Bullets Fly In The Democratic Civil War

The latest abortion fight on health care reminds us of how we got to this point in America – with “progressives” claiming women must once again suffer for the “greater good”. The fake, “progressives in name only” (PINOs), with their lurid arguments against equality still denigrate women in order to promote and protect Barack Obama and the ugly Obama situation comedy coalition which these disgusting PINOs are a party to.

In April of 2008, as Dean/Obama/Brazile/Pelousy/Kennedy plotted to gift Obama the nomination and deny the Democratic grassroots the determinative voice in selecting the Democratic Party nominee for President,
we predicted a Democratic Party civil war.

By May 2008, we stated that the Democratic Civil War was on. We wrote then, “It is a war that must be fought.” On Memorial Day 2008 we not only wrote “The Civil War has begun”, we spoke to the sexism that was apparent and pervasive in the Democratic Party. We quoted some good writings which discussed the situation. Kristen Breitweiser

Those who are responsible for putting Democrats in the broken place we are in right now with regard to Barack Obama had better own it to the end. Leave those bumper stickers on and wear those campaign pins until the bitter end folks because YOU OWN IT. And people are going to want to know whose [sic] to blame.

The London Times:

Yet the excoriation of Hillary – under the cover of Clinton-bashing – raises the question of whether America could elect any woman at all. A country self-flagellating about its racial fissure has basked in its own misogyny. Racism is a proper injustice after all, sexism a Vaudevillian amusement. And so the “Bros not Hos” T-shirts depicting Obama (the black brother) and Hillary (the whore) are simply a blast. The Hillary Clinton novelty nutcrackers, on sale in American airports, are just frat-boy joshing, while a crude racial novelty item – perhaps a mammoth Obama pepper grinder to indicate the stereotypical size of the black male organ – is unlikely to have a patent pending.

Those who heckled Hillary with “iron my shirts” would be indicted or lynched if they barracked Obama with “bus my table” or “shine my shoes”. And it may be his slip of the tongue, “a bad habit”, as he says, to call a female reporter “sweetie” – although what might it be if Hillary called a black writer “boy”? – but did the journalist herself deserve to be branded a “bitch” or a “fat slob” merely for taking umbrage?

When the Democratic convention trashed Hillary votes by nominating Obama, Hillary supporters and many, many, Democratic women prepared to vote against Obama. The Democratic Party and Barack Obama, which hitherto paid little to no attention to women then began to wave the red flag of abortion rights and the Supreme Court to get Hillary supporters to debase ourselves and vote for Obama. Here at Big Pink we would not fall for the abortion red flag ploy. We wrote about how women had been ignored but now were being played for fools:

Now, Obama supporters and Democrats appear only to be concerned about Women. Hillary supporters are told: ‘The Supreme Court, Oh, The Supreme Court, Think of the Supreme Court and abortion and blah, blah blah’.

Women are expected to only care about abortion – not their self respect.

The cries for “Unity” are heard in abundance, in full shout, from those that sowed the seeds of division. However, the seeds of division have borne a bumper crop this year.

Democrats like Obama/Dean/Brazille/Pelosi think they can wave the red flag of ‘Supreme Court’ or ‘Abortion’ and women will come running to the aid of the Democratic? Party and forget the misogyny Obama/Dean/Brazille/Pelosi never spoke against while Hillary and her supporters were belittled and denigrated.

We debunked those arguments and demanded respect for women and for equality. We made it clear that we did not trust Obama, nor Dimocrats, on women’s issues nor on abortion rights, nor on Supreme Court appointments. Now the same Democrats/PINOs/Hopium addled boobs that declared abortion rights as the be all and end all, want to convince Democrats and women that abortion rights and equality should be cast aside for the greater good.

In 2008, Dimocrats said “vote because abortion rights are so important”, but in 2009 the argument is “suck it up, abortion rights are not so important”.

This time we Hillary supporters are not alone in noticing the Dimocratic and Big Blog Boys PINO hypocrisies. And open warfare after a preparatory period, with shooting, heralds the Democratic Civil War.

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The boy PINOs, and they are boys, at Move-On are running attack ads attacking Democrats who voted “no” on the Obamination health scam. The boys at PINO Move-On do not care about women’s equality rights. No surprise here about those Obama-loving boys.

While the boys of Move-On attack Dimocrats we have congressional Dimocrats who voted FOR the Obamination (now they claim to have 41 votes who this time really mean it, already committed, again) echoing John Kerry. “I voted FOR it, before I voted AGAINST it” say the Dimocrats.



As we wrote in our last article, who is going to believe the useless “pro-choice caucus” or the “progressive bloc” and their latest threats? They voted FOR the Obamination. Now they stomp their feet and say “next, I’ll vote AGAINST”. Imagine the ads “I voted FOR it, before I voted AGAINST it”.

The “progressive bloc” and the “pro-choice caucus” betrayed their own constituencies just like Gay-American “leaders” betrayed their own and just like some Jewish “leaders” betray their own and just like abortion rights groups (think NARAL endorsing do nothing newbie Obama over always there Hillary) betrayed their own. They are all boobs who will defend Obama and throw away all of the few principles they give lip service to.

These useless fools are now making even more not credible threats:

We will not vote for a conference report that contains language that restricts women’s right to choose any further than current law.

As if anyone believes them they say this foolishness.

The remaining Hopium guzzling boobs of the “creative class” will be the only ones who believe these empty threats. Representative Diana DeGette, as we wrote previously, now tells the Washington Post that she will abort the Obamination unless women are only oppressed as they are currently. Possibly DeGette and Slaughter will hold their breaths and turn purple but no thinking person can possibly believe these clowns.

Meanwhile the gay Hillary haters who trashed Hillary and Bill Clinton while they fellated Obama now want to organize a gaycott or boycott or something (these boobs call it a “pause”) which is too little too late. Until and unless these boobs realize that Obama must be removed from office or at the minimum removed as a 2012 candidate the problem will not go away. The problem is Obama and his situation comedy coalition.

Here is a list of boobs who led Democrats astray and continue to shamelessly promote themselves as “leaders”, but are the ones responsible for continued support of Obama:

Joe and I are launching today a donor boycott of the DNC. The boycott is cosponsored by Daily Kos, Jane Hamsher of FireDogLake, Dan Savage, Michelangelo Signorile, David Mixner, Andy Towle and Michael Goff of Towle Road, Paul Sousa (Founder of Equal Rep in Boston), Pam Spaulding, Robin Tyler (ED of the Equality Campaign, Inc.), Bil Browning for the Bilerico Project, and soon others.

It’s really more of a “pause,” than a boycott. Boycotts sounds so final, and angry. Whereas this campaign is temporary, and is only meant to help some friends – President Obama and the Democratic party – who have lost their way. We are hopeful that via this campaign, our friends will keep their promises.

So please sign the Petition and take a Pledge to no longer donate to the DNC, Organizing for America, or the Obama campaign until the President and the Democratic party keep their promises to the gay community, our families, and our friends.

These Hillary haters and Obama enablers need to be removed from the debate. They think they are cute with their simpering “pause”. They are Obama loving boobs who have led the once great Democratic Party astray and plunged the nation into the abyss by supporting Obama. These fake gay “leaders” betrayed their constituency when they supported gay-basher Obama and continue to betray with their fake “pause” and their fake outrage.

At the Hopium drunk booby hatch we call “Nothing Left” the excuse machine is working overtime. But the Hopium boozehounds are not taking the nonsense with their usual glee, if the comments are to be believed. This comment gets to the point:

Don’t people realize that unless the progressive movement decisively breaks with its slavish devotion to Saint Obama and the Democratic Party, we’ll never get our country out of this mess? Now is not the time to congratulate these hacks, now is the time to get angry!

Some are even beginning to question the boys on the blogs:

what is the use of the progressive blogosphere if it merely echoes what the Beltway Democrats say and think?

If those who run those blogs merely mouth the conventional wisdom, what is gained? Only another voice in an already too-crowded echo chamber.

The only way these blogs can be useful is if they are informed and skeptical analysts of the stream of information/disinformation that our politicians shower us with daily. If they become simply another establishment outlet disseminating the same stuff, they become useless.

I appreciate your efforts on this issue, but this diary goes in the wrong direction.

Too late. The Big Blog boys have been an echo-chamber of Big Media Hillary hate since 2007. The source of ire for that comment was a ludicrous article by the ludicrous Mike Lux who persists in the defense of flim-flam Obama. The article was so ludicrous it was roundly mocked and jeered. Even in the Nothing Left dens, the Hopium guzzlers are falling off the tree.

This comment in response to ludicrous Mike Lux gets to the heart of the matter even as it is met with Hopium addled ignorance and misinformation:

Clinton would’ve stood up for us. That’s the difference. She knows how to fight.

We expect Hillary to continue to bide her time and continue to be a “team player” but we cannot wait for the day she breaks out of her gilded cage and tells the truth.

Along with the typical Hillary hate and Obama love at Nothing Left, some are not only questioning their “leaders” but they are ever so slowly beginning to realize the Big Blog Boys have sold them out. Now there is even open mockery of the “progressive bloc” by the creative class minions who are learning they were flim-flammed and taught to tolerate misogyny and the savaging of a true Democrat – Hillary Clinton – in order to oppress the nation with the flim-flam man from Chicago.

Funny, I don’t read much anymore about the Progressive Bloc at OpenLeft. Cat got your tongues?

These Big Blog Boys are the boobs that bark for donations to the “progressive bloc” of do-nothing boob Dimocrats. These Big Blog Boys are the boobs who attacked Blue Dog Democrats and Republican Joe Wilson for calling Obama a liar – then immediately turned their attentions to raising over a million dollars for the Blue Dog that will run against and be beaten by Joe Wilson. These are boobs, plain and simple – boy boobs who call themselves the “creative class”.

In another bullet flying on the Big Boy Blog called Nothing Left one commenter gets it that the Obama health insurance scam is an Obamination that demands defeat. This comment comes from the “creative class” boobs who now realize the Big Blog Boy “leaders” who hated Hillary are boobs or worse:

The bill sucks, okay. The bill sucks. We aren’t talking about demanding perfection. We are talking about a bill that, in many ways, is worse than the current situation. [snip]

Good negotiation requires credibility. The Congressional Progressive Caucus drew a line in the sand, demanding a robust public option. They didn’t get it. Then they voted for the bill anyway. Way to flush your credibility down the toilet. Maybe Lux doesn’t have much experience in negotiation, but I can assure people that empty threats are a big no-no.

How bad is the Obamination? Another (possibly former) Hopium guzzler explains:

My sentiments echo those of Marcia Angell, M.D. Physician, Author, Senior Lecturer, Harvard Medical School, per her article on Huffington Post this morning:

“Well, the House health reform bill — known to Republicans as the Government Takeover — finally passed after one of Congress’s longer, less enlightening debates. Two stalwarts of the single-payer movement split their votes; John Conyers voted for it; Dennis Kucinich against. Kucinich was right.

Conservative rhetoric notwithstanding, the House bill is not a “government takeover.” I wish it were. Instead, it enshrines and subsidizes the “takeover” by the investor-owned insurance industry that occurred after the failure of the Clinton reform effort in 1994. To be sure, the bill has a few good provisions (expansion of Medicaid, for example), but they are marginal. It also provides for some regulation of the industry (no denial of coverage because of pre-existing conditions, for example), but since it doesn’t regulate premiums, the industry can respond to any regulation that threatens its profits by simply raising its rates. The bill also does very little to curb the perverse incentives that lead doctors to over-treat the well-insured. And quite apart from its content, the bill is so complicated and convoluted that it would take a staggering apparatus to administer it and try to enforce its regulations.

What does the insurance industry get out of it? Tens of millions of new customers, courtesy of the mandate and taxpayer subsidies. And not just any kind of customer, but the youngest, healthiest customers — those least likely to use their insurance. The bill permits insurers to charge twice as much for older people as for younger ones. So older under-65’s will be more likely to go without insurance, even if they have to pay fines. That’s OK with the industry, since these would be among their sickest customers. (Shouldn’t age be considered a pre-existing condition?)

