Nancy Pelousy And Barack Obama Economic Lies

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelousy released her version of a health care, make that health insurance, plan. The plan, to be brief and vulgar, is lousy. Almost without fail, Obama lovers and Big Media (redundant, we know) have failed to discuss this aspect of the much discussed public option:

The public insurance option would typically charge higher premiums than private plans available in the exchange, according to the Congressional Budget Office analysis of the House bill.

That surprising conclusion raises doubts about Democratic promises that a government-run insurance plan would provide a lower-cost alternative to consumers. At the same time, it calls into question Republican charges that the plan amounts to government takeover of health insurance — because only 6 million people would enroll in the plan, according to the CBO.

With the exception of LivePulse, few are discussing this startling result. Here is the Congressional Budget Office analysis (found on page 6).

Roughly one-fifth of the people purchasing coverage through the exchanges would enroll in the public plan, meaning that total enrollment in that plan would be about 6 million.

That estimate of enrollment reflects CBO’s assessment that a public plan paying negotiated rates would attract a broad network of providers but would typically have premiums that are somewhat higher than the average premiums for the private plans in the exchanges. The rates the public plan pays to providers would, on average, probably be comparable to the rates paid by private insurers participating in the exchanges. The public plan would have lower administrative costs than those private plans but would probably engage in less management of utilization by its enrollees and attract a less healthy pool of enrollees. (The effects of that “adverse selection” on the public plan’s premiums would be only partially offset by the “risk adjustment” procedures that would apply to all plans operating in the exchanges.)

Surely “liberals” in the House will revolt? No, not quite. Earlier this year Representative Anthony Weiner voted for the Energy and Commerce Committee bill on health care after threatening to vote against it. There were sufficient votes to block the bill in the Energy Committee. Nancy Pelousy and other House leaders made promises to get votes.

A most crucial promise was that Anthony Weiner would get a vote on an amendment on the House floor for his proposal to establish a single payer system. No surprise that Nancy Pelousy lied. No surprise that “liberals” caved and won’t protest the lies:

Even New York Rep. Anthony Weiner, who received a public assurance from Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) over the summer that he would get a vote on an amendment establishing a single-payer government-run health care program, seemed to take the news in stride that party leaders had reneged on that agreement.

“I wouldn’t be the first person to learn this place isn’t on the level,” Weiner told a crowd of reporters.

No surprise that lies are discounted and Obama excused. We recall Obama’s FISA lies.

Nancy Pelousy is also lying as to cost:

There was a lot of confusion Thursday when the CBO released its cost estimate for the House bill. Democrats had said earlier in the day that the bill would cost $894 billion — just under the $900 billion limit set by President Barack Obama. But in the CBO analysis, there were two price tags: a net cost of $894 billion and a gross cost of just over $1 trillion. Both numbers are correct, but Democrats shifted the terms of the debate and cherry-picked the lower one.

More lies from Nancy Pelousy and her lousy crowd.

And the promises that health care [insurance] reform would lower costs, or as the wonks say “bend the curve”? More lies. It’s all a crock.

Nancy Pelousy had a banner week of lies to top off her lies attacking Hillary in 2008 and in support of Obama. Barack Obama, along with his thugs, had a banner week of lies too.

The noise from Obama this week was “Mission Accomplished” and the new GDP report claimed the recession was over. Not quite. It was steroids. Without government steroids, er, “stimulus”, such as the wasteful “cash for clunkers”, the economy is not well. Christina Romer, at the White House, confirmed the GDP steroid story:

Without stimulus programs such as “cash for clunkers” and a first-time homebuyer’s credit, “real GDP would have risen little, if at all, this past quarter,” Christina Romer, president of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, said in a statement.

There were more Barack Obama lies on jobs and steroids, er, “stimulus”. CBS followed up on the Associated Press report noting the Obama lies on jobs. Let’s go to the videotape.



The original report noted the many Obama lies:

An early progress report on President Barack Obama’s economic recovery plan overstates by thousands the number of jobs created or saved through the stimulus program, a mistake that White House officials promise will be corrected in future reports.

The government’s first accounting of jobs tied to the $787 billion stimulus program claimed more than 30,000 positions paid for with recovery money. But that figure is overstated by least 5,000 jobs, according to an Associated Press review of a sample of stimulus contracts.

The AP review found some counts were more than 10 times as high as the actual number of jobs; some jobs credited to the stimulus program were counted two and sometimes more than four times; and other jobs were credited to stimulus spending when none was produced.

Examples of the Obama lies:

– A company working with the Federal Communications Commission reported that stimulus money paid for 4,231 jobs, when about 1,000 were produced.

– A Georgia community college reported creating 280 jobs with recovery money, but none was created from stimulus spending.

– A Florida child care center said its stimulus money saved 129 jobs but used the money on raises for existing employees.

Obama claimed the “stimulus”, which we rightly called a “slush fund” for Dimocrats reelection efforts next year, would produce 3.5 million jobs. Call the police, the jobs are missing.

While the thousands of overstated jobs represent a tiny sliver of the overall economy, they represent a significant percentage of the initial employment count credited to the stimulus program.

Oh, and the stock market dropped 200 points today.

Happy Halloween!

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85 thoughts on “Nancy Pelousy And Barack Obama Economic Lies

  1. Fifth Dimension posted some videos of Hillary in Pakistan in the previous comments which bear reposting. We’ll add that the questions are good and tough and Hillary answers the questions good and tough, too.

    Fifth Dimension’s comment:

    Here’s a few videos of Hillary at the town hall with university students in Pakistan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoCDrruhdcI&feature=player_embedded

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJe6cH3GsM4&feature=player_embedded

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9YQoAueJkk&feature=player_embedded

  2. We should point out that the 250 point drop in the stock market today was due to what we wrote about.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/business/31markets.html?hp

    By the end of trading, the three major stock averages had more than given up the 2 percent gains they made on Thursday, when enthusiasm over economic growth data sent stocks surging. [snip]

    The drops were led by stocks in banks and financial firms, which investors abandoned in light of a Commerce Department report that showed consumers were still in distress. Consumer spending in September dropped by the largest amount in nine months, the report said, a dreary data point that met Wall Street expectations but reinforced the slow, halting recovery of the United States economy.

    The fall in spending was tied to the end of the government’s cash-for-clunkers program, which gave car buyers thousands of dollars in vouchers for the purchase of new vehicles. Overall spending fell 0.5 percent in September, and personal income levels remained flat in light of higher unemployment rates and decreases in wages.

  3. ‘Call the police, the jobs are missing.’

    ROTF!

    How about, “Call the police, there’s a thief in the Whitehouse?”

  4. Thanks for the clips of Secretary Clinton. This is part of the Q & A session that I was listening to on my way to work yesterday. It is nice to have the visual and to see her speak like the leader that she is.

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    As far as Pelousy and all the congress critters, “Off with their heads” or even better, “Vote them out of office.”

  5. As far as the drop in the stock market, the increases were all smoke and mirrors. There is nothing to build upon.

  6. just letting you all know I am still here…I have been running around lately taking care of biz, but am keeping up and catching up with posts and comments…great work as usual…

  7. Admin, great article. I see the lies continued today while the stock market drops. Happy Halloween!

    I hope everyone watched Glenn Beck today as he had on Lord Mockton and our all time favorite John BOlton (barf), but it was interesting as they discussed the Kyoto Protocol. Bolton being one of the “One World Govt.” people blew Lord Mockton off, but he had some very interesting equations about the severity of carbons in the next 33 years.

    Thanks for all your prayers, my daughter is hanging in there. She does have bilateral pneumonia,but we are praying for a full recovery.

  8. Glad your daughter’s doing better, confloyd.

    This link is for you. It’s a recently released partial list of WH visitors between Jan – june.

    thought you would find it interesting.

    Soros is on it 4x, Bill Ayers 2x, Jeremiah – 20X, etc.

    yidwithlid dot blogspot dot com/2009/10/white-house-releases-visitors-listayers dot html

  9. White House backs Clinton’s Pakistan remarks

    WASHINGTON — The White House is standing behind Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s blunt suggestion that Pakistani officials know where top terrorists are hiding.

    White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Friday that Clinton’s public comments echoed what U.S. officials tell the Pakistanis in private. He said they do not undermine Pakistani anti-terror cooperation.

    Said Gibbs: “I think those remarks were completely appropriate.”

