Christmas Is Coming, The Boob Is Getting Flat

We’re not talking about his manboobs – those seem to be getting bigger. We’re making our list, checking it twice, gonna find out who’s naughty and nice.

Hillary Clinton – most assuredly – nice.

Bill Clinton – nice.

Chelsea Clinton – nice. Chelsea gets a name addition too in her future.

Obama – it’s almost year end and he’s still not ready. Not ready on Day 1, still not ready. Get the bag of coal!



John Edwards and “Hillary’s marriage is not as happy as mine”, Elizabeth Edwards –

New documents prove beyond all doubt that John Edwards is the father of his mistress’s love child — a development that puts an exclamation mark to the ex presidential candidate’s cheating and lying while his wife battled cancer.

RadarOnline.com has obtained the documents, which details the money battle between Edwards and Rielle Hunter, as she seeks more than $17,000 per month from him.

Hugo Chavez, waiting for his No Preconditions meeting with Obama, still smells sulphur:

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said he “still” smelled sulfur after President Obama made a keynote speech at the Copenhagen climate conference Friday, accusing the American president of carrying same satanic Chavez believes followed Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush.

Chavez, who was not included on the original list of speakers for the final day of the summit, ended the proceedings with bitter references to the Peace Prize-winning Obama as the “Nobel Prize of War.”

“The Nobel Prize of War just finished saying here that he is here to act. Well, show it sir. Don’t leave by the back door,” he said.

Three years after Chavez likened Bush to the devil during a speech at the United Nations General Assembly in New York, the socialist strongman tore into Obama, claiming Friday that “it still smells like sulfur in the world.”

Assembled world leaders cheered on Chavez….

“Hope” and “Change” – False Hope, Chump pocket Change. Keep it. Keep the change.

Chicago Thugs, still thugs:

Personal calls from Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and former Vice President Al Gore couldn’t persuade him to vote for the Speaker’s climate change bill. He also opposed the $787 billion stimulus, citing concerns that only 7 percent was devoted to infrastructure spending.

DeFazio was one of only two Democrats to vote against those measures and the $700 billion bank bailout. (The other was Rep. Gene Taylor (D-Miss.) a Blue Dog conservative.) [snip]

“Don’t think we’re not keeping score, brother,” Obama told DeFazio during a closed-door meeting of the House Democratic Caucus, according to members afterward.

More bags of coal needed.

The Nutroots and the Kooks, who maligned and smeared Hillary for the greater glory of their Mess-iah, are now lying in their filth. More bags of coal for them.

Hillary supporter websites which stood by Hillary and respectfully refused to back Obama (“Accept No Substitutes) – Nice.

Losers who first supported Hillary on their websites then tried to erase everything they wrote in order to dupe American voters into voting for unqualified, inexperienced Obama – who now realize we were and are right – coal for them.

Backstabbing Senator Chris Dodd – coal and election loss.

Backstabbing Bill Richardson – coal and obscurity and ruin (and failed diet).

Backstabbing Donna Brazile and Oprah, who backstabbed women and the best candidate – coal and failed diets and misery.

Howard Dean – coal and exile in opposition from Mess-iah land.

Big Media – coal and the unemployment line.

Republicans who trashed Hillary and now are faced with the horror of their hypocrisy – coal and toil to restore themselves.

Copenhagen – insults Obama when it counts, praises Obama only to his face – an empty stocking (no coal, but no gift either).

Nobel Peace Prize Committee – coal and the discount bin for their formerly prestigious trinket.

Michele Obama – coal, the punishment of sleeves, and banishment from Whole Foods.

Backstabber Greg Craig – coal and job as hotel bellhop.

MSNBC – bags of coal, no ratings, no viewers, no Mess-iah, and a knife in the back with the initials B.O.

Lady Lynn Forester De Rothschild – nice. Continued classiness is it’s own reward.

Andrew Sullivan and Gay-Americans who trashed Hillary – bags of coal and no marriage and no divorce from the reality of the gay-basher they enabled.

The “Peace Movement” activists who trashed Hillary as a “war-monger” and enabled the boob – bags of coal and Afghanistan and Iraq and Gitmo.

We’ll continue with our list checking as Christmas approaches. It won’t be pretty. We’ll be distributing so much coal we’ll be blamed for global warming.

Big Pink supporters – nice.

For friends and family we have not seen in a while:



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282 thoughts on “Christmas Is Coming, The Boob Is Getting Flat

  1. I LOVE this post!

    Happy Holidays Big Pink!

    This is ROTF funny!
    “Christmas is coming, the Boob is getting Flat!”

    Classic Admin. HoHoHo.

    (Except I’ve now got a bad case of earworms and i can’t get that tune out of my head)

  2. This world is just freaking crazy, my daughter just got attacked in the emergency room by a patient that was pist off that someone got called to a room before he was. She’s OK, just a bit shaken.

  3. Admin: Yes its a great post! Merry Christmas/Happy New Year. No telling what the New YEar will bring, maybe our biggest hope, Obama gone.

  4. Basil9, SHe works there, she the admitting clerk in the emergency room. This is a 10 bed hospital in the middle of nowhere. People are just getting fed up with life, I think.

  5. Wasn’t Obama supposed to improve relations with the world?

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.b906163662d9b06fc3c89eb53b5da4fe.831&show_article=1

    Veteran Cuban leader Fidel Castro on Friday dismissed US President Barack Obama’s trip to UN climate change talks in Copenhagen as a “show,” and complained that the world’s poor will shoulder the burden of any summit agreement. [snip]

    He opined that “for the chiefs of the empire (the United States), despite their maneuvers and cynical lies, the moment of truth is arriving. Their own allies believe them less and less.”

    In the article, which appeared in government-run media, Castro quotes at length leftist Bolivian President Evo Morales and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who both spoke at the summit.

    The former Cuban president, who still leads the Cuban Communist Party, earlier criticized Obama for accepting the Nobel Peace Prize and lashed out at his climate policies, accusing the US president of not fighting the “oligarchy of irresponsibly” who are opposing change.

    “Obama is not ignorant. Like (Al) Gore, he knows the grave danger that threatens everyone, but he vacillates and is weak in the face of a blind and irresponsible oligarchy in that country,” Castro wrote in an editorial published December 9.

  6. Obama has bigger problems than his carbon footprint.

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.b906163662d9b06fc3c89eb53b5da4fe.5d1&show_article=1

    US President Barack Obama’s hesitant appearance in Copenhagen drew dismay Friday from environmentalists, conceding that the leader who once embodied their dreams is hamstrung politically. [snip]

    But Obama offered no new US pledges of action, despite predictions by many in Copenhagen that he would spring a dramatic 11th-hour surprise to turn around the faltering talks.

    “I was frankly surprised. I didn’t think it was his strongest performance,” said US Representative Earl Blumenauer, a staunch environmentalist in Obama’s Democratic Party who came to Copenhagen with a congressional delegation.

    “The fact is there was nothing new and maybe a little of a harsher tone,” he told AFP.

    “Maybe Copenhagen isn’t his city,” he said, referring to Obama’s failed mission here to bring the Olympics to Chicago.

  7. Here is something he introduced in Dec.

    DEFAZIO INTRODUCES LEGISLATION INVOKING WALL STREET ‘TRANSACTION TAX’ | Print |
    HARKIN TO INTRODUCE SIMILAR LEGISLATION IN THE SENATE NEXT WEEK

    WASHINGTON, DC— Representative Peter DeFazio (D-OR), Chairman of the House Subcommittee on Highways and Transit was joined by 22 of his House colleagues today in introducing new legislation that assess a miniscule tax on Wall Street securities transactions. The money it generates will be used to rebuild Main Street. The legislation, H.R. 4191 Let Wall Street Pay for the Restoration of Main Street Act, has powerful support from the economists, Wall Street investors, labor organizations, and consumer groups.

    “Our nation continues to be crippled by a struggling economy which has resulted in an astronomical unemployment rate of 10.2%. The American taxpayers bailed out Wall Street during a crisis brought on by reckless speculation in the financial markets. This legislation will force Wall Street to do their part and put people displaced by that crisis back to work,” DeFazio said.

    “I voted against the absurd bank bailout and the Bush Administration’s cowboy capitalism, markets know best, deregulation at all cost policies. Our stunning unemployment rate is clearly a result of the failure of those policies. We cannot wait for the next bubble to pull us out of the recession. We must invest in our future, our infrastructure, and our middle class now. This legislation will ensure Wall Street pay for needed investment to get our country back on track,” DeFazio continued

    Harkin intends to introduce similar legislation in the Senate next week.

    “It is time to raise revenues, pay the bills and create jobs in America, and the most painless way to do this is by imposing a modest tax on financial transactions,” Senator Harkin said. “There is no question that Wall Street can easily bear this tax. Last year, the U.S. taxpayer bailed out Goldman Sachs to the tune of $10 billion. This year, Goldman Sachs has set aside nearly $17 billion for bonuses. We need a shift in priorities in this country to ask not what America can do for Wall Street, but ask what Wall Street can do for America.”

    The legislation assesses a small securities transaction tax on Wall Street. A securities transaction tax is applied to:

    •Stock transactions (tax rate will be 1/4 of 1 percent–0.25%),
    •Futures contracts to buy or sell a specified commodity of standardized quality at a certain date in the future, at a market determined price (tax rate will be 0.02%)
    •Swaps between two firms on certain benefits of one party’s financial instrument for those of the other party’s financial instrument (tax rate will be 0.02%)
    • Credit default swaps where a contract is swapped through a series of payments in exchange for a payoff if a credit instrument (typically a bond or loan) goes into default (fails to pay) (tax rate will be 0.02%)
    •And options, which are contracts between a buyer and a seller that gives the buyer the right, but not the obligation, to buy or to sell a particular asset on or before the option’s expiration time, at an agreed price (at the rate of the underlying asset)

    A transaction tax has the support of over 200 economists, including Paul Krugman, business leaders like John Bogle, the founder of Vangard, and labor and consumer organizations such as AFL-CIO and Americans for Financial Reform. It will provide a disincentive for excessive speculation. Much of the excessive risk on Wall Street is in the form of high-volume short-term speculative trading. The tax could raise approximately $150 billion a year.

    To ensure the tax is appropriately targeted to speculators and has no impact on the average investor and pension funds, the tax will be refunded for:

    •tax-favored retirement accounts
    •mutual funds
    •education savings accounts
    •health savings accounts
    •the first $100,000 of transactions annually that are not already exempted
    Half the revenue generated by this transaction tax (approximately $75 billion) would be deposited in a Job Creation Reserve to fund the creation of good paying jobs and put Americans back to work rebuilding our nation’s infrastructure. Each $1 billion of Federal infrastructure investment creates or sustains over 34,000 American jobs and $6.2 billion in economic activity. The Surface Transportation Authorization Act of 2009, which would will create or sustain over 12.5 million family wage jobs, would be partially funded through this tax.

    The second half of the revenue generated by this transaction tax (approximately $75 billion) would be used to directly reduce the deficit

  8. Glad she’s OK.

    Chavez also apparently still thinks the US is the great Satan. He said there was a strong smell of sulphur in the room after Squat spoke.

    (Didn’t he say that about Bush, too?)

    BTW – I loved Brazille and Orca’s ‘gifts’ – failed diets and misery! Bwa-ha-ha!

    Can’t wait to see what you’re giving the other backstabbers on your list.

  9. Here’s DeFazio’s common sense approach to climate change. Why do we not hear about the other ways??

    Dear Oregonian,

    The potential impacts of climate change in Oregon, the U.S., and the world are of the utmost importance and we must take immediate and meaningful action to reduce greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions. I’ve added this “Climate Policy” resource to my webpage to help inform Oregonians about climate policy happening in Washington, D.C. and Salem. I will regularly update this page with links to relevant news articles, reports, congressional testimony and other resources that I hope you find useful in participating in this important debate.

    Once you’ve embraced the science of global warming and its potential impacts, one can begin to discuss the actions needed to reduce GHG emissions. Three approaches are receiving the most attention to deal with climate change in the U.S. The most popular approach is a cap-and-trade system that creates a market to buy and trade pollution allowances. A second approach is a carbon tax that would levy a tax on GHGs at their sources. A third option is to reduce emissions through a regulatory approach, such as a cap and permit system.

    In my opinion, a cap-and-trade system is prone to market manipulation and speculation without any guarantee of meaningful GHG emission reductions. A cap-and-trade has been operating in Europe for three years and is largely a failure. Nearly $60 billion worth of carbon allowances are traded every year, yet emissions on the continent continue to rise. Deregulation of our electricity markets and the recent performance of financial markets around the world give me further cause for concern about using “the market” to solve a serious issue like climate change.

    In comparison to a cap-and-trade, a carbon tax is a much more straight-forward approach. Many economists note a carbon tax is more efficient than a cap-and-trade since there is no market for speculators to manipulate. Further, revenues generated from a carbon tax could be channeled to consumers to help offset the costs of higher energy and commodity prices. Revenues could also be used to invest in energy efficiency, clean technologies, and adaptation projects.

    Finally, a more old-fashion approach (but one that has served us well historically) would be through a regulatory scheme. In the 1970s we used the Clean Water Act to clean up our polluted rivers, lakes, and waterways with phenomenal success. The system works by establishing an emission reduction schedule and imposing stiff fines for those who do not meet their targets. This is the approach I prefer because it is a proven method for reducing pollution in the U.S.

    A regulatory approach such as the Clean Water Act can be calibrated to meet the challenges of climate change. To this effect, I am a cosponsor of federal legislation called the Clean Environment and Stable Energy Market Act (H.R. 1683) introduced by Jim McDermott of Washington. This proposal would reduce GHG emissions by 80 percent by 2050 by requiring producers of GHG emissions to purchase pollution permits from the government. The price of these permits and a clear, predictable permit price schedule would be under the jurisdiction of the Treasury Secretary. Emissions would drop as the number of permits available is ratcheted down over time.

    Importantly, this proposal would not allow for pollution permits to be traded or re-sold. The revenues raised by the government from selling the permits would be used to invest in energy efficiency, clean technology, and to assist low-income consumers. H.R. 1683 would avoid creating and regulating a new, complex energy market and relying on traders to set the cost for emitting climate-changing toxins into our atmosphere. This legislation also provides price certainty to consumers and industry, encourages investments in cleaner, more efficient technologies, and provides a more certain path to GHG emission reductions.

    Climate change is real. Our actions must be swift but comprehensive, and efficient but effective. A system that relies on an unregulated, market-based approach is too risky and unproven. That’s why I believe we must begin to discuss viable alternatives to a cap-and-trade. Again, I hope you find these resources useful in your consideration of how Oregon and the U.S. should proceed with policies to combat climate change.

  10. birdgal, just read another article on a Louise Slaughter, congresswoman, she is introducing credit card interest cap at 16%, apparently there many good democrats out there, we just need to start looking. These are the ones big business and the Soros elk don’t elevate because they can’t be bought. I think these are Clinton democrats because many seem to have Hillary’s ideas.

  11. For all you folks that are ready to go rethug, we really need to look at how to get the scum out of the party, and not go over the the red side. I am a democrat dammit, and I used to be proud of it.

  12. confloyd,

    I’m ashamed to say I used to be a Dem, too.

    I switched to Independent last year and I will never again vote party over person.

    At this point there are few Dims I relate to anymore. Right now I feel closest to the Tea Party Movement.

  13. She does more in 30 minutes than the idiot does in a whole year.

    ——————-
    Inside Clinton’s Copenhagen trip

    Fri, 12/18/2009

    As the climate-change deal deadline in Copenhagen loomed late Thursday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton huddled with world leaders in an impromptu meeting that lasted into the wee hours of the morning, a State Department official on the scene reports.

    Following Clinton’s attendance at the Queen’s dinner (after her meeting with Chinese premier Wen Jiabao), heads of state of key countries decided to go back to the Bella Center and talk it all out until past 2 a.m. In attendance were British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, French President Nicholas Sarkozy, South African President Jacob Zuma, Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, and others, the official said.

    China was represented by chief negotiator Su Wei (rather than Wen) and Clinton stepped out of the room twice to consult privately with Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi, who was also in town. The last-minute dealings showed the urgency and concern about reaching an agreement or at least keeping the possibility open as President Obama flew toward the conference.

    Politico’s Glenn Thrush reported that Wen boycotted Friday morning’s leaders meeting, which Clinton attended. But then, Clinton sat in on Wen’s one-hour meeting with President Obama later in the morning, after which progress was reported.

    When not shuttling around doing climate-change diplomacy, Clinton found time to sit in on National Security Advisor Jim Jones’s meeting with his Russian counterpart on the follow-on to the START nuclear reductions treaty. She also sat in on Obama’s bilateral with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, which covered START and a number of other issues. Busy day.

    Clinton’s plan is to leave Copenhagen tonight but the schedule is fluid, our State Department official on the scene reports. One concern is the blizzard that’s headed to the Washington area now.

    Either way, she’s going to miss State Department spokesman Robert Wood’s going-away party at 3 p.m. He’s headed to Vienna to be DCM there. Congrats, Robert!

    http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/12/18/inside_clintons_copenhagen_trip

  14. Happy Holidays, admin. I’m still reading Hillaryis44 regularly. Great job continuing to hold the flim flam man accountable.

    The Obamas will escape the disaster they created on the mainland with a vacation to Hawaii for the holidays. There, Michelle can go sleeveless and Obama can show off his man boobs for the HuffPo paparazzi.

  15. December 18, 2009

    Secretary of State Clinton to Deliver Major Speech Renewing U.S. Support For Universal Access to Reproductive Health Worldwide

    Washington — Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will deliver a major speech Monday, December 21, 2009 to mark the 15th year of the International Conference on Population and Developmen. Secretary Clinton will announce the U.S. Government’s renewed support for and dedication to reaching the ICPD goals and other related UN agreements, including the Millennium Development Goals, by 2015.

    The speech will be live streamed on http://www.icpd2015.org starting at approximately 3:00 pm. A transcript and video of of the speech will be posted on this site following the event.

    At the 1994 ICPD held in Cairo, Egypt, 179 nations reached consensus on actions needed to achieve universal access to education, especially for girls; reductions in infant, child and maternal mortality, and universal access to reproductive health over the next 20 years.

    Many United Nations conferences and international meetings have reaffirmed the ICPD “Cairo Consensus”, including the 1995 Fourth World Conference on Women that established the Beijing Platform for Action, and the 2000 Millennium Summit, that established the Millennium Development Goals. (These mutually reinforcing commitments are the cornerstones of population and development policies for the international community.

    Recent polls show that a majority of Americans across the ideological spectrum strongly support the principles in the worldwide consensus reached at the ICPD, including providing voluntary family planning and reproductive health services.

    Millions of lives have been improved and saved through effective and affordable reproductive health programs, which have proven to prevent the deaths of women and children, reduce the spread of HIV/AIDS, grow economies and preserve natural resources.

    United Nations and non-governmental leaders agree that though successful programs exist, far more progress needs to be made, including a a sustained, long-term commitment by both the public and private sectors. Tamara Kreinin, Executive Director of Women and Population at the United Nations Foundation, said “UNFPA, NGOs, bilateral donors, and developing country governments have all contributed significantly to implementing the ICPD agenda to help women and girls around the world over the past fifteen years.”

    Ms. Kreinin added, “Each of these sectors knows exactly what interventions save women’s lives and build healthy families and communities. The key is for the commitment and partnership among them, particularly that of our own government, to remain focused and consistent. It is indeed exciting to hear Secretary Clinton reaffirm the U.S.’s commitment.”

    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/12/prweb3365194.htm

  16. Copenhagen ends with deal wrapped in confusion

    A senior US official said that a deal had been reached, although it was not sufficient to combat threat of global warming

    So basically they reached nothing. I mean that was the whole point of the conference, so they reached a deal to disagree about what they were there for in the first place.

  17. The United Nations climate change summit at Copenhagen drew to an unsatisfactory close last night, with negotiators only able to secure a non-binding agreement between the developed and developing nations.

    President Obama said that a “fundamental deadlock in perspectives” had overshadowed the negotiations. He said that a climate deal had been reached with India, China and South Afrrica, but admitted that it was not enough to fight global warming. He added: “We have much further to go.”

    In its statement, released at 10.30pm the White House described the agreement as meaningful.

    “No country is entirely satisfied with each element but this is a meaningful and historic step forward and a foundation from which to make further progress,” it said.

    Commenting on the draft Copenhagen Accord, the Greenpeace climate campaigner Joss Garman said tonight: “This latest draft is so weak as to be meaningless. It’s more like a G8 communiqué than the legally binding agreement we need.

    “It doesn’t even include a timeline to give it legal standing or an explicit temperature target. It’s hard to imagine our leaders will try to present this document to the world and keep a straight face.”

    —————————————————————————————-

    I told you earlier, they had to come up with some piece of shit to try and save face, total effing disaster on every level.

  18. Those meeting always come up with something, just as there will be something passed for Health Care.

    An Empty Suit is leading this country, and the world knows it.

  19. Fox is reporting Squat got a $30 billion agreed signed including China and India but noted it’s not legally binding.

    Of course, Squat doesn’t seem the least bit concerned about that trivial detail. He wants to say he got something signed, even if it means nothing just like the HCR bill.

    Reid is now planning on starting the final countdown to the bill tomorrow night and congressional staffers are setting up cots in preparation for the 20 inches of snow expected.

    Only problem is Lieberman left town for the Sabbath and if he can’t make it back to DC tomorrow coz of travel restrictions – no 60 votes for Harry. hehehehehehe

  20. agreed – agreement.

    What I wouldn’t give for an edit function in the comment boxes!

    All I want for Xmas …….

  21. 30 billion, that’ll like last all of 2 seconds, what a waste of time. A face saver, oh we did something agreement.

    Totally meaningless.

  22. MoP, CNN is trumpeting Obama as if he alone saved it. They said a deal wasn’t hammered until he alone arrived. We all know that is bullshit. I can’t stand watching CNN, it is just sick and full of Obama all the time.

  23. Saved what? The whole thing is a sham, its just crap, the climate campaigners more or less said, its a pile of steaming horse puckey.

    Told you he’d do a grandstanding piece when nothing is actually done, same old bullshit from bambi.

  24. Obama’s statement,

    Obama: ‘Copenhagen a success because some nations may volunteer to address the issue in the future’

    WTF is this daft twit on about. Thats the biggest crock i’ve ever heard.

  25. Just got this tweet from NPR:

    Obama ‘Burst’ Into Meeting Of Chinese, Indian, Brazil Leaders
    6:34 pm

    By Frank James

    President Barack Obama is known for his preternatural cool. He’s also known for being very deferential to foreign leaders, sometimes too much so.

    But even he evidently has his limits.

    The New York Times reports that Obama did some of what used to be called bum-rushing today.

    The deal came after a dramatic moment in which Mr. Obama burst into a meeting of the Chinese, Indian and Brazilian leaders, according to senior administration officials. Chinese protocol officers protested, and Mr. Obama said he did not want them negotiating in secret.
    The intrusion led to new talks that cemented key terms of the deal, American officials said.
    Sergio Serra, Brazil’s senior climate negotiator here, confirmed that Mr. Obama had “joined” a meeting of Brazilian, Indian, Chinese and other officials, although he did not say that Mr. Obama walked in uninvited.

