Titanic Health Care Victory

The Titanic sailed off today. The pompous, celebrity addicted Captain has been warned of the icebergs in the stormy sea. But still the Titanic sails at full speed.

There was a “signing ceremony” publicity stunt this morning of the Senate bill which supposedly is hated by House Dimocrats, unions, PINOs, the “creative class” clueless” and of course Independents and Republicans. You would not know that the Senate bill is hated from all the celebrations and drinking of Hopium filled Champagne bottles by Dimocrats. The same Dimocrats who admit the health bill is really a health insurance bill. A health insurance bill which transfers trillions of taxpayer dollars to Big Insurance and turns Americans into human money batteries similar to those in the Matrix movies.

The mindless of the Big Media Dimocratic commentariat are even celebrating the death of “Clintonism” today. Recall “Clintonism” and Clinton? – the only guy since FDR in the 1940s who won election twice and left office with 64% popularity and who killed the debt and deficit vampires, as well as helped the nation live in a period of wonderful peace and prosperity. The death of that peace and prosperity era is celebrated and the Age of Fake is celebrated by these callow PINO windbags.

On the day after the Big Insurance and Big PhaRma “Save Obama” vote in the House we expected a much more triumphalist reception on the front pages and broadcasts of Obama’s Big Media masters. But instead of cheers, there was caution. Instead of wild carousing, there were iceberg sightings.

Nancy Bets The House On Healthcare” headlined Politico. Typically reasonable Jay Cost at RealClearPolitics flatly stated “ObamaCare is Politically Vulnerable“. Ross Douthat and David Brooks, the piano players at the New York Times scrawled “A New Beginning, Or A Last Hurrah?” and “it feels like the end of something, not the beginning of something” respectively. The Washington Post stated the obvious “Health-care Vote Looms As Big Issue For November Elections” as a follow-up to the earlier “Historic Win Or Not, Democrats Could Pay A Price.”

PoliticsDaily merely asked “Which Party’s Health Care Bet Will Pay Off In November?” Reuters listed the many publicity stunts Dimocratic allies are planning and noted “Republicans Target Democrats On US Healthcare Reform – Democrats Who Backed Healthcare Overhaul Face Attack Ads.” At Obama fluffers and ceaseless Obama apologists NothingLeft, this confession:

The health reform bill is not popular, either in absolute terms or in historic terms. Just because some of the opposition comes from the left does not mean it will be a political winner for Democrats in the 2010 elections. At the same time, killing the bill would not have made Democrats more popular, because then they would look utterly ineffective in addition to trying to foist an unpopular bill on the country.

At this point, for Democrats as a whole, the least painful political solution is to pass the bill and get it out of the headlines as quickly as possible. That is the least painful of a range of painful options.

The New York Times warned “Big Win For Obama, But At What Cost?” (“historic achievement or political suicide?)

For “Save Obama” congressional representatives who choose to be party hacks rather than representatives of the people, the cost is already clear. In a poll published today, Brad Ellsworth who worried more for Obama than about turning his constituents into batteries to power a machine, the voters have a message.

“Two of the three top Republican hopefuls for the U.S. Senate in Indiana continue to hold double-digit leads over Democratic Congressman Brad Ellsworth. Ellsworth supported President Obama’s health care plan in a state where opposition to the legislation is higher than it is nationally.

A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of likely voters in the state finds former Congressman John Hostettler with a 50% to 32% lead over Ellsworth, a current House member who voted with most other Democrats on Sunday to pass the health care plan. The survey was taken last Wednesday and Thursday nights. Fifteen percent (15%) remain undecided in that match-up.

Ex-Senator Dan Coats now posts a 49% to 34% lead over Ellsworth, with 12% undecided.[snip]

Unless there is a major shift if perception of the health care plan, Ellsworth may face a big challenge convincing voters in the state why he voted for the President’s plan. Just 35% of Indiana voters favor the plan proposed by the president and congressional Democrats, while 63% oppose it.”

Indiana voters might hate Obama’s health scam more than the rest of the nation but the anger is equally distributed nationwide.

“Obama’s approval rating has dropped steadily each month since December, when it was 54 percent. [snip]

In fact, health care was the policy area that drew the second highest negative rating, with 58 percent registering disapproval. The highest negative rating was 62 percent for his handling of the federal deficit.”

The American people can be fooled some of the time, but not all Americans and not all of the time. Asked by pollsters on behalf of CBS, before Sunday’s “Save Obama” vote, Americans knew Obama’s health scam is not about health, it’s about Obama:Asked why Democrats worked to pass a health care bill, 57 percent said “mostly political reasons.”

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Today Big Insurance, Big PhaRma, and Big Obama Dimocrats are on deck celebrating. Barack Obama has signed his health scam into law and the Obama Dimocratic walking dead rejoice.

But the American people in steerage are angry. Anger will grow as more scams embedded in the already scam laden bill are uncovered. The people in steerage are the most in danger from the drunks above deck and on the bridge.

The only way to save the ship from hurtling smack into icebergs is to toss the captain and his simpering lieutenants into the cold sea. That will come in November.


108 thoughts on “Titanic Health Care Victory

  1. National Strike April 15-18
    Prepare in advance so that from April 15- 18 you will:
    *not go to work
    *not send your children to school
    *not do any shopping
    *not purchase gasoline
    *not eat out unless you eat at small Mom and Pop establishments
    They ignored our letters and phone calls, our demonstrations and challenges at town halls,etc. They are taxing us without representing us, so this is the next step. A national strike would be hard to ignore. It’s the last phase of polite public protest before revolution. I plan to participate. It’s not much to ask of anyone who knows that good government does not come to lazy self-indulgent people.
    Please make the effort.

  2. Hold your stomachs, during the celebration Joe Biden, possibly drunk again, said the “F” word (not fraud, the 4 letter word). He said “this is a big f’in deal”. We wonder if he said that to convince himself. Perhaps a question mark is in order. “This is a big f’in deal?”- that’s closer to the truth.

  3. I am a nurse, I have to work, but I will not shop, eat out or get gas…

    The sad thing is, with the value of the dollar, I rarely do anyway…

  4. The best thing that has come from this is: firenancypelosi.com/

    Seems some IT geeks at the RNC had built this site and Michael Steele wouldn’t let them launch it. Said it was beneath them. That was until Sunday night and he said to let ‘er rip.

    The original goal was something like $402,010 in 40 hours to help 40 GOP candidates in places where they could be competitive. Competitiveness was to be based upon states where the money originated (i.e. indicating a high level of hatred for Pelosi). Well, they surpassed their mark in something like 8 or 10 hours and upped the ante. It’s over a million bucks now. $5 at a time. To gauge how well it is doing, think about this- in the 3 minutes it took for me to drive to work this morning, it raised nearly $5K. In the one minute it took to tell my M-i-L about it, it raised $1800+ and since I arrived at work this morning, $300K.

    Oh and a bit of anecdotal evidence this bill sucks donkey dicks, a lawyer pal of mine’s wife received word yesterday that their premium was doubling and they were dropping her hubby (my pal) as he was too much of a burden.

    This thing is the Titanic with a Chernobyl leak on board.

    Can’t wait until these fuckers are gone.

  5. Admin, Titanic sailed into view while I was out of the way in the Bahamas.. The begging by the dastardly incompetent man in the WH and the clueless and stupid woman giving away the farm to the patriarchs and the even more clueless fiddlers fiddling away on the deck and the dancing nincompoops — they are all made for each other. American democracy is going to the dogs big time. I think it started to go downhill right after Reagan and Bush I and the three-way race in 1992. There should have been a run off between Bush I and Clinton and Clinton winning decisively. That didn’t happen. Then came of course, 2000 and the SC putting Bush II in place and that leading to the the current fucker in the WH. Something is terribly wrong. The biggest symptom of it is the death of the free press/media.

  6. “This thing is the Titanic with a Chernobyl leak on board.”

    Okie, you have a way with your words!!

  7. Okie, did you notice the map of states ranked by their donation totals…these are the top ten though not in order of the amounts contributed…
    New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Texas, California, Illinois, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, New Jersey

  8. Thanks, pm. I chose it because it’s radioactive to anyone connected to it. Radioactive to any Dem who voted for any of the bills (call it the John Kerry tag- I voted against/for before I was for/against…)and to any person in the health care industry or who pays taxes or has insurance but will no longer or is self-insured or breathes or takes a dump…..

    I knew my party had lost it in ’08. I just didn’t know they had also become not only nuts but suicidal. If the Dem party was a person, the police would have EOD’d them already and they’d be shot up with a couple of vials of Valium about now.

  9. LoG, yes. 4 are traditional swing states, and another 4 are becoming purple. That is troublesome as all hell.

  10. If the Dem party was a person, the police would have EOD’d them already and they’d be shot up with a couple of vials of Valium about now.

    Correction: “were a person.” I have neglected the conditional subjunctive today. Apologies.

  11. This thing is the Titanic with a Chernobyl leak on board.
    . . . and Captain Nemo at the helm chasing the great white whale called health care deform.