    While traveling in Pakistan on Thursday, Clinton suggested some Pakistani officials knew where al-Qaida’s upper echelon has been hiding within their country and have done little to target them. She slightly revised the remarks Friday, saying she doesn’t think the government is purposely harboring terrorists.

    google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ix1H5RM-HxVN6kPuKh-lVv1p893gD9BLHVIG0

  10. Support for Hillary’s frank comments in Pakistan.

    voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2009/10/clinton_gets_her_back_up_in_pa.html

  11. We’re Governed by Callous Children–Peggy Noonan

    h t t p://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703363704574503631430926354.html

    I’m not usually a fan of hers and I know she supported Obama during the election but it sure seems like her eyes have been opened lately…

  12. FRIDAY NIGHT NEWS DUMP:

    Obama Administration Invokes State Secrets Privilege…Again
    October 30, 2009 10:53 PM

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/10/obama-administration-invokes-state-secrets-privilegeagain.html

  13. From Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller
    Taking what officials call an “unprecedented” step in transparency, the White House released visitor logs today showing some popular names: William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, R. Kelly, and Malik Shabazz visiting the White House.

    But, no – those are not who you think they are, official say; these famous people never really visited the White House – these are other people with the same name.

    “There’s an important lesson here as well,” Norm Eisen, special counsel to the president for ethics and government reform writes in a blog posting on the White House website, “This unprecedented level of transparency can sometimes be confusing rather than providing clear information. A lot of people visit the White House, up to 100,000 each month, with many of those folks coming to tour the buildings. Given this large amount of data, the records we are publishing today include a few “false positives” – names that make you think of a well-known person, but are actually someone else.”

    More:
    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/10/white-house-posts-visitor-lists-is-that-the-bill-ayers-no.html

  14. Admin: Didn’t the CBO say that Hillarycare would reduce premiums and add money to the budget? I can’t find any proof but I’m pretty sure it’s true.

  15. Obama Ends U.S. Travel Ban On Visitors, Immigrants With HIV-AIDS
    October 30, 2009 1:26 PM

    Starting Monday, foreigners with HIV-AIDS will be able to travel or immigrate to the United States without having to get a waiver from the Department of Homeland Security.

    Today President Obama eliminated a travel ban that had been in place since 1993, forbidding people with HIV-AIDS from travelling to the US. “If we want to be the global leader in combating HIV/AIDS, we need to act like it,” the President said today.

    He tipped his hat to his predecessor for starting the process. “Congress and President Bush began this process last year, and they ought to be commended for it. We are finishing the job. It’s a step that will encourage people to get tested and get treatment, it’s a step that will keep families together, and it’s a step that will save lives.”

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/10/obama-ends-travel-ban-on-foreigners-with-hivaids.html

    ************************

    get treatment on who’s dime??
    don’t foreigners get a tax waiver for like 7 years ??!!!

    Who will profit from all that extra HIV/AIDS treatment coming to our country?
    obviously the drug companies and all those other countries that now will not have to foot the bill for their own hiv/aids problem.

    Keep who’s family together?
    and save who’s lives?

    how much longer will we all have to wait in line now to see a doctor??

    who and how many more Americans will loose their life due to more hiv/aids in this country?

  16. Puma-SF, The New Republic has an article on CBO and Hillarycare written n June 2007. The name of the article is “Hillary Was Right“. It is a fascinating article to read especially in light of what is going on now. Hillarycare was smeared and Americans lost out. Sadder, Hillary was denied the ability to try again, with all the lessons learned by her and us. Americans are the ones worse off.

    BTW, our critique of Pelousy and the Public Option is a critique of the Speaker and the flim-flam she and Dimocrats call a “Public Option”. Our critique is not directed towards a “Public Option” of the type which Hillary has proposed. Our critique is directed towards the flim-flam Obama/Pelousy “public option” limited to the sickest and poorest 6 million and the consequent higher premiums of this latest Obama scam.

    Excerpt:

    A different set of concerns came from more thoughtful experts like Ellwood and Enthoven, the fathers of managed competition. Of particular concern to them was a limit on how much insurers could raise premiums from year to year. Government was in no position to set such limits, the argument went, because it couldn’t determine as well as the market what the proper level of medical spending was–or how to allocate it. If, for example, the cap was too low, doctors and hospitals wouldn’t get the money they needed–and would begin cutting back on services.

    From a policy standpoint, these caps were indeed the plan’s most controversial element–and the ones about which questions could most legitimately be raised. But, looking back, even these concerns were probably overblown. The task force had included this cap partly to satisfy the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), which, in its official estimates of the program’s cost, wouldn’t assume that having a bunch of insurance plans was likely to save money, as the Clintons insisted it would. Since CBO’s projections would guide the debate, and since political moderates were likely to abandon the plan if it threatened to raise deficit spending or spark new taxes, the task force threw in the cap. But it was entirely possible premiums would not have exceeded the caps, at least not for a while: In fact, over the next few years, premium increases stayed under the limits set by the caps. And that was without a lot of the administrative savings that Hillarycare would have generated. Don’t forget, too, that Congress always had the power to ease the caps if they really threatened to disrupt medical services–although the hope was always that limiting spending would ultimately push the health care system to be even more efficient.

    As we all now know, those objections ended up carrying the day. The fear of rationing played directly into public fears of government incompetence–a fear the press did little to dispel. Harry and Louise and McCaughey may have been talking nonsense, but they spooked a lot of Americans. And, even though many interest groups stood to benefit from the Clinton plan–chief among them, large employers already paying for generous worker benefits–few lifted a finger to help. The plan died, and, just like that, Hillary went from savior to scapegoat.

    But look at everything that has happened since that time. By the end of the ’90s, virtually every American was enrolled in an HMO or some other type of managed-care plan–in other words, precisely the scenario that Harry and Louise, along with McCaughey, had warned would happen if the Clintons got their way. But managed care had evolved in a rather different direction than it might have under Hillarycare. The Clinton plan had proposed to regulate HMOs closely. Not only would the standard benefit package limit the ability of insurers to skimp on necessary care for people who needed it, but the Clinton plan also would have required all insurance plans to collect and publish data about how well their beneficiaries were doing (like, for example, whether they all got recommended tests, how satisfied they were with the service, and so on). This would have bolstered the best managed care organizations, the nonprofit group practices (like Group Health of Puget Sound in Seattle or Harvard Community Health in Boston, both of which had excellent reputations in the ’90s) that really did promote high-quality medicine. There was even a patients’ bill of rights, to make sure that people who thought their insurers had denied treatments improperly could appeal such decisions in a binding legal process.

    Read the whole article, it is very educational:

    http://www.tnr.com/article/hillary-was-right

  17. Admin,

    I have to say that I am surprised anyone is willing to admit that Hillary’s plan was a good one, but it is good to hear at last.

    Especially…

    “But, if Hillarycare accomplished absolutely nothing else, it would have made certain every American had access to affordable health care–sparing millions of people physical harm, financial calamity, and countless indignities. For a plan that was supposedly such a debacle, that would have been an awfully mighty accomplishment.”

  18. Clinton faces huge challenge in Mideast talks

    By STEVEN GUTKIN and AMY TEIBEL

    JERUSALEM — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s long-shot attempt to resuscitate a moribund Mideast peace push is coming up against a firm Palestinian decision not to sit down with Israel, unless it freezes settlement construction on lands the Palestinians seek for a future state.

    Israel has given no indication it’s willing to call such a moratorium, resisting Washington’s demands for months. Israeli officials are also privately expressing doubt about the wisdom of holding peace talks before Palestinian elections scheduled in three months’ time.

    Nearly a year after President Barack Obama took office, the Mideast peace initiative that is a cornerstone of his foreign policy is clearly in grave danger.

    Palestinian officials say their president, the moderate Mahmoud Abbas, can’t give ground on settlements because his people are already disillusioned with his leadership and feel he repeatedly caves in to U.S. demands.

    A demoralized Abbas told Clinton in a telephone call last weekend that he would not seek re-election, prompting an urgent phone call from Obama to persuade him to reconsider and assure him the U.S. is committed to establishing a Palestinian state, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the phone calls were private.

    One way Clinton could break the impasse would be to wrest concessions from Israel, allowing Abbas to regain credibility.

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, however, has rebuffed months of U.S. pressure to stop all building of new homes for Israeli settlers in the West Bank and east Jerusalem.

    Netanyahu — who opposes some of the key territorial compromises that would be needed to attain a final accord — has also rejected a Palestinian demand that peace talks resume where they broke off under his predecessor.

    Netanyahu’s spokesman, Mark Regev, had no comment when asked what gestures Israel might be willing to make to help Abbas. He reiterated Israel’s position that it is ready to relaunch talks without preconditions.

    Speaking Friday, Netanyahu said he hoped to use talks with Clinton “to try to relaunch the peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians as soon as possible.”

    But Obama’s inability to get Israel to budge on settlements has generated a feeling among Arabs that he is unwilling to put teeth into his demand.

    Palestinian leaders are extremely frustrated with Obama and have decided to stick to their position on peace talks even if they end up getting blamed for holding up negotiations, said a senior Palestinian official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was commenting on internal deliberations.

