Waterloo And Copenhagen – Obama’s Hump Day Health Scam Vacation Hell

If he goes, there will be trouble. If he stays there will be double. Should he stay or should he go?

We say “Go! – away, permanently.” It’s either Waterloo or Copenhagen, probably both.

(1) Americans say “Go!” too – for the first time the boob’s job approval number is below the job disapproval number. Gosh and Begorrah!

(2) The Associated Press “fact check” on Obama’s claims: “Buyers, beware: President Barack Obama says his health care overhaul will lower premiums by double digits, but check the fine print. Premiums are likely to keep going up even if the health care bill passes, experts say.” Begorrah!

(3) The Hill count on “yes” votes does not look good for the boob. Gosh!

(4) Oh my Gosh! Dimocrats want Obama to postpone his vacation once again. They want Obama to stay in D.C. and work. This would mean, no vote by the Saturday deadline because not enough “yes” votes and too many “NO” votes.

(5) Oops! Our mistake. We forgot the Obama deadline was August 2009, September, October, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year’s, and St. Patrick’s Day 2010 so he could sign the scam bill and then fly off in triumph to Indonesia to meet up with protesters and bow before foreign potentates. That deadline is today, and it has already been missed.

(6) Bart Stupak says he still has a dozen “NO” votes. While PINOs (Progressives In Name Only) abandon all principles to fluff Obama (yup, that’s you Kooch), the anti-abortion/pro-life Democrats can be relied on in a fight. Disagree with Stupak or not, on the issues, he’s got guts and the type of guy you want in a fight with you. The PINOs? Cowards all of them. Remember the 60 signatures on one letter, the 95 signatures on another letter – all saying they would vote “NO” unless demands were met. Demands were not met and now they are voting “Yes”. The PINOs deserve all the misery they get.

(7) Rahm Emanuel is now a hero, according to PINOs, because he ignored and slapped PINOs.

(8) Are you aware – THERE IS NO BILL – really, there is no bill yet. The Congressional Budget Office has not received it’s numbers either. (We’ll update with the CBO numbers when they are released – rumors are the numbers stink.)

(9) Obama will be interviewed tonight on Fox News. Obama tried to destroy Fox News but that has not worked out too well either. Tonight at 6:00 p.m. Bret Baier will interview Obama. Bret Baier has said the interview (already taped) was “combative”. Obama also says “I don’t spend a lot of time worrying about what the procedural rules are in the House or Senate.

(10) Important – ARE YOU AWARE – If there is no health bill presented by today, there probably won’t be a vote this weekend? Cancel the stampede.



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We’re in a jaunty mood this St. Patrick’s Day. Perhaps it is because of this rollicking, date appropriate song, which reminds us of some fun plucky ladies:



Gosh and Begorrah!

We’ll expand and explain some of the above items – as we watch the Obama decision making “mind” at work. It took Obama months to decide on a dog, he still has not decided on a place of worship, if any. Now he has the monumental task of deciding on V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N.

As we wrote a few days ago, Obama will meet protesters on his Indonesia vacation – if he goes. Now, Obama will hear protests about his plans to go on vacation:

“Several House members interviewed by POLITICO said Obama’s looming trip to Australia, Indonesia and Guam, while creating a natural deadline for 11th-hour health care talks, is once again becoming a problem as he tries to sell reluctant members of his own party on the reform legislation.

Last week, the president pushed back his planned Friday departure three days after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats groused he was leaving at a critical time.

“For the first time in eight months, the president is finally getting his hands dirty, and now he’s going to hop on the plane? Please,” said a Democratic congressman, requesting anonymity.

“These deadlines are sort of silly,” the member added. “Remember the first one? March 18th? That was sort of like putting a calendar on [White House chief of staff] Rahm’s [Emanuel’s] back and inviting members to throw darts at him.”

Another Democrat told POLITICO bluntly, “This trip is really getting in the way of things.”

House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) now suggests the final vote on the final health care package could take longer than anticipated – perhaps dragging out past Easter Sunday, April 4.

“The chances are good” the bill would get an up-or-down vote before Easter, “but I wouldn’t bet on it,” Clyburn told McClatchy newspapers.

Obama does not understand premiums. Premiums are going up says Associated Press. Obama does not know what 3,000 percent means – he now says he meant $3,000 – but the AP trashes that nonsense as well.



So much for the attempt to stampede the congressional cattle into a “yes” pen. Now the congressional Dimocrats want to pen Obama in on the disaster. We knew the votes were not there and that it was all a bluff.

Kathleen Parker at the Washington Post is also questioning the, yet again, rush-rush.

“If the bill is so unpopular that it must be passed long before Election Day, could there be a problem with the legislation?

If health-care reform as proposed were so good for the nation, why wouldn’t legislators prefer to run on rather than away from that record? If you can’t run on the strength of the laws you pass, then either you shouldn’t be running or you shouldn’t be passing.”

Dennis Kucinich, after lambasting the Obama health scam, vowing to vote “NO”, now says he will vote “yes”. Unreliable PINO with zero credibility. Bart Stupak fights for his beliefs which is more than congressional PINOs will ever do. Congressional PINOs are cowards and sloths. Stupak fights (we might disagree with him, but the congressional PINOs (and their Big Blog boy affiliates) sold out on the abortion issue earlier and they no longer have credibility on this issue or any issue):

“Democratic Rep. Bart Stupak is still telling reporters he has a dozen pro-life Democrats who will vote against the bill if it doesn’t include the House-passed restrictions on abortion. When it was pointed out that there have already been some defections from his group, he said he picked up commitments from others.

The numbers are important because Democratic leaders need pro-life Democrats to support the bill in order to pass it.”

Nancy Pelousy called a meeting of Dimocratic Congressional women. We’re sure it was to plan more hypocritical publicity stunts to talk about how they support women and abortion rights, but when the time came to fight, they acted just like the men – Cowards All. These PINO women and the PINO men are rightly mocked by Republicans and conservatives. Blast it, we’ll mock them too. Cowards.

Arrogance! Incompetence! Corruption! Cowardice! We’re not the only ones mocking “Sunshine Week”.

Mark Knoller, the record keeper at CBS notes “the National Debt has increased over $2 trillion since President Obama took office.” Obama racked up the $2 trillion debt in 421 days – it took George W. Bush four years to rack up $4.9 trillion.

The Obama health scam vote counts are fairly consistent. It’s close. CNN says “NO” votes are 11 shy of killing the health scam. Five more opponents from the Dimocrat side popped up today.

Protest video:



The information leaking is that the CBO report is not good.

“A story from Congressional Quarterly reports:..

“Rank-and-file Democrats did not talk about the details, but said that the CBO scores [of the House reconciliation bill] had come up short. ‘They were less than expected’ in terms of deficit reduction, said Rep. Gene Green, D-Texas, who plans to vote for the bill.”…

There are several things that Democrats are up against when it comes to the CBO score. The most important is that, based on reconciliation instructions, the “fix” bill must be shown to reduce the deficit by at least $1 billion. The challenge is, that’s after assuming that the Senate bill is law. In other words, the reconciliation bill can’t claim any of the deficit reduction from the Senate bill, but rather it must reduce the deficit relative to the Senate bill. Yet the changes that are being talked about will cost a lot of money. This includes eliminating the “Cornhusker kickback” and offering enhanced Medicaid subsidies to all states, increasing subsidies for the purchase of insurance, eliminating the so-called “donut hole” on Medicare prescription drug benefits, and whatever else they put in the bill. At the same time, delaying until 2018 the enactment of the “Cadillac tax” would be scored as a reduction in revenue, and thus add further to the deficit. They’d have to make up the gap through tax increases as well as try to siphon “savings” away from the student loan bill. (More on that here.) But evidently it seems like they’re running into trouble on this front.

The most important for last. Today is a very important deadline day, and, they still don’t have the votes:

“On timing, Clyburn said in an interview with McClatchy Newspapers over the weekend that the vote could slide past Easter Sunday — April 4 — while others said they believe the package can clear the chamber late this week. [snip]

Democratic leaders who are furiously whipping votes behind the scenes also faced headwinds because they have not yet gotten the blessing of the Congressional Budget Office nor released the text of the reconciliation bill. That delay appeared to push a vote to Saturday at the earliest because House leaders want to give Members at least 72 hours to read the bill.

If the package isn’t unveiled Wednesday, Democrats would not be able to keep the 72-hour rule and vote before President Barack Obama is scheduled to leave for his trip to Indonesia and Australia. Obama has already pushed back his trip three days to try to accommodate the House vote; he is set to depart Sunday.

That’s right – No bill, No text, No CBO, No votes, No vacation, No Hope, No change. Just talk. And vacations.

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188 thoughts on “Waterloo And Copenhagen – Obama’s Hump Day Health Scam Vacation Hell

  1. Reminder: The boob will be interviewed on Fox News at 6:00 p.m. For those that cannot stand to watch, we’re sure there will be video released and we will post what is available.

  2. confloyd,

    If people want cites for the US health system NOT ranking very well against other nations’, there are a lot of good cites out there. Iirc it’s usually about 1/3 down from the best.

  3. obama on bret: blah blah blah…. same old run around

    wont answer the very first question , bret asked him if he supported/approved of the house and senate using the ” slaughter house rule/ deeming it passed”

    again blah blah blah… just the usual talking points

    Broken Record!

  4. (6) Bart Stupak says he still has a dozen “NO” votes. While PINOs (Progressives In Name Only) abandon all principles to fluff Obama (yup, that’s you Kooch), the anti-abortion/pro-life Democrats can be relied on in a fight. Disagree with Stupak or not, on the issues, he’s got guts and the type of guy you want in a fight with you.

    ====================

    Unfortunately, at the moment that’s a reason for pro-choice people to support passing the bill now without Stupak — before the bill’s supporters meet Stupak’s terms instead.

  5. Djia, Bret is doing a good job. Obama is dancing as fast as he can but Bret is keeping up. The flim-flam is obvious when questions are asked and answers required.

  6. TurndownObama, most if not all the “pro-choice” hypocrites, the ones who voted against “choice” before, are already “yes” votes.

  7. Bret is doing an awesome job… the boob is flailing, lying and getting ruder by the second!

    His (the boob) ARROGANCE IS ON FULL DISPLAY

  8. My math is not sufficient to understand what a 3000% drop would mean. I know what a 50% drop what mean, but what’s a 3000% drop. If someone is paying $24k a year, what would their premium be after that? Is this a statement that has any meaning? Are there people paying so much for premiums that the statement makes sense?

    What is so depressing is that it seems a handful of industries are lining up to milk America dry. During the Bush years, the wealthy got tax breaks but the military industrial complex got trillions to wage useless wars. Health insurance premiums kept rising. Energy corporations bilked Americans in general, and Californians in particular, out of billions of dollars with no fall out. The real industry created a bubble and drove housing costs through the roof far and away from the wages of ordinary Americans. Mortgage brokers got paid huge bucks for subprime loans to people who couldn’t afford them and wouldn’t qualify for a regular loan, and even sadder, to people who could afford a prime loan but got shuffled into the subprime market instead. The financial industry engaged in every kind of chicanery possible and Bush/Obama gave them a trillion dollar bail out. The oil industry drove the cost of gas and heating oil through the roof while seeing record profits. And now, we’re looking to institutionalize Americans use of health insurance in a way that protects the health insurance industries profits rather than American’s right to health care.

    Will Americans ever tire of the corruption or is our national dialogue so thoroughly polluted that we’ll simply become a slightly more refined version of what passes for capitalism in modern Russia?

  9. Bret is asking him touch questions….. he definitely does not like it

    I doubt he will ever go on fox news again LOL

    GO BRET GO!!

  10. My head is spinning……

    Is it, isn’t it.

    No bill, no votes, arm twisting, lies, secrets, payoffs, rules changed and we continue to sit and wait for more congressional drama, wondering when it’s our turn for payback.

    The final bill should be posted in Mad Magazine when it’s finished, it will be a big joke on taxpayers and especially the elderly.

    And, don’t forget, we will have to pay for this piece of @rap for four years before anyone gets to use ‘it’.

  11. Shadowfax – The deadline is midnight tonight for the nonexistent bill to materialize and the CBO score to appear. If this does not happen by midnight, no vote can take place on Saturday. Mad magazine would not touch this story. It’s sort of a Cinderella story – at midnight the carriage, the Prince and the Princess all turn to rotting pumpkins.

  12. admin- thanks for the bottom line, and does it mean if no vote Friday, the whole fiasco will start over on Monday or can Nancy deem the dead done?