Insurers also won’t have to cover those younger people most likely to get sick, because they will tend to use the public option (which is not an “option” at all, but a program projected to cover only 6 million uninsured Americans). So instead of the public option providing competition for the insurance industry, as originally envisioned, it’s been turned into a dumping ground for a small number of people whom private insurers would rather not have to cover anyway.

If a similar bill emerges from the Senate and the reconciliation process, and is ultimately passed, what will happen?

First, health costs will continue to skyrocket, even faster than they are now, as taxpayer dollars are pumped into the private sector. The response of payers — government and employers — will be to shrink benefits and increase deductibles and co-payments. Yes, more people will have insurance, but it will cover less and less, and be more expensive to use.

But, you say, the Congressional Budget Office has said the House bill will be a little better than budget-neutral over ten years. That may be, although the assumptions are arguable. Note, though, that the CBO is not concerned with total health costs, only with costs to the government. And it is particularly concerned with Medicare, the biggest contributor to federal deficits. The House bill would take money out of Medicare, and divert it to the private sector and, to some extent, to Medicaid. The remaining costs of the legislation would be paid for by taxes on the wealthy. But although the bill might pay for itself, it does nothing to solve the problem of runaway inflation in the system as a whole. It’s a shell game in which money is moved from one part of our fragmented system to another.

This comment demonstrates that women are putting down the Obama Hopium teat held by Big Blog Boys:

F*ck You, Mr. Lux

The Stupak Amendment is not symbolic. It’s the worst blow to women’s reproductive freedom in over a generation. So it may be no more than mere collateral damage to you, but it’s my body and the bodies of 51% of the nation that are being played as a political football. So to quote Ving Rhames in Pulp Fiction “I’m pretty f*cking far from okay.”

So really, f*ck you and f*ck the two bit f*cking horse you rode in on. You want eloquence on this subject, my husband jeff is the guy to go to. I don’t have it in me anymore.

(asterisks added by Big Pink).

We have to remove the “u” from those four letter words, but otherwise some of the Hopium guzzlers are sounding increasingly like Big Pink or even Tea Party people in recognizing the Dimocrats and Obama are a flim-flam operation. The Hopium guzzlers at Nothing Left even seem to remember the town hall lies told by Dimocrats:

Just a month ago, my congressperson held a much-belated town hall meeting where she repeatedly assured nearly 1000 people in attendance (most of whom were there testifying, demanding, clapping and hooting on behalf of some sort of single payer/Medicare for all, by the way!) that we could rest assured about the House…the House was our friend. The House would produce a bill with a truly robust public option…the House would counter the disappointment of the Senate and Baucus with a plan that would serve all Americans well. The House would take care of the people–not big insurance, not big pharma–but the people by taking to conference the strongest possible public option.

As I think back to that, I’m nearly shaking with rage at what has just happened–thanks to our “friend, the House.”

And from you, we get the utterly offensive message –really gross as a matter of fact–that we should understand and learn to appreciate the most regressive sell-out of women in my lifetime (a sell-out orchestrated by the goddamn Democratic leadership--headed up by a woman from San Francisco no less–to rack up the last couple of votes for a bill that was called here last night “watered down, watered down, watered down”) because it wasn’t really a sell-out of women after all. No it was just the necessary casting of women–especially poor, desperate women– as political footballs to pass a lame bill that is, lest we forget is “watered down, watered down, watered down.” Hey, just the nature of the beast, you say.

And then, as if all this wasn’t enough the folks you actually manage to condemn the strongest, the ones you are truly “appalled by,” are the two progressive House Democrats who actually, you know, voted as progressive House Democrats. My god…I have no words for this.

At this point, Progressive Caucus is a joke. The Democratic party is a joke. And the Health Insurance industry is having the laugh of its life.

This is the most infuriatingly obsequious post I’ve ever read on Openleft. How utterly disappointed and saddened I am that you thought to post this.

[And remember how the “creative class” attacked war-monger Hillary and praised that peace loving god Barack Obama? Now these “creative class” boobs will swallow as 100,000 troops are in Afghanistan during election year 2012.]

We went into the Hopium drenched cesspools in our Pink waders so our readers did not have to. We found the analysis at Mother Jones of Obama’s health care scam and the abortion rights outrage in The Price of Health Reform: Abortion Rights?

We re-read the moot paragraphs and Obama style flowery words of the Democratic Party plank on abortion. We read at FireDogLake the anger even among Hopium guzzlers there who realize the health care scam is an Obamination:

I don’t understand celebrating this pile of dung. Sure, pre-existing conditions can no longer be denied. Great. Now the fun part. When the insurance companies have to start covering all these things they weren’t covering before, um, well, guess what happens to premiums? And especially guess what happens to them when there is no PO (or one like this one that is pile of shit), well the premiums are going to go up more.

This bill does NOTHING except make the insurance companies cover people and procedures they didn’t before, but makes sure they get paid handsomely for doing so. OK, the subisides for folks to buy that insurance I’ll agree is a plus, but it would’ve been a bigger plus had they been able to use those subsidies on a real, viable, strong PO.

Oh, and then there’s the Stupid amendment. I’ll bet anyone now that if a health insurance bill is signed by Obama, it WILL include the Stupid amendment.

I know it wasn’t Jane’s fault (bless her for all of her hard work), but the fact remains, we had a PLEDGE from progressives to vote NO, and I gave to that pledge as did thousands of others. The next time a fund like that is set up, how likely do you think it’s going to be we give again?? I know the answer for me. In fact, I want my $100 back.

Sorry folks, I’m NOT celebrating. I hope this bill DIES, and they either start over next year with single payer or nationalize the elections on that issue next year.

and

With respect to “compromise” being necessary to address “political realities” in getting any bill passed, I think that, instead of the perfect being the enemy of the good, which proponents of this bill would tell us, we have something neither perfect, nor good, but simply bad. [snip]

The “change” hoax is being exposed. The national political leadership of the Democratic Party is being exposed. The myth of the populism of the “liberal feminist” figures like Pelosi is being exposed. That is the only silver lining in what otherwise looks like the last chance for a very long time to get a good health care system founded being squandered to cater to plutocratic interests and election PR.

In the Democratic Civil War a great many Hopium guzzlers will soon be imitating John Kerry and saying “I voted for Obama, before I voted against Obama.”




The damage however is done. Those who put aside principles and logic to attack Hillary and enable Obama are responsible for Obama and they are the ones who must take the bullet for the Obamination America faces today.

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115 thoughts on “Bullets Fly In The Democratic Civil War

  1. Tony Blankley on Hillary running for President:

    http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/10/hillary-in-2012/?feat=home_commentary

    it struck me that the Democratic Party’s potential aspirants really are already down to two: Obviously the president will be one of them – and if things aren’t going so well for him by the spring of 2011, his only plausible challenger would be Hillary Clinton.

    She made a recent obligatory denial of interest in running for president, but such denials are not taken seriously. After all, both the current president and the previous Democratic president flatly denied any intention of running, yet cheerfully turned up to take their oaths of office promptly thereafter.

    And, while only God knows what will happen to America in the next year-and-a-half (and He hasn’t told me), it is not implausible that by 2012 the Democratic Party may see Hillary Clinton’s nomination as their best chance for keeping the White House.

    Of course, if the economy comes booming back, unemployment is cut in half and there are no foreign policy disasters, Mr. Obama will surely get an unopposed nomination and probably his re-election. But if current estimates are right that unemployment may still be close to double digits at the end of next year – and particularly if foreign affairs goes badly – Hillary just might be the one.

    It seems odd that a failed foreign policy might be the basis for a president’s secretary of state to replace him on the presidential ticket – but it is beginning to set up that way.

    Of course, as secretary of state, Mrs. Clinton cannot plausibly be assigned any responsibility for a bad economy and high unemployment. Nor, perhaps ironically, would her fingerprints be on a stunningly unpopular health care plan that: (1) increases the national debt by trillions, (2) increases the cost of health care premiums for the middle class, (3) increases taxes on the middle class, while also (4) reducing the benefits to the middle class.

    Nor, curiously, is she likely to be seen as responsible for the Obama administration’s foreign policy. It has repeatedly been reported in major newspapers that she is one of the most marginalized secretaries of state in modern times. The White House has made little effort to disabuse the press and the public of that view. She was not even included in the president’s Moscow Summit. She is seen as the good soldier and team player with little voice in policy.

    It isn’t forgotten that foreign affairs were the major policy disputes between Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama during the primary. She accused Mr. Obama of “being naive” about agreeing to unconditional meetings with leaders of Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, Syria and Cuba. She was – and is – a strong supporter of Israel, and, during the campaign was opposed to forcing Israel to freeze West Bank settlements unconditionally.

  2. “We expect Hillary to continue to bide her time and continue to be a “team player” but we cannot wait for the day she breaks out of her gilded cage and tells the truth.”

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    Excellent article!

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    & “Of course, as secretary of state, Mrs. Clinton cannot plausibly be assigned any responsibility”

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    Bingo!

  3. “It has repeatedly been reported in major newspapers that she is one of the most marginalized secretaries of state in modern times.”

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    LOL…the feckless media can’t have it both ways.

  4. Could it be, OO will finally have to vote on something controversial, something he will have to explain if he runs again. I smell finally the beginning of a record, a record that will be hard to ignore.

    Admin, thanks for another great article.

  5. Hopium guzzler and pusher Bob Herbert is getting antsy now that the Obama disaster can no longer be hidden:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/opinion/10herbert.html

    Reforming the chaotic and unfair health care system in the U.S. is an important issue. But in terms of pressing national priorities, the most important are the need to find solutions to a catastrophic employment environment that is devastating American families and to end the folly of an 8-year-old war that is both extremely debilitating and ultimately unwinnable.

    We have spent the better part of a year locked in a tedious and unenlightening debate over health care while the jobless rate has steadily surged. It’s now at 10.2 percent. Families struggling with job losses, home foreclosures and personal bankruptcies are falling out of the middle class like fruit through the bottom of a rotten basket. The jobless rate for men 16 years old and over is 11.4 percent. For blacks, it’s a back-breaking 15.7 percent.

    We need to readjust our focus. We’re worried about Kabul when Detroit has gone down for the count.

    I would tell the president that more and more Americans are questioning his priorities, including millions who went to the mat for him in last year’s election. The biggest issue by far for most Americans is employment. The lack of jobs is fueling the nervousness, anxiety and full-blown anger that are becoming increasingly evident in the public at large. [snip]

    I would tell the president that the feeling is widespread that his administration went too far with its bailouts of the financial industry, sending not just a badly needed lifeline but also unwarranted windfalls to the miscreants who nearly wrecked the entire economy. The government got very little in return. The perception now is that Wall Street is doing just fine while working people, whose taxes financed the bailouts, are walking the plank to economic oblivion.

  6. Michelle Obama’s poll numbers slide

    When Michelle Obama moved into the White House, she instantly became one of the most famous first ladies in history, a symbol of racial pride, a victor in the battle of the sexes and the picture of a modern woman, mother and wife.

    But from her days on the campaign trail to her residency in the White House, Obama’s favorability rating has been in flux, from a low of 48 percent in June 2008 to a peak of 72 percent last March to a slide to 61 percent in a recent Gallup Poll.

    That 11-point stumble – some might call it a tumble – seems at odds with the focus of a White House publicity team that is carefully crafting her image and building a decidedly current, wholesome, upbeat brand. But while Obama has broadened the reach of her office, White House observers say that the role and projects she has embraced so far are seen by some as disappointingly traditional…

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29347.html

  7. Hopium guzzler and dispenser (who we used to really like) Michael Tomasky is getting antsy now that the Obama disaster cannot be denied:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2009/nov/09/healthcare-bill-house-representatives

    So that makes 41 who won’t support a bill with that language, and up to 64, potentially, who won’t support the bill without that language in what is now being called the “coathanger amendment” (64 Democrats voted for Stupak). [snip]

    But I’m starting to wish this whole healthcare thing … well, I don’t want it to go away, I guess. But it’s pretty obviously not a political winner, and it’s not going to be a very strong bill in policy terms.