    Meanwhile, on the maindeck we find the EJ Dionnes of big media dancing to a Strauss Waltz and one of them says gayly I hope we pass close to that iceberg so we can all have frozen margaritas. And after the crash that same privileged passenger is heard to say too bad about those poor devils in steerage but there just aren’t enough life boats. They should have booked first class.

  12. “conditional subjunctive”, alright, alright.. 🙂 Good to have you on the board. Hope we see more of your comments.

  13. wbboei, would it be too much of a reach to call Nancy the iceberg? I mean with her frozen features and all it just seems to follow naturally (or unnaturally as it may be). 👿

  14. would it be too much of a reach to call Nancy the iceberg? I mean with her frozen features and all it just seems to follow naturally (or unnaturally as it may be).
    Yes, it is like the old song:

    When an incompetent force like Barack
    Meets an old immoveable iceberg like Poopie
    You get Obamacare which is another word for treason

    Put differently, Bambi and Poopie will be jointly and severally liable for the demise of many dimocrats, to say nothing of the country. History will show that it was a “historic mistake” to force this despised piece of legislation down the throat of the American People. Payback is hell.

  15. The issue , as I stated over the weekend, is will the anger subside? We got caught off guard when we thought the healthcare bill was doomed. Obama is many things, but he likes winning and did not give up. If we are to have real “change” in Nov 2010, the anger that this bill has caused a majority of Americans must be sustained.

  16. “Obama is many things, but he likes winning and did not give up.”

    I don’t see it that way. He had no other choice but to keep at it and beg and plead and bribe and threaten people to vote for it. This is not a win.

  17. Agreed, but try telling the MSM that as the headlines once again are decribing him in deity like fashion.

  18. Good point, jbstones. People will remember it:
    * every time a forced enrollee writes a premium check (or has to pay the fine)
    * get IRS audited
    * see their premiums and co-pays rises
    * see their Medicare plan grow worse

    It will be there any time you see a doctor or deal with hospitals or insurers.

  19. “If we are to have real “change” in Nov 2010, the anger that this bill has caused a majority of Americans must be sustained.”

    That is the key. The anger can only be sustained if we all stay on message. The Republicans are already off-message, their criticisms are all over the place.

    The bottom line is this: “Instead of fixing the economy, Obamacrats passed a bill we rejected, forcing us to buy expensive private insurance and pay higher insurance premiums. Americans who resist will be harassed and fined by the IRS. Obamacare is not reform, it is a trillion dollar bailout scam that raises the deficit. The people who supported it must go.”


  20. The Republicans are off message because they don’t know how to respond. This is a Republican plan and it’s continued thriving will make it easy for them to raise a lots of cash from people who hate it and from an industry that wants to keep it.

    Think about abortion. Republicans say they are opposed to it, but with the White House and both houses of Congress, they never got around to doing anything about it. Why? Because they raise gadzooks of money off of anti-choice activists and actually finding a way to ban abortion outright would put all that money in jeopardy.

    The health insurance bill is even more problematic because health insurance companies are more than willing to put their money where their mouth is. If the Republicans come down on the side of overturning this bill, the insurance companies will funnel a lot of money to their competitors in the Democratic party.

    Neither party is going to be willing to overturn this bill because of the wealth of the health insurance industry. They had $600 million set aside to prevent a single payer system from coming online. They spent $300 million over 15 years ago to defeat the Clinton healthcare proposal.

    We have a real journey to go on here. It’s time to suit up for the battle to protect social security because this dimwit is going to want to turn our retirement over to the geniuses at Wall Street who have broken the world’s economy and have demanded billion dollar bonuses for doing so.


    Defying your constituents is not a good way to start your re-election campaign. Tata, Moslay.


    March 23, 2010
    5 Dems Who Wish They Had Last Week Back
    By Sean Trende

    The final vote on Obamacare did not go as vote counters expected. There were no tears on the House floor, no arms being twisted, and no Jay Inslee guarding the door to prevent recalcitrant Democrats from escaping. Instead, the final vote was something of an anticlimax, passing with three votes to spare.

    There were probably a number of wavering Democrats who were pressured into declaring their support of the bill early who wish they could do the past week over, knowing that their vote wasn’t really needed in the end. These Democrats aren’t necessarily the most likely to lose in 2010, they’re just the ones who seemed to be wavering and who really would have liked to take a couple of those spare “nay” votes:

    5. Earl Pomeroy (ND) – The nine-term Democrat from North Dakota started out his political career as Byron Dorgan’s driver, and succeeded Dorgan as North Dakota’s lone Congressman. But he never quite managed to achieve the popularity of the state’s junior Senator. Pomeroy never garnered more than 60% of the vote until 2006, and was re-elected with less than 55% of the vote in 1994, 1996, 2000 and 2002. Dorgan, by contrast, rarely fell below 65%, even against high-quality opponents.

    Pomeroy voted “yea” on the health care bill in 2009, but subsequent polling has shown him in dangerous territory. A February Rasmussen poll showed him trailing GOP nominee Rick Berg 46% to 40%. Pomeroy represents the most conservative district of any Democrat casting a “yea” vote. While it would have been difficult to walk back the “yea” from November, he probably could have benefitted from finding a problem with the Senate bill, and sticking it with a “no” vote. There is now a very good chance that his career will end this November.

    4. John Boccieri (OH) – The first of our “nay-to-yea” flippers. Boccieri was elected to replace retiring Republican Ralph Regula in a district that had not elected a Democrat since the Harry Truman landslide of 1948. This would be a tough district for any Democrat to hold outside of a good Democratic year like 2008, even one as talented as Boccieri.

    Boccieri faces a field of relatively unknown GOPers, though two have previously held local office. Charlie Cook had the race as “Lean Democrat” before the health care vote; Rothenberg had it as “Democrat favored.” By flipping his vote, Boccieri risks painting himself as a Democrat who will ultimately be there for the leadership when they need him, which is not the best place to be in this district.

    3. Suzanne Kosmas (FL) – Kosmas was in trouble before this vote came up – Rothenberg had her at “tossup/tilt Democratic” while Cook had her as a “Lean Democrat.” But Kosmas owed her victory in the R+3 district mainly to ethical problems besieging the incumbent Congressman, Tom Feeney.

    Kosmas made her fiscal conservatism a mainstay of her campaign. Having voted for the stimulus bill and cap and trade, she will probably not have a record that is perceived as particularly fiscally conservative going into the 2010 midterms. Her first vote against the health care package probably provided a much-needed break from her record of voting with the leadership. Having now switched back, she may find it difficult to re-create that fiscally-conservative perception.

    Even to the extent that Kosmas can boost funding for NASA – a critical employer in her district – the GOP should be able to turn that around on Kosmas, claiming that she was bought-and-paid for. It really becomes a no-win situation for her. Kosmas faces twelve potential GOPers, including two or three who would probably be able to pull together the resources to defeat her.

    2. Betsy Markey (CO) – Markey will likely face a well-funded challenger in State House Minority Whip Cory Gardner (though two other candidates are opposing Gardner for the nomination). Markey was already listed as a tossup in both the Cook Political Report and in Rothenberg’s listings. Markey’s overall voting record is somewhere to the left of Kosmas’s; like Kosmas, she voted for cap and trade as well as the stimulus. But the R+6 district is a few points to the right of Kosmas’s, and she faces a higher quality challenger. After switching her vote, she is quite endangered.

    1. Brad Ellsworth (IN) – Probably more than any other member of Congress, Ellsworth would have liked the opportunity to vote “nay.” Back in November, Ellsworth was running for re-election in a district that had twice elected him with over 60% of the vote, without serious GOP opposition. Today, however, he is running for the Senate statewide in Indiana. His likely GOP opponents, former Senator Dan Coats or former Congressman John Hostettler, are not unbeatable by any stretch, but they are competent, experienced candidates who will have the resources to hammer Ellsworth over this vote. In his old seat, Ellsworth probably could have won re-election. But given that he is running for a statewide office without the benefits of incumbency, Ellsworth probably would have loved to have one of those spare “nay” votes.



    Health-Care Law Will Push Costs ‘Out of Sight’: Jack Welch
    Published: Tuesday, 23 Mar 2010 | 10:40 AM ET Text Size By: CNBC.com
    The newly passed overhaul of the nation’s health care system is expected to push expenses “out of sight” and cost the country “a couple trillion dollars,” Jack Welch, former chairman and CEO of General Electric, told CNBC.

    “Right now, people do get health insurance in a more expensive fashion through emergency rooms and the government supports that,” Welch said in a live interview. “It’s been supported for years and it’s a well known phenomenon.”

    Welch said while he doubts that employees will be laid off due to the expense of health care, the cost of the new policy is going to be “out of sight.”

    “I think we’re talking about a couple trillion dollars…of overage, not savings,” he said.

    “Attacking this thing piece by piece would be a way to go at it, and if the objective is to insure more people, we can do that piece by piece by piece and pay for it,” he said of the bill. “Pay for it with a Medicare, tax on the rich if they want.”

    Congress approved the health-care overhaul late Sunday. President Obama will sign the measure into law on Tuesday.


    And it’s a good analysis of how the “this is how sausage is made” bill was “passed”.

    Sowell agrees with jbstonesfan that complacency allows the vermine in DC to fester. Get out the Black Flag spray!!!


