Restoring Honor

Glenn Beck hosted a massive rally today in Washington, D.C. whose theme was “Restoring Honor”. Though not officially a “Tea Party” event, there is no dispute that Tea Party activists comprise a large component of the organizational effort and more than likely a majority of the participants in attendance.

The “Restoring Honor” rally is billed as non-political and a benefit for the Special Operations Warrior Foundation. Obama Dimocrats and even some well meaning people attacked the rally because of this or that reason.

The biggest reason cited in attacks to the “Restoring Honor” rally is that it takes place on the 48th anniversary of Martin Luther King’s great “I have a dream” speech. The attacks are tedious and unoriginal and to be expected. The rally itself, from what can be seen on TV, is likewise tedious and unoriginal – but it is very effective.

Not only is the “Restoring Honor” rally an effective organizational tool, but it says something much greater about the evolution of American politics. One question is: why is this mass rally organized by the “right” and not by the “left”?

Such is the depravity of today’s Obama Left, that the first reaction is a resort to the “racist” cry. Instead of asking why the Left cannot or will not mount massive protests in the streets, there is a whiny rebuke of Glenn Beck for actually pulling off something quite impressive.

Perhaps the depraved Obama Left does not know the history of the great 1963 Civil Rights March. The actual march on Washington’s name is the “March On Washington For Jobs And Freedom“. [One would think that “freedom” could be dumped by these drones and at least the call for a “jobs” march adopted by today’s corrupt Obama Left.]

“The Great March On Washington”, as it later became known was the brainchild of A. Philip Randolph. Randolph was the president of the union The Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters in an age when air travel was not so ubiquitous. Together with the brilliant Bayard Rustin (a black Gay man who deserves more credit and study than he has ever received), the gentlemanly Randolph stitched together the event which the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would usurp with a speech that shook heaven and earth.

What was the purpose of the great march? Why did the great march take place?:

“Randolph had planned a similar march in 1941. The threat of the earlier march had convinced President Roosevelt to establish the Committee on Fair Employment Practice and bar discriminatory hiring in the defense industry. [snip]

The march was not universally supported among African-Americans. Some civil rights activists were concerned that it might turn violent, which could undermine pending legislation and damage the international image of the movement. The march was condemned by Malcolm X, spokesperson for the Nation of Islam, who termed it the “farce on Washington”.

March organizers themselves disagreed over the purpose of the march. The NAACP and Urban League saw it as a gesture of support for a civil rights bill that had been introduced by the Kennedy Administration. Randolph, King, and the SCLC saw it as a way of raising both civil rights and economic issues to national attention beyond the Kennedy bill. SNCC and CORE saw it as a way of challenging and condemning the Kennedy administration’s inaction and lack of support for civil rights for African-Americans.”

A. Philip Randolph would not recognize the garbage which is today’s Left. Randolph lived in an age when leaders and organizations fought for their constituencies. World War II and Democratic President Franklin Roosevelt in office did not deter Randolph from representing his union and his people. John F. Kennedy in the White House did not deter Randolph from the fight.

The Kennedy Administration applied great pressure on Randolph and King to call it off but without success. The march was held on August 28, 1963.”

Imagine today’s depraved Left calling for a march on Martha’s Vineyard Washington. In 1964 the progressive labor movement, liberal organizations and all the major civil rights organizations took on a young and popular president who took office after years of Republican rule. No longer is this possible.

Today, mainline women’s organizations, along with Gay organizations, many Jewish groups, labor, and the rest of the corrupt Left do not represent their constituencies. The corrupt Left can only whine and complain about Glenn Beck and the Tea Party movement. The corrupt Left today is incapable and unwilling to organize anything to match the Tea Party movement. Today’s corrupt Left will only protect Barack Obama with shouts of “racist” at every turn and development.

The great march on Washington in 1963 was not just about great speeches. It was part of a movement. Today’s corrupt Left has forgotten the effect of riding buses for hours in pursuit of a cause you believe in, along with other like minded people. Every bus becomes a political convention and life long friendships. Every bus becomes a strategy session. Every bus becomes a canvassing effort. Every bus reveals unknown allies in local communities who then establish a connection – which becomes a stronger and more powerful movement.

Today’s “Restoring Honor” rally is a bookend rally which closes a door and opens another door. The new door the rally opens today is that the fruits of today’s rally will reflect even greater organizational muscle and even stronger vote operations in the November elections to come.

The closed door is the precursor rally to today’s rally. On April 15, 2009, the first Tea Party rally was held in Washington, D.C. The Obama Dimocrats tried to stage counter rallies that day. When the counter rallies fizzled, mockery of the Tea Party became the only card left to play. But that first Tea Party rally was successful and it led to today’s rally and it also led to the horrible for Obama August of 2009.

Obama Dimocrats thought this year’s “Recovery Summer” series of publicity stunts would not only be a time to trumpet how they wasted money on “stimulus” projects. Obama Dimocrats also thought that the series of “Recovery Summer” publicity stunts would preempt another horrible August like the Tea Party summer of Town Hall protests in 2009. Problem is the economic data do not cooperate and Obama and Biden are increasingly out of touch and obviously so.

So let the Obama Dimocrats, the Obama Left, the “creative class” fools allow themselves to feel superior to the Tea Party activists with the same vinegar disdain they held and hold for Hillary Clinton supporters. We haven’t gone away and neither will the Tea Party.

Let these sybarites luxuriate in their smugness. Let them whine. While today’s corrupt Left whines Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin organize. Today’s corrupt Left is not only corrupt it is also useless and stupid. The Black Agenda Report:

“That’s what happens when progressives maneuver themselves onto the same side of the battlefield as Goldman Sachs, as they did with abandon in 2007-08, deliriously fighting their way into a cul-de-sac in which they are now surrounded.

The leftish brigades rallied to a commander who styled himself an incarnation of Abraham Lincoln, but turned out to be a General George McClellan, the Union’s first commander of the Army of the Potomac. McClellan was great at rousing the troops and putting his army on parade, but constantly overestimated his Confederate adversaries and, in Lincoln’s final estimation, refused to fight. [snip]

The question is, how in the hell did lefties conclude that Big Capital’s and Big Oil’s “greater good” candidate was also the progressive side’s fountain of Hope – or even a “lesser evil” – in 2008? Both camps placed their bets on Obama, but only one side could possibly win.”

Oh, you gluttonous Left, or what pretends to be the Left. The Left that enabled Barack Obama will never overcome it’s shame. After November and the losses in the election, the Left that was so stupid it supported Barack Obama will attempt to wash the blood from its hands by claiming Obama is not one of them. But you bought him, you own him. And what a great price you paid for such a cheap tinny product.

Two years ago today, we outlined our strategy. We failed in that Barack Obama, only because of a near collapse of the financial system and exhaustion with George W. Bush, was elected. But our words and strategies are still right on target:

“Yesterday, the Democratic Party of the FDR coalition committed suicide.

True Democrats will remember and regret the suicide of the Democratic Party. Hillary supporters must not only cherish the memory of the FDR coalition Democratic Party but fight to breathe life anew and restore that coalition for justice.

For Hillary supporters at Big Pink, and everywhere else, the duty is to remember and fight. Like patriots in occupied France, patriots in the 13 colonies when Royalists commanded at the point of gun American cities, real Democrats will not only preserve the memory of the great Democratic Party of FDR, but gather in resistance. We will organize and fight to galvanize the Democratic Party from death and to great purpose.

For us no Greek temples. Hillary supporters have many more fights left to fight. [snip]

Big Pink will not allow the voter disenfranchisements of 2008 to be forgotten. Like Banquo’s ghost we will not go away. Like King Hamlet’s ghost we will shout “Remember”. We will not allow the glories of the Democratic Party of FDR to be forgotten nor buried. We will fight to restore the party of FDR to life and glory.

Here at Big Pink we continue the fight against the sexism and misogyny of Obama/Dean/Brazile/Pelosi. Here at Big Pink we continue to remind every day, by our very existence, by our very name, the travesties and treacheries committed by Obama/Dean/Brazile/Pelosi and Big Media.

The corpse that labels itself as the Obama Democratic Party must be defeated in NOvember. The Obama Democratic Party must not be rewarded for sexisim, misogyny, and voter disenfranchisemen with electoral successt. The Obama Democratic Party must be punished with devastating, wakeful, DEFEAT.

We will not go away into the good night. We fight on.

We live to continue the struggles for justice but the Democratic Party is dead.

For Hillary supporters, for those of us here at Big Pink issues do matter and are worth fighting for. For us Obama must be defeated in NOvember. We have written before and we repeat today our reasoning to oppose Obama in NOvember: Better to fight McCain and the Republicans with Democratic majorities forced to fight than to bow to Obama’s betrayals of core Democratic principles and appeasements to Republicans. Obama cannot be trusted by neither friend nor foe. We want Democratic elected officials to fight for core Democratic principles. Obama would betray Democratic principles, appease the worse of Republican demands and anyone who opposed Obama as in the past would be called a “racist”.

Two years ago we honorably pledged to continue the fight with words and strategies that have proven prescient and wise. Two years ago, the once great Democratic Party was in convention to nomination the sorely unqualified, ruthlessly race-baiting, hatefully gay-bashing, and woman hating, flim-flam man Barack Obama. We opposed him then and we oppose him now.

Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

Today Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin and hundreds of thousands of others rallied under the banner “Restoring Honor”. Here at Big Pink we’ve been “restoring honor” long ago.

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391 thoughts on “Restoring Honor

  1. I watched the rally today on Facebook along with close to 130,000 others. I was surprised — not a fan of Beck, but I thought is was more than palatable.
    The trolls were relentless. I hope they got paid overtime for working the weekend. I wonder do they think their behavior has any effect anymore?

  2. I normally am not a fan of Beck, although I do like the history and fiscal lessons he teaches on his show, he does a great job with that.

    My wife and SIL went to this today, still waiting to hear from them, but they did text me, that they had a wonderful time, met lots of decent Americans.

    As for Sharpton, the man would call Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. a racist if he could get away with it.

    I watched Sarah Palin, she did a great job, as did Dr. Alevda King, I enjoyed listening to the Native American preacher as well.

  3. I watched parts of it, and heard a lot of screeching by some over all the “God talk”. Here’s my take on that:

    As someone who is a Christian but not particularly religious, I have no problem with it. These people were not talking about making narrow “religious laws”, they were talking about the heart, and faith as inspiration for positive change. They were exercising their faith in a public and peaceful manner, which is entirely consistent with American liberty.

    I don’t understand the irreligious who can find nothing positive in the faith of others. You don’t have to agree to appreciate the passion, or the intent. I’m not a buddhist, either, but I can admire and respect a buddhist making pleas for peace and acceptance. Why can the non-believing public not do that with Christians as well?

    MLK peppered his speeches with references to God and Christ as his foundation and inspiration. That didn’t mean that Jews, atheists, whatever could not appreciate his cause and his concepts.

    There is a big difference between “making the Bible the LAW” and “the Bible and faith as INSPIRATION for a just and free society”. BIG difference. Those today seemed to fall into the latter category with their prayers and speeches.

  4. I appreaciate this post because you are not cheerleading Beck, saying, wow, he is right on, these people really get it. Rather you are making an entirely different critque of the Left. Very clever.

  5. “Those today seemed to fall into the latter category with their prayers and speeches.”

    Agreed.

    Just spoke on the phone with my wife and SIL, they were very impressed with the event, met lots of hardworking people from across the country, repubs, dems, ex-dems, and independents.

  6. admin
    August 28th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
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    Looks bigger than Berlin crowd, doesn’t it? 😉

    Obama peaked before he became president. Premature ejaculation, sounds like those blogger boyz, doesn’t it?

  7. admin — the picture doesn’t even include the crowd near the washington monument. my family was near the WWII memorial, and they saw the area in front of the washington monument being very packed as well, and the picture didn’t capture that.

    I’m hoping there is a picture that includes most of the national mall area.

  8. Another great post, admin! For the most part, the MSM has portrayed the Tea Party as a bunch of crazys, but anyone that has actually TALKED to Tea Party members, it becomes obvious that they are everyday people. Furthermore, you nailed it when you demonstrated the impotence of the left. Granted, Glen Beck is batshit crazy, but he DID organize a large number of people into a peaceful gathering. Louis Farakhan, while not much different than Beck in terms of general craziness, did the same with the Million Man march. And it wouldn’t be a leftist response without the racist meme. How convienient.

    Asshats…..

    Hillary 2012

    Great Post Admin!!!

  9. Granted, Glen Beck is batshit crazy, but he DID organize a large number of people into a peaceful gathering. Louis Farakhan, while not much different than Beck in terms of general craziness, did the same with the Million Man march.
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    ROCK,

    NOT EVEN CLOSE IN COMPARISON, BECK VS FARAKHAN

  10. admin
    August 28th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
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    Pretty impressive Admin, summer and people are on vaca…impressive!

    So is your post

  11. I agree with gonzotx, Beck is annoying many times, but he is no comparison as lunatic or radical as Farrakhan

  12. gonzotx
    August 28th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    The comparison is not of the two men or what they stand for. The comparison falls in line with the subject of admin’s post – the ability for the opposition to organize a rally of significance in spite of the forces in place to stop them. The million man march was an example of a movement that had been building up as a result of unrest within that community led by a leader that didn’t/doesn’t always have any facts. The comparison is not between the two people. It’s between the two events…..

  13. jtjames
    August 28th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    what? I’m confused, how was Google giving the wrong directions? Can you please elaborate, I have not heard this story yet. Thank you.

  14. Thank you for this article, Admin. There were 130,360 online viewers at the end of the Restoring Honor Rally today;many online at the keyboard said that there were others watching with them as well so that would up the numbers. My husband was watching with me. There were monsterous numbers of people who ‘liked’ the UStream video page.
    How could anyone with one eye and half sense take exception to this rally today, or the concept of truth, individual responsibilty, or honor? Even some bots were compelled to attend and commented – roflmao.

    I shouted Hallaleujah when the Black Robe Brigade came out. I had so hoped that there could be another. Dr. Alveda King did a wonderful and inspring speech; she also was not intimidated by Al Sharpton on CNN (I know I had to forego my boycott of LSM just this one time. She let him have it!

    I for one will get a big stick, and I will help raise the next George Washington or Thomas Jefferson.

  15. thanks for the pcworld link. Stupid a$$holes! This makes me sick!!!!! I used to use Google, this is the last straw for me, they have done other things like this before. I’m going to use Bing or Yahoo search from now on.

    So much for their “Do no evil” motto. I could care less if they are all lefties, but leave the science and results alone and not for political purposes!

  16. Thanks, TheRealist.

    Surprising that the AP included this in their coverage:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_dc_rally;_ylt=AkvvVgFqbM0BRAMJOi8_DXas0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNiNTYyNHZrBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwODI4L3VzX2RjX3JhbGx5BGNjb2RlA21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMgRwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDYmVja3NheXN1c2hh

    Clarence B. Jones, who served as King’s personal attorney and his speechwriter, said he believes King would not be offended by Beck’s rally but “pleased and honored” that a diverse group of people would come together, almost five decades later, to discuss the future of America.

    Jones, now a visiting professor at Stanford University, said the Beck rally seemed to be tasteful and did not appear to distort King’s message, which included a recommitment to religious values.

  17. Admin: a brilliant well written and thought provoking piece, for those who care about this country and have not surrendered their god given ability to think to the hucksters of Madison Avenue, and the whores of big media. Loyal Americans and honest media people should should take note and ponder the implications of what you say both here and in other posts.

  18. Have you ever noticed what happens when people get so over wrought that they lose the ability to answer their adversary on a rational level, or to differentiate between valid points and contentious ones. What you generally hear at that point is words like fuck you, racist, nazi and all that. Words we have heard from Pelosi, Van Hollen, Olberman, and other Obama worshippers. Those words are sure signal that they have lost the argument. In the animal world the defeated contestant shows the other his neck as a sign of submission. That is what we see now with the dimocratic party. When all they can do is use profanity and play the race card they have in effect surrendered at the merits of their position. In his last article, Krauthammer, a world renowned psychiatrist, as well as journalist, makes the same point. For the Obama people it is really over. All they can do now is promote chaos, and as the economy continues to deteriorate that is where they will go.

  19. This is crazy. As a technology person, I am almost livid that tools like these are used for political purposes by their companies. Leave the science alone, fuckers!
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    Barbarians. You cannot rely on them to observe the basic rules of society, civility or decency. They are their own worst enemy. When and if the chaos starts these people will push the envelop and they will swing for it. They take more and more and more liberties, until they reach a tipping point. They are by nature back shooters.

  20. This is crazy. As a technology person, I am almost livid that tools like these are used for political purposes by their companies. Leave the science alone, fuckers!
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    Barbarians. You cannot rely on them to observe the basic rules of society, civility or decency. They are their own worst enemy. When and if the chaos starts these people will push the envelop and they will swing for it. They take more and more and more liberties, until they reach a tipping point. They are by nature back shooters.
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    I have a hunch that you will find the future Timothy McVeighs in the ranks of these leftist geeks.

  21. Heck yes, Admin-

    The Obama Democratic Party must not be rewarded for sexisim, misogyny, and voter disenfranchisemen with electoral successt. The Obama Democratic Party must be punished with devastating, wakeful, DEFEAT!

    If Hillary doesn’t run in 2012, the Rethugs had better put up a more centralist like McCain to get my vote, or someone good had better run as an Independent.

  22. Admin,

    I would be interested in more discussion of why Hillary supporters and / or real democrats have not organized as well to take back their party. The obvious answer to me is that our chosen leader, Hillary, is part of the administration we despise.

    But where are democrats forming a party to promote reductions in healthcare costs thru negotiating with pharma, providing not for profit healthcare, advocating for single payer, financial reforms that aid the middle class, not our cuttent robber barons?

  23. Bravo Admin…a wonderful article…and I learned a lot I didn’t know about the original march. I can’t stand Beck, I think he is a puppet just like Obama, but I know Sarah isn’t so I would of liked to see the rally. These folks are real people, not the ones Obama had that came for the rock concert or the iphone.

    See you all later its football time….

  24. ADMIN:

    Thought this was an interesting video of some of the people who attended the rally today and were interviewed.

  25. Great read per usual.
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    Interesting Obama’s approval rating up slightly at RCP. His inactivity seems to be helping him or atleast preventing further harm.

  26. Carol. Brian Schweitzer(Governor of Montana) is making the smartest argument right now about prescription drugs. He’s petitioning for the feds to let him extend Medicaids prescpirtion drug pricing to all Montanans. The feds negotiate drug prices through Medicaid(something thanks to Obama that was dropped from the health sham bill, and something Bush refused to sign on to with the drug benefit under Medicare). Here’s what he’s doing:

    But Schweitzer’s bigger plan is to put the spotlight on the big money the pharmaceutical industry makes by charging Americans more for its products. He said Congress is partly too blame, and he aims to point it out by requesting that every Montanan be allowed to pay the same price Medicaid does for medicine.

    “They can’t turn me down or they will look like they are bought and paid for by the drug lords,” Schweitzer said.

    billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/article_1636add6-b147-11df-b150-001cc4c002e0.html

    Now that to me is how a Democrat sounds.

  27. Shadowfax
    August 28th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    confloyd
    August 28th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Shadowfax…I know we aren’t suppose to judge,

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    That’s another rule I don’t follow. I do judge people by their actions, their character and how they treat others. I am no saint, I don’t expect everyone or even myself to be Mother Teresa, but, actions do matter, much more than empty words.

    I am an ex-Catholic, but I still have certain expectations of humanity, and forgiveness for this Scorpio has to be earned, not easily given.

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    The religious sort of ‘non-judging’ and ‘forgiveness’ does not mean you trust the person to change his political behavior!

    If someone steals your car and does a hit and run, you may ‘forgive’ him and not press charges — but you damn well don’t give him the keys again!

  28. Good video of Pat Caddell (an old-school Democrat like myself) commenting on how out of touch the Dims are, and the growing fury in America at the political elites:

  29. Interesting Obama’s approval rating up slightly at RCP. His inactivity seems to be helping him or atleast preventing further harm.
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    Whenever he presumes to speak or act it is a disaster. So it is hardly surprising that when he does neither his disapproval rating would edge downward. It you push that idea to the limits of its logic then it becomes obvious that if Obama would simply resign his approval rating would rise exponentially. People would give him the credit he deserves for making one correct decision during his tumultuous term in the White House.

  30. Interesting Obama’s approval rating up slightly at RCP. His inactivity seems to be helping him or atleast preventing further harm.

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    May be that is why his handlers have sent him on so many vacations so far.

  31. The appearance of failure at this point has become too prevelent for him. Those rating seem to have no logic.

  32. I would be interested in more discussion of why Hillary supporters and / or real democrats have not organized as well to take back their party.

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but I heard very clearly, from DNC officials, that I (and my kind) are no longer welcome in the New Democrat Party. Based on what I have see, there is nothing left to “take back”. I’m not terribly excited by the Republican party, either, but at least they don’t call me a racist and a bigot because I voted for Hillary Clinton in the 2008 primaries. It’s not much, but it beats what the Democrat party is offering me.

  33. That’s what happens when progressives maneuver themselves onto the same side of the battlefield as Goldman Sachs, as they did with abandon in 2007-08, deliriously fighting their way into a cul-de-sac in which they are now surrounded–Black Agenda Report.
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    This is hardly the first time that progressives and financial interests have teamed up to foment a revolution. In fact, British and American money men were behind every major revolution we have seen since the Napoleonic War. American and British banking interests financed the Russian revolution after the Czar refused to turn over oil fields. They financed Komeni after the Shaw of Iran demanded a major increase in the long term oil contract which was scheduled to expire. And they financed the rise of Mr Obama from the depths of obscurity to break up social security which they regard as a ponzi scheme, and to cut off the tail on medicare. This article documents their involvement in the Russian revolution and the same corporate names are present.

    http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/ArticleDisplay.php?Article=FinalWarn07-3

  34. hwc
    August 28th, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    Well, that may work for you, but the Party that impeached Bill Clinton will never be my Party. They don’t share my values on a single issue. I still stand with Hillary on the issues and so do many millions of rank and file Democrats. I believe strongly that the FDR coalition will take the Dem Party back because the majority of the interests of the Republican Party do not connect with these voters. For example, these Republican idiots and some Democrats want to extend the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. Like nearly all Democrats and half of the rank and file Republicans, I’d like to return to Clinton-era tax rates.

  35. This survey of history helps explain why Obama was anxious to return the bust of Churchill. The tendency to impute this to any particular group is discriminatory and wrong. It is the concentration of money in few hands that is the issue. The problem now is the world is no longer the oyster for these British and American banking interests. The rise of China threatens the control they have been able to exercise in the past. And that is why they are moving quickly on the United States in my opinion. A couple years ago, I mentioned that a friend of mine who worked on Wall Street got invited to one of those brownstones for a party. This was during the 1980s. Some of the top people from Wall Street were there. Late in the evening he overheard a conversation where they were talking about the demographic tidal wave that would be hitting the country when the baby boomers retired, and how that would overwhelm the entitlement programs. No definitive answers were proffered at that time but it was clear to him that they were keen to find a way to gut social security for precisely that reason. Bush tried to do it and failed. Now it is Obama’s turn. And we will probably see something on that front after the November elections.

  36. mj
    the Party that impeached Bill Clinton will never be my Party. They don’t share my values on a single issue. I still stand with Hillary on the issues and so do many millions of rank and file Democrats.

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    Right. It’s naive to talk as though the Impeachment were really anything other than wanting to get rid of a President who was balancing the budget and getting other things done that the GOP has always opposed.

  37. turndown, EXACTLY! Those keys your talking about not only pertains to Newt, but Obama as well. He cheated his way in to the Presidency and I will not/cannot forgive him for that….so he will NEVER get my vote…the DNC had better realize their mistake and run and back Hillary or I am forever a rethug or with the Green party….

  38. Some of the top people from Wall Street were there. Late in the evening he overheard a conversation where they were talking about the demographic tidal wave that would be hitting the country when the baby boomers retired, and how that would overwhelm the entitlement programs. No definitive answers were proffered at that time but it was clear to him that they were keen to find a way to gut social security for precisely that reason.

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    WEll, that’s what they’re all claiming, quite openly, now. Not that it’s true.

    Iirc Hillary said SS is fine, just Congress will have to start paying off some of the bonds they’ve been selling to the SS reserve fund, maybe around 2037.

  39. I believe strongly that the FDR coalition will take the Dem Party back
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    I hope so mj. I sincerely hope so. But right now it does not look too promising. Not with over 80% of the democrats still supporting Obama. That is why I was so concerned to see that 61% of the Jewish voters still support Obama. If any group has grounds to oppose him for what he is doing it is them. In my opinion, we need both parties, and I would rather see them compete rather than collude. But in terms of winning the party back, I think it is doable. But It’s a Long Way to Tipperary.

  40. I believe strongly that the FDR coalition will take the Dem Party back
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    I hope so mj. I sincerely hope so. But right now it does not look too promising. Not with over 80% of the democrats still supporting Obama.

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    So Bill and Hillary’s way may be the best. A sort of gentle ju-jitsu. Instead of openly opposing that 80%, they’re giving Obama enough rope, getting in position to step in when he falls on his face.

  41. The Restoring Rally began with a Boy Scout leading the Pledge of Allegiance; now just imagine that, the very same group that The Won chose not to honor with a visit.
    The rally was not about host Glenn Beck, it was about the participants, the crowd, and the return to American values like faith, hope, charity, truth, individual responsibility, and above all restoring HONOR to America through its citizens.

    I know there is heartbreak over the demise of the Democratic Party here and for that I am very saddened. But why is anyone still clinging to R or D, Left or Right as a political agenda? Why not be FOR restoring America and FOR anyone trying honestly to do the same? These questions are meant in the best of kindred spirit. To me, it is like worrying about if you left the kitchen stove on when your house is burning down.

    Al Sharpton is so yesterday; and today he is so totally irrelevant. He has lived to see MLK’s dream come true. He can go home now. Further, the Rs and Ds are who have gotten our country into the Stage 4 cancer of the here and now and on life support, almost to the point of Code Blue. Why support one over the other when they are both so totally the two wings of the same airplane?

  42. wbboei
    August 28th, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    We are guaranteed to see something on that front in after the fall elections. That’s the plan. That’s when the deficit commission unveils their recommendations, and when the House has agreed to vote on them. In a lame duck session! It’s disgusting. By the way, Wall Street jerk offs always say social security is in trouble because of the boomers, what they fail to tell you is not only funding completely secure except in the most doomsday scenarios, but funding surges as boomers die off. The fatcats just don’t want treasury to payback the trustfund IOU’s because they may have to pay more taxes. The horrors.

  43. I believe strongly that the FDR coalition will take the Dem Party back
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    I hope so mj. I sincerely hope so. But right now it does not look too promising. Not with over 80% of the democrats still supporting Obama.

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    So Bill and Hillary’s way may be the best. A sort of gentle ju-jitsu. Instead of openly opposing that 80%, they’re giving Obama enough rope, getting in position to step in when he falls on his face.

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    It is the only way to play the hand they were dealt. But the American People have to do their part and kick dimocrats in the teeth come November, and the Republicans have to display a quality which has been absent in their ranks for twenty years namely competence. If one of those two things goes wrong, then we will get four more years of this joker and the country cannot stand survive in that case.

  44. ShortTermer
    August 28th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    Frankly, I don’t care if Beck had the boyscouts to his rally. That doesn’t effect my life at all. I care about issues, particularly economic issues, and the Republican Party still parades around pushing the same ideas that got us into this mess; privatize everything, lower taxes for rich people, make cuts to social programs like Medicare and Social Security, deregulate. Frankly, their agenda got us into this financial mess. Obama may have failed to get us out, but I don’t think the answer lies with the Party that got us is. Just two years ago everyone was talking about the demise of the Republican Party. I wouldn’t bury the Democrats just yet. This current crop in charge has to go, but I do hope something better rises up, because the Republicans are not the answer, and it has nothing to do with mere labels. They have a hardcore ideology that has only become more hard right in the last two years, not more moderate. So, no thanks.

  45. wbbeoi, “the Republicans have to display a quality which has been absent in their ranks for twenty years namely competence.” That’s not going to happen. These guys hate government. it’s nearly impossible to competently run a behemouth organization you hate. I actually think you may be right though. I have long thought a Repub win this fall will help Obama in 2012. But we’ll have to see. It depends on enthusiasm of the base voters. Also, despite polling, clearly base voters are not very happy. That’s why Repubs are poised to win, because Democrats are not ethusiatic about going to the polls this fall.

  46. mj
    August 28th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    MJ,

    What you are saying is some of the fundamental treachery of this administration. Now the bulk of the country that doesn’t pay attention to the details of politics but rather the soundbites, will now form in their minds that Republican economic policy has merit and is fiscally responsible. Obumbles has taken the reputation of fiscal responsibility achieved a mere 10 years ago by President Clinton, and completely reversed it in two years (with the help of course of a democratic congress).

    The best thing that could happen to Democrats, who are a long way from being completely gone from the political scene, might be the whipping they take this year. A purge of crappy congress critters could make the party stronger in the end, as long as their replacements have a bit of morality about them. Not to mention the fact that there is no way Obumbles will be able to stand the barrage of committees that will be investigating him with the GOP in charge. He WILL wilt under that fury. My only hope is that Hillary not be anywhere near him as toxic as he will become. A well-timed departure might put her in the perfect position to ascend to the White House amidst a long overdue call from Democrat elders to save the party (as usual). I think that time will come as soon as Obumbles hits 35% approval.

    Hillary 2012

  47. TheRock, “The best thing that could happen to Democrats, who are a long way from being completely gone from the political scene, might be the whipping they take this year. A purge of crappy congress critters could make the party stronger in the end, as long as their replacements have a bit of morality about them.”

    I agree.

