What Is A Good Muslim? The New York Mosque Of Doom

Update: Tonight Raheel Raza made the very same point we articulated: We need to support good Muslims like her, not the Muslims who want to cram down the collective throat the Obamination Mosque of Doom.



And comedian Greg Gutfeld says he is serious about building a gay bar for Muslim men right next to the Mosque of Doom. Like Barack Obama, the Mosque of Doom pretends to be a “uniter not a divider”. Prepare for more ugly division.

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One of the main arguments for building the Mosque of Doom (which will tower over the below-street-level September 11 monument to victims of Islamic terrorism) is that we Americans need to encourage “moderate Muslims”. In the wake of the murders of thousands of Americans by Muslims it is a travesty to say that it is Americans who need to display tolerance – but let’s unwind the argument. What is a “moderate Muslim”? What is a good Muslim? Which Muslims (by name) fit the bill? Which Muslims should we Americans encourage? Which Muslims do we need to support?

The answer to the last question (“Which Muslims should we Americans encourage?”) is obviously none. Americans should not be in the business of promoting one sect of Muslims over another. However, Islam in many variants is at times also a political movement, not just a run of the mill religion which seeks to peacefully spread its message and thereby gain converts.

There is embedded within Islam a main vein which we will call “political Islam”. Political Islam is what we must suppose is meant by the ostriches who say “build the Mosque” because they never acknowledge the problem of political Islam – they just shout “tolerance”. “Tolerance” to these ostriches is a nice way to say “doormat” or “appeasement”.

What Muslims should we encourage and support? How about Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah, who wrote:

“When we try to understand the reasoning behind building a mosque at the epicentre of the worst-ever attack on the U.S., we wonder why its proponents don’t build a monument to those who died in the attack?

New York currently boasts at least 30 mosques so it’s not as if there is pressing need to find space for worshippers. The fact we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as “Fitna,” meaning “mischief-making” that is clearly forbidden in the Koran.

The Koran commands Muslims to, “Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book” — i.e., Jews and Christians. Building an exclusive place of worship for Muslims at the place where Muslims killed thousands of New Yorkers is not being considerate or sensitive, it is undoubtedly an act of “fitna

What about those who propose to build the Mosque of Doom to tower over the downed Twin Towers?

“So what gives Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf of the “Cordoba Initiative” and his cohorts the misplaced idea that they will increase tolerance for Muslims by brazenly displaying their own intolerance in this case?

Do they not understand that building a mosque at Ground Zero is equivalent to permitting a Serbian Orthodox church near the killing fields of Srebrenica where 8,000 Muslim men and boys were slaughtered?

There are many questions that we would like to ask. Questions about where the funding is coming from? If this mosque is being funded by Saudi sources, then it is an even bigger slap in the face of Americans, as nine of the jihadis in the Twin Tower calamity were Saudis.

If Rauf is serious about building bridges, then he could have dedicated space in this so-called community centre to a church and synagogue, but he did not. We passed on this message to him through a mutual Saudi friend, but received no answer. He could have proposed a memorial to the 9/11 dead with a denouncement of the doctrine of armed jihad, but he chose not to.

It’s a repugnant thought that $100 million would be brought into the United States rather than be directed at dying and needy Muslims in Darfur or Pakistan.

Let’s not forget that a mosque is an exclusive place of worship for Muslims and not an inviting community centre. Most Americans are wary of mosques due to the hard core rhetoric that is used in pulpits. And rightly so. As Muslims we are dismayed that our co-religionists have such little consideration for their fellow citizens and wish to rub salt in their wounds and pretend they are applying a balm to sooth the pain“.

The truth shall set you free!

“Today we speak the truth, knowing very well Muslims have forgotten this crucial injunction from Allah.

If this mosque does get built, it will forever be a lightning rod for those who have little room for Muslims or Islam in the U.S. We simply cannot understand why on Earth the traditional leadership of America’s Muslims would not realize their folly and back out in an act of goodwill.

As for those teary-eyed, bleeding-heart liberals such as New York mayor Michael Bloomberg and much of the media, who are blind to the Islamist agenda in North America, we understand their goodwill.

Unfortunately for us, their stand is based on ignorance and guilt, and they will never in their lives have to face the tyranny of Islamism that targets, kills and maims Muslims worldwide, and is using liberalism itself to destroy liberal secular democratic societies from within“.

Many of those who cheer lead the Mosque of Doom wept at the death of Neda during the recent Iranian street rebellion. But there is another Neda who still lives. The American Neda is alive but her mother is not. Neda’s Muslim mother was killed at the Twin Towers butchery.

Neda Bolourchi is a voice to be encouraged and supported:

“I have no grave site to visit, no place to bring my mother her favorite yellow flowers, no spot where I can hold my weary heart close to her. All I have is Ground Zero.

On the morning of Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001, I watched as terrorists slammed United Flight 175 into the South Tower of the World Trade Center, 18 minutes after their accomplices on another hijacked plane hit the North Tower. My mother was on the flight. I witnessed her murder on live television. I still cannot fully comprehend those images. In that moment, I died as well. I carry a hole in my heart that will never be filled.

From the first memorial ceremonies I attended at Ground Zero, I have always been moved by the site; it means something to be close to where my mother may be buried, it brings some peace. That is why the prospect of a mosque near Ground Zero — or a church or a synagogue or any religious or nationalistic monument or symbol — troubles me.

I was born in pre-revolutionary Iran. My family led a largely secular existence — I did not attend a religious school, I never wore a headscarf — but for us, as for anyone there, Islam was part of our heritage, our culture, our entire lives. Though I have nothing but contempt for the fanaticism that propelled the terrorists to carry out their murderous attacks on Sept. 11, I still have great respect for the faith. Yet, I worry that the construction of the Cordoba House Islamic cultural center near the World Trade Center site would not promote tolerance or understanding; I fear it would become a symbol of victory for militant Muslims around the world“.

The Mosque of Doom will be viewed by the worst elements in Islam as vindication and a portent of eventual victory over the West and its liberal values of tolerance. The Mosque of Doom is an act of intolerance by those who pretend to speak in the name of tolerance but represent a fanaticism that declares they are right and anyone who opposes them is doomed.

“When I am asked about the people who murdered my mother, I try to hold back my anger. I try to have a more spiritual perspective. I tell myself that perhaps what happened was meant to happen — that it was my mother’s destiny to perish this way. I try to take solace in the notion that her death has forced a much-needed conversation and reevaluation of the role of religion in the Muslim community, of the duties and obligations that the faith imposes and of its impact on the non-Muslim world.

But a mosque near Ground Zero will not move this conversation forward. There were many mosques in the United States before Sept. 11; their mere existence did not bring cross-cultural understanding. The proposed center in New York may be heralded as a peace offering — may genuinely seek to focus on “promoting integration, tolerance of difference and community cohesion through arts and culture,” as its Web site declares — but I fear that over time, it will cultivate a fundamentalist version of the Muslim faith, embracing those who share such beliefs and hating those who do not“.

Who does the Mosque of Doom empower? The Mosque of Doom empowers the very forces Americans and Western liberal values should resist.

“The Sept. 11 attacks were the product of a hateful ideology that the perpetrators were willing to die for. They believed that all non-Muslims are infidels and that the duty of Muslims is to renounce them. I am not a theologian, but I know that the men who killed my mother carried this message in their hearts and minds. Obedient and dutiful soldiers, they marched toward their promised rewards in heaven with utter disregard for the value of the human beings they killed.

I know Ground Zero is not mine alone; I must share this sanctuary with tourists, politicians, anyone who chooses to come, whatever their motivations or intentions. But a mosque nearby — even a proposed one — is already transforming the site from a sacred ground for reflection, so desperately needed by the families who lost loved ones, to a battleground for religious and political ideologies. So many people from different nationalities and religions were killed that day. This site should be a neutral place for all to come in peace and remember. I believe my mother would have thought so as well.

The Iranian revolution compelled my family to flee to America when I was 12 years old. Yet, just over two decades later, the militant version of our faith caught up with us on a September morning. I still identify as a Muslim. When you are born into a Muslim family, there is no way around it, no choices available: You are Muslim. I am not ashamed of my faith, but I am ashamed of what is done in its name.

On the day I left Ground Zero shortly after the tragedy, I felt that I was abandoning my mother. It was like being forced to leave the bedside of a loved one who is dying, knowing you will never see her again. But I felt the love and respect of all those around me there, and it reassured me that she was being left in good hands. Since I cannot visit New York as often as I would like, I at least want to know that my mother can rest in peace.

I do not like harboring resentment or anger, but I do not want the death of my mother — my best friend, my hero, my strength, my love — to become even more politicized than it already is. To the supporters of this new Islamic cultural center, I must ask: Build your ideological monument somewhere else, far from my mother’s grave, and let her rest.”

The Muslims we need to encourage will be buried by the Mosque of Doom. The Muslims we need to resist will celebrate.

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196 thoughts on “What Is A Good Muslim? The New York Mosque Of Doom

  1. The latest Fox & Friends installment on the 2008 primaries (already posted but worth repeated viewing):

  2. Well said Admin. No doubt however “some” will criticize your post today.

    This post needed to be said. Certain “people” are sticking two fingers in the air at us over this planned building. Its like us asking if we could build a church next to where we dropped bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan. I can guarantee you the reaction you would get. Plenty of other places to site it, you don’t stick a knife back into an open wound unless you intend to cause more harm, simple as that.

    This is my opinion and I’m not apologizing for it.

  3. Neda Borlourchi stated, “When you are born into a Muslim family, there is no way around it, no choices available: You are Muslim.” Question: So does this verify that The Won is a muslim?

  4. “The Sept. 11 attacks were the product of a hateful ideology that the perpetrators were willing to die for. They believed that all non-Muslims are infidels and that the duty of Muslims is to renounce them. I am not a theologian, but I know that the men who killed my mother carried this message in their hearts and minds. Obedient and dutiful soldiers, they marched toward their promised rewards in heaven with utter disregard for the value of the human beings they killed.””

    The hateful ideology that the perpetrators were willing to die for is Islam itself. I’m sorry to have to write this but I have studied this religion for many years now and the root of its evil is in the Quran itself. Muslim apologists will likely point to peaceful portions of the Quran to justify the claim that Islam is a peaceful religion. But they are either ignorant or lying. There is a way to reconcile competing verses in the Quran and that is called abrogation. The concept of abrogation in Islam means that the verses that were written later will supersede the ones written earlier. All peaceful verses were written earlier and therefore abrogated.

    The only way that Islam will be moderated is if the truth about these hateful verses are brought to light. Religions should not be exempt from criticism. Only when religions are criticized and challenged do they reform. This is what happened to Christianity during the reformation. This is what should happen to Islam.

  5. I see you have posted the video of Will on Fox and Friends again, Admin — thanks for keeping it alive.

    Now back to reading your awesome post – Admin.
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    It is not too late to try and get Fox to cover more of the story, I advise everyone that can, to please email them, thanking them for covering the story and to continue doing so…

    We can’t let the story go this easily, we have worked too had to give up.

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    Many of you know that Fox and Friends has done a short series on the 2008 caucus fraud, and last Sunday, Will Bower was on the show talking about what happened and the new meetings to ‘fix’ the caucus problem. (No real fix).

    PUMAs please send an email to Fox and Friends for the series in hopes that the feedback will encourage Fox to do more of the story. You can email them at:

    friends @ foxnews dot com

    KUDOS to Will!!!!

  6. ShortTermer

    The fact of the matter is, if you are born a muslim, you are a muslim you can’t renounce it according to strict islam and anyone who does according to strict islam, is an “apostate” and is likely to be fatwa’ed.

    No 2 ways about it. Thank God we have freedom of religion in the USA but if Obama was anywhere in the muslim world, he would be considered apostate and most likely face extreme consequences.

  7. Just watched Hillary speak about the aid workers killed in Afganistan, when she was finished delivering the speech, Richard Holbrooke took the podium for the press conference. Hillary stood behind in for 15 seconds and then left behind the double doors. Holbrook took maybe 3 questions and they cut away for Odumbo’s speech in Austin.

    IF I didn’t know better that seems to be an effort to always put Odumbo on the podium at approximately the same time as Hillary is on?? What’s up with that??
    Holbrooke looked a little off after Hillary’s exit…he kept looking at the double doors behind him as she left…he looked a little shocked…

    Something is not right…something is up between Hillary and Odumbo….

  8. the construction of the Cordoba House Islamic cultural center near the World Trade Center site would not promote tolerance or understanding; I fear it would become a symbol of victory for militant Muslims around the world“.
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    How could it be otherwise?

    The test here is not how the wealthy over educated liberal elites in the United States view the proposition, any more than the way their counterparts in the Arab world view the proposition. The test is how will it be viewed by the Arab street, which is the breeding ground and recruitment center for terrorism. The liberal elites believe the construction of a Mosque on the hallowed ground of the 9/11 attack will be viewed as an act of magnanimity by the Arab street and a testament to the virtue and rectitude of those who support the project. Unfortunately, the Arab street will view it just the opposite. They will see it as a symbol of victory over the Great Satan. And when they are prodded to accept the more enlightened view proffered by the elites, their question will be would they be building a mosque here if there had been no 9/11 attack?

    While pointy headed intellectuals debate the esoteric aspects of this foolish proposal, New Yorkers themselves may feel constrained to take matters into their own hands. In the old days, if you wanted to erect a building in New York City and failed to grease the right palms, your cement did not get delivered, and you encountered unforeseen cost overruns. Lest we forget, New York is the kind of town where everyone has a scam they are peddling, from the street vendors to the Ivy Leaguers in plush offices. If they put their mind to it, my sense is this thing can be stopped regardless of what the pointy headed intellectuals think. Of course I am just a guess’n.

    Simply put, for the reasons discussed above, it is best interests of this country that this mosque not be built.

