The Anosognosiac of Anosognosia

Here comes Summer! The calendar says Summer! Summer! but, sorry to tell you this, – this is as good as it gets with a certain boob in the White House. Yup. As rotten and as horrible as many know this time to be: It’s going to get worse.

As bad as things are now, this is the Springtime of our discontent. The Winter of our discontent is yet to come. So – happy first day of Summer! Worse times are ahead! Hooray! and Boo!



Let’s get our title explanation at least partly out of the way. Someone sent us a link to a bunch of Farkin’ idiots who appear to be extremely uninformed but willing to display their lack of knowledge and Hopium dementia in a shamelessly ostentatious way. These Farkin’ idiots confirm our analysis that it will take a devastating defeat in November to get Obama Hopium guzzlers to wake up from their narcotic stupor and throw the bum out.

The uninformed idiots are devoid of some basic facts about how unpopular their Mess-iah has become. They seem unaware of Obama’s Katrina too. Hillary’s popularity and the boob’s desperate need for her, escape these idiots as well. However, time was when these types of Farkin’ idiots could attack Hillary Clinton or her supporters and the cheers would be unanimous at their Hopium dens stinking of Chicago stockyard incense, walls covered with fashion don’t Michelle. No longer. Even in the deep dens of denial, a pink light shines now forcing them to confront the truth.

The email about those idiots arrived and we laughed at the poor deluded creatures. The email interrupted our reading of an article in the New York Times today. We put one and one together and our title popped up. The article in the New York Times wonders if there is “a socio-biological account of what forces in evolution selected for stupidity and why?:

“The Anosognosic’s Dilemma: Something’s Wrong but You’ll Never Know What It Is (Part 1)[snip]

ERROL MORRIS: Yes. Maybe it’s an effective strategy for dealing with life. Not dealing with it.

David Dunning, in his book “Self-Insight,” calls the Dunning-Kruger Effect “the anosognosia of everyday life.”[10] When I first heard the word “anosognosia,” I had to look it up. Here’s one definition:

Anosognosia is a condition in which a person who suffers from a disability seems unaware of or denies the existence of his or her disability. [11]

Dunning‘s juxtaposition of anosognosia with everyday life is a surprising and suggestive turn of phrase. After all, anosognosia comes originally from the world of neurology and is the name of a specific neurological disorder.

DAVID DUNNING: An anosognosic patient who is paralyzed simply does not know that he is paralyzed. If you put a pencil in front of them and ask them to pick up the pencil in front of their left hand they won’t do it. And you ask them why, and they’ll say, “Well, I’m tired,” or “I don’t need a pencil.” They literally aren’t alerted to their own paralysis. There is some monitoring system on the right side of the brain that has been damaged, as well as the damage that’s related to the paralysis on the left side. There is also something similar called “hemispatial neglect.” It has to do with a kind of brain damage where people literally cannot see or they can’t pay attention to one side of their environment. If they’re men, they literally only shave one half of their face. And they’re not aware about the other half. If you put food in front of them, they’ll eat half of what’s on the plate and then complain that there’s too little food. You could think of the Dunning-Kruger Effect as a psychological version of this physiological problem. If you have, for lack of a better term, damage to your expertise or imperfection in your knowledge or skill, you’re left literally not knowing that you have that damage. It was an analogy for us.[12]”

It’s, as footnote 12 informs us, “the infirmity that cannot be known nor perceived.” As #12 also warns us, we should not remove terminology from the world of neurology and place it in an “inappropriate and anachronistic social science setting.” Still, warnings aside and our tongue in cheek, Anosognosia explains something about Obama and his minions.

Remember “To know me is to love me”? What happened to that? Really it should be, “to know me is to loathe me”. A while back we quoted Marty Peretz of the New Republic:

“What I suspect is that the president is probably a clinical narcissist. This is not necessarily a bad condition if one maintains for oneself what the psychiatrists call an “optimal margin of illusion,” that is, the margin of hope that allows you to work. But what if his narcissism blinds him to the issues and problems in the world and the inveterate foes of the nation that are not susceptible to his charms?”

Back then we called Big Media the “enablers” of the narcissist. George Will thought that with the Copenhagen speeches to get Chicago the Olympics, Barack Obama and Michelle Obama forced us to consider the possibility that “narcissism has suddenly become an Olympic sport“.

Is it Narcissism or Anosognosia, a combination of both, or some new “well from Hell” gusher from the world of dementia? Lordy, Lord, help us.

We’ve written recently about what is happening in Hillary Clinton world, Bill Clinton world and various other issues related to Obama’s continued unprecedented boobery. But apparently some dunderheads have missed the news about the differences between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Or have they?

The possibility that Obama and his minions have missed the bad news oozing onto the consciousness of America and the world is slim at best. Just today, the rumors of a “Clinton-Obama” rematch are circulating yet again.

“The rumors are flying that Rahm Emanuel will leave the White House after the 2010 elections. Is this a sign that Hillary Clinton will challenge Barack Obama in 2012? There are other clues that the former First Lady wants a rematch of 2008’s bruising Democrat primary in 2012.”

The article has more of the tea leaf reading that many enjoy doing these days along with many of the articles and facts we have cited ( polls on Hillary showing she is popular, polls on Obama showing he is an unpopular boob, polls showing Big Media is less protective these days, more on the dump Biden get Hillary White House propaganda, the Rahm rumors about leaving). It includes a nifty Hillary 2012 poster. [We’ve made our position clear on these matters: there will be no primary challenge but our job is to expose Obama’s boobery and drive him from the race and save America. Hooray!]

It’s not the first article on Barack’s booberies and the challenges he faces and it won’t be the last (this article includes that nifty Hillary 2012 poster as well). Today’s spate of Hillary 2012 articles are due to the corruption news about Rahm Emanuel (he traded favors with Blagojevich, Surprise!) and rumors that he is packing it in (resigning we mean).

Is it at all possible that Hopium guzzling Farkin’ fools and Mess-iah Obama can be missing the news? Is that at all possible? Someone, somewhere knows that there is a problem with Mess-iah.



Someone, puts down the Hopium syringe enough to be aware that the golfing and “I won’t rest until the leak…” video above, are at odds. Someone must be aware that today’s BBQ, and the endless parties and the golfing is a problem, right? Someone must be aware that old stories (Obama’s dinner friends photographed throwing rocks at Israeli soldiers) never examined by Big Media are gushing up from the sea bed of Chicago corruption.

They do know – don’t they?

Or is Anosognosia contagious? Should we call the Centers for Disease Control? Is Obama a Typhoid Mary?

Is Anosognsiac of Anosognosia Obama’s new Nobel Gold title? Angels and ministers of grace defend us!

Don’t worry, it’s going to get worse.

Enjoy the Summer, Winter is coming.



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192 thoughts on “The Anosognosiac of Anosognosia

  1. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2010/06/21/mika-admits-im-working-white-house-oil-spill-talking-points

    Cut out the middle-woman and install Obama’s teleprompter on the Morning Joe set . . .

    Give her high marks for candor: on today’s show, Mika Brzezinski admitted that she has been “working with the White House” on oil spill talking points. But that still leaves the issue of the journalistic propriety of someone in Brzezinski’s position serving as such a blatant shill for the president.

  2. Ohio Dimocratic elected officials should be asked if they approve of this waste of money:

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/06/obama-ohio-speech-text-million-smackers.html

    Obviously, as part of his administration’s plan to reduce spending to address the ginormous deficit, President Obama flew on Air Force One the other day from Washington all the way out to Columbus, Ohio, and back. About a four-hour round-trip flight.

    He was on the ground in the Buckeye State for a total of 70 minutes. By another count, he was on Ohio soil barely 58 minutes, touting more what he sees as an economic recovery. (Obama had tickets to an evening White Sox baseball game back in Washington.)In the interests of humor, the president of the United States also managed to slip in a reference to Vice President Joe “Big Effing Deal” Biden’s notorious March expletive that they’re selling T-shirts of.

    Of those, say, 70 minutes in Ohio, a grand total of 10 were spent speaking in the middle of a closed street, a presidential photo opportunity designed to highlight construction jobs allegedly created by the $787- billion stimulus spending bill he signed in early 2009. Workers on the next-door construction site were unhappy because they were told to stay away from work for the president’s visit — and get an involuntary unpaid day off because of the president’s 600-second appearance. Ohio’s unemployment rate stands at 10.7%.

    With the cost of Air Force One put at around $100,000 per hour, plus the other planes carrying Secret Service, vehicles, Marine One etc., CBS’ amazing Mark Knoller estimates that the trip cost American taxpayers between $500,000 and $1 million.

    That’s as much as $100,000 per minute of speaking time.

    In his brief appearance, the president uttered 1,990 words at the microphone (he had tickets for a Washington Nationals baseball game to make that night).

    That works out to $502 per word and $32,258 per paragraph.

    That’s a lot of money even for a liberal Democrat who’s the Real Good Talker. At the lower trip estimate the

    …government laid out $251.25 per word for the Democrat’s appearance in the crucial battleground state.

    We have the entire text below, as provided by the White House, minus the notations for (Applause) and (Laughter). There weren’t that many.

    Let us know below how much you think the speech was worth. No charge for that.

  3. admin — seems the rats are fleeing the ship, makes me afraid of what is comning down the pike to cause these rats to flee.

    at bloomberg: “Orzag to leave WH post within months.”
    sorry, for some reason it won’t let me post the link

  4. When I said Hillary’s not challenging Obama in 2012, that doesn’t mean she’s not running in 2016.

  5. Orsag – he’ll have a hard time finding someone as dishonest with budgetary matters as this one. Pangs of conscience?

    Mika – Won’t say what I think the twat ought to do to herself.

  6. Haha, I have a funny story for you about the Fark forum, admin.

    Just last week a friend at another forum was checking their logs (their servers had been slowing down), and found that the Fark forum had been hotlinking images to the Fark forum from their site. For those of us not familiar with the term hotlinking, it is considered really poor internet form because it uses someone else’s bandwith/server space to relay content to another site. It is basically the internet equivalent of stealing.

    These idiots are not only anosognosic (they also still think Hillaryis45 is owned by one of them, when I am pretty sure you own it admin)….they are common, petty thieves as well!

    Hmm, me thinks then that it might be time perhaps for the Fark admins to clean up their own house…..because their members are making the Fark forum out to be the butt of the internet! 🙂

  7. BlowMeObama, with your name we understand your desire to poke fun with sexually charged phraseology (towards men and women). However, we’ve been aware for a long time now how deeply ingrained the sexism and misogyny are in the culture.

    So ingrained is the sexism and misogyny that some women will actually argue they are not indulging in sexism and misogyny even when they say things against women that clearly prove they have absorbed the anti-women rhetoric. So insidiousness and so thoroughly have many men and women absorbed the sexism in language that they are not even aware of it. (A situation which goes well with our comic title of today).

