Another Publicity Stunt – This Time It’s An Obama Press Conference

Like a flip-flopping fish on a Martha’s Vineyard dock Barack Obama is desperately attempting to stay politically alive with publicity stunt after publicity stunt. We’ve had speech after speech, including one from the ‘ignore-the-recession-let’s-redecorate’ Oval Office. But all the energetic histrionics by Obama won’t help him get back in swim trim. The November cooks are coming to fry that fish.

Obama decided to face questions on this last day of Ramadan because he wanted to bamboozle Americans into believing he cares about the economy and ‘jobs, jobs, jobs’. But it’s too late and too little.

The likely topic today will be tomorrow’s canceled (or is it just postponed?) Koran bar-b-que and all sorts of Muslim related issues. [We’ll discuss the Koran bar-b-que and the Mosque of Doom tomorrow.]

We would like someone from Big Media to ask Obama why he does not donate his tens of millions of campaign dollars to desperate Dimocrats facing doom this November. We’d like Big Media to ask Obama “Have you seen your ‘army’ of campaign workers lately?

“What happened to Barack Obama’s once vaunted political machine? The outfit that put upwards of 8 million volunteers on the street in 2008 — known as Organizing for America — is a ghost of its former self. Its staff has shrunk from 6,000 to 300, and its donors are depressed: receipts are a fraction of what they were in 2008. Virtually no one in politics believes it will turn many contests this fall. “There’s no chance that OFA is going to have the slightest impact on the midterms,” says Charlie Cook, who tracks congressional races.”

We hope Big Media has some pity on Obama Dimocrats who were fooled by Obama into thinking he would save them with vast resources and many volunteers. Will someone ask Obama why he is only helping himself and not his goofy fans in congress?

“So earlier this year, when the White House gave OFA a whopping $30 million — more than half of the party’s entire budget for 2010 — senior Democrats suspected a hidden agenda. Several tell Time that OFA boss David Plouffe, who ran Obama’s 2008 campaign, is using the cash to rebuild an army for 2012 under the cover of boosting turnout in 2010. OFA is putting staff into such states as Virginia, North Carolina and Arizona, which have few close statewide races this fall but which are all prime targets in an Obama re-election campaign. “This is totally about 2012,” Cook says.”

Today’s press conference publicity stunt won’t save Obama Dimocrats. They don’t deserve saving. The’re invited to be the dinner at the November fish fry the voters are having.

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331 thoughts on “Another Publicity Stunt – This Time It’s An Obama Press Conference

  1. The publicity stunt has started. Obama is prattling, as expected, about his dead schemes on the economy in the opening statement.

  2. big scandal brewing, i wonder who else is going to get caught

    and it gets worse

    Another CBC member caught giving scholarship money to family

    Sanford Bishop steered scholarships to family

    Rep. Sanford Bishop (D-Ga.) awarded three scholarships from the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation to his stepdaughter and wife’s niece between 2003 and 2005, according to records from the non-profit group.

    Bishop is the second Democrat found to have funneled Congressional Black Caucus Foundation scholarship funds to relatives, threatening to turn the program into a larger political problem for the party. Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas) recently paid back $31,000 to the foundation for scholarships that she improperly awarded to various relatives and children of a top staffer.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/41953.html#ixzz0z8e4tNVW

    …..i think i see a pattern.

  3. admin,

    I am listening to the bullsh***er in chief.

    Disgusting.

    BTW, I would like to send you a couple of articles about local people involved with the WTC disaster, if you don’t mind.

  4. moononpluto,

    They are un-friggin-believable.

    But you know that pointing this out is RACIST, right?

    BTW, I can’t follow this idiot at all! He is blundering about, floundering in his responses, in desperate search of a cogent thought.

  5. After that first long-winded “answer”, the second question is where there is room for discussion with Republicans? How stupid is this reporter to ask such a question (especially in light of the fact that Obama just answered that question in his first long-winded answer)?

    Of course, she is not stupid, she is giving Obama exactly what he wants so that in future press conferences she gets to ask another “question” and thereby help her career.

  6. “she is giving Obama exactly what he wants so that in future press conferences she gets to ask another “question” and thereby help her career.”

    bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha.

    I see you know a reporter or two.

  7. Chip Reid of NBC asks why Obama waited so long to bring about his latest economic program and why “stimulus” has been banned when everyone knows he is proposing a second stimulus that has no chance of passing in this election season.

    Prepare for another long-winded answer.

  8. It’s so clear he does not have a clue about what he is talking about.

    BTW, he sure likes inserting trite phrases which he’s no doubted committed to memory thinking they reflect his identification with regular Americans.

    “Johhnny-come-lately?”

    He needs to get a more up-to-date American Idioms pocket book.

  9. Hans Nichols of Bloomberg asks about why Elizabeth Warren has not been nominated yet. Prepare for another long-winded answer.

  10. Unfortunately, I’m now surrounded by them I had no idea how shallow many of them are.

    I still don’t understand WTF he’s saying. He reminds me of a first year teacher charged with transmitting curriculum he is unfamiliar with to a bunch of middle-schoolers who are equally clueless but don’t know yet that he’s as ignorant as they are.

    It’s starting to dawn on them, though. He’s losing their attention. Teaching has immediate consequences, like insurrection in the classroom.

    Unfortunately, the same isn’t true of politics.

  11. Chuck Todd, also of NBC, asks “How do you change Washington?” Chuck thinks he is clever with a question sure to please Obama, Obama Hopium Guzzlers, and Obama opponents – because the question can be viewed as snarky and/or a soft ball to Obama. Todd is wrong. The question is a dud.

    Prepare for another Obama whinefest.

  12. Obama says he has had a “lot of big fights” which makes changing Washington difficult. Isn’t that what he used to mock Hillary about?

  13. Chuck Todd.

    Simnpole question from a sinpleton.

    How do you change Washington?

    WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This answer should take up the rest of the minimal time the emperor has haughtily allotted his subjects. If he can string it out long enough he may not have to attempt another stupid meaningless answer.

    Again, just like a first year teacher trying to get through a 45 minute class unscathed.

  14. Isn’t this just his second press conference? No wonder his handlers don’t let him off the teleprompter and into public often.

    The silences between words is getting longer.

  15. Basil9, Obama has been hanging out with Joe Biden too long so therefore long-winded answers Obama has always liked, have become even more long-winded. Also, it’s run the clock strategy.

  16. F***!!!!!

    Why are Muslims being picked on?

    What about, why are Americans being picked on?

    And now he’s praising BUSH????????????

  17. Al Qaeda is our enemy and has killed more Muslims than anyone else on earth.

    Ooooooooooo,

    At least his puppeteers know he’s in deep sh!t.

    “I rely on my Christian faith in my job.”

    Muslims aren’t going to like that.

    Ummmm …..ummm……

  18. He’s going into crescendo mode in the mistaken belief that loudly answering a question in a confusing and meaningless way somehow makes it less absurd.

    Luckily, it’s too early to start a BO drinking game. I’d be drunk already.

  19. Jake Tapper, asks about whether it was smart to have Secretary of Defense Gates telephone the Florida Koran burner. There is also a question about why Dimocrats are running away from health care in the elections.

  20. Let me repeat what I said a couple of days ago for you (stupid unconprehending backwards Americans).

    Burning a religious book is contrary to what this nations stands for? What about flags?

    I’m COC. We’re seeing riots in Afghanistan. We have an obligation to send a clear message that this behavior puts our troops in harms way and encourages Al Qaeda.

    He really prepped on the answer to that, which I now realize was a planted question.

  21. Obama does not answer the question about Gates and the pastor. Instead there is a long-winded answer about why burning Korans is bad. On health care Obama insists his scam “bends the cost curve”. What he does not mention is the cost curve bends up.

  22. Seems like the reporters were told when and in which order to ask questions based on the POTUS preparation level.

    His stuttering has decreased.

  23. You guys better appreciate how we are destroying our eyes and ears this Friday morning watching Obama – so you don’t have to. 🙂

    This is very painful work.

  24. Uh-oh. Tapper cross-questioned him. Potus doesn’t like that. He didn’t practice for that question. Here we go round the mulberry bush again.

    That wasn’t supposed to be on the test.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

  25. Jake jabs Obama by stating that Dimocrats are running away from health care. Obama says Dimocrats will do what they have to do.

  26. “Jake Tapper points out that the cost curve is going up. Obama says he has not read that report.”

    Told ya!

    Someone’s gonna get a face full of presidential petulance! You said I didn’t have to study that part, D@mn it!

    Oh no! He got his start as a community organizer working in the shadows of the Chicago steel plants!

    Break out the violins. What was that question again?

  27. Next question is from “urban radio” and it is about funds for discrimination cases and fighting poverty.

    Obama will no doubt bamboozle this answer. Obama’s real answer to anti-poverty is “get yourself a Rezko”.

  28. Next question is on how Obama can lecture Karzai about corruption when so many of the corrupt work for the U.S. There is also a question from the same reporter on pressuring Netanyahu on Israeli settlements.

    Obama starts with a long-winded answer on Afghanistan’s history.

  29. Ann Compton asks what is says about the American justice system when the 9/11 plotters have still not been tried in courts. Also, what about Guantanamo? Will it be open another year?

    Obama says it’s hard, really hard work.

  30. puma-sf

    Hahahahaha.

    I’ve been going back and forth between here and the hotair open thread. He’s been babbling for over an hour now and i can’t remember a single thing he said except “johnny-come-lately.” And I don’t know what the heck he was referring to.

  31. This type of amateur hour public commentary is what I have to try and make sense of every week at town board meetings across the regions. But at least I can eventually chisel out the main topics. I’d be hard-pressed to write anything readable about this presser.

    He is so friggin’ incompetent and inarticulate and just plain stupid.

  32. Ed Henry of CNN – tomorrow is the 9th anniversary of the World Trade Center attacks – where’s Bin Laden? Ed Henry quotes Obama about how he would get Bin Laden but two years in, no Bin Laden. Obama says ‘that ol Bin Laden is a smart one and is hiding in caves’ – it’s hard work, real hard work.

  33. What about killing Bin Laden someone asks. Isn’t it a failure. You said you were going to run a smarter war on terror than Bush and yet you can’t catch him and you don’t know where he is.

    Now THAT was a real question.

    BO said Bin Laden is “deep underground.”

    He’s reading too many spy novels.

    The reporter asks are Americans going to face another nine years of terror threats.

    “It’s a reality in today’s world there will be threats out there.” It’s like he doesn’t give a sh!t.

  34. Wendell Goler of Fox News, finally gets to the Mosque of Doom and the Koran bar-b-que. Goler asks Obama about the wisdom of the Mosque of Doom.

    Prepare for a long-winded answer.

  35. What kind of an answer is that on Bin Laden?

    Sigh…and to think they pre-empted the CBS fall previews to show this hogwash.

    A more undignified, unprepared, unpatriotic potus I have never seen.

  36. Puma-sf,

    I’m faint from hunger.

    “We are tougher than them. We are going to have this problem for a long time to come but ti dopesn’t have to dminate our foreign policy.”

    WTF??????????

    Wisdom of building mosque at GZ? The Florida Pastor’s threat put American lives at risk????????? What about the Fanatics?

    And Squat says when people go out of their way to be provocative it makes it more difficult? What about provocation from Rauf?

    “People can practice religious freedom and can build a mosque.”.

    How about the freedom to burn books and flags?

  37. Obama repeats the religious tolerance argument but does not address the “wisdom” question. He does add that “we need all the allies we can get” so maybe his answer is that appeasement is the answer and we need to do whatever Muslims are happy about.

    What Obama refuses to answer is how the Mosque of Doom helps to bridge differences when the builders are insisting their offer be taken or else.

  38. basil9: I’m feeling the same way. I keep staring at the dog…hoping she’ll need to go outside. She can’t take it either. Her paws are covering her ears.

    Let me be clear. I will raise my voice so you can better understand…

    Oh thank gawd.

  39. It’s a handful of a tiny minority of people who have killed more Muslims than anyone else.

    There he goes defending Muslims again. And not other Americans.

    “I’ve got Muslims fighting in Afghanistan.” I’ve???? I’ve?????

    Crescendo. He gets impassioned when defending anyone except regular Americans. Disgusting. I will never forget the way he threw that rose on the 911 memorial the first year he was POTUS.

  40. We’ve written repeatedly about how Republicans should use what Obama did to Hillary during the primaries to fight Obama. We’ve advised that every time the “racist” charge is used against Republicans they respond by noting how Obama thugs used “racist” against Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and Hillary supporters.

    Meg Whitman in California shows how it’s done – but she uses Bill Clinton against Jerry Brown!

    Wise up Sean Hannity. Smart conservatives/Republicans (Michelle Malkin and Andrew Breitbart among others) are learning and keeping hands off Hillary. They know the target should always be Barack Obama.

  41. admin
    September 10th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    You guys better appreciate how we are destroying our eyes and ears this Friday morning watching Obama – so you don’t have to.

    This is very painful work

    It’s appreciated. I cannot get myself to watch him, and even reading his words seems a worthless endeavor.

    I guess one can look at it two different ways. They can be disgusted with his persona, as I am, or they can look at his speeches as a comedy sketch, and have a good laugh (or two, or three, or four), at the total idiocy of it all.

  42. I slept late today, thankgoodness! I was spared a news conference by Obama apparently!

    Just on Fox, the Afganie’s have killed one of their own while protesting the Koran burning….well if you look at the bright side of that…we’ve saved one bullet! Maybe they will continue to get so upset they will kill each other off.

    Now Pastor Jones wants to speak to the Mosque Imam before he will stop the “Koran Burning”.

    Obama can’t even handle this negotiation, much less the century old Palestinian/Israel one.

  43. This is new….

    US Chamber begins attack ads against Boxer

    The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is following up its endorsement of Republican Senate candidate Carly Fiorina with attack ads against Democratic incumbent Barbara Boxer.

    The business group’s TV ad campaign could help Fiorina dull the huge financial edge that Boxer had going into the general election. Fiorina lagged Boxer 12-to-1 in fundraising earlier this summer.

    http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9I51QS00.htm

  44. This is what I don’t get…Obama says this “Koran burning” is putting our troops at risk…exactly how is this. Don’t we still have bullets, hellfire missiles and drones??? We can’t put them on high alert over there or what? I think what they are worried about is Iran, sending a missile on our troops,but they don’t want to say that because Obama has let them get into a position to let that happen. He should of let Israel wipe them off the map and so should have Bush, but they did not want to because they have companies over there making money…they come first before the people of America!

  45. mj,

    I didn’t mean holy books had more Constitutional protection, or other legal protection. But maybe they should. 😉

  46. The cynical side of me says this is typical meme obama doing a news conference to take the attention away from all the praise and news cycles focused on Hillary in the last few days.

  47. I have to say that having to put with the “lightbringer” for two more years is going to turn me into a RWN. Now we have more Koran burners across American, LOL! This stupid ass can’t even control his own country, much less those crazies in the middle east. His inability to handle the situation in Florida tells you how his policies really work.

    Hillary needs to talk to the Florida preacher and the rest of them…she’d get it straighten out in less than 15 minutes…I’d lay odds on it and thats why Odumbo hasn’t asked her.

