The Body Politic Fever

Slowly, ever so slowly, Big Media elites pretend to attempt to understand the anger in the body politic. Even dimwitted Politico is in flux and slowly shifting its orbit away from its Obama sun cosmology.

“Change is Barack Obama’s political calling card and the fuel that propelled his never-waste-a-crisis agenda — but change is boomeranging big time on the president in a turbulent and unpredictable 2010.

For the first time since he emerged as a national political figure six years ago, Obama finds himself on the wrong side of the change equation — the status quo side — with challengers in both parties running against him, his policies or his handpicked candidates. [snip]

If the results of Tuesday’s night’s grab bag of Senate and House elections prove anything, it’s that Obama didn’t copyright the anti-Washington change message. At a time of nearly 10 percent unemployment, anxiety about the economy, two wars and fury about bailouts and Beltway pay to play, the message of change is bigger than any one cause, one party or even Obama himself. [snip]

Obama has become so synonymous with the Washington establishment these days that a top Democratic consultant joked, “What the White House needs to do is endorse the candidate they don’t want to have win, then the candidate they want to win can run as anti-establishment.”

Before Tuesday’s election Mark Halperin cast an analytical eye towards what is happening in the body politic as it awakens to the fact of the multiple Obama treacheries:

“Nothing has the potential to cleanse the body politic as fully as the sacking of incumbents and Establishment favorites.[snip]

When the electoral soap operas are this darn interesting to activists and the media, it is especially easy to forget that the point of politics is not campaigns as sport but to determine who governs. Anger is the word of the year in America in both politics and government — anger at President Obama, Congress, incumbents, Wall Street and, most of all, Washington. Incumbents and Establishment candidates generally have reacted to the threat of this passion by doing combinations of three things: co-opting the rhetoric of rage, adopting populist positions on the hot-button issues of the day and deploying (without irony or hesitation) old-fashioned negative political attacks to try to destroy their opponents.”

Surprisingly, Halperin notes the anger that is apparent to all but the Hopium befuddled and discusses the deeper meaning and the deeper crisis:

“So the real question remains: How do politicians in office now, and after the election, respond to this overarching anger and address the will of the people?

It would be great — if not overly idealistic in rhetoric or reality — to see politicians actually try to figure out why so many Americans are unhappy and look for ways to address their real concerns. This won’t be easy, of course, because the animating rationale of the anger is both diffuse and contradictory. [snip]

Specter won’t have been defeated just because he switched parties. If he loses, it will be because, as a devastating last-minute Sestak television ad says, he became a Democrat to “save one job — his, not yours.

Indeed, much of the bitterness across the country stems from a fundamental anxiety about jobs and the economy, and the belief that Washington isn’t doing anything to fix things. Immigration, health care, deficits, taxes — all of these issues are, at bottom, connected to the short- and long-term concern that the U.S. lacks a serious plan for creating a solid economy for current and future generations. What Americans want and need are politicians who recognize their fears and grapple with the issues in a serious way, even at a time of extreme partisanship in our politico-media culture.”

We addressed that lack of a plan in article after article during the “stimulus” and bailout debates. It was clear to all but the Hopium befuddled that the Obama plans were not plans at all but a “throw money” at the problem tactic to create the impression that something was being done and that he really cared. Like Specter, Obama only cared about one career, “his, not yours”.

It’s that lackadaisical cheap “cool” towards the jobs and lives of “bitter” “clinging” Americans and the so very obvious concern about his own well being and partying, along with his cocktail dress wife, that has long time Democrats forced to admit the Katrina nature of Obama’s self obsession and narcissism “politics”.

“They are risking everything by this ‘go along with BP’ strategy they have that seems like, lackadaisical on this,” Carville told CNN’s Anderson Cooper on Friday. “They seem like they’re inconvenienced by this, this is some giant thing getting in their way and somehow or another, if you let BP handle it, it’ll all go away. It’s not going away. It’s growing out there. It is a disaster of the first magnitude, and they’ve got to go to Plan B.”



Even David Brooks, that great admirer of Obama’s creased pants (“I remember distinctly an image of-we were sitting on his couches, and I was looking at his pant leg and his perfectly creased pant, and I’m thinking, a) he’s going to be president and b) he’ll be a very good president.“) , realizes that the anger is real and it is righteous. Brooks imagines (he imagines it because Brooks does not know, and certainly does not hang out with, any of the “bitter” and “clinging” angry Americans “I divide people into people who talk like us and who don’t talk like us...”) a man called Ben:

“Let’s imagine a character named Ben. A couple of decades ago, Ben went to high school.

It wasn’t easy. His parents were splitting up. His friends would cut class to smoke weed. His sister got pregnant. But Ben worked hard and graduated with decent grades and then studied at East Stroudsburg University and the University of Phoenix.

That wasn’t easy either. Ben would like to have majored in history, but he needed a skill so he studied hotel management. Others spent their college years partying, but Ben worked hard. After graduation, he got a job with a hotel chain. A few years later, he got a different job and then a different one.

He didn’t have lifetime security or a fabulous salary, but Ben worked. He filled in for the night manager, hired staff and cleaned up the breakfast area when that needed doing.

In other words, in school, he labored when others didn’t. At work, he sacrificed when others didn’t. He bought a house he could afford when others didn’t.

We can almost see the sneer on Brooks’ face as he wrote “University of Phoenix”, that online school, and not Harvard or Yale. As much as he tries to sympathize, Brooks has naught but contempt for “Ben” and his ilk. But at least the sympathetic pretense is in the right direction, not aimed at creased trousers.

“This wasn’t a robotic suburban life. It was a satisfying, moral way of living. Ben lived according to an ethos of what you might call “earned success.” Arthur Brooks has a good description of this ethos in his new book “The Battle.” As Brooks (no relation) observes, the key to happiness is not being rich; it’s doing something arduous and creating something of value and then being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor.

For Ben, right and wrong is contained in the relationship between effort and reward. If people do not work but get rewarded, that’s wrong. If people work and do not get rewarded, that’s wrong. But Ben believed that America is fundamentally a just society. He loved his country because people who work hard can usually overcome whatever unfairness is thrust in their way.

But when Ben looked at Washington, he saw a political system that undermined the relationship between effort and reward. People in Washington spent money they didn’t have. They just borrowed it from the Chinese. People in Washington taxed those with responsible homes to bail out people who’d bought homes they couldn’t afford.

People in Congress were caught up in a spoils system in which money was taken from those who worked and given to those with connections. Money was taken from those who produced and used to bail out the reckless, who were supposedly too big to fail.

This was an affront to the core values of Ben’s life.

The rest of Brooks’ column is wasted on his political hallucinations. But the idea of “Ben” is a good one. Ben is the type that Brooks and his finger bowl crowd sneer at as “teabaggers”. In that fight, we side with Ben.

What’s laughable is that Brooks, the admirer of Obama’s creased pants, does not realize the real anger that “Ben” has nor that Obama is the embodiment of “Ben’s” anger. But oddly, Brooks does accurately describe how “Ben” got suckered by Obama and Obama lovers like Brooks. But super intelligent Brooks does not see the underlying self denunciation in his own analysis:

“In a few years’ time, Ben is going to be disappointed again. He’s going to find that the outsiders he sent to Washington just screamed at each other at ever higher decibels. He’s going to find that he and voters like him unwittingly created a political culture in which compromise is impermissible, in which institutions are decimated by lone-wolf narcissists who have no interest in or talent for crafting legislation. Nothing will get done.”

“Ben” voted for Obama on the advice of fools like Brooks. Now “Ben” is very angry against Obama, the “lone-wolf narcissist” and against Brooks’ friends who got bailouts. Obama and his apologists will respond that indeed they did get things done, legislation passed – but none of that has benefited “Ben”. Thus far Barack Obama has benefited himself and his friends and Brooks’ friends.

“Ben” is the body politic. “Ben” is Jane and Jill and Jack and Bill and the feverishly anger “bitter”:

“So far in 2010, an average of 23% of Americans have been satisfied with the way things are going in the United States. That is well below the 40% historical average Gallup has measured since 1979, when it began asking this question. The 2010 average is also the lowest Gallup has measured in a midterm election year, dating to 1982.

Satisfaction with the way things are going is a key indicator to watch leading up to Election Day in November. Low satisfaction ratings have typically been associated with greater net seat change between parties in Congress in midterm election years, as was the case for the 1982, 1994, and 2006 elections. In each of those years, the average satisfaction rating was no higher than 33%. In 1994 and 2006, as is the case this year, the same party controlled the presidency and Congress heading into the elections, and party control of Congress changed hands after Election Day.”

The anger, the fever in the body politic is only going to grow higher. “Ben” and the “bitter” will not go away soon. The ranks of the “bitter” and “clinging” are about to grow.

Forget about the demographics Dimocrats boast about. The “bitter” “Bens” will only grow angrier and more feverish after November’s elections. It’s not just the political elected class that must be thrown out as bums. The Big Media Obama Cult must be flung into the swamps of Washington and Chicago too.

The fever anger is not just against Barack Obama – the fever anger is also against those who enabled Obama. They all have to go before the fever can abate.

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149 thoughts on “The Body Politic Fever

  1. ““Nothing has the potential to cleanse the body politic as fully as the sacking of incumbents and Establishment favorites”

    great article admin!

    I would one other item to this sentence, Americans are also now seeing hacks like Halperin as part of the establishment, and its not bias, its now pure propoganda.

    I used to love wathcing MTP and other MSM, now? I see them as the liberal elitist jokes that they are. Don’t trust them, won’t for a very long time.

  2. This oil spill is just so tragic. Mother Earth will eventually clear herself, and there’s always the next cataclysm…but right here, right now, this is so devastating.

  3. The oil spill is O’s Katrina, and no amount of Gibbs stating that is not so will change that. He just acts like he needs to provide no leadership.

    However the fisherman, etc who rely on the Gulf for their livelihood and the rest of the country DISAGREE.

    I heard that after the latest Press conference in which the Press made a stabb of grilling Gibbs on whether O’s response had been less than timely, each one of the Press Corp was called in and given a verbal dress down.

    That is what happens when Jounalism is so intent on writing their book, and selling their souls to the administration so they can have a tantilizing one only tidbit to make it a best seller. There is a price to pay for that.

  4. How right you are, there will always be the next cataclysm and its gaining strength out in the Carribean….so all this oil is going to be blown right up the Mississippi to the front door of Obama house. I just can’t wait…let all this oil go north to where all of the hopium guzzlers are and see how they like it…

    Hooray for Carville calling Obama out on this….Naive…this is exactly how he handles Iran, and North Korea…and everything…he’s afraid to say anything….so its just sits and sits and simmers, but this oil is going to be blown north!

  5. JanH, Thanks for that information about “Care”. I will ask this young lady again when I see her. Hillary has probably done so much that we don’t even know about for the good of this country and because of media bias we never will.
    Just look at this World’s fair…I am proud that she got this done for America.

    I think its terribly important for the US to be represented at these fairs, even though they are in a foreign country…I think its more important now than it was when they were here in America.

  6. It was always one big narcissistic daisy chain. Obama and his camp finessed their message to make people feel enlightened for supporting Obama, all the while fueling their campaign on misogyny and classicism.

    As someone who does projects, what I can tell you is that someone who has never done anything at 48 isn’t going to start once elected to the White House. There was never any reason to think Obama was going to be anything other than the lazy, pro-corporate dilettante that he is.

  7. Are they keeping all of you up north current with the news of the hurrican season and that we have one out there simmering?

  8. They live in a dream world–Brooks, Halperin, and that law school dean who asked the question: who would you rather have on the supreme court–someone like you or someone better than you. In the state of nature, such ignorance would perish from the gene pool so the generations would survive.

    First, they tried to dismiss the reaction they are seeing now as ignorance, then racism, rather than reading between the lines. At some viceral level they knew it could morph into something terrifying which would rise like a wild flame and consume them their loved ones and their priviledged lives. But on the surface they tied to ridicule it out of existence.

    That tactic was pursued with a vengenance by CNN, NBC, ABC etc. Audiences told them to fuck off and changed the channel. Neverteless their multinational business owners said don’t worry about them. Stay the course, and they did.

    Second, now they have come to the realization that the line they have peddling from the elitist Book of Common Prayer–all things bright and beautiful Obama made them all aint selling in Peoria. So now they move to their default position which is the voters are angry.

    Again, they are wrong. Anger is a vesuvian eruption which continues until it is spent. The fire burns hot for awhile and then it passes. The elites want to believe that because it allows them to believe that they have a future as elites.