  26. nobody watches cnn anymore. Their ratings have tanked drastically. The bloated mouthpieces are simply talking to themselves.

  27. Here’s a Christmas present for us all (especially to you Admin who knew this all along). Didn’t know if this was posted earlier…

    “Are Hillary Clinton Supporters Murmuring I Told You So?”

    w w w.examiner.com/examiner/x-6572-NY-Obama-Administration-Examiner~y2009m12d17-Are-Hillary-Clinton-supporters-murmuring-I-told-you-so

  28. We aint murmuring it, we’ve been shouting it out since day one of the primaries, can’t these people get their facts right.

  29. If you read the AP’s reportage of the summit, you would never think this article and theirs have anything in common. Or better, are they reporting about the same summit?

    Icy reception from some for climate agreement

    The first reactions are in to the climate summit — and they’re largely negative.

    The leaders are hailing it, with President Barack Obama saying the agreement is an “unprecedented” step in fighting climate change. But even Obama acknowledged it was not enough.

    Reactions are predictably harsher among the NGOs. 350.org, a climate pressure group, said it’s “totally disappointed” with Obama.

    “The president has wrecked the UN and he’s wrecked the possibility of a tough plan to control global warming, said its founder, Bill McKibben.

    So what’s in the deal? One of the key achievements is financing, with developed nations pledging so-called fast-track funding to help poor nations switch to low-carbon technology and cope with climate change.

    Japan would contribute a total of 11 billion dollars over the three-year period, the European Union 10.6 billion and the United States 3.6 billion dollars.

    Another key point — highlighted by the World Wildlife Fund in the US — is on transparency. The United States had been pushing China to prove it’s doing what it’s saying. The issue seems to have been skirted around by speaking of “national communications” rather than the more heavy-handed sounding “verification.”

    “A key contentious issue that has now been solved,” said the WWF’s Carter Roberts.

    The Sierra Club lay the blame not with Obama but with the US Senate, which has yet to approve first-of-a-kind legislation on curbing emissions amid staunch opposition by many Republicans.

    “President Obama and the rest of the world paid a steep price here in Copenhagen because of obstructionism in the United States Senate,” said Carl Pope, the Sierra Club’s executive director.

    “That a deal was reached at all is testament to President Obama’s leadership — all the more remarkable because of the very weak hand he was dealt,” he said.

    Senator John Kerry, the champion of the legislation, is clearly listening and vowed again Friday to pass the bill in the new year.

    Some green campaigners said they were hopeful for a stronger deal next year once the climate (no pun) changes. French President Nicolas Sarkozy said that Germany is ready to host a new meeting in Bonn in six months.

    AFP reporter Shaun Tandon

  30. Now THIS is too delicious!

    Pelousy, the American delegation and even Squat are all returning from the Global Warming Conference because of a BLIZZARD bearing down on Washington DC!

    Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha

  31. OMG!
    Squat’s Thug-roots emerge! No wonder he wasn’t upset by the State dinner party crashers. He barged uninvited into a Copenhagen meeting between China, India, South Africa and Brazil!

    How friggin embarrassing it is to have such a dolt as POTUS.

    From Politico;

    “Senior Obama administration officials describe quite a dramatic scene at Climate Change Conference.

    Officials say President Obama was frustrated. The conference was in complete chaos.

    At about 730 pm Denmark time – the president was supposed to have left an hour before — he learned that Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, with whom he was supposed to meet, was meeting with the leaders of India, South Africa, and Brazil – the main players holding up any sort of political agreement.

    The president heard about this and said he wanted to go to the meeting.

    “Four against one,” an official said to the president.

    “No problem,” he replied.

    A senior administration official says the president “barged into the meeting,” where he joined China’s Wen, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Brazil’s President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, and South Africa’s President Jacob Zuma.

    The reporters’ pool note from that time said that President Obama walked into the room and called out from the door, “Mr. Premier, are you ready to see me? Are you ready?”

    They talked for roughly 45 minutes and emerged with a non-binding political accord”

  32. So basically our supposed World President had to barge into a room to talk to others, lol, jesus talk about commanding no audience whatsoever.

    Humiliating or what, i remember when world leaders used to beg to see our President, and that included Dubya, now its like, he’s begging for an audience.

    WTF.

  33. confloyd
    December 18th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
    according to the polls that Fox is putting up. The tea party people still want a democrat not a rethug. My point is I think the people want Hillary. Fox somehow have polled the tea party movement, they want a democrat, how they did this is beyond me,

    =============================

    Now that is very interesting and surprising! Where can we find more detial? Links?

    Most of the Tea Party quotes I’ve seen seem to be about rightwing positions.

  34. moononpluto, It’s so embarrassing to have two morons in a row for president. What does the world think of us? The Chinese aren’t easily duped by con men. They probably saw through Obama before he was elected. Other world leaders are laughing in private at how easy it will be to walk over the United States for the next three years.

  35. ADMIN!

    Much as I DESPISE the sight and sound of Squat, this clip is a must-see.

    www dot youtube dot com/watch?v=xa4ShMH13FM&

    It’s Squat speaking -rambling -in Copenhagen.

    Check the last couple of seconds when he ADMITS he has to leave the Global Warming Conference early because of ‘weather constraints’ AKA a BLIZZARD in DC.

    BTW, Now I know why confloyd thought HRC seemed happy the other day. She must have known TOTUS wasn’t invited and Squat is lost without his BFF!

  36. basil9
    December 18th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    Glad she’s OK.

    Chavez also apparently still thinks the US is the great Satan. He said there was a strong smell of sulphur in the room after Squat spoke.

    (Didn’t he say that about Bush, too?)

    ==============================

    Originally he said it about Bush, much stronger. Said BUSH was Satan, not the US was, iirc.

    Now he means Obama is Bush III.

    Of course we know the real Satan is DK. 😉

    (Woops, somebody might take that out of context….)

  37. basil it has been noted on a lot of blogs and newspapers tonight about that speech and how this is supposed to be one of the worlds great orators, they are like WTF. Nope sweety, this is one of the world best conman lost without his TOTUS.

  38. turndown, Just go glennbeckclips, I think it was on either yesterday or the day before. Glenn is always saying people are still pist at the rethugs. I hope so, because we still need the REAL democrats.

  39. Called out from the door?? The president of the freaking united states barged into a meeting to whine at the Chinese Premier (who had already pointedly blown him off), and called out from the freaking DOOR?

    Jeebus H. Christ, does this boob have HANDLERS?? A protocol officer? Anything?

  40. basil9, She was probably relived that the left did not get to saddle the American people with a treaty written in stone.

  41. Great post, very sensible! I’m cutting it for quicker reading.
    —————-

    Confloyd
    December 18th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    Here’s DeFazio’s common sense approach to climate change. Why do we not hear about the other ways??

    Dear Oregonian,

    [….] we must take immediate and meaningful action to reduce greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions. [….]

    Three approaches are receiving the most attention to deal with climate change in the U.S. The most popular approach is a cap-and-trade system that creates a market to buy and trade pollution allowances. A second approach is a carbon tax that would levy a tax on GHGs at their sources. A third option is to reduce emissions through a regulatory approach, such as a cap and permit system.

    In my opinion, a cap-and-trade system is prone to market manipulation and speculation without any guarantee of meaningful GHG emission reductions.
    [….]
    In comparison to a cap-and-trade, a carbon tax is a much more straight-forward approach. Many economists note a carbon tax is more efficient than a cap-and-trade since there is no market for speculators to manipulate.
    [….]
    Finally, a more old-fashion approach (but one that has served us well historically) would be through a regulatory scheme. [….]
    I am a cosponsor of federal legislation called the Clean Environment and Stable Energy Market Act (H.R. 1683) [to] reduce GHG emissions by 80 percent by 2050 by requiring producers of GHG emissions to purchase pollution permits from the government.
    [….]
    Importantly, this proposal would not allow for pollution permits to be traded or re-sold.
    [….]
    Climate change is real. Our actions must be swift but comprehensive, and efficient but effective.
    A system that relies on an unregulated, market-based approach is too risky and unproven. That’s why I believe we must begin to discuss viable alternatives to a cap-and-trade.

  42. because basically this conference was one big ruse to look like they were doing something but still they are in the pockets of industry who do not want climate change attended to. So again nothig was achieved. Could have told you this 7 days ago, in fact we all did.

  43. Moon, H4T,

    The classless wonder strikes again! 😡

    Ya know, several posters here have opined over the past year that eventually Squat will have a major meltdown.

    I used to think that was just a pipe dream but after hearing about his gangsta break-down-the-doors stunt in Copenhagen and hearing that AWFUL speech, I’m beginning to think it may happen – (hopefully on national TV.)

    Especially if HCR doesn’t pass . . What a great Xmas present that would be.
    ,

  44. Obama burst in the closed meeting so no deals could be made in secret, yet that is exactly how he has crafted the healthcare bill in secret, no one really knows what is in it.

    Mark my works the rethugs will suddenly get out of the way at the last minute and let the bill go thru, who wants to bet me?? Wbboei??

  45. Mrs. Smith
    December 18th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
    posted:
    [….] developed nations pledging so-called fast-track funding to help poor nations switch to low-carbon technology and cope with climate change.
    Japan would contribute a total of 11 billion dollars over the three-year period, the European Union 10.6 billion and the United States 3.6 billion dollars.
    AFP reporter Shaun Tandon [….]

    ———————-

    I’m sure if anything comes of this the numbers will shift, probably to the US disadvantage, but this gives some perspective on the proposal.

    Not that I’m for it … Rezko slums in Africa….

  46. Turndown, I like this guy, obviously he isn’t bought and paid for by Soros. It leaves out speculators and market manipulators which is what Soros does.

    I like the last method, how about you?

    I was telling wbboei, that taxing us on how many miles we drive is crazy because I might drive 1 hr to work as I live in rural Texas and I would be taxed more than a person who lives in Houston who drives 5 miles to work. I say it isn’t fair that way because the person who is driving 5 miles is setting on a freeway emitting just as much carbon in an hour sitting in traffic as I do driving 40 miles to work in that very same hour, so how can that be fair??

  47. Confloyd, he had no business bursting in on a closed meeting. If they want to, they can hold a private meeting, it is their right to have trilateral talks, Obama has no right to barge in like a petulant child, its unprofessional. If he aint invited, tough.

    Imagine if China had tried to burst in on the US and Uk having bilateral talks and demanding to be seated.

    I’m sorry but that little outburst is going to cost us big.

  48. MoP, Your right, the guy knows nothing about protocol, his actions are that of trailer trash. I thought the lefties thought he had the manners of the Queen.

  49. confloyd
    December 18th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    turndown, whose DK, are you talking about dailykos, Markos?

    =========================

    Yes, aka the Great Orange Satan of the Blogosphere.

    Remember our old POSTED banter about burning witches? That’s a lot worse than CRU’s private emails.

  50. moononpluto
    December 18th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    Obama probably had the room wired (bugged) he knew what they were talking about and burst in to curtail and include himself in the conversation.

  51. There is a thread at the confluence discussing the incident with Obama bursting into the closed meeting
    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/12/18/its-330pm-and-all-of-us-whiny-crybabies-are-still-screwed-open-thread/#comment-426093
    Now Hillary is in charge of cleaning up the mess Bush and Obama made. Someone needs to teach Obama that disrespect in the Asian culture is a big no-no. He is a child and an amateur. Someone please send him back to Chicago.

  52. moononpluto
    December 18th, 2009 at 8:03 pm

    because basically this conference was one big ruse to look like they were doing something but still they are in the pockets of industry who do not want climate change attended to. So again nothig was achieved.

    =====================

    That’s about right. And look who got last minute news coverage attacking the climate science community: IEA (Moscow-based Institute of ECONOMIC Analysis) run by A CATO MAN.

  53. moononpluto
    December 18th, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    ————–
    Amen! God forbid they should come up with an agreement without him being front and center. This was do or die for him. He is 0 for 0 and couldn’t go home to meme with his tail between his you-know-what. The guy has to be the star of the show…poor twit that he is.

  54. Republican Snowe still courted on health care

    By ERICA WERNER

    WASHINGTON — Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe rated a full two hours of President Barack Obama’s time the day before he left for climate talks in Copenhagen this week — more than any of her colleagues can claim — as Democrats try to persuade her to vote for their health care overhaul.

    She spoke Friday with Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., as she does nearly every day. Top White House staffers visit the senator in her office.

    Even so the moderate Snowe is far from committing to backing the legislation, and Democrats have all but ruled out getting her support when the bill comes to a vote in the next several days. But Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., remains one vote shy of the 60 he needs to get the health care bill passed. So until and unless Reid secures his top target — Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb. — Snowe remains an undeniable factor, as she so often is.

    Snowe herself is unmoved. Her position? The whole process is moving way too fast, and unless it slows down she can’t get comfortable enough with the legislation to support it — although she’s also not ready to say she’s voting “no.” “I’m not going to answer any hypotheticals,” Snowe told a reporter who asked as she stood in the middle of a large press scrum just off the Senate floor this week.

    As always Snowe, 62, was armed with a stack of folders, an elegant suit, and seemingly far more detailed knowledge of the health care legislation than any of her questioners. The third-term senator is not much of a delegator, and her staff jokes that she’s been spending more than 100 percent of her time on the health care issue.

    “I’m not at a point where I have all my answers,” said Snowe, who recently sent a five-page letter posing numerous inquires to the Congressional Budget Office. They touched on issues, some seemingly arcane, including the impact of expanding a tax credit for small businesses, and sought a state-by-state analysis of the impact of the legislation on insurance premiums.

    Snowe hasn’t heard back yet and now accuses Democratic leaders of taking “political shortcuts because we’re up against the Christmas holiday.” “I could see this scenario unfolding back in October,” Snowe said. October was when Snowe kept all of Washington guessing before voting in favor of the health overhaul bill in the Senate Finance Committee, becoming the first — and only — Republican senator to do so. “When history calls, history calls,” Snowe said at the time.

    Democrats remember how close Snowe kept her cards to the vest before casting that vote, and how she also complained then that the process was going too fast. The bill now before the Senate is not too far removed from what Snowe supported in committee, so some think that if she voted “yes” then, she could do it again.

    Democrats also think it might be easier to get both Nelson and Snowe to support the legislation than to get just one of them. If both vote “yes,” neither would risk being attacked as the critical 60th vote that allowed the legislation to pass. And if the whole thing falls apart now and Democrats are forced to regroup in January, they could need Snowe then.

    Snowe is used to being courted by Democrats and voting against her Republican colleagues. She was one of just three Republicans to support Obama’s economic stimulus bill. Already the health care legislation reflects some of Snowe’s priorities, such as a focus on small business, and a package of final amendments that Reid is expected to produce over the weekend could answer more of her concerns. Snowe said she’s not holding out for benefits to specifically help Maine.

    Democrats and the White House say they want to keep working with Snowe. Asked to comment on her, a White House spokesman provided a flattering statement that stopped short of saying he hoped for her vote. It might — or might not — be too much to hope for. “Sen. Snowe is a serious legislator who cares deeply about reforming our health insurance system,” said the statement from White House spokesman Reid Cherlin. “We’ve been working with her throughout this process, and she has contributed many significant ideas and improvements to the bill.”

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hmTSX2rTDlhdyNAayGMbOuW6ERFgD9CM16RG3

  55. confloyd says on last thread:

    December 18th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
    basil9, LOL!! She knew he was getting his ass kicked yesterday. She also knows the little SOB can’t negotiate anything because he sticks his nose high in the air and pisses everybody off. The world is on to his ass and he can’t do anything, the shine is off, the mask is off, everyone knows his a little gangsta from Chi-town. ROTFLMAO!!!

    *****************************************

    confloyd and friends…”the thrill is gone” Admin…maybe a little B B King…

    *************************************************************

    btw..every single photo of this guy actually DOES have his nose literally stuck up in the air with him sneering down…unbelieveable…

  56. Okay, there’s more to the Chinese Premier story. Earlier in the day, while Obama was speechifying, he evidently said something about “empty words on a page” that the Premier took as personal disrespect, and the Premier WALKED OUT while the boob was speaking.

    So as far as I can tell, they’d already had a one-on-one meeting scheduled, which the Premier evidently blew off after Obama insulted him. THEN the barging in episode happened. I guess the Boob just couldn’t stand that he’d been dissed by the Premier not wanting a tete a tete with his magnificence.

    Geez, I’m no diplomat, but any idiot knows that protocol and the outward trappings of respect are EXTREMELY important to the Chinese. What a blundering boob.

  57. This snow storm wasn’t supposed to be on us until late tomorrow nite into Sunday morn. Watching the Doppler, it’s a huge fast moving storm cluster packing 40 mph winds they said will precipitate huge drifting (up to 5′). The storm is edging into Delaware and S.western PA. The speed of this storm is incredible. I’m betting it will be in the North East by sunrise tomorrow morning. Fingers crossed we don’t lose our power. It’s been bitter cold (pm single digits) last few days. Frosty the Snowman would have his druthers.

  58. confloyd,

    He came across very well. Pretty much kept saying that he just wanted honest people in government and less wasteful spending.

    I think Leno was a little overwhelmed…lol…

  59. He never mentioned his text message from the WH, I bet it was a threat. He has been mum, nothing on it, we were all waiting to hear to.

  60. Okay, here’s what started the Chinese/Obama feud. Good gravy, this guy is a petulant CHILD.

    When the President, in an unyielding speech, said that without international verification “any agreement would be empty words on a page”, that was too much for Mr Wen. He left the conference in Copenhagen’s Bella Centre, returned to his hotel in the city, and responded with a direct snub of his own – he sent low-level delegates to take his place in the talks.

    A high-level source told The Independent that the US President was amazed when he found who he was negotiating with, and clearly regarded Mr Wen’s absence as a major diplomatic insult. He snapped: “It would be nice to negotiate with somebody who can make political decisions” although last night urgent diplomatic efforts were underway to try to bring the two leaders face to face for a second round of talks, to patch up the disagreement.

    So it was after all this that he found out Wen was meeting with other leaders but not him, got all PISSY, and went barging in. I’m sure Hillary is busy trying to patch up what this boob destroyed. He has no manners whatsoever, and has childish snit-fits if thwarted.

  61. confloyd
    December 18th, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    Turndown, I like this guy, obviously he isn’t bought and paid for by Soros. It leaves out speculators and market manipulators which is what Soros does.

    I like the last method, how about you?

    I was telling wbboei, that taxing us on how many miles we drive is crazy because I might drive 1 hr to work as I live in rural Texas and I would be taxed more than a person who lives in Houston who drives 5 miles to work. I say it isn’t fair that way because the person who is driving 5 miles is setting on a freeway emitting just as much carbon in an hour sitting in traffic as I do driving 40 miles to work in that very same hour, so how can that be fair??

    ========================

    I agree on all points.

    As for taxing mileage, that’s silly. They could get the same effect or better by an additional tax on gasoline.

  62. turndown, Thats what they want to do, tax mileage, that way it gets those of us in red states. The places where Hillary won and not Obama. Its all crock!

  63. Climate draft opponents try to find visibility

    Hours after President Obama jetted out of Copenhagen, delegates from poor nations are venting their anger at the climate summit’s deal — and some are finding inventive ways to get their points across.

    The draft, whose supporters even admitted it was less than they hoped, was thrashed out by Obama in a packed one-day trip along with leaders of other major nations.

    Hoping to show her disapproval, the representative of Venezuela not only raised her hand — but appeared to cut it.

    The representative, Claudia Salerno Caldera, opened a palm bearing a red stain during the 194-nation session that needs to approve the text. Venezuela — which often clashes with the United States — resented not being part of the closed-door discussions on the draft.

    “You are going to endorse this coup d’etat against the United Nations,” she said to Denmark’s sullen-faced prime minister, Lars Loekke Rasmussen, who is chair of the meeting.

    “Those of us who wish to speak have to make a point of order by cutting our hands and drawing blood,” she said.

    Elsewhere in the hall, representatives from Nicaragua didn’t settle at lifting their placards. They got up and waved their flags up and down, prompting a look of bewilderment on the part of the nearby US delegation.

    The Nicaraguans explained that they were upset at not being called on earlier and wanted to ensure that Rasmussen could see them.

    Earlier, Lumumba Stanislas Dia-ping of Sudan, chairing the Group of 77 and China bloc of 130 poor nations, strolled into a packed press room and didn’t mince words.

    “Today’s events really represent the worst developments in climate change negotiations in history,” Dia-ping said.

    But it remains to be seen whether opponents can stop the text. Obama negotiated with heavyweights from the developing world including Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

  64. It looks like Axelrod inc. has something on these two congressman that will be coming out soon. I saw on another blog that it will bring them down. Axelrod and Soros money a dreadful combo. These two guys are from Illinois, so I guess they aren’t paying the payola.

  65. Here’s the story on those two republican candidates with a whole lot more info.

    h t t p ://hillbuzz.org/2009/12/18/what-chicago-democrats-are-planning-to-do-to-out-republicans-mark-kirk-and-aaron-schock/

  66. confloyd
    December 18th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
    do any of you all know these two rethugs, Mark Kirk and Aaron Schock??
    ———————————————————————————-

    Mark Kirk is running in the Republican primary in IL. The mob banker, Giann…is running as the Democratic challenger, Hillbuzz has been saying that Kirk is a weak candidate and the dems would be letting out negative information about him. Sounds like what they did with BO’s senate challenger. Way to clear the race for the democrat to win. IL is one corrupt cesspool.

  67. birdgal, I guess we will wait and see if axelrod gets this done. Apparently one of them is really a good guy with sincere work ethic and a love for america, well that right there will make the Obamaites hate them. Its all BS. I hope we can get the mobsters out of Washington, they have never been able to get them out of Chicago. Do you think the mob connections is what is scaring folks in Washington to do what Obama wants.

    Just been reading some leftie blogs and realize what a bunch of nasty ass people they are. They are just plain mean.

  68. Fascinating! — and easy reading.

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/16/815429/-No-One-Is-Going-To-Save-You-Fools
    [….]I am your enemy. That you don’t know this is understandable: after all, people like me prefer it that way. But until you understand just what you’re up against and why, you’re going to continue to lose, and look like fools in the process.
    [….]
    [Obama has] sold you out because he’s not afraid of you. And really, if I may be so bold, he shouldn’t be afraid of you. You don’t know who really runs the show, and you’re far too fickle and manipulable to count on.
    [….]
    The problem is people like me, and the people I work for. I’m what they call a Qualitative Research Consultant, or QRC for short. Here’s my website. There’s even a whole association of us who meet regularly to discuss ideas and tactics. Together with the AAPC, the MRA, the AMA, ESOMAR, and a whole host of other organizations you’ve never heard of, we have more power and control than you know. We’re extremely good at what we do, and we do it all behind the scenes, appealing to and manipulating your subconscious brain in ways that your conscious brain has little to no control over.
    [….]

    More, and all ve-ry in-ter-es-ting.

