Let’s Boo Hillary Clinton?

We’re embarrassed by our headline so, like the Obama oil scandal soaked White House, we publish this late on a Friday and attach a question mark to lessen our shame. Bad, Big Pink. Slap yourself Big Pink.

But we do actually have a serious point we want to make. And make it we will.

We would never eat a wonderfully cooked and prepared and presented nutritious dinner, crafted from the best chefs, on the most expensive and gorgeous Czarist Russia dinnerware, René Jules Lalique goblets borrowed from Versailles, glittering, served in a castle by elegant tuxedo suited man-servants – if that dinner had fecal matter sitting on top of the main dish. Ugh. No. Hillary Clinton is that wonderful dinner. Barack Obama is that fecal matter.

That is as elegant/inelegant a way to say that not even the lovely Hillary Clinton could induce us to vote for Barack Obama. We write this because of all the gushing speculation lately that Hillary Clinton might replace Joe Biden and rescue Barack Obama in 2012.

Mess-iah Barack Obama needs a Savior and that Savior is Hillary Clinton. The Hope and Change is to dump Biden and beg Hillary to become Obama’s VP.

In 2008 we occasionally stated that an Obama/Hillary ticket would be perhaps difficult for us in the same way that a child might have an unsavory dinner vs luscious dessert moment. “Eat your vegetables and you can have your favorite dessert.”

No longer. Barack Obama is not a personality issue. True, here at Big Pink, Obama’s nasty self, his snubs, his self-worship and self-love, his Joker face, his head shape, his lanky akimbo self, the very air he breathes, his stinkiness which we can smell through the television – we have grown to dislike Obama personally. But as we have repeatedly written it is Obama and Obamaism that must be defeated, and defeated without mercy and without doubt.

“The person singularly responsible for these catastrophes and the policy singularly responsible is Obama and Obamaism.”

It is not only Barack Obama who must be defeated. Obama’s politics of division “situation comedy coalition” must be defeated and the Democratic Party resurrected and restored.

Now some Democrats are so disgusted, some newly minted Independents are so disgusted, many Republicans are so disgusted that their response is to say that they just want the Obama Dimocratic Party to die and that every Dimocratic elected official should be politically killed, – they never want to have anything to do with, ever again, with or for the Democratic or Dimocratic Party or anything it stands for, has ever stood for, or will ever stand for. We understand that level of disgust.

However, America needs the old Democratic Party. Republicans need the Democratic Party as it used to be before Barack Obama and his thugs so thoroughly trashed it, killed it, and replaced it with that monstrosity we dub the Obama Dimocratic Party.

As we have written before the Republican Party should be the party of the green eye-shade accountants always asking how much things cost and wanting America to either stay the same or go back to an earlier and mythical easier time. The Democratic Party, as it used to be, should be the party that wants to change things – for the better – and wants to move to the future.

The modern Republican Party, in other words, should be the stern “Daddy Party” of stereotypical fastidiousness, frugality, conservatism and the status quo. The modern Democratic Party, in other words, should be the smiling “Mommy Party” of stereotypical freshness, generosity, and daring coupled with change for the better. That’s what the Founding Fathers and Mothers wanted – faction versus faction leading to good government from the clash of ideas.

The Democratic Party, once resurrected, must be for CHANGE. But, it must be CHANGE FOR THE BETTER. We wrote that over and over and over in 2007-2008 but the Hopium guzzlers wanted change for the better or the worse – we got worse with Barack Obama.

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Why write about Boo Hillary today? Well, some are trying to Boo Hillary for all the wrong reasons. Ben Smith of Politico for instance is developing into a more sober version of Hillary Hater Chrissy Hitchens. Smith wrote today that Governor Brewer of Arizona “whacks Clinton“. But anyone with any sense can see Governor Brewer was upset with Barack Obama (not Hillary Clinton) for not having the decency to tell her, after he promised to keep her informed in their meeting (within 2 weeks), about what Obama was going to do about the Arizona law.

Those that want to know what exactly Hillary said about the Arizona law and what we think about her clever comments may do so HERE. Jan Brewer’s appropriate rage was on display today and anyone can decide for themselves quite easily whether Ben Smith’s dishonest headline is close to the truth or whether we are the ones telling the reality based version of the truth. The video is “Obama Breaks Promise to Arizona Governor Jan Brewer” and Barack Obama’s lie to “get back to you within 2 weeks“:



Why write about Boo Hillary today? Events and speculation are gathering force. Obama’s endless boobery and wasted money and stimulus of scams mount in number. As we wrote before anyone else, Obama is the kiss of death. The boo boo Messiah is in need of a Savior because Americans are sick of him.

Here’s a sample of the panic in Big Media Obama circles:

“He certainly shares the irritation of his more liberal strategists that Big Business is being insufficiently grateful for all he has done for their needs and the nation. And he certainly believes in the power of the market much more than his detractors understand, or than his support for some emergency measures would indicate. He is likely to be surprised by the number of defections of big-money Democrats who raised contributions for him in 2008 and who will now — after the financial regulation bill is signed into law — begin a rigorous three-year-long effort to eliminate Democratic control of Congress and remove Obama from the White House.

That’s a sample of Big Media protection of Obama and an example of Obama supporters being pre-tarred for defections away from the catastrophe which is Barack Obama.

Let’s not leave out the DailyKooks from our discussion:

“i voted for the asshole myself. and i rue the day that i did. the fucker’s been terrible. just terrible. perhaps the most disappointing prez ever, what with all the opportunities (huge majority in both houses) and mandates and what not.

the man is failing miserably.”

Failed poet and all around Obama shill and boob, (yup, the NothingLeft Bow wower) is on guard against any perceived attack on his manboob Obama:

“In a typical concern trolling article claiming to want to “save the Democratic Party,” as well as President Obama’s “progressive agenda,” Lanny Davis suffers a bit of a Freudian slip in writing off President Obama’s re-election chances (emphasis mine):

Two events last week involving elements of the Democratic Party who call themselves the “true progressives” show a danger they represent to the progressive change they say they want to effect. Together they offer President Barack Obama an opportunity for a “Sister Souljah moment” – perhaps to save the Democratic Party majority in both houses of Congress, as well as his progressive agenda in the last two years of his administration.

The last two years of Obama’s administration, eh? I guess Davis has given up on the 2012 elections, since a victory in that election would mean the Obama administration has another six years (and seven months) to go.

Democrats and President Obama should definitely follow the electoral advice of someone who has written off Obama’s re-election chances in 2012. Anyone who offers you advice, and who thinks you are going to lose even if you follow that advice, must definitely be acting in good faith. As such, Obama and Dems should seize upon this can’t-miss “opportunity.”

Bowers should go back to haiku butchering. No doubt what set Bowers to bow-wowing Lanny Davis was this quote from Lanny’s article:

“President Obama can confirm that the Democratic Party still stands for the centrist, Clintonian combination of fiscal conservatism, cultural moderation and progressive social programs that favor the middle class over the extremely wealthy — the best chance the Democrats have to hold their majorities in both houses of Congress and to enact the progressive changes that the critics on the left say they truly want.”

Lanny must have giggled for hours after writing that paragraph and the slap-slap two years assessment that let the dogs out.

But why Boo Hillary Clinton this Friday? Because the narrative to get Hillary to run with Barack Obama and thereby save his sorry ass must be, as ridiculous as the speculation is, stopped and stopped without blushing. Here’s some Fox News speculation from this month:

“While the country digests yesterday’s primaries, the White House political machine is undoubtedly working overtime on a more distant challenge – how to get President Obama reelected in 2012.

Here’s a prediction: the Obama administration will bounce Joe Biden off the 2012 ticket, and invite Hillary Clinton to run in his stead.”

In the comments, Kingsgrove served up a bouquet of the Hillary 2012 articles.

This article speculates Hillary will be in “New Hampshire, Next Summer”:

“Data Point #1: Barack Obama’s free-fall in the polls. Data Point #2: Hillary Clinton’s rising popularity.

The next steps:

December, 2010: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton resigns. Says she’s “accomplished what she set out to do” and has “restored America’s position and standing in the world.” Will devote time to writing a “major book about America’s challenges, and opportunities, in a complex, multi-polar world.”

June 2011 – August 2011: The Clintons, inexplicably and very publicly, summer on Squam Lake, in New Hampshire. Lots of Hillary sightings in and around the area, criss-crossing the state. Bill and Hillary at the farmer’s market. At a county fair. You get the idea. ‘What’s she doing in New Hampshire?’ the media wonders.

Labor Day 2011: Delivering the Goods: What I Learned at the State Department, What I Learned from Main Street hits the bookstores. It’s a big bestseller. And very critical of the Obama administration.

September 2011: Terry McCauliffe block-books a couple of floors in the Hampton Suites in Iowa City, IA, and the Manchester Marriott in Manchester, NH.”

This article on The Return of Hillary:

“I think the important datapoint here is the activist left’s fundamental rejection by the White House, borne out in the San Francisco protests which united Tea Partiers and Code Pinkers. Obama has disappointed his base in so many areas, either by failing to keep his promises or by dragging his feet on things they view as moral imperatives — on health care, on Gitmo, on Afghanistan, on security policy, on DADT, and on any number of other policies.[snip]

I honestly think there is an opening here for the return of Howard Dean. A strong ideological progressive who had an opening to gain the nomination in 2004 before his very public gaffe (amazingly, there was no YouTube then), he has little to lose and has already established a national network, and elected a great many Democrats with his broad national strategy. He has also been the most openly critical of this administration of any potential 2012 candidate in nearly all the areas I listed above. Clinton would need to leave the State Department in short order after the midterms, and even then, she would’ve had more of an opening if Obama had tacked further left on his foreign policy, not right.”

Amazing how the Dean speculation grows (hey – we started it back in 2009 with our shocker laughfest “Howard Dean For President!“). We are also pleased that our analysis of Hillary resigning after the 2010 elections is now the dominant narrative (our reasons for writing about that schedule is to keep Hillary off the campaign trail in 2010).

Sensible Moe Lane of RedState (shocking that it is a website called RedState that is sensible in Obama 2010 America) makes sensible sense:

“A good number of people – on both sides of the spectrum – are allowing themselves to speculate on the previously-unthinkable scenario that possibly, just possibly, the President might be successfully challenged in the primaries in 2012. This is America, right? People come out of nowhere to win elections all the time. Why, look at President Obama! He did precisely that in 2008.

Yes. That’s why he’s redesigned the system to keep it from happening in 2012.”

Moe Lane makes sense as he outlines all the schemes Obama has set up to prevent a challenge. But we would warn Lane and others that sometimes the traps you lay catch you. “But, Mousie, thou art no thy lane In proving foresight may be vain: The best laid schemes o’ mice an’ men Gang aft a-gley, An’ lea’e us nought but grief an’ pain, For promised joy.”

Peggy Noonan, still reading from the Pink:

“The president is starting to look snakebit. [snip]

And seems so snakebit, so at the mercy of forces. When you’re snakebit you get some sympathy, and some will come. With all the president’s woe there will be some counter-reaction among commentators, journalists and others. There will likely be among the Democratic leadership, too. “Love him or not he’s what we’ve got, and he’s what we have for the next two years. Help the guy, cool the criticism, punch back for him.” But it’s also true that among Democrats—and others—when the talk turns to the presidency it turns more and more to Hillary Clinton. “We may have made a mistake. She would have been better.” Sooner or later the secretary of state is going to come under fairly consistent pressure to begin to consider 2012.”

Snakebit Obama versus sunshiny, Hillary Clinton – from Peggy Noonan a day late and a dolphin short – Oh my!

Newser gets into the act too:

“Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden really ought to have each other’s job, argues Sally Quinn in the Washington Post. All the arguments against giving Hillary Clinton the VP job—that she might not be happy, that Bill would be a problem, etc.—have effectively evaporated, and certainly haven’t affected the job she’s doing as secretary of state. She’s a tireless campaigner, young enough to run herself in 2016, and a perfect counterpoint to Sarah Palin and her “girl power” push.

Biden, meanwhile, has been rehabilitated from a gaffe-prone loose cannon into a reliable adviser. But his passion is foreign policy, and friends say secretary of state is his dream job. So give it to him. Sometime after the midterm elections, just make the switch. A couple confirmation votes later, Hillary could be on the campaign trail.”

Courtesan Quinn wants Hillary to save Boo-boo Obama. Imagine that. Who coulda guessed? And Courtesan Quinn praising Hillary? We preferred it when Courtesan Quinn booed Hillary. Now Quinn sees Hillary’s fine, fine, qualities in the post Hopium haze (not quite, Courtesan Quinn wants Hillary to save Quinn’s Hopium dealer):

“Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden should switch jobs.

Really.

It makes sense for the Democrats, actually. Clinton has done an incredible job as secretary of state. First of all, she has worked harder than anyone should ever be expected to. She has managed to do the impossible: She is the ambassador of the United States to the world, maintaining her credibility while playing the bad guy to President Obama’s good guy, such as with North Korea, Iran and Israel, and still looking good. She has been a true team player. If Clinton is dissatisfied with her role, you would never know it. She has been loyal and supportive to the president and has maintained a good relationship with him and with others in the White House. If she is being left out of the policymaking, or being sent on trips to keep her out of town, she has not shown it. She is cheerful, thoughtful, serious and diligent. There are no horror stories about her coming out of the State Department. Most notable, though, is that Bill Clinton has not been the problem that so many anticipated. He has been supportive of her and of Obama, and he has stayed out of the limelight and been discreet about his own life.

In short, the arguments against Hillary Clinton being Obama’s vice president have pretty much evaporated.”

Courtesan Quinn is ever so generous, as only whores can be, as she sucks up to Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton. Courtesan Quinn gets the batteries and considers that “loyal” pet dog Hillary as she runs up the walk to lick Obama’s shoes:

“So, what kind of running mate would she be? We’ve seen the team player. Now consider Hillary the Democratic campaigner. She is tireless and relentless. Given the combination of votes that she and Obama got in the 2008 primary campaign, they would be a near-unbeatable team. Clinton also appeals to independents, but importantly, she would neutralize the effect of Sarah Palin. Whatever Palin came up with, Hillary could best her — and the Tea Party crowd as well. The Republicans would lose their “year of the woman” argument. And based on experience alone, Hillary is far more qualified to be president than any of the Republicans being considered today, including Mitt Romney, Bobby Jindal, Tim Pawlenty and Palin.

Clinton is also young enough to be the Democratic nominee at the end of an Obama second term; she will be in her late 60s in 2016 but still younger than Ronald Reagan was when he was inaugurated in 1981 (just shy of 70) and younger than John McCain, who was 72 when he ran in 2008. Most important, were she vice president and Obama were for some reason not able to fulfill his term, she would be ready to step in.”

All the Courtesan Quinn admiration for Hillary Clinton is to help Barack Obama save his sorry ass and the sorry asses of Courtesan Quinn and the other scum and low life Big Media and Big Blog Boys who trashed Hillary Clinton in 2008 and forever. Courtesan Quinn thinks Hillary is “young enough”. We suppose “likable enough” too. Courtesan Quinn wants Hillary to be the cat fight champion by beating up on woman Palin whom Courtesan Quinn thinks is a sure loser. But why do they need Hillary if Palin is such a loser? Why shouldn’t we all want Republicans to have a “year of the woman”? And why worry about independents now that it is too late? Courtesan Quinn and her whore boys and whore girls just want Hillary to be Savior to the Mess-iah of Boobery.

Courtesan Quinn inserts the batteries, ups the level on her vibrator, and fantasizes some more:

“It would not be out of the question for Clinton and Biden to switch jobs sometime after the midterm elections. After the president announced the switch, majorities in both houses of Congress would have to confirm Clinton to her new position, following the rules laid out in the 25th Amendment. She could then immediately begin campaigning for Obama for 2012, and she would also have at least two years in the White House as vice president to give her unassailable experience, clout and credibility. For his part, Biden would simply need Senate confirmation to get to work in Foggy Bottom.

Another scenario is that Obama could wait and choose Hillary as his running mate for 2012 and then have her step down as secretary of state so she could start campaigning. The catch with that plan, however, is that it would make Biden a lame duck and Obama would probably have to appoint an interim secretary of state.”

The courtesans and the boobs want Hillary to be the Savior of their Messiah. Boo to that.

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323 thoughts on “Let’s Boo Hillary Clinton?

  1. The waste of money continues with “save me” publicity stunts by Obama:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20008201-503544.html

    “Mr. Obama spoke for just ten minutes and was on the ground in Ohio for just over an hour. And though his appearance was billed as official and not political, he did use his remarks to deliver attaboys to some of the Democratic politicians here including the Governor, who is up for re-election.

    “You also got one of the best governors in the country in Ted Strickland,” the president said at the start of his remarks.

    Strickland faces a challenge for his job in November from former GOP Congressman John Kasich, who was not at the Recovery Act event. Neither was Boehner.

    The trip Columbus probably cost taxpayers between $500,000 and $1 million.

    Air Force One alone bills out at $100,000 per hour, and the round trip is nearly two hours. Adding to the cost are military aircraft to carry limos and secret service vehicles, Marine One on standby, Secret Service, local police and other factors.

    Governor Stickland just killed himself by appearing with Boo-boo, waste of money Obama.

  2. “Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden should switch jobs”

    oh my! I never get over how completely idiotic these ignorant pundits are!

    Why the hell should Hillary be the VP when she is damn qualified to the the Pres!

    Why the hell should she have to save this a-hole’s butt?

    I just finished reading Hillbuzz’s article about this, and I agree with them.

    If Hillary accepts the VP slot, I will lose much if not all respect for her.

    She needs to directly confront this PO$ who used the race card against her and Bill, directly challenge him… BUT NO ACCEPTING OF THE VP slot.

    Let the Po$ crumble on his own!

    Hillary needs to leave by the end of this year, and when the DNC comes begging for help, show then the door.
    I am now convinced, this version of the undemocratic party needs to lose and lose big, and then clintons can come in. There is no point is saving and redeeming something that does not even realise what they are doing is so horrible.

  3. An administration official confirms a lawsuit will be filed against the Arizona law. Hillary was not speaking out of turn.

    news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts2713

  4. RIP Governor Strickland…LOL! YOu shouldn’t let Obama call out your name….great article…LOL!

  5. Lee Fisher is dead meat too.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38739.html

    President Barack Obama turned his attention from the BP oil spill Friday to talk about another concern: economic recovery.

    But not for long — 58 minutes to be exact.

    In fact, he spent less time on the ground in Columbus, Ohio, than it took to fly there and back.

    The president revved up Air Force One, flew to Ohio, motorcaded to a road construction site, gave a speech on the Recovery Act and flew back to Washington all in the span of three hours. Less than an hour of that was on the ground.[snip]

    Presidents do day-trips all the time, but the Ohio jaunt was an eye-blink by any measure. Air Force One went wheels up at 10:35 a.m.

    The plane landed in Columbus about an hour later. The president shook hands and briefly chatted with Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland, Lt. Gov. Lee Fisher and Columbus Mayor Michael Coleman at the bottom of the jet’s stairs.

    A few minutes later his entire entourage was motorcading to the construction site eight miles away from the Port Columbus International Airport.

    Flanked by seven construction workers in yellow safety vests, Obama stood at a presidential podium and delivered a 13-minute speech on the importance of the Recovery Act. He highlighted small business loans, tax cuts and transportation projects in Ohio. And he pushed for strong infrastructure to build a solid foundation for America’s revival.

    This was Obama’s eighth trip to Ohio since taking office.

    “It is great to be back in Ohio,” he told construction workers. “Strickland said I’ve been in Ohio so much he might start charging me for it.”

    Friday’s trip would hardly add to the bill. Air Force One touched down at Andrews at 1:22 p.m.

  6. Admn:

    Nice article as usual. But there is a typo in the line

    Courtesan Hillary thinks Hillary is “young enough”. We suppose “likable enough” too. Courtesan Quinn wants Hillary…

    It should be Courtesan Quinn. Not Hillary. Please correct it.

  7. Is this the same witch who kept calling Hillary “polarazing”??

    and keeps currently calling Palin “controversial”??

  8. admin — I really recommend Hillbuzz’s article on this. They are on the same thought wave as you.

