Hillary Clinton In The Middle East

The New York Times published an article today which is odd. Odd because it is not entirely a hate-fest of rumors and attacks and uninformed opinion:

For much of her tenure as secretary of state, Hillary Rodham Clinton has been less an architect than an advocate for the Obama administration’s Middle East policy. With the resumption of direct talks last week, she now has no choice but to plunge into the rough and tumble of peacemaking.

Mrs. Clinton will be in the thick of the negotiations between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and the Palestinian Authority president, Mahmoud Abbas, when they meet on Sept. 14 in Egypt. Her role, several officials say, will be to take over from the administration’s special envoy, George J. Mitchell, when the two sides run into serious obstacles.

It may prove the greatest test yet for Mrs. Clinton, one that could cement her legacy as a diplomat if she solves the riddle that foiled even her husband, former President Bill Clinton. But it could also pose considerable risks to any political ambitions she may harbor.

It’s not the best introductory section, loaded as it is with “political ambitions” and belittling her efforts to get the State Department fully functioning while boob Barack Obama forced a top level appointment on her, attempted to sabotage Hillary with a cabinet level Susan Rice, ceaseless apology tours and bowing, along with his all around general bumbling. With that lead weight around her Hillary still manages to leverage her experience to benefit Americans:

“I understand very well the disappointments of the past; I share them,” she said in convening the talks, an allusion to Mr. Clinton’s failed effort to broker a deal, most vividly at Camp David in 2000, when peace seemed tantalizingly close only to vanish amid recriminations in the Maryland mountains.

The tableau of Mr. Netanyahu and Mr. Abbas chatting amiably Thursday in front of the marble fireplace in her office, officials said, testified to her relentless phone calls in recent weeks as she wore down the reluctance of the Palestinians to come to the table and drummed up support from Arab neighbors like Jordan and Egypt.

One of the best indications that this could succeed is that Hillary Clinton is willing to get involved,” said Stephen J. Hadley, who served as national security advisor to President George W. Bush. “Because that makes me think two things: She thinks it’s possible and, because she is as skilled as she is, it increases the likelihood of success.

Lead weight Obama festooned with naivete and bloated ego has proven a mess domestically and in foreign affairs.

Among the many hurdles that Mrs. Clinton will face is the often tense relationship that this administration has had with Israel. Mr. Obama is viewed with distrust by many in Israel and among some Jewish groups at home, where his outreach to the Muslim world and public criticism of Israeli policies have been denounced by some critics as anti-Israel.

But Mrs. Clinton has preserved her own credibility among these groups, analysts said, which will make her perhaps the administration’s most effective salesperson for the peace process. She also has a politician’s feel for Mr. Netanyahu, her aides say, which could help her push him to make hard choices, provided she is willing.”

We doubt that much will come from the current talks concerning the Middle East. But there is no question that any chance of success comes from the woman in charge not the boob in chief:

“The question, some Middle East experts asked, is whether Mrs. Clinton has the negotiating grit to keep both men at the table — the mysterious combination of bluster, theatrics, hand-holding and guile that secretaries of state, like Henry A. Kissinger and James A. Baker III, have deployed to forge agreements between Arabs and Israelis.

She’s plenty tough, tougher than her husband,” said Aaron David Miller, who worked on peace negotiations in the Clinton administration. “But does she have a negotiator’s mind-set? These are tough people in a tough neighborhood, who know how to manipulate people.”

Early in her tenure, some questioned the scope of Mrs. Clinton’s role after the appointment of highly visible special emissaries like Mr. Mitchell and Richard C. Holbrooke, the special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan. Others suggest that in the case of the Middle East, where Mr. Mitchell has an influential voice in making policy, she was insulating herself from potential failure. If so, that is no longer an option.”

The probable failure of the current talks is due to bad faith among the negotiators. For good reason there is a lot of mistrust. The Israelis know they have effectively won the battles with the ineffectual Obama and his bluffs and bullying. The Israelis know Obama cannot be trusted and therefore they will be tougher than usual and that means plenty tough.

The Palestinian side has yet to prove they are at all interested in a genuine two state solution. Arafat had a chance to be the founder of a Palestinian state but he played games for too long and only agreed to the Bill Clinton peace agreement when it was far too late. The Palestinian side is also a plural entity. Mahmood Abbas is negotiating only on behalf of his organization not the virulent Hamas. Egypt, which is to our mind the key to peace, has thus far been too timid in its opposition to Hamas – support for the Gaza blockade being the only overt expression of Egyptian interests.

Into treacherous waters sails experienced Hillary Clinton with the Obama albatross auguring stormy seas:

“Mrs. Clinton got her first taste of high-wire negotiating last October in Zurich when she headed off a last-minute dispute that nearly scuttled an agreement between Turkey and Armenia on normalizing diplomatic relations. Sitting in a black BMW limousine, she juggled two cellphones, slowly nudging two ancient enemies together, if only temporarily.

In June, at a hotel bar in Lima, Peru, she finalized a deal with a Chinese diplomat over which companies could be named in a United Nations resolution punishing Iran for its nuclear program.

But these are sideshows compared to the challenge of bringing together wary foes who have spent six decades avoiding a deal. Even after what officials said was a promising start last week, no one in the administration knows if the talks will survive past Sept. 26, when Mr. Netanyahu has promised to allow a moratorium on settlement construction to expire and Mr. Abbas has threatened to walk out if it does.

For an American politician, the risks of delving into the Middle East are obvious. Already, Mrs. Clinton has taken arrows from American Jewish groups for her full-throated advocacy of Mr. Obama’s pressure on the Israeli government to freeze settlements.”

As we wrote at the time, Hillary Clinton’s early remarks were in the context of quoting and repeating what Barack Obama said. She was a “foil”:

“At the beginning of the administration, she was used as a foil; she was very tough on Israel,” said Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish advocacy organization.

It was not the first time that Mrs. Clinton raised hackles. As first lady, she hugged Suha Arafat, the wife of Yasir Arafat, the leader of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, after Mrs. Arafat had made incendiary remarks about Israel. (Her aides said her reaction was based on an incomplete translation of the comments.) In 1998, Mrs. Clinton called for the creation of a Palestinian state, a proposal that was disavowed by the White House at the time but is now American policy.

For all that, Mr. Foxman said, Mrs. Clinton still has a reservoir of support, accrued from her years working for Jewish voters as a New York senator. It did not hurt, some noted, that Chelsea Clinton was recently married in a ceremony where her Jewish groom wore a traditional prayer shawl.”

As Hillary Clinton sails into treacherous waters, she has prepared herself well and been wise in the use of her abilities. During the 2008 primary campaign when Barack Obama agreed to “no preconditions” in meetings with rogue states, Hillary made it clear that American interests required preconditions to meetings. This posture was wise because American power must be leveraged judiciously not precariously. Hillary prepares, she does not bumble like a certain boob:

“Some analysts say Mrs. Clinton’s few trips to Israel and her delegation of negotiating duties to Mr. Mitchell speak to her caution. “She has sensed this is a dog, and wanted to stay away from it,” Mr. Miller said.

But others said it made sense for her to hold her political capital in reserve until the prospects for talks ripened. Since March, when tensions flared over Israel’s settlement policy, two-thirds of the phone calls Mrs. Clinton has made to foreign officials have been about the Middle East, according to an adviser.

“It’s absolutely the case that she feels very strongly about this, in part to complete the job done by her husband,” said Martin S. Indyk, a former American ambassador to Israel who advised her during the campaign.”

Ambassador Indyk perhaps cannot help himself by lowering the import of the current talks to some sort of marital indulgence. No doubt Hillary Clinton will build on the work of Bill Clinton but she will build on all the work done by all presidents and the murdered Sadat and Rabin. While Hillary builds on the work of former presidents, the current one is a stumbling block to be overcome:

“It is also true, however, that the White House, not the State Department, drove the initial phase of policy-making in the Middle East. The strategy of publicly pressing Israel over settlements was devised by Mr. Obama’s staff with his active involvement, according to several officials.

As she has on other issues, Mrs. Clinton has been the good soldier, amplifying the president’s message. In March, when Israel announced new Jewish housing units during a visit by Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., she willingly took on the job of scolding Mr. Netanyahu.

But more recently, as the chill with Jerusalem began rattling lawmakers on Capitol Hill, Mrs. Clinton has counseled the White House to keep its criticism of Israel private, according to officials. Mr. Mitchell, they said, has also pushed for a more diplomatic approach.

“If you look at some of the problems the administration has had, both with the Israeli public and with some Jewish groups at home, she is pretty well positioned to be an answer to both of those,” said Robert Malley, another former peace negotiator for the Clinton administration.”

Hard work is the Hillary Clinton way. Leverage the experience of others and learn from history:

“To prepare for this moment, Mrs. Clinton has asked her staff for an exhaustive analysis of all the major peace initiatives, to spot trends, sticking points, areas of agreement and so on.

The choreography last week, a White House dinner followed by talks at the State Department, bore the imprint of Mrs. Clinton, officials said. The administration debated having her travel to the Middle East to restart the talks, but she persuaded Mr. Obama to take a central role.

“The decision-making and policy-making that got to these talks were really handled between the two of them personally,” said Denis McDonough, the chief of staff of the National Security Council.

Mrs. Clinton, more than most, understands that presidents are indispensable in Middle East peacemaking. She likes telling colleagues a story about Mr. Arafat’s calling her husband in February 2001 to tell him that he was ready to make a deal with Israel. “That’s great,” Mr. Clinton replied, “but I’m not in office anymore.

Whatever Hope for Change there is in these Middle East talks comes from Hillary Clinton.



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349 thoughts on “Hillary Clinton In The Middle East

  1. admin
    the above ad has less than 78k hits
    bullshit
    How many journalists are there in the world? I am sure each and everyone has taken a peek at this video. Youtube plays with numbers. Numbers make news.

  2. wbboei
    Doing a little research on intentional torts.
    Intent and verifiable damage seem to be the issues.
    Newspapers have been successfully sued in the past for providing intentionally misleading and damaging info. How can google be exempt? From what I have read it is the perception of the company that is the issue, Google yahoo and msn all place unverified ap stories on their home pages there by acting as de facto news organizations. manipulation of information holds them up to a standard involving public trust. Seems likea lot of manipulation has happened and the little boy wonders screwed up by posting prominently and regularly news from the ap.

  3. If anyone has an email address for Dr. William DeJean please post it. Dr. DeJean is owed a bushel of thanks for bringing a smile to our faces with his ad and demonstrating once and for all that Hillary supporters are not giving up and have not forgotten.

  4. Here is the address for his dental office in Chicago:

    William DeJean DDS
    1363 N Ashland Ave
    (between Bauwans St & Blackhawk St)
    Chicago, IL 60622
    Neighborhood: Wicker Park

    (773) 384-3885

  5. It is beginning- the funeral procession for the Obama presidency is at hand. Tonight, for the very first time, I heard mainstream news (ABC) carrying statistical numbers in the negative column of voter disapproval of Obama’s performance with explanations of why Obama’s popularity is plummeting in the polls. This we have never heard before… We heard the negative poll numbers from Rass and Quinnipac but never reasons why his poll numbers are what they are… I won’t go into detail because the reasons are all of what has been discussed here on this site going on two years now.

    The sound of the glass ceiling shattering is going mainstream as the “sound” heard round the world..

    This is the final death knell for the Obama presidency. Amen-

  6. HillaryforTexas
    September 4th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    HfT, again I’m sorry I don’t have time (or brains) to soberly disentangle all this and put it more gently. If you like, consider that I’m giving you feedback on what your earlier posts looked like from a galloping horse.

    “I am not some rabid anti-abortionist” — But they will use what you have imo thoughtlessly labeled as ‘truth’.

    “As if asking very legitimate questions and pondering approaches to the value of human life vs. the preservation of liberties were an alarming thing.” — One alarming thing is the assumption buried in that sentence — that a non-viable embryo IS a ‘human life.’

  7. oops guess I put in the wrong FaceBook page, Admin would you please delete the 8:27pm post by me?
    Search on Facebook for William DeJean, it is obvious who he is….the dentist.

  8. Thank goodness for small favors by the Lamestream media, Mrs Smith.

    HillaryforTexas, you voiced a descriptiion of exactly what I believe about a woman’s rights in re terminating a pregnancy. And like Hillary I truly believe they should be legal, rare, and safe.

    Henry, give that little one a hug from me.

  9. HillaryforTexas, you voiced a descriptiion of exactly what I believe about a woman’s rights in re terminating a pregnancy.

    ===============

    I certainly agree that a woman has the right to abort even five minutes before birth — although that’s a fantasy straw man scenario that never really happens.

    In theory this might be a strong pro-choice position. However in fact I think that to argue that there is a ‘value of human life’ issue here FOR EVERYONE does dis-service to the pro-choice side.

  10. This ought to be good…he has lost the plot, grasping at straws now. God help us……………

    Obama stands by ‘Recovery Summer’-will be offering a new package of ideas on the economy next week

    President Obama on Friday said he has no regrets about describing the last three months as the “Recovery Summer.”

    “I don’t regret the notion that we are moving forward because of the steps that we have taken,” Obama said in response to a question after he offered comments on the latest unemployment figures.

    The administration described the summer of 2010 as “recovery summer” because a large amount of the 2009 stimulus package was being spent over the summer. But job growth slowed dramatically over the summer amid concerns the economy was moving into a double-dip recession, and Republicans have made fun of the moniker.

    The president’s remarks came after the Labor Department released jobs data showing unemployment rising from 9.5 to 9.6 percent. The private sector created 67,000 jobs, but overall the economy lost 54,000 jobs.

    Those numbers were better than expected, and are easing concerns about a double-dip recession. Still, Republicans argued Friday they fall short of a real recovery.

    The administration has held firm that its policies are slowly but surely nursing the economy back to health.

    “We are confident we are moving in the right direction but we want to make sure this economy” is getting even stronger, Obama said on Friday.

    Obama said he would be offering a new package of ideas on the economy next week.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/117107-obama-stands-by-recovery-summer

    ……………………

    The comments underneath are just scathing.

  11. Can i laugh now, this from the man with the mega super state pensions.

    Jerry Brown says he’d be a frugal governor (Would Cut Public Employees’ Pensions If Elected)

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/09/03/MNAM1F8CBV.DTL

    Jerry Brown said Friday that if elected governor he would have to “do things that labor doesn’t like,” including cutting pension benefits for public employees and asking labor leaders to “put everything on the table” to get California’s bloated budget under control.

  12. NYT: DEMS PLAN ‘FIREWALL’ TO SAVE HOUSE… DEVELOPING…

    Headline on Drudge, no link yet.

    Well to me that suggests exactly what i heard from sources a few days ago that the Dems will cut off poorly performing house and senate races and let them go and put the extra cash elsewhere, its going to cause almighty hell downwind when the candidates realise they’ve been holed under the water by their own side.

    The Dems are going to concede a lot of races and let them go.

  13. moon, it’s time for more of them to go under the bus. If they were some of the ones who threw Hillary and us under the bus, then all I can say is: “Karma’s a bitch. Sucks to be you.”

  14. Short Term
    Lucky fucking me. I was a mess and a newborn fell my way. It was four years ago that I would lay on the carpet next to the baby’s bed. Terrified that she was going to have sudden infant death syndrome. Seems so long ago. I cannot speak about adoption. As I would have never ever chosen to care about my monster. I do know her mother and father go months without a call, but my little brat is articulate and funny and sensitive and caring. She at age four has been to more plays museums and boat rides than I did during my entire childhood. Yes i worry like mad about her. Scares me to death. yet Sept 1 was her b day and she and I were walking to the grocery store. We saw a neighbor whose child was turning two the next day. Unprovoked my little pain in the ass bought the small poop machine two doors down a balloon, Sounds silly but when you love a crud and live in fear that she is going to become the socio paths which are her parents. You take an un parallelled joy in seeing them care about another,

  15. Re: In theory this might be a strong pro-choice position. However in fact I think that to argue that there is a ‘value of human life’ issue here FOR EVERYONE does dis-service to the pro-choice side.

    I never thought this; I never said this; I never wrote this. You will not change what I have written to mean something that it did not. Give it a rest!!!

  16. NYT trying to protect Obama and blame failure on Hillary…There is no possibility of any pece deal and never will be until Mulims/Arabs give up their hope of destroying Israel. Obama also trying to repair ties with Jews before midterms and knows we (Jews) trust Clintons’ more than Husseins.

  17. jbstonesfan
    the times sucks ass! If you doubt me reread everyhing they posted about hillary during 2008. The rag is a disgrace. Why it is held in such esteem confounds me. Even the frigging food critics have been caught being less than savory.

  18. moononpluto
    September 4th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    This ought to be good…he has lost the plot, grasping at straws now. God help us……………

    Obama stands by ‘Recovery Summer’-will be offering a new package of ideas on the economy next week

    President Obama on Friday said he has no regrets about describing the last three months as the “Recovery Summer.”
    __________________________________

    Review my post upthread regarding mainstream media… their explanation f Obama’s failures interspersed with clip of Obama’s statements like: “during this recovery, the middle class has been short shrifted…” Now, finally big media is reporting the Truth… too little, too late. It makes you so angry, you want to throw something at the tv when you hear it.

  19. ShortTermer
    September 4th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Thank goodness for small favors by the Lamestream media, Mrs Smith.
    ______________________________

    It’s a sign- we’ve turned the corner. We are about to see big changes happening quickly before our eyes.. Apparently, the elites have figured out the least disrupting path for removing Obama from the WH and at the same time hearing Hillary is under consideration for the position. imo-

  20. I’m going to repost this:

    Two excellent posts by Paul Krugman:

    Rahmism
    Jon Cohn’s post about what the administration may be considering, and what it isn’t considering, makes we want to cry.

    Look: early on the administration had a political theory: it would win bipartisan legislative victories, and each success would make Republicans who voted no feel left out, so that they would vote for the next initiative, and so on. (By the way, read that article and weep: “The massive resistance Republicans posed to Clinton in 1993 is impossible to imagine today.” They really believed that.)

    This theory led to a strategy of playing it safe: never put forward proposals that might fail to pass, avoid highlighting the philosophical differences between the parties. There was never an appreciation of the risks of having policies too weak to do the job.

    And then it led the administration to keep claiming that the legislation it had gotten through was just right, long past the point when it was obvious that the policies were inadequate.

    And they’re still doing it. This is crazy: when you’re well down in the polls, minimal steps that won’t move the economy and won’t grab voters’ imagination are just a way of guaranteeing a devastating defeat.

    I can understand why the people who persuaded Obama to go for the capillaries might still be claiming that they have the right strategy; bu I don’t understand why Obama is still listening to them.

    krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/04/rahmism/

    September 4, 2010, 11:44 am
    The Perils Of Government By Poll, 30s Edition
    In light of the way we actually got out of the Great Depression, it’s instructive — and depressing — to look at polling from that era. Two results from Gallup, in March 1938:

    Do you think government spending should be increased to help get business out of its present slump?
    Gallup Poll, Mar, 1938

    37% Yes

    63% No

    In your opinion which will do more to get us out of the depression: increase government spending, or reduce taxes on business?
    Gallup Poll (AIPO), Mar, 1938

    15% Increase government spending

    63% Reduce taxes on business

    21% No opinion

    krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/04/the-perils-of-government-by-poll-30s-edition/

  21. I don’t think anyone will seriously blame Hillary if negotiations break down. This is a dispute as old as time. But I do think a peaceful solution is possible.

  22. Mrs. Smith, so ready for a sign.
    Something was posted at my Cariologist’s complex that I will key in here maybe tomorrow….essentially that they are urging patients to sign onto the petition that will stop the cuts to MediCare for the services will be greatly reduced because of the cuts and limiting of procedures used.

  23. Obama shill Nate Silver (now at the NYTimes) is also predicting doom and gloom for governors:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39001276/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/

    Republicans are on track to control approximately 30 governor seats after the Nov. 2 election, according to the FiveThirtyEight gubernatorial forecasting model. And they are likely to do particularly well in the swing states of the Midwest.

    Such an outcome would reverse the current state of the nation’s governors’ mansions, which are now held by 26 Democrats, 23 Republicans and 1 independent.

    Thirty-seven states are holding elections for governor this year; an unusually high number, 24, are open-seat races in which the incumbent was either barred from running again because of term limits, or chose to retire. (One incumbent, Jim Gibbons of Nevada, was defeated in the Republican primary.) Many of these open races, including California, Florida, Oregon and Wisconsin, are too close to call. But in 11 of these contests, including Michigan and Pennsylvania, the Republican candidate has at least an 80 percent chance of victory, according to the model. Conversely, Democrats are clear favorites in only four open-seat races — Colorado, Connecticut, Hawaii and New York, where Andrew Cuomo is almost certain to become the next governor.

    Incumbency — normally a powerful advantage in gubernatorial elections — may provide few protections for Democrats this year. This is especially so in three Midwestern states. In Ohio, Gov. Ted Strickland trails his Republican opponent, former Representative John Kasich, by double-digits in some polls, and with the state’s unemployment rate also in the double digits (10.4 percent), he is running out of time to catch up. Although Iowa, like some other agricultural states, has weathered the recession relatively well, the Democratic incumbent there, Chet Culver, has had poor approval ratings for some time and has run into a challenging opponent in Terry Branstad, who served as the state’s governor from 1983 to 1999. And in Illinois, the Rod R. Blagojevich scandal is still casting a shadow on his successor, Pat Quinn, a Democrat, and seems to be outweighing any influence that President Obama might have there.

    Democrats are also underdogs to knock off any of the six Republican governors who are running for re-election, although they retain a fighting chance in Texas, where they have a strong candidate in Bill White, the soft-spoken former mayor of Houston.[snip]

    Should the political momentum favor the Republicans this year, as seems likely, they have picked an auspicious time for it. This year’s gubernatorial elections are unusually important because of the role that some governors play in redistricting, the process of dividing the nation into 435 Congressional districts that occurs after each Census. Redistricting is often a contentious process, but it is especially so in states that are bound to lose seats in Congress. The result can resemble a game of musical chairs, with too many incumbents vying for fewer districts. Among the states expected to lose seats are Iowa, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania – all states where the Republican nominee has emerged as a clear favorite.

  24. hmmm…so I hear that bambi’s campaign manager, plouffe, is going to be on Meet the Press tomorrow.

    stranger and stranger…

  25. JanH, I think this is explains plouffe. Via wikipedia:

    Plouffe’s primary job on behalf of the White House will be to help devise, coordinate and analyze strategies for the House, Senate and governor’s races in November

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Plouffe

  26. Remember when Obama said the difference in 2010 from 1994 was “me”? Remember all those promises by Obama to campaign for Dimocrats who voted his way on healthcare and other issues? Obama can’t be trusted.

    The triage article from NYTimes:

    http://www.insidebayarea.com/california/ci_15995785

    DEMOCRATS PLAN POLITICAL TRIAGE TO RETAIN HOUSE

    As Democrats brace for a November wave that threatens their control of the House, party leaders are preparing a brutal triage of their own members in hopes of saving enough seats to keep a slim grip on the majority.