  48. The total who watched the Restoring Honor Rally was huge and one must total the parts:
    the crowd at Lincoln Memorial,
    those watching on UStream on FaceBook,
    those watching on C-Span and those dvr-ing on C-Span

    Those with the people watching on UStream on FaceBook such as my husband. One lady reported that a total of 7 of her family members were watching with her on FaceBook.

    The Restoring Honor Rally filled the reflecting pool area and much more; Al Sharpton’s rally almost filled a high school football field as a comparison.

  49. Maybe some people better ease off the anti-Islam stuff?

    Last night, near Nashville, Tennessee, someone(s) poured gasoline around construction equipment being used to build a mosque

    A few days ago, a drunk man broke into a Queens mosque, shouted at the people, and urinated on the prayer rugs.

    A week ago, someone threw a block through the window of a mosque in Madera, California

    That’s not counting the scheduled events such as a Koran-burning party.

  50. It is perfectly ok to criticise, its not ok to lash out in uncivil criminal damage but I don’t think for one minute people should shut up about what they find distasteful.

    Its that mentality again of appeasement, why the hell should people keep quiet, they kept quiet long enough.

    Maybe some people should lay off the anti christian stuff in this country too then people might not feel they are being sidelined.

    Think about who fuelled this mess in the first place and their subsequent disregard for the insensitivity against the nation.

  51. I was there yesterday and it was a great rally. I as a PUMA Democrat spoke to alot of people about our movement and where we are after the 2008 election. People ar really interested to learn about us and where we are today with the Democratic Party. I heard a number of conservative Republicans tell me that they would have been happy with Hillary as President and don’t understand why she continues to work for Obama. I also had a number of them tell me they would have voted for her over Jon McCain. I was proud to represent our movement and share our thoughts as we move forward. One side note as I walked pass the State Department building I yelled at the top of my lungs please run Hill from on of your 18,000,000 supporters. People did look at me with wonder

  52. TheRock
    August 29th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    well said, TheRock. Plain talk, nothing windy with streams of anecdotal stories that muddy the waters.

    thanks-

  53. wbbeoi, “the Republicans have to display a quality which has been absent in their ranks for twenty years namely competence.” That’s not going to happen. These guys hate government. it’s nearly impossible to competently run a behemouth organization you hate. I actually think you may be right though. I have long thought a Repub win this fall will help Obama in 2012.
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    mj: I do not find traditional republican values repugnant. If you turn the whole show over to government, there comes a point where they cease to be the servant and become the master. The Republicans are right in that respect. They are also right in deploring the state of dependency, which the welfare state produced. In a globalized economy that is something we cannot afford. They are right in defending American traditions and even the notion of American exceptionalism, which define us as a country and embody a hopeful message to the world . And, they have got it right in understanding how business works, and that high taxes, dense regulations and uncertainty are lethal to business expansion and jobs. Where they err however is in allowing the market to control everything and failing to enforce sensible regulation of economic activity. Also, they sold their soul to the neocons, and allowed themselves to be corrupted by big money as in the case of Duke Cunningham, and they stopped listening to the American People. In the process, they compromised their own values. Today, grass roots republicans and independents are working to clean out the sewer, despite strong opposition from big media, who wants to preserve a system, a duopoly and a morality play they can feed off of.

    The Democratic Party has become the party of Obama. It has become the party that hates America, steals elections, pisses on their own party members, loots the economy, promotes racial strife, succors at the teat of big money, refuses to protect our borders, overwhelms our safety nets with illegals, destroys the economic security of the middle class and more. Sadly, those provocative statements are the gods truth. Yet nearly half the country remains clueless to this. They respond like children to the Madison Avenue hype, and that convinces the bad actors that they can pull this thing off. As you or someone else correctly pointed out, there is no grass roots effort in the Democratic Party to clean up their swamp, because they are scared to death of being called racist. The most you hear occasionally from them is I wish we had Hillary, my god I hope nobody head me and report me to Barack. When the country is being destroyed before our eyes that should be the least of their worries.

    The optimal scenario is the one which Admin has described before in dialectic terms–thesis, anti thesis–synthesis. A Democratic Party which fights for the legitimate rights of Americans and supports the middle class. A Republican Party which reinforces our individualist traditions and minds the store.

  54. The best thing that could happen to Democrats, who are a long way from being completely gone from the political scene, might be the whipping they take this year. A purge of crappy congress critters could make the party stronger in the end, as long as their replacements have a bit of morality about them.
    —————————————————-
    Years ago I worked for the largest fishing company in Alaska, which is now long gone. The head of that company was a guy who looked like Maurice Chevalier and had been a player in that industry since the turn of the century. He was a walking history book. He too is long gone now. But I do remember a story he told me about a man who was who organized parts of the industry for the International Longshoremen’s Union. He laughed at how the man had been a fire breathing dragon in his youth but went on to become a card carrying Republican later in life. They were in an industry negotiation some time in the late 1930s and this union man put forth a proposal which shocked the employer side of the table, and caused them to question him whether he was serious. The story teller responded by god Joe, that proposal of yours would drive half the businesses in this industry out of business. The union leader responded that is exactly the half that I want to drive out of the industry, etc.

    When I look at whom the most vulnerable democrats are in the House, they tend to come from swing districts, and they are the least inclined to support Obama but support him they did on health care and financial reform. They are typically blue dogs. Therefore, my sense is that the democrats who will be driven from office in November may be the half that Obama wants to drive out of office. In that case, his vulnerablities are two fold. First, he loses control of one or possibly even both Houses of Congress. Second, the money men will see that the American People have rejected his leadership, and will therefore need to look elsewhere.

  55. The optimal scenario is the one which Admin has described before in dialectic terms–thesis, anti thesis–synthesis. A Democratic Party which fights for the legitimate rights of Americans and supports the middle class. A Republican Party which reinforces our individualist traditions and minds the store.
    ————————————————
    Just to complete the thought, this is where a Hillary candidacy in 2012 makes sense. It would provide a rallying point for democrats who privately reject the grand scheme of Mr. Obama, and it could help both political parties rebox the compass. Neither party should be permitted to abandon the middle class, or destroy it through its misbegotten policies. But let us have no illusions about this. We are now in a fucked up mess, and it will take years to rebuild this economy, assuming that we can get rid of Obama, and get someone in like Hillary who knows what they are doing, and will say no to the globalists when what they are proposing would be harmful to the American People. We need an advocate for our interests, rather than a propped up fool like Obama who can be led around by the nose.

  56. mj: “the Republican Party still parades around pushing the same ideas that got us into this mess; privatize everything, lower taxes for rich people, make cuts to social programs like Medicare and Social Security, deregulate. Frankly, their agenda got us into this financial mess. Obama may have failed to get us out, but I don’t think the answer lies with the Party that got us in.”

    This is, in essence, what Bill Clinton told Floridians when he endorsed Hendrick Meek.

    “Just two years ago everyone was talking about the demise of the Republican Party. I wouldn’t bury the Democrats just yet. This current crop in charge has to go, but I do hope something better rises up, because the Republicans are not the answer, and it has nothing to do with mere labels. They have a hardcore ideology that has only become more hard right in the last two years, not more moderate.”

    I agree with you up to the last sentence, then no. I get the impression that Steele and Palin are working hand in hand to drive out the neocons, who are the worst of the worst because they were 100% behind Dubya and in total control of the R party, Congress and White House for 6 years, and they (Steele/Palin) are trying to bring together what they call “conservatives”, which is not at all the same thing as “neoconservative”. The latter are monsters.

    “Conservatives” I can take. Given my socialist (or Progressive, in American parlance) views, I don’t agree with Conservatives on just about anything; but I think they represent a current of opinion that is widespread in American society, and I think the US political scene should result from a tug-of-war between popular progressive and popular conservative forces.

    What we have now is elitism, or corporatism, on both the Repug and Dim sides. There is nothing popular on either side. What is needed is a populist in the White House, and we just may get that in 2012, with either the conservative maverick “Country First” Palin or the progressive Hillary.

    In the meantime, we have to keep our sights on making o a lame duck starting in NOvember, and that means voting Repug.

  57. “As the son of exiles, I know it is possible to lose your country, because my parents lost theirs.”

    That is what Marco Rubio said in his latest video. It is powerful. It appeals to Americans in general and Hispanics in particular. And it targets Obama not by name, but in the name of “the policies coming out of Washington” of which the dribbler is definitely author, sponsor and cheerleader. I wonder how Jim Webb (D-Va) is feeling right now.

  58. HWC

    Why aren’t we organizing a mmoderate, centrist progressive party to affect the Dem party like the tea party has pressured the Repugs?

  59. Sheesh! They just don’t get it. I’ve got prediction for Maril and all the other idiot media out there: It’s just a feeling, but if Barack Obama skids too much in the popularity polls the next two years, the dims will drop him in the garbage dumpt and if there is any justice out there, sign up HILLARY to run for POTUS.

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    DAVID MARIL: Don’t count Hillary Clinton out of another run for White House.By Enterprise staff

    The Enterprise
    Posted Aug 28, 2010

    Here’s a prediction you better not try to take to the bank. It’s just a feeling, but if Barack Obama skids too much in the popularity polls the next two years, he’s going to find a way to gracefully retire Joe Biden and sign up Hillary Clinton.

    Obama is a pragmatic politician and Clinton would give him a positive jolt, helping unite the dysfunctional Democratic party, which seems to be pulling in several different directions. The far left feels Obama’s war policy in the Middle East is too hawkish. The moderates of the party feel Obama has lost control of the domestic budget. And the so-called Reagan Democrats want to see immigration reform and tighter boarder security. You hear voters from each of these groups saying they are somewhat disappointed with the president and they have not gotten the results they expected when they helped him get elected. It’s a pretty tough situation when some members of your own party feel you are too liberal while others believe you are too conservative.

    Adding Hillary Clinton would help re-energize the party and draw attention away from all of the problems whoever is in the White House will have to face.

    You might wonder why Hillary would be amenable to running in the VP slot. The biggest reason is if an Obama-Clinton ticket won in 2012, it would give her the inside edge to secure the party nomination in 2016, if she wants to run at age 69.

    If Hillary was added to the ticket, it would be done in a way that is respectful to Biden. He will be 70 years old at the beginning of what would be Obama’s second term and in place of being vice president, he’d be assigned an impressive sounding task to focus on while “finally being able to spend more time with family.”

    Democrats will never admit it, but Obama may be better served if the Republicans do get a majority in Congress in November. That way, during the tough times, Obama can blame the Republicans for being a negative factor and hampering his effectiveness in dealing with the country’s major problems. If the Democrats maintain a slim majority, he will be held 100 percent responsible even though the Republicans have enough muscle to stymie him.

    In the world of politics, criticism can be more valuable and helpful than praise. When Sarah Palin criticized Republican Scott Brown for not being conservative enough she was actually helping him within his Massachusetts voting territory. Brown’s survival in the Senate rests on luring middle ground Democrats over to vote for him and they would be driven away by any endorsement from Palin that connects to her right-wing agenda.

    A similar case can be made for one former Massachusetts governor, Michael Dukakis, giving another one, Mitt Romney, a boost by recently criticizing his performance as governor and saying he wouldn’t make a good president. The Republican crowd that Romney hopes to attract is not going to support anyone the liberal Dukakis praises.

    It’s still early and maybe she’ll improve her timing, but, so far, Christiane Amanpour is a detriment hosting ABC’s Sunday morning news discussion show. She talks too much and is clearly interfering with her panel of commentators.. The network could have saved a lot of money and had a better product if they’d promoted from within and made Jake Tapper the permanent host, replacing George Stephanopoulos.

    http://www.enterprisenews.com/opinions/opinions_columnists/x336130657/DAVID-MARIL-Don-t-count-Hillary-Clinton-out-of-another-run-for-White-House

  60. Guess who’s coming to dinner

    By RON KAMPEAS\ JTA
    29/08/2010

    Wednesday’s White House guest list.

    The White House dinner on Wednesday, on the eve of the official launch of renewed Palestinian-Israeli talks, will be key to outlining the contours of the negotiations.

    “The dinner will help to restore trust,” Dennis Ross, the Obama administration’s top Iran-policy official, said in a conference call last Friday with Jewish organizational leaders. Unless, that is, it turns into a food fight.

    Until the dinner, the exact issues to be negotiated will remain unknown. What we do know is who will be there and where they’re coming from. Here’s a preview.

    Binyamin Netanyahu – prime minister

    The proposed talks will mark the second time that the 60- year-old Netanyahu has engaged in negotiations with a Palestinian partner under US pressure.

    Last time, in 1997, while facing then-president Bill Clinton and PLO chairman Yasser Arafat, Netanyahu ceded a degree of control around Hebron to the Palestinians. He has since suggested that he regrets the concession: He was recorded as telling a grieving settler family in 2001 that his agreement was little more than a ruse to keep a hostile administration at bay. Also, his revered father, historian Benzion Netanyahu, now aged 100, was known to be unhappy with the concession.

    Having completed a slow climb back to the premiership after his plunge in popularity following his first term, from 1996 to 1999, Netanyahu reportedly sees himself in a much stronger position vis-avis Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and US President Barack Obama than he was with Arafat and Clinton.

    Netanyahu wants to get security issues out of the way before he talks final-status issues such as Jerusalem, borders and refugees. Making sure that he has a plan to protect Israelis will be key in the effort to pitch concessions to an Israeli public still wary of the pounding Israel took after it withdrew unilaterally from the Gaza Strip in 2005.

    The immediate question for Netanyahu is whether he’ll extend the self-imposed, partial, 10-month settlement construction freeze that is set to expire at midnight on September 26. If he doesn’t, Abbas has said he’ll quit the talks.

    Mahmoud Abbas – PA president

    Mahmoud Abbas, 75, is a successor to Arafat who has been far less problematic for his Western allies but far less esteemed by the Palestinian people. His nadir came when Hamas gunmen drove the PA out of Gaza in a bloody coup in June 2007. Since then, Abbas has tried to reestablish his Fatah party and the PA as the inevitable repository of Palestinian ambitions for statehood.

    Negotiations are the only way for Abbas and his prime minister, Salaam Fayyad, to demonstrate to the Palestinian people that diplomacy trumps violence as a means to statehood.

    Abbas insists that Israel agree to a permanent settlement freeze, and he wants to make sure the talks get to the final-status issues as soon as possible so he can show his constituents that he is reaping the benefits of cooperation.

    Barack Obama – US president

    It is tempting to cast the haste with which Obama, 49, has organized these talks for early September as a sign of his panic at the prospect of November 2’s congressional elections that seem likely to result in heavy losses for the Democratic Party.

    However, such an analysis would ignore the fact that Obama was pressing hard for talks months ago, when his approval ratings were much higher; it would also disregard America’s broader foreign policy strategy in the region.

    For the United States, having the talks now gives Netanyahu a reason to extend his settlement moratorium and thereby sustain Arab support for US policies elsewhere in the Middle East. This support is seen as key while Obama attempts to juggle other crises in the region, including Iraq’s vexed attempts to set up a government and the simmering concern over Iran’s accelerating nuclear ambitions.

    A peace treaty also would signal US strength in the region; a Palestinian state would allow Arab governments leeway in explaining to their populace why they are aligning with a US effort to isolate the Iranian theocracy.

    The US posture has been to insist that these are Israeli-PA direct talks, but Obama has not been shy about threatening direct intervention if there are stumbles.

    Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and Jordanian King Abdullah

    The United States sees both these figures as critical to making the talks – and, eventually, Palestinian statehood – work.

    Egypt maintains some sway over Hamas, and controls access to a major entry point into Gaza. Jordan has been deeply involved in helping to train the PA police force, and would be a natural outlet for a resurgent Palestinian economy.

    Mubarak, 82, is known to be ill and eager to transfer power smoothly to his son, Gamal; containing the Gaza problem and playing a role in birthing a Palestinian state would provide a much-needed boost to Mubarak rule.

    Abdullah, 48, is also eager to contain Islamist extremism and has in recent years positioned his regime as a bridge between the West and the Muslim world. The emergence of a Palestinian state in the West Bank would also help to quell the notion that Abdullah’s kingdom, where the majority of the population is Palestinian, should be the Palestinian state.

    Hillary Clinton – US secretary of state

    Clinton, 62, is set to play the role of the primary broker at the peace talks. Beginning on Thursday, she will host the first substantive talks Israeli and Palestinian leaders will have had since 2000. That is a sign of Obama’s increasing confidence in his one-time bitter rival for the Democratic presidential nomination.

    Clinton aides have leaked to the press their frustration with the perceived limits on her role, saying she has been kept out of the big games. That is changing, as evidenced not only by her newly central role in these talks, but also in her recent frontline exposure as she urged her former Senate colleagues to support new arms treaties with Russia.

    Israelis have been hoping for Clinton’s return, despite her role in March in dressing down Netanyahu over an Interior Ministry committee’s announcement, during a visit by US Vice President Joe Biden, of a large housing start in eastern Jerusalem’s Ramat Shlomo neighborhood. Clinton long has been seen as having strong emotional ties to Israel – ties that Israelis feel Obama lacks.

    http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=186302

  61. Cordoba Mosque Developer Tax Deadbeat

    The more we learn about the developer the less likely it seems the mosque will get off the ground.

    The NY Post reports that Gamal has a signficant unpaid tax bill :

    Sharif El-Gamal, the leading organizer behind the mosque and community center near Ground Zero, owes $224,270.77 in back property tax on the site, city records show.

    El-Gamal’s company, 45 Park Place Partners, failed to pay its half-yearly bills in January and July, according to the city Finance Department.

    The delinquency is a possible violation of El-Gamal’s lease with Con Edison, which owns half of the proposed building site on Park Place. El-Gamal owns the other half but must pay taxes on the entire parcel.

    The lease agreement, obtained by The Post, specifies that El-Gamal’s company pay taxes on the property and submit receipts to Con Ed.

    The utility said it would have to review any possible lease violations.

    That’s not the only stumbling block for the project, says the Post:

    Before any building can go forward, the developers also must get approval from the MTA because the 2 and 3 subway lines run under a portion of the Park Place property, The Post has learned.

    How brilliant for Bloomberg and Obama to tie themselves to a falling boulder.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/mosque_big_owes_tax_rNN0l21LN43U6WhTmIawSP#ixzz0y0AhSq9g

  62. Why aren’t we organizing a mmoderate, centrist progressive party to affect the Dem party like the tea party has pressured the Repugs?
    ————————————
    Because we are not serious about our values. Prior to the convention, I met with a group of PUMAS who were planning to do something at the convention and could not quite decide what. The organizer of the event was a microsoft type who I liked and she was interested in carrying the torch for womens rights. Her boyfriend was there and he served the non alcoholic refreshments. There were a lesbian couple there who were pretty set in their view on how this should be handled. They wanted to do it all on their own, and wanted no ones help. And there was a bald headed late middle aged man there who was very conspiratorial, who proffered ideas on how difficult this would be to face down the Obama forces. I guess he worked in government, but he would not give me his name, and when I approached him after the meeting he said I have to go and ran out the door. I asked my host what that was about and she said he was afraid of being seen with us, but my later hunch was that he was a spy. At that time, I was trying to broker a PUMA meeting with the McCain campaign plus get the attention of superdelates who were afraid to return phone calls. If my experience is any indication, then there is your answer.

  63. The optimal scenario is the one which Admin has described before in dialectic terms–thesis, anti thesis–synthesis. A Democratic Party which fights for the legitimate rights of Americans and supports the middle class. A Republican Party which reinforces our individualist traditions and minds the store.
    *******
    That dialectic breaks down when the two parties are in fact one party. It was just a little suspicious during the Bush/Cheney years that the Dems whined and wailed about the pro-corporatist legislation but it always passed. Now the rethugs whine and wail about the Obama “socialist” legislation the benefits wall street, banksters, big insurance, etc. However, after a lot of drama for the gullible base of each party, the legislation becomes law after a couple of rethugs, blue dog or “liberal” Dems cave in. I can absolutely, fucking guarantee that the lobbyists and the corrupt political establishment are clicking glasses at DC parties, laughing their asses off at the stupidity of the American people.

  64. “Why aren’t we organizing a mmoderate, centrist progressive party to affect the Dem party like the tea party has pressured the Repugs?”
    ___________________________

    The Clintons have no intention of deviating from the party of FDR. They are all about once again returning the Democratic Party to it’s proven working model. A model that works for and benefits the People. It’s pretty obvious Bill is purging the dem party by simply hand picking one by one a future Clinton ally in the Primaries. I suspect by Nov it will be more obvious who are the chosen. Essentially, Sarah Palin is doing the same thing on the Republican side. (My last count is 3 out of 5 candidates she endorsed won their primary.)

    Our friend Newt is busy once again trying to shut down Congress one again like he did in 95′. This time for a chaotic two years.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2010/04/13/gingrich-shutdown-obama/

    We have to remember it was the Republicans who laid the foundation for Obama to wreak havoc in America. They never demanded Obama provide proof of his birth during the run up to the election.. they can not be trusted.

  65. I get the impression that Steele and Palin are working hand in hand to drive out the neocons, who are the worst of the worst because they were 100% behind Dubya and in total control of the R party, Congress and White House for 6 years, and they (Steele/Palin) are trying to bring together what they call “conservatives”, which is not at all the same thing as “neoconservative”.

    ====================

    I have that impression too. Didn’t McCain say he chose Palin to be the ‘new face of the GOP’?

  66. The optimal scenario is the one which Admin has described before in dialectic terms–thesis, anti thesis–synthesis.

    ============================

    We saw it work, too.

    Dem – thesis
    GOP – anti-thesis
    Bill Clinton – synthesis – ‘triangulation’, third way

    Use our tools to fix your car, and vv.

    Example welfare reform. Problem: welfare generations, or whatever they called it. GOP didn’t like that on-going never changing situation, one generation after another of the same families living permanently on welfare.

    Tool: Bill’s “Putting People First.” A few MORE of the RIGHT welfare benefits — education, child care, etc — which enabled the recipients to qualilfy for jobs so they could get OFF welfare.

  67. I get the impression that Steele and Palin are working hand in hand to drive out the neocons, who are the worst of the worst because they were 100% behind Dubya and in total control of the R party, Congress and White House for 6 years, and they (Steele/Palin) are trying to bring together what they call “conservatives”, which is not at all the same thing as “neoconservative”.

    ====================

    I have that impression too. Didn’t McCain say he chose Palin to be the ‘new face of the GOP’?
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    1. steele is disliked by grass roots conservatives. They believe he is a proligate spender with no results to show for it. They wanted him fired.

    2. mccain did not want palin. He wanted lieberman. There were problems between McCain people and Sarah, and McCain did not intervene. McCain waffled when he was asked whether she should be presidential candidate. She was chosen by the party in an effort to shore up McCains bad record with conservatives and in the hope that some Hillary supporters would go with her.

    3. sarah is pro American People and against the elites. Some of them are in both parties, and big media is full of them. That is why she is a target of choice for people like Gibson and others.

  68. Dem – thesis
    GOP – anti-thesis
    Bill Clinton – synthesis – ‘triangulation’, third way
    ——————
    True.

  69. That dialectic breaks down when the two parties are in fact one party. It was just a little suspicious during the Bush/Cheney years that the Dems whined and wailed about the pro-corporatist legislation but it always passed. Now the rethugs whine and wail about the Obama “socialist” legislation the benefits wall street, banksters, big insurance, etc. However, after a lot of drama for the gullible base of each party, the legislation becomes law after a couple of rethugs, blue dog or “liberal” Dems cave in. I can absolutely, fucking guarantee that the lobbyists and the corrupt political establishment are clicking glasses at DC parties, laughing their asses off at the stupidity of the American people.
    ————————–
    Also true.

  70. Carol: “Why aren’t we organizing a mmoderate, centrist progressive party to affect the Dem party like the tea party has pressured the Repugs?”

    wbboei: “Because we are not serious about our values.”

    Not serious about our values? Or issues?

    Our big problem has not been values or issues, but that we are hung up on the matter of personal character of the politicians we are willing to vote in or out. We were spoiled by Hillary and, when we couldn’t have her, many of us went for McCain/Palin despite the fact that they were way off tune from us on a whole range of issues. As the McCain camp said early in the general, “This election will not be about issues, but about character.” …which sent Biden into a fit.

    But the McCain camp was right. With McCain, we had a conservative we could argue with and “educate”, while with o nobody could say what we were getting except a corrupt Chicago pol. A blob of protoplasm without character. McCain was someone who could make hard decisions and act in the country’s interest as he saw it, and would be held in check by a Dem congress. o, on the other hand, would make no decisions and would let the country go to the highest bidder.

    We’re still fighting this fight for character. The issues and values are important, but they are secondary to us. The hard thing for me to accept is that a number of men and women of good character and going to be knocked out in November. Gillibrand, for example, might not win her race. Any news of her?

  71. #
    wbboei
    August 29th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Dem – thesis
    GOP – anti-thesis
    Bill Clinton – synthesis – ‘triangulation’, third way
    ——————
    True.
    ___________________________

    Bill Clinton is an FDR democrat and so is Hillary. There is nothing Triangulating about it.

  72. LOL.. and why do they need an ambulance in the motorcade? Did they do that for every other president?

    Just after 11 a.m. this morning, the president’s motorcade left the family’s vacation estate, Blue Heron Farm, and drove to Edgartown for a day at a private beach near Oyster Pond off Pohogonot Road, according to White House press pool reports

    The entire family – Obama, wife Michelle and daughters Sasha, 9, and Malia, 12 – took the trip.

    Unlike most of the motorcade’s rides across the island during the president’s vacation, which were choreographed to perfection by Secret Service agents and state police officers, the trip hit a snag when the grouping of about a dozen vehicles appeared to miss the turn onto Pohogonot Road, where the beach was located.

    In the middle of Edgartown-West Tisbury Road, the motorcade, consisting of several SUVs, an ambulance and a half-dozen state police motorcycles, executed a U-turn and headed down to Oyster Pond Road , where they apparently headed to the beach.

    The snafu caused a roadblock for a couple of minutes while the large number of vehicles turned around.

    from http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100828/NEWS11/100829771/-1/NEWS
    saw it first on michelle’s mirror blog (comments are nasty but the posts are sometimes witty and fun.)

  73. Dem – thesis
    GOP – anti-thesis
    Bill Clinton – synthesis – ‘triangulation’, third way
    ——————
    True.
    ___________________________

    Bill Clinton is an FDR democrat and so is Hillary. There is nothing Triangulating about it.

    ====================

    This sort of problem solving IS exactly what ‘triangulating’ DID mean when Bill was doing it. Since then, his enemies have tried to change the meaning of ‘triangulating’ to something bad: giving in, or a split the difference compromise.

    Now that people are beginning to appreciate the Clintons more, the word ‘triangulating’ is being used by some in its original, good, sense again.

  74. when I heard the ‘left’ and democratic pundits responding to Beck and his rally yesterday I thought these people are so tone deaf…so out of touch with reality…so out of touch with the pain, anger and fear of average people these days…that it is they – the O admin and his cheerleaders – who are the ones so ‘out of the mainstream’

    …to hear the likes of Joe Klien, CM, Sharpton, the whole cabal go on and on with their snobbish insults and above it all remarks is so annoying…they all live in the same DC/NYC “elitist bubble” and just keep repeating the same sentiments they all agree with over and over again…now that is really TEDIOUS and so predicable…

    …and they sound ridiculous and offensive to many moderate dems, dems that have become independents and independents…they just do not get that we do not agree with them and they are insulting us as well…

    …Just why do they think all those people are fleeing the Democratic party and it is in such trouble???

    yes, we want our country back…what don ‘t they get about that? we would like jobs and a sense of normalcy for average people that are tettering on a cliff…

    we would like to hear what concerns US, the American people, as the priority issues rather than every other thing the dim majority can come up with to avoid job creation…and all the while they are golfing, bike riding, singing, dancing, playing…whatever this admin can do to avoid the urgency of the fears of the middle class as it breaks apart and stands at the abyss…

    …and then there is the stark irony that all of these lelftie pundits have been going on and on and on about the ‘rights’ of the muslims to have their mosque at ground zero, regardless of the pain of the victims…and yet, other americans, in their estimation, have alot of nerve staging a rally at the DC monuments and where MLK spoke…hypocrisy anyone??? they are labeled racists terrorists…

    I think, one of the most outrageous and disappointing things I heard is to hear one of my former favorites, Bill Press, former head of the California Dem party, go on to associate Beck and the tea party to Al Queda terrorists…

    so let me get this straight…muslim mosque at ground zero ok, but 300,000 Americans making a statement in DC (whether you agree with them or not) is likened to a terrorist act…and this while we are fighting two wars to give other people the right to the freedom that the lefties are against for some americans here in our country…

    …this is in the same vent as the Immigration issue…protect everyone else and their feelings, but screw what they american people are concerned about because they just pay the bills and are a bunch of racists if they don’t see everything they way the left wants it…

    what has bothered me about my party – the dems – since my eyes were really opened during the primaries is our extreme, or our left, actually wants to silence and stifle and demonize and destroy any oppostion and that includes what they did to Hillary, now Palin, the tea party, etc…they do not care about freedom…they want total control…and they will lie if they must…

    …what makes me laugh is when i think back to when the “left” was in the streets…did you ever watch one of those rallies on c-span…with the ‘fringe’ elements of the left…socialist party, communist party and some really frightening characters screaming at the podiums….hmmm, the leftie pundits never seem to notice them…selective observations at work…

    ***************

    and one last thing I cannot understand…again, from another of my favorites…Debbie Wasserman Schultz….why is Debbie going all over tv reporting over and over again that the O admin is CREATING 100,000 PRIVATE JOBS A MONTH…and no one is calling her on this lie…

    …frankly when I see Debbie, of all people, doing this over and over again, I think the current Dim party is lost to us all…there is no honesty and no real people in there working for us…it is all about protecting their little clubs and power turfs…

  75. With McCain, we had a conservative we could argue with and “educate”

    ============

    That’s how I see Palin. She, like Bill, finds solutions so good and creative that both sides can agree on them — triangulating in Bill’s sense.