    This is a deeper emotion than anger. It is an emotion that runs cold, deep and does not pass so easily. The word is hate. If these spoiled and pampered pets had their wits about them they would see that. It is driven by a passionate belief that they are being robbed of their country, their life savings, their job security and everything that make life worthwhile.

    Robbed by a man who was installed in the presidency by forces unknown for reasons they cannot understand with ambitions that do not include them. And when they worked to support candidates they believed in and had their best interests at heart those candidates were vilified and they themselves were disenfranchised. And now, as the storm clouds of a financial meltdown gather, they do not believe they will be a seat of the Obama lifeboat for them.

    These forces ebb and flow throughout our history. Once upon a time we had a frontier where there was both the promise of opportunity, and the possibility of moving beyond ones economic circumstances to a better life. Thousands went to Alaska during the Gold Rush including my great grandfather, and they never found the gold they were looking for but they could at least dream about it.

    The Great Depression is now beyond the memory of living men, but it was preceded by a Guilded Age and a bubble where shoeshine boys on the streets of New York were giving stock tips to their patrons. Then of course Black Friday, the long trough and the breadlines. I used to know a guy who was one of the leaders of the Alaska seafood industry whose best friend was the head of another company in that industry and his brother was a financial advisor to the Rockefellers.

    He told me that we came perilously close to revolution and the one who saved everyone was Roosevelt and the union movement. Coming from a staunch Republican who married the first wife of Senator Magnuson (D-WA) that statement had the badge of truth. No one wants a revolution, but there are times when people will opt for one and one of them is when everything falls apart.

    And that is why the smoke and mirrors approach of a handpicked manekin and shill like Obama to steer the economy during the worst economic downturn in 80 years was an eggregious mistake by the elites. I know now, or think I do, where they are trying to take us and you will see more signs of it as time goes on. I wrote about it before, and it is a logical response to the economic phenomenon of China, but this is not the way to get there.

    What the corrupt elitists like Brooks, Halperin and their ilk fail to understand is that the critical mass of this country is not elitist but Jacksonian democrat in its mindset and its values. They can put a picture of Christ in a bottle of urine and call it art if that tickles their fancy and laugh at how the have tweaked the noses of people who believe that he is their savior but they should not be surprised if this kind of behavior comes back to haunt them at some future time.

    The genius of Hillary Clinton is that she sees that politics is not just a game of smoke and mirrors. She knows that it must deliver more than something that runs down the leg of a babbling idiot like Matthews that I don’t even want to know about. The competition for power is not an end in itself but a means to an end, and that end is not the gratification of the upper class but making a tangible improvement in people’s lives. Of all the candidates on that stage at the beginning of the campaign she alone had a program that would have done that, and we would have been far better off for it today.

  9. As for Rand Paul’s beliefs — how do we know what ANY of his beliefs are? MSM certainly doesn’t tell us the truth.

    Ah, here’s his own website:
    http://www.randpaul2010.com/

    Oh, ouch. So much for him!

    http://www.randpaul2010.com/issues/a-g/abortion-2/
    am 100% pro life. I believe abortion is taking the life of an innocent human being.
    I believe life begins at conception and it is the duty of our government to protect this life.
    I will always vote for any and all legislation that would end abortion or lead us in the direction of ending abortion.
    I believe in a Human Life Amendment and a Life at Conception Act as federal solutions to the abortion issue. I also believe that while we are working toward this goal, there are many other things we can accomplish in the near term.

    It is unconscionable that government would facilitate the taking of innocent life. I strongly oppose any federal funding for abortion and will stop the flow of tax dollars to groups like Planned Parenthood, who perform or advocate abortions.

    In addition, I believe we may be able to save millions of lives in the near future by allowing states to pass their own anti-abortion laws. If states were able to do so, I sincerely believe many — including Kentucky — would do so tomorrow, saving hundreds of thousands of lives.
    Before 1973, abortion was illegal in most states. Since Roe v. Wade, over 50 million children have died in abortion procedures.

    I would strongly support legislation restricting federal courts from hearing cases like Roe v. Wade. Such legislation would only require a majority vote, making it more likely to pass than a pro-life constitutional amendment.

    I would support legislation, a Sanctity of Life Amendment, establishing the principle that life begins at conception. This legislation would define life at conception in law, as a scientific statement.

  10. Well, according to The Onion, a majority of the government doesn’t trust US citizens:

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-majority-of-government-doesnt-trust-citizen,17459/

    Citing the billions of dollars wasted annually on flavored water and boneless buffalo wings, the number of drunk-driving deaths each year, and the lack of citizen accountability for the rise of Kim Kardashian, government officials registered extremely low opinions of the American people overall.

    “This is the same American populace that failed to prevent us from deregulating the banks that almost caused a complete economic meltdown last year,” Sen. Jim Bunning (R-KY) said. “Year after year, they elect terrible officials who make terrible decisions on their behalf. The fact that I, Jim Bunning, am a two-term U.S. senator really shows you just how far Americans have gone off the rails.”

    “I wouldn’t trust anyone who voted me into office,” he added.

  11. This is an incredible post. I have been gone for a few days visiting my oldest daughter—she is so upset about the oil gusher (can’t call it a spill or leak). We all grew up on the gulf and love it – the breaks my heart. Carville is right except not strong enough. I guess he was watching his words-I don’t think Obama feels things. People that I talk to know that something is very wrong-there is anger and a heavy sense of ‘something missing.’

  12. also meant to say-basement angel and wbboei have it on target in comments above. Notice how Obama always says ‘my’ administration or ‘my’ secretary of whatever. It’s always about him, isn’t it. He does not have a clue about how the rest of us feel.

    Also—please pass it on to boycott BP. Boycotts can work if enough people participate in them (think South Africa).

  13. kc, whats bothering me is that they are not capping this well…I wonder if this oil gusher will be used as a political ploy somehow??? Something is just not right…it looks like everyone is just letting this get out of hand…Obama giving his people 6 months to come up with a plan…come on!!

  14. I watched Obama give the speech at Westpoint today…he seemed rested and in a good mood??? How could that be when the world is unraveling…probably is happening just the way he and his henchman have planned it.

  15. I watched Obama give the speech at Westpoint today…he seemed rested and in a good mood??? How could that be when the world is unraveling…probably is happening just the way he and his henchman have planned it.
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  16. Chris Hedges is an honest man of the left. He has written extensively about Brand Obama–the idea that the man in nothing more than a cipher used by the forces of the corporate state which masquerades as a democracy. Of the many profound questions he dares to ask which carry the discussion beyond the parameters of acceptable discourse, the scariest of all is this: what if the people wake up some day and discover that the problems of society cannot be solved at the ballot box because the system is so rigged that neither candidate represents the American People? That is a question worth pondering, not merely by us but by the elites as well. This tweedle dee vs tweedle dumb different wings of the same bird choice we face so often cannot continue forever. The fact that Obama was presented to us as a point of departure from the politics of corruption and turned out to be the worst example of the jungle rot that afflicts our political system is disillusioning to those who believed him and highly instructive to the rest of us that the answer will not be found within the system.
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  17. wbboei, LOL! You are probably right!

    Just listened to Glenn Beck…he is definitely off his rocker…he is screaming about God more than Jerimiah Wright did…he now says that the Catholic CHurch is divided…half maxist-socialists/the other half normal capitalists…I realize Glenn is a Mormon and I have NO idea what is in his Bible, but surely the part about helping the sick and poor is in his version…this is what the Catholic church does…it helps the poor/sick…you know like Mother Teresa did!! Some feel good minister quoted something and Glenn now says Jesus Christ is a Capitalist…I have never in my life heard such blasphemy….

    THe world has gone crazy…all because of the “ONE”…

  18. The Justice Dept will not be prosecuting Cassano. This is the fraud, thief, lunatic who brought down AIG with his derivative casino. There is no justice in the US. He would implicate all of the other frauds and thieves so Holder and Obama have to protect him. They will do this for British Petroleum also. I fear we will start to see real violence. And only when juries start refusing to convict these people who have snapped and gone after these corporate monsters will those in power get a clue that justice goes both ways. The tipping point is very near.

  19. The post above about Rand Paul’s politics against choice for women is scary. It is very unfortunate that the tea party chose a candidate like Paul to support. It clearly puts them in a place where many independents and moderate Democrats will not go.

    It is too bad that they latched onto that issue instead of concentrating on economics, federal debt, integrity, responsive government, illegal immigration, etc.

    If voters are forced to chose, many will turn back to dems rather than a candidate like Paul.

    I will never vote for a candidate who would impose on others his stance on when life begins.

    I had predicted that the election of Obama will throw the country back to the far right. That appears to be happening.

    Sadly, several friends who were Hillary supporters no longer support her. They are disgusted by her support of O. The fact that her decision to support him is probably a political calculation is also not appealing to these people.

    Hillary really needs to get out soon and speak clearly and forcefully against O and his methods and policies, unless she actually does support him. I hope that she will do this after November and I hope it will not be too late.

    I think it would have been best for the country is Hillary had not joined O and campaigned for him McCain would have won and the country would have been beeter off.

  20. sorry for typos

    I think it would have been best for the country if Hillary had not joined O and campaigned for him. McCain would have won and the country would have been beeter off.

  21. confloyd,

    You’re very welcome.

    —————
    carol,

    I’m not so sure McCain would have won. I think it is very possible that we would have seen even more thuggery (sp?) and cheating by obama’s handlers. Anything to get their idiot into office.

  22. MAY 23, 2010,

    Clinton Prods China on Market Access

    SHANGHAI—U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton nudged China for better market access ahead of a key bilateral dialogue between the two powers beginning Monday.

    For trade to work in any economy, for it to produce the benefits we know it can, there must be a level playing field where domestic and international companies can compete freely,” Mrs. Clinton said Sunday morning, without mentioning China specifically.

    “That’s what drives innovation, benefits consumers and ultimately stimulates broad-based and sustainable growth,” she said.

    Mrs. Clinton spoke at a Shanghai facility of Boeing Co., which she said serves as a model for how U.S. companies can cooperate with Chinese firms to create jobs for both countries. Boeing has a joint-venture with China Eastern Airlines, and China is Boeing’s largest market outside the U.S.

    “American companies want to compete in China. They want to sell goods made by American workers to Chinese consumers with rising incomes and increasing demand,” Mrs. Clinton said. “This is a win-win for our two countries.”

    Mrs. Clinton will co-lead, along with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, the U.S. delegation to the annual U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue. She will be accompanied by 200 American officials, including Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704546304575261502252447006.html?mod=googlenews_wsj#

  23. Admin, your post is so true. Americans were lied to, and it will be the liars on which the voters take revenge. This is why Bill Clinton should be verrrry careful with any support he shows the liar – in – chief’s administration. My views on President Clinton are positive, BUT every time I hear him tout something seemingly positive about Obama, I cringe. My support of Mr. Clinton then begins to fall. Mr. Obama is indeed poison.

    By the way, David Brooks was more likely looking at Obama’s pant’s zipper, not the crease in the pant’s leg.

  24. JanH and CArol,

    According to exit polls, quite a few of McCain’s voters would have preferred Hillary. She would have won by c. 12% to Obama’s c. 7% iirc.

    That indicates that some Hillary people went to McCain, so if she had not campaigned for Obama, more of them might have gone to McCain.

  25. The Clintons gave BO credibility. I believe that McCain would have won if Hillary and Bill had not supported him.

  26. tdo,
    I came close to maxing out for Hillary, then turned to McCain/Palin. I was able to attend one of Palin’s rallies and while in line, talked with a woman who was a Republican for Hillary. I just don’t know how easy it is to figure out who did what.
    nomobama,
    Bill is giving me the heebie jeebies. There is a group called “Education Reform Now” sponsoring TV ads advocating for charter schools in New York State. I guess doing so would give them considerable money from one of Obama’s pieces of legislation. An ad that had featured ordinary people speaking up for the idea has run for several weeks. This morning, early on WPIX, an ad with the same message and sponsor appeared. But it featured pictures of Obama and Clinton. Said they both were for charter schools. Explicitly stated that Obama and Bill Clinton agree.
    I’ve just been to the cluster RD mailbox which is mine, and in it is a letter from Bill on behalf of the DSCC. It goes out of its way to be certain we know it is from Bill. eg: Address label is large, 2 x 4 and top two lines in bold and large letters it says BILL CLINTON, DEMOCRATIC HEADQUARTERS. Letter head is even bigger bold letters: BILL CLINTON, Chappaqua, NY. He begins with “The sad truth is that today’s Republican Party would rather see President Obama fail that see our country succeed.” It goes on for 3 printed pages. The solicitation document gives three options: $750, $500,l $250. I can find no ‘other’ option. Donations will be matched dollar for dollar. The nastiest Republicans have their pictures posted on this document along with one of their terrible quotes. The nastiest Republicans are Rush Limbaugh, Sen. Charles Grassley, Rep. John Boehner, and Sarah Palin. The return envelope has no postage paid option, and is addressed as ATTN: BILL CLINTON in type size twice as large as the rest of the address which is the standard DSCC address.

