Hillary Clinton Launches A MIRV Into Obama-Land

Call it dueling speeches. Hillary Clinton spoke about foreign policy today in a widely publicized speech. Barack Obama held another publicity stunt to do whatever it is he does but which only the Hopium addled care about anymore.

Hillary Clinton’s speech was supposed to be about foreign policy, and it was. But in the questions section of the campaign stop speech Hillary unloaded on Barack Obama in such a subtle, shall we say head diplomat way, that if she was talking about a foreign country said foreign country would end diplomatic relations, recall the ambassador and budget for fallout shelters.

Here is what the Obama publicity stunt speech was about:

“President Barack Obama, in a combative, campaign-like speech in Parma, Ohio, conceded that his policies have “fed the perception that Washington is still ignoring the middle class,” even as he castigated Republican opponents for “riding…fear and anger all the way to Election Day.”

The speech, at Cuyahoga Community College, was billed as a major economic address to unveil a new round of proposals to kick-start a flagging economic recovery. The president did introduce three new policy proposals the White House has been rolling out for nearly a week: $50 billion in additional infrastructure spending, a permanent and expanded research and experimentation tax credit and a measure allowing businesses to write 100% of their investment costs off their taxes through 2011.”

Obama is increasing the frequency and volume of his publicity stunts as economic doom foreshadows electoral doom this November. A Reuters survey of economists released today forecasts lower grown in 2010 and in 2011 which will not bring joy to Obama Dimocrats. As the bad results accumulate due to Obama’s bumbling and stumbling, Obama dances faster and flim-flams with greater verbosity. Watching this disaster unfold from afar is Hillary Clinton.

Today though Hillary Clinton did more than watch from afar. Hillary Clinton sent a precisely calibrated multi-warhead missile (MIRV) into the heart of ObamaLand. As the head diplomat for the United States Hillary Clinton has been very Hillary in the precision and judiciousness of her remarks.

For instance, Hillary Clinton has not discussed the Mosque of Doom in lower Manhattan because there are no overt foreign policy implications and because Barack Obama has already bungled that issue beyond repair. But on the burning of the Koran (Quran?) Hillary has remarked that it is “disgraceful” (we’ll have much more on the Koran/Quran burning later this week), a justified intrusion into the issue because General Petraeus has said the Koran bar-be-que will harm American interests.

But Hillary Clinton today was a marvel to watch as she skewred Barack Obama in language which was both disguised and naked.

“Seeking to reassert American power in a more complex world, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton declared Wednesday that the United States was still the best hope for victims of natural disasters and political repression, and for old enemies wanting to make peace.[snip]

Mrs. Clinton’s speech at the Council on Foreign Relations, heavily promoted by her office, seemed intended to send a positive message during an uphill election season in which President Obama is dealing with deepening economic problems. She alluded to those problems, saying that the federal budget deficit, if unchecked, would undermine the United States as a global power.

The sputtering economy, Mrs. Clinton said, “sends a message of weakness internationally.” She continued, “It is very troubling to me that we are losing the ability not only to chart our own destiny, but to have the leverage that comes from having this enormously effective economic engine.”

In that speech Hillary essentially recycled the “weakness” argument against Barack Obama. Hillary struck at Obama at his soft underbelly, the economy, which also happens to be one of her strengths and Bill Clinton’s strongest achievements (an achievement which today’s Obama Dimocrats hope will save them if they remind the voters of Bill Clinton’s, not Barack Obama’s economy).

We have written earlier that Barack Obama is at war with Hillary Clinton (see, Obama At War With Hillary Clinton And General McChrystal (The New Shinseki). We have also detailed how Hillary Clinton in 2012 can craft a winning message (see, Hillary Clinton 2012, Part I – The Hillary Message) even as Barack Obama has so damaged the Dimocratic Party that is sometimes appears nothing can prevent a Republican victory in 2012 as a coda to Republican victories in 2010.

We have noted that Hillary Clinton has repeatedly stated thatIt breaks my heart that 10 years ago we had a balanced budget, that we were on the way of paying down the debt of the United States of America...”

We have also noted that after Barack Obama disasters the way for Hillary Clinton in 2012 is to repeat “It’s The Economy, Stupid!” It does not surprise us that Hillary Clinton sees the same thing we do.

Others are reading the Tea leaves in much the same way we do. The New York Times coverage of her speech ended thusly:

“Mrs. Clinton’s speech comes at a time when her own visibility is back on the rise. The president of the Council on Foreign Relations, Richard N. Haass, ribbed her over persistent Washington chatter that she may swap jobs with Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. to bolster Mr. Obama’s chances for reelection (she smiled and almost imperceptibly shook her head).”

Those who forced Barack Obama on the nation are looking for ways to force-feed him to us again in 2012. They seek to save Mess-iah by attaching Hillary Clinton to him. But it won’t work. On many levels, it won’t work.

One of the chief reasons it won’t work is that by now all the suspicions many of us had about Barack Obama have been proven true. Hillary knows better than anyone that Obama is weak:

Hillary Clinton says deficit sends message of weakness

(Reuters) – The huge U.S. budget deficit poses a national security threat and projects a “message of weakness” internationally, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Wednesday as she urged Democrats and Republicans to tackle the problem.[snip]

But she again stressed the corrosive effect of the mounting U.S. debt, which she said threatened the United States’ ability to chart its own course in the world and sends “a message of weakness internationally.”

It poses a national security threat in two ways: it undermines our capacity to act in our own interest, and it does constrain us where constraint may be undesirable,” Clinton said in response to a question after her address to the Council on Foreign Relations think tank.”

It’s a masterful performance. From her perch at the State Department, the glorious bird chirps that Obama is weak, threatens America internationally, and that his policies weaken America across the board – domestically and internationally. It’s a domestic policy attack, a national security attack, an economic attack and all done in the most diplomatic of language right out in the open. Amazing.

It’s Hillary Clinton versus Barack Obama and George Bush on the issue of the economy:

“The U.S. budget deficit is projected to hit $1.5 trillion this year and has become a campaign issue ahead of November’s congressional elections in which President Barack Obama’s Democrats are trying to prevent big losses to Republicans.

Clinton in the past has said it was “personally painful” to see the yawning U.S. spending gap after her husband, former President Bill Clinton, ended his second term in 2001 with budget surpluses.

She said on Wednesday she had no wish to “relitigate” the reasons for the current budget crunch, but nevertheless pointed to policies enacted by Obama’s Republican predecessor George W. Bush.

“It is fair to say that we fought two wars (Iraq and Afghanistan) without paying for them and we had tax cuts that were not paid for either, and that has been a very deadly combination to fiscal sanity and responsibility,” Clinton said.

“So the challenge is how we get out of (it) by making the right decisions, not the wrong decisions,” she said.

‘NO FREE LUNCH’

Clinton, beaten by Obama for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, noted that in her current job she is “by law out of politics” and said the challenges ahead would need a bipartisan “detente” on key issues including a new nuclear arms treaty with Russia.

“Whether one is a Republican or a Democrat, a conservative, a progressive — whatever you call yourself — there is no free lunch and we cannot pretend that there is without doing grave harm to our country and to our future generations,” she said.”

That is as close to a campaign statement, a reason to run for political office as any ever enunciated. Hillary Clinton declares she is “by law out of politics” while at the same time making a political case for policies and a candidate which resembles to a Tea, herself.

[The full speech on C-SPAN is HERE.]

Dick Morris, no Hillary Clinton fan, echoes us today:

Has the Democratic Presidential Primary of 2012 started already? Is Hillary Clinton beginning to position herself for a challenge to her boss? Yesterday, Hillary fired what may have been the first shot:

She said:

“I think that our rising debt level poses a national security threat and it poses a national security threat in two ways: it undermines our capacity to act in our own interests and it does constrain us where constraint may be undesirable. And it also sends a message of weakness, internationally.

The contrast with her husband’s presidency is implicit: He balanced the budget and reduced the debt to the point where Wall Street fretted that there would be no more federal debt instruments to buy, leaving them without a safe place of park their money.

Hillary does nothing –nothing — without forethought. She plans every word, particularly when the words are critical of her president. By framing the “debt level” as a “national security threat,” she gives herself jurisdiction over budget policy and makes her comments about it appropriate for a Secretary of State. And by criticizing the debt level which her president has amassed, she sets up the basis for a fiscal/economic critique of his presidency.”

Dick Morris is absolutely on target when he states that with this speech Hillary Clinton “sets up the basis for a fiscal/economic critique of his presidency.” If Hillary Clinton does not employ her critique to challenge Obama, someone else will. Hillary’s argument is not only accurate and heavily publicized as well as a multi-targeted MIRV Hillary’s argument is the argument to use this election season to attack Barack Obama and Obama Dimocrats. We’re sure Hillary Clinton did not think she was arming all Obama opponents when she made today’s blast – after all she’s “by law out of politics”.



Morris continues to echo us:

“Remember that between the time George Washington took the oath of office and the day that Obama took the same oath, the federal government amassed $9 trillion of debt. And, in the nineteen months since then, it has piled up $3.5 trillion more! Debt is Obama’s big negative, the concomitant of his big spending stimulus package. Now he has Hillary Clinton criticizing it and, by implication, him.

Will Hillary run? She might. The scenario would go like this:

Step One: Obama loses both houses of Congress by record margins, throwing the Democratic Party into shock. Disbelief yields to recrimination and the party leaders begin to turn on their president.

Step Two: The popular repudiation of their president leads Democrats to question Obama’s leadership and his ratings plunge. Without a base of Democratic approval, President Obama’s ratings sink below 40% down into the low 30s.

Step Three: As it becomes clear that the Democrats will lose the election of 2012, more and more party leaders and the rank and file demand new leadership and look to Hillary to turn things around.

Who know is she will really run. She doesn’t know. She can’t know until she sees how low Obama falls. But remember this: If she does run, her candidacy started yesterday.”

Death, doom, destruction for Obama Dimocrats this November means the slight possibility for a ressurection of the FDR/Hillary Clinton Democratic Party. Vote wisely. Only utter death, doom, destruction at a political level will shake elected Dimocrats awake and into insurrection against oppressor Barack Obama and his Hopium fueled thugs. Vote wisely.

The Hopium fueled Newsweek says it is “Hillary Rising”:

“Remember Hillary Clinton? The most powerful woman in American politics has kept her head down for most of the first 18 months of her tenure as secretary of state. But she is also, at present, by far the most unscathed senior member of a badly battered administration. And the once defeated Democratic candidate may have, at present, the most promising political prospects of just about anyone in the administration, specifically including her boss, Barack Obama.

The president’s economic team is reeling, having failed at both bringing the nation out of its doldrums and sending a compelling message of hope or confidence to the country or the world. Obama’s political advisers are getting hammered right and left for transforming a golden-tongued political candidate into a tone-deaf leader. Even Obama’s chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, appears to be considering exile in his home of Chicago, with the mayor’s office newly up for grabs.”

Hillary kept her distance from the Obama slime. Hillary is “unscathed”. Hillary has the most “promising political prospects”. And oh, she wore pink!

“Clinton, by contrast, seems to be taking on a new public profile as bright as the salmon-pink suit she wore Wednesday to deliver what her staff giddily called a major foreign-policy address at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington. [snip]

A lot of new political talk is also swirling around Clinton, for the very reason that her boss is in such deep political doo-doo at the moment and she looks relatively popular. Much of the talk focuses on whether she will end up swapping jobs with Joe Biden—who always wanted to be secretary of state anyway—and take the No. 2 spot on an Obama ticket in 2012. Haass mischievously raised this possibility himself in his introductory remarks on Wednesday, wondering aloud whether she would follow in the footsteps of Thomas Jefferson and Martin Van Buren, both of whom served as secretary of state and vice president before becoming president.

“It worked out pretty well for the two of them,” Haass cracked as Clinton shook her head silently—but without issuing a denial.”

The dunderheads at Newsweek don’t get it – why would someone who is popular attach themselves to a “radioactive disaster”. Just ’cause she a girl, don’t mean she dumb, dumbasses. Even some Republicans and moderates realize what could have been and the disaster boob that is:

“Still, the unlikely prospect of a Clinton-Obama faceoff got me thinking. Maybe she could run. And more to the point, maybe she should run.

Sure, I’m a Republican who can hardly be trusted to offer objective advice to Democrats I’ve long lambasted. But believe me when I tell you, two years of Obama has even me seeing Clinton in a much different light than in 2008, when I thought the only thing worse than a new President named Obama was another one named Clinton.

My friends aren’t the only ones who think that Clinton should reconsider her vow not to run again. A dentist from Chicago has paid for a slew of Hillary for President ads that tout her as “one of the most admired women in our nation’s history.”

Even though I disagree vehemently with her political world-view, he’s right. Just as I’ve taken issue with some of the liberal attacks against Sarah Palin, I challenge conservatives to acknowledge that Hillary is exactly the kind of woman – accomplished, intelligent, successful and self-made – that we should encourage our daughters to look up to.[snip]

To be clear, I’ll most likely vote Republican in 2012. But Obama’s lackluster performance has suddenly made Clinton an attractive option for frustrated Democrats and independents. Add to that group of disaffecteds Clinton’s famously rabid supporters, and we might start seeing Clinton 2012 bumper stickers soon. And just imagine if she runs as an independent.”

Tunku Varadarajan sighs: “It is the growing sense that Hillary would have made a much, much better president than Obama.

As November approaches the Tea leaves will be easier to read for the dumbasses. The Hopium addled in Big Media and the Obama Hopium dens will finally witness what they have wrought to the once great Democratic Party. It will be an epic disaster and those fooled by Obama will either wake up or suffer another epic defeat in 2012.

Hillary Clinton launched a MIRV attack on Obama-land today. The first warheads will impact in November.

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298 thoughts on “Hillary Clinton Launches A MIRV Into Obama-Land

  1. They had to drag students into the unfilled Obama publicity stunt: 🙂

    http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2010/09/tri-c_students_recruited_to_fi.html

    With less than an hour before President Obama’s scheduled speech, 75 seats remained empty in the recreation center at Cuyahoga Community College’s Western Campus.

    So organizers went around campus and recruited more students to fill the seats.

    Student Jennifer Rahal, of Parma Heights, whose class was canceled today, was working on her art work in the coffee shop in the basement of the building when the call went out for more guests.

    After dropping off their stuff at a bag check, the newly invited guests cleared security and filed into the gym.

  2. Obama just implodes on himself, i mean stating the bloody obvious. I think he knows the game is up. He just sunk himself…stunning.

    http://www.hapblog.com/2010/09/obama-on-tomorrows-gma-if-election-is.html

    Obama on GMA Tomorrow : If The Election is a Referendum on the Economy, Then “We’re Not Gonna Do Well”

    ABC has released this clip of Obama on tomorrow’s GMA, Obama: “If the election is a referendum on -are people satisfied about the economy as it currently is, then we’re not gonna do well” (Video)

  3. This was a huge topic driving home and listening to the moderate republican host . He said Hillary was telling the truth and at the same time taking aim at Obama’s intoxicating debt ….very interesting how this will play out.

  4. Obama for Mayor! Send him back to the stockyards: 🙂

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-08/chicago-mayor-race-obama-should-run/

    He knows Chicago’s neighborhoods. He built a diverse coalition in a city sorely in need of new leadership. Maybe Barack Obama is in the wrong job.

    Richard Daley’s decision to retire as mayor of Chicago at the end of his term has thrown the city into a minor panic. After two decades in office, Daley is often credited with transforming Chicago from a racially polarized Rustbelt disaster to a flourishing global metropolis. Though widely admired for his vision and effectiveness, Daley has also been called out for his authoritarian streak, a pale but unmistakable reflection of the notoriously thuggish methods employed by his father in the same office. With Daley fading from the scene, there is no clear successor to inherit his patronage networks. And so there is a rare opportunity for the right candidate to build a new Chicago dynasty, and to set the city on a new course. So far, speculation has centered on Rahm Emanuel, President Obama’s hotheaded chief of staff, who has told anyone who’ll listen for years that he intends to succeed Mayor Daley. But as President Obama struggles on the national political scene, he should give serious thought to resigning from office and running for mayor of Chicago himself.

  5. Great that you jumped on this, admin. She outshines him everyday but it is heartening and encouraging when adversaries and supporters alike acknowledge it and give her her due.

    That first Q/A is revealing. She says more than what is in print — she says that there are a lot of people who know more about what needs to be done and who have a responsible view and frankly their voices are not being heard and it is a great disservice to our nation..(almost verbatim, starts around 43:20). If that is not an indictment on the current administration not using all resources at its disposal, what is?

  6. Excellent analysis, Admin.

    For one thing, if the media was focused on Hillary’s comments all day and not on bambi, obama and his toads are probably having a hissy fit.

    For another, I am so proud of this wonderful woman. She has no fear.

    Bravo Hillary!

  7. Did you notice how she formlated the response to that question so quickly during the Q and A. Either she planted that quesition, which is smart, or she did that on the fly (No Tele). Either way, it shows what an amazing politician she is and should be in the WH right now.

  8. Hillary is nnot only our national teasure she is a looked upon by world leaders as the the only person that can calm the fears that Obama is destroying any chance for world peace.It is time for America to come alive and start a “DRAFT HILLARY CAMPAIGN”Someone please come up with a bumper sticker that I will proudly display “DRAFT HILLARY”

  9. I think voters care alot more about jobs then they do about the deficit. I really don’t know how Hillary would go about reducing the debt, but if it doesn’t include rebuilding the economy, then I don’t see the point.

  10. mj, hillary’s point about fixing the economy is intended to cover competent fiscal policy that would reign in the deficit and provide jobs. I believe the idea is that a smart stimulus that is large enough and focused with strings attached would get people working and paying taxes. Yadda yadda.

    Competent. Fiscal. Governance.

    Something Obama has no fucking clue about.

  11. rgb44hrc
    September 8th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    I agree, and having read her full comment now, I thin she was talking about letting the Bush tax cuts expire to pay down the deficit.

  12. Even leaving aside discussion of what is good for the country, and simply looking at things from a sheer political strategy standpoint, Hillary is the Dems only hope for survival.

    2012 will continue to be a massive anti-Obama wave. It will be impossible to win without being “anti-Obama” yourself. The democrats have no one, and I mean NO ONE, not a single Blue Dog or other candidate who could credibly run as “the anti-Obama” in 2012. Only Hillary.

    Even for her it would be tough. The very fact that she held a job in his administration has to some degree tarnished her with his stink. Sorry, but it’s true. SOS has given her other exposure that is positive, but I have to be honest and admit the negative of it as well. However, given the rancorous 2008 primary that is common knowledge for voters, she is the ONLY one who could hope to have a shred of credibility running as the alternative to Obama.

  13. At any rate, she is so much better a communicating than Obama. Why doesn’t he just step down and run for mayor of Chicago?

  14. H4T, I think you are right on all counts, particularly this, “given the rancorous 2008 primary that is common knowledge for voters, she is the ONLY one who could hope to have a shred of credibility running as the alternative to Obama.”

  15. “Clinton, by contrast, seems to be taking on a new public profile as bright as the salmon-pink suit she wore Wednesday to deliver what her staff giddily called a major foreign-policy address at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington. [snip]

    ****************8

    Salmon pink…I think Hillary reads this blog!

  16. She would win if the freaking Dem party doesn’t completely implode. I am afraid they will/or have. Think about all those lock step Dem votes for all the hair brained schemes this congress has forced down the throats of Americans.

    If people vote character over party, she would win. Actually, she did for whatever good it did.

  17. We want reparation, reparation for the injustice that was 2008 primary, we want her in the WH. Reinstate what is rightfully hers and ours.

  18. You know what is really scary, Ariana Huffington now thinks she’s an expert on the middle-class. LOL. This is the same woman who in 2004 said, “noone cares about the economy”. If you look at some of her ideas on improving life for the middle-class, you can really see her rightwing roots coming out. Nice that so many liberals have picked her as their self-appointed spokesperson.

  19. On Greta, VA AG was talking about the challenge they are bringing against mandates for HCR. So mandates held unconstitutional the whole bill is invalid. He and Greta wondered why there was no severance clause and one guess was that the Congress was sloppy (and how about incompetent). Can you imagine anything like that happening with Hillary?

    @rgb44hrc September 8th, 2010 at 10:12 pm — you are right on. She was not just talking about debt and deficit.

  20. Ariana Huffington is no RIGHTwing. She is a bat-sh!t looney lefty that speaks for other bat-sh!t looney lefties. Do not dare pass Huff-n-Puff-in-stuff off to the right wing.

  21. ShortTermer
    September 8th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    No, she isn’t. She was married to a wealthy prominent gay Republican. She a wealthy elitist. Go back and look at the positions she took against Bill Clinton in the 1990’s. She is just anti-war, a so-called envirnomentalist(who owns two cars), and pro-Obama. The rest of her views, like pro-vouchers for education, are decidedly rightwing. She’s no lefty on middle-class issues. Of course, she has never been middle-class.

  22. Greta’s interview said that once Scott Brown was elected that the HCR could not be sent back for a vote, so it was made law without being written in legalese format that would hold up in court; but rather, was written in a format just to get the needed votes. There may have been intention to send it back but that was impossible once Scott Brown came on the scene as Vote 41. PM317, was it just me or was she almost giddy about this omission that may prove fatal in court? Oh Lord, I hope it proves fatal in court.

  23. Palin rubbing it in, haha..

    Book burning is antithetical to American ideals. People have a constitutional right to burn a Koran if they want to, but doing so is insensitive and an unnecessary provocation – much like building a mosque at Ground Zero.

    http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=427813493434

    Actually this argument manifested in another form when that Redeye guy said he would build a gay stripper club next to the mosque and the Imam said it was insensitive not realizing the irony of his own statement.

    Yeah, yeah, it is not a mosque, it is not in ground zero,.. blah, blah, blah, we know.

  24. ShortTermer, I think Greta was incredulous (or giddy) because it was so sloppy and stupid much like everything else with Obama.

  25. This really made me sad. Jesus, we invented the light bulb for God’s sake
    *****************

    September 08, 2010
    Overnight Open Thread
    —Maetenloch

    Welcome to tonight’s semi-half-assed hump day ONT.

    Last US Light Bulb Factory Closes

    After 120 years the US is now out of the electric light business thanks to new regulations on incandescent bulbs. The last 200 workers at the GE plant will be laid off and all manufacturing will now be done in China. Democrats are always carrying on about how Green Technology will save US industry, but it turns out that green tech isn’t so Green manufacturing-wise and China can still make it cheaper than we can. So thanks Democratic Congress of 2007!

  26. ShortTermer
    Question: How can our Hillary condemn one atrocity and not the other, i.e. condemn the burning of the Quarn but not the building of the mosque near Ground Zero? I guess I am not understanding this.

    =====================

    Burning anyone’s holy book is a complete negative: destruction. The community center in Manhattan has many positive aspects: swimming pool, gym, meeting rooms for everyone; removing a dangerous vacant building; prayer space for the nearby muslims; meditation rooms for other religions.

