The Obama/2×4 Schumer Mosque Of Doom Rising

Late this past Friday Barack Obama handed the keys to the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives to the Republicans. By Saturday, Barack Obama was trying to take the keys back.

Of the many explanations for Barack Obama’s odd behavior this weekend there is one not a single person has commented on. There were comparisons to the Beer Summit fiasco. But the most similar flim-flam has not been mentioned.



It was the Jeremiah Wright “race” speech all over again. In the Obama “race” speech Obama distracted from his 20 plus years of sniveling at the knees of Jeremiah Wright. Instead of addressing why he attended the “God Damn America” preacher’s sermons Obama instead emitted a “teachable moment” about race. Aided and abetted by the JournoLister Big Media wing of his campaign, Barack Obama got away with his wrong Wright distraction.

But on Friday, Barack Obama tried to distract from the central issue – the propriety of a towering Mosque at the 9/11 Ground Zero doom site – with a “race” speech style “teachable moment” on religious freedom and tolerance. This time the organized Big Media JournoListers could not muster sufficient shiny objects with which to aid and abet Barack Obama’s attempted distraction.

Not that they did not try. JournoLister Greg Sargent twisted himself from senseless to senseless with grotesque rationalizations. Fellow JournoLister Ben Smith noted that Greg Sargent had tried “valiantly to split the baby“.

Sargent on Saturday called “Obama’s forceful speech” on Friday, a speech “which will go down as one of the finest moments of his presidency”. The sad and laughable rationale for the JournoLister’s praise was because “Obama didn’t just stand up for the legal right of the group to build the Islamic center. He voiced powerful support for their moral right to do so as well, casting it as central to American identity.” A commenter almost immediately noted that “‘”one of the finest moments of Obama’s Presidency” needed to be “clarified” less that 12 hours later.’ Sargent embarrassed himself in an extraordinary way, but misery had company.

Obama said on Friday: “As a citizen, and as President, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country. And that includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in Lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances.” Such a clear and direct statement for the Mosque of Doom elicited this shriek of joy from JournoLister Sargent: “… this couldn’t have come at a better time for Obama. His core supporters, frustrated, were badly in need of a display of presidential spine. They got one.”

Such gallantry! Such spine!

At DireFog too, there was exultation before the “clarification”. Interrupting a Robert Gibbs ordered drug test, Glenn Greenwald embarrassed himself with this hosanna: “one of the most impressive and commendable things Obama has done since being inaugurated.” Having tested “positive” on the drug test, Greenwald later ate crow and humble pie:

“But clearly, the tone and the emphasis of his speech — and the absence of the fine distinctions he’s drawing today — made it obvious that it would be interpreted as siding with the mosque proponents and against those opposing the mosque, and that’s exactly how it was interpreted by virtually everyone.

But by insisting now that he was merely commenting on the technical “rights” of the project developers — as a way of responding to Republican criticism that he was advocating for the project itself — he has diminished his remarks from a courageous and inspiring act into a non sequitur, somewhat of an irrelevancy. After all, the “right” of the mosque isn’t really in question and didn’t need a defense. As Ben Smith correctly explains: Obama’s new remarks, literally speaking, re-open the question of which side he’s on. Most of the mosque’s foes recognize the legal right to build, and have asked the builders to reconsider. [snip]

The signal Obama sent with his rhetoric last night wasn’t that he had chosen to make a trivial, legal point about the First Amendment. He chose to make headlines in support of the mosque project, and he won’t be able to walk them back now with this sprinkling of doubt. [snip]

Even worse, the primary focus of my praise here — that Obama was taking a politically unpopular position — isn’t even true in light of this clarification. As Nate Silver documents, the same polls which show that large majorities oppose the mosque also show that majorities affirm the “right” for it to be built. That means Obama was merely echoing what polls show is the majority view, while explicitly distancing himself today from any view that is unpopular. So even that praise of him now seems inapplicable.”

From courage to cowardice in so short a time. The fact is that this was just another Obama attempt to bamboozle and distract. The JournoListers are in a shrinking CabaList and could not aid and abet in another successful Jeremiah Wright style distraction.

Democrat Ricki Lieberman, via email, spoke for many Democrats in opposition to the Mosque of Doom:

“My POV: building a 13+ story mosque/community center overlooking the graveyard that was the Twin Towers is not a matter of religious freedom or tolerance. It is a matter of appropriateness and sensitivity. [snip]

The unwillingness of the development group to make provisions to reveal the sources of funds, suggests they have something to hide. If they are so eager to emulate the 92nd St YMHA or the JCC of Manhattan, they should adopt the same transparent fundraising procedures that these and other groups use for capital campaigns.

New York is basically a Muslim-friendly town, with mosques everywhere. I reject those who have seized on this issue to question the right or ability of Muslims to grow in New York. Freedom of religion is alive and well in New York, and I also question those who insist that this is a core issue of religious freedom and would make those of us who disagree into bigots.

Indeed, the latest defense of the Mosque of Doom is that it is akin to the YMCA. However, this is a view fermented in ignorance. Every mosque is a “community center(“The mosque serves as a place where Muslims can come together for salat (prayer) (Arabic: صلاة‎, ṣalāt) as well as a center for information, education, and dispute settlement.) But a community center strictly for Muslims. As is well known to fans of the probably defunct disco group the “Village People” the YMCA welcomes Gay people. The YMCA welcomes Jews, Buddhists, Jains, Pagans, and Muslims. We somehow doubt that the swimming pool at the Mosque of Doom will have a welcoming swim for infidels. Muslims must be free to determine how their mosques conduct their business, but the “community center” defense is a shallow pool to swim in.

“Let’s not forget that a mosque is an exclusive place of worship for Muslims and not an inviting community centre. Most Americans are wary of mosques due to the hard core rhetoric that is used in pulpits. And rightly so. As Muslims we are dismayed that our co-religionists have such little consideration for their fellow citizens and wish to rub salt in their wounds and pretend they are applying a balm to sooth the pain.

As the JournoListers retreated to their bars and watering holes to concoct more YMCA style defenses, Obama Dimocrats ran out of the scalding pool of stench Obama drenched them in. Politico tracked the comedic results:

“With the exception of Rep. Jerrold Nadler, I haven’t gotten a single response from the N.Y. congressional delegation I reached out to about the president’s speech, but I have heard from multiple Democratic sources that some have privately expressed a sense of discomfort about the topic, and to some extent, the mosque project.[snip]

If so, it’s a bracing moment for New York, among the bluest states in the land and one that prides itself on thriving multiculturalism and attempts at tolerance, and a reminder of how complicated the emotions are for many people within some level of proximity of ground zero about everything related to it and the attacks.[snip]

Prior to Obama’s speech, some were getting questioned but few other than those in marginal districts faced tremendous pressure to provide an answer on the issue, since it’s realistically not something that they have any legal authority over in their current jobs.

Sen. Chuck Schumer’s office didn’t respond to e-mails. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand’s aides didn’t give a statement, although she did apparently tell a reporter at a public event that she found the speech “thoughtful.”

ADDED: I e-mailed a spokesman for Andrew Cuomo, who has been unequivocal in supporting the mosque under religious freedom, about the president’s remarks, but didn’t get a response. I didn’t get one from a N.Y. Democratic Party spokesman either.

Rep. Joseph Crowley, a Blue Dog Democrat, was “out of pocket.” Rep. Carolyn Maloney, who’s facing a primary, didn’t put out a statement about the president, although an aide referred to her past support for the project.

In three heavily Republican districts, the issue is being raised by rivals.”

Bill Owens, Mike McMahon, Tim Bishop, Steve Israel, John Hall, Scott Murphy, Anthony Weiner, all ran in silent scream from the drowning pool Obama filled for them. But it is now, thanks to the brilliant Barack Obama not only New York Democrats who have to swim furiously from Obama and his flip-flop flim-flam blundering:

“The White House on Saturday struggled to tamp down the controversy over President Barack Obama’s statements about a mosque near ground zero — insisting Obama wasn’t backing off remarks Friday night when he offered support for a project that has infuriated some families whose loved ones died in the Sept. 11 attacks.

Obama’s comments placed him in the middle of the controversy over a Muslim group’s plans for a mosque near the site of the 2001 attack — and in turn, transformed an emotion-laden local dispute in New York into a nationwide debate overnight.[snip]

And Democrats — at least those who were willing to comment — could barely contain their frustration over Obama’s remarks, saying he had potentially placed every one of their candidates in the middle of the debate by giving GOP candidates a chance to ask them point-blank: Do you agree with Obama on the mosque?

That could be particularly damaging to moderate Democrats in conservative-leaning districts, already 2010’s most vulnerable contenders.

“I would prefer the president be a little more of a politician and a little less of a college professor,” former Rep. Martin Frost (D-Texas), who once ran the House Democratic campaign arm, wrote in POLITICO’s Arena. “While a defensible position, it will not play well in the parts of the country where Democrats need the most help.”

Adding to the political problem for Democrats were the mixed messages out of the White House.

Obama’s comments Friday night — at an Iftar dinner at the White House marking the start of Ramadan — were widely reported as offering support for the specific mosque project in question near ground zero.

But on Saturday, Obama seemed to contradict himself, telling reporters at one point, “I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there. I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding. That’s what our country is about. And I think it’s very important, as difficult as some of these issues are, that we stay focused on who we are as a people and what our values are all about.”

That impromptu answer to a TV reporter covering his trip to Florida prompted a second attempt to clarify his initial statement, this time from spokesman Bill Burton.

“Just to be clear, the president is not backing off in any way from the comments he made last night,” Burton said. “[snip]

The legal right to build the mosque is one even many critics of the mosque have not contested — claiming mainly that the project was inappropriate on grounds of taste and local sensitivities and therefore should be strongly discouraged.

One can easily imagine New York Senator 2×4 Schumer asking “why?” 2×4 Schumer would not be alone:

“The main reaction is ‘Why? Why now?’” said one House Democratic leadership aide. “It’s just another day off message. There have been a lot of days off message.”

The chief of staff to one politically vulnerable House Democrat said it “probably alienates a lot of independent voters” and “it’s not a good issue to be talking about right now.”

He said he suspects “there are a lot of [Democrats] who are spooked in tough districts today” and “a lot of Republicans licking their chops right now.”

Prior to his speech, a few candidates tried with limited success to make the proposed mosque an issue outside of the tristate area around New York City — but Obama’s words may have served to do that for them. A recent CNN poll found two-thirds of Americans oppose building the mosque in the neighborhood around ground zero.”

The Mosque of Doom is now a national issue. The ads write themselves:

“Debra Burlingame, whose brother Charles Burlingame was the pilot of the plane the terrorists hijacked and flew into the Pentagon, said she was furious over the president’s remarks.

“I’m so angry. I believe this president has abandoned the American people,” she said. “This isn’t a fight about religious freedom for Muslims. No one has argued they don’t have the property rights. This is about a project led by someone who says he’s trying to build bridges and bring the community together and he’s chosen probably the worst place in America and the worst way to do it.”

Bitter and clingy Americans will see lots of advertisements featuring the Mosque of Doom and the victims:

“Tim Brown, a New York City firefighter and the plaintiff in a suit filed recently aimed at stopping the mosque based on the argument that the city failed to follow its own landmark policies, said, “I really think he was not speaking to us, I think he was speaking to the Muslim world.”

“It’s hurtful,” he said. “Our own president, the president of the United States, has abanddoned the families who gave too much already. It’s insensitive what he did, it’s hurtful what he did, and he couches it in religious freedom except (the Imam building the mosque)” doesn’t feel that way.”

Grizzly Mama Sarah Palin saw the blood in the water and threw in some Piranha:

“Legitimate Questions for the President –

Mr. President, should they or should they not build a mosque steps away from where radical Islamists killed 3000 people? Please tell us your position. We all know that they have the right to do it, but should they? And, no, this is not above your pay grade. If those who wish to build this Ground Zero mosque are sincerely interested in encouraging positive “cross-cultural engagement” and dialogue to show a moderate and tolerant face of Islam, then why haven’t they recognized that the decision to build a mosque at this particular location is doing just the opposite? Mr. President, why aren’t you encouraging the mosque developers to accept Governor Paterson’s generous offer of assistance in finding a new location for the mosque on state land if they move it away from Ground Zero? Why haven’t they jumped at this offer? Why are they apparently so set on building a mosque steps from what you have described, in agreement with me, as “hallowed ground”? I believe these are legitimate questions to ask.”

2×4 Schumer must be forced to answer that question as well. Every elected official, especially those running for office in November must be made to answer the Mosque of Doom question. Those that support the building of the Mosque of Doom must explain themselves. We know they do not want to be held to account. Before Obama’s Friday night/Saturday morning bamboozlement flip-flop-flim-flam Politico explained why the issue was toxic for Mosque of Doom proponents:

“Wonder why the White House doesn’t want to touch this one?

CNN finds (.pdf) that 68 percent of voters oppose plans to build “a mosque two blocks from the site in New York City where the World Trade Center used to stand.”

The cross-tabs are striking, and negative across the board. A full 79 percent of seniors oppose the plan, but so do 54 percent of Democrats and 45 percent of self-described liberals.”

Recently we wrote an article (“What is a Good Muslim? The New York Mosque of Doom?“) naming good Muslims. The New Republic now asks “What Is Moderate Islam?”

“Is the “Ground Zero Imam,” Feisal Abd ar-Rauf, a moderate Muslim? [snip] Some of his short essays and interviews in English suggest that he is a preacher of moderate disposition and views. But some of his more tentative, if not deceptive commentary about terrorism against Israelis, America’s culpability for 9/11, and the nobility and value of the Holy Law for Muslims living in the West suggest something different.[snip]

However, building an Islamic complex where the Twin Towers collapsed is different from building a mosque on Massachusetts Avenue in Washington, DC. With the latter, we may frown on monies flowing to it from Saudi Arabia’s Wahhabi establishment, given Wahhabism’s virulently anti-Western, anti-Semitic, and just all-around anti-fun traditions, but we certainly would not try to shut it down.

But standards for judging Mr. Rauf and the Cordoba Initiative should be different. Charles Krauthammer is right: Ground Zero is sacred ground. It would be morally obscene to allow Muslims to build a center near Ground Zero who had not unequivocally denounced (renounced, would be okay, too) the ideas that gave us the maelstrom of 9/11. If Mr. Rauf has collected monies from individuals or Muslim organizations overseas that preach contempt for infidels, have financially supported religiously militant organizations, or, worse, provided aide to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers, then his project, which has been approved by Mayor Michael Bloomberg, ought to be cancelled. Any American non-profit organization can tell you exactly whence its money comes. By contrast, it appears that the Cordoba Initiative’s funding has not been cross-checked with financial counterterrorist information within the Treasury Department, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Central Intelligence Agency. (If it had been, we probably would have heard about it.)

We also might wonder whether Mayor Bloomberg has asked for and received any alarming information from the FBI and the CIA about Mr. Rauf and his organization (Republican and Democratic members of either the House or Senate select committees on intelligence could do likewise, and receive a much fuller accounting of any information, and then relay, with due attention to Mr. Rauf’s privacy, a “yes” or “no” about any damning intelligence within classified files).

As any American or European counterterrorist officer can tell you, there is often a bewildering matrix of Islamic charities and financial institutions that knowingly, and unknowingly, funnel monies for terrorist groups and radical organizations. Mr. Rauf may be unfairly thought guilty by association; if so, he most of all should want to know whether he has received funds from Muslims who do not believe in peaceful coexistence with the West.

So we need to know whether Mr. Rauf is a moderate Muslim.”

The “Good Muslims” we named understand and have said they will be undermined by building the triumphalist Mosque of Doom. Why do elected officials fail to encourage these good Muslims and instead reflexively embrace the untested? Marc Gerecht at The New Republic thinks he knows why:

“Who—or what—is a “moderate Muslim” isn’t an easy question to answer. A moderate believer in the Iraqi holy city of Najaf isn’t the same as a moderate Muslim in the down-and-out suburbs of Paris. Moderate American Muslims, given the cultural traditions and moral expectations in the United States, would be different from moderate Muslims in the Persian Gulf (Mr. Rauf was born in Kuwait), where, depending on the country, an unveiled Muslim woman is a profound provocation.

Mirror-imaging themselves onto foreigners, Americans on both the left and the right are usually pretty quick to see moderate Muslims everywhere (George W. Bush and Barack Obama differ little here). Historically, Muslims themselves have shied away from splicing and dicing the faith in secular Western ways. The Ottomans viewed the jihad-happy, shrine-destroying, Shiite-killing Saudi Wahhabis as being beyond the Islamic pale; when a historian hits the words ghulat or ifrati—both denote “extremism”—in chronicles, he knows the author is probably discussing Muslims who are outrageously violent or proselytizing unholy ideas, like a Sufi lord, a pir, becoming a god-head.

But non-Muslim Americans need not, of course, define “moderation” as would faithful Muslims with a respectful eye to the past. We get to use American definitions for anything that happens on American soil. As de Tocqueville noted, faith in the United States is a civil creed: Americans have always put limits on what is acceptable in the communications between God and man. American Protestants and Catholics got to tell Mormons that despite their divine text messaging, polygamy and racism were taboo. (Today’s American secular elite has obviously gotten a bit lax about polygyny.) American Jews get to cross off the “moderate list” anyone who describes the children of Abraham as “Christ-killers.”