    Clinton arrives Saturday on her first visit since Netanyahu took office in March and her second since becoming Obama’s top diplomat. She will meet with Abbas in Abu Dhabi before heading to Jerusalem.

    Obama personally tried to jump-start talks last month by bringing Abbas and Netanyahu together in the U.S. for their first meeting since the Israeli leader took office. But that high-profile sitdown with Obama produced no breakthroughs.

    Getting Abbas to sit down with Netanyahu could be a hollow victory if it’s done by pressuring Abbas to acquiesce to U.S. demands, or to an Israeli agenda that Palestinians see as hostile. In five turbulent years in office, Abbas has never faced as much outrage as recently, when he suspended efforts to put Israeli officials on trial for alleged war crimes during last winter’s Gaza war. Aides said he acted at Washington’s behest.

    The grassroots backlash was so harsh that Abbas quickly backtracked. Still, he was weakened badly, making it even more difficult for him to even consider backing down on the settlement freeze demand. Complicating matters further is the Palestinian leader’s bitter rivalry with the Islamic militant group Hamas, which wrested control of Gaza from Abbas loyalists in 2007. Hamas has long preached that Abbas’ moderation doesn’t pay and that only armed struggle will produce a Palestinian state.

    Israeli officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not expressing formal policy, said starting talks with Abbas now could be pointless because Hamas could oust moderates in the elections, scheduled for Jan. 24.

    At the moment, it’s not clear if Abbas will be able to hold elections at all, absent a Hamas reconciliation deal that would allow voting in both Gaza and the West Bank.

    Abbas’ weakness contrasts sharply with the strong domestic support Netanyahu enjoys, even as Israel’s image worldwide takes a beating.

    A U.N. report has alleged the Israeli military committed war crimes during its Gaza offensive. Ties with the U.S. are turbulent. Relations with Turkey, Israel’s most important Muslim world ally, have begun to sour. Anti-Israel sentiment and boycott calls are gaining steam around the world.

    Yet a recent poll showed that if elections were held now, Netanyahu’s Likud Party would win 33 seats — six more than now. Two-thirds of Israelis are pleased with his handling of foreign affairs, the poll found.

    google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jQPVT9WEz6v4Cw4RxtR_cCuQDelAD9BM2B6O0

    ——————
    “One way Clinton could break the impasse would be to wrest concessions from Israel, allowing Abbas to regain credibility.”

    ———————

    Bullsh*t!!! So once again Israel is supposed to give up everything so Abbas (you know the guy with the terrorist history) can walk on water. And once again the other side doesn’t have to give up anything. What a croc!

  19. Admin, that TNR article was heartbreaking to read, that she didn’t get a second chance to prove she was right. This last sentence sums it up for us, if there were any justice:

    It’s a shame, really, because if there were any justice, she’d have the best one-liner on health care of any candidate out there: “I was right the first time.”

    Notice how there is not a word about the Candidate Obama in the article.

  20. Breaking : SCOZZAFAVA SUSPENDS NY23 CAMPAIGN :

    She’s out

    Dede Scozzafava, the Republican and Independence parties candidate, announced Saturday that she is suspending her campaign for the 23rd Congressional District and releasing all her supporters.

    The state Assemblywoman has not thrown her support to either Doug Hoffman, the Conservative Party candidate, or Bill Owens, the Democratic candidate.

    “Today, I again seek to act for the good of our community,” Ms. Scozzafava wrote in a letter to friends and supporters. “It is increasingly clear that pressure is mounting on many of my supporters to shift their support. Consequently, I hereby release those individuals who have endorsed and supported my campaign to transfer their support as they see fit to do so. I am and have always been a proud Republican. It is my hope that with my actions today, my party will emerge stronger and our district and our nation can take an important step towards restoring the enduring strength and economic prosperity that has defined us for generations.”

    Ms. Scozzafava told the Watertown Daily Times that Siena Research Institute poll numbers show her too far behind to catch up – and she lacks enough money to spend on advertising in the last three days to make a difference.

  21. MoonOnPluto, it appears that now Dimocrats are poised to lose at least two out of the three races that are being closely watched.

  22. Supporting dictators in Pak was a mistake, would not be repeated again: Clinton

    October 31, 2009

    Islamabad, Oct.31 (ANI): US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who is on a three-day visit to Pakistan, has said that Washington had committed a mistake by supporting successive military regimes in the country in the past, and also assured that such a step would not be repeated in future again.

    Clinton, who held an interactive meeting with several Parliamentarians at the Parliament House here, told them that the US had committed a mistake in the past by supporting successive military rulers, but added that it would not be repeated again.

    “The US secretary of state in her meeting with parliamentarians acknowledged that the United States had made a mistake in the past to lend its support to successive dictators and assured that in future no relation would be established with individuals but with the state and people of Pakistan,” The News quoted Speaker of the National Assembly Dr Fehmida Mirza, as saying.

    During the three-hour long meeting, Pakistani Parliamentarians raised several issues including that of drone attacks in the tribal areas and the presence of private US security firm, Blackwater, inside the country’s territory.

    Insiders said, while replying to apprehensions regarding the presence of private security guards, Clinton stressed that those hired by the US for safe guarding its installations would certainly abide by the law of the land.

    Dr.Mirza said Clinton also pointed out that the Obama administration, after evaluating past policies, has now decided o interact with the people of Pakistan and parliamentarians for which a mechanism was being devised.

    trak.in/news/supporting-dictators-in-pak-was-a-mistake-would-not-be-repeated-again-clinton/18953/

  23. Clinton arrives in Israel amid troubled peace push

    01 November 2009

    TEL AVIV, Israel – US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton arrived in Israel on Saturday to meet Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and top officials as Washington struggles to revive the stagnant Middle East peace process.

    Washington’s top diplomat was also to meet with Defence Minister Ehud Barak and hardline Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman during her hours-long visit.

    Clinton flew in from Abu Dhabi where she held a “difficult” meeting with Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas, who demanded that Israel freeze all settlement activity in order for peace talks to resume.

    Following the meeting senior Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat said that the gap between the two parties “is widening even more” while Abbas’ spokesman accused the Israelis of “intransigence.”

    A senior US official travelling with Clinton admitted a “difficult period” in peace efforts, but insisted that “neither side has shut the door.”

    Washington has for months been struggling to get Palestinians and Israelis to resume peace negotiations that were suspended during the Gaza War at the turn of the year.

    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/1015043/1/.html

  24. Clinton urges Abbas to talk without settlement halt

    Sat Oct 31, 2009
    By Andrew Quinn and Jeffrey Heller

    JERUSALEM (Reuters) – On a flying visit across the Middle East, Hillary Clinton urged the Israeli and Palestinian leaders on Saturday to resume peace talks immediately and seemed to accept Israel’s refusal to halt settlement building first.

    U.S. President Barack Obama’s secretary of state agreed with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at a news conference in Jerusalem that limits on Jewish settlement expansion, offered by Israel, would be “unprecedented” and that Palestinian demands for a full freeze should not be a pre-condition to negotiations.

    Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who was stung last month by Obama’s shift from calling publicly for a “freeze” to “restraint” on Israeli settlements, made clear after meeting Clinton earlier on Saturday in the Gulf that he would not return to negotiating table without a complete halt in the building.

    But Clinton and Netanyahu, speaking later in Jerusalem, made clear that neither accepted that as a valid reason not to talk.
    “There has never been a precondition. It’s always been an issue within the negotiations,” she said, endorsing Netanyahu’s assertion that Abbas’s demand for a settlement freeze before resuming peace talks was “unprecedented.” “Where we are right now is to try to get into negotiations,” she added.

    “The prime minister will be able to present his government’s proposal about what they are doing regarding settlements, which I think when fully explained will be seen as being not only unprecedented but in response to many of the concerns that have been expressed.”

    Obama and Clinton called in their early months after taking office this year for a complete halt to Israel’s policy of building on occupied land in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, dismissing Netanyahu’s insistence on maintaining “natural growth” to allow for the birth rate among Jewish settlers.

    However, in bringing Abbas and Netanyahu together in New York in September for the first such meeting since Abbas pulled out of talks last year with the previous Israeli premier, Obama called only for “restraint” on settlement, not a “freeze.”

    Supporters of Abbas, who struggles for backing at home in the face of a challenge from the Hamas Islamists who control the Gaza Strip, made clear their disappointment with Obama.

    ROAD MAP

    A U.S.-backed peace “road map” of 2003 does say Israel should halt settlement activity. Abbas, however, took part in a new peace process launched in 2007 by Obama’s predecessor George W. Bush. Abbas suspended negotiations over Israel’s offensive last winter in the Gaza Strip.