    Oddly, someone else who uses the concept though not the word, is Huckabee. Dunno what his record is on actually FINDING such solutions though.

  76. “2. mccain did not want palin. He wanted lieberman. …. She was chosen by the party”

    Someone else might have been first choice, but McCain described his own reasons for eventually choosing Palin. Either he was sincere at least at the convention, or he is a canny actor….

    The problems you describe below happened after the convention, after the media attacked Palin.

    ” There were problems between McCain people and Sarah, and McCain did not intervene. McCain waffled when he was asked whether she should be presidential candidate.”

    McCain was pretty wimpy about a lot of things. However a more complete text of the talk about Sarah as next POTUS candidate sounded to me like a legitimate refusal to favor one Republican over another, 4 years in advance! It wasn’t ‘Sarah may not be qualified’ but ‘There are several qualified people.’ Endorsing any one of them so far in advacne would not be good for the party.

  77. The word “Triangulation” is a word invented by Dick Morris. There is no legitimate meaning of the word in Websters Dictionary. Therefore, it is used randomly whenever someone decides to further proffer their own theoretical hypothesis as Truth.

  78. It’s pretty obvious Bill is purging the dem party by simply hand picking one by one a future Clinton ally in the Primaries. I suspect by Nov it will be more obvious who are the chosen. Essentially, Sarah Palin is doing the same thing on the Republican side. (My last count is 3 out of 5 candidates she endorsed won their primary.)

    ====================

    Yes. So let’s help Bill by voting for those he supports. Punish the Bots, not the Clintonites.

    Last I heard, Palin got 5 out of 5 winners (depending on the absentees in Miller/Murkowski).

  79. Not serious about our values? Or issues?

    Our big problem has not been values or issues, but that we are hung up on the matter of personal character of the politicians we are willing to vote in or out. We were spoiled by Hillary and, when we couldn’t have her, many of us went for McCain/Palin despite the fact that they were way off tune from us on a whole range of issues. As the McCain camp said early in the general, “This election will not be about issues, but about character.” …which sent Biden into a fit.

    But the McCain camp was right. With McCain, we had a conservative we could argue with and “educate”, while with o nobody could say what we were getting except a corrupt Chicago pol. A blob of protoplasm without character. McCain was someone who could make hard decisions and act in the country’s interest as he saw it, and would be held in check by a Dem congress. o, on the other hand, would make no decisions and would let the country go to the highest bidder.

    We’re still fighting this fight for character. The issues and values are important, but they are secondary to us. The hard thing for me to accept is that a number of men and women of good character and going to be knocked out in November. Gillibrand, for example, might not win her race. Any news of her?
    ————————–
    I do not mean you or me or the people on this blog. I mean others who claim to be Democrats. They define themselves not by who they are, but with reference to Republicans. They do not examine where the party is going, and are to that extent perfect marks. They talk a good game, but when they are asked to contribute time or money to restoring the democratic party to what it once was, my experience teaches me that they are not serious. The founding fathers were serious to the point that they pledged their lives, fortunes and sacred honor. Too many democrats still take their marching orders from Oprah, and too few are willing to repudiate Obama when he lies to them and betrays their values.

  80. The word “Triangulation” is a word invented by Dick Morris.

    ==================

    It was invented by someone in the Clinton camp during the period when Morris was working for Bill. It was defined then as ‘third way’ or what we’ve been calling ‘synthesis’. Later Clinton’s enemies tried to redefine it (and by that time Morris had become an enemy).

    Huckabee described a similar concept pretty well, iirc, just not using that word.

  81. Close turndown, by as usual, not close enough. Here is a direct quote with attribution.

    “And it’s pretty much agreed that the term was invented by Clinton advisor Dick Morris to describe the approach used by the Clinton-Gore campaign in its successful 1996 re-election campaign. Indeed, beyond Morris, no one associated with either Clinton has ever, so far as I am aware, used the term; it’s become entirely pejorative.

    http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/strategist/2007/10/defining_triangulation.php

  82. “muslim mosque at ground zero”

    ================

    People keep saying this and wonder why they’re being called stupid.

  83. Very few politicians have the guts to bite the hand that feeds them. Few have enough money and self confidence to look the monied interests in the eye and say get out. FDR was an aristocrat, but he was the tribune for the common man. He subpoenaed JP Morgan to testify before Congress, survived a capitalist plot to depose him and told the country I welcome their emnity–meaning that of the capitalists. We will be in deep kaka until we find another leader who is willing to do that. Why? Because they are the ones who ultimately control the system. It is an honor and a mark of courage to be called an FDR democrat. It is like the story of David and Goliath.

  84. Aw, I expect a few other people used the term at the time.

    Restoring the word ‘triangulation’ may be a lost cause now. But we can at least understand that different people mean different things by it, and that in the 90s it meant Bill’s good ‘third way’. Which of course his enemies are probably also redefining.

    But we don’t need to help them redefine Bill’s successes into faults.

  85. O admin is CREATING 100,000 PRIVATE JOBS A MONTH…and no one is calling her on this lie…
    ————————————-
    Because it is true. Though divine will. And despite seven vacations. The only problem is those jobs are mostly in China. Wasserman needs to submit to a bullshit detector.

  86. pm317, I have been questioning the need for this ambulance for months and no one comments about it…..I know they always had one for Cheney because of his heart condition so why do we have one for Obama….he is supposed to be Mr. athletic and Mr. healthy. So why???

    He has lost lots of weight because I watched some videos of him in 07′ and he is alot more filled out….something is wrong with him physically and there again they are lying to the American people.

  87. confloyd said:
    I have been questioning the need for this ambulance for months and no one comments about it…..I know they always had one for Cheney because of his heart condition so why do we have one for Obama….he is supposed to be Mr. athletic and Mr. healthy. So why???

    =========================

    Because he has two young children?

    Because he thinks he can walk on water?

  88. I knew this murkowski was no good. Her ties to BP are a matter of record. Now she is talking about doing a specter, or if you like a crist: if she loses the primary to the tea party candidate, she plans to run as an independent or a libertarian or something. They just cannot let loose of the reins of power. If she does not get the Republican nomination, she show eschew the embarrassment of losing as an independent, and do what she has been doing all along which is serving the interests of big oil, only this time do it as a lobbyist rather than behind the cover of a senate job, which is supposed to represent the people and the constitution.

  89. Mrs.Smith, Well if Newt starts talking about shutting down the government and he is the candidate, what are we to do then??? I can’t stand Newt!

    Obama just has to step down!

  90. turndown, That is not the answer, there is definitely something they are hiding….they hid Kennedy’s Addison’s….Ronald Raygun’s Altzheimer’s….they are hiding something for this ridiculous POS.

    BTW, he is about to speechify again in New Orleans….I’m nauseated today and now I have to listen to this idiot again…..Ovomit!

  91. turndownobama
    August 29th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
    “muslim mosque at ground zero”

    ================

    People keep saying this and wonder why they’re being called stupid.
    ***************************************************

    can’t tell if you are calling me stupid…i think you may have lectured me about the difference between a primary and a caucus, if that wasn’t you please disregard

    **********************

    my point is…why is the left so concerned with the feelings of the american muslims and the mosque but the americans at beck rally are terrorists and racists…

    if i did not make that essential point clear to you turndownobama i hope you understand the hypocrisy i was pointing out now…

    the point is we are all americans, not just the ones the left wants to single out for approval…kind of like we are all women who should be concerned with women’s rights, not the ones we found out on the left only care about the women that agree with them…the rest can fend for themselves…

    the point is the hypocrisy not semantics…

  92. RESTORING HONOR–an email I received apropos of same. The subject is illegal immigration and a party that refuses to protect the nation against the loss of its sovereignty. The party of Obama.
    ———————————————–
    The email says:

    LET ME SEE IF I GOT THIS RIGHT
    >
    > IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER
    ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR
    >
    > IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY
    YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
    >
    > IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY,
    YOU GET SHOT.
    >
    > IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER
    ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.
    >
    > IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY
    YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.
    >
    > IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER
    ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.
    >
    > IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY
    YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.
    >
    > BUT,
    >
    > IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY
    YOU GET
    >
    > 1 – A JOB,
    > 2 – A DRIVERS LICENSE,
    > 3 – SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
    > 4 – WELFARE,
    > 5 – FOOD STAMPS,
    > 6 – CREDIT CARDS,
    > 7 – SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A
    HOUSE,
    > 8 – FREE EDUCATION,
    > 9 – FREE HEALTH CARE,
    > 10 – A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON
    > 11 – BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC
    DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE
    > 12 – AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY’S
    FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON’T GET ENOUGH RESPECT
    >
    >
    > I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM
    GRASP OF THE SITUATION – BEFORE WE VOTE ALL THE UNPRINCIPLED PIGS OUT OF
    CONGRESS IN NOVEMBER!
    >

  93. BO is speechifying on TV right now. Here’s what he is saying, “Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, Super Bowl Champions, blah, blah, blah.” Well there you have the entire essense of his talk. He is pointing his finger a whole lot as he is reading from his tellie.

  94. It is a Ground Zero Mosque, I have muslim friends who call it a Ground Zero Victory Mosque and that is what I will continue to call it. And that is how a overwhelming number of Americans see it, I guess they are stupid as well, perhaps racists as well, ah , what the heck, lets all throw in calling them bigots as well.

  95. frankly I agree with the POV Johnsmart and think he gets it right…

    johnwsmart.wordpress.com/2010/08/28/how-to-ensure-the-democrats-keep-the-house/

    both sides pick sides to use for their agendas…

    and a lot of us are sick of it all…

    i also hold no hopes that the repubs have learned their lessons for why they got thrown out…and they will come back into office and continue their stealing, their own lack of fiscal restraint for their pet projects, they own overreach once again… and waste time and do their own distracting…

    but at least with some oppostion we will get some moderation while the curren O dims learn that we are not buying what they are selling…and they are forced to get back to the basics for the survival of the middle class

    funny, newsweek doing that big piece on how O got rolled by Wall St…and Huffy Post with the big banner shouting out ‘how wall st rolled O’

    …we are not buying it, O did not do anything he did not want to do…he rolls with WS…who are they kidding?

  96. O admin is CREATING 100,000 PRIVATE JOBS A MONTH…and no one is calling her on this lie…
    ********
    Obviously “trickle down” lying from the Messiah. There may have been a week or month (?) during the first two quarters of 2010 where this may have been true but as presented on the Fox interview, she was lying her ass off.

    (snip)
    “The staggering growth in long-term unemployment, nearing levels unseen since the Great Depression, was reflected in a rise in the number of Americans who have used up their traditional benefits and are now collecting emergency extended payments. That figure rose by more than 309,000 to 5.59 million in the week ended July 31.
    (snip)
    “Peter Morici, a business professor at the University of Maryland, estimates that the economy would have to generate nearly 300,000 jobs a month over the next three years to meet the administration’s forecast of 6.8 percent unemployment by the end of 2013. Even in the first half of 2010, when the economy was growing at about 3 percent, the private sector added fewer than 100,000 jobs a month”
    (snip)
    “Another negative report issued Thursday further underscored the downward economic trend. The Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia released its latest survey of manufacturing activity in the region encompassing eastern Pennsylvania, southern New Jersey and Delaware. Economists had expected the report to show a rise in the Fed’s manufacturing index from positive 5.1 in July to positive 7.5 for August. Instead, the Fed reported a drop in its index to negative 7.7, the first contraction since July 2009.

    Any reading below zero indicates a decline in manufacturing activity. The Fed noted that optimism among manufacturing executives “has waned in recent months.” The report also showed a decline in both the number of manufacturing employees and the length of the workweek.”

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/aug2010/jobs-a20.shtml

    The Commies have been the best at credible research and hard numbers in order to call bullshit on the disaster now occasionally living at 1600 Penn Ave, NW.

  97. #
    confloyd
    August 29th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Mrs.Smith, Well if Newt starts talking about shutting down the government and he is the candidate, what are we to do then??? I can’t stand Newt!

    Obama just has to step down!
    __________________

    Newt squandered his chance in the 90s to show the country real leadership. Instead, his maniacal glut for power and showing off center stage backfired when he tried to humiliate and embarrass President Clinton by shutting down Congress. Newt would be just another invasive garden variety pest as is the Obama presidency. Neither one of them have the best interests of the people at heart. If narcissism was a flower and the District of Columbia was a state, it would be the state flower of Washington, DC because of it’s natural presence.

  98. jeswezey
    August 29th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    you ask about Gillibrand. I have met her and heard her speak and thought she would be a good senator. However, something happened when she went to DC. Schumer and friends pretty much have her in line. I’m sure the DC pols have lots of things to threatten and pressure her with. She caved on some things she shouldn’t have caved on.

    I have been thinking about whether or not I can / will vote for her. We need senators who are strong enough to put representing people first and representing the party and their own self interest second.

  99. Has anyone watched Laura Ingram today on Fox….she apparently the former speech writer of GW on today. He writes a column and according to Laura, he sounds like a liberal….an Obama liberal. He is totally against the “tea party” and against those right wing conservatives. It was such a eye opener. He was/is the epitomy of a RINO! Laura nailed him on that, so I think the republican party is as split as the dim party.

  100. wbboei
    August 29th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
    Very few politicians have the guts to bite the hand that feeds them. Few have enough money and self confidence to look the monied interests in the eye and say get out. FDR was an aristocrat, but he was the tribune for the common man. He subpoenaed JP Morgan to testify before Congress, survived a capitalist plot to depose him and told the country I welcome their emnity–meaning that of the capitalists. We will be in deep kaka until we find another leader who is willing to do that. Why? Because they are the ones who ultimately control the system. It is an honor and a mark of courage to be called an FDR democrat. It is like the story of David and Goliath.
    ________________

    Hi wbboei: I seem to recall that FDR’s grandson was on the Rules and By-Laws Committee held on May 31, 2008 and that he voted with the people who set the way for Obama by guaranteeing that he had the delegates. Am I correct on that?

  101. Obviously FDR’s own grandson did not get the testicular fortitude or the brains of his grandfather. I remember him and he was a jerk….I hope he retires with Obama…they probably belongs to the same “mans club” as Obama!

  102. I seem to recall that FDR’s grandson was on the Rules and By-Laws Committee
    ********
    He was the “Big Health” shill that made sure that the deals cut with the Obama handlers for what ended up as Obama-care, wasn’t derailed by HRC.

    James Roosevelt, Jr:

    “He has also served as chief legal counsel for the Massachusetts Democratic Party. He is past chairman of the board of trustees for the Massachusetts Hospital Association, past president of the American Health Lawyers Association and past chairman of the board of trustees for Mount Auburn Hospital. Currently, Roosevelt serves as chairman of the board of directors for Massachusetts Association of Health Plans, and as a member of the boards at America’s Health Insurance Plans…”

    He is an example of generational “rot”…His father was a son that FDR could be proud of:

    “fter Japan’s Attack on Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt requested assignment to combat duty. He transferred to the Marine Raiders, the Marines’ commando force, and became second-in-command of the 2nd Raider Battalion under Evans Carlson. His influence helped win Presidential backing for the Raiders, who were opposed by Marine traditionalists..

    Roosevelt served with the 2nd Raiders at Midway, and in the Makin Island raid, where he earned the Navy Cross. He was given command of the new 4th Raiders, but was invalided in February 1943. He served in various staff positions during the rest of the war. In November 1943, he accompanied Army troops in the invasion of Makin, and was awarded the Silver Star by the Army. He retired from active duty in October 1945, with rank of Colonel….

  103. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-roosevelt/social-security-at-75-cri_b_677058.html

    James RooseveltPresident & CEO Tufts Health Plan
    Posted: August 11, 2010 02:33 PM

    The 75th anniversary of the signing of Social Security into law is cause for celebration as it marks a milestone of longevity and signals a promising future for one of America’s greatest social policies.

    I admit that I have a strong personal connection, having served in the Social Security Administration, and knowing that this policy, which has helped three generations of Americans, is one of my grandfather’s proudest legacies.

    My celebration is tempered by great concern. There are falsehoods and ill-informed distortions unleashed against Social Security by those who seek political gain. Their goal is to create a climate of fear around the future of Social Security. Repeatedly, they tell us that the program is bankrupting the country, paying out more than it takes in, will be made insolvent by retiring “baby boomers,” and thus unavailable to for future generations.

    The truth is that Social Security is completely solvent today, and will be into the future because it has a dedicated income stream that covers its costs and consistently generates a surplus, which today is $2.5 trillion. Estimates are that the Social Security surplus will grow to approximately $4.3 trillion in 2023, and that reserves will be sufficient to pay full benefits through the year 2037. After 2037, Social Security would still be able to pay for 78 percent of benefits even with no adjustments to revenues or benefits.

    And those “baby boomers” who are going to bust Social Security when the retire? They have been paying into the system for more than 40 years, generating the large surplus the program has accumulated. Much of the money that baby boomers are and will be drawing on from Social Security, is, and will be, their own. That fact is conveniently forgotten by the critics.

    Polls show that Social Security is popular with the public. This is not surprising given that it has lifted millions of American out of poverty and saved countless others from destitution born of disability. Moreover, nearly one in five recipients of Social Security benefits are children under the age of 18. Nevertheless, polls also show that the fear tactics are working, and that a majority of Americans do not expect to receive Social Security benefits when they retire.

    Understanding that the public will not succumb to a frontal assault on Social Security, Tea Party supporters, Libertarians and other critics advance their radical agenda by creating a “mythology of fear” trotting out themes of a program that is “in crisis,” “bankrupt,” “broke,” and, in the wake of the Madoff scandal, even a “Ponzi scheme.” They then position themselves not as wanting to eliminate Social Security but as wanting to “save, “strengthen,” and “protect” Social Security by privatizing it.

  104. confloyd
    August 29th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
    Obviously FDR’s own grandson did not get the testicular fortitude or the brains of his grandfather. I remember him and he was a jerk….I hope he retires with Obama…they probably belongs to the same “mans club” as Obama!
    ________________

    I recall feeling hopeful when I saw him on the panel. What a letdown.

  105. Turndown, So why did this idiot back Obama who said he was going to fix social security??? He clearly says there’s nothing wrong with it right and and his pick for Potus is going to destroy it….it doesn’t make sense!

  106. andyp, He is just an ordinary, asshole, nothin special about him at all….he is as out of touch as his messiah….

  107. http://mediamatters.org/research/200502160003

    James Roosevelt, Feb 2005: my grandfather [FDR] said that Social Security, when it was enacted almost 70 years ago, ought to first of all have a part that took care of people who didn’t have time to build up a Social Security account. And the government should fund that out of general revenues.

    Secondly, Social Security should have a self-sustaining portion that was funded by contributions from both employers and employees. That’s what we know and have known for 70 successful years as Social Security.

    And thirdly, those who wanted and who needed to, as many — almost everybody — did, to have a higher income and retirement, should have accounts where they could pay in voluntarily, in addition to the guaranteed Social Security benefit.

    And then my grandfather said that eventually, the self-sustaining portion of the guaranteed insurance would phase out the government-paid portion. That’s because we would have a fully functioning Social Security system as we do today.

  108. Bravo for defense of Social Security (including moveon.org, who put out something that echoes James Roosevelt’s statement about ‘myth’).

    But I wish they didn’t stop at 2012, er, 2037.

  109. confloyd
    August 29th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
    andyp, He is just an ordinary, asshole, nothin special about him at all….he is as out of touch as his messiah….
    _________________

    It appears so. I certainly have had very little use for him since the Rules & By-laws Committee Meeting. I don`t know if any of those people could do anything to redeem thmselves as politicians in my eyes. The mess they are responsible for at this point in history is just too severe to consider any of them as leaders for anything.

  110. confloyd said:
    Turndown, So why did this idiot back Obama who said he was going to fix social security??? He clearly says there’s nothing wrong with it right and and his pick for Potus is going to destroy it….it doesn’t make sense!

    ================

    Beats me. Maybe he wants people to have SS money to buy his health insurance with.

    He seemed to think Obama supported SS.

  111. SHV
    August 29th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    I seem to recall that FDR’s grandson was on the Rules and By-Laws Committee
    ********
    He was the “Big Health” shill that made sure that the deals cut with the Obama handlers for what ended up as Obama-care, wasn’t derailed by HRC.
    _________________________

    Thanks for the info, SHV. I didn’t realize he is involved in MA HC and Deval Patrick.

  112. admin, thanks for covering Glenn Beck.
    Like our girl has written, it takes a village [to clean up the horrid mess].

  113. Drudge has a story up that is developing about the remake of the Oval Office being redone. Just in time for his Tuesday night address to the american people….gee I wonder what it will look like? New carpet and drapes…didn’t they just do that when he got elected?

  114. I watched BO today doing one of his loose lips speeches and cannot remember what he was saying because i was seeing a sick person with a look of desperation in his eyes.He looks like a person on the edge of sanity and dis-beleif.Will someone please give him a shove.

  115. Confloyd, are the polystyrene greek columns back? Will it look like the inside of a BBQ ribs joint?

    with Michelles style of Decor, the oval office will probably look like a bomb went off in a badly dressed drag queens closet.

  116. Obama : “I can’t spend all of my time with my birth certificate plastered on my forehead”

    President Barack Obama dismissed a recent poll showing that a third of Americans don’t know he’s a Christian – and blamed an online campaign of misinformation by his conservative enemies for perpetuating the myth that he’s a Muslim.

    “I can’t spend all of my time with my birth certificate plastered on my forehead,” Obama told NBC Nightly News anchor Brian Williams, sitting under a tent in a rain-soaked New Orleans, where he commemorated the fifth anniversary of Hurricane Katrina.

    “The facts are the facts. We went through some of this during the campaign — there is a mechanism, a network of misinformation that in a new media era can get churned out there constantly,” said a visibly annoyed Obama, referring to “birthers,” who have waged a guerilla campaign questioning the validity of his Hawaiian birth certificate.

    ………………………………

    Well if you don’t show the real thing, what do you expect Dumbass.

  117. In other news, Michelle Obama is recycling the outgoing drapes into new dresses for herself.

    The only designer label she wears is “drip dry”.

  118. Barack Obama, wife living like a King and Queen

    PRESIDENT Barack Obama and his glamorous wife Michelle are living a life of luxury at the taxpayers’ expense, according to a bombshell new report.

    The National Enquirer says Barack has spent a fortune on parties, vacations and expensive designer clothes.

    “It’s outrageous Obama and his family are spending money like water when the rest of America is frantically tightening their belts in a desperate bid not to drown in their financial woes,” said one political insider.

    “How can he pull this kind of stunt during what amounts to a modern day depression?

    “Obama and his wife are acting like greedy, self-serving politicians, living like a king and queen on our dime. They should be sharing our misery, not spending money like it’s going out of style.

    “The Obamas seem to be totally out of touch with the American people. It’s a scandal!”

    Recent reports claimed Michelle blew $500k on a European “vacation” to get Barack back for inviting Oprah Winfrey to his Chicago birthday bash.

    “With the American economy in shambles, Michelle took off on a lavish holiday all because she was angry that Barack had invited Oprah to his private 49th birthday party,” a source said at the time.

    “Michelle decided to punish Barack, so she bought expensive clothing and designer dresses plus jewelry while staying in a luxury resort — not realizing how the public would react back home. Her selfish spending spree really backfired!

    “Michelle also bought an expensive necklace and bracelet in Marbella.

    “While she wanted to make a side trip to the millionaire’s playground of Ibiza, she had a personal shopper bring designer gowns and clothing, swimsuits and other trinkets to her instead.

    “Michelle is furious that Barack went behind her back and invited Oprah.

    “But he’s well aware that Oprah helped his campaign immensely by endorsing him for president, and he knows that he’s going to need her again.

    “He hates having Michelle mad at him, but he needs Oprah — on his side.”

  119. Now how fucked up is this……

    Seriously…I mean WTF.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/29/INF21F2Q9H.DTL

    Afghanistan’s dirty little secret

    Western forces fighting in southern Afghanistan had a problem. Too often, soldiers on patrol passed an older man walking hand-in-hand with a pretty young boy. Their behavior suggested he was not the boy’s father. Then, British soldiers found that young Afghan men were actually trying to “touch and fondle them,” military investigator AnnaMaria Cardinalli told me. “The soldiers didn’t understand.”

    All of this was so disconcerting that the Defense Department hired Cardinalli, a social scientist, to examine this mystery. Her report, “Pashtun Sexuality,” startled not even one Afghan. But Western forces were shocked – and repulsed.

    For centuries, Afghan men have taken boys, roughly 9 to 15 years old, as lovers. Some research suggests that half the Pashtun tribal members in Kandahar and other southern towns are bacha baz, the term for an older man with a boy lover. Literally it means “boy player.” The men like to boast about it.

    “Having a boy has become a custom for us,” Enayatullah, a 42-year-old in Baghlan province, told a Reuters reporter. “Whoever wants to show off should have a boy.”

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/29/INF21F2Q9H.DTL#ixzz0y2sDVml7

  120. Now how fucked up is this……

    Seriously…I mean WTF.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/29/INF21F2Q9H.DTL

    Afghanistan’s dirty little secret

    Western forces fighting in southern Afghanistan had a problem. Too often, soldiers on patrol passed an older man walking hand-in-hand with a pretty young boy. Their behavior suggested he was not the boy’s father. Then, British soldiers found that young Afghan men were actually trying to “touch and fondle them,” military investigator AnnaMaria Cardinalli told me. “The soldiers didn’t understand.”

    All of this was so disconcerting that the Defense Department hired Cardinalli, a social scientist, to examine this mystery. Her report, “Pashtun Sexuality,” startled not even one Afghan. But Western forces were shocked – and repulsed.

    For centuries, Afghan men have taken boys, roughly 9 to 15 years old, as lovers. Some research suggests that half the Pashtun tribal members in Kandahar and other southern towns are bacha baz, the term for an older man with a boy lover. Literally it means “boy player.” The men like to boast about it.

    “Having a boy has become a custom for us,” Enayatullah, a 42-year-old in Baghlan province, told a Reuters reporter. “Whoever wants to show off should have a boy.”

  121. “I can’t spend all of my time with my birth certificate plastered on my forehead,” Obama told NBC Nightly News anchor Brian Williams

    =============

    All he has to do is one time show it to the judge/s — instead of spending money on lawyers to get the suits dismissed.

    I expect he probably was born in Hawaii — he’s just playing coy to keep the ‘birthers’ as a distraction. Or he wants to hide his school records, which are requested in the same suits.

  122. All he has to do is one time show it to the judge/s — instead of spending money on lawyers to get the suits dismissed.

    I expect he probably was born in Hawaii — he’s just playing coy to keep the ‘birthers’ as a distraction. Or he wants to hide his school records, which are requested in the same suits.
    _________________

    And what is so special about him that he doesn’t think he should show his birth certificate, his school records and every damned record he ever had. After all, he is employed by the American people.

  123. WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama said on Sunday the U.S. economy was expanding but not at a robust enough pace and there was no “magic bullet” that will fix its problems.

    Obama said in an NBC interview that the batch of grim economic data over the past few weeks was something his administration had anticipated.

    “The economy is still growing, but it’s not growing as fast as it needs to,” Obama told NBC in the interview in New Orleans, where he stopped after a vacation on the Massachusetts island of Martha’s Vineyard.

    Obama faces a dilemma in trying to reassure Americans about the economy without appearing to be out of touch with frustrations, which have been rising over the sluggish growth and scarcity of jobs.

    The economy is the top issue in the November 2 congressional elections, where Obama’s Democrats are bracing for potentially big losses to Republicans.

    Obama’s first week back at the White House will be heavily focused on foreign policy issues. ..

    Obama gave little indication in the interview of any new proposals that might be unveiled in the near future. He noted that that the “short-term politics” of the election season might make it hard to get such measures passed.

    But he urged the U.S. Congress to pass some of his existing proposals such as plans aimed at spurring lending to small businesses and tax breaks for such firms. He also touted his initiatives to encourage investment in clean energy.

    “We should be passing legislation that helps small businesses get credit, that eliminates capital gains taxes so that they have more incentive to invest right now,” he said. “There are a whole host of measures we could take. No single element of which is a magic bullet.”

    ………………………………………………

    Funny that is not what him and his Admin have been spouting since spring with all that crap and then the shout of “summer of recovery”.

  124. “Obama said in an NBC interview that the batch of grim economic data over the past few weeks was something his administration had anticipated. ”

    Really, is that so? Because article after article i’ve seen lately has been telling us it was all totally “unexpected”.

  125. MOP, Well I guess if women are considered to be less than a goat while the male is considered supreme, then it fits that the dirty old men want a boy as a trophy and not a woman….Geez Louise!

    Yep her latest formal will be from the WH drapes….LOL! Michelle (Imelda) Obama, I wonder how many shoes she owns???

  126. Now did we really expect him to have a plan and be specific! He never was during the campaign, and after all does he really need to. Oprah will get his through again. After all that is what he pays attention to.

  127. andyp,
    After all, he is employed by the American people.

    ———————————

    He and his wife’s view is that they own the American people.

  128. I mean, I’m kinda scared now because if the muppet Obama saying its going to get bad, then you can bet its going to be a f^cking disaster.

  129. I wonder why Michelle hates Oprah so much??? Could it be that with all her trillions, maybe she thinks Barry could go for Oprah and dump the “drapery dressed Queen”.

  130. No magic bullets, well wtf were the bailouts?

    The man knows jack shit. I wish he’d just stay on vacation. It was nice not hearing his bullshit manure crap for a while.

  131. hmmm…more dodginess.

    http://www.carolinajournal.com/jhdailyjournal/display_jhdailyjournal.html?id=6780

    I believe Raleigh attorney John Wallace and other representatives of Beverly Perdue’s political team when they say there was no intent to mislead voters or evade state law by failing to report dozens of free flights Perdue took during her 2004 and 2008 campaigns.

    The Democratic majority on North Carolina’s state board of elections also believe Perdue’s political team, which is why the board chose to impose the maximum $30,000 fine for late campaign reporting and end its probe of the matter – rather than holding hearings, putting Perdue’s aides under oath, and investigating whether costlier punishments were warranted for intentional evasion of campaign-finance laws.