  48. Janh, You got that right, LOL! He is so jealous of her its not funny! She actually speaks in complete sentences and doesn’t need a teleprompter, although I’ve noticed they keep putting one in front of her, but I don’t think she uses it….its just to make Odumber look better.

  49. turndown, I don’t consider the Koran a “Holy Book”, a historical book “yes”. There is no holiness in that book.

  50. JanH, we’ve thought about why the press conference was held today. It is possible that Axelrod and the rest of the “communications” team figured that Obama was going to somehow screw things up as usual so they scheduled it for a Friday.

    Also, they must have known that the press conference would get minimal attention because 9/11 is tomorrow. So… they scheduled the press conference for today knowing it would not get much attention and that if Obama made a typical blunder – by tomorrow it would go away in the wake of the 9/11 protests about the Mosque of Doom.

    If they wanted to get attention they would have scheduled the presser for Monday, after the weekend’s events, and therefore get Obama a “bounce” in the polls. That they decided to hold the presser today appears to be a sop to Big Media and a way to avoid attention.

    Then again this reeks of desperation and they might have just made another blunder on the scheduling.

  51. Admin, I’m not sure I like that ad against Jerry Brown…I think it reminds the leftie’s how much they hate the Clintons. Why was Bill going off on Brown? He was President wasn’t he at the time. Or is this a cut and paste scenario???
    I guess its effective in keeping us democrats split…oh I don’t know…I found it irritating and wondered if Bill did this….maybe thats why there is so much animosity between the yellow dogs and the blue dogs…please school me on this.

  52. admin,

    the conference today just boggles the mind, doesn’t it? He did seem rather desperate at times but for the life of me, I couldn’t figure out what he gained by this.

    And are the media slaves still enthralled by his “spoken word?” Are they still desperate to change things around for him so he can soar once more?

  53. Confloyd, the video is from the debate between then candidate for president Bill Clinton versus the last remaining opponent Jerry Brown in 1992. Bill Clinton destroyed Jerry Brown in that debate. The excerpt is only part of the dismemberment of Brown – there are other segments which are worse (Bill crushed Brown on the flat tax Brown was proposing).

    What Whitman does with the ad is she has Bill Clinton call Jerry Brown a liar (which he is, as well as a blowhard). Whitman also effectively notes how Jerry Brown is not who he says he is (ergo the Proposition 13 tax cut segment), questions Jerry Brown’s honesty and effectiveness, without saying so herself.

    At the time of that debate, Jerry Brown had attacked Hillary as dishonest and Bill smashed Jerry Brown telling Brown he was not fit to shine Hillary’s shoes and that Brown should be ashamed of himself.

    As to your question about the effect on Democrats, the ad is effective here as well. This is an attack on Brown’s character and honesty. While some Democrats may not be happy with what Meg Whitman says, via Bill Clinton, the damage is done in that here is the most popular of Democrats going after Jerry Brown on how he ran the state of California when he was governor. Brown is running on his record as governor previously and this is a stab right at the heart of his campaign message. No doubt Whitman will repeat this when she debates Brown.

    BTW, there is more, a lot more of Bill versus Jerry Brown that can be deployed in more ads.

  54. Megan Kelly is reliving 9/ll today on Fox. Her question how has America changed since 9/11? I would love to tell her that since we’ve hired Obama, we are now apologizing to the muslims for their running 4 planes into our buildings. Yep our Apologizer-in-Chief really knows how to handle muslims, doesn’t he???

  55. My deepest and most sincere gratitude to all of you who were brave enough to endure the sensory assault, I have not listened to a bambi speech since the one on race.

  56. Admin: THANKs for clarifying. I wasn’t interested in politics at that time as I was running a huge horse stable and PRCA rodeo arena, along with a huge saddle club, and was working full-time as an xray tech. I was kinda busy, that why I depended on my mom on who to vote for. Sorry to say I voted for Perot that year. My Mom voted for her Bill Clinton…she loved him!

    Now that you clarified the video….its a kick ass video and actually helps Hillary, I think!

  57. The National Day of Service thing was proposed several years ago In New York. A different name may have been used. Would try and dig it up, but fear I’d only find praise for waffles.

  58. Anybody seen the pics of Michelle playing football in New Orleans with a kids football team??? It’s over at Hillbuzz. I have to say I agree with the boyz, they were impressed, they said, ” this is the first time in my entire life I’ve been proud of Michelle Obama”. LOL!

  59. massbible.org/burn-one-give-two

    As people of the Book, we are joined to Islam and Judaism in a special way and as an organization that has sought to put that Book into people’s hands for 201 years, we cannot stand idly by while the sacred text of a sister religion is burned as our beloved Bibles once were.

    Lest the culture believe that Rev. Jones’ position represents that of all Christians, MassBible is prepared to take a counter action. For 201 years we have given the Bible to those without access. In response to Rev. Jones despicable act, we are prepared to give two Qur’ans for every one that Rev. Jones burns.

    They will go to prisons, to hospitals, to shelters, or to any place where there are Muslims without access to their sacred text. This in no way diminishes our belief in the Bible as the Word of God. On the contrary, it is acting on the command within its pages to love our neighbors as ourselves (Lev. 19:18) and to do unto others as we would have done unto us. (Matt. 7:12).

  60. The publicity genius strikes again:

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Koran-Burning-Pastor-Terry-Jones-Gives-Two-Hour-Ultimatum-To-New-York-Imam-Over-Ground-Zero-Mosque/Article/201009215724870?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15724870_Koran-Burning_Pastor_Terry_Jones_Gives_Two-Hour_Ultimatum_To_New_York_Imam_Over_Ground_Zero_Mosque

    The pastor at the centre of the Koran-burning row has given a New York imam two hours to contact him about plans to build an Islamic centre near Ground Zero.

    Pastor Terry Jones and his colleague Pastor K A Paul read out two telephone numbers live on television and urged the Imam to contact them as soon as possible.

    They did not say what would happen if he failed to get in touch by the time the deadline expires just after 8.30 tonight.

    Sky News’ US correspondent Robert Nisbet, who was at the news conference, said: “This is absolutely extraordinary.

    “It appears the pastor has reconsidered his earlier deal over the New York mosque.”

    He added: “Worryingly, none of the US cable networks showed the press conference – so imam Rauf may not have seen it!”

  61. I used to work in the prisons….the prisoners have been radicalized by the Koran…sending more Koran’s to the prisons is exactly what the tree huggers need to do…it shows how naive they really are. Al Queda actually is trying to use the prison system for that purpose.

    I have always heard my entire life that there really are people that are so damn smart they are actually stupid….this is where I put the elitist left. In the real world, we normal folks know the Koran has NO PLACE in prison…so they can blame whitey more than they do now. Gimme a break!

  62. Admin: How much you want to bet me that Rev. Jones has been receiving more Korans daily than he can handle? I bet they are flowing like crazy.

  63. You are 100% correct Confloyd. Early inmy career I interned at the PD office, and I saw first hand what was taking place there. I decided against criminally practice thankfully, and became an ambulance chaser instead:)

  64. lorac: Jack Bogel is a major player in the mutual fund business(Vanguard) and is widely viewed as the conscience of Wall Street–more so than Buffet. Here is an interview in which he touches on how speculation by Wall Street harms society, why we are headed for a collapse if the right moves are not made and how to allocate an investment portfolio in relation to age and market volatility–which you mentioned yesterday. As you can see he favors stocks and bonds, does not like gold and despises hedging (short selling etc) which adds no value and is as he puts it a waste of the nations resources. The grandest speculator of them all of course is Obama’s godfather George Soros–another destroyer of worlds. Thus, it is hardly surprising that Obama’s so called financial reform bill did nothing of substance to address the issue.

    http://www.investmentu.com/2010/May/jack-bogle-vanguard-interview.html

  65. To those who are outraged about Koran burning, Bible burning, flag burning, or burning currency:

    Those are symbols. If you believe in the true power behind the symbol, you have nothing to fear.

    If you trust that your country is so wonderful, then the burning its currency or flag by anyone should show you the strength of your country’s values.

    If your god is all powerful, how can the silly actions of those outside your religion have any affect on your god or your religious beliefs? Their backwards thinking should reinforce your opinion of them.

  66. I fear that there are a lot of people who would like nothing more than to see violence in the streets. No way in hell the imam could not foresee opposition to his crock of shit. Now he tells let us do what we want or else feel the consequences.
    Waffles long time associate, ayers, said they didn’t do enough back in their heyday. Wright did nothing but fuel hate. Countless disenfranchised angry prisoners indoctrinated into radical islam during incarceration.

    Three years of relentless race baiting from the bambi camp.
    I hope nothing happens tomorrow. It just seems like we are on top of a potential powder keg.

  67. A cousin and one of the veterans of Grenada blogged: I fought for the right to burn a Flag or Bible or Koran in this country. No one will take that right from me, Tomorrow I choose to burn a Koran so if you want to be there i will let you know what time. If your a Muslim bring your Fire Extinguisher but make sure it is small enough to fit up your ass.
    ____________________________________
    I am beginning to wonder if my family is related to Gov Chrs Christie as we certainly do not mince words. Oh, and about the size of the fire extinguisher, he is not kidding.

  68. SHUCKING CORN

    David Corn outlines why Dems may just survive after all this November…and how Obama’s regaining his stride.

    Seriously. That’s what he’s writing.

    politicsdaily.com/2010/09/10/campaign-2010-democrats-calm-down-really/

    Quote:

    Meanwhile, Obama on Wednesday delivered a rock-’em/sock-’em speech outside Cleveland that demonstrated he can still come across as a decisive fighter. And Democrats could dare to hope: If Obama keeps slugging, if the polls are close, maybe, just maybe, we’ll dodge a bullet, sidestep the falling piano, weather the storm, and manage to retain control of the House and Senate (albeit with small majorities).

  69. Thanks all of you for live blogging the speech. Thank goodness, I was not here to hear it in person as I likely would have puked.

    We let the dogs out, woof, WOOF!!!

  70. turndownobama
    September 10th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
    massbible.org/burn-one-give-two

    As people of the Book, we are joined to Islam and Judaism in a special way and as an organization that has sought to put that Book into people’s hands for 201 years, we cannot stand idly by while the sacred text of a sister religion is burned as our beloved Bibles once were.

    Lest the culture believe that Rev. Jones’ position represents that of all Christians, MassBible is prepared to take a counter action. For 201 years we have given the Bible to those without access. In response to Rev. Jones despicable act, we are prepared to give two Qur’ans for every one that Rev. Jones burns.

    They will go to prisons, to hospitals, to shelters, or to any place where there are Muslims without access to their sacred text. This in no way diminishes our belief in the Bible as the Word of God. On the contrary, it is acting on the command within its pages to love our neighbors as ourselves (Lev. 19:18) and to do unto others as we would have done unto us. (Matt. 7:12).

    This is the typical idiocy that comes from people who have not studied Islam. Islam is NOT a sister religion of Christianity. Whoever says this is an idiot!!!

  71. rgb44hrc
    September 10th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    To those who are outraged about Koran burning, Bible burning, flag burning, or burning currency:

    Those are symbols. If you believe in the true power behind the symbol, you have nothing to fear.

    ===============

    And even more so about the ‘symbol’ of a ‘mosque’ ‘near’ ‘ground zero.’ These are all symbols and should not matter.

    So settle for the swimming pool.

  72. http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2010/09/10/news/photos_stories/ground_zero_map090251.jpg

    from http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/grim_map_that_widens_zero_oO8KsXYbwMogueIyoPfxCP

    If that Imam is a decent person (if not a God man) he would move the location. He may have started it with a good intention but given what has become of it, he should move.

    Here’s the chilling proof that Ground Zero stretches well beyond the boundaries of the World Trade Center site, and reaches close to the proposed mosque and community center.

    A map compiled by firefighters who sifted through the wreckage of lower Manhattan in the seven months after the attacks shows the gruesome discovery of human remains stretched as far as 1,135 feet from the middle of the trade center — including remains found just a block from the mosque site.

    The map was obtained by The Post from sources after the Fire Department did not respond to requests to review it. It shows that remains were found just 348 feet to the south of the mosque site at 45 Park Place, on top of the massive post-office building that stretches along Barclay Street, from Church Street to West Broadway.

  73. September 10, 2010

    Bill Clinton will robocall for Rangel

    Bill Clinton, who has been swinging into action in earnest for embattled congressional Democrats around his home state of New York, is going to lend a hand to Rep. Charlie Rangel by way of a robocall, his aides confirm.

    A spokesman for the former president said he will record a call of support for Rangel that will be used at some point in the next three days before the primary.

    Clinton is a valuable surrogate for Rangel in NY-15, a district where the former president also has his post-White House office.

    The relationship between Rangel and the Clintons has been a bit rough since the 2008 presidential race ended (the congressman suggested to other members of the NY delegation on a conference call that it was time for the divisions in the party to heal and move toward Barack Obama when she hadn’t yet ended her race) but the congressman did a lot of stumping and surrogating for Hillary Clinton, and was a major backer of hers in 2000 when she moved to the state.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/maggiehaberman/0910/Bill_Clinton_will_robocall_for_Rangel_.html

  74. Clinton gets new head scribe

    Posted By Josh Rogin
    Friday, September 10, 2010

    A State Department official confirmed to The Cable that Josh Daniel has begun work as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s new director of speechwriting.

    Daniel has been working as a senior advocacy officer at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in Seattle, where he was in charge of writing Bill and Melinda’s speeches. He also apparently drove cross country before taking up his new post in Foggy Bottom this week. From 1999 to 2003, he was managing editor at Slate Magazine, where he wrote extensively about the entertainment industry.

    He has also worked as managing editor for Microsoft’s sidewalk.com, a website devoted to Houston food and arts culture, and as an editor for the Texas Monthly and the Houston Press.

    He replaces Lissa Muscatine, who left State in July after 18 months as chief speechwriter. Muscatine had decades of experience working for Clinton, including as her speechwriter when she was First Lady. Muscatine had been managing four, full-time speechwriters and two part-time employees, who also write for other officials.

    Daniel’s shop is located inside the Policy Planning Staff but maintains its own independence within that structure. This is the model that Bill Woodward, speechwriter for former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, initiated when he took speechwriting out of the Public Affairs Bureau.

    http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/09/10/clinton_gets_new_head_scribe

  75. Admin-
    We would like someone from Big Media to ask Obama why he does not donate his tens of millions of campaign dollars to desperate Dimocrats facing doom this November. We’d like Big Media to ask Obama “Have you seen your ‘army’ of campaign workers lately?
    ——

    What campaign money?
    Perhaps the earnings that MO spent to rent out a huge portion of one of the most expensive hotels in Spain for all her bros and girlfriends?
    Perhaps it’s used for endless gulf fees or endless Bama vacations?

    I hope all those turncoat delegates that were promised DNC financial support in their reelection if they would abandon Hillary in Denver, and carry Barry over the finish line of the primary, THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT HOW THEY SOLD THEIR SOLE TO THE DEVIL, AND NOW BE STANDING IN THE UNEMPLOYMENT COME NOVEMBER.

    Vote the traitors out!!!

    Vote the entire congress that went along with Nasty and Reid, out!

    Vote the dumb-ass Rethugs that didn’t do anything productive in Congress for the past decade, out!

    Bring in the Cleaners, the American voters that have had enough of all the bs, cheating, lies and spending of our hard EARNED tax dollars.