  69. confloyd
    December 19th, 2009 at 12:37 am

    Do you think the mob connections is what is scaring folks in Washington to do what Obama wants.
    ———————————————————————————————————

    I think there is a lot of arm twisting and threats being made to make some go along with this. When I was reading an article about DeFazio from OR, he voted against Cap and Trade in the House, and was told by Obama and Rahm that they “were keeping score.” So who knows what threats and bribes people have received. This entire health insurance debacle is all about getting a “win” for Obama, and not about real health care reform. Anything that was potentially good, has been taken out or weakened so much, as to be ineffective. The middle class is really screwed with this proposed bill. Mandated coverage, higher premiums, increased co-pays and deductibles, taxes on employer provided health care coverage, stronger abortion language, all point to decreased ability of the middle class to pay for shelter, health care, college, retirement, etc. Some more people may be covered, but at what long term cost? The taxes begin immediately, benefits don’t kick in until 2014 and the subsidies are only funded for about 4-5 years, before the costs skyrocket again. This bill has no cost control mechanisms built into, which dooms it too fail.

  70. I wonder how long till the rightwingers propose that no woman who pays for an abortion with her own money can receive any food stamps, SSI disablility, tax breaks, Social Security, etc etc — lest that free up some of her own money for the abortion.

  71. confloyd @ 4:09 pm apparently there many good democrats out there, we just need to start looking
    —————————
    Apparently, Pelosi really had them hamstrung because she revealed this: Pelosi, a California Democrat and a member of her party’s liberal wing, says that when the House votes next year on an expected request for extra funding for the troop surge, she’ll be advising members to vote according to their consciences and their constituencies.
    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/12/pelosi-obama-must-make-his-case-on-afghanistan/1
    Yep, the lady from san fran will let reps vote as they see fit … regarding Afghanistan, that is.

    confloyd @ 6:31 pm CNN is trumpeting Obama as if he alone saved it.
    ——————————
    Notable on one of the evening broadcast news was an anchor saying “Obama brokered … helped broker … the deal.

  72. Climate Change Agreement ‘Noted,’ Not Yet Adopted
    The nearly 200 countries attending the Copenhagen conference agreed only to ‘take note’ of the non-binding accord negotiated by U.S. President Barack Obama, falling short of a full endorsement.
    http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/europe/19-dec09-ban-copenhagen-79713197.html

    An hour ago I heard Pat Battle of NBC NY state unequivocably that Obama brokered the deal. Combined with what I noted above it would appear that marching orders (talking points) have either not been established, or in cases are not being honored.

  73. Keith Olbermann, MSNBC: “Finally, as promised, a Special Comment on the latest version of H-R 35-90, the Senate Health Care Reform bill. To again quote Churchill after Munich, as I did six nights ago on this program: ‘I will begin by saying the most unpopular and most unwelcome thing: that we have sustained a total and unmitigated defeat, without a war.'”

  74. AL GORE labeled a LIAR

    If you would admin- please post video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AviOUd5m3QU&feature=player_embedded

    (ht/Hillbuzz)

    Per the link above, Al Gore’s been caught in lies that, we believe, could end up putting him in jail.

    (1) Gore’s lying about the emails leaked showing the Church of Global Warming’s high priests colluded to fabricate data, dump numbers that didn’t fit their predetermined curves, and generally unzipped and pissed gleefully over the scientific method. Gore says all the emails are 10 years old, when in fact the emails GO BACK a decade, and include conspiracy to commit fraud as fresh as all that “Global Warming” being dumped all over the East Coast this weekend.

    (2) Gore’s also lying about the absurd “peer review process”, where High Priests of the Church of Global Warming essentially take turns agreeing with one another, while working overtime to keep any dissenters from having their work go public to challenge the “official results”. Once again, they’re doing to the scientific method what Cubs fans do to the latrines at Wrigley on cheap beer nights. And it’s just as revolting.

    Great Merciful Zeus, Climategate is not the only big scandal in all of this…if any of you had any faith whatsoever remaining in the MSM, that should be permanently dashed now.

    It is shameful the news networks in this country and the print dailies are ignoring the biggest scandal we’ve ever seen.

    The Church of Global thinks it can survive this, but it’s wrong.

    The MSM thinks it can hide the truth, but it’s wrong too.

    We used to like Al Gore, but after all of this, we realize how wrong we were as well.

    hillbuzz.org/2009/12/19/al-gore-lied/#comments

  75. The in-depth interview related to the above video:

    Al Gore and his myopic movie “An Inconvenient Truth” was the basis for the claim: “Humans are responsible for Global Warming”- Resulting in the terror imposed on us, the world is going to melt away and we and our environment would be irreparably harmed. Al Gore is directly responsible for setting the wheels in motion to believe a fabricated lie via his dramatic movie. The movers and shakers needed dramatic visuals to bring on a crisis then the drive for a Carbon Tax on private citizens and the biggest money maker of all time for investors like George Soros, “Cap and Trade”.

    I am delighted Hillbuzz has taken the time and initiative to post the scandal of the century on her site to further educate the doubters stuck in group think. (I appreciate those of you who stepped up and spoke up in the spirit of our great leader Hillary, unafraid of speaking truth to power.)

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/climategate_this_time_al_gore_lied

  76. If there’s any basis at all for this hillbuzz nonsense, it might be that some particular emails that have been quoted were 10 years old or older. The whole collection goes back 10 or 13 years, iirc.

  77. Turndown, get over yourself- You’ve been defending a LIAR and trivializing dissent with nonsensical posts. The main reason I have not been responding to you the last few days. The fact is even I am unable to rationalize with irrational paople.

    Hillbuzz and I are just the beginning. The scandal will go Global.

  78. I thought I read somewhere that while some of the emails were quite dated, there were others that were more recent?

  79. Why Can’t Hillary Clinton Bring Israeli-Palestinian Peace?

    Prof. Barry Rubin – 12/19/2009

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gave an interview to al-Jazira television, December 10, which reminds us of something exceptionally important for any discussion of the Israel-Palestinian conflict: what her husband offered the Palestinians-the last time a comprehensive deal was proffered-and was turned down almost exactly nine years ago.

    How does Clinton explain the lack of a peace agreement? She blames it on George W. Bush:

    “I regretted that there was a lull in it after my husband left office because we were poised to make such progress, and if we had been able to get it over the goal line, there would have been a Palestinian state for nearly a decade now.””

    When her husband left office there wasn’t just a “lull.” Bill Clinton had spent two terms working hard to achieve a peace agreement and he failed because the Palestinians rejected every offer he made and then launched a massive terrorist-based war on Israel that lasted five years. The beginning of understanding the issue is to admit that the reason there hasn’t been a Palestinian state for nearly a decade is because the Palestinian leadership turned it down.

    Until that admission happens, all of this running around is a wasted effort. Besides, if it is so easy then why has the Obama Administration made zero progress. Not only, of course, has it failed even to get negotiations going–yes, it has been in power for less than a year–but there isn’t the slightest shred of evidence to believe that anything is going to change in the rest of its term.

    Even al-Jazira’s interviewer noted that regarding the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, “Everything seems to have stalled since January just before President Obama came into office.” This signals not only that the failure is obvious to everyone but also that enough time has passed that the Obama Administration must be judged on its own merits rather than blaming the current situation on its predecessor, which can be a legitimate excuse during the earlier days.

    Obviously, for an al-Jazira audience, Clinton is eager to show how supportive she is of a Palestinian state, though one that must come from bilateral negotiations with Israel:

    “I have been committed to a two-state solution, a Palestinian state for more than 10 years. I was the first person associated with any American administration who said that the Palestinians deserved and should be given their own state. So I am very committed to both the Palestinian state to fulfill the aspirations of the Palestinian people, and security for the Israelis so that they would be given the guarantee of their own future.”

    The word “deserved” here is worth noting. It implies that the Palestinians have earned a state of their own. While one can justify this on the basis of consciousness and conditions, it is ironic to think of such an idea in light of Palestinian political performance in the last sixty years which has consisted all too largely of saying “no” and a rather large element of terrorism.

    I’m making this point not to try to score points or cast aspersions but rather to highlight the reason as to why this “deserved” gift has not been bestowed, which might have happened at many points in history beginning with 1948 when the Palestinians themselves turned down the UN plan to give them a state through 2000 when the same thing happened in their rejection of what was called, ironically the Clinton Plan. That was Bill Clinton. Apparently, it was that plan to which Hillary was referring when her husband called for a Palestinian state for the first time in official U.S. policy. Incidentally, Israel did so as well, something else often forgotten or lied about.

    On December 23, 2000, the United States proposed the creation of a “non-militarized” Palestinian state on 95 percent of the West Bank, plus three percent more traded to it by Israel, plus all of the Gaza Strip, with its capital in east Jerusalem. In other words, this would have been equivalent to about 99 percent of the pre-1967 territory then ruled by Egypt and Jordan. Israel would have annexed small areas including three areas with large populations of Jewish settlers: Gush Etzion, Ma’aleh Adumim, and Ariel. All of east Jerusalem would have become Palestinian–including the al-Aqsa Mosque–except for post-1967 Jewish neighborhoods, the Western Wall, and the Jewish Quarter. Israel would have gotten an existing access road-which is about ten feet wide-to the quarter. There would be an international observer force in the Jordan Valley, along the Palestinian-Jordan border, to see that heavy arms or foreign soldiers were not being smuggled into Palestine. In addition, though this was not spelled out in the specific proposal, the level of aid and compensation to the Palestinians then being talked about by the United States was at around $21 billion.

    On December 28, 2000, the Israeli government approved of the offer with only one condition: that the Palestinians accept it, too. For the record, I supported that plan, too. Yasir Arafat turned it down. What was the most important reason he gave for doing so? That he also demanded what Palestinians call “the Right of Return.” That is, he insisted there could be no deal unless all Palestinian refugees who so wished to go and live in Israel. He also rejected the observer force and demanded control of the entire Western Wall, the remnant of the Jewish Temple.

    And yet there are those who say that Israel doesn’t want peace and never made the Palestinians a good offer. Many of them might add the claim that the United States had never done so either.

    Let’s examine the implications of this proposed solution. If Arafat had accepted the deal, there would now have been a Palestinian state for many years. All those who died or were wounded since then would be whole. Hamas would not have taken over the Gaza Strip. The Palestinians would have roughly $40,000 for each child, woman, and man to spend or misspend.

    Why was this offer turned down? Because it would have given up one percent of the land claimed? Because the Palestinians so want the Jewish Quarter and the Western Wall? Because they would rather not have a state if they couldn’t have an air force and tanks? Or for some other minor reason of detail? Is this a credible argument?

    Arafat could have expressed his eagerness for the deal but offered something in order to get something else he wanted. Also, in the ordinary way international affairs works, the Palestinians were not bargaining from a position of strength. They could only get everything they wanted by deciding that they’d prefer to fight on for decades and sustain many losses rather than make the tiniest compromise.

    But, of course, the real reason was, as explained by Faruq Qaddumi, the PLO and Fatah’s second most powerful man, on November 25, 2000 in the official Palestinian Authority newspaper, al-Hayat al-Jadida: “We are adopting the strategy of the Vietnamese who negotiated and fought the Americans at the same time until [they] defeated them.”

    This was a revealing precedent to choose. The Vietnamese revolutionaries had taken control over part of the country and then used it to wage a war that won them the rest. Finally, they maneuvered the United States into an unconditional withdrawal through a campaign combining armed force, international pressure, and domestic dissent. Finally, they violated their agreements to seize the entire country.

    As for the Right of Return demand, it was in line with something Qaddumi had said in March 2002: “The Right of Return of the refugees to Haifa and Jaffa is more important than statehood.” No one ever remarks on the absurdity of supposed Palestinian nationalists wanting to export people who could be used to build a strong and stable state of their own. Admitting one or two or three million Palestinians into Israel would, of course, lead to violence, bloodshed, chaos, and the collapse of Israel. That was, after all the intention.

    Gaining total victory and destroying Israel was more important than getting a Palestinian state, ending the “occupation” and all the real or alleged terrible suffering of Palestinians we constantly hear about. So it was, so it remains.

    And that is why all of Hillary Clinton’s commitment to a Palestinian state will not bring about a diplomatic solution. She wants it, Israel wants it, and the Palestinian leadership doesn’t want it.

    Many people will try to make that last paragraph sound ridiculous. It certainly doesn’t seem to accord with common sense, does it? And yet that is what history and the evidence shows. Given that proposition, everything that has happened and is happening makes sense. Without it, even incredible contortions and distortions of fact still cannot account for the facts. Can anyone honestly examine what the United States and Israel offered the Palestinian Authority nine years ago and not conclude that the narrative blaming Israel–and often the United States–for the continuation of the conflict is nonsense? No. And that’s why it isn’t talked about very much.

    Yet how can there be any discussion of these issues without noting what President Bill Clinton and Israel offered the Palestinians nine years ago, why this offer was rejected, and what it should teach everyone?
    Failing to see who is at fault for the persistent failures, which really go back more than thirty years, after all, is the fatal flaw of Western policy on Arab-Israeli and Israeli-Palestinian conflicts. Until this is remedied, no one should be surprised that there won’t be any peace and very little progress.

    Prof. Barry Rubin is director of the Global Research in International Affairs (GLORIA) Center, Interdisciplinary university

    http://globalpolitician.com/26102-israel-palestine-peace-process

  80. Nelson caved on HCR. Said he secured ‘benefits’ for his state.

    The boob wins.

    Just when I though divine intervention in the form of what might be the largest snowstorm in Washington DC history might save us.

    :shaking head in disgust:

  81. In the aftermath of Copenhagen there are three unanswered questions:

    1. Is there global warming?

    2. Is it caused by humans?

    3. Does the focus on global warming distract us from environmental problems which are supported by credible evidence?

  82. basil,

    Corruption breeds corruption. Bambi is the teacher and the lessons are being taught well. The 30 pieces of silver aka “Judas betrayal of the common folk” is alive and well and growing leaps and bounds. The pork is oozing with fat and the members can no longer look at themselves in the mirror without cringing.

  83. #
    JanH
    December 19th, 2009 at 8:40 am

    I thought I read somewhere that while some of the emails were quite dated, there were others that were more recent?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Jan, the e-mails showing the recalibration were within a span of 10 yrs. from the 90s to 2000s.

    One good summary which is suggesting that the CRU scientists tried to eliminate inconvenient “blips” in the data; complained about by journalists, specifically Andrew Revkin of The New York Times, who were “not as predictable as we’d like”; and mused about ways to make sure the grant money from green-friendly corporations kept coming (while complaining about companies that funded alternative viewpoints). .

    Perhaps the most damning email threads describe the lengths to which the CRU crew went to silence debate. Pajamas Media has done a great job compiling messages along these lines. The PJM articles include: Charlie Martin on how the men violated the social contract of science; Rand Simberg on scientists as politicians; and Christopher Monckton, a British lord who gave an incredibly informative and entertaining talk this summer at a Georgia Public Policy Foundation event, and whose offer to debate Al Gore on the science of global warming has gone unaccepted, and why the CRU scientists are criminals.

    A longtime thorn in the side of the AGW crowd, Steve McIntyre, hosts several discussion threads on some of the implications of the emails, including some back-and-forth about computer coding that I frankly do not understand in the least myself.

    This undoubtedly won’t end the debate about global warming, but then again the only people who were trying all along to end the debate were the AGW crowd. What it ought to do, though, is provide real impetus for these supposed scientists to follow the normal procedures of science — including revealing their data so that others can test their hypotheses, a staple of scientific research that the CRU crew had until now avoided with all their might.

    I’ve provided a graph (at link) depicting the rise in global temperature is only evident in the 10 yr span spoken of in hacked e-mails. Otherwise the graph itself is static irregardless of the fluctuations of CO2 emissions.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/17/lord-monckton-reports-on-pachauris-eye-opening-copenhagen-presentation/

  84. wbboei
    December 19th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    The Copenhagen Summit was an abject failure and a waste of time. It never addressed the issues people are rightly concerned about… CLEAN AIR and CLEAN WATER. The only issues discussed at the summit was how much money each country was going to bring to the table and signing a declaration for a commitment contract.

  85. I hope the Republicans do what they promised and turn this health care scam into a holy war. I hope they give these bastards what they deserve: ByrdLock.

    ByrdLock can provide the Senate with some understanding of what they are voting on and its economic, political and medical on the American Peoople. ByrdLock can expose the Rezko style sell out which Obama is attempting to perpetrate. (Note: Obama is a composite of two people: Wright and Rezko.) ByrdLock can give the hard left the opportunity to mobilize–but for us that will always be an uneasy and uncertain ad hoc alliance).

    The net effect of ByrdLock is to turn up the heat on our Congressional representatives who took an oath to support their constituents and the Constitution and then proceed to sell them down the river for thirty pieces of silver. What is to be the price of their treason?

    Yes, the word treason has crept into my vocabulary of late and I do not know whether I like to characterize them quite that way or not. But I must tell you this much: as I watch these people who took an oath to support the Constitution slither on their bellies like snakes in this Satanic Ritual there is no other word to describe it. They are spineless as well, but it goes much further than that.

  86. PLEASE MAKE THIS GO VIRAL:

    I yelled about this on some blogs awhile back – that part of the healthcare plan was a massive POWER GRAB by the Executive branch, to take Medicare out from under the control of Congress, all the better to, in effect, dismantle it. They got tired of trying to do it legislatively, so are doing an end run.

    Some on the TeaParty Right pointed it out, but because they framed it in “death panel” language, the Left reflexively poo-pooed it without bothering to look and see if there was a grain of truth in it. (See how the bastards play our ideologies against each other, to raise a covering dust storm over what they are really doing?)

    One of the most draconian measures is in the Senate bill – and from I’ve been reading, it was apparently inserted at the behest of the White House. It would set up a permanent, unelected “Fed for Medicare” board to independently institute further Medicare cuts. These cuts could not be blocked – only tinkered with (i.e. reallocating what specific services are targeted for cutting) – by Congress. If a “tinkering” bill is not passed and signed by the President, the cuts mandated by the board go into effect automatically. And after 2020 Congress loses the power to even tinker with the cuts.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/kausfiles/archive/2009/11/19/does-harry-reid-s-health-care-bill-create-a-fed-for-medicare.aspx

    See pages 1000-1053 of the bill.

    In addition, Senators Lieberman, Whitehouse, Rockefeller, and Bingaman are planning to offer an amendment that would even further “strengthen” the “Fed for Medicare” provisions for future Medicare cuts.

    Such an unelected board, to cut Medicare, has been a wet dream on the Right and among Corporatists for decades. And we’re handing it to them on a silver platter (apparently with little awareness on the Left).

  87. Over thirty years ago, I worked on a shareholder derivative suit which was launched against our company. The allegation was that we had failed to disclose material information to shareholders in our quarterly report to shareholders, and had we done so they would have sold their shares and avoided the resulting losses. (Note: that company is gone, the principals are dead so I can talk about it freely to illustrate a larger point).

    We had credible–or at least colorable defenses which I will not bore you with. We hired White and Case which was and still is a white shoe Wall Street firm. The plaintiff hired a pair of sharks who were part of what they now call boutique law firms, which we used to call ambulance chasers. After months of discovery we settled the case for the princely sum of $30,000 which even in those days was nothing. But our attorney fees ran $300,000 which were paid in whole or in part by the directors and officers liability policy.

    How could we have spent $300,000 on attorney fees for a case that settled for one tenth of that amount? The answer was good lawyering. The true test is not what we settled for but what we could have been stuck with but for good lawyering. From the plaintiffs perspective the test is not what he achieved but what he could have achieved. He got some money from us–its true. And, in a way he vindicated a moral principle although the settlement agreement read the same way they always do: this is not an admission of liability, etc. But in the grand scheme of things, the plaintiff did not achieve what he sought to achieve, ergo his effort was a failure.

    I say Bambi failed in Copenhagen for the same reason. I read the tripe by NYT and AP lauding this historic agreement and hiding the anger arrogance walkout offense taken by china disappointment of third world nations and I thing to myself that is so reminiscent of that $30,000 settlement. I have not had the stomach to study the agreement but is looks like it is non binding, lacks an enforcement mechanism and is essentially the sleeves off our vest. The accounts we see in the British Press rebut the parcel of lies by the NYT and AP.

    If you compare what could have come out of Copenhagen with what did the contrast is stark. It was a failure writ large. And even though I applaud that failure, it was a test of Bambis leadership and it was his personal failure dressed up to look like something it was not. On the issue of whether he stormed into the meeting and got an agreement or asked to come in I prefer to believe the politico account which is the latter because if it was a lie concocted by his administration (aka campaign) to promote the total fiction that he is a take charge leader then it is contemporaneous evidence that big media cannot be trusted on anything they tell us.

    I can assure you of one thing: Soros failed to achieve his objective which I have written about before. The minimalist agreement achieved was not the most favored result, or an acceptable result, but merely the stark alternative to failure. The crowning glory was the self serving pronouncement by the Mass jackass John Kerry that he would take up the cudgel and push cap and trade through the Senate. That bill needs ByrdLock as well.

  88. Re: my post above: The thing that pisses me off about this is that because the alarm over it was raised by some right-winger citizens, the left just reflexively ignores.

    That’s their game, people. WAKE UP! We all need to start looking with a skeptical eye at BOTH sides of the political machine, and not just have knee-jerk reactions based on the source of the info. Both sides are in it together to screw over the People, and we need to realize that while the GOP machine itself is an enemy, our right-leaning friends and neighbors are not.

    I could say the same thing to conservative voters. STOP reacting based on whether there is a D or R label on the TRUTH, and look behind the curtain. They are PLAYING US.

  89. Climate deal passed amid condemnation, disappointment

    By Richard Ingham

    COPENHAGEN — A UN conference on Saturday rammed through a battle plan against climate change forged by US President Barack Obama and other top leaders, sidelining smaller states which lashed the deal as betrayal.

    After toxic exchanges, the summit chair forced through a deal using an unusual procedural tool that effectively dropped all obstacles to the new-born Copenhagen Accord.

    UN chief General Ban Ki-moon admitted the agreement had failed to win global consensus and would disappoint many who demanded stronger action against climate change but voiced relief it had not been strangled at birth. “Many will say that it lacks ambition,” Ban said. “Nonetheless, you have achieved much.”

    Obama earlier called the political accord an “unprecedented breakthrough” after meetings with about two dozen presidents and prime ministers in Copenhagen.

    The agreement was assembled in a frenzied game of climate poker among the leaders of the United States, China, India, Brazil and South Africa and major European countries. The group had been chosen by conference chair Denmark after it became clear the summit was in danger of catastrophic failure. But the deal was savaged when it was put to a full session of the 194-nation UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC).

    Half a dozen developing countries led the charge, blasting the document as a cosy backdoor deal that violated UN democracy, excluded the poor and doomed the world to disastrous climate change. “It looks like we are being offered 30 pieces of silver to betray our people and our future,” said Ian Fry of Tuvalu, a tiny Pacific island whose very existence is threatened by rising seas.

    The draft is intended to be the kernel of a strategy to slash the fossil-fuel emissions that trap the Sun’s heat and are warming Earth’s surface, slowly but ruthlessly damaging our weather systems. It set a commitment to limit global warming to two degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit), but did not spell out the important stepping stones — global emissions targets for 2020 or 2050 — for getting there.

    It did not identify a year by which emissions should peak, a demand made by rich countries that was fiercely opposed by China. And, under it, pledges are voluntary and free from tough compliance provisions to ensure they are honoured.

    China had bristled at anything called “verification” of its plan to cut the intensity of its carbon emissions, seeing it as an infringement of sovereignty and saying rich nations bore primary responsibility for global warming.

