The Audacity Of Dopes

It’s Friday the 13th and Barack Obama and Madame Michelle are planning another V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N. This very short vacation of 27 hours in Florida is a politically necessary V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N. It is politically necessary to pretend concern for Gulf Coast residents so that “The One” and Only Barack Obama and Madame Michelle can then fly off for 10 days V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N among the lofty in the $50,000 a week “Blue Heron Farm” in Martha’s Vineyard.

Fools will be fools and will continue to defend the sumptuous lifestyles of the inexperienced and undeserving. Some fools are waking up however slowly:

“In 2008,” Michelle Rena Jones says with a laugh, “we cheered, hollered, partied, celebrated.” The party’s over in 2010, though, and she knows it. Jones says promises haven’t been fulfilled, and now she feels as though she made a mistake — and she’s not the only one. The Wall Street Journal tells a story that George Stephanpoulos notes Democrats “don’t want to hear” in this midterm cycle, a story of hype and disillusion that has voters looking for change in 2010 — real change:”

No doubt, because the story originates in the Wall Street Journal, this “Michelle Rena Jones” is a RACIST. How dare “Michelle Rena Jones” steal Madame Michelle’s glorious first name to attack The One and Only Barack Obama! How dare this “Michelle Rena Jones” say the outrageous things she says! She sounds like one of them Big Pink People who so unfairly trash The One and Only Barack Obama. She surely is a racist:

“Now, the 40-year-old is rethinking her lifelong support for the party. She has been without steady work for two years, lost her home and car and began receiving cash assistance from the state for the first time. This year, she says, “I’m willing to take a chance on something different.” Another possibility, she says, is that she won’t vote at all.”



Don’t let that skin color disguise fool you! This “Michelle” is a racist! How dare she question The One and Only Barack Obama. How dare this “Michelle Rena Jones” say she wants “Change” by saying she’s “willing to take a chance on something different”. She (and all the others quoted in the article) is obviously a racist using her dire economic circumstances to be “bitter” and attack The One and Only Barack Obama.

The racists are everywhere these days and growing in number as they attack The One and Only Barack Obama and Madame Michelle:

“In every week of his presidency until now, Barack Obama has enjoyed a majority approval rating in the Gallup Poll from people earning less than $2,000 per month. But that changed in the Gallup survey conducted from Aug. 2-8, when only 49 percent of Americans in that income bracket said they approve of the job Obama is doing.

This marks the first time since Obama was inaugurated on January 20, 2009, when Americans in all four of the income brackets reported in Gallup’s weekly survey of presidential approval gave Obama less than 50 percent approval.”

Rat Bastard Racists are everywhere! These racists are even attacking Charlie Rangel and Maxine Waters! Ask yourselves – Why are Charlie Rangel and Maxine Waters being persecuted when they only did what Barack Obama has done? Charlie Rangel screwed the poor by taking apartments set aside for the poor – which is kinda sorta the same disdain for the poor Barack Obama displayed when he left the filthy lowlifes freeze. So what’s the problem?

Why are these racists attacking Maxine Waters? They say it’s because Maxine steered money to OneUnitedBank when she knew her husband would profit from the money. Barack Obama got earmarks for Madame Michelle’s employer and they in turn gave Madame Michelle a salary increase.

Barack Obama got away with that and with the Rezko House and few were upset. Barack Obama has not yet been investigated by the ethics committee of congress for what he did when he was in congress. If Barack Obama was not investigated and convicted and imprisoned, why should Maxine Waters and Charlie Rangel and the obviously innocent and obviously brilliant (to all but the racists) Alvin Greene and other African-Americans be investigated? Obama got off scot-free so should everyone else in the entire United States. It’s the Racists causing trouble again.

The Rat Bastard Racists won’t give Obama the credit he deserves no matter how brilliant the One and Only Barack Obama displays himself. For instance, does anyone think to grace Barack Obama with this enchanting quote from the opponents of Gay Marriage in California (from yesterday’s “Stay Motion” before the 9th Circuit)?

“As an initial matter, redefining marriage in this manner would eliminate California’s ability to provide special recognition and support to those relationships that uniquely further the vital interests marriage has always served. See BARACK OBAMA, THE AUDACITY OF HOPE 222 (2006) (“I believe that American society can choose to carve out a special place for the union of a man and a woman as the unit of child rearing most common to every culture.”). ( p. 53)”

The Rat Bastard Racists don’t understand that Obama Hates Gay People too! The racists won’t give Obama credit for anything. Sigh.

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  1. We haven’t had a Friday Music Video extravaganza in a while. Our topic today brings to mind “Fool on the Hill” and “Won’t get Fooled again”. But we’re avoiding Paul McCartney these days after he ruined the song “Michelle” for us by singing it to the lantern jawed sleeveless. Not an image we want to listen to music to.

    So, we’ll go with Aretha tonight, who “broke her ankle” at a convenient time to avoid Charlie Rangel’s fundraiser this week.

    Aretha Arrives (and Robert Gibbs laughs at the fools):

  2. Great post Admin –

    Seems like we were pondering similar thoughts…

    I posted this downstairs before I noticed your new post.

    —-

    All the discussion on if Barry is ‘right wing’, socialist, capitalist or whatever.

    Obama doesn’t fit in any box because he panders to who ever will pay him for his services. He is a pimp, a crook, and a thief. He and MO think they deserve everything they are gifted and even more, just because…

    During the election, his promises and speeches were just words the young and downtrodden would find appealing, but they were never policies or actions he had planned out and intended to work on and make happen.

    For example, the Hell Care Bill. Nasty and Reid ran with the plan and when they couldn’t pass a real health care bill, they bought off congressional votes in back room deals and bowed down to insurance companies, and Big Pharma. Barry just wanted his name on any health care bill, to beat Hillary to that accomplishment. He doesn’t care what’s in it, he will have excellent health insurance for the rest of his life. He wanted the title in history, just like the first black man (half black) to be Pres., the unearned Peace Prize and what ever else he could steal without earning it.

  3. Cannot discuss fools without Levi:

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/levi-johnston-says-hes-kicked-out-of-palin-family-for-permanently/

    Levi Johnston was a guest on Jimmy Kimmel Live last night, because, no he’s not a reality TV star yet, but he might be one day and, you know, what the hell. He’s sort of the reality star of our lives already.

    The interview is friendly, but Kimmel’s pretty solid smackdown to end the segment leaves Johnston speechless.

    Kimmel introduced Johnston as “to Sarah Palin what voicemail is to Mel Gibson.” After asking what his status with the Palin family is at this point, Levi reveals he thinks it’s finally over, for good. “I think they kinda kicked me out now,” he said. “For permanently.”

    Instead, he’s going to focus on being Mayor of Wasilla. “i think I’m gonna be the best mayor I can be,” he told Kimmel. Kimmel pressed him: “But you don’t really want to be the mayor actually right?” But since Kimmel “would love to see you become the Mayor” he helped him with some potential campaign slogans and swag. One bumber sticker: “Elect me Mayor or I’ll date all your daughters.”

    The best part came at the end, with an analogy the Levi-haters (or Sarah Palin fans) will surely love. Kimmel couldn’t contain his laughter as he laid this one out:

    I want to congratulate you on is the torment you have – it’s like there’s this huge bear and you’re this little mouse, just pecking away at the bear’s feet. And the bear would like nothing more than to swat you and crush you and literally kill you, but you will not be killed.

    And then, Levi was silent.

    Here’s part one, and below – the campaign advice:

  4. haha

    Federal appeals court in NY rules against ACORN

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5goHmEoyYhLPQ7xhPuFBAM-gBjbUAD9HIOI900

    NEW YORK — A federal appeals court on Friday threw out a decision that had barred Congress from withholding funds from ACORN, the activist group driven to ruin by scandal and financial woes. The ruling by the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan reversed a decision by a district court judge in Brooklyn that found Congress had violated the group’s rights by punishing it without a trial. Congress cut off ACORN’s federal funding last year in response to allegations the group engaged in voter registration fraud and embezzlement and violated the tax-exempt status of some of its affiliates by engaging in partisan political activities.

    Fueling the outrage was a video that caught three employees allegedly advising a couple posing as a prostitute and her boyfriend to lie about her profession and launder her earnings. ACORN responded with a lawsuit accusing Congress of abusing its power with what amounted to a “corporate death sentence.”

    The appeals court disagreed, citing a study finding that ACORN received only 10 percent of its funding from federal sources. “We doubt that the direct consequences of the appropriations laws temporarily precluding ACORN from federal funds were so disproportionately severe or so inappropriate as to constitute punishment,” the three-judge panel wrote.

    The Center for Constitutional Rights, which argued on behalf of ACORN, said it was considering asking the appeals court to rehear the case with more judges.

    “We cannot let Congress be pushed around by the right-wing media machine into becoming prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner of politically unpopular people or organizations,” said Bill Quigley, legal director for CCR….

  5. This could sink Jerry Brown’s campaign in California……

    http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2010/08/13/the-obvious-message-of-jerry-browns-pension/

    A kerfuffle surrounding a clandestine Jerry Brown pension is generating a lot of Drudge action on this lazy August Friday. Servers at the Watchdog blog of the Orange Country Register that broke the story are bogging down. Keep clicking on it. The report is amusing. In fact, it’s a bit more than that….

    It seems California’s one-time and now aspiring governor Jerry Brown has been drawing down a healthy pension from the state — perhaps double-dipping — causing a mild embarrassment to Jerry that could grow into something more than mild. At the moment he is locked in a tight race with Meg Whitman.

    What’s troubling in all this is not that Brown makes a good pension — or even than there may be some discrepancy about how much he makes versus how much he deserves. It is that the whole thing is SECRET! (rare use of caps and exclam very deliberate).

    Let’s think this through for half a second. At a time when pension funds are bankrupting or potentially bankrupting states all across the country, when aging populations are forcing the reconsideration of all sorts of social security programs on practically every country on Earth (countries that have them, anyway), and when the state of California — the sixth, or is it seventh, biggest economy in the word — is about to, once again, pay its employees with vouchers because it’s got zippity-do-dah in the bank, some officials of that state are receiving pensions whose size and identity we do not know and are not allowed to see.

    Yes, there are secret state pensions in California. (Sounds like Novosibirsk, doesn’t it?) And we the citizens of that state are paying for them!

    There is only word for this: criminal.

    This mysterious fund whose beneficiaries you are not allowed to know about (even though you are paying for them) is called the Legislators’ Retirement System. It was supposed to have been reformed, but evidently it wasn’t. Who’s responsible for that little oversight, I’d like to know.

    If Jerry Brown were a public official worth re-electing, not only would he completely disclose everything about his pension at this point, he would also call for a new law that makes all — and I mean all — publicly-financed pensions totally transparent.

    We’re paying for them. We have a right to know who is getting them and how much they are getting. It’s so laughably obvious, it’s astounding there isn’t such an ironclad law already.

    It will be interesting to see if Jerry does this. Although a cool guy on the surface, with all the best Zen moves of an aging-Boomer, in the crunch he has almost always shown himself to be a coward and to behave and act in the tradition of the hack liberal pol, pandering to interest groups and preserving the status quo ante.

  6. http://taxdollars.ocregister.com/2010/08/13/the-mystery-of-jerry-browns-pension/62501/

    Seriously this could end his campaign.

    As Jerry Brown grabbed the spotlight with his criticism of Bell city officials and their outrageous pensions, The Watchdog got to wondering: How much will the Democrat for Governor make in retirement?

    That, as it turns out, is a very difficult question to answer. After more than a month of investigation, the Watchdog can only say for certain that Brown and a handful of other top officials are eligible for generous benefits under a special pension fund so obscure that few people in government know how it works and many thought it had been eliminated 20 years ago by outraged voters.

    read on……

  7. Obama and Crist have lost Florida, Obama approval in Florida at 41%.

    http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2010/08/md-poll-crist-approval-drops-to-44.html

    Gov. Charlie Crist’s job approval ratings have dropped to an all-time low for him — 44 percent — and represent the lowest posted by a Florida governor in 16 years, according to a new Mason-Dixon poll. This is the first time Crist’s job performance has dropped below 50 percent.

    The Mason-Dixon poll found the Gulf oil spill is not helping the images of the governor or President Barack Obama, with their job performance ratings among Floridians dropping “significantly” over the past three months.

    Statewide, only 41 percent of Florida voters rate Obama’s job performance as “excellent” or “good” — down from 47 percent — and 59 percent rate it as “fair” or “poor” — up from 53 percent.

    Pollster Brad Coker said their declines are “primarily the result of the sour view that Floridians have about the current economy and their skeptical outlook on its future.” Statewide, only 36 percent believe the country is on the right track, and just 37 percent believe the state is on the right track. Most importantly, Coker said, voters do not believe the economic stimulus package has improved the nation’s economic situation. Crist’s support for the plan “set off the political earthquake that destroyed his chances of winning the Republican Senate primary,” Coker noted.

  8. I survived my first day on the job on friday the 13th, LOL!

    I am also finally ready the second half of “Game Changer”. I am so glad I waited to read the second half until the “journolist’s” were outed. I can tell you the strife and mayhem they caused Hillary and McCain/Palin are reprehensible. I now know that the rethugs really did not cause all this, it was the “journolister’s” and now we need to make them pay for taking our country into the abyss.

    I just wish I could figure out how…they all need to be fired and run out of town.

    I honestly now think I could vote for a rethug this year and in 12′ unless its Mittens and Newt. I just can’t vote for any one who took part in the lies foisted on the Clinton’s in the 90’s because if we did we are really no better than the “journolista’s”.

    I am hoping for Sarah, but the Jimmy Kimmel’s won’t let Sarah go, its like they can’t beat up on Hillary anymore, so they have to find some woman to abuse and Sarah’s got the ticket at this point. Some how I hope Sarah will run!

  9. Somehow, i think the whole ballgame is going to change post Nov…….

    We all know how Obama reacts to trouble and boredom, he runs away.

  10. If I was Israel, I would wait until Russia started up the nuc plant and then hit it with a nuc and take it out….this regime will not/never understand anything but a Hiroshima on their country….then they will stop!

  11. MoonOnPluto, for the longest time that Jerry Brown link was too busy to access. Thanks for posting the story. You are right that this will finish Jerry Brown off.

    In Nevada, Harry Reid has been beating up Sharron Angle as an “extremist” and now she too has a weapon to use:

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0810/Reids_birthright.html?showall

    The issue of “birthright citizenship” — which would apparently require abolishing the 14th Amendment — is viewed on the left with horror and by many on the right as something of a pander, as talking about it can be a way of avoiding any practical measures.

    But some believe that the 14th Amendment can be re-interpreted without being repealed. And in 1993, Harry Reid was apparently one of them — a revelation that should give Sharron Angle a useful club next time he calls her extreme.

    From legislation he sponsored:

    HotAir has more:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2010/08/13/harry-reid-tried-to-end-birthright-citizenship-for-illegals-in-1993/

    In Connecticut McMahon is closing in. In Florida Rubio is gaining again.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/senate/fl/florida_senate_rubio_vs_meek_vs_crist-1456.html

  12. When Jones says she made a mistake, I assume she means not voting Hillary. Yes, Jones, you made a big mistake, and we are all living with it. But, seriously, I think alot of us are sitting the next one or two out. That’s what real Democrats ought to do. That’s what the rightwing did in 1992. Sometimes that’s the best tool you have.

  13. Oh, I KNEW he hadn’t really cancelled Maertha’s Vineyard. I KNEW they were doing a flyover in FL to cover for their Marth’s trip. They are too predictable!

    Remember how Bill and Hill always went to Martha’s Vineyard for their vacation? Remember how they only took one vacation a year! Those two made me so proud to be a Democrat.

  14. Looks like a lot of Dem runners are having real political downfall issues at present, its like implosion on a grand scale, if they keep this up, the republicans could run a 3 legged prostitute on crack in November and win.

  15. Bill Clinton’s birthday wish: Donate to charity

    August – 13 – 2010

    Bill Clinton will turn 64 next week, but if you were thinking about getting him a gift, hold on. Instead, the 42nd President of the United States is more interested in helping raise money for charity.

    The former president is using Facebook’s Causes application to express his birthday wishes – which include tackling childhood obesity, reversing climate change, encouraging entrepreneurship and other ambitious ventures. Instead of gifts, the former president is using his “birthday wish” to ask his friends and fans to donate their money to several worthy nonprofits that help address these issues. In fact, Facebook’s “birthday wishes” feature, which allows users to ask their friends to make charitable gifts in lieu of presents, has raised more than $6 million so far for causes around the world.

    Causes, a Berkeley-based start-up, was founded by Sean Parker and Joe Green. It supports thousands of nonprofits, including the Humane Society, Teach for America, ONE Campaign, the Save Darfur Coalition and Greenpeace. Now, the Clinton Foundation can count itself among that company.

    “Not only are we hoping to raise funds for the important work undertaken by the Clinton Foundation, but we hope to inspire our users to follow the president’s example when it is their own birthday, and donate it to charity,” Green said.

    According to the Los Angeles Times, Clinton is the first major public figure to use Facebook’s birthday wish feature. Even so, more than 75,000 slightly less famous figures have used the application to encourage their friends and family to donate. The Causes application itself has more than 100 million users.

    http://www.thedailytell.com/2010/08/bill-clintons-birthday-wish-donate-to-charity/

  16. moononpluto

    ———
    You may not like Jerry Brown but there is no way in Hell that Meg Whitman has a clean record of anything and she is more secretive than anyone I have seen that is running for office. That woman gives me the absolute creeps. Her ads are disgusting.

  17. Shadowfax
    August 13th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
    That woman gives me the absolute creeps. Her ads are disgusting.
    ——————————————————————–

    i see what you mean. just checked out her web-site. she kind of has that bette davis what ever happened to baby jane look about her.

  18. Is this true? The Socialist Party of America announced in their October 2009 newsletter that 70 Congressional democrats currently belong to their caucus.
    This admission was recently posted on Scribd.com. I am not familiar with Scribd.com, but the names on the list,and the sheer number of them astounds.
    Then someone posted in comments a list of 100 of those , with some repeats, that were on a prior list. This was posted at gatewaypundit.com and I am not familiar with that site either. Anyone know of this and is it accurate?

  19. NewMexicoFan-if this does not sink the dems, nothing will. This seems to be the one issue that most reasonable people on both sides agree on.

  20. NMF…Obama probably just signed his political death warrant with that, if that does show Americans that he does not give a shit about the feelings of ordinary americans, nothing will.

  21. He spent his whole campaign shoving things down peoples throats, and he got away with it. He does not think being President that he should behave any different.

    Religion is a real hot button for people.

  22. Do you think Obama basically knows he’s toast now, doesnt give a shit and is going to force his agenda no matter what now. I do.

  23. I watched the ancestry.com feature tonight on dreaded NBC, because my hubby had it on. Lisa Kudrow was on researching her Jewish family history in Ilya. She learned that her great-grandmother and I am sure other family as well were led at a run to a pit that had housed ice and two or three at a time were led to the edge, shot, and then torched. It was moving. It really affected Lisa.
    If the fact that thousands of Americans were murdered by Islamic terrorist does not affect the muslim mosque in The Won’s eyes and heart, then absolutely nothing will. This alone demonstrates clearly that he does not love Americans and that he does not love America. Can we not see the writing on the wall? Let him go live in the muslim world, far far far away.

  24. I read a comment a few days ago that said that black people just love pissing white people off. Each time I hear about a new outrage from obama I think of that.

  25. Obama probably just signed his political death warrant with that, if that does show Americans that he does not give a shit about the feelings of ordinary americans, nothing will.

    I can’t imagine what he is thinking, endorsing the mosque at ground zero. He should have voted “present” on this one. He’s toast.

    BTW, Daily Show did a segment on playing the race card. Pretty funny stuff if you haven’t seen it:

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-5-2010/race-card-is-maxed-out

    The Daily Show With Jon Stewart Mon – Thurs 11p / 10c
    Race Card Is Maxed Out
    http://www.thedailyshow.com
    Daily Show Full Episodes Political Humor Tea Party
  26. jbstonesfan,

    It sickens me that obama came out for this travesty. It doesn’t surprise me, but just once I hoped he wouldn’t show his true colors.

    The dims wanted him as potus. They deserve to fall on their swords at election time.

  27. First of all, who are the ‘professional left’? The basement kool-aid boyz in the basement?

    First the beginning of the article, then a few comments below it:

    ‘Professional left’ not ready to back an Obama challenger
    By Sam Youngman – 08/13/10 06:00 AM ET

    As angry as it might be, the professional left isn’t ready to back a primary challenger to President Obama just yet.

    Two high-profile liberals on Thursday said they are not interested in running against the president in 2012, and liberal bloggers say any challenge to Obama would be fraught with difficulty.

    “I haven’t heard of a credible name that has been floated that would challenge President Obama,” said David Sirota, a prominent liberal blogger. “I haven’t heard of that. I think it would be very difficult to do.”

    Markos Moulitsas of Daily Kos, who is also a columnist for The Hill, said he didn’t think Obama would get a 2012 primary challenge “in a million years.” In an e-mail, Moulitsas also said Obama shouldn’t be challenged.

    Still, some influential figures on the left, which erupted in fury this week at criticism White House press secretary Robert Gibbs made in an interview with The Hill, suggest a multitude of voices in New Hampshire and Iowa could be helpful to the party.

    [snip]

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/114081-professional-left-not-ready-to-back-a-2012-primary-challenge-

    Comments…

    Professional left – what a joke.
    You mean your the brilliant Ed Schultz?
    Or that other fountain of wisdom: Rick Sanchez?
    Maybe you are referring to the brightest guy in the universe: Tingles.
    These guys would vote for Obama if Ahmadinejad was about to strike on election day.
    BY Sickofobama

    Hillary Clinton must challenge Obama. We do not need Obama.
    BY ilo

    Anybody who would challenge Obama in the primaries has to be a racist
    BY MikeTrip

    The professional left would never admit that they “screwed the pooch” when they jammed this unqualified, smooth talking empty suit down the throats of the American public. They were as fooled as all the mainstream media were and now they are choking rather than admit they screwed up.
    BY Frank

    Many of us will simply not vote.With Democrats
    like him, why fear the Republicans ?
    We needed an FDR & got a “Make Nice” Obama.

    They have to run someone because barry is broken and the entire world knows it. Maybe he just needs a vacation.
    BY Poppa

    The fool Obama wont even run, His ego could not handle the defeat!
    BY nuffsaid

    I am a conservative, but Hillary, thanks to Obama’s inexperience and actions, has a great platform to run on in 2012. The “I told you so” “I would not have been golfing when the Gulf was suffering, Bill would not have gone to Spain during the economic down fall of our country, etc.”
    Conservatives better watch Hillary, as soon as she decides to resign as Sec. of State, you know she is going to run.
    Remember that little meeting between Bill and Barack. Many things could have been discussed, dumping Biden in 2012 for Hillary to set her up for 2016, or not running in 2012 to let Hillary run. But, all this inaction and wrong actions have set Hillary up for a run. Face it. It looks pretty tastey for her right now.
    BY Sidney

    Let me make this easy for you journOlists folks, I am a diehard Hillary supporter and there is NO WAY she will challenge in ’12. NO DEM WILL. and if they did want to Obama made SURE it couldnt be done appointing Jim race card Clyburne to redo the nomination procedure on the DNC side. the AA vote all locked up for O despite RECORD UE rates there.
    That is why MILLIONS OF DEMS WILL VOTE GOP in 10 AND 12. We will patiently wait for 16 for Hillary.
    Romney (God no!!) 12 /Hillary 16
    BY jedimom

  28. mj
    August 13th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    I’m voting, and I am voting Repub. Time for the Dem’s to have their highly deserved comeuppance.

    Then if the Repubs sell us out again, out they go. My own term limits. No one gets a second chance to screw American’s anymore.

  29. And isn’t interesting that obama made this announcement just when he is sitting down to the table with fellow Muslims for a state Ramadan dinner.

    It’s always about timing and photo ops for this creep.

  30. JanH,

    but just once I hoped he would’t show his true colors…
    ************

    Oh he did…finally. To tell the truth, I think they better guard that Mosque 24/7, because it will not stand. I just can’t see it.

    I don’t know if i told you all about the AA church across the street from me, like 15 years worth, sold it to a Muslim group and now in this conservative town outside Austin, I have a Mosque in my front yard. Jesus, I should put up a huge cross, maybe the Star of David. The neighborhood would go nuts, might just be worth it. I am sorry, I see the incredible growth of the repressive “religion” ( and I use that term lightly )Islam in America as terrifying.I look at it more of a political group, not a religion. The only women that attend this Mosque are completely covered, some with near Burkas. Mostly it is 99% male, young…scary.

  31. JanH
    August 13th, 2010 at 11:57 pm
    ********

    Gee, and to think he couldn’t find the time to go to the Boy Scouts 100 year Jamboree and sign their certificates. Guess they didn’t bribe him enough! Fu*ker!

  32. JanH
    August 13th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    And isn’t interesting that obama made this announcement just when he is sitting down to the table with fellow Muslims for a state Ramadan dinner.

    It’s always about timing and photo ops for this creep.
    ——-
    Hey, he’s with his bros and he agrees with them. To Hell with supporting the American public.

    We get the picture, and he can pack his backs before American’s burn down his presidency.

  33. Will we ever get the video the LA times has of bambi?

    From where I stand which is a quaint little town outside of Pittsburgh that has a great view of November people are furious. The anger is unprecedented. Even the most apolitical are up in arms bout the mosque. The rage is unbelievable. Guy that owns 5 local bars told me he is considering offering free draft beer for anyone who phone banks for rethugs. He voted for waffles and said he tried to give the benefit of the doubt for the last two years but the mosque sent him over the edge.
    I was flabbergasted by the man’s rage. Words like unbridled and seething are evoked. I was shocked at his fury.

  34. I never before wished that i had the genious of the poet.
    When I recall the days after the towers fell I can still taste the disaster. I lived on 45th between 8th and 9th and it was in the air. I lack the vocabulary to relate what the 12th the 13th were like. Stunned or shocked do no justice. Immune feels comfortable as as bad as it was I was spared.we had to go on with life. Going out that Friday was brutal. Yet everyone did it. Never will I forget or forgive as we got together to spend a weekend out. The smell will haunt me forever and in no way shape or form am I open to a mosque,

  35. mj,

    If you’re an example of a “real dem”, then I will gladly vote Republican for the forseeable future. Sorry if you feel that all dems must think like you, and believe what you believe. I think of myself as a Democrat in the center, and I supported many of the policies that Bill Clinton espoused. Yet, I know Bill Clinton was viewed as a sell-out by the left. To the contrary, Bill was brilliant at getting some of the things that he wanted, and actually comprimising with Republicans to create the much missed economic good times of the 1990’s. I won’t demonize Democrats or Republicans who actually work with each other to obtain what is best for a majority of the population. I am not an ideologue, but I still voted solid Democrat out of some misguided belief that Republican equals 100% bad, and Democrat equals 100% good. Boy was I wrong, and realizing that now, I will never fall into that trap again. Us ‘real Democrats’ will make obamacrats pay for their follies. As I see it, they haven’t even begun to suffer the consequences that they deserve to suffer. I want annihilation of the obamacrats. Nothing less will do. That’s what they wanted for those like me. Now it’s their turn.

  36. Remember Jim Jones and his suicide cult? They called themselves Christians.

    Suppose along with their own suicide, they had blown up 3,000 others. Real Christians shouldn’t be blamed for what a few crazies do in their name.

  37. I remember reading about a musician who took his chelo or violin down into a subway station and played all day. It was the only comfort he could offer his fellow New Yorkers and the memory still makes me weep.

  38. henry,

    Me and some of my coworker friends from New Jersey decided to go into New York City within a week of the towers falling. We liked to do that periodically, especially on Sundays, when we would go into lower Manhattan for brunch at the Mexican restuarant called Calientes because you could drink yourself silly for a very reasonable price. After that, we would walk around that general area for hours. We used to have a lot of fun doing this as a group back in the 90’s. Anyway, I remember that Friday night when we went into Manhattan after the towers fell. I’ll never forget it. There was an smell that reminded me of electrical wiring burning. There was all of this steam/smoke coming out of stack that I think covered manholes in the sidewalks. I put my hand up to one of them, and felt immense heat which was something that I did not expect. I remember the rats running all over the place which was unusual since I don’t ever remember seeing them in past visits. The smoke and heat underneath the streets and sidewalks must have smoked them out. I remember the pictures hanging all over the place of the people who were missing. I remember walking past fire houses that had the purple and black bunting hanging outside in mourning of the firefighters who had died heroically. I remember the bright lights lighting up large areas of buildings and sidewalks in areas that were not the World Trade Center. I remember the barriers set up all over the place, and the police out in force keeping people blocks away from the destruction. I remember the makeshift memorials with so many candles burning, and notes left on the ground and on chain link fences. But most of all, I remember the darkness of the one street (don’t remember which one off the top of my head) on which we were walking south, only to be stopped by police barricades. Ahead of us was darkness, but you could see what looked like a black mountain in front of us, a few blocks down. The rubble of the World Trade Center looked like a mountain in the darkness, a mountain that blocked the path ahead. I will never forget being let out of work early the day the the World Trade Center was attacked. I went to church that day with a friend. I prayed, and reflected on the good that is America, and the evil that was released on us that day. After returning to work, and being told that everyone was to leave the building because there were rumors that Route 80 was going to be closed down, and they wanted people to get home before that happened. There were so many rumors that day. Well, instead of going home, I went east toward the city, and found myself in South Orange, NJ watching the towers burn from a mountain that overlooks Newark, NJ, and points east like lower Manhattan. Lower Manhattan from that vantage point looke like one big smoke cloud. I will never forget this injustice done to so many innocent people. That is why I don’t want a stupid mosque built in the area of the World Trade Center. Keep in mind, I didn’t know anyone who died that day, but my memories are still pretty vivid today. obama promoting the building of this mosque makes me angry. He just rubbed salt in the wounds of millions of people, and I believe his poll numbers will further erode, and rightfully so. He is indeed toast.

  39. “After returning to work, and being told” should be “After returning to work, I was told that”

  40. In Stay Motion, Prop. 8 Supporters Quote Obama’s Audacity of Hope
    In their Emergency Motion for a Stay Pending Appeal, the supporters of Prop. 8 focus on the unique role of heterosexual marriage, and quote Barack Obama as one of many authorities:

    As an initial matter, redefining marriage in this manner would eliminate California’s ability to provide special recognition and support to those relationships that uniquely further the vital interests marriage has always served. See BARACK OBAMA, THE AUDACITY OF HOPE 222 (2006) (“I believe that American society can choose to carve out a special place for the union of a man and a woman as the unit of child rearing most common to every culture.”). ( p. 53)

  41. Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, “I’m a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman.”
    [….]
    “Giving [gays] a set of basic rights would allow them to experience their relationship and live their lives in a way that doesn’t cause discrimination,” Obama said. “I think it is the right balance to strike in this society.”

  42. St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church stood in the shadow of the World Trade Center and was crushed under the rubble when the towers collapsed on September 11, 2001. Almost nine years later it has still not been rebuilt; the rebuilding project is mired in bureaucracy, with New York City officials being uncooperative and throwing up roadblock after roadblock.

    The contrast is telling with the mad rush on the part of New York City officials to build the Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero, sweeping aside calls to landmark the Burlington Coat Factory building, into which crashed the landing gear from one of the 9/11 planes, as a war memorial — despite the fact that buildings of far lesser historical significance have been designated as landmarks in New York.