  27. Well, I am happy that Hillary is getting some positive recognition from some quarters that normally would not allow themselves to be seen admiring her. 2012 is going to be an interesting election. I don’t know if I can get myself to vote Democrat again so soon after 2008. 2006 was the last time that I voted solid Democrat, and right now, I don’t have a taste for that political brand. Hillary would have to knock my socks off with an economic plan that makes sense in order for me to support her. Right now, I would vote for Sarah Palin if she were to run in 2012. Hillary running in 2012 would put me in a political conundrum. I admire both ladies, but I really hate that Hillary is in the Obama administration. I suppose I should be thankful that she is as she brings some intelligence into foreign relations. I am not very happy with the Obama administration’s stance on Israel, and I wonder how much Hillary has to do with that stance. I guess I will just have to wait and see what happens in the next two years.

  28. This is the main reason why I came here tonight. I wanted to post something about Fidel Castro that struck me as amazing. He indicated in a conversation with a visiting American journalist that the communist system in Cuba does not work. I wonder what Chavez in Venezuela thinks of that comment? I also wonder what Fidel Castro thinks of Hugo Chavez? I despise both of the, but maybe Fidel has finally come to his commie senses. Here’s the story…

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_fidel_castro

    HAVANA – Fidel Castro told a visiting American journalist that Cuba’s communist economic model doesn’t work, a rare comment on domestic affairs from a man who has conspicuously steered clear of local issues since stepping down four years ago.

    The fact that things are not working efficiently on this cash-strapped Caribbean island is hardly news. Fidel’s brother Raul, the country’s president, has said the same thing repeatedly. But the blunt assessment by the father of Cuba’s 1959 revolution is sure to raise eyebrows.

    Jeffrey Goldberg, a national correspondent for The Atlantic magazine, asked if Cuba’s economic system was still worth exporting to other countries, and Castro replied: “The Cuban model doesn’t even work for us anymore,” Goldberg wrote Wednesday in a post on his Atlantic blog.

    He said Castro made the comment casually over lunch following a long talk about the Middle East, and did not elaborate. The Cuban government had no immediate comment on Goldberg’s account.

    Julia Sweig, a Cuba expert at the Washington-based Council on Foreign Relations who accompanied Goldberg on the trip, confirmed the Cuban leader’s comment. She told The Associated Press she took the remark to be in line with Raul Castro’s call for gradual but widespread reform.

    Since stepping down from power in 2006, the ex-president has focused almost entirely on international affairs and said very little about Cuba and its politics, perhaps to limit the perception he is stepping on his brother’s toes.

    Goldberg, who traveled to Cuba at Castro’s invitation last week to discuss a recent Atlantic article he wrote about Iran’s nuclear program, also reported on Tuesday that Castro questioned his own actions during the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, including his recommendation to Soviet leaders that they use nuclear weapons against the United States.

    Even after the fall of the Soviet Union, Cuba has clung to its communist system.

    The state controls well over 90 percent of the economy, paying workers salaries of about $20 a month in return for free health care and education, and nearly free transportation and housing. At least a portion of every citizen’s food needs are sold to them through ration books at heavily subsidized prices.

    President Raul Castro and others have instituted a series of limited economic reforms, and have warned Cubans that they need to start working harder and expecting less from the government. But the president has also made it clear he has no desire to depart from Cuba’s socialist system or embrace capitalism.

    Fidel Castro stepped down temporarily in July 2006 due to a serious illness that nearly killed him.

    He resigned permanently two years later, but remains head of the Communist Party. After staying almost entirely out of the spotlight for four years, he re-emerged in July and now speaks frequently about international affairs. He has been warning for weeks of the threat of a nuclear war over Iran.

    Castro’s interview with Goldberg is the only one he has given to an American journalist since he left office.

  29. One of Boxer’s aide’s carrying in some weed…my goodness…what the heck are they doing all day? They have their own bath house complete with weed…no wonder nothing gets done. Through in Nasty’s GreyGoose Vodka…looks like its partytime on the hill everyday.

  30. Hmmmmmm?
    Let me follow the reasoning. The pastor should not burn the books because it is insensitive and offensive and might draw negative reactions from those who are radical, but the “community center” should be built without consideration for offensiveness or insensitivity because we have freedom of religion. I ask would the book burning be taking place if the mosque had not been proposed had not ignited the fury.

    I hope the pastor waits til September 10th and says just kidding wanted to show how hypocritical the sad lame stream press is.

    The pastor is attacked, the imam is applauded by the silly talking heads. Both are offensive.

  31. pm317
    September 8th, 2010 at 11:37 pm
    ☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻

    Ooooh. That was a good line by Sarah! Very sensible.

  32. I think Hillary is getting positive press because she is one of very few who carries a positive association for the dims. She was no more stellar than she has been all along. When nearly the whole party looks like a bucket of pelosi- accentuate the positive.

  33. The pastor also had his congregation in Germany working for him for free in some sort of export business until the folks there reported him. In England, his congregation was looked into by a Protestant church official in charge of investigating cults, and they said he was delusional. He’s a real whacko.

  34. So burning the Koran is a complete negative… destruction. Let’s apply the same logic to the burning of the Twin Towers, and the 3000 people who perished inside them. Total destruction that nearly sent the country into a recession.

    Although I suspect that the burning of the Koran will ignite hostility, I support the free speech of the pastor. I would not do this myself, but it’s his right as an American. Additionally, it is not uncommon for the Bible to be set ablaze in Islamic lands. Islamic Hypocrisy 101.

    http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2010/09/muslims_burn_bibles_routinely_and_often.html

    Do you, dear reader, recall reading any of the following headlines:

    •2005: Saudi Arabia Desecrates Hundreds of Bibles Annually 1

    •2006: Muslim Students Urinate, Spit On Then Burn Bible 2

    •2007: Christians in Gaza Fear for Their Lives as Muslims Burn Bibles and Destroy Crosses 3

    •2008: Muslims burn Bible in Pakistan 4

    The truth is, it happens every day somewhere in the world. Do you know why we don’t hear of it here? Two reasons:

    1.The Liberal Media does not like reporting anything critical of Islam (recall the cowardice of our newspapers in not publishing the Danish Cartoons)

    2.If our newspapers had to print barbaric acts committed by Muslims on a daily basis there would be no room to print the local news.

    For centuries the US has been nicey-nice to these vicious animals. When is the Golden Rule going to kick in? When are we going to get treated as we have treated them?

    Muslims don’t burn Bibles? That’s funny. That’s just another Muslim myth.

    By the way, there is a variation of the Golden Rule in Islam: Mohammad in his Farewell Sermon said, “Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you.” Real original thinker, that guy.

  35. His mental acuity is not what is in question. This was started because of the “community center”. Nine years after the fact and I cannot remember one islamaphobic event taking place on the anniversary. This is a reaction to what more than half of the country find as reprehensible. Knowing how divisive the issue is why does the man of peace not stand down. The members of this church are not killing people they are burning a book.
    The coverage of fifty people burning a book by the media is biased and absurd. No one is being physically harmed by the action. Build a moslem themed community center at ground zero and couric insults you on the evening news for having an opinion about it.

    I hope it doesn’t happen, but I believe it is a reaction to the insensitivity on the part of the community center. And I am floored that people are now willing to blame this pastor for future violence against Americans without even considering the genesis of his plan.

  36. I do agree that to some extent Hillary’s involvement with the Obama Administration could be seen as a drawback by some, but remember, it was the Republicans themselves, such as Tony Blankley in November 2009, that gave us the best argument for why Hillary will not really be tarnished by being in the Obama Administration.

    1) She cannot be blamed for the economy and high unemployment. This insulates her from all of the Obama baggage. 2) As for foreign policy, while she has been the implementer and really, the linchpin keeping things from really falling apart….imo, she can reasonably explain shortcomings (if any) as differences between what she would have done (which she document from her 2008 campaign) and what she was permitted to do as a member of Obama’s cabinet.

  37. Sorry turndownobama, I agree with Henry’s and Nomobama’s logic. I so want Pastor Jones in Gainesville to make a statement like this: I will not burn books if you agree in turn that you will not build a mosque. Nuff said.

  38. nomobama
    Would this be happening if there was no proposed (what ever you want to call it) insult to America? Everyone and their mother and in angalenia jolie’s case everyone’s mother is calling for him to not excercise his right because it is offensive and will cause a backlash. Where were those arguments against the insult?

  39. Iirc, not all people perished inside the towers; some chose to jump to a quicker death from the windows of the Twin Towers while others, like first responders are perhaps dying a slow death as a result of the ash and air at the site.

  40. I think the whole plan for the community center was to instigate a reaction. I cannot believe that anyone would think that building it would have any other response.

  41. Sorry but I cannot jump on board with any sort of bartering between the Ground Zero Mosque and the Terry Jones Koran burning. To me, both are deplorable. The Ground Zero Mosque should be moved — quite frankly, the people behind the project should have shown a bit more thought before embarking on this hare-brained idea — and the Florida pastor needs to call off his book burning.

    Enough of this tit for tat bullshit — as far as I’m concerned, both Imam Rauf and Pastor Jones need to grow up and have the good grace to realize when their actions are NOT WANTED. To be honest, I can’t even begin to imagine why either of them would persist like this….both their levels of support are so marginal that you’d think they’d get a clue.

    I also read somewhere that Pastor Jones wants to burn the Talmud also at some point. This tells me all I need to know about him, which pretty much is that he is quite a piece of work. Hopefully he will find some sense, soon.

  42. Fifth Dimension
    I agree completely with you. Both are just doing damage. I am agnostic but I would never utter the phrase g_d Damn.
    It is disrespectful.
    The burning is wrong, the community center is wrong, the media coverage is criminal.

    My point was simply one of causation.

  43. nomobama said:
    So burning the Koran is a complete negative… destruction. Let’s apply the same logic to the burning of the Twin Towers, and the 3000 people who perished inside them. Total destruction that nearly sent the country into a recession.

    =================

    The community center is a gift to all the people of Manhattan, as deliberate contrast to the destruction of the WTC.

    Jones’ Quran burning stunt is like the WTC: all destruction.

  44. I also read somewhere that Pastor Jones wants to burn the Talmud also at some point.

    ================

    If he combined the events, he wouldn’t even need a match. 😉

    No, not really. As Rauf says, both groups are ‘children of the book.’

  45. No worries, Henry, I was just thinking outloud. Sorry if it came across another way.

    On another but related note, lately I have also been following Imam Rauf’s recent comments. He is making the tours now on the networks, writing in the NY Times etc…

    He is a definitely skilled talker, peppering his statements with likes of “If I had known it would cause this much strife, I would not have gone through with it etc etc”….but I don’t know, I see a red herring. It’s almost as if he thinks all he needs to do is say the “right” sympathetic statements. But, statements imo are not enough.

    If his remorse at the strife his actions have caused were genuine, he would act appropriately. He has not. Instead, he says that if he moves the Mosque, the radicals will win. (Notice how this an inversion of the mosque detractors’ argument, who said that keeping the mosque there will be a symbol to radicals…as I said, he is a skilled rhetorician.)

    But I would suggest to Imam Rauf that perhaps faith itself, and not “worldly” concerns, would require him to change his plans. I know that in many religions….to take someone else’s strife, someone else’s pain, on to yourself, is also a form of worship of God. If you ease someone else’s strife, you are in effect, doing what God would want, and thus honoring God with that action.

    Perhaps this is something the Imam should consider….and therefore, I remain alert and skeptical toward his carefully crafted “feel good” statements.

  46. first responders are perhaps dying a slow death as a result of the ash and air at the site.

    ==================

    And a bill to help them with their medical needs was voted down by the GOP last month. So now the media are all over this non-mosque non-issue instead of pushing to pass the responders’ help bill after all.

  47. The coverage of fifty people burning a book by the media is biased and absurd. No one is being physically harmed by the action. Build a moslem themed community center at ground zero and couric insults you on the evening news for having an opinion about it.

    ==================

    People will be physically helped by the community center: gym, fitness classes, etc. Certainly no one is being physically harmed by it. It will create jobs, too.

  48. http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-08/get-over-the-quran-burning/

    Get Over the Quran Burning

    As a Florida pastor plans a Quran-burning bonfire on September 11, The Daily Beast’s Asra Q. Nomani, herself a Muslim, says there are a few brutal passages in the Quran that need to go up in smoke.

    On the plan to burn Qurans this weekend, I say to Muslims: Let’s get over the symbolic insult and deal with the very real issues of literal interpretations of the Quran that are used to sanction domestic violence, terrorism, militancy, and suicide bombings in the name of Islam.

    Gen. David Petraeus has weighed in, saying that the planned burnings by the Rev. Terry Jones’ congregation in Florida will endanger U.S. soldiers fighting in Afghanistan. But I believe that there is something that endangers Americans and American soldiers even more: certain passages that—when read literally—pit Muslims against Americans and the West.

    We, as Muslims, need to tear a few pages out of the Quran.

    I believe the Qurans are being burnt because we, as Muslims, haven’t dealt sincerely and intellectually with very serious issues that certain Quranic passages raise, particularly in the West. These include verses—when literally read—that say that disobedient wives can be beaten “lightly,” that Muslims can’t be friends with the Jews and the Christians, and that it’s OK to kill converts from Islam.

    We, as Muslims, need to tear a few pages out of the Quran—symbolically, at least, by rejecting literal adherence to certain problematic verses.

    The Christian faith had to deal with problematic verses from the Book of Deuteronomy that sanctioned violence. Jews have had to confront rigid readings of the Old Testament that sanctioned stonings. Muslims, too, must re-interpret verses that aren’t compatible with life in the 21st century.

    Look at one literal reading of the 34th verse of the fourth chapter of the Quran, An-Nisa, or Women. “[A]nd (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them,” reads one widely accepted translation. Based on a literal reading, Saudi scholar Abdul Rahman al-Sheha concludes that when dealing with a “disobedient wife,” a Muslim man has a number of options. First, he should remind her of “the importance of following the instructions of the husband in Islam.” If that doesn’t work, he can “leave the wife’s bed.” Finally, he may “beat” her, though it must be without “hurting, breaking a bone, leaving blue or black marks on the body and avoiding hitting the face, at any cost.”

    Such appalling recommendations occur because we haven’t yet universally drawn a line in the sand, as Muslims, and said that this verse may have been progressive for the seventh century when women were supposedly beaten indiscriminately, but it isn’t compatible with the modern day, if read literally. Instead, we do something called the “4:34 dance,” suggesting that the light beating be the result of everything from hitting a woman with noodles (yes, you read that right) to a traditional toothbrush, called a “miswak,” from the root of a plant.

    The kidnapping and killing of my friend and colleague Daniel Pearl in 2002 forced me to confront the link between literalist interpretations of the Quran and their role in sanctioning violence in the world. For critics of Islam, these verses are the smoking gun that proves that Islam is intrinsically violent. These are verses such as At-Tauba (“The Repentance”) 9:5, which states that Muslims should “slay the pagans wherever ye find them” or Al-Mâ’idah (“The Table Spread with Food”) 5:51, which reads, “Take not the Jews and Christians as friends.”

    We need to reject literal reads of the Quran and recognize that these verses were communicated during specific moments of war, and they aren’t edicts for all time. We, as Muslims, must reject the notion that we read these words literally. To many, that would be an act of blasphemy. But, until we do, the literal words of the Quran will be used to rally hate against the faith. And that is why, indeed, Qurans will be burned by the small congregation of about 50 folks from the Rev. Terry Jones’ Dove World Outreach Center. It’s really just these particular verses that need to go up in smoke.

    Asra Q. Nomani is the author of Standing Alone: An American Woman’s Struggle for the Soul of Islam. She is co-director of the Pearl Project, an investigation into the murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. Her activism for women’s rights at her mosque in W.V. is the subject of a PBS documentary, The Mosque in Morgantown. She recently published a monograph, Milestones for a Spiritual Jihad: Toward an Islam of Grace. asra@asranomani.com

  49. Get Over the Quran Burning

    As a Florida pastor plans a Quran-burning bonfire on September 11, The Daily Beast’s Asra Q. Nomani, herself a Muslim, says there are a few brutal passages in the Quran that need to go up in smoke.

    On the plan to burn Qurans this weekend, I say to Muslims: Let’s get over the symbolic insult and deal with the very real issues of literal interpretations of the Quran that are used to sanction domestic violence, terrorism, militancy, and suicide bombings in the name of Islam.

    Gen. David Petraeus has weighed in, saying that the planned burnings by the Rev. Terry Jones’ congregation in Florida will endanger U.S. soldiers fighting in Afghanistan. But I believe that there is something that endangers Americans and American soldiers even more: certain passages that—when read literally—pit Muslims against Americans and the West.

    We, as Muslims, need to tear a few pages out of the Quran.

    I believe the Qurans are being burnt because we, as Muslims, haven’t dealt sincerely and intellectually with very serious issues that certain Quranic passages raise, particularly in the West. These include verses—when literally read—that say that disobedient wives can be beaten “lightly,” that Muslims can’t be friends with the Jews and the Christians, and that it’s OK to kill converts from Islam.

    We, as Muslims, need to tear a few pages out of the Quran—symbolically, at least, by rejecting literal adherence to certain problematic verses.

    The Christian faith had to deal with problematic verses from the Book of Deuteronomy that sanctioned violence. Jews have had to confront rigid readings of the Old Testament that sanctioned stonings. Muslims, too, must re-interpret verses that aren’t compatible with life in the 21st century.

    Look at one literal reading of the 34th verse of the fourth chapter of the Quran, An-Nisa, or Women. “[A]nd (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them,” reads one widely accepted translation. Based on a literal reading, Saudi scholar Abdul Rahman al-Sheha concludes that when dealing with a “disobedient wife,” a Muslim man has a number of options. First, he should remind her of “the importance of following the instructions of the husband in Islam.” If that doesn’t work, he can “leave the wife’s bed.” Finally, he may “beat” her, though it must be without “hurting, breaking a bone, leaving blue or black marks on the body and avoiding hitting the face, at any cost.”

    Such appalling recommendations occur because we haven’t yet universally drawn a line in the sand, as Muslims, and said that this verse may have been progressive for the seventh century when women were supposedly beaten indiscriminately, but it isn’t compatible with the modern day, if read literally. Instead, we do something called the “4:34 dance,” suggesting that the light beating be the result of everything from hitting a woman with noodles (yes, you read that right) to a traditional toothbrush, called a “miswak,” from the root of a plant.

    The kidnapping and killing of my friend and colleague Daniel Pearl in 2002 forced me to confront the link between literalist interpretations of the Quran and their role in sanctioning violence in the world. For critics of Islam, these verses are the smoking gun that proves that Islam is intrinsically violent. These are verses such as At-Tauba (“The Repentance”) 9:5, which states that Muslims should “slay the pagans wherever ye find them” or Al-Mâ’idah (“The Table Spread with Food”) 5:51, which reads, “Take not the Jews and Christians as friends.”

    We need to reject literal reads of the Quran and recognize that these verses were communicated during specific moments of war, and they aren’t edicts for all time. We, as Muslims, must reject the notion that we read these words literally. To many, that would be an act of blasphemy. But, until we do, the literal words of the Quran will be used to rally hate against the faith. And that is why, indeed, Qurans will be burned by the small congregation of about 50 folks from the Rev.
    Terry Jones’ Dove World Outreach Center. It’s really just these particular verses that need to go up in smoke.

    Asra Q. Nomani is the author of Standing Alone: An American Woman’s Struggle for the Soul of Islam. She is co-director of the Pearl Project, an investigation into the murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. Her activism for women’s rights at her mosque in W.V. is the subject of a PBS documentary, The Mosque in Morgantown. She recently published a monograph, Milestones for a Spiritual Jihad: Toward an Islam of Grace.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-08/get-over-the-quran-burning/

  50. turndownobama
    September 9th, 2010 at 2:01 am
    =================================

    The destruction of the Twin Towers was a gift of Muslim martyrs to their Muslim coreligionists throughout the Islamic world.

  51. The coverage of fifty people burning a book by the media is biased and absurd.

    =================

    They shouldn’t be giving Jones so much attention on his planned publicity stunt. All this coverage is giving people overseas the impression that the nasty thing has already happened, or will really happen.

    I hope a few fire trucks just happen to get an alarm to that address…. But much damage has already been done just by the coverage. (And by some USians actually defending Jones!)

  52. I can’t imagine how anyone in their right mind could put the “Obama Stink” on Hillary….she was screwed so badly by this man and his henchman….there’s plenty of evidence of the theft of the election. By the time she runs against him, the truth will come out about how he kept the knowledge of the law from delegates in 13 states that clearly says that pledged delegates must vote the way their constituents voted. He and Nasty should have to pay for the law breaking they did at the convention….if Hillary runs the truth will come out.

    Personally, I’m voting against all incumbents this November…republican or democrat. Its the only way to throw the bums out. Weed and bath houses in the House of Representatives is beyond my comprehension…no wonder they call this country the “Great Satan”. Satan lives in DC.

  53. I see Anderson Cooper has been dispatched to talk up the “Ground Zero Mosque”. I hate CNN. Obama’s network needs to be shutdown.

    I also found a way that Hollywood was able to funnel more money to Obama than the other candidates…it was thru the HopeFund,Inc. They would give Hillary, Biden, and Edwards all 2300. and then give 5000. to the HopeFund which is the Obama campaign…they cheated their asses off and now they are going to pay in November. Admin, I hope we are celebrating that night on the blog.

  54. I firmly believe that the proposal to build a mosque disney world at or near ground zero was nothing more than incendiary. He wanted it to happen. In nine years nothing major has happened against the religion. The business of terrorism is huge. People make money off of it.
    How do you feel about a gay no alcohol club with boys in jockstraps dancing on tables right next to the “community center”

  55. confloyd
    I am still stumped by Cooper? Don’t give a rat’s ass who he sleeps with, but I can remember thinking ten years ago this guy had guts and integrity.

  56. I agree with Admim’s comments. Before I saw them I wrote this:
    —————————————————————
    Only now is the utter depravity of big media beginning to be understood. They have erected a cocoon of lies around Obama to protect him from legitimate inquiry and just criticism. At the same time, they have gone to perverse lengths to destroy his political opponents, and to invade their personal lives like the worst of paparazzi and yellow journalists.

    We said Obama lacked experience. Whereupon Brian Williams laughed and told them who needs experience when you are brilliant like HIM and surround yourself with other brilliant people. Like whom? Well like me for starters. I thought you would never ask. You know many people mistake me for Walter Cronkite, but the truth is I am better looking, and-

    We said Obama was a fraud because he had someone ghost write his two fictional biographies, refused to produce his records documenting such things as his birth in Hawaii, his college records, his professional records, and spent over $2 million to hide them. Whereupon big media declared that this was irrelevant compared to his spindly arms and pudgy abs, and-

    We suggested that that Obama might be corrupt because of his shady connections to Rezko and Chicago crime lords, a black supremacist minister and a circle of radical friends who advocated violent revolution. Whereupon big media said he was just sewing his wild oats and only a racist republican loving scumbag would dwell on such minor indiscretions by a man of color.

    We said Obama is abusing his power, undermining the constitution, failing to enforce critical legislation, failing to protect our borders, ignoring national security and is fiddling while Rome burns. Whereupon, big media dismissed our concerns, told us our opinion does not count and force fed us an elitist narrative that made us want to puke.