    I’ve said before that I thought it was a mistake for the administration to push this in year one, and I’ll say it again. It was a mistake for the administration to push this in year one.

    The real culprit is our legislative system, and how the current political context in this country distorts it. I’ll explain more about this tomorrow or Wednesday. But yeah, Obama and his team took on too much here.

  8. Just on Fox Business, there was a guy on there saying that the small business owners are asking him WHY is the govt. trying to ruin their businesses!

    The stupidos voted him in, HE IS PUTTING IN THE ONE WORLD GOVT. by SHOCK THERAPY and its right on schedule according to George Soros.

    Stock market up, gold extremely high, dollar losing ground more everyday. BTW, India traded a whole bunch of dollars for gold the other day. This is coming and it won’t be long now.

    Anybody else wonder why they put up a complete enclosure where the President will speak in Fort Hood today??? It almost looked like a Berlin Wall around the area!

  9. Hillary great on Charlie Rose last night..she is wearing navy blue quite often and with her hair blonde, looks very beautifulo imo. Disappointed Bill is helping Obie today by meeting with Dem senators to push health reform….Obama has used the Clintons health plan tp to point to everything wrong in the 90’s, and now seeks to stake out a claim in history and has never once thnaked Bill or Hillry for the battles they had to endure for him to even get to this point.
    Lastly, I finalkly saw that worm David Plouffe on Greta last night..his hatred for Hillary is barely hidden..how a little dweeb like that out fxed the Clintons is truly amazing .

  10. Watched Good Morning American today. They did a segment on how the credit card industry is changing. Let me see if I have this right. The ordinary taxpayer bailed them out, and now they are going to restrict credit, and put into place various other policies so that they do not lose their Excutive Bonuses.

    YES, we bailed them out, and now we will pay AGAIN. What gratitude, and patriotism they are showing. Of course they will lick the Bxtt of the administration.

  11. They are putting cargo containers three high around the area that the President will speak. Could it be that they need extra cover for the President from the “enemy from within”? He is blocking vital information linking Husan to the 9/11 terrorists. He is afraid of the backlash or that is the excuse he is using. You can find this information at the Obama file>

  12. NMF, Its just horrible how they are screwing the taxpayer. Next thing you know they will bring back debtor’s prison.

  13. On a happy note, judicial assistant called my office a few minutes ago, and I won my bench trial….the Broward county legal world is currently reeling from the scandal down here involving a very prominent atty…

  14. admin, I have been scanning a couple of lefty blogs and the absence of outrage at Stupak amendment and the House bill passing is glaring. They are analytical and highly defensive. What the f*ck are they thinking? But the word on the street from Dimocrats starting with the one in the WH is “keep the status quo” and the fact that they didn’t realize it before voting is mind boggling. Even Bush and the repubs didn’t go this far and the Dimocrats are so fucking clueless that the repubs accomplished their goal with Stupak and other Dimocrats. I would be ROFL at the coup the repubs pulled off without much effort really (I don’t think even they thought it would be this easy) if it was not so outrageous. But the lefty boobs and clowns (I like how you come up with these names) own the biggest of clowns sitting in the WH. He assured that the final bill will betray none — what a laugh, a Dem WH with a Dem majority and they don’t know how to milk it, pathetic, pathetic.

  15. There should be some kind of a historical marker to show that a woman Democratic speaker passed a healthcare bill that went far beyond any Republican in undermining women’s rights (to the point of making Roe vs. Wade irrelevant!!).

  16. Tuesday, November 10, 2009

    Syria: Give us the Golan, or face more terror

    Syrian President Bashar Assad on Monday warned that if Israel does not negotiate away the Golan Heights, his nation may turn to more violent methods of reclaiming the territory it once controlled.

    Speaking at an Islamic economic summit in Istanbul, Assad claimed to still want to reach a peace agreement with Israel, but said that if such an agreement is not based on Israel full surrender of the Golan, then “resistance” is an option he is seriously considering.

    It was not the first time Assad has threatened war should Israel not meet his precondition for peace talks by guaranteeing a full Israeli pullout from the Golan.

    Israel captured the Golan during the 1967 Six Day War after Syria had used it during the previous 19 years as a launching pad for repeated invasions of and attacks on the Jewish state. In the run-up to the Six Day War, the Syrian army had massed on the Golan in preparation for yet another invasion.

    In 1982, Israel officially annexed the Golan returning the territory to the lands originally promised to the Jews by League of Nations, the forerunner to the UN.

    http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=19935

  17. Always a gentleman…

    Bill Clinton on the Berlin Wall and Why We Owe George H.W. Bush Thanks

    November 09, 2009
    By Mary Kate Cary, Thomas Jefferson Street blog

    Today is the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall, and I thought you might enjoy President Bill Clinton’s take on what happened on November 9, 1989. He and President George H.W. Bush were both honored a few weeks ago by The International Crisis Group at a dinner in New York City. Lauren Bush stood in for her grandfather, and here’s what 42 had to say, both about 41 and 43:

    Lauren, thank you for coming for your grandfather. I love him very much and we have had the time of our lives in our dotage doing the work we’ve done in the tsunami, for Katrina. I can’t tell you how much I admire him.

    And I want to emphasize something that means a lot to me and that made my job as President much easier. When the Berlin Wall fell, it was the product of nearly a half century of bipartisan American determination to protect the freedom of Western Europe and to stand up for our values. You can argue that not every call we made was right, but in the end I think we were on the right side of history. But whenever some momentous event like that happens, the question is always “Then what?”

    George Bush made two important decisions that were of profound importance. The first was to support the democratic emergence of Boris Yeltsin as president of Russia and to try to develop a positive relationship with a new Russia that would be less aggressive toward its neighbors and to try to help them avoid the worst of the humiliations that were inevitably going to come from the collapse of its political and military and economic strength all at once. And that was a policy I embraced eagerly and worked hard to develop. My first meeting as President with a foreign leader was with Boris Yeltsin in Canada and we put together a $24 billion dollar aid package when we had a huge deficit and everyone thought I’d lost my mind. But it was clearly the right decision.

    The second thing President Bush did was to support the person I hope someday will get the credit for being the most important European in the latter half of the twentieth century, the Chancellor of Germany, Helmut Kohl. And three decisions he made: one was to support the reunification of Germany, the second was to support the European Union so that Germany would be surrounded by its political allies and would never again be an aggressive force, and the third was to be the best friend Russia ever had as long as Russia was non-aggressive and was interested in being a good partner. Those two decisions were pivotal.

    You know the second President Bush got made fun of for saying that the President was basically the Decider in Chief. Everybody thought that was funny. But it’s not, it’s true. And George H.W. Bush made those two decisions right and the rest of us are in his debt. And he made my job much, much easier. So I thank you for honoring him.

    http://www.usnews.com/blogs/mary-kate-cary/2009/11/09/bill-clinton-on-the-berlin-wall-and-why-we-owe-george-hw-bush-thanks.html

  18. Thanks JanH,,,,as for assad, a spineless worm . Israel will never give back Golan..it would be tantomount to suicide…just like any attempt by Syria to recaputre it (see Israeli response to their reactor).

  19. The House vote strictly along party lines (forget about that jackass in La) is a pyric victory for the dims. As more details of this bill emerge it will give the other party alot to run on, or perhaps a better word would be against. Meanwhile, the Fort Hood massacre will be linked to terrorism, and all the boob in the white house can do is lecture us to not jump to conclusions like he did with the Cambridge Cop. Another BO do as I say not as I do moment brought to you by that master of disguises George Soros. When the chips are down, you can count on Obama to fold. Even with the troop request which is simple and straightforward he has to pretend to be Solomon and divide the baby. What strikes me most about him however is his absence of charity and compassion. He is like the noveau riche more interested in showing friends his toys and gladhandling than doing anything constructive. When will the country learn he is not a problem solver only a schmoozer. Put this in a business context, call it a turn around problem, who do you want to lead the initiative–a problemsolver like or a messianic know nothing like you know who? If you read the literature on the subject you find the problem with the charismatic leadership style is when it becomes egocentric and self centered then it creates a cult and warps the minds of its followers. Well . . . .

  20. wbboei, House bill passing may not mean much in the final analysis but we can’t let Pelosi off the hook for selling women out.

  21. November 10, 2009

    Dunn to Step Down as White House Communications Director

    Anita Dunn, the White House’s veteran communications director, will be stepping down from her post at the end of November, turning the reins to Dan Pfeiffer, currently the deputy communications director.

    In an interview, Dunn said she will stay on in a consulting role, but her communications director title was always meant to be temporary. The first communications director, Ellen Moran, stepped down in April to become chief of staff at the Commerce Department.

    Dunn made waves when she publicly decried Fox News as a partisan outfit that would not get cooperation from the White House. That touched off what prognosticators called a war between the cable news channel and the Obama administration.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/11/10/dunn-to-step-down-as-white-house-communications-director/

  22. I just called Barbara Boxer’s office to express my outrage over the Stupak amendment. Also, Dems are lining up in support of having this terrible amendment in the bill. Nelson and Reid are the first ones that come to mind. If the senate passes a bill with this amendment in it, there is truly no difference between the dims and repugs. I will not vote for Boxer, if she votes for a bill with this amendment in it. Health insurance reform is in the process of being passed on the backs of the infirm, elderly, and women. I am so disgusted, I could scream.

  23. And as for Pelousy, there are no words to express the disservice that she did to women. She disregarded the constitution and the stated separation of church and state, when she allowed the catholic bishops to bless the bill. Now, they are empowered and are working on the senators that are pro-life, Nelson and Casey come to mind. I am screaming inside.

  24. Nov. 10, 2009

    Dodd unveils bank reform bill without GOP support

    Legislation would limit the Fed’s scope to setting monetary policy

    By Ronald D. Orol, MarketWatch

    WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd unveiled Tuesday a long-anticipated package of bank-reform measures, legislation designed to shore up deficiencies that came to light in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis.

    Running 1,136 pages long, the bill includes provisions to create a consolidated bank regulator, limit the fallout if a bank deemed “too big to fail” collapses, and set up a consumer-protection agency to oversee mortgages and credit cards. It would also give the Federal Reserve a considerably smaller role in banking oversight.

    Republicans in the Senate aren’t offering any backing for Dodd’s legislation.

    “We must restore responsibility and accountability in our financial system to give Americans confidence that there is a system in place that works for and protects them,” said Dodd, D-Conn., in a statement. “We must create a sound foundation to grow the economy and create jobs.”

    Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., has already begun to work on a similar bill in his capacity as chief of the House Financial Services Committee. The legislation has been widely discussed and last week came in for criticism.
    Frank expects that the House panel’s version of legislation will come to a vote later this year, while Dodd doesn’t expect to finish consideration of his version until next year.

    Dodd and Frank have been closely coordinating their efforts. Many aspects of their respective bills are the same, particularly regarding regulation of hedge funds, private equity, credit-rating agencies, executive compensation and derivatives.

    However, there are some major differences. Both pieces of legislation also depart in some key sections from a White House proposal on bank reform. For one thing, Dodd would require too-big-to-fail institutions to issue long-term hybrid debt securities that would be available during an economic crisis. In this way, big banks could provide themselves with “life support” capital and avert a collapse that would hamper the financial system.

    Frank would require large banks with $10 billion in assets to pay fees in advance into a special insurance fund that would cover the cost of safely dismantling an insolvent too-big-to-fail bank.

    Meanwhile, Dodd’s bill would have taxpayers first pay to cover costs of unwinding a large financial institution so that the failure would not negatively affect the markets; those funds would later be recouped from large banks.

    The goal is to make funds available so that creditors, debtholders and counterparties don’t collapse as well.

    Consolidated bank regulator?

    Dodd’s also proposing a consolidated bank regulator combining all federal bank overseers, including the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. This, he contends, would eliminate “charter shopping” — the process by which banks seek the regulator with the lowest standards to register with and pay fees to. The Dodd bill would also remove the Fed’s bank oversight responsibility and its role of completing on-site exams of banks and place that responsibility with a new agency.