    I make no judgments about what’s going on. My point is that I’ve been dumbfounded by what I’ve discovered Bill doing to help the current administration just within the past several hours. And I want others to be aware.

  27. I think we all have to consider the possibility that the Clintons really do support the terrible, misguided policies of Obama and his nasty crew.

    I have grown so far from the Dem party….of which I was a life long member….that I don’t see myself going back.

  28. #
    Carol
    May 23rd, 2010 at 11:13 am

    I think we all have to consider the possibility that the Clintons really do support the terrible, misguided policies of Obama and his nasty crew.

    I have grown so far from the Dem party….of which I was a life long member….that I don’t see myself going back.
    __________________________

    “I have grown so far from the Dem Party”

    Carol, what you have done IS grown so far from reality. The Dem Party left US… we didn’t leave them. Why the propaganda against the Clintons? Is it all speculation and esoteric interludes with you or is it a case of just being completely clueless in the world of how things are done in politics?

  29. “I have grown so far from the Dem party….of which I was a life long member….that I don’t see myself going back.”

    Me too. Been a democrat for over 30 years. No. More.

  30. I voted and fundraised a lot for Bill Clinton as well as Hillary (for her Senate and pres. run), I really do not see myself supporting Bill CLinton much anymore.

    I read he supports the VAT and he supports cap n tax. I no longer understand this man, I won’t malign him, but I no longer understand if he understands that he is destroying his reputation as a moderate, centerist dim by endorsing that marxist fool in the WH.

    In my opinion, in 2008, he was dragged into supporting that fraud b/c Bill is a democrat, so I understood that, but now he is acting more like a Obama democrat. I cannot support that nor can I respect that. It stuns me that he doesnt realise what he is doing to his own reputation by endorsing that marxist fool in the WH.

  31. Perhaps it is clear to the Clintons that Obama cannot succeed. In that scenario, efforts to help him might prolong his presidency but would not alter the ultimate outcome.

  32. holdthemaccountable
    May 23rd, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Perhaps it is clear to the Clintons that Obama cannot succeed. In that scenario
    ____________________________

    Of course! When you see an enemy digging himself into a hole, (you support him..) as in keep on digging!

  33. that being said, I will still continue to donate to the Bill’s global initiave fund, he does excellent work with that organization, not that the Obama lamestream media would ever notice.

  34. Just watched the roundtable today. Those are beginning to be fun again.

    1. They showed the 4 candidates that O supported in videos, and then said they all lost. Donna immediately took that and only addressed Specter, and said he defeated himself.

    2. The win in PA, as I understand it was a direct contribution of BC. He was not mentioned once. It was like he did not exist.

    3. They talked about the Mexican Presidents coming to America and criticizing Arizonia’s policy, when his human rights policy is crap.

    3. They discussed the horrible oil situation, and the lack of response from O. They really kind of swept that under the rug, and preferred to blame the whole thing on the people regulated the industry. Of course they are big part of the problem, but O allowing the BP people to clean this up as the Gulf voters flounder to me is unbelieveable. You don’t allow the people who frauded their safety reports, who fight tooth and nail to not let you see the actually footage of the flow to continue to handle this important disaster. Even in Katrina, they sent in the military, and had someone in there, with American interest at heart (and not their bottom line), showing the leadership required to take charge.

    BP is spending more money with lawyers getting ready to limit their liability, than they are at expediously stopping the well, and environmentally solving the problem.

    This will haunt them in Nov and 2012.

  35. If what I am hearing is representative of the group at large then the above analysis is wrong. The former Hillary supporters I know who realize that Obama is Bush III and worry about the possibility that people like Rand Paul will take over the Republican party are in no mood to weigh the equities and support Obama– the man who stole the election, disenfranchised them and is now destroying the country even more so than Bush did. They will sit out the election. That is what they tell me.

  36. Tim, have you noticed the fist fight between Susan Martinez and Wey going on for the Republican nomination? Of course both have gone negative. I am not sure how this will work out for both of them. They could be sending votes to a third condidate.

  37. Perhaps it is clear to the Clintons that Obama cannot succeed. In that scenario, efforts to help him might prolong his presidency but would not alter the ultimate outcome.
    —————————————————–
    In that case, what you are seeing now is judo–using the opponent’s momentum against them. For us, this presents a conflict between what we know in our mind vs what we feel in our heart. Out heart says kick the anti-American bastard in the balls whereas our mind says what good would that do when the country has gone mad as a hatter and has proven itself utterly incapable of forming rational judgments about its leaders in the blizzard of hype emanating from the whore house of big media.

  38. NewMexicoFan:

    is NM a more conservative state? I have some biz there, my collegues there are hispanic Americans and they are very conservative, they love Martinez. They told me that the primaries are getting brutal, but Martinez will pull it out and she will win mainly because people in NM loathe Governor Judas. They loathe the man.

  39. Mrs. Smith

    ….incredibly nasty post regarding me and , I think, totally undeserved.

    The tea party has leaders and candidtates. Our movement has a “leader” who is currently working for the opposition.

    The opposition to Obama and his policies will not wait. The tea Party is filling the void. The Hillary supporting candidtates who won primaries then immediately followed Hillary into the O camp. You may think this is a winning strategy. I do not.

  40. today’s Republican Party would rather see President Obama fail that see our country succeed.”
    ——————————————-
    That line came right out of the DNC Playbook. Bill did not think it up and those are not his words. It is the typical pap you hear from the machine. It implies that if Obama fails the country will fail, when in fact the opposite is true. The truth is Obama is succeeding. He is enacting a big business agenda which is inimical to the American People. And the Republicans have been unable to stop him. They do not have the votes and some of them are RINOs. It therefore follows that there is a correlation between the success of Obama and the success of the country. But it is not a direct correlation, but an inverse one. If Obama succeeds long term then the country is doomed. It is just that simple. Whatever Bill’s intentions are at this point that much is true, in my opinion.

  41. Many people will remember the Clinton’s support of this administration and will hold them accountable for it.

    And Ms. Smith, if you think this is “clueless”, I suggest you take a harder look at the reality that not all Clinton supporters feel the way people on this site do.

  42. Actually, having lived here off and on for 25 years, I feel as though California and it ways have a big impact here. When I moved back East for a while, it really felt the punch. They have been a big Dem state. that is not to say that they don’t have some strong Republicans here. Albuquerque has its first Rep Mayor EVER. We had Gov Johnson, who was a liberal Republican. They believe in unions, and although a lot of them are Catholic, the majority of the hispanics feel aligned to the Dems.

    That having been said, the people that I know of in the Southern Part of the state feel that Susan is a real contender.

    The primary really changed a lot of minds about Judas; however, that did not rub of on Diane Denish. She was a hard core HRC fan right through the convention, and many of us admire her for that. If anything, the other Dems her hold it against her. She even had lawyers ready at the State Delegate convention in an attempt to stop Brian Colon’s hijacking of Delegates for O.

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out. She needs a big Dem turnout to make this happen. I hope see gets it. I am getting tired of HRC supporters taking it in the shorts because of O

  43. The Tea Party anger is based on legitimate grievances. Their solutions tend to be based on right wing mythology about economics. I had a young man explain to me a few months ago that Palin would get elected president and she would cut spending, create jobs and balance the budget. Wrong.

    The problem with Obama’s stimulus plan was that it wasn’t created to really create jobs but to shore up the election fortunes of incumbent politicians of both parties. He doesn’t understand economics in the least – I doubt he’s read a single text in his life. But a stimulus plan is what is needed to create jobs and that’s going to lead to big deficits. A well designed plan though will create tax revenues that will pay the deficit down. That’s how it works. And yes, it does work.

    That’s how the tea party activists are compromised as a force in America. They’re too thoroughly inculcated, as a group, with right wing economics to set things right. That doesn’t mean that they aren’t angry about the right things – by and large, they are. But Libertarianism, which way too many of them are toying with, is not the solution and will only exacerbate the problems that we already have.

    As for Obama’s election, he won because of the economic chaos. When the so-called crash happened, his numbers changed. Now whether that was a real crash, or a crash to put Obama in the White House, I cannot say. The Republicans didn’t even put up a real fight against Obama. McCain took public financing and was outspent 6-1. The GOP got out of the general election in the black, IIRC. That tells you a great deal about whether winning was a priority to them – it wasn’t. They were more than happy to let a Democrat take responsibility for Bush’s mess. I have no doubt that deals were made between Obama and the GOP. They were interested enough in electing him to arrange for the shenanigans in Florida and Michigan that led to Clinton losing the nomination.

    Last but not least, Obama is governing like a Republican. He is to Bush’s right time and time again. If you don’t like the way he’s running his presidency, then you probably wouldn’t be happy with McCain either.

  44. As I posted yesterday, Rand and his Daddy are not the kind of change I want…..they are way out there in most of there views.
    As for Hillary and Bill, I always have given them my support (particulary $$$) but I would be less honest if I did not state that some of their actions in support of Obama have been very hurtful. I really hope they move as far away from Obama as possible and the sooner the better. If she leaves after 2010 midterms, she will be in a great position for a 2012 run ….

  45. As to an earlier comment-

    McCain was a token candidate for the Republicans. McCain’s campaign would have gone no-where as was planned by the GOP, until Sarah Palin not came along. The GOP picking Sarah Palin for the VP spot was supposed to be a “joke”. As fate knows no boundaries, fate turned Sarah Palin into a mega star cutting her teeth on the World stage. Take a bow Sarah. You done good!

    Most of us know, the presidency was Obama’s long before the election. Both party’s feared Hillary as the next president. Knowing ‘our Hillary’ is a no nonsense individual who doesn’t need more money or need to cheat to get things done.

    The Dems/Repubs knew they couldn’t beat her in a fair coontest. They knew they needed to sabotage her campaign in every way possible because she would win… She actually Won th popular vote. But we know it was the corrupt theft of electoral votes she could not fight that would go to Obama.

    They enlished the help of anyone who would listen… they had access to unlimited $$$ courtesy of the biggest whore alive, George Soros. What the partys couldn’t buy or eliminate as potential Clinton allies (think Spitzer), they could destroy using other partner/players on their team.

    The Dems and the Repugs joined hands because neither party wanted to see honest people in the seat of power helping people just because they LOVE their country and love helping people…How stupid is that? Help people? Love the country like the Founding Fathers did? Who are these people from Arkansas?… How could they let honest people run the government? Why that would be just plain suicide. Our Oil Trust Funds would disappear. We would no longer be privileged. We would be ordinary Rich people. Oh, the thought of it is just unconsionable. Our beautiful minds would be faced with what? Poor people? Just too depressing to think about. George, George, are you listening to me? Can I have my pills.. I think I’m going to faint!.. swoon…

    Dems to Repubs.. Nah, we can’t lose. We have drawn from every corrupt organization on earth from the DNC, GOP, CBC, MSNBC, The Daly Machine, the Chicago Combine. Using the resources of these organizations for a total shut-out of a Clinton presidency. The Clintons won’t know what hit them… they will be blindsided from every direction.. we’ll accuse the first black president Bill Clinton of being a “racist.” The media will play along.. the one lies and another swears to it routine.

    The 2008 election topped even the voter disenfranchisement of the 2000 election as the most openly egregious and corrupt elections in modern times. (how soon the underachievers forget)

    The Obama campaign did whatever it had to do to “get” Obama elected. The media was a necessary BIG TOOL for peddling propaganda as big partners in this theft as well as the Biggest Losers.

    When the democrats were guaranteed little or no opposition against Obama from the Republicans, the flood gates opened- The once whiner, crier, cowardly, Dem Party now became the ruthless, no hold barred Dem Party, galvanizing anyone and everyone who wanted to see the Clintons LOSE.

    The proud architects of this mercenary genocide was led by the Dem politicians. Leading the herd over the cliff, Ted Kennedy, Kerry and his merry band of failures. The bi-lingual Bill Richardson, who recently resurrected his sordid reputation by offering his services for the immigration debacle. The greatly embarrassed and humiliated Al Gore, who should return his Nobel Award, noting it should be given to someone actually deserving or the honor….Nancy Pelosi, secretly in love with Barry, sees herself in the mirror and turns around to see who is standing hind her. Senator Reid- I actually wonder if spent nuclear waste buried at the foot of Yucca Mtn hasn’t leached into his water supply and attached his weakest vital organ, his brain..