  9. Yeah Confloyd, what was that about, they do that all the time, they are trying to upstage, remember throughout the primaries, anytime Hillary had to be one step ahead because they kept doing that, everytime, she spoke, they’d cut away to him. She got wise to it and knew to come on ahead of schedule and catch him out.

    it was never right between her and Odumbo, you don’t go through a gruelling fight like 08 and not have resentment and bad feeling and frankly, deservedly so, she had her nomination, cheatead and stolen from her.

    I’d be majorly pissed for ever if it was me.

  10. AUGUST 10, 2010

    Hillary for Vice President?
    The movement is gaining traction…

    By JOHN FUND

    As President Obama sinks in the polls, Democrats and liberal pundits inevitably are searching for a scapegoat. The most likely victim appears to be gaffe-prone Vice President Joe Biden, who has become the focus of speculation that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton just might replace him on the 2012 Democratic ticket.

    Former Virginia Gov. Doug Wilder, his state’s first African-American governor, touched off the controversy. Writing at Politico.com last week, Mr. Wilder argued that Mr. Biden’s tenure has been undistinguished and chock full of “too many YouTube moments.” He charged that Mr. Biden “has continued to undermine what little confidence the public may have had in him.”

    By way of contrast, Mr. Wilder says that Hillary Clinton has excelled in her role. “Clinton has been nothing but a team player who has earned good marks since being asked to serve as secretary of state.” Having Mrs. Clinton join the 2012 ticket, he said, would revive the Democratic Party and reestablish the party’s working-class voters who found her appealing during the 2012 primaries against Mr. Obama.

    Pundits jumped on Mr. Wilder’s comments and expressed near-universal approval. On his syndicated national show, Chris Matthews of MSNBC assembled a panel to discuss the Wilder intervention. Howard Fineman of Newsweek, a longtime Hillary watcher, said Mrs. Clinton would accept a place on the 2012 ticket “in a second.” John Heilemann, a reporter New York magazine, said the major obstacle would be to “figure out a way for Biden to slide aside happily” and suggested that Mr. Biden replace Mrs. Clinton as Secretary of State.

    Along the way, Mr. Heilemann outlined why President Obama just might want to have a steadier hand at his side for his re-election campaign: “The Republican attack on Obama is going to revolve around ‘too liberal,’ but also ‘too incompetent.’ . . . They’re going to say, ‘Look, you hired this guy. He was too young for this job. He didn’t know what he was doing. He didn’t have the experience, and look what’s happened.'”

    Hmmm. Sounds a lot like the campaign Mrs. Clinton ran against Barack Obama in 2008, complete with that infamous commercial asking voters who they wanted in the White House when a 3 a.m. crisis call came in.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704388504575419421407147424.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

  11. I don’t want Hillary to be dragged into obama’s mess. And that is what I see happening if they push her into being his v.p.

  12. Janh

    That article just made me barf. The very thought of Hillary propping him up is nauseating.

  13. Well heck! Now that they are building one right on site, these suicide hijackers can move right in.

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    Hamburg shuts down mosque known as meeting place for 9/11 hijackers

    (CNN) — The city of Hamburg, Germany, has shut down a mosque frequented by the suicide hijackers from the September 11, 2001, terror attacks, along with an adjacent cultural center, and banned the cultural organization behind it, officials said.

    The Taiba organization’s committee was notified of the ban early Monday, according to a statement from the Interior Senate of Hamburg. “At the same time, the group’s premises and the homes of its leading members were searched and the organization’s funds seized,” the statement said.

    In 2001, the Masjid Taiba mosque, formerly known as the Al-Quds mosque, became known as the meeting place of those behind the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington.

    “Recent events have again shown that instructional courses, sermons and seminars held by the organization and texts published on its website are not only aimed against constitutional regularity, but also seek to radicalize their listeners and readers,” the town statement said.

    In 2009, the statement said, a group of individuals left Germany “to support the armed conflict on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border after having previously attended Taiba events on a regular basis.” One of them later appeared in a German-language video soliciting support for the so-called “Holy War,” officials said.

    “Hamburg must not serve as the incubator for Islamists willing to employ violence,” said Christoph Ahlhaus, head of Hamburg’s interior ministry, in the statement. “We have closed the Taiba Mosque today as it was here that young men have been converted into religious fanatics. Behind the scenes, an alleged cultural organization has shamelessly exploited the freedoms of our constitutional democracy to promote the cause of the ‘Holy War.’

    “We have today banned this association of radical extremists and in so doing, put an end to the anti-constitutional activities in the mosque,” Ahlhaus said.

    Over the years, the organization has promoted a “jihadist, aggressive and anti-democratic ideology and notion of religion, and continued to do so,” Ahlhaus said in the statement. “We do not tolerate organizations that act aggressively and militantly against constitutional regularity and the concept of international understanding.”

    He noted that the closure was not aimed “against the majority of peace-loving and law-abiding Muslims in Hamburg.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/08/09/germany.mosque/

  14. Er, when you make a memorial below ground level, just about ANYTHING built by anybody is going to ‘tower over’ it….

  15. (GROAN…) NOT AGAIN. RIBBON-CUTTER-IN-CHIEF IS UP TO ANYTHING THAT GETS HIM OUT FROM BEHIND HIS DESK

    Notice the title is: “Obama gets to test his game against hoops greats”.

    Not: “Obama gets to test his game against world leaders”

    or not: “Obama gets to test his game against dangerous dictators”.

    washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/08/AR2010080801558.html

    Obama gets to test his game against hoops greats
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    By Michael D. Shear
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Monday, August 9, 2010

    Every hoops fan dreams of that one special birthday when his pro-ball heroes gather on a court to see if he’s got game.

    President Obama had that chance Sunday, assembling a virtual dream team of college and pro basketball players for a presidential pickup game in front of wounded veterans and participants in a White House mentoring program.

    Obama, who turned 49 on Wednesday, took to the court for a game with a stunning list of all-stars, including Grant Hill, Shane Battier, Carmelo Anthony, Chauncey Billups, Derek Fisher, LeBron James, Earvin “Magic” Johnson, Maya Moore, Alonzo Mourning, Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, Bill Russell, Etan Thomas, Dwyane Wade and David West. The game was closed to the media.

    Kobe Bryant was there but didn’t play, according to the White House, and aides provided no details about the game, which took place at Fort McNair in the District, where Obama often plays basketball with friends.

    The presidential motorcade of black SUVs returned to the White House after about two hours for an evening barbecue on the South Lawn. Reporters could see grills being set up on the grass.

    The White House provided few details about the festivities but confirmed that the president and his guests would be dining on shrimp harvested from the Gulf of Mexico.

    Obama is known for throwing a few elbows on the court and for having a fierce determination to win. But the 6-foot-2 commander in chief had his work cut out for him. A number of the players were 6-8 or taller.

    Obama was the nation’s bachelor in chief this weekend. His wife and younger daughter returned from a brief vacation in Spain in time for the barbecue, and his elder daughter was at camp.

    With his family away, Obama made it an all-sports-all-the-time weekend. He spent four hours at the Andrews Air Force Base golf course Saturday with longtime friends from Chicago and Hawaii, including Wahid Hamid, Laurent Delanney, Marvin Nicholson, Greg Orme, Bobby Titcomb, Michael Ramos, Marty Nesbitt and Eric Whitaker.

    That crew was said to be attending the barbecue Sunday at the White House, as well. No word on how many of them joined in the hoops competition.

    Basketball is undergoing a renaissance at the White House under Obama, who had a court built on what had been the presidential tennis courts. He plays with staff members and friends, including aide Reggie Love, who was on the NCAA-champion Duke team in 2001.

    But in June 2009, when the basketball court was being built, the president told Bloomberg News that he was itching for some professional competition.

    “As soon as we get the basketball nets up, we’re going to have some of these guys over for a game,” he said of pros such as James.

    Asked by Bloomberg whether he would be playing, Obama said: “Of course. It’s my court.”

  16. moon,

    Not just that, but how would the work be divided? He would probably take the credit for all her positive results and throw her under the bus for the negatives.

  17. Personally, I agree with Sarah Palin, except for the word ‘mosque.’

    Here’s what the promoters of Cordoba House say on their own website.

    http://www.cordobainitiative.org

    “13 stories …. a 500-seat auditorium, swimming pool, art exhibition spaces, bookstores, restaurants”

    That would be quite a ‘mosque’! It even sounds kind of worldly for a YMCA. Are we to call every YMCA in the world a ‘Christian cathedral’?

    Before referring to the proposed structure as a ‘mosque’, I think we should have some evidence as to just how much square footage would in fact be the ‘prayer room’ or whatever, and what the specs for it are. Considering the content of their website, I expect they’d either have the sort of generic ‘meditation room’ or ‘chapel’ one finds in, eg, a VA hospital — or, in such a large building, separate chapels dedicated for each of the three faiths they want to serve (ie the three ‘peoples of the Book’).

  18. Gingrich’s version of the history of Cordoba is about as fair as his version of the Impeachment of Bill Clinton.

    Here is an excerpt from a very interesting article by a real expert in Medieval history.

    http://gotmedieval.blogspot.com/2010/08/professor-newts-distorted-history.html
    “If it’s legitimate for Newt Gingrich to say the Great Mosque of Cordoba was built by Muslim Conquerors in their capital city wishing to symbolize their victory over the Christians, then it’d be just as legitimate to describe the Statue of Liberty as being built by English conquerors in their capital of New York to symbolize their victory over the Dutch.”

  19. Let’s just send the people who want to build the mosque at Ground Zero a boat load of salt so they can pour it in the wounds that Americans, especially those who had loved ones at the twin towers, still suffer from at the hands of the terrorists on 9/11.

  20. once again…Hillary – No to VP…a thousand times NO…that would be a demotion for her…a loss in standing…especially if O loses…which may be very likely…and then Hillary is tarnished forever with the O brand…

    does anyone ever see Biden doing anything of signifcance?? why would Hillary want to play shadow to O?

    oh, the irony of it all…

    O tries to destroy the Clintons and now needs them to save his sorry behind…

    Hillary…please instead take the time to write a book…go head up a university…or start your own foundation or global initiative or programs for women…or create your own “jobs program”…whatever…the world is your oyster Hillary…do not waste the next four years cleaning up after O…

    …let him stand or fall on his own…

    …we will wait for you if need be…time goes by so fast…

  21. Not just no to Hillary being anyone’s VP, but HELL NO!!!! And as S said above, a thousand times no. I would not vote for that even if Hillary asked me to herself in preson.
    Shadowfax, I sent in an email asking for more coverage on the primary fraud, theivery, thuggery, and intimidation; I also expressed my appreciation.

    Funny, no not funny, there is a senate candidate here in central Florida that one of his mottos is “I’ve already got my jail time behind me.” I don’t know if I trust his redemption.

  22. right on Jan and ShortTermer…

    Hillary on the top of the ticket…or no Hillary…she has surpassed any question that she is qualified and ready and the best choice to be THE PRESIDENT…not the substitute or hand holder or reassurer and vote getter…

  23. John Heilemann, a reporter New York magazine, said the major obstacle would be to “figure out a way for Biden to slide aside happily” and suggested that Mr. Biden replace Mrs. Clinton as Secretary of State.
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    This guy is about as credible as the editor of Pravda. He and his side kick have a book deal riding on the myth of a successful Obama presidency. Bias, motive and interest are grounds for impeachment–his. In the case of his light of love the test is high crimes and misdeanors, etc. In sum, neither Heilman nor Halperin are credible. As for Hillary, I have no doubt the deal will be presented to her. Just knowing how these things work. It is a terrible deal however and the kind of deal she must walk away from. As vice president to this boob she cannot save the country and the ticket will lose 2012. We are looking at a Japanese style economy, and welfare state policies he promotes will hit a wall after the election, despite a growing constituency. As president she would have a free hand to tackle our problems and I have every confidence that she would. As vice president she would have less power than she does now. Her career would end in a bad way. She needs to run against him rather than with him. Period.

  24. btw…not sure if anyone has posted anything yet but have you seen todays news about the mosque in germany that has been closed…evidently one where the 9/11 martyrs were trained and then the mosque was renamed and now the Germans suspect they are recruiting again and went in and closed it down…

    why must this group insist upon being on hallowed grounds near 9/11 and then choose their opening day as 9/11…as if to pour salt on the wounds…the insensitivity speaks volumes…

  25. wbboei…have you noticed what a lapdog for O Mark Halperin has turned into???

    the man is shameless in his apologizing and spokesman for the O WH…even though he is supposed to be a “journalist”

    I do not know how he can watch himself in playback and not be embarrassed…UNLESS he is getting ready to pull a Linda Douglas (that didn’t last too long either)

  26. JanH
    I would like to think that Hillary would NEVER accept v.p. with that idiot at the helm.

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    I would like to think so too, but in fact she is on record in summer 2008 in NY Magazine and elsewhere, saying that she would accept VP if asked. Not that that commits her to do it in 2012.

  27. Noonan was late to the party. But now that she arrived she is drinking everyone else under the table. Except for Modo who in the fine tradition of Dorothy Parker was heard to say: one more drink and I will be under the host. So here is Peggy casting off the illusion that she was ever an Obama supporter, but we remember when . . .
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    America Is at Risk of Boiling Over
    And out-of-touch leaders don’t see the need to cool things off.
    By PEGGY NOONAN

    It is, obviously, self-referential to quote yourself, but I do it to make a point. I wrote the following on New Year’s day, 1994. America 16 years ago was a relatively content nation, though full of political sparks: 10 months later the Republicans would take the House for the first time in 40 years. But beneath all the action was, I thought, a coming unease. Something inside was telling us we were living through “not the placid dawn of a peaceful age but the illusory calm before stern storms.”