    From a March 2009 New York Times story on the church last July, the Port Authority and the Greek Orthodox Church announced a tentative plan to rebuild the church just east of its original site, at Liberty and Greenwich Streets. The authority agreed to provide the church with land for a 24,000-square-foot house of worship, far larger than the original, and $20 million. Since the church would be built in a park over the bomb-screening center, the authority also agreed to pay up to $40 million for a blast-proof platform and foundation. In recent negotiations, the authority cut the size of the church slightly and told church officials that its dome could not rise higher than the trade center memorial.

    But a thirteen-story mega-mosque? Fine!

    Unable to rebuild their church, the St. Nicholas congregation has held St. Nicholas Day services in a tent at Ground Zero:

    Am i surprised….not.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/nyregion/03trade.html?_r=1&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/B/Bagli,%20Charles%20V

    …………………………………….

    Seperately, If any one wants to donate to help get this church rebuilt, here’s its website. They seem like they need help.

    http://www.stnicholasnyc.com/

  43. Well I just can’t believe the idiot in the WH has come out for the GroundZero Mosque!!! My guess is that he was told my his muslim money men to go out for it, so he did. I remember that Meanchelle was meeting them in Spain or his friend the Imam that has gone to the middle east for the administration has given him the news that he had to take a side. I did see that he came out for it at 9pm on a friday night, so he’s not proud of his decision.

    I agree, he’s toast now. I just wonder what his poll numbers will be now??? Of coarse they are all BS anyway and are being propped up!

    I thought Hillary came out long ago against the groundzero mosque, saying it wasn’t good for New York. Maybe it was something else, I can’t quiet remember.

  44. Shadowfax Aug 13 @ 6:28 pm: During the election, his promises and speeches were just words the young and downtrodden would find appealing, but they were never policies or actions he had planned out and intended to work on and make happen.
    ——————
    Here’s an idea for a campaign video I would love to see: Assemble some of the gazillions of times which Candidate Obama said “This is not about me … it’s about you!”
    contrasted with
    instances of My administration, my White House my my my and I I I.”

    Perhaps this video already exists, and if so I’d appreciate the link to it.

  45. 9/11 Families Stunned by President’s Support of Mosque at Ground Zero

    Here’s the statement issued by Debra Burlingame, the co-founder of 9/11 Families for a Safe & Strong America:

    Barack Obama has abandoned America at the place where America’s heart was broken nine years ago, and where her true values were on display for all to see. Since that dark day, Americans have been asked to bear the burden of defending those values, again and again and again. Now this president declares that the victims of 9/11 and their families must bear another burden. We must stand silent at the last place in America where 9/11 is still remembered with reverence or risk being called religious bigots.

    Muslims have worshipped in New York without incident both before and after the attacks of 9/11. This controversy is not about religious freedom. 9/11 was more than a “deeply traumatic event,” it was an act of war. Building a 15-story mosque at Ground Zero is a deliberately provocative act that will precipitate more bloodshed in the name of Allah. Those who continue to target and kill American civilians and U.S. troops will see it as a symbol of their historic progress at the site of their most bloody victory. Demolishing a building that was damaged by wreckage from one of the hijacked planes in order to build a mosque and Islamic Center will further energize those who regard it as a ratification of their violent and divinely ordered mission: the spread of shariah law and its subjugation of all free people, including secular Muslims who come to this country fleeing that medieval ideology, which destroys lives and crushes the human spirit.

    We are stunned by the president’s willingness to disregard what Americans should be proud of: our enduring generosity to others on 9/11 — a day when human decency triumphed over human depravity. On that day, when 3,000 of our fellow human beings were killed in a barbaric act of raw religious intolerance unlike this country had ever seen, Americans did not turn outward with hatred or violence, we turned to each other, armed with nothing more than American flags and countless acts of kindness. In a breathtakingly inappropriate setting, the president has chosen to declare our memories of 9/11 obsolete and the sanctity of Ground Zero finished. No one who has lived this history and felt the sting of our country’s loss that day can truly believe that putting our families through more wrenching heartache can be an act of peace.

    We will honor the memory of our loved ones. We will protect our children, whose lives will never be the same. We will not stand silent.

    …………………………………………………………

    This has the potential to be very toxic to Obama’s administration, i am actually Obama is pursuing this agenda. It political suicide but i think he doesnt care anymore.

  46. Obama is going to lose this battle too if he pursues it. Americans are becoming majorly fed up.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/florida/60_in_florida_favor_arizona_like_immigration_law_in_their_state

    60% in Florida Favor Arizona-Like Immigration Law in Their State.

    Most voters in Florida support an immigration law like the one recently passed in Arizona in their state.

    A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey finds that 60% of Likely Voters in the state favor a similar immigration law in Florida, which is in line with national findings. Twenty-seven percent oppose such a law, and 13% are not sure one way or the other.

    The percentage of supporters has held fairly steady since last month, when 62% supported an Arizona-like immigration law.

    That same month, 60% of Florida voters also opposed the U.S. Justice Department’s challenge of Arizona’s immigration law.

    …………………………………………………

    This President is consistently on the wrong side of public opinion, the public are seriously going to punish him in Nov.

  47. Do not fall into Bambi’s folly……weak defense if i ever saw one.

    Embattled Rep. Maxine Waters on Friday blamed the Bush administration for her ethics problems — saying she had to intervene with the Treasury Department on behalf of minority-owned banks seeking federal bailout funds — including one tied to her husband — because the Treasury Department wouldn’t schedule its own appointments.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/13/rep-waters-violated-house-rules/?test=latestnews

  48. The Mosque of Triumph brought to you by Barack Hussein Obama …damn all who put this Enemy of the American People in the Oval Office, damn you, damn you all! – and how can we get rid of him as soon as possible?

  49. I he and his supports were willing to disregard the wishes of the voters, even to the point of preventing them from voting, why should they care about public opinions.

  50. I am delighted that BO has cone out so strongly for the mosque not just on legal rounds but because the Muslim movement is so wonderful and the religion brings so much wonderful peace and crap to America.

    This will surely precipitate lower polls numbers.

    Downward ho!

  51. I doubt we will hear how Hillary personally feels about the mosque et al. She represents bambi so I hope she prefaces anything she says with…”President Obama believes”… and leaves it at that.

    The stubborness of those pushing for construction just amazes me. Where is the sensitivity? Where is the compromise? If you know that this is hurting so many of your fellow New Yorkers as well and others worldwide, why would you pursue this crap?

  52. JanH, Because they can! We thought the power brokers of Wall Street put in the “One”, it wasn’t it was the muslim power brokers that did….they will get what they want….he said in his book “I will stand with the muslims”, he meant it and this proves it.

  53. It is quite flaky on his part not to have called “present” on this mosque issue. Goes to show that he does indeed stand by certain things(but why?). In this case he is using the plain argument of religious freedom in America. The thing is the mosque is not about religious freedom in America but about sense and sensibilities and respect toward the 9/11 victims (I say this but am torn about it — the mosque builders perhaps don’t want to give their religion up to the 9/11 perpetrators either.) I say Gutfield should start building his gay bar next to it. That is the American way and the Mosque builders have to just get used to the various freedoms in America.

  54. i recall obama referring to the arrogance of america in his cairo speech. the mosque allows him to rub our nose in it. the nightmare that is obama gets worse on a daily basis. i truly believe he hates this country.

  55. I did hear a muslim american talk about the mosque and he made sense, but how will we know that their will not be fundamentalism taught at that mosque? How will we know that they will not be teaching “Christian hate” or “American hate”? This is what I have a problem with, how will the average american know that this mosque in the shadow of the twin towers really try to teach religious tolerance? Which is what the muslim cleric is saying he wants to do!

  56. looks like looming trouble. This really is going to be a pr disaster for the dems. Congressional Dems had better run as far away from this as possible.

    Barack Obama’s Ground Zero mosque plea will cost him and the Democrats votes

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7945804/Barack-Obamas-Ground-Zero-mosque-plea-will-cost-him-and-the-Democrats-votes.html

    By charging headlong into the ferocious controversy over the plan to build a mosque near Ground Zero, President Barack Obama may have further damaged Democratic Party prospects in the upcoming mid-term elections.

    For while his return to the soaring rhetoric that won him the White House in the first place will be popular with hard-core liberal supporters, it is unlikely to capture the hearts of middle-America this year.

    In 2008 Mr Obama was a largely unknown quantity running on the strength of untried ideas and a ringing call for moral superiority. But now all of that has changed.

    According to the NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll, 52 per cent of Americans disapprove of Mr Obama’s handling of the economy; 45 per cent disapprove of his handling of the Afghanistan war; 40 per cent say the country is worse off since he became president.

    Mr Obama has lost the political high ground and on the mosque issue – where emotions are far more likely than logic to win the argument – his stand will not go down well at the voting booths in November.

    The President may be right in declaring that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in America, but that is not the question as middle America sees it.

    For the majority of Americans this is not an issue of freedom of religion. It is a question of whether or not a mosque should be built within two blocks of Ground Zero, where 3,000 people perished when jetliners hijacked by Muslim extremists were flown into the World Trade Center towers on September 11, 2001.

    New York City’s mayor, Michael Bloomberg – an independent with strong Republican ties – has already approved the mosque, as has the city planning boards, and it is going to be built anyway.

    This reality gives Republicans the freedom and cover to jump into the fray on the side of protesters.

    “President Obama is wrong,” said New York Republican congressman Peter King. He added: “It is insensitive and uncaring for the Muslim community to build a mosque in the shadow of Ground Zero.”

    The former House speaker, Republican Newt Gingrich, says it is a “test of the timidity, passivity and historic ignorance of American elites.” According to a CNN-Opinion Research poll released this week, nearly 70 per cent of Americans oppose the mosque plan.

  57. By the way, notice its basically only the hard nut kooks left over on DU these days who will just gush at anything Obama does, hardly anyone goes there anymore, it lost a lot after 2008.

  58. He is entirely – and to many Americans, horridly — a creature of the left, with little ability to make moral distinctions. His sympathies for the Muslim World take precedence over those, such as they are, for his fellow citizens. This is nothing short of an abomination.

    from http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/340536

    But he is entirely not a creature of the left. If he was he would have come out stronger for gay rights, don’t you think?

  59. When the terrorist attacked Mumbai in 2008, all terrorists except one got killed. But Muslim Imams in India took a stand and refused to allow burying the dead terrorists in their burial grounds. Why are we not hearing that kind of solidarity from American Muslims against this mosque?

  60. JanH said:
    The stubborness of those pushing for construction just amazes me. Where is the sensitivity? Where is the compromise?

    =================

    They have to build at this site because they already own it and are losing money on it. If someone offers them money to build something else on it, I bet they’ll compromise pretty fast.

    http://www.frumforum.com/is-the-911-mosque-a-publicity-stunt/

    “paid some $5 million in cash to buy the Burlington Coat Factory building, a building that yields no income. They are paying rent to hold rights to the Con Ed building, which also yields no income.
    ….
    You can tuck a lot of development fees into a $100 million project. And if not a mosque … what else do you do with their two loser properties on Park Place?”

  61. If it is a publicity stunt on mosque builders part, then why is Obama inserting himself into it? It is pretty darn stupid, eh?

  62. pm317
    But he is entirely not a creature of the left. If he was he would have come out stronger for gay rights, don’t you think?

    ===============

    He’s a creature of the Combine — in Leftist clothing. He began his campaign appealing to the Left but in fact acts as a Corporatist.

    The puzzle is why he is standing up for the Muslims now. Maybe he is still trying to please the Left voters — on an issue that doesn’t really hurt the corporations.

    Maybe the local corporations want the center built, so it will attract gay bars and raise property values in that neighborhood.

    Or maybe he is just shooting his mouth off in a supposedly Leftist direction without thinking, as he did with the white cop / black resident in Harvard.

  63. pm317
    When the terrorist attacked Mumbai in 2008, all terrorists except one got killed. But Muslim Imams in India took a stand and refused to allow burying the dead terrorists in their burial grounds. Why are we not hearing that kind of solidarity from American Muslims against this mosque?

    ===================

    Maybe because building a YMCA type of community center isn’t as bad as what the Mumbai terrorists did?

  64. pm317
    If it is a publicity stunt on mosque builders part, then why is Obama inserting himself into it? It is pretty darn stupid, eh?

    ================

    He wants to get in on the publicity?

    Obama shoots his mouth off for publicity reasons without doing his homework. Eg Harvard incident and Sherrod incident.

  65. “They have to build at this site because they already own it and are losing money on it. If someone offers them money to build something else on it, I bet they’ll compromise pretty fast.”

    ———————-

    I have my personal doubts here, turndown. I don’t think they want to compromise no matter what.

  66. #
    turndownobama
    August 14th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    pm317
    When the terrorist attacked Mumbai in 2008, all terrorists except one got killed. But Muslim Imams in India took a stand and refused to allow burying the dead terrorists in their burial grounds. Why are we not hearing that kind of solidarity from American Muslims against this mosque?

    ===================
    Maybe because building a YMCA type of community center isn’t as bad as what the Mumbai terrorists did?
    ————————–

    You misunderstood the analogy. The Indian Muslims’s response was to Mumbai terrorist act. Here the American Muslims should react to the Mosque in the context of 9/11.. because if there were no 9/11 there would be no controversy about this mosque.

  67. pm317,

    Most Muslims condemned 9/11. Those who condemned 9/11 have a right to differ in their opinions of this YMCA thing. Some see it as a gesture of goodwill; others think that since some non-Muslims are offended, the project should be dropped. Both these are reasonable opinions.

  68. Some see it as a gesture of goodwill; others think that since some non-Muslims are offended, the project should be dropped. Both these are reasonable opinions.

    You must have some special access to these people. Because all I have seen so far is silence from them. That is not taking a stand and there is no courage in that. Not good enough.

  69. The Won spoke so forcefully promoting the building of the mosque at Ground Zero because he is muslim by birth. He treats muslims and blacks with special affection while he, from all outwardly appearances, hates the whites. I have often wondered how someone could hate half of themselves and that translates for me that he hates the very people who actually raised and acted responsibly toward him, his mother her parents. No Ground Zero Mosque.If there is a mosque built there, then I will get up a trip to visit the Gay Muslim Bar that the Red Eye guy is proposing. Perhaps they will feature a drink called Mud in Your Eye and include in it a dap of mud from a pig sty. Pershing stated that in order to defeat your enemy (muslim) you must think like your enemy. Iirc, he gathered up a village of muslims, and shot them with pig blood dipped bloods, let a few live to go back and report. End of trouble with muslims saving others’ lives.
    I wonder if it is allowable for the citizens, through a November initiative on the ballot, to vote on the government offering The Won and The None an early golden parachute if they volunteer to leave office early? It could be called a stimulus package. I wonder how much moulah it would take.

  70. I am not so sure Obama really hates Gay People. I think that even back when he “wrote” his book(s), he was calculating how many votes he loses and how many he gains by taking any particular position. In any case, shouldn’t a religious denomination have the right to decide who qualifies for marriage in their church. And, if we, ie the voters, society, just open up legal domestic partnerships to anyone of any gender or relationship, on the one hand, and redefine some of the social benefits of those partnerships, like tax breaks, inheritance, etc, can’t we just get rid of, what seems to me to be a problem that is distracting from some more fundamental issues, like war and peace, economic survival. Speaking of which….why did Obama insert himself into the mosque issue. If he really wanted to create some of the Change he promised, he would reopen the 9/11 Commission investigation.

  71. Hillary will no doubt be asked about the mosque her answer will start with either “I believe” or “the administration believes” then we will know where she stands. I can’t believe after walking through the ruble and seeing the destruction first hand that she would OK the building.

  72. Shorttermer said:
    that translates for me that he hates the very people who actually raised and acted responsibly toward him, his mother her parents.

    ======================

    You could find support for that in his autobiographies, at least in some incidents when he was young.

  73. Newbie
    I am not so sure Obama really hates Gay People. I think that even back when he “wrote” his book(s), he was calculating how many votes he loses and how many he gains by taking any particular position. In any case, shouldn’t a religious denomination have the right to decide who qualifies for marriage in their church. And, if we, ie the voters, society, just open up legal domestic partnerships to anyone of any gender or relationship, on the one hand, and redefine some of the social benefits of those partnerships, like tax breaks, inheritance, etc, can’t we just get rid of, what seems to me to be a problem that is distracting from some more fundamental issues

    ====================

    I don’t think he has enough sincerity to hate anyone. More likely he’s a cold phoney through and through. Someone said that his corporate backers don’t want to lose the anti-gay votes that they’ve been getting from the Religious Rightwingers.

    There’s no possibility of a church being forced to perform a gay marriage. Even with full legal rights for gays, including legal marriage, each church can still do as it likes, excommunicate gays, whatever.

    As for adding legal benefits to domestic partnerships, imo that’s not practical; not enough could be added, and not everyone would recognize them. Also, some of the anti-gay referendums have also specified that they are forbidding any kind of domestic partnership also.

  74. pm317 said:
    August 14th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    turndown said:
    Some see it as a gesture of goodwill; others think that since some non-Muslims are offended, the project should be dropped. Both these are reasonable opinions.

    pm said:
    You must have some special access to these people. Because all I have seen so far is silence from them. That is not taking a stand and there is no courage in that. Not good enough.

    ===========================

    I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at. Do you mean that if there were any ‘good Muslims’ they would all be speaking out against this project, therefore there are no ‘good Muslims’?

    Here are links to media coverage of this issue, most of them containing quotes from Muslims who oppose it.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordoba_House#References

    Imo there are many good Muslims, and some take one side and some take the other. I haven’t seen many speaking out in support of the project, though.

  75. Lol, that took long………He was for it before he was against it.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0810/Obama_narrows_mosque_defense.html?showall

    Obama narrows mosque defense (FLIP FLOP ALERT — now denies supporting it)

    Speaking to reporters today, President Obama drew a sharp line under his comments last night, insisting that his defense of the right to build a mosque does not mean he supports the project.

    “I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there. I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding,” he said.

    Obama’s new stance is logically consistent with his words last night, if a bit less “clarion,” as Mike Bloomberg called the first remarks. And there are certainly two possible stances here: Bloomberg’s, that the Cordoba project itself represents the best of America; and Obama’s, that the freedom of religion is an important American value.

    Obama’s new remarks, literally speaking, re-open the question of which side he’s on. Most of the mosque’s foes recognize the legal right to build, and have asked the builders to reconsider.

  76. nomobama

    I saw this on Hillbuzz and wanted to pass it along. Most are funny.

    ————
    Those were great, loved the one of MO walking down the aisle at Chelsea’s wedding in her raggedy ass shorts, and in Pamplona with the bulls. 😉

  77. continued……………….sorry missed last paragraph.

    But the clarification is, in political terms, puzzing. The signal Obama sent with his rhetoric last night wasn’t that he had chosen to make a trivial, legal point about the First Amendment. He chose to make headlines in support of the mosque project, and he won’t be able to walk them back now with this sprinkling of doubt. All he’ll do is frustrate some of the people who so eagerly welcomed his words yesterday as a return to form.

    ………………………………………

    The man needs a glass of water to wash down his foot.

  78. moononpluto
    August 14th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
    Lol, that took long………He was for it before he was against it.

    ————

    moon,

    It just boggles the mind…lol…

  79. I still think that obama coming out with this statement about the mosque on the same day as his dinner with Muslims reeks of pandering.

    Why wait this long? Why didn’t he come out before? Why wasn’t he more specific?

  80. Mike Bloomberg supports the mosque. I don’t personally think the mosque is a big deal. These are not the relatives of the terrorists wanting a shrine or something. These are American muslims building a religius center. I don’t see how this compares to the india story. There they refused to bury the actual terrorists in their sacred grounds. That makes alot of sense. here, muslims are being confused with the islamic extremist who blew up the twin towers. It’s an awful broad brush people are painting with. New York has a huge muslim population. Do you honestly believe these people were not upset by the distruction of their city?

  81. “These are American muslims building a religius center”

    No its not. These may be American Muslim, but they are not american muslims who condemn Hamas, these are not american muslims who condemn Hezbollah, these are american muslims who fully supported the flotilla attack against Israel. These are american muslims who support shariah law in the USA.

    I have visited many mosques in my area, very nice and pro-America muslims. And the money for building for these mosques came from the local community. They [the mosque] members work at the local homeless shelter, they collect food for food drives, they collect money for the troops. These are pro-America, pro-US consitution local mosques.

    This ground zero mosque is sponsored by radicals who will not even condemn Hamas, which is on the State dept’s list of terrorists. And where the hell is his compassion for the 9/11 victims? There is none. This a direct FU to those family members and all who suffered. This is about respect for them, and respect for the memories of those who died.

    This grd zero mosque has none of that. And then to slap those 9/11 families by calling them bigots and racists for opposing this nonsense. Bloomberg has lost what was left of his mind.

  82. mj said in a very sensible post:
    here, muslims are being confused with the islamic extremist who blew up the twin towers. It’s an awful broad brush people are painting with. New York has a huge muslim population. Do you honestly believe these people were not upset by the distruction of their city?

    ====================

    And Muslims worldwide were upset because the hijackers had blasphened Allah by doing this in His name, and given Islam a bad name.

  83. mj
    August 14th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
    Mike Bloomberg supports the mosque. I don’t personally think the mosque is a big deal. These are not the relatives of the terrorists wanting a shrine or something. These are American muslims building a religius center.
    ***********************

    REALLY? WHAT PLANET ARE YOU LIVING ON?

  84. This American Muslim?
    ****************

    SEE MORE – Crime – Education – Supreme CourtFather of Slain Teen Girls Upset That Daughter Dated Non-Muslim, Police Records Show

    Wednesday, January 09, 2008

    Amina (left) and Sarah Said
    Amina (left) and Sarah Said
    DALLAS — A man on the run from police since his teenage daughters were found shot to death in a taxicab on New Year’s Day had threatened to hurt one of the girls for dating a non-Muslim boy, according to police documents.

    Authorities deflected questions Wednesday about whether the sisters, who had both a Christian and Muslim memorial service, might have been victims of an “honor killing.”

    “There’s a lot of speculation out there right now,” Irving police spokesman Richard Gilmette said. “We have no solid information.”

    Amina Said, 18, and her sister Sarah, 17, were found shot multiple times in a cab outside a suburban Dallas hotel. Police found them after one of the girls called 911 from a cell phone and said she was dying. A capital murder warrant has been issued for Yaser Said, 50, who has not been seen since the Lewisville High School students were found dead.

    Click here to see photos.

    Gail Gattrell, the sisters’ great-aunt, has called the deaths an “honor killing,” in which a woman is murdered by a relative to protect her family’s honor.

    According to a police report released Tuesday, a family member told investigators that Yaser Said threatened “bodily harm” against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim.

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    The police documents, first obtained by Dallas television station KXAS, also show that Patricia Said fled with her daughters in the week before the girls were killed because she was in “great fear for her life.”

    She asked police if she needed to do anything to prevent her husband from getting information about the girls when they enrolled in a different school, according to the documents.

    Gilmette said police had no information on the father’s whereabouts. The department on Wednesday taped a segment for “America’s Most Wanted” in hopes of finding him, Gilmette said.

  85. These are American muslims building a religius center.

    =====================

    I’m not sure the center would be all that religious. 13 stories, swimming pool, auditorium, restaurants. Containing a ‘mosque’ which would be a small percent of the floor space.

  86. Yes, really. These people own property NEAR ground zero where they will build a community center. Big effing deal. News falsh. Muslims own property all over Manhattan. And, they even have mosques, tons of them, all over the city. You are talking about an American city with a HUGE muslim population. I really don’t see what these particular muslims have to do with the 9/11 terrorists.

  87. Or this American Muslim?
    ***************

    February 13, 2009, – 2:44 pm

    Alhamdillullah [Praise allah], Muslim Beheadings Come to American Soil: Head of Islamic Propaganda Cable Network Cuts Wife’s Head Off–Buffalo, NY

    By Debbie Schlussel

    But wait, but wait, we were told that Muslims in America are different than their violent brethren around the world, that they are “moderate” and “peaceful.”
    Hmmmm . . . tell that to Aasiya Hassan. This isn’t the first time Muslims have beheaded their wives in America. It’s only the latest.
    Ironically, Mr. Hassan is the founder and head of Bridges TV, an American Muslim cable channel which he set up after 9/11 to show us how “moderate” American Muslims are. I wonder when we’ll see the Bridges TV Muslim Beheading Year in Review.

    Orchard Park police are investigating a particularly gruesome killing, the beheading of a woman, after her husband–an influential member of the local Muslim community–reported her death to police Thursday.

    “Religion of Peace” = Religion of Pieces

    Police identified the victim as Aasiya Z. Hassan, 37. Detectives have charged her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, 44, with second-degree murder.
    “He came to the police station at 6:20 p.m. [Thursday] and told us that she was dead,” Orchard Park Police Chief Andrew Benz said late this morning.
    Muzzammil Hassan told police that his wife was at his business, Bridges TV, on Thorn Avenue in the village. Officers went to that location and discovered her body.
    Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.

    To paraphrase the loathsome “Dr.” Phil, “And how’s that workin’ for ya?”

    Muslim Wife Aasiya Hassan: Now Headless

    The killing apparently occurred some time late Thursday afternoon. Detectives still are looking for the murder weapon.
    “Obviously, this is the worst form of domestic violence possible,” Erie County District Attorney Frank A. Sedita III said today.
    Authorities say Aasiya Hassan recently had filed for divorce from her husband.
    “She had an order of protection that had him out of the home as of Friday the 6th [of February],” Benz said.

    Why is this beheading only second degree murder? It’s not that easy to behead someone, and it was likely planned in advance “with malice aforethought.”
    Like I said before, this isn’t the first time.
    In the past, I’ve written about Dr. Azizul Islam, a Muslim doctor in Michigan, who chopped his wife to bits (including beheading her) and spread her “parts” around.

    “Death to America” From SpaceWorm: Iran Space Program … LinkWithin

  88. “I’m not sure the center would be all that religious. 13 stories, swimming pool, auditorium, restaurants”

    not sure what building you are even looking at. This is not that big of a building. Its an old Burlington Coat factory building. This is not a community center, it is a mosque!
    They are only calling it a “community center” to calm people down. It is a mosque being sponsored by people who refuse to call out terrorists like Hamas and Hezbollah, and say that “America was an acceosry to 9/11”

  89. gonzotx
    August 14th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
    This American Muslim?

    What does that have to do with the muslims in NYC and their community center?

  90. “their community center”

    its a Mosque, not a community center. The neighboring restaurant next to this building, the “Dakota RoadHouse” knows this and has expressed this.

  91. We put our religious zeolots in jail. Jeffers is in jail for having sex with a girl under 14, when the muslims start doing this in america, I might consider believing them.

    When I see some of those convicted of first degree murder on death row, I might start believing them. Until then I see all muslims protecting each other, just like our Potus is doing….

    You break the law you go to jail, if you kill someone, you die.

  92. Have you seen any pics of Obama swimming in the Gulf of Mexico yet??? I haven’t, he made a speech, YUK!

  93. “if you kill someone, you die.”

    Actually, there are several states that don’t carry the death penalty, confloyd.

  94. OH MY GOD, Just on CNN, Obama said he was taking a dip in the Gulf of Mexico OFF CAMERA!!! That sorry SOB!! This needs to go viral!

  95. Confloyd, many, many followers of Jeffers protected him or were afraid to talk. That’s why it took so long to find him. Honor killings obviously are horrible and something that must be confronted, but American muslims are still Americans. They still have the same rights as any other religious organization.

  96. In the November 2009 Newsletter there were 70 members of congress listed as members of The Socialist Party of America.Eleven of those are serving in the Judiciary Committee. I calculated how many were from each state and/or territory. It would seem that there are some names missing from the list, some big names. The list follows:
    AZ 2
    CA 14
    CT 1
    DC 1
    FL 3- Wexler gone, but should Alcee Hastings not be on the list?
    GA 2
    GU 1
    HI 2
    IA 1
    IL 6
    IN 1
    MA 6
    MD 2
    ME 1
    MI 2
    MN 1
    MO 2
    MS 1
    NC 1
    NM 1
    NY 9
    OH 3
    OR 1
    PA 2
    TN 1
    TX 2
    VI 1
    VT 2
    WA 1
    WI 2
    OH 2
    OR 1
    PA 2
    TN 1
    TX 2
    VI 1
    VT 2
    WA 1
    WI 2

  97. Names from above list of the members The Socialist Party of America in Nov 2009 are from an article at gatewaypundit.com

  98. Every candidate in November and 2012 should have to state in writing whether they have ever been a member or associated with The Socialist Party of America; that would be a consideration for me.

  99. mj
    August 14th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
    “if you kill someone, you die.”

    Actually, there are several states that don’t carry the death penalty, confloyd.
    *****************
    We don’t torture and kill our kids for dating and being “Americanized”, we don’t as a general rule behead our women for wanting a divorce . We don’t stone to death women who seek help from their abusers and we don’t have “honor” killings.

    When the Muslims of America stand on every corner and demand justice for America and its victims of 9/11, when they turn in the abusive, plotting terrorists in their mists, when they honor women and allow them to be the equals that they are, and stop raping children and murdering them …. Then, and only then, can call themseleves a “religion”. Untill then, they are just a political entity with NO rights and criminals all.

  100. mj, I agree with that, if they honor the laws of the United States, they deserve all the rights our constitution offers, but if they don’t, they need to go to jail as I would have to if I broke the law.

    That’s what I am saying.

  101. The top story in my paper today has a headline saying Obama supports the Ground Zero mosque. If he’s trying to wriggle out of that, he’s going to get ripped to shreds for flip-flopping.

  102. Er, they want to tear down the coat factory and BUILD a 13 story center with swimming pool, auditorium, restaurants, etc. And one little mosque somewhere inside it.

  103. Unfortunately there are Christian crazies too, who want to punish girls — by withholding contraceptives from them.

  104. Sigh, one itty bitty mosque, one ittey bitty terrorist er killer, one itty bitty woman beheaded, one itty bitty country going to hell in a hand basket that’s all.

  105. I think we are politically in a lose-lose situation politically these days. As I commented in the previous article (my post from 11:16 am was unfortunately stuck in moderation and only released after this new one came up:)

    In response to Admin’s comment that: They need some serious come-uppance or we’re all f***ed.” is another way of saying “doom, destruction, defeat” for Obama Dimocrats and Obama in November 2010 and 2012 and on and on until every vestige of the Obama corruption is purged from American life.”

    It would be beyond foolish to trade in a Democratic administration or legislature for a Republican one. We know what the Republican agenda and modus operandi are: supply-side laissez-faire economics (except when wall street or banks need bail-outs); privatization of social security, no consumer protections, the Grover Norquist attitude of shrinking government “down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub”, feel-good magnetic made-in-China-flag-style warfare like Iraq that is depleting our armed forces and costing trillions of dollars.

    Vote in the Republicans? Are you serious?

    ———

    However, I would like to see the American Marxist-Left lose influence in the Democratic Party. I find their thinking as simplistic and wrong-headed as the Libertarians.

  106. turndownobama
    August 14th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
    Unfortunately there are Christian crazies too, who want to punish girls — by withholding contraceptives from them.

    ____________________

    That is a blatantly vicious comment. You are entitled to your opinion, but please respect others.

  107. oh God. The entire building is a mosque… there are lines of people who already go in there and pray everyday.
    Its not a community center.

