Forget The Obama Job Summit Publicity Stunt – We Need More Unemployment

Two days ago Barack Obama exploited U.S. Military Academy at West Point cadets as stage props for a publicity stunt. As of today confusion reigns over Obama’s escalation to retreat speech. Yesterday, testifying before the Armed Services Committee, Hillary Clinton and Robert Gates (as well as Admiral Mullen of the Joint Chiefs) stated that the troop draw down Obama proclaimed to start on July 2011 was less definite than advertised. Hillary Clinton specifically stated “I do not believe we have locked ourselves into leaving.”

Senator Lindsey Graham stated after the hearing, “Secretary of State Clinton said we’re not locked into withdrawing, which is music to my ears and I think will be bad news for the enemy. I hope that’s the final answer.” Senator Graham’s hopes were immediately dashed.

Chip Reid of CBS News, having heard the testimony by Hillary Clinton and Bob Gates as well as the “not locked in” that Senator Graham heard, asked Robert Gibbs at a White House briefing “if senators were incorrect calling the date a ‘target'”.

After the briefing, Gibbs went to the president for clarification. Gibbs then called me to his office to relate what the president said. The president told him it IS locked in – there is no flexibility. Troops WILL start coming home in July 2011. Period. It’s etched in stone. Gibbs said he even had the chisel.

Lindsey Graham will not be happy.

Two days after a major speech and confusion reigns supreme. Obama needs to lose his job.

Instead of having the decency to resign from a job he is neither qualified nor experienced for, Barack Obama will instead today hold another publicity stunt. This time the jobless will be the stage props for the Obama publicity stunt. Anyone who doubts this “jobs summit” is anything but a publicity stunt should lose his/her job:

The White House forum comes just one day before the government releases the official unemployment figure for November. Expectations are that the job loss picture will remain grim: Outsourcing firm ADP Employer Services estimated Wednesday that 169,000 jobs were lost last month.

By scheduling its event for Thursday, the White House ensures that headlines about the administration’s unemployment-fighting efforts will dominate the Friday morning newspapers, just as Americans wake up to the bad news.

Publicity stunt Obama should immediately lose his job.

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Unqualified and inexperienced Barack Obama is not the only one who should lose his job.

Valerie Jarrett, should lose her job too. For many earlier reasons and now for defending Desiree Rogers (who should lose her job too) and stating there is no need for Rogers to testify before the House Homeland Security Committee investigating the breach of security at the State Dinner for the Prime Minister of India, Valerie Jarrett should lose her job. That is only the latest reason why Jarrett should get the heave-ho. The Secret Service should not take a bullet for the incompetence of Desiree Rogers.

The Chicago Reader reminds us that Alexi Giannoulias (we’ve written about him since 2007) should not be denied the Senate nomination to replace Obama he now wishes to buy. In addition Alexi Giannoulias should lose the job he has now. The Chicago Reader knows, and publishes that Giannoulias is a friend of Obama and a probable crook:

Four years ago Giannoulias was a 29-year-old officer at the bank, and known in political circles—if at all—as the guy who’d helped Barack Obama raise lots of money in the Greek community. Then Obama paid Giannoulias back, endorsing him in TV spots that propelled him to a come-from-behind win in the 2006 Democratic primary for treasurer. Victory transformed him into a promising young progressive with big prospects—until the media began reporting that Broadway Bank had given a series of loans to figures involved in organized crime or political corruption. Even as Giannoulias triumphed in the 2006 general election, critics accused him of being inexperienced, slick, and “ethically challenged.”

Now, after serving as treasurer for less than three years, Giannoulias thinks he’s ready to move up to the Senate…. [snip]

Among the recipients of loans while Alexi worked full-time at the bank were: Michael Giorango, a Florida developer who’s been convicted of running bookmaking and prostitution rings; Boris and Lev Stratievsky, a father-son team later convicted of laundering money for Ukrainian drug dealers; and Tony Rezko, the developer-businessman-political fixer who was eventually convicted of fraud and money laundering for his role in pay-to-play schemes during the administration of Governor Blagojevich. Giannoulias and current bank officials have said all of them were creditworthy when the loans were issued.

Another loan, for $1 million, was issued in 2002 to a woman whose family claims she was suffering from dementia—and that both Alexi, as the loan officer, and his brother Demetris, then the bank’s CFO, knew it but gave her the loan anyway. [snip]

That was true—but Giannoulias himself had overseen a couple of loans to Giorango in 2005, and the Tribune soon dug up records of those. The paper reported that one of those loans had been used to take out a mortgage on a marina in South Carolina that was home to a casino boat. One of the companies with a stake in the boat had been led by a Greek immigrant named Konstantinos Boulis, who’d been murdered in an apparent hit in 2001. The company was then sold to investors that included Jack Abramoff, the Washington lobbyist convicted on federal corruption charges in June 2006, before being sold back to Boulis’s nephew, Spiros Naos—who had donated $5,000 to Giannoulias’s campaign in December 2005.

Alexi Giannoulias should lose his job and lose the senate nomination race in Illinois. The Chicago Reader is to be complimented for the courage to publish this story. The Chicago Reader quotes a banking expert:

“Remember: when you take out a loan for a house or a car, they call your employer. They check your payroll records. When you take out a business loan, you are supposed to verify that this person has the financial wherewithal to pay them back. A good bank will go out and the loan officer will visit the borrower at the site, ask who their top customers are, talk to the top customers, see what the bill cycle is like. That’s what you’re supposed to do when you lend. If you don’t, and you just take someone’s word, that’s poor underwriting.”

Alexi Giannoulias should lose his job and join Antoin “Tony” Rezko in the court system.

Chris Dodd should lose his job and it looks as if 2010 will be pink slip day (we love pink).

No major Democrats back home in Connecticut have publicly come out in favor of easing Dodd out, but a handful of local pols and pundits are raising the possibility — a topic that would have seemed inconceivable a few years back when Dodd’s popularity impelled him to a presidential run. [snip]

He trails Simmons by 49 percent to 38 percent, while clocking an abysmal 54 percent disapproval rating with Connecticut voters, according to a Nov. 12 Quinnipiac poll.

But the really bad news, political professionals say, is that the five-term Democrat is simply too well-known ——and mistrusted — to move his numbers much more than he already has.

Chris Dodd is not the only Dimocrat who will lose his job soon. Other elected officials see the pink slips (we love pink) coming. Gary Ackerman, a Long Island New York Congressman, fears a loss to Republicans too and communicates that fear in an email:

This past Election Day brought a number of troubling omens for 2010 right here in Queens and Nassau:

· Republicans came away with both Queens City Council seats in my District
· Democrats lost control of the Nassau County Legislature
· The seemingly invincible Democratic Nassau County Executive lost what was viewed as unwinnable seat for the Republicans

Outside of New York, Republicans replaced progressive Democrats as Governors in New Jersey and Virginia. They’ve shown they can win in our community.

Gary Ackerman will have lots of Obama enabler company in 2010. Dimocrats finally know that 2010 will be the year of pink slips (we love pink). Now come the early, unexpected, “retirements”:

Tennessee Rep. John Tanner’s decision to step down at the end of his term has Democrats worried that a trickle of retirements will turn into a flood.

Democrats won their majority in 2006 — and built on it in 2008 — in large part by running conservative Democrats in Republican-leaning districts. But with Rep. Dennis Moore (D-Kan.) and Tanner now heading for the exits, there’s growing concern that the party’s strategy may be unraveling just in time for 2010.

“It’s the beginning of an avalanche on our side,” one Democratic strategist said. “Morale is bad, and we’re seeing guys in their 50s and 60s, who have some time left, who can make some money and have a phase two in their careers.”

Dimocrats who enabled Obama, Dimocrats who supported Obama in the primaries should lose their jobs.

In 2008 the New York State Democratic Party raised massive amounts of money from the gay community with the promise that if they finally took control of the New York State Senate they would pass a gay-marriage bill. Yesterday the New York State Senate decisively defeated such a bill. Every Dimocratic New York State Senator as well as every fundraiser of the New York Dimocratic Party who exploited the gay community and failed to deliver should lose their job.

Now that Comcast has purchased the network of General Electric – every host of MSNBC along with the “personalities” of the News Division at NBC should lose their jobs. Chris Matthews should lose his job immediately for his slur against West Point.

Treasury and Federal Reserve officials who enabled, who demanded, bailouts for Citibank should lose their jobs.

That had to be what Citigroup, with its firsthand expertise with bailouts, must have been thinking when it lent $8 billion to Dubai last year. Oh, and here’s an interesting fact: Citigroup made the loan to Dubai on Dec. 14, 2008. Take a look at the calendar — that’s after it received tens of billions in TARP funds. Citigroup’s chairman, Win Bischoff, said at the time, “This is in line with our commitment to the U.A.E. market in general, and reflects our positive outlook on Dubai in particular.” Good call.

Win Bischoff should lose his job too.

Obama Health insurance scam artists should lose their jobs. Obama economic scam enablers should lose their jobs:

“One of the worst consequences would be if the U.S. government promises 300 million people health care reform and health coverage for everyone – and then can’t pay for it,” said Ralph Neas, head of the National Coalition on Health Care, a group of business, labor and other groups. “There is going to be a considerable public backlash.”

Worse would be the economic effects. “It’s not just the health care system at stake,” Neas said. “It’s our economic system writ large. We cannot have a situation where costs continue to grow at this rate.”

Big Media Obama enablers withholding information on Obama should lose their jobs:

Why is the Los Angeles Times sitting on a videotape of the 2003 farewell bash in Chicago at which Barack Obama lavished praise on the guest of honor, Rashid Khalidi — former mouthpiece for master terrorist Yasser Arafat?

Is there just a teeny-weenie chance that this was an evening of Israel-bashing Obama would find very difficult to explain? Could it be that the Times, a pillar of the Obamedia, is covering for its guy?

ACORN leadership should all lose their jobs, if not their liberty.

The Dimocratic Party enablers of Obama should all lose their jobs. It will happen.

Forget about today’s Obama job summit publicity stunt. What we want to see is more pink slips (we love pink), and more job losses – for those that enabled Barack Obama.

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310 thoughts on “Forget The Obama Job Summit Publicity Stunt – We Need More Unemployment

  1. Watch Hillary slyly mock Obama by noting there is a lot of confusion with what Obama said. Hillary is doing “W.O.R.M.” (what obama really meant). Hillary is a laugh riot with her patience explaining what Obama cannot. Obama needs a TelePrompTer and an applauding audience and still fails. Hillary explains in a few words what Obama cannot.

  2. Admin. Obama is beginning to remind me of Adolph Hitler in the Fuerher bunker utterly detached from reality. This is a formula for failure. It is like giving your troop deployment and battle plan to the enemy. In a word, it is delusional. The only way it makes sense is in the campaign mode. It is counterproductive to governance. It is exactly as der spiegel said about a play about the French Revolution where the army marches in on one end of the stage to the sound of cannon fire and then marches out on the other end of the stage. Hillary tries to protect this guy from himself and from his borgia court of corrupt chicago inspired cabal of advisors, and because he has no sense of the responsibilities of leadership, only the imperatives of campaigning he fumbles the ball. This may not be music to Lindsey Grahams ears but it is certainly music to the ears of al Quaeda. They will be patient. Great job Barack. You are a failure on every level/

  3. Al-Qaeda Heads Terror ‘Mafia’ With Afghan Nexus, Clinton Says

    By Viola Gienger

    Dec. 3 (Bloomberg) — Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Defense Secretary Robert Gates highlighted links between al- Qaeda and militants in Afghanistan and beyond to drive home the need for a surge of U.S. troops amid congressional skepticism.

    In a second day of testimony on Capitol Hill, Gates, Clinton and Admiral Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, defended President Barack Obama’s plan to increase U.S. forces fighting the war in Afghanistan by 30,000 to 98,000.

    The three faced questions today from Democrats and Republicans on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on whether al-Qaeda’s diminished strength in Afghanistan negated the need for deepening U.S. involvement. The Obama administration is emphasizing the potential of instability in Afghanistan to ripple through the region and worldwide.

    The U.S. has increasingly come to see the various militant groups in Afghanistan, Pakistan and beyond not as separate “but as part of a syndicate of terrorism,” Clinton told the committee. “At the head of the table, like an old mafia diagram, sits al-Qaeda.”

    Afghanistan, along with areas across the border in Pakistan, remains the nexus of al-Qaeda’s operational and propaganda strength, Gates said. The U.S. has provided extensive resources to fight terrorism globally, he said.

    “It’s important to recognize where the whole nest is and to deal with that as well,” Gates told the panel.

    Easing Anxiety

    Obama’s top officials have begun a campaign of congressional and public appearances to ease Democrats’ anxiety over extending a war that already has dragged on for more than eight years. The officials are also trying to lessen Republican concerns that a simultaneous plan to begin a drawdown of troops in July 2011 will hamstring the effort.

    Senator John Kerry, the Massachusetts Democrat who chairs the panel, and Richard Lugar of Indiana, the senior Republican, questioned whether increasing the number of U.S. forces in the war by 30,000 to 98,000 would serve the purpose of protecting national security and justify the cost, estimated at about $30 billion. “I still remain concerned that additional troops will tempt us beyond a narrow and focused mission,” said Kerry, the Democratic nominee for president in 2004.

    Lugar raised questions of whether the U.S. is focusing too much on an insurgency in one area to quell a terrorist movement with cells in far-flung locations including the U.K., the U.S. and Somalia. “We have to ask whether the costs of this deployment are justified in our overall national security context and whether we are mistakenly concentrating our forces,” Lugar said.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqlbIZwRzjAM&pos=9

  4. The only time a commander in chief should disclose his bottom line to the enemy is if he is issuing an ultimatim and intends to pursue it to the end. In this case, the firm 18 month withdrawal time table communicates the opposite of what he should be communicating. Instead of communicating strength it communicates weakness. Add to this the fact that Obama is widely perceived as a flake by friends and foes alike it does nothing to enhance the image and stature of the US. Nor will it ingratiate him to the left. Why? Because he has broken too many promises to them already, hence he is not credible. I cannot imagine a worse scenario for him. Also, I believe Curly (Gibbs) was backing away from the 18 month deadline as well. So he cannot blame Hillary. This is symptomatic of a deeper problem which I have been harping on for sometime about him. It isnt just that he does not know what he is doing. It isnt just that he wants to avoid responsibility by voting present, it isnt that he is influenced most by the last person he talked to, it is also the fact that he has created a decision making bureaucracy which lacks a common vision, hence there is no closure and no finality to his decision. Campaigning is one thing, governing is something else and he is trying to govern through the endless campaign which causes him to stagger across the stage like a drunk. This is bad medicine/

  5. Secret Service agents could be fired for White House breach

    By Scott Wilson and Jason Horowitz
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, December 3, 2009

    Secret Service chief Mark Sullivan told a Congressional committee Thursday morning that the agents who admitted Tareq and Michaele Salahi through a White House checkpoint at last week’s state dinner have been placed on administrative leave and could lose their jobs. Sullivan’s testimony came during a hearing of the House Homeland Security Committee, at which he took full responsibility for the security failure. He said the agents face a range of disciplinary actions, including the possibility of being fired.

    Although the Salahis and White House social secretary Desirée Rogers were invited to testify as well, they refused, raising the possibility that they could be subpoenaed and required to tell their part of a story that has drawn international headlines.

    Rep. Peter King (N.Y.), the ranking Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee, reportedly has said he would support a subpoena for Rogers to testify about her role in how the couple made it inside the White House for the state dinner Nov. 24.

    White House press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters the Obama administration would fight any such effort to compel Rogers’s testimony. He told reporters that only rarely has White House staff been compelled to testify before Congress, citing Watergate and the review of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

    A reporter present for the morning briefing, helpfully reminded Gibbs of Whitewater, the investigation into Bill and Hillary Clinton’s financial affairs that unfolded during the Clinton administration. “There’s a pretty long history allowing White House staff to provide advice to the president confidentially and not have to testify before Congress,” Gibbs told reporters. “I don’t think even Peter King would have the audacity to put the Salahis in the same trifecta as Watergate, 9/11, and some of the financial deals.”

    Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, has said he intends to subpoena the Salahis if they do not come to the Hill voluntarily to testify.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/03/AR2009120301928_pf.html

  6. If you were Sun Tzu you could also disclose your bottom line for purposes of deception. Obama however is not Sun Tsu. He is Barry Sotero putting on the ritz. He is right out of Sweet Charity:

    If they could see me now,
    That little gang of mine,
    I’m eating fancy chow
    And drinking fancy wine.
    I’d like those stumble bums to see for a fact
    The kind of top drawer, first rate moneymen I attract.
    All I can say is “Wow-ee!
    Looka where I am.
    Tonight I landed, pow!
    Right in a pot of jam.
    What a set up! Holy cow!
    They’d never believe it,
    If my friends could see me now!

  7. Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, has said he intends to subpoena the Salahis if they do not come to the Hill voluntarily to testify.
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    I bet you he backs down. He is an Obama shill.

  8. Sinking ships ergo exiting rats:

    http://www.mainjustice.com/2009/12/03/dag-stepping-down/

    After less than a year as the Justice Department’s No. 2 official, David Ogden is returning to private practice, the department announced Thursday. His resignation will take effect on Feb. 5, allowing the Obama administration time to nominate his successor.

    Ogden, 56, co-chaired President Barack Obama’s Justice Department transition team and was confirmed as Deputy Attorney General in March. He is expected to return to Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale and Dorr, where he was co-chair of the government and regulatory litigation practice group.

    Rumors had circulated for weeks that Ogden was on his way out amid reports of bad morale at the Justice Department and displeasure with his management style.

  9. Rumors had circulated for weeks that Ogden was on his way out amid reports of bad morale at the Justice Department and displeasure with his management style.

    ——————
    Just replace “Ogden” with “Obama” and “Justice Department” with “White House” it would be a perfect fit.

  10. admin
    December 3rd, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    Sinking ships ergo exiting rats.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The exodus will do nothing but grow. The decent people working in the WH can see the writing on the wall. It won’t be long now before the implosion is obvious to everyone. The roof is falling in- get out now before the subpoenas start flying.

  11. Admin, What a great clip of Hillary being interviewed by the lameass Couric. Why the hell is she not POTUS, when she speaks I trust her, I think she is telling the truth. When the “One” speaks I think he is lying, why, he is an liar, cheater and thats how he got the position, so why believe a damn thing he says now. I think that what alot of folks feel like. He may be telling the truth sometimes, but no one will believe him.

  12. Now Obama is saying there is no money for jobs. I guess so after he gave to the likes of Soros to buy his Brazillian oil well. How many jobs has Soros created with that money?? If we give our tax payer money and it goes overseas or out of our country, someone needs to pay it back, afterall, its my/your money, and I don’t give one squat how many Brazillian got work from my freaking money. The rethugs are NO better, they will do this to us at an astounding level.

  13. Hillary said, “there are NO good terrorists”, gee I love this woman! She did not mince any words. So that means she believes the Taliban are terrorist which is different than what Biden and Obama says.

  14. Congratulations Madam Secretary

    ——————

    Secretary Clinton To Attend U.S. Global Leadership Coalition Dinner

    Bureau of Public Affairs, Office of the Spokesman
    Washington, DC

    December 3, 2009

    Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will attend the U.S. Global Leadership Coalition Dinner on Monday, December 7 at 7:00 p.m. at the Grand Hyatt Washington. The USGLC will honor Secretary Clinton for her lifelong commitment to public service and her efforts to elevate America’s smart power tools of development and diplomacy.

    NBC News’ Chief Foreign Affairs Correspondent Andrea Mitchell will serve as Master of Ceremonies and the dinner will be co-chaired by James Bell, Corporate President and CFO of the Boeing Company, and Richard Stearns, the President of World Vision.

    Grand Hyatt Washington
    Independence Ballroom
    1000 H Street, NW
    Washington, D.C.

    http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2009/dec/133084.htm

  15. Poll: Young Americans conflicted on Obama

    Tom Benning/Reporter
    December 3, 2009

    Young Americans who helped catapult Barack Obama to the White House continue to approve of the president’s job performance, according to a poll by Harvard’s Institute of Politics.

    Except that they don’t. A majority of young voters found fault with Obama on every major issue – from Afghanistan to the economy – despite 58 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds giving the president a thumbs up overall.

    That tracks closely with the views of Americans across all age groups, said John Della Volpe, the institute’s polling director, but it shows a marked shift from the presidential campaign, when young voters overwhelmingly supported Obama.
    “They still have some faith and trust in the president, but there are major issues that the White House is tackling that will take some time before we can see some potential success,” Della Volpe said.

    Bill Purcell, director of Harvard’s Institute of Politics, said the data shows young Americans are not blindly following the president just because they may have voted for him. “They are engaged in the discussion, in the debate itself, and they have opinions,” he said. “They are not afraid, frankly, to agree with their parents and other older Americans.”

    Another factor in the fall-off in support could be the result of decreased communication between young voters and the Obama team after the campaign ended, Purcell said. After more than a year of being actively pursued, young Americans might feel a little put off by the normal government means of communication, he said.

    Here are the young voters’ ratings of Obama on specific issues:

    — Afghanistan: 55 percent disapprove, 41 percent approve.
    — Health care: 52 percent disapprove, 44 percent approve.
    — The economy: 52 percent disapprove, 44 percent approve.
    — Iran: 53 percent disapprove, 44 percent approve.
    — Federal budget deficit: 58 percent disapprove, 38 percent approve.

    The poll was an online survey of 2,807 American 18- to 29-year-olds conducted between Nov. 4 and Nov. 16. The margin of error is +/- 2.2 percentage points.

    http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/12/poll-young-americans-conflicte.html

  16. Here is a bit from an interview Chomsky did with Amy Goodman. I am not a fan of hers or Democracy Now but I am a huge Chomsky fan. He said the Obama/Geithner was no different than the Bush/Paulson plan and she asked him to explain:

    NOAM CHOMSKY: Like Larry Summers, for example, who is now his chief economic adviser. I mean, he was Secretary of Treasury under Bill Clinton. His great achievement was to prevent Congress from regulating derivatives, exotic financial instruments. Well, that’s one of the main factors that led to the crisis.

    His kind of senior adviser, one of the first, was Robert Rubin, who was Secretary of Treasury right before Summers. His main achievement—many achievements, like what he did to Indonesia and the third world, but here, his main achievement was to lead the way to revoke the Glass-Steagall legislation from the New Deal, which protected commercial banks from risky investments. It broke down those barriers. Immediately after having done this, he left the government, joined Citigroup as a director, and they began to make huge profits, including him, from picking up insurance companies and so on and making very risky loans, relying on the “too big to fail” doctrine, meaning if we get in trouble, the taxpayer will bail us out, which is just what’s happening, taxpayers now pouring tens of billions of dollars into rescuing Citigroup.

    Well, these are the advisers who were supposed to fix up the system. Tim Geithner was right in the middle of this. He was head of the New York Federal Reserve, so, yes, he was supervising these actions. Now, you know, you can argue about whether they’re doing the right thing or the wrong thing, but are these the people who should be fixing up the system?

    Actually, the business press just had some interesting things to say about this. Bloomberg News, you know, main business press, had an article in which they reviewed the records of the people who Obama invited to his economic summit. I think it must have been last November or December. They just reviewed the record. I think there were a couple dozen of them. People on the—you know, people like, say, Stiglitz, Krugman, they were never even allowed close to it, let alone anyone from the left or labor and so on, given token representation. So they went through the records, and they concluded that these people should not be invited to fix up the economy. Most of them should be getting subpoenas because of their record of accounting fraud, malpractice and so on, and helping bring about the current crisis.

  17. While I was driving to work this am, I was listening to an interview on POTUS (satellite radio) with Melody Barnes, and I was struck by all this talk of jobs and the job summit and how behind the curve this administration seems to be regarding this issue. There was discussion of how more of the stimulus funds are due to roll out in 2010 and this will be helpful for creating some jobs. Don’t people realize that people need to have JOBS so that they can pay taxes, which will fund health care, wars, and other government programs. One big thing they could do, is to keep jobs from going overseas. India and China’s middle classes are growing, but the U.S.’s middle class is dwindling. What is wrong with this picture? I can’t believe that the administration is this incompetent. This country is going down the tubes.

  18. Oh, and speak about the incompetence of congress. They can vote to renew the hold on estate taxes, but a vote on a jobs bill will have to wait until next year. These people are frickin out to lunch.

  19. Bill Ayers better watch out or he’ll be on the unemployment line soon.

    This is RICH!

    He’s “Shocked and Appalled!”

    Bill Ayers marches in Chicago against President Obama’s plan to send 30,000 more combat troops to Afghanistan in 2010.

  20. What a fun news day! 😉

    “Gore cancels on Copenhagen lecture – leaves ticketholders in a lurch”

    How’s that global warming thing going Al?

  21. jesus, jbs, i hope Hillary stops that dead in its tracks, unless of course, Obama has a fatal illness or impeached and she takes over in Feb 2013, then i’d be all for it.

  22. Bill Ayers marches in Chicago against President Obama’s plan to send 30,000 more combat troops to Afghanistan in 2010.
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    First, they need to frisk him.

  23. Does Biden get pushed out in 2012 and Hillary named VP to save his re-election chances???
    ——————————————–
    No. I do not see that happening. Especially after today–with the way he contradicted her on the 18 month issue.

  24. Rumors had circulated for weeks that Ogden was on his way out amid reports of bad morale at the Justice Department and displeasure with his management style.
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    Bad morale? Not with Barack at the helm, surely.

  25. jbstone,

    Oh GAWD no! Sorry to say this but I’d lose all respect for her if she agreed to run as Squat’s vp.

    Enough is enough.

    In fact, I hope she cuts him lose ASAP. He’s going down and if she doesn’t get out of the way he’s gonna drag her down with him. (IMHO, of course)

  26. basil9
    December 3rd, 2009 at 4:07 pm
    What a fun news day!

    “Gore cancels on Copenhagen lecture – leaves ticketholders in a lurch”

    How’s that global warming thing going Al?
    *******************

    Ah…payback
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    wbboei
    December 3rd, 2009 at 5:30 pm
    Does Biden get pushed out in 2012 and Hillary named VP to save his re-election chances???
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    No. I do not see that happening. Especially after today–with the way he contradicted her on the 18 month issue.
    **********
    What did he say?

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    KABUL — Afghan officials expressed concern over President Barack Obama’s aim to begin removing troops by 2011, saying that such a fixed timetable wasn’t realistic for a country grappling with a spreading insurgency.

    In an address to the U.S. on Tuesday, Mr. Obama outlined a strategy that included the injection of 30,000 more U.S. troops to Afghanistan followed by a withdrawal that would begin by June 2011, turning over increasing security responsibilities to the Afghans.

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    Newly reelected Afghan President Hamid Karzai shakes hands with Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari during a meeting in Kabul on November 18, 2009.
    Some senior Afghan officials said that they didn’t support the injection of more troops, since previous troop increases haven’t been successful in pushing back the insurgency.

    “We couldn’t solve the Afghanistan problem in eight years, but now the U.S. wants to solve it in 18 months? I don’t see how it could be done,” said Segbatullah Sanjar, chief policy adviser to President Hamid Karzai. Mr. Karzai didn’t speak publicly about the plan on Wednesday.

    The timeline puts added pressure on Mr. Karzai’s administration to take greater responsibility for problems with governance and security. Afghan officials acknowledged the government needs to do more. “But having a specific timeline makes this more difficult,” said Gulbadshah Majidi, a lawmaker from the eastern province Paktia who is a senior adviser to Karzai.

    He said the U.S. and the Afghans should employ an approach that focuses on developing the Afghan forces and government over a longer period.

    The Taliban said in a statement that the troop increase would strengthen their movement.

    Pakistan also expressed concerns. Its foreign ministry said it will discuss the plan with U.S. officials to understand “the full import of the new strategy and to ensure that there would be no adverse fallout on Pakistan.”

    The Obama administration has been talking with officials in Afghanistan and Pakistan in recent days to smooth the reception of the U.S. plan. Mr. Obama called Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari on Tuesday to discuss it, said Farahatullah Babar, his chief spokesman. James Jones, the U.S. national security adviser, spoke on the phone Tuesday to Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani. Richard Holbrooke, the special U.S. envoy on Afghanistan and Pakistan, spoke to Nawaz Sharif, the main opposition leader, a senior Pakistani official said.

    A number of Afghan officials support shifting U.S. troops to the Afghan-Pakistan border to stop insurgent crossings. They said talk of removing troops could signal that the U.S. isn’t committed to a long-term presence in the region.

    U.S. officials in Kabul said the possible transfer of troops in two years’ time doesn’t mean the U.S. will abandon the country.

    “We’ll be here one way or another. We hope that by the summer of 2011 the Afghan security forces and the Afghan government will begin to start taking over some of the main responsibilities,” said a U.S. official in Kabul. “But the U.S. and its military will still be here after that date.”

    U.S. officials said the big question about the withdrawal plan is whether the Afghan forces would be in a position to take a leading role by the summer of 2011. While officials are focused on increasing the size of the Afghan ranks — they aim to increase the size of the Afghan forces to 240,000 soldiers and 160,000 police in the coming years — the forces need improvement. Illiteracy is widespread among the ranks, and basic skills required for effective modern warfare, such as map reading, are largely lacking.

    “We’re still not at the point where the Afghans can either stand on their own, or at least lead or plan missions,” said First Lt. Richard Allis, a U.S. Marine involved with training Afghan troops. “I’d say we are at least four, five years away from that.”

    An even bigger challenge is the Afghan police, an uneven force that is widely accused of corruption. “The police development is still four to five years behind the army’s,” said Maj. Gen. Richard Formica, the outgoing commander overseeing the training efforts here.

    To address some of these concerns, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, said Wednesday that some of the incoming troops will be devoted solely to training the Afghan forces. The units will live together and plan and conduct joint missions. Previously, a small number of mentors were embedded with each Afghan unit.

    After meeting Wednesday with Mr. Karzai, Gen. McChrystal called the Afghan president’s reaction to the new U.S. strategy “really positive,” the Associated Press reported.

    In the Pashtun countryside, the scene of incessant fighting in recent years, sentiment favoring troop withdrawal is high. “People here are tired of the fighting and tired of the American presence,” said Habib Gul Stanakzai, a teacher from the southern province of Zabul. “I hope the Americans are true to their words and leave.”

    —Zahid Hussain in Islamabad contributed to this article.
    Printed in The Wall Street Journal, page A6

  28. gonzotx
    December 3rd, 2009 at 6:02 pm
    basil9
    December 3rd, 2009 at 4:07 pm
    What a fun news day!

    “Gore cancels on Copenhagen lecture – leaves ticketholders in a lurch”

    How’s that global warming thing going Al?
    *******************

    Ah…payback
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    wbboei
    December 3rd, 2009 at 5:30 pm
    Does Biden get pushed out in 2012 and Hillary named VP to save his re-election chances???
    ——————————————–
    No. I do not see that happening. Especially after today–with the way he contradicted her on the 18 month issue.
    **********
    What did he say?

    ——————————–
    Per Admin blog

    Senator Lindsey Graham stated after the hearing, “Secretary of State Clinton said we’re not locked into withdrawing, which is music to my ears and I think will be bad news for the enemy. I hope that’s the final answer.” Senator Graham’s hopes were immediately dashed.

    Chip Reid of CBS News, having heard the testimony by Hillary Clinton and Bob Gates as well as the “not locked in” that Senator Graham heard, asked Robert Gibbs at a White House briefing “if senators were incorrect calling the date a ‘target’”.

    After the briefing, Gibbs went to the president for clarification. Gibbs then called me to his office to relate what the president said. The president told him it IS locked in – there is no flexibility. Troops WILL start coming home in July 2011. Period. It’s etched in stone. Gibbs said he even had the chisel.

  29. This article from Soros’ vest pocket. From one of his own writers at the “American Center for Progress” criticizing a fatal mistake made in Obama’s speech!

    LOWER THE LIFE BOATS, FOLKS… THE SS OBAMA IS S-I-N-K-I-N-G! and sinking FAST!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Obama failed to outline the way forward in Pakistan.. (dumber than a box of rocks!)

    “Last night, President Obama actually confused this very important issue — and conflated the various elements of the Afghan Taliban, which often receive support from Pakistani authorities, with the Pakistani Taliban, which have been attacking the Pakistani state and core interests. This is what Obama said last night:”

    Gradually, the Taliban has begun to control additional swaths of territory in Afghanistan, while engaging in increasingly brazen and devastating attacks of terrorism against the Pakistani people.

    http://pumasunleashed.wordpress.com/

  30. After the briefing, Gibbs went to the president for clarification. Gibbs then called me to his office to relate what the president said. The president told him it IS locked in – there is no flexibility. Troops WILL start coming home in July 2011. Period. It’s etched in stone. Gibbs said he even had the chisel.
    ***********

    I think what is locked in is is that SOME TROOPS WILL COME HOME. It doesn’t mean that others will not take their place.

  31. obama’s speechifying was full of doubletalk and innuendo and didn’t amount to a hill of beens where accountability is concerned.

    yes they may send a few home in 18 months…a few more the month after…it could take eons to complete.

    He is the best example of stupidity worldwide.

  32. Who could understand what he meant with all the doubletalk?

    This means Hillary cleared up the most noticeable mistake he made about the timeline for withdrawing troops. The Soros camp had to come-out on the sly and clarify the second mistake which was a much bigger error than clouding the timeline for withdrawing the troops. Obama doesn’t have a clear understanding of the Afghan situation at all!

  33. Another vote winner from the Obama Democrats.

    Democrats Vote to Cut Half a Trillion Dollars From Medicare

    Will You Still Need Me, Will You Still Feed Me, When I’m Sixty-Four? …No!