    On taking office after an election victory for the Israeli right in February, Netanyahu and his ministers have made clear their skepticism about reaching a lasting peace settlement while Palestinians are divided between Abbas and Hamas, which rejects recognition of Israel. They have said they are willing to discuss interim arrangements to improve security and prosperity.

    Meeting Clinton on Saturday, Netanyahu said of Abbas’s condition of a settlement freeze: “It’s a change of Palestinian policy and it doesn’t do much for peace. It doesn’t work to advance negotiations. It actually is used as a pretext or at least as something as an obstacle that prevents the re-establishment of negotiations.”
    He said: “We are prepared to start peace talks immediately.

    “I think that what we should do on the path to peace is to simply to get on it and get with it.”

    In Abu Dhabi, Abbas’s spokesman Nabil Abu Rdainah said: “There was no breakthrough in the talks.”

    Netanyahu has said he intends to push on with the construction of 3,000 settler homes under projects already approved, and continue building houses for Jews in East Jerusalem, which Israel does not regard as Palestinian land.

    Clinton’s spokesman denied a suggestion that she had asked Abbas to accept Netanyahu’s offer to limit building to those 3,000 new units in return for talks.

    Israel captured the West Bank and East Jerusalem in a 1967 war and Palestinians fear that the presence of settlements there would deny them a viable state. Some 500,000 Israelis live in the two areas alongside 2.8 million Palestinians.

    Clinton’s weekend visit to the Middle East is her second since Obama took office in January. A senior U.S. envoy, George Mitchell, has been shuttling between Israeli and Palestinian leaders every few weeks. He was with Clinton on Saturday.But there is scant sign that the talks can be revived soon.

    reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSLV11497220091031

  25. Admin: Thanks so much for the link to the article. I will defnitely check it out. It does sound fascination. Being from San Francisco, my history with Pelosi goes way back. She has been such a disgraceful disappointment for me and now she’s an embarassment.

  26. Its a mystery to me why they are NOW letting Hillary travel the world and show her diplomatic skills?? Can anyone answer this? Maybe Joe BIden is getting the axe and Hillary will take his place, who knows, but its different now than it has been.

  27. confloyd: she has traveled to Russia, China, Japan, Indonesia, Israel, and some other places that I can’t remember right now. Maybe, they are being publicized more?

  28. The hilarious thing is that Hillary has done more in 9 months than Bambi will probably in the whole 4 years. She shows him up for the useless cretin he is.

  29. Confloyd, I have been wondering the same thing about Hillary. Suddenly she is everywhere–it just can’t be by chance. It’s a very striking change. Is the white house thinking some of her high poll ratings and goodwill will rub off on Obama??

  30. This current trip that Secretary Clinton is on, seems to be getting much more publicity. Wonder, if it is because they are such critical areas of focus? She has been doing many interviews and most (not all)of the comments have been very positive.

  31. He desperately needs some diplomatic wins or at least the implication that they have tried to broker peace. He needs positive spin because all around him is falling apart.

    Hillary is his star. She is exhausted but amazing. Her work ethic is like no other. He will take the kudos where he can get them.

  32. Breaking News > Asia > Story
    Nov 1, 2009

    Clinton to meet Japan FM

    WASHINGTON – US SECRETARY of State Hillary Clinton will meet her Japanese counterpart here on Friday amid a row over the planned relocation of a controversial US base in Japan, the State Department said.

    Mrs Clinton’s talks with Japanese Foreign Minister Katsuya Okada, confirmed by a State Department official to AFP, comes ahead of US President Barack Obama’s first official visit to Japan on Nov 12-13.

    Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama, who took power in September, has pledged to review a 2006 agreement to relocate the US Marine Corps Futenma Air Base from an urban to a coastal part of the southern island of Okinawa.

    Mr Hatoyama has suggested the base – which has angered residents because of aircraft noise and friction with US servicemen – could be moved off the island altogether, a move Washington has strongly opposed.

    US Defence Secretary Robert Gates has bluntly pressed Washington’s key ally to ‘move on’ quickly with the previously agreed plans to move Futenma operations to the coastal area near the US Camp Schwab site in central Okinawa.

    The United States, which defeated Japan in World War II and then occupied the country, now has 47,000 troops stationed there, more than half of them on Okinawa, the site of one of the war’s bloodiest battles. — AFP

    http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Asia/Story/STIStory_449038.html

  33. Maybe she is being sent in to fix all the screw ups of BO’s. I don’t know, but she is even now to be able to speak her mind. She’s been tough on all that she has met up with, while Obama is the placator and allows everyone to walk all over him. She is tough and tells them how it is.

  34. confloyd,

    obama is an apologist to the extreme. Hillary has to go in repeatedly to clean up his diplomatic messes and give America back it’s pride.

  35. In regards to the trip to Japan, does this mean Hillary won’t be at the NoLimits conference? Looks like they are on the same day.

    Well I would have loved to see Hillary, but I understand if she has to go do the real work before Obama comes in after her just for show. 😀

  36. h/w
    upi.com/Top_News/US/2009/10/31/Holder-cites-state-secrets-in-wiretap-case/UPI-85881257007354/
    WASHINGTON, Oct. 31 (UPI) — The Obama administration says it will continue its predecessor’s policy of using state secrets authority to block disclosures about warrantless eavesdropping.

    OK, so … anyone out there still believe in Obama enough to try to spin this?

    Electronic Frontier Foundation attorney Kevin Bankson told CNN Holder’s move represented a continuation of Bush’s policies[….]

  37. bailed out bank bonuses and salaries expected to top 140 BILLION
    more than the combined budgets of the US Department of Education, the Center for Disease Control and the National Institute of Health…

    h/ no w
    abcnews.go.com/Business/bailed-banks-big-payday/story?id=8951963

  38. Afghan challenger drops out of runoff election
    AP – Afghanistan’s presidential challenger Abdullah Abdullah announces his decision to not to participate …
    KABUL – President Hamid Karzai’s challenger withdrew Sunday from next weekend’s runoff election, effectively handing the incumbent a victory but raising doubts about the credibility of the government at a time when the U.S. is seeking an effective partner in the war against the Taliban.

    Former Foreign Minister Abdullah Abdullah said he made his decision after Karzai turned down his demands for changes to the Independent Election Commission and other measures that he said would prevent massive fraud, which marred the first round of balloting on Aug. 20.

    Abdullah stopped short of calling for an electoral boycott and urged his followers “not to go to the streets, not to demonstrate.”

    Azizullah Lodin, the head of the Karzai-appointed commission, said he would have to confer with constitutional lawyers before deciding later Sunday whether the runoff would proceed without Abdullah.

    Kai Eide, the top U.N. official in Afghanistan, said in a statement that the next step is to “bring this electoral process to a conclusion in a legal and timely manner.”

    The statement did not address whether the runoff should go forward, though U.N. spokesman Aleem Siddique said it looked impractical.

    “It’s difficult to see how you can have a runoff with only one candidate,” Siddique said.

    A clouded electoral picture further complicates the Obama administration’s efforts to decide whether to send tens of thousands more troops to Afghanistan to battle the Taliban and its al-Qaida allies.

    The White House has been waiting for a new government in Kabul to announce a decision, but the war has intensified in the meantime. October was the deadliest month of the war for U.S. forces with at least 57 American deaths.

    Before the announcement, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton downplayed the prospect of an Abdullah withdrawal, saying it would not undermine the legitimacy of the election.

    “I don’t think it has anything to do with the legitimacy of the election,” Clinton told reporters Saturday in Abu Dhabi. “It’s a personal choice.”

    Nevertheless, the contentious electoral process has divided anti-Taliban groups at a time when the U.S. and its allies are pressing for unity in the face of growing insurgent strength.

    U.S. officials pressured Karzai into agreeing to a runoff after U.N.-backed auditors threw out nearly a third of his votes from the August ballot, citing fraud.

    Karzai’s campaign spokesman, Waheed Omar, said it was “very unfortunate” that Abdullah had withdrawn but that the Saturday runoff should proceed.

    “We believe that the elections have to go on, the process has to complete itself, the people of Afghanistan have to be given the right to vote,” Omar said.

    In an emotional speech, Abdullah told supporters that the Karzai-appointed election commission had engineered massive fraud in the first-round vote, but his demands for replacing the top leadership had been rejected.

    “I will not participate in the Nov. 7 election,” Abdullah said, because a “transparent election is not possible.”

    Abdullah told reporters later that he was not calling for a boycott, but instead leaving it up to his supporters to decide whether to vote if a runoff goes forward on Saturday.

    He said he made the decision “with a lot of pain” and hoped his withdrawal would “give the people of Afghanistan a chance to move on.”