    In the next two weeks, Democratic leaders will review new polls and other data that show whether vulnerable incumbents have a path to victory. If not, the party is poised to redirect money to concentrate on trying to protect up to two dozen lawmakers who appear to be in the strongest position to fend off their challengers.

    “We are going to have to win these races one by one,” said Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, conceding that the party would ultimately cut loose members who had not gained ground.

    With the midterm campaign entering its final two months, Democrats acknowledged that several races could quickly move out of their reach, including re-election bids by Reps. Betsy Markey of Colorado, Tom Perriello of Virginia, Mary Jo Kilroy of Ohio and Frank Kratovil Jr. of Maryland, whose districts were among the 55 Democrats won from Republicans in the last two election cycles.

    Reps. John M. Spratt Jr. of South Carolina, chairman of the Budget Committee, and Earl Pomeroy of North Dakota, who is seeking a 10th term, are among senior Democrats who have appeared to gain little ground in the summer months in the toxic political environment. A sputtering economy and discontent with Washington have created a high sense of voter unease that has also put control of the Senate in question.

    To hold the line against Republicans, the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, issued an urgent plea for members in safe districts to help their endangered colleagues by contributing money. She called out to Democrats who were delinquent on paying their party dues and instructed members with no re-election worries to tap into a combined $218 million from their campaign accounts to help save their majority.

    “We need to know your commitment,” Pelosi wrote to lawmakers last week in a private letter, demanding that they call her within 72 hours to explain how they plan to help.

    She added, “The day after the election, we do not want to have any regrets.“[snip]

    The sharp messages underscore the decreasing array of options facing Democrats as they try to overcome the party’s declining standing. It is an open question whether voters will find the back-and-forth exchanges persuasive or whether some have reached the point where they are no longer listening to Democratic messages[snip].

    While several Democratic candidates have more money in the bank than their rivals, Democrats fear that outside Republican advocacy groups will step in and fill the gap. They are watching to see if interest groups and other constituencies increase their donations to Republicans in the hopes of winning access and influence should the House change hands.

    While Democrats have all but given up hope that the political or economic climate will improve substantially before the election, they are not conceding control of the House. Several party leaders and strategists privately acknowledge that about 20 seats are already probably lost, but they believe they can build a fire wall around seats in the Northeast and in other pockets across the country where Republicans have nominated untested candidates.

    The battle is boiling down to a question of mathematics and difficult decisions for Democrats. By the best-case Democratic calculation, party strategists believe that Republicans must beat about 35 sitting Democrats if the parties split 16 highly-competitive open seats and Democrats win four of five Republican seats they see as within their reach in Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois and Louisiana.[snip]

    In 2008, there was this sense of hope and this sense of being able to change the world,” said Rep. Zack Space, D-Ohio. “A lot of that enthusiasm doesn’t exist now, and I think a lot of that is a result of having been in a recession for two years.”

  27. “In 2008, there was this sense of hope and this sense of being able to change the world,” said Rep. Zack Space, D-Ohio. “A lot of that enthusiasm doesn’t exist now, and I think a lot of that is a result of having been in a recession for two years.”

    —-

    Really, Zack? I think this is the result of the Democrats nominating an incompetent and heralding his as the next messiah. But what do I know? I’m just one of those bitter hillary voters.

  28. Re: Meet The Press:

    Marco Rubio and Kendrick Meeks were supposed to debate on Meet The Press this Sunday. However Rubio’s dad is extremely ill and Rubio cannot appear. The debate will be rescheduled. Souffle was a last minute scheduling decision.

  29. Excellent analysis, admin!

    Your points are all spot on. I did notice a tenor suggesting that the peace process might not proove fruitful again. I hesitate to agree with that only because this will be the first time since another Clinton was at the table with the two sides. If you put extrememly competent people in charge of a problem and task them to handle it, more often than not, it gets handled. Such is the case here. In the midst of a useless administration, the one bright light will be in the room between the two sides.

    In your analysis, you highlighted the fact that Sec. Clinton tasked her staff to look at the direction and tenor of past peace talks, i.e. SHE DID HER HOMEWORK!!!!! Unlike the current boobs that act on Fox news reports (insert link to any one of a thousand of your posts), her preparation for these talks mirrors her preparation for everything she does. That lone fact is what gives me hope that there may be a silver lining lurking with these talks. A silver lining that may propel her to the White House (as though her many CURRENT qualifications aren’t enough).

    Hillary 2012

  30. I am sorry, it still irks me that he won the primary with no evidence that he could perform or any plan, and she had to go out and make the waters part in order to prove to superdelegats they made the biggest mistake of their careers.

  31. Hillary always did her homework, and she won every debate, even though they frauded those results to give him some credit. If they found a crack error for her, it was blown up big. If they found a big error for him, it was sweeped under the rug. As the newspaper go under, and the TV major news outlets (except Fox), continue to lose followers, I can give them little sympathy. You reap what you sow. You created something out of nothing out of O, and you buried a superstar. She and her husband are the only thing holding the Dems together. Why they are still loyal to the Dems, I will never know.

  32. Slightly off topic, but what do people think of Haley Barbour as a potential Republican candidate for President in 2012? I keep hearing his name mentioned again and again, and the talk about him becoming the Republican nominee seems to be picking up steam again. I know only a little bit about him, from some experiences friends of mine have had with him in the Mississippi legislature, and what I’ve heard, he seems like the typical Good Ole Boys Republican sort. Also, very beholden to Republican Big Money, and one of the cofounders of one of the nation’s largest lobbying firms. Geez, can the country for a second stop lurching from one Big Money puppet to another?

    Any thoughts on him would be much appreciated. Thanks.

  33. The one i hear as potential Rep candidate that could big trouble for Obama if he gets to run in 2012 is Mitch Daniels of indiana.

  34. Statement from Marco Rubio and campaign on the death of Rubio’s father:

    Surrounded by family and loved ones, Marco Rubio’s father, Mario Rubio, passed away tonight at Baptist Hospital in Miami. He was 83 years old. Mario Rubio suffered from a long bout with emphysema and lung cancer.

    In his final moments, Mario was accompanied by his loving wife of 61 years, Oria, his children Mario, Barbara, Marco and Veronica, and his extended family.

    On the passing of his father, Marco Rubio issued the following statement:

    “My father knew hard work and struggle from very early in his life. His mother died when he was only 9 years old. The day after his mother was buried he went to work with his father and did not stop working until he was 78 years old.

    “He was by far the most unselfish person I have ever known, always focused on others, and never on his own well being. He was especially determined to provide his children opportunities he himself never had.

    “My dad worked as a street vendor, security guard, apartment building manager and crossing guard. But for most of his life he was a bartender, and by all accounts a great one. But his greatest success came from the two most important jobs he ever had: husband and father.

    “He was very proud of my public service. And over the last 18 months he became an expert channel surfer, constantly searching for my next television interview.

    I was blessed to be raised by a world class father. And I thank God for allowing my father to live long and healthy enough to see that the sacrifices he made for us were not in vain.

    For the entire Rubio family, as well as our campaign, politics will now be placed on temporary hold. We will resume our full schedule some time in the coming days. During this time, we respectfully ask for privacy for Marco and his family so they may mourn their loss in peace.

    In lieu of flowers, the Rubio family requests honoring Mario Rubio’s memory by supporting the League Against Cancer/Liga Contra El Cancer http://ligacontraelcancer.org/.

    Kendrick Meek saying what should be said:

    http://shark-tank.net/2010/09/04/kendrick-meek-a-class-act-people-over-politics/

    At an AFL-CIO picnic in Jupiter, Florida, Congressman Kendrick Meek announced that his scheduled debate with Republican nominee, Marco Rubio was cancelled. Rubio cancelled the debate that had been scheduled for Sunday on Meet the Press because his terminally ill father took a drastic turn for the worse on Friday, and his prognosis is not good. Marco and his dad remain in our thoughts and prayers. Even though Congressman Meek and Rubio greatly differ on the issues, Meek showed that he is truly a respectable and honorable person, not to mention a formidable candidate for the U.S. Senate seat that these two men are vying for. Former Republican Governor Charlie Crist, now an Independent, was also in attendance and I asked him what he thought of the elder Rubio’s illness, to which he responded, ” Yeah, I heard about that.”

  35. Lovely post, admin.

    Last evening I received a personal call from the Sestak campaign imploring me to attend a ‘grass roots’ event September 20 at which President Obama would be in attendance. It acknowledged my past support of Sestak which has been restricted to 2008 when he stuck with Hillary and 2010 when he helped defeat Specter. Finished the call stating it would be their honor if I would attend.

    I’ve not kept track, but gave no more than $200 total. This indicates their desperation in yet another way.

  36. Curiouser and curiouser…..tax dodge anyone, money under the table?

    Mosque building owners nixed $18M offer before taking $4.8M one

    The original owners of the Ground Zero mosque site mysteriously spurned dozens of higher bids before selling the prime downtown real estate at a bargain-basement price.

    The Pomerantz family, which had owned the building since the late 1960s and fielded offers after the patriarch died in 2006, rejected at least one bid that was nearly four times what prospective mosque builder Sharif El-Gamal eventually paid, The Post has learned.

    El-Gamal did offer what could be viewed as a sweetener to his $4.8 million bid in July 2009 — a job as a property manager for a son of the family, Sethian Pomerantz.

    New York developer Kevin Glodek was livid when he found out the building sold for a fraction of what he offered in 2007 — $18 million cash — and wondered whether money changed hands under the table, according to sources close to the deal.

    Glodek and his partners wanted to build a 60-story condo tower with retail space on the Park Place site, had inked a purchase agreement and even had keys to the existing building, according to sources and documents obtained by The Post.

    But Kukiko Mitani — whose late husband, Stephen Pomerantz, owned the property — and her brother-in-law, Melvin Pomerantz, a trustee to the estate, went silent at the end of 2007 and Glodek’s deal disappeared, sources said.

    Glodek, who owns the ChefsDiet food delivery service and several Manhattan properties, declined to comment.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/mosque_was_steal_FpzwdRCdb5MdehzkDDWY3H#ixzz0yebfmRDH

  37. Dems shrink from health care

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/41777.html

    A handful of House Democrats are making health care reform an election-year issue — by running against it.

    At least five of the 34 House Democrats who voted against their party’s health care reform bill are highlighting their “no” votes in ads back home. By contrast, party officials in Washington can’t identify a single House member who’s running an ad boasting of a “yes” vote — despite the fact that 219 House Democrats voted in favor of final passage in March.

    One Democratic strategist said it would be “political malfeasance” to run such an ad now.

    Democrats have taken that advice to heart; it appears that no Democratic incumbent — in the House or in the Senate — has run a pro-reform TV ad since April, when Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) ran one.

  38. Bwah hah ah ahahahah

    ‘Recovery Summer’ like New Coke?

    Ex-Rep. Ernest Istook: Obama jobs plan “new champ as the worst marketing campaign of all time.”

    ………………………………….

    Hilarious..epic failure Bambi.

  39. Obama Comes to Wisconsin, Feingold Disappears

    President Barack Obama’s spending Labor Day afternoon in Milwaukee at an annual union festival. It’s quite a party: Parade organizers were still looking for volunteers to help carry the giant protest puppets of the Earth Goddess and such. Pity, then, that Russ Feingold, the incumbent Democratic senator in a neck-and-neck race, can’t hang out with the president.

    But Obama and puppetry just aren’t the right atmospherics these days, are they?

    Feingold, three terms in office and now tied with a plastics manufacturer no one heard of five months ago, will be at Laborfest earlier in the day. By afternoon, he’ll have scampered far from Obama, to a parade in his hometown, Janesville, where the General Motors bailout didn’t save the truck plant and unemployment is now double-digit. A spokesman said Feingold asked the White House to change its schedule, but you know how these things go.

    Ask yourself: If you were an embattled senator, famously progressive and customarily elected by students, unions, peaceniks and others who dig giant protest puppets, and your state was going to be visited by a president who two years ago drew swooning arena-sized crowds of just such voters, do you think you could rearrange your schedule to absorb his magic?

    This is the measure of Obama’s fall: Even senators who define the Democrats’ leftward edge act like he’s got cooties.

  40. So summer is over tonight and its Labor Day tomorrow, i’m still looking for the summer of recovery, no still not seen it, is it under the bed, under the carpet, nope, damn must be hiding in the same place as Saddams WMD’s.

  41. #
    ShortTermer
    September 4th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Mrs. Smith, so ready for a sign.
    Something was posted at my Cariologist’s complex that I will key in here maybe tomorrow….essentially that they are urging patients to sign onto the petition that will stop the cuts to MediCare for the services will be greatly reduced because of the cuts and limiting of procedures used.
    _______________________________________

    Theres nothing I like better in the morning than a good people’s revolt story with my Blueberry muffin.. 🙂

  42. Holy Mary 47% strong disapproval, 57% overall disapproval.

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 24% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-seven percent (47%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -23.

    Overall, 42% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president’s performance. This matches the lowest approval rating yet measured for President Obama. Fifty-seven percent (57%) now disapprove.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

    Down the plug hole.

  43. MOP, Such good news this morning….we just have to get below 40 and it needs to stay there.
    What was Bill C’s at this time?? Does anyone know?? Some of the bots are saying that Obama’s is higher than Bill’s at the same time.

  44. “This is an oval Office that tries too hard to say nothing”. This is the quote from the Sunday Morning show, on the renovation of te oval office. I guess I feel like the whole administration is trying too hard to do nothing.

    In addition on the Today program they indicated that MO is going out to the Dem states that are in need of campaign help, as her popularity rating is much higher than her husbands. She will, however, not participate in any agressive attacks on the competition.

    Amazing, but then they said little of nothing, had no plan when they won the WH, why shouldn’t people just fall all over themselves and come out to vote Dem because MO made an appearance.

  45. Plouffe is n MTP right now. He is BSing David Gregory with empty rhetoric still in campaign mode.

    I would love seeing BC on the same stage as Plouffe and watch BC deflate and debunk his unbelievable, foolish, lying, statements. Plouffe should be flogged in the Public Square until he cries uncle for the lies he is spreading.

    Gregory should ask him… “Yes, you say, you understand the suffering of the American people. People without jobs, people without raises, people living from paycheck t paycheck. How can you justify the money spent by MO on her trip to Spain and the luxury 10 day vacation in MV by the President and his family? Why is it only the people who need to suffer when it is the politicians who created this situation? And don’t you think it sets a poor example to the people suffering, seeing their president’s unrestrained spending on unnecessary luxury and unnecessary comforts?”

    Didn’t happen- Gregory played along like he was allowing Plouffe to educate him.

  46. Holy crap, moon! Granted, that number will likely bounce up and down a little. but the trend is not good.

    In other polling news, those “racist” Kentuckians are kicking the Dims to the curb. Rand Paul is up 15 points over the Dem, a swing of about 7 points since the last poll. The internals are interesting:

    Paul wins 60% of voters under 50 years of age, and 52% of voters 50 and older. He also wins 37% of the African-American vote, a surprisingly high number for a Republican candidate. Paul gets 56% of independents and 32% of Democrats

    So he kicks ass with the youth, does well with the old, and gets an unheard of percentage of both blacks and democrats. I think that this is as much about the voters sending a message as it is about Paul.

  47. admin: “If anyone has an email address for Dr. William DeJean please post it.”

    Why an email? Has anyone called the number he gives in his ad? If it’s not his own number, he shouldn’t be too hard to locate by his name, as we know he lives in Chicago. Hillary supporters in o’s home turf are really hard core PUMAs (think Hillbuzz).

    Maybe we could start collecting funds to join forces with him and make other Hill for 2012 ads?

    Personally, I think the only way to get Hillary into the 2012 race, or even the 2016 race, is a draft movement; and ads of this kind could constitute a draft.

    By the way, admin, thanks for the quoting and analysis of the Times article, which I was going to post here (having read it beforehand).

  48. NMF, Kentucky did love Hillary.

    Considering that I find it difficult to swallow that 37% of black Kentuckians are avid Libertarians, I think that this is as much about the voters sending a message as it is about Paul.

    Perhaps, perhaps the message is that bullying delegates, calling people racist backward ungrateful hicks, and basically sneering at them that they are too stupid to appreciate the superiorness of your plans for them has a wee bit of angry blowback attached. Nice going, Dems.

  49. “Kentucky loved HRC.”

    So did West Virginia. And then after the a$$hole Manchin explicitly said he would give his superdelegate vote to whoever won in WV, where Hillary won by over 35-40 points, the “man” Manchin along with Byrd gave their endorsement to the fraud in the WH.
    I will never forget that!

    I donated to Manchin’s republican opponent, and I hope he kicks Manchin’s butt out of the governor’s mansion and any elected office in WV!

  50. I hope God, all their relatives and friends will surround the Rubio family to comfort them and cushion them from blow caused by the death of Mario Rubio.

    When I read “party leaders are preparing a brutal triage of their own members in hopes of saving enough seats to keep a slim grip on the majority” I decided to do what I could to counter that in MN 4 (in case they think they can save Betty McCullom). I called to volunteer for her challenger. You know, walk the neighborhoods, knock on doors, talk to neighbors – Push Push Push, like we used to do for the democrats. Then I called Betty’s office just to let her know.

  51. jeswezey
    September 5th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    I think that is a great idea and I, for one, am tired of passively waiting around.

  52. Betty:

    “When I read “party leaders are preparing a brutal triage of their own members in hopes of saving enough seats to keep a slim grip on the majority”
    _______________________

    I was appalled at the 12:00 news. “Triage” is the the Dem Party’s soundbyte? Triage! What in the world does it say about the strength of the Dem Party’s leadership? And do they really think the public is too dumb to realize it? The Dem Leadership abandoning Dems running for the Nov election? I’ve never heard of such a thing.

    Apparently, they caught on to BC’s strength on getting candidates elected. So bub-bye Bill. His stealth strategy was soon realized by the ‘O’ Team of capturing support for Hillary’s future bid if she is up for a draft (which as I said months ago… she said she will not run and I believe she meant it…she didn’t say she would refuse a draft; which is exactly the way this is going to play out.)

    Obama and his staff should be hauled out of office by the scruff of their necks and frog marched down the WH steps asap. All the while surrounded by paparazzi pics and editorial scheduled for worldwide front page publication.

  53. Has Lindsey Graham suddenly grew a spine or is it the threat of the Carolina GOP coming to take him dowm

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/0910/Graham_Obama_is_tone_deaf.html?showall

    Graham calls Obama ‘tone deaf’

    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Sunday called President Barack Obama “tone deaf” to the voices of the American people, slamming the president for putting forth the “most liberal agenda of modern times.”

    “The only way the president could possibly survive is [by coming] back to the middle,” Graham said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “He’s tone deaf — putting [Khalid Sheikh Mohammed] on trial in New York City … interjecting himself in the mosque debate, made no sense.”

    “He’s tone deaf on terrorism issues and he’s certainly tone deaf on the economy.”

    Graham accused Obama of running as a centrist but governing “from the left,” acquiescing to the politics and agenda of the House. The senator added that if the elections “were held tomorrow,” the GOP would make substantial gains.

    But Graham noted that the Republicans need a plan to win the votes of the American people, something like the “Contract for America,” he said.

    The call to arms for a repeat of the successful 1994 electoral blueprint emerged as a GOP talking point Sunday, with Graham’s language striking very close to the warnings issued earlier by John McCain on “Fox News Sunday.”

    “A lot of this has to do with the people ‘no’ to the Democrats and not ‘yes’ to the Republicans
    most liberal agenda of modern times,” Graham said, before calling for a more clearly defined plan to provide a “check and balance” to the Obama administration.

    Perhaps the most telling line in framing the debate set for when Senate returns a week from Monday was Graham’s closing remark to NBC host David Gregory.

    “Thank you, and extend the Bush tax cuts,” Graham said.

  54. I am a Kentucky voter who participated in a telephone poll and told them I usually vote Democrat, but this time I plan to vote Paul. And yes, it’s completely about sending a message and yes, Kentucky loves, loves, loves HRC.

    I am not a Rand Paul fan, but I have no reason to vote for Conway. So, why not? I guess in this case, I’d rather vote for the racebaitee than the racebaiter. Sad commentary.

  55. These letters were displayed next to the sign in sheet on the reception desk of my Cardiologist’s medical center for the heart. There was also a 24×36″ poster with similar information and asking for help. This is a very large and massively wonderful state-of-the-art complex. The text of the letter follows:

    ASK CONGRESS TO KEEP DOCTORS FOR MEDICARE PATIENTS
    Dear Patient:
    For doctors, nothing is more important than giving all of our patients the best possible medical care. In Florida, more than three million people depend on Medicare to provide access to a doctor when they need one. Represented in that number are patients who have become part of our medical family over the years. The last thing doctors want is to tell longtime patients that we can no longer treat them. But unless Congress takes immediate action to fix our crumbling Medicare system, many physicians will have no choice.
    Even though the federal health care reform bill promised to cover more patients, significant problems remain. Most glaring is Congress’ repeated failure to permanently fix Medicare. By putting this off for more than a decade, our nation lawmakers have jeopardized Medicare patients’ ability to have the doctors they need when they’re sick. Our patients deserve to receive the care they’ve been promised.
    A petition drive is underway to tell Congress to stop the Medicare meltdown so doctors can stay in the program and continue treating our patients. While we cannot personally collect your signature on a petition, we are sharing this important information with our patients.
    PLEASE MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD.
    Go to http://www.ipetitions.com/peititon/meltdown/
    Please tell Congress to continue its work and fix Medicare now.

    [SEAL] Florida Medical Association – Helping Physicians Practice Medicine

  56. Lindsey Graham doesn’t have to do or say very much. The Dems have dug themselves into such a deep hole all the GOP has to do is look down and thank the Dems for the marevelous sink hole Obaah-mhaa has dug for them… saving them the trouble.

    Graham wants another ‘Contract with America’ which will amount to a ‘contract with the devil’. We have to learn to skate by the lies and promises coming yet again now from the Republican dirtbags that created this mess in the first place.

  57. Mrs. Smith
    September 5th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Amen! Indeed the less the Republicans say the better of they will be. They actually think they have somehow been vindicated byt the Democrats failures. They have not. Both Parties have and plan to continue to fail the majority of Americans.

  58. love it, who knew Obama would test Obamacare death panels on his own party.

    Death Panels for Democrats … The DNC’s new tactic to hold the House.

    The story that has the political establishment all abuzz today is the plan for Democrats to concentrate party resources on those with the best chances of winning so Nancy Pelosi can still wield the gavel. The sacrificial lambs and potential survivors will be chosen by party leaders in the next week or so. Not a great consolation for those from highly contested districts who were told they were better off voting for Obamacare than not. From today’s NY Times:

    [Democratic] party leaders are preparing a brutal triage of their own members in hopes of saving enough seats to keep a slim grip on the majority.

    In the next two weeks, Democratic leaders will review new polls and other data that show whether vulnerable incumbents have a path to victory. If not, the party is poised to redirect money to concentrate on trying to protect up to two dozen lawmakers who appear to be in the strongest position to fend off their challengers.