  13. Admin, you never responded to my question about Bill’s saying he and Hill would be the “happiest people in America” if this Bill passes. Is funny, though, while I completely disagree with the premise, he tied his argument for this bill to jobs and something some Harvard economist came up with, you’d think Obama would get a clue and learn to make these sorts of cases if he wants to pass these crappy laws.

  14. mj, can we exchange emails, I have some information on that question of yours, but do not want to post them here, if so, admin, will you give mj my email, Please!

  15. admin- oops, sorry for typo…

    if no vote Friday, the whole fiasco will start over on Monday or can Nancy deem the vote done? (Without a vote)

  16. Confloyd, I think admin has my old email address. I don’t think I’ll get it. I don’t remember the password. But they can try.

  17. I guess Potus thought he was safe to go on Fox News now because the Saudi’s own so much of Fox now.

  18. Neither extreme is palatable. Both would burn the village to save it. But if I were forced to choose between the two, I think I would say the far right is marginally preferable. Why? Because they stick to their principles and consistency is worth something. You can plan around consistency–to support it or to oppose it. You know where they stand. But the far left? No way. They have no principles. They have only preening posturing and positions which they abandon at will when they are tested. Dennis Kuccinch is a fine example. He can go on and on and on about his principles. But when the chips are down, he folds like a cheap watch. He reminds me of Alfred E. Newman.

  19. Excuse but their is no visible far Left in American politics. Obama and his crew are hardly the “far left”>

  20. I don’t like the far right because they are greedy and corrupt.

    I don’t like the far left for the very same reason.

    I am sticking to the middle where I can cherry pick the best of both. I think of myself as a Clinton Democrat.

  21. I received this e-mail from Marcia Fudge, the woman who took Stephanie Tubbs Jones place.

    Thank you for your recent letter in regards to comprehensive health care reform. The issues you raise are of concern to me, and I will be sure to take your views into account as I vote on final healthcare legislation. I appreciate you taking the time to contact me and apologize for the delayed response.

    Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said, “Of all the forms of inequality, injustice in healthcare is the most shocking and inhumane.” Forty years after Dr. King made this statement, injustice persists. America is currently in the midst of a growing healthcare crisis. It is my belief that access to health care is a fundamental human right that should be provided by one’s government to people of all ages. As Congress continues to discuss healthcare reform, I will advocate for the millions of Americans who are currently under and uninsured.

    The employer market is the primary method of obtaining health insurance in this country. In 2005, Nearly 46.6 million Americans were uninsured—up almost 7 million since 2000. The rate of those without insurance has grown 1.7 percentage points during this period, from 14.2% in 2000 to 15.9% in 2005. In the midst of this healthcare crises in our country it will take much work and ingenuity to achieve our goal of reducing both the rising costs of healthcare and the number of uninsured and underinsured in our country while maintaining the quality of our services.

    In November, I was proud to vote for HR 3962, the Affordable Health Care for America Act. HR 3962 passed the House by a vote of 220-215. Similarly, as you may have seen on Christmas Eve, the Senate passed its own version of healthcare reform, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, by a vote of 60-39. While there are many similarities between the two bills, there are some differences. Therefore, the House and Senate are currently working on negotiating a final bill to send to President Obama to be signed into law.

    Both pieces of legislation make it easier for lower and middle-income families, as well as small business, to afford health insurance. Similarly, both the House and Senate bills would make the necessary changes to the Medicare system to make it more efficient, affordable, and accessible to all who qualify. Perhaps most importantly, both bills would make insurance coverage available to individuals who have a pre-existing condition or a chronic illness which prevents them from obtaining coverage today. This is a crucial component of the legislation as it will help to guarantee that high quality healthcare coverage is a universal right for all Americans.

    However, there are clear differences between the two bills. The largest difference in the two versions is with regard to a national government-run health insurance program – a “public option” – which is included in the House bill, but not in the Senate bill. The two bills also differ with how they approach the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP). The House measure would phase out the CHIP program by 2013, and extend Medicaid and affordability credits for children instead, while the Senate version maintains the CHIP program as a separate entity. There are various other subtle differences between the two bills, as they seek to address and finance the subtleties of the health industry differently. Both measures however, are estimated to provide insurance to over 30 million Americans.

    Reforming and modernizing our healthcare industry is a long and difficult task. But, it is a necessary one in order to address the current injustices in our current system. Therefore, I will work tirelessly as your representative to see that just and meaningful reforms are made. A crucial part of that success is communicating with my constituents, which is why I am always encouraged when I receive comments such as yours. I will take your views into full consideration as the House and Senate continue to debate this crucial piece of legislation. Thank you again for contacting me.

    Sincerely,

    Marcia L. Fudge

    Member of Congress

  22. If you reduce the premiums (or any cost) by 100% then it is free. Beyond that it is nonsense. Obama with his 3000% talk is a fucking fool — I don’t know how he ever got to where he is (wait, don’t answer that..)

  23. To repeat neither extreme is palatable. The “middle” is defined by the overlap between the right and the left. But in a deeply divided country, there may be no overlap, ergo no middle. Obama is a demagogue. He is only interested in power. He is the embodiment of that passage from Orwell’s 1984. He divides the country by race, by age, by income level, by party and in every other way possible. Why? To divide and conquer. No force in the world is capable of standing up to this Caesar. His ego straddles the seven seas. School children speak from here to Timbucktoo speak his name. Adults build monuments to him and worship his name. His word is divide law. Big media sucks his dick. And he will be blown over by a gust of wind lighter than a feather when the time comes and will tumble to the ground in dust like an rotten redwood.

  24. Gallagher opened the morning newspaper and was dumbfounded to read in the obituary column that he had died. He quickly phoned his best friend, Finney.

    ‘Did you see the paper?’ asked Gallagher. ‘They say I died!!’

    ‘Yes, I saw it!’ replied Finney. ‘Where are ye callin’ from?’

  25. According to CNN Political Ticker, opponents of HC bill 11 votes shy ….seems like not if, but when this will pass.

  26. Admin:

    If you can, will you give us the latest update whether this thing is going to pass before midnight?

    Much appreciated-

  27. Love it!

    Paddy was in New York

    He was patiently waiting and watching the traffic cop on a busy street crossing.. The cop stopped the flow of traffic and shouted, ‘Okay, pedestrians..’ Then he’d allow the traffic to pass.

    He’d done this several times, and Paddy still stood on the sidewalk.

    After the cop had shouted, ‘Pedestrians!’ for the tenth time, Paddy went over to him and said, ‘Is it not about time ye let the Catholics across?’

  28. Just wondering if Obama dropped a heap of money at the bookies when he visited Vegas a few weeks ago betting he’d get HC passed. Notice the strained look on his face.

  29. Has anyone seen this??

    Final destination Iran?
    Exclusive: Rob Edwards

    0 commentsPublished on 14 Mar 2010

    Hundreds of powerful US “bunker-buster” bombs are being shipped from California to the British island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean in preparation for a possible attack on Iran.

    The Sunday Herald can reveal that the US government signed a contract in January to transport 10 ammunition containers to the island. According to a cargo manifest from the US navy, this included 387 “Blu” bombs used for blasting hardened or underground structures.

    Experts say that they are being put in place for an assault on Iran’s controversial nuclear facilities. There has long been speculation that the US military is preparing for such an attack, should diplomacy fail to persuade Iran not to make nuclear weapons.

    Although Diego Garcia is part of the British Indian Ocean Territory, it is used by the US as a military base under an agreement made in 1971. The agreement led to 2,000 native islanders being forcibly evicted to the Seychelles and Mauritius.

    The Sunday Herald reported in 2007 that stealth bomber hangers on the island were being equipped to take bunker-buster bombs.

    They are gearing up totally for the destruction of Iran Dan Plesch, director, Centre for International Studies and Diplomacy, University of London
    Although the story was not confirmed at the time, the new evidence suggests that it was accurate.

    Contract details for the shipment to Diego Garcia were posted on an international tenders’ website by the US navy.

    A shipping company based in Florida, Superior Maritime Services, will be paid $699,500 to carry many thousands of military items from Concord, California, to Diego Garcia.

    Crucially, the cargo includes 195 smart, guided, Blu-110 bombs and 192 massive 2000lb Blu-117 bombs.

    “They are gearing up totally for the destruction of Iran,” said Dan Plesch, director of the Centre for International Studies and Diplomacy at the University of London, co-author of a recent study on US preparations for an attack on Iran. “US bombers are ready today to destroy 10,000 targets in Iran in a few hours,” he added.

    The preparations were being made by the US military, but it would be up to President Obama to make the final decision. He may decide that it would be better for the US to act instead of Israel, Plesch argued.

    “The US is not publicising the scale of these preparations to deter Iran, tending to make confrontation more likely,” he added. “The US … is using its forces as part of an overall strategy of shaping Iran’s actions.”

    According to Ian Davis, director of the new independent thinktank, Nato Watch, the shipment to Diego Garcia is a major concern. “We would urge the US to clarify its intentions for these weapons, and the Foreign Office to clarify its attitude to the use of Diego Garcia for an attack on Iran,” he said.

    For Alan Mackinnon, chair of Scottish CND, the revelation was “extremely worrying”. He stated: “It is clear that the US government continues to beat the drums of war over Iran, most recently in the statements of Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton.

    “It is depressingly similar to the rhetoric we heard prior to the war in Iraq in 2003.”

    The British Ministry of Defence has said in the past that the US government would need permission to use Diego Garcia for offensive action. It has already been used for strikes against Iraq during the 1991 and 2003 Gulf wars.

    About 50 British military staff are stationed on the island, with more than 3,200 US personnel. Part of the Chagos Archipelago, it lies about 1,000 miles from the southern coasts of India and Sri Lanka, well placed for missions to Iran.

    The US Department of Defence did not respond to a request for a comment.

  30. Mrs. Smith, below is the latest.

    No Saturday vote, Sunday at the earliest. Remember Obama is supposed to leave on Sunday so any delay will be a problem. If Obama is forced to delay his departure the bill becomes more difficult to pass. The entire enterprise as of late has been a flim-flam about having sufficient votes. They don’t have the votes. Both sides are close to having the votes.

    In August the battle was to delay the vote past the August recess. Now the battle is to delay the vote past the Easter recess when congress goes home to get an earful from constituents.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/87517-no-cbo-score-wednesday-saturday-healthcare-vote-unlikelyhttp://thehill.com/homenews/house/87517-no-cbo-score-wednesday-saturday-healthcare-vote-unlikely

    House Democratic leaders on Wednesday night said the long-awaited Congressional Budget Office score of the reconciliation bill will not come out until Thursday, forcing an acknowledgement that a Saturday healthcare vote is likely off the table.

    But leaders are still hoping for a score on Thursday, and are still preparing for a possible vote before the end of the weekend.

    The release of a CBO score on Thursday – triggering the Democrats’ 72-hour clock – would mean that voting on the reconciliation bill would “most likely happen on Sunday, if that scenario plays out,” Assistant to the Speaker Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) told reporters after leaving Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-Calif.) office Wednesday night.

    Rep. Robert Andrews (D-N.J.), leaving that same meeting, said that the delay is the result of numerous technical issues involved, and stressed that, despite any rumors to the contrary, the delays are not the result of policy problems.

    “My understanding is this has been much more technical than substantive,” Andrews said. “It’s not like what tax has to go or what spending has to go.”

    Andrews did say, though, that the CBO is also taking extra time to protect the legislation from invariable legal challenges to the reconciliation process, if not the eventual law itself.

    “The reason it’s taking so long, in part, is that we want to be sure that we have a score that’s solid as a rock for procedural purposes and potentially litigation purposes down the road,” Andrews said. “We all assume that the same forces that fought this so vociferously in the Congress will fight it in the courts, and we want to be prepared for that.”

  31. Drudge has this as the big story:
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011367936_walgreens18m.html

    Effective April 16, Walgreens drugstores across the state won’t take any new Medicaid patients, saying that filling their prescriptions is a money-losing proposition — the latest development in an ongoing dispute over Medicaid reimbursement.

    The company, which operates 121 stores in the state, will continue filling Medicaid prescriptions for current patients.

    In a news release, Walgreens said its decision to not take new Medicaid patients stemmed from a “continued reduction in reimbursement” under the state’s Medicaid program, which reimburses it at less than the break-even point for 95 percent of brand-name medications dispensed to Medicaid patents.

    Walgreens follows Bartell Drugs, which stopped taking new Medicaid patients last month at all 57 of its stores in Washington, though it still fills Medicaid prescriptions for existing customers at all but 15 of those stores.