    We hope and believe that your comments about Mika were an attempt at humor (namely she should go f*uck herself) and that is why you used a certain word, to go with that suggestion, which is ugly at best (as it was intended to be against a tiresome person).

    After 2008 we have heightened awareness of the use of sexist language and the damage it does. It’s at least degrading. We’d prefer that even men and women who have no sexist intent become aware of the insidious damage this type of language does.

    Political correctness is not something we adhere to and we love the wonderful ability of English to provoke and annoy. However, let’s be aware of the impact of our language and that certain words are a subtle and sometimes not subtle at all attack on women.

  8. Fifth Dimension, in the comments there is a lament from the person who posted the story and started the conversation that the website does not like intelligent “political” conversations because they don’t bring “hits”. It’s the stupid as an evolutionary website even as they denounce others as “the stupid”.

    Other dummies there are sure, sure, Obama gets a second term.

  9. A big story tomorrow will be:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/22/us/22poll.html?hp

    The poll, which examines the public’s reaction to the oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico, highlights some of the complex political challenges the Obama administration faces. For instance, despite intense news coverage and widespread public concern about the economic and ecological damage from the gulf disaster, most Americans remain far more concerned about jobs and the nation’s overall economy.

    And in that regard, President Obama does not fare well: 54 percent of the public say he does not have a clear plan for creating jobs, while only 34 percent say he does, an ominous sign heading into this fall’s midterm elections.[snip]

    And by a nearly 2-to-1 margin, Americans think the country is on the wrong track.

    They are also impatient with Mr. Obama’s response to the oil disaster in the gulf, by a large margin, and attribute the spill to risks taken by BP and its partners in the failed well, according to the poll, which was conducted by telephone from June 16 to 2o with 1,259 adults.[snip]

    By a large margin, the public over all said more regulation of offshore drilling to protect the environment was needed, but respondents were also more likely to attribute the BP accident to a failure of the federal government to enforce existing rules than to a lack of adequate regulation.[snip]

    Yet they also think the Obama administration could be doing more to fix the damage from the leak. Fifty-nine percent said Mr. Obama did not have a clear plan for dealing with the spill.[snip]

    Two months after the rig explosion and fire, just 18 percent of Americans think that BP will be able to stop the leak in the next month. Instead, about half, 48 percent, think it will take the oil company several more months; 16 percent think it will take a year or longer; and 7 percent say the company will never be able to stop the leak.

  10. Admin: You’ve outdone yourself again with this article, LOL!

    Shadowfax, I know many of you can’t understand why I watch Fox and why I actually watch Glenn Beck sometimes….well its like this….I want this idiot in chief out so bad that I am actually hoping someone, somewhere will find an impeachable offense and have the COURAGE to take it up and get him out or at least get him to resign…this guy is wrecking everything I have ever believed about my country.

    Yes, I would not worry if it was Hillary pushing climate bill during this time of the oil spill because you see I trust her…I don’t trust the mobster in chief.

    The way he sets up his friends to make loads of money is horrible and then at the same time he and Soros want Americans to tighten our belts. Bush did the same thing that Obama did, many of his friends got richer, but at least we all had jobs then.

  11. Larry KIng Live is having a telethon for the coastal residents that are fighting the oil spill. Many callers have said that the animals dying that is bothering them more than the oil coming ashore…me to!

  12. henry
    June 21st, 2010 at 8:44 pm
    Can they really be this clueless?

    __________________________

    What do you think?

  13. mj

    Frankly, I don’t get all the fear here about cap and trade.

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    Frankly, Its the messengers that I don’t like and am afraid of…I wanted healthcare reform and look what happened…Obama farked it up and his buddies will get rich….I wanted imigration reform…look at what is happening…those poor folks out in Arizona are looking like Nazi’s when all they want is to be safe….Obama again screwed that up….So why in the world would I want this numbskull anywhere near energy reform because I can see my ass paying thru my nose while his friends will get richer if he is the one that pushes it thru…I am not for anything until this jerk is out of office.

  14. Admin- When I first heard the word “anosognosia,” I had to look it up.
    ————
    Thank God, when I first read the title of your post, I had to google the word, thought my IQ had almost made me incapable of reading the post. 😉

    Back to reading it…

  15. Again, I don’t support cap and trade. I support a carbon tax. But I don’t believe the dire scenarios. Obama’s response to policy is always to err on the side of timidity and not rocking the boat too much. His health bill was a huge give away to private industry, but health care finance in this country is already a huge giveaway to private industry. I personally think when you look at where this country is it needs HUGE changes, and a real skewing away from the wealthy and toward the middle class, and that’s why I oppose Obama, because he’s not up to the task. But the economy didn’t melt down because government was too involved in business, or because government was doing too much to solve problems like climate change, or help the little guy. It’s exactly the opposite. Deregulation has lead to a massive greed at the top, and that is how we got in the derivatives mess that blew the market. I don’t fear long tiem democratic proposals like carbon taxes, or least of all cap and trade. I fear that things haven’t been changed enough to bolster the little guy.

  16. When I said Hillary’s not challenging Obama in 2012, that doesn’t mean she’s not running in 2016.
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    2016 is too impossible.

  17. confloyd
    June 21st, 2010 at 8:51 pm
    …I am not for anything until this jerk is out of office.
    __________________________________

    If there is a sensible goal to be advanced, be certain he will turn it into a torture for you and me before he’s finished with it.

  18. “I don’t support cap and trade. I support a carbon tax”

    Capping carbon according to some govt regulation and trading with other entities. Cap and trade is a carbon tax.
    And the problem is that the banks are going to be middle man for the “taxes” collected.

    And as for deregulation, it was not a lack of regulation that causes problems, it is a lack of enforcement of those regulations that causes problems.
    Corporations have access to lobbyists that small biz owners like will never have, when my biz is hurt by regualations, I have no lobbyist to turn to, so my biz is subject to them. But big corporations have an army of lobbysists that can get excemptions for their companies.

    It not private industry that is the problem, its those corporations that don’t play fair in a free market, and that, I mean if corporations makes mistake, no bailouts, if it succeeds on its own accord, then that is to be appaulded and encouraged.
    The rules should be applied evenly and fairly to everyone, and excemptions shouldn’t be given to those to have friends with the party in power, which is why both parties get $$ from the giant corporations, who bet evenly no matter who is in power.

  19. Well lets face it, Obama could’nt organize an orgy in a whorehouse.

    The guy is the perfect potemkin village. Looks pretty from the outside but ultimately lethal and hiding all sorts of nasty things.

  20. Political correctness is not something we adhere to and we love the wonderful ability of English to provoke and annoy. However, let’s be aware of the impact of our language and that certain words are a subtle and sometimes not subtle at all attack on women.

    Thank you Admin, and thank you Blow for being aware.

  21. confloyd

    Shadowfax, I know many of you can’t understand why I watch Fox and why I actually watch Glenn Beck sometimes
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    I am not judging you confloyd, I watch Fox too, Hannity, Greta and on the weekends, the other guys. I have even watched parts of Beck, and some points he makes I agree with, but more times than not, I end up turning Beck off during his program because I think he has taken his point off into either the tin foil hat area, or right wing, religious, conservative agenda that I don’t agree with.

    My point was that there is spin on Fox, just like the MSM and to question anything that seems out in the ozone. 🙂 Beck is so far out there he sometimes needs to wear a space suit.

  22. tim
    June 21st, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    Yeah, disagree. Cap and trade is a market based way around a straight forward carbon tax. I prefer a straight forward carbon tax, something Bill Clinton first proposed in the early 1990’s. If you are not aware that we have under gone a 30 year period of massive deregulation, I really don’t know what to tell you. Read your history. To say there was regulations that simply were not imposed, actually is a part of the deregulation phenomenon, which started with the notion that a “free’, hence unregulated market, was preferable to ones in which government regulations were imposed. The idea being that businesses would be left to fail, and the bad actors would simply fail, but this doesn’t work in practice. Without regulations and oversight, consumers don’t have the tools to pick the winners and the losers. And, the players that are most able to exploit the deregulated market, then grow to be so large, that allowing them to fail carte blanche would cause a major depression, and inflict such pain on the citizentry that governments are forced to act to avoid such scenarios.

  23. Hillary will be 68 in 2016. That is too old for a man or a woman to run for president–these days. The cultural software is so differennt when Reagan won than it is today. In the workforce today 40 is the new 50. Young people today have their own language, many of them spend more time in the virtual world than in the real one. And they will insist on a president who hails from their generation. This country does not value old age wisdom and experience the way that the eastern cultures do. What they value is youth and the spectacle. The youth today are contemptuous of older people. It used to be that they had to go through apprenticeships and wait their turn. But the computer has empowered them to go right to the top. You see it in so many professions and industriestoday that it is not an anomoly. By the time 2016 rolls around trust me both parties will be marketing candidates who are young and glamorous and not burdened by experience. That is why I say 2012 is Hillary’s last chance at the brass ring because then there will be enough of us left who remember and want to push her over the goal lines, whereas by 2016 the demographics will be different and preclude that possibility. This is not at all the way I want it, but it is the way it is whether I like it or not.

  24. More spin…

    O’Connor: Hillary Clinton as Vice President by summer?

    It is common knowledge that when an incumbent slips below 43 percent, he is probably doomed.

    President Obama just hit 41 percent approval [2] in last week’s Rasmussen poll of likely voters.

    Liberals are mad at him. Conservatives are mad at him. And the once adoring press has turned on him.

    New York Times columnist, Charles Blow says, “The Thrill is Gone.”

    Wall Street Journal columnist, Peggy Noonan calls Obama a “snakebit President.”

    And even the MSNBC talking head, Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, and Chris Matthews — formerly cheerleaders for the President — have soured on his “lame” speech and inability to act decisively on the BP oil spill.

    In addition, members of his own party are ignoring the President during a tough election year. The embattled Arkansas Senator, Blanche Lincoln, preferred Bill Clinton to come save her from an ignoble primary defeat. He obliged.

    So, it is no surprise that the unhappy are no longer whispering, but actually asking aloud, “What’s Hillary up to?”

    Hillary Clinton’s poll numbers are soaring; many above 70 percent approval. She is far more popular than the President, or Congress, or even herself, during her last 20 years in public life.

    Indeed, Hillary Clinton is even popular among Republicans.

    Why?

    Is it because she is hard working, diligent, a team player, discreet, takes on the trouble spots no one else cares to, has proven herself tougher than her boss, and has not bellowed, “I told you so” about the now embattled President?

    Is it because she and Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates, are a veritable tag? Something quite unusual in the history of dueling Cabinet Secretaries. They support the troops, refuse to be played off against one another, and watch each others’ backs. [5]

    Or is it because her toughness is now legendary? Whether taking on Iran, China, the worldwide sexual slave trade or the Armenian-Turkish disputes.

    No, to all of the above.

    While these are all credits for Clinton, as well as favorable press coverage (here and abroad), TV appearances, and admiration from global leader, these are not the causes for the Hillary’s popularity.