    This is a disaster of their own making. Instead of governing from the center and including Republicans in the writing of highly controversial legislation, they sought to use their supermajority in the Senate and 40 odd majority in the House to cram through bill after bill drafted in secret and not made known until the last moment. The tone deafness of Democrats reached a peak this summer when many refused to even appear at townhalls after experiencing voter outrage during earlier recesses. While many freshmen House Democrats expressed their uneasiness, they were reassured by Speaker Pelosi the mood of the country would change once voters knew the content of the bills. This despite polling data for Democrats in general and Obama in particular showed impending disaster.

    Those who went along with Pelosi’s charade are now being given the ultimate insult. They are being rewarded with the proverbial pain killer, or more likely Kool-Aid for their loyalty, especially on Obamacare. It is fitting medicine for a bill that will do the same thing to patients who in the view of bureaucrats are not worth saving.

    When the dust settles after the November elections, the finger pointing will begin. Ultimately the responsibility for the impending disaster must point to the White House, where a truly clueless President has risked the political health of his party for a highly unpopular medical bill. At least Bill Clinton knew the health of the party was important.

  59. Roubini: The Economy Is So Weak Now That Any Shock Will Cause A Double-Dip

    http://www.businessinsider.com/roubinie-the-economy-is-so-weak-that-any-shock-will-cause-a-double-dip-now-2010-9

    The latest view from Nouriel Roubini is that there’s a whopping 40% chance of the U.S. economy double-dipping into recession due to the fact that the government is now helpless to defend against any unexpected economic shock which may occur.

    Telegraph:

    “We have reached stall speed. Any shock at this point can tip you back into recession. With interbank spreads rising, you can get a vicious circle like 2008-2009,” he said, describing a self-feeding process as the real economy and the credit system hurt each other.

    “There is a 40pc chance of double-dip recession in the US, and worse in Japan. Even if it is not technically a recession it will feel like it,” he added.

    Hans-Werner Sinn, head of Germany’s IFO Institute, said the US would have to purge its debt excesses the hard way.

    “The bitter truth is that there is no way out of this with monetary and fiscal policy. They will just have to see their living standards go down. I see a decade of difficulties for the US,” he said.

    read the linked Telegraph piece in the article for the full details.

    …………..

    shit hitting fan would be understating it.

  60. moononpluto
    September 5th, 2010 at 4:24 am

    The one i hear as potential Rep candidate that could big trouble for Obama if he gets to run in 2012 is Mitch Daniels of indiana.

    ****

    Maybe. No doubt some people want Mitch Daniels. But Haley Barbour is considered the most powerful Republican of all; and even Sarah Palin is ranked second to him. Barbour has also been indicating he is planning a run in 2012 in recent days, testing his message on Sept 1 of running on a so called platform of “lobbyist in chief.”

    He has also illusions of being like Bill Clinton (not politically, just that they are both from the South), and often responds with “Well Bill Clinton was elected” whenever people ask him if someone like Barbour from the South can be elected in this political climate. Sorry, but Barbour is deluding himself if he thinks pointing to Bill Clinton can legitimate his own run. There is a night and day difference between the two, it didn’t matter where Bill is from because Bill represented the best of this country, and Barbour the worst imo.

  61. Hayley Barbour is a bit of a rogue i think, he has a checkered history and frankly he was a big lobbyist back in the day.

    I would trust Barbour as far as i could throw him and by the looks of him, that would not be far.

  62. Hayley Barbour, by all accounts, has been a decent governor for Mississippi, maybe because he genuinely loves his state. But I wouldn’t want him anywhere near the whitehouse. Sometimes people who aren’t so bad on a local level would be a disaster nationally. If we MUST have an R president in 2012 (and that’s not a given), then I’d rather it not be one of the old well-connected guard.

    That said, if the RNC had a clue they’d put him and his ad guys in charge of much more than just governor races. Hayley and his crew are the only ones I’ve seen who can produce a GOP ad for a specific candidate that isn’t lame and dated.

  63. I’ve been cruising the blogs, and it’s mind-boggling that Obama really has no constituency anymore. No one likes him, left to right.

    Obama wants to be loved like Big Dawg, wants a “legacy”, wants to be the great uniter, etc. The problem is that there is no there, there. He never had any vision other than a personal vision of himself as president. The country itself was always a supporting actor to his leading role.

    So in his attempt to make that vision true, he is managing to piss off both the right and the left, and win the scorn of the center to boot. He does this by lurching to do nominally “leftist” things (like HCR), but doing it badly, then lurching back right and sucking up to the banks, then lurching back left and damning the banks (without actually doing anything to them), etc. He is trying to govern as he campaigned, by being all things to all people.

    A true conservative or a true leftist will each pursue goals that are sane, if only in the sense that they are in keeping with their political philosophy. They piss off the the other side, but keep their own base and probably won’t anger the centrists too much.

    A centrist is what he seems to be attempting to be, but he can’t even do that properly. A centrist will build coalitions, and use his/her “triangulating” to maximum benefit, trying to find actual solutions that make sense. Even if they are not entirely gratifying to either side, you’ll mostly get a “Meh, I can live with that.” reaction from the bulk of the electorate. Not rage.

    Obama has done none of the above. Even his compromises make no sense. They don’t make any group happy. He just bounces around in a very disjointed fashion, pissing off EVERYONE in his search for his vision of himself as loved by all. He has no guiding ideology, whether left , right or center.

    This is how we have ended up with a president who is derided as a socialist by the right, a corporatist by the left, and just confuses the fuck out of the middle. Which should be impossible, but this boob has managed it.

    Most presidents we have had, even those I despised, did want the job. And they had some idea of what they wanted to do when they got it. Obama never wanted the job in the first place – he wanted the movie in his own head starring him as president. And we are paying for that.

  64. HillaryforTexas
    September 5th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
    I’ve been cruising the blogs, and it’s mind-boggling that Obama really has no constituency anymore. No one likes him, left to right.

    ————
    H4T,

    If we look at this a different way, what is your take on youth and African American support for him at this time?

  65. JanH, it seems the youth vote is very disenchanted, but still too pissed at R’s to go the other way. I predict very low turnout for them, but not a massive shift to R. They are deflated. The only R candidates that seem to be picking up any of the youth are the very libertarian types. If the GOP ever goes more strongly libertarian, they could actually bury the Democratic party for good, IMO. There is a STRONG libertarian sentiment out there in young people, but they don’t want full-on Libertarian. They want some sensible safety net.

    I doubt the black vote will ever desert Obama. But I do think that many of them will stay home as well. I predict the GOP picking up somewhat more of the black vote than they did in the last 2 elections, but that demographic is still pretty locked fpr the Dems. Those that are disappointed will express it mostly by not voting.

  66. ShortTermer
    September 5th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    ST- I have forwarded the letter posted at the Cardio’s office to associate doctors in our local medical community at Brown University. When you see sign ups cming from the East coast, you will recognize it emanates from the Pinks…
    ________________________

    moononpluto
    September 5th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    love it, who knew Obama would test Obamacare death panels on his own party.

    Death Panels for Democrats … The DNC’s new tactic to hold the House.
    _________________________

    Crikey – If it wasn’t so true, it would be funny…

  67. Now look who is stirring the pot…

    Hillary 2012? Obama campaign manager won’t rule it out

    By David Edwards
    Sunday, September 5th, 2010

    Although Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said that she has no intention of running for president again, President Barack Obama’s former campaign manager wouldn’t rule it out Sunday.

    David Plouffe told NBC’s David Gregory that he doesn’t anticipate a Democratic challenger in 2012 but deflected questions about a possible Clinton run.

    “Do you envision a primary challenge from another Democrat in 2012 against this president?” asked Gregory.

    “I can’t imagine that,” replied Plouffe.

    “Can you rule out based on actual information that Secretary of State Clinton would not pursue the presidency again and would not challenge President Obama?” Gregory wondered.

    “You saw this week they’re working so well together. Working on Middle East peace and it’s a wonderful partnership. I think that was a really inspired choice by the president and Secretary of State Clinton is doing a remarkable job,” said Plouffe.

    “Is that yes, no or maybe?” pressed Gregory.

    “They’re a team and a great team for America,” Plouffe answered.

    In a 2009 NBC interview, Clinton said “no” three times when asked if she would run for president again.

    But the rumors (and, for some, hopes) of a Clinton run were sparked up again last week when a Chicago dentist, William DeJean, began running TV ads in New Orleans pushing for a Hillary 2012 campaign.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/plouffe-wont-rule-out-hillary-2012/

  68. Libertarian Gubernatorial Candidate Thrown off the Ballot in Florida.

    Richard Winger, one of the nation’s leading experts on third-party and independent candidates, is reporting at Ballot Access News that John Wayne Smith, the Libertarian candidate for governor, will not be on the ballot come November. The secretary of state removed Smith due to incomplete paperwork. Smith was to have been the first gubernatorial candidate running on the Libertarian line in Florida’s history.

  69. JanH
    September 5th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
    Now look who is stirring the pot…
    _________________________

    the draft-

  70. PumaSF, I’m not on Facebook. The only thing I’m on is Live Journal (different name there). I started a few Puma blogs on Blogspot but haven’t updated them in a long time. Lost the login and the energy.

  71. Now this desperation personified and frankly sad to see what has become od the DNC…..

    House Dems urged to aid colleagues

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/41797.html

    House Democratic leaders are pumping rank-and-file lawmakers for more campaign money as they hope to forestall Machiavellian decisions to cut off incumbents with dim prospects for winning reelection.

    On a conference call last week, Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) briefed fellow leaders on the “state of play” two months before the midterm election and emphasized the need to collect money from lawmakers who are sitting on healthy campaign treasuries despite facing nominal competition for their own seats, according to Democratic aides.

    “What was conveyed, primarily by Van Hollen” was “the more resources we have the better position we’re going to be in to put up a wall against the tough cycle we’re facing,” said one aide familiar with the call.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Van Hollen and four other Democratic leaders then wrote a letter to lawmakers beseeching them to either pony up their unpaid dues to the DCCC or commit to raising more money for the party from their own donors. With their four-year-old majority on the line, even the most politically vulnerable Democrats are being pressured to do more to raise money for the party’s coffers. In a separate letter to members in competitive districts, Van Hollen and two DCCC deputies asked the party’s most vulnerable incumbents to get their top donors to send maximum $30,400 checks to the DCCC so that the party will have more money to defend its majority.

    Because they legally can give unlimited sums from their own campaigns to the party committee, incumbents are the best source of quick cash for the DCCC.

    But the hard-driving push for so-called member-giving strongly suggests that Democrats fear that they won’t have the resources to hold onto power if they have to rely on contributions from lobbyists, political committees associated with businesses, labor unions and other interest groups, as well as the general public.

    ………………

    Seriously go read this, its a devestating indictment.

  72. This is way off topic but anyone who needs a good laugh go over to Ace of Spades and read the comments to the short post about Muchelle gearing up to use her “political capitol” on behalf of the dims.

    Seriously. It is frigging golden.
    (beverages not recommended for this blog experience)

    Whitehouse set to deploy October surprise.

  73. The DNC wants losing candidates and congressmen to hand over their election campaign money to them for other races. Basically, you’re losing, we are cutting you off, give us your banked money or we wont let you run again, thats the upshot here.

  74. Iraq war over, really?….well that lasted long. The administration is feeding us bullshit.

    Despite formal combat end, US joins Baghdad battle

    Days after the U.S. officially ended combat operations and touted Iraq’s ability to defend itself, American troops found themselves battling heavily armed militants assaulting an Iraqi military headquarters in the center of Baghdad on Sunday. The fighting killed 12 people and wounded dozens.

    It was the first exchange of fire involving U.S. troops in Baghdad since the Aug. 31 deadline for formally ending the combat mission, and it showed that American troops remaining in the country are still being drawn into the fighting.

    The attack also made plain the kind of lapses in security that have left Iraqis wary of the U.S. drawdown and distrustful of the ability of Iraqi forces now taking up ultimate responsibility for protecting the country.

    Sunday’s hour-long assault was the second in as many weeks on the facility, the headquarters for the Iraqi Army’s 11th Division, pointing to the failure of Iraqi forces to plug even the most obvious holes in their security.

    Two of the four attackers even managed to fight their way inside the compound and were only killed after running out of ammunition and detonating explosives belts they were wearing.

    The American troops who joined the fight and provided cover fire for Iraqi soldiers pursuing the attackers were based at the compound to train Iraqi forces, said U.S. military spokesman Lt. Col. Eric Bloom. Iraqi forces also requested help from U.S. helicopters, drones and explosives experts, he said. No American troops were hurt, Bloom said.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100905/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq

  75. Despite formal combat end, US joins Baghdad battle

    Days after the U.S. officially ended combat operations and touted Iraq’s ability to defend itself, American troops found themselves battling heavily armed militants assaulting an Iraqi military headquarters in the center of Baghdad on Sunday. The fighting killed 12 people and wounded dozens.
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    Mission Accomplished II.

  76. “What was conveyed, primarily by Van Hollen” was “the more resources we have the better position we’re going to be in to put up a wall against the tough cycle we’re facing,” said one aide familiar with the call.
    ———————————
    A wall? Really? A Chinese Wall? Hell no. Well then Hadrian’s Wall? Nope. Okay, the Pittsburgh Steelers defensive line? Hardly. Well then what kind of wall is Van Whoren talking about? Is it perchance a wall of concrete fortifications, tank obstacles, artillery casemates, machine gun posts, and other defenses, like the one France constructed along its borders with Germany during the 1930s which was named in honor of Andre Marginot? If so then the outcome is foreseeable. Today, the term Marginot Line is understood to mean an ineffective line of defense that is relied upon with undue confidence. They can rob Peter to pay Paul, but in since both are supporters of Obama both will go under the bus where they belong.

  77. love it, who knew Obama would test Obamacare death panels on his own party.

    Death Panels for Democrats … The DNC’s new tactic to hold the House.

    The story that has the political establishment all abuzz today is the plan for Democrats to concentrate party resources on those with the best chances of winning
    ————————————–
    In military terms this is a retreat. Retreat is a retrograde maneuver. In this case, Van Hollen is content to leave his own people behind to die in order to save Poopsie and ultimately the Great Pretender who will be innundated with subpoenas. The Marines never leave their casualties behind. Obama was not is not, is not, and will never be either a marine or a courageous leader. He is sociopath, a coward and a man who spends most of his time AWOL.

  78. The DNC wants losing candidates and congressmen to hand over their election campaign money to them for other races. Basically, you’re losing, we are cutting you off, give us your banked money or we wont let you run again, thats the upshot here.
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    Seems like a hollow threat to me. If they are losing and think they can win, they will be inclined to keep that money and find some other way to make things right. If they are losing and do not think they can win, then they will be inclined to keep that money so they can enjoy a comfortable life in the great hereafter. It Van Hollen who is running out of bullets. The late Sam Fuller could make a wonderful film noir movie out of this. The back drop should be an Aztec Ritual of Human Sacrifice, without the virgins.

  79. I went to dinner with a conservative dem tonight and although he is not thrilled with Obama he asked the same question I often do, namely, whom the republicans are going to run that have a reasonable chance of defeating Obama in 2012. We ageed it’s not Romney b/c of the Mormon bias, Huckabee and Palin too far right, Jindal no chance, Pawlenty nobody knows, and so forth….the republicans have no mainstream guy/lady who will attract Independents and disenfranchised dems. Iknow many hear love Palin, but imo, she is simply un-electable. Moreover,I think she likes the role she plays of being a power broker without the restraints of holding office and also making a hell of a lot of $$$$ while doing so. Once she got a taste of the good life in the general election, I don’t think she ever wanted to go back to being simply Sarah(albeit she plays the role perfectly).

  80. Palin did great solid, boring, wonky, Hillary-class work as Gov. And you don’t get to be president of the PTA and then small town mayor by being a pretty face and making fun of your opponents.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if she gets bored with the celebrity kingmaker life and wants to dig into the Oval Office pretty soon.

    All the work Obama doesn’t want to do….

  81. Sept. 5, 2010

    Analysts: White House Panicking Over Elections
    Say Dems Are Distancing Themselves From Obama, Angry Over Economy, Health Care Fallout

    By Jimmy So

    CBS) With many polls indicating the Republicans may win back control of the House of Representatives (and possibly the Senate as well) in the upcoming mid-term elections, Jim VandeHei, the executive editor of Politico, told CBS’ “Face the Nation” that the Obama administration is in a horrible position.

    “Does the White House understand this?” asked guest host Harry Smith. “Do you feel any sense of panic or concern” on the part of the administration?

    “They get it. There’s panic. There’s concern,” VandeHei said. “The reality for this administration stinks, politically and practically, when it comes to the economy. You’re not going to be able to change that 9.6-percent unemployment figure. You can’t get anything from Congress in the next couple of months.”

    CBS Congressional correspondent Nancy Cordes said the Democrats are distancing themselves from President Obama. “Not only are they running away from President Obama, they’re running away from being Democrats in some cases. In some races you actually see the Democratic candidates not really mentioning that they’re a Democrat in their campaign ads,” Cordes said.

    Smith asked his guests to try to identify the source of the discontent: “From your experience on the Hill, have you heard any Democrats in private conversations say, ‘You know what? We went down the wrong road. We went after health care. We went after so many other things on the Obama agenda as opposed to, in the end of the day, it’s all about creating jobs?'”

    “Not only have we heard that, but we’ve been hearing it for months,” said Cordes. “We heard it during the health care debate that dragged on for a year when the economy was so bad; they focused on health care and they focused on financial regulation.

    “Americans don’t feel the impact of those pieces of legislation yet,” she said. “There’s a lot of frustration on Capitol Hill among Democrats who feel like the President led them down this path. They didn’t all necessarily want to deal with health care. This was on the president’s agenda, and then they felt like he kind of hung them out to dry.”

    “Not a single Democrat has run an ad in support of the health care bill since April,” VandeHei noted.

    Cordes pointed out that Democrats are very unhappy about Mr. Obama’s speech last week, only the second Oval Office prime time address in his presidency.

    “What does he talk about? Not the economy, but Iraq,” Cordes said. “And they say, ‘No, we need to own the economy. If you’re going to use the power of your office to give a speech like that, talk about the economy.”

    VandeHei said the Republicans feel more powerful today than they’ve felt at any point in the last five or six years. “On top of that, you have this enthusiasm gap that is killing Democrats. If you look at the polling data from Gallup and from others, it shows that Republicans are fired up about this election. The liberal Democrats are not. They’re not enthusiastic about it. When you have races that are decided by a couple hundred votes, in a House that can be very, very close, that matters,” VandeHei said.

    He also suggested that Democrats are much more pessimistic than they were merely three or four weeks ago. He cited a recent Gallup poll that showed Republicans with a 10-point generic edge. “They’ve been polling for 60 years. We’ve not seen a number like that.”

    Cordes pointed out that predictions show the Republicans can win 45 to 50 seats in the House, and they only need 39 seats to take control.

    But VandeHei offered a glimmer of hope for President Obama and the Democrats. “It’s never too late,” he said. “Think about how fickle we are in everything in life now, whether it’s the cell phone that we choose or what we think about politics or what we do in our daily life. People are fickle.

    “I still think you can start to pull people back,” VandeHei said. “At the end of the day, it has to be that Obama has to find that magic. How can he get liberals to be as excited about him and about Democratic change as they were two years ago?

    Given suggestions that right-wing activists are more fired-up to support their candidates, VandeHei added, “I don’t understand how liberals can sit at home and feel like Obama has not done enough for them. This has been a breathtakingly activist government for the last two years.

    “Some day they’re going to sit back and go, ‘Wow, look at all they did!'”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/05/ftn/main6837589.shtml

  82. Palin is not electable on the Presidential level.

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    Sadly perhaps not. Bots would turn out against her. Still the Tea Party has pulled off some upsets.

    I can’t think of any POTUS nominee who would be worthy to season her. But she’s smart enough to hire someone, if she were POTUS 2012. Hm, hire teh Clintons undercover?

  83. turndownobama
    September 5th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    No, she wouldn’t hire the Clintons. Presidents come with a Party. Also, I think given her little education coupled with her short tenure as Governor, there’s just not enough meat there. Finally, the Tea Party has pulled off upsets within the Repub Party, but those upsets are a mixed bag in the generals. Indeed, Alaska moved from solid Repub to leans Repub after the Tea Party candidate won there, and a Repub candidate should be running away with it in NV against Reid, but with Tea Party candidate Angel, Reid is holding on.

  84. jb, some people think Rubio could pull of a presidential win in 2012. Obviously, he’s far right, but he comes across well and has an interesting biography.

  85. mj, I think Rubio( may his dad rest in peace) will have a tough time getting past Crist. Many dems are going vote for Crist as the lesser of two (2) evils as Meeks simply cannot win. Truthfully, I think as posted above, Obie would prefer Crist( a flim flam man/no moral compass other than what serves his own interests)to Meeks who supported Hillary despite enormous pressure from the AA’s in his district and fellow AA’s in Congress. Unlike Lewis and others, he stayed with Hillary until it was offcially over.

  86. jbstonesfan
    September 5th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    Completely agree. Obama wants Crist. To me, this was brazenly apparent when I realized head Obama cheerleader, Kos, was supporting Crist, way before either primary. I have heard people argue though, that the Dems support Crist, not just because Meeks can’t win, but because they are afraid of a future Rubio run for president if he were to win the Senate seat.

  87. Charlie Crist went to Martha’s Vineyard when The Won was there vacationing reportedly to meet with The Won’s Financial people. That told me all I needed to know about Crist. Everyone I have talked to so far here in Florida is all for Rubio. There are a lot of Latinos in Florida, you know. Never make the mistake of calling them Mexican, though. lol

    The more I hear from Rubio, the more I like him. I used to like Crist and he was at one time a popular Governor, before he went way up The Won’s a$$.

    What about a Gingrich/Palin ticket on the GOP side?

  88. The alibi the White House is putting out is it is not Obama, it is the economy.

    This is pure unadulterated bullshit.

    From alpha to omega the problem is Obama, Obama and Obama.

    The problem is in three parts: his character, his competence and his agenda.

    1. Character: he is a sociopath. One needs a medical dictionary to understand him.

    2. Competence: he can campaign but he cannot govern. He is a show horse, not a work horse.

    3. Agenda: he is a radical on political issues. On economic issues he favors elites over the American People.

    Our dire state of the economy is not the cause of Obama’s low standing. It is yet another symptom of his lack of leadership. Obama’s own actions have caused the economy to worsen.

    Ergo, if the economy is the cause in fact of Obama’s declining approval, then that does not exonerate Obama, because he has been president for nearly two years and his policies on taxes, regulation and debt load have made it far worse than it was and may yet turn the recession he inherited into a depression.

  89. Crap. Just found out that my friend Andy lost his 9-year old little girl this week. He’s such a terrific, very involved dad. I can’t imagine
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    I am saddened to hear that HillaryforTexas. Sad for the poor child, her family, and for you as well who know them personally and they were your friends. Losing a child this way must be one of the heaviest burdens a heart can bear.

  90. I am surprised to hear so many diss Palin as a potential POTUS. She has had the proverbial hit job laid upon her much like Hillary, with many of the same negatives
    thrown around by the MM AS Hillary did or does or will again if she decides to run again. The caveat to me, is she stepped down from an elected office. I still don’t believe she has given a valid explanation for this.

