Pretend Progressives Pretend

Obama bored the nation last night with another rambling mess of pretend words; Big Media skewed polls to pretend the mishmash of words actually had meaning; PINOs continued to pretend something good had happened.

At Big Pink, we’ve seen that movie too.

I can see by your eyes you must be lying
When you think I don’t have a clue
Baby you’re crazy
If you think that you can fool me
Because I’ve seen that movie too

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CNN pimped a poll last night showing Obama gaining ground. The poll sampled way more Dimocrats than Republicans or Independents. The poll is fake:

The audience for the speech appears to be more Democratic than the U.S. population as a whole. Because of this, the results may favor Obama simply because more Democrats than Republicans tune into the speech. The poll surveyed the opinions of people who watched Wednesday night’s speech, and does not reflect the views of all Americans.

Dimocrats sampled amounted to 45%. Republicans sampled amounted to 18%. It’s a fake poll from a fake news organization.

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Fake outrage from fake progressives was also heard throughout the land last night and today. Dimocrats were upset that Obama was booed and called a liar. Dimocrats forgot Obama accused truth-teller Bill Clinton of telling “bald-faced lies” last year. Dimocrats also forgot 2005 when they booed George W. Bush at the State of the Union address.

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But for true pretense can anyone top the PINO Left Talkers? You remember those PINO Left Talkers don’t you? The ones who thought Obama was a new FDR. The ones who said vote for Obama because he is a “media darling”.

The Left Talkers thought turning over the Democratic and the democratic process to Big Media was a smart strategy. What else do those knuckleheads think is “smart”? Continue to “pretend” of course.

We are not making this up. Left Talkers hailed rumpled U.S. Senator Sherrod Brown’s “pretend” tactic as “smart”

Sherrod Brown: Let’s Pretend Obama Committed To The Public Option

This is very smart tactics:

On a conference call with reporters just now, Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) said “[Obama] wants to always be open to ideas…but he sets his standard. [. . . ] The other options don’t even come close to doing it.” Brown’s statement amounts to a belief that Obama has implied a demand for a public option. “I think he laid it out in a way that only a public option will get us where we want to go[,]” [Brown said.]

Good thinking.

That is what the “left” has come to. This is what they call “Good Thinking”. This is what they call “smart tactics”. Pretend Progressives now advocate for pretend politics and a pretend president.

PINOs will continue to pretend they have some integrity left.

PINOs will continue to pretend Obama is anything but an inexperienced, unqualified, race-baiting, boob.

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  1. Jay Cost at RealClearPolitics sums up the waste of time that was last night’s word-a-rama:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2009/09/obama_votes_present.html

    As I said, the key issue appears to be the public option. This is why triggers and co-ops are being discussed. Leaders are looking to water down the public option enough so that the requisite number of moderates can be brought on board, but not so much that the left flank leaves the coalition. If they cannot find some middle ground, they are not going to get a comprehensive reform package – seeing as how they have already lost almost all of the Republican Party.

    With this in mind, here’s the question: what did last night’s speech contribute to finding a solution? I’d say that the answer is nothing. The President (once again) refused to get his hands dirty on this issue. He praised the public option to the hilt, rhetoric intended for the progressives, then he hinted that it could be ditched, rhetoric intended for the moderates. At some point in the policymaking process, a choice will have to be made. It was not made last night, which means that this was a governing opportunity lost.

  2. Jay Cost nails it. A governing opportunity lost is right. But that assumes an intention to govern, as opposed to an intention merely to campaign. The truth is Obama has no clue where the deal is, and is unwilling to force the issue. Its the same old Obama who gave great opening statements in the court room and then was ready to settle on their terms. If you get your hands dirty you need to use soap and soap is an allergen. Use Coco Chanel #5 instead.

  3. wbboei, I am not sure what a mackdaddy is, I might could find out. I imagine its a pimp.
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    Oh. . . . . Thank you.

  4. The expression mack daddy, as it is usually spelled, has a few senses. The earliest one, and the origin, is ‘a man who is a successful pimp.

    Obviously suits Obama down to the ground.

  5. Moon: thank you for the precise definition. It is gratifying to know that Reverend Manning is using the term properly.

  6. Admin:

    Sherrod Brown: Let’s Pretend Obama Committed To The Public Option

    This is very smart tactics:

    On a conference call with reporters just now, Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) said “[Obama] wants to always be open to ideas…but he sets his standard. [. . . ] The other options don’t even come close to doing it.” Brown’s statement amounts to a belief that Obama has implied a demand for a public option. “I think he laid it out in a way that only a public option will get us where we want to go[,]” [Brown said.]

    Good thinking.

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    I think it’s a fair question to ask Obama: When will CNN televise lawmakers creating the Health Care document?

    As was promised during the campaign as a condition of his purported transparency of government when elected. Where voters could witness first hand no side deals made by legislators with Insurers and pharmaceutical companies. The advantage of a LIVE discussion would be calling out Congress if they appear to be favoring Insurers and Big Pharma instead of the public

  7. Just on Yahoo news, Mr. Wilson is having his democratic challenger is making tons on money since Thursday when he called the POTUS a liar. Most of the money that came to the dimocrats purse came from people from the Daily Kos. Marcos has a special page for campaign contributions against the man that called the President a liar.

    You see you just can’t fight this administration or you will pay!

    And we constantly wonder why Hillary has kept her MOUTH shut!!

  8. Great Leaders give direction and decide controversial issues.

    OO is running for re-election not giving direction or deciding anything controversial.

    So I guess that is what hope and change meant, NOTHING, but evasive tactic so he can on DAY ONE run for re-election. Finally we know what experience he has that will allow him to function from day one. HE HAS EXPERIENCE IN FRAUDING AND SOON TO RE-FRAUD HIS ELECTION.

    I feel so much better now that I know what to expect.

  9. I can’t even believe the President is taking only Rahm Emmanuel’s advice on Israel. This is an outrage.

    JanH, Russia is still shipping military stuff to Iran, HOW is this happening?? Its all about OIL. We have one of the largest ever finds here in the gulf of mexico, it will cost alot to get it out and the oil lords won’t make as much money. So they would rather we fight wars to get it out cheaper than pay Americans to get it out because those jobs pay very well. We can’t have that. The Lords must make thousand fold profit on their money.

    Something has to give soon. I hope and pray more people wake up before they take our guns.

  10. The Hill gets it:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/58059-analysis-obama-speech-unlikely-to-be-game-changer

    President Barack Obama’s address to Congress on healthcare reform was short on specifics and long on ideas he and his advisers had already floated this year.

