Update IV: It’s Saturday noon. Um… what we’ve been saying this entire week – They Still Don’t Have The Votes. What’s going on? Obama poll approval still stinking:
“…23% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-four percent (44%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -21. That matches the lowest Approval Index rating yet recorded for this President… Each time the President leads a big push for his health care plan, his job approval ratings suffer… Most voters oppose the proposed Medicare savings and the taxes involved. As a result, most voters continue to oppose the legislation. Just 20% of voters believe that most Members of Congress will understand the proposed health care bill before they vote on it. From a political perspective, 50% are less likely to vote for a Member of Congress who supports the health care reform plan proposed by the President and Congressional Democrats… Overall, 43% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President’s performance. That also matches the lowest level yet recorded for this President. Fifty-six percent (56%) disapprove.”
The Hill still has the “NO” votes at 36. Undecideds are down to 34.
Last night’s crazy-making is still chaos reigning. Reports are that the Stupak deals are all off and his morning press conference will not take place. The quote re Stupak? He is “finished with Pelosi“. Or maybe not. Later reports suggest the press conference has only been canceled and the Stupak people are still talking with Pelousy.
DireFogFakes, the Obama fluffers gone flaccid, have this:
“The path of least resistance remains going around Stupak by peeling off a couple members of his bloc. But this will probably go all day. The Rules Committee has already started their markup, and remember in November, the deal wasn’t made to get a vote on the Stupak amendment until late on the night of the committee hearing.”
They still have the count with the “NO” votes ahead and “Save Obama” votes behind. The kook brigade “Save Obama” nuts who self identify as the “creative class” (we call them “creative clueless”) at Nothing Left are despondent: “Details are murky and confusing, but it now seems that Stupak is the only person in the world who can get a bill through the Senate with neither a fillibuster blocking him, nor recourse to reconciliation. Who knew? This could, of course, blow everything up.”
The protests are on. Keep fighting. They still don’t have the votes.
“Leadership aides, including those in the Speaker’s office, would not comment, but a senior Democratic aide directly involved in the abortion debate said Pelosi appeared to have agreed to give Stupak a vote on an “enrollment resolution” offered by Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio), a key Stupak ally.
Kaptur’s resolution contains the same abortion language that Stupak successfully attached at the 11th hour to the House healthcare bill in November. Were the resolution to pass the House, it would instruct the Senate clerk to change the healthcare bill to reflect Stupak’s more restrictive language to prohibit federal dollars from going toward abortion coverage. [snip]
Stupak has maintained that he has enough votes to kill the healthcare bill, and has threatened to do so unless his demands that his language be included in the eventual healthcare law are met.
Stupak’s threats were real enough in November to force Pelosi to add his language to the House bill at the last minute. That language, which Stupak has said is the only language that upholds the Hyde Amendment, won the votes of 68 Democrats as an amendment to the House bill. [snip]
To that end, one version of the resolution apparently being discussed between Pelosi and Stupak would say that the Senate bill won’t be considered as having passed in the House until the Senate sends a message to the House stating that it has also passed the Stupak resolution, according to a knowledgeable Democratic aide.
But that would seem to be a very heavy lift for the Senate — and possibly even the House — even under the best of circumstances.”
“Tense times at the Capitol. Democrats are being called into the Speaker’s office at the eleventh hour for negotiations. Rep. Allyson Schwartz (D., Pa.) just arrived at 10:20 P.M. Regional Medicare reimbursement disparities appears to be the issue. Staffers are on their cell phones, telling their bosses to hustle in.”
Some Republicans/Conservatives are scratching their heads thinking “this makes no sense”. But they are wrong, it makes perfect sense. It all means the pimp Obama and madame Pelousy whorehouse is open and each and every woman is to them just a ho.
Update II: They still don’t have the votes. Now women of congress are being herded into Pelousy’s office for “let’s make a deal” of your alleged principles. Harry Teague is a “NO”. The definite “NOs” are now 210. The “Save Obama” are at 210 with leaners included. The only way, it appears as of tonight, to pass the Obama scam is to herd women into Pelousy’s office and hit them with a 2×4 – and that is exactly what the PINOs are doing.