  91. I agree, Palin is not electable on the Presidential level.
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    mj: what I worry about is that the people who are “electable” are incapable of solving our problems. And those who could solve our problems are not electable. Two such people come readily to mind. Both are problem solvers, have a proven track record of success and love this country the way Obama never will. The problem is one of them may not run, and the other may run but will be nibbled to death by ducks. As long as big media controls the circus, we will get a freak show, and status quo agents.

  92. What about a Gingrich/Palin ticket on the GOP side?
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    I like it. And if Hillary does not run, I would support it, subject to what I said above. I do not care about the past, I do not care about the distractions. We need problem solvers and for me that is where is starts stops and ends. In business parleyance we need a new ceo who can turn the organization around and set it on the path where is has a future.

  93. I might be giving the GOP too much credit, but I just cannot believe that they will pass up the opportunity they will have in 2012, by not coming up with an exceptional candidate to go against O. After all, they have sure dug a lot of competition out of the walls in the rep and senate races across the country.

    I do think they laid low in 2008, licking their wounds. But with the possibilty of perhaps a majority in the house and who knows the Senate in Nov, why would they let that majority go to waste by not trying to take the Presidency in 2012.

    I think the Dems are really down from a imaginary high in 2008, and they really are disappointed. When you set expectations too high, and place a person in a high position they are not ready for, the voters, like elephants, do not forget. Stating it is the economy and not the President treats us like idiots, thinking we will forget that the man knew it was the economy, and he said he could fix it, and fix it fast.

    It reminds me of those intern positions they establish where they bring young college graduates along very quickly with short assignments in various places, and quick promotions. Then they release the intern into the real workforce, and they have hit the wall. The promotions are no longer coming quickly, and they learned little in those quick rotations through various areas of the organization. I think coming up the hard way, hardens you, teaches you things in depth, and helps you form alliances. O did not learn the ropes, and no promotion is in site, so what is there to look forward to.

    Oh that is right, his next vacation.

  94. wbboei
    September 6th, 2010 at 12:08 am

    I don’t think Palin can solve our problems. I didn’t think Obama could either. Largely for the same reason. She has very little experience. Aside from that, she left her job early. She has a limited education. You can have lots of experience without so much education (Reagan) and win, or lots of education with little experience (obama) and win, but I think it is very hard to become President without either. Also, I think Palin has formed a formidable political organization and if she racked up some more experience then in the future she may have a shot, but I just think the double whammy of little experience and little education presents insurmountable hurdles. In those ways, she is nothing like Hillary at all.

  95. Oh…I really don’t think Gingrich can solve our problems. LOL. But the religious right would never support him, people don’t really like him, and he lead the impeachment march against Bill Clinton. He ain’t gonna be their nominee.

  96. I don’t think Palin can solve our problems.
    ——————————————
    What about Gingrich? Apart from the personal stuff which many people do not like about him, do you think he could solve our problems–like the economy and jobs for example, because sooner or later the whole thing will collapse if we cannot solve those two problems.

  97. I’m not dissing Palin as a potential potus. I just don’t think she should run for the job yet. Maybe in 5 to 10 more years, but not right now.

    Then again, they put a juvenile delinquent into the potus’s seat in 2008, and Palin is certainly not that.

  98. I think given her little education coupled with her short tenure as Governor, there’s just not enough meat there.

    ==================

    To me the fast success she did have in Alaska with so little prestigious education or backing — shows a lot of personal ability. If she could quickly rise from the WAsilla PTA to the Governorship and do solid work as Gov and earn a 80% approval record — I expect she could handle a similar learning curve from Governor to POTUS.

    Her expertise as Gov — taming the oil companies, pipeline with Canada, alternate energy for Alaska — covers a lot of the background that a POTUS needs now.

    I agree not all voters would agree with me, though. And the national oil companies would oppose her election, not wanting to be tamed, nor the insurance companies, etc etc.

    So it’s probably an unrealistic dream.

  99. I’m not dissing Palin as a potential potus. I just don’t think she should run for the job yet. Maybe in 5 to 10 more years, but not right now.

    =================

    How could she best spend those 5-10 years, lacking the Governorship?

    Imo Hillary gained a lot of respect and credibility by her ‘losing’ campaign. Especially by fighting on tirelessly after being counted out. She showed unbelievable stamina, ability to handle a sustained crisis, etc.

    Even if Obama defeated Palin in 2012, by running her OWN campaign (without the ‘help’ of the McCain staff and other GOP handlers) she could demonstrate her own ability.

    I’m not sure what other serious, visible projects she could be doing in 2012. Just running around endorsing people and writing books etc would wear out her star quality if she doesn’t do something serious to recharge it.

  100. wbboei
    September 6th, 2010 at 12:20 am

    No way! Come on. This is the man that shut down the federal government. He hasn’t a clue on how to fix the economy. He trots out the same tired excuses, permanent Bush tax cuts for rich people, no government spending. It’s ludicrus, and just poor policy. Look, a big reason we ended up in what I would say is a second Long Depression is because the wealth is so heavily concentrated at the top now(infact as much as it was in 1938), and the wealthy spend a considerably lower portion of their income than the middle class. In other words, you have people at the top basically hoarding the wealth in this country. Giving these people more tax cuts, as Gingrich would do, ain’t going stimulate anything. And shutting down the government is foolish. Government is the main employer in the US. You shut down the gov you’ll see huge spikes in unemployment and an even weaker economy. I think Gingrich is great at grandstanding and terrible at economic policy.

  101. Today, Graham on MTP suggested we need another compact like Gingrich’s ‘Contract With America’… I shudder to think having Dr. Strangelove anywhere near the controls or channels of power.

    How could we forget Newt’s ego shutting down Congress for 2 days just to make a point which BC neutralized afterall.

  102. turndownobama
    September 6th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    You are talking about a state off 700k. This is a country of 300 million. I just don’t think her successes in Alaska would seal the deal.

  103. Palin had more experience than the fraud and she was successful at each and every job she held. Talk dissing her education is elitist at best. She
    simply gets the job done!

  104. turndownobama
    September 6th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    How could she best spend those 5-10 years, lacking the Governorship?

    Imo Hillary gained a lot of respect and credibility by her ‘losing’ campaign.

    She could run for office again. She’s extremely young.

    That may be true of Hillary but she’s a Wellesley grad, a yale educated lawyer, first lady, twice elected Senator from New York(one of the nations largest states), and went on from that to become secretary of state. Palin isn’t on par with Hillary.

  105. Yes,yes Hillary’s education and experience is outstanding, but she may never run again.Ivy League education, we have plenty of those fools…see the fraud WH. If Hillary doesn’t run, give me a common sense, Truman sort of person…Palin…

  106. gonzotx
    September 6th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    There is nothing eltist about what I said. I mentioned Reagan who also wasn’t very educated but was the twice elected governor of California. I do think it takes either a good deal of education or a great deal of experience to win the office of the presidency. That’s not elitist. It’s reflective of history. Further, I don’t know about you, but one of my main issues with Obama was experience. A two year governor of a small state clearly doesn’t have a lot of experience. And, my point really wasn’t personal, but what I believe the general electorate would weigh in a presidential contest.

  107. You are talking about a state off 700k. This is a country of 300 million. I just don’t think her successes in Alaska would seal the deal.

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    Seal with whom? I’m impressed, but I wouldn’t expect most voters (outside Alaska) to know or care.

    As to a state of 700k, the background she got in energy issues isn’t measured in residents but in gallons or dollars. To pull off what she did with the oil companies — to push them as far as they would go without them fleeing and taking their investment elsewhere — she had to know a lot about the world energy situation. And she needed international knowledge to succeed in the Canada pipeline deal.

    The population size in Alaska is pretty irrelevant to the world-scale stuff she had to learn.

  108. gonzotx
    September 6th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    Truman was a judge, a twice elected Senator, and then vice president who succeeded the Presidency when FDR died.

  109. Reagan and Bush2 were surrounded by seasoned partners and experienced cabinet members. This is where BO is seriously lacking and why he is a floundering failure.

    If Palin were surrounded with like members of the Bush Admininstration and the Reagan Administration it might be possible. She hasn’t made the seasoned contacts she needs for success- Unless the GOP marshalled a team for her. However, I don’t see that happening in her future. She has more of a chance with Hillary. When Hillary accepts a draft and has the Dem Nomination then of course there’s an election to win… After jumping through the proverbial hoops, she can appoint Palin to the next step up at the federal level. A cabinet position or as a high level dept head.

  110. She could run for office again. She’s extremely young.

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    What office? Carpetbag to NY? AK just elected a new Senator; even in 6 years she could hardly run against Miller after campaigning for him this time. The other Senator, Begich, was elected in 2008. Running for Gov again would look silly (against her own Lt Gov now promoted to Gov with her blessing) and the same people who were harassing her as Gov would probably do it again.

    Representative? She’s an executive, Jim, not a team novice….

  111. gonzotx
    September 6th, 2010 at 12:54 am

    Yes, Carter also had little experience. However, that isn’t the norm, right? And, it didn’t work out very well, did it? Though he did complete his term as governor. Look, if you want someone who can beat Obama, my point is, Sarah Palin probably is not the best candidate at this time. Why are you taking such issue with that? I do think it’s hard for governors from very small states to become presidential nominees unless they serve a long time.

  112. turndownobama
    September 6th, 2010 at 1:07 am
    She could run for office again. She’s extremely young.

    —-

    Ok, so it’s president or bust? Lol. We’ll see what she decides to do.

  113. “Palin isn’t on par with Hillary.”

    ——————

    Simply said but right on the mark.

    ——————

    And I really hope Gingrich doesn’t decide to run again. How is it we can forget about the past for some and not others? I guess it is just preference.

  114. How is it we can forget about the past for some and not others?
    ________________________

    HA! Good question. 🙄

  115. JanH said:

    How is it we can forget about the past for some and not others?

    I agree, Jan, I certainly can not and with that. I’m going to bed.

  116. mj
    September 6th, 2010 at 12:40 am
    wbboei
    September 6th, 2010 at 12:20 am

    No way! Come on. This is the man that shut down the federal government. He hasn’t a clue on how to fix the economy. He trots out the same tired excuses, permanent Bush tax cuts for rich people, no government spending. It’s ludicrus, and just poor policy. Look, a big reason we ended up in what I would say is a second Long Depression is because the wealth is so heavily concentrated at the top now(infact as much as it was in 1938), and the wealthy spend a considerably lower portion of their income than the middle class. In other words, you have people at the top basically hoarding the wealth in this country. Giving these people more tax cuts, as Gingrich would do, ain’t going stimulate anything. And shutting down the government is foolish. Government is the main employer in the US. You shut down the gov you’ll see huge spikes in unemployment and an even weaker economy. I think Gingrich is great at grandstanding and terrible at economic policy.

    —-

    Opps. I meant 1928 NOT 1938. As in right before the market crashed.

  117. Look, if you want someone who can beat Obama, my point is, Sarah Palin probably is not the best candidate at this time.

    =================

    Well, if electability is the point, then yes, she’d have a hard time getting elected in Nov 2012.

    I’ve been talking about how good a job I think she might do if by some miracle she got elected.

    Of course Hillary is better in all ways!

    I’m not sure I WANT any of the other possible GOPs — or could imagine voting for them.

  118. I do think it takes either a good deal of education or a great deal of experience to win the office of the presidency. That’s not elitist. It’s reflective of history.

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    Good night, but fwiw, I don’t think history supports this. Lack of ivy is something the media and the bots use against Palin. But I’m not sure that presence of ivy helped other Dems: Dukakis, Mondale, Stevenson, Gore. Reagan and Bush sure tried to act folksy.

  119. gonzotx said:
    Palin had more experience than the fraud and she was successful at each and every job she held. Talk dissing her education is elitist at best. She
    simply gets the job done!

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    Agree!!!!!

  120. Don’t sell Haley Barbour short. In addition to having THE best accent in the business (“We are he-yar today to dis-CUSS the important ish-SHOES FAY-sing owar gra=yut NAY-shun”), Barbour was a very effective head of the Rebublican National Committee during the Clinton years — when the Republicans took control of the House and Senate. He is the go-to guy in Republican politics today as the head of the Republican Governors Association. He’s got a massive war chest to spend in November, with the likes of a $1 million commitment from Rupert Murdoch. With Michael Steel proving to be incompetent, Barbour is the de facto head of the of the RNC again. He and Rove are running the money and politics.

    The only real knock on him was that he was a hugely successful lobbyist, especially for big tobacco. He’s a very popular governor with a 70% approval rating.

  121. “What was conveyed, primarily by Van Hollen” was “the more resources we have the better position we’re going to be in to put up a wall against the tough cycle we’re facing,” said one aide familiar with the call.
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    This is not reporting—remember the old who when what why where and how

    You will not find it in this passage

    Doesn’t even rise to the level of gossip

    “van hollen conveyed”—f/u–what were his exact words? who were the parties to that conversation? what was their response?

    “tough cycle”—f/u—how about a self inflicted wound?

    “said one aid familiar with the call”—f/u–who was this is this aid, was he on the call, why should we believe him?

    I swear to you, this Politico group is in bed with this Administration—every step of the way

    I would not be surprised if this conversation was not simply made up or distorted like everything else they write.

    This Politico crew may be many things–lazy, biased, jurnolisters etc. But reporters they are not. Propagandists they are.

  122. Oh…I really don’t think Gingrich can solve our problems. LOL. But the religious right would never support him, people don’t really like him, and he lead the impeachment march against Bill Clinton. He ain’t gonna be their nominee.
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    My friend who is now deceased was part of his inner circle. I spent a few minutes with him one evening in the late 1990s. Notwithstanding what else he may be Gingrich is a problem solver, second only to Hillary and Bill. I have watched the moves he is making as we speak, as you probably have. The Republican Party picks its leaders differently than the Democratic Party did traditionally–the installation of a Mr. Nowhere Man in 2008 was an aberration. Seniority is important to Republicans, and so is holding having held high position. If they win the House, Boehner will become speaker and Newt was his mentor. The history you cite highlights the defects in his candidacy which are the potentiality for excessive partisanship and the moral hazard. Whether those defects matter to Republicans and independent today is questionable. But assuming they do, then the question becomes are they outweighed by other factors, such as his aptitude for problem solving. The Hailey Barbor candidacy is serious too. His proven ability to raise money is the reason. For me the paradigm is New York City before and after the depression hit. Prior they had freewheeling flamboyant big spending Tammany Hall man Jimmy Walker as Mayor, whereas after the fall, they chose an old shoe type of Republican named Fiorello La Guardia. They are capable of nominating someone like him as well. I have never met him but that is my abiding impression of him.

  123. Now why is it politicians do this and get away with apology whereas had you or i done this, the irs would be on you like a ton of bricks.

    Audit discloses Cahill campaign failed to pay $15G in state income tax

    http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/rss/ci_15971665?source=rss

    BOSTON — State Treasurer Tim Cahill took responsibility Wednesday for failing to pay state income taxes on interest earned from his campaign account, calling the gaffe “an oversight” that he moved quickly to correct.

    “The good news is that when it was pointed out to us, we paid it, and it was not a huge mistake,” he told WHYN radio in Springfield yesterday morning. “I’m not perfect. Nobody is.”

    Cahill’s mismanagement of his own campaign funds, however, gave critics broad leverage yesterday to criticize the independent gubernatorial candidate’s campaign message that he would be a strong fiscal watchdog in the corner office.

    Cahill admitted Tuesday night that his campaign had failed to pay about $15,000 in income taxes to the state on interest accrued from invested campaign funds.

    Republicans, in particular, seized on the disclosure as they attempted to discredit Cahill’s candidacy in an attempt to give Republican Charlie Baker a clearer shot at Gov. Deval Patrick.

    “Tim Cahill has been so busy trying to hide his position on taxes in order to pander to the voters that he couldn’t be bothered to pay his own taxes,” said Nate Little, executive director of the Massachusetts Republican Party.

    Campaign spokesman Adam Meldrum Tuesday night e-mailed an explanation stating that since 2002 the Cahill campaign had invested a significant amount of campaign funds — about $3 million — in interest earning CDs.

  124. Don’t sell Haley Barbour short. In addition to having THE best accent in the business (”We are he-yar today to dis-CUSS the important ish-SHOES FAY-sing owar gra=yut NAY-shun”), Barbour was a very effective head of the Rebublican National Committee during the Clinton years — when the Republicans took control of the House and Senate. He is the go-to guy in Republican politics today as the head of the Republican Governors Association. He’s got a massive war chest to spend in November, with the likes of a $1 million commitment from Rupert Murdoch. With Michael Steel proving to be incompetent, Barbour is the de facto head of the of the RNC again. He and Rove are running the money and politics.

    The only real knock on him was that he was a hugely successful lobbyist, especially for big tobacco. He’s a very popular governor with a 70% approval rating.
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    hwc: I agree with your observations and insights about Haley Barbour as set forth above. They are excellent.

  125. moononpluto
    September 5th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
    Now this desperation personified and frankly sad to see what has become od the DNC…..
    House Dems urged to aid colleagues

    Call it what it is. It is cannibalism. There will be a full on revolt and Nancy will not be the minority leader. Bye Nance. Hope you enjoy obscurity.

  126. House Dems urged to aid colleagues

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    And where’s all this thousand-year rain of donations Obama was going to bring to the Dems?

  127. When you have an economic depression no one spends the bucks. And that includes political donations. I gave $250.00 to my Dem state rep and that is all for this year. I have known him 30 years and he despises Obama and his political operatives. I refused to go to his fundraiser and sent him a check with a note. He called me and said he is thinking about retiring in 2012 because he just doesn’t have the stomach for it anymore.

  128. The following is from “Irish Central”

    Hillary Clinton will apply Irish lessons to Middle East peace talks

    The prospects for the Middle East peace process seemed uniformly negative when President Obama announced their resumption a few weeks ago.

    This is very typical of our media today, a tendency to admire a problem rather than see a way to solving it.

    It was the very same with the Irish peace process for years, as a skeptical press highlighted every setback and disdained any chance at a successful outcome.

    Much of the coverage was also skin deep as I suspect the Middle East process coverage is to date.

    The fault lines underneath may be shifting but the media are often the last to know.

    The presence of Hillary Clinton and George Mitchell in the U.S. delegation makes peace far more possible in my opinion.

    Mitchell earned his spurs on the Northern Irish process and has performed miracles to get the sides to the table on this occasion.

    Hillary also worked closely on the Northern process and cites it repeatedly when discussing the Middle East and the problems that they face there.

    They both learned very important lessons from Northern Ireland.

    Chief among them is that the human dynamic can often take over.

    When leaders with opposite views finally engage it is vital to create a common bond of humanity among them.

    Thus did Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness of Sinn Fein ended up discussing their families with leading unionists and realizing that many of the issues they faced day to day were the same.

    Ian Paisley and Tony Blair discussed the role of religion in their lives. Paisley gave Blair a gift for his new born child.

    Others on opposite sides discovered they were recent grandfathers and that they were terrified their grandchildren would grow up in a violent Northern Ireland

    When you get opponents to move away from demonizing each other, that very particular human elements can bring about subtle and then real change.

    I think there is a real possibility of that happening n the Middle East talks.

    It is far too soon to write them off.

  129. A noteworthy remark from the above article:

    “When you get opponents to move away from demonizing each other, that very particular human elements can bring about subtle and then real change.”

    We should take heed of this in our own discussions of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and also of muslim “fanatics” that we know precious little about.

  130. I seem to be fixated on the Democrats cutting off funding of stragglers and then turning around and extorting funds from the ones who are not in imminent danger of being defeated (as in unopposed). David Pouffle was put in charge of “strategy” of races for governorships, House of Reps and the Senate. All he has done is set up the 2012 campaign for Obama with some more crazy GOTV for the young voters. They have money. But they are holding it back for 2012 for the One. Once it is understood that the Obama for America DNC is not spending any of Obama’s loot for the fools who voted for all of his crap, and safe seats are to impoverish themselves to help stave off utter humiliation for Obama’s sake, all hell is going to break loose. I do not think Chicago pols like Obama are really into sharing unless it giving it to him. The flim flam is coming full circle and it only took two years. I wonder if Obama is thinking about eggs and shoes being thrown at him at book signings.

  131. Yes, they do have money. o still has $30 million left over from 2008. That could go a long way, but he’ll keep that for himself in 2012. Plouffe may be thinking that money isn’t going to buy the election anyway, and if he is thinking that, he’s right.

  132. FOXNews.com – Byrd Family Objects to Funeral Footage in GOP Ad
    CHARLESTON, W.Va. — The family of the late Robert C. Byrd blasted the GOP nominee for his U.S. Senate seat Sunday after he used an image from Byrd’s memorial service in a TV ad attacking the Democratic nominee. The ad by Republican John Raese’s campaign seeks to link President Barack Obama to Gov. Joe Manchin by displaying an image of the two Democrats at the state Capitol ceremony marking Byrd’s June 28 death….
    h t t p://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/06/byrd-family-objects-funeral-footage-gop-ad/

    With the big a$$ed smiles of both Manchin and Obama at the event memorializing Sen. Byrd, I believe the family would have been better off giving the GOP a pass on this.

  133. “When you get opponents to move away from demonizing each other, that very particular human elements can bring about subtle and then real change.”
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    I don’t see the humanity element working for a Republican in charge. You have high profile Repugs either tying their pets to the roof of their cars and/or appearing paper and pen in hand on the wife’s death bed for a quick signing of divorce papers.

    Republicans have an inborn cold streak. They are grudge holders and relive what they perceive as an unforgiveable hurt… daily. Humanity? Piffle- if it doesn’t affect them positively… they have little interest.

  134. Monday, September 6, 2010

    Bill Clinton set for Belfast visit

    Former US president Bill Clinton is planning to return to Belfast next month.

    A brief visit has been organised in advance of a major economic summit on Northern Ireland in Washington on October 19th which is being organised by his wife, US secretary of state Hillary Clinton.

    Mr Clinton was heavily involved in the Northern Ireland peace process, especially in the run-up to the signing of the Belfast Agreement in 1998.

    He first visited Belfast in December 1995.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0906/breaking33.html

  135. ” The family of the late Robert C. Byrd blasted the GOP nominee for his U.S. Senate seat Sunday after he used an image from Byrd’s memorial service in a TV ad attacking the Democratic nominee.”
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    Another perfect example of using ‘whatever means’ for political rise in this case an attack ad. The heck with respect for the families feelings. They have to be told what they did is unaccptable. They can’t figure it out for themselves.

  136. JanH
    September 6th, 2010 at 10:13 am
    Monday, September 6, 2010

    Bill Clinton set for Belfast visit

    Former US president Bill Clinton is planning to return to Belfast next month.
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    The Irish LOVE Bill Clinton as a favorite son even more than they ever did for the Kennedys. Every nook and cranny in the North and South will have their doors open for Bill just hoping he will happen to stop by for a Black and Tan… It will be sheer pandimonium in the streets for their beloved Bill.