    The temperature in the world was very high. “At home certain trends—crime, cultural tension, some cultural Balkanization—will, we fear, continue; some will worsen. In my darker moments I have a bad hunch. The fraying of the bonds that keep us together, the strangeness and anomie of our popular culture, the increase in walled communities . . . the rising radicalism of the politically correct . . . the increased demand of all levels of government for the money of the people, the spotty success with which we are communicating to the young America’s reason for being and founding beliefs, the growth of cities where English is becoming the second language . . . these things may well come together at some point in our lifetimes and produce something painful indeed. I can imagine, for instance, in the year 2020 or so, a movement in some states to break away from the union. Which would bring about, of course, a drama of Lincolnian darkness. . . . You will know that things have reached a bad pass when Newsweek and Time, if they still exist 15 years from now, do cover stories on a surprising, and disturbing trend: aging baby boomers leaving America, taking what savings they have to live the rest of their lives in places like Africa and Ireland.”

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    I thought of this again the other day when Drudge headlined increasing lines in London for Americans trading in their passports over tax issues, and the sale of Newsweek for $1.

    Our problems as a nation have been growing on us for a long time. Their future growth, and the implications of that growth, could be predicted. But there is one thing that is both new since 1994 and huge. It took hold and settled in after the crash of 2008, but its causes were not limited to the crash.

    The biggest political change in my lifetime is that Americans no longer assume that their children will have it better than they did. This is a huge break with the past, with assumptions and traditions that shaped us.

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    The country I was born into was a country that had existed steadily, for almost two centuries, as a nation in which everyone thought—wherever they were from, whatever their circumstances—that their children would have better lives than they did. That was what kept people pulling their boots on in the morning after the first weary pause: My kids will have it better. They’ll be richer or more educated, they’ll have a better job or a better house, they’ll take a step up in terms of rank, class or status. America always claimed to be, and meant to be, a nation that made little of class. But America is human. “The richest family in town,” they said, admiringly. Read Booth Tarkington on turn-of-the-last-century Indiana. It’s all about trying to rise.

    Parents now fear something has stopped. They think they lived through the great abundance, a time of historic growth in wealth and material enjoyment. They got it, and they enjoyed it, and their kids did, too: a lot of toys in that age, a lot of Xboxes and iPhones. (Who is the most self-punishing person in America right now? The person who didn’t do well during the abundance.) But they look around, follow the political stories and debates, and deep down they think their children will live in a more limited country, that jobs won’t be made at a great enough pace, that taxes—too many people in the cart, not enough pulling it—will dishearten them, that the effects of 30 years of a low, sad culture will leave the whole country messed up. And then there is the world: nuts with nukes, etc.

    Optimists think that if we manage to turn a few things around, their kids may have it . . . almost as good. The country they inherit may be . . . almost as good. And it’s kind of a shock to think like this; pessimism isn’t in our DNA. But it isn’t pessimism, really, it’s a kind of tough knowingness, combined, in most cases, with a daily, personal commitment to keep plugging.

    But do our political leaders have any sense of what people are feeling deep down? They don’t act as if they do. I think their detachment from how normal people think is more dangerous and disturbing than it has been in the past. I started noticing in the 1980s the growing gulf between the country’s thought leaders, as they’re called—the political and media class, the universities—and those living what for lack of a better word we’ll call normal lives on the ground in America. The two groups were agitated by different things, concerned about different things, had different focuses, different world views.

    But I’ve never seen the gap wider than it is now. I think it is a chasm. In Washington they don’t seem to be looking around and thinking, Hmmm, this nation is in trouble, it needs help. They’re thinking something else. I’m not sure they understand the American Dream itself needs a boost, needs encouragement and protection. They don’t seem to know or have a sense of the mood of the country.

    And so they make their moves, manipulate this issue and that, and keep things at a high boil. And this at a time when people are already in about as much hot water as they can take.

    To take just one example from the past 10 days, the federal government continues its standoff with the state of Arizona over how to handle illegal immigration. The point of view of our thought leaders is, in general, that borders that are essentially open are good, or not so bad. The point of view of those on the ground who are anxious about our nation’s future, however, is different, more like: “We live in a welfare state and we’ve just expanded health care. Unemployment’s up. Could we sort of calm down, stop illegal immigration, and absorb what we’ve got?” No is, in essence, the answer.

    An irony here is that if we stopped the illegal flow and removed the sense of emergency it generates, comprehensive reform would, in time, follow. Because we’re not going to send the estimated 10 million to 15 million illegals already here back. We’re not going to put sobbing children on a million buses. That would not be in our nature. (Do our leaders even know what’s in our nature?) As years passed, those here would be absorbed, and everyone in the country would come to see the benefit of integrating them fully into the tax system. So it’s ironic that our leaders don’t do what in the end would get them what they say they want, which is comprehensive reform.

    When the adults of a great nation feel long-term pessimism, it only makes matters worse when those in authority take actions that reveal their detachment from the concerns—even from the essential nature—of their fellow citizens. And it makes those citizens feel powerless.

    Inner pessimism and powerlessness: That is a dangerous combination.

  28. wbboei…have you noticed what a lapdog for O Mark Halperin has turned into???

    the man is shameless in his apologizing and spokesman for the O WH…even though he is supposed to be a “journalist”

    I do not know how he can watch himself in playback and not be embarrassed…UNLESS he is getting ready to pull a Linda Douglas (that didn’t last too long either)
    ———————————
    Yes.

  29. After what I saw today on National TV….Hillary walking out on a question and answer session with the press….Fuck the democrats and the donkey they rode in on….she should NOT drag his sorry ass across the finish line.

  30. She was good enough to deliver the speech about the murdered Aid workers, but they had to have a man to handle the press…I’m seeing RED over this….I am pist!

  31. Wow, it does look like she had to give over the podium to the guy. Wonder what that was all about?

    If she was leaving for another appointment I would think she would have made a statement about handing over the press conference and the guy wouldn’t have done the double take when she left…

  32. AmericanGal, Did you also see Hillary look Holbrooke up and down before walking out??? She most certainly had a stern look on her face….something is up, I think!

  33. Obama warns GOP: ‘I politic pretty good’

    Speaking in Texas, President Obama today continued to ramp up his political rhetoric while also explaining what is seen as a new strategy based on attacking his predecessor — and the state’s former governor — George W. Bush.

    Without naming Bush specifically, Obama said at an Austin fundraiser that he’s drawing attention to the previous administration “because the other side isn’t offering anything new.”

    “They are trotting out the exact same ideas that got us into this mess in the first place,” he said. “Their big economic plan is to renew the tax cuts that helped to turn the surplus into a deficit … and once you get past that they don’t have another new idea.”

    Obama accused Republicans of a “fundamental lack of seriousness” in the past year and a half, only politicking while Democrats have been making tough decisions to save the nation’s economy. But now, Obama said he was ready to engage in the campaign with them.

    “We’ve got three months to go, so we figure we can politic for three months. They’ve forgotten I politic pretty good,” he said. “I’m happy to have this debate over the next several months about what their vision of the future is, because they don’t have one.”

    ………………………………………………………………………………

    Did’nt help Obama in Virginia or New Jersey when voters threw their asses out after Obama “politicked” real good there. The more they saw of him, the more they wanted to vote the Dem out…..funny that.

  34. What did Gov. Perry hand Pres. Obama?

    http://dig.abclocal.go.com/ktrk/ObamaBarack08092010.pdf

    AUSTIN, TX (KTRK) — President Obama landed in Austin this morning and was greeted by Texas Governor Rick Perry among others. The president is in Texas to deliver a speech on campus at the University of Texas and then attend a Democratic fundraiser. In video from the landing, you could see Governor Perry hand something to President Obama. Eyewitness News has obtained a copy of the letter that was exchanged. The 4-page document detailed the need for more National Guard troops on the border.

    ……………………….

    Thats a fuck you for doing nothing letter from Perry.

  35. Kirk tries to link Giannoulias to Saddam Hussein

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/2580142,kirk-giannoulias-saddam-bank-080910.article

    On a day that Democrat Alexi Giannoulias released a new commercial slamming him as a liar, Republican Mark Kirk tried to shift the focus back onto Giannoulias’ family bank, saying the bank gave a loan to Nadhmi Auchi, who Kirk said sold arms to Saddam Hussein.

    “According to the New York Times, he was a banker to Saddam Hussein,” Kirk said of Auchi. “And According to the Observer of London, he was a middleman in the billion-dollar naval arms deal between Hussein and the Italian Navy.”

    Voters should care, Kirk said: “This is not political Kryptonite — this is Hemlock,” Kirk said.

    Kirk delivered his remarks after giving a 40-minute speech on foreign policy — Iran, Afghanistan, etc. — to the Chicago Council on Global Affairs. It was the first of a series of speeches Kirk planned to “elevate” the debate above mud-slinging in the senate race, Kirk said. Then he went back to trying to link his opponent to Saddam Hussein.

    “This was a huge loan,” Kirk said of the $22.75 million loan the Sun-Times disclosed last week from Broadway Bank to Nadhmi Auchi and Tony Rezko to develop a 66-acre South Loop site. “The owners of the bank and its officers would have known that they were lending money to a convicted felon with a record of facilitating arms deals to Saddam Hussein and I’m not even talking about Tony Rezko.”

    Giannoulias’ campaign said he left the bank five months before the loan was approved and had nothing to do with it. When the loan was signed in February of 2006, Giannoulias was in the middle of a hotly contested primary election for state treasurer. But Kirk still tried to hang the loan around Giannoulias’ neck, saying Giannoulias was at least still a part-owner of the bank at the time.

    “When you look at Treasurer Giannoulias’ statements, I can’t tell when he left the bank,” Kirk said. “The other day, he said he was at the at bank in March of 2006, which would have been a month after this loan was approved. They were running a federally insured institution and so you would think that dealing with a person barred from the United States, convicted of a felony, that a simple Google search would have revealed his business dealings.”

    While at various points in the campaign Giannoulias spoke in the present tense about his position at the bank, he was on a leave of absense since September of 2005, his spokeswoman said.

    Auchi’s company continues trying to develop the 66-acre site along the Chicago River at Roosevelt and Clark.

    “This is part of a disturbing trend of Broadway Bank business policies where it just seems to be an awful lot of convicted felons, mobsters etc., . . . are part of the business portfolio,” Kirk said.

    …………………………………….

    Honey, we’ve been trying to put this lot together in the same room for years, Obama, Rezko, Auchi, Giannoulias, but the press put their fingers in the ears and went la la la la la la la.

  36. Confloyd, I saw that too…she didn’t look happy about something (or someone). Holbrooke looked surprised that she left however…

  37. mop, Perry is hitting for the same team as Obama…which is to put in the North American Union. It was probably a bag of cash for the work done so far by Obama…which is to screw the american middle class.

    I hate Perry, if he gets Potus its going to be a huge mess. I have foretold that it will be a Perry/Palin ticket in 2012′. We will see if I am right.

  38. American Gal, See it was astonishing…I am surprised Fox News has not replayed it, but they sure did NOT cut it out of the video.

    Something is up in Black Camolot!

  39. Those looks she gave Holcomb were for the camera…no doubt about it….she knew exactly what she was saying to the rest of us….she does not trust Holbrook…he is probably a Obama man…they all belong to the Chicago Men’s Club.

  40. American Gal, How many times did she look his backside up and down, twice or three times….I think it was three times….

  41. #
    S
    August 9th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    right on Jan and ShortTermer…

    Hillary on the top of the ticket…or no Hillary…she has surpassed any question that she is qualified and ready and the best choice to be THE PRESIDENT…not the substitute or hand holder or reassurer and vote getter…
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    I agree, Hillary for President!!!!!!

  42. Don’t Worry, Obama is not going to go for re-election, his ego will not allow it.

    If this Nov is devestating for the Dems, the calls for Hillary will be deafening.

  43. Shadowfax, I agree, I just could not watch what I saw today for 4 more years of these useless assholes with a penis. Watching her walk off that stage made me physically sick….they have fucked her over and over again…

    Sorry admin for the graphic language….but its getting really ugly out there!

  44. What we really need is for the two people who are REAL reformers cross parties come to a concensus and run together and kick the boyz club in the arsh….Hillary/Sarah 2012′

  45. I would vote for Hillary no matter who her VP was.

    I would not vote for Obama if Hillary were his VP. I wouldn’t vote for Obama if Gandi or Mother Teresa (RIP) ran with him.

    He has got to go…………back to the hood.

  46. Shadowfax….AGREED…he has to go and all his BS with him…he’s horrible!

    Did you watch the video I posted…if so what did you think???

  47. confloyd
    What we really need is for the two people who are REAL reformers cross parties come to a concensus and run together and kick the boyz club in the arsh….Hillary/Sarah 2012′

    ====================

    Great dream! But for something more realistic — Hillary/Gore 2012!

  48. That pompous asshole, Holbrooke. It was not his place to ask for questions and I think Hillary invited him to make a statement but he started the Q/A instead of letting her invite him to answer. What a fucking idiot he is.

  49. turndown, I would vote for a Clinton/Gore ticket again…but that freaking Gore really should realize who honors committments and it sure ain’t Obama…

  50. Here’s an Obama joke,

    Obama walked into a bar and he had a parrot on his shoulder. The bartender asked where’d you get him???

    I got him in Africa, they are all over the place there….,said the parrot!

  51. Troubled US mortgage firm Freddie Mac reported Monday a second quarter net loss of six billion dollars and sought another 1.8 billion dollars from the Treasury to contain the red ink.

    The government-backed company said its strategies to boost business and “sustainable homeownership” were taking hold but cited high unemployment posing “very real challenges” for the already embattled housing market.

    Freddie Mac suffered a 6.009 billion dollar net loss attributable to common stockholders in the April-June period from a loss of 7.980 billion dollars in the first quarter and 840 million dollars in the year ago period.

  52. JanH
    August 9th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
    AUGUST 10, 2010

    Hillary for Vice President?
    The movement is gaining traction…

    If Hillary runs as VP for Obama, I will losw all respect for her and I would not vote for that ticket.

    The dems must either chose Hillary or sink with Obama.

    I do think Hillary supporters should become very vocal in as many public forums as possible to let obots know that their fantasy is an unacceptable choice and that many Hillary supporters despise O.