  32. Mj, we’ve addressed the issue previously. As always we think the medium is the message. If Bill and Hillary wanted to come out in support of Obama’s health scam they know what to do. They would hold, or at least Bill would hold, large rallies and big speeches and make an all out effort. Bill and Hillary also do not just talk they know how to communicate both enthusiasm and passion. They know how to get the message out when they want to.

    Thus far the only comments to come from either Clinton is due to muted answers to interview questions to – Hillary snuck in interviews scheduled to discuss other topics. Bill has thus far done about two private, behind closed doors, closed to press, speeches to congressional Dimocrats and discussed health care (along with a single quoted email, if we recall correctly).

    The latest comments again came after a meeting on another topic (“to discuss climate change” in this case. People like Kerry and Obama no doubt want to drag Bill and Hillary into commenting and supporting the health scam so that is why the invitations are extended.) If Bill wanted to create news Bill knows how to do that. Right now, it looks like Bill and Hillary are doing a superb job of steering clear of the mess, as difficult as that is.

    The medium is the message.

    http://www.rollcall.com/news/44251-1.html

  33. OMG, So now the the medicare patients won’t be able to get prescriptions, Doctors are not going to see them…this is all about BREAKING medicare and nothing else. This will be the excuse, that the dims screwed it up…the two surgeons in my little town quit taking medicare patients a couple months ago. This is coming true, DON’T GET SICK and if you do DIE QUICKLY!

  34. What they are saying that the baby boomers won’t be able to get medicare…I knew it…this is what the whole Obama BS, Republican BS, and the defeat of Hillary Clinton was all about…a consorted effort to screw the baby boomers from Social security and Medicare.

  35. neetabug
    March 17th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
    *****************

    Unbelievable. I certainly do not consider health care a civil right. I do not believe the gov has the right to steal my money, more than they already do, to pay for 30 million people, many very capable of working. Yes the system is broke, I know it, believe me. My husband, whom owns a business, tried to cover us with private insurance. Because he had high blood pressure and I hypothyroid, very common, and meds cost about seven dollars a month for me, charged us three thousand dollars a month. I had to change jobs and use my employers insurance. I lost a lot of freedom in my schedule, but you do what you have to. People don’t want to work today. And before anyone Say’s “my children are unemployed, you don’t know”, oh yes I do. I have been in that situation. I have eaten mac and cheese everyday and put myself through college in a field I knew I could get a decent job. I haven’t missed a days work in a doz years. But this is not the mantra today. Somehow we brought up generations to expect less from themselves and more from others. This week a twenty four year old with bipolar disease told me. “I don’t work. I’m bipolar”. He has two kids, different women, never married, and of course grandparents are raising them with gov assistance. Another told me point blank that she was in the hospital to make a case for SSI. She wanted documentation that she was, yes, bipolar. Which of course she isn’t. She told me that waitressing just really wasn’t working out for her…but apparently our money would. On any given day, at least seventy percent of my patients are on the gov (you and me) handout. The letter from your representative, as with all the kool-aid drinkers, never address the fact that this is a Republic, we have a constitution, that they are ever so willing to destroy.A constituting that gives us a representational gov, not fascism.

    Yes we need heath reform…desperatly, but this is robbery. This is 2000 pages of bullshit and will only make health care worse for the American people and enrich the coffers of the Insurance companies by billions and soon trillions of our hard earned monies. None of them have read it. They can’t explain what’s really in it. But they will vote for it. Personally I already stay up half the night trying to figure out what to do with all of the 50% of my take home pay as it is.

  36. admin
    March 17th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
    ************
    Never fear, the gov will let Medicaid patients import drugs from “Canada”. Home delivery no less!

  37. Health care is a clear human right.

    Admin, thanks so much.

    confloyd, it is Medicaid that Walgreens will no longer take not Medicare.

  38. March 17th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    admin
    March 17th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
    ************
    Never fear, the gov will let Medicaid patients import drugs from “Canada”. Home delivery no less!

    No actually, the deal Obama made witht he drug companies was against both reimportation or using the market power of the federal government to negotiate drug prices, so no, if this bill is passed, no drugs from Canada.

  39. Access to health care should not be denied, but it is not your right to access my money to pay for it without my permission!

  40. Greta just said the vote will be Sunday and the cost will come in tomorrow.
    I wonder if Nancy will get any sleep, she has many arms to twist.

    Also, meeting with women Dem congresswomen today, no one will tell what the meeting was about…
    So many secrets, so little time.

  41. #
    gonzotx
    March 17th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    Access to health care should not be denied, but it is not your right to access my money to pay for it without my permission!

    And who the hell is trying to do that? You continue to live under the delusion that Obama’s health plan is a socialist takeover of health care. It is not. It actually reinforces the system already in place. Just so you know, the feds already pay nearly half of all medical bills with private insurers paying out just over 1/3 as it is. Tax payer money already pays nearly half of all medical bills, capice?

  42. This reminds me of the primary when the Fraud would have the idiots walk the peep plank, like Edwards, Richardson… everytime Hillary would win, to take the bloom of the rose and pretend they had actually “won”…

    I hate this man…
    **********************

    Kucinich: Getting His Moment In The Sun On Health Care-No To Yes
    *****************************
    Minnesota Rep. James Oberstar, an ardent backer of the House abortion restrictions, will vote for the final package after a further review of the Senate’s language, giving top Democrats a critical endorsement as they lean on their rank-and-file to back the Senate bill.
    “I wanted to see the language, understand it better, have conversations with Sen. Nelson,” Oberstar said Wednesday. “On balance, it does what we need to do.”

    This NYT article calls Kildee a “Stupak ally,” but in fact he’s not on many’ people’s lists of the Stupak 12.

    Gabe tells me he already assumed Kildee was a Yes so this is no change from his analysis. But the media will claim he’s one of Stupak’s 12 — note that deceptive way the NYT phrases it, “Stupak ally” though not a Stupak vote — and will use this as evidence as more fauxmentum.

  43. mj
    March 17th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
    **************

    I am aware that the Gov, my money, is ALREADY being taken to pay for much of the health care in this country. I am on the front lines everyday @ work. I see the abuses by both the fraudulent people, Insurance and Gov. You are telling me nothing I don’t know already.

    The system is broke and this travesty will bankrupt this Country.

  44. Admin,

    For one of the few times I can think of I strongly disagree with your assessment that Bill & Hill are somehow straddling this HC issue.

    Saying they’ll be the happiest people in America if (actually when, and not if) this atrocity of a bill passes can really only be taken one way.

    To this day we do not know why they refused to go to Denver, and instead essentially went to work for BO and a PLAINLY corrupted party, supporting BO’s election, the stimulus, etc. Evidence accumulates over time and it does NOT look good.

    Those of you who remember me know I can get a bit edgy :). And despite having basically foresaken politics since the primaries, I’m more than a little peturbed tonight after having to revisit this HC debate, one I’ve been following since 1991.

    All you really had to do was catch Dennis Kucinich on CNN, who looked like he lost his dog (to a convoy of tractor trailers) after BO & the Dems apparently put the screws to him and is now suporting the bill.

    Another massive transfer of wealth from the pockets of the middle class to the upper echelon.
    And if you want to convince me otherwise you’d better be one hell of a talker (make that liar).

    I remember asking (think it was Basil) before the bailout bill if I was right to be so pessimistic, that it really appeared to me to be Once-and-for-All over, that Americans had managed to waste the gains of the past 70 years through their neglect of the political system and that we were all essentially fucked.

    I see no reason to vary from that position.

  45. Hillart is showing the world what a real experienced President serves her country and the world.

    _Interactive Travel Map

    On March 18-19 Secretary Clinton, accompanied by Senator Mitchell, will participate in a meeting of the Quartet with United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, and European Union High Representative Catherine Ashton, as well as Quartet Representative Tony Blair, to discuss efforts to promote Middle East peace.

    The Secretary will also meet with senior Russian officials to discuss progress on a successor agreement to START, cooperation on nonproliferation, counterterrorism, regional security issues, and the work of the Bilateral Presidential Commission.

    _____________________________________________________

  46. mj said:
    the deal Obama made witht he drug companies was against both reimportation or using the market power of the federal government to negotiate drug prices, so no, if this bill is passed, no drugs from Canada.

    ==========================

    Right. A clear immediate harm to individuals who are now ordering from Canadian pharmacies.

    This was in all the mainstream media a while back. But now the bots can say “Well, you can’t prove it’s in the current bill, you don’t know what’s in it.”

  47. New Poll Finds Americans Really, Really Do Not Want ObamaCare

    http://tinyurl.com/yavvdto

    The CMPI-A/PJM poll demonstrates an extremely high level of concern with the current bill:

    · Six in ten Americans (60%) agree that a current Democrat proposal to send the Senate health care bill to the president without voting up or down on it is “unfair.”

    · Most Americans oppose (81%) health care reforms that would increase insurance premiums for healthy people to offset premiums of people who wait until they are diagnosed with an illness to purchase insurance.

    · Eight Americans in ten (81%) oppose allowing the government to decide what kind of health care coverage Americans are able to purchase.

    · Most Americans (87%) oppose having a government panel recommend or decide what medical procedures or medical advances your doctor or health plan can or cannot use.

    · More than eight Americans in ten (84%) support reforms that would allow people to buy health insurance where it is the least expensive, such as across state lines.

    · Three in four Americans (76%) oppose health care reforms that would raise taxes and cut Medicare benefits to pay for health care subsidies for expanded coverage for those currently insured.

    · Eight Americans in ten (78%) support health care reforms that would let people buy less costly health plans and save and invest for health care needs in the future on a tax-free basis.

    · Half of Americans (51%) oppose health care reforms that would let people lock-in premiums by paying more for their insurance.

    · Most Americans (85%) support health care reforms that would let people get lower premiums for getting or staying healthy.

    · Eight Americans in ten (82%) support the idea that more money should be invested in the development of cures for the most devastating diseases.

  48. Tax money helps a lot of people who don’t work or pay taxes. It builds sidewalks and traffic lights, puts out fires, supports libraries and schools; maintains defense; does research…. Having a lot of sick people walking around is not good for anyone. It’s dangerous; they might walk in front of your SUV 😉 And they drive, too.

  49. Tax money helps a lot of people who don’t work or pay taxes.

    Tax money helps a lot of people who don’t work or pay taxes.

    Tax money helps a lot of people who don’t work or pay taxes.

    Tax money helps a lot of people who don’t work or pay taxes.

  50. Well, it does. I’m against ObamaCare, for HillaryCare, but it would really help the poor, with subsidies and public option.

  51. turndownobama
    March 17th, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    Well why don’t we just avoid the middle man and you can just cut me a check. I’m tired of working, I could use a break. Say, 20% of your gross? I’ll collect the rest from mj…

  52. admin
    March 17th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    Mrs. Smith, below is the latest.

    No Saturday vote, Sunday at the earliest. Remember Obama is supposed to leave on Sunday so any delay will be a problem. If Obama is forced to delay his departure the bill becomes more difficult to pass. The entire enterprise as of late has been a flim-flam about having sufficient votes. They don’t have the votes. Both sides are close to having the votes.

    In August the battle was to delay the vote past the August recess. Now the battle is to delay the vote past the Easter recess when congress goes home to get an earful from constituents.
    ______________________________

    Thanks, Admin- Easter recess it is then.. yes?

  53. So, gonzo, you are against public health insurance? Correct? You didn’t like Hillary Medicare-like public plan? Is that right? You prefer ideas like buying insurance across state lines? I that right?

  54. Gonzotex, I am with you on that, there are many folks (young) perfectly able to work who don’t, yet my husband after getting diagnosed with MS and half the time did not know what day it was or where he was took over 5 years and a lawyer to get his diability after he had worked 7days a week 12 hours a day over 25 years. They were real stingy with the money he put in himself, yet these bipolar folks get disability and medicaid at the drop of the hat.

    When I had the bar you would of been surprised how many bipolar folks drank all day at my bar, many had jobs that paid them under the table. They really need to tighten up the qualifications, but make easier for those who really are sick.

    There is absolutely no way my husband could of worked yet many with MS do, it affects people differently and thats why its so hard to get on disability with it. He’s in the middle of an excerbation now and it just barely able to think or walk yet I worked 2 jobs for over 5 years and finished getting my last child thru high school while we went thru the process.

    I don’t know who the doctors were in Trinty, Tx that recommended all these people to get on disability but they need their licenses revoked.