    As recently as Saturday night, Abdullah staffers were saying he would call for supporters to boycott and for the runoff to be delayed until spring with an interim government in place until then.

    Eide, of the U.N., and U.S. Ambassador Karl Eikenberry were negotiating with the two late into the night about a power-sharing deal, said a Western diplomat familiar with the talks. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information.

    The negotiations, which involved carving up ministries between the two camps, broke down early Sunday morning when Karzai ultimately rejected the deal. If they had succeeded, Abdullah would have conceded rather than simply withdrawn his candidacy, the diplomat said.

    The fact that Abdullah did not go so far as to boycott could mean he is leaving open a window for further talks.

    Abdullah said he made his final decision to take a softer stance out of consideration of the costs in terms of lives, resources, and time and effort.

    Abdullah’s running mate, Homayoun Assefy, said it was up to the electoral commission to decide whether to hold the runoff next Saturday as scheduled.

    Abdullah repeatedly talked about the need for “national unity,” but he made no mention of agreeing to take part in any future unity government with Karzai, which the U.S. and its international partners believe is the best hope for curbing the Taliban insurgency.

    Instead, Abdullah said Karzai’s government had not been legitimate since its mandate expired last May. The Supreme Court, appointed by Karzai, extended his mandate after the election was put off from last spring until August.

    “In one hour, all my conditions could have been implemented. Unfortunately, until the last moment we were waiting, but we heard they rejected our appeals,” Abdullah said.

    He said the people of Afghanistan “have the right” to a free and fair election but the last ballot “was a failure.”

    Obama administration officials have said they would be receptive to a power-sharing deal to avoid a runoff if Karzai and Abdullah could agree on a formula.

    A statement issued by the U.S. Embassy on Sunday was more vague.

    “We fully endorse his emphasis on national unity,” the statement said of Abdullah’s decision.

    Abdullah first decided to exit the race after talks between the two sides broke down Thursday, according to two people close to the negotiations. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak for the candidate.

    During recent talks, Abdullah demanded the removal of three key election officials, suspension of three Cabinet members and constitutional changes that would give him a say in the appointment of ministers and in major policy decisions, according to an Afghan close to the Karzai campaign.

    The Afghan spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not supposed to talk about the confidential discussions.

    h t t p : / / news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091101/ap_on_re_as/as_afghanistan

  39. “Kai Eide, the top U.N. official in Afghanistan, said in a statement that the next step is to “bring this electoral process to a conclusion in a legal and timely manner.””

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    Abdullah’s demands were appropriate ones. He was trying to clean up this mess instead of having Karzai and his pals commit the same illegal voting acts as the first time. I guess Karzai learned everything from bambi and his thugs. I honestly believe Karzai would have gone down in flames this time if those demands had been met.

  40. Clinton arrives in Morocco on Mideast Peace Push

    MARRAKECH, Morocco — US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton arrived Sunday in the Moroccan city of Marrakech on the next stop in her diplomatic mission to relaunch the stalled Middle East peace process.

    In Marrakech the US top diplomat is scheduled to meet on Monday and Tuesday with her Arab counterparts attending the sixth Forum for the Future, jointly organised by Morocco and Italy.

    Clinton travelled to the northwest African country after talks in the Middle East with Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    The United States is pushing both sides to resume peace negotiations which were suspended after the Israeli offensive against Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip last December and January.

    The situation in the Middle East and the dialogue between the West and the Islamic world will be the two main themes at a dinner debate at the Forum on Monday evening.

    The Forum for the Future is a joint initiative between the Group of Eight industrial powers and some 20 countries in the Middle East and North Africa, along with the European Commission and the Arab League.

    The idea of an annual meeting was developed at a G8 summit in 2004. The G8 powers – Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United States – wanted to encourage reforms and an open, informal dialogue with countries in the Middle East and northern Africa.

    google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i6OPmswP2DWK6bpLLw3caUwiTsVQ

  41. Abbas difficult to make next move after Clinton remarks

    2009-11-01
    by David Harris

    JERUSALEM, Nov. 1 (Xinhua) — A flurry of U.S. diplomatic activity over the last two days has left the spotlight on the Palestinian leadership, with Washington disappointed that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is currently balking at immediate peace talks with Israel.

    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton met Abbas in the United Arab Emirates on Saturday before flying to Jerusalem to meet senior Israeli officials in Jerusalem that night. At a news conference prior to her meeting with Netanyahu on Saturday, Clinton stressed that a full Israeli settlement freeze was at no stage a precondition to the resumption of Israeli-Palestinian negotiations.

    Analysts believe the U.S. pressure on the Palestinian leadership to resume peace talks would leave Abbas in a difficult situation, as he at the same time faces the pressure for the coming Palestinian election.

    CLINTON REMARKS “DISAPPOINTING”

    Until recently, both Clinton and Obama had insisted Israel begin an immediate cessation of settlement expansion in the West Bank and east Jerusalem — two areas Israel has controlled since the 1967 War but that Palestinians hope will form the major part of a future Palestinian state.

    “Negotiation by its very definition is a process of trying to meet the other’s needs, while protecting your core interests and on settlements there’s never been a precondition,” Clinton told reporters. She also warned that the settlements issue may never be resolved to the full satisfaction of the Palestinians, saying that “There are always demands made in any negotiation that are not going to be realized.”

    The settlements issue has been the stumbling block to any early resumption of peace talks. For his part, in an interview with the Dubai-based Al-Arabiyya TV on Saturday, Abbas made it clear he still sees the settlements as the key hurdle ahead of talks.

    “We’re saying stop the settlement construction so we can work…we’re not talking about removing the settlements at this stage,” Abbas was quoted by Israel Radio as telling the TV station. He added that an Israeli offer to halt building work for just six months and for that not to apply to east Jerusalem, 3,000 apartment buildings already approved and communal buildings is not exactly a cessation of settlement activity.

    The change in tone by Washington is extremely disappointing, according to political science professor Galia Golan, who is a leading voice in the dovish Israeli movement Peace Now. Golan argues the American backtrack puts Abbas in an extremely difficult position. The Clinton comments have returned the ball to the Palestinian court after months where it appeared the Americans and Palestinians were on the same page. “Obama backed down on the settlement demand and left (Abbas) out to dry. I’m sure (Abbas) took the stand demanding a freeze as a precondition to talks because he had Obama’s backing on it,” Golan told Xinhua on Sunday. Golan maintains Abbas cannot yield on this issue, particularly after he caved in to American pressure in September and agreed to press for a delay in the vote at the UN Human Rights Council on the Goldstone report, which said Israel may have been guilty of war crimes during its operation in and around Gaza last December and January.

    ABBAS’ DILEMMA

    In the opinion of Ephraim Inbar, head of the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies at Bar-Ilan University, Abbas has brought much of his trouble upon himself.
    “He needs to show he is a leader. He’s always coming up with excuses, saying he is weak and so on. With a leader like that it’s impossible to do business,” said Inbar. According to Inbar, a major part of Abbas’ problem is that he is constantly watching over his shoulder to check what his main political rival, Hamas, is up to.

    With parliamentary and presidential elections slated for 2010 in the Palestinian areas, Abbas is aware that any perception that he is not standing up to Israeli or U.S. pressure could cost him dear at the polling stations.

    Hamas is attacking Abbas from the political right and any kowtowing to the Israelis and Americans will be picked up by Hamas’ spin doctors. That means Abbas is currently less likely to be willing to compromise on the peace front.

    Inbar believes Clinton did the right thing when she said the settlement freeze was not a precondition for the resumption of peace talks. “This was a wise step from the Obama administration, because they understand the need to jumpstart the negotiation process and that there’s no place for preconditions,” said Inbar.

    Either way, the Obama team is now seemingly waiting to hear from Abbas, who will return from his trip to the Gulf during the week. At that stage he is slated to hold talks with his senior colleagues in the Palestinian National Authority and his Fatah party top brass in order to decide on his next move.

    Clinton is spending the next day or two in Morocco where she will hold talks with Arab foreign ministers. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is likely to be high on the agenda.

    U.S. Middle East special envoy George Mitchell is expected to remain in the region for the next few days. He will reportedly spend the week carrying on from where Clinton left off in trying to persuade Abbas to open talks with the Israelis.

    However, the pessimism that preceded Clinton’s visit to the Middle East seems likely to stay, according to the analysts, the only difference being that the pressure is now far less on the Israelis, with Abbas and his advisers now firmly at center stage.

    news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-11/01/content_12369558.htm

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    What I find very interesting here is how bambi is going to look now. He tried, failed but tried, to come across as a “leader” when he used “strong” language to demand that Israel give up everything just so he could pacify his Arab buddies. Now, with the U.S. backing down on the single most important demand of Abbas and his terrorist pals, bambi looks weak and impotent.

