Mistake In ’08

The selection of Barack Obama is an historical mistake which will continue to unravel the Dimocratic Party for generations. Only now are honest Democrats beginning to assess the damage done. “Mistake In ’08” is the first installment in a multi-part series which will detail how big a mistake was self-inflicted by Democrats in 2008.

Item 10. We referenced Item 10 in The World Series: The Hillary Clinton Coalition Versus The Barack Obama Coalition, Part III Item 10 belonged to a list of consequences resulting from the recent November 2009 elections and the evidence mounting that the rejected Hillary/FDR coalition is a winning coalition while the Obama situation comedy coalition leads to electoral disaster. Here is what we wrote about Item 10:

10. The Dimocratic 10-year plan is dead. We’ll discuss this one soon (maybe tomorrow). It’s a six letter word.

What was that 10-year plan?

The six letter word is “census”. “The Census is the count of the US population conducted every ten years mandated by the Constitution. Redistricting is the process of drawing political borders to reflect changes in population.” Post-census redistricting was the Democratic 10 year plan which Obama has already effectively destroyed. 10 years of planning gone in a puff of smoke.

Briefly, after the disaster in 1994 when Democratic corruption and scandals and infighting resulted in a Republican triumph, Democrats realized they had a major problem. Not only had Democrats been hurt in national races, Democrats were severely beaten in state legislative races.

Republicans had taken advantage of their numeric power in the late 1980s and early 1990s to redistrict congressional lines to their advantage. After the 2000 elections Republicans did it again. Republicans redrew congressional district lines to benefit themselves. Democrats vowed to prepare for the 2010 census. “Census” and the redistricting which subsequently occurs became a Democratic mania.

Democrats created a 10-year plan to do to the Republicans via redistricting what the Republicans had done to Democrats with redistricted lines.

We’ll let Matt Compton of the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee explain (from a presentation at Nutroots Nation):



Compton quoted to the Nutroots Obama-lover Nate Silver’s prediction that Dimocrats will lose 20-50 House seats in 2010. Compton faced with dread the increasing possibility that Dimocrats will be wiped out again in state legislatures. Even more dreadful is the fact that it is “red” states which are growing in population which means it is in those growing “red” states, where Republicans rule, wherein redistricting will most determine the composition of the national Congress. It wasn’t supposed to be this way.

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It wasn’t supposed to be this way. For ten years Democrats plotted and worked.

First, after the 2000 debacle and the lead role of Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris, Democrats knew the state secretary of state office was important at the national level. In 2004, rulings by Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell undermined John Kerry and made the imperative to influence the state elections, which chose these important elected officials, even more of a priority.

More importantly, in electoral vote rich states like Ohio, the Secretary of State is also an important member of the apportionment board which draws the lines in the post-census redistricting. Steps had to be implemented to speed up implementation of the 10 year plan. The Soros funded Secretary of State Project aimed at shoring up the Dimocratic weakness. It was not just the role of State Secretaries of State in elections that was the problem – it was the census – it was redistricting.

Victories in the 2006 elections were meant to be the first step in the long road to post-census redistricting. First, a takeover of the congress in 2006. Next, an “expansion” of the majorities in 2008.

By 2010, the “hardening” of the gains would occur. In 2010, the glorious never-ending new age would begin – Democratic majorities would become permanent and “harden” and expand into areas and regions of the country never before friendly to Democrats. Eventually demographics, in the form of a minority majority country, would kick-in and the Democratic Party would rule for a thousand years. But it did not work out that way.

Now, Dimocrats who plotted for so long to win the post-census redistricting battle find themselves about to go up in a poof of Obama smoke.

It’s not only the anemic Obama poll numbers that worry. Already with less than 12 months in office Obama in some polls is below 50% approval. Unemployment, along with wasteful, spend, spend, spend policies and economic scams which only stimulate fraud, will likely drag Obama down even more next year.

Even Obama lovers begin to understand our critique of Obama as a cult of personality which will not help Dimocrats, but rather destroy the party. Matt Bai, Obama-lover:

MATT BAI WRITES IN SUNDAY’S NEW YORK TIMES MAGAZINE that President Obama has some selling to do if he’s going to be more than “a self-contained personality”: “Public support for each of Obama’s signature initiatives, including health care, remains lower than support for the president himself. In other words, without a sustained sales pitch to the voters, Obama has yet to convert his personal good will with the electorate into corresponding enthusiasm for his agenda. And as anxious congressmen study poll numbers and look toward their own re-election campaigns next year, that’s bound to become a more pressing problem for the White House. Lawmakers may yet be persuaded to enact the president’s ambitious agenda, coattails or not, but only if he gives them something else to which they can cling.”

The Obama cult of personality is a dying business. Even the object of the cult is no longer popular. For Dimocrats up for reelection in 2010 the cult of personality is a dying business:

Voters will choose 37 governors. Many Republicans view winning these races as the best way to rebuild the party because those elected to statehouses in 2010 will redraw congressional and legislative districts for the next decade.

Democrats have a 26-24 majority of governor’s posts, now that they lost Virginia and New Jersey to Republicans.

Both Republicans and Democrats expect the GOP will pick up Democratic-held seats in at least two states McCain won last fall. They are Tennessee, where Democratic Gov. Phil Bredesen is retiring with no obvious successor, and Kansas, where Democratic Gov. Mark Parkinson is stepping down and Sen. Sam Brownback is the GOP candidate.

Elsewhere, Republicans are looking to overtake Democratic governors in Colorado, Iowa, Massachusetts and Ohio. Incumbents in New York and Illinois are on the radar. The GOP has on its high-priority list open Democratic-held seats in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Attention is also on Oklahoma, Oregon, Maine and New Mexico.

In Iowa, the Republicans should be happy as polls show the incumbent is at an all time low.

In Ohio the results are just as sobering for the Dimocrats as Republicans gain strength.

Nationwide, independents flee from Obama Dimocrats.

Ten years of plotting, planning, and preparing – undone – by a boob.

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78 thoughts on “Mistake In ’08

  1. I thought Rudy would run for Governor??? Could it be that no rethug really wants to take on a fiscal problem that can’t be solved?? Rudy brought New York City back from financial collapse many years ago, so why wouldn’t he want to do this for the state?? Anyone with answers, blog them, I am interested in knowing??