    How have things changed since Obama’s election? Look at Donna Brazile’s biography. Hardly any mention of her thundering presence in the Obama campaign noted in her resume. Wonder why?

    http://www.answers.com/topic/donna-brazile

    Anyway, if you broaden your horizons you see how lucky we are having the Clintons right where they are. The doubters are blind to begin with.. so, no great loss there. I get sick of hearing their lame brain epistles justifying their hyperbolic accusations plucked out of thin air.. All it is is just more pollution mucking up the political atmosphere. Just my opinion thats all…

  46. JB,

    Clinton is going to need all Democrats behind her to win. She must have credibility with Obama supporters once she has the nomination. That’s what it’s all about.

    Getting her out of the Senate was key because she didn’t need the stink of what’s going on all over her. She got control of State and is doing a good job. She’ll be unstoppable once she has the nomination. And all those Obama supporters who were hating on her aren’t going to have any options other than to stand up and support her – and they will.

  47. Carol
    May 23rd, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Mrs. Smith

    ….incredibly nasty post regarding me and , I think, totally undeserved.
    ________________________

    Carol, get over yourself. This is a Hillary Clinton site. Stop complaining when you get gob smacked for maligning Bill and Hill Clinton with baseless interpretations of something you’ve read somewhere..

  48. Many people will remember the Clinton’s support of this administration and will hold them accountable for it.
    —————————–
    As a practical matter she had no choice in the matter. The corporate controlled media had already selected their candidate and were poised to destroy the Clintons if they persisted. Never forget what big media did to them during the campaign, calling them racists and accusing them of dividing the party. Personally, I do not think for one minute that Hillary is responsible for the election of Obama. I believe that it was the direct result of exquisite timing of the Wall Street collapse, and the millions of rubes who were naive and desperate enough to believe in Obama’s little magic act.

    That said, if the 2010 election produces the bloodbath which many are now predicting, and she is presented with a legitimate opportunity to challenge Obama in 2012, then she must step back into the ring provided the support is there. If she fails to do that, then it is more probable than not that people will hold her responsible for his presidency and the thousand misfortunes he is bringing to the country. And in that case, Bill’s apparent support may turn out to be too clever by the halves. But what if the political opening does not arise? In that case, we have a problem.

  49. I have to wonder what would happen to Hillary and Bill if they refused to support the dnc and obama. To me, they are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

    The only silver lining in obama’s government is Hillary. She is the only one who has higher polling for the right reasons, stands strong on issues, and yes maybe is his “bad cop” but a very effective one at that.

    His real successes are because of her and Bill. When all is said and done, none of the dims will have a leg to stand on if they try to destroy her. No one can say that they didn’t try to make the best of things, all in the country’s interests. No one can say they didn’t do their collective best to repair his disastrous mistakes.

    And yes this is definitely “pollyannish”…but absolutely no one can say that Hillary Clinton didn’t show amazing leadership skills in her tenure as SOS.

  50. Mrs. Smith
    May 23rd, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    sorry unfortunate misspelling typo posted:

    should be “contest”.

  51. JanH,
    Wow, That was a good find about Peter Daou! I can imagine that he and Hillary are good friends. I have not heard a thing from either Bill or Hillary on this spill, have you all?? I know it must be making her sick and she can’t say anything.

  52. Clinton is going to need all Democrats behind her to win. She must have credibility with Obama supporters once she has the nomination. That’s what it’s all about.
    ————————————-
    I think that is quite true. And I know we do not know what is going on behind the scenes. Big media reports about such things are agenda driven and are not worthy of belief. Coup d etats when they occur begin quietly and innocuously.

  53. Its heartbreaking to see those drills in Israel…those little kids running to bomb shelters…its sickening! I remember doing that when I was a child…we were constantly that Castro was going to bomb us with a Russian Nuke!

  54. Mrs. Smith
    May 23rd, 2010 at 1:21 pm
    Carol
    May 23rd, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Mrs. Smith

    ….incredibly nasty post regarding me and , I think, totally undeserved.
    ________________________

    Carol, get over yourself. This is a Hillary Clinton site. Stop complaining when you get gob smacked for maligning Bill and Hill Clinton with baseless interpretations of something you’ve read somewhere..

    Well Mrs. Smith….aside from being totally obnoxious, you are also totally wrong. I made my commnents based on conversations with people who voted for Hillary in the primary, not something I’ve “read somewhere”.

    Making statements based on information you get out of hot air just makes you look stupid.

  55. The only silver lining in obama’s government is Hillary. She is the only one who has higher polling for the right reasons, stands strong on issues, and yes maybe is his “bad cop” but a very effective one at that.
    —————————————–
    Jan a few points in rebuttal:

    1. first, I think Gates is pretty good as well. He has served in both Republican and Democratic Administrations. He and Hillary are not ciphers who were given the nod by Obama, but leaders of independent standing.

    2. second, I do not think that repairing the damage of Obama will ensure she gets her due. That part is invisible to most people. And Lord knows big media hates Hillary psychotically and will censor every word of it.

    3. third, I think she has to separate herself from his policies. She has done that already by saying she is no longer involved in politics for the reasons noted above she must do more than that.

    4. fourth, when the time is right she must find a way to challenge him

  56. The return envelope has no postage paid option, and is addressed as ATTN: BILL CLINTON in type size twice as large as the rest of the address which is the standard DSCC address.

    ====================

    I doubt if Bill Clinton addressed the envelope.

  57. Mrs Smith and Carol,

    Different people on this site have different feelings. That’s one reason why it is such a good site.

  58. “4. fourth, when the time is right she must find a way to challenge him”

    —————-
    On this I agree with you. However when this happens, they won’t be able to say that she tried to sabatoge obama all along and that she didn’t do her best. They can’t paint her as having a second agenda.

    When she goes after him, the media, dnc, and the bots will try to tarnish her, but she has the truth of her actions on her side.

  59. As well, she has stated more than once that obama is the president and that she is following his agenda.

    We can imply many things from that statement.

  60. basement angel
    May 23rd, 2010 at 12:50 pm
    I had a young man explain to me a few months ago that Palin would get elected president and she would cut spending, create jobs and balance the budget.

    DIDN’T SHE GET SOME GOOD RESULTS ON THOSE THINGS IN ALASKA?

    But a stimulus plan is what is needed to create jobs and that’s going to lead to big deficits. A well designed plan though will create tax revenues that will pay the deficit down. That’s how it works. And yes, it does work.

    AS IN WWII.

    That’s how the tea party activists are compromised as a force in America. They’re too thoroughly inculcated, as a group, with right wing economics to set things right. That doesn’t mean that they aren’t angry about the right things – by and large, they are. But Libertarianism, which way too many of them are toying with, is not the solution and will only exacerbate the problems that we already have.

    IT MIGHT BE HEALTHY TO HAVE SOME LIBERTARIANS IN THERE CUTTING SOME PORK.

    As for Obama’s election, he won because of the economic chaos. When the so-called crash happened, his numbers changed.

    BILL SAID LATER THAT MCCAIN’S CHANCE WENT FROM 1 IN 5 DOWN TO SOMETHING LIKE 1 IN 20??? IIRC.

    If you don’t like the way he’s running his presidency, then you probably wouldn’t be happy with McCain either.

    AN HONEST REPUBLICAN IS SOMETHING NONE OF US HAVE SEEN SINCE EISENHOWER.

  61. Mrs. Smith
    May 23rd, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    ==============

    Pls refrain from personal insults.

  62. turndown-

    Sorry to inform you BUT, you don’t get to make the RULES on this site.

    This is a PRO-Clinton site. Anyone and everything ANTI-Clinton is fair game for her most loyal supporters. If you can’t take the heat; malign the Clintons elsewhere.

  63. Turndown: I totally agree with your comment. Over the years, I have been inspired by the contributions of Mrs. Smith to this site as well as your own. They reflect a deep understanding of the political process and a continuing line of strategic thinking. I appreciate both of you.

  64. OFF TOPIC POST
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    Rolling Stones top UK charts with reissue of “Exile on Main Street”…only act ever to top the charts in 5 different decades(would have been six but just lost out to Elvis’ #1’s ). Will probably finish #2 is US behind an album from an MTV show called “Glee”??? Today’s kids just don’t get it.
    =================
    Carru on:)

  65. I suspect if Hillary does run there won’t be a negative comment tolerated on this site. Ann Lewis doesn’t tolerate it on her new Hillary site. Why should they? The Clintons have been persecuted to death. Pink IS a refuge for Hillary supporters who have been fighting the good fight for years.

    As to personal attacks:

    Someone, can’t remember who, called Wbboei a Blog Hog!

    Hogging a Blog? How does one do that?

    Are they scroll bar challenged?

    Another incredulous statement.

  66. For the record Mrs. Smith, I did not malign the Clintons. There was a discussion going on about things Bill has publicly endorsed.

    I don’t see that anyone appointed you to make the “rules”. Your comments today have been childish and destructive. Why don’t you take your own advice and “get over yourself”.

  67. Has anyone seen Hillbuzz today??? The Boyz have a juicy piece of gossip on the thug that occupies the WH, if true it will be bigger than watergate and Monica put together…they said a US media was poking around and asking lots of questions yesterday! hmmm, hmmm!

    If true, it will explain why Michelle has that scowl imprinted on her face permanently, LOL!

  68. On McLaughlin, the group roundly agreed that the oil spill was NOT “Obama’s Katrina”…yet.

    They all said that the situation is still evolving, and that the leak hasn’t been stopped yet.

    So they were leaving open the possibility that Obama’s mishandling of the situation (whether “perceived” or real) could eventually be laid at his feet.

    The way I see it, the administration only recently started getting involved, and mainly to send their people there to make it look like they are “doing something” and that “we care”, to deflect blame.

    And all the while, Obama is enjoying his presidency, at the Correspondents’ Dinner, on the gold course, hosting every god damn sports team, and reveling the status of “celebrity”.

    So this shit is not just coming to the shorelines, it will take out Obama.

    Guaran-damn-teed.

  69. Since the primaries nothing seems to stick to this guy; hopefully the oil spill we change that.

  70. #
    confloyd
    May 23rd, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Has anyone seen Hillbuzz today??? The Boyz have a juicy piece of gossip on the thug that occupies the WH, if true it will be bigger than watergate and Monica put together…they said a US media was poking around and asking lots of questions yesterday! hmmm, hmmm!

    If true, it will explain why Michelle has that scowl imprinted on her face permanently, LOL!
    &&&&&

    (Sung to music of “Summer Nights”)

    Tell me more,
    tell me more,
    like did he have a whore…

  71. Turn Down,

    Alaska was not in a crisis nearing the Great Depression. What is appropriate in one situation is not appropriate in another. Cutting spending will stop job growth. Pork is good when the unemployment rate is high. What the government wants to do is fund projects that create middle class jobs. Those middle class jobs then support other jobs that would have been lost. All those jobs pay revenue to the state and federal government. That pays down the deficit that is created.

    What you’re saying here is the exact reason the Tea Party won’t be taken seriously when it comes time to fix the problems. The deficit isn’t the issue. If we had a good president right now, we’d have an even higher deficit than we do now, but we’d also have a falling unemployment rate.

  72. basement,

    Thanks for a well thought and written post as always.

    The Tea Party man may have been wrong about what policies would suit the current situation. But imo Palin’s performance shows that she is smart enough to find some good policies, whether they are the same she used in Alaska or not. And strong and honest enough to fight to get them through!

  73. Van carrying Clinton to Yale involved in accident
    (AP) – 1 hour ago

    NEW HAVEN, Conn. — Connecticut state police say a van carrying former President Bill Clinton was hit from behind on the Merritt Parkway while he was on his way to deliver the Class Day speech at Yale University.

    Clinton told WTIC-TV on Sunday that the accident was “just a fluke” and that he is fine.

    State police Lt. J. Paul Vance says traffic was nearly at a standstill just north of New Haven because of another accident when a civilian vehicle struck the Secret Service van carrying Clinton at a very low rate of speed.

    The van continued on to Yale, where Clinton gave his address to Yale seniors. He made no mention of the accident during his speech.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gI9jE2jMuTz8ws6vGWONXHkputOAD9FSP32G0

  74. Clinton speaks to Yale grads about unequal world

    May 23, 2010

    NEW HAVEN, Conn. –Former President Bill Clinton told Yale seniors on Sunday to listen to people with whom they disagree.