    The historic speech left some liberals wanting more details and conservatives emboldened to torpedo the president’s top domestic priority.

    The big question of the night was how Obama was going to address the public health insurance option, but he largely repeated what he has said for weeks: He supports it, but will sign a bill that does not have it. [snip]

    Still, while the speech once again illustrated the president’s extraordinary oratory skills, it was not a game changer and appears to leave the president with the same quandary: Healthcare has become the pinnacle legislative issue of his first term, but has divided his party in Congress and run into almost universal GOP opposition. Polls suggest Americans are not convinced reform will help their lives and it is unclear whether the legislation Obama seeks will reach his desk.

    Obama was expected to take the wheel on healthcare reform after the Democratic-led Congress drove it into a ditch over the summer, but it did not appear he did so.

    As he as done throughout 2009, Obama is largely deferring to lawmakers on the details. His address drew laughs from Republicans when he said some details still needed to be worked out.

    A Democratic strategist said, “The speech was good, but not transforming,” adding the address “won’t move votes or change what [Obama] called unresolved issues.” [snip]

    The president stressed that the cuts from the existing healthcare system will not hamper quality of care, but Congress has been seeking to reduce Medicare and Medicaid fraud and abuse for decades. Many of those efforts have failed because cutting entitlement programs in the name of fraud has run up against fierce lobbying efforts from industry groups. The last time Congress made wide-ranging healthcare cuts was a dozen years ago in the Balanced Budget Act of 1997.

    Following the speech, House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) said on CNN he is not convinced healthcare reform can be paid for by finding savings in the existing healthcare system. Frank also indicated he is skeptical that there is a better way than the public option to cover the uninsured.

    Obama, who proposed raising taxes on the wealthy to pay for healthcare reform on the campaign trail, did not talk about hiking taxes on individuals. Instead, he said “our healthcare system is placing an unsustainable burden on taxpayers.”

    Some liberals, including Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.), expressed disappointment that Obama was not more explicit on the public option. Other Democrats spun the president’s comments to suggest the public option is very much alive and could be in final bill.

    Obama did reach out to Republicans with a scaled-back offer on medical malpractice reform. However, this idea was not new. He floated a similar olive branch months ago, but Democrats on Capitol Hill didn’t bite. Trial lawyers are strongly opposed to medical liability reform and thwarted it during George W. Bush’s administration.

    Yet, even on Obama’s concessions to the GOP, the president’s stopped short of offering the kind of specifics that would attract Republican support.

    The partisan congressional reaction to the speech was predictable. Perhaps more importantly, it was an indication that Congress is not ready to stop bickering. And Obama’s calling on lawmakers to behave differently is also an acknowledgement that, like his predecessor, he has not significantly changed the partisan tone of Washington.[snip]

    Before the speech, it was unclear if the House healthcare bill that will hit the floor will have a public option. And it appeared that the public option in the Senate was all but dead. After the speech, there are still many unanswered questions on how Congress will proceed.

  11. Definitely a waste of airtime last night, a waste of money. Obama the Needy was desperate for a lovefest. He was shaking in his boots all summer. meme looked washed out, annoyed at having to be among the peasants, and dressed in a color most unbecoming to her. Pelosi and Reid had their idiot strings on again.

    Excellent, Admin. Short, meaningful, and definitely sweet.

  12. admin Says:

    September 10th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
    The Hill gets it:

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    BO is voting present, once again.

  13. I love going to the facebooks of my dims friends and see them lie that this was a good speech, and how we should get on with it.

  14. confloyd,

    Most country leaders are laughing behind bambi’s back and talking out of both sides of their mouths when it comes to making promises to him. Russia isn’t about to let an inexperienced idiot like bambi dictate what they are going to do. Iran isn’t going to pay any attention to him. Chavez is mocking him. Ghadafi is likely to put a hex on the U.S. because of him.

    A recent poll shows that the European public are still in love with obama. I don’t think that message has infiltrated their governments.

  15. JanH

    If the European Public is still in love with OO, then let them have him. We will make the sacrifice, pay for the plane ticket, and the movement of House Hold Goods. How quickly can we get him over there.

    After all those countries have already decided the public option.

  16. With every passing day I am convinced that America is under seige by a black muslim army led by an enemy in our midst that stole our political process with a combination of lies false voting means and the fear that his race card has imposed on our citizens. All this came about with the backing of greedy crooked and evil political office holders.THe scenario that now confronts us is no place for Hillary standing alone against MSM and corporate theives who got the perfect patsy to do their bidding.Hillary must get out as soon as she completes her commitments to meet with world leaders and after the close of BO’s first year.The FDR award will be her crown jewel and at that time the country will realize that the black tide that BO organized must be stopped.Vote everyone out of office that have llicked his boots and kissed his b— and has deystroyed our country for many years to come.This medicine man MUST BE STOPPED.
    Bill and Hillary wil choose the correct time to make her move and as governor of NY she will survive to come back another day to revive the country they love so much while the jackals in congress are no longer of any value in our lives.Please save yourself Hillary to come back another day for love of country.

    By ABM91 H1V1 is like a mild headache compared to the infestation of the black and white tide that has engulfed us led by an incompetent
    egomaniac.

  17. CNN…how sad and pathetic for how far it has fallen…when I think back to CNN during its beginning and TT days and where it is now…but none of us are surprised – we saw the blatant fraud CNN had become during the primaries…still who would think they would be so obvious with that silly fake poll…and btw…MSNBC and Huffy Post were pushing that poll…they are so desperate and deceptive…and such liars…

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    …on to the question of whether or not O knows what he is doing with health reform…I have come to the conclusion that O and RE know exactly what they are doing and have accomplished their tasks…they have struck their deals with the devils…the drug co are covered and out of negotiations and they have taken care of the other devil – the insurance co – with O’s mandate…the insurance co get thousands of new, forced customers… ca – ching$$$

    …that’s it…if O accomplishes those two things then for O and his insiders, he has succeeded and whatever other ‘reforms’ can be attached fine…and in the rare instance that actual people and ‘patients’ should benefit…ok, fine, whatever…

    O is finished…his job is done…he has paid back the pipers…he has the corporation’s back, just like he covered the banks, all part of the same game (and tough luck, the taxpayers will not see any of those billions given to GM)…now he just needs Congress to throw something together named ‘health reform’ to complete his mission and push this all through…and watch stocks go up for drug and insurance co

    …the only silver lining possible is that O alienates all sides and he ends up with nothing…except maybe a challenger in 2012…

    because we are going to get screwed big time otherwise…

  18. NewMexicoFan Says:

    September 10th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

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    LOL…I’ll even pack him a lunch bag for the trip.