So what might be an American definition of a “moderate Muslim?” Perhaps the following two entries would be a good place to start.

(i) a believer who unqualifiedly rejects terrorism against anyone. This is America’s Eleventh Commandment. If a Muslim cannot renounce terrorism against Israelis, that person should not be allowed to build an Islamic center near Ground Zero. Testing for unacceptable deviancy isn’t hard. Just borrow from the former al-Qa’ida philosopher, Abd al-Qadir bin Abd al-Aziz, aka “Dr. Fadl,” who sees Palestinian suicide bombers as destined for hell. Thus: “Do you, Feisal Abd ar-Rauf, believe that Allah damns eternally Palestinian suicide bombers?” “Do you believe that rockets launched at Israeli towns by Hamas and Hizbollah are acts of terrorism, which will bring down upon the perpetrators Allah’s wrath?” Mr. Rauf’s answers ought to be short.

(ii) a believer who embraces the doctrine of “neo-ijtihad,” which holds that Muslims today are not chained to the Qur’anic interpretations and legal decisions accepted centuries ago as canonical. Specifically, a “moderate Muslim American” is someone who unqualifiedly renounces the applicability of the Sharia, the Holy Law, in American society. The “Americanization of Islam” here means that the traditional Muslim understanding of orthodoxy as orthopraxy (it’s not what you believe in your heart—that is between you and God—but how you act, i.e., apply the Sharia, in the public square that matters) is null and void. Thus, women may veil or not veil as they please; a woman’s testimony is equal to a man’s; polygyny is verboten; marriage to a menstruating child is an abomination; accepted corporalpunishments—amputations and stonings—are immoral; apostasy reflects bad judgment but isn’t criminal; and Jews and Christians should spiritually no longer be viewed as dhimmis, a properly subordinate species who really don’t deserve the same social status and legal rights as Muslims. Jewish and Christian power in America and Europe isn’t an offense against the divinely-sanctioned natural order; it’s just the product of a long, difficult, and tortuous evolution. The Sharia is a lengthy and complicated corpus that developed over centuries and often constrained the worst instincts of despots. A “moderate Muslim American” would see it in much the same way that a faithful “moderate Jewish American” views the Old Testament and the Talmud: documents of a certain time that contain considerable “divine” wisdom (as well as much looniness) and many imperatives for a good, healthy life.”

Our elected leaders and those that seek election must be made to explain their positions, pro or con, the Mosque of Doom. 2×4 Schumer as Senator from New York must answer these question fully. We know 2×4 Schumer does not want to answer these questions:

“A new poll from Marist shows that a majority of registered voters in New York City oppose the construction of a mosque near Ground Zero in Manhattan. Fifty three percent of those surveyed, including 50% of Democrats, 74% of Republicans, and 52% of “non-enrolled” voters, don’t want to see the mosque built, while 34% fav0r the project and 13% are “unsure.”

A nearly identical 50% saying that building such a structure “offends the memory of thge 9/11 victims and their families.” Thirty-four percent say the project will “help people better understand the teachings of Islam and the Muslim religion.”

These numbers will get worse for Barack Obama and 2×4 Schumer. As voters end their vacations and the post Labor Day campaigning begins – the talk will be about the Mosque of Doom. Also, Ramadan this year ends almost on September 11 heightening the Mosque of Doom awareness. After Labor Day, the Mosque of Doom will be the overriding emotional issue along with the collapsing economy.

Barack Obama and his haughty Dimocrats must speak clearly and explain their support for the Mosque of Doom. 2×4 Chuck Schumer must explain his silence and his position on the Mosque of Doom. 2×4 Schumer must explain to Bonnie McEneaney WHY?

Barack Obama tried to do a Jeremiah Wright “race” style speech and this time he failed to distract from the basic issue. Unfortunately for 2×4 Schumer and other Obama Dimocrats they are the ones directly up for election this November.

Barack Obama entered the Mosque of Doom on Friday. 2×4 Chuck Schumer and Obama Dimocrats entered the Mosque of Doom along with Obama. It’s now Barack Obama’s Mosque and it’s now 2×4 Schumer’s Mosque as well as every Obama Dimocrat’s Mosque.

Those who want to stop the Mosque of Doom will vote out every Obama Dimocrat who does not speak out against the Mosque of Doom now and in a convincing manner.

Ask not for whom the Mosque of Doom tolls, Chuck. It tolls for thee.

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229 thoughts on “The Obama/2×4 Schumer Mosque Of Doom Rising

  1. Excellent post Admin…….

    Now How convenient…..

    Reid Announces $8 Million For Highway Construction

    Funding for road improvements creates jobs statewide

    Reno, NV- Nevada Senator Harry Reid today announced that the U.S. Department of Transportation has awarded Nevada with more than $8 million in grants for highway improvements and construction. The funding goes to projects that will make Nevada highways safer and create additional jobs in road construction and maintenance. The Pyramid Highway Corridor will receive $1.1 million; a portion of US 50 in Douglas County will receive $1 million for realignment; $2.2 million will go to widen SR 160 between Las Vegas and Pahrump; $500,000 will go to improvements for the State Traffic Safety Information System and $3.3 million will go toward the Southern Nevada Beltway Airport Connector interchange project.

    “I thank Secretary LaHood for making these funds available for projects that will put Nevadans back to work and make important improvements to Nevada roadways,” said Reid. “By investing in these projects we ensure the safety and longevity of Nevada’s roadways while providing a boost to our economy and workforce.”

    ……………………………………….

    anyone would think there was a close election coming or something and this move could not be viewed as cynical buyoffs for voters.

  2. Why the hell does the WH need a 376 million renovation in the middle of a recession.

    If Obama had any brains he would have cancelled it or postponed it for a while and used that money elsewhere.

    Ridiculous.

  3. Bravo admin!

    “Barack Obama tried to do a Jeremiah Wright “race” style speech and this time he failed to distract from the basic issue. Unfortunately for 2×4 Schumer and other Obama Dimocrats they are the ones directly up for election this November.”

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    Yep. I’m waiting for his “greatest speeches” book to come out.

  4. OMG!

    ADMIN, you used the phrase “Mosque of Doom” on August 9! It was clever, then, but now it is absolutely prescient! Did you have any idea of how accurate your headline was?

    You are prophetic.

    Amazing.

  5. a friend of mine sent this to me in an email…if you have not seen this yet…it is both shocking and sad…seems like women suffer and remain invisible in these wars we are fighting…

    youtube.com/watch?v=ojBrzUil0Ig

    literally invisible…take a peek when you have a few moments…

    women are treated below the level of trash…

  6. Jesus, arent you sick of posting that poll over and over again. I can rattle it off now closing my eyes.

  7. New York bus ad opposing planned ground zero mosque approved

    From CNN’s Julie Cannold:

    An ad opposing a planned mosque near ground zero will soon appear on some New York City buses after getting the green light from the city’s Metropolitan Transportation Authority.

    The controversial ad features a photo of one of the hijacked jets flying into the burning World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, along with a drawing of a high-rise building with an Islamic crescent and the label “WTC Mega Mosque.” The ad, emblazoned with the words, “Why There?” was initially rejected by the transportation authority.

    The group that created the ad, the American Freedom Defense Initiative, sued the authority last week for censorship and obstruction of free speech.

    The transportation authority approved the ad on Monday and released a statement saying, “While the MTA does not endorse the views expressed in this or other ads that appear on the transit system, the ad…was accepted after its review under MTA’s advertising guidelines and governing legal standards.”

    Pamela Geller, executive director of the group that created the ad, said, “It’s an issue of free speech. I mean, what is the principle of free speech? It’s to protect all ideas, not just the good ones, not just the ones that everybody likes, but all ideas.”

    Geller said the main message of the ad is to express concern with the choice of location for the proposed mosque, not to oppose mosques in general. As to controversy that the ad has generated, she said, “Why is there an issue with the actual image of the attack, but not of a 15-story mega-mosque looking down on ground zero? I don’t understand that at all.”

    The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), which supports the planned mosque, expressed concern over the motivation of the ad and the effect it will have.

    CAIR released a statement saying, “While American Muslims support free expression, we maintain the right to question the motives of the group behind the bigoted bus ads opposing the planned community center near Ground Zero. Anti-Muslim fanatics…are exploiting the tragedy of 9/11 to spread hate and fear. That kind of divisive tactic is not only insensitive to New Yorkers, it risks threatening the safety of an entire religious minority.”

    According to the transportation authority, the ad, which cost $8,000 to place on buses, will appear on 26 buses and will run for four weeks, starting some time next week.

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/10/transportation-authority-approves-bus-ad-opposing-planned-ground-zero-mosque/

  8. What’s more important, is to distinguish what’s fact and what’s opinion.

    Remember the Bots who went around saying “The Clintons made racist remarks” … “Hillary did dirty campaigning”? When questioned, they did not have any actual facts. They did not know what the Clintons had actually said, or what ads Hillary had run that were allegedly ‘dirty.’

    Same with accusing Bill in 1998 of ‘obstruction of justice’. GOP voters did not know what his actual actions were.

    In these cases, someone’s OPINION that an action constituted ‘racism’, ‘dirty campaigning’, ‘obstruction of justice’ etc is being used as though no one needed to look at the physical fact.

    And now it is the same with the word ‘mosque’. Whether a whole 13 story building with a swimming pool, auditorium, etc, open to all residents and administered by a committee composed equally of Christians, Jews, and Muslims should be referred to as a ‘mosque’ or a ‘towering mosque’ is a matter of opinion at best.

    I bet most of the people emoting about this don’t even know what sort of building is actually planned! They’re probably imagining a 13 story Taj Mahal.

    In fact is a big building that will INCLUDE a mosque or prayer space. We don’t call a shopping mall a ‘sheriff’s office’ just because the sheriff has a small office inside the mall. We don’t call a YMCA a ‘cathedral’ just becuase it includes a small chapel.

    (Imo the promoters should drop the idea, as it’s flopped. Hm, for a deep dark plot, maybe they’re hoping someone will take their white elephant real estate property off their hands at a profit.)

  9. They are making this a race issue again, when it should only be a sensitivity issue to an extreme crisis and it’s aftermath.

  10. Meanwhile, this is what is going on in Afghanistan. Why can’t the “Good” Muslims, oil soaked rich Saudis, stop these heinous crimes against humanity?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-10983494

    A man and a woman who allegedly had an adulterous affair have been stoned and killed in the northern Afghan province of Kunduz.

    The punishment happened in a crowded bazaar on Sunday in the Taliban-controlled village of Mullah Quli.

    The Taliban have not commented on the public killing, but it was confirmed by local officials and witnesses.

    This month the Taliban also reportedly flogged and killed a pregnant widow in western Baghdis province.

  11. Really, who gives a sh!t that the muslims own a White Elephant piece of real estate? Have you seen the percentage of our citizens who are so underwater with their real estate, which is a real tragedy? We don’t call…..so tiresome. It does not matter what they call it, what else is included within it, it is an abomination to the sensibility of what is ‘right.’ I think I may have been the first to refer to salt in relationship to this Mosque of Doom by asking why don’t we just send them boatloads of salt to pour into the wounds of all us Americans who still have open wounds about the attack and death of our fellow citizens by RADICAL ISLAMIST muslims.

    I worked, at one time, with a survivor of Pearl Harbor who was stationed on the USS Arizona but not onboard at the time of the attack. I’s betcha that HE and his fellow service men would not accept the notion of building anything related to Japan on top of the sunken Arizona!!!

  12. jbstonesfan
    August 16th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
    Enjoyed reading as always. By the way, what is a “moderate Muslim”?
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    There aren’t any in my book, just like there weren’t any ‘moderate’ Nazi’s

  13. Glenn Greenwald embarrassed himself with this hosanna: “one of the most impressive and commendable things Obama has done since being inaugurated.”

    —-

    Still reading your wonderful post Admin,

    but it still shocks me to hear kool-aid mainliners say things like this…
    Obama is the ‘smartest’ President in the planet, his is the wisest in the history of mankind…….dribble, gack, spit.

    These guys gush forth with more nonsense than a preteen over their favorite boy-band.

    Makes me want to puke.

    Their boldfaced lies must be some sort of obsession…nothing else makes sense.

  14. Good for you, Admin to have caught on to Obama’s parallel with the “Wright Race” speech. Too bad the blogger boys failed in their attempt to distort and distract. The magic of Obama is gone! In that speech he even used a big word ‘nihilist’ to say terrorist but not say the word terrorist. What kind of a fucking wimp is he?

  15. turndown

    Manhattan is, of course, the borough in which the WTC was located, and Cordoba House is planned.

    —–

    Doesn’t matter what the poll in Manhattan is, the people that died on Sept 11th were not all natives of Manhatten. The World Trade Center was representing America, and what matters is what the majority of American’s think about the building of the mosque.

    If they build it against the majority’s wish, I hope it burns to the ground the day it is finished, better yet, I hope the fire starts from a lightening strike and burns it to the ground.

  16. TurnDownObama, it’s a mosque.

    In big Christian “mega-churches” there are many facilities such as libraries, stores, bathrooms, reading rooms, restaurants, meeting halls, kitchens, dining areas, etc. But these are still churches.

    As we noted, a mosque is by definition a “community center”. There is at the center of a mosque a hall where worship services are conducted but the entire complex, the entire compound, is a mosque.

    Your example of a shopping mall is a good one. The purpose of a shopping mall is shopping, not the bathroom facilities or the parking facilities. The mosque traditionally also serves many purposes but the raison d’etre is worship and theological indoctrination into the faith. The mosque has all sorts of rooms for all sorts of community activities – but it is a mosque.

    The Park51 people are attempting to create the impression that their mosque is like the 92nd street Y. But if you read their website the weasel words stick out.

    For instance, in a list of the “facilities” there is a listing for all the wonderful “recreation spaces and fitness facilities” and this:

    http://www.park51.org/facilities.htm

    “a mosque, intended to be run separately from Park51 but open to and accessible to all members, visitors and our New York community”. “Intended”??? Why not “which will be run separately and apart from…”?

    As to all those wonderfully advertised facilities, are they going to be open to all sexes or will they be segregated? How welcoming of other faiths and cultures, not to mention sexual orientation and genders will this mosque, or whatever category you attach to it, be? The signs might say “welcome” but it is very possible that non-Muslims will be as welcome as a long-tailed cat in a roomful of rocking chairs.

    The Mosque of Doom is a traditional mosque only built vertically.

    As to your assertion that the structure will be “administered by a committee composed equally of Christians, Jews, and Muslims” do you have a citation for that? According to the Park51 website there is not even a non-profit entity nor tax-exempt status, nor an advisory board as of yet.

    Further in the official website, unless we have missed it, there is no reference whatsoever of this “equal representation” administrative committee you cite. Are you referring to the non-existent and toothless, supposed advisory board (which can be stacked with senseless Christians and Jews or Atheists which will represent zero accountability)?

    From what we can tell by reading their very own website, there is not much information, nor any transparency whatsoever. It is up to the Mosque builders to explain what they are up to but we have not seen them opening themselves up to any questioning whatsoever. What we do see is a lot of mealy mouthed weasel words of peace love and understanding, but nothing to back those words up.

    While the builders want to confuse by calling it a “community center” (knowing full well that mosques are community centers) it appears to be a mosque in form and function. It’s a mosque.

  17. Ah, Unity. The Mosque of Doom has something for everyone. Now the Mormon haters can enjoy themselves too:

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hHYUXhXg36rpzKeUva55Llvea41AD9HKPNHO0

    The Senate’s top Democrat on Monday came out against plans to build a mosque near the site of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, moving away from President Barack Obama on the controversial election-year issue.

    Locked in a tight race, Nevada Sen. Harry Reid became the highest profile Democrat to respond to Obama, who last week backed the right for the developers to build a mosque near ground zero. Since his comments Friday, the Democratic president and his aides have worked to explain the statement, which drew criticism from Republicans and Democrats alike.

    “The First Amendment protects freedom of religion,” said Jim Manley, a Reid spokesman. “Senator Reid respects that, but thinks that the mosque should be built some place else.”

  18. This is another absolutely brilliant piece, admin. Thank you for such incredibly spot-on analysis.
    OT – have you all heard that DOJ is dropping charges against Tom DeLay? (I’ve not been back to check out previous post additions).
    Well there’s another Oh bomination. One party same as the other. Third Bush. Amazing that they could not pin down such slime.
    But Tom did come up with remarks that gave me a chuckle and I pass them on:
    snip
    “I know that this is the price of leadership, but frankly it doesn’t have to happen this way,” he said. “The criminalization of politics and the politics of personal destruction is not beneficial to the country or to our system. And hopefully it will stop. … The new politics is not good enough to beat you. They have to drown you and dance on your grave.” DeLay specifically criticized House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who helped lead Democrats into the majority after DeLay left Congress and pledged after the 2006 election to “drain the swamp” in Washington. “She was the swamp,” DeLay said.
    snip
    h t t p://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/16/delay-lawyer-says-justice-department-ends-probe/?test=latestnews

  19. And so it begins. Greg Sargent hates Mormons:

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/08/breaking_reid_calls_for_mosque.html

    “The second most powerful Democrat in the country is not willing to support the President in his efforts to defend the right of Muslims to build a cultural center on private property, if the site in question is in the vicinity of Ground Zero. This comes after his opponent, Sharron Angle, attacked him on the issue this morning.

