Enter The Dragon

Update IV: It’s Saturday noon. Um… what we’ve been saying this entire week – They Still Don’t Have The Votes. What’s going on? Obama poll approval still stinking:

“…23% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-four percent (44%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -21. That matches the lowest Approval Index rating yet recorded for this President… Each time the President leads a big push for his health care plan, his job approval ratings suffer… Most voters oppose the proposed Medicare savings and the taxes involved. As a result, most voters continue to oppose the legislation. Just 20% of voters believe that most Members of Congress will understand the proposed health care bill before they vote on it. From a political perspective, 50% are less likely to vote for a Member of Congress who supports the health care reform plan proposed by the President and Congressional Democrats… Overall, 43% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President’s performance. That also matches the lowest level yet recorded for this President. Fifty-six percent (56%) disapprove.”

The Hill still has the “NO” votes at 36. Undecideds are down to 34.

Last night’s crazy-making is still chaos reigning. Reports are that the Stupak deals are all off and his morning press conference will not take place. The quote re Stupak? He is “finished with Pelosi“. Or maybe not. Later reports suggest the press conference has only been canceled and the Stupak people are still talking with Pelousy.

DireFogFakes, the Obama fluffers gone flaccid, have this:

“The path of least resistance remains going around Stupak by peeling off a couple members of his bloc. But this will probably go all day. The Rules Committee has already started their markup, and remember in November, the deal wasn’t made to get a vote on the Stupak amendment until late on the night of the committee hearing.”

They still have the count with the “NO” votes ahead and “Save Obama” votes behind. The kook brigade “Save Obama” nuts who self identify as the “creative class” (we call them “creative clueless”) at Nothing Left are despondent: “Details are murky and confusing, but it now seems that Stupak is the only person in the world who can get a bill through the Senate with neither a fillibuster blocking him, nor recourse to reconciliation. Who knew? This could, of course, blow everything up.

The protests are on. Keep fighting. They still don’t have the votes.

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Update III: They still don’t have the votes. They still don’t have principles. All they have is a scam to sell and Obama to save. The Obama pimp at the Pelousy whorehouse:

“Leadership aides, including those in the Speaker’s office, would not comment, but a senior Democratic aide directly involved in the abortion debate said Pelosi appeared to have agreed to give Stupak a vote on an “enrollment resolution” offered by Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio), a key Stupak ally.

Kaptur’s resolution contains the same abortion language that Stupak successfully attached at the 11th hour to the House healthcare bill in November. Were the resolution to pass the House, it would instruct the Senate clerk to change the healthcare bill to reflect Stupak’s more restrictive language to prohibit federal dollars from going toward abortion coverage. [snip]

Stupak has maintained that he has enough votes to kill the healthcare bill, and has threatened to do so unless his demands that his language be included in the eventual healthcare law are met.

Stupak’s threats were real enough in November to force Pelosi to add his language to the House bill at the last minute. That language, which Stupak has said is the only language that upholds the Hyde Amendment, won the votes of 68 Democrats as an amendment to the House bill. [snip]

To that end, one version of the resolution apparently being discussed between Pelosi and Stupak would say that the Senate bill won’t be considered as having passed in the House until the Senate sends a message to the House stating that it has also passed the Stupak resolution, according to a knowledgeable Democratic aide.

But that would seem to be a very heavy lift for the Senate — and possibly even the House — even under the best of circumstances.”

All that skulduggery and – They still don’t have the votes.

“Tense times at the Capitol. Democrats are being called into the Speaker’s office at the eleventh hour for negotiations. Rep. Allyson Schwartz (D., Pa.) just arrived at 10:20 P.M. Regional Medicare reimbursement disparities appears to be the issue. Staffers are on their cell phones, telling their bosses to hustle in.”

Some Republicans/Conservatives are scratching their heads thinking “this makes no sense”. But they are wrong, it makes perfect sense. It all means the pimp Obama and madame Pelousy whorehouse is open and each and every woman is to them just a ho.



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Update II: They still don’t have the votes. Now women of congress are being herded into Pelousy’s office for “let’s make a deal” of your alleged principles. Harry Teague is a “NO”. The definite “NOs” are now 210. The “Save Obama” are at 210 with leaners included. The only way, it appears as of tonight, to pass the Obama scam is to herd women into Pelousy’s office and hit them with a 2×4 – and that is exactly what the PINOs are doing.

“Anti-abortion Democrat Bart Stupak of Michigan is asking for a vote on his language restricting taxpayer funding for abortion, and a group of female abortion rights Democrats came out of an emergency meeting in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office Friday evening visibly angry about the prospect.

Rep. Diana Degette, D-Colorado, told reporters a vote on Stupak’s measure was a “non starter” and said “somewhere between 40 and 55” abortion rights Democrats would bolt from the bill.

“We are holding firm this time,” she insisted.”

Does anyone believe that unprincipled clown or her fellow cave-in clowns?

“Stupak, leaving the Capitol, said that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s willingness to talk to him about his idea shows Democrats “don’t have the votes, or they wouldn’t be talking to me,” he said in an interview with The Hill’s Molly Hooper.

It was not entirely clear how exactly Stupak’s proposal would work. Stupak is reportedly trying to change the abortion language through a procedure called a “concurrent resolution,” but a parliamentarian expert told The Daily Caller that such a move would face huge hurdles.

The House would likely have to pass the Senate bill, and then hold it back from going to the president for his signature while they voted on the concurrent resolution. That resolution would then have to go through the Senate

Nonetheless, Pelosi appeared to be taking the proposal seriously, judging by the reaction from her pro-choice caucus.”

Here is the reaction from the unprincipled clowns who will totally cave-in and prove Stupak is the one with principles and willing to fight for them (even as we disagree with him on the issue he gets our kudos because we like fighters):

“Rep. Diana Degette, Colorado Democrat, emerged clearly agitated from a meeting with Pelosi and other pro-choice members in a room just off the House floor.

She said the Stupak proposal was a “non-starter.”

“Nobody likes this,” she said, claiming that more than 40 pro-choice Democrats would oppose the move.

“If Mr. Stupak and a few members … decide to use this to take health care down, then that loss of health care coverage will be on them,” she said.

Asked if she was willing to vote against the health care bill if Stupak got his way, she said “we are not going to vote for a bill that restricts the woman’s right to choose beyond current law.”

“So you’re willing to take down the health care bill?” the Daily Caller asked.

That’s it! That’s all I’m saying!” she said.

She then added: “I’m not taking any bill down.”

These unprincipled clowns deserve all the contempt and venom we can muster.

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Update: The big news today – Jason Altmire is a “NO”. His reasons:

”I regret that this year-long process of debating health care reform has resulted in a final product that I cannot support. The cost of inaction on health care is great, but it would be an even bigger mistake to pass a bill that could compound the problem of skyrocketing health care costs,” Altmire said in a statement posted on his Web site.

Altmire said the “vast majority” of people in his district oppose the bill.

Particularly hard hit would be western Pennsylvania’s Medicare beneficiaries, which many experts believe would experience dramatic premium increases with enactment of this bill,” Altmire said.

Brad Ellsworth today decided to “Save Obama” and hand the Republicans the Senate seat he announced a run for, after the Evan Bayh resignation. Some speculate this indicates that Pelousy has the votes because there is a secret deal with the pro-life contingent.

The biggest budgetary news however is the late Friday revelation that CBO states:

“…about the total budgetary impact of enacting the reconciliation proposal (the amendment to H.R. 4872), the Senate-passed health bill (H.R. 3590), and the Medicare Physicians Payment Reform Act of 2009 (H.R. 3961). CBO estimates that enacting all three pieces of legislation would add $59 billion to budget deficits over the 2010–2019 period.[snip]

CBO estimates that enacting H.R. 3961, by itself, would cost about $208 billion over the 2010–2019 period. (That estimate reflects the enactment of two short-term extension acts, which lowered the cost in 2010 by about $2 billion compared with CBO’s estimate of November 4, 2009.)…

CBO estimates that enacting H.R. 3961 together with those two bills would add $59 billion to budget deficits over the 2010–2019 period. That amount is about $10 billion less than the figure that would result from summing the effects of enacting the bills separately. The $10 billion difference occurs primarily because H.R. 3590 and the reconciliation proposal would modify how the government’s payments to Medicare Advantage plans are set.”

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They still don’t have the votes. There is a surplus of publicity stunts and flim flams. But… They still don’t have the votes.

The Barack Obama shoot ’em up, stampede the herd, thus far has not worked.

Enter The Dragon.

“Remember the enemy has only images and illusions, behind which he hides his true motives, destroy the image and you will break the enemy”



They still don’t have the votes. Obama had to postpone his vacation. They still don’t have the votes.

It’s not Big Pink saying “They still don’t have the votes.”

The Hill latest count has “Firm No, Leaning No, Likely No” at 36. The Hill also notes:

“If every member votes and all GOP lawmakers vote no, the maximum number of Democratic defections to pass a bill is 37, which would result in a 216-215 tally.”