    I believe Wallace’s explanation that the reason the Perdue team had failed to report the 42 flights was because the campaign kept sloppy records. I believe this explanation despite the fact that, as the initial inquiry by board of elections investigator Kim Strach revealed, the Perdue campaign kept meticulous records of her travels.

    I believe Wallace’s claim that there was a pervasive lack of communication among Perdue aides about the issue of flight reimbursement. I believe this claim despite copious evidence, some of it in correspondence dating to the fall of 2008, that Perdue aides had extensive internal communication about the issue of flight reimbursement.

    I believe Wallace’s assertion that at the time, in the fall of 2008, the campaign did not know Buzzy Stubbs, a New Bern attorney, had paid for $28,000 worth of campaign flights. I believe Wallace even though he was legal counsel to the Perdue campaign at the time and clearly had personal knowledge of Stubbs’ unpaid bill, which amounted to a very large and illegal campaign contribution.

    The timing requires some explanation. On October 20, 2008, Carolina Journal reported that then-Gov. Mike Easley had received free flights from political supporters during his 2000 and 2004 campaigns. The flights had not been reported and amounted to campaign contributions from corporations (which are illegal) and/or contributions above the legal limit for individual donations. Within hours, Wallace – who had also acted as legal counsel for the Easley campaign – was fielding calls from other reporters on the matter.

    The story spread through the political world. Stubbs was obviously affected by it. On Oct. 23, 2008, he sent a letter to the Perdue campaign explaining that he personally had reimbursed his law firm $28,000 for flights on aircraft the firm chartered. He then apparently tried to make that donation an in-kind contribution to the North Carolina Democratic Party, perhaps in an attempt to avoid putting the Perdue campaign in legal jeopardy.

    Wallace responded to the letter the next day – but not as counsel to Easley or Perdue. This time, he acted as counsel to the state Democratic Party, and informed Stubbs that the party could not accept his in-kind contribution.

    That was the end of any timely attempts to fix the problem. The flights Stubbs paid for weren’t disclosed by the Perdue campaign until the summer of 2009. For his part, Wallace later told Strach, the board of elections investigator, that the Perdue campaign didn’t reimburse Stubbs for the flights in 2008 because it didn’t know he had paid for them.

    I believe Wallace. Why shouldn’t I?

    As for the chairman and executive director of the state board of elections, Larry Leake and Gary Bartlett respectively, I believe them when they deny any attempt to cover all this up by limiting whom Strach could interview, how she could conduct her interviews, and excluding these limitations from her initial report.

    I believe them when they say that the decision not to launch a broader investigation, putting Perdue aides under oath to determine whether there was a conspiracy to evade the law and mislead voters during the 2008 campaign, was based solely on their assumption that there was no such conspiracy, not on their desire to protect a sitting governor from further political damage.

    I believe the matter is now settled. Thank goodness, because I need to hurry home and put a tooth under my pillow for the Tooth Fairy.

    Hood is president of the John Locke Foundation.

  132. “Why aren’t we organizing a mmoderate, centrist progressive party to affect the Dem party like the tea party has pressured the Repugs?”
    ———————

    That’s pretty much what the PUMA/pro-Hillary movement is all about. The problem is, we are truly a grassroots movement run by amateurs with no $$$, no media access/support, no allies within the Dem party (at least none who will support us publicly) and no friends in high places. Everything we’ve done, we’ve had to do all by ourselves. The Tea Party, by contrast, has the support of the entire Fox news network as well as big-name, professional politicians like Sarah Palin. They also have celebrities (Ted Nugent, Jon Voight) in their corner who can attract attention to their cause.

  133. Obama White House Doesn’t Want Blagojevich Retrial

    August 27, 2010 •

    On Thursday, Federal Judge James Zagel said he would set a retrial date for former Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich during the first week of January 2011. The trial wouldn’t begin any earlier than Jan. 4, Judge Zagel said, but he didn’t set a specific date. Prosecutors had asked for an earlier date, but the judge said he wanted to avoid scheduling conflicts over the holidays.

    The retrial date was discussed after federal prosecutors announced they would not retry the former governor’s brother, Robert Blagojevich.

    Rod Blagojevich will also need new attorneys when he stands trial again; Sam Adam Sr. and his son Sam Adam Jr. say they won’t represent Blagojevich at the retrial.

    On Thursday, the judge asked for a report on the former governor’s finances to determine whether Mr. Blagojevich, who has said he is broke, qualifies to receive legal help. The judge said he would appoint two lawyers to serve as Mr. Blagojevich’s defense team if he is deemed indigent. Blagojevich had seven attorneys in the first trial, but the judge said two lawyers would be sufficient, because the evidence had already been examined and Mr. Blagojevich had seen the government’s case.

    Clearly the Obama White House had preferred that the retrial not occur right away, and preferably not at all.

    It is widely believed that the issue of Obama, his Chicago White House cronies, Rahm Emanuel and Valerie Jarrett, as well as Obama’s own connection to convicted felon Tony Rezko, will become the central issue in the retrial, something which did not happen in the first trial, due to the fact that the prosecution cut its case short and the defense rested early as a result.

    But even though the case will not be retried until January, the issue of Obama has now become unavoidable, as evidenced by Rod Blagojevich’s recent statements in the news media.

  134. “But he urged the U.S. Congress to pass some of his existing proposals such as plans aimed at spurring lending to small businesses and tax breaks for such firms.’
    **********
    It’s all theater…Obama is crying that the rethugs won’t pass lending for small business and they are responsible…blah…blah I can almost guarantee that a few “changes” will be made and the Sens Snow and Collins will be assigned to vote for cloture. Everyone get to play to their “base” and the banks win again.

    “Obama responded to the jobless claims report with a perfunctory four-minute speech from the White House. His only proposal to deal with the worsening jobs crisis was to urge congressional passage of a $42 billion bill to aid small businesses.

    The bill was passed by the House of Representatives and has stalled in the Senate due to a Republican filibuster. Apart from the hopelessly inadequate sums allocated under the proposed measure, the bulk of the money would go not to mom-and-pop businesses or small enterprises, but to tax breaks for banks with less than $10 billion in assets. Much of the aid to small businesses in the bill would actually go to big corporations in the form of tax windfalls for companies that make large capital purchases.”
    ****
    The bulk of money go for tax breaks for banks….I’m shocked!!!! This bill is Barry’s magic bullet to save middle class jobs. I would have thought that Obama has more than payed back the banksters…..those lobbyists must have some serious dirt on the “One”.

  135. For those who care about such things, the Clinton family visited the winery where my husband works today. They were very gracious and friendly, saying hello to people,etc.

    It was a gorgeous day here and its not the first time they visited.

  136. I recieved the following in an email and thought it heartwarming and important so I wanted to share it. Unfortunately the many awesome and wonderful photos did not copy here. Where there are spaces, there was at least one photo. They have erected a monument thanking the U.S. for liberating them:

    It is important to keep in mind who are your friends.

    Have you ever wondered if anyone in Europe remembers America’s sacrifice in World War II? There is an answer in a small town in the Czech Republic. The town called Pilsen (Plzen)

    Every five years Plzen conducts the Liberation Celebration of the City of Pilsen in the Czech Republic. May 6th, 2010 marked the 65th anniversary of the liberation of Pilsen by General George Patton’s 3rd Army.

    Pilsen is the town that every American should visit.

    Because…..they love America and the American Soldier…

    even 65 years later…….by the thousands

    the citizens of Pilsen came to say thank you…

    lining the streets of Pilsen for miles.

    From large crowds…

    To quiet reflective moments…

    Including this American family’s private time to honor and remember their American hero.

    This is the crash site of Lt. Virgil P. Kirkham, the last recorded American USAAF pilot killed in Europe during WWII. It was Lt. Kirkham’s 82nd mission and one that he volunteered to go on.

    At the time this 20 year old pilot’s P-47 Thunderbolt plane was shot down, a young 14 year old Czech girl, Zdenka Sladkova, was so moved by his sacrifice she made a vow to care for him and his memory.

    For 65 straight years , Zdenka, now 79 years old, took on the responsibility to care for Virgil’scrash site and memorial near her home.

    On May 4th she was recognized by the Mayor of Zdenka’s home town of Trhanova, Czech Republic, for her sacrifice and extraordinary effort to honor this American hero.

    Another chapter in this important story…..the Czech people are teaching their children about America’s sacrifice for their freedom.

    American Soldiers, young and old, are the ”Rock Stars” these children and their parents want autographs from..

    Yes, Rock Stars ! … As they patiently waited for his autograph, the respect this little Czech boy and his father have for our troops serving today was heartwarming and inspirational.

    The Brian LaViolette Foundation will established The Scholarship of Honor in tribute to General George S. Patton and the American Soldier, past and present.

    Each year, a different military hero will be honored in tribute to General Patton’s memory and their mission to liberate Europe.

    This award will be presented to a graduating senior who will be entering the military or a form of community service such as fireman, policeman, teaching or nursing, a cause greater than self. The student will be from one of the five high schools in Pilsen, Czech Republic.

    The first award will be presented in May 2011 in honor of Lt. Virgil Kirkham, that young 20 year old P-47 pilot killed 65 years ago in the final days of WWII.

    Presenting Virgil’s award will be someone who knows the true meaning of service and sacrifice… someone who looks a lot like Virgil…

    Marion Kirkham, Virgil’s brother, who himself served during WWII in the United States Army – Air Corps. !!!

    In closing… Here is what the city of Pilsen thinks of General Patton’s grandson. George Patton Waters (another Rock Star!) we’re proud to say, serves on Brian’s Foundation board.

    And it’s front page news.. not buried in the middle of the social section..

    Brigadier General Miroslav Zizka – 1st Deputy Chief of Staff – Ministry of Defense – Czech Armed Forces.

    So please join this amazing journey…

    Come visit Pilsen in the Czech Republic during the first part of May 2011, it may also be a life changing experience for you.

    And please share this email with your family and friends and ask them to do the same…..every American should hear this story.

  137. HWC
    Why aren’t we organizing a mmoderate, centrist progressive party to affect the Dem party like the tea party has pressured the Repugs?

    Because there are no more moderates in the Democrat party. There’s no base of support for a Jackson or DLC or Clinton Democrat.

    The Tea Party is able to dictate Republican nominees because there is a strong fiscal conservative base in the Republican ranks.

    The Democrat party, on the other hand, tilts almost exclusively moonbat. You may not have noticed what it was like to be a Clinton supporter on the Democrat blogs in 2007. Those people are crazy as loons. Democrat = Daily KOS.

  138. Obama said in an NBC interview that the batch of grim economic data over the past few weeks was something his administration had anticipated.
    ———————
    If that is true then he was lying to us when he said he saw the signs of recovery. The truth is the incompetent jackass and his fellow travelers are flying by the seat of their pants. Clueless is the word that best describes them. Comatose may be even better.

  139. I can’t spend all of my time with my birth certificate plastered on my forehead,” Obama told NBC Nightly News anchor Brian Williams
    ==================
    Incredible. Just incredible.

  140. The economy is still growing, but it’s not growing as fast as it needs to . . . .
    ———————————————————————”
    Stupid ass. His original projection was 3.6 percent and now his know nothings have revised it down to 1.15 percent. And his point is what? That it is still growing. And of course the ass who is interviewing him fails to connect the dots. Sir, if the economy grows at only 1.5 percent, your latest guess, how many additional jobs will be lost, how much will you increase taxes, how much more money will you print, how much more will you borrow from China, and what will you do to solve this terrible problem besides run your mouth, go on vacation and shoot hoops.

    Someone asked me today what I thought of Obama. I said he is a mega disaster, for the country, for our allies, for the party, for black people and for the American People. The wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time.

  141. AndyP– I wrote a letter to James Roosevelt conveying the outrage we felt at the decision by that kangaroo court. I re read it tonight and decided not to post it here now. In hindsight, it looks mawkish. I now understand there is no way to reach these people. If you apply Occams Razor you realize they cowards, liars and traitors. The grandson is a dishonor to the family name. To say more would be a waste of words.

  142. wbboei
    August 30th, 2010 at 3:37 am
    AndyP– I wrote a letter to James Roosevelt conveying the outrage we felt at the decision by that kangaroo court. I re read it tonight and decided not to post it here now. In hindsight, it looks mawkish. I now understand there is no way to reach these people. If you apply Occams Razor you realize they cowards, liars and traitors. The grandson is a dishonor to the family name. To say more would be a waste of words.
    ________________
    I feel the same way. Their behaviour during the entire election was reprehensible and people like that feel far too superior to others for anything to make an impact. The only thing that would affect them would be to reject the Party and even then they would believe that they were right and just misunderstood.

  143. hwc
    August 30th, 2010 at 2:09 am
    HWC

    The Tea Party is able to dictate Republican nominees because there is a strong fiscal conservative base in the Republican ranks.

    The Democrat party, on the other hand, tilts almost exclusively moonbat. You may not have noticed what it was like to be a Clinton supporter on the Democrat blogs in 2007. Those people are crazy as loons. Democrat = Daily KOS.
    _____

    I disagree. I know many people like myself. I think more dems wanted Hillary, but took the party line and supported O when the Clintons did.

  144. They have more than their share of dimwits at Politico, which is the internet subsidiary of Washington post and reflects their elitist bias. Case in point is this dimwith Glenn Thrush. He reminds you in many ways of Chuckie Cheese Todd, the fake fedora hat of a reporter, and the itsy bitsy gottee, and most of all the Obama vomit which comes out of his pre pububescient mouth. He gives a worshipful account of the interview of the Not So Great Pretender by Dudley Doright Brian Williams, which true to form fails to hold the Great Pretender accountable for anything, and just lets him run his mouth and complain about how people are out to get him. accountable. If you look at his bio he brags about following Hillary in her “highly entertaining campaign”. Just a little smug and condescending wouldnt you say? One you can be sure of is he was one of those big media moles who was working to set her up. Glenn Thrush is a waste of protoplasm. Glenn “Flush”.

  145. Williams, sitting under a tent in a rain-soaked New Orleans, where the First Family commemorated the fifth anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, asked Obama why so many people were uncertain about something so fundamental as his faith.

    “I can’t spend all of my time with my birth certificate plastered on my forehead,” quipped Obama, who took a deep breath to gather his thoughts when asked if the poll reflected his inability to communicate with voters.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41575.html#ixzz0y61SUeG6
    —————————–

    When asked about his faith, why is he talking about his birth certificate?

    BTW, that quote reeks
    * of passive aggression,
    * sarcasm and frustration at people he deems inferior,
    * utterly ludicrous for the president of USA,..
    * {add your own}

    Not to mention an easy and legitimate comeback from his opponents, “show the damn BC and other school records..”

  146. “It’s just not accurate,” he told Williams. “The only thing in common with the Katrina response was [oil spill incident commander] Thad Allen… We had immediately [deployed] thousands of vessels, tens of thousands of people.”
    ——————

    Gee, why would he keep the same commander, Thad Allen and remind people of that? Always looking for a scapegoat even before he starts anything.

  147. This kind of behavior seems to be rampant in the Congressional Black Causcus, from this woman, to Ice Box Jefferson, to Charlie Wrangel, to James Clyburn, to Maxine Waters. Diversion of public money to relatives who do not qualify which is a form of embezzlement. In some cases it goes right into their pockets. At some point this distinguished group corrupt incompetents begin to look less like a cabal of politicians and more like a self serving criminal enterprise. Removing these low lifes from public office would be the surest way to achieve the title of this article Restoring Honor. And to think the Loon of the House, Pelosi, called this the most ethical Congress in history.
    ————————————————————————
    So. We have a legislator named Eddie Bernice Johnson (D, TX-30), member of the Congressional Black Caucus, and thus one of the people whose responsibility it is to hand out partial college scholarships to worthy recipients. A worthy project, to be sure: good policy, good politics, good publicity. There is – sensibly – a non-nepotism rule; and there is – also sensibly – a rule that this money is to be given to students in your district. But there is apparently no oversight at all over who gets the money, which is why Rep. Johnson was able to use this money gave 15 scholarships to six ineligible kids – four grandchildren and two kids of an aide – and none of them live in the district. Important point, there: even if grandchildren and children of aides don’t count under the anti-nepotism rule (an argument which the CBC itself rejects), the point of the whole thing is to foster local education. Rep. Johnson’s defense? She’s a nine-term Congresswoman who somehow missed the fact that she wasn’t supposed to give CBC scholarships to out-of-district family members.

    Seriously:

    Two days later, she acknowledged in a statement released by her office that she had violated the rules but said she had done so “unknowingly” and would work with the foundation to “rectify the financial situation.”

    Initially, she said, “I recognized the names when I saw them. And I knew that they had a need just like any other kid that would apply for one.” Had there been more “very worthy applicants in my district,” she added, “then I probably wouldn’t have given it” to the relatives.

    TX-30 is a majority-minority district incorporating large parts of the African-American and Latino sections of Dallas, TX. That Rep. Johnson’s ‘defense’ rests on her inability to find six students from that area who were more qualified for scholarship money than her own grandchildren speaks ill of either her ability to serve her district, or else of her skill in coming up with a solid, believable lie. Either way, there are still some Texas kids out there who could have used this money, and were denied it.

    Please remember this when Rep. Johnson is defended – and she will be. They’ll talk about her relative lack of personal wealth; they’ll talk about how she at least didn’t actually steal the money; they’ll talk about hte relatively small amounts involved; they’ll talk about the need of those kids for those scholarships; and they’ll undoubtedly call people racists for even broaching the subject of yet another member of the CBC who’s involved in shenanigans. What they won’t do is admit that Rep. Johnson has no right to be defended. She was given money dedicated to bettering the lives of her constituents. She instead used it to better the lives of her family and subordinates.

    Was that why she helped create the district in the first place?

    Moe Lane

  148. Gee, why would he keep the same commander, Thad Allen and remind people of that? Always looking for a scapegoat even before he starts anything.
    ——————
    Yes. That is him.

  149. quote from an attendee of the Beck rally:

    “I don’t know if it was his intent, but Beck laid a heck of a trap for the left and they descended on it like a school of starving piranhas.”

    “The rabid blind rage the left has shown for a clearly positive rally in support of Honor and our soldiers has really made the left look pretty bad.”

  150. Oh Brother….if he hadn’t cheated Hillary out of the nomination….at least half of the contempt thats out there would NOT be there. We can’t do anything about the republicans, but at least the democrats would have been unified.

    It’s Witch-Hunt SeasonBy PAUL KRUGMAN

    . The last time a Democrat sat in the White House, he faced a nonstop witch hunt by his political opponents. Prominent figures on the right accused Bill and Hillary Clinton of everything from drug smuggling to murder. And once Republicans took control of Congress, they subjected the Clinton administration to unrelenting harassment — at one point taking 140 hours of sworn testimony over accusations that the White House had misused its Christmas card list.

    Now it’s happening again — except that this time it’s even worse. Let’s turn the floor over to Rush Limbaugh: “Imam Hussein Obama,” he recently declared, is “probably the best anti-American president we’ve ever had.”

    To get a sense of how much it matters when people like Mr. Limbaugh talk like this, bear in mind that he’s an utterly mainstream figure within the Republican Party; bear in mind, too, that unless something changes the political dynamics, Republicans will soon control at least one house of Congress. This is going to be very, very ugly.

    So where is this rage coming from? Why is it flourishing? What will it do to America?

    Anyone who remembered the 1990s could have predicted something like the current political craziness. What we learned from the Clinton years is that a significant number of Americans just don’t consider government by liberals — even very moderate liberals — legitimate. Mr. Obama’s election would have enraged those people even if he were white. Of course, the fact that he isn’t, and has an alien-sounding name, adds to the rage.

    By the way, I’m not talking about the rage of the excluded and the dispossessed: Tea Partiers are relatively affluent, and nobody is angrier these days than the very, very rich. Wall Street has turned on Mr. Obama with a vengeance: last month Steve Schwarzman, the billionaire chairman of the Blackstone Group, the private equity giant, compared proposals to end tax loopholes for hedge fund managers with the Nazi invasion of Poland.

    And powerful forces are promoting and exploiting this rage. Jane Mayer’s new article in The New Yorker about the superrich Koch brothers and their war against Mr. Obama has generated much-justified attention, but as Ms. Mayer herself points out, only the scale of their effort is new: billionaires like Richard Mellon Scaife waged a similar war against Bill Clinton.

    Meanwhile, the right-wing media are replaying their greatest hits. In the 1990s, Mr. Limbaugh used innuendo to feed anti-Clinton mythology, notably the insinuation that Hillary Clinton was complicit in the death of Vince Foster. Now, as we’ve just seen, he’s doing his best to insinuate that Mr. Obama is a Muslim. Again, though, there’s an extra level of craziness this time around: Mr. Limbaugh is the same as he always was, but now seems tame compared with Glenn Beck.

    And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to be found.

    To take a prime example: the hysteria over the proposed Islamic center in lower Manhattan almost makes one long for the days when former President George W. Bush tried to soothe religious hatred, declaring Islam a religion of peace. There were good reasons for his position: there are a billion Muslims in the world, and America can’t afford to make all of them its enemies.

    But here’s the thing: Mr. Bush is still around, as are many of his former officials. Where are the statements, from the former president or those in his inner circle, preaching tolerance and denouncing anti-Islam hysteria? On this issue, as on many others, the G.O.P. establishment is offering a nearly uniform profile in cowardice.

    So what will happen if, as expected, Republicans win control of the House? We already know part of the answer: Politico reports that they’re gearing up for a repeat performance of the 1990s, with a “wave of committee investigations” — several of them over supposed scandals that we already know are completely phony. We can expect the G.O.P. to play chicken over the federal budget, too; I’d put even odds on a 1995-type government shutdown sometime over the next couple of years.

    It will be an ugly scene, and it will be dangerous, too. The 1990s were a time of peace and prosperity; this is a time of neither. In particular, we’re still suffering the after-effects of the worst economic crisis since the 1930s, and we can’t afford to have a federal government paralyzed by an opposition with no interest in helping the president govern. But that’s what we’re likely to get.

    If I were President Obama, I’d be doing all I could to head off this prospect, offering some major new initiatives on the economic front in particular, if only to shake up the political dynamic. But my guess is that the president will continue to play it safe, all the way into catastrophe.

  151. ShortTermer
    August 30th, 2010 at 12:08 am
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    Thanks! My father served under General Patton’s 3rd Army in WW2. He loved that man till his dying day…

  152. The Tea Party, by contrast, has the support of the entire Fox news network as well as big-name, professional politicians like Sarah Palin. They also have celebrities (Ted Nugent, Jon Voight) in their corner who can attract attention to their cause.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    They didn’t initially, it is a true grassroots cause that smart politicians and Fox, which in many aspects agrees with stated policy, have tried to co-op.

  153. Obama Blows Off 3 Billion Wannabe Billionaires: William Pesek

    By William Pesek – Aug 29, 2010 Bloomberg Opinion

    For a guy who talked big about re- engaging Asia, Barack Obama has a funny way of showing it.

    Nobody doubts the U.S. president’s team is supremely busy juggling oil spills, Muslim cultural centers, convincing ignoramuses he has a birth certificate and averting recession. Yet there’s no excuse for blowing off last week’s Association of Southeast Asian Nations trade meeting in Vietnam.

    It was a dreadful decision and its significance didn’t escape members of the fourth-biggest market for U.S. goods. This is no time for the U.S. to be taking the most dynamic economies for granted. Not with China becoming an ever-bigger player both in Asia and globally.

    On any list of George W. Bush’s failings, ignoring Asia deserves a prominent mention. When his administration bothered with Asia, it was all terrorism all the time. There was little talk about potential, cooperation or partnership. Bush just wanted to know how many bad guys governments were rounding up.

    He tried to make amends in the twilight of his presidency, naming a U.S. ambassador to Asean in 2008. Recently, Obama tapped that official, Scot Marciel, to be U.S. ambassador to Indonesia. Obama hasn’t bothered to name a new Asean envoy.

    The U.S. missed a timely opportunity last week to confer with the economic ministers of Asean’s 10 members, along with counterparts from Australia, China, India, Japan, South Korea, New Zealand and Russia.

    Blowing Off Asia

    At a time of global crisis, one the U.S. caused, does Obama really want to be sending a message of indifference to Asia? Coming a week after the announcement that China’s economy has surpassed Japan’s, the U.S.’s closest Asian ally, you would think the White House would be stepping up a charm offensive. Instead, it risks turning off the region.

    “Confidence in the United States and its ability to lead and follow through on commitments is based on its economic well- being, and that status is being questioned by friends and competitors alike in Asia,” Ernest Bower, an analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, wrote in a recent report.

    China’s rapid growth is slowly, but surely, chipping away at the U.S.’s importance. Granted, at almost three times China’s economy, the U.S. will long be a vital customer for Asia’s goods. Officials here also know that depending on growth in a developing economy is risky.

    U.S. Brand

    Yet neglecting future trade ties with the liveliest economies is just plain dumb. Asia is churning out a fast- growing number of billionaires and is home to 3 billion consumers who aspire to join them. The U.S. wants to be in on that process.

    Obama must not forget just how much the 2008 meltdown damaged the U.S. brand. During Asia’s 1990s crisis, U.S. officials preached the free-market gospel. They told leaders to raise interest rates to support currencies, slash spending and debt, scrap subsidies and avoid bailing out industries. When the U.S. faced a crisis, it did exactly the opposite.

    There’s also considerable grumbling over the dollar. True or not, the theory that the U.S. is devaluing to help exporters is making the rounds. That perception is a problem if you want China to let its currency strengthen. It doesn’t play well in Japan, where panic is rising over the strong yen.

    Nor can the U.S. complain about corruption in Asia. Incestuous ties between Washington and Wall Street helped cause the U.S. crisis. Conflicts of interest between regulators and oil companies led to BP Plc’s devastating Gulf of Mexico leak. The U.S. has little moral high ground on dodgy dealings.

    Corruption’s Cost

    That’s a shame, considering the magnitude of Asia’s corruption fight. In Indonesia, for example, officials face an uphill battle to weed out graft and allow more of the nation’s people to benefit from 6 percent growth.

    In the Philippines, the honeymoon enjoyed by Benigno Aquino, since becoming president in June, ended last week in gunfire. Eight Hong Kong tourists being held hostage in Manila died in a botched rescue attempt. The tragedy was emblematic of what plagues the nation’s economy.

    The gunman was a former police inspector who was dismissed on allegations of extortion. The standoff’s surreal finale suggested a breakdown in the nation’s security apparatus, ineptness at many levels and weak diplomacy. Corruption is the common link in all these shortcomings.

    Lost Opportunity

    Obama got off to a good start, becoming the first U.S. leader to meet with Asean in November. Vietnam was the perfect opportunity to go further — to discuss views on credit markets, North Korea’s provocations, China’s currency, Australia’s election, Russia’s growth prospects, and Japanese deflation.

    This last topic is a growing concern. Not only have consumer prices fallen for 17 consecutive months, but Japan now has a leadership battle on its hands. Prime Minister Naoto Kan faces a challenge to remain head of the ruling party by veteran kingmaker Ichiro Ozawa. It’s the last thing Japan needs: its sixth prime minister in three years.

    Obama’s team could have learned about all of this, and much more, if it had only shown up in Asia. It should do so as soon as possible.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-29/obama-rejects-3-billion-wannabe-billionaires-commentary-by-william-pesek.html

  154. ShortTermer
    August 30th, 2010 at 12:08 am
    *************

    Thanks! My father served under General Patton’s 3rd Army in WW2. He loved that man till his dying day…
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    Very impressive Gozo. I knew a guy who was with Patton as well. He bungi cord jumped at the age of 85. That was a good war as wars go because we were not pinned down for years in some immobile position, instead the tanks were moving and but for a deal worked out with uncle joe at the highest level, Patton would have been in Berlin weeks before the Red Army. You probably know everything that is known and knowable about Patton, including the fact that he came from a wealthy San Francisco family and could have spent his life clipping coupons but chose instead to devote it to his country. The other thing was he won the now defunct pentathalon in the 1905 Olympics, and you can be quite sure it was not given to by Soros cronies for what they believed he would do for the world in the future, but if it had been he would have lived up to it, compared to that world class boob Barack Hussein Obama. But putting aside the personal venom I feel toward Obama, the more sober appraisal has got to be this guy is destroying America, because that is an objective fact.

  155. Boehner to take on Obama administration over national security

    By Molly K. Hooper – 08/30/10

    House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) intends to broadcast his differences with the Obama administration’s national security policy in his second major policy address in as many weeks.

    The top-ranking House Republican, who supported President Obama’s request for additional troops in Afghanistan, will highlight his growing concerns “about how Washington is implementing the new strategy there,” a Boehner aide told The Hill.

    The would-be Speaker will also focus on his differences with the administration’s handling of the broader war on terror.

    “He will also discuss the war on terrorism, this administration’s handling of attempted terrorist attacks on U.S. soil and its lack of a comprehensive strategy to confront and defeat the terrorist threat,” the aide explained.

    Boehner intends to touch on another hot-button topic these days: Israel.

    “He will discuss the Middle East, our steadfast commitment to Israel and the need to remain vigilant against efforts by the Iranians to acquire a nuclear weapon and expand [Iran’s] influence in the region,” the aide said.

    Boehner’s speech coincides with that of President Obama, who is scheduled to give a primetime address on Iraq on Tuesday, the day of the final drawdown of combat troops in the country.

    GOP aides point out that Boehner was booked to give his national security speech before the 92nd Annual American Legion convention before the president announced his intention to address the nation from the Oval Office.

    Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) are also booked to address the annual convention of the nation’s largest veteran service organization.

    A Boehner aide said the Ohio lawmaker “will discuss Iraq, the progress that has been made by our troops and the success of the surge strategy that was opposed by then-Sens. Obama and Biden, Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid.”