    “The Federal Reserve will focus on monetary policy without being distracted by responsibilities for bank oversight and consumer protection,” according to a summary of Dodd’s legislation.

    Frank argues that such an entity would be impossible to create and would impose unnecessary burdens on smaller state-chartered banks. Seeking to alleviate such concerns, Dodd’s legislation would create a division within the regulator to oversee community banks. Instead of a consolidated regulator, Frank would combine only two bank regulators — the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and the Office of Thrift Supervision. Frank said he is in discussions with Dodd on the idea of combining the Fed’s responsibility to supervise and complete on-site exams of banks into the larger national regulator.

    The Dodd bill also would prohibit the Fed from injecting funds to prop up an individual solvent bank during a financial crisis. Both Dodd and Frank are considering a provision that would have banks that have adequate collateral to borrow from a Fed liquidity facility.

    Consumer protection

    As with Frank’s legislation, Dodd’s bill would create a Consumer Financial Protection Agency that would write rules for mortgage and credit-card products offered to consumers.

    Both bills would grant the agency strong enforcement power, but Frank’s amended legislation would exempt smaller banks — those with less than $10 billion in capital — from examinations.

    Dodd’s bill would create a five-member board to oversee the agency with a majority vote needed to take action. Frank’s bill, by contrast, would concentrate power in the position of a director named to oversee the agency.

    A House committee approved legislation Wednesday that would impose new regulations on credit-rating agencies — which have been roundly criticized for having issued unrealistically rosy ratings on subprime mortgage-backed securities and other toxic assets.

    Responding to a failure to follow up on key tips provided by a competitor to disgraced investor Bernard Madoff, Dodd’s bill allow investors to sue persons who help commit securities fraud.

    Both Dodd and Frank would require companies that sell securitized products such as mortgage-backed securities, which played a key role contributing to the financial crisis, to retain at least 10% of the credit risk. “That way if the investment doesn’t pan out, the company that made, packaged and sold the investment would lose out right along with the people they sold it to,” according to the summary.

    Both bills also would give investors a say on the pay of executives at large corporations and would grant investors the ability to sue rating agencies for “knowing or reckless” failure to obtain an analysis about the securities from an independent source.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dodd-unveils-bank-reform-bill-without-gop-support-2009-11-10-12100

  25. 11/10/2009

    Clinton arrives in Singapore for Asia tour

    US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton late Tuesday arrived in Singapore on the eve of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) ministerial meeting, an AFP reporter said.

    US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton late Tuesday arrived in Singapore on the eve of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) ministerial meeting, an AFP reporter said.

    Washington’s chief diplomat will then travel to the Philippines on Thursday but return to Singapore on Friday to join US President Barack Obama at the full APEC summit, aides said earlier.

    Clinton and Obama will then travel together in China, which chairs six-party negotiations on North Korea, from November 15-18.

    http://news.malaysia.msn.com/regional/article.aspx?cp-documentid=3698553

  26. Hillary Clinton likely to visit RP typhoon victims’

    11/10/2009

    While she will have just 24 hours in Manila, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will likely try to squeeze in a visit to typhoon victims in her packed schedule, the US ambassador to the Philippines said Tuesday.

    US Ambassador Kristie Ann Kenney said in a radio interview that they are trying to fit in a possible visit to a relief center so Clinton can show her “solidarity” with the victims of recent cyclones “Ondoy” (Ketsana) and “Pepeng” (Parma), which caused massive flooding in portions of Metro Manila, the Ilocos, Cagayan, Central Luzon, Southern Luzon, and Cordillera regions.

    “She wants to show solidarity with the Philippine people in the wake of the storms and typhoons. We are still developing her schedule but we very much expect to include a visit to a relief site so she can get a chance to see how people are doing and see how else we can continue to help our Philippine friends,” Kenney told dzBB radio in an interview.

    During the recent cyclones that hit the Philippines, hundreds of US troops helped in the rescue and relief efforts. In Ondoy and Pepeng’s aftermath, Philippine officials asked US troops, who were in the country for an annual military exercise, to help with relief operations. About 700 US Marines and sailors were on hand to help out.
    The American soldiers assisted the Philippine military in distributing relief goods to calamity-stricken provinces.

    Japan-based American troops also helped in cleanup work in Metro Manila, which experienced the worst flooding in over 40 years after Ondoy dumped record rains on September 26.

    APEC meeting

    Clinton’s visit to the country on Thursday and Friday will come ahead of her trip to Singapore for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) meeting. During her stay in the Philippines, Clinton will also talk with Foreign Affairs Secretary Alberto Romulo and President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo.

    In Tuesday’s interview, Kenny said Clinton would likely discuss other issues such as making global jobs available to people. “I think she’ll be approaching much more in how can we keep working together and how we can use that influence in the region,” Kenney said.

    Other topics that Clinton may take up with Romulo may include global issues like developments in Burma and North Korea, the economy, and “probably” counter-terrorism and climate change. “You know, the issues that affect not only America and the Philippines but our other Asian neighbors as well,” she said.

    Philippine politics

    Kenney said Clinton may also take up Philippine politics, but insisted the Secretary of State will not go into the specifics or endorse any candidate. She said Clinton will likely be more interested in a good election and a good transition of government. “It will be interesting to see how it goes. You cannot possibly be in the Philippines now without being caught up in election fever,” Kenney said.

    “Sec. Clinton does not want to get into specific politics, she’s not going to support any one candidate or interfere in one way but I am sure she’ll be excited to think about a good election coming up how it will be transparent, a good transition between governments,” she added.

    http://www.gmanews.tv/story/176633/hillary-clinton-likely-to-visit-rp-typhoon-victims

  27. It seems to me that they are really trying to keep Hillary out of the country. She gets home for 3 days and she out there again. THe jackass is on constant vacation to Camp David and such. I wonder how many times a day he breaks for hoops? He was always stopping on the campaign sometimes up to nine times. I can understand stopping 5 times a day since he has to face Mecca and get out his prayer blanket, this takes time, then another 3 to 4 times to hit the hoops so he can meld into the black culture in America.

  28. AmericanGal
    November 10th, 2009 at 7:38 am

    Sorry, Hillary Dissed the Tea Party movement and I can not abide by that. It was a disgusting statement by her.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Now, they are empowered and are working on the senators that are pro-life, Nelson and Casey come to mind. I am screaming inside.

    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Sorry, Bill is pressuring them also. VERY DISAPPOINTED, in both of them.

  29. gonzo,

    What do you think would happen to Bill and Hillary if they stopped being team players. Would the dims destroy them? Would the media attack them even more ferociously than before?

    I don’t take issue with him speaking up for health care.

    This is the first I heard that Hillary “dissed” the Tea Party movement. And if she did, I wonder if it was because of an isolated incident or extremists in the movement who have gone too far.

  30. From BP…I can not believe the Army did nothing …
    watch…

    oy, Hasan’s powerpoint presentation! see slides 11-13 and 48-50…and he was supposed to discuss a medical topic, but chose to lecture on Islam and “suicide bombers and threats the military could encounter from Muslims conflicted about fighting wars in Muslim countries”? …and the Army was still afraid to discharge him?!! are they really serious?

    http://tinyurl.com/ybrrvzy

    Hasan’s powerpoint presentation

  31. Jan

    See the previous post and what she said in her interview. I think we can agree she is smart woman, she did not have to say what she did and belittle those of us that participate in the movement. It was degrading and dismissive. Something I expect from the Fraud and co, not the Clinton’s. I expect them to stand for America first.

  32. This is the first I heard that Hillary “dissed” the Tea Party movement. And if she did, I wonder if it was because of an isolated incident or extremists in the movement who have gone too far.
    **********************

    Really? Yes, we are home grown terrorists, I forgot!

  33. GonzoTx, we understand the anger but let’s wait until we hear what Bill says. Bill is no dope and sometimes does things right up in public with everyone watching and listening but only few understand what he is actually doing (sometimes people make things up, such as the “racist” remarks in South Carolina that were not).

    For instance… Bill campaigned for Corzine in New Jersey and his pitch was that the election was a referendum on Obama. That was not what the Obama B.O.T.s wanted to hear and Bill might have known that the race was Christie’s to lose. That appearance by Bill, helped Bill, hurt Obama and did not hurt Corzine (possibly helped).

    Here’s the story dated November 3, 2009:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/02/AR2009110202873_2.html?sid=ST2009110403709

    Obama aides have been so determined to protect their boss from referendum fever that they began leaking accusations a couple of weeks ago that Creigh Deeds, the Democratic gubernatorial candidate in Virginia, was in bad shape because he had ignored the White House’s advice. [snip]

    But it’s hard to distance the president from the candidates when he has made appearances for Deeds and for Gov. Jon Corzine in New Jersey; Vice President Biden was in New York on Monday making an appearance for Democratic congressional candidate Bill Owens. In New Jersey, Corzine and the Democrats have borrowed Obama’s “Yes We Can” slogan, and Corzine has told voters that “President Obama needs us.” Former president Bill Clinton, apparently straying from the White House line, even used the R-word in a fundraising appeal for Owens: “With the world watching, this race will be seen as a referendum on President Obama’s agenda.

    Let’s wait to hear what Bill says. If Bill does a rah-rah speech but spends time to mention how many Democrats lost in 1994 or how the Senators need to be “courageous” and not worry about their elections – then Bill is sending a sly subtle message to the Senators (because everyone knows they have no courage and basically just think about how to win reelection.)

    And Hillary speaking from Berlin and answering a question by Brokow is doing the bare minimum required of a “team player”.

  34. gonzo?

    Did I say you were an extremist? Did I say you were a homegrown terrorist? Are you telling me that every single tea party participant is pure as the driven snow when it comes to motives?

    If so I apologize, my memory must be really going on me.

  35. Admin

    And Hillary speaking from Berlin and answering a question by Brokow is doing the bare minimum required of a “team player”.
    ******************

    I agree on most of what you said, especially Bill, he is very adept at this subliminal message stuff, but she DID NOT need to go there. It remains in very poor taste in my mind. She is way too smart to have said what she said lightly.

  36. JanH
    November 10th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    But your using it as an excuse to paint a broad stroke to justify what she said. In my mind it is just like Botoxnan, Janet Napalitino and others of the Aministration marginalizing the American middleclass that does not support these policies. I am tired of it.

  37. You all know i love Hillary, but these are the kind of comments she makes that cause me to pause. Maybe she needs some sleep, or I do.

    Ace
    *************

    November 10, 2009
    Polls, Polls, Polls: Snowe In Trouble in Maine; Obama Hurt Deeds; ObamaCare Slips Eleven Points (!) in Gallup
    —Ace
    Rounding up the polls that were already rounded up at Hot Air:

    46% of Maine GOPers disapprove of Olympia Snowe, while only 40% support her. And 59% of Maine GOPers would chose a “more conservative alternative” in a primary contest. Only 31% would stick with Snowe.

    The PPP poll blog speculates that if Snowe is to continue in office, she’ll have to do so as an Independent.

    For those who can’t get enough of the “shoot the RINOs” stuff: Yeah, I happen to agree, this is a low-cost, high-possible-reward situation where, indeed, conservatives should get behind and support a challenger to Snowe, and not really care too much if she (predictably) leaves the party. She’s simply not doing enough for the party on any issue.

    Fact I wasn’t aware of: 68% of Maine GOPers consider themselves “conservative,” and among that majority, 56% disapprove of Snowe.

    A pollster finds that Obama did in fact hurt Deeds in Virginia– a majority of voters there agreed with the idea it was important to put a “check” on Obama by electing a governor from the opposing party.

    Voters opted for the check and balance by a 55%-35% margin. Independents (who voted for Obama by one point in 2008 in Virginia) opted for a check and balance by an overwhelming 58%-25% margin. Throughout our tracking, we regularly found open-ended comments from Independent voters saying they wanted to balance the overwhelming power that the Democrats have in Washington. Given the absolute power the Dems have in DC, that is a very strong message for GOPers running in 2010.
    We tested the impact of the Obama endorsement — 24% said they were more likely to vote for Deeds, while 32% were less likely. The minus eight increment on that can not be encouraging to the White House.