    The real reason that Clinton is now the failsafe, back-up position for the Democrats (in the increasing likelihood that Obama’s approval ratings continue to slide) is that she “retreated to advance in another direction.”

    She lost an election battle and won the Commander-in-Chief war. She slogged through the endless state primaries and caucuses; knowing she had already lost the nomination.

    But, in so doing, found her own voice and experienced an epiphany of sorts with those struggling as hard as she. She became the champion of those “left behind” because she really did feel their pain.

    In short, Hillary Clinton became Presidential in her defeat. Indeed, she has grown more even Presidential in stature as Obama has shrunk.

    In accepting the lesser role of Secretary of State, Clinton probably made a quick assessment of Obama’s team (many of whom were sell outs from the Bill Clinton Administration).

    She, like any astute observer in the political arena, could see, firsthand, that the Obama team was not up to the task — that the economic, military, social, and cultural problems would devour them, and that Obama himself, was too inexperienced to avoid the treacherous rip currents.

    Then, she repeated her underrated formula for success: Hunker down, master the details, employ only long-time loyalists, provide them with the tools to succeed, be a team player, be discreet, and bide your time.

    No rush. The rip currents will only get stronger. Stay out of the treacherous domestic waters and stay in the air.

    Hillary Clinton is nowhere near the Obama team’s mess. She trots the globe; racks up press and prestige; and soars above the whirlpool of disapproval now threatening a domestic mini-civil war.

    The bad guys she takes on don’t vote in U.S. elections. She lives in a near risk-free, heady environment.

    Hillary enjoys the enviable position of being the ultimate “outsider” with inside power.

    None of the oil sticking to the now lackluster Obama team; whether on the BP spill, the unpopular bailouts, buyouts, health care mess, job losses, or economic uncertainty, ever touch her.

    Contrast that with Pelosi, Congress, Obama, and the anti-incumbency rage infecting the electorate. Everyone is getting sucked down the drain.

    The Democratic Party needs help. And its leaders know it.

    So, it comes as no surprise that Democratic operatives are now looking for someone to save the party. 2010 may already be lost, but the trend line for 2012 needs to be altered—and soon.

    The Shake Up Looms

    Washington Post columnist, Sally Quinn argues that VP Joe Biden may switch jobs with Hillary [6], so as to put her back on the campaign trail for Democrats.

    “This plan is being discussed in Administration circles. Take it seriously,” she says.

    As Secretary of State, Hillary is prevented, by law, from partisan political campaigning. However, if Biden were to resign, Obama could nominate Hillary to the post of VP. She is probably the only Democrat popular enough to get full Senate confirmation, in short order.

    Obama could then name Biden for the open Secretary of State slot — something he has always wanted.

    And Hillary could hit the campaign trail forthwith.

    Ironically, if Hillary did help save the Democratic majority in the House, it would be to rescue the woman who secretly opposed her Presidential campaign — Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

    The added advantage of Clinton as VP would be to make her legions happy with the swearing-in of the first woman VP in U.S. history; thus, assuaging some of their anger towards the Obama camp.

    It might also provide the Democrats with a female foil capable of successfully debating the popular and fearless, Sarah Palin.

    Then, again, Hillary may still want the Presidency.

    “What If” World

    Makes sense in the new “What if” world we live in. After all, Hillary garnered more primary votes than Obama in 2008, and would probably do so again.

    It is also a possible explanation why she so quickly squelched any talk of an appointment to the U.S. Supreme Court.

    She has other aspirations. Even Republican speech writer, and Wall Street Journal columnist, Peggy Noonan, looks to the Hillary factor. [7]

    “But it’s also true that among Democrats — and others — when the talk turns to the presidency it turns more and more to Hillary Clinton. ‘We may have made a mistake. She would have been better.’ Sooner or later the secretary of state is going to come under fairly consistent pressure to begin to consider 2012.

    “A hunch: She won’t really want to. Because she has enjoyed being loyal. She didn’t only prove to others she could be loyal, a team player. She proved it to herself. And it has only added to her luster.”

    My prediction — Hillary will savor her daughter’s summer wedding. She will trot the globe. She will wait until after the 2010 election results are in. She will take her time to see how far down the Obama team goes.

    Then, and only then, will she commit to the Vice-Presidency or another grueling Presidential run.

    One thing for sure. She will not let either Sarah Palin or Meg Whitman get to the Oval Office first.

    http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-06-21/columns/colleen-oconner/oconnor-hillary-clinton-as-vice-president-by-summer

  25. To me, Obama is an incompetent with no vision who dabbles in too much patronage. But I didn’t change my policy views because Obama won the election. I am quite where I was when Hillary was running in the primary, and based on policy, I fully supported her, and was completely turned off by Obama. My policy views haven’t changed, in that I don’t now not believe in a carbon tax, when I did as a Hillary supporter.

  26. “Cap and trade is a market based way around a straight forward carbon tax. I prefer a straight forward carbon tax”
    Carbon Tax I oppose, and cap n trade I oppose even more b/c I do not trust banks to do any carbon trading, they will probably have deratives and CDS based on this.

    I am not for no regulations, of course regulations are needed, but deregulation and lack of enforcement of existing regulations are 2 seperate things.

  27. Well lets face it, Obama could’nt organize an orgy in a whorehouse.

    The guy is the perfect potemkin village. Looks pretty from the outside but ultimately lethal and hiding all sorts of nasty things.
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    How is he perceived today where you are in the world, if you can say?

  28. Well we all hate him, I don’t think the Turks are enamoured with him either.

    Everyone i know here thinks he is a lying two faced sack of fertilizer.

  29. tim
    June 21st, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    The free market phenonmenon was and has been all about reducing regulations, including regulatory capture, where by companies convince government to let them do their own policing. Lax regulations are certainly a part of the deregulation phenemenom, but many financial regulations have been repealed, never to be replaced with a newer regulatory system. Indeed, many exotic financial products like derivatives have been subject to little if any regulation at all.

  30. JanH, thanks for that link. Good stuff. We like this excerpt you posted:

    http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-06-21/columns/colleen-oconner/oconnor-hillary-clinton-as-vice-president-by-summer

    Indeed, Hillary Clinton is even popular among Republicans.

    Why?

    Is it because she is hard working, diligent, a team player, discreet, takes on the trouble spots no one else cares to, has proven herself tougher than her boss, and has not bellowed, “I told you so” about the now embattled President?

    Is it because she and Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates, are a veritable tag? Something quite unusual in the history of dueling Cabinet Secretaries. They support the troops, refuse to be played off against one another, and watch each others’ backs.

    Or is it because her toughness is now legendary? Whether taking on Iran, China, the worldwide sexual slave trade or the Armenian-Turkish disputes.

    No, to all of the above.

    While these are all credits for Clinton, as well as favorable press coverage (here and abroad), TV appearances, and admiration from global leader, these are not the causes for the Hillary’s popularity.

    The real reason that Clinton is now the failsafe, back-up position for the Democrats (in the increasing likelihood that Obama’s approval ratings continue to slide) is that she “retreated to advance in another direction.”

    She lost an election battle and won the Commander-in-Chief war. She slogged through the endless state primaries and caucuses; knowing she had already lost the nomination.

    But, in so doing, found her own voice and experienced an epiphany of sorts with those struggling as hard as she. She became the champion of those “left behind” because she really did feel their pain.

    In short, Hillary Clinton became Presidential in her defeat. Indeed, she has grown more even Presidential in stature as Obama has shrunk.

    In accepting the lesser role of Secretary of State, Clinton probably made a quick assessment of Obama’s team (many of whom were sell outs from the Bill Clinton Administration).

    She, like any astute observer in the political arena, could see, firsthand, that the Obama team was not up to the task — that the economic, military, social, and cultural problems would devour them, and that Obama himself, was too inexperienced to avoid the treacherous rip currents.

    Then, she repeated her underrated formula for success: Hunker down, master the details, employ only long-time loyalists, provide them with the tools to succeed, be a team player, be discreet, and bide your time.

    No rush. The rip currents will only get stronger. Stay out of the treacherous domestic waters and stay in the air.

    Hillary Clinton is nowhere near the Obama team’s mess. She trots the globe; racks up press and prestige; and soars above the whirlpool of disapproval now threatening a domestic mini-civil war.

    The bad guys she takes on don’t vote in U.S. elections. She lives in a near risk-free, heady environment.

    Hillary enjoys the enviable position of being the ultimate “outsider” with inside power.

    None of the oil sticking to the now lackluster Obama team; whether on the BP spill, the unpopular bailouts, buyouts, health care mess, job losses, or economic uncertainty, ever touch her.

    Contrast that with Pelosi, Congress, Obama, and the anti-incumbency rage infecting the electorate. Everyone is getting sucked down the drain.

    The Democratic Party needs help. And its leaders know it.

    So, it comes as no surprise that Democratic operatives are now looking for someone to save the party. 2010 may already be lost, but the trend line for 2012 needs to be altered—and soon.

    The Shake Up Looms [snip]

    Ironically, if Hillary did help save the Democratic majority in the House, it would be to rescue the woman who secretly opposed her Presidential campaign — Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

    The added advantage of Clinton as VP would be to make her legions happy with the swearing-in of the first woman VP in U.S. history; thus, assuaging some of their anger towards the Obama camp.

    It might also provide the Democrats with a female foil capable of successfully debating the popular and fearless, Sarah Palin.

    Then, again, Hillary may still want the Presidency.

    “What If” World

    Makes sense in the new “What if” world we live in. After all, Hillary garnered more primary votes than Obama in 2008, and would probably do so again.

    It is also a possible explanation why she so quickly squelched any talk of an appointment to the U.S. Supreme Court.

    She has other aspirations. Even Republican speech writer, and Wall Street Journal columnist, Peggy Noonan, looks to the Hillary factor.

    “But it’s also true that among Democrats — and others — when the talk turns to the presidency it turns more and more to Hillary Clinton. ‘We may have made a mistake. She would have been better.’ Sooner or later the secretary of state is going to come under fairly consistent pressure to begin to consider 2012.

    “A hunch: She won’t really want to. Because she has enjoyed being loyal. She didn’t only prove to others she could be loyal, a team player. She proved it to herself. And it has only added to her luster.”

    My prediction — Hillary will savor her daughter’s summer wedding. She will trot the globe. She will wait until after the 2010 election results are in. She will take her time to see how far down the Obama team goes.

    Then, and only then, will she commit to the Vice-Presidency or another grueling Presidential run.

    One thing for sure. She will not let either Sarah Palin or Meg Whitman get to the Oval Office first.

  31. Hi Jan–there are flashes of brilliance in that article. At this point, Hillary is the de facto commander in chief, chief executive officer and leader of this country. And Obama is all mouth, and the great shrinking president. Their fates are tied inexorably to each other, but in an inverse way. When he is polling well she is not and vice versa. I think she can bargain as tough as she wants now, and nobody is going to argue with her. But it is imperative that she not accept that Vice Presidency unless it comes with an iron clad promise that she will be the presidential candidate in 2012.