  76. pm317
    September 10th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    ground_zero_map090251.jpg

    If that Imam is a decent person (if not a God man) he would move the location. He may have started it with a good intention but given what has become of it, he should move.

    ——
    We wouldn’t even be talking about this stinking mosque/WMCA for muslin’s if we had a President with a backbone.

    I’m sick of being PC, sick of bowing to radical nations and even more sick of people that expect others to feel sorry if they offend every offender.

    Kick ‘um where it hurts and tell them to build somewhere else or someone will burn it down.

  77. JanH
    September 10th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
    Whenever I think of book burning, I think of
    Kristallnacht. It started with books being burned and look where it ended.
    ________________________________________

    What I heard in that video was “Those (Germans, etc) who stood silent and witnessed were also willing participants.” From that I take that IF we are silent, we particiapte of our own free will in the atrocities that are occurring daily toward our country and its citizenry. We must not be silent.
    “If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace”. This is a quote from Thomas Paine; and similar words come from my mouth like water rushing from a raised lock in a dam almost daily.

  78. JanH
    September 10th, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    Whenever I think of book burning, I think of
    Kristallnacht. It started with books being burned and look where it ended.

    ==================

    Bless you, Jan.

  79. nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/grim_map_that_widens_zero_oO8KsXYbwMogueIyoPfxCP

    remains found just a block from the mosque [sic] site.
    [….]
    The map was obtained by The Post from sources after the Fire Department did not respond to requests to review it.

    =================

    They’ve already got serious roof damage at the Cordoba center site from airplane parts. Stretching the distance from the actual WTC site by one block instead of two, just shows the Post is willing to strecth the language to make a headline.

    Good for the firefighters who made the map, refusing to cooperate with the Post.

  80. Jan H, I wonder where Hillary’s personal speech writer is going??? I wonder why the change? I guess he wants to control her speeches…I wonder when Hillary said in that foreign country about the lawsuit against Arizona, wasn’t that in July???
    It bugs that no one is saying why this woman is leaving.

    We can’t set idley by and let the muslims take over this country either…it works both ways.

  81. rickya
    September 10th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
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    I agree. There is a definite connection between Judaism and Christianity. As for Islam, it’s based on a deranged man named Mohammed who used the other religions of “the Book” to further his own perverse agenda of personal power.

  82. Shadowfax, We need a strong Potus, not a Apologizer in Chief.
    Hillary sure doesn’t fit in to that category…she would have already given Iran a taste of American ingenuity in the form of a few HellFire missiles right in the middle of Tehran.

  83. turndown,

    This is from Redstate

    Authorities in New York have discovered that the four alleged terrorists arrested last week while planning to blow up a synagogue and shoot down a U.S. military plane were all converted to Islam while in prison. The four were attendees at a Newburgh, NY, mosque, where Imam Salahuddin Muhammad is the spiritual leader. Muhammad also serves as a Muslim prison chaplain.
    ——————-

    Lets not help Al Queda by giving more Koran’s to the prisoners here in America…its very easy to do by offering protection, then they radicalize them….

  84. I agree with nobama and rickya!

    The Koran is NO Holy Book, it is a historical book, filled with hate and violence!

  85. JanH
    September 10th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
    Whenever I think of book burning, I think of
    Kristallnacht. It started with books being burned and look where it ended.

    Kristallnacht- German pogrom of 1938

    There’s a big difference between this and the burning of the Quran – one is about burning of bookS and the other the burning of copies of a book.

    Question: Would you object to burning a book that advocates the murder of all Muslims?

  86. ShortTermer
    September 10th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
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    Ha! The bigger the fire extinguisher, the better!

  87. confloyd
    September 10th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
    here is a good story about the Koran burning….its from Red State.

    the authors says “Christians burn books, Muslims burn people”

    Muslims burn books too.

  88. O.M.G!
    This is tooooooooo funny!
    A report on the reporters covering the crazed potential K-burner as it slowly dawns on them they’ve been punked!

    “Are you just toying with us to get attention?” asked a sweaty woman in a suit, crouching near the hot grass to keep out of the shot of multiple cameras over her head…

    “Why did you give this two-hour window?” came a shout from another side of the scrum.

    “So will you say you’re going to burn a Koran anytime you want press coverage?” snapped a reporter with a German accent…

    “You’re just using us! We should all leave!” someone yelled from deep in the media pack.

    Silence – for a moment. “Yeah! Let’s all leave!”

    Jones’s response: “Fine, we’re not press hungry, go!”

    But no one moved, until Jones turned and shuffled back to the church.

  89. 😳

    Here’s the entire story, from hotair via the WP.

    Media to Terry Jones: You used us!

    By Michelle Boorstein
    Gainesville, Fla. — With the world on standby for possible violent rioting over a proposed Koran-burning here, the most fraught moment of the day Friday involved church representatives and a huge, sweaty, frustrated media corps.

    Reporters from around the world, some of whom had been waiting on the large open lawn of the Dove World Outreach Center in intense heat and humidity for days, began yelling at youth pastor Luke Jones and an evangelist who has been working with the church after the two men gave a series of unclear comments about what would or wouldn’t happen Saturday– “International Burn the Koran Day”.

    The appearances by K.A. Paul and Jones – son of the Rev. Terry Jones – just after 3:30 p.m. were the latest in a string of unexpected appearances church representatives made throughout the day. Terry Jones and Paul emerged shortly after 1 p.m. to say they were giving New York Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf two hours to agree to call off plans for a controversial Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero.

    Two hours passed. Paul came out of the warehouse-like church, followed by Jones, 29. The men gave no clear answer to questions about whether the Koran-burning was off permanently, what the New York City project had to do with it, and whether there were behind-the-scenes talks going on that could change things.

    “We’re not going to tell you what’s going on!” Jones finally yelled to a crowd of nearly 100 journalists and a few onlookers.

    After having just had a similar, frustrating exchange with Paul, who had stood with Jones at the 1 p.m. news conference to issue the ultimatum, the hot and cranky media horde had had enough.

    “Are you just toying with us to get attention?” asked a sweaty woman in a suit, crouching to keep out of the shot of multiple cameras over her head.

    The crowd groaned.

    “Why did you give this two-hour window?” came a shout from another side of the scrum.

    “So will you say you’re going to burn a Koran anytime you want press coverage?” snapped a reporter with a German accent.

    “We’re negotiating,” said Jones, his maroon T-shirt soaked through with sweat — but he refused to say what they were negotiating or with whom. And he kept repeating a tantalizingly ambiguous refrain: There will be no Koran-burning at 6 p.m. Saturday night.

    “You’re just using us! We should all leave!” someone yelled from deep in the media pack.

    Silence – for a moment. “Yeah! Let’s all leave!”

    Jones’s response: “Fine, we’re not press hungry, go!”

    But no one moved, until Jones turned and shuffled back to the church.

    Clusters of police officers stood beneath a tree. “We know what you all know,” said Cpl. Tscharna Senn, spokeswoman for the Gainesville police department, gesturing to the weary pack.

    The media throng silently dispersed — some back under the trees, where flies (maybe seeking shade?) swarmed, or for the lucky, to air-conditioned satellite trucks or cars. The only sound was a small group of college-age protesters that had gathered across the street in the otherwise quiet neighborhood.

    “When our Muslim brothers are under attack, what do we do? Fight back!” came the chant.

    Left standing in the middle of the field were two cameramen.

    “See, if everyone leaves except for a few people, something could happen,” said one.

    The other nodded, his face drenched with sweat

  90. Question: Would you object to burning a book that advocates the murder of all Muslims?

    ————

    I am opposed to any and all violent actions against any and all religions. I know that sounds pollyanna. Where I draw the line is the violence Muslims commit against women. At the same time the do not generalize where Muslims are concerned. There are good and evil. I too do not see the Koran (sp?) as a holy book but burning it to raise awareness will just make things that much worse.

  91. rickya,
    How about those muslims in africa that locked all those Christians in their church and set it on fire and burned the whole bunch of them, yet our CIC think we should honor their Holy Book….something is wrong with this picture!

  92. confloyd
    September 10th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
    =====================================

    If Muslims practiced what they preach, then things just might be a little different for them here. WE are supposed to not remember the WTC massacre, the treatment of the Christians in Iraq (who pre-date the Muslims, by the way), the ill treatment of the Christians in Pakistan, the harassment of Christians and Hindus in Malaysia, the attacks on Christians in Indonesia, the land of “moderate” Islam. We must also not remember how Islam had almost destroyed the country of Lebanon, how a Muslim Turk tried to kill Pope John Paul II, the downing of the plane in Lockerbie, the killing of all those people in a school in southern Russia, including the women and children. We should never mention how Mohammed bedded (raped) a little girl. That right there should be enough to cause people to question the legitimacy of his holiness. The Catholic clergy is attacked for being child molesters, yet Mohammed raped a little girl, and nothing is mentioned about that, and nothing is mentioned about how the overwhelming majority of Catholic priests are not sexual predators. Islam should not be treated any more special than any other religion. People need to stand against that tyrannical “religion” because Islam today is the same Islam from Muhammed’s time. While the world has progressed, Islam has remained locked in its barbaric history.

  93. Newburgh, NY is a rundown sh•thole, and that’s a shame, because I could picture it as being a pretty nice place with all of its historic buildings.

  94. I know that flags, the bible, the Torah have all been burned by terrorists et al. But how does burning the Koran make things any better. How does it show that we are any better civilized than they are? I would like to think that we can fight the good fight without resorting to their tactics.

  95. …thanks to all of you for the recap of the snoozefest…you must have alot of patience and endurance…

    …the only thing O is accomplishing is appearing less and less presidential everyday…I have to laugh when i hear all the ‘leftie’ pundits – corn, matthews, etc get all excited bec they think O is “back” and he is “fired up”…these people are so out of touch and grasping for straws…O at these rallies just looks like the same punk we saw during the primaries…no where near ‘Presidential’ or statesmanlike…yelling and throwing insults in desperation…he is an embarrassment…

  96. I think burning books is stupid and offensive period.
    I am just pissed that unless the iman is the singular most daft person ever he had to have known that a proposed mosque would get a reaction. He’ll get one and then there will be more. He and his swimming bull began this.
    Michelle Malkin has a worthy read on the threats of radicalizing if it is moved.

  97. Kimberly Strassel is one of my favorite journalists. She speaks truth to power. And she does not back down from the enemy within, i.e. Obama, jurnolisters or from his thugs from the SEIU when they attack her. This is a great article.

    THE OBAMA HEYDAY IS OVER
    By KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL

    Barack Obama hit the campaign trail this week to resurrect some of that hopey-changey stuff and to complain that his critics talk about him “like a dog.” Turns out the president wasn’t, in fact, referring to his own party.

    Voters might be forgiven the confusion. It isn’t as if Democrats have been showing Mr. Obama much love. Quite the opposite. Seven weeks from Election Day, the vulnerable wing of the majority has finally found itself a campaign issue: blunt opposition to Mr. Obama and his agenda.

    Has it only been 20 months? Candidate Obama swelled into office with an ambitiously liberal plan. He promised his party that his legislative items would be more than policy triumphs; they’d be political triumphs. Stick with me, he said, and we’ll get credit for leadership. Voters will come to love this stuff. Polls will improve. I’ll campaign in your district.

    It was bunk, as many Democrats knew even back then. Witness the threats and bribes necessary to coax a bare majority for every vote. But enough went along. And now that the ambitious Obama experiment in liberal governance is going kaboom, his members—even those who voted with him—are running for cover.

    Health care? A total of 279 House and Senate Democrats voted for ObamaCare. Not one is running an ad touting that vote. How can they, given headlines about Medicare cuts and premium hikes? You will, however, find a growing catalogue of ads such as this one from Maryland Rep. Frank Kratovil: “As a career prosecutor, I made decisions on facts, not politics,” and that’s why “I voted against . . . the health-care bill.”

    Not to be outdone, Alabama Rep. Bobby Bright’s ad explains he voted against “massive government health care.” South Dakota’s Stephanie Herseth Sandlin boasts she voted against the “trillion-dollar health-care plan.” But the prize goes to former Georgia Gov. Roy Barnes, vying to get his old job back: Not only is ObamaCare “financially devastating,” it is “the greatest failure, modern failure, of political leadership in my lifetime.”

    Stimulus? Only a handful of Democrats can be found who will even utter the dreaded “s” word—and those are the ones bragging they voted against it. The rest have developed a curious code involving brief references to “roads” and “bridges.” Even the White House is running from the White House. Press Secretary Robert Gibbs crankily lectured the press corps this week that the latest $50 billion Mr. Obama wants to “spur” the economy is absolutely not a “stimulus.”

    Cap and trade? “I voted against Nancy Pelosi’s energy tax on Hoosier families,” explains Indiana Rep. Joe Donnelly in an ad, echoed by North Carolina Rep. Mike McIntyre and Pennsylvania Rep. Jason Altmire. And the yes votes are rushing to argue that all they were really voting for was “renewable energy.”

    Financial regulation? What’s that? Most of the country doesn’t know, and few Democrats are bothering to explain. They see more mileage in ads putting distance between themselves and the auto bailouts, the president’s budget, or the party’s cultural reputation. Roy Herron, running in Tennessee, ran an ad describing himself as a “truck-driving, shotgun-shooting, Bible-reading, crime-fighting, family loving country boy.” This is not a joke.

    As for campaigning, Mr. Obama failed to warn Democrats that—thanks to the agenda he was asking them to pass—by September he’d be upside-down in his approval on most issues, and not much help. Instead of a president to help them, Democrats have found a president to run against. And it isn’t George W. Bush.

    The White House is now letting it be known that it is miffed that more Democrats aren’t running to embrace its new “economic” plan. But as parents are fond of telling their five-year-olds, choices have consequences. This White House could have pivoted to the economy at any point—as many Democrats were begging it to do—but instead doggedly pushed ahead with an unpopular agenda. Many Democrats are no longer listening.

    Will the anti-Obama strategy work? In this environment, running away from Mr. Obama certainly beats running to him. Then again, midterms are referendums on a president’s agenda, and the country is in a mood to punish Democrats en masse. For those anti-Obama Democrats who do survive, the political lesson will be that there is mileage in telling Mr. Obama no.

    This is where today’s exodus will really be felt—after the election. The president still has a to-do list. Yet the more this election becomes about the toxicity of his “accomplishments,” the less ability Mr. Obama has to command a caucus. Republicans will be hunting for votes to block and reverse, and some liberated Democrats may feel happy to help.

    Bill Clinton dealt with the 1994 massacre by moving right and triangulating. It is unclear whether the ideological Mr. Obama has the ability to follow suit. What is clear is that some big changes are now necessary. The Obama heyday is officially over.

    Write to kim@wsj.com

    (A little night music please: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LxJMYeqgUQ)

  98. I do not know who is stupider: a fundamentalist who does not know when to hold them and when to fold them, an iman who does not see how to turn the issue to his own advantage, or a president who seems paralyzed by this side show. But that is the Obama way. Ever since the pirate crisis. Instead of focusing on solving the problem at hand he worries about how to surfboard his way through the politics. As a result he cannot make a sound decisions in real time. Instead he gives us a blizzard of words and no inaction. Yes, the First Amendment prevents government from prohibiting the free exercise of religion. It also protects freedom of speech. But that right is not unlimited. As Justice Holmes famously observed it does not give anyone the right to yell fire in a crowded theater. I rather suspect that is what Hillary would have said to that minister if she were president. It is strange that a lecturer in constitutional law would fail to see that he has the power to act, if he really believed this act would jeopardize the lives of American soldiers. He is after all the commander in chief. Or at least that is part of his job description.