    Democrats today voted to cut nearly half a trillion dollars from Medicare. The AP reported:

    Casting its first votes on revamping the nation’s health care system, the Senate rejected a Republican bid Thursday to stave off Medicare cuts and approved safeguards for coverage of mammograms and other preventive tests for women. The first round of votes ended with a fragile Democratic coalition hanging together.

    Senators voted 58-42 to reject an amendment by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., that would have stripped more than $400 billion in Medicare cuts from the nearly $1 trillion measure. It would have sent the entire 2,074-page bill back to the Senate Finance Committee for a redo.

    Now where are those cartoons showing Bush shoving an elderly person in a wheelchair down the stairs???
    Where’s all the media screaming on how Bush was destroying Medicare????

    $135 BILLION IN CUTS TO HOSPITALS SERVING SENIORS

    (CBO, E-mail To Senate Leadership Staff, 11/20/09)

    $120 BILLION IN CUTS TO MEDICARE ADVANTAGE

    MORE THAN $40 BILLION CUT FROM HOME HEALTH AGENCIES

    (CBO, E-mail To Senate Leadership Staff, 11/20/09)

    NEARLY $15 BILLION IN CUTS TO NURSING HOMES

    (CBO, E-mail To Senate Leadership Staff, 11/20/09)

    NEARLY $8 BILLION FROM HOSPICES

    (CBO, E-mail To Senate Leadership Staff, 11/20/09)

    Republicans said the proposed cuts to health insurance plans and medical providers mean seniors in the popular Medicare Advantage program will lose benefits. And they predicted lawmakers will ultimately back away from the cuts, once seniors start feeling the brunt.

    “Medicare is already in trouble. The program needs to be fixed, not raided to create another new government program,” said Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

  34. As I’ve understood it, clarity isn’t the goal in Afghanistan,
    protecting the flow of natural gas is.

    And everything else is bullshit.

    You guys would know better than me, but I always thought that was the real reason we were there…..

  35. The Medicare cuts taking billions from Seniors will go for buying back Bank derivatives they thought could be auctioned off for pennies on the dollar. There aren’t any investors for that fool’s errand. There isn’t enough money in the universe to fill the gaping hole left by bank derivatives so they are attempting to take it out of the hide of Seniors hoping no one will notice or ask where that money will be diverted.

  36. I’ve always thought Afghanistan was actually a convenient little military outpost between iran and pakistan for the Govt, thats why they want it.

  37. US isolationism on the rise, poll finds

    WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama may have sought to sell his revamped Afghanistan war strategy to a skeptical US public, but a poll showed Thursday that he faces a tough task amid a growing isolationist surge.

    For the first time since the Pew Research Center began conducting the survey 45 years ago, more participants (49 percent) agreed that the United States should “mind its own business internationally” and let other countries manage on their own than those who disagreed (44 percent).

    A majority of the public disapproved of Obama’s handling of the war in Afghanistan, with 49 percent of the public giving the president low marks and 36 percent approving of his performance.

    Obama has ordered 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan, bringing the US contingent to 100,000 by the mid-2010 amid an intensifying Taliban insurgency. But with an Afghan government dogged by fraud-marred August elections and charges of corruption, 46 percent of respondents said it was very or somewhat likely that Afghanistan would become stable enough to withstand the threat from the Taliban and other violent extremist groups.

    Only 32 percent of those surveyed in late October and early November supported sending more troops to Afghanistan. Most — 40 percent — said the troop presence should be decreased, while 19 percent said the level of military forces should be kept the same.

    The president nonetheless had a favorable job approval rating, with 51 support for his overall performance, but Obama’s numbers have dropped since he took office in January.

    Only one percent listed Pakistan, which Obama has placed at the forefront of his battle against violent extremists, as the top international problem for the United States, while 49 percent said instability in Pakistan was a major threat.

    But 70 percent said the Taliban’s growing strength was a major danger.

    North Korea’s nuclear program was seen as more of a major threat — by 69 percent of respondents — than China’s emerging power, at 53 percent.

    In a reversal from polling early last year, 44 percent said China is now the world’s top economic power and only 27 percent cited the United States. In February 2008, 41 percent had mentioned the United States and 30 percent pointed to China.

    According to the survey, 41 percent of the public said the United States now plays a less important role as world leader than 10 years ago, the highest such figures since Pew first conducted its survey in 1964.

    As concerns Iran, 63 percent approved of the use of US military force against Tehran if the suspicions that it is developing nuclear weapons are confirmed.

    Another 51 percent backed using US military force in Pakistan if extremists were on the verge of taking over the already fragile, nuclear armed state.

    Among the other countries examined, France was making a comeback, with 62 percent expressing a favorable opinion, up from 29 percent in May 2003 when relations frayed over French opposition to the US-led invasion of Iraq.

    The main telephone survey, which polled 2,000 adults October 28-November 8, had a margin of error of plus or minus three percentage points. The findings were also supplemented by a subsequent poll of 1,003 people November 12-15 with a margin of error of plus or minus four percentage points.

    Two other polls conducted May 27-June 10 and September 10-15 established various countries’ favorability ratings, with the same sampling error.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h5a5OiI-HYUFotRZynns3p2nUyKQ

  38. Obama failed to outline the way forward in Pakistan.. (dumber than a box of rocks!)
    ——————————
    And just as seaworthy as a box of rocks.

  39. After the briefing, Gibbs went to the president for clarification. Gibbs then called me to his office to relate what the president said. The president told him it IS locked in – there is no flexibility. Troops WILL start coming home in July 2011. Period. It’s etched in stone. Gibbs said he even had the chisel.
    ———————————————————————-
    Objection: hearsay. Actually hearsay on hearsay. We need to hear it from the great one himself. When he says troops will be coming home after 18 months, most people assume that means a draw down of troop levels at 18 months, which means a partial withdrawal. Is that what he means? Or is he just talking about an 18 month rotation with full replenishment. So which is it? Every time he clarifies something it gets more confusing. Get Curly in the middle of it and it begins to look like a 3 Stooges Movie.

  40. wbb-

    The killer if you read the great article I posted at:

    Mrs. Smith
    December 3rd, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    They also put Bill at #6 as one of FOREIGN POLICYS TOP 100 GLOBAL THINKERS…

    A gratuitous #2 was given to Obama. Another prize for doing nothing.

  41. moon,

    Those medicare numbers are shocking.

    Like I’ve said before, that’s one of the reasons I went on chemo now rather than later. I’m currently in the ‘disabled’ category but I’m praying like heck I have 100% remission and don’t ever need treatment again.

    The poor guy next to me in the chemo ward, who was puking his brains out from treatment, confided the drugs were costing him 30G a month.

    He is a senior – over 70 I believe, but has contributed to the country his entire life, mostly as a small business owner employing dozens of people over the years. WTF is he going to do?

    It is obscene.

  42. Blue Democrat
    December 3rd, 2009 at 8:39 pm
    As I’ve understood it, clarity isn’t the goal in Afghanistan,
    protecting the flow of natural gas is.

    And everything else is bullshit.

    You guys would know better than me, but I always thought that was the real reason we were there…..
    ———————————————————————————–

    After 911, I started reading a book about the Taliban. In the first couple of chapters, there was an explanation about the tribal culture and customs, how the Taliban evolved into what they are today. In addition, it mentioned, either a natural gas or oil pipeline that the powers to be wanted to put across Afghanistan, but the country wasn’t secure enough to do so. The goal was to get to a natural port and to decrease central Asis’s dependence upon Russia for energy supplies. Now, whether or not, this is really true, it does make sense that energy and resources are involved. It certainly gives more reasons for staying in that hell-hole. China received a substantial grant from the Afghan government to develop a very rich copper deposit. The U.S. also bid for the project, but was outbid by the Chinese. Supposedly, the U.S. wanted to wait until the security was improved, so that the mining could be done safely. The Chinese are using Chinese workers.

    So, IMHO this war is about the terrorist issue, as well as a war about resources. Aren’t most wars fought over resources? The Chinese are gobling up resources all over the world, including Africa and South America. The Chinese are trying to control the world’s oil supply, or at least a good portion of it.

  43. Ben Bernanke today suggested that the govt rob entitlement programs like SS and Medicare because like the old train robber said, “that’s where the money is”.

    HuffPo is ALL up in arms about it, as is TC:

    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/not-much-left-they-want-that-too/

    huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/03/bernanke-channels-willie_n_378963.html

  44. Oh, just as a point of information, Ben Bernanke is listed as #1 of FOREIGN POLICYS TOP 100 GLOBAL THINKERS.

  45. Of course Ben’s a global thinker! He has already taken billions in our tax dollars and transferred them via AIG to his bankster buddies GLOBALLY. Kumbayah, baybee.

  46. #
    JanH
    December 3rd, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    Mrs. Smith,

    Thank you for the link to the article and the wonderful picture of Bill and Hillary.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Jan, did you read where Bill wants to go to Mongolia and ride on horseback across the
    steppes and pretend he’s one of Genghis Khan’s horde (but not hurting anybody)? He also said he would like to take Hillary to climb Mt. Kilimanjaro, while there is still snow up there. sweeeet!

  47. Mrs. Smith,

    I just grinned when I read that part. Those two are magic together.

    At the other end of the spectrum, bambi and meme are just plain vanilla pudding.

  48. #
    HillaryforTexas
    December 3rd, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    Of course Ben’s a global thinker! He has already taken billions in our tax dollars and transferred them via AIG to his bankster buddies GLOBALLY. Kumbayah, baybee.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~

    Righto! Bernache does the heavy lifting leaving Geithner to take the blame for the looting. Big sharks eat the smaller ones when theres nothing else to eat. Just swimming with them becomes a roll of the dice as you never know when they’ve eaten last.

  49. They also put Bill at #6 as one of FOREIGN POLICYS TOP 100 GLOBAL THINKERS…

    A gratuitous #2 was given to Obama. Another prize for doing nothing.

    ——————————-
    This is a perfect example of what happens when you give out an award without objective criteria. Subjective judgments are made which have no basis in reality. It tells you more about the judges than the recipient. Bill Clinton saved Bosnia. Bill Clinton set up a global charitable foundation. Bill Clinton gave us peace and prosperity. And for that he rates a 6? And what the fuck has Bambi done except dither, waiver, fail to preside over his cabinet, tank his country financially, promote himself at our expense, let the press give him one blow job after another, and for that he rates 2? This is another Nobel Prize for doing nothing–or worse. What kind of a prize would it take to get him to resign before he tanks the country? Just tell me his price and I will take up a collection.

  50. I just thought of a good word to describe people who lavish garlands on bambi and project an illusion of competence where there is only incompetence. The word to describe these people is “unhinged”. They are the pet rock crowd.

  51. I have figured it out. The reason they gave him such high marks as a global thinker is because he has so little regard for the welfare of the American People and is a true citizen of the world. Well and good. But why should the American People elect someone like him who does not represent their interests? They were bamboozled before. But now that they have seen him in action (inaction would be a more precise word) have they learned anything?

  52. Carter’s national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, was asked in a 1998 interview with the French magazine Le Nouvel Observateur if he regretted “having given arms and advice to future terrorists,” and he answered, “What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Muslims or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the Cold War?” Brzezinski made that statement three years before the 9/11 attack by those “stirred-up Muslims.”
    ————————–
    Brzezinsky is Dr. Stangelove. If the Taliban gets a nuclear weapon the answer will be self evident.

  53. Palin: Obama’s birth certificate is fair game

    posted at 10:44 pm on December 3, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    At 7:45, your quote of the day. Something for (almost) everyone here: For the left, smoking-gun proof that she’s a fringe character, and for Birthers, smoking-gun proof that their concerns are mainstream. As for righties like me and Ed (and Glenn Beck) who think this particular science is well settled, tomorrow should be a fun media day.

    I wonder if she realized when she said this that it’s going to follow her around.

    (see video clip of interview at link below)

    here’s a transcript.

    Would you make the birth certificate an issue if you ran?

    I think the public, rightfully, is still making it an issue. I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t know if I would have to bother to make it an issue ’cause I think there are enough members of the electorate who still want answers.

    Do you think it’s a fair question to be looking at?

    I think it’s a fair question, just like I think past associations and past voting record — all of that is fair game. You know, I’ve got to tell you, too: I think our campaign, the McCain/Palin campaign didn’t do a good enough job in that area. We didn’t call out Obama and some of his associates on their records and what their beliefs were and perhaps what their future plans were. And I don’t think that that was fair to voters to not have done our jobs as candidates and as a campaign to bring to light a lot of the things that now we’re seeing made manifest in the administration.

    I mean, truly, if your past is fair game and your kids are fair game, certainly Obama’s past should be. I mean, we want to treat men and women equally, right?

    Hey, you know, that’s a great point, in that weird conspiracy-theory freaky thing that people talk about that Trig isn’t my real son. And a lot of people say, “Well you need to produce his birth certificate! You need to prove that he’s your kid!” Which we have done. But yeah, so maybe we could reverse that and use the same [unintelligible]-type thinking on them.

    hotair.com/archives/2009/12/03/palin-obamas-birth-certificate-is-fair-game/

  54. Somebody at Fort Hood Should Be Walking the Plank [Andy McCarthy]

    Prepare to be infuriated.

    It’s been brought to my attention by several reliable sources that the Defense Department has brought Louay Safi to Fort Hood as an instructor, and that he has been lecturing on Islam to our troops in Fort Hood who are about to deploy to Afghanistan. Safi is a top official of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), and served as research director at the International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT).

    Worse, last evening, Safi was apparently permitted to present a check (evidently on behalf of ISNA) to the families of the victims of last month’s Fort Hood massacre. A military source told the blogger Barbarossa at the Jawa Report: “This is nothing short of blood money. This is criminal and the Ft. Hood base commander should be fired right now.”

    more at the link:
    corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Y2QxNWFlZDM5MDQ0NzM4MDg3ZjA3MDE5ZjNmYzBjYzU

  55. Re ‘Climategate’ The New Republic had a good short article which I can’t find at the moment. Gist was that the real raw data was still intact and supported the accepted findings, as did the data of several independent research centers.

  56. Uncertain trumpet

    By Charles Krauthammer
    Friday, December 4, 2009

    We shall fight in the air, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields, we shall fight in the hills — for 18 months. Then we start packing for home.

    We shall never surrender — unless the war gets too expensive, in which case, we shall quote Eisenhower on “the need to maintain balance in and among national programs” and then insist that “we can’t simply afford to ignore the price of these wars.”

    The quotes are from President Obama’s West Point speech announcing the Afghanistan troop surge. What a strange speech it was — a call to arms so ambivalent, so tentative, so defensive.

    Which made his last-minute assertion of “resolve unwavering” so hollow. It was meant to be stirring. It fell flat. In August, he called Afghanistan “a war of necessity.” On Tuesday night, he defined “what’s at stake” as “the common security of the world.” The world, no less. Yet, we begin leaving in July 2011?

    Does he think that such ambivalence is not heard by the Taliban, by Afghan peasants deciding which side to choose, by Pakistani generals hedging their bets, by NATO allies already with one foot out of Afghanistan?

    Nonetheless, most supporters of the Afghanistan war were satisfied. They got the policy; the liberals got the speech. The hawks got three-quarters of what Gen. Stanley McChrystal wanted — 30,000 additional U.S. troops — and the doves got a few soothing words. Big deal, say the hawks.

    But it is a big deal. Words matter because will matters. Success in war depends on three things: a brave and highly skilled soldiery, such as the 2009 U.S. military, the finest counterinsurgency force in history; brilliant, battle-tested commanders such as Gens. David Petraeus and McChrystal, fresh from the success of the surge in Iraq; and the will to prevail as personified by the commander in chief.

    There’s the rub. And that is why at such crucial moments, presidents don’t issue a policy paper. They give a speech. It gives tone and texture. It allows their policy to be imbued with purpose and feeling. This one was festooned with hedges, caveats and one giant exit ramp.

    No one expected Obama to do a Henry V or a Churchill. But Obama could not even manage a George W. Bush, who, at an infinitely lower ebb in power and popularity, opposed by the political and foreign policy establishments and dealing with a war effort in far more dire straits, announced his surge — Iraq 2007 — with outright rejection of withdrawal or retreat. His implacability was widely decried at home as stubbornness, but heard loudly in Iraq by those fighting for and against us as unflinching — and salutary — determination.

    Obama’s surge speech wasn’t that of a commander in chief but of a politician, perfectly splitting the difference. Two messages for two audiences. Placate the right — you get the troops; placate the left — we are on our way out.

    And apart from Obama’s personal commitment is the question of his ability as a wartime leader. If he feels compelled to placate his left with an exit date today — while he is still personally popular, with large majorities in both houses of Congress, and even before the surge begins — how will he stand up to the left when the going gets tough and the casualties mount, and he really has to choose between support from his party and success on the battlefield?

    Despite my personal misgivings about the possibility of lasting success against Taliban insurgencies in both Afghanistan and the borderlands of Pakistan, I have deep confidence that Petraeus and McChrystal would not recommend a strategy that will be costly in lives without their having a firm belief in the possibility of success.

    I would therefore defer to their judgment and support their recommended policy. But the fate of this war depends not just on them. It depends also on the president. We cannot prevail without a commander in chief committed to success.

    And this commander in chief defended his exit date (vs. the straw man alternative of “open-ended” nation-building) thusly: “because the nation that I’m most interested in building is our own.”

    Remarkable. Go and fight, he tells his cadets — some of whom may not return alive — but I may have to cut your mission short because my real priorities are domestic.

    Has there ever been a call to arms more dispiriting, a trumpet more uncertain?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/03/AR2009120303605.html?sub=AR

  57. Possible Conspiracy To Falsify Temperature Data Uncovered

    November 20, 2009

    E-mail messages between high-ranking scientists appear to indicate a conspiracy by some of the world’s leading global warming alarmists to falsify temperature data in order to exaggerate global averages.

    Those involved allegedly include: James Hansen, Director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies; Michael Mann, famous for Mann’s “Hockey Stick”; Gavin Schmidt, NASA climate modeler, and; Stephen Schneider, Stanford professor and Al Gore confidant.

    A statement released Friday by the alarmist website RealClimate has confirmed that e-mail servers at the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (CRU) in Norwich, England, were hacked recently with contents illegally made available over the Internet.

    Although the authenticity of all these e-mail messages has yet to be proven, what’s currently available points to a coordinated attempt to manipulate climate data by those directly involved in advancing the theory of anthropogenic global warming.

    New Zealand’s Investigate magazine reported Friday that it has verified these e-mail messages are indeed real:

    The director of Britain’s leading Climate Research Unit, Phil Jones, has told Investigate magazine’s TGIF Edition tonight that his organization has been hacked, and the data flying all over the internet appears to be genuine.

    In an exclusive interview, Jones told TGIF, “It was a hacker. We were aware of this about three or four days ago that someone had hacked into our system and taken and copied loads of data files and emails.”

    The BBC.com filed this report moments ago:

    A university spokesman confirmed the email system had been hacked and that information was taken and published without permission.

    An investigation was underway and the police had been informed, he added.

    “We are aware that information from a server used for research information in one area of the university has been made available on public websites,” the spokesman stated.

    The journal Nature got a comment from one of the scientists whose name appears on some of these e-mail messages:

    Some climate-skeptic bloggers are already poring over the posted material, which includes e-mails allegedly sent by the CRU’s director Phil Jones to fellow climate researchers, including Michael Mann at Pennsylvania State University in University Park. Mann is the author of a widely cited assessment of past climate records, known as the hockey-stick graph, which shows a pronounced global-warming trend during the latter part of the twentieth century.

    “I’m not going to comment on the content of illegally obtained e-mails,” says Mann. “However, their theft constitutes serious criminal activity. I’m hoping that the perpetrators will be tracked down and prosecuted to the fullest extent the law allows.” Jones declined to comment on the matter.

    Andrew Bolt of Australia’s Herald Sun has more:

    So the 1079 emails and 72 documents seem indeed evidence of a scandal involving most of the most prominent scientists pushing the man-made warming theory – a scandal that is one of the greatest in modern science. I’ve been adding some of the most astonishing in updates below – emails suggesting conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organized resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more. If it is as it now seems, never again will “peer review” be used to shout down skeptics.

    So, Gore cancels Copenhagen. Is he afraid to defend his global warming theory? If it’s solid and the Truth as he believes it, what the problem? Don’t tell me GlobalWarming has gone the way of perfidious birth certificates, high school and college transcripts. Then again, he supported Bama. Birds of a feather etc..

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/11/20/possible-conspiracy-misreport-temperatures-found-media-mum

  58. JanH
    December 4th, 2009 at 8:01 am

    “And this commander in chief defended his exit date (vs. the straw man alternative of “open-ended” nation-building) thusly: “because the nation that I’m most interested in building is our my own.”

    Remarkable. Go and fight, he tells his cadets — some of whom may not return alive — but I may have to cut your mission short because my real priorities are domestic.

    Has there ever been a call to arms more dispiriting, a trumpet more uncertain?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Krauthammer hits it out of the park!

  59. Our Whitehouse has a new image since Bo took over our country.It can n

    ow be called the Outhouse since the Faux president is never home.He is truly out most of the time and always on the run from his resposibilities and bad judgements.In the mean time Hillary is out in the world holding it together for humanity.She is so devoted to her State Dept employees and a true Patriot day in and day out.Take a look.

    ======================================================================Secretary Clinton Hosts “Diplomacy at Home for the Holidays” Honoring Employees Serving Unaccompanied Tours and Their Family Members in Newly Decorated Rooms for the Holidays

    Washington, DC

    December 4, 2009

    ——————————————————————————–

    Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will host an event honoring the families of the US government employees serving unaccompanied tours on Monday December 7th at 6:00 p.m. at the Department of State in the Diplomatic Reception Rooms recently decorated for the holidays. Through the generosity of the Magazine Publishers of America, participating magazines and local decorators, we honor the dedicated employees and their families in rooms not only beautifully decorated for the holidays, but filled with some of our nation’s greatest treasures. They will be among the first to see the new decorations.

    Nearly 1,000 State Department employees are currently serving unaccompanied tours overseas, in places too dangerous to bring family or host visitors, and their commitment through the holidays is a testament to their dedication and devotion to serving our country.

    The State Department has partnered with the Magazine Publishers of America, the trade association of the consumer magazine industry, to enlist 6 leading publications to decorate and enhance the historic rooms of the Blair House and the Diplomatic Reception Rooms for the holidays. The magazines are Better Homes and Gardens, Martha Stewart Living, Mother Earth News, Natural Home, This Old House and Traditional Home. Local decorators have also contributed decorations. Both spaces have witnessed some of our nation’s greatest diplomatic achievements and display some of the proudest moments in history. The effort is part of an ongoing campaign to highlight the furnishings and art in both the Blair House and the State Department’s Diplomatic Reception Rooms.

    6:00 p.m. SECRETARY CLINTON DELIVERS REMARKS AT “DIPLOMACY AT HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS” HONORING EMPLOYEES SERVING UNACCOMPANIED TOURS AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS IN NEWLY DECORATED ROOMS FOR THE HOLIDAYS

  60. The scum bags at Fox and their “fair and balanced news ” claims are eliminating any news and accomplishments of SoS Hillary.There must be someone somewhere that can purse these traitorous threats to our access to truth in reporting the news not propaganda.Their logo should be the “SWASTICA”

  61. THIS WOMAN HAS MOXY!

    Sarah Palin: Mr. President: Boycott Copenhagen; Investigate Your Climate Change “Experts”

    Mr. President: Boycott Copenhagen; Investigate Your Climate Change “Experts”
    Yesterday at 4:17pm
    The president’s decision to attend the international climate conference in Copenhagen needs to be reconsidered in light of the unfolding Climategate scandal. The leaked e-mails involved in Climategate expose the unscientific behavior of leading climate scientists who deliberately destroyed records to block information requests, manipulated data to “hide the decline” in global temperatures, and conspired to silence the critics of man-made global warming. I support Senator James Inhofe’s call for a full investigation into this scandal. Because it involves many of the same personalities and entities behind the Copenhagen conference, Climategate calls into question many of the proposals being pushed there, including anything that would lead to a cap and tax plan.

    Policy should be based on sound science, not snake oil. I took a stand against such snake oil science when I sued the federal government over its decision to list the polar bear as an endangered species despite the fact that the polar bear population has increased. I’ve never denied the reality of climate change; in fact, I was the first governor to create a subcabinet position to deal specifically with the issue. I saw the impact of changing weather patterns firsthand while serving as governor of our only Arctic state. But while we recognize the effects of changing water levels, erosion patterns, and glacial ice melt, we cannot primarily blame man’s activities for the earth’s cyclical weather changes. The drastic economic measures being pushed by dogmatic environmentalists won’t change the weather, but will dramatically change our economy for the worse.

    Policy decisions require real science and real solutions, not junk science and doomsday scare tactics pushed by an environmental priesthood that capitalizes on the public’s worry and makes them feel that owning an SUV is a “sin” against the planet. In his inaugural address, President Obama declared his intention to “restore science to its rightful place.” Boycotting Copenhagen while this scandal is thoroughly investigated would send a strong message that the United States government will not be a party to fraudulent scientific practices. Saying no to Copenhagen and cap and tax are first steps in “restoring science to its rightful place.”

    – Sarah Palin

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  62. I just read that djia- Theres more- Obama is walking into a meat grinder IF he goes to Copenhagen. Gore backed out in spite of attendees paying $1200 a ticket for having their picture taken with him at the conference. People throwing eggs, tomatoes and any unharvested vegetables left over in their gardens? This is soooo rich! Another Nobel Laureate who didn’t deserve a prize. Soros (and the rest of the Bill’s supporters) stand to make billions if Cap and Trade is passed.

    Oh no! Another climate scam scandal, this time in Denmark..

    By: Mark Tapscott
    Editorial Page Editor
    12/04/09 8:22 AM EST

    November was a horrendous month for global warming propagandists, what with somebody hacking into the computers of East Anglia University’s Central Research Union (CRU) and exposing thousands of emails detailing how climate change data had been systematically cooked.

    Now it looks like December could be another bad month because the Copenhagen Post Online brings word of an exploding scandal in the Scandinavian nation involving massive fraud in the trading of the Danish CO2 Quotas Register. That’s Denmark’s cap-and-trade system in which companies buy and sell carbon emissions credits.

    The Obama-Waxman-Markey and Boxer-Kerry global warming cap-and-trade bills now before Congress are modeled in part on the Danish CO2 Quotas Register. But things don’t look good for the Danish climate change initiative, according to the Copenhagen Post Online:

    “Police and authorities in several European countries are investigating scams worth billions of kroner, which all originate in the Danish quota register. The CO2 quotas are traded in other EU countries.

    “Denmark’s quota register, which the Energy Agency within the Climate and Energy Ministry administers, is the largest in the world in terms of personal quota registrations. It is much easier to register here than in other countries, where it can take up to three months to be approved.

    “Ekstra Bladet reporters have found examples of people using false addresses and companies that are in liquidation, which haven’t been removed from the register.

    “One of the cases, which stems from the Danish register, involves fraud of more than 8 billion kroner. This case, in which nine people have been arrested, is being investigated in England.

    “The market for CO2 trade has exploded in recent years and is worth an estimated 675 billion kroner globally.”

    Go here for the original Copenhagen Post Online report.

    By the way, do not miss Barbara Hollingsworth’s “Who’s Who of the Climate Scam,” which is best read via the E-dition. To see it there, click on “View today’s E-dition” in the upper left-hand corner of the washingtonexaminer.com homepage, then click on “Launch Edition” and then click “Next” over to page 23 (Hint: Sometimes you have to double-click to get it to flip to the next page.)

    Or, you can just click here (But you will miss the great graphics!)

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Oh-no-Another-climate-scam-scandal-this-time-in-Denmark-78510842.html

  63. “In his inaugural address, President Obama declared his intention to “restore science to its rightful place.” Boycotting Copenhagen while this scandal is thoroughly investigated would send a strong message that the United States government will not be a party to fraudulent scientific practices. Saying no to Copenhagen and cap and tax are first steps in “restoring science to its rightful place.””

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Obama has no choice but to go. Soros is banking on Obama making his case for Cap n’ Trade. To think this has been in the planning stages all along and just when they reach for the GOLD ring, somebody says, Uh-Uh, NOT SO FAST! sad…

  64. Mrs Smith, I had read that too.

    this “scandal” is like watching an olympic runner (of the team you least want to win) trip and loose composure and is about to take a nose dive on the asphalt just before reaching the finish line. and i am sitting here cheering that impending (slow motion) nose dive on and I hope its a really bloody one to boot 😀

  65. be wary, very wary of GOP candidates claiming to be backed by the Tea Party Movement.

    peoplespresscollective.org/2009/12/scott-mcinnis-and-the-tea-parties-in-colorado-disconnect-or-unity/

  66. Watch the Democrats bury this, or try to explain why they vote no on this one.

    Coburn, Vitter want to force Congress into public health plan
    By J. Taylor Rushing – 12/04/09 06:00 AM ET

    Two of the Senate’s most ardent opponents of a public health program, Sens. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) and David Vitter (R-La.), are preparing an amendment to force members of Congress into any plan that is passed.

    As the Senate formally takes up the healthcare reform bill this month, Coburn and Vitter are drafting legislation that mimics a resolution Vitter unsuccessfully offered in August that would have required lawmakers to join any public option plan.

    The current amendment would go further — not only barring members of Congress from exempting themselves from a public plan, but actually forcing them into it. Vitter is also considering proposing banning physician services currently available to legislators at the Capitol as well as special privileges they are allowed at military hospitals. Specifically, members of Congress receive taxpayer-subsidized medical care at Bethesda Medical Center and the Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

    Vitter plans to announce the amendment on Friday. Rep. John Fleming (R-La.) has introduced a similar measure in the House.

    “The idea, broad-brush, is that whatever government option is in the bill, every senator and every representative should be enrolled in it,” Vitter told The Hill. “No other possibilities, no other choices.”

    “It’s called leadership,” Coburn said. “If it’s good enough for everybody else, we ought to be leading by example.”

    continue here:

    thehill.com/homenews/senate/70567-coburn-vitter-want-to-force-members-of-congress-into-public-health-plan

  67. djia
    December 4th, 2009 at 10:38 am

    I agree- A Trifecta. Tiger Woods, Al Gore and Obama all in one week.

    Indirectly, I hope this scandal is the undoing of Obama signing away our sovereignty.

  68. “In his inaugural address, President Obama declared his intention to “restore science to its rightful place.”
    =========================
    Correction: junk science

  69. This week OO gathered the experts on job creation and stated ANY IDEAS OUT THERE??????

    So what did ready to lead from day one mean. He could have at least put forward his best idea; but then he never brought forth any legislation on health care.

    READY TO LEAD FROM DAY ONE MEANT: ANY IDEAS OUT THERE?????

    But then he never was specific, and all the American voters knew that. That was one of the things pointed out. So you voted for an empty suit that says again ANY IDEAS OUT THERE?????

  70. hope you all have a great day today, I am off to do a little xmas shopping at the Mall of America before i head back to south dakota on sunday… I haven’t been there in years!

  71. When Barack shrieks that he is looking for new perspectives on the jobs problem, it is an admission that he has no idea what to do about it himself other than expand government. From jobs, to Afghanistan, to soup to nuts, everything he does has nothing to do with problem solving, and everything to do with perpetuating his own tenure. If he were sincere about any of this he would have invited The Chamber of Commerce. We would be building jobs were it not for his high cost high tax policies which have hurt small business. When he says he wants to concentrate on nation building here that is code words for benefiting his cronies. What he is really anxious to do is to loot the white middle class by raising their taxes and cutting their guaranteed benefits–or as he told Joe the Plummer spreadong the wealth.

  72. Do you recall at the conclusion of the primary how obama refused to meet with Hillary supporters, including seniors and working people. They were middle class people. He had time to meet with the gliteraria in San Franciso and cast aspersions on the people who live in small towns, and what they supposedly cling to which was not him. He makes charges against a white cop before he has done any investigation because the non victim is a friend of his. That is prejudice–pre judging, and it is how he views the world. Typical white person–that is his mantra.

  73. Well, Well quite a feat Bambi, in the space of a year, Obama has managed to get Israel to start getting under Russia’s protection.

    Israel has decided to forge a stronger partnership with Russia.

    Israeli FM urges closer cooperation with Russia

    Israel’s foreign minister met with Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin on Friday and called for closer ties and economic cooperation between the two countries. Avigdor Lieberman, leader of Israel’s right-wing ultranationalist Yisrael Beiteinu party, was born in the former Soviet Union, and he spoke with Putin in flawless Russian, throwing in a few words of English. Lieberman was visiting Moscow for a session of a Russian-Israeli Intergovernmental Commission, which mainly focuses on economic ties. He lauded the commission for establishing a visa-free system between the two countries last year. He said the measure will likely to double the number of Russian tourists traveling to Israel to 400,000 this year. The committee will invite business communities of both countries to its next session in April 2010 to discuss news initiatives such as measures to help protect Russian and Israeli investment, Lieberman said. Putin praised Israel’s sizable Russian community — “something that unites us with you like no other country” — and Lieberman as its vocal representative. “We are very happy that people from the Soviet Union build such a brilliant political career,” Putin said, referring to Lieberman. Lieberman and Putin did not discuss Iran or any other foreign policy issues on the record. After stepping down as president in 2008, Putin formally isn’t in charge of Russia’s foreign policy.

    htt p://ww w.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9CCG48O3.htm

  74. When the Foreign Minister of Israel makes overtures such as this to a former KGB agent it is mega-political. This is a first step perhaps in dismantling an alliance which Obama and the people behind him do not approve of–I am talking about Brzinzski and Soros. If I were in Israels shoes, looking at Obama, I would be hedging my bet in precisely this way. They have common security and economic interests. What has prevented this in the past has been our close relationship with that country, but too many American Jews seem more in love with anti Israeli Obama than with their homeland. I cannot for the life of me understand that sentiment, so if I am misreading this then by all means tell me. But this does not leave the United States in an enviable position, since we have many ties to Israel, and they have been our steadfast ally. Unfortunately, under Obama we have broken faith with them.