    In a Class Day speech that included points similar to a commencement address he gave a week ago in West Virginia, the Yale Law School alum said today’s college graduates will be left to deal with a world that has three major problems.

    “It is too unstable; it is too unequal, and it is completely unsustainable,” Clinton said.

    He urged them to change that, and said that will mean working together.

    “One problem we have in the modern world is, we’ve got access to more information than ever before, but we don’t all listen to the same information,” he said.

    A tidbit of information Clinton didn’t give the Yale seniors was that he was involved in a minor traffic accident on the way to the event.

    State police Lt. J. Paul Vance said Clinton’s secret service van was in a traffic jam that was the result of accident just north of New Haven on the Merritt Parkway when it was hit from behind.

    “There was no injury, no endangerment to Clinton,” Vance said. “The motorcade continued on to its destination, and we’re piecing it all together.”

    Clinton told WTIC-TV that the accident was a fluke.

    “It was one of those deals where everybody in the passing lane slowed down, and we all slowed down, and one person didn’t,” he said. “It happened to be the person behind us.”

    During his speech, Clinton told Yale seniors that while the country is less sexist, racist and homophobic than it once was, people today only want to be around those who agree with them.

    “In our media habits, we go to the television sites, we go to the radio talk shows, we go to the blog sites that agree with us, and it can have very bizarre consequences” he said, citing the controversy over the origin of President Obama’s birth certificate.

    He also warned that as information becomes more available, so does the potential for its misuse.

    He noted that Faisal Shahzad, the man accused of attempting to bomb Times Square, received a college degree in the United States before flying back to Pakistan to train as a terrorist.

    “It shows you that when you tear down all the walls, and you can break through all the barriers of information, that the same things that empower you to get access to more information more quickly than ever before could empower you to build bombs,” he said. “It’s an unstable world.”

    Clinton said he believes the mission of every empowered person in the world should be to increase the positive forces and decrease the negative forces of the world’s interdependence.

    “We have to be relentlessly committed to change,” he said. “And change is hard.”

    The address continued a Yale tradition in which graduation speakers typically don’t speak at commencements. The major speech to seniors is instead given the previous day during Class Day festivities.

    Clinton’s wife, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton was Class Day speaker in 2001, and received an honorary degree last year.

    http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2010/05/23/clinton_speaks_to_yale_grads_about_unequal_world/

  75. Hmmmmmmmmm.

    Van carrying Bill Clinton involved in accident.

    NEW HAVEN, Conn. — Connecticut state police say a van carrying former President Bill Clinton was hit from behind on the freeway while he was on his way to deliver the Class Day speech at Yale University.

    Clinton told WTIC-TV on Sunday that the accident was “just a fluke” and that he is fine.

    State police Lt. J. Paul Vance says traffic on the Merritt Parkway was nearly at a standstill just north of New Haven because of another accident when a civilian vehicle struck the Secret Service van carrying Clinton at a very low rate of speed.

    The van continued on to Yale, where Clinton gave his address to Yale seniors. He made no mention of the accident during his speech.

  76. Well all I can say is have you ever tried to get motor oil or grease off…its sticks like hell!

    He may be the teflon Potus, but he will still have that oil smell on him….he isn’t doing enough…if he really wanted to do something he’d have flown down there again when the oil hit the sensitive areas and had that BP CEO by the scruff of the neck.

    We really need to find out just who owns the majority of BP…that might answer some questions.

  77. I have been a follower of Hillary44 for some time now. I agree with you that President Obama’s policies are having a negative impact on our economy and our security here and abroad. For example, thanks to Obama’s ineffective and weak-kneed policies, Iran is about to obtain nuclear weapons which threatens the survival of Israel and may cause an arms war through out the Middle East. What further concerns me is that, other than your blog and a few others like Hillbuzz, no one seems interested in looking into the all the dirty deeds the Obama election team did to get Obama elected in 2008. For example, jbjd.wordpress.com has a detailed fact sheet of the fraud that may have been committed in 2008 to get Obama elected. It is just amazing to me that with so many facts available no one in the MSM seems interested in looking into this. Any way, thanks for all your good work and I will continue to be a regular visitor to your excellent blog.

  78. tshtt1, When I read your post it hit me, why would they allow an arms race in the middle east???
    Was it not Reagan with this Iran/Contra affair that was shipping arms?? Could it be that we are poised to sell all these weapons for billions of dollars?? Just asking?? Don’t really have if it could be true, but just a thought??

  79. Hillary in China and what a welcome she is getting.

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    AMBASSADOR HUNTSMAN: You hardly need the ambassador to stand between a great consul general and a terrific Secretary of State. But I will point out to Secretary Clinton that there is one of our young consular family members with a tee shirt that says, “Future Secretary of State” — got to make special note of that one. There we go.

    (Applause.)

    AMBASSADOR HUNTSMAN: That’s right, yes. Let me just say that the bottom line is, in standing here with the person who could be the most respected person on the world stage — she’s not just our Secretary of State, she’s probably the most respected person on the world stage, when you get right down to it — but if you want to know, really, what the Chinese people feel about the United States, all you have to do is ride on the bus with Secretary Clinton, and watch row after row of people, when they take a look at that bus and they, all of a sudden, discover who is in there. And to see the Secretary come in contact with the people of China, to see them light up, and to see their respect and admiration for the United States of America, but also for our Secretary of State, it warms your heart.

    So, Secretary Clinton, this is a phenomenal consulate family, the hardest-working consulate in the world, I am guessing. But I am also probably willing to say that this is the most exciting place in the entire world to serve in the United States Government.

    So, ladies and gentlemen, I give you your Secretary of State, and perhaps the most respected person on the world stage today, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

    (Applause

  80. Concerning the Clintons, when they do something disagreeable, I believe that they should be called out for it. I have supported both of them in the past, and although this is undoubtedly a pro-Clinton site, I refuse to annoint them saints. Sometimes I read some of the comments here, and they are similar to the lovefest comments made by Bots for their dear leader. It is nonsense. Yes, the Clintons have shown good qualities in THE PAST. But life never stands still, and people’s opinions mirror that to which they are exposed. It makes no sense to whitewash questionable decisions made by the Clintons less you prefer to viewed as a hypocrite that complains about bots who can’t seem to get their heads out of their a$$es when it comes to Obama worship, but then display the same type of destructive, cultish worship of everything Clinton. I like the Clintons, but I won’t pretend that either of them take what I believe are the correct positions on all the important issues that America faces.

  81. I have been giving you updates on the NM gov race. The two leading candidates, Wey, and Martinez have gone negative. Tonite it was announced the the Republican State chair has taken a position of supporting Martinez’s ads, as they are fact based, but they have concluded Wey’s are not. This is a bombshell, and it will be interesting to see how this affects the race. Wey came out and said tha the Chair was promoting sides, and he seemed to indicate that all parties had agreed to not going negative. I am not sure anyone will believe him, since the current chair has indicated he is lying about Martinez.

    The other development is another group have joined in on the same Ad theme that Martinez is promoting. However, get this, up pops photos of none other than Obama, and Hillary Clinton.

    Now don’t you think that is interesting. HRC is not an elected office, but they are smearing her anyway. They really must be afraid. Biden’s photo was not put up. Amazing that they would show her photo. There must be rumors someplace.

  82. yep I think something is up…because Fox has gone rabid on her again…guess they are still scared of the Clinton’s…LOL!

    You guys from New York, what do you think about Andrew Cuomo???

  83. Bloomberg
    Republican Djou Captures U.S. House Seat From Hawaii (Update1)
    May 23, 2010, 1:11 PM EDT

    By Patrick O’Connor and James Rowley

    May 23 (Bloomberg) — Republican Charles Djou capitalized on a split among Democrats to win a special election in Hawaii for a U.S. House seat that Democrats held for 20 years and where President Barack Obama grew up.

    Djou, 39, a Honolulu city councilman, fills the vacancy created by the resignation of 10-term Representative Neil Abercrombie, a Democrat who left Congress in February to run for governor of Hawaii. Djou will have to run again for a full, two- year term in November’s elections when he will face a single Democratic opponent to be picked in a primary.
    The Hawaii race took place in a district where Obama spent much of his childhood and which he won with 70 percent of the vote in 2008. Abercrombie won re-election in 2008 with 77 percent of the vote.

    “The congressional seat is not owned by one political party,” Djou said, the Associated Press reported. “This congressional seat is owned by the people.”

    The AP vote count showed that with 100 percent of the precincts reporting in yesterday’s election, Djou had 39.7 percent, to 31 percent for Colleen Hanabusa and 27.8 percent for Ed Case, the two most prominent Democrats among 14 candidates vying to replace Abercrombie, 71.

    Djou’s victory broke a series of seven victories for Democrats in special elections to fill vacant House seats. On May 18, Democrat Mark Critz won a special election in southwestern Pennsylvania to replace Representative Jack Murtha, a Democrat who died in February.

    Neither Yielded

    Maryland Representative Chris Van Hollen, who heads the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, on May 20 predicted his party would probably lose the special election because of a vote split between Case, 57, a former House member, and Hanabusa, 59, president of the Hawaii state Senate. Neither would agree to yield to the other.

    Faced with the Case-Hanabusa standoff, Van Hollen’s committee earlier this month ended television commercials it was financing that sought to keep the seat Democratic.

    The DCCC spent more than $300,000 trying to prevent a Republican win before ending the ad campaign, according to the Federal Election Commission.

    Democrats hope to regroup and regain the seat in November, Van Hollen said in his comments on May 20.
    “We’re looking at November in Hawaii,” Van Hollen told reporters in Washington. He said he could “confidently predict” that the district’s Democratic candidate then “will get a majority of the vote.”

    Midterm Election

    The party will select its nominee for the midterm election in a Sept. 18 primary.

    Case upset some of Hawaii’s Democratic leaders when he gave up his House seat in 2006 in a failed bid to oust Senator Daniel Akaka in that year’s Democratic Senate primary. Akaka went on to win re-election that year.

    In this year’s race, Case ran on his experience in Washington, saying on his campaign website that he “knows what it takes” in Washington “to revitalize our economy, protect our jobs and balance our budget.”

    Hanabusa ran with the support of Senator Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, who was among those Case angered with his 2006 primary challenge. Inouye, chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, first won his seat in 1962 and is a powerful Democratic figure in Hawaii. Hanabusa had support from labor unions and abortion-rights groups affiliated with Emily’s List.

    Djou and Hanabusa both raised more than $1 million, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Case raised more than $820,000.

    Democrats had hailed Critz’s victory in last week’s Pennsylvania special election as evidence they can maintain their House majority in November’s vote.

    Van Hollen said Republicans “went all in on this race, and voters rejected” the tactics used against Critz, which included linking him closely with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, and Obama. Critz, a longtime Murtha aide, “spoke on the issues” voters cared about, “particularly jobs,” Van Hollen said.

    Republican Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, in rebutting that notion on May 20, focused on what he anticipated would be a win for his party in Hawaii.

    “Tell me the last time a Republican won in Hawaii?” said McCarthy, the chief candidate recruiter for House Republicans. “It’s Hawaii. There is no way a Republican would win.”

    When Djou is sworn into office, the party breakdown in the House will be 255 Democrats and 177 Republicans, with three seats vacant.

    –Editors: Don Frederick, Jim Rubin.

  84. SPECIAL ELECTION TALLEY IS EVEN

    Posted by Moe Lane (Profile)
    Sunday, May 23rd at 10:33PM EDT
    4 Comments

    I’d like to put the history of special elections in the 111th Congress to date in context of well, the 111th Congress. Which is to say that, after all the drama and excitement that we’ve seen thus far, the end result is that… we’re right back to where we started.

    Race Old New Switch? Net
    NY-20 Dem Dem No 0
    IL-05 Dem Dem No 0
    CA-32 Dem Dem No 0
    CA-10 Dem Dem No 0
    NY-23 Rep Dem Yes -1
    FL-19 Dem Dem No -1
    PA-12 Dem Dem No -1
    HI-01 Dem Rep Yes 0
    GA-09 Rep Rep No 0

    The Democrats brag that they have won multiple special elections lately; they are slightly less likely to mention that seven of the eight that they have won thus far this season were also previously held by Democrats; and that five of those seven were for utterly safe seats, at that. But rather than rehash the reasons why we lost the other three races – after all, at the end we lost them – let’s talk about one more: NY-29. That seat was held by Democrat Eric Massa before he imploded earlier this year, then resigned; and the Democratic Governor of New York decreed in response that the special election to replace Massa would happen on… Election Day, over half a year later*. Not exactly the tactic to take by a party confident in its ability to win special elections, no?