  53. Gov. Rick Perry’s meeting at the Austin airport with President Barack Obama on border security lasted a mere 34 seconds, and Perry had to hand a letter on the issue to presidential adviser Valerie Jarrett because Obama declined to personally accept it.

    That did not dissuade the governor from inviting Obama to come back to Texas and tour the border with him to get a first hand look at what Perry describes as the threat from Mexican drug cartels.

    “Look, he’s got the letter. I suspect he’ll read it. I hope he responds to it,” Perry said. “This is way past partisanship or politics.”

    Perry said Obama’s decision to send 1,200 troops to the entire border with Mexico was inadequate, particularly since only 286 are coming to Texas.

    Perry said he would like a substantial meeting with Obama to discuss the need for 1,000 National Guard troops until 3,000 Border Patrol agents can be trained to take over.

    “We need a substantial amount of boots on the ground. We need the technology in the air. The predator drones. The other technologies we’ve talked about: night vision equipment, cameras, motion-detecting equipment,” Perry said.

    The governor said immigration reform is “a waste of effort until you secure the border.”

    During their airport meeting, Perry applauded as Obama came down the steps from Air Force One.

    “It’s the gracious thing to do. He’s the president of the United States,” Perry said later.

    Obama and Perry shook hands for several seconds. Obama used his free left hand to give Perry two friendly slaps on the right arm.

    When they released their handshake, Perry attempted to hand Obama a white envelope containing his letter on border security. Obama did not respond when Perry first held it forward.

    ……………………………….

    Obama, what an arrogant pig. Obama did not respond when Perry first held it forward. and “personally declined to accept a letter” from a national Gov. This guy really does think its beneath him.

  54. MOP,You’ve officially seen broadway cause all the actors involving the envelope in Texas dance to the same jerks that are running this country…and guess what they don’t care about you and me….there is two people who care and they are both women….Hillary/Sarah 12′

  55. Per the Hillary Clinton video above in which she discussed the murdered aid workers in Afghanistan, she said “terror has no religion”. Although I listened to her whole speech, which I liked, this one comment about terror, in my opinion, is not correct. Terror does have a religion, and it is call Islam. She even gave examples of this, including the hanging of a 7 year old boy. I understand that she needs to watch what she says, so I am wondering if she threw in the examples of horrific acts committed by the Taleban, to show that Islam is terror driven in many respects.

    The admin, in his/her post, indicated that Islam is “at times a political movement”. The admin is being too kind, in my opinion. Islam is a sociopolitical movement in the guise of a religion. Islam came from a deluded man who, in order to increase his power and control, invented Islam to give a perception that his deeds were directed and supported by God. Muhammed needed to appear omnipotent, and what better way to do it. Political Islam and religious Islam are one and the same.

  56. By the way, Richard Holbrooke is obama’s special envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan, and that is why Hillary gave up the mic to him. Blame that on how obama has set up his administration, with all of the people who do not fall within normal hierarchies, or job positions. Hillary’s position has been somewhat neutered by obama because he can’t have her look better than him by actually allowing her to show her stuff. I think Hillary has finally started to flex her muscle within the State Department to show that she is not obama’s lap dog, and that she takes her job seriously, regardless of the impediments that obama has placed in her way.

  57. nobama, I hope your right because what I saw today made me sick….it is clear that Holbrooke was worried that she left the area, but I guess he needed her for backbone…its clear no one of these ballless idiots have enough fortitute to go it alone…I am glad she walked off….this is what she needs to keep doing.

  58. What is a good Muslim? Surely not this bitch (excuse my language)

    Palestinian Mother Whose Son Was Saved by Israel: I hope he’ll grow up to be a suicide bomber

    Thomas Friedman of The New York Times writes about a new Israeli documentary, “Precious Life,” that tells the story of a Gazan baby saved by Israeli doctors. But the baby’s mother isn’t thankful. She tells the film makers that she hopes the boy will one day become a suicide bomber:

    From the smallest infant, even smaller than Mohammed, to the oldest person, we will all sacrifice ourselves for the sake of Jerusalem. We feel we have the right to it. You’re free to be angry, so be angry.

    But that’s not all. The baby’s medical care, totaling $55,000, was donated by an Israeli whose son was killed during military service!

    This is “peace,” Palestinian-style. We save their lives and they vow to kill us.

    http://www.worldjewishdaily.com/mom.php

  59. The Mosque of Doom will really be a uniter not a divider:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2010/08/09/greg-gutfeld-im-raising-money-to-build-a-muslim-gay-bar-next-to-the-ground-zero-mosque/

    Andy Levy assures me that he’s quite serious. Media narrative on the GZ mosque: Shining beacon of liberal values bursting through the overcast skies of American intolerance. Media narrative on the GG gay bar: Dangerous provocation that needlessly inflames cultural tensions in the ostensible service of liberal values.

    How very insensitive.[snip]

    Not an idea that would play well with Christians or Jews vis-a-vis property adjacent to a church or temple, but oh well: If we’re going to celebrate tolerance regardless of the sensitivities of the surrounding area, let’s celebrate! And the best part? Because, as we’ve been assured many times, the “Park51″ cultural center will be a model of moderation, gay Muslim men don’t have to worry about being seen entering Gut’s establishment. Flaunt it all you want, fellas; you’re in Moderate Town, U.S.A., on that block. I look forward to the congratulatory Mike Bloomberg press conference.

    Here’s the proposal:

    http://www.dailygut.com/?i=4696

    So, the Muslim investors championing the construction of the new mosque near Ground Zero claim it’s all about strengthening the relationship between the Muslim and non-Muslim world.

    As an American, I believe they have every right to build the mosque – after all, if they buy the land and they follow the law – who can stop them?

    Which is, why, in the spirit of outreach, I’ve decided to do the same thing.

    I’m announcing tonight, that I am planning to build and open the first gay bar that caters not only to the west, but also Islamic gay men. To best express my sincere desire for dialogue, the bar will be situated next to the mosque Park51, in an available commercial space.

    This is not a joke. I’ve already spoken to a number of investors, who have pledged their support in this bipartisan bid for understanding and tolerance.

    As you know, the Muslim faith doesn’t look kindly upon homosexuality, which is why I’m building this bar. It is an effort to break down barriers and reduce deadly homophobia in the Islamic world.

    The goal, however, is not simply to open a typical gay bar, but one friendly to men of Islamic faith. An entire floor, for example, will feature non-alcoholic drinks, since booze is forbidden by the faith. The bar will be open all day and night, to accommodate men who would rather keep their sexuality under wraps – but still want to dance.

    Bottom line: I hope that the mosque owners will be as open to the bar, as I am to the new mosque. After all, the belief driving them to open up their center near Ground Zero, is no different than mine.

    My place, however, will have better music.

    For investment information, contact me at dailygut.com

  60. confloyd
    August 9th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    Shadowfax….AGREED…he has to go and all his BS with him…he’s horrible!

    Did you watch the video I posted…if so what did you think???
    ———-
    I did watch the video, but since I didn’t listen to the entire clip of Hillary’s talk, and didn’t see it in context…I think that maybe the guy was ‘scheduled’ to do the Q/A part and they were watching each other to get the timing in right? You might have a different opinion since you watched the entire thing.

    Hillary is a little difficult to read sometimes…

  61. Blago trial update, just for you Confloyd…

    9 Days and the jury is still debating…

    ——-
    Blagojevich trial: Onto day 10

    on August 9, 2010

    The Blagojevich jury has gone through another day without so much as a peep from the 25th floor.

    They’ve left for the day, and will be back tomorrow morning for day 10.

  62. Okay, what is the Rethug scam on Hillary???

    Drudge has the, Hillary should be Obama’s VP on their page.

    Are they trying to cause trouble? We all know that they don’t want Hillary in the White House, no how…

  63. Real ‘liberals’ have done a lot for us, real liberals like Hillary and Bill.

    And don’t anyone sing the ‘progressive’ song about Hillary or I will ignore your post.

  64. Raheel Raza knows the mosque is a slap in the face and painful to American’s…good to know some Muslims are smart and considerate.

  65. confloyd,

    I watched that video of Hillary earlier. The body language was very interesting.

    It seemed as if he was trying a game of one upmanship on her, in other words he was trying to get a feel superior and it wasn’t working.

  66. Don’t Worry, Obama is not going to go for re-election, his ego will not allow it.

    If this Nov is devestating for the Dems, the calls for Hillary will be deafening
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    Sound analysis Moon–as usual.

  67. I know Muslims can’t drink. But are Muslims even allowed to dance? (or maybe that’s another religion that forbids dancing)

    Maybe this is all a joke. But it sounds awfully dangerous to me, gay men walking home to their city condo from the gay bar, 3 am in the morning, drunk off their a*s. The terrorists attended “regular” mosques with “regular” muslims, so all this new mosque would need would be a few of the bad ones, and it would be their duty to kill the gay infidels – American and Muslim. And 3 am on a dark, drunk night would be a pretty easy target. They wouldn’t see building a mosque on ground zero to be insensitive, but they’d certainly see gay men next door as an affront and requiring god-directed action on their part.

  68. I’m one who doesn’t believe Obama will run again. People say his ego wouldn’t let him NOT run – but I say, his ego wouldn’t let him NOT win. And things are very different now. Fewer “true believers” (saps), more people prepared for the caucus cheating, more people aware of what they did to two of the states that scheduled their primaries early.

    Plus, wherever he was born, for some reason he is only comfortable showing a computer image of his alleged BC on the internet and has spent a lot of money from having to show a hard copy of a BC. Some states have passed laws that a candidate can’t be on the ballot without presenting the actual BC, and that will prevent him winning, not being on all states’ ballots, if he continues to not want to show the actual BC.

    Also, while I think part of his constant partying, golfing, vacationing is due to his not caring, I think it’s also a flight response to finding himself in an overwhelming position he was never ready for.

    Plus, I think he’s lazy. He likes the perqs, but he can get plenty during his “post game show”. Yeah, I just don’t think he will run again.

  69. moononpluto
    August 9th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
    Gov. Rick Perry’s meeting at the Austin airport with President Barack Obama on border security lasted a mere 34 seconds, and Perry had to hand a letter on the issue to presidential adviser Valerie Jarrett because Obama declined to personally accept it.
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    The godfather of the Luchesse Family was like that. His name was Tony “Ducks” Corallo. Tony acquired his nickname because of his legendary ability to duck subpoenas. If the process server showed up he hid. If they tracked him down he refused to accept to subpoena. Of course the process server would note for the record that the subpoena was served and Ducks refused to sign and the US Attorneys office would argue that service of process was lawfully effected, but it always created an issue. Likewise, Barack’s refusal to accept that letter personally does not mean he was not duly served. Knowing Jarrett as we do, it is a good bet that she tore it into small pieces and swallowed it like a mule. Meanwhile, Barack “Ducks” Obama has found yet another way to evade the law and personal responsibility.

  70. Carol
    August 9th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
    JanH
    August 9th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
    AUGUST 10, 2010

    Hillary for Vice President?
    The movement is gaining traction…

    If Hillary runs as VP for Obama, I will losw all respect for her and I would not vote for that ticket.

    The dems must either chose Hillary or sink with Obama.

    I do think Hillary supporters should become very vocal in as many public forums as possible to let obots know that their fantasy is an unacceptable choice and that many Hillary supporters despise O
    ——————————————————————————
    My sentiments exactly. Not only would I not vote for such a ticket, I would do everything in my power within the limits the law to defeat such a ticket. Obama is a deadly cancer to this country. It would be a grave miscalculation if Hillary succumbed to this war chant. She would be rewarding the very people who betrayed her and bill. Also, she would be putting party before country. I do not see how she can do that. I speculated on this possibility months ago and noted at that time all the reasons why it makes no sense from her standpoint. My thinking on that subject has not changed. This must be seen for what it is, namely an attempt by the Obama supporters to prevent a primary challenge.

  71. I think BO will run again unless someone makes him a better offer for his ego.

    Maybe he should be offered his own tv show, with his sports buddies as guests. Maybe that’s why he spent his birfday with the Oprah, getting tips or asking if she would let him have her show. One O to another O.

  72. I do think Hillary supporters should become very vocal in as many public forums as possible to let obots know that their fantasy is an unacceptable choice and that many Hillary supporters despise O
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    I just want to underscore the last thing Carol said above, because it is the God’s truth. Hillary will be getting a lot of pressure from political insiders to accept this vice presidential crown of thorns and she needs to know that her supporters will not stand for it. This is a dark alley with no exit point once you enter.

  73. Sorry, as much as I would hate to see Hillary even ponder a VP offer, I would never turn against her or disrespect her if she took it.

    I still think this is all bunk from the Rethugs, I don’t take it seriously.

  74. Confloyd, you and others are right about Hillary and Holdebrook in the video about the murder of the aid workers. She walked out on him, he noticed, his body languague said he was mad at her before but now he is furious at her. Run, Hillary, Run. Run a way Hillary. You have proven yourself enough. Time to stand up, time to testify. Time to run in 2012.
    That body language expert on O’Reilly should have a field day with that one, not that I believe in her, but would be funny to hear her take on it.

  75. Hasn’t the VP crap been posted here and most of the ones talking about it are the uber left liberals that were up The Won’s butt and so high on hopium that they lived in a parallel universe? They evidently see their messiah has feet of clay and want to prop him up by any means necessary. No, Hillary,no. No more sh!t from that crowd for our Hillary.

  76. ShortTermer: It may have begun in the parallel universe but it has moved into the mainstream and has been the talk of Washington for weeks. Biden wants out and Obama lacks governing ability and a mid term is on the horizon. Hillary is a text book solution for them to their problem. This has to be looked at a serious thing and that is why if Hillary supporters think it is a bad thing for her and the country, then it is best to say so. That is what I am trying to do.

  77. moononpluto
    August 9th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
    Troubled US mortgage firm Freddie Mac reported Monday a second quarter net loss of six billion dollars and sought another 1.8 billion dollars from the Treasury to contain the red ink.

    The government-backed company said its strategies to boost business and “sustainable homeownership” were taking hold but cited high unemployment posing “very real challenges” for the already embattled housing market.