  42. New Rasmussen tracking poll. Obama’s low numbers still the same.

    w w w.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

  43. Remember how they use to ask people to list his experiences, and accomplishments during the campaign?

    Someone should start asking people what his accomplishments have been so far. but then, I guess it does not make a difference when they award him the Nobel Peace Prize for the Hope he has given the people of the world.

    Accomplishments are not necessary, when hope keeps people brain washed.

  44. Hello everyone, there seems to be so many missing posters lately. Please come back I miss your comment’s.

  45. I’m still here but it gets like this sometimes, come back, Monday thru wed for the elections, we’ll be busy. We got so tired after the 08 elections that it damned near killed some of us.

  46. I am still here too. Just busy with sick family members and re doing my bedroom. You can bet we will all be here on Tuesday and Wednesday.
    I do think Hillary is trying to patch up what Obama has screwed up, and thats why she is out there more.

    I also turned off Poulffe today on Meet the Press. He’s is a bot.

  47. SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) – Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner on Sunday cautioned that while there were some encouraging signs in the latest report on economic growth, the recovery will be choppy and uneven.

    “This is gonna be a different recovery than in the past because Americans are gonna have to save more,” he said in an interview on NBC’s Meet the Press. “A lot of damage was caused by this crisis. It’s gonna take some time for us to grow out of this.”

    www dot marketwatch.com/story/geithner-choppy-and-uneven-recovery-underway-2009-11-01

    Which is it, Timmy? A recovery or a downturn? Not long ago the bad economy was the peoples’ fault because we were not spending enough (and no, I do not have a link for that). Now we are not saving enough. Still trying to have it both ways, aren’t you fella?

  48. Some books coming out about Palin:

    Going Rogue and Going Rouge are not the only books coming out about former Alaska governor Sarah Palin. The Weekly Standard’s Mathew Continetti has written The Persecution of Sarah Palin, a “226-page defense of Palin and slap-down of the media coverage she has faced.” U.S. News & World Report pulls out a few excerpts. [….]

    Liberal-leaning feminists, especially comic Tina Fey, the 30 Rock star who portrayed Palin on Saturday Night Live, were jealous of Palin. “Palin’s sudden global fame rankled those feminists whose own path to glory had been difficult. To them, Palin was less a female success story than she was the beneficiary of male chauvinism,” writes Continetti. He holds out Fey and her TV character for special criticism. “It was telling that Fey should be the actress who impersonated Palin. The two women may look like each other, but they could not be more dissimilar. Each exemplifies a different category of feminism. Palin comes from the I-can-do-it-all school. She is professionally successful, has been married for more than 20 years, and has a large and (from all outward appearances) happy family. And while Fey is also pretty, married, and has a daughter, the characters she portrays in films like Mean Girls and Baby Mama, and in television shows like 30 Rock, are hard-pressed eggheads who give up personal fulfillment—e.g., marriage and motherhood—in the pursuit of professional success,” he writes.

  49. So Dede Scozzafava is now supporting Obama’s handpicked Democratic candidate, Owens, in NY’s 23rd District. Like Gomer Pyle would say “Surprise, surprise, surprise!” When those of us cynical politicaljunkies state that there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the two parties – THIS is exactly what we are talking about. The only moderate with any sense is Hillary. Otherwise, hope the Conservatives knock all three races on Tues. Nov. 3rd, out of the ballpark. PUMA revenge? You betcha!

  50. turndownobama, I also saw Rush interviewed on Fox News Sunday and Rush said how bad Palin had, yet not a word mentioned about how the RWN savaged Hillary for over two decades. What the real problem and it seems no one is talking about is that people seem to savage strong women. That’s the real problem. I guess the rethugs had their women at bay and they never had to worry about coming across a Hillary Clinton, well guess what they have one too. Lets see if they can just learn to handle that some women are just as qualified to run the govt. and any man. It seems that misogny comes in republican and democratic parties.

  51. Nov 1, 2009

    PA to US: Coerce settlement freeze

    Palestinian Authority officials on Sunday warned that Washington’s failure to force Israel to halt all construction in the settlements would lead to an “explosion.”

    The officials also criticized US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s statements in Jerusalem in which she backed Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s position on the issue of settlements, calling his moratorium on new construction “unprecedented.”

    One official in Ramallah told The Jerusalem Post that the “mask has fallen off the face” of US President Barack Obama. The US, he said, has once again demonstrated that it’s not an “honest broker” in Middle East because of its “bias” in favor of Israel. “If Clinton thinks that we are going to return to the negotiating table while the bulldozers are working in the settlements she’s deluding herself,” the PA official said.

    Nabil Abu Rudaineh, a spokesman for PA President Mahmoud Abbas, said that the region was on the verge of a volcanic eruption because of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s refusal to accept the Palestinians’ demand to halt settlement construction.

    “The Israeli government’s insistence on pursuing settlement construction places the peace process at risk,” Abu Rudaineh said. “We are ready to resume the peace talks only after Israel stops all settlement construction.”

    Abbas’s Fatah faction and several PLO operatives on Sunday voiced full support for Abbas’s stance on the settlements.

    Fatah spokesman Fahmi Za’areer said that Israel was insisting on pursuing settlement construction while talking about peace at the same time. This position, he said, would not lead to the resumption of peace talks. Za’areer also expressed Fatah’s backing for Abbas in the face of increased US pressure to return to the negotiating table without preconditions.

    The Fatah Central Committee also hailed Abbas for resisting US pressure to resume the peace talks unconditionally. The committee accused the Netanyahu government of sabotaging efforts to establish a Palestinian state alongside Israel. The committee also called on the US and other members of the Quartet to pressure Israel to stop all settlement construction. It said that Abbas was right in refusing to resume the peace talks before Israel stopped settlement activities, including construction of new Jewish homes in east Jerusalem.

    The committee expressed disappointment with the “shift” in US policy on the settlements and warned that it would undermine the credibility of the Obama administration.

    Abbas has also won the backing of other Palestinian factions. Bassam Salhi, secretary-general of the Palestinian Peoples Party, formerly the Communist Party, condemned the American position as “provocative” and “shameless.”

    Instead pressuring the Palestinians, the US should be exerting pressure on Israel, Salhi said. “Israel is continuing to ignore all UN resolutions pertaining to the conflict,” he added.

    In light of the “change” in the US policy toward the settlements, the Palestinian leadership should consider unilaterally declaring an independent Palestinian state in the areas captured by Israel in 1967, he said.

    In a joint press conference with the prime minister in the capital on Saturday night, Clinton said the US would not accept the Palestinians demand that Israel halt all settlement construction as a precondition to negotiations. She added that Netanyahu’s moratorium on new construction in the settlements was unprecedented.

    Clinton spoke at the end of a one-day visit to Israel, in which she met with Netanyahu, Foreign Minister Avidor Lieberman and Defense Minister Ehud Barak.

    US envoy George Mitchell was to stay in Israel through Monday to continue meeting with officials in hopes of finding a way to resume the stalled Israeli-Palestinian talks. Clinton has gone on to Morocco, where she plans to meet with Arab foreign ministers.

    Netanyahu has said that he was willing to talk with the Palestinians without any preconditions. At the start of Sunday’s cabinet meeting, he said: “We are making a focused effort to resume the peace process.” He added that his government has worked on this since it took office on March 31.

    Netanyahu repeated for the cabinet members a number of public comments he had made Saturday night with Clinton. He listed for them steps he had taken to improve life for the Palestinians, including steps to ease travel restrictions by removing road blocs and checkpoints in the West Bank.

    “The result is that there is an unprecedented [economic] boom” in the Palestinian territories, he said.

    At the same time that Israel was taking steps to create a conducive atmosphere for peace talks, the Palestinians have introduced new conditions for such talks, something that has not happened in the last 16 years, he said. “I think this reality is clear to everyone today,” said Netanyahu. He added that he hoped that the Palestinians would drop their demand that Israel halt all settlement construction as a precondition to talks and that they would enter the diplomatic process. “The peace process is an Israeli interest as well as a Palestinian one,” he said. “We are ready to start negotiations without delay.”

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1256799063575&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

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    The only ones delusional here are the palestinian terrorists and their terrorist allies.

  52. November 1, 2009

    Hillary Would Have Made a Terrific Vice President, Bill Notwithstanding

    In his spicy, tantalizing, tell-all inside the belly of the Obama campaign book, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe says that Obama toyed with picking Hillary Clinton as his running mate and then junked it because hubby Bill posed too many complications. In less polite terms, the thinking among Team Obama was that Bill would have meddled, bossed, shoved his weight around, and been an insufferable know-it-all wise guy on policy issues. Obama would have had to waste time fending him off, and that would have made governing a living nightmare for him. This is all after-the-fact speculation, second guessing, and flat out Bill loathing.