    I don’t care that its a mosque, go build away from ground zero. And to top it off the radical lunatic sponsors of this mosque don’t condemn terrorism, don’t condem Hamas, Hezbollah, said “Bin Laden was made in America”, “America needs to be Sharaih compliant”, 19 freaking days after 9/11/01 happened on a CBS interview.

    I am all for religious freedom, but there is also a thing called respect for the victims. If there was no 9/11, I would donate to any fund for the right for that Mosque to be built there.

    But this is a radical imam and sponsors with no respect for 9/11 victims, and this is a direct FU to their lost lives and all who still suffer now.

  108. tim
    August 14th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    —-

    I don’t know where you are getting your information, but Mike Bloomberg is about as big a supporter of Isreal as they get. I seriously doubt he would support the center if it were the initiative of such radicals.

    ShortTermer
    August 14th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
    Sigh, one itty bitty mosque, one ittey bitty terrorist er killer, one itty bitty woman beheaded, one itty bitty country going to hell in a hand basket that’s all.

    That’s hyperbole.

  109. I watched the WTC or what was left of it several hours after its collapse from the cliffs of a New Jersey Park.

    Within the next few days I went in to the city and paid my respects at St. Pauls’ Trinity Church. All the tress, all the buildings, all the graves were covered by inches of grey ash. The fence around the church was filled with messages, letters, pleas asking for information about loved ones. It was heartbreaking.

    The town where I lived in NJ had been home to several of the hi-jackers. I used to pass the apartment of two on my way to work in downtown Paterson. Ringleader Mohammed Atta lived no more than five miles away, in a motel near the Willowbrook Shopping Mall. Several of the hijackers renewed passports at a shop near my home.

    Paterson, where I taught, hosts one of the largest Muslim populations on the east coast. I don’t think it’s coincidence that so many of the hi-jackers made their (temporary) homes there.

    Personally, I could never support any form of Islam because of their despicable treatment of women. I would no longer give fanatics who consider women as property to be veiled from head to toe and subjected to barbaric clitrodectomies a religion I should be tolerant of than I would a congregation of ritual animal sacrifice believers. Both are barbaric.

    Not that I would outlaw Islam in the US but I would not ever agree to the sheer audacity of a group led by a known fundamentalist building what would most likely be a fundamentalist leaning if not downright jihadist mosque.

    I lived in NYC during the first attempt on the WTC, in 1993. It took them less than eight years to get it right on their second try. Why would anyone support building a mosque on sacred ground near WTC which would serve as a beacon to others like the Blind Sheik, Omar Abdel-Rahmanthe, hi-jackers like Mohammed Atta and their like?

    I find it hard to believe that anyone who witnesses, experienced, saw, lived through or lost someone in the WTC would ever support a mosque rising from its ashes.

    It is insulting, inconsiderate, insensitive and yes, barbaric.

    It is insane.

  110. http : // rr.com/news/topic/article/rr/10374903/18433638/Americas_Muslim_Capitals/1

    Check this for a breakdown of the areas in the US with the largest number of Muslims.

    And someone upthread mentioned an awfully high guestimate for NYC Muslims.

    There are no confimred numbers for that figure although I doubt it’s 10 percent of the population. NYC has roughly 8,400,000 people. I doubt 840,000 are Muslim. I believe there are about 100 mosques which hardly seem enough for 850G people.

    Anyone got more info on that?

  111. Bloomberg is an idiot. Hillary got it right when she critized this fool for essentially buying his third term.

    Bloomberg has stated publically, he does not care where the funding for this Ground Zero WTC mosque comes from. It can come from the Saudis, the UAE, this ignorant mayor or NY AG DOES NOT CARE!!

    And then he says “the protestors should be ashamed of themselves”

    Well guess what? Many of those protestors were 9/11 families!

    essentially calling everyone who suffered and continues to suffer from 9/11 racists and bigots.

    Respect? Tolerance? How the hell is building a mosque on grd zero led by an imam who refuses to condone terrorist like Hamas, Hezbollah supposed to heal, how the hell is is supposed to build bridges, how the hell is supposed to bring peace to the victims of 9/11, or are they supposed to shut the hell up and suffer silently while the mayor tells them they should be ashamed of themselves for being racists and bigots!

    The 9/11 familes and victims essentially have been told, get over it!

  112. Wolfe Blitzer just said Bill Clinton is hosting a fund raiser for Charlie Crist. He also mentioned that Hillary would be there…how weird is that???

  113. There’s now a pic of Sasha and Potus swimming in the Gulf of Mexico….of coarse he’s under water cause he doesn’t want a pic of himself without a shirt on the front covers of the tabloids….yeah right…he doesn’t want anyone to see how much weight he’s lost. He can’t fool me!

  114. confloyd it is making more and more sense. I read earlier this week that Mark Penn was throwing a huge fundraiser for Christ.

  115. I no longer understand what Bill Clinton is doing.

    He’s now holding fundraisers for turncoats like Charlie Christ?
    I don’t know. If this rumor is true, I just don’t know anymore. Why is Bill doing this?

  116. confloyd
    August 14th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
    There’s now a pic of Sasha and Potus swimming in the Gulf of Mexico….of coarse he’s under water cause he doesn’t want a pic of himself without a shirt on the front covers of the tabloids….yeah right…he doesn’t want anyone to see how much weight he’s lost. He can’t fool me!
    _______________

    I would have to see the area around him in order to believe he is at the Gulf Coast because I would not go into that water for all the money in the world. With all the corexit that was poured into that body of water, I believe you would have to be an idiot to go into it. However, I have no guarantee that he does not fit into that caategory.

  117. local news is packaging waffles support of the ground zero mosque as courage under fire.
    NOT how the people are responding. Local pub has a tip jar for NY state rep King and it is full.

  118. Building a mosque near ground zero makes about as much sense as not getting rid of the jihadi influence in 1993 when the first attempt at destroying the WTC was made.

    Look how well that’s worked out.

    Anyone who thinks that trying to placate these animals exhibits American tolerance and will reap the same in kind – I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you.

    How many times does one have to do the same thing over and over and keep expecting different results? That is the definition of insanity according to Einstein. We’ve already tried placating, ignoring, assuaging – it doesn’t work! These thugs want to wipe the earth of non-Muslims! I’m beginning to think some Americans have a death wish.
    Muslims have proven they are not trust-worthy. Look at this year alone! The Fort Hood massacre, the Christmas crotch bomber, the murder of two Arkansas soldiers, not to mention all the other smaller scale events which got next to zero coverage, like the one out of Newburgh NY with jihadists attempting to blow up NY airports. Look at the honor killings, the beheadings. And Squat just proved, as he said in the Audacity book;
    “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

    I am tolerant but I am not stupid. If this mosque really is a genuine effort at outreach, well, they have to first prove that to the American people like, for example, admitting it wasn’t such a great idea in light of all the grieving families and moving on to another location.

    I’m not going to hold my breath for that.

  119. Henry, that is why I don’t watch television news. Those ignorant producers and reporters need to get a big dose of reality, like being shipped off to a Muslim country for a couple of weeks and finding out how limited their choices are, especially the women.

    They are a$$hats, straight up.

    Courage under fire my a$$. Slipping off message and showing his true allegiance is more like it.

  120. Why do the leftie’s still think placating these animals will work when time and time again we have been taken to the cleaners by them and then they chant “down with America”?

    YOu are sooo right Basil 9. I prefer “tough love” with these guys, its the only thing they understand, otherwise they think your weak!

  121. andyp, the pic only shows them in water and there are NO landmarks…quiet convenient don’t you think???

  122. My understanding is that Christ is going to caucus with the dems so this may be why the Clintons are doing their part.

  123. jyjames,

    Thankfully, I moved to the gorgeous, quiet, spacious Catskill Mountain area three years ago. It’s a jungle down there! (Although there are some nice areas) but the traffic alone is enough to put you in an early grave. Not to mention the taxes, the crime, the people.

    Sorry but i couldn’t get out of that area fast enough and I have no intentions of going back. NYS is no piece of cake, either, but somehow living in nature makes many things more bearable.

    BTW, I taught on the Paterson School District. Nearly killed me.

  124. basil9
    I have the sneakers I wore on those days after. Laces are stained and have a stench. No idea why I kept them other than the fact that I could not throw them away. Well now I’m going to cut them up in little pieces and mail them to elected officials in New York. The actual smelly shoes I will probably reserve for Bloomburg.

  125. confloyd,

    You would think that women lefties, at least, would research the status of women in Muslim societies and have a lightbulb moment that tips them off they wouldn’t be doing so well under sharia law, for example.

    They are just so BLIND and STOOOOOOOOPID!

    Maybe the leftie men like the gender arrangement under Islam?

  126. confloyd
    August 14th, 2010 at 7:44 pm
    andyp, the pic only shows them in water and there are NO landmarks…quiet convenient don’t you think???

    ___________________

    My sentiments exactly. I know I would not be in that water.

  127. henry,

    I understand you keeping the sneakers. I wouldn’t waste them on Bloomberg or any other elected fothermuckers. They wouldn’t appreciate the significance.

    Last year I interviewed an ex-Brooklyn fireman who moved up here after 911. He lost 6 of his men during the collapse of the first tower. He spent months searching for the guys who had perished. The people who died on 911 deserve to be honored and remembered, not buried beside a mosque, a symbol of the lunatics who murdered them.

    I really don’t care that it may also be symbolic for peaceful Muslims. That is irrelevant. What matters is honoring American dead and the heroes who died trying to save them.

  128. basil9
    Somethings you can never ever forget and others have no right to desecrate what already haunts you.
    Frigging guy I knew died because he tried to catch someone who had jumped out of tower two. He didn’t think he just reacted. Actually held his arms out to catch the woman. Picture if you will a man holding out his arms to catch a woman falling 100 stories. I cannot forget his child or his wife. And I sure as hell do not forgive.

  129. JanH
    August 14th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    My understanding is that Christ is going to caucus with the dems so this may be why the Clintons are doing their part.

    ==============

    Jan, I was catching up reading posts from the end of the thread first. Your post suggested a very interesting picture, thanks!

  130. I don’t forgive or forget either, Henry.

    The fireman, from Engine 9 in Brooklyn, said all he did for months was search for bodies in the ruins and go to funerals. He finally snapped, had to get out of the area and moved upstate. He said he still felt guilty because he was supposed to have been on duty at the firehouse the day of the crime. He had switched with a buddy, who ended up losing his life.

    He said it was so he could go to his son’s game (football- I can’t remember).

    He said he lived in LI at the time and got the call, before the collapse, to report for duty and he said he drove the entire 30 or 40 miles down an empty Long island Expressway, if you can imagine such a thing. Police had completely shut it down except for emergency vehicles.

    At the end of the interview, he said, in a tone that was sad and uncomprehending, that he felt people had already begun to forget about the sacrifices and tragedy of 911.

    He sent me pictures of all 6 of his fallen comrades. We ran them in the weekly.

  131. basil9
    I am at a complete loss when it comes to that day and the one’s that followed. I do know what I went through. Mine was so much less than so many others. Evil awful things take place in the world. I have zero control. I do have an annoying little piece of chump change. And I gotta teach her that the world is not so bad on a daily basis. Fuck obama and fuck the mosque.

  132. At the end of the interview, he said, in a tone that was sad and uncomprehending, that he felt people had already begun to forget about the sacrifices and tragedy of 911.

    —————-

    Yes. I agree with Palin: the memories are too painful, even allowing for good intentions. Odd distribution though.

    …………..Favor Oppose Unsure
    Bronx… 30% 53% 16%
    Brooklyn 31% 61% 9%
    Manhattan 53% 31% 16%
    Queens/Staten 28% 60% 12%

    Manhattan is, of course, the borough in which the WTC was located, and Cordoba House is planned.

    http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/nycpolls/c100728/Bloomberg_RV/Construction_of_Mosque_Near_World_Trade_Center_Site.htm

    There’s other good info at the Marist site.

  133. As we thought, photoshoot nowhere near the oil spill……………………..

    PANAMA CITY BEACH, Fla. — Whether or not he would wade into the water became the question hanging over President Barack Obama’s overnight stay on the Gulf Coast.

    Obama answered it within hours of his arrival in Panama City Beach, when he took his daughter Sasha, 9, out for a dip to prove to the nation’s skeptics that the Gulf of Mexico is safe and clean despite the millions of gallons of oil that flowed into it over the past four months.

    It’s exactly the image Florida officials wanted: the president and his daughter in the water. The two of them swam at Alligator Point Beach, an area near the restaurant where they ate lunch.

    Unfortunately for the reporters traveling with the president, the White House took control of the photograph of the outing.

  134. MOP, How convenient! How many folks swim where the restaurant is??? I am not convinced he swam in the water.

    I also would like that BP head and his family to swim in the water. The first BP guy, the Brit!

    Obama has lost alot of weight and thats what he doesn’t want shown.

  135. wouldn’t be surprised if they took beach shot from Spain where the daughter went swimming and then photo-shopped the a$$hole in there.

  136. AmericanGal, That talks about Mark Penn holding a fundraiser for him. Unless I’m missing something, I don’t see anything about Bill getting involved.

  137. I see nothing when I do a news search about Bill holding a fundraiser for Crist. Either Wolf Blitzer knows something no one else does, or he’s confusing Mark Penn with the Clintons.

  138. The article wasn’t specifically about Bill–I worded that poorly (sorry about that)….it is discussing the Democrats interest in Crist.

  139. Wolf Blitzer wouldnt know journalistic truth if it bit him on the ass, ever since he became one of Obama’s fellators at CNN, i lost all respect.

  140. You guys are correct…there actually aren’t any news stories saying Bill will campaign for Crist…

    Here is a recent quote from Crist himself regarding the Clintons and his campaign:

    Crist said he’s had no contact with the Clintons. Asked whether he’ll seek their support in the general election, he said, “I think we ought to cross that bridge when we get to it. I don’t want to put the cart before the horse.”

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/10/1770319/florida-gov-crist-to-attend-fundraiser.html

  141. Rasmussen poll: Rubio leads Senate race if Meek is Dem nominee; Crist leads if it’s Greene

    by George Bennett | August 11th, 2010
    A new Rasmussen poll of Florida’s Senate race shows Republican Marco Rubio ahead in a three-way contest if Kendrick Meek wins the Aug. 24 Democratic primary. Rubio gets 38 percent, independent Charlie Crist gets 33 percent and Meek gets 21 percent in the poll.

    If Jeff Greene wins the Democratic primary, the poll shows Crist barely edges Rubio by picking up some Democratic support. That scenario shows Crist with a 37-to-36 percent lead over Rubio and Greene at 20 percent.

    The poll of 750 likely voters has a 4 percent margin of error.

    Either way, the Democrat finishes a distant third in the new poll. Both Crist and Rubio probably enjoyed Tuesday’s Orlando Democratic debate, in which both Meek and Greene highlighted each other’s negatives.

  142. confloyd
    August 14th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
    MOP, How convenient! How many folks swim where the restaurant is??? I am not convinced he swam in the water.

    I also would like that BP head and his family to swim in the water. The first BP guy, the Brit!
    ______________

    I’d be a little happier if they swam on a beach in New Orleans, the area that got the brunt of everything.

  143. Bill will be here Monday at the community center in Delray Beach (see Jewish vote). It is an open event but I received a call for the meet and greet for a donation . Meeks, who did stand by Hillary, was here in Boca during the primaries at a fundraiser with Bill which we atteneded. I am sure this is Bill paying Kendrick back for his loyalty. I am, however, going to skip this one as I just can’t support any democrat at this time.

  144. Underneath Lebanon, Israel sees hidden battlefield

    By MATTI FRIEDMAN (AP) – 8 hours ago

    MOUNT ADIR, Israel — With tensions mounting along their shared border, Israel’s military says Hezbollah is moving fighters and weapons into the villages of south Lebanon, building up a secret network of arms warehouses, bunkers and command posts in preparation for war.

    The Israeli military has begun releasing detailed information about what it calls Hezbollah’s new border deployment, four years after a cross-border raid by its guerrillas triggered a 34-day war.

    A reminder of the volatility came on August 3, when Lebanese troops fired at Israeli soldiers clearing brush on their side of the border. One Israeli officer was killed, another badly wounded, and a retaliatory helicopter strike killed two Lebanese soldiers and a reporter.

    Hezbollah, which is armed by Iran and Syria and is more powerful than the Lebanese military, stayed out of the Aug. 3 fight. But its leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, threatened that he would intervene next time. He has also said that if war breaks out again his forces will fire rockets into Tel Aviv.

    Neither side has signaled that another war is imminent, but the Israelis’ unusual openness about what they claim to know of Hezbollah’s preparations seems to have two goals: to show the reach of their intelligence, and to stake their claim that if another war breaks out and many civilians die, it will be because Hezbollah placed its armaments and fighters in their midst.

    Israel’s military says Hezbollah has changed strategy since the last war, moving most of its fighters and weapons from wooded rural areas into villages. It says the aim is to avoid detection and use to civilians for cover if war erupts.

    The military says all of this exists under the nose of 12,000 international peacekeepers who, by their own count, conduct up to 340 patrols a day in south Lebanon but are hobbled by a hostile population and rules preventing them from searching private property.

    In an interview with The Associated Press on Mount Adir, a hill overlooking the border, an officer from the military’s Northern Command pointed through the summer haze at the village of Aita al-Shaab.

    One of its southernmost buildings, a white structure housing mentally handicapped children, is a Hezbollah lookout post, the officer said. Several guerrilla command posts are in civilian buildings in the center of Aita al-Shaab, she said, with several dozen fighters able to move among houses through underground tunnels. The military would not allow her name to be used because of the sensitivity of her job.

    The village also houses a network of warehouses holding arms trucked in from Iran via Syria, she said, some in stand-alone structures and some in smaller stashes in garages, basements and buried under backyards.

    The officer said the guerrillas now have 5,000 fighters operating in the buffer zone between the border and the Litani River — a strip ranging from 5 kilometers to 30 kilometers (3 miles to 18 miles) wide — which is supposed to be free of militant activity under the 2006 cease-fire. In late 2009, Nasrallah said Hezbollah’s rocket arsenal stood at 30,000. Israel says it’s now about 40,000.

    Israel’s intelligence probably comes from surveillance flights over Lebanese territory, spy satellites and Lebanese agents. But the military provides no proof of its claims, saying that could compromise its sources, and the peacekeeping force says it sees no evidence of new military infrastructure. Hezbollah officials did not respond to requests for comment on Israel’s accusations.

    It’s difficult to independently confirm the allegations on the ground. The south Lebanese, mostly Shiite like Hezbollah, tend to support the movement and rarely criticize it publicly or volunteer information. Hezbollah members or supporters often attach themselves to journalists entering villages, shadowing them and discouraging photography.

    South Lebanon is festooned with posters of the bearded, turbaned Nasrallah, but the only visible hint of Hezbollah fighters are the bearded men in civilian clothes who travel on motorbikes or in cars and occasionally approach reporters working in the area.

    In July, looking to build its case that Hezbollah is digging in among civilians, the military released maps, photographs and a 3-D simulation of the streets and houses of another Lebanese town, Khiam.

    The simulation shows one arms storeroom, a squat, freestanding building colored red, located 130 meters (150 yards) from a school, colored blue. A map on the military’s Web site purports to pinpoint 12 arms storerooms and three command posts in the town.

    The Israeli implication is clear: If another war erupts, many civilians will die.

    In 2006, Israel responded to the Hezbollah border raid with a heavy bombardment of the south and then invaded, while Hezbollah fired thousands of rockets into northern Israel. The fighting killed 160 Israelis and around 1,200 Lebanese, according to official counts from each side. Israelis were dismayed to find their military suffering from organizational and supply problems, and were infuriated by international censure over the civilian death toll. That criticism was repeated even more forcefully over Israel’s Gaza offensive two winters ago.

    But the Lebanon border has been largely quiet since 2006. Hezbollah has not fired a rocket in the past four years — though Palestinian militant groups have — and the Israeli officer killed in early August was the military’s first fatality on the frontier since 2006.

    UNIFIL, the international peacekeeping force, “has not found any evidence of new military infrastructure in its area of operations,” said spokesman Neeraj Singh. “Only on a few occasions, UNIFIL found armed elements in the area with personal weapons like AK-47s.”

    While saying UNIFIL had made “significant progress” in helping the Lebanese army secure the south, he acknowledged that the peacekeepers are barred from searching private property, where the Israelis say much of the evidence of the guerrillas’ presence would be found.

    Some indications of Hezbollah activity in the south have surfaced unintentionally. When a building at Khirbet Silim exploded on July 15, 2009, peacekeepers identified it as an actively maintained Hezbollah arms warehouse. Another storehouse blew up in October, the Israelis say, and in December, according to Singh, peacekeepers caught a “group of individuals” with about 250 kilograms (550 pounds) of explosives.

    UNIFIL’s performance has implications beyond south Lebanon. If the Israelis turn out to be right about the Hezbollah buildup, it will undermine their trust in international forces to police other volatile areas, such as Gaza and the West Bank, under a peace treaty.

    In preparation for a new round against Hezbollah, the Israeli military has simulated parts of south Lebanon at a training base called Elyakim, about an hour’s drive south from the border. A second facility in central Israel is nearing completion.

    One day in late July, near a mock Lebanese village of gray concrete, a company of sweating Israeli infantry recruits staged a maneuver through thick Lebanese-style undergrowth, complete with rockets hidden in the bushes and bombs camouflaged as rocks.

    A square metal cover on the earth opened onto a concrete tunnel where Lt. Natan Mann stood in the dark, drilling his men for the real thing.

    “The army has made tactical changes and changes in its mindset,” said Mann, 23, one hand on the plastic grip of his rifle. “We’re either at war, or we’re training for war.”

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h8eTyab-wqKvM5nE11fC7qrZXfSgD9HJDKVG1

  145. jbstonesfan,

    Thanks for the link. It is a very well written article and definitely on point.

    “If Iran were to “wipe the Zionist entity off the map,” as it vows to do, it would, Netanyahu believes, achieve a regional “dominance not seen since Alexander.”

    –I agree–

    Furthermore, given what is going on in Europe right now, i.e. Sweden turning a blind eye on the extreme antisemitism taking root in their country, I feel as if we are going through the mid-1930s again with all the fear and unbalance brought on by Hitler and his thugs.

  146. Furthermore, Will’s comment “Any Israeli self-defense anywhere is automatically judged “disproportionate.”… just makes me sick and livid at the same time.

  147. Shadowfax
    August 14th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
    nomobama

    I saw this on Hillbuzz and wanted to pass it along. Most are funny.

    ————
    Those were great, loved the one of MO walking down the aisle at Chelsea’s wedding in her raggedy ass shorts, and in Pamplona with the bulls.
    ==========================================================

    The “wedding crasher” image was my favorite. I think that the running with the bulls image was my second favorite, and then I really liked the one with Meechelle interrupting barack’s golf game. I just wish that one didn’t look so photoshopped, otherwise, it might have been my favorite. barack’s reaction in that image was funny, almost like he was saying “damn, I just missed her”! Lost in Rome was funny, too, but again, the photoshopped image of her was not that good in that particular image. Her running in front of the elephants was also funny because it looked like she was worried about stepping in some massive loads of sh!t. hahaha!

  148. Wolfe Blitzer is a liar then….he did as Crist about getting a fund raiser from democrats that include Bill and Hillary. They may not be putting on the fund raiser, but Wolfe sure alluded to the fact that Bill would be there.

    I never watch CNN, they made me sick all day with their racist crap against Dr. Laura. CNN is sure trying to get racial rioting starting because their black commentators are the ones who keep going over and over Dr. Laura’s statements. Of coarse, she had to apologize today, for what I don’t know. THey freaking put words in people’s mouths and then call them racists. Nothing has changed!

    I agree I won’t vote for the dumocrats this year either.

  149. Under an August moon burning above Barack’s first contradicts himself on the victory mosque, then does his I can swim in Florida stunt and after all that hard work its vacation its off to Martha’s vineyard for vacation no., 8. no. And there in the true spirit of Camelot he and Meeshall Antionette can sit around on the beach and wonder what do the simple folk do to help them escape when they’re blue because they have lost their jobs. Fortunately our hero and heroine do not ponder the issue too long because its party time for them that’s got.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27RZrsHuA6Q
    ————————————————————————————
    1. Last night Barack said this:

    Recently, attention has been focused on the construction of mosques in certain communities – particularly in New York. Now, we must all recognize and respect the sensitivities surrounding the development of lower Manhattan. The 9/11 attacks were a deeply traumatic event for our country. The pain and suffering experienced by those who lost loved ones is unimaginable. So I understand the emotions that this issue engenders. Ground Zero is, indeed, hallowed ground.

    But let me be clear: as a citizen, and as President, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country. That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country, and will not be treated differently by their government, is essential to who we are. The writ of our Founders must endure.

    Since he said it at Iftar, the meal kicking off Ramadan we can safely assume he was not swilling a bottle of wine when he came up with this gem.

    2. So here’s what he says today:

    But on Saturday, Obama seemed to contradict himself, telling reporters at one point, “I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there. I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding. That’s what our country is about. And I think it’s very important as difficult as some of these issues are that we stay focused on who we are as a people and what our values are all about.”

    Huh? Someone tell the boy that videotape and tape recorders caught what he said, and I quote:

    That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances.

    As Amy points out, if the Japanese buy land next to Pearl Harbor do they have the “right” to build a memorial to their war dead?

    Here comes the forward flip. Press flack Bill Burton subsequently rushed to the microphones to tell reporters:

    “Just to be clear, the President is not backing off in any way from the comments he made last night,” Burton said. “It is not his role as President to pass judgment on every local project. But it is his responsibility to stand up for the Constitutional principle of religious freedom and equal treatment for all Americans. What he said last night, and reaffirmed today, is that if a church, a synagogue or a Hindu temple can be built on a site, you simply cannot deny that right to those who want to build a mosque.”

    3. Question: So which is it Barack? A swell idea or just a local legal matter?

    4. The Politico goes on to report the consternation of some Dems:

    “I would prefer the president be a little more of a politician and a little less of a college professor,” former Rep. Martin Frost (D-Tex.), who once ran the House Democratic campaign arm, wrote in POLITICO’s Arena. “While a defensible position, it will not play well in the parts of the country where Democrats need the most help.”

    5. This is the August turd in the punch bowl moment. August is a slow month so, with a media starved for political grist, any faux pas or gaffe can become chum in the water attracting the sharks. Leave it to Barack and Michelle to really step in it. Meechelle Antoinette’s jaunt to Spain got things rolling. Their drive by in the Gulf completely eclipsed by Barack’s pandering to Muslims. And they are headed to Martha’s Vineyard to frolic with the wealthy while 60 million Americans are without a job or only working part time.

  150. The State Dept. lifted the ban on Adam Habib and Tariq Ramadan Jan 10,10, so why did CNN mention it today?? Probably to take our minds off what he said during the Ramadan dinner about the mosque!

  151. Behind reading the posts, but if it isn’t already here,

    this is your pResident Confloyd, in the Gulf with his young daughter…

    http://www.waltonsun.com/sections/article/gallery/?pic=1&id=86151&db=newsherald

    …the story on the news was there was such an uproar of him talking off his shirt for a photo in Hawaii, that he only would let a White House photographer take this photo.

    Since there were no newsfolks taking the photo, we don’t even know if it was taken in the Gulf or how long he was in the water. What a chickenshit, to take his little daughter in and hide behind her. Doesn’t look like he got his head wet either. Jerk!!

  152. YOU’VE GOT TO LOVE THIS RANCHER’S OUTLOOK & COMMON SENSE APPROACH TO LIFE.

    While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old rancher, who’s hand was caught in the gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man.. Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his role as our president.

    The old rancher said, ‘Well, ya know, Obama is a ‘Post Turtle”..

    Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him, what a ‘post turtle’ was.

    The old rancher said, ‘When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a ‘post turtle’.

    The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor’s face so he continued to explain. ‘You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he’s up there, he’s elevated beyond his ability to function, and you just wonder what kind of dumb ass put him up there to begin with’.

  153. Unfreaking believable. Local news is all ga ga bout shit face supporting a mosque. mean while in the real world populated by tax payers who see media for the joke it is.

    I know I can not do very much. But I am gonna make a little noise by celebrating King.

  154. Keith McCullough: US Economy Near Point of No Return
    Friday, 13 Aug 2010 08:32 AM Article Font Size
    By: Dan Weil

    The Federal Reserve’s decision to expand its quantitative easing by purchasing more Treasuries is a dangerous one, says Keith McCullough, CEO of research firm Hedgeye.

    “That could lead the country to the brink of collapse,” he wrote in a Fortune magazine column.

    McCullough agrees with economists Carmen Reinhart and Ken Rogoff, who recently wrote that government debt in excess of 90 percent of GDP pulls down economic growth.

    “It’s a point from which it’s almost impossible to return,” McCullough wrote.

    Government debt will reach 62 percent of GDP by Sept. 30, the Congressional Budget Office predicts.

    “On July 2nd, we cut both our third quarter 2010 and full year 2011 GDP estimates for the U.S. to 1.7 percent,” McCullough says.

    “Now, even our estimate for 2011 is still too high. There will be a downward bias to our U.S. growth estimates as long as debt-financed-deficit-spending continues to be the solution politicians and central bankers turn to as a fix to our financial crisis.”

    Others have been critical of the Fed’s latest easing move too, comparing it to the Bank of Japan’s futile fight against deflation in 2001-06.

    “I don’t think anyone in the market is fooled” by the distinction between Fed policy now and BOJ policy then, Stephen Stanley, a former Fed researcher who is now chief economist at Pierpont Securities, told Bloomberg.

    “That is a problem, both substantively and also from a perception standpoint.”

    © Moneynews. All rights reserved.

  155. wbboei: Keith McCullough: US Economy Near Point of No Return. OMG
    ——————————————————-
    Well, in regard to another aspect of this debacle we call the Party of Democrats, the DCCC (?)is in the process of manufacturing more astroturf. I say this because I received a robocall from Congressman Chris Van Hollen (?) last evening. He encouraged me to host an open house later on this month so that the nation will not be returned to the terrible leadership of the party of George W. Bush. There is a place on a website for signups. The details I pass along are fuzzy because I did not care to take notes. The fact that they are still very much in the business of manufacturing grass roots is all I need to be passing along.

    Those of us with more hutzpah than I possess ought to sign up to host these open houses and proceed to set their guests straight!

  156. SIOA Lawsuit against NYC: Bloomberg’s MTA Refuses to Allow 911 Images: Bans Ground Zero Bus Campaign

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/08/sioa-lawsuit-against-nyc-bloombergs-mta-refuses-to-allow-911-images-bans-bus-.html

    Today we filed a lawsuit against the city of New York. Here is the complaint: Download Complaint–FDIvMTA–Filed_Stamped

    The city has refused to run my SIOA “Preservation of Ground Zero” bus campaign.

    It seems that Mayor Bloomberg invokes certain freedoms when it serves his 2012 agenda. Doing away with term limits wasn’t enough (which
    is why we are still suffering under his no-salt, no-transfat regime).
    He is now widening his ayatollah-like power grab to imposing blasphemy
    laws (Islamic sharia laws) on the secular marketplace. Bloomberg’s
    frenzied push may have inspired Al-Azhar clerics to oppose the Ground Zero Mosque, calling it a “a zionist plot.”

    Last month, I signed a contract with CBS Outdoor to run a “Preservation of Ground Zero” bus ad campaign. The campaign was paid for
    in full.