  137. Moemaer: that is precisely what it is, i.e. cannibalism and it will lead to the very thing you describe. Here is why.

    Suppose you were a democratic official in a swing state or district. Just suppose. Suppose further that you supported Obama against your better judgment because he got the nomination, and you turned a blind eye to how he got there. It was all about unity man. What else could you do at that point. You are and always have been a democrat, you believe in the core principles of the party, and you want to go on serving your constituents. So you get on the roller coaster with your peers and you ride ride ride. His approval rate soars to the heavens on election day, the air is full of talk about forty years of democratic rule based on demographics, and Brian Williams assures us that the kingdom of god is at hand. And you forget for the moment the truth which is that this is all hype, the problems will not melt away, and this whole damn thing is in the words of Cole Porter too darn hot not to cool down.

    Time marches on, and you find it passing strange that he would get the Nobel Prize for nothing, and you begin to suspect that there may be forces at work with some other agenda in mind than serving the American People. You watch as he begins paying off his cronies, ignoring the economy and taking over large pieces of the economy. He is caught in flagrante delicto making whoopie with the insurance industry in violation of his sacred promise to drive the money changers from the temple.

    Your constituents are not young wackos or corrupt journalist like Halperin, or Brian Williams or Step and Fetch in. They are people with solid values, who believe in this country, and they are becoming very leery of this faux leader. And so are you. Your apprehensions grow as you watch him dismiss valid concerns raised by the American People as racism, appoint a rogues gallery of czars and bribe congressmen like you to vote for a health care bill which you know your constituents despise. You find yourself in a very awkward position. Should you support the party or the will of your constituents? If you support him, there will be a day of reckoning in 2010 but the economy is improving and you are assured that if you need help in your election Obama will campaign for you and there will be money, tons of it to ensure your re election.

    However, as time goes on everything gets worse. The economy which started to improve falls back into recession. He creates over two trillion in debt to an economy which is shedding jobs faster than the eve can see. He is always on vacation. He manages to alienate large portions of the public with his thoughtless comments. misbegotten policies and failure to address much less solve the problems which matter to them in their lives. He is like a dancing Panda. When he goes off script he is a walking minefield. He fiddles while Rome burns, but he has two years before he must face the piper.

    But for you on the other hand it is Miller time and he is increasingly indifferent to your fate. As you study the polls you realize that he lacks both the will and the capacity to help you survive, you regret your support for him and you do not want to be seen in his presence on the campaign trail because he is a lightening rod, and you are the one who will be electrocuted.

    You have to be subtle about this however, because you cannot be seen as opposing the president, and Van Hollen is panicking and threatening to defrock any democrat who does not vigorously support the president. Some of your constituents tell you privately that they do not expect to survive this election cycle, the situation is too far gone, there is not enough time and they cannot decide which they hate worst the knife in their belly from their constituents, or the one at their back from Obama. You tell them to be courageous, the Republicans could still do something stupid, and above all there is always the money that you have accumulated and been promised to fight this battle. That is your last weapon.

    And they you get the call from some staff worm who works for Van Hollen who tells you sorry Charlie, the party is over, you aint gonna win, so for the good of Obama, Pelosi and your beloved party fork over all your money so you can save the democrats we have decided to save. You on the other and are expendable. In those circumstances would you go gently into that good night? Would you say hail Caesar, we who are about to die salute you? I wouldn’t. I would do a variant of the Charleton Heston NRA commercial–I will not fork over my gun (in this case my money) until you strip it off my cold dead body. And just so there is no ambiguity here, fuck you Obama and the horse you rode in on.

  138. I got a response from Dr Dejean on Facebook. He asked in what way were we suggesting to team up. I had requested that he checkout hillaryis44 and to say hi.

  139. ” The family of the late Robert C. Byrd blasted the GOP nominee for his U.S. Senate seat Sunday after he used an image from Byrd’s memorial service in a TV ad attacking the Democratic nominee.”
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    If the funeral was a private event then they are right. If it was a public event where a former president spoke then there is no basis for their objection. This was neither defamatory nor was it a blight on his character. The great Robert Byrd belongs to the ages and to the people of West Virgina, democrats and republicans alike. If they depicted him in the attire of a Grand Cyclops to commemorate his former support for the KKK then they would have a point. He and St. Peter may be having a side bar about that little episode right now. Perhaps his family should file an amicus brief.

  140. “I wouldn’t. I would do a variant of the Charleton Heston NRA commercial–I will not fork over my gun (in this case my money) until you strip it off my cold dead body. And just so there is no ambiguity here, fuck you Obama and the horse you rode in on.”
    ______________________

    agreed, a reaction and is not solution orientated. A mutiny within the party would cause a change. Contacting the other candidates who were viewed as poor risks for Obama’s precious money and resources subvert and submarine the very Party Obama promised would change Washington for the better. In which case you have taken charge of your own destiny putting your assets on the line for your own self respect. Who knows, you may even be reconized as the next Ceasar Chavez. When the system failed you, you stood up and said… no thanks! And were recgnized for a hidden talent: ‘leadership qualities’.

  141. Another perfect example of using ‘whatever means’ for political rise in this case an attack ad. The heck with respect for the families feelings. They have to be told what they did is unaccptable. They can’t figure it out for themselves.
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    There is a principle of equity at work here that should not go unnoticed. If the dims used the death of robert byrd for political purposes, and it is after all his seat they are vying for, then it is fair game. In a court of law certain subjects are beyond the scope of inquiry unless the opponent opens the door. I would not give a shit about this were it not for the way Manchin and Byrd treated Hillary. In view of that I am unable to give Byrd or his family the benefit of the doubt.

  142. ShortTermer
    September 6th, 2010 at 11:18 am

    I got a response from Dr Dejean on Facebook. He asked in what way were we suggesting to team up. I had requested that he checkout hillaryis44 and to say hi.
    ______________________

    I would like nothing better than having a hand in launching a draft nomination for Madame Secretary Clinton… Of course, we would have to see what Dr Dejean’s intentions are… and how far he is willing to go with the idea of beginning the historical groundswells for a Hillary draft nomination with us at Big Pink… Youtube is probably a good way to begin… more of what he has made initially successful… imo-

    Perhaps if we get plan on getting involved we should ck out his background first. Make sure he is who he says he is.

  143. Here is another part of the equation. What is it about Byrd that the family is so keen to protect. Granted, I have not seen the commercial, and maybe it is obvious. But this is one of the ways we get in trouble. First of all his death is no tragedy. It is a natural event. A tragedy is what happened to that 9 year old girl. Byrd chose a public life and as such he rendered himself subject to public scrutiny. But the biggest problem is this legacy stuff. We saw it with John Kennedy, Jackie’s aggressive attempt to make him into a civil rights martyr, and the way his reprobate brother Ted went blatto when Hillary acknowledged the role of LBJ rather than jfk in passing the civil rights act of 1964. When they are dead they are dead and the families really ought to back off. I can assure you that the objection you see from them now has more to do with politics than love for Robert. When it mattered, I mean when it really mattered, to the people of West Virginia, he chose to disregard their will and support Obama. That is the legacy I remember.

  144. Dr Dejean seems to be very loyal to Hillary. Even so, if Hillary Clinton is not willing to run again, why would hillaryis44 get involved with someone who is already being demeaned by the media. Are there not other ways to maintain this site’s stellar reputation and at the same time support Hillary whatever she decides to do?

  145. I realize the decision is completely up to the admins, but I was just wondering if we shouldn’t take a wait and see attitude here.

  146. Mrs. Smith, go to his wall on FaceBook. IMHO, that tells us a lot. As far as I can see, he is FOR Hillary and AGAINST The Won. Iirc, he worked to help elect Hillary in 2008. What are things we need to know?

  147. Manchin had his nose so far up Byrd’s ass that that has to be the reason he reneged on his prior commitment to support the winner of the primary.

  148. JanH, and as always, it would be up to the individuals to participate. But I can not imagine that Admin would have objections; Admin, would you?

  149. “If the dims used the death of robert byrd for political purposes, and it is after all his seat they are vying for, then it is fair game.”
    _______________________

    Apparently, you follow the Republican rule. Then again, you are not affected because you are not an immediate family member. The heck with the legal aspects. The man is barely cold in his grave for cripes sakes. He’s been in the family for 4 generations almost an immoral figure to his family members… It was too early and really declasse using him for an attack campaign ad. If the ad were a tribute to his service and his successor chose to use it as something he was aspiring to; the family would have been behind him 100%. Apparently, that is not the case.

    ” I would not give a shit about this were it not for the way Manchin and Byrd treated Hillary”
    ___________________

    Hillary doesn’t give a shit, so why should you? Hillary had the deepest respect for Senator Byrd. FYI in the 9/11 tragedy when all hell broke loose and Hillary was looking for emergency government partipation as a senator and funds to handle emergency operations; it was Senator Byrd who called her over the weekend when one of his best researchers came up with a hidden obscure law giving her the power to move unhindered by beaucratic channels bogged down in paperwork. Hillary made a public statement she was eternally grateful for the task she put before him…. finding her the POWER to MOVE unhindered in a catastropic emergency. At worst, Hillary and Bill are able to balance the good the bad and the ugly and they don’t get hung up on one offense like it’s the end of the world and grudgeworthy.

    It’s balance that makes the Clintons so popular and successful. People should take a page out of their books for the secret to their own success.

  150. I realize the decision is completely up to the admins, but I was just wondering if we shouldn’t take a wait and see attitude here
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    It is an inside game now. Inside the party and inside the circles of the money men. And we are waiting for November. The media loves to have it in the public arena where they have the bully pulpit and can attack with impunity. I would not fight the battle on their turf, and neither would Sun Tsu. Admin is the expert, but I think our strongest position is to continue pointing out the egregious failure of leadership we see in Obama and its dire consequences for our country. Others will decide what if anything to do about it. In sum, from what little I know about it, I think your comment is prudential.

  151. Apparently, you follow the Republican rule. Then again, you are not affected because you are not an immediate family member. The heck with the legal aspects. The man is barely cold in his grave for cripes sakes.
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    Okay. Let forget the law and consider it from a dramatic standpoint. It was not long after Caesar died that Brutus was on the bully pulpit condemning Caesar–but as he was ambitious I slew him. And it was not long after that that Mark Anthony stood before the mob, mocked Brutus and moved them to mutiny as he so delicately put it. There as here, the death of a public leader was a public event, and both sides take partisan positions around it. Yes? No? Maybe? Once someone decides upon a public life, their actions in life are appropriate matters for comment. It is unavoidable.

  152. ShortTermer
    September 6th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    JanH, and as always, it would be up to the individuals to participate. But I can not imagine that Admin would have objections; Admin, would you?
    __________________

    ShortTermer- it’s a great idea. But I think we should ask Admin for her opinion first before we do anything. Yes, Hillary said she would not run… a draft is not running… All the campaigning is done by the grassroots and supporters. If in the end she refuses a draft then we know she is not interested in the presidency. Then we can all hold hands, cry and be depressed.

    The time is right.. imo.. we either go forward or go home. It’s entirely up to Admin to advise us…

  153. “It was not long after Caesar died that Brutus was on the bully pulpit condemning Caesar–but as he was ambitious I slew him. And it was not long after that that Mark Anthony stood before the mob, mocked Brutus and moved them to mutiny as he so delicately put it. There as here, the death of a public leader was a public event, and both sides take partisan positions around it. Yes? No? Maybe? Once someone decides upon a public life, their actions in life are appropriate matters for comment. It is unavoidable.”
    ____________________

    False analogy. Why not use the analogy of Caesar Agustus? He was beloved by the Romans because he found the correct balance between governemnt and the electorate. The first known Peace and Prosperity.

    Quick read here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus

    An impressive model to say the least.

  154. I believe what I have been told which is that there is a group of people who decide whom the candidates will be in any election, and they may even decide in subtler ways who ultimately wins. The control points are the media and money. If this point seemed far fetched before, the 2008 primary brought it to light in a very graphic way. But before there is a consensus, there is some form of private discussion, where different opinions are expressed. People who want a particular candidate go out on a limb and tell their colleagues he or she is worthy of support, because he or she will advance an agenda compatible with your interests, will command sufficient public support to give the appearance of a democratic mandate and will not shit in his mess kit. Well, if that is even half true, then those erstwhile supporters must be a little concerned that Obama is sawing off the limb they went out on, and they are beginning to look pretty stupid in front of their peers. In that case, the momentum is likely to shift and Obama will not run in 2012. He had his chance and he blew it, is what they will say.

  155. “I believe what I have been told which is that there is a group of people who decide whom the candidates will be in any election, and they may even decide in subtler ways who ultimately wins.’
    _________________________

    And no one would know better than the presumed next president. If Hillary isn’t resistant to a draft that has to have meaning to her supporters. It’s Clinton speak to the supporters who have been with her from the day she declared and before that in the Primary. If she declines the draft, then it’s over for her and us-

  156. Occams Razor: “The big issue, and people know this, is the explosion of federal spending that is damaging our economy and threatening our future”.
    ———————-
    How Do You Stop an Elephant Charging?

    Democrats are running out of time to find an answer.
    By PEGGY NOONAN

    Eight weeks out and you don’t have to be a political professional to feel what’s in the air: The Republicans have a big win coming.

    The question in the House races is: Will they get to 218? Will Republicans pick up the 39 seats they need to win control of the 435-member chamber?

    Another way of asking: Is this 1994 again?

    That year the Republicans swept the House races, picking up 52 seats and getting, for the first time in 40 years, a Republican majority and a Republican speaker, Newt Gingrich. Even then-Speaker Tom Foley (D., Wash.), lost his seat that year. (Speaker Nancy Pelosi is famously in no danger—she won her seat with 72 % of the vote in 2008—but it probably means something that she appears to have gone missing from the national scene. CBS, in March, had her at 11% approval among registered voters.)

    A Gallup survey of registered voters this week had Republicans beating Democrats in a generic ballot by 10 points, 51% to 41%. In the 68-year history of that poll, the GOP had never led by more than five points. RealClearPolitics has Republicans ahead in 206 races and Democrats ahead in 194, with 35 too close to call. The Cook Political Report puts 68 Democratic House seats “at substantial risk,” while judging less than a dozen GOP seats to be in real trouble. White House spokesman Robert Gibbs made news a few weeks ago by conceding the obvious: that the Republicans could take the House. Top Democrats have told the same to Politico.

    The news is so good it’s prompting mutterings on the right: The liberal media are trumpeting the inevitable GOP triumph to make the base complacent and the party peak early. Anything but a Democratic debacle will be spun as proof that Obama’s support, while soft, endures. “The Republicans had a typical off-year chance to win back power and failed. The reason? Voters just don’t trust them.”

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    Chad Crowe
    The Democrats are not without resources. The first is money, and the second is troops. The Wall Street Journal’s Neil King Jr. notes that in many of the closest races this year the Democrats have more cash on hand, and in 20 of those races “the Democrat has at least a four-to-one cash advantage over the Republican candidate.” The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee says it has nearly $17 million more to spend on key House races than its GOP counterpart. Then there are the unions: “The AFL-CIO says it will spend more than $40 million to back candidates and mobilize residents of union-member households to vote in November, overwhelmingly in support of Democrats.”

    What’s going to happen? I put the question to one of the architects of the 1994 Republican win, the conservative activist Grover Norquist, a contributor to the Contract with America, member of the Gingrich kitchen cabinet, and founder, 25 years ago, of Americans for Tax Reform. In conversations over those years, I’ve found him to be among the most insightful political observers in Washington.

    So, is this 1994 again?

    Columnist Mary Anastasia O’Grady breaks down the August jobs report and the implications for November elections. Editorial Writer Anne Jolis in London discusses a new development in the disturbing Climategate emails.

    “It could be, and it looks like it,” he said. He noted that Republicans in 1994 were not polling this well and this strongly this early.

    There are parallels, he said, between ’94 and ’10. One is determination. The Republican Party establishment sets its mind specifically to winning back the House in ’94—”before that, it had seemed impossible”—and is doing so again. Both 1994 and 2010 were preceded by striking off-year GOP victories in New Jersey and Virginia, which signaled a coming Republican wave. In 1994 the Republican theme “was not just ‘Vote against Clintonism,’ it was ‘Vote for the Contract with America.'” The Republicans are putting together a 2010 contract and plan to unveil it in late September, as they did in ’94. The first contract, says Mr. Norquist, was “not a campaign tool but a governing tool.” He remembered data that said before the ’94 election, less than 20% of voters had heard of it. But after the election the media made the contract famous. “It was a great gift to the Republicans,” he said, because it forced them into a semblance of unity by making them focus on a specific agenda.

    But there are differences between 1994 and 2010. For one, this time around “the Democrats can see what’s coming.” They didn’t see the Republican wave rising in 1994 until it was too late. “When you see something coming a mile away, you can build a ditch to keep it away.” Democrats, he says, have put aside a lot of money for negative ads in the last days of the campaign. “For a year, Democratic strategists said ‘We’ll pass health care, they’ll love us.’ ‘Recovery summer, they’ll love us.’ ‘We’ll run against Wall Street, they’ll love us.'” These “narratives” failed. “The one thing they have left is: ‘We will put together a lot of cash and run a lot of negatives ads showing why it’s not policy that counts, it’s that the Republican candidate had a DUI 10 years ago.'”

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    Outlook Dimming for Democrats
    Another difference between ’94 and ’10: “There wasn’t a Tea Party movement in ’94.” There was a Perot movement, which was “much less visible and organized.” Ross Perot backed the Republican House effort in 1994. “This time we have a thousand mini-Perots”—Tea Party leaders—”who are against the Democrats and for the Republicans.” Their rallies, Mr. Norquist says, are gaining strength.

    Republicans, he argues, must determine to stay focused, and not become distracted by issues that are not central to the campaign. “There’s the danger of getting sidetracked by shiny things,” he says, citing Arizona’s immigration law, or “the mosque in Manhattan.” These issues do not win new votes, “they only please voters you already have.” Mr. Norquist says: “Harry Reid is stapled at the forehead and the hip to Obama, and it’s hurting him. But Gingrich says the most important issue of the day is the mosque, and Reid gets new life out of it: ‘I strongly differ with the president’s statement on the mosque!’ It gives Democrats the chance to say, ‘I’m not like Obama!'”

    Another distraction: “All the time and effort turned into rehabilitating George W. Bush. His former aides are out there arguing about who should get credit for the surge. What? . . . For those who believe Bush was doing something useful and central to jam it into the middle of this election—we lost the past two elections because independents didn’t like Bush!” The rehabilitation effort loses potential votes, wins no new ones, and distracts from central themes. Mr. Norquist offers a prediction: “Watch CBS try to get Bush family and friends to do interviews to insert Bush back into the campaign the weekend before the election.”

    What should Republicans focus on? “Spending per se is a palpable issue. The central question is not only taxes or the deficit, it’s spending, and you can see this in polls. . . . There is not a Democrat who can say, ‘I was not part of the spending explosion that threatens you and your country.’ It’s the one thing they can’t defend themselves against. They don’t want to stop spending.”

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    What about high spending by Republicans in the House, in the Senate, and in the White House? That’s true, he says, but big spenders have been getting “pre-purged” in the primaries. Alaska’s Sen. Lisa Murkowski “said she’s bringing home the pork. Well, she lost.”

    Mr. Norquist sums the matter up: “The big issue, and people know this, is the explosion of federal spending that is damaging our economy and threatening our future

  157. Jan–what I meant to say (that is an Obamaism) was there needs to be a clearer signal than this. It is a point of light however (a Bushism). The elections may provide that signal.

    I thought Noonan’s analysis was too conservative. She says nothing about the Senate. I think Norquist is too cautious. Norquist is no prize. I never thought of him as one of the architects of 1994. Maybe he was. On the other hand, that may be a bit of revisionist history. Peggy is capable of that where partisan matters are concerned.

  158. Republicans have an inborn cold streak. They are grudge holders and relive what they perceive as an unforgiveable hurt…

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    I wish they were the only ones!

  159. ST-

    I did a cursory search for Rules and Regs for a Presidential Draft… and couldn’t find anything substantive. Just that usually exploratory committees are formed to test the water for both the candidate’s acknowledgment and the receptiveness of the electorate to the proposition. I think I can safely say we have a positive result answering the later question… Admin might know if anything is in the works behind the scenes…

  160. “I wish they were the only ones!”
    ________________________

    Both my parents are/were Republicans. I’m sure the Democrats didn’t earn the label as “Bleeding Hearts” by the Repubs for nothing. It’s only logical there has to be a happy medium in their somewhere that works for all the parties concerned.

  161. At worst, Hillary and Bill are able to balance the good the bad and the ugly and they don’t get hung up on one offense like it’s the end of the world and grudgeworthy.

    ======================

    Bravo.

    I remember it as a relable source that said Hillary in an interview said that the virtue she valued most was “Forgiveness”! When asked what she found it easiest to forgive, she said “Stupidity.”

    That could explain a LOT of her behavior — and her success.

  162. Its back at a huge gap again, if it is really 12 points, its going to be a slaughter.

    Generic Congressional Ballot: Republicans 48%, Democrats 36%

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot

    A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 48% of Likely Voters would vote for their district’s Republican congressional candidate, while 36% would opt for his or her Democratic opponent. The survey data was collected on the seven days ending Sunday, September 5, 2010.

    This matches the largest advantage ever measured for the Republicans. Three weeks ago, the GOP also held a 12-point lead.

    Still, while the margin has varied somewhat from week-to-week, Republicans have been consistently ahead in the Generic Ballot for over a year. During 2010, the GOP edge has never fallen below five points. When Barack Obama first took office as president of the United States, the Democrats enjoyed a seven-point lead on the Generic Ballot.

  163. Republicans have an inborn cold streak. They are grudge holders and relive what they perceive as an unforgiveable hurt…

    ==================

    I wish they were the only ones!

    ——————
    It is the same story on both sides of the aisle. And the thing that fascinates me about the contest for power is sometimes the bitterness and emnity is greater for people within the same party than for those in the opposing party. I have seen that happen in both parties now, and you never really get used to it.

  164. “there needs to be a clearer signal than this. It is a point of light however (a Bushism). The elections may provide that signal.”

    ——————

    This is what I believe as well.

  165. ShortTermer: “Dr Dejean on Facebook asked in what way were we suggesting to team up. I had requested that he checkout hillaryis44 and to say hi.”
    ________
    Mrs. Smith “I would like nothing better than having a hand in launching a draft nomination for Madame Secretary Clinton… Of course, we would have to see what Dr Dejean’s intentions are… and how far he is willing to go with the idea of beginning the historical groundswells for a Hillary draft nomination with us at Big Pink…. we should ck out his background first.”

    Hey look, we know he ran ads on his own nickel in 2008, and he’s doing it again. We should check his background? Seems to me it’s the reverse that’s in order! DeJean is in the Chicago phone directory, we know his professional address and phone number, he’s given another phone number too, and he’s communicating in his own name on Facebook. We, on the other hand, are a bunch of faceless user names who haven’t even identified ourselves to each other! So, he’s asking us how we want to join forces, and the ball is in our court, not his.