    But the really funny part is Greg now upside down attacking Harry for what he praised Obama, among some other Greg gems:

    Some are pointing out that Reid, by citing the First Amendment and religious freedom, is reaffirming the group’s right to build the project. That’s true. But it’s not terribly relevant in the current political context. First off, that’s not a difficult position to take. Many Republicans also respect the group’s right to build, while claiming that the group is wrong to exercise that right.

    Despite Reid’s reaffirmation of this right, his response is still weak and indefensible. And it leaves the President hanging after he took a big risk to do the right thing. Obama did not explicitly endorse the decision to build the center. But Obama did say that if the group does proceed with that decision, we must respect that decision, in accordance with American values.

    Reid is not willing to say that. Rather, he’s saying, in effect, that even if he supports the group’s right to build the center, he’s not willing to respect the decision to do so. That’s unacceptable, and leaves Obama isolated at a very sensitive moment.

    What’s more, it’s unclear why coming out against the plan in the manner Reid did is even good politics for Democrats at this point. Reid basically threw the whole Dem caucus under the bus: With the Senate leader at odds with the president, the media will press every Senate Dem to declare which side they’re on.

    And this fuels a bad narrative for Dems, too. Literally seconds after Reid’s statement hit the wire, Republicans blasted out a press release mocking the Dem disarray on this issue with this tagline: “Great moments in August Democratic Messaging.” This just makes the Dems look weak, unorganized, cowardly, and unwilling to take a stand for principles they plainly believe in.

    It’s impossible at this point to get any logic out of JournoLister Greg.

  20. Reposting:

    SMART DEMS FLEE OBAMA’S TOXIC COATTAILS (PART I)

    As I recall, back in the primaries in 2008, another reason to support Obama rather than Hillary was that HE could unite the party…

    stltoday.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/article_a07d350a-a43b-11df-a1d0-00127992bc8b.html

    AUSTIN, Texas — President Barack Obama shared an enthusiastic handshake and a hearty clap on the shoulder with this state’s Republican governor, Rick Perry, when Air Force One touched down here Monday.

    But while Perry, who is running for re-election, stood on the tarmac and clapped for the president, his Democratic challenger, Bill White, was nowhere to be seen.

    The decision by White, a former mayor of Houston, to avoid the visit of a sitting president from his own party needed little explanation: As a moderate Democrat in a state controlled by Republicans, he could ill afford to cozy up to Obama, who is being characterized as a tax-and-spend liberal by some of Texas’ more conservative politicians, and by White himself.

    The disappearing act by White, who said he would be on the campaign trail elsewhere in the state, points up a conundrum for Obama in this midterm election season. While the president remains a powerful fundraiser for the Democratic Party – he brought in more than $1.6 million Monday during back-to-back events in Austin and Dallas – his travels do not always sit well with the candidates whose campaigns he is hoping to help.

    Some are distancing themselves. During Obama’s recent visit to Georgia, Roy Barnes, the former governor who is running to reclaim his job, found reason to stay away. Here in Texas, as White made himself scarce, Republicans made hay of the visit, with a news release featuring a picture of Obama in a cowboy hat under the headline “Alone on the Range.”

    The president paired his fundraising swing with a policy event, a speech at the University of Texas, Austin, in which he made the case that “education is an economic issue” and restated his call for the United States to produce an additional eight million college graduates by the year 2020.

    But the bulk of the trip was devoted to politicking, and Obama made no bones about it.

    “We have spent the last 20 months governing,” he said at a luncheon with donors in Austin. “They spent the last 20 months politicking. Now we’ve got three months to go, and so we’ve decided, well, we can politick for three months. They’ve forgotten I know how to politic pretty good.”

    The White House often pairs policy trips with fundraising events, so the taxpayers can pick up part of the expense, a practice common to past administrations as well. On Monday, Obama began his day with the Austin fundraiser, a lunch that raised $1 million for the Democratic National Committee. Of that, $250,000 was to go to the Texas Democratic Party, presumably to help candidates including White.

    The president ended his day in the Dallas suburb of Highland Park at the home of Russell Budd, a prominent plaintiff’s lawyer, who hosted a cocktail party that raised $650,000 for the committee that helps elect Senate Democrats.

    It is tough to be a Democrat in Texas; Obama lost this state in 2008 by nearly one million votes. Still, Bill Burton, the deputy White House press secretary, said he saw no broader message in White’s absence.

  21. Basil9, we knew the minute we heard about this story that it was the political equivalent of the Princess Diana story. For whatever reason it is a huge tuning fork that reverberates emotionally in people. We called it “Mosque of Doom” because of the 9/11 site and the predicament the Dims faced.

  22. Reposting another:

    TOXIC COATTAILS (PART II)

    washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/15/AR2010081502551.html

    Some Democratic candidates distance themselves from Obama
    ==========================

    By Chris Cillizza
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Monday, August 16, 2010

    Fight or flight?

    That is the question Democratic incumbents and challengers in this fall’s elections are asking themselves when it comes to dealing with President Obama. Is the best course to distance oneself from a president whose job-approval rating has sunk below 50 percent and whose appeal to independents has gone missing? Or to embrace him and his policies — the majority of which remain quite popular with the Democratic base that will be essential to any victories that the party claims this fall?

    Powerful forces are lining up on both sides of that strategic divide.

    Democratic National Committee Chairman Tim Kaine made clear in an interview with “Fox & Friends” last week that he thinks candidates distancing themselves from the president — and from high-profile congressional leaders such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi — are making the wrong move. “I can tell you Democrats who kind of are afraid to be who they are, or pushing back on their leaders, I think they’re crazy,” Kaine said.

    And yet, in campaigns across the country, many Democrats are doing just that.

    In Indiana, Rep. Joe Donnelly is running a television ad in which he details his generally conservative stance on immigration while images of Obama and Pelosi are shown on screen. “That may not be what the Washington crowd wants, but I don’t work for them,” Donnelly says in the ad. “I work for you.”

    Rep. Travis Childers, who represents a district in northern Mississippi where Obama won just 38 percent of the vote in 2008, takes a similar approach in his TV advertising — promoting the fact that he has “voted against every big budget” since winning a special election two years ago.

    Even some Democratic candidates who are being heavily touted by the White House appear determined to keep the president at arm’s length. Shortly after Obama played a lead role in helping Sen. Michael Bennet defeat former state House speaker Andrew Romanoff in a Democratic primary fight last Tuesday, Bennet was asked whether he would want the president to campaign with him this fall. “We’ll have to see,” Bennet told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos — a response well short of a ringing endorsement of Obama’s political standing.

    One senior Democratic consultant suggested that the distance candidates are seeking to put between themselves and Obama is reflective of the ascendance of economic issues in voters’ minds. “Barack Obama’s economic policy of spending our way out of recession is seen as a failure at best and harmful at worst,” the source said. “That should tell candidates in competitive jurisdictions all they need to know about running with the president.”

    Polling on the issue is slightly less stark. In a recent Washington Post-ABC News survey, 51 percent said it was more important to have Republicans in charge of Congress “to act as a check on Obama” while 43 percent said they would rather have Democrats in charge to “help support Obama’s policies.”

    Although it appears as though most candidates won’t be following Kaine’s advice in the final three months of the midterm campaign, it’s far less clear whether any Democrat — particularly those who have spent the past two years in Congress — can succeed in gaining separation from the president.

    “Even if it made strategic sense, it is hard for Democratic incumbents with a voting record to literally distance themselves from the president,” said Democratic pollster Fred Yang.

    Obama himself has long argued behind closed doors that Democratic incumbents are stuck with him in good times and in bad; that is, voters simply will not differentiate between the Democratic president and their Democratic member of Congress in the vast majority of districts across the country.

    By embracing the president and his policies, the argument goes, the Democratic base will be fired up. And, in midterm elections, base intensity isn’t everything — it’s the only thing.

    But Tom Davis, a former congressman from Virginia and one of the Republican Party’s leading strategists, noted that although Democrats need the “Obama turnout model in urban and minority areas,” the president is “radioactive” in the “South, border and mountain states.” That push and pull creates a “dilemma” for Democrats on the ballot this fall, Davis said.

    Martin Frost, a longtime Texas Democratic congressman who, like Davis, spent much of his time in Washington focused on campaigns, said that while “candidates in the South and Midwest will need to put some distance between themselves and Obama,” the president can still help his party avoid disaster this fall.

    “Obama’s best contribution to the campaign will be to raise money for the party committees, as he did in Texas” recently, Frost said. “He can raise big money even in red states, and he shouldn’t be offended when Democrats like Bill White and Chet Edwards don’t show up for a photo,” he said, referring to the party’s candidate for Texas governor and a congressman from the state, respectively.

  23. PM317, we really don’t like that song. So if you want it, it’s yours. 🙂 Have another one (which we don’t particularly care for either):

  24. Democratic National Committee Chairman Tim Kaine made clear in an interview with “Fox & Friends” last week that he thinks candidates distancing themselves from the president — and from high-profile congressional leaders such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi — are making the wrong move. “I can tell you Democrats who kind of are afraid to be who they are, or pushing back on their leaders, I think they’re crazy,” Kaine said.
    ————————————————–
    Kaine may not realize it but 43 to 51 does not win elections. Obama is an albatross except in those urban areas they would win anyway without him.

  25. admin,

    It’s almost as if you had advance info that BO would stick his foot squarely where the sun don’t shine with this issue and wedge it up so far he wouldn’t be able to pull it free.

    This is a quicksand moment for him. I hope the Mosque of Doom buries him (metaphorically speaking).

  26. confloyd
    August 15th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
    ************

    I am beginning to believe that Harvard has been bought lock, step and barrel by the Saudis

  27. advance info…..nah just the fabulous ability to know when an asshole wont be able to and cannot stop himself from opening his big mouth.

  28. The 9th anniversary of 9/11 is just a few weeks away…..I’m sure all the dems will use these days to re-find their patriotism and back the zero soon on his reversal…..

    They will be using the tragedy to regain themselves with the help of all their liberal friends while the gop will also use it for their needs…

    So sorry for all those folks and especially the families and the police/fireman….

    I am SO SO SICK of all of them!!!!!

  29. Think this has to do with the mosque flap, i bet it does. Stunning.

    Republican candidates have jumped out to a record-setting 12-point lead over Democrats on the Generic Congressional Ballot for the week ending Sunday, August 15, 2010. This is the biggest lead the GOP has held in over a decade of Rasmussen Reports surveying.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot
    …………………………………

    Something tells me i think we’ve hit a tipping point and Obama and Obama tipped the bucket of shit right over the dems.

  30. So much for Obamacare

    Health Care Premiums Are Already Soaring In Advance of Obamacare

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/08/16/bradley-blakeman-obamacare-blue-cross-blue-shield-premiums-consumers-union/

    This past month millions of Americans got notice from Blue Cross/Blue Shield providers across the country that their insurance premiums were going way up effective immediately. Here is the terse reason CareFirst/ Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Washington gave its subscribers for raising a monthly premium from $333 to $512 on a middle aged man who is healthy, is not a smoker and is not obese: “Your new rate reflects the overall rise in health care costs and we regret having to pass these additional costs on to you.”

    Recently, Fox News anchor Bill O’Reilly also received a similar notice from his health care provider, (Anthem Blue Cross), and was told that his annual premium will increase by $2,100.

    The excuse given was the same boilerplate as set forth above.

    An 85-year-old New Yorker received notice from his health care provider, (Empire Blue Cross/Blue Shield), wherein he was notified that:

    1. His Medicare deductible is being increased from $1,068 to $1,100;

    read on…………….

  31. File this under, “Oh My God”…and :I told you so ”
    ******************

    Ho Boy: FDA May Rescind Approval Of Anti-Breast-Cancer Drug As Political Favor To Obama
    —Ace

    That’s my take. See if you don’t agree.

    The FDA is not supposed to consider costs of treatment. Their mandate is to determine if a drug is “safe and effective,” period. If it’s safe and effective, it gets approved. Period. That’s their job. Officials there recently re-iterated that cost considerations are not part of their mandate.

    Medicare and Medicaid, on the other hand, approve treatments according to whether they are “reasonable and necessary.” Note that cost is implicated in that mandate. They can take notice of costs.

    But this means, then, that some drugs approved by the FDA as “safe and effective” might also be ruled as non-reimbursable by Medicare/Medicaid as not “reasonable and necessary.” This is an implicit thing, and no one’s fault, really: Some drugs may be available, and “safe and effective” according to the FDA, and yet no reimbursable as “reasonable and necessary” by Medicare and Medicaid.

    This presents a political problem for Obama in the case of anti-breast-cancer drug Avastin. Apparently it’s quite expensive. His new head of Medicaid and Medicare, Berwick, who makes a point of talking up controlling costs by denying some treatments, is going to deny reimbursement for an anti-prostate-cancer drug, Provenge. Or, well, they’re still mulling it over, which means they’re considering not covering it.

    And now there is the anti-breast-cancer drug Avastin. Like Provenge, it has already been approved by the FDA. But that creates a political problem — how can Obama control costs and reassure the public that he’s not, as maintained by his critics, denying useful and effective drugs to seniors in order to free up money for ObamaCare?

    Oh — here’s a great idea! We’ll just get the FDA to rescind its previous approval of the drug so that Medicare and Medicaid don’t even have to consider reimbursing for it, thus sparing Obama a political headache, and merely at the cost of taking off the market, from anyone suffering from breast cancer, a drug already deemed “safe and effective” by the FDA.

    Federal regulators are considering taking the highly unusual step of rescinding approval of a drug that patients with advanced breast cancer turn to as a last-ditch hope.
    The debate over Avastin, prescribed to about 17,500 women with breast cancer a year, has become entangled in the politically explosive struggle over medical spending and effectiveness that flared during the battle over health-care reform: How should the government balance protecting patients and controlling costs without restricting access to cutting-edge, and often costly, treatments? …

    The FDA is not supposed to consider costs in its decisions, but if the agency rescinds approval, insurers are likely to stop paying for treatment.

    “It’s hard to talk about Avastin without talking about costs,” said Eric P. Winer, director of the Breast Oncology Center at the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston. “For better or worse, Avastin has become in many ways the poster child of high-priced anti-cancer drugs.”

    This is criminal. To avoid a difficult political debate — and the honest confession that “bending the curve” of Medicare costs to free up money for ObamaCare is going to require a lesser standard of treatment — the FDA is killing a safe and effective drug and thereby outlawing for anyone, including those who can be helped by this drug and no other, and who are paying for the drug with their own private insurance or own out-of-pocket money.

    In other words: He is doing exactly what he vowed he would not. He is “equalizing” health access not by bringing up care for those who have little, but by reducing care by full might of federal legal power for those who have “too much.”

    We’ll all meet in the middle, I guess. Or somewhere a few rungs down from the middle.

    There will be casualties.

    “I’m very upset,” said Leslie Twohig, 48, of Lothian, Md., who has been taking Avastin for eight months and credits the drug with helping her survive. “How long will I be able to stay on Avastin? Are they going to take it away? I know it’s working for me. Right now I am able to enjoy my life. Every morning I wake up and wonder how long it’s going to go on.”
    But these are Little People, Little People. Sometimes they will have to be sacrificed for the greater good.

    But you know who will have access to Avastin and Provenge and similarly expensive and therefore outlawed drugs?

    You know who.

    The rules are different for the ruling class. Some lives are simply too precious to sacrifice for a broader principle.

    There are people who count, and then there are people who count only as regards their presence in great numbers — i.e., statistics.

    You are a statistic. Know your place.

  32. The Obituary for Sargent and Smith for rushing to the point position prematurely on the Mosque of Doom:

    “Forward, the Light Brigade!”
    Was there a man dismay’d?
    Not tho’ the soldier knew
    Someone had blunder’d:
    Theirs not to make reply,
    Theirs not to reason why,
    Theirs but to do and die:
    Into the valley of Death
    Rode the six hundred.

    The death referred to above is to their credibility. It fixes their place in the Jurno Listers Hall of Shame.

  33. From Ace..really, if they don’t announce the moving of the Mosque by 9/11 it’s over
    *********************************

    Muslim Leaders Considering Moving Victory Mosque?
    NO, Park51 Spokesjihadist Insists; Story Is Wholly In Error
    —Ace
    Update: What Moderate Muslim Bridge Building Looks Like: FYNQ.

    Update: Fred Thompson on Obama’s shark-jump weekend.

    Hmmm…

    Sources in New York said on Monday that Muslim religious and business leaders will announce plans to abandon the project in the next few days.
    New York Governor David Patterson said last weekend that Muslim leaders had rejected outright his proposal tto swap the site in for another in Manhattan.

    But several people familiar with the debate among New York’s Islamic activists now claim that the leaders are convinced abandoning the site is preferable to unleashing a wave of bitterness towards Muslims.

    Via Jim Nolte’s Twitter feed.

  34. ROTF, moononpluto.

    You do have a way with words. BO tipping a bucket of poo over the dims.
    Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch.

    hehehehehe.

  35. As we noted, a mosque is by definition a “community center”.

    ======

    Sorry, but that’s equivocation.

    We know what ‘community center’ means in common US usage. A facility for all local residents regardless of race, creed, and all that. That is what they are planning.