    Here is the ad I submitted:

    The ad was refused. I asked on what grounds. CBS Outdoor told me that the city said that “images of 911 were not
    allowed.” I was floored. I said, “It is American history. How can it be
    banned? What about Pearl Harbor? Is that censored too?” I said, “On what grounds is 911 images banned?” It is unconscionable. Will of CBS said, “You can’t run the plane.”

    I asked CBS/MTA to provide me with the guidelines for these seventh-century censorship restrictions. They never did. And so, with
    the help of talented and singular Big Fur Hat, I removed the plane and submitted this ad with this note:

    Will, Still waiting for the MTA guidelines. Please respond to my previous queries. Here is the new art …… please know that I
    strenuously object to you changing my artwork and my message in the
    process. It’s American history. I am floored. However, since you and/or
    the MTA are unwilling to change your position, I have no choice but to
    run the advertisement with your edits.

    CBS refused this ad as well. They said I had to remove the smoke. “The smoke?”

    When I spoke to CBS’s representative concerning the second rejection of my Ground Zero bus ad, he said that the MTA “doesn’t want to associate the new building with Ground Zero.” The showing of the burning buildings “hurts people.” “Hurts people?” I
    find bus ads proselytizing for Islam hurts apostates, are you going to
    take those bus ads down?

    I said, “Are you saying images of the largest attack on American soil are censored?” Are Pearl Harbor images censored? Gettysburg,too?

    He said, “The people behind the new building say it has nothing to do with Ground Zero.” I said, “So what? That’s what they say. Others think differently. You
    are telling me they have said it has nothing to do with Ground Zero. But
    they are on record repeatedly as saying they want it there for Ground
    Zero ‘healing’ and ‘outreach.'”

    I said, “Who cares what they say, what do they (Imam Rauf and Daisy Khan) have to do with running my ad? They dictate what can and
    cannot run?”

    He said, “It’s controversial.” I said, “How? Where are the guidelines that point to this, where are the guidelines that I have been
    asking for over a month? Give me the guidelines and I will adhere to
    them.”

    He said “I have been having a hard time getting the guidelines out of the MTA.” I said, “A hard time? Aren’t they written
    somewhere or posted somewhere? What are they?”

    I said, “What’s controversial? The ad merely says, ‘Why there?'” He said, “You are implying………..” I said, “Implying what? You are
    now going to tell me what I am thinking? Who is making these decisions?
    Who at the MTA or CBS is making these decisions? The MTA is a government
    agency — and you can’t provide me with guidelines but I am being held
    hostage to the capricious whim of some flak at the MTA? I am an
    advertiser. I bought and paid for an ad a month ago and you cannot point
    me to any substance or set of rules for the basis of ad rejection.”

    I said, “I took out the plane as requested — now what’s the problem?” He said the flames. I said, “What would be ok? Just the towers
    alone?” He said yes. I said “OK, I will create another ad with just the
    towers.” He said, “Before you do that, let me run down the hall and ask
    if that’s OK.” I said, “With who?” He said, with his VP.

    And so I took out the smoke and submitted this ad:

    CBS, on behalf of the MTA, said, “Remove the plane.”

    Will of CBS said he was “meeting obstacles” but he was “trying to help me.” He said, “Get me an ad a/s/a/p without smoke, without any
    flames — just the towers.”

    And so, I submitted another planeless ad, stating emphatically,

    “I object to this censorship, which is effectively editing the viewpoint I am attempting to express in my message, but if this is
    the only choice you are giving me, then run the ad without the plane.
    It’s a plane in the sky, far removed. Planes do fly in the sky.”

    Needless to say, I am still awaiting approval from the MTA.

    Today my legal team of David Yerushalmi and Robert Muise filed suit against NYC.

    The complaint against the New York Metropolitan Transportation Authority has now been filed. It alleges violation of FDI’s (and Pamela
    Geller’s and Robert Spencer’s) Free Speech rights under the First &
    Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution.

    In essence, and it is laid out clearly in the complaint with clear illustrations in the exhibits, the MTA decided that it was going
    to accept the “viewpoint” of Imam Rauf and his Islamist co-conspirators –
    to wit, that their plan to develop the Ground Zero Mosque has nothing
    to do with marking the “victory” marked by the destruction of human life
    and property on 9-11. Literally, the MTA made it its business to decide
    which of many viewpoints it would deem politically correct speech for
    advertisements on its buses.

    What makes this jihad against free speech so egregious is that the MTA has run any number of controversial religious and political ads
    without batting an eyelid. But as soon as the Shariah-faithful cowed
    Mayor Bloomberg and the MTA into dhimmi-like submission, the First
    Amendment to the Constitution gave way to Shariah’s blasphemy laws. How
    long before the Mayor’s office begins issuing fatwas against those who
    dare counter the “noble and peaceful outreach” narrative?

    Mr. Mayor and your colleagues at the MTA and the Landmark Commission: New Yorkers will not forget 9-11 and we will not be cowed
    into submission or silence. You might not want to hear our voices, but
    the federal courts will require you to listen. You claim the mantle of
    the Constitution as a basis for supporting a Shariah-Islamist mosque at
    Ground Zero, yet the MTA—a government agency of the City—cavalierly
    denies “infidels” freedom of speech. Enough is enough. (David Yerushalmi)

  157. Please post video, admin, when you have a chance: 🙂

    Mosque Backlash and fresh thinking from Pam Geller:

  158. Another long and detailed background of the person now running our country into the hands of theives cheats liars traitors and christian hating enemies.Impeachment must take place soon or we will never again enjoy a democracy living a good life and respecting our great CONSTITUTION.Hillary you must announce your when you feel the time has come.

    Monday, May 26, 2008
    Pringle Cliff Notes: Barack Obama – Operation Board Games for Slumlords
    This is the first in a series of condensed articles on “Operation Board Games” written by Evelyn Pringle, a columnist for OpEd News and an investigative journalist focused on exposing corruption in government and corporate America. The full version of “Barack Obama—Operation Board Games for Slumlords” can be read here.

    ——————————————————————————–

    Key: From the start, financing deals in the Chicago real estate industry were the focus of the Federal investigation which lead into the investigation dubbed Operation Board Games.

    Key: Daniel Mahru has been cooperating in the Board Games investigation since 2005. Allison Davis is involved in an extortion attempt in one of the pension fund schemes.

    Cliff Notes: Barack Obama – Operation Board Games For Slumlords

    Obama says he met Tony Rezko when he got a call right out of the blue from David Brint, after he was elected president of the Harvard Law Review, wanting to know if he would be interested in working for Rezko’s real estate development company, Rezmar.

    Because they read he was interested in community development work, Obama says, Rezko and his two partners, Daniel Mahru and Brint, met with him to discuss the job. “I said no, but I remained friendly with all three of them,” Obama said in the Chicago Tribune on November 1, 2006. “All three of them remained great contributors of mine,” he added.

    And so they did. According to the latest tally given during interviews with the Tribune and Sun-Times on March 14, 2008, the amount attributed to Rezko went from a claim of $50,000 or $60,000 a year ago, to Rezko raising roughly $250,000.

    Rezmar owners, Rezko and Mahru, had plenty of money. By 1998, Rezko had a reported net worth of $34 million and Mahru was worth $14.6 million, according to the “Rezmar who’s who list,” published in the April 24, 2007 Sun-Times.

    After turning down the surprise job offer, Obama just happened to get hired at the small 12-attorney Davis, Miner & Barnhill law firm in 1993, which just happened to represent Rezmar. And then a couple years later, Rezko’s companies just happened to appear on the first contributions made to the “Friends of Obama” committee to launch his political career as a state senator.

    On March 14, 2008, when asked by the Sun-Times whether politics was mentioned at his first meeting with Rezko, Obama stated: “Quite frankly, I don’t recall. I think it was talking about the possibility of me working for him.”

    The Davis firm served as a hub for the Rezmar slumlord business for a decade before founding attorney, Allison Davis, quit and became partners with Rezko full-time.

    Mayor Richard Daley took office in 1989 and Rezmar got its first city loan of $629,000 the same year, even though Rezko and Mahru had no construction experience. Rezmar stopped making the $2,982 payments three years later and missed 16 payments before the city changed the terms so Rezmar would only pay $465 a month, according to the Times.

    Governor Jim Edgar appointed Mahru to the Illinois Affordable Housing Advisory Commission in 1993, which helps decide which projects get state funds,

    About the same time that Rezko started funding Obama’s Illinois senate campaign, Rezmar began developing low-income housing with three non-profit groups, which were also represented by Davis, including the Chicago Urban League, the Woodlawn Preservation and Investment Corp, and the Fund for Community Redevelopment and Revitalization.

    Bishop Arthur Brazier, described as “a powerful ally of the mayor” by the Sun-Times, founded the Woodlawn Preservation Corp and the Fund for Community Redevelopment.

    Allison Davis was the treasurer for Woodlawn when the group went into business with Rezmar and he also served on the board that ran the Fund for Community Redevelopment.

    By the time Rezmar started working with the non-profits, earlier projects were having major problems, including tenants without heat for five weeks in one building between December 1996 and February 1997. The city had to sue to get the heat turned back on and in fact, has sued Rezmar for failing to heat buildings at least a dozen times, the Times says.

    The Times reported that Obama got a $1,000 donation from Rezmar on January 14, 1997, while the tenets were without heat. Records show Obama also received a $1,000 contribution from Rezko Concessions, a day earlier on January 13, 1997.

    Rezmar and the non-profits rehabbed 15 buildings between 1995 and 1998. Each project involved loans from the city or state, federal low-income-housing tax credits and bank loans. The way it was set up, Rezko and Mahru always made out because Rezmar was paid part of the fees when a deal closed and the remainder when tenants moved in.

    The projects were supposed to provide housing for at least 25 years. “But the first deal Rezmar struck with the Woodlawn Preservation … collapsed in just six and a half years, when the state sued for foreclosure,” according the April 23, 2007 Times.

    Of the buildings managed by Rezko and Mahru, 17 ended up in foreclosure, six buildings are currently boarded up, hundreds of the apartments are vacant and in need of major repairs, and taxpayers are left stuck with millions in unpaid loans, the Times reports.

    On April 26, 2007, the Sun-Times reported that Chicago aldermen were accusing the Daley administration “of being asleep at the switch while low-income housing projects developed by the now-indicted Tony Rezko collapsed into disrepair.”

    “The spigot of loans, grants and tax credits should have been cut off when the first of 30 taxpayer-supported Rezko buildings in Chicago fell into disrepair,” the aldermen said.

    Instead, a “Sun-Times investigation showed that the city, state and federal governments kept the gravy train rolling — to the tune of $100 million between 1989 and 1998.”

    “They were going after people for being slum landlords in one department and loaning them money in another,” said Alderman Freddrenna Lyle.

    David Brint now owns Brinshore Development. He told the Times that he quit Rezmar four years after the company got its first deal with city because it did not find money for repairs. Brint and his partners have taken over four failed Rezmar buildings — “in one case paying the city $1 million to settle a $4 million loan made to Rezmar,” the Times says.

    In February 2007, David Brint gave Obama $4,600, and his wife, Elizabeth gave contributed $2,300. Brint also hosted a fundraiser for Obama in June 2007. Elizabeth donated a couple thousand in 2002 and $2,000 in 2003 as well.

    As a state senator, “Obama wrote letters to city and state officials supporting his political patron Tony Rezko’s successful bid to get more than $14 million from taxpayers to build apartments for senior citizens,” the June 13, 2007 Sun-Times reported

    “”I am writing in support of the New Kenwood LLC’s proposal to build a ninety-seven unit apartment building at 48th and Cottage Grove for senior citizens,” Obama wrote in October 28, 1998 letters to both city and state housing officials. “This project will provide much needed housing for Fourth Ward citizens.” New Kenwood was set up as a “minority owned” company, where Davis owned 51% and Rezko 49%.

    The deal included $855,000 in development fees for Rezko and Davis, while Obama was still working at the Davis law firm. Although the firm represented several companies owned by Davis and Rezko when Obama wrote the letters, the firm did not represent New Kenwood. Davis and Rezko instead hired a firm owned by Mayor Daley’s brother Michael, “to help them get $3.1 million from bonds issued by the city,” according to the Sun-Times

    “”In addition to the development fees, a separate Davis-owned company stood to make another $900,000 through federal tax credits,” the Times noted.

    The development opened in 2002 and was supposed to be managed by William Moorehead & Associates. William Moorehead was also a client of the Davis firm and a business partner of Davis. In April 2007, Moorehead told the Times that his company was dropped from the deal before the apartments opened. The apartments are now managed by a company owned by Davis’ son, Cullen Davis, according to the Times.

    In a 2006, Moorehead pleaded guilty and admitted stealing more than $600,000 from the Island Terrace and other federally subsidized projects. During the period when Moorehead was stealing, the Times reports, he lent Davis $100,000.

    Davis sent Moorehead a letter on June 15, 2000, saying the sale and refinancing of one of their projects had been delayed: “I need to borrow $100,000 from the Island Terrace resources.” As part of a plea deal, Moorehead is cooperating in a federal investigation.

    Gary Poter owned the construction company that rehabbed all of Rezmar’s buildings. He was stabbed to death in May 2006, by a disgruntled employee, according to the Sun-Times “Rezmar who’s who” list. Back on March 3, 2004, Poter donated $2,000 to Obama’s senate campaign and on July 19, 2004, he gave Obama another $1,000.

    Mayor Daley made Thomas McNulty, the attorney who acquired buildings for Rezmar, president of the Chicago Low-Income Housing Trust Fund, a charity that doles out tax dollars to subsidize rent payments for the poor. Rezmar received more than $2.7 million from this charity fund, according to the April 24, 2007 Sun-Times.

    Obama began serving on the board of a Chicago charity foundation, the Woods Fund, the same year he was hired at the Davis law firm. In 2000, Davis went to Wood to help fund his plans to build low income housing. Obama voted to invest $1 million in Neighborhood Rejuvenation Partners, a $17 million partnership that Davis still operates, according to a report in the November 29, 2007 Sun-Times.

    Davis used some of the money to build an apartment building for senior citizens, a $10 million project built with a $5.7 million city loan, which earned Davis nearly $700,000 in development fees. Davis’ son Cullen is paid to manage the building, which opened three years ago with a ceremony featuring Mayor Daley, according the Times.

    “Davis has gotten deal after deal from the mayor, helping to make Davis one of the city’s top developers,” Tim Novak noted in the November 7, 2007 Sun-Times.

    Another example of a Chicago version of a minority-owned business is DV Urban Realty Partners, where Davis owns 51% and Robert Vanecko, Daley’s nephew, owns 49%.

    According to the September 23, 2007 Sun-Times, all total, the city-connected pension funds gave DV Urban $68 million. The first investor was the Chicago Teachers Pension Fund, but the board members say they did not learn that DV Urban was owned by the Mayor’s nephew until 6 months after they voted to approve the investment.

    Davis and Vanecko had received $1 million in management fees and they are “guaranteed at least $3 million in management fees and could make as much as $8.4 million before the pension deal ends on Dec. 31, 2014,” the Times reports.

    Davis and his partners have received more than $100 million in taxpayer subsidies to build and rehab apartments and homes over the past 10 years and have made at least $4 million in development fees, according to the Times.

    A cursory review of campaign records shows Davis and his family members giving close to $16,000 to Obama’s presidential campaign. The Sun-Times reports that Davis has donated more than $400,000 to dozens of political campaigns, and the top beneficiaries include Mayor Daley, Governor Rod Blagojevich and Obama.

    Daly appointed Davis to the Chicago Plan Commission in 1991, where he stayed until January 2006. The Commission must approve, disapprove or defer any proposal by a public body or agency “to acquire, dispose, or change any real property within the territorial limits of the city,” according to its web site.

    Davis helped Rezmar win approval for two major developments as a member of the Commission, even though the two were business partners. The first vote involved a housing development along the Chicago River at Irving Park Road. The second was in March 2004, for the approval of Rezmar’s proposal for the 62 acre South Loop project, Riverside Park. This deal collapsed shortly before Rezko was indicted in October 2006.

    Kelly King Dibble was a vice president at Rezmar and she became the executive director of the Illinois Housing Development Authority. She is now an attorney with the Northern Trust Company, the same company that financed Obama’s mansion.

    Velma Butler, an investor in Rezko’s 62 acre Riverside Park project, also serves on the Illinois Housing Authority. She donated $1,000 to Obama’s US Senate campaign in 2003.

    On October 1, 2006, Daley appointed Martin Nesbitt chairperson of the Chicago Housing Authority. The CHA was created for “the purposes of engaging in the development, acquisition, leasing, operation, and administration of a Low Rent Housing Program and other federally assisted programs,” according to the agency’s 2005 annual financial report.

    Nesbitt succeeded Sharon Gist Gilliam, according to the CHA web site. Gilliam is a former board member of Rezmar. Daley appointed Nesbitt to the Housing Authority on July 9, 2003, and he served as vice chairperson of the Board since January 17, 2006.

    Nezbitt is also vice president of the Pritzker Realty Group, where he procures new real estate investment opportunities, retail investments and developments for the Group, according to the CHA web site. The Huffington Post site shows tens of thousands of dollars donated to Obama from people with the last name Pritzker around Chicago but many are listed as homemaker or not employed or information requested, so its impossible to sort them out.

    Nesbitt is treasurer for Obama’s presidential campaign according to the Center for Public Integrity. Over his career, Nesbitt has contributed over $10,000 to Obama campaigns.

    Michelle Obama was hired as an assistant in Daley’s office by Valerie Jarrett, Daley’s deputy chief of staff in 1991. Daley then appointed Jarrett chairman of the Office of Planning and Development and Michelle became her assistant there. Jarrett is now CEO of the real estate development and management firm, called Habitat, which manages the housing program for the Chicago Housing Authority.

    Jarrett was appointed chairman of the University of Chicago Medical Center Board in June 2006, and chairman of a newly created Executive Committee of that Board, according to a June 13, 2006 University announcement. In addition, Jarrett was named vice-chair of the University’s Board of Trustees, the announcement states.

    Michelle landed a job at the University of Chicago Hospital. Two months after Obama became a senator, she was made a vice president. Tax returns show the promotion nearly tripled her pay to $317,000 in 2005, from $122,000 in 2004.

    Susan Sher was corporation counsel in the Daley Administration when Michelle was hired. Sher is now Michelle’s boss at the University of Chicago, says the April 22, 2007 Tribune.

    The Commission on Chicago landmarks “is responsible for recommending to the City Council that individual buildings, sites, objects, or entire districts be designated as Chicago Landmarks, thereby providing legal protection,” according to the government web site. Daley appointed Michelle to serve on the Landmark Commission. The current chairman of the Commission is Daley’s former chief of staff, David Mosena.

    Mosena was a member of Obama’s Senate Finance Committee in 2004. Other members included Valerie Jarrett, Tony Rezko, Rita Rezko, and Allison Davis. The committee raised more than $14 million, according to the Sun-Times on April 23, 2007. Jarrett serves on Obama’s presidential finance committee.

    Rezko was backing Bush for reelection while he served on Obama’s senate campaign. He co-hosted a $3.8 million Chicago fundraiser for Bush in 2003, and on December 9, 2003, he donated $4,000 to Bush, listing himself as a “self-employed businessman,” and gave another $2,000 on December 19, 2003, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

    Mayor Daley’s brother Bill is currently an Obama advisor. The Mayor’s chief image defender, David Axelrod, is a top strategist for Obama and was also the media consultant for Obama’s US Senate campaign.

    On April 1, 2007, Dick Simpson, a former Chicago alderman and chairman of the political science department at the University of Illinois, told the New York Times: “Axelrod’’s mostly been visible in Chicago in the last decade as Daley’s public relations strategist and the guy who goes on television to defend Daley from charges of corruption”.

    Corruption within the Daley administration has no beginning and no end. The Feds arrested 15 more people in Chicago this week, including developers, contractors and city employees. “A mole wore a wire for a year while acting as a bagman carrying bribes from developers and contractors to Chicago building inspectors, exposing systemic corruption in the Zoning and Buildings Departments,” according to a May 22, 2008 Tribune report.

    Evelyn Pringle can be contacted at evelyn-pringle@sbcglobal.net.

  159. A robocall from Congressman Chris Van Hollen (?) last evening. He encouraged me to host an open house later on this month so that the nation will not be returned to the terrible leadership of the party of George W. Bush.
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    holdthemaccountable,, Van Hollen is a post turtle as well i.e. ” he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he’s up there, he’s elevated beyond his ability to function, and you just wonder what kind of dumb ass put him up there to begin with’. The world around him is far worse than it was when the big post turtle Obama took office, and all he can do is threaten us that if we do not act we will return to the policies which were bad but less harmful to the nation than what we have now? The argument is a non sequitur and the hope/change mantra is dead as a door nail. The danger for the dims in convening these open house parties like they did in 2008 is the discussions will drift away electing democrats and toward a more productive discussion of how Obama has broken his promises, which provides little incentive to vote for dims. Van Hollen succeeeded Connie Morrell who was a Republican but was if I recall correctly favorable disposed toward the Clinton Admininistration. Van Hollen is a silver spoon baby friendly to Obama.

  160. Turkey Gases Kurds and the World is Silent

    Sunday, August 15, 2010

    While Israel is feeling the heat from multiple international probes into its May 31 commando raid on a Gaza-bound flotilla, Turkey is now reported to have used chemical weapons against its Kurdish population, and yet the world remains silent.

    Germany’s Der Spiegel newspaper reports that German experts have confirmed Turkey’s use of chemical weapons against at least eight members of Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) fighters in September 2009.

    The story has been covered in the Israeli and Armenian media, but has attracted scant attention elsewhere.

    Meanwhile, Kurds are being killed with the help of Israeli-made spy drones as Israel maintains its high-level military cooperation with Turkey.

    Meanwhile, Turkey is reportedly planning to transfer weapons to Hezbollah. Since Turkey has access to the latest Israeli and NATO technology, the next Israel-Hezbollah war could be that much more devastating.

    As of yet, no calls for an investigation have been heard from the Western media, governments or the UN.

    http://www.worldjewishdaily.com/turkeykurds.php

  161. The political genius of Barack Obama knows no bounds. At a time when he should be focusing on jobs and the economy–or at least project the appearance that he is, he decides instead to leap head long into this mosque debate which is a distraction at best. Worse he jumps into it on the wrong side. But even worse than that he jumps in, then he jumps out, then he summons his claptrap bullshit bill burton to further obfuscate. Then he does a publicity stunt of swimming in safe waters off Florida to prove that they are safe and that he can swim. Finally, he gathers up Meeshall Antoinette and off they go for an eight vacation in Martha’s Vineyard where he will be meeting with Soros cronies like Robert Wolf and asking them what do I do now boss? I am beginning to think he is worse than a flake.

  162. Great article detailing Muslim precepts towards other religions and their historical brutality inflicted on Jews. This mosque is a slap across the face of Lady Liberty and American traditions if it is allowed to stand.
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    A Mosque in New York for a Christian Church in Mecca

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/a-mosque-in-new-york-for-a-christian-church-in-mecca/

    Pajamas Media ^ | August 15, 2010 | Leon De Winter

    The principal mosque in Rome has a surface area of 30,000 square meters and can hold thousands of believers. The Christian church of Mecca has a surface area of zero square meters and can hold zero believers. In fact, there is no Christian church in Mecca. In other words, Rome is an open city and Mecca is a closed city.

    There has never been opposition by Muslims to the exclusive character of Mecca. Their main sanctuary is located there, and it is forbidden for non-believers to cross the city limits. No other sanctuary of any world religion is closed to members of different creeds. The Western Wall in Jerusalem, the Jews’ holiest site, can be visited by anyone — Muslims, Christians, or Buddhists. The Basilica of Saint Peter in the Vatican, the center of the Roman Catholic religion, is open to any person that wishes to visit its splendor. Hindu and Buddhist temples welcome anyone who walks in, but not the Muslims’ main mosque.

    Muslims claim that their religion contains the final message of God and that all other religions express falsehoods, lies, and distortions — which means that adherents to other religions cannot be accepted as equal human beings with the same rights. Churches are banned in Saudi Arabia. In “modern” Turkey, it is, in reality, impossible to renovate an old Christian church, let alone create one. In a traditional Islamic country, adherents of different religions who refuse to accept Muhammad as their prophet have to live a life with restrictions and special rules. They are the so-called “dhimmis” — people who believe in a single God but who should be treated with special restrictions because of their refusal to follow the prophet Muhammad.

    In the Western world, Muslims claim the same rights as other believers. Although it is perfectly normal to them that their holiest site is forbidden to non-believers, they demand that nations in which other religions dominate grant them space and opportunity to build their mosques. The idea that this could be reciprocal is virtually unknown in Muslim communities since Islam is the superior creed and, by Allah’s word, should reign over the earth and over all the other religions.

    Reciprocity would be like a denial of Allah’s word.

    It speaks for itself that Muslims will try to build a mosque close to one of America’s most sacred sites, the area of the World Trade Center. They expect non-believers to step back and bow to their demands. The whole world should be open to Muslims, while in the Islamic world different religions should be restricted and controlled.

    In The Jews of Islam, Bernard Lewis writes:

    The claim to tolerance, now much heard from Muslim apologists and more especially from apologists for Islam, is also new and of alien origin. It is only very recently that some defenders of Islam have begun to assert that their society in the past accorded equal status to non-Muslims. No such claim is made by spokesmen for resurgent Islam, and historically there is no doubt that they are right. Traditional Islamic societies neither accorded such equality nor pretended that they were so doing. Indeed, in the old order, this would have been regarded not as a merit but as a dereliction of duty. How could one accord the same treatment to those who follow the true faith and those who willfully reject it? This would be a theological as well as a logical absurdity.

    The people wishing to build a mosque close to where the World Trade Center towers fell, have called their organization the Cordoba Initiative. On its website, they state:

    Cordoba Initiative (CI) aims to achieve a tipping point in Muslim-West relations within the next decade, steering the world back to the course of mutual recognition and respect and away from heightened tensions.

    Cordoba refers to the Spanish town of Cordoba. In the 8th century, Muslims conquered the south of Spain and massacred many thousands of non-believers. Around 1100, the Muslim jurist Ibn Abdun formulated the following legal opinions:

    No Jew or Christian may be allowed to wear the dress of an aristocrat, nor of a jurist, nor of a wealthy individual; on the contrary they must be detested and avoided. It is forbidden to [greet] them with the [expression], “Peace be upon you.” In effect, “Satan has gained possession of them, and caused them to forget God’s warning. They are the confederates of Satan’s party; Satan’s confederates will surely be the losers!” A distinctive sign must be imposed upon them in order that they may be recognized and this will be for them a form of disgrace.

    In 1011, Muslims massacred the Jews of Cordoba. In 1066, in Granada, 4,000 Jews were killed in one day by Muslims. Despite the terrible bloodshed, there were periods of relative tolerance towards Christians and Jews in Al Andalus, but never based upon mutual recognition and respect but always under Muslim sovereignty.

    However, the people behind the Cordoba Initiative can make a historic gesture. They should finance and build a multi-confessional center. In their building, they should create a church, a synagogue, Hindu and Buddhist temples, space for unbelievers, and a mosque, equal in size and importance, in order to honor the victims of 9/11. Only then do they show “mutual recognition and respect.”

    But the most impressive gesture would be the creation of a church in Mecca. Muslims built a mosque in Rome, they have dozens of mosques in New York City, but they have cordoned off Mecca for non-Muslims. The Cordoba Initiative should build a church or a synagogue in Mecca. That is mutual recognition and respect with a lasting message. A mosque in New York for a church in Mecca.

  163. “The whole world should be open to Muslims, while in the Islamic world different religions should be restricted and controlled.”

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    Exactly.

  164. Obama’s spirited defense of the mosque at ground zero will adversely affect the election prospects of democratic candidates in battle ground states. One of the several purposes of this may well be to eliminate the remnants of the Clinton coalition within the party–many of whom are blue dogs. This possibility is partially validated by the exhortation of Fanny Mae hero Barney Frank for progressives to attack conservative democrats wherever there is a left wing alternative in the party. Nothing it seems can stop Obama from destroying the party and the country. In that sense his presidency is indeed historic.

  165. “The whole world should be open to Muslims, while in the Islamic world different religions should be restricted and controlled.”

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    Exactly

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    Religious freedom should be reciprocal. Perhaps the Saudis would be open to the prospect of a Christian Church in Mecca and a Synagogue in Medina. Undoubtedly, they are the money behind this victory mosque project. But it will be as difficult to trace as the money they contributed to get Obama into the oval office.

  166. I am sorry Mrs. Smith. I did not see the article you just posted. He is proposing the same thing. I guess it was obvious. This idea is what they call a Japanese no. In negotiations, that is a tactic where you say yes to a toxic proposal offered by your opponent, on condition that he accept an even more onerous condition which you attach to it by way of counter proposal. The Japanese have a cultural aversion to the word no, so they say yes but only on that condition.

  167. In The Jews of Islam, Bernard Lewis writes:

    The claim to tolerance, now much heard from Muslim apologists and more especially from apologists for Islam, is also new and of alien origin. It is only very recently that some defenders of Islam have begun to assert that their society in the past accorded equal status to non-Muslims. No such claim is made by spokesmen for resurgent Islam, and historically there is no doubt that they are right. Traditional Islamic societies neither accorded such equality nor pretended that they were so doing. Indeed, in the old order, this would have been regarded not as a merit but as a dereliction of duty. How could one accord the same treatment to those who follow the true faith and those who willfully reject it? This would be a theological as well as a logical absurdity.
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    Years ago I read one of his books. Lewis has a deeper understanding of the middle east than anyone.

  168. Shadowfax, He looks extremely skinny, his collarbone it sticking up and showing completely around his neck….he’s lost alot of weight.

    wbboei, he does seem he is intent on destroying the party as well as the whole USofA….AGREED!
    This is exactly what Brazoid said should happen to the dumbocrat party!

  169. Our president, our wonderful inspiring president, who despite the great demands place upon him by fate, destiny and a Motel 6 reservation in Martha’s vineyard has taken the time to impart to us more of his golden wisdom of the spheres. Just substitute the name Obama for Caligula and good Roman for good democrat, and you will have a piece of deathless prose which is better than anything his peach fuzzed speech writer can cobble together which is starting to get just a scoch dull, boring and dare I say it uninspiring.
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    Caligula: Treason!
    Proculus: Treason? I have always been loyal to you!
    Caligula: [laughs insanely] That IS your treason! You’re an honest man, Proculus, which means a bad Roman! Therefore, you are a traitor! Logical, hmm? Ha, ha, ha!

  170. Here is a novel idea for the mosque near ground zero. Let them raise money from American Muslims and people like mj, turndownobama and others of their ilk. Publish the list of donors prominently. No foreign (read Saudi) influence and money.

  171. Here is a novel idea for the mosque near ground zero. Let them raise money from American Muslims and people like mj, turndownobama and others of their ilk. Publish the list of donors prominently. No foreign (read Saudi) influence and money
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    That, together with an inscription which says this place of worship was erected on these hallowed grounds to repudiate terrorism in all forms including the one that happened on 9/11. The problem is no one will put their name to that. I wonder how many mosques they have in Martha’s Vineyard.

  172. Look at what has happened in Pakistan with Saudi (money cloaked in the guise of religion) influence. They seem to wreck havoc everywhere they go in the name of religion. I made a comment here weeks ago that the Cordoba initiative was a misnomer. It will live up to its name and their claim of Muslim goodwill only if they are as tolerant and allow Churches and Synagogues to be built in their own country.