    Finally, we tested a simple agree/disagree: “Creigh Deeds’ policies are too close to the policies of President Barack Obama.” Fully 52% agreed and only 30% disagreed. By intensity, 30% strongly agreed and only 9% strongly disagreed. Revisionists on the left are blaming Deeds for not embracing Obama enough, but Virginia voters did not agree. Among Independents, it was 52% agree/28% disagree.

    Meanwhile, President Prissypants is unable to sell his abortion to the public. The percentage of those who would urge their representative to vote for ObamaCare is down 11 points in a month.

    Allah focuses on that particular question, which doesn’t include leaners (leaners get reprompted and asked, “Come on, stop dicking around and give me an answer, you douche.”). With and without leaners:

    The leaners have backed away from supporting Obama care to opposing it — a 15 point net swing (support -8, oppose +7) in a month.

    That said, it has always been my belief (shared by Dick Morris, who recently said the exact same thing) that only when opposition gets to 60% is ObamaCare definitely beaten. Any lower than that and there is a good chance that Democrats will ram it through anyway, on the theories that 1, it’s better to pass something unpopular than to pass nothing, and 2, it is easier to beg for forgiveness than to receive permission, and 3, this is a once-in-history chance to remake the US economy into a socialist one, and that’s worth losing some seats over.

    As a cynical commenter pointed out: There will be plenty of job opportunities for socialist bureaucrats in the Post-Obama age, so Democrats losing their seats will know they have a lucrative future in wealth redistribution.

  38. gonzo,

    Please don’t put words in my mouth. It wasn’t an excuse and it wasn’t a broad stroke. I was simply not willing to accept anything without know the whole story. Since I still don’t know, I’m not going to prejudge.

    I’m sorry if you disagree, but this is how I feel.

  39. Obama will keep Medicare cuts permanent, by veto


    h/ no w
    abcnews.go.com/Politics/abc-news-exclusive-obama-jobs-health-care-ft/story?id=9033559

    “Are you willing to pledge that whatever cuts in Medicare are being made to fund health insurance, one third of it, that you will veto anything that tries to undo that?” Tapper asked.

    “Yes,” the president said. “I actually have said that it is important for us to make sure this thing is deficit neutral, without tricks.”

  40. Too bad so many billions have gone to Wall Street. Think how much health care those billions could provide. But, no, health insurance reform is a bailout for the health insurance industry, on the backs of the infirm, elderly, and women. This administration really does seem to have its priorities mixed up, at least in regards, for helping the American public.

  41. Former president Clinton on health care: ‘The worst thing to do is nothing’

    Former president Bill Clinton delivered a pep talk on Capitol Hill today to Senate Democrats, urging them to enact health care legislation this year.

    Making a rare visit to Capitol Hill just days after the House enacted health reform legislation, Clinton appeared before the weekly luncheon meeting of the Democratic caucus. His message to the senators: “It’s not important that the bill be perfect. It’s important to act now, to start the ball rolling,” Clinton told reporters afterward. “The worst thing to do is nothing.”

    Clinton was the last president to try and fail to enact a sweeping health care reform bill. Collapse of the plan that he and his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, tried to advance in 1993 was widely credited with the Democrats’ losing control of the House and Senate the following year.

    Some Democrats said Clinton’s experience made him the perfect messenger as Democrats face what are likely to be tough votes on a controversial bill. “He told us we are on the edge of history and to get the job done,” said Sen. Paul Kirk, D-Mass.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said senators will begin debating health care legislation when they return from their Thanksgiving recess. But he has yet to unveil the bill that they will be debating. Reid is waiting to hear from the Congressional Budget Office on how much his proposal will cost.

    http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2009/11/former-president-clinton-on-health-care-the-worst-thing-to-do-is-nothing.html

  42. Bill and HIllary are very good at remembering who will hear their words: the mindless who pay attention only to headlines and to soundbytes. Those people do not know what is wrong with the ‘HC’ bill and don’t want to know. So Bill and Hillary have to appear to be supporting what appears to be a HC bill.

    Also, there’s a possibility that Hillary may simply be right in saying that though it doesn’t “have everything that everyone wants” it’s still a starting point.

    Personally I think such laws usually get worse in later tinkering, but I might be wrong, in this case anyway.

    Remember Bill and HIllary supported the DOMA of the 90s — to spike GOP efforts at something much worse. Maybe now they are seeing a strategy where some damage is inevitible and letting the immediate thing go through (HC, cf DOMA) will have some mitigating effect in future.

    Giving Obama enough rope to hang himself? If a lot of voters really do feel a bad pinch immediately from this HC, that might help get rid of Obama.

  43. Bottom line, she chose to be his SOS and by and large her policies are closer to his than the differences. I support her, whgile reserving the3 roight to be disappointed at times in her words/actions. Overall, she has tried to distance herself from his domestic agenda, but perhaps Bill and Hillary, erroneoulsy imo, view this HC bill as vindication. I do know for sure Hillary can’t be happy with how iut through women’s reproductive rights under the bus.

  44. jbstonesfan
    November 10th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
    ————————————————–

    Hillary was right, when she said that BO wouldn’t fight for abortion rights. Look what has happened. She would not have tolerated this.

  45. turndownobama
    November 10th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
    … Giving Obama enough rope to hang himself? If a lot of voters really do feel a bad pinch immediately from this HC, that might help get rid of Obama.
    ———————————————————————–
    Good points, Turndownobama. This is the way I most often interpret B’s and H’s remarks … the ones which get their fans’ knickers in a twist when said fans don’t get the “subliminal” message.

    Also, you know, we are not walking their tightrope. No matter how astute and politically savvy we might think we are, we ain’t. A little humility is a great learning tool.

    As for women bring trampled by the Dims, with tongue in cheek, I’d like to remind women of a particularly powerful tactic which has never been tried except in fiction. I call it the Lysistrata pledge.

    From Wikipedia:
    Lysistrata (Attic Greek: Λυσιστράτα, “Army-disbander”) is one of the few surviving plays written by the master of Old Comedy, Aristophanes. Originally performed in classical Athens in 411 BC, it is a comic account of one woman’s extraordinary mission to end The Peloponnesian War. Lysistrata convinces the women of Greece to withhold sexual privileges from their husbands as a means of forcing the men to negotiate peace, a strategy however that inflames the battle between the sexes. The play is notable for its exposé of sexual relations in a male-dominated society

  46. Nov 10, 2009

    Former President To Speak To Delaware Democrats

    WILMINGTON, Del. (AP) ― Former president Bill Clinton is to be the featured speaker at the Delaware Democratic Party’s annual Jefferson-Jackson dinner.

    Clinton is scheduled to speak Tuesday evening to a sold-out gathering at the Chase Center in Wilmington.

    The former president’s visit comes at Delaware Democrats are trying to take back the state’s lone U.S. House seat, which has been held by Republican Mike Castle for more than 16 years.

    Castle announced last month that he is giving up the House seat to run for the Senate seat vacated by Democrat Joe Biden after being elected-vice president.

    Biden’s son, Delaware attorney general Beau Biden, is considering seeking the Democratic nomination for his father’s former Senate seat.

    http://wjz.com/wireapnewsmd/Former.president.Clinton.2.1302556.html

  47. I read on another blog that the WH did not fly the flag at half mast until it got so much attention it had to comply. I wonder if that is true, especially since we can fly the Chinese flag at the WH, but unable to fly it for the murder of 13 soldiers by a muslim terrorist.

  48. White House pushes negotiations without preconditions

    November 10, 2009

    WASHINGTON (JTA) — Rahm Emanuel urged Palestinians and Israelis to launch negotiations without preconditions, echoing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s call.

    “All issues should be resolved through negotiations,” said the White House chief of staff, speaking here Tuesday at the Jewish Federations of North America’s General Assembly. “Unilateral actions should be avoided and cannot dictate the outcome.” Emanuel called this “a time of peril but also of opportunity.”

    Netanyahu has called for negotiations without preconditions, but Palestinian leaders say they will not negotiate without a full Israeli settlement freeze.

    Emanuel spoke Tuesday in place of President Obama, who canceled his planned GA appearance to attend a memorial service for the victims of the shooting at Fort Hood, Texas.

    On Monday, Netanyhau in his GA address called for the immediate resumption of peace talks with the Palestinians.
    “Let us seize the moment to reach an historic agreement; let us begin talks immediately,” Netanyahu said, appealing to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

    Netanyahu chided the Palestinians for turning aside what he and the Obama administration have suggested is an “unprecedented” offer to freeze some settlement construction while allowing for “natural growth” and building in Jerusalem. “No Israeli government has been so willing to restrain settlement activity,” he said.

    Netanyahu did not mention earlier Israeli preconditions, including leaving off the table for now Jerusalem and refugee issues, and a refusal to deal with Hamas, the terrorist group in control in the Gaza Strip. He also lavished praise on Obama, who sustains strong support among American Jews but is unpopular in Israel. The Israeli prime minister thanked Obama for opposing efforts in the United Nations to advance the Goldstone report, which accuses Israel of war crimes during last winter’s Gaza war, for sustaining the U.S.-Israel security relationship, and for leading international efforts to stop Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.

    Obama and Netanyahu met behind closed doors in the White House on Monday evening. Emanuel said Tuesday that the meeting was “very positive” and that he was “absolutely confident that Prime Minister Netanyahu understands completely the strategic importance of moving this peace process forward.” Emanuel defended the administration from those who he said have portrayed attempts to open dialogue with the Arab world as showing a diminished level of support for Israel, or come at Israel’s expense.

    “That is not the intent and that is not the case and never will be,” Emanuel said. “It is only through dialogue that we can achieve the lasting peace Israel seeks.” He also denied that the administration had singled out Israel for criticism on settlements, saying that the administration’s position was consistent with those of previous administrations on the issue, as well as with the “road map” peace plan. “No one should allow the issue of settlements to distract from the overarching goal of lasting peace,” Emanuel said.

    In addition to noting that his son and nephew would be celebrating their bar mitzvahs in Israel this spring, Emanuel also spoke of his family’s roots in Israel and the “privileged point of view” he has had seeing Israel’s “value as a homeland.”

    The chief of staff also touched on domestic issues, saying that last weekend’s vote by the House of Representatives on health care legislation brought the United States “closer than ever to achieving” health care reform. He said the domestic priorities of Obama match with the Jewish Federations of North America’s priorities — “don’t leave our neighbors behind and work for fairness and justice for all.”

    Emanuel’s speech came a day after leaders of the Jewish Federations met with Obama and other top administration officials at the White House. Monday afternoon’s hourlong reception, scheduled after Obama had to cancel his Tuesday speech to the GA, featured short remarks from Obama. Mostly, though, attendees had a chance to talk one on one with the president and White House senior staff.

    Obama, who dropped by for about 30 minutes, said that the Jewish Federations of North America “perform every day of every week selfless acts of tzedakah,” according to a person present at the meeting, and spoke about his experience with Chicago’s Jewish federation. He also made a pitch for health-care reform, talking about the importance of passing it and stating that he could “see the light at the end of the tunnel.” He also said he looked forward to his meeting with Netanyahu that evening.

    White House staff at the meeting included Emanuel; top advisers David Axelrod and Valerie Jarrett; Office of Management and Budget director Peter Orszag; National Security Council staffer Dan Shapiro; Office of White House Public Engagement director Tina Tchen; and White House Jewish outreach officials Susan Scher, who is also chief of staff to Michelle Obama and Danielle Borrin. “We were thankful to have an opportunity to directly discuss a number of our concerns with the administration’s senior team and look forward to continuing to reach out to them in the future to ensure the voice of the Jewish community is heard loud and far in Washington,” Jerry Silverman, president and CEO of the Jewish Federations, said in a statement.

    http://jta.org/news/article/2009/11/10/1009093/emanuel-calls-for-negotiations

  49. I have heard it all now, the bots are saying that Pelousi is Kennedyesqe/the Lioness of the house. Gag me with a stick, pls. she sold women down the river.
    I am beginning to think there is no hope for the bots, they are going down with the ship.