  19. S, I am waiting for the speech when he tells the American people that there is NO more dollar. Its falling, the UN wants a new currency. Its coming and soooon!

    Obama is doing exactly what they hired him to do. He is here to bankrupt the country, give us fake healthcare to get rid of medicare. He will use social security funds to pay for it and therefore he will break SS. Its a plan and its happening as the Lords want it too.

  20. Here-here, ABM90 Obama’s hidden agenda even the Democrats and the Republicans that elected him don’t know about.

    Also, Joe Wilson is being hailed a hero in home town for his bravery in calling out Obama as a Liar. He may not have as much money as his (D) opponent but it’s the people and the voters that matter. There are 2 more months before the mid-terms, Obama’s numbers will continue to fall and be seen as a favorable sign for Wilson’s re-election.

  21. S Says:

    September 10th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

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    Geez…just give him his own bloody game show and be done with it.

  22. Confloyd, I could have been more concise and just said:

    O bails out the Drug and Insurance companies and sells out the american people…

    that’s the bottom line..I hope whatever shred of ‘progressive’ is left in the PINOS come to their senses and just say ‘no’ and defeat this monstrosity…that would be something – a coalition of the ‘progressives’ and republicans – unite, for different reasons – but put the kabosh on the corporations

    these are strange times…

  23. JanH, There’s an interesting article at Lamecherry.blogspot.com about Netanyuhu and where he was for those 10 hours. I don’t know for sure if he was in Russia, but that is what the Israeli Insider says. Have you seen anything concrete about his whereabouts?? I know we have found that there were weapons on that lost ship. The weapons were from Russia and headed to Iran.

  24. S, It sure is very strange times… Alot happening around the world….. Bo’s ass is right in the middle of it, so it makes you wonder what his real mission is, but we know its to desecrate America.

  25. ABM.
    Well put and I agree. It’s countdown time for HRC as SOS.

    I knew from the beginning of Bush’s presidency that he was a fraud just looking for any excuse to drag us back to war. I never supported the Iraq invasion although once the troops were there I did support them. But at least I never felt like GWB was waging war against us.

    That’s not how I feel about BoBo. He is waging war against us and it’s pretty scary.

  26. confloyd,

    I know I read somewhere today that Israel had now admitted that Netanyahu was indeed in Russia. I’m not sure what the secrecy was about or what the purpose of the visit was though.

  27. So it was a trip to persuade the Russians to stop the sale. That makes sense to me. It would have to be secret given the uproar that would have taken place in Iran and the other Arab nations.

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    Netanyahu visits Moscow in secret to obstruct Iran missile sale

    guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/11/netanyahu-missiles-iran-israel-russia

  28. Janh, Russia was caught redhanded shipping weapons to Iran. You would think the media would be full of this stuff, but No. I just can’t figure it out. During the Bay of Pigs, it was on the news every night and kept most the kids scared all the time, at least it did me. My parents watched and discussed it all the time. All I did was worry about my horse and my dog. They won’t let the animals in the fall out shelter that was in the middle of town.

  29. And I guess it hasn’t gone over well that he denied going in the first place. The Israeli newspapers are all over this.

  30. Obama’s Health Care Plan: Put Up And Shut Up:
    The president’s speech was the policy equivalent of the middle finger.

    Shikha Dalmia,
    09.10.09

    For several months now, the American people–as if exhorted by the ghost of William F. Buckley (no particular hero of mine)–have been standing athwart the Democratic agenda of socialized medicine, yelling, “Stop!” But President Barack Obama showed them the policy equivalent of the middle finger Wednesday night.

    If there was anything bipartisan about the speech it was that he embraced every bad big-government idea from both sides. If he prevails, the American public won’t get “choice and competition” as he proclaimed, but a one-size-fits-all government-prescribed health care plan that it dare not refuse and dare not challenge.

    Perhaps the most striking–and disturbing–thing about the speech was the unblinking confidence Obama exuded while breaking key campaign promises he made to voters. He had raked poor Hillary Clinton over the coals for admitting that her road to universal coverage was paved with an individual mandate. “Everyone would be forced to buy coverage, even if you can’t afford it,” warned Obama in an ad. “You pay a penalty if you don’t.”

    Yet, there he was last night scolding “individuals who can afford coverage but game the system by avoiding responsibility.” Never mind that the prime gamers are not the uninsured (whose unpaid bills cost “the system” less than $40 billion every year) but the underinsured covered by Medicare and Medicaid (whom private insurers cross-subsidize to the tune of over $90 billion annually because the government refuses to pay the full cost of their care). Still, he hectored: “Improving our health care system works only if everybody does their part.”

    Obama didn’t say exactly how he would make “everyone do their part”–a question he posed repeatedly to Hillary. But his buddy Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., has some rather well-developed ideas on that score. Baucus has proposed a bill that would force the uninsured to pay fines on a sliding scale of income, with those making 300% of the poverty level having to cough up as much as $3,800 a year. In short, Americans would have to pay Uncle Sam for the privilege of remaining uninsured. If there were truth-in-labeling laws for Congress, it would be required to call this bill TonySopranoCare.

    Which brings us to the second promise Obama broke Wednesday night: That he would impose no new taxes on anyone making less than $250,000. The penalties that the uninsured–all of whom, I would wager my grandma’s life support, make under $250,000–would face are certainly a tax.

    He also endorsed a business tax–err, fee–on employers who don’t provide adequate coverage that, under a House bill, would be about 8 % of payroll. They will pass this on to their employees in lower wages. And he signed up for an excise tax on high-end insurance plans–many of which are enjoyed by plain union folk, not those rich and famous making over $250,000. Under the Baucus bill, this tax would be as much as 35% of the cost of the plan. One would have thought that if the shame of breaking an explicit promise didn’t prevent Obama from imposing this last tax, then the logical absurdity of trying to reduce soaring insurance costs by taxing insurance plans would.

    It gets worse. In exchange for these bitter tax pills, Obama promised Americans would get eternal health care “security and stability.” To deliver that, he would of course ban insurance companies from denying coverage to those with pre-existing conditions–tantamount to forcing fire insurance companies to write coverage on a burning building. He would also prohibit insurers from putting any limits on the coverage they offer and cap what they can require patients to pay out-of-pocket.