  75. Wbboei, As per your last post, I wish my Mom was still alive she would know the significance of this. I know why some Jews are enamored with Obama, its preordained that that would happen. So it comes as no big surprise to me. Some Jews will be lost.

  76. Wbboei, As I told you last night I am getting ready for new carpet in my bedroom, so I am going thru some stuff and I ran across some of my Mom’s old books. The first book I found as it was on top, was one entitled “The New World Order”. My mom was years ahead of everyone on her politics. She told me just before she died in 2004 that Romney was going to run in 08′. He wasn’t even on the radar then. So I was shocked when I opened up this box and there on top was The New World Order Book that was hers.

  77. Connie, that sounds like an interesting book. These groups are symptomatic of a phenomenon which Tom Sowell has written about. It is called The Vision of The Annointed.

    You mentioned to me this group called The Club of Rome. Lots of Scandinavians, and they are also the ones who gave Obama the Nobel Prize. He is their mascot. Writing about them Tom says: “What the Club of Rome wanted was collective coercive powers now to head off some impending catastrophe. They were discussing scenarios such as stopping population growth in 1975 and industrial capital growth in 1985. They wanted society to make collective coercive decisions through surrogates like themselves to decide in a world forum where statesmen, policymakers and scientists would decide what needed to be done. Such concerted international measures and joint long term planning would be done on a scale and a scope unprecedented in history. And (they argued) that to do nothing was to invite collapse.

    Like most prophesies of doom, the Club of Rome report had an agenda and a vision–the vision of the annointed urgently needed to control the otherwise fatal flaws of lesser human beings. Long after the Club of Rome report had become a footnote in history the long history of overheated rhetoric and academic hubris, the pattern of arguments including the promisucous display of symbols of science aptly characterized by Gunnar Mydal as quasi learnedness will remain as a classic pattern of orchestrated hysteria in the service of the vision of the annointed.”

    This is why the suppression of contrary evidence on global warming is a real turd in the punch bowl for globalists like Obama. It calls the game on him. He was put there to deliver up the United States, whereas now it will be harder to do.

  78. wbboei, THis book states that the World Order is associated the points of light. I wonder if they realized then that there is now a Points of Light Institute?? This was in 1932. This book is scaring the hell out of me because what they were saying then is HAPPENING now. It also stated in order for the World Order to take place there had to be an equitable distribution of income (wealth)and that the major function of the school would be of social orientation of the individual. So they also had to take over the school and redistribute wealth. OMG, this is what Obama is doing now.

    It was a mere accident that I ran across my mom book today.

  79. wbboei, Just tried to post an comment about the tt30, apparently big brother doesn’t want it out cause I lost the connection.
    I urge everyone to go to the tt30 website and look up who and what voted Obama in office.

  80. Of course people are scamming the cap and trade thing, that’s what it’s for: to give an illusion of doing something for the environment while really enriching Obama’s polluting donors.

    The CRU scandal is a different matter, but CRU is only one of several climate research centers: the others (NASA, NOAA, etc) are not implicated. (And CRU’s raw data does support the accepted findings of climate change; it was just some presentations they over-simplified.)

    h/ no w
    tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/the_hacked_climate_change_emails_what_they_do_and.php
    But underneath the bombast, the key question is whether the emails — hacked from the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (CRU), and indexed here — actually undermine the case, now settled, that man-made warming is happening. And despite the claims of the New York Post, among others, they don’t come close to doing so.
    [….]
    But as Brad Plumer at The New Republic notes, at least three other respected organizations — NASA, NOAA, and the Japan Meteorological Agency — have been analyzing global temperature trends, and all three, like CRU, have found clear evidence that warming is occurring. (Plumer even has a handy chart.)
    [….]
    OK, they might say to the deniers, we’ll treat all of CRU’s data as irrevocably compromised, and never refer to it again. From now on, we’ll rely only on information from NASA, NOAA, and the Japan Meteorological Agency, as well as the affirmation of the UN’s Inter-Governmental Panel on Climate Change. The consensus that warming is happening would be unaffected.

    Still, in the lead-up to the Copenhagen summit, you can expect right-wingers to ramp up the overblown claims in regard to these emails. When it comes down to it, what else have they got?

  81. wbboei, When is the Copenhaugen thing?? I forgot when this climate deal is supposed to be signed by the imposter. Its all wrapped up with stimulus, global warming, healthcare, imminent domain and the incoming Potus that will redistribute wealth. Even the viral video of Howie Dean saying “will be have capitalism or socialism or a little of both”. Its all in this book that I found today. It will be socialism I am afraid.
    Well we will all see when the Climate bill is signed in Copenhaugen, its all about that.

  82. In 1950 one senator said we will have a world govt, the only question is will it be by consent or conquest? That is the question.

  83. Much good info and links here:

    h/w
    tnr.com/blog/the-vine/another-round-the-cru-e-mails
    Another Round With The CRU E-mails…
    CRU isn’t the only group in the world tracking global temperature trends. As Michael Schlesinger, a climatologist at the University of Illinois, points out, there are at least three other groups, including NASA, NOAA, and the Japan Meteorological Agency, that have been analyzing surface temperature data for well over a century (there’s a fair bit of overlap in what raw data they use, but they all have their own ways of analyzing it). Here’s how they all stack up.
    All very similar, all showing the same clear upward trend. (If anything, note that CRU readings have been on the low side in recent years, largely because they don’t include temps from the Arctic, where the Earth is warming most rapidly.)

    Image is here and also at the article link at the beginning of this post.
    h/w
    tnr.com/sites/default/files/CRU-NASA-NOAA-JMA.jpg

  84. Earlier today I had a look at main article index on realclearpolitics. Finally, some things, including ClimateGate, are growing legs.
    I see the Senate has given back something to women and taken away beaucoup bux from Medicare. Thought that’s what a President John McCain would have done.

    What’s missing on the net today for me, is any word of a big military action which had the word ‘Cobra’ in its name. It was breaking news in the 4:30 to 5:30 AM time frame today on network TV. Involved Marines. Has word of this leaked down to Big Pink?

  85. realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/12/04/dems_doing_liberalism_badly_99401.html

    December 4, 2009

    Dems Doing Liberalism Badly

    By David Paul Kuhn

    Democrats lived down the Great Society’s excesses for decades. Yet today’s Democrats appear unable to even get basic liberalism right. A historic progressive moment has passed. The cost is millions of jobs and over the long term, the perception of liberalism’s efficacy.

    Barack Obama inherited a progressive moment unseen since Lyndon Johnson and Franklin Roosevelt before him. In this crisis, liberals had a chance to prove Ronald Reagan wrong.

    “This was a great turning point in history, the end of the conservative era. Conservatism imploded just as it imploded during the Hoover years,” said Allan Lichtman, a presidential historian at American University. “That opened up an opportunity for real progressive change in America and I think Obama has missed the moment.”

    The story is the stimulus package. The Bush-Obama rescues of the financial sector were reactive and overly blunt weapons to prevent the really bad. They were soft on Wall Street but ultimately averted the economic panics of old. The stimulus was a different beast. It was Democrats’ first big chance in decades to position government to affirmatively promote good, the keystone principle of active state liberalism from Lincoln to both Roosevelts to LBJ. Thereafter, the recovery of liberal thought was invested in the economic recovery act.

    “If we don’t act, a bad situation will become dramatically worse,” Obama said of the stimulus bill in early February. “Crisis could turn into catastrophe.”

    Nearly nine months later, the stimulus has proven unable to turn the unemployment tide. The Obama administration said the stimulus would keep the jobless rate around 8 percent. The rate stands at 10, 0.2 below last month because of hiring in what the Bureau of Labor terms “temporary help services” as well as continued hiring in the health care industry. The recession has, in total, lowered the nation’s payroll by 7.2 million jobs.

    The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office recently reported that the stimulus generated between 600,000 and 1.6 million jobs. It lowered the nation’s unemployment rate between 0.3 and 0.9 percentage points. Significant, but not exactly “catastrophe” avoiding. At best, as of now, the stimulus has cost $491,875 per job created. Meanwhile, the nation still languishes in double-digit unemployment.

    The Democratic leadership let the stimulus morph into a buffet of poorly targeted spending. “The public face of the stimulus package has been the worker in a hard hat,” as the Associated Press reported last summer. But in reality, the AP reported, most of the roughly $300 billion in state dollars was to go to social services—two-thirds to the health care sector alone. Yet the month before the stimulus passed, health care was the only major sector to add jobs.

    The public has noticed. Only 7 percent of Americans believe the stimulus has created jobs, a recent CBS News poll found. Almost half of adults remain hopeful. But as we’ve seen this year, political expectations can quickly sour.

    Meanwhile, the philosophical repercussions are already apparent. An August Gallup poll found that 57 percent of Americans believed “government is trying to do too many things”—a 10-point rise since March and the highest rate since the 1990s.

    Thursday, ahead of the new unemployment numbers, Obama convened a jobs summit. “We cannot hang back and hope for the best when we’ve see the kinds of job losses that we’ve seen over the last year,” the president told reporters.

    But where was this aggressive attitude in February? Where was the jobs summit then? Why did the Democratic leadership not stick to what Democrats once did best? Why did Obama outsource the stimulus package to Congress? Why did Obama not personally invest his then-popular image into a jobs bill?

    “FDR took control of the debate. Johnson too. Obama hasn’t taken control of the debate,” Lichtman said.

    Obama’s grip is far weaker today. He is a president with roughly half the country behind him. The public overwhelmingly opposes a second stimulus program. So do key moderate Democrats in Congress. Stimulus disappointment undercuts any new jobs bill. Deficit constraints are now at the fore of the American mind.

    What was sold as a new New Deal, in the end, was not. The byproduct is unemployment unseen in a quarter century. And Obama clumsily appears on the side of the two bête noires of the day: big business and big government.

    A direct jobs program, like Roosevelt’s WPA, would have been difficult. But Obama and the Democratic leadership never tried.

    FDR had more bipartisan support. He did not face the rampant use of the filibuster. But FDR also focused myopically on the economy in 1933. And today’s stimulus, for its special interest boondoggles, was far easier to politically oppose than a true jobs bill.

    Obama framed Thursday’s jobs summit as a search for “every demonstrably good idea.” Yet, to belabor a point, the old liberal idea is forgotten: new jobs create new voters.

    There are few signs of infrastructure spending across the land because there has been a relatively small amount spent. Meanwhile, based on BLS data, blue-collar laborers account for about two-thirds all job losses in this recession! FDR’s “forgotten man” is forgotten.

    Administration officials say that direct jobs programs are inefficient to administer. Never mind the irony that liberal red tape, like environmental concerns, has undermined the core liberal agenda. But here we are, nearly nine months later, and Obama’s way has hardly proven efficient. Only about a quarter of the stimulus has been spent.

    Blame rests on the powerful. That’s the Democrats. And liberalism is, in Lichtman’s words, “a huge casualty.”

    **********************************
    what a farce…and tragedy!

  86. Apparently the New World Order members have been wanting us to assume the debts of third world countries for a long time. Which in essence is what we will do if Obama signs the Copenhaugen deal.

    An excerpt from this book,1986 in Seoul, South Korea Treasury sec. James Baker lectures for countries not to go it alone and the Peruvian Minister of Finance Alva Castro, responds with a plea for a New World Order to replace the Monetary Fund and assume the debt of third world countries.,This appears in an article entitled “Towards a New World Order” in THe Financial TImes on May 22, 1986.

    The rethugs are in this too, just as I thought.

  87. Your analysis is correct Wbboei…American Jews, unlike their Israeli counterparts, are by in large in the tank for Obama even after his blatant anti-Israeli policy has unfolded…..from the money men to the old condo commandos who still think they are voting for FDR, the American Jew, guilt ridden by our success, and historically taking up the cause for the less fortunate , are enabling Obama to carry out his treacherous policies. From Emanuel and Axelrod, to the liberal Rabbis and teachers, we (Jews) are so pathetic that we would rather see total assimilation of our people , at the expense of our traditional support for Israel. I have never seen Jewish Congressmen/woman so silent , not to mention mainstream Jewish organizations, in the face of Obama’s disdain for the Jewish state.
    Israelis, unlike American Jews, have from the start saw Obama as hostile to their interests, and Netanyahu popularity has risen tremendously . Israel, unlike America, does not have the luxury of making critical mistakes in judgment .

  88. Just realized I’m not helpless:
    KABUL, Afghanistan — U.S. Marines and Afghan troops have launched the first offensive since President Barack Obama announced an American troop surge. Maj. William Pelletier, a U.S. military spokesman, said about 1,000 Marines as well as Afghan troops launched Operation Cobra’s Anger early Friday in the northern part of Helmand province.

    www dot google.com/hostednews/ap/article etc.

  89. BREAKING…Blago’s lawyer’s office broken into…8 computers with evidence for Blago’s defense stolen, etc…

    hmmmm…

  90. confloyd…it broke on tv and a detective came on and would only say 8 computers were stolen and no other comments

    chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/12/computers-with-blagojevich-evidence-stolen-from-lawfirm.html

  91. They need a diversion from Al Gore’s rear end on the end of a hot spit getting roasted on Climategate… Gore is another shill for the Obama/Soros Cabal.

  92. Washington (CNN) – Support for President Barack Obama’s Afghanistan policy is fairly high, but that hasn’t stopped his approval rating from dropping below 50 percent for the first time in a CNN poll.

    According to a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation national survey released Friday, 48 percent of Americans approve of the job Obama’s doing as president, with 50 percent disapproving. The 48 percent approval is a 7 point drop in approval from last month.

    “The poll indicates that the biggest drop in approval comes from non college educated white voters,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. “That’s one indication among many that Obama’s growing unpopularity may be more related to unemployment and the poor economy.”

  93. There was also this today about Russia/Israel relations…

    —————-
    Russia’s Putin to visit Israel in 2010

    MOSCOW — Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin will visit Israel in 2010, he said on Friday, following a recent chill in ties between Moscow and Israel’s arch-enemy Iran.

    Putin’s pledge to visit the Jewish state came during a meeting in Moscow with Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, who told him: “We would be happy to see you in Israeli in 2010.”

    “Thank you very much for the invitation. I will definitely come,” replied Putin, who also said: “Israel is one of our highest-priority partners in the Middle East.”

    The announcement came after Russia’s ties with Iran, a longtime partner, became strained in recent weeks due to an apparent toughening in Moscow’s stance on the Iranian nuclear programme.

    On Tuesday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad lashed out at Russia for supporting a vote by the UN’s nuclear watchdog IAEA censuring Tehran over its nuclear plans, in a rare criticism of Moscow by the Iranian leader.

    Iranian officials have also complained that Russia is dragging its feet on fulfilling a contract to supply Iran with advanced S-300 surface-to-air missiles.

    Iranian Defence Minister Ahmad Vahidi last month called on Russia “to fulfil the contract and not be influenced by Zionist pressure.”

    Moscow has never officially confirmed the existence of the S-300 contract.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j0rYOcGnXxNPcdy2OQC1OyulMQpw

  94. S, Its not on Drudge or Yahoo.

    Mrs.SMith, I hate to say this but I agree, Gore is in on it and has been for a long time. We should not trust him. He did help screw Hillary out of the nomination, coupled with climategate, Gore is about to be toast. He should give back his nobel and give it to the lady that saved all those Jewish children in WWII.

    I voted for Gore, cried when they cheated him out of it. I can’t understand why though because the Bushes and the Gores are on the same team.

  95. &

    Russia turns to Israel for help in investigation into train bombing

    Dec. 3, 2009

    Russia asked Israel on Thursday for assistance in securing its public transportation system in the wake of last week’s terrorist attack on a train near Moscow, Army Radio reported.

    Russian Deputy Prime Minister Victor Zubkov, requested that Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman allow the committee investigating the attack to visit Israel.

    It is suspected that last week’s attack, in which 26 people were killed, was perpetrated by a Chechen-Muslim terrorist organization.

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1259831456324&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

    ———————-

    But, in my personal opinion, I don’t trust Russia’s Putin anymore than I trust bambi.

    Russia’s antisemitic history with its Jewish population is tragic and full of bloodshed. My grandparents escaped from their monstrous regimes to Canada for that very reason.

    SO it is with a lot of worry that I watch this latest movement.

  96. December 5, 2009

    This is our fight together, Hillary Clinton says after troops pledge

    David Charter in Brussels

    Hillary Clinton has welcomed pledges of 7,000 extra troops from 25 countries to join the US surge in Afghanistan, although a large part of the commitment came from nations outside Nato.

    The US Secretary of State told Nato yesterday that Afghanistan was “a crucial test for the most successful military alliance in history”. However, the grand total of reinforcements to the 30,000-strong US surge was made more respectable by 1,000 troops from Georgia and 500 from South Korea.

    Britain will provide 1,200 soldiers, with 500 new troops, and 700 who were sent to help with the Afghan election remaining in the country. Italy and Poland made the next most substantial offers, with 1,000 and 600 respectively, but France said that it was unlikely to send frontline soldiers.

    The number of foreign forces from the 44-country International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) will now be more than 140,000, although more training staff are needed for the Afghan Army and police.

    “This is our fight, together. And we must finish it together. The US will not ask others to do what we are not prepared to do ourselves,” Mrs Clinton told foreign ministers in Brussels.

    Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the Nato Secretary-General, wanted to correct the impression that the withdrawal deadline of July 2011 for US troops announced by President Obama was a decision to quit Afghanistan. “It will not be a run for the exit. It will be a well-co-ordinated and well-prepared transition to Afghan-led responsibility in provinces and districts where conditions so permit,” Mr Rasmussen said.

    He declined to say how many of the 25 contributing countries were from Nato. Germany and France were among prominent Nato members waiting for the Afghanistan summit in London on January 28 before making commitments.

    Mr Rasmussen said: “Nations are backing up their words with deeds. At least 25 countries will send more forces to the mission in 2010. They have offered around 7,000 new forces with more to come. That is solidarity in action and it will have a powerful effect on the ground.”

    Mr Rasmussen wants Nato operations to focus on aid, training and efforts to reintegrate Taleban fighters into society. “There should be no misunderstanding. We are not going to leave Afghanistan to fall back into the hands of terrorists and the extremists who host them,” he said.

    David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, said: “We are now at a vital time and we all know that in the 1990s Afghanistan was the incubator of international terrorism, the incubator of choice for global jihad.”

    Major-General Eric Tremblay, a spokesman for Isaf in Afghanistan, said that it needed 41 military training teams and 174 police training teams. Isaf wants to have 134,000 troops in the Afghan Army by October and a 96,800-strong police force by June.

    A new offensive was started in Helmand province by about 900 Isaf and 150 Afghan national security forces. Daud Ahmadi, a spokesman for the Helmand governor, said: “So far, four Taleban dead bodies were left behind on the battlefield. But enemy casualties could be higher.”

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/Afghanistan/article6945276.ece

  97. December 4, 2009

    Clinton: ‘It’s daunting’ planning a wedding

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said she is thrilled about her daughter’s engagement, but isn’t sure how she will find the time to plan the wedding.

    “I am officially an MOTB: a mother of the bride,” Clinton said Friday in an interview with CNN’s John Roberts. “And I am very excited about it”

    Clinton’s daughter, Chelsea, is engaged to marry Marc Mezvinsky, the son of former congressmen Marjorie Margolies-Mezvinsky of Pennsylvania and Ed Mezvinsky of Iowa.

    “For me, [it’s] particularly an extraordinary moment to see how happy my daughter is and to have a wonderful man that will become my son-in-law. But it’s daunting to try and plan a wedding.”

    Related video: Clinton discusses NATO troops.

    Clinton, who has been criss-crossing the globe since becoming Secretary of State, said she recently received an encouraging call from former Secretary of State Madeline Albright.

    “Madeline Albright called me the other night and said, ‘Well, when I was Secretary of State and had not a minute to myself, I had to plan a wedding, so if you need any advice, just call me,'” Clinton told Roberts in an interview in Brussels, where she is trying to rally European support for President Obama’s new strategy in Afghanistan. “And I said, “I’ll be calling.”

    Clinton said the size of the wedding has not been determined, but noted it would be private.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/12/04/clinton-its-daunting-planning-a-wedding/

  98. JanH-

    “Clinton’s daughter, Chelsea, is engaged to marry Marc Mezvinsky, the son of former congressmen Marjorie Margolies-Mezvinsky of Pennsylvania and Ed Mezvinsky of Iowa.”

    “For me, [it’s] particularly an extraordinary moment to see how happy my daughter is and to have a wonderful man that will become my son-in-law. But it’s daunting to try and plan a wedding.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~

    I believe the whole country is excited for Chelsea getting married and exuberant at the prospect of Bill and Hillary having an extended family through Chelsea and Marc.

    I found out yesterday, http://hillaryunleashed.wordpress.com had over 18,000 hits on the Chelsea getting married post and that was about the wedding plans posted last August. So, the country awaits with the promise Chelsea is in fact getting married for sure this time… 🙂 We LOVE her so… 🙂

  99. wbboei, There’s a new guy, he founded the Bilderberg group, His name is Prince Bernhard. The Bilderberg’s was founded in 1954.

  100. Breaking : ‘UK can’t back Obama pledge on Afghan pullout’ UK Defence Secretary

    htt p://ww w.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/Afghanistan/article6945447.ece

    Tensions between Britain and America over the war in Afghanistan erupted into the open yesterday as the Defence Secretary questioned President Obama’s decision to put a date on the start of US troop withdrawals.

    In an interview with The Times, Bob Ainsworth said that the Government would not follow Washington’s promise to start pulling out in 2011. “You can’t put a time on it. You’ve got to look at conditions,” he said.

    He accepted that the public would not tolerate the war “going on for ever”, but insisted there was no deadline for withdrawal. “Nobody is talking about a drawdown, we are talking about bringing more in there . . . but we are talking about transition.” He said that it would be wrong to set a date for the start of troop reductions.

    His comments reflect dismay at the highest level in the British Armed Forces about Mr Obama’s suggestion this week that US troop withdrawals would start by mid-2011. Britain expects to have substantial forces on the ground in Afghanistan for at least five or six more years.

    read on…………….

  101. CNN Poll: Obama approval below 50 percent

    Dec. 4, 2009 WASHINGTON, Dec. 4 (UPI) — U.S. President Barack Obama’s job approval rating fell below 50 percent for the first time in a CNN poll, the cable news network said Friday.

    Forty-eight percent of Americans approve of the job Obama is doing as president, a 7 percentage point drop from last month, results of the latest CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey indicated.

    Fifty percent of Americans disapproved, the results showed.

    “The poll indicates that the biggest drop in approval comes from non-college educated white voters,” CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said. “That’s one indication among many that Obama’s growing unpopularity may be more related to unemployment and the poor economy.”

    Six in 10 respondents said they favor Obama’s plan to send 30,000 additional troops to Afghanistan, while two-thirds said they support his plan to start a troop drawdown in the summer of 2011, ground conditions permitting.

    Most respondents said they thought announcing the withdrawal start date was not a good idea, results said.

    Several late-November polls indicated Obama’s approval rating was this low even before he announced the temporary troop surge Tuesday, CNN said. Weekly averages of national polls showed Obama’s approval consistently at 52 percent or 53 percent from mid-October through mid-November.

    The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. nationwide telephone poll interviewed 1,041 people Wednesday and Thursday. The margin of error is 3 percentage points.

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/2009/12/04/CNN-Poll-Obama-approval-below-50-percent/UPI-80491259957900/

  102. hmmm…

    Dec 4, 2009, 19:48 GMT

    Obama shortens itinerary around Nobel prize ceremony

    Oslo – US President Barack Obama has scratched items from the agenda surrounding his upcoming date to receive the Nobel Prize for Peace in Oslo, the Nobel Committee in the Norwegian capital Oslo reported Friday.

    A previously planned press conference before the ceremony on December 10 is to be cancelled, while a short press conference after Obama’s meeting with Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg is also likely to be cut.

    The US president’s various domestic and international political commitments were given as the justification for the cancellations.

    http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/usa/news/article_1517132.php/Obama-shortens-itinerary-around-Nobel-prize-ceremony

  103. I voted for Gore, cried when they cheated him out of it. I can’t understand why though because the Bushes and the Gores are on the same team.

    ======================

    Well, that’s evidence they’re NOT on the same team.

  104. While Hillary is working 24/7 doing BO damage repair he is in PA trying to explain what he does not know anything about anything and he istaying out of the outhouse until after the upcoming holidays.He could generate many new jobs by building more jails for some of his supporters who are intent on carrying out his empowerment and retribution legacy.

    Meanwhile out in the globe Hillary is mending fences and trying to explain what the messiah’s loose lips are spouting.Take a look at her schedule.

    =====================================================================

    MR. KELLY: Okay, good afternoon. Well, the Secretary had, obviously, a very busy day today in Brussels. She had meetings with the NATO Secretary General and she participated in several meetings of the North Atlantic Council, with NATO foreign ministers, and with non-NATO ISAF-contributing nations. There was a meeting of the NATO-Russia Council as well. It was a very productive day.

    The allies strongly endorsed the President’s strategy and approach toward Afghanistan. Twenty-five countries pledged to do more in terms of troops, trainers, and trust fund contributions. NATO and ISAF – and their ISAF partners pledged to contribute about 7,000 more troops, and we expect that there will be several thousand more likely in the near future.

    ISAF countries also began a discussion on improving civilian coordination with an eye to agreeing on new mechanisms by the time of the London conference in January. In addition, NATO countries and Russia formally restarted the NATO-Russia Council by convening the first formal ministerial meetings since December of 2007. They also agreed to some restructuring of the NRC and a work program for 2010.

    The Secretary had a number of bilateral meetings. She met with UK Foreign Secretary Miliband, Polish Foreign Minister Sikorski, Norwegian Foreign Minister Store, Spanish Foreign Minister Moratinos, Georgian Foreign Minister Vashadze, Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov, and she had her first meeting with the EU – the new EU High Rep Ashton. In that latter meeting, of course, they talked about Afghanistan, which she did in all of her meetings. They also had a chance to talk about the very important meetings next week related to the EU. It’ll be the first meeting of foreign ministers for the new EU High Rep Lady Ashton, in addition to a European Council meeting, which, of course, is a summit meeting. And they – as I said, they discussed Afghanistan, but they also discussed Iran, because we expect that the Iranian issue will be addressed in the EU Council meeting and there will be a broad discussion on next steps in that meeting.

  105. confloyd:

    “Mrs.SMith, I hate to say this but I agree, Gore is in on it and has been for a long time. We should not trust him. He did help screw Hillary out of the nomination, coupled with climategate, Gore is about to be toast. He should give back his nobel and give it to the lady that saved all those Jewish children in WWII.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    By now it is apparent HOW Gore got the Nobel and WHY- The Soros Cabal needed the credibility of giving Gore the Nobel for his work on Global Warming to provide credible cover for his deeper motive of getting Congress to pass Cap and Trade. Soros intended to enrich himself at the expense of Tax Payers. Because if corporate has to pay for emission credits, they will pass the expense along to the everday uses of the consumer in the way of higher food prices/heating/gasoline and more.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~

    holdthemaccountable
    December 4th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    Earlier today I had a look at main article index on realclearpolitics. Finally, some things, including ClimateGate, are growing legs.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

    Climategate is growing legs and Al Gore is too chicken to face the music. If Global warming is caused by humans and CO2 emissions are the final nail in our coffins. Well then, why doesn’t Gore defend his principles to his dying breath? Gore is refusing a public debate on the topic because scientists in the UK have debunked his theory.. Instead, he’s running away like he did in 1999 when the Clintons were too bad a name to be associated with in his purist campaign and Campaign Chairman Donna (Lard Ass) Brazile.

    http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.berlingske.dk%2Fklima%2Fal-gore-aflyser-foredrag-under-cop15&sl=da&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

    Here is what Gore said to the tin-foiled skeptics who were unafraid of the “larger chance of losing their credibility”

    “Gore urged the remaining skeptics of man-caused global warming to at least support the effort to build the economy, create new jobs and reduce dependence on foreign oil by installing solar, wind and geothermal power and build an electrical grid to support the new technology.

    A Hell of a tradeoff wouldn’t you say? Spinning global warming into jobs; when he could have been honest about it promoting the benefits of going GREEN and said so in the first place? But it wasn’t just that at all was it? It was the Cap and Trade. Soros getting millions as the World’s biggest buyer of emission credits because of Gore pushing Global Warming with his movie “Inconvenient Truth”. Soros used Gore, and Gore knew it but he went along with it anyway because he was getting what he wanted- a Peace Prize and making millions starting “Green” companies….. and Soros was to be the biggest bidder auctioning off emission credits and polluter’s would have to come to Soros and pay whatever price he asked for the credits or barter their way out of their situation with Soros most likely partnering up with any company who needed what he was selling.

    Gore has had plenty of time to defend Global Warming/Climate Change. Now that thousands of private e-mails reveal there was tampering with the results (like deleting info from the 80s) they gerry-rigged the results to reflect the numbers needed to make their case. God Bess hackers…

  106. Only one research facility (at a university in Wales) did anything dubious, and it was only with presentation images. Their basic research remains sound, and other facilities were not even involved in the Wales group. See my posts above.

  107. “Their basic research remains sound”

    Where is the proof of that statement?

    Poppycock!

    Now comes Climategate. It is out of step with the media agenda. What does the media do now?

    “Ignore it,” has been the first answer.

    Regard it as an unimportant story. Not nearly as important as Tiger Woods or the couple that crashed a White House party. It is just another hacker, and undoubtedly the work of one of those oil company shills. Yes, ignore it. It will fade away.

    The second answer: Write about Climategate’s general unimportance and give the parties involved a platform to dismiss the charges. Various outlets took minor steps to cover the story in a limited, dismissive way.

    But the major networks stonewalled.

    You must know this about the leaked files: While the emails were damning, the real “meat” was in the computer code leaked. Skeptical climate scientists have already studied it; they find it to be an outrageous manipulation that takes real temperature data and converts them into a warming fairytale. This data form the baseline for the research used by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

    This is huge.

    Those who counter this argument by saying there are three other databases, and the two that use surface temperatures agree with this data, need to rethink what they are saying. Think about it. The CRU data is scientifically meaningless, and the scientists at the other centers are in constant contact with the scientists at CRU. There is a strong likelihood that the other databases are similarly without scientific merit.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/coleman-media-will-ignore-climategate-until-they-hear-i-was-wrong-pjm-exclusive/

    NEWSFLASH: The Fox is in the Henhouse-

    U.N. to open “climategate” probe, Issa criticizes Obama’s refusal to investigate.

    The UN has announced it will open an investigation into climate research as a result of the CRU e-mails and documents that became public last week. The UN said it is launching the probe because some of the research in question touches on related work either completed or promoted by its own Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

    So far President Obama has made no official public statement on “climategate”, and is resisting calls for an investigation. The White House’s reluctance to look into the matter stems from the fact that its top scientists claim that the scandal doesn’t prove that man-made global warming is not occurring. (spin)
    [snip]

    Rep. Darrell Issa, R-CA, said Friday that the UN announcement is a “direct rebuke” of the Obama administration.

    Rep. Issa went on to call the White House’s refusal to open an investigation “a sad abdication of their responsibility to ensure that U.S. policies are not driven by corrupted science and data.”

    “The very integrity of the report that the Obama administration has predicated much of its climate change policy has been called into question and it is unconscionable that this administration and Congress is willing to abdicate responsibility of uncovering the truth to the United Nations,” said Issa, who is the ranking member on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

    http://www.examiner.com/x-20909-Columbia-Independent-Examiner~y2009m12d4-UN-to-open-climategate-probe-Issa-criticizes-Obamas-refusal-to-investigate

    If Obama is stonewalling an investigation into Climategate one has to ask why would he have a problem simply saying: “Only one research facility (at a university in Wales) did anything dubious, and it was only with presentation images. Their basic research remains sound, and other facilities were not even involved in the Wales group.” and be done with it?

  108. If this is a duplicate please delete one of them… thanks-

    Poppycock!

    Now comes Climategate. It is out of step with the media agenda. What does the media do now?

    “Ignore it,” has been the first answer.

    Regard it as an unimportant story. Not nearly as important as Tiger Woods or the couple that crashed a White House party. It is just another hacker, and undoubtedly the work of one of those oil company shills. Yes, ignore it. It will fade away.

    The second answer: Write about Climategate’s general unimportance and give the parties involved a platform to dismiss the charges. Various outlets took minor steps to cover the story in a limited, dismissive way.

    But the major networks stonewalled.

    You must know this about the leaked files: While the emails were damning, the real “meat” was in the computer code leaked. Skeptical climate scientists have already studied it; they find it to be an outrageous manipulation that takes real temperature data and converts them into a warming fairytale. This data form the baseline for the research used by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

    This is huge.

    Those who counter this argument by saying there are three other databases, and the two that use surface temperatures agree with this data, need to rethink what they are saying. Think about it. The CRU data is scientifically meaningless, and the scientists at the other centers are in constant contact with the scientists at CRU. There is a strong likelihood that the other databases are similarly without scientific merit.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/coleman-media-will-ignore-climategate-until-they-hear-i-was-wrong-pjm-exclusive/

    NEWSFLASH: The Fox is in the Henhouse-

    U.N. to open “climategate” probe, Issa criticizes Obama’s refusal to investigate.