  55. I think expanding LBJ’s Medicare to everyone or anyone who wants to buy in is the best method for controlling health care inflation. I also think technology is what is really making health care prices rise, and like nuclear power, it is just not something the private sector, or certainly individuals, can control or afford. I think those who think Obama’s plan is socialist rather than facist, or gives so much to lazy poor people or whatever, are ignorant dolts, who have little understanding of health care finance.

  56. Gonzotex, You been posting here for a long time and I bet you, you would not deny a really sick person disability, would you?? Say one with Cancer, bad MS or ALS, something of that nature, I don’t think even the most right wing republican would deny a person that, do you?

  57. Confloyd, that’s funny, you just said it’s too easy to get disability, yet, you also said it took your husband five years. I am AMAZED some of you ever supported Hillary at all. I mean, Hillary Clinton is a liberal Democrat. It’s really funny.

  58. Tax money helps a lot of people who don’t work or pay taxes.

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    As it should. Our society should take care of the elderly, the physically disabled, the mentally impaired. It is part of our humanity. Fortunately, I am able to work and pay a huge amount of money in taxes. I don’t like it, but what if something happened to me and I couldn’t work? A safety net is there for a reason. Yes, there are people who take advantage of the system and the fraud and misuse of services needs to be improved, but the alternative would be a public health disaster.

  59. #
    confloyd
    March 17th, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    Gonzotex, You been posting here for a long time and I bet you, you would not deny a really sick person disability, would you?? Say one with Cancer, bad MS or ALS, something of that nature, I don’t think even the most right wing republican would deny a person that, do you?

    Do you think people with mental illnesses are not sick? So you disagree with Hillary who was a huge proponent of mental health parity, is that correct?

  60. mj,

    I think buying insurance across state lines might be a big improvement (though of course the other parts of HIllaryCare would still be needed).

    I’m talking about anyone anywhere at any time being able to shop all over the country for health insurance.

    Some federal regulations could be added if necessary. Or the companies would have to abide by the regulations of each state they sell in. Or both.

    I’ve heard that in fact each state has one insurance company with 60% or more of the business, perhaps only 3 or 4 companies doing business there at all. So within each state there’s not really much choice.

  61. confloyd
    March 17th, 2010 at 11:48 pm
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    My mother had MS…I know what you are going thru, I am sorry and will pray for you and your husband.

    You are right. It doesn’t appear to take much to get disability for mental illness. Now I work in the mental health field and there are truly folks who need it. The chronic Schizophrenics come to mind, but the bipolars, ADD, alcoholics, drug addicts…wok the system. So many of them live in group homes, get their checks, buy drugs and alcohol and then come in the hospital, lie about being suicidal to get in and then demand the social worker find them housing, over and over again. Working the system. I can’t stand it. It has gotten worse and worse over the years. I am probably going to do day surgery because I just can’t be impartial anymore.

  62. #
    birdgal
    March 17th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    Tax money helps a lot of people who don’t work or pay taxes.

    ————————————————————

    As it should. Our society should take care of the elderly, the physically disabled, the mentally impaired. It is part of our humanity. Fortunately, I am able to work and pay a huge amount of money in taxes. I don’t like it, but what if something happened to me and I couldn’t work? A safety net is there for a reason. Yes, there are people who take advantage of the system and the fraud and misuse of services needs to be improved, but the alternative would be a public health disaster.

    Exactly. Although according to the GAO most of the “fraud and abuse” comes from the hospital billing side, not the people who receive relatively sparse services from the government.

  63. If the “Slaughter Rule” is employed, there is a lawsuit ready to be filed:

    http://landmarklegal.org/DesktopDefault.aspx

    Mark R. Levin, president of Landmark Legal Foundation, today issued a warning to the leadership of the U.S. House of Representatives about the possible use of the so-called “deem and pass,” “self-executing,” or “Slaughter Rule” to enact H.R. 3590, the legislative version of President Obama’s healthcare proposal that has been previously approved by the Senate. If this tactic is employed, Landmark will immediately sue the President, Attorney General Eric Holder and other relevant cabinet members to prevent them from instituting this unconstitutional contrivance.

    “Landmark has already prepared a lawsuit that will be filed in federal court the moment the House acts. Such a brazen violation of the core functions of Congress simply cannot be ignored. Article I, Section 7 of the Constitution is clear respecting the manner in which a bill becomes law. Members are required to vote on this bill, not claim they did when they didn’t. The Speaker of the House and her lieutenants are temporary custodians of congressional authority. They are not empowered to do permanent violence to our Constitution.”

    (A draft of the complaint Landmark will file is available at:

    Landmark’s Draft “Slaughter Rule” Complaint

    Draft complaint is a pdf file located at:

    http://landmarklegal.org/uploads/Landmark%20Complaint%20%2800013086-2%29.pdf

  64. mj, what I meant to say is that it is easy for some….especially those with mental disorders….people who are really sick seem to find it difficult to get on disability…it doesn’t make sense. There are many young people I know personally that are on disability due to bipolar….yet I work with people who have a job and go to it everyday that are bipolar. How do you figure that out??

    I think its the doctors that are making these decisions and if you know the right one, you get on…its as simple as that.

    I don’t think all the people that are on disability should be on it, some work under the table. It should be a crime to work under the table if you are on disability. Since my husband worked many years his disability is on the large side, some of those youngsters Gonzo is talking about get $675. a month. No where near enough to live on, but yet they want to get on it. Go figure?

  65. #
    turndownobama
    March 17th, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    mj,

    I think buying insurance across state lines might be a big improvement (though of course the other parts of HIllaryCare would still be needed).

    I’m talking about anyone anywhere at any time being able to shop all over the country for health insurance.

    Some federal regulations could be added if necessary. Or the companies would have to abide by the regulations of each state they sell in. Or both.

    I’ve heard that in fact each state has one insurance company with 60% or more of the business, perhaps only 3 or 4 companies doing business there at all. So within each state there’s not really much choice.

    There is no evidence that competition among insurers actually brings down prices because even where you have multiple insurers, you have price collusion. these markets are not free markets. they are fixed markets. The insurers slice and dice the customers among themselves. It would not do a damn thing accept make junk insurance available in states which now have tight regulations in place.

  66. mj,

    Exactly. Although according to the GAO most of the “fraud and abuse” comes from the hospital billing side, not the people who receive relatively sparse services from the government.

    ———————————————————

    I know for sure this is what happens.

  67. not the people who receive relatively sparse services from the government.
    ************************

    You would be wrong on that account. The people are working the system quite well.

  68. confloyd
    March 18th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    mj, what I meant to say is that it is easy for some….especially those with mental disorders….people who are really sick seem to find it difficult to get on disability…it doesn’t make sense. There are many young people I know personally that are on disability due to bipolar….yet I work with people who have a job and go to it everyday that are bipolar. How do you figure that out??

    First of all, I know people who have gotten disability with mental illnesses. It was certinaly no easier for them. Indeed it is the same exact process that it is for physical illness. Second, it could be that some bipolar people can work, some can’t. I know a brilliant researcher with bipolar. Sometimes she works, and when she can’t her diability kicks back in. She wants to work though. Third, that’s all very anecdotal. There are always these cases but on the whole people who receive disability need it. Finally you are allowed to make some money on disability. You can work some and still receive disability.

  69. #
    gonzotx
    March 18th, 2010 at 12:03 am

    not the people who receive relatively sparse services from the government.
    ************************

    You would be wrong on that account. The people are working the system quite well.

    Which people? All of them? Half? A tenth? How many people do you think are “working the system” and do you have any idea how small disability payments are?

    I’m sorry but again it’s hard to believe you supported a liberal, you seem like a conservative Republican.

  70. mj,

    Junk insurance could still be regulated on the federal level or the state level or both.

    The fewer companies in the marketplace, the more collusion — ie just three or four companies allowed to sell in the state. The more companies, ie every company in the nation, the more chance that at least one of them will decide to deal honestly.

  71. mj

    Come work with me for a few months, I’ll show you LOTS of people that not only don’t deserve disability, but give pretty good instruction on how to work the system. It will be a real eye opener for you.

  72. Gonzotex,
    When you work in healthcare, you really see the bad side of it, both the patients and the other end billing and such. Its really hard to be objective. When I had the bar, I had bartenders who would come in and work for tips only, they were on disability for bipolar. Most were on meth or anything they could get. I do have a problem giving diability to drug addicts, although if they are really bad, theres not much hope that they will ever get clean enough to hold a job.

    Its a hard call, who should be on and who shouldn’t, but we need safety nets, I will always believe that.

  73. “It should be a crime to work under the table if you are on disability.”

    It is a crime. Some people abuse the system. It happens. You don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

  74. Considering all the federal money spent on things that are positively harmful (eg wars, Agent Orange, pork dams, roads to nowhere) — I doubt if a little waste in the welfare net is worth worrying about.

  75. gonzo, I agree that drug addicts often use their checks for drugs and are basically in a vicious cycle of getting the check, buying cocaine or whatever, geting high, going to the hospital, then starting the cycle all over. I think these people should not be left to manage their own funds. However, I also think drug addicts are sick people.

  76. #
    turndownobama
    March 18th, 2010 at 12:12 am

    Considering all the federal money spent on things that are positively harmful (eg wars, Agent Orange, pork dams, roads to nowhere) — I doubt if a little waste in the welfare net is worth worrying about.

    Yes, agreed.

  77. mj

    Again, you like to throw out there statements and accusations about people you have no idea of.

    I not only work in the mental health field, but I grew up with a bipolar father and brother. I know a little bit more about it I would care to bet then you, both professionally and personally, and really, this is the last comment I have for you. I find you extremely arrogant.

  78. confloyd
    March 18th, 2010 at 12:00 am
    mj, what I meant to say is that it is easy for some….especially those with mental disorders….people who are really sick seem to find it difficult to get on disability…it doesn’t make sense. There are many young people I know personally that are on disability due to bipolar….yet I work with people who have a job and go to it everyday that are bipolar. How do you figure that out??

    I think its the doctors that are making these decisions and if you know the right one, you get on…its as simple as that.

    I don’t think all the people that are on disability should be on it, some work under the table. It should be a crime to work under the table if you are on disability. Since my husband worked many years his disability is on the large side, some of those youngsters Gonzo is talking about get $675. a month. No where near enough to live on, but yet they want to get on it. Go figure?
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    Confloyd, I work in mental health and it is very, very difficult for some mentally ill people to get on SSI or SSDI. Often times, they have to go through an appeal process, which can take months. In addition, the documentation needs to be complete, with a history of multiple hospitalizations and treatments. As far as bipolar patients, most of the ones that I know, do work and function quite well as long as they stay on meds. There are varying degrees of mental illness and many gray areas. Many people have a milder form of bipolar disorder and can work, but others have a severe variation of illness with a co-morbidity of substance abuse and/or schizophrenic symptoms. Many of these people are severely impaired. Ironically, some of the most ill people do want to work, but their tolerance to stress is very limited, which limits their ability to work and function appropriately in a work environment. They are allowed to work a limited amount, up to a certain limit, but after that, the income is subtracted from their disability checks. If people can perform odd jobs and earn some money under the table, I don’t have a big problem with that, because their checks really aren’t enough to live on. If they live in board and care homes, most of their checks go for room and board. There is very little disposable income and many disabled people live with families or in group homes. It is not a nice life.

  79. mj, thanks. Nice to hear some good sense frankly spoken.

    Look, there’s no telling where your comment begins and where the post you’re replying to ends. Couldn’t you put in a divider line or something?

  80. mj, I guess we should all remember this “Except for the Grace of God there goes I”. I don’t have bipolar or MS, so I don’t know what it feels like. I just know what it feels like to push and pull heavy patients with 5 bulging discs in my back, a 20% disability in my right shoulder and a torn meniscus in my right knee and still go to work, never even thinking maybe I should try and get on disability and all of these injuries are work related.

  81. confloyd
    March 18th, 2010 at 12:08 am
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    They will never get clean as long as there is a hand out such as disability. The motivation is just not there. It is a double edged sword and is not the answer.

  82. confloyd,

    Maybe you SHOULD try to get on disability yourself! Why not try at least?

    And Gonzo too. Apply as ‘depressed’ or something.

    Sounds like you could both use some help.

  83. turndown, I think we will make it, but don’t mess with my social security or medicare. I can’t stand staying home…people would expect me to cook…LOL!!!

  84. turndownobama
    March 18th, 2010 at 12:18 am

    Hey turndown, I think Gore is trying to call you right now, he needs some new scientific data on climate gate. The last bunch came up stupid…

  85. #
    confloyd
    March 18th, 2010 at 12:16 am

    mj, I guess we should all remember this “Except for the Grace of God there goes I”. I don’t have bipolar or MS, so I don’t know what it feels like. I just know what it feels like to push and pull heavy patients with 5 bulging discs in my back, a 20% disability in my right shoulder and a torn meniscus in my right knee and still go to work, never even thinking maybe I should try and get on disability and all of these injuries are work related.