“Anti-abortion Democrat Bart Stupak of Michigan is asking for a vote on his language restricting taxpayer funding for abortion, and a group of female abortion rights Democrats came out of an emergency meeting in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office Friday evening visibly angry about the prospect.
Rep. Diana Degette, D-Colorado, told reporters a vote on Stupak’s measure was a “non starter” and said “somewhere between 40 and 55” abortion rights Democrats would bolt from the bill.
“We are holding firm this time,” she insisted.”
Does anyone believe that unprincipled clown or her fellow cave-in clowns?
“Stupak, leaving the Capitol, said that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s willingness to talk to him about his idea shows Democrats “don’t have the votes, or they wouldn’t be talking to me,” he said in an interview with The Hill’s Molly Hooper.
It was not entirely clear how exactly Stupak’s proposal would work. Stupak is reportedly trying to change the abortion language through a procedure called a “concurrent resolution,” but a parliamentarian expert told The Daily Caller that such a move would face huge hurdles.
The House would likely have to pass the Senate bill, and then hold it back from going to the president for his signature while they voted on the concurrent resolution. That resolution would then have to go through the Senate
Nonetheless, Pelosi appeared to be taking the proposal seriously, judging by the reaction from her pro-choice caucus.”
Here is the reaction from the unprincipled clowns who will totally cave-in and prove Stupak is the one with principles and willing to fight for them (even as we disagree with him on the issue he gets our kudos because we like fighters):
“Rep. Diana Degette, Colorado Democrat, emerged clearly agitated from a meeting with Pelosi and other pro-choice members in a room just off the House floor.
She said the Stupak proposal was a “non-starter.”
“Nobody likes this,” she said, claiming that more than 40 pro-choice Democrats would oppose the move.
“If Mr. Stupak and a few members … decide to use this to take health care down, then that loss of health care coverage will be on them,” she said.
Asked if she was willing to vote against the health care bill if Stupak got his way, she said “we are not going to vote for a bill that restricts the woman’s right to choose beyond current law.”
“So you’re willing to take down the health care bill?” the Daily Caller asked.
“That’s it! That’s all I’m saying!” she said.
She then added: “I’m not taking any bill down.”
These unprincipled clowns deserve all the contempt and venom we can muster.
”I regret that this year-long process of debating health care reform has resulted in a final product that I cannot support. The cost of inaction on health care is great, but it would be an even bigger mistake to pass a bill that could compound the problem of skyrocketing health care costs,” Altmire said in a statement posted on his Web site.
Altmire said the “vast majority” of people in his district oppose the bill.
“Particularly hard hit would be western Pennsylvania’s Medicare beneficiaries, which many experts believe would experience dramatic premium increases with enactment of this bill,” Altmire said.
Brad Ellsworth today decided to “Save Obama” and hand the Republicans the Senate seat he announced a run for, after the Evan Bayh resignation. Some speculate this indicates that Pelousy has the votes because there is a secret deal with the pro-life contingent.
“…about the total budgetary impact of enacting the reconciliation proposal (the amendment to H.R. 4872), the Senate-passed health bill (H.R. 3590), and the Medicare Physicians Payment Reform Act of 2009 (H.R. 3961). CBO estimates that enacting all three pieces of legislation would add $59 billion to budget deficits over the 2010–2019 period.[snip]
CBO estimates that enacting H.R. 3961, by itself, would cost about $208 billion over the 2010–2019 period. (That estimate reflects the enactment of two short-term extension acts, which lowered the cost in 2010 by about $2 billion compared with CBO’s estimate of November 4, 2009.)…
CBO estimates that enacting H.R. 3961 together with those two bills would add $59 billion to budget deficits over the 2010–2019 period. That amount is about $10 billion less than the figure that would result from summing the effects of enacting the bills separately. The $10 billion difference occurs primarily because H.R. 3590 and the reconciliation proposal would modify how the government’s payments to Medicare Advantage plans are set.”
They still don’t have the votes. There is a surplus of publicity stunts and flim flams. But… They still don’t have the votes.
The Barack Obama shoot ’em up, stampede the herd, thus far has not worked.
Enter The Dragon.
“Remember the enemy has only images and illusions, behind which he hides his true motives, destroy the image and you will break the enemy”
They still don’t have the votes. Obama had to postpone his vacation. They still don’t have the votes.
It’s not Big Pink saying “They still don’t have the votes.”