    The UN has announced it will open an investigation into climate research as a result of the CRU e-mails and documents that became public last week. The UN said it is launching the probe because some of the research in question touches on related work either completed or promoted by its own Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

    So far President Obama has made no official public statement on “climategate”, and is resisting calls for an investigation. The White House’s reluctance to look into the matter stems from the fact that its top scientists claim that the scandal doesn’t prove that man-made global warming is not occurring. (spin)
    [snip]

    Rep. Darrell Issa, R-CA, said Friday that the UN announcement is a “direct rebuke” of the Obama administration.

    Rep. Issa went on to call the White House’s refusal to open an investigation “a sad abdication of their responsibility to ensure that U.S. policies are not driven by corrupted science and data.”

    “The very integrity of the report that the Obama administration has predicated much of its climate change policy has been called into question and it is unconscionable that this administration and Congress is willing to abdicate responsibility of uncovering the truth to the United Nations,” said Issa, who is the ranking member on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

    http://www.examiner.com/x-20909-Columbia-Independent-Examiner~y2009m12d4-UN-to-open-climategate-probe-Issa-criticizes-Obamas-refusal-to-investigate

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    If Obama is stonewalling an investigation into Climategate one has to ask why would he have a problem simply saying: “Only one research facility (at a university in Wales) did anything dubious, and it was only with presentation images. Their basic research remains sound, and other facilities were not even involved in the Wales group.” and be done with it?

  109. Here is a quick answer. The others have links for proof. I’d appreciate the same consideration… iydm-

    If Obama is stonewalling an investigation into Climategate one has to ask why would he have a problem simply saying: “Only one research facility (at a university in Wales) did anything dubious, and it was only with presentation images. Their basic research remains sound, and other facilities were not even involved in the Wales group.” and be done with it?

  110. Mrs. Smith, the globalists have been wanting to use this global warming thing since the 50’s to get the American taxpayers to pay the third world countries debts. This enables the one world govt. people to finally get what they want a Fabian Socialist Paradise.

  111. Breaking : ‘UK can’t back Obama pledge on Afghan pullout’ UK Defence Secretary

    htt p://ww w.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/Afghanistan/article6945447.ece

    Tensions between Britain and America over the war in Afghanistan erupted into the open yesterday as the Defence Secretary questioned President Obama’s decision to put a date on the start of US troop withdrawals.

    In an interview with The Times, Bob Ainsworth said that the Government would not follow Washington’s promise to start pulling out in 2011. “You can’t put a time on it. You’ve got to look at conditions,” he said.

    He accepted that the public would not tolerate the war “going on for ever”, but insisted there was no deadline for withdrawal. “Nobody is talking about a drawdown, we are talking about bringing more in there . . . but we are talking about transition.” He said that it would be wrong to set a date for the start of troop reductions.

    His comments reflect dismay at the highest level in the British Armed Forces about Mr Obama’s suggestion this week that US troop withdrawals would start by mid-2011. Britain expects to have substantial forces on the ground in Afghanistan for at least five or six more years.
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    Thank you moon. If memory serves big media including the New York Times was promoting the view that Europeans, which in this case includes Britain, were pleased as punch with Obamas sermon on the mount re. Afghanistan. So now you have Gates, Hillary, the generals, the allies, and honest journalists saying we are not locked in to a deadline for withdrawal Obama saying we are locked in and big media screaming in out faces that the emperor has clothes.

    Meanwhile Soros has been uncharacteristically silent, hoping to breathe new like into the Copenhagen communal. Barack will go and sign away our sovereignty. He will brook no dissent. But maybe someone will wake up–maybe. If he goes on Mount Rushmore it will be the rump side of the Mountain along side Bush. Grafitti will be welcome.

  112. Exactly, confloyd- Everything about Obama is based in corruption from Chicago to Washington. Obama has enveloped a wide swath of people (privatizing Congress with substantial donations)who can be used by Soros to promote his agenda. Global Warming because of the “Cap and Trade” was at the top of the list (as clearly stated in your post) enabling them to further deteriorate the quality of life of Americans. Invreasing their cost of living, robbing the Middle Class to enrich the Elite.

    Once Obama/Soros accomplish their goals, they dump their pawns and are onto the next unsuspecting victim who can get them where they want to be. Gore fell prey to the Soros/Obama mystique because of a damaged ego still resonating from the stolen 2000 election. Looking for redemption, Gore was a prime candidate playing right into their hands. All it took was to go along with the program was the promise of a Prize and a solid income. Gore should have known better and did more research into who he was dealing with… Now he will pay the price. A tarnished image forever immortalized as just another willing participant in an Obama/Soros scam.

  113. Great Britain is once again making obama look like an inexperienced idiot. His fixation on a 2011 withdrawal is totally ridiculous on so many levels. I’m sure the enemy is laughing themselves stupid.

  114. Hillary Clinton has welcomed pledges of 7,000 extra troops from 25 countries to join the US surge in Afghanistan, although a large part of the commitment came from nations outside Nato.
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    Hillary is the one who has spearheaded the creation of this coalition. Barack’s stupidity could have killed it if wiser heads had not prevailed and clarified his remarks and when he doubled down on a stupid decision they stood their ground. The military will do an assessment after 18 months and advise the president what withdrawals, if any, are appropriate at that point. There is more at stake here than the problems Obama has with his left wing supporters. We have a war to fight and a coalition to lead, and there is no white flag to unfurl before our enemies, because in Baracks view they are all good Muslims. He may not say that specifically, he may even pretend to negate it, but the lesson of this presidency is ignore his words, and focus on his actions.

  115. Weekend Talk Shows…

    Meet the Press:

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton; Secretary of Defense Robert Gates; Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). Afghanistan; politics: Bob Woodward, Washington Post; Tom Friedman, New York Times. Moderator: David Gregory.

    This Week With George Stephanopoulos:

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton; Secretary of Defense Robert Gates; Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.). Panel: George Will; Richard Haass, Council on Foreign Relations; Katrina vanden Heuvel, the Nation; Peggy Noonan, Wall Street Journal.

    Face the Nation:

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton; Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2009/12/weekend-tv-talk-shows-senate-healthcare-debate-is-the-weekends-hot-topic.html

  116. Great Britain is once again making obama look like an inexperienced idiot. His fixation on a 2011 withdrawal is totally ridiculous on so many levels. I’m sure the enemy is laughing themselves stupid.
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    You are so right Jan.

    Wouldn’t it be grand if AOL TIME WARNER did video review of Obama’s gripping, riveting, mesmerizing speeches which inspire and will lead to the salvation of humanity. I could be entitled I am the way. Think what a nice stocking stuffer that would make–with a warning label which read non flushable material.

  117. Confloyd/ I thought it was December 20/ Chairman Mo is one of Santas elves and he is scheduled to take a Lear Jet down from the North Pole on that date. Mrs. Clause gave him the day off.

  118. confloyd, you said:

    “The globalists have been wanting to use this global warming thing since the 50’s to get the American taxpayers to pay the third world countries debts.” (and I’m adding this because I think this is what you mean) pay the third world countries debts “to them”.. the wealthy countries, the Europeans, Asians etc.. basically on the back of the American Taxpayer. yes?

    If that is the case, Global Grand Theft is being sold as philanthropy helping out the poorer countries.

  119. There’s not much out there on the break-in of the law offices of Blago’s lawyers. The comments from the people who live in Illinois are the most interesting. Most of them agree Blago has something on someone and will never come to trial.

  120. Mrs. Smith, yes your right. I found this book today that was my mom’s. She was way ahead of her time. I wish she were still here to get her thoughts on what is happening today.

    This is an old book, but it covers globalization from 1902 to 1991. It’s been quiet a revelation as I read it today because everything is falling right into place, right down to the nomination of Gates as Sec. of Defense. He is a globalist and belongs to the CFR. According to this book the CFR is pushing this agenda and has for a long, long time. Now we know since the dims got in and Obama got elected the CFR felt the need to set up a new location just down form the State Dept. This book goes on to say that the CFR has been running the State Dept. for years. It also says that the State dept. is more or less ZBig’s baby.

  121. Re Hillary. This is a good rebuttal to the Hillary hating screeds of the female gender like Maurine Dowd, Andrea Mitchell and Campbell Brown. This is the Hillary we know and they cannot see because of their small mindedness.
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    Here is this amazing woman, top of her class, implausible marriage to impossible man, works as hard as the day is long, masters all the forms and spreadsheets of governing, even manages to raise a pretty darn good kid — and then along comes this guy, this groovy Obamarama, with his pleasing mien, his high style, his absolute fabulousness, and he wants the top floor, corner office that she earned.

    And women — women have seen this movie, women have heard this story, women know the drill, have had their manicured fingers ready to ring that particular fire alarm for years now. Women, finally, will say no to that. Real women don’t care what Caroline Kennedy and Maria Shriver with their easy words and easy lives have to say about any of this. No one with a job takes advice from someone with a chef.

  122. It also says that immigration is also a way to get the New World Order going as it causes unrest when there is massive unemployment, yet the globalist will open the flood gates to get more people in, thus causing more civil unrest. The globalists are firm believers in the Alinsky Methods and Community Organizing. This book read like a map of what is happening today.

    Wbboei you were wondering last week why he has started talking about immigration NOW, with all the other things he is doing. Its to cause civil unrest.

  123. Good analogy, confloyd- thanks for posting it. You have my sincerest condolences for losing your mother.

    She found the book, but you were meant to interpret and present it. {{hugs}}

  124. Mrs. Smith, I found the book by chance today as I am getting ready for new carpet and going thru boxes in my closet. I opened the box and right on top of the pile was this book along with all her Catholic books. I guess it was meant for me to find it. I wish I had a scanner I would send you a copy of it. Its very short but choked with info. It gave me chills as I read it. As I turned the pages I half expected to find out who Obama’s parents were, that’s how close it comes to foretelling what is happening today.

    BTW, Al Gore will be on David Letterman’s tonight. I wonder if he will address climategate?

  125. BTW, Al Gore will be on David Letterman’s tonight. I wonder if he will address climategate?

    ~~~~~~~~~

    I have to run an errand. I’ll be back soon. I wonder if Letterman will mention it?

  126. wbboei, Apparently climategate has not stopped the Copenhaugen deal. This is on Yahoo news just now! He is pledging 10 billion a year, WTH are we going to get this money??? Surely the American people can get this stopped before it happens. I don’t think it has to be ratified, I think he can just sign the treaty.

    By BEN FELLER and DINA CAPPIELLO, Associated Press Writers Ben Feller And Dina Cappiello, Associated Press Writers – 2 hrs 18 mins ago
    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama on Friday abruptly altered the timing of his upcoming appearance at an international climate summit in Copenhagen, hoping to capitalize on steps by India and China and build a more meaningful political accord, the White House said.

    The move means Obama will be at the summit on Dec. 18, considered a crucial period when more leaders will be in attendance, as opposed to his scheduled stop in Denmark on Wednesday on his way to Nobel Peace Prize events in Oslo.

    It also means that Obama will be squeezing in a separate, 10th foreign trip before Christmas — a record pace of travel for a first-year president — as a means to giving momentum to a deal aimed at combatting global warming.

    Obama will now leave for Oslo late Wednesday, attend Nobel events Thursday and return to Washington on Friday.

    Obama had said that he would travel to the Copenhagen conference if his appearance would help clinch a deal. His decision to go early to the two-week meeting was looked upon by many as a sign that an agreement was still a long shot.

    But now with the U.S., India and China all with specific proposals on the table for the first time, a political agreement seems more likely. World leaders are no longer expected to reach a legally binding agreement, as had long been the goal, but are aiming for a deal that includes commitments on reducing emissions and financing for developing countries.

    “There are still outstanding issues that must be negotiated for an agreement to be reached, but this decision reflects the president’s commitment to doing all that he can to pursue a positive outcome,” White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said in a statement. Gibbs said the U.S. will have negotiators involved throughout the Dec. 7-18 conference.

    It is also possible that Obama could tack on another agenda item to his revamped, final trip of the year: the signing of a broad treaty with Russia to reduce both nations’ nuclear arsenals. The White House had hoped that deal would be ready in time to coordinate it with his receiving the Nobel Peace Prize, but talks have not produced a final breakthrough.

    On climate, India pledged Thursday to significantly slow the growth of its carbon emissions over the next decade. China announced its own targets for cutting carbon emissions last week, a day after Obama announced the U.S. goals.

    None of the three countries — which are among the top five emitters of carbon dioxide in the world — were subject to limits put in place by the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, the treaty that negotiations in Denmark seek to replace.

    The change in Obama’s travel plans is a political calculation meant to produce the most possible gain at the summit. Obama has promised aggressive leadership on climate change, so much that it helped win him a surprising Nobel Peace Prize.

    “This is a very significant development, which in substance and symbolism greatly enhances the prospects of a satisfactory agreement at Copenhagen,” Rajendra Pachauri, whose Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change shared the Nobel Peace Prize with former Vice President Al Gore in 2007, said about Obama’s plans.

    The development came one day after India said it would cut the ratio of greenhouse gases pollution to production by 20 to 25 percent from 2005 levels by 2020 but would not agree to a hard limit on the amount of heat-trapping gases it could release. India’s pledge, like the one made earlier by China, is a cut in carbon intensity.

    That means emissions can keep rising as their developing economies grow, but they would do so more slowly. China pledged weeks ago to commit to a 40 to 45 percent reduction in carbon intensity from 2005 levels over the next decade. That means its emissions would grow at half the rate they would otherwise.

    By contrast, the U.S. will propose a cut in emissions over the same time period in the range of 17 percent, regardless of the growth of its economy. For the U.S. to achieve the target it proposes, however, Congress will have to pass legislation to curb greenhouse gases blamed for global warming.

    The Senate has said it will not take up the measure until next year.

    And even if it does, a 17 percent reduction by 2020 is lower than what scientists say is needed to avert the dangerous consequences of climate change.

    Scientists say the industrial countries must slash carbon emissions by 25 to 40 percent by 2020 below 1990 levels to prevent the Earth from warming 2 degrees Centigrade (3.6F), the maximum to reduce the worst risks. Obama’s proposal — which matches a bill that passed the House in June — translates to a 4 to 5 percent reduction from 1990 levels.

    Beyond carbon emissions, another hurdle at the climate negotiations is money.

    The White House now says Obama, after talks this week with European leaders, has come up with an “emerging consensus” on how much money — $10 billion a year — polluting rich countries should pay by 2012 to poorer countries, which are more often the victim of global warming. The U.N. climate chief, Yvo de Boer, says $10 billion to $12 billion a year is needed from developed countries through 2012 to “kick-start” the issue.

    Gibbs said the U.S. would pay its “fair share” of the $10 billion amount but did not identify what that was or from where it would come.

    Overall, such money would be used to help those countries adapt to warming already under way by building flood control, changing agriculture, raising buildings and getting better water supplies. The money also would be used to help those poorer countries cut their own greenhouse gas emissions.

  127. This book goes on to say that the CFR has been running the State Dept. for years. It also says that the State dept. is more or less ZBig’s baby.
    ***************

    Hillary is in the State Dept

  128. turndownobama
    December 4th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
    Only one research facility (at a university in Wales) did anything dubious, and it was only with presentation images. Their basic research remains sound, and other facilities were not even involved in the Wales group. See my posts above
    ******************

    I think I will go with Mrs Smith on this one. The greens are really reds on the inside. They have pulled the wool over many an eye. It is sad, because Man is responsible for much pollution and other abhorrent attacks on planet earth. They have put back environmentalism for decades I am afraid.

  129. Wbboei you were wondering last week why he has started talking about immigration NOW, with all the other things he is doing. Its to cause civil unrest.
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    Confloyd; that was not me. I have been pretty settled in my own mind why he is pursuing this illegal immigration business and I addressed it in the paper. There are several reasons, and the one you cite is one of them.

  130. Most of the things he does have more than one reason. Sometimes, there is a short term objective, an intermediate term objective and a long term objective. And although he has a number of supporters, it fully appears that there is a hierarchy, and the Soros group is at the heart of it.

  131. Mrs. Smith
    If Obama is stonewalling an investigation into Climategate one has to ask why would he have a problem simply saying: “Only one research facility (at a university in Wales) did anything dubious, and it was only with presentation images. Their basic research remains sound, and other facilities were not even involved in the Wales group.” and be done with it?

    =====================

    Because of Obama’s big donor polluters who want to discredit the climate change research. Obama wants the question kept in doubt so he can play both sides.

    Same as with abortion: if the issue were settled either
    way, both sides would lose a hot button item.

    If a real investigation showed that the CRU fudging was limited and unimportant, Obama might have to actually DO something for the environment, not just pose. He can pretend he’s defending CRU by blocking an investigation, when in fact he’s making them look worse. He can use this as an excuse to waffle on the Copenhagen agreement just as he waffles on Afganistan and everything else.

  132. One of the many virtues ascribed to Obama by the lions of Big Media was that he was so AUTHENTIC. They went on to assert that Hillary was not. One of the main promoters of this lie were Mitchel, Modo-Dodo. and Campbell Brown. Sickos.

    After the War, there was a song called Tampico. It was about a tourist who goes to that fair city in Mexico expecting to find authentic things only to discover there is nothing authentic about it. That should be Barack’s theme song–it is so him, him, hymn.

    In case you are unfamiliar with the song, here is a clip of it circa 1947 by the Stan Kenton Band with the incomparable June Christy.

  133. Your analysis is correct Wbboei…American Jews, unlike their Israeli counterparts, are by in large in the tank for Obama even after his blatant anti-Israeli policy has unfolded…..from the money men to the old condo commandos who still think they are voting for FDR, the American Jew, guilt ridden by our success, and historically taking up the cause for the less fortunate , are enabling Obama to carry out his treacherous policies. From Emanuel and Axelrod, to the liberal Rabbis and teachers, we (Jews) are so pathetic that we would rather see total assimilation of our people , at the expense of our traditional support for Israel. I have never seen Jewish Congressmen/woman so silent , not to mention mainstream Jewish organizations, in the face of Obama’s disdain for the Jewish state.
    Israelis, unlike American Jews, have from the start saw Obama as hostile to their interests, and Netanyahu popularity has risen tremendously . Israel, unlike America, does not have the luxury of making critical mistakes in judgment .
    ——————————————
    Excellent analysis. At one level they cannot see the forest for the trees. At another level if the goal is to promote true equality then they have chosen the representative. Hence they are forced to defend an indefensible position.

    On a related note, today I learned something I did not know before and that is the real purpose of a jury. According to Balzac it is not to determine the facts, and fairly apply the law. The real purpose of a jury is to determine which side had the best lawyer. To some extent that is probably true.

  134. I guess Gibbs learned everything he knows about sexism from his koolaid master…

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    Gibbs Tells a Female White House Correspondent to ‘Calm Down’
    December 04, 2009

    White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs and American Urban Radio’s White House Correspondent April Ryan have long had a contentious relationship. An exchange they had yesterday has started to garner some attention, including on Thursday’s “Daily Show with John Stewart.”

    Ryan had a heated back-and-forth with Gibbs over whether White House Social Secretary Desiree Rogers overstepped her bounds in the “Gate-Crash-gate” incident and was pressing Gibbs on the subject through repeated questions.

    “Some might have called her the belle of the ball, overshadowing the first lady,” Ryan said.

    Gibbs said he hadn’t heard that criticism before.

    Ryan continued in her questioning, asking whether Rogers had invited herself to the first state dinner.

    Gibbs shrugged it off, then told Ryan to calm down and take a deep breath.

    “This happens with my son. He does the same thing,” Gibbs said, referring to his young child. It drew ooohs from the press corps.

    “Don’t play with me,” Ryan said.

    Some are alleging sexism because Gibbs told a female reporter to calm down.

    “There have been heated exchanges in the White House briefing room before but I have never seen Gibbsy talk down to one of the members of the WH Press Corps in that manner,” wrote blogger Emokidsloveme. “He treated her as if she were a petulant child and hasn’t been called to the carpet on his behavior.”

    In an interview, Ryan declined to comment on the characterization of Gibbs’ comments as sexist.

    Ryan recalled the words of former Clinton White House Press Secretary Mike McCurry, who described the relationship between the White House press office and press corps as a “friendly, adversarial relationship.”

    Ryan said her heated back-and-forth with Gibbs is as an example of that process at work.

    “There are some days where it’s more friendly than adversarial,” Ryan said. “There are some days when it’s more adversarial than friendly. At the end of the day, we always try to find that balance. And you have to remember, there’s always another day.”

    A longtime White House correspondent, who wished not to be identified so as not to alienate either Gibbs or Ryan, said Ryan seemed a little out of control and Gibbs made it personal by comparing her to his son.

    Gibbs declined to comment on Thursday’s exchange.

    This is not the first heated exchange between Gibbs and the press corps. Earlier this year, Gibbs and ABC News’ own White House correspondent, Jake Tapper, had a confrontational exchange that got some notice.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/12/gibbs-tells-a-female-white-house-correspondent-to-calm-down.html

  135. I applaud Ryan for not wanting to make this a sexist issue, like some make things a racist issue.

    However, there is no question in my mind that he put her down as a women, and tried to put her in her place like he would his child. I am glad this is getting press. These things happen all the time in the work place.

  136. turndownobama
    December 5th, 2009 at 1:08 am

    Turndown, my response is still in moderation. Part I

    TD said:

    “Their basic research remains sound”

    ~~~~~~~~~~

    Where is proof of that statement? (links?)

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    Now comes Climategate. It is out of step with the media agenda. What does the media do now?

    “Ignore it,” has been the first answer.

    Regard it as an unimportant story. Not nearly as important as Tiger Woods or the couple that crashed a White House party. It is just another hacker, and undoubtedly the work of one of those oil company shills. Yes, ignore it. It will fade away.

    The second answer: Write about Climategate’s general unimportance and give the parties involved a platform to dismiss the charges. Various outlets took minor steps to cover the story in a limited, dismissive way.

    But the major networks stonewalled.

    You must know this about the leaked files: While the emails were damning, the real “meat” was in the computer code leaked. Skeptical climate scientists have already studied it; they find it to be an outrageous manipulation that takes real temperature data and converts them into a warming fairytale. This data form the baseline for the research used by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

    THIS IS HUGE!

    Those who counter this argument by saying there are three other databases, and the two that use surface temperatures agree with this data, need to rethink what they are saying. Think about it. The CRU data is scientifically meaningless, and the scientists at the other centers are in constant contact with the scientists at CRU. There is a strong likelihood that the other databases are similarly without scientific merit. This statement alone invalidates your argument using the Wales center as the only source of misinformation)

    You can read this 2 pg article at the link explaining how after revealing the contents of over 3000 e-mails between scientists, the media hasn’t done their due diligence alerting the public to the Truth concerning Climate Change data being sequestered from public view revealing the deliberate manipulation of scientific results producing results favorable to their scientific claims of Global Warming.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/coleman-media-will-ignore-climategate-until-they-hear-i-was-wrong-pjm-exclusive/

  137. For all that would like to know about the duties and responsibilities
    Here is the list and she fills the position far more diligently,carefully and completely than anyone has before her.She has the added job of cleaning up after the worst president in the history of our great country.Mo did complain of his messy existence and disdain for paperwork.He leaves all that others that he has chosen to destroy this democracy and carry out his schedule of
    “Redistribution,Restitution and Retribution”.Thank God we have Hillary as SoS and highly respected by all foreign Leaders.THEY TRUST and NEED her wisdom,experience and determination to negotiate for a solution to International problems.She not only has enemies Duties of the Secretary of State

    January 20, 2009

    Under the Constitution, the President of the United States determines U.S. foreign policy. The Secretary of State, appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate, is the President’s chief foreign affairs adviser. The Secretary carries out the President’s foreign policies through the State Department and the Foreign Service of the United States.

    Created in 1789 by the Congress as the successor to the Department of Foreign Affairs, the Department of State is the senior executive Department of the U.S. Government. The Secretary of State’s duties relating to foreign affairs have not changed significantly since then, but they have become far more complex as international commitments multiplied. These duties — the activities and responsibilities of the State Department — include the following:

    •Serves as the President’s principal adviser on U.S. foreign policy;
    •Conducts negotiations relating to U.S. foreign affairs;
    •Grants and issues passports to American citizens and exequaturs to foreign consuls in the United States;
    •Advises the President on the appointment of U.S. ambassadors, ministers, consuls, and other diplomatic representatives;
    •Advises the President regarding the acceptance, recall, and dismissal of the representatives of foreign governments;
    •Personally participates in or directs U.S. representatives to international conferences, organizations, and agencies;
    •Negotiates, interprets, and terminates treaties and agreements;
    •Ensures the protection of the U.S. Government to American citizens, property, and interests in foreign countries;
    •Supervises the administration of U.S. immigration laws abroad;
    •Provides information to American citizens regarding the political, economic, social, cultural, and humanitarian conditions in foreign countries;
    •Informs the Congress and American citizens on the conduct of U.S. foreign relations;
    •Promotes beneficial economic intercourse between the United States and other countries;
    •Administers the Department of State;
    •Supervises the Foreign Service of the United States.
    In addition, the Secretary of State retains domestic responsibilities that Congress entrusted to the State Department in 1789. These include the custody of the Great Seal of the United States, the preparation of certain presidential proclamations, the publication of treaties and international acts as well as the official record of the foreign relations of the United States, and the custody of certain original treaties and international agreements. The Secretary also serves as the channel of communication between the Federal Government and the States on the extradition of fugitives to or from foreign countries.

    that would create change to our system but want a muslim form of government for the messiah to rule.Fox and Both of our political party hacks refuse to allow to receive the credit that she deserves for her love of God and Country.Dear lord keep her safe and healthy.We we and the world need her.

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  138. Turndown, Part 2 :

    NEWSFLASH: The Fox is in the Henhouse-

    U.N. to open “climategate” probe, Issa criticizes Obama’s refusal to investigate.

    The UN has announced it will open an investigation into climate research as a result of the CRU e-mails and documents that became public last week. The UN said it is launching the probe because some of the research in question touches on related work either completed or promoted by its own Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

    So far President Obama has made no official public statement on “climategate”, and is resisting calls for an investigation. The White House’s reluctance to look into the matter stems from the fact that its top scientists claim that the scandal doesn’t prove that man-made global warming is not occurring. (spin)
    [snip]

    Rep. Darrell Issa, R-CA, said Friday that the UN announcement is a “direct rebuke” of the Obama administration.

    Rep. Issa went on to call the White House’s refusal to open an investigation “a sad abdication of their responsibility to ensure that U.S. policies are not driven by corrupted science and data.”

    “The very integrity of the report that the Obama administration has predicated much of its climate change policy has been called into question and it is unconscionable that this administration and Congress is willing to abdicate responsibility of uncovering the truth to the United Nations,” said Issa, who is the ranking member on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

    http://www.examiner.com/x-20909-Columbia-Independent-Examiner~y2009m12d4-UN-to-open-climategate-probe-Issa-criticizes-Obamas-refusal-to-investigate

    Although, I’m not particularly a fan of Issa, he makes a valid point. First of all we have the “RIGHT” to challenge anyone who is using Public Funds for a project that becomes a financial burden to the general public. And secondly, we have the “RIGHT” to know if the information submitted for the use of public funds is valid and the information must be made available to the public for cross examination before a final decision is made to allocate those funds for a project.

    Your last response regarding Obama’s motives for stonewalling. The campaign is long over. Obama is not allowed to fence sit when public funds are being spent. Better still, why would he do it if he has nothing to lose after a thorough examination of the facts? “Abortion” is a false argument and is not a credible analogy- His refusal to show us his Birth Certificate is more in line with his stonewalling an investigation of Climate Change data.

  139. Suppose that one PUMA blog were shown to have fudged some charts they published. And suppose it were shown that some of the other bloggers had over the years had email correspondence with that blog.

    This would not mean that all PUMA blogs were discredited — or that Obama was innocent.

    Any article that does not distinguish the few CRU people who have actually been charged — from all the other people and research facilities that are not connected with CRU and are not implicated — is unfair and misleading. They are trying to blur the distinction, to suggest that ALL climate change researchers are involved in this.

    Further links are at the TNR site I posted,
    h/w
    tnr.com/blog/the-vine/another-round-the-cru-e-mails

  140. Turndown, you insist on avoiding the point and continue posting false analogies to make your point. Puma blogs are great. They do ad hoc research using their own time and resources to decimate information sifting through available data to get to the facts. They are not asking for billions of Tax Payer dollars to fund their sites that would eventually evolve into a perpetual Tax on US citizens.. When public funds are used to fund a project the data provided by the source has to be authentic and verifiable as true and correct. No one knows this better than Al Gore. Why he has soiled himself and tainted his reputation by hooking up with Soros is beyond my comprehension.

  141. I guess my only questions about Gore are…

    Did he know about the edited/potentially biased scope of the research before he won the nobel and oscar?

    And if he did, how did he make peace with his personal ethics to ignore the negatives.

  142. A longtime White House correspondent, who wished not to be identified so as not to alienate either Gibbs or Ryan, said Ryan seemed a little out of control and Gibbs made it personal by comparing her to his son.
    ———————-
    Cowards like this are not worth quoting. It is bad enough when unknown White House sources make controversial statements which need to be seriously evaluated but you cannot do so because the source is unnamed. Worse however when members of the press who are supposed to be stand up and be counted hide behind a veil of secrecy so as not to offend. This is the kind of thing Ann Compton would do, but where she did it in this instance I cannot say. She is also with ABC. This whole thing is similar to what you face sometimes in a courtroom. First, when the police ask for an arrest warrant based on a witness statement offered to show probable cause and the proponent of the affadavit usually a police officer testifies that it is from an unimpeachable albeit unnamed source. Second, where Gibbs is concerned it is like the trial tactic of offering a witness who has limited knowledge of the matter so he cannot be effectively cross examined outside the narrow scope of his testimony, or better still in Gibbs case offering a stupid witness who will not be credited. Perhaps I sell Gibbs short, but he sure does not impress me.

  143. On the other hand, Gibbs is the perfect foil for the Obama loving White House Press corps. They can salve their guilty consciences by attacking him, while continuing to worship and slobber over his benighted boss who has not yet cut into their privileged life styles. The operative word is yet.

  144. JanH
    December 5th, 2009

    Jan, the hacking of the e-mails just occurred recently revealing the corruption of the scientific data. I think it’s too soon to speculate how much Gore knew and when he knew it. However, Soros supported Gore during the 2000 election. Soros was a hefty donor to his campaign. If investigations proceed, as they should, time will reveal the extent of Gore’s involvement. The fact he supported Obama instead of Hillary doesn’t bode well imo for the outcome of his involvement.

  145. But alas not that waste of protoplasm Dana Milcrank. Figuring that one bad turn deserves another I wrote him a short misset which he will probably never see, but really should for the salvation of whatever soul he has:

    Title: Are you in fact a sexist pig–or was that a different Dana Milbank

    Hi ya Dana–

    Are you and Chris still proud of that video you did on Hillary? You are lucky that I was not your boss. You would have been fired–with zero severance.

    I see that your Obama worship and lack of journalistic scepticism continues unabated. Your love affair with Obama is the talk of the town. Case in point: the Moore(d) piece today.

    What you are saying is the problem here is not Obama. When he lies the fault lies not with him, but the people who fell for it. Well . . . what about you?

    Unfortunately, you are a perfect example of how far journalism has been debased. You and your colleagues have done a grave disservice to the country by failing to vet Obama, and that fault persists in your case,

    I have been thinking this for some time and decided this would be as good a time as any to mention it.

    Your friend

  146. TheRealist,

    Millbanks is an A$$wipe crying crocodile tears but even so, it’s good to see him undergoing at least partial koolade withdrawal.

  147. TheRealist
    December 5th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    Millbank… does a convincing job ‘blaming the victims’ for Obama’s failures. You might believe him that is, if you are a toddler who hasn’t yet heard of Obama or a living since the 80’s under a snowdrift in Antartica. Let’s face it folks- he’s still on the payroll and is contracted to generate cover when dissent happens.

  148. Basil: Milbank is not recanting. He is simply shifting gears. He is repositioning himself from true believer to wise observer who never believed Obama rhetoric from the beginning and casting those who did as naive. These are not crocodile tears, they are a crock of bullshit plus hypocrisy — and he knows it. This guy is a real scumbag in my book.

  149. Mrs. Smith
    December 5th, 2009 at 11:57 am

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    Thanks for the explanation. I’m still catching up on this scandal that the U.N. has now said it is going to investigate finally. Sure makes bambi look like a day late and a dollar short. I think that is becoming his new motto on everything.

  150. RHETORIC CANNOT DISPLACE REALITY IN THE MINDS OF RATIONAL PEOPLE. THE DAMAGE THIS GUY WILL DO TO THE PARTY AND THE COUNTRY ARE INCALCULABLE. HE IS THE CLASSIC CASE OF SNATCHING DEFEAT FROM THE JAWS OF VICTORY.

    Barack Obama, Economic Moron
    By Larry Johnson on December 5, 2009 at 3:15 AM in Current Affairs
    * Bumped up *

    Leave to Obama and his team of Keystone Kopps to prove my point that his ignorance of economics is putting this nation at risk. It is not just Obama, but it is his entire team of so-called economic advisors. Here is how we know Barack is an idiot–HE HOLDS A “JOBS SUMMIT” AND DOES NOT, I REPEAT, NOT INVITE THE U.S. CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

    Where does Barack think jobs come from? Santa Claus? The Easter Bunny? ACORN?

    While I give Obama credit for finally doing the right thing on Afghanistan, this stunt today is a reminder of how inept and incompetent Obama and his advisors are when it comes to reviving the economy.

    Obama promised a new tone, a new approach, a non-partisan Washington. Chalk up just one more broken promise. Just because the Chamber of Commerce has opposed Obama’s health care plan, Obama could have shown he had the courage to welcome critics to the White House. Nope! The man is petty and small minded. He shut out an organization whose members account for more than 100 million jobs. Got that? The members of the Chamber employ more than 100 million Americans. What the hell would the Chamber know about job creation?