    I think HillBuzz published the article today at their site

  9. One media commentator from the White House said that there are few overnight trips, and they usually like to get back to DC in the afternoon so that O can be there when his kids come home from school. Yes, the commentator actually indicated the Kids were the driving factor.

    Well, when you become President of the US unfortunately you family suffers (which is why it would have been better that you would have been VP to HRC for 8 years while you hopefully learn something, I hope). I don’t think the people in Louisana have much sympathy for your schedule and priorities.

  10. Sean Hannity and Mike Huckabee just had a feast of Bill Clinton love. They discussed how Bill Clinton would have reacted to the Gulf Gusher of oil and how Bill Clinton would not have ambushed Governor Brewer on Arizona law. It was an amazing thing to witness.

  11. Hillary will NEVER VP for Obama (I pray!). I love the idea she resigns after the ’10 election cycle, spends time in NH, etc… But I don’t Obama can be primaried. I have to go with the Hillbuzz boys on this one, it’s the african american thing. Can you imagine the incensed fake-progressive Democratic establishment if Hillary Clinton took on the first black president? Admin are you suggesting you do think she will do this? How would she get past the racism charges?

  12. Huckabee was very respectful of the clintons during the 2008 undemocratic primaries as well, I remember his one line:
    “BC was a good governor, he and hillary designed very good programs, they were so good, in fact they were still intact when I was gov and exist even now”
    (I’m paraphrasing)

  13. watching Hannity, some OK lawmaker wants to put on the ballot this nov., to ban the use of sharia law in the state.

    completely agree, have no issue with this.

  14. NewMexicoFan
    June 18th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    LOL. Funny his wife a kids just took an overnight trip to LA so his wife could go to game six of the NBA playoffs the night he was giving his vaunted oval office speech. Hmmm.

  15. For someone who was going to change the electoral college map, Obama sure does make a lot of trips to Ohio.

  16. He was laughing at Hillary Ariz. moment….he thought Obama probably did not appreciate the statement that Hillary made. It was releases sometime ago, but they are using this against Hillary…something is up. Especially when I see that chart released.

  17. confloyd
    June 18th, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    I wouldn’t worry confloyd. That’ so inside the beltway. What I think you are seeing, much as admin describes in this article, is a depressed Obama-worshipping MSM looking for a bone, anything, to pick with Hillary so they can prop up their guy. But nobody is going to blame the lawsuit(if there indeed is a lawsuit on Hillary). She’s not the President. So, I wouldn’t worry. I see what the media are doing(probably with the help of the Obama WH spin room), but it ain’t gonna work. That governor certainly doesn’t look angry at Hill, she seemed upset with Obama. I wouldn’t worry about this tarnishing Hillary.

  18. confloyd — its a game these lame people play. They do the same thing to Palin if you notice.

    Whenever Hillary is up in the polls or Sarah as well, they will bring up all sorts of nonsense to pull them both down… and why do they do this? to protect their beloved product of course! Mr. Messaih himself.

  19. How do you tell someone what a great, informative and intelligent wit they have in their writing, when you have done it so many times?

    How?

    Admin, you nailed it again with the perfect touch of humor.

    Awesome!!!

  20. I guess there was nothing on the Blago trial…they have managed to get the oil spill off the news today….they had Ariz. on all day. I wonder if they told everyone to get off the oil spill and get on Ariz. because Hillary said that June 6th…why did they wait so long for it to make front page news unless it was to change the subject. They did, I heard nothing today and haven’t even seen the pipe leaking today…

    Axelrove again!

  21. admin
    June 18th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    Sean Hannity and Mike Huckabee just had a feast of Bill Clinton love. They discussed how Bill Clinton would have reacted to the Gulf Gusher of oil and how Bill Clinton would not have ambushed Governor Brewer on Arizona law. It was an amazing thing to witness.
    ——–
    Yes, and Hannity didn’t even talk about Bill, by imitating his Big Dawg voice. (That may be a first.)

  22. the ‘clinton karma’ thing is quite amazing…

    first we have O, the man, the messiah, the one, who was going to “make the oceans recede and the planet heal” HIT BY FATE with the most beautiful, clear waters of his country filled with sticky, dirty, toxic black oil that not only pollutes the waters but far from healing the planet kills the ecosystem…

    next, we have O completely exposed for the fake, phoney fraud he is…the inexperienced, incompetent man of a few academic accomplishments and some community organizing…woefully unprepared to manage and run a country, much less oversee the crisis management we so desperately need…he is out of his element and out of his league…he does not know what to do…and his apologists keep asking ‘what more can he do?” like incredibly naive Oprah

    well, Hannity and Huckabee I think answered that question very well…

    Admin, if you can post that clip of the Huck and Hannity Bill Clinton lovefest that would be great…for all to see…Huck ticked off beautifully what Bill would have done…FEMA, supreme command, etc…

    …two months into this oil disaster…to this day O has not engaged FEMA…

    I remember when the 1994 earthquake hit Los Angeles, FEMA was there pronto…Los Angeles, Santa Monica were crashing with buildings split in half and people literally in the streets and the only lights were car lights…five freeways went down…but
    Bill Clinton and FEMA were in crisis mode IMMEDIATELY – organized and up and running…

    …and finally, isn’t is ironic, isn’t it rich…that after all the attacks on Hill and Bill…all the insults and characterizations about “time to turn the page”, bla, bla….THAT FINALLY THE CLINTON KARMA IS CATCHING UP WITH THEM…AND THEY ARE GETTING THE RESPECT and RECOGNITION THEY DESERVE…if what we read and hear re Hillary/Biden, Bill to the rescue, etc is finally surfacing, one can only imagine what people are really thinking…the subconscious is becoming conscious…the Dems made a BIG MISTAKE…THEY PICKED THE WRONG PERSON…THEY SHOULD HAVE CHOSEN HILLARY…AND NOW THEY NEED HER MORE THAN EVER…and Bill…

    …the Clinton critics, opponents are finally beginning to see the truth and recognize what we here have known all along…Hill and Bill are the real deal…can anyone imagine how much worse the O admin and WH would be without having been able to rely on Hill and Bill!

  23. OMG, they are pathetic. Do you think they just want hill in the spot light so they can beat her up again, and deflect from Obama? Do they really want her to save hims? What is this all about?

  24. S, the Clinton Karma is “striking” in several meanings of that word. From “heal the planet” to Edwards/Gore divorces to Reid in need of Bill – Instant Karma.

    Once we find the Hannity/Huckabee link we’ll post it. As Shadowfax wrote, Hannity praised Bill Clinton without doing the impression of Clinton’s voice. That might have been “unprecedented” too along with the praise. The world is upside down.

  25. Inside out, upside down! Yes!

    That is some kind of video of this Sally Quinn! Sure seems like she knows the straight stuff.

  26. I have always heard people say, Hillary Clinton, you either love her or hate her.

    Could it possibly be that what we are really starting to see is from Hillary haters, that they are starting to ‘fall in love’ with her? (I know, I am probably delusional saying this, but hang with me for a minute here…)

    Who couldn’t love a woman that is this intelligent, credible, hard working, faithful and representing what most American’s take pride in…when everyone else in politics is just blathering on about what they would do, will do, or someone else should have done.

    Hillary stands out like no one else in politics right now, simply because she is doing what she has always done, a great job.

  27. yes, Admin, if i remember correctly it was Hannity bringing Bill up and mentioning Terry M and actually sounding very sincere in his comparison of Bill vs O…truth be known…there is no comparison…

    …it is almost surreal to think of where we are and how we got here…to go from Bill’s two successful terms and surplus to Bush’s two failed terms and bankruptcy to O unbelievably making Bush’s errors and failures WORSE…and the mess we are in now…

    …and how out of touch O and Biden are…parading around talking about how good things are and Recovery…are they freaking kidding? it just makes them look more and more out of touch…like MO partying in LA while the Gulf dies a little more each day…there is no sense of compassion at all from these people…

    …is it any wonder that everyone is beginning to wake up and realize how special the Clintons are?

  28. Admin, I most have missed your post on Hill leaving state after the ’10 election cycle. I am surprised to hear Quinn say she didn’t commit to finishing the term. I didn’t know that. But are you seriously suggesting she would primary Obama(I wish)? How would she get past the racism charges?

  29. Since Hillary’s lawsuit statement was a week and a half ago, she was probably under the impression the WH was about to make the lawsuit announcement. It was no slip on her part.

  30. It was in a paper in the U.S. before Hillary said it on Tv 2 weeks ago…she didn’t break the story…it was already out.

  31. you know what makes me laugh after watching that Sally Quinn clip, is that all the O people just assume that Hillary is just there waiting for O to ask her and she will immediately jump at the chance…

    Quinn and this meme is designed to control Hillary, as if they, and O, control what she does next with her life…

    Hillary can be much more effective away from a failing, struggling O admin…

    the irony here is…they need her, she does not need them…or O

    Hillary can walk away from SOS a STAR with enormous popularity, unscathed by all the scandals and failure of the incompetent O

    Hillary can walk away from the O admin as the Best, the Brightest and the most accomplished that the O admin had…

  32. blowme0bama
    June 18th, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    Have to admit the last line made me chuckle. “Perhaps the announcement of such a challenge will take place on Ecuadorian TV.”

  33. Mj, from 2009:

    http://www.hillaryis44.org/2009/11/17/barack-obamas-fever-nightmare-hillary-clinton/

    While we don’t think Hillary Clinton will directly challenge Obama for the nomination in 2012, we do think it is the job of sensible Democrats and smart Hillary supporting websites to drive Obama from the 2012 race. It is also the job for American citizens who care about the country.

    Did we mention that “two-thirds of the public thinks that Secretary of State HIllary Clinton’s qualified for the Oval Office. That’s more than Vice President Joe Biden, who’s currently next in line for the presidency.”?

    Our speculation all along has been that the best time for Hillary to resign would be after the 2010 elections so that she does not have to campaign for Dimocrats.

  34. admin
    June 18th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    I’m for that! But sensible Democrats are hard to find these days. LOL. Really it is Obama’s swelled head like Carter before him that I think is the problem. He doesn’t think he needs Dems. he’s got Obama voters or whatever. But I would LOVE to see this happen. Is it unusual for a sec. of state to leave after half a term? I don’t think it is.

  35. admin
    June 18th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    That’s the funny thing. She really, totally does not need Obama. I mean, actually his stink isn’t good for her. But he really needs her just to stay afloat.

  36. PUMA PAC weighs in with “Go Big Or Go Home, Hillary”:

    http://pumapac.org/2010/06/18/go-big-or-go-home-hillary/

    Don’t do it, Hillary. Let obama fall on his own damn face. He and his minions, with the Obots cheering wildly from the sidelines, knifed you in the back. Don’t help them turn the knife now. Leave with your dignity intact and, as Quinn repeats repeatedly, you will not only be both young and rested enough to run on your own in 2016, you will also be four long years distant from the toxic taint of the Obamaism Disaster.

    Let them twist in the wind. That’s exactly what they did to you. And one good turn deserves another.

  37. mj
    June 18th, 2010 at 11:51 pm
    He doesn’t think he needs Dems. he’s got Obama voters or whatever
    ________________________________
    How did they put it? The “Obama brand”. That is just how fucking delusional and tin-eared they are. Carrying the “Obama brand” on your hide is synonomous with FAIL! every where except perhaps Detroit and Chicago.

  38. JanH, She’s just what we need to run this country right now…doesn’t Obama want to play more golf? LOL!

  39. Oh my! this was all in just a couple of days….no wonder she looks tired! She like the energizer bunny, LOL! Obama would be dead inside two days if he had her schedule…LOL!

  40. confloyd,

    I truly believe that if Hillary hadn’t taken on SOS for obama, that his tenure would have been 100% a failure. With Hillary in place, not only does she run circles around him, but she makes him look the tiniest bit better.

  41. Lets see hmm, hmm??? Hillary had an appointment with Biden early in the week, Obama could only meet with BP guy for 20 min. and had an important meeting with Biden at his residence too. Somewhere I read there will be an announcement on Wednesday! Speculation, LOL! She needs to brush him off her shoulder…like he did during the campaign. Clinton Karma!

  42. Caspie, if you come back I wanted you to know Rancho emailed me and wondered if I had your email address. Ended up I don’t and realized I don’t know your real name so even if I did had your email, I couldn’t find it. Please pass your email on to me though Rancho.
    Thanks.

  43. Charles of the Times, really really Blows. It’s June 18, 2010 and the genius finally realizes “The Thrill Is Gone”. We wrote that “The Thrill Is Gone” back in the summer of 2009 with a B.B. King video.

    http://www.hillaryis44.org/2009/07/12/more-obama-failures-defended-by-the-hopium-addled/

    Now Charles Blows:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/19/opinion/19blow.html?hp

    President Obama’s relationship with America, like many a young marriage, is growing sour.

    That’s my surmise after reviewing recent polling and watching the carping that followed his Oval Office speech (which I thought was just fine, by the way).

    It is becoming increasingly apparent that the magic has drained away. Even among his most ardent supporters, there now exists a certain frustration and disillusionment — not necessarily in the execution of his duties, but in his inability to seize moments, chart a course and navigate the choppy waters of public opinion.

    What’s left for many is a big plume of disappointment and sadness lurking just beneath the surface.

    He “surmises” the obvious to many for a long time. Then, a ray of sunlight bursts before retreating:

    On the other side stands Obama — solid and sober, rooted in the belief that his way is the right way and in no need of alteration. He’s the emotionally maimed type who lights up when he’s stroked and adored but shuts down in the face of acrimony. Other people’s anxieties are dismissed as irrational and unworthy of engagement or empathy. He seems quite comfortable with this aspect of his personality, even if few others are, and shows little desire to change it. It’s the height of irony: the presumed transformative president is stymied by his own unwillingness to be transformed. He would rather sacrifice the relationship than be altered by it.

    Blow ends by saying “America has to grow up…” In an attempt to defend Obama however, he condemns him “There is a lot of space between a caricature and a man of character.” Someday Blow will take the next step of his surmise and admit that Obama is not a man of character. It’s staring him right in the face.

  44. Admin,

    Great post (as usual). I’m pretty sure Hillary is seeing all this speculation just like we are. I would also bet the farm that she has ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION of campaigning for or running with Obumbles. The only thing I can’t figure out yet is how the Obamas plan to campaign against her the second time. The racist angle won’t work. The change angle won’t work. The corporatist angle won’t work. The team player angle won’t work either. The Bill Clinton can’t be trusted angle won’t work. Furthermore, I think women generally that defected to Obumbles have seen the error of their ways. Give Axelrod credit. Him and Rove are evil men, but they are political genuiuses. You have to be to get the clowns they worked for elected. I have to assume he has postulated to some degree the possibility of running against Hillary again. I just can’t figure what his tactic would be this time. Do you think that he is planting these ‘Hillary for VP’ stories already?

  45. What worries me, is if Joe steps down…(I swear I think he said he would only be VP for one term…)
    I digress…
    If Barry asks Hillary to be his VP, to ‘save’ the party from going to the Repubs…and plays the, “I need you, the party needs you…” and makes her feel like it will only be for 4 years.

    Then the Repugs run Mitt……………….

    That will really stink to high Heaven. I will never vote for Mitt.

  46. admin: You make me laugh so much that it takes me forever to read your posts….”a day late and a dolphin short”. Classic Big Pink.

  47. Great post (as usual). I’m pretty sure Hillary is seeing all this speculation just like we are. I would also bet the farm that she has ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION of campaigning for or running with Obumbles. The only thing I can’t figure out yet is how the Obamas plan to campaign against her the second time. The racist angle won’t work. The change angle won’t work. The corporatist angle won’t work. The team player angle won’t work either. The Bill Clinton can’t be trusted angle won’t work. Furthermore, I think women generally that defected to Obumbles have seen the error of their ways. Give Axelrod credit. Him and Rove are evil men, but they are political genuiuses. You have to be to get the clowns they worked for elected. I have to assume he has postulated to some degree the possibility of running against Hillary again. I just can’t figure what his tactic would be this time. Do you think that he is planting these ‘Hillary for VP’ stories already?
    —————————————————————————–
    If you think about it this is quite a spectacle. The party hacks who lied, cheated and stole the nomination from her, and the big media whores who did their level best to destroy her politically and personally, are now crawling to her like worms and begging her to save the messiah and to save them from the bitter consequences of their treason. The proper response is that hearty belly laugh they once decried, and a short statement thank you but I would hate to cramp his style. And when they laid it on thick about saving the party and saving the country, the proper response would be to read the purple prose they wrote about him in 2008 back to them and ask them why they think he needs help. And when they pressed the issue further she should look them in the eye and in the sweetest voice she can muster tell them to kill their own snakes. The morale to this story is from Shakespeare: Hillary, to thine own self be true: “Go Big or Go Home.”

  48. #
    Puma-SF
    June 19th, 2010 at 1:32 am

    admin: You make me laugh so much that it takes me forever to read your posts….”a day late and a dolphin short”. Classic Big Pink.

    ———-
    I agree PUMA SF, Admin is really funny.

  49. admin
    June 19th, 2010 at 1:42 am

    Its so funny to watch as these people realize what has been obvious to so many for so long. All they know how to do in the White House is campaign…….

  50. Womenstate has a video of David Gregory in which Gregory talks about the lack of business expertise in the White House.
    ———

    I find it amazing with all the things that the O’administration has done wrong in the past year and a half, it took the Gulf disaster to make the obots finally turn on their dear leader. Now it seems, they are admitting that everything he has done is a failure.

    About freakin’ time!!!

  51. Hillary needs to have a plausible reason to say no. But whatever that reason might be, the bottom line must be no. I think the offer will be made. I believe Biden wants out. The real tip off is that Ben Bradley’s whore would be prattling on about it. There is not pot of gold at the end of this rainbow for Hillary. Just say no. John Nance Garner said it best: the vice presidency aint worth a warm bucket of spit. Under this sociopath it is not even worth that much.

  52. find it amazing with all the things that the O’administration has done wrong in the past year and a half, it took the Gulf disaster to make the obots finally turn on their dear leader. Now it seems, they are admitting that everything he has done is a failure.

    About freakin’ time!!!
    ———————-
    Tipping Point.

  53. Would Big Pink even exist if Hillary wasn’t planning on running again? This blog is a lot of work. The writing is dense, informed, with a lot of links. Admin doesn’t throw these posts together in five minutes. No one else really does what she/he does here and if it was merely pointing out the truth about Obama, he/she could do much shorter articles.

    Bears pondering.

  54. The code pinkers and Howard Dean types would never vote for Clinton. They’d say that she wouldn’t get out of Iraq or close GITMO or end Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.

  55. The only way I would accept an offer like that is if I had a firm enforceable commitment from him that he would not run again in 2012. In that case, I would not ask for his support because that has turned out to be the practical equivalent of the Mafia kiss for candidates. Since that is not in the cards, the advice stands: go big or go home.

  56. Hillary knows and Hillary laughs:

    http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0610/clinton_as_no_2_78469c3b-c5b0-4d80-bc15-e8cf8e6e80fa.htmlhttp://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0610/clinton_as_no_2_78469c3b-c5b0-4d80-bc15-e8cf8e6e80fa.html

    Sally Quinn wants Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Vice President Joe Biden to switch jobs. But Clinton’s remaining tight lipped about that somewhat outlandish proposition.

    After meeting with Danish Foreign Minister Lene Espersen on Friday, CNN’s Jill Dougherty tried to get her to comment. Dougherty first asked about the ethnic cleansing by Kyrgyz military against Uzbek citizens and allegations that United States is softening its criticism of the Kyrgyz government.

    “And then just one last quick question. An article about you recently, this week in a local newspaper, which said, Would you like to trade places with Joe Biden?” she said.

    Let’s stick to Kyrgyzstan,” Clinton said to laughter.

  57. I think Clinton’s running in 2012. I don’t think she’s going to primary Obama because I don’t think he’s running. Maybe I’m crazy, but I can’t make heads or tails out of the inside weirdness any other way.

    Don’t you wonder what she and he talked about alone in Feinstein’s den?