  99. henry
    September 10th, 2010 at 8:34 pm
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    I agree. I think that it’s ludicrous that the people who proposed this project didn’t have the slightest unease about how others may view their proposal. To propose the opening for a September 11th was not done with goodness in their heart. Personally, I believe this to be a stealth effort of Islam to further its spread within the US, and to do it by sending the outside world a message that even in the US, they get what they want, when they want it, and through their strength, they are turning people to Islam. Now that is truly a horrible thing, in my opinion. They can pray whatever they want here, but don’t expect me to believe their propaganda, and lies.

  100. henry, it is a good one. Here is the link:

    http://michellemalkin.com/

    Something needs to be done about this. May be strong enforcement of law when they protest and break peace? But much of it is stealth and premeditated it looks like. For example, why did the Imam Rauf and the developers by that property in that location and they did it after 9/11 and why did they start this? If one thinks it is as benign as that Imam’s explanation then one is also correct in expecting that Imam would magnanimously move away. Even now he could. This seems like a premeditated death by thousand cuts kind of war by countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, and no wonder people are on edge. This is politics and war and has nothing to do with religion. The people here who are eating their own by calling the opposition bigots and such are doing harm. THAT is exactly what those corrupt politicians want. They want people to go after their own and they want nutcases like that pastor to come out and cause more unrest. Death by thousand cuts. None of this seems rational to me. And the media is CRAZY and the political leadership is absent.

  101. jbstonesfan,

    I have now seen a video greeting from obama for Rosh Hashanah. I haven’t seen one from Hillary Clinton yet.

  102. “Candidate Obama swelled into office with an ambitiously liberal plan.”
    *********
    Anyone who thought that Obama was a Liberal was brain damaged from Hopium.

    “It is strange that a lecturer in constitutional law ”
    ********
    IIRC, at a Gibbs dog and pony show about 6-8(?) months ago, Gibbs denied that Obama has taught Con Law classes. I though that was very odd when I read that.

  103. thank you to all who blogged. I had to turn off my TV at work while the idiot was lying on TV, my customers were complaining.

    Henry — I have donated to Tommey, he’s a very strong fiscal conservative.

    At this point I am so pissed at the DNC, and every damn democrat, the arrogance, the ignorance, I am more pissed at them than I was ever at Bush. I want them [the dems] to shocked beyond belief at the tsunami-like losses in November of this year.

  104. To propose the opening for a September 11th was not done with goodness in their heart.

    =================

    It was not done at all. No such proposal was ever made. The claim was a lie.

  105. As Justice Holmes famously observed it does not give anyone the right to yell fire in a crowded theater. I rather suspect that is what Hillary would have said to that minister if she were president. It is strange that a lecturer in constitutional law would fail to see that he has the power to act, if he really believed this act would jeopardize the lives of American soldiers.

    ========================

    I wondered when someone was going to say that, or when I was going to get around to it. But some people are jumping up to defend burning as a free speech issue — how could you catch and stop all of them, all over the country?

    Probably Hillary and others are doing the right thing: drown the crazies with better statements.

    What was it some years ago where the media got together and stopped covering such stunts? Holding people hostage or something?

  106. wbboei
    September 10th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    I do not know who is stupider: a fundamentalist who does not know when to hold them and when to fold them, an iman who does not see how to turn the issue to his own advantage

    =================

    I’d love to see you dissect the details.

  107. “Oh Jesus, they’re liable to fuck up the entire Solar System messing around with sunlight.”
    — Commentor on BP’s involvement with solar energy

  108. People are so terrified of Muslims, governments are just appeasing them around the world …not unlike the Nazi’s I think.

  109. “Oh Jesus, they’re liable to fuck up the entire Solar System messing around with sunlight.”
    – Commentor on BP’s involvement with solar energy
    ——————————–
    Oh blessed be the Mess I Ahhhhhhhh for he moveth in mysterious ways:

    1. over promise

    2. under deliver

    3. disenfranchise

    4. pay off cronies

    5, blame Bush

    6, throw supporters under the bus

    7. prepare for impeachment

    8. incite racial violence

    9. canonize on Mt. Rushmore

  110. I think that if the swimming bull center is ever built it will be years from now. Lawsuits and protests will cause delays. In the mean time I think we are all going to be subjected by something far worse and that will be the speech on religious relations that the pompous ass is going to give shortly before the election. Which will be heralded by those in the lame stream press who are now yelling “fire” as the greatest speech ever delivered by a mere mortal.

  111. ACE
    ***********

    Why Was The FBI Dropping By The Wannabe Koran Burners?
    —DrewM.

    I think I’ve made it pretty clear I’m not a real big fan of the whole Koran burning thing. What I’m even less of a fan of is government coercion of legitimate, if abhorrent speech.

    FBI agents visited Thursday with a minister of a small Florida church that plans to burn the Quran on Sept. 11, as public safety became a paramount concern and President Barack Obama added his voice to the chorus of opposition.
    …The FBI spent about a half hour talking with Jones, but church spokesman Wayne Sapp would not disclose what they discussed. Agents leaving the church wouldn’t talk to an Associated Press reporter.

    Jones said earlier this week that agents have visited him twice since he announced his plans in July, the last visit about two weeks ago.

    Now, I suppose it’s possible Jones is caught up in something else unrelated to the Koran burning plans that has the legitimate interest of the FBI. However given the nature of this story and the unprecedented involvement of government officials in this matter (more in a minute on that), I think AG Holder and/or President Obama need to come out right away and make it clear that federal law enforcement officers are not being used to intimidate Jones.

    Jonah Goldberg made a great point last night on FNC’s Special Report…a lot of people went nuts right after 9/11 when Ari Fleischer said, “all Americans that they need to watch what they say, watch what they do.” (follow the link for Hitchens’ take down of the faux hysteria). Now however it’s the policy of this administration to have figures such as the head of the NATO mission in Afghanistan, the Secretary of State, the President of the United States of America weigh in on the wisdom of Americans exercising their First Amendment rights. The Secretary of Defense even called Jones to personally discuss the situation with him.

    I’ve gone quite a bit over the last two days about the double standards employed by the left about Islam and the delicate sensibilities of Muslims who are peaceful unless you know, they aren’t, but the idea the government is mobilizing to talk someone out of protesting and suddenly FBI agents show up is truly outrageous.

    How about the Obama administration do it’s damn job and protect Americans who do dumb things but are exercising their legal rights. That’s why we have a government in the first place. Stop lecturing some kook in Florida about what they should and should not do and make it clear to everyone around the world, sensitive and extremest Muslims included, that we do and say what we want here in the US and if you have a problem with that, tough shit.

    I hope Congressman Daryl Issa adds this to his list of things to investigate come January of next year.

    Until it’s clear that the FBI was there on unrelated matters, I’m not giving this administration the benefit of the doubt.

  112. Admin{ it is a sad commentary on the state of our country that that wonderful dog who loved dog biscuits refused to take one from Obama when it was offered to him or her. Yes a delightful dog and dare I say it smarter than 56% of the electorate.

    That number is terrifying to me. What it says is that when it comes to politics the suckers have got the rest of us outnumbered.

  113. I am so sick of this a$$hole and his talking down and about America and Americans.
    sick of it!

    first we’re racists, then we’re bigots, I’m sick of it. Never did I think ever I would miss Bush.

  114. I wondered when someone was going to say that, or when I was going to get around to it. But some people are jumping up to defend burning as a free speech issue — how could you catch and stop all of them, all over the country?
    —————————-
    I guess it is because the point if fairly obvious. What people are reacting to, and what I reacted to initially I must confess, is the entire res gestae, meaning the event which gave rise to this chapter and that was the dogged insistence of this muslim leader whom our government sees as a moderate in in building that mosque in the shadow of ground zero over the objections of the American People. The elites see it as one kind of symbol–a symbol of tolerance, whereas the majority of Americans see it as a symbol of capitulation to an act which killed more Americans than Pearl Harbor. As you may know I have a low opinion of the elites in this country and that means that I am a priori biased against anything they say. But the other point people are reacting to is the assault on our constitution and the bill of rights by Obama and his globalist cronies. It is the same logic which leads the NRA to oppose a ban on assault weapons. Most of us do not think assault weapons are a necessary thing. They make mince meat out of deer and duck so hunters have no great interest. But once we start banning them where will it end. In other words, when it comes to constitutional rights we tend to support this minister reflexively. But in the end, we must ask ourselves whether this is where we should be locking in, in our effort to resist the attempt by Obama to destroy our constitutional order. I ignore Obama because he is a phony mfr who wants to destroy our nation. But I must listen to Patreaus because I think he is an honest soldier.

  115. tim
    Are you talking about those American’s who in the days after 9/11 who had seen the pictures of the celebrations throughout the world on their tv’s. Those people who planted a flag in their front yard but refrained from blind acts of violence against individuals or mosques. About the American’s who didn’t boycott islamic owned deli’s or other businesses.

    Ah yes those American’s are going to need a lesson in RESPECT from the man who belittles them for adhering to their own faith.

    It all comes down to respect. The imam has shown none.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DZ3_obMXwU

  116. American’s who in the days after 9/11 who had seen the pictures of the celebrations throughout the world on their tv’s.

    —————-

    Such hoaxes were shown by some media: old films of foreigners celebrating some sports win.

  117. henry
    September 10th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    I could not have said it any better than you. I watched that radical imam on CNN, I broke my boycott of CNN just to see what this radical had to say. I almost broke my TV. The man was sitting there essentially threatening that if the Ground Zero Victory mosque is not built, there will be attacks.

    my wife had to calm me down. I have never heard such shit!

    This is why I can’t even watch TV much anymore, my blood pressure cannot take it. And I was pretty pissed at Bush, but never this much, compared to the fool now in the WH, heck I would take Bush over him anyday!

  118. turndownobama

    “Such hoaxes were shown by some media: old films of foreigners celebrating some sports win.”

    Sorry you jumped the shark with that one.

  119. In other words, when it comes to constitutional rights we tend to support this [book burning Jones] minister reflexively. But in the end, we must ask ourselves whether this is where we should be locking in, in our effort to resist the attempt by Obama to destroy our constitutional order. I ignore Obama because he is a phony mfr who wants to destroy our nation. But I must listen to Patreaus because I think he is an honest soldier.

    ==============================

    Very good. But HOW could we stop Jones and copycats, all over the country? Seems impractical.

  120. Gonzotx,

    People are so terrified of Muslims, governments are just appeasing them around the world …not unlike the Nazi’s I think.
    ————————–

    You see appeasing doesn’t help, they only understand brute force….now we know how the jews feel in Jerusalem….the Jews give and the Palestinians are never happy….same as what is going on here….brute force is the only way!
    the stupid liberals don’t understand this…seems like I’ve seen a couple of movies with this kind of story…and the liberals are the ones who are killed by the killers they try to defend…happens everytime.

  121. Hillary, Gates, Petraus, and others have been warning that if Jones does his stupid thing there will be attacks.

    They’re not exactly threatening.

  122. wbboei,

    This is what I want the details of. In your opinion, how should both sides be played?

    “I do not know who is stupider: a fundamentalist who does not know when to hold them and when to fold them, an iman who does not see how to turn the issue to his own advantage”

  123. I heard today that Chancellor Angela Merkel in a very public way honored the Danish cartoonist[who drew Mohammed] with a high German award for Freedom of the Press. He was invited to Germany and was awarded with this presentation in a high profile way.

    Thank God for strong women like Dr. Merkel. She refuses to back down.

  124. “Very good. But HOW could we stop Jones and copycats, all over the country? Seems impractical.”

    Institute Sharia law. That should do the trick, The man has a right to burn whatever book he wants. Hollywood has no problem throwing down God Damn in every other film. That is an offense to many Christians and Jews throughout the country. I believe there is even a Commandment about it. Not so worried about the sensitivities of the fundamentalist Christians are we? That’s right its because they don’t threaten murder with every slight.
    For the record I think jone’s is an ass. The imam started the fire, jones added fuel and the media fanned the flames.

  125. tim
    September 10th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
    I am so sick of this a$$hole and his talking down and about America and Americans.
    sick of it!

    first we’re racists, then we’re bigots, I’m sick of it. Never did I think ever I would miss Bush.
    ——————————
    Tim, the elites are all into brands. Brand Bush was predicated on the assumption that the electorate was of a certain age, ethnicity and cultural disposition. Brand Obama was predicated on the assumption that the electorate was younger, multi racial and did not value the traditions of this country. It is essentially a marketing decision. Neither of them spoke for the American People. And that is the fundamental problem. We are marking time, until there is a mega political change. If I had to guess, I think that change is coming, and I think the catalyst will be the lack of jobs. The causal factors? It is not just the business cycle, nor the anti business policies of Obama, it is the confluence of globalization and technological change which has flattened the managerial layer. And every year we graduate more young people who want homes families and all that. Unforuntately, the system will not give them what they want–jobs. And that is where you get a revolution. It may be violent, and then again it may not. But my sense is it is coming.

  126. wbboei
    September 10th, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    That may be so, frankly I absolultey could not stand Bush, heck, my wife and I even went to Florida to protest against him during the recount in 2000.

    But I never felt in my gut Bush loathed America and Americans, with Waffles, I get that sense, I feel it in my guts. He seems to get a kick out of calling Americans essentially racists and bigots, and that America needs to be knocked down from its exceptionalism and founding principles.

    Bush 1, pro-America, Bill Clinton, pro-America, Bush 2, pro-America, I cannot 100% say that about Mr. Waffles.

    Yes, you are correct, the economy is just opening people’s eyes much faster and in a more clear way as to what both parties have done in the name of power for themselves.

  127. telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/concoughlin/7993491/As-Barack-Obama-dithers-Hillary-Clinton-offers-aglimpse-of-what-might-have-been.html

    There is a growing sense in Washington that the party backed the wrong candidate, writes Con Coughlin.

    By Con Coughlin
    Published: 7:33AM BST 10 Sep 2010

    Hillary Clinton speaks at an iftar meal at the State Dept. in Washington Photo: AFP

    As America prepares to mark the ninth anniversary of the September 11 attacks, President Obama’s inability to get a firm grip on the deeply emotional issues involved is raising further questions about his leadership.

    For a president battling disastrous poll ratings, the announcement that a hitherto unknown Florida pastor was planning to burn copies of the Koran should have provided an opportunity to show he had what it takes. As Commander-in-Chief, Mr Obama has an unequivocal duty to protect the hundreds of thousands of American men and women serving on the front lines of their country’s conflicts. And General David Petraeus, the commander of US forces in Afghanistan, had already issued a warning that Americans would be at risk from attack by Islamist extremists if the book-burning stunt went ahead.