    Just watched B Beck (bastard), I agree with what he is saying which is WHY Obama is breaking the US economy, but I also believe that GWB as well as every Rethug since Raygun has also tried to do it, WHY??? To level the playing field, which is to level the wages WORLDWIDE!!!
    Don’t tell me that the RETHUGS aren’t into this because the they are the ones that invented it, the dim’s just agreed this year to help them. Clinton’s have gotten in their way, that why the demonization of the Clinton’s was done and will continue to be done.

    Folks if we don’t kick the bastards out of our govt. we will be unemployed until the wages are leveled WORLDWIDE.

    The rethugs are the ones (BushI) was the one who loved this globalization which sent all of our manufacturing out of this country.
    I AM SO FREAKING PIST OFF AT THIS!! NO the Rethugs don’t want to help (RUDY), they freaking want to complain, blame us and then take back over the dirty deed is complete.

  2. ADMIN: ALEX JONES HAS RECENTLY RELEASED HIS “END GAME” IN FULL HQ
    IT CAN BE VIEWED AT THE LINK BELOW, PLEASE IMBED IF YOU LIKE.

    youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho

  3. Admin: could you please post this video. Graham destroys Holder for what was ultimately an Obama decision. Obama is the one who made the final decision to try KSM in Federal District Court as opposed to a military tribunal. He did this for cheap political advantage–to hammer on Bush. As a result, he has jeopardized the prospects for conviction, compromised the security interests of our nation, and imposed a heavy financial burden on New York.

    http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/lindsey-graham-destroys-eric-holder/

  4. I am really going to go out there and say this which I am sure will irritate everyone, but OBAMA is not a socialist, marxist, radical, he is a PUPPET. He is doing what the elites in this country tells him which is to BREAK the economy in the U.S. This is why he is Potus and Hillary isn’t. She refused! Bill and HIllary balanced the budget, got people off welfare and improved our image worldwide. Folks the people who own this country don’t want this done, they want a global economy in which America is no higher up on the totem pole than Africa.

  5. I enjoyed watching Hillary at the Karzia return to office.She stood straight as a ramrod,held out her hand while he bowed to her.Made me feel proud to see her represent our country in a firm and presidential way.She also greeted our troops and thanked them for thier sacrifices for our country.
    She looked so beautiful with new hairdo and apperantly very happy with her job and campaign.We must have her in the whitehouse and very soon as things get worse everyday as our illegal potus spreads the Soros agenda.I have noticed more of her coverage on local channels and even on the fringe media.As far as Palin goes,she is the product of a panic stricken Repo party and I would like to hear her remarks if she tried to top Hillary.Palin is out of her league and due to self destruct just like Obama.Please folks use the ballot box and vote the bums out.in spite off the voting booth fraud that the con-man has devised.

    By ABM90 We do not have time to waste.

  6. djia, These are the people that own Obama and both parties and until the people realize this it will continue to go down. Perhaps when so many people in this country is unemployed they will realize what people have been trying to tell them.

    Its a crying shame that the sheeples got pist at the rethugs then voted in hope and change, now their pist off at hope and change and they will go back to read my lips no new taxes. They are being tossed back and forth like a ship without an anchor. People need to learn to research, read and not wathch what the national TV puppets tell them. People need to learn to rely on their own instincts again, otherwise it is going to happen and very SOON!

  7. ABM91: You are absolutely correct about Secretary Clinton. She really is shining in her new role and seems happy, albeit, tired at times.

    Confloyd: You are right about BO; he is not a socialist.

  8. ABM: There was a beautiful picture on the front page of the NYT of Secretary Clinton getting off the plane in Kabul. She looked radiant. 🙂

  9. wbboei
    November 19th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
    A world of flooded coasts, dried-up rivers and disappearing rainforests will lead to massive refugee movements and conflict. The Nobel Committee should postpone the award ceremony for the Nobel Peace Prize from Dec. 10 to Dec. 20. Only if Obama has achieved a convincing deal at the Copenhagen conference will there be a real reason to honor him.–der spiegel

    He will sign it. For him it is the path of least resistance.
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    Pretty soon they will say man is responsible for the destruction of the dinosaurs
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    I disagree with ABM90…

    Although Hillary is obviously the finest prospect this country has for the presidency, Palin is the real deal. She has done some wonderful things in her short political career and she is a force to be reckoned with. I do not agree with her decision to step down, even though I understand her stated explanation. Hillary would never of made that decision, but then Hillary didn’t have 5 young children that were being skinned alive on national media day after day. The real reason may have been the mental health of her family, and I don’t think she will give that up to the media and I don’t blame her one bit. Yes, Hill has Chelsae, but she has been off limits. The media and many so called celebrities were monsters to the Palin children. On second thought, if this is the reason I am 100% behind her decision.

    By the way, the Senate is apparently going to try to pass the Fraud care this Sat, probably @ MN. Jesus, I hope it fails. I have called my two Senators, but both are Repub. I am going to call the fence sitters.

    Kerry’s daughter got a DWI in CA.
    I like her, and if Hill really decides not to run, I will support her.

  10. – AP
    – November 19, 2009

    Army to Allow Some Media Coverage During Palin Event at Fort Bragg

    The Army will allow the media some limited access to Sarah Palin during her appearance at Fort Bragg, after initially saying they would prohibit coverage.

    RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — The U.S. Army now says it will allow media limited access to Sarah Palin’s appearance at Fort Bragg.

    Army officials had said they would prohibit coverage of Palin’s on-post event, saying it would turn into political grandstanding against President Barack Obama.

    The Associated Press and The Fayetteville Observer objected and the military changed its position slightly on Thursday night. It will grant a pool of reporters restricted access to Monday’s appearance.

    Fort Bragg spokesman Col. Billy Buckner said members of the media will not be allowed to interview the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee and will be barred from talking to her supporters on post.

    Buckner said the setup will allow reporters their right to access while preventing the event from turning political.

  11. from drudge: VIA BP

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    The Rogue, on the Record
    A chat with Sarah.