    To equate that with ‘center of the Muslim community’ is just word games.

  36. Basil, its not as if we did not warn them Obama would be toxic to all within 2 years, we all predicted it on here. It was not rocket science that when you put someone who has a history of voting present, running away from responsibility, never doing anything in a job, exceling at nothing when it was available and frankly has no real history to see that you would get a bucket of shit tipped over you eventually.

    Welcome to the toilet pan DNC. I’m afraid you had a fantastic option in 2008, you blew it for what can only be called “shit that floated”. You deserve all thats coming your way.

  37. TurnDownObama, we provided a citation for our statement in the article. The issue is not what “Common US usage” is. We know what Americans mean by “community center”. The issue is what do the mosque builders mean.

    The “word games” come from the builders.

  38. Oh, YAY! The Germans smell the coffee noting something smells rotten in New Yawk- and they remotely don’t want to be any part of any Mosques publicaly showing their disdain for Muslim sensitivities.
    ______________________

    German mosque used by Sept. 11 attackers shut down

    (AP) – Aug 8, 2010

    BERLIN — German authorities say they have closed a Hamburg mosque used by the Sept. 11 attackers as a meeting place before they moved to the United States.

    A statement by Hamburg officials says the Taiba mosque was shut down and its cultural association was banned on Monday.

    The prayer house, formerly known as al-Quds mosque, used to be a meeting and recruiting point for some of the Sept. 11 attackers.

    Weekly news magazine Focus cites a report by a local intelligence agency branch in saying the mosque has again become the city’s “main center of attraction for the jihad scene.” It says some members who belonged to the Taiba group and prayed at the mosque have moved on to a radical training camp in Uzbekistan.

    Officials could not immediately be reached for comment.

  39. moononpluto,

    Most Americans do not understand what Muslime culture is, much less have a clue about Sharia law.

    If the truth about muslim culture and practices become widespread, if people understood that the strict lifestyle, praying five times a day, having your entire life ruled by Muslim dictates on everything from dress to diet and on top of that, if US women start comprehending how Mulim women are treated, and associate all that with the lefties promoting, supporting and advocating for mulsims, that could be the end of leftists in this country.

    At least, that’s what I hope. To think that liberals.lefties would defend and promote a way of life that is so alien to Americans is baffling. I agree that while the two cultures may be able to co-exist, at least on American soil where we are tolerant, there is no way to ‘assimilate’ Muslim practices into our lifestyle. ZERO.

    It seems so strange the lefties would be trying so hard to ‘convert’ us unless some of them are closet muslims themselves.

  40. Mrs. Smith,

    I read about the German mosque closure last week. Sigh leadership everywhere but in the U.S. of A.

  41. “Muslim Leaders Considering Moving Victory Mosque?”
    ——————–

    I sure hope so. But you know that Hamas, the idiot mayor of New York, not to mention the idiot potus are going to be very disappointed.

  42. WOW! I am not a Republican but at this point the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Check this out.

    ‘Republican candidates have jumped out to a record-setting 12-point lead over Democrats on the Generic Congressional Ballot for the week ending Sunday, August 15, 2010. This is the biggest lead the GOP has held in over a decade of Rasmussen Reports surveying.’

    Hotair states that is the biggest generic lead on record.

  43. admin, great article!

    I run a couple of small businesses, and some of my regular customers are muslim, solid patriotic Americans, I cannot express how staunchly they are against this Victory Ground zero mosque, and that is what they are calling it.

    This is not a community center, this is intented to be a place of worship for people who, like the radical imam, will not say or condemn that Hamas and Hebollazh are terrorist organizations.
    This is not about religion of freedom, this is about not giving a flip to 9/11 and its victims.

    Today in Afgahn. 2 young people were stoned to death because they were accused and tried and judged to be guilty by the Talibhan, and under SHARIAH law, adultery, is to be condemned with death. 150 men surrounded these 2 young people, no trial, no defense, they were stoned to death by 150 men throwing stones at them!!!!!

    This imam that wants to build this 9/11 ground zero victory mosque believes and wants to spread Shariah law in America. HELL NO.

    so? the swimming pool, burka’s only allowed in the swimming pool?

    HELL NO.

    Admin: here is the interview from September 30th, 2001, watch around 2:22, the Imams says the quotes.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF-siWVMU00

    (sorry still don’t know how to do youtube embeds)

    This is not about freedom of religion, this is about a supremacy form of Islam, this is about a lack of respect for the victims of 9/11.

    The Imam’s interview from CBS on SEPTEMBER 30, 2001 shows everything. There are many many patriotic Americans who are muslim, the Imam and sponsors who want to build this 9/11 Ground Zero Victory mosque are not some of them.

    From the 9/30/01 interview from that Imam:

    “America is an accesory to 9/11”
    “Osama Bin Laden was made in America”

    These are not exgerrations, this is what this radical imam said, 19 freaking days after our country suffered its greatest attack, and this nutjob wants to build this radical mosque just a building’s length from 9/11??? HELL NO.

  44. “I cannot express how staunchly they are against this Victory Ground zero mosque, and that is what they are calling it.”

    ———————

    Tim,

    This is great news. These people are what I call “modern Muslims.”

  45. basil, as you know i live and work in a muslim country and when in rome, you respect the culture, you don’t have to accept and agree with it but you must respect it and thats what i do but i also know with anything there are certain beliefs within this culture and religion that are frankly baffling and so gender biased it makes you wonder what life is in the home.

    I had a conversation a while back with a real die hard muslim man regarding women, i was so angry by the time i finished. Basically it boiled down to “I am a muslim man, i don’t cook, clean or do womens work, his mantra was a woman was for housework, sex and babies, that was it, it did not matter to him if she had enjoyment out of life, she was there to please him and was a possession and i’m sorry to say thats the way most muslim men are brought up and that way of life is passed on down as the normal.

    One of the great things i’ve noticed about muslim men is the jealousy of western women and anger at western men for “parading their women” and giving them “freedom”. They want western women but cannot speak out for it for fear of alienation within the family and society. It really is a psychological schizm.

    One poor lad i know was seeing a russian girl for 5 years, deeply madly in love, when he tried to marry her and get permission, she was rejected out of hand because she was not one of “us” as they put it. he was forbidden to ever see her again as they had a illage girl for him. He ran away, is in hiding with her because he defied the family, been cut off or as they put it, “we have no son”. What kind of life is that.

    I won’t accept that kind of life within the USA, its not our way and frankly if you don’t accept the culture you live in, why bother being there.

  46. admin
    August 16th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    PM317, we really don’t like that song. So if you want it, it’s yours. 🙂
    ————–

    Thanks, admin. Can’t say I am a fan but know it to be a popular song. I thought perhaps you saw my earlier comment:

    #
    pm317
    August 16th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    LOL, Admin. I was just getting used to the idea of Muslim men dancing to the YMCA!

  47. Great info, Tim… Yes, the building of this 13 story mosque near the 9/11 site is analogous to the Japanese building a cultural center for expansion of the understanding of Oriental religions and traditions on Pearl Harbor.

  48. pm317, not in afghanistan, you get shot for listening to music as dancing and music were illegal and punishable by death under the taliban.

  49. Thanks for the inside view, Moonompluto. I wish you would post more about your experience. I have read many books about women is Muslim countries and the gender roles are so perverse, so stringent and so spiritually strangling that I cannot believe any woman in the US would willingly accept
    such treatment.

    Granted, we didn’t get the vote until the twentieth century and things are not perfect here as HRC learned in 2008 but I cannot imagine ever living as a Muslim woman.

    More stories, please.

  50. moononpluto, it was a sarcastic comment because turndownobama kept calling it a YMCA and admin wrote to shoot that argument down today.

  51. And only a couple of months ago, these cowardly Talibhan threw acid on little girls because they didn’t want these precious little girls educated. I freely admit, I almost cried watching what was done to these innocent girls.

    Makes me sick to my stomach.

  52. Obama visited near my part of the country today (Milwaukee). The local radio station in my town kept saying that Obama remains popular in Wisconsin because “they have less unemployment there”. No facts of course, just their opinion. The radio news editor obviously must be an Obamabot because they kept repeating this all day long.

    According to the AP article Obama’s new slogan for the fall campaign is “Reach for Hope” and “Don’t give in to fear.” Here is the article (mostly pro-Obama) but there are an amazing 75,000+ comments (fun to read) and the AP article was posted only 48 minutes ago!

    “Obama pleads to voters: Don’t give in to fear”
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100816/ap_on_re_us/us_obama

  53. exactly, nothing has changed within the Muslim culture since biblical times and never will change within their domains. If they think their culture will swallow us up whole; they are sadly mistaken!

  54. Tim,

    One of the ten medical charity workers murdered by the Taliban in Afgahnistan a couple of weeks ago lived in the area I cover. They are brutal, barbaric people.

    Have you read or watched the Stoning of Soraya M?

  55. Most of the comments on the AP article are anti-Obama–people are posting like wild over there–the numbers go up every few minutes.

    Take some time to read them–they are very entertaining (and so true)…

  56. tim
    August 16th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    admin, great article!

    I run a couple of small businesses, and some of my regular customers are muslim, solid patriotic Americans, I cannot express how staunchly they are against this Victory Ground zero mosque, and that is what they are calling it.
    ———————————

    Tim, ordinary Muslims here and in other places like India generally want a good life. The trouble arises when politicians and foreign influences use them like pawn to foment their own agenda. This NY mosque thing has nothing much in common with good religion, it is about political domination by a few.

    I don’t know why people do not appreciate Indian Muslims. For them it is India first and then their religion. They are the second largest in number and for most intents and purposes they are good law abiding well assimilated citizens. Sure communal riots flare up now and then but generally for those who want a good education and prosper peacefully, there is a path and they can even practice their religion to the extent that it does not infringe on the rights of the person next to them. The CEO of a major IT company WIPRO is a Muslim, and the Bollywood, film industry is full of them, and even this guy here, that guy Fareed Zakaria is from a well known Muslim family in Bombay. Many have money and the means to live a reasonably good life and they don’t dwell on their religion much. Why can’t others emulate that? You take away the money that flows into these Muslim countries and their Imams, you will rid of a whole lot of ills.

    This oped by a leading Muslim writer in India sums up how an Indian Muslim feels:

    On the day that terrorists attacked Sri Lankan cricketers, I had a previously arranged speaking engagement at a university in Delhi before largely Muslim students. I began with the suggestion that every Indian Muslim should offer a special, public prayer of thanks to the Almighty Allah for His extraordinary benevolence – for the mercy He had shown by preventing us from ending up in Pakistan in 1947. The suggestion was received with startled amusement, instinctive applause and a palpable sense of sheer relief.

    Read more: A flawed idea – The Siege Within – MJ Akbar – Opinion – Home – The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Columnists/M-J-Akbar-A-flawed-idea/articleshow/4240191.cms#ixzz0wogV8LwJ

  57. basil9
    August 16th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    No. I tried to. I could not sit through it. My wife stayed the entire time. I tried, but could not.

  58. “I don’t know why people do not appreciate Indian Muslims. For them it is India first and then their religion.”

    Yes, that’s because Indian Muslims see themselves Indian first, then muslims. The Indian Muslims fought along side with Indian Hindus and Indian Christians in India’s independence movement. The Nationalism of India binds them.

  59. I should have said, Saudi money.. You take away the Saudi money that flows into Muslim countries and their Imams like Pakistan, you will rid of a whole lot of ills.

  60. http://cordobainitiative.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/what-is-a-community-center/

    What is a Community Center?

    While some have called the Cordoba House a mosque, most people that it is being built to serve as a community center. However, some ask what does a community center entail?

    A community center, much like the YMCA (Young Men’s Christian Association) or the Jewish Community Center, is where people from any faith are allowed to use the facilities. Beyond having a gym, the Cordoba House will house a pool, restaurant, 500-person auditorium, 9/11 memorial, multi-faith chapel, office and conference space, and prayer space. After speaking extensively with the residents of lower Manhattan, we found that these were some of the most vital needs for the community.

    Beyond having a community center in its traditional form, the auditorium and conference space creates a platform for lectures and meetings that magnify voices for peace and collaboration. Also, it will house prayer space needed for Friday prayers that nearby mosques are unable to host.

    A community center is a also an ideal hub for hosting local projects that serve the greater community. All of these aspects combined affirm that Cordoba House is a community center, which serves the greater New York community

  61. moononpluto
    August 16th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
    “reach for hope” thats sooooooo 2008. I guess he thinks they are dumb enough to fall for it.

    They must be trying out that slogan to see if there is still resonance for it in 2012. I think Obama’s going to have a rude awakening on that one…

  62. They fought for independence along side Hindus but then see what happened. They wanted their own country and Pakistan was born. But in fairness, Mohammad Jinnah who wanted the partition was actually a moderate Muslim who drank alcohol and did not really practice the religion. He just used religion to get himself a country. The religion took its ugly hold in Zia Ul Huk (spelling)time, 1980s, when he poured money into Imams and Mujahadeens and created a political and religious Frankenstein monster along the way.

  63. Turndownobama:

    If, as you said that it is just a community center, and not a ground zero victory mosque, why they do not move the damn community center away from ground zero and put an end to this controversy and mae everybody happy?

  64. democrat1
    If, as you said that it is just a community center, and not a ground zero victory mosque, why they do not move the damn community center away from ground zero and put an end to this controversy and mae everybody happy?

    =================

    As I’ve cited on previous threads, the promoters have already invested in the Park Place property and are losing money on it.

    Also — how far away would they have to move the project to satisfy everybody?

  65. http://cordobainitiative.wordpress.com/2010/07/06/what-is-prayer-space/

    What is Prayer Space?

    Among the questions we have heard regarding Cordoba House is what is the definition of a prayer space, and how is that different than a mosque.

    Most practicing Muslims pray five times a day, at set times. While some Muslims do their prayers in a mosque, most pray where they are, whether at work, school, or home. Much like other faiths, they have a house of worship, but prayers can take place anywhere.

    Prayer space does not signify a mosque. Certain aspects of Cordoba House disqualifies it as a mosque, including space for musical performance or a restaurant, which are not allowed to be in a mosque. However, additional prayer is necessary as the existing nearby mosques are no longer able to tend to the need for prayer space.

    Furthermore, Cordoba House’s vision is bigger than being a mosque. It is about creating a community center that serves all New Yorkers. A prime example of this fact is the planned meditation room, where people of any faith can pray or meditate. For all these reasons we believe it is imperative to have prayer space in the Cordoba House.

  66. the fact that they didn’t even consider that this might upset the memory of 9/11, and then to call the opponents bigots and racists is just stunning to me.

    This is no community center, this a Mosque.

    And sensitive? what the hell about sensitivity to American values?? What about sensisivity to the pain of 9/11 vicitms??

    Respect is a 2 way streak!

  67. admin
    August 16th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    PM317, we really don’t like that song. So if you want it, it’s yours. 🙂 Have another one (which we don’t particularly care for either):

    ——–
    Macho man 😆
    These guys are the last thing this straight woman thinks of as a ‘macho man’.
    Ick!

  68. mop

    Something tells me i think we’ve hit a tipping point and Obama and Obama tipped the bucket of shit right over the dems.

    ————–
    The fraud has been dumping shit over them since 2008, they have just begun to realize it.
    Let it all hit the fan………………

  69. Turndownobama,

    What you don’t understand is the nature of Islam as a religion. This religion is neither tolerant nor peaceful. There is no reason to accommodate them. Legally, they are entitled to do every crazy thing that they want to do but that doesn’t mean that Americans should just shut up and take it. The goal of Islam is domination. Islam, contrary to the propaganda of the Islamists doesn’t mean peace, it means submission. It is the goal of Islam to subjugate all others and for all others to submit to it.

    The Cordoba house will be seen by Islamists as a victory over the infidel. If for only this, we should ALL oppose it. We should never let them have even a semblance of victory.

  70. Bill Clinton boosts Kendrick Meek, encourages Democrats

    By Anthony Man August 16, 2010 07:05 PMFormer President Bill Clinton on Monday bucked up Palm Beach County Democrats on Monday, urging them not to be discouraged by all the talk that the 2010 elections will be bad for their party.

    He delivered the pitch for Democrats, along with an impassioned endorsement for U.S. Senate candidate Kendrick Meek, at the first in a series of
    Clinton-Meek events in South Florida.

    Clinton spoke for 26 minutes. Much of the speech was a wonky policy review of the stimulus package and the health care overhaul law and benefits he believes it will provide.

    At the 20 minute mark, many of the people who’d waited for an hour outside and a couple of hours inside started streaming out of the sweltering gymnasium at Pompey Park in Delray Beach.

    Because of the still struggling economy, Clinton acknowledged “this is supposed to be a tough year for Democrats.” He cautioned that electing Republicans would be a mistake because “they want to do all over again what got us in the mess in the first place.

    “If you’re a Democrat, you need to hold your head up. I’m tired of reading about how we’re all bellyaching,” Clinton said.

    “I know a lot of people are mad, and a lot of people are frustrated,” he said.

    Clinton said voters typically turns to Democrats when the country is in trouble. He said they shouldn’t turn to Republicans now because his party is only beginning to make repairs to problems created by Republican control of the presidency and Congress.