    Yet it took an international outcry from the world’s leading Muslim nations before Mr Obama could be persuaded to intervene. Suddenly aware that relationships with key regional allies such as Indonesia and Pakistan were being imperilled by the publicity-seeking antics of a small-time cleric in rural Florida, the president finally made a statement. Speaking on American television yesterday morning, he appealed to Terry Jones, who leads a congregation of just 50 followers, to abandon his plans on the grounds that they would become a “recruitment bonanza” for al-Qaeda.

    Mr Obama’s ponderous response was in stark contrast to the sure-footed approach of Hillary Clinton, his Secretary of State. Speaking earlier in the week at a Ramadan dinner for Muslim leaders, she denounced Mr Jones’s proposed stunt as “disrespectful and disgraceful”.

    America’s First Amendment, which enshrines the right of every citizen to freedom of expression, means that the government is constitutionally constrained in how it goes about curbing such potentially inflammatory activities. In the Seventies, when the predominantly Jewish community in the Chicago suburb of Skokie asked the Supreme Court to ban a neo-Nazi rally there, the judges ruled that they were bound by the constitution not to intervene.

    Even so, Mrs Clinton’s handling of this latest drama has made Mr Obama look out of touch, seemingly lacking in the instinctive leadership qualities that Americans expect. Muslim sensibilities might not be top of every American voter’s priorities in the wake of the recent failed terrorist plots in Detroit and New York. Indeed, many Americans, particularly those that support the Tea Party’s hard-Right agenda, will applaud burning the Koran as a justifiable protest against the radical Islamist ideology that inspired the September 11 hijackers. But it is a different matter when such antics place the lives of American citizens in jeopardy.

    Part of the explanation for the president’s slow-witted response no doubt stems from his recent, injudicious intervention in the row over the proposal to build a mosque close to Ground Zero. Initially, Mr Obama had suggested that the local Muslim community had every right to build a mosque, but after his comments provoked a political firestorm, he was forced to offer a hasty “clarification”, claiming that he had not meant to refer specifically to the Ground Zero mosque. The next time the issue was raised, his spokesman categorically refused to comment.

    However much Mr Obama’s dwindling band of supporters insist that the Ground Zero debacle was nothing more than a media-generated frenzy, worked up in the dog days of August, the perception has taken hold among voters that their president is desperately out of touch with ordinary Americans.

    During the 2008 campaign, Mr Obama used his great gift of oratory to sweep to victory, overcoming a fierce challenge from the more level-headed, though less inspirational, Mrs Clinton. But two years later, with the Republicans enjoying their strongest forecast for success in November’s mid-term elections since 1942, and Mr Obama’s personal popularity in freefall, it is suddenly Mrs Clinton who appears to be the more experienced and accomplished politician.

    At a time when Mr Obama’s political opponents are seeking to exploit, to their own advantage, the fact that the president’s middle name is “Hussein”, he needs to take extra care when dealing with such sensitive issues. Instead, his less-than-convincing performance has seen many Democrats come to regret their enthusiastic backing two years ago. There is a growing sense in Washington that the party backed the wrong candidate, a view that is likely to harden if, as is now widely predicted, it is humiliated in the mid-term elections. If that is the case, then once the race for the Democratic nomination in 2012 begins, Mrs Clinton can expect to come under ferocious pressure to make amends.

  128. If you wanted to STOP Jones….give the burning NO press coverage…that would do it…but we have an administration that wants the world to thing Christian fundamentalist are just plain nuts…they would never think those mooselims are nuts…

    we burn Quran’s, they burn people, but who does Obama think is crazy???

  129. And every year we graduate more young people who want homes families and all that. Unforuntately, the system will not give them what they want–jobs. And that is where you get a revolution. It may be violent, and then again it may not. But my sense is it is coming.
    ********
    The American economy is a hollow shell and the “lost” jobs aren’t coming back. Corporate profits are up based on elimination of American workers. When I see the 20-30 year old working in the “service sector”, I just see a lot of young people with no economic future.

    As I have posted before, 2007 stats (now is probably worse): Top 1% have 42.7% of the nations wealth, the top 20%=93% of the wealth and the remaining 80% of Americans + 7%. The “bottom” 60% of Americans earn 27% of the income and have 4% of the wealth…these kind of stats combined with real un/underemployment of 22% aren’t compatible with long term social stability.

  130. SHV, As Debra Medina said when she gave her consolation speech at the end of the Texas primary. The rights we lose now, will be won back by the blood of our children….it gave me chills when she said that because I know we have a revolution in store soon.

  131. So much reconciliation.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/nypd_army_for_protests_GRKi9cUIam9RT8ZUayUHxM

    The NYPD has called up “an army of cops” to handle rival protests expected to draw thousands to the site of the planned Ground Zero mosque on the anniversary of 9/11, sources said yesterday.

    “We want to keep everyone in their corners. You don’t want the opposing sides to clash,” an NYPD official told The Post. “All eyes are going to be on New York City that day. No one wants to see a fight on Sept. 11.”

    With as many as 4,000 riled-up demonstrators expected to pack into two blocks of Park Place between West Broadway and Broadway — the site of the proposed mosque — the department is sparing no expense to keep the peace, the official said.

    “There’ll be an army of cops down there,” the official said, estimating the number of officers at several hundred.

    The dueling rallies — to be held tomorrow, on the ninth anniversary of the terror attacks — will pit mosque supporters against those who believe that the site shouldn’t be so close to Ground Zero.

    The demonstrators will square off on opposite sides of Park Place, the site of the controversial Park51 center, after 9/11 commemorations conclude at noon in nearby Zuccotti Park, off Liberty Street.

    But no matter where they stand on the mosque issue, some people questioned the appropriateness of protesting on Sept. 11.

    “My own view — irrespective how you feel about the mosque — I don’t think you have it that day. It’s totally disrespectful,” said Tom Acquaviva, 70, of Wayne, NJ, who lost his son, Paul, 29, an employee of Cantor Fitzgerald, in the attack.

    But Pamela Geller, a founder of Stop Islamization of America, which is organizing the anti-mosque rally, said 9/11 family members have begged her to soldier on.

    Geller said she has urged supporters to carry US flags rather than potentially inflammatory, slogan-emblazoned signs, to show they come in peace.

  132. Bambi and company are going to milk this for everything they can.
    ———————————
    Frankly, I doubt he knows what to do. He should have acted. Instead he equivocated. He has shown no leadership, no courage and no ingenuity. Not even a beer summit.

  133. I am with Pamela Gellar on this one…I wonder if William Ayers will be down there to stomp on the American flag again??? He or his wife was on one of the flotilla’s.

  134. confloyd
    September 11th, 2010 at 12:08 am
    I am with Pamela Gellar on this one…I wonder if William Ayers will be down there to stomp on the American flag again??? He or his wife was on one of the flotilla’s
    ************

    Too bad it didn’t sink!!!

  135. wbboei,
    Thinking about your branding statement
    I think I grasp the gist of your theory, but waffles didn’t actually win. McCain lost. And bambi never got on the ballot legitimately.

  136. wbboei
    “Frankly, I doubt he knows what to do. He should have acted. Instead he equivocated. He has shown no leadership, no courage and no ingenuity. Not even a beer summit.”

    ———————
    But he is going to give a great speech very soon

  137. Patton was an American original. I have paid him homage on this site, on more than one occasion. But in the interest of fairness, he did have his moments. If you read the book An Army At Dawn, I seem to recall a passage where he is asked how the war is going, and he says not worth a damned. Naturally, they asked him why. His response was we are not getting enough officers killed. That statement is understandable in a man who led from the front lines and was not afraid to jump out of a building firing his trusty pearl handled nickel plated 45 automatic pistols at German fighter aircraft chafing his position or whatever. But fate had the last laugh, because he was a man who would have loved to have died in combat, and to die the way he did after the war would have pissed him off. And it was no fun to be around him when he was pissed off. In the final analysis, he achieved his military objectives ahead of schedule with a minimal loss of life. If you are a general what else is there?

  138. I just don’t understand how people think appeasing these muslim fundamentalist’s will work??? It would work on normal people, but these people were born and breed to hate, you can’t change that. The Israeli’s have tried for hundreds of years…it can’t be done.

    Its like trying to take a serial killer off death row and try to talk him out of killing again if we would release him….it ain’t happening.

  139. What Obama is doing is “standing with the muslims” and it shows. No matter how they try to paint it, it still the same, he is standing “with his brothers”, just like they all do. He should be impeached for being anti american!

  140. confloyd,
    we are talking about dealing with the creative class. the elites. Someone at nbc/ge thinks its funny to put on a show called Outsourced. The show is about a call center in India relocated from America. Unemployment is through the roof and they green light a comedy about American jobs going over seas. That is funny?

  141. wbboei
    “Frankly, I doubt he knows what to do. He should have acted. Instead he equivocated. He has shown no leadership, no courage and no ingenuity. Not even a beer summit.”

    ———————
    But he is going to give a great speech very soon

    ————
    Yes. And anyone with any sense will say this about that: “just words”. If all he does is read speeches that speech writers have written for him, which any trained actor could do, then his presence would appear to be rather superfluous.

  142. admin
    September 11th, 2010 at 12:03 am
    So much reconciliation.
    ————————–
    Yet another Obamalie. He promised reconciliation and what we got was a minor version of Armageddon.

  143. wbboei,
    Have you read the books he claims to have written?
    I am curious as to whether the voice in those gels with his famous convention speech.

  144. As America prepares to mark the ninth anniversary of the September 11 attacks, President Obama’s inability to get a firm grip on the deeply emotional issues involved is raising further questions about his leadership.
    ——————————————————-
    S–that is an insightful sentence. He cannot get a grip on the emotions of his audience. And that is because he has no frame of reference. If you have never felt an emotion yourself how can you understand it and relate to it in others? Obama has no emotions outside himself. He was abandoned by both of his parents, so I rather suspect this was a matter of self preservation. He learned to shmooze and to ingratiate himself to others when he wanted something. But he cannot relate to them on a deeper level. As a result he is perfectly content to throw them under the bus when they are no longer useful. Traditional political analysis cannot explain Obama. If you want to understand him you muse familiarize yourself with the science of deviant psychology. The sooner people realize that is what they are dealing with the better for the country. First, he disenfranchised party members, and now he is throwing party officials to the wolves. Shades of Lav Beria. Like his avuncular Boss Joe Stalin he was a Georgia boy.

  145. wbboei,
    Have you read the books he claims to have written?
    I am curious as to whether the voice in those gels with his famous convention speech.
    ————————————
    Henry–I was too busy hiding them behind other books in bookstores to ever read them. They say you cannot judge a book by its cover but in this case I did. It is clearly fiction.

  146. Wbboie
    I was hoping you had as I think you mentioned either William or Henry James the other day and it made curious as to when bambi kicked crack or cocaine. (The Varieties of Religious Experience, by William is a profound piece of work). Making a fundamental change(like kicking drugs) in one’s life requires a new way of seeing the world and how you fit into it. None of his story makes any sense to me. It’s all too pat. Too scripted, but not even fox questions the verity.

  147. This is why Obamas grant of $30 million to OFA supposedly for democratic candidates in 2010 but in fact for himself in 2012 will not work with the youth demographic like it did in 2008. He will have to do it all through cheating and Soros is putting the people and the machines in place to do that. The counter strategy is paper ballots and a new law which requires proof of citizenship in that state. The Republicans had better be smart enough to get ahead of the power curve here because Obama will disenfranchise the American People whenever and wherever he can. That is a proven fact. On the other hand, the people of this country will not stand for it, and if they cannot remove him through a legitimate electoral process, then my sense is they will resort to other means, which can run an entire gambut. This is what Tony Blankey was intimating the other day. The Republicans will need to become smarter and more courageous than in the recent past. Look at the video and the graphs, and you will see why I think this is megapolitical.
    ————————————————————-

    The Vaunted Youth Vote Gets A Cold Dose of Reality
    http://www.redstate.com/bs/2010/09/09/the-vaunted-youth-vote-gets-a-cold-dose-of-reality/

    This video, from the U.S. Senate campaign of Rep. Roy Blunt, who is running against MO Sec’y of State Robin Carnahan for Sen Kit Bond’s seat, caught my eye for several reasons:

    I went to the University of Missouri, which is strongly represented in the vidOne of my kids is a college student, and the other one soon will beI was amused by the blather about the youth vote in 2008, and this video points to a trend that I fully expected.

    Looks like maybe the “youth vote” is wising up. But why?

    As of February, 2010, ABC News reported that the recent college graduate unemployment rate was running just under 19% – about 2x what the overall rate was at the time. According to the National Association of Colleges & Employers, average salaries of recent grads dropped about 1.3%. 37% of 18-29 year-olds have been unemployed during this recession. And more than 2/3 of college students are graduating with student loans. With all that going on, the last thing that students seem to be concerned about is voting.

    Last week the NYT published an interesting front-page piece: “Fewer Young Voters See Themselves as Democrats” (which was brought to my attention by none other than my 20-year old college student):

    The college vote is up for grabs this year — to an extent that would have seemed unlikely two years ago, when a generation of young people seemed to swoon over Barack Obama.

    Though many students are liberals on social issues, the economic reality of a weak job market has taken a toll on their loyalties: far fewer 18- to 29-year-olds now identify themselves as Democrats compared with 2008.

    “Is the recession, which is hitting young people very hard, doing lasting or permanent damage to what looked like a good Democratic advantage with this age group?” asked Scott Keeter, the director of survey research at the Pew Research Center, a nonpartisan group. “The jury is still out.”

    How and whether millions of college students vote will help determine if Republicans win enough seats to retake the House or Senate, overturning the balance of power on Capitol Hill, and with it, Mr. Obama’s agenda. If students tune out and stay home it will also carry a profound message for American society about a generation that seemed so ready, so recently, to grab national politics by the lapels and shake.

    That “whether” word is important for the Democrats. Just last week, Gallup published polling results showing that the enthusiasm levels of black and youth voters have plummeted since the 2008 election. “Thought given to the election” by 18-29 year-olds is at the lowest level since 2002.

    And even the Democrats are crying DOOM!

    Philip Stricker, 21, a biology major who voted for Mr. Obama but says he has not been paying much attention to politics lately, uses a nontechnical term to describe the phenomenon.

    “There’s a vibe,” he said on a recent afternoon, while pumping weights at the gym. “Right now it seems like Republicans just care a lot more than Democrats.”

    A spokeswoman for the university’s chapter of College Democrats, Mandi Asay, 22, said her group battled apathy on one hand and anger on the other.

    “People are angry — about the budget deficit, health care plan, angry about this and that,” she said. “I feel like Republicans definitely, definitely have a chance of getting back on their feet.”

    They should be angry, with an unemployment rate that’s 2x that of the rest of the country. Although the youth vote still skews heavily Democrat (by a 12-point margin as of last April), that makes little difference if they are too indifferent to show up.

    The Economist, not exactly a conservative bastion, notes this indifference and disillusionment:

    WHY, asks a Democrat leading a training session for fellow activists, doesn’t “Yes we can” work as a slogan any more? “Because we haven’t,” a jaded participant responds. Progressives, as bedrock Democrats like to call themselves, are despondent. The election euphoria of 2008, when their party secured heavy majorities in both chambers of Congress and Barack Obama won the presidency with ease, has deflated so rapidly that analysts are now diagnosing on the left an affliction they ascribed to the Republicans back then: an “enthusiasm gap”.