    Rich countries pledged 30 billion dollars in “fast-track” finance for the 2010-2012 period, including 11 billion from Japan, 10.6 billion from the European Union and 3.6 billion dollars from the United States. They set an ambitious goal of “jointly mobilising” 100 billion dollars by 2020. But to make the “fast-track” funds operational, the accord needed plenary approval. Countries were invited to sign up to the deal.

    The UN’s climate pointman Yvo de Boer denied the 13-day conference had been a complete failure but admitted it had not lived up to expectations. “A great deal of energy was invested, a great deal was within our grasp, we managed to capture a certain degree of success but we should be conscious of the huge challenge that lies ahead of us,” he told a closing press briefing.

    More than 130 leaders attended the outcome, “the biggest meeting of heads of state and government in the history of the United Nations and possibly in history,” said UNFCCC Information Officer John Hay.

    The goal is to complete a signable treaty in Mexico City in December 2010 and have it take effect from 2013, after the current roster of pledges under the UN’s Kyoto Protocol expire.

    The outcome in Copenhagen will deliver a boost to Obama’s efforts to secure legislation in the US Congress that would set his country on a path to lower emissions by around 17 percent by 2020 over a 2005 benchmark. He described the deal as a “meaningful and unprecedented breakthrough.”

    “Going forward, we are going to have to build on the momentum we have achieved here in Copenhagen. We have come a long way but we have much further to go,” he added.

    More than 130 heads of state and government attended the outcome.
    “This was the biggest meeting of heads of state and government in the history of the United Nations and possibly in history,” said UNFCCC Information Officer John Hay. “It’s the first time that heads of state and government have got involved in drafting text.”

    The Copenhagen Accord was met with dismay by campaigners, who said it was weak, non-binding and sold out the poor.

    “Well-meant but half-hearted pledges to protect our planet from dangerous climate change are simply not sufficient to address a crisis that calls for completely new ways of collaboration across rich and poor countries,” said Kim Carstensen, leader of WWF?s Global Climate Initiative.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hDjmS5CbuR4QsG5I1-xJtzP7rsYg

  90. he question of whether we live in a country ruled by leaders who refuse to listen, but do what they believe is in their own interest, has been answered.

    Conservatives hate this bill. Progressives and liberals hate it too. The public is solidly against it.

    But it does not matter, apparently. The implications of a country in open revolt against this bill and the elite in the Democratic party giving the public the finger are profound.

    The Daily Kos and FireDogLakes of the net could not produce a single Democratic Senator or Independent to vote no. Conservatives could not produce a single Democratic Senate vote against cloture. Neither could the general public. Perhaps the left can still get one of their own to kill this nightmare. Is there not a single Dem Senator who will stand with the public, or is this merely a quaint notion we used to have about our country — that the system responds to the public?

    The Democrats must have 60 votes to amend this bill, then 60 votes to defeat the filibuster. They say they have them — we will see.

    Senator Nelson, according to a senior Senate staffer, got a huge appropriation for Nebraska — and a state opt-out for abortion funding, as in states can opt-out. Another Democratic Senator bought off with money we are printing to pay our bills.

    The world will understand America has changed. Our country is now run by elites who are printing money, debasing our currency to throw at massive new spending and deficit creating programs — and actually believe they are both moral and politically smart. Just 19% of the public believes this plan will not increase the deficit.

    What comes next is very discomforting to think about. But we have now crossed that line from what our country was into something else, and that something else has nothing whatsoever with the country being a Republic. There will be a reckoning for this, and it will not be pleasant — not for anyone.

  91. Wbboei,

    Great analogy at 11:17.

    H4T, I agree. We are being screwed by all sides. The idea of taking $500 million FROM medicare while simultaneously adding 30 million people To medicare is so preposterous even a 2 year old could understand it.
    WTF is wrong with this country?

    Jan, agreed the 30 pieces of silver have turned into 3 trillion.

  92. wbboei: eloquent tragic synopsis.
    Pelosi is not shy about her values; she’s going to let House members decide how they want to vote on Afghanistan funding – the surge, I think.

  93. I was not holding my breath for Sen Nelson to filibuster the most important bill the dems wanted passed in decades. The fact that we saw in public, the way politician’s sellout their so -called principles for a few sheckles, only reinforces the idea that they are all bought and paid for. e’ll have to wait and see if ultimately this helps or hurts many of them in 2010 elections .

  94. Appropos of the current malaise, some quotations from Alexis de Tocqueville

    1. The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.

    2. Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.

    3. In the United States, the majority undertakes to supply a multitude of ready-made opinions for the use of individuals, who are thus relieved from the necessity of forming opinions of their own.

    4. The power of the periodical press is second only to that of the people.

    5. What is most important for democracy is not that great fortunes should not exist, but that great fortunes should not remain in the same hands. In that way there are rich men, but they do not form a class. Rockefeller?)

    6. When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.

  95. I was not holding my breath for Sen Nelson to filibuster the most important bill the dems wanted passed in decades. The fact that we saw in public, the way politician’s sellout their so -called principles for a few sheckles, only reinforces the idea that they are all bought and paid for. e’ll have to wait and see if ultimately this helps or hurts many of them in 2010 elections .
    —————————
    He was vulnerable to begin with. I doubt this will help him. The man is devoid of principle.

  96. wbboei
    December 19th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    In the aftermath of Copenhagen there are three unanswered questions:

    1. Is there global warming?

    2. Is it caused by humans?

    3. Does the focus on global warming distract us from environmental problems which are supported by credible evidence?

    ======================

    As to 3, probably that is why so many bigwigs are focusing on it — also it supports the Cap and Trade thing which will be a playground for speculators. See Confloyd’s good post yesterday which I pruned.

    Someone posted that Gore was telling some groups that even if they didn’t accept global warming, the same actions (eg limiting auto emissions) would be good in other ways (eg healthier, and for green jobs, eg cars the rest of the world might buy from us). Iirc.

    That seems to me a good idea. Choose the action that will have considerable benefits in several directions, regardless of which theories turn out true.

    B

  97. wbboei,

    Btw, I”m sure you dind’t mean to imply that the Copenhagen event produced any answers to the questions of fact 1 and 2.

  98. I must go now, but it’s highly unlikely that anyone would lie by saying ALL the emails were ten years old, which is so easily disproved.

  99. Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.
    Alexis de Tocqueville

  100. Dear Senator Nelson:

    Many years ago, John Kennedy wrote a book called Profiles in Courage. He was assisted in that endeavor by his speech writer Theodore Sorenson. The book is a tribute to those political leaders who stood up against their party and did what is right for the American People. At times, they paid for it with their careers. But they are the ones who made this country great.

    History is replete with the other kind of politician. The kind who trades principle for expediency. I will not comment on your decision to support this health care bill except to say that it is a Rezko type of arrangement. The reason I say that is because it was connived in secret, rewards big business and is highly prejudicial to the American People.

    I understand you were under pressure to cave and cave you did. Millions of Americans will feel the effect of your actions in the years to come. Yes, others folded as well, but you were the 60th vote. Unlike the political leaders Kennedy wrote about, you were faced with a fateful decision and you succumbed.

    There may be some short term political advantage for you and some short term economic advantage to your state in terms of the avoidance of threats and the the receipt of taxpayer monies. But that is always the excuse and here is a fig leaf. To many of us it is symptomatic of a perverse trend of politicians who put their own survival before that of the country.

    <ake no mistake, your surrender of principle has megapolitical consequences. It fundamentally change the nature of our government. There are even those who say your vote caused us to lose our republic. Their reaction is supported by three truisms which where first noted by Alexis de Tocqueville when he came to this country in the 1840s.

    1. The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money

    2. Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.

    3. What is most important for democracy is not that great fortunes should not exist, but that great fortunes should not remain in the same hands. In that way there are rich men, but they do not form a class.

    With Profound Disappointmemt

    xxxxxxxxxxx

  101. According to FoxNews, Pooplosi is promising no new spending bill in 2010. So I wish I knew if that means crap and trade. Its not new, but I also hear she’s is letting her Congressman vote their constituencies and their conscious. Well, there’s something in these statements, I suspect she is trying to save her own ass as her constituents are mad as hell. We will see if they are that stupid (which they are) to forgive her. I was reading over at TM and that is exactly what they are saying they forgive to easily.

    I think their deal to get power from the power brokers were paid back yesterday in Copenhagen and will be finished off when HC is passed at 1am on Monday morning, so now I think we see a different congress.

    Folks our government has sold us down the river and don’t kid yourselves both sides are in it. I just wish I knew how our shero Hillary fits into the whole deal. She was the snag in 07 and 08, but they silenced her and when they were able to do that they metaphorically put the handcuffs/ball&chain on us.

    Folks, the tea parties need to be bigger and we MUST NOT let the wrong politicians claim to be teabaggers, this time we must be very, very careful. The R’s are in this up to their neck, its all show, as I watched Mitch McConnell this morning, I believe he is playing the game.

    Also yesterday as President Obama was sitting next to Medevev and talking about arms controls our usurper looked up and to the left, a sign of LYING. My daughter told me that and Pooplosi does it all the time.

  102. Apparently, there is a new book out on WJC. Its being talked about by Polico. Its totally disgusting as it now again has statement about Monica. Maybe this is the smoking gun? These rethugs had her first four years plotted with book after book about Bill. See why I hate Rethugs, they are just all criminals.

  103. Obama Talks About The Bribes Obama Talks About a Step Forward on the Crown Jewel of Socialism

    We are currently in this position right now, not only because of Barack Obama, but because of the absolute dumb*sses that walked into a voting booth and voted for these fools. I couldn’t be more disappointed with the American electorate..

    (wherever you can admin, please post video)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ACYpM1Bi8g&feature=player_embedded

    It’s frustrating to sit around and wait for the people in the middle who are still in coma to wake up to what the left is doing to this country. I wonder how many people walking into a shopping mall today could tell you what 60 votes on cloture means? There is our problem…

    I have great hopes for this country, then I am continually reminded of the short term memory of the American people and the ease at which the electorate can be deceived…

    (ht/ HotAirPundit )

  104. The wisdom of de Tocquiville

    The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money

    Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.

    What is most important for democracy is not that great fortunes should not exist, but that great fortunes should not remain in the same hands. In that way there are rich men, but they do not form a class.

  105. Smart money is on Hillary Clinton for 2016: Hillary Clinton was written off as a failed presidential candidate who would never have another run at the White House. Not any more, writes Toby Harnden in Washington.

    Toby Harnden
    19 December 2009

    Driving past the White House the other day, my eye was caught by the bumper sticker on the shiny black Toyota Prius in front of me. It read: “We love you Hillary – Clinton for President, 2016”.

    A year ago, I’d have snorted at the slogan and kept my distance from the vehicle – judging the driver to be a delusional Clintonite diehard still desperately fighting the reality that the former First Lady’s presidential aspirations were history.

    Now, the person behind that wheel seems to be on the money. Having elected Barack Obama amid near national euphoria, America is experiencing something akin to buyer’s remorse.

    Obama’s popularity is the lowest of any American president at the end of his first year in office since polling began. Yet as his approval ratings have nose-dived, those of his Secretary of State have curved elegantly upwards.

    A recent poll by the Clarus Research Group found that Hillary Clinton had a 75 per cent approval rating compared to 51 per cent for the man who defeated her in their epic battle for the Democratic nomination.

    These are very early days to handicap 2016 but it’s already clear that she has gone from being the supposedly inevitable 2008 nominee who had blown her one big chance as odds-on favourite to be the next Democratic president.

    When Mrs Clinton accepted the job of Secretary of State many of her supporters feared she was falling into a trap. Fearing that she could be a rival source of power from Capitol Hill, Obama calculated she would be less of a threat if he brought her inside his tent.

    The downsides for the former First Lady were obvious. She would give up her cherished seat as Senator for New York, which gave her an independent power base. Her voice on domestic policy would be silenced. And her fortunes would inevitably be linked to the man whom she fervently believed was not up to the top job.

    It is a sign of Mrs Clinton’s astuteness that she said yes and now finds herself ideally placed to succeed Mr Obama or, in the increasingly plausible scenario that he becomes a one-term president, the Republican who ousts him in 2012.

    During the past year, Mrs Clinton has done just what she did when she entered the Senate in 2001 – knuckled down to the hard grind of policy while building relationships with wary sceptics.

    The woman who was one of the most polarising figures in American politics now has a glowing 65 per cent approval rating among Independents and healthy 57 per cent among Republicans. Even sworn enemies on the Right marvelled at her toughness in refusing to concede to Obama until the bitter end in the summer of 2008 and now view her as more hawkish than the president.

    Mrs Clinton, moreover, has lived in Arkansas and won over conservatives in upstate New York as well as trouncing Obama in states like West Virginia and Pennsylvania – establishing a connection with Middle America that has eluded the president.

    Though Obama trumpeted the notion that he was appointing a “team of rivals” to his Cabinet, Mrs Clinton has been instrumental in making his foreign policy team one of the most harmonious in memory by striking up a firm friendship with Robert Gates, the canny Defence Secretary chief held over from the Bush administration.

    In the eight administrations Gates has served in, no two Pentagon and State Department heads have been as close. After the poisonous relations between advisers to Donald Rumsfeld and Colin Powell, it is a startling turnaround. The alliance between Clinton and Gates – who both argued for a robust troop increase from the outset – helped to stiffen Obama’s spine over Afghanistan.

    Mrs Clinton can afford to be assiduously loyal because her critique of Obama – “a lot of talk, no action” is how she acidly described him in March last year – is already out there and increasingly resonant. She now has unassailable credentials in the one area where she appeared weak in 2008 – foreign policy.

    She has been able to stay out of the contentious debates over health care, Wall Street bailouts and the spiraling deficit while her husband, confounding many, has been a low-key apparent model of propriety since she took over at Foggy Bottom.

    Two months ago, Mrs Clinton answered, straight-faced, with a flat “no” when asked if she would ever run for president again, even adding that “it never crosses my mind”.

    Perhaps that patently implausible denial was the surest indication of all that Mrs Clinton is better placed than ever to become America’s first female president – and she knows it.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6844535/Smart-money-is-on-Hillary-Clinton-for-2016.html

  106. For those obsessed with Soros a ‘smoking gun’?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6845686/Copenhagen-accord-keeps-Big-Carbon-in-business.html

    Copenhagen accord keeps Big Carbon in business
    By Christopher Booker

    As fairy-tale snow gently descended on Copenhagen, the great global warming conference degenerated through pantomime, boredom, chaos and anger to its entirely predictable conclusion – a colossal pile of fudge with a very hard and nasty rock hidden at its centre. The “world summit” on climate change was never really going to be about saving the world from global warming at all. Even if the delegates had got all they wanted, it would no more have had any influence on emissions of CO2 – let alone on the world’s climate – than the 1997 Kyoto Protocol before it.
    As was argued in 1997 by Tom Wigley, one of Al Gore’s trusted allies and formerly head of the East Anglia Climatic Research Unit, or CRU (recently at the centre of the Climategate scandal over rigged temperature data), even if the world had implemented Kyoto to the full, it would only have delayed global warming by six years. In fact, as was revealed last summer by the German renewable energy institute IWR, CO2 emissions are now 40 per cent above their level in 1990, the baseline Kyoto was meant to return them to.
    Copenhagen was not about global warming but money. The cash that Hillary Clinton so dramatically plonked on the table, rising to $100 billion by 2020, which includes the £1.5 billion offered by Gordon Brown (money which of course he hasn’t got) and which like a crazed gambler he last week upped to £6 billion (even more money he hasn’t got), was merely a “sweetener” to persuade the developing countries to maintain the money-machine set in motion by Kyoto.
    This is the new global industry based on buying and selling the right to emit CO2, estimated soon to be worth trillions of dollars a year, which through schemes such as the UN’s Clean Development Mechanism and the EU’s Emissions Trading System is making a small minority of people, including Al Gore, extremely rich.
    The only really concrete achievement of Copenhagen was to win agreement to the perpetuating of those Kyoto rules that have created this vast industry, which has two main beneficiaries. On one hand are that small number of people in China and India who have learnt how to work this system to their huge advantage. On the other are all those Western entrepreneurs who have piled into what has become the fastest growing commodity market in the world.
    The part played at Copenhagen by all the tree-huggers, abetted by the BBC and their media allies, was to keep hysteria over warming at fever pitch while the politicians haggled over the real prize, to keep the Kyoto system in place.
    The only tree they were concerned with hugging was the money tree and all the vast political apparatus that now supports it, allowing governments to tax and regulate us into handing over ever more of our money, largely without realising it, every time we drive a car, fly in a plane, pay our electricity bill or carry out any of a vast range of activities that involve the emission of CO2. Compared with these sums, even the billions we all unwittingly spend on subsidies to the developers of useless wind turbines are chicken feed.
    It was timely that while the gabfest and the backstairs haggling were continuing in that dreary concrete shed, further shocking evidence should have been released to show how the Met Office’s Hadley Centre and the CRU have been rigging the most important of all the four official global temperature records. HadCRUT, as it is called, constructed by Hadley and the CRU from raw data supplied from weather stations all over the globe, is relied on by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) as the most prestigious temperature record we have.
    What was released last week from Russia was evidence that the stars of Climategate have been cherry-picking the temperature data they receive from Russia, to use only the 25 per cent of the data that makes for a warming trend. Put it together with all the data they have suppressed and what emerges is a trend over the past 80 years that remains flat, showing no net warming at all. Yet this is the most oft-cited of all the temperature records on which the whole global warming scare of recent decades has been built.
    Naturally none of this was allowed to percolate the discussions in Copenhagen where, behind all the playacting and flim-flam of the stage army of activists (most of them subsidised by the world’s taxpayers), the only real concern was to maintain the greatest financial scam the world has ever seen.

  107. Hillary Clinton to visit NZ

    Sunday Dec 20, 2009

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is expected in New Zealand next month. Her visit has been an open secret in Washington political circles since being flagged by a senior official from the Obama administration at the United States-New Zealand Partnership Forum in October.

    The Herald on Sunday understands Clinton’s trip is pencilled in for the week starting January 11 and will involve two days of official engagements and meetings. She is also expected to visit Australia.

    Her arrival should create a mini-boom for one lucky hotel – the Secretary of State traditionally travels with an army of hundreds of administrative and security personnel.

    When Clinton visited Kenya in August, her entourage booked the entire 376-room Intercontinental Hotel in Nairobi.

    Official word on the visit isn’t expected until the new year. When former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice came to New Zealand last year, her visit was confirmed only a week before her arrival. A spokesman for Foreign Affairs Minister Murray McCully said: “We’re not saying anything about her visit at the moment.”
    The spokesman said that was at the behest of Washington: “The Americans like to play things in a very low-key way.”

    A press officer at the State department in Washington said: “The only time we discuss the Secretary’s trip is when we make an announcement – and we haven’t yet.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10616614

  108. I see Lewisnsky is releasing a book and has some very bad things to say about Bill…I think the book is about a decade too late, but I’m sure it will get some play when she does he media rounds.

  109. confloyd and jbstonesfan, It’s a book by a college law professor and it’s about impeachment. It’s not by Monica; she supplied a written statement to the author saying Bill wasn’t truthful when he testified (and her statement sounds very legalistic. I actually had trouble figuring out hat she was saying). Bill also spoke to the author as well.

    The media’s blowing this all out of proportion by screaming, “Monica is back!” as if she were giving a scathing interview to People magazine or something.

  110. It a rehash of the past. Quite a few newsgroups have dismissed this tabloid book for what it is. Politico on the other hand is milking it as much as they can.

  111. The 2016 scenario is ridiculous. It is promoted by the White House. The smart money had Hillary as the candidate in 2008 lest we forget. If it is going to happen at all it will happen in 2012.

  112. As I look ahead, I see a public increasingly disenchanted with two parties who survive by looting the middle class. That situation is unlikely to improve and the jobs program will be essentially an exercise in government jobs and featherbedding. There needs to be one party that represents the American People instead of two parties who systematically loot its coffers, and destroy personal freedom and liberty. A party that does the bidding of the American People as opposed to global elites.

  113. Kay
    December 19th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Thanks for posting Chris Booker’s article. The word is slowly leaking out now that Copenhagen is another one of Obama’s failures.

    The Global Warming debacle is very soon going to be the “scam” heard round the world.

  114. Saturday, December 19, 2009

    Nelson Caves. So Will American Medicine Unless A Different Democratic Senator Steps Up Or Three House Democrats Change Their Votes.

    (ht/Hugh Hewitt)

    According to the Washington Post, Nebraska’s Senator Ben Nelson has caved to Democratic pressure and will provide the 60th vote Harry Reid needs to pass the Senate’s American-medicine-and-Medicare-destroying version of Obamacare. There is still a chance some other Senate Democrat will refuse to take American medicine over the cliff, but at this point it looks like Obamacare passes the Senate on Christmas eve.

    The only good thing this does is demonstrate the D.C. Democrats’ contempt for their “netroots” which are as against the bill as the center and the right. This is a Chicago-machine political bailout, the least common denominator bill that can provide President Obama with a ridiculous claim to having accomplished something, anything, in his first, greatly disappointing year in office.

    Still, the Senate may spit in the eye of the country. Whether House Democrats decide to go along over the cliff remains to be seen. Passage of the Senate bill will doom Blanche Lincoln and maybe Evan Bayh, but too many Democrats are too far away from re-election days. When the next vote comes to the House, it will be about 42 weeks before November 2. Between now and then those House members have to hear from their voters and have to see the cash piling up in the GOP coffers.

    Before you head out to go about Christmas reveling, contact your Congressman and your two senators.

    And please contact the National Republican Congressional Committee’s ReverseTheVote.org fund that is aimed directly at the 24 House Democrats who voted for Obamacare but who are vulnerable to a well-funded GOP challenger next fall. Call it a Christmas present to yourself.

    If three of these 24 flip, Obamacare dies short of the finish line.

  115. wbboei
    December 19th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
    The 2016 scenario is ridiculous.

    ————–
    Yep. And I think as the time goes on and bambi’s ratings sink even more, the rumors and speculation about Hillary are going to run rampant. The question for me is…what will the dims do about it.

  116. MICHELLE: AMERICA CHANGES TRADITIONS, HISTORY?

    yes, Michelle, America needs to make more sacrifices. How about you go first? Fire the 32 attendants you need to look the way you do and eliminate the Wednesday night parties and excessive extravagances like having pizza flown into the WH from your favorite pizza shop in Chicago.

    Saturday, December 19, 2009

    “Barack knows that we are going to have to make sacrifices; we are going to have to change our conversation; we’re going to have to change our traditions, our history; we’re going to have to move into a different place as a nation.”

    . . .conversation ?. . .traditions ?. . .history ?. . .move into a different place ?. .

    Could that different place be Islam World Rule socialism? The data is pretty much right there in our laps, people.

    That is the Queen Bee in the White House giving forth in-your-face. Did you get the gist? No qualifications. No apologies for blunt verbiage. Just right there in plain English.

    In other words, the twenty years of hellish brainwashing by cultist Jeremiah Wright is very much thickened to Michelle’s brain crust.

    So, brace yourself, America: Out with Christian heritage and In with Muslim total.

    Out with “white values” and In with whitey-take-a-hike.