  32. moon I agree. Obama is so incompetent that he could not make a profit running a whorehouse in a gold rush–unless he had Jake Greasy Thumb Guzzac (Capone’s accountant) or Peter 2=2=whatever you want it to mean oh messiah Orzag running the numbers.

  33. She ‘lost’ (he cheated) an election battle and won the Commander-in-Chief war. She slogged through the endless state primaries and caucuses; knowing she had already lost the nomination.

    But, in so doing, found her own voice and experienced an epiphany of sorts with those struggling as hard as she. She became the champion of those “left behind” because she really did feel their pain.

    In short, Hillary Clinton became Presidential in her defeat. Indeed, she has grown more even Presidential in stature as Obama has shrunk.

    ———-
    (And this part that makes me scream, “Hell yes, she will run before this happens!”)

    One thing for sure. She will not let either Sarah Palin or Meg Whitman get to the Oval Office first.

    Hillary’s worked to many years to let some newbie get there first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  34. I had a much needed cry…reading that article; remembering those primaries and how hard we all worked…..brought back memories in giving Chelsea a quick note to give to her mother in Montana….

  35. One major reason Hillary won’t run against Obama: She has no chance of winning because he would get at least 90 percent of the African-American vote, and that demographic makes up a third of the Dem primary electorate.

  36. Wobbei, I share your feeling about age. And yet … age is as age does? The old people we reject are those who ACT old: McCain, Reagan. Hillary was out there jumping in the rain and showing her strength, and still is.
    ————————————–
    We are dealing here with societal conventions which create perceptions which prevent the best people from getting the job. I do not defend that perception I deplore it but as I look around it seems to be getting worse not better. The computer and the lateral remodeling of corporations are the major drivers. Katherine Kelly Reardon, a great Hillary supporter and academician at USC makes the comment someplace that there are very few great leaders anymore. What we have today in most cases is front men. I can think of no better example of this than Obama, and when he is confronted with a real crisis he freezes up. Hillary is a counter example, and I know Katherine would agree she is one of the last of the great leaders. But it all gets washed away in this youth culture stuff. I do not know how we can expect to compete with China when we have Rookies on deck.

  37. Paula:

    Yes I met Chelsea in Montana…..she is very soft spoken she looked lovely in long hair…she is a little shy!

  38. The only question is whether Obama is running again. It’s not a forgone conclusion that he is. He’s never run on a record before – he’s always run as a blank slate. Now, he would have to show up and face down the signs that say things like, “It’s about the economy, Stupid.” And that would be his worst nightmark. Also, his ego probably couldn’t handle a loss and that he would win re-election is not a foregone conclusion.

    If Obama isn’t convinced that he will absolutely win, he may very well decide to leave early and get down to makin’ money – which is what he really wants to do.

    I’m not even remotely convinced that he’s running for re-election. I do think he is already maneuvering to make sure Clinton doesn’t get the nod, and that one of his good friends does. The preparation we see for Iowa may have more to do with his wanting to anoint a successor rather than him personally running.

    We’ll see.

  39. mp
    June 21st, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    BTW: I will be voting for Carly and Whitman this Nov…..I will not be voting for ANY dem!!!!!
    ———-
    Sorry mp, I like you but I will be voting against both of them and will cancel out your vote. 😉

  40. “But it is imperative that she not accept that Vice Presidency unless it comes with an iron clad promise that she will be the presidential candidate in 2012.”

    ————

    wbboei,

    I sure hope so.

  41. JanH, My favorite part of that article was Hillary’s motto, “stay out of torteous waters and FLY. She flys alot, LOL!

  42. Carly stepped in it when she was caught not know the mic was on when she said something about Boxer’s hair. Not good!

  43. basement angel
    June 21st, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    Not sure why you think that when Obama’s entire focus remains on his re-election campaign. He tries to skate by on policy and keep the Dem aparatus, now completely overtake by his OFA, battle ready. Remember Obama’s pollster said they believe he has “Obama voters” and doesn’t need to rely as much on rank and file Dem voters if he can bring back his Obama voters. And, Obama voters are more concerned with Obama, the man, than any particular policies. At least that according to his pollster. Look what he is doing with the DNC for the 2010 election cycle. No one seriously believes spending that much on recruiting volunteers and canvassing is the way to win Congressional elections(always won on tv ads). Rather they are using the DNC coffers and the ’10 election cycle to bring keep the Obama volunteers fired up and ready to go(gag!). So, I do not see any signs he won’t run.

    wbbeoi, disagree. Remember the public is aging. Note the recent trend in movies with the aging of characters, sex and the city, shrek, etc.. This is because the public is aging and as they are they like to see their characters age. They want to grow old with them. I think this phenomenom will translate all over the spectrum. Also, Reagan and Bush I were older. Clinton and Obama yunger. The public goes back and forth on which cohort they think should lead.

  44. mp

    shadowfax:

    No problem…I think meg has a chance to take it but not sure about Carly…
    ——
    I know Meg has Repug and Tea Party support, maybe Independents, but I don’t think she will have enough Dem votes to pull it off. Also, she had better run a classy campaign on tv or she is toast. And, she needs to debate with Brown or she will be seen as afraid. If she debates and he turns out stumbling, she will have a chance. My guess, she doesn’t win by a fairly small margin.
    Thanks for not being mad at me. 😉

  45. Shadowfax
    June 21st, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    I’m not a Californian but I would think she would lose because the current governor is a Republican and you have such high unemployment. Usually in such times the in Party is out. Also, Jerry Brown seems like the clean up guy. He’s done the job before, knows what he is doing already, I would think it won’t be all that difficult for him.

  46. I agree with Paula. A primary will only cause black voters to be resentful of not only Hillary but any democrat that challenges Obama. They will simply stay home in 2012. Her path to the Presidency is for things to be so bad for Obama that he opts to not run. We have to help the Republicans in 2010 and then we will see.

    I cannot and will not under any circumstances support Hillary as Obama’s Vice President. I’m sorry to say this but I would lose respect for her! This man played the race card not only on her but this entire country. He’s set race relations backwards. And even I never thought in my wildest dreams that his Presidency would be this bad! He makes Carter look competent. It’s a slap in the face to Hillary, to her supporters, and to all qualified women passed over for inadequate men. Its Hillary at the top of the ticket in 2012 for me or I vote Republican!

  47. the real problem in CA is not just the governor…it is the stupid democratic local folks who over ran the budget…

  48. mj
    June 21st, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    Shadowfax
    June 21st, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    I’m not a Californian but I would think she would lose because the current governor is a Republican and you have such high unemployment.

    —————
    You’re not a Californian? Rats, then I can’t cancel your vote…

    The Terminator is a Repug, but more of a centralist married to a Kennedy, so he isn’t really a Repug.

    Meg’s biggest problem is that she supports Raygun policies and Raygun is not liked in Calif. She will also cut public education…another big problem.

  49. warehouse553
    June 21st, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    I think if the Republicans win the House it makes it easier for the President to get re-elected, divided government and all. I actually think the President is at more risk if the House and Senate are more closely divided but still in Dem hands, divided government and all.

  50. “The Terminator is a Repug, but more of a centralist married to a Kennedy, so he isn’t really a Repug.”

    Maybe in the neoliberal sense, but I have yet to see any left leaning policies from your Governor. What policies of his do you consider “centrist”?

  51. I love that Sarah tweeted Rahm, “You lie”.
    Not sure which lie she is referring to, but wish she would tweet Barry, “You’re toast, go home!”

  52. #
    mp

    the real problem in CA is not just the governor…it is the stupid democratic local folks who over ran the budget…
    ——–
    You nailed it, that’s why I am voting out all the incumbents in CA congress.

  53. MP,

    The problem is Prop 13, and the legislature rules on how budgets are passed. In order to leave the committee, a budget bill must pass unanimously. That means, one crank can hold up the entire bill. One on the floor it has to pass with a super majority – not a simple majority. Once again, this means a tiny group of people can hold the budget hostage.

    That’s why California has budget issues, not because of overspending. We have cut back our budget to the bone here. There’s nothing more to cut without seriously damaging our productivity.

  54. shadowfax: sorry to disagree but cuts are needed in CA..even for public education!!!!

    I am not in favor of special programs any more that we cannot support…

    case in point: My local librarian is concerned that they arfe facing budget cuts….I am in favor of shorter open times for public libraries and they need to allow more volunteers to help them….

    TIMES are tough!!!! cuts are needed ….

  55. MJ

    What Obama’s pollsters say is meaningless. They’re relying on the young voters this fall, because they have lost everyone else. It’s the only option they have. Even African Americans aren’t that crazy about him anymore.

    From my point of view, he’s keeping the OFA up and fired up so that he can hand the nomination off to someone of his choosing rather than opening up the primary. He wants to be a kingmaker and I’m certain he wants to beat Clinton again.

    Also, I don’t think he wants to risk impeachment. The fact of the matter is that there is a tremendous amount in his primary campaign that he could likely be prosecuted for. By 2013, unless he changes dramatically, he will likely be facing a Republican congress, and they will impeach him even if they have to make something up. One more reason for him to get out and hand the office off to someone.

    I see a lot of signs that he’s not going to run. I could be wrong, and only time will tell.

  56. Cuts will make times a lot harder.

    California used to have a world class education system, until prop 13. What a total disaster.

    I don’t understand what school of economics people who want more local and state cuts fall in, Herbert Hoover I guess. LOL.

    But California now definatelty needs the feds now.

  57. basement angel
    June 21st, 2010 at 11:09 pm
    MJ

    What Obama’s pollsters say is meaningless.

    —-

    I don’t think that’s true. I think what they say maybe(IS!) wrong but is what they are betting on. Look, Obama LOVES campaigning, and I think he will be happiest when he’s campaign for his second term. No way he let’s BC hold the record for only twice elected Democrat since FDR.

  58. MP,

    State budget cuts increase unemployment and make pulling out of this depression a lot harder. The best thing we can do now is spend money to keep schools and offices open. That’s what the economists who were predicting the trouble we’re in now several years ago (read, none of the conservative economists yammering for cuts) want us to do. Keep spending. That creates jobs. Jobs pay taxes. Taxes pay for the jobs we’re spending on. It’s known as the virtuous circle.

  59. confloyd
    June 21st, 2010 at 10:40 pm
    I think their secret woman weapon that is in hiding in case Hillary runs…is Liz Cheney!

    ——————
    hmmm…well I don’t think Hillary has anything to worry about.

  60. I think he may lose, but no way is he going to walk away without trying to best Bill Clinton in re-election.

    Also, impeachment is such a rarely used political tool, and it actually hurt the Republicans. I don’t think they will do that again, nor do I think the public would ever stand for it.

  61. Oh, I think he’s going to be incredibly miserably campaigning for his second term because people don’t like him. People are hurting. And he’s failed to help the people who, as Bill Clinton put it, need a president. All those unemployed people are going to be showing up and giving him a hard time. He’s going to hate that. And he’s really going to hate the rhetoric being about how he probably can’t win.