    Here are some warning signs of trouble ahead reported in the Financial Times:

    US services sector contracts in November – Dec-03

    The US services sector unexpectedly contracted last month as businesses expressed frustration with the pace of the economic recovery, an Institute of Supply Management survey said on Thursday.

    Separately, official figures showed that the number of US workers claiming unemployment benefits fell for the fifth week running and dropped to the lowest level in 14 months, offering hope that the stricken labour market may be starting to improve.

    The November ISM non-manufacturing index fell to 48.7 from 50.6 in October, disappointing expectations of an increase. It was the first decline in three months. A reading below 50 signals contraction. A year ago the index fell to an all-time low of 37.4 as the recession deepened.

    The services sector, which has been lagging behind manufacturing, was weighed down by a decline in business activity and new orders, while employment picked up. Of the 18 industries tracked, 11 reported that business was contracting, led by real estate and company support services. Healthcare, construction and finance improved.

    Growing about the shape of the recovery pocked the report, with managers claiming that capital markets remain tight, business is “flat” and that the fourth-quarter outlook remains “grim”.

    US sheds 169,000 private sector jobs – Dec-02

    US companies cut 169,000 jobs last month as the pace of layoffs continued to abate slowly, figures showed on Wednesday.

    Private companies have shed fewer jobs in each of the past eight months, according to a survey by ADP employer services, and last month marked the smallest number of cuts since July 2008.

    Although the November figure was an improvement on October’s revised figure of 195,000, it was higher than economists had been expecting.

    “Although overall economic activity is stabilising, employment usually trails economic activity, so it is likely to decline for at least a few more months,” ADP said in its report.

    Employment in the services sector continues to be stubbornly high, with 81,000 jobs lost in the month. Companies that produce goods cut 88,000 jobs, but the decline in manufacturing employment was the smallest since May 2008.

    The ADP survey comes ahead of Friday’s government non-farm payrolls report, which is expected to show that the US economy shed 123,000 jobs last month, leaving the unemployment rate at about 10.2 per cent. In the past two years, 7.3m Americans have lost their jobs.

    With all of these “swell” news Barack Obama and his team decide to put petty politics above the nation’s welfare and shun a group like the Chamber. This takes stupidity to a new dimension. The only silver lining? If Obama keeps this up he will be sure to follow the path of Jimmy Carter. Just call him, “One Term.”

  151. POOR AL…LOL!!

    Take back Al Gore’s Oscar, 2 Academy members demand in light of Climategate

    two Hollywood conservatives (yes, there are some) have called upon the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences to rescind the prestigious, profitable gold Oscar statuette that it gave ex-Vice President Al Gore et al two years ago for the environmental movie “An Inconvenient Truth.”

    latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/12/al-gore-oscar-global-warming. h t m l

  152. #
    JanH
    December 5th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    “Thanks for the explanation. I’m still catching up on this scandal that the U.N. has now said it is going to investigate finally. Sure makes bambi look like a day late and a dollar short. I think that is becoming his new motto on everything.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~

    Jan, when I said “The Fox is in the Henhouse”, I meant it- It is the UN that is holding the Climate Change document to be signed by Obama when he goes to Hopenhagen.

  153. djia-

    more from your link:

    These Hollywood moguls used the same info from Pajamas Media I posted here making the case against Gore.

    ~~~~~~~~~~

    “Chetwynd and Simon were prompted to make their hopeless demand this week by the….

    …leak two weeks ago of a blizzard of British academic e-mails purporting to show that scientists at the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit systematically falsified data to document the appearance of global warming in recent years.

    The university is reportedly investigating the claims, which added dry fuel to the never-ending political debate over whether the Earth really is warming as a result of human activity or if it’s just normal natural cycles and the debate is what’s heated. The demand to withdraw Gore’s award provides yet another opportunity to argue.

    The startling leak comes at an inconvenient time just before next week’s United Nations’ climate change meeting that will cause an immense carbon footprint with thousands of people flying up or over to Denmark to talk about saving the environment.

    These airplanes will include Air Force One with its primary passenger President Obama, who’s returning to the Copenhagen scene where he didn’t help win the 2016 Summer Olympics for Chicago, which could do with a little global warming at this time of year.

    Simon, a screenwriter who is also chief executive officer of Pajamas Media, a network of conservative online blogs, conceded he knew of no precedent for the Academy withdrawing a previously-awarded Oscar, despite decades of Hollywood hijinks and worse. But, he added, “I think they should rescind this one.”

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/12/al-gore-oscar-global-warming.html

  154. two Hollywood conservatives (yes, there are some)

    ==========================

    The kind of people who have been after Bill, Gore, Hillary, and Palin for years, blowing up every tiny bit of bad news to attack them with.

    Attacking Gore for what a few people at one Wales university did — would be like attacking Hillary if one PUMA blog fouled up.

  155. All these SEPARATE climate research groups are very much like PUMA blogs, in that they share infomration but are independent of each other. The information is out there for anyone to research. Different people are looking at it and using different methods. One is not responsible for another’s mistake, and all are not implicated if one misbehaves.

  156. wbboei LOVES seeing Hillary wear red..
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    damnit mrs smith I am not a fashion expert. However red is not her color. Also the length of the coat is all wrong shorter would be fine. Longer would be fine. But where it is does not work. No argument please. I run into the same thing myself with mens raincoats. An Eisenshower jacket is fine. A full length burberry type is fine–the longer the better in that case to create the drape look. But the mid length raincoat is something no one should subject the world to–even if they have a sweet girlish figure like Gibbs.

  157. Turndown:

    Well, you’re half right-

    Yes, PUMA blogs share information working independently of each other but they may or may-not agree with each other’s independent results. Some will work to correct a mistake if there is one in the interests of accuracy; some will not. This is not the case with the scientific community as revealed by the private e-mail exposed to the light of day by the hackers. What the scientists doing the research needed was a consensus of opinion from ALL the scientists providing information in order to have a successful campaign showing humans by means of CO2 emissions were responsible for Global Warming.

    The hacked e-mails revealed information (private conversations between scientists compiling the data) that didn’t support their theory humans, by means of CO2 emissions, are responsible for Global Warming. The scientists responsible for compiling the data, deliberately left the negative information out of their calculations and chose to falsify data supporting their case. This is the gist of the argument. A small but important detail you choose to ignore.

  158. Let me offer one piece of advice with the promise that I will never return to the subject. If you want practice fashion and good taste then by all means take a close look at what Michelle does with the help of endless taxpayer dollars. Study it in detail, the lines, the colors, the shoulder pads etc. Then do the opposite.

  159. wbboei

    “However red is not her color.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    wbb- every women looks stunning in red no matter the color of their hair or skin.

  160. wbboei
    December 5th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
    But the mid length raincoat is something no one should subject the world to–even if they have a sweet girlish figure like Gibbs.
    —————————————————————-

    ever since i heard laura ingraham refer to gibbs as “mrs. doubtfire” i just can’t get the image out of my mind.

  161. Mrs.Smith/Wbboei, I agree with Wbboei, red is not her color since she became SOS, mainly because she is not getting enough sun, she tired and washed out looking. The coat is too short, makes her appear to have a belly. Hillary however during the Primary when she was doing what she wanted and was IN CHARGE, looked fabulous in red. She is working way to hard covering up the mistakes of the “ONE”.

    I had to take my dad to the doctor, so while I was out have you guys managed to get the jerk impeached yet?? Why not??? LOL!!! Soon, I pray, Soon!!

    Its college football night and I just happen to think our University of Texas Quarter back Colt McCoy is fabulous. So while I am busy screaming for the Orange, Please get the jerk impeached!! LOL!!

  162. well…it was more her smile that I loved in this picture. She looked as if she was in her element and, for me at least, I loved that picture. Yes red isn’t my favorite for her, but she still looks great for someone who works 24/7 unlike a gumby potus that we all know.

  163. JanH, you got that right, she is working hard, but thats what we love about her. She still looks great! I would be happy to trade with her anytime.

  164. December 6, 2009

    Afghanistan: Get set for surge in bloody battles

    Jan Mohammad, a bus driver on Highway One, the notoriously dangerous Kabul-to-Kandahar road, found out about Barack Obama’s plan to send more troops to Afghanistan when a fight broke out in the back of his bus on Thursday.

    His passengers were discussing last week’s announcement by the president when one, from Zabul province, said: “I think Afghanistan needs more troops. It is a good thing. Without them we will never have peace in our country.” On hearing this, a man from Kandahar shouted: “You are a supporter of infidels! The Americans are robbing this country. They don’t care about our people.”

    The two men began to punch and kick each other as fellow passengers egged them on, forcing Jan Mohammad, 42, to stop the bus and break up the fight. “It was amazing to me to see how strongly people feel,” he said. “My opinion is that the world can send all of their troops to Afghanistan and they still wouldn’t be able to fix the problem. Until Afghans stop fighting among their own tribes and ethnicities, we will always have problems.”

    That one incident summed up why centuries of would-be conquerors from Alexander the Great to the Soviet Union have given up on Afghanistan, and why Obama had spent 94 days agonising over his decision.

    The “Get in Deeper to Get Out” strategy he finally came up with sends 30,000 extra American troops, putting the US total at almost 100,000. But to appease his political allies at home he also said troop withdrawals would begin in the summer of 2011, just in time for the start of campaigning for the next presidential election.

    There were parallels with the former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev’s plan for ending his country’s Afghan war 20 years ago. After Gorbachev took power in 1985 he, too, authorised a surge in military forces, pushing troop numbers to 140,000 — about the same as Nato will now have in Afghanistan. He gave his generals a year to win the war after which, he warned, they would have to withdraw. In the end his exit from what he called “our bleeding wound” took four years and cost the lives of a further 7,000 Russian soldiers.

    If Obama’s much-awaited Afghan plan, outlined in a speech to cadets at West Point military academy, seemed an anticlimax, it was not just his professorial delivery. For in the end he had few options. He himself had appointed General Stanley McChrystal, former head of US special forces, to review strategy. McChrystal, who took over as commander of Nato forces in Afghanistan in May, reported that the situation on the ground was worse than they had realised and requested 40,000 troops or risk failure.

    It would have been a brave president indeed who in his first year of office took on his generals, whose jackets are emblazoned with medals fresh from the success of their Iraqi surge.
    In the end Obama went for the so-called Gates option suggested by Robert Gates, his defence secretary, of sending 30,000 and twisting the arms of Nato allies from Lithuania to Portugal to try to make up the shortfall.

    However, after all the months of discussion he may have made a critical false move at the last moment. Under the influence of what American generals disparagingly call the “Chicago gang”, referring to Rahm Emanuel, Obama’s chief of staff and other political advisers, the president tried to appease the left of his party by inserting a deadline. It caused confusion among allies and sent the wrong signals to the region, seeming to say to the Taliban that they need wait only for the Americans to leave before re-emerging and seizing control.

    Yesterday Bob Ainsworth, the defence secretary, said Britain would not follow the promise to start pulling out by 2011. “You can’t put a time on it. You’ve got to look at conditions.” What exactly is the plan? What’s so magic about the number 30,000 that they will be able to turn round the situation, given that doubling international forces over the past year to 98,000 only led to more insecurity across the country?

    BRITAIN’S army chief, General Sir David Richards, turned to a rugby metaphor to describe the thinking behind the surge. “We never actually had sufficient troops and resources to cross the gain-line,” he said in an interview with The Sunday Times on Friday. “Why General McChrystal asked for the uplift was to specifically allow us to get across that and start dominating the human and physical terrain in those areas in which we sit.” He added: “The gain of military capability is way beyond what the 30,000 suggests. We’re talking about another 250 helicopters, for example, a whole load more counter-IED [improvised explosive device] specialists, a load more engineers to kickstart the civilian efforts in areas too dangerous for civilians to go.”

    Although details of the surge have not been announced, British officials say the plan is to concentrate on 10 big cities and have troops in 80 districts instead of more than 300. Local tribes will be given money and weapons to defend other areas.

    A third of the American reinforcements will be sent to Helmand where the majority of British and American fatalities were suffered this year. Others will reinforce Canadian-led forces in Kandahar, Afghanistan’s second-largest city, and the Taliban’s most-wanted prize. “It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to work out what we will have to do and where we will go,” said General Nick Parker, who as McChrystal’s deputy is Britain’s most senior commander in Afghanistan. “Jalalabad, along Highway One, Kandahar, across into the Helmand valley, Lashkar Gah — there is an insurgency going on there and we need to address it.”

    What has taken everyone — including America’s allies — by surprise is the speed at which everything will now happen. The first extra battalion is due to be deployed within weeks. Two-thirds of the new troops will be in place by the spring. Some reports say this is political,arranged so that the troops can be pulled out again in time for elections. But David Sedney, US deputy assistant secretary of defence, insists it is psychological.

    “McChrystal will get more troops sooner to reverse the Taliban momentum,” he said. “If you look at every measure of Taliban spread it’s been going in an exponential curve. To get ahead of that accelerating curve we need more troops quickly.” He said the extra troops would not just be in cities, as has been popularly assumed, and that their deployment would be better targeted. “We need people in villages and valleys but in the right villages and valleys to blunt the Taliban’s momentum,” he said. “For that you need intelligence in a very targeted way, as was used in Iraq.”

    In the south the aim is to pound Taliban strongholds where drug lords, bomb makers and fighters enjoy sanctuary in areas such as Helmand and Kandahar. In one of the first big ground assaults, American troops are expected to attack an insurgent stronghold in Marja, a district of Helmand thought to have about 1,000 Taliban fighters, early next year.

    The Taliban have warned that the American surge will result in more fatalities for coalition troops, and military officers and diplomats admit the next few months are likely to be bloody. “We now have to condition people that an additional 30-40,000 troops means more killing and explain this to a very disgruntled public,” acknowledged a Downing street official. “I am sure there will be pitched battles,” warned Parker. “What we are not saying is that we are turning into some peace corps on steroids. We still have to do the deadly business of war. There will be points when we are confronted by some people and we will have to fight them and kill them.”

    The inevitable British casualties will make it even harder for ministers to sell the war to an increasingly pessimistic public. Today’s YouGov/Sunday Times poll shows that just 22% believe the coalition will end up “winning” in Afghanistan, while 48% think the war will end in defeat. Parker nevertheless believes the initial surge will put the Taliban on the back foot to win time for coalition troops to train Afghan forces to protect their own country, the main aim of the surge. “I think it has been and will continue to be bloody challenging,” he said. “When the Brits were operating in Northern Ireland, intelligence was easier. You understood the language, you understood the culture. Our battlefield intelligence and our ability to spot the signs on the ground will improve when we partner with the Afghans. They are the ones who understand the culture.”

    Such a partnership was a key factor in the original surge in Iraq three years ago, which managed to stem runaway violence. With the extra troops from Nato, and more still hoped for from France, there will be almost as many foreign soldiers in Afghanistan as there were in Iraq at the height of the surge in late 2007, when there were about 166,000 US soldiers.

    There are crucial differences which make Afghanistan a far greater gamble. “Afghanistan is not Iraq,” warned Davood Moradian, senior adviser to the Afghan ministry of foreign affairs. “We have to be very careful about that.” The American reinforcements that poured into the Baghdad region in early 2007 had better-trained local forces as allies, an established supply network to keep them moving and clearer objectives. Fed up with the violence and worried about being sidelined by Iraq’s new Shi’ite leadership, tribal Sunni sheiks were only too eager to accept American money and arms to form militias.

    In Afghanistan it is less clear how the Pentagon hopes to deal with the dual challenge of fighting the Taliban and trying to win over civilians. Many Afghans see the government of President Hamid Karzai as corrupt and as much of a problem as the Taliban, possibly even worse in terms of providing security and justice.

    Afghanistan’s central authorities have never held firm control of the entire country, which is a patchwork of fiefdoms and ethnic enclaves that give their allegiance to local chiefs and warlords. Giving money to tribal militias may simply create more warlords. This is what led to the emergence of the Taliban in the first place because people were fed up with having to pay so many bribes to move goods through areas.

    Another way Afghanistan is more complicated than Iraq is basic logistics. In Iraq, the US had a well-established supply network to transport food, fuel and ammunition through Kuwait and Jordan or by air and the surge was easily incorporated. The lack of infrastructure in Afghanistan means accommodating and supplying troops is already difficult and a further 30,000 will place enormous strain on overstretched bases. The land route to bring shipped goods from Karachi is through Pakistan and convoys are attacked or items disappear en route. Once in Afghanistan, contractors pay bribes to the Taliban to move goods, the military thus inadvertently funding the people they are fighting.

    Although the Taliban are estimated at only 15-20,000, they are proving a more formidable enemy than previously realised. According to John McCreary, a defence intelligence analyst, for every allied soldier killed, wounded or kidnapped last month, the Allies killed, wounded or captured a single Taliban, compared with six a year ago. Allied soldiers killed two anti-government fighters for every Nato and government death. “During all of 2008 the kill ratio was never so close,” said McCreary. “This should be unacceptably embarrassing news for the coalition.” One reason is the restriction on the use of air power imposed by McChrystal to try to reduce civilian casualties, which were turning people against foreign troops. The number of bombings are half what they were a year ago but Nato casualties are at their highest levels. “Air power is our main advantage and we’re not using it,” said McCreary. “It’s like fighting with a hand behind your back.”

    McChrystal’s orders are being passed to the most junior levels of the US armed forces. Yesterday at Kandahar air base a group of soldiers was shown a PowerPoint presentation before heading out on a supply convoy. The troops were shown where IEDs had been found along their route and told not to fire indiscriminately even if they were fired on. The briefing ended with a projected screen of McChrystal’s quote: “It’s not how many you kill, it’s how many you convince.”

    Whether or not the 30,000 extra troops is enough to create the critical momentum to turn the war around, the biggest obstacle may be Obama’s announcement of a date by which he hopes to start pulling out troops. “It’s not a withdrawal date,” insisted Sedney. “It’s not April 1989. It’s the beginning of a process with no end date.”

    Such nuances are lost on the people of Pakistan and Afghanistan where they remember how the West abandoned them after Russian troops left in 1989. It is clear from the Taliban website that their view is the West has lost its resolve and they need only wait it out by melting back into the local population. “The danger is that they will sit there and weather the storm, but you have to give some credit to our plan,” said Parker. “They can certainly adopt a wait-and-see policy but I think they will be feeling a little demoralised by then because this isn’t going to be a completely risk-free wait-and-see.”

    Critical to the success of Obama’s plan is whether the Taliban are allowed to keep their sanctuary in Quetta, the capital of Pakistan’s Baluchistan tribal area that borders Afghanistan. The US has lost patience with Pakistan’s long double game of accepting billions of dollars to be a partner in the war on terror while letting the Taliban recruit, train and base themselves in its territory. The administration has been pressing Pakistan’s leadership to allow the use of unmanned drones in Baluchistan to kill key Taliban figures. But intelligence officers say the Taliban has moved activities to the port city of Karachi, where drone attacks are impossible. However, the distance means the Taliban have to rely on electronic communications and phones, which make them more vulnerable to interception.

    Ultimately, what the Obama plan may really be about is buying time to try to force the Taliban into negotiations. The president signed a defence bill into law last month containing a provision for $1.3 billion to pay Taliban fighters who renounce the insurgency. “A big part of the president’s strategy is the reintegration of fighters,” said Sedney. “We’ve already started.”

    For Afghan fighters to be lured away from the Taliban, they need to see some benefit from the presence of international forces, such as jobs and development. But as the leading economist Jeffrey Sachs points out, Obama’s speech made no direct mention of Afghanistan’s extreme poverty and his only mention of development aid was a vague reference to agriculture. “I have not seen two seconds of an intelligent discussion regarding living standards in Afghanistan,” said Sachs, who is professor of economics at Columbia University. More than 30 Afghans die from tuberculosis each day and only 13% have access to safe drinking water.

    WHAT if Obama’s plan fails? By agreeing a surge it is now very much his war despite the attempts in his speech to distance himself from the previous mess, comments which did not go down well in Whitehall. Most worrying of all, Obama himself did not look convinced. Among the many experts analysing his speech was Patti Wood, a specialist in body language. Asked about the two moments where he looked directly into the camera, she said: “What was significant is that he started by looking, which I feel was very coached, but he couldn’t maintain it. He had to look down and away . . .

    “Then there was a big gulp as if he didn’t truly want to make that commitment.”

    Even if he did not, it is his war now.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/Afghanistan/article6945910.ece

  165. Apparently the Chamber of Commerce was not invited to the jobs summit. Crazy isn’t it? The major business organization the U.S. is not invited to a job summit.

  166. birdgal,

    bambi was pouting. The Chamber attacked some of his useless policy moves and he decided they weren’t his best friends anymore.

  167. Jan, just shows how petty and small this administration is. There is no room for disagreement with the Mess-iah and his Chicago cronies.

  168. Hilarious Gridiron Dinner, Sarah Palin bringing the house down.

    Funniest lines

    Palin “joked” that the person next to her on plane looked at picture of obama and chinese leader and asked which one is the communist.

    “I went out for a jog. Or as newsweek calls it–a photo shoot.”

    Palin’s parents show up unexpectedly at gridiron. She says, “don’t treat them like the … Salamis”.

    Palin joke in speech re book travels : “the view is so much better from inside the bus than under it.”.

    ROFL : “I can see the Russian Embassy from my hotel room…”

    Palin said she was addressing “leading journalists and intellectuals, or as I put it, a death panel”

    “Palin jokes book title debate included “the audacity of the north slope.”

  169. well…it was more her smile that I loved in this picture. She looked as if she was in her element and, for me at least, I loved that picture. Yes red isn’t my favorite for her, but she still looks great for someone who works 24/7 unlike a gumby potus that we all know.
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    Her smile is wonderful. It lights up my heart.

    Very interesting meeting today. Will report on it tomorrow.

  170. Hundreds protest New York 9/11 trial

    By Sebastian Smith (AFP)

    NEW YORK — Hundreds rallied Saturday in New York against plans to give the alleged 9/11 mastermind a civilian trial in the city, saying the court will be turned into an Al-Qaeda propaganda platform.

    “They are war criminals,” one of the speakers, firefighter and US Marine Peter Regan, said to cheers. “The terrorists should be tried in a military court.”

    The small crowd huddled under umbrellas in chilly rain outside Manhattan’s federal courthouse where Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four other 9/11 suspects are to be tried after transferring from the controversial US prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

    The courthouse is a few blocks from Ground Zero, site of the former World Trade Center, which was destroyed on September 11, 2001, when hijacked airplanes slammed into the Twin Towers and into the Pentagon outside Washington, killing nearly 3,000 people.

    President Barack Obama and his Attorney General, Eric Holder, have made bringing Mohammed to a fair trial a centerpiece of a broader plan to end what they see as serious abuses of law under the previous administration of George W. Bush.

    But the 9/11 Never Forget Coalition, which organized the rally, argues that those behind the attacks do not deserve the same legal rights provided to US citizens.

    Many protestors waved the US flag, chanting: “USA, USA!” while others displayed slogans supporting Bush and the secretive Guantanamo facility, or voicing criticism of Obama. “This is treason!” one man shouted repeatedly.

    One of the most common complaints was fear that a public trial would enable Mohammed and his co-accused to make incendiary speeches. “America has given these people an even louder megaphone in the best theater in the world,” actor Brian Dennehy told the crowd. “I am worried that millions of angry young people watching Al Jazeera will come to the conclusion that America has caved in.”

    Protestor Sue Vaccaro, an elegantly dressed, elderly woman trying to shelter with a friend under a flimsy umbrella, echoed that warning. “Holder is giving a megaphone to the terrorists to spout their hatred of this country,” she said.

    The same message is being aired in Washington, where Obama’s decision last month to move the 9/11 suspects into the civilian justice system — after years of secret detention and abusive interrogation — caused an uproar.

    “A civilian trial gives these conspirators a national platform from which to spew their propaganda and access to sensitive information regarding American intelligence,” said Republican congressman Trent Franks.

    Holder responds that America will take the moral high ground by giving its enemies a proper trial.
    “I have every confidence that the nation and the world will see him for the coward that he is,” Holder said. “I’m not scared of what Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has to say at trial and no one else needs to be afraid either.”

    While many speakers at the New York rally Saturday lost relatives on 9/11, or themselves narrowly survived, not all 9/11 victims’ organizations oppose Obama’s policy. Experts say many factors will determine the extent to which the five accused could mount a public spectacle.

    If they plead guilty, the judge would move straight to sentencing, offering the men only limited opportunity to speak. If they plead not guilty and dismiss their attorneys, as they did in military tribunals at Guantanamo, then they would mount their own defense and be able to address the jury at length.

    However, judges have wide powers to cut short testimony deemed irrelevant or time-wasting. “It’s all going to depend on the judge in the end. They’ll be dealing with a court of people experienced with these things,” said Edward MacMahon, who represented convicted Al-Qaeda member Zacarias Moussaoui.

    Moussaoui insulted both the judge overseeing his case and his lawyers in legal documents. As a result, he lost the right to represent himself. “If they are their own lawyers, they have to conduct themselves as lawyers. If they don’t, they’ll just have to sit there,” MacMahon said of the 9/11 suspects.

    But a determined defendant can always make headlines simply by blurting out statements, MacMahon said. “What would often happen was that… all the reporters would pull out their notebooks and he (Moussaoui) would say ‘God bless Osama Bin Laden!’ and they’d all write that down.”

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5if-ZzlhBYrn9E3EAnAKmDSeCJR9g

  171. Baucus defends recommending girlfriend for job

    The Montana Democrat, and Senate Finance Committee chair, named his companion in a list of U.S. attorney recommendations. She withdrew her name. His colleagues defend him as healthcare debate goes on.

    By Paul Richter
    December 5, 2009

    Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) on Saturday defended recommending his girlfriend and former staffer to become a U.S. attorney, arguing that she was a “highly qualified prosecutor” who would have served his home state well.

    One of the most influential figures in the ongoing healthcare overhaul effort, Baucus acknowledged that he has had a romantic relationship with Melodee Hanes since the summer of 2008. In a statement, the senator said that he and Hanes, who live together on Capitol Hill, were both separated from their spouses at the time.

    “It wasn’t an affair,” Baucus said.

    However, after his disclosure of the relationship late Friday, the Republican National Committee demanded that the Senate Ethics Committee explore the propriety of Baucus’ inclusion of Hanes among three candidates he recommended to the White House for the U.S. attorney post.

    While some political analysts in Montana said the episode would likely cause political turbulence for Baucus back home, legal experts said his action did not break any law. The effect on the Democrats’ healthcare overhaul is expected to be minimal. Senate Democrats defended Baucus as he presided Saturday over the chamber’s healthcare debate. The Montana lawmaker is a “good friend and outstanding senator, and he has my full support,” Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said.

    Senate Republicans, including Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, also were not critical of Baucus.

    Hanes, 53, had worked for the 67-year-old Baucus since 2003 as his state office director and field director. In March, he decided to recommend Hanes and two other candidates for the U.S. attorney post and — in consultation with Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) — passed their names on to the White House. Later that month, before the White House made its decision, Baucus and Hanes decided to withdraw her name because she planned to move to Washington and take another job with the Justice Department so they could live together.

    Baucus said he had submitted the three names “unranked,” and insisted that the process that ultimately led to the selection of Montana lawyer Michael Cotter was “open and fair.” “In the end, we decided it would be best for Mel to withdraw her name from consideration. That allowed us to live together in Washington, where Mel applied independently with the Department of Justice and, not surprising to anyone who’s looked at her resume, got the DOJ job [at the juvenile justice office] on her merit.”

    Baucus’ disclosure came following a series of episodes that have embarrassed prominent politicians.

    The Senate Ethics Committee currently is weighing action against Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.), who has admitted to an affair with a former member of his campaign staff. And in South Carolina, Gov. Mark Sanford faces possible impeachment charges tied to his relationship with an Argentine woman.

    Legal experts said Saturday that although Baucus may be guilty of a conflict of interest, he never had the power to choose Hanes for the job. “No potential violation of law comes into play give the facts as we currently know them,” said Kenneth Gross, a lawyer and expert on congressional ethics.

    But Meredith McGehee of the nonpartisan Campaign Legal Center said, “Ethics laws are not the same as criminal laws. “They are intended to ensure the public’s trust. What [the ethics committee does] in this case is going to be important. This is a very powerful man who has been in the center of the healthcare reform debate.”

    Michael Steele, chairman of the Republican National Committee, issued a statement saying the disclosure that Baucus had “used his Senate office to advance a taxpayer funded appointment for his staff-member girlfriend raises a whole host of ethical questions. This issue demands the attention of the Senate Ethics Committee.”

    Any senator can call for an ethics investigation. But the committee would not act unless at least one of the panel’s three Democrats joined its three Republicans in requesting a probe.

    Baucus, a senator since 1979, is not facing reelection until 2014. But political analysts in Montana said the episode could strengthen the views of some constituents in the conservative state that he does not share their values.

    David Parker, a political scientist at Montana State University, said Baucus — who is from a wealthy ranching family — has to overcome the perception that “he is losing touch.”

    Many Montanans are not enthusiastic about the healthcare overhaul, Parker said, and “this is going to raise questions about whether he shares Montanans’ values.”

    “He’s going to have to do some repair work.”

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-baucus6-2009dec06,0,4522068.story

  172. Backus is no good and he never has been. Terminal case of Potomac Fever. The other senator is a good guy. The best senator Montana ever produced was Mike Mansfield. He was respected by both sides. Backus is not. The insurance industry has a big harpoon into him. There is another idiot in Montana and that is the Governor. He gets drunk at the Convention and tells people how they hid voting booths so Republicans could not find them. Brian Schweitzer is his name. They made a big mistake when they elected him.

  173. Found a good discussion on the climate change emails etc. Apparently I and others have been too quick to accept charges that CRU ‘fudged’ their chart. Actually they understated the case!

    This is a good discussion of many of the points in ‘climategate’, from several different positions. Good number of well informed posts, all concise and readable.

    Here’s one sample from
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    scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/12/febrile_nitwits_and_the_hacked.php#commentsArea
    osted by: Ed Darrell | December 5, 2009 3:58 PM

    They didn’t try to “fudge” any data. [….] In an attempt to list several lines of concurring data on a chart, there’s a difficulty with the tree-ring stuff. After about 1960 it shows temperatures declining. Now, there were thermometers in 1960, and every year since, and so we know what the the temperatures were.

    Temperatures actually rose after 1960. [….] So, rather than post known-to-be-incorrect data, they “fudged” by substituting in actual temperature measurements. You know, the accurate, known stuff.

    Here’s the funny part: The resulting chart, with the “fudged” data, [….] showed global warming to be less serious than it really is.

  174. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/12/05/democrats-consider-new-presidential-nominating-process/

    Washington (CNN) – National Democrats are considering changing the presidential nominating process, by establishing a new primary calendar and deemphasizing the influence lawmakers and political insiders have on choosing the party nominee.

    The battle for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination was marred by controversy as the Democratic National Committee argued with some state parties over when they could hold their primaries and caucuses and candidates were forced to take sides in this important internal party dispute.

    House Majority Whip James Clyburn, D-South Carolina, said that the 2008 nomination contest “yielded a great candidate,” but readily acknowledged the problems that arose.

    “We need to improve a little bit in spite of the fact that we got a great candidate out of the process,” Clyburn said Saturday at a meeting of a DNC working group tasked with drafting a new plan. “It was not very comfortable at various points along the way.”

    Democrats see an opening to change the system now, because this is “a rare cycle of no apparent Democratic presidential nomination challenge” in 2012 as President Obama is expected to seek a second term, according to the “Draft Report of the Democratic Change Commission,” discussed at the meeting.

    Commission members, who range from lawmakers and grassroots activists to President Obama’s campaign manager, are charged with putting forth recommendations to help expand the Democratic base and increase more ethnic and regional diversity in choosing the party’s presidential nominee in 2016 and beyond, assuming Obama seeks a second term.

    A commission suggestion would be to allow the first four states that held nominating contests in the January 2008 maintain their early, privileged calendar positions. But these states – Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina – would be directed to delay holding their caucuses and primaries before February 1. All other states would be forbidden from holding their nominating contests until at least the first Tuesday in March.

    Another recommendation in the report suggested grouping states by “region or sub-region.”

    “This would not be a mandatory obligation upon the state parties,” the commission stated. “The commission recommends that these clusters be staggered throughout the window to allow for a deliberative process that benefits all voters and caucus-goers through the country.”

    States parties that abided by the DNC’s calendar would be rewarded by getting special perks at the national nominating convention.

    The commission also discussed how to reduce the influence of unpledged delegates – lawmakers and party insiders also know as superdelegates – who played a big role in the 2008 nomination contest.

    “Unpledged delegates constituted 19% of the total convention and the presidential candidates were compelled to spend a substantial amount of candidate time and other resources to seek the support of these automatic delegates,” the commission stated. “We learned that in a closely contested presidential race, the nomination could be decided by this category of delegates.”

    No formal solution dealing with superdelegates was arrived at Saturday and the commission will draft a plan to reduce their numbers in the coming weeks.

    “The DNC must address the perception that there are too many unpledged delegates and those delegates could potentially overturn the will of the people, as determined by the state contests,” the commission stated.

    The commission is expected to vote on its final recommendations before December 18. The recommendations will then be sent to the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee for further debate and discussion.

    Mark Brewer, chairman of the Michigan Democratic Party, said he had no problem with reducing the number of superdelegates as long as state party chairs and vice chairs maintained their status and party leaders continued to play a role at the conventions.

    But Brewer took exception to the idea of allowing four states to be granted a special exemption to hold their primaries before other states.