    In other words, Obama would encourage unlimited health care consumption by patients while eliminating the last vestige of price consciousness. But the reason America is facing unsustainable health care cost increases is precisely because its third-party system of insurance doesn’t encourage prudent consumption by patients. Indeed, if Obama really can tame health care costs by making patients even less cost-conscious, I have an even better idea for him: Simply pass a law banning anyone from falling sick and mandate good health for all. If he can suspend the laws of economics, perhaps he can also transcend the laws of physiology.

    The fact of the matter is that not too many health care underwriters will survive such crippling mandates. Many of them will fold, causing further consolidation in the insurance marketplace–not more competition and choice. Last night the president declared–in the spirit of grand compromise–that he would be willing to wait a few years to give private insurers a chance to make more affordable plans available to all Americans. Only if they fail would the so-called public option, the government-run insurance plan so beloved of the left, be triggered. But that’s a rigged deal: The same legislation that sets up the trigger is putting in place the conditions that will eventually pull it. Obama is not backing off on his goal of eliminating private insurance–only offering a brief deferment.

    The one Republican idea that Obama did endorse–caps on medical malpractice awards or tort reform–will actually hurt rather than help patient choice. Big medicine has long blamed the unnecessary tests and procedures these awards encourage for rising health care costs. But several studies have shown that this so-called practice of defensive medicine is a smaller driver of costs than excess physician salaries. By capping these awards, Obama will leave patients even less recourse against physician negligence–hardly the American way.

    Obama lambasted the critics who claim his reform plan amounts to a government takeover of the health care system. But the plan he laid out Wednesday night will control every aspect of the medical transaction. It will tell patients when, what and how much coverage they must buy; it will tell sellers when, what and how much coverage they must sell. This is not a government takeover of health care? Then Tony Soprano is just a decent, hard-working businessman.

    Shikha Dalmia is a senior analyst at ReasonFoundation and a biweekly Forbes columnist.

    forbes.com/2009/09/10/health-care-speech-obama-economics-opinions-columnists-shikha-dalmia.html

  31. You got to be kidding me, another fucking speech.

    Whats he gonna do now, teleprompter us to death.

    He really does not get the term overexposed, does he.

  32. BAMBI AT BAT ON HEALTH CARE

    Then from five thousand throats and more there rose a lusty yell;
    It rumbled through the valley, it rattled up from hell;
    It pounded down on Congress and recoiled upon the flat,
    For Bambi, The Messiah Mine, was advancing to the bat.

    There was ease in Bambi’s manner as he stepped into his place;
    There was pride in Bambino’s bearing and a smile lit Bambi’s face.
    And when, responding to the cheers, he lightly doffed his hat,
    No stranger in the crowd could doubt ’twas Bambi at the bat.

    Big Media adoring glance was on him as he rubbed his hands with dirt.
    Olbertstrumfuerer applauded when he wiped them on his shirt.
    Then while the writhing pitcher ground the ball into his hip,
    Defiance flashed in Bambi’s eye, a sneer curled Mussolini’s lip.

    And now the leather-covered sphere came hurtling through the air,
    And Bambi stood a-watching it in haughty grandeur there.
    Close by the sturdy batsman the house health proposal unheeded sped
    “That ain’t my style,” said Bambi. “Strike one!” the umpire said.

    From the benches, black with bots, there went up a muffled roar,
    Like the beating of the storm-waves on a stern and distant shore;
    “Kill him! Kill the umpire!” shouted some one on the stand;
    And it’s likely they’d have killed him had not Bambi raised his hand.

    With a smile of Christian charity great Bambi’s visage shone;
    He stilled the rising tumult; he bade the game go on;
    He signaled to the pitcher, and the senate health proposal flew;
    But Bambi still ignored it, and the umpire said “Strike two!”

    “Fraud!” cried bots, move on and acorn, and echo answered “Fraud!”
    But one scornful look from Bambu and the audience was awed.
    They saw his face grow stern and cold, they saw his Mussolini strain,
    And they knew that Bambi wouldn’t let that ball go by again.

    The sneer has fled from Bambi’s lip, the the nose was raised in hate;
    He pounds with cruel violence his bat upon the plate.
    And now the pitcher Walprin holds the ball, and now he lets it go,
    And now the air is shattered by the Joe Bambis errant blow!

    Oh, somewhere in the Kenyan Jungle the sun is shining bright,
    The bots is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
    And somewhere men are laughing, and little children shout;
    But there is no joy in Botsville — mighty Bambi has struck out.

  33. So it was a trip to persuade the Russians to stop the sale. That makes sense to me. It would have to be secret given the uproar that would have taken place in Iran and the other Arab nations.
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    In the past the United States would have been the one to intercede on Israels behalf in such negotiations with Russia. Yet here Israel did it on its own. That tells me they do not trust Mr. Obama.

  34. Dennis Ross, Bill Burns, Berman talk Iran with Jewish leaders conference (UPDATED)

    Reporters were escorted out of the room at Washington’s 6th and I Streets Historic synagogue this morning before NSC uber Middle East strategist Dennis Ross addressed some 300 Jewish leaders attending a conference on Iran today.

    Also officially off the record were the remarks of the U.S. government’s point man on Iran nuclear negotiations, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs William Burns.

    But reporters could apparently hear their remarks over the public address system from the hallway (this reporter wasn’t there). And, honestly, it’s hard to believe they expected their remarks to a conference of 300 activists advocating a harder line on Iran to stay close-hold, and no doubt were prepared with just that in mind (classification: “distribute widely/send”).

    Essentially, Ross and Burns both reiterated that the administration’s objective is to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons, the conference was told. The administration’s strategy has been “engagement without illusions.” But the President will take stock in September and revisit further at year’s end, as indeed Obama said publicly in his remarks in May with visiting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The administration is engaging countries around the globe to help the effort. Burns did say they are starting the planning of the tough sanctions steps now, so that if and when the President decides to take that decision, they are ready to go.

    None of this of course hasn’t been publicly said by administration officials many times before. (“Not much new,” one Iran hand said. “Just an overview of the policy.”) But the Obama administration is trying to explain its policy, strategy, thinking and time-line to this important audience.

    As previously reported, Burns is due to hold a conference call with fellow political directors of the so-called P5+1 international group of the US, UK, France, Germany, China and Russia, which received Iran’s official nuke talks response yesterday.