    The answer is ‘no, it’s not.’ Just to forestall any tedious attempts to manipulate that sentence into a straight line.

    Moe Lane

    *Whether this is actually legal is, at best, dubious: but it does handily counter the argument that the Democrats are always slaveringly eager to face Republicans in special elections (Massa was a freshman, and the seat is widely expected to flip in November anyway). They’re eager to do so when they think that they’re going to win anyway: but when it’s a toss-up? Not so much.

  85. basil9,
    State police Lt. J. Paul Vance says traffic on the Merritt Parkway was nearly at a standstill just north of New Haven because of another accident when a civilian vehicle struck the Secret Service van carrying Clinton at a very low rate of speed.
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    This just doesn’t sound right…they never let the car carrying the dignitary be the last car…they always have a car in front and one in the back, so I don’t know why or how a civilian car could have struck the President’s car. These motorcades don’t let anyone in their line.

  86. Hillary needs to get out of this corrupt anti-American administration.
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    Finally, A State Gets Help On Illegal Immigration
    By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on May 23, 2010 at 11:30 PM in Current Affairs

    Recently, Gov. Jan Brewer of Arizona went on Greta Van Susteren’s show and discussed the new enforcement law, Obama, and the numerous pleas from her state for help with illegal immigrants crossing over the border (among other things). Here she is:

    After that impassioned plea, if you are thinking that Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, or even California is the state finally getting federal help on this issue, think again. That would be – wait for it – Illinois.

    Yes, Illinois, Obama’s home state, even as he lambasts Arizona for wanting to enforce the law, as this article indicates:
    Immigration crackdown for Illinois; Feds to step up enforcement
    In the midst of an outcry over illegal immigration and Arizona’s new crackdown, a top Department of Homeland Security official visiting Chicago on Wednesday said his agency intended to step up enforcement in places such as Illinois.

    John Morton, who heads U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said his agency intends to expand the Secure Communities initiative, which gives police and sheriff’s departments access to a Homeland Security database that includes fingerprints. The initiative recently grew to include most of Chicago’s suburbs.

    Morton, a former prosecutor, also said the agency intends to increase scrutiny of employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants.

    “If we’re going to bring about meaningful changes in behavior, you have to do that by focusing on the employer,” he said during a meeting with the Tribune editorial board.

    I think many people believe that is a good step to take, target the businesses who are benefiting from, and using, illegal workers. The effect of this crackdown is what one might expect:
    Morton said the government’s stepped-up enforcement would result in a “sharp increase” in deportations this year. Last year’s 400,000 overall deportations were a record, but this year there has already been a 40 percent jump in deportations of criminals, he said.

    Echoing comments by President Barack Obama and others in the administration, Morton said that Arizona’s new law targeting illegal immigration is not “good government.” The law makes it a crime to be in the state illegally and requires police to check suspects for immigration paperwork.

    Morton said his agency will not necessarily process illegal immigrants referred to them by Arizona officials. The best way to reduce illegal immigration is through a comprehensive federal approach, not a patchwork of state laws, he said.

    “I don’t think the Arizona law, or laws like it, are the solution,” Morton said. (oavila@tribune.com)

    Huh? Let me try and understand this: in Illinois, they are going to ferret out employers who are employing illegal workers, and will deport said workers. Okay. But they will NOT necessarily deport illegal immigrants if they come from the state of Arizona? And that would be WHY, exactly?

    Passing laws that attempt to enforce Federal laws are “not the solution”? Enforcing federal laws is not the solution? Arizona law adds nothing more to its law than those already on the books on a Federal level. So is Morton saying Federal law should not be enforced? Wowie zowie, that can open a whole new can of worms.

    Moreover, it IS a crime to be in a state, Arizona or Illinois, or any of the other 48 states illegally, not to mention the COUNTRY. So how is that not “good government” for Arizona to try and enforce the law?? The sheer hoops and loops that Morton is jumping through with his political double-speak and incredibly faulty logic to emulate Obama’s politically-motived attacks on Arizona are just laughable.

    But I bet Arizona isn’t laughing.

  87. South Korea has now closed all shipping lanes…they are taking North Korea to the security council and all trains traveling between countries have stopped.

    I guess poor Hillary is working hard again.

  88. Sadly, several friends who were Hillary supporters no longer support her. They are disgusted by her support of O. The fact that her decision to support him is probably a political calculation is also not appealing to these people.

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    Thanks for having the courage to make this valuable post, Carol. This is sad news, but something that we (and Hillary) need to know about.

  89. If Arizona offered some of the aliens a free ride to California — I bet as soon as they bus crossed the state line, the driver would be arrested by California police for transporting illegal aliens.

    And the CA police would let the aliens go free — back on the Arizona side only.

  90. If Arizona offered some of the aliens a free ride to California — I bet as soon as they bus crossed the state line, the driver would be arrested by California police for transporting illegal aliens.

    And the CA police would let the aliens go free — back on the Arizona side only.

  91. Hi nomobama- happy to read your comments.
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    nomobama
    May 23rd, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Concerning the Clintons, when they do something disagreeable, I believe that they should be called out for it. I have supported both of them in the past, and although this is undoubtedly a pro-Clinton site, I refuse to annoint them saints.
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    No one is anointing them saints. Certainly not me. I have heard some posters have shrines to politicians in their homes; this is not the case here. In my memory, I have only disgreed vehemently with Hillary once.

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    Sometimes I read some of the comments here, and they are similar to the lovefest comments made by Bots for their dear leader.
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    maybe so- but then you need to consider the other side of the coin. Are the Clinton’s mirrored reflections of the Obama’s? The answer is: they are as different to each other’s ideology and methods of giving speeches and putting what they say into practice as day is to night.
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    Yes, the Clintons have shown good qualities in THE PAST. But life never stands still, and people’s opinions mirror that to which they are exposed.
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    If that statement had an ounce of truth in it, it would mean every prison guard exposed to criminals on a daily basis would become a criminal himself. False arguments, not a good idea.
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    It makes no sense to whitewash questionable decisions made by the Clintons..

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    Let’s discuss- be specific. Which statements are you referring to. I want to better understand exactly what you mean.
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    unless you prefer to viewed as a hypocrite that complains about bots who can’t seem to get their heads out of their a$$es when it comes to Obama worship,

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    I don’t complain as a rule about Obama supporters because I don’t believe it does any good. Obama supporters have to come to their own realization, Obama is a fraud. He always was and always will be a fraud because he’s two things- LAZY and WEAK. I don’t believe either of those qualities can be attributed to the Clintons; unless you have something on your mind you would like to share.
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    but then display the same type of destructive, cultish worship of everything Clinton. I like the Clintons, but I won’t pretend that either of them take what I believe are the correct positions on all the important issues that America faces.

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    Very interesting- So how do your positions differ from the Clintons. Perhaps in the interests of saving time, which candidate during the run-up to the Primary was closer to sharing your views ?

  92. Lets hope that what took Massa down will also take down Obama and his buddy Rahm…People are actually going to the Chicago Men’s club to investigate…actual reporters.

    It has a website and its very risque…hard to look at what they do at that man’s bath house club…how its legal I don’t know??

  93. The difference between Cintonistas like us and Obamabots is that we are brutally honest. We don’t play games. We are not to be trifled with. And we will call you out on your BS no matter who you are. Period.

    It is the duty of Clinton supporters to let them know while we support them, we cannot and will not support them propping up this fraudulent administration.

    They have very good or very bad reasons for doing so. We don’t know. Regardless, we need to urge them to find a way to put down the Obama poison as soon as they have an opportunity. No politician does anything without being pushed by the people. We have to push them where we want them to be. Pretending we are okay with things that upset us is not how to do it.

    It’s like the kids I work with. When I’m discipline them, some say “You don’t like me.” I say, “Actually, I love you. That’s why I don’t let you get away these things. I can’t just let you do things that are wrong, sorry.”

    It was Hillary herself who said, “You show what you’re willing to fight for when you fight your friends.”

    Politically, the Clintons are our friends. Always have been, always will be. That doesn’t mean I’m not going to fight to get them away from The Fraud.

    For Hillary, it’s tough. Obama is her boss. But it makes me want to throw up to see Bill Clinton, a working class hero, getting pimped out for this Empty Suit. And every chance I get I’m going to try to get them that message. It doesn’t mean I don’t like them. It just means I want them to get off the sinking Obama ship before it’s too late.

  94. 1. I think our political paradigm is obsolete.

    2. The Democrats see themselves as the party of the people, and the sponsor of so many programs that have created a better life, e.g. Social Security, the GI Bill, Medicaid, the Civil Rights Act, Family Medical Leave etc. Sadly, that party is dead and Obama killed it.

    3. Meanwhile, the Republicans see themselves as the party of small government, low taxes and strong defense. They are the guardians of the Constitution, border security and the rule of law. Sadly, that party is dead as well. And Bush killed it.

    4. As long as you cling to those quaint paradigms you will be manipulated into doing things which are not in your long term interest. You will put your faith in people who should not be trusted and when they do what is in their nature but not in your interested you will be forlorn and at a loss to explain what is occurring.

    5. An all because you thought party label was the thing.

    6. Let me suggest an alternative paradigm, one which explains what is happening in our political system; one that would enable us to mobilize far more effectively against the common enemy if it were widely accepted.

    7. Simply put, the new paradigm looks behind the party label of a candidate and asks a more telling question about the candidate: are you on the side of the elites, or the American People? We now know that many democrats are on the side of the elites–Rezko dealing Obama is a prime example of that. And some republicans are on the side of the people.

    8. If more people adopted the new paradigm then we would not be surprised when politicians fail to conform to expectations, and do things which are harmful to the people. More important however we could hold them accountable and if necessary fire them, without feeling guilty about it.

    9. But the most compelling reason to adopt the new paradigm that will enable us to look past party label and see where the natural affinities and coalitions lie. Because there is a greater commonality of interest between an honest member of the left and an honest member of the right, both determined to save this country, than there is betweeen a patriot and an elitist who happen to me members of the same party.

    10. When it comes to the elites, there are more of us than there are of them. But they are more united than we are, and they divide us on the basis of race, income level, party and the like. That situation cannot be allowed to stand.

  95. Good morning all: This is a long but very important speech in Beijings Great Hall as she has done once before in her fight to stabilize this great world and undo the harm that the Hocus Potus is inflicting on it in his mad drive for power.Where there is Hillary there is Real Hope.

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    Strategic and Economic Dialogue Opening Session

    Hillary Rodham Clinton
    Secretary of StateGreat Hall of the People

    Beijing, China

    May 23, 2010

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    Good morning. I want to thank State Councilor Dai and Vice-Premier Wang for their very warm hospitality. It is a pleasure for our entire delegation to be here in Beijing. And it is an honor to join my colleague, Secretary Geithner, and the many officials from across our government in representing the United States at this second round of the strategic and economic dialogue.

    I first visited China in 1995, and I have been privileged to return since then. Every trip to China offers fresh insights and images of the dynamism of this country and its people, the pace of change, and the possibilities for the future. Back in 1995, trade between our two nations was measured in the tens of billions of dollars. Today it is counted in the hundreds of billions. Few people back then had cell phones, and almost no one had access to the Internet. Today China has the world’s largest mobile phone network, and more Internet users than any other country on earth.

    In 1995, both our countries signed on to the Beijing platform for action to advance equality and opportunity for women. And while there is still much to do in both of our countries, I know that Chinese women have made real progress in education, health care, and employment. Hundreds of millions of men, women, and children have been lifted out of poverty. And China has flourished in so many ways. Freer trade and open markets have created jobs in both our countries, and given Chinese consumers access to new goods and to higher standards of living.

    The United States welcomes China’s progress and its accomplishments. And by establishing patterns of cooperation, rather than competition between our two countries, we see the opportunity, as we have just heard from Vice-Premier Wang, for win-win solutions, rather than zero-sum rivalries, for we know that few global problems can be solved by the United States or China acting alone. And few can be solved without the United States and China working together.

    With this in mind, I would like to read a few lines of a letter from President Obama that I will be personally handing to President Hu Jintao. President Obama wrote: “Our relationship with China is guided by the recognition that we live in an inter-connected world. One country’s success need not come at the expense of another. Our progress can be shared. Indeed, the United States welcomes China as a strong, prosperous, and successful member of the community of nations.”