    “From the perspective of Michigan and other states, it is unfair that any state have a permanent place at the top of the process,” said Brewer, who attended the meeting but is not a commission member. “It is unfair to give any states or state a monopoly.”

    The Republican National Committee is also looking at how its party chooses its presidential nominee, and the DNC expressed interest Saturday in working with its political rival on a nomination calendar.

    Filed under: DNC

  175. Only 5 comments:

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    Ken, AZ December 5th, 2009 4:52 pm ET

    Why not make the process completely fair and hold all primaries at the same time and the candidate with the most popular votes wins the nomination? Why should small states like Iowa and New Hampshire decide who the nominee is going to be?

    Hugo December 5th, 2009 4:52 pm ET

    Yes, great idea, perhaps they should actually have a vetting process that discloses their candidates past history and political ideological positions.

    John, Brooklyn, NY December 5th, 2009 4:51 pm ET

    As a loyal Democrat (but certainly not a party insider) I agree that the party needs to de-emphsize the influence of so-called Super Delegates that so marred the 2008 process.

    My suggestion is to allow the state parties determine who will represent them at the national convention rather than automatically assuming that Members of Congress, prominant mayors, national party leaders, etc. will be automatically full, voting delegates.

    Don’t get me wrong…I LOVE Donna Brazile….but, frankly, she should be a delegate if Louisiana Democrats want her to be…not because she ran Al Gore’s campaign.

    Randy December 5th, 2009 4:33 pm ET

    I always thought what they should do is start with the first four (Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada) and let them have one per week for the four weeks in February.

    Then in the first week in March, start having four-five states at a time have a primary or caucus each Tuesday, starting with the smaller states, and working up towards the larger states. You save Super Tuesday for Mid-May when it is California, New York, Texas, Florida and Ohio. That way the smaller states get a voice, but it will be the larger states that ultimately decide the candidates.

    em December 5th, 2009 4:19 pm ET

    very interesting

  176. The hacked emails covered ten years of CRU email. The scientists discussed all sorts of theories back and forth at various times.

    The hackers cherry picked quotes out of context. We’ve seen how that can look when hostile websites took PUMA blog quotes out of context. Or for that matter, quotes from Hillary and Gore and Palin.

  177. Another sensible post from
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    scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/12/febrile_nitwits_and_the_hacked.php#commentsArea


    Posted by: Knockgoats | December 6, 2009 5:27 AM
    evil9000,
    An investigation has been launched, headed by Sir Muir Russell
    h/w
    uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/2009/dec/homepagenews/CRUreview. No doubt if this fails to substantiate the most absurd claims, it will simply be dismissed.
    1. Trying to avoid FOI requests
    Like most serious climate scientists, the CRU people have been continually harassed by demands for data from people who don’t know how to use it, and in most cases have no no intention of doing so: as soon as they get it, they move on to the next demand. The intention is simply to waste climate scientist’s time. FOI requests were refused in some cases because the data was from national weather bureau that had not given permission for its release.
    2. Deleting data to do with FOI requests
    No evidence this has happened that I am aware with. The only data deleted was deleted in the 1980s, when the CRU moved premises, long before this harassment began. This data was from weather stations around the world, and should be recoverable. If you can remember back to the 1980s, you will know that large datasets then took up a lot of tape storage.
    3. Telling about 10 people to delete anything to do with a specific FOI request
    Telling people to delete emails (there is no evidence they did so) may have been wrong, but is neither criminal nor scientific fraud. In view of the criminal hacking that has recently occurred, and the lies and distortions resulting from it, it might have been sensible to delete all emails once no longer of current interest.

    4. Organising the dismissal of science journal editors who publish skeptical papers
    If an editor consistently prints below-standard papers, they are not doing their job. If any editor was forced to leave simply for printing papers that disagreed with the consensus, that is certainly wrong.

    5. Trying to “hide” the Medeval Warming period
    No evidence any such thing happened.

    6. Colluding to change the meaning of ‘peer review’ for the climate science field
    The two papers referred to appeared in the IPCC 2007 report, so if this comment was meant seriously, it was not followed up, or the attempt failed.
    In summary, I’m not claiming there was no misconduct at all at CRU; I don’t know, and will wait for the inquiry report. However, it is already fairly clear that nothing can be substantiated that is in any way comparable with the denialist lies and distortions that have followed the hacking – the absurd claims that climate science as a whole is a gigantic conspiracy, and that AGW has been disproved. It remains the case that the only crime for which there is evidence is the hacking and publication of the emails.

  178. Bottom Line, Americans want to focus on real environmental protections not the convoluted “climate cooling, warming and now change” being used to promote the egregious “Cap and Trade Treaty” set to be signed in Copenhagen. This treaty does nothing to protect our environment, but only enslaves us to taxes paid to an entity based on our carbon footprint. They have taxed everything else, now they must tax our CO2 emissions, tax us for breathing. All this based on a now questionable study.

    China and India are not going along with all this, because they want to continue to build their industrial empires based on American Corporations moving their operations based on few environmental regulations along with legalized slave labor. This Cap & Trade monstrosity is just another attack on Americans. Rather than Cap & Trade, make it as expensive for Corporations to operate off-shore through tariffs. Then maybe they’ll come back home to the Country that made them great to begin with.

    At least climategate will hopefully slow this march to obliterate American Sovereignty through a Cap & Trade treaty.

  179. As of Monday, Obama has the EPA set to declare CO2 Emissions as a Public danger. Now that the Climate scam has been exposed for the fraud it is- That means corporate polluters will be subject to US domestic policy, Cap and Trade Tax Creditimbroglio, which was the nexus of the Soros/Obama plan all along.

    Updated December 06, 2009

    EPA Set to Declare Carbon Dioxide a Public Danger
    WSJ

    (The announcement would give Obama and his climate envoy negotiating leverage at a global climate summit starting next week in Copenhagen, Denmark.)

    WASHINGTON – The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency will early next week, possibly as soon as Monday, officially declare carbon dioxide a public danger, a trigger that could mean regulation for emitters across the economy, according to several people close to the matter.

    Such an “endangerment” decision is necessary for the EPA to move ahead early next year with new emission standards for cars. EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson has said it could also mean large emitters such as power stations, cement kilns, crude-oil refineries and chemical plants would have to curb their greenhouse gas output.

    The announcement would also give President Barack Obama and his climate envoy negotiating leverage at a global climate summit starting next week in Copenhagen, Denmark and increase pressure on Congress to pass a climate bill that would modify the price of polluting.

    While environmentalists celebrate EPA’s authority to regulate greenhouse gases, it has caused many large emitters to cringe at the potential costs of compliance.

    According to a preliminary endangerment finding published in April, EPA scientists fear (NOT FACT) that man-made carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases are contributing to a warming of the global climate. Senior EPA officials said in November the agency would likely make a final decision in December around the time of the summit.

    Wall Street Journal :

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126003232518778287.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLTopStories

  180. When the EPA declares Carbon Dioxide Emissions a danger to the Public, either part or all of the polluters Carbon Tax will be passed along to the consumer. The Carbon Tax will come in the form of higher prices for goods and services or sharing in the burden of paying the polluters TAX for them through a national Carbon Tax imposed on Taxpayers. (most likely at Tax Return time)

    Obama is doing an end run around the Climate Meeting by passing laws through the EPA to guarantee the public will pay a share of the polluters tax regardless of the outcome of the Climate Meeting. Soros will have to settle, for the time being, buying auctioned Tax credits domestically and reselling them to polluters. Which means the profit from his investment of buying Tax Credits will go into his pocket while polluters will continue to pollute and the Tax Payer will pay the tariff one way or another. Soros continues to enrich himself, corporations get their pollution paid for by Tax Payers. The only losers here will be the planet and the Tax-Payer.

  181. Bottom Line, Americans want to focus on real environmental protections not the convoluted “climate cooling, warming and now change” being used to promote the egregious “Cap and Trade Treaty” set to be signed in Copenhagen. This treaty does nothing to protect our environment, but only enslaves us to taxes paid to an entity based on our carbon footprint. They have taxed everything else, now they must tax our CO2 emissions, tax us for breathing. All this based on a now questionable study.

    China and India are not going along with all this, because they want to continue to build their industrial empires based on American Corporations moving their operations based on few environmental regulations along with legalized slave labor. This Cap & Trade monstrosity is just another attack on Americans. Rather than Cap & Trade, make it as expensive for Corporations to operate off-shore through tariffs. Then maybe they’ll come back home to the Country that made them great to begin with.

    At least climategate will hopefully slow this march to obliterate American Sovereignty through a Cap & Trade treaty.
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    I agree. Very well put.

  182. While environmentalists celebrate EPA’s authority to regulate greenhouse gases, it has caused many large emitters to cringe at the potential costs of compliance.
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    What a fucking stupid sentence. Polluters don’t cringe. They adjust–and pass the costs along to the consumer. I do not wish to be seen as belittling the concern. The question I have is whether there are less restrictive alternatives. Some polluters should be shut down. No question about that. But the practical effect of sweeping legislation concocted and enforced by bureaucracies who play fast and loose with science is that innocent or non culpable parties are also swept in to a broad net. Also, there is mission creep within the bureaucracy. And the consumer taxpayer job seeker bears the consequences. Which is why the movers and shakers behind the movement are fat cats and their attachment to it is honorific and decorative. Thus the question is are there less restrictive alternatives. I heard yesterday that China will not comply but will plant a million or billion trees to deal with the carbon dioxide problem in their country. That is an alternative we could look at here. And it would provide jobs. During the 1970s I was corporate counsel for a company that had salmon canneries throughout Alaska. There was an outflow pipe or flume which took the waste product from the production line, screened it and deposited it back into the bay. What we were putting into the bay was essentially what we had taken out of the surrounding water, and the currents were swift so it would be scattered and become part of the food cycle in the ocean. Nevertheless huge fines were imposted by the EPA which caused us to shut down those canneries. They did not object to the redeposit, but they wanted it screened to more minute levels for no particular reason other than their own regulations.

  183. Clyburn is the most corrupt man in congress–in my opinion. If he were honest, which he is not, he would readily acknowledge that the greatest threat to democracy in the Democratic Party is the caucus system. But he will not touch that because he wants to maintain the death grip of his corrupt coalition that supports Obama, and they have figured out a way to intimidate and defraud voters under that system. The body of evidence to that effect is overwhelming–and you need only visit the site of Lynnette Long to get a sense of it and see the post mortem.

  184. We are in a period of deflation now because banks are not lending. The reason they are not lending is because they are sitting on so much bad paper. Rather than going though an orderly liquidation of those assets i.e. of bankruptcy, those banks are keeping them hidden and carrying them at full value. They would be identified as bad assets or diminished assets but there if there was an audit. Currently, they are marked to model, rather than marked to market. A house in California purchased for 750 K would be carried on the banks books for that amount but is they were marked to market their value might show only 400 k which would cause the banks assets to diminish. That is part of the game being played.

    The other part is that we have doubled the money supply since Obama took office, but most of that money has not been issues. Billions were used to pay off counter parties. If those monies are released into the system now it will cause hyperinflation. That could happen if there is a crisis.

    Also, I am informed that China is using the 1.2 trillion it holds in US T-bills as collateral to finance the development of its infrastructure and domestic consumer market. A friend of mine just returned from Europe where he met with the prime minister and former economic minister of a major European ally. They took him to the side, told him Obama is a joke, and asked him why didn’t you tell us about him. He told them I tried but you would not listen.

    The way out of this mess is to bite the bullet. Interestingly, former economic advisors within both parties are reexamining the fundamental tenets of our current economic system. The people who run the Obama administration are captives of the same banking interests that got us into this mess. Obama is clueless–and gutless.

  185. “We need to improve a little bit in spite of the fact that we got a great candidate out of the process,” Clyburn said Saturday at a meeting of a DNC working group tasked with drafting a new plan. “It was not very comfortable at various points along the way.”

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    We need to improve the way we eliminate corrupt/racist politicians and wanabes like Clyburn who wouldn’t know truth and fairness if it bit them in the nose.

    This guy is a jackass just like all of bambi’s followers and his now saying he wants to make changes, especially after the way they tarred and feathered Hillary and Bill, is just disgusting.

  186. The other thing I forgot to mention is that China, India and Russia want to create a new global finacial system. They are looking for a fourth party, and do not want Britain. My friend was asked is there anyone in the United States we can talk to. Obviously, they do not trust Geithener, Summers or Obama. They do not want to be governed by Wall Street and its European counterparts. They see those three individuals as surrogates of Wall Street.

  187. We need to improve the way we eliminate corrupt/racist politicians and wanabes like Clyburn who wouldn’t know truth and fairness if it bit them in the nose.

    This guy is a jackass just like all of bambi’s followers and his now saying he wants to make changes, especially after the way they tarred and feathered Hillary and Bill, is just disgusting.
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    Very true Jan. The man is a jackal/

  188. The guy you do not hear much about is Felix Rohatyn. He is the initiator of the Wall Street connection. He was the one who helped save New York City from Bankruptcy, and his associated with free market school at Middleberg college–along with George Shultz. He was famous for saying that the Democratic Party must abandon the tradition of Roosevelt and move toward Wall Street in order to have the money to win elections. I am told that he is close to Pelosi and is the executor of the Kennedy estate. If that is true then he is busy right now.

  189. Turndown: this is what we are buying into with this Kyoto stuff:

    CHAPTER 10: THE BRAVE NEW WORLD OF GEORGE SOROS

    When most Americans hear a politician talk about a New World Order, or in the vernacular NWO, they innocently assume that it means that America will retain its predominance and nations like China and India will become partners with us based on their growing economic stature. They further assume that these nations will help us address the multitude of problems facing the world from terrorism, to economic stability, to environmental affairs. These are rational assumptions given the fact that the United States has the greatest military in the world and the largest economy, four times that of its nearest competitor.

    But that is not the kind of New World Order Soros envisions. He believes the New World Order will be based on three (3) realities which he is laboring to bring about: i) first, the United States will cease to be the leader of the world, ii) second, international regulatory bodies will assume absolute control over international problems without regard to sovereignty, and iii) China will replace the United States as the economic engine of the world economy. In addition, there is a social dimension to his scheme which will tend to reflect the Fabian socialist schemes of the Open Society Institute and the world of George Orwell.

    The first step in the transition was to empanel the army of Czars. We now have 35 of them and they preside over every aspect of the economy. They do not report to the Cabinet, they do not report to Congress, they report only to Obama who is Soros man. Why are they there? If you look at their job titles you get a sense that they are not like the one or two Czars in past Administrations. If you examine their personal background you realize that some of them are members of the radical left and have ties to Soros—and many of them do not. And, if you put them in the context of the globalist agenda Soros favors and Obama is pursuing then you can easily infer that some of them at least are there to facilitate transition to the New World Order.

    For example, we have a Regulatory Czar named Cass Sunstein who will seek to harmonize our regulations with a growing body of international financial regulations. We have a Climate Czar named Carol Browner who will try to move us into the Kyoto Treaty and more international environmental regulations. Until recently you had a Green Jobs Czar named Jones who made Reverend Wright look like a wall flower and now works for a Soros organization. And, most intriguing of all there is a Behavioral Czar, who has not yet been appointed. This suggests the possibility that the theories of B.F. Skinner set forth in his book Beyond Freedom and Dignity may play some part in our future. Not every czar has a transitional role but some do. List of Czars@ http://frontpage.americandaughter.com/?tag=behavioral-science-czar )

    The second step in the transition was to transfer our sovereignty over the regulation of financial matters having an impact on the global economy to a committee of 23 international bankers where we have only one vote. This was done at the G-20 meeting in London last February. Mainstream media gushed global cooperation, reveled in celebrity and missed the critical details. It is not clear that Mr. Obama realized what he did, but when he embraced the global plan for recovery and reform he endorsed International Monetary Fund (IMF) surveillance of the U.S. economy, creation of a global “Financial Stability Board,” the expanded use of a new global currency called Special Drawing Rights, a new global warming treaty . . . in addition to a trillion dollar commitment of taxpayer money to IMF and the World Bank. Soros called G-20 a success, but the effect on the American middle class was highly problematic. (See”Obama Endorses Soros Plan To Loot America” @ http://www.newswithviews.com/Kincaid/cliff306.htm). As Henry Ford said the aim of international bankers is to control the world by creating “inextinguishable debt”. Clearly, Obama is marching to their drum.

    The third step in the transition will occur in December when Mr. Obama marches to Copenhagen to sign the Kyoto Treaty. The author of this treaty is Canadian Oil Billionaire Maurice Strong, aka Chairman Mo. He is a close friend of Soros, a business partner with him on the new automobile being produced in China, and a member of the Chicago Climate Exchange Board. He is also a UN bureaucrat who gave us this pearl of post industrial wisdom in 1992 which is reflected in his treaty. (Note: alas, old bureaucrats never die or fade away).

    “Economic growth is not the cure—it is the disease. . . . Industrialized countries have developed and benefited from the unsustainable patterns of production and consumption which have produced our present dilemma. It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class—involving high meat intake, consumption of large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work-place air-conditioning, and suburban housing—are not sustainable. A shift is necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmentally damaging consumption patterns.” http://yedda.com/questions/New_World_Order_According_Maurice_5183161118675/

    In an interview with Bill Moyers, Soros tied Chairman Mo’s mission to save the planet from fiery death to the future world economy as follows: “You see, for the last 25 years the world economy, the motor of the world economy that has been driving it was consumption by the American consumer who has been spending more than he has been saving, all right? Than he’s been producing. So that motor is now switched off. It’s finished. It’s run out of — can’t continue. You need a new motor. And we have a big problem. Global warming. It requires big– investment. And that could be the motor of the world economy in the years to come.” http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=44738822

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Agency, ratifying Kyoto could cost the American economy $400 billion dollars per year, raise electrical utility rates by 86%, hike the cost of heating oil by 76% and impose a permanent “Kyoto gasoline tax” of 66 cents per gallon. In total each U.S. household would have to spend $1,740 per year on energy. WEFA, an economist information and consulting firm, reports that 2.4 million jobs would be lost and manufacturing wages would be cut by 2.1%. http://www.allamericanblogger.com/2667/maurice-strong-and-the-collapse-of-industrialized-civilizations/ . Moreover, when the United States refused to sign on to the Kyoto Treaty before we were roundly criticized for failing to live up to our obligations as a responsible citizen of the world. But, we now find that a number of nations who were eager to sign on to Chairman Mo’s great white elephant and quick to condemn those who did not, have failed to comply with its draconian standards. As a result they have received massive fines and have failed to pay them. To me that says one thing: caveat emptor. This may not be the answer.

    The fourth step in the transition is to convince China to step up to the plate and become the new economic engine for the world. Recently, Soros told the Financial Times that China should replace the United States as The Leader of the New World Order. He claims China is not pulling its weight in reorganizing the global economy after last year’s economic collapse, and the way to convince China is to allow it to “own” the reorganization of the global financial system that is underway. In addition, he says that the United States should surrender the dollar and accept the inevitability of a global currency (See Soros: China Should Lead the New World Order @ http://rawstory.com/2009/10/soros-china-world-order/ The truth is we do not need George Soros to unfurl the white flag for us. And the same goes for Chairman Mo. Those gentlemen do not speak for the American People. They speak only for themselves.

    Fortunately, Mr. Obama does not have carte blanche—not yet anyway. He still needs 2/3 Senate ratification and his Party has only 60% of the seats. He will try to seduce Republicans In Name Only (RINOS) like Snow and Collins to vote for Kyoto. If he cannot convince them to betray their country as he did with cap and trade then he may have to settle for passing it as a domestic law as opposed to an international treaty, in which case it would not be irrevocable. Meanwhile mainstream media chomping at the bit for him to take more victory laps. They are keen to celebrate his victory over America. Not since Romeo and Juliette has there been a love affair as passionate and enduring as the one between big media and messiah obama. It is downright sickening to behold.

  190. Wbboei, This book I read of my mothers I wish I could send you a page that discusses the very thing you have stated in your last post.

    The US congress has wanted since 1989 wanted to have a regional government with Russia. They apparently with the help of Felix Rohaytn, he suggested that an investment of $1billion with a commitment of an additional $1billion to eastern europen countries. Is this not exactly the amount Obama has pledged in Copenhaugen??? Wbboei, we have already lost our country, American people just don’t know it yet. Wait til they find out, thats when the FEMA camps and the Army will be patroling the streets of America. THis is probably the reason why they let some of the states go broke, they won’t have the money for enough police so the national guard will help. It will look like Iran a few weeks ago here in America.

  191. Confloyd: I had a professor at the academy who was a senior foreign service officer who spent his career in the middle east during and after world war II. He vividly recalled the isolationist movement in the United States led by heroes like Lindberg and others with less stellar credentials. This was the middle of the Viet Nam war so the same forces were in play. He always insisted that the United States cannot turn its back on the world.

    I agree with that statement. We must engage and that means when necessity requires we must be prepared to fight wars. Which wars we fight and how we fight them becomes the issue. For example, the key to Britains strength was its navy, and its proven ability to avoid protracted ground wars, except for the Napoleonic War and the Crimea, Then came the twentieth century and they fought two world wars, lost their empire and the flower of their youth. In Afghanistan we could easily repeat that mistake and it is worrisome.

    The same can be said about economic engagement. It is an interdependent world and we cannot avoid it. However, the question is how much of our sovereignty do we surrender to world government in the process. For example Soros was never a devotee of regulation while he was crashing the European Market in 1992 and the Asian Market in 1997. But now he has become a convert and that is because he sees it as a means to an end, namely world government.

    This calls to mind a wonderful quote by Franklin. When he emerged from the Constitutional Convention, someone asked him what kind of a government do we have and he replied: a republic sir–if we can keep it.

  192. cotrip December 6th, 2009 at 8:03 am

    “China and India are not going along with all this, because they want to continue to build their industrial empires based on American Corporations moving their operations based on few environmental regulations along with legalized slave labor.”
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    “legalized slave labor”, bah humbug! I guess all those working for say Toyota in Kentucky or elsewhere in the US are legalized slave labor for Japan — well, Japanese would think that by your logic. US still leads in energy consumption with its lion share more than any other country. Calling those people names just because they aspire to have what you have is petty — they are not slaves of anyone. They may still find a better way to do things than you ever did or thought of. But asking them to slow their progress just because you want to have it all is just disgusting.

  193. British to Review Data on Climate Change After Scandal

    The Sydney Morning Herald

    The British Meteorological Office is to undertake a three-year reanalysis of its temperature data and has asked 188 nations – including Australia – for permission to release raw weather data in the wake of the climate-change email scandal.

    The decision comes in the wake of the unauthorized release – and publication on the internet – of thousands of emails and text files from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.

    The emails, many of them written by its director, Phil Jones, appeared to suggest that there had been attempts to stymie the public release of information on raw data. The university has announced an investigation and Professor Jones, who denies the claims as ”rubbish”, has stood down during the inquiry.

    The Herald reported on Saturday that a 247-page text file by one of the university’s most senior computer programmers has also revealed frustration and anxiety about the integrity of the raw data provided from weather stations around the world. The Australian data came in for particular criticism, with the programmer saying it was riddled with entry errors, duplication and inaccuracies. He described as a ”bloody mess” attempts to homogenize information and entries.

    His log, known worldwide now as the Harry-Read-Me text file, logged the programmer’s four years’ work as he documented his attempts to make sense of the reams of raw historical data used by the Climatic Research Unit, the British keeper of global temperature records. He said the global information he had to work with had ”no uniform integrity”…

    The investigation of temperature and global weather information by the Meteorological Office in Britain is also significant because its database is one of three main sources of the temperature analyses that the United Nations climate change science body relied on for its assessment that global warming poses a serious threat to world safety and wellbeing.

    The British decision to call in data from around the world came within hours of an announcement by the United Nations that it would investigate the claims of data manipulation.

    http://www.newmediajournal.us/science_tech/12062009.htm

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    It seems the whistleblower of the Climate Warming Fraud came from within the scientific community itself.. Encouraging, some people out there have courage enough to take a stand rather than the despicables (Obama) playing both sides against the middle.

  194. Does anybody see it different? I was nice to see Bob Gates give credit to Hillary for the NATO support. That is huge. I am not kidding you about what was told to me above. They think Obama is a joke and they do not trust him, according to what my friend was told. Of course Big Media makes sure we never hear the truth. I asked my friend about that, and he said dont worry about it there is a credibility gap between them and the American People which is a mile wide.

  195. In England there is a venerated tradition of installing a regency to attend to the affairs of state until the heir to the throne attains his majority and is adjudged competent to hold office, and faithfully discharge its duties. I wonder if we could consider something like that here with Obama. Certainly he needs a chaperone if he is going to Copenhagen.

  196. They think Obama is a joke and they do not trust him…

    and he said dont worry about it there is a credibility gap between them and the American People which is a mile wide…

    ——————–

    wbboei,

    if that is the case, then why do the polls still show him popular? Not his policies, but the idiot himself?

    I just don’t get it? Are people just too proud, stupid, and/or stubborn to admit that they voted for a wannabe b-grade actor with no brains?

  197. It is Pavlovian. They do not study his positions. Big media tells them he is wonderful. So when they ring the dinner bell the dog salivates. It is easier than looking themselves in the mirror and admitting they were bamboozled. Besides which I do not believe the polls on this. I am reasonably sure they are wrong. Those polls ask about his job performance and his popularity. The most important question is the one they do not ask: assuming a well qualified opponent would you vote for Obama in 2012. That is the pertinent question, when there is such a spread between likeability and job performance. It is the parameter they should be measuring/

  198. wbboei siad
    I do not wish to be seen as belittling the concern. The question I have is whether there are less restrictive alternatives. Some polluters should be shut down. No question about that. But the practical effect of sweeping legislation concocted and enforced by bureaucracies who play fast and loose with science is that innocent or non culpable parties are also swept in to a broad net. Also, there is mission creep within the bureaucracy. And the consumer taxpayer job seeker bears the consequences. Which is why the movers and shakers behind the movement are fat cats and their attachment to it is honorific and decorative. Thus the question is are there less restrictive alternatives.

    =================

    I agree that the Cap and Trade and other restrictions are probably scams that Obama is using the climate concern as cover for. As for planting trees, a lot of 6″ high seedling trees aren’t going to do much. What matters is leaving current mature trees and other current vegetation intact (and reducing emissions in an effective way, not by a scam to help speculators).

    The seedlings they are planting now to much publicity, will be bulldozed as soon as they want to build something else on the land. Well, they probably won’t even be high enough to need a bulldozer, a lawnmower would do.

  199. Comments by John Bachelor @ No Quarter.

    Spoke Neil King, WSJ, re the White House Jobs Summit on Thursday 3 and learned incredible details about how the Obama administration is open to “new ideas” to answer the high jobless rate (November held in double digits at 10.0%) that is projected to continue another six to eighteen months.
    The new ideas are breath-taking.

    King told me that the Obama administration is passionate about Cash-for-Clunkers and regards it as one of its successes in the year, and so there is a suggestion to use the concept to revive the construction business, especially home construction, in a program now called Cash for Caulkers.

    I am not making this up. I asked King if Home Depot or Lowe’s executives were present among the 130 dignitaries, and he didn’t think so. Another notion is to revive and remake labor by granting the unions a package of $400 billion for unnamed programs that sound to resemble the WPA.

    Another notion, advanced by Mrs. Pelosi, is to use the so-called unused TARP remains, about $75 billion, to revive loans to small businesses. There are no restrictions on the TARP that anyone can find, and using the TARP avoids the politically clumsy necessity to ask Congress for money to give more loans (grants, hand-outs, bail-out) to so-called small businesses.

    There were few if any small owners at the White House function. President Schmidt of Google, presidents of reps from S&P 500s, but not folk who own start-ups or independent truckers.

    Any Port in A Storm.
    The jobless number today is a quiet warning that there is no growth in hiring and that the next six months are likely to be much higher jobless rates.
    Evan Newmark told me Wed 2 that 11% jobless with 11k on the Dow is possible. (The market rewards corporate profits, and cutting costs and workers does lead to profits for awhile.)

    The number I watch is average hourly workweek. It has been holding at approximately 32 hrs. It rose this month to 33. That is the correct direction, because when it gets high enough, businesses need workers. But 33 is not promising, just no longer a crater.

    The CEOs have consistently told the Obama administration that the overhang of healthcare, cap and trade, and the bank bailouts that have left banks richer but not in the loan business, just the borrowing from the Fed at 0% and buying T-Bills business.

    From the Jobs Summit reports, it appears the the Obama administration does not perceive that there has been a fundamental shift in American workplace from industrial and post-industrial to information., from large industry to guerilla shop.

    My information from a trusted voice is that the Obama team is treating the jobless problem as if this was FDR’s America on the go, when it is the Internet’s America on-line. We are fluid, borderless, competitive and truly global.

    Unions proposing TV versions of the WPA is satire except that it is genuine — the Obama team thinks it might work. The detail I liked almost as much as Cash-for-Caulkers is the idea that Treasury Sec Geithner is open to the House idea of taxing Wall Street transactions to pay for jobs programs. Robin Hood in the Oval Office. The administration is frustrated that nothing it has done in eleven months, — stimulus, budget, TARP, GM and Chrysler — has stemmed the incredible shrinking job market. It may be we are watching a secular change.

    The jobless rate may be above 8% for years. What does this mean for FDR’s heirs? Grinding, shrugging, numbing partisan blame-shifting and perhaps a deal of misdirecting and grandstanding about climate and healthcare. And also a fierce sense of grievance against the banks and their familiars and the politicians who need them.

  200. More BS coming down for the next tax-payer rape, Cap and Trade

    Cap and Trade Changing Everything

    From the Lovington Leader by John Graham–Cap and Trade legislation may be one of the biggest issues facing the oil and gas industry according to Dr. Daniel Fine, Associate of Policy, Strategy and Development at New Mexico Tech. He also serves on the New Mexico Center for Energy Policy which is hosting the presentation by former Shell Oil executive, John Hofmeister tonight.

    “What is the purpose to cap and trade?” asks Fine. “Is the purpose to raise revenue? Is the purpose to lower CO2? Or both?” The bill (Waxman-Markey) coming out of the U.S. House of Representatives claims both purposes without a clear policy declaration.

    The bill is now in the hands of the U.S. Senate.

    Fine says determining the price or cost for one metric ton of carbon dioxide is the biggest omission in the bill that needs to be addressed before moving forward.

    “What is the trigger price which would affect an investment from the utilities and others to move towards low carbon technology? How much should CO2 cost before it triggers a corporate strategic decision to invest in technology which would lower the greenhouse gas emissions?” asks Fine.

    Without the price per ton of CO2, nothing can be implemented.

    The house version has been worked over in the Senate with many changes. Fine says in the House bill, only 2% of the allowances (or credits) have been awarded to the oil and gas industry as opposed to 37% to the utility industry. “The Senate is currently looking at that in terms of equity,” said Fine.

    Also there is no reference in that bill in support of nuclear energy.

    “Nuclear energy, in terns of cap and trade, is a central part of the issue because it is emissions free,” added Fine.

    Recognition of that in terms of allowances and credits would put nuclear energy in the forefront of greenhouse gas emissions reduction.

    It would also assist the nuclear energy industry in rewards to financing new reactors. They could capitalize the credits to assist the bottom line.

    The omission of nuclear energy in the House should be subject to discussion and debate in the Senate, says Fine.

    Fine thinks a cap and trade bill, in some form, will be out soon and will probably be a moderate or reasonable version of the House bill. It will be less costly, more reasonable and an adjusted timeline for the implementation of it.

    Fine says the focus on cap and trade creates a “a potential to reexamine the oil and gas industry, particularly the gas production.”

    “There is growing recognition that the discovery, exploration and production of new gas, particularly shale gas, has changed supply and demand and put natural gas in a surplus position in the United States. In that way, the gas producers would be qualified as a low carbon or lower carbon emissions source than coal. So I think there is a changing dynamic of recognition of the gas industry based on the new surplus expected from shale gas,” Fine added.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Besides the stolen election, this is the next biggest scam in the history of America. Nuclear plants exempt from Cap and Trade because they have no emissions(?) But their disposal of spent fuel, toxic waste poisons the earth permanently and undergroundwater tributaries that trsvel for hundreds of miles reaching and poisoning residential water supplies.

    http://nmcep.nmt.edu/index.php/NMCEP-and-Related-News/cap-and-trade-changing-everything.html

  201. December 7, 2009
    Tim Reid in Washington

    Barack Obama’s deadline to bring troops home from Afghanistan starts to slip

    President Obama’s July 2011 date to begin pulling troops out of Afghanistan appeared to be slipping yesterday after senior US officials conceded that the deadline was not to be set in stone and that American and Nato forces will remain there for at least five more years.

    The comments by Robert Gates, Mr Obama’s Defence Secretary, and Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, followed criticism last week by Bob Ainsworth in an interview with The Times that setting a date to start withdrawing forces was unwise.

    The British Defence Secretary told The Times: “You can’t put a time on it. You’ve got to look at conditions.” In an interview in the US yesterday, Mr Gates said that the July 2011 date was not arbitrary. Mr Gates added: “The pace of … bringing them home will depend on the circumstances on the ground. Those judgments will be made by our commanders in the field.”

    Mrs Clinton said: “We’re not talking about an exit strategy or a drop-dead deadline. What we’re talking about is an assessment that … we can begin a transition, a transition to hand off responsibility to the Afghan forces.”

    Mr Obama, when he announced last week a date to begin bringing US forces home within 18 months of his surge of 30,000 additional troops, also said that withdrawal would be conditional on how things looked on the ground.

    Yet that caveat was buried in the larger message of the withdrawal date. Mr Gates and Mrs Clinton focused much more on how conditional the withdrawal date is, suggesting that the deadline was little more than a gesture to assuage anti-war liberals in Mr Obama’s own Democratic Party.