    Well, maybe you are more resilient, although with those kind of injuries you’d have nothing to be ashamed of. Or, maybe you know the disability is not enough to cover your lifestyle. I think Blue Dem has it right. We’ve been screwed but it isn’t by other poorer, sicker or even lazier Americans.

  86. I mean, when average Americans focus on those things they miss the bigger picture. This country’s problem is not that the safety net is too large.

  87. mj
    March 18th, 2010 at 12:29 am
    I mean, when average Americans focus on those things they miss the bigger picture. This country’s problem is not that the safety net is too large.

    ———————————————————————————–

    This is true. If our safety net was too large, we would not be having this discussion about health care and health insurance reform.

  88. A couple of friends got on SSI disability in the last few years — diabetes, heart failure, etc — so I found out something about how it works.

    The bottom line is there are lawyers who work ON CONTINGENCY to help you get approved if you’re not approved on the first try.

    They would know more about the details in your own areas — apparently there’s much variation from one portion of a state to another. They could tell you (free consulation) whether it’s worth trying.

    Please do check it out. Nothing to lose.

  89. Turndown, people do go to lawyers specifically for this purpose. CA seems pretty tough for mental illness. Physical illnesses seem easier to prove the disability. People are also re-evaluated every few years to see if the person is still disabled and receiving treatment.

  90. I just have to make it less than 3 years, then I should get my early social security, that is if the republicans haven’t figured out how to screw me out of it by then. I am really only working PRN right now, sometimes I work alot and sometimes I don’t. It works out better with my husband.

    I wouldn’t deny anyone disability if they truly need it.

    MJ, I wonder how many people who are financially well off that get a social security check? This is something we could ponder. Do you think the people who don’t need social security because they are wealthy get one and those who are sick/ mentally/physically have trouble getting one and when they do its not enough to live?

  91. MJ, I wonder how many people who are financially well off that get a social security check? This is something we could ponder. Do you think the people who don’t need social security because they are wealthy get one and those who are sick/ mentally/physically have trouble getting one and when they do its not enough to live?

    Everyone who pays into social security gets a check as it should be otherwise the entire program would be welfare and it would lose it’s popular support.

    I don’t know what happens to someone on SSI when they hit 65. I assume they get something, but maybe whatever they were getting previously.

    CONFLOYD, I MUST suggest you do NOT take early social security. You will get less than you are entitled to. Indeed, for each year after the regular (not early) year of retirement you do not retire, you earn an SS bonus for the four years following what would be you regular retirement time(this assumes your salary doesn’t go down too much. Obviously, SS is calculated, in part, by your last years of work salary.) But collecting early will mean you lose SS you are entitled to if you were to at least hold off from collecting. have you discussed this with an elder law attorney? You don’t want to lose what you have coming to you.

  92. Obama getting things mixed up again…he thinks Hawaii had an earthquake recently….is this man REALLY running the country??? If Brett Baer could get the best of Obama, how do we think Putin could do against Obama??
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    Thanks to that damned earthquake his birth certificate has now been lost to prosperity. So we will just have to take his word for it. And he is, as we all know, an unimpeachable witness, a guardian of light, an a beacon of hope to the world. And on top of all that he is a pathological liar.

  93. wbb
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    HONOLULU (AP) – Birthers beware: Hawaii may start ignoring your repeated requests for proof that President Barack Obama was born here.

    As the state continues to receive e-mails seeking Obama’s birth certificate, the state House Judiciary Committee heard a bill Tuesday permitting government officials to ignore people who won’t give up.

    “Sometimes we may be dealing with a cohort of people who believe lack of evidence is evidence of a conspiracy,” said Lorrin Kim, chief of the Hawaii Department of Health’s Office of Planning, Policy and Program Development.

    So-called “birthers” claim Obama is ineligible to be president because, they argue, he was actually born outside the United States, and therefore doesn’t meet a constitutional requirement for being president.

    Hawaii Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued statements last year and in October 2008 saying that she’s seen vital records that prove Obama is a natural-born American citizen.

    But the state still gets between 10 and 20 e-mails seeking verification of Obama’s birth each week, most of them from outside Hawaii, Kim said Tuesday.

    A few of these requesters continue to pepper the Health Department with the same letters seeking the same information, even after they’re told state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest. Responding wastes time and money, Kim said.

    Both Fukino and the state registrar of vital statistics have verified that the Health Department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

    The issue coincides with Sunshine Week, when news organizations promote open government and freedom of information.

    “Do we really want to be known internationally as the Legislature that blocked any inquiries into where President Obama was born?” asked Rep. Cynthia Thielen, R-Kaneohe-Kailua. “When people want to get more information, the way to fuel that fire is to say, ‘We’re now going to draw down a veil of secrecy.'”

    Nobody at the hearing questioned the fact that the president was born in Hawaii.

    Attorney Peter Fritz asked why the state would pass a law punishing repetitive requests for open records. Instead, the state could simply say it would only answer each person’s question once.

    If the measure passed, the state Office of Information Practices could declare an individual

    a “vexatious requester” and restrict rights to government records for two years.

    The committee will schedule a vote on the measure, said Chairman Jon Riki Karamatsu, D-Waipahu-Waikele.

    The measure is SB2937.

  94. turndownobama
    March 18th, 2010 at 1:12 am
    As of c. 2003 when my friends applied, Soc Sec Disability gave you your full retirement amount starting immediately, because of your disability.

    There’s also a welfare program, SSI, for disabled people of all ages, whether they have worked or not. (C. $700/mo)

    http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS301US305&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Social+Security+vs+SSI

    Please go ahead and look into these.
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    SSI=Social Security Income This for disabled people who have not worked. Averages about 700 dollars/month.

    SSDI=Social Security Disability This for people who have a history of working and is based upon how much the person has contributed to the system. It is higher than SSI.

  95. An interesting Libertarian take:

    http://seawasp.livejournal.com/181619.html
    The best way of minimizing health costs is to treat conditions as soon as possible and prevent conditions whenever this is practical. This requires regular checkups and the ability of any citizen to get care for any condition as soon as it is noticed.

    This is, by its nature, not a profitable business. Overall such care will cost more for any individual group providing it than can be recovered by ordinary means (free riders, the incapable, the broke, etc.)
    ….
    Having lots and lots of people who are afraid to go to a doctor because they can’t afford it means they don’t go until they HAVE to… and by then it’ll likely cost ten times as much. They’ll be out of work for weeks instead of a day or two, which impacts the employer and his customers. If they can’t pay, that’s ten times the cost charged to society (because we won’t let people die). You can’t avoid these costs unless you either (A) make damn sure everyone’s cared for, or (B) are willing to let anyone who can’t afford it die or suffer.

  96. According to CNN Political Ticker,
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    I am not sure I trust their reporting. They have a bad habit of putting their thumb on the scale when they are weighing an issue involving Obama vs. anyone who opposes him. I hope that proves to be the case here.

  97. I have a confession to make. I cannot stomach listening to Obama. His promises mean nothing. His observations are inaccurate. His facts are often wrong. Joe Wilson summed it up well in two word: “You lie!” And lie he does, whenever his lips are moving. Therefore, I am glad to hear that Baird did a credible job of questioning him, and pinning the tail on the donkey. This is the first time anyone has done that and you can see the defensive body language of Obama during the short clip. But as I say, I have no time for a liar therefore I cannot watch the longer version. It sounds like he got grilled in the second interview and did not like it. When your are dealing with a liar, you have to pin him down and not allow him to roll over you or ignore your questions. Sounds like Baird came through on both counts.

  98. Nobody at the hearing questioned the fact that the president was born in Hawaii
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    Unless they have direct personal knowledge or have seen the birth certificate themselves this statement has zero probative value.

  99. wbboei
    March 18th, 2010 at 1:37 am
    ***************

    I am with you. I really can not stand to hear him, or really look @ him.

  100. I guess wanting the proof that the president is ACTUALLY a US citizen is not a “tangible” interest. Jesus, Hitler redux…
    ************************

    A few of these requesters continue to pepper the Health Department with the same letters seeking the same information, even after they’re told state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest. Responding wastes time and money, Kim said.

  101. A few of these requesters continue to pepper the Health Department with the same letters seeking the same information, even after they’re told state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest. Responding wastes time and money, Kim said.

    ==================

    So he should charge high for the copies and finance the state that way. If he really had anything worth copying.

  102. IF OBAMACARE PASSES, WHAT WILL HAPPEN BY ELECTION DAY

    By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

    Published on DickMorris.com on March 17, 2010

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    If the House Democratic majority passes Obama’s health care proposals, one of two things will happen by Election Day, 2010 – and neither one will be healthy for the Democrats seeking re-election.

    Either the Medicare cuts will take effect or they will be postponed by a terrified Congress.

    If they take effect, physicians’ fees will be slashed 21 percent and hospital reimbursements for Medicare patients will be cut by $1.3 billion. Tens of thousands of doctors and thousands of health care institutions – hospitals, hospices, outpatient clinics and such – will refuse to treat Medicare patients.

    Entire cities will be without one doctor in important specialties who will take care of the elderly on Medicare. Particularly in fields like G.I. care or arthritic and joint pain, doctors will simply refuse to accept the low reimbursement rates they are being offered and hospitals will refuse all but emergency care to Medicare patients. In effect, the elderly will experience a doctors’ strike against Medicare patients.

    Congress, faced with this massive revolt coming right on the verge of the election, may back down and postpone the cuts. Originally, doctor reimbursement rates were scheduled to drop on March 1 of this year, but Congress postponed it until the fall. Now the Democrats in Congress will face not only cuts in doctors’ fees but in all forms of Medicare reimbursement – the so-called “market basket” of cuts programmed into Obamacare.

    Congress, being Congress, will probably seek to postpone the cuts until after Election Day. But in doing so, they would expose the deficit reduction and cost containment features of Obama’s bill for the fraud that they are. The news media headlines would blare that Congress just voted to add tens or hundreds of billions to the deficit and the big spending, high borrowing image of Congress will worsen. All pretense that Obamacare is not a reckless spending bill will be stripped away and we will be face to face with the reality that it will add hugely to the deficit.

    All this will come at precisely the time that House and Senate Democrats are scrambling to rebut the attacks of their Republican challengers over these very issues. If Congress votes to postpone the Medicare cuts, as a former Secretary of HHS predicted to me, they will have to answer for their fiscal irresponsibility right before the election.

    Either poison – the cuts or the deficit – will be enough to eradicate an entire generation of House and Senate Democrats.

    And these cuts will take place against a backdrop of continuing increases in health insurance premiums, no expansion of coverage (it doesn’t kick in until 2013), and no tangible benefit from the Obama bill.

    This is the prospect the House and Senate Democrats who vote for Obamacare will face in the fall of 2010. This is the record they will have to defend.

    Or, they could save their political lives and vote no!

    Help them to make the decision!

    GO HERE NOW to donate to run ads and churn out phone calls to keep the no votes in place and convert the yes votes!

    Go to DickMorris.com to read all of Dick’s columns!

  103. I am with you. I really can not stand to hear him, or really look @ him.
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    Gonzo–he is like Eddie Haskell on the old Leave It To Beaver show. Only in his case it is Eddie Haskell on steroids. The greatest split personality since Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

  104. Either poison – the cuts or the deficit – will be enough to eradicate an entire generation of House and Senate Dimocrats
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    The greatest medical breakthrough since penicillin.

  105. Fan mail from Bagdad Jim in response to the letter at the link Marie gave us. Not much hope with him cause he is somewhere to the left of Hugo Chavez. But still it is nice to know he will keep my comments in mind and welcomes my input. And in the end you can count of Jim to do whatever the hell he pleases. Note the civics lesson. Well, he is not the first former psychiatrist to go stark raving mad. Ed Shultz’s wife was once psychiatric nurse–and look what happened to him.
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    Thank you for your recent communication. I appreciate you contacting me to let me know your views. Please be assured that I will keep your comments in mind as the 111th Congress progresses.

    You may wish to access my website at http://www.house.gov/mcdermott. This site includes updated information about my activities in the Congress, and also offers useful information about constituent services, legislative issues, and agencies of the federal government. If you are interested in following a particular piece of legislation through the legislative process, the website hosted by the Library of Congress at http://thomas.loc.gov is extremely helpful. It provides a wealth of information about legislation under consideration in the current Congress as well as bills introduced in earlier sessions. The site is called Thomas to honor President Thomas Jefferson and his belief in public access to the workings of government.