    It’s true that Bill passionately and tirelessly backed Hillary’s campaign, and he should have. This wasn’t just a case of husbandly pride or guilt: millions thought and still think that she was the savviest, most experienced, knowledgeable, best prepared, and toughest of all the 2008 presidential candidates. It’s also true that at times Bill’s passion and exuberance for her got him in hot water when he took a couple of intemperate swipes at Obama. Much of the media and the professional Hillary loathers giddily jumped all over him for them, and wildly blew them out of proportion. There is, though, absolutely no proof that Bill would have been an unbearable obstructionist in the Obama Administration if Hillary were Vice President.

    The proof is in Hillary’s campaign. She ran it, Bill didn’t. She made the crucial decisions, Bill didn’t. She raised the money, Bill didn’t. She framed, shaped and articulated all key policy campaign issues, Bill didn’t. She did the debates, gave the speeches and interviews, and organized the troops, Bill didn’t.

    The minute she threw in the towel on her campaign she unhesitatingly endorsed Obama, campaigned for him, and repeatedly bombarded her supporters with emails and exhorted them in speeches to back Obama. Bill did the same.

    Nearly a year after the campaign, a mid-October Gallup survey still showed her as far more popular than Obama. This has far more to do with her political savvy, grace and comportment than the fact that she’s not a sitting president without the burdens, pressures, and hatred that go with the office. As VP, Hillary would have brought the same qualities to Team Obama that she brought to the campaign. That is expertise on health care reform, civil rights and liberties, campaign finance and immigration reform, and her special area of expertise on foreign policy. She would have been a role model and inspiration for millions of women young and old. She would have proven that women can hold a top political power spot that requires providing valuable policy guidance and expertise on tough domestic and foreign policy issues. She would have been a priceless go-between for Obama to Congress in the hard battles he faces to get his agenda passed.

    Obama knew this about Hillary. That´s why he shocked his advisors by seriously considering making her his running mate. The two would have been an unbeatable ticket. He desperately needed her foreign policy expertise to deal with the hot button issues of Iran and North Korea’s nukes, improving relations with Venezuela and Cuba, keeping Russia and China at bay, negotiating settlements in the Middle East conflict, and dealing with two flawed and failed wars. He also needed to neutralize her as the only Democrat who still posed any real threat to his 2012 reelection bid. Obama wasted no time in tapping her to head the State Department.

    After the Gallup survey that showed she far outshone Obama with the general public, Clinton again proved her iron loyalty to Obama and the Democratic Party by quickly scotching any talk about running for president in 2012. This wasn’t Bill talking. This was Hillary talking. Obama’s initial instincts to consider her for Vice President were right. Hillary would have made a terrific Vice President–Bill notwithstanding.

    Earl Ofari Hutchinson is an author and political analyst. His forthcoming book, How Obama Governed: The Year of Crisis and Challenge (Middle Passage Press) will be released in January, 2010.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/hillary-would-have-made-a_b_341502.html

  53. White House’s Media Attacks Part of a Troubling Trend

    By Lachlan Markay
    November 1, 2009

    The White House is taking it upon itself to police the news media. The trend started of course with the Fox News Channel, but the administration has moved on to bash other organizations, most recently the Associated Press and car site Edmunds.com. It seems to believe that any criticism of its policies is worth attacking.

    The White House claims, in the words of Valerie Jarret, that it will go after any organization that “spreads false news.” But the attacks suggest that the administration will take on any outlet that challenges claims designed to further its agenda.

    Edmunds calculated the number of cars purchased during the Cash for Clunkers program that would have been purchased without the rebates. The site determined that C4C had incentivized the purchases of only 125,000 automobiles, meaning taxpayers paid $24,000 per car purchase under the program.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2009/11/01/white-houses-media-attacks-part-troubling-trend

  54. curiosityhasme
    November 1st, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    So Dede Scozzafava is now supporting Obama’s handpicked Democratic candidate, Owens, in NY’s 23rd District. Like Gomer Pyle would say “Surprise, surprise, surprise!” When those of us cynical politicaljunkies state that there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the two parties – THIS is exactly what we are talking about. The only moderate with any sense is Hillary. Otherwise, hope the Conservatives knock all three races on Tues. Nov. 3rd, out of the ballpark. PUMA revenge? You betcha!

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    Theres one i cannot stand in politics is a slippery liar. You cannot run on a republican ticket and then turn around 1 day later and back the dem and vice versa, its say that your character is that you cannot be trusted. Frankly if I was the voters i’d be furious, its what specter did, went with whoever offered the best deal and i’m betting she’s been offered to be dropped into a safe seat and the stupid woman bought it. She’ll learn she’ll be persona non grata after Tuesday. As for Dems they wont trust her and the republicans should strip her of membership.

    The republican rino leadership is getting the lesson that people are not going to take this anymore of lying politicians.

  55. Instead of being praised fro calling the PA to return to the peace talks, most headlines, like on Fox and others are like ‘Is Clinton undermining Middle East Peace Talks”. Finally, some positive support for Israels concessions, and she is now being held out like the caus4e of the stalled process. That was BO’s fault by unrealistically calling for a complete settlemt halt knowing full well Israel would/could not do so. It gave the PA a cover to say we won’t return to the process(nor g-d forbid recognize Israel as a Jewish State) until ALL settlement activity stops. Obama now using Hillary as the bad guy so he does not appear to offends his Arab/Muslim breathren.

  56. This is just crazy calling Hillary’s comments to other country’s as undermining the peace process, BS, I think most people are finally glad someone said NO to these Palestinians.

    The true question is is WHY are they now letting her speak her mind when they never have in the past??

  57. What I’ve seen is that some comments are about Hillary and undermining a non-existant peace process, but just as many have the Arabs pointing the finger at obama and how disappointed they are in him not keeping a promise, in my humble but angry opinion, he should never have made in the first place.

  58. Did the news here in the states cover Bill Clinton’s statue in Kosovo?? I think it is truly amazing. H.Bush had a tile doormat made by Sadaam Hussein, that is the usual for an American President, not a statue.

  59. Bill Clinton unveils statue of himself in Kosovo

    Thousands of ethnic Albanians braved low temperatures and a cold wind in Kosovo’s capital Pristina to watch Bill Clinton, the former US president, unveil a golden statue of himself on Sunday.

    01 November 2009

    The 11-foot statue, dedicated to the US president to thank him for launching a Nato bombing campaign to halt the killing of ethnic Albanians by Serbian troops in 1999, sits on a boulevard also named for Mr Clinton.

    “I am profoundly grateful that I had a chance to be a part of ending the horrible things that were happening to you 10 years ago, giving you a chance to build a better future for yourself,” Mr Clinton told the crowd.

    “I never expected … anywhere someone will make such a big statue of me,” he said after the statue was unveiled. He urged Kosovars to build a multi-ethnic country with the minority Serbs and other minorities and said the United States would always help Kosovo’s people.

    Kosovo declared independence from Serbia last year and was recognised by the United States and major European Union powers – a total of 62 countries worldwide – but not by its former ruler, Serbia, Russia or China.

    Kosovo Albanians regard Mr Clinton, Tony Blair and Madeleine Albright, Mr Clinton’s Secretary of State, as their saviours and have even named babies after them.

    “In 1996 everybody was saying that Clinton is a good man and he will help us and then my father named me after him,” said 13-year-old Klinton Krasniqi.

    Around 10,000 Albanians were killed as Serb forces moved to wipe out an ethnic Albanian guerrilla force. Eight times that many were expelled to neighbouring Macedonia, Albania and Montenegro.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/kosovo/6481057/Bill-Clinton-unveils-statue-of-himself-in-Kosovo.html

  60. I think Obama is trying to save his Presidency, thats why he is sending Hillary the hawk out there to do the dirtywork. He has no spine. I now in the book “Clinton Tapes”, Hillary remarked several times how the democrats had NO spine, I wonder what she think of the spineless bastard she works for.

  61. confloyd,

    As far as I know it wasn’t mentioned on any American news stations or papers. Just British and Kosovo ones.

    BTW,

    How is your daughter doing?

  62. JanH, Thanks for asking, she is still in the hospital, she can’t seem to keep her saturation rate up without using oxygen. It drops to 90 even when she is sitting on her bed. It is scaring me. My dad had pneumonia last year and he wasn’t in the hospital as long as she has been. She does however have it in both lungs. She hasn’t been back at work long enough to have her insurance or sick time so she is going to have trouble paying her rent if she doesn’t get back to work soon.

    The media never wants to give a Clinton a good news story, they are used for the explosive news stories only. Bill was a great President, better than any dem or rethug in recent history, but not many people want to give him credit for it. I had many doctors tell me Clinton’s good economy was because of Reagon? Gee, he had to fix the economy after Raygun and Bush. Gemme a break!