    Unfortunately too many suckers bought the big media lies. Consequently, we need a new line of attack to penetrate their thick skulls. And by happy coincidence we now have one–he is bankrupting the country. That criticism is objective, quantifiable and resonates with the country which is deeply concerned with the economic future.

    The beauty of this argument lies in its simplicity. He inherited a recession and he is turning it into a depression. This is not the machinations of some right wing nut poised to spill his spoonful of brains before the snow flies, as MO fantasized to elicit sympathy. On the contrary, this is a self inflicted wound. The culprits are Pelosi, Reid and Obama himself.

    It is more than the economy stupid. It is an out of control man adding so much debt to the economy at such an vulnerable moment that it threatens our livelihood and our collective. At the same time it impairs our ability to lead the world, as Hillary explained to the Council of Foreign Relations and previously the Brookings Institute. This argument opens up a window of opportunity for people on both sides of the aisle.

    I stand by my prediction that in the fulsomeness of time, Barack Hussein Obama will be the most hated man in America. LBJ achieved that dubious distinction during the height of the Viet Nam. When an economic tsunami of his making hits this country, he will make LBJ look like a piker. At that point you will be able to knock over his political career with a feather. My abiding sense it is coming and at this point I doubt it can be avoided. Would that it were otherwise.

  57. turndownobama

    “People will be physically helped by the community center: gym, fitness classes, etc. Certainly no one is being physically harmed by it. It will create jobs, too.”

    So are you telling me that they want to claim this is a community center and not a religious sanctum? If that is so and they are getting any sort of tax break as a “community center” and not a religious center. They would be forbidden by law to have different rooms for different genders. The pool, the dining area the exercise rooms would have to be open to all. A woman can get in the elevator in a bikini? Two gay man can kiss poolside? Bullshit. They will claim a little bit and then expand. I just don’t understand how you can claim to be offering a swimming pool when men and women cannot swim together.

  58. I have two comments in moderation from 3:07am and 3:09am. Can one of the two be released from moderation, Admin? They are duplicates of each other, so only one needs to be released if you permit it here. I find this interesting when conservative students are asked to remove their table that had anti-Obama literature during a “club rush” in Florida.

  59. nomobama
    Completely within the individuals rights to diss me but I was reading another Ann Coulter book in a Starbucks in downtown Pittsburgh and a couple of young women told me after sitting next to me for half an hour as they got up that I was an idiot and they were quite smug about it. I just laughed. I love Coulter disagree more often than not but she is a rara avis. Did I spell that properly?

  60. I must be odd man out here because I place no value on the accolades they are giving to Hillary right now. The people singing her praises today are the same ones who wanted to bury her two years ago, which means they can and will turn on a dime. The question is why would they be praising her now. To me at least the answer to that question is crystal clear: they do not want her to run against him, they want her to lay down her political future for him, so that they are not embarrassed by the foolish choice they made in backing a loser like Barack over a capable leader like Hillary. Under the circumstances she would be wise to recall two statements from antiquity: first, beware of geeks bearing gifts; second, sic transit gloria mundi–all glory is fleeting–especially in their case. I hope she looks at this whole thing strategically, and does not settle for half a legacy when a full legacy for her which can only come from holding the top office is due and owing.

  61. wbboei
    I concur
    I think that they know it is a sinking ship and so many tied their lifelines to waffles.
    Love her or hate her Secratary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton has stood her ground. Her most recent recent speech which has Kissinger and others crawling out of the wood work to support is no different than what she has said since she entered the national stage as a New York Senator.
    I think in the history of politics only Jefferson is comparable to taking to the office the integrity, the wisdom, the intellect, the experience and the compassion that she would provide.
    She has never been silent. Cautious perhaps silent never.
    In 2007 she screamed on a national stage about a moratorium(sp) on mortgages. No one listened.
    I wish we could hold the press liable for the duplicity!

    Hillary was brilliant but no different than she always is.
    For Newsweek and the joke Times celebrating her says to me they are trying to get voters to associate with the last bit of dignity left int the dim party.

    Hillary could knock on my front door and as much as it pains me I will cast a vote for Toomey over Sestak. And do my best to get others to do the same or stay home.
    I invested 20 some years working voting for the Dims. They betrayed me not I them.

  62. henry, I hope you’ll take this as a compliment, but you sound as keen as another henry I’ve heard tell of. The Mosque is incendiary because many people react badly to it. Whether that reaction makes any more or less sense than burning the Koran or the intifada is only a point of view. This Imam is either a liar or an awful diplomat. Was Sharon really surprised by the reaction when he peed on the Temple Mount?

  63. Canaaan
    Was Sharon really surprised by the reaction when he peed on the Temple Mount?
    I have no idea what that is referencing?
    Have patience I am trying to learn.

  64. Barack Hussein Obama: a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that is not there. The name of the cat? WAMIRD. Hard to pronounce but easy to say: we are moving in the right direction. I see land where there is no land.–BHO. This fine article nails it. It is important to our future that no one be bamboozled about this. Obama lies. And Rome burns.
    —————————————————————————————————-
    Earth To President Obama, Adding Speed To Our Death Spiral Isn’t Helpful

    By Linda Anselmi on September 6, 2010 at 6:30 PM in Economy, Housing & Housing Crisis, President Barack Obama
    Happy Labor Day, Mr. President!

    Now can I give you some Main Street advice? Get yourself some new advisors. Maybe some earthbound ones. Because, after listening to your speech on the economy from the White House Rose Garden last Friday, I, along with most of Main Street America, got the distinct impression you live on another planet.

    “We are confident we are moving in the right direction.”

    –President Obama, September 3, 2010

    Seriously? Have you seen the polls? Wrong direction is so universally felt it bridges the partisan divide.

    Sixty-four percent (64%) of all voters say the country is heading down the wrong track

    –”Right Direction or Wrong Track (9/01/10)“, Rasmussen Report

    And as to the economy:

    Eighty-one percent (81%) of the public rates the county’s economic conditions as poor… Forty-four percent (44%) of people questioned describe economic conditions as very poor…

    – ”CNN Poll: Number of people who say economy in very poor shape on rise“, PoliticalTicker

    So where did your “right direction” “confident we” come from, Mr. President? Is the “we” the CEOs and upper management few whose salaries have barely felt the pinch of this recession?

    American workers, by contrast, are taking home less in real weekly wages [in 2009] than they took home in the 1970s. Back in those years, precious few top executives made over 30 times what their workers made. In 2009, we calculate in the 17th annual Executive Excess, CEOs of major U.S. corporations averaged 263 times the average compensation of American workers.

    –Sarah Anderson, Chuck Collins, Sam Pizzigati, Kevin Shih, “Executive Excess 2010: CEO Pay and the Great Recession,” Institute for Policy Studies

    Maybe the “confident” are members of Congress whose salary (not including the $1.5 million per member in discretionary office accounts, perks, travel expenses and health benefits) actually increased by $8,800 (more than 5 percent) between 2007 and 2009. While at the same time :

    The per capita personal income in the Unites States shrunk by more than half a percentage point, or $254, from 2007 through 2009, according to the U.S. Dept. of Commerce’s Bureau of Economic Analysis.

    2009: Per capita personal income, $39,138 – Congress pay, $174,000
    2008: Per capita personal income, $40,166 – Congress pay, $169,300
    2007: Per capita personal income, $39,392 – Congress pay, $165,200
    –Tom Murse, “Even in Recession, Congress Pay Grew“, About.com

    And could those “moving in the right direction” be the wealthy — many of whom are in Congress:

    The 50 wealthiest lawmakers were worth almost $1.4 billion in 2009, about $85.1 million more than 12 months earlier, according to The Hill’s annual review of lawmakers’ financial disclosure forms.

    Twenty-seven Democrats along with 23 Republicans make up the 50 richest in Congress; 30 House members and 20 senators are on the list.

    –Kevin Bogardus and Barbra Kim, “Wealthy lawmakers increased their riches as U.S. economy sputtered in ’09″, The Hill

    One thing the Main Street “we” are confident about, Mr. President, is that you are not listening to us. Because if you had, you never would have said:

    “The key point I’m making right now is that the economy is moving in a positive direction,”

    – President Obama, September 3, 2010

    Optimism and persistence are powerful tools Mr. President, but they need to be grounded in reality. The only thing moving in a positive direction these days are corporate profits. And profits are no longer attached to Main Street jobs (h/t Kevin Drum at Truthout).

    Once again proving the old fallacy that a rising tide lifts all boats.

    So tell me Mr. President, what is “right” about an economy that continues to bleed jobs?

    22 million Americans are now jobless. Add in those who are working part-time who’d rather be working full-time, and we’re up to 25 million.

    –Robert Reich, “The Great Jobs Depression Worsens, and the Choice Ahead Grows Starker“, Robert Reich Blog

    And to even get unemployment back to our pre-recession 5% will require:

    …the economy to generate about 17 million jobs — or about 285,000 a month for five straight years — according to Heidi Shierholz, a labor economist at the Economic Policy Institute in Washington.

    –Alana Semuels, “For many unemployed workers, jobs aren’t coming back“, Los Angeles Times

    Where is the “positive” when the three fastest growing occupations barely pay above minimum wage? And when the fastest growing occupations won’t keep a family of three above the poverty line?

    …wage of $8.28 an hour would earn an annual salary of $16,560, based on a typical 2,000-hour work year: That salary is just below the 2009 poverty threshold for a family of three.

    –Kai Filion & Andrea Orr, “Jobs … but low pay“, Economic Policy Institute

    And who can be among the “confident we” when:

    Bankruptcy filings rose 20 percent in the 12-month period ending June 30, 2010… According to statistics released Tuesday by the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts, a total of 1,572,597 bankruptcy cases were filed in federal courts in that period….Non-business filings for the 12-month period ending June 30, 2010 totaled 1,512,989…Business filings totaled 59,608.

    –”Bankruptcy Filings Jump 20 percent“, WebCPA

    Surely you don’t think home-owners who are losing their homes are “moving in the right direction,” Mr. President. And they are not the few:

    More than 2.3 million homes have been repossessed by lenders since the recession began in December 2007…

    –Alan Zibel, “One in 10 with a mortgage face foreclosure“, dallasnews.com

    Nearly 528,000 homes were repossessed by lenders in the first six months of the year, putting 2010 on pace to eclipse the more than 900,000 homes repossessed in 2009,…In all about 1.7 million homeowners received foreclosure notices from January to June, which is about one in every 78 US homes.

    –”US Could See Record 1M Foreclosures in 2010“, Newser.com

    Mr. President, our economy is not a bad rumor that needs to be squashed. Nor a mental health issue we just need to get over. We are not a nation of hypochondriacs or fear mongers or socialists. The American people are not looking for freebies or hand outs. MAIN STREET NEEDS JOBS TO SURVIVE.

    “We’re moving in the right direction…We just need to speed it up.”

    –- President Obama, September 3, 2010

    Earth to President Obama: Main Street America is in a death spiral. Adding speed to our downward movement isn’t helpful.

  65. henry
    September 9th, 2010 at 3:42 am
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    Well said Henry. I just hope the public is wise enough to see what he is doing. In 2008 they had nothing to go on but a blank slate and empty promises–unless they did there homework, and few did. Hence they behaved like rubes and voted him in. This was a hideous mistake. Now it is 2010. We have an actual record to measure him by. It is a record of failure and deceit writ large. In fairness, he may or may not be Satan. But there can be little doubt that he is taking the middle class down the road to hell. Montaigne said that road was paved with good intentions. We now know that is wrong. It is paved with Obama lies, and woe betide him or her that believes anything this bamboozler says. When people ask me whether Barack is more like Johnson, or Carter I tell them neither one. He is a new age version of Herbert Hoover.

  66. Barack is like Hoover in the sense that he is unable to deal with a growing economic disaster.

    Barack is unlike Hoover in the sense that Hoover was a patriotic American and an honorable man.

  67. Hillary4TX: “the democrats have no one, and I mean NO ONE, not a single Blue Dog or other candidate”

    This is what Taylor Marsh refers to as the “Hillary hole”. She’s been talking that way for about 6 months. I agree.

  68. pm317: “Yes! to DRAFT HILLARY CAMPAIGN..”

    This is what I was proclaiming the other day and got knocked down by Mrs. Smith and a few others. You’re supposed to wait for admin to give orders…

    For my part, I’ve been saying for months that, against my highest hopes, I don’t see the “window of opportunity” for Hillary in 2012.

    I have now changed my mind and can humbly say that my crystal ball has almost always been wrong and I’m very happy it was wrong again this time. The window is there and it has opened. Hillary herself has amazingly opened it and people from across the political spectrum are urging her to walk through.

    In addition to the TV ads, I hadn’t thought of the bumper stickers. At this point, “Hillary 2012” stickers would be cheaper and more effective. At this point next year, a “Write in Hillary” campaign could get under way if she hasn’t quit/declared herself…

  69. Dear Lord. The implosion of the bully thug Democratic president is growing exponentially. When a bully falls everyone turns on them at once. Are we seeing people who supported this sham because they were threatened, coerced, or just harangued into it but had grave reservations but kept their mouths shut out of fear? Are the go along to get along types finally sick of it? When the press finally covers a thoughtful, brilliant woman who obviously cares about the fate of the US and the entire world, and the bastion of elitist snottiness the Daily Beast runs stories that we would have been better off with Hilliary, AND the president should quit and run the most corrupt city in the country, then Obama is now officially a punch line. Leaders have to be respected and/or feared. Obama is neither and open season begins. I bet he quits because of health issues. Coward.

  70. I think it must be stated that the American voter did not give up on Secretary Clinton. How many votes did she get after the DNC and the powers that be cried its over, She kept on and in spite of the cruel jackasses who gifted us waffles so did the citizens of numerous states. One has to wonder how many more votes she would have gotten if the meme wasn’t all about bambi.
    All About Bambi
    Should be an off broadway play

  71. Perhaps this is something the Imam should consider….and therefore, I remain alert and skeptical toward his carefully crafted “feel good” statements.
    ———
    Fifth, that imam is no pious man. He was a ‘Rezko’ in NJ. He is a politician or a politician’s whore.

  72. hahahahaha, Henry.

    I’ll bet you ten bucks the answer to this question is NO!

    “do you even know lower Manhattan?
    Ever been there?”

  73. “The window is there and it has opened. Hillary herself has amazingly opened it and people from across the political spectrum are urging her to walk through.”

    ————————

    jeswezey,

    I want to believe it as well, but the cautious side of we wonders how obama and his thugs will choose to punish her now for this attack.

  74. “Burning anyone’s holy book is a complete negative: destruction.”

    ——————-
    On this one statement I agree with you. I just have to wonder why the burning of the Torah, the Israeli or U.S. Flag doesn’t warrant the same outrage by the media et al. Two wrongs don’t make a right, but the lopsided reactions to these events really bothers me.

  75. @Canaan:This Imam is either a liar or an awful diplomat.

    ————
    Yep, as if the Imam did not anticipate what the reaction would be to his mosque building initiative. He is a politician, he is a provocateur.

  76. JanH
    the disney themed mosque/community center is the same thing as the flotilla a few months ago. And the media is complicent(sp?). They are attacking the reaction and not the cause.
    Did you know the director of 2012 wanted to have a mosque(apparently they have a big one somewhere in the east) destroyed in the film as well, but was told if he did he could be killed. So he didn’t.

  77. JanH 9:02
    You are reading my mind. Why do we stand for the destruction of these other items, but the equal desctuction of the Koran is causing WWIII. We behaved the same when we lost our democracy at the Convention. Not one Super Delegate walked out, not one women stood up.

    It is my belief that we have shown we will not stand up. When a society displays this, in my estimation they are a prime taget for take over, mentally or physically.

  78. Dear Lord. The implosion of the bully thug Democratic president is growing exponentially
    =====================
    Right. It is as they used to say a race to the court house door. Inquiring minds wonder which will implode first: Obama or the country as a result of Obama? And the follow-up question is how do we get enough people to wake up and get him out of there before he destroys everything? That risk grows greater by the day.

  79. “The window is there and it has opened… and people from across the political spectrum are urging her to walk through.”

    JanH: “I want to believe it as well, but the cautious side of we wonders how obama and his thugs will choose to punish her now for this attack.”

    Yes, but the punishement could only come in a subtle, under-handed way, and I am confident that o and his handlers do not have the wile or time to find such an opportunity. It is even possible that they are unaware of what transpired at the Council on Foreign Relations. After all, it was only in the Q/A period and her answer to the question was perfectly straightforward and true; if questioned, Axelrod would probably find Hillary’s words to be perfectly normal. That’s what’s so brilliant about this MIRV: launched out in the open and no one can do anything to stop it.

  80. The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 23% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-seven percent (47%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -24 (see trends).

  81. wbboei
    September 9th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    You and I see it, now others are also. Everything the DNC has done this year is about 2012 and Obama. Others see it now as in this little gem titled Whatever Happened to Obama’s Army?. “This is totally about 2012,” Cook says. No fooling. “Several tell Time that OFA boss David Plouffe, who ran Obama’s 2008 campaign, is using the cash to rebuild an army for 2012 under the cover of boosting turnout in 2010.” Obama is rat&%$#ing the Democrats after they handed the whole enchilada over to him. There is no DNC. It is the Obama Chicago machine and no one matters but Obama.

  82. ony Blankley in November 2009, that gave us the best argument for why Hillary will not really be tarnished by being in the Obama Administration.

    1) She cannot be blamed for the economy and high unemployment. This insulates her from all of the Obama baggage. 2) As for foreign policy, while she has been the implementer and really, the linchpin keeping things from really falling apart….imo, she can reasonably explain shortcomings (if any) as differences between what she would have done (which she document from her 2008 campaign) and what she was permitted to do as a member of Obama’s cabinet.
    —————————
    Good. Even better coming from a Gingrich man. That statement provides excellent rebuttal material if she runs and they try to tar her with the obama brush.

    I got a supporter letter from Jim Webb today. He says things aint all that bad and he speaks of a democratic party that no longer exists. And of course he blames Bush for the economy. I know he writes his own material but the WH must edit it.

    One of the things I worry about, knowing them as I think I do, is that as Obama numbers fall, Bush supporters will be inclined to come out of the word work and try to re-litigate the merits of his presidency. Jeb Bush people perhaps.

    I can think of no stupider thing for them to do. The best hope of the Republican Party is to let Obama stand alone on the stage in a dark theater with a white light shining down on him doing his version of Hamlet. He is type cast for the role. The title would be Powerful Interests Call Me A Dog.

    The only thing I might add to the visual is unemployment numbers, mounting debt graphs, deep bows to the Saudis who helped install him in office, dire predictions for this country all punctuated by those magic words–hope, change, and I never loved my country until I got an AMEX card with no limits payable by the middle class.

    Carpe diem scoopjaw– I mean Marie Antoiniette.

  83. henry
    September 9th, 2010 at 3:19 am
    =====================================

    In the mid-2000’s, I absolutely despised Ann Coulter. Now, I don’t. I have read just one of her books, and I now view her in a different light. Her acerbic wit, extreme sarcasm, or contemptuousness, whatever you want to call it, is her shtick, and she actually hits the nail on the head many times, but since she does it in such a take no prisoners way, there are many who simply turn her off. That was my mistake in the past. I still view her type of punditry in a more negative way because of the way that it is delivered, but it doesn’t make her wrong about everything she believes. She forces one to think about what she writes. I mean you have to think about what you just read in order to understand why she wrote it in the manner that she did, and in that respect, she is an excellent writer. She forces you to evaluate your own stances on an issue.

  84. Concerning the mosque, the imam now has said that changing the proposed location could very well jeopardize national security. Wow, is that some indirect threat from him or from the muslim ummah in general? So now the mosque must be built in the chosen location, or else!

  85. Hold them , you missed the most important part, Bambi falls to lowest approval yet and this is after his economy speech and nearing below 40.

    Rasmussen : Overall, 41% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president’s performance. Fifty-eight percent (58%) disapprove.

    Today’s Approval Index rating is the lowest yet recorded for this president. Overall Job Approval matches the lowest recorded number, and the number who Strongly Disapprove matches the highest yet recorded.

  86. There is nothing wrong with trying to empower moderate muslim leaders who can lead their societies away from the abyss of terrorism, death and destruction. We have no quarrel with that proposition. On the contrary we embrace it provided we can find such leaders, and they do not turn out to be people who loot our treasury, as we saw with some of the new leaders we put our marbles on at the beginning of the Iraq War. We are unsure whether Paterus is right that a purported settlement of the Palestinian issue would turn the tide, but it could take some of the international heat off Israel, because the other side would be the ones to breach it. That assumes of course that we can even get there–and the test is not a document but a change in attitude, because without that mere words on a piece of paper are as worthless as the Kellogg Briand Pact which remounced war as an instrument of policy and paradoxically helped lay the groundwork for world war II. But this mosque at ground zero thing is the height of folly which only a charter member of the elite class could possibly embrace. If a symbol is what they are after they will get one, but not the one they intended. Not surprisingly this has ignited muslim opposition and now people like Pateus say this is not helpful. What is not helpful here is an elite class who cannot see beyond their noses, and fail to realize that when they rub salt into an open wound there will be unintended but forseeable consequences. Now they are in a pickle. On the one hand they cannot give in. On the other hand if they stay the course it will engender more anti Muslim noise and defeat the goal they sought to achieve. Our benighted elites.

  87. This is getting tighter and tighter……

    West Virginia Governor Joe Manchin and Republican businessman John Raese continue to run a surprisingly close race in the state’s special Senate election to replace the late Robert Byrd.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in West Virginia shows Manchin with 50% support and Raese with 45%, when leaners are included. Two percent (2%) prefer some other candidate in the race, and three percent (3%) are undecided.

    The West Virginia race now moves from Leans Democratic to a Toss-Up in the Rasmussen Reports Election 2010 Senate Balance of Power rankings. Less than two weeks ago, the first post-primary survey of the race moved it from Solid Democratic to Leans Democratic.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/west_virginia/election_2010_west_virginia_senate_special_election

    I thought this was in the bag for the Dems………i guess not.

  88. The Dems may just lose the Senate at this rate

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/illinois/election_2010_illinois_senate

    epublican Mark Kirk and Democrat Alexi Giannoulias remain locked in a tight race for the U.S. Senate, according to the latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of likely voters in Illinois.

    With leaners added in, Kirk picks up 41% of the vote, while Giannoulias earns 37% support. Green Party candidate LeAlan Jones, included for the first time in a Rasmussen Reports survey of the race, earns nine percent (9%). Five percent (5%) prefer another candidate in the race, and another nine percent (9%) are undecided.

    Two weeks ago, when leaners were included in the totals, Kirk and Giannoulias were tied at 45% apiece. Leaners are those who initially indicate no preference for either of the candidates but answer a follow-up question and say they are leaning towards a particular candidate. From this point forward, Rasmussen Reports considers results with leaners the primary indicator of the race.

  89. Barack is unlike Hoover in the sense that Hoover was a patriotic American and an honorable man…
    ******
    Comparing Obama to Hoover always bothers me. Hoover has, IMO, been unfairly reviled but comparing him to Obama is the worst slur. Re-read the wiki bio and found this interesting.