    March 23, 2010
    A Point of No Return?
    By Thomas Sowell

    With the passage of the legislation allowing the federal government to take control of the medical care system of the United States, a major turning point has been reached in the dismantling of the values and institutions of America.

    Even the massive transfer of crucial decisions from millions of doctors and patients to Washington bureaucrats and advisory panels– as momentous as that is– does not measure the full impact of this largely unread and certainly unscrutinized legislation.

    If the current legislation does not entail the transmission of all our individual medical records to Washington, it will take only an administrative regulation or, at most, an Executive Order of the President, to do that.

    With politicians now having not only access to our most confidential records, and having the power of granting or withholding medical care needed to sustain ourselves or our loved ones, how many people will be bold enough to criticize our public servants, who will in fact have become our public masters?

    Despite whatever “firewalls” or “lockboxes” there may be to shield our medical records from prying political eyes, nothing is as inevitable as leaks in Washington. Does anyone still remember the hundreds of confidential FBI files that were “accidentally” delivered to the White House during Bill Clinton’s administration?

    Even before that, J. Edgar Hoover’s extensive confidential FBI files on numerous Washington power holders made him someone who could not be fired by any President of the United States, much less by any Attorney General, who was nominally his boss.

    The corrupt manner in which this massive legislation was rammed through Congress, without any of the committee hearings or extended debates that most landmark legislation has had, has provided a roadmap for pushing through more such sweeping legislation in utter defiance of what the public wants.

    Too many critics of the Obama administration have assumed that its arrogant disregard of the voting public will spell political suicide for Congressional Democrats and for the President himself. But that is far from certain.

    True, President Obama’s approval numbers in the polls have fallen below 50 percent, and that of Congress is down around 10 percent. But nobody votes for Congress as a whole, and the President will not be on the ballot until 2012.

    They say that, in politics, overnight is a lifetime. Just last month, it was said that the election of Scott Brown to the Senate from Massachusetts doomed the health care bill. Now some of the same people are saying that passing the health care bill will doom the administration and the Democrats’ control of Congress. As an old song said, “It ain’t necessarily so.”

    The voters will have had no experience with the actual, concrete effect of the government takeover of medical care at the time of either the 2010 Congressional elections or the 2012 Presidential elections. All they will have will be conflicting rhetoric– and you can depend on the mainstream media to go along with the rhetoric of those who passed this medical care bill.

    The ruthless and corrupt way this bill was forced through Congress on a party-line vote, and in defiance of public opinion, provides a road map for how other “historic” changes can be imposed by Obama, Pelosi and Reid.

    What will it matter if Obama’s current approval rating is below 50 percent among the current voting public, if he can ram through new legislation to create millions of new voters by granting citizenship to illegal immigrants? That can be enough to make him a two-term President, who can appoint enough Supreme Court justices to rubber-stamp further extensions of his power.

    When all these newly minted citizens are rounded up on election night by ethnic organization activists and labor union supporters of the administration, that may be enough to salvage the Democrats’ control of Congress as well.

    The last opportunity that current American citizens may have to determine who will control Congress may well be the election in November of this year. Off-year elections don’t usually bring out as many voters as Presidential election years. But the 2010 election may be the last chance to halt the dismantling of America. It can be the point of no return.

  24. Did this Sowell joker miss Bush’s eight years? Good lord. That’s the most delusional, partisan hack piece of writing read in ages.

  25. Sowell is an idiot. Of course, Obama will do anything to stay in power. So fucking what? Bush stole two elections. Come on.

  26. Admin: Over at RC they are saying that this healthcare bill is Romneycare???They also say and even have an ad of John McCain’s ideas, that seem to be Obamacare??? Just wondering your thoughts on this. Do you think this bill is the republican bill??

    And now for immigration, will wonders ever cease…Obama a paid republican stooge????

  27. Bush allowed our intelligence agencies to spy on Americans without getting search warrants. And he’s worried about the fact that a new administration saw the background on Republicans based on their last names – up to, what was it? the letter L?

    Nothing in that article is truthful, insightful or substantial. It’s a lot of moronic, partisan hysteria by a guy who with no principles whatsoever.

    Why post crap like that? Obama is a fucking threat to this nation, just like Bush was. And Bush didn’t have Clinton as SOS and he had Cheney as VP. Thousands of American military died for no reason whatsoever because he wanted to invade Iraq. Dead. Forever. Sowell was fine going along with all that. He doesn’t care about anyone’s civil liberties or about honest elections.

  28. The last opportunity that current American citizens may have to determine who will control Congress may well be the election in November of this year. Off-year elections don’t usually bring out as many voters as Presidential election years. But the 2010 election may be the last chance to halt the dismantling of America. It can be the point of no return.
    And that is why the anger will not subside. People now know what the stakes are. And they know they know that Obama is a clear and present danger to their future. Tom Sowell is a friend, and I read his comments as a call to arms.

  29. Confloyd, Yes, this is a Republican bill. About the only liberal thing in this bill, is the enlargement of Medicaid. The bill is modeled after MA, which is Romney-Care. The Republicans should be loving this bill, but they can’t like it, because of politics. This bill has components of what John McCain was promoting in his campaign. It is also based on the Republican response to the Clinton health care proposal.

  30. Admin:

    yep, I just received a survey from the DCCC, and I will be letting it rip. I will not hold back.
    My sister-in-law today will make it official soon, she, a physician of over 30 years will be retiring at the end of the year.

    And I find it very ironic that this disgusting bill that will hurt so many seniors, middle class families and small businesses on March 23, 2010.

    Look on on wikipedia what else happened on March 23, 1775, in a speech by Patrick Henry.

  31. Wbboei,

    He certainly isn’t very bright and he either has no principles or no awareness of what’s gone on up for the past eight years. Either way, it doesn’t even begin to rise to the standard of writing and research of this site. It’s like letting your 12 year old surfer nephew critique Melville because you don’t have time.

  32. basement angel
    March 23rd, 2010 at 4:54 pm
    Bush allowed our intelligence agencies to spy on Americans without getting search warrants. And he’s worried about the fact that a new administration saw the background on Republicans based on their last names – up to, what was it? the letter L?

    Nothing in that article is truthful, insightful or substantial. It’s a lot of moronic, partisan hysteria by a guy who with no principles whatsoever.

    Why post crap like that? Obama is a fucking threat to this nation, just like Bush was. And Bush didn’t have Clinton as SOS and he had Cheney as VP.

    I posted “crap like that” because he has some legitimate points about Obama hijacking elections, and pushing through bad legistlation.

    Or did you miss that part?

    Sure, Sowell is a right winger. Sure, he fellated Bush.

    But right now, many left wingers who were quick to raise objections to Bush’s authoritarian ruling style are now saying in effect, “It’s our turn”. And they are curiously mute on their criticisms of the guy in POWER.

    They even like the feeling of an empty victory, a hollow health care something or other bill with many bad compromises and some things they outright object to.

    So I will take legitimate criticisms of Obama where I can find them.

    Also, in order to maintain context, sometimes I’ll post a whole piece, even though certain items I could disagree with. Like the ten point lies, I am pro-choice, even though that author appears to have written complaint number 5 from an anti-choice view point; but their assessment of Stupak was still valid.

  33. The logic here is circular–you know that don’t you?

    If it is a bad bill sponsored by a democrat then it is a republican bill.

    If it is a good bill sponsored by a republican then it is a democratic bill.

    Republican bad. Democrat good.

    Ring the bell and the dog salivates.

    Keep it up. That is what the elites want.

  34. This bill us UnAmerican. It will hurt the people who need healthcare the most. Those who are rich will not be hurt, its middle class families, seniors, the weakest among us who will suffer.
    And then the economy will be severely hurt, the quality of healthcare will go down. This bill helps no one expect the fool in the WH and his lunatic comrades in Congress. Over 70% of Americans hate, and I do mean hate this bill.

    Even polling at BS-channel of National Barry Channel says so.
    About 70% polled of about 1 million people hate this disgusting rationing care bill.


  35. It’s a bad bill. For working class artists like myself, it’s a friggin’ catastrophe. I’ll be so buried by premiums that I’ll never be able to afford copays and deductibles. People are crowing about how Obama has done what no president in 50 years has been able to do, and I keep pointing out that no other president has been willing to sink this low.

  36. He certainly isn’t very bright and he either has no principles or no awareness of what’s gone on up for the past eight years. Either way, it doesn’t even begin to rise to the standard of writing and research of this site. It’s like letting your 12 year old surfer nephew critique Melville because you don’t have time.
    Thank you for setting me straight on this.

    I guess I have been wrong about him for the last 15 years.

    I know him through Hillsdale College and he is a senior fellow at the Hoover Center at Stanford.

    Two of the leading economists of the twentieth century gave major cudas to his seminal work Knowledge and Decisions. I will spare you their accolades. We now know how little a Nobel Prize is worth.

    His other great book The Vision of the Annointed says this–and think about EJ Dionne inter alia when you read this:

    “The intellectual elites–the annointed–often consider themselves “thinking people”, but much of what is called thinking turns out, on examination, to be rhetorical assertion, followed by evasions of mounting evidence against those assertions”

    Isn’t that exactly what we are fighting against on this blog?