    Freddie Mac suffered a 6.009 billion dollar net loss attributable to common stockholders in the April-June period from a loss of 7.980 billion dollars in the first quarter and 840 million dollars in the year ago period.
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    We’ll have to see what Larry Fink thinks about that.

  78. The government-backed company said its strategies to boost business and “sustainable homeownership” were taking hold but cited high unemployment posing “very real challenges” for the already embattled housing market.
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    These vague, unsubstantiated reassurances are reminiscent of what you hear in totalitarian regimes. Strategies to boost sustainable home ownership are taking hold but unemployment is posing a problem. How can these strategies be taking hold if unemployment is a problem–excuse me I meant to use the politically correct word–challenge. It seems to me that the two are mutually exclusive. And notice that no data is offered to substantiate those vague statement. What the hell does taking hold mean? To me it means the people who got us into this mess are as clueless now as they were then. Oh but thats right the difference between then and now is we have Obama. Yikes.

  79. There are many Good Muslims, and they have a right to different opinions.

    Imo we should encourage them all. By expressing our opinions civilly and without calling either side names or increasing hysteria.

  80. I wonder whether one of the strategies which is taking hold to build sustainable home ownership was appearing on the View. I wonder whether when they brought him the birthday cake and he prepared to blow out the 13 candles he made a birthday wish for more sustainable home ownership, or was he too busy making gaga eyes at Reggie Love. With Barack there is just no telling.

  81. Hillary supporters should become very vocal in as many public forums as possible to let obots know that their fantasy is an unacceptable choice and that many Hillary supporters despise O

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    Despising O does not necessarily mean voting against an O/Hillary ticket. If she took that position, I’m sure she’d have good reason and do something good with it — as she has as ‘O’s SOS.

    And she’d be in the line of succession!

    Also, it would be a little awkward for O and his bots to openly oppose her in 2016.

  82. Clinton/Gore Reboot 2016!

    Well, some of us can dream. Gore has more money now, and Tipper (who did not want them in the White House) is now elsewhere.

  83. I can’t forgive Gore for his abuse of Bill during his campaign and the wimpy way he gave into Bush in 2000, that was’nt fighting, Gore caved way way too early and should have fought, he folded like a cheap deck, at least Hillary fought the entire way to the end of the primaries.

    Gore’s done, finished.

  84. moon-

    with one supporter and all the money in the world, gore isn’t going anywhere. due to the circumstances gore finds himself in- he should be on suicide watch for the next year or so until he takes ownership of the egregious activity he has engaged in with george soros.

  85. Israel threatens to pull out of UN’s Gaza probe

    By Patrick Moser (AFP)

    JERUSALEM — Israel on Tuesday threatened to pull out of a UN probe into its deadly flotilla raid to keep the panel from grilling its troops, as the defence minister told another inquiry the fleet was a “planned provocation.”

    The bloody raid in which Israeli commandos killed nine pro-Palestinian Turkish activists sparked international outrage and led to the partial easing of a four-year blockade of the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who testified before the Israeli panel on Monday, insisted there was a “discreet” agreement to exclude military personnel from the UN probe, despite an earlier denial from UN chief Ban Ki-moon.

    “The prime minister said Israel would not cooperate with any commission that would ask to question soldiers,” Netanyahu spokesman Nir Hefetz told military radio.

    “Before Israel gave the green light to its participation in the panel we had discreet negotiations in order to ensure that this commission would not harm the vital interests of Israel,” he added.

    Ban on Monday denied he had struck an agreement with Israel that would bar the UN panel from interviewing troops involved in the operation.

    The row broke out as the UN committee was due to start work, and on the second day of a series of top-level hearings by an Israeli committee looking into the raid.

    Testifying before the committee in Jerusalem, Defence Minister Ehud Barak said the flotilla was a “planned provocation” and that top officials had suspected more than a month beforehand that organisers were “preparing for an armed conflict to embarrass Israel.”

    He said various alternatives were discussed in the weeks leading up to the raid and that he and other senior officials had considered the possibility that the activists would attack the troops when they landed.

    “We regret any loss of life,” the minister said. “But we would have lost more lives if we had behaved differently.”

    Netanyahu on Monday insisted that Israel had acted in line with international law and accused Turkey of seeking a high-profile confrontation that saw activists attack its commandos with iron bars and knives.

    Both men were giving sworn testimony before the so-called Tirkel Commission, a panel of five Israeli investigators and two international observers charged with examining the international legality of the raid and the Gaza blockade.

    Israel has said the border restrictions and the naval blockade imposed in June 2006 after the capture of an Israeli soldier by Gaza militants are necessary to prevent Hamas from importing rockets and other weapons.

    The closures, which have been largely backed by neighbouring Egypt, were tightened in June 2007 when Hamas seized power.

    The bloody raid caused a diplomatic crisis between Israel and Turkey and sparked global calls for an inquiry — prompting Netanyahu’s government to set up the Tirkel Commission to look into the legality of the operation.

    Panel members are not authorised to probe the decision-making process which led up to the operation, nor do they have the authority to question troops involved in storming the boats.

    The results of an internal military investigation, which are to be submitted to the Tirkel Commission and the UN committee, found that mistakes were made at a “relatively senior” level but that the use of live fire was justified.

    Israel says its commandos resorted to force only after they were attacked when they rappelled onto the deck of one of the ships, but pro-Palestinian activists on board say the soldiers opened fire as soon as they landed.

    Armed forces Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi was to take the stand on Wednesday and was likely to be quizzed over the operational aspects of boarding the ships.

    Last week Ban named his own panel, chaired by former New Zealand prime minister Geoffrey Palmer, to look into the deadly raid. It was due to begin work on Tuesday and includes representatives from Israel and Turkey.

    Israel has completely rejected a separate investigation launched by the UN Human Rights Council, which it views as hopelessly biased against the Jewish state.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jOrEKiuQN5ro1M6vun3jvpD3TxaA

  86. Despising O does not necessarily mean voting against an O/Hillary ticket. If she took that position, I’m sure she’d have good reason and do something good with it — as she has as ‘O’s SOS.

    And she’d be in the line of succession!

    Also, it would be a little awkward for O and his bots to openly oppose her in 2016.
    _____________________________________________

    Turndown, I’m just an everyday person here but my own two cents is that the negatives of Hillary being VP outweigh any positives. Yes, it would be a first..and yes she would be in line of succession…and yes, she might (barely) have some influence on policy…but it still would be Obama calling the shots. That is obvious even now with her as SOS and not likely to change. Like others here, I think being VP would tarnish the reputation she has worked so hard to build since she would be forced to become a vocal supporter of Obama’s political decisions even if she was vehemently opposed to them.

    The right would have a field day going after Hillary–they would want to neutralize her appeal. Frankly, I think it could get ugly.

    Also, Obama is not going to have the “hope and change” appeal for 2012. He now has a record of political decisions and people don’t like it. I am not convinced he will be reelected if he runs in 2012–my own feeling is that Hillary would not change that despite the attention it would bring to the ticket. Although it would be exciting and historic, in the end people still vote for the top of the ticket. I think Obama would somehow have to con people that Hillary was going to have more influence in policy making to get votes because overall independents and others just don’t trust him.

    If Hillary were offered VP by any other president I would be thrilled to death. It would be a cap to a remarkable political career. But I just don’t see how being with Obama would be a political plus–and while some might vote for him because of her, I don’t think it would be enough to make a difference….just my own opinion…

  87. knew this would happen

    Republicans turn Obama’s campaign theme against him (“Deficit of Hope”)

    Republicans sought to use some of President Obama’s own campaign themes against him on Tuesday, accusing the president of a “deficit of hope” since taking office.

    The Republican National Committee (RNC) released a new web video this morning reviving the “O-ba-ma” chants Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) used in a controversial ad against Obama in the 2008 presidential election.

    The new video features the chants of acclaim for Obama, which shift into jeers as a series of negative statistics and figures flash across the screen.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/113443-republicans-turn-obamas-campaign-theme-against-him

  88. No more gulf shrimp for me…as for the fish that spawn there and migrate north…..
    ·
    · BP, NOAA, EPA Cover-Up: Neurotoxin Pesticide Dispersant Corexit’s Lethal Effects
    July 27, 2010
    PrintSend to a FriendTweet this AnalysisAnalysis by: Simon Atkins
    Analysis of: EPA Whistleblower Accuses Agency of Covering Up Effects of Dispersant in BP Oil Spill Cleanup
    Published at: blog.alexanderhiggins.com
    Summary
    BP has poured nearly two million gallons of the dispersant known as Corexit (banned in the UK and 17 other countries) into the Gulf, and many lawmakers and advocacy groups say the Federal Government is not being candid about the lethal effects of dispersants. At a recent Senate subcommittee, Maryland Senator, Barbara Mikulski, grilled administrators from the EPA about Corexit and said she didn’t want dispersants to be the Agent Orange of this oil spill.
    Analysis
    First note that it was Senators Markey, Nadler and Mikulski that made British Petroleum and the government put cameras five-thousand feet below the water to show the oil geyser volcano to the American public and the world. And when they did that, experts saw that the amount of oil being released was many orders of magnitudes greater than what BP, NOAA and the EPA were saying.
    The EPA Lies Under Oath
    It might come as some big shock but there is increasing evidence to show that the EPA has lied … yet again. Without mincing words, Federal Government agencies have literally allowed tens of thousands of Americans to be poisoned during the Exxon Valdez disaster, during 9/11, and now, history is once again repeating itself in the Gulf of Mexico, except for one change: we now have a top EPA official warning us that the Government is allowing us to be poisoned.
    Hugh Kaufman, a senior policy analyst at the EPA’s Office of Solid Waste and Emergency Response, a leading critic of the decision to use Corexit, and now EPA whistleblower, says that government agencies are doing inadequate and improper testing of Gulf waters.
    First, remember that at Ground Zero, the EPA made statements about the safety of the air, which has since been proven to be false. Now, independent water tests in the Gulf performed by a local news station directly contradicted EPA test results. Then the director of the EPA lied under oath in a congressional hearing about water samples taken from the Dauphin Island Alabama area. Independent water tests performed by Project Gulf Impact showed high levels of Corexit in the waters around Grand Isle, Louisiana, while EPA data showed no such contamination. Test results of all of the water samples that the EPA has done up until mid-July shows dozens of instances where the EPA is lying. In all likelihood, enough oil and toxic dispersants have been released into the Gulf of Mexico to contaminate the food chain: even NOAA has admitted that may have already happened. It’s all out there, folks, you just have to go digging to get the truth, and question everything that the controlled / controlling Mainstream Media want you to believe: http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/dispersants-hearing-noaa-admits-gulf-seafood-not-tested-yet-says-toxins-may-bioaccumulate.
    So why is the EPA lying? Answer (and I agree with the EPA whistleblower, Mr. Kaufman): to protect the profits of the largest corporations from having to pay out billions of liability claims and fines. The Federal Government says it cannot reveal such data (of the contamination) to the public because of current litigation with BP. What a load of hogwash. Who comes first, and who are we protecting here first — the public and our children — or BP?
    Corexit — The Neurotoxin Pesticide Dispersant — The Cause Of Our Future Problems
    Corexit, one of a number of dispersants, is four times the toxicity level of crude oil, and is used to atomize the oil and force it down the water column so that it’s invisible to the eye. The National Academy of Science has done work on it to show that Corexit is very dangerous. And toxicologists from Exxon have published on it.
    A simple equation goes like this: less oil seen … less fines to BP. In following the money trail, when you look and see who owns BP, you find that the majority ownership, a billion shares, is a company called BlackRock that was created, owned and run by Larry Fink. And Vanity Fair just recently wrote an article about Mr. Fink and his connections with Mr. Geithner, Mr. Summers and others in the Obama Administration.
    When will we finally act and do something about this health disaster waiting in the wings? When tens of thousands of Gulf Coast residents end up with cancer, genetic mutations or some other mysterious unexplained illnesses (labeled in the future as “Gulf of Mexico Syndrome”)?
    So what else do we have?
    •There is a now a massive dead-zone off the coast of Alabama.
    •Geochemist expert and University of California Santa Barbara scientist, Dr. David Valentine, reports that hydrocarbon remnants are raining down near the oil disaster and are pushing onto land.
    •BP is already paying-off scientists and universities (that want to join in receiving payouts), in order to keep the truth of the contamination out of the public eye.
    No, I’m not some conspiracy theorist. I am fortunately just another scientist just spreading the truth, and one who does not have to rely on some crooked relationship with a lying government sponsor, and who gets to put you, the reader here, more “in the know” for your own investment and health benefit, and for the benefit of our children.

  89. Despising O does not necessarily mean voting against an O/Hillary ticket. If she took that position, I’m sure she’d have good reason and do something good with it — as she has as ‘O’s SOS.

    And she’d be in the line of succession!

    Also, it would be a little awkward for O and his bots to openly oppose her in 2016.
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    I think it means precisely that. It would be an abject surrender to the very forces who are wrecking this country. They are of course the elites. Two thirds of the profits earned by Fortune 500 companies come from their overseas operations. They have effectively abandoned the American People. They are the same entities that now support Obama. The people who run big media are part of the elites too. They hold the American People in contempt. This is not supposition and conjecture. They call anyone who opposes Obama for any reason a racist. This is far more than a difference of opinion or politics as usual. They do not even think they owe us the truth. And finally, worst of all, there are the global financial interests who use the American treasury as their personal piggy bank, together with the Obamas Reids and Pelosis who are their shills. If she were to join that cabal as vice president, she would have to abandon the commitment to the middle class which was the centerpiece of her campaign and made her my hero. And that is something I cannot support or be a part of. The pursuit of power can pull anyone in strange directions but there is that famous line in Shakespeare to thine own self be true. Nothing would made the Republicans happier than to see her join the ticket. Nothing would be worse for the survival of the traditional democrat than to have this happen.