    Obamafile has pist me off, they called Hillary Hildabeast. That’s it I won’t go there anymore, they must be RWN’s. Its getting harder and harder to find anyplace else to go besides here, most are turning out to be full blown right wing crazies.

  50. Confloyd, Pelousy sold women down the river and kow-towed to the catholic church. She needs a refresher on the constitution and the separation of church and state. In fact, the entire congress needs a remedial class in civics and the separation of church and state. They all make me ill. If the Stupak amendment or something similar makes it to the final bill, I will vote against any congress person or senator that votes for it. The dims are no different than the repubs.

  51. “It’s time that women stopped believing that the Democratic Party is always on their side.”

    Marcia Pappas,
    President, NY State NOW

    That is what Big Pink has been saying forever.

  52. gonzo,

    I share your disappointment about BC’s ‘teabagger’ comments.

    I’m also not happy about HRC. Glad I switched to Indy.

  53. confloyd
    November 10th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
    I have heard it all now, the bots are saying that Pelousi is Kennedyesqe/the Lioness of the house. Gag me with a stick, pls. she sold women down the river.

    —————————————————

    Pelousy is Kennedyesqe. They both sold women down the river and betrayed all women.

  54. birdgal, You know yur right, neither one of those two were good for women.

    How did Bill do today in the Senate? DId he sell us too or was he making generalizations??

  55. confloyd
    November 10th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
    ——————————————————

    From what I can gather, he said that a bill had to be passed, even if it was imperfect. Since the meeting was closed door, details are not available.

    Here is an excerpt of an article:

    “”This is an economic imperative,” Clinton told reporters after the closed-door meeting.

    Clinton’s discussion with lawmakers was wide-ranging but boiled down to a couple of key points, according to lawmakers who attended the meeting. He said the opposition is so loud because Democrats are so close to victory.

    Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., said Clinton attempted to settle Democrats’ fears about the boisterous opponents of health care legislation who made themselves known at town hall meetings in August and at a large weekday rally attended by 5,000 or so demonstrators and Republican Congress members at the Capitol last week.

    “The reason the teabaggers are so inflamed is because we are close on health care,” said Whitehouse, paraphrasing Clinton’s argument.

    “The worst thing we can do is nothing,” Clinton told reporters after the meeting. “On the policy, there is no perfect bill.”

    Sen. Ben Cardin, D-Md., said Clinton exhorted senators of the “critical importance that individual senators refrain from laying down markers.”

    The former president mentioned his own attempt in 1993 and 1994 to overhaul health care policy and said that if Democrats can pass a bill, they will be the ones defining whether it is a success. But if they fail to pass anything, Republicans will get to define the failure.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/HealthCare/bill-clinton-pushes-senate-democrats-health-care/story?id=9044652

  56. ever feel like the O admin is trying to shut down free speech – first Fox, then turn in people to WH and now…

    Eric Holder alert: Justice Dept asked for News Sites Visitors Lists and personal info

    Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:35:52 PM by Senator Goldwater

    In a case that raises questions about online journalism and privacy rights, the U.S. Department of Justice sent a formal request to an independent news site ordering it to provide details of all reader visits on a certain day.

    The grand jury subpoena also required the Philadelphia-based Indymedia.us Web site “not to disclose the existence of this request” unless authorized by the Justice Department, a gag order that presents an unusual quandary for any news organization.

    Kristina Clair, a 34-year old Linux administrator living in Philadelphia who provides free server space for Indymedia.us, said she was shocked to receive the Justice Department’s subpoena. (The Independent Media Center is a left-of-center amalgamation of journalists and advocates that – according to their principles of unity and mission statement – work toward “promoting social and economic justice” and “social change.”)

    The subpoena (PDF) from U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison in Indianapolis demanded “all IP traffic to and from http://www.indymedia.us” on June 25, 2008. It instructed Clair to “include IP addresses, times, and any other identifying information,” including e-mail addresses, physical addresses, registered accounts, and Indymedia readers’ Social Security Numbers, bank account numbers, credit card numbers, and so on.

    “I didn’t think anything we were doing was worthy of any (federal) attention,” Clair said in a telephone interview with CBSNews.com on Monday. After talking to other Indymedia volunteers, Clair ended up calling the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco, which represented her at no cost.

    Under long-standing Justice Department guidelines, subpoenas to members of the news media are supposed to receive special treatment. One portion of the guidelines, for instance, says that “no subpoena may be issued to any member of the news media” without “the express authorization of the attorney general” – that would be current attorney general Eric Holder – and subpoenas should be “directed at material information regarding a limited subject matter.”

    Still unclear is what criminal investigation U.S. Attorney Morrison was pursuing. Last Friday, a spokeswoman initially promised a response, but Morrison sent e-mail on Monday evening saying: “We have no comment.” The Justice Department in Washington, D.C. also declined to respond.

    Kevin Bankston, a senior staff attorney at the San Francisco-based Electronic Frontier Foundation, replied to the Justice Department on behalf of his client in a February 2009 letter (PDF) outlining what he described as a series of problems with the subpoena, including that it was not personally served, that a judge-issued court order would be required for the full logs, and that Indymedia did not store logs in the first place.

    Morrison replied in a one-sentence letter saying the subpoena had been withdrawn. Around the same time, according to the EFF, the group had a series of discussions with assistant U.S. attorneys in Morrison’s office who threatened Clair with possible prosecution for obstruction of justice if she disclosed the existence of the already-withdrawn subpoena — claiming it “may endanger someone’s health” and would have a “human cost.”

    Lucy Dalglish, the executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of The Press, said a gag order to a news organization wouldn’t stand up in court: “If you get a subpoena and you’re a journalist, they can’t gag you.”

    Dalglish said that a subpoena being issued and withdrawn is not unprecedented. “I have seen any number of these things withdrawn when counsel for someone who is claiming a reporter’s privilege says, ‘Can you tell me the date you got approval from the attorney general’s office’… I’m willing to chalk this up to bad lawyering on the part of the DOJ, or just not thinking.”

    Making this investigation more mysterious is that Indymedia.us is an aggregation site, meaning articles that appear on it were published somewhere else first, and there’s no hint about what sparked the criminal probe. Clair, the system administrator, says that no IP (Internet Protocol) addresses are recorded for Indymedia.us, and non-IP address logs are kept for a few weeks and then discarded.

    EFF’s Bankston wrote a second letter to the government saying that, if it needed to muzzle Indymedia, it should apply for a gag order under the section of federal law that clearly permits such an order to be issued. Bankston’s plan: To challenge that law on First Amendment grounds.

    But the Justice Department never replied. “This is the first time we’ve seen them try to get the IP address of everyone who visited a particular site,” Bankston said. “That it was a news organization was an additional troubling fact that implicates First Amendment rights.”

    This is not, however, the first time that the Feds have focused on Indymedia — a Web site whose authors sometimes blur the line between journalism, advocacy, and on-the-streets activism. In 2004, the Justice Department sent a grand jury subpoena asking for information about who posted lists of Republican delegates while urging they be given an unwelcome reception at the party’s convention in New York City that year. A Indymedia hosting service in Texas once received a subpoena asking for server logs in relation to an investigation of an attempted murder in Italy.

    Bankston has written a longer description of the exchange of letters with the Justice Department, which he hopes will raise awareness of how others should respond to similar legal demands for Web logs, customer records, and compulsory silence. “Our fear is that this kind of bogus gag order is much more common than one would hope, considering they’re legally baseless,” Bankston says. “We’re telling this story in hopes that more providers will press back and go public when the government demands their silence.”

    freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2383153/posts

  57. Why do i think this is not the only leaking they did to bring people down.

    November 10, 2009

    Remember John Edwards’ famous $400 haircut? It was that story, leaked to Politico back in April of 2007, that helped bring down Edwards as a “man of the people” kind of candidate in his second bid for the White House.

    And where did that tip come from? The Obama campaign.

    Politico’s Ben Smith, who initially reported the “hair apparent” story, writes that David Plouffe, who managed Barack Obama’s race for the White House, fesses up to the Obama campaign’s role in leaking the story:

    I was always interested in candidate Obama’s relationship with the dark(er) political arts and asked him at his first campaign press conference why he’d hired opposition researchers; he responded that they were to check out the candidate himself and to examine high-minded policy questions. That was not, exactly, the whole truth….

    “We did much less of this [opposition research] than other campaigns did,” (Obama Campaign Staffer) Plouffe writes a bit self-servingly, “but there were times we indulged — it was our researchers who found John Edwards’s infamous $400 hair cut expenditures.”

  58. congrats on your bench trial, JBStonesfan…you are not kidding about the scandal and corruption cesspool in Broward…there is always some kind of Florida connection…

    **********************************************************

    Gonzotx, do you have a link to those remarks you said Hillary made about the tea party movement…Hillary usually stands up for freedom of expression and these days, she is staying out of “politics”…she even refused to fall into the ‘hit Palin’ trap…

    on the other hand, Pelosi was the one beating the drum and coming up with every sterotype she could against the tea party people…Nancy is a disgrace, especially as the Speaker of the House…she is so compromised and out of touch…enough to make anyone’s Italian blood go cold…

  59. confloyd
    November 10th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    I read on another blog that the WH did not fly the flag at half mast until it got so much attention it had to comply.

    —————-

    Why am I not surprised? This classless insensitive jerk of a potus was more concerned with protecting the shooter than having the decency to put the victims and their families first.

  60. I read at another blog that today, at Fort Hood, the generals addressed the Squats’ as Mr.s and Mrs and not as Potus and FLOTUS.

    Anyone else read that?

  61. Jan November 10th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    And if she did, I wonder if it was because of an isolated incident or extremists in the movement who have gone too far.
    **********************

    Sorry, I was just reacting to your words..extremists…Fraud and co like to call us (tea party people) that. One could infer, and that is what I did. Have been to several protests and quite frankly, I have not seen anyone I would call an extremist. Lots of Middle class Americans and she did not infer anything but tea party people. In other words, she did not say extremist’s in the tea party…just plain old tea party

  62. The reason the tea baggers are so inflamed is because we are close on health care,” said Whitehouse, paraphrasing Clinton’s argument.
    ***************

    Ah, “Tea Baggers “nice ‘gay’ conotations…before ya all jump on me, i know he was paraphasing Clinton, but the insults continue.

    How about that little million people march this summer on DC. Remember that one Whitehouse?

  63. Stupak amendment

    That’s dead in the water. It was just a shield so conservative Dems could hide behind it, Catholic church would get behind it and we all will pay for everything…

  64. Infamous words (in my own mind)

    SECRETARY CLINTON: You know what, I think Harry and Louise have thought better of what they said 16 years ago. (Laughter.) So I don’t think you’ll see Harry and Louise. You see the tea parties and interrupted town halls, but most Americans over the course of the last 16 years have really understood more about what was at stake in this healthcare debate. It’s not just about those who don’t have insurance. It’s about the quality of your insurance and the cost of your insurance. And for a while, people thought, well, we’ll haggle it through the insurance system itself. But that didn’t work. And so now there’s a readiness that we saw enacted in that close vote in the House, and I think that the senators heard that message.

  65. Hillary at least addressed them as tea parties, and not anti govt. or teabaggers. I am sorry I don’t see what everyone is pist about what she said. I thought she was at the very least was not rude.

  66. thanks, gonzotx…I don’t take Hill’s words as insulting…more as part of her analysis…Pelosi and the dims and their comments are the ones that really bother me…unamerican, immature and uncalled for…

  67. I’m also wondering whether Hillary was referring to the overwhelming “republican” slant that the media has put on the tea parties, i.e. that the majority of participants are indeed republican (whether true or not).

    LOL…not an excuse I promise.