    Clinton interspersed his speech with occasional references to Meek, whom he described as “a very close friend of Hillary’s and mine.” He said the reason local voters were “stuck” with him and not his wife is that U.S. law prohibits the secretary of state participating in political campaigns.

    But, he said, he got a call late Sunday night “telling me I’d better give a good speech for Kendrick down here today.”

    “Look, I love Kendrick Meek,” he said. “I also believe in my heart that he should be the next United States senator from Florida….

    “We don’t need ideologues in the Congress. We need people who actually look at the evidence, and think in practical terms. Look at what this guy has already done,” Clinton said, citing Meek’s work on combating home mortgage fraud, opposing offshore oil drilling, and aiding Haiti. “He’s the only person you can vote for who’s actually gotten anything done in Washington.”

    And, Clinton said, “He hasn’t been there long enough to be too messed up by all the craziness in Washington.”

    Clinton spent most of his time telling the crowd that Meek would be better than Republicans. He barely acknowledged Meek’s primary opponent, Jeff Greene, and didn’t mention his name.

    “In the primary, he’s got an opponent who’s got more money than he does,” Clinton said. “One guy’s delivered for you. One guy’s got more money, run more ads.”

    “We have enough talkers. We need the doers

  71. Did anyone just hear Debra Burlingame (brother was one of the pilots killed that day), on Hannity talking about the Mosque and the a-holde religious leader that is trying to build it? Something about when Islam conquers something, they build a mosque on those very grounds.

    ^%$%*%6#@$#%$!!!!

  72. Imagine this:

    Gates has announced he will retire in spring. Hillary announces she will too. They pair up, she as the top of the ticket for 2012. She wins and goes after the Pakistanis to straighten their ISI, the Haqqani network and miraculously the Taliban/Al Queda leadership is killed and the rest of them surrender and are history. Progress in Afghanistan will happen peacefully. The troops withdraw and end of story.

    If my blood boils hearing Taliban’s atrocities, I am sure hers does 100 times more and she CAN do something about it. There are no good Taliban like that pompous axxhole Holbrooke says and she knows that.

  73. Turndown Obama:

    Governor Patterson graciously offered them government land elsewhere in Manhattan and if they are genuine about their intentions, they should accept it. They can sell the present land or if necessary we can all collect donations to buy this land from them. I am sure many well meaning citizens of this country will gladly contribute in gratitude for moving the mosque from this hollowed ground.

  74. democrat1
    Governor Patterson graciously offered them government land elsewhere in Manhattan and if they are genuine about their intentions, they should accept it. They can sell the present land or if necessary we can all collect donations to buy this land from them.

    ================

    Might be a good approach. I haven’t read the story of them refusing Paterson’s offer. Anyway, opponents buying the property would be a more constructive approach than $8,000 for ads on buses which WOULD re-open 9/11 wounds for EVERYONE.

    Not that $8,000 would go very far. Here’s detail:

    Soho Properties has paid some $5 million in cash to buy the Burlington Coat Factory building, a building that yields no income. They are paying rent [$33,000/yr] to hold rights to the Con Ed building, which also yields no income.
    frumforum.com/is-the-911-mosque-a-publicity-stunt

  75. This was posted by Dances over at PUMApac, the little video is awesome.

    Exclusive Tour of World Trade Center Site

    http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/sept_11/exclusive-tour-of-world-trade-center-site-20100726

    September 11, 2010, will mark nine years since the terror attacks on New York City, the Pentagon and Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

    Ahead of the somber anniversary, Good Day New York co-host Rosanna Scotto was given an exclusive tour of the World Trade Center site where the National September 11 Memorial & Museum, 1 World Trade Center and the World Trade Center transportation hub are under construction.

  76. That rotten scoundrel Bill Clinton. 🙂 Everyone eventually loves him. Chris Ruddy who worked for Scaife and hated Bill and Hillary:

    http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/bill-clinton-visits-newsmax-ruddy-meek-democrats-florida/2010/08/16/id/367634

    Former President Bill Clinton took a break from his busy schedule in South Florida Monday to visit Newsmax Media and its founder and CEO, Christopher Ruddy. Clinton was in the area while making several stops to support Democratic candidates.

    Clinton toured Newsmax’s headquarters in West Palm Beach, Fla., and had a private meeting with Ruddy. Later, he posed for photographs with Newsmax staff.

    “It is wonderful seeing you all,” the affable Clinton said to the staff, who was dressed casually and clearly enjoyed himself as he shook hands, walking around the office and chatting with employees.

    Later, Clinton was the focal point of a group photo in the Newsmax lobby. “What a great group of people you have here,” the president said.

    The president and Ruddy have become friends over the past several few years, with both sharing Clinton’s passion for the causes that his Clinton Foundation supports. The foundation focuses on poverty alleviation and health services in the United States and globally.

    I am a great admirer of President Clinton,” Ruddy said. “He has not only redefined the post-presidency, but has served as an exemplary goodwill ambassador for our country throughout the whole world. His efforts transcend politics and deserve support.”

    Newsmax Media was founded in 1998 and is one of the largest independent news publishers on the Internet. It offers a onservative perspective, but also covers the areas of health, finance and world news.

  77. “But Obama did say that if the group does proceed with that decision, we must respect that decision, in accordance with American values.”

    ohh boy. If this Sargent guy was negotiating a contract with Obama, he’d end up losing his house, his first-born, his soul and his vital organs. This is the art of the screw, the screwee signs a paper he thinks says one thing, then the screwor takes him to court and proves it says something totally different. All Obama actually said was that theoretically, the sky is blue.

    I don’t think we need to drug test this Sargent guy. He’s obviously on dope.

    This guy at Daily Caller pins the tail on the jackass:

    “The president will engineer a high-profile diplomatic dispute over Israel building homes in a Jewish neighborhood in Jerusalem, but he won’t comment on the wisdom of building a mosque two blocks away from a place he calls “hallowed ground.”

  78. admin @ 1:46 quotes Newsmax Media founder/CEO Christopher Ruddy: I am a great admirer of President Clinton,” Ruddy said. “He has not only redefined the post-presidency, but has served as an exemplary goodwill ambassador for our country throughout the whole world. His efforts transcend politics and deserve support.”
    ———————————–
    I would go further back than any’ post-presidency’ era to say that [sitting President] Bill Clinton did serve as an exemplary goodwill ambassador for our country throughout the whole world. His efforts transcended politics….

    When Bill left office, I was convinced that he had shown the world the way to settle differences through conversations, negotiations. I felt that wars would be less and less. Naive beyond belief, I was. Then the mockeries of GWB, his college cheerleader experience allowing him looking good behind that megaphone at Ground Zero; the expectation that we would believe his absence from the military was to help a candidate with his campaign. And all the rest of the crap that has followed the travesty of GWB.

  79. When Bill left office, I was convinced that he had shown the world the way to settle differences through conversations, negotiations.

    ——————–

    And he’d shown the US the way to balance the budget and pay off the national debt.

  80. so now, anyone who opposes the mosque are like the terrorists. I’ve heard it all now.

    On today’s Morning Joe, Norah O’Donnell opened her big fat trap and stuck her foot in it.

    NORAH O’DONNELL: I think this makes Democrats uncomfortable to talk about it. But they may be, the President and Bloomberg, may be–I say may be–standing in political concrete, as Pat [Buchanan] suggests, with some independent voters who may be key in this election. But I think there’s a question about whether what Pres. Obama said and President [sic] Bloomberg said were at least the right thing to do. And when do we stop praising politicians for doing what is right just because it’s not politically expedient? I thought the reason everybody’s groaning all the time about our politicians is because they’re such hacks and nobody stands up for what’s right. Who cares about the concrete? Somebody’s got to say that we’re not going to act like the people who stole freedom from Americans, the people who attacked America and killed 3,000 people.

    ……………………….

    I wonder is terrorism the new race card.

  81. Just in : Rassmussen

    In Ohio, Republican Rob Portman has opened an eight-point lead in his effort to become the Buckeye State’s next U.S. Senator. With this result, Ohio moves from Toss-Up to Leans Republican in the Rasmussen Reports Election 2010 Balance of Power summary.

    details later.

  82. correction-

    turndown:

    “And he’d shown the US the way to balance the budget and pay off the national debt.”
    _______________________________

    No- As I’ve said before. Bill Clinton showed the World we can live in harmony. The Roosevelt “Chicken in Every Pot” writ large for eight years of Peace and Prosperity not only for the middle class but for everyone including the elites. The first time ever leaving US finances with a surplus.

  83. confloyd, i hope not, it will play right into Bobo’s hands and give him the cover he needs to attack israel, however it might also show him up for what he is, useless.

  84. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/ohio/election_2010_ohio_senate

    The latest Rasmussen Reports statewide telephone survey of Likely Voters in Ohio shows Republican Rob Portman picking up 45% support, while his Democratic opponent, Lieutenant Governor Lee Fisher, earns the vote from 37%. Five percent (5%) prefer a different candidate, and 13% are undecided.

    When leaners are included in the new totals, Portman’s lead grows from eight points to nine. With the leaners, 48% will vote for Portman and 39% for Fisher.
    This is the first Rasmussen Reports Election 2010 survey in Ohio to include leaners. Leaners are those who initially indicate no preference for either of the candidates but answer a follow-up question and say they are leaning towards a particular candidate.
    Early in any campaign, the numbers without leaners are generally more significant. Later in a campaign, the numbers with leaners matter more. After Labor Day, Rasmussen Reports will report the numbers with leaners as the primary indicators of the campaign

  85. Democrats: We were blindsided by President Obama’s Ground Zero mosque comments

    WASHINGTON – Democrats complain they were blindsided when President Obama weighed in on the Ground Zero mosque and handed the GOP a new club to beat them with.

    Capitol Hill Democrats, including those facing tough races, were not told in advance before Obama’s Friday night speech defending Muslims’ rights to build a mosque in lower Manhattan.

    While Mayor Bloomberg knew ahead of time what Obama intended to say at the Ramadan dinner at the White House, New York Democratic Sens. Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand were kept in the dark, sources said.

    So was Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who dramatically broke with Obama on the mosque Monday.

    Several Democratic campaign operatives complained that without a heads-up, they did not have the time to war-game how to handle questions from the news media or GOP attacks.

    “They did the right thing – they just didn’t do it the right way,” lamented another Democratic source.

    White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel has spent three days on the phone doing damage control with angry Democrats and urging them not to go public against the President, Democratic sources said.

    Obama went ahead with the Ramadan dinner remarks even though his top political advisers had not reached a consensus on what he should do. Emanuel was one of the skeptics.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/08/17/2010-08-17_surprised_pols_call_obama_a_party_pooper.html#ixzz0ws5qzC6I

    ……………………………………………………….

    as expected Obama thinks he is in it all by himself, he has no regard for anyone else and that in a leader is dangerous.

  86. Moononpluto

    I guess I don’t think you can lead based on the consensus of your staff. A true leader, however, must have a gut feeling on when to speak on a controversal issue, and when to keep quiet.

    O has made a hornets nest about of a very controveral issue, that he really did not need to speak out about. As a result, his impact on the people running in November could be significant. It will be interesting to see if this issue continues, or the journalists people bury it, having used it as a smoke screen to cover other issues.

  87. NMF, a true leader gathers information and asks, thinks, involves, gets valued opinion but decides the course, Obama i bet does not even do that, its really all about him, he dictates and shoots off without thinking. We’re seeing this in action, the power has gone to his head, he thinks he’s unstoppable.

  88. White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel has spent three days on the phone doing damage control with angry Democrats…

    ………………………

    Thats a whole lot of swearing, profanity and thuggery right there. God help anyone on the end of one of those phonecalls or did they just get a horses head in the bed.

  89. moononpluto

    I always looks to me that O rarely takes advice or learns from his mistakes, another sign of a bad leader.

  90. basil9
    August 16th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
    Thanks for the inside view, Moonompluto. I wish you would post more about your experience. I have read many books about women is Muslim countries and the gender roles are so perverse, so stringent and so spiritually strangling that I cannot believe any woman in the US would willingly accept
    such treatment.

    Granted, we didn’t get the vote until the twentieth century and things are not perfect here as HRC learned in 2008 but I cannot imagine ever living as a Muslim woman.

    More stories, please.

    **********************************************************

    I posted this yesterday but should have given a bit more info so when you have a moment you would check out this powerful Powerpoint presentation of women and the burka

    …this is called “The Canvas Prison”

    w w w youtube.com/watch?v=ojBrzUil0Ig

    the pictures are sad and unbelievable in the 21st century…

    if you want to see how muslim women are treated…take a look a this presentation

    …also please note this article below from about one year ago:

    In battle of the burqa, Obama and Sarkozy differ

    csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2009/0623/p02s20-usfp.html

    O quote:

    In his Cairo speech to the Muslim world earlier this month, Mr. Obama called on Western countries “to avoid dictating what clothes a Muslim women should wear,” saying such action constituted “hostility” towards religion clothed in “the pretense of liberalism.”

    ********************************

    O is simply a disgrace…

  91. The Curious Case of Barack Obama’s Fading Presidency
    By David Poff

    Even before I saw this Politico piece I was planning to point out how odd it is that Obama keeps picking the wrong side of all the major issues of the day.

    Seventy percent favor Arizona’s immigration law so Obama calls in the DOJ dogs to take the State to Court. Sixty percent favor repeal of healthcare reform so Obama takes a victory lap around the country, with a hand out for donor dollars, telling us we’re just afraid of what we don’t understand (and, of course, gives us the obligatory “the GOP is nothing but a bunch of fear mongers” speech).

    Nearly 70% are opposed to the ground zero mosque…heck, even within his OWN party there is a deepening chasm…and what does the leader of both the free world AND the not-going-to-be-in-charge-much-longer party do? He steps in it with both feet, speaking out in support of the mosque when (as the WaPo rightly points out) he never really had to even open his mouth on the matter.

    Sixty five percent of us are angry at the Federal Government, so what does Obama do? He changes the bloody subject in the National dialog and picks a fight with the GOP over Social Security…an issue his first term hasn’t even mentioned so far, and one he’s had no intention of trying to address as he spends the country willy nilly into the abyss of economic collapse.

    Rasmussen has him at nearly 60% disapprove, and it all sorta makes sense. He seems more interested in being President of (and choosing sides with) the least among us…that 30-40% of us out there that go along with any old thing he says and does, paying little to no attention to the mid and long term effects of his ineptitude.

    It’s no wonder then that even Politico’s Roger Simon (not the smart one mind you, but the one who gets bitterly drunk and writes straw man articles about how people who oppose the mosque are equivalent to slaveowners and segregationists) sees Obama’s as a one-term Presidency.

  92. “The Curious Case of Barack Obama’s Fading Presidency
    By David Poff”
    ——————–

    I love this title. It would make a great B-movie.

  93. a good recap of the traffic debacle O caused to pick up $1M in LA (frankly $1M from the Hollywood crowd is not that much – a lot of biggies weren’t even there)(calling Bill Clinton?)

    …during RUSH HOUR in LA

    Could O be any more out of touch with the struggling, working people in our country?

    jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2010/08/can-he-really-think-hes-more-important.html

    (the photo posted with O’s nose way up in the air just about says it all)

    ‘Can He Really Think He’s More Important Than the Tens of Thousands of People Trying to Get Home to Their Families?’

    Does Obama think he’s more important that the little people? Does anyone even need to ask that question? The hero of the working people showed up in LA Monday to grab some cash from Hollywood fatcats and with his usual impeccable timing did so at rush hour.

    Despite inconveniencing anyone wanting to drive, the LA Times spins wildly.
    With a quick visit to Los Angeles at rush hour, President Obama raised $1 million Monday for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

    He also alienated some Angelenos, at least temporarily, as his motorcade mangled evening traffic en route from the Beverly Hilton to the Hancock Park home of producer John Wells, whose credits include “West Wing,” “ER” and “Southland.”

    Onlookers lined Olympic Boulevard, snapping cellphone photos. One person held a small sign declaring, “We need jobs.”

    Although it was a ‘friendly crowd’, the street closures snared not just vehicles but pedestrians — if calls, e-mails and posts to The Times’ website were any guide.
    So the Times apparently was inundated by e-mails, calls and posts, yet it was a friendly crowd that was stuck in their vehicles?

    Sure.

    “I was an Obama supporter, but … was stopped by police from crossing Olympic to get home … during my daily dog walk,” Amy Christine said on the website. “I’ve lost all belief in his judgment. Can he really think he’s more important than the tens of thousands of people trying to get home to their families?”
    They said if John McCain was elected people would be stopped randomly while walking their dogs…
    The Los Angeles Police Department said that it had received several calls from people about the traffic and that the Secret Service had not shared street-closure information with the department.

    Immigration rights supporters demonstrated in Hancock Park dressed in costumes from “The Wizard of Oz.” Their signs asked, “Obama, where is the reform?”

    Despite the anger and frustration in the streets, the atmosphere inside the fundraiser was ‘relaxed’.
    So wait a minute. There was anger and frustration in the streets, but it was a friendly crowd? Man, I’d hate to see what an unfriendly crowd looked like.

    Meanwhile, things were even friendlier with the beautiful people.
    The president strode to the microphone in the cool of the setting sun, amid a garden of lemon trees, a manicured lawn and a long aquamarine pool.