    The present gap is really more of a chasm. Gallup, a pollster, reckons that a mere 28% of Democrats are “very enthusiastic” about voting, compared to 44% of Republicans. By the same token the Pew Research Centre found in June that only 37% of liberal Democrats were “more enthusiastic than usual” about going to the polls, compared with 59% of conservative Republicans. And according to an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll the same month, the categories of voters whose interest in elections has dimmed the most since the last one are liberals and those who voted for Mr Obama (see chart). “You can’t deny the level of disappointment,” says Raul Grijalva, a Democratic representative from Arizona and head of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

    Rep. Blunt’s campaign video seems to accurately reflect the gloom and disillusionment of many recent college grads. The youth vote may still lean towards the Democrats, but the longer they are out of college and living in Mom’s basement, the deeper the disgust with Obama policies will become, and conservative Republicans like Roy Blunt will be successful in defeating Obama lapdogs like Robin Carnahan.

  148. I am skeptical that the Republicans can rise to this challenge. They are infinitely better than Obama because he will burn down the house whereas they will simply hold the mortagage. But really, and even now there is only one answer to this growing riddle and national dilemma. Hillary in 2012. And I hope that for once in their lives partisans will support country over party, because that is what it will take if she is elected. No, I am not being a complete fool when I say that. During World War II the parties, and even labor and management found ways to cooperate for the greater good.

  149. The obstacle there is to saving this country will be big media. You have a perfect example of it right now. By what sophistry of reason should they be fanning the flames of this Reverend Jones thing? Their actions in this incident are inimical to the country, and the troops in the field. And there is no conceivable justification, other than the fact that they are traitors to this country, and I will not scruple to tell them that if I get the opportunity. My friend reminded me of something I said here on this blog over a year ago, a thought that originated with her and her family background in the finest small town newspaper in the country. When they owned the paper sources were triple checked, investigative stories tha could not be connected were discarded and utmost in the editors mind–they had a good one according to her husband, was to tell the truth, protect the community, and let the people decide, consistent with the underlying premise of democracy. What we have today at places like NBC, CNN and MSNBC is the negation of all that supplanted by the thuggish tactics of Joseph Goebbels. I look at a guy like Heilman and that is the image that comes to mind.

  150. Wbboie

    I was hoping you had as I think you mentioned either William or Henry James the other day and it made curious as to when bambi kicked crack or cocaine.
    —————————–
    I had eight martinis one night Henry. It game me the dts. I have no desire to repeat the experience. And I know that if I were to read Obamas biographies, knowing that they were probably written by William Ayers, then I would have an even more painful experience.

  151. wbboei, I haven’t seen Mrs. Smith lately, is she OK???

    What’s up with Glenn Beck, everytime I see him on the TV, he is like preaching. Is he turning into a minister or what??? I didn’t like his history teacher image, and now I don’t like his preaching image, but I did like his investigative reporting….wish he’d go back to what he did orginally.
    Some think it will be Beck/Palin 2012′. I hope they don’t saddle Palin with a dud again and she needs to be at the top of the ticket. If Hillary doesn’t run and Palin doesn’t get saddled with a dud, I’d vote for her AGAIN! Bambi the muslim, nevah!

  152. What do you all think about Obama wedding ring in the shop…folk say he’s had to have it resized because he’s lost so much weight. Its my guess that why he’s not playing basketball anymore…too many calories used with that sport. Of coarse he could be just sick about his little friend leaving…Cal something or other!

  153. wbboei
    It is beyond what is now the silly irrelevant lame stream media. Today we have google which owns youtube. We have billionaires that achieved their tremendous wealth at very young ages. They have tremendous influence on information. What company is more powerful than the you tube/google monstrosity. Bravo to them for what they have achieved so early so young. The idealism which accompanies youth is often the impetus for change, but change isn’t always good. Anybody over forty knows that exhuberance can lead to folly.
    I am 43 and never before have I had the opportunity to vote for someone with the experience and intelligence of Clinton, but she was dismissed by the youth for a rock star. I understand anyone under 25 who hasn’t had a child wanting to get on that feel good we are the ones we’ve been waiting for fairy tail. If I were that age I bet I’d been with them.
    Scary though the people that own the means by which we get information will age but will do so in the vacuum of extrem wealth and privledge.

  154. “Obama can’t even handle this negotiation, much less the century old Palestinian/Israel one.”

    Bingo! The dummy started off babbling out ‘rights.’ Well, the Pastor has the free speech right to burn the Koran. The dummy wouldn’t comment on the ‘wisdom’ of the Mosque but he jumps all over the wisdom of the Koran burning. Translation: Muslim rights and emotions are more important than American rights and emotions. Meanwhile, American-Muslim relations grow worse by the day. That’s diplomacy, all right. Heckuva job, Mr. President.

    He sent his thugs to NY to force Paterson out of the Governor’s race. He should have sent Rahm to NY on the down low to twist Cordoba’s arm, force a compromise relocation, then set up some face-saving publicity stunt for Cordoba. The wisest person in this whole mess has been Sarah Palin. From the beginning, she advised the Imam the Mosque was an ‘unnecessary provocation.’ This Koran burning–and possibly worse–is exactly what she anticipated and Obama did not.

    Palin knows this country. Obama is the Fire In The Lake in reverse. ‘POTUS’ is like some alien occupation force that doesn’t understand the people he supposedly governs.

  155. canaan, great analogy!

    I am going to bed, Im tired, busy night in the emergency wore me out…goodnight and lets all pray that everything goes smooth…there’s been enough lose of american lives!

  156. MSNBC is replaying the actual footage taken when the attach happened in the same time frame 9 yrs ago..

    Absolutely shocking!

  157. Matt Lauer and Katie Couric reporting LIVE as this heinous act continues to unfold. No thoughts as yet to the people inside the Towers. Have they been safely evacuated? (as we know, very few survived the Tower attack)

    All we know in hindsight nine years later in 2010 America’s unfamiliarity with terrorism in 2001 has changed us forever . The ‘Terrorist’ lexicon has become a way of life. Ground Zero, a perpetual reminder of the 3000 dead in the Towers and the unforeseen health problems leading to the many deaths of the first responders. The last thing we need and want is a 13 story mosque towering over a sacred site sacred to Americans.

  158. Dick Morris and Eileen McGann

    Hillary’s First Shot

    Has the Democratic presidential primary of 2012 started already? Is Hillary Clinton beginning to position herself for a challenge to her boss? Yesterday, Hillary fired what may have been the first shot:

    She said:

    “I think that our rising debt level poses a national security threat, and it poses a national security threat in two ways: It undermines our capacity to act in our own interests, and it does constrain us where constraint may be undesirable. And it also sends a message of weakness, internationally.”

    The contrast with her husband’s presidency is implicit: He balanced the budget and reduced the debt to the point where Wall Street fretted that there would be no more federal debt instruments to buy, leaving them without a safe place to park their money.

    Hillary does nothing — nothing — without forethought. She plans every word, particularly when the words are critical of her president. By framing the “debt level” as a “national security threat,” she gives herself jurisdiction over budget policy and makes her comments about it appropriate for a secretary of state. And by criticizing the debt level that her president has amassed, she sets up the basis for a fiscal/economic critique of his presidency.

    Remember that between the time George Washington took the oath of office and the day that Obama took the same oath, the federal government amassed $9 trillion of debt. And, in the 19 months since then, it has piled up $3.5 trillion more! Debt is Obama’s big negative, the concomitant of his big spending stimulus package. Now he has Hillary Clinton criticizing it and, by implication, him.

    Will Hillary run? She might. The scenario would go like this:

    Step One: Obama loses both houses of Congress by record margins, throwing the Democratic Party into shock. Disbelief yields to recrimination, and the party leaders begin to turn on their president.

    Step Two: The popular repudiation of their president leads Democrats to question Obama’s leadership, and his ratings plunge. Without a base of Democratic approval, President Obama’s ratings sink below 40 percent down into the low 30s.

    Step Three: As it becomes clear that the Democrats will lose the election of 2012, more and more party leaders and the rank and file demand new leadership and look to Hillary to turn things around.

    Who know if she will really run. She doesn’t know. She can’t know until she sees how low Obama falls. But remember this: If she does run, her candidacy started yesterday.

    http://townhall.com/columnists/DickMorrisandEileenMcGann/2010/09/11/hillarys_first_shot

  159. Mexico Drug Threat Divides Obama Administration & Weakens Policy

    September 10th, 2010

    After a major foreign policy speech, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was asked to comment on the drug violence in Mexico. She answered quite frankly:

    We face an increasing threat from a well-organized network drug trafficking threat that is, in some cases, morphing into or making common cause with what we would consider an insurgency in Mexico and in Central America.

    The Mexican government quickly challenged the statement. The Secretary’s top diplomat for Latin America, Arturo Valenzuela, also questioned the correctness of the Secretary’s views. He asserted that Mexico in 2010 is quite unlike Colombia in the 1990s since there are no “armed group aiming to seize political power.” Valenzuela viewed the Mexican cartels as violent and dangerous but essentially lacking the political clout and ideological purpose that characterized the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) in the late 1990s. Yet, Valenzuela failed to mention how FARC evolved from a political insurgency to a narco-terrorist organization that survives on the cocaine trade.
    Spiraling violence, assaults on political authority, military-like firefights: these all seem to validate Secretary Clinton’s concerns. U.S. Ambassador to Mexico Carlos Pascual, for example, noted in an important speech that:

    Cartel-driven violence has moved … to Mexico’s business capital, Monterrey… The security environment in Monterrey has turned, in just months, from seeming benevolence to extreme violence… The total number of cartel-related executions for 2010 has already exceeded the combined total for the previous 12 years. [U.S. schoolchildren in Monterrey have been sent back to the U.S. as they were in Colombia in the 1980s.]

    Yet the current U.S. military definition of insurgency tends to support Valenzuela’s views.

    An organized movement aimed at the overthrow of a constituted government through the use of subversion and armed conflict…Political power is the central issue in an insurgency, and each side has this as its aim.

    Even the White House jumped into this increasingly confusing debate. President Obama told Spanish language La Opinion, “you can’t compare what is happening in Mexico with what happened in Colombia,” seeking to calm fears raised by Secretary Clinton.

    Thus it appears that the widespread, terroristic violence of Mexican cartels falls short of an insurgency because it lacks a well-defined political program and does not formally control territory, a technical point certainly lost on millions of Mexicans living in the shadows of fear and outright terror.

    In addition to demonstrating a lack of coordination, the Mexico-Colombia debate highlights a rift in management philosophies at the State Department and White House. Many officials prefer to play down the security/insurgency challenge in Mexico and still want to shift policy away from the “failed war on drugs.” They do not want another Plan Colombia and prefer softer assistance approaches aimed at institution-building, anti-corruption measures, legal reform, and human rights training rather than applications of hard power or grants to purchase of police and military hardware. They seek to demilitarize and de-narcotize U.S. policy and see the emphasis on drugs, violence, and insurgency as upsetting the sensitivities of our southern neighbors and hampering a diplomacy of friendly gestures.

    Despite the unresolved insurgency debate, the bottom line remains worrisome. The situation in Mexico is supremely troubling and constitutes a national security threat. Design, funding, programs and delivery of counter-drug assistance for Mexico and the region as a whole is fiercely debated within the Administration and Congress. Metrics for success in the drug fight are limited. Many fear the project is failing. Spending for demand and supply reduction is flat-lined at $15 billion. Yet, shrinking the danger is good politics for the White House.

    With his leadership on matters relating to Latin America and the drug issue still as yet unproven, President Obama generally steers clear of contentious hemispheric issues. Yesterday, however, he challenged the views of his Secretary of State. While the Administration is uncomfortable with some of the flawed assumptions and aspects of its policy toward Mexico, it does not want Mexico’s drug violence let alone an “insurgency problem” to become a distracting issue in November.

    http://blog.heritage.org/2010/09/10/mexico-drug-threat-divides-obama-administration-weakens-policy/

  160. Guest lineup for the Sunday TV news shows:

    ABC’s “This Week” — Austan Goolsbee, newly named chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers; Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, leader of effort to build Islamic center and mosque near ground zero; Eboo Patel, president, Interfaith Youth Core; Irshad Manji, author and New York University professor; the Rev. Richard Cizik, founder, The New Evangelical Partnership for the Common Good.

    ___

    CBS’ “Face the Nation” — House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio; Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn.; former New Jersey Gov. Tom Kean, co-chairman, 9-11 commission.

    ___

    NBC’s “Meet the Press” — White House adviser David Axelrod; former Mayor Rudy Giuliani, R-N.Y.

    ___

    CNN’s “State of the Union” — Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano; former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff; former Bush homeland security adviser Fran Townsend; House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer; former Rep. Dick Armey, R-Texas; former Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100911/ap_on_en_tv/us_news_shows

  161. MSNBC is replaying the actual footage taken when the attach happened in the same time frame 9 yrs ago..

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    I suppose MSNBC has the legal right to replay these inflammatory tapes, but I question their wisdom in doing so.

  162. Hillary speaks about democracy

    Secretary Clinton and Under Secretary McHale Present the 2010 Democracy Video Challenge Awards

  163. First Lady ashamed of America is giving a speech on CNN. Mrs. Bush gave a heart wrenching speech.

    Turndown, Reliving this event every year must give the Muslims in Afganistan a victory, but we can’t burn a couple of Koran’s. It’s much better to show sorrow at this time instead of strength.

  164. I have not been paying nearly enough attention to the pastor controversy which has apparently consumed the limited imagination and limited intelligence of our beloved big media through several news cycles. (This was of course purposeful on my part.) Hence I do not know exactly where it is at. But based on what I think I know about all this, it seems to me that if Reverend Jones wants to get off the hook all he has to do is i) call a press conference, ii) pray for the Americans who died on 9/11, iii tell Obama personally that 9/11 must be turned into a national day of remembrance, iv) renew his call that in the name of those who died, no mosque at ground zero, v) and say God has whispered in his ear to stand down. That would preserve his position nicely. He could even say something which would be a headline grabber like there has been too much burning–god has told him that too. And if he did that it would also leave the Fraud holding the bag, because his ego will not allow him to accept the idea of a holiday when it was offered by a right wing Christian (as opposed to a left wing terrorist, once he is Mirandized), and that would feed the political flames which are now licking at his heel and provide further proof that Barack Hussein Obama is the enemy of the American People.

  165. NBC’s “Meet the Press” — White House adviser David Axelrod; former Mayor Rudy Giuliani, R-N.Y.
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    That is the one to watch. I think Rudy will use it as a platform to attack the administration for it failure to protect the country post 9/11. If he doesn’t he is missing an opportunity. Also, he can rip the lying throat out of Axelrod. If he doesn’t he is missing an opportunity. And he needs to kick Gregory in the balls when Gregory tries to double team him.

  166. @Canaan “He[Obama] should have sent Rahm to NY on the down low to twist Cordoba’s arm, force a compromise relocation, then set up some face-saving publicity stunt for Cordoba.”
    —–
    I wonder why Obama didn’t do that (not the down low part, LOL, but pick up the phone and call the Cardoba guy). He would have to know who the people involved in this are and where the money is coming from. He could have nipped it in the bud. But this expectation assumes Obama cares about this country and its people and its troops. He does not. He is a community organizer and as long as chaos and confusion reigns, his incompetence will not show.