  68. Another vicious attack on Hillary :

    Camille Paglia
    Tuesday, Nov 10, 2009 16:11 PST
    Pelosi’s victory for women
    Sure, her healthcare bill is a mess, but her gritty maneuvering shows her mettle. Plus: Gainsbourg and Gaga
    By Camille Paglia

    Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi scored a giant gain for feminism last weekend. In shoving her controversy-plagued healthcare reform bill to victory by a paper-thin margin, she conclusively demonstrated that a woman can be just as gritty, ruthless and arm-twisting in pursuing her agenda as anyone in the long line of fabled male speakers before her. Even a basic feminist shibboleth like abortion rights became just another card for Pelosi to deal and swap.

    It was a stunningly impressive recovery for someone who seemed to be coming apart at the seams last summer, when a sputtering, rattled Pelosi struggled to deal with the nationwide insurgency of town hall protesters — reputable, concerned citizens whom she outrageously tried to tar as Nazis. Whether or not her bill survives in the Senate is immaterial: Pelosi’s hard-won, trench-warfare win sets a new standard for U.S. women politicians and is certainly well beyond anything the posturing but ineffectual Hillary Clinton has ever achieved.

    As for the actual content of the House healthcare bill, horrors! Where to begin? That there are serious deficiencies and injustices in the U.S. healthcare system has been obvious for decades. To bring the poor and vulnerable into the fold has been a high ideal and an urgent goal for most Democrats. But this rigid, intrusive and grotesquely expensive bill is a nightmare. Holy Hygeia, why can’t my fellow Democrats see that the creation of another huge, inefficient federal bureaucracy would slow and disrupt the delivery of basic healthcare and subject us all to a labyrinthine mass of incompetent, unaccountable petty dictators? Massively expanding the number of healthcare consumers without making due provision for the production of more healthcare providers means that we’re hurtling toward a staggering logjam of de facto rationing. Steel yourself for the deafening screams from the careerist professional class of limousine liberals when they get stranded for hours in the jammed, jostling anterooms of doctors’ offices. They’ll probably try to hire Caribbean nannies as ringers to do the waiting for them.

  69. S
    November 10th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
    thanks, gonzotx…I don’t take Hill’s words as insulting…more as part of her analysis…Pelosi and the dims and their comments are the ones that really bother me…unamerican, immature and uncalled for…
    ————————————————————–
    I really agree with your statement. The real culprits of insults and classless behavior have been Pelousy, Reid, and other dims. Calling people Nazis was so uncalled for and unprofessional that it boggles the mind that so-called leaders would behave in this fashion. Bill and Hillary Clinton have shown and exhibited class through this difficult period of time.

  70. jbstonesfan
    November 10th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
    Another vicious attack on Hillary :

    Camille Paglia

    ————————————————

    Another classless person, who will never be as effective in her life, as Hillary Clinton has been in hers.

  71. #
    JanH wrote:
    November 10th, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    I’m also wondering whether Hillary was referring to the overwhelming “republican” slant that the media has put on the tea parties, i.e. that the majority of participants are indeed republican (whether true or not).
    *************************************

    I went to one of the Tea Party Express events and it was entirely right wing. Anti-health care reform sentiments abounded. If there were any stray PUMAs or Hillary supporters at this event, I did not see them anywhere. I agreed with some of the rhetoric at the Tea Party, but a lot of it made me uncomfortable, such as when one of the speakers declared that America is a “Christian nation.”

    I think the overall Tea Party movement was more centrist/bipartisan in the beginning, but over the past few months it has been pretty much co-opted by uber-conservatives. So I can understand why Hillary wouldn’t be too crazy about it.

    For the record, I am against this health care bill. It needs to be killed dead. However, I am in favor of health care reform in and of itself. I just don’t trust Obama or these clowns in Congress to get it done right– it’s like expecting Laurel & Hardy to move a grand piano up a flight of stairs. You just know that our health care system, like the grand piano, will come crashing down.

  72. 100% correct birdgal….why this person has so much hate towards Hillary (see also Clinton basher Maureen Dowd) can only be explained by a great inferiority complex and deep seated jealousy. Hillary is at about 62% favorable whereas Pelosi is probably below 30%.

  73. Jen the Michigander

    November 10th, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    —————-

    Good to see you posting. Thank you very much for the update on the tea parties. It’s such a shame when something that starts out good ends up being corrupted. I hope not all the events ended up like that.

  74. jbstonesfan: Jealousy has to be the answer for the deep hatred. Nothing else makes much sense. I can’t read Dowd; it is bad for my blood pressure. How anyone can call Hillary Clinton ineffectual is beyond me. Hillary Clinton is not perfect, but what she has accomplished in her life, most people can only dream about.

  75. Nice to see you posting Jen. Have you been watching any of the disappointing skating?

    Thanks for update about the tea parties.

  76. what a joke…Paglia calling Hillary ineffectual…let’s see…Paglia is ‘posturing’ professor and Hillary Clinton’s resume…for starters, one of the most influential lawyers in the country, First Lady of Arkansas for 12 years, First Lady of the USA for 8 years, two term Senator from New York, closest any woman ever got to winning the Presidency (we all know what really happened in the corrupt dim party) and current Secretary of State of the USA…gee, if only Paglia could come close to being as ineffectual as Hillary Clinton…

    …I always like to say, History books will remember Hillary Clinton for all that she accomplished…no one will ever hear of or remember Paglia or Dowd for anything, not even their snarky jealously of HRC…

  77. Camille Paglia has a very tenuous grasp on sanity. Pelosi has zero leadership ability. She is a bureaucrat who simply uses the rules of the system, no differently than Tom Delay. But let us assume arguendo that she had leadership ability, it the bill she provided leadership on is a disaster what does that really say about her leadership. The idea that the means and the ends must be congruent is as old as the Federalist Papers but it does not occur to Paglia. The only thing you can say in her defense is she is smarter than Garbage Skow Dowd who is Paglia lite.

  78. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi scored a giant gain for feminism last weekend (by shoving through a disatrous bill)

    change to read

    Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi scored a giant gain for bad government last weekend (by shoving through a disatrous bill)

  79. 1. Hillary Clinton: World Class Leader

    2. Mr Obama: Classless Boob

    3. Paglia: Deranged Dullard

    4. Gargie Dowd: Demimonde Dumbsit

  80. birdgal wrote:

    Nice to see you posting Jen. Have you been watching any of the disappointing skating?

    Thanks for update about the tea parties.
    ***********************************
    Yawn, I mean, yeah I have been watching the skating. The best performances I have seen so far this year have been on CBC’s “Battle of the Blades” where female pair skaters & ice dancers are teamed up with hockey players. The GP series… Wake me up when it gets interesting.

    I’ve always been lurking here at 44, just haven’t been posting much. Ditto for FSU and just about everywhere else in cyberspace. I post a couple of articles over at Hillary’s World every day, but that’s about it.

    Going back to the tea parties for a moment… I think they’re fine if our goal is to give Bozo and his muppets in Congress a hard time and hopefully undo some of the damage that those BOlsheviks are doing to this country. But the people running the tea party movement will elect another Bush in a heartbeat. Or a Reagan– those right-wingers sure do love to go on and on about what a wonderful president Reagan was. Yeah, Reagan was better than Jimmy Carter and Barky, but that’s not saying much. And I don’t think we need another one.

  81. A nasty meaning has been given to the word ‘teabaggers’ by MSM people with dirty minds. Most people never heard of that meaning!

    Someone might innocently use the word ‘teabaggers’ without meaning any nasty insult.

    ‘Teabaggers’ is really easier to say than ‘tea party people’, and didn’t they use to wear tea bags as pins or on their hats or something? A reasonable and patriotic symbol. Nothing wrong with the term ‘teabagger’ when used by clean-minded people (even if they disagree with the group).

  82. Good hearing from you Jen, and I agree about the tea party etc

    I was out getting some fast food, and there was this young man, with a lot of tatoos, ordering also. He was respectful, and trying to make sure his credit card, which was swipped twice was only charged once, as his money was tight. It turns out that he is a boxer. We talked medical, and he desperately needs some sort of coverage. I don’t like this health care plan, but we need to start taking care of these people who have no plan. You would think that all of those Smart people in Washington could figure this out. Instead I see them figuring out how much profit they can make in this.

    I use to think that public service meant some sacrifice, but I see very little of it in the governming bodies of America today. Even if you screw up and are fired for fraud, all you have to do is write a book and your you and your family make out.

  83. Ooh,uug Paglia is awful. Something crawled down her throat and died because she stinks. The only ineffectual person she knows is herself. SHe is JEALOUS of Miss Hillary. That is what is up most of the women who spout such venom.

    It looked like Hillary really enjoyed giving that speech in Germany and she gave a magnificent one.

    I think the term “teabaggers” mean to me is that they are all old. We do know how the older people in this country is not appreciated by Obama.

    I also agree that the tea parties have infiltrated and taken over by the RWN’s. They were originally Pumas, but now none have a descent word to say about her.

    She is working her arsh off and this Paglia is sitting on a computer writing venomous article about the only hard worker in the whole administration. She is ridiculous and a perfect example of the kind of woman that defeats all accomplishments made by women.

  84. In memory of those brave men and women who gave their lives to fight for a better tomorrow…and in a thank you to those who continue to do so for all of us.

    ——————–

    In Flanders Fields
    by John McCrae, May 1915

    In Flanders fields the poppies blow

    Between the crosses, row on row,
    That mark our place; and in the sky

    The larks, still bravely singing, fly; Scarce heard amid the guns below.

    We are the Dead. Short days ago
    We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,

    Loved and were loved, and now we lie; In Flanders fields.

    Take up our quarrel with the foe:
    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.

    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow

    In Flanders fields.

    ———————-

    Amen.

  85. Clinton stresses US commitment to APEC cooperation

    By Imelda Saad, Channel NewsAsia 11 November 2009

    SINGAPORE: US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton has stressed the Obama administration’s commitment to substantive cooperation with Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) economies. She made this point to the media after a day-long meeting with APEC trade and foreign ministers.

    Mrs Clinton’s arrival in Singapore caps an almost year long engagement process with Southeast Asia under the new Obama administration.

    So when the US commander in chief himself arrives in Singapore this weekend, APEC leaders will be looking out for President Barack Obama to signal his administration’s long-term commitment to the region – even as he grapples with his country’s many internal issues.

    “When President Obama arrives here later this week, he will underscore our view that APEC is an essential forum for engagement and action,” said Mrs Clinton.

    Her meetings with APEC ministers saw discussions that covered North Korea and Myanmar. The US recently started a new policy of engagement with Myanmar’s military leaders. But Mrs Clinton stated that US sanctions on Myanmar will remain until meaningful progress is seen in the country.

    She added that ASEAN as a group can offer support to ensure the elections due by 2010 in Myanmar are fair and credible.

    “If we can encourage the Burmese leadership to meet in dialogue with representatives of various aspects of Burmese society, we hope that that can be encouraged by other nations, by ASEAN and maybe facilitated by ASEAN, because planning for these elections must be a priority,” Mrs Clinton said.

    In an unprecedented move, the US will also meet all 10 ASEAN heads of state at the inaugural US-ASEAN Leaders meeting this Sunday.

    According to observers, the fact that the meeting is taking place – with Myanmar, Cambodia and Laos present – is significant.

    Moreover, ahead of the Copenhagen meeting next month on climate change, Mrs Clinton also outlined some key deliverables that the US is pushing for. These include ensuring any agreements reached are transparent, accountable and involve global action.

    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1017518/1/.html

  86. Clinton urges Myanmar to begin planning 2010 vote

    By David Alexander
    Reuters
    Wednesday, November 11, 2009

    SINGAPORE (Reuters) – Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Wednesday urged Myanmar to begin planning for its 2010 elections and said Southeast Asian nations could play an important role in ensuring the vote is “free, fair and credible.”

    Clinton, speaking at a news conference on the sidelines of the APEC meetings in Singapore, said Washington would like to see the reclusive military-led government of the former Burma begin internal consultations soon about the country’s political future.

    “We’re seeking … a process inside Burma that would inspire a dialogue among all of the stakeholders so that there could be a growing consensus within Burma itself about the way forward,” she said.