    “To pay for these and other government programs and to make up for revenue lost due to the Depression, Hoover agreed to roll back previous tax cuts his Administration had effected on upper incomes. In one of the largest tax increases in American history, the Revenue Act of 1932 raised income tax on the highest incomes from 25% to 63%. The estate tax was doubled and corporate taxes were raised by almost 15%. Also, a “check tax” was included that placed a 2-cent tax (over 30 cents in today’s dollars) on all bank checks. Economists William D. Lastrapes and George Selgin,[49] conclude that the check tax was “an important contributing factor to that period’s severe monetary contraction.” Hoover also encouraged Congress to investigate the New York Stock Exchange, and this pressure resulted in various reforms.
    National debt expressed as a fraction of gross national product climbs from 20% to 40% under Hoover; levels off under FDR; soars during World War II. From Historical Statistics US (1976)

    For this reason, years later libertarians argued that Hoover’s economics were statist. Franklin D. Roosevelt blasted the Republican incumbent for spending and taxing too much, increasing national debt, raising tariffs and blocking trade, as well as placing millions on the dole of the government. Roosevelt attacked Hoover for “reckless and extravagant” spending, of thinking “that we ought to center control of everything in Washington as rapidly as possible.”[50] Roosevelt’s running mate, John Nance Garner, accused the Republican of “leading the country down the path of socialism”.[51]

    Ironically, these policies pale beside the more drastic steps taken under Franklin D. Roosevelt’s administration later as part of the New Deal. Hoover’s opponents charge that his policies came too little, and too late, and did not work. Even as he asked Congress for legislation, he reiterated his view that while people must not suffer from hunger and cold, caring for them must be primarily a local and voluntary responsibility.

    Even so, New Dealer Rexford Tugwell[52] later remarked that although no one would say so at the time, “practically the whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs that Hoover started.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover

  90. “Concerning the mosque, the imam now has said that changing the proposed location could very well jeopardize national security.”

    —————-
    How dare he threaten America like that? What the heck is he implying here?

  91. Karl Rove: The Outlook Dims for Democrats – WSJ.com
    A summer of polling data suggest the GOP can take the House.
    With the midterm election less than two months away, all signs point to a punishing defeat for Democrats in the House of Representatives. Since July 1, there have been 111 polls released on U.S. House races in 79 districts. Some were commissioned by news organizations; others came from the campaigns themselves or political groups (a detailed list is posted at Rove.com). Ninety-seven polls were conducted in seats held by Democrats while 14 were in Republican districts. They show that Democratic incumbents trail GOP challengers in 30 districts and are behind in seven of nine open Democratic seats. By comparison, GOP incumbents are ahead in seven of the eight contests polled and Republican hopefuls lead in four of the six races for GOP open seats. If Republicans prevailed in these fights, they would net 34 of the 39 seats they need to win the House. It could get worse….
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703453804575479841244178372.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion

    PS to MOP: I’m definitely off my game these days. 🙁

  92. Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 23% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve….
    ********
    It’s just one data point but I found the 23% strong approval number the most significant. In the Daily tracking poll, IIRC, the one number that has remained constant for months is the “strong approval” (ie hopium, brain damaged Obots) staying steady at ~26%. The fall to 23% is huge if it is real.

  93. SHV, little by little Obama himself scrapes off the Koolaid (unintentionally, inadvertently of course). We told them so.

  94. How dare he threaten America like that? What the heck is he implying here?
    *******
    That was my first reaction. I don’t particularly have strong feeling about the Mosque other than after “follow the money” results come out, Obama et will look like fools. But this crap that the actions of fundies in Florida will incite radical Muslims and be a threat to US troops, National security, blah..blah..really pisses me off.

  95. Rosaleen Tallon is her name, if correct, and she is a sister to a 9-11 victim. She says exactly what I would say if I were as articulate as she:

  96. I read where Brian Williams (aka the reincarnation of Walter Cronkite) failed to finish college. No harm in that. Some of the smartest people I know did not even go to college much less finish it. However that it less common today than it once was. What interests me is how in a credential conscious culture like NBC (which attaches the tag line Harvard trained to anyone who went within 100 miles of the place) did dear old Brian make it to the top of that news organization? I will leave that subject to the imagination, and to the ghost of Walter Cronkite.

  97. From now til we correct the Error of 2008, I am ending all my messages and postings with:

    WE let the dogs out, woof, WOOF!

  98. Opposition to mosque near Ground Zero not ‘Islamophobia’

    By Morton A. Klein, Dr. Daniel Mandel

    ‘Islamophobia’ is a misleading term. Consider, terrorism carried out by Muslims, acting in the name of Islam, has struck innumerable societies, non-Muslim (Britain, India, Israel, Philippines, Spain, Thailand, U.S.) and Muslim (Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Turkey). Those who have knowledge of it – or, in the case of New Yorkers, direct experience – do not suffer from an irrational fear of an imaginary threat, which is what the word ‘phobia’ denotes. The vast majority of global terrorism in the recent years has been carried out by Islamists.

    To state that is no insult to law-abiding, peaceful Muslims who abhor the terrorism carried out in their name. Precisely such Muslims in the Middle East are themselves likely to be among the targets and victims of jihadist terror.

    If Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the driving force behind the Cordoba mosque, is a moderate Muslim, why is he promoting this idea? How can he have difficulty comprehending that building a 15-story Muslim mosque center 600 feet from the site of 9/11, where nearly 3,000 people were murdered by Islamist terrorists, is insensitive to the grieving families of the victims?
    Imagine the insensitivity if one proposed building a Japanese cultural center at Pearl Harbor. One would automatically wonder at the motives of those proposing the project.

    9/11 site is not a holy site, but inasmuch as it is mass grave of innocents, it is hallowed ground. As such, special sensitivity is needed.

    As an example of latter, Carmelite nuns sought in the 1980s to establish a convent at Auschwitz, a massive cemetery filled overwhelmingly with the remains of Jewish victims of Nazism. Even though Nazism was a profoundly anti-Christian movement, it drew, among other things, on a history of Christian anti-Semitism and its ranks included many professing Christians. The late Pope John Paul II understood that building a Christian institution on a mass Jewish grave would be an unacceptable act of appropriation. He called upon the Carmelite nuns to relocate.

    Here, there is an important, relevant history of appropriation. Building mosques adjacent to or upon another group’s sacred and holy sites is a time-honored Muslim supremacist tradition. The Al Aqsa and Dome of the Rock mosques, standing today atop Jerusalem’s Temple Mount, where the former Jewish temples once stood, are only two prominent examples among dozens of this historical practice that can be found in many lands from North Africa to Indonesia that fell to Muslim conquest.

    Even if such was not the intention of those involved with the Cordoba mosque, its construction near the site of 9/11 may well be interpreted by some Islamists as a victory over non-Muslims, inadvertently encouraging more terrorism.

    But in any case, Imam Rauf – who refuses to condemn Hamas, a terrorist organization which has murdered hundreds of Israelis and whose charter calls for murder of Jews and Israel’s destruction; his calling U.S. policies an “accessory” to Al-Qaeda’s 9/11 horror; and his writing that “Israel will become one more Arab country, in our lifetime, with a Jewish minority” – does not come to this issue with clean hands.

    Nor, for that matter, does his wife, Daisy Khan, who described opposition to the mosque to be “like a metastasized anti-Semitism.” With this, Ms. Khan told a double untruth: she used the horror of anti-Semitism to malign legitimate opponents as bigots and perverted the meaning of anti-Semitism beyond recognition.

    Anti-Semitism demonizes Jews; it is not mere bigotry or nastiness towards Jews, let alone legitimate criticism of them. It is not based on Jewish conduct. The Nazi extermination was a campaign against defenseless people who posed no threat and had committed no crime. In contrast, Islamism is a standing scourge and threat. Combating it must involve what neither Rauf nor Khan have done: condemning Islamists by name, without equivocation. Honesty demands that it also involve opposing the supremacist tradition of building on the ruins of non-Muslim sites.

    9/11 mosque opponents are not dehumanizing Muslims. They are not advocating their forcible suppression or elimination. They are not opposing the construction of mosques and the practice of Muslim worship. Rather, they oppose a deeply suspect and breathtakingly insensitive proposal to build this mosque in this place.

    Neither Jews nor Christians have committed any assaults upon Saudis – to the contrary, in 1990, U.S. servicemen came to their defense. Yet Saudi Arabia refuses to permit the building of a single church or synagogue and the practice of Christianity or Judaism anywhere in the country. That is genuine anti-Semitism and anti-Christian bigotry, pure and metastasized. But Ms. Khan has never seen fit to summon up outrage, or even interest, in that subject.
    Such is the shameless cynicism of Muslim supremacists and their fellow travelers, libeling Americans who oppose this project as Islamophobes and metastasized anti-Semites.

    http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvoices/2010/09/opposition_to_mosque_near_ground_zero_not_islamophobia.html

  99. In regard to wiki anything, wiki is often written by revisionists, revolutionaries and others with an agenda. It is an add/delete what you want type thing. Read the original sources in all things, do not rely on others’ version of what happened, was meant, or what was said.

  100. Pastor says may halt Koran burning if White House asks
    (AFP) – 1 hour ago

    WASHINGTON — A Florida pastor at the center of a global storm over plans to burn hundreds of Korans said Thursday he would likely call off the event if asked to by the Obama administration.

    Terry Jones, head of the Dove World Outreach Center, told USA Today he had not been contacted by the White House, Pentagon or State Department about Saturday’s planned ceremony on the anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

    If he were “that would cause us definitely to think it over. That’s what we’re doing now. I don’t think a call from them is something we would ignore,” Jones told the daily.

    US President Barack Obama on Thursday warned the burning ceremony would be a “recruitment bonanza” for Al-Qaeda, which carried out the 2001 attacks on the United States in which almost 3,00 people died.

    “You know, you could have serious violence in places like Pakistan or Afghanistan,” Obama told ABC television in an interview.

    “This could increase the recruitment of individuals who’d be willing to blow themselves up in American cities, or European cities,” he said.

    US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has also condemned the plans as “disgraceful,” while military leaders have warned it could endanger troops serving in Afghanistan and Pakistan, both Muslim countries.

    The gun-toting pastor said the aim of Saturday’s three-hour evening event in Gainesville, Florida, was to send a message to radical Islamists that “it is possibly time for us in a new way to actually stand up and confront terrorism.”

    But his tiny church of about 50 members has triggered fears that a violent wave of Islamic anger could ripple around the globe, similar to past controversies centered around Islam.

    Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard, who sparked Muslim outrage in 2006 with a drawing of the Prophet Mohammed, told German media that satire like his was “provocation. Provocation should lead to reflection, to enlightenment, to knowledge. In this case, this is really not the case.”

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jCwDiME3USphWw11SPqA_cfmwBlA

  101. Thank you so much for that video. She reminds me so much of my friend who I have written about here. A clear line of argument and her elitist opponent spews the liberal party line. But here is the real rub. I see it here in this video in a contest between an ideologue and someone who wants to talk about facts, just as I see it in the context of free trade where Wall Street shills talk about a theory of economic behavior and their opponents talk about their impact on the American People.

    To put a finer point on it, the elite class do not live in the real world hence they do not understand it. Their policies are based on intentions and moral preening. They discount the views of those who oppose them as ignorant, racist or the pejorative de jour. And when they implement their ill conceived program and it engenders the adverse effects which their critics warned them about they ignore feedback from reality and say stupid things like just think how much worse it would be if we had not done what we did.

  102. ShortTermer
    September 9th, 2010 at 11:31 am
    In regard to wiki anything, wiki is often written by revisionists, revolutionaries and others with an agenda. It is an add/delete what you want type thing. Read the original sources in all things, do not rely on others’ version of what happened, was meant, or what was said
    **************

    Generally speaking, History is written by revisionists and those with an agenda almost all of the time. Look at the Bible alone. What was put in and discarded and by whom and for what purpose? You would think women had nothing to do with ‘mankind’if you believed what is written. Minorities too have been ignored. History is written by White men for White men by large. look at the Texas school book controversy here recently. History it would appear, is a state of mind.

  103. If this bible thumping book burning armed and dangerous pastor did not exist the elites would have to invent him. This story does not deserve any coverage. The reason it is out there at all is because big media thinks it advances their perverse agenda. What they should be presenting instead is more video coverage of the lady in the video above who talks common sense, and points to a path which gets everyone off the hook.

  104. This mosque at ground zero has become a contest of wills between the elites and the American People. It should never have gotten this far, if someone in the elite class was thinking straight. Far from bridging the gap between faiths and peoples it is widening and deepening that gap. What you have here in the elite class is abject stupidity.

  105. Been away from the blog for a couple of days and come back to see Admin marching around waving Hillary’s flag, my heart skips a beat………again.
    Go Admin, go!!

    Yes, our girl is a sly, smart fox.

    Hillary 2012!!!

  106. In reference to: ShortTermer
    September 9th, 2010 at 1:15 am

    I was being facetious, Fifth Deminsion.
    _____________________________________________
    Jeswezy, I have taken my individual responsibility as a Hillary supporter to join the ones who are for Drafting her. This is Admin’s website blog and it is only right to be respectful of that and not promote something that may not be what Admin wants to promote here; that was my point.
    _____________________________________________

    WE let the dogs out, woof, WOOF!!!!!!!

  107. Go back 125 years to the era of Manifest Destiny and the Indian Wars which followed in its wake. The elites sat back in their cushy chairs on the east coast, made money and waxed eloquent about the noble savage, after reading Rousseau in their parlors. Meanwhile, the people on the frontier had a decidedly different experience as they confronted the finest light cavalry of the era, and were killed or abducted–like white squaw– the mother of the great Quanah Parker. One of the more interesting stories of that era concerned the toughest Indian tribe of all the Comanche Nation who defeated the Apaches and the Blackfeet in battles involving as many as 15,000 braves. Their warriors were such skilled horseman that they could lean under the neck of their mount and fire an arrow. The early Texas rangers were put through a meat grinder until Captain Jack Hayes came along and showed them how to fight that kind of warfare. Only then did the tide begin to turn. But the elites saw none of this. It did not conform to their world view. The US Army did, but not the elites. They were too invested in the noble savage meme.

  108. gonzotx, the ‘many bibles’ and many versions of the same bible makes for an interesting debate that stumps even the most fervent bible thumpers. I know, I had that debate with one of the best bible thumpers a few years back. The idea was to go to the original sources; like we had to do in my state university student days for valid and reliable research. It seems that the elites from the elite colleges are not required to do the same for I read The Queen of Spain’s thesis which was written on at best seventh grade level.I think we are on the same page.

  109. Hillary’s pack of Puma’s are still running and the torches and lights may follow us but they are never gonna get us.

  110. A snip from an AP story today…

    And the imam slated to lead the spiritual component of the center told CNN that if he had realized how some Americans would react to the location, he would have picked some other spot.

    “If I knew this would happen, if it would cause this kind of pain, I wouldn’t have done it,” Feisal Abdul Rauf said.

    Both men, though, said they strongly support the center going forward. Rauf said moving it now would create the perception that “Islam is under attack” in America and would strengthen the ability of radicals to attract recruits.

    The challenges facing the project extend far beyond the debate over its location, and include conflicting interests among the key backers.

    Elzanaty said that while he supports the building of a 13-story Islamic center on the property he helped buy, he needs to turn a profit.

    He said one of the buildings is worth millions of dollars if it is redeveloped, and he intends to seize the opportunity. He said he would like to see the other building turned into a mosque, but if backers don’t come forward with enough cash for him to break even, he will turn it over to someone else.

  111. You see by the comments above, even the owner of the building still wants a mosque located there, regardless of if the “community center” portion goes through. These people are tone deaf. His statement makes it appear that people have a problem with a community center at the location in question. It’s not the community center, but the mosque, stupid.

  112. While out walking I got a phone call from the Natonal Democratic Party supporting the Senators up for reelection. (Of course this is why I stay registered as a Dem, waiting for these phone calls). As Soon as the words were out of this mouth, I told him we don’t support O, and that we were HRC supporters. That we would support the Dem Senators in our state, but that we were looking on a case by case situation. We were not happy with what happen with the convention nor Os performance, and that we wanted HRC drafted in 2012. I sure enjoyed myself. We don’t even have any Senators up for re-election. We do have reps, and the Gov spot.

    I wonder how much they are hearing that draft HRC line.

  113. Obama deserves this, imo. He was supposed to be so politically savy. It turns out that he is rather vulnerable on his political “smarts”.

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    Quran burning flap a distraction from Obama agenda

    By NANCY BENAC, Associated Press Writer Nancy Benac, Associated Press Writer – Thu Sep 9, 7:52 am ET
    WASHINGTON – First came the outrage over plans for a mosque near ground zero. Now there’s anger over a Florida church’s plan to burn copies of the Quran.

    Caught up in it all is President Barack Obama, who’d rather be talking about something — anything — else.

    Yet there he was on TV Thursday morning, denouncing the church’s plans as a “stunt” that could “greatly endanger our young men and women who are in uniform” and incite suicide bombers.

    “Look, this is a recruitment bonanza for Al Qaida,” Obama said in a taped interview on ABC. “You could have serious violence in places like Pakistan and Afghanistan.”

    Two months before the fall elections, when Obama is trying to convince Americans that Democrats are squarely focused on the economy, the last thing he needs is another heated flap about Muslims, churning up lingering doubts about Obama’s religious sympathies and his resolve against terrorism. Slow to weigh in last month on the New York mosque question, Obama’s team moved quickly this week to speak out forcefully against plans by a small Florida church to torch copies of the Muslim holy book on Saturday, the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks.

    The administration’s denunciations had begun with Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. and NATO commander in Kabul, and been echoed throughout the top echelons of the government. Defense Secretary Robert Gates seconded Petraeus. Attorney General Eric Holder called it idiotic. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said it was disgraceful. Obama adviser David Axelrod went with un-American.

    Obama himself held out hope the pastor would rethink his plans. “I hope he listens to those better angels and understands that this is a destructive act that he’s engaging in.”

    The administration hoped to rein in the story by speaking out clearly and with one voice.

    But it is a measure of the intense emotions attached to matters of religion and politics in the post 9/11 world that such a tiny tail — an independent church with 50 followers — could wag such a big dog.

    It’s also a measure of how much Obama’s team wanted to change the subject.

    Obama spent Wednesday in Cleveland promoting his economic plans and reaching out to those he acknowledges are “frustrated and angry and anxious about the future.” He made no reference to the Quran plan in his speech, but addressed the issue when asked about it during the interview taped in Ohio.

    Pollster Andy Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, said large percentages of Americans believe Muslims are unfairly discriminated against in this country, so the administration probably hasn’t incurred harm from taking on the church. But Obama “didn’t do himself any good by weighing in on the mosque controversy” in New York, Kohut added.

    For weeks, as Republicans including Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich denounced plans for the mosque, the White House sidestepped the issue, insisting it was a local zoning matter. But once the mosque cleared its final regulatory hurdle last month, Obama spoke out clearly in its defense.

    “This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable,” he said.

    From there, as Republicans fumed and most Democrats stayed silent, Obama’s message got more muddled.

    “I will not comment on the wisdom of making a decision to put a mosque there,” he said.

    Several Democrats, notably including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, had no such reservations. They said a mosque didn’t belong so close to the site of the toppled World Trade Center towers. Republicans went further, Gingrich accusing Obama of “pandering to radical Islam.”

    House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio on Wednesday tried to lump together the two issues — plans for the Quran-burning and the mosque — saying that “just because you have the right to do something in America does not mean it’s the right thing to do.”

    Whatever the arguments on either issue, anything that keeps Obama from being heard on the economy isn’t helpful.

    Nor is anything that stirs up questions about Obama’s religious leanings — he’s a Christian who had a Muslim father — and his priorities in fighting terrorism.

    Obama has yet to clearly establish his religious identity with the public. A Pew poll released last month found that nearly one in five people incorrectly believe he’s Muslim, up from 11 percent in March 2009. Only a third of people think Obama is Christian, down from nearly half last year.

    Obama was asked in the interview if he felt angry or helpless at having to deal with the fallout from the potential actions of the pastor of one tiny church.

    “Well, it is frustrating,” he allowed, adding that the law didn’t offer much recourse.

    And it was no doubt a frustration politically, as well.

  114. NewMexicoFan
    September 9th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I may doing something similar if I am lucky enough to get a phone call. I am still a registered Democrat, and I would like nothing better to give any phone caller an earful of my disdain for most Democrats, and obama in particular. I would also throw some praise in Hillary’s and Bill’s direction.

  115. Also, with regards to the mosque issue, I read something about the grungy conditions of the other mosques in the vicinity as a reason for this new mosque. If the old mosques are grungy, maybe they should be upgraded.

  116. The following is a post from one of my FaceBook friends:

    Read this slowly, let it sink in, VOTE in November.

    This is about as clear and easy to understand as it can be. please read the entire article.

    The article below is completely neutral, not anti republican or democrat….Charlie Reese, a retired reporter for the Orlando Sentinel has hit the nail directly on the head, defining clearly who it is that in the final analysis must assume responsibility for the judgments made that impact each one of us every day.

    It’s a short but good read. Worth the time. Worth remembering!

    545 vs. 300,000,000

    EVERY CITIZEN NEEDS TO READ THIS AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS JOURNALIST HAS SCRIPTED IN THIS MESSAGE. READ IT AND THEN REALLY THINK ABOUT OUR CURRENT POLITICAL DEBACLE.

    Charley Reese has been a journalist for 49 years.

    545 PEOPLE — By Charlie Reese

    Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

    Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

    Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

    You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The president does.

    You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

    You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does.

    You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does.

    You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

    One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

    I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

    I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don’t care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator’s responsibility to determine how he votes.

    Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

    What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits…. . The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

    The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

    It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

    If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.

    If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it in the red ..

    If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it’s because they want them in IRAQ. If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it’s because they want it that way.

    There are no insoluble government problems.

    Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like “the economy,” “inflation,” or “politics” that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

    Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

    They, and they alone, have the power..

    They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.

    Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees…

    We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

    Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.

    What you do with this article now that you have read it……… Is up to you.

    Sales Tax
    School Tax
    Liquor Tax
    Luxury Tax
    Excise Taxes
    Property Tax
    Cigarette Tax
    Medicare Tax
    Inventory Tax
    Real Estate Tax
    Well Permit Tax
    Fuel Permit Tax
    Inheritance Tax
    Road Usage Tax
    CDL license Tax
    Dog License Tax
    State Income Tax
    Food License Tax
    Vehicle Sales Tax
    Gross Receipts Tax
    Social Security Tax
    Service Charge Tax
    Fishing License Tax
    Federal Income Tax
    Building Permit Tax
    IRS Interest Charges
    Hunting License Tax
    Marriage License Tax
    Corporate Income Tax
    Personal Property Tax
    Accounts Receivable Tax
    Recreational Vehicle Tax
    Workers Compensation Tax
    Watercraft Registration Tax
    Telephone Usage Charge Tax
    Telephone Federal Excise Tax
    Telephone State and Local Tax
    IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
    State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
    Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
    Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
    Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
    Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
    Utility Taxes Vehicle License Registration Tax
    Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
    Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax

    Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, & our nation was the most prosperous in the world.We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

    What in the hell happened? Can you spell ‘politicians? ‘ I hope this goes around THE USA at least 100 times!!!YOU can help it get there!!!GO AHEAD – – – BE AN AMERICAN!!!