    Again, thank you for contacting me. I welcome your input, and look forward to hearing from you in the future.

    Sincerely,
    Jim McDermott
    Member of Congress

  106. (Obama’s fall from grace) “could also put distance between Obama and Democratic lawmakers up for re-election in November who see no benefit in having an increasingly unpopular president stump for them.”

    Ya think???? The real story is the strongly favor vs strongly against. I assume it is in free fall. The question people should be asking themselves at a time like this is: do we want a president who ignores the will of the American People and passes legislation which rewards his insurance contributors and dooms the economic future of the American People and limits their access to critical medical care which could well save their lives?
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    More Americans Disapprove of Obama’s Performance Than Approve, Poll Finds

    FOXNews.com

    For the first time since President Obama took office, more Americans are unhappy with the job he’s doing than are happy with it, according to the latest Gallup poll.

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    For the first time since President Obama took office, more Americans are unhappy with the job he’s doing than are happy with it, according to the latest Gallup poll.

    In the poll, 47 percent of Americans disapprove of Obama’s job performance compared to 46 percent who approve.

    Obama’s job approval rating fell to 46 percent last week, an all-time low for the president.

    The deteriorating approval rating comes as the president struggles to push his increasingly unpopular health care plan across the finish line with a controversial maneuver that would avoid a GOP filibuster by allowing Congress to pass and adjust the Senate’s bill with a simple majority.

    The plunging rating threatens to weaken the president’s influence beyond the health care debate to pass a largely ambitious agenda that includes immigration overhaul, climate change legislation and education reform.

    It could also put distance between Obama and Democratic lawmakers up for re-election in November who see no benefit in having an increasingly unpopular president stump for them.

    Obama’s campaigning efforts have already failed to help notch victories in gubernatorial races in Virginia and New Jersey and the Senate contest in Massachusetts in replace Ted Kennedy.

    The Gallup poll is based on a three-day rolling average of at least 1,000 adults with a margin of error of 2 points.

  107. It is a Republican argument to equate this Rezko deal with insurance companies with what Hillary tried to pass. The two proposals are as different as night and day. I find it surprising that anyone would argue that the two are similar much less identical. Hillary fought the insurance companies whereas Obama sleeps with them/

  108. The two sides of the coin:

    1) 15 March 2010 UK Telegraph: Barack Obama has said he will not campaign for any Democratic congressman who fails to support health care reform.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7450237/Barack-Obama-threatens-to-withdraw-support-from-wavering-Democrats.html
    2) 17 Mar 2010 Diane Sawyer on ABC’s evening news: Barack Obama will help campaign for any congressman hurt by voting yes on health care.
    [no link]

  109. Top Post right now at GatewayPundit:
    Finally, after racking up $2 Trillion in national debt in record time, after tripling the national deficit, after broken promise after broken promise, after skyrocketing unemployment, after bowing to dictators and attacking allies, Barack Obama met a legitimate journalist who demanded answers and refused to accept his filibustering, deceit and double-speak.
    That journalist is Bret Baier.

    FOX News analysts Stephen Hayes, A.B. Stoddard and Juan Williams all agree… Bret Baier had Barack Obama stammering and on the defensive:

  110. Re: Mrs. Smith
    March 17th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
    Just wondering if Obama dropped a heap of money at the bookies when he visited Vegas a few weeks ago betting he’d get HC passed. Notice the strained look on his face.
    _________________________________________________________________________

    Similar thoughts entered my mind watching as much as I could stand of the Fraud. I thought to myself, he has had no/little sleep for he is squinting like I do when I have little sleep and there are bright lights.
    I know that Brett Baier must be a really nice guy, and we all know how nice guys finish, and that he is the FIRST to ask somewhat tough questions, but he was soft on the Fraud ‘because you can only push the POTUS just so far’ according to O’Reilly. WHY????????????? The POTUS has our coming generations’ future in the palm of his hands and he SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS ACTIONS, AND HIS LIES, AND HIS DISDAIN FOR AMERICA/AMERICA. Namby pamby is what Brett was, though I give him credit for being the first…..but I must remind myself that he was chosen by the Fraud for a reason, maybe because he would be namby pamby????

  111. I have personally thought of this site as a somewhat ‘safe haven’ for Hillary supporters who fought long and hard for ‘our girl’ during the primary of 2008. But, increasingly it feels like regular long-time posters here are subjected to very similar tactics that we endured during the transformational death and destruction of the Hillary Democratic party (i.e. Alinksy tactics of isolate, make it personal, demonize, destroy, or just plain run people off)by the Kool-Aide drinkers. I do know that being a registered Independent voter sets me apart somewhat from those still registered Dems, but our love of country and Clintons unites us. As an Independent voter, I do not demonize either the Republican or Democratic [I admit I freely demonize the Dimocrat Party of Pelousi/Reid/Dean/Obama/Brazile/Edwards/Richardson/Others
    for they are pure and simple evil and determined to destroy our Republic]. Both the Republican and Democratic parties SHARE the accountability for bringing our country down to this point. It is NOT about party anymore, either of them. It is about PEOPLE who love our country and the children who will have to grow up in it. Stop with the demonizing of the PARTIES, it is counter productive.
    Ignore the bots. That was very effective during the primary.
    My prayer will be: God continue to Bless America; and hold those accountable that do not love America.

  112. I wonder if Obama is really making more boo-boos than usual (remember “all 57 states”?) or if the media is just reporting more of them.

    And if so, why?

  113. http://www.novemberiscoming.com/

    Your vote isn’t the only one that counts. November is coming and you can’t hide from the voters. Corrupt backroom deals are driving a government takeover of our health care, and I don’t like it. If you vote YES on the health care bill, I will vote NO on you in the next election.

  114. Let us not get carried away by anecdotal evidence in our day to day life and I say it not to disparage how you feel but instead to see the bigger picture which may indirectly give you some peace of mind. Waste, fraud, abuse are there to some extent in any govt program and especially in a democracy. It cannot be completely eliminated. When those things completely take over, we will become another Greece but we are nowhere near there despite Obama and his policies. There is enough to complain about his policies without getting into anecdotal evidence and losing your peace of mind over it.
    (About democracy and inefficiency, I remember a discussion with the Indian Ambassador aired on TV one time, someone asked him about why India could not control population whereas China was doing it so well (!). He pointed out India was a democracy.)

  115. shorttermer,

    Both the Republican and Democratic parties SHARE the accountability for bringing our country down to this point. It is NOT about party anymore, either of them. It is about PEOPLE who love our country and the children who will have to grow up in it. Stop with the demonizing of the PARTIES, it is counter productive.

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    You also said you regularly demonize the dim party of Obama/Reid/Pelosi, etc. so what your really saying is DON’T demonize the republican party.
    Let me see if I get this right….At the beginning of your comment you said its not about party anymore…you now an independent….So its OK to demonize the dims, just not the republicans and then you go on and talk about bots…so it seems like what your really saying here is those that demonize the republicans now are bots and couldn’t possibly be anything but Obama supporters..RIGHT? Well let me say this…I did not get amnesia since the take over of the dim party and the complete screw up of GWB…So I think demonizing both parties as the inept/corrupt/disgusting groups of folks they really are is completely right on target…We can’t trade one bunch of crooks for the original bunch of crooks and expect to get anything different than we are getting right now….and that is the screwing of the American middle class…WAKE UP AMERICA and take it back from the crook…..do not vote for any incumbents of any party.

  116. There is NO one on this blog that can’t stand to hear/look/see Obama or anything written about him than I. I was/and still am an avid Hillary supporter. Just because I just happen to notice the corruption of the republicans and equate it right up there with the corrupt Obama party is NO reason to be calling me a bot or anything close to that.

    If there are people on this blog who actually believe in some sort of safety net for the middle class that is also no reason to be calling them a vile bot, afterall, if we are really Hillary supporters, she does believe in Social security, medicare/medicaid, insurance for all, better working conditions for employees, more and better jobs, balanced budget and so on. So if some still have those inclinations, THEY ARE NOT BOTS!

  117. http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1240545

    Even one of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s floor whips, U.S. Rep. Stephen Lynch, says a proposed parliamentary move to pass health-care reform would be “disingenuous” and harm the credibility of Congress.

    In a sign of how tough it’s been for Pelosi to round up votes for the massive bill, Lynch – a South Boston Democrat who supported a House reform package last year – said he’ll probably vote against a key Senate version of the legislation, unless unexpected major changes are made soon.

    Lynch, who serves as one of Pelosi’s key vote counters, said he also can’t support a proposed “deem and pass” procedure that would allow Democrats to vote to strip out controversial portions of the Senate bill and then “deem” that the entire package has passed without a second, direct vote.

    “It’s disingenuous,” said Lynch, who considers unfair a Senate provision to tack a surcharge on higher-end health plans. “It would really call into question the credibility of the House.”

  118. I don’t think he conflated or confused Hawaii with Haiti. I think he inadvertently (or intentionally – see below) disclosed that
    there is a special deal for Hawaii using Katrina loophole. Earthquake? There are always minor tremeors in Hawaii. There was even a small 3-foot tsunami there a couple of weeks ago
    (and on live TV) when there was an earthquake in Chile. You can always find a justification for anything. I mean, we went to war with a false justification. What’s a little earthquake?

    This was his gift to his former homestate or – this was the intentional part – it may even be a signal for a Rizko deal to get a special state
    legislation to shut off birther inquiries. That legislation is now moving through the committees there.

  119. Are you aware – THERE IS NO BILL – really, there is no bill yet. The Congressional Budget Office has not received it’s numbers either. (We’ll update with the CBO numbers when they are released – rumors are the numbers stink.)
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    I have on my phone a message that the CBO came out that this monstrous Fraudcare will NOT increase the deficit…I can’t find a link yet. We are sunk…

  120. My comment about Haiti and Hawaii was in jest. You’re right, he may have inserted something for Hawaii and letting people know this way.

  121. Ace
    **********

    CBO Health Care Numbers Are In And Democrats Are Pleased
    —DrewM.
    Well, when you get something that you made to order, you should be happy about what you get.

    The full numbers aren’t out yet but Democrat leaders in the House are talking them up, no doubt to put pressure on the ‘moderate’ types.

    House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) just released the first set of Congressional Budget Office numbers to reporters this morning.
    The bill would cost $940 billion, and reduce the deficit by $130 billion over the first 10 years and $1.2 trillion in the second 10 years. The deficit numbers Democrats have been most worried about, and will be key to convincing moderates to coming on board with the bill.

  122. admin
    March 17th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    Thanks for your interpretation and explanation. I think we are on the same pg.

    It’s the old shovel riff. Help them shovel and deepen that big ole hole.
    ____________________________________

    gonzotxMarch 18th, 2010 at 12:13 am

    Like a supposedly overnight houseguest after a week.
    _____________________________

    ShortTermer
    March 18th, 2010 at 8:00 am

    Re: Mrs. Smith
    March 17th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    Just wondering if Obama dropped a heap of money at the bookies when he visited Vegas a few weeks ago betting he’d get HC passed. Notice the strained look on his face.
    __________________________

    Similar thoughts entered my mind watching as much as I could stand of the Fraud. I thought to myself, he has had no/little sleep for he is squinting like I do when I have little sleep and there are bright lights.
    _______________________

    I’m willing to bet BO’s hobby is gambling on Basketball games. LeBron is his hero. BO’s behavior is that of a stressed out gambler waiting for the encores of overtimes finally coming to an end. This is when he goes to his secret place to light up…
    _______________

    ShortTermer
    March 18th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    I have personally thought of this site as a somewhat ’safe haven’ for Hillary supporters who fought long and hard for ‘our girl’ during the primary of 2008. But, increasingly it feels like regular long-time posters here are subjected to very similar tactics that we endured during the transformational death and destruction of the Hillary Democratic party (i.e. Alinksy tactics of isolate, make it personal, demonize, destroy, or just plain run people off)by the Kool-Aide drinkers.
    ___________________________

    All reminiscent of the usual rude attacks perpetrated by posters @ Democratic Underground. (I posted there for 8 yrs) The tip off is always the comparisons of Hillary to X… either to her policies, BO or Bill.

    Imagine wondering why she is “out of town” so often and expecting an answer?

  123. I guess I don’t understand how the budget office can have a number, when the bill has not be finalized.

  124. Let me be clear. I have been a registered Independent voter for years and years, I do not tow party lines. And, thank you, Carol.