    Out with instructing next generations the truth about George Washington and Abraham Lincoln and In with “Damn America” and its factual history.

    Where did Ms. M get the clout to remake America’s history and traditions? And where did Marxist Muslim Barack Hussein Obama? Remember her opening line: “Barack knows that. . .”

    They conclude they got the power from mob hysteriacs who teary-eyed them onto Pennsylvania Avenue. That inauguration day glow still rests upon their despotic heads.

    The only way that their damnable change traditions and history is going to be nullified is for Americans to hit the streets, screeching for the two of them and daughters—and Ms. M’s mom—be hoisted into the DC alleys. And that right early.

    Let’s stand up and be counted in such a way that Obamas are ousted and Congressional Dems are begging for Salvation Army lunches.

    This “change” and “hope” mantra has gone devilment maximum.

    http://www.michnews.com/J_Grant_Swank_Jr/gs121909.shtml

  117. Reuters has an article out on what’s supposedly in the Senate hc bill at this time. I’ve included only the things that really annoyed me.
    Taxes on for-profit health insurance companies saw significant changes that may end up being positive for the industry.
    ((((((((Reid also allowed health insurers to keep their current anti-trust exemptions.))))))))))))))))))
    Tax on medical device manufacturers delayed until 2011.
    Removed a 5% tax on cosmetic surgery, wrinkle-filling injections etc, replacing it with a 10% tax on indoor tanning salons.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1925705520091219

  118. Sorry i’ve been quiet all day but just had another family tragedy. Just 2 months after my Grandmother passed away, my brother in law committed suicide today on the weekend before christmas. I just need to vent this before i get angry.

    I know he’s had his problems with aclcohol and depression. He cheated on my sister, she threw him out, the other woman dumped him, he came running back, my sister refused to take him back, which is only right considering i just found out he had beat her and broke her nose a few months back.

    I’d like to say he’s a selfish prick for ruining his family’s christmas holidays forever because every year now, when it comes round its going to remind them smack in the face every year. I am more angry at the fact his 3yr old grandchild, my great neice was first into the house and found him swinging from the door, that too me was just abhorrent.

    I can’t though hate him, anyone must be in a terrible state to do what he did in hanging himself, I only wish he finds peace but still does’nt comfort what he’s done to my sister and her children. Anger needs to be shed as to what has happened but forgiveness is the only way forward now for his children, he was still their father. I may not be happy with what he’s done but i wont ruin his name in front of them.

    Thanks for letting me share and vent but this is the 4th person i’ve known in the last 8 weeks who has committed suicide, it just seems bad out there at the moment. I don’t understand whats going on, i wish they’s called or wrote or spoke, i think people just bottle it, then the pain explodes.

  119. Moononpluto, Sorry to hear of your bad time, I believe it is a bad time for people. My son’s co-worker was murdered by her husband 3 days ago. She is a nurse, an only daughter of an Oral Surgeon and a excellent and beloved nurse in the Cath lab. I just can’t believe what is happening, there are shootouts and murders now everyday here in little bitty East Texas.

  120. So sorry, moononpluto.

    4 in 8 weeks. That is sobering.

    It’s terrible that your 3-year old grand niece saw him. Hopefully she’s too young to remember this and won’t realize what it means . . .

    Suicide is an awful sentence to place on those who love you. I know.

    Your sister must be devastated. I just hope she doesn’t think it’s her fault.

  121. confloyd,

    Your recent posts make me so glad I’m living in the Catskill boondocks. Honestly, that doesn’t go on around here, much.

    I had my share of the insanity when i lived in the NYC area.

  122. Mrs.Smith, When I heard Michelle say that, that was exactly what I thought. Michelle is an avid supporter of all things of NOI.

  123. I know Basil, i hope she forgets but yes its always the ones left behind who pay.

    Another friend Annie, drew up her entire funeral, planned it all,a party, her clothes, the lot, laid it all out then killed herself, she’d been planning it for months, no-one knew, she just decided she did’nt belong in this world or be part of it, as she put it. I still don’t understand, she wasnt sick, didnt show any signs of stress or whatever.

  124. Paula, Exactly because the BM know Obama is sunk, and they have always hated the Clinton’s, so they drag this crap to crucify them again and again. You’s think that folks would really figure this out, but they don’t.

  125. moononpluto
    December 19th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    ——————-

    moon,

    I am so sorry for your family’s tragic losses.

  126. basil9, yep, that’s Texas and we all carry guns, LOL!! Nope, but I have found that East Texas has many, many red necks, but really their not red necks, they are what I call stump jumpers. LOL!! That’s a cross between a red neck and a hillbilly. They all hunt, carry guns and think women are stupid and are meant to be pregnant and barefoot. When they find one educated they usually beat her and expect her to support him while he runs around on her. I hope haven’t hurt anyone’s feelings, but I am really from Corpus Christ. I am a transplant, but my poor daughters have managed to hook up with these jerks. I wish I would have never left Corpus, but I thought it would be good as there a many good colleges here. The only thing is is that those who go to college here are also red necks. Now I have all these grandchildren and we can’t leave them here, otherwise they will grow up and be just like their dads.

  127. Can’t help myself from stopping in to spread some of my special cheer,
    particularly on a not-so-small oversight when it comes to articles like the one above, speculating on Hill in 16.

    Today alone we’ve got Bernie Sanders (who somehow remains undecided) saying he knows ABSOLUTELY beyond the shadow of any doubt that the (disgrace of a ) HC bill “will have Insurance Co’s laughing all the way to the bank the day after it’s passed.”
    No significant deals in Copenhagen, gutted Wall St ‘Reform’ bills, two continuing (and at least one escalating)wars, positively no relief on the Foreclosure front, we’re still losing 500,000k jobs a month, California’s letting out prisoners to save $$$, deficits bigger than can be imagined, and on and on and on.

    And so my question is, “Who in their right mind even thinks we’re all going to SURVIVE until 2016”?

    Feel free to convince me it’s not over.

  128. Moon, I am so sorry to hear about your losses. Any loss is difficult to bear, but suicide is among the most difficult to survive. The people who are left, never recover completely, and many feel guilt and anger for many years. They are permanently scarred. My thoughts and hugs go out to you. ((( )))

  129. moononpluto
    December 19th, 2009

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    So sorry to hear of your tragic loss especially at the holidays.

    Sincere condolences to you and your family, moon.

  130. More evidence that the left is not particularly satisfied with Obama. This comment is from Common Dreams:

    teddy December 19th, 2009 12:13 am
    well — the Black Guy in the Whiteys’ house IS the butler..he is the butler for his masters:

    the corporatocracy, the rich families, the warmongers, the imperialists, the exploiters and profiteers, the privateers who hijack the world’s commons and barge through national and cultural boundaries to ply their trade of VICIOUS exploitiaton, Dehumanization and Enslavement.

    HE IS the butler..the UNCLE TOM of his Masters.

    In fact his whole life and career has been , clear now, nothing but a preparation for and audition for the role of being their Barking Dog and their Singing Parrot.

    that’s his role and he RELISHES it. he thinks this is his great legacy…and holds up his chin whenever he makes his pronouncements for his moments of glory..but he is nothing more than the GUARDIAN of the WILL of his Masters.

  131. And so my question is, “Who in their right mind even thinks we’re all going to SURVIVE until 2016″?

    Feel free to convince me it’s not over.
    ———————————

    I will not bet against you on that one. Its over.

  132. confloyd
    December 19th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    Soros has got to be royally PO’d at BO’s failures that he has got to considering replacing him. I’m hoping and praying his HC Plan falls through at the last minute and it deals a fatal blow to his credibility being the leader of the country.

    I read somewhere, Congress is going to vote on it tomorrow night. I’m not sure if it’s true or not. My attention has been focused elsewhere.

  133. Mrs. Smith, He has to be, look how much money it cost him to front the fraud.

    They are going over the bill, line by line at Firedoglake. It seems as the bill leaves 23million people uninsured. Well I wonder what demographic that will be?? Their guess over there is me female, almost poor, just before medicare kicks in. Well I knew thats what it would be. Women are going to be and the end of the stick. We require so much more that the insurance companies don’t want to cover. They like men better, they pay in their whole lives and suddenly drop dead of a heart attack and they never knew they were sick. Thats what the insurance companies like.

  134. wbboei,
    And – more cheer! – I forgot to mention the worst part, which I’m sure you’re aware of, which is (in additon to the entirely corrupted media) the civil liberties being widdled down to nothing and spying on americans at an all-time high.

    We knew this was coming – elections do have consequences, after all – but anyone who puts together the pieces of the puzzle will find one hell of a nasty picture.

    On a (seriously:) more cheerful note, apparently Santa Claus was real.

    AOL has a story up now about a very genrous and legendary King Nick from Turkey in the 4th Century.

    According to the story, he comes from the very same town as the head of Coca-Cola, who of course introduced the modern Santa in its advertising in the 1930’s….

    On that note, Happy Holdays.

  135. moononpluto,

    For some, life really is too painful and your friend Annie sounds like she had come to a reasoned decision.

    I’m not condoning it but I do think there are circumstances which are simply unbearable for some.

    I know that if I get hit one more time with some friggin out-of-the-blue diagnosis and it feels like I’m never going to be ‘well’ again, I don’t know if I could accept that.

    OTOH, one of my brothers, who was always very athletic and has 3 kids had a freak accident while training for a triathalon a couple of years ago. His bike hit something on a sunny day on a park road with no traffic and the next thing he knew he woke up a paraplegic. And yet despite the grueling medical cre he undergoes just to keep a small portion of his upper body strength, he doesn’t give up.

    I do think those who make an exhibit of themselves – maybe they don’t realize the pain they’re causing – or maybe it’s intentional.

    I had a young tenant when I lived in NJ – just 24 years old – just starting his life. An amazingly talented guy but going through that awkward male phase – thought he was too short, too unattractive – After just 3 weeks in my first floor apartment I got news at work that he’d hung himself in the garage of a townhouse. I thought it was my home. But he’d gone to his mother’s townhouse and hung himself there. it was awful. His father came to empty out the apartment. I didn’t know what to say.

    Maybe that’s because there was nothing To say.

    How is your sister handling it?

    ra

  136. We call them hump stumpers! 😉

    Honestly, it’s the same here but I don’t have to LIVE with any of them or have much contact except when I need someone to fix something broken in my house and then I have to PAY them too much money while they take their sweet time, milking the situation for all it’s worth coz they know I can’t fix it myself and i’m at their mercy.

    In those circumstances I just keep my mouth shut and am grateful the broken thing gets fixed and that I don’t have to SEE them again (until something eles breaks).

  137. I found this little statement from a commentator on Cannofire blog. I thought it was so well said that I wanted to post it here.

    I think we, on the web, bloggers from both parties, need to start to find common ground and pursue a true people’s party. After all, big pharma may be able to buy the votes of Congress, but they can’t buy your vote or my vote

  138. I sure do sense frustration and defeat in the little leftie blogs now, it gone from anger to defeat to depression rather quickly. What they should be doing is raising hell, calling and screaming at Harry Reid, and Big Momma Pooplosi.

    BTW, I thought Nancy was Santa Claus, she said she was bringing a huge gift to the United States of America, the only person who could actually do that must be the real Santa Claus.

  139. ‘What they should be doing is raising hell, calling and screaming at Harry Reid, and Big Momma Pooplosi.’

    Like HILLBUZZ.

    Classic!

    “Every single member of the House and Senate needs to be screamed at next week. EVERY one of them. Republican and Democrat. They need to see firsthand how angry the American people are. Even the ones who are voting NO need to be screamed at too, so that they get a little extra fire in them too. They need to know the people are behind them in voting NO. People need to scream their heads off all next week. Make it cathartic. We will be screaming at Senators Durkin and Burris, and will take great joy in screaming at Jan Schakowsky, our Congressional rep…the worst member of Congress after Pelosi herself. We will scream ourselves hoarse, and go to these offices Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.
    ………This bill has not been read by anyone. It’s purpose is to takeover 1/6 of the economy. It is being rammed through at lightspeed without proper consideration or debate. This is reckless legislation and anyone not standing in its way is in gross dereliction of duty. Anyone voting for a bill this large, this expensive, and this nation-changing without fully understanding every word written in it should not be in Congress because they are incompetent.
    * the bill is not even written and they are voting on it, which should be unconstitutional
    * no one has read the bill, and they are voting on it, which should be illegal
    * no one understands what’s in the bill or how much it will cost but they are voting on it anyway, which should be grounds for their removal under the umbrella of incompetence to the point of being unable to discharge their elected duties.”

  140. Has anyone seen this. THis is outrageous!! Wait til this gets out, it will HC and Copenhagen look like a walk in the park. From the Corrente blog.

    Ten months after the Obama administration began pressing lenders to do more to prevent foreclosures, many struggling homeowners are holding up their end of the bargain but still find themselves rejected, and some are even having their homes sold out from under them without notice.

    Jeebus. There’s throwing people under the bus, and then there’s throwing people under the bus, eh?

    In the fine print of the form homeowners fill out to apply for Obama’s program, which lowers monthly payments for three months while the lender decides whether to provide permanent relief, borrowers must waive important notification rights.

    This clause allows banks to reject borrowers without any written notification and move straight to auctioning off their homes without any warning.

    How could any party that claims to defend the interests of ordinary working families allow a clause like that? Oh, wait….

    That’s what happened to Evangelina Flores, the owner of a modest 902 square-foot home in Fontana, Calif. She completed a three-month trial modification, and made the last of the agreed upon monthly payments of $1,134.60 on Nov. 1. Her lawyer said that in late November, Central Mortgage Company told her that it would void her adjustable-rate mortgage, which had risen to a monthly sum above $2,000, and replace it with a fixed-rate mortgage.

    “The information they had given us is that she had qualified and that she would be getting her notice of modification in the first week of December,” said George Bosch, the legal administrator for the law firm of Edward Lopez and Rick Gaxiola, which is handling Flores’ case for free.

    Flores, 58, a self-employed child care worker, wired her December payment to Central Mortgage Company on Nov. 30, thinking that her prayers had been answered. A day later, there was a loud, aggressive knock on her door.

    Thinking a relative was playing a prank, she opened her front door to find two strangers handing her an eviction notice.

    “They arrived real demanding, saying that they were the owners,” recalled Flores. “I have high blood pressure, and I felt awful.”

    Court documents show that her house had been sold that very morning to a recently created company, Shark Investments.

    “Shark Investments.” I like that.

    NOTE Is Obama some kind of mole? A Manchurian candidate? Is he trying to make sure that nobody ever trusts the government again? Because now everybody who applied for this program should lawyer up — with more of the money they already don’t have.

  141. confloyd,

    At least texas is one of the states that can secede.

    According to Perry, “when Texas entered the union in 1845 it was with the understanding it could pull out.”

    Wish I could move there.

  142. and it gets better and better…

    Ahmadinejad to seek UN compensation for WWII

    Iran’s president says he will soon write to the UN Secretary-General asking for his country to be compensated for World War II damages.

    “We will seek compensation for World War II damages. I have assigned a team to calculate the costs,” Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said at a Friday press conference in the Danish capital. “I will write a letter to the UN Secretary-General[Ban Ki-moon] asking for Iran to be compensated for the damages,”” he added, pointing out that such a move is necessary to ensure that justice was served.

    Ahmadinejad told the reporters that the countries that won the Second World War had inflicted a lot of damage on Iran by invading the country and using its resources. The president added that while the former Soviet Union, the United States and Britain received compensation after the conflict, Iran had been given nothing to make up for the suffering its people had endured.

    “”During this period, the Iranian people were subjected to a great deal of pressure and the country suffered a great deal of damages but Iran was not paid any compensation,”” Ahmadinejad explained.

    At the start of World War II, Iran declared its neutrality, but the country was soon invaded by both Britain and the Soviet Union on August 26, 1941 in Operation Countenance. Iran’s refusal to give into Allied demands and expel all German nationals from the country was the excuse they needed to occupy the country. Within months of the invasion Iran became known as “The Bridge of Victory” to the Allies.

    When invading the Soviet Union in 1941, the Allies urgently needed to transport war materiel across Iran to the Soviet Union. The effects of the war, however, were very catastrophic for Iran. Food and other essential items were scarce and severe inflation imposed great hardship on the lower and middle classes as the needs of foreign troops were prioritized.

    “Not only was Iran deprived of any compensation for World War II, but 10 years later, the Americans even went as far as arranging a coup to reverse a popular uprising that had led to the nationalization of oil,” said Ahmadinejad.

    In 1953, Washington orchestrated a coup against the popular and democratically-elected Iranian prime minister of the time, Mohammad Mosaddeq, whose efforts led to the nationalization of the country’s oil industry. Almost half a century later, former U.S. secretary of state Madeleine Albright acknowledged the pivotal role that the U.S. played in the coup, coming closer than any other American diplomat to apologizing for the intervention.

    “The Eisenhower administration believed its actions were justified for strategic reasons… But the coup was clearly a setback for Iran’s political development. And it is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America,” she said in March 2000.

    Ahmadinejad who had travelled to Copenhagen to take part in the Climate Change Summit, returned to Iran on Saturday morning.

    http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=210275

  143. Data Shows that the Stimulus Package Was a Waste of Money

    December 19, 2009
    By Peter Roff

    To put it kindly, the stimulus package that President Barack Obama, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rushed through Congress at the beginning of his presidency has been a flop. It is not just that the $789 billion package has not had the effect the White House promised it would; it’s that it may actually have been counterproductive, actually lengthening the recession by effectively taking money out of the private economy, where it could have been used to create jobs and for investment purposes. Instead it has been parceled out by the government, which has been unable to track where it has gone or what impact it has really had on job creation. And that has led to any number of fallacious statements by senior administration officials about jobs “created or saved.”

    There is really no way to assess the number of jobs “saved,” which has been the principle rallying cry of the White House over the last few months. Moreover, as data released Friday by the Republicans on the House Committee on Ways and Means makes clear, payroll employment has declined in every state except North Dakota and in the District of Columbia in the nine months since the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act has been law. Likewise the national unemployment rate, which Obama promised would not exceed 8 percent if the stimulus became law, has reached a 25-year high of over 10 percent.

    In no state has anything like the promised job creation occurred. In Alabama, for example, the White House estimated that the stimulus package would generate 52,000 jobs by the end of calendar 2010. Yet the government’s own figures show the state has lost a net 30,700 jobs through the end of November 2009. In Illinois, which sent Barack Obama to Washington back in November 2004, the White House estimated a net increase of 148,000 jobs but the state has lost more than 150,000 thus far.

    In California, the home state of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the prediction was that 396,000 new jobs would be created by the end of next year. So far it has lost just over 340,000. In Nevada, where Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is in the fight of his political life as far as his 2010 re-election bid is concerned, the estimates predicted 34,000 new jobs would be created. So far this year, since the stimulus has been enacted, it has lost more than 50,000.

    All told, the nation has lost 2.6 million jobs since the “shovel ready” stimulus dollars started to flow, rather than create the promised 3.5 million, putting the Obama administration 6.1 million jobs in the hole. That’s a lot of jobs to make up in twelve months, and at a pace that would outstrip even the Reagan Recovery, which ultimately created 20 million new jobs by the end of his eight-year presidency.

    It is now abundantly clear, even as rumors of a third stimulus package continue to circulate, that a new approach to job creation is needed.

    http://www.usnews.com/blogs/peter-roff/2009/12/19/data-shows-that-the-stimulus-package-was-a-waste-of-money.html

  144. um…basil…you might want to rethink that. Edmonton, Canada, one of our northern cities broke the North American record a few weekends ago with -54 ºC (-65.2 ºF).

    LOL…apart from the ccccold weather though, I do love my country.

    Hard to think about global warming those in these conditions. 🙂

  145. Well, I don’t have to move to Edmonton!

    Seriously, though, I know it’s REALLY hard for ‘foreigners’ to get into Canada. All kinds of restrictions, like having to prove income, job status, etc.

    Wish the US was like that.

    😡

  146. I have found a new blog, although the owner is not new to me. He/she posts all the time on No Quarter. jbjd wordpress.com has a wonderful little story about the 08 convention and of coarse all the illegal stuff that has been going on. He/she is a teacher, it a good read. Anyway I do however believe that Obama will not be running in 12′ because some states will as for his papers, he doesn’t have them or he would not have spent 3 million trying to hide them from the public. So my guess is that they are prepping Hillary.

  147. Just happened to mention this before regarding prisoners being let out and just spotted this story.

    Talk about a misleading headline! Nice Going AP!

    (wouldn’t want anyone to panic!!!)

    Prison population to have first drop since 1972
    By JEFF CARLTON, Associated Press Writer Jeff Carlton, Associated Press Writer
    Sat Dec 19, 2:27 pm ET

    DALLAS – The United States may soon see its prison population drop for the first time in almost four decades, a milestone in a nation that locks up more people than any other.

    The inmate population has risen steadily since the early 1970s as states adopted get-tough policies that sent more people to prison and kept them there longer. But tight budgets now have states rethinking these policies and the costs that come with them.

    “It’s a reversal of a trend that’s been going on for more than a generation,” said David Greenberg, a sociology professor at New York University. “In some ways, it’s overdue.”

    The U.S. prison population dropped steadily during most of the 1960s, and there were a few small dips in 1970 and 1972. But it has risen every year since, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

    About 739,000 prisoners were admitted to state and federal facilities last year, about 3,500 more than were released, according to new figures from the bureau. The 0.8 percent growth in the prison population is the smallest annual increase this decade and significantly less than the 6.5 percent average annual growth of the 1990s.

    Overall, there were 1.6 million prisoners in state and federal prisons at the end of 2008.

    In the past, prison populations have been lower when drafts were enacted, including during World War II and the wars in Korea and Vietnam.

    “People who go to war are young men, and young men are the most likely to get arrested or prosecuted,” said James Austin, president of the JFA Institute, a research organization that advises states on prison issues.

    The ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan haven’t involved in a draft.

    Instead, the economic crisis forced states to reconsider who they put behind bars and how long they kept them there, said Kim English, research director for the Colorado Division of Criminal Justice.

    In Texas, parole rates were once among the lowest in the nation, with as few as 15 percent of inmates being granted release as recently as five years ago. Now, the parole rate is more than 30 percent after Texas began identifying low-risk candidates for parole.

    In Mississippi, a truth-in-sentencing law required drug offenders to serve 85 percent of their sentences. That’s been reduced to less than 25 percent.

    California’s budget problems are expected to result in the release of 37,000 inmates in the next two years. The state also is under a federal court order to shed 40,000 inmates because its prisons are so overcrowded that they are no longer constitutional, Austin said.

    States also are looking at ways to keep people from ever entering prison. A nationwide system of drug courts takes first-time felony offenders caught with less than a gram of illegal drugs and sets up a monitoring team to help with case management and therapy.

    Studies have touted significant savings with drug courts, saying they cost 10 percent to 30 percent less than it costs to send someone to prison.

    “I don’t think they work. I know so,” said Judge John Creuzot, a state district judge in Dallas.

    The reforms in many state prisons and courts come even as crime rates continue to drop nationwide.

    “It’s economically driven, but the science is there to support it,” Austin said. “They are saving money, but not doing it in a way that jeopardizes public safety.”