    There is nothing about that second run that he’s going to enjoy.

  62. basement angel
    June 21st, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    Really? I think he’ll do the Bush II style campaigning. Huge rallies stacked with supporters. He definately did this in the primary so he could feed off the love of his fans. That’s what I expect. But, I hope you are right. I hope people give him hell he deserves it.

  63. mj
    Jerry Brown seems like the clean up guy. He’s done the job before, knows what he is doing already, I would think it won’t be all that difficult for him.

    ===================

    So how old is he? ;=)

  64. basement angel:

    I hear you….I am not advocating total shutdown….but somewhere a balance needs to be set.

    the housing crisis hit us bad and now property taxes can no longer pay for those special high paying jobs.

    ….I blame Fannie, both parties for the financial mess

  65. JanH, Have you heard anything about the 12 ships that are in the Red Sea?? The flotilla with a bunch of women on board.

  66. The question I have is whether African Americans and young people will still vote for him no matter what.

  67. If these kids can’t watch anything except moving videos, then they won’t know Hillary is 69 or whatever. For that they would have to read. On a video she moves plenty young.

  68. JanH
    June 21st, 2010 at 11:25 pm
    The question I have is whether African Americans and young people will still vote for him no matter what.

    Yeah, probably, but they may not come up in as massive numbers as ’08.

  69. JanH:

    AA’s will vote for him !!!!

    young ones = depends on who is the other candidate…knowing from the past he can certainly turn on his voodoo charm to hypnotise them…even the ones who have had great education….

  70. MJ,

    Don’t blame Fannie. Blame corruption. The problem is that everyone decided to break all the rules and Fanny is irrelevant to that. Up and down the system, everyone cheated. Brokers put people with good credit and high incomes into subprime loans just so that they could get the fees. The fraud was massive and while it existed at Fanny, Fanny, itself, wasn’t the cause of it.

    That’s a lot of rightwing hooey designed to take the heat off the mortgage companies who engaged in overt fraud and criminal behavior.

    Look at this way – we’re in the middle of a commercial real estate melt down, and Fanny doesn’t finance commercial real estate.

  71. As with UHC and immigration reform, if Gore and the Clintons were handling it (instead of just faintly endorsing it), a climate bill even with cap and trade would probably be good. It doesn’t matter whether we believe in human-caused global warming (I do) — we still need less pollution.

    Obama’s speculator friends will make money whatver happens. Whether there will be some good in the cap and trade, or whether it will be only a scam, we don’t know yet.

  72. Oh, the financial mess needs to be set right at Bush’s feet. His DOJ looked the other way knowing how much fraud was transpiring. Don’t let those assholes off the hook.

    You’re introducing a lot of rightwing talking points on a Hillary site. Hillary smack you silly if she heard you talking about cutting jobs, and blaming Fannie Mae for the corruption. What’s up with that?

  73. The Terminator
    What policies of his do you consider “centrist”?
    ———
    All I can think of, now that you mention it is, calling himself a Republican, while he support most of what I believe in. 😉

  74. I see there are a few conversations going on at the same time, and I am distracted by tv…

    I think there can be cuts in the Ca government, their is a lot of waste but cutting public education, fire and police is not where to do it. Too much gov bureaucracy, too many people collecting a paycheck there and working very little. Many people are on furloughs and all fat needs to be cut.

  75. shadowfax…lol!…you sound like a republican!

    Poor government workers, you’ll be laying off the only folks with a job,LOL!

  76. confloyd

    shadowfax…lol!…you sound like a republican!
    ———-
    Well, that’s a first. 🙂

    I just know the people in Sacramento put a lot of folks in gov. that don’t need to be there, while putting teachers, firemen and police in jeopardy. To me, safety, health and education are most important, last on the list are the do nothing to make things better, gov. people.

  77. Shadowfax,

    whenever those jobs are cut, people find out what they are for. We’ve cutting for decades now. I doubt that there is much fat left that can be cut without destroying our economy even worse.

  78. I have a feeling that if Obama knows that he will be beaten in 2012, he won’t run. He is too much of a narcissist. Not getting his way after the midterms with a Republican House may cause him to not seek reelection.

  79. My contribution for Stonehenge Summer Solstice at sunrise:

    admin- please post at your pleasure:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtGqx11i0yM

    And a great accompaniment to the video:

    “May we reach out in the collective and magnify another’ purpose….Marry Summer Solstice! Send healing energy, thoughts, meditations and prayers for the balance of sun and fire – send it for the waters in the gulf…beautiful…Blessed Be!”

  80. wbboei

    June 21st, 2010 at 9:28 pm
    That is why I say 2012 is Hillary’s last chance at the brass ring because then there will be enough of us left who remember and want to push her over the goal lines, whereas by 2016 the demographics will be different and preclude that possibility. This is not at all the way I want it, but it is the way it is whether I like it or not.
    __________________________

    Good point- We’ve reached the threshold of now or never time. There is no advantage to waiting any longer… none, whatsoever!

  81. BA
    Sorry, have to disagree with ya on that one, every time I go into a gov. run office, one or two people are working hard while the others are working as hard as Barry. I look at the idiots in congress that can’t make a good choice if their life depended on it…
    I bet if we cut out the slakers in gov. we would save a boat load of money that could lower the budget.
    I am also for not paying for illegals, big bucks go down the drain there.

  82. Admin: one example of what you are talking about is the monolithic support for Obama in the black community. There is a story behind this. In the beginning the support for Obama was tepid among black leaders. They faulted him for lacking a civil rights experience, and there was an open debate whether he was black enough to get their support. Particularly when they knew that the Clintons had a proven track record of helping black people. What tipped the scales was a massive donation by George Soros to the NAACP. After that most black leaders turned on Hillary and even succumbed to absurd charges that she and Bill of all people, which is the moral equivalent of calling the Pope a heretic. And then they all piled except for a few brave people like the Mayor of Philadelphia, Stephanie Tubbs Jones, etc.

    Most african americans were sold a bill of goods, that if he were only elected then it would be a new heaven and a new earth. And since being elected he and his minions have played the race card against white people until hell won’t have it anymore and his black supporters have piled on. The world can see that Obama is a serial incompetent and his incompetence is wrecking the country. And for all their jubilation, he has not quite delivered for them, now has he? So they get nothing of substance out of the bargain. But it is even worse than that. By refusing to speak out when he uses the race card to silence objective criticism, they put themselves on the outs with the American People.

    Where are the black leaders who supported him now and have since been burned. It is a losing game for them to defend him simply because he is black. Being black is not an affirmative defense for supporting a man who is destroying the country. This is a real trap for black democratic leaders and it is why the Republican party has more black candidates than ever. So where are the Julian Bonds, Jessie Jackson, the legitimate heirs to the civil rights movement. They have a duty to look for some alternative, and teach those who will listen that we are way past the point of making excuses for him, because the rest of the country will not. Now, increasingly when you see focus groups highlighting his incompetence it is the blacks and the white kids who refuse to hold him accountable. The rest of the group are in a state of outrage.

    Obama was billed as the best thing that could have happened to the blacks in America, and it is becoming increasingly clear that he will be the worst. It is hard to watch people work diligently against their own self interest, and shut you down when you try to point out the them where the real equities are. Truth to tell, the only black president we have had was Bill Clinton, and Obama is simply a president who happens to be black.

  83. Shadowfax,

    When have you ever seen an office, that was happy, where everyone looked busy to an outsider? It doesn’t happen.

    IT’s like my grandmother complaining about the WPA projects where people just stood around – yet, that’s the truth of most construction work. There are always people standing around waiting for a job to be finished so that they can do theirs. In film production, most people are standing around most of the time. They get paid good wages to make sure that stuff doesn’t go wrong. Efficient people in offices, frequently have space in their day. That doesn’t mean the office doesn’t need them. It simply means they’ve figured out how to do their jobs efficiently. I once had a girlfriend get fired by an alcoholic boss who was ruining an office. She was brilliantly efficient and he accused her of slacking. They wound up having to hire two people to do her job.

    In a day and age like this, when unemployment is running 12%, to talk about cutting government is to talk about slitting our own throat. We need as many people working right now as we can get. Because if too many are laid off, nothing will prevent a full blown deflationary cycle, and we’ll all be wiped out economically.

  84. Jerry Brown was the orginal moonbat. If Californians elect this tired old loon governor (again), they deserve what they get.

  85. Most people are ignorant of the finer details of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Revisionist history has given this airbrushed image of the Kennedys sitting around the conference table with their advisors cooly and deliberatively backing Nikita Krushev into the corner, and forcing him to leave Cuba with the missile and his tail between his legs. Most people now know that there was a Russian general in Kruschev’s inner circle who was feeding us the details of the deliberations inside the Kremlin, for which he was later executed. Some people know that we did not get to inspect and verify they were gone. However, we agreed to give up our missiles in Turkey, and to make sure there were no further attacks launched agains Fidel anywhere in this hemisphere. But the thing most people do not realize is that Che Gueverra led a group of 200 paramilitary troops who tried to storm the missile sites and fire a few of those babies toward the United States, just for good measure, just as they do not know that according to Kruschev’s son Nikita would come home at night, slam the front door behind him and scream in essence that fucking Fidel want to attack the United States. Such is the kind of man that Obama is friends with namely Fidel.

  86. HWC,

    Brown was the last time we had a well run government. He’s not my favorite guy, but he’s a darn site better than any options we’ve had recently.

  87. Brown sounds like a good person … GOP name-calling aside. (Remember what they called Bill and Hillary.)

    As Governor [in the 70s], Brown proposed the establishment of a state space academy and the purchasing of a satellite that would be launched into orbit to provide emergency communications for the state—a proposal similar to one that was indeed eventually adopted. [ Thus the nicknames ‘moonbat’ and ‘moonbeam’]
    [….]
    In 1970, Brown was elected California Secretary of State. Brown used the position, which was historically limited in power, to bring lawsuits against corporations such as Standard Oil of California, International Telephone and Telegraph, Gulf Oil, and Mobil for violation of campaign-finance laws and argued in person before the California Supreme Court.

    Brown also enforced laws requiring members of the California State Legislature to disclose sources of campaign funds and investigated allegedly falsely-notarized documents that had allowed Richard Nixon to claim a large tax deduction.[3] Brown also played an important role in the drafting and passage of the California Fair Political Practices Act.[4]
    = from Wikipedia

  88. hwc
    June 22nd, 2010 at 2:15 am
    Jerry Brown was the orginal moonbat. If Californians elect this tired old loon governor (again), they deserve what they get.
    ——————————–
    I can think of many reasons not to vote for Jerry, but one surefire way to vote for him. Yes, Governor Moonbeam wanted California to have its own space program. If that had come to pass, then we would not have to rely solely on the federal government to provide that capability while Obama lies hidden around the corner waiting to slash it.