    He calls this the vision of the annointed the prevailing mindset of our time and he warns us of its dangers because it rejects contrary evidence and feedback from reality. Isn’t that exactly where we are today?

  37. It’s a bad bill. For working class artists like myself, it’s a friggin’ catastrophe. I’ll be so buried by premiums that I’ll never be able to afford copays and deductibles. People are crowing about how Obama has done what no president in 50 years has been able to do, and I keep pointing out that no other president has been willing to sink this low.
    Well said Basement Angel. That is something I can agree with wholeheartedly.

  38. MARCH 23, 2010, 4:43 P.M. ET Senate Begins Debate on Health-Care Bill Article Comments (11) more in Health »Email Print Save This ↓ More
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    WASHINGTON—The U.S. Senate began debate Tuesday on legislation combining the last pieces to the Democratic overhaul of the health-care system and a shake-up to the student-loan industry, commencing what promises to be a contentious few days.

    President Barack Obama signed into law the main health-care bill earlier Tuesday. It was passed by the Senate on Christmas Eve and then by the House late Sunday by a razor-thin margin.

    The Senate is now debating a series of corrections demanded by House lawmakers in order for their support for the main health-care bill.

    In some cases these changes are significant. The implementation of an excise tax on high-cost insurance plans to help pay for the wider health-care overhaul would be delayed until 2018. Subsidies to individuals to help them afford mandatory health insurance would be increased.

    Democratic leaders added the student-loan industry changes at the last minute. This was again to partially offset the cost of the ambitious health-care changes, and also because it was likely the last opportunity Democrats have to overhaul the student-lending system this year.

    Because Democrats are employing a fast-track budgetary procedure known as reconciliation, the final package will only require 51 votes to pass, not the 60 normally required to approve major pieces of legislation in the Senate.

    Two centrist Democrats have said they will oppose the legislative package because they disagree with the decision to add the student-lending shake-up.

    Democrats won an initial procedural vote necessary to allow the lawmakers to begin consideration of the health-care bill.

    There will now be 20 hours of debate as Republicans try one last time to make arguments against the sweeping health-care changes.

    From there, the minority party has the right to bring up unlimited numbers of amendments, each of which would require a vote.

    Republicans plan to offer a flurry of amendments to the bill, which could delay its passage for days.

    Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R., Ariz.) said that they have “made no determination of how many amendments” would be introduced, but that they already had plenty ready to go.

    “I think we want to have a number of amendments that will highlight deficiencies in the bill, help educate the American people as to the problems in it, and give the Democrats an opportunity to correct some of them,” Mr. Kyl said.

    The amendments will allow Republicans to delay for as long as possible passage of the final piece of the Democratic health-care change.

    Senate Democrats are expected to force the Republicans to hold back-to-back votes without a break, setting up some very long work sessions in the coming days.

    For Democrats, it is a test of whether leadership can keep all of its numbers together voting onside. If the Republicans succeed at winning even a single change to the legislative package, it would be a major headache for Democrats as the bill would have to go back to the House for another vote before President Barack Obama could sign it into law.

    Democrats on Tuesday expressed confidence that no parts of the second health-care bill would fall prey to Republican procedural objections. Senate Budget Chairman Kent Conrad, (D., N.D.) said that he planned to issue a statement later Tuesday that the Budget Committee found that no provisions in the bill should be removed.

  39. Confloyd, Yes, this is a Republican bill. About the only liberal thing in this bill, is the enlargement of Medicaid. The bill is modeled after MA, which is Romney-Care. The Republicans should be loving this bill, but they can’t like it, because of politics. This bill has components of what John McCain was promoting in his campaign. It is also based on the Republican response to the Clinton health care proposal.


    OK, then all these republicans on this site need to shut up about the bill…its capitalism at its finest….you SHOULD love it. Me I wanted what Hillary was going to do….but then again the fight would have still been horrible since the republicans like can’t accept anything unless they put it in….its really grown up of them!


    when speaking about a dog, lets be sure to name it, otherwise folks might get freaking pist off!

  40. Confloyd, there has been some great posts over at The Confluence comparing the Republican response to the Clinton plan and what the current proposal is. Also, there is a You Tube video of McCain calling for mandates and an excise tax on comprehensive health care plans. The video is an ad from the Obama campaign during the election.

    Obama cannot be trusted by friend or foe. When he talks, he lies.

  41. I have a real problem with the capitalists making interest money off students trying to better themselves…if the republicans had their way only the wealthy could afford college…while the rest of us would be in debt for the rest of our lives trying to pay off the loans. Of coarse, then the middle class could stop trying to improve their lives by going to school and the country would revert back to a two class system.

    Did anyone watch Glenn Beck today go after the Catholic Church??I don’t know what these RINO’s are preaching but I am not buying any of this fascist propaganda. We need to sink the RINO’S and Obama, there one in the same, a detriment to America.

  42. Basement Angel, What I can agree with is that no Potus had ever gone that low before and he did it with the help of the republicans…thats what I can agree with.

    I will never vote for either!

  43. confloyd
    March 23rd, 2010 at 6:37 pm
    birdgal, that’s were I read it…its seems there are a few more democrats there than here.

    “Democrats in Exile.”

  44. Obama signs health care reform into law: IRS becomes bounty hunter agency

    Most Americans do not hold positive images of the Internal Revenue Service in their heads. The sight of a letter from them in the mailbox is almost never good news.

    A provision in the new health care reform law requires all Americans to buy health insurance, whether they want it or not. If they fail to do so, the IRS will be knocking on their doors.

    “A new analysis by the Joint Economic Committee and the House Ways & Means Committee minority staff estimates up to 16,500 new IRS personnel will be needed to collect, examine and audit new tax information mandated on families and small businesses,” according to mnd.

    Apart from challenges by 13 states as to the legality of forcing people to buy health insurance, giving the IRS the power to audit families and small business for compliance, opens up questions of privacy issues and abuse.

    “As part of the IRS Restructuring and Reform Act of 1998, Congress, fearing overly aggressive collection practices, explicitly prohibited the IRS from compensating its own collectors based on the amount of money they collect.”

    There are some positive aspects of the new health insurance reform bill, such as eliminating pre-existing condition exclusions.

    However, the mandatory requirement to purchase health insurance, with IRS debt collectors leading the enforcement division, it may be more of a risk than a benefit.

    And what will the Internal Revenue Service do to people who don’t buy health insurance? Seize their assets? Send them to jail?

    If the states that have filed lawsuits against the mandatory purchase requirement win their cases, at least some Americans will be spared from asking the question – What if?


  45. Democratic polling firm PPP:


    It’s really looking like a brutal year for Democrats in the Big Ten states.

    Barack Obama’s approval numbers in the two places we polled this week- Wisconsin and Ohio- tell the story. He won Wisconsin by 14 points in 2008 but we find his approval there at a net -2 (46/48) for a 16 point drop since the election. It’s a similar story in Ohio. He won there by four points in 2008 but our approval numbers there for him tomorrow will show him at -13 (40/53) for a drop of 17 points. If his national approval rating was falling the way it is in these two states he’d be at about 43/53 for the whole country.

    If the election was today Democrats would likely lose something they currently hold in every state where they have something to lose- Pennsylvania Governor and perhaps Senate, Michigan Governor, Ohio Governor, Indiana Senate, Iowa Governor, Wisconsin Governor and perhaps Senate, and Illinois Senate and/or Governor. Only Minnesota doesn’t join the party because Democrats have nothing to lose there.

    What all this really makes me wonder is just how many House seats Democrats are going to lose in the region this year. The smattering of polling we’ve seen has not been very good for the party, but because it’s so limited it’s hard to get a handle on just how bad the situation is. Given the Obama numbers and what we’re seeing in Senate and Gubernatorial polls though I’m guessing it’s not a good picture for Democrats. It’s going to be a very difficult year for the party in this region.

  46. We got caught off guard when we thought the healthcare bill was doomed
    I didn’t. Who will EVER forget 5/31/2oo8?

    Dem’s can’t be trusted because they are Dem’s no more… DINO…extinct as their predecessor’s.

  47. I think to see this law go down it’s going to take a lot more such as a constitutional convention to stop our Healthcare Titanic.

    I think that medical professionals, be they doctors, nurses, physician’s assistants, will need to examine if it it’s worth it to stay in the medical field after this “law” has been passed. We’re already getting worrying signs that doctors will be leaving in droves from such publications as the New England Journal of Medicine. I really think that medical professionals will have to boycott this bill by leaving to save themselves and their patients. This will then expose the deviousness that is this law… all medical professionals and their patients will suffer because care WILL be compromised. Something the Dems keep on lying about.

    Medical professionals NEED to take a stand. They have as much at stake as the rest of us, especially if they care about their patients and the quality of care, not the quantity.

  48. An ewmail going around noted by Rabble Rouser at No Quarter:

    Let me get this straight……we’re trying to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn’t read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a president that also hasn’t read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that’s broke.

    What could possibly go wrong????