    One exception to the trend is Florida, which has enacted a law requiring all convicts to serve a high percentage of their sentences. The law is straining the state’s prison resources.

    “They know that they are stuck in a time bomb they can’t get out of,” Austin said.

  148. wbboei, Could it be that the republicans are helping the bluedogs with this HC bill?? Looks like McConnell might have had his hand in the Stupak amendment.

    An aide to Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) coordinated opposition to the Senate health bill’s abortion compromise this morning with the Republican Senate leadership, according to a chain of frantic emails obtained this morning by POLITICO.

    Stupak, in an interview with POLITICO, called the Senate bill’s abortion position “unacceptable” – but disavowed his staffer’s collaboration with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

    “I never talked to McConnell about the health care bill,” said Stupak, adding that “I did not authorize the email [which] “was sent without my knowledge.”

    Stupak said that he has discussed the Senate’s abortion position with Democratic senators Ben Nelson (Neb.) and Robert Casey (Penn.), who both hold conservative views on abortion.

    Stupak’s continued opposition to the Senate plan, despite those conversations and intense pressure from the White House, suggests that reconciling it with the House bill may prove politically challenging.

    The Senate language represented “a dramatic shift in federal policy,” said Stupak, adding that he remained hopeful that the differences could be resolved in conference. Nelson, though, said earlier Saturday that his support for the legislation was contingent on the abortion compromise remaining in it.

    The emails suggest a previously unseen degree of coordination between the offices of Stupak and McConnell. Stupak is the leader of a group of pro-life Democrats who say they’ll oppose the sweeping legislation if it uses government money to pay for abortion, while McConnell is firmly committed to killing the legislation.

    The fact that their offices have made common cause against the Senate’s health care compromise will likely further infuriate Stupak’s Democratic colleagues in the House, and demonstrates his willingness to stop any bill that doesn’t pass his test.

  149. Thanks to Mrs. Smith here is the truth. As usual, it is the diametric of what the serial liars of our own big media are telling us, in their vain hope to maintain control of the public mind. But there are a few voices of truth including US News when Mort leaves it alone, and Fox when they are not telling lies about Hillary.

    The post mortem on this escapade should be they, they saw and Bambi failed to conquer. Global warming talks get bogged down in subzero temperatures. Or squat redux. Or no bambi no no no bambi–you cannot make chicken salad out of chicken salad. The attempt to portray what happened–and more important did not happen– in wonderful wonderful Copenhagen salty old girl of the sea–neath your tavern light on this very night Bambi screwed the pooch for all to see—as some kind of breakthrough is a triumph of spin over substance, and marketing hype over hard reality.

    So what else is new?

    This article from on friends from Times on Line reveals the embarrassing truth that Bambi is a charlatan. Or, to be more precise about it he is the “Butler for the Corporate Elitesy” as one of the lefties on Common Dreams so eloquently put it. I have posted the reader comments as well. Bambi is a bad vaudeville act and we need the vaudeville hook–art is long and time is fleeting etc.

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    Barack Obama’s climate deal unravels at last moment
    Jonathan Leake, Environment Editor
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    The United Nations climate change conference ended in recrimination yesterday without reaching a clear deal on emissions targets.

    After a stormy session in Copenhagen, in which a vociferous anti-American minority brought the talks close to collapse, most countries agreed simply to “take note” of a watered-down agreement brokered by President Barack Obama and supported by Britain.

    This accord — which had been drawn up in discussions with China and 30 or so other countries on Friday — sets a target of limiting global warming to a maximum of 2C above pre-industrial times.

    Above this temperature, scientists say, the world would start to experience dangerous changes, including floods, droughts and rising seas.

    RELATED LINKS
    Hot air in our time
    The Copenhagen farce is glad tidings for all
    Critics pointed out, however, that the agreement failed to say how this limit on rising temperatures would be achieved. It pushed into the future decisions on core problems such as emissions cuts, and did not specify where a proposed $100 billion (£62 billion) in annual aid for developing nations would come from.

    Yvo de Boer, the head of the UN climate change secretariat, called it “basically a letter of intent … the ingredients of an architecture that can respond to the long-term challenge of climate change”.

    Jeremy Hobbs, executive director of Oxfam International, dismissed it as “a triumph of spin over substance. It recognises the need to keep warming below 2C but does not commit to do so. It kicks back the big decisions on emissions cuts and fudges the issue of climate cash”.

    The deal was denounced when put early yesterday to a plenary session of the conference after Obama and other heads of state had flown home.

    Delegates from Sudan, Nicaragua, Cuba, Venezuela and Bolivia — who form an anti-American front — led the attack.

    A Sudanese delegate, Lumumba Di-Aping, caused uproar when he compared the plan with the Holocaust. It was, he said, “a solution based on the same very values, in our opinion, that piled 6m people into furnaces in Europe”.

    “The reference to the Holocaust is … absolutely despicable,” said Anders Turesson, Sweden’s chief negotiator.

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    JL Ronish wrote:
    Must say that you europeans must feel more than a little sheepish about falling for this Empty Suit of a politicain. And ditto regarding your swooning over Al Gore. Go out and eat worms.
    December 20, 2009 12:56 AM GMT
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    B S Goh wrote:
    I think UN made a very bad mistake and its typical of UN to be political rather than logical in its decisions.
    At this time of year the global warming Conference should have been held in a hot place in the Southern Hemisphere like South Africa or Angola rather than in Northern Europe. How do you expect the delegates to the Conference to worry about global warming when the weather is so cold in Northern Europe at this time of year. Where I am I wish it is 20C warmer !!
    December 20, 2009 12:45 AM GMT
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    george scoresby wrote:
    The tears are running down my face at this “failure.” There is no success like failure.
    December 19, 2009 11:59 PM GMT
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    Alex Hamilton wrote:
    @el elx:

    namby-pamby, credit, responsibility, arrogant, ramming, ramming (some more apparently),…do his bidding…, CRAVEN “DELIBERATORS”….

    Bill Simpson wrote:
    Do something that will actually work! Spend all the money building hydroelectric dams, wind turbines, natural gas facilities(LNG plants & pipelines), and standardized nuclear power plants. Better insulate the many millions of existing buildings that still need it.
    December 19, 2009 11:10 PM GMT
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    Kevin sinclair wrote:
    Take it from an American, Obama did nothing. Matter a fact Obama has not fulfilled one campaign promise so to think he would do something magical in Copenhagen is asinine. Obamas approval ratings are fast approaching that of Bush and any chance of him making a deal and getting it past our houses are slime to none. He went, gave an inspiring speech and came away with nothing which has become the norm for Obama
    December 19, 2009 11:05 PM GMT
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    el elx wrote:
    “How exactly was this “Barack Obama’s deal”?”
    Well, Alex; CNN and the rest of the American Media, are certainly giving him the credit for there being even the namby-pamby statement that came out of the Conference. If he can take the credit, surely he must take the responsibility!
    “Obama is not so stupid as to believe that the US Congress will ever actually vote to pay for this Bolshevik B.S.”
    No Alex, not stupid enough, but certainly arrogant enough to believe that his charm can move mountains; he’s just done it with health care in the USA, ramming through legislation opposed by a majority of his own people, so what’s to stop him ramming through legislation that’s supported by a majority of his own people.
    Ah! but you seem to believe that the Senators who passed the Health Bill will not stand for a Carbon Tax Bill! How wrong you are! They will do his bidding because NOT A ONE OF THOSE CRAVEN “DELIBERATORS” can say NO to this particular vested interest! December 19, 2009 11:04 PM GMT
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    Al Stuart wrote:
    I, like many, am delighted it ended in nothing.
    December 19, 2009 10:46 PM GMT
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  150. Barack Obama’s climate deal unravels at last moment
    Jonathan Leake, Environment Editor
    TIMES ON LINE
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    BARACK OBAMA’S CLIMATE DEAL UNRAVELS AT LAST MOMENT

    The United Nations climate change conference ended in recrimination yesterday without reaching a clear deal on emissions targets.

    After a stormy session in Copenhagen, in which a vociferous anti-American minority brought the talks close to collapse, most countries agreed simply to “take note” of a watered-down agreement brokered by President Barack Obama and supported by Britain.

    This accord — which had been drawn up in discussions with China and 30 or so other countries on Friday — sets a target of limiting global warming to a maximum of 2C above pre-industrial times.

    Above this temperature, scientists say, the world would start to experience dangerous changes, including floods, droughts and rising seas.

    RELATED LINKS
    Hot air in our time
    The Copenhagen farce is glad tidings for all
    Critics pointed out, however, that the agreement failed to say how this limit on rising temperatures would be achieved. It pushed into the future decisions on core problems such as emissions cuts, and did not specify where a proposed $100 billion (£62 billion) in annual aid for developing nations would come from.

    Yvo de Boer, the head of the UN climate change secretariat, called it “basically a letter of intent … the ingredients of an architecture that can respond to the long-term challenge of climate change”.

    Jeremy Hobbs, executive director of Oxfam International, dismissed it as “a triumph of spin over substance. It recognises the need to keep warming below 2C but does not commit to do so. It kicks back the big decisions on emissions cuts and fudges the issue of climate cash”.

    The deal was denounced when put early yesterday to a plenary session of the conference after Obama and other heads of state had flown home.

    Delegates from Sudan, Nicaragua, Cuba, Venezuela and Bolivia — who form an anti-American front — led the attack.

    A Sudanese delegate, Lumumba Di-Aping, caused uproar when he compared the plan with the Holocaust. It was, he said, “a solution based on the same very values, in our opinion, that piled 6m people into furnaces in Europe”.

    “The reference to the Holocaust is … absolutely despicable,” said Anders Turesson, Sweden’s chief negotiator.

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    JL Ronish wrote:
    Must say that you europeans must feel more than a little sheepish about falling for this Empty Suit of a politicain. And ditto regarding your swooning over Al Gore. Go out and eat worms.
    December 20, 2009 12:56 AM GMT
    RECOMMEND? (4)
    B S Goh wrote:
    I think UN made a very bad mistake and its typical of UN to be political rather than logical in its decisions.
    At this time of year the global warming Conference should have been held in a hot place in the Southern Hemisphere like South Africa or Angola rather than in Northern Europe. How do you expect the delegates to the Conference to worry about global warming when the weather is so cold in Northern Europe at this time of year. Where I am I wish it is 20C warmer !!
    December 20, 2009 12:45 AM GMT
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    george scoresby wrote:
    The tears are running down my face at this “failure.” There is no success like failure.
    December 19, 2009 11:59 PM GMT
    RECOMMEND? (3)
    Alex Hamilton wrote:
    @el elx:

    namby-pamby, credit, responsibility, arrogant, ramming, ramming (some more apparently),…do his bidding…, CRAVEN “DELIBERATORS”….

    Wow! Somebody needs to grab a cuppa hot cocoa and go make a few snow angels….

    Now play nice with the other Glen Beck Fanboys or I’m gonna have to make sure you get that lump O’coal Mommy’s’ been threatening you with.
    December 19, 2009 11:25 PM GMT
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    Bill Simpson wrote:
    Do something that will actually work! Spend all the money building hydroelectric dams, wind turbines, natural gas facilities(LNG plants & pipelines), and standardized nuclear power plants. Better insulate the many millions of existing buildings that still need it.
    December 19, 2009 11:10 PM GMT
    RECOMMEND? (4)
    Kevin sinclair wrote:
    Take it from an American, Obama did nothing. Matter a fact Obama has not fulfilled one campaign promise so to think he would do something magical in Copenhagen is asinine. Obamas approval ratings are fast approaching that of Bush and any chance of him making a deal and getting it past our houses are slime to none. He went, gave an inspiring speech and came away with nothing which has become the norm for Obama
    December 19, 2009 11:05 PM GMT
    RECOMMEND? (7)
    el elx wrote:
    “How exactly was this “Barack Obama’s deal”?”
    Well, Alex; CNN and the rest of the American Media, are certainly giving him the credit for there being even the namby-pamby statement that came out of the Conference. If he can take the credit, surely he must take the responsibility!
    “Obama is not so stupid as to believe that the US Congress will ever actually vote to pay for this Bolshevik B.S.”
    No Alex, not stupid enough, but certainly arrogant enough to believe that his charm can move mountains; he’s just done it with health care in the USA, ramming through legislation opposed by a majority of his own people, so what’s to stop him ramming through legislation that’s supported by a majority of his own people.
    Ah! but you seem to believe that the Senators who passed the Health Bill will not stand for a Carbon Tax Bill! How wrong you are! They will do his bidding because NOT A ONE OF THOSE CRAVEN “DELIBERATORS” can say NO to this particular vested interest!

    December 19, 2009 11:04 PM GMT
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    Al Stuart wrote:
    I, like many, am delighted it ended in nothing.
    December 19, 2009 10:46 PM GMT
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  151. wbboei
    December 19th, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    BARACK OBAMAS CLIMATE DEAL UNRAVES
    TIMES ON LINE

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The tears are running down my face at this “failure.”

    There is no success like failure.

  152. Wbboei, the spam filter gods have been angry with you today. 🙂 We just liberated a bunch of your comments. It’s none of your doing, it’s the spam filter going nuts.

  153. When someone like Palin or Gore is accused of a ridiculous claim such as ‘seeing Russia from my house’ or ‘ALL the emails being over 10 years old’, we don’t really have to spend time at the accusing website or try to find out what statement they are distorting and find a cite for the actual statement. We can just point out that the accusation is ridiculous because no one would make a claim so easily disproved. Thus the accusation must be a misunderstanding/distortion or at best a slip of the tongue. Certainly not a ‘lie.’

  154. wbboei, Are the republicans doing the byrdblock or did they go home that let this horrid HC scam go thru?? My guess, they went home, smiling to themselves they stopped the public option, the repeel of the antitrust laws. In essence, they won, even to the point of the ability by some states to stop funding abortions. How can the democrats even hold their heads up and so they fought and won against the rethugs. BS, the rethugs will comdemn it while smiling to themselves.

  155. HillaryforTexas
    December 19th, 2009 at 11:23 am

    Re: my post above: The thing that pisses me off about this is that because the alarm over it was raised by some right-winger citizens, the left just reflexively ignores.

    That’s their game, people. WAKE UP! We all need to start looking with a skeptical eye at BOTH sides of the political machine, and not just have knee-jerk reactions based on the source of the info. Both sides are in it together to screw over the People, and we need to realize that while the GOP machine itself is an enemy, our right-leaning friends and neighbors are not.

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    Right, very sensible, thanks!

    With the HC bill, someone got the Rightwingers shouting ‘socialized medicine!’ so the Leftwingers supported it! LOL.

    I’m glad some Leftwingers are seeing through this HC thing as really a corporate ploy (even though they were very wrong in the primaries).

    Sounds like what that Kos diary was leading to, at
    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/16/815429/-No-One-Is-Going-To-Save-You-Fools I haven’t had time to read the comments yet or see if it’s updated.

  156. basil9
    December 19th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
    The idea of taking $500 million FROM medicare while simultaneously adding 30 million people To medicare is so preposterous even a 2 year old could understand it.

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    That ought to mean 30 million more votes to protect Medicare, and restore the $500 million next election time. Unless they’ve succeeded in making the cuts carved in stone. (Hm, an un-mixed metaphor, I must need caffeine.)

  157. “They know that they are stuck in a time bomb they can’t get out of,” Austin said.

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    Ah, there’s the good old standard of metaphor. 😉

  158. This is off topic, however I just heard a blip on GERALDO about the new book I assume was mentioned earlier today on this site: “The Death of American Virtue” digging up the Monica mess with Bill Clinton. This just makes me want to defeat every Clinton hating Republican and all the far left wingnuts. I’ve been really, really angry about what was done to the Clintons for years and years and here it comes around once again. If for no other reason, I’d vote for and support Hillary forever. And there are thousands of other reasons to want her as president.

    After the last election, I can no longer be a Democrat and with this mess dredged up again and what the Republicans did, I can not ever be a Republican. I wish we could kick all their behinds out of Washington. Okay, rant over.

  159. wbboei
    December 19th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    Appropos of the current malaise, some quotations from Alexis de Tocqueville

    1. The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.

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    Oh for the good old days when the public DID get (some of) the money.

  160. [Hillary] now has a glowing 65 per cent approval rating among Independents and healthy 57 per cent among Republicans.

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    Higher yet, last report I heard, iirc. And Obama’s is way down under 50%.

  161. SouthernBorn, AGREED! We have no choice both sides suck! I am sorry that I voted a straight rethug ticket last year. I should have researched, but I was so pist at the superdelegates and all dims in general that I pulled a straight ticket. I won’t this year, but am watching who is Soros backed and who is not, who is backing Obama blindly and who is not. Its the only thing we can do. I am a democrat, I don’t want to be a republican, but I am not for the likes of this commander in theif.

  162. SouthernBorn, I think that is why BM is trying desparately to bring this crap up again. Hopefully, people will not listen this time.

    I have always toyed with the idea that maybe Obama had something on Hillary, and that why she went to work for him, but now I am beginning to wonder if she may have it on him, LOL!! If she does, I hope she holds out for the maximum. LOL!!

  163. Do something that will actually work! Spend all the money building hydroelectric dams, wind turbines, natural gas facilities(LNG plants & pipelines), and standardized nuclear power plants. Better insulate the many millions of existing buildings that still need it.

    ==========================

    Er, isn’t that what the Copenhagen money is (in theory) supposed to build?

  164. I was reading blog about the abortion issue, what it stated was the insurance covers in cases of rape, incest or where the mother’s life is endaner, but you would have to buy a policy that covered that. So am I right on this, you gamble that you would be raped, or have incest in your family before hand. I mean you don’t know if these things are going to happen, so you have to buy an extra coverage in case it might happen, gimme a freaking break.

  165. It is becoming abundantly clear WHY they did not want Hillary to stay in the senate. What do you think she would be doing right now if she were there?? I imagine that Catholic Teddy was trying to buy his way into heaven by undoing the abortion issue as much as possible.

    What do you think she would be saying about Crap & Trade?? She would be joing the old republicans on this issue as well.

    So now I suspect we will start to see me hit pieces on Hillary, as they all know if Obama doesn’t run, she will and Soros is putting up Dean. The dumbasses will vote for him because he is championing the “kill the bill” bs., while he says it should pass out of the other side of his mouth.

    I want to save the democratic party, but it won’t be saved by the likes of Dean the scream.

  166. Lisaque, Where is Luella, what town is it near, gee we may be neighbors. Yes, though, theres been lots of killing lately. In the little town where I live they are watching the exit aisle at Walmart for shop lifters and they have never done that in the past.

  167. The world verdict on Mr. Obama is coming it. It aint pretty. This is the truth big media tried to hide.
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    Amateur Barack Obama’s Speechifying Causes an International Incident
    Posted by Erick Erickson (Profile)
    Saturday, December 19th at 9:22PM EST

    18 Comments
    While Americans are fixated on the weekend blizzard and the health care debate, the rest of the world is fixated on the disastrous “climate change” talks in Copenhagen.

    More importantly, though world leaders could not agree on much of anything significant, they could all agree on one thing: Barack Obama screwed up a delicate situation and unintentionally sunk the deal.

    For a man who is supposed to be a brilliant speaker and skilled diplomat, leaders from London to Beijing are openly blaming Obama for screwing up Copenhagen. About the only thing good anyone can say about his performance is that he left early.

    Seriously.

    Former British Deputy Prime Minister and current Member of Parliament John Prescott wrote in the Observer, “President Obama’s speech blaming China didn’t help.”

    What was that? It appears Obama tried to bully China into accepting Obama’s vision that nation-states are meaningless and every nation should act in the interests of one world.

    “For the Chinese, this was our sovereignty and our national interest,” said Xie Zhenhua, head of China’s delegation.

    Oops.

    Then there was Obama’s “commitment” to help the third world with $10 billion. That made even his friend Hugo Chavez mad. It also made a lot of other third world nations mad.

    Obama miscalculated like the amateur he is.

    Category: Barack Obama, China, Copenhagen, Global Warming

  168. Confloyd, Luella is betwen Sherman and Tom Bean. And its the same here Walmart is checking everyone who leaves the store, they started this about a month ago.

  169. lisaque, I am in deep east texas near Nacogdoches. I guess people are trying to get Christmas any way they can. Our Walmart is still full, by this time its usually empty and picked over. There is no one in the stores buying toys or electronic or anything.

  170. Confloyd: Yes. Here is some evidence: in a comment to redstate blog. Big media did not report that Hillary was with the Great One when he burst into the private meeting and saved the day. An oversight perhaps. If it is true, they have no business passing the health care scam or crap and trade. They had better stop all spending immediately.
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    And the Chinese reaction wasn’t limited to Copenhagen

    malbis Saturday, December 19th at 11:10PM EST (link)
    I wonder what China’s Premier was talking privately about with the leaders of Brazil and India before Obama and Clinton brust in unannounced and uninvited to that private meeting (as Reuters reported)? Ways to get around the verification issue, perhaps?

    I also think it isn’t a coincidence that a Chinese Central Bank official yesterday said that China was not going to continue to buy American debt because our deficit was too high and we weren’t buying as much from China anymore.

    They have been buying less Treasuries for several months, but the timing of that announcement seemed to coincide both with the final push for the ObamaCare bill–and with Obama’s Copenhagen speech.. The U.S. economy is going to take a huge hit next year if China doesn’t continue to buy Treasury notes–we have about 4 trillion dollars in new spending and roll-over of notes that we need to sell at the lowest interest rate possible.

    Obama might have done a lot more harm to our country in Copenhagen than any of us realize yet.

    Why the real Unemployment rate is really 21.4%, not 10.0%
    From the 1940 feature film Ghost Breakers, starring the late, great, Bob Hope and Paulette Goddard:

    Scientist: “It’s worse than horrible, because a Zombie has no will of his own. You see them some times, walking around blindly with dead eyes, following orders, not knowing what they do, not caring.”

    Bob Hope: “You mean, like Dimocrats?”

  171. isaque, I am in deep east texas near Nacogdoches. I guess people are trying to get Christmas any way they can. Our Walmart is still full, by this time its usually empty and picked over. There is no one in the stores buying toys or electronic or anything.
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    Confloyd. I have been there but it has been years. I think it was some kind of capital at one time, or am I wrong? Isn’t Steven Austin College there or am I mistaken?

  172. wbboei, Ahhh, So now we know why Pooplose says no new spending bills next year. No more Chinese money after Obama burst in and showed his ass. I really doubt Hillary was there, this sounds like something she would try and stop before it came about.

    Are you ready for the depression?? I am not sure, it scares the hell out of me!

  173. wbboei, Yes, Stephen F. Austin university is there, its a lovely town, and home to my 3 grandchildren and the demon who is there father. I don’t take it out on poor Nacogdoches, its a beautiful place, very southern and grand.

  174. My favority part of coarse is the cobblestone streets, and the big southern plantation homes, we have some of those here in Crockett, but there is not that many.

  175. I do not understand his idiotspeak to supercillious gibson that we will be bankrupt if we do not pass this health care scam. I think the devil is the detail is the granting of broad plenary rights to cabinet officials to allocated health care and that means rationing.