    By Rich Lowry & Robert Costa

    http://tinyurl.com/yag4kvq

    Former Alaska governor and Going Rogue author Sarah Palin talked to NRO this afternoon in a wide-ranging and frank interview.

    She thinks President Obama’s bow to the emperor of Japan reflects an attitude that America should be “subservient to other countries”; characterizes Newt Gingrich’s thinking on NY-23 as reflective of a “political machine”; thinks that South Carolina voters should consider sending Sen. Lindsey Graham a message by supporting a conservative primary challenger; calls the media’s treatment of Carrie Prejean “unfair”; and says she would give John McCain “the benefit of the doubt” in their dispute over whether she was charged with fees for her vetting. And oh, yeah — her anonymous critics don’t have “guts,” and she’s not a David Brooks fan.

    “That was a mistake,” Palin says of the Obama bow. “It was symbolic of, perhaps, our country being led to believe that we are subservient to other countries.” She says she would “like to see us head more in the direction of Ronald Reagan’s thinking — knowing that we are a very, very blessed nation and a superpower.” She adds, “We can get there through a position of strength and not believing that we have to kowtow or bow to anybody.” Asked if she would have bowed, she replies, “No, sir.”

    Palin famously intervened in the NY-23 congressional race, endorsing Doug Hoffman. Newt Gingrich went the other way. Gingrich’s take on the race “was reflective of the way that some within either political machine, Democrat or Republican, operate,” Palin maintains. “There is, however, a desire for change in our country to move away from that kind of machinery within a party.”

    She continues, “A lot of Americans are moving toward more independent but commonsense conservatism. We’re not necessarily going to just go along to get along with what the party machine says is best for our districts. That was made evident by how well Doug Hoffman did. I consider it a huge success of his — coming out of virtually nowhere, underfunded, and then impacting that race. You’re going to see a whole lot of that across the country.”

    How about in South Carolina, where McCain buddy Lindsey Graham has angered conservatives with his various apostasies? “What I love about the Republican party is how we invite — or at least we should be inviting — healthy competition in our primaries,” says Palin. “It makes every candidate more candid, more truthful, and really wear their positions and their values on their sleeve.”

    “As for Lindsey, individually, I really like him,” she says. “His constituents may want to send him a message to say ‘shore it up’ and come back to some more commonsense, conservative ideals.”

    She suggests, meanwhile, that there might be encouraging news coming Marco Rubio’s way. She says she’s had a chance to look at the Crist-Rubio race “just on the surface.” But she adds, “I’m just being asked about it really in the last week or two, so I’ll dig more into it. I’ll find out what the guys are holding in terms of positions and see where maybe I can help.”

    On 2010 in general, “I would like to help whoever is bold enough and has a stiff enough spine to make the right decisions,” she says. “I’d be happy to help on a district and state level, and a local level, too. Change starts on the local level — that’s imperative. And I will help anybody who asks me.”

    Palin is firmly on the side of Carrie Prejean, the former Miss California who infuriated the Left by saying she opposed gay marriage, and has been embroiled in a sex-tape controversy during her book tour. “I think she’s had unfair treatment,” says Palin. “I think had she not spoken her mind and heart on stage in that pageant — where she spoke candidly and truthfully — then she would not have been clobbered by the press.”

    “The double standard applied to Carrie is atrocious. It’s also quite indicative of the state of the mainstream media today, which I’m not impressed with.”

    John McCain has disputed Palin’s account that she got stuck with the legal bill for her vetting, maintaining the bill was for expenses related to Troopergate. “I don’t know what his statements are,” she says, “but I know that there is a bill sitting there for the vetting and for many things that the campaign asked my personal attorney to produce, as a work product, for them.”

    “I know that I’ve been stuck with the bill,” Palin continues. “That’s what the truth is.”

    Asked if there might be innocent confusion between Palin and McCain over what were vetting and Troopergate expenses, she says, “We will assume that there is just some confusion there, but I know that my attorney was told that, had Senator McCain and I won the election, then that vetting bill would have been paid. Since we did not win, it is now said to be my personal responsibility to pay.”

    She’s not a fan of the anonymity that her critics from within the McCain campaign almost always hide behind. What does she think of that anonymity? “I don’t think much of it,” says Palin. “It’s kind of like the criticism from anonymous bloggers, which I totally ignore. If they don’t have the guts to put their name on it, then it’s not worth much to me.”

    New York Times columnist David Brooks has hardly been an anonymous critic. “Whatever,” laughs Palin about Brooks’s dismissal of her over the weekend as a “joke.” “I wish that guy would go back and look at my record and see my accomplishments and the commonsense, conservative principles that I applied as a city council member, a mayor, as a governor, as an oil regulator, etc. We had a lot of success and progress. I wish that he would judge me on that.” His comment, she adds, “is just one of those political shots where I just have to let that dart bounce right off and move on. If I’m worried about what he and everybody else said about me, then I’d be hunkered down in Alaska, hiding out.”

    She’s become used to this kind of attack: “If the elites and the mainstream media are uncomfortable with average, everyday Americans having a voice, then of course they’re going to attack the one who happens to have the megaphone.” She stipulates, “I’m going to have to prove myself to some people — if they have an open mind — by actions and not just words.”

    It wouldn’t be a Palin interview without asking about “death panels.” How did she come up with the phrase? “To me, while reading that section of the bill, it became so evident that there would be a panel of bureaucrats who would decide on levels of health care, decide on those who are worthy or not worthy of receiving some government-controlled coverage,” she explains. “Since health care would have to be rationed if it were promised to everyone, it would therefore lead to harm for many individuals not able to receive the government care. That leads, of course, to death.”

    “The term I used to describe the panel making these decisions should not be taken literally,” says Palin. The phrase is “a lot like when President Reagan used to refer to the Soviet Union as the ‘evil empire.’ He got his point across. He got people thinking and researching what he was talking about. It was quite effective. Same thing with the ‘death panels.’ I would characterize them like that again, in a heartbeat.”

    Here are some other issues that came up. On medical marijuana, which has been in the news recently: She says she does not support its full legalization, but “I’m not going to get in the way of a doctor prescribing something that he or she believes will help a cancer patient.”