    “Youtube is probably a good way to begin… more of what he has made initially successful…”

    Youtube is nothing. There have already been Hillary 2012 videos on YouTube and only people who are like-minded watch them. DeJean’s way of hitting the broad public is better. I think we should tell him we would contribute for and participate in the making of new videos for TV, with the aim of getting an army on the ground by the end of 2011 when campaigning has to start in earnest.

    A draft movement would mean encouraging people to write in Hillary’s name in the early primaries. That can only be done by TV ads and phone banking just before the primary. That means the draft army has to be organized and motivated. If Hillary were to win again in NH, the momentum would begin.

  166. Gillerman on Possibility of Mideast Peace (9.5.10)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ig3yWB4qMo
    ———————————————
    Jan: wow! Is that guy a skillful advocate or what? What a brilliant presentation, what sophistication and nuance. He has got everybody leveraged. Great stuff. If this thing falls apart, or it it reaches some token settlement which lacks stability it will not be Israel’s fault. Logic, poetry and prose. Lets face it the guy is good.

  167. Par for the course… Obama, the unforgettable boobala:

    Oval Office rug gets history wrong

    By Jamie Stiehm
    Saturday, September 4, 2010

    A mistake has been made in the Oval Office makeover that goes beyond the beige.

    President Obama’s new presidential rug seemed beyond reproach, with quotations from Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy and the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. woven along its curved edge.

    “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” According media reports, this quote keeping Obama company on his wheat-colored carpet is from King.

    Except it’s not a King quote. The words belong to a long-gone Bostonian champion of social progress. His roots in the republic ran so deep that his grandfather commanded the Minutemen at the Battle of Lexington. For the record, Theodore Parker is your man, President Obama. Unless you’re fascinated by antebellum American reformers, you may not know of the lyrically gifted Parker, an abolitionist, Unitarian minister and Transcendentalist thinker who foresaw the end of slavery, though he did not live to see emancipation. He died at age 49 in 1860, on the eve of the Civil War.

    A century later, during the civil rights movement, King, an admirer of Parker, quoted the Bostonian’s lofty prophecy during marches and speeches. Often he’d ask in a refrain, “How long? Not long.” He would finish in a flourish: “Not long, because the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.”

    King made no secret of the author of this idea. As a Baptist preacher on the front lines of racial justice, he regarded Parker, a religious leader, as a kindred spirit.

    Yet somehow a mistake was made and magnified in our culture to the point that a New England antebellum abolitionist’s words have been enshrined in the Oval Office while attributed to a major 20th-century figure. That is a shame, because the slain civil rights leader and Nobel Peace Prize laureate was so eloquent in his own right. Obama, who is known for his rhetorical skills, is likely to feel the slight to King — and Parker.

    My investigation into this error led me to David Remnick’s biography of Obama, “The Bridge,” published this year. Early in the narrative, Remnick, the editor of the New Yorker, presents this as “Barack Obama’s favorite quotation.” It appears that neither Remnick nor Obama has traced the language to its true source.

    Parker said in 1853: “I do not pretend to understand the moral universe; the arc is a long one. . . . But from what I see I am sure it bends toward justice.”

    The president is at minimum well-served by Parker’s presence in the room. Parker embodied the early 19th-century reformer’s passionate zeal for taking on several social causes at once. Many of these reformers were Unitarians or Quakers; some were Transcendentalists. Most courageously, as early as the 1830s, they opposed the laws on slavery and eventually harbored fugitives in the Underground Railroad network of safe houses. Without 30 years of a movement agitating and petitioning for slave emancipation, Lincoln could not have ended slavery with the stroke of a pen in the midst of war. Parker was in the vanguard that laid the social and intellectual groundwork.

    The familiar quote from Lincoln woven into Obama’s rug is “government of the people, by the people and for the people,” the well-known utterance from the close of his Gettysburg Address in 1863.

    Funny that in 1850, Parker wrote, “A democracy — that is a government of all the people, by all the people, for all the people.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/03/AR2010090305100.html
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    Personally, I do not care for the color selection for the makeover of Obama’s Oval Office. For some reason, I do not associate “desert sand” colors and gold representing Patriotism and Democracy in the office of The President of the United States. I much prefer the blue rug chosen by the Clintons adorning the Oval Office with the contrasting Presidential Seal centered in the rug denoting without a doubt who and where you are visiting… Also in reviewing the O/O pictures of former presidents. I liked the drapery formality of BushI but not the washed out medium blue color chosen for the draperies. White or a Creme color with the signature Eagle embroidered in gold thread on the looped swag of the drapery and trimmed with gold fringe would be an elegant rendition of the Pride in who we are as Americans… I think it was Reagan’s draperies with the Eagles embroidered on the drapery loops that caught my eye.. and would be stunning on formal creme colored draperies as the new Oval Office decor. Creme color couches trimmed in soldier or royal blue with red throw pillows as accent pieces would complete our heritage of the red, white and blue.

  168. Honestly, I think this Iran thing scares the hell out of the Saudis. If they have any sense at all, then surely they know that their own days are numbered. I remember reading a comment by a middle east diplomat which I heard maybe forty years ago. He was chastising the west, but the comment he made is even more applicable to the House of Saud: “It is impossible for small oases of wealth to exist amid great deserts of poverty without engendering the kind of storms which decimate those oases.”

  169. jeswezey
    September 6th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    _______________________________

    jeswezey-

    1.) Hillary is not running

    2.) This is Admin’s site not ours.

    3.) It is Admin’s decision on how to handle the interaction with Mr. Dejean.

    4.) You are free to do what you want. Let us know how it’s working out.

    5.) I will wait to hear from Admin and any advise he/she might have for the near future concerning Hillary.

    Thanks for your input though-

  170. I did not read the Gerghen article. I do not trust his judgment. However, he is quite capable of parroting the party line of the Washington elites. All they really want is a headline. For the parties themselves it is a game of musical chairs, and the spoiler is not even at the table. Nevertheless there will be a big push for a deal because the west believes that they cannot confront Iran militarily unless and until they have a deal on Palestine–even an illusory one that lasts only six months. And time is working against them. China and Russia must be on board as well. Patreaus remarks on the importance of a deal are also ringing in their ears. I have been in this kind of situation in a merger situation, and it is much easier to get a headline, than a settlement which provides stablility. If you want stability you must do it in steps, and that takes time.

  171. “1.) Hillary is not running”

    I didn’t say she was… that was why I put forward the idea of a draft. As she is SoS and thus prevented from engaging in politics, and also because she intends to work out her entire full term, further because she has repeatedly said she will not run again, the only way to get her on the ballot is by “drafting” her, which means selling her as a write-in candidate in the early primaries.

    “2.) This is Admin’s site not ours.”

    True, but admin is not a general commanding troops. If he has any ideas on the subject, I’m sure we’ll be advised of them.

    “3.) It is Admin’s decision on how to handle the interaction with Mr. Dejean.”

    Ditto, ditto, ditto. He/she is not our general. It’s up to each of us, or all of us, to decide for ourselves.

    “4.) You are free to do what you want. Let us know how it’s working out.”

    Now, that’s more like it. Free to do what I want, and responsible for it. But I should think I would also be free to make suggestions here, without waiting to be organized by admin.

    “5.) I will wait to hear from Admin and any advise he/she might have for the near future concerning Hillary.”

    You are also free to do, or not do, what you want. Blogging on HillaryIs44, though, as gratifying as that may seem to you, is not going to get Hillary on the ballot. We’re just too small an outfit.

    Your concern for Hillary’s “near future” is very interesting, though. It is the one criticism I had of DeJean’s ad – its timing. He titles “Start Now”, implying that the time to get going is right away. I think he’s way off on his timing. A draft movement would start in earnest about this time next year, don’t you think?

  172. Mrs. Smith
    September 6th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
    —————–

    These were exactly the cautions I was trying to raise.

    Thank you.

  173. God almighty. I turned on that video because it says 51% approval, which we know is a bold faced lie. Next thing I know there is Gerghen all pasty faced and pensive. Just look at that shirt he is wearing. White collar and blue shirt. The only thing missing is the yellow tie. This was the official uniform of the Wall Street hustlers in the late 1980’s when the bulls were running, the cocaine was flowing and the indictments were streaming out of Rudy’s office. As we saw in the primary and as we saw again when dinner jacket was doing his version of Tianamin Square, Gerghen is a relic. It is wrong to place the entire onus on Hillary and say she must lead. She is no shrinking violet and does not need to hear that from the likes of him. If a peace deal is possible she will get to it, but let us hope it is a sound one. I am sure Saudi Arabia and Egypt are willing to provide certain guarantees, but in the end that may mean little. The scale of violence has been reduced to the street, and F-16 fighter jets are not the answer.

    peace deal is Hillary’s responsibility and she must lead. She can do what is possible and not a whit more.

  174. mj
    September 6th, 2010 at 1:08 am
    gonzotx
    September 6th, 2010 at 12:54 am

    Yes, Carter also had little experience. However, that isn’t the norm, right? And, it didn’t work out very well, did it? Though he did complete his term as governor. Look, if you want someone who can beat Obama, my point is, Sarah Palin probably is not the best candidate at this time. Why are you taking such issue with that? I do think it’s hard for governors from very small states to become presidential nominees unless they serve a long time.

    *********************
    I take issue because you repeat the BOT mantra, which of course applies only to the opposition. I like Palin, sans her stepping down from gov. That would need a mighty
    big explanation for me personally. Trust issue. I have to know I can trust someone no matter how rough it gets. She seems to be such a fighter. It made no sense to me.

  175. Ok, he really has lost it. He’s in schizo paranoid territory. Mental meltdown alert.

    Obama : They talk about me like a dog (CNN)

    “Some powerful interests who had been dominating the agenda in Washington for a very long time and they’re not always happy with me. They talk about me like a dog. That’s not in my prepared remarks, but it’s true,” he told a crowd largely consisting of union members.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/06/obama-they-talk-about-me-like-a-dog/

  176. Mrs. Smith, I had no idea…my dad cut the satelitte lines, so I’ve haven’t had TV since yesterday. I wonder what the projected landfall is??

    I been so busy this weekend I barely had time to check in here…but its a must everyday at least for a few minutes….

  177. MOP, Looks like his not taking his meds regularly again…poor baby…welcome to Hillary’s world. I hope he enjoys his time in the doghouse, as he had fun putting Hillary in there regularly in 08′.

  178. “Bros before Hoes”, yep, its all comning back, everything that was done to democrats BY other democrats.

    I hope the entire party gets a whopping like nothing else this november.

    I am going to have such satisfaction voting against every damn dem this november.

  179. Hezbollah places 15,000 rockets on border with Israel: Oren

    WASHINGTON — Israel’s ambassador to Washington, Michael Oren, warned Friday that Hezbollah has placed around 15,000 rockets along Lebanon’s border with Israel, including some that could hit southern Eilat.

    “The Syrian-Iranian backed Hezbollah poses a very serious threat to Israel,” Oren said in a conference call focused mainly on the new direct Palestinian-Israeli peace negotiations.

    “Hezbollah today now has four times as many rockets as it had during the 2006 Lebanon war. These rockets are longer-range. Every city in Israel is within range right now, including Eilat,” he said.

    The Red Sea resort of Eilat is the most southern point in Israel.

    He said the rockets also have bigger payloads and are “far more accurate” than those fired four years ago.

    “In 2006, many of their missiles were basically out in the open, in silos and the Israeli air force was able to neutralize a great number of them,” Oren said.

    “Today those same missiles have been placed under hospitals, and homes and schools because Hezbollah knows full well if we try to defend ourselves against them, we will be branded once again as war criminals,” he added.

    He said Israel is watching the situation with Hezbollah, a Shiite Muslim fundamentalist movement, “very vigilantly” because it is of great concern to the Jewish state.

    “We know Hezbollah has in violation of UN resolutions once again penetrated southern Lebanon, transformed entire villages into armed camps and put in about 15,000 rockets along the Israeli border,” he said.

    Israel has already said Hezbollah has a total arsenal of 40,000 rockets.

    In the summer of 2006, Hezbollah fired more than 4,000 rockets at northern Israel during a conflict with the Jewish state, paralyzing the region for 34 days and forcing a million Israelis to hide in shelters or flee to cities in the south.

    More than 1,200 Lebanese, mainly civilians, and 160 Israelis, mainly soldiers, were killed during the 2006 war.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iHJ2MXyr17VyP0plaqXf37TdGRyQ

  180. I remember there were 2 things that made my wife cry over politics in 2008.

    first seeing those “Bros before hoes” t-shirts in reference to Hillary
    second seeing those “Sarah Palin is a C**t” t-shirts in reference to Sarah

  181. moon, Jeebus he is such a whiny-assed titty baby. Hell, they accused the Clintons of MURDER,and DRUG RUNNING but you didn’t hear Bill sniffling about it all the time, running to the press crying that people talked mean about him.

    I despised Bush, but I will say one thing for him. I didn’t hear him standing up as PRESIDENT of the freaking UNITED STATES and directly addressing Olbermann, Maddow, and his other critics, or having his press secretary do so. Bush never talked about all the really bad stuff said about him – he treated it as below the dignity of the office. Which is, in my mind, how a president should behave.

    No, you’re not a dog, Bambi. You are a petulant whiny selfish child, who has accomplished the impossible: making Bush look dignified and presidential in comparison. And that’s some feat, believe me.

  182. I hope look at that if they ever see it and think, what a total whiny wimp, how can this guy run a country, a war, when all he gives a shit about is his whiny little self.

    It takes pathetic to a whole new level.

  183. Oh MOP, I’m sorry, there really funny. The one I posted is “I’m pretty good at drinking beer”. The guy doesn’t like work….just drinking beer and having fun….thats Obama with his 27 vacations, HUH?

  184. No what really infuriated me was the middle finger bird he gave her several times and the Obots lapped it up, that told me everything i needed to know right then and there.

    Well, he’s gonna get the bird in Nov and all of you need to give one big middle finger salute come the night of Nov 2nd.

    We gonna have fun that night guys, i expect you all to be here.

  185. has the man ever held a job? I really don’t think so, I think the reason he didn’t work as a corporate lawyer is because no one wanted to hire an idiot like him.

    Also, being an editor of Harvard Law review and not having one single publication? I have asked some collegues of mine, who are lawyers, and they said that is very rare.

    The only thing this idiot has “written” are autobiographies, and there are rumors he didn’t even write those. But not one single policy paper, no opinion papers on anything.

  186. By the way I’m ashamed Obama is putting himself in the same category as dogs, my dogs have lodged a protest with me and i have since apologised to both my dogs and told them not be upset that they are being associated with something that vile.

  187. I’m surprised I haven’t received any more requests from the DNC for donations (has anyone else?), I mean I am no longer a registered dem, but still, I have given them a lot of money in the past, guess they are using all that money for their triage now.

  188. Got a Zogby online survey today that had a lot of questions re-Obama’s job performance and one very interesting question: If there is a Dem Presidential Primary in 2012 and it’s Obama and Clinton, who would you vote for???

  189. So if Obama is a dog, does that make Michelle a B………………….

    Sorry i could resist, it just flew right out of my brain. Well its technically what you call a female dog.

  190. confloyd
    September 6th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    me too. I had forgotten about that one. There were a couple others that infuriated my wife, something along the lines of “its that time of the month” or something along those line, in reference to Hillary.

    and then Sarah Palin was called “mccain’s monkey” or something like that.

  191. Obama: Hey, I’ve Got An Exciting New Idea To Fix The Economy: More Public Works Spending!
    —DrewM.

    “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”-Albert Einstein.

    Behold Barack “$800 Billion Plus Stimulus” Obama.

    President Barack Obama is asking Congress to approve at least $50 billion in long-term investments in the nation’s roads, railways and runways in a pre-election effort to show he’s trying to stimulate the sputtering economy.
    …The officials said the initial $50 billion would be the beginning of a six-year program of transportation improvements, but they did not give an overall figure. The proposal has a longer-range focus than last year’s economic stimulus bill, which was more targeted on immediate job creation.

    The goals of the infrastructure plan include: rebuilding 150,000 miles of roads; constructing and maintaining 4,000 miles of railways, enough to go coast-to-coast; shorter, high speed rail projects; and rehabilitating or reconstructing 150 miles of airport runways, while also installing a next generation air navigation system designed to reduce travel times and delays.

    Oh, I see it’s totally different than the $800 Billion we flushed down the toilet last year because, it’s, um, different. Yeah, that’s it. Don’t believe them? Clearly you’re a racist.

    Obama’s pitch for even more spending is part of a Labor Day event in Milwaukee, so it’s pretty clear he’s just trying to buy Democratic labor votes with our money. Do you think we’ll at least get a nice thank you card?

    No word yet on how those crazy anti-spending teabaggers congressional Democrats will react.

  192. Here is an excerpt from a longer piece by Somerby excoriating his the left for not taking on the press. When I read the piece I thought immediately of young journalists like David Sirotta who pose as spokesman for the left but are in fact more interested in their own careers. The left needs to take on the press for their blind support of Obama. And nowhere is this more evident than in that phony CNN poll claiming that 51% believe that Obama has kept his campaign promises. There had to have been set up questions before they popped that one on the public and you can be sure they were leading, suggestive and chalk full of half truths. No rational person could reach that conclusion if all the facts were placed in front of them and you and I could devise some questions of our own which would produce a result where 29% of the public would say Obama has kept his promises. And no one knows that Obama is in material breach of his campaign promises better than honest members of the left, people who hold views different perhaps from my own, but ones that I can respect based on a difference in life experiences. Simply put, the left needs to hold the press accountable for its blind dogmatic support for Obama, and until they do, they will lose their self respect and elections. Well, anyway, here is Somerby at Daily Howler:

    “For ourselves, we’ve finally come to see something in the past month or so; our side is deeply, terminally resistant to the task of challenging the mainstream press corps about the types of issues discussed here. We don’t know why individuals act as they do, but the larger conflicts of interest are clear. (By the way: Alterman has often criticized the mainstream press; for one example from April, click here. We strongly recommended What Liberal Media? and we strongly do so again.) The (lucrative) careers of career liberal writers typically move through the very press organs which produced the conduct Peretz is describing; to all appearances, most young career liberals have no intention of blowing those future careers with accurate and sustained descriptions of the way the modern press really works. When it comes to the mainstream press, the other side pushes and pushes and pushes until some larger force makes them stop; after Dan Rather’s egregious blunder in Campaign 04, for example, we had to watch them revisit imagined acts of “liberal bias” dating all the way back to the 1970s. But our side has long refused to fight. As a general matter, we’d have to guess that the reason for that lack of fight—that lack of honesty—has long been abundantly clear.”

  193. Confloyd..

    I’ll do an update on Hermine for you in a few minutes…
    ___________________________

    moononpluto
    September 6th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Obama is feeling something strange. He doesn’t know what is causing it and doesn’t know how to deal with it. He’s feeling abandoned and floundering trying to get a grip on what is making him feel this way. He can’t. The elites are letting him down easy. There aren’t any plan in the hopper for his reelection. His crew, Plouffe and Axelrod know something is amiss…. They are downright scared and are at a loss at what this uncertainty is all about.. Meanwhile the elites sit and wait- waiting for Obama to figure it out for himself or get so frustrated he threatens to quit which will bring about applause and the passing out of cigars…

    I don’t feel sorry for him at all. He knew he had to rob Hillary of what was rightfully hers and he went along with it… Throwing epithets of racism at two of the greatest Americans on this earth. pffttt on him!

  194. http://40seats.com/

    September 06, 2010
    There’s a Contested House Race Near You [someone]
    —Open Blogger

    Ace may be waiting for a better-organized data set, but the folks at 40 Seats have identified 80-90 incumbent Democrats that can be had in November and put ’em on a nice map. So click over and see what’s in play in your neighborhood.

    The site still doesn’t have much info on the GOP challengers, but it’s a good place to see what you can do locally. You may be surprised: there’s a swing seat even within New York City.

  195. moononpluto,

    I caught about 10 seconds of Squat’s speech and he sounded and looked deranged! What a friggin’ moron. He and his sleeve-challenged wife are gutterswipe of the worst sort.

    On some site I saw a billboard of him with the caption: “Embarrassed you voted him in, yet?”

  196. Mrs. Smith
    September 6th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
    ShortTermer
    September 6th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    [snip]
    The time is right.. imo.. we either go forward or go home. It’s entirely up to Admin to advise us… [snip]
    ________________________________________________________________________
    Mrs. Smith, since Admin asked for Dr Dejean’s email, I assumed (I know, I know) that there would be dialog. I am so ready to go forward instead of just bellyache on blogs. And if I can not go forward, then I will go home. You are correct about it being entirely up to Admin.

  197. Confloyd:

    The Storm headed towards Texas is scheduled to make landfall tonight. Hermine, the eighth named storm of the Atlantic hurricane season, formed in the southwestern Gulf of Mexico overnight and picked up steam this morning. It had maximum sustained winds of about 60 mph and was moving north-northwest at 15 mph, the National Hurricane Center said in its 5 p.m. EDT update. The storm was about 100 miles south-southeast of Brownsville, Texas. A hurricane watch stretched from Rio San Fernando, Mexico, north to Texas’ Baffin Bay, near Corpus Christi, and a tropical storm warning is in effect for La Cruz, Mexico, to Port Connor, Texas.

    “It is possible this storm could become a hurricane just before landfall,” said Dennis Feltgen, a spokesman for the hurricane center in Miami. “Given the uncertainty, it’s wise to let folks know this could become a hurricane, hence the hurricane watch.”

    Keep this link to the National Weather Service for updates:

    http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT5+shtml/061732.shtml?

  198. ShortTermer
    September 6th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    “Mrs. Smith, since Admin asked for Dr Dejean’s email, I assumed (I know, I know) that there would be dialog. I am so ready to go forward instead of just bellyache on blogs. And if I can not go forward, then I will go home. You are correct about it being entirely up to Admin.”
    __________________________________

    Thanks, ShortTermer. Whatever Admin wants to do is fine with me. I will rely on their expertise for getting us organized and in the flow. I can’t imagine Hillary going forward without us… The timing is right. Chelsea is all set. She inherited all those brothers and sisters (from Marc’s family) who will man the battle stations and keep a pulse on everything going on… and the perfect inlaws… all familar with the political game… Bill must be so happy with Chelsea. She did good… and of course they have us… the Bold and the Beautiful to help where help is needed.

  199. Some additional memorable moments to me were:
    -The Won coming onstage to the music of JayZ’s “I got 99 problems, but a b!tch ain’t one.”
    -The Won’s One saying that “for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am proud of my country.”
    -in the debates, the questions were posed to our Hillary first, and The Won would state, “yeah, what she said.”
    -the KFC sign in the window: Hillary Special: two small breasts, two large thighs, and one left wing
    -and I agree with the Bros before Hos signs and shirts, and the middle finger
    -a Che poster in one of The Won’s political headquarters
    -finally getting a puppy and naming it his initials, or otherwise he named it how he smells
    -using all forms of misogyny against our Hillary and us; and then Palin and us, especially the c-nt, wh-re, and similar words

    But the worst blunder of all was the statement The Won made in reference to the Daniel Pearl beheading…..”…it captured our imagination…” This was the lowest and most dispicable muslim/islamist/jihadist leaning statement of all.