The Hill latest count also has 47 Dimocrats as “undecided”. The Obama supporters at DireFogFakes who more and more begin to act as if they had brains also have the “NO” votes (206) leading the “Save Obama” votes (191):

“Lots of information, it’s coming fast and furious now. By the way, of course Democratic leaders say they’re five votes away; that’s been their entire strategy this whole time, to assume inevitability to get people on board. I prefer to count the votes rather than be swayed by anonymous sources.”

Their very latest, count? 195 “Save Obama” votes, 208 “NO” to the scam votes.

And the most pathetic of all, the nuts at NothingLeft? They see the Dragon at Demon Pass too:

“Leaving the he said / she said aside for the moment, Stupak still appears to hold the balance on the bill. He may not have a dozen members anymore, but the vote is so close he doesn’t need that many anymore to sink the bill. [snip]

What this means is that, at least based on public whip counts, there isn’t a clear path to passage at this point without either getting the Stupak group to cave, or caving to the Stupak group. And it isn’t even clear if Democrats could make a deal with Stupak if they wanted to, given both opposition in the Senate, the threat of losing new “no to yes” votes such as Betsy Markey, and the rules on reconciliation generally.”

The “Save Obama” Dimocrats should take a look at the “Obama can’t save himself” polls:

“President Barack Obama’s job approval is the worst of his presidency to date, with 46% of Americans approving and 48% disapproving of the job he is doing as president in the latest Gallup Daily three-day average.

Obama’s approval rating has hovered around 50% since November, but in the last two days has declined to the point that slightly more Americans now disapprove than approve of his performance in office.”

What’s been going on in the last two days that has caused the decline? What could it be?

“The new low ratings come during a week in which the White House and Democratic congressional leaders are working to convince wavering House Democrats to support healthcare reform, which they hope to pass using a series of parliamentary maneuvers in the House of Representatives and Senate.”

Indeed, “Today’s Rasmussen numbers from their daily presidential poll puts Barack Obama into an unusual position. In just 14 months, he has made himself more unpopular than his predecessor, at least by the measure of strong disapproval.”

DireFogFakes, has a “fact sheet” published today which details why “They don’t have the votes” – the bill stinks as much as B.O.:

“We’ve also taken a detailed look at the bill, and have come up with 18 often stated myths about this health care reform bill.

Real health care reform is the thing we’ve fought for from the start. It is desperately needed. But this bill falls short on many levels, and hurts many people more than it helps.

A middle class family of four making $66,370 will be forced to pay $5,243 per year for insurance. After basic necessities, this leaves them with $8,307 in discretionary income — out of which they would have to cover clothing, credit card and other debt, child care and education costs, in addition to $5,882 in annual out-of-pocket medical expenses for which families will be responsible. Many families who are already struggling to get by would be better off saving the $5,243 in insurance costs and paying their medical expenses directly, rather than being forced to by [sic] coverage they can’t afford the co-pays on.”

The “fact sheet” also notes that there will be many legal challenges to the Obama health scam. There are thirty-three states with legislation at various stages to ban the mandate feature of the scam. The “fact sheet” also wisely notes the political implications for November:

“Whether Steny Hoyer believes the legality of the bill will prevail in court or not is moot, it could easily become the “gay marriage” of 2010, with one key difference: there will be no one on the other side passionately opposing it. The GOP is preparing to use it as a massive turn-out vehicle, and it not only threatens representatives in states like Florida, Colorado and Ohio where these challenges will likely be on the ballot — it threatens gubernatorial and down-ticket races as well. Artur Davis, running for governor of Alabama, is already being put on the spot about it.”

And the “fact sheet” focuses on the financial philosophy and financial questions we will address this weekend. The “fact sheet” on the IRS and the official end of the Republic:

“As Marcy Wheeler noted in an important post entitled “Health Care on the Road to NeoFeudalism,we stand on the precipice of doing something truly radical in our government, by demanding that Americans pay almost as much money to private insurance companies as they do in federal taxes:

When this passes, it will become clear that Congress is no longer the sovereign of this nation. Rather, the corporations dictating the laws will be.

I understand the temptation to offer 30 million people health care. What I don’t understand is the nonchalance with which we’re about to fundamentally shift the relationships of governance in doing so.

And it will be the IRS acting as the collector for Big Insurance.

The “fact sheet” counters with a footnoted series of “myths” and mythbusters:

“1. This is a universal health care bill.
The bill is neither universal health care nor universal health insurance.[snip]

2. Insurance companies hate this bill
This bill is almost identical to the plan written by AHIP, the insurance company trade association, in 2009.[snip]

3. The bill will significantly bring down insurance premiums for most Americans.
The bill will not bring down premiums significantly, and certainly not the $2,500/year that the President promised.[snip]

4. The bill will make health care affordable for middle class Americans.
The bill will impose a financial hardship on middle class Americans who will be forced to buy a product that they can’t afford to use.[snip]

5. This plan is similar to the Massachusetts plan, which makes health care affordable.
Many Massachusetts residents forgo health care because they can’t afford it.[snip]

6. This bill provide health care to 31 million people who are currently uninsured.
This bill will mandate that millions of people who are currently uninsured must purchase insurance from private companies, or the IRS will collect up to 2% of their annual income in penalties. [snip]

7. You can keep the insurance you have if you like it.
The excise tax will result in employers switching to plans with higher co-pays and fewer covered services.[snip]

8. The “excise tax” will encourage employers to reduce the scope of health care benefits, and they will pass the savings on to employees in the form of higher wages.
There is insufficient evidence that employers pass savings from reduced benefits on to employees.

9. This bill employs nearly every cost control idea available to bring down costs.
This bill does not bring down costs and leaves out nearly every key cost control measure, including: [snip]

10. The bill will require big companies like WalMart to provide insurance for their employees
The bill was written so that most WalMart employees will qualify for subsidies, and taxpayers will pick up a large portion of the cost of their coverage.

11. The bill “bends the cost curve” on health care.
The bill ignored proven ways to cut health care costs and still leaves 24 million people uninsured, all while slightly raising total annual costs by $234 million in 2019.[snip]

12. The bill will provide immediate access to insurance for Americans who are uninsured because of a pre-existing condition.
Access to the “high risk pool” is limited and the pool is underfunded. It will cover few people, and will run out of money in 2011 or 2012 [snip]

13. The bill prohibits dropping people in individual plans from coverage when they get sick.
The bill does not empower a regulatory body to keep people from being dropped when they’re sick.[snip]

14. The bill ensures consumers have access to an effective internal and external appeals process to challenge new insurance plan decisions.
The “internal appeals process” is in the hands of the insurance companies themselves, and the “external” one is up to each state. [snip]

15. This bill will stop insurance companies from hiking rates 30%-40% per year.
This bill does not limit insurance company rate hikes. Private insurers continue to be exempt from anti-trust laws, and are free to raise rates without fear of competition in many areas of the country.

16. When the bill passes, people will begin receiving benefits under this bill immediately
Most provisions in this bill, such as an end to the ban on pre-existing conditions for adults, do not take effect until 2014.[snip]

17. The bill creates a pathway for single payer.
Bernie Sanders’ provision in the Senate bill does not start until 2017, and does not cover the Department of Labor, so no, it doesn’t create a pathway for single payer.

18 The bill will end medical bankruptcy and provide all Americans with peace of mind.
Most people with medical bankruptcies already have insurance, and out-of-pocket expenses will continue to be a burden on the middle class.”

Republicans are fighting and secretly rejoicing. Some undecided Dimocrats are avoiding calls from Obama.

There will be more publicity stunts and more predictions of victory. On Saturday, Obama will hold yet another “Save Me!” rally publicity/bamboozlement stunt at the White House. But as of now, they don’t have the votes.

Financial numbers will be undercooked, cooked and overcookedbut they are a crock containing poison. The demonstrations against the Obama health scam will continue (another one, this Saturday at noon).

The publicity stunts will continue but it remains to be seen whether the herd can be stampeded. Critical Congressmen such as Altimire have to decide whether they will shatter images and illusions or vote to “Save Obama”. “Save Obama” or “NO” on the Obama health scam.

That is the choice “Save Obama” or “Stop the Obama health scam” which loots the taxpayers.

Enter the Dragon!

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  1. Disability payments, food stamps, etc — 4-cents of each tax dollar?

    Here are some figures to give an idea of how much of anyone’s taxes these welfare payments amount to.

    Food stamps 2 percent in 2011.

    Supplemental Security Income 1.3 percent in 2011.

    Nutritional programs: 0.7 percent in 2011.

    Imo the source is pretty slanted (Kiplinger Magazine) so these should be considered worst case. And this is not just the margin of fraud, but the WHOLE expenditure on all SSI disability.

    Figures from
    http://bulletin.aarp.org/states/me/2010/8/articles/editorial_national_debt_is_all_about_old_and_poor.html

  2. Re “41=filibuster”, I saw a comment elsewhere that summed this up great.

    There was a Star Trek episode
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Taste_of_Armageddon
    A planet was having a virtual war. They didn’t use real bombs, they just simulated that a city had been destroyed. If the numbers said so, they didn’t have to actually do it.

    The Enterprise crew threatened real bombs, so that stopped it.