    On Meghan McCain: “She was very nice to my daughters,” says Palin. “I appreciate that and respect that. I was pleased with the relationship that we had with Meghan.”

    On Facebook, which she has made such a powerful means of political communication: “Having a virtual office, and just working from my kitchen table, kind of forced me in that direction,” says Palin. “It’s become such an important tool in political discourse and discussion.”

    “Heaven forbid” her kids get on it, though. She says, “I forbid them from getting on Facebook for now. There’s just too much negativity out there, unfortunately.”

    With that, she jumped off for her next interview. She says she’s enjoying herself — but can’t wait to get out on the road.

  13. Clinton asks Karzai to bring technocrats into government

    WASHINGTON — US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton proposed Thursday to Afghan President Hamid Karzai to bring technocrats rather than warlords into his new government.

    The chief US diplomat disclosed what she said during an interview with Afghanistan’s Azadi radio while on a visit to Kabul for Karzai’s inauguration following fraud-tainted presidential elections in August.

    “I have made it clear, as have others, that we would far prefer that the president have people in the cabinet with professional skills, with experience and expertise who can actually do the work that is required,” Clinton said.

    “And I think he understands that and he is certainly giving me the strong impression that that?s what he intends to do,” Clinton said, according to a transcript released by the State Department.

    Karzai was sworn in for a second presidential term Thursday, winning Western praise with a promise to combat corruption and to put Afghan troops in charge of security within five years.

    When asked if the United States would support a Karzai administration with “warlords,” Clinton gave a nuanced answer.

    “Well, there are warlords and there are warlords,” she said.
    “There are people who are called back who fought on behalf of the people of Afghanistan against the Soviet Union, who fought against al-Qaeda and the Taliban and their allies,” Clinton said.

    “And there are people who had very serious breaches of human rights and mistreatment of people during war, which is always difficult to look back on and figure out how to judge,” she added.

    The secretary of state said it was up to the people of Afghanistan to decide whether to seek any political resolution with the Taliban, to whom Karzai has extended a hand. “But I think it is important to make sure that anyone who would be invited back into society gives up violence,” she said.

    “There should be the end of any kind of armed capacity outside the military and the police, which is why we are committed to helping build a professional, disciplined army and police force for your country,” Clinton said.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jp9xXrWvQ6-S0kTNAlc1w72lQ9bQ

  14. BP
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    Wednesday, November 18, 2009
    Hillary and Fabian Sittin in a Tree…

    Hillary mentioned one name. Fabian. Her crush as a schoolgirl in the fifties and sixties. She said:

    “Many, many, many, many years ago, when I was young, there was a singer in the United States whose name was Fabian. Some of you who are my age remember. And I was president of the Fabian fan club. And there were, like, three of us in it, but we took it very seriously.”

    Well, I am sure everyone was hoping for a different answer… but we got what we got so oh well. But NY Magazine did some digging as asked Fabian — who still performs with other acts of his era like Bobby Vee and the Chiffons — to see if the feeling was mutual.

    Apparently Fabian was impressed, first and foremost, with how Hillary dodged the question asked of her to begin with. He said:

    “It was fucking incredible… You know what I mean? I mean, I thought that was just fucking brilliant. I thought it was beautiful — being a politician, she got herself out of that one pretty good… The reason why I’m really a fan of hers is that with all she has been through [laughs], she comes out great… I mean, she came through Bill Clinton, she came through Obama, and she’s making the best with what she has.”

    I think we can all agree with that! He continued, “I mean, she’s an incredible woman. You know, she’s got bigger balls than most men out there.” That’s an incredible woman, indeed.

    http://allthingshillaryclinton.blogspot.com/2009/11/hillary-and-fabian-sittin-in-tree.html

  15. Travesty in New York

    By Charles Krauthammer
    Friday, November 20, 2009

    For late-19th-century anarchists, terrorism was the “propaganda of the deed.” And the most successful propaganda-by-deed in history was 9/11 — not just the most destructive, but the most spectacular and telegenic.

    And now its self-proclaimed architect, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, has been given by the Obama administration a civilian trial in New York. Just as the memory fades, 9/11 has been granted a second life — and KSM, a second act: “9/11, The Director’s Cut,” narration by KSM.

    September 11, 2001 had to speak for itself. A decade later, the deed will be given voice. KSM has gratuitously been presented with the greatest propaganda platform imaginable — a civilian trial in the media capital of the world — from which to proclaim the glory of jihad and the criminality of infidel America.

    So why is Attorney General Eric Holder doing this? Ostensibly, to demonstrate to the world the superiority of our system, where the rule of law and the fair trial reign. Really? What happens if KSM (and his co-defendants) “do not get convicted,” asked Senate Judiciary Committee member Herb Kohl. “Failure is not an option,” replied Holder. Not an option? Doesn’t the presumption of innocence, er, presume that prosecutorial failure — acquittal, hung jury — is an option? By undermining that presumption, Holder is undermining the fairness of the trial, the demonstration of which is the alleged rationale for putting on this show in the first place.

    Moreover, everyone knows that whatever the outcome of the trial, KSM will never walk free. He will spend the rest of his natural life in U.S. custody. Which makes the proceedings a farcical show trial from the very beginning.

    Apart from the fact that any such trial will be a security nightmare and a terror threat to New York — what better propaganda-by-deed than blowing up the courtroom, making KSM a martyr and turning the judge, jury and spectators into fresh victims? — it will endanger U.S. security. Civilian courts with broad rights of cross-examination and discovery give terrorists access to crucial information about intelligence sources and methods.

    That’s precisely what happened during the civilian New York trial of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers. The prosecution was forced to turn over to the defense a list of 200 unindicted co-conspirators, including the name Osama bin Laden. “Within 10 days, a copy of that list reached bin Laden in Khartoum,” wrote former attorney general Michael Mukasey, the presiding judge at that trial, “letting him know that his connection to that case had been discovered.”

    Finally, there’s the moral logic. It’s not as if Holder opposes military commissions on principle. On the same day he sent KSM to a civilian trial in New York, Holder announced he was sending Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, (accused) mastermind of the attack on the USS Cole, to a military tribunal.