    “What a spectacular evening,” Obama said. “Let’s just hang out.”

    Let’s just hang out. That pretty much symbolizes his presidency. He’d rather hang out, be it with athletes, movie stars or on one of his myriad vacations. He wants to play president, but not really do anything.

    About 200 people attended, including Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D- San Francisco), J.J. Abrams, Judd Apatow, Taye Diggs and his wife, Tony Award winner Idina Menzel.

    The entry fee was $2,500, but co-hosts — including Abrams, Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey and Marilyn Katzenberg, and Barbra Streisand — paid $30,400 a couple. They didn’t all attend, however. (Streisand and Katzenburg, co-hosts, did not attend)

    Obama told the crowd that he and congressional Democrats, through the economic stimulus measure, had “made the biggest investments in clean energy in our history — building solar panels and wind turbines and advanced batteries.”

    Oh yeah, clean energy. A lot of good that does while tying up LA traffic during rush hour.

    Obama will move on to Washington state to hang out some more today.
    Barack Obama is scheduled to arrive in Seattle Tuesday for his first visit as president, part of a three-day, five-state blitz to raise money for Democrats heading into the fall elections.

    Poor thing will be exhausted after that five-state blitz. Oh well, he’ll have 10 days of golf, ice cream and staged photo-ops on Martha’s Vineyard to unwind before getting back to doing what he does best: hang out.

    Update: When you’ve lost the HuffPosters…

    It took my wife an hour and half to make the two mile commute home Monday, after the secret service closed some of LA’s busiest streets at rush hour to shuttle the president from his Beverly Hills hotel to a fundraiser for Congress hosted by the producer of West Wing.

    As the White House tweeted about Potus meeting the Hollywood West Wingers, LA’s usually-snarled Westside traffic stood still. Moms and dads couldn’t get home. Child care providers raked in the after-hour penalties. The liberals once flooded with hope had nothing but road rage for their inconsiderate president, as they tuned in their car radio to find he was keeping them from their families to raise big bucks for a Congress, which has an approval rating only slightly north of Al Qaeda
    But remember, it was a friendly crowd.

    Update: Here’s a sampling of some really “friendly” comments.

    I am outraged that the president has chosen rush hour to travel through LA, and that law enforcement has not adequately routed traffic elsewhere. Obama has single handedly alienated hundreds of thousands of voters leaving them stranded for hours, unable to get in my case a few blocks. I finally left my car illegally parked in a permit only neighborhood just to get home. If I get a ticket, I will most certainly contest it. It’s very hard to understand the total lack of respect for the working class here.

    That’s it, I’m done. I even voted for him, but now I’m convinced that I’ll vote for anyone but him in the next election. If this is how he handles something as mundane as a visit to Los Angeles, I have zero confidence in his and his team’s ability to navigate the complex issues facing the country today. Who’s the incompetent who figured it was OK to shut down Santa Monica and Olympic during rush hour? And how about the radio traffic reporters who said that they couldn’t tell listeners which streets were closed because of “security.” Someone should lose their job over this…in addition to Obama in 2012.

    A million people can’t get home tonight, and for what? So a tiny group of fundraisers can kiss Obama’s butt for a few minutes? Tonight Angelenos learn what this President thinks of them. We are all nowhere near as important, trying to get home to our kids from our jobs, as the President’s fundraiser.

    This isn’t the first time it’s happened either, but by far the worst. When he was here for Boxer’s thing a few months back that was a traffic disaster as well. He really needs to stay the hell out of this city unless he can take his chopper to the event.

    My, how friendly.

    ******************************************************************

    …trouble in paradise!

  94. ADMIN…with his nose way up in the air…this is it:

    “What a spectacular evening,” Obama said. “Let’s just hang out.”

    Let’s just hang out. That pretty much symbolizes his presidency. He’d rather hang out, be it with athletes, movie stars or on one of his myriad vacations. He wants to play president, but not really do anything.

    ***********************************************************************

    find your own jobs, suckers! just keep the money coming my way so I can funnel it anywhere I choose…

  95. I don’t think Bolton is an idiot but he certainly isn’t helping matters. Does he really think that Israel doesn’t know the consequences, hasn’t gathered the intelligence and already made contingency plans?

    Oy vey!

  96. JanH-

    I’ve always seen John Bolton as an instigator of generally inflammatory language for purposes unknown to us. I’ve never liked him because he doesn’t look out for the best interests of our country. Unless you actually believe Bolton isn’t trying to spur an argument between US an Russia? I know you disagree with my opine concerning Russia, Jan. As hard as it may be for you to believe, Russia is working with us NOT against us. Confidence in my original opinion has only deepened as time has gone by… sorry, if you still do not see my pov.

  97. You know some good could come out of this Muslin “cultural center vs mosque” – I personally don’t give a hoot what it is, mosque or culture center, the culture supports stoning women to death, beheading women, and most horrible of all spreading little 5 year old girls legs apart and mutilating their most private parts – telling them, in no uncertain terms, that their bodies are not theirs.

    The good that could come is that we fight to get the equal rights amendment passed. And let them all know that we are doing it in direct opposition to sharia law.

  98. Jan H. the author of that article you posted about Hillary is juvenile and unprofessional. It’s no surprise it’s from an ultra conservative website.

  99. Mrs. Smith
    August 17th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    —————–
    I’m not a fan of Bolton either. As far as Russia goes, if they are working with us, in spite of obama’s continued mistakes, then we are very lucky.

  100. Betty,

    That’s like saying the Christian culture “supports” withholding contraception from rape victims and other bad things that SOME Christians do.

    Just as there are millions of sane, moderate Christians, there are millions of sane, moderate Muslims. But by lumping all Muslims together, we’re pushing more of the good Muslims toward the extremist side.

  101. Correlation or causation?
    ————————–

    BARBARA STREISAND SKIPS OBAMA FUNDRAISER
    By PATRICK GAVIN | 8/17/10 8:39 AM EDT

    Barbra Streisand and Jeffrey Katzenberg were no-shows at a Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee fundraiser the two were to co-host Monday night at the Los Angeles home of television producer John Wells.

    President Obama spoke at the event, and other co-hosts included Steven Spielberg and J.J. Abrams.

    Other notables in the crowd, according to wire reports, included Judd Apatow, Labor Secretary Hilda Solis and Reps. Howard Berman, Brad Sherman, Judy Chu and Laura Richardson.

    The price to be a co-host was $30,400 per couple, which included a photo with Obama — though POTUS said photo ops weren’t the point of the evening.

    “I hope you understand why we’re here tonight,” said Obama. “It’s not to take a picture with the president. We’re here to make sure those who took the tough votes are rewarded.”

  102. John C. Wells (born 1939), British linguist, phonetician and Esperantist
    ———————————————————————–
    Hosted the above fundraiser/

    Notice the tag line Esperantist

    Same church as Soros–an avowed atheist

    More citizen of the world crap.

  103. turndownobama
    August 17th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Just as there are millions of sane, moderate Christians, there are millions of sane, moderate Muslims. But by lumping all Muslims together, we’re pushing more of the good Muslims toward the extremist side.

    ______________________________________________________________________________________________________

    turndownobama,

    this betrays your ignorance about Islam. Do you think that Islam was hijacked by the extremists? Do you think that the core of Islam is good? Do you think that the terrorists got Islam wrong?

    Truth is, the islamic terrorists has the most accurate knowledge of what Islam really is.

    Your analogy is wrong, the bible is silent about contraception. On the other hand, the Quran is filled with hate all of which have abrogated the few peaceful verses in the Quran.

  104. Until the world puts the structures in place for a global polity there is no such thing as a citizen of the world. The word citizen is defined by reference to some definable global polity which does not exist. At one time this was done under the pretext of federal common law which the majority on the Supreme circ 1900 found congenial to the protection of property rights and embraced accordingly. Holmes then in the minority said this: the common law is not some brooding omnipresence in the sky but the articulate voice of some sovereign or quasi sovereign which can be identified. As you can see, given the choice between sovereignty and airy rhetoric he came down on the side of sovereignty. Since the Treaty of Westpalia that has been and continues to be coin of the realm. Let them speak esperanta or some other gibberish in the rubber room. In the real world english is lingua franca, just as in spanish settled countries it is spanish. No surprise that.

  105. I appreciated the video that the admin posted by Raheel Raza. I love the way she spoke of “liberals” which was a surprise since I would not have expected her to use the terminology. The only problem with her excellent answer was the following…

    Raheel Raza said, “we should be very sensitive towards people of other faiths, especially when we are living in lands that are not Muslim lands”,…. Being sensitive to other faiths should have nothing to do with if you are within or not within “Muslim lands”. When I heard that comment, I played it over again a couple of times because I needed to make sure that I heard her correctly. Even Raheel, who I would probably define as a moderate Muslim, seems to be saying that if you are in a predominately Muslim land, then don’t expect equal treatment to a Muslim or sensitivity from a Muslim if you are a non-Muslim. This goes back to the dhimmi belief that is a core belief in Islam, and even Raheel inarticulately touched on it with her statement. So, if even a seemingly levelheaded and moderate Muslim makes statements as such, then even moderate Islam is a danger to non-Muslims. Muslims need to come out and say that we are all equal regardless of our religious beliefs or lack of religious belief. I am a Christian. I may believe that my religion is the correct path, and disagree with other religion’s beliefs, but I would not view someone of a different faith as being someone who doesn’t deserve any opportunities that are afforded me because they are of a different faith.

    I have serious issues with Islam, but yet even I acknowledge that Islam is protected under the American Constitution, and that as such, they have the right to pratice their religion, and the right to build their houses of worship. I don’t see the reciprocation of this belief coming from Muslims in Muslim lands with regards to Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. having the right to practice their faiths without intimidation or oppression, or the right to build houses of worship. I have major concerns with a religion like Islam in which even moderates within Islam cannot forcefully defend the rights of non-Muslims to practice their faiths without fear of negative reactions from Muslims. In other words, the concept of dhimmism should be removed from the context of Islam in order to show the world that Muslims respect those of differing beliefs.

  106. #
    moononpluto
    August 17th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel has spent three days on the phone doing damage control with angry Democrats…

    ………………………

    Thats a whole lot of swearing, profanity and thuggery right there. God help anyone on the end of one of those phonecalls or did they just get a horses head in the bed.
    ——

    Ah, yes. And don’t forget the nude madman in the showers of congress…

  107. Do you think that the terrorists got Islam wrong?

    ==================

    That’s what many Muslims said in 2001. They said the terrorists were blaspheming Allah.

  108. #
    Betty
    August 17th, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    You know some good could come out of this Muslin “cultural center vs mosque” – I personally don’t give a hoot what it is, mosque or culture center, the culture supports stoning women to death, beheading women, and most horrible of all spreading little 5 year old girls legs apart and mutilating their most private parts – telling them, in no uncertain terms, that their bodies are not theirs.

    The good that could come is that we fight to get the equal rights amendment passed. And let them all know that we are doing it in direct opposition to sharia law.

    ———-
    We can’t even get the ERA passed to give women equal rights in this country, too many right wingers derail it over false accusations that it will desegregate bathrooms for men and women, or that it has something to do with abortion. If women and men don’t have the guts to make women equal in our country, how can we do much to keep women from being controlled, mutilated and murdered in the muslin faith?

    There are good people in every faith, but I have NO respect for the faith or people that mistreat it’s ‘weaker’ people. Women need to learn to fight back, stand up for themselves and seek support of others that don’t abuse them.

  109. The mention of Newsmax above was interesting. I respect the work that they do, and that respecct has come only during the last couple of years. It’s nice to read that Ruddy and Bill are respectful of each other at this time.

  110. Will Isreal strike in 3 days???????

    ———

    In an interview with Fox Business Network earlier Tuesday Bolton had said the deadline was eight days, but he revised it to three in the Israel Radio interview, saying Iran and Russia had announced they would begin fueling on Friday.

    “It has always been optimal that military force is used before the fuel rods are inserted,” Bolton explained. “That’s what Israel did in Osirak in 1991, and when they attacked the North Korean reactor built in Syria.” Israel bombed the Osirak nuclear reactor in Iraq in 1981, and a Syrian reactor in 2007.

    However Bolton didn’t see any indication that an Israeli strike was going to happen. “Obviously if Israel were going to do something it wouldn’t exactly be advertising it. But time is short.”

    Bolton said that it would be “a much more dangerous world” if Iran were to gain nuclear capability. “That’s why I think it’s so critical. It won’t stop with Iran. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey, perhaps other states as well.”

    Iranian nuclear chief Ali Akbar Salehi said earlier Tuesday that an attack on Iranian nuclear facilities would be an “international crime.”

    In an interview with IRNA, Salehi said that the impact of such a strike would be global. “This is stipulated in the resolutions passed by the IAEA and the UN Security Council as well as in the resolution adopted at the close of the NPT Review Conference,” he stressed.

    Russia, who is supplying the uranium fuel for the plant, announced last week that they will begin loading the Bushehr reactor on August 21.

    In an initial interview earlier today with Fox Business Network earlier Tuesday, Bolton warned that once the Bushehr facility is operational it will be too late for a military air strike against Iran because such an attack would spread radiation and harm Iranian civilians.

    “Once that uranium, once those fuel rods are very close to the reactor, certainly once they’re in the reactor, attacking it means a release of radiation, no question about it,” Bolton said.

    “Iran will achieve something that no other opponent of Israel, no other enemy of the United States in the Middle East really has and that is a functioning nuclear reactor.”

    http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=185060

    (Top headline on Drudge, re:confloyd too)

  111. rickya,

    It doesn’t matter what’s ‘really’ in the Bible or in the Koran. What matters is what CURRENT DAY Muslims and Christians act on.

    Both religions have many sub-groups which disagree with each other: snake handlers and Jim Jones and the Waco nuts among Christians — various terrorist groups among Muslims. Imo we need to look to the moderate, sane people in both religions.

  112. Here’s what some of the guys actually fighting the war on terrorists had to say about the whole thing:

    A retired general and a former Bush Administration official harshly criticized efforts to block the building of a mosque in lower Manhattan, contending such a position is unconstitutional and could harm U.S. relations overseas.
    Major General Paul Eaton, a retired Army commander who oversaw the training of Iraqi troops following the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and Lawrence Wilkerson, a retired Army colonel and former chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, both slammed right-wing opposition to the Mosque.

    “What we are seeing out of the Republican Party here is just appalling,” Eaton told me Monday. “From a constitutional perspective, from a common sense perspective and from a military perspective.”

    Both men also pointed to a detrimental impact such opposition can have on U.S. relations overseas with Islamic countries, and even put U.S. military men and women at risk.

    “It is like offering your opponent two or three whips with which to beat you,” said Wilkerson. “The impact on our military people would be injurious if we say ‘no.’ It would put another instrument in the hands of those who want to exploit the fear that Americans are at war with Islam and not the radical elements within it.”

    Eaton echoed that view, noting: “It is a slap in the face to a great many people we wish to have as allies. We are trying to make allies of our colleagues in Iraq and Afghanistan and this is not helpful.”

    He also added, “This is unhelpful to the American fighting men and women and counter to the image we wish to portray in Afghanistan and Iraq.”

    mediamatters.org/strupp/201008160044

  113. “I was an Obama supporter, but … was stopped by police from crossing Olympic to get home … during my daily dog walk,” Amy Christine said on the website. “I’ve lost all belief in his judgment. Can he really think he’s more important than the tens of thousands of people trying to get home to their families?”

    —————-

    The reality is worse. These people quoted were previously ‘friendly’ to Obama, meaning they voted for him. IE they were Bots. So now even these Bots were angry with him and losing confidence in him.

  114. Obama, the one-term president

    Q: Will Barack Obama be a one-term president?

    A: Yes, he might last that long.

    Honest to goodness, the man just does not get it. He might be forced to pull a Palin and resign before his first term is over. He could go off and write his memoirs and build his presidential library. (Both would be half-size, of course.)

    I am not saying Obama is not smart; he is as smart as a whip, (No he isn’t you jackass!). I am just saying he does not understand what savvy first-term presidents need to understand:

    You have to stay on message, follow the polls, listen to your advisers (who are writing the message and taking the polls) and realize that when it comes to doing what is right versus doing what is expedient, you do what is expedient so that you can get reelected and do what is right in the second term. If at all possible. And it will help your legacy. And not endanger the election of others in your party. And not hurt the brand. Or upset people too much.

    [snip]

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41134.html#ixzz0wt7pL8Ye

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41134.html#ixzz0wt7hCSxq

  115. Words coming from non-Muslims who support Islam don’t carry much water. The writer of such words is putting blind faith in a religion that does not encourage honesty.

    Islam is a religion that encourages lying for expediency. Taqiyya is lying for the sake of Allah. How can anything that comes from a Muslim’s lips be taken as truth when Islam promotes taqiyya? It makes trust that much more difficult between Muslims and non-Muslims. It also makes those believe every Muslim statement as a moral fact look foolish.

  116. mj said:
    [ Military people said: ]
    ” It would put another instrument in the hands of those who want to exploit the fear that Americans are at war with Islam and not the radical elements within it.”

    —————–

    And op-eds and blog posts that condemn ALL Islam are also harmful. (Or those that single out only a few Muslims to be spared condemnation and only if they pass very strict Shibboleths.)