    The commenter said that the Dems should use the same tactic: make the 41 GOP actually show up and DO their filibuster, 24/7, and see if they could keep it up.

  3. I’m just hearing now about a bribe in San ‘somewhere’ in CA.. using WATER!!! I’ve got to go look it up because surely this can’t be true.

    I’m so glad I moved out of MA. Apparently 6 or 7 community clinics or hospitals are suing the state over MA Healthcare.

  4. We’ve written previously that Jason Altmire was an important weather vane on the vote. Today, he announced he will vote “NO”.

    This is a very important development.

    http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_672516.html

    U.S. Rep. Jason Altmire will vote against the health care bill when the House votes in the next few days, despite weeks of personal entreaties from President Obama and Democratic House leaders, he said today.

    Altmire, D-McCandless, was considered an important swing vote for House leaders who are trying to attract 216 supporters for the signature domestic initiative of Obama’s presidency.

    Altmire voted against a previous health care bill last year ,and as the climactic vote on this Senate bill approaches, he has been buffeted by protests for and against the plan, intense lobbying in Congress and two visits to the White House.

    “”I regret that this year-long process of debating health care reform has resulted in a final product that I cannot support. The cost of inaction on health care is great, but it would be an even bigger mistake to pass a bill that could compound the problem of skyrocketing health care costs,” Altmire said in a statement posted on his Web site.

    Altmire said the “vast majority” of people in his district oppose the bill.

    Particularly hard hit would be western Pennsylvania’s Medicare beneficiaries, which many experts believe would experience dramatic premium increases with enactment of this bill,” Altmire said.

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    admin
    March 19th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Ellsworth just gave the Republicans the Senate seat from Indiana with his “save Obama” vote.

    My thoughts exactly. I’m sure the deal was you vote against this bill and you get no national money for your election. What a dolt. he may as well retire today.

  6. Admin, LOL.. DireFogFakes! The ever so smug Jane Hamsher, member of the fucking creative class.

    BTW, Hi from Nassau, Bahamas, away from all the ugliness.

  7. FDL says more have come out for it. If all previous yes votes hold they have 217. I know of one previous yes who will vote no, don’t know about the rest.

  8. From elsewhere, haven’t verified it:

    Check out this map of the states (http://www.alec.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=ALEC_s_Freedom_of_Choice_in_Health_Care_Act), courtesy of stryck (http://stryck.livejournal.com/778668.html?view=1873068#t1873068) which indicates which ones are passing laws forbidding the enforcement of Obamacare within their borders (invoking their rights under the Tenth Ammendment to the US Constitution). Then reflect that the map is slightly out of date, and in fact the process has gone further.

  9. The anti Hillary vultures on FOX have fals news reports on her Moscow meeting results as a failure so let me post the comments by the Russian minister.

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    Secretary’s Remarks: Remarks With Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov
    Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:33:00 -0500

    Remarks With Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov

    Hillary Rodham Clinton
    Secretary of State
    Moscow, Russia

    March 19, 2010

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    FOREIGN MINISTER LAVROV: (Via interpreter) I would like to reaffirm that the recent meeting between Her Excellency Secretary of State of the United States Madam Hillary Clinton and the Russian President Dmitry Medvedev reaffirmed the fact that our relations are now on the rise. They’ve obtained new dynamics (inaudible) and reaching quality to a new level.

    So the President highlighted that last year we’ve managed to perform a true reset in our relationship to turn down, to turn back the – reverse the degrading of our relations that was in place before the Obama Administration came to power and increase the intensity on our content at all levels of executive power.

    Our relations today are conducted in accordance with the principles of honesty, openness and full compliance with all agreements arranged. The President highlighted specifically that he is very satisfied with how Geneva negotiators comply with tasks that are formulated for them by Presidents Obama and Medvedev accordingly and that he hopes that in short period of time they will be able to complete negotiations of the new START Treaty.

    He also highlighted that they would reach specific agreements that would allow to step up our cooperation that would modernize Russian economy, would put it in on more nominative tract and that will be done using specific instruments.

    As to international agendas, special attention was given to the Iranian nuclear program and Afghanistan sentiment. We share understanding that along those two problems, just like in many other cases, we need come up with coordinated, collective approaches and then implement them efficiently. And in this context, Russian president reaffirmed Russia’s readiness and desire to cooperate with the U.S. and other partners along this and other tracts.

    So in conclusion, let me say a few words about my personal impressions from this meeting. I believe that the reset was a true success and we needn’t stop. At this point we need to continue advancing. We need to avoid any interruptions in this cooperation. And I believe that this visit of Madam Secretary of State can be considered as fueling in the air.

    SECRETARY CLINTON: Thank you. Let me echo Minister Lavrov’s comments. As President Medvedev said at the very beginning of our meeting, the reset has been a success. And now we have to build on the relationships that we have developed, starting between our two presidents, and going throughout our governments.

    The bilateral commission that Sergey and I direct under the leadership of our Presidents is making a lot of progress. Let me give you just one example. Just recently there was a delegation from the United States consisting of high technology companies that came to Russia, visited with many businesses and academic institutions and innovators looking for ways to deepen the relationship between our high-tech businesses and academic institutions.

    Later this spring there will be a exchange between young people as part of our sports program where young Russians will come to the United States for the purpose of playing basketball. So our relationship is not just between our governments, it is increasingly between the American and Russian people.

    As Sergey said, we are very encouraged by progress on a new START agreement. Our negotiating teams have reported that they have resolved all of the major issues and there are some technical issues that remain, but we are on the brink of seeing a new agreement between the United States and Russia.

    We also discussed a range of other issues from Iran to Afghanistan and so much more as our part of our ongoing consultation. And we look forward to welcoming President Medvedev back to Washington for the Nuclear Security Summit in a few weeks.

    Again, I thank Minister Lavrov for his hospitality and the very cooperative working relationship that we enjoy.

    QUESTION: (Via interpreter) Russian TV channel NTV. So my question goes to both ministers. You’ve mentioned that in terms of new START agreement negotiations only some technicalities remain to be agreed. So my question is as follows: Does the link between the reduction of strategic offense arms and the deployment of U.S. ABM system facilities in Europe exist and whether – as far as I understand, you have not identified the timeframes for signing this new START Treaty. But do you think it might happen? Have you at least come up with a location? Will it happen in Washington or some rumors ago that it might be in Kiev, or are you for Prague?

    And Sergey – Minister Lavrov, do you really think – do you really expect to hear – answer to that question immediately?

    FOREIGN MINISTER LAVROV: (Via interpreter) So answering your first question I can say last April, when the first meeting of the two presidents took place, they issued a statement in which they stated that there is a link between strategic offensive and defensive weapons and the current teams of negotiations when they – and they’ve instructed their governments to take this relationship into account. And current teams of negotiators that work in Geneva at the moment act in accordance with the tasks that were formulated by the president – in particular in accordance with the tasks formulated by the president. I want to be interpreted exactly – literally, I would say.

    SECRETARY CLINTON: Let me say that we are very pleased by progress that has been made. And we hope and expect that there will be a signing in the near future. But as Sergey said, we are not going to preempt any announcement of place or time on this occasion.

    Because I’m not bilingual, you can say anything and I’ll agree.

    QUESTION: Good afternoon. Mark Landler from The New York Times. Also a question for both of you. It has been seven months since the disclosure of the secret Iranian nuclear facility at Qom, three months since the Iranian government rejected the offer of enrichment for the Tehran research reactor, and one month since the government of Iran announced it would begin enriching uranium up to 20 percent. And yet, after (inaudible) an international solidarity on how to confront Iran are continuing and taking by all accounts longer than anyone had hoped, there have been some comments recently from diplomats that we might not see a UN resolution until June.

    My question is simply whether you worry that the clock is in some sense running out? And what you would hope to do to speed up this process?

    SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, first of all, we have pursued the diplomatic track and thought it was correct to do so. We are now, however, at the stage where we are asking for action and are working very hard in the Security Council to attain a resolution expressing the international community’s disapproval of Iranian actions and pulling together the world in a regime of smart sanctions, as President Medvedev has referred to them, that will try to change the behavior of the Iranian leadership. And we believe we are making progress because many countries are seeing what you have briefly summarized along with the latest report from the International Atomic Energy Agency, and we expect to reach consensus around an appropriate response.

  10. They also got a yes from the Rep from Fl….they have at least 216. Just a month a go, we thought this was dead with the election of Brown!!! Somehow, the anti-health care bill movement peaked a bit too early, and Obama used that PR meeting with the parties to get it rolling again. I am not surprised as his presidency more or less rode on it getting passed, just once again stunned at how effective his team is at winning.

  11. Huckabee just said on FOX that the bill will pass. I’m depressed. How can these pols support every underhanded trick in the book being used in order to pass a bill? If the people wanted it, if it had real merit, it would pass without all of this awful sleaziness. Americans do not want their government to behave like this. Are they so close to it that they can’t see what we see?

  12. It will be interesting to see what the stock market does on Monday. This is a big giveaway to the corporate interests and is anti-middle class and a huge blow for the reproductive rights of women. There is a special place in Hell for Pelousy and all the other schmucks.