  200. ShortTermer
    September 6th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Some additional memorable moments to me
    _________________________

    Whoa- I remember everything on your list.

    The Daniel Pearl crack was an all time low. Everything is catching up with him all at one time. I wonder how he is going to handle it when it finally dawns on him, he is no longer needed… What is he going to do? Leave gracefully or go kicking and screaming?

  201. Video of Obama’s attack on our loving furry friends:

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/pres-obama-on-dc-opponents-%E2%80%9Cthey-talk-about-me-like-a-dog%E2%80%9D/

    President Barack Obama came out swinging in Wisconsin today in a speech that, while making clear references to policy and future plans, didn’t shy away from tackling the opposition. The day’s soundbite, however, wasn’t aimed at the Tea Party, the Republicans, or any political group in general, but at “powerful interests” who “talk about me like a dog.”

    The comment was in reference to his accomplishments as president, specifically to financial reform and the hurdles he found while trying to get it passed in Congress:

    “I wanted to be stronger than it was before. And over the past two years, that’s meant taking on some powerful interests. Some powerful interests that have been setting the agenda in Washington for a long time, and they’re not always happy with me. They talk about me like a dog. That’s not in my prepared remarks, but it’s true.”

    A Barack Obama that says things that aren’t written in his prepared remarks? Who in 2008 would have expected that?

    The clip below, and a full analysis of the speech here.

  202. Dogs dominate today’s news giving the “Dog days ofSsummer” new meaning:

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/jerry-lewis-and-his-chihuahua-share-a-long-kiss-on-his-telethon/

    This is the most romantic moment we’ve seen on television in a long time, once you get over the fact that half of the participants aren’t human. On Jerry Lewis’s most recent telethon to fight muscular dystrophy, Lewis shared some screen time with Paul, his chihuahua, who is trained to sing “Madame Butterfly,” but was in a more loving mood than to sing that night.

    It’s difficult to come up with an introduction that does this video justice, as it’s simultaneously adorable but, due to the length and level of passion with which this exchange goes on, also a bit uncomfortable. That said, it’s perfect viral material, if you can resist the looming question marks and embrace the cute:

  203. Wow, The powerful interests talk about him like a dog….those are the people who make Presidents! LaRouche was right when he said Obama is gone…they are just trying to figure out how…well impeachment works for me, LOL! He should just resign so he can go with his held high and some respect…he likes vacationing so much better…why don’t he just throw in the towel???

  204. Sure they are talking about him like he’s a dog…he’s lying out his rear…they love him…they are getting rich, just like they did when Bush was in. He’s grinning ear to ear when he says that…lying comes so natural to him.

  205. Jerry seemed in good spirits this yr…looks so much better than the past few yrs. The man deserves enormous prause for the work he does for his kids. As for the dog, myn 1o yr old Shi Tzu, Monster, exhibits similar behavior which the wife finds a bit distressing.

  206. “Powerful interests that talk about me like a dog.”
    ————————————————
    Pure gibberish. Paranoia, guilt and delusion. Reminds me of an old Texas saying: “There is trouble between them ears”.

  207. He titles “Start Now”, implying that the time to get going is right away. I think he’s way off on his timing. A draft movement would start in earnest about this time next year, don’t you think?

    =======================

    Imo this is a fine time!

    The elites are praising Hillary and talking about her as VP. This is a momentum we can ride — and take a step further. People are thinking about national politics because of the midterms coming up. Let’s suggest writing her in on every ballot in every midterm! That should get some coverage.

  208. Mrs. Smith
    September 6th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
    ——————————
    That is a great video. The dog is a golden retriever and Obama is a retriever of gold in the form of campaign contributions. Money men are his dance partners and as always he lets them lead. But now he is stepping on their toes. And once that happens they need to retire him from the dance floor before everyone starts to look like they don’t know what they are doing.

  209. I like Palin, sans her stepping down from gov. That would need a mighty
    big explanation for me personally.

    ===================

    I’m not sure, but you might look at Palin’s history. Once in the past she walked out in the middle of a term (on an Alaska ethics commission) — as a protest. That seems to have worked out for her. 😉

    That time she was protesting unethical behavior by someone else on the commission. This time it was her response to harrssment, nuisance lawsuits.

    I don’t know all the details of course. We might look at what she did between the ethics resignation and her next office.

  210. Sorry, but I think this was incorrect. Obama attended a private party and later someone said that song was in the playlist. No walking on a public stage.

    [[ -The Won coming onstage to the music of JayZ’s “I got 99 problems, but a b!tch ain’t one.” ]]

  211. That time she was protesting unethical behavior by someone else on the commission. This time it was her response to harrssment, nuisance lawsuits.

    I don’t know all the details of course. We might look at what she did between the ethics resignation and her next office.

    _______________

    I bought her explanation for quitting as governor. She had a great number of vexatious lawsuits and this would hamper her ability to work and would have been very time-consuming. Also, the people (or she) would have to pay an enormous amount of money for her defence – which she did not have at the time. I think it takes a certain integrity to walk away when trouble-makers get in the way of your doing the job you prommised the people you would and could do. It is not a similar case to being president where you have any number of administrative people to handle criticism and field questions. You have an entire justice department to handle things. I admire someone who puts the well-being of others before herself at times. I’m not sure I said this well, but I would have done the same as Palin and walked away. Her continuing on as Governor after her failed Vice-Presidential bid, in my opinion, would be a no-win situation for Alaskans. To many people were gunning for her.

  212. wbboei
    September 6th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
    Mrs. Smith
    September 6th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
    ——————————
    That is a great video. The dog is a golden retriever and Obama is a retriever of gold in the form of campaign contributions.
    ___________________________

    Good catch, wbb- nice play on words.
    __________________

    jeswezey

    When Admin gives us the go ahead, I’m all in- Hopefully, we will all meet up someday crossing paths in our travels getting Hillary installed in the WH as the next president. I’m saving my pennies, starting back on the treadmill now that my arm is healing (still w/numbness) and basically gearing up for the final battle.

  213. I would have done the same as Palin and walked away. Her continuing on as Governor after her failed Vice-Presidential bid, in my opinion, would be a no-win situation for Alaskans. To many people were gunning for her.

    ====================

    I’m not sure how many it took. My impression was just a few spiteful people. Perhaps, istr, there was a new law making it easier to file charges against the Governor — so easy that it invited harassment, and had not yet been vetted for potential for abuse. (Maybe Palin had worked to get that law in?)

    Getting some things set up and then leaving it to a trusted Lt Gov to carry on, may have been good enough.

    Overall I agree with you! Though it seems like a change of focus after the solid, wonky job she did as Gov.

  214. I’m not sure how many it took. My impression was just a few spiteful people. Perhaps, istr, there was a new law making it easier to file charges against the Governor — so easy that it invited harassment, and had not yet been vetted for potential for abuse. (Maybe Palin had worked to get that law in?)

    Getting some things set up and then leaving it to a trusted Lt Gov to carry on, may have been good enough.

    Overall I agree with you! Though it seems like a change of focus after the solid, wonky job she did as Gov.
    _______________

    Yes, but when she was acting governor she wasn’t being continually harassed. Now it is constant harassment. By the way she was cleared of every ethical violation, but it is still distracting. I mean, just the other day, the man who is writing the book about her moved back to the mainland, but while reseaching for a book about her he rented a house next door. I can’t imagine being more in-your-face than that. I think she is the only woman who has been continually attacked, except for Hillary who may have been more so but I’m not sure. Hillary has been attacked for years but never had the top job (like Palin) and could ignore it, but Palin had to answer to her people every day. I don’t know how either one of them puts up with it. I would never underestimate the attacks on Hillary but she was in the White House and the Senate and now the Cabinet, so the running of government never completely depended on her. If she ever decided to run as President, even there the mechanisms are put in place to live with the criticism.

  215. Sorry, I didn`t mean “acting governor“ – I meant doing the jof as governor before running as VP as opposed to after.

  216. turndownobama:On 14 Jan 2008 Huffington Post and the NY Post wrote an article http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/14/at-obama-victory-event-ca_n_81356.html who got it from http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/item_Yj3GsDqpHDEZo54FZp61EP;jsessionid=3EE90FF3CADB9BFAC495BA02007EB341
    ____________________________________________________________________________

    PRESIDENTIAL hopeful Barack Obama claims to run a clean campaign, but someone in his camp took a swipe at Hillary Clintonthrough the candidate’s theme song.

    As Obama and his wife, Michelle, strolled triumphantly into his victory party in Des Moines, Iowa, on Jan. 3, Jay-Z’s “99 Problems” was blaring. In it, Jay raps, “I got 99 problems, but a bitch ain’t one.”

    Some listeners took it as a not-so-sly reference to Hillary.

    “We didn’t know he used that,” a shocked Clinton spokesperson said.

    Obama has no problem admitting he’s a rap fan.

    “I tell you what, I can tell you the kinds of stuff I love dancing to . . . I’m sort of the generation of Stevie Wonder and Earth, Wind and Fire,” he told CNN on the campaign trail. “But I’m sort of hip to the younger stuff. You know, like Beyoncé’s ‘Crazy in Love.’ That’s a good song to dance to. Eminem . . . although he curses sometimes.”

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/item_Yj3GsDqpHDEZo54FZp61EP;jsessionid=3EE90FF3CADB9BFAC495BA02007EB341#ixzz0yoVc0F4x

  217. Sorry, I didn`t mean “acting governor“ – I meant doing the jof as governor before running as VP as opposed to after.

    ===============

    Yes. I suppose there were always a few spiteful people after her for hometown vendettas and because she came as a reformer getting rid of the old guard.

    But sfaik the strong attacks began only after she got in ta-da Obama’s way by being nominated for vp.

  218. In reference to The Won saying they have been talking about him like a dog, as my mother used to say a hit dog ALWAYS barks.

  219. But sfaik the strong attacks began only after she got in ta-da Obama’s way by being nominated for vp.
    ________________

    Yes, they attacked her from every angle and continue to do so but now she found a way to make a difference in spite of them. She just gives a dig back from time to time – unless they attack her children and then she goes after them big time – like David Letterman – who did apologize.

  220. Admin:

    Tonight, I stumbled across Obama’s Nomination acceptance speech. Such lofty words and promises and as we know all too well today- Our country hasn’t moved an iota in any constructive direction since Obama took office. Obama has America on the ropes as a stranded beached whale unable to get off the sandbar. This great country put there by the greed of the politicians we elected.

    A forensic analysis of his acceptance speech is the best measurement by which he condemns himself to owning his words by either resigning at his earliest convenience or declaring he will not seek a second term. By his own measurement of accomplishments, he has fallen far short of the goals he set for himself if elected.

    It is a lengthy video… 45+ minutes… The BS starts flying almost into blinding obliteration at mins 13.25..

  221. I loved the newscasters tonight. President O revealed his plan for the economy. Then they cut to his speech, where he is really saying nothing specific, and then someone else states he wants stimulus for railroads, and roads. I just don’t think he or anyone in his staff know the meaning of specific. He spent most of his time making fun of the Reps. What a good way to reach across the aisle, since nothing will be done until after the Nov elections. You would think he might consider toning it down, as he will need their votes to get this through. Even the commentator took a swipe at him, say that nothing of this plan will happen soon, and the only thing he has to offer for the Nov elections is HOPE.

    I wonder how that will work.

  222. Looking increasingly likely Bellwether Ohio is going to be a tsunami over the Dems.

    http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/09/06/labor-day-surge-republicans-bellwether-ohio

    Voters in Ohio are angry. Unemployment is 9th worst in the nation and has hovered over 10% all year.

    Labor argues that in this 2010 midterm election the anger is best directed at the Bush administration for what the left calls “failed GOP policies of the past.” Polls in Ohio and nationwide however suggest the anger is being aimed at Democrats.

    The governorship of Ohio is a highly prized political office and both parties pour millions into controlling it – particularly in advance of presidential campaigns.

    Incumbent governors routinely have their states strongest political machines and that is the case with Ohio Democrat Ted Strickland.

    However Strickland trails GOP challenger and former congressman John Kasich by 12 points in the latest Columbus Dispatch poll conducted just before Labor Day by mail.

    Pre-Labor Day polls are fickle but snail-mail polls take time and effort and tend to be taken by serious voters.

    Strickland has a formidable Ohio machine, and he is aggressively working on early voting to bank as many ballots in advance as his best hope of survival.

    But the Dispatch Poll indicates by a 3-1 margin, GOP voters are more motivated than Democrats.Strickland’s current lieutenant governor, Lee Fisher is leaving the statehouse to seek the U.S. Senate, but Fisher trails by 13 percent behind popular former congressman and Bush administration official Rob Portman.

    Several incumbent House Democrats are also in trouble. In the Buckeye State’s first congressional district (Cincinnati), Democratic freshman Steve Driehaus is in a rematch against former Republican Congressman Steve Chabot. Driehaus beat Chabot in 2008. Before that Chabot, who won the seat in the 1994 GOP revolution, had held it for 14 years. Chabot is now favored to return to D.C. and pickup the seat for the GOP.

    In Ohio’s 15th congressional district (Columbus) freshman Democrat Mary Jo Kilroy is also facing a rematch and in trouble. Republican state Senator Steve Stivers, a lieutenant colonel in the Ohio National Guard, served a tour of duty in Iraq prior to 2005. In 2008 Stivers won the GOP nomination but lost, this time he’s favored.

    In the 16th district (Canton) incumbent Democrat John Boccieri is also in trouble, facing Republican businessman and former Wadsworth mayor Jim Renacci.

    All three House Democrats are under fire for their votes on health care reform, financial regulation, stimulus spending and the Obama agenda. Labor may want voters to blame the Bush administration for what it DID…but polls say voters are unhappy about what the Obama administration is DOING.

  223. CNN Poll: GOP up 46 to 43 percent over Democrats on economy

    http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/09/07/pol.economy.poll.hfr/#fbid=X7HzoClAL4q&wom=false

    Washington (CNN) — Republicans have a slight edge over Democrats on the economy, according to a new national poll.

    A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Tuesday indicates that 46 percent of Americans say that Republicans in Congress would do a better job dealing with the economy, with 43 percent saying that Congressional Democrats would do a better job on the top issue on the minds of Americans. The GOP’s three point advantage is within the poll’s sampling error.

    The Republicans three point edge is a big shift from last year, when the Democrats held a 52 to 39 percent advantage. The GOP leads 51 to 32 percent on the economy among Independents, and they have a nine point advantage on the issue among voters 65 and older.

    According to the poll, Republicans have a slight three-point edge over the Democrats on taxes and a six-point advantage on tacking the federal budget deficit. The GOP holds a larger 20-point lead on dealing with terrorism and an 18-point advantage on illegal immigration. Republicans have a three-point advantage on the war in Afghanistan.

    “Democrats have slightly better numbers than the Republicans on just two issues — Social Security and health care — and on both of them, that gap is extremely small,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. “That’s bad news for the Democrats, who in past elections have had large leads over the GOP on those domestic issues.”

    The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll was conducted September 1 and September 2, with 1,024 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey’s overall sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points.

    ………………………….

    and this is CNN’s pollster, so its probably worse.

  224. and this is CNN’s pollster, so its probably worse
    ———————————————-
    They are part of the Obama Administration. If we had the time I could prove it. There are zero degrees of separation. It started in the eve of the primary when CNN brought in trained marketing experts into its operation to attach words like polarizing to Hillary and to repeat them with the same regularity and frequency as the infamous words weapons of mass destruction. That is when it started, but of course the planning commenced prior to that time. It was replicated by the other properties of their parent organization Time Warner–specifically AOL and Time Magazine. No one yet has revealed the full extent of the conspiracy, but it will trickle out as time goes on just as the jurnolister conspiracy was in the recent past. And when it does, well then it will come to be understood for what it is–not some wild eyed conspiracy at all, but a business plan to defraud the American People. No harm in that surely–unless you object to the perversion of democracy and the destruction of your country by an idiot who stole the presidency and thinks powerful interests treat him like a dog. Say good night Johnny–I mean Obama. All we need now is a vaudville hook.

  225. The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation
    ————————————
    This is not the first time this Keating Holland has produced an outlier poll. Again its the old actuarial joke what is 2+2? Whatever you want it to be. The devil is in the demographic he polls, the failure to focus on likely voters, and the fact that his employer hires him to produce polling results to drive their pro Obama narrative. In essence, this character backs into the numbers that CNN wants to serve its business plan. I will bet you his fellow pollsters know this better than we do. The problem is they do not criticize each other. If I wanted to run an accurate poll, I would not let a whore like Keating Holland within 100 miles of it.

  226. I have got to tell you I am fascinated by that offhand comment that powerful interests talk about me like a dog. What you see in that comment is traces of self pity, paranoia and a flight from reality. It is a revealing comment to say the least. It is more evidence that he is a sociopath. A healthy mind would not say something like that. An unhealthy one might and indeed did.

  227. wbboei and when his mind thinks he is a dog, then the mind is letting its true self reveal. He himself thinks he’s a dog, a total mess.

    Psyche majors would have a field day with this guy.

  228. “by that offhand comment that powerful interests talk about me like a dog. What you see in that comment is traces of self pity, paranoia and a flight from reality.”
    ________________________________

    It is interesting in that Obama used the word ‘dog’ as a Middle Easterner would when casting a pejorative against himself as he did or another person in a derogatory manner. Certainly not an adjective common to Americans we use when demonstrating pity or as something negative. Red blooded Americans long ago designated their dogs as Man’s Best Friend. Could be some of the countries Obama is familar with see dogs as a happy meal when things get desperate

  229. The polling is going to get stranger and stranger. The bandwagon effect has already taken off and now they are trying to force it back using polling since Obama’s messaging is heading off in the wrong direction. I think Scott Rassmussen is essentially correct that this is the third election in a row where the voters are rejecting the party in power. 2006 and 2008 were about Bush and a too Republican Congress. 2010 is about Obama continuing the looting and a compliant and cowardly corporate Dem Congress. If this election does not convince Democratic leaders that they have to get with the program nothing will. The voters do not want the Republicans either. I see it kind of like chemo and radiation for cancer. You do not want it but doing nothing means you are dead. The Democrats are facing chemo. If it doesn’t kill them they will start getting better. But first the bad stuff needs to be removed.

  230. MoonOnPluto, that is a Dispatch poll and those tend to be a very accurate reflection of the Ohio electorate. In the last paragraph of the analysis however, the Dispatch fails to note the Cap and Trade legislation the Dimocrats in the House voted for (which did not pass the Senate) and would have hurt Ohio.

  231. On the ABC morning program George had Donna and Mary. Donna is telling the Dems they need to bring forward all of the things they have done. Yes, that is the same tired propaganda I am hearing at the local level. If you have REALLY done something, believe me, people will know. Mary gave her analysis of the Dog comment. She said the President is whinning. I have to agree with Mary. He whines all the time about everthing. He wanted this job sooooo bad, and now everyone is picking on him.

  232. Mormaer, the Rolling Stones said it quite well:

    http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/SALT-OF-THE-EARTH-lyrics-The-Rolling-Stones/6F9758ADF0411FF34825689A0027DF0B

    Raise your glass to the hard working people
    Let’s drink to the uncounted heads
    Let’s think of the wavering millions
    Who need leading but get gamblers instead

    Spare a thought for the stay-at-home voter
    His empty eyes gaze at strange beauty shows
    And a parade of the gray suited grafters
    A choice of cancer or polio

  233. I don’t believe we can wait for the party insiders to do the right thing. A huge populist movement to draft Hillary will not be ignored just as the party insiders could not destroy the tea party movement.

  234. NOW OFFICIAL: OBAMA DABBLES IN HIS JOB WHILE BEING OVERLY FOCUSED ON RECREATION

    onpar.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/golfers-welcome-president-obamas-participation/?ref=golf

    While the NY Times headline from yesterday puts the most optimistic spin on it, with headline, “Golfers Welcome President Obama’s Participation”, the details contained within the article expose just the opposite.

    For instance, Tiger Woods knows that he needs to refocus on his job as a golf pro, and implies that the president should focus on HIS job:

    When the subject was what advice he would give Obama, Woods replied: “Stay in balance.” Asked if that was a political statement or one about golf, Woods smiled and walked away.

    Other revealing quotes include:

    “…, I bet he can’t wait to get to the golf course to clear his head,” said Davis Love.

    “If he’s playing that much,…”

  235. wbboei and when his mind thinks he is a dog, then the mind is letting its true self reveal. He himself thinks he’s a dog, a total mess.
    —————————-
    Moon: my exposure to psychiatry is confined to a single incident. I once dated the receptionist for a reputable psychiatrist on the upper East side of Manhattan. We went to see Jackie Mason at a theater near Schubert alley. In other words, I have more experience in psychiatry than candidate Obama had in an executive role. And based on that experience I feel quite comfortable rendering a medical opinion about his state of mind.

    The evidence suggests that Obama is struggling with serious abandonment issues. His father deserted him and his mother was a much married libertine. Therefore, he seeks reassurance and reinforcement from those around him who are superior in position, status or income. This explains his attraction to money men, and sports figures. At the same time, he has no use for those who he regards as lower in status. They become targets for his inner hostility and arrogance.

    Therefore, when he claims in an unguarded moment that powerful interests talk about him like a dog, inevitably he comes to see himself as they see him–as a dog. Oh wud some pow’r the giftie gee us–to see oursels as others see us. And it Burns, as in Robert.

    Personally, if he wants to see himself as a dog, that is his business. He can get down on all fours and parade across the room if that makes him happy. He can howl at the moon if that makes him happy. Where I draw the line is in toilet training. I cannot accept the idea that he has a right to get all pissy, to relieve himself on our leg and try to tell us that it is raining. The dog defense does not do it, where that is concerned.

  236. admin
    September 7th, 2010 at 9:30 am
    &&&&&

    That is one of my favorite Stones song, from one of their strongest albums (“Beggar’s Banqute”).

  237. mop: are you still there?
    ————–
    Gov. Chris Christie’s (R NJ)Take – Video – FoxNews.com
    [take on O’s latest plan; brief transcript = my notes on video]

    I think we are seeing the failure of the original plan….
    Business leaders never know what’s going to come out of Washington…
    You need to talk to people like adults
    I’m not going to tell the president what he should do
    Education: you have to reform the system and make it less expensive
    h t t p://video.foxnews.com/v/4330833/gov-chris-christies-take/

  238. henry
    September 4th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
    wbboei
    Doing a little research on intentional torts.
    Intent and verifiable damage seem to be the issues.
    Newspapers have been successfully sued in the past for providing intentionally misleading and damaging info. How can google be exempt? From what I have read it is the perception of the company that is the issue, Google yahoo and msn all place unverified ap stories on their home pages there by acting as de facto news organizations. manipulation of information holds them up to a standard involving public trust. Seems likea lot of manipulation has happened and the little boy wonders screwed up by posting prominently and regularly news from the ap.
    —————————————————————-
    Henry: this is the problem:

    New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964),[1] was a United States Supreme Court case which established the actual malice standard which has to be met before press reports about public officials or public figures can be considered to be defamation and libel; and hence allowed free reporting of the civil rights campaigns in the southern United States. It is one of the key decisions supporting the freedom of the press. The actual malice standard requires that the plaintiff in a defamation or libel case prove that the publisher of the statement in question knew that the statement was false or acted in reckless disregard of its truth or falsity. Because of the extremely high burden of proof on the plaintiff, and the difficulty in proving essentially what is inside a person’s head, such cases—when they involve public figures—rarely prevail.