    By what logic? In his congressional testimony Wednesday, Holder was utterly incoherent in trying to explain. In his Nov. 13 news conference, he seemed to be saying that if you attack a civilian target, as in 9/11, you get a civilian trial; a military target like the Cole, and you get a military tribunal.

    What a perverse moral calculus. Which is the war crime — an attack on defenseless civilians or an attack on a military target such as a warship, an accepted act of war that the United States itself has engaged in countless times?

    By what possible moral reasoning, then, does KSM, who perpetrates the obvious and egregious war crime, receive the special protections and constitutional niceties of a civilian courtroom, while he who attacked a warship is relegated to a military tribunal? Moreover, the incentive offered any jihadist is as irresistible as it is perverse: Kill as many civilians as possible on American soil and Holder will give you Miranda rights, a lawyer, a propaganda platform — everything but your own blog.

    Alternatively, Holder tried to make the case that he chose a civilian New York trial as a more likely venue for securing a conviction. An absurdity: By the time Barack Obama came to office, KSM was ready to go before a military commission, plead guilty and be executed. It’s Obama who blocked a process that would have yielded the swiftest and most certain justice.

    Indeed, the perfect justice. Whenever a jihadist volunteers for martyrdom, we should grant his wish. Instead, this one, the most murderous and unrepentant of all, gets to dance and declaim at the scene of his crime. Holder himself told The Post that the coming New York trial will be “the trial of the century.” The last such was the trial of O.J. Simpson.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/19/AR2009111903434.html?sub=AR

  16. popeater.com/2009/11/19/oprah-cancels-show-2011/?icid=webmail|wbml-aol|dl1|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.popeater.com%2F2009%2F11%2F19%2Foprah-cancels-show-2011%2F

    H and ws

    Oprah announces end of her show in 2011. Interesting. I wonder if this is some sort of signal. I guess that is too much to ask.

  17. Yep, I heard that today. Maybe she realized her audience is gone for what she perpetrated on Hillary. She got her highest audience in two years when Palin was on. She’s finished as a daytime talk show host. Lets give her show to Palin!

  18. Here’s an excerpt from Obamafile. I think its interesting and I actually heard him say this.

    And then there’s this — Obama says there’s a chance he won’t run in 2012.

    “You know, if — if I feel like I’ve made the very best decisions for the American people and three years from now I look at it and, you know, my poll numbers are in the tank and because we’ve gone through these wrenching changes, you know, politically, I’m in a tough spot, I’ll — I’ll feel all right about myself.”

  19. In the Video that Djia posted, the guy says that Rick Perry from Texas may be the next Potus. I hope not, not another religious right winger from Texas that wants a one world govt. Pls. we’ve been down this road already.

  20. Andrea Mitchell at Sarah’s book signing – Andrea looks like an old hag who just found out that her botox allotment has run out.
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    The real hatemongers in the press stand out.
    1. grabago skow modo
    2. bitchell
    3. oblberstrumfuerher

  21. You know, if — if I feel like I’ve made the very best decisions for the American people and three years from now I look at it and, you know, my poll numbers are in the tank and because we’ve gone through these wrenching changes, you know, politically, I’m in a tough spot, I’ll — I’ll feel all right about myself.”
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    This is an evasive answer. His poll numbers are not in the tank BECAUSE we have gone through wrenching change.The problem is the quality of his leadership.

  22. not another religious right winger from Texas that wants a one world govt. Pls. we’ve been down this road already.

    ===================

    Hm? Bush wanted a one world government? I thought it was left wingers who wanted that.

  23. “You know, if — if I feel like I’ve made the very best decisions for the American people and three years from now I look at it and, you know, my poll numbers are in the tank and because we’ve gone through these wrenching changes, you know, politically, I’m in a tough spot, I’ll — I’ll feel all right about myself.”

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    “very best decisions?” I knew this guy was delusional, but I didn’t know he was completely in denial.

  24. White House: We’re Not in the “Immediate Gratification Business”

    November 19, 2009
    Jake Tapper and Yunji de Nies report:

    President Obama has spent a week in Asia, with high level meetings across four countries. But critics argue all that time and jet fuel has not been well-spent. The President leaves South Korea today with arguably little show for it.

    After Obama’s joint press conference with President Lee Myung-Bak, White House senior advisor David Axelrod defended the visit to reporters in the hall of the Blue House.

    “This not an immediate gratification business. I understand that Washington’s in the immediate gratification business,” Axelrod said, “We made solid progress on climate change that’s been reported. We’ve helped him clarify understanding on security issues and obviously on economics. But nobody came expecting that all of these things would be resolved on this trip, this is part of laying the foundation.”

    But the list of disappointments is long:

    – official news from the Danish Prime Minister that the upcoming climate change summit in Copenhagen will not yield a binding international agreement.

    – Chinese President Hu Jin Tao made no commitments on balancing the yuan, and his government refused to broadcast live Obama’s town hall on state television.

    – Despite a personal appeal from President Obama, President Hu also continued to oppose economic sanctions on Iran.

    – A key meeting in Singapore with Russian President Dmitri Medvedev yielded official confirmation that US/Russian disarmament negotiators will not reach a new agreement before the START treaty expires on December 5th.

    Axelrod urged reporters to take the long view, “The ultimate measure is how these issues resolve in the weeks and months and years to come. We have a greater chance for success because of this trip and others he’s made.”

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/11/white-house-were-not-in-the-immediate-gratification-business.html

  25. Why the Greg Craig debacle matters

    President Barack Obama is returning from his trek to Asia Thursday to a capital that is a considerably more dangerous place for him than when he departed.

    While he was abroad, there was a palpable sense at home of something gone wrong. A critical mass of influential people who once held big hopes for his presidency began to wonder whether they had misjudged the man. Most significant, these doubters now find themselves with a new reluctance to defend Obama at a phase of his presidency when he needs defenders more urgently than ever.

    This is the price Obama has paid with his complicity and most likely his active participation, in the shabbiest episode of his presidency: The firing by leaks of White House counsel Gregory Craig, a well-respected Washington veteran and influential early supporter of Obama.