  13. When is it going to pass? I have been sooo busy in the barn for the last two days, I haven’t kept up with it… I am buying chickens and more donkeys…..when the country fails…I will have a way to town…I live almost 10miles out of town. Oh yes and I bought another horse..his name is Savy because he is smart…to bad our CIC would never be called Savy.

    Sure glad you guys keep up with everything, all I have to do is tune in ever couple of days and find out what’s up with the Chicago mafia run WH.

  14. Sunday, confloyd. They can not let congress break for Easter before passing this pos, because the congresscritters would be besieged by angry voters and may come back with wet feet. It will happen Sunday.

  15. Krauthammer: ‘Supine and Credulous Press’ Helping Obama to Reach 216

    w w w.breitbart.tv/krauthammer-supine-and-credulous-press-helping-obama-to-reach-216/

  16. We updated the article with this:

    Update II: They still don’t have the votes. Now women of congress are being herded into Pelousy’s office for “let’s make a deal” of your alleged principles. Harry Teague is a “NO”. The definite “NOs” are now 210. The “Save Obama” are at 210 with leaners included. The only way, it appears as of tonight, to pass the Obama scam is to herd women into Pelousy’s office and hit them with a 2×4 – and that is exactly what the PINOs are doing.

    “Anti-abortion Democrat Bart Stupak of Michigan is asking for a vote on his language restricting taxpayer funding for abortion, and a group of female abortion rights Democrats came out of an emergency meeting in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office Friday evening visibly angry about the prospect.

    Rep. Diana Degette, D-Colorado, told reporters a vote on Stupak’s measure was a “non starter” and said “somewhere between 40 and 55” abortion rights Democrats would bolt from the bill.

    “We are holding firm this time,” she insisted.”

    Does anyone believe that unprincipled clown or her fellow cave-in clowns?

    “Stupak, leaving the Capitol, said that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s willingness to talk to him about his idea shows Democrats “don’t have the votes, or they wouldn’t be talking to me,” he said in an interview with The Hill’s Molly Hooper.

    It was not entirely clear how exactly Stupak’s proposal would work. Stupak is reportedly trying to change the abortion language through a procedure called a “concurrent resolution,” but a parliamentarian expert told The Daily Caller that such a move would face huge hurdles.

    The House would likely have to pass the Senate bill, and then hold it back from going to the president for his signature while they voted on the concurrent resolution. That resolution would then have to go through the Senate

    Nonetheless, Pelosi appeared to be taking the proposal seriously, judging by the reaction from her pro-choice caucus.”

    Here is the reaction from the unprincipled clowns who will totally cave-in and prove Stupak is the one with principles and willing to fight for them (even as we disagree with him on the issue he gets our kudos because we like fighters):

    “Rep. Diana Degette, Colorado Democrat, emerged clearly agitated from a meeting with Pelosi and other pro-choice members in a room just off the House floor.

    She said the Stupak proposal was a “non-starter.”

    “Nobody likes this,” she said, claiming that more than 40 pro-choice Democrats would oppose the move.

    “If Mr. Stupak and a few members … decide to use this to take health care down, then that loss of health care coverage will be on them,” she said.

    Asked if she was willing to vote against the health care bill if Stupak got his way, she said “we are not going to vote for a bill that restricts the woman’s right to choose beyond current law.”

    “So you’re willing to take down the health care bill?” the Daily Caller asked.

    That’s it! That’s all I’m saying!” she said.

    She then added: “I’m not taking any bill down.”

    These unprincipled clowns deserve all the contempt and venom we can muster.

  17. Wow, looks like Nancy really went and did it. FDL Stupak Abortion Language to Be Substituted for Senate Language in Deal to Secure Health Care Votes.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has made a deal with Rep. Bart Stupak in order to secure his vote and that of other anti-choice Democrats for the health care bill, which is scheduled to be voted on this Sunday. According to a member of Congress who was briefed on the matter, Pelosi has agreed to let Stupak have a vote on his amendment either before or after the House votes to pass the Senate bill. It instructs the Senate to substitute the language in his amendment for the Senate language on abortion

  18. More reasons to detest Obama. Today he started to refer to himself as “the comeback kid”. Ugh. Also, today he said health care was tried by Teddy Roosevelt…. tried by Harry Truman… and wanted by Teddy Kennedy. No mention of the real “comeback kid”.

  19. Ironic little twist in the back there for all the women who supported Obama. Thanks a lot ladies. No, Ms.Magazine, this is NOT what a feminist looks like.

  20. Admin, how will this affect pro-choice people? Wouldn’t they be less likely to vote for the bill?

  21. I don’t understand how they all can’t see that they will be stabbed in the back in the end, no matter what they are being promised now. Are they really that far gone?

  22. Larkspar, Hopium dulls the senses. They are that far gone. They forget

    Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

    AmericanGal, the congressional pro-choice people are unprincipled or stupid or dedicated to “Save Obama” (just like the gay “leadership” the women “leadership”, the Jewish “leadership” to a lesser extent, and just about every Dimocratic group that has sold out their constituencies to “Save Obama”). The threat by Degette cannot be believed. Read what she said, a threat followed by an immediate “I’m not taking any bill down.”

    Stupak has made it clear he votes “NO” until his demands are met.

  23. “Stupak has made it clear he votes “NO” until his demands are met.
    ——————————————————————–

    Too bad other dims are not as prinicipled, as warped as Stupak might be, he is sticking to his guns.

  24. Ecoast, they want to do a deal, but it is going to be difficult to do procedurally and politically. They still don’t have the votes.

  25. Godfather movie fans will recall the scene (we refer to this constantly) when after the killing of his son Godfather Vito Corleone instructs Tom Hagen, his consigliere, to contact the other crime families for a peace conference.

    Tom Hagen, answers “But won’t that be seen as a sign of weakness?” Godfather answers “It is a sign of weakness.”

    When Obama postponed his trip the first time, it was a sign of weakness. When Obama postponed his trip a second time (for months) it was a sign of near death. The attempt was made to give the cancellation a patina of strength, but most political people knew it was weakness. Now the weakness is manifesting itself further.

    They still don’t have the votes.

  26. “They still don’t have the votes.
    ——————————————————————————–

    Please, let this be true, please.

  27. Wow – they are just freaking out at FDL. Throwing up Obama quotes where he had promised his undying devotion to reproductive rights, etc. (There are just so many instances anyway of Obama promising one thing and then completely doing whatever it takes to get what he wants, regardless of what he had promised to anybody, later.) Maybe the dems are promising to fix everything later, in order to get this “historic” outcome for Obama now. It’s so hard to understand how all of these “grown-ups” can’t see what a ride they are being taken for. Lord, save me from that Hopium!

  28. Dennis Kucinich is an idiot. He got bullied and flattered and plain rolled. Look at Stupak and his merrymen of anti-choicers. They are the king makers. And, Denny is running around pathetically like Obama’s lapdog collecting votes for this POS. Loser.

  29. Birdgal, for a while we did not think there was a constitutional challenge that would pass muster in the courts. There was an argument to be made politically that the mandate was a tax, which is exactly what it is – and Obama promised no new taxes for those who make $250,000 or less.

    Politically the argument should have been made that Obama is raising taxes with this health scam. Because it is a tax, on a legal basis we thought that the courts would not accept suit against any eventual law that is passed. While the Rhenquist court began a line of commerce clause jurisprudence rulings which cut back on the commerce clause, we doubted that this current court would expand on those efforts.

    We now think that indeed there is a viable constitutional challenge available that the courts will accept. Perhaps we’ll write about it tomorrow.

    MJ, the procedural hurdles are mountainous. We don’t know why Stupak is doing tomorrow – maybe it’s to put more pressure, to gloat, or just to say “They Don’t Have The Votes”.

    This article sums up some of the problems which we excerpt:
    http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/03/19/the-stupak-amendment-is-back-whats-an-enrollment-corrections-bill/

    Now, can that work? What about reconciliation? Don’t the changes have to be budget-related? What’s the deal with this “enrollment corrections”?

    A concurrent resolution doesn’t have to be signed by the President, just adopted by the House and Senate. Enrollment corrections are typically reserved for technical changes to a bill happening in between passage and signage – before “enrollment” of the bill.

    The question here seems to come down to how this is presented. Does this enrollment correction get tucked into the reconciliation bill and then “deemed” (there’s that word again) passed by the Senate? Would it have to be a stand-alone measure? What about the Byrd rule?

    I asked Sarah Binder, a parliamentary expert and a professor at George Washington University, about all this. She doesn’t quite think it’s possible. Specifically, she says that “any enrollment corrections resolution considered to be more than a technical correction would need unanimous consent (in the Senate) to be adopted.” Failing that, it could possibly run through a cloture vote, basically 60 votes in the Senate. But if it’s inside the reconciliation process, then one Senator merely can challenge the language of one line of the bill and get the concurrent resolution ordered out of the sidecar.