  63. confloyd-

    With bilateral pneumonia, takes quite some time on IV antiobiotics to knock infection out. Not unusual for O2 Sats to remain in 80’s without oxygen. Pray she responds to treatment and is on multiple antibiotics. If viral pneoumonia, much more difficult to treat. Know you have to be basket case. In Woodlands hospital or Medical Center?

  64. curiosityhasme, She is in her little hospital that she works at. They are doing a good job. She is on several kinds of antibiotics and steroids. I have never had it so I did not know how long it takes to get rid of it. She has been in almost a whole week now, without insurance. I think the county will pay for some of it, but she will have to pay for the rest. She just makes a little over minimum wage. Its a tough break.

  65. Clinton moderates statement on settlements

    By ROBERT BURNS

    MARRAKECH, Morocco — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on Monday moderated her praise for Israel’s offer to restrain, but not stop, its building of settlements in Palestinian areas. She said it falls short of U.S. expectations but would have a “significant and meaningful effect” on limiting the growth of Jewish settlements on land the Palestinians want for their own state.

    On Saturday her praise of Israel’s offer to restrict its settlement activity drew widespread criticism from Arab nations who interpreted it as a softening of the U.S. position on settlements, which stand in the way of a resumption of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

    During a photo-taking session with her Moroccan counterpart, Clinton was asked by a reporter about the Arab reaction, and she responded by reading from a written statement that appeared designed to counter the skepticism about the Obama administration’s views on settlements.

    “Successive American administrations of both parties have opposed Israel’s settlement policy,” she said. “That is absolutely a fact, and the Obama administration’s position on settlements is clear, unequivocal and it has not changed. As the president has said on many occasions, the United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements.”

    She also called on the Israelis to do more to improve “movement and access” for Palestinians and on Israeli security arrangements.
    She added, however, that Israel deserved praise for moving in the right direction.

    “This offer falls short of what we would characterize as our position or what our preference would be,” she added. “But if it is acted upon it will be an unprecedented restriction on settlements and would have a significant and meaningful effect on restraining their growth.”

    Clinton was flying later Monday to the southern-central city of Ouarzazate for an audience with King Mohammed VI. Later she was returning to Marrakech for talks with foreign ministers of several Persian Gulf nations.

    Clinton also was expected to meet separately with Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal, who has rejected U.S. appeals for improved Arab relations with Israel as a way to help restart Middle East peace talks, saying the Jewish state is not interested in a deal.

    After taking office in January, President Barack Obama buoyed Palestinian hopes for progress toward establishing a Palestinian state with his outreach to the Muslim world and an initially tough stance urging a full freeze to all settlement construction.
    But after making little headway with the Israelis in recent months, Clinton urged Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas in a face-to-face meeting in Abu Dhabi on Saturday to renew talks, which broke down late last year, without conditions. Abbas said no, insisting that Israel first halt all settlement activity in the West Bank and east Jerusalem — lands the Palestinians claim for a future state.

    Then, at a joint news conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu late Saturday in Jerusalem, Clinton praised Netanyahu’s offer to curb some settlement construction, saying it was an unprecedented gesture.
    “I believe that the U.S. condones continued settlement expansion,” Palestinian government spokesman Ghassan Khatib said Sunday in a rare public chiding of Washington.

    “Calling for a resumption of negotiations despite continued settlement construction doesn’t help because we have tried this way many times,” Khatib added. “Negotiations are about ending the occupation and settlement expansion is about entrenching the occupation.”

    Palestinians expressed deep disappointment and frustration at Clinton’s words, which signaled a softening of the past U.S. call for a complete freeze on settlement activity. Jordan and Egypt also issued statements Sunday critical of the latest U.S. approach to the settlements issue. Clinton spoke by telephone with Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit.

    Clinton was in Marrakech to attend a regional conference called Forum for the Future, with representatives of nations of the Middle East and North Africa, as well as advanced industrialized countries. It is the final stop on a weeklong journey that began Wednesday in Pakistan.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hb_xc8bPYYb6_iD-QS3XgQAUu1WQD9BNDGA01

  66. JanH
    November 1st, 2009 at 10:59 pm
    confloyd,

    As far as I know it wasn’t mentioned on any American news stations or papers. Just British and Kosovo ones.

    Jan…I did see it on the news yesterday…..I don’t remember which station.

  67. Shades of Arafat’s stupidity…

    ——————–

    Palestinians reject Clinton proposal, then blame U.S., Israel
    Deal would have quietly ended Jewish construction in strategic territories

    November 01, 2009

    By Aaron Klein
    © 2009 WorldNetDaily

    JERUSALEM – Secretary of State Hillary Clinton yesterday offered the Palestinians backing for a halt to Jewish construction in the strategic West Bank and eastern sections of Jerusalem, but the Palestinian Authority refused her proposal.

    At a press conference here today, Clinton publicly endorsed Israel’s view that Jewish construction in the West Bank should not impede resuming negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. The Palestinian Authority had demanded a complete halt to settlement activity in line with previous demands from the Obama administration.

    Palestinian diplomatic sources told WND that Clinton yesterday passed an offer to the Palestinians from Israel that would quietly see a halt to Jewish construction activity in the areas in question without any public declarations on the subject from the U.S. or the Israeli government.

    The Palestinian sources said PA President Mahmoud Abbas rejected Clinton’s proposal, instead demanding a public declaration for a complete halt to settlement activity.

    Still, Clinton gave Abbas a guarantee the U.S. would continue to press Israel in meetings to end Jewish construction in the West Bank and eastern sections of Jerusalem, said the sources.

    While they privately rejected Israel’s proposal, the PA today publicly blamed the U.S. and Israel for stalling the resumption of talks with the Jewish state.

    Abbas spokesman Nabil Abu Rdainah stated, “The negotiations are in a state of paralysis, and the result of Israel’s intransigence and America’s backpedaling is that there is no hope of negotiations on the horizon.”

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu countered by calling on the PA to “get a grip” and drop their construction freeze precondition for restarting talks. The PA never before made such a demand.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=114676

  68. From Yahoo Homepage
    Now we need a statue of Hillary also

    Former President Clinton unveils statue in Kosovo
    Clinton unveils statue of himself
    Reuters – Former U.S. President Bill Clinton speaks in front of his statue in the capital Pristina, PRISTINA, Kosovo – Thousands of ethnic Albanians braved low temperatures and a cold wind in Kosovo’s capital Pristina to welcome former President Bill Clinton on Sunday as he attended the unveiling of an 11-foot (3.5-meter) statue of himself on a key boulevard that also bears his name.

    Clinton is celebrated as a hero by Kosovo’s ethnic Albanian majority for launching NATO’s bombing campaign against Yugoslavia in 1999 that stopped the brutal Serb forces’ crackdown on independence-seeking ethnic Albanians.

    This is his first visit to Kosovo since it declared independence from Serbia last year.

    Many waved American, Albanian and Kosovo flags and chanted “USA!” as the former president climbed on top of a podium with his poster in the background reading “Kosovo honors a hero.”

    Some peeked out of balconies and leaned on window sills to get a better view of Clinton from their apartment blocks.

    To thunderous applause Clinton waved to the crowd as the red cover was pulled off from the statue.

    The statue is placed on top of a white-tiled base, in the middle of a tiny square, surrounded by communist-era buildings.

    “I never expected that anywhere, someone would make such a big statue of me,” Clinton said of the gold-sprayed statue weighing a ton (900 kilograms).

    He also addressed Kosovo’s 120-seat assembly, encouraging them to forgive and move on from the violence of the past.

    The statue portrays Clinton with his left arm raised and holding a portfolio bearing his name and the date when NATO started bombing Yugoslavia, on March. 24, 1999.

    An estimated 10,000 ethnic Albanians were killed during the Kosovo crackdown and about 800,000 were forced out of their homes. They returned home after NATO-led peacekeepers moved in following 78 days of bombing.

    Leta Krasniqi, an ethnic Albanian, said the statue was the best way to express the ethnic Albanians’ gratitude for Clinton’s role in making Kosovo a state.

    “This is a big day,” Krasniqi, 25 said. “I live nearby and I’m really excited that I will be able to see the statue of such a big friend of ours every day.”

    Clinton last visited Kosovo in 2003 when he received an honorary university degree. His first visit was in 1999 — months after some 6,000 U.S. troops were deployed in the NATO-led peacekeeping mission here.

    Some 1,000 American soldiers are still based in Kosovo as part of NATO’s 14,000-strong peacekeeping force.

    Police in Kosovo upped security measures ahead of Bill Clinton’s arrival by adding deploying more traffic police and special police.

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