  117. Can he really think he’s more important than the tens of thousands of people trying to get home to their families?
    —————————–
    His campaign message answered that one along time ago, and so did Maria Shriver on behalf of the elites: “Yes he can!”

  118. August 17, 2010

    Clinton invites columnists to lunch

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is hosting a private lunch with columnists at the State Department today, POLITICO has learned.

    Clinton is hosting the off-the-record lunch on the State Department’s seventh floor, a State Department official confirmed to POLITICO. Asked what the topic of conversation was, he said a “tour d’horizon.”

    We weren’t given a full list but were led to believe that among those invited are The Washington Post’s David Ignatius and Robert Kagan.

    President Barack Obama dropped in to speak with a similar group of columnists and broadcast journalists invited to the White House earlier this month for an Iran briefing.

    Clinton — unusually — had no public events scheduled today, but is working, another Department official said.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/laurarozen/0810/Clinton_invites_columnists_to_lunch.html?showall

  119. Shadowfax
    August 17th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Will Isreal strike in 3 days?
    ____________________

    Bushite/Cheneyite CLAPTRAP!

    If there was anything to it- HRC would be front and center advising Americans of our position.

    Confloyd:

    We have had the technology for decades to control the weather. Not for the better i might add. Microwaves, Laser beams used for super heating the atmosphere resulting in anything from plain old rain to hurricanes to tornadoes besides the many uses in the medical field. See the work of the brilliant Nikola Tesla :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla

  120. General Paul Eaton is a neocon. Need I say more.

    The United States is on a downhill slide. We must give up these delusions of empire and a world market place without tariffs based on Ricardo theories which do not work any more than Keynsian economics is working now. The people running the show now are running out of moves. When there are no moves left things will collapse economically. Obama is not the initiator of this disastrous trend but he is the closer. There is no hope and no new beginning with him. The only salvation that I can see for the American People is this:

    1. restore a credit based system (as opposed to the monetarist one we currently have)

    2. bring back manufacturing and protect it with tariffs against competition from slave labor

    3. remove our military forces from Eurasia

  121. turndownobama
    August 17th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
    Do you think that the terrorists got Islam wrong?

    ==================

    That’s what many Muslims said in 2001. They said the terrorists were blaspheming Allah.

    turndownobama
    August 17th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
    rickya,

    It doesn’t matter what’s ‘really’ in the Bible or in the Koran. What matters is what CURRENT DAY Muslims and Christians act on.

    Both religions have many sub-groups which disagree with each other: snake handlers and Jim Jones and the Waco nuts among Christians — various terrorist groups among Muslims. Imo we need to look to the moderate, sane people in both religions.

    And you believe what the Muslims said in 2001. Name one Muslim Cleric that has denounced the attacks unequivocally, one where they denounced the attacks without referencing perceived US wrongs.

    It does matter what really is in their Holy Book. Beliefs inform actions. It matters because they want to put up a mosque where the TRUE adherents of ISLAM have killed 3000 infidels.

    There’s a difference between your examples of christian subgroups and the terrorists. The christian subgroups are a perversion of Christianity while the terrorists version of Islam IS THE REAL ISLAM.

    Instead of giving me platitudes and tu quoques about Islam, inform yourself and study up on this religion that you are trying to defend.

  122. “If there was anything to it- HRC would be front and center advising Americans of our position.”

    ——————-
    Exactly. And to be honest, would this information really be leaked before it happened?

  123. Lets see, we’ve had the first attack on the WTC in the 90’s, 9-11, the london bombings, the bali bombings, the taliban atrocities, lockerbie, the mumbai massacres, the madrid bombings all carried out by muslim fanatics. Thats what they are, fanatics with no sense of truth, they just want to hurt the infidel.

    The scale of which these atrocities continue shows the difference between religions, you can’t equate the two. There are always bad apples on every side but i’ve yet to see any of the muslim countries stand up and say, we are going to stop these fanatics, it just doesnt happen, in fact there are many modern day countries who are helping fund these attacks.

    All religions have trouble with fanatics but it doesnt take a genius to see who is bent on imposing their will on others. When you have islamic fanatics out their murdering christian missionaries (it happens a lot more than you think), who’s the hateful one. When was the last time you saw a muslim missionary murdered by a christian, i’d be hard pushed to find one and its not like its a simple kill them for spreading christianity, these christian missionaries are tortured, beheaded, defiled, dismembered, thrown from windows. Thats not peace, thats pure unadultered hate. Like those doctors in Afghan, 10 doctors murdered and accused of spreading christian missionary propoganda, thats 10 doctors trained for years to save life snuffed out by some whackjob who thinks nothing more than blind hatred derived from religion, he had to get that idea somewhere.

    Trust me, i’ve been around this block long enough studying this at close quarter in places you really wouldnt want to go. There are some real nasty people and i use that term loosely out there.

  124. Of course not all people of any religion believe exactly the same. But when you have a religion that actually promotes the concept of taqiyya which is found in the Koran, and the doctrine of dhimmism, and you find no one within that particular religion standing against these things, then it seems that all Muslims are of a monolithic mindset with regards to these ideas. I have never read, seen, or heard a single Muslim stand up and say “this is wrong”.

  125. The comment about pushing Muslims to extremism should be looked at in the reverse. These acts of Muslim savagery could very well lead to similar acts perpetrated against them. Some will say that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are just that, but they are not.

  126. This morning, on the way out of the parking lot at work, a man stopped me because he saw my Hillary 2008 and Hillary 2012 bumper stickers on my car. He asked me if I thought she would run in 2012…I said, “God, I hope so!”.

    I said, “Do you like HIM?”, he said, “Oh, NO!” We both smiled and walked away from each other.

    Another seed planted…

  127. #
    nomobama
    August 17th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Words coming from non-Muslims who support Islam don’t carry much water. The writer of such words is putting blind faith in a religion that does not encourage honesty.

    Islam is a religion that encourages lying for expediency. Taqiyya is lying for the sake of Allah. How can anything that comes from a Muslim’s lips be taken as truth when Islam promotes taqiyya? It makes trust that much more difficult between Muslims and non-Muslims. It also makes those believe every Muslim statement as a moral fact look foolish.
    ____________________________________________________

    BRAVO and well stated, nomobama. You too, moononpluto. I’m sure you both adore being lectured to by the least informed. I admire your patience trying to turn this sow’s ear into a silk purse!

  128. I frankly think it is lame to live in fear of an entire group of people. Muslims make up 25% of the world population for crissakes. I’m beginning to suspect some of you don’t know one single muslim.

  129. Sec. Gates’s exit sparks talk of Hillary Clinton taking over at the Pentagon
    By Russell Berman – 08/17/10 06:00 AM ET

    Speculation in the nation’s capital on who will replace Robert Gates at the Pentagon has centered on an intriguing possibility: Hillary Clinton.

    Gates told Foreign Policy magazine that he wants to step down as secretary of Defense sometime in 2011. A Republican, Gates was the only member of President George W. Bush’s Cabinet to stay on under Obama.

    “It would be a mistake to wait until January 2012 [to leave],” Gates said. “This is not the kind of job you want to fill in the spring of an election year.”

    Clinton may seem an unlikely choice to head the Pentagon, but she has won praise for her performance at State and forged a strong relationship with Gates. Many supporters argue she has the most credibility with the military of any Democrat and would be a logical choice to take Gates’s place at the Pentagon.

    “The military loves her. They love her,” said Leslie Gelb, a former president of the Council on Foreign Relations. Gelb floated the possibility of a Foggy Bottom-to-Pentagon move for Clinton in a Wall Street Journal op-ed earlier this year.

    The appointment of Clinton to replace Gates would be historic. The former first lady and presidential candidate would be the first woman to serve as Defense secretary and only the second person – after George C. Marshall – to have served as both secretary of State and Defense.

    “That might appeal to her,” Gelb said.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41134.html

  130. #
    nomobama
    August 17th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    I like reading about Tesla.
    ___________________________

    Last year’s movie, “The Prestige” was based in mysticism and magic using the genius of Tesla as the movie’s subplot. Of course, watching Hugh Jackman’s performance entangling and untangling himself from Tesla was worth the ticket price.

  131. Mrs. Smith,

    Most of the time I can sense the weakness in an argument like sharks sense blood in water.

  132. #
    nomobama
    August 17th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Mrs. Smith,

    Most of the time I can sense the weakness in an argument like sharks sense blood in water.
    ______________________________

    IIRC you mentioned you are an attorney? (litigator?) Must be a good one. 🙂

    I think there are quite a few attorneys reading and posting here that frequent this board. I think it’s because of an unquenchable thirst for the Truth and accurate information helping us to make the correct informed decisions at this precarious time.

  133. #
    Mrs. Smith
    August 17th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Shadowfax
    August 17th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    hmm.. The world needs 3 Hillary Clintons by my count-

    ———
    Hillary is well worth more than three current Democrats! 😉

  134. Blagojevich trial: The jury’s oath to “well and truly try”

    The courthouse is abuzz with questions after this morning’s hearing. The jury’s note indicates the panel is close to returning a verdict — but how close? It’s likely the jury is split and tempers are frayed — but how split? How frayed?

    Their request for a copy of the juror oath, especially, paints an interesting picture of what’s going on behind those jury room doors.

    That request — coupled with their other question, about how to write a split vote on a verdict form — could indicate that the group has reached an all-new level of infighting, that one camp is trying to show another camp that they aren’t upholding their promise to “well and truly try” to reach a verdict.

    The question may be, how long will they drag out that fight?

    And so we wait. In the meantime, here’s the text of that oath given to jurors in criminal cases — the text given to the jury earlier:

    “Do each of you solemnly swear (or affirm) that you will well and truly try, and true deliverance make, in the case now on trial and render a true verdict according to the law and the evidence, so help you God?”

    Defense attorney: Jurors’ tempers are frayed, expects to see a verdict this afternoon

    Michael Ettinger, attorney for Robert Blagojevich, said after court that he interpreted the latest communication with the jury as “all that’s left is to sign the jury forms.”

    Ettinger said he expects the jury to return later today.

    Asked about the jury requesting a copy of its oath, Ettinger said he expects “someone is going to be read that card and told they are violating their oath.”

    He said he had never seen such a request and he took it as a sign of frayed tempers.

    “They’ve gone as far as they can go,” he said.

  135. A bit rambling but worth reading.. The message seems to be that if they go ahead with the mosque it strengthens bad guys on both sides — for some Muslims it is a victory and for some non-Muslims it is reason for more hate and prejudice.

    A House of Worship or a Symbol of Destruction?

    16/08/2010

    By Abdul Rahman Al-Rashid

    What the US citizens do not understand is that the battle against the 11 September terrorists is a Muslim battle, and not theirs, and this battle still is ablaze in more than 20 Muslim countries. Some Muslims will consider that building a mosque on this site immortalizes and commemorates what was done by the terrorists who committed their crime in the name of Islam. I do not think that the majority of Muslims want to build a symbol or a worship place that tomorrow might become a place about which the terrorists and their Muslim followers boast, and which will become a shrine for Islam haters whose aim is to turn the public opinion against Islam. This is what has started to happen now; they claim that there is a mosque being built over the corpses of 3,000 killed US citizens, who were buried alive by people chanting God is great, which is the same call that will be heard from the mosque.

  136. By Abdul Rahman Al-Rashid
    “What the US citizens do not understand is that the battle against the 11 September terrorists is a Muslim battle, and not theirs, and this battle still is ablaze in more than 20 Muslim countries.”

    ===============

    Right. As a moderate Muslim said in 2001, “We Muslims hate the terrorists more than you do. To us they are not just terrorists, they are heretics blaspheming Allah.”

  137. Sec. Gates’s exit sparks talk of Hillary Clinton taking over at the Pentagon
    By Russell Berman – 08/17/10 06:00 AM ET
    —————————————
    Gelb has been pushing this for three reasons. First, he is an Obama supporter–not a Hillary supporter. Second, if she accepts this position when Gates moves on it will preclude her from running in 2012. And, third, he know that the military distrusts Obama intensely whereas they trust Hillary. This goes back to the primary when 36 flag rank officers supported Hillary whereas the only one Obama could recruit was Queen For A Day contestant General McPeak. This should be viewed in the same light as the vice president rumor which began with the elites as well–an effort to prop up Barry so he can complete his work on their behalf which will take 8 years. There are other public servants who could take over after Gates. Rumsfeld for example.

  138. mj
    August 17th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
    I frankly think it is lame to live in fear of an entire group of people. Muslims make up 25% of the world population for crissakes. I’m beginning to suspect some of you don’t know one single muslim.

    [[ Thanks for good sense, mj! ]]

    ———–

    rickya
    August 17th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
    The christian subgroups are a perversion of Christianity while the terrorists version of Islam IS THE REAL ISLAM.

    ———–

    [[ There you go again. Saying the ‘real Islam’ is some theological theory of yours about their old scriptures — instead of what the majority of CURRENT Muslims practice. ]]

  139. To simplify things, I have some very wonderful friends who are Muslims. I would no more lump Muslims all together under a banner of evil terrorists than I would expect others to lump Jews the same way. My friends talk of the meaning of Islam and the koran as being completely destroyed by infidels who completely misinterpret their true meaning. They talk of how they are being painted with the same brush as these evil factions and in turn are shunned or looked down upon more and more as time goes on.

    That being said, there is indeed a large faction of Muslims who are intent on destroying Israel, America, et al. They have been brainwashed into believing that Allah wants them to kill, wants them to use mentally ill Muslim and children with physical defects to do their dirty work with suicide bombings. They build their munition factories and training facilities right in the middle of communities and on and on.

    The Mosque in N.Y.C. issue has gone way to far. Obama interjected the race card and now the true problem is being pushed to the side. Yes a Mosque should be built. But to build it in an area that so many Americans remember with sadness and anger is just plain insensitive. It has nothing, at least for me, to do with race. It does however also have to do with the hidden meaning that even if their is the slightest suggestion that this glorifies 9 11, then we must be totally against it.

  140. Turndown, these are the kind of articles from Muslim leaders I want to see more of. I am glad they are speaking up on this issue before it turns into a big cacophony (which it perhaps already is). I agree with what he writes. But I want the lefty blogger boys to tone down their rhetoric in casting aspersions on everyday Americans (like this one; Peter Beinart / The Daily Beast: America Has Disgraced Itself.) When they use hyperbole to play politics and save their messiah, they are damaging their own in front of the enemy.

  141. The message seems to be that if they go ahead with the mosque it strengthens bad guys on both sides — for some Muslims it is a victory and for some non-Muslims it is reason for more hate and prejudice.

    ===========

    Reasonable. But we might add, that American emotionalistic opposition to the project ALSO strengthens the bad guys on all sides.

    Sarah is right; the promoters should quietly drop this, it isn’t working.

  142. Lefties exaggerating and characterizing American emotionalistic opposition with a holier than thou attittude does not help either.

  143. But I want the lefty blogger boys to tone down their rhetoric in casting aspersions on everyday Americans (like this one; Peter Beinart / The Daily Beast: America Has Disgraced Itself.)

    ============

    The US rhetoric needs to be toned down on both sides. Nasty comments about ‘all Islam’ or ‘the true Islam’ just give the lefty blogger boys more ammunition. And when those nasty comments are quoted overseas, that ammunition is used by the bad Muslims too.

  144. America has always been vocal and emotional as long as I remember. Before I came to this country in the 1980s, it was AIDS that was on everybody’s mind. What I read and heard then actually made me nervous to come here but my brother who had spent a few years in Canada brushed aside my anxieties saying America always overdoes everything. So I don’t know how you can tell anybody to curb their emotions?

  145. Kudos moononpluto, Mrs. Smith and nomobama on muslims. Would that those who defend the muslims right now should have to live under Sharia Law and so should their female descendants. Would any of you defend the KKK even though some make a connection between that group and religion? I think not. Neither will I defend any of the muslims. It is up to the ‘good’ muslims to shut down the ‘bad’ muslims. If I understand anything about teh Quran, it is that there are some mighty bad and violent tenets contained within it. If for no other reason that the FACT they under the Quaran women and little girls can be disfigured, beheaded, and stoned to death. Then add the 9/11 murder and I am not willing to be so tolerant of the ‘group.’ There is one female from Canada speaking out about the mosque, but she evidently is no longer subjagated to Sharia Law the same as women elsewhere.

  146. Not really. Nasty comments from some nameless commenters on some blogs are just what they are. But when reporters and bloggers of ‘standing’ characterize it willfully in politicized fashion, it does more harm than good.

  147. JanH,

    Thanks for your usual good sense!

    There’s a large faction of Christians who supported “Kill a Commie for Christ” and are being pretty fierce against ‘Islam’ also.

    Do you get any impression about how large a percentage of Muslims are in the “large faction of Muslims who are intent on destroying Israel, America, et al”?

    Can you recommend any places to read statements by Muslims who agree with your friends?

  148. JanH,

    Thanks for your usual good sense!

    There’s a large faction of Christians who supported “Kill a Commie for Christ” and are being pretty fierce against ‘Islam’ also.

    Do you get any impression about how large a percentage of Muslims are in the “large faction of Muslims who are intent on destroying Israel, America, et al”?

    Can you recommend any places to read statements by Muslims who agree with your friends?

  149. pm317
    But when reporters and bloggers of ’standing’ characterize it willfully in politicized fashion, it does more harm than good.