  58. “Let’s stick to Kyrgyzstan,” Clinton said to laughter.

    ————-
    That’s our girl!!!!

  59. Don’t you wonder what she and he talked about alone in Feinstein’s den?

    I always thought that was the SOS offer that at first she turned down. I doubt if he just said he only wanted one term, but then again, he was the guy that only voted ‘present’.

  60. The German’s must have gotten the memo too…

    Der Speigel (major German paper) reports:

    Can US President Barack Obama lead America away from fossil fuel dependency? German commentators don’t think so. Some say he is in danger of turning into an idealistic, one-term president like Jimmy Carter.

    US President Barack Obama’s address from the Oval Office on Tuesday was supposed to be a moment of leadership during the worst environmental disaster in American history. But critics from across the political spectrum wondered afterwards whether he’d shown leadership at all. The geyser of oil in the Gulf of Mexico seems, technologically, to lie beyond anything either BP or the US government was prepared for, and Obama failed to mention any specific new ideas.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,701279,00.html

    Barry is up shit creek…………..

  61. If there is a discussion going on, then it will be a negotiation. If it is a negotiation then will be a poker game, If it is a poker game then it is aces or better to open. His bet: Save the party? Already did. Save the country? Can’t do it as vice president. I will help you. Why do I need your help, I am 15 points higher in the polls. Etc.

  62. She used the SOS position to legitimize herself in her second run. Some of the mud stuck and her position within his administration washed it away. The Code Pinkers and the Deaniacs will vote for her now. But taking the position of VP diminishes her – as if she has to audition for the role. She won’t go near it.

    I don’t think they talked about the SOS job. I think they talked about all the affadavits that Clinton has as well as the physical evidence of campaign fraud.

  63. She used the SOS position to legitimize herself in her second run. Some of the mud stuck and her position within his administration washed it away. The Code Pinkers and the Deaniacs will vote for her now. But taking the position of VP diminishes her – as if she has to audition for the role. She won’t go near it.
    —————————–
    I sure hope you are right on the last sentence.

  64. I don’t think they talked about the SOS job. I think they talked about all the affadavits that Clinton has as well as the physical evidence of campaign fraud.

    Why would she bring this up then? Just to let him know that he didn’t get away with it, or to gain something???

  65. Shadowfax,

    Some people aren’t where I expect them to be. Some people are where I don’t expect them to be. Strange allegiances popping up. The expectation that Obama won’t run again. Just weirdness all the way around. It’s a very odd political season.

    There are times when everybody in DC knows something and simply refuse to share it with the rest of the nation. It happened with Scooter Libby’s trial but I don’t remember the details. But over the years, there have been a lot of times when something relevant and substantial that was common knowledge in DC, was completely unknown in the outside world.

  66. Shadowfax,

    She could put him in prison if she pushed the issue. Why wouldn’t she bring it up?

  67. basement angel
    June 19th, 2010 at 2:31 am

    See the above post from admin about her response when asked that question. I think its a lock that she won’t accept it if offered! Hooray!! 🙂

  68. I agree that there is something strange, but then again, this campaign buying off the media was strange to me. The massive amounts of money to buy positions and bankers involved…getting away with it is mindblowing to me.

  69. #
    basement angel

    She could put him in prison if she pushed the issue. Why wouldn’t she bring it up?
    ——–
    How could she go from telling him that to accepting SOS? Seems like something is missing in the middle of that connection?

  70. I was just over reading Hillbuzz where the boys say if Hillary took a VP job from the fraud, they would lose all respect for her…

    that is ridiculous.

  71. basement angel

    I could be wrong about all of this.
    ———-
    I realize we are going down the rabbit hole in speculation on this, but something serious went on that day, Hillary was really out of the public eye for quite awhile after that, she must have been regrouping and upset (I would be), and we may never know what happened…but something serious happened that changed her mind in wanting to be the SOS.

  72. Shadowfax,

    No, I don’t think so. She’s used the SOS position to benefit herself and her future run. Think about her speech at the convention. She quoted Riverdaughter – take that in. Think about the Harriet Tubman quote about keeping running – gives me chills just to think about it.

    What was she going to do? Stay in the senate and have to vote one way or the other on that piece of shit health care plan? You think she wanted to take a stand on that? No, she simply got out of Dodge, in a sense, while burnishing her own resume. She’s now been senator for 8 years, First Lady for 8 years and she’ll have been SOS for 3 years – no one in the GOP can touch her. And she’s been a loyal member of the administration and has demolished all of the damaging lies the Obama camp told about her. She’s golden.

  73. REQUIEM TO DEJECTED BOT

    Falling in Love with BARACK is falling for make-believe!
    Falling in Love with BARACK is playing the fool!
    Caring too HIM is such a juvenile fancy!
    TRUSTING HIS WORD is just for children in school.
    YOU fell in Love with BARACK one night IN A HOPIUM DREAM
    You WERE A FOOL with eyes unable to see!
    You fell in Love with BARACK with LOVE ever-lasting.
    But BARACK ROLLED A TRUCK OVER YOU.

  74. BA

    I agree with you on all that, and her reasons…and she is GOLDEN.

    Winning over the obots, being loyal and hard working Dem, etc.

    She would have gone back to the Senate as a Jr. Senator, no real promotion there after winning most votes for President…and not having to support and vote for crappy bills that the fraud, nancy and reid were going to push though.

  75. BA
    Yes, I remember the tie into Riverdaughter and Harriet…I was in the PUMA den with you in Denver. 😉

  76. wbboei
    June 19th, 2010 at 2:50 am

    REQUIEM TO DEJECTED BOT

    ————
    Funny. Even the Obama Girl left him in the dust a long time ago, and she was no Einstein.

  77. Clinton had to have something to beat Obama over the head with in order to get the right to make all the political appointments in the State Department. He didn’t turn that over willingly.

    She’s got the goods on him. He has to remain in her good graces. He doesn’t want her turning over the palm cards along with the names and addresses of the 16 year olds who voted for him in the Indiana primary.

    He ran a highly illegal campaign all over the country. In Texas, paperwork was stolen and phony called in. People were locked out of voting. Ballot boxes were stuffed. And all of that was done consistently by the Obama camp. There was a pattern and it played all over the state.

    In Iowa, dozens of African American kids would show up on a bus and vote in precincts where there were no african American families. The FBI has photographs of parking lots in that state stuffed with cars from Illinois on the night of the caucus. In Indiana, teenagers under the age of 18 were bussed out of their neighborhood, to an early voting place, handed a palm card with the names of candidates for vote for (including Obama) and rewarded with an Ipod and lunch.

    This shit went on all over the nation, and Clinton has the affadavits and at least some physical evidence. What she has to be careful of is alienating the African American community. What he has to be careful of is going to prison or pissing her off sufficiently that she turns the goods over to a real journalist who tells the story. She’s got him over a barrel.

  78. I keep thinking of all the obots that donated big time to That One, now many are unemployed, they must be pist.

  79. Shadowfax,

    You were there? Wasn’t that exciting? That speech was an amazing moment.

    Did we talk? Did I interview you?

  80. Hillbuzz where the boys say if Hillary took a VP job from the fraud, they would lose all respect for her
    ————————————————-
    I completely agree. I firmly believe that Obama is destroying the country. If you have ever stood at the helm of a large ship in the middle of the ocean, and turned wheel a little it does not move so you turn it a little more and it still does not move so you turn it hard right to starboard and suddenly it starts to turn a little then more then more and finally you have done a completer 360 much to the delight of the bosuns mate and the ire of the navigator. Well, that is Barack for you. The things he is doing will have long term adverse effects for the country, and Hillary does not need to be part of this. The long term damage he has done is irreversible.

  81. This shit went on all over the nation, and Clinton has the affadavits and at least some physical evidence. What she has to be careful of is alienating the African American community. What he has to be careful of is going to prison or pissing her off sufficiently that she turns the goods over to a real journalist who tells the story. She’s got him over a barrel.

    I wonder if she could use it to ‘convince’ him to step down for some ‘medical bs’ reason after one term? Would she do that, for the sake of the nation?

    Not if MO found out. 🙂

  82. basement angel

    Shadowfax,

    You were there? Wasn’t that exciting? That speech was an amazing moment.

    Did we talk? Did I interview you?
    ——-
    Yes, I was there and went on all the events with the gang. We did speak a little, not much. Hillary’s speech in her bright orange pant suit, was wonderful. The convention speech broke my heart and I changed my flight to exit Denver while Obama was prancing on stage.
    I will never forget it, and the damn heat.
    Hillary runs again, I will be there, this time with more experience.

  83. I am not saying this is an easy decision. There will be lots of pressure on her to accept that crown of thorns when and if it is offered. What I am saying is there is a right decision (no) and a wrong decision (yes). Nobody can save the country from this guy as long as he is in office. He is the darling of the elites and the enemy of the American People. You cannot ally yourself with someone who is evil, and be respected. The problem with Obama is character more so than inexperience. He is the spawn of Soros, and he the bubonic plague of the economic and political system. Go big or go home is what my bumper sticker would read.

  84. Clinton had to have something to beat Obama over the head with in order to get the right to make all the political appointments in the State Department. He didn’t turn that over willingly.
    —————————-
    According to my nformation half of them are his people including steinberg and that idiot who complained to red china about the arizona law. The whole danmed thing is so corrupted by Obama.

  85. The very first part of this video, less than 30 seconds, contains a discussion Obama had after the election with a group which ethnically appears to be arab. He openly states, “I WAS NOT BORN IN HAWAII, I WAS NOT BORN IN THE UNITED STATES. MY HOME COUNTRY IS KENYA” I don’t know how you spin that away or any context it could be put in to mean anything other than what he said.

    Just the first 30 seconds or so are new. The rest is the same stuff everyone else has all heard before:

  86. For anyone thinking Hillary is going to go Third Party, that is not an option. The Clintons plan on retaking what used to be and what is left of the “real” Democratic Party. The self-serving Obama Party will be remembered historically as just a blip on the radar screen. Formally remembered as a failed hostile takeover by a group of corrupt, pompous Chicagoans following deranged globalists malevolent plans straight over a cliff. Back to the Future you see Hillary Clinton reaching out to save her country from the flailing leader, Barack Obama. Who day and night secretly regrets he had never gotten what he wished for… [cue in echoing ‘hahaha’ laughter.]

  87. Hillary should separate herself from the loser O as soon as possible. To take a second position to him would be stupid and I would lose all respect for her.

    The Clintons have the power…they have popularity with the voters….and not just Democrats. I have many Repug friends who wanted to vote for her.

    It is time for them to use that power. The fact that the O camp now wants Hillary to save his ass is an indication of just how much power the Clintons have. I hope they use it for the sake of the country.

  88. California is showing close to 13% unemployment, and Nevada has surpassed Michigan with over 14%. I really did not realize that the unemployment in CA was that bad. I don’t think this bodes well for the financial situation for the state. Also, since it is one of the largest economies, I don’t see how you can recover until CA recovers. I know two people looking for jobs in CA. One has been looking for around 2 – 3 years, the other just a year. the second one finally has a contract for a job at the salary they needed. The first is working for an insurance company on a commission basis after being used to a 6 figure salary.

    Ohio is not in good shape either, but you would think that the President would be paying more attentin to these states that are in such bad shape. Oh, that is right, they are not key to his lame re-election dreams.

    ——————————-
    Admin 1:01
    He would rather sacrifice the relationship than be altered by it.

    ———————————-

    This is the critical Flaw of O’s character. Organizations and people who do not learn and change are history.

  89. DEMS TURN ON OBAMA

    By DICK MORRIS

    June 16, 2010

    To the left, the oil spill is not an index of presidential competence or an issue in the political sphere. It is a daily gushing of poison into the Earth’s waters as a direct result of the president’s failure to stop it. They blame BP. But they already hate oil companies. And they blame Obama, too. And they are coming to dislike him.

    When Obama attempts to recoup this damage to his political base by pushing new legislation on the environment or by resurrecting his cap and trade legislation or by bringing criminal charges against BP or by setting up a liability fund for the spill’s victims, it does not solve his political problem. With each day, 60,000 gallons gush into the Gulf, Obama’s equivalent of the body count in Iraq that caused the left to loathe George W. Bush. Rhetoric or programs or visits to the Gulf or posturing won’t assuage the negatives. Only plugging the hole in the bottom of the ocean can do it.

    The right and center of American politics turned off Obama over health care. And now the left is leaving him over the oil spill.

    Why can’t Obama plug the hole?

    Because he has no administrative experience. I often saw Bill Clinton, as governor and as president, call in experts and ask the tough questions when he faced a new disaster. In Arkansas, it was tornadoes or floods or fires. In Washington, it was Oklahoma City. But, each time, he thoroughly familiarized himself with all the technical issues. He took a bath in the science and substance of the hazard and became as knowledgeable as those who had spent a lifetime studying it. So he knew what questions to ask.

    Any CEO or COO or manager has similar experience. But a community organizer, law professor, state senator, US Senator, and president doesn’t have the requisite experience. He doesn’t know not to trust his own bureaucracy. He hasn’t been burned enough to realize that he needs to intervene to waive restrictions, set aside regulations, and open up the process to new solutions. He’s like JFK during the Bay of Pigs. He doesn’t know how to avoid being betrayed by his own bureaucracy and the industry it’s supposed to regulate.

    Why did he not waive the Jones Act (he still hasn’t) to allow foreign vessels to ply our waters to clean up the spill? Not because he was against it. He couldn’t have been against so obvious a course as waiving it. It was likely because nobody told him about it and he never knew to ask.

    Why did he let the bureaucracy use only US contractors to dredge the Gulf and build the berms that Louisiana wanted? Why did he spurn the offer of Dutch assistance (half the country has been dredged from the sea and is below sea level)? Not because he wanted the jobs to go to Americans. That would have been an insane consideration in the face of this crisis. it is probably because he never realized that our capacity for dredging needed augmentation. Because he never asked.

    To the right and the center, these failings show that Obama is in over his head. But to the left, which bleeds for each drop of water in the Gulf and cries over every turtle or shrimp or sea bird, it is an unpardonable sin.

    It is the nature of things that presidential mistakes metastasize into presidential character flaws. Bush’s inaction over Katrina comes across as insensitivity. Now Obama’s incompetence and inexperience is causing liberals to see him as arrogant, aloof, removed, conceited, suspicious of outside advice, and even lazy. Long after the oil has stopped spilling, these supposed character defects will haunt the president, just as Carter’s reputation of timidity and inability lasted long after the Iran hostages came home. These defects will last until 2012 and beyond.

    Go to DickMorris.com to read all of Dick’s columns! __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

  90. Just a couple of points from a casual political observer. (1) It was instantaneously obvious that the Obama administration was trying to divert the heat about this issue from the bumbling Obama to the more respected Hillary Clinton; (2) the one comment from her that immediately stood out was her wording…to the effect that this was his decision and he was going to be directing the effort. As far as I am concerned she gave no personal endorsement to these actions at all. (3) This talk of Hillary & Biden exchanging positions is another attempt by these scoundrels (that is the nicest word I can think of) to neutralize her.

    My big question has been since 2007 and still is….what are these people so afraid of? Are they going to lose some of their status and power? Are they going to have play by the rules? Are they going to have to tell the truth? Are they going to have to quit playing adolescent games that even casual political observers from hicksville can see right throw?

  91. TheRealist
    June 19th, 2010 at 9:51 am
    June 18, 2010
    U.S. Voters Split on Obama Re-Election in 2012
    Little change seen since March on this measure
    by Frank Newport

    PRINCETON, NJ — U.S. registered voters remain split on whether President Obama deserves to be re-elected in 2012, with 46% saying he does and 51% saying he does not…”

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/140810/Voters-Split-Obama-Election-2012.aspx
    ____________________________________

    That poll has to be an absolute fabrication. There is no way 46% of the voting public believes he deserves to be reelected. NO WAY.

  92. Dick Morris is trying desperately to rekindle his former self, sans the toe sucking incident, as the wishful revisitation of a Clinton Shaman.

    Whether the wounds inflicted by Morris on the Clintons can ever be healed, he certainly has made a good living off of pithy book sales with any title including the Clinton brand.

    But his weekly analysis of both Clintons is usually dead on. And the reason I look forward to reading his latest insights.

  93. I honestly don’t understand why making Hillary V.P. would help obama. The man is damaged goods. So much so, that I don’t think anyone can save him now. Of course he can bribe and cheat his way into a second term, but I don’t think being potus was all that he hoped it would be in the first place…so does he even want a second term? And would any Hillary lover vote for this change?

    And as potus, the buck would still stop with him. Why on earth would she agree? Personally, I think a move like this would only make things worse.

  94. Sorry to hit you again this morning with Morris, but he is firing for effect. Here the subject is Obama the incompetent. Interestingly, someone was saying that he and that sell out artist O’Reilly were praising the way WJC would handle a crisis which is to say competently vs how Mr. Obama mishandles one. One thing I do not doubt, that no one who lives in the same world as most of us can doubt, is that if Hillary were president, this crisis would have been managed in a competent manner. That much is a given. She knows from experience how to manage the bureaucracy, and she made that argument to the deaf and dumb electorate during the debates. Now we see the real world effects. I have a friend who knows the real score, Mrs. Smith and Confloyd know who I mean, and she believes that apart from all the incompetence we saw from him in this matter, there was also an ulterior motive in play namely to use this criis as a pretext for cap and trade which is the numero uno priority of Soros. Would the Kenyan born high minded messiah destroy the village to save it. To quote a credible source: you betcha.

  95. OBAMA: AN INCOMPETENT EXECUTIVE

    By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

    Published on DickMorris.com on June 14, 2010

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    Contrary to what the Constitution says, the president does not run the executive branch of the federal government. It runs itself. Following Newton’s Laws of Motion, it is “a body in motion that tends to remain in motion in the same direction and at the same speed unless acted upon by an outside force.” The bureaucracy keeps doing what it is programmed to do unless someone intervenes.

    And that intervention is the proper job of the president. He has to step in, ask the right questions, get inside and outside advice, and decide how to intervene to move the bureaucracy one way or the other. President Clinton had an excellent sense of how to do this and when to get involved. President Obama does not.

    When the spill started, he and his campaign staff – now transplanted to the White House – reacted the way a Senator or a candidate would, blaming British Petroleum, framing an issue against the oil company, and holding it accountable. But what he needed to do was to review the plans for coping with the disaster and intervene to move the bureaucracy in untraditional but more appropriate directions. Instead, he let business as usual and inertia move the process.

    The president’s tardy requests for international assistance and his government’s bureaucratic response to their offers demonstrates his lack of command and control. The Washington Post reports that the Obama Administration initially “saw no need to accept offers of state-of-the-art skimmers, miles of boom or technical assistance from nations around the globe with experience fighting oil spills.” Arrogantly, State Department spokesman Gordon Duguid told reporters on May 19th “we’ll let BP decide what expertise they do need.”

    Two weeks after the spill started, the State Department and the Coast Guard sought to figure out what aid they could use from abroad. On May 5th, the Department reported that thirteen international offers of aid had been tendered and the government would decide which to accept “in the next two days.” Two weeks later, it said that it did not need any of them.
    Now, when it is too late, the U.S. has finally accepted Canada’s offer of 10,000 feet of boom. In late May it took 14,000 feet from Mexico, two skimmers from Mexico, and skimming systems from Norway and the Netherlands. Too little too late.
    Why didn’t the Administration act sooner?

    Bureaucratic obstacles stopped it and the president was not involved or active enough to sweep them aside.

    Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr Christopher T. O’Neil said that “all qualifying offers of assistance have been accepted.” But this bureaucratic-speak did not mention that the Jones Act – an isolationist law passed in the 1920s that requires vessels working in American waters to be built and crewed by Americans – disqualified many of the offers of assistance. But Obama could have waived the Jones Act whenever he wanted to.

    A Norwegian offer of a chemical dispersant was rejected by the EPA – more bureaucracy.

    When Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal sought to create sand berms to keep oil away from the coastline, the Washington Post reported that he reached out to “the marine contractor Van Oord and the research institute Deltares…BP pledged $360 million for the plan, but U.S. dredging companies – which have less than one-fifth the capacity of Dutch dredging firms — objected to foreign companies’ participation.”