    It seems it may come down to WHEN the vote happens. If it occurs before the final vote, Congress might be able to get away with having it included in the total bill. But that doesn’t seem like it would work, for reasons that David Waldman explains here:

    It seems to me that if the Senate parliamentarian is indeed insisting that the reconciliation bill address “current law,” then that means the Senate bill must be not only enrolled, but signed by the President before reconciliation can be considered, at least in the Senate. I assume the House parliamentarian has no such objection to the House beginning its work (which is curious in itself), since he’s apparently allowing the House to consider and pass reconciliation before the Senate bill is enrolled.

    Will the Senate parliamentarian insist that the bill be signed before permitting the Senate to begin its reconciliation work on the floor? He may have no say over what the House parliamentarian approves with respect to when the House passes reconciliation, but he can prevent the Senate from beginning until the Senate bill becomes “current law.”

    Nobody really knows if Stupak can pull this off; there’s very little precedent.

    If the vote occurs after the vote on the final bill, it would have to go through a very dicey reconciliation process. And as a concurrent resolution, it might have to exist as a standalone measure entirely, meaning it’s eligible for a filibuster.

    There is a lot, a lot, more hurdles. Things are “as clear as mud”. What is clear – They Still Don’t Have The Votes.

  30. mj – Thanks, I am not real familiar with FDL yet. Do they oppose the bill because they think it does not go far enough or because they know it is mostly a ploy by Obama to further glorify his ego and prove to the world that he is Abe Lincoln, like reborn or something? Because the kossacks, I do know, and they would support Obama’s healthcare scheme even if there were another 2700 pages added on that mandated daily kitten sacrifices to the healthcare gods – and they love kittens over there.

  31. mj said:
    But don’t you think Stupak called his presser tomorrow because he it’s a done deal?

    ==================

    He’ll decide how to use it when the time comes — whether to call for others to support him, to repeat ultimatum, to declare victory — anything for another headline.

  32. ADMIN…and my other friends here…thanks so much for your kind words and concern during this really difficult time…I lost her and it has been really, really hard…I don’t think anyone is ever ready and I wasn’t and it is so hard to accept and believe…but I have silently been here and I have not left the fight you spoke of a few days ago…

    Jan H…my best wishes go out to you…

    *****************************************

    so, in that spirit…from the koolaid drinker below…a little too late but the more that wake up and speak out the louder consensus will become…and all the fake progressives (PINOS) and lefties must be targeted…they are all part of the problem…NOT the solution…

    What’s the Matter With Democrats?

    Posted on Mar 19, 2010
    By David Sirota

    Ever since Thomas Frank published his book “What’s the Matter With Kansas?” Democrats have sought a political strategy to match the GOP’s. The health care bill proves they’ve found one.

    Whereas Frank highlighted Republicans’ sleight-of-hand success portraying millionaire tax cuts as gifts to the working class, Democrats are now preposterously selling giveaways to insurance and pharmaceutical executives as a middle-class agenda. Same formula, same fat-cat beneficiaries, same bleating sheeple herded to the slaughterhouse. The only difference is the Rube Goldberg contraption that Democrats are using to tend the flock.

    First, their leaders campaign on pledges to create a government insurer (a “public option”) that will compete with private health corporations. Once elected, though, Democrats propose simply subsidizing those corporations, which are (not coincidentally) filling Democratic coffers. Justifying the reversal, Democrats claim the subsidies will at least help some citizens try to afford the private insurance they’ll be forced to buy—all while insisting Congress suddenly lacks the votes for a public option.

    Despite lawmakers’ refusal to hold votes verifying that assertion, liberal groups obediently follow orders to back the bill, their obsequious leaders fearing scorn from Democratic insiders and moneymen. Specifically, MoveOn, unions and “progressive” nonprofits threaten retribution against lawmakers who consider voting against the bill because it doesn’t include a public option. The threats fly even though these congresspeople would be respecting their previous public-option ultimatums—ultimatums originally supported by many of the same groups now demanding retreat.

    Soon it’s on to false choices. Democrats tell their base that any bill is better than no bill, even one making things worse, and that if this particular legislation doesn’t pass, Republicans will win the upcoming election—as if signing a blank check to insurance and drug companies couldn’t seal that fate. They tell everyone else that “realistically” this is the “last chance” for reform, expecting We the Sheeple to forget that those spewing the do-or-die warnings control the legislative calendar and could immediately try again.

    Predictably, the fear-mongering prompts left-leaning Establishment pundits to bless the bill, giving Democratic activists concise-yet-mindless conversation-enders for why everyone should shut up and fall in line (“Krugman supports it!”). Such bumper-sticker mottoes are then demagogued by Democratic media bobbleheads and their sycophants, who dishonestly imply that the bill’s progressive opponents (1) secretly aim to aid the far right and/or (2) actually hope more Americans die for lack of health care. In the process, the legislation’s sellouts are lambasted as the exclusive fault of Republicans, not Democrats and their congressional majorities.

    Earth sufficiently scorched, President Obama then barnstorms the country, calling the bill a victory for “ordinary working folks” over the same corporations he is privately promising to enrich. The insurance industry, of course, airs token ads to buttress Obama’s “victory” charade—at the same time its lobbyists are, according to Politico, celebrating with chants of “We win!”

    By design, pro-public-option outfits like Firedoglake and the Progressive Change Campaign Committee end up depicted as voices of the minority, even as they champion an initiative that polls show the majority of voters supports. Meanwhile, telling questions hang: If this represents victory over special interests, why is Politico reporting that “drug industry lobbyists have huddled with Democratic staffers” to help pass the bill? How is the legislation a first step to reform, as proponents argue, if it financially and politically strengthens insurance and drug companies opposing true change? And what prevents those companies from continuing to increase prices?

    These queries go unaddressed—and often unasked. Why? Because their answers threaten to expose the robbery in progress, circumvent the “What’s the Matter With Kansas?” contemplation and raise the most uncomfortable question of all:

    What’s the matter with Democrats?

  33. Admin, Thank you for the information. I look forward to reading more about the topic. This situation is getting murkier and murkier, hour by hour. Wheeling and dealing is part of any legislation, but this bill is criminal.

  34. Just saw the clip with James Clyburn’s “gitty”, smug face talking about how they have or will pass Obamacare. Makes me really wish I lived in his state just so I could vote against this disgusting, vile man.

  35. Before Obama, I used to admire Sirota. But when he became just another Obama cheerleader I just became really disgusted with him. It is people like him who led all of those other koolaiders right off the cliff. I hate it. I hate it on all sides now – now Noonan, even Tweetie. So they all start to get it, now??? Well, they do still keep mostly dancing around the fact that it is Obama who has ushered this era of true sleaze in. They were supposed to be the watchdogs and they chose superficial style over real substance and now our country is so deep in meaningless magazine cover crap.

  36. Admin, I agree with you. As of this moment, they still don’t have the
    votes. Maybe tomorrow will be different. I hope that there
    is a MASSIVE rally against this in DC tomorrow. For those who pray, pray that those congress people have horrific nightmares concerning their pro-obamacare vote that makes them tremble with fear, and then ultimately gets some of these turds to change their votes to “no”.

  37. Larkspar, Sirota went bad much earlier. Check out his role in the Brown versus Paul Hackett race in Ohio. Sirota was all for Rahm Emanuel’s tactics because he supported Sherrod Brown. That race presaged a great deal that happened, including the dirty deals by Chuck Schumer.

    NoMoBama, exactly right – They still don’t have the votes. Things might change, especially if the Stupak deal goes through. But then again, that might push others out of the “Save Obama” column. There will be many publicity stunts tomorrow to try to create a sense of having the votes and of a great thing about to happen. But the publicity stunts will be of no avail. Right now it’s all about Stupak.

    The bottom line: keep fighting. If they don’t have the votes tomorrow, they might not have the votes on Sunday. It’s no longer block by block fighting nor house to house fighting, it’s room by room fighting. They still don’t have the votes.

    We’re not going to buy into the “done deal” crap or try to sell the “done deal” crap. We say “fight” and “They still don’t have the votes.”

  38. It is what it is. Whatever happens will tell us a lot about where we are going as a nation. There have been a lot of moments like this since 2000. Amazing to see so many in one lifetime.

  39. For those who can’t, or won’t, sleep, we updated the article yet again. Bonus Friday night festivity, we added a video:

    Update III: They still don’t have the votes. They still don’t have principles. All they have is a scam to sell and Obama to save. The Obama pimp at the Pelousy whorehouse:

    “Leadership aides, including those in the Speaker’s office, would not comment, but a senior Democratic aide directly involved in the abortion debate said Pelosi appeared to have agreed to give Stupak a vote on an “enrollment resolution” offered by Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio), a key Stupak ally.

    Kaptur’s resolution contains the same abortion language that Stupak successfully attached at the 11th hour to the House healthcare bill in November. Were the resolution to pass the House, it would instruct the Senate clerk to change the healthcare bill to reflect Stupak’s more restrictive language to prohibit federal dollars from going toward abortion coverage. [snip]

    Stupak has maintained that he has enough votes to kill the healthcare bill, and has threatened to do so unless his demands that his language be included in the eventual healthcare law are met.