    And key Congress members are promising to move forward with U.S. sanctions legislation designed to keep up the pressure as the administration negotiates possible increased international sanctions targeting Iran with other nations. House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Howard Berman (D-CA) told the National Jewish Leadership Advocacy Day on Iran, that “absent compelling evidence, I will mark up the Iran sanctions legislation next month,” one attendee relayed. (Here’s a link to Berman’s full remarks: “President Obama has made a good-faith effort to engage the Iranians, he said. “Having tried engagement, I believe we will be in a much stronger position to maximize our ability to obtain crippling sanctions because of our sincere effort to engage. I don’t know if our approach will win over Russia and China — perhaps not — but it certainly gives us a chance to get the support for those kinds of sanctions from the Europeans.”)

    Today’s Iran conference by a coalition of Jewish groups, including the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, and the UJC/Federations of North America, comes in advance of the United Nations General Assembly opening session events in New York later this month, at which international powers plan to discuss whether additional international sanctions should be imposed on Iran.

    Also addressing today’s conference: House members Rep. John Boehner (R-OH), Eric Cantor (R-VA), Steny Hoyer (D-MD) and Nita Lowey (D-NY).

    “The speakers were all about ‘it’s time to get the wheels of tough sanctions turning,'” the attendee said. “There were questioners who raised whether at the end of the day, Congress/Admin will support U.S. or Israeli military action. The answers were consistently ‘all options are on the table.'”

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    If any change happens in Iran, it will have to come from within. We all know that it is an Islamic fascist police state, and that the election “results” were a total fraud. I doubt that they are seriously interested in negotiating with us, and that’s just as well. If there are any sanctions, I wish they could be designed to do maximum damage to the regime, and minimum damage to the democratic reform movement in that country.

    Posted By: Michael C. McHugh | September 10, 2009 at 02:03 PM
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    Obama’s game plan regarding Iran has waisted 8 month if, in fact, his administration ever had a plan. Let’s hope the outcome of this is not further appeasement of the Mullahs in Tehran.

    Posted By: Martin Gray | September 10, 2009 at 05:03 PM
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    Michael- well-said and I totally agree. Sanctions sound good but who do they ultimately hurt- the regime? Or the people wearing green that just a little while ago we had so much empathy for? And the same goes for military action. Haven’t we learned when we unleash bombs in the Middle East we generally undermine more liberal democracy movements in places like Iran and Egypt. Given that (and the fact that no one seems to know what exactly would happen *after* a military strike by the US and/or Israel), one has to wonder what is the real agenda of the hawks in Congress and at the think tanks? I also remember this article in Foreign Policy, about why tough sanctions against Iran are likely to not work: http://experts.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/03/03/why_sanctions_wont_work

    Posted By: Stacy (Secy Clinton Blog) | September 10, 2009 at 05:12 PM
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    Let Netanyahu handle this! It’s Israel that’s in harm’s way. Not us! Obama doesn’t have the cojones to what needs to be done. If that means Benny drops the BIG ONE, so be it! There’s NOTHING that would ‘make my day’ like turning on HLN and seeing half a dozen MUSHROOM CLOUDS over Persia! A ‘camel barbecue’! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Posted By: jeffmojo | September 10, 2009 at 06:48 PM

  35. I personally like the term i was thinking of earlier and some other terms for ads i heard lately from people.

    1 : Obamacouldntcare……..less.

    2 : Killing you the Chicago way.

    3 : Obama says take a pill and chill………………in the morgue.

    4 : I’m ringing from the hospital to give you your appt for surgery, are you available Jan 22nd 2020.

    and the best suggestion for an ad ever.

    Q :How many Democrats does it take to fix healthcare?

    A : 1, her name was Hillary Clinton but you guys blew it in Nov.

  36. Here is more stuff on Israel from Politco, I am reposting I messed up the other one and its in moderation.
    Dennis Ross, Bill Burns, Berman talk Iran with Jewish leaders conference (UPDATED)

    Reporters were escorted out of the room at Washington’s 6th and I Streets Historic synagogue this morning before NSC uber Middle East strategist Dennis Ross addressed some 300 Jewish leaders attending a conference on Iran today.

    Also officially off the record were the remarks of the U.S. government’s point man on Iran nuclear negotiations, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs William Burns.

    But reporters could apparently hear their remarks over the public address system from the hallway (this reporter wasn’t there). And, honestly, it’s hard to believe they expected their remarks to a conference of 300 activists advocating a harder line on Iran to stay close-hold, and no doubt were prepared with just that in mind (classification: “distribute widely/send”).

    Essentially, Ross and Burns both reiterated that the administration’s objective is to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons, the conference was told. The administration’s strategy has been “engagement without illusions.” But the President will take stock in September and revisit further at year’s end, as indeed Obama said publicly in his remarks in May with visiting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The administration is engaging countries around the globe to help the effort. Burns did say they are starting the planning of the tough sanctions steps now, so that if and when the President decides to take that decision, they are ready to go.

    None of this of course hasn’t been publicly said by administration officials many times before. (“Not much new,” one Iran hand said. “Just an overview of the policy.”) But the Obama administration is trying to explain its policy, strategy, thinking and time-line to this important audience.

    As previously reported, Burns is due to hold a conference call with fellow political directors of the so-called P5+1 international group of the US, UK, France, Germany, China and Russia, which received Iran’s official nuke talks response yesterday.

    And key Congress members are promising to move forward with U.S. sanctions legislation designed to keep up the pressure as the administration negotiates possible increased international sanctions targeting Iran with other nations. House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Howard Berman (D-CA) told the National Jewish Leadership Advocacy Day on Iran, that “absent compelling evidence, I will mark up the Iran sanctions legislation next month,” one attendee relayed. (Here’s a link to Berman’s full remarks: “President Obama has made a good-faith effort to engage the Iranians, he said. “Having tried engagement, I believe we will be in a much stronger position to maximize our ability to obtain crippling sanctions because of our sincere effort to engage. I don’t know if our approach will win over Russia and China — perhaps not — but it certainly gives us a chance to get the support for those kinds of sanctions from the Europeans.”)

    Today’s Iran conference by a coalition of Jewish groups, including the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, and the UJC/Federations of North America, comes in advance of the United Nations General Assembly opening session events in New York later this month, at which international powers plan to discuss whether additional international sanctions should be imposed on Iran.

    Also addressing today’s conference: House members Rep. John Boehner (R-OH), Eric Cantor (R-VA), Steny Hoyer (D-MD) and Nita Lowey (D-NY).

    “The speakers were all about ‘it’s time to get the wheels of tough sanctions turning,'” the attendee said. “There were questioners who raised whether at the end of the day, Congress/Admin will support U.S. or Israeli military action. The answers were consistently ‘all options are on the table.'”