  49. from ace via BP

    OMFG – This is so freaking unreal…
    March 23, 2010
    Hardball: Coburn Offers Amendment Denying Viagra Coverage to Sex Offenders

    No, not really. Democrats will either be forced to vote against the measure– compounding their public-image problem — or accept it. And if they accept it, then they’ve changed the House bill, and there will be more voting in both houses of Congress, and more pain.

    Democrats will probably attempt to defeat the amendment, though, and then schedule almost immediately a vote on a standalone bill to achieve the same thing.

  50. The state lawsuit complaint is here
    No need for an Answer to the Complaint.

    There is no rational answer.

    Judgment for the Plaintiffs.

  51. wbboei
    March 23rd, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    That’s been going around for awhile, but is a valid as ever wbb.

  52. Hardball: Coburn Offers Amendment Denying Viagra Coverage to Sex Offenders
    An important Obama constituency. But they cannot vote–lawfully. Therefore, I doubt he will fight for them. Unless Obama can find a way for them to vote unlawfully.

  53. I took my 80 year old father to his doctor today. He is not in the best of health due to diabetes, cholesterol, depression, and a heart condition. Since I’m worried about him, and even more so now that Obamascare is the law of the land, I asked his doctor how this new law would affect my father and his insurance. The docotr had previously made a snide comment about Obama when he was testing my father’s mental acuity, so I was interested in how he felt about this law. He didn’t go into detail other than to indicate that he wasn’t pleased with it. I told that every DemoRat should be booted out of office. He went further with this thought by saying every incumbent should be voted from office, and that he was a conservative libertarian. Anyway, all I could think of was how the AMA supported the bill, and my suspicion that most doctors felt otherwise. My first talk with an actual doctor
    supported that contention. Anyway, as for my father and his Freedom Health insurance, the doctor told me that “by 2014, he [my dad] would not have that insurance anymore. I was left to wonder when I would be sitting down with someone from the so-called death panel, since I believe that really is part
    this health care system, mainly because it sounds to me like my dad is going to be pushed into some type of government sponsored health insurance that will work against his needs due to his age. Top this off with he knowledge that I will be forced to purchase insurance that I don’t currently have, and I’m very angry, and upset right now. I don’t believe in medical doctors the way many others due. I try natural healing before ever visiting a doctor. I actually cured myself from a recurrence
    of bacterial pnuemonia this way a few years ago, after the first ocurrence
    incurred a $12000 dollar emergency room visit. They eventually reduced the bill
    to the $3500 dollar range which I paid out of pocket, and believe
    me, that hurt financially. When I started have the chest pains again
    about a couple of weeks after finishing the antibiotics for the first
    case, I decided to get myself a nebulizer which cost me somewhere around $70 dollars or so, and used some of the collodial silver that I had purchased a couple of years previous to the pneumonia ($700 for a five gallon container) and treated myself that way. It worked better than the antibiotic that I got from
    the hospital. I don’t want to be forced to do something like purchasing insurance when I try to avoid doctors at all costs. I treat my health decently by trying to
    keep my body’s chemistry balanced. Forcing me to purchase insurance is going to have the effect of me having to use the money that I spend at health food stores to pay for crappy insurance that I don’t want. They have made every American fit into the same mold as far as making it seem like we all handle our medical needs the same way, and that really bugs me. The only reason why I went to the doctor for the pneumonia was because I thought that the chest pains that I was having, plus the labored breathing might be a sign of a heart attack. Since the episode was the one and only time that I ever had pnuemonia, I never new the symptoms. If I had suspected pneumonia, I would have gone the nebulizer route, and it would have been my decision. If, by chance I was having a heart attack during that episode, and I died because I didn’t go to a hospital, then it was still my decision. I don’t like being instructed by an overreaching government about MY LIFE choices. It’s none of their Fu€king business. I want the government to stay out of my life. I hate these people.

  54. Coburns’s amendments:


    No Erectile Dysfunction Drugs To Sex Offenders – This amendment would enact recommendations from the Government Accountability Office to stop fraudulent payments for prescription drugs prescribed by dead providers or, to dead patients. This amendment also prohibits coverage of Viagra and other ED medications to convicted child molesters, rapists, and sex offenders, and prohibits coverage of abortion drugs. (Note: the creation of exchanges could allow sex offenders to receive taxpayer-funded Viagra and other ED drugs unless Congress expressly prohibits this action – see additional background attached)

    Bureaucrat Cap and Trade – This amendment would ensure that no provisions in the health bill increase the size of government bureaucracies in Washington, D.C. This amendment requires that for each government bureaucrat added to a government agency as a result of this act, there must be a corresponding decrease in a government bureaucrat at that agency. The federal government should not grow the bureaucracy in Washington, DC when one in 10 Americans is looking for work and twice as many are underemployed.

    Congress Should Not Lecture Americans About Fiscal Responsibility – This amendment would strike the creation of a new $375 million government program the new health bill (The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act) intended to promote personal and financial responsibility. It is ironic that Congress, that amassed a $12 trillion deficit, should lecture Americans about financial responsibility. This government “responsibility” program duplicates existing government programs and adds hundreds of millions of dollars to the tax burden funds. In short, there is nothing responsible about the new responsibility program.

    Repeal New Powers Given to the Secretary of HHS. Nearly 1,700 times in the new health bill (The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act), the Secretary of HHS is given new authorities to write regulations, issue definitions, and decide on the fate of Americans’ health care. Congress should be empowering patients and physicians, not bureaucrats in Washington, DC.

    If You Like the Health Plan You Have, You Can Keep It. President Obama promised that Americans who like their health care plan would be able to keep it. However, the Congressional Budget Office has said that millions of people will lose their current coverage under The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Unfortunately, for many Americans, the reconciliation bill is even worse news, as it made changes to some grandfathering provisions. The changes to grandfathering provisions would mean that individuals with guaranteed renewable plans in the individual market will NOT be able to keep their current coverage at the current price, but would immediately be issued a new policy and charged more. This amendment strikes changes to grandfathered plans, so Americans who like the health care they have actually can keep it.

    Implement Republican Ideas President Obama Has Endorsed To Crack Down on Waste, Fraud, and Abuse. The President’s Proposal for health reform, released on February 22, 2010, highlighted nine Republican ideas to combat waste, fraud, and abuse. This amendment includes each of those policy provisions which have been endorsed by President Obama. Certainly Washington politicians should be serious about stemming the hemorrhaging of taxpayer dollars lost to waste, fraud, and abuse. Senators will have an opportunity to vote on proposals which have received bipartisan support, and which the President has endorsed.

    Ensure Nondiscrimination For Providers Refusing To Perform Abortions and Respect for the Rights of Conscience. This amendment would ensure health care providers are not forced to participate in abortions or discriminated against because they choose not to perform abortions. The federal government should never require health care providers to violate their deeply held moral, ethical or religious beliefs or discriminate against them because they choose to exercise their consciences and not be involved with abortion. This amendment would protect health care providers from being required or coerced to perform abortions.

    Exempt Class I Medical Devices from New Taxation. Taxing latex gloves and band-aids is not health reform and only increases the cost of health care for patients. This amendment would exempt all Class I medical devices – such as band-aids, wheelchairs, hospital beds, and surgical gowns – from new federal taxation.

    Motion to Commit Bill to Committee and Return In Compliance with President Obama’s Promises. During his presidential campaign, then-Senator Obama repeatedly made several promises related to what health reform would accomplish. The bill he signed today breaks those promises. This amendment would send the reconciliation bill back to the Finance Committee and direct the Committee to report back out a bill which would allow him to keep his promise.

  55. I got the Biden/DCSC mailer too and I will be sending it back with some ‘offerings’ from Venus, the blue-front Amazon, nicely deposited on pages from the New York Times.

    And there’s plenty more where that came form.


  56. nomobama
    March 23rd, 2010 at 8:28 pm
    Excellent post. Diet and breathing can do alot to prevent getting sick. Vegetables and fruits are where is is at. Organic and local if possible. And put them through a juicer. That doubles their potency. It is remarkable how much better you feel, and if you can knock off coffee that is a home run. One of the most promising concepts of medical treatment is the Gershon Instiute: http://www.gerson.org/ Not surprisingly the AMA hates them. But after Mayo says there is nothing we can do for you people I know have gone there and been cured or to Lourdes to make peace with their maker.

  57. Looking at some polls on RCP it seems to be shifting in favor of the HC bill being passed. Maybe the initial bump some anticipated.

  58. You know, I’m a moderate guy who believes that each of the two main political parties have problems. I’ve been a Democrat ever since registering to vote back in 1979. I don’t consider myself to be an ideologue, and I chart a centrist course politically because there are things that I can normally support from both side of the political aisle. I write this even though I have voted Democrat in every election up until 2008 which is the year that I voted a solid Republican ticket. The Democrats have turned into something that I don’t recognize anymore. It pisses me off a little when someone writes about the evil Republicans, as if everything that ever had to do with Republicanism should be demeaned. I’ve come to respect Ronald Reagan in some regards as I’ve gotten older. Was he perfect? No way, but he was a patriot and you’d have to be an ass not so be able to see that. Now come to 2010. What do we have in office? A so-called Democrat who would have been no better than a pimple Reagan’s ass. Right now, I could give two shits about those mean old Republicans. They are not the threat to this country that the dear old DemoRats have turned into. I am so angry with the DemoRat party right now. They are loathsome, and any negative comments right now should be directed at them full force. The Republican party has the potential to gain my support for the rest of my voting life, and that has everything to do with my visceral disgust with a blatantly corrupt ObamaRat party and my distrust of anything DemoRat. The DemoRats are out of their freaking minds if they think most Americans are going to love them for what they have done. I hope they rot in hell.