    Stupak’s threats were real enough in November to force Pelosi to add his language to the House bill at the last minute. That language, which Stupak has said is the only language that upholds the Hyde Amendment, won the votes of 68 Democrats as an amendment to the House bill. [snip]

    To that end, one version of the resolution apparently being discussed between Pelosi and Stupak would say that the Senate bill won’t be considered as having passed in the House until the Senate sends a message to the House stating that it has also passed the Stupak resolution, according to a knowledgeable Democratic aide.

    But that would seem to be a very heavy lift for the Senate — and possibly even the House — even under the best of circumstances.”

    All that skulduggery and – They still don’t have the votes.

    “Tense times at the Capitol. Democrats are being called into the Speaker’s office at the eleventh hour for negotiations. Rep. Allyson Schwartz (D., Pa.) just arrived at 10:20 P.M. Regional Medicare reimbursement disparities appears to be the issue. Staffers are on their cell phones, telling their bosses to hustle in.”

    Some Republicans/Conservatives are scratching their heads thinking “this makes no sense”. But they are wrong, it makes perfect sense. It all means the pimp Obama and madame Pelousy whorehouse is open and each and every woman is to them just a ho.



  40. There is another reading of what Degette said:

    “If Mr. Stupak and a few members … decide to use this to take health care down, then that loss of health care coverage will be on them. . . . I’m not taking any bill down”—i.e., “I’m not the one who is taking the bill down, he is.”

    It all depends on how she said it. Is there any video?

  41. gmanedit
    March 20th, 2010 at 3:18 am

    There is another reading of what Degette said:

    “If Mr. Stupak and a few members … decide to use this to take health care down, then that loss of health care coverage will be on them. . . . I’m not taking any bill down”—i.e., “I’m not the one who is taking the bill down, he is.”

    =================

    If she and a few other women had the guts to do it — that would be a magnificent thing to see!

  42. Gmanedit, you posit a reasonable and valid interpretation of how to read Degette’s remarks. There is thus far no video to confirm your reading, or ours, of the text of Degette’s words.

    However we have written about Degette before. http://www.hillaryis44.org/2009/11/08/horses-women-healthcare-gays-dimocrats-beasts-and-george-w/

    Degette wrote brave words and denunciations and trumpeted declarations about how important abortion rights were, never surrender, blah, blah, blah.

    Then she voted for the health bill which contained the Stupak language. We can’t take her seriously, nor should anyone else.

    We have no problem with “pro-life” Democrats, after all it’s supposed to be a big tent and there are plenty of “pro-life” Democrats who otherwise stick with what used to be core Democratic values. We do have a problem with someone like Degette who is the leader of the pro-choice caucus with 190 members yet is a total wimp on the issue she is supposed to champion.

    We suspect your interpretation of Degette’s remarks are too generous. Degette will cave as will her weak 190.

  43. Found this gem on RBO and it reveals who and what we have as CIC.A traitor
    in our whitehouse.

    =====================================

    Glenn Beck Show, March 19, 2010
    March 20, 2010 by Brenda J. Elliott

    Fox News Channel’s Glenn Beck Show, March 19, 2010: Beck’s e-newsletter for the show said to watch for:

    A stern warning from Massachusetts Treasurer Timothy Cahill: Obamacare will bankrupt America in 4 years. Glenn talks to the former Democrat (now Independent) about how Massachusetts has learned the hard way on government healthcare. Plus Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, former Senator Rick Santorum and Congressman Steve King talk about what happens next in the healthcare battle.

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    ObamaCare Explained
    March 19, 2010 by Brenda J. Elliott

    Posted in Barack Obama | Tagged bamboozle, Barack Obama, politics, RBO, Real Barack Obama, The Real Barack Obama | Leave a Comment »

    Batchelor: B-24s Over Washington
    March 19, 2010 by Brenda J. Elliott

    John Batchelor writes on his blog:

    Flippers

    News that Boccieri has flipped to Yes points to more flipping and a final crawl to 216. News that Stupak seeks a compromise with the Senate is clever cover not for a flip but to back off the youth attack teams from Organizing/Obama for America etcetera. Note from Salena Zito, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, that the Boccieri flip makes her think that Mrs. Pelosi has her 216. No new word on Altmire or Dahlkemper or Ellsworth.

    There will be Phoenicians

    The damage is deep and consistent. All Democrats are now on DefCon 3 going to 2 after the vote. The GOP is not a healthy party, but it is the default oppo and will enjoy the rage of the Babbits and their pals.

    The deep blue CDs in urban heat islands are the only safe territory in the North and West. Any Democratic Yes or No vote who survives the swarms of B-24 Liberators launching on Washington will be news, will deserve a museum trophy case right next to other impossible treasures such as the gold coins of Phoenicians.

    There will be blood.

    What is the plan to withstand the wave of revenge? Masada-like Democrats? Is this the Rahm/Ax plan for permanent siege? Note that POTUS has just called for the entire Democratic Caucus to meet at the White House at 4 pm Eastern Time Saturday 20. Why? Pep talk? Team spirit? Draw straws?
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    Batchelor: Byrding
    March 19, 2010 by Brenda J. Elliott

    John Batchelor writes on his blog:

    Throw Out the TV

    Imagine a poll question that asked, if you could, would you throw out every member of the TV and video news media and replace them with the first 5000 people shopping at Sam’s Club (or Walmart’s or Pet City or Apple etc) on Sunday afternoons? Would the result be half the voters or all the voters? Same for Congress? Who wants to look at these guys and gals another moment? Go to robots.

    Whip Count Byrding

    Spoke to David Drucker, Roll Call, to learn that the Senate GOP is combing over the reconciliation bill for errors to permit challenges (points of order) under the Byrd Rule, called Byrding, that will oblige the item to be changed, and that once it is changed, the bill must go back to the House for another vote. Each time.

    Meanwhile, the first vote on Sunday (if successful) will turn the Senate bill into an Act of law once POTUS signs it.

    That is, the Dem House members negotiating for changes could well be left with ashes and the Senate bill that all hate and don’t want to vote on.

    Drucker says that the GOP (Gregg and Alexander) will not reveal what they have already found. Kent Dorgan of the Democrats acknowledges that there are mistakes to be exploited. In sum, the first vote on Sunday, if successful, will start the process of vote and vote and vote. All the way for weeks.

    The whip count still remains uncertain. Charlie Dent, PA 15, tells that he heard on the floor today a count between 200 and 212. Salena Zito, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, tells me that Dahlkemper and Ellsworth and Boccieri remain NOs and that she is no longer sure of Jason Altmire, whose head is turned by the TV attention and the White House flattery.

    Jodi Schneider, American Banker, tells that the Speaker does not have 216 yet, and that the vote may be delayed until Monday or more. John Fund asserts that POTUS delayed his trip to Southeast Asia because he is needed to soothe and appeal, not because he is confident of the vote.

    POTUS is the one advancing the case that the vote is about the survival of his presidency. Silly season.

    Mention that Charlie Dent says the Rules Committee room is wired for cameras, yet it is only one of three that does not permit cameras to cover the hearings (the other two being obvious spots for discretion, House Intel and the Ethics Committee).
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    Healthcare, an Issue from Hell
    March 19, 2010 by Brenda J. Elliott

    We now have this woeful tale of the Democrats having to deal with the anxiety of passing healthcare.

    Democrats, who are notorious for having trouble agreeing on anything, are remarkably united on the proposition that the health-care issue is a gift from the heavens.

    It is one area of American life where government’s role is generally popular. Almost no one believes that the free market on its own will solve the problem.

    And dissatisfaction is intense: Polls show that among citizens of industrialized nations, Americans are among the least satisfied with their health-care system.

    […]

    But the health-care issue has failed the Democratic Party since the days of Harry S. Truman. Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) understood the importance of the health issue two decades ago, yet could not convert it into broad legislation or a presidential nomination.

    Health care, it turns out, is also an issue from hell.

    […]

    Many businesses that insure their workers’ health want the government to pick up the tab. But when politicians suggest requiring all businesses to buy health care for their employees, business howls.

    Insurance companies that pay the health providers want the government to contain health-care costs. But insurers also worry about the government eating away at their profit margins – or putting them out of business entirely with a nationalized system. Doctors and hospitals would like the government to help avert a financing crisis, but “cost containment” generally comes out of their pockets. Lawyers and doctors have diametrically opposed interests when it comes to reforming malpractice insurance.

    […]

    At the heart of the dispute are ideological differences between more moderate and more left-of-center unions, and also conflicting interests among unions, with a government-led system being an especially urgent demand of unions in industries that are becoming less competitive internationally because of health costs.

    If you are thinking this was written this year, or even as long ago as 2009, you’d be wrong. It’s E.J. Dionne writing July 1, 1991: Democrats Get Chance to Turn Health-Care Anxiety Into ‘92 Votes.

    It’s déjà vu all over again!!
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    Klein: Obama helped fund ‘Alinsky Academy’. Organization described as teaching tactics of direct action, confrontation, and intimidation
    March 19, 2010 by Brenda J. Elliott

    Aaron Klein, Jerusalem bureau chief for World Net Daily, reports:

    A Chicago nonprofit on which President Barack Obama served as paid director provided startup capital and later funding to Midwest Academy, an activist organization that has been described as teaching tactics of direct action, confrontation, and intimidation, WND has learned.