  90. Carol
    August 9th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
    JanH
    August 9th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
    AUGUST 10, 2010

    Hillary for Vice President?
    The movement is gaining traction…

    If Hillary runs as VP for Obama, I will losw all respect for her and I would not vote for that ticket.

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    I agree. I would never vote for Hillary as O’s VP or Hillary with O as VP. I can not stand the guy

    Is there a way we could get the message to her to not run as VP? She is too smart to run as VP. She needs to be on the top of the ticket or not at all.

    Hopefuly with O gone to Neverland.

  91. wbboei
    August 9th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
    Don’t Worry, Obama is not going to go for re-election, his ego will not allow it.

    If this Nov is devestating for the Dems, the calls for Hillary will be deafening
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    Sound analysis Moon–as usual.

    I do see a possibility that the rethugs will chose a candidate like Huckabee or even Palin and O could run and probably win. Look at what has happened in Nevada. Reid was just about toast until the primary. Now he is even and sometimes ahead in the polls. (please those of you who love Palin, she does not have broad support and I did vote McPalin as a lesser of two evils choice.)

    How could any Hillary supporter be happy about Hillary taking a VP spot. What a humiliation for the person…who happens o be female….who is currently the most popular, brightest and most competent American politician and probably the only one who could bring the country together.
    I know many republicans who wanted to vote for her.

  92. I want the current idiot in the WH to step aside and make way for Hillary in 2012 and the Democratic party (that includes the media, haha) to throw their full support behind her. Nothing short of that picture is acceptable.

  93. I am planning to build and open the first gay bar that caters not only to the west, but also Islamic gay men. To best express my sincere desire for dialogue, the bar will be situated next to the mosque Park51…

    Brilliant! And how about every Thursday night is a WE LOVE ISRAEL night!

  94. Ex-Sen. Stevens in plane crash, unclear if survived

    Former Republican U.S. Senator Ted Stevens was aboard a plane that crashed in Alaska, and it was not immediately clear whether he survived, a congressional source said on Tuesday. Half of those aboard the plane were killed in the crash and a doctor is apparently on the scene, though rescuers are having trouble reaching the site because of bad weather, the source said, declining to be further identified. Stevens lost his re-election bid in 2008 after he was convicted on corruption charges, but the case was later thrown out because of prosecutorial misconduct.

  95. The media is at it again. I was watching Good Morning America, when they went to a suburban neighborhood and interveiw people with this question. Would you vote for Hillary, and what do you think of the job O has done.

    First they are all young white families, who obviously had voted for O. Second, they did not address the Hillary part of the question. Third, the said he inherited this mess. It was like fighting over the last seat on the Hindenburg. Then another young women said that he was only one man.

    PLEASE! O koolaid voters, He is might be only one man but he has the largest staff anywhere, and he said he could handle this job, come what may, from day one. We still have not seen any indication he can handle the job or his staff. Second, any job I have had, and there have been some humdingers, I had them nailed by the second year. I knew who I could trust and I had been through the basic cycle. However, any errors I committed the first year I took ownership of.

    O will still only be one man for the rest of this term, but the problem is, the Army that use to be following him (which he does not understand who to trust and how to use it), see no future, and already are beginning to find new jobs.

    I wanted to ask the commentator, of the group assembled, who was employed, average age, who they voted for. All of those question would have revealed that we were talking to a group of Kool Aid drinkers, and they do no longer reflect the average American voter.

  96. NMF,

    This is how it works. In order to build obama up, they will tear Hillary down. It’s a win-win for the dims and repubs.

  97. JanH

    I understand what you are saying. However, I felt it was positive that the said nothing about HRC. After all, what could they say, as she can actually do the job in an EXCEPTIONAL MANNER. Instead, what they had to do was find excuses for and defend why O is not doing the job.

    The first is a person that no one has to defend as we know she is doing an expectional job, we can see it; the second is a person who has performance problems.

  98. NMF,

    Yes I agree. I just worry that the media will not let up and the negative spin will be worse than the last time.

  99. At Pam Geller’s site Atlas Shrugs – very strong message, pictures of Muslims in NYC demonstration – disturbing
    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/islamists-day-p.html

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    Have you seen this? It was posted 7 years ago.
    “Author sees Islam’s 20-year plan for U.S.

    Arab-American author outlines secret 20-year strategy to undermine country

    Posted: August 04, 2003 http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33898

    A refugee from the Muslim Middle East thinks he has discovered Islam’s 20-point plan for conquering the United States by 2020 – a plan revealed in the latest issue of Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin.
    Anis Shorrosh, author of ”Islam Revealed” and ”The True Furqan,” is a Christian Arab-American who emigrated from Arab-controlled Jerusalem in January 1967.
    ”The following is my analysis of Islamic invasion of America, the agenda of Islamists and visible methods to take over America by the year 2020,” Shorrosh says. ”Will Americans continue to sleep through this invasion as they did when we were attacked on 9/11?”
    1. Terminate America’s freedom of speech by replacing it with statewide and nationwide hate-crime bills.
    2. Wage a war of words using black leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Jesse Jackson and other visible religious personalities who promote Islam as the religion of African-Americans while insisting Christianity is for whites only. What they fail to tell African-Americans is that it was Arab Muslims who captured them and sold them as slaves. In fact, the Arabic word for black and slave is the same, ”Abed.”
    3. Engage the American public in dialogues, discussions, debates in colleges, universities, public libraries, radio, TV, churches and mosques on the virtues of Islam. Proclaim how it is historically another religion like Judaism and Christianity with the same monotheistic faith.
    4. Nominate Muslim sympathizers to political office to bring about favorable legislation toward Islam and support potential sympathizers by block voting.
    5. Take control of as much of Hollywood, the press, TV, radio and the Internet as possible by buying the related corporations or a controlling stock.
    6. Yield to the fear of the imminent shut-off of the lifeblood of America – black gold. America’s economy depends on oil and 41 percent of it comes from the Middle East.
    7. Yell ”foul, out-of-context, personal interpretation, hate crime, Zionist, un- American, inaccurate interpretation of the Quran” anytime Islam is criticized or the Quran is analyzed in the public arena.
    8. Encourage Muslims to penetrate the White House, specifically with Islamists who can articulate a marvelous and peaceful picture of Islam. Acquire government positions and get membership in local school boards. Train Muslims as medical doctors to dominate the medical field, research and pharmaceutical companies. (Ever notice how numerous Muslim doctors in America are, when their countries need them more desperately than America?) Take over the computer industry. Establish Middle Eastern restaurants throughout the U.S. to connect planners of Islamization in a discreet way.
    9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth via:
    • Massive immigration (100,000 annually since 1961).
    • Use no birth control whatsoever – every baby of Muslim parents is automatically a Muslim and cannot choose another religion later.
    • Muslim men must marry American women and Islamize them (10,000 annually). Then divorce them and remarry every five years – since one can’t legally marry four at one time. This is a legal solution in America.
    • Convert angry, alienated black inmates and turn them into militants (so far 2,000 released inmates have joined al-Qaida worldwide). Only a few ”sleeper cells” have been captured in Afghanistan and on American soil.
    10. Reading, writing, arithmetic and research through the American educational system, mosques and student centers (now 1,500) should be sprinkled with dislike of Jews, evangelical Christians and democracy. There are currently 300 exclusively Muslim schools in the U.S. which teach loyalty to the Quran, not the U.S. Constitution. In January of 2002, Saudi Arabia’s Embassy in Washington mailed 4,500 packets of the Quran and videos promoting Islam to America’s high schools – free of charge. Saudi Arabia would not allow the U.S. to reciprocate.
    11. Provide very sizeable monetary Muslim grants to colleges and universities in America to establish ”Centers for Islamic studies” with Muslim directors to promote Islam in higher-education institutions.
    12. Let the entire world know through propaganda, speeches, seminars, local and national media that terrorists have hijacked Islam, when in truth, Islam hijacked the terrorists.
    13. Appeal to the historically compassionate and sensitive Americans for sympathy and tolerance towards Muslims in America who are portrayed as mainly immigrants from oppressed countries.
    14. Nullify America’s sense of security by manipulating the intelligence community with misinformation. Periodically terrorize Americans with reports of impending attacks on bridges, tunnels, water supplies, airports, apartment buildings and malls.
    15. Form riots and demonstrations in the prison system demanding Islamic Sharia as the way of life, not America’s justice system.
    16. Open numerous charities throughout the U.S., but use the funds to support Islamic terrorism with American dollars.
    17. Raise interest in Islam on America’s campuses by insisting freshman take at least one course on Islam.
    18. Unify the numerous Muslim lobbies in Washington, mosques, Islamic student centers, educational organizations, magazines and papers by Internet and an annual convention to coordinate plans, propagate the faith and engender news in the media.
    19. Send intimidating messages and messengers to the outspoken individuals who are critical of Islam and seek to eliminate them by hook or crook.
    20. Applaud Muslims as loyal citizens of the U.S. by spotlighting their voting record as the highest percentage of all minority and ethic groups in America.
    Shorrosh is a member of the Oxford Society of Scholars, has traveled in 76 countries, and is a lecturer and producer of TV documentaries. ”Islam Revealed” is a bestseller now in its eighth printing. His forthcoming 10th book, from which the 20-point plan is abridged, is titled ”Islam: A Threat or a Challenge.”
    ”The True Furqan” is also available for viewing on Islam-Exposed.org. Shorrosh’s new website is Focusing-on-Islam.com.
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    grape note: sites at those last 2 links gone bye-bye
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    grape: Tolerance, our greatest strength can also be our greatest weakness. Lines must be drawn, logically, calmly, and firmly in regard to immigration and infiltration. Furthermore, it ought to be quite clear that any religion which works against our own hard-won values in terms of human rights, especially in regard to equal rights for women, must not be respected in our own country.
    If our leaders don’t soon take steps to protect us, we’ll be seeing American citizens killing Muslims right out there on Main Street, Metro Parkway, and Sweet Little Lane.

  100. lil ole grape, What a great find….it seems they’ve furthered their mission….I wonder how much money they put in Obama’s war chest? I believe they had a lot to do with Obama getting elected.

  101. Admin,

    Congratulations – you nailed it long before everyone else once again. According to Gibbs, what Obama hates is being compared to Bush.

    Nice work.

  102. lil ole grape
    August 10th, 2010 at 11:51 am

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    On the one hand very scary stuff. On the other, in their dreams. And where will bambi be in this new regime?

  103. Admin, for your next post..

    Effective leaders love a challenge but Obama runs away from it golfing, partying, campaigning (read reading speeches).
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    The Increasingly Self-Pitying Obama White House
    Peter Wehner – 08.09.2010 – 3:59 PM

    According to the preview offered by Vanity Fair:

    [Todd] Purdum spends a day inside the West Wing and talks to Obama’s top aides, who tell him about the challenges of playing the Beltway game, ugly as it has become, even as their boss insists they find a way to transcend it.

    “There’s a relentlessness to this that’s unlike anything else, especially when you come into office in a time of crisis,” says Obama senior adviser David Axelrod. “We did not exactly ease into the tub. The world is so much smaller, and events reverberate much more quickly, and one person can create an event so quickly from one computer terminal.”

    Larry Summers, who served as Clinton’s Treasury secretary for the last 18 months of his term, says, “It used to be there was a kind of rhythm to the day” with the tempo picking up after the markets closed and as newspaper deadlines approached, between four and seven P.M. “That’s gone.” And, according to Rahm Emanuel, C.I.A. director Leon Panetta thinks “it’s a huge problem” that Washington runs at such “a highly caffeinated speed.”

    Emanuel calls it “F***nutsville,” and Valerie Jarrett says she looks back wistfully to a time when credible people could put a stamp of reliability on information and opinion: “Walter Cronkite would get on and say the truth, and people believed the media,” she says.

    It got so bad last December that President Obama and Emanuel would joke that, when it was all over, they were going to open a T-shirt stand on a beach in Hawaii. It would face the ocean and sell only one color and one size. “We didn’t want to make another decision, or choice, or judgment,” Emanuel tells Purdum. They took to beginning staff meetings with Obama smiling at Emanuel and simply saying “White,” and Emanuel nodding back and replying “Medium.”

    I’ll reserve final judgment until I read the entire piece. But based on these excerpts — which presumably reflect the thrust of the 10,000-word article — what is striking is the degree of self-pity we find in Obama’s advisers, which is reflected in the president’s words and attitude as well. Team Obama sounds nothing so much as overmatched and overwhelmed, unable to understand what has gone wrong, and increasingly bitter toward the nation’s capital and the pace and nature of politics.

    What we are seeing, I think, is a group of supremely arrogant people humbled by events. They are turning out to be a good deal more incompetent than they (and many Americans) ever imagined. They see impending political doom in the form of the midterm elections. Yet this is not leading them toward any apparent serious self-reflection; rather, they are engaging in an extraordinary degree of whining, finger-pointing, and self-indulgence.

    It was said of President Kennedy that he was a happy president. “Happiness, [Kennedy] often said, paraphrasing Aristotle, is the full use of one’s faculties along lines of excellence, and to him the Presidency offered the ideal opportunity to pursue excellence,” Theodore Sorenson wrote in Kennedy. “He liked the job, he thrived on its pressures.”

    One doesn’t get that sense with Obama or his key advisers. In 18 months they appear to have developed deep grievances and an increasing unhappiness and frustration with the duties of governing.

    Life in the White House is challenging; anyone who has worked there can testify to that. And Washington, D.C., is certainly an imperfect city, as all are. But the impression Team Obama is trying to create — that no group has ever faced more challenges, more difficulties, or more hardships — is silly and somewhat pathetic. Politics is the worthiest ambition, wrote John Buchan (the author of JFK’s favorite book, Pilgrim’s Way); it is the greatest and most honorable adventure.

    If Obama and his aides don’t see that or anything like that — if they view politics and governing only through a lens tinted by bitterness, frustration, and resentment — then it is time for them to step aside. If not, then they should man up. Self-pity is a terribly unattractive quality.