“If every member votes and all GOP lawmakers vote no, the maximum number of Democratic defections to pass a bill is 37, which would result in a 216-215 tally.”
The Hill latest count also has 47 Dimocrats as “undecided”. The Obama supporters at DireFogFakes who more and more begin to act as if they had brains also have the “NO” votes (206) leading the “Save Obama” votes (191):
“Lots of information, it’s coming fast and furious now. By the way, of course Democratic leaders say they’re five votes away; that’s been their entire strategy this whole time, to assume inevitability to get people on board. I prefer to count the votes rather than be swayed by anonymous sources.”
Their very latest, count? 195 “Save Obama” votes, 208 “NO” to the scam votes.
And the most pathetic of all, the nuts at NothingLeft? They see the Dragon at Demon Pass too:
“Leaving the he said / she said aside for the moment, Stupak still appears to hold the balance on the bill. He may not have a dozen members anymore, but the vote is so close he doesn’t need that many anymore to sink the bill. [snip]
What this means is that, at least based on public whip counts, there isn’t a clear path to passage at this point without either getting the Stupak group to cave, or caving to the Stupak group. And it isn’t even clear if Democrats could make a deal with Stupak if they wanted to, given both opposition in the Senate, the threat of losing new “no to yes” votes such as Betsy Markey, and the rules on reconciliation generally.”
The “Save Obama” Dimocrats should take a look at the “Obama can’t save himself” polls:
“President Barack Obama’s job approval is the worst of his presidency to date, with 46% of Americans approving and 48% disapproving of the job he is doing as president in the latest Gallup Daily three-day average.
Obama’s approval rating has hovered around 50% since November, but in the last two days has declined to the point that slightly more Americans now disapprove than approve of his performance in office.”
What’s been going on in the last two days that has caused the decline? What could it be?
“The new low ratings come during a week in which the White House and Democratic congressional leaders are working to convince wavering House Democrats to support healthcare reform, which they hope to pass using a series of parliamentary maneuvers in the House of Representatives and Senate.”
Indeed, “Today’s Rasmussen numbers from their daily presidential poll puts Barack Obama into an unusual position. In just 14 months, he has made himself more unpopular than his predecessor, at least by the measure of strong disapproval.”
DireFogFakes, has a “fact sheet” published today which details why “They don’t have the votes” – the bill stinks as much as B.O.:
“We’ve also taken a detailed look at the bill, and have come up with 18 often stated myths about this health care reform bill.
Real health care reform is the thing we’ve fought for from the start. It is desperately needed. But this bill falls short on many levels, and hurts many people more than it helps.
A middle class family of four making $66,370 will be forced to pay $5,243 per year for insurance. After basic necessities, this leaves them with $8,307 in discretionary income — out of which they would have to cover clothing, credit card and other debt, child care and education costs, in addition to $5,882 in annual out-of-pocket medical expenses for which families will be responsible. Many families who are already struggling to get by would be better off saving the $5,243 in insurance costs and paying their medical expenses directly, rather than being forced to by [sic] coverage they can’t afford the co-pays on.”
The “fact sheet” also notes that there will be many legal challenges to the Obama health scam. There are thirty-three states with legislation at various stages to ban the mandate feature of the scam. The “fact sheet” also wisely notes the political implications for November:
“Whether Steny Hoyer believes the legality of the bill will prevail in court or not is moot, it could easily become the “gay marriage” of 2010, with one key difference: there will be no one on the other side passionately opposing it. The GOP is preparing to use it as a massive turn-out vehicle, and it not only threatens representatives in states like Florida, Colorado and Ohio where these challenges will likely be on the ballot — it threatens gubernatorial and down-ticket races as well. Artur Davis, running for governor of Alabama, is already being put on the spot about it.”
And the “fact sheet” focuses on the financial philosophy and financial questions we will address this weekend. The “fact sheet” on the IRS and the official end of the Republic:
“As Marcy Wheeler noted in an important post entitled “Health Care on the Road to NeoFeudalism,” we stand on the precipice of doing something truly radical in our government, by demanding that Americans pay almost as much money to private insurance companies as they do in federal taxes:
When this passes, it will become clear that Congress is no longer the sovereign of this nation. Rather, the corporations dictating the laws will be.