  59. Well, Nobama, that’s great for you. I think Reagan was an absolute dolt who turned on the Democrats when he hit the marginal income tax limit and spent the rest of his life trying to undo the New Deal. I think the Republicans have imposed 40 years worth of horrible policies(save Bill Clinton’s tenor) that have resulted in income disparity that makes us look like Mexico. The Republican Party has moved so far to the Right that it’s become a bunch of rightwing fanatics, and that is the one thing the Democrats have going for them. But I have to laugh when I read someone who considers themselves a moderate hates this administration so much. Find me a domestic policy where Obama is not to the right of Bill Clinton. Is it possible you just personally don’t like Obama? Aside from the Glen Beck fanatics of the Republican Party, the Gingrich’s, the Brook’s, the George Will’s recognize Obama is easily the most rightwing Democratic President in our lifetimes.

  60. mj, That is exactly what I was saying, why is Newt screaming about the bill, its their bill???Why are they still griping…why don’t they shut up?? Obama did it at their behest, hell the republicans put Obama in, lets just quit lying about that.

  61. Lil ole grape – is the April 15th strike a coordinated effort of some kind? Is there a particular group or website involved? If there is I will definitely turn our local talk radio guy on to it. I live in a community that is just incensed right now.

  62. Confloyd, first, have you thought about taking a break from Republican tv? It really is entertainment directed at republicans, like MSNBC is for Obama-bots. Second, Republicans may dis the bill, though certainly not all are, but that is for POLITICAL reasons. If people are all afraid and believe Obama passed secret socialist agenda, then maybe they will vote Republican. The Republicans can not make an honest case against the bill because their principles of corporate welfare are so tied to the legislation. If people believed the democrats passed a rightwing shceme to subsidize the private insurance industry they may go out vote republican and then expect the republicans to actually do something to make their health care cheaper and better, and they are not going to get themselves in that position because the bill that just passed is their answer to that problem. Except for the Medicaid expansion. They probably do hate giving tax dollars to help states pay for poor peoples health care.

  63. mj, maybe I should take a break from republican TV, but I certainly can’t watch the other two as they are just too far left for me. O’Reilly and Greta made sense to me tonight. My TV is on for noise more than anything, but I do over hear somethings I find irritating.

    No I think the republicans don’t like all parts of the bill like the part about education. I think they want to repeal that part.

  64. confloyd, when you say “too far left” do you mean to pro-obama, because those are vastly different things? I ask because not only are none of the cable news networks “far left” but because you regularly espouse so pretty liberal values, like your support for direct federal lending. I personally gave up on cable news a long time ago. Two stations are all rah rah Obama, and one supports the wingnuts, though I agree with you on greta, she’s good. The show is clearly directed at women.

  65. Hillary is truly amazing with her devotion to her job and her country.


    Press Releases: U.S. and Pakistan Strategic Dialogue Schedule
    Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:41:51 -0500

    U.S. and Pakistan Strategic Dialogue Schedule

    Office of the Spokesman
    Washington, DC

    March 23, 2010


    Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi will co-chair the first United States-Pakistan Strategic Dialogue at the Ministerial level in Washington, D.C. on March 24 and 25.

    President Obama and Secretary Clinton have repeatedly stressed the breadth and depth of the U.S.-Pakistan relationship, a partnership that goes far beyond security. The Strategic Dialogue, marking a major intensification of our partnership, represents the shared commitment of both nations to strengthening the bilateral relationship based on mutual respect and mutual trust.

    March 24, 2010 (all times EDT)

    8:00 a.m. Opening Session with remarks from Secretary Clinton and Foreign Minister Qureshi (Open Press Coverage for Remarks; live broadcast to Pakistan) See the daily public schedule for further information on covering this event.

    10:00 a.m. Group Discussions: Agriculture, Communications & Public Diplomacy, Defense & Security, Economic Development & Finance, Social Issues (Closed Press Coverage)

    12:30 p.m. Lunch co-hosted by Deputy Secretary of State Lew and Ambassador Holbrooke. (Closed Press Coverage)

    2:00 p.m. Public-Private Partnership Roundtable (Closed Press Coverage)

    TBD Joint Press Availability with Secretary Clinton and Foreign Minister Qureshi (Open Press Coverage) See the daily public schedule for further information on covering this event.

    4:00 p.m. State Department Reception in honor of Pakistani Delegation with U.S. government officials, members of Congress, American businesses, and Pakistani-American community (Closed Press Coverage)

    March 25, 2010 (all times EDT)

    9:00 a.m. Energy and Water Discussion (Closed Press)

    10:00 a.m. Communications & Public Diplomacy Discussion (Closed Press)

    4:45 p.m. USAID Development Roundtable hosted by Administrator Shah (Closed Press)

  66. Regarding an article at HillBuzz about SCOTUS Rulings setting precent during The New Deal era… I wrote:

    (I skimmed through the comments, so hopefully this hasn’t been mentioned before.)

    If you read “The Forgotten Man” by Amity Shlaes, you’ll find many many parallels to what’s been going on today. It’s a snapshot of the New Deal era. I love the details and the characters that are discussed. Very enlightening.

    Schechter vs. the United States is one (of several) instances where SCOTUS ruled that the NRA was unconstitutional.

    I haven’t finieshed the book yet (just got it), but I find it quite odd how much it parallels to wha the Obama and Pelosi coalition are trying to accomplish.

    Has anyone here read that book?

  67. lil ole grape
    March 23rd, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    National Strike April 15-18
    Prepare in advance so that from April 15- 18 you will:

    *not go to work
    *not send your children to school
    *not do any shopping
    *not purchase gasoline
    *not eat out unless you eat at small Mom and Pop establishments


    Good idea- Even better if Banks were included in the $trike! Thanks..

  68. IndyPUMA
    March 23rd, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    I’m sorry is your argument that Obama and Pelosi are enacting a New Deal? And, these HillBuzz boys are using SP decisions against the NEW DEAL to advocate against Obama’s health care law?

  69. ADMIN…you can add Obama’s Home Foreclosure-Prevention Program to his Titantic victories…

    Average Homeowner in Obama’s Foreclosure Program Underwater, yet Principals Cuts Rare

    The average homeowner in the Obama administration’s signature foreclosure-prevention program owes more on their mortgage than their home is worth, yet the program does virtually nothing to address this problem, according to a scathing new report by a government watchdog.

    The average homeowner may owe their lender as much as two-and-a-half times more than the home is worth, the Office of the Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program states in its report examining the administration’s year-old Home Affordable Modification Program, citing November data from Fannie Mae. The Treasury Department told government investigators that the average homeowner likely owes their lender about $1.14 for every $1 of the home’s current market value, the report notes.

    Yet the program doesn’t address this problem of negative equity — commonly referred to as being “underwater” — according to the report. The administration’s effort has been touted as a way to stem the rising tide of foreclosures by reducing monthly payments for up to four million troubled borrowers.

    Mortgage servicers forgave principal on less than two percent of HAMP trial loans, the report notes. But before HAMP, 10 percent of servicer-sponsored mortgage modifications forgave principal, according to the report. Servicers are incentivized to lower monthly payments by getting cash for every sustainable mortgage modification.

    “HAMP allows principal reduction, but it is not typically implemented in practice,” the report states.

    The lack of principal reductions, which the report notes is the “primary method of quickly addressing negative equity,” may lead to homeowners walking away from their mortgages. Strategically defaulting on a mortgage — being able to afford the mortgage, yet voluntarily choosing to default — “usually occurs when the home’s value is substantially lower than the mortgage value,” the report notes.

    “Although relatively common in commercial real estate, it has been widely reported that homeowners may be increasingly more likely to strategically default on their homes,” according to the report. “Given the amount of negative equity in the mortgages under trial modifications, strategic default may become a factor in HAMP re-defaults, as borrowers decide that it makes more economic sense for them to walk away from their mortgages, and rent at a lower cost, rather than continue to make higher payments that may never result in them obtaining equity in their mortgage.”

    Story continues below
    A recent report by state attorneys general and state bank supervisors noted that more than 70 percent of mortgage modifications result in an increase in the principal amount owed.

    So not only is the average homeowner in the Obama administration’s primary foreclosure-prevention program currently underwater, but is very likely to end up being pushed further underwater by the administration’s efforts.

    “While the focus of the program remains affordability, Treasury continues to study ideas that will enhance, albeit modestly, program outcomes for…underwater borrowers,” Assistant Secretary for Financial Stability Herbert M. Allison, Jr. wrote in a March 22 letter in response to SIGTARP’s report.