  104. New book coming out on August 25/10

    Crimes Against Liberty: An Indictment of President Barack Obama [Hardcover]

    By David Limbaugh

    “American voters might have been naïve when they went to the polls in 2008, but New York Times bestselling author David Limbaugh wasn’t. He warned voters of what would be in store. Now he’s back with more than a warning. A practicing lawyer, he has compiled the most comprehensive and devastating indictment of what is turning out to be the most destructive presidency in American history.

    Limbaugh charges that this presidency is ambitiously unraveling the Constitution, actively rooting out American traditions and values, and most of all, committing crimes against American liberty. In Limbaugh’s brilliant new book, he documents:

    Obama’s offenses against the rule of law (including the administration’s blatant pursuit of race-based justice)Violations of the public trust (including Obama’s Chicago-style bully boy tactics to protect and advance the administration’s cronies)Abuses against the private sector (including how the Obama administration is removing any limits to federal power)Crimes against good governance (including Obama’s mania for secrecy after getting elected on promises of transparency)Betrayals of the national interest (including the administration’s gagging of honest discussion of the threat of radical Islam)And much, much more

    If there was ever a must read—this is it. Crimes Against Liberty is a stunning tour de force—a detailed indictment against a president who is pursuing an agenda at odds with the Constitution and that is even more radical than most people realize.”

  105. PM,

    Obama likes gimmicks. He’s not interested in dealing with challenges in a straight forward fashion. He’s never won any elections that way. He thinks it’s clever to throw people off ballots on the last day so that they can’t challenge the results – that kind of thing.

    I really think they thought they could keep this cult of personality thing going, move the whole country way right, and move on to becoming billionaires by way of their service to corporate America.

    What I’m getting is that no one in the White House had a real global understanding of the problems at hand and where and how they intersected. And now, they find their initiatives pissing off the recipients of their other initiatives. Obama is more in service to American corporate power than any president in history, and yet they still spurn him because they will spurn anyone who asks anything of them at all – he didn’t understand this going on.

  106. looks like he’s losing the base bigtime.

    http://www.americablog.com/2010/08/gibbs-people-who-are-upset-with-obama.html

    Gibbs: People who are upset with Obama don’t live in real America, didn’t help get Obama elected

    Really? That’s the latest White House response to Obama voters who are sincerely concerned about the direction this White House is taking on so many issues. To smear everyone and suggest that they didn’t lift a finger to get the President elected? Seriously?

    Joe and I are upset with Obama, and we, for example, raised nearly $43,000 for the man, According to the White House, our money now doesn’t count. Great, would they like to give it back? I for one, would love the $1000 back that I personally donated to the Obama campaign. Joe gave even more. I suspect a lot of our readers wouldn’t mind their contributions back too, since apparently they’re not appreciated.

    Then there’s all that work we did for the campaign, all the dirty work they asked us to do – and we did it, gladly, and quietly – none of that counted either, apparently.

    This interview with White House spokesman Robert Gibbs is really quite remarkable. Not in its substance – President Obama’s staff smears the Democratic base, and our issues, on a regular basis. No, what’s remarkable is that a senior White House official has finally gone on the record in order to smear the Democratic base. That’s unprecedented. It also puts to the rest the White House’s prior defense, whenever a senior unnamed official went after the base, of claiming it was a rogue employee who didn’t represent the President. Gibbs clearly does.

    go read it all……

  107. Just reported on FOX News: Former Republican Senator, Ted Stevens of Alaska was one of those killed in a plane crash in Alaska. No word yet of who survived the crash.

  108. basement, he has been incredibly lucky so far mostly because he whores himself to the man behind the curtain (his appearance and lack of character are useful to people who want to use him.) I wonder how long this will continue? Either the voters will wake up and throw the bum/hustler out or the powers that be don’t find him useful any more. Though I never thought they were this incompetent that the gullible people would start smelling the skunk this early.

  109. JanH and LOG,

    Bambi is their messiah….he is their dictator….he is their master. Many Muslims watched this election at work….they knew something we did not!

  110. Isn’t Ted Stevens the republican who built the road to nowhere??? I think Palin had to rein him in when she was Governor….he probably knew too much!

  111. basement angel….he is still loved by Farrahkan and that other freak from the NBPP. The muslim blacks still love him.

  112. Charlie Rangel just made a rambling big speech in Congress stating in essense that he is not a crook or corrupt and that he is NOT going away.

  113. Southern Born
    August 10th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    —————-
    Very sad. May he and the other victims rest in peace.

  114. It is as though the Democratic party sold its soul to the devil in 2008. Now even if they want to dump him for 2012 they probably can’t because of the black vote. They have to come up with a reason so strong that even the blacks would have to run away from him. Hmmm, I wonder what could that be. Republicans would be smart to pick winners this time.

  115. Yes, Ted Stevens is the guy who grabbed any bucks he could for Alaska even to build bridges to nowhere.
    Supposedly he justified this porkfest for AK because he said they were a new state and needed to “catch up”.

  116. Former NASA administrator O’Keefe or is it Keefe, was also on the plane…don’t know if he were one of the dead or not.

    Yes, any plane crash with fatalities is very sad.

  117. NOW… FOX is saying that they do not have absolute confirmed word that former Rep Ted Stevens is actually dead.

  118. Is there a difference in the religious beliefs of American converted black Muslims like Farrahkan and native born Middle East Muslims?

    This is not a facetious question…I really want to know.

  119. Confloyd,

    You’re talking an insignificant number of people – NOW dwarfs them in terms of membership. Really.

  120. PM

    No, Democrats can’t win without the African American block which is why the right is so interested in splitting them off and that’s why Hillary will not challenge Obama in the primary. She will only run in 12 if he doesn’t – take that to the bank. She’s not accepting the vp slot. She’s not challenging him. She’ll wait until 16 if she has to.

    This is why Fox is covering the caucus/election fraud story – because they want to do everything they can to play up the Obama/Hillary split.

  121. wbboei, I am in total agreement that supporters of our Hillary should shout their disapproval of any VP ticket, especially with The Won or with The Gore. I did not intend to imply otherwise. I thought it very intriguing that most of the calls came from or began with the enemies of America and lovers of The Won. My thought was they could not stick with anything as in ‘stand for something, or fall for anything’ and they have had such a vitriol for our Hillary. It is too late now to be repentent, especially at such a convenient time.

  122. Monday, August 09, 2010

    Talk about ‘Audacity!’ Look what’s in the works now … Group seeks to break blockade that keeps Hamas from re-arming

    By Aaron Klein

    TEL AVIV – Will the Justice Department prosecute associates of President Obama who are organizing flotillas and marches in support of the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip?

    That question is being asked by pundits as several of Obama’s associates are participating in efforts to end Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza – a blockade that is legal according to international law and that Israel says is necessary to ensure the Hamas terror group does not re-arm itself by sea. Indeed, ships loaded with weapons have been caught multiple times heading for Gaza.

    Former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy argued at National Review Online that the federal government should investigate Columbia University Professor Rashid Khalidi, a pro-Palestinian Liberation Organization activist known for his friendship with Obama.

    Khalidi and other Obama associates are members of an American effort to raise $370,000 to finance the purchase of a U.S. ship in an effort to break the Israeli naval blockade of Gaza. The tentative name of the ship is “The Audacity of Hope,” after Obama’s autobiography.

    McCarthy argues the Justice Department, under the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act, could investigate Khalidi and other flotilla organizers for providing material support to Hamas, which is designated by the State Department as a terrorist organization.

    Jonathan Schanzer points out at the Weekly Standard that according to a Supreme Court decision in June, Holder vs. Humanitarian Law Project, the prohibition against material support to terrorists can apply even when the offerings are not money or weapons.

    At American Thinker, Ed Lasky asks, “Will Holder investigate this effort to help Hamas? Will he implicate Barack Obama’s friend? This is one area where I have no hope.”

    The comments come after the Justice Department found itself under heavy criticism when it dropped its investigation into the New Black Panther Party for alleged voter intimidation.

    According to a professor at the University of Chicago who said he has known Obama for 12 years, Obama first befriended Khalidi when the two worked together at the university. The professor spoke on condition of anonymity. Khalidi lectured at the University of Chicago until 2003, while Obama taught law there from 1993 until his election to the Senate in 2004.

    Khalidi in 2000 held what was described as a successful fundraiser for Obama’s failed bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives.

    In 2001, the Woods Fund, which describes itself as a group helping the disadvantaged, provided a $40,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network, or AAAN, led by Khalidi’s wife, Mona. The fund provided a second grant to the AAAN for $35,000 in 2002.

    Speakers at AAAN dinners and events routinely have taken an anti-Israel stance. The group co-sponsored a Palestinian art exhibit titled “The Subject of Palestine” that featured works related to what some Palestinians call the “Nakba,” or “catastrophe” of Israel’s founding in 1948.

    In 2003, Obama delivered a glowing in-person testimonial for Khalidi when he departed Chicago for a new position at Columbia.

    Khalidi’s farewell dinner was replete with anti-Israel speakers. One, a young Palestinian American, recited a poem in Obama’s presence that accused the Israeli government of terrorism in its treatment of Palestinians and sharply criticized U.S. support of Israel. Another speaker, who reportedly talked while Obama was present, compared “Zionist settlers on the West Bank” to Osama bin Laden.

    Other Obama associates ‘aiding Hamas’

    Khalidi, meanwhile, is not the only Obama associate involved in the Gaza flotilla effort.

    WND found that another signatory to the American flotilla project is Naomi Esther Jaffe, who founded the Weather Underground terrorist organization along with William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. Jaffe engaged in fundraising efforts for Obama’s presidential campaign, even advertising a “Yoga for Obama” event on Obama’s campaign website.

    Ayers and Dorhn themselves have been leaders of efforts to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza.

    WND first exposed in May that the group behind the Gaza flotilla that engaged in deadly clashes with Israeli commandos counts among its top supporters Ayers and Dohrn, as well as Jodie Evans, the leader of the radical activist organization Code Pink.

    The flotilla was organized by the Free Gaza Movement, a coalition of leftist human rights activists and pro-Palestinian groups engaged in attempts to break a blockade imposed by Israel on the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip.

    Ayers, Dohrn and Evans’ Code Pink have led several recent Free Gaza Movement initiatives, including attempted marches into the Gaza Strip. Dorhn was in the Middle East in April on behalf of the movement.
    Ayers and Dohrn were close associates for years with Obama, while Evans was a fundraiser and financial bundler for Obama’s presidential campaign.

    In January, WND reported Ayers, Dohrn and Evans were involved in provoking chaos on the streets of Egypt in an attempt to enter Gaza with the Free Gaza Movement to join in solidarity with the territory’s population and leadership. The three helped to stir riots after the Egyptian government refused to allow a large number of protesters to enter neighboring Gaza. Eventually, the protesters accepted an Egyptian offer of allowing about 100 marchers into Gaza. Once in the territory, the marchers were reportedly met on the Gaza side by Hamas’ former Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh.

    At the time of the march, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., wrote a letter in support of a “humanitarian delegation from Massachusetts” to Gaza. Members of Ayers’, Dohrn and Evans’ group documented on their blogs how Kerry’s letter was used at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo while attempting to pressure Egypt to let their group into Gaza.

    Images of the letter were also posted on the Electronic Intifada website run by Ali Abunimah, who was with Evans’ group in Egypt and who, WND previously reported, spoke at pro-Palestinian events in the 1990s alongside Obama. In one such event, a 1999 fundraiser for Palestinian “refugees,” Abunimah recalled introducing Obama on stage.

    Kerry’s office previously met with Code Pink members, WND has learned. Sarah Roche-Mahdi of Code Pink also is a member of the United for Peace and Justice Palestine Task Force, which met with Kerry’s staffers. Kerry last year became the most senior U.S. politician to visit the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, although at the time he did not meet with Hamas leaders.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=189585

  123. youtube.com/watch?v=RpEfAV1T5b0 Geroge Benson The Masquerade

    from ‘The Increasingly Self-Pitying Obama Admin’ article above:

    What we are seeing, I think, is a group of supremely arrogant people humbled by events. They are turning out to be a good deal more incompetent than they (and many Americans) ever imagined. They see impending political doom in the form of the midterm elections. Yet this is not leading them toward any apparent serious self-reflection; rather, they are engaging in an extraordinary degree of whining, finger-pointing, and self-indulgence.

    ***************************************

    like I said yesterday, these are not serious people for serious times…they are masquerading as the Executive Branch but acting more like a reality show about vanity and popularity and superficial special events…

  124. I see one other way for Hillary and that’s dump the lying, cheating dimorats and join the rethugs and slaughter the backstabbers…LOL! Afterall, her roots are rethug!

  125. basement, here is my speculation then. Even if Obama does not run in 2012 for whatever reason, he will see to it that he takes the AA vote with him. He is a vindictive man. So Dems may want to dump him, or he may not want to run but he would rather give it to the Repubs than Hillary. I am not optimistic about Hillary in 2012 unless the AAs show signs of true democratic spirit.

  126. ShortTermer,

    You don’t have to bother to shout disapproval. Hillary’s not going to do it. She has no interest or reason to do it. And no one, save the American right who wants to tie her to Obama’s failed policie, wants her to do it.

    This is just political flotsam and jetsam. It isn’t serious. It’s meant to push people’s buttons. Ignore it.

    A few months ago, it was Secretary of Defense. Then it was something else. Now it’s this.

    All this is, is the media in search of a story that they can gin up into some personal drama. Don’t fall for it. Biden isn’t the problem. Obama’s fortunes won’t change with Hillary at the bottom of the ticket because Dems aren’t depressed because Biden isn’t doing enough. Dems are depressed because Obama is proving to be Bush’s third term – he’s a rightwing, Reaganite asshole turning our nation over to the corporations. Putting Hillary on the ticket doesn’t change that.

    Obama’s problem is that he has done nothing to benefit ordinary Americans, and everything to drive wealth to the wealthy. And now he’s left with a very tiny group of people who actually support him and his right wing agenda. Hillary on the ticket doesn’t change that.