    The people who are most aghast by the handling of the Craig departure can’t be dismissed by the White House as Republican partisans, or still-embittered Hillary Clinton supporters. They are not naïve activists who don’t understand that the exercise of power can be a rough business and that trade-offs and personal disappointments are inevitable. Instead, they are people, either in politics or close observers, who once held an unromantically high opinion of Obama. They were important to his rise, and are likely more important to the success or failure of his presidency than Obama or his distressingly insular and small-minded West Wing team appreciate.

    The Craig embarrassment gives these people a new reason – not the first or only reason – to conclude that he wasn’t the person of integrity and even classiness they had thought, and, more fundamentally, that his ability to move people and actually lead a fractured and troubled country (the reason many preferred him over Hillary Clinton) is not what had been promised in the campaign.

    the rest is here;

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29716.html

  26. Good Morning All

    Yes, they will have to find a grandiosis and noble reason for his failure. Something (health legislation/his health) that will allow them to slide him out.

    They are trying to marginalize the doubling of the jobless rate under his administration. They are putting forward how much better the economy is. What they don’t analyze and tell you is where the American business made their recovery, and where those new higher income jobs are.

    In the news here,just the other night, they indicated that for this year teacher jobs were being save by the stimulus money. That is not where the money was intended to go. It was intended to go toward new permanent jobs, thus the creation of jobs. This maintained jobs.

    However, next year, the shxt hits the fan. The budget deficit is bigger, and that money will not be available to save those jobs again.

  27. Hassen Nemazee (hope that is spelled right) was featured in the evening news here in conjunction with Bill Richardson. He gave heavily to Richardson, Obama, and the Clintons (I think he ran her finances). Looks like maybe somem more pay to play stuff.

    They will not touch BR with a ten foot pole now. How convenient that OO no longer has any responsibility to take care of BR for his betrayal. Too bad he is not as good at doing the job as he is at getting rid of the people that put him there.

  28. confloyd and djia, I heard someone yesterday say their voting is no longer so much about Left vs. Right as it is about “Owned vs. Not Owned.” They’ll worry about ideology after they get the crooks and leeches and scamsters out of Washington.

    I’m seeing that mood all over the country, from both Ds and Rs. People are wising up to the tag-team “rip off the people” game the two parties have been playing, and have had enough.

  29. Yes Sarah, Britain does have Death Panels.

    When Sarah Palin said Obama’s healthcare plan would result in “death panels” that would see bureaucrats making subjective judgements on life and death, she was furiously howled down by Obama supporters.

    So how should we describe the expert panel of the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, which decided that patients will be denied a new cancer drug on the NHS under draft guidelines, because it is too expensive?

    Charities are outraged people with advanced liver cancer are to be refused life-extending Nexavar. Andrew Dillon, of the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence said: “The drug does not provide enough benefit to justify its high cost.”

    Andrew Dillon, the CEO of N.I.C.E., is a career bureaucrat, not a doctor or a scientist. He runs the system that says there is a cap of £30,000 per patient for a quality year of life. If the panel determines that a “quality year of life” will cost the NHS more than £30,000, you are dead…

    htt p://w ww.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/cancer-patients-denied-lifeextending-drug-1823412.html

    People with advanced liver cancer will be denied a new drug on the NHS under draft guidance published today.

    The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (Nice) said the price being charged by pharmaceutical firm Bayer for the medicine was “simply too high”. Treatment with the drug costs £36,000 a year per patient.

  30. HillaryforTexas, Good, I can’t wait. I am glad some are really listening because its the only way to get our country back. Somehow we must find out who is bought and paid for and who is not. It really makes no difference anymore whether they are democrat or rethug because both parties are in on it (combine). I hope to God they don’t try and put that lameass Rick Perry in, he is GWB’s blood brother.
    Just before Sarah quit her Governorship she made a trip to Texas and I hope it wasn’t to see Rick Perry. He is very handsome and of coarse Sarah is gorgeous, so I can see the handwriting on the wall for the selection committee (bilderberg’s). They think they can market this pair to the American people. We must wake up!

  31. H4T, I don’t know if Sarah could be bought and paid for, I hope not, but at this point, we all must be VERY careful. I still want Hillary. I want the one that can’t seem to get a break, that’s the one they don’t want in.

  32. Why the Greg Craig debacle matters
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    Is this how big media intends to get off the hook? By saying they thought he had integrity and that is why they voting for him (the lying inuendo that Hillary does not?) but now that they can see from the firing of the wonderful, and no doubt friend Greg Craig that Mr. Obama aint what they thought he was.

    Do you remember back in the middle of the Viet Nam era when George Romney went to Saigon and when he came back said he that he had been brainwashed and is now against the War. Well that is what this low life Drew is saying, only instead of going down with the ship like someone with a sense of nobility, decency and fair play would do ( by saying I am human I saying I am sorry, I am human, Imade a mistake we could have had Hillary you get this). If Drew falls in the ocean it would be a shame. If someone threw he a life ring it would be a tragedy.

    Notice the form of the argument: we were not wrong we were deceived. The truth is they were arrogant. They were fundamentally wrong. They did not do their homework. AND THEY BETRAYED OUR COUNTRY.

  33. NMF, I think that guy was like over her finances, maybe thats why she went broke. Maybe he was the one going thru her money like water so she did not have the money to keep fighting.

  34. And if they really want to face the truth, which nobody seems to want to do, they will look into the Soros thing and then watch the fur fly. They grow fat writing the same tripe year in and year out only changing the names. It is the problem with the beltway middle kingdom mentality. They are the last to recognize when a tipping point happens, when a point of departure occurs. This eastern Europe but they got bamboozled worse than anyone did over there when this same takeover occurred. And to think it happened despite their hubris and self congratulatory rhetoric. The Georgetown social set are the self serving flotsam and jetsom of our political system. They and the word trust do not belong in the same sentence.