    Clinton’s remarks came a week after U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Kurt Campbell traveled to Myanmar on Washington’s highest-level visit to the country in 14 years. The exploratory mission was aimed at explaining the results of a U.S. policy review toward Myanmar. The Obama administration decided in September to pursue deeper engagement with Myanmar to try to spur democratic reforms.

    Clinton said U.S. economic sanctions on Myanmar would remain in place until Washington sees what it believes is “meaningful progress in key areas.” A U.S. State Department official said later that freeing Aung San Suu Kyi, the detained leader of the opposition National League for Democracy, was one necessary step.

    “It would be an essential precondition for the United States to move forward with any … fundamental engagement that would include sanctions lifting with the regime,” the official said on condition of anonymity.

    U.S. officials said they hoped Myanmar’s leaders would begin a dialogue soon with internal groups that have an interest in the country’s political future.

    “That dialogue has to be an open dialogue that includes internal stakeholders,” one State Department official said. “We would very much like to see … not just the handpicked parties of the government, but also the ethnic groups, the NLD and the so-called third-way groups.”

    The official said the United States had begun consultations on Myanmar with India, China, Thailand and other neighboring nations with an interest in Myanmar’s stability. The official said Washington hoped China would encourage Myanmar to launch an internal dialogue. “China has a powerful interest in ensuring Burma remains a stable country,” he said.

    Clinton urged the Association of Southeast Asian Nations to “reach out to the Burmese leadership, persuade them that it is time to start planning for free, fair and credible elections in 2010, 2010 is nearly here, (and) that it would be useful to have validation of those elections.”

    Clinton emphasized that when Myanmar is left alone, it’s problems spill over its borders and affect its neighbors. “We see refugee flows out of Burma, people taking the boat, ending up in Malaysia, ending up in Indonesia, ending up in Australia, crossing the border into Thailand,” she said. “That instability is not good for anyone.”

    “Any country that does business in Burma wants to be sure that their investments and their business are safe and the best way to ensure that is to move toward democracy and the kind of stability that democracy creates,” Clinton said.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/11/AR2009111110172.html

  87. Clinton: US Not ‘dictating Terms’ For Democratic Changes In Myanmar

    11/11/2009

    (RTTNews) – US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Washington is not “setting or dictating any conditions,” in return for Myanmar’s military administration enforcing democratic changes in that South-East Asian country.

    However, she made it clear that US sanctions would continue until a “meaningful process” took place for a significant progress in democracy.

    The top US diplomat was talking Wednesday to reporters on the sidelines of a ministerial meeting at a summit of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) in Singapore.

    She stressed “US is committed to a process to try to encourage and support Burma’s [Myanmar’s] path to democracy.”

    At the same time, she admitted that the US government had “no illusions that any of this will come easy or quick.”

    http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Policy.aspx?Id=1125805

  88. Clinton: Naval Clash Won’t Stop Outreach to North Korea

    By David Gollust
    Singapore
    11 November 2009

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says Tuesday’s naval clash between North and South Korea will not derail plans to send a U.S. envoy to North Korea to try to revive nuclear negotiations. Clinton discussed North Korea diplomacy in meetings with fellow foreign ministers of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum.

    The clash over the disputed sea boundary between the two Koreas left patrol vessels from both sides damaged and inflamed military tensions on the Korean Peninsula.

    But Secretary Clinton says it is not going to halt an Obama administration effort to get the Chinese-sponsored six-party talks in North Korea’s nuclear program going again.

    A U.S. announcement Tuesday that special envoy Stephen Bosworth will visit Pyongyang before the end of the year nearly coincided with reports of the naval skirmish, the first of its kind in several years.

    It prompted urgent consultations between Clinton’s traveling party and officials in Washington and was an issue in the Secretary’s day-long set of meetings at the APEC forum, including a bilateral meeting late Wednesday with Japanese Foreign Minister Katsuya Okada.

    Appealing for restraint at a news conference, Clinton said she was encouraged by the calm reaction to the naval encounter and said plans for the long-anticipated Bosworth mission are going forward.

    “This does not in any way affect our decision to send Ambassador Bosworth,” Clinton said. “We think that is an important step that stands on its own. It is connected to our efforts, along with our six-party partners, to move towards resumption of the six-party process. We think that is critically important. So we are certainly counseling calm and caution.”

    Clinton said Bosworth’s mission to Pyongyang will not be a negotiation but rather an effort to pave the way for North Korea’s return to the six-party process.

    North Korea agreed in principle in 2005 to scrap its nuclear program in return for aid and diplomatic benefits from the other participants, the United States, Russia, Japan, South Korea and host China.

    But negotiations broke down last year over Pyongyang’s refusal to accept a verification plan for the declaration it made of it nuclear holdings and activities.

    Clinton said APEC colleagues supported the decision to send Bosworth, and that while in North Korea he would press for adherence to the terms of the 2005 agreement and its goal of a nuclear-free Korean peninsula.

    http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-11-11-voa6.cfm

  89. I wonder if all these military funerals and Veterans day will have any effect on this anti-american/atheist POTUS??

  90. Thank you Jan H..I often think of that poem on Veterans/Memorial day…brought a tear to my eyes. G=d bless our trrops, both past and present, and pray for their saftey.

  91. MORE ACORN WOES

    From this past Saturday’s NY Times:

    nytimes.com/2009/11/07/us/07acorn.html

    Acorn Offices in New Orleans Are Raided
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    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
    Published: November 6, 2009
    NEW ORLEANS (AP) — State investigators raided Acorn’s offices here on Friday, taking hard drives and documents in an investigation into accusations of embezzlement and tax fraud when the group’s national headquarters was in New Orleans.

    “This is an investigation of everything — Acorn, the national organization, the local organization and all of its affiliated entities,” said David Caldwell, an assistant attorney general.

    A lawyer for Acorn said in a statement that the raid was prompted by accusations that former Acorn employees had removed or altered electronic documents and might do so in the future.

    The lawyer, Pamela Marple, said investigators wanted “virtually every document in the possession of Acorn and any related entity.”

    The raid was the latest in a string of troubles for Acorn. Videotapes released recently showed two people posing as a pimp and a prostitute seeking advice on tax evasion at Acorn offices. The responses given by the Acorn workers in the tapes led Congress and state governments to cut financing for the organization.

    State prosecutors said their investigation into the New Orleans offices stemmed from accusations involving embezzlement at Acorn nearly a decade ago that were made last year by board members.

    Last year, Acorn settled an internal dispute and a lawsuit involving accusations that Dale Rathke, the brother of the group’s founder, Wade Rathke, made about $948,000 in improper credit card charges in 1999 and 2000. The Rathke family and a donor repaid the money, and no criminal charges were ever filed.

    Last month, Louisiana’s attorney general, James D. Caldwell, the father of David Caldwell, said he would investigate accusations that the embezzlement might have been as high as $5 million.

    For 33 years, Acorn’s national headquarters was in New Orleans after Wade Rathke moved there in the 1970s from Little Rock, Ark., where he started the organization. The embezzlement scandal led the organization to move its headquarters to Washington this year, allowing the national organization to distance itself from the Rathkes.

  92. MORE DEM WOES

    Generic Repubs lagged behind Generic Dems in mid-July 2009, 50 – 44%. By mid-October, they were dead even. The straight line trends continue, so Repubs up 48 – 44%.

    Way to go, Dems!

    And hail to the Chief, boldly leading the Dems!

    gallup.com/poll/124226/Republicans-Edge-Ahead-Democrats-2010-Vote.aspx

    PRINCETON, NJ — Republicans have moved ahead of Democrats by 48% to 44% among registered voters in the latest update on Gallup’s generic congressional ballot for the 2010 House elections, after trailing by six points in July and two points last month.

    (go to link to see graph).

  93. MODO FRETS ABOUT BANKS, AND WISHES OBAMA HAD A SPINE…

    But note that on the Tepid Scale of Criticism, this is a 10!!! The most anger she can muster against him is that “Obama has not been strong on the issue”.

    Ooooh, snap.
    Vicious.
    Pitbull journalism.

    “It’s an addiction that Washington has done little to quell. President Obama has not been strong on the issue, and Timothy Geithner coddles the wanton bankers whenever they freak out that they might not be able to put in their new pools next summer.”

    The whole thing is worth a quick scan, but also contains this:

    “No sooner had the Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd announced his plan to overhaul financial regulation Tuesday than compensation experts declared it toothless.”

    nytimes.com/2009/11/11/opinion/11dowd.html?_r=1&ref=opinion

  94. Regarding the tragedy at Ft. Hood, I think it is becoming known that the military sat on info about the killer, going back a couple of years. So the Bush administration, known for its blatant wanton ineptitude, shares part of the blame for not knowing what’s going on with the military.

    Now for Obama’s share…the dude’s been in office for 10 months, almost one quarter of a presidential term. Pawning this off as “Bush’s mistake” doesn’t hold water.

    The charge of ineptitude must be leveled fairly, and in this case, “Who the heck is overseeing the military???”.

  95. sphere.com/2009/11/11/the-point-bill-clinton-to-the-rescue-again/

    The Point: Bill Clinton to the Rescue Again

    (Nov. 11) — Bill Clinton took another step in defining his post-presidential role when he visited Capitol Hill on Tuesday to urge Senate Democrats to pass health care reform.

    As he takes on the mantle of the Democratic Party’s elder statesman, Clinton is also becoming President Barack Obama’s go-to guy when the going gets tough.

    Hillary Rodham Clinton wasn’t offered the vice presidency because Obama didn’t want her husband around all the time, according to a book by the new president’s campaign manager. But in the months since Obama took office, he’s sent Bill Clinton to North Korea to bring home two imprisoned reporters and to Virginia in a futile attempt to hold on to the governor’s seat for Democrats.

    Now, with the signature initiative of Obama’s young presidency on the line, Clinton serves as a living reminder of the consequences of failure to pass health care reform. Remember the history here. In 1993, a young President Clinton tried to overhaul the nation’s health care system — with his wife, who became a lightning rod for critics, leading the way. “Hillarycare” opponents prevailed, and Democrats lost control of Congress the next year.

    So Clinton’s words carry weight with wary Democratic lawmakers. He told senators during their private lunch that passing health care reform isn’t just an important element in reviving the economy, it’s good politics. “The worst thing we can do is nothing,” he said over and over.

    Amid speculation that lawmakers might not be able to do something by the end of the year, Clinton appealed for speedy action, before the 2010 campaign season heats up.

    “It’s not important to be perfect here. It’s important to act, to move, to start the ball rolling,” he told reporters after the meeting, saying any problems can be fixed later through amendments.

    One senator at the luncheon, Rhode Island’s Sheldon Whitehouse, quoted Clinton as saying: “Just pass the bill, even if it’s not exactly what you want. … When you try and fail, the other guys write history.”

    In this case, the “other guys” include Tea Party protesters. Clinton said the reason they’re so fired up about Obama’s health care reform push is “because we’re winning,” according to Whitehouse.

    While conservative commentators may disagree over who’s winning, Hot Air’s Allahpundit called Clinton’s “pass anything now” strategy “a sound one.”

    Blogger Taylor Marsh praised the White House for sending Clinton to use his powers of persuasion on “Blue Dog” Democrats from conservative states who fear a vote for health care reform could cost them their seats. “No one can talk to the Blue Dogs in the Senate like Bubba,” Marsh wrote.

    The Atlantic’s Andrew Sullivan was struck by the unexpected “fusion of the Clinton and Obama brands” that’s taken place in the past year. With Secretary of State Clinton winning praise from some past critics for her foreign policy work and former President Clinton twisting arms for a major domestic initiative, Sullivan said the alliance of one-time rivals “speaks well” for all involved.

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    my two cents…I wish Bill would stay out of this and stick to his Global Initiatives…just stay clear of this disaster in the making…

    Pat over at no quarter had an interesting take on the House bill:

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/10/hr-3926%e2%80%94congressional-graffiti/

    ……………….bottom line…no one knows what the hell they are doing and voting for…but they know enough to put FINES AND THE IRS on the rest of us…

    …no wonder the repubs are beginning to run ahead of the dims in the generic gallup poll.. the dims are becoming little dictators…

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