    Mr Gates noted that President Karzai had said in his recent inaugural address that Afghan security forces should take over control of important areas of the country within three years and assume total responsibility within five years. Mr Gates said that the initial US troop withdrawal in July 2011 might only involve a small number of forces.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6946509.ece

  202. It will be easier to build support against Obama’s energy policy scams (Cap and Trade, encouraging nuclear, etc) if we focus on what’s wrong with those programs.

    Claiming that there is no climate change happening, that ‘Global Warming is a scam’ etc is not defensible and loses our credibility. It puts us in the company of the rightwing polluters, Halliburton/Cheney, etc (as well as the Creationists and anti-science people).

  203. JanH
    December 6th, 2009

    “Mrs Clinton said: “We’re not talking about an exit strategy or a drop-dead deadline. What we’re talking about is an assessment that … we can begin a transition, a transition to hand off responsibility to the Afghan forces.”

    Mr Obama, when he announced last week a date to begin bringing US forces home within 18 months of his surge of 30,000 additional troops, also said that withdrawal would be conditional on how things looked on the ground.

    Yet that caveat was buried in the larger message of the withdrawal date. Mr Gates and Mrs Clinton focused much more on how conditional the withdrawal date is, suggesting that the deadline was little more than a gesture to assuage anti-war liberals in Mr Obama’s own Democratic Party.

    Mr Gates noted that President Karzai had said in his recent inaugural address that Afghan security forces should take over control of important areas of the country within three years and assume total responsibility within five years. Mr Gates said that the initial US troop withdrawal in July 2011 might only involve a small number of forces.”

    ~~~~~~~~~

    Thanks for posting the Nation interview Jan- Obama did his very best to confuse everyone on what he meant happening in 18 mos. It was a clever but necessary move for Hillary to bring Gates along with her for the interview. Where they both have the same understanding of Obama’s statement. It sends a message to that nefarious crowd: “NOT Today, fellas” “Take your traps and shove em’ where the sun don’t shine!”

    Hillary does just fine swimming with sharks.

  204. “Claiming that there is no climate change happening, that ‘Global Warming is a scam’ etc is not defensible and loses our credibility. It puts us in the company of the rightwing polluters, Halliburton/Cheney, etc (as well as the Creationists and anti-science people).”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    No one said that climate change is not happening. What the anti-global warming protesters are saying it’s a natural cycle. The data produced for the UN compiled by the scientists was manipulated to produce a predetermined outcome denoting humans, because of Carbon emissions, are responsible for global warming.

    your statements on this topic defy logic.

  205. Mrs. Smith
    December 6th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
    No one said that climate change is not happening. What the anti-global warming protesters are saying it’s a natural cycle.

    —————–

    You need to make that more clear when you comment on this. Comments like ‘Global Warming is a scam’ sound like you think it is not warming at all.

    Actually that is what most of the ‘Climategate’ attack seem to be suggesting. The data being questioned was about how much warming is actually happening, not how much is caused by humans.

  206. I have always been a Gates fan. He is a patriot, a talented guy, and unlike so many in Washington, hie ego is under control. If you want an example of what a good effective public servant looks like he is a good one. And that is why I was sure from the beginning that he and Hillary would work well together. And you are right Mrs. Smith that is exactly why they went on that interview together. The adults will not allow the child to make a fool of himself any more than he already has. Obamas tomfoolery and political advantage uber alles approach to governing ill serves this nation.

  207. “Actually that is what most of the ‘Climategate’ attack seem to be suggesting. The data being questioned was about how much warming is actually happening, not how much is caused by humans.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I doubt anyone can make it any clearer to you. There have been wonderful posts on this forum from posters “who get it.” You seem to be the one standing in the dark with all the information posted here but too busy to turn the light on.

    Go back and read some more. You still haven’t grasped what this protest is about. Be as familiar with who the players are as you are with your own family..ie background history, past history, future plans. What their motives are OR what the ramifications are to us of them supporting this scam.

  208. Mrs. Smith,

    You are very welcome. The Nation interview was much more professional than the one of “This Week with George S.” George rushed them through their answers and barely listened to what they had to say. I felt he was much more interested and respectful to Gates than to Hillary. jmo

  209. JanH

    The little I saw, I noticed he was talking OVER HRC. That always upsets me, like her answers do not count.

  210. You are very welcome. The Nation interview was much more professional than the one of “This Week with George S.” George rushed them through their answers and barely listened to what they had to say. I felt he was much more interested and respectful to Gates than to Hillary. jmo
    —————————————————–
    The little greek is one of the most corrupt people in mainstream journalism. He is an insider with Axelrod and Emanuel. He meets every week at the White House and helps shape media strategy, and then he goes on the air and pretends to be objective. At some point in the future, after the damage is done, someone will point up the extemer conflict of interest George S suffers from. Finally, Soros is a major investor in ABC and ever since they have had the inside track with the Administration. Never used to be that way. Just a coincidence I am sure.

  211. Jan- what was the nature of the questions he was asking Gates, and what were the Hillary answers he cut off–just generally if you happen to recall. I did not see it and if the questions were primarily military then Gates would be the proper witness.

  212. wbboei,

    He was much more interested in Gates opinions on Afghanistan than in Hillary’s. He would ask two questions to Gates to one question he would ask Hillary. At the end he asked Hillary about the American girl who was convicted in Italy. She told his straight out that she couldn’t answer because she hadn’t had time to look into it as she had been quite busy dealing with Afghanistan but that she would meet with anyone who had information on the issue. She nailed it.

  213. up thread…the dems need to throw out the caucus system…that is the MOST undemocratic, manipulative and unamerican aspect to the whole democratic primary nominating system…it has to go…

    ******************************

    on another note…if you can catch wanda sykes…she is very naughty and risque but she is LOL funny at times…she has a way with metaphors, so to speak…there is a funny clip over at the Daily Beast expressing her disappointment in O and her missing the Clintons…by chance i happened to catch her Washington HBO special…be forwarned she can be nasty but what an imagination and way she has with creating visuals with words…

  214. Jan–the transcript does not read too badly. Seeing the video is always different from reading a cold transcript. If I had seen it as you did I am quite sure that my reaction would have been the same as yours.

  215. S: a funny thing happened in our town. Three men were in the parking lot: an obama zombie, a shrew political observer, and an honest witness. The zombie had a Lexus minivan with an Obama Biden sticker on the bumper. The shrewd political observer walked up to him and asked–how is all that hope and change stuff working for you pal? The zombie screamed fuck you, got in his luxury vehicle and drove off. This incident was duly witnessed by the honest witness and I have every reason to believe it is true. I interpret that expletive to be a repudiation of Obama by a former supporter. The reason the sticker was still on the luxury vehicle is because they are not easy to remove and mako paint jobs are a little hard on luxury vehicles.

  216. Cornyn countered that instead of “demonizing the private sector, and “glorifying the government sector,” the debate should be about bringing down costs, lowering premiums, keeping taxes low and avoiding Medicare cuts.

    “It’s breathtaking to me … the disdain with which this administration and Senate Democrats have for the private sector. If you eliminate the private sector when it comes to health care provision, you’re left with only the government, which many fear is the reason why this public option is, as Joe Lieberman said, a Trojan horse for a single-payer system ultimately,” Cornyn said

  217. Barack has a truth ache
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    Michael Goodwin

    After South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson shouted, “You lie!” as President Obama pitched health care to a joint session of Congress, even Republicans ran from their rude colleague. Two months later, however, most Americans are reaching a similar conclusion about Obama, and not just on health care.
    They now believe Obama was not honest about how he would govern. His campaign promises, they say, bear little resemblance to the president he is.

    They believed him when he said he was a moderate who would lead from the center. But a clear majority, 54 percent, now says the president is “mostly liberal” and his policies tilt left.

    UPI
    Barack Obama

    They’re not happy, because that’s not what they expected or wanted.

    That’s the finding of a USA Today/Gallup survey that could be the most important of Obama’s rocky tenure. It goes a long way to explaining why he could not rescue fellow Democrats in New Jersey and Virginia gubernatorial races and why his signature policies, from the stimulus to health care to cap-and-trade, are unpopular.
    Quite simply, the president is squandering the trust the American people vested in him. It could not be otherwise when so many suspect he pulled the wool over their eyes to get elected.

    Analyzing the poll, Gallup editor Lydia Saad writes that only 48 percent of the 1,521 adults surveyed in mid-October say Obama has kept his campaign promises, a sharp decline from the 65 percent who felt that way in April.
    She calls this a “re-evaluation of Obama’s ideological orientation” and says it is a “fundamental indicator” of his falling approval ratings.

    The poll, which didn’t track specific policies, leaves little room for doubt, with 48 percent also saying Obama “has not” kept his promises. Only 4 percent were undecided.

    Although the poll’s 55 percent personal approval rating is higher than other firms’, most of which are closer to 50 percent, it marks a major decline from Gallup’s 78 percent when Obama took office.

    One telling fact is that Obama has lost ground with every group except those who self-identify as liberal Democrats. Moderate and conservative Dems, along with independents and Republicans, are registering complaints. In that sense, it is unanimous he has turned left.

    That corresponds with Tuesday’s election results, where independents in New Jersey and Virginia backed Republicans by more than 2 to 1. The same group backed Obama last year.

    Earlier Gallup surveys showed most people don’t believe Obama can end political polarization or curb federal spending.

    Voters remember the candidate’s repeated pledges to “scrub the budget line by line” for savings, even if he has forgotten them. They remember his pledge of centrist bipartisanship, even though he interjected, “I won,” when he shot down GOP ideas during the stimulus battle.
    The significance of the shifts can’t be overstated. With Democrats enjoying large, liberal majorities in Congress, conservative Dems and Republicans have been unable to stop or modify key legislation.
    But the poll and Tuesday’s returns are signs Obama and his party will be penalized outside Washington.

    UPI
    Barack Obama

    The mystery is why Obama adheres to a course both unpopular and unsuccessful. Vast government intervention has yielded soaring deficits and taxes, even while unemployment hits a 26-year high at 10.2 percent.

    His “soft” foreign policy has brought no tangible gains from adversaries while causing friction with allies. His declaration that Afghanistan was a “war of necessity” now looks suspect as he delays in deciding what to do.

    Whatever he decides, the one thing he shouldn’t do is make another false promise.

  218. turndownobama
    December 6th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
    It will be easier to build support against Obama’s energy policy scams (Cap and Trade, encouraging nuclear, etc) if we focus on what’s wrong with those programs.

    You are right. I have solar panels on my house in Palm Springs and the power companies and the government through “regulatory capture” have their hands in it big time. The panels I have on my house should be plenty for us and our neighbors but they based our usage on last year’s stats. We don’t live there full time but will sometime. At any rate they control how much we can generate and they don’t pay us back for any extra. They won’t let us share with our neighbors and at the end of the year we receive an extra bill with all the taxes and other BS. They are cutting the credit that you get now because so many people are doing it. More would if it wasn’t so expensive plus now there are lots of companies out there trying to get in the business but they don’t know WTF they’re doing. WE chose a company whose focus has always been solar energy. They make their own panels and the crews that install them are owned as well. It made a huge difference.

  219. pm317 at december 6, 2009 2:32pm

    “legalized slave labor”, bah humbug! I guess all those working for say Toyota in Kentucky or elsewhere in the US are legalized slave labor for Japan — well, Japanese would think that by your logic. US still leads in energy consumption with its lion share more than any other country. Calling those people names just because they aspire to have what you have is petty — they are not slaves of anyone. They may still find a better way to do things than you ever did or thought of. But asking them to slow their progress just because you want to have it all is just disgusting.

    First Toyota and Japan are not communist China. Second, tell all the outsourced AT&T, Hewlett Packard, etc… unemployed American workers who have had their jobs outsourced to India, they are selfish for wanting to slow the progress of this emerging country.

    Don’t be naive, this is not about sharing our 1st world status with developing nations, it is about turning the USA into a third world country. I encourage them to find better ways to do things and ship those jobs here in return.

    If we continue down this road, we will all be “legalized slaves” to the multi-national corporations.

  220. Every country protects it’s industry with tariffs. The current balance of trade is killing the USA. NAFTA, GATT, CAFTA and now the NAU are just more nails in the coffin. Great countries can not be based on simply consuming finished goods, they must manufacture goods. That is where real wealth is created and was created in America. Amazing, it has only taken about 40 years to create this American decline.

  221. A good low-tech article on global warming:

    h/ no w
    opinion.independentminds.livejournal.com/1468779.html?page=2

  222. h/ no w
    opinion.independentminds.livejournal.com/1468779.html

    [Leaving aside the CRU facility]Here are just a fraction of the major scientific organisations that have independently verified the evidence that man-made global warming is real, and dangerous: Nasa’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, L’Academie des Sciences, the Indian National Science Academy, the US National Academy of Sciences, the Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina, the UK’s Royal Society, the Academia Brasileira de Ciencias, the Chinese Academy of Sciences, the Russian Academy of Sciences, the US Environmental Protection Agency… I could fill this entire article with these names.

    And they haven’t only used one method to study the evidence. They’ve used satellite data, sea level measurements, borehole analysis, sea ice melt, permafrost melt, glacial melt, drought analysis, and on and on. All of this evidence from all of these scientists using all these methods has pointed in one direction.

  223. First Toyota and Japan are not communist China. Second, tell all the outsourced AT&T, Hewlett Packard, etc… unemployed American workers who have had their jobs outsourced to India, they are selfish for wanting to slow the progress of this emerging country.

    Don’t be naive, this is not about sharing our 1st world status with developing nations, it is about turning the USA into a third world country. I encourage them to find better ways to do things and ship those jobs here in return.

    If we continue down this road, we will all be “legalized slaves” to the multi-national corporations.

    cotrip
    December 7th, 2009 at 7:37 am
    Every country protects it’s industry with tariffs. The current balance of trade is killing the USA. NAFTA, GATT, CAFTA and now the NAU are just more nails in the coffin. Great countries can not be based on simply consuming finished goods, they must manufacture goods. That is where real wealth is created and was created in America. Amazing, it has only taken about 40 years to create this American decline.
    ————————————–
    Co-trip, you are spot on. In fact, this was one of the most salient differences between Hillary and the man who stole the election. Who can forget that moment in Ohio, when Hillary said she would re examine NAFTA to ensure it was working for Americans, Obama said me too, and then dispatched U. Chicago Professor and Obama operative Austin Goolsby to tell the Canadian Mininister that was merely campaign talk and not to take it seriously? Yet most of the unions supported him, not for the workers but for the union bosses.

  224. Gore Backs OUT of appearance in Hopenhagan

    [snip]Putting aside the fact that Gore has honed his public speaking skills, the fly in the ointment is that he’s a fraud. Like the very global warming movement to which he has attached himself, he’s a snake oil salesman whose sales pitch is laced with scare tactics designed to push the public into embracing a radical, carbon-free agenda that rests on a combination of half-truths and outright fabrications.

    And Gore’s fraudulence is not only seen in the fact that he pawns a lie, but also in the fact that he refuses to abide by the very lie he pawns.

    After all his whining about the dangers of fossil fuels and coal-powered electricity plants, and after assuring us we can be “carbon free” by paying attention to “where we set the thermostat, [and] keeping [our] a/c and furnace filters clean,” Gore’s 2006 utility bills for his Nashville home topped $30,000.

    His home energy use was literally 20 times the national average.

    But Gore is as blind to his own hypocrisy as he is to reality. And he apparently doesn’t want to take the risk of being corrected. He has refused to engage in an honest debate about the doomsday claims he’s made since he grew concerned over the threat human beings posed to “the spotted owl and the snail darter” in 1992. This was obvious when Gore finished speaking to 500 “environmental journalists” in Madison, Wisconsin, on October 9, 2009. After the speech, Irish filmmaker Phelim McAleer “[asked] Gore to address nine errors in his film identified by a British court in 2007.”

    Gore dodged the question. So McAleer pressed further, and Gore had McAleer’s microphone turned off.

    In other words, the same fraud Esquire magazine referred to as a “lunatic” for claiming “the Earth’s got a fever” is also a full-blown scaredy cat when it comes to undergoing a critical examination of his science claims.

    And while everybody has known this, most have put up with Gore’s incoherent ramblings — until now.

    In the wake of Climategate, his continued global warming proclamations and his refusal to debate are simply untenable. Thus after Britain’s Lord Christopher Monckton recently challenged Gore to a debate, Monckton afterwards added: “If you don’t dare [debate], I want you to remain silent about [global warming] forever from now on.”

    The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) has grown so tired of Gore’s unwillingness to debate that they are openly mocking him — offering to pay him $500.00 if he’ll debate Monckton. But with all due respect to CEI, there’s no reason to believe a scaredy cat like Gore, who is positioned to become the world’s first “carbon billionaire,” will expose the error of his ways to a sound thinker like Monckton.

    Instead, he’s more likely to make himself even harder to reach in order to be sure he doesn’t have to defend his global warming assertions. There’s a good chance this was the motive behind the cancellation of his scheduled appearance at the Copenhagen climate conference later this month. Although people had already paid $1200.00 to meet the former vice president, the outcry over Climategate may have persuaded Gore that allowing people to get close enough to shake hands would be tantamount to allowing them to get close enough to ask tough questions.

    Regardless of Gore’s motivation in backing out of Copenhagen, it’s understandable that he avoids debate at all costs. He is, after all, a fraud — about whom Bob Carter of Australia’s Marine Geophysical Laboratory, said: “Gore’s circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic.”

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/al-gore-fraud-scaredy-cat/

  225. Another 7 days work finished for Hillary and today starts her 24/7 cycle again while the obama is out there again spouting most of the statements tha he has stolen from the 4th smartest person of the 25 that were chosen.Commander in thief is the correct title for this sorry and clueless so-called leader.Hillary will never get a break from the lowly media and have her awards and accomplishments aired for the public to read and hear.Led by fox and its blood hounds o’reilly hannity,and the paid mouthpieces that have taken over the
    destruction of fairness in news reporting.
    Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:04:12 -0600

    Daily Appointments Schedule for December 7, 2009

    Washington, DC

    December 7, 2009

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    SECRETARY OF STATE CLINTON:

    10:30 a.m. Secretary Clinton presents Lynne Tracy with the Secretary’s Award for Heroism, at the Department of State.
    (OPEN PRESS COVERAGE IN THE TREATY ROOM)
    Pre-set time for cameras: 9:45 a.m. from 23rd Street Entrance.
    Final access time for writers and still photographers: 10:15 a.m. from 23rd Street Entrance.
    For more information, click here.

    11:00 a.m. Secretary Clinton hosts the Portrait Unveiling Ceremony and Reception in Honor of Colin Powell, Former Secretary of State, at the Department of State.
    (OPEN PRESS COVERAGE IN THE BEN FRANKLIN ROOM)
    Pre-set time for cameras: 9:45 a.m. from 23rd Street Entrance.
    Final access time for writers and still photographers: 10:30 a.m. from 23rd Street Entrance.
    For more information, click here.

    2:30 p.m. Secretary Clinton holds a Bilateral Meeting with His Royal Highness Prince Saud Al Faisal, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, at the Department of State.
    (PRESS AVAILIBILITY FOLLOWING BILATERAL MEETING AT 3:35 P.M. – POOLED COVERAGE FOR CAMERAS)
    Final access time for writers and still photographers: 3:00 p.m. from the 23rd Street Entrance.

    4:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton holds a Bilateral Meeting with His Excellency Mourad Medelci, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the People’s Democratic Republic of Algeria, at the Department of State.
    (CAMERA SPRAY FOLLOWING BILATERAL MEETING IN THE TREATY ROOM AT APPROXIMATELY 4:30 P.M.)
    Pre-set time for cameras: 3:45 p.m. from 23rd Street Entrance.
    Final access time for writers and still photographers: 4:00 p.m. from C Street Entrance.

    6:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton hosts “Diplomacy at Home for the Holidays” Reception Honoring Employees Serving Unaccompanied Tours and Their Family Members in the Diplomatic Reception Rooms, Newly Decorated for the Holidays, at the Department of State

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  226. cotrip
    December 7th, 2009

    “This is not about sharing our 1st world status with developing nations, it is about turning the USA into a third world country. I encourage them to find better ways to do things and ship those jobs here in return.

    If we continue down this road, we will all be “legalized slaves” to the multi-national corporations.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Welcome, cotrip-

    Thats about it in a nutshell.

  227. I have been lurking for some time, and I must say that Gates and our Hillary had to cover The Fraud’s a$$ yet again with W.O.R.M. They did an excellent job and I did not see a problem with the moderators…this time…where were they before????? The answer to that rhetorical question is up His a$$. Hillary and Gates were equals, equally intelligent, equally without audacity, etc.
    Now, as far as I can see the ONLY news media reporting any real facts so that citizens can make up their own minds after being informed is Fox, so it pains me to see unwarranted criticism of them alone. I, too, had been dismayed at how some of Fox’s commentators failed to give Hillary her due, or even yet set the tone of their voice with disdain. But, NONE of the other networks have provided anything but abuse heaped on her, and thereby transferring onto us. But from piecing what has been said together I have determined that it may be because they view her as a Progressive, which she has stated that she was during the campaign – the early twentieth century kind of progressive. I was dismayed with her statement about that as like Fox, it would seem that all the trouble our country is in and may never recover from is directly caused by Progressives and Liberals for each group believes the Constitution to be a living document that changes whereas I believe it a blueprint for running our republic and it is not moveable or irrelavant, ever.
    Also, for my two cents worth, the manmade global warming “hoax” debunked the very foundation of supposed Climate Change and added fuel to the fire of what, IMHO, was/is a rape-of-our-treasury-for-profit scheme playing on the sympathy of the goood American citizenry used by Gore and others, including Van Jones and Obama. How can anyone TRUST even the scientists and data they produce when they should be above politics, be accurate, be unbiased, and above all HONEST? It is all about greed and political interests, not about saving our eco-system. This is a dark day in American history for which our future generations will pay. And further, what are the future generations learning from us and all of this? Are getting lessons from us….that nothing really matters but the almighty dollar…not even protecting indiviudal freedom even matters anymore? Everything is for sale, or can be stolen – as in the primary.

  228. “And further, what are the future generations learning from us and all of this?”

    ——————–

    Well, that is probably the best question posed yet!

  229. Well, put this in the “Wah, wah wah, it’s not faiiiiiiir!” hubris column. It seems that the very same banksters who were perfectly okay last year with being among the “favored”, and not being forced to take any losses at all on their bad debts, while everyone from bondholders to taxpayers to mortgagees got royally screwed……..

    Well, the shoe is now on the other foot re: Dubai, World and boy are the Wall Streeters suddenly ALL concerned about TEH RULZ! “But, but, it’s not FAIR that the Arab states are giving preference to certain (their own) banks, and telling to rest of us to get bent! Waaaaah!” Denninger lays into them this morning:

    This is rather humorous, really….

    “Bankers are furious that two defaulting Saudi conglomerates that owe $20 billion (£12.2 billion) appear to be favouring local banks over foreign creditors. State-owned Royal Bank of Scotland, HSBC and Standard Chartered are all understood to have exposure to Saad Group and Ahmad Hamad Algosaibi & Bros (Ahab). Dozens of other Western banks are also owed money, including Citigroup and BHP Paribas.”

    So what?

    You banksters were perfectly happy when you got preference you weren’t entitled to last year!

    Remember that? You got paid at par on things that were worth much less and in many cases zero. AIG Credit Default Swaps anyone? GM bonds? Chrysler bonds? Various bank deals that “protected” bondholders that should have taken losses, while screwing non-bank debtholders and others?

    I have raised hell about the refusal to honor the sanctity of the capital structure in these pages since, well, The Market Ticker began publication.

    But I haven’t seen any of you banksters complain when the favoritism and violation of the capital structure favored you!

    Now, suddenly, Saudi Arabia is joining the ranks of defaulting Arab nation-state-projects, and they’re doing the same sort of thing to foreign holders that those very same banks did to other people last year, in many cases bankrupting them outright.

    Angela Knight, head of the British Bankers’ Association, said yesterday: “This is an important issue for our members and one we would like to see resolved as calmly and quietly as possible.”

    Funny how secrecy always is a primary concern when you’re the one looking for something different…. and especially when you just got done screwing everyone else in the world a short time ago.

    I hope The House of Saud tells you where to stick your mendacity.

    market-ticker.org/archives/1705-Priority-Whats-That.html

    If it weren’t so sad, I’d be laughing my ass off. They are shocked, SHOCKED and appalled I tell you, that teh rulz would be bent to favor some creditors over others! How DARE anyone do that!

  230. December 7, 2009

    Hillary Clinton drawn into row over conviction of Amanda Knox

    A row broke out between Italy and the United States today over the conviction of the American student Amanda Knox for the murder of her British flatmate Meredith Kercher.

    Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, was drawn into the battle to overturn the verdict on the grounds that it was a miscarriage of justice and the result of Italian anti-Americanism.

    Senator Maria Cantwell, from Washington state, the Knox family’s home state, said that there were serious questions about the Italian justice system and that she feared the judge and jury had been influenced by anti-American feeling. “The prosecution did not present enough evidence for an impartial jury to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that Miss Knox was guilty,” the senator said. “Italian jurors were allowed to view highly negative news coverage about Miss Knox.” She said that Knox had been the victim of “harsh treatment”, a reference to claims – denied by Italian police – that she was put under pressure during 53 hours of interrogation after the murder and twice struck on the head.

    Asked on US television about the trial Mrs Clinton said she had not had time to study the matter and could not offer an opinion, but would meet with Senator Cantwell “or anyone who has a concern”.

    Headlines in today’s Italian newspapers included “Hillary steps in to the Amanda case” and “Clinton intervenes in Perugia trial”. Groups set up in Seattle to lobby on behalf of Knox after her arrest two years ago urged Americans to petition President Obama to support her appeal and to boycott Italian holidays and products.

    Giuliano Mignini, the chief prosecutor in Perugia, said he stood by his prosecution of Ms Knox, 22, who was given 26 years in prison, and Raffaele Sollecito, 25, her Italian former boyfriend, who was given a 25-year sentence. “My conscience is clear,” Mr Mignini said. “This senator should not interfere in things she knows nothing about.” He said that he resented accusations from the other side of the Atlantic that the investigation had been superficial and that no proof had been found to prove the defendants’ guilt. This was unacceptable, he said. Mr Mignini said the evidence had been weighed not only by the judge and jury during the 11-month trial but also by investigators and the pre-trial judge. He said Ms Knox’s accounts of what happened had changed several times and had been “implausible from the very beginning”. Mr Mignini said US critics claimed the jury should have been segregated for the entire trial to avoid being influenced by the media. “But how could we have segregated two judges and six jurors for 11 months?”

    Claudia Matteini, the judge who sent Knox and Sollecito for trial last year, said she was surprised by the American criticism, which was “offensive”. She added: “Don’t forget that because of a false accusation by Amanda Knox an innocent man spent 15 days in jail,” she said in a reference to Diya “Patrick” Lumumba, a Congolese bar owner whom Ms Knox accused of the murder in a partial confession which she later withdrew.

    Beatrice Cristiani, the deputy judge at the trial, commented drily: “As far as I am aware our system of justice does not make provision for interference from overseas.”

    In an editorial, Corriere della Sera said: “The first rule when an American citizen is accused of a crime abroad is that it does not matter whether he or she is innocent or guilty, what matters is that he or she has a US passport, which carries even more weight than an alibi.” The paper recalled a series of incidents in which Americans had “escaped justice” in Italy. They included an episode at Cermis in the Italian Alps in 1998 when a low-flying US fighter pilot sliced through the cable of a ski lift, killing 20 people, and the death in 2007 of Nicola Calipari, an Italian secret agent who was shot at a US roadblock at Baghdad airport as he escorted a freed Italian hostage to safety.

    It said that if Knox had been tried in America she would have faced the death penalty, which did not exist in Italy. The US in any case had no right to criticise Italian justice when “it has still failed to close down Guantánamo Bay”. However, Lucia Annunziata, an Italian expert on US affairs, said: “In the absence of certainties, Italian trials often resort to the theory that the guilty party is not someone who indisputably committed an evil act but someone who could have done so or wished to do so.” This led to a reliance on psychological profiling, “which can be used or abused”.

    La Stampa said that Mrs Clinton had had no option but to react to a wave of protest in the US, but would have to walk a careful line to avoid a diplomatic rupture with Rome. Luciano Ghirga, Knox’s lawyer, said he did not question the validity of the trial, which had been conducted correctly.

    However, the defence would seek an acquittal on appeal on the grounds that no concrete proof or motive had been established. Mr Ghirga noted that while the jury had convicted Knox and Sollecito of murder and sexual assault, they had been acquitted of the charge that they stole €300 from Ms Kercher, which the prosecution had maintained was one of the points of friction between Knox and Ms Kercher – the American allegedly stole the missing cash to pay for drugs.

    Mr Ghirga said this had removed the supposed economic motive for the crime. Rudy Guede, the Ivory Coast immigrant sentenced to 30 years last year for his part in the crime, had not been convicted of stealing the money either. “So who did steal it?” Mr Ghirga asked.

    The first of two appeals allowed for under Italian law will be held in Perugia, probably next autumn. If it fails a second appeal will be made to the Court of Cassation (Supreme Court) in Rome.

    Knox and Sollecito have been placed under 24-hour “suicide watch”.

    Ms Kercher, 21, from Coulsdon, Surrey, was reading European Studies at Leeds University and had just begun a year in Italy as part of the Erasmus programme when she was killed in November 2007. She was found semi-naked in a pool of blood under a duvet in her bedroom, with her throat cut. The prosecution claimed she had been tortured and killed for resisting a drug-fuelled sex game that escalated into violence. However, much of the DNA evidence linking them to the crime scene was challenged as unreliable.

    Prosecutors painted a picture of the American student as “a manipulative and unscrupulous she-devil”, an image her family and the defence argued was character assassination at odds with the reality of a bright and normal “girl next door” American college student.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6947549.ece

  231. Obama and Gore to meet at White House

    A late addition to the schedule: President Obama will meet with noted climate change activist and former vice president Al Gore Monday afternoon in the Oval Office, the White House announced.

    Obama also plans to meet with business and environmental leaders at the White House Wednesday in advance of his trip to the Copenhagen climate change conference, which opens today.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/12/obama-and-gore-to-meet-at-whit.html?wprss=44

  232. U.S. charges Chicago man in ’08 Mumbai attack

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. prosecutors on Monday charged a Chicago man, David Headley, with helping plan the 2008 attacks in Mumbai that killed 166 people, including six Americans.

    Headley, the first American charged in the plot, was accused of receiving training from the Pakistani militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba, which is blamed for the 2008 plot. Prosecutors say he had traveled to Mumbai several times since 2006 and took pictures and video of some places hit in the attacks. Headley had already been arrested in October on charges he had plotted to attack a Danish newspaper and its employees over the publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed. That incident sparked violent protests.

    After his trips to India, Headley traveled to Pakistan to turn over the results of his surveillance and, in early 2008, he took boat trips into the Mumbai harbor, according to court documents released by the U.S. Justice Department.

    In November 2008, 10 attackers launched their assault on various targets in Mumbai, including several where Headley had conducted surveillance, according to the documents. The attackers had arrived in Mumbai by boat.

    “This investigation remains active and ongoing,” said Patrick Fitzgerald, the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, where the charges were filed. “The team of prosecutors and agents will continue to seek charges against the other persons responsible for these attacks.”

    The charges against Headley, a U.S. citizen who is now cooperating with investigators in both the Indian and Danish plot, include aiding and abetting the murder of the six Americans who died in the Mumbai attacks. A lawyer for Headley declined to comment.

    U.S. prosecutors said they also unsealed charges against a retired major in the Pakistani military, Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed, for participating in the conspiracy to attack the Danish newspaper and its employees.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5B62R920091207

  233. Are Liberals Useless?

    By Chris Hedges

    Liberals are a useless lot. They talk about peace and do nothing to challenge our permanent war economy. They claim to support the working class, and vote for candidates that glibly defend the North American Free Trade Agreement. They insist they believe in welfare, the right to organize, universal health care and a host of other socially progressive causes, and will not risk stepping out of the mainstream to fight for them. The only talent they seem to possess is the ability to write abject, cloying letters to Barack Obama—as if he reads them—asking the president to come back to his “true” self. This sterile moral posturing, which is not only useless but humiliating, has made America’s liberal class an object of public derision.

    I am not disappointed in Obama. I don’t feel betrayed. I don’t wonder when he is going to beObama. I did not vote for the man. I vote socialist, which in my case meant Ralph Nader, but could have meant Cynthia McKinney. How can an organization with the oxymoronic title Progressives for Obama even exist? Liberal groups like these make political satire obsolete. Obama was and is a brand. He is a product of the Chicago political machine. He has been skillfully packaged as the new face of the corporate state. I don’t dislike Obama—I would much rather listen to him than his smug and venal predecessor—though I expected nothing but a continuation of the corporate rape of the country. And that is what he has delivered.

    “You have a tug of war with one side pulling,” Ralph Nader told me when we met Saturday afternoon. “The corporate interests pull on the Democratic Party the way they pull on the Republican Party. If you are a ‘least-worst’ voter you don’t want to disturb John Kerry on the war, so you call off the anti-war demonstrations in 2004. You don’t want to disturb Obama because McCain is worse. And every four years both parties get worse. There is no pull. That is the dilemma of The Nation and The Progressive and other similar publications. There is no breaking point. What is the breaking point? The criminal war of aggression in Iraq? The escalation of the war in Afghanistan? Forty-five thousand people dying a year because they can’t afford health insurance? The hollowing out of communities and sending the jobs to fascist and communist regimes overseas that know how to put the workers in their place? There is no breaking point. And when there is no breaking point you do not have a moral compass.”
    I save my anger for our bankrupt liberal intelligentsia of which, sadly, I guess I am a member. Liberals are the defeated, self-absorbed Mouse Man in Dostoevsky’s “Notes From Underground.” They embrace cynicism, a cloak for their cowardice and impotence. They, like Dostoevsky’s depraved character, have come to believe that the “conscious inertia” of the underground surpasses all other forms of existence. They too use inaction and empty moral posturing, not to affect change but to engage in an orgy of self-adulation and self-pity. They too refuse to act or engage with anyone not cowering in the underground. This choice does not satisfy the Mouse Man, as it does not satisfy our liberal class, but neither has the strength to change. The gravest danger we face as a nation is not from the far right, although it may well inherit power, but from a bankrupt liberal class that has lost the will to fight and the moral courage to stand up for what it espouses.