    An activist, involved chief executive would have swept aside these impediments and demanded immediate action. He would have ridden roughshod over bureaucratic and political objections and gotten the cleanup underway.

    But this president is no executive. He is a legislator – he is now pushing new environmental legislation. He is a lawyer – his Attorney General is investigating criminal charges against BP. He is a populist – he is quick to blame BP. He is a big spender – he wants a fund to pay the spill’s victims. He is all of these things. But he is no chief executive and that, unfortunately, is the job he was elected to do.

  96. Newbie
    June 19th, 2010 at 10:03 am
    Just a couple of points from a casual political observer. (1) It was instantaneously obvious that the Obama administration was trying to divert the heat about this issue from the bumbling Obama to the more respected Hillary Clinton; (2) the one comment from her that immediately stood out was her wording…to the effect that this was his decision and he was going to be directing the effort. As far as I am concerned she gave no personal endorsement to these actions at all. (3) This talk of Hillary & Biden exchanging positions is another attempt by these scoundrels (that is the nicest word I can think of) to neutralize her.
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    These are excellent points. They help relieve the pit in my stomach. We two years beyond the point where Malox does any good.

  97. Newbie, I am not sure I know the answer to that, but of course the status and power are a big part of it. For other it is a click, a social group that they have played in since childhood, and they would lose all their friends if they went against the group. My small venture into the Dim party taught me that I could not play those games, and after a while I detested being around them. Even now I see major players in that group behind the LTG running for office. The powers that be have finally told them to to support, and even if there were a proven murder, they would support them.

    My soul is worth more than that.

  98. I honestly don’t understand why making Hillary V.P. would help obama. The man is damaged goods. So much so, that I don’t think anyone can save him now. Of course he can bribe and cheat his way into a second term, but I don’t think being potus was all that he hoped it would be in the first place…so does he even want a second term? And would any Hillary lover vote for this change?

    And as potus, the buck would still stop with him. Why on earth would she agree? Personally, I think a move like this would only make things worse.
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    Allow me to play devils advocate:

    Q-1: how would making her vp help Obama?

    A-1: she does the work he gets the credit. His handlers will make sure of that. Also it innoculates him against charges of inexperience. Also, it prevents her from primaryinng him in 2012. Finally, it gives him someone competent to delegate the heavy lifting to.

    Q-2: why would she agree to it?

    A-2: her path to the presidency is through the superdelegates and if that path has been blocked by rules changes then this may be the last best hope. I think it is a vain hope. However vice presidency would be the highest position a woman has ever achieved, and that would be a feather in her cap. Also, it would be the secret handshake from the elites ranging from Gelb and his conies on the Council of Foreign Relations to the creme of the Washington press corp presided over by Ben Bradley’s whore, the great horizontal.

    Comment: the first thing you learn when you go to sea is if the ship you are on is going down, swim as far away from it as possible because when it disappears below the waterline it will suck everyone on board and all those withing a certain perimeter under and they will all drown.

  99. My soul is worth more than that
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    Yes indeed. There are too many Pontius Pilots in both parties.

  100. That poll has to be an absolute fabrication. There is no way 46% of the voting public believes he deserves to be reelected. NO WAY.
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    Correct. Gallup is a sloppy pollster with a built in bias for Obama. That bias is less blatant that it is with Zogby whose brother works for Obama, but it is clear, present and outcome determinative.

  101. After reading this post I put in my weekly call to urge Amy Klobuchar to resign. A little early yes but this time I asked her to look over the past year and a half (I can’t believe it has only been a year and a half) and admit the truth – Obama needs to retire with her. I asked her to make a strongly worded appeal for him join her in retirement. Oh, and in addition I asked her if, after the first gulf hurricane, when MN gets those, used to be exotic southern breezes but now will be a benzene laden poison wind, will she along with all her children and other family members go down and stand along the MN – Iowa border and take it in the face before any of the rest of us have to. I think she should, along with Betty McCullum and all the idiots who voted this catastrophe into office. Maybe they can soak it all up before it gets to us.

    And just because I am so pissed off, I want to remind everyone of Obama’s assend being shoved into our faces while he bowed to the Saudi prince – a prescient moment if there ever was one. And oh yeah, when he and Michelle pushed the Duke of Edinburgh aside to get on either side and put their arms around the Queen of England for a photo op. First one makes me profoundly angry and the second one makes me cringe.

  102. Obama lover Casey needs to run out of office with pitchforks. Get a load of this one.
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    After spending millions of dollars to get Barack Obama and their liberal allies in Congress elected, Big Labor Unions are now poised to become the beneficiaries of a 165 billion dollar taxpayer-funded bailout.

    You read that right.

    Ignoring the widespread public anger over bailouts for the financial sector… bailouts for the auto industry… and their failed “stimulus” scheme, Congress is now considering a bailout for Big Labor.

    Specifically, Senator Robert Casey (D-PA) recently introduced legislation euphemistically called the “Create Jobs and Save Benefits Act” (S. 3157), which puts U.S. taxpayers on the hook for guaranteeing poorly and improperly managed Labor Union pension plans.

    And if Senetor Casey gets his way, we taxpayers will be stuck with a 165 billion dollar tab, or more. In fact, according to some reports, 165 billion dollars is just the initial cost. Eventual taxpayer liability is potentially unlimited as pension benefits must be paid for life.

    As the editors of the Wall Street Journal recently put it: “They [Union chiefs] are now counting on Mr. Casey to preserve their power by making taxpayers pick up the tab for years of pension mismanagement. With the union priority of ‘card check’ stalled, word is that the Casey bailout is Big Labor’s consolation prize. Taxpayers should let Congress know they don’t want to pay.”

    And that’s exactly what we must do. This legislation must never see the light of day. It’s time for patriotic Americans to rise up and say to Congress, in no uncertain terms, enough is enough. No bailouts for Big Labor… No more bailouts, period.

  103. The -20 is the lowest I’ve seen

    Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
    Saturday, June 19, 2010 Email to a Friend ShareThis.Advertisement

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 25% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-five percent (45%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -20 (see trends).

  104. Hah. Hah. That’s going to be my new motto, for use whenever the bots and the state media try to change the subject away from Omaba’s failure and massive Democrat defeats in November:

    “Let’s stick to Kyrgyzstan”

    Perfect!

  105. Carol
    June 19th, 2010 at 11:43 am
    The -20 is the lowest I’ve seen

    Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
    Saturday, June 19, 2010 Email to a Friend ShareThis.Advertisement

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 25% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-five percent (45%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -20 (see trends).
    ________________________
    No, he had a -21 yesterday.

  106. His low water mark on that Rasmussen index was -22 points. He has, however, had a very bad week in Rasmussen’s polling. His “disapproave” and “strongly disapprove” both shot up to new highs. He’s lost the “approve” bounce he got from the lefties after the mandatory health insurance bill was rammed through. His “strongly disapprove” numbers have been higher than his “approve” numbers all week, which is not a good place to be.

    All the sudden Clinton talk is just another attempt by the rumpswab, ballwasher media to gin up a little approval for the regime. Let’s stick to Kyrgyzstan!

  107. IMO, Hillary Clinton has to proceed with extreme caution right now as far as her career in public service. This is because the GOP cannot be trusted any more than the Obama-ites can, probably less so.

    If the Democrats retain the Legislature in 2010, then HRC could proceed to look at the VP position which could eventually lead to her heading the Executive as President. But if the GOP takes over then she should stay away – I strongly suspect that even now an ARKANSAS PROJECT NO 2 is underway, finding trivial slips by HRC & WJC to exploit with the MSM waiting right behind eager to help.

    With a GOP legislature you will soon find HRC & WJC the victim of special prosecutors, indictments, trials, etc.

    The threat of the Clintons is in how well they actualize the vision of the Democratic Party. I do not doubt that the GOP will marshall all their formidable resources to stop that, just as they have in the past.

  108. blowme0bama
    June 19th, 2010 at 8:12 am
    The very first part of this video, less than 30 seconds, contains a discussion Obama had after the election with a group which ethnically appears to be arab. He openly states, “I WAS NOT BORN IN HAWAII, I WAS NOT BORN IN THE UNITED STATES. MY HOME COUNTRY IS KENYA” I don’t know how you spin that away or any context it could be put in to mean anything other than what he said.

    Just the first 30 seconds or so are new. The rest is the same stuff everyone else has all heard before:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded#!
    _____________________________________________

    I followed through the source of the first portion of the clip I linked and it is to a PARODY site named “obamasnippets.com”. It is merely a clever editing job. Disappointed, but it does not represent a “GOTCHA!” event.

  109. There are TWO tropical storms off the coast of Mexico….OMG…one is named Celia…this name was used in 1970 and it was the one that almost killed me and it destroyed much of Corpus Christi, Texas.

    Well, the only reason I could say where it might be beneficial for her to VP is if she takes it within a few weeks and he assigns her to manage the oil spill. She would be great at it and then he could resign after midterms and she could assend to the Presidency and have time to launch a run for 2012′. This would be the only way and I believe Sally Quinn gave a hint to this if you listen carefully.

    If just one of these storms come in…his ass will be impeached…we also do not know what is going down with the Blago trial…his name has been in the mix everyday…He did make a run to Chicago just before the start of the trial and someone tried to get a delay which was not granted. He’s toast and he is also tired of the job.

    Just on Fox…Obama went to a baseball game and someone (I didnot catch who it was) asked how he could be at a game when all this oil is leaking into the Gulf.

  110. If she’s going to run in 2012′, then she needs two full years to try and fix a few things before the election because at this point I doubt any democrat, even Hillary, can get elected.

  111. confloyd
    June 19th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    There are TWO tropical storms off the coast of Mexico….OMG…one is named Celia…this name was used in 1970 and it was the one that almost killed me and it destroyed much of Corpus Christi, Texas.
    _____________________________________

    Those two are in the Pacific heading west. It is extremely rare for a Pacific storm to cross over central America and regenerate in the Gulf.

    However, there IS a tropical wave south of the Dominican Republic right now that has the potential to generate into something. Modeling puts it somewhere around the Yucatan Channel in the Wednesday to Thursday time frame.

    Some models show it strengthening. Models are very, very poor at any time frame beyond 36 hours, however, so there’s no present need for anyone to worry about it until and unless it gets into the Gulf.

  112. Good info about Obama’s mess with foreign oil help, which Morris credits to WP. Does anyone have a link handy to the WP article itself?

  113. blowme…thanks I just caught the tail end of that report on CNN. It is worrisome about the other one though.

  114. Potus went to a ballgame yesterday….seems according to Mark Halperin, he sang “take me out to the ballgame” while drinking beer. Gee, if Tony Hayward get a snub for going to a yacht race during fathers day weekend, the Obama needs a “shout out” for going to a ballgame and drinking beer.
    Meanwhile the dolphins are dying…hope they all have a happy Fathers Day!

  115. Mental health professionals needed: call Joan Walsh ASAP.

    Joan Walsh has a column up called “Barack Obama’s Good Week”.

    http://www.salon.com/news/politics/barack_obama/index.html?story=/opinion/walsh/politics/2010/06/18/obama_good_week

    Walsh’s argument is that aside from that speech Obama had a good week due to the escrow fund, Barton, and Hayward. This is another example of the Lincoln at Ford’s theater joke “aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?”

  116. Oh my gosh…they try their best to find anything, anything at all to prop him up…ridiculous!

  117. Clinton gives Father’s Day shout-out to dads, including Bill

    Elise Labott
    June 18, 2010

    Washington (CNN) — Secretary of State Hillary Clinton saluted State Department daddies on Friday with a “Happy Father’s Day” message.

    In an e-mail sent out to employees, Clinton sympathized with parents who are working hard to balance work and family, giving a shout out to her husband, former President Bill Clinton.

    “You give everything you have to your country — and you give even more to your family,” Clinton wrote to her employees. “I happen to know one Father-of-the-Bride who’s managed to lose almost 15 pounds to look good for his daughter on her big day. ”

    The Clintons’ daughter, Chelsea, is expected to marry her longtime boyfriend, banker Marc Mezvinsky, this summer. Bill Clinton told reporters Chelsea asked him to lose the weight before her wedding.

    Echoing a promise she made to employees on Mother’s Day, the secretary reiterated her commitment to implement polices at the State Department to allow parents of newborns and newly-adopted children to take paid leave. Currently the federal government doesn’t provide paid maternity leave.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/06/18/clinton.fathers.day/

  118. Indeed. Good grief. Somebody needs to investigate this White Hut scam of paying propogandists. I find it hard to believe these people are that dimwitted.

  119. Where in the world will Chelsea wed? And who’s invited?

    By Doree Shafrir
    Jun 18, 2010

    The wedding of former First Daughter Chelsea Clinton to investment banker Marc Mezvinsky is this summer’s ultimate status invitation. There will be only 400 names on the guest list, a good size for a wedding by ordinary standards, but barely big enough to accommodate the people who slept in the Lincoln Bedroom during Bill Clinton’s presidency. So planning it has been a diplomatic problem of the highest order. “Donors are expecting to be invited,” says a major Clinton fund-raiser. Then there are the campaign, State Department, and Clinton Foundation staff, plus foreign dignitaries and both Clinton and Obama White House officials. These complexities, say bride-side sources, are one reason why Chelsea has instituted a strict no-strangers policy: She must personally know every invitee. (Of course, it’s also a way of giving her parents an out for donors who don’t make the cut.)

    The secrecy has seemed more reminiscent of a giant military operation than a wedding. Early speculation was that it would be held on Martha’s Vineyard, but more recently sources have confirmed that the nuptials will be held on July 31 in a still-secret location within a three-hour drive of New York City. “The wedding planner will contact each guest directly a week in advance and let them know where it is,” says the fund-raiser, who speculated that the Hamptons are out because the L.I.E. can be a very long road. The smart money, then, is somewhere upstate, possibly in Westchester or Dutchess County—most likely on property owned by a Clinton supporter. “You really see who their closest friends are in this list,” says an insider. “It’s not a celebrity-driven wedding.”

    So just who does that mean? Longtime Friend of Bill and former DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe, who grew up in Syracuse, is said to be “very involved” in the selection of the location, according to one insider. Other invitees include Bill Clinton’s special assistant Doug Band, former White House social secretary Capricia Marshall, and top Hillary Clinton aide and former traveling chief of staff Huma Abedin. Probably not on the guest list, according to this source: Bill’s buddy Ron Burkle.

    Most of the planning is falling on the shoulders of Massachusetts event planner Bryan Rafanelli, who has been Hillary Clinton’s go-to guy for Boston-area fund-raisers; he first donated to her Senate campaign in 1999, and according to prominent Boston philanthropist Barbara Lee, Rafanelli’s first Hillary event was a luncheon in 2001. During her presidential campaign, Rafanelli was an important bundler for her, earning the “Hill-raiser” designation for gathering over $100,000. Rafanelli’s partner, Mark Walsh, was Hillary’s adviser for LGBT outreach during her campaign as well. Rafanelli is a Bay State wedding force: He was responsible for Red Sox owner John Henry’s 2009 wedding, which took place on Henry’s 164-foot yacht, followed by a reception in Fenway Park with a performance by Maroon 5.

    Adding to the complexity of Rafanelli’s labors, he’s also planning the August marriage of Congressman Anthony Weiner to Abedin. While information about these nuptials does not seem quite as classified, all that is known about the venue thus far is “somewhere in New York.” But before that, the future Mr. and Mrs. Weiner will be hosted by the Clintons at a party in Washington on June 29.

    http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/66792/

  120. No one listens to him. They just smile and think of something else while he talks.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/19/merkel-says-eu-will-swiftly-end-stimulus-programs-focus-on-debt/

    Yesterday, Barack Obama implored the EU to continue down the path of government spending and borrowing in order to keep Western economies afloat. Today, Obama got his answer from German Chancellor Angela Merkel in the form of a rebuke. The upcoming G-20 conference will sharply change economic policy direction for the EU, which intends to stop its Keynesian public-spending projects and start repairing its critical debt situation instead:

    Europe will push for a swift exit from fiscal stimulus programs and a focus on budget consolidation at the G20 meeting next week, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Saturday.

    “European participants are of the opinion that this is urgently necessary to prevent such crises from happening again in the future,” Merkel said in her weekly podcast. …

    Merkel’s stance contrasted with that of U.S. President Barack Obama, who this week said public finance problems should be addressed “in the medium term” — a warning that clamping down budgets should not be done at the expense of recovery.

    European governments have been launching austerity measures to head off a spread of the debt crisis begun in Greece.

    EU leaders got a look into the abyss this year with the near-collapse of Greece. Had that cancer spread throughout the Continent, it would have touched off a global financial crisis that would have been worse than the first shock in 2008 when the US housing bubble popped. With its debt well above its annual GDP, Greece had no way of shoring itself up without substantial assistance from its EU partners, who began looking at their own balance sheets and wondering which nations would be next to go. That was enough to cure Europe of its Keynesian impulses, at least for now.

    It’s a strong rebuff to Obama, who explicitly asked the EU to continue its stimulus spending despite the debt issue in the US reaching a critical stage. It puts the Obama administration to the left of Europe on economic policy, never a comfortable political position in the US. With the Europeans abandoning big-spending programs in order to start whittling down the massive debt piled up from decades of social spending and weak economic growth, there will be less enthusiasm for continuing to ignore the American national debt in favor of make-work projects in the US that has done little to lift the economy here.

    Furthermore, the divide threatens to weaken American economic leadership in the G-20 if Obama insists on pursuing big-spending programs and increasing American debt. Europe will see that as a sign that the US has not learned any lessons from the Greece failure, and that the Obama administration wants to follow the Greeks into collapse. We’re becoming a bad bet, and the EU knows what that looks like.

  121. But if the GOP takes over then she should stay away – I strongly suspect that even now an ARKANSAS PROJECT NO 2 is underway, finding trivial slips by HRC & WJC to exploit with the MSM waiting right behind eager to help.

    Good point, Flight of Stairs.

  122. admin
    June 19th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
    No one listens to him. They just smile and think of something else while he talks.

    Can’t say what Merkel is thinking, but Sarkozy is planning his evening with his wife……

    I wonder if the Obots are brave enough to respond to this on the Sunday talk shows. I’m curious to see what the NBC folks have to say about this insult to the lightbringer….

  123. With a GOP legislature you will soon find HRC & WJC the victim of special prosecutors, indictments, trials, etc.
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    If the GOP takes over congress, then Obama will be their target. He is a perfect target given what he has done. Bill and Hillary are not primary targets at this point. If the GOP is smart, then they will focus what firepower they have (which is two squirt guns) on Obama. There is no basis for special prosecutors or indictments now so far as they are concerned. Or at least none that I can see. This will be an Obama roast.

  124. Why should the fatcats among the GOP bother prosecuting Obama, any more than they bothered running a real campaign against him in 2008? He’s a useful tool of corporatism.

    If Hillary got back in power here, the fatcats would have motive for attacking her, because she’d be doing worthwhile things they don’t want. As long as she’s out of the country preventing WWIII, they’ll let her alone.

    Of course lower levels of the GOP and the media might have some fun and sell some papers biting Obama’s ankles. But I don’t think they really want to get rid of him. Some real Dem might take power….

  125. Hillary as Obama’s Vice President? GMAFB.

    First off — I seem to recall Big Media attacking Hillary for being too much of a Co-President during Bill Clinton’s Presidency. Sally Bedell Smith’s 2007 Vanity Fair piece, for instance, comes to mind — where it was complained that VP Gore had to take a back seat to Hillary, who was widely regarded/derided as Bill Clinton’s closer, his Supreme Court.

    Well, I now turn that insult against Hillary on its head, and instead….into a compliment: Why would Hillary want to be Obama’s VP, when she was already Co-President of the most successful Presidency of the last 40 years?? Hillary’s already been there, done that…and done it better than she would with Bamboozler Bambi.

    Two — it is just like Big Media to expect Hillary to throw herself on the sword for Obama. They’ve never had her best interests at heart because if they did….they would never expect this kind of martyrdom from her (and martyrdom it would be — have of any these fools like Quinn looked at the state of the Obama Pretendency?!! It’s enough to send even the most loyal Dem running for the Hills.)