    On Friday, Boehner released a two-and-a-half-minute video echoing that message, complete with soundbites of the Democratic leaders saying at the time that the surge wouldn’t work.

    President Obama said in his weekly Saturday address that as a candidate for president, he pledged to end the war in Iraq, and he has made good on that promise.

    “As a candidate for this office, I pledged I would end this war. As president, that is what I am doing. We have brought home more than 90,000 troops since I took office,” Obama said, adding that the “wars in Iraq and Afghanistan now make up America’s longest continuous combat engagement.”

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/116311-boehner-to-take-white-house-to-task-on-security-israel-afghanistan

  156. For a guy who talked big about re- engaging Asia, Barack Obama has a funny way of showing it.

    Nobody doubts the U.S. president’s team is supremely busy juggling oil spills, Muslim cultural centers, convincing ignoramuses he has a birth certificate and averting recession. Yet there’s no excuse for blowing off last week’s Association of Southeast Asian Nations trade meeting in Vietnam.

    It was a dreadful decision and its significance didn’t escape members of the fourth-biggest market for U.S. goods. This is no time for the U.S. to be taking the most dynamic economies for granted. Not with China becoming an ever-bigger player both in Asia and globally.
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    Jan–this guy is a good writer and what he says has the added advantage of being true.

  157. JanH
    August 30th, 2010 at 11:42 am
    Boehner to take on Obama administration over national security
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    Just when everything was going swimmingly for the Administation in the minds of Brian Williams and the rest of big media you get this. And what do you suppose Obama will say for sure not for maybe: its Bush’s fault, look at what he did, and back to the future. No governing, just the endless campaign. But at this point the public is sick of it. It will not work.

  158. We have brought home more than 90,000 troops since I took office,” Obama said, adding that the “wars in Iraq and Afghanistan now make up America’s longest continuous combat engagement.”

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/116311-boehner-to-take-white-house-to-task-on-security-israel-afghanistan

    ====================

    Then sent them back to “the right battleground in Pakistan and Afganistan” — or re-labeled them as ‘advisors’ and sent them right back to Iraq.

  159. By sick of it, I mean sick of his excuses. He is not getting the job done. In fact, he is making it worse, people are suffering and that is the bottom line. We are weary of this bad vaudeville act, and so is the world. Lets hope the money men are of the same opinion. Time to say good night Johnnie.

  160. as if on cue wbb, I just got this email…
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    Subject: Elections are Coming!

    Take a look at this and just remember elections in November 2010.

    1.. U.S. House & Senate have voted themselves $4,700 and $5,300 raises.
    2.. They voted to NOT give you a S.S. Cost of living raise in 2010 and 2011.
    3.. Your Medicare premiums will go up $285.60 for the 2-years
    4.. You will not get the 3% COLA: $660/yr.
    5.. Your total 2-yr loss and cost is -$1,600 or -$3,200 for husband and wife.
    6.. Over these same 2-years each Congress person will get $10,000
    7.. Do you feel SCREWED?
    8.. Will they have your cost of drugs – doctor fees – local taxes – food, etc., decrease?
    9.. NO WAY.
    Congress received a raise and has better health and retirement benefits than you or I.

    a.. Why should they care about you?
    b.. You never did anything about it in the past.
    c.. You obviously are too stupid or don’t care.
    d.. Do you really think that Nancy, Harry, Chris, Charlie, Barnie, et al, care about you?
    Send the message to these individuals — “YOU’RE FIRED!”

    In 2010 you will have a chance to get rid of the sitting Congress: up to 1/3 of the Senate and 100% of the House!

    Make sure you’re still mad in November 2010 and remind their replacements not to screw-up.

    It is ok to forward this to your sphere of influence if you are finally tired of the abuse. Maybe it’s time for Amendment 28 to the Constitution..

    28th Amendment will be as follows:

    “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators or Representatives, and Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States .”

    Let’s get this passed around, folks – these people in Washington have brought this upon themselves! It’s time for retribution. Let’s take back America ..

  161. I have given up on any good policies for the economy or anything else coming out of Obama administration. I will be happy if he (and his wife) does/do not do embarrassing things as in that umbrella picture. She is crouching and has an impatient scowl on her face as she thought he would bend and bring the umbrella under the bar which is the natural thing to do and he didn’t do that — he was afraid that he would have to bend and that wouldn’t be a pretty sight. It does not even look like it is raining hard. Does this picture merit so much consideration? Yes, it does. Yes, it can. Because of the untold and the unvetted tale, and the unknown tale…

  162. You probably know everything that is known and knowable about Patton, including the fact that he came from a wealthy San Francisco family
    *************

    I did not know this, but am not surprised. There was a time that the wealthy did not shirk their personal responsibilities in times of war. Vietnam war and on, not so much. Actually was a reason I liked Gore initially…something went wrong…money?

  163. So it has begun again….lies, lies and more lies by BM. Just on Fox…Obama is not business friendly…well he isn’t middleclass friendly. He is a corporatist…so now they want to change that….the poor folks who don’t keep up with the lies. This is what they are counting on.

  164. gonzotx
    Actually was a reason I liked Gore initially…something went wrong…money?

    ================

    The polluters’ money, spent on slandering Gore.

  165. August 30, 2010
    Libertarian Party To Lisa Murkowski: Drop Dead
    —Ace
    Wow. So it’s recount or bust, eh?

    Yesterday, the 5-member Executive Committee of the Board of the Libertarian State Party meet in an emergency session to consider Sen. Murkowski’s bid for the party’s nod. After a contentious three-hour meeting, the Board voted unanimously to deny Sen. Murkowski the party’s nomination.

  166. Joe Miller: Cornyn Pulling His Team Out of Alaska
    More: NRSC To Remain “Neutral,” Will Support Whoever Wins
    —Ace
    Saw this at NRO.

    Joe Miller on TopLine: “I talked to Sen. Cornyn on Saturday and he gave me his word that he is pulling his team out.”
    Sanity?

    But there are 25,000 uncounted ballots.

    Officials at the Alaska Division of Elections tell CNN that as of Sunday 15,720 absentee ballots have been returned. Absentee ballots continue to arrive by mail. Also waiting to be counted are 663 early votes, ballots which were cast in pre-primary day voting. Add to that 9,117 “questioned” ballots, which may or may not be counted. Some may be disqualified by a panel of election officials for irregularities. Most of these votes are expected to be cast in the Republican primary, but some may be intended for the Democratic contest.
    Election officials say they will determine Monday how many votes will be included in Tuesday’s initial count.

    More: A full article from CQ Politics.

    National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman John Cornyn (Texas) spoke with Joe Miller over the weekend and assured him that the NRSC will stay neutral in the Alaska GOP Senate primary and support whoever wins, according to Republican sources.

    NRSC chief counsel Sean Cairncross was on the ground in Alaska for three days last week, but has since returned to Washington, D.C. He traveled at Murkowski’s request, and offered her campaign team general advice. But sources say the NRSC is not coordinating with her. It also isn’t participating in the vote count or in any future recounts.

    In fact, one reason Cairncross returned to Washington so quickly was to ensure that the NRSC’s actions would not be misinterpreted.

  167. more from ACE

    November, Tied Up With Republicans
    PS: America Is Back!!!
    —Ace
    Newsweek. What can you say.

    As Democrats prepare for considerable losses in the November elections, there’s reason to believe the party in power may not be headed for the bloodbath it might expect. According to a new NEWSWEEK Poll, President Obama’s approval rating—47 percent—indicates that the party is better off this year than Republicans were in 2006, when the GOP lost 30 House seats, and than the Democrats were in 1994, when they lost 52 House seats.
    Obama’s approval has fallen 1 percentage point since the last NEWSWEEK survey in June, but the White House has gained ground on several specific issues, specifically his handling of the economy, which has risen to 40 percent (from 38 percent) over the past two months. Voters also generally approve of Obama’s response to the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, as well as the administration’s handling of the war in Iraq, which Obama is expected to address next week from the Oval Office.

    Gallup puts Obama’s approval rate at 43% today.

    Geraghty puts Newsweek’s polling prognostication into historical perspective.

  168. FINALLY
    ****************

    Bumped: The Abilene Paradox [rdbrewer]
    —Open Blogger
    Pet theories department.

    An “Abilene paradox” occurs when a group of people decide on a course of action that is contrary to the preferences of any individual in the group. Each member mistakenly believes that his or her beliefs are counter to those of the group, so no one objects. The concept was created by Jerry B. Harvey, a business management expert, to explain the damage caused by a particular type of groupthink involving assumed agreement. The video below, a promo, is a nicely produced, humorous enactment of the Abilene paradox.

    The family finds out no one really wanted to go to Abilene. While Harvey used the Abilene paradox within the context of business decision making, I think it can be applied on larger scales to any group–like, say, the Obama administration, Media, ReidPelosiCongress, and the Democrats generally.

    Ace has mentioned “preference cascade” on a few occasions. Here, he calls it a pet obsession, introduced to him by Instapundit. From that article:

    This illustrates, in a mild way, the reason why totalitarian regimes collapse so suddenly. . . . Such regimes have little legitimacy, but they spend a lot of effort making sure that citizens don’t realize the extent to which their fellow-citizens dislike the regime. If the secret police and the censors are doing their job, 99% of the populace can hate the regime and be ready to revolt against it – but no revolt will occur because no one realizes that everyone else feels the same way.
    This works until something breaks the spell, and the discontented realize that their feelings are widely shared, at which point the collapse of the regime may seem very sudden to outside observers – or even to the citizens themselves. Claims after the fact that many people who seemed like loyal apparatchiks really loathed the regime are often self-serving, of course. But they’re also often true: Even if one loathes the regime, few people have the force of will to stage one-man revolutions, and when preferences are sufficiently falsified, each dissident may feel that he or she is the only one, or at least part of a minority too small to make any difference.

    “Until something breaks the spell.” The spell, I would assert, is the Abilene paradox. In fact, the two appear to be parts of the same creature at different points in its evolution. A preference cascade occurs when an Abilene paradox breaks down. And, while every preference cascade would necessarily involve an Abilene paradox, the Abilene paradox can exist alone and undiscovered.

    I think the Democrat Abilene paradox is just beginning to break down, with people like Mort Zuckerman beginning to speak out. (Note that Republican–out group–opposition did nothing to sway these people.) Democrats are starting to realize most individuals did not want to go this far–to Abilene, as it were–with change. I wonder if any of them will be relieved the ride is over.

  169. turndownobama @11:59, Obama’s self-congratulatory preening over “ending the war in Iraq” makes me ill.

    He did NOTHING. Zip, zero, nada. The withdrawal plan leaving “advisors” is Bush’s plan, and it’s on paper and has been for ages. He followed it lockstep, to a TEE. He has not altered it one iota. He took office and left Iraq on autopilot, according to the timetable already in place via Bush.

    I can’t stand Bush, but for Obama to somehow take credit and expect kudos for this drawdown, that was BUSH’S PLAN to begin with, is the height of arrogance and utterly dishonest. But then, he’s never had a problem receiving accolades for the work of others, and neglecting to mention that he wasn’t the one who actually did anything.

  170. ABOUT THE ABOVE POLL
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    The Campaign Spot

    Election-driven news and views . . . by Jim Geraghty.

    This Fishy Tied Poll Leaves Some Fit to Be Tied

    August 30, 2010 7:34 A.M. By Jim Geraghty
    Tags: 2010, Newsweek, Polling

    The closing note of today’s Jolt:

    ADDENDA: Once a media institution has sold for a dollar, the affiliated polling unit tends to punch at a lower weight class. You figure if Newsweek really is in financial dire straits, polling would have been the first thing to go; it’s not like we don’t know what to expect from it.

    2008: “Obama now leads McCain by 13 points, 53 percent to 40 percent. Among likely voters, Obama’s lead is similarly strong, 53 percent to 41 percent.” Actual split: 53/46.

    2006: “If the elections were held today, 54 percent of likely voters say they would support the Democratic candidate in their district versus 38 percent who would vote for the Republican-a 16-point edge for the Democrats.” Actual split: 52/44.

    Their latest: “As Democrats prepare for considerable losses in the November elections, there’s reason to believe the party in power may not be headed for the bloodbath it might expect.”

    But Todd Eberly, an Assistant Professor in the Poli-Sci Department of St. Mary’s College of Maryland dismantles the latest effort: “Democrats are winning 90% of the Democratic vote and Republicans are winning 94% of the Republican vote – Independents favor Republicans by a 45% to 33% margin – resulting a 45% to 45% tie… Something seem fishy? It should. Consider the [stated] breakdown by party – 284 Republicans, 280 Democrats and 247 Independents – that’s 33% Republican, 33% Democrat and 29% Independent (a few folks must have reported no party). It is mathematically impossible for Democrats and Republicans to be tied at 45% if each party is receiving similar shares of their own party vote, but Independents prefer Republicans by 12 points. If Democrats are winning a few less of their own votes as compared to the GOP, and they are losing Independents – they simply cannot be tied.”

  171. I AGREE WITH JAN…SORRY HILLLARY

    Gov. Brewer Slams Obama Administration Over Outrageous UNHRC Report On Arizona Immigration Law
    Posted by Jim Hoft on Saturday, August 28, 2010, 3:43 PM

    This past week the Obama Administration hauled the State of Arizona in front of the UN Human Rights Council over its immigration policy. For the record, this sham council includes human rights offenders Cuba, China and Libya. The Obama administration told the United Nations Human Rights Council that America’s human rights record was less than perfect in the report they submitted to these thugs this week.

    Now Governor Jan Brewer is fighting back against these outrageous charges. Brewer angrily demanded yesterday that the White House withdraw their report to the UNHRC that singled out Arizona’s law. She called the report “downright offensive”

    A copy of the letter is here.

    The AP reported, via HotAir:

    Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer demanded Friday that a reference to the state’s controversial immigration law be removed from a State Department report to the United Nations’ human rights commissioner.

    The U.S. included its legal challenge to the law on a list of ways the federal government is protecting human rights.

    In a letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Brewer says it is “downright offensive” that a state law would be included in the report, which was drafted as part of a UN review of human rights in all member nations every four years.

    “The idea of our own American government submitting the duly enacted laws of a state of the United States to ‘review’ by the United Nations is internationalism run amok and unconstitutional,” Brewer wrote.

  172. Well this will make Dems crap themselves, Byrds seat under threat.

    In the first Rasmussen Reports post-primary survey of West Virginia’s U.S. Senate race, Democratic Governor Joe Manchin attracts 48% of the vote while Republican businessman John Raese earns 42%.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/west_virginia/election_2010_west_virginia_senate_special_election

    and there is talk of Manchin under Federal investigation and they aint even started to tie him to Bambi.

    West Virginia will probably go republican.

  173. Manchins gone from a 16% lead to a 6% lead from a well known and admired sitting Governor, i’d say the fact WV does not like Obama might just make manchin regret running this speacial election now.

  174. Crist does it again…this is getting ridiculous now.

    For the third time in one week, Florida Governor and US Senate candidate Charlie Crist has taken two positions on the same issue. First it was whether he would have voted for Obamacare, then it was whether he will refund Republican donors’ contributions since he is no longer a Republican and now it’s whether he favors a Constitutional ban on gay marriage.

    Early Sunday on CNN’s State of the Union program, Mr. Crist expressed his continued support for a ban on same-sex marriage saying, “I feel the same way, yes, because I feel that marriage is a sacred institution, if you will. But I do believe in tolerance. I’m a live and let live kind of guy, and while I feel that way about marriage, I think if partners want to have the opportunity to live together, I don’t have a problem with that.” All that was perfectly in keeping with his stance on the issue four years ago when he ran for governor.

    But just hours after that interview, Mr. Crist felt the need to backpedal and issued a statement claiming he is now against a Constitutional ban on same sex marriage. He claims his comments in the CNN interview were about his support for a state ban on gay marriage. “I was not discussing an amendment to the US Constitution banning same-sex marriage, which I do not support, but rather reaffirming my position regarding Florida’s constitutional ban that I articulated while running for governor,” he said in the statement.

    http://www.talkingsides.com/blogs/2010/08/30/crist-does-it-again

    The man is a total muppet.

  175. gonzotx
    August 30th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    I AGREE WITH JAN…SORRY HILLLARY
    ——
    I just saw this posted on Hot Air too, Jan sent the letter to Hillary at the State Dept, but wasn’t this Obama’s directive or was it from our girl?

  176. Oh please, what does Republicans expect Hillary to do? Object to having it included in the report if Obama wants it included. Quite frankly, Republican protests against Hillary are a bit meaningless imo — because I remember full well that many Republicans out there tagteamed with Obama in order to bash Hillary. They HELPED Obama get where he is. So you’ll have to excuse me if sometimes I don’t take them all that seriously….

    As for Brewer’s memo, I generally like Jan Brewer, but imo she is just grandstanding on minutiae. Brewer should know full well that the report has no actual meaningful purpose in terms of how things will be resolved in the US in terms of the Arizona law. She should have just ignored it….but instead, by elevating the report through her comment, she is legitimating it and thus, is having the OPPOSITE intended effect.

    I think some politicians need to realize when and where to pick their battles, instead of just putting on a dog and pony show of protest. So the remark was included in a report to the UN HRC. Big deal. 🙄 I’m much more glad that Hillary chooses to use her voice to protest when IT ACTUALLY MATTERS. For instance, she recently nixed a statement that the White House wanted regarding “Bridging proposals” in the new Israel-Palestine negotiations. Hillary exercised smart power there, because she understood that the framework in which the negotiations are launched will have an IMPACT on the negotiations. So she stood up meaningfully.

    My guess is that Hillary probably also understood that arguing with the White House over the inclusion of this remark in the UN HCR report wouldn’t have any measurable impact on the actual outcome of the Arizona law, so she let it go. Too bad Brewer couldn’t figure this out, and instead fell for typical bloviating on stuff that doesn’t even matter. Just my opinion.

  177. Fifth
    Hillary is adepth at speaking out AGAINST the fools agenda, letting the American people know it is the frauds agenda, I don’t remember a peep.Do you?

  178. and there is talk of Manchin under Federal investigation
    ——————————————————–
    There was talk of this when I was in West Virginia. Yet the New York Times says he is a popular governor. Popular with whom? Don Vito Correleone? His real name is not Manchin. It is Mancini.

  179. That’s a false strawman, I doubt anyone’s even asked Hillary about it yet. But, if you want to see the actual circumstances of the controversy, you don’t have to look any further than the report by the State Department. The Arizona law reference is item 95 in the report. It is the shortest of items in that subsection, mentioned almost anodynely. Item 92, also under the Immigration section of the report, comparatively is much longer, commends President Reagan for his comments about the US still being a beacon for pilgrims of all walks of life; Item 93 remarks about the DHS’ efforts to revamp the immigration detention system; Item 94 talks about how the DHS may delegate authority to state and local officers to enforce immigration law (gasp, something you’d think Brewer would be happy about!)….AND THEN it goes on to refer to the Arizona law, in the most tangential way possible. Here is the actual text that is stirring this all up:

    A recent Arizona law, S.B. 1070, has generated significant attention and debate at home and around the world. The issue is being addressed in a court action that argues that the federal government has the authority to set and enforce immigration law. That action is ongoing; parts of the law are currently enjoined.

    It is probably the most briefly included matter in the entire report. Also just looking at the report in terms of rhetorical structure, the next item begins with “President Obama remains firmly committed to our broken immigration system…” Quite an interesting juxtaposition of words, imo. As soon as the Arizona law is mentioned, she returns the onus back onto Obama. So, yes, in my opinion, I do think Hillary has tried to tell us what she thinks…

    That is why I think this issue is such a non-starter. Hillary did the minimum she had to here, and we all know Hillary is masterful at making her thoughts clear by not just by what she says, but how she says it….I think she is telling us exactly what we need to know in this instance. No reason for Jan Brewer or anybody else to pull a PR stunt over it. Just my opinion.

  180. Fifth Dimension
    Sadly I think that most people will just read the headline or the lead. I saw it early this am and said uh-oh.

  181. RUNNING FROM THEIR LEADER: DEMS FLEE FROM OBAMA’S SHADOW

    “Obama’s numbers certainly don’t help, but the larger drag on these candidates is the wrong track numbers,” said Democratic consultant Carter Eskew. “Those are in the kill zone for incumbents and make life very hard for all Democrats.”

    washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/29/AR2010082903848.html

    In 2010, Obama’s mantle less of an asset for Democrats
    =================

    By Chris Cillizza
    Monday, August 30, 2010

    Two years can change just about everything in politics.

    In the 2008 campaign, Democrats running for the Senate did anything – and everything – to associate themselves with then-Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois.

    With about two months remaining in the 2010 campaign season, however, Obama’s political fortunes have dipped in a handful of states holding competitive Senate races – complicating the winning math for Democratic candidates already struggling with a pessimistic electorate that remains deeply concerned about the country’s direction.

    “In midterm elections, the presidential numbers serve like a weight on scale,” said one senior Democratic consultant who spoke on the condition of anonymity to be candid about the playing field. “The heavier [or worse] the numbers, the harder it is for any person in the party to get back to even keel.”

    Recent polls on Obama conducted for many of the nation’s top Senate races show that those who disapprove of the job the president is doing outweigh those who approve.

    Take Pennsylvania, Colorado, Ohio and Indiana – four states that Obama won by 10, nine, five and one percentage points, respectively, in 2008.

    In each of those states, his job-approval numbers have taken a hit. A Franklin & Marshall poll released in Pennsylvania last week showed that just more than one in three (37 percent) rate the job the president has done as “excellent” or “good.” Internal Democratic polls released over the past week put Obama’s job-approval score at 42 percent (in Colorado) and 38 percent (in Indiana). In Ohio, a recent Quinnipiac University poll showed that 45 percent approved of the job he was doing, while 49 percent disapproved.

    Or take a trio of potential Democratic Senate pickup chances, in Kentucky, Missouri and Florida. (Obama lost Kentucky by 16 percentage points and Missouri by less than one, but he won Florida by three.)

    In Kentucky, a Braun Research poll pegged Obama’s job-approval rating at 40 percent while a Mason-Dixon poll in Missouri showed him at 34 percent. The news is best in Florida, where 47 approved and an equal 47 disapproved in a recent Quinnipiac survey.

    White House allies argue that in the handful of Senate races widely regarded as those that Republicans must win to take back the chamber, the president isn’t a neutral or negative force but a positive one.

    In California, where Sen. Barbara Boxer (D) faces a tough reelection fight against former Hewlett-Packard chief executive Carly Fiorina (R), a recent survey by the Public Policy Institute of California showed Obama’s approval exceeding his disapproval by 18 points. And in Wisconsin, where Sen. Russell Feingold (D) and Oshkosh businessman Ron Johnson (R) are squaring off, a University of Wisconsin survey showed Obama’s job-approval rating at 49 percent, with 46 percent disapproving.

    Washington state has had little reliable polling recently, but it’s hard to imagine that Obama isn’t an asset for Sen. Patty Murray (D) in her race against former state senator Dino Rossi (R).

    Democratic operatives note that although Obama’s job-approval numbers are nowhere near what they would like them to be 64 days before the midterm elections, many of the polls that show the president struggling also show tight Senate contests.

    “It doesn’t help,” acknowledged one senior Democrat closely monitoring the Senate races. “On the other hand, it doesn’t hurt as much as the other side will argue it does if the Senate candidate is running a good campaign and is well funded.”

    Historically, Senate races tend to be less heavily influenced by the direction – and strength – of the national political winds than House races in which the candidates are less well known to the electorate and on which the national parties typically spend less money.

    Still, although Obama’s low job-approval ratings in some key Senate seats probably won’t be why any Democrat loses, the president’s numbers could make a difference at the margins – where a handful of races are typically decided. In 2006, for example, three Democrats – Claire McCaskill (Mo.), James Webb (Va.) and Jon Tester (Mont.) – won by less than 50,000 votes. Those victories were attributable, in no small part, to a national political environment that was decidedly favorable to their side.

    In the broad view, however, it’s clear that Democratic Senate hopefuls will need to cope with a president who is no longer a clear political asset and an electorate that thinks things have gone badly off track.

    “Obama’s numbers certainly don’t help, but the larger drag on these candidates is the wrong track numbers,” said Democratic consultant Carter Eskew. “Those are in the kill zone for incumbents and make life very hard for all Democrats.”

  182. Shadowfax
    I agree as well, but doubt the reality of the situation will get any coverage. The media has its own agenda and part of it is smearing her when they get a chance.

  183. Then on a sudden the music changed, so soft that you scarce could hear;
    But you felt that your life had been looted clean of all that it once held dear;
    That someone had stolen the nation you loved; that Barack was a devil’s lie;
    That your guts were gone, and the best for you was to crawl away and die.
    ‘Twas the crowning cry of a patriot’s despair, and it thrilled you through and through —
    “I guess I’ll make it a spread misere”, said his mentor Soros György”.

    The music almost died away … then it burst like a pent-up flood;
    And it seemed to say, “Repay, repay,” and my eyes were blind with blood.
    The thought came back of an ancient wrong, and it stung like a frozen lash,
    And the lust awoke to throw him out … then the music stopped with a crash, etc.

    (Note: if you combine this with a double dip between now and then, barack might be in a heap of trouble. In that case back to Martha’s Vineyard will he run, with half of Big Media in tow for another wonderful vacation.
    ——————————————————————————————–

    PARTY TREND HAS YET TO KICK IN

    By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

    Published on DickMorris.com on August 25, 2010

    Printer-Friendly Version

    Don’t confuse the dramatic swell of the Republican tide that is becoming increasingly evident to the pundits of the country with party trend. Right before Election Day, the numbers will get even better and presage an even larger Republican victory.

    Party trend usually indicates itself in the ten days before an election when voters who do not typically follow politics closely tune in and decide for whom to vote. Until this window, they usually describe themselves to pollsters as “undecided.” There will be a huge Republican party trend this year, but it hasn’t happened yet.

    The huge Republican poll numbers these days do not reflect the last minute switches typical of less involved voters but rather mirror the disappointment with Obama and with Congress among voters who do follow politics closely that has accumulated over the past year and a half. It is this reappraisal of their political opinions that is occasioning the big swing toward Republicans in the 2010 election.

    The ranks of these disaffected voters who are now turning against Obama and the Democrats will soon be joined by the less involved voters who will come around in the week or ten days before the election.

    From the perception of the pollster, party trend is a bit like a curveball thrown by a pitcher to a batter. The election statistics remain fairly static for weeks or even months with little change as the race unfolds through September and early through mid October. Like a fastball that comes in straight and true.

    Then, suddenly, as the election nears, the vote swings wildly to one side or the other, akin to a curve ball that breaks as it approaches the batter – usually too late for him to make an adjustment. Suddenly, the tied races show up as decisive victories for the side that benefits from party trend. And the unwinnable races come into play.

    2010 is a year like no other in the magnitude of the partisan shift going on. It dwarfs 1994 and even 1974 in its order of magnitude. But we haven’t yet seen the full impact of the last minute party shift that will take place. Plenty of voters who are now undecided are yet to be heard from and, when they are, they will impact the results decisively.

    In which direction? Most likely they will transform a massive Republican win into an even more massive victory. The uninvolved voters who will decide late in the process are likely to break the same way the rest of the country is breaking – toward the Republicans. Surveys suggest that they share the disenchantment of the participating voters with the economy and Obama’s performance. They have just not focused on the coming election.

    Democrats hope that the less involved voters are also less educated and more likely to be the young or minority voters on whom their party depends. But the lack of enthusiasm among Democrats for Obama indicates that these voters are likely to decide by staying home. In the most recent Fox News/Opinion Dynamics study, 54% of Republicans said they were “very enthusiastic” about voting in the 2010 elections while only 28% of Democrats felt the same way.

    So the net result is that for those who anticipate a major Republican win in 2010, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet

  184. I’m currently unable to put in much computer time; the following looked interesting to me because it should put a dent in the Dem’s biggest talking point against Republicans. I’ve not read it through.

    Is the Tea Party Toxic for the GOP? | FoxNews.com

    Watch “The O’Reilly Factor” weeknights at 8 p.m. and 11 p.m. ET!
    LAURA INGRAHAM, GUEST HOST: In the “Impact” segment tonight: Is the Tea Party good for the Grand Old Party? One influential Republican, Michael Gerson, formally the chief speechwriter for President George W. Bush, doesn’t think so. In a Washington Post op-ed, he wrote that the Tea Party is “incompatible with some conservative and Republican beliefs. It is at odds with Abraham Lincoln’s inclusive tone and his conviction that government policies could empower individuals. It is inconsistent with religious teaching on government’s responsibility to seek the common good.”
    snip
    h t t p://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/transcript/tea-party-toxic-gop

  185. From the perception of the pollster, party trend is a bit like a curveball thrown by a pitcher to a batter.

    ——-
    For me, the real curve-ball would be for voters to throw all the Dem and Rethug crooks in Congress out, and the Independents would put in GREAT candidates that would win in 2010. (Centralists)

  186. One of the funniest things Barry has said in awhile:

    “I can’t spend all of my time with my birth certificate plastered on my forehead,” quipped Obama, who took a deep breath to gather his thoughts when asked if the poll reflected his inability to communicate with voters.

    “The facts are the facts. We went through some of this during the campaign — there is a mechanism, a network of misinformation that in a new media era can get churned out there constantly,” said a visibly annoyed Obama, referring to “birthers,” who have waged a guerrilla campaign questioning either the existence or the validity of his Hawaiian birth certificate.

    “I will always put my money on the American people, and I’m not going to be worried too much about what rumors are floating around there.”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41575.html#ixzz0y7f8K6qN

  187. Well lookey here, must be bad if its Gallup.

    GALLUP : GOP Takes Unprecedented 10-Point Lead on Generic Ballot

    PRINCETON, NJ — Republicans lead by 51% to 41% among registered voters in Gallup weekly tracking of 2010 congressional voting preferences. The 10-percentage-point lead is the GOP’s largest so far this year and is its largest in Gallup’s history of tracking the midterm generic ballot for Congress.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/142718/GOP-Unprecedented-Lead-Generic-Ballot.aspx

  188. Yes, Shadow- I was thinking the same thing with one reservation. I am bloody sick of the politicos on both sides and now that they have voted themselves hefty raises for the next two years and put SS recipients on hold for 2 more yrs they all deserve the boot. I’m voting for any challenger of an incumbent no matter their affiliation.