  117. Whether it is opposition to the mosque or burning of Korans, backing away from American principles such as free speech because of veiled threats is a dangerous road to go down.

    How come Americans will shed blood to futher our ideals halfway around the world, but won’t fight for those rights here.

    We have all stood by and been offended by flag burning, religious attacks, nazis and the KKK marching in plain sight. Englan has bee giving in to Muslim threats and it is clearly not working for them.

    Just look at the Palestinians and their campaign of terror to get their way. I compare it to a parent who has to deal with a child’s tantrum in a public place. I think we will all agree that the parent who gives in to the tantrum will increasing have…tantrums …to deal with! Basically, the Palestinians started a war….lsot a war…and then started a campaign of terrorism to get what they wanted….the destruction of Israel. I wonder where the world would be if Europe and the US had not given credence to the terrorists demands.

  118. wbboei – You’re blurring a broad swath of history, here, ranging from 18th century Rousseau through end of 19th century Indian Wars.

    The “Noble Savage” concept was what kept the Indians largely out of the slavery racket in North and even Latin America. It fell by the wayside early in the 19th century. By the time of “Manifest Destiny” a little later, the Indian was ignored. Population of the West began after the Civil War, everybody took Manifest Destiny for granted but the concept itself was pretty much forgotten and the Indian was just considered a nuisance to be exterminated or subdued or pushed back.

    At the same time, there was the “White Man’s Burden” on the other side of the Atlantic to support the Brit Empire.

    I don’t think the elites in the northeast US were much concerned about Indians at any time at all.

  119. nomobama
    “I am still a registered Democrat, and I would like nothing better to give any phone caller an earful of my disdain for most Democrats, and obama in particular. I would also throw some praise in Hillary’s and Bill’s direction.”

    That’s an excellent idea – it’s what I’ve been recommending to PUMAs I’ve come across since June 08. Many PUMAs left the party at that time and I said they should stay registered and let the party have a piece of their mind, and just contribute a few cents from time to time.

  120. Cumulative and understated but valid as always:

    Sinking With Obama, Democrats Plan Political Triage
    By Michael Barone September 9, 2010 7:12 AM

    When you spot the word “triage” in a political news story, you know someone is in trouble.

    Triage is the procedure by which medical personnel screening people injured in combat or disasters separate those who can be saved from those who can’t. The first group is given immediate surgery in hopes of recovery. The second is given painkillers to make the end bearable.

    So it was startling to read last weekend in The New York Times that House Democratic leaders “are preparing a brutal triage of their own members in hopes of saving enough seats to keep a slim grip on the majority.”

    House Democratic campaign chairman Chris Van Hollen quickly pooh-poohed the story, as any politically savvy person would. But I bet he’s already done his triage and that some of the names mentioned in the Times story are to get painkillers only.

    For in the last week the bad news has been flooding in on congressional Democrats. On the generic ballot question, the realclearpolitics.com average of recent polls showed that 49 percent said they would vote for the Republican candidate for the House and 41 percent said they would vote for the Democrat.

    To put these results in perspective, consider that before last month Gallup had never shown Republicans leading by more than 6 percent since it began asking the question in 1942. Now they lead by as much as 13 percent in some polls.

    And consider also that the generic ballot question has tended to under-predict actual Republican performance in five of the last six House elections.

    Republicans need to gain 39 seats for a House majority. The professional analysts see it happening: Larry Sabato puts the number at 47, Stuart Rothenberg at 37 to 42, Charlie Cook at 40. Cook notes that Democratic incumbents are trailing Republican challengers in polls in 32 districts.

    These are cautious prognosticators who evaluate candidates for every seat. No wonder Politico’s Mike Allen wrote yesterday that “the sky is falling” for the Democrats.

    The signs are that Democratic candidates are getting the same message in their polls. Joe Donnelly in Indiana 2 runs an ad criticizing Barack Obama. Travis Childers in Mississippi 1 boasts of voting against the budget. Steve Driehaus in Ohio 1 runs a spot identifying his opponent as a congressman, even though he’s an ex-congressman, while positioning himself as the challenger.

    At least five House Democrats are running ads bragging about their votes against Obamacare. Surveys of ads run by candidates indicate that no Democrat has run an ad bragging about the health care bill since Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid did in April. More recently, he’s been concentrating on depicting his opponent, Sharron Angle, as a wacko.

    Is all this just a response to a sputtering economy? Political scientist Alan Abramowitz, on a panel with Sabato and me at the American Political Science Association conference last weekend, said he thought so. I disagreed.

    I think what we’re seeing is a rejection of the Obama Democrats’ big-government policies. The president and his party thought that in times of economic distress most voters would be supportive of or at least amenable to a vast expansion of the size and scope of government.

    They jammed the Senate version of their health care bill through the House in March, in the face of the clear opposition signaled by the voters of Massachusetts as well as every public opinion poll. I can’t think of a more unpopular major measure passed by Congress since the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854.

    Back then, the Democrats also had supermajorities in both houses of Congress and a young, previously little known president who had defeated an aging war hero by a decisive margin. They realized that the Kansas-Nebraska Act promoting slavery in the territories would raise some hackles, but expressed confidence that voters would accept it when it was properly explained to them.

    They didn’t. Voters reduced the number of Democratic House members from 159 to 83, nearly eliminating the party in much of the North. Democrats didn’t win a House majority for the next 20 years.

    Today, House Democrats have more money than their opponents and, unlike 1994, they’ve known for months that they might be in peril. They know that Republicans remain unpopular and hoped their own numbers would improve. But instead they’re plunging to historic depths. Time for triage.

  121. Carol I whole heartedly agree. We need a group of leaders who take charge of the tantrums, who know when to whole strong regardless of how badly behaved groups are. We are being Terrorized by other groups in the World. Australia said the the muslims, enough is enough. When you come to this country, you addopt our culture, or you can get the hexx out, and they stood by it

    Shortermer 12:42 I agree with that article except for the section on the Budget and the house. The Senate (which I guess is 100 people lead by Reid), have the strong budget position. The House allocates, and the Senate appropriates. I have worked federal budgets in which the Senate appropriated, but the house never allocated. So, Reid and the other members of he Senate hold the stronger and more responsible position.

  122. They were too invested in the noble savage meme…
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    “Pacification” of human pre-history and history was the norm during most of the 20th century and especially after WW II. The myth that humans are basically peaceful and that at least in the “Indo-European” area, society was traditionally peaceful and matriarchal. Interestingly, it’s the ability to do population DNA studies that calls bullshit on most of this nonsense.

  123. wbboei
    September 9th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    Cumulative and understated but valid as always:

    Sinking With Obama, Democrats Plan Political Triage
    By Michael Barone September 9, 2010 7:12 AM

    When you spot the word “triage” in a political news story, you know someone is in trouble.

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    wbboei,

    I’m not waiting with bated breath to see whether the media will cozy up to him again for 2012 or finally try some ethical reporting for a change.

    The trends re voting groups should also be interesting this time around. What will bambi do between now and then to bring around the youth, seniors, Jews, non-African Americans to his faithless web? How much will he destroy before all is said and done?

  124. BTW, Hillary has spoken about the US debt weakening America’s independence in the World stage before. I guess Barry wasn’t taking her seriously before so Hillary is yelling to him:

    “It’s the economy STUPID!

    It’s our debt STUPID!

    It’s our world standing STUPID!

    It’s THREE AM, get up Stupid!”

    Hillary is smacking him around because he has destroyed our party and is destroying our country.

  125. When you spot the word “triage” in a political news story, you know someone is in trouble.

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    LOL! Right.

  126. The myth that humans are basically peaceful and that at least in the “Indo-European” area, society was traditionally peaceful and matriarchal. Interestingly, it’s the ability to do population DNA studies that calls bullshit on most of this nonsense.

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    DNA rebuts matriarchy? I did’t know that inheritance of money was coded in the genes. That could be very convenient.

  127. wbboei – You’re blurring a broad swath of history, here, ranging from 18th century Rousseau through end of 19th century Indian Wars.

    The “Noble Savage” concept was what kept the Indians largely out of the slavery racket in North and even Latin America. It fell by the wayside early in the 19th century. By the time of “Manifest Destiny” a little later, the Indian was ignored. Population of the West began after the Civil War, everybody took Manifest Destiny for granted but the concept itself was pretty much forgotten and the Indian was just considered a nuisance to be exterminated or subdued or pushed back.

    At the same time, there was the “White Man’s Burden” on the other side of the Atlantic to support the Brit Empire.

    I don’t think the elites in the northeast US were much concerned about Indians at any time at all.
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    Correct. The reference was metaphorical. For me the story goes back even further to colonial times when the English elites put the Scotts Irish settlers out on the frontier to protect them against the Indians. It continued in the aftermath of the Revolutionary War when those elites reneged on their promise to pay the officers of the Revolutionary Army for their services in land, and those officers met in Newburg New York to discuss the possibility of heading west to the Ohio Valley and leaving the erstwhile colonies alone to fend for themselves–until Washington intervened and settled the issue. It gathered steam under the administration of Jefferson through the (first) Louisiana Purchase and the Lewis and Clark expedition, and it gained further momentum under the administration of old hickory. Free land if you could prove it up. After the Civil War additional factors weighed in including the iron horse, the Homestead Act and the discovery of precious metals. But throughout this continental expansion, the one factor that held constant was the relative indifference of east coast elites to the harsh realities of frontier life and the tendency to engage in magic thinking about it. That was the point I was attempting to make, because it is a distant mirror of what we see now in the disconnect between the economic elites and the middle class, and perhaps the way the people of Israel see the situation and the way American elites do.

  128. Many PUMAs left the party at that time and I said they should stay registered and let the party have a piece of their mind

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    Me too. But what’s more important is when an outside poll company or journalist calls. It’s more impressive for the results to say “Even X percent of registered Democrats want Obama to resign (or whatever.)

    Also there are local party issues worth voting on, to support people and rules likely to help the Clintons.

  129. In regard to wiki anything, wiki is often written by revisionists, revolutionaries and others with an agenda. It is an add/delete what you want type thing. Read the original sources in all things, do not rely on others’ version of what happened, was meant, or what was said.

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    Yes. The footnote links can be useful.

  130. Great post admin! Spot-on analysis. It was great to see that Dick Morris’ timetable and my own are the same. 35%. That is the magic number. With the polls suggesting that Obumbles may be in the 30’s before the year is out, and Hillary working on the peace process (and trying to keep the world together with duct tape), these smalls but loud shots over the bow are perfectly timed and deftly executed.

    Has anyone noticed how LITTLE Hillary insults her opponents? Has anyone noticed how precisely her Q&A answers stab this administration in the heart without diminishing her party? Everytime I get a questionarre or pollster call, Obumbles gets negative marks. Idiot.

    35%. Then a viable primary challenge can be made and these incompetents can be rooted out of office.

    But lets deals with these corrupt officials currently in office. Here comes November…..

    Asshats….

    Hillary 2012

  131. DNA rebuts matriarchy? I did’t know that inheritance of money was coded in the genes. That could be very convenient.
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    No but patrilocality is:

    “Human mtDNA and Y-chromosome variation is correlated with matrilocal versus patrilocal residence”

    And as far as the “peaceful” matriarchal Indo-European societies being overthrown by the patriarchal Aryan invasion….there is, so far, no DNA evidence of massive population shifts during the postulated time period.

  132. So now Obama is thinking about having someone to call the pastor in Florida to stop the Koran burning.

    Palin and Beck is having a 9/11 event…probably to counteract the Koran burning.

    So the Iman is saying not putting the mosque in lower Manhattan could cause national security problem….who is running this country anyway….Osama Bin Obama??? Screw this Imam and the horse he rode in on….how exactly putting the Mosque somewhere else cause this problem???

    THis is getting ridiculous!

  133. WHy does the media and others think this fool Obama is brilliant. To the average person like me…I think he’s a bumbling idiot….without the telepromter he can’t even make complete sentences.

    BTW…Newt is headed to Iowa!

  134. THis is getting ridiculous!
    *******
    Agreed!!

    This pretty much sums up how I feel about the “pearl clutching” fools in our Government.

    (snip)
    “President Obama, you’re a damned fool.

    What are you going to do, send in the national guard to prevent Terry Jones’ congregation from destroying their own private property? Will there be new legislation to list items that may not be treated disrespectfully? Shall we surrender a few more liberties because religious zealots are threatening us? Obama can do nothing and should do nothing; he accomplishes nothing by complaining about it, other than being part of the mob confirming the madness of the defenders of faith.

    And to suggest that some guy burning a book in a remote land will incite more anti-American sentiment is absurd. We’ve got drones buzzing over Iraq and Afghanistan killing people with a push of a button; we’ve got an armed force occupying those countries; we have bombed their infrastructure into rubble. We’ve killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims. And now we’re to believe that their love of the West will be suddenly devastated by a video of paper burning on youtube? Get a grip, man.

    The United States does have an obligation to protect the basic and fundamental rights of all Americans, and that includes allowing them to burn their own property, in addition to allowing them to practice the religion of their choice.

    Here’s a hint for appropriate responses. When someone tells you it’s an outrage to burn a bible or a Koran, shrug your shoulders and say, “So what? It’s their own book.” When someone announces that they are going to riot and murder because they are offended, look at them like they’re insane, and explain that offending someone is not a capital crime.

    The problem isn’t a few books being burned; that’s not a crime, and it doesn’t diminish anyone else’s personal freedoms. The problem is a whole fleet of deranged wackaloons, including the president of the USA in addition to raving fundamentalist fanatics, who think open, public criticism and disagreement ought to be forbidden, somehow.”
    (snip)

    http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/09/setting_the_koran_on_fire_vs_s.php

  135. It’s been a few days since I was on here, so please forgive me if this has been posted. Also, I have no idea if it’s true, since it’s the Enquirer. But you’ll enjoy it. Trust me. 🙂

    nationalenquirer.com/caroline_kennedy_obama_clinton_war/celebrity/69282

  136. Paula
    September 9th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Yes it has been posted, but it’s still a great link. Kennedy is pouting and misses the Clintons. Boo hoo…..

    Asshat.

    Hillary 2012

  137. So now Obama is thinking about having someone to call the pastor in Florida to stop the Koran burning.
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    The Imam has a constitutional right to build the mosque, but that doesn’t mean he should do it. I think the Reverend also has a constitutionall right to burn the Qurun, but I think it is hateful and wrong to burn it. Why can’t Obama have someone speak to his friends about moving the mosque if he can have someone speak to the Reverend about burning the qurun? He is using national security as cover in my opinion to say yes to one group and no to another.

  138. nomobama
    September 9th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
    A snip from an AP story today…

    And the imam slated to lead the spiritual component of the center told CNN that if he had realized how some Americans would react to the location, he would have picked some other spot.

    “If I knew this would happen, if it would cause this kind of pain, I wouldn’t have done it,” Feisal Abdul Rauf said.

    Both men, though, said they strongly support the center going forward. Rauf said moving it now would create the perception that “Islam is under attack” in America and would strengthen the ability of radicals to attract recruits.
    ******************

    He didn’t know…Really? And if the monstrosity is built, I expect it will be assualted in one way or another. This thing can not be built.

  139. “Burning anyone’s holy book is a complete negative: destruction.”

    ——————-
    On this one statement I agree with you. I just have to wonder why the burning of the Torah, the Israeli or U.S. Flag doesn’t warrant the same outrage by the media et al.

    ===============

    Dunno from media overall, but there’s two different categories: flags and holy books.

    Flags are important, but holy books are much, much more important, in a different way. Imo flags are fair game for political protest, but everyone’s holy books should be reverenced.

  140. In addition to the TV ads, I hadn’t thought of the bumper stickers. At this point, “Hillary 2012″ stickers would be cheaper and more effective. At this point next year, a “Write in Hillary” campaign could get under way if she hasn’t quit/declared herself…

    ==================

    Hell, let’s write her in for every Congressional seat on any ballot. 😉 Probably no vote-counters would release the totals, but still it would be fun.

  141. SHV, Your right, the only person who doesn’t want this burning to happen is Obama…..he is the one that will be offended. Yes, the muslim’s in other countries will be offended, but we offend them by breathing everyday….so what!!

  142. The fact that this local pastor is burning a Koran has gone viral is ridiculous. It is being used by the MSM to promote their pro Muslim/Obama agenda. This would be a non story but for the liberals plastering it on every newsite around the world to stir up Muslims so Obama can step in and protect this “religion of peace”. How many times have neo-nazis burned Jewish books and no one made it a national/world story? How many American/Israeli flags are burned daily? Typicallly, these types of events are chocked up as a buch of loons not worthy of much attention. Here, rather than ignore this group, the media and Adm. has only added gasoline to a small fire and made it an out of control wildfire. I have never seen a more corrupt Administration. They make Nixon look honorable.

  143. One further observation on this pastor who wants to a holy books. Instead of doing what a responsible arbiter would do which is to lower the voices and talk reason, big media throws gasoline on the fire hoping to create a victory for Obama and to convince the ignoranti in this country that people who cling to guns and religion are the problem. That is a good way to polarize a society further. Like I said above these media people are morally depraved. Absolutely positively Nora O Donnell.

  144. What are you going to do, send in the national guard to prevent Terry Jones’ congregation from destroying their own private property
    —————–
    Sure he will. By the same logic that he requires people to buy insurance whether or not they need it and want it. Again, it is their property but he presumes to decide how they will or will not use it. And when he finds the troops he cannot find to protect our border and sends them into Florida, you can be sure that Anderson Cooper will be right there for you and me and all the rest of us saying this is a Bull Conner moment.

    Theophilus Eugene “Bull” Connor (July 11, 1897, Selma, Alabama, USA – March 10, 1973) was a Democratic Party politician and police official from the city of Birmingham, Alabama, during the American Civil Rights Movement. As the Public Safety Commissioner of Birmingham, Alabama, in the 1960s, Connor became a symbol of bigotry. He fought against integration by using fire hoses, police attack dogs, and even a small tank against protest marchers.[1] [2] His aggressive tactics backfired when the spectacle of the brutality being broadcast on national television served as one of the catalysts for major social and legal change in the South and helped to assure the passage by the United States Congress of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

  145. Wow, can you believe this? Mark Halperin talking about his idol..
    ———————-
    For a guy who was famous for playing cards with his colleagues in the Illinois legislature, Barack Obama isn’t showing much of a poker face these days. The President and his top advisers have betrayed visible annoyance at the Republicans’ failure to rally behind the White House’s latest plans to goose the economy: proposed tax incentives for companies to make capital expenditures and do more R&D.

    The Oval Office agitation is understandable. Obama is calling for some of the same provisions that the GOP and its business-lobby allies have touted for years and that are backed by a strong majority of policy experts. Republicans aren’t suggesting Obama’s ideas are bad. Sticking to House minority leader John Boehner’s playbook, they are simply dodging any action that might improve the President’s standing. (See how Obama became Mr. Unpopular.)

    It is fair to ask (and many Democrats have) why the President is only now proposing such critical measures, rather than offering them up earlier in his term, before election-season politics brought governing to a standstill. (See TIME’s top 10 Obama backlash moments.)

    What most ails the economy right now is the uncertainty in the business sector about what Washington will do next. Wariness and doubt inhibit investment and hiring. The President’s new proposals address those obstacles head-on. But sooner or later the President is going to need Republican votes and the backing of business to get this and other measures passed. Treating his opponents as unprincipled chuckleheads makes it less likely that Obama will get what he wants and more likely that voters will be turned off by contemptuous rhetoric.

    That sort of gambit is likely to prove unhelpful for either the long-term good of the economy or the President.

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,2016971,00.html#ixzz0z4JimOeH

  146. henry, that is good news if it is true. I like millions of others was getting tired of the distortions by both extremes. Lefties calling the majority Americans Islamophobic (see blogger boy Greg Sargent headlining “Opposition to ‘mosque’ directly linked to anti-Islam sentiment, poll shows ,” — I wonder what poll that is) and nutcases like that pastor giving them the fodder.

    And as ridiculous as this may sound, even some Hillary supporters were patronizingly imploring other ‘Clintonistas’ ‘to not take it out on Muslim Americans’. I found that post offensive but then again this is not the first time.

  147. turndownobama
    September 9th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    …Flags are important, but holy books are much, much more important, in a different way. Imo flags are fair game for political protest, but everyone’s holy books should be reverenced.

    I disagree completely. Religion shouldn’t be immune from criticism. If you can express your disgust over the US by burning the US flag then you should be able to express your disgust with the Quran by burning copies of it.

    If there was ever a book that deserves such treatment, it is the Quran. The Quran is a hateful book.

  148. good article:

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/os-mike-thomas-quran-burn-090910-20100908,0,5042689.column

    ……..As much as everyone is blaming him, this is far from his fault. He’s just a prop.

    I ask you: If a sad little man burns some Qurans in the woods, and the media aren’t there to film it, is it news?

    Of course not.

    We created the Rev. Terry Jones from dust. And in two weeks, to dust he shall return. Then we’ll move on to the guys who plan to run over the Quran at their monster-truck pull. Whatever it takes to keep your attention.

    It is all so truly tragical.

    We could help head off such future nonsense if we folded up the circus tent and left Jones alone with his blowtorch and 30 followers.

    Maybe if Gen. Petraeus told the media that it isn’t Rev. Jones who is endangering troops. That it is our coverage of Rev. Jones. That without us, this book burning would be little more than a grainy video on YouTube.

    Put the onus on a responsible party and hope it acts responsibly.

    Fat chance.

    Mike Thomas can be reached at 407-420-5525 or mthomas@orlandosentinel.com.

  149. good article:

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/os-mike-thomas-quran-burn-090910-20100908,0,5042689.column

    ……..As much as everyone is blaming him, this is far from his fault. He’s just a prop.

    I ask you: If a sad little man burns some Qurans in the woods, and the media aren’t there to film it, is it news?

    Of course not.

    We created the Rev. Terry Jones from dust. And in two weeks, to dust he shall return. Then we’ll move on to the guys who plan to run over the Quran at their monster-truck pull. Whatever it takes to keep your attention.

    It is all so truly tragical.

    We could help head off such future nonsense if we folded up the circus tent and left Jones alone with his blowtorch and 30 followers.

    Maybe if Gen. Petraeus told the media that it isn’t Rev. Jones who is endangering troops. That it is our coverage of Rev. Jones. That without us, this book burning would be little more than a grainy video on YouTube.

    Put the onus on a responsible party and hope it acts responsibly.

    Fat chance.

  150. Sorry, i wont around the next few days a lot, my partners father just passed away in New Delhi and as you can imagine, its chaos here and I’m very upset, being 88 years old and catching Pneumonia is not a good combination.

    Hope you are all well and stay well.