  176. How could he do such a thing, I thought he was perrrrfect! I read over on another blog that Obama really only has one term. I guess its because the word will be out who he really is and where is from by then. People are working on that night and day since before the election. The DNC and Howie Dean certifying his eligibility broke the law big time. I am sure thats why Howie stepped down so he wouldn’t have to answer any questions why he certified the states that the law requires the candidate to be checked and verified by the DNC. Nancy certifed the others.

  177. wbboei, maybe if we don’t pass healthcare the money men like Soros will short the dollar and we will be bankrupt. Who knows?? THere’s lots they are not telling us.

  178. If the shit hits the fan, we must keep our cool. I am not inclined to blame him. He is what he his. An arrogant, incompetent propped up jackass with a teleprompter. This was an avoidable situation if Hillary had been nominated and elected. She never would have tried to do everything at once, or to run up a huge deficit in the midst of a recession. She would have behaved wisely. And we never would have had the blowup in Copenhagen, The evidence is clear that Soros and his minions put him in there to serve their purposes and not ours. But the enabler of all this was and is big media. They lied to us on a consistent basis. They know who they are and so does the American People. NBC, MSNBC, CNN, NYT, AP. They have blinded us to what is happening and prevented the proper steps from being taken. If you were in Chinas shoes and saw him running up the kind of debt he has what would you do. His pretty words mean nothing. It is not about being liked. It is about stategic interests of nations. Growing up in a Kenyan village is not enough, but Big Media led many people to believe otherwise.

  179. wbboei, Yes, Stephen F. Austin university is there, its a lovely town, and home to my 3 grandchildren and the demon who is there father. I don’t take it out on poor Nacogdoches, its a beautiful place, very southern and grand.

    wbboei, yes Austin College is here a every good school and a pricey one.

    Confoyd, I too grew up in Corpus Cristy and Kingsville my dad was in the Navy.

  180. wbboei, maybe if we don’t pass healthcare the money men like Soros will short the dollar and we will be bankrupt. Who knows?? THere’s lots they are not telling us.
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    If you study Soros behavior when he crashed the pound in 1992 and the Asian market in 1997 that is pretty much the pattern. He is currently invested in t blls. I wonder if he will get away with it if he pulls the same thing on us this time. The third time, they say, is the charm-. Or will he throw snakeyes? The man has no loyalty to this nation or to any other nation. He is a prototypical citizen of the world.

  181. How could he do such a thing, I thought he was perrrrfect! I read over on another blog that Obama really only has one term.
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    I am told that the Israelis and Arabs alike have reached the same conclusion–one term at most. Thus, in their eyes he is already a lame duck. I am told that both sides will keep their powder dry for three years, rather than entrust their future to someone like him whose word means nothing. Unfortunately, Israel may be compelled to act against the mounting threat in Iran long before his one term has expired.

  182. Gosh, I hope Chelsea doesn’t have a name change in her future. I really wish women wouldn’t change their names when/every time they get married. Let the daughters keep the mom’s name, and the sons keep the dad’s name. It would be nice – and more fair – to have matrilineal lineage, not just patrilineal.

  183. Maybe the extra people hc belong to the following group – and as you read, notice which members of Congress were represented at the kickoff:
    Immigrants and immigrant rights supporters commemorated International Migrants Day in the Mission on Friday night in a call to action to fight for comprehensive immigration reform legislation. Guitarist Francisco Herrera opened the event with a song: “Here we are/we aren;t going anywhere/and if you throw us out/we will come back,”” he sang in Spanish to an all ages, multi- ethnic crowd on the steps of Mission High School. Community members wrote prayers for immigration reform on squares of cloth that were strung together in long, festive banners. “Take down these false borders…Save our families,” read one square. “No more broken families, no more broken promises, no more broken systems,” read another.

    San Francisco Immigrant Legal and Education Network was the chief organizer of the event, which began with an interfaith vigil, followed by a town hall meeting that drew about 200 people. Rep. Mike Honda (D-CA) who represents Gilroy, with staff from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Rep. Luis Gutierrez’s (D-IL) offices also attended. The meeting coincided both with International Migrants Day , which the United Nations established in 2000 to promote the human rights of migrants, as well as a reinvigorated debate on federal immigration policy. On Tuesday, Rep. Gutierrez introduced the first bill in what promises to be a complicated battle on comprehensive immigration reform. Read more about proposed immigration reform legislation here.
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/inthemission/detail?&entry_id=53875

  184. I have been talking about Obama favoring his big donors, but this writer says there is more to it than donations.

    Here’s some more from the diary at
    h/w
    dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/16/815429/-No-One-Is-Going-To-Save-You-Fools

    It’s not the campaign contributions: it’s the persuasion money.
    [….]
    The biggest difference between Obama and FDR/LBJ is that [ad consultants] weren’t really around back then. As the TV show Mad Men can show you, our industry was just getting off the ground in the mid-1960’s. [….]
    So here’s what you have to understand. If the health insurance and financial industries really felt scared by any particular politician or political party, or their lobbying efforts were inadequate, they could throw them out of power in a heartbeat.

    I wonder if this was what was done to the Clintons, Gore, and Palin.

    Of course the writer is trying to sell his own services to the Kos readers. But this might be a factor worth considering. He recommends Naomi Naomi Klein’s book No Logo; has anyone read it?

  185. Admin-

    Please post this excellent video illustrating our State of the Union. Thanks~

    Please everyone post it far and wide. Hopefully it will go viral.

  186. click on the link above and go to youtube and watch this film “Fall of the Republic” parts 1-14…it is very informative and I believe very close to what is happening right now…

  187. McCain: Obama administration has been more partisan than Clinton White House

    By Bridget Johnson – 12/20/09

    Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) gave his challenger in the 2008 presidential election a stiff review Sunday as President Barack Obama nears completion of his first year in office.

    “[Obama] said there would be a change in the climate in Washington,” McCain said. “There’s been a change. It’s more partisan. It’s more bitterly divided than it’s been.”

    McCain, when prodded by host Chris Wallace on “Fox News Sunday,” said that the administration “in some ways, of course” more partisan than the White House under President Bill Clinton.

    “At least under ‘Hillarycare’ they tried seriously to negotiate with Republicans,” McCain said.

    “There’s been — there has been no effort that I know of that — serious across-the-table negotiations, such as I have engaged in with Democrats and with other administrations. And that was the commitment that the president made.”

    The senator also criticized how Obama gave himself an B+ grade in talking with Oprah Winfrey, bumping himself up to an A- if healthcare reform goes through.

    “Well, I would still give him an incomplete, because I still think we can win overtime on this healthcare issue,” McCain said. “I think he has found out in Copenhagen in some rather bizarre scenarios that maybe it’s more important to be respected than to be loved.”

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/73113-mccain-obama-administration-has-been-more-partisan-than-clinton-white-house

  188. US press cool over Obama-backed climate deal

    WASHINGTON — US editorial pages gave a cool response Sunday to what President Barack Obama called an “unprecedented” 11th-hour, non-binding deal on climate change during talks in Copenhagen.

    The Washington Times lambasted what it called “flop” proceedings between world leaders during the United Nations Climate Change Conference in the Danish capital, calling Friday “Obama’s cold day in Denmark.”

    “The promised treaty — billed with the characteristic understatement of the alarmist community as ‘the single most important piece of paper in the world today’ — was an anticlimax,” it said.

    “The final three-page version was tossed together in the closing hours with little deliberation and wound up saying little.

    “The much-ballyhooed treaty promises next to nothing, other than a 100-billion-dollar slush fund for Third World dictators to ‘adapt to climate change,’ which probably involves buying mansions in southern France.”

    The Washington Post said the agreement was not bold, noting that many of the details have yet to be set. But it welcomed a commitment by developing countries to a verification regime as “an important step”.

    “Governments must do better,” it added, pointing to a UN report leaked earlier this month that found that pledged emission cuts would likely allow far more warming than the two degrees Celsius (35.6 Fahrenheit) threshold beyond which most scientists say global warming could have disastrous consequences. The newspaper urged the US Senate to take up climate legislation now stalled in Congress.

    “Reducing America’s dependence on foreign sources of energy and tackling domestic pollution are strong enough reasons to pass a bill,” it added. “Vigorous debate should commence.”

    On Saturday, The Wall Street Journal said the Copenhagen talks offered “a lesson in limits for a White House partial to symbolic gestures and routinely disappointed by reality.”

    Echoing those sentiments, the San Francisco Chronicle noted the deal was a “face-saving result” and provided “a humbling lesson in complexity, economic rivalries and financial risks.” It urged California to take on the climate change fight and serve as a pioneer in the field.

    The Journal called the Copenhagen deal “a pre-emptive dead letter because countries like China, Brazil and India said they were unwilling to accept anything that depressed their economic growth.”

    Noting that China, the world’s biggest polluter, would likely continue to get a “free climate pass,” it said “we can’t wait to hear Mr Obama tell Americans that he wants them to pay higher taxes so the US can pay China to become more energy efficient and thus more economically competitive.”

    The White House had earlier sought to rally support for the contentious deal Obama brokered at the UN-backed climate talks by listing prominent Americans who back the plan. A White House release included quotes from environmentalists, industry leaders and top lawmakers from Obama’s Democratic Party praising the “breakthrough” that would “lay the foundation for international action in the years to come.”

    Michael Eckhart, head of the American Council on Renewable Energy, applauded Obama’s “wisdom in achieving an agreement on the aspirational goal.”

    Nike vice president Hannah Jones praised the president’s “sense of urgency and recognition that companies need certainty and a level playing field” to move to a low-carbon economy.

    National Wildlife Federation chief Larry Schweiger was more nuanced, noting that although all top polluters have made pledges to cut emissions from the heat-trapping gases, “the deal is incomplete.”

    The 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, Senator John Kerry, hailed Obama’s “hands-on engagement,” saying it “sets the stage for a final deal and for Senate passage this spring of major legislation at home.”

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi praised the “critical agreement.”

    Others were not as charitable.

    Bill McKibben, founder of the environmentalist group 350.org, said the final declaration reflected “that small and poor countries don’t matter, that international civil society doesn’t matter and that serious limits on carbon don’t matter.”

    American Petroleum Institute president Jack Gerard said Friday that his oil and gas industry trade group agrees with Obama “on the importance of addressing global climate change.” But he criticized the leading proposals in Congress on the issue.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j9Tex87oXT8h1dGGJr3h3olP7Nyw

  189. Barack Obama denies accusations that he ‘crashed’ secret Chinese climate change talks

    Senior US officials insist that President Barack Obama did not “crash” a secret Chinese meeting in the final dramatic hours of the Copenhagen climate change talks.

    By Philip Sherwell in New York
    19 Dec 2009

    They portrayed the President as pulling negotiations back from the brink of collapse on a day that veered between chaos and farce. Aides said that by standing up to the Chinese on the make-and-break issue of transparency, he helped force a deal, however flimsy.

    The President was desperate not to return to Washington empty-handed after his risky one-day dash to Denmark. But his aides were forced to deny that Mr Obama “crashed” a meeting of the Chinese, Indian, South African and Brazilian leaders when he walked in unexpectedly on the gathering.

    The US delegation was caught unawares by the session taking place behind its back involving the Chinese and their allies. Officials acknowledged that they had been frantically trying to keep track of other presidents and premiers.

    Mr Obama thought he was on his way to a one-to-one meeting with Wen Jiabao, the Chinese premier, who had earlier snubbed him by skipping a session of world leaders. But just before he entered the room, he was told that the other three leaders there too. “Good,” he told aides and strode in with the words “Are you ready for me?” The Americans were particularly taken aback by the presence of Manmohan, the Indian premier, as they were told he had already headed to the airport.

    “I think there was no doubt there was some surprise that we were going to join the bigger meeting,” said a top Obama aide.

    It was during the 80-minute meeting with the other four that the final details were hammered out. Earlier in the day, at a one-to-one with Mr Wen, Obama aides said the president pushed the Chinese premier “hard” on transparency language. Mr Wen apparently took offence because when world leaders gathered later, he was notably absent. Beijing was instead represented by the climate change ambassador in the ministry of foreign affairs.

    A senior US official said: “The President said to staff, I don’t want to mess around with this anymore, I want to just talk with Premier Wen”. But the Americans were told that Mr Wen had left for his hotel and Mr Singh had already headed to the airport. The day meanwhile seemed destined for deadlock Mr Obama returned to the meeting with Gordon Brown and other European leaders.

    Obama aides said that he courted support from the others present for pushing ahead with a deal, even without the backing of China and possibly India, South Africa and Brazil which shared some of Beijing’s concerns.

    The White House argued that it was this approach that created the leverage that persuaded the four to have “make one more run at this” “The senior official said: “I think that’s why people stowed their luggage in their overhead bins and decided to come back [from the airport] to the negotiating table.”

    Without even having time to sign the agreement, the president had to dash to the airport to fly home before a winter blizzard slammed the East coast. By the time he woke up in a snowbound Washington, the so-called “Copenhagen Accord” that he had brokered the previous evening was already unraveling.

    Negotiators at the talks gave the deal only the most tepid thumbs-up. They chose to “take note” of the agreement but failed to adopt it as an official decision of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change.

    Speaking at the White House on Saturday, Mr Obama called the agreement an “important breakthrough that lays the foundation” for further progress in years to come. “We know it’s not enough,” he said. “We have a long way to go and I want America to continue to lead on this journey.”

    The president had already acknowledged the limitations of the “deal” when he was asked how confident he felt about securing a legally-binding agreement at next year’s climate change summit in Mexico City. “I think it is going to be very hard and it’s going to take some time,” he said after a day of drama that bordered on farce. He made clear that the ultimate goal was to “press ahead with something more binding”.

    But the agreement secured by Mr Obama lost wording from earlier drafts that calling for a binding accord “as soon as possible”, and no later than at November’s meeting in Mexico. Instead, the final version stated only that the agreement should be reviewed and put in place by 2015.

    Mr Obama’s aspiration to lead the world on climate change has been seriously undermined by the failure of the US Congress to reach agreement on the issue.

    Senator John Kerry, lead author of the Senate’s stalled climate change bill, expressed hope that the agreement would give fresh impetus for legislation early next year. “This can be a catalysing moment,” he said on Friday. “President Obama’s hands-on engagement broke through the bickering and sets the stage for a final deal and for Senate passage this spring of major legislation at home.”

    But the accord set no target for concluding a binding international treaty, leaving the implementation of its provisions uncertain and fuelling criticism that it was more of a sham than a breakthrough. It is expected to face several months, very possibly years, of follow-up negotiations before any internationally enforceable agreement can be reached.

    Also dropped from earlier drafts was a collective agreement among nations to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 50 percent by 2050.

    Nonetheless, some US environmental groups gave a cautious nod of approval. “The world’s nations have come together and concluded a historic – if incomplete – agreement to begin tackling global warming,” Carl Pope, executive director of the Sierra Club, said on Friday. “Tonight’s announcement is but a first step and much work remains to be done in the days and months ahead in order to seal a final international climate deal that is fair, binding and ambitious. It is imperative that negotiations resume as soon as possible.”

    But other US environmentalists were scathing of the president. Mr Obama may become known as “the man who killed Copenhagen,” said Greenpeace US head Phil Radford.
    And Bill McKibbon of the liberal climate change pressure group 350.org, said: “The president has wrecked the UN and he’s wrecked the possibility of a tough plan to control global warming. It may get Obama a reputation as a tough American leader, but it’s at the expense of everything progressives have held dear.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6845952/Barack-Obama-denies-accusations-that-he-crashed-secret-Chinese-climate-change-talks.html

  190. JanH, I don’t believe the idiot brokered any deal in COpenhagen, I know he blew the deal in Copenhagen, it is more lies from the press.

    McCain saying there has been no brokering with the GOP, I say bullshit, the bill has there signature all over it. Its what the GOP wanted more or less, it sure isn’t what the dims wanted.

  191. Look at this, and they don’t believe there is an effort to bankrupt the U. S. From Time

    U.S. Companies Shut Out as Iraq Auctions Its Oil Fields
    By Vivienne Walt Saturday, Dec. 19, 2009

    Those who claim that the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003 to get control of the country’s giant oil reserves will be left scratching their heads by the results of last weekend’s auction of Iraqi oil contracts: Not a single U.S. company secured a deal in the auction of contracts that will shape the Iraqi oil industry for the next couple of decades. Two of the most lucrative of the multi-billion-dollar oil contracts went to two countries which bitterly opposed the U.S. invasion — Russia and China — while even Total Oil of France, which led the charge to deny international approval for the war at the U.N. Security Council in 2003, won a bigger stake than the Americans in the most recent auction. “[The distribution of oil contracts] certainly answers the theory that the war was for the benefit of big U.S. oil interests,” says Alex Munton, Middle East oil analyst for the energy consultancy Wood Mackenzie, whose clients include major U.S. companies. “That has not been demonstrated by what has happened this week.”
    (Read “The Reasons Behind Big Oil Declining Iraq’s Riches”)

    In one of the biggest auctions held anywhere in the 150-year history of the oil industry, executives from across the world flew into Baghdad on Dec. 11 for a two-day, red-carpet ceremony at the Oil Ministry, broadcast live in Iraq. With U.S. military helicopters hovering overhead to help ward off a possible insurgent attack, Oil Minister Hussein Al-Shahrastani unsealed envelopes from each company, stating how much oil it would produce, and what it was willing to accept in payment from Iraq’s government. Rather than giving foreign oil companies control over Iraqi reserves, as the U.S. had hoped to do with the Oil Law it failed to get the Iraqi parliament to pass, the oil companies were awarded service contracts lasting 20 years for seven of the 10 oil fields on offer — the oil will remain the property of the Iraqi state, and the foreign companies will pump it for a fixed price per barrel.

    Far from behaving like the war-ravaged, bankrupt country that it is, Iraq heavily weighted the contracts in its own favor, demanding a low per-barrel price and signing bonuses of up to $150 million. Only one U.S. company, Occidental Petroleum Corp., joined the bidding last weekend, and lost. (ExxonMobil had hoped to land the lucrative Rumaila field, but lost out to an alliance between the Chinese National Petroleum Company and BP because it declined the Iraqi government’s $2-a-barrel fee.)

    Russia’s Lukoil, CNPC, and RoyalDutchShell accepted fees of between $1.15 and $1.40 for every barrel they produce — that’s about 2% of Friday’s oil futures price of $73 a barrel. “No one thinks it will be easy to make money on these contracts,” says Samuel Ciszuk, Middle East energy analyst at IHS Global Insight, an economic forecasting company in London. “Companies have been willing to come in very, very low just to get their foot in the door in Iraq.”

    The lure is obvious: Iraq’s 115 billion barrels of known oil reserves are outmatched only by Saudi Arabia, Canada and Iran, and geologists believe vast amounts more lie unexplored in the Western Desert. With 2.4 million barrels a day in production, the country was until this week up for grabs for foreign oil companies, in contrast to other big oil nations, where Big Oil is shut out: Iran is off limits because of sanctions, and Saudi Arabia’s government controls its oil fields, as does Kuwait.
    (Watch a video about the gas shortage in Iraq.)

    Still, there are daunting challenges: Iraq’s lethal risks will require companies to spend millions on security. Political uncertainty continues, with the oil law governing the sharing of revenues remaining stalled and disputes over oil contracts raising the tension between Baghdad and the autonomous Kurdish enclave in the north. An election scheduled for next March could see a change of government in Iraq, and on Friday Iranian troops reportedly seized control of an oil field along a disputed section of border. Some analysts believe that Iran is deliberately attempting to shake the oil industry’s confidence in Iraq, by reminding investors that several oil fields traverse disputed border areas with Iran. Iran — like other big oil producers — might also fear that a dramatic increase in Iraqi output could send world oil prices plummeting.

    Clearly, there’s no shortage of uncertainties facing investors in Iraqi oil. And then there are the problems of decrepit wells, aging pipelines, storage facilities, and export ports incapable of handling large volumes. Still, says Ciszuk: “Most oil people think it is better to be part of those challenges than not being part of it.”

    The auction represents an astonishing transformation for Iraq. In just a few months, it has become a major oil power with the potential to overtake the world’s biggest producer, Saudi Arabia. In a previous bid round last June, Iraq handed control to the giant Rumaila field near Basra to Britain’s BP, while ExxonMobil later took an 80% stake in another huge field, West Qurna Phase 1, and plan to eventually pump 2.5 million barrels a day. Now, Baghdad officials say they aim to harness the know-how and technology of their foreign partners to pump about 12 million barrels a day by 2017. “It is difficult for any major oil company not to be in Iraq,” Total’s global exploration and production chief Yves-Louis Darricarrére told TIME last month. Despite intense negotiations, the French company was outbid by an alliance of Shell and Malaysia’s Petronas for Iraq’s giant Majnoon field. Total CEO Christophe de Margerie told TIME last Sunday that he had put in a “fair bid,” and that he doubted his competitors would make solid profits in Iraq, given the stiff terms.

    That might have been the thinking of U.S. oil giants, which largely stayed away from last week’s bidding, and which have failed to negotiate oil deals with Iraq’s government outside of the public auction process. Iraqi officials say they are not awarding contracts based on political considerations, but simply a straight comparison of prices and production targets. “The bidding was extremely tough,” said one official in Baghdad, in an email. “My guess is that [the U.S. companies] could not match the offers from others.” In Iraq, at least, the victor has no special claim on the spoils of war.

  192. It seems as Iraq auctioned off their oil fields recently and NO U.S. company was invited for the auction. So the war that broke America was just that, we are not able to get back any of our money. We lost the lives of our children so France could have the oil wells. Its in time magazine.

  193. Only one U.S. company, Occidental Petroleum Corp., joined the bidding last weekend, and lost. (ExxonMobil had hoped to land the lucrative Rumaila field, but lost out to an alliance between the Chinese National Petroleum Company and BP because it declined the Iraqi government’s $2-a-barrel fee.)

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948787,00.html#ixzz0aFp2YiMt

    Everyone got to bid including us, They just didn’t secure any contracts…did you read the article?

  194. Well, Mrs. Smith, I watched the 12 part series The Fall of The Republic. A couple observations:

    1. first, that Senator Ben Nelson who caved and gave Reid the sixtieth vote for closure on this health care miasma is also the one who killed a proposal to audit the federal reserve, after chairman bernake refused to tell congress which banks his agency gave the trillion dollars in taxpayer bailouts to, and went on to claim that he did not know which foreign banks his agency an additional trillion in taxpayer bailouts to. Nelson is a hatchet man and the voters of Nebraska need to know it.

    2, second, the name for Barack Obama should be “Shaft”. He plays that role better than Richard Roundtree did in those blacksploitation genre of the 1970’s. His target is not a gullible movie audience, but the middle class, and those who were ignorant enough to buy into the hope and change nonsense.

  195. What Obama has lost is the fear factor. He may be loved as a global celebrity just like Michael Jackson. But respected–no one iota. Feared? Only like a bad joke.

  196. Coca-Cola, who of course introduced the modern Santa in its advertising in the 1930’s….

    ==========================

    In the Narnia books there’s Father Christmas who is pretty close to SC. I doubt that author got him from Coke. 😉

  197. wbboei
    December 20th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    What Obama has lost is the fear factor. He may be loved as a global celebrity just like Michael Jackson. But respected–no one iota. Feared? Only like a bad joke.

    ====================

    Suddenly I’m seeing Obama in the Thriller video.

  198. a slowly emerging story countering the latest Cinton scandal book…and from the New York Times of all places.