I understand the temptation to offer 30 million people health care. What I don’t understand is the nonchalance with which we’re about to fundamentally shift the relationships of governance in doing so.“
And it will be the IRS acting as the collector for Big Insurance.
The “fact sheet” counters with a footnoted series of “myths” and mythbusters:
“1. This is a universal health care bill.
The bill is neither universal health care nor universal health insurance.[snip]
2. Insurance companies hate this bill
This bill is almost identical to the plan written by AHIP, the insurance company trade association, in 2009.[snip]
3. The bill will significantly bring down insurance premiums for most Americans.
The bill will not bring down premiums significantly, and certainly not the $2,500/year that the President promised.[snip]
4. The bill will make health care affordable for middle class Americans.
The bill will impose a financial hardship on middle class Americans who will be forced to buy a product that they can’t afford to use.[snip]
5. This plan is similar to the Massachusetts plan, which makes health care affordable.
Many Massachusetts residents forgo health care because they can’t afford it.[snip]
6. This bill provide health care to 31 million people who are currently uninsured.
This bill will mandate that millions of people who are currently uninsured must purchase insurance from private companies, or the IRS will collect up to 2% of their annual income in penalties. [snip]
7. You can keep the insurance you have if you like it.
The excise tax will result in employers switching to plans with higher co-pays and fewer covered services.[snip]
8. The “excise tax” will encourage employers to reduce the scope of health care benefits, and they will pass the savings on to employees in the form of higher wages.
There is insufficient evidence that employers pass savings from reduced benefits on to employees.
9. This bill employs nearly every cost control idea available to bring down costs.
This bill does not bring down costs and leaves out nearly every key cost control measure, including: [snip]
10. The bill will require big companies like WalMart to provide insurance for their employees
The bill was written so that most WalMart employees will qualify for subsidies, and taxpayers will pick up a large portion of the cost of their coverage.
11. The bill “bends the cost curve” on health care.
The bill ignored proven ways to cut health care costs and still leaves 24 million people uninsured, all while slightly raising total annual costs by $234 million in 2019.[snip]
12. The bill will provide immediate access to insurance for Americans who are uninsured because of a pre-existing condition.
Access to the “high risk pool” is limited and the pool is underfunded. It will cover few people, and will run out of money in 2011 or 2012 [snip]
13. The bill prohibits dropping people in individual plans from coverage when they get sick.
The bill does not empower a regulatory body to keep people from being dropped when they’re sick.[snip]
14. The bill ensures consumers have access to an effective internal and external appeals process to challenge new insurance plan decisions.
The “internal appeals process” is in the hands of the insurance companies themselves, and the “external” one is up to each state. [snip]
15. This bill will stop insurance companies from hiking rates 30%-40% per year.
This bill does not limit insurance company rate hikes. Private insurers continue to be exempt from anti-trust laws, and are free to raise rates without fear of competition in many areas of the country.
16. When the bill passes, people will begin receiving benefits under this bill immediately
Most provisions in this bill, such as an end to the ban on pre-existing conditions for adults, do not take effect until 2014.[snip]
17. The bill creates a pathway for single payer.
Bernie Sanders’ provision in the Senate bill does not start until 2017, and does not cover the Department of Labor, so no, it doesn’t create a pathway for single payer.
18 The bill will end medical bankruptcy and provide all Americans with peace of mind.
Most people with medical bankruptcies already have insurance, and out-of-pocket expenses will continue to be a burden on the middle class.”
Republicans are fighting and secretly rejoicing. Some undecided Dimocrats are avoiding calls from Obama.
There will be more publicity stunts and more predictions of victory. On Saturday, Obama will hold yet another “Save Me!” rally publicity/bamboozlement stunt at the White House. But as of now, they don’t have the votes.
Financial numbers will be undercooked, cooked and overcooked – but they are a crock containing poison. The demonstrations against the Obama health scam will continue (another one, this Saturday at noon).
The publicity stunts will continue but it remains to be seen whether the herd can be stampeded. Critical Congressmen such as Altimire have to decide whether they will shatter images and illusions or vote to “Save Obama”. “Save Obama” or “NO” on the Obama health scam.
That is the choice “Save Obama” or “Stop the Obama health scam” which loots the taxpayers.
Enter the Dragon!