    Also, in 1998, Obama participated on a panel discussion alongside Midwest’s founder Heather Booth, an extremist organizer and dedicated disciple of radical community organizer Saul Alinsky.

    The Woods Fund, a nonprofit on which Obama served as paid director from 1999 to December 2002, provided startup funding and later capital to the Midwest Academy. WND first reported Obama sat on the Woods Fund board alongside Bill Ayers, founder of the Weatherman domestic terrorist organization.

    Midwest was co-founded by Booth’s husband, Paul Booth, who is a founder and the former National Secretary of Students for a Democratic Society, the radical 1960’s antiwar movement from which Ayers’ Weatherman splintered.

    In 1999, Booth’s Midwest Academy received $75,000 from the Woods Fund. In 2002, with Obama still serving on the Woods Fund, Midwest received another $23,500 for its Young Organizers Development Program.

    Midwest describes itself as “one of the nation’s oldest and best known schools for community organizations, citizen organizations and individuals committed to progressive social change.”

    It later morphed into a national organizing institute for an emerging network of organizations known as Citizen Action. Midwest teaches Alinsky tactics of community organizing.

    Discover the Network’s describes Midwest as “teach[ing] tactics of direct action, confrontation, and intimidation.”

    In August 1998, Obama participated in a panel discussion following the opening performance in Chicago of a play entitled, “The Love Song of Saul Alinsky,” a work described by the Chicago Sun-Times as “bringing to life one of America’s greatest community organizers.”

    Obama participated in the discussion alongside other Alinskyites, including Booth, political analyst Aaron Freeman, Don Turner of the Chicago Federation of Labor and Northwestern history professor Dr. Charles Paine.

    “Alinsky had so much fire burning within,” stated local actor Gary Houston, who portrayed Alinsky in the play. “There was a lot of complexity to him. Yet he was a really cool character.”

    Booth herself is a notorious radical community activist and self-described dedicated disciple of Alinsky, of whom she says: “Alinsky is to community-organizing as Freud is to psychoanalysis.”

    Booth’s vision of uniting various left-leaning organizations and factions has also been the subject of her two books: Toward a Radical Movement and Citizen Action and the New American Populism (1986).

    Former 1960s radical and FrontPageMagazine Editor David Horowitz describes Alinsky as the “Communist/Marxist fellow-traveler who helped establish the dual political tactics of confrontation and infiltration that characterized the 1960s and have remained central to all subsequent revolutionary movements in the United States.”

    Horowitz writes in his 2009 pamphlet, “Barack Obama’s Rules for Revolution. The Alinsky Model”:

    The strategy of working within the system until you can accumulate enough power to destroy it was what sixties radicals called ‘boring from within.’…. Like termites, they set about to eat away at the foundations of the building in expectation that one day they could cause it to collapse.
    As WND reported, Obama approached Northwestern University professor John L. McKnight – a loyal student of Alinsky’s radical tactics – to pen a letter of recommendation for him when he applied to Harvard Law School. Under the tutelage of McKnight and other hardcore students of Alinsky, Obama said he got the “best education I ever had, better than anything I got at Harvard Law School.”

    In a letter to the editor of the Boston Globe, Alinsky’s son praised Obama for stirring up the masses at the Democratic National Convention “Saul Alinsky style,” saying, “Obama learned his lesson well.”

    The letter signed L. David Alinsky closed by saying, “I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully.”

    With research by Brenda J. Elliott

  44. Last night ABC via Diane Sawyer, finally owned up to the K-Mart LayAway plan this healthcare debacle is. A viewer had to be on alert to absorb the information because she moved quickly. She described what would happen immediately, what would happen in 6 months, then – all the rest including an insurance guarantee for adults would happen in 2014.

    Altmire, who was a real dud at Denver convention time, is now a shining star. However to realize that after all this outcry just one Democrat was reached, is outrageous. Time to fly the flag of this Republic in distress mode.

  45. “Chuckie” Todd was interviewed this morning on the TODAY Show. He was asked if there were any changes that would take place immediately if the HCR plan were passed on Sunday. He said:

    1) The rule barring preexisting conditions for children would no longer apply.

    2) Children up to the age of 26 would/could still be covered under the parents plan.

    Sounds great! But… as we have have found-out time after time, Obama cannot be Trusted.

    So whats/wheres the catch?

    Is the Bill they are voting on.. posted online anywhere?

  46. S
    March 20th, 2010 at 12:20 am

    You have my deepest sympathy, S for your recent loss. Sorry, somehow missed your post sharing the bereavement of a close family member…

    I agree. We all miss JanH and her insightful articles and input into this forum…

    Please hurry back, Jan…

  47. #
    Mrs. Smith
    March 20th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    “Chuckie” Todd was interviewed this morning on the TODAY Show. He was asked if there were any changes that would take place immediately if the HCR plan were passed on Sunday. He said:

    1) The rule barring preexisting conditions for children would no longer apply.

    2) Children up to the age of 26 would/could still be covered under the parents plan.

    Sounds great! But… as we have have found-out time after time, Obama cannot be Trusted.

    So whats/wheres the catch?

    Is the Bill they are voting on.. posted online anywhere?

    What catch?> Thos two things are part of the bill that go into effect immediately. So? This bill still is a huge bailout to the private insurers. They could pass those measures as stand alones. They don’t need this ugly bill to pass a couple of positives.

  48. JanH,

    Inexperienced negotiators have never heard of “the fine print” or the old addage, “there are exceptions to every rule” especially when dealing with Insurance Companies. And lest we forget; “IF it’s too good to be True, IT usually IS!”

    (It would be good if the House published the Bill before the Vote. The Public deserves to know what they are Voting for.)

    When purchasing an Insurance policy for whatever reason; I always ask the agent: “What am I not covered for and what are the exception in my policy?”

  49. Greetings, Hillfriends! John Kass is horrifying and hilarious this morning.
    * * * * * * * *
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-kass-0319-20100318,0,6381054.column

    Chumbolones ready to cry uncle after latest fleecing
    Couch-surfing Uncle Feds leaves fiscal mark on Charlie and Cindy Chumbolone
    John Kass

    1:44 AM CDT, March 19, 2010

    Any day now, Congress in its wisdom might approve (but not actually vote for) President Barack Obama’s gargantuan federal health care entitlement that only costs a trillion dollars (but probably a lot more).

    So it’s the perfect time to remember some folks that many — especially our politicians — have forgotten.

    The Chumbolones.

    Charlie and Cindy Chumbolone are typical of most Americans you know. Look in the mirror and you’ll recognize them immediately.

    They work hard, they pay their taxes, they live within their means, they give to their church and volunteer in their community.

    And they take care of Uncle Feds.

    Uncle Feds sleeps on the couch in the front room. He doesn’t work, but he loves to eat and order pay-per-view movies On Demand, the expensive HD kind.

    He’s lived there so long that the Chumbolone children really can’t remember when the fat man first plopped down on their mother’s upholstery.

    Uncle Feds isn’t really a relative. He’s just, well, Uncle Feds, and he has no intention of leaving.

    “What’s with the meatloaf?” Uncle Feds whines at dinner. “Who can eat this stuff? Roast beef is better, and tastier, too. How about a rib roast? Or veal chops?”

    The Chumbolones at first were shocked that Uncle Feds would demand expensive cuts of meat. But they gave in to shut him up. Meanwhile, the rest of the family ate macaroni for dinner because money was so tight.

    “Salads and vegetable medley for you children,” Uncle Feds would tell the Chumbolone kids. “You don’t want to grow up and get too fat. So pass the bread and that beef. It may not be good for you, but it’s certainly good for me, heh, heh, heh.”

    Every week or so, the Chumbolones would sit at the kitchen table to study the bills and their budget, to find out where all their money was going. They were horrified when one day they realized Uncle Feds was eating almost half of everything they made.

    Meanwhile, the air conditioner in Charlie’s car was still broken, but he didn’t want to spend the $400 to fix it.

    “I’ll just roll the windows down when it gets hot, just like last year,” Charlie told Cindy.

    And Cindy’s feet hurt from standing all day at her job. But she wouldn’t go to the podiatrist.

    “Honey, if you don’t have air conditioning in your car, I’m certainly not going to pay for a foot doctor,” Cindy said. “I’ll just soak my feet in Epsom salts and hot water.”

    The Chumbolones had one unbreakable rule about their budget. They’d purchase something only when they had the money to pay for it.

    “Remember the trouble we got into with the credit cards?” recalled Cindy. “I never want to see a credit card again.”

    One day the Chumbolones spotted Uncle Feds on the street corner behind a card table, slicing dozens of tasty beef roasts for the neighbors, and handing out other goodies.

    “Your Uncle Feds is so cool,” the neighbors said. “He’s the most popular guy in town. He gives us all this stuff for free.”

    Charlie grunted that it wasn’t exactly free, but the neighbors didn’t like the sound of that. They grumbled that Charlie was selfish and rude.

    “Where did you get the money to pay for all of this, Uncle Feds?” asked Charlie. “We can’t afford it anymore. We’ve got to start cutting back.”

    The neighbors were horrified at this line of questioning.