  125. The CBO is controlled by the Administration. They have their own people in there. You could quadruple the bill and they would still say it was deficit neutral. I have seen this done before. It is all about the assumptions. The question comes down to this: how many congressal dims are prepared to die for Il Duche? Here is a small part of what they will have to answer for:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8

  126. I just read an article lionked on RCP that claims when this passes, Pelosi has shattered the ceiling . Taking a line Hillary used and giving Pelosi the credit.

  127. ‘Deem and Pass’ watch: Brooks on the ledge, Rubin on the sidewalk.
    Posted by Moe Lane (Profile)
    Thursday, March 18th at 11:36AM EDT
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    With regard to this despairing statement by David Brooks:

    Deem and pass? Are you kidding me? Is this what the Revolutionary War was fought for? Is this what the boys on Normandy beach were trying to defend? Is this where we thought we would end up when Obama was speaking so beautifully in Iowa or promising to put away childish things?

    …I do not say that Jen Rubin is sharpening her knife.

    Maybe the rubes understand Obama fairly well, after all. They figured out quite some time ago that the entire campaign message — change, hope, post-partisanship, nonideological, fiscally sober — was a ruse. And they understand how immoderate both his methods and his aims are.

    I personally am not out on a ledge. (But then I never bought the whole Obama campaign whoop-de-do.) Should this pass, I have infinite faith that the American people will deliver a mortal electoral blow to those politicians who thought they could shred anything to get their way. And then bit by bit — or in one fell swoop — the elected replacements for the shredders will rip out ObamaCare. So there’s no reason to be morose. Elections are great corrective exercises, and one is just around the corner.

    That would imply that Jen would have been foolish enough to let the knife get dull in the first place. She’s not the sort; and neither am I. I still think that this bill will not pass – but at this point, we’ve got a fallback strategy in place, just in case. And should quote-unquote ‘moderate’ Democrats really do decide to commit electoral suicide for the sake of their liberal leadership, I guess that we can accommodate them.

    And relax about worrying about how we could possibly gut this next year. The Democrats are doing us the favor of setting the procedural bar very, very, very low…

    Moe Lane

  128. We always wait to look at the source materials, not the spin. It’s a good policy on our part.

    http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MjJiMjFkYjQyMTY4NmMyNDllYzZjNDAxNjVkOWE1ODQ=

    House Budget Committee Ranking Republican Paul Ryan responds to an NRO query about the news this morning: “The Congressional Budget Office has confirmed that there is currently no official cost estimate. Yet House Democrats are touting to the press — and spinning for partisan gain — numbers that have not been released and are impossible to confirm. Rep. James Clyburn stated he was ‘giddy’ about these unsubstantiated numbers. This is the latest outrageous exploitation by the Majority — in this case abusing the confidentiality of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office — to pass their massive health care overhaul at any cost.”

    This CBO reporting this morning really is remarkable to me — the news is simply what Steny Hoyer says it is.

  129. I just read an article lionked on RCP that claims when this passes, Pelosi has shattered the ceiling . Taking a line Hillary used and giving Pelosi the credit
    —————————
    Acutally, Lizzie Borden got there first.

  130. House Budget Committee Ranking Republican Paul Ryan responds to an NRO query about the news this morning: “The Congressional Budget Office has confirmed that there is currently no official cost estimate. Yet House Democrats are touting to the press — and spinning for partisan gain — numbers that have not been released and are impossible to confirm. Rep. James Clyburn stated he was ‘giddy’ about these unsubstantiated numbers. This is the latest outrageous exploitation by the Majority — in this case abusing the confidentiality of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office — to pass their massive health care overhaul at any cost.”

    This CBO reporting this morning really is remarkable to me — the news is simply what Steny Hoyer says it is.
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    A lie? Another lie?? Yet another lie??? From the Obama forces???? The people who took a que from Kruschev when he said to middle class Americans “we will bury you”? Surely not that charcoaled voiced knight in shining armor who was sent here by monied interests to expatiate our sins, show us the path of enlightenment, and loot the middle class, and bamboozle the ignoranti? I am shocked. Shocked.

    And then there is the most the ignorant ignoranti of them all David Brooks who sounds like buyers remorse. Even to a shill like him the process is sickening and the presumption that the constitution and the rules of the senate are malleable to the whims of those in power leaves us no protection against the forces of globalization which will kill all of us off sooner or later. In the meantime we become a nation of men, not laws. And what comes around goes around. If Brooks wants to worry about something, let him worry about that. Towit:
    ——————
    Brooks on the Ledge; Rubin on the Sidewalk

    “With regard to this despairing statement by David Brooks:

    Deem and pass? Are you kidding me? Is this what the Revolutionary War was fought for? Is this what the boys on Normandy beach were trying to defend? Is this where we thought we would end up when Obama was speaking so beautifully in Iowa or promising to put away childish things?

    …I do not say that Jen Rubin is sharpening her knife.

    Maybe the rubes understand Obama fairly well, after all. They figured out quite some time ago that the entire campaign message — change, hope, post-partisanship, nonideological, fiscally sober — was a ruse. And they understand how immoderate both his methods and his aims are.

    I personally am not out on a ledge. (But then I never bought the whole Obama campaign whoop-de-do.) Should this pass, I have infinite faith that the American people will deliver a mortal electoral blow to those politicians who thought they could shred anything to get their way. And then bit by bit — or in one fell swoop — the elected replacements for the shredders will rip out ObamaCare. So there’s no reason to be morose. Elections are great corrective exercises, and one is just around the corner.

    That would imply that Jen would have been foolish enough to let the knife get dull in the first place. She’s not the sort; and neither am I. I still think that this bill will not pass – but at this point, we’ve got a fallback strategy in place, just in case. And should quote-unquote ‘moderate’ Democrats really do decide to commit electoral suicide for the sake of their liberal leadership, I guess that we can accommodate them.

    And relax about worrying about how we could possibly gut this next year. THE DEMOCRATS ARE DOING THE REPUBLICANS A FAVOR BY SETTING THE PROCEDURAL BAR VERY, VERY, VERy LOW.” (Emphasis added).

    Moe Lane

  131. admin
    March 18th, 2010 at 11:47 am
    We always wait to look at the source materials, not the spin. It’s a good policy on our part.
    ************************
    I agree

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    wbboei
    March 18th, 2010 at 11:34 am
    The CBO is controlled by the Administration. They have their own people in there. You could quadruple the bill and they would still say it was deficit neutral. I have seen this done before. It is all about the assumptions. The question comes down to this: how many congressal dims are prepared to die for Il Duche? Here is a small part of what they will have to answer for:
    *******************

    I assumed so.

  132. Wbboei
    I am completely against the heath care bill, but don’t you think the video above is pretty out there? It’s incomprehensible. It can’t be THAT insane, can it?

  133. Breaking: CBO releases the actual report; Update: Almost all $940 billion incurred in just six years

    http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/18/breaking-cbo-releases-the-actual-report/

    Update snip:

    Update (AP): Here’s the key table from CBO’s letter to Pelosi. Want to see what a shabby fraud these cost estimates are? Check out the line for “Gross Cost of Coverage Provisions:

    click link above for table…

    This is why they’re delaying the start of the program, of course. If it kicked in right away, the decade-long estimate would obviously be well into the trillions. So they simply stalled it for four years, incurring just $17 billion in costs — or 1.8 percent of the total 10-year estimate — through 2013 so that wavering Democrats could go back to their districts and tell baldfaced lies to their constituents about the pricetag. A perfect ending to this travesty.

  134. A few follow-up thoughts:

    1. First, Obama supporters like the reprehensible Ezra Klein have drawn misleading comparisons between Obamacare, and Civil Rights legislation. The bill itself is the negation of civil right and is opposed by millions of Americans. If the historically challenged and bitter partisan Kline were intellectually honest he would realize that the more apt comparison is prohibition–which was equally detested by the American People and observed more in the breach than in the observance.

    2. Second, the suggestion that if this legislation passes it will prove that Pelosi has broken the glass ceiling. It is always convenient for an unscupulous politician to have staffers who will write that kind of tripe in the hope that some part of the American ignoranti will buy into it, but the last time she tried to do that with a book about her Horatio Alger story no one came to pay window, and it was remaindered to the used book market, and from there to a funeral pire. But as any good attorney like jbstonesfan will tell you is when your opponent uses them especially in his opening statement and you rise to respond, you can turn them against your adversary–and so it is here. Towit:

    If this bill passes through the skullduggery of Pelosi, then it won’t be a glass ceiling, but a mirror that will be shattered. And when you shatter a mirror, what you can expect is 7 years of bad luck.

  135. I am completely against the heath care bill, but don’t you think the video above is pretty out there? It’s incomprehensible. It can’t be THAT insane, can it?
    —————————————-
    All I can tell you is they are citing specific provisions. That is more than Obamafraud does. He has not read he bill.

  136. Update (AP): Here’s the key table from CBO’s letter to Pelosi. Want to see what a shabby fraud these cost estimates are? Check out the line for “Gross Cost of Coverage Provisions:
    —————————-
    AP is the mouthpiece for Obama. It has been that way ever since the primary. Dig up dirt on opponents and shower pixie dust on him. Their assessment of anything is perverse and untrustworthy.

  137. 1. First, Obama supporters like the reprehensible Ezra Klein have drawn misleading comparisons between Obamacare, and Civil Rights legislation. The bill itself is the negation of civil right and is opposed by millions of Americans. If the historically challenged and bitter partisan Kline were intellectually honest he would realize that the more apt comparison is prohibition–which was equally detested by the American People and observed more in the breach than in the observance
    ****************
    Well said

  138. On a side note…
    ********************

    EDITORIAL: Obama surrenders gulf oil to Moscow

    By THE WASHINGTON TIMES

    The Obama administration is poised to ban offshore oil drilling on the outer continental shelf until 2012 or beyond. Meanwhile, Russia is making a bold strategic leap to begin drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico. While the United States attempts to shift gears to alternative fuels to battle the purported evils of carbon emissions, Russia will erect oil derricks off the Cuban coast.

    Offshore oil production makes economic sense. It creates jobs and helps fulfill America’s vast energy needs. It contributes to the gross domestic product and does not increase the trade deficit. Higher oil supply helps keep a lid on rising prices, and greater American production gives the United States more influence over the global market.

    Drilling is also wildly popular with the public. A Pew Research Center poll from February showed 63 percent support for offshore drilling for oil and natural gas. Americans understand the fundamental points: The oil is there, and we need it. If we don’t drill it out, we have to buy it from other countries. Last year, the U.S. government even helped Brazil underwrite offshore drilling in the Tupi oil field near Rio de Janeiro. The current price of oil makes drilling economically feasible, so why not let the private sector go ahead and get our oil?

    The Obama administration, however, views energy policy through green eyeshades. Every aspect of its approach to energy is subordinated to radical environmental concerns. This unprecedented lack of balance is placing offshore oil resources off-limits. The O Force would prefer the country shift its energy production to alternative sources, such as nuclear, solar and wind power. In theory, there’s nothing wrong with that, in the long run, assuming technology can catch up to demand. But we have not yet reached the green utopia, we won’t get there anytime soon, and America needs more oil now.

    Russia more sensibly views energy primarily as a strategic resource. Energy is critical to Russia’s economy, as fuel and as a source of profit through export. Russia also has used energy as a coercive diplomatic tool, shutting off natural gas piped to Eastern Europe in the middle of winter to make a point about how dependent the countries are that do business with the Russians.

    Now Russia is using oil exploration to establish a new presence in the Western Hemisphere. It recently concluded four contracts securing oil-exploration rights in Cuba’s economic zone in the Gulf of Mexico. A Russian-Cuban joint partnership will exploit oil found in the deep waters of the Gulf.

    Cuba has rights to the area in which drilling will be conducted under an agreement the Carter administration recognized. From Russia’s perspective, this is another way to gain leverage inside what traditionally has been America’s sphere of influence. It may not be as dramatic as the Soviet Union attempting to use Cuba as a missile platform, but in the energy wars, the message is the same. Russia is projecting power into the Western Hemisphere while the United States retreats. The world will not tolerate a superpower that acts like a sidekick much longer.

  139. Shadowfax, the protesters in Indonesia will be disappointed. The postponed vacation once again shows, they don’t have the votes.

  140. okay, I watched a little more of that interview. The man does not answer the questions. He evades, pontificates and obfuscates. The questions were good, his evasions were obvious and it is patently clear that he has not read the bill. He stands up there before the American People and wings it.