  89. A primary will only cause black voters to be resentful of not only Hillary but any democrat that challenges Obama. They will simply stay home in 2012. Her path to the Presidency is for things to be so bad for Obama that he opts to not run. We have to help the Republicans in 2010 and then we will see.
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    And that is a very dangerous position to put themselves in–blindly supporting a man who is destroying the country solely on the basis of racial identification. It is a game of diminishing returns which leads ultimately to counterproductive consequences. I would hope some of their leaders would see that. After world war II there were still some Germans who remained Nazis despite all the devastation and loss of life they had been through. So I know there are people like that. But when loyalty to a cult blinds someone to the truth and group think takes over that spells trouble.

  90. From the Texas GOP platform:

    Marriage Licenses – We support legislation that would make it a felony to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple and for any civil official to perform a marriage ceremony for such.

    Homosexuality – We believe that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown of the family unit, and leads to the spread of dangerous, communicable diseases. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country’s founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable “alternative” lifestyle in our public education and policy, nor should “family” be redefined to include homosexual “couples.” We are opposed to any granting of special legal entitlements, refuse to recognize, or grant special privileges including, but not limited to: marriage between persons of the same sex (regardless of state of origin), custody of children by homosexuals, homosexual partner insurance or retirement benefits. We oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values.

    [ I pasted this from
    http://www.towleroad.com/2010/06/texas-gop-platform-criminalize-gay-sex-and-imprison-anyone-who-issues-a-marriage-license-to-a-gay-co.html
    which cites
    h t t p : / / static.texastribune.org/media/documents/FINAL_2010_STATE_REPUBLICAN_PARTY_PLATFORM.pdf

  91. admin, you are really prolific, informative and artistic as well. As for the article you submitted as a comment @ 7:36 pm please note this related information:

    President Obama went to the groundbreaking of a road project in Columbus, Ohio, Friday to show that his massive stimulus package is still churning out jobs — a “good news” story that was anything but for some construction workers who were trying to figure out how to make up for the payday they lost due to the president’s visit.
    snip One construction worker told the local TV station that he’s “glad the president’s coming but I sure would like to make that money.”
    snip The White House said the workers will get a chance to recoup their losses.
    www dot foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/18/obamas-stimulus-visit-ohio-results-lost-payday-construction-workers/?test=latestnews

    UppityWoman has expanded the subject in her excellent post “Yet Again: Obama sends workers home without pay so he can talk about putting them to work”
    And as for those workers having a chance to recoup, I can only think of SEIU-type activities, bussed somewhere to skew something Obama’s way.

  92. The following is from the very conservative and cryptic Lame Cherry blog. I found it somewhat interesting.

    I am going to list some facts which need definition as people are becoming sloppy in using terms now concerning Barack Hussein Obama.

    Mr. Obama is not brilliant as his media propaganda tried to brainwash the public into believing.
    Mr. Obama is not a complete moron as far too many on the left have painted this male into a corner.

    What B. Hussein Obama is, is an adept chameleon, who is incapable of attaching hisself to anyone in real adult emotional relationship, quite a sociopath, obsessed with George W. Bush, influenced deeply by demons and capable of reading a teleprompter message to mask his inability to converse intelligently for he is a fused 10 year old child psychologically from being a bastard abandoned by both parents.

    I will not repeat the entire profile of Mr. Obama as it is listed in other works here in his cowardice to commit suicide he instead transferred his hope of being aborted onto the torture of his own cancer ridden mother who dumped him for a last time before she died, and he seeks in transference to euthanize America as cancer ate away at his mother.
    He is perfect in this drive and programming which triggers in his mentality.

    Spike Lee might not comprehend nor Bill Maher the “coolness” of Barack Obama, but the reason he has no normal emotional features is as stated he is a sociopath, meaning in a world full of people, he is the only human with emotional feelings and the rest of humanity are objects to be manipulated for his gratification of being adored and served.

    In observing Mr. Obama, I do wonder how many Dana Milbanks on the left have figured out this person in the White House is literally insane, and he has ruined America deliberately in a plan he was provided and he is not going to stop even after America is dead.
    I mentioned in linking the profile of Ted Bundy to Obama as it mirrors Mr. Obama completely in scope. Mr. Obama uses Predators while Mr. Bundy used a crow bar.
    What was most interesting was Ted Bundy would keep female corpses in putting makeup on them, and having sex with them to the point that they rotted and he was forced to abandon them.

    I submit that from the revisitation of George W. Bush as Obama’s victim of choice to the murdering of America three times over as Mr. Obama has accomplished, that Barack Hussein Obama could have Gulf Gusher crater where the United States had been, George W. Bush on a cross vilified a billion times more than Hitler, and it would still not be enough to satisfy him or a percentage of his follower.
    Where Ted Bundy would abandon the rotting corpse, Obama is like a dog rolling in it and returning to his own vomit as in obsession he literally can not leave it alone.

    In that, Mr. Obama is a trigger puller of ability in carrying out the execution of America and the free world. The question in this is not which cartel in the Rothschilds and Rockefellers who have written his advanced Marxist Fascist agenda which Mr. Obama is following, as he is not capable of dreaming any of this up on the schedule laid out. (Do not overlook that Mr. Obama dithered in deploying Soldiers, because he is on a schedule of events laid out for him for the purpose in getting hisself elected in 2012. That is why Obama is adhering to his timetables like clockwork as he has a phobia instilled in him to keep him from detouring from it.)
    The fact is Obama attempted Cap and Trade and the Gulf Gusher was implemented deliberately to bring about the agenda laid out for him, exactly the same way the Obamacare package was cooled for a few weeks and these NeoProgs returned to it and passed it on the date laid out for them.

    What Mr. Obama has been up to is literal terrorism against the American people and the people now of southern Europe from Greece to Spain, all for the purpose of his benefactors increased power and control in their one committee dictatorship.

    As is obvious now to readers, Mr. Obama is incapable of any of this. He can read the lines and sign the bills, but George Soros sent him on this path for the real powers, and Obama has been ticking off the lines ever since.
    This is not Saul Alinsky nor Bill Ayers, no more than Karl Marx was the head of the movement or Lenin was leading the Bolsheviks. These are the visible faces of history deliberately put there so the real cartel powers are never linked to the events of feudalism being implemented.

    As those cartel families and groups are well known enough, the focus on them is really not important any more than knowing satan is the force which works against God’s humanity.
    What I would really like to know though is how far does this go? By this I mean what is the breaking point of David Axelrod? What is the breaking point of some Democrat in Congress or in the NSA who has access to the Obama Papers in what he is implementing, before that sick feeling in their intestines resonates inside their warped minds, that they are following a literally insane Barack Hussein Obama to take them and the world into his abyss, all for some folks pulling Obama’s strings?

    Where is the Daniel Ellsberg who has access to these files, the mpg’s of Obama stuttering through them as it is explained to him his next move?
    Where is this next icon of the left like Ellsberg in the Pentagon Papers who is going to download a flashdrive, put it on a server and email these files to thousands of news outlets, talk radio, YouTube postings and the television news, to expose this abyss which has been created, expose what a fraud Obama is, and more to the point, to expose the next Gulf Gusher which is coming down the pike that is going to be spoken of as an accident again?

    What kind of certifiable undeniablity would it be to prove something in this Obama Papers file showing up the day a new Obama disaster is being moulded into a catastrophe, along with talking points and how future events will be ticked off?
    Is the next event going to be a Jewish “accident” involving the elected Government of the Israeli state? Is it going to be a New York fireball event? Is it going to be the incineration of some Muslim enclave in retaliation for a terror event? Is it going to be Hutatree part two in some other Americans being framed?

    The Gulf of Mexico is a big act to follow. What is the name of the next Faisal Shahzad for another Obama event?

    There is no conspiracy in this. It is as matter of fact as the chain of command in the Pentagon in running operations. The question is where is the Rand employee, the NSA employee who is privy to this or the folks who broke into the college loan data base in Iowa, framed innocent workers for Obama information, and is now sitting on this while their bosses blackmail Obama, where are these Daniel Ellsberg’s now in releasing all of this in doing one thing for honesty in breaking the Obama Papers hidden agenda in exposing it all to make it public?

    Are there only Obamabots now and cowards? No Daniel Ellsberg’s on the left to actually stand for something on the left in not following Obama into the abyss as Daniel Ellsberg has had some choice comments bucking Obama in the German press.

    Where is Deep Throat and where is Daniel Ellsberg on the left or are they all now bots and cowards, lemmings following Obama over the cliff into the abyss of no return?

    Obamabots you are not coming out of the abyss nor more than the Tianamen Square folks were spared by the elite. You are fodder like the right in this.

    Where is this liberal generation’s Daniel Ellsberg or are they now all lemmings?

    agtG

  93. wbb

    Glad to see you posting more in depth again.
    ***************
    basement angel
    June 21st, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    The problem with CA is the illegals. The cost to the tax payer is in the billions to feed, educate, imprison and house them. When I was in San Diego, the children would use their grandmothers address and shamelessly take the buses, fully loaded, with Mexican citizen children from across the border, and attend our public schools and take the bus back after school without a care in the world, all on the CA dime.This of course includes free breakfast and lunch. What a deal. And one wonders what happen to the CA education system? The middle class is broke. Cut out the illegals and see what happens to the bottom line.

  94. rolling stone article due out friday with scathing comments from general Mc crystal saying Oboob was unprepared for meetings, McCrastal ordered to appear in situation room in person tomorrow. looks like he”s out!

  95. Well, at least Rolling Stone, an entertainment periodical no less, is starting to report some real, unfabricated news outside of the Obama cocoon.

  96. But as Pat Benatar once sang, it’s a little too little, it’s a little too late. (A song for gilted Obamites)?

  97. I only read a few other blogs, but on those few I seem to be reading more and more that Hillary can’t challenge Obama in 2012 because the black people will get mad, and if the black people get mad she will loose.

    So naturally I am beginning to think someone wants us to think and it ain’t necessarily so. I think we all might be surprised at her support form every corner of this country.

    When I see a comment that says “Hillary is toast”, I usually reply: “you saying it doesn’t make it so” just so everyone who reads it knows there is a dissenting opinion. I guess the same goes for my opinion about what Hillary would be met with if she announced a challenge, but I still think there would be dancing in the streets.

  98. I woke up this morning to the Fox channel screaming about McKrystal’s interview in Rolling Stone. WOW!

    Wasn’t it Rolling Stone that was the first publication to really write a scathing report about Obama??

    So it says he was unprepared for meetings….well how can you prepare for meetings when you play basketball all day and you don’t come to work til 10 am and you get off at 5 pm. This man doesn’t want to work.

    Has anyone else read the article, I know it won’t be out til Friday.

  99. This really pisses me off…it takes him four months to make a decision on troop levels….it takes 52 days for him to meet with Tony Hayward…he will not figure out how to cancel the Jones Act…but 3 days before the magazine is due out he is getting people fired and firing some himself…he can get things done when someone tells the truth about him…I hate this S.O.B.