  151. confloyd
    September 9th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    That clearly isn’t true unless you think Hillary Clinton and General Patraeus are liars. Look, this guy is a nut, who forced his congregation in Germany to work for him as basically slaves. He’s not some great man of the cloth. And, while it’s true he has every right to burn the koran, it doesn’t mean everyone else doesn’t have the right to express their opinions that he shouldn’t. That’s free speech.

  152. The US flag only goes back less than 300 years. Flag-burning went to the US Supreme Court and they said the US Constitution did protect the burning.

    Holy books going back several thousand years are different, sacred.

  153. Many of us are trying to have an intellectual discussion about the religion that is Islam whereas many on the left and right are reducing it to cast aspersions on each other. we get it — lefties HATE republicans and the righties and righties hate the smug, uppity elitism of the lefties.

    But here is a Muslim woman participating in critical thinking about her own religion. To ask why does not equate to being intolerant.
    ——————
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-08/get-over-the-quran-burning/

    I believe the Qurans are being burnt because we, as Muslims, haven’t dealt sincerely and intellectually with very serious issues that certain Quranic passages raise, particularly in the West. These include verses—when literally read—that say that disobedient wives can be beaten “lightly,” that Muslims can’t be friends with the Jews and the Christians, and that it’s OK to kill converts from Islam.

    We, as Muslims, need to tear a few pages out of the Quran—symbolically, at least, by rejecting literal adherence to certain problematic verses.

    The Christian faith had to deal with problematic verses from the Book of Deuteronomy that sanctioned violence. Jews have had to confront rigid readings of the Old Testament that sanctioned stonings. Muslims, too, must re-interpret verses that aren’t compatible with life in the 21st century. Look at one literal reading of the 34th verse of the fourth chapter of the Quran, An-Nisa, or Women. “[A]nd (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them,” reads one widely accepted translation. Based on a literal reading, Saudi scholar Abdul Rahman al-Sheha concludes that when dealing with a “disobedient wife,” a Muslim man has a number of options. First, he should remind her of “the importance of following the instructions of the husband in Islam.” If that doesn’t work, he can “leave the wife’s bed.” Finally, he may “beat” her, though it must be without “hurting, breaking a bone, leaving blue or black marks on the body and avoiding hitting the face, at any cost.”

    Such appalling recommendations occur because we haven’t yet universally drawn a line in the sand, as Muslims, and said that this verse may have been progressive for the seventh century when women were supposedly beaten indiscriminately, but it isn’t compatible with the modern day, if read literally. Instead, we do something called the “4:34 dance,” suggesting that the light beating be the result of everything from hitting a woman with noodles (yes, you read that right) to a traditional toothbrush, called a “miswak,” from the root of a plant.

    Hear! Hear! Please go read the whole thing at the link and can we demand more of this from some courageous Muslims? (I hope some of us can stop talking about swimming pools, community centers and the good Imam.)

  154. “HOW OBAMA THINKS”

    Not something Zerobama would enjoy reading.

    forbes.com/forbes/2010/0927/politics-socialism-capitalism-private-enterprises-obama-business-problem.html

    How Obama Thinks
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    Dinesh D’Souza, 09.09.10, 05:40 PM EDT
    Forbes Magazine dated September 27, 2010

    Rather long, so here’s a sampling from the first page:

    Barack Obama is the most antibusiness president in a generation, perhaps in American history. Thanks to him the era of big government is back. Obama runs up taxpayer debt not in the billions but in the trillions. He has expanded the federal government’s control over home mortgages, investment banking, health care, autos and energy. The Weekly Standard summarizes Obama’s approach as omnipotence at home, impotence abroad.

    The President’s actions are so bizarre that they mystify his critics and supporters alike. Consider this headline from the Aug. 18, 2009 issue of the Wall Street Journal: “Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling.” Did you read that correctly? You did. The Administration supports offshore drilling–but drilling off the shores of Brazil. With Obama’s backing, the U.S. Export-Import Bank offered $2 billion in loans and guarantees to Brazil’s state-owned oil company Petrobras to finance exploration in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro–not so the oil ends up in the U.S. He is funding Brazilian exploration so that the oil can stay in Brazil.

    More strange behavior: Obama’s June 15, 2010 speech in response to the Gulf oil spill focused not on cleanup strategies but rather on the fact that Americans “consume more than 20% of the world’s oil but have less than 2% of the world’s resources.” Obama railed on about “America’s century-long addiction to fossil fuels.” What does any of this have to do with the oil spill? Would the calamity have been less of a problem if America consumed a mere 10% of the world’s resources?

    The oddities go on and on. Obama’s Administration has declared that even banks that want to repay their bailout money may be refused permission to do so. Only after the Obama team cleared a bank through the Fed’s “stress test” was it eligible to give taxpayers their money back. Even then, declared Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, the Administration might force banks to keep the money.

    [snip]

    Obama’s foreign policy is no less strange. He supports a $100 million mosque scheduled to be built near the site where terrorists in the name of Islam brought down the World Trade Center. Obama’s rationale, that “our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable,” seems utterly irrelevant to the issue of why the proposed Cordoba House should be constructed at Ground Zero.

    Recently the London Times reported that the Obama Administration supported the conditional release of Abdel Baset al-Megrahi, the Lockerbie bomber convicted in connection with the deaths of 270 people, mostly Americans. This was an eye-opener because when Scotland released Megrahi from prison and sent him home to Libya in August 2009, the Obama Administration publicly and appropriately complained. The Times, however, obtained a letter the Obama Administration sent to Scotland a week before the event in which it said that releasing Megrahi on “compassionate grounds” was acceptable as long as he was kept in Scotland and would be “far preferable” to sending him back to Libya. Scottish officials interpreted this to mean that U.S. objections to Megrahi’s release were “half-hearted.” They released him to his home country, where he lives today as a free man.

    One more anomaly: A few months ago nasa Chief Charles Bolden announced that from now on the primary mission of America’s space agency would be to improve relations with the Muslim world. Come again? Bolden said he got the word directly from the President. “He wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science and math and engineering.” Bolden added that the International Space Station was a model for nasa’s future, since it was not just a U.S. operation but included the Russians and the Chinese. Obama’s redirection of the agency caused consternation among former astronauts like Neil Armstrong and John Glenn, and even among the President’s supporters: Most people think of nasa’s job as one of landing on the moon and Mars and exploring other faraway destinations. Sure, we are for Islamic self-esteem, but what on earth was Obama up to here?

    Theories abound to explain the President’s goals and actions. Critics in the business community–including some Obama voters who now have buyer’s remorse–tend to focus on two main themes. The first is that Obama is clueless about business. The second is that Obama is a socialist–not an out-and-out Marxist, but something of a European-style socialist, with a penchant for leveling and government redistribution.

    [end page 1 of 5]

  155. turndownobama
    September 9th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    I don’t think that’s true. It’s perfectly legal to burn either, and it’s perfectly normal to be offended by someone burning either. However, it’s also perfectly normal for one to speak out against burning either as Hillary, Patraeus, Obama and many others have.

  156. mj, Really Im not calling anyone a liar…I don’t do that, but the truth is the truth. Obama wanted to make some hay over this and even Hillary was asking why a congregation of 50 gets worldwide news??? Well they weren’t talking about on Fox while I was at home, but CNN was on it like it was 9/11 all over again. CNN gets their orders from the WH as does NBC, Obama used this to drum up a racial divide as he does when he calls everyone a racist. This is what Obama does. I am 60 y.o. and I have never seen racial tension like this. There is not just pockets of racial tension like usual, but it countrywide. Its Obama and his technique of getting/keeping everyone riled up.

  157. This whole thing is about white people…he is trying to turn the world against us by calling us racists, we are islamaphobists, homophobics and all religious nuts that cling to God, guns and the flag.

    He and others has decided in the next few years there will be less white people, so now they are going to cater to the other races….so I guess were in for another civil war ala Potantate Obama.

  158. Well, I don’t think that’s true. I think this is something the media focused on because it is a slow news cycle. Obama surrounds himself with almost a completely white male staff. When he served on the state leg he had his precinct gerrymandered to include less blacks and more elite whites. I just don’t agree with your analysis at all.

  159. mj, You obviously know more about him than I do, unfortunately the only thing I know about him personally is that he is a cheater and a thug, besides that nothing else matters.

  160. Now the Imam is saying moving the mosque will be a good recruitment tool for Osama.

    This doesn’t make sense if the reason for the mosque being there is to teach tolerance…why would it be then a recruitment tool….because its seen as a victory mosque, not one of tolerance…what do they think were stupid.

    you recruit em’, we’ll kill em’, so go for it!

  161. (from AGI’s post at NQ)
    Why is the good and pious, peace-loving, unity-building Ground Zero Imam talking like this:

    Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf told CNN that the discourse surrounding the center has become so politicized that moving it could strengthen the ability of extremists abroad to recruit and wage attacks against Americans, including troops fighting in the Middle East.

    “But if you don’t do this right, anger will explode in the Muslim world,” he later said, predicting that the reaction could be more furious than the eruption of violence following the 2005 publication of Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

  162. What this country is going thru right now is the same as what Israel has been going thru for centuries.

    You try to get along with the muslims and appease them, they burn your flag, your bible, effagies of political figures, yet they don’t want you to do the same thing to them….they are like spoiled children. What I did with my spoiled children, they got a spanking and they got sent to bed. They did try that crap again….you can’t give these morons an inch or they will take a mile. Moderate Muslims should be aware of it and realize how we have to treat extremists of all religions….Does Waco ring a bell???

  163. The response by the lawyer to Trump’s offer makes me furious. The Imam and his “buddies” are using this situation to create a win-win situation for the Muslims and a lose-lose situation (damned if you do and damned if you don’t) for New Yorkers.

    There is no way this is going to end well. Already the threats of terrorist violence are appearing if the location changes. They are just waiting for an excuse and obama has helped them to achieve a checkmate situation that just makes me sick to my stomach.

  164. Your move, Mr. Abbas

    By Charles Krauthammer
    Friday, September 10, 2010

    The prospects are dim but the process is right. The Obama administration is to be commended for structuring the latest rounds of Middle East talks correctly. Finally, we’re leaving behind interim agreements, of which the most lamentable were the Oslo accords of 1993.

    The logic then was that issues so complicated could only be addressed step by step in the expectation that things get easier over time. In fact, they got harder. Israel made concrete concessions — bringing in Yasser Arafat to run the West Bank and Gaza — in return for which Israel received growing threats, continuous incitement and finally a full-scale terror war that killed more than a thousand innocent Israelis.

    Among the victims was the Israeli peace movement and its illusions about Palestinian acceptance of Israel. The Israeli left, mugged by reality, is now moribund. And the Israeli right is chastened. No serious player believes it can hang on forever to the West Bank.

    This has created a unique phenomenon in Israel — a broad-based national consensus for giving nearly all the West Bank in return for peace. The moment is doubly unique because the only man who can deliver such a deal is Likud Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu — and he is prepared to do it.

    Hence the wisdom of how the Obama administration has shaped the coming talks: No interim deals, no partial agreements. There are no mutual concessions that can be made separately within the great issues — territory, security, Jerusalem, the so-called right of return — to reach agreement. The concessions must be among these issues — thus if Israel gives up its dream of a united Jerusalem, for example, the Palestinians in return give up their dream of the right of return.

    Most important is the directive issued by U.S. peace negotiator George Mitchell: What’s under discussion is a final settlement of the conflict. Meaning, no further claims. Conflict over.

    What’s standing in the way? Israeli settlements? Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, one of Israel’s most nationalist politicians, lives in a settlement and has said openly that to achieve peace he and his family would abandon their home. What about the religious settlers? Might they not resist? Some tried that during the Gaza withdrawal, clinging to synagogue rooftops. What happened? Jewish soldiers pulled them down and took them away. If Israel is offered real peace, the soldiers will do that again.

    The obstacle today, as always, is Palestinian refusal to accept a Jewish state. That has been the core issue of the conflict from 1947 through Camp David 2000, when Arafat rejected Israel’s extraordinarily generous peace offer, made no counteroffer and started a terror war (the Second Intifada) two months later.

    A final peace was there to be had. It remains on the table today. Unfortunately, there’s no more sign today of a Palestinian desire for final peace than there was at Camp David. Even if Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas wants such an agreement (doubtful but possible), he simply doesn’t have the authority. To accept a Jewish state, Abbas needs some kind of national consensus behind him. He doesn’t even have a partial consensus. Hamas, which exists to destroy Israel, controls part of Palestine (Gaza) and is a powerful rival to Abbas’s Fatah even in his home territory of the West Bank.

    Indeed, this week Abbas flatly told al-Quds, the leading Palestinian newspaper, “We won’t recognize Israel as a Jewish state.” Nice way to get things off on the right foot.

    What will Abbas do? Unable and/or unwilling to make peace, he will exploit President Obama’s tactical blunder, the settlement freeze imposed on Israel despite the fact that Israeli-Palestinian negotiations had gone on without such a precondition for 16 years prior. Abbas will walk out if the freeze is not renewed on Sept. 26. You don’t need to be prescient to see that coming. Abbas has already announced that is what he’ll do.

    That would solve all of Abbas’s problems. It would obviate signing on to a final settlement, fend off Hamas and make Israel the fall guy.

    The trifecta. Why not walk out? The world, which already condemns Israel even for self-defense, will be only too eager to blame Israel for the negotiation breakdown. And there is growing pressure to create a Palestinian state even if the talks fail — i.e., even if the Palestinians make no concessions at all. So why make any?

    The talks are well designed. Unfortunately, Abbas knows perfectly well how to undermine them.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/09/AR2010090904999.html

  165. Talk about a broad brush. My priest is married to a muslim. My dentist is a muslim. And, they are nothing like that. Why don’t you actually try knowing a muslim before you lump them altogether that way? It’s really offensive.

  166. henry,

    May I suggest you go over to hotair for some very funny commentary on this whole media cluisterfark?

    Here’s a sample;

    “may this day be always remember as the Great Koran-Burning-then-not-Burning, Mosque-moving-then-not-Moving, State Dept, Petraeus-Obama involve clusterfark of 9/9/10.”

    Squat looks like an absolute fool for falling for this publicity stunt.

    And, what’s more, as one poster pointed out, crazy as that Flordia pastor may be, he did accomplish the following;

    He Pastor of this church made his point.

    1. Islam is inherently violent.

    2. Just the threat of burning paper ignited the Moslem world.

    3. The POTUS spoke out FOR the GZ Victory Mosque and against Freedom of Speech and Expression by an American on American soil, on privately owned land, on 9/11.

    4. The MSM worked itself into a lather.

    5. The GZ Victory Mosque leader came right out and said, if we don’t build it, there will be blood. A direct or veiled threat.

  167. confloyd
    September 9th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    Because pig headed americans who are not offended by a strip joint in lower manhatan forced out a community center sponsored by american muslims. Frankly, I find it embarrassing. God, get over yourselves. Most of the peope so offended by the community center are not even New Yorkers unlike the Imam. It’s a pathetic, weeny response.

  168. mj
    September 9th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
    ———-
    Who the hell is defending the crazy pastor here? Pl. respond to specific comments and commenters.

  169. The dunderheads at Newsweek don’t get it – why would someone who is popular attach themselves to a “radioactive disaster”. Just ’cause she a girl, don’t mean she dumb, dumbasses. Even some Republicans and moderates realize what could have been and the disaster boob that is:

    **********************************************

    ..’as if…they’ are doing Hillary a favor to let her clean up after O as his executive assistant…dunderheads is being too kind…

    more like…they have had their chance…they stole our country’s moment for victory and substituted fraudulent defeat in O…O has added nothing but fuel to the disaster Bush left…now it is time for all of them to get out of the way and let Hillary have her opportunity to right the wrongs and get us back on track to the peace and prosperity that the Clintons know how to achieve…

    enough with the glorification of O and his self absorbed admin…enough with the vacations, the sports, the parties, the teleprompter…if the dems really care about our country then it is time to bench O…and let Hillary lead…timing is of the essence…we are at the brink…

  170. The Koran burning party is only suspended now, according to yahoo. I guess the pastor is having second thoughts and will not be bullied by extremists. No I don’t think he’s an extremist.

  171. mj, I’ve worked with MANY muslim dr.s, most are very nice, but they are also very demanding of the females who work for/with them. They mostly are very antifemale. I don’t have a problem with muslims at all, but the moderate muslim better stand up and say these fundamentalists are nuts and stand with us and not their muslim terrorist buddies. That is what I have a problem with. We Christian’s don’t stand for/by the David Koresh’s of the world, so neither should the moderate muslim’s stand with Osama bin Ladin.

  172. Why am I not surprised the national discourse has just turned into even more of a soap opera? This is what happens when you elect a preening celebrity as President, America. 🙄

  173. This is absolutely too ridiculous. His foreign relations experience is less than nil and yet he is hanging Hillary out to dry on her statement about Mexico?

    A little insinuation here…a little insinuation there…just like obama, thugs, bots, et al in 2008. It’s starting already…the jackass.

    —————-

    Obama Rejects Hillary Clinton Mexico-Colombia Comparison

    A day after his secretary of state likened Mexico to Columbia in the bad old days of 20 years ago, a narco state struggling with an insurgency at the same time, President Barack Obama rejected the comparison.

    Reuters reports that Obama made the comments to La Opinion, a Los Angeles-based Spanish language newspaper. According to the news service, a transcript of the interview was available only in Spanish from the White House. No English-language version was handy.

    A Reuters excerpt:

    “Mexico is vast and progressive democracy, with a growingeconomy, and as a result you cannot compare what is happeningin Mexico with what happened in Colombia 20 years ago,” Obamatold Los Angeles-based Spanish language newspaper La Opinion.

    Obama’s comments were printed in Spanish and no Englishtranscript was available from the White House.

    Clinton made her comments Wednesday after a speech at the Council on Foreign Relations in response to question. Speaking of Mexico, she said:

    … We face an increasing threat from a well-organized network drug trafficking threat that is, in some cases, morphing into or making common cause with what we would consider an insurgency in Mexico and in Central America.

    And we are working very hard to assist the Mexicans in improving their law enforcement and their intelligence, their capacity to detain and prosecute those whom they arrest. I give President Calderon very high marks for his courage and his commitment. This is a really tough challenge. And these drug cartels are now showing more and more indices of insurgency; all of a sudden, car bombs show up which weren’t there before.

    So it’s becoming – it’s looking more and more like Colombia looked 20 years ago, where the narco-traffickers control certain parts of the country, not significant parts. And Colombia – it got to the point where more than a third of the country, nearly 40 percent of the country at one time or another was controlled by the insurgents, by FARC. But it’s going to take a combination of improved institutional capacity and better law enforcement and, where appropriate, military support for that law enforcement married to political will to be able to prevent this from spreading and to try to beat it back.

    The administration spent Thursday trying to clean up the Clinton’s comments.

    For instance, a State Department official who spoke to reporters on the condition that his name wouldn’t be used, said Clinton was being misinterpreted, that she wasn’t suggesting Mexico had a political insurgency like Colombia did.

    But the comments by the president amounted to a major public correction of his one-time rival for the presidency.

    Considering how rancid the campaign for the Democratic nomination between them was, the public relationship between the president and Clinton has seemed more tranquil than many observers would have predicted.

    Still, the president’s blunt public rejection of Clinton’s framing of the Mexico crisis will no doubt have some observers wondering of there are growing strains between the president and the nation’s chief diplomat.

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/09/09/129760276/obama-rejects-hillary-clinton-mexico-colombia-comparison

  174. Breaking news on Greta: CA judge just declared Don’t Ask Don’t Tell unconstitutional.

    WWPOD?

    What Will Poor Obama Do?

  175. “Breaking news on Greta: CA judge just declared Don’t Ask Don’t Tell unconstitutional.”
    ********
    It will be interesting to read what the legal talking heads have to say about this. From previous discussions about DADT, the Federal Court system has essentially no say about the UCMJ. In unusual situations, the US Supreme Court will hear UCMJ appeals but traditionally they avoid getting involved. Time will tell. Back in the “day” when some people actually beleived that Obama cared about LGBT issues, several “experts” on the UCMJ said that Obama could, as CIC, stop the “finding procedures” and essentially end DADT.

  176. SHV – I wasn’t paying attention to politics as well back then, but didn’t Bill Clinton create Don’t Ask Don’t Tell by… executive order? My hazy memory is making it seem like “he said it, it was done” lol but maybe I’m wrong.

    Anyway, if it WAS an executive order, couldn’t a later president issue an executive order to cancel it out? (although we all know by now BO has no intention of doing that)

    And I wondered, what with this being a state ruling, what that would mean. Do the states have charge over national guards troops? If so, that might explain why it’s a state ruling, if the plaintiff was a national guard member. But then what… appeal to the federal level…? But if it’s a state issue, would it need to go further up the chain….?

  177. Good Evening all. ADMIN – as usual, you are brilliantly funny and always on the mark. Thanks for all your work!

    As for the NPR link and story…must be another junior intern in the writing department reading the instruction sheet on what to ALWAYS say when citing anything Clinton:

    “The administration spent Thursday trying to clean up the Clinton’s comments.”

    THE CLINTON’S COMMENTS? Was Bill there? Nope.

    Interesting.

    and typical.

  178. JanH, 9:55

    Wow, so the little turd is trying to hang Hillary out to dry…probably because she hung his economics out. LOL! Looks like a tit for tat, huh??? Let’s hope this means she’ll get mad enought to say “Take this job and Shove it.”

    You forget where I live, East Texas is pretty fanatically in some churches….way out right wing. Of coarse, I am not. Many of my friends are.

    Here’s the song….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPrSVkTRb24

  179. lorac
    September 9th, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    No. Actually, the law that passed by a veto-proof majority, was not Clinton’s compromoise proposal but rather PUBLIC LAW 103-160, SECTION 654, TITLE 10. The only compromise Clinton was able to get at the time, was that included in the statute the military would not ask enlistees about their sexusl orientation. Clinton wanted to simply lift the ban on gays not being able to serve, but after a very contentious fight, was only able to get that one compromise, not even the much more extensive actual compromise he proposed, though again, he favored a full lift of the ban.

  180. wbboie – what are your thoughts about how we should prepare for the upcoming tsunami heading towards our savings. I’ve put a lot into international funds, hoping that this may protect me from BO’s shenegans, but who knows. My brother hs been moving his money into cash – not “cash” as in the hand – it’s still with the investment group, but in a “safe place”, won’t grow, but won’t take a hi
    What are your economic safety ideas?

  181. lorac
    September 9th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    There is nothing headed toward your savings. What do you mean? Obama isn’t even for a full restoration of Clinton-era taxes. He is for extending many of the Bush-era tax cuts, and for a permanent dividend tax cut of 20%. It’s scheduled to go back to Clinton-era 39.6%.

  182. OK, I haven’t been interested in this Koran burning story, but now I am pist off…Obama has sent the FBI to Florida to talk to the Pastor…
    It’s his constitutional right to burn as many Koran’s as he wants and Obama should NOT be in the middle of this….

    I AM SICK OF THIS MAN! OBAMA!

  183. Obama cannot make a fool of Hillary when he is just flat wrong, mj. He is SO into himself, he sticks his nose into everything just to sound smart. This Mexico bruhaha reminds me of the Primaries. He didn’t know what he was talking about then either. Now, because he has a title, he thinks he is suddenly smart.