    No, I don’t expect Hillary to be a martyr, and these morons in the media shouldn’t either. I don’t care how much all these Big Blog Boys cry for their Mommy to come help them, don’t save these idiots Hillary.

  126. Fifth Dimension
    June 19th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    Hillary as Obama’s Vice President? GMAFB.

    ========================

    I agree! But the fact is, that in summer of 2008 after suspending her own campaign, Hillary said loud and clear that if Obama asked her to be his VP, she would do it.
    (NY Magazine interview, iirc, and elsewhere)

  127. #
    admin
    June 19th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Mental health professionals needed: call Joan Walsh ASAP.

    Joan Walsh has a column up called “Barack Obama’s Good Week”.

    http://www.salon.com/news/politics/barack_obama/index.html?story=/opinion/walsh/politics/2010/06/18/obama_good_week

    Walsh’s argument is that aside from that speech Obama had a good week due to the escrow fund, Barton, and Hayward. This is another example of the Lincoln at Ford’s theater joke “aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?”

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    Wow, I had no idea admin how much Joan Walsh has really jumped the shark.

    I was more or less neutral on Joan for a little while, especially after she wrote about how Tim Russert and others in Big Media plotted against the Clintons (wanna-be frat boy/but in reality dweeb of the lowest order Russert’s rendition of “Who let the dogs out” comes to mind)…..but seeing Joan now…the only conclusion I can come to is that the day-in and day-out mental gymnastics she and other ‘reporters’ have to go through in order to explain away O’s incompetence, must finally be fraying their minds.

    They should watch themselves though — if you engage in this much delusion, sooner or later, your brain will turn to mush!

  128. turndownobama
    June 19th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    I agree! But the fact is, that in summer of 2008 after suspending her own campaign, Hillary said loud and clear that if Obama asked her to be his VP, she would do it.
    (NY Magazine interview, iirc, and elsewhere)

    Good point, turndown…but then, I also think, what else could Hillary have said at the time? She has always been too much of a team player, loyal to the Dems, to not say something like this.

    I would point though, that 2008 is not 2010. IMO, Obama’s opportunity for ‘magnanimit’ has long passed — he should have asked Hillary to be VP in summer 2008…not now, when it’s so obvious that the only reason it’s even being discussed is because he needs her. In fact, the fact that he didn’t ask her then, revealed to me what was really in his heart. Those who truly have love in their heart, they lead and give without hesitation, because they are secure and grounded enough in themselves to do so. I have seen this beauty in Hillary Clinton.

    But when it came to Obama, I only saw manipulation and self-absorption in his motivations/actions. He couldn’t bring himself to ask Hillary to be VP, because he had to have known on some unconscious level, that she would outshine him.

    He gave into his narcissism, at the expense of the party and the country. People like that then, I’m sorry to say, don’t deserve help, imo. You can’t help someone who didn’t help themselves…especially when they had the circumstance and opportunity to do so of their own volition.

  129. TurnDownObama, in 2008 the B.O.T.s were looking for anything to attack Hillary with. If Hillary said anything even slightly off kilter they would have continued the attacks. She has been quoted as saying that no matter how much she did, she knew she would be an object of blame. You will recall that Hillary submitted documentation when asked to do so during the vp search. But you may also recall that the documentation requested was pro forma stuff and not in any way a serious document search or vetting. That lack of serious vetting was a sore point at the time.

    Obama wanted to put Hillary in repeated and humiliating tight spots, and he did, but she wiggled out of all of them. Now Obama needs Hillary completely and Hillary does not need Obama at all. Hillary has built in reasons to leave (weddings, hang with Mom and Bill, maybe a little grandchild will make an appearance) and Obama knows it. At some point Hillary will do Obama a final service and serve him a cold plate of payback.

  130. We checked to see what we wrote on the day it became known Hillary would not be the VP:

    http://www.hillaryis44.org/2008/08/24/say-it-aint-so-bo/

    ANNCR: She won millions of votes.
    But isn’t on his ticket.
    Why?
    For speaking the truth.

    On his plans:

    HILLARY CLINTON: “You never hear the specifics.”

    ANNCR: On the Rezko scandal:

    HILLARY CLINTON: “We still don’t have a lot of answers about Senator
    Obama.”

    ANNCR: On his attacks:

    HILLARY CLINTON: “Senator Obama’s campaign has become increasingly
    negative.”

    ANNCR: The truth hurt.
    And Obama didn’t like it.

  131. I will be excited the day she gives him back what he dished out!

    People seem to use the Clinton’s to further themselves, then turn on them….theres lots of bad folks out there.

  132. “Obama wanted to put Hillary in repeated and humiliating tight spots, and he did, but she wiggled out of all of them. Now Obama needs Hillary completely and Hillary does not need Obama at all.”

    —————-

    Bravo admin! Your posts continue to push the envelope. This is the one place I trust to tell us the truth and you always give it to us in spades.

  133. Not to disagree with anyone. But Hillary could have turned down VP in 2008; plenty of other top Dems did. Biden was found at the bottom of the butt of, er, the barrel.

    I’m sure she didn’t want VP (didn’t she say so?) but would have taken it as duty, if asked by the party. Presumably to help Obama’s ticket then. Even though the alternative was very attractive to her: back home to ‘Senator from NY.’

    Now it might be an easier job than flying around as SOS. And there’s the line of succession….

  134. I think the only way Hillary would consent to be VP is if she’s set on running in 2016. Otherwise, there’s no point. Otherwise, why would she want to hold a job where she has no power, except what the president gives her?

    I agree with Fifth Dimension. How typical of the MSM to expect Hillary to save Obama’s presidency because she’s proven to be a “team player.” Weren’t they just telling us two years ago she was anything but that?

  135. Nancy Pelosi’s taxpayer-funded, exorbitantly expensive, eco-friendly office space

    By: Anna Dorminey
    Special to The Examiner
    06/19/10

    Everyone knows the high cost of living in Washington, D.C. Everything is expensive here. Including, it would seem, the taste of the public servants who sit on Capitol Hill.

    For example, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., recently moved into a new district office, located in the San Francisco Federal Building. All sorts of reasons were cited for the move—she’d been in the old office for twenty years; the new office’s location is more accessible for her constituents; she needed more space; the new office is in a “green” building.

    These explanations seem reasonable, until you find out how much she’s paying for them. Aside from the impulse I felt to grumble about career politicians and the actual value of “green features,” my jaw dropped when I saw that Speaker Pelosi is paying $18,736 a month for her lovely new workspace.

    Now, it’s tempting to shrug and chalk that number up to the cost of living in a large city. While it’s true that rent in an urban center like San Francisco is bound to be high, the bill for her previous office (also located in San Francisco) was about a quarter of what she’ll be paying for the new one.

    Futhermore, Speaker Pelosi’s rent is almost double what anyone else is paying. That’s including Members of Congress whose offices are situated in arguably pricier locales. Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., pays $10,600 a month for his district office, located in Manhattan’s upscale SoHo neighborhood. Rep. Diane Watson, D-Calif., whose office is in Los Angeles, pays even less—only $9,055 a month. And if you’re curious about offices in small towns, rent for the office Rep. Sanford Bishop, D-Ga., keeps in Albany, Ga. is $2,092 a month.

    Now, no one’s asking Speaker Pelosi to find something this inexpensive in San Francisco, but by moving into her new office, she quadrupled her rent. Simply put, space is available at a reasonable cost. But evidently, her taste is expensive, and she has the resources at hand to accommodate it. Each Member has a Representational Allowance at his or her disposal, to cover the cost of rent, transportation, and supplies and materials associated with the position. Another good use for this allowance is the cost of communication with constituents—for example, town hall meetings. Speaker Pelosi is completely out of touch with the rest of the nation. A few town hall meetings with regular folks would probably do her good. So why is she blowing dough on fabulous offices, instead?

    The issue at hand is that Nancy Pelosi is supposed to be a leader. She is the master and commander of 434 Members of Congress. It’s bad enough that pork barrel spending and scores of useless, inefficient government programs have cost the public purse what they have, but for the Speaker of the House of Representatives to set the wasteful example that she has is positively disgraceful.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Nancy-Pelosis-taxpayer-funded-exorbitantly-expensive-eco-friendly-office-space-96682864.html

  136. So tell me, we don’t pay for all those extra offices in these towns they represent??? Please tell me this isn’t the way it works.

  137. Confloyd,

    Yes, we pay for office space. Congress people need offices for their staff.

    I don’t have a problem with Nancy’s office space. Nadler isn’t the speaker of the house and I doubt that New York is more expensive than San Francisco. I live in LA, and I can tell you that office space in LA is considerably more reasonable than office space in SF.

    No one complains about how much Republicans spend on their office space. This only seems to be a problem for Democrats.

  138. There’s also a fairly high chance that her previous landlord, due to the low rent she was paying, terminated her lease. If they were only getting $4k a month for that space, I guarantee you that they were trying to get rid of her. She’s got a huge amount of traffic coming through which increases wear and tear on the building and there aren’t many good sized office available in SF for that kind of price.

  139. I don’t have a problem with Nancy’s office space.

    I do. Last I checked, the United States was $13 trillion in debt and the Nancy effin’ Pelosi won’t even discuss passing a budget. I think she can be reasonably expected to tighten her belt.

  140. basement angel, I just didn’t realize that the taxpayer pays for all these offices…that’s a lot of money…its seems they never count up the perks these folks get while in office…I’m sure singlehandedly Nancy keeps up on foreign oil. LOL!

  141. This alone has to be a huge expenditure….and the sad thing is we pay for it and we have no say so on what/how our government is run…the lobbiests run D.C. THe american people are the ones asked to tighten out belts according to SOros…wonder why we can’t start at the top….you know “trickle down”.

  142. Sorry, but I didn’t know that, I would have expected the state to pay for it, not the fed…oh well I never did like government/civics class. Guess you guys figured that out? LOL!

    I am new to the ways of cheating the taxpayers.

  143. I don’t know if any of you are following this, but I was just reading an article from across the pond (guardian.co.uk) about how the West is ‘ignoring’ the Kyrgyzstan situation.

    I decided then, out of curiosity, to see if Hillary had said or done anything about this yet. Here is what I found:

    Hillary has already committed $33 million of US money, as well as giving the Red Cross/Red Crescent $6.5 million for relief efforts through their channels. The State Department’s USAID agency will also be distributing funds to help alleviate the matter.

    Hillary is also lobbying UN members to send an additional $70 million in relief money, spoke with the Kyrgyz president on Wednesday of last week on possible solutions to the problem (the Kyrgyz President didn’t think a peacekeeping force was necessary as of right now), and Hillary has also already sent two of her Assistant Secretary of States who were in Kyrgyzstan on Friday to assess the problem firsthand. All of this, while the West is supposedly ignoring this matter. (I am curious though as to what Russia’s response to this is — they seem to have more to ‘lose’ than anyone else.)

    In any case, the plan going forward is, as Hillary said on Friday: “work with the international community to try to support the provisional government in bringing about a resumption of order, work with Uzbekistan which has opened its borders to tens of thousand of fleeing Uzbeks, work to get humanitarian aid in as quickly and comprehensively as possible, and then see if you can stabilize the situation.”

    Now, I know that the ‘common’ (if somewhat morbid) knowledge is that this region has been expected to fail. Historians have regarded Kyrgyzstan as turning into a collapsing state for some time now.

    But Hillary’s response in this situation to me is that of a leader. Note the difference between her and Obama here. Her crisis management ideas are full of specifics; they employ tangible objectives so that one arrives at meaningful goals. It is like night and day….and I am amazed by her ability to manage so many of these difficult situations.

  144. hwc,

    The problem isn’t congressional salaries. The problem is two wars and low tax rates on the wealthy.

    Ask the rich to tighten their belt and pay their fair share of our budget and tell the Pentagon that they can do with a lot less, and then asking senators and congressional reps to spend less might be reasonable.

    Right now, it’s just fatuous, meaningless twaddle from people pretending to be outraged. It’s bullshit.

  145. All eyes turn to Hillary. Now Mark Steyn:

    http://article.nationalreview.com/436712/gulf-war-three/mark-steyn?page=2

    Chris Matthews and the other leg-tinglers invented an Obama that doesn’t exist. Unfortunately, they’re stuck with the one that does, and it will be interesting to see whether he’s capable of plugging the leak in his own support. If not, who knows what the tide might wash up?

    Memo to Secretary Rodham Clinton: Do you find yourself of a quiet evening with a strange craving for chicken dinners and county fairs in Iowa and New Hampshire, maybe next summer? Need one of those relaunch books to explain why you’re getting back in the game in your country’s hour of need?

    “It Takes a Spillage.”

  146. Ha! Here’s proof the article is bullshit:

    http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-06-15/bay-area/21910882_1_move-offices-house-speaker-nancy-pelosi-new-officeIn addition to the speaker’s space needs, her new office is also more secure, Hammill added.

    “As speaker, the security needs are different,” he said. “The new San Francisco Federal Building offers enhanced security features, which were a major factor in the decision to move offices.

    That piece of shit article doesn’t even address the security issues and assumes that everyone reading is too stupid to look any further. Just be outraged and don’t ask questions.

    The original Roll Call article even talks about how much more previous Speaker Dennis Hastert paid in the small Illinois town of Dixon, that congressional reps in pricey Chicago suburbs. Again, notice the article didn’t address that:

    Clearly, serving as Speaker carries additional costs. In 2006, when Republican Rep. Dennis Hastert was still Speaker of the House, he paid $4,300 a month for a district office in the little northern Illinois town of Dixon, while Republican Rep. Don Manzullo was paying $2,600 for an office in Rockford — a much larger city about 50 miles away and closer to Chicago — and $2,200 for a second office in Crystal Lake, which is essentially a Chicago suburb. Manzullo has since moved to a smaller, cheaper office in Crystal Lake. Hastert’s two other district offices, combined, cost less than $1,000 a month.

    Last but not least, while the originally posted article mocks the green aspect of the building, what it doesn’t tell you is how much will be saved on power bills – significant in an office building:

    The new federal building is also an award-winning “green” design, “consuming less than half the power of a standard office tower, saving taxpayer funds on utility costs,” Hammill said.

    When Ronald Reagan left office, he promptly rented the top floor of the brand spanking new, and outrageously expensive Fox Tower in Century City. This, even though he was a senile old fuck who spent his time chewing his cud and burning through his Depends. But the tax payers footed the bill without anyone complaining. His friends then bought him a house in Bel Air – Nancy had to have City Council change the street address because the house number was, appropriately, 666. Again, no one complained. Bill Clinton leaves office and picks a similarly lux digs and the right goes ballistic. Terry McAuliffe loans him the money to buy his home, and they go ballistic. This article on Pelosi is the same level of bullshit.

    Don’t let those brain dead, rightwing morons push your buttons. This kind of article, that gleefully skips over the salient facts, and presents, in the most diminished fashion possible, the story of the move is what is wrong with our national discourse. It’s a bullshit article, written by an absolutely worthless human being who has nothing of value to offer. It’s really fucked up.

  147. admin,

    Everyone knows it should have been Clinton. This country relies on Democrats to come in and clean up the mess that the Republicans make, and everyone knows that Obama was never up to the task. He was the same kind of lark that Bush was.

    Sometimes I really do think we need a royal family as a figure head so we don’t pick presidents for such sentimental reasons as we did Reagan, Bush and Obama – the trifecta of suck.

  148. Look I respect my new freinds here at Hillary 44, but I have to say that I do belieev that you are making excuses for her. Why should she choose her words so carefully as not to expose her true thoughts the man that she and her husband both campaigned for is destroying this nation in ways I never would have believed posible.
    Let us not forget that her assistant SOS went to another foriegn country-China, which has zero human rights and belittled the people and laws of Arizona. Lets face it, this America hating craps sells in the liberal party. It is like watching the sixties all over again. America bad, the barbarians good. I’m so sick of it. Why must the Clintons constantly rememind me of Bill’s treasonist pardon of Marc Rich, which Eric Holder helped orchestrat.
    I want a proud conservative woman who is does not put up with a womanizing husband or an anti-American persident.
    I am proud of Sarah Palin and Jan Brewer for doing their jobs and standing up for the safety and liberty of their constituents.
    I truly belive that if Palin had been put int the same position that HRC was put in by her own party in the primary fiasco, Palin would have burned down her party to save the nation. NO ONE among the democrats have the courage to stand up to corupt politicians who have a (D) after their name. Sarah Palin has the record of taking on coruption no matter what party, as did John McCain. The Clintons, well I’m sorry they don’t.

  149. Juliette,

    I have tremendous admiration for the Clintons. Bill was the second best president of the 20th century and I have no problem with his pardon of Marc Rich. There was nothing treasonous about it. The guy paid a $200 million fine for doing same thing that Halliburton did. Also, he had to waive the pardon as protection against being indicted on civil charges rather than the criminal ones that he was nailed with.

    Palin’s okay but she has just a tad more experience than Obama, and the country needs someone who understands economics, global affairs and how to get legislation with teeth passed – and that ain’t Palin.

  150. admin
    Don’t you agree that some of the mess that was made between 2000-2008 was the fault of Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and the racist black congressional caucus’s unconditional defense of Franklin Reigns-Freddie CEO?
    It is true that Bush was happy to take credit for so many new homw owners but the bubble machine was a Soros sponsored democrat led manipulation. Follow the money trail of campaign contributions from Country Wide, AIG, and Goldman Sachs if you doubt Frank and Dodds guilt.
    Plus I can assure you as a long time meber of the world affairs council, Both parties new back in the late 1980’s around when the Isrealis bombed Iraq’s Nuclear power plant, that the US would have to take down Sadam Hussien, like so many dictators who we used as a bulwark and made way to powerful. That is why Nancy Pelosi took impeachment off the table, first thing when she became house speaker. The dems never could have survivied discovery.
    I remember Al Gore screaming about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and attacking W.H. Bush for not finishing the job. Nearly all the dems were saying that.
    I am voting against the Soros funded democrat party. Just do the research on this guy.
    What a sick meglamaniac!

  151. Basement angel
    What are your thoughts on George Soros?
    I voted for Bill Clinton twice but I don’t respect him I he was my last choice in the democrat presidential election.
    Glass-Steagal was repealed under Clinton and Steven Bryer the most anti- anti trust judge was his appointment. So there is alot of guilt to go around.Clinton got to ride the dotcom bubble. He did some good in balancing the budgit and welfare reform. That is why I can’t understand why he still supports Obama’s policy.
    They are all Soros funded. Soros is the big rat.

  152. basementangel….the trifecta of suck…that has to be original, LOL! As a matter of fact, when I found out that the new office space was in the federal building I realized she probably needs more protection as I am sure they all do now…Americans are pist and getting more pist…some just hollar at the TV, but we do not live in a nation where everyone is normal.

    I think they knew all this (even without the catastrophic events) was going to make folks mad. I think its going to get worse.

    I don’t have a problem with taxes paying for those office buildings once I realized its been like this forever.

    Basement, what do you think, is she going to take the VP job soon?

  153. No, Pelosi’s clearly not planning on going anywhere or giving up her Speaker job or she wouldn’t be making this move. She also clearly believes she’ll still have the job come next January.

    I think Biden will stay the VP for the whole term.

    I just have it in my head that Obama isn’t going to run again though I do think he’s trying to find ways to prevent Clinton from taking the nomination.

    But I could be totally out to lunch.

  154. Juliette,

    I don’t share the Soros obsession that a lot of people do. I”m not worried about him. I have friends who send me stuff on him, and I just don’t think he’s the problem.

    The Clintons are strategic. Gramm/Leach/Biley was going to pass without Clinton’s signature. But Clinton chose to protect the Community Reinvestment Act in return for signing the bill. He moved the bill to the left. He protected ordinary people in the inner city with his signature. That’s what the Clintons do – they find ways to protect their goals even in seemingly hostile legislation.