    I knew a former US Attorney who sued a Gannet Publication for defamation. He prevailed at the district court level, lost at the appellate level and won at the state supreme court level. But that is rare. He was a public figure. As far as I am concerned the Supreme Court went too far in that decision. I believe they were influenced in no small part by a desire to protect their civil rights agenda and their media allies. At the time the decision was rendered there were $300 million in defamation claims against the media coming out of the south. What you see today however is the law of unintended consequences. If you are a public figure you have no effective recourse for defamation and slander.

  239. I have got to tell you I am fascinated by that offhand comment that powerful interests talk about me like a dog. What you see in that comment is traces of self pity, paranoia and a flight from reality. It is a revealing comment to say the least. It is more evidence that he is a sociopath. A healthy mind would not say something like that. An unhealthy one might and indeed did.
    ********
    My thoughts also…If this “dog” comment came out “off script”, I can only imagine what he says in private or what is going on in his sociopathic mind. He has always been able to avoid responsibility and get by with his superficial charm. Now he is trapped in a psychological box with ever shrinking walls and no escape. During the primary, I think you and I speculated about what the “melt down” scenario would be for a sociopath caught in this situation. I think that we are now seeing the beginnings…His handlers and the DNC leadership have got to be sh*tting bricks….My initial reaction is that those worthless fuc*ers deserve it and more, but a President moving “imaginary divisions on a map” when this country is rapidly heading into a socio/economic black hole is no time for Schadenfreude,

    This President may be on a collision course with the 25th Amendment.

  240. That ‘dog’ comment is unworthy of a leader of a nation. And that it came in an unguarded, unscripted moment is telling. We knew he is a wimpy, whiny, waffleman but this is a new low even for him. Why would he put himself in the ‘doghouse’? Strange. He thinks he is smart to say things that no ‘president’ would say (as in that which defies convention) but this is not good.

    Poor baby, go play another round of golf and get ‘ridiculed’ by the professional golfers (see RGB’s article up thread).

  241. sociopath(don’t think that term is used any more)
    *******
    The “correct” (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)) term is “Anti-Social Personality Disorder” and the American Psychiatric/Psychological associations have, IMO, “softened” the descriptions of “sociopath” so that it’s essentially eliminates what was informally known has “Highly Socialized Sociopath”.

    “Researchers have heavily criticized the ASPD DSM-IV criteria because not enough emphasis was placed on traditional psychopathic traits such as a lack of empathy, superficial charm, and inflated self appraisal.[citation needed]

    These latter traits are harder to assess than behavioral problems (like impulsivity and acting out). Thus, the DSM-IV framers sacrificed validity for reliability. That is, the ASPD diagnosis focuses on behavioral traits, but only limited emphasis is placed on affective and unemotional interpersonal traits.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder

  242. ROFL, with his ‘sex appeal’ gone, he is definitely a dog in the doghouse with everybody not just the powerful interests.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-06/obama-loses-his-sex-appeal/

    The Nation from August 2008, which describes a man “so cool he’s hot, a centrifugal force commanding attention so ruthlessly that it appeared effortless, reducing everyone around him to a sidekick, and the girls in the front rows to jelly.”
    [snip]
    Judith Warner gushed, in The New York Times, about how many American women “were dreaming about sex with the president.” Her column is a classic of emetic oversharing, and begins with the lines, “The other night I dreamt of Barack Obama. He was taking a shower right when I needed to get into the bathroom to shave my legs…”
    [snip]
    Twenty months into office, Obama stands exposed as a floundering Man, not a panacea-laden Superman. Even his relationship with his wife has hurt his sex appeal: Uxorious men are never sexy for long.

    Uxorious (doting upon, foolishly fond of, or affectionately submissive toward one’s wife.), ROFL again.. {his handlers tried to make all those foolish women like Warner jealous but it backfired.}

  243. Wow, Mormaer,

    what an analogy!

    “I see it kind of like chemo and radiation for cancer. You do not want it but doing nothing means you are dead. The Democrats are facing chemo. If it doesn’t kill them they will start getting better. But first the bad stuff needs to be removed.”

    Moononpluto,
    That is scary. I hope it doesn’t recur.

  244. moononpluto,

    you will LOVE t5his! And the name of the article is pretty good, too. Wreckovery summer.

    Bwa-ha-ha-ha

    As if the Post/ABC poll didn’t deliver enough bad news to Democrats this morning, the usually sympathetic WSJ/NBC poll hits them again, and hard. Barack Obama’s approval level has fallen to its lowest level in the survey series, 45/49, and confidence in his economic leadership has cratered. But it’s the generic ballot question that will have Democrats feeling like they’ve wiped out on Recovery Summer, with an eighteen-point gap among the most interested voters in the midterms:

  245. Mormaer, that IS a good analogy. The R’s are rather like chemotherapy for 2010. Everyone knows chemo is poison. But if you do nothing about the cancer you’re dead anyway. Of course, you can’t let chemo go too far, or you’re still dead.

    That’s the precipice our nation is on. I predict a huge chunk of the “moderate middle” in America, as well as hyper-partisans on both sides, doing a lot of swing voting in the next few elections, trying to give various forms of medicine to the body politic. That’s not a statement of whether I think that is good or bad (it’s both) – it’s merely a statement of what is going to happen IMO.

  246. Now he is trapped in a psychological box with ever shrinking walls and no escape
    ————————————
    Correct. Once you start connecting the dots, it becomes obvious that he is dissembling before our eyes. And if we know it you can be damned sure his handlers do for precisely the reasons you say. He tries to escape this trap through an unprecedented number of vacations only to discover that the problems do not go away. He holds lavish parties to sublimate his anxieties. He delivers shop warn campaign speeches that fail to inspire. Incumbents in battle ground states treat him like a leper. He makes his cameo appearance in the middle east and then does a disappearing act. He has had a lock on congress and the executive branch for nearly two years, rammed historic legislation down people throats, and they are spitting it up in his face. The dictators laugh at him and allies cringe at the sight and sound of him. He has betrayed his most important campaign promises, and his vaunted withdrawal from Iran is simply musical chairs. Afganistan will be his Viet Nam and the economy will crater within months. He cannot blame Bush because he owns the presidency now. He has made our problems worse not better. Nor can he blame the Republican Congress because he had control of both houses. Obama is in short the architect of disaster, both his and ours. And there is no way he can escape it. No A minus for him, except perhaps in his increasingly deluded mind. It is scary.

  247. MOP, Take care….did the dogs go nuts after or before everything started shaking. Dogs always have a sixth sense….just wondering.

  248. No A minus for him, except perhaps in his increasingly deluded mind. It is scary.
    ********
    I doubt is he has or had any real input on policy other than his handlers adjusting the resulting propaganda to keep Obama’s psychological balloon inflated. With the latest “teleprompter” messages of “We are on the right track” and increasingly desperate “solutions” for the economy, the Obama Ministry of Propaganda has now resorted to “Wunderwaffen”.

  249. BOB HERBERT: “WHERE HAS THIS GUY BEEN FOR THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF?”

    Answer:
    * Golfing
    * Playing basketball
    * Ribbon-cutting
    * greeting winning sports teams
    * vacationing
    * golfing
    * political rallies
    * vacationing

    Money quotes:

    1) Mr. Obama linked the nation’s desperate need for jobs to the sorry state of the national infrastructure in a tone that conveyed both passion and empathy, and left me wondering, “Where has this guy been for the past year and a half?”

    2) “The president’s plan would include the creation of an infrastructure bank that would use public dollars to leverage private capital for major projects. If properly conceived and executed, the bank could become a crucial factor in financing the nation’s long-term infrastructure needs.”

    &&&
    Get the catch there? “If properly conceived and executed…” Given Zerobama’s track record, would you give that schlep $50 billion to piss away, which will be used to buy votes just before the election???

    3) “The question that remains, however, is whether he and his party will fight with the skill and tenacity needed to guide his infrastructure proposal to fruition…”

    nytimes.com/2010/09/07/opinion/07herbert.html?_r=1

    Rising to the Occasion
    ====================

    By BOB HERBERT
    Published: September 6, 2010

    On Labor Day afternoon in Milwaukee, President Obama finally began to vigorously push the kind of high-profile, rebuild-America infrastructure campaign that is absolutely essential if there is to be any real hope of putting Americans back to work and getting the economy back into reasonable shape over the next few years.

    In a speech that was rousing, inspirational and, at times, quite funny, the president outlined a $50 billion proposal for a wide range of improvements to the nation’s transportation infrastructure. The money would be used for the construction and rehabilitation of highways, bridges, railroads, airport runways and the air traffic control system.

    Mr. Obama linked the nation’s desperate need for jobs to the sorry state of the national infrastructure in a tone that conveyed both passion and empathy, and left me wondering, “Where has this guy been for the past year and a half?”

    After noting that nearly one in five construction workers is unemployed, Mr. Obama told the crowd, “It doesn’t do anybody any good when so many hard-working Americans have been idle for months, even years, at a time when there is so much of America that needs rebuilding.”

    The U.S. once had the finest infrastructure in the world, he said, “and we can have it again.”

    The president’s plan would include the creation of an infrastructure bank that would use public dollars to leverage private capital for major projects. If properly conceived and executed, the bank could become a crucial factor in financing the nation’s long-term infrastructure needs.

    It should be kept in mind that Mr. Obama’s proposal is only a first step. Despite the $50 billion price tag, it’s not in any way commensurate with our overwhelming infrastructure needs or the gruesome scale of the nation’s unemployment crisis. But it’s an important step. It’s a smarter approach to infrastructure investment than the wasteful, haphazard, earmark-laden practices that we’ve become accustomed to, and it will put some people to work in jobs that pay decent wages.

    The details of the proposal are less important than whether the proposal itself is a sign that Mr. Obama and his party are ready, at long last, to engage this awful economy with the sense of urgency and bold initiatives it requires. The plan won’t help Democrats in November. It’s already too late for that. But a good faith commitment to rebuilding the infrastructure would show that the party has some idea of the scale of the effort that’s needed to overcome the worst downturn since the Great Depression and, ultimately, to build an economy that offers the prospect of a decent living to the next couple of generations.

    The president was eloquent on these matters in his speech. Speaking of his grandparents’ experiences during the 1930s, he said: “They would tell me about seeing their fathers or uncles losing jobs during the Depression, how it wasn’t just the loss of a paycheck that stung. It was the blow to their dignity, their sense of self-worth. I’ll bet a lot of us have seen people changed after a long bout of unemployment, how it can wear down even the strongest spirits.”

    Leaning toward the microphone, with his shirt collar unbuttoned, Mr. Obama spoke in a way that belied his reputation for aloofness, for struggling to connect in a visceral way with ordinary working people. He was speaking to a pro-Obama labor gathering, so he didn’t have to win over the audience. But if his goal was to demonstrate that he genuinely cared about the struggles of the people in the audience and those watching on television — and about the long-term prospects of their children and grandchildren — he largely succeeded.

    The question that remains, however, is whether he and his party will fight with the skill and tenacity needed to guide his infrastructure proposal to fruition, and whether they will finally focus intensely, as they should have been doing all along, on the difficult but absolutely critical task of putting millions of unemployed Americans back to work.

    Mr. Obama seemed to take a wicked, almost Truman-ish delight in going after the Republicans in his speech. It doesn’t matter what actions are taken or proposed to help ordinary Americans or to rebuild the economy, he said, “almost every Republican in Congress says no.”

    In fact, he suggested, the Republican Party is committed to saying no to absolutely anything and everything, no matter what the topic: “If I said the sky was blue, they’d say no. If I said fish live in the sea, they’d say no.”

    As if on cue, Republican leaders denounced the president’s infrastructure plan as more “out of control” Democratic spending.

  250. Will never ever vote for waffles even if I were on the ticket. Tremendous respect for SOS Clinton, but uh-uh no way no how.

  251. basil and henry, How else do you explain Poulffe saying they are a team??? I will not vote for the team either….Hillary is on the top of the ticket or I don’t vote for it….this is in concrete and I will not change my mind.

  252. I am glad that some of you understand the cancer analogy. I thought at first it was overkill but as a cancer survivor of nine years I have some of the same feelings that I did back then. Things cannot go on as they have for the past ten years in this country. The Democratic party is very sick. Our choices to remedy problems are limited and often rigged. The Democrats need to understand that if they do not suffer this defeat and change their ways completely they are gone. Extinct like the dodos and something will take their place. The Republicans are looking at the same thing but it is a little way into the future. Their turn will be next. Until Democrats understand that Obama and his enablers are killing the party and us, they will not have a future. This election is about stopping them and we only have one tool in the next two months, just like when one has to endure chemo. There really isn’t a choice.

  253. God, I hope they aren’t taken in again by this rabid hound dog.

    Obama to call rabbis

    In the wake of the Israeli-Palestinian peace talks relaunch in Washington last week, and ahead of Hillary Clinton and George Mitchell heading to the next round of talks in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt and Jerusalem next week, the Obama administration is continuing to step up its outreach to Jewish and Muslim American leaders and other key domestic constituencies.

    President Barack Obama will do a Rosh Hashanah conference call with rabbis on Tuesday, Jewish leaders said. And Vice President Joe Biden will host Jewish leaders at a pre-Rosh Hashanah reception at his Naval Observatory residence Tuesday evening.

    Clinton, meantime, will host an Iftar dinner Tuesday that will include “some of the best and most innovative American Muslim leaders under 30,” as the State Department described the “Generation Change” event. She also gave a joint interview to Israeli and Palestinian television journalists Friday, a day after she hosted face-to-face talks with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas at the State Department last week.

    UPDATE: W.H. note to those invited to participate in Obama’s Rosh Hashanah call this afternoon, attempting to make it an “off-the-record” call. At least participants are likely to refrain from live-tweeting it.

    Thank you for registering for today’s Rosh Hashanah call with President Barack Obama. The call will begin promptly at 3 PM Eastern. We strongly suggest calling in a few minutes early.

    As a reminder, this is an off-the-record call. Please do not Tweet, Facebook, or publish any details in any fashion. Your cooperation is greatly appreciated.

    If you will be calling from the United States, please join us by dialing ….

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/laurarozen/0910/Obama_to_call_rabbis.html?showall

  254. EYE ON THE MEDIA

    RICHARD COHEN GROUSES ABOUT OBAMA WHILE EXCUSE-MAKING FOR HIM.

    * Cohen blames Obama’s problems on “ignorant” Americans:

    “For example, a recent Pew poll reported that “nearly one in five Americans (18 percent) now say Obama is a Muslim, up from 11 percent in March 2009.” In other words, the longer Obama has been in office, the more ignorant people have become about him.”

    “…another poll revealed that 24 percent of Americans don’t think Obama was born in the United States.”

    * More excuse making: “Some of Obama’s travails stem from the lousy economy — unemployment up at around 10 percent. But the latest figures, while significantly higher than when he took the oath of office, are clearly the consequence of the monster recession-cum-financial debacle he inherited.”

    * Apparently Obama’s problem is of communication, not that he is a bumbling idiot: “It is clear by now that Obama has allowed others to define him. For this, Obama needs to blame Obama.”

    * Apparently, Obama is doing a splendid job, but we just don’t appreciate it (never mind that every “victory” turns out to be another shitty bill fraught with downsides): “Not only has he compiled a pretty remarkable legislative record, but he moved with dispatch to rescue the financial system, save the auto industry and — in case no one was looking — implement reforms of our woebegone education system. The more he wins, the more somehow he loses.”

    * And again, it is a communications problem, not a competency problem: “The president needs better speechwriters. The president needs a staff to tell him not to give an Oval Office address unless he has something worthy of the Oval Office to say.”

    &&&
    Here’s the whole piece, enjoy it, laugh.

    realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/09/07/obamas_shrinking_presidency.html

    September 7, 2010
    Obama’s Shrinking Presidency
    =========================

    By Richard Cohen

    One of the unintended results of the redecoration of the Oval Office was the downsizing of Barack Obama. In last week’s prime-time address to the nation, the president sat behind a massive and capaciously empty desk, looking somehow smaller than he ever has — a man physically reduced by sinking polls, a lousy economy and the prospect that his party might lose control of Congress. Behold something we never thought we’d see with Obama: The Incredible Shrinking Presidency.

    This is an amazing and, to me, somewhat frightening turn of events. The folks who ran a very smart presidential campaign in 2008 have left the defining of the Obama presidency to others, in this case people on the edge of insanity. For example, a recent Pew poll reported that “nearly one in five Americans (18 percent) now say Obama is a Muslim, up from 11 percent in March 2009.” In other words, the longer Obama has been in office, the more ignorant people have become about him.

    This news about the growing ignorance concerning Obama’s religion came not too long after yet another poll revealed that 24 percent of Americans don’t think Obama was born in the United States. An earlier poll showed that 10 percent of Americans think he was born in Indonesia, where he lived as a boy, 7 percent believe he is Kenyan and still others say (correctly) that he was born in Hawaii but do not know, a notable Elvis movie notwithstanding, that Hawaii is an American state.

    Obama’s approval rating tracks at about 47 percent. Ronald Reagan did worse at this stage of his presidency, but he was both liked and known. Obama is not all that liked and not very much known. He has become a polarizing figure — irrationally hated by Republicans and lacking much of his original support. Among whites, for instance, if the election were held now, Obama would get just an alarming 28 percent of the vote. We are once again two nations.

    Some of Obama’s travails stem from the lousy economy — unemployment up at around 10 percent. But the latest figures, while significantly higher than when he took the oath of office, are clearly the consequence of the monster recession-cum-financial debacle he inherited. This was in addition to two wars and a huge debt. If in his private phone call to George W. Bush last week, the president did not drop a “Thanks a lot” into the conversation, he is a man of saintly forbearance.

    It is clear by now that Obama has allowed others to define him. For this, Obama needs to blame Obama. His stutter-step approach to certain issues — his wimpy statements regarding the planned Islamic center in Manhattan, for instance — erodes not just his standing but his profile. What we thought we knew, we do not. Like a picture hung in the sun, he fades over time.

    Obama is stuck with Obama — the good and the bad. There is more of the former than the latter, so all is not lost. But what Obama can do — what he must do — is get some new people. His staff ill-serves him so that he presents a persona at odds with his performance. Not only has he compiled a pretty remarkable legislative record, but he moved with dispatch to rescue the financial system, save the auto industry and — in case no one was looking — implement reforms of our woebegone education system. The more he wins, the more somehow he loses.

    Go back to Obama’s recent Oval Office speech. It was only his second and so great importance was attached to it. He should have had something momentous to say. In fact, he had almost nothing so say — no news to make or report. The speech clocked in at 2,547 words. But if encomiums to both American and Iraqi troops were deleted, it went for only 1,948 words, which meant that about one-quarter of it was mush. Yes, indeed, we all love the troops — apple pie and momma, too. Now, let’s get on with it.

    The president needs better speechwriters. The president needs a staff to tell him not to give an Oval Office address unless he has something worthy of the Oval Office to say. The president needs someone to look into the camera so that, when the light goes on and he says, “Good evening,” he looks commander-in-chiefish: big. In other words, the president needs to fire some key people. Either that, or the way things are going the American people are going to fire him.

  255. Why isn’t he going to New York himself?
    —————-

    Obama to mark September 11 at the Pentagon
    (AFP) – 41 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON — US President Barack Obama will mark the ninth anniversary of the September 11 attacks at the Pentagon, and Vice President Joe Biden will be at the World Trade Center site in New York, the White House said Monday.

    Officials had previously announced that First Lady Michelle Obama and former first lady Laura Bush would on Saturday mark the attacks in Pennsylvania at the site where the hijacked plane that did not reach its target crashed.

    Obama also led national remembrance commemorations at the worst terror attack on US soil at the Pentagon last year, on his first September 11 as president, and called for a new national resolve in tackling Al-Qaeda.

    The World Trade Center site, known as “Ground Zero,” has been at the center of a fierce political row in recent weeks, over plans to build a Muslim cultural center in the vicinity, branded by critics as grossly insensitive.

    Obama upset some Democratic allies last month by joining a bitter national debate over the plans, affirming the right to build on religious freedom grounds but without endorsing what he called the “wisdom” of doing so.

    The Pentagon memorial is the only completed official monument to the victims of the September 11 attacks, with construction under way at similar sites in New York and Pennsylvania.

    Some 2,993 people died, including 2,752 in New York, on September 11, 2001, in the attacks using hijacked planes that demolished both towers of the World Trade Center, and crashed into the Pentagon military headquarters outside Washington.

    The jet that went down in Pennsylvania apparently crashed after a passenger revolt and was believed to be heading for a planned target in Washington.

    The attacks triggered then president George W. Bush’s assault on Al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan and led to the war in Iraq and a “war on terror” that Obama has inherited.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hAlAkJZrk_67CKTHzpdJuWEThXPw

  256. rgb44hrc
    September 7th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
    ——————–

    Don’tcha just hate when they lump those “ignorant” bots with the rest of us inteligent folk? 🙂

  257. Israel gearing up for ‘mother of all flotillas’

    By YAAKOV KATZ
    09/07/2010

    NGOs planning to sail up to 20 ships to Gaza in coming months; IDF closely tracking planned flotilla, preparing for wide-range of scenarios.

    Israel is preparing for what is being described in the IDF as the “mother of all flotillas,” which could include up to 20 different ships planning to set sail for the Gaza Strip in the coming months.

    The flotilla is being organized by a coalition of NGOs from Europe and the United States, including a group calling itself European Jews for a Just Peace.

    “We hope to have a broad coalition from European countries, and also maybe the United States,” Dror Feiler, an Israeli-Swedish musician and artist who lives in Stockholm – and one of the organizers behind the flotilla – told The Jerusalem Post on Monday. “We would like it to be double the size of the last flotilla, with at least a dozen ships and more than thousand people.”

    The IDF is closely tracking the planned flotilla and is preparing for a wide-range of scenarios, including the possibility that due the large number of ships, it will need to stop the flotilla far from Israel’s shores. Feiler said the large number of ships was due to the unprecedented number of people who wanted to sail to Gaza.

    “The Israeli army can stop 12 or 50 ships if it wants,” he said. “There are so many ships since so many people want to get together to stop the siege, which is a collective punishment of the people of Gaza and is unacceptable.”

    The last flotilla to Gaza was stopped by the navy at the end of May. During the operation, nine Turkish passengers aboard the Mavi Marmara passenger ship were killed in clashes with commandos from the navy’s Flotilla 13.

    The coalition behind the new blockade-busting effort includes the Turkish IHH and the Free Gaza Movement, both of which were involved in the May flotilla. It is demanding “an immediate and complete lifting of the closure, including a lifting of the travel ban as well as the ban on exports from Gaza.”

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=187363

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