  184. Norma Desmond
    September 9th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    He just makes me so mad. He should not publicly rebuke his SOS. He’s so arrogant.

  185. What? Sending in the FBI? Where did you read that? I think it is stupid to burn a book, but he can if he wants to. It’s still a free country, as far as I know.

  186. Obama said this white pastor was pulling stunt, what about when Al Sharpton tried to break up Glenn Beck’s rally??

    Why is it always the white, Chrisitan people’s fault?

    Now he is dissing Hillary again, he is outrageous!

    I am not an elite liberal, I have NO white guilt…I have never owned a slave, and none of my relatives did either, they were from Germany. This white guilt thing is just stupid!

  187. FBI agents visit Florida church over Quran burn
    By ANTONIO GONZALEZ and MITCH STACY (AP) – 9 hours ago

    GAINESVILLE, Fla. — FBI agents visited Thursday with a minister of a small Florida church that plans to burn the Quran on Sept. 11, as public safety became a paramount concern and President Barack Obama added his voice to the chorus of opposition.

    Elsewhere, hundreds of angry Afghans burned an American flag and chanted “Death to the Christians” to protest the planned burning of Islam’s holiest text.

    Obama urged the Rev. Terry Jones to “listen to those better angels” and call off his plan.

    In an interview with ABC’s “Good Morning America,” Obama said what Jones proposes “is completely contrary to our values as Americans. This country has been built on the notion of freedom and religious tolerance.”

    The FBI spent about a half hour talking with Jones, but church spokesman Wayne Sapp would not disclose what they discussed. Agents leaving the church wouldn’t talk to an Associated Press reporter.

    Jones said earlier this week that agents have visited him twice since he announced his plans in July, the last visit about two weeks ago.

    Jones will make a statement later Thursday that will address the FBI visit and the president’s statement imploring him to cancel the burning and calling it a “stunt,” his spokesman said.

    Florida Gov. Charlie Crist said he would closely monitor what happens Saturday at the Dove Outreach Center in Gainesville to try to ensure people are safe. U.S. embassies around the world will be doing the same after being ordered by the State Department to assess their security. Officials fear the burning could spark anti-American violence, including against soldiers.

    “In addition to being offensive, the Gainesville protest puts at risk those brave Americans who are fighting abroad for the freedoms and values that we believe in as Americans,” said Crist, who is running as an independent for the U.S. Senate.

    The international police organization Interpol issued a global alert to its 188 member-countries determining “strong likelihood” of violent attacks if the burn goes forward. Interpol said in a statement that Pakistan’s interior minister, Rehman Malik, called the organization and asked it to warn other police forces around the world of an increased terror threat.

    In Afghanistan, local officials in Mahmud Raqi, the capital of the Kapisa province some 60 miles northeast of Kabul, estimated that up to 4,000 people protested the planned burning. But NATO spokesman James Judge said there were between 500 to 700 people. Judge added that the Quran burning is “precisely the kind of activity the Taliban uses to fuel their propaganda efforts to reduce support” for coalition forces.

    Despite the mounting pressure to call off the bonfire, Jones said he has received much encouragement and supporters have sent him copies of the Quran to burn.

    “As of right now, we are not convinced that backing down is the right thing,” said Jones, 58, who took no questions at a news conference Wednesday.

    Jones said in an interview with USA Today that he had not been contacted by the White House, State Department or Pentagon. If such a call comes, he said, “that would cause us to definitely think it over. That’s what we’re doing now. I don’t think a call from them is something we would ignore.”

    At Wednesday’s news conference, Jones was flanked by an armed escort and said he has received more than 100 death threats since announcing in July that he would stage “International Burn-a-Koran Day.” The book, according to Jones, is evil because it espouses something other than biblical truth and incites radical, violent behavior among Muslims.

    Muslims consider the Quran the word of God and insist it be treated with the utmost respect. At least one cleric in Afghanistan said it is the duty of Muslims to react and that could mean killing Americans.

    In Gainesville, police will already be dealing with some 90,000 football fans Saturday and even more tailgaters for the Florida-South Florida game.

    Gainesville Mayor Craig Lowe condemned the church’s plans and asked residents to watch for suspicious behavior. At least one counter-protest was planned by a University of Florida student group.

    City officials were increasing security, but wouldn’t go into detail about how many extra officers will be used, saying only that they were coordinating with other cities and tallying expenses.

    “We are sending a bill for services to the Dove World Outreach Center. We’re tracking our costs,” said city spokesman Bob Woods. “I’m sure the cost will be substantial.”

    Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan, e-mailed The Associated Press to say “images of the burning of a Quran would undoubtedly be used by extremists in Afghanistan — and around the world — to inflame public opinion and incite violence.” It comes as an emotional debate continues over a proposed Islamic center near the ground zero site of the 2001 terrorist attacks in New York.

    Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said that the pastor’s plans were outrageous, and along with Defense Secretary Robert Gates, urged Jones to cancel the event.

    Not just the Democratic administration has weighed in. Ex-Alaska governor and former Republican candidate for vice president Sarah Palin said in a Facebook post that although people have the constitutional right to burn the Quran, doing so would be an “insensitive and an unnecessary provocation — much like building a mosque at ground zero.”

    Conservative radio and television host Glenn Beck wrote in an Internet blog that burning the Quran is like burning the flag or the Bible — something people can do in the United States, but shouldn’t. Legal experts have said the burning would likely be protected by the First Amendment’s right to free speech.

    The foreign ministries of Pakistan and the Gulf nation of Bahrain issued some of the first official denunciations in the Muslim world, with Bahrain calling it a “shameful act which is incompatible with the principles of tolerance and coexistence.” Bahrain is home to the U.S. Fifth Fleet, which is responsible for naval forces in the Persian Gulf.

    The president of Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim nation, has also sent a letter to Obama asking him to stop the bonfire.

    In Pakistan, about 200 lawyers and civil society members marched and burned a U.S. flag in the central Pakistani city of Multan, demanding that Washington halt the burning of the Muslim holy book.

    “If Quran is burned, it would be beginning of destruction of America,” read one English-language banner held up by the protesters, who chanted “Down with America!”

    Jones’ Dove Outreach Center is independent of any denomination. It follows the Pentecostal tradition, which teaches that the Holy Spirit can manifest itself in the modern day. Pentecostals often view themselves as engaged in spiritual warfare against satanic forces.

    The Vatican also denounced the protest and a religious watchdog group, Military Religious Freedom Foundation, said it would send a copy of the Quran to the Afghan National Army for every one that might be burned.

    Franklin Graham, the son of evangelist Billy Graham, tried to call Jones twice on Wednesday but was unable to reach him and has now written him a letter urging him not to proceed, according to a spokesman.

    “It’s never right to deface or destroy sacred texts or writings of other religions even if you don’t agree with them,” Franklin Graham said in a statement.

    In 2001, Graham described Islam as evil. The U.S. Army earlier this year rescinded his invitation to speak at a Pentagon prayer breakfast after a religious freedom group raised an objection, citing his past remarks

  188. No the police is also charging this little church with all their expenses….what about the expenses of 9/11 and all the other crap these muslims have incurred on America….when are they going to pay?

  189. Squat looks like an absolute fool for falling for this publicity stunt.
    ————————–
    Now now now Basil. You must cut his our great leader a little slack. Look at it this way.

    1. first he celebrates Rhamadan at the White House, another historic first.

    2. second, in the course of the evening and under the influence of in vino veritas he says they (ultimately the Saudis) have a constitutional right to build their victory mosque at ground zero period. (or words to that effect)

    3. third, exactly one day later in a sober state and under the rising tide of anger across the country he issues a de facto retraction, i.e well, sheeeeeet, just because I said they have a constitutional right to build the victory mosque at ground zero does not mean I think it is a good no sireee–not me. (or words to that effect).

    Since Barack is an avid fan of baseball, but has very little information on the subject as past interviews have shown. But one thing he does know is the wisdom of Yogi Berra, who advised us as follows:

    “WHEN YOU COME TO A FORK IN THE ROAD–TAKE IT.” That is what Barack is doing.

  190. Obama urged the Rev. Terry Jones to “listen to those better angels” and call off his plan.

    In an interview with ABC’s “Good Morning America,” Obama said what Jones proposes “is completely contrary to our values as Americans. This country has been built on the notion of freedom and religious tolerance.”
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    Does Obama ever listen to himself…of coarse its a free country and we have religious tolerance…thats why Jones can do what he damn well wants to do..

    The satanist kill chickens and animals, no one gripes about that!

  191. confloyd
    September 9th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    Confloyd, on that end, the guy brought attention to himself. I already told you, he got in big trouble in Germany for having his parishoners work for free basically as slaves for his export business, until they turned him in. If he broke the law, he broke the law. What does this have to do with muslims? He’s like a cultist. He’s not some simple run of the mill christian preacher.

  192. confloyd
    September 9th, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    Confloyd, sorry but this is not about this guy being white. I think you are reading waaaay too much into this. I think if an American muslim Imam was set to have a bible burning day on Christmas the media would swarm, and Obama would make exactly the same comments. This is not a white thing. Hillary also said this guy shouldn’t do this.

  193. mj, I don’t know about what this guy did in Germany and I don’t know if he has repented and has been forgiven….but I do know its his constitutional right to burn those Koran’s.

    I have sinned, how about you mj??? We all fall short of God’s glory. I have no idea what kind of man this guy is, but I do know Obama is good at smear campaigns…just ask Hillary!

  194. We are hostages to their threat. Obama wants us to live in fear of them.

    OBAMA: If he’s listening, I just hope he understands that what he’s proposing to do is completely contrary to our values of Americans. That this country has been built on the notions of religious freedom and religious tolerance.

    And as a very practical matter, as commander of chief of the Armed Forces of the United States I just want him to understand that this stunt that he is talking about pulling could greatly endanger our young men and women in uniform who are in Iraq, who are in Afghanistan. We’re already seeing protests against Americans just by the mere threat…that he’s making.

    … this is a recruitment bonanza for Al Qaeda. You know, you could have serious violence in places like Pakistan or Afghanistan. This could increase the recruitment of individuals who’d be willing to blow themselves up in American cities, or European cities. You know and so you know, I just hope that, he says he’s … he’s someone who’s motivated by his faith….

    STEPHANOPOULOS: I wonder what this must feel like from behind your desk. You’re President of the United States. You have to deal with the fallout. And he’s a pastor who’s got 30 followers in his church. Does it make you feel helpless or angry?

    OBAMA: It, well it is frustrating. Now, on the other hand, we are a government of laws. And so, we have to abide by those laws. And my understanding is that he can be cited for public burning. But that’s the extent of the laws that we have available to us. You know, part of this country’s history is people doing destructive or offensive or harmful things. And yet, we still have to make sure that we’re following the laws. And that’s part of what I love about this country.

    And what the fuck is he talking about in his second response? What about freedom of expression even if it is of a nutcase pastor’s? So he sent FBI to tell the pastor about citation for public burning? (/snark)

    Don’t get me started on that npr article about his idiocy toward Hillary.

  195. Confloyd – the article doesn’t state that the FBI was sent – but it did say the Pastor had received over 100 death threats. Most folks who have received death threats get a visit from Law Enforcement. This is a “national event” and the FBI is well within its jurisdiction to pay him a visit. I do not see this as “Obama sending the FBI” to intimidate him.

    Yet.

  196. mj, Of coarse, he shouldn’t do this, not because its wrong…but because people’s lives will be in danger…as far as I’m concerned he can burn them. I have to think if it touched off some horrible event, we’d all have a different opinion that day.

    These muslims should not be controlling our way of life….and no I don’t think Obama would say the same thing.

  197. As a resident of Florida I have been hearing this on local radio for ages. I believe it was the mayor of Gainesville who said he would be cited for burning if he did it. Apparently he had applied for a permit and was denied.

  198. Anyway, if it WAS an executive order, couldn’t a later president issue an executive order to cancel it out?
    ********
    My recollection of the sequence of events was that during the primary, Clinton was asked at a “town Hall” at Harvard(?) what he would do about Gays in the Military. In his own mind, I think that he was thinking about Truman and the exec order desegregating the military. He spoke with-out knowing what he was talking about and said he would change the prohibition. The huge difference was that segregation was by exec order (Wilson (?)) and tradition but being Black was not illegal under the UCMJ. Homosexuality was illegal by military law and couldn’t be changed by the President, even acting as he CIC.

    Again, homosexuality was illegal and a court martial offense under the UCMJ and the law could only be change by Congress. Both Colin Powell, Chm. Joint Chiefs and Sam Numm Chm. Senate Armed Services Committee repeatedly stabbed Clinton in the back and the best that he could do was DADT which essentially decriminalized being gay in the military.

  199. US fundamentalist pastor Terry Jones, who wants to burn copies of the Koran on Sept. 11, ran a church in the western German city of Cologne until last year when members of the congregation expelled him. Former members have spoken of his hate-filled sermons and insistence on “blind obedience.”

    The world is holding its breath — and it’s all down to a tiny Christian fundamentalist church in Florida.

    Next Saturday, on the anniversary of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Rev. Terry Jones and his colleagues plan to burn hundreds of copies of the Koran on the church’s property in Gainesville, Florida.

    The White House has condemned the plan, and Muslim organizations around the world have warned of the consequences should the Koran-burning go ahead. But the church is sticking to its plans.

    Naturally the radical Islamophobes know very well that their deliberate provocation could trigger potentially violent protests and riots. But they have washed their hands of any responsibility. “Let’s just make one thing clear,” the wannabe Koran-burners write on their blog. “A small church, in a small town, down a back road, burning copies of its own books, on its own property, is not responsible for the violent actions anyone may take in retaliation to our protest.”

    Terry Jones, the man behind the action, is the pastor of the Dove World Outreach Center, a church that manages to attract a Sunday congregation of just 50 people, members of the radical fringe of the evangelical movement. Jones, a 58-year-old former hotel manager with a distinctive mustache, is also the author of a polemic book titled “Islam Is of the Devil.”

    ‘Climate of Fear and Control’

    In the United States, Jones has already attracted attention on several occasions as an Islamophobic provocateur. What is less well known is that the pastor led a charismatic evangelical church, the Christian Community of Cologne, in the western German city up until 2009. Last year, however, the members of the congregation kicked founder Jones out, because of his radicalism. One of the church’s current leaders, Stephan Baar, also told the German news agency DPA that there had been suspicions of financial irregularities in the church surrounding Jones.

    A “climate of fear and control” had previously prevailed in the congregation, says one former member of the church who does not want to be named. Instead of free expression, “blind obedience” was demanded, he says.

    Various witnesses gave SPIEGEL ONLINE consistent accounts of the Jones’ behavior. The pastor and his wife apparently regarded themselves as having been appointed by God, meaning opposition was a crime against the Lord. Terry and Sylvia Jones allegedly used these methods to ask for money in an increasingly insistent manner, as well as making members of the congregation carry out work.

    Andrew Schäfer, a Protestant Church official responsible for monitoring sects in the region where Cologne is located, confirmed the accounts. “Terry Jones is a fundamentalist,” he told SPIEGEL ONLINE.

    Both major churches in Germany have “sect commissioners” who monitor the activities of religious groups, sects and cults. Although they are obviously not totally impartial, the officials’ findings are usually considered to be trustworthy.

    ‘Delusional Personality’

    Former church members are still undergoing therapy as a result of “spiritual abuse,” Schäfer said. According to Schäfer, Jones urged church members to beat their children with a rod and also taught “a distinctive demonology” and conducted brainwashing.

    “Terry Jones appears to have a delusional personality,” speculates Schäfer. When he came to Germany in the 1980s, Jones apparently considered Cologne “a city of Hell that was founded by Nero’s mother,” while he thought Germany was “a key country for the supposed Christian revival of Europe,” Schäfer says.

    Terry Jones used his powers of persuasion to expand the congregation. By the end, Schäfer estimates, it numbered between 800 and 1,000 people. They had to work in the so-called “Lisa Jones Houses,” charitable institutions named after his first wife who has since died, under very poor conditions.

    Increasingly Radical

    Jones became increasingly radical as the years went by, former associates say. At one point he wanted to help a homosexual member to “pray away his sins.” Later he began to increasingly target Islam in his sermons. A congregation member reported that some members were afraid to attend services because they expected to be attacked by Muslims. “Terry Jones has a talent for finding topical social issues and seizing on them for his own cause,” says Schäfer.

    By the end of 2007, the community had had enough. Members confronted him and tried to change the direction of the church. But Terry Jones refused to make changes, they say. In the end, Jones, his wife and their fellow preachers were expelled from the church and he moved back to the US. “The community imploded,” says Schäfer. It only has some 80 active members today.

    Now the whole world is condemning Jones for his planned burning of copies of the Koran. Schäfer, for his part, sees Jones as a fanatic who is courting global media attention because he couldn’t cope with the “immense loss of power and significance.”

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,716409,00.html

  200. confloyd
    September 10th, 2010 at 12:03 am

    What are you talking about? First of all “we” includes a lot of muslims. About 3-5 percent of the US pop is muslim. Indeed, by some counts, it is the second largest religion practiced in the country. Second, who wants “us” to live controlled by them? Really, I don’t see it. I agree, he has a right to burn them, but then others have a right to speak out against burning them. They have free speech too.

  201. No “fairytale” Confloyd. I am simply stating the reports I have been hearing and reading LOCALLY – before Obama opened his mouth. And yes, I agree Obama is a thug and Holder is worse – but there are LOCAL ordinances that he has to deal with too. He applied for a burn permit and was denied. He was threatened, and just like would happen with you or me, was visited by the FBI because the threats were interstate.

    The guy is a nut-job, and although I think he is stupid, i fully support his RIGHT to do this if he wants to. THAT is what Obama seems frustrated about. That he HAS the right.

    What is more important to me than this is WHAT IS THE OTHER HAND DOING while the world is going loony over this pissing match? Iran’s “new” secret nuke site would be something maybe Obama could comment on, IMO. Obama is an ass. And he look the other way when the real big issues are hanging right in front of his coke-stained nose.

  202. lorac
    September 9th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
    wbboie – what are your thoughts about how we should prepare for the upcoming tsunami heading towards our savings. I’ve put a lot into international funds, hoping that this may protect me from BO’s shenegans, but who knows. My brother hs been moving his money into cash – not “cash” as in the hand – it’s still with the investment group, but in a “safe place”, won’t grow, but won’t take a hi
    What are your economic safety ideas?
    ———————————–
    I deal with Merrill Lynch. Their conservative model right now is 25% cash, 20% equity, and 55% fixed income. I am slightly higher in equities, higher in fixed income and lower in cash. The key is to have good securities in each of those three asset categories. If I did not have them there to restrain my worst impulses I would be doing what Soros is reportedly doing and moving into gold. As we approach October the risk of a market correction looms large. If there is a major market correction we will be buying equities. Something like 70% of the Fortune 500 revenue is now derived from their overseas operations, so from an investment standpoint we look at the market globally these days.

  203. Why should he get frustrated? Instead of minimizing this nutcase pastor, he is making an example of him for the world. He could simply say this is not America and this is not who we are (like Hillary said) and leave it at that.

  204. Obama has to jump on ANYTHING that keeps HIS NAME (and opinion) in the news. It has very little to do with the pastor at all. This is ONE President I believe NO ONE in the nation looks to for advice in “troubled times.”

  205. pm – is seems as if Obama is ‘frustrated’ because the IS NOTHING he can DO about it. That Pesky Constitution of Negative Liberties.

  206. Norma Desmond
    September 9th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    He just makes me so mad. He should not publicly rebuke his SOS. He’s so arrogant.
    ***********
    This was the “best” comment in the NPR piece:

    “The administration spent Thursday trying to clean up the Clinton’s comments.”

    I hope Obama keeps having tantrums about Hillary…I am waiting for him to show up at a “presser” with ball-bearings in his hand.

  207. There was coverage of Pastor Jones and Imam Musri on the local evening news out of Orlando. I tried to find the video where Imam Musri spoke for a length of time but was not successful. If you would like to follow local coverage from Orlando and central Florida you can go to myfoxorlando.com.

  208. i am off to bed. Give a prayer for the woman the lovely Iranian government is still contemplating stoning to death. Pastor Quack and Imam Tonedeaf certainly aren’t.

    Nite.

  209. Norma Desmond, that question from Stephanopolis is hilarious — Are you helpless? are you angry? Where do they find these fuckers?

  210. SHV – NPR is seeing ghosts. As far as I know, WJC wasn’t even in the room…..

    the “Clinton’s” was all Hillary. But then, she was always twice as good anyway!

    Obama will probably pull her of the ME Peace talks now and send her to Iceland or something just to “show her”

    And screw up the ME Peace thing in the process. He is SO IMPUDENT.

  211. pm317, thanks for the video. But, the one that I was talking about was when Fox 35 interviewed Jones and Musri in the same interview at the grounds of the church on the evening news. Funny the video cut off as soon as the Imam was asked what would muslims reaction be to the burning of the US flag be.

  212. “Mexico is vast and progressive democracy, with a growingeconomy, and as a result you cannot compare what is happeningin Mexico with what happened in Colombia 20 years ago,” Obamatold Los Angeles-based Spanish language newspaper La Opinion.
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    The man is detached from reality. The reason he does not want to acknowledge that parts of Mexico, and even the United States are in danger of becoming narco controlled is because were he to do so he would have no defense for his failure to protect our border. Mexico is not a vast and progressive democracy as he asserts. It is a plutocracy. The wealth in concentrated in less than 100 families and as one of them put it to me 8% of our country is Spanish and the rest are indios. This particular guy drove a Rolls-Royce and owned a vast tract of land which he traced back to Juan Soldier of Spain 1509.

  213. “The administration spent Thursday trying to clean up the Clinton’s comments.”

    ROFLMAO, This statement is sooo fucking hilarious. Who is the genius? There were no articles talking about her speech and comments (barring the righty complementary ones) and there were no articles talking about the ‘clean up.’

    When can Hillary wave ‘Bye, Bye’ to this administration? I would like to hear her say to Obama ‘Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn’ while Obama pleads with her ‘where shall I go? what shall I do?’ if she leaves him.

  214. Wbboei, The lightbringer (Obama) was supposed to ease tensions between the black and the white, the muslim and the American, he was going to stop global warming, end all wars, women were supposed to have untold new rights….
    What he has done was to restart the war between the blacks and the whites, the muslim against the american, out the window went new green technology, he’s started new wars that are under the radar, and he treats Hillary like his own personal slave…and he doesn’t play golf with women…

    The great and almighty lightbringer is without any light at all! Since he’s been in office, its complete darkness.

  215. This is wierd. If Jones can blackmail Rauf (or anyone else), then even if Jones backs down, any other nut can buy some other Korans and try the same thing.

    Maybe we should pass a national law right quick. Or maybe the threats and the FBI are enough?

    Maybe there’s a place for fatwa after all. 😉

  216. Quaker Petition in Support of the Manhattan Muslim Cultural Center
    The Friends Committee on National Legislation has created a petition for those who support the right of American Muslims to gather and worship in their chosen place, and manner:

    I stand with American Muslims and their supporters in the Christian and Jewish faith who are planning to build an Islamic Cultural Center in downtown Manhattan.