    Over the past 16 months, we have worked together to lay the foundation for that positive, cooperative, and comprehensive relationship that President Obama and President Hu have committed our nations to pursuing. We launched the strategic and economic dialogue last year in Washington, as the premier convening mechanism in our relationship. And this year we have assembled an even broader and deeper team, here in China, to address our growing agenda. We have built avenues of cooperation and identified areas of mutual interest.

    Our job, moving forward, is to translate that common interest into common action and, in turn, to translate that action into results that improve the lives of our people, and contribute to global progress. Over the long term, these results are how our relationship will be measured.

    We are conscious that meaningful progress against great global challenges is the work of years, not days. We know that this gathering, in and of itself, is a foundation for ongoing cooperation that has to take place every day at every level of our government. And so, we will blend urgency and persistence in pursuit of shared goals.

    We have already begun to see progress on some of the key areas of common concern that we laid out in our first dialogue last year. But there is much work to be done.

    First, on international security challenges, the United States and China have consulted closely on the challenge posed by Iran’s nuclear program. The prospect of a nuclear-armed Iran concerns us all. And to address that threat, together we have pursued a dual-track approach of engagement and pressure, aimed at encouraging Iran’s leaders to change course. The draft resolution agreed to by all of our P-5+1 partners and circulated at the Security Council sends a clear message to the Iranian leadership: Live up to your obligation, or face growing isolation and consequences. As we continue to cooperate in New York, the burden is on Iran to demonstrate through its actions that it will uphold its responsibility.

    North Korea is also a matter of urgent concern. Last year we worked together to pass and enforce a strong UN Security Council resolution in the wake of North Korea’s nuclear test. And today we face another serious challenge, provoked by the sinking of the South Korean ship. So we must work together, again, to address this challenge and advance our shared objectives for peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula. We asked North Korea to stop its provocative behavior, halt its policy of threats and belligerence towards its neighbors, and take irreversible steps to fulfill its denuclearization commitments, and comply with international law.

    Now, beyond these two pressing challenges there are other shared security concerns that I look forward to discussing, including the fight against violent extremism in Afghanistan and Pakistan, counter-piracy efforts, and deeper military-to-military cooperation.

    Second, on climate and energy, we have built on the memorandum of understanding signed at the last round of the dialogues, collaborating on new, clean energy research, including a center. We have committed ourselves to an electrical vehicle initiative, and a renewable energy partnership, and more. At Copenhagen, for the first time, all major economies, including both the United States and China, made national commitments to curb carbon emissions and transparently report on their mitigation efforts. Now we must work to implement the Copenhagen accord with balanced commitments that are reflected in the ongoing negotiation.

    And on behalf of Secretary Steven Chu, I extend his regrets. He was unable to be with us, because he had to stay and work very urgently on the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

    Third, on education, health, and development, tomorrow I will meet with State Councilor Lio to launch a new dialogue on educational and cultural exchanges that will deepen understanding and cooperation between our people. I am very pleased that Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius has joined us this year to expand cooperation on infectious diseases and other international health challenges. Our ambassador for global women’s issues, Melanne Verveer, is also here because we recognize that the roles and rights of women are central to many of the issues we face, including devising a global strategy for development that is both sustainable and effective.

    The Obama Administration has worked to advance a long-term investment-driven approach to development. And Administrator Raj Shah is leading our efforts. We have elevated development as a core pillar of our foreign policy, and we seek to coordinate with China and other donors to meet country-led needs and to comply with internationally-agreed standards.

    Finally, we have worked together and seen progress on promoting global economic recovery and growth. Secretary Geithner, Secretary Locke, Ambassador Kirk, Chairman Bernanke, and the rest of our economic team will be talking in greater depth about how we can develop a more balanced global economy that will produce prosperity that reaches further and deeper for both the Chinese and American people.

    Now, our discussions in these few days are unlikely to solve the shared challenges we face. But they can and should provide a framework for delivering real results to our people. We will not agree on every issue. But we will discuss them openly, as between friends and partners. And that includes America’s commitment to universal human rights and dignity, and so much else that is on both Chinese and American minds.

    There is a Chinese proverb that speaks of treading different paths that lead to the same destination. Our two nations have unique histories. China is home to an ancient civilization, as I saw in the Chinese Pavilion when I visited, with the scroll that has been made to come alive, showing life in this city 1,000 years ago. America is a young nation. But we know that our future, both our challenges and our opportunities, will be shared. We have traveled different paths, but that shared future is our common destination and responsibility. And, ultimately, that is what this dialogue is about.

    So, again, let me thank State Councilor Dai and Vice-Premier Wang, and I look forward to our discussions in an open and candid exchange of views. Thank you very much.

    (Applause.)

  96. DefiantOne
    May 24th, 2010 at 2:26 am

    The difference between Cintonistas like us and Obamabots is that we are brutally honest. We don’t play games. We are not to be trifled with. And we will call you out on your BS no matter who you are. Period.
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    DefiantOne- I agree, you have it exactly right.

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    It is the duty of Clinton supporters to let them know while we support them, we cannot and will not support them propping up this fraudulent administration.
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    The Obot refrain consistently heard from Obama’s supporters is basically a response something like: “well, what are you gonna do. We have to wait until the next election.” Which is a face saving response because they were wrong. They joined in with the “Uh, not Hillary” meme when they supported Pretty Boy Edwards and/or the other two Palookas, Richardson and Biden. They resent the fact they were led like sheep to the slaughter substituting their overinflated egos for critical thinking which may have made a difference when we could have used their support.
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    It was Hillary herself who said, “You show what you’re willing to fight for when you fight your friends.”
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    It’s a very delicate dance in a blog community when you call someone out. However, it must be done in the interests of protecting Hillary from the clap-trap abuse dished out by the Republican attack machine and from the ‘selective abuse’ used in arguments here in cherry picking observations condemning the Clintons because of one or two sticking points.

    Then this irrational thinking called the “I won’t vote for her if she doesn’t do thus and so-” threat. The thousands of good qualities Hillary emanates is irrelevant and conveniently ignored by the Thomases. They are not believers, never were. They do not and never will understand either Hillary or Bill’s strategic thinking. They prefer to stamp their feet issue ultimatums and never offer alternative solutions except for dumping Obama. One more thing, as they yammer and complain about Hillary, they never suggest the name of a person who would be better suited to their taste. If they have, it hasn’t been make known to me.

    Apparently, it’s never occurred to them where we might be IF Bill and Hillary retired after the Primary and are sequestered in Chappaqua writing their memoirs.

    Thankfully, the stench of Obama policies will never stick to Bill or Hillary because they have the way to go to correct any policies damaging to us and our country. If you have any doubts about where they stand review video’s of the debates where Hillary has stated and outlined her position on every issue and a plan behind it going forward. She took several glancing blows at Obama. Those have become classics in the I Love Hillary Archives.

    Meanwhile communication is the best way to iron out differences. I welcome a response to this post rather than the usual ad hominems issued. The shouting down technique that never solves a problem but does have the ability to escalate it. (if they were original or funny ad homs, like Unicorns and glitter, I would/could appreciate them)

  97. wbboei: the new paradigm looks behind the party label of a candidate and asks a more telling question about the candidate: are you on the side of the elites, or the American People?
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    IMO this is a good direction. In my lifetime which is now considerable, I’ve always wieghed for perceived good character far more heavily than most issues. Circumstances change and issues may have to be altered. Character should be a more stable measure. Often however, my chosen candidate has not won, and over the years, I’ve been forced to acknowledge that all too often, (moral) right is not political might.

    Another opinion, which I’ve refined overnight, regarding what Bill Clinton is or is not endorsing in order to help Obama, is this: perhaps Bill has endorsed neither of the causes I mentioned upthread. Perhaps his image has been hijacked by those causes. It is certainly within the unscrupulous morality of the Obama team to carry such a travesty out. This could leave Bill with a real dilemma. Until I see a credible video in which he states these endorsements, I personally will entertain the possibility that he was not even aware of what was attributed to him.

  98. I make absolutely no excuses for being loyal to the Clintons. I do not believe they walk on water or can do no wrong. I do not have a shrine for them in my home or elsewhere.

    At the same time, while I do not always understand their actions, now that bimbo is in power, I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I don’t have inside information. I don’t have the full story. So I can’t honestly condemn them with only half the evidence.

    I don’t expect anyone here to agree with me, but I still believe that the Clintons are doing their best to help others.

  99. See, crap like this is why the “small govt” people get traction. I just read a statistic that the number of Dept of Agriculture employees is well over a million. The total number of farm and ranch jobs in the USA is a bit over 700,000. This means that there are more BUREAUCRATS overseeing farming than there are farmers!
    Same with education. In many districts, there are more desk employees and administrators than there are teachers.

    I believe in good govt, and a role for govt, but this crap is freaking out of control. There is NO reason on God’s green earth why there should be more overseers in agriculture than there are workers. NONE – other than the tendency of govt to perpetuate its own power and leech off the taxpayer.

    Mark my words, unless the Dims get serious about downsized, EFFICIENT govt that WORKS, then the American People are going to get fed up and prefer to throw out the whole shebang rather than put up with these bloated tics any longer. Do I think that’s the best solution? Nope. But I fully understand the frustration that leads to the People feeling that’s their only choice.

  100. JanH
    May 24th, 2010 at 10:55 am

    more knives thrown…
    __________________________

    Thanks for posting the notice of the Clinton/Blair HBO Special coming up soon. I read the article and found most of it plausible and palatable until the final paragraph stating:

    “French president Jacques Chirac is quite literally giggling with a bunch of other leaders. He laughs to Blair, “We were wondering – how many centimeters is 5½ inches?”

    FWIW, I remember at the time, European newspapers heralding Bill Clinton as “the man” and strongly criticizing the puritanical Republicans for something they all do (not necessarily with the opposite sex) for the finger pointing using Impeachment as an acceptable form of punishment for Bill’s personal failings. (Ha!) It was probably Chirac’s way of subtly substituting his own legacy for Clinton’s looking for a reaction from his listening audience.

  101. HillaryforTexas
    May 24th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Thanks for posting that information H4T. You make a good and valid point. This is information Sarah Palin could use pointing out to her audience at her public appearances.

  102. Judge Learned Hand once remarked that he doubted that the kingdom of god would be at hand when the last king was guillotined or the last member of the Politiburo was strangled.

    I completely agree with him on that point, and when I say that the elites are the problem I am not suggesting that their elimination is either possible, practical or necessarily desirable. What I am saying however is that their interests are not our interests and increasingly their interests are anathema to our interests.

    The core issues are the outsourcing of manufacturing to the third world to obtain cheaper goods and the adamant refusal to protect our borders to obtain cheaper services. On both points their interests and our interests not only diverge but become irreconcilable.

    Why? Because in both instances the American worker is the loser. Also, in both instances national sovereignty is imperiled, and world government (or at least government defined by newly formed trading blocks) becomes necessary in order to manage this global economy. As a result, the constitution and the voting rights of the American People are sacrificed on the alter of profits, and a better life for the privledged few.

    I happen to believe that the bond between elites and the rest of us was severed over the issue of outsourcing our jobs to China. From their standpoint it makes perfect sense because they can produce the goods more cheaply and sell them back to us and others at bargain prices.

    The difference between their position and ours is they talk theory and we talk impacts. once you allow one employer to do that then it is only a matter of time before all employers must do it and then you wake up one day and you find yourself with no job, and dependent on foreign nations for the manufactured items you need. The further problem is your balance of trade goes to hell, and once the new producer nations build up their own middle class they do not need your market any more.

  103. Way behind on the blog, great post Admin…make me angry after a relaxing weekend.

    This oil spill appears to be soiling Obama’s perfectly creased pants.

    ………Perfect bottom line quote!

  104. Mrs. Smith,

    And of course, the USDA oversees a lot more than simply farm jobs – all of food production comes under their scope and that’s much, much, much larger than the number of farm jobs.

    I have to wonder how much people get paid to put together those emails that are so blatantly false. Somebody somewhere makes a decision to lie about the number of employees at the USDA and send that out on the conservative email list. From there, it gets passed around to thousands of people who now believe a blatant lie told with the intention of angering them. Very weird.

  105. The difference between their position and ours is they talk theory and we talk impacts. once you allow one employer to do that then it is only a matter of time before all employers must do it and then you wake up one day and you find yourself with no job, and dependent on foreign nations for the manufactured items you need. The further problem is your balance of trade goes to hell, and once the new producer nations build up their own middle class they do not need your market any more.
    *************

    In a nutshell

  106. I’m not worried about the Dem nor the Repugs attacking Hillary any more, nor do I feel I need to jump in and point out her good deeds to others.

    Why?