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    December 19, 2009

    F.B.I. Accused of Abuse of Power in Clinton Case

    By PETER BAKER

    WASHINGTON — A former director of the Secret Service said Friday that the F.B.I. had engaged in an “abuse of power” by trying to pressure him to “give us the president” during the investigation of President Bill Clinton’s interactions with Monica Lewinsky a decade ago.

    The official, Lewis C. Merletti, who headed the former president’s protective detail and later became the agency’s director, said in an interview that the Federal Bureau of Investigation had grilled him just days before Mr. Clinton left office in a last-ditch effort to prove that his agents had covered up and even facilitated extramarital flings.

    Mr. Merletti said that the F.B.I. alleged that he and Mr. Clinton had concocted this deal: in exchange for Mr. Merletti’s stonewalling questions about Ms. Lewinsky, Mr. Clinton would not only appoint him director of the Secret Service but would also provide him women for sexual encounters.

    “They said to me, ‘You’re the last person who can give us the president, and you’re going to give him to us,’ ” Mr. Merletti recalled. He called it “disgraceful” and said of the F.B.I., “They became involved in a political game, and in the end they tarnished themselves beyond belief.”

    The sensational accusation surfaced first in a new book on the long battle between Mr. Clinton and Kenneth W. Starr, the independent counsel who investigated the Whitewater land deal and the president’s involvement with Ms. Lewinsky, a young White House aide. Mr. Starr’s investigation into the Lewinsky matter led the House to impeach Mr. Clinton in 1998 for perjury and obstruction of justice, but the Senate acquitted him in 1999.

    Mr. Merletti confirmed the book’s account in an interview on Friday and further described his interactions with the bureau. The F.B.I. special agent who interrogated him, Jennifer Gant, could not be reached Friday but was quoted in the book saying she could not recall making the accusations Mr. Merletti recounted. Paul Bresson, an F.B.I. spokesman, declined to comment.

    Reached in California, where he is now dean of the law school at Pepperdine University, Mr. Starr said he did not want to talk about interactions between the F.B.I. and the Secret Service during his investigation. Robert W. Ray, who succeeded Mr. Starr, did not respond to telephone or e-mail messages late Friday.

    The new book, “The Death of American Virtue: Clinton vs. Starr,” written by Ken Gormley, a law professor at Duquesne University, and published by Crown, re-examines the scandals and investigations that marked Mr. Clinton’s presidency and adds new details to the public understanding of them. Mr. Gormley secured unusual cooperation from nearly all of the main players, including Mr. Clinton, Mr. Starr and Ms. Lewinsky.

    As first reported by Politico, the book quotes Ms. Lewinsky as saying that she believed Mr. Clinton did lie under oath to a grand jury and asserts that the former president, while he was Arkansas’s governor, did have a romantic affair with Susan McDougal, his onetime Whitewater partner who went to jail rather than testify against him.

    It also reports that Susan Webber Wright, the federal judge who oversaw the Paula Jones sexual harassment case in which Mr. Clinton was asked about his relationship with Ms. Lewinsky under oath, considered finding Mr. Clinton in criminal contempt during the Senate trial, a move that could have changed the outcome. Instead, Judge Wright waited until two months after the trial to find him in contempt.

    And the book says that Mr. Starr’s successor, Mr. Ray, had been prepared to indict Mr. Clinton right after he left the White House if he did not agree to admit misconduct. On his last full day in office, Mr. Clinton acknowledged that he had given false testimony about Ms. Lewinsky and agreed to the suspension of his law license.

    Aides to Mr. Clinton, who gave the author three interviews, declined to comment on Friday, as did Ms. Lewinsky.

    In an interview, Mr. Starr said he had not read the book yet but expressed faith in the author. “I have the highest regard for Ken Gormley,” he said. “He’s very intelligent, he’s very comprehensive and he’s very thorough.”

    The book rejects the image of Mr. Starr as a rabid zealot out to get Mr. Clinton, but concludes he deferred to his prosecutors and should have followed his instinct to turn the Lewinsky matter over to Congress without summoning the president to testify before a grand jury. Mr. Starr said Friday that “reasonable minds can differ on that” but added, “All things considered, we took the best course.”

    The battle between investigators and the Secret Service led all the way to the Supreme Court. Mr. Starr wanted agents to testify about what they saw to prove that Mr. Clinton was lying about his interactions with Ms. Lewinsky. The Secret Service, led by Mr. Merletti, argued that forcing agents to testify would destroy the trust necessary to protect the president’s life, but the Supreme Court rejected the argument.

    Mr. Merletti, now a senior vice president for the Cleveland Browns, revealed more details about the fight in the book and the interview. He said he believed that the F.B.I. was trying to “set up” the Secret Service or the president.

    He recalled that in August 1998, the F.B.I. told him a dress owned by Ms. Lewinsky did not have the president’s DNA on it, even though it did, apparently to try to catch Mr. Merletti in a conspiracy if he passed along the false information to Mr. Clinton.

    The meeting where he said he was accused of trading silence for a promotion came in January 2001, long after the Senate trial.

    “They came up with this theory that I entered into a deal with the president where I would keep my mouth shut about Monica Lewinsky — which I had no idea was going on — and in return I would become director of the Secret Service,” Mr. Merletti said Friday.

    “They then went on to say that I went on to tell the president, ‘Well, I not only want to be director, but you have to supply me with women.’ ” Mr. Merletti said he was still flabbergasted. “I’m not kidding,” he said. “It was like, ‘Are you out of your mind?’ ”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/19/us/politics/19clinton.html?_r=1

  199. wbboei
    December 20th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    Well, Mrs. Smith, I watched the 12 part series The Fall of The Republic.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Excellent observation on Nelson, wbb.

    The videos are brutally honest and why I recommend everyone see them. They capture Obama selling his promises to the public during the campaign to win their support. When his promises become due and payable to the people who elected him based on what he said he would do for them, evaporate into thin air. Obama is nowhere to be found to explain himself. And Gibbs becomes a bumbling, mumbling idiot when asked why Obama is recanting his campaign promises.

    Al Gore shamed himself at the Congressional hearing on Global Warming using (worse than anecdotal evidence) a theoretical comparison of a staged moon landing in AZ comparing it to the (less than) accurate conclusions by the AGW scientists.

    Al Gore didn’t blink and eye when Rep Scalise said what about all the jobs that will be exported (to developing countries) should the Climate Treaty become a reality.

    (We dodged a bullet on that one folks. We still have our sovereignty intact after the thankfully disastrous Copenhagen fiasco. And for all intents and purposes Obama’s arrogance and lack of negotiating skills in Copenhagen Circus produced another predictable result, FAILURE. (Maybe if the Chinese prime minister was a “hoopster” he could have bet him the first to get 3 out of 5 baskets agrees to sign the agreement with all noted conditions.)

    Our next hurdle is to fight Obama’s plan Domestically having the EPA declare CO2, one of the four building blocks of life, a threat and a danger to humankind. This will be his next move to have Congress legislate a Carbon Tax on citizens and Cap and Trade on businesses. This phony ploy to extort money and power over citizens has to be stopped dead in it’s tracks.

  200. JanH, I am still trying to figure out how this new book fits into the big picture. Looks like the rethugs pushed the FBI to hang Bill, but we all knew this, at least the ones who gave Bill the benefit of the doubt. However, I wonder if this book is to exonerate Ken Starr or Bill Clinton??

  201. I try not to watch too much of Alex Jones as he is a HIllary hater, although he is right on about a lot of things. I think he is right on about the Bilderbergs.

  202. I want to clarify one thing on these videos, they boast that Clinton gave us Nafta. Well it did not orignate with his administration, it originated with Bush I, the master of the one world govt.

  203. “They then went on to say that I went on to tell the president, ‘Well, I not only want to be director, but you have to supply me with women.’ ” Mr. Merletti said he was still flabbergasted. “I’m not kidding,” he said. “It was like, ‘Are you out of your mind?’ ”
    h/w
    nytimes.com/2009/12/19/us/politics/19clinton.html?_r=1

    =================================

    This is the kind of garbage that the enemies of the Clintons and Gore and Palin are always throwing at them. I don’t think we have to dig deeply into their garbage in order to say it is garbage.

  204. An excellent article by reverend amy at no quarter–

    Do You Smell Something In The Air? Hugo Chavez Does In Copenhagen
    By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on December 20, 2009 at 11:30 AM in China, Current Affairs, Environment, Foreign Policy, George Bush, Health Care, Hoodwinking, Hugo Chavez, PM Gordon Brown, President Barack Obama, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, United Kingdom, United Nations

    Oh, what a turn of events, and so quickly, too. Remember when Hugo Chavez called Bush “the devil” at another UN meeting? Many of us thought that was hilarious. Here’s the clip as a reminder:

    Yes, yes, that was mighty funny. Finally, someone was saying what so many of us lefties thought.

    Then, at the end of this past September, Chavez turned his, um, aromatic rhetoric on Obama, who came out smelling like a rose:

    Oh, blech. Anyone smell any hope up in here? Yeah, me neither.

    Well, that was then. Now, Chavez’s olfactory senses are being assaulted again, this time by Obama:

    See, I told you Obama was like Bush (and not just because of Chavez)! Oh, this is just too, too rich. I bet Obama didn’t see THAT one coming!

    Now I have no particular love lost for Chavez, though I do appreciate that his country sent a whole bunch of heating oil up to New England during Bush’s presidency. Regardless how you feel about him, this is funny.

    But it isn’t just Chavez who is turning on Obama. It seems many in the World Community are seing the “Citizen of the World” for who he is. The more Obama traipses around talking, taling, talking, the more they get it. Yes, this headline from the Guardian (UK) pretty much says it all, Barack Obama’s Speech Disappoints And Fuels Frustration At Copenhagen,US president offers no further commitment on reducing emissions or on finance to poor countries.

    Oh dear. That doesn’t bode well for Obama from the get-go:
    Barack Obama stepped into the chaotic final hours of the Copenhagen summit today saying he was convinced the world could act “boldly and decisively” on climate change.
    But his speech offered no indication America was ready to embrace bold measures, after world leaders had been working desperately against the clock to try to paper over an agreement to prevent two years of wasted effort — and a 10-day meeting — from ending in total collapse.

    Obama, who had been skittish about coming to Copenhagen at all unless it could be cast as a foreign policy success, looked visibly frustrated as he appeared before world leaders.

    He offered no further commitments on reducing emissions or on finance to poor countries beyond Hillary Clinton’s announcement yesterday that America would support a $100bn global fund to help developing nations adapt to climate change.

    He did not even press the Senate to move ahead on climate change legislation, which environmental organisations have been urging for months.

    Nope. Of course he didn’t. He’s too busy pushing this “Health Care” policy that the majority of Americans do not want, apparently to feed his own ego. He sure isn’t going to push them on something for which he cannot claim sole credit. C’mon already!

    As for what Obama said in Copenhagen:
    The president’s speech followed the publication of draft text, obtained by the Guardian this morning, that reveals the enormous progress needed from world leaders in the final hours of the Copenhagen climate change summit to achieve a strong deal. The draft says countries “ought” to limit global warming to 2C, but crucially does not bind them to do so. The text, drafted by a select group of 28 leaders – including UK prime minister, Gordon Brown – in the early hours of this morning, also proposes extending negotiations for another year until the next scheduled UN meeting on climate change in Mexico City in December 2010.
    In his address, Obama did say America would follow through on his administration’s clean energy agenda, and that it would live up to its pledges to the international community.

    “We have charted our course, we have made our commitments, and we will do what we say,” Obama said.

    But in the absence of any evidence of that commitment the words rang hollow and there was a palpable sense of disappointment in the audience.

    Instead, he warned African states and low island nations who have been resisting what they see as a weak agreement that the later alternative — no agreement — was far worse.

    “We know the fault lines because we’ve been imprisoned by them for years. But here is the bottom line: we can embrace this accord, take a substantial step forward, and continue to refine it and build upon its foundation,” he said.

    “Or we can again choose delay, falling back into the same divisions that have stood in the way of action for years. And we will be back having the same stale arguments month after month, year after year – all while the danger of climate change grows until it is irreversible.”

    Well, I guess he chose delay, because there is nothing concrete about the “deal” that came out of all of this. But Obama wasn’t done:
    He also took a dig at China, drawing attention to its status as the world’s biggest emitter and reinforcing America’s hardline on the issue of accountability for greenhouse gas emissions.
    The lacklustre speech proved a huge frustration to a summit that had been looking to Obama to use his stature on the world stage – and his special following among African leaders – to try to come to an ambitious deal.

    The president was drawn into the chaos within minutes of his arrival at Copenhagen, ditching his schedule to take part in a meeting of major industrialised and rapidly emerging economies.

    Responding to Obama’s speech, a British official said: “Gordon Brown is committed to doing all he can and will stay until the very last minute to secure a deal… but others also need to show the same level of commitment. The prospects of a deal are not great.”

    I believe he was talking to Obama, don’t you? I love Obama lecturing China, too. That is rich. He might want to be a tad careful before they call in all of their chits. We’d be bumming if that happened.

    People abroad are opening their eyes on this “Citizen of the World”:
    Many reactions were strongly critical of Obama. Hugo Chávez, the president of Venezuela, described Obama’s speech as “ridiculous” and the US’s initial offer of a $10bn fund for poor countries in the draft text as “a joke”.
    Tim Jones, a spokesman for the World Development Movement, said: “The president said he came to act, but showed little evidence of doing so. He showed no awareness of the inequality and injustice of climate change. If America has really made its choice, it is a choice that condemns hundreds of millions of people to climate change disaster.”

    Friends of the Earth said in a statement, “Obama has deeply disappointed not only those listening to his speech at the UN talks, he has disappointed the whole world.”

    The World Wildlife Fund said Obama had let down the international community by failing to commit to pushing for action in Congress: “The only way the world can be sure the US is standing behind its commitments is for the president to clearly state that climate change will be his next top legislative priority.”

    The extent of crisis in the talks has taken leaders by surprise. The Brazilian leader, Lula da Silva, told the conference that the all-night negotiating sessions took him back to his days as a trade union leader negotiating with his bosses.

    There’s that Chavez again exposing Obama’s lack of real action. Not to mention an organization we have supported for many, many years now, the World Wildlife Fund. I think the “Friends of the Earth” sum it up nicely: “…he has disappointed the whole world.” Surely now the “whole world” realizes he hoodwinked them, too, with his “lofty” (empty) rhetoric. All talk, no action, just like we have been saying.

    Ah, well – I guess they have learned their lesson, too, like some in the States are now. Maybe next time, they, along with those in this country, won’t be taken in by a charlatan. That doesn’t help for the moment, but maybe we will all be wiser next time around (that’s a collective “we,” not us specifically, as I posted recently). Our country depends upon it. And the world just might, too.

  205. JanH
    December 20th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    a slowly emerging story countering the latest Cinton scandal book…and from the New York Times of all places.

    —————

    December 19, 2009

    F.B.I. Accused of Abuse of Power in Clinton Case

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    It was during the persecution and subsequent Impeachment of President Bill Clinton that I became a Clinton supporter. I remember the frustration of the Neocons egged on by GHWB, who’s bitter hatred of the Clintons became manifest because he lost the election to his wildcard opponent, WJC. At the time, GHWB had no idea of the role the electoral college played in a presidential election. When told he didn’t have the electoral votes necessary to win the presidency, Bush said: “huh, what are electoral votes; what have they got to do with the election?”

    Ken Starr is another matter. It was if he was told to do the hating for GHWB ‘doing whatever it takes’ to get the Clintons ousted from the WH. He definitely was a rabid zealot for the Bushes, if that word could even come close to defining the open animosity he displayed at times when he came up empty, when he thought he’d have them dead to rights with Whitewater.. All I can say is:

    “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to heaven, we were all going direct the other way – in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.” ….Charles Dickens

    With this exception noted: I doubt either the Bushes or Barack Hussein Obama would give up their presidential immunity as Bill Clinton did, risking all subject to scrutiny under the prosecutorial microscope, if any of their actions during their term as president would rise to the level of High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

  206. Ms.SMith, I am currently watching these videos and I have to say they seem to want to blame Clinton for the repeal of the Glass Steagle act. I posted something from Cannonfire about this, I believe it was the rethugs who wants it repeeled and Clinton allowed in the defense of some other law he thought was more important. You will have to find my previous post as I have forgotten the name of the law he wanted to keep.

    This sure is a hit piece on Bill Clinton, its hard to watch it as sometimes they even seem to let GWB off the hook. It all bullshit, thats why I don’t usually watch Alex Jones, He has CDS. His research never goes beyond Bill, when HW Bush is nothing but the devil incarnate.

  207. Mrs. Smith, I think we ought to go back as a people and fire all those presidents that are still alive for high crimes and misdemeanors. We can fire them because the still get secret service protection and a huge retirement. I am dead serious about this.

  208. holdthemaccountable, so that is the real bill, no changes?? The lefties on their blogs are saying they can change it before it comes into law.

  209. Only one U.S. company, Occidental Petroleum Corp., joined the bidding last weekend, and lost. (ExxonMobil had hoped to land the lucrative Rumaila field, but lost out to an alliance between the Chinese National Petroleum Company and BP because it declined the Iraqi government’s $2-a-barrel fee.)

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948787,00.html#ixzz0aFp2YiMt

    Everyone got to bid including us, They just didn’t secure any contracts…did you read the article?
    ————————————–
    So I guess we fought the Iraq War to protect the right of the Chinese Petroleum Company to buy their oil. Bush was a fool to start that war, and Obama is a fool to continue it. Let China protect those resources since they are the beneficiaries.

  210. confloyd: No. It’s as you suggest. Here’s a more from the same foxnews article:

    The Senate bill was heading toward a critical test vote set for after midnight early Monday.

    Nelson bluntly warned Saturday that even though he planned to vote for the Senate bill this coming week, that pledge might not apply to the version that emerges from the House and Senate negotiations.

    “If there are material changes in that conference report different from this bill that adversely affect the agreement, I reserve the right to vote against the next cloture vote,” he said. “Let me repeat it, I reserve the right to vote against the next cloture vote, if there are material changes to this agreement in the conference report. And I will vote against it if that is the case.”

    Cloture is the process of cutting off debate that requires 60 votes. Because the Democrats have exactly a 60-vote majority in the Senate, party leaders had to individually accommodate every holdout in their party to move the bill forward — particularly since no Republicans are on board.

    This resulted in a bill that looks very different from the House version.

    But despite the tenuous support on the Senate side, liberal Democrats continue to call for major revisions in the conference committee.

  211. #
    confloyd
    December 20th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    Mrs. Smith, I think we ought to go back as a people and fire all those presidents that are still alive for high crimes and misdemeanors. We can fire them because the still get secret service protection and a huge retirement. I am dead serious about this.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I know you are, connie- With the exception of the Clintons, (exonerated) From Nixon on, they’d all be in Gucci stripes in Leavenworth if they were subjected to the same level of scrutiny as the Clintons were..

    We’re snowed in tight today- I’m watching the movie, ‘Clear and Present Danger’, w/ Harrison Ford and Willam Dafoe. The movie was made in 1994 during the reign of the Clintons. It was nice to hear the actor playing the president say (after receiving a report, a contingent of our special envoys sent to Venezuela were attacked) “who would dare to attack the sovereign Nation of the United States?” Made me smile..

  212. Nelson looks like a low level mafia soldier right down to his ridiculous toupee. Is there anything worse than a bad toupee? I bet he has a pinkie ring too.

  213. Never ever commit suicide at Christmas, can you get a funeral organized 6 days before Xmas, not a bloody chance, seems funeral homes are run off their feet at this time of year.

    The funny thing is, the guy actually said to my sister “Might be able to do it before Christmas if there’s a cancellation”…..now how the f… does that work.

    I don’t know what to do, I am here, they are there, i can’t get there as flights are booked solid, weather is causing cancellations everywhere.

    Burying someone around christmas is like finding this years toy on the shelf, finding a crematorium or a plot, even worse.

    If my brother in law was’nt already dead, i could kill him for all this hell he’s putting my family through.

  214. “Might be able to do it before Christmas if there’s a cancellation”

    Keep your sense of humor, moononpluto. It’s a godsend at a time like this.

    GL with the arrangements.

  215. Here is one of my famous “off the subject” topics. It infuses politics and it is at the bottom of all that we are keening about. Beloved Leader is just a perfect embodimentof all that is wrong with the system because creatures like him are the ones who are drawn to American political life. That’s where the bucks are.

    There are many in our merry little gang who realize that we yawp and heave about Barky, his enablers, his imperious selfishness and the rest – but precious little is achieved by it. We certainly have the human need to just ventilate our spleens and there is a certain joy in that, but I think that there is something more fundamental that we fail to grapple with – something which is the source for just about all the travail and misery that we lament. I refer, of course, to money.
    Our political system is awash in money. Barky hauled in almost a billion dollars to usurp the last election; Bush did it the same way. The lobbyists rule in Washington. Their power over individual members of Congress is pitiable to watch. I’ve worked in the House of Representatives and I have seen it in action. It is more than sad and its implications are terrifying.
    The knowledge that this situation prevails in all the state capitals and in Washington prevents a great many talented people from running for public office. Let’s face it, most of the candidates in all the parties are flagrant phonies who don’t truly give a damn about real public service. They know that politics is a begging job, chasing after campaign millions virtually all of the time – and then the inevitable payback when it comes time to write legislation or vote.
    All those dollars are buying something – and it is a lot more than just “access”. It is special pleading, special consideration, favored treatment. Those like Soros who write those whopping big checks just see it as a business expense and they have the full satisfaction of knowing that they have truly “bought something”.
    The system has become so suppurated because of the rising importance and costs of TV advertising and polling. I know it has been tried before and failed, but I just know that SOMEHOW we can legislate and regulate so that a reasonable amount of airtime would be available for a reasonable time to candidates – gratis. The length of campaigns could be limited to a more reasonable time, say, three months. The costs would be a great deal lower, more better people would be willing to get in and the influence of the corporations and the fat cats would be correspondingly smaller.
    It would not be Nirvana, but it would be one helluva lot better than the disgusting unceasing cash derby we have now. I know it is a daunting problem but one day we will be compelled by sheer desperation to deal with a system which has shown such miserable results because it is, at bottom, about money and not about people.

    Merry Christmas

  216. Blue, I don’t know who you are, but you hit the nail on the head. I think this idea is great, but how to do it?? The tea party people realize there is something wrong as well as many other, if there was someway to get this moving, maybe we could do it before our country fails.

    I afraid the GlennBeck types are hollaring for their own personal gain and that MONEY, so how, with the exception of a revolution could we the average Joe and Jane Doe do this. Well it has to start at the grass roots level, thats for sure.

  217. wbboei, Just read over at the Obama File that Obama himself has put his millions into T-bills. Something is up for sure. Wish we could find out where GWB has his right now.

    BTW, everyone go to ObamaFile and look at the pic of Obama, it is weird!

  218. JanH, I think that book doesn’t exonerate wither Bill or Ken Starr. I just think it’s a topic people don’t give fig about anymore. Someone needs to inform the press, however.

  219. Mrs. Smith, I found some information about Gore and Strong and the Joyce Foundation. We need to investigate it. You can get alot of info about the deal on ObamaFile.

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