    Clinton brought unemployment down to 3.5%, raised family incomes by $7k a year, presided over a falling crime rate which saw the numbers of young African American men arrested and incarcerated plummet. Only one troop was lost to military ventures he initiated and he generally presided over an era of peace. He raised taxes on the wealthy and balanced the budget all the while creating environment that drove the technology that we have now. He also had the strictest ethics rules of any White House in history, and despite vigorous investigations, had only one staffer convicted corruption charges. For comparison’s sake, Reagan had 28 people convicted on corruption charges. Last but not least, the number of Americans, both civilian and military, here and abroad, that died from foreign terrorism dropped from 400+ of the Reagan/Bush years to fewer than 80 in eight years.

    He didn’t get everything right, and he admits to it. He was talking about Haiti the other day and how we encouraged them to grow food for export rather than sustenance, and how that was terrible for them, and how he encouraged them as well. He’s upfront that NAFTA has not worked out as he thought it would either.

    But by the standards that I judge a president, he has few peers. I admire him enormously and I’m really hoping Hillary gets into the White House. Palin doesn’t even begin to have the chops to handle the mess we have now, and it would be a very similar mistake as electing Bush and Obama was.

  155. Thank you. It’s so fashionable to diss Bill but that man worked his ass off. And obviously, Hillary will as well.

  156. basement angel
    June 20th, 2010 at 1:20 am

    Community Reinvestment Act
    ___________________________________

    You DO understand that CRA was the catalyst for the Freddie & Fannie Mae collapse because it required banks to make riskier loans, don’t you? That the consequent bundled mortgages sold with the notes were what the credit default swaps were supposed to protect against which is why when the riskier borrowers began defaulting on their mortgages, the people responsible for payment on those hedge instruments went belly up?

    In sum, you appear to be praising the CRA, when it is largely the source of the economic collapse that we’re still suffering with today.

  157. Bill Clinton was convicted liar, lets face it. What he did in the oval office was a disgrace to the office of the president and also dangerous as he left him self vulnerable to extortion, something no sitting president or vise president should do. He humiliated his family and he did not do enough to stop Osama Bin Laudin after the several foriegn attacks and one at the World Trade center garage.
    I hope for a president I can truely be proud of. So far Jimmy Carter was the closest to that but he has gone soft and lets his children and grand children guide his way like to many liberals.
    Carter had a much worse president to clean up after than George W. Bush.
    And when the three -mile insident occured he came to the reactor in Pennsylvania the next day, putting his health in danger something Obama would never do.

  158. Juliette
    June 20th, 2010 at 12:53 am
    Soros

    What a sick meglamaniac!
    _____________________________________
    Yup, he is one sick fuck.

  159. This is ahistorical and insensible: “Clinton got to ride the dotcom bubble.”

    There was no dotcom bubble when Bill Clinton made the extraordinary decisions and took the key and extraordinary actions he took (in his first year in office when he passed his budget). There was no dotcom bubble when Bill Clinton took on the Democrats who controlled congress (and has been punished for that courageous and smart act ever since). There was no dotcom bubble when Bill Clinton took on the deficit and raised taxes in order to fix up the economy. There was no dotcom bubble when Bill Clinton took office.

    If you want to blame the “dotcom” bubble on Bill Clinton then put the blame on him properly: there was so much prosperity created during Bill Clinton’s term that there was tons of money for people to dump into the dotcoms. Once Mosaic made the internet accessible to all (in 1993) the internet explosion began. Because of Bill Clinton’s wisdom and hard fought policies the deficit went down, and then interest rates went down and there was tons of more money for investments. Some of that money was dumped stupidly in bad investments but some went into good investments – it’s capitalism and eventually the bad investments were destroyed.

    But all that money that Bill Clinton, because of his smart and hard fought fights helped to bring to the economy, not only helped dotcoms, that money got jobs for a lot of people and there were more taxes raised and then Bill Clinton kept paying off the deficit and after he performed that miracle he started paying off the debt.

    But unfortunately some idiot Republicans – Alan Greenspan in particular, husband of Mrs. NBC, did all they could to stop Bill Clinton from paying off more and more of the debt.

    The “dotcom bubble” began in 1995 and Bill Clinton’s fateful and great decisions took place in 1993. The country was hurting in 1993 and in early 1994. After the Bill Clinton budget began to take full effect the economy grew even faster. Bill Clinton was building a “virtuous cycle” in economics. But what Bill Clinton did was not a matter of luck – it was hard work and battle scars on him politically.

    And all that great confidence he built overseas with his great leadership and actions also increased the economic feel-good era which led to additional good in the virtuous cycle.

    The nonsense that Bill “rode” the wave is just that – nonsense. That wave would not even have existed if it wasn’t for the wise stewardship and economic wisdom of Bill Clinton. As Bill Clinton says “If you’re walking down a road and you find a turtle on top of a post, you can be sure that turtle did not get there by itself.”

  160. Sorry, I accidentally hit post. The CRA didn’t change credit standards – in fact, the act says specifically that credit standards should be maintained. What it demands is that banks invest in the communities in which they are making money – that’s all. For instance, in Baltimore, mortgage brokers routinely routed African Americans with good credit and high income into risky, sub-prime loans based on their race. How do we know this? We have tapes of them joking about putting “gorillas” into the subprime loans so that they can make more money. The CRA is irrelevant to that corruption. With or without the CRA, those racist actions have cost thousands of Baltimore home owners their homes. And again, when the prosecutors looked at the aps, they found good credit and high income that should have earned them a standard, fixed rate loan.

  161. basement angel
    June 20th, 2010 at 2:14 am
    Blowme,

    That’s a lot rightwing hooey. CRA is not the problem.
    ______________________________________

    LOLOL!! There’s nothing “right wing” about it. People who have less income and do not have large down payments are riskier borrowers. That means, they are more likely to default. When the Gov required banks to lower down payment and income requirements to make loans, guess what, they took on riskier loans. Those loans were guaranteed by Fannie Mae – meaning You and Me. When borrowers can’t pay, they default, the banks call on the government to make good on the guarantee. That’s part of it.

    Promissory Notes are the evidence of indebtedness generated when someone borrows money. They are in a class of instruments referred to as negotiable paper. Negotiable paper as a class of commercial instrument has existed in one form or another for hundreds of years. Investors buy these at a discount from lenders so the lender realizes immediate cash and the risk of loss by default is passed to the purchaser. Investors are always looking for a safety net to protect against loss. This is generically referred to as a hedge. When bundles of notes were sold, they were backed by the mortgages. These are what are referred to as mortgage backed securities. Certain financial houses sold hedges which were referred to as the now famous “credit default swaps”. These were, in theory, to protect the holder of the bundled mortgage backed security.

    When the riskier bundles of mortgage backed securities began defaulting, the owners of those securities called upon the backer or underwirter of the credit default swaps who could not honor their obligation. It had a contagion effect. Banks started hoarding money and wouldn’t make loans. Businesses rely on short term loans just to operate and they either couldn’t get them, or the rates which they had to pay were exhorbitant. When they can’t pay their bills, everyone down the line can’t pay theirs either.

    There’s nothing “right wing” about any of that. Those are simply facts, and there’s your overly simplified explanation of the “credit crisis” and how it was largely the result of the government making banks lend to borrowers that they would otherwise not have loaned to.

    There’s your oversimplified

  162. The CRA is irrelevant to that corruption
    _______________________________________

    Yes, it absolutely is, which is why I can’t understand what it has to do with our discussion.

  163. Juliette
    June 20th, 2010 at 12:41 am

    Look I respect my new freinds here at Hillary 44, but I have to say that I do belieev that you are making excuses for her.
    ———-
    Amazing, since I already spoke my mind to Juliette on another blog months ago, I see she is still enjoying coming to a blog that supports Hillary and ranting about all the things she dislikes about the Clintons, praising Palin.
    Since I am somewhat new to posting on this blog I will leave the comments to her for all Big Pink old time regulars, but I still wonder why she does this instead of being on Palin blogs where she can do her thing.

  164. Juliette, your comment at 2:00 a.m. is filled with mostly misinformation or very little information it seems. You should consider doing some research before disseminating such comments.

    First of all Bill Clinton is not nor has he ever been a “convicted liar”. If you have evidence of that please share it. The argument that can be made is contrary to the one you make: Bill Clinton was cleared of lying. Recall that Bill Clinton was impeached (which is only the equivalent of indictment – it is not conviction). During his Senate trial which consisted of 2 charges “grand jury perjury” and “obstruction of justice” he was not convicted. So if anything Bill Clinton can make a claim contrary to yours. By the way, both of these charges were rejected by a Republican Senate and therefore Republicans and Democrats voted to acquit Bill Clinton while only Republicans voted to condemn.

    However we suspect you base your “convicted liar” claim on what Bill Clinton said during his political entrapment by Republicans. Without getting into legalisms (“what ‘is’ is” or the distinctions between lying and perjury – distinctions you might find interesting and quite logical and which put Bill on sure footing) we understand that the genesis of your “convicted liar” claim is what Bill Clinton said during his deposition. But even there, the most that can be said is that in a civil suit Bill Clinton was found in civil contempt for “misleading testimony”. If that is what you mean by “convicted liar” that is a bit of a stretch.

    As to the moral judgment you clearly have made against Bill Clinton we will only note that others have made the same judgments and have come to regret those judgments. “Judge not, lest ye be judged” is a good rule we follow when it comes to the marriages of others. That includes the Palin marriage.

    Tipper Gore made that judgment. Elizabeth Edwards made that judgment. David Vitter also made that judgment when he condemned Bill Clinton and said Bill Clinton should resign. Vitter of course became a congressman when Bob Livingston had to resign when he condemned Bill Clinton but unfortunately it turned out that Bob Livingston was having an affair at the time he was condemning Clinton.

    Wendy Vitter mocked Hillary and Bill Clinton’s marriage and made a great show of what she would do if her husband ever strayed. Her husband of course was a family values conservative who was later found to acquaint prostitutes and would dress in diapers for his fun with the ladies. Wendy and her husband are still married even though she had talked tough lo those many years ago. We won’t bore you with the long list of others who have put themselves on moral pedestals only to weep when the same ills befell them.

    You also make a point, a well taken point, that what Bill Clinton did opened him to extortion. You add that it is a “disgrace” to the office of the president for such things to happen. While we agree with you, when we are in busybody mode, that we don’t like what Bill did to Hillary, it is none of our business. That is up to Hillary and how she conducts her life. The heart is a mysterious thing and we don’t plumb those depths in the lives of others.

    As to your point of the extortion and the danger, as we said we agree. What Bill did (which is more in sadness it seems to us after reading the Starr report) was in our busybody judgment “stupid”. But your shock is the shock of the ingenue. Surely you are aware that most of our modern day presidents opened themselves to extortion and danger, as you have it. FDR had his lady love aside from Eleanor, Eisenhower had a certain friend as well. Truman did not stray. JFK had so many dangerous affairs (movie stars, gangster molls, east German spies) it’s hard to keep track. LBJ had a signal system set up to warn him when Lady Bird was about so he could dismount from the lovely interns he entertained. Nixon did not stray. Ford did not stray, at least in the White House as far as we know. Carter did not stray but he had “lust in his heart”. Reagan did not stray from Nancy but that boy in Hollywood surely sowed some oats. George H.W. Bush strayed and toured with his stray while Babs stayed home. Bill of course is the object of this subject. George W. was tuckered out by the time he got Laura and we hope he never strayed. Barack Obama is heralded by his friends, as we have written repeatedly, as “no skeletons in his closet” and his wife thinks she has a marriage free of strays. For her sake she better be right.

    On the whole, with the above list, it looks to us as if we prefer the presidents who stray – perhaps that is because if they are screwing someone else they don’t screw the public.

    As to your claims about Bill and Bin Laden, you are simply ignorantly wrong.

    Capturing Osama bin Laden has been an objective of the United States government since the presidency of Bill Clinton.[108] Shortly after the September 11 attacks it was revealed that President Clinton had signed a directive authorizing the CIA (and specifically their elite Special Activities Division) to apprehend bin Laden and bring him to the United States to stand trial after the 1998 United States embassy bombings in Africa; if taking bin Laden alive was deemed impossible, then deadly force was authorized.[109] On August 20, 1998, 66 cruise missiles launched by United States Navy ships in the Arabian Sea struck bin Laden’s training camps near Khost in Afghanistan, narrowly missing him by a few hours.[110] In 1999 the CIA, together with Pakistani military intelligence, had prepared a team of approximately 60 Pakistani commandos to infiltrate Afghanistan to capture or kill bin Laden, but the plan was aborted by the 1999 Pakistani coup d’état;[110] in 2000, foreign operatives working on behalf of the CIA had fired a rocket-propelled grenade at a convoy of vehicles in which bin Laden was traveling through the mountains of Afghanistan, hitting one of the vehicles but not the one in which bin Laden was riding.[109]

    In 2000, prior to the September 11 attacks, Paul Bremer characterized the Clinton administration as “correctly focused on bin Laden”, while Robert Oakley criticized their “obsession with Osama”.[73]

  165. Oh Admin – your knowledge is a sight for sore eyes, and the posts by BigPink bloggers are really something.

    Makes me proud.

  166. admin
    June 20th, 2010 at 3:36 am

    Peggy Noonan needs to learn how to learn how to gather informatin from you. How come you aren’t the chief editor for Time magazine?!

  167. Judge not lest ye be judged:

    http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/10/29/lousiana_race/index1.html

    By 1999, Vitter was ready to move to the national stage. His chance came when House Republicans lost seats in the 1998 midterm elections amid public anger over the impeachment of President Clinton. The election debacle caused angry House Republicans to reject Newt Gingrich, who resigned. His replacement as speaker was to be Livingston, then chairman of the House Appropriations Committee. But as the Louisiana Republican decried Clinton’s sexual transgressions, it emerged that he himself had engaged in extramarital affairs. Livingston too was forced to resign, paving the way for the 1999 special congressional election. [snip]

    Asked by an interviewer in 2000 whether she could forgive her husband if she learned he’d had an extramarital affair, as Hillary Clinton and Bob Livingston’s wife had done, Wendy Vitter told the Times-Picayune: “I’m a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary. If he does something like that, I’m walking away with one thing, and it’s not alimony, trust me.

    http://www.nowpublic.com/us_senator_has_diaper_fetish

    Conservative US Senator David Vitter fought for the Federal Defense of Marriage Act. He was vocal in critcizing those who objected to the Conservative-led impeachment of Bill Clinton .Vitter also replaced Bob Livinston who was exposed for having numerous affairs while leading the Louisiana delegation and running to replace the Speaker of the House. He has run as a tough family values God fearing Republican trotting out his wife Wendy and four kids to show what a good Christian man he is refering frequently to the fact that he and his wife are rectors in their church.

    Then his name appeared among the thousands on the DC Madam’s phone list. According to a Canal Street Madam he is a good guy, not freaky or kinky like some others and his wife should forgive him. Other prostitutes disagree. See Louisiana’s Senator likes to wear diapers.

  168. Palin is a lot better qualified than Obama. She has native intelligence, ability, drive as shown in building a successful business while raising children, and her service in PTA/city/ethics commission and getting elected governor by fighting her party.

    As governor she showed great success within that milieu: on the state budget, fighting the oil companies and winning, etc. Her expertise in oil/energy means understanding the global economy and global politics at least as it affects the global energy economy.

    Her experience so far may be narrow, but her ability, quick study, head for figures, economic understanding, political tact, good choice of advisors — and guts — could take her as quickly and successfully from Alaska to Washington, as it did from the PTA to success in the governor’s office.

    I disagree with many of her statements, but she’d be a much better president than Obama ever can.

    See “Palin governed from the center”

  169. admin,

    Thanks much for the chronology on Clinton’s economy and the dotcoms. Etc Etc

    And everything else!

  170. I have never listened to this man’s radio show, but here is something from his blog that I read for the first time last night. John Batchelor wrote the following comments which are of interest. I don’t know to whom he attributes this information.

    More confirming anecdote re POTUS and the melodrama in the West Wing. The benign explanation is that POTUS is preparing to clean house of advisers who are no longer too big to fail. Rahm Emanuel is scheduled to depart for Chicago politics. The grimmer explanation is that POTUS wants to go, too. This version is all from the foreign policy side. There are twists that involve State and DoD. Much to figure. Incomplete versions. The Days of Our West Wing Lives. J

  171. Although clever, I could not get myself to laugh at the “a dolphin short” comment.

    I did laugh concerning the very beginning of this post. If it looks, smells, and tastes
    like sh!t then it is sh!t which is POISON, and it should be avoided!

    Also, three cheers for Jan Brewer.

  172. Although I understand that this site is devoted to Hillary Clinton, I am glad that different opinions are allowed, and debunked when necessary. Juliette seems respectful enough to me. She may be down on the Clintons, but it gives me the opportunity to read some comments from a different perspective, albeit mostly wrong as far as I am concerned, which I pretty much ignored during Bill Clinton’s presidency. Some blogs would call her a troll. I wouldn’t. She has her beliefs, and correcting
    incorrect “facts” may help her see things ina different light.

  173. My last comment is unnecessarily in moderation. I need to know why so that I can avoid making that mistake again.

  174. I read a comment about hiw Hillbuzz wrote that they would lose respect for Hillary if she ran as VP with the disabled One. A commenter here, although I don’t remember who without sorting through the above comments using my Iphone no less, suggested that Hillbuzz was being ridiculous. I just wanted to express my support for them. I also would lose some respect for Hillary if she were to do that. Unless I have misunderstood this very post on Hillaryis44, It seems that the admin seems to indicate the same disappointment if this were to occur. What’s going on in this country right now is not all about Hillary’s future only. It’s about all our futures, and I will not place Hillary above anyone else. If she can help straighten out this mess, GREAT! But if this comes about through enabling the coup plotter Obamaists in the Democratic party to politically survive another day, then that is problematic. Country first before political ambition. Like those here who want the Obama party defeated, Hillary and Bill need to visibly do their part. I am looking for an inarguable sign that they are doing this
    now. So far, I only see other’s speculations, mixed with some seemingly pro-Obama sentiments coming from the Clintons, especially, and more surprisingly Bill.

    I would really like to know how much input Hillary has with Israeli policy. If she has been a prime promoter in the administration of the current policy toward Israel, then
    that would not make me happy at all.

  175. Juliette

    You really need to find another blog. You are obviously a Republican and not a Hillary supporter.

    Admin is extremely patient to try to educate you, but I think it’s a waste of all of our time.

    This is a site for Hillary supporters. Why are you here?

  176. nobama @ 6:45 am
    An Obama/Clinton ticket in 2012 would be as unpalatable to me as it was when proposed by some in 2008. However, I believe I can put aside my personal opinion of Hillary as I assess that particular combination. If fact, for me, it has nothing to do with Hillary. Obama at the top is not an option. He was forced upon us to begin with, and I will never reward that infamous nomination. No matter how it is presented.

  177. Carol
    June 19th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Great. What will it take for O’s polls to go to 39%.
    __________________

    One small photo of the massive fish kill washed ashore which was scooped up and buried on Grand Isle, Louisiana by bp and the US military.

    Just think where we would be right now if we really knew what has happened so far.

    But most important of all –

    Who authorized the:

    Maintaining a no-fly zone over the spill (HillBuzz)

    The US Coast Guard preventing reporters (or anyone) from getting close to the spill (or photographing what is washing on shore). (HillBuzz)

    Using military at Grand Isle, Louisiana under tight security lockdown…for SOMETHING. (HillBuzz)

    Warehouses full of oil containing boom that aren’t being used. (HillBuzz)

    And the US Parks putting part of AZ off limits to American citizens, creating a path right from the border for drug and human traffickers to use. (NQ)

    Who is maintaining constant vigilance and dispatching pick up parties to scoop up and take away any carcass washing up with in 15 minutes. (Dr. Riki Ott interviewed by Olberman on MSNBC)

    Kerry Kennedy (RFK’s daughter) says BP told the crews that respirators would only “create hysteria.” Also, animal carcasses are disappearing and being decapitated (to prevent effective autopsies). And even better, BP is allegedly confiscating emails and camera photos of the damage from clean-up workers, volunteers, and scientists.

    I think they (politicians, corporations) have been scared out of their wits this past month and a half, never has their way of life been so threatened – to hell with the people and wildlife in the Gulf.