  189. Shadowfax
    August 30th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    One of the funniest things Barry has said in awhile:

    “I can’t spend all of my time with my birth certificate plastered on my forehead,” quipped Obama,
    &&&&&&&&&

    Funny, we never asked that he go around with “identity papers at all times”. We just asked him for it once, at the time he was “applying for the job”.

    So by misrepresenting the reasonable request as something over-the-top unreasonable, he seeks to make legitimate questions about his proof of citizenship into BIZARRE DEMANDS OF AN EXTREME FRINGE.

    What a fuck head.

  190. Rut..Roh…Follow the money:

    “The businessman and his wife become known, by their tenants, however as slumlords. This slumlord cheers the state senator all the way to the U.S. Senate and now the slumlord is a subject drawing a lot of attention. If you are thinking Rezko and Obama then you are in the wrong part of the country.

    The U.S. Senator in question is Bob Menendez from Union City, New Jersey. The slumlords? None other than Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf and his wife Daisy Khan. It appears that Sen. Menendez has accumulated the prerequisite background associations to be declared a Future President.

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2010/08/30/future-president/

  191. SHV, what are you talking about? That Imam is a man of Allah, a man of impeccable character, he wants to bring people together, and blah, blah.. Who cares if he is a slumlord and corrupt to boot like Rezko bedding with corrupt politicians a la Obama? 😉

  192. holdemaccountable…I’ve been looking for that link forever…thanks for posting it. It was interesting! All about those rino’s!

  193. No reason for Jan Brewer or anybody else to pull a PR stunt over it. Just my opinion.
    ***********
    Fifth
    Good analysis, but I beg to differ, Jan Brewer has to fight this and she is just doing her job, no PR stunt

  194. #
    Mrs. Smith
    August 30th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Yes, Shadow- I was thinking the same thing with one reservation. I am bloody sick of the politicos on both sides and now that they have voted themselves hefty raises for the next two years and put SS recipients on hold for 2 more yrs they all deserve the boot. I’m voting for any challenger of an incumbent no matter their affiliation.

    ——-
    I’m doing the same thing, VOTE ALL THE BUMS OUT! (Except Diane Feinstein, I still like her…the rest are just on the gravy train.)

  195. Shadowfax and Mrs.Smith, Those raises just gall me! So many people out of work and those blood suckers asking for more money and bigger plane and more grey goose vodka for the trips….all should be fired!

    Do we know who it was that submitted the raise…didn’t that have to go before the house and senate???

  196. The idiosy of the lefties amazes me…just saw a comment that asked who’s the left’s Sarah…OMG the people are clueless!

  197. continuing,

    What is in it for Obama? The Saudis have his birth certificate, I would safely assume.

    And
    they won’t let him walk around with it plastered over his forehead.

  198. confloyd
    August 30th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    I don’t think that’s crap. I assume you mean Hillary is the Left’s Palin, but Hillary isn’t in a position right now where she can go out and rally people and influence domestic policy. I think Marsh means that right now there is no one on the Left generating excitement. i really don’t know why you would have a problem with that.

    As for the birth certificate, even Ann Coulter thinks the birthers are out to lunch on that. He’s American. Deal with it.

  199. And, Hillary is a leftie so I don’t n=know why people here continually disparage anyone on the Left. For crissakes, she’s no Republican, and she’s not going to become one. She’s a DEMOCRAT. Maybe some of you just don’t agree with Hillary on the issues anymore. But I sincerely doubt she goes around thinking how wonderfully smart Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, and Charles krauthammer are. Some of you people seem to think the only anger out there is on the Right. You seem to have bought the Right wing argument hook line and sinker. The same exact arguments they always make against Democrats. But why don’t you try reading or listening to some liberal leaning people any day of the week? You’ll see there is an entirely different critique of Obama out there and it’s on the Left. And, frankly, Hillary’s strength is her competence and her left leaning positions on the issues, not her mirroring of Republicans, which she simply doesn’t do.

  200. mj, Maybe I should have clarified that and said…we did have Hillary and you guys feel for a sleek teleprompter.
    I don’t know why TM said that as I know she was a and still does like Hillary, but as you say she is in no position to do anything about it now…WHY IS THAT?? Why does it seem that no one wants to ruffle this guys feathers.

    As far as the BC, the rethugs are covering it up too, and that’s what I wonder about.

  201. mj, I know what you are saying that the left has a whole complete idea about Obama….well what is it…that he has accomplished they hired him to do?? Is that it because he’s failed miserably. I have a good friend that was a Hillary supporter and turned to Obama when she said to at the convention. He is not going to vote for the stinking rethugs, but he sure doesn’t like what Obama is doing. So how do we convince Obama to take a different direction??? I think most on here think by voting against him in the midterms, what do you think we should do???

  202. mj, I know Hillary is a left leaning democrat, so why doesn’t the left recognize that…could it be a payback for what Bill did…because it really irritates me when they slime her.

  203. Moon: take a look at this. He thinks the Repbublicans could win as many as 13 seats. If they win 10 seats they get the senate. But bear in mind Morris is being selective. I will be seeing one of Murray’s big supporters this week so I looked to see how she is doing compared to her opponent in the Washington Senate race. According to Rass survey of likely voters Murray is leading 48 to 44 with a 4% MOE, and 4% undecided. Yet Morris cites a survey usa poll which shows Murray behind 45 to 52%. Figures do not lie, but liars definitely do figure. Therefore, the trick is to figure out which liar to believe. If this is a wave election that Cook says it is, and if Morris is right that the undecideds wake up within 10 days of the election, and cascade to the winning side then it will probably be a rout regardless of what the polls say now.
    —————————————————————————————————

    HOW REPUBLICANS WILL WIN THE SENATE

    By DICK MORRIS

    It gets tiresome hearing the conventional wisdom say that the Democrats will likely keep control of the Senate. Far from it.

    To gain control, Republicans must win ten new seats. An analysis of the latest polling data suggests that Republicans currently hold the lead in eight pick-up states: Pennsylvania, Colorado, Wisconsin, Washington State, Arkansas, Delaware, North Dakota, and Indiana. In a ninth, Illinois, the candidates are tied and, in the tenth – Nevada – Reid is ahead by only one point. And, for insurance, Boxer in California and Gillibrand in New York are both below 50% of the vote. In Connecticut, Blumenthal is only at 50%. That’s a potential pickup of thirteen seats and a likely gain of at least ten (enough for a majority).

    Any incumbent who is running at less than 50% of the vote is in serious trouble. It means that a majority of the voters have decided not to vote for him or her. (Asked if you are likely to be married to the same person next year, a vote of “undecided” does not bode well for your marriage).

    So here are the numbers:

    August 27th Polls

    Nevada:

    Reid (D) 45 / Angle (R) 44 (Mason Dixon)

    With Reid this far under 50%, Angle is likely to win.

    August 26th Polls

    Florida:

    (Currently Republican) Rubio (R) / 40 Crist (I) 30 / Meek (D) 21 (Rasmussen)

    So much for Crist!

    Pennsylvania:

    Toomey 40 (R) / Sestak (D) 31 (Franklin-Marshall)

    August 25th Polls

    Colorado:

    Buck (R) 49 / Bennett (D) 40 (Reuters)

    California:

    Boxer (D) 49 / Fiorina (R) 44 (Rasmussen)

    Boxer has gained a bit, but still in trouble.

    Louisiana:

    (Currently Republican) Vitters (R) / 51 Melancon (D) 41 (PPP)

    Wisconsin:

    Johnson (R) 47 / Feingold (D) 46 (Rasmussen)

    Illinois:

    Giannoulias (D) 45 / Kirk (R) 45 (Rasmussen)

    August 24th polls

    Missouri:

    (Currently Republican) Blunt: 54 / Carnahan: 41 (Rasmussen)

    August 21st Polls

    Washington State:

    Rossi (R) 52 / Murray (D) 45 (SurveyUSA)

    August 20th Polls

    Arkansas: Boozeman (R) 65 / Lincoln (D) 27 (Rasmussen)

    This is not a typo!

    The most likely results are that Republicans win the eight seats in which they now lead and also take Illinois and Nevada for a gain of ten seats and control. They also have a good shot in California and possible upsets in New York and Connecticut.

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  204. Illinois:

    Giannoulias (D) 45 / Kirk (R) 45 (Rasmussen)
    ———————
    Can you believe that? This is yellow dog stuff.

  205. I don’t put much stock into what Morris thinks. Obama’s poll numbers are in the mid 40’s and with tomorrow’s speech, he will get a further bump. He will take credit for Iraq and claim republicans are blocking impt, economic legislation. Never underestimate this man and the people behind….

  206. Marshes point wasn’t a comparison. She was simply stating the obvious. The Left could use someone to influence the Party toward their issues. A good deal of the Left is frustrated with this adminstration.

  207. JanH
    Personally, comparing Hillary to Sarah Palin is like apples and oranges to me.

    ===================

    Kind of. They are different, but both good. Hillary would work for more FDR-type programs, which once set up, would probably go on indefinitely. Sarah would do some clean up and save some money — till the next administration got in and messed things up again.

  208. mj said:
    there is an entirely different critique of Obama out there and it’s on the Left.

    ===================

    So please post more of it here!

  209. JanH
    August 30th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Personally, comparing Hillary to Sarah Palin is like apples and oranges to me.
    ———–
    Yup, I feel the same way.
    Sarah is great for her party, and I love how she speaks out for what she believes in and rails on Obama. But………..she isn’t an old school Democrat and she isn’t quite center enough for me, but she is 1000% better than most Rethugs.

  210. mj
    August 30th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    confloyd
    August 30th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Half the Left, confloyd. Half the left, a little more, wanted Hill.
    ——–
    18 Million people prefered Hillary over the empty suit. Most of them couldn’t toss McCain their vote to stop Barry, they never thought any Democrat could do such a lousy job, especially with his ‘good education’.

    Well, they were wrong…………and now all American’s are paying for that mistake. And the Rethugs that didn’t vote for McCain are even more at fault for not supporting a candidate that is more Rethug than Dem. What were they thinking?

  211. Greta is going to have Jan Brewer on in a few minutes and talk to her about the letter she sent Hillary.

  212. shadowfax…if more than half of the dems wanted Hillary why isn’t she the President right now…because they all worked against her behind the scenes…that’s who I am talking about…those folks should be tarred and feathered and run out of DC.

  213. Obama is so irritated with all the railing against him…he is such a pantywaist…look what Bill and Hillary went thru and they managed to get things done.

  214. Oh, give me a break about lefty critique of Obama. They went with him like sheep after the primary and most of them are still with him. They didn’t want to figure out what happened during the primary and even when told they did not know what to do and swept it under the rug. These are everyday hardcore Democratic voters and not even establishment/big media types. They are all still as ignorant as they were and they are still around you and me.

  215. confloyd
    August 30th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    You are confusing the elites with the voters.

    pm317
    August 30th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    Most Democrats continued to go to the polls and give Hillary victory after victory in the primary despite the media saying it was over. They are not ignorant, they just simply are not Republicans. They voted against McCain because his Party leader, George Bush, had the economy fall on his watch. It’s rational for voters to vote against that sort of incompetence, or at the least to sit home. But most left leaning people are never going to be Republicans. They may sit home or vote against the in Party this year and the next, but most left leaning voters are not going to decide the Republicans were right all along on the issues, and that’s who they are now. That’s just not going to happen anymore than Republicans who sat home in the last election, or voted Obama, are going to become Democrats.

  216. shadowfax, I am at work so pls post what Brewer said about the letter to Hillary. This is just mind boggling. The UN??

  217. Mideast Talks To Test Clinton’s Negotiating Skills

    by Michele Kelemen
    August 31, 2010

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has been consulting her predecessors and past U.S. Middle East negotiators as she prepares to host Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas on Thursday.

    By formally launching the talks at the State Department, Clinton is signaling that she wants the two sides to get back to business on the core issues dividing them, and that she will personally play an active role, said one of her closest aides, who asked not to be named.

    Aaron David Miller, a public policy scholar at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars says, “You have to be tough, if not devious.”

    Getting Into The Mix

    He says Clinton is “plenty tough,” but he doesn’t know whether she has “the negotiators’ mindset” as former Secretaries of State Henry Kissinger and James Baker did.
    “You don’t learn that, you don’t go to school to be a secretary of state negotiator,” said Miller, who has advised six secretaries of state on the Middle East peace process. “It’s intuitive.”

    Miller says that while George Mitchell, the U.S. Middle East special envoy, will have a role to play going forward, Clinton has to “own” this issue. “If she were looking for a way to get into the Secretary of State Hall of Fame, this would be the issue, because it plays to her strength and it’s an issue that the president cares a great deal about,” he said. “But, in the end, for her that means one thing more than anything — getting into the middle of the mix.”

    Tough Road Ahead

    One of Clinton’s aides, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, says she has been playing an active, behind-the-scenes role in persuading Netanyahu and Abbas to get back to direct negotiations, and she has gained some useful, hands-on experience in her nearly two years as secretary of state. When she persuaded rivals Turkey and Armenia to sign protocols to normalize relations last year, “the thing she did effectively was start by listening,” her aide said, adding that Clinton’s legal training was also useful.

    She also knows “the whole cast of characters” in the Middle East through her years as first lady, senator and now secretary of state. Clinton has no illusions about the difficulties ahead, as she pointed out when she announced the talks.

    “Without a doubt, we will hit more obstacles. The enemies of peace will keep trying to defeat us and to derail these talks,” Clinton said. “But I ask the parties to persevere.”

    There are no trips on the schedule yet, but Clinton is likely to spend more time in the region, in part to persuade the Palestinian and Israeli publics that they should support the talks. Her aide says this is not the start of shuttle diplomacy. Rather, the plan is to get Netanyahu and Abbas into a “regular rhythm” of meetings.

    ‘Capital In Her Pocket’

    It is wise to intervene only when needed, says Robert Danin, who ran the Jerusalem office of the Middle East Quartet, a diplomatic group that includes the U.S., U.N., Russia and European Union. He has seen many secretaries of state in the past and says that after a while, the Israelis and Palestinians stop paying attention. “The fact that Secretary Clinton has held back actually means that she has some capital in her pocket that she can now deploy,” he says. “It’s important that you go out to the region, but it’s also important not to go too much.”

    Danin, the Eni Enrico Mattei Senior Fellow for Middle East and Africa Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations, says Clinton is known to be creative in problem-solving, a skill in high demand right now as Israel’s partial moratorium on settlement construction is set to expire in late September.

    “Prime Minister Netanyahu is adamant that he will not renew the moratorium. President Abbas is adamant that renewed settlement activity will scuttle the talks,” Danin said. “And so that is a big problem.” Danin adds that it will require deft diplomacy.

    It has taken the administration so long to persuade the parties to sit down together and speak about the core issues that U.S. officials hope the talks can survive this first of many expected hurdles.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129482274

  218. “Most Democrats continued to go to the polls and give Hillary victory after victory in the primary despite the media saying it was over.”

    Yes, they did but a close to equal number of people gave him their vote as well and then most of the 18 million Hillary voters went on to vote for him despite knowing what happened in the primary. My point is party faithfuls are not going to be critical enough of him that they won’t vote for him. What good is their critique? He was chosen to execute an agenda and execute he will and it is not the lefty agenda. In some Democrats’ minds, joining forces with the Independents and Republicans to rid the office of him sooner than later may actually make way for something better.

  219. confloyd
    August 30th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    shadowfax, I am at work so pls post what Brewer said about the letter to Hillary. This is just mind boggling. The UN??
    ———–
    Confloyd, Jan is livid against the ‘Obama Administration’ for their actions using AZ as an example. Jan didn’t say, it’s Hillary’s fault, she wrote to Hillary because she is ahead of the State Dept, and the State Dept acted in response to Barry’s direction…or that’s what I got out of it.

  220. pm317

    I’m not disagreeing with that, but that doesn’t mean the critique on the Left isn’t important because if the only argument is the rightwing argument, they will be all that is left when the dust settles, and that’s not a good thing. Further, it allienates Hillary supporters when all they here is a lot of rightwing stuff they don’t agree with. Look at the people at the Confluence. They are anti-Obama, but they certainly don’t buy into the rightwing argument against liberals.

  221. Paula
    August 30th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    Brewer is grandstanding. Yawn …

    ================

    So was Obama. Yawn …

  222. Well, Brewer is using this to her political advantage. She is polling unbelievably well when you think about what a bad state Arizona is economically.

  223. In the context of Ground Zero mosque and people who talk about tolerance and those who talk about sensitivity, take a look at this article:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/world/asia/30india.html

    Sikhism was founded by Guru Nanak as an answer to the ills in caste-oriented Hinduism. Over the centuries there have been many religions, big and small that got started to address the perceived social injustices of the time in the Hindu religion. There was also atheism that was celebrated and followed. I sometimes wonder how it all holds together despite the diversity. My theory is that there is enough critical mass in every group or religion that it prevents people from getting all angry all the time at somebody. America does not have that kind of diversity yet and it may never have that and it bothers me when people knock on my door or send me mail to try to convert me to Christianity.

    Sikhism is a minority religion and the current PM is a Sikh but there was no big hoopla one or another about his religion when he got elected.

  224. Look at the people at the Confluence. They are anti-Obama, but they certainly don’t buy into the rightwing argument against liberals.

    ——————-

    Oh, you want the Hillary Democrats here to be just like those at the Confluence. You could just move over there, no?

    mj, it is a free country. You take what you want and leave the rest to their own devices.

  225. pm317
    August 30th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    “Most Democrats continued to go to the polls and give Hillary victory after victory in the primary despite the media saying it was over.”

    Yes, they did but a close to equal number of people gave him their vote as well and then most of the 18 million Hillary voters went on to vote for him despite knowing what happened in the primary. My point is party faithfuls are not going to be critical enough of him that they won’t vote for him. What good is their critique? He was chosen to execute an agenda and execute he will and it is not the lefty agenda.

    =====================

    Do you have a figure for how many of Hillary’s 18 million did know about the caucus cheating etc? People in late primary states may have voted for Hillary but not followed the details that closely.

    And even if they did know — many Hillary people did vote for Obama vs McCain, thinking it was just between H or O to carry out the same Dem agenda. At that time they didn’t know how much of a sell-out, a DINO, Obama would be.

    So if we show them that Obama’s agenda is NOT a Lefty agenda — well, they can make a more informed choice next chance. Maybe to support a primary challenger. Maybe to do a left-wing third party protest vote. Maybe to pressure Obama to shape up, through moveon or similar groups. Nice to see his own cultists turning against him!

    It’s all good.

  226. I was told frequently that what occurred in the caucuses did not happen. If it had it would have been on the news. Nearly everyone I know voted for Hillary and then for waffles. Doubt if most of my relatives would be able to cast an R vote. Democrat is part of their identity.

  227. pm,

    Pls not so much twisty rhetoric. If you dont’ want to see any leftist posting, go to FreeReppublic.

    This should be a site of healthy diversity — BOTH sides and the middle. 😉

    Thanks to mj, Paula, basement — everyone for hanging in.

  228. SALT LAKE CITY – The proposed Islamic Center and Mosque near Ground Zero in New York has drawn protests from many Republican leaders. Major national GOP figure, Senator Orrin Hatch is defending the right of Muslims to build there. “If the Muslims own that property,” said Hatch. “It’s private property and they want to build a Mosque there, they should have the right to do so.”

    Most prominently, Hatch sponsored the religious land use and zoning bill, which passed the U.S. Senate unanimously in 2000. Hatch said it is really an issue for New Yorkers and for the Mosque builders themselves. “The only question is are they being insensitive to those who suffered the loss of loved ones? We know there are Muslims killed on 9-11 and we know it’s a great religion,” Hatch told FOX 13.

    Get It Now: FOX 13 News E-mail Newsletters and Text Message Alerts | Mobile Web Site and Smartphone Apps | Twitter and Facebook

    Hatch relates his sensitivity to the issue to his own experience fighting for building rights for the LDS Church, in particular the LDS Boston Temple dedicated in Massachusetts in 2000. Hatch said he is aware that public opinion is against building the Mosque. “That should not make a difference if they decided to build it and I’d be the first to stand up for their rights,” Hatch said.

  229. Okay this is scary
    The picture of waffles with umbrella was going viral, but if you do a google, yahoo or a bing search for obama umbrella you get nothing about the picture. Not even when you just search images.(someone else pointed the fact out on Hillbuzz for google so I tried other search engines). That frightens me.

  230. mj, it is a free country. You take what you want and leave the rest to their own devices
    ————————
    mj–I do not know if you saw my comment about about the people I met with to try to develop a convention strategy. I called them pumas and the microsoft lady was. But I now recall the rest of them were conflucians. I thought they were very different from us, like ships passing in the night. I must tell you I was disappointed. And somebody told me that Riverdaughter herself ended up voting for Obama, because she could not bring herself to vote for McCain. Obviously, she has since renewed her criticism. I would think and hope they would support Hillary again if she runs in 2012.

  231. henry, I tried the search this morning and there was nothing, no picture from NL at all and there were plenty of umbrella pictures. This may be how the lefty liberal nerds at Google criticize Obama, they block the most damaging pictures of Obama and that is how we know how damaging it is to him.

  232. shadowfax, So they did not get to hang that on Hillary?? I am glad about that and if I was Gov. Brewer I’d be livid too. These are her people and she must protect them. Honestly why are the dems taking this to the UN, its almost as if we were already a “one world govt.” Who gives a crap what the UN says…they sure don’t do anything to stop the abuse of women or anything else for that matter. I think its a waste of space to have them here. They need to move it to Sweden.

  233. pm317
    Not just google but yahoo and bing as well. Seems to me that his Achilles heel is probably the fact that he cannot take ridicule. I still seethe when I recall how he said it would be inappropriate for him to go on SNL with an impending storm. Bullsh*t!! Crisis upon crisis hasn’t stopped him from golfing or vacationing.

  234. He says Clinton is “plenty tough,” but he doesn’t know whether she has “the negotiators’ mindset” as former Secretaries of State Henry Kissinger and James Baker did.
    “You don’t learn that, you don’t go to school to be a secretary of state negotiator,” said Miller, who has advised six secretaries of state on the Middle East peace process. “It’s intuitive.”

    Miller says that while George Mitchell, the U.S. Middle East special envoy, will have a role to play going forward, Clinton has to “own” this issue. “If she were looking for a way to get into the Secretary of State Hall of Fame, this would be the issue, because it plays to her strength and it’s an issue that the president cares a great deal about,” he said. “But, in the end, for her that means one thing more than anything — getting into the middle of the mix.”
    ———————-
    I knew this is what they were going to hang on her….she has to own it…my God…this is not the average negotiation. I knew they were going to screw her, it was just a matter of time.

  235. wbboei, RD did a survey of her commenters and tried to show how well educated they were, majority PhDs and six figure salaries, and so on.. May be she thought she had to compete with the ‘intellectual’ heavy weights on the Obamabot blog sites. You know perhaps to show she and her followers were not hicks and God forbid, Republican. I know Turndown will ask me for a link but she can Google it herself.

  236. What do you mean, “go to the UN” with the arizona thing? I thought that was just part of some report not something that the UN can act on.

  237. confloyd
    August 30th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    Who said that? Gee, that dispute is literally as old as time. I don’t think most rational people will think Hillary is responsible for enduring peace in the middle east.

  238. The Tea Party is protesting some very open, obvious targets: the bailouts etc.

    We anti-Obama people are objecting to various things that are unknown to most or not obvious or are denied. Primary cheating, unadmitted corporate agenda, phoney health care bill, etc etc. Some of our targets are faux-leftwing, some are true leftwing (eg protecting the Black Panthers). Some targets are faux-rightwing, some are true rightwing.

    Hard to get a consensus with such a mixed bag.

  239. Riverdaughter did not vote for Obama. I don’t know where you got that but it is not true
    —————————–
    Honestly, I do not remember. I thought she did a terrific job of supporting Hillary, even at the convention. It surprised me when I heard it, and that is what made it memorable. But I cannot recall the source. Perhaps someone else knows. I will double back and check.

  240. mj
    August 30th, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    What do you mean, “go to the UN” with the arizona thing? I thought that was just part of some report not something that the UN can act on.

    ===================

    Me too.

  241. pm317
    August 30th, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    That was about Vhris Bowers and his ridiculous “creative class” thing. He argued only hicks essentially supported Hillary. But yes, alot of Hillary’s most ardent supporters are liberals and don’t care for the Republicans or ObamaDemocrats. personally, I don’t go for the idea that people with superior education are smarter than anyone else, and I say this coming from a family of academics.

  242. Henry, if you search for ‘Drudge Obama umbrella’ you get a bunch of articles from today talking about the dumb umbrella incident but search for images, nothing.

  243. “Palin, in an interview on Fox Business Network, was asked whether the Massachusetts Republican was “on notice” for siding with Democrats on several key votes.”

    Is a Republican ‘on notice’? You’d think that would be question for the head of the Republican party.

    Oh, wait….

  244. The sickest voice in cyberspace has got to be that rumproast blog. They have got to be a group of Obama paid bloggers. Nobody could be as deranged as they are unless they were on somebody’s payroll.

  245. wbboei: “I called them pumas and the microsoft lady was. But I now recall the rest of them were conflucians.”

    wbboei – IIRC, the conflucians very quickly threw OFF the PUMA label. I’ve heard them say they are NOT PUMAs. They seem to have decided that all PUMAs have become republicans. Or maybe PUMAs aren’t socialistic enough for them. Or maybe they just want to be their own club and not join up in a bigger movement….? I don’t know….

  246. The only thing I heard was that Arizona was going to be reported to the UN for human rights violations. What the UN can do, I don’t know, you can tell me, but I just don’t like the idea…we Americans invented the term human rights. Arizona isn’t violating anyones rights.

  247. mj
    August 30th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
    ————
    I was new to American politics until I got into the thick of it during 08 primary. I am a typical Obama demographic but saw through him early on and did not want to vote for him at any cost. I gave Hillary the full money support and persuaded my husband to pitch in as well and all that without expecting even a picture at a fundraiser because I didn’t go to any. I am of liberal persuasion but I loathe what happened in the primary and I want Obama and his enablers to pay for it. There is still a lot of anger on these blogs. If you see people linking to Republican sources, it is not because they have bought the right wing arguments but there is a yearning that somehow Obama will be dislodged from the office and Hillary could get elected. Everyone knows that Hillary will not mount a primary challenge. So Obama has to leave because of his own incompetence and somehow Independents and Republicans become party to that goal.

    BTW, Palin is like Obama when it comes to competence and I don’t think she is ready for the presidency.

  248. confloyd
    August 30th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
    I knew this is what they were going to hang on her….she has to own it…my God…this is not the average negotiation. I knew they were going to screw her, it was just a matter of time.
    ____________________________

    confloyd-

    STOP with the gloom and doom already. Hillary is not your average negotiator. And quizzically, all the Gloom and Doomers conveniently dismiss the fact she is married to one of the only Presidents that has been personally involved in attempting to broker a ME agreement. The Clintons know better than anyone else what their (Israel/Palestine)problems are and what needs to happen for any type of resolution…

    So, why are we going there suggesting someone is going to screw Hillary when there is no reason to believe they are not even close? At least NOT yet. It’s disingenuous even though I know you don’t mean it to be hurtful to Hillary for you to float a rumor that Obama is trying to screw Hillary, when at this point in time there is no reason to believe it exists.

  249. mj – I myself wouldn’t call Hillary a “lefty”. She’s left on social issues, although I believe she would support limits on welfare as her husband did. But you know she’s more hawkish than any “standard lefty”. So, she’s not 100% “lefty”. If she were a dog, she’d be yellow on the left, and blue on the right with a little red tinge….?

  250. mRs. Smith, I wasn’t trying to float any rumor, just concerned about Hillary and not trusting Obama. That’s it.

  251. lorac
    August 31st, 2010 at 12:22 am
    —————
    Yep, she is definitely more hawkish.. In fact didn’t she pay a price with her Iraq vote with this crowd? For some it was a convenient argument and for others who bought the lefty arguments she was another Bush itching to start a war with Iran — I spoke to some anti-war Dems in Santa Cruz who actually feared such an outcome if she got elected. How ridiculous is that?

  252. Out of curiosity I looked through the 10 pages of images that came up from yahoo not one with waffles trying to figure out how to get that umbrella through. However there is a picture which is titled Obama Hillary Clinton and it is of a man on top of a woman. To tasteless to post, but I guess that’s okay for yahoo.Won’t post a pic that makes him look like an ass but one insinuating he’s screwing Clinton is okay.

  253. lorac
    August 31st, 2010 at 12:22 am
    mj – I myself wouldn’t call Hillary a “lefty”. She’s left on social issues, although I believe she would support limits on welfare as her husband did.

    Twice she talked her husband into vetoing welfare reform because she didn’t think it left enough in place to help poor women. But, seriously, which prominent Democrats are arguing to restore welfare? None. This is a non-issue. Hillary is to the left of Obama on a number of domestic issues, particularly health care. But, more importantly, she, like Bill, is a competent leader, who would have much more skillfully handled regrowing the economy, reforming health care, etc.. And, that’s where I think the repub argument is seriously flawed. I don’t think Obama is too leftish. I think he’s too corporate and too incompetent. Finally, Hillary maybe be more hawkish than some Dems, but she is no neocon. I think it is hard to argue she is more hawkish than Obama given the way he has grown our involvement in Afghanistan.