    —————-

    If you mean people like Gingrich characterizing the Cordoba project in politicized fashion … yes, they do much harm.

  150. The fool on the hill is looking for another kodak moment.

    Obama to Attend Summit of European Union Leaders in November in Lisbon

    By Julianna Goldman – Aug 17, 2010

    U.S. President Barack Obama will attend the North Atlantic Treaty Organization summit Nov. 19 and 20 in Lisbon to discuss progress in Afghanistan and other security issues, the White House said in an e-mailed statement.

    “The president looks forward to discussing these and other issues with his 27 allied colleagues and NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen,” the White House said today.

    While he is in Portugal, Obama will also attend a meeting with European Union officials on Nov. 20, the European Commission and the White House said in e-mailed statements.

    U.S. and NATO troops are in the midst of an offensive to try to push the Taliban out of its stronghold in Kandahar Province in southern Afghanistan as part of the escalation of American military involvement ordered by Obama last year.

    While Obama has said he is committed to a July 2011 deadline to begin a withdrawal of U.S. forces, General David Petraeus, who is leading the 142,000 U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan, said Aug. 15 the process would be “conditions- based” and could change depending on his assessment of progress.

    In June, Petraeus replaced General Stanley McChrystal, who was removed from the war command by Obama for disparaging comments about the administration made in a Rolling Stone magazine interview.

    Obama will also meet in Portugal with EU President Herman van Rompuy and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso to reaffirm a transatlantic agenda and “advance our cooperation on issues of mutual concern,” the White House said.

    “The United States and the European Union are continually working together to advance a broad agenda based on a common history, shared values, and enduring ties,” the White House said. “Our economic relationship is vital to global prosperity, and we are committed to cooperating to promote strong and sustained growth in our economies.”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-17/obama-to-attend-summit-of-european-union-leaders-in-november-in-lisbon.html

  151. turndownobama
    August 17th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    I heard that just a few days ago two people were stoned to death, a muslim father shot two beautiful daughters to death and then the honor-less coward ran home to his community. The community hasn’t, and never will, offer him up to face the consequences of his action committed here in America.

    I have heard two women speak out – that’s all. A huge world wide community that stands by while women are stoned to death, acid in thrown in little girls faces or 5 year old girls have their legs spread for mutilation. Everyday I am thankful to the True God that I am not a muslim and my female descendants are safe from them. Lets get the equal rights amendment passed and then lets start smuggling women and girls out of Afghanistan.

    Afghanistan – where men are men and goats are nervous.

  152. Sounds like the Blago trial will be over in an hour or sooner???

    Rod and Patti Blagojevich arrive at courthouse; verdict appears imminent

    Reporting with Natasha Korecki, Dave McKinney and Chris Fusco

    The courthouse is preparing for the arrival of former Gov. Rod Blagojevich and his brother, Robert, for what is expected to be the conclusion of his corruption trial.

    The security barricades have gone up outside in anticipation of their arrival, and they’re lined by a throng of cameras.

    Rod’s father-son defenders, Sam Adam Sr. and Jr., have just gone through the metal detectors. They appeared harried, and said nothing to the press.

    Rod and Patti have arrived, at about 3:45. She’s dressed in black pants and a black and white shirt; he’s in a blue suit with a blue tie.

    The ex-governor wave and kisses his wife on the cheek. A man asks if there’s a verdict. Rod is silent.

  153. I’m on CNN- LIVE coverage..

    Blago facing 24 counts… everyone on the way home from work.. glued to their radios..

    Found GUILTY on the 24th count..

    another Martha STUART conviction.. pffffft- ridiculous, lying to the Feds…what a waste of time!

  154. turndownobama
    August 17th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    The US rhetoric needs to be toned down on both sides. Nasty comments about ‘all Islam’ or ‘the true Islam’ just give the lefty blogger boys more ammunition. And when those nasty comments are quoted overseas, that ammunition is used by the bad Muslims too.

    Admit it, turndownobama. You don’t know anything about Islam. The only reason you can object to people using the term “real Islam” is because you don’t know anything about it. Please do not engage in a discussion when you don’t have any knowledge about the issues.

    I have no dog in the discussion of Christianity vs Islam. I am an atheist. But I see a problem with Islam that I don’t see in Christianity – Christianity can be moderated using the text that Christians believe in while Islam cannot be moderated by the Quran. The Quran is a hateful book and cannot be moderated. In the Bible, you can pick and choose as there are no instructions on how to resolve inconsistencies within the Bible. In the Quran, you CAN’T pick and choose because the Quran itself provides the mechanism to resolve disputes in the numerous cases of inconsistencies in the Quran – namely, abrogation. Abrogation provides that the later verses should stand if there are any inconsistencies. Unfortunately, this means that the vague peaceful verses in the Quran is already abrogated by the later hateful ones.

  155. Can someone explain to me the obsession with Hillary being place in every job but the one she has? Supreme Court, VP, Defense Sec….jeez. Is everyone so obsessed with the job market that all they wanna do all do is pretend they are Hillary’s own personal head hunter?

    Every job but the top job!

  156. JanH: that is a great article in der spiegel. Notice how they recount the differing interpretations of the event (i.e. Patreaus statement that the 2011 withdrawal date is not firm like Obama claims, but will depend upon conditions on the ground as Hillary has previously stated) from multiple perspectives i.e. right, center right, center, center left and left. That is the difference between der spiegel and Newsweek/Time. For big media there is only one politically correct position, theirs, and the only time they cite dissenting opinion is when they can repudiate it as racist, republican or ignorant. They are a total disservice to the Republic, the Constitution and the American People. Let us hope that they get kicked in the teeth come November.

  157. judge to declare mistrial on 23 other counts…wow…
    ————————————————
    On what grounds? Double jeopardy has attached unless he can answer that question to the satisfaction of the Seventh Circuit. I hope the verdict stands, because the judge and prosecutor would not allow the introduction of material information concerning Obama’s role. What they hoped for was immaculate conception. What they got is what they deserved. Or, what is good enough for OJ should be good enough for this judge. Now go after the real culprits–the Combine itself. So much for the low overhanging fruit.

  158. wbboei, as expected a verdict for Blago that stops him blowing the goods on dumbo. Are we surprised? Nope……

  159. lol, as expected, parsing his words…….troops but not calling them troops.

    Like on so many things, Obama parses. He lies. And now he is trying to explain away the 50,000 troops that he is leaving in Iraq as advisors. Kiplinger understands this: “the 50,000 troops who will remain after Aug. 31 will be advisors in name only. In practice, they’ll be a strong enough force for combat if called to do so.”

    Obama misled America during the elections. And now he is parsing words the way a lawyer does. He cannot be trusted.

    snip….Obama has learned what Bush and so many others already knew….that Iraq is strategic to America’s interests in the Middle East. That is why Obama is leaving 50,000 troops there indefinitely. It is in the middle of the Arab world. From Iraq, any country can be reached by American troops quickly.

    http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=9415

  160. rickya,

    Any scripture can be cherry picked or reinterpreted by any adherant, regardless of what some verses in the scripture say.

    What matters is not what you think the scriptures mean, but what actions the different sub-groups are actually preaching (and what weapons each group can get).

    Even so, the important thing is not what percentage is moderate and what percentage is fanatical, or even that a ‘moderate’ in Tehran would be considered ‘fanatical’ in Tulsa. The important thing is to encourage anyone who is even relatively moderate, so to speak. Not push them toward the fanatical end by equating them with the fanatics — a self-fulfilling fallacy.

    Or, you know, saying nasty things about a religion as a whole.

  161. VERDICT IN: ROD BLAGOJEVICH GUILTY ON ONE COUNT — LYING TO THE FBI; GOVERNMENT SAYS THEY WILL RETRY
    By
    Sarah Ostman
    on August 17, 2010 4:28 PM | Permalink | Comments (20) | TrackBacks (0)

    Reporting with Natasha Korecki, Dave McKinney and Chris Fusco

    The jury has found former Gov. Rod Blagojevich guilty on just one of the 24 corruption counts against him — count 24, making false statement to the FBI.

    That count alleges that the ex-governor lied to federal agents in 2005 when they questioned him about “pay to play” politics. He told the agents he kept his fund-raising and politics separate.

    That charge carries a maximum five-year prison term and $250,000 fine.

    This means the jury was divided on all 23 remaining counts against the ex-governor, and on all four counts against his brother, Robert.

    Judge James Zagel said he would declare a mistrial on those 23 counts. He said he would give prosecutors until Sept. 7 to decide if they wanted to retry the case, but Assistant U.S. Attorney Reid Schar wasted no time in responding.

    “It is absolutely my intention to retry this … as quickly as possible,” Schar said.

    When the verdict was read, there wasn’t a visible sense of relief at the defense table. Rod Blagojevich looked at the jury and shook his head. It appears the defense was hoping for some acquittals.

    After the jury left, Sam Adam Jr. sat next to Rod and put his arm around him, looking as if he were consoling him. He now has to go through this again.

  162. Link found to controversial polarizing woman who has been photographed wearing a headscarf!

    Apparently from AP, posted at
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/10/paterson-if-ground-zero-m_n_677356.html
    The State Department said Tuesday that the imam behind the center was being sent on a religious outreach trip to the Middle East, a plan that predated the controversy.
    The department is sponsoring Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf’s visit to Qatar, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates, where he will discuss Muslim life in America and promote religious tolerance, department spokesman P.J. Crowley said.
    “We have a long-term relationship with him,” Crowley told reporters, noting that Rauf had visited Bahrain, Morocco, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar in 2007 and went to Egypt last January as part of a State Department exchange program.
    Associated Press writer Matthew Daly in Washington contributed to this report.

  163. So before the spin doctors get going, what does it mean that Blago is found guilty of ‘making false statements’ to the Feds and is not found beyond a reasonable doubt that he tried to sell Barack’s senate seat for profit?

    Does it mean he was impeached as Governor on false accusations?

  164. The Hypocrisy of the Western Journalist

    Middle East’s Western Media
    Hypocrisy, Double Standards Out of Control

    by Khaled Abu Toameh
    August 17, 2010

    Western correspondents and newspapers continue to apply double standards when it comes to covering the Israeli-Arab conflict.

    It is much easier for a Western journalist to sit in Israel and write about Israel without having to worry about his or her safety. Why bother to travel to an Arab country and risk being arrested or deported for writing a story that reflects negatively on the dictatorship there?

    Besides, who said it’s that easy to enter an Arab or Islamic country? The foreign reporters need an entry visa to most of these countries – a process that could last for weeks, months and years.

    And when the foreign reporters arrives in an Arab capital, he or she are often escorted by “minders” of the Ministry of Information of that country. Then there are the mukhabarat [intelligence] agents who start following the reporters from the minute they arrive and until they leave.

    Those who are found “guilty” of writing a story that angers the Arab dictator or any of his confidants should forget about applying for another visa.

    Otherwise, how does one explain the fact that the mainstream media in the US, Canada and Europe are turning a blind eye to recent developments in Jordan, where the government has introduced a law that restricts media freedom?

    The arrest last week of seven Palestinian university lecturers at the hands of Palestinian Authority security services in the West Bank is yet another example of how the international media functions in this part of the world.

    Some Palestinian stringers and reporters offered the story about the arrest of the academics to at least a dozen foreign correspondents and newspaper editors in North America and Europe.

    Only one foreign journalist agreed to write about the story. His colleagues gave different excuses for turning their backs on the story.

    Some said they were concerned about their personal safety should they report a news item that was likely to anger the Western-funded PA security forces in the West Bank.

    Others simply blamed their editors in New York, Paris, London and Toronto for turning down the story as “insignificant.”

    Earlier this week, a disenchanted Ramallah-based Palestinian journalist decided to put her Western colleagues to the test. She contacted the same group of newsmen and editors who had been offered the story on the academics’ arrest with a “new idea” for a news item.

    The Palestinian journalist proposed that the foreign press write about a Palestinian university professor who complained that Israeli authorities had turned down his request to visit Israel together with his wife and three children.

    The response from the international journalists came almost instantly. All but two said it was a “great story” and expressed readiness to start working on it immediately.

    It is worth noting that the Palestinian Authority’s General Intelligence Service had warned Palestinian journalists and university staff members not to report about the detention of the academics. Of course the Palestinian media in the West Bank, which is controlled by the Palestinian Authority, complied.

    The Palestinian authorities even threatened the president of the university not to complain about the arrest of his lecturers. He too complied, and even went as far as to switch off his mobile phone to avoid questions from journalists.

    One can only imagine the reaction of the international media had the Palestinian academics been arrested by Israel.

    The double-standards approach of the international media is not a new phenomenon. Back in the mid-1990’s, many Western correspondents based in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv refused to publish stories about bad government, abuse of human rights and rampant financial corruption under Yasser Arafat’s administration.

    This hypocritical approach on the part of the media does not only apply to the Palestinians, but to most of the Arab world.

    Of course there is no shortage of “great stories” in the Arab world. But for those Western journalists who justify their actions — or, rather, inaction — by citing security concerns, the answer is should be: If you are scared, why don’t you stop writing about the conflict and start reporting about the weather or environment?

    The Middle East is not the right place for journalists who care more about their well-being than the facts and the truth.

    http://www.worldjewishdaily.com/toolbar.html?4t=extlink&4u=http://www.hudson-ny.org/1481/middle-east-western-media

  165. turndownobama
    August 17th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
    rickya,

    Any scripture can be cherry picked or reinterpreted by any adherant, regardless of what some verses in the scripture say.

    There you go again with your ignorance. Did you read my post? What I am saying is that the Quran need not be cherry picked to find violent passages. In fact, if you follow the Quran, you would disregard the very few and very ambiguous peaceful verses. It is obvious that you don’t know anything about Islam. Stop discussing and start studying. I understand the natural tendency to think the best of all religions but you need to look at it with searching for the truth as the primary objective – whatever you will find.

    What matters is not what you think the scriptures mean, but what actions the different sub-groups are actually preaching (and what weapons each group can get).

    Even so, the important thing is not what percentage is moderate and what percentage is fanatical, or even that a ‘moderate’ in Tehran would be considered ‘fanatical’ in Tulsa. The important thing is to encourage anyone who is even relatively moderate, so to speak. Not push them toward the fanatical end by equating them with the fanatics — a self-fulfilling fallacy.

    Or, you know, saying nasty things about a religion as a whole.

    I disagree completely that the best way to moderate Islam is to spare their feelings. The best way to moderate Islam is to shine the light of truth on their religion. As it is right now, criticism of Islam is stifled in the Islamic countries. Do you want to stifle criticism of Islam even in the US? Before you write that every opinion/belief should be respected, let me tell you that I don’t believe that. I believe that every opinion/belief should be made to stand to scrutiny. All other beliefs are subjected to the same standard, why should religious beliefs be exempt?

  166. Turndown,

    Here is my response to your post in the previous article.

    turndownobama
    August 17th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
    rickya,

    Any scripture can be cherry picked or reinterpreted by any adherant, regardless of what some verses in the scripture say.

    There you go again with your ignorance. Did you read my post? What I am saying is that the Quran need not be cherry picked to find violent passages. In fact, if you follow the Quran, you would disregard the very few and very ambiguous peaceful verses. It is obvious that you don’t know anything about Islam. Stop discussing and start studying. I understand the natural tendency to think the best of all religions but you need to look at it with searching for the truth as the primary objective – whatever you will find.

    What matters is not what you think the scriptures mean, but what actions the different sub-groups are actually preaching (and what weapons each group can get).

    Even so, the important thing is not what percentage is moderate and what percentage is fanatical, or even that a ‘moderate’ in Tehran would be considered ‘fanatical’ in Tulsa. The important thing is to encourage anyone who is even relatively moderate, so to speak. Not push them toward the fanatical end by equating them with the fanatics — a self-fulfilling fallacy.

    Or, you know, saying nasty things about a religion as a whole.

    I disagree completely that the best way to moderate Islam is to spare their feelings. The best way to moderate Islam is to shine the light of truth on their religion. As it is right now, criticism of Islam is stifled in the Islamic countries. Do you want to stifle criticism of Islam even in the US? Before you write that every opinion/belief should be respected, let me tell you that I don’t believe that. I believe that every opinion/belief should be made to stand to scrutiny. All other beliefs are subjected to the same standard, why should religious beliefs be exempt?

  167. The re-trial might happen even sooner than next year. The White House is not happy:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/18/AR2010081801131.html

    The nearly instant decision by federal prosecutors to retry former Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich is bad news for the disgraced politician, who was convicted Tuesday of only one of 24 counts in his conspiracy trial.

    It also means a headache for the White House.

    President Obama and his top aides had come through the two-month trial with precious little damage to either their reputations or their agenda. What had once appeared like it could be a political minefield for Obama — the trial centered, after all, around whether Blagojevich desired to sell his old Senate seat — instead became a sideshow with relatively little impact, and neither the sitting president nor any of his senior aides had been dragged into testifying.

    But if U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald has his way, there will be a new trial. New attempts by the prosecution to build a case against Blagojevich. New efforts by the defense to subpoena Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and senior adviser Valerie Jarrett to the stand.

    It might be no more likely that Jarrett and Emanuel would actually testify in court, but just the prospect will generate headlines again — headlines that would not aid the president’s goal of keeping his administration focused on the economy.

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