    By Laura Rozen 11:42 A

  37. Jan H, I know, I hope the IDF goes ahead and takes out the facility ASAP. I think this is the only way. There will be loss of life, however it would be smaller than it would be if Iran is allowed to get a Nuclear weapon especially since Russia has given them a way to deploy them.

  38. Well, BO is going to be on 60 Minutes this week, and he is giving another speech on the financial situation on Monday. I guess the networks aren’t sick of him using up expensive air time. Seems like he is trying to bump himself up in the polls.

  39. Apparently Ahdinejad is not invited to the reception of world leaders during the UN general assembly. Well I wonder who is, Khadafi, Chavez and the rest of the cartel of Socialists.

    Apparently the Rethugs are happy about this and of coarse I am too, but come to think of it we would have Obama without the Rethugs help.
    We must remember all those western states that had caucasses, they all went for Obama because of the rethugs. As far as I am concerned the republicans are responsible for this mess too.

  40. NewMexicoFan Says:

    September 10th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
    I am excited about all of the appearances. We can have live conversations going again. Yes!!!
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    I pity the poor souls that have to watch it, but the pbp is fun.

  41. JanH Says:

    September 10th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
    Obama’s Health Care Plan: Put Up And Shut Up:
    The president’s speech was the policy equivalent of the middle finger.

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    good article Jan…btw…just happened to catch Dr Andrew Weil on Larry King and he dissed the whole Obama approach…he says there is nothing in what is being discussed that is going to really improve the ‘health’ of people…the whole approach is wrong and subsidizing the drug co and insurance co is the wrong way to go…he says ‘health’ is not an industry or for profit, that the relationship between medicine, doctors and patients has to be redirected…he went on and on…he is not a big supporter of total reliance and dependence on drugs for cures (neither am I) worth watching if you can catch the repeat or admin can find a utube clip

    btw…Weil followed Carville and a female repub strategist (forgot her name, think it is Nancy P, attractive and reasonable) anyway, I know James has to tow the party line…but when it is so dishonest and fake it is disturbing coming out of him…things are really getting bad when I start agreeing with his wife Mary and want to tell him to SU…very disappointing

    it really feels more and more by the day that the dems are honestly out for a power grab and their plans for ‘health reform’ have little to do with health, but more about keeping the drug and insurance campaign contributions for themselves and just manipulating us…

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    moononpluto Says:

    September 10th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
    You got to be kidding me, another fucking speech.

    Whats he gonna do now, teleprompter us to death.

    He really does not get the term overexposed, does he.

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    moononpluto…it gets worse…O is going on a ‘blitz’ and will be on 60 minutes sun eve…

    he just never gets tired of himself…he knows no bounds…remember years ago a psychiatrist, Dr. justin frank wrote a book called ‘bush on the couch’
    I would really like to see some objective and honest experts come forward and analyze this guy…I cannot believe how the MSM used to criticize Bill Clinton for his ego and they do not say a peep about the ego on this man…outrageous

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    I know we all are pretty much in agreement about the MSM, but it is getting really, really bad…not a word about this acorn bust on cnn or msnbc…gossip channels…both are heavily covering Wilson but not a word about Acorn, NEA, alex jones, until after he resigned…no discussion about his past…same with newspapers…frankly, if not for FOX there would be a complete blackout of anything negative or critical of O…makes you think something Chavezian is going on…this hero worship is sick…dangerous…
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    there is an interesting post over at Hillbuzz re: chicago and the corruption, etc

    I could not resist bringing part of one of the comments here, there is more there, she says:

    Thanks Ray for pointing out to America (those who will listen) what Obama did not do for us here in Illinois when he had the chance. It worked for him here in Illnois, so to speak, why bother to change courses when in Washington? I am sure he is counting the days until he and his wife can get on the “teleprompter speech circuit” that ex-presidents do and stop all this muss and fuss he has to go through pretending to be president and pretending to care about anything that concerns us.

  42. wbboei, here is that link to that Islamic site that is coming to capital on the 24th.
    h t t p : / /i slamon capitolhill .com/Home_Page.html

  43. I got caught in spam filter…too long to duplicate, but suffice to say
    good article Jan…

    essentially the dems are going for a power grab and to keep drug co and insurance co campaign contributions coming THEIR way, not to repubs…health reform has nothing to do with us…it is all about manipulating and controlling us…

    Dr Andrew Weil on LK dissed Obama’s approach to health; called it all wrong and won’t help…worth watching if you can catch repeat or see on utube

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    moon…it’s worse than we can stand…O on another blitz and on 60 mins sunday
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    interesting comments over at hillbuzz about chicago corruption, part of one says:

    Thanks Ray for pointing out to America (those who will listen) what Obama did not do for us here in Illinois when he had the chance. It worked for him here in Illnois, so to speak, why bother to change courses when in Washington? I am sure he is counting the days until he and his wife can get on the “teleprompter speech circuit” that ex-presidents do and stop all this muss and fuss he has to go through pretending to be president and pretending to care about anything that concerns us.

  44. And yes obama is going to use his stature (corrupt as it already is) to push Chicago’s Olympic bid. Apparently he is hosting an event on this very issue at the WH in the near future.

  45. I am going to bed, there will be a new day tomorrow to keep fighting for our country.

    Janh, I think things are happening pretty fast with the Iran/Israel problem. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Israel take out the facility SOON.

  46. I JUST GOT THIS IN AN EMAIL, THEY ARE GOING AFTER LOU DOBBS BIGTIME. THIS IS IN THE DIMS COMMUNITY.
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    CNN’s Lou Dobbs problem just got a whole lot worse.

    On September 15 and 16, Dobbs is scheduled to broadcast his radio show from Capitol Hill as a leading voice of the annual “Hold Their Feet to the Fire” legislative advocacy conference and rally sponsored by the rabidly anti-immigrant organization Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).

    Founded by a man with a history of espousing racist beliefs and who remains on its board, FAIR is labeled as a “hate group” by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Dobbs’ participation — and, through him, CNN’s — will bestow mainstream legitimacy on the rally and on FAIR, something FAIR recognizes and is bragging about to its members.

    Dobbs must not be allowed to participate in this event. Email CNN and ask them to stop Dobbs:

    http://mediamatters.org/stopdobbs

    CNN’s association with FAIR through Dobbs is a major stain on an organization that calls itself “the most trusted name in news.” FAIR was founded by John Tanton, a man who has a long history of making racist statements. In 1986, Tanton reportedly wrote: “As Whites see their power and control over their lives declining, will they simply go quietly into the night?” In 2001, Tanton even praised the work of John Trevor, a notorious Nazi sympathizer, saying his work should form “a guidepost to what we must follow again this time.”