  173. I think obama is going to rue giving that first speech about the mosque. Even though he stepped back the next day and the White House also tried to retract what he said, it is so apparent that they haven’t learned a damn thing. How often have they beaten their excuses to death only to look ridiculous.

  174. AP-GfK Poll: Independent voters sour on Democrats

    By ALAN FRAM and TREVOR TOMPSON (AP) – 2 hours ago

    WASHINGTON — Independents who embraced President Barack Obama’s call for change in 2008 are ready for a shift again, and that’s worrisome news for Democrats.

    Only 32 percent of those citing no allegiance to either major party say they want Democrats to keep control of Congress in this November’s elections, according to combined results of recent Associated Press-GfK polls. That’s way down from the 52 percent of independents who backed Obama over Republican Sen. John McCain two years ago, and the 49 percent to 41 percent edge by which they preferred Democratic candidates for the House in that election, according to exit polls of voters.

    Independents voice especially strong concerns about the economy, with 9 in 10 calling it a top problem and no other issue coming close, the analysis of the AP-GfK polls shows. While Democrats and Republicans rank the economy the No. 1 problem in similar numbers, they are nearly as worried about their No. 2 issues, health care for Democrats and terrorism for Republicans.

    Ominously for Democrats, independents trust Republicans more on the economy by a modest but telling 42 percent to 36 percent. That’s bad news for the party that controls the White House and Congress at a time of near 10 percent unemployment and the slow economic recovery.

    “People are just struggling, they need a job but there’s nowhere to get a job,” said independent Leilani Buxman, 55, of Greeley, Colo. Of Obama, she said, “It seems like he talks but he doesn’t do anything about it.”

    Both parties court independents for obvious reasons. Besides their sheer number — 4 in 10 describe themselves as independents in combined AP-GfK polling for April, May and June — they are a crucial swing group.

    To try winning them over, Republicans say they will contrast Obama’s campaign promises of change with the huge spending programs he’s approved. Democrats say they will warn independents that a GOP victory will revive that party’s efforts to cut taxes for the rich and transform Social Security into risky private investment accounts.

    Targeting independents is tricky, though, because the makeup of independents evolves over time.

    Their numbers have swollen from 3 in 10 two years ago, due partly to the weakened political loyalties that typify years without presidential elections. While some are conservatives dissatisfied with Republicans, similar numbers are disillusioned Democrats, underscoring a frustration with the party in power often seen when the economy is bad.

    Reflecting these conflicting dynamics, today’s independents are likelier to be minorities, conservatives, less educated, lower paid and from rural areas than they were in 2008. Sixty-seven percent think the country is heading in the wrong direction, compared with 59 percent of all voters who think so.

    “Why not stop bickering and do something. Pull together,” said Chip A. Hoeye, 54, of Fort Atkinson, Wis., an independent and Obama voter who says he doesn’t care which party controls Congress because of their constant battling.

    Independents trust Republicans far more than Democrats for handling national security, but give Democrats a 42 percent to 36 percent edge for dealing with health care — a potential sign that distrust over Obama’s signature issue is receding.

    Hope is not lost for Democrats.

    The AP-GfK polls show a narrow 44 percent to 41 percent overall preference for a Democratic Congress. The party is holding its 2008 edge among women and urban residents, and still splitting the vote of pivotal suburbanites and people earning $50,000 to $100,000.

    But less than three months from Election Day, independents aren’t the only part of Obama’s 2008 coalition that shows waning enthusiasm for a Democratic-controlled Congress.

    Other groups that supported Obama but show less fervor include young whites, unmarried women, people who live in the West, people earning under $50,000 a year, college graduates and urban whites. The falloff shows that Democrats have work to do with blocs the party hoped an Obama presidency would cement into dependable supporters.

    There’s even erosion among minorities. While 8 in 10 voted for Obama, fewer than two-thirds want a Democratic Congress, and 1 in 9 don’t care which party controls.

    Democrats are also losing further ground with GOP-leaning groups such as white men, married men and people earning over $100,000 a year.

    Ebbing support for Democrats, compared with the vote for Obama, partly reflects that a president’s popularity doesn’t necessarily help his party in Congress. It also comes as Obama’s own image has suffered: 49 percent approve of his job performance in the AP-GfK polls, compared with 67 percent who approved in February 2009, days after he took office.

    The data from the AP-GfK polls combines surveys conducted June 9-14, May 7-11 and April 7-12 by GfK Roper Public Affairs & Media. A total of 3,047 randomly chosen adults were interviewed by cell and landline telephone. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 2.4 percentage points.

    The exit poll for the November 2008 presidential election was conducted by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International for the AP and television networks in 300 precincts nationally. The data was based on 17,836 voters, including telephone polling of 2,407 people who voted early, and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 1 percentage point.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jRwrWSTLhypT4emby1sxKD4QdA9wD9HJTUFO0

  175. August 15, 2010

    Obama’s Beer Town Summit

    Phil Boehmke

    Tomorrow Barack Obama will take a break from his strenuous vacation schedule to fly into Milwaukee for a fundraiser with Mayor Tom Barrett. Apparently the Democratic gubernatorial hopeful hasn’t noticed the change in fortunes that now accompany the future former president’s endorsement. The ‘Beer Town’ summit will cost party loyalists $250 per mug and for those with deep pockets (and no sense of shame) an additional $10,000 for a picture with the photo-op czar himself.

    The location for the fundraiser has not been made public, but it is sure to draw Milwaukee’s party elite. It is not known if local favorites Peggy (boycott Arizona, wherever it is) West, Ieshuh (not the white man’s b***h) Griffin or Eugene (Journo list wannabe) Kane will be in attendance.

    Mr. Obama will also be in town to promote ‘The Summer of Recovery’ at a yet to be determined event in the Milwaukee area. If BHO’s handlers are still looking for a good venue to promote the regime’s economic success story I would like to make a few suggestions as a bi-partisan good will gesture.

    How about a chat with the adoring crowds of job seekers at the new Milwaukee Job Corps (pronounced CORE not CORPSE) Center. The center has been packing them in during ‘The Summer of Recovery’ as job loses in the metro area topped 5,000 in June alone.

    Maybe a talk with the union workers at Milwaukee icon Harley Davidson would prove interesting. With the legendary motorcycle company considering a move to shift manufacturing out of state unless the union will agree to desperately needed concessions, I’m sure that it would be a lively event.

    Hey, how about a stop at Kopp’s Frozen Custard in nearby Glendale for a discussion on tax cuts with store manager Scott Borkin. This should be a no-brainer for Mr. Obama, don’t ask for ice cream and refrain from calling Scott a “smart ass” and the trip would be deemed a success.

    The bingo hall at St. Rafael the Archangel in Milwaukee would have been a good choice, but the folks there may not in the best of moods. The Journal Sentinel reports.

    Witnesses said as many as three robbers wearing Halloween masks stormed into the hall shortly after 9 p.m. and at least one was armed with what appeared to be a handgun. One woman who had not played bingo at the church in years said one of the robbers put a handgun to her daughter’s face before grabbing her purse and fleeing.

    Somehow I don’t think hearing about three new jobs being created in Milwaukee Friday night would get a very positive response. Come to think of it does anyone know where Barry, Nancy and Harry were Friday night at 9 p.m. CDT?

    Perhaps Mayor Barrett can come up with a suitable place for a ‘Summer of Recovery’ photo op. One final suggestion, it would be a good idea to avoid the overwhelmed food pantries or areas where the city’s growing number of homeless tend to congregate.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/post_200.html

  176. Cornyn: Voters Will ‘Render Verdict’ On Obama’s Mosque Comments

    August 15, 2010

    Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) suggested today that President Barack Obama’s comments about a proposed mosque near ground zero in New York will be a campaign issue this fall.

    Cornyn, the chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, said on Fox News Sunday that Obama’s comments showed a disconnect with average Americans who want to be listened to, not lectured to.

    “The American people will render their verdict,” Cornyn said.

    Obama said Friday night that Muslims have the right to build a mosque in lower Manhattan, a few blocks from ground zero. Obama said America’s “commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable.”

    Cornyn said the decision on whether to allow a mosque on the site was, as Obama stated, a local issue. But Cornyn suggested Obama’s comments went to far.

    Cornyn also said he wanted to hear from New York’s two Democratic Senators on the issue.

    http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/eyeon2010/2010/08/cornyn-voters-will-render-a-ve.html

  177. It will live up to its name and their claim of Muslim goodwill only if they are as tolerant and allow Churches and Synagogues to be built in their own country.

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    Who is ‘they’? Cordoba House is a project of three people. How are these three to control what happens in ‘their own country’? Which country do you think is ‘their own’?

  178. confloyd said:
    Is the current healthcare put in by Obama really is essense Romneycare???

    ================

    So I’ve heard.

  179. Let them raise money from American Muslims and people like mj, turndownobama and others of their ilk.

    =================

    I wouldn’t donate. As a goodwill gesture, it’s a bad investment. It’s not working.
    Not necessarily their fault. Not fair to demonize them.

  180. WOW!!!!!!

    Check the 16,000 + commetns about the mosque at this yahoo site!

    http : // news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100814/ts_afp/uspoliticsreligionattacksobama_20100814172344

  181. Who is ‘they’? Cordoba House is a project of three people. How are these three to control what happens in ‘their own country’? Which country do you think is ‘their own’?

    ………………………….

    This is NOT being the project of just “3 people”. Projects like this are expressly funded from a lot of wealthy arab donors. Many arab countries have been forking out money for years in pushing the agenda and funding mosques, they have influence or are spreading their influence in their countries thats why there is a huge fund from the saudis being funneled to build super mosques around the world, you can probably bet the ones behind the London supermosque, which is also being battled against and this one will have very close ties.

    Let me tell you one thing about Muslims and I should know, i’ve lived in a muslim country long enough to know my way around the religion, a majority of muslims think of themselves muslims first and foremost and a native of a country second. The allegience is to Mecca not to the homeland or adopted country.

    The country i work and live in has some churches in the west but the attacks on them and priests has increased massively, go east and if you try and spread christianity, you’ll be lucky to get out alive. 5 people were tortured and murdered a few years back in the East before before being thrown from the 3rd floor windows.

    Muslims are lucky they can pray in the west, come here and you’ll find it very hard to practice your faith and the west tolerates tolerates that.

    The problem is that freedom wont last long here if the fundies get their way. We’re watching it closely.

    Don’t be fooled into thinking this is just 3 people funding a mosque, it goes deeper than that.

  182. Saudis have been trying to get a foothold with Indian Muslims forever. Look at the money flowing into Kashmir from the Saudis and the chaos it is causing. It was peaceful even after independence and as recently as the 80s and it was a mixed society with Hindu Pundits and Muslims living side by side. Parts of Pakistan were like that too. But now all the Hindus have been completely pushed out and chaos reign. I bring this up to show that the money that flows into these projects is not kosher. At the very least the people including the tolerant and the idealistic should ask questions.

    With ground zero mosque, if it is a such an innocent project by THREE people who call it the Cordoba initiative (a big name) then they should proudly and publicly defend what they want to achieve with this project. They should make all the funding sources public. They should even make space for a little church there as a memorial to the 9/11 victims (just like in Cordoba in mesquita cathedral). I want to hear them make their case loudly and clearly but so far have heard nothing.

  183. What bugs me is, they are doing everything in their power to get this mosque but yet this little church right in ground zero can’t get anything past planning to rebuild.

    http://www.stnicholasnyc.com/

    and read this http:// http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/nyregion/03trade.html?_r=1&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/B/Bagli,%20Charles%20V

    They have had nothing but delay after delay and obstruction after obstruction and they only want to rebuild thier 4 story church. Yet this 13 story one gets priority, thats real fucked up.

  184. “The story of the tiny St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church and its efforts to rebuild after the collapse of the World Trade Center is one of well-intentioned promises that led to endless negotiations, design disputes, delays and mounting costs.”

    Greeks are bankrupt and can’t funnel any money into building that church. (sarcasm alert)

  185. JanH
    August 15th, 2010 at 11:04 am
    August 15, 2010

    Obama’s Beer Town Summit

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/post_200.html
    ———————————————————
    That is powerful stuff. It isn’t just that Barack is indifferent to the fate of the American People. He is that of course and it shows whenever he speaks or acts. But the larger part of it is that Barack bless his heart is directly responsible for what is happening to them, much as he tries to avoid it by blaming everything on his predecessor, calling anyone who offers constructive criticism a racist while he and Michelle wallow in the lap of luxury. This is not a pretty picture and it will make all those house parties the brilliant Plough is planning look rather hopeless, unless cocaine is on the menu.

  186. pm317 said:
    Anybody know when the people trying to build the ground zero mosque bought that property?

    ———————

    For overview speculation see
    http://www.frumforum.com/is-the-911-mosque-a-publicity-stunt/comment-page-1#comment-138469

    Also http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/half_baked_mosque_8ItuaW0WIByZa5xZ0rCmpJ
    “They do own one building, the Burlington Coat factory, which they bought in 2009 for $4.8 million. [….] Sharif El-Gamal, the head of Soho Properties, first came forward in 2006 seeking to buy the empty building at 45-47 Park Place, said Melvin Pomerantz, whose family owned the property. [A family member] said she thought El-Gamal wanted to build condos, not a mosque — but he should build whatever he wants.”

    So that would support a case that the local promoters are in over their heads and anyone with enough money could take over the half-baked project and bake it as he likes.

    However both Frum and the NY Post story are negative toward the promoters and the project, and I haven’t seen the promoters’ side of the story. They sure needed a better press agent, though, to whom English is not a second language.

  187. The mystery deepens.

    Seriously, Where Is Imam Feisal … and What’s with His Web Site?

    http://pajamasmedia.com/claudiarosett/seriously-where-is-imam-feisal-and-whats-with-his-web-site/

    If you look past the rhetoric, the realities — or should I say the morphing unrealities? — of Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf’s Ground Zero mosque and Islamic center project grow ever more curious. Polls show that a majority of Americans, including New Yorkers, do not question the legal right of Rauf and his partners to go ahead with their plans. But a majority of Americans do find the choice of location an affront, a potentially in-your-face, abrasive, triumphalist statement, rather than an exercise in harmony and “bridge-building.” Amid the controversy, President Barack Obama and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg — while grandstanding about the need for government to steer clear of religious matters — have now both effectively endorsed the project. Obama, at a White House Ramadan dinner Friday night, went beyond enthusing about religious freedom, to zero in , quite specifically, on the right “to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan.”

    That sure sounds like the project of developer Sharif El-Gamal, and the Cordoba Initiative’s Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf and his wife Daisy Khan (whose last name on their nonprofit Cordoba Initiative’s federal tax returns of recent years is spelled not “Khan,” which she is now using, but “Kahn.”)

    Meanwhile, where in the world right now IS the imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf, who — as he prepares to raise $100 million for his Cordoba mosque and Islamic center — is now gathering these upmarket endorsements from Gracie Mansion and the White House? Do Bloomberg or Obama have any idea? Have they bothered to inquire?

    Because as I write this, on Saturday afternoon, all but the most generic details of Rauf’s location and travels are still a mystery, and have been for weeks. From Rauf, who left the U.S. weeks ago, and whom I last located very briefly by surprising him in late July with a phone call to his office in Malaysia (he got right back off the phone to resume an “important meeting”), there has been no direct word whatsoever.

    After something of an internal kerfuffle, Hillary Clinton’s State Department finally confirmed on Monday that Rauf will be spending Ramadan on a taxpayer-funded outreach tour of the Middle East, with stops hosted by the U.S. embassies in Qatar, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates (all these countries are bastions of Middle Eastern oil wealth). But as I write, I can find no listing of his schedule on the State Department site (as of Aug. 11, a spokesman was saying no further details are yet available), or on the sites on any of these embassies — not in Qatar, not in the UAE, nor in Bahrain. When I phoned all these embassies, plus the U.S. embassy in Saudi Arabia, last Monday (their time), asking for information about his visits, the only embassy where any U.S. official was even willing to speak on the record about Rauf’s travels was the Mission in Bahrain, where a spokesperson said he is expected on Aug. 19, but either could not or would not provide any further detail.

    So where right now is Rauf? Still in Malaysia? Sipping tea with who-knows-whom in the Middle East? Jetting between Southeast Asia and the Gulf at U.S. taxpayer expense?

    And while he’s on these travels, what’s going on with the web site of his Cordoba Initiative? Last week, after someone in his Malaysia office referred all questions back to his office in New York, the phone number and address of his office in Malaysia quietly vanished from the Cordoba web site. Roughly around the same time, as Anne Bayefsky noticed and explained in a Pajamas Media post this week, Rauf’s Cordoba Initiative web site also erased a photo showing Rauf meeting in Malaysia a while back with an Iranian official, Mohammad Javad Larijani — who, as Bayefsky explained, “was the Iranian official who defended Iran’s abysmal human rights record before the UN Human Rights Council in February and June of this year.”

    Friday evening, after Obama gave his de facto endorsement to Rauf’s Cordoba/Park 51 Ground Zero mosque and Islamic center project, I took another look at the morphing Cordoba Initiative web site, and discovered it now has a note on the main page saying “Website is currently under construction.” (Grab your screenshots now — parts of this site are already sliding down the Memory Hole).

    What’s going on? Why the vanishings of the Malaysian address, the Rauf-Larijani Iranian connection photo, and the elusive Imam Feisal himself? Have either Obama or Bloomberg made even the smallest effort to inquire about what use will be made, or by whom, of these de facto endorsements they are handing out?

    [Update: Politico reports that Obama is now saying he did not endorse the Cordoba project near Ground Zero. Hmmm… Obama’s comments sounded to me like a pretty specific endorsement … or are there other folks the rest of us have not yet heard about, who are currently buying private property near the Twin Towers site to build yet more mosques and Islamic centers?]

  188. Duplicate — trimming links to avoid the spam filter.

    pm317 said:
    Anybody know when the people trying to build the ground zero mosque bought that property?

    ———————

    For overview speculation see
    frumforum.com/is-the-911-mosque-a-publicity-stunt/comment-page-1#comment-138469

    Also nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/half_baked_mosque_8ItuaW0WIByZa5xZ0rCmpJ
    “They do own one building, the Burlington Coat factory, which they bought in 2009 for $4.8 million. [….] Sharif El-Gamal, the head of Soho Properties, first came forward in 2006 seeking to buy the empty building at 45-47 Park Place, said Melvin Pomerantz, whose family owned the property. [A family member] said she thought El-Gamal wanted to build condos, not a mosque — but he should build whatever he wants.”

    So that would support a case that the local promoters are in over their heads and anyone with enough money could take over the half-baked project and bake it as he likes.

    However both Frum and the NY Post story are negative toward the promoters and the project, and I haven’t seen the promoters’ side of the story. They sure needed a better press agent, though, to whom English is not a second language.

  189. Sorry, I should have trimmed both ends of the Frum link:
    frumforum.com/is-the-911-mosque-a-publicity-stunt

  190. Democrats furious at Obama over mosque flap, lol, like we didnt see that coming.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41069.html

    The White House on Saturday struggled to tamp down the controversy over President Barack Obama’s statements about a mosque near Ground Zero — insisting Obama wasn’t backing off remarks Friday night where he offered support for a project that has infuriated some families whose loved ones died in the Sept. 11 attacks.

    Obama’s comments placed him in the middle of the controversy over a Muslim group’s plans for a mosque near the site of the 2001 attack — and in turn, transformed an emotion-laden local dispute in New York into a nationwide debate overnight.

    Republicans pounced, amid early signs that the issue would seep into some state and congressional contests. “It is divisive and disrespectful to build a mosque next to the site where 3,000 innocent people were murdered at the hands of Islamic extremism,” said Florida GOP Senate candidate Marco Rubio. His opponent, Charlie Crist, a Republican turned independent, came out in support of Obama’s comments.

    And Democrats — at least some who were willing to comment — could barely contain their frustration over Obama’s remarks, saying he had potentially placed every one of their candidates into the middle of the debate by giving GOP candidates a chance to ask them point-blank: Do you agree with Obama on the mosque, or not?

    That could be particularly damaging to moderate Democrats in conservative-leaning districts, already 2010’s most vulnerable contenders.

    ……………………………..

    no shit sherlock

    “I would prefer the president be a little more of a politician and a little less of a college professor,” former Rep. Martin Frost (D-Texas), who once ran the House Democratic campaign arm, wrote in POLITICO’s Arena. “While a defensible position, it will not play well in the parts of the country where Democrats need the most help.”

    Adding to the political problem for Democrats were the mixed messages out of the White House.

  191. The Mosque and The Wisdom of Solomon (Red State, Vladimir)

    Is the Islamic community within its rights to build a mosque near Ground Zero? Probably so.

    But is justice served when we focus on rights?

    Consider the story of King Solomon in 1 Kings Chapter 3. The wise king was confronted with the case of two mothers; when the baby of one mother was accidentally smothered during the night, that mother switched babies. From Solomon’s perspective, both mothers had equal legal claim to the living child:

    24 Then the king said, “Bring me a sword.” So they brought a sword for the king. 25 He then gave an order: “Cut the living child in two and give half to one and half to the other.”

    26 The woman whose son was alive was filled with compassion for her son and said to the king, “Please, my lord, give her the living baby! Don’t kill him!”
    But the other said, “Neither I nor you shall have him. Cut him in two!”

    27 Then the king gave his ruling: “Give the living baby to the first woman. Do not kill him; she is his mother.”

    So how might Solomon answer this current request? I take a stab at the answer below the fold.
    “Sure. Build your mosque. But it’s important that it be done right.

    “So we need a model.

    “Pick the Middle Eastern capital of your choice: Amman, Damascus, Cairo, Riyadh, Teheran, … it makes little difference. Build your model mosque there, and dedicate it to the memory of the 3,000 innocents.

    “Dedicate it to the 343 firefighters and paramedics of the NYFD, to the 60 NYPD and Port Authority officers who selflessly gave their lives out of love and service to their fellow man. Make it a tribute to the heroes of United Flight 93. Yes, make it a tribute to the two dozen or so innocent Muslim victims of the unholy, misguided demons who committed this evil atrocity on the American people.

    “We’ll judge your application based on the peace and healing that flows from your model mosque. Given the sincerity of your mission, we’re sure it will be a great success.”

    Such a lesson was probably not covered during Mr. Obama’s 22 years in the Rev. Wright’s pews, conflicting as it does without the values of Liberation Theology. Naturally, as a lawyer, Mr. Obama focuses first on rights, but as the story shows, rights and justice are often at odds.

  192. From an article in Pajamas Media:
    But a majority of Americans do find the choice of location an affront, a potentially in-your-face, abrasive, triumphalist statement, rather than an exercise in harmony and “bridge-building.”

    ————————-

    The article does not cite any polls at all. I doubt that any legitimate poll ran such a question. The truth is probably that polls simply asked “Do you support or oppose?” without going into such details.

    Eg, the legitimate Marist poll simply said Favor/Oppose. And, interestingly, it found that the further from Manhattan, the more opposed. The people in Manhattan, who would get to USE the facilities, were 53% in favor.
    …………..Favor Oppose Unsure
    Bronx… 30% 53% 16%
    Brooklyn 31% 61% 9%
    Manhattan 53% 31% 16%
    Queens/Staten 28% 60% 12%
    http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/nycpolls/c100728/Bloomberg_RV/Construction_of_Mosque_Near_World_Trade_Center_Site.htm

  193. wbboei,

    TNR has got a long article supporting the Cordoba House project — saying that “Feelings don’t matter.”

    You might enjoy taking that apart.

  194. MOP, Perhaps someone should ask Mayor Bloomberg why he is for equal rights under the constitution for the NY mosque and not for the Greek Orthodox Church that was destroyed during the 9-11 attacks. Is he showing prejudice?? What does he have against the Greek Orthodox religion??? Have they blown up part of Manhattan???

  195. I have a Dr. friend that is Greek Orthodox that his from Africa and he said usually if you are a Christian in a Muslim country your usually Greek Orthodox. So are their Muslim’s in NY that are trying to stop the rebuilding of the Greek Orthodox Church??

  196. Will Hillary comment on the mosque issue or can she (and should she) stay out of it citing her current job….

  197. turndown, Where have I heard this statement before, “feelings don’t matter”??? Was it during the Democratic National Convention??? It seems the democrats in power are dictating who,where, and what gets done??? Hmmm, Hmmmm!

  198. American Gal, She needs to stay out of it….she is out of politics because the democrats in power want her out of it, so she should NOT take a stand on such a political motivated issue! This just isn’t about the folks that live in Manhattan, afterall, when 9/11 occurred, Americans of all walks of life came together and stood in unison with the NY. So now what happens in NY, happens to all of us!

  199. Pam Geller is very entertaining as is local talk show host Joyce Kaufman. You may disagree with 90% of what they think, but the 10% is usually spot on.

  200. In The Jews of Islam, Bernard Lewis writes:
    The claim to tolerance, now much heard from Muslim apologists and more especially from apologists for Islam, is also new and of alien origin.

    =================

    Well, The Catholic Encyclopedia would be pretty alien.

    Still the key here is that relative tolerance does not equal full equality. Maybe it was just civil unions. 😉

    From THE CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA:
    Though they suffered many vexations, the Christians continued to enjoy freedom of worship, and this tolerant attitude of the ameers seduced not a few Christians from their original allegiance. Both Christians and Arabs co-operated at this time to make Cordova a flourishing city, the elegant refinement of which was unequalled in Europe.
    [….]
    Owing to the peace which the Christians of Cordova then enjoyed […] the citizens of Cordova, Arabs, Christians, and Jews, enjoyed so high a degree of literary culture that the city was known as the New Athens. From all quarters came students eager to drink at its founts of knowledge. Among the men afterwards famous who studied at Cordova were the scholarly monk Gerbert, destined to sit on the Chair of Peter as Sylvester II (999-1003), the Jewish rabbis Moses and Maimonides, and the famous Spanish-Arabian commentator on Aristotle, Averroes.

  201. confloyd said:
    So are their Muslim’s in NY that are trying to stop the rebuilding of the Greek Orthodox Church??

    =================

    My impression is that the problems are among the congregation and the donors, that they can’t agree on what they want.

  202. Obama has no business taking sides in this debate. He should know what his responsibilities are as the acting Executive (president). Someone should clue him in on his discriminatory statements! As president of ALL the people, by virtue of his position representing a branch of government, he is held to a higher standard than the other branches that serve their purpose for discussion and debate until a lawful ruling is made if necessary. Why are we ceding authoritarian power (to Obama) in one branch of government?
    ____________________________________________

    This article demonstrates exactly what we are afraid of: Fragmentation of the Constitution! (using the constitution to destroy us.)

    Ground Zero Mosque founder – Faisal Abdul Rauf in Arabic: “Our Goal is to Establish Shariah”

    Fort Cordoba, ground zero NYC Mosque, will be the main Taqiyya Center and outpost in the USA and along with the new London England mega Mosque, at the Olympic site, will be the guiding lights for Dah’wa and “Aslim Tuslam”…..

    Watch this PJTV Interview by Roger Simon with Walid Shoebat on “NYC Ground Zero Mosque Founder Exposed…?”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-UDl3j8WZQ&feature=player_embedded

    by Walid Shoebat

    Little is known regarding the founder of the Ground Zero Mosque Faisal Abdul Rauf or his views on Islam. Many view him moderate and others connect him to his father’s affiliation to the Muslim Brotherhood. While others object that this would be guilt by association.

    For that we searched Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf’s own words – in the Arabic and not what he says in English to the western media. It should shock every American to find out that Faisal Abdul Rauf stated to the popular Islamic media Hadiyul-Islam (www.hadielislam.com) on May 26th, 2010 in an article by Sa’da Abdul Maksoud. In it he states that an Islamic state can be established regardless of the government being a kingdom or democracy. In another article titled “I do not believe in religious dialogue” should alarm the ardent skeptic on the mindset of the Islamic visionary who advocates establishing Islamic lobbies throughout the West.

    He also admitted that “[In the West] they have separation of church and state, this of course does not exist in any Muslim country. About 99% refuse to separate religion from state and many call for establishing an Islamic Caliphate.”

    And regarding religious dialogue Abdul-Rauf stated “this phrase is inaccurate. Religious dialogue as customary understood is a set of events with discussions in large hotels that result in nothing. Religions do not dialogue and dialogue is not present in the attitudes of the followers regardless of being Muslim or Christian. The image of Muslims in the West is complex which needs to be remedied.” And when his view regarding an Islamic state he responded that “throughout my discussions with contemporary Muslim theologians that an Islamic state can be established in more then just in a single form or mold. It can be established through a kingdom or a democracy. The important issue is to establish the general fundamentals of Shariah that are required to govern. It is known that there are sets of standards that are accepted by [Muslim] scholars to organize the relationships between government and the governed.” When questioned on this, that “the current governments are unjust and do not follow Islamic laws” Abdul Rauf commented “new laws were permitted after the death of Muhammad, so long of course that these laws do not contradict the Quran or the Deeds of Muhammad…so they create institutions that assure no conflicts with Shariah.”

    http://formermuslimsunited.americancommunityexchange.org/2010/05/28/ground-zero-mosque-founder-faisal-abdul-rauf-in-arabic-our-goal-is-to-establish-shariah/

  203. Losing my mind about waffles and the mosque. It is surreal. Not a lawyer but seems to me sharia law is not in any way shape or form protected by my constitution. I do THINK THE LITTLE POOP MACHINE I TENDED TO FOR YEARS. IS. SHARIA LAW FRIGHTENS THE HELL OUT OF ME. How anyone can defend it leaves me stumped. I will not sit by and ever let anyone tell my baby girl she is less than.
    No fucking way. Strange as a gay man I sort of just accepted the bile moslems sent my way.
    Yeah I let people tell me I was filthy and was going to burn in hell. That was me I can deal but saying my crud was less than. Oh hell no. Not going to happen.

    Sharia law is not acceptable. I have a rugrat that I adore and I will not stay silent as freaks decide it is proper to accept being diminished. No way no how love my baby doll. She is not and never will be a second class citizen. Sharia law is beyond horrific.

  204. Admin- I have a post caught in Uncle Spammy’s goldfish filter. HONEST- the post contains 2 links, one for a video and the other pertains to the posted article… the snakeheads are still alive and swimming unhampered within society..

  205. And then you have the Jewish people and the Simon Wiesenthal Center for Tolerance. The Center continues to fight antisemitism, hate and terrorism. It continues to promote human rights and dignity for all religious groups and nations.

    Israel and the Jewish people continue to tolerate, fight for ALL groups including Arab nations when they feel human rights are being violated.

    Why then have Jews been so vilified, so hated, and so victimized throughout history? What have they done wrong?

    And then you have the Muslims who from Mrs. Smith’s post earlier on tolerate no religion other than there own.

    How sad.

  206. turndown
    what exactly is an anti-islam
    please educate me. justify sharia. With all due respect I’d love to know how anyone can rationalize that.

  207. 15.08.10

    Hamas, 10 other groups reject all forms of compromise with Israel

    Joint statement comes ahead of a possible round of direct peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

    By DPA

    Eleven militant Palestinian groups based in Syria warned on Sunday against a “concession and compromise” policy ahead of a possible round of direct talks between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

    The message from the groups, which include Gaza rulers Hamas as well as the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine factions, appeared directed at Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

    Abbas is under pressure to enter direct negotiations with Israel, after months of U.S.-brokered proximity talks between the two sides.