  127. PM – the Clintons’ have an excellent history with African Americans and ultimately, he will not be able to split them off from Clinton. He can try, but if he doesn’t run, he won’t be allowed to do it.

    Bill Clinton gave African Americans their lowest unemployment rate in history, their highest wages in history and falling incarceration rate. The most freedom and wealth that African Americans have experienced in their history of this nation happened under Bill Clinton and this time out, that will matter.

    As Machiavelli observed, “commit all your atrocities at once.” You can’t do it twice. Obama is not delivering for that constituency. They may still value the symbol of his presidency (which is fair), but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t hankering for jobs and money and in the end, being able to feed your kids and retire is going to win out over anything Obama offers up. The financial transcendence his administration offers will be limited to those who already have money.

  128. There is an interesting book called The Rise And Fall of Liberalism. It is written by a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute which is a conservative think tank. It could just as easily be entitled the rise and fall of Mr. Obama, since it is part and parcel of the same phenomenon. I mention it here for that reason.

    The thesis of this book is that liberalism was the dominant political philosophy of mid century America. It was based on faith in progress through government action. The proof statement could be found in its success in various arenas including the New Deal, victory in World War II, and the civil rights movement.

    John Kennedy came to epitomize that view of liberalism. On the one hand, he was a bona fide war hero, a cold warrior and an ardent patriot. That part appealed to the Jacksonian Americans, who would later become Reagan Democrats. At the same time he was a hip sophisticate, had immense rhetorical gifts and was a celebrity. That part appealed to the elites.

    The book goes on to claim that what killed that brand of liberalism was the misinterpretation of the Kennedy assassination. The writer takes Occam’s Razor to conspiracy theories and concludes simply that Oswald was a self avowed communist sympathetic to Castro and acted accordingly. Hence Kennedy was a martyr to the cold war.

    Yet days after the assassination, Mrs. Kennedy remarked he didn’t even have the satisfaction of being killed for civil rights. It had to be some little communist. Yet before the body was cold she and others began casting him as a martyr to the civil rights movement. She ordered the JFK funeral be modeled on he funeral of Abraham Lincoln.

    The other thing Mrs. Kennedy did was to cast the JFK Presidency as Camelot, based on the popular stage play by Lerner and Lowe which was playing at or near that time. This in turn created a sense of paradise lost, and the notion that the best years were behind us. That idea was anathema to the idea of American Progress.

    Finally, James Reston of the New York Times blamed the assassination on the hatred and bigotry in our society rather than on a “silly little communist” who happened to be the real perpetrator. Yes, there was hatred and bigotry occurring at the same time, especially in the south, but that had nothing whatsoever to do with the Kennedy assassination.

    This grand exercise in myth making was what touched off the cultural war. Cultural critics and traditional blue collar Americans went their separate ways. By 1972 the cultural elites had captured the party. Traditional democrats began moving away. Ronald Reagan was the real heir to the Kennedy tradition of celebrity, patriot and cold warrior. They embraced him.

    After losing two successive elections to Reagan it became obvious that certain things had to change. First, their blame America first attitude was no longer selling. Second, they needed to sell their soul to Wall Street as the Republicans had in order to be competitive. Felix Rohatyn friend of Pelosi and executor of the Kennedy estate played Devil to their Faust.

    The Bill Clinton Presidency represented a new direction for the Democratic Party which embodied many of the attributes of the John Kennedy legacy and a bridge to the 21st century. But he was never accepted by the cultural elites who were addicted to their blame American first attitude, and regarded him as an outsider.

    What the party hoped for in Mr. Obama the second coming of JFK. They went to great lengths to present him in those terms. Certainly this was consistent with the motives of the Kennedy family, who still wanted to cast JFK as a civil rights martyr–as was evident in Ted Kennedy’s hissy fit when Hillary made a perfectly innocent comment. And so what you have is the celebrity aspect, the speeches and the glamour–both him and his lovely wife.

    But what Lloyd Benson said to deer in the headlight Quayle is equally true of Barack–senator you are no John Kennedy. What John Kennedy had was substance, a proven track record, patriotism, pragmatism, and cache. The ability to meld together a coalition of traditional Americans and cultural elites. Obama on other hand divides those coalitions. He is neither patriotic nor pragmatic. That is why he does not sell to the American People beyond the Beltway.

    In case you are interested, here is the u-tube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdJM17ou2qg&feature=related

  129. Hillary becoming secretary of defense, should Obama win reelection, makes some sense. But I don’t see her being VP. It’s a job with no responsibility attached to it, and she would be much better use to the country elsewhere. Plus, I’m not even sure she’ll be asked because such a move smells like desperation on Obama’s part.

  130. Paula, and besides Hillary hates golf which is what Biden plays with Obama on a daily basis….she would go nuts being VP…nothing to do but try to make the village idiot appear to be doing a good job.

  131. Confloyd,

    Thanks for the compliment but she can only win as a Dem. She’s principled and she’s a real, honest-to-god FDR liberal. And the GOP will not support her policies.

    And you know, the fondest is mutual.

  132. hmmm, hmmmm!

    —————————–
    Oil guru Matthew Simmons dies in Maine

    BOSTON (Reuters) – Matthew Simmons, who rattled the energy industry by arguing the world was rapidly approaching peak oil production capacity, died at his home in North Haven, Maine, the energy research group he founded said on Monday.

    He died suddenly on Sunday, his Ocean Energy Institute said in a statement.

    Simmons, 67, a former adviser to U.S. President George W. Bush, had a heart attack while in a hot tub, local media reported, citing a report by the Knox County Sheriff’s Office.

    In his 2005 book “Twilight in the Desert,” Simmons argued Saudi Arabia’s oil reserves were nearing the highest levels of production they were capable of achieving, after which point the world’s yearly oil supply would begin to decline.

    While Simmons’ views on peak oil were regarded as somewhat controversial, he drew even more attention for a June 9 interview with Fortune magazine, in which he predicted BP Plc would be driven bankrupt in “about a month” as the cleanup costs for the Gulf of Mexico oil spill mounted.

    A week later, Simmons & Co International (SCI), the investment bank that Simmons founded in 1974, said it was cutting ties with its founder, who until that point had served as chairman emeritus.

    Simmons said he was retiring from SCI to devote his time to The Ocean Energy Institute, a think tank and venture capital fund addressing the challenges of U.S. offshore renewable energy.

    “Matt Simmons was an innovative thinker who pushed ideas that have the potential to yield a more environmentally and economically sustainable future for Maine and the world,” Maine Governor John Baldacci said in a statement.

    “Our state has been viewed as a leader in alternative energy in part because of the groundbreaking work spearheaded by Matt Simmons and the Ocean Energy Institute,” Baldacci said.

    (Reporting by Scott Malone and Edward McAllister; Editing by Daniel Trotta and Eric Beech

  133. John F. Kennedy, had he lived, might not have reached the icon status he now has postmortem. His crimes, i.e. romantic affairs, were certainly as heinous as as Bill Clinton’s. By which I mean yes times were different then, but neither man should have been tainted by something that should have remained personal and not political.

    That being said, the whole Camelot theme is a joke. A wannabe twist of history that has gone on too long. If any president’s tenure should be labeled in that way, I personally think that Bill Clinton did more during his presidency to earn it than anyone else.

  134. $26 BILLION Jobs Bill just passed.

    Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are asking for $3.3 BILLION for this quarter. Wonder how much they are going to need next quarter?

    So what’s a BILLION here and a BILLION there these days?

  135. Southern Born,

    What’s going on is that the majority of sub-prime mortgages that are in default were backed by private securities – not Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. But now, those two agencies have committed to buying back all of the mortgages submitted. So, all these private mortgage companies, that sold mortgages under fraudulent conditions, are going to get reimbursed courtesy of the tax payer. This isn’t about decisions made by Fannie and Freddie, but by private mortgage companies, and now Obama is going to let them off the hook entirely.

  136. Hey, what’s you all’s take on Rangel throwing a fit today and saying he’s not going anywhere and apparently gave Obama a piece of his mind, according to the comments I read.

    My TV is out today….I need a new coax cable….my dad cut it with the mower.

  137. The “jobs” bill doesn’t add to the deficit. They cut food stamps to pay for it. I don’t agree with that policy in the midst of a recession at all. It’s horrible for the economy to cut food stamps which are about the most stimulative spending government does in a recession, but if you are for whatever reason concerned with the defict, worry not. This doesn’t add to the deifict.

  138. Speaking about the economy, I am building a porch and I was really surprised by how much lumber has gone down….so before it goes back up I will add a deck on the back. THe owner of the lumber company told me its is at an all time low.

    Now is the time to build while its cheap, if you have a job!

  139. mj, I know that, but for Rangal to say unflattering things on the floor of congress about Potus, black potus at that….things could get ugly for Obama. I understand that Rangal is loved by those folks who vote him in every year…he controls alot of the black vote…doesn’t he??

  140. confloyd
    August 10th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    I think the last voter base Obama has to worry about is african american voters, regardless of their affection for Rangal.

  141. Rangel supported Hillary because they’re both from NY. The unwritten rule of politics is the congresspeople and senators from a presidential candidate’s home state support that candidate. I doubt Obama holds that aginst him, especially since Rangel was pushing publicly to drop out in the weeks before she officially ended her campaign.

    Also, mj is right about the jobs bill; it’s revenue neutral.

  142. About Ted Stevens dead in plane crash.. we took a small plane from Deadhorse to Fairbanks last month during my Alaska trip. I was nervous which surprised me because I fly everywhere on big planes of course, :).

  143. Here’s a quick laugh for those of us who could use one, lol.

    theonion.com/articles/hillary-clinton-drags-taliban-leaders-body-through,17870/

  144. Paula
    August 10th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Sorry, no. Rangal was a HUGE supporter of hers before she ran for Senate. Indeed, he was a major recruiter of her’s into the Senate race, and he began calling her madame President as soon as she won the Senate race. They were very close allies predating her Senate run.

  145. Frankly, I don’t think Rangal did anything he should resign over, and I think it is exactly because he is an enemy of Obama that these charges have been so trumped up.

  146. mj, I know he recruited Hillary, but I’m sure Rangel made up for any gulf between him and Obama by publicly telling Hillary it was time call it quits. I think what’s happening now is simply a case where Obama doesn’t want to waste any political capital (which he has little of anyway) defending Rangel. Even if they were best buds he’d probably do the same thing. Obama only cares about his fate, not anyone else’s.

  147. Obama holds grudges. Telling Hillary to call it quits when the ranks were already closing in, I doubt won any favor with Obama.

  148. Paula, you are right, I remember Rangel calling for Hillary to get out of the race long before she did and who knows how long before that he was a behind the scenes supporter of Barak Obama like Charles Schumer.

    The image of them almost dragging Hillary through the crowd at the convention to endorce Obama is still fresh in my mind.

  149. I think the original intent of Rangel and Waters was to play hardball for awhile to force a favorable settlement. They assumed that the dims would not want to have ethics proceedings against two senior members going into the fall elections. Brinksmanship is fine but sometimes it brings out the worst in both sides and escalation. During the 1970s there was an article on this in the Harvard Business Review. The author was an investment banker with a reputation for being a very tough negotiator, and I have no doubt that he was. But he summed up what he did in one statement which I distinctly recall. He said be unreasonable in a calculated way, force the other side into a corner if you will, right up to the point that you begin to generate an emotional reaction, because once you cross that line the negotiation is over and it is Katie Bar the doors. He was successful because he knew how to push things right up to that point and not a whit further. I doubt the dims have that sixth sense about them especially now as we enter high election season. My sense is that both sides are becoming prisoners of their own tactics. Whether or not they can get the toothpaste back in the tube remains to be seen. Let us hope not.

  150. That Onion article was cute, but those anti-war folks will take it that Hillary has a bloodlust. It plays to both sides.

  151. Southern Born, I don’t think I will ever forget it. It was Schumer hustling her along. I don’t know where Rangal was.

  152. FYI…this was in the news yesterday…

    csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2010/0809/Why-Germany-closed-mosque-where-9-11-plotters-met

  153. Can you imagine Obama showing the leadership in Rev. Wright’s church that Raheel Raza is showing now? I know I can’t. And she is proving now that Obama has no excuse. He’s just a weasel.

  154. US urges Iran to halt ‘imminent’ executions
    (AFP) – 1 hour ago

    WASHINGTON — US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Tuesday the United States was concerned about rights defenders in Iran who face “imminent” execution and urged Tehran to halt plans to kill them.

    Clinton cited the case of an 18-year-old who faces possible execution over homosexuality charges as well as the recent case of a woman who faced death by stoning after being found guilty of adultery.

    “We remain troubled by the case of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, who garnered international attention for her verdict of death by stoning,” Clinton said.

    “While the Iranian government later stated she would not face execution by stoning, her fate is unclear.

    “We are also troubled by reports that Ebrahim Hamidi, an 18-year-old charged with homosexuality, faces imminent execution despite the fact that he is currently without legal representation.”

    Clinton alleged that “neither case has proceeded with the transparency or due process enshrined in Iran’s own constitution” and noted that the lawyer representing them “felt that he had to flee Iran.”

    She also named three political dissidents who were detained after high-profile street protests in 2009.

    “We are also concerned about the fate of Iranians who are in danger of imminent execution for exercising their right to free expression after the June 2009 elections,” Clinton said in a statement, naming Jafar Kazemi, Mohammad Haj Aghaei, and Javad Lari.

    “The United States urges the Iranian government to halt these executions in accordance with its obligations to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and calls for the immediate release of all political prisoners and imprisoned human rights defenders.”

    Cinton was referring to the 1966 UN treaty on fundamental freedoms, which Iran ratified before the 1979 Islamic revolution overthrew the pro-Western shah.

    The United States, the only major Western nation to practice the death penalty, is also part of the treaty but lodged reservations, due in particular to the language over capital punishment.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hCZWuvTZaMxuzJKSipVoal2In8RQ

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