    FAIR has been sharply criticized in the past for funding racially charged ads, including several in 2004 targeting former Democratic Rep. Martin Frost and former Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel that featured dark-skinned men loitering on street corners and running from the police. In an editorial, the Lincoln (Nebraska) Journal Star called the ads “trash” that “incite hate,” “play upon stereotypical racial fears,” and “are full of half-truths and lies.”

    And yet, rather than denouncing the group, Dobbs is scheduled to be a leading voice at the upcoming FAIR rally. What’s more, his CNN show has cited FAIR as a credible source on immigration issues no fewer than six times in the last year. Email CNN and ask them to stop Dobbs from participating in the event:

    http://mediamatters.org/stopdobbs

    As Media Matters has highlighted repeatedly, Dobbs represents an ongoing threat to CNN’s credibility as a serious news organization, in no small part because of his one-sided and error-prone coverage of immigration issues and his continued use of his CNN show to lend prominence to hatemongering groups like FAIR. The attention and legitimacy he gave to the racially charged “birther” movement — and CNN’s support for his actions — did even greater damage to that credibility. But the consequences of his participation in the upcoming FAIR rally would be far worse. It would officially put CNN on the side not of credible journalism, but of a hate group.

    Email CNN and ask them to stop Dobbs from participating in the event:

    http://mediamatters.org/stopdobbs

    Thank you for your continued help in holding CNN accountable.

    Sincerely,

    Eric Burns
    President,

  47. Joe Wilson is a great American. His outburst forced the democrats to close a multi billion dollar loophole and prevent them from shafting the American taxpayers to advance their narrow political interests. He deserves a promotion. Racist Clyburn the scourge of the South Carolina hates attacked the Clintons and should censor himself.
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    The apologies are out of the way and the offense forgiven. But the underlying policy argument remains, after a Congressman drew fire from both sides of the aisle for his outburst during President Obama’s speech Wednesday.

    Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C., was criticized for interrupting Obama’s address to a joint session of Congress to accuse the president of lying about his health care reform plan prohibiting coverage for illegal immigrants. Wilson quickly apologized, and the White House accepted the apology.

    Wilson apologized again Thursday morning, though he also says a massive loophole could wind up in the health care bill: no requirement to prove citizenship for health care coverage.

    Among three House committees to pass bills for health reform, only one expressly bans federal funding for proving health coverage to illegal immigrants.

    “The Congressional Research Service has indicated that indeed the bills that are before Congress would include illegal aliens,” Wilson said. “And I think this is wrong.”

    Indeed, the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service study found that the House health care bill does not restrict illegal immigrants from receiving health care coverage.

    House Republican Minority Leader John Boehner amplified the complaint that without proof of citizenship, illegal immigrants could be insured.

    “There were two opportunities for House Democrats to make clear that illegal immigrants wouldn’t be covered by putting in requirements to show citizenships,” he said. “Both of those amendments were, in fact, rejected.”

    In the Senate, Democrats in the so called “Gang of Six,” a group of bipartisan senators on the Senate Finance Committee which is the last panel yet to release its bill, began moving quickly to close the loophole that Wilson helped bring greater attention to.

    “We absolutely assure that those who are here illegally would not get the benefit of any of these initiatives,” Sen. Kent Conrad said.

    House Democrats have left open the option to sanction Wilson for violating a House rule that expressly prohibits members from accusing presidents of lying. But they signaled a preference to move ahead without further distraction.

  48. JanH Says:

    September 10th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
    And yes obama is going to use his stature (corrupt as it already is) to push Chicago’s Olympic bid. Apparently he is hosting an event on this very issue at the WH in the near future.

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    I never had any doubts about this and Chicago will win the bid. I’ll bet anyone ten dollars on it.

  49. wbboei posted:
    House Democrats have left open the option to sanction Wilson for violating a House rule that expressly prohibits members from accusing presidents of lying.

    ==================

    Good heavens. Where was that in 1998?

  50. Not only do they not trust Obama, but they are prepared to defy his stupidly racist mandates.
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    Absolutely Jan. Mr. Obama is unworthy of their trust. For twenty years. he sat in the pew and absorbed the white hating and jewish hating bile of reverend wright his spiritual advisor. Then he proceeded to condemn the same people Wright directed his racists attacks toward. For example. his claim that white people living in small towns love guns and religion, his bias toward the white police officer which caused him to level a false, irresponsible allegation, and now the false moral equivalencies he drew to the Holocaust.

    When you take off Obamas last mask you will find Reverend Wright.

  51. turndownobama Says:

    September 10th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
    wbboei posted:
    House Democrats have left open the option to sanction Wilson for violating a House rule that expressly prohibits members from accusing presidents of lying.

    ==================

    Good heavens. Where was that in 1998?
    *******************

    My thoughts exactly!

    But the Whitehouse can lie 24/7?

  52. Wilson Apologizes, But Still Thinks Obama Wasn’t Honest

    Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:48 PM

    By: David A. Patten Article Font Size

    Rep. Joe Wilson is apologizing for blurting out “You lie!” during President Obama’s nationally televised address Wednesday night — but he’s not backing down one bit about Obama being wrong in saying healthcare reform won’t subsidize insurance for illegals.

    “This evening I let my emotions get the best of me when listening to the President’s remarks regarding the coverage of illegal immigrants in the healthcare bill,” the South Carolina Republican said in a statement issued shortly after the president’s speech to a joint session of Congress ended. “While I disagree with the President’s statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the president for this lack of civility.”

    Reaction to Wilson’s outburst came fast and furious. Republicans distanced themselves from the breach of protocol — Sen. John McCain of Arizona decried it as “totally disrespectful” adding, “there is no place for it in that setting — and House Democrats actually called for Wilson to be censored.

    Efforts by Democrats to pillory Wilson for doing the same thing Town Hall protesters did around the nation during the August recess — speaking the truth as they see it to those in power — may backfire. Already, the nation’s attention is turning to the actual issue Wilson raised — an accusation that billions of taxpayers’ dollars will go to pay for health insurance coverage for undocumented workers, if the current reform proposals go through.

    Supporters of so-called “Obamacare” point out that the measures being drafted all specifically forbid illegal aliens from gaining coverage. But conservatives say those stipulations are useless without the normal enforcement procedures which Democrats omitted.