  35. Barack will dart up to the podium. Wave to the adoring press, who can hardly contain their glee at seeing him. They are ready with their planted questions, the moment he says heel. He steps to the microphone clears his throat and they swoon. The first words out of his mouth are I want to than Secretary Geithner for the fine work he has done for this county. He I acutally) has had a visible impact on our economic sitation. Nevertheless I have told him that I want to take a different direction with that position. My dear friends in China have offered one of their economic experts to assume the role of Secretary of the Treasury, and Trustee In Bankruptcy. This is symbolic our our new relationship with the world, It is the hope and fulfillment of my campaign promise for change. And Daddy Soros loves it. Now I will turn it over to questions. Yes–go ahead Jake. Oh Jake, how they hanging? When we are done here you and I gotta go shoot some hoops. Go ahead dont be bashful Jake. Well Mr President. This news was not unanticipated. So let me ask you one of my searching questions. How was your omlette this morning. I heard it was overcooked by the new White House Chef Greg Craig–and thank you for providing him with a new billet. You certainly take care of your people. I brought my basketball sweats with me so when we tire of his nonsense we can get down to business on the court.

  36. Confloyd

    That is what I heard also. How could he give heavily to OO and handle HRC’s finance, unless all of it happened after she quit. Admin, do you have any information on this. If he was giving money before, that would be very interesting. But I doubt anyone will tell us that.

  37. They are discussing on TV that the Swine Flu epidemic is Over. That is interesting. They have not gotten out all the vaccine yet, and my significant other, who would have been in the second wave has not even gotten his shot.

    So what a mess. We did not get the vaccine out in time for people, and now the epidemic is over. What are they going to do with all that vaccine, which incubated longer than normal.

    Amazing.

  38. The Craig embarrassment gives these people a new reason – not the first or only reason – to conclude that he wasn’t the person of integrity and even classiness they had thought, and, more fundamentally, that his ability to move people and actually lead a fractured and troubled country (the reason many preferred him over Hillary Clinton) is not what had been promised in the campaign.
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    A fractured and troubled country Drew? Is that what it is? Well then let me suggest this modification. A fractured and troubled country made that way by a corrupt and deceitful white house press corps. Lest we forget you and your colleagues are part of the cabal that put him in there so for once in your life take ownership of the problem you and your colleagues created. And knock off this fractured and troubled country crap. The problem is not the people of this country it is people like you.

  39. Hey, all. Just decided to pop in and see what was afoot.

    The OK governor’s race is starting to heat up. Two Dems, Drew Edmondson and Jeri Askins, will have a bitter primary. Drew’s strength is E and NE. Jeri’s W and SW. There are two Republicans- Mary Fallin and Randy Brogan. Mary’s already in Congress and is best known for giving a blowjob to her trooper security detail. I know someone who has seen the pics, but unfortunately, the state’s largest paper will be backing her once again and keeping the pics out of the news. Brogan hasn’t a chance in hell, so it will be Fallin vs. the winner of the Drew/Jeri faceoff. I’m pulling for Drew, but then again, I supported him against Mike Synar years ago and worked on his campaign so I am biased.

    The general will be close no matter which Dem wins. I’d say within 4-5 points overall. Do note that the state legislature is GOP controlled now. They have some serious ethics issues, but they’re still in control and should be for some time.

    As for Palin. She will be Norman on the 3rd for a book signing. I’m planning on getting in as a pal of mine is the book manager where the signing is. I’m presently debating on whether to buy a “Guess He Can’t” shirt from tshirthell.com or “Officer Down.” I have the Obama anti-Christ ’08 shirt so maybe I’ll just wear it. 😆

    BTW- anyone watch Fox and Friends this morning? There was a great double interview with Carly Fiorina and Lady Lynn Forester De Rothschild. Gretchen questioned them on Palin’s treatment by the media. Both guests agreed the media had a double standard and hated that which they could not quantify or control. The best line was from Carly who stated essentially that modern feminism was the courage to live the life you want while telling everyone else to kiss your ass. OC, I’m paraphrasing here. She was also highly complimentary of Hillary and how she conducted herself in the past and even now.

    Anyhow, loved the piece on Greg Craig and really think he’s getting what he deserves. Too bad. So sad. He threw his lot in with liars and thieves and knows that now. :mrgreen:

  40. I am sure the dems will get the health care plan. I am reasonably sure the base wont like it because it will be a give awa to big business. The middle class wont like it either. I see a victory for him but not salavation. Snidely Whiplash can be coy and say we not in the immediate gratification business but that is no defense for long term failure. The disappointment list is growing, but in the end it may be the pyrhic victories that sink his ship.

    the list of disappointments is long:

    – official news from the Danish Prime Minister that the upcoming climate change summit in Copenhagen will not yield a binding international agreement.

    – Chinese President Hu Jin Tao made no commitments on balancing the yuan, and his government refused to broadcast live Obama’s town hall on state television.

    – Despite a personal appeal from President Obama, President Hu also continued to oppose economic sanctions on Iran.

    – A key meeting in Singapore with Russian President Dmitri Medvedev yielded official confirmation that US/Russian disarmament negotiators will not reach a new agreement before the START treaty expires on December 5th.

    Axelrod urged reporters to take the long view, “The ultimate measure is how these issues resolve in the weeks and months and years to come. We have a greater chance for success because of this trip and others he’s made.”

  41. Axelrod urged reporters to take the long view, “The ultimate measure is how these issues resolve in the weeks and months and years to come. We have a greater chance for success because of this trip and others he’s made.”
    ———————–
    Snidely you are brilliant. But how do you measure that there is now a greater chance of success. Is there something tangible we can hang our hat on or just your perverse political spin. Another unchallenged assumption that whizzes past the head of mainstream media who stands there with a bat and doesn’t even swing at the ball. I do not think they have even figure out why that pitcher on the mound 90 feet away is throwing a ball at them just because they happen to be standing at home plate.

  42. Anyhow, loved the piece on Greg Craig and really think he’s getting what he deserves. Too bad. So sad. He threw his lot in with liars and thieves and knows that now.
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    Correct.

  43. I’m not so certain the Senate will pass the bill. Lincoln has been outed as a ‘yes’ by Durbin and folks will be ringing her off the hook. The $100M payoff to Landrieu is as gross as it gets IMHO. And Ben Nelson was just holding out for more cash and prizes.