  100. I guess someone forgot to hand him the proper paper before he went into the meeting, or he does not read fast.

  101. NMF, He probably lost the paper…he said himself he loses things.
    Perhaps why so many people say he’s smart is because he’s not.

  102. but 3 days before the magazine is due out he is getting people fired and firing some himself…
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    Oh he gets rolling when the matter is something really important to him. The Nation’s welfare? Yawwwwwwnn.

  103. Once relieved of command, won’t McChrystal be free to air his frustrations/opinions of Obama even more freely? Would he do that I wonder….

  104. White House mocks BP CEO’s yacht race, defends Obama golf
    (AFP) – 18 hours ago

    WASHINGTON — A White House spokesman mocked BP’s chief executive Monday for attending a luxury yacht race despite the oil spill disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, but then defended President Barack Obama’s own weekend golf game.

    Tony Hayward, the British energy giant’s embattled chief, drew fire from the White House over the weekend for having gone to the yacht race Saturday off the Isle of Wight.

    White House spokesman Bill Burton took him to task again on Monday, suggesting that Hayward take part in the cleanup operations in the Gulf of Mexico with the 300,000 euro yacht he co-owns.

    “You know, look, if Tony Hayward wants to put a skimmer on that yacht and bring it down to the Gulf, we’d be happy to have his help,” Burton said to laughter in the White House briefing room.

    “But what’s important isn’t what Tony Hayward’s doing in his free time; it’s what BP is doing to take… responsibility for the mess that they’ve made,” he said.

    His comments echoed those of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel who called Hawyard’s decision to go to the yacht race “part of a long line of PR gaffes and mistakes.”

    But when asked about Obama’s day Saturday, in particular his four hour golf game at a course near Washington, Burton said the president had the right to decompress a bit after a hard week.

    “I don’t think that there’s a person in this country that doesn’t think that their president ought to have a little time to clear his mind,” Burton said.

    “I think that a little time to himself on Father’s Day weekend probably does us all good as American citizens,” he said.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hfQ62qTEIbRH__q_rUMpzykNDtkQ

  105. nomobama
    June 22nd, 2010 at 6:24 am
    “Where is Deep Throat and where is Daniel Ellsberg on the left or are they all now bots and cowards, lemmings following Obama over the cliff into the abyss of no return?”
    ____________________________
    Considering Obama has been on a tear lately punishing “whistle-blowers” for revealing criminals and crimes against the country; Ever wonder why Obama is setting the example if anyone’s conscience is resonating too loudly with information they would like to share with authorities? There you go-

    Lame Cherry must have read wbb’s research on Soros here at
    Pumas Unleashed-

    http://pumasunleashed.wordpress.com/2009/11/05/blockbuster-obama%e2%80%99s-godfather/

  106. Well Gen. McKrystal needs to be given the congressional medal of honor for outing this corrupt, incompetence administration.

    This seems to be snowballing on the boy king, we’ll know if he is a dictator on Wednesday with what he does with McKrystal…I would like to be a fly on the wall to hear what the frat boys are saying what to do with the General.

    Senator Kyl, Orzag, Gulf crisis, Afghanistan, McKrystal, missing Afgans, this is all way to much work for the prom king.

  107. The big word is “father’s” day!!!!

    Did BO play golf with his kids?

    I understand tony H. spent time with his son!

    BTW: I personally do not have any problems if they need to take some time off…everybody needs a little time to de-stress!!!!

    I did not see all the congress working all weekend to do their work!

    As long as they have left others in charge to carry on the work that needs to be done!!!

  108. In the same poll, and sure to incite comment…

    “As for Sarah Palin, ex-governor of Alaska and the 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee, only 26% feel she is qualified to be president, but 61% do not. Thirteen percent (13%) are not sure.”

  109. As I note the number of Obama bumper stickers which remain on the cars of members of the new dimocratic coalition in this town, after all we been through in the past year and one half, I wonder how these people could be so oblivious. The merits of his claim to leadership have been tested and found wanting time and again, yet it does not seem to register. It begs the question what would it take? Would devastating losses in the mid term election, or personal failure caused by his incompetence be enough or is there no getting through the these people. If so they must be written off entirely, and focus must be directed at those who have some cognitive capacity. To those of us who are paying attention it is crystal clear that the man puts politics over problem solving. The most recent example of this is the refusal of his party to pass a budget prior to the November elections. This is the first time ever, since the introduction of the new rule in 1974 that this has happened. This is not only within the purview of government, it is one of its principal duties, but there it sits, a major problem to be solved, unsolved. To solve that problem would require hard choices, to do that in an election year would telegraph their real intentions to the voters at a time when the voters could react, whereas deferring those choices as they are doing defers the issue gets them past the voters, and by the next election they think by the time of the next election they are confident that the voters will have forgotten. Politics uber alles.

  110. basement angel
    June 21st, 2010 at 11:03 pm
    That’s why California has budget issues, not because of overspending. We have cut back our budget to the bone here. There’s nothing more to cut without seriously damaging our productivity.
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    BA, if you have a budget shortfall, you are overspending. Period. There’s no way around that. The only alternatives are increase taxes, cut spending, or some combination of the two. People are taxed to death already.

  111. I just saw the Rass poll, Obama will be spitting bricks at that one.

    The public finally figured out what they did in 2008.

  112. confloyd
    June 22nd, 2010 at 10:34 am
    The General’s aids were VERY critical of Senator Kerry, LOL! Limp dick Kerry, no way! LOL!
    __________________

    Oh, my, stars! John Kerry! Where has he been hiding? Saving the world on another planet, I take it! I hope Bambi isn’t grooming Kerry as Hillary’s replacement?

  113. re: Orzag…follow the money…I am interested in seeing where he goes after he leaves WH…same goes for Chris Dodd…if Daschle is any example…the fix is in and more lobbying and sticking it to the average, hard working people in this country…

    …and then there is Rahm…

  114. #
    Mrs. Smith
    June 22nd, 2010 at 1:13 am

    wbboei

    June 21st, 2010 at 9:28 pm
    That is why I say 2012 is Hillary’s last chance at the brass ring because then there will be enough of us left who remember and want to push her over the goal lines, whereas by 2016 the demographics will be different and preclude that possibility. This is not at all the way I want it, but it is the way it is whether I like it or not.
    __________________________

    Good point- We’ve reached the threshold of now or never time. There is no advantage to waiting any longer… none, whatsoever!
    —–

    Bunk!!!

    I just have to add my three cents to this discussion, I want Hillary to run in 2012…the sooner the better.

    If I have to wait until 2016, I won’t like it, but I will wait. I am the same age as Hillary, and although I don’t look 20 years old any longer, I am wiser and still full of the devil and people are NOT going to be over her in 6 years. No way, no how.

    Only the young, are so into immediate gratification that they might move on to a new shinny candidate, but we already saw what a lack of experience brings to the Oval office.

    Keep the young cuties for the underwear ads, and put a smart, experienced woman in the oval office, no one but Hillary will do.

  115. This is more evidence of Obamas inability to govern. It is alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll politics where he is concerned. Problemsolving? Forgetttttttttttttttabout it. A man who is utterly devoid of integrity who fired a man of integrity. And here is the story behind the story from Larry at No Quarter. And no one in Washington who cares about this country will see this as anything more that one of a dozen examples of a dysfuntional president. He is a clear and present danger to every American.
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    We’re done in Afghanistan and so is General Stan McChrystal. McChrystal, who has been on the frontlines of combatting Islamic extremists since 2003 when he was put in charge of the Joint Special Operations Command, has self-destructed with the help of Rolling Stone Magazine. McChrystal’s problem? He’s not a politician and spoke candidly about his political masters to a journalist. That’s a no-no if you want to stay in your job.

    Here’s the nuts and bolts of what’s going on:

    The top U.S. war commander in Afghanistan is being called to the White House for a meeting with President Obama after issuing an apology Tuesday for an interview in which he took shots at top administration officials and his staff described the president as unprepared for their first one-on-one encounter.

    In the article in this week’s issue of Rolling Stone, Gen. Stanley McChrystal also said he felt betrayed and blind-sided by his diplomatic partner, Ambassador Karl Eikenberry.

    McChrystal’s comments are reverberating through Washington and the Pentagon after the magazine depicted him as a lone wolf on the outs with many important figures in the Obama administration.

    It characterized him as unable to convince some of his own soldiers that his strategy can win the nation’s longest-running war and dejected that the president didn’t know about his commendable military record.

    In Kabul on Tuesday, McChrystal issued a statement saying: “I extend my sincerest apology for this profile. It was a mistake reflecting poor judgment and should never have happened.”

    McChrystal has been called to the White House Situation Room on Wednesday to explain his comments to the magazine directly to the president, a senior administration official told Fox News. Normally, he would appear on a conference call for a regular strategy session.

    The general was making a flurry of calls and decisions in the wake of the article’s publication. Fox News has learned that he fired the press aide, Duncan Boothby, who booked the interview. McChrystal also called Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen late Monday to apologize. Mullen told the general he was deeply disappointed, according to a senior military official at the Pentagon.

    He has since spoken with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass, both of whom were described as attention-seekers by an aide in the article. Kerry said afterward that he has “enormous respect” for the general, while a spokesman for Afghan President Hamid Karzai reportedly said Karzai “strongly supports” McChrystal and his strategy.

    McChrystal is expected to reach Washington early Wednesday.

    The article says that although McChrystal voted for Obama, the two failed to connect from the start. Obama called McChrystal on the carpet last fall for speaking too bluntly about his desire for more troops.

    “I found that time painful,” McChrystal said in the article, on newsstands Friday. “I was selling an unsellable position.”

    It quoted an adviser to McChrystal dismissing the early meeting with Obama as a “10-minute photo op.”

    “Obama clearly didn’t know anything about him, who he was. The boss was pretty disappointed,” the adviser told the magazine.

    Gee, Obama clueless about his military chiefs? How can that be (SUPER SNARK)?

    You can read the full article here. (You also should take a look at Ed Morrissey’s piece at Hot Air).

    McChrystal’s chain of command goes through David Petraeus. While Barack is ostensibly Commander-in-Chief, Petraeus is McChrystal’s immediate boss and should be disciplining his ass for this article. But that’s not going to happen. McChrystal is now a political football and will have to make some decisions. Is he going to pretend that he did not believe what he is reported as saying in the Rolling Stone article? If he does then the thing that has made McChrystal unique–a man of great integrity–will be tarnished.

    The real damage here is that this distraction will ultimately make it impossible to sustain our effort in Afghanistan. I know there has been a lot of hand wringing about the continued war in Afghanistan and suggestions that we are losing. But I don’t think that’s true. In the past we always faced a late Spring/Summer offensive by the Taliban. That’s not the case this year (even though our casualties are up). The violence is confined largely to southeastern Afghanistan. We are not in danger of a military defeat.