    Because it is clear as day to me and should be to everyone else that Hillary has morals, she is an extremely hard worker and has never stopped working as hard as she can for all Americans, with a special interest in pointing out the the inequality women have in our country and all over the world.

    She has a voting record, she walks the walk and her actions prove who she is.

    Now in contrast, is there one politician, either a Democrat or a Republican that you can say the same for?

    …….
    …………
    …….no, not one!!

    That being said, it is obvious to me why Hillary is attacked from both parties, because they do not measure up to this woman, and they know it. They feel threatened and jealous.

    That’s the bottom line, nothing else matters.

  107. Sorry, my bad. No it wasn’t an email – I read it somewhere, and evidently the info was false. I usually check before I post something, but didn’t this time as I’m busy. (The 3 year old grandbaby is here, has a “fart” balloon, and is running around cracking herself up making rude noises! Ah, the simple joys of childhood.) 😀

  108. AMBASSADOR HUNTSMAN: That’s right, yes. Let me just say that the bottom line is, in standing here with the person who could be the most respected person on the world stage — she’s not just our Secretary of State, she’s probably the most respected person on the world stage, when you get right down to it —
    *************

    WOW

  109. Re Wikipedia, I guess everybody already knows not to trust that site…? Anyone can change or enter anything, and some partisans do that.

  110. Turn down,

    That’s not an accurate representation of the process. If you enter information that is false, it’ll be quickly pulled out and replaced with accurate information. That’s what all of the reference links at the bottom are. There is very little in Wikipedia that is false. The editors are aggressive and constantly monitor what’s being entered.

    If you doubt a piece of information, follow the links at the bottom of the page.

  111. IN haste, haven’t read all the comments.

    Imo most people here are too knowledgeable to either condemn or worship the Clintons.

    Bottom line: They are doing the best they can — and they’re the best we have.

  112. Well, I couldn’t think of a better person to head up the defense dept. but when you think of it…why would Gates be retiring or would he be doing something else…this worries me.

    Bottom line Hillary stream lined the state dept. and has it working very well…so yuh think they want her to do the same thing for the defense dept.

  113. basement angel
    May 24th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
    [re Wikipedia ]
    If you enter information that is false, it’ll be quickly pulled out and replaced with accurate information. That’s what all of the reference links at the bottom are. There is very little in Wikipedia that is false. The editors are aggressive and constantly monitor what’s being entered.

    ===================

    Depends on who has become the defacto watchdog for that page, and how fast the bots or the rightwingers are putting up the false information.

    If you read the History (unless it’s been scrubbed too) on some pages you can learn that there is a watchdog whose idea of fairness matches yours, or that there are a balanced team of watchdogs. But how many people study the History page long enough to know which pages are reliable? And even with a good watchdog, you have to check back several times to make sure the watchdog has had time to see the latest version posted. Referring others to wikipedia as evidence is like telling them to look at pictures in the clouds. By the time they look, the picture may have changed again.

  114. JanH
    May 24th, 2010 at 11:12 am
    I make absolutely no excuses for being loyal to the Clintons. I do not believe they walk on water or can do no wrong. I do not have a shrine for them in my home or elsewhere.

    At the same time, while I do not always understand their actions, now that bimbo is in power, I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I don’t have inside information. I don’t have the full story. So I can’t honestly condemn them with only half the evidence.

    I don’t expect anyone here to agree with me, but I still believe that the Clintons are doing their best to help others.
    &&&&&&&&

    Well said!

    I DO have a shrine for the Clintons, all golden and shiny, protected by Rottweilers and a moat.

    And there have been rumors that Bill and / or Hillary can walk on water, but that they prefer not being caught doing it. They don’t like to show off.

  115. We need to argue the facts and logic of all sides. But expressions like ‘Get over yourself’ are vicious personal attacks and have no place here.

  116. Mark my words, unless the Dims get serious about downsized, EFFICIENT govt that WORKS, then the American People are going to get fed up and prefer to throw out the whole shebang rather than put up with these bloated tics any longer. Do I think that’s the best solution? Nope. But I fully understand the frustration that leads to the People feeling that’s their only choice.

    ========================

    It’s not an either/or. In theory there could be a downsized efficient administration spending a lot of stimulus/deficit money where it would really do some good: building roads, schools, environmental projects, etc etc.

  117. Re Wikipedia, yes, the links to sources are a good resource. Just you need to actually follow the link to a reliable source, instead of believing the quote attributed to it in the Wiki article.

  118. holdthemaccountable said:
    Another opinion, which I’ve refined overnight, regarding what Bill Clinton is or is not endorsing in order to help Obama, is this: perhaps Bill has endorsed neither of the causes I mentioned upthread. Perhaps his image has been hijacked by those causes. It is certainly within the unscrupulous morality of the Obama team to carry such a travesty out. This could leave Bill with a real dilemma. Until I see a credible video in which he states these endorsements, I personally will entertain the possibility that he was not even aware of what was attributed to him.

    ===========================

    Bravo! Excellent default position for ANY claims of the Clintons doing or saying something dodgy.

  119. Turn Down,

    As I said, there is very little at Wiki that is factually inaccurate. The way system is set up is that when someone changes an article, the editors are automatically notified. So, if someone goes in and vandalizes an article, it’s usually switched back within minutes. It’s fairly rare to find inccurate information and it’s usually limited to obscure articles.

    This idea that anyone can write anything and it stays up is ridiculous.

  120. I read that piece on the new HBO movie…sounds like its done for the wingnuts both left and right who want to make sure she doesn’t get the Presidency. Its sounds just horrible…it should come with a disclaimer, because according to the books I’ve read its total fiction.

    On the bright side if they are starting this…it means only one thing Hillary is going to throw her hat in the ring, LOL! I’m ready…there are many porches out there that can be swept while they continue to sweep Hillary’s and I’m sure admin and the rest of us can sweep them.

  121. tsuhtt1
    May 23rd, 2010 at 7:09 pm
    I have been a follower of Hillary44 for some time now.
    &&&&&&&&&

    Welcome! (I don’t recall you posting…but then again, I may have just missed it).

  122. basement angel
    May 24th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    So, Hillary moving to the Department of Defense?
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0510/Clinton_to_DoD.html
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    Is this another “Hillary for the Supreme Court” moment or is there really a push here?

    And why? I can’t think that anyone pushing this agenda is acting in her best interests.

    Another way to try and marginalize? Another way to hold her back?

  123. I was wondering the same thing JanH. I wonder who is pushing this…I know Mitch McConnell was the one pushing for the Supreme Court…the republicans don’t want to run against her. I bet no one of them want to debate her, LOL!!

  124. May 24, 2010

    BP Kept Using Toxic Chemical in Gulf After E.P.A. Deadline

    By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL and ANAHAD O’CONNOR

    The effort to stanch the vast Gulf of Mexico oil spill was mired by setbacks on Monday as state and federal officials feuded with BP over its failure to meet deadlines and its refusal to stop spraying a toxic dispersant in the Gulf. The oil company had indicated that it could stem the flow of oil on Tuesday by attempting a procedure known as a top kill, in which heavy fluid would be pumped into the well. But on Monday morning the company’s chief operating officer said the procedure would be delayed until Wednesday. At the same time, BP was locked in a tense standoff with the Environmental Protection Agency, which had ordered the company to end its use of a toxic chemical dispersant called Corexit by Sunday.

    But the oil giant continued spraying the chemical on Monday, despite the E.P.A.’s demand that it use a less toxic dispersant to break up the oil.

    At a news conference in Louisiana on Monday, state and federal officials continued to hammer BP over its response to the spill.
    “BP in my mind no longer stands for British Petroleum, it stands for Beyond Patience,” said Sen. Richard J. Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat in the United States Senate. “People have been waiting 34 days for British Petroleum to cap this well and stop the damage that’s happening across the gulf of Mexico.”

    “What we need to tell BP,” he added, “is excuses don’t count anymore. You caused this mess, now stop the damage and clean up the mess. It’s your responsibility.”Sen. Durbin was joined by the Interior Secretary Ken Salazar and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, who were sent to the region on Monday by President Obama in response to increasing criticism that the White House has not acted aggressively enough on the spill.

    “BP is the responsible party but we need the federal government to make sure they’re held accountable,” Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal said on Monday.

    Mr. Salazar insisted at the news conference that the federal government was not “sitting on the sidelines and letting BP do what BP wants to do.” He pointed out that the government had deployed more than 1,000 vessels to the region, 20,000 plus workers, and burned oil off the surface of the Gulf and deployed miles of protective boom to protect and clean up the shorelines.

    “The federal government has mounted the largest response to fight this oil in all of the history of this country,” he said. Speaking of BP, he reiterated the phrase that the government would “keep our boot on their neck until the job gets done.”

    The top kill method that BP had said it would attempt on Tuesday is one of several proposed methods of stanching the flow of at least 210,000 gallons of oil a day that has been threatening marine life and sensitive coastal areas in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida. BP officials have emphasized that none of the methods have been tried before at the depth of this leak, and the company’s chief operating officer, Doug Suttles, noted the difficulties of working at such depths in explaining why the attempt was being delayed until Wednesday.

    Meanwhile, in a letter over the weekend, the oil company defended its use of Corexit and took issue with the methods that the E.P.A. had used to estimate its toxicity.

    The federal agency initially ordered BP on Wednesday night to propose one or more alternative dispersants to regulators within 24 hours. Then it gave the company 72 hours to stop using Corexit and make a switch. Officials and scientists from the E.P.A. and the oil company met Sunday night and were apparently unable to come up with a compromise before the deadline passed. “We are continuing to use Corexit while we look at other alternatives,” Mark Salt, a spokesman for the oil company, said by telephone from Texas.

    Since the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded a month ago and began spewing oil a mile under the gulf’s surface, BP has applied about 700,000 gallons of the dispersants on the gulf’s surface and in experimental undersea applications directly on the leaking well head. That is the largest quantity of dispersant ever deployed to date to break up an oil spill in United States waters.

    While the Corexit products, made by Nalco of Napierville, Ill., are the time-tested old faithfuls of oil spill treatment, developed in the 80s and 90s, critics say that less toxic and more effective products are now available.

    The purpose of the chemicals is to break up the oil into tiny droplets that drop under the water and can be more readily dispersed by ocean currents so that the oil does not have so great an effect sea life.

    Complicating the standoff between the company and regulators, there are many methods for estimating the toxicity of chemical oil dispersants and no single standard prevails.

    The original E.P.A. order instructed BP “to identify a less toxic alternative — to be used both on the surface and under the water at the source of the oil leak — within 24 hours and to begin using the less toxic dispersant within 72 hours of submitting the alternative,” according to the agency. But it also said that if BP were “unable to identify available alternative dispersant products,” it could instead provide the Coast Guard and the E.P.A. with a detailed description of the dispersants it had investigated and the reason it did not believe they met the required standards.” On Thursday night BP invoked that latter option.

    The letter ticked off some of the alternative dispersants BP had considered and outlined why the company felt each was problematic, often because of other toxicity issues. An official with the environmental agency, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that the E.P.A. was “not satisfied with the response it received from BP” and had demanded several meetings with the company since then, including one at which BP scientists were instructed to brief their counterparts in the federal government about some of what was included in their letter.”

    Last week, after receiving the initial E.P.A. order, BP contacted a number of dispersant manufacturers, including the U.S. Polychemical Corporation — which makes a product called Dispersit SPC 1000 — asking about product composition and how quickly the mix could be produced. In the end it did not place an order, an official at U.S. Polychemical said.

    The Corexit dispersants were removed from a list of approved dispersants in Britain a decade ago because one type of test used in that country found them to be unduly dangerous to animals like lymphets near rocky shores.

    They are still approved for use in the United States and Canada, which rely on different types of testing.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/25/science/earth/25spill.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

  125. 9 people in Iowa are being arraigned for trying to hack into Obama’s student loan records…looks like the “One” doesn’t want anyone looking too close, LOL! He’s getting pist!

  126. Australia expels Israeli diplomat over Dubai assassination

    Australia followed Britain’s lead by expelling an Israeli diplomat after investigations concluded four Australian passports used in the assassination of a Hamas commander were almost certainly forged by Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service…

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/7760123/Australia-expels-Israeli-diplomat-over-Dubai-assassination.html

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    Never mind that this Hamas commander was a terrorist of the worst kind, I can’t believe that there is such a gangster/hypocritical mentality from other nations towards Israel now.

    Yes, I do disagree with how the assassination was done, but given how Great Britian and other major countries have carried out the same acts over and over again in history, this is hypocrisy at it’s worst.

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