  178. my vote for hillary as VP would be a vote for Obama for president! not going to happen, my stomach couldn’t take it!

  179. I cannot believe this asshat Obama! And NO, I will not vote for the asshat with Hillary as VP, I will 100% abosolutely campaign for that ticket, even harder than when I campaigned for Hillary in 2008. This is beyond Hillary and my opinion of her will lessen like HillBuzz has said in their post if Hillary accepts a post as VP.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpyrlX52TwA&

    (On June 18, 2010, Arizona Republican Senator Jon Kyl told the audience at a North Tempe Tea Party town hall meeting that during a private, one-on-one meeting with President Obama in the Oval Office, the President told him, regarding securing the southern border with Mexico, “The problem is, . . . if we secure the border, then you all won’t have any reason to support ‘comprehensive immigration reform.’” [Audible gasps were heard throughout the audience.] Sen. Kyl continued, “In other words, they’re holding it hostage. They don’t want to secure the border unless and until it is combined with ‘comprehensive immigration reform.’”

    Sen. Kyl also said he reminded President Obama that the President and the Congress has an obligation, a duty, to secure the border.)

  180. meant to say:

    I will 100% abosolutely NOT NOT NOT campaign for that ticket, even harder than when I campaigned for Hillary in 2008.

  181. I want you all to consider the severity of this statement by Oba-Mao, American and legal residents of AZ are now explicitly told that the Federal govt will NOT secure their safety unless a piece of legilation that the marxist ignorant asshat wants passes.

    Think about that. Securing the border is part of the Federal govt responsibility, it is NOT conditional on other circumstances, it is part of the federal govt’s specific roles outlined in the US Constitution.

  182. gee must be a sunday thing, I meant to say.

    “I will 100% abosolutely campaign AGAINST that ticket, even harder than when I campaigned for Hillary in 2008.”

  183. Admin:

    Big hugs for taking the ‘operative'(Juliette) to task and cleansing the filth she continues to spill here out of sheer ignorance of facts or perhaps, giving her the benefit of the doubt, to earn a paycheck. I can forgive if it’s the later but enough is enough already. Anyway, thanks for your astute due diligence putting the Clinton presidency in it’s true historical perspective. I and many others appreciate the truth writ large.

  184. admin
    June 20th, 2010 at 3:36 am

    Thank you for that response to Juliette. Although I support Palin, I am very wary of Palin devotees like Juliette. Every politician has faults, every person has to be looked at as a whole person not just blindless devotion.

  185. Nobama: I am of the same mind as you are.

    What has sustained many of us in this long arduous journey through one disappointment after another is the firm belief that:

    1. Hillary knew exactly what Obama is–as evidenced by what she said about him in the primary.

    2. Hillary was determined to do what is best for the country and the party of Roosevelt.

    3. Hillary entered this administration to prevent him from wrecking the country.

    4. Hillary’s intention was to position herself to become president when he failed.

    5. Hillary is on our side and would never make herself a party to his evil machinations.

    We are not privy to Hillary’s private thoughts on this matter. The question she has to decide is what does she want and is it realistically achievable in the time that remains.

    a. Option 1: accept an offer to become vice president. That would give her the highest position that any woman has achieved in the history of this county. Furthermore, it would endear her to the Washington elites. But it would force her to give up her presidential ambitions and repudiate what she has stood for up to this point. And, it would adversely affect her legacy because she would become jointly responsible for his policies which are destroying the middle class.

    b. Option 2: decline the offer to become vice president, find colorable reason to resign as Secretary of State after the November and let him self destruct. Wait for the party to come to its senses and ask her to run for the presidency. When he fails, she could ride in on a white horse to save the party and the county, without appearing to be disloyal.

    Obviously, option 2 is what we on this blog hope and believe we will do. There is no way she can save this country as his vice president–and by no way I mean just that, no way. Period. Nor will it give her the legacy she wants. The statement go big or go home is the only answer.

  186. lets see if I am out of moderation?

    admin
    June 20th, 2010 at 3:36 am

    Thank you for that response to Juliette. Although I support Palin, I am very wary of Palin devotees like Juliette. Every politician has faults, every person has to be looked at as a whole person not just blindless devotion.

  187. (On June 18, 2010, Arizona Republican Senator Jon Kyl told the audience at a North Tempe Tea Party town hall meeting that during a private, one-on-one meeting with President Obama in the Oval Office, the President told him, regarding securing the southern border with Mexico, “The problem is, . . . if we secure the border, then you all won’t have any reason to support ‘comprehensive immigration reform.’”
    ————————————
    Is this a surprise?

  188. “If you want to blame the “dotcom” bubble on Bill Clinton then put the blame on him properly: there was so much prosperity created during Bill Clinton’s term that there was tons of money for people to dump into the dotcoms. Once Mosaic made the internet accessible to all (in 1993) the internet explosion began. Because of Bill Clinton’s wisdom and hard fought policies the deficit went down, and then interest rates went down and there was tons of more money for investments. Some of that money was dumped stupidly in bad investments but some went into good investments – it’s capitalism and eventually the bad investments were destroyed.”

    Admin, we have to laugh at and ridicule the ignorant people who minimize what happened in the 90s esp. as far as the Internet revolution is concerned. For researchers like me who have seen it up close it is wonderful to see research/innovation and entrepreneurship, things America is known for come together to help and lead the rest of the world. Bill Clinton knew where to harness his leadership and energy for maximum impact. Even before BC, it was Gore’s legislation that paved the way for opening up the Internet to public at large and commerce. It was no accident that BC picked Gore. Obots talk about vision — Bill Clinton had vision. Remember the information superhighway?!

    WWW, Mosaic (and then Netscape), search engines (Infoseek was my favorite in pre-Google era) and Google, YouTube,…

    It all happened with a Dem president and the DimWits could not even market what is legitimately theirs.

    For those curious about the Internet and how it started, here is a short timeline:

    see for complete list: http://www.greatachievements.org/Default.aspx?id=2984

    ——————————–
    1983 The Internet

    ARPANET, and all networks attached to it, officially adopts the TCP/IP networking protocol. From now on, all networks that use TCP/IP are collectively known as the Internet. The number of Internet sites and users grow exponentially.
    ——————————–
    1984 Advent of Domain Name Service

    The advent of Domain Name Service, developed by Paul Mockapetris and Craig Partridge, eases the identification and location of computers connected to ARPANET by linking unique IP numerical addresses to names with suffixes such as .mil, .com, .org, and .edu.
    —————————–
    1986 Senator Gore proposes new legislation for using fiber-optic technology

    Senator Albert Gore, of Tennessee, proposes legislation calling for the interconnection of the supercomputers centers using fiber-optic technology.
    —————————–
    1987 High-speed national research network

    NSF convenes the networking community in response to a request by Senator Gore to examine prospects for a high-speed national research network. Gordon Bell at NSF reports to the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP) on a plan for the National Research and Education Network. Presidential Science Advisor Allan Bromley champions the high-performance computing and communications initiatives that eventually implement the networking plans.
    ——————————

  189. A poster above, in considering Hillary’s interest in the VP slot, was right in harking back to the o-HRC meeting at Diane Feinstein’s home. But I am dead certain that Hillary did not bargain for VP at that time. After the meeting, she said she was “open to the idea” of taking the VP position which, as I translate it, meant just that: She wanted to get back to the work she loved as Senator for New York, fuck the VP. What they discussed at that meeting was (1) bury the hatchet; (2) how to win the general election [since o had shunned her white working class, he was going to have to change his tune if he wanted to win the general]; and (3) in return for her active support, he would help pay off her campaign debt.

    o did not make good on this last promise, of course. Now, if o wants to make Hillary his VP, that campaign debt will necessarily be obliterated in 2012. This may be an additional enticement to Hillary that Quinn does not consider, and none of us here seem to have considered either. Of course, the campaign debt is nearly wiped out already, as it is down to about $3-400K. But o could promise to reimburse also the $11M that Hillary paid out of her own funds. This may be a deal that is hard to refuse.

    The thing that will stop Hillary from taking VP is that VP is, as wbboei pointed out above, worth a warm bottle of spit. It is actually a step down from Secretary of State. As SoS, Hillary is in her element because it is an executive position. She gets to run a global organization of 20,000 people. She is an executive and is doing a lot of good. She has transformed the department and is revamping America’s position in the world.

    The VP gets to do nothing, or run the president’s errands if the president so wishes. The VP has no function, no department, no constitutional duties except to preside the Senate and break a tie. I’m pretty sure that’s why Hillary was not at all enthusiastic about VP after the meeting at Feinstein’s house. She preferred being a Senator. And she wasn’t excited about being SoS either, if you remember well.

    If Hillary accepts the VP spot now, then, it can only be to pay off her campaign debt. If that is the case, I will stop my own contributions (which amount to nearly $35,000 so far, and still going) to her campaign fund, and will do nothing to get an o-HRC ticket elected in 2012. But I will not lose any respect for Hillary or Bill. Just twiddle my thumbs until 2016.

  190. In the early days of television, there as a show called Kids Say The Darndest Things. Well so do sociopaths. Things like if we secure the border, prevent Arizona citizens from being murdered, prevent drug gangs from reenacting the gunfight at ok corral every evening, prevent children from becoming addicts and all that inconsequential stuff that does not affect priviledged people like us, then the republicans will have no incentive to support our ambitious plans to reward this massive invasion of our sovereignty which benefits dimocrats at the expense of the American People. For once in his life the sociopath was honest. But all it did was confirm what we already knew. He is pure evil.

  191. lets try this one more time.

    admin
    Thank you for that response to Juliette. Although I support Palin, I am very wary of Palin devotees like Juliette. Every politician has faults, every person has to be looked at as a whole person and what they have accomplished not just blindless devotion like Juliette seems to do and rant and rave against any other politician.

  192. basement angel,

    You are entitled to your views just as I am. I posted the Pelosi article because I firmly believe that given the U.S.’s problematic economy, financial restraints are a must not just for democrats but for republicans, private industry, everyone.

  193. It looks like Bibi is rescheduling his meeting with obama for July 5th. Should be interesting to see how bambi balances his hatred for Israel and his love for all things terrorist this time.

  194. “But o could promise to reimburse also the $11M that Hillary paid out of her own funds. This may be a deal that is hard to refuse.”

    ———————
    My only questions about all of this is: Can she trust him? Can she trust the dims who backstabbed her?

  195. JanH:
    “My only questions about all of this is: Can she trust him? Can she trust the dims who backstabbed her?”

    And my answer to that is, no, she can’t. I don’t want to see her demoted to VP for no good reason and then get dumped with o in 2012 anyway.

  196. You know, one thing we haven’t considered as we talk about the impending disaster for the Demicrats in November, is: What if Gillibrand loses? Gillibrand is Hillary’s protégé. If Hillary’s old seat goes to the Republican, then, after November, Hillary may well be inclined to work out her term as SoS and then resign in time for the 2012 NY Senate election, to regain her old seat. I think this would be more attractive to her than any VP position.

  197. So, why am I in moderation also?

    Mrs. Smith
    Your comment is awaiting moderation. Don’t worry, it might simply be an overactive spam filter.

    June 20th, 2010 at 10:32 am
    Admin:

    Big hugs for taking the ‘operative’(Juliette) to task and cleansing the filth she continues to spill here out of sheer ignorance of facts or perhaps, giving her the benefit of the doubt, to earn a paycheck. I can forgive if it’s the later but enough is enough already. Anyway, thanks for your astute due diligence putting the Clinton presidency in it’s true historical perspective. I and many others appreciate the truth writ large.

  198. “Hillary may well be inclined to work out her term as SoS and then resign in time for the 2012 NY Senate election, to regain her old seat. I think this would be more attractive to her than any VP position.”
    _________________________

    The Dem Congress is in shambles. What good can Hillary do walking into a disaster area? And why would she want to back peddle into something she has already mastered? That and the VP slot doesn’t compute. imo-

  199. I have always maintained that Hillary is one of the greatest leaders this country has produced. I think she has a deep and abiding loyalty to this country, and an agenda which serves our long term interests as well as those of the world. For her to accept the position of vice president would be to squander her talents. To date, we have seen Obama use her as his bad cop, and it has adversely affected her standing in certain segments of the electorate, as evidenced by the comments of people on this blog. If she accepts the role of vice president, then she will become his bad cop on domestic matters, she will be slandered as nurse ratchet, while he is allowed to make his flowery speeches and pursue the life of noblesse oblige. In other words, it is not simply a matter of her doing the work that is the problem–she is glad to do that. It is the bad cop role she would be assigned–a brown helmut jobs as we used to put it that would be the problem. With so much to offer the country and the world, it would be a horrible misuse and underutilization of her talent.

  200. “What good can Hillary do walking into a disaster area? And why would she want to back peddle into something she has already mastered?”

    Hillary spent her first term as Senator in a Republican congress with a Republican president. She doesn’t care about the Dem/Rep number game. She has Republican friends in congress. “Backpedal”? I don’t know, she loved the Senate and did a bang-up job there. But you can’t say she “mastered” the Senate. There are only a handful of senior senators that “master” the Senate.

  201. “For her to accept the position of vice president would be to squander her talents…. With so much to offer the country and the world, it would be a horrible misuse and underutilization of her talent.”

    which is exactly what I was trying to say above. VP ain’t worth do-do, it would be a step down from SoS, and I’m fairly confident Hillary knows that and won’t take the bait.

  202. I was watching CNN Reliable Sources. They were interviewing an author of a new biography on O being released soon from the New Yorker. At the end of the interview, it was stated that many have accused the media of having been very prejudical in their coverage of the 2008 election, and they asked what he thought of that in reference to the New Yorker. Of course he is employed by the New Yorker so the response was suspected, but it was the exact words he said that interested me. I feel that the New Yorker treated Hillary Clinton Fairly. Well that is a meaningless observation, and the question was phrased in a general sense but responded to in a specific sense. To me it was a guilty response.

    First of all, if you want an accurate response to that question, you should ask someone who is a disinterested party. Second, you are at it again dear old media, asking questions of a prejudical source, and presenting him as though he could possible be an authority on what they did to the person or persons who should have been elected.

    Sorry, Media to include the New Yorker, You were prejudical, and you screwed up. So all of his failures are your failures. Good luck on those book sales, as I will not purchase one.

  203. Which is why I say that for her to accept the vice presidency under him is in no way shape or form the path to the presidency for her. On the contrary it shuts the door. That said, someone is bound to argue that if she does not accept the job he will put some other woman in there, someone like his Secretary of Health and Human Services. After all, she is a very attractive woman (especially compared to her husband who reminds you of Alfred Hitchcock) and she has been vetted by the sting pullers. Hence, Hillary must take the job to block the accession to the presidency by some other woman, or so goes the argument. My response to what glory is there in being second mate on the Titanic–especially when Obama has commandeered all the life boats for his immediate family, his sharia law extended family in Kenya or evading the INS in this county and his vast legion of Chicago thugs?

  204. “But you can’t say she “mastered” the Senate. There are only a handful of senior senators that “master” the Senate.”
    ___________________________

    I can say it and I did. Hillary learned what her mistakes were after trying to get Congress to pass her HC Bill and failing. She said it herself- she learned where her failing were after she became a senator. It would have been wiser of you to ask me what my definition of “master” is then assume and impose your definition of a senior senator to be a master of the senate because theres no such thing save for the book title, Master of the Senate, The Years of Lyndon B. Johnson..

  205. NMF: CNN is a fraud. If they are going to ask this mutt whether The New Yorker treated Hillary fairly, they owe it to their readers to marshal the contrary evidence and hit him between the eyes with it when he says yes, rather than simply moving on. It would be fair to do that because he is presenting himself as an expert on the campaign and media bias was one of the issues that was constantly in play. If he cannot rebut that evidence when questioned about it, they can show him for what he is. A crass opportunist angling to cash in on the dying embers of Obamania. Fuck him and the horse he road in on.

  206. just my two cents…but I do not see Hillary going back into the NY Senate…

    seems to me that when she leaves SOS she has so much world stage cache and popularity she could do just about anything she wants…

    if she chooses to go back into elected politics I cannot see her going backwards…

    if she decides against the rat race of elected politics and all that she will inevitably have to deal with it some way to be elected, then what Hillary wants to do in the USA or on the world stage is wide open and limitless…

    …she is a pioneer…a born leader…she will create a unique niche for herself…Hillary has chapters yet to write…one way or another…I just hope she does not allow O to tarnish her…so far, she has played her hand “just right”…

  207. JanH,

    It’s a bullshit article because it doesn’t address the fact that she’s Speaker of the House, and the Speaker needs more space and more security. It left out the critical information that put the move in context. It’s a moronic, partisan attack to make people feel superior who actually don’t have sufficient information to come to a conclusion. Yes, it’s a good time for everyone to tighten their belt. But starting with the Speaker’s security probably isn’t the place that smart people who can think would start.

    Opinions that don’t make sense aren’t worth holding.

  208. “Opinions that don’t make sense aren’t worth holding.”

    ————–

    Wow! God has spoken!

  209. “The problem is, . . . if we secure the border, then you all won’t have any reason to support ‘comprehensive immigration reform.’”

    ————————————————————

    Then this is the same reason he is doing nothing about containing the oil or stopping BP from using the dispersant that is killing the fish….we won’t support his cap and trade…except the gulf of mexico to become a dead sea, suitable for nothing….this bastard needs to get the hell out of Washington….

    If Hillary was VP would she be in a position to hear more of what is going on in Natl security or not? I thought the President and the Vice get natl security updates everyday, is this true??

  210. Some of the comments on this thread lead me to believe that some support for Hillary is more about NoBama than about Hillary herself as a leader. Lots of cheap shots at Hillary.

  211. “…she is a pioneer…a born leader…she will create a unique niche for herself…Hillary has chapters yet to write…one way or another…”

    Exactly. No pioneer will create a niche for him/herself in the vice presidency. That’s why I’m confident Hillary won’t take the bait.

    And if she doesn’t recup her Senate seat, she may just do what she has said she will do, which is to write and maybe teach, and perhaps join Bill in the Global Initiative. Those are perfectly good ways to spend a few years waiting till 2016. (I still don’t see that window of opportunity for 2012, but my crystal ball isn’t worth much.)

  212. The problem is Obama. The problem is Obama.

    Admin’s analogy is apt: a delicious dessert with poo on top is not edible. Similarly a Clinton on the ticket with Obama anywhere on the same ticket. No go.

    The problem is Obama. The Obama problem remains a problem with or without Hillary on the ticket.

    Hillary’s best chance is 2016. Obama has so destroyed the Democratic brand that no Dem could win in 2012 even were he to step down.

    Hillary best resign sometime in 2011 and lay low until ’16.

  213. Jan,

    Not God. Someone who doesn’t let their partisan inclinations interfere with their common sense. The Speaker, her staff, and her constituents need to be safe – it’s that simple. Saving money and jeopardizing lives isn’t worth it.

  214. “no Dem could win in 2012 even were he to step down.”

    Hey no, wait a minute – were he to step down? No, then the field would be wide open for Hillary.

  215. Betty,

    So the administration is covering up the damage with BP??? I just heard on Fox that the WH is coming out against Hayward for going on his yacht race yesterday, but Obama went to the ballgame…I guess its OK for Obama because he’s the President…if your not sure ask him, he’s always telling folks that he’s the president.

  216. And the US Parks putting part of AZ off limits to American citizens, creating a path right from the border for drug and human traffickers to use. (NQ)

    ==================

    WEll, that would take the pressure off Arizona. Where should the path lead? Chicago? San Francisso? Martha’s Vineyard?

  217. basement angel,

    I respect your opinions as I do everyone else’s here. Maybe we can agree to disagree without the insults.

  218. confloyd
    June 20th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
    Betty,

    So the administration is covering up the damage with BP??? I just heard on Fox that the WH is coming out against Hayward for going on his yacht race yesterday, but Obama went to the ballgame…
    _____________________________________________

    And shot some more golf.

  219. Some of the comments on this thread lead me to believe that some support for Hillary is more about NoBama than about Hillary herself as a leader. Lots of cheap shots at Hillary.