    Damascus-based Hamas politburo chief Khaled Meshal said Sunday that the factions’ representatives issued the statement after discussions held at his house in the Syrian capital and that they rejected all forms of compromise with Israel.

    The U.S. and the “Zionists,” the statement said, were “aiming to wipe out the national rights of the Palestinians and to cover up the practices of the occupation, settlement expansion and Judaizing the land.”

    Abbas has said he will not agree to direct talks with Israel without a complete halt to settlement building, agreement on final borders and a timetable for a deal.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/hamas-10-other-groups-reject-all-forms-of-compromise-with-israel-1.308197

  208. Here is the post caught in the spam filter sans the video link-

    Obama has no business taking sides in this debate. He should know what his responsibilities are as the acting Executive (president). Someone should clue him in on his discriminatory statements! As president of ALL the people, by virtue of his position representing a branch of government, he is held to a higher standard than the other branches that serve their purpose for discussion and debate until a lawful ruling is made if necessary. Why are we ceding authoritarian power (to Obama) in one branch of government?
    ____________________________________________

    This article demonstrates exactly what we are afraid of: Fragmentation of the Constitution! (using our own constitution to destroy us.)

    Ground Zero Mosque founder – Faisal Abdul Rauf in Arabic: “Our Goal is to Establish Shariah”

    Fort Cordoba, ground zero NYC Mosque, will be the main Taqiyya Center and outpost in the USA and along with the new London England mega Mosque, at the Olympic site, will be the guiding lights for Dah’wa and “Aslim Tuslam”…..

    Watch this PJTV Interview by Roger Simon with Walid Shoebat on “NYC Ground Zero Mosque Founder Exposed…?”

    by Walid Shoebat

    Little is known regarding the founder of the Ground Zero Mosque Faisal Abdul Rauf or his views on Islam. Many view him moderate and others connect him to his father’s affiliation to the Muslim Brotherhood. While others object that this would be guilt by association.

    For that we searched Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf’s own words – in the Arabic and not what he says in English to the western media. It should shock every American to find out that Faisal Abdul Rauf stated to the popular Islamic media Hadiyul-Islam (www.hadielislam.com) on May 26th, 2010 in an article by Sa’da Abdul Maksoud. In it he states that an Islamic state can be established regardless of the government being a kingdom or democracy. In another article titled “I do not believe in religious dialogue” should alarm the ardent skeptic on the mindset of the Islamic visionary who advocates establishing Islamic lobbies throughout the West.

    He also admitted that “[In the West] they have separation of church and state, this of course does not exist in any Muslim country. About 99% refuse to separate religion from state and many call for establishing an Islamic Caliphate.”

    And regarding religious dialogue Abdul-Rauf stated “this phrase is inaccurate. Religious dialogue as customary understood is a set of events with discussions in large hotels that result in nothing. Religions do not dialogue and dialogue is not present in the attitudes of the followers regardless of being Muslim or Christian. The image of Muslims in the West is complex which needs to be remedied.” And when his view regarding an Islamic state he responded that “throughout my discussions with contemporary Muslim theologians that an Islamic state can be established in more then just in a single form or mold. It can be established through a kingdom or a democracy. The important issue is to establish the general fundamentals of Shariah that are required to govern. It is known that there are sets of standards that are accepted by [Muslim] scholars to organize the relationships between government and the governed.” When questioned on this, that “the current governments are unjust and do not follow Islamic laws” Abdul Rauf commented “new laws were permitted after the death of Muhammad, so long of course that these laws do not contradict the Quran or the Deeds of Muhammad…so they create institutions that assure no conflicts with Shariah.”

    http://formermuslimsunited.americancommunityexchange.org/2010/05/28/ground-zero-mosque-founder-faisal-abdul-rauf-in-arabic-our-goal-is-to-establish-shariah/

  209. Whatever their gender policies, at least the Greek Orthodox Church and the Greek government are not funneling money into terror groups in various countries.

  210. confloyd
    August 15th, 2010 at 10:55 am

    shadowfax or anyone else,

    Is the current healthcare put in by Obama really is essense Romneycare???
    —-
    I’m behind on the posts again, but I am going to take a stab at this one,
    Romneycare is the Heath Care plan in MA right? Sounds as though those in MA (libs) thought it was working really well, but each year it gets more expensive…so it sounds a little better than Barry Hell Care but not with the bugs worked out.

  211. Manhatten is known as a bastion of liberalism so it is not surprisiing that nearly twice as many favored the mosue in that borough compared to the four others cited.

    The upper west side, the east and west village, the east side – all liberal.

    The outer boroughs have more working class types who didn’t drink the college kool-ade. In fact, Manhatten is often considered an entirely different city by residents and non-residents alike.

    Henry, I agree, Any women who doesn’t take the time to inform themselves about sharia law is a frigging fool. Like I said last night, I sometimes wonder if leftie men aren’t attracted to the gender practices in Islamic practice.

  212. Turndown as usual misses the point and keeps regurgitating the same shit.

    The point is people are opposed to someone using that area as a porvocative move against to the people of the United states, this opposition is not to stop peoples religious right but they should have the brains to not to shove what happened down peoples throat, move it elsewhere. Ground Zero is an open wound on the face of the country. You don’t keep stabbing the wound. Its like a rapist opening a womens care centre right next door to where they raped them. Its mind bogglingly insensitive and reeks of sticking two fingers up at you.

  213. This article was posted by “S” a few threads ago. I wanted to comment on it because imo, it represents all 10 reasons all by itself.

    August 12th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100050412/the-stunning-decline-of-barack-obama-10-key-reasons-why-the-obama-presidency-is-in-meltdown/

    The stunning decline of Barack Obama: 10 key reasons why the Obama presidency is in meltdown

    By Nile Gardiner
    _____________________________________________

    10. Obama doesn’t believe in American greatness

    Barack Obama has made it clear that he doesn’t believe in American exceptionalism, and has made apologizing for his country into an art form. In a speech to the United Nations last September he stated that “no one nation can or should try to dominate another nation. No world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will succeed. No balance of power among nations will hold.” It is difficult to see how a US president who holds these views and does not even accept America’s greatness in history can actually lead the world’s only superpower with force and conviction.

    [simply because this fraud does not know the history of America, what it stands for or how it achieved it’s greatness.] ptooey!

    There is a distinctly Titanic-like feel to the Obama presidency and it’s not hard to see why. The most left-wing president in modern American history has tried to force a highly interventionist, government-driven agenda that runs counter to the principles of free enterprise, individual freedom, and limited government that have made the United States the greatest power in the world, and the freest nation on earth.

    This, combined with weak leadership both at home and abroad against the backdrop of tremendous economic uncertainty in an increasingly dangerous world, has contributed to a spectacular political collapse for a president once thought to be invincible. America at its core remains a deeply conservative nation, which cherishes its traditions and founding principles. President Obama is increasingly out of step with the American people, by advancing policies that undermine the United States as a global power, while undercutting America’s deep-seated love for freedom.[and because of the diversity of each and every ethnicity joining in unison creating the greatest country on earth, AMERICA]

  214. turndownobama
    August 15th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Re the Greek Orthodox Church, here is a link to a website asking for donatiosn to rebuild. It might have leads to sponsors who could tell what the current problems are.

    http://www.goarch.org/special/september11/stnicholaschurch/stnicholas

    Before anti-Islam people start donating, though, they might look into what the Greek Orthodox gender policies are.

    ==============
    Turndown
    Gender policies?
    Are you talking about how women are treated?
    You couldn’t possibly be saying that the Greek Orthodox religion, (very similar to Catholic policies) treats women worse than the beliefs of Islam????????????

    As far as I know, there is no lower position for women than in the Islam faith.
    Don’t even get me started on the 70 virgins in heaven, stoning, burqua covered women that are treated with hatred and used for breeding!!

  215. This issue of building a mosque at or near the site of 9/11 has nothing whatsoever to do with freedom of religion. Nada. It is all about political symbolism. And the symbol is at best ambiguous. To Bloomberg it is a symbol of tolerance, so he says. To the Arab street it is a victory mosque. Which of the two is more likely to perpetrate terrorism, and which of the two is more likely to miss the issue until it is too late? I think the answer is obvious. Nor is this a local decision, as Obama’s garbage collector Burton has tried to suggest. The attack was on the entire nation, thus the wishes of Manhattan sophisticates are not dispositive. But the most interesting part of this is the why of it. If you read rule 4 of Alinsky’s rules for radicals, he makes a point about using society’s own rules to destroy it, because no society can live up to all of its rules, since society is comprised of fallible human beings. That is why Obama is using freedom of religion to force people to accept this mosque on hallowed ground. This explains much of the behavior we see from Obama which is otherwise unintelligible.

  216. “Don’t even get me started on the 70 virgins in heaven, stoning, burqua covered women that are treated with hatred and used for breeding!!”
    ________________________

    you are not alone with those feelings. It’s all about illogical male dominance and the fantasy they have promised for untold generations as heavens reward for blind obedience to Allah. The perfect scam for not recognizing and preventing equality in female interaction in serious discussions. Probably a precursor to the contemporary version of a southern religious redneck.

  217. not to shove what happened down peoples throat, move it elsewhere. Ground Zero is an open wound on the face of the country. You don’t keep stabbing the wound.

    —————

    Yes, as I’ve said, agreeing with Palin, the project isn’t working as a goodwill gesture, so they should drop it.

    (Unfortunately moving it elsewhere doesn’t seem likely, unless someone wants to buy the white elephant property they’ve already got. How far away should they move it, to satisfy you? I think they’d better drop it altogether. Too bad for the 53% of Manhattanites who might LIKE a swimming pool etc.)

  218. Some friendly advice to our friends in big media who continue to shill for Obama: don’t try to catch a falling knife.

  219. wbboei
    August 15th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
    ———————–

    There is a certain rhythm and an attraction in the way the Obamas speak (more so with her than him) that makes people forget what they are saying, almost cult like. They must have learned it in Wright’s church. “Souls are broken..” my foot.

  220. wbboei……..and pigs might fly…….ok maybe that was in bad taste
    ————————————————————–
    On the other hand, since the Muslim world is now a bastion of tolerance I cannot imagine they would mind.

  221. “Yes, as I’ve said, agreeing with Palin, the project isn’t working as a goodwill gesture, so they should drop it.”
    —————–

    Not sure what Palin said but it is clear where you stand. Don’t make this about people who won’t accept it as a goodwill gesture when nobody knows what this thing was all about.

  222. I doubt the 53% of Manhattanites who allegedly approve of the mosque live anywhere near it as lower Manhattan is sparsely inhabited compared to the rest of the island.

    (Unless you count Chinatown, the northern border to the battery, and I doubt few of those residents would have time to use a pool.)

    The Tribeca area, on the southwest portion of Manhattan, near ground zero, has roughly 10-20 thousand residents, many of them living in extensively renovated and very expensive condos and apartments.

    Most of the area is taken up by businesses and I also doubt many of the people working at those businesses would have time to use a pool.

    If a pool or a community center is really the objective, then it should be built in one of the many densely-populated poor neighborhoods in the Bronx or parts of Brooklyn.

    Now that would really be a gesture of good will.

  223. Talk of the mosque dominates today, as it should. However I cannot resist squeezing in this tidbit:
    HEREFORD, Ariz. – Tea party activists are gathering along a remote stretch of the Arizona-Mexico border about 70 miles west of Nogales. They’re rallying Sunday on a private ranch in support of Arizona’s controversial immigration law. A judge has put much of the law on hold. The rally is being held near a stretch of the wall made of 15-foot steel posts set closely together to prevent people from crossing the border. People have attached flags with messages about curbing illegal immigration to the posts. A sound system had not yet been set up Sunday morning. U.S. Senate candidate J.D. Hayworth, who is challenging John McCain in the Republican primary, was scheduled to speak, along with Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio.
    h t t p://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100815/ap_on_re_us/us_border_tea_party

    A picture of those 15′ posts adorned with flags & messages accompanies the article.

  224. There was a comment on Althouse that indicated a new problem for Obama with his new clarification of what he meant about what he said at the Ramadan dinner. The Mosque supporters got away with deliberately confusing the legal right versus the right thing to do argument and now with Obama coming out with the differentiation (they have the right to build but won’t speak to the wisdom of it) loudly and clearly, that advantage is gone. Are they sure this guy is the smartest politician ever?

  225. basil,

    Take it up with Marist poll.

    …………..Favor Oppose Unsure
    Bronx… 30% 53% 16%
    Brooklyn 31% 61% 9%
    Manhattan 53% 31% 16%
    Queens/Staten 28% 60% 12%
    http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/nycpolls/c100728/Bloomberg_RV/Construction_of_Mosque_Near_World_Trade_Center_Site.htm

    I expect Marist got their area codes and prefixes right.

    If the sponsors offered to build a swimming pool in the Bronx, Gingrich would label it a ‘baptismal font’ or something.

  226. i think my head is actually going to explode.
    The media violates me.
    I was a kid when Lockerbie took place. Going to a state school studying film. The offspring of working class stiffs who opted to study art and learn to express themselves.
    More than twenty Temple University students died a violent death. Frigging children under twenty studying art. That is what that sorry ass miserable pig destroyed. Took so much from so many. I had classes with a couple of the victims and had taken one professors class.
    I lack the vocabulary to express how it felt. I cannot not even tell if I am possessed with rage or crippled by an untenable abstract pain

  227. wbboei,

    It’s always more fun to speculate with the facts at hand, than to go looking up more facts. From internal evidence in the Catholic Encyclopedia quote, Cordoba’s bastion of tolerance* period was prior to 999 A.D.:

    Among the men afterwards famous who studied at Cordova were the scholarly monk Gerbert, destined to sit on the Chair of Peter as Sylvester II (999-1003), the Jewish rabbis Moses and Maimonides, and the famous Spanish-Arabian commentator on Aristotle, Averroes.
    http://gotmedieval.blogspot.com/2010/08/professor-newts-distorted-history.html

    *compared to how other countries were treating minorities at that time

  228. turnedownobama,

    I’m not disputing what you are reporting that Marist says. What I’m saying is that aren’t a lot of full-time residents down in lower Manhattan compared to the rest of the island.

    While it’s just 7 or 8 miles long, you’d be surprised at how infrequently Manhattanites would go to a gym, or a community center which isn’t near their apartments.

    That’s just how it is. It wouldn’t be convenient. So to say that people who live in Manhattan would be deprived of a pool just isn’t true. People prefer places within walking distance to their homes and lower Manhattan is well off the beaten path for most of the island’s residents.

  229. The BBC is running a fascinating couple of episodes on “useful idiots” – intellectuals who justify or even publicly support issues that are manifestly counter to reality or national self-interest as seen by the ‘non-intelligentsia’.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p008vd41

    Seems like the basis for a major post by Admin. It seems to describe America’s current reality precisely

  230. henry,

    I honestly think the firefighter was right when he told me he fears people are already forgetting. Or maybe it’s that those who didn’t experience the effects firsthand or through a friend or a family member or through living in the area just don’t get it and never will. Maybe to those people the whole episode is as unreal as the violent videogames many play. It’s like a movie. They weren’t personally affected and so they don’t understand.

    They’re like teenagers, unable to comprehend that which they have only experienced vicariously. And like teenagers, they think they know everything when they don’t have a clue. I’d bet that those who support the mosque either had no close association with 911 or are dyed-in-the-wool lefties. I’d also bet that if they personally went through a similar horror they’d change their tune. Fast.

  231. I wonder if all these gaffes are intentional. May be Obama thinks it is easier to go after Social Security with a Republican controlled congress.

  232. basil9
    henry,
    I honestly think the firefighter was right when he told me he fears people are already forgetting.

    ====================

    Maybe I mis-read Henry’s post about the firefighter. I thought the firefighter was saying in effect: “We had begun to forget, to get over it, to heal. So why remind us with this project, why re-open our memories.”

  233. moononpluto,

    You will LOVE this one! I am ROTF!

    “Dems may use food stamp money to pay for Michelle Obama’s nutrition initiative”

    The Hill

  234. By the way if anyone has not seen Angelina Jolies new film SALT, its fantastic, real edge of your seat stuff.

    Made me just think of Obama and the ultimate infiltration.

  235. Democrats who reluctantly slashed a food stamp program to fund a state aid bill may have to do so again to pay for a top priority of first lady Michelle Obama.

    The House will soon consider an $8 billion child nutrition bill that’s at the center of the first lady’s “Let’s Move” initiative. Before leaving for the summer recess, the Senate passed a smaller version of the legislation that is paid for by trimming the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, commonly known as food stamps.

    The proposed cuts would come on top of a 13.6 percent food stamp reduction in the $26 billion Medicaid and education state funding bill that President Obama signed this week.

  236. You’ll like this too, moononpluto. From CBS News!

    “How Many “Top Priority” Issues Does Obama Have?”

  237. Surprise Surprise, I’m shocked, shocked i tell you.

    Banks to benefit most from White House effort to fight foreclosures

    http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/banking-financial-institutions/114349-banks-to-benefit-most-from-white-house-program-to-stave-off-foreclosures

    Housing experts expressed concern that banks, not homeowners, will be helped by the White House’s $3 billion funding infusion — $2 billion from the Treasury Department and another $1 billion from the Housing and Urban Development Department — going to those states hit hardest by the housing market crash and unemployment.

    “Giving money to the banks isn’t what the government should be doing right now,” said Dean Baker, co-founder of the Center for Economic and Policy Research.

    “I’m not a big fan; it’s ill-conceived,” he said.

    The basic principle is to help struggling homeowners but with so many people underwater on their mortgages the new funding is unlikely to do much good, Baker said.

    “You need to make sure that someone benefits from the program other than banks,” he said.

    Baker suggested that if the government is going to provide up to $50,000 in loans over the course of two years to those struggling homeowners that the money should be used for any of their needs, not just to pay the mortgage.

    He said banks could offer a program that would allow homeowners to rent their home back from the bank at a lower monthly rate than their mortgage payment for up to five years, providing some security for those struggling to make monthly payments.

    The arrangement would provide lenders with a real incentive to negotiate with homeowners because they don’t want to be landlords.

    If the recently announced program is expected to work there has to be a reasonable expectation that at the end of the two-year program homeowners will have some equity in their property.

    “If that’s not the case, then it’s not worth it,” he said.

    He said he’d be “very surprised” if the vast majority of those who take advantage of the program don’t eventually lose their homes.

    Foreclosures were up 4 percent in July with 325,229 filings, a nearly 10 percent increase over the same month in 2009, according to a report from RealtyTrac, a group that tracks foreclosure filings.

    David Abromowitz, senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, said the main problem with the funding is that lenders will benefit without requiring any concessions or matching of the federal aid.

    read on…….

  238. “How Many “Top Priority” Issues Does Obama Have?”

    all of them because its a soundbite, it means nothing to him other than getting him from one presser to the next. The man would call having a shit between press conferences a top priority.

  239. After the Senate passed that $600 million Border Security Bill yesterday, President Obama issued a statement asserting that securing the southwest border has been “a top priority” since he took office.

    But if you think Mr. Obama can have but a single “top priority,” you’d be wrong. He’s got a load of them.

    In an Address to the Nation two months ago, Mr. Obama declared “our top priority is to recover and rebuild from a recession that has touched the lives of nearly every American.”

    “Creating jobs in the United States and ensuring a return to sustainable economic growth is the top priority for my Administration,” he said in an Executive Order last March on his National Export Initiative.

    Early in his administration, Mr. Obama also assigned the “top priority” label to his campaign promise to overhaul America’s health care system. But a check of his speeches since taking office, reflect a bevy of other “top priorities:”

    ENERGY SECURITY: “And that’s why my energy security plan has been one of the top priorities of my Administration since the day I took office.” (4/28/10)

    EDUCATION REFORM: “To train our workers for the jobs of tomorrow, we’ve made education reform a top priority in this Administration.” (2/24/10)
    STUDENT LOAN REFORM: “This is something that I’ve made a top priority.” (2/1/10)

    EXPORTS BY SMALL BUSINESSES: “This is going to be a top priority.” (12/3/09)

    HEALTH ASSISTANCE TO 9/11 FIRST RESPONDERS: “I’m not just talking the talk, we’ve been budgeting this as a top priority for this Administration.” (2/3/10)

    END HOMELESSNESS AMONG VETERANS: “I’ve also directed (Veterans Affairs) Secretary Shinseki to focus on a top priority: reducing homeless among veterans.” (8/17/09)

    HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS: “Our top priority is ensuring the public safety. That means appropriate sheltering in place or if necessary, getting as many people as possible out of harm’s way prior to landfall.” (5/29/09)

    H1N1 FLU VACCINATIONS: “And throughout this process, my top priority has been the health and the safety of the American people.” (5/1/09)

  240. I’m a little behind on movies, but I just finished watching “Capitalism,a Love Story”. WOW! Moore projected Obama to be the end all and fix all….I wonder how Michael Moore feels now that he’s been bent over the dining room table by Obama, LOL! We are so screwed!

  241. confloyd
    moore makes me sick. I think he is an abusive ass.If you disagree i implore you to watch Roger and Me anew. Take note of how he ridicules the poor woman selling rabbits. Cheap shot.

  242. Palin mocks Obama over Ground Zero mosque

    ‘This is not above your pay grade,’ ex-Alaska governor tweets

    By Michael Mathes, Agence France-Presse August 15, 2010 5:02 PM

    WASHINGTON – Republicans pounced Sunday on U.S. President Barack Obama’s comments supporting the right to build a mosque near Ground Zero, painting him as out of touch less than three months before key mid-term elections.

    Democrats and Republicans squared off on whether it was appropriate for Obama to wade into the fray over the Islamic centre, which would include a mosque and would be built two city blocks away from the site of the former World Trade Center.

    At a Friday Iftar dinner at the White House to mark Ramadan, Obama said Muslims “have the same right to practise their religion as anyone else in this country,” including by building a mosque in lower Manhattan.

    But the next day Obama appeared to dial back from his support, clarifying that he was commenting on rights enshrined in the U.S. Constitution and not on “the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there,” a location he acknowledged as “hallowed ground.”

    Conservatives swiftly seized on Obama’s comments, which came after the White House had for weeks declined comment on the controversy and deemed it local issue, and several prominent Republicans hammered home the message on Sunday political talk shows.

    “This is not about freedom of religion, because we all respect the right of anyone to worship according to the dictates of their conscience,” U.S. Senator John Cornyn, a Texas Republican, said on Fox News Sunday. “But I do think it’s unwise … to build a mosque at the site where 3,000 Americans lost their lives as a result of a terrorist attack. And I think to me it demonstrates that Washington, the White House, the administration, the president himself seems to be disconnected from the mainstream of America.”

    Construction of the centre, a $100-million, 13-storey glass and metal building to be built on private property, has been approved by city officials.

    The hot-button issue has stirred raw emotions in the United States, which marks the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks next month, and Cornyn said he believes it might resonate with voters.

    “I think this is sort of the dichotomy that people sense, that they’re being lectured to, not listened to, and I think that’s the reason why a lot of people are very upset with Washington,” he said.

    A CNN/Opinion Research poll this month showed 68 per cent of Americans opposed the planned mosque, while only 29 percent favoured it, although a majority did support the actual right of Muslims to build it.

    New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an independent, threw his support behind the centre, but few Democrats sounded openly enthusiastic about it Sunday.

    Senator Jack Reed, a Democrat, did not answer directly if he thought the mosque should be built, but said he supported its designed intention to provide interfaith communication and dialogue.

    “But it can’t be there, and I don’t think it should be allowed to be there, if it’s going to be some type of way to undercut the truth, the reality, of 9/11 … which was an attack by fanatical Muslims against the United States,” he told Fox News Sunday.

    Republican Representative Peter King of New York challenged Islamic leaders to “listen to the deep wounds and anguish that this is causing to so many good people” and consider moving the centre to a site farther away.

    “This is such a raw wound and they are just pouring salt into it,” King told CNN’s State of the Union program.

    On Friday, after Obama’s announcement, King said the president “caved in to political correctness.”

    Sarah Palin, the former Alaska governor who was the Republican vice-presidential nominee in 2008, appeared to mock Obama over the mosque kerfuffle.

    “We all know that they have the right to do it, but should they?” she posed to Obama on her Twitter feed. “This is not above your pay grade.”

    A significant number of Americans hold suspicions about the president, according to poll figures.

    Obama is known to be a devoted Christian, but an online Harris poll conducted in March showed that 32 per cent of Americans – including 57 per cent of Republicans – believe Obama is a Muslim.

    Relatives of 9/11 victims are split over the mosque plans, with one major group in favour and another opposed. Sally Regenhard, the mother of one of 343 firefighters killed at the World Trade Center, reportedly said Obama’s Friday comments showed “a gross lack of sensitivity to the 9/11 families and to the people who were lost.”

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Palin+mocks+Obama+over+Ground+Zero+mosque/3402051/story.html

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Palin+mocks+Obama+over+Ground+Zero+mosque/3402051/story.html#ixzz0wiba4hu2

  243. hmmm…interesting…

    General Petraeus insists he will not be bound by Obama’s Afghan exit date. New commander of foreign forces in Afghanistan says July 2011 deadline may not be possible

    Jon Boone in Kabul
    guardian.co.uk,
    Sunday 15 August 2010

    The US army general, David Petraeus, made clear today that he would not be bound by Barack Obama’s promise to start withdrawing US troops from Afghanistan by July next year.

    In his first interview since taking command of Nato troops in the country less than two months ago, the top general said he could foresee circumstances where conditions would make it impossible for him to recommend a reduction in forces.

    Such an outcome would scupper President Obama’s plans not to appear bogged down in a worsening Afghanistan conflict as he prepares for re-election in 2012.

    Speaking on US television from his headquarters in Kabul, Petraeus said the controversial promise made by Obama in November that a surge of 30,000 US troops would be temporary and would start to be reversed in July 2011 was simply an attempt to increase the urgency of the international effort in Afghanistan.

    “I think the president has been quite clear in explaining that it’s a process, not an event, and that it’s conditions-based,” Petraeus said.

    Although seen at the time as a smart way of appeasing critics of the war within Obama’s own party, the drawdown announcement has been widely criticised for emboldening insurgent groups who saw it as a sign of weakening resolve.

    When asked by the Meet the Press programme whether he might reach a point where despite knowing the process of withdrawal is supposed to start he would nonetheless advise that it was impossible, Petraeus said: “Certainly yeah, again, the president and I sat down in the Oval Office and he expressed very clearly that what he wants from me is my best professional military advice.”

    One published account of Obama’s discussions on the drawdown date with Petraeus and his other top generals paints a very different picture.

    According to US journalist Jonathan Alter, whose book The Promise gives an account of the Afghan war led by Obama in November last year, the US president went to great efforts not to be “boxed in” by the US military establishment that supported long-term engagement in Afghanistan.

    After a period of silence on taking command from his disgraced predecessor Stanley McChrystal, Petraeus is launching a media blitz to drum up support for the war, which is currently at an all-time low in the US. According to one public opinion poll seven out of 10 Americans do not believe the war can end successfully.

    The death toll of US troops hit a record 66 in July, while the total number of western soldiers killed since the conflict began in late 2001 surpassed 2,000 today.

    Petraeus was upbeat about the war’s progress, saying Taliban foot soldiers were increasingly cut off from the insurgent leadership in Pakistan and that the Afghan government was making progress on rooting out corrupt officials.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/15/general-petraeus-not-bound-afghan-exit

  244. Henry, Oh, he makes me sick too, but he all but elevated Obama to King is that pic and now that everyone knows that Obama is owned by Citigroup, GoldmanSacs and a few others, it makes his answer to all of our problems stupid….Obama is not/will not do a thing to help the middleclass.

  245. I have read some of the comments about the swimming pool at this proposed Muslim community center/Mosque.

    I have also read some of the comments from those who believe what the Muslim promoters of this project are saying about how it will be a community center for everyone, regardless of religion, in which they would be able to congregate.

    This is all nonsense. The promoters want a mosque, and they are floating the idea of a combined mosque/community center to get what they want. I guarantee you that the community center part will be set up in such a way that anyone who is a non-Muslim will not want to visit there because they will not be comfortable there, and would feel out of place. Could you imagine a female who was not a Muslim wanting to use a swimming pool at that site? What would she need to wear, a burqa? I don’t believe that the promoters of the project are being honest with their vision. They want a toehold in an area of the city in which they have none, and to chose this particular location is an affront to a much larger percent of the population that is not Muslim, and does not agree with their proposal. PEOPLE, both in and out of NYC, DO NOT WANT THIS MOSQUE AT THE PROPOSED LOCATION! These promoters, are being blatantly disingenuous with their proposal. Muslims do not normally welcome non-Muslims to their houses of worship. Many do not support the mixing of the sexes at engagements, and would certainly not want non-Muslims and Muslims mixing at a so-called community center which also houses their mosque. Why anyone would believe their lies is beyond me. The way I see it is that once they complete their project, and fake their supposed concern for the surrounding community, the site will be a community center for them, and them only. They will accept outsiders as long as they feel that the outsider might be willing to convert to Islam. Yes, they will use this location to try and convert those who they deem convertible. Their interest is Islam, and Islam only. They may get what they want, but they will forever be held in contempt of the vast majority of people both in NYC and throughout the country. If they wanted to stand for what they are proposing, they would stop trying to spite the majority who oppose them, and find another location for their community “indoctrination” center.

  246. I think the following might be of interest to you all. I was happy to see the name Grayson-FL on this list! I am hoping that they are wrong with their prediction for Hawaii (Djou), and the other Republicans. I want a Democratic party implosion, and then a sane renewal!
    ==============

    From NBC’s Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Ali Weinberg
    *** First Read’s Field of 64: This is a slight change to our normal Friday Top 10 list, but today we’re listing what we consider the 64 House seats most likely to switch
    parties in the fall. (No. 1, for instance, is the seat we consider most
    likely to flip.) For Republicans to take back the House, they need to
    pick up a NET of 39 seats. (So if Democrats are able to win three or
    four GOP seats, as they’re hoping to do, then Republicans must win 42
    or 43 Democratic seats.) Political journalists and junkies — clip and
    save this list, because it gives you a good idea of where the House
    battlefield is and whether or not Republicans can reach a net of 39
    seats on Election Night. There are 55 Democratic-held seats on this
    list, and nine GOP-held ones.