  167. #
    turndownobama
    September 11th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    MSNBC is replaying the actual footage taken when the attach happened in the same time frame 9 yrs ago..

    ——————

    I suppose MSNBC has the legal right to replay these inflammatory tapes, but I question their wisdom in doing so.

    ………………………..

    WTF…thats history as it happened, what is your problem. Why the hell should they not show them?

  168. MO’s speech sucked…she’s no better than hubby…without teleprompter’s neither are worth listening to.
    While she was giving her speech, the only thing I thought about was “for the first time in my entire life I am proud of my country”, and today she says in 2001′ she was proud of her country….so which is it MO, when exactly were you proud???

  169. Oh brother, CNN is now on the mosque with a lady that lost her muslim son on 9/11. Lets just keep these fires burning….but blame the southern republicans.

  170. Gregory is like Obama. He is a dog. Ergo what Rudi needs to do at the beginning of the interview (debate) is rap him on the nose with a newspaper when he does something bad, to let him know who is boss.

    Let Castro be the one to vouch for Obama. But bear in mind Castro has dedicated his entire life to destrcoying the United States, so much so that the Khrushchev biography talks about how the Russians were worried that Castro would fire nuclear weapons at us and kept a contingent of Russians there to make sure things did not get out of hand. Thereafter, Castro supported revolutions against America and its allies from the horn of Africa to the Middle East.

    Why would a sworn enemy of the United States who has devoted his life to our destruction support Barack Huessein Obama. Is it because he admires his flabby abs like WashPo does? Or is it because he knows Obama and him share similar designs. To answer that question, you would need a pair of psychiatrists–one for Fidel and one for Barack.

  171. This was a comment on another blog: “You’d like to think that 9 years has been enough time for the moderate parts of Islam to have made some observable progress in purging out the immoderate. But no.”

    No, in these 9 intervening years, an Imam and his corrupt cronies raised enough money to buy a property near Ground Zero (they would have bought one if one was available right on top of GZero) and started a plan for a massive Muslim mosque. And when asked for the rationale they were AWOL. Even the Muslims in NY were perplexed why there was not a cohesive and convincing defense/argument of why the Imam started this project at that location. In one NY Muslim supporter’s words, he supported the mosque but he was not going to carry water for the Imam. I think all this was a premeditated effort to cause what is exactly happening today. The more they show people protesting against ‘Islam’, these bastards, corrupt Muslim politicians, gain ground. That is their MO.

  172. Gregory is an idiot. His wife used to be a DNC higher up. I had at least some respect for Tim Russert. David Greogory is a f**king idiot, nothing but an Obama hack.

  173. ICFI review of the Obama Press Conference:

    “Obama press conference on the economy: An exercise in demagogy and lies
    By Barry Grey
    11 September 2010

    (snip)
    “The news conference, the first since May, topped off a week of demagogy and shameless lying that began with a Labor Day speech in Milwaukee and continued with a Wednesday speech on the economy in Cleveland.

    Obama and his handlers have evidently decided that the best way to confront rising anger over the administration’s refusal to provide jobs or serious relief for the unemployed is to use the Big Lie technique—presenting pro-corporate policies as their opposite, touting deepening crisis as “recovery,” and citing the reactionary nostrums of the Republicans to justify the White House’s own right-wing program.”
    (snip)
    One can only wonder whether Obama believes that the American people have forgotten the actual record of his administration: his multi-trillion-dollar bailout of Wall Street, his intervention to block legislation limiting bankers’ pay, his insistence that newly hired General Motors and Chrysler workers’ pay be cut in half, his refusal to bail out bankrupt state and local governments, his rejection of any public works programs to actually create jobs, his health care “reform” that slashes hundreds of billions of dollars from Medicare and rations services to working people, his attacks on teachers and public schools in the name of education “reform,” his banking “reform” that strengthens the grip of the biggest Wall Street firms and sanctions the forms of swindling that led to the crash, and his efforts to run interference for the corporate criminal BP.
    (snip)

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/sep2010/obam-s11.shtml

  174. This was a comment on another blog: “You’d like to think that 9 years has been enough time for the moderate parts of Islam to have made some observable progress in purging out the immoderate.”

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    In 9 years, the US has been ‘recruiting’ for the immoderates by bombing Iraq and Afganistan — and by the sort of rhetoric many USians are using now against all Muslims or against ‘Islam.’

  175. turndownobama, you never fail to amaze me with your off the cuff, run of the mill remarks. Limit yourself to the current mosque brouhaha and how and why it started and where we are today. You sell your own citizens short — there were no protests against Muslims, there were no Mosque/Koran burnings in these 9 years after 9/11. If anything Americans went out of their way to not take it out on Muslims here and make them feel at home. But then came Obama with his Muslim apology tour and touting he would save the Americans from ill reputation and now the Imam comes along with this mosque idea.

    BTW, I am sick of your hare-brained and predictable comments.

  176. turndownobama
    September 11th, 2010 at 11:10 am
    This was a comment on another blog: “You’d like to think that 9 years has been enough time for the moderate parts of Islam to have made some observable progress in purging out the immoderate.”

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    In 9 years, the US has been ‘recruiting’ for the immoderates by bombing Iraq and Afganistan — and by the sort of rhetoric many USians are using now against all Muslims or against ‘Islam.’

    Are you saying that the US was wrong in bombing Afghanistan? If rhetoric is enough to make terrorists out of Muslims, then what is at fault here is the religion itself. Muslims did not attack the US because of any slight, these Muslims attacked because the US existed. The existence of a successful, prosperous and SECULAR country is an upfront to Muslims who closely follow their Prophet Mohammed.

  177. So, I see CNN is really pushing the 9/11 Ground Zero Victory Mosque. Build it or else!!
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    This is what Tom Sowell wrote about in his book The Vision of The Annointed. That world view permeates the media, academia and wealthy, who more often than not are insulated personally from its consequences. This view holds that if there was better understanding between nations then the lion would lie down with the lamb. We do not need deterrence or weapons. We need to show them respect and build their self esteem. Chamberlain summed it up nicely when he said I can deal with Mr. Hitler, and what I have in my hand is a piece of paper he has signed which guarantees peace in our time. Part and parcel of this mindset are mascots chosen by the elites which symbolize their world view. This mosque at ground zero is merely the latest example. And anyone who does not see it as we do is either ignorant or malicious. Time and again the elites have force fed their views to the American People. And each time they prevailed failure and in some cases disaster ensued. It never occurs to them that as a practical matter this mosque will be viewed as a sign of capitulation by the Arab street. The reason CNN is interested in the Jones matter is because it wants to portray him as the prototypical opponent for the mosque just as they combed through the tea party crowds to find someone who was over the top so they could present that individual as the prototypical member of that group. Ultimately this is a battle between the elitist prigs to control the direction of society, and to throw the American People under the bus. We cannot allow that to happen.

  178. Obama is still playing the community organizer, the only thing he seems to know. He wants to rile up the opposing factions and then swoop in as a savior. But that latter part on this national/international scale is not working because he never had it in him and he was that incompetent.

  179. pm317,
    Read comment at 11:04 and I am sure you will never to deign to respond to another predictable comment. Do not feed.

  180. Right, Henry. I am sick of these fucking lefties lecturing us on what is wrong with America. I guess it makes them feel superior when they do that.

    I have seen many parts of the world and lived in two major democracies and tried to use my experience in saying what I do. But these fuckers seem to think they have the right of ownership on everything that is chaste and ideal. No, they don’t.

  181. In 9 years, the US has been ‘recruiting’ for the immoderates by bombing Iraq and Afganistan — and by the sort of rhetoric many USians are using now against all Muslims or against ‘Islam.
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    All stories lend themselves to more than one interpretation. Take the story of the Indian Wars. If you view it from the perspective of the white settlers it was a quest for land and opportunity. If you look at it from the Indian perspective which is to say looking east you get an entirely different perspective. For them it was a matter of preserving their traditions, protecting the Buffalo, and not ending up on a reservation. History is always ambiguous in that sense.

    How can our attack on Iraq not have the effect on Muslims that Turndown describes? If this were precision bombing, if innocent civilians were spared, then perhaps it would be different. The euphemism for this is collateral damage. Furthermore it is their land that we invaded, without their consent. Finally, they have their traditions which are very different from our own. That does not mean the decision was right or wrong at the time it was made. We all have our views on that. But it does mean that the reaction of the Muslim world is both predictable and to a degree understandable.

    But building a mosque at ground zero does nothing to resolve that problem. On the contrary it makes it worse because the reaction of the American People is predictable as well, and so is the counterveiling reaction of the Arab street. This mosque is the height of folly by our benighted elites. It sets all the wrong forces in motion. It is in short a feat worthy of Neville Chamberlain.

  182. wbboei said:
    How can our attack on Iraq not have the effect on Muslims that Turndown describes? If this were precision bombing, if innocent civilians were spared, then perhaps it would be different. The euphemism for this is collateral damage. Furthermore it is their land that we invaded, without their consent. Finally, they have their traditions which are very different from our own. That does not mean the decision was right or wrong at the time it was made. We all have our views on that. But it does mean that the reaction of the Muslim world is both predictable and to a degree understandable.

    ================

    Iirc Hillary said in 2008 that if she had not been deceived by Bush and Powell as to the facts, she would have voted against the AUMF.

  183. THe republicans on Fox keep saying that the economy always thrives after the republicans take back the house and senate, just like it did in 94’….yeah, we will see…we had Bill Clinton then, we have the village idiot now!

  184. The framers of the constitution intended that there be three branches of government, two of which were popularly elected. The judiciary was of course appointed. Today we have four branches of government, and the fourth one is of course big media. They are not popularly elected either. Most people see their role in quaint terms–presenting the news in an objective manner so the people can decide what policies and leaders to support consistent with the equally quaint notion of representative democracy. Today, nothing could be further from the truth. Big media is determined to control the political agenda and for that reason they see the American People the same way that Madison Avenue does, namely a market to be exploited and manipulated They do this the way any advocate does, by hyping certain issues and ignoring others to reach a predetermined result. The worst offenders are CNN and NBC.

  185. pm317, You are on target today and I agree with everything you said today! Your adjectives fits those lefties perfectly!

  186. I too am sick of these lefties telling me I’m a racist and a bigot. I have muslim friends, known them for decades. They tried submitting an editorial to newpapers warning Americans that Islam is not just a religion, but a cause and an ideology, some like Bin Laden want to use violence to promote it, and then radicals like Imam Rauf want to use Aliksky like tactics, build it or else, to intimidate Americans. Of course the newspapers won’t publish it.

    Don’t tell me I’m a racist and a bigot for opposing a radical like the lunatics wanting to build a Ground Zero Victory Mosque where 3000 innocents were murdered!@

    If this is just an innocent community center, then why the hell would the muslim world care if its moved ot not? I’ll tell you why! Imam Rauf sold it as a MOSQUE in the muslim world, and then he is selling it as a little ol’ community center in America. That’s why he says, if its not built, America will be attacked. He sold as a mosque,seen as a victory mosque, in the Muslim world, and then essentially threatens America that if its not built, attacks will come.

    If he had sold it as a little ol’ community center in the muslim world, they couldn’t care less if it was moved.

    This imam is a radical, he speaks softly, but a radical nonetheless.

  187. He sold as a mosque,seen as a victory mosque, in the Muslim world

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    Where is your evidence for him selling it as a “victory” mosque? Do you have a cite for him using the word ‘victory’?

    He may have sold it to overseas donors as a ‘mosque’ because it will include a prayer space which is needed by Muslims who live or work in that area.

  188. wbboei, Afghan war was a reaction to 9/11 (and one could/has argue 9/11 is the result of something else Americans did)..Everything here is political and has nothing to do with religion. These lefties bringing in religion and intolerance, calling others they don’t agree with as bigots is distortion at its worst and the fact that they do it to their own is even more despicable. I have seen Muslims (2nd largest in the world in numbers) conduct themselves as responsible citizens in a democracy and why they can’t do that here in this new world, I don’t know. If anything we should encourage responsible behavior and not appeasement and eating your own to protect them.

    {I have to go now because it is a Hindu festival today and I a confirmed atheist have agreed to participate in it for my niece’s sake. So compromise and responsible behavior to foster harmony and well being are all good ideas (patting myself on the back, :)).

  189. So CNN and others have taken up the apology sword that obama keeps wielding. It is America’s fault that 9 11 happened. It is America’s fault that the terrorists are so front and center now.

    obama has a hell of a lot to answer for. Not the least destroying the dignity of a great nation.

  190. Turndown, How is it they need this space to pray and worship….I’ve worked with Muslims at hospitals….they simply go to the break room and face Mecca. I am a Christian and I don’t have a special place to pray while I work, why should they expect one??? When I go to church I have to drive at least 10 miles to go to a service….so why should the Muslims expect to have a Mosque right outside their front door…ANSWER THAT FOR ME???

  191. wbboei said:
    All stories lend themselves to more than one interpretation.

    ================

    Yes. The INTERPRETATION “victory” mosque is ATTRIBUTED to, projected on, some alleged street Arabs in some street far away. But sfaik, the term was brought into this issue by some US rightwingers.

    When one side offers to build the other side a free swimming pool, gym, meeting rooms, etc etc — that could more reasonably be seen as ‘tribute’ from the losing side to the victors.

  192. Jan H, your right and that’s what I’ve been saying…Obama’s wants us to apologize to these muslims for attacking our buildings and killing 3000 of our citizens….

    It would be like asking the Jews to apologize to Hitler for killing them…the way I see it.

    He has to step down, this nation is under such unrest with him at the helm!

  193. pm317
    September 11th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Have you ever gone to a Diwali Hindu celebration, I went to one, some of my past neigghbors were Indian Americans — Hindus, and I kept in touch with them even once they moved. They invited my family to something called a Diwali festival, I think it means “festival of lights” to fight against evil, etc.

    It was a beautiful festival, highly encourage anyone who wants to see this Hindu festival, I don’t remember when it it normally. Buts its definitely worth going to and seeing what its about.

  194. confloyd
    September 11th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Because its an idealogue as well, Hindus don’t do this, Buddists don’t do this, Christians don’t do this.

  195. Here is an idea that would help restore democracy. Today, in this administration, the line between big media and the executive branch has been blurred. If you apply the criteria of labor law, they look a lot like a single employer:

    1. common ownership and control: big media devoted roughly 90% of its campaign contributions to Obama, provided him with free coverage, conspired with Axelgrease to defeat his opponents, and in return they got exactly what they wanted which was access and influence. Simply put, they are two wings of the same bird.

    2. interchange of personnel: how many scions of big media have crossed the line to work in this administration. It is one thing for them to accept a job of Press Secretary, but they have moved en masse into the public relations department of the Obama Administration, over two dozen to date. And for every one of them who moves, there are ten more who hope to and will sell their very soul to the Administration in the fond hope that will happen.

    3. common control of labor relations, i.e. the agenda: Chuck Todd is a perfect example. He is a shill for the Administration–the prime apple polisher, ass kisser in the NBC shop. But he is hardly alone. He does nothing more and nothing less than parrot the party line of Obama, during the campaign and now in the Administration. Between people like him and people like Axelrod, there is a common agenda, which is to protect Obama at all cost. No ethics among cockroaches.