    ==================

    Why shouldn’t there be some people here who may only now be learning the truth about Obama, and haven’t yet begun looking into Hillary? People outside the choir deserve some answers too.

    I’ve missed the cheap shots, though. I’ve seen hypotheticals, like “If she does X, I won’t support her.”

  220. blowme0bama
    June 20th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    confloyd
    June 20th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
    Betty,

    So the administration is covering up the damage with BP??? I just heard on Fox that the WH is coming out against Hayward for going on his yacht race yesterday, but Obama went to the ballgame…
    __________

    Actually Hayward was demoted and was replaced on day to day duties…per the news.

    What was Obama’s excuse for playing over the last year and a half no matter the crisis.

  221. Shadowfax,

    I do wish we could demote Obama as well, he is going to use this oil spill for cap n tax, I just know it. This guy is a danger to America and all its inhabitants, I just hope this country survives until he is out of office.

  222. “The problem is Obama. The problem is Obama.

    Admin’s analogy is apt: a delicious dessert with poo on top is not edible. Similarly a Clinton on the ticket with Obama anywhere on the same ticket. No go.

    The problem is Obama. The Obama problem remains a problem with or without Hillary on the ticket.

    Hillary’s best chance is 2016. Obama has so destroyed the Democratic brand that no Dem could win in 2012 even were he to step down

    All completely true.

  223. Let’s stick to Kyrgyzstan.

    Don’t you guys get it? The media whispering about Hillary is an orchestrated effort to deflect attention from the disaster in the Obama White House. It’s just a shell game so that we take our eye off the real issues, arguing about whether Hillary should or should not replace Joe Biden. This kind of deflection is what the beltway media does best. We should not fall for it. We should “stick to Kyrgyzstan.”

  224. “It’s just a shell game so that we take our eye off the real issues, arguing about whether Hillary should or should not replace Joe Biden.”

    —————–

    Exactly. And these constant shell games are getting really old already.

  225. turndownobama: “I’ve seen hypotheticals, like “If she does X, I won’t support her.””

    Well, I won’t vote an o-HRC ticket. I wouldn’t have in 2008 either. As it was, I voted McCain/Biden (that was possible on my ballot).

    What gets me is the comments that people would lose respect for Hillary. I don’t understand that and it riles me.

  226. I think your right…I saw an interesting card game last night…it was the NWO card game…one card has a picture of a shell game on it. LOL! Of coarse it has a picture of oil in the oceans too, and one with a picture of bribery. Two hands shaking with money in between and incidently the hands are one white hand and one black hand.

    there are several cards that are quiet interesting, since this set of cards was made in 1995.

  227. confloyd

    I just hope this country survives until he is out of office.
    ———-
    Me too, and 2016 is too long to wait. 6 more years of this jackass, even as a lame duck is too long. His attention to sports for 6 years while Rome burns is too damn long.

  228. What gets me is the comments that people would lose respect for Hillary. I don’t understand that and it riles me.
    ————-
    Yup, me too.
    Respect isn’t lost that easily over someone that you REALLY respect in the first place.

  229. Yup, me too.
    Respect isn’t lost that easily over someone that you REALLY respect in the first place.

    ————-
    I should clarify this…before I piss off too many people, respect is something I wouldn’t retract that easily with someone I really respect.

  230. Jan,

    Sure, but posting articles that leave out the most salient information just to insight outrage.

    Back in the seventies and through the nineties, there was a dialogue as to whether airlines should harden the doors to the cockpit so that in the event of an attempted hijacking, the pilots could fly to where they wanted. The airlines opposed it because it would be expensive. The israelis did it years ago, and it prevented any further jacking of their jets. But the US didn’t because the airlines objected so vociferously. And it was the lack of hardened doors that allowed the 9/11 attackers to carry out their plot.

    In the aftermath of 9/11, two US senators (Daschle and Leahy) were the targets of attempted terrorism – anthrax – REAL ANTHRAX – was mailed to their DC office but was thankfully caught by the security system in place and no lives were lost.

    Now, during Clinton’s presidency, the rightwing American terrorists killed almost twice as many Americans as foreign terrorists. And the American right hates Nancy Pelosi.

    To argue against her moving into far more security facilities, in this day and age, is to argue the position of the airlines pre-9/11. And unfortunately, just as no airline executives died in those attacks, the people criticizing Pelosi’s move without even acknowledging the security issues at hand, aren’t likely to be harmed in any attempted attacks. It’s bullshit.

    Pelosi is a terrorist target for both AQ and the American right. Her safety, and the safety of her staff and constituents is a worthwhile investment.

  231. As for cheap shots, woops, there was one: a troll I’ve seen at Pumapac. My apologies.

    As for losing respect as VP Hillary, some people might feel that way. Some people felt that way when she hired on, as Michelle “loved to say” as Obama’s “Secretary Clinton.” Many did when she campaigned for Obama in fall 2008.

    Me, I’m not sure that many people would see much difference between SOS and VP, respect-wise. Some people would consider it a promotion. It would put her in the line of succession.

    Hm. I don’t think there’s any chance of Obama’s big money backers letting Hillary get the nomination in future. Unless Obama himself could be persuaded to some decent action, now that he’s tired of the job….

  232. Mitch McConnell is ripping Obama a new one…saying that since he is advocating larger government, why isn’t this government working well in getting the cleanup of the oil any better.

    I do think if they opened this oil spill up to commercial people trying to figure out how to clean it up, we would be further along cleaning it up….the coast guard stops the cleaning more than cleaning.

  233. confloyd
    June 20th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
    Shadowfax,

    I do wish we could demote Obama as well,
    __________________________________________

    I can’t think of any position he would be competent to be entrusted with.

  234. turndownobama

    As for cheap shots, woops, there was one: a troll I’ve seen at Pumapac. My apologies.
    ———-
    Yes, I wasn’t talking about folks that just came off the kool-aid and just are trying to find their way…I was talking about people that have been around the PUMA blogs since 2008.

  235. This is the second time I have heard Obama was sick of the job…someone posted that Robert Gibbs was tired of it and apparently the CIC chimed in and agreed as well. I will pay for their plane tickets back to Chicago myself! Don’t let the door hit your backside on your way out, LOL!

  236. I can’t think of any position he would be competent to be entrusted with.

    —-
    Poverty pimp of the year?
    King of the racists?
    Leader of the flim flam?

  237. As far as that shell game, it was the week before last that Hillary was suppose to be the Defense secretary..LOL! She is so talented that she can do any job in Washington…that’s got to be pissing off alot of folks.

  238. This is the second time I have heard Obama was sick of the job…

    ————–
    It shows all over his mug, he don’t like to work and he doesn’t like to be criticized.

    He only likes being admired and those days are over.

  239. The reviews of President Obama’s first address from the Oval Office came in fast and harsh.

    On blogs, on a blur of cable news shows, on magazine Web sites, in the morning newspapers, the verdict within 12 hours was nearly unanimous: Mr. Obama’s speech on Tuesday night about the oil spill had been pedantic, vague and uninspiring — a lost opportunity.

    “It’s the first Obama speech ever panned by the talking heads,” Mike Allen reported in the Politico Playbook.

    But so what? Does it really matter if you lose the pundits anymore?

    There was a time when the after-action takes of big commentators were sought out by Americans trying to assess the latest news coming out of the capital. They helped drive public opinion.

    But tracking influences on public opinion has become greatly complicated now that the once-exclusive club has been joined by the vast multitudes blogging or posting Twitter updates or otherwise opining online, with a select few doing so after offering instant analysis on television. Mr. Obama had barely begun his speech when various commentators began a running review on Twitter.

    It is not just the number of commentators or the abundance of platforms that is diluting the influence of the mainstream media, but their speed. Opinions are being served up so fast that in this case many of them were stale by the next morning.

    “Things have expanded so much,” Dennis Ryerson, the editor of The Indianapolis Star, said on Thursday. “Forty years ago, newspapers ran opinion pieces by a lot of columnists, most of whom were in Washington. They had a good following and were widely respected. But now anyone with a cheap computer can become a columnist or a pundit. The definition has changed. More people are in the game right now.

    “Obama couldn’t get a break from any of the national commentators,” he said. “So I was surprised when I saw a poll today that showed that Obama’s approval rating didn’t change that much. I don’t know if anyone has figured out the impact of the new information order when you have so many opinions out there.”

    Martin Kaplan, the director of the Norman Lear Center at the Annenberg School for Communications and Journalism at the University of Southern California, said, “I think the most important impact of Washington commentators is on other Washington commentators.”

    Mr. Kaplan said that if the MSNBC commentator Keith Olbermann was upset by “what the Obama speech did or didn’t contain, then every person who is booking a guest or framing an article is affected by that.”

    But, he added, “I think the impact of the various conventional wisdoms of Washington is far less, because people have so many places to turn to.”

    Also complicating matters is the mistrust of the news media: it is at an all-time high. Many Americans are more likely to assume that anyone they read or see on television has a political bias.

    The tough reviews of Mr. Obama’s speech will probably have some impact on people’s perceptions. But history suggests that the final public verdict is often quite different from the instant analysis. In one memorable case, many pundits declared that Senator John McCain won the second presidential debate with Mr. Obama, an analysis that was soon discredited by the polls that asked Americans who had won.

    In the environment of opinion overload, people are more likely to base their judgments on what they can actually see, said Stanley Greenberg, a Democratic pollster. Mr. Obama’s big Oval Office speech seemed a distant memory the very next day, when the president announced that he had forced BP to set up a $20 billion escrow account to cover losses from the spill. It seemed even more distant on Thursday, when Representative Joe Barton, a Texas Republican, was forced to apologize for saying that BP had been subject to a $20 billion shakedown.

    “I’m not impressed with the role of punditry in impacting public opinion,” Mr. Greenberg said. “I just don’t have any evidence of pundits driving it.”

    Indeed, though pundits have taken Mr. Obama to task over the past month, his voter approval rating — a tangible measure of his standing with the public — barely changed, hovering around 50 percent, at least through the end of the week.

    No wonder the White House didn’t seem overly flustered by the bad reaction.

    “Elite opinion still matters, but the Beltway chattering class no longer has a monopoly on influencing public opinion,” said Dan Pfeiffer, the White House communications director. “On any given day, a blogger, a local reporter or someone on Facebook or Twitter can be as influential.”

    more from the In the Tank with Barry New York Times:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/weekinreview/20nagourney.html?ref=politics

  240. confloyd
    June 20th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    …I will pay for their plane tickets back to Chicago myself!

    Love this. Confloyd, have I ever told you, you crack me up sometimes. Between you, Shadowfax, Admin, and so many of the others here…you guys have me laughing everyday LOL.

    Let’s see if we can take up a collection for these one way tickets. I’m sure even the most economically destitute of Americans would contribute. Heck, they’d probably give more to send him away now….than they did to the whacking laundering campaign that brought him aboard to begin with! 😉

  241. This was mentioned previously in the comments above, but the video is very powerful.

    Senator Kyl of Arizona tells citizens at a town hall meeting that he had a private meeting with dick head to discuss securing Arizona’s border. “President” asshole said, “we’re not going to secure the border because then you [GOP] would have no incentive to pass immigration reform”.

    Listen to the crowd gasp at the revelation of this atrocity. It starts at around 3:30

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpyrlX52TwA&feature=player_embedded#!

    Now, if he would wilfully abandon his duty to maintain our borders, is it a far stretch to think his dithering with the Gulf is purposeful to pass his Carbon Tax fake bullshit?

  242. Fifth dimension, Yes I am sure that alot of us folks that are living from unemployment check to unemployment check would gladly give more than our share to buy the tickets.LOL!

    I hate to throw water on everyone,but when I sit back read all the comments, I realize there are some things happening in the oval office…Rahm Emmanuel, Valerie Jarrett, Axelrove and Gibbs are not well liked and most people think they are giving Obama bad advice and causing havac on the American people…I’m sorry to tell you guys this but I am in this for myself and if Hillary being VP (as long as these others leave) will help the emptiheaded Obama keep on track and actually pass some good policies with Hillary’s help….then I am for it….but then again I’m selfish.

    I hate his guts, but we really don’t have all this time to put in another whole congress, senate and WH to get some things done…we need Hillary’s brains NOW..like yesterday so as long as she has made a deal (which I am sure she would) to help out, I’m not throwing water on it.

  243. Senator Kyl of Arizona tells citizens at a town hall meeting that he had a private meeting with dick head to discuss securing Arizona’s border. “President” asshole said, “we’re not going to secure the border because then you [GOP] would have no incentive to pass immigration reform”.

    ==================

    I have trouble believing Obama would say anything so clear and honest.

  244. shadowfax,

    I apologize again. I had read that Juliette troll but somehow blanked out the memory. So when I read your gentle comment, I didn’t associate it with real trolls!

    I shall withdraw for caffeine. 😉

  245. Here’s the problem that Hillary faces. While I respect the job she is doing as Sec. of State, I cannot return to 2007. Since then, I have learned that the New Democrat Party is corrupt. That the New Democrat Party does not wish to include white voters. That the New Democrat Party has no home for fiscal responsibility. That the New Democrat Party has no interest in border security or effectively combating terrorism. That the New Democrat Party is the party of moonbats like Nancy Pelosi, DailyKos, and Martha Coakley (who believes that Catholics should be allowed to work in emergency rooms).

    By continuting to be a part of the Obama regime, Clinton associates herself with the New Democrat Party and that would have to be factored into any future voting decisions. I don’t believe that it will ever be an issue I have to face. IMO, the New Democrat Party would never allow Sec. Clinton to be nominated for elective office. She represents the Old Democrat Party.

  246. hwc, Your probably right…Nancy especially doesn’t want Hillary anywhere above her slot. If Hillary were VP, they’d have to sit next to each other during the state of the union messages…YUK!

    Although it wasn’t long ago that Nancy honored Hillary, so who knows really, unless you have some inside info?

  247. basement angel
    June 20th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
    ——————

    This is all I am going to say on this matter.

    I don’t think I disputed the fact that Pelosi needs security. I just questioned the price tag and what else it entailed.

  248. JanH,
    Have you seen this??

    US, Israel Warships in Suez May Be Prelude to Faceoff with Iran

    by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu
    Follow Israel news on and .

    Egypt allowed at least one Israeli and 11 American warships to pass through the Suez Canal as an Iranian flotilla approaches Gaza. Egypt closed the canal to protect the ships with thousands of soldiers, according to the British-based Arabic language newspaper Al Quds al-Arabi.

    One day prior to the report on Saturday, Voice of Israel government radio reported that the Egyptian government denied an Israeli request not to allow the Iranian flotilla to use the Suez Canal to reach Gaza, in violation of the Israeli sea embargo on the Hamas-controlled area.

    International agreements require Egypt to keep the Suez open even for warships, but the armada, led by the USS Truman with 5,000 sailors and marines, was the largest in years. Egypt closed the canal to fishing and other boats as the armada moved through the strategic passageway that connects the Red and Mediterranean Seas.

    Despite Egypt’s reported refusal to block the canal to Iranian boats, the clearance for the American-Israeli fleet may be a warning to Iran it may face military opposition if the Iranian Red Crescent ship continues on course to Gaza.

    The warships may exercise the right to inspect the Iranian boat for the illegal transport or weapons. Newsweek reported that Egyptian authorities could stop the ship for weeks, using technicalities such as requiring that any official documents be translated from Farsi into Arabic.

    The magazine’s website also reported that the Iranian navy is the weakest part of its armed forces. Tehran has already backed down from announced intentions to escort the Iranian ships with “volunteer marines” from the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

    The Iranian news site Hamsayeh.net reported, “The move might be in connection to U.S. self-inflicted embargo against Iran aimed at inspecting Iran bound ships for suspected goods related to the country’s nuclear program.”

    Another battle on the high seas may involve one, and possibly two, Lebanese vessels that are aimed at challenging Israel’s sovereignty over the Gaza coastal waters. Hizbullah, gearing up for a reaction to a possible clash between the Israeli Navy (pictured) and the Lebanese boats, has delayed rocket units near Lebanese ports, according to unofficial military sources.

    Israel has warned U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon that Israel will use force, if necessary, to stop the boats, one of which is carrying approximately 70 women passengers and crew organized by Hizbullah support Samar al-Hajj. Her husband is one of several jailed suspects involved in the assassination for former Lebanese anti-Syrian Prime Rafik Hariri.

    Hizbullah has denied it is connected with the Lebanese flotilla, but it has been reported that Al Hajj met with Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah last month. (IsraelNationalNews.com)

  249. Just when you think it can’t get worse.

    Mr. Messaih out golfing.
    BP head out yatching.

    WHO THE HELL IS IN CHARGE?!??!!?

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/internal-bp-document-confirms-matt-simmons-worst-case-prediction-spill-rate-100000-barrels-d

    ” “If BOP and wellhead are removed and if we have incorrectly modeled the restrictions – the rate could be as high as ~ 100,000 barrels per day up the casing or 55,000 barrels per day up the annulus (low probability worst cases).” ”

    and with the 6 moriumtum, tens of thousands of jobs will be eliminated for years.

  250. Correcting the statement that “Martha Coakley (who believes that Catholics should [not] be allowed to work in emergency rooms).”

    Coakley said that anyone who would withhold emergency contraceptive from a rape victim should not work in an emergency room.

    And she’s right. An injured rape victim should not have to be ‘referred to a different hospital’ just to get a morning after pill.

  251. It would have to be at a Catholic hospital, there is always someone else to offer the morning after pill if you have qualms about giving it…and its not just Catholics, many evangelicals are worse about abortion than Catholics.

  252. confloyd
    June 20th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    People who are raped should not go to a Catholic hospital…how hard is that!

    ==================

    LOL! People should not get raped … how hard is that!

  253. I went to a Catholic hospital when I had my last 2 kids….the last one I was in very bad shape and could of hemorrhaged to death…I was in a Catholic hospital and was not allowed to have a hysterectomy unless it was to save my life…now I was pist off and I was Catholic. I had to wait until the next day and have my tubal ligation in a surgery center, instead of immediately after the birth of my child…which screwed up my breast feeding. I fully understand…I don’t go or work in any religious affiliated hospital…don’t like them….they’re hard to work for and they try to push their beliefs on folks, so why would anyone that has just been raped want to be raped again by a facility…go to a private/county hospital.

    I fully understand how it would be from a point of view of being raped…nowadays they have rape specialist in country hospitals…so this argument is not worth waging.

  254. confloyd
    June 20th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
    ————–
    Thanks for the link. I was aware that there were plans for this. I’m sure the Arab media have their biased reports pre-written and ready to go.

    Israel needs to stand it’s ground, no matter what bambi wants.

  255. Jan H, Well there 11 American warships and only one Israeli one…looks like we are escorting the one Israeli ship…don’t you think?? I wonder what happened to the nuclear subs heading to the meditterean??

  256. Coakley said that anyone who would withhold emergency contraceptive from a rape victim should not work in an emergency room.

    I heard her with my own two ears. Live radio interview here in Boston.

    The interviewer asked her what she would say to Catholic health workers who were morally opposed to performing abortions. She said maybe they shouldn’t work in emergency rooms. The interviewer was stunned and gave her an opportunity to rethink, saying something like, “Surely, you don’t mean to say that you think Catholics shouldn’t be nurses?” She said that’s exactly what she thinks.

    I’m sorry. I can’t vote for a party that is so dismissive of religious beliefs. I haven’t been to church in 35 years, but I try to respect people’s religious beliefs. Theirs are every bit as valid as mine.

  257. hwc said:
    Catholic health workers who were morally opposed to performing abortions.

    ==============

    This is not speaking of Catholics who WOULD give a rape victim a contraceptive — only those who would refuse it.

  258. confloyd said:
    …I don’t go or work in any religious affiliated hospital…don’t like them….they’re hard to work for and they try to push their beliefs on folks, so why would anyone that has just been raped want to be raped again by a facility…go to a private/county hospital.

    ==================

    I’m glad we agree that religious hospitals have problems. But how is a person who has just been raped supposed to know this? She would go to the nearest hospital, especially if she has other injuries.

    Imo no facility, religious or not, should be allowed to refuse contraception to a rape victim, or to make them go through the delay of finding some other staff person to hand it to her.

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