  254. wbboei
    August 30th, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    Riverdaughter did not vote for Obama. I don’t know where you got that but it is not true.
    ____________________________

    Unless, someone was in the voting booth with Riverdaughter and can verify who she voted for, she is under no legal obligation to tell you WHO she voted for. afaic- the point is moot. I was an avid reader of the Confluence and Pumapac then and I distinctly remember (you can verify with the follow -up posts after the election nite @ Confluence) Riverdaughter’s champagne celebration party and toasting for Obama’s winning the election vs McCain. My impression of RD at the time is she was afraid of losing her job if they found out she voted for McCain. No matter, there was a decisive split then and there between Pumapac and the Confluence… and they have never been the same since.

    At the time, voting for McCain was seen as a protest vote against Obama. Had nothing to do with supporting Republicans. That was just an excuse..

  255. pm317
    August 31st, 2010 at 12:31 am
    lorac
    August 31st, 2010 at 12:22 am
    —————
    Yep, she is definitely more hawkish.. In fact didn’t she pay a price with her Iraq vote with this crowd?

    ===

    Yes, she paid the price to a guy who wasn’t around to vote on authorizing force at all, and didn’t say anything anti-war in his Senate primary campaign until he was forced to by the fact that all his primary opponents(five), came out against the measure, in a state where nearly every Democrat elected to federal office voted against the authorization. he didn’t exactly go against the grain. LOL. Some people are such dolts.

  256. Yes, Mrs. Smith, there was a split. They were not pro-mccain. But they did not celebrate Obama’s win. That’s just wrong. Whatever.

  257. It’s a common political strategy during a PRIMARY, Democratic candidates cater to the LEFT (it does not mean they are far left.. they cater and listen to the Left for their support.)

    After the Primaries are over, Democratic Candidates move to the center for the General and moderate their leftist leanings by going CENTERIST. And that is where Hillary stays in the CENTER.. always! That is why historically she has received high praise for her statesmanship and negotiating skills.

  258. Mrs. Smith
    August 31st, 2010 at 12:47 am

    Republicans were calling her a socialist as late as 2006. She ran as a centrist. news flash, so did Obama! And, on every domestic issue he was to the corporate friendly-right leaning side of Hillary. That’s why a lot of conservative Democrats in Congress endorsed him. Geesh. She has a huge policy making record. Read it. She’s leans left on domestic issues. Obama is an incompetent not a far leftist or whatever.

  259. Do you have a figure for how many of Hillary’s 18 million did know about the caucus cheating etc? People in late primary states may have voted for Hillary but not followed the details that closely.

    ———
    I have a very good idea that very few of the 18 million knew how badly Barry and his thugs cheated, and when I tried to tell some of them, they didn’t want to believe me…even the ones that I know very well and trust my judgement on other things. They just didn’t want to believe it.
    The few that I have convinced, only believe me now because they are so mad at how poorly Barry has been as a President.

  260. Missing his moment, and America’s

    President Obama, like most of our consequential presidents, arrived at the right time; unlike them, he may have badly misread his moment, and America’s.

    August 20, 2010|By Aaron David Miller

    Woody Allen got it wrong. Ninety percent of success in life isn’t just showing up; it’s showing up at the right time and knowing what to do once you get there.

    Barack Obama has gotten it half right then. Like most of our consequential presidents, he arrived at the right time; unlike them, he may have badly misread his moment, and America’s.

    This intuitive capacity (or lack of it) to read the nation’s mood and circumstances accurately is a crucial component of effective leadership. In Obama’s case, it may well be that who he is and what he has wanted have prevented him from seeing clearly what most Americans want and need.

    Because we focus on the character and personal qualities (for good or ill) of our presidents, we often ignore the importance of circumstances and just plain dumb luck in elevating or constraining presidential performance. (snip)

    all great transformers wrap their actions in values and ideals that, while bold, are also familiar and consistent with those of the nation’s story. Lincoln and FDR, for example, sold revolutionary change by claiming that it was anchored in what the nation’s founders had intended all along. In the case of FDR, Thomas Jefferson was the Democratic anchor of choice. Indeed, it was no accident that the Jefferson Memorial was built, and Jefferson’s face was stamped onto the nickel, during the Roosevelt administration.

    Like other consequential presidents, Obama was a man on a mission in 2008. But he has allowed his agenda to obscure his capacity to see where most Americans were and what they wanted.

    First, he was convinced that the country was so badly served by his Republican predecessor that most Americans understood the need for sweeping change and were prepared to support it. Second, he misread his crisis: the recession. That crisis, though severe to be sure, was not so nation-encumbering that it forced the political system out of fear or desperation to become more pliable. When combined with a Republican Party determined to say no to just about anything, transformative change has proved difficult indeed.

    Besides, Obama isn’t FDR. He wasn’t as skilled, as grounded in the American experience or, frankly, as likable as Roosevelt, and so he hasn’t come to serve as a repository of the nation’s trust and confidence. FDR, like Obama, was hated by many, but he was also beloved by millions.

    Finally, unlike some of his predecessors who grounded change in values that many Americans found familiar and functional, Obama hasn’t found a unifying message situated in an American experience that is universally shared. Part of Obama’s problem is his uniqueness: His professorial, detached and cool-to-cold nature, the racial prejudice against him and his outlier background make him a different kind of president than most Americans have known.

    Obama may have had no choice but to introduce a large stimulus bill to stop the economic bleeding, but healthcare reform (and the way it was done) represented an overreach and stressed a political system that was already dysfunctional. It also convinced many, however unfairly, that he was a man of the left and a big-spending liberal to boot. It isn’t for nothing that Gallup ranked him as the most polarizing first-year president since its polling began. Liberals are unhappy, independents are running away, Republicans are rejoicing in his travail, and movements like the “tea party” are gaining ground — all of which makes the case for Obama as polarizer in chief. Only 13% of Americans believe they have benefited from his economic policies, the most depressing statistic of all. (snip)

  261. Shadowfax
    Try explaining to a life long democrat that a vote from Philly counts more than a vote a vote from the suburbs in the PA primary. When I tried to explain that Hillary should have gotten more delegates from PA. I was dismissed and called bitter.

  262. wbb
    I spent some time with Riverdaughter in Denver at the Convention and I would be shocked if she voted for Obama. I could see her not voting at all, but I would have to hear it from her to believe she voted for him. Not distrusting you, just would not fit with the way she felt then.

  263. lorac
    August 31st, 2010 at 12:13 am

    wbboei: “I called them pumas and the microsoft lady was. But I now recall the rest of them were conflucians.”

    wbboei – IIRC, the conflucians very quickly threw OFF the PUMA label. I’ve heard them say they are NOT PUMAs. They seem to have decided that all PUMAs have become republicans. Or maybe PUMAs aren’t socialistic enough for them. Or maybe they just want to be their own club and not join up in a bigger movement….? I don’t know….
    ——————–

    There were a few of the PUMAs over at TC that broke away and started their own blog, then split again and another blog was started. Long story but it was based on the hope and or anger of what was going on with the Dem party under the Fraud and how some defended or attacked the Democratic party in general.

  264. Here’s a good example of what the rightwing isn’t saying. namely that Obama’s crappy strategy has been all along and will continue to be, to try and be Mr.Bipartisan. He’s a DINO, and he has STILL has fantasies of breeding all these so-called “obamacans”. he’s an idiot!

    This comes from one of his former biggest doormats:

    It’s been written before: The Obama team seems to think 2012 will take care of itself, as long as they burnish that shining Obama “brand,” which requires reaching out to Republicans and independents and ignoring the pesky left, with its old culture-war grudges and its subversive demand for greater economic fairness. I’ve heard some smart folks speculate that the White House may even welcome a Republican takeover, the better to “let Obama be Obama,” and continue to play out his fantasy of being a Democratic Ronald Reagan, creating a generation of what he used to call “Obamacans” and realigning politics for his lifetime.

    If anyone in the White House still believes that, they are delusional. If Republicans win back the House, they will tie up the president in subpoenas and bogus investigations faster than you can say Darrell Issa. The president hasn’t created “Obamacans”; instead he’s created a phenomenon best described as “Obamacan’t.” And still he cozies up to Republicans like Alan Simpson, who’s determined to slash Social Security and its “310,000,000 tits” (in how many ways was Simpson’s statement wrong? Probably close to 310 million). And the problem with Obama’s milquetoast approach to the economy isn’t just political: If Republicans get to reverse or obstruct the Democrats’ inadequate but promising steps forward on healthcare and financial reform, while slashing government spending and extending the disastrous Bush tax cuts, we may yet see an economic collapse to rival the Great Depression — the one that an earlier generation of brave and visionary Democrats vowed would never happen again.

    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/joan_walsh/index.html

  265. Mrs. Smith
    August 31st, 2010 at 1:26 am

    That wasn’t about Obama personally. That was about the color bearier. I think you miss the point.

  266. Talk all you want mj…. but there is no way around it-posters on the blog were just as mystified at RD’s sense of celebration especially when we were all called racists day in and day out.

  267. Mrs. Smith
    August 31st, 2010 at 1:39 am

    I’m not mystified. Lots of people expressed those sentiments, including McCain Republicans. That wasn’t an endorsement of Obama. It was about race in this country. She says right in the comments. “I loath Obama.”.

  268. Yea Henry, many people would not listen to me about how Hillary was cheated, no matter how much proof I sent them. They didn’t want to believe it.

  269. His professorial, detached and cool-to-cold nature, the racial prejudice against him

    ———————–

    Yeah, bigots think Blacks are detached and can’t dance.

  270. I used the obama umbrella picture scrub to prove the bias bambi gets by having the naysayers do a search themselves. Worked like a charm. One friend from high school, now an environmental attorney was beyond livid. Chinese internet censorship and Pravda were included in her diatribe.

  271. Riverdaughter seems to be having to defend herself in this post of all the bloggers that are upset by her post. Seems she was thrilled because a ‘black person’ overcame the race vote, not that it was Barry.

    Personally, I don’t understand the thrill, but I’m not RD.
    Here is a comment she had later in the post:

    riverdaughter, on November 5, 2008 at 8:11 am Said:

    chatblu: I think you are misunderstanding what I am trying to say. I don’t approve of anything Obama did this primary season. He shouldn’t be president. But this moment *is* important. Do not let your anger towards the man diminish this momentous occasion.

  272. mj – of course, I agree that Hillary isn’t a neocon. I just meant that some people are pretty far left on all areas (domestic, foreign policy, etc – as I’d say the Confluence is). I was trying to say that she’s not far left on everything like they are. But I think that all of her perspectives are on the left half of the spectrum, yes.

    Oh, gosh, I’d be disappointed if she wanted welfare to be indefinite for people, letting our society go back to generation after generation of people on it. I think that’s the worst thing you can do to someone, keeping them dependent on the system…. to me, that’s not helping, that’s keeping them down…. it’s like writing off their entire family tree from ever being able to rise above, to succeed, to get ahead… But.. I don’t expect her to be my clone lol

  273. That you Mrs. Smith. It would appear that my recollection was correct after all. Riverdaughter did defect to Obama. That is what I sensed in that group of conflucions. Her hatred of Republicans exceeded her common sense. She left her people in the lurch. Here is a sample of their reaction. This tells you who we can rely on.
    ———————————————-
    This is a joke?
    Florida Surfer, on November 5, 2008 at 7:31 am Said:
    Your forgot the tag

    catarina, on November 5, 2008 at 7:48 am Said:
    I feel not a shred of joy this morning. None.
    and Obama won because race most definitely IS a factor.
    I will not celebrate.

    bluemorning, on November 5, 2008 at 7:50 am Said:
    Maybe if he hadn’t stepped on my back (women) to get there- it would be
    a cause for celebration. Sorry, I just don’t care about -the end does not justify the means.

    terrirobin, on November 5, 2008 at 7:50 am Said:
    Right. Just like O.J. being acquitted of double murder was because of “the credibility card” as the degenerate Johnnie Cochran stated and not the race card. There is no blood on my hands, nor any other PUMA’s that I know. For those that have failed to do their homework and have followed blindly…they will not be able to say the same. It won’t be long before a few of the MSM turns on Barky. One final thought. Michelle will actually be the First Lady. I am now slitting my wrist.

    Northwest rain, on November 5, 2008 at 7:33 am Said:
    NO it is one step BACKWARDS.
    I do not accept hopey changey BS.

    PUMA John, on November 5, 2008 at 7:35 am Said:
    “This country was built by the hands of slaves, wrenched from their homes, stacked into ships, auctioned at markets, separated from their children, subject to beatings, rape, shackles and decades of apartheid…”

    But when you start writing like that, you’re forgetting that Obama used the backs of the decendants of these same people to get where he is. He is not slave blood, and in fact his ancestors owned slaves. It disturbs me to read ANYbody writing like you just did, because it reeks of the narrative that Obama was trying to forge (literally -forge-, as in “forgery”) for himself when he put his ass on the block for sale to the Black Americans (like Sugar, among others) who would swallow his lies about Selma.

    While I agree that hey, it’s historic to have a mixed-heritage browner-than-most President, he is half-African and half-white, with a history that shows he -tried- to “feel” what other Black Americans felt but could not because he was raised in privilege in Hawaii. Heck, as a darker-than-most hispanic asian mix, growing up in a white little enclave in Massachusetts I can tell you that *I* felt much more racism than Barry had growing up.

    edgeoforever, on November 5, 2008 at 7:36 am Said:
    Color me cynical, but considering who were the forces behind this skin deep “accomplishment” I can’t see myself celebrating.
    I don’t see it as a right won as a crumb thrown to the masses as appeasement by the dark forces – a cynical ploy rather than a step to progress.

    PUMA John, on November 5, 2008 at 7:37 am Said:
    …So here’s my celebratory “Yaaaaaaaay…” *unethusiastically waving one finger in the air for Obama*
    …*won’t tell you which finger, though* ;D

  274. I and others from Taylor Marsh formed Bitterpoliticz. Iirc people from the official Hillary site formed Pumapac. Don’t recall any negative splits. Lots of people were forming their own sites faster than anyone could keep up with. Lots of people joined more than one.

    (I never managed to re-join after Bitter went password.)

  275. mj
    August 31st, 2010 at 1:46 am
    Mrs. Smith
    August 31st, 2010 at 1:39 am
    ______________________

    mj- denial is not a river and too much of it sees you drifting in and out of reality. You need to own the Truth and the reason for posting it is for your “edumacation”.

  276. Shadowfax – perhaps she really misjudged the timing on when to ask her readers to celebrate an “achievement of cheating”. Maybe she should have let people heal a bit.

    As for me, I really can’t even celebrate it now. It’s a hollow victory, just something to put in a book: “A black man won the presidency”. Nothing more than a footnote, when it represents extensive cheating, race baiting, misogyny, theft of delegates, and lies, lies, lies, all to push an empty suit (about whom we know prescious little, who had a history of cheating, and whose path to the presidency was basically being “awarded” jobs, doing nothing in them except what he claimed was his but was really others’ work) over a “historic” line…. Really, I don’t even see it as a “win”.

    I guess for me, it would be as if some unknown woman was catapulted to the presidency, she totally sucked as president, and what little we knew of her past was unsavory. I really can’t imagine feeling pride. I don’t believe I would have been one who would have voted for her, either. Again, it would just seem like something “on paper”.

    ah, sorry for the rambling!

  277. turndown – I was on bitter after T(traitor)M. I donated $50 to one woman to go to Washington, and I had “known” her from TM and bitter. Like 6 months later, (she was getting pretty republican by then) she didn’t like some comment I posted, and she called me a “bot”. I was incredulous. I said, “you’ve “known” me all this time, I gave you $50 of my hard earned money, and now all of a sudden I’m a bot?” And she had this whole spiel about how bots do that, they’re long-term undercover or something, and they specifically give you money to throw you off! And then the list jumped on me for mentioning the money, nothing about her accusing me of being a bot! It was ridiculous. I left then, never been back lol

  278. Offhand, I can think of issues where Hillary is to the Left of Obama, and none vv (except maybe New Black Panthers).

    Health: Hillary wanted public option, other options.

    Mortgages: Hillary wanted a freeeze back c. 2007/2008 and in fall 2008 wrote for WSJ “Let’s keep people in their homes, wanted a new HOLC; Obama talked about ‘sanctity of contract.’

    War: In the debates, Obama waffled; Hillary said bring our troops home asap, don’t worry about the rest of the world. In his famous 2002 speech he kept saying he was ‘not against war, just dumb wars.’ In summer 2007 Obama was so hawkish (‘bring them to the right battlefield in Pakistan and Afganistan’) that Hillary and Bush had to calm things down.

    Immigration: Hillary was for securing the borders iirc, then amnesty with conditions (learn English, pay taxes). Dunno what Obama has been saying.

  279. lorac
    As for me, I really can’t even celebrate it now. It’s a hollow victory,

    ——————

    Yes, a tragedy that it preempted a real Black man really winning and doing a real job.

    One thing, if Palin wins, it will be unquestionably her own fight alone from the start!

    (I agree Hillary’s may have been harder, but….)

  280. Truth be told, I yearn for good critiques of Obama from the left. So in that respect, I welcome any such articles (who knows, perhaps it is simply a matter of being a Dem/Former Dem/whatever, and thus old habits die hard…)

    In terms of what sort of content is being posted here though — I think that maybe people should just post whatever they want, and leave it up to the READER to decide if they give two whits about it. Let people make their arguments, and let those arguments stand on their own merit.

    However, to call for a policy of “less left wing” or “less right wing” posting though is, in my opinion, a bit fascistic. We are all adults here I think and can decide for ourselves if what we are reading is worthwhile. There is then, simply no need for any sort of nannying or censoring of either “left” or “right” articles.

    I will freely admit that sometimes I will watch Fox News because guess what….they REALLY get into bashing Obama there on FOX sometimes! I watch because, to be honest, it’s kinda cathartic to listen to. (and yet, even then I can only stomach about 10 minutes a day lol and I STILL can’t stand that little squirrel Hannity).

    But does the fact that I watch Fox every so often make me a Republican? Hardly. Instead, it’s mostly just a guilty pleasure, and I would suspect that is probably the case for many Hillary supporters who might watch Fox.

    Then there is also the reality that sometimes, conservatives do have some interesting ideas. Sure, they still get all into the “oogedy boogedy” that Republicans are so well known for, but I can no longer in good conscience summarily dismiss one entire form of thought simply because it is “different.” My own thirst for knowledge, my own personal commitment to hear ALL sides of the story, and quite frankly the innate human trait of curiosity itself… DEMANDS that I at least maintain some sort of open mind.

    Consider for instance the following article. (I suspect Admin was probably already aware of it, since His44 blog predates this article, and perhaps maybe even Mrs. Smith, wbboei, and others also, since they were here blogging for Hillary before this article too). Anyway, it was written by Bruce Bartlett back in May of 2007, and it was called “Conservatives for Hillary.”

    http://townhall.com/columnists/BruceBartlett/2007/05/01/conservatives_for_hillary/page/2

    Conservatives for Hillary?

    As each day passes, it becomes increasingly clear that the Democrats will win the White House next year. It’s not quite 1932, but it’s getting close to a sure thing. All the energy is on their side, they are raising more money from more contributors, and there is little if any enthusiasm for any of the Republican candidates—even among Republicans. [snip]

    If I am right, conservatives are going to have to make an important decision at some point. Do they go down with the sinking Republican ship or do they try and have some meaningful influence on the next president by becoming involved in the Democratic race?

    I’m sure that the first reaction of most conservatives will be to say that any involvement in the Democratic Party is unthinkable. Many view it as the party of treason and socialism. They could no more involve themselves in Democratic politics than a God-fearing Christian would consider working with Satan just because it looked like he was going to win.

    For those of you who feel this way, stop reading. There is nothing more in this column for you. But for those conservatives who don’t see the 2008 election as a race between good and evil, but merely a contest between rivals within the same league, I think there is a good case for participating in the Democratic nominating process.

    Here’s why. Although all the Democratic candidates are more liberal than all of the Republicans, they are not all equally liberal. Among the Democrats, some are more to the right and others more to the left. It is a grave mistake to assume, as most conservatives do, that they are all equally bad and that it makes no difference whatsoever which one is elected.

    To right-wingers willing to look beneath what probably sounds to them like the same identical views of the Democratic candidates, it is pretty clear that Hillary Clinton is the most conservative. John Edwards is the most liberal and Barack Obama is somewhere in between.

    The hard-core right-wingers who kept reading past the point I told them to stop probably all think I’ve lost my mind by now. But remember, I am talking about the politics within the Democratic Party, not the nation as a whole. Moreover, at this stage of the nominating process, all of the candidates in both parties are appealing mainly to their bases. These are well to the left of the country among Democrats and well to the right among Republicans. [snip]

    On economics, it is reasonable to assume that Sen. Clinton’s policies would not be altogether different from Bill Clinton’s. This is not a bad thing. On trade, his record was outstanding and on the budget was far better than George W. Bush’s. While Clinton raised taxes in 1993, it should be remembered that he cut them in 1997, including a cut in the capital gains tax. On regulatory policy, Clinton was no worse than the current administration and probably better on net.

    Democrats know all this, which is why our most liberal pundits, like Bob Kuttner, are attacking Sen. Clinton for being a clone of her husband on economics and attacking her support for “Rubinomics,” named after former Treasury Secretary Bob Rubin. Its essential elements are a commitment to deficit reduction and globalization—which are both anathema to the Democratic Party’s liberal base. [snip]

    At some point, politically sophisticated conservatives will have to recognize that no Republican can win in 2008 and that their only choice is to support the most conservative Democrat for the nomination. Call me crazy, but I think that person is Hillary Clinton.

    Now, while I may think that Bartlett is overgeneralizing in saying that Hillary is the most “conservative” of Democrats, just as I think some people overgeneralize when they say Hillary is more “liberal” than Obama — it’s neither, btw, Hillary is more liberal than Obama when it comes to making sure the government helps people have their basic needs (such as the economy and health care), but she is also more conservative when it comes to national security and foreign policy — my point here is that if I had instituted a policy in my own life of summarily condemning conservative thought simply because it is conservative, I never would have learned of this article by a conservative, calling for conservatives to support Hillary Clinton. Such a prejudice would have precluded the discovery of such radical thought, that they support Hillary Clinton, from conservatives!

    It’s when I come across articles like this one that I think, “hey maybe, I can sift through a million “right wing” articles”, dismissing the ones that are bunk, because I know that there is that one diamond in the rough that does make it all worth it…

    This is why I think it is so important that we at least keep an open mind to all ideas. If the ideas are bunk, then they should be properly immolated. But as a people who should aspire to be progressive in terms of ideas they are at least willing to hear out, we must at least let them be heard. Pretend progressives may not be ok with that, but true progressives require it…

    That said, I look forward to any critiques of Obama from the left. How refreshing it would be in fact…

  281. According to Glenn Beck there IS going to be a collapse and he said he was told to “get us ready for it”. This was when I used to watch his show daily before he stuck to Debra Medina. When he did that I knew he wears the same suit as Obama, just a different side of the same coin. We are all up shitcreek without a paddle.

  282. confloyd: “According to Glenn Beck there IS going to be a collapse…”

    … and the Europeans are certain of it. But they are ready:

    For those of us (turndownobama? et al.) who are interested in the green economy as a way to generate jobs and get us out of our current mess, let it be known that 2 sites in Oklahoma and Canada have ordered wind turbines to be set up in the wind belt running through the midwest.

    The OK site is for 98 turbines totaling 227 MW, the Canadian site for 600 MW, and the two contracts will bring the supplier almost $1.1 billion, generating 300 jobs in Canada.

    The supplier is, wouldn’t you know, Siemens. Siemens expects to land €25 billion (almost $35 billion) in “green economy” contracts this year, exceeding even their objectives for 2011.

    If o had thought to spend his ‘stimulus’ wisely on smart investments instead of patching up old roads, we would have a viable wind turbine and solar generator industry by now and those contracts, and others, would have gone to American companies, the jobs would have gone to the American unemployed.

  283. Fifth Dimension: Your call for open-mindedness and open debate is well received in this corner.

    Personally, I’ve been subjected to withering attacks because of my pro-Palestinian stand, which starkly contrasts with the near-universal pro-Israeli stance taken here. But my remarks are published anyway, I support them in the face of opposition, and I think the result is a more balanced vision of what’s at stake for Israelis and Palestinians alike. Anyway, I don’t let the opposition get me down. This is because my own views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are pretty much those of Hillary Clinton, who enjoys a certain status here.

    On the domestic front, same thing. I don’t think any of us here would assume the label “conservative”; yet we often listen seriously to the remarks of Charles Krauthammer, who is definitely a conservative.

    And then there is the debate about what makes a conservative, what makes a liberal, a progressive, what is left, what is right, etc. These are just labels. Let’s get beyond them.

  284. Speaking of my previous post just above, there’s this, centered on Hillary…

    Mideast Talks To Test Clinton’s Negotiating Skills
    by Michele Kelemen August 31, 2010

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s diplomatic skills will be put to the test Thursday when she hosts Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas at the State Department. The U.S. is hoping to kick-start stalled Middle East peace talks.

    Hillary Clinton has been consulting her predecessors and past U.S. Middle East negotiators as she prepares to host Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas on Thursday.

    By formally launching the talks at the State Department, Clinton is signaling that she wants the two sides to get back to business on the core issues dividing them, and that she will personally play an active role, said one of her closest aides, who asked not to be named.

    Aaron David Miller, a public policy scholar at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars says, “You have to be tough, if not devious.”

    Getting Into The Mix

    He says Clinton is “plenty tough,” but he doesn’t know whether she has “the negotiators’ mindset” as former Secretaries of State Henry Kissinger and James Baker did.

    “You don’t learn that, you don’t go to school to be a secretary of state negotiator,” said Miller, who has advised six secretaries of state on the Middle East peace process. “It’s intuitive.”

    Miller says that while George Mitchell, the U.S. Middle East special envoy, will have a role to play going forward, Clinton has to “own” this issue.

    “If she were looking for a way to get into the Secretary of State Hall of Fame, this would be the issue, because it plays to her strength and it’s an issue that the president cares a great deal about,” he said. “But, in the end, for her that means one thing more than anything — getting into the middle of the mix.”

    Tough Road Ahead

    One of Clinton’s aides, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, says she has been playing an active behind-the-scenes role in persuading Netanyahu and Abbas to get back to direct negotiations, and she has gained some useful, hands-on experience in her nearly two years as secretary of state. When she persuaded rivals Turkey and Armenia to sign protocols to normalize relations last year, “the thing she did effectively was start by listening,” her aide said, adding that Clinton’s legal training was also useful.

    She also knows “the whole cast of characters” in the Middle East through her years as first lady, senator and now secretary of state. Clinton has no illusions about the difficulties ahead, as she pointed out when she announced the talks.

    “Without a doubt, we will hit more obstacles. The enemies of peace will keep trying to defeat us and to derail these talks,” Clinton said. “But I ask the parties to persevere.”

    There are no trips on the schedule yet, but Clinton is likely to spend more time in the region, in part to persuade the Palestinian and Israeli publics that they should support the talks. Her aide says this is not the start of shuttle diplomacy. Rather, the plan is to get Netanyahu and Abbas into a “regular rhythm” of meetings.

    ‘Capital In Her Pocket’

    It is wise to intervene only when needed, says Robert Danin, who ran the Jerusalem office of the Middle East Quartet, a diplomatic group that includes the U.S., U.N., Russia and European Union. He has seen many secretaries of state in the past and says that after a while, the Israelis and Palestinians stop paying attention.

    “The fact that Secretary Clinton has held back actually means that she has some capital in her pocket that she can now deploy,” he says. “It’s important that you go out to the region, but it’s also important not to go too much.”

    Danin, the Eni Enrico Mattei Senior Fellow for Middle East and Africa Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations, says Clinton is known to be creative in problem-solving, a skill in high demand right now as Israel’s partial moratorium on settlement construction is set to expire in late September.

    “Prime Minister Netanyahu is adamant that he will not renew the moratorium. President Abbas is adamant that renewed settlement activity will scuttle the talks,” Danin said. “And so that is a big problem.”

    Danin adds that it will require deft diplomacy.

    It has taken the administration so long to persuade the parties to sit down together and speak about the core issues that U.S. officials hope the talks can survive this first of many expected hurdles.

  285. This soul-searching about Hillary being to the right or left of o is futile. By selling out to the highest bidder, o is a corporate Dem of the same sort as the Corporate Republicans, who are conventionally seen as the farthest you can go to the right.

    Hillary is her own woman, which means she has strongly held positions on anything you can imagine. She starts every discussion with a firm commitment to fiscal responsibility, for example, which would put her on the right in the conventional left-right wisdom; but she does not stand for small, do-nothing government. She believes that government should work for the people, which means hiring competent people and spending taxpayer money smartly – “smart power” (her expression).

    What government is supposed to do, and the way taxpayer money should be spent, would put Hillary in the progressive camp. She has assumed the label “modern progressive” herself, in her own words (she was asked this question in 2007 by a reporter who wanted to know if she was a “liberal” or “conservative”, since the polls were all over the map).

    If Hillary is POTUS in 2013, she will probably face a Republican Congress. This means her options will be pretty much the same as Bill’s post-1994: we will have a progressive President who has to work with Republicans, and “triangulate” for the good of the country. This won’t stop her from being the second FDR we all want. Remember, Social Security passed Congress with broad bipartisan support. FDR was the avowed enemy of the privileged classes and was hated by many but adored by many more.

  286. Interesting video commentary on Beck’s rally with partial transcript provided by me:

    Larry Mendte: Glenn Beck Scares Me A Little Bit — WPIX

    …but The crowd was respectful peaceful and concerned. They were what America is all about.
    I [Mendte] was stunned by media report. AP: predominantly white crowd [alleging they were fueled by racism]. “BO himself rejects the allegation.”
    Those who use racism as a shield for him [BO] do him a disservice.
    Beck apologized for calling BO a racist. Where is the apology from the media who called those who gathered racist? They scare me even more [than Beck does].
    h t t p://www.wpix.com/videobeta/513e0a83-b40d-48d5-be59-b346c731dc4c/News/Larry-Mendte-Glenn-Beck-Scares-Me-A-Little-Bit
    where is the nations where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character?