    Read the report below:



    by the time O gets done with his plans for our country, we are going to have streets and streets of ghost towns and abandoned homes and empty strip malls…middle class former working people will be the walking homeless and penniless…and there will be very few left to pay the taxes O thinks he is going to collect to subsidize his health reform give aways to drug and insurance co…

    …and expect violence to escalate…desperate times breed desperate acts…just take a look at the horrendous violence that is occurring in the middle schools…kids setting kids on fire…kicking in girl’s heads at 3:00 in the afternoon on the school property with all kinds of kids standing around watching…

    O is going to make the homelessness of the Reagan days look like paradise compared to the mess he is ignoring and creating…

    …O and the dims should have cleared the decks from day one to focus on the most pressing, critical problems most people are experiencing…job loss, home foreclosures and the economy…

    if the opposition was smart they would spend most of their time addressing the bottom line issues the majority of people, whether they be dem, indep, or repub REALLY care about and run with it…jobs, home foreclosures and economy…while O focuses on bankrupting the country

  70. mj, How could anyone in their right mind want to charge students going to college to make a nation competative want to charge 10 to 16% interest for that education?? The only people that I can think of are the capitalists. I am not by any means a leftie, but unfettered capitalism is WRONG. I liked Bill Clinton’s way of getting more people off the welfare rolls without deserting them.

    You can for sure be sure I am not a republican, although I voted that way out of desparation on what to do about what the dems did to Hillary and what they have done to Bill. If people are really Clinton supporters I can’t understand how they could be for either Obama or the republicans, they are one in the same. I think the labels are misunderstood, if you employ republican bills, your are one…Obama is one…if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck..ITS A DUCK.

  71. S, I don’t get this negative balance on these homeloans. It’s always like that in the beginning of the loan on a car, a house or anything that is financed, so whats the big deal. If they have a job and can pay their loan they need to stay in it, but what I think is really happening is that a lot of speculators bought these houses to resale and they’ve lost their asses so of coarse we the taxpayers are going to pay to bail them out without even knowing we are doing it.

    So if your a capitalist that has invested in housing hoping the price would go up and guess what it went down, what would you do, walk out on those loans and buy up the cheaper houses and try to make some money on those. I think this is another bail out!

  72. BP

    ATTN New Jersey residents. The NJ Supreme Court gave the green light to collect signatures to recall Senator Menendez. Keep this link bookmarked and check back with it frequently.


    As soon as they are permitted, they will begin collecting signatures from registered voters in New Jersey. They need 1.3 million signatures to recall Menendez.

  73. Shocker: Obama doesn’t sign abortion EO
    But he promises he’ll do it “soon.”

    President Obama signed the Senate health care bill into law Tuesday. He did not sign the executive order on abortion negotiated with Michigan Democratic Congressman Bart Stupak in an 11th-hour arrangement that may well have saved the entire health care reform effort.

    A White House official told Fox, Obama will not sign the Executive Order Tuesday and has set no specific date to do so. Stupak predicted Obama would sign the order later this week. The White House said only that Obama would sign the order “soon.”

    In two celebratory speeches Tuesday – one at the bill’s signing, the other at the Interior Department with health care advocates – Obama said nothing about the abortion issue or the executive order.

  74. Stupak may have been double-crossed. The executive order has not been signed…..


    On Health Care Day, Obama Skips Signing Executive Order on Abortion; Stupak, on Defense, Compares Order to Emancipation Proclamation

    President Obama signed the Senate health care bill into law Tuesday. He did not sign the executive order on abortion negotiated with Michigan Democratic Congressman Bart Stupak in an 11th-hour arrangement that may well have saved the entire health care reform effort.

    A White House official told Fox, Obama will not sign the Executive Order Tuesday and has set no specific date to do so. Stupak predicted Obama would sign the order later this week. The White House said only that Obama would sign the order “soon.”

    In two celebratory speeches Tuesday – one at the bill’s signing, the other at the Interior Department with health care advocates – Obama said nothing about the abortion issue or the executive order.

    Stupak, meanwhile, is under fire for accepting the order as his price for supporting the health care overhaul legislation, which passed on a vote of 219-212.

    Stupak released a statement today defending the as-yet-unsigned executive order, placing it on a list of other significant orders that included Abraham Lincoln’s 1863 Emancipation Proclamation and Harry Truman’s 1948 order desegregating the U.S. armed forces.

    “Throughout history, Executive Orders have been an important means of implementing public policy,” Stupak said in a statement. “The most famous Executive Order was the Emancipation Proclamation signed by President Lincoln in 1863.”

  75. Gonzo, we were posting at the same time….

    BTW- the gall of that asshole. He may have started his campaign at Lincoln’s birthplace, but he is not Abe. Hell, he’s not worthy of wiping Abe’s ass….


    Stupak has been suckered! I hope Obama doesn’t sign the EO.

  77. mj, basement, et al,

    So maybe the GOP has been playing “Please don’t throw us in the briar patch?”

    Aw, would they do a thing like that? Enrich big business? Them?

  78. OkieAtty: I dedicate this song to Bob Stupak. It is called “A Statue of A Fool” (after the courting by Obama is over). The old Don Cherry version is the best but the Ricky Van Shelton version ain’t bad, and where round heel Stupak is concerned its the thought that counts:

  79. Attributed to NBC. Comments?

    • If you make $30,000 or less, Medicaid will cover you as of 2014.

    • If you make between $30,000 and $88,000, you will get government subsidies to help pay for your insurance.

    • If you make between $88,000 and $100,000, there are no penalties for not having insurance, but you don’t get government subsidies.

    • If you make over $100,000 and don’t have insurance, then you get a fine of up to $2250.

  80. I know this CBS poll has been posted before. It’s been online for a few days but lots of people have voted since the start. Cast your vote and check out the numbers–good way to start the day.

    h t t p://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-6116297-503544.html?tag=

  81. Avery interesting combination and event taking place tomorrow for Hillary in her honor.The event will be managed by #11 for #65.Ihope it is televised.


    Press Releases: Secretary Clinton To Attend Congressional Women’s History Month Celebration in Her Honor on March 25th
    Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:51:36 -0500

    Secretary Clinton To Attend Congressional Women’s History Month Celebration in Her Honor on March 25th

    Office of the Spokesman
    Washington, DC

    March 23, 2010


    Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will be the guest of honor at a event marking Women’s History Month on March 25th at 12:15 p.m. in Statuary Hall of the U.S. Capitol. The event will be hosted by Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Congresswoman Lynn Woolsey.

    Statuary Hall
    The U.S. Capitol
    Washington, D.C.

    The office of Speaker Nancy Pelosi will coordinate the press logistics. Press must display Congressional media credential with picture ID. Press should contact their respective Congressional media gallery for credentialing.

    Pre-set time for cameras: 10:30 a.m.

  82. turndownobama
    March 24th, 2010 at 4:50 am
    Attributed to NBC. Comments?

    • If you make $30,000 or less, Medicaid will cover you as of 2014.

    • If you make between $30,000 and $88,000, you will get government subsidies to help pay for your insurance.

    • If you make between $88,000 and $100,000, there are no penalties for not having insurance, but you don’t get government subsidies.

    • If you make over $100,000 and don’t have insurance, then you get a fine of up to $2250.

    So that’s supposed to make “everyone” participate????

    1. For those making less than 30k, you’re going to get Medicaid-Minus (the pols promised the bill would “pay for itself” by finding “cost efficiencies” in Medicaid; in other words, cuts).

    2. For seniors complaining about the “doughnut hole” (for Medicare prescription drugs $896 – $4,350 true out-of-pocket expenses), they’ll throw $250 at you. More info on this at


    3. For those in the 30-88K bracket, you’ll get a subsidy. After looking at your subsidy, and how much it will cost to buy insurance, you may say “Fuggedabout your steenking subsidy”. And as the prices rise (as they will, because Congress made this health *insurance* bill a gift to private insurers), even more will be disincentivized to participate.

    4. Without subsidies, and no penalty, healthy $88 – 100K folks will have no reason to join the insurance pools.

    5. 100K + folks who don’t want to spend $12,000 – 15,000 for a single person will gladly pay just the $2,250 fine.

    So the problem with getting healthy people (who are currently uninsured) into the insurance pool remains, leaving only the sicker folks. This leads to a “death spiral” where rates then have to go up for those who remain, driving more people out of the pool, causing the rate to ratchet up further…And this would be happening in private plans and Medicaid.

    This is what happens when you pass “the concept” of healthcare without the substance…

    When legistlators vote on a 2,400 page tome of a bill that was changing it as they were changing their votes…

    When legistlators prime reason for voting for a bill is political calculus (“Save our weakened president”)…

    Where the insurance, big Pharma, and Big Med write the bills.


    The lack of humility exposed. The true aim of the politicals revealed.


    O’s ego booster shot

    Michael Goodwin
    Posted: 4:07 AM, March 24, 2010

    Truth delayed is truth denied. Or at least truth was denied until yesterday, when the fig leaf of “health-care reform” was shredded. Finally exposed was the Holy Grail of the ruthless quest.

    It was so our Narcissist-In-Chief could claim another notch on history’s belt.