    Anyone who says he or she cares about the working class in this country should have walked out on the Democratic Party in 1994 with the passage of NAFTA. And it has only been downhill since. If welfare reform, the 1999 Financial Services Modernization Act, which gutted the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act—designed to prevent the kind of banking crisis we are now undergoing—and the craven decision by the Democratic Congress to continue to fund and expand our imperial wars were not enough to make you revolt, how about the refusal to restore habeas corpus, end torture in our offshore penal colonies, abolish George W. Bush’s secrecy laws or halt the warrantless wiretapping and monitoring of American citizens? The imperial projects and the corporate state have not altered under Obama. The state kills as ruthlessly and indiscriminately in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan as it did under Bush. It steals from the U.S. treasury as rapaciously to enrich the corporate elite. It, too, refuses to enact serious environmental or health care reform, regulate Wall Street, end our relationship with private mercenary contractors or stop handing obscene sums of money, some $1 trillion a year, to the military and arms industry. At what point do we stop being a doormat? At what point do we fight back? We may lose if we step outside the mainstream, but at least we will salvage our self-esteem and integrity.

    I learned to dislike liberals when I lived in Roxbury, the inner-city in Boston, as a seminary student at Harvard Divinity School. I commuted into Cambridge to hear professors and students talk about empowering people they never met. It was the time of the leftist Sandinista government in Nicaragua. Spending two weeks picking coffee in that country and then coming back and talking about it for the rest of the semester was the best way to “credentialize” yourself as a revolutionary. But few of these “revolutionaries” found the time to spend 20 minutes on the Green Line to see where human beings in their own city were being warehoused little better than animals. They liked the poor, but they did not like the smell of the poor. It was a lesson I never forgot.

    I was also at the time a member of the Greater Boston YMCA boxing team. We fought on Saturday nights for $25 in arenas in working-class neighborhoods like Charlestown. My closest friends were construction workers and pot washers. They worked hard. They believed in unions. They wanted a better life, which few of them ever got. We used to run five miles after our nightly training, passing through the Mission Main and Mission Extension Housing Projects, and they would joke, “I hope we get mugged.” They knew precisely what to do with people who abused them. They may not have been liberal, they may not have finished high school, but they were far more grounded than most of those I studied with across the Charles River. They would have felt awkward, and would have been made to feel awkward, at the little gatherings of progressive and liberal intellectuals at Harvard, but you could trust and rely on them.

    I went on to spend two decades as a war correspondent. The qualities inherent in good soldiers or Marines, like the qualities I found among those boxers, are qualities I admire—self-sacrifice, courage, the ability to make decisions under stress, the capacity to endure physical discomfort, and a fierce loyalty to those around you, even if it puts you in greater danger. If liberals had even a bit of their fortitude we could have avoided this mess. But they don’t. So here we are again, begging Obama to be Obama. He is Obama. Obama is not the problem. We are.

    Chris Hedges, author of “Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle,” will speak with other anti-war activists at Lafayette Park across the street from the White House at 11 a.m. Dec. 12 in a rally calling for the withdrawal of all American troops from Iraq and Afghanistan.

  234. OBAMA IS “HELPFUL”…

    Whatta leader. Non-confrontational and uncontroversial results in being toothless and ineffective. Quotes found below:

    “Some Democrats described the president’s remarks on Sunday as a pep talk.”

    “It was not about the issues,” said Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska, a centrist Democrat seeking major changes in the bill. “For those who have already decided to support the bill, it’s helpful to have the president bolster their resolve.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/07/health/policy/07healthweb.html

    By ROBERT PEAR and DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
    Published: December 6, 2009
    WASHINGTON — President Obama exhorted Senate Democrats on Sunday to put aside their differences and seize their moment in history by passing landmark health legislation. But senators said he did not mention sticky issues like abortion or a new government-run insurance plan.

    Though Mr. Obama gave them no guidance on the question, Senate Democrats on Sunday intensified their yearlong effort to build consensus around some form of a public insurance plan to compete with private insurers.

    The Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada, named 10 senators — five centrists and five liberals — to seek a compromise. Under a leading proposal, the federal Office of Personnel Management would negotiate with insurers to offer one or more national health plans to individuals, families and small businesses. The personnel office has decades of experience arranging health benefits for federal employees, including members of Congress.

    The push for a deal on the public option indicated the pressure Democrats were feeling to resolve their differences if they hope to pass the bill by their self-imposed deadline of Christmas. On Monday, the Senate plans to take up another explosive issue, restrictions on insurance coverage for abortion.

    In the closed meeting with Senate Democrats, Mr. Obama summarized the achievements of Congress this year and cited evidence that the economy was improving, senators who attended the meeting said. Senator Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana and chairman of the Finance Committee, quoted the president as saying that the health care bill was “the most important social legislation since Social Security.”

    Lawmakers who vote for it will be rewarded in the 2010 elections and by the judgment of the nation in 20, 30 or 40 years, the president said, according to Mr. Baucus.

    Senator Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the assistant Democratic leader, said the president’s message was simple: “He reminded us why we are here. He reminded us why we run for office. And he reminded us how many people are counting on us to come through.”

    Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, Democrat of Rhode Island, said Mr. Obama had risen above “the day-to-day trench warfare of the Senate” and placed the legislation “in the sweep of history.”

    “Decades from now,” the president said, according to Mr. Whitehouse, “this will be the kind of vote you remember. It will be written in the faces of children and families who are relieved of the burden of anxiety and sorrow.”

    Senator Bob Casey, Democrat of Pennsylvania, said Mr. Obama had emphasized “the importance of health care reform to our economy.” But he added, “the president did not take any questions and did not get into specifics where there are disputes.”

    Mr. Obama’s visit came on the seventh day of Senate debate on the legislation. While the floor fight has pitted Democrats against Republicans, the real battle is taking place internally among Democrats.

    Thorny unresolved issues include the proposal for a government-run insurance plan; insurance coverage for abortion; cost-control measures, including the powers of an independent commission to rein in Medicare spending; and requirements for employers to provide health benefits to workers or pay a penalty.

    Mr. Reid has not nailed down the 60 votes he would need to limit debate and move to passage of the health care bill. To offset the possibility that one or more members of the Senate Democratic caucus may break ranks, Mr. Reid and the White House have been wooing the Maine senators, Olympia J. Snowe and Susan Collins, both Republicans. Mr. Obama met on Saturday in the Oval Office with Ms. Snowe.

    Some Democrats described the president’s remarks on Sunday as a pep talk.

    “It was not about the issues,” said Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska, a centrist Democrat seeking major changes in the bill. “For those who have already decided to support the bill, it’s helpful to have the president bolster their resolve.”

    The Senate Republican leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, said Mr. Obama needed support from every Democrat because the bill had “virtually no appeal to any Republican senator.”

    “Here we are a few weeks before Christmas, with Democrats trying to squeeze every single one of their members to swallow a pretty bitter pill for the American people,” Mr. McConnell said.

    At a news conference that echoed last year’s presidential race, Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, lit in to Mr. Obama, just as he was meeting with Democrats a few steps away. He said Mr. Obama and the Democrats were plotting a “takeover of the health care system by the federal government.”

    Senator Reid said it was necessary for senators to work over the weekend to overcome staunch Republican opposition. The Sunday session was only the 30th such meeting since 1861, according to the Senate historical office. Senator Christopher S. Bond, Republican of Missouri, said the tactic had backfired on Democrats. “I’ve got Reid fatigue,” Mr. Bond said. “I just wonder if he will try this stunt next weekend.”

    To attract centrists, Democratic leaders are trying to minimize the role of government in any public plan. But in so doing, they risk alienating liberal Democrats like Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio.

    Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, independent of Connecticut, who opposes creation of a public insurance plan, said he was pleased Mr. Obama did not mention it once on Sunday. Mr. Obama did praise other provisions of the bill that would provide coverage to more than 30 million people, regulate the insurance market and slow the growth of health costs, Mr. Lieberman said.

    The Senate on Sunday rejected two proposed amendments to the health care bill. One, offered by Senator Blanche Lincoln, Democrat of Arkansas, would have limited the tax deductions that health insurance companies could take for compensation paid to top executives.

    The other, by Senator John Ensign, Republican of Nevada, would have limited contingency fees that could be paid to plaintiffs’ lawyers in medical malpractice lawsuits.

  235. Just a side note on the cost of a seeing a primary care Dr. in 2009. To see the Dr. you have been seeing for 6 yrs for a sinus infection it cost 87.50 for more than like a 15sec visit. Well no wonder the er is packed with people who have no insurance. I was not shocked, I canceled the appointment because I would be a bitch and expect to at least have 10 whole minutes of discussion or I would through a fit there. So I will just freaking suffer with this Sinus infection.

    That is highway robbery. I would expect to see DeBakey for kind of money.

  236. OBAMA DOES THE LIMBO: “HOW LOW CAN YOU GO?”

    Historical presidency indeed!!! He’s set the record for becoming a Lame Duck, not even at the one year mark.

    realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/12/07/gallup-obama-approval-sinks-to-47/

    Gallup: Obama Approval Sinks to 47
    =================================

    According to the latest Gallup tracking poll, President Obama’s job approval rating is now at an all time low of 47%, while his disapproval is now an an all time high of 46%.

    Obama suffered a net four point loss of support overnight – a noticeably sharp decline for a tracking poll that usually doesn’t move more than a point or two in either direction on any given day.

    Overall, Obama’s approval in the RCP Average stands at 49.0%.

  237. rgb, what’s also interesting is that Palins approval rating is at 46%, statistically equal now with Obama’s. But it’s only a “small wacky fringe” that like her, according to the media.

  238. THE INCREDIBLY SHRINKING POTUS:

    Even the NYTimes notices that Obama is trivializing himself and the demeaning White House with his “Dear Leader”-like bombardment.

    nytimes.com/2009/12/07/business/media/07carr.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper

    Reality TV’s Glare Hits High Office
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    By DAVID CARR
    Published: December 6, 2009

    When Barack Obama became president, he promised a “new era of openness.” After almost a year of a media diet that seemed to be all-Obama, all-the-time that concluded in a reality-program couple crashing a state dinner at the White House, I’d be O.K. with the kimono closing a bit.

    When Michaele and Tareq Salahi waltzed uninvited into the White House for a state dinner almost two weeks ago, their camera crew from Bravo’s forthcoming “The Real Housewives of D.C.” was left waiting outside, but it’s not as if their presence would have been much of a breach of current protocol.

    After all, like much of daily life there, their visit was recorded and uploaded on the White House Flickr feed, the always-on streaming window into “the people’s house,” a nickname that has never been more apt than under the current residents.

    Considering the White House’s hulking, media-rich Web site, its Facebook page, photo galleries and podcasts on iTunes, the presidency seems less threatened by the incursion of a reality show than running an administration that is in danger of becoming one.

    One of the downsides of having a president who is also Celebrity in Chief is that it creates the impression that the leader of the free world is part of a milieu that is more TMZ than C-SPAN. In an effort to remain connected to the social media world that was so much a part of his electoral victory, the Obama administration may be guilty of a very contemporary common offense: Oversharing.

    “In the context of a president that you see all the time and hear from all the time, how important does the speech at West Point, the most important speech of his presidency, become?” asks Lawrence O’Donnell, a producer and writer on “The West Wing,” among other projects, and an analyst on MSNBC. “It becomes like weather reports, just another of many messages from the president.”

    Mr. O’Donnell added that the administration is experimenting in a different age of communication and has solid demographic reasons for communicating early and often on a variety of platforms.

    The president can’t be blamed for a few knuckleheads trying to game their way into his presence, but his shared love of the camera leaves him vulnerable to suggestions that he is too busy appearing as the president and not busy enough being one. And we all know that television shows — reality or otherwise — can jump the shark.

    The White House, something of an imperial palace under President Bush, has become the most camera-infested place since “Big Brother.” Oprah Winfrey was there last week with a giant camera crew in tow, chatting with the first couple and taking in the Christmas decorations.

    She and the first lady shared the cover of her magazine back in April, not to be confused with the Vogue cover Michelle Obama did back in March. Mrs. Obama will also be starring in an episode of “Iron Chef” this January and has already done a live shot for Jay Leno from the White House.

    The unauthorized visit of “The Real Housewives of D.C.” candidates probably caused the biggest ruckus at the White House since 1829, when Andrew Jackson fled the place because 20,000 of his close, personal friends showed up to celebrate his inauguration. Perhaps the Salahis were just taking the president at his word when he promised a new era of openness.

    The Obamas, by the way, aren’t the only big users of social media at the White House. In a bit of a red-faced response to Representative Eleanor Holmes Norton on Capitol Hill about the incident, Mark Sullivan, the Secret Service director, said the breach was discovered by looking at Facebook.

    The gate-crashers weren’t so much invading the Obamas’ privacy as trying to grab some of the abundant media limelight already there. It’s not as if they were the only media-connected people in attendance: Brian Williams, the anchor of “NBC Nightly News,” and Jeffrey Immelt of General Electric, which just announced it was selling majority ownership of NBC Universal, were at the same state dinner.

    They are more or less related by affiliation with the crashers, because Bravo, the ring leader of the camera crew, is a division of NBC Universal. (By the way, guys, making the occupants of the White House look like fools just before you are about to run a regulatory gantlet is probably not a great opening strategy.)

    Mr. Williams and the president are already burger-and-fries buddies, having gone out for fast food last spring with a camera crew. President Reagan was the first sitting president to dine as an ordinary customer at a public restaurant, but the restaurant was Le Cirque; no cameras were allowed. And when Andy Warhol documented the event, it was in his diary, not on a Facebook page.

    Compare that to Mr. Obama’s outing to Five Guys, where he is filmed taking burger orders from staff members — “You want fries?” — and then sets off with Mr. Williams in the limo, sitting with jacket off and feet up on the seats.

    I like that the current president gets out of the bubble, that he enjoys a burger, and is willing to walk back into the White House with a greasy go-bag for the staff. I’m not sure being able to watch it all unfold is good for his presidency.

    “When he ran, the Obamas were pitched as kind of a reality show to the public. We’d hear about his dinners with Michelle and we felt like we knew them,” said Michael Hirschorn, a former executive at VH1 who now runs Ish Entertainment, which produces reality programming. “But now that he is in office, there is a danger of the mystique going away. The problem with social media and constant video is that it flows like water and reduces everything to the same level. Not much of it is special, and it all becomes content, even if it’s the president.”

    The clamor, media and otherwise, that the Obamas have created in Washington of course brings to mind another handsome young couple with beautiful children who riveted the nation when they moved in to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. It was, after all, Jacqueline Kennedy who first introduced the televised version of the White House to citizens, giving CBS News a lengthy tour.

    But the peek was carefully scripted, following her maxim of “minimum information given with maximum politeness.” To watch the tour more than four decades later on YouTube, it looks less like the dawning of a new media age than a quaint reminder of a bygone era when distance between the press and the presidency was vast. It’s a long way from flipping on the TV at bedtime and seeing the first lady doing a “Ten @ Ten” question riff with her buddy Jay.

    Mrs. Kennedy may have been impossibly glamorous and done her share of image management, but she had a chaste relationship with the camera and the public.

    “I want to live my life, not record it,” she said.

  239. rgb44hrc

    December 7th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
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    Amen! The obama White House = a reality show. And that is why some voted him in? Idiots the lot of them.

  240. Anyone who says he or she cares about the working class in this country should have walked out on the Democratic Party in 1994 with the passage of NAFTA. And it has only been downhill since. If welfare reform, the 1999 Financial Services
    ****************

    I believe this to be true. I was very upset with Clinton and still am.

  241. JanH
    December 7th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Obama and Gore to meet at White House

    A late addition to the schedule: President Obama will meet with noted climate change activist and former vice president Al Gore Monday afternoon in the Oval Office, the White House announced.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I’m sure Obama is going to try to talk Gore into going to Copenhagen because Gore is basically the “Man behind the Movement”. The Global Warming proponents fear is… it looks a little suspicious the man touting Global Warming for the last 8 yrs seems reluctant to answer uncomfortable questions on the current Climategate flap.

    At the very least, I expect the alternative will be a prerecorded interview shown to the 15,000 attending the summit who are leaving a bigger carbon footprint than all the 3rd world countries put together would in a year.

    So much for the defender of Global Warming hiding behind the camera.

  242. ‘Climategate’ shakes trust in scientists: Saudi Arabia

    COPENHAGEN — Saudia Arabia told global warming talks on Monday that trust in climate science had been “shaken” by leaked emails among experts and called for an international probe.

    “The level of trust is definitely shaken, especially now that we are about to conclude an agreement that … is going to mean sacrifices for our economies,” said Mohammed al-Sabban, the kingdom’s top climate negotiator, told delegates at the opening of December 7-18 UN talks.

    Al-Sabban called for an “independent” international investigation, but said that the UN climate science body was unqualified to carry it out.

    “The IPCC, which is the authority accused, is not going to be able to conduct the investigation,” he said, referring to the Nobel-winning UN Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change (IPCC).

    The Saudi negotiator rejected IPCC chairman Rajendra Pachauri’s defense of the integrity of the panel’s findings — delivered earlier in the plenary session — as “general statements.”

    “In light of recent information… the scientific scandal has assumed huge proportion,” al-Sabban said.

    “We think it is definitely going to affect the nature of what can be trusted in the negotiations.”

    Saudi Arabia is oil cartel OPEC’s leading producer and exporter.

    Meanwhile, a UK report asks “Was Russian secret service behind leak of climate-change emails?”

    Shaun Walker reports for The Independent: (link)

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/was-russian-secret-service-behind-leak-of-climatechange-emails-1835502.html

  243. If you look you will find out that this cap and trade scam enriches and empowers corporate giants all over the world.

    It gives them freedom and power to pollute, while doing nothing for the environment.

    But it is being marketed as environmentalism to appeal to good people so they will support it. We would be better off cleaning up rivers, dealing with corporate food giants, stopping clear cutting of rain forests, ending fish farms, funding public transit and green energy.

    The cap and trade scam sold by fake liberal Al Gore has been exposed with the emails.

    Try this site:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=theme&themeId=4

  244. These last two posts expose the corporations behind the curtain supporting the Global Warming Summit.

    The corporate monsters who have funded a group to support the Al Gore Cap and Trade scam, the US Climate Action Partnership has these members leading the way;

    Alcoa, Conoco Phillips, Dow Chemicals, Duke Energy, Dupont, PG&E, Shell.
    Wow! All members of the Corporate Crimes Hall of Fame.

    http://www.us-cap.org/

  245. @cotrip,

    I don’t think I’m naive at all. I have lived and worked on both sides of the fence. There are no philanthropic corporations — they are there for profit making and by jove they will make it happen by hook or crook. You the citizen have to demand more from your politicians and government who can reign in market forces in the interests of your own country. Calling names and belittling other countries as legalized slave labor is juvenile — that was my objection. I am certainly happy that some of these developing nations are getting some foothold now. What this country has in terms of riches is obscene and I know, because I am one of the beneficiaries.

  246. jbstonesfan
    December 7th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
    Hopefully, this “reality show” will be taken off the air in Nov 2012 because of low ratings…
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    Funny you should say that jbstonesfan.

    Today, just a few hours ago, I met with a friend of mine who was a big Obama fan. The operative word in that sentence is “was”, as in once upon a time but no more. The last time we spoke he was relatively optimistic about how the Obama Administration was handling the Iraq situation. I was hoping that Obama would say something in support of the student protesters. Today my friend stated bluntly that Obama is WEAK and is widely perceived as such throughout the middle east. He went on to say that both Israel and the Arabs have decided to wait him out, because there is no way he will get a second term.

    He told me he was surprised that Obama was so weak when he had someone as strong as Hillary working for him. I responded that he is the boss and Hillary is required to support his policies as Secretary of State. And then I reminded him of the time of the conversation we had during the student protests, and how Hillary had gotten out of a hospital bed right after the operation for the fracture elbow so she could meet personally with Barack and encourage him to say something in support of the students, and maybe go to the United Nations. When Barck finally did say something it was too little too late. He is the Rodney Dangerfield of the middle east, meaning he gets no respect.

    By then we were in a game of one upsmanship trying to see who could come up with the biggest Obamafailure. It was a target rich environment. He reminded me of the major faux pax by Curly (Robert Gibbs, or Gibsie as Tapper calls him) when he was asked whether Mr. Obama would still negotiate with the Iranian regime while it was cracking heads, imprisoning, torturing and murdering protesters. Whereupon the cherub faced Gibbs replied that Obama would do so because they are a legitimate government of that nation. That statement got air time on Iranian television and demoralized the protesters. Never one to jump to conclusions unless a white cop is involved the thoughtful, majestic and ever deliberative Obama sat on is hands for two days before there was any clarification. Thereafter, Iranian student held up signs which read “Obama–where are you?”

    My friend then went into an excellent critique of the situation”

    1. first, he said from he can tell we have no assets on the ground. Therefore, we get our information from expatriates and refugees.

    2. second, he said Obama has no clue what has happened. Iran is no longer an Islamic Republic. It is a military dictatorship. Power has shifted away from the Mullahs to the Basijies. They are the ones doing the killing an torturing of protesters.

    3. third, a doctor spoke out fairly recently against the torture and rapes committed by the Basijies. He was imprisoned. Thereafter, he committed suicide by putting arsenic in his salad, according to the Basijies. My friend commended them for coming up with a more credible story. In prior cases, the Basijies ascribed the cause of death to the victim shooting himself in the back five times, which always seemed a less credible cover story.

    4. fourth, if Obama had any clue who was running the country then he would not waste his time negotiating with them. Their word has no merit. They are simply buying time and stockpiling weapons. Israel knows it but Obama is his prototypical clueless hopey changey self. As noted above they are running the clock out on him.

    5. fifth, Obama should give the protesters some encouragement. This is called The Green Revolution in honor of the Prophet Mohammed. I told him that if he had not told me that, and that the CIA is weak in that area then I would have assumed it was a Soros Brzizinsky, CIA operation, which are commonly but not always referred to colors revolution, except for the unsuccessful Cedars Revolution in Lebanon.

    This was when Hillary broke her arm in a serious facture–which mainstream media thought was hysterically funny, but rather than convalesce as doctor wanted had the operation and went

  247. This was when Hillary broke her arm in a serious facture–which mainstream media thought was hysterically funny, but rather than convalesce as doctor wanted had the operation and went
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    I meant to delete this phrase but as long as I didnt let me say something about it. What other public official can you think of who would go right back to work after a serious injury, at jeopardy to her health to serve her country. I am telling you (no I do not need to tell you) she is everything ABM 91 says about her–our greatest statesman and patriot. She has the same qualities Hedges admires, and that is why the military has such a high opinion of her.

    A friend of mine died last weekend I just found out. He was special forces and may have also been CIA–I never asked. He travelled alot to the middle east and eastern europe. But he had a soap business as well. He had a PHD from Wharton. He was a Republican but had the greatest respect for Hillary and was hoping she would become President. That is the way so many people who work in professions where results matter feel about her. The people who go apeshit for Obama tend to work in disciplines where there is no scoreboard or way to measure results. For them the value of an individual depends on how they make you feel. Hell of a way to run a railroad.

  248. The signal my friend suggested Obama give is to wear a green tie. I believe he wrote a letter to Obama recommending something like that. But when you have stary eyed fools like Power working for you, who needs practical advice?


  249. “The IPCC, which is the authority accused, is not going to be able to conduct the investigation,” he said, referring to the Nobel-winning UN Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change (IPCC).
    [….]
    Meanwhile, a UK report asks “Was Russian secret service behind leak of climate-change emails?”

    h/w
    independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/was-russian-secret-service-behind-leak-of-climatechange-emails-1835502.html

    =================

    The IPCC is not implicated by the stolen emails, which pertain only to one research facility in Wales.

    As to Russia, anyone in the pay of the polluters might have stolen the emails.

  250. Thanks for clarifying these points, Mrs. SMith. Some of your posts have been giving quite a different impression.

    Mrs. Smith
    December 6th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
    No one said that climate change is not happening. What the anti-global warming protesters are saying it’s a natural cycle.

    Mrs. Smith
    December 7th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
    We would be better off cleaning up rivers, dealing with corporate food giants, stopping clear cutting of rain forests, ending fish farms, funding public transit and green energy.

  251. turndownobama
    December 8th, 2009 at 1:47 am

    Thanks for clarifying these points, Mrs. SMith. Some of your posts have been giving quite a different impression.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    You’ll have to elaborate on what that quite a different impression is.

  252. Meanwhile, here is video depicting WHY the Global Summit is NOT a GOOD THING for US to SUPPORT.

    http://storyofstuff.com/capandtrade/

    It explains in easy to understand terms why the URGENCY to pass Cap and Trade Legislation and sign the UN agreement in Copenhagen.

    hint: It’s not about cleaning up rivers, dealing with corporate food giants, stopping clear cutting of rain forests, ending fish farms, funding public transit and green energy which we were led to believe was the reason for addressing Climate Change and Global Warming.

  253. The National Review:

    Obama’s Dwindling Ratings

    December 8, 2009

    Get used to the headline ‘Obama Approval Hits New Low’.
    At this point, polls showing Obama’s approval at roughly 50–50 barely constitute news, but Gallup has Obama’s approval at 47 percent, a new low, and disapproval at 46, a new high.
    As recently as mid-November, Obama was at 53 percent approval and 38 percent disapproval.

    You’ll hear a million and one theories for what’s driving the slump in Obama’s numbers: the Afghanistan war decision, lack of progress on health care, frustration with a sense of runaway public spending and a government that’s out of touch. I think Obama’s got bad news at a bad time.
    It’s December, and the holiday season. It’s a time when folks think about getting Christmas and Hanukkah gifts for their friends and family, and they’re finding that financial situations are forcing them to skimp a bit, or in some cases, a lot. They want Santa to leave a lot under the tree. It’s also coming up on the end of the year, and usually a time of reflecting upon the year gone by. A lot of folks, in January, thought that Obama’s inauguration meant better days were ahead. Not yet, they aren’t.
    If an unemployment rate between 4 and 6 percent is “normal,” as it was during much of the past decade, it looks like we’re going to take a long time to get back to it, more than one year. The signs of economic pain are still everywhere one looks in a lot of communities — foreclosure signs in front of houses, empty storefronts, construction projects on hold. Food and gas prices seem up a bit, exacerbating the squeeze.

    Americans elected Obama for results; they didn’t elect him so they could spend a year hearing him go on and on about all the problems he inherited.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121193280

  254. Here’s good sense on the CRU flap and good links.

    In the 60s tree ring size declined but actual temperatures rose as recorded by actual thermomenters. So from this point on the graph the actual thermometer readings were used.

    h/ no w
    firedoglake.com/2009/12/06/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-james-hoggan-climate-cover-up-the-crusade-to-deny-global-warming/
    By any objective standard the stolen data shows no evidence of any scientific misconduct, but private emails are particularly vulnerable to be taking out of context since the context is all previous communications between the two parties. The anti-science campaigners were therefore able to find emails they could misrepresent as proof of fraud. For example, in one email Phil Jones said that he had used a “trick” to “hide the decline”. This was taken out of context as meaning a decline in global temperatures, i.e., that he has dishonestly covered up evidence that global warming wasn’t happening. But in science “trick” just means a technique, and other emails make it clear that the “decline” wasn’t a decline in temperatures at all, but in tree ring density, a proxy for temperature. Before 1960 tree density tracks temperature quite well, but after 1960 temperatures go up while tree ring density goes down, so tree ring density stops being a good proxy for temperature. All Jones was doing was trying to avoid misleading readers into thinking that temperatures had declined after 1960 when they had not.

  255. Karzai Estimates 20 Years Before Afghan Security Is Independent

    During a news conference in Kabul with U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, Mr. Karzai repeated his hope that Afghan forces will be able to take the lead for security in five years. Gates said he hopes they will be ready sooner.

    The defense secretary is on an unannounced visit to press Afghan leaders to boost the size and capability of their security forces. His trip follows U.S. President Barack Obama’s decision to quickly send an additional 30,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan and then begin withdrawing them in 18 months as Afghan forces take on more responsibility. Gates said the eventual U.S. withdrawal could take several years to complete.

    President Obama’s Afghan plan puts a renewed emphasis on improving the competence of President Hamid Karzai’s weak government, which is struggling with widespread corruption. Before meeting the Afghan leader, Gates said he would tell Mr. Karzai that he must appoint “honest” and “competent” ministers to help deliver government services to the Afghan people.

    During his news conference, Mr. Karzai again pledged to eradicate corruption, and he said he would send parliament a list of nominees for his 25-member Cabinet by next week. The president is under intense pressure to nominate competent reformers not tempted by graft.

    Meanwhile, the NATO-led force in Afghanistan is denying allegations by Afghan officials that an overnight assault against a Taliban commander also killed several innocent civilians. A NATO statement says troops early Tuesday raided a suspected militant compound in Laghman province. NATO says its forces killed seven insurgents and detained four others without any civilian casualties.

    But Afghan Interior Ministry spokesman Zemari Bashary says the strike killed several civilians in addition to enemy forces. Witnesses in the area said NATO forces killed 12 Afghans, although it is unclear if that number represents all civilian deaths or includes the seven militant casualties. The Afghan government says it has launched an investigation into the incident.

    Also Tuesday, British Defense Secretary Bob Ainsworth arrived in Afghanistan on an unannounced trip. On Monday, Britain reported that 100 of its troops have died just this year.

    http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/asia/Karzai-Estimates-20-Years-Before-Afghan-Security-Is-Independent-78765637.html

  256. 08 Dec 2009
    Andrew Sullivan

    The Looming US-Israel Split

    That’s the likeliest consequence of the current awful choices the West has with respect to Iran’s nuclear weapon capacity. In a diplomatic war-game at Harvard, various experienced officials tried to game out future negotiations, sanctions and alliances. Iran’s revolutionary guard junta, which now runs almost all the country’s key institutions, wins every time. Broad sanctions won’t work; specific sanctions bring Russia and China again to Iran’s defense; and in the end, the US comes to the obvious conclusion that, absent launching a war we can neither afford not accomplish, the best strategy is containment of an Iran with nuclear latency or even a few nuclear bombs. This is certainly no riskier a strategy with respect to America’s vital interests than letting Pakistan have a nuke. But it leaves an obvious problem: Israel. David Ignatius:

    The trickiest problem for our imaginary Obama was his relationship with the fictive Netanyahu. As Burns and Gold played these roles, they had two sharp exchanges in which America asked for assurances that Israel wouldn’t attack Iran without U.S. permission. The Israeli prime minister, as played by Gold, refused to make that pledge, insisting that Israel alone must decide how to protect its security. Whereupon Burns’s president warned that if Israel did strike, contrary to U.S. interests, Washington might publicly denounce the attack — producing an open break as in the 1956 Suez crisis. The two key players agreed later that the simulation highlighted real tensions that the two countries need to understand better.

    One reason I have been focusing on Israel lately is because I can see this conflict coming and do not believe it can be contained or managed without a more open and honest public dialogue than the cramped and emotional one that occurs in Washington. The truth is: Israel and the US have very different interests with respect to Iran, and if Israel launches a war on Iran, against US wishes, then the alliance will never be the same.

    Gary Sick, who played the Iranian regime in the game, had the following to say on his blog: This game provided an opportunity for me to test my understanding of the dynamics propelling each side in the Iran debate. And the result, I am sorry to say, was even more depressing than I would have imagined.

    The fact that it was seasoned veterans of the policy process playing these roles makes it even more significant. The lesson was not so much that Iran could “win” this game so easily; it was that the US and its allies were unable even to imagine any alternatives.

    The game was structured to inject maximum “reality” into the scenario: the real world as it existed on the day we started, real professionals with real experience playing the roles of real governments, total freedom of action, and an open-ended scenario.

    Under those circumstances, the outcome was simply depressing!

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/12/the-looming-usisrael-split.html

  257. BRiefly–.

    What have Bill and Hillary said about Cap and Trade? Personally I’m against it — and against the ‘health care’ bill.

    Bill and Hillary are both supporting the ‘health care’ bill. THey say it is better than nothing and can be improved once it is in place.

    I trust them to have good reasons for their choice. But it’s up to us to oppose that bill, or at least the bad parts of it. This gives them more leveredge to get it improved.

    If it’s true that Gore supports Cap and Trade, the same will apply.

    Bill and Hillary are not villains for supporting the ‘health care’ bill at this time. Gore is not a villain if he does support Cap and Trade.

    And certainly the need for some health reform is not a ‘scam’ or a ‘fake’ — nor is human-caused global warming.

  258. Gore supported Obama instead of Hillary. Gore is not in the same class and caliber of Bill and Hillary. Gore chose to run with Obama and Soros. Gore be damned.

  259. Gore may have been wrong to endorse Obama (even after Hillary had endorsed him), but that does not mean that Global WArmong or Human Caused Global Warming is a ‘scam.’

  260. Gore wasn’t just wrong- He stabbed Bill and Hillary in the back after all they did for him- Gore is scum and he will fall, just like the rest of the DNc who turned on Hillary.

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