  287. However, to call for a policy of “less left wing” or “less right wing” posting

    =================

    Has anyone called for that? I have been calling for increased, ie additional, left and central posts.

  288. Siemens expects to land €25 billion (almost $35 billion) in “green economy” contracts this year, exceeding even their objectives for 2011.

    If o had thought to spend his ’stimulus’ wisely on smart investments instead of patching up old roads, we would have a viable wind turbine and solar generator industry by now and those contracts, and others, would have gone to American companies, the jobs would have gone to the American unemployed.

    ======================

    So who is paying for them?

    Even old roads would have been better than Wall Street bonuses.

  289. btw, Hillary is more liberal than Obama when it comes to making sure the government helps people have their basic needs (such as the economy and health care), but she is also more conservative when it comes to national security and foreign policy

    [[ Good level of analysis. ]]

    If the ideas are bunk, then they should be properly immolated.

    [[ Right! ]]

  290. And then there is the debate about what makes a conservative, what makes a liberal, a progressive, what is left, what is right, etc. These are just labels. Let’s get beyond them.

    =======================

    I think they’re worth discussing — to educate the public who seem to think Obama is liberal and Hillary is not.

  291. Hillary is her own woman, which means she has strongly held positions on anything you can imagine.

    [[ First catch your non-choir who will listen to such itemization. ]]

    She starts every discussion with a firm commitment to fiscal responsibility, for example, which would put her on the right in the conventional left-right

    [[ Again words vs action? For a long time now, it’s been Republican administrations who run up the deficit — vs Bill Clinton who balanced the budget. ]]

  292. turndownobama: “So who is paying for them?” (the wind turbine contracts)

    Actually, I don’t know. It must be local power companies. Somebody who can cough up $1 billion in today’s economy… ?

    “Even old roads would have been better than Wall Street bonuses.”

    The Wall Street bonuses came from TARP, not the stimulus. My beef with TARP was that the bailout money should have been paid out with lots of strings attached, like it should have been loans and not a handout, or the money had to be earmarked for investment in the green economy or some other homegrown investment.

  293. “For a long time now, it’s been Republican administrations who run up the deficit — vs Bill Clinton who balanced the budget.”

    Right, of course; but I did say ‘by the conventional left-right wisdom’, that is, Americans still associate fiscal “conservatism” with the right even though it was Clinton who brought down the debt. All of Dubya’s excess spending was overlooked. People look at o’s wild spending and say “typical tax-and-spend liberalism.” It’s a matter of conventional wisdom vs. actually looking at the facts and doing a little thinking on your own.

  294. turndownobama
    (…there is the debate about what makes a conservative, what makes a liberal, a progressive, what is left, what is right, etc. These are just labels. Let’s get beyond them.)

    “I think they’re worth discussing — to educate the public who seem to think Obama is liberal and Hillary is not.”

    But your previous statement shows just why these labels confuse the issue, whether it’s here or with the “general public”, when you say:

    “Hillary is more liberal than Obama when it comes to making sure the government helps people have their basic needs (such as the economy and health care), but she is also more conservative when it comes to national security and foreign policy”

    Here, “more liberal than Obama” makes no sense. Everybody is more liberal than o on these issues, even the Republicans!

    Then, being tough in national security and foreign policy might make Hillary look hawkish, but not conservative, and she is certainly not as hawkish as the neocons! To understand what I mean about her not being conservative on these issues, you really have to follow what she’s been doing at State, how she has dovetailed with Gates, how she is handling the upcoming Israel-Palestinian discussions, and so forth. She’s a tough cookie in charge of defending US interests around the globe, but she’s far from “conservative” in the policies she has implemented.

    You know, when she was young, she had conversations with Bill who encouraged her to go into politics herself. She nixed the idea, saying no one would ever vote for her because she was too “hard-headed”. That evaluation of herself still holds true today. The most important thing to remember about Hillary is that she is hard-headed: her own woman. She decides for herself what is the right thing to do and just goes ahead and does it. That’s what sets her off from any other politician I know.

    Comparing her to o is pointless. o is nothing. She’s not right or left of him, more liberal or more conservative than him. The difference between them is existential: She exists and he doesn’t.

  295. Rats, Bedbugs Infest Buildings Owned by Ground Zero Mosque Developer

    Imam Behind Park51 Ignores Low-Income Tenants Pleas, They Say

    The Muslim imam who plans to build a controversial Islamic center near Ground Zero should first take on a smaller project, like ridding his New Jersey apartment buildings of rats and bedbugs, angry tenants told ABCNews.com.

    Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf owns buildings across the Hudson River in several New Jersey cities, including Union City, North Bergen and Palisades Park, which he reportedly renovated with tax dollars.

    Residents, many of whom are immigrants and most of whom are working-class Hispanic Catholics, say they have complained about unsanitary conditions for years. The imam, however, has done little to make repairs or exterminate vermin, they claim.

    “There are bed bugs and a lot of rats,” said Jane Thane, 17, who has lived at 2206 Central Ave., Union City for three years, after her former home, also owned by Rauf, burned down. “Last week we catched six rats in the apartment.”

    Thane said five other family members share the three bedroom apartment and many of their neighbors have been forced to throw away mattresses and linens because of bed bug infestations.

    Thane said her parents have complained to the building’s superintendent and Rauf’s wife Daisy Khan, but nothing has ever been done.

    …..

    New Jersey newspaper The Record first reported the conditions at Rauf’s apartment buildings after pouring through “page after page of municipal health [that] show repeated complaints ranging from failure to pick up garbage, to rat and bedbug infestations and no heat and hot water.”

    The paper’s investigation shows that the controversial $100 million cultural center and mosque called Park51 and slated to be built just two blocks away from Ground Zero is not the first real estate project with which the imam has been involved, but it is far and away the largest.

    http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=11517264

    Well someone should make him go live in his rat infested shithole for a month and see how he likes it.

  296. From a memoir about real socialism, ie life on a US Army base overseas:

    And the army had its own degree of enlightened self-interest. You see, for military personnel and families, we had medical, dental and vision covered; we had housing, power, garbage and water either covered or subsidized, we had food and other necessities subsidized. So the PSAs [Public Service Announcements on the Army TV station] were aimed at keeping government expenses low: Exercise. Eat from the four food groups. Don’t overindulge in sweets or fatty foods. Go for regular checkups. Don’t smoke. Don’t do drugs. Don’t abuse alcohol. Don’t take super-long showers. Turn your heat down when you go to bed.
    [….]
    It was a fantastic example, honestly, of how the government can be convinced to care about the environment and the heath of its citizens if it’s forced to pay for it.

  297. My beef with TARP was that the bailout money should have been paid out with lots of strings attached, like it should have been loans and not a handout, or the money had to be earmarked for investment in the green economy or some other homegrown investment.

    =========================

    Instead, they DID let a good crisis go to waste. Or do you think Obama’s later bailouts made better use of it?

  298. “From a memoir about real socialism, ie life on a US Army base overseas”

    Good quote. Got a link to the whole memoir?

  299. When I look at erstwhile Hillary supporters like River daughter on the one hand and Taylor Marsh on the other they are alike in one sense, different in another. They are alike in the sense that when the chips were down both of them defected at the time of the vote, for reasons which may or may not have been economic. Unlike our admin, who saw Obama for what he is before anyone else did and who never once blinked up to and including now. Its a thin red line of heroes when the drums begin to roll, etc. They are different however in the sense that Riverdaughter now disapproves of Obama whereas Taylor Marsh is a mean spirited bot. She threw everybody off her site that refused to worship at the church of Obama, and would have become hysterical if she had received the kind of reader comments River daughter did. It is as if we were back in the Korean War, she was captured by the Chinese communists and brainwashed into turning against the cause, and justifying it by trying to tell us that this is what Hillary wanted. That comment alone was shallow, opportunistic and craven.

  300. “Instead, they DID let a good crisis go to waste. Or do you think Obama’s later bailouts made better use of it?”

    Nope, all wasted. But my criticism of the stimulus is different. I’ve said this a couple of times:

    1) The stimulus should have been larger
    2) Only a small amount (maybe 10%) should have been used for investment
    3) The investments should have been the smart kind with research on new products and investment in future industries, not repairing roads and bridges
    4) The bulk of the stimulus should have gone to sustaining/increasing consumption, chiefly by expanding and extending unemployment benefits, so businesses would not divest.

  301. Counting The Deaths On Commander-in-Chief Obama’s Impotent Hands

    Posted by Dave Poff (haystack) (Profile)
    Monday, August 30th at 9:49PM EDT

    I have been watching iCasualties.Org daily for the past 5 weeks. This is not a morbid curiosity; I have done this because I noticed back then that June 2010 was the worst month for US casualties of any so far in the Afghanistan war…ANY point during the 9 years we’ve been fighting it.

    I noticed, upon further investigation, that the numbers were on pace to be even worse in July (which they ultimately were) and that there was not one [expletive deleted in deference to the posting guidelines] mention of this anywhere in the major media outlets. I was angry, however unsurprised I might have been, but I determined that I would quietly watch…and “listen”… to the news to see if anyone else was paying attention over these past 5 short weeks. They were not.

    Over 50 Soldiers have died since I started paying attention, and the only news story I’ve seen tells of the 7 Soldiers that died last weekend. A death here or 2 or 3 there don’t, apparently, qualify as news. Meanwhile, our metrosexual President (unable to talk to the American people or the families of our fallen heroes because he’s been just too busy riding his girl’s mountain bike adorned in that goofy looking helmet which keeps him safe on his harrowing ride along the treacherous streets of Martha’s Vineyard), seems completely indifferent to these numbers.

    I wouldn’t want to talk to these families either, if I were him.

    In 86 months the total number of casualties in Afghanistan was 630 under the Bush command. Under Obama’s weak, waffling, hand-wringing and navel-gazing command, in just 19 months, the US casualty count as of August 30, 2010 now surpasses Bush’s numbers, sitting now at a total of 632…and counting. How can this be?

    We’ve had 4,763 strategy reviews. We’ve made kissy-face with our enemies. We’ve announced to them that we have a date-certain withdrawal plan if only they could just quiet themselves and wait us out. We’ve changed leadership on the ground, modified the ROE, incorporated the Rahm Emanuel-style approach to winning friends and influencing people there, and we’ve even begun indirect negotiations with our enemy to help facilitate their return to power once we tuck tail and run.

    While our former President vacationed on his ranch, running chainsaws and wearing his man pants, he took time to visit Soldiers and the loved ones of the fallen wherever time allowed. He does so still. THIS President, beclowning himself at the Vineyard on our dime playing golf, either misunderstands his role as Commander-in-Chief during hostilities or he doesn’t care. George Bush, while winning (or trying to win) wars endured daily headlines about body counts. He endured countless calls for his resignation or, failing that, his impeachment. George Bush was a lot of things to a lot of people but he always cared about the Soldiers and their families…and he SHOWED it to them on a regular basis. He cared then, and he cares to this very day. Obama clearly does not.

    The question now, with Obama’s complete lack of care or concern about the Soldiers or their families or their sacrifices, is when the calls will come from the left for his own resignation or his own impeachment. I’m fairly certain, like the chirping crickets in the headlines across America, I know the answer already.

  302. I think there is plenty of room to criticize Bush on his handling of the military, i.e. failing to equip them properly for their combat role, letting the military hospitals deteriorate like he did, and getting us in in the first place. But at least where the military families were concerned he made some effort to show he cared whereas Obama could care less. I was glad when Jim Webb refused to acknowledge Bush for those failures, and I do wonder how he feels about Obama. I can guarantee you that there are moments when he says to himself how did I ever get myself into this mess?

  303. While the playboy POTUS and his mate FLOTUS spend our
    tSecretary of State Hillary Clinton: Tuesday Public Appointments
    August 31, 2010
    tags: Hillary Clinton, Israel, Diplomacy, State Department, Secretary of State, Daily Scheduleby stacyx
    .The preparations for direct negotiations begin:

    SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

    12:30 p.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

    2:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Jordanian Foreign Minister Nasser Judeh, at the Department of State.

    3:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit, at the Department of State.

    4:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton meets with President Jimmy Carter and Dr. John Hardman, CEO of the Carter Center, at the Department of State.

    6:15 p.m. Secretary Clinton meets with Quartet Representative Tony Blair, at the Department of State.

    7:45 p.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    I’m a bit confused. I thought Abbas and Netanyahu came in Wednesday and that they wouldn’t be at the State Dept. until Thursday. Oh well.

    .ax dollars Our girl keeps the world running.

  304. Sorry about the spacing errors.Maybe I am getting too old for this blogging with one finger.Birthday tomorrow. 92 is the new number

  305. Iirc, it was RiverDaughter who outed Hillary on YouTube which brought an intensive and neverending onslaught of abuse to her and her supporters. This catapulted the calls for her to GET OUT and TO GET PIT NOW, even from the likes of Charlie Wrangel. It is my humble opinion that this viral video prompted the demise of her win for the nomination.
    This has never really been discussed because, or at least IMO, RiverDaughter was seen as such an avid supporter for our Hillary. It was then that I quit following RiverDaughter, so I just now learned that she went The Won apeshit. What a surprise!

  306. Shorttermer, i still believe there are various people on blogs out there that were covertly working for Obama’s lot and still are.

    There was a lot of infiltration of Hillary blogs and there still is.

  307. Now what is going on with rasmussen up to with his reports.

    I mean yesterday, he had WV as leans Democratic with the race at 48% to 42% for Manchin but yet today with leaners for Ohio he has it at 47 to 41 for the republican Portman and then puts it in the toss up column.

  308. “I knew this is what they were going to hang on her….she has to own it…my God…this is not the average negotiation. I knew they were going to screw her, it was just a matter of time.”

    ________________

    confloyd,

    Abbas has already given up on the talks before they have started, by making threats and demands that are ridiculous. He is insisting that Bibi continue the moratorium on construction. He wants East Jerusalem and Israel will never give up Jerusalem.

    Abbas wants everything but will give up nothing.

    Even so, I firmly believe that Hillary will negotiate with fairness and balance. If anyone is going to screw this up it will be obama’s fixation with anything Muslim/Arab and Abbas’s stupidity.

  309. JanH-as we know, there is never going to be negotiating with a people who seek your extermination. We(Israelis/Jews) are a peace loving people, whereas the Muslim world is based on death to the infidels, particularly the Jews and Christians.

  310. When someone tells me Obama had to do the things he has done to save the economy from depression including taking over large segments of the economy, etc. I remind them of three things:

    1. First, Emanuel’s statement never let a crisis go to waste–which proves they were looking for an excuse to do exactly what they did, and it was part of a pre conceived agenda.

    2. Second, the statement by the Dean of the house that fossilized remains John Dingell that the Obamaobts are putting in place the regulations needed to get the American People under control within 20 years–which will subvert the Constitution.

    3. Third, the refusal to insist upon the financial reforms which would prevent another stock market crash, or to push for a health care reform bill that would end the abuses instead of creating new ones.

    Inverted totalitarianism. Most people do not understand the magnitude of what they are dealing with here.

  311. JanH,
    I know but they give her the unfixable and then say if she wants to be in the hall of fame, she has to get this done….that is just unreal! That is why I commented on that link.

    I have just a little different take on the Israel/Palestinian peace, being a Christain who has studied Revelation, there will be no lasting peace until Jesus comes back and I believe that with my whole heart. I also believe when there is a real peace deal signed sealed and delivered between Israel and the whole Arab Nations, it will be the beginning of Armagaddeon. Only the antichrist will be able to achieve this according the the Holy Bible. I don’t think Hillary or Obama is either one.
    I think this whole peace in the middle east is a waste of time.

  312. Shorttermer, Outed Hillary how??? I was going over there during the BP disaster, but they seem to be following Obama and giving him the benefit of the doubt again…I don’t go regularly!

  313. fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/the-democrats-new-normal/

    …even Silver sees what is coming…O is going to singlehandedly change Blue America back to Red America…maybe that’s what he meant when he said we are one america…

    …my two cents…

    Obama knows what he is doing…he rolls with the corporations and now his karma is boomeranging back…forget all the excuses the left makes for him…he is governing the way he wants to govern…with the corporations running the show…

    ***********************

    also all the talk of left, right, liberal, etc simply does not mean the same thing it used to pre – O administration…from my POV, these are just labels used for agenda discussions…the ‘left/liberal/progressives’ many of us knew, loved and supported during the clinton and bush days are not the same as the O so called progressive supporters…politics with both parties have become run by the corporations and each side is seeking profit…yes, big profits…

    …what ‘we, the people’ care about is of less importance…our democratic leaders are not even embarrased to admit they do not read the laws and cost of the laws they are mandating upon us…they sqaunder the borrowed money and splash it around to special interests and over the world…as if, US citizens were working and feeling secure…our (democratic) politicians get richer and more powerful and the rest of try to hold on to our homes…they have no sense of the struggle really going on with the middle class…

    so many of these old labels hold no virtual truth for so many anymore…this is why there is such a trend towards independents…many people are seeing the lies on both sides and are just not buying any label or party lines anymore…PUMA, tea party…independents…these are all trends of individuals breaking with their party lines…

    democrats had the most amazing opportunity after O won to put their actions where their words were…and they failed…they failed the ‘left’ that supported them, they failed the independents that gave them a chance…they failed the moderates and Clinton dems that left a door open…the O dems lied, took care of themselves and their buddies and failed the rest of us…and put the middle class in danger of extinction…and with the prospect of endless paperwork and scrutiny of the IRS and who knows what other infringements and spying our former Dim party is allowing upon the rest of us…

    ****************************

    i saw this comment at another sight and thought it was worth bringing here – I will space it abit better for easier reading…

    klassicheart says:
    31 August 2010 at 12:42 am

    Pelosi backed Obama and screwed Hillary. The Dems deserve everything they get…they screwed over the working class Dems and the base of the party since FDR. The so called progressive and academic elites brought us Obama. But in the process, the Democratic elites changed the rules and usurped democratic principles to nominate Obama.

    They pushed their guy on a reliable base and dissed the Clinton Democrats in the process. They burned bridges. And however much I hate the Republicans, they at least have balls. Say what you will about Sarah Palin…but she didn’t take the crap the Republican elites threw at her…she took them on….

    Compare that with the wimp Obama…the self satisfied arrogant Obama who took big Democratic majorities and brought us what? Those that say Obama should step down are right. And so should all those in leadership who pushed him upon us. But half of the Democratic party are morons…because they bought the hope and change crap…they abandoned common sense and forgot eight years of what they Clintons brought to this country and the Democratic party.

    Bill Clinton saved the Democratic party from the Carter disaster. .Therefore, all those idiots who bought the Obama mantra are hard pressed to criticize the morons in the Tea Party and the Retpubs under the circumstances….Nevertheless, this will be a blood bath….It is true…We could have had 16 years…8 of Hillary and then 8 of Obama….

    People were conned…And the only thing Democrats should worry about is taking back their party with real Democrats…And those who pushed Obama on us should accept responsibility for what they brought upon the country…. The Democrats did not deliver…and people are very very angry that they were bamboozled. They are probably more angry now because they feel like dupes.

    The Democratic leadership did this to us…Leadership is everything. And no….Biden is not the one. Hillary was the one….And Democrats ditched her for that self satisfied inexperienced part time state senator, who spent most of his time in the Senate running for the Presidency.

    This is a debacle. Only his stepping down will work….and begging Hillary to run in 2012. But the Democratic leadership is either too stupid to do this, too weak…or too bought off. All those stupid marketing slogans….and nothing else.

    What a waste of epic proportions. The academic elites cannot be trusted. Common sense should be trusted. P.S. The Daily Howler has already demonstrated what our “liberal and progressive” press has contributed to this disaster. They should be all be exposed.

    **********************************************

  314. Hello ADMIN, it’s been a long time since I’ve commented on Big Pink, but I so LOVED your post today.

    I CANNOT STOMACHE BECK, with all his honorability “cough, cough”

    I cannot stand or can forget the TRAVESTY of BUSH and the devil himself Chaney (and that’s both BUSH’S—by the way)—-
    Fortunately, SARAH CUDDA I can relate to (THANK the lord for small blessings)

    I loved your thread today, and have always been here, lurking from the beginning.

    I am that HILLARY DEMOCRAT who can NEVER EVER FORGIVE or FORGET what we were put through and saw and witnessed during the 2008
    campaign. I know there are ALOT of us out there, who don’t speak to you directly, but we know about you (BIG PINK)—–and we stand with every ounce of outrage and determination to fix what this deplorable gov has done to this country the last decade.

    Will be lurking and keeping in touch

  315. jeswesey,
    You know, when she was young, she had conversations with Bill who encouraged her to go into politics herself. She nixed the idea, saying no one would ever vote for her because she was too “hard-headed”. That evaluation of herself still holds true today. The most important thing to remember about Hillary is that she is hard-headed: her own woman. She decides for herself what is the right thing to do and just goes ahead and does it. That’s what sets her off from any other politician I know.
    —————————————————–

    This tells me she’s no one’s puppet…which is exactly what we need and exactly why the monied folks don’t want her in power….she won’t be manipulated.

  316. confloyd and jeswesey

    She read and learns about something (become a semi expert, consults the experts, makes a decision and goes for that. The complete opposite of O.

    Music to my ears.

  317. Isolde, on August 31, 2010 at 12:00 pm Said:
    I remember reading a woman who worked on Wall St writing and talking about Obama hanging around all the time after he was elected to the Senate. He would go to their parties and social functions, and suck up to the bigwigs at their offices. She thought he was a schmoozer, hustler, and fake. He was there most weekends and not going home to Chicago. That stuff is not available any longer online because I have looked. So Krugman is suggesting that Obama convinced the Wall Streeters that he was one of them? That he infiltrated their club and conned them into thinking he was something that he isn’t? Then when he got what he wanted, their money, their time, and connections he dropped them. Is not this Obama’s entire history. He gets what he wants from people then just moves on climbing over their wrecked lives

  318. Krugman Reveals a Little Inside Info from the 2008 Primary Season
    Posted on August 31, 2010 by bostonboomer

    I just saw this post at Paul Krugman’s blog: “The Unbearable Pettiness Of Being Rich” The post is a response to a column by Andrew Ross Sorkin about how Wall Street bankers are “deserting” President Obama in droves. Sorkin writes (emphasis added):
    …what is surprising is that some of the president’s biggest supporters have so publicly derided his policies, even at the risk of hurting their ability to influence the party in the future. Issues like the carry-interest tax on private equity or the Volcker Rule have become personal.
    Why so personal? The prevailing view is that bankers, hedge fund mangers and traders supported the Obama candidacy because he appealed to their egos.
    Mr. Obama was viewed as a member of the elite, an Ivy League graduate (Columbia, class of ’83, the same as Mr. Loeb), president of The Harvard Law Review — he was supposed to be just like them. President Obama was the “intelligent” choice, the same way they felt about themselves. They say that they knew he would seek higher taxes and tighter regulation; that was O.K. What they say they did not realize was that they were going to be painted as villains.

    Andrew Ross Sorkin
    Good Lord! What do these bankers want anyway? The Obama administration has bailed their banks out with billions (trillions?) of taxpayer dollars and has kept any future regulation of the finance markets to a minimum. What Republican would have done more? And yet, they are turning on him because Congress insisted on at least trying to make it *look like* they cared just a tiny bit about the serfs?
    And these people supported Obama because of their egos?! Lots of us thought they had actually made a calculated decision to support Obama because they knew he would give them what they wanted. And now we learn it was all about Obama’s ivy league credentials and snob appeal?
    But wait…didn’t Hillary Clinton attend two ivy league schools too?
    Now check this out from Krugman (emphasis added):
    Andrew Ross Sorkin’s column today makes Wall Street honchos sound like spoiled kids; they went for Obama because he seemed like their kind of guy, then turned on him with a vengeance because they think he’s looking at them funny.
    Based on what I know, that’s about right.
    I talked to some financial-industry backers of Obama back during primary season; they really didn’t know or care much about policy issues, but were in love with Obama over his style — and also over the prospect of being in his inner circle, something they knew wouldn’t happen with Hillary. Now they’re mad because they don’t feel that they’re getting enough stroking.
    I wish Krugman had revealed this little tidbit during the primaries. Maybe he did write about it then–does anyone know? If I can find anything I’ll update this post.

  319. All you guys on the East Coast, I hope your getting ready for Hurricane Earl….he is going to be a bad one. Hope all my friends in the way of this thing stay safe and don’t lose power too long…I can’t live without Big Pink too long, LOL!

  320. Off subject but why does at least one dollar of my monthly cable bill go to cnn/hln/msnbc? I don’t want the frigging channels but yet I pay for them.
    I really don’t understand why? If someone can explain the rationale I would be very thankful. I also have to pay for lifetime and lifetime movie channel.
    Makes no sense to me.

  321. Andrew Ross Sorkin’s column today makes Wall Street honchos sound like spoiled kids; they went for Obama because he seemed like their kind of guy, then turned on him with a vengeance because they think he’s looking at them funny.
    Based on what I know, that’s about right.
    I talked to some financial-industry backers of Obama back during primary season; they really didn’t know or care much about policy issues, but were in love with Obama over his style — and also over the prospect of being in his inner circle, something they knew wouldn’t happen with Hillary. Now they’re mad because they don’t feel that they’re getting enough stroking.
    ______________

    Hi Wbboei:
    Talk about stroking. Paul Krugman was relatively independent until he lunched with Obama at the White House. That’s all it took for him to become an avid follower. I lost all respect for him since then. I didn’t realize that he could be bought – and for a lunch. He is so cheap.

  322. wbboei — in response to your comment about Krugman saying that the financial industry backers lined up behind Obama because they knew he would play ball, and that they could never be part of Hillary’s inner circle — at one of Hillary’s campaign stops back in 2008, Hillary talked about how so many corporations out there employ entire departments within their companies that are devoted to getting government handouts.

    She talked about it in the context of paying for health care, saying that if we could eliminate the handouts that these corporations receive from the government, handouts that they don’t need, we could actually pay for health care for everyone in this country. How it all began was that once upon a time, the US government would give new and fledgling corporations some monies to help their businesses. The unspoken rule though was that this was a temporary measure, and that once the corporations got going and were turning their own profit, they would no longer be eligible for monies.

    Instead, corporations acted on bad faith, and employed entire floors of people whose task was nothing more than to fill out the complicated paperwork so that these companies could get more and more money from the government.

    Hillary wanted to eliminated this loophole and redirect that money back to everyday people, to help pay for their health care. And, she also said that she would have made sure that these people who did this work for the companies, would find other jobs too — she said that “the paperwork is so complex, even I can’t figure it out (oh please, Ms. Smarty Pants Hillary, like there is anything you can’t figure out haha), and I would make sure that these talented people would find jobs where their talents would be better utilized).

    She named Exxon, by name, as one company who did this, and then pointed to the cameras in the room, saying “the Media” corporations were another entity who were still receiving handouts from the government. Now, I wonder….why in the hell would Exxon or Big Media need government handouts? Seems to me like they make plenty of money already, they don’t need anymore from the government! Give it to the people who really need it!!

    The bottom line is, people talk about how Republicans just want to give government money to their corporate interests, Obama wants to give government to his corporate interests, and while this is all true….when people say “Where is the person who will stand up to corporations and make the government an appartus to help everyday people”….I say, “that person is there, and that person is Hillary Clinton.” She talked about doing so, when nobody else wanted to. I think this may be another reason why the media and Wall Street worked so hard against her….because they knew that if she got elected, she wouldn’t engage in their pay-to-play schemes. She would eliminate corporate welfare, and this is why they couldn’t bear to see that she was the one people really wanted.

  323. jbstonesfan
    August 31st, 2010 at 1:39 pm
    4 Israelis killed by terrorists
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    http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=186608

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    I think Bibi should return home. Abbas does not speak for the terrorist groups among him. Any commitment made in his name is nothing but whitewash.

    Hamas and Hizbollah will never agree to peace.

    May the victims rest in peace.

  324. Agreed….this is no time for peace. They must prepoare for war on all fronts after Israel taked out the Iranian nuke facilities with or without Obama’s help. Obama has forced these talks and neither side can possibly succeed. It is a feeble attempt by Obama to claim he is engaged in the peace process and ,more likely than not, a chance to squeeze Israel into more concessions whilre allowing Iran to inch closer and closer to nuclear grade weapons.

  325. Hi Wbboei:
    Talk about stroking. Paul Krugman was relatively independent until he lunched with Obama at the White House. That’s all it took for him to become an avid follower. I lost all respect for him since then. I didn’t realize that he could be bought – and for a lunch. He is so cheap.
    ———————–
    Exactly.

  326. Uncle
    I cry Uncle
    No one seems to care that anywhere from 10 cents to 25 cents of your monthly cable bill goes to Cnn. Comcast must have 50 million subscribers and each is paying a quarter to sustain that sinking ship. You get it and you pay for it no matter if you want it or watch it.

  327. Obama to speak to nation tonight so reads the headline.

    This will be his attempt to claim credit for swapping troops for armed advisors in Iraq even though he opposed the surge, bragging about restart of Israel Palestinian peace talks which are likely to failand he has assigned the task to Hillary, and to make some bogus statement about jobs–probably green jobs the panacea for a nation that no longer manufactures things and must rely on a boom bust financial economy and how like Captain Nemo in Moby Dick he sees land where there is no land and everthing that is wrong is a priori Bush’s fault.

    This nobel prize winning goofball has only three problems:

    1. first, he is a serial liar–and we know it.

    2. second, you cannot believe anything he says–and we know it.

    3. third, he has no credibility–and the world knows it.

    Three ways of saying that this is one more waste of time. He does not govern. He schmoozes, gets support and then betrays those misguided supporters when a better deal comes along. It ain’t leadership.

  328. A toxicologist speaks on the effect of Corexit. I just read on No Quarter that a family north of Tampa, Florida got sick and when they tested the pool there were substantial amounts of corexit found in the pool. I am not giving a link to that story, but it included the following video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FxfYqnlQ50

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