    “Uncle Feds can’t afford a cut!” they cried. “What’s wrong with you, Charlie? Cut Uncle Feds? Are you stupid or what? He can’t afford it!”

    Later, Uncle Feds caught up with Charlie and Cindy (her feet in a pan of water) at the kitchen table with the bills.

    “You asked me where I got the money?” said Uncle Feds with a wide grin. “I used your credit cards. You weren’t using them. So I used them.”

    He explained it was an honorable tradition he learned as a boy in the nation’s Capitol.

    “It’s called ‘Deem and Pass,'” he said. “I deemed I wanted your credit cards, and I passed the bills on to you.”

    Uncle Feds laughed and laughed, but the Chumbolones had been so numbed by his appetites that they’d forgotten how to get angry.

    But the air conditioning in Charlie’s car was still broken, and Cindy’s feet still hurt, and they couldn’t afford stuff for the kids, and still Uncle Feds kept ordering expensive movies On Demand and eating roasts and playing Mr. Popular with the neighbors.

    So finally, the Chumbolones had enough. They told him he just had to cut his spending and they ordered him to help deal with the financial mess they were in.

    One night, at dinner, Uncle Feds announced that he’d solved all their financial problems.

    “I knew you could do it,” said Cindy. “How?” asked Charlie.

    “It’s simple,” said Uncle Feds. “You need money, and I need money, so I just took out another mortgage on your home!”

    The Chumbolones were stupefied.

    “How could you do this to us?” cried Cindy. “What makes you think you could put us deeper in debt!” demanded Charlie.

    As always, Uncle Feds had an answer.

    “It’s because you’re Chumbolones,” said Uncle Feds. “And the Chumbolones always pay and pay. Didn’t you know that?”

    jskass@tribune.com

    Copyright © 2010, Chicago Tribune

  50. Hold your stomachs. Who is Obama missing in his list of presidents who tried to reform healthcare? The jut-jaw creep mentions Teddy Roosevelt, Truman, and – Teddy Kennedy? But no Bill Clinton. No mention of Hillary Clinton. [at around the 3 minutes and 30 seconds mark]

  51. All the women need to be fired. You will never gain equiality unless you are willing to go to jail, go on a hunger strike, and experienced forced feeding. If you think that you will get equality by playing the men’s game, you are wrong.

    We have elected the wrong people to champion our cause.

  52. Hoho! Picture it! A bright yellow pickup truck spotted on Route 6 near Hyannis, MA – large sign propped up on the back with letters painted over pics of the Capital Dome and the White House:
    “Fuck you all! We want Hillary Health Care!”

  53. Our latest update:

    Update IV: It’s Saturday noon. Um… what we’ve been saying this entire week – They Still Don’t Have The Votes. What’s going on? Obama poll approval still stinking:

    “…23% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-four percent (44%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -21. That matches the lowest Approval Index rating yet recorded for this President… Each time the President leads a big push for his health care plan, his job approval ratings suffer… Most voters oppose the proposed Medicare savings and the taxes involved. As a result, most voters continue to oppose the legislation. Just 20% of voters believe that most Members of Congress will understand the proposed health care bill before they vote on it. From a political perspective, 50% are less likely to vote for a Member of Congress who supports the health care reform plan proposed by the President and Congressional Democrats… Overall, 43% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President’s performance. That also matches the lowest level yet recorded for this President. Fifty-six percent (56%) disapprove.”

    The Hill still has the “NO” votes at 36. Undecideds are down to 34.

    Last night’s crazy-making is still chaos reigning. Reports are that the Stupak deals are all off and his morning press conference will not take place. The quote re Stupak? He is “finished with Pelosi“. Or maybe not. Later reports suggest the press conference has only been canceled and the Stupak people are still talking with Pelousy.

    DireFogFakes, the Obama fluffers gone flaccid, have this:

    “The path of least resistance remains going around Stupak by peeling off a couple members of his bloc. But this will probably go all day. The Rules Committee has already started their markup, and remember in November, the deal wasn’t made to get a vote on the Stupak amendment until late on the night of the committee hearing.”

    They still have the count with the “NO” votes ahead and “Save Obama” votes behind. The kook brigade “Save Obama” nuts who self identify as the “creative class” (we call them “creative clueless”) at Nothing Left are despondent: “Details are murky and confusing, but it now seems that Stupak is the only person in the world who can get a bill through the Senate with neither a fillibuster blocking him, nor recourse to reconciliation. Who knew? This could, of course, blow everything up.

    The protests are on. Keep fighting. They still don’t have the votes.

  54. How about that …56% DISAPPROVE! How do all of those reps look at that number and think that the nation is not gonna just cream them for going along with this crap? They are being led into a swamp! Idiots!!! Admin – Calling it “Demon Pass” is soooo on target.

  55. Believe me I do not know why that double posted, and I do know how to spell Admin, it is my fingers that don’t.

  56. Thanks, Admin. I have a relative that has that record he put out in Blue, I think for Blue Suede Shoes. Quite a collectors item now.

  57. admin
    March 20th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
    DireFog now has the count at 204 “Save Obama” and 206 “NO”, 11 undecided, 10 Stupak bloc.

    Melissa Bean and Baron Hill (a Hill of Beans) are voting to “Save Obama”.

    http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/03/20/sanford-bishop-moves-to-yes/
    ———————————————————————————–
    Unfortunately, Obama isn’t worth saving. What a waste of time and people. This situation reminds me so much of the primary, it is sickening.

  58. Perhaps it is time we call on our local and state represntitives to demand a voice or at least a statement from them.
    Constituents are inundating their representives with demands/appeals of “NO”. tHEY ARE NO LONGER ANSWEREING CALLS. My voice is ignored so why not bombard my state rep my mayor my city council. those we elected to congress will have to listen to them or at least take their calls.

  59. Don’t forget, this ugly bill is lose/lose for Obama.

    If he doesn’t get it passwd, he loses face, and everyone will wonder why he’s so bad at being a leader.

    If it passes,
    a) who will want to stick around for THAT signing ceremony, knowing that the “child hath been borne of Satan’s seed” (all the horrible buying of votes and bizarre House / Senate procedural contortions needed to drag the dead horse over the finish line)
    b) Dems will spend every minute between now and November running away from their votes
    c) Repubs will rake in tons of cash and electoral momentum to throw the bums out
    d) people will immediately start seeing the taxes and co-pays, whereas the benefits are off in the distance
    e) legal challenges across the board in every state and all judicial levels
    f) I could keep going….

    So, lose / lose for the “Historical”, “I didn’t realize Bill Clinton patented the ‘Comeback Kid’ name”, squatter at 1600.

  60. One of the best quotes I have seen was in the WSJ comment section yesterday – this guy said: “So, this is what it feels like to be ruled, rather than goverened.” 56%.

  61. Kaptur is said to be folding. Obama always gets his woman. Disgusting. Also, he may issue a signing statement to achieve the Stupak language. LOL. Some “feminist”.

  62. Rep. Cliff Stearns, of my district in Florida, was on C-Span a little earlier this afternoon. Evidently they were debating Veterans Health Care and if I understood correctly that veterans would not be covered. I had not even thought of how this HRC would affect our veteran heroes. He said something to the effect of:
    Deem and pass???? Deem? If we are going to deem that a bill has been voted on, then let’s go further. Let us DEEM all Americans to be healthy and no healthcare would be needed. Let’s DEEM that there is world peace so we can bring our troops home.

    Let’s see if I could deem things to be, what would I deem? I would deem that all politicans uphold the constitution that they swore to uphold; I would deem that NONE of them get relected in 2010 or 2012. And that is just for starters.

  63. How he can make a speech like that and not mention Bill/Hill shows how insecure, ungrateful and petty this man is. I pray, when Hillary and Bill are far removed from this corrupt administration, they can express their true feeling on how he stole the election, why she agreed to be SOS, and what they really think of a guy who would be serving them cocktails just a few yrs ago. I don’t buy for a minute that Hillary is in total agreement with him. She is doing what she has to do, in some cases regrettably, but for the greater good.

  64. Admin: Thanks for keeping us informed with facts during this “inevitability” mayhem.

    By the way, just when I thought that I had heard everything, did you happen to catch Tingles criticizing Bret Baire for interupting too much. Yes, Matthews smugly criticizing a journalist for interupting too much. Many times (especially in a currently-running MSNBC promo for Hardball), he has claimed that it is his job to talk fast and interupt in order to knock his guests off their talking points. Apparently, this credo doesn’t apply to the fraud.

  65. House leaders plan separate health vote, rejecting ‘deem and pass’

    Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) said Saturday that the House would take three votes Sunday: first, on a resolution that will set the terms of debate; second, on a package of amendments to the Senate bill that have been demanded by House members; and third, on the Senate bill itself.

    Van Hollen, who has been working on the issue with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), said House leaders concluded that that order — approving the amendments before approving the Senate bill — makes clear that the House intends to modify the Senate bill and not approve the Senate bill itself.

    “Our objective all along was to make it clear that the House is amending the Senate bill, and we found another way of accomplishing that,” Van Hollen said in an interview.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/20/AR2010032001651.html?hpid=topnews

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