    Don’t think for a second the whole last year was about reducing the deficit or bending the cost curve. Nor was it ever really about helping Americans who need better medical care. A handful of those poor souls were there again yesterday, human props for his show.

    As he smugly read the roster of predecessors who tried and failed, from T.R. to Bill and Hillary, there was no pretense of modesty. This was about him.

    The imperial trappings of coronation — of all things, a rock-star introduction of the president at a signing ceremony! The giddy celebration of self and party, the hailing of bureaucrats and congressional hacks as heroes and more odes to the Kennedy clan were as welcome as fingernails on a blackboard.

    Yet it was also predictable. A presidency dedicated to the pursuit of glory is a presidency squandered on ceremony.

    “You’re the reason we’re here,” Vice President Joe Biden said obsequiously to his boss. Never has a phrase been more pregnant with double meaning.

    Yes, Obama is the reason the Democrats were celebrating — and the reason not a single Republican was with them. Not all Democrats were there, for at least opponents were bipartisan.

    Obama is also the reason more than half the country could feel uninvited to the party in the people’s house. They made clear every chance they had — from elections to polls to demonstrations — that they were voting no.

    For their trouble, they were ignored and often demonized. Their government does not represent them.

    It represents itself and its advocate acolytes. The party-in-a-hot house is what the Dems have become under Obama.

    Their disconnect from the people who pay for their imperial courts is now complete. They acted like children at a birthday party, oblivious to the pain in a nation where perhaps 15 million are out of work.

    Obama’s the reason they are unbothered. He has reduced the jobless to a statistical annoyance.

    A president is elected to lead, and Obama is leading America into a dead end. He could have gone for honest reform by agreeing to important changes that enjoy broad public support.

    The chief aim should have been to arrest rising costs. The savings could have been used to expand coverage and ensure health care and the economy were on a stable course.

    Instead, he opted for a misguided takeover of 17 percent of the nation’s product on the backs of a rented slice of Congress. The new entitlement will create a gusher of red ink and there is a very good chance the world’s finest health system will be diminished by longer waits, shoddy care and higher costs.

    This is Obamaism. It is sold with claims so false they are odious.

    Glib lies repeated daily are means to the end in which the state assumes more power, more money, more control. When he says “we,” he means “we the party, we the government.”

    Sunday night, after the House acted, he crowed that “this is what change looks like.”

    Indeed it does, at least the change he brings. Washington is now a one-party town, determined to work its will on a nation increasingly united against it.

    It is not the change Americans want.

    If we are smart and brave, the good change, the change that will rescue the nation, comes in November. Oh, hurry.


    Guess who doesn’t want in on the new health care system? That’s right…


    No Obamacare for Obama

    Democrats exempt themselves from socialist medicine


    President Obama declared that the new health care law “is going to be affecting every American family.” Except his own, of course.

    The new health care law exempts the president from having to participate in it. Leadership and committee staffers in the House and Senate who wrote the bill are exempted as well. A weasel-worded definition of “staff” includes only the members’ personal staff in the new system; the committee staff that drafted the legislation opted themselves out. Because they were more familiar with the contents of the law than anyone in the country, it says a lot that they carved out their own special loophole. Anyway, the law is intended to affect “ordinary Americans,” according to Vice President Joe Biden (who – being a heartbeat away from the presidency – also is not covered), not Washington insiders.

    Mr. Obama frequently tossed around the talking point that the new law gave people the same type of coverage as Congress enjoyed. In his March 20 health care pep talk to wavering Democrats on Capitol Hill, the president said one of the advantages of the health care legislation was that “people will have choice and competition just like members of Congress have choice and competition.” At yesterday’s signing ceremony, Mr. Obama said Americans will be “part of a big pool, just like federal employees are part of a big pool. They’ll have the same choice of private health insurance that members of Congress get for themselves.” But the American people will have a public pool; the executive branch and congressional staffers kept their country-club pool private.

    Last year, Sen. Charles E. Grassley, Iowa Republican, spearheaded efforts to have all Americans included in the plan, but he ran into heavy opposition from unions representing federal workers – the same unions that were pro-Obamacare stalwarts. In September, the Senate approved a scaled-down amendment that covered members of Congress and their staff. When this provision later emerged from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s office, the leadership and committee staff loophole had appeared. A move in December by Mr. Grassley and Sen. Tom Coburn, Oklahoma Republican, to close this loophole and to extend the law to senior members of the executive branch – including the president, vice president and Cabinet members – was blocked by Senate Democratic leaders.

    Mr. Grassley has introduced an amendment to the Senate health care reconciliation bill that also will apply the law to the upper tier of the executive branch and all Capitol Hill staffers, but it remains to be seen whether Democrats will let this measure move forward.

    The special exemptions slipped into the health care law are another example of how those statists who rule consider themselves a privileged class, imposing burdens on the country that they will not accept themselves. Candidates for office in 2010 should pledge to close these and other loopholes in the law that impose unequal burdens and create exclusive privileged classes in America. Meanwhile, we await Mr. Obama’s explanation why if his “historic” health care law is so great for America, it’s not good enough for him and his family.

  85. I read the Headline Results, not public opinion, matter most. I was not going to read it, but then I went to it. Again, I think this headline is very mis leading. What do you think???


    Barack Obama a Profile in Courage — Even If He’s Wrong on Health Care
    Posted: 03/23/10Filed Under:Health Care Endgame 1860 Comments + Join the discussion »TEXT SIZE:AAAPRINT SHARE On Sunday, House Minority Leader John Boehner, in an impassioned floor speech, said this:

    We have failed to listen to America. And we have failed to reflect the will of our constituents. And when we fail to reflect that will — we fail ourselves and we fail our country. Shame on us. Shame on this body. Shame on each and every one of you who substitutes your will and your desires above those of your fellow countrymen. Around this chamber, looking upon us are the lawgivers — from Moses, to Gaius, to Blackstone, to Thomas Jefferson. By our actions today, we disgrace their values. We break the ties of history in this chamber. We break our trust with Americans.
    I am as unhappy with Sunday’s events as John Boehner is. I believe ObamaCare will do considerable damage to our health care system and the nation more broadly. And Boehner and the GOP have, as the alternative party, acted in an admirable, and at times an exceptional, fashion. Their opposition to ObamaCare was principled and wise, and all honor is due them. Still, Republicans need to be careful in the case they build against President Obama and Democrats. The passions of the moment can lead to faulty arguments, including ones they later regret.

    I was in the White House when the president of the United States faced ferocious resistance from the opposition party, very little support from his own party, and deep public unhappiness with his course of action. And when that president stayed the course nonetheless.

    I have in mind George W. Bush’s decision in January 2007 to press ahead with the so-called surge in Iraq, which was really a new counterinsurgency (COIN) strategy that included sending almost 30,000 additional troops to Iraq. Bush did this at a time when the country was deeply weary of the war. Yet the president decided that pulling back from Iraq would have horrendous consequences; he therefore put all of his energy and the influence of his office into allowing Gen. David Petraeus the time to execute the new COIN strategy. Bush was right — and much of the political class, the foreign policy establishment and, yes, most of the public were wrong.

    These episodes touch on a debate about the role of legislators in a free society. Some argue they should simply represent the views of their constituents. Others (like me) are more Burkean in our approach, believing (with Edmund Burke) that the wishes of constituents “ought to have great weight with [legislators]; their opinions high respect; their business unremitted attention.” But when all is said and done a legislator owes them something more: his “judgment.” Parliament, Burke insisted, was a “deliberative assembly.” Legislators should not be driven by merely “local purposes” or “local prejudices.”

    As readers of this column know, I happen to side with the public, which has registered in numerous public opinion polls consistent skepticism of ObamaCare. My hope is that on Election Day next November, voters exact political retribution on the party that foisted this monstrosity upon them.

    At the same time, those of us in public life and those who comment on public affairs need to be careful not to shape our arguments simply to fit our cause. We should not honor politicians for courage — as I do with George W. Bush — when they resist public sentiment on issues we favor and then turn around and condemn them simply for going against public sentiment on issues we oppose. My colleague Carl Cannon has laid things out in a very compelling manner here.

    A careful balance is obviously needed. We are, on the one hand, a Republic, not a monarchy or dictatorship. In a self-governing nation public opinion needs to be taken into account and respected. Yet as Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist #71:
    The republican principle demands, that the deliberate sense of the community should govern the conduct of those to whom they entrust the management of their affairs; but it does not require an unqualified complaisance to every sudden breese of passion, or to every transient impulse which the people may receive from the arts of men, who flatter their prejudices to betray their interests. It is a just observation, that the people commonly intend the PUBLIC GOOD. This often applies to their very errors. But their good sense would despise the adulator, who should pretend that they always reason right about the means of promoting it.
    A contemporary scholar and former Clinton adviser, William Galston, put it this way: “In a republic, the people are always the ultimate source of legitimacy. They are not always the proximate source of wisdom.”

    In this instance I believe they are both.

    What will finally matter is the wisdom of the president’s decision, the subsequent events his actions set in motion, and the state of our health care and finances in the aftermath of ObamaCare. On each of these matters I believe Obama is profoundly mistaken — even as he deserves credit for pushing hard for an agenda he believes in, when the odds were stacked against him.

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