  141. EDITORIAL: Obama surrenders gulf oil to Moscow

    By THE WASHINGTON TIMES

    The Obama administration is poised to ban offshore oil drilling on the outer continental shelf until 2012 or beyond. Meanwhile, Russia is making a bold strategic leap to begin drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico. While the United States attempts to shift gears to alternative fuels to battle the purported evils of carbon emissions, Russia will erect oil derricks off the Cuban coast.
    —————–
    Obama hates this country. He will do what he can to damage it. This is evident in all aspects of his agenda. Even that faux conservative Brooks is starting to wake up.

  142. Admin, exactly what I was going to say. The protesters have to start all over again and they won’t be happy. 🙂

  143. I believe he was put there for one specific reason. To manage the decline of the United States, and to give the special interests an opportunity to loot the middle class on the way down. Since he has no values of his own, is an empty shell who craves only money and adulation, he is a cheap date. Rezko was the first to figure this out and other unscrupulous business interests like GE have simply followed the trail he blazed where Obama is concerned. If anyone believes this is business as usual then they are sadly mistaken.

  144. admin

    Shadowfax, the protesters in Indonesia will be disappointed. The postponed vacation once again shows, they don’t have the votes.

    ——
    Yup, I agree. Postponing the trip for three months makes me think this deeming and then Senate taking care of the House is going to split the Dem party so badly that November will leave Baracko the lamest duck in the pond. A lame duck narcissist isn’t a pretty site for the rest of his first, and last term. The ‘king’ is dead, long live the Queen.

  145. On The Road Again:Our beautiful Lady in Blue is now safe and sound in Moscow and far away from the Capital snake pit where everyday should be highway for these misbeggoten horney toads that are called
    congress.

    ——————————————————

    SECRETARY OF STATE CLINTON

    A.M. LOCAL Secretary Clinton arrives in Moscow, Russia (EDT + 7 hours).

    4:00 p.m. LOCAL Secretary Clinton holds a Bilateral Meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, in Moscow, Russia.
    (MEDIA TO BE DETERMINED)

    7:30 p.m. LOCAL Secretary Clinton attends a Dinner for the Representatives of the Quartet, in Moscow, Russia.
    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

  146. ABM90, we want Hillary as far away as possible from the mess of the Mess-iah. Maybe Hillary should take a trip to Siberia and explore the wonderful scenery there. We hear the Gobi desert is nice this time of year. The polar ice caps might be worth visiting too. Remote Micronesia or Melanesia should be considered too. Anywhere but the USA and D.C. is where Hillary should be this coming weekend and week.

  147. admin
    March 18th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    we want Hillary as far away as possible from the mess
    _______________

    Well, yeah- that is if she can stop smilin long enough asking BC to join her and enjoy the spectacular scenery Russia has to offer. Spontaneity is always good for the soul.

  148. We will have to watch this Sunday and it will be proclaimed the most historic piece of legislation since SS by MSM….my weekend is ruined already.

  149. admin said:
    we want Hillary as far away as possible from the mess of the Mess-iah. Maybe Hillary should take a trip to Siberia and explore the wonderful scenery there. We hear the Gobi desert is nice this time of year. The polar ice caps might be worth visiting too. Remote Micronesia or Melanesia should be considered too. Anywhere but the USA and D.C. is where Hillary should be this coming weekend and week.

    =====================

    That fits with what you said about the medium is their message.

    I hope she takes a picture of Alaska from Russia. 😉

  150. Cowards!!

    I think the Slaughter rule passed:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/87683-dems-defeat-gop-effort-to-force-separate-vote-on-senate-health-bill

    Democrats shot down a Republican effort to force an up-or-down vote on the Senate healthcare bill on Thursday afternoon.
    In a 222-203 vote, Democrats beat back a GOP resolution offered by Democrat-turned-Republican Rep. Parker Griffith (Ala.) that would have forced lawmakers to vote on the Senate healthcare bill separately from the series of fixes they hope to make to that legislation.

    All Republican lawmakers who voted opposed the measure, which had the effect of ending the GOP’s effort to force a vote. They were joined by 28 Democrats, who broke with party members on the vote.

    222 Democrats supported the measure, though, meaning enough to proceed. Three members of both parties did not vote.

  151. So much for reading the posted ‘bill’……….here’s a small sample of it starting at page 5:

    ‘‘(III) FAILSAFE.—Subclause (II)
    10 shall apply for any calendar year only
    11 if the aggregate amount of premium
    12 tax credits under this section and
    13 cost-sharing reductions under section
    14 1402 of the Patient Protection and
    15 Affordable Care Act for the preceding
    16 calendar year exceeds an amount
    17 equal to 0.504 percent of the gross
    18 domestic product for the preceding
    19 calendar year.’’; and
    20 (2) in subsection (c)(2)(C)—
    21 (A) by striking ‘‘9.8 percent’’ in clauses
    22 (i)(II) and (iv) and inserting ‘‘9.5 percent’’, and
    23 (B) by striking ‘‘(b)(3)(A)(iii)’’ in clause
    24 (iv) and inserting ‘‘(b)(3)(A)(ii)’’.
    VerDate Nov 24 2008 12:44 Mar 18, 2010 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00005 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 C:\TEMP\HCEARA_001.XML HOLCPC
    March 18, 2010 (12:44 p.m.)
    F:\P11\NHI\RECON3\HCEARA_001.XML
    f:\VHLC3181031810.115.xml (463129|15)
    6
    1 (b) COST SHARING.—Section 1402(c) of the Patient
    2 Protection and Affordable Care Act is amended—
    3 (1) in paragraph (1)(B)(i)—
    4 (A) in subclause (I), by striking ‘‘90’’ and
    5 inserting ‘‘94’’;
    6 (B) in subclause (II)—
    7 (i) by striking ‘‘80’’ and inserting
    8 ‘‘87’’; and
    9 (ii) by striking ‘‘and’’; and
    10 (C) by striking subclause (III) and insert11
    ing the following:
    12 ‘‘(III) 73 percent in the c

  152. Re SSI etc, here are some figures to give an idea of how much of anyone’s taxes it amounts to.

    Food stamps 2 percent in 2011.

    Supplemental Security Income 1.3 percent in 2011.

    Nutritional programs: 0.7 percent in 2011.

    Imo the source is pretty slanted (Kiplinger Magazine) so these should be considered worst case. And this is not just the margin of fraud, but the WHOLE expenditure on all SSI disability.

    Figures from
    http://bulletin.aarp.org/states/me/2010/8/articles/editorial_national_debt_is_all_about_old_and_poor.html

    (And who bought AARP?!?)

  153. A
    dmin I agree and wherever she travels the receptions are always warm and show so much respect for her and her love for all people.we never see any signs of protest because of her visits to any country in the world.Meantime Gulliver keeps chasing his tail avoiding all who want him to stop and explain his agenda and how soon he will resign.
    THank the Lord we do have Hillary to pull us out of this morass that he has created of our great country.

    By ABM90 Thank You Madame President

  154. page 58
    Yep looks like it’ll be the government and not your doctor determining what it is you need, but I guess insurance companies already make those decisions when they phone it in for approval. I just don’t like all of my medical information being available with a swipe of a card. Does my dentist need to know if I was treated for depression?

    5 ‘‘(D) enable the real-time (or near real6
    time) determination of an individual’s financial
    7 responsibility at the point of service and, to the
    8 extent possible, prior to service, including
    9 whether the individual is eligible for a specific
    10 service with a specific physician at a specific fa11
    cility, which may include utilization of a ma12
    chine-readable health plan beneficiary identi13
    fication card;
    14 ‘‘(E) enable, where feasible, near real-time
    15 adjudication of claims;
    16 ‘‘(F) provide for timely acknowledgment,
    17 response, and status reporting applicable to any
    18 electronic transaction deemed appropriate by
    19 the Secretary;
    20 ‘‘(G) describe all data elements (such as
    21 reason and remark codes) in unambiguous
    22 terms, not permit optional fields, require that
    23 data elements be either required or conditioned
    24 upon set values in other fields, and prohibit ad25
    ditional conditions; and
    VerDate Nov 24 2008 23:53 Mar 17, 2010 Jkt 089200 PO 00000 Frm 00058 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 E:\BILLS\H4872.RH H4872 dcolon on DSK2BSOYB1PROD with

  155. My favorite military historian was JFC Fuller. So far as I know, he never commanded an army and there is no indication that he had those particular skills. He was a staff officer not a line officer. But as a stategist he was without peer in the modern era. He attained the rank of Major General at the age of twenty nine, was credited by Panzer General Hans Guderian for inventing Blizkreig (not at all what he intended since he was a loyal Brit), and in his spare time he dabbled in the occult. If you have any interest in military affairs his book The Conduct of War is a rewarding pursuit/

    Somewhere buried in his writings there is an object lesson which applies in spades to Obama and those who would march to his drum. The year was 1941, Hitler had launched Operation Barbarosa and the German Army had rolled over western Russia en route to their rendezvous with destiny in Stalingrad the following winter. An SS officer bore witness to a particular event which was the tipping point of the war and recorded it in his diary. He was killed in action, but his diary fell into Allied hands, and Fuller tells us what it said.

    At that point, the Germans were flushed with victory. The high command was handing out iron crosses for military victories and low casualties. In that sense they were alot like Obama and his dims. That impression was further reinforced by the reaction of the local population. In the Ukranine, they were greeted as liberators. The residents had good cause to hate Moscow, and saw this as an opportunity to cast off the Soviet yoke. Women gave the German soldiers flowers, food and kisses. Russian men joined the German Army and new SS units were formed.

    And then in the eyes of the soon to be dead SS officer they blew it all. The people wanted them to hoist the Ukranian flag over the land. Instead, they hoisted the swastika. At that moment, the SS officer concluded the war was lost. Why? Because in their grandiose dreams of victory, and today Europe tomorrow the world, they lost the support of the people. And so it is here with Obama. By calling this toxic piece of legislation which he has not bothered to read “my plan” and by ratifying the corrupt acts and twisted procedures which his lieutenants in the House are pursuing, in the face of strong public opposition he like the Nazis before him has lost the war.

  156. So are they going to pass this POS or what? I’ve about had it. The usual suspects are already out, UNBELIEVABLY, praising Obama on his performance. man, yes, a good performance! He’s passing the 1993 Republican alternative to ClintonCare. Long hail Ceasar! Anyone with eyes knows he dropped the ball very early on this, and now, like the primary, the Democrats in Congress are lifting him on their shoulders, carrying him over the finish line. Pathetic.

  157. I am confused about the affordable credit eligible individual(page 132) says that an individual with income below 400% of the poverty level is eligible. So if poverty level for a single person is 10,830 does that mean a single person making less than 43,320 is eligible?

  158. Thank you so much Admin.You made my day as everyday.At my age it is very heart warming to be heard recognized and needed.Your wisdom in your comments keeps the fires of patriotism burning in my heart.Thank You

    ABM90

  159. Intriguing:

    http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MTBmNDdhOWM5MmY3NTNlMGRiNGRiMmY3N2U0OWMzMzc=

    John Fund of the Wall Street Journal offers this intriguing tidbit, via the WSJ Political Diary e-mail:

    A Congressional Budget Office estimate on the cost of certain proposed House changes to the Senate bill is late. Sources tell me that the original scoring of the bill tripped the psychological barrier of $1 trillion in costs for the program’s first years, forcing a last-minute scramble for even more tax increases to pay for it. One option — accelerating imposition of a tax on high-cost “Cadillac” health care plans — will anger labor unions whose members often enjoy such plans.

    Rounding up the votes for health care has also proven difficult. House Democratic Whip Jim Clyburn told McClatchy Newspapers that final consideration of the bill may not occur until Easter (April 4) or later. He is dealing with dozens of members who refuse to commit to a firm position in hopes their silence will force the leadership to pull the bill and move on to other issues. “Just say nothing,” is how one Democratic staffer explained the strategy being taken by many members. “Maybe it will just go away, and we can avoid a tough vote this close to the election.”

    On the one hand, if this mentality is widespread, it might explain why we have so many undecided (or at least claiming to be undecided) folks — 77 by one count! — with the final vote coming up in two days and change. And it’s not that hard to imagine a nervous House Democrat thinking they can escape a tough spot by refusing to take a position.

    But is it really conceivable that Pelosi would scrap the president’s signature legislative agenda item without a vote? If these folks wanted the bill to go away, wouldn’t they be better off privately indicating to Pelosi that if it comes to a vote, they’ll have to be a “no”?

    And what happens when “just say nothing” is no longer viable? “Just vote present”?

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