    1. TN-6 (D-Open-Gordon retiring)
    2. LA-3 (D-Open-Melancon running for Senate)
    3. LA-2 (R-Cao)
    4. DE-AL (R-Open-Castle running for Senate)
    5. AR-2 (D-Open-Snyder retiring)
    6. NY-29 (D-Open-Massa retired)
    7. NM-2 (D-Teague)
    8. OH-1 (D-Driehaus)
    9. IN-8 (D-Open-Ellsworth running for Senate)
    10. MD-1 (D-Kratovil)
    11. KS-3 (D-Open-Moore retiring)
    12. IL-10 (R-Open-Kirk running for Senate)
    13. OH-15 (D-Kilroy)
    14. HI-1 (R-Djou)
    15. VA-2 (D-Nye)
    16. VA-5 (D-Perriello)
    17. MS-1 (D-Childers)
    18. CO-4 (D-Markey)
    19. PA-7 (D-Open-Sestak running for Senate)
    20. PA-11 (D-Kanjorski)
    21. FL-8 (D-Grayson)
    22. NY-24 (D-Arcuri)
    23. MI-1 (D-Open-Stupak retiring)
    24. NH-1 (D-Shea-Porter)
    25. SD-AL (D-Herseth-Sandlin)
    26. NV-3 (D-Titus)
    27. ND-AL (D-Pomeroy)
    28. PA-3 (D-Dahlkemper)
    29. FL-24 (D-Kosmas)
    30. NH-2 (D-Open-Hodes running for Senate)
    31. MI-7 (D-Schauer freshman)
    32. TN-8 (D-Open-Tanner retiring)
    33. TX-17 (D-Edwards)
    34. AL-2 (D-Bright)
    35. CA-3 (R-Lungren)
    36. AZ-8 (D-Giffords)
    37. OH-16 (D-Boccieri)
    38. AR-1 (D-Berry)
    39. SC-5 (D-Spratt)
    40. WI-7 (D-Open-Obey retiring)
    41. TX-23 (D-Rodriguez)
    42. NY-19 (D-Hall)
    43. FL-2 (D-Boyd)
    44. WA-3 (D-Open-Baird retiring)
    45. KY-6 (D-Chandler)
    46. FL-25 (R-Diaz-Balart)
    47. CA-11 (D-McNerney)
    48. IN-9 (D-Hill)
    49. IN-2 (D-Donnelly)
    50. NC-8 (D-Kissell)
    51. IL-11 (D-Halvorson)
    52. IL-14 (D-Foster)
    53. PA-15 (R-Dent)
    54. WA-8 (R-Reichert)
    55. WV-1 (D-Open-Mollohan lost in primary)
    56. AL-5 (R-Open-Griffith lost in a primary)
    57. VA-11 (D-Connolly)
    58. IA-3 (D-Boswell)
    59. AZ-5 (D-Mitchell)
    60. AZ-1 (D-Kirkpatrick)
    61. MO-4 (D-Skelton)
    62. MI-9 (D-Peters)
    63. OH-13 (D-Sutton)
    64. NY-20 (D-Murphy)

  247. Let my try this again, since it didn’t show up a few minutes ago.

    The following may be of interest to you all. I was happy to see the name Grayson-FL on this list! I dislike that man. I was disheartened to see the name Djou-HI on the list, but maybe he’ll win in Hawaii. I hope all of the districts go Republican. Nothing but complete Democratic party destruction will do for me.
    ==============================

    From NBC’s Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Ali Weinberg
    *** First Read’s Field of 64: This is a slight change to our normal Friday Top 10 list, but today we’re listing what we consider the 64 House seats most likely to switch
    parties in the fall. (No. 1, for instance, is the seat we consider most
    likely to flip.) For Republicans to take back the House, they need to
    pick up a NET of 39 seats. (So if Democrats are able to win three or
    four GOP seats, as they’re hoping to do, then Republicans must win 42
    or 43 Democratic seats.) Political journalists and junkies — clip and
    save this list, because it gives you a good idea of where the House
    battlefield is and whether or not Republicans can reach a net of 39
    seats on Election Night. There are 55 Democratic-held seats on this
    list, and nine GOP-held ones.

    1. TN-6 (D-Open-Gordon retiring)
    2. LA-3 (D-Open-Melancon running for Senate)
    3. LA-2 (R-Cao)
    4. DE-AL (R-Open-Castle running for Senate)
    5. AR-2 (D-Open-Snyder retiring)
    6. NY-29 (D-Open-Massa retired)
    7. NM-2 (D-Teague)
    8. OH-1 (D-Driehaus)
    9. IN-8 (D-Open-Ellsworth running for Senate)
    10. MD-1 (D-Kratovil)
    11. KS-3 (D-Open-Moore retiring)
    12. IL-10 (R-Open-Kirk running for Senate)
    13. OH-15 (D-Kilroy)
    14. HI-1 (R-Djou)
    15. VA-2 (D-Nye)
    16. VA-5 (D-Perriello)
    17. MS-1 (D-Childers)
    18. CO-4 (D-Markey)
    19. PA-7 (D-Open-Sestak running for Senate)
    20. PA-11 (D-Kanjorski)
    21. FL-8 (D-Grayson)
    22. NY-24 (D-Arcuri)
    23. MI-1 (D-Open-Stupak retiring)
    24. NH-1 (D-Shea-Porter)
    25. SD-AL (D-Herseth-Sandlin)
    26. NV-3 (D-Titus)
    27. ND-AL (D-Pomeroy)
    28. PA-3 (D-Dahlkemper)
    29. FL-24 (D-Kosmas)
    30. NH-2 (D-Open-Hodes running for Senate)
    31. MI-7 (D-Schauer freshman)
    32. TN-8 (D-Open-Tanner retiring)
    33. TX-17 (D-Edwards)
    34. AL-2 (D-Bright)
    35. CA-3 (R-Lungren)
    36. AZ-8 (D-Giffords)
    37. OH-16 (D-Boccieri)
    38. AR-1 (D-Berry)
    39. SC-5 (D-Spratt)
    40. WI-7 (D-Open-Obey retiring)
    41. TX-23 (D-Rodriguez)
    42. NY-19 (D-Hall)
    43. FL-2 (D-Boyd)
    44. WA-3 (D-Open-Baird retiring)
    45. KY-6 (D-Chandler)
    46. FL-25 (R-Diaz-Balart)
    47. CA-11 (D-McNerney)
    48. IN-9 (D-Hill)
    49. IN-2 (D-Donnelly)
    50. NC-8 (D-Kissell)
    51. IL-11 (D-Halvorson)
    52. IL-14 (D-Foster)
    53. PA-15 (R-Dent)
    54. WA-8 (R-Reichert)
    55. WV-1 (D-Open-Mollohan lost in primary)
    56. AL-5 (R-Open-Griffith lost in a primary)
    57. VA-11 (D-Connolly)
    58. IA-3 (D-Boswell)
    59. AZ-5 (D-Mitchell)
    60. AZ-1 (D-Kirkpatrick)
    61. MO-4 (D-Skelton)
    62. MI-9 (D-Peters)
    63. OH-13 (D-Sutton)
    64. NY-20 (D-Murphy)

  248. Admin, could you please release one of the last two comments that I tried to have show up here. They are about the seats in the House of Reps that are most likely to oust the current political party that controls the seats. It’s an interesting list, with many, many DemonRats on it.

  249. Obama, Reid and Pelosi are writing the obituary for America. No question about it. It reads as follows: A nation whose national debt is approaching the size of its gross national product, that goes abroad to borrow money to keep non-essential workers on government payroll is a nation on the way down and out.
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    Putting Government First
    by Patrick J. Buchanan
    Human Events Magazine

    Where a man’s purse is, there his heart will be also.

    If you would know where the heart of the Obama party is today, consider. In the dog days of August, with temperatures in D.C. rising above 100, Nancy Pelosi called the House back to Washington to enact legislation that could not wait until September.

    Purpose: Vote $26 billion to prevent layoffs of state, municipal and county employees whose own governments had decided they had to be let go if they were to meet their constitutional duty to balance their books.

    Workers their own governments thought expendable, Congress decided were so essential, it borrowed another 26 thousand million dollars from China to keep them on state and local payrolls.

    A nation whose national debt is approaching the size of its gross national product, that goes abroad to borrow money to keep non-essential workers on government payroll is a nation on the way down and out.

    And anyone who thinks this Obama party is ever going to cull the armies of tens of millions of government workers or scores of millions of government beneficiaries to put America’s house in order is deluding himself.

    As long as this Congress and White House remain in power, a U.S. default on its national debt is inevitable. The only question is when.

    Nor is this the first time the Obama administration has rushed to save workers whom their own state, city and county governments were prepared to let go. Among the reasons the $800 billion stimulus failed is that so little of it was directed to firing up the locomotive of the economy, the private sector, and so much of it was spent to ensure that government workers did not have to share in the national sacrifice.

    Why Pelosi & Co felt compelled to return to D.C., to ensure that state and local government payrolls were not pared, is not hard to understand.

    Which party does the American Federation of Teachers; the National Education Association; and the American Federation of State, Municipal and County Employees usually contribute to, work for, vote for? At which of the two party conventions are teachers and government employees hugely over-represented?

    Consider, too, the states deepest in debt and facing the largest cuts in employee ranks, pay and benefits: California, Illinois, New York.

    In these states, public employees earn at least $10,000 per year more in pay and benefits than the average America worker, who is bailing them out.

    Hence, we have a situation where private sector workers in Middle America are being taxed, their children being driven ever deeper into debt to China, so government employees who have greater job security than they do, and earn more in pay and benefits than they will ever earn, can stay in Fat City.

    And folks wonder why so many Americans detest government.

    In the same week Congress came back to prevent AFSCME from taking a haircut, the Wall Street Journal reported that, in 2009, only three of 52 metro areas with over 1 million in population saw “net earnings and the broader measure of personal income both rise.”

    Are you surprised to learn Washington, D.C., was among the three?

    That same day, USA Today had a startling report on how, during the last decade, U.S. Government workers, like Wall Street bankers, left their fellow Americans in the dust.

    “Federal workers have been awarded bigger average pay and benefit increases than private employees for nine years in a row. The compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in the past decade.

    “Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of $123,049 in 2009 while private workers made $61,051 in total compensation. … The Federal compensation advantage has grown from $30,415 in 2000 to $61,998 last year.”

    Remarkable. U.S. government workers, who enjoy the greatest job security of any Americans, now earn twice as much in pay and benefits as the average American. This is not the D.C. some of us grew up in.

    Nor is this all Obama’s doing. For most of the fat years of the federal work force came while Washington was being run by a Congress of Big-Government Conservatives and a White House of Bush-Cheney Republicans.

    No wonder the tea party is targeting both parties.

    Nevertheless, it is impossible to believe that the Obamaites, who intervened twice and massively with bailouts to prevent minor layoffs of local and state government employees, have the stomach to do the major surgery needed to cut the federal monolith down to size.

    For the vast majority of the tens of millions of government workers vote Democratic, as do the vast majority of the scores of millions of beneficiaries of federal, state and local programs.

    What Pelosi & Co. were saying with that $26 billion bailout this week is, “We are going to protect our own.”

    Which is why either Obama, Pelosi, Reid & Co. go, or we are gone.

  250. Has anyone seen the weird tarp up on the WH,Its on Drudge.

    JanH,

    What do you think about John Bolton’s comment about Iran?? Russia loading the reacter in Iran on the 21st? John Bolton’s opinion is scary, he usually tells the truth however painful it might be!

  251. confloyd,

    I think Bolton is right on the mark. And we should be scared. Iran is flaunting it’s strength, Russia is helping, obama is letting the 3 A.M. call go to voicemail. And Israel is left to fix his mess.

  252. Harvard University fund sells all Israel holdings
    No reason for the sale was mentioned in the report to the SEC.
    15 August 10 17:15, Hillel KorenIn another blow to Israeli shares, the Harvard Management Company notified the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) on Friday that it had sold all its holdings in Israeli companies during the second quarter of 2010. No reason for the sale was mentioned. The Harvard Management Company manages Harvard University’s endowment.
    Harvard Management Company stated in its 13-F Form that it sold 483,590 shares in Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd. (Nasdaq: TEVA; TASE: TEVA) for $30.5 million; 52,360 shares in NICE Systems Ltd. (Nasdaq: NICE; TASE: NICE) for $1.67 million; 102,940 shares in Check Point Software Technologies Ltd. (Nasdaq: CHKP) for $3.6 million; 32,400 shares in Cellcom Israel Ltd. (NYSE:CEL; TASE:CEL) for $1.1 million, and 80,000 Partner Communications Ltd. (Nasdaq: PTNR; TASE: PTNR) shares for $1.8 million.

    Harvard Management Company’s 13-F Form shows some interesting investments. Its two largest holdings, each worth $295 million, are in iShares ETFs, one on Chinese equities, and the other on emerging markets. Harvard also owns $181 million in a Brazilian ETF.

    Published by Globes [online], Israel business news – http://www.globes-online.com – on August 15, 2010

    © Copyright of Globes Publisher Itonut (1983) Ltd. 2010

  253. JanH, I guess we’ll know soon enough, its only six days away! Debkafile had an interesting article about it…they say it will be sooner than that because soon Russia will control the airspace…Obama is playing with NorthKorea this week to cover up whats going on over there!

    While everyone is looking at North Korea, either the bombs will be dropping on Iran or Amadinejah will be celebrating victory over Israel!

  254. I also expect that Iran’s timing has everything to do with ambushing direct talks between Israel and the Palestinians. 10 Arab terrorist groups, including Hamas and Hizbollah have already come out against the talks, if Iran turns Israel’s attention away from the talks and towards defending itself, the Arabs can then blame Israel for what they see as “disproportionate response.” This provides them with another false kodak moment where they spew their hate at Israel.

  255. An excellent analysis of our current economic and political malaise by Mort Zuckerman. Mr. Obama is no leader. He is a campaigner, and as we learned today a swimmer. But an executive? Not a chance. And millions are paying the price for his ineptitude and lack of governing skill. We need a leader asap. This is no laughing matter.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703960004575427332237529948.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_opinion
    ———————————————————-
    (Relevant excerpt):

    The most obvious source of distress right now is lack of payroll growth, and it’s likely to get worse. Real unemployment today is well above the headline number of 9.5%. That number held steady only because 1,115,000 people gave up hope of finding work and left the labor force in the last three months. Otherwise the headline unemployment rate would have been around 10.4%.

    Now there are at least 14.5 million Americans still searching for work: 1.4 million of them have been jobless for more than 99 weeks, 6.5 million have been jobless for over 27 weeks. This is a stunning reflection of the longer-term unemployment we are coping with.

    The unemployment numbers are worse than reported. Last year the Labor Department admitted it over-counted the number of jobs by 1.4 million. Why? Because they used a computer program that tries to extrapolate how many new companies are being created during each month and then estimates the number of jobs these firms should be creating. They were wrong.

    Since April, the Labor Department has counted 550,000 nonexistent jobs under this so-called birth/death series. Without these phantom jobs, the economy this year created virtually no jobs—certainly not the 600,000 the administration has been touting.

    The Obama administration projects the unemployment rate will drop to 8.7% by the end of next year and 6.8% by 2013. That is totally unrealistic. It means we would have to add nearly 300,000 jobs a month over the next three years. At the rate we’re going, it will take anywhere from six to nine years to climb out of this hole. The labor market may be improving, but the pace is glacial.

    If there is one great policy failure of this recession, it’s that we have not used the crisis to introduce structural reforms. For example, we have a gross mismatch of available skills and demonstrable needs. Businesses struggle to find the skills and talents that are needed to compete in this new world. Millions drawing the dole to sit around should be in training for the jobs of the future that require higher educational skills.

    Given that nearly eight in 10 new jobs, according to the administration, will require work-force training or higher education, it furthermore makes no sense that we have reversed the traditional American policy of welcoming skilled immigrants and integrating them into our economy. Because of a recrudescent nativism, we send home thousands upon thousands of foreign students who have gotten masters and doctoral degrees in the hard sciences at American universities. These are people who create jobs, not displace them. The incorporation of immigrants used to be one of the core competencies of our economy. It’s time to return to that successful model. (snip)

    But if the economic scene these days is daunting, the political scene is downright depressing. We have a paralyzed system. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans seem able to find common ground to address what is clearly going to be an ongoing employment crisis. Finding that common ground is a job opportunity for real leaders.

  256. Confloyd
    As we knew, he didn’t get in the water in the Gulf, but near the Gulf. On Politico today – they changed their story. I find it disgusting that yesterday he promoted himself swimming in the Gulf in order to attract tourists.
    ________________________

    Going swimming
    Obama and Sasha dip near Gulf
    By MATT NEGRIN | 08/15/10 1:44 PM
    Obama and Sasha dip near Gulf
    President Obama and his daughter Sasha went for a swim near the Gulf of Mexico on Saturday, White House deputy press secretary Bill Burton told the pool. Obama and Sasha swam at a hotel beach, Burton said. The pool reports that, according to a map and “local poolers,” the water was in Saint Andrews Bay off Alligator Point, which is not technically the Gulf.

  257. The racist Wall Street Journal weighs in one the mosque of misunderstanding controversy, raising doubts that The One handled it well. But since he is a messiah, and messiahs are by definition infallible, it can only be their narrow minded bigotry which prevents them from seeing the light. Here is a sample of their blasphemy. The rest of the article is interesting.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704901104575423243201956002.html?mod=WSJ_newsreel_opinion&mg=com-ws

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    Mosque of Misunderstanding

    The Mosque of Misunderstanding
    Obama has needlessly elevated a destructive controversy.

    How fraught is the debate over the proposed Ground Zero mosque? Even President Obama can’t seem to decide, or at least to say clearly, what he thinks about it.

    First, at a White House dinner in honor of Ramadan on Friday, the President gave an unqualified defense of building the mosque on religious freedom grounds. Then a day later he said he was only backing the “right” to build the mosque, not the wisdom of doing so near such a politically sensitive site. On the latter, he is apparently taking no view.

    So in the name of reducing religious tensions and reaching out to the Muslim world, Mr. Obama has managed to elevate the debate into a global spectacle and rile up everyone further. He has also tossed the issue into the center of an already hot election season. In this he is only following the entire arc of this needless and destructive controversy, in which a mosque supposedly being built to promote interfaith understanding has instead fostered ill feelings as raw as at any time since 9/11.

  258. I’m trying to remember who Zuckerman favored in 2008.

    Either way this is an excellent analysis.
    —————————————–
    Obama over Hillary in the primary. (That ghoul Robert Goodwin works for him, and accused Hillary of wanting O to suffer same fate as RFK, and now has the chutzpa to say he wishes Hillary were president)

    Obama over McCain in the general election.

    His judgment is fallible. If it were not fallible I would be worried about what he says in this article. In fact, I am very worried.

  259. I smell jailtime ahead……………………

    Democrat Congressman John Salazar’s bill would help generous contributor

    http://www.gjsentinel.com/news/articles/salazar_bill_would_help_genero/

    A western Colorado land swap sought by U.S. Rep. John Salazar, D-Colo., would eliminate what National Park Service officials termed a development threat to the Curecanti National Recreation Area. Salazar’s biggest individual campaign contributor, meanwhile, would get land that would allow him to complete assembly of his ranch in Gunnison County.

    A third element of the exchange would put into the National Park system the home of the man who first discovered dinosaur bones in what is now known as Dinosaur National Monument in Utah.

    Salazar this spring introduced H.R. 5059, the Central Rockies Land Exchange and National Park System Enhancement Act of 2010.

    At the heart of the measure is a land swap that would enlarge by 1,841 acres the Bear Ranch owned by William Koch and allow him to knit together disparate parts of his ranch tucked between Ragged Mountain and Paonia Reservoir.

    Koch and his family members have contributed $39,800 to Salazar’s federal campaigns, making them his biggest individual contributor, according to Federal Elections Commission documents and the website opensecrets.org.

    The Curecanti National Recreation Area would get 912 acres on Sapinero Mesa south of Blue Mesa Reservoir that “is threatened by residential subdivision if not included” within the recreation area, according to the National Park Service.

    The land exchange has drawn attention not so much for what is known about it, but what is not.

    Ed Marston, former publisher of the High Country News and president of the Paonia Chamber of Commerce, said he knows enough about the proposal to have questions, but he isn’t necessarily opposed to it.

    “I am opposed to the secrecy,” Marston said.

    Rather than being the result of requests by residents, the bill that was introduced last spring by Salazar came as a surprise to residents of nearby Delta County, Marston said.

    Marston said he also is troubled by a Bureau of Land Management document that was leaked to him and suggested three BLM parcels were not identified previously as being appropriate for transfer to private ownership. The document also questioned whether Koch would gain access to coal and natural gas.

    Koch’s interests include Gunnison Energy Corp., a natural gas company, and Oxbow Resources, which operates mines in Gunnison County.

    Koch, however, has no interest in mining on his ranch land, Koch spokesman Brad Goldstein said.

    “The conspiracy theorists’ idea that he wants to mine there is ludicrous,” Goldstein said.

    Koch grew up on ranches in Montana and Wyoming and has gone to great expense to develop Bear Ranch as a cattle ranch, Goldstein said.

    Bringing the 1,800 acres into the ranch proper will allow Koch to better manage his ranch, especially during elk season “when he does have a problem with people trespassing,” Goldstein said. “The last thing you want is a hunter shooting across your property.”

    As for the exchange, “We think it’s a good deal for the public,” Goldstein said. “We’re not trying to hide the ball or cheat anybody.”

    Salazar introduced the measure at the request of the Gunnison County Commission, according to Salazar’s office in Washington, D.C.

    read on………………bribery at work.

  260. Lol, NY post calling Obama’s Mortgage program a colossal failure.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/mortgage_madness_4eBKDKDuKBSxKJH2ZG0U2J

    President Obama’s flagship mortgage-modification pro gram is a colossal failure — it’s a boondoggle that’s wasting billions of taxpayer dollars.

    The program’s supposed to help Americans in danger of losing their homes — but the big winners are richly paid executives at Fannie Mae, the now-government-run mortgage giant.

    Obama originally promised that the program would spend $75 billion and save the homes of 3 million to 4 million families. But last month the administration reported that it had enrolled just 1.24 million homeowners — and 520,000 had already dropped out, while just 398,000 had gotten “permanent” mortgage modifications.

    In other words, more “trial” modifications had failed than become permanent.

    In fact, even the “permanent” mods are iffy: This month the administration has had to admit that last month’s report lowballed the numbers of those borrowers who got modifications, but redefaulted. It now says that the redefault rate for the less than 5,000 mortgages that had been modified nine months earlier was 14.9 percent — more than six times higher than originally reported. The redefault rate for the 53,000 six-month-old mods is 7.7 percent — 2½ times higher than first reported.

    Industry experts estimate that 60 percent will eventually redefault and lose their homes anyway.

    Again, these “permanent” modifications are outnumbered by the “trial” ones that don’t even make it to six months.

    Why is the failure rate so high? Let’s look at a federal lawsuit filed in June by a former Fannie Mae executive who claims she was fired in January because she blew the whistle.

    Caroline Herron was terminated from Fannie in a 2007 downsizing wave; she was brought back in as a consultant in spring 2009 to help Fannie administer Obama’s mortgage-modification program.

    Fannie plainly thought she had expertise: It hired her to work 40 hours a week at $200 an hour — that’s $8,000 a week to help people struggling with their mortgage payments hopefully get modifications.

    In her suit, Herron claims she complained to Treasury officials that Fannie was pushing for trial mortgage modifications to start long before the borrowers had submitted backup documents to prove eligibility. She alleges that Fannie executives thwarted her efforts to streamline procedures so that only truly eligible borrowers would be signed onto trial modifications.

    Indeed, she claims Fannie execs intentionally signed up premature modifications with ineligible borrowers — because the execs qualified for bonuses up to 20 percent of their salaries if they produced enough trial modifications, even if few ever became permanent.

    And “incentive pay” at Fannie and its sister government mortgage agency, Freddie Mac, isn’t chickenfeed. Last Christmas Eve, Obama ordered that the 12 top execs get bonuses totaling $42 million — including $6 million apiece for the two CEOs.

    Wasn’t this the administration that wanted to prevent huge bonuses at firms that got government bailouts? Consider this just another area where Obama and Democrats in Congress have protected Fannie and Freddie from even a whiff of reform.

    Anyway, the administration has found a solution to the flagrant failure of its mortgage-modification program: It’s hired Kaplan Thaler Group — the Madison Avenue advertising firm that created the Aflac duck — to promote the program.

    But it’s not an advertising campaign to get more modifications — it’s a propaganda campaign to “inform” the public about the supposed good being done by the billions of taxpayer dollars Obama is flushing down the toilet.

    He’s wasting our money — and then wasting more of it trying to convince us he’s not wasting our money. Is it any wonder why he says we can’t afford to keep the Bush tax cuts?

    Stephen B. Meister is a partner in Meister Seelig & Fein LLP.

  261. ouch….Obamanomics is why there is no recovery.

    Obama is really getting the label of failure these days, what do we expect when you have a guy in charge who has basically done nothing all his life but drift from job to job never finishing anything, then what would you expect. The man is nothing more than the ultimate peter principle, promoted way above his pay grade. The ultimate post turtle….you know some idiot put it up there, it doesnt know how it got there, it doesnt know what to do when its up there and can do nothing but flap around until it falls off.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Obamanomics-is-why-there-is-no-recovery-471733-100652469.html

    Examiner Editorial
    August 13, 2010

    How many more months must Americans endure near-double-digit unemployment, little or no new-job creation, economic stagnation, a topsy-turvy stock market, and sagging consumer confidence before Washington politicians concede the “summer of recovery” is mostly a mirage?

    They’ve spent nearly $8 trillion since 2007, including nearly $2 trillion on economic stimulus programs and an equal amount for the Troubled Asset Relief Program and similar bailouts. They’ve effectively nationalized Fortune 500 corporations, taken over the health care sector, and set the regulatory stage for more bailouts and takeovers, but the needle is still stuck. Worse, recovery isn’t likely for many months ahead because those same politicians are planning more of the same failing policies.

    Consider that entrepreneurial small businesses are the job-creation machine of a free-enterprise economy. But these firms are about to get smacked with significant tax rate increases that will keep most of them struggling just to survive. President Obama, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will let the Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 expire as scheduled Jan. 1, 2011. The current 33 percent tax rate on individuals will go to 36 percent, and the current 35 percent rate will increase to 39.5 percent. Those are individual rates, but the majority of small-business profits are taxed as income to individuals.

    According to Internal Revenue Service data,30 million tax returns reporting small-business income were filed in 2008, showing net business profits of $631 billion. Americans for Tax Reform pointed out Friday that “large chunk of this net profit -$457 billion – faced taxation in households making more than $200,000 per year. A majority of small business profits will face a tax rate hike under the Obama-Pelosi-Reid plan.” So, those millions of small-businesses will soon have even less money to invest in expanding existing product lines or services, as well as job-creating new ventures.

    As for the big corporations that are hoarding billions of dollars that would otherwise be flowing into new investments and fueling renewed economic growth, there is no mystery why they are putting off making such decisions. Who can blame them after seeing the nationalization of General Motors and Chrysler, or the moratoria under which hundreds of large and small energy firms were forced to stop drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and on land in places like Wyoming?

    Also, an explosion of new anti-business regulations to further hobble the economy is coming soon, thanks to Obama-Reid-Pelosi policies. As ATR’s Grover Norquist told The Examiner, “You don’t know what the law will be next month, or if you will even be allowed to own your business. The only thing you can be sure of is they will raise your taxes. You would be a fool now to go out and hire somebody new.”

  262. confloyd @ 9:38pm WH tarp
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    Here is a link to picture:
    h t t p://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//100815/480/urn_publicid_ap_org_cccfeacc195d444087e7028864616d91/

    I’ve always feared that Oh would have the WH painted a color other than white. Hope that the tarp is just part of the huge scheduled-before-he-was-on-the-scene renovation going on there.

  263. There is just no telling what this tarp is for. I saw it once put up to cover him from the street while he attended a meeting. I imagine it is for some painting for something like that, but you never know. It could be to cover the comings and goings in and out of the West Wing. Obama is so crooked you just done know and our imagination can run away with us.

  264. Hamas leader: Ground zero mosque must be built

    NEW YORK — A Hamas leader says Muslims “have to build” a mosque near ground zero.

    Mahmoud al-Zahar said Muslims “have to build everywhere” so that followers can pray, just like Christians and Jews build their places of worship.

    Al-Zahar spoke Sunday on “Aaron Klein Investigative Radio” on WABC-AM. He is a co-founder of Hamas and its chief on the Gaza Strip.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/16/AR2010081601353.html

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    ahah, so would he let us build some churches in Saudi Arabia and other nations where churches are not allowed, so as we can pray everywhere then.

  265. Some guy is talking now that the President will have another “teachable moment”! OMG, the only person who needs to be taught anything is Barack Obama…he’s the only one who doesn’t seem to know what it means to be an American!

    No more speeches! Now the muslims are pist, because that’s why they gave him all that money.

    A guy on Fox says this opens up Pandora’s Box for Obama, because people are going to wonder why he’s raising money overseas for this mosque and such. People have been wondering where Obama gets all his money too!

  266. Scathing Congress report slams Obama’s ‘covert, criminal activity’

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=191809

    Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., the ranking Republican on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, issued a scathing staff report today charging that the White House has “used the machinery of the Obama campaign to tout the president’s agenda through inappropriate and sometimes unlawful public relations and propaganda initiatives.”

    An advance pre-publication copy of the report, shared by Issa’s Washington office with WND, accuses the White House of nothing short of criminal activity. It charges the Obama administration with violating federal laws to advance what the Government Accounting Office has characterized as an unlawful “covert campaign,” using federal resources “to activate a sophisticated propaganda and lobbying campaign.”

    Pulling no punches, the Oversight Republican Report accuses the Obama White House of “violating federal law prohibiting the use of appropriated funds for publicity or propaganda purposes.”

    The Obama administration’s abuses alleged in the Oversight Republican Report can be summed up under the term “astro-turfing,” a fraudulent public relations activity in which “the White House and the agency whose resources it is co-opting attempt to create the impression that grassroots support for a particular policy exists when in fact it has been fabricated using taxpayer dollars.”

    “The use of taxpayer dollars and federal employees to create an alliance whereby the NEA becomes the de facto strategic communications arm of the White House is unlawful,” the report alleges. “Using a government e-mail account and government personnel and resources to host a call using artists and arts group to support the president’s agenda is a clear violation of federal law.”

  267. Hamas nod for Ground Zero mosque
    Terror group’s leader: ‘Have to build it’

    By S.A. MILLER in Washington and TOM TOPOUSIS in New York

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/hamas_nod_for_gz_mosque_cSohH9eha8sNZMTDz0VVPI

    A leader of the Hamas terror group yesterday jumped into the emotional debate on the plan to construct a mosque near Ground Zero — insisting Muslims “have to build” it there.

    “We have to build everywhere,” said Mahmoud al-Zahar, a co-founder of Hamas and the organization’s chief on the Gaza Strip.

    “In every area we have, [as] Muslim[s], we have to pray, and this mosque is the only site of prayer,” he said on “Aaron Klein Investigative Radio” on WABC.

    OBAMA CATCHES HOLY HELL

    “We have to build the mosque, as you are allowed to build the church and Israelis are building their holy places.”

    ‘WE HAVE TO PRAY’:

    Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf (inset) got support from Hamas co-founder Mahmoud al-Zahar (above left, with Gaza political leader Ismail Haniyeh), who spoke on WABC Radio yesterday in favor of Rauf’s proposal to build an Islamic center in this downtown location two blocks away from ground zero..

    Hamas, he added, “is representing the vast majority of the Arabic and Islamic world — especially the Islamic side.”

    Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), who so far has not taken a position on the mosque, dismissed the endorsement.

    “Hamas is a terrorist organization, and their views don’t deserve any weight on anything,” his spokesman said.

    Zahar said Muslims around the world, including those who live in this country, are united in a common cause.

    “First of all, we have to address that we are different as people, as a nation, totally different,” he said.

    “We already are living under the tradition of Islam.

    “Islam is controlling every source of our life as regard to marriage, divorce, our commercial relationships,” Zahar said.

    “Even the Islamic people or the Muslims in your country, they are living now in the tradition of Islam. They are fasting; they are praying.”

    Politicians who previously had lots to say on the matter were not nearly as eager to discuss the latest development.

    Despite his outspoken opposition to the building of a mosque so close to Ground Zero, Rep. Peter King (R-LI) said only, “I don’t respond to Hamas.”

    Mayor Bloomberg, a strong supporter of the plan, declined comment through a spokesman.