    Politically? That’s another problem. Stan McChrystal understood this part and proposed a strategy based on training and equipping Afghani’s to do the fighting and creating some space where the various Afghan tribes and factions could sort things out. That will be the ultimate outcome. We are not able to impose a government on Afghanistan that is politically palatable to the American people.

    McChrystal is now damaged goods and this is his swan song in the Army. He has been a unique commander, almost monk like. He has made enormous personal sacrifice and led his troops from the front. He is the opposite of the political star fucker that characterizes the careers of many generals. I am sad to see his career end like this. Worst of all I think it will ultimately hurt us as a country and Afghanistan will once again become a safehaven for Islamic extremists.

    Echo 4 Items
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  116. I think McChrystal is the lucky one here. He doesn’t have to go down in quicksand with this unfit potus.

    Keep on with firing all the whistleblowers bambi, your insecurity is showing.

    How on earth can anyone be loyal to this potus?

  117. basement angel
    June 22nd, 2010 at 1:46 am

    Shadowfax,

    When have you ever seen an office, that was happy, where everyone looked busy to an outsider? It doesn’t happen.
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    You and I disagree on spending more money. I am not a ‘progressive’ nor a ‘socialist’…I am a centralist and not for big goverment. I swing left on social issues, education, safety and health. Swing right on some and left on others.
    Where I work, 1/3 of the staff have been cut, we have to work harder to fill in gaps, but if that’s what it takes to keep my job and the machine running…so be it.

  118. The article says that although McChrystal voted for Obama,
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    Well, at least one Obama supporter has seen the light. If that minor point is marketed properly, it could give millions who made the same mistake a way off the hook. Unfortunately, it is too subtle for the Republican geniuses to pick up on I am sure. File this one under fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

  119. I may be in the minority here, but McChrystal never should’ve done that interview. You don’t publicly criticize the commander in chief, period.

    That being said, I find it comforting to know he singled out Hillary for praise. Just another reason we know she would’ve been prepared from Day 1 to president – unlike Obama.

  120. The only thing that remains is for some horses ass like Fineman to compare this incident to Truman’s sacking of MacArthur. Given enough time that dim witted poster boy for an ex lax commercial will tap his way through to that comparison. Or maybe they will get Doris Keanes Goodwin to promulgate that lie. When she shows up on a show, the producers should have a real historian there to rebut her statements and a fact checker to make sure they are not plagiarized.

  121. I may be in the minority here, but McChrystal never should’ve done that interview. You don’t publicly criticize the commander in chief, period.
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    That is the traditional view. Generally, generals wait until they retire to criticize. But when a general is thwarted at every turn by an Administration for political ends, and American lives are at stake, there is a case to be made that this is an exception. I would not expect to win that case in a military tribunal, but in a court of law with the right jury it is a slam dunk. McCrystal did not get to where he is by disobeying his superior officers, so for him to do so here speaks volumes. So does the relative silence of his direct boss Patraeus. Normally, silence does not constitute consent, but surely his superior knew he had a tiger by the tail. More interesting by far is the perception of the military as a whole, and this is reflective of their deep distrust of Obama. And that is why the Council on Foreign Relations wants to move her into the Secretary of Defense position when Gates retires–to protect their asset Obama. Unfortunately, this has little to do with protecting the country. It is all politics dressed up to look like they are protecting the country. Recall how Gelb said the military likes Hillary and McChrystals favorable comments about her are reflective of same.

  122. You make some good points, wbboei.

    McChrystal had to know what the fallout would be if he did this, so it wasn’t simply “bad judgment.” His aides are quoted, too. This wasn’t an off-the-cuff slip.

  123. The other thing that should be explored is the fact that Obama and the president of Afghanistan had a blow up a few months ago, ostensibly over other matters. However, military strategy had something to do with it as well. I find it interesting that the Afgan President is more supportive of McCrystals policies than Obama is. I would like to know why.

  124. Obama is/will be trying to appease the left…troop reduction/withdrawl from Afghanistan etc etc…

    But reality is that some army is needed especially to keep karzai around…

    NATO has been very supportive in afghanistan, especially the UK (300 solders dead)….but now these countries are likely to say enough is enough….

  125. The afghan president is basically certifiable. He threatened to join up with the Taliban. The Taliban assassinated his father. To suggest partnering with them is completely contrary to Afghan culture. He was a Bush puppet who has lost his mind.

  126. Think about who McCrystal gave that interview to: Rolling Stone. Do you find anything unusual about that?

    I do.

    What about Time, or Newsweek. He know what we know. They are in the bag for Obama. Ergo, they could be counted upon to twist, distort and censor his words. And they would report him to Obama. That is how cronism works.

    Well perhaps. But what about those bastions of jouranlistic integrity CNN, NBC, ABC who never let a little thing like the tuth stand in the way of a sensational story. They are cronies as well.

    Why not FOX? Because he saw how Beck operates and does not want to be made a characture or have words put in his mouth, or let an Obama shill like OReilly attack him. He wants the truth to get out without the filter.

    So he selected a non-big media outlet, which has shown a willingness to go after corruption on the left as well as the right and to attack large organizations like Goldman Sachs. That being the case, this is a big fuck you to big media, so they will try to go after him with a vengeance. But the more they do that the more vulnerable it makes them.

  127. I think they should sell tickets to listen to the conversation between the King of the flim-flam and the Pentagon’s most secretive black ops General that isn’t used to being politically correct.

    I would give up a month of lunches to hear that conversation….

  128. The afghan president is basically certifiable. He threatened to join up with the Taliban. The Taliban assassinated his father. To suggest partnering with them is completely contrary to Afghan culture. He was a Bush puppet who has lost his mind.
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    Be careful here. You do not know for sure what his motives are. He is the mayor of Kabul and is threatened by the superior military force of his adversary. Some of the things he says are political statements and you have to know the context in which he said them. The fact that he supported our military more than our politicians, and particularly Ambassador Eichenberry is to his credit.

  129. Paula
    June 22nd, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Paula, I also agree with you, McChrystal should have never given that interview. As wbboei points out, Rolling Stone has been willing to go after corruption (even on the left) as of late, but McChrystal should have remembered that RS has been heavily invested in Obama for quite a long time now. Also, I agree…the military doesn’t criticize the commander in chief (although you’ll get no argument from me that Obama isn’t fit for the job in the slightest).

    An editorial at the WaPo has an interesting take on all this:

    Don’t blame McChrystal, blame Obama

    Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal should not lose his job because of the article about him in Rolling Stone magazine. If anyone deserves blame for the latest airing of the administration’s internal feuds over Afghanistan, it is President Obama.

    For months Obama has tolerated deep divisions between his military and civilian aides over how to implement the counterinsurgency strategy he announced last December. The divide has made it practically impossible to fashion a coherent politico-military plan, led to frequent disputes over tactics and contributed to a sharp deterioration in the administration’s relations with Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

    The virtue of the Rolling Stone article is that Obama may finally have to confront the trouble. But the dismissal of McChrystal would be the wrong outcome. It could spell disaster for the military campaign he is now overseeing in southern Afghanistan, and it would reward those in the administration who have been trying to undermine him, including through media leaks of their own.

    Rolling Stone portrays McChrystal as being sharply at odds with Vice President Biden, State Department Afghanistan envoy Richard Holbrooke and U.S. ambassador Karl Ikenberry. Most of its incendiary quotes come not from the general, but his aides — one of whom resigned Tuesday. McChrystal himself apologized for the article; he was reported to be returning to Washington for a White House meeting on Afghanistan Wednesday.

    McChrystal’s enemies were quick to portray him as out of line and likely to be scolded, if not fired, by Obama. My colleague Jonathan Capehart said McChrystal should be ready to resign. But the tensions McChrystal disclosed were not news to anyone who has been following the Afghanistan mission in recent months; I first wrote about them more than a month ago.

    Nor is McChrystal the only participant in the feuding who has gone public with his argument. A scathing memo by Ikenberry describing Karzai as an unreliable partner was leaked to the press last fall. At a White House press briefing during Karzai’s visit to Washington last month, the ambassador pointedly refused to endorse the Afghan leader he must working with.

    Biden, for his part, gave an interview to Newsweek’s Jonathan Alter in which he said that in July of next year “you are going to see a whole lot of [U.S. troops] moving out.” Yet as Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates tartly pointed out over the weekend, “that absolutely has not been decided.” Instead, Biden was pushing his personal version of the strategy Obama approved, which calls for the beginning of withdrawals next year, with the size and pace to be determined by conditions at that time.

    The real trouble is that Obama never resolved the dispute within his administration over Afghanistan strategy. With the backing of Gates and the Pentagon’s top generals, McChrystal sought to apply to Afghanistan the counterinsurgency approach that succeeded over the last three years in Iraq, an option requiring the deployment of tens of thousands more troops. Biden opposed sending most of the reinforcements and argued for a “counterterrorism plus” strategy centered on preventing al-Qaeda from establishing another refuge.

    In the end, Obama adopted what is beginning to look like a bad compromise. He approved most of the additional troops that McChrystal sought, but attached the July, 2011 deadline for beginning withdrawals. Since then both sides have been arguing their cases, in private and in public, to the press and to members of Congress.

    McChrystal may be at fault for expressing his frustrations to Rolling Stone. He is not at fault for the lack of coherence in the Afghan campaign or the continued feuding over strategy. That is Obama’s responsibility.

  130. The difference between McArthurs defiance of Truman and McCrystals defiance of Obama is this: McArthur was an arrogant to the manner born sort of prick, who ignored solid intelligence reports that Chicons were massing on the North Korean border, promised to have the boys home by Christmas, was caught with his pants down when they invaded and couterattacked our forces at Chosin Reservior–I knew some of the Marines who were there, and started giving press conferences advocating use of the atom bomb, which would have brought the Soviet Union into that conflict and possibly started world war III. So when Howard or Doris makes that comparison, somebody needs to point out that the facts here are completely different. The better line of argument is a breakdown in the chain of command, but that implicates Obama, and Petraeus as well as McCrystal.

  131. McCrystal vs the Boy that would be King of the frauds…

    Priceless.

    Sorry, but if I had a war, I would want a fighter in command, not a fraud. And I have no respect for Obama…(that goes without saying).

  132. Paula
    June 21st, 2010 at 10:11 pm
    One major reason Hillary won’t run against Obama: She has no chance of winning because he would get at least 90 percent of the African-American vote, and that demographic makes up a third of the Dem primary electorate.
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    She had more votes than Obama in the primaries, and that was when Obama was getting nothing but pillows and compliments while Hillary was subjected to the gauntlet.

    The AA’s that you say are so important mathematically, and the liberal elites, well they’ve had their chance to see what Obama is like AFTER the wooing is done, when he’s on the clock. It’s not a pretty sight.

    And gone now is one of the prime reasons for voting him in the first time, to break the glass ceiling for a non-white person.

    The next glass ceiling to break is that whole winning streak of Penile-Americans.

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