    If this analysis has any validity, then it cannot be good for our democracy. The question then becomes what can we do about it. I believe that if we took the rule that prohibits members of congress from going to work for lobbyist until a certain amount of time has passed, and applied that same moratorium to people moving back and forth between the executive branch and media then it would have the same salutary effect. We might even get fairer reporting, but that may be asking too much.

  196. tim, your wrong about that….I work with a Dr. who walks the halls praying outloud…I know Christians who pray at work and I myself and several coworkers have joined hands and prayed at work…we certainly do pray at work. I had church with myself on Monday at work…God is everywhere not just in a building! Allah I guess only comes to the Mosque…

  197. wbboei, What I also hate is how they are trying to butter up Hillary now, especially NBC…it makes me want to puke. Its very easy to tell they are doing it because she’s part of the administration and they really still don’t like her.

  198. Turndownobama……Showing footage is inflammatory?? To who exactly?? This is history. This happened. I recently watched ‘The Pacific’. It had lots of live footage. Did I hate the Japanese after watching this series? No, and I don’t hate muslims because of 9/11. However, I will never forget.

  199. confloyd
    September 11th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    you misunderstand me, there is no “special room” for christians, or hindus or buddists or jews… they sit and pray anywhere, they don’t need to be in a church, a temple or a synagogue. But in the muslim faith, they require and demand special treatment, i.e. a “special room” to pray.

  200. The only thing I can say about Hindu’s is that I would rather work with a Hindu Dr. than a Muslim Dr. The Hindu’s really do want peace, unlike the Muslims. Now I’m not saying all Muslims, because I know there are some who really want peace. Just saying the ones I’ve worked with.

  201. wbboei
    September 11th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
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    lol…you are absolutely right. How could I have missed that??? 🙂

  202. wbboei, What I also hate is how they are trying to butter up Hillary now, especially NBC…it makes me want to puke. Its very easy to tell they are doing it because she’s part of the administration and they really still don’t like her.
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    Absolutely right Confloyd. It is mawkish behavior from a bunch of sycophants.

  203. ShortTermer
    September 11th, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    D@mn, turndownobama, let them build the Victory Mosque in your yard if you love the idea so.

    ================

    Hey, a free swimming pool and gym and library! But I’m only 2000 miles from NY. Are you sure that’s far enough away from ‘Ground Zero’?

  204. {I have to go now because it is a Hindu festival today and I a confirmed atheist have agreed to participate in it for my niece’s sake.
    *********
    I don’t see a paradox…It seems as if being a “Hindu” has a large component of “ethnicity” in addition to religion. Same with agnostic/atheist Jews who celebrate Passover. A Roman Catholic atheist would be an oxymoron, however.

  205. wbboei
    September 11th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    ———————
    God forbid that obama and his thugs should allow compromise into the equation.

    Says a lot for his promise re partisonship…NOT.

  206. SHV
    It seems as if being a “Hindu” has a large component of “ethnicity” in addition to religion. Same with agnostic/atheist Jews who celebrate Passover. A Roman Catholic atheist would be an oxymoron, however.

    ==============

    I’ve heard that RC schools were great at producing atheists, though. 😉

  207. I hope that bill will not robo call for Rangel. Rangel is just no good and people like him must be purged from congress.

    That kind of politics is not what voters todday want to see and will hurt not help the Clintons.

  208. tim, I understand they are demanding….they us fear that people have of them to attain all these special things they want….they say if they don’t get the mosque they want there will be a terrorist attack…if we don’t get boots out of the middle east there will be a terrorist attack….if they don’t get all the feet washing places and mosques in colleges there will be a terrorist attack…we don’t get the Jews in line there will be a terror attack…

    My vision if there’s another terrorist attack in our country the middle east will be oblitterated!

  209. gonzotx
    September 10th, 2010 at 10:54 pm
    THIS GOV CHRISTI IS A WINNER
    ———————–
    Yes. And if I had to guess at this point who will be on their 2012 ticket, it would be him. He would at least be vice president.

  210. turndown, I am Roman Catholic and I’m no atheist…I don’t have a thing against atheist…to each his own is the way I feel about.

    THe Catholic church is a religion that takes a lot of effort and time to understand and learn, but if it wasnt for the Catholic church and their history and record keeping it would be hard to have a Christian religion. The Church has had and still has many faults, but it definitely helps the poor and the under priveledged more than any other church…Mother Teresa is the epitome of a good Catholic…not many live up to that standard.

  211. God forbid that obama and his thugs should allow compromise into the equation.

    Says a lot for his promise re partisonship…NOT.
    ———————————————–
    Mr. Obama is incapable of sharing power. He must be top “dog” and everyone else must fall in line. He knows or has reason to know that his party will lose the House at least in the upcoming election. All signs point that way now. In that case, he will have to deal with John Boehner as the new Speaker of the House. That being the case, what is the percentage in going around town like he does talking trash about Boehner’s skin color and saying that because he has a tan his skin color is unnatural, such that by implication is a flawed figure? Does that seem prudent to you if you must work with the man? This is yet another example of a sociopath doing what comes naturally. It is also a harbinger of what will happen if the Republicans win the House and thwart his agenda. He will proceed by executive order. And when he does that he may find himself facing impeachment. What makes this even more stupid is that Boehner is not a right wing ideologue he is someone you can talk to. But to a sociopath like Obama he is an implacable enemy and must be destroyed.

  212. confloyd said:
    When I go to church I have to drive at least 10 miles to go to a service…

    ===============

    Maybe that’s why you haven’t attended in a long time. 😉 So in your rural area, how long does it take to drive that 10 miles, and how many other Catholics are in your area?

    The Cordoba people expect 1,000-2,000 Muslims to use their prayer space per week (though not all at the same time). According to Fodor’s travel site, in NY
    it takes 3 minutes to walk an E-W block, 1 minute for a N-S block.

    http://www.fodors.com/community/united-states/how-long-does-it-take-to-walk-12-blocks-in-new-york-city.cfm

    So just a few blocks distance in Manhattan could be the equivalent of your 10 miles.

    If God is everywhere — then why does any religion need any stinkin churches at all? Maybe Cordoba should build a golf course instead.

  213. I like John but he has a playboy reputation. That is where the Obama thugs will attack him. That was the hidden meaning behind those comments about the tan. John was a former NCAA referee and has a concept of fairness that Obama will take advantage of. The guy they cannot attack is the Republican Whip. Eric Cantor. And he is a tougher opponent in my opinion.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Cantor

  214. turndownobama
    September 11th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
    ShortTermer
    September 11th, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    D@mn, turndownobama, let them build the Victory Mosque in your yard if you love the idea so.

    ================

    Hey, a free swimming pool and gym and library! But I’m only 2000 miles from NY. Are you sure that’s far enough away from ‘Ground Zero’?

    Answer:YES. Are you saying that no site is sacred? Do you agree that instead of rebuilding the towers, that we build a mosque on that land instead?

  215. I just made a personal vow. Every time I get annoyed by a post, rather than respond I will commit 15 minutes to working in some manner to make sure the dims lose the Senate. Not going to yell screw the swimming bull center- or waste my time arguing with some one who claims the cheers when the towers fell were clips taken from a sports match– going to contribute financial and personally to stopping the madness every time i get annoyed. For those who can I urge you to do the same. Worked with lots of affluent gay men for Hillary who went bambi. Armed with the wealth of info Admin has provided over the years coupled with the fact that it is the Log Cabin Republicans and Ann Coulter who have done something for gays i feel confident a voice will be heard.
    So please keep it up. Insult. Everytime I add 15 minutes more or 1/4 of what I make an hour until November to cleanse the dims,

  216. tim
    if not fifteen minutes a buck or .50 to the candidate who needs it to oppose the dipshits.
    I do not like Toomey but I sent off a decent donation yesterday. I think a better way to deal with individuals who seem hell bent on creating a negative vibe is to say Thank You you just got me to contribute to Toomey or whatever candidate you choose. Post away, but remember each time you do you are hurting your own cause.

  217. We are about ready to Impeach the wizad of odd unless he resigns so let us get to work on the “DRAFT Hillary” movement.Please repeat after me “DRAFT HILLARY”
    “DRAFT HILLARY”

    “DRAFT HILLARY”
    “DRAFT HILLARY”

    I am too old to worry about many things but the thought of seeing Hillary sworn into the Office of the POTUS keeps me hoping to arise each day and to keep fighting for this
    brilliant world leader waiting
    to save or democracy.

  218. henry — I wanted to thank you for your posts about Ann Coulter’s books. I couldn’t stand the woman, but since 2008, my eyes have been opened. She has a wicked sense of humor, I started reading one of her books recently, and many items made sense, many I didn’t agree with it, but I was amazed how much I was laughing.

    And then I saw that she would be headlining the GOProud events this year, and again, my view of her has changed, somewhat more on the positive side.

  219. We are about ready to Impeach the wizad of odd unless he resigns so let us get to work on the “DRAFT Hillary” movement.Please repeat after me “DRAFT HILLARY”
    “DRAFT HILLARY”

    “DRAFT HILLARY”
    “DRAFT HILLARY”

    I am too old to worry about many things but the thought of seeing Hillary sworn into the Office of the POTUS keeps me hoping to arise each day and to keep fighting for this
    brilliant world leader waiting
    to save or democracy.
    ————————-
    Bumper Sticker Suggestion: Save America: Draft Hillary and Dump The “Dog”

  220. tim
    Three years ago I dismissed so much. I equated the term conservative with evil and liberal with good. I have learned sooooo much since walking my niece through the zoo and referred to as a racist because I had a Hillary sticker on my jacket.Thirty fortyish liberal women felt the need to break social protocol to diminish me and falsely accuse me of something in front of a child and other people and do it in the name of being a liberal. Huh?

  221. This is obviously a “message” from the Obama Ministry of Propaganda delivered via a reliable MSM shill.
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    Yup. I think Meecham is still running that shop. He is a Meerschaum Pipe smoking elitist who epitomizes the vision of the anointed discussed above . A Blame Israel first (when he cannot blame America first) meme would be right up his alley. He thinks he is putting pressure on Israel to reach an settlement agreement, when all he is really doing is sending a counterproductive message to the Arab world–holy shit he never thought of that now did he?

  222. tim
    It seems to me that the only voices I can agree with on the republican/slash side are the women. Coulter, Ingahram and Malkin click with me on some levels but none of the men with the exception of Charles Krautheimer(no way I can spell his name) do. If you have a suggestion I would love to give a read.

  223. Since I am not permitted to change my handle Please refer to me in any comments as ABM92
    it is the truth and a feel good thing to be apatriot and a surviver.

    Thanks gang ABM92

    P.S. This quote from Hillary fuels my daily existence.

    “If you lose the mental game,
    you lose the physical as well”

  224. henry
    September 11th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Yes, me as well. I am much older than you, and I considered myself an old-school JFK dem. Liberal, classical liberalism used to mean liberatarian (less govt, 10th amendent, so each state can do its own thing, people left alone), but now liberals are just radical nutjobs.
    I’m finding most Independents are either libetarian or right of center or sometimes left of center (on social matters left of center.)

    After what I saw in 2008, I will never be calling myself a dem anymore.

  225. henry
    September 11th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Certainly. Most of the conservatives I agree with are women as well, for me, I always used to considered myself a conservative dem mainly because I am a fiscal, defense, adherance to small govt and US Constitution/founding priciples type conservative.

    I do remember reading some articles that might be of interest to you, if I have saved them, I’ll make sure to post them for you.

  226. tim
    I still have no idea what a progressive, liberal, or conservative is. I have asked. i don’t agree or like the definitions i have been given. private charities are a billion times more effective than government run, but what is the perception. i don’t know.

    I do know, however, for the past few years I have encountered people on blogs who allow themselves to get pulled into arguments with individuals whose intent was to bait and then post the response on other websites for some childish juvenile kicks. Egg em on make them say something stupid and then quote from a site.

    Don’t do it. Know who to ignore and give a little time or a little money but do not engage. It is not worth it.

  227. tim
    I have read your frustration.
    Next time instead of responding to some one with a name like turnuppalin say thank you made a donation in your name.

  228. ABM92, I really like that term, “the wizard of odd”, it fits the jackass rather well. DRAFT HILLARY, DROP THE DOG!

    I do hope if he doesn’t resign soon for health reasons, which I personally think he’s sick, then I hope Boerner starts the preceedings.

    Wbboei, I hadn’t realized Obama was running around commenting on his tan….if we’d said anything about his color…can you imagine the grief we’d get??? That is what is lopsided in all this controversary….Obama can laugh at people’s tan… Obama can make fun of Hillary, but she dare not say anything against him and the muslims can burn Bible’s and people and we can’t burn their Koran…you know there is something terribly wrong here.

  229. Fox is now doing eye witness accounts from some of the survivors, its hard to watch these accounts. If you have ever been close to death you can identify with their story. I almost lost my life in a Hurricane in 1970 as my mom’s house fell around us…so I sure can empathize with that fear they felt, when there is nothing left to do except pray. We had hard core atheists in our house as it fell and they prayed out loud right along us. It really is amazing what happens to people when they think they are about to die.

  230. Oh PUL-LEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This friggin PROVES you do not know Manhattan at all!!!!!!!!!

    “According to Fodor’s travel site, in NY
    it takes 3 minutes to walk an E-W block, 1 minute for a N-S block.

    http://www.fodors.com/community/united-states/how-long-does-it-take-to-walk-12-blocks-in-new-york-city.cfm

    So just a few blocks distance in Manhattan could be the equivalent of your 10 miles.”

    Why don’t you try visiting first, going down and seeing with your own eyes what is left of the WTC, feel the ever-present tragedy emanating from that place before you keep making such absurd statements!

    Many of us on this blog have lived and worked in Manhattan and know many people who died there or, rather, were murdered there. Do you?

  231. If We Don’t Build It, They Will Kill You?

    http://blogs.forbes.com/claudiarosett/2010/09/10/if-we-dont-build-it-they-will-kill-you/?boxes=opinionschannellatest

    As for the message Rauf’s words might impart to the many Americans who oppose his project, his warning doesn’t sound like bridge-building. It sounds like blackmail.

    ……..

    Instead of warning Americans to toe his line or brace for something “very, very, very dangerous,” Rauf could quite as easily have devoted his air time to backing down and issuing a public call for tolerance from that same Muslim world.

  232. I’m only 2000 miles from NY. Are you sure that’s far enough away from ‘Ground Zero’?

    —–

    Answer:YES.

    =================

    Glad to hear you draw the line somewhere. What about Kansas?

    What’s the minimum distance that would satisfy your faction?

  233. The wizzard of odd is now experiencing the Dog Days of August.Lets present him with afree membership to a kennel club and start impeachment training for this poor excuse for a world leader.

    “DRAFT HILLARY” The best known and respected woman in the world. 73% approval rating and rising.

    ABM92 thanks you all for the kind remarks for my efforts to set things straight for our country and the world suffering from Otrauma Syndrome.

  234. I have been reading all the comments on the last two posts (brilliant by the way Admin).

    I only have this to say, as I must go to bed to work 12 hrs in the am…I don’t see Islam as a faith. I don’t. It is a barbaric political tool, and if allowed to grow it’s tentacles unchecked, will destroy western civilization as we know it.

    Good night.

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