    Feisal Abdul Rauf, the imam behind the proposed mosque, and two other leaders of the plan who previously had commented extensively, were silent yesterday.

    They did not respond to The Post’s phone calls or e-mails about the Hamas endorsement.

    Hamas first came up in the mosque debate earlier this summer when Abdul Rauf refused to describe the group as a terrorist organization — despite the State Department listing that identifies it as such.

    Tom Brown, a chief opponent of the mosque, said: “This is what we’ve been saying . . . Imam Rauf is a radical Muslim who will not call Hamas a terror group.”

    A retired firefighter who was a first responder on 9/11, Brown lost 100 of his FDNY friends at the Twin Towers.

    “How much evidence do we need that this guy is a radical Muslim?” he asked.

    “If Rauf really were a bridge builder and an interfaith guy and all the things he professes to be, he wouldn’t be doing this to people.”

    Abdul Rauf raised eyebrows last week when he departed on a State Department-sponsored goodwill mission to the Middle East, despite concerns that the trip may be helping him with the mosque’s $100 million fund-raising goal.

    The Obama administration insisted the trip, reportedly with stops in Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain and Qatar, was strictly to improve understanding about Muslim communities in the United States.

    But a London-based Arabic-language newspaper that interviewed Abdul Rauf reported that he said he would also collect money from Muslim and Arab nations around the world — raising the possibility that the American government is helping him build contacts in oil-rich states.
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    Get a 4 x 4 and start hitting Shumer over the head with it! The smart guy is supporting Hammas and should be dragged through every borough in N.Y. by the 3 hairs he has left on his head!

    So the Muslims are going to support Obama and send him to the WH for a second term in 2012? And Americans are going to let this happen?

  268. ’ve always feared that Oh would have the WH painted a color other than white. Hope that the tarp is just part of the huge scheduled-before-he-was-on-the-scene renovation going on there
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    My suspicion is Mr. Obama is planning to paint the White House the colors of the rainbow, to symbolize his commitment to multiculturalism, to hang the American flag at half mast to symbolize our national decline under his corrupt leadership, and open a mosque adjacent to the west wing to illustrate his support for freedom of religion and tolerance for Shariah law. The rainbow will also symbolize the closing scene in the Wizard of Oz where we encounter the Wizard himself and find that he is all hat no cattle. Well, Obama promised change and big media never asked him what that meant.

  269. Mayor Bloomberg, a strong supporter of the plan, declined comment through a spokesman.
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    The little prick. He condemns the American People who oppose the mosque, but refuses to condemn Hamas leader who supports it. In this case, silence is consent. It looks to me that his elitism and hubris have finally caught up with him. I am quite sure he relishes the idea of being on the same side of the issue as Hamas. Now there is tolerance for you.

  270. lol…changing the outside color of the whitehouse…

    Maybe black and white?

    If that isn’t impeachment worthy I don’t know what is.

  271. If they build this mosque where they intend to build it it will not be interpreted as a symbol of religious tolerance. It will be seen by the Arab street as a monument to Osama bin Laden. And the Arab street is the incubator of terrorism. If you were a recruiter for a terrorist group would you not hand a picture of this monument to new recruits along with a picture of the World Trade Center and say this is what we stand for? Why is that point not obvious to the benighted Democratic leadership? The comment by the leader of Hamas merely confirms it. It is a matter of common sense. And trust me the Saudis will have a hand in this just as they had a hand in the paving the career of Obama. If they did not have the United States and Israel then these terror groups would be asking provocative questions like why does the king of Saudi Arabia need 50 gold c-modes while the people of his country starve and remain illiterate. Now there is a cause for our own progressive idiots like the humorless David Sirota et al.

  272. All this media spin about ditching Joe Biden as V.P. and having Hillary take his place just boggles the mind.

    Why hasn’t anyone suggested that bambi take the v.p. and Hillary run for POTUS?

  273. oops…should say “White House”
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    You did, I did and historians did. Thanks to Obama we know that term is racist, and for 200 years we have been saying it without thinking. It is worse than racism per se which we all condemn. It is latent racism, which is like latent communism as in a red under every bed. Lets find ourselves a new age Joe McCarthy–or Cotten Mather to exorcise that devil. In the meantime we will settle for the politically correct term Chicago East. I am sure no one would object to that–unless they are racist. Only a racist would disagree with Obama. Even when he is wrong he is right.

  274. Here we go…

    August 15, 2010

    Hillary and the Ground Zero Mosque Imam

    Thomas Lifson

    It is time for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to step up to the plate and investigate Imam Feisel Abdul Rauf, who is currently touring the Middle East at the expense of American Taxpayers as an envoy of her Department of State. Claudia Rossett, one of America’s premier journalists, today reveals several disturbing facts that more than warrant an official investigation:

    …what’s going on with the web site of his Cordoba Initiative? Last week, after someone in his Malaysia office referred all questions back to his office in New York, the phone number and address of his office in Malaysia quietly vanished from the Cordoba web site. Roughly around the same time, as Anne Bayefsky noticed and explained in a Pajamas Media post this week, Rauf’s Cordoba Initiative web site also erased a photo showing Rauf meeting in Malaysia a while back with an Iranian official, Mohammad Javad Larijani – who, as Bayefsky explained, “was the Iranian official who defended Iran’s abysmal human rights record before the UN Human Rights Council in February and June of this year.”

    Friday evening, after Obama gave his de facto endorsement to Rauf’s Cordoba/Park 51 Ground Zero mosque and Islamic center project, I took another look at the morphing Cordoba Initiative web site, and discovered it now has a note on the main page saying “Website is currently under construction.” (Grab your screenshots now – parts of this site are already sliding down the Memory Hole).

    What’s going on? Why the vanishings of the Malaysian address, the Rauf-Larijani Iranian connection photo, and the elusive Imam Feisal himself? Have either Obama or Bloomberg made even the smallest effort to inquire about what use will be made, or by whom, of these de facto endorsements they are handing out?

    Secretary Clinton, as the person ultimately responsible for funding Rauf’s visit to the Middle East (which cannot help but affect his fundraising efforts for the mosque) has a duty to the American people to get to the bottom of Rauf’s refusal to condemn Hamas, his rhetoric in Arabic that contrasts with his English language rhetoric, and his association with anti-US groups.

    Silence on the subject equals Mrs. Clinton’s support for the Imam, who is enjoying a taxpayer funded trip (I wonder, by the way, if he is flying coach?). The Ground Zero Mosque is the most divisive issue in America today. If the Secretary of State is convinced she can dodge responsibility for funding him, she is sadly mistaken.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/hillary_and_the_ground_zero_mo.html

  275. President Fully Entangled In 9/11 Mosque Controversy

    Posted by Moe Lane (Profile)
    Monday, August 16th at 10:00AM EDT
    7 Comments
    There’s been a good deal of discussion over whether the President should have gotten involved with the conflict over whether to build a mosque in Ground Zero*. Certainly the President himself has had second thoughts about that: his strong statement on Friday was followed up by a predictable backtrack on Saturday, and the anonymous sniping from his own administration officials over that was likewise inevitable. But what probably should not be a point of contention is that the issue is getting in the President’s way on other things.

    For example, remember the Gulf? – Because the President wishes that you had. Unfortunately for him, President Obama’s comments last weekend completely fouled his later attempts to tout the Gulf for tourism**.

    It was meant to be a quick family trip to the Gulf Coast to show that local beaches are safe for swimming and that the Obamas can vacation as humbly as the next family.

    But President Obama’s visit was overshadowed by his foray into the dispute over the mosque planned near the former World Trade Center site, once again drowning out what was supposed to be a sharp, focused message.

    Like it or not, but the country wants to talk about the mosque thing. And they’re not happy about it – to the point where the President can’t count on majority support for this from his own party. You know, that sounds familiar: I wonder if Barack Obama remembers the Dubai Ports matter? I further wonder if he realizes that he’s currently in the middle of the equivalent to that unhappy time in American domestic politics.

    Moe Lane

    *And, for the record: I think that a site where the previous building was damaged by wreckage from the crashes qualifies as being ‘in Ground Zero.’ Not at the epicenter, but definitely within the the geographical boundaries.

    **Just as well, really: they didn’t actually go to the Gulf. I cannot wait to run somebody against this guy in an atmosphere where the President’s missteps are not largely automatically covered up by the media.

  276. I don’t know if this was ever discussed on this blog. Although the attached below is from last October, I have to wonder if their relationship is not that great, and if that’s the reason why Meechelle wasn’t around for barack’s birthday. I also think that Meechelle should be more concerned about his “Guy Fans” since I believe he his gay. If a guy was grabbing his butt, he probably would not have made any comments about it. He doesn’t want females grabbing him because he would prefer it to be men.
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    Michelle Obama Furious Over Obama’s “Lady Fans”

    Michelle Obama, the First Lady, is said to be furious over all the Obama-crazed women that are throwing themselves at the President. Read more on this story below.

    Nobel Prize winner or not, it seems Obama is in the doghouse with all the attention he is receiving from the ladies. Some are saying their marriage could be in trouble!

    The Enquirer has talked to sources that reveal details on the Obama’s marriage. There is more to be read in Christopher Andersen writes in his just-published book, Barack and Michelle: Portrait of an American Marriage.

    “Andersen’s book has opened a hornet’s nest about the actual state of the marriage and how close to destruction it was – and still could be if the first lady continues to remain infuriated by women hitting on her husband,” a Washington, D.C., the source said.

    Barack Obama, 48, attracts lots of female fans, who come on to him in crowds. Many try and give him their telephone number.

    “On more than one occasion, Barack tried not to look startled when some woman in the crowd would give his derriere a firm squeeze.”

    After one campaign in Illinois, Obama returned to his car, swearing: “I wish they’d stop grabbing my ass.”

    Of course pissed off, Michelle says: “I want to tell these women, ‘Back off. Get a life.’ It’s just embarrassing, that’s all.”

    Michelle knows Obama already has a big ego so probably enjoys all the female attention. “‘He’s loving it,’ Michelle muttered at one point. ‘He’s a man, isn’t he?’”

    Michelle, 45, sees women hitting on her husband at White House functions and formal events, sometimes right in front of her. –

    “It drives her absolutely batty. Barack laughs it off. Michelle has wigged out over it repeatedly – and it’s led to verbal fights.”

    Michelle has confided to her mother: “Barack just doesn’t seem to care what I think. He can be so selfish – and I just can’t get through to him that we’re supposed to be in this together.”

    The author adds: “She went so far as to question whether, after eight years of marriage, their days as a couple were numbered. For his part, Barack was also fed up with reprimands that he felt were ‘unfair.’”

    A D.C. source has said, “Barack often slept downstairs on a couch when Michelle got mad enough to ban him from the bedroom.

    “And when things got real ugly, he crashed for days at buddies’ places. It happened a lot, and EVERYONE knew why.”

    Do any of you women out there blame Michelle? Wouldn’t you be pissed too?

  277. Not a fan of Morris…but I am making an exception this time.

    MORRIS: Michelle’s travels will trigger backlash

    During the early Clinton years —- 1993 and 1994 —-the first couple vacationed in Martha’s Vineyard hobnobbing with celebrities and cruising on Ted Kennedy’s yacht. The result was that during each of the two summers, as they dived into the surf, so they dived in the polls. The last drop, after the summer of 1994, played a role in their loss of their congressional majorities a few months later. Now Michelle Obama is making the same mistake … and at a worse time.

    Voters are highly sensitive to where their elected officials vacation, especially when they cannot afford a vacation and have to take a “stay-cation” instead. Now, with unemployment at almost 10 percent and underemployment reaching nearly 20 percent, voters are not likely to take any vicarious pleasure from the recreation of the first family —- particularly since they are paying for it.

    Not much goes on during the summer. And stories about the first lady’s travel will find plenty of dead airtime to fill on TV news shows and in newspaper columns.

    Some have compared Michelle Obama’s travels to those of former first lady Hillary Clinton. But, rushing to Hillary’s defense —- which we don’t often do —- her trip schedules were filled with visits to day care centers, women’s shelters, village health programs and the like. The only official event on Mrs. Obama’s schedule is a lunch with the king and queen of Spain. Part of the problem is that Hillary hated vacations, and Michelle, obviously, does not. But the political damage Mrs. Obama’s trip will leave behind will hurt her husband’s efforts to keep control of Congress in November.

    And they will compound the damage by vacationing in Martha’s Vineyard after her return from Spain. We already know how that plays in the polls.

    I urged the Clintons to vacation in the Rockies —- to go camping, after my polling suggested that such a trip would be much more popular to voters than splashing with celebrities in the Vineyard. They did just that in 1995 and 1996. They both hated every minute of it. But they did it, and the polls reflected their efforts.

    Now Michelle needs to learn a lesson in desperation from the Clintons.

    http://www.nctimes.com/news/opinion/columnists/morris/article_a5f17062-4fcf-50a0-8087-d874305b4258.html

  278. “Unfortunately for him, President Obama’s comments last weekend completely fouled his later attempts to tout the Gulf for tourism**.”

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    Good.

  279. nomobama
    August 16th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    “Nobel Prize winner or not”…lol make that OR NOT.

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    “After one campaign in Illinois, Obama returned to his car, swearing: “I wish they’d stop grabbing my ass.

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    Well if he would stop acting like the male version of Paris Hilton…lol…just saying.

  280. Rasmussen is full of trouble today for bambi

    65% of Voters Are Angry At Federal Government’s Policies

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2010/65_of_voters_are_angry_at_federal_government_s_policies

    60% Favor Repeal of Health Care Law, 50% Say Repeal Would Benefit Economy

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law

    North Dakota House: Berg (R) 53%, Pomeroy (D) 44% (Rasmussen says Berg slightly ahead……yeah over 50% and 9% ahead is slightly, ahuh)

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_house_of_representatives_election/north_dakota/election_2010_north_dakota_house_of_representatives

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 26% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-five percent (45%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -19

    Overall, 43% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president’s performance. Fifty-six percent (56%) disapprove.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

  281. World Net Daily said:
    It charges the Obama administration with violating federal laws to advance what the Government Accounting Office has characterized as an unlawful “covert campaign,” using federal resources “to activate a sophisticated propaganda and lobbying campaign.”

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    This is not the sort of language that the GAO, Government Accounting Office, ever uses. I expect someone is falsely attributing those words to the GAO.

  282. 2nd Congressional report today slams Obama.

    Oversight Report Slams Obama ‘Failure’ on Oil Spill

    A new oversight report from Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.), the senior Republican on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, details what many analysts see as the failures of the Obama administration during the Gulf oil spill.

    The report lays out the ways in which the administration either failed to exercise authority it had or acted in ways that hindered the massive cleanup effort, pointing out that President Barack Obama appeared less than focused on the country’s largest environmental disaster in history.

    “President Obama and Administration officials failed in several instances to remove regulatory and bureaucratic impediments, and to ensure that proper and adequate resources were available to address the BP disaster,” the report states.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/71112

  283. Washington (CNN) — Defense Robert Gates is expected to leave his post in the spring of 2011, a senior administration source told CNN on Monday. A Pentagon spokesman confirmed that Gates wants to retire some time next year. Gates was quoted in an article in the magazine Foreign Policy published Monday saying he wanted to step down before the end of 2011. … In addition, the senior official said, Gates does not want a potentially difficult confirmation battle for his successor to take place in the presidential election year of 2012.

    …………………………..

    No-one of any significance is going to want that post 1 year before an election ,certainly not anyone in the senate or house.

  284. Well, Obama promised change and big media never asked him what that meant.
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    True.
    I’m supposed to be working right now; stopped at foxnews to check djia and found this:
    Gates announces he’ll leave his Pentagon post by the end of 2011.

  285. moononpluto
    August 16th, 2010 at 11:34 am
    Washington (CNN) — Defense Robert Gates is expected to leave his post in the spring of 2011
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    Media already speculating that Hillary should take over. LOL…they want her for everything.

  286. ok, i’ll bite, Gates, you retire in 2011, Biden you move to Defense, Hillary take VP only on proviso Obama declares not to run again in 2012.

    There, we’re all happy now.

  287. JanH
    August 16th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Here we go…

    August 15, 2010

    Hillary and the Ground Zero Mosque Imam
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    yup, we knew that was coming- may the wisdom of Solomon rest on her head!

  288. Media already speculating that Hillary should take over. LOL…they want her for everything
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    Those pricks want her for every role in the administration except one: president–the role she is best qualified for. They even offer this phony 2016 president shoe in meme which is fantasy island. They are begging her not to run against their prince of fools. National and domestic events are likely to overtake their self serving delusions, and force the issue sooner rather than later. This country is in real trouble and it makes no sense to think too far into the future.

  289. No-one of any significance is going to want that post 1 year before an election ,certainly not anyone in the senate or house.
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    Correct. It would be a good job for a loser like General McPeak.

  290. WASHINGTON (AP) — Homebuilder confidence dropped for the third straight month in August as the struggling economy and a flood of cheap foreclosed properties kept people from buying new homes. The National Association of Home Builders said its monthly index of builders’ sentiment about the housing market fell to 13, the lowest reading since March 2009. The index is adjusted for seasonal factors. Readings below 50 indicate negative sentiment about the market. The last time the index was above 50 was in April 2006.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Homebuilder-confidence-sinks-apf-2415930954.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=

  291. Israel’s Netanyahu Poised to Take Out Iran’s Nuclear Sites
    Monday, 16 Aug 2010 09:43 AM Article Font Size
    By: George Will

    When Israel declared independence in 1948, it had to use mostly small arms to repel attacks by six Arab armies. Today, however, Israel feels, and is, more menaced than it was then, or has been since. Hence the potentially world-shaking decision that will be made here, probably within two years.

    To understand the man who will make it, begin with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s belief that stopping Iran’s nuclear weapons program is integral to stopping the worldwide campaign to reverse 1948. It is, he says, a campaign to “put the Jew back to the status of a being that couldn’t defend himself — a perfect victim.”

    Today’s Middle East, he says, reflects two developments. One is the rise of Iran and militant Islam since the 1979 revolution, which led to al-Qaida, Hamas, and Hezbollah. The other development is the multiplying threat of missile warfare.

    Now Israel faces a third threat, the campaign to delegitimize it in order to extinguish its capacity for self-defense.

    After two uniquely perilous millennia for Jews, the creation of Israel meant, Netanyahu says, “the capacity for self-defense restored to the Jewish people.” But note, he says, the reflexive worldwide chorus of condemnation when Israel responded with force to rocket barrages from Gaza and from southern Lebanon. There is, he believes, a crystallizing consensus that “Israel is not allowed to exercise self-defense.”

    From 1948 through 1973, he says, enemies tried to “eliminate Israel by conventional warfare.” Having failed, they tried to demoralize and paralyze Israel with suicide bombers and other terrorism. “We put up a fence,” Netanyahu says. “Now they have rockets that go over the fence.” Israel’s military, which has stressed offense as a solution to the nation’s lack of strategic depth, now stresses missile defense.

    That, however, cannot cope with Hamas’ tens of thousands of rockets in Gaza and Hezbollah’s 60,000 in southern Lebanon. There, U.N. resolution 1701, promulgated after the 2006 war, has been predictably farcical. This was supposed to inhibit the arming of Hezbollah and prevent its operations south of the Litani River.

    Since 2006, Hezbollah’s rocket arsenal has tripled and its operations mock resolution 1701. Hezbollah, learning from Hamas, now places rockets near schools and hospitals, certain that Israel’s next response to indiscriminate aggression will turn the world media into a force multiplier for the aggressors.

    Any Israeli self-defense anywhere is automatically judged “disproportionate.” Israel knows this as it watches Iran.

    Last year was Barack Obama’s wasted year of “engaging” Iran. This led to sanctions that are unlikely to ever become sufficiently potent. With Russia, China, and Turkey being uncooperative, Iran is hardly “isolated.” The Iranian democracy movement probably cannot quickly achieve regime change. It took Solidarity 10 years to do so against a Polish regime less brutally repressive than Iran’s.

    Hillary Clinton’s words about extending a “defense umbrella over the region” imply, to Israelis, fatalism about a nuclear Iran. As for deterrence working against a nuclear-armed regime steeped in an ideology of martyrdom, remember: In 1980, Ayatollah Khomeini said: “We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.”

    You say, that was long ago? Israel says, this is now:

    Iran’s supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, says Israel is the “enemy of God.” Tehran, proclaiming that the Holocaust never happened and vowing to complete it, sent an ambassador to Poland who in 2006 wanted to measure the ovens at Auschwitz to prove them inadequate for genocide. Iran’s former president, Hashemi Rafsanjani, who is considered a “moderate” by people for whom believing is seeing, calls Israel a “one-bomb country.”

    If Iran were to “wipe the Zionist entity off the map,” as it vows to do, it would, Netanyahu believes, achieve a regional “dominance not seen since Alexander.” Netanyahu does not say Israel will, if necessary, act alone to prevent this. Or does he?

    He says CIA Director Leon Panetta is “about right” in saying Iran can be a nuclear power in two years. He says 1948 meant this: “For the first time in 2,000 years, a sovereign Jewish people could defend itself against attack.” And he says: “The tragic history of the powerlessness of our people explains why the Jewish people need a sovereign power of self-defense.” If Israel strikes Iran, the world will not be able to say it was not warned

  292. and the biggest laugh of the day for unbelievability comes from………………..

    White House says politics had no role in President Obama’s WTC mosque remarks

    WASHINGTON — A White House spokesman said today that politics wasn’t a factor in President Obama’s remarks about building a mosque near the World Trade Center site.

    Deputy White House press secretary Bill Burton said it was “not politics” but Obama’s feeling that he had the obligation as president to “make sure people are treated equally” under the Constitution.

    Obama has said that religious freedom allows the mosque to be built, but without commenting on the wisdom of building one two blocks from ground zero.

    Republicans have pounded him for his comments, making it a prime midterm election issue.

    Burton said Obama “felt it was his obligation as president to address this.” Obama was on the way to Wisconsin for fundraising.

    Obama endorsed the plan on Friday night, but pulled back on his support over the weekend.

    This comes as the leader of the Hamas terror group on Sunday jumped into the emotional debate on the plan to construct a mosque near Ground Zero — insisting Muslims “have to build” it there.

    “We have to build everywhere,” said Mahmoud al-Zahar, a co-founder of Hamas and the organization’s chief on the Gaza Strip

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/white_house_says_politics_had_remarks_QE8d71l3g91rlX7IWRDWeO

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    Would that be the same President who refused to defend and treat Michigan and Florida “equally” in the 2008 primaries.

  293. I guarantee you that the community center part will be set up in such a way that anyone who is a non-Muslim will not want to visit there because they will not be comfortable there, and would feel out of place.

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    Their board of directors would have equal numbers of Christians, Jews, and Muslims.

    All your dire guarantees would apply even if they built it in another location.

  294. Hawaii proposes to give homeless a one-way ticket out of the state

    As the economy continues to stumble, homelessness has skyrocketed, leaving many states grappling with an expensive and delicate issue — what to do with the growing population of people finding refuge in shelters, parks and the streets. Hawaii, where a recent census showed that the homeless population on the island of Oahu skyrocketed by 15% in one year, has come up with a creative yet controversial plan to deal with its homeless problem: ship them to another state.

    Hawaii’s government and many of its residents worry that the homeless encampments dotting its beaches sap precious state resources and scare away tourists — a source of income that the state desperately relies on. Many support a proposal that the state pay to send some of its homeless population back to where they came from, provided there is someone to take them in. The rationale: Spending $300 for a one-way ticket to the West Coast is far cheaper than the $35,000 per year it costs to provide a homeless person with social services, according to the Associated Press.

    “If clear parameters are set — a verified family member willing to take them in, the homeless person actually wants to leave — then I think it makes perfect sense,” says John Cheever, a teacher at Punahou School who lives in Honolulu.

    “The one-way plane fare is far less costly than the cost to support out-of-state residents and straining our social service infrastructure,” says Yvette Maskrey, a district manager for Honeywell who lives in Aiea, Hawaii. “Our charitable donations and tax monies should be prioritized and directed to local residents who are in dire need of these services.”

    The plane-ticket proposal, which is estimated to cost about $100,000, is aimed at the growing non-resident homeless population. It’s estimated that 30% of Hawaii’s homeless come from out of state. The attraction of Hawaii to those down on their luck is fairly obvious. Besides featuring gorgeous weather, Hawaii has jobs at a time when many other states are suffering. Unemployment in June was 6.3%, the sixth lowest in the U.S., and well below the national rate of 9.5%.
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    Obama has pumped billions of dollars into HI’s economy. The salient thought about this article is the low employment figure in spite of the homelessness.

  295. SMART DEMS FLEE OBAMA’S TOXIC COATTAILS (PART I)

    As I recall, back in the primaries in 2008, another reason to support Obama rather than Hillary was that HE could unite the party…

    stltoday.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/article_a07d350a-a43b-11df-a1d0-00127992bc8b.html

    AUSTIN, Texas — President Barack Obama shared an enthusiastic handshake and a hearty clap on the shoulder with this state’s Republican governor, Rick Perry, when Air Force One touched down here Monday.

    But while Perry, who is running for re-election, stood on the tarmac and clapped for the president, his Democratic challenger, Bill White, was nowhere to be seen.

    The decision by White, a former mayor of Houston, to avoid the visit of a sitting president from his own party needed little explanation: As a moderate Democrat in a state controlled by Republicans, he could ill afford to cozy up to Obama, who is being characterized as a tax-and-spend liberal by some of Texas’ more conservative politicians, and by White himself.

    The disappearing act by White, who said he would be on the campaign trail elsewhere in the state, points up a conundrum for Obama in this midterm election season. While the president remains a powerful fundraiser for the Democratic Party – he brought in more than $1.6 million Monday during back-to-back events in Austin and Dallas – his travels do not always sit well with the candidates whose campaigns he is hoping to help.

    Some are distancing themselves. During Obama’s recent visit to Georgia, Roy Barnes, the former governor who is running to reclaim his job, found reason to stay away. Here in Texas, as White made himself scarce, Republicans made hay of the visit, with a news release featuring a picture of Obama in a cowboy hat under the headline “Alone on the Range.”

    The president paired his fundraising swing with a policy event, a speech at the University of Texas, Austin, in which he made the case that “education is an economic issue” and restated his call for the United States to produce an additional eight million college graduates by the year 2020.

    But the bulk of the trip was devoted to politicking, and Obama made no bones about it.

    “We have spent the last 20 months governing,” he said at a luncheon with donors in Austin. “They spent the last 20 months politicking. Now we’ve got three months to go, and so we’ve decided, well, we can politick for three months. They’ve forgotten I know how to politic pretty good.”

    The White House often pairs policy trips with fundraising events, so the taxpayers can pick up part of the expense, a practice common to past administrations as well. On Monday, Obama began his day with the Austin fundraiser, a lunch that raised $1 million for the Democratic National Committee. Of that, $250,000 was to go to the Texas Democratic Party, presumably to help candidates including White.

    The president ended his day in the Dallas suburb of Highland Park at the home of Russell Budd, a prominent plaintiff’s lawyer, who hosted a cocktail party that raised $650,000 for the committee that helps elect Senate Democrats.

    It is tough to be a Democrat in Texas; Obama lost this state in 2008 by nearly one million votes. Still, Bill Burton, the deputy White House press secretary, said he saw no broader message in White’s absence.

    “I don’t think it says anything broadly about the president’s coattails,” Burton said. “I think it says that Bill White had something else going on today that he would rather do than campaign with the president.”

  296. TOXIC COATTAILS (PART II)

    washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/15/AR2010081502551.html

    Some Democratic candidates distance themselves from Obama
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    By Chris Cillizza
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Monday, August 16, 2010

    Fight or flight?

    That is the question Democratic incumbents and challengers in this fall’s elections are asking themselves when it comes to dealing with President Obama. Is the best course to distance oneself from a president whose job-approval rating has sunk below 50 percent and whose appeal to independents has gone missing? Or to embrace him and his policies — the majority of which remain quite popular with the Democratic base that will be essential to any victories that the party claims this fall?

    Powerful forces are lining up on both sides of that strategic divide.

    Democratic National Committee Chairman Tim Kaine made clear in an interview with “Fox & Friends” last week that he thinks candidates distancing themselves from the president — and from high-profile congressional leaders such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi — are making the wrong move. “I can tell you Democrats who kind of are afraid to be who they are, or pushing back on their leaders, I think they’re crazy,” Kaine said.

    And yet, in campaigns across the country, many Democrats are doing just that.

    In Indiana, Rep. Joe Donnelly is running a television ad in which he details his generally conservative stance on immigration while images of Obama and Pelosi are shown on screen. “That may not be what the Washington crowd wants, but I don’t work for them,” Donnelly says in the ad. “I work for you.”

    Rep. Travis Childers, who represents a district in northern Mississippi where Obama won just 38 percent of the vote in 2008, takes a similar approach in his TV advertising — promoting the fact that he has “voted against every big budget” since winning a special election two years ago.

    Even some Democratic candidates who are being heavily touted by the White House appear determined to keep the president at arm’s length. Shortly after Obama played a lead role in helping Sen. Michael Bennet defeat former state House speaker Andrew Romanoff in a Democratic primary fight last Tuesday, Bennet was asked whether he would want the president to campaign with him this fall. “We’ll have to see,” Bennet told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos — a response well short of a ringing endorsement of Obama’s political standing.

    One senior Democratic consultant suggested that the distance candidates are seeking to put between themselves and Obama is reflective of the ascendance of economic issues in voters’ minds. “Barack Obama’s economic policy of spending our way out of recession is seen as a failure at best and harmful at worst,” the source said. “That should tell candidates in competitive jurisdictions all they need to know about running with the president.”

    Polling on the issue is slightly less stark. In a recent Washington Post-ABC News survey, 51 percent said it was more important to have Republicans in charge of Congress “to act as a check on Obama” while 43 percent said they would rather have Democrats in charge to “help support Obama’s policies.”

    Although it appears as though most candidates won’t be following Kaine’s advice in the final three months of the midterm campaign, it’s far less clear whether any Democrat — particularly those who have spent the past two years in Congress — can succeed in gaining separation from the president.

    “Even if it made strategic sense, it is hard for Democratic incumbents with a voting record to literally distance themselves from the president,” said Democratic pollster Fred Yang.

    Obama himself has long argued behind closed doors that Democratic incumbents are stuck with him in good times and in bad; that is, voters simply will not differentiate between the Democratic president and their Democratic member of Congress in the vast majority of districts across the country.

    By embracing the president and his policies, the argument goes, the Democratic base will be fired up. And, in midterm elections, base intensity isn’t everything — it’s the only thing.

    But Tom Davis, a former congressman from Virginia and one of the Republican Party’s leading strategists, noted that although Democrats need the “Obama turnout model in urban and minority areas,” the president is “radioactive” in the “South, border and mountain states.” That push and pull creates a “dilemma” for Democrats on the ballot this fall, Davis said.

    Martin Frost, a longtime Texas Democratic congressman who, like Davis, spent much of his time in Washington focused on campaigns, said that while “candidates in the South and Midwest will need to put some distance between themselves and Obama,” the president can still help his party avoid disaster this fall.

    “Obama’s best contribution to the campaign will be to raise money for the party committees, as he did in Texas” recently, Frost said. “He can raise big money even in red states, and he shouldn’t be offended when Democrats like Bill White and Chet Edwards don’t show up for a photo,” he said, referring to the party’s candidate for Texas governor and a congressman from the state, respectively.

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