    Lieberman is going to gut himself to filibuster this thing if it goes to debate. Plus, think of this weekend’s vote as just a procedural vote to open debate. Joe will stay true to his word. There’s too much bad blood between himself and 👿 and Senate Dems at this point for him to back off. His re-election chances will hinge on GOP support and they have said loud and clear they will do whatever he wants so long as he votes against health care.

    Lastly, there are supposed to be like 5 Dems who will be on CODEL’s this weekend and Byrd is out 90% of the time and most likely has dementia. Unless something has changed, they can’t get the 60.

  44. I cannot get over this reaction to the Craig firing. Was he leaking information to her or what? For people who have lied for Ogama and shut their eyes to the truth for two years and damaged the country for this Craig business to suddely be a gotterdamerung for big media does not make sense.

  45. Unless in their eyes he was one of them–2 six figure incomes, children in private school, undocumented worker as maid, same fraternities, townhouse in Chevy Chase or Georgetown, summer place on the eastern shore–our crowd as they used to say. Our crowd is supposed to be untouchable. Perhaps that is the reason for the rude awakening.

  46. wbboei, Craig was one of them. He was seasoned insider. Right education, right party circuit, etc.. 👿 gained a lot of credibility due to Craig’s support. I recall seeing lots of folks on the fence begin to support 👿 after Craig’s memo came out. Their chief argument was HRC was too polarizing and lied. OC, the 4th estate ate that shit up.

    Now, they realize they, too, are in the wolf’s den and there’s little escape. Their credibility is on the line. If they attack too much, they risk losing access. Worse, they cannot trust each other because they are ALL in the same boat….hoping 👿 gets lucky. They need 👿 to be successful this weekend on health care. They need him to make a sound decision on Afghanistan. If he doesn’t, then they can’t right Craig off as an aberration and not a measure of 👿 ‘s true nature.

  47. Sorry- If he doesn’t, then they can’t write Craig off as an aberration and not a measure of 👿 ’s true nature.

  48. The other possibility is that Craig may be making the rounds crying on everbodys shoulder but in the best traditions of wasp culture with a stiff upper lip. The word gets around poor Craig he was so noble even in the face of bad behavior he took it like a good soldier–shades of Gordon Liddy. Friends are reaching out to him now and to his wife. They are telling him things like you are a noble human being. Your standards are higher than the morals of the marketplace. He smiles, nods and lowers his head in stony silence. Next day he goes to work for a big lobbying firm with a million dollar base and a 30% commission. Now that is what I call a happy ending.

  49. Craig was one of them. He was seasoned insider. Right education, right party circuit, etc.. gained a lot of credibility due to Craig’s support. I recall seeing lots of folks on the fence begin to support after Craig’s memo came out. Their chief argument was HRC was too polarizing and lied. OC, the 4th estate ate that shit up.

    Now, they realize they, too, are in the wolf’s den and there’s little escape. Their credibility is on the line. If they attack too much, they risk losing access. Worse, they cannot trust each other because they are ALL in the same boat….hoping gets lucky. They need to be successful this weekend on health care. They need him to make a sound decision on Afghanistan. If he doesn’t, then they can’t right Craig off as an aberration and not a measure of ’s true nature.
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    Okie–you may have the answer there. If Craig is the one who his friends in the press to vote for Obama because he “had integrity’ and “class” as Drew put it, and then the Obamas crew then stabs him in the back, that would send shock waves. There but for the grace of god goeth I. Also, they may be tiring of being micromanaged by the white house.

  50. There have been lots of rumors of micromanagement by the CoS’s office. Could it be more of a case of Rahm being amuck and 👿 being his typical aloof self?

    Also, what do you think about Dunn’s departure? Too little too late? Any permanent damage from her actions with the press corp?

  51. Or do you think she had to go so her hubby could take Craig’s job?

    Personally, I think she had to go after the FOX flub. She became the public fall guy because the porn ‘stache couldn’t be. I think her hubby got the job as a ‘thanks for taking one for the team’ runner up prize.

  52. scape goat for gitmo

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    That is what I thought, but Okie’s thought also crossed my mind.

  53. Newsman Lou Dobbs mulls run for White House, Senate

    Thu Nov 19, 2009

    PHOENIX, Nov 19 (Reuters) – A week after abruptly quitting his longtime job as a CNN television news host and commentator, Lou Dobbs said on Thursday he is considering career options including possible runs for the White House or U.S. Senate.

    “Right now I feel exhilaration at the wide range of choices before me as to what I do next,” Dobbs, whose outspoken views on immigration and other topics often angered liberals, told Reuters in a telephone interview from New York on Thursday.

    Dobbs, 64, a veteran CNN anchor who had become one of the most divisive figures in U.S. broadcast journalism, announced last Wednesday he was leaving CNN after spending the better part of 30 years at the 24-hour cable news network.

    He still hosts a daily radio show.

    A Texas native, Dobbs has drawn fire from Latino leaders and civil rights groups for frequent on-air remarks about U.S. border control and immigration that critics saw as demonizing illegal immigrants.

    He was also seen as lending credence to the “birther” conspiracy theory, whose adherents believe President Barack Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate was faked to hide a Kenyan birthplace that would make the first black U.S. president ineligible for his office.

    Dobbs acknowledged his commentary also stirred friction with CNN executives. Discussions with CNN/U.S. President Jonathan Klein made it clear Dobbs’ style of combining news and opinion was untenable at the network, Dobbs said.

    “They wanted to reverse direction on my show from what had been a news debate and my opinion to a middle-of-the road, as Jon Klein styled it, non-opinion show,” he said. “It was just not gratifying to me to sit there and read a news show — and I much prefer to be more engaged.”

    Dobbs vowed to carry on expressing his views “fully and straightforwardly in the public arena no matter what I decide to do next.”

    Since his departure, some have speculated he might run as a candidate for the U.S. Senate in New Jersey, where he has a home, or even run as a third-party candidate in the 2012 U.S. presidential elections — options he says remain on the table.

    “I am ruling nothing out. … I have come to no conclusions and no decisions,” he said. “Do I seek to have some influence on public policy? Absolutely. Do I seek to represent and champion the middle class in this country and those who aspire to it? Absolutely. And I will.”

    http://www.reuters.com/article/mediaNews/idUSN1917286020091119

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