    I stand with American Muslims in exercising their freedom to gather and worship, as guaranteed by our U.S. Constitution.

    As a people and as a country, we can continue this country’s project to build a more perfect union by welcoming the Islamic Cultural Center and helping it to become a reality.

    http://action.fcnl.org/petitions/e_only/we_stand_with_american_muslims/

    A good cause, but I hope they aren’t quoting Obama on purpose. 😉

  217. mj
    September 9th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
    =================================

    Wow! You know two Muslims, and rather intimately to say the least! As if you know everything about your dentist, and your priest’s wife. Get over YOURSELF, mj.

  218. I read this comment yesterday and I agreed with it hearty because I don’t acknowledge Islam as a religion. The quote “religion of murder waiting for a shadow from which to strike” is vivid, I copied it and emailed it to everyone I know.

    “Lee Louviere

    You know, if the whole Muslim world finds an excuse to kill Christians worldwide because of the actions of one church, they DID NOT find excuse…..
    ….. they already had it planned.

    With this in mind, we realize, that this religion of peace, is a religion of murder waiting for a shadow from which to strike.

    It’s easy for a Muslim leader to throw up his hands and warn the church in Bagdad that they may die because of one little 200 member church in the boondocks. It’s harder for said Muslim leader to engage and protest against the Muslims willing to kill the members of the church in Bagdad.

    When a peaceful leader allows his followers to murder innocents, then the blood is on his own head.

    Therefore, by association, and unwillingness to act and prevent the
    hostility of their own members, there are few remaining peaceful Muslims (those that do condemn the actions of terrorists), and none of those are leaders in their faith.

    So tell me, what’s left to acknowledge.

    When the day comes that faithful, peaceful Muslims, stand against the
    criminals who hide behind their faith, then I will recognize Islam as a religion.”

    And I’d like to add “When a “honor killer” is forced to take his own life for his failure as either a husband or father, or it is taken from him by his peers, preferably by burying him up to his neck and stoning him, I will recognize Islam as a religion.”

  219. mj,

    TYou are the one who is lying. I did not defend the Florida pastor. I pointed out the irony of the often unintended results of actions.

    He may be fanatic – just like many in the Mulsim world – but he did bring into evidence the absolute over-tue-top insane fanatacism of certain sects worldwide.

    If you can’t understand that it’s not my fault.

    BTW, the term ‘priest’ usually refers to those in the Catholic faith, as I’m sure you’re aware.

    And you have no monopoly on knowing Muslims. I’m sure I’ve known dozens more than you, having lived in the most densely-Muslim populated area on the east coast for a decade. And, no, I was not impressed, especially with the burka-wearing ten-steps-behind-the-man women I saw everywhere. Not with the roughly half of the 911 hi-jackers who lived there. And not with the crowds of men around the mosque in downtown Paterson who would stare at western women as if they wanted to wipe them off the earth.

    Freedom of speech trumps book-burning in this country. The fact that top level Americans are capitulating to threats from Muslim communities overseas if the mad pastor completes his assignment is what worries me. Giving into bullies is never a good tactic.

  220. moononpluto
    September 10th, 2010 at 5:38 am
    ————-
    {Sorry for your loss.}

    Goolsbee, yeah, looks like Obama is just not confident enough to hire new advisers and let new people into his inner circle. This will constrain him in finding the best possible solutions. What is he afraid of, right?

    Worth repeating what Hillary said at CFR.
    “That first Q/A is revealing. She says more than what is in print — she says that there are a lot of people who know more about what needs to be done and who have a responsible view and frankly their voices are not being heard and it is a great disservice to our nation..(almost verbatim, starts around 43:20). If that is not an indictment on the current administration not using all resources at its disposal, what is?”

  221. The Washington Post also comments…

    Obama, Clinton split on drug war parallels

    By Anne E. Kornblutand Scott Wilson
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Friday, September 10, 2010

    Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton sees similarities between the drug violence now afflicting Mexico and Colombia’s narco-war of the 1980s. President Obama, not so much.

    “You can’t compare what is happening in Mexico with what happened in Colombia,” Obama told a Spanish-language newspaper in remarks published on its Web site on Thursday.

    Obama’s remarks in La Opinion appeared at odds with Clinton’s comments a day earlier that the situation in Mexico is “looking more and more like Colombia looked 20 years ago,” with drug traffickers controlling “parts of the country.”

    “In Colombia, it got to the point where. . . more than a third of the country – nearly 40 percent of the country at one time or another – was controlled by the insurgents, by FARC,” Clinton said, referring to the Colombian revolutionary group.

    The two sets of comments seemed to reflect a rare disagreement between Obama and Clinton, former political rivals who have gone to great lengths to emphasize their unity and growing friendship over the past year and a half.

    But the administration denied that there was any daylight between the president and his secretary of state.

    Asked whether Obama’s interview contradicted Clinton’s, State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley replied, “Not at all.”

    “These are two different countries and different circumstances. The Secretary completely agrees,” Crowley said in an e-mail. “What she was saying is that, first, criminal organizations are challenging authority in Mexico as we saw in Colombia. The growing brutality is beginning to resemble what Colombia experienced. Colombia turned its situation around through decisive action by a democratic government, supported by the United States and the international community. We are seeing the same sustained action by the Mexican government. As she said also, this is a shared responsibility and we and others need to support Mexico in this effort.”

    Obama, in the interview, said the reason the two countries cannot be compared is the gap between their economies.

    “Mexico is a large and progressive democracy with a growing economy,” Obama said.

    But in fact, two decades ago in Colombia, the elected president, Cesar Gaviria, pushed through a series of economic reforms known as “the opening,” which, despite drug-related violence, led to years of economic growth. With U.S. assistance, Gaviria’s government tracked down and killed Pablo Escobar, the head of the Medellin cartel, in 1993.

    Clinton’s comments made the front pages of Mexico’s national daily newspapers and were fodder for cable news and talk radio on Wednesday and Thursday morning.

    Obama’s remarks went up on news Web sites and television news Thursday afternoon.

    The stories reported that Obama “rejected” or “corrected” Clinton’s statements. “Obama: You cannot compare Mexico to Colombia” was the headline on the El Universal news Web site.

    Clinton’s remarks were controversial in Mexico. President Felipe Calderon administration’s central mission is to not become like Colombia was 20 years ago, when car bombs exploded daily in the national capital and driving into the countryside was risky.

    Responding to Clinton on Wednesday, Calderon’s national security adviser Alejandro Poire said, “We do not share these findings, as there is a big difference between what Colombia faced and what Mexico is facing today.”

    Poire also took a dig at the United States, saying that the only thing the two conflicts have in common is that the drug cartels in both countries are “nourished by the enormous, gigantic demand for drugs in the United States.”

    Some Mexican leaders, however, agreed with Clinton’s assessment. Many anti-narcotics experts and law enforcement agents, along with Mexican journalists, frequently debate the comparisons between Mexico’s drug war and the one waged in Colombia.

    “We are on our way to Colombianization,” said Mexican senator Alejandro Gonzalez, who belongs to Calderon’s center-right party.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/09/AR2010090906741.html

  222. As Barack Obama dithers, Hillary Clinton offers a glimpse of what might have been

    There is a growing sense in Washington that the party backed the wrong candidate, writes Con Coughlin.

    10 Sep 2010

    As America prepares to mark the ninth anniversary of the September 11 attacks, President Obama’s inability to get a firm grip on the deeply emotional issues involved is raising further questions about his leadership.

    For a president battling disastrous poll ratings, the announcement that a hitherto unknown Florida pastor was planning to burn copies of the Koran should have provided an opportunity to show he had what it takes. As Commander-in-Chief, Mr Obama has an unequivocal duty to protect the hundreds of thousands of American men and women serving on the front lines of their country’s conflicts. And General David Petraeus, the commander of US forces in Afghanistan, had already issued a warning that Americans would be at risk from attack by Islamist extremists if the book-burning stunt went ahead.

    Yet it took an international outcry from the world’s leading Muslim nations before Mr Obama could be persuaded to intervene. Suddenly aware that relationships with key regional allies such as Indonesia and Pakistan were being imperilled by the publicity-seeking antics of a small-time cleric in rural Florida, the president finally made a statement. Speaking on American television yesterday morning, he appealed to Terry Jones, who leads a congregation of just 50 followers, to abandon his plans on the grounds that they would become a “recruitment bonanza” for al-Qaeda.

    Mr Obama’s ponderous response was in stark contrast to the sure-footed approach of Hillary Clinton, his Secretary of State. Speaking earlier in the week at a Ramadan dinner for Muslim leaders, she denounced Mr Jones’s proposed stunt as “disrespectful and disgraceful”.

    America’s First Amendment, which enshrines the right of every citizen to freedom of expression, means that the government is constitutionally constrained in how it goes about curbing such potentially inflammatory activities. In the Seventies, when the predominantly Jewish community in the Chicago suburb of Skokie asked the Supreme Court to ban a neo-Nazi rally there, the judges ruled that they were bound by the constitution not to intervene.

    Even so, Mrs Clinton’s handling of this latest drama has made Mr Obama look out of touch, seemingly lacking in the instinctive leadership qualities that Americans expect. Muslim sensibilities might not be top of every American voter’s priorities in the wake of the recent failed terrorist plots in Detroit and New York. Indeed, many Americans, particularly those that support the Tea Party’s hard-Right agenda, will applaud burning the Koran as a justifiable protest against the radical Islamist ideology that inspired the September 11 hijackers. But it is a different matter when such antics place the lives of American citizens in jeopardy.

    Part of the explanation for the president’s slow-witted response no doubt stems from his recent, injudicious intervention in the row over the proposal to build a mosque close to Ground Zero. Initially, Mr Obama had suggested that the local Muslim community had every right to build a mosque, but after his comments provoked a political firestorm, he was forced to offer a hasty “clarification”, claiming that he had not meant to refer specifically to the Ground Zero mosque. The next time the issue was raised, his spokesman categorically refused to comment.

    However much Mr Obama’s dwindling band of supporters insist that the Ground Zero debacle was nothing more than a media-generated frenzy, worked up in the dog days of August, the perception has taken hold among voters that their president is desperately out of touch with ordinary Americans.

    During the 2008 campaign, Mr Obama used his great gift of oratory to sweep to victory, overcoming a fierce challenge from the more level-headed, though less inspirational, Mrs Clinton. But two years later, with the Republicans enjoying their strongest forecast for success in November’s mid-term elections since 1942, and Mr Obama’s personal popularity in freefall, it is suddenly Mrs Clinton who appears to be the more experienced and accomplished politician.

    At a time when Mr Obama’s political opponents are seeking to exploit, to their own advantage, the fact that the president’s middle name is “Hussein”, he needs to take extra care when dealing with such sensitive issues. Instead, his less-than-convincing performance has seen many Democrats come to regret their enthusiastic backing two years ago. There is a growing sense in Washington that the party backed the wrong candidate, a view that is likely to harden if, as is now widely predicted, it is humiliated in the mid-term elections. If that is the case, then once the race for the Democratic nomination in 2012 begins, Mrs Clinton can expect to come under ferocious pressure to make amends.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/concoughlin/7993491/As-Barack-Obama-dithers-Hillary-Clinton-offers-aglimpse-of-what-might-have-been.html

  223. Some great articles on Hillary today. Obama must be crying his eyes out.

    ————–

    Hillary Clinton sends strong message to world

    Friday, September 10, 2010

    Hillary Clinton’s blend of diligence, caution and toughness didn’t always serve her well as a presidential candidate. But these attributes make her a powerful secretary of state, the unsung hero for a White House team trying to mend global fences without looking weak.

    In a speech this week, Clinton laid down the law for an audience wondering where Obama is headed on foreign policy. Would she favor hand-holding with rivals such as China and Russia, a sign that Washington was ducking trouble in the name of consensus building?

    Not at all, suggested Clinton in a lengthy speech to the Council of Foreign Relations. In her diplomatic travels, she found a hunger for U.S. leadership, and she wants everyone to know it. “The U.S. can, must and will lead in this century,” she said. The “complexities of this world” mean there’s an opening for “a new American moment, a moment when our global leadership is essential.”

    Her message of strength and obligation may make Obama truehearts swoon. Clinton’s thoughts also come at the start of an election season when President Obama will be knocked for failures overseas along with the economy.

    But it’s also vintage Clinton. From her days on the Senate’s Armed Services Committee, she was always a proponent of military muscle and a tough regard for American foes. She and Defense Secretary Robert Gates, another hawkish voice, are running the Obama foreign policy store.

    Diplomatic speeches, even one as striking as Clinton’s, are a dime a dozen. Clinton’s challenge will be delivering on any of the disputes facing her. There’s a long line: a truculent North Korea, new Mideast talks, a rising China, a defiant Iran, and a half dozen lesser conflicts ranging from African civil wars to drug gangs in Mexico.

    There is newness and complication in her outlook, she indicated. Her job is essentially a permanent road trip, meaning success will hinge on “shoe-leather diplomacy,” the steady attention that the wonky, workaholic Clinton believes is needed for any breakthrough. The Israeli-Palestinian talks, which begin again next week with her at the center, are a chance for her patience and force to pay off. On Iran, she believes that ever-tightening sanctions accepted by a larger group of nations will eventually pay off.

    Her remarks come with other conditions. A soaring national debt and recession worries preoccupy the White House. The nation’s global reach is bounded by financial limits. Her robust views about American might could easily fade next to more pressing domestic worries. Also, no matter how thoughtful or acute her remarks, there will always be detractors who think she’s angling for the top job in the White House.

    Clinton’s doctrine adds urgency in settling affairs on a crowded world stage. Washington has a special duty to lead, a role that much of the world appreciates. It’s time to accept that role, not shy away from it because of political risk or recent history.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/09/09/ED981FBC3A.DTL

  224. Analysis: Obama to weigh broad changes in White House team

    (Reuters) – The likely exit of top aide Rahm Emanuel gives President Barack Obama the chance to make broader staff changes as his Republican rivals look set for a resurgence in November’s congressional elections.

    The prospect of Republicans taking control of the House of Representatives and possibly the Senate in the November 2 elections would force Obama to move in a more centrist policy direction as he lays the groundwork for his 2012 re-election bid.

    Emanuel, Obama’s hard-charging chief of staff, has made no secret that he is considering a run for mayor in his hometown of Chicago, although he has not made a decision yet.

    Other personnel changes are expected after the November elections, where Democrats fear a disastrous showing amid voter discontent as the United States emerges slowly from its worst economic downturn since the 1930s with unemployment persistently near 10 percent.

    Democratic sources say White House economic adviser Larry Summers may leave sometime within the next several months but Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner is likely to stay on.

    “Rahm Emanuel is sort of the keystone that holds the entire team together. You pull that architectural piece out and you’ve got to rearrange the structure,” said Ross Baker, a political scientist at Rutgers University in New Jersey.

    “Whether they are dealing with enhanced Republican minorities or outright Republican majorities, (Emanuel’s replacement) is going to have to be somebody who is not too ideological, who is willing to pursue a more centrist course and who is willing to work on bipartisan initiatives.”

    Obama has a tendency to rely heavily on a small coterie of close aides for advice. Many political analysts believe some fresh thinking and a reshuffled staff might help him arrest the slide in his popularity and bolster his relationships with Congress and the business community.

    “There is an opportunity to bring people in and recharge the White House,” said Christopher Arterton, a political science professor at George Washington University.

    Not all of the difficulties can be attributed to management problems, he said, because much has resulted from the state of the economy Obama inherited.

    Big-ticket legislative items such as healthcare reform and the overhaul of financial regulations have dominated Obama’s first two years in office — with Republicans almost unfailingly trying to block his way.

    The second half of his four-year term may require more agility as he seeks to work with Republicans on issues such as reining in huge budget deficits and creating jobs while implementing the landmark reforms he has already passed.

    “COARSENESS AND FINESSE”

    Emanuel is known as a centrist Democrat but any of the candidates to replace him are likely bring a lower-key style.

    “He has a combination of coarseness and finesse that can’t be duplicated very easily,” Baker said.

    As White House chief of staff, Emanuel has a big influence on advancing Obama’s legislative priorities as well as over who works for the president and even who gets to meet with him.

    Deputy national security adviser Tom Donilon is seen as a leading candidate to replace Emanuel. Ron Klain, chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden and senior Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett would also be strong contenders.

    Donilon is certainly smoother than Emanuel, who is known for his expletive-laced style. Fans of Emanuel say his toughness is part of the secret of his success but others say a less abrasive manner could be a welcome change.

    Still, Emanuel and Donilon are close. Like the current chief of staff, Donilon is a Washington veteran known as a strategic thinker. He is widely respected among White House staff and Obama thinks highly of him.

    But Donilon is not part of the circle of four advisers — Emanuel, Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, top political aide David Axelrod and Jarrett — among whom much of the power in the Obama administration is concentrated.

    All except Emanuel have long-standing ties with Obama and were senior aides during his 2008 presidential campaign.

    “The central question is whether the president will use the opportunity of a staff change for a broadening out of influence,” said one Democrat who speaks frequently to the White House.

    A staff change would also give Obama a chance to recruit a prominent member of the business community amid criticism from some that his administration lacks people with that background at the highest levels.

    Axelrod, who commutes on weekends to Chicago and has long hinted that he planned to stay only a few years in the administration, could be among those who depart after the congressional elections.

    If Axelrod does go, there is widespread speculation Gibbs might move from the spotlight as the main White House spokesman into a behind-the-scenes role as a senior political adviser.

    There have already been a series of changes on Obama’s economic team. White House budget director Peter Orszag left the administration in July and top White House economist Christina Romer stepped down earlier this month.

    Their departures leave unresolved a debate within the White House over whether to focus more heavily on deficit reduction or economic stimulus.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6884Z220100909

  225. “…Mrs Clinton can expect to come under ferocious pressure to make amends…”
    What the HELL does SHE have to make amends for????? No amends can be made on the part of the DSCC, DNC, Dean/Reid/Pelosi/Brazille/RBC/ChicagoCrooks/Dimocrats/Voters for inflicting upon this country and its citizenry the worst President in the history of this nation whose sole goal is to dismantle this country and make it into something other than a republic.

  226. JanH
    September 9th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
    This is absolutely too ridiculous. His foreign relations experience is less than nil and yet he is hanging Hillary out to dry on her statement about Mexico?

    Obama Rejects Hillary Clinton Mexico-Colombia Comparison

    A day after his secretary of state likened Mexico to Columbia in the bad old days of 20 years ago, a narco state struggling with an insurgency at the same time, President Barack Obama rejected the comparison.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Obama is shamelessly trying to appeal to Hispanic voters by “sticking up for them”.

    Hillary’s analogy to Colombia is apt. Mexico is completely out of control:
    * Tourists bringing their valuable tourism dollars are getting killed.
    * Normal Mexican citizens are getting killed.
    * Mexican police are getting killed.
    * American citizens and police and border agents are getting killed by gangs coming across the border.
    * Drug gangs run amok and strangle vast swaths of the country.

    So is this the same country that Obama describes: “Mexico is vast and progressive democracy, with a growing economy, and as a result you cannot compare what is happening in Mexico with what happened in Colombia 20 years ago.” ???

  227. turndownobama
    September 9th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
    The US flag only goes back less than 300 years. Flag-burning went to the US Supreme Court and they said the US Constitution did protect the burning.

    Holy books going back several thousand years are different, sacred.

    Age has nothing to do with it. Religions don’t get a pass just because it is what you call “sacred”. I am perfectly fine with burning either.

  228. At a time when Mr Obama’s political opponents are seeking to exploit, to their own advantage, the fact that the president’s middle name is “Hussein”, he needs to take extra care when dealing with such sensitive issues. Instead, his less-than-convincing performance has seen many Democrats come to regret their enthusiastic backing two years ago. There is a growing sense in Washington that the party backed the wrong candidate, a view that is likely to harden if, as is now widely predicted, it is humiliated in the mid-term elections. If that is the case, then once the race for the Democratic nomination in 2012 begins, Mrs Clinton can expect to come under ferocious pressure to make amends.
    &&&&&&&

    Exactly! If Zerobama is screwing up royally, to the point where people in his own party (even in his own inner circle) are wondering if he can win his own party’s primary, then why is Hillary the one that needs to make amends???

  229. ShortTermer
    September 10th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    ———————

    I took it to mean that she would be under pressure to fix obama and the dims mistakes.

  230. and it gets worse

    Another CBC member caught giving scholarship money to family

    Sanford Bishop steered scholarships to family

    Rep. Sanford Bishop (D-Ga.) awarded three scholarships from the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation to his stepdaughter and wife’s niece between 2003 and 2005, according to records from the non-profit group.

    Bishop is the second Democrat found to have funneled Congressional Black Caucus Foundation scholarship funds to relatives, threatening to turn the program into a larger political problem for the party. Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas) recently paid back $31,000 to the foundation for scholarships that she improperly awarded to various relatives and children of a top staffer.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/41953.html#ixzz0z8e4tNVW

    …..i think i see a pattern.

  231. What are YOU talking about?

    You originally referenced “priest’ without the qualifying “Episcopal.”

    “Talk about a broad brush. My priest is married to a muslim.”

    Maybe you should stop referring to people as liars. You did it to confloyd, to me and several other regular posters.

  232. I cannot believe the way catering to muslim feelings has usurped the ninth anniversary of 911. To allow a handful of fanatics in Florida to control the news cycle for several days and using that to hint at American islamaphobia, not to mention caving in to pressure from overseas fanatics is a disgrace.

    911 is about honoring the 3000 Americans who died at the hands of Muslim fanatics. Instead, the news is all about hurting the feelings of Muslims. This is absolutely disgusting and I suspect very deliberate.

    As usual, Squat walked straight into the issue both guns blazing with no consideration for those 3000 Americans who died at the hands of the very groups he is so avidly defending.

    I couldn’t care less who burns what book in this country. I may not LIKE it, but I won’t question their right to do it. I don’t like flag burners but I have to allow them the freedom to express themselves.

    But that does not extend to the right of non-American overseas muslims to demand I bow to their demands that I perceive their religion with the same view they hold. This is total unadulterated BS.

    If violence occurs it is because it is being encouraged. This entire episode reminds me of the constant race-baiting by this administration which seemed designed to cause violence which could then be pinned on ‘white’ Americans.

    The same thing is being done with inciting the islamo-card.

    Squat has stoked the issue from the very first WTC anniversary he attended as POTUS by TOSSING a rose on the memorial instead of respectfully placing it there. that tells you everything you need to know about that POS. He can bow to other countries but cannot bring himself to bow to the memory of Americans murdered by Muslim fanatics.
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  233. “There is a growing sense in Washington that the party backed the wrong candidate, a view that is likely to harden if, as is now widely predicted, it is humiliated in the mid-term elections. If that is the case, then once the race for the Democratic nomination in 2012 begins, Mrs Clinton can expect to come under ferocious pressure to make amends.”

    I don’t get the underlying reasoning of this last statement in the article. Hillary might come under pressure to make amends? For what?

  234. mj,

    I didn’t mean holy books had more Constitutional protection, or other legal protection. But maybe they should. 😉

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