    “Obama is correct,” Steven Camarota, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies, tells Newsmax. “The legislation states illegals won’t get the affordability credits [to pay for their healthcare]. But Wilson’s comment is correct in that the normal enforcement mechanism was excluded from the bill. I think that’s the fundamental question.”

    Camarota’s organization has estimated that due to the lack of enforcement provisions — which were specifically excluded from the legislation when it was being drafted — healthcare reform would benefit 6.6 million illegals at a cost of some $31 billion.

    “In that sense it is disingenuous,” Camarota tells Newsmax, “to argue that the bill is excluding illegal immigrants. I’m not going to say lie. It’s disingenuous. It’s not entirely correct. And that’s a big deal.”

    Rep. Dean Heller, R-Nev., had offered an amendment that would have prevented illegal aliens from receiving government-subsidized healthcare under the proposed plan.

    The House Ways and Means Committee nixed the Heller amendment by a 26-to-15 vote along straight party lines.

    Many states give illegals drivers licenses, which will be sufficient to get free healthcare under the plan.

    Critics also contend that millions of illegals already have counterfeit Social Security cards or other fraudulent documents. There also is no enforcement mechanism in the legislation to prevent illegals who use fake IDs from also obtaining taxpayer-subsidized health insurance.

    GOP representatives introduced the amendment to provide a way to weed out non-citizens from the program.

    A description of the amendment on Heller’s Web site states, “The underlying bill is insufficient for the purpose of preventing illegal aliens from accessing the bill’s proposed benefits, as it does not provide mechanisms allowing those administering the program to ensure illegal aliens cannot access taxpayer-funded subsidies and benefits.”

    The Heller amendment would have required that individuals applying for the public healthcare option would be subject to two systems used to verify immigration status already in use by the government: The Income and Eligibility Verification System (IEVS) and the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) program.

    The two systems cross-reference Social Security numbers and employment information to establish whether an individual is a U.S. citizen.

    That coverage for illegals has become an explosive issue is not surprising, considering that a recent Rasmussen Reports poll found an overwhelming 80 percent of Americans oppose covering illegals in any public healthcare bill.

    Moreover, anti-immigration activists say the availability of low-cost benefits, including health insurance and in-state tuition, will only lure more immigrants to come to the United States.

    Political analyst Dick Morris, in his recently released best-selling book “Catastrophe”, warns that giving illegal free healthcare will lead to a flood of new illegals who can take advantage of such a benefit not offered in their home countries.

    William Gheen, president of Americans for Legal Immigration, agrees with that view, stating: “Each state and federal elected official must know that illegal aliens should not be given licenses, in-state tuition, mortgages, bank accounts, welfare, or any other benefit short of emergency medical care and law enforcement accommodations before they are deported.”

    But a small fraction of illegals end up deported, and millions use fake IDs to easily gain access to government benefits programs.

    “Experts suggest that approximately 75 percent of working-age illegal aliens use fraudulent Social Security cards to obtain employment,” wrote Ronald W. Mortensen in a recent Center for Immigration Studies research paper. Mortensen says one of the big misconceptions about illegals is that they are undocumented. Many use false identification to obtain regular employment.

    John Sheils of the Lewin Group, a healthcare consulting firm owned by UnitedHealth Group, recently told National Public Radio that about 6.1 million illegals — about half of all illegals in the United States — lack documentation and therefore would not be legally eligible for benefits under the current healthcare reforms.

    Sheils says the other half of the nation’s illegals — 5 million to 6 million — use false documents to obtain on-the-books employment. Many of them are already insured under their employers’ plans, he added.

    While President Obama has stated employees currently covered by their employers’ plans would not be eligible for the taxpayer-subsidized “public option,” they would become eligible as soon as they lose their job or if their employers drop their coverage. And Republicans say that without enforcement measures, the citizenship of those workers wouldn’t matter.

    “A lot of those people are getting employer health benefits as part of their compensation,” Sheils told NPR.

    Certainly, some contend that undocumented workers who are gainfully employed and receiving benefits such as health insurance are contributing to society. But the fact remains that, once equipped with a fake ID, a person in the United States illegally can obtain both a job and the benefits that go with it.

    Estimates of the cost of providing illegals with medical care vary. Most uninsured illegals who need medical attention obtain it from hospital emergency rooms. And several states are already straining under the huge burden of paying for the health costs of illegal aliens.

    One of the ironies of the proposed legislation is that it would fine American citizens who opt not to purchase insurance coverage, but would exempt illegals from such fines. This is presumably due to the fact that they are not supposed to participate in the program anyway.

    Even if no illegals were likely to benefit from healthcare reform, Democrats have made it clear that amnesty is the next item on their ambitious legislative agenda anyway. Undocumented workers who obtain amnesty would almost certainly become eligible for subsidized healthcare.

    “I’ve got to do healthcare, I’ve got to do energy, and then I’m looking very closely at doing immigration,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., declared in June.

    Reid explained the urgent need for amnesty in terms very similar to those that Democrats have used to press for healthcare reform. “We have an immigration system that’s broken and needs repair,” Reid said.

    Rep. Wilson said Wednesday his outburst was a “spontaneous” reaction. He tried to call the president after the speech to apologize, and ended up speaking with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is trying to head off efforts to have Wilson sanctioned. “It’s time for us to talk about healthcare, not Joe Wilson,” she said Wednesday. Wilson told the media he’s actually for immigration, “But people who come to our country and violated our laws, we should not be providing full services.”

    © 2009 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

  53. Tightening the Corporate Grip: The Stakes at the Supreme Court
    by Robert Weissman
    Can things get still worse in Washington?

    Yes, they can. And they will, if the Supreme Court decides for corporations and against real human beings and their democracy in a case the Court will be hearing today, Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission.

    Until reaching the Supreme Court last year, this case has involved a narrow issue about whether an anti-Hillary Clinton movie made in the heat of the last presidential election is covered by restrictions in the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law. However, in a highly unusual move announced on the last day of the Supreme Court’s 2008 term, the justices announced they wanted to reconsider two other pivotal decisions that limit the role of corporate money in politics.

    The Court ordered a special oral argument on the issue, before the full start of their 2009 term in October.

    The Court will today hear argument on whether prior decisions blocking corporations from spending their money on “independent expenditures” for electoral candidates should be overturned. “Independent expenditures” are funds spent without coordination with a candidate’s campaign. The rationale for such a move would be that existing rules interfere with corporations’ First Amendment rights to free speech.

    Overturning the court’s precedents on corporate election expenditures would be nothing short of a disaster. Corporations already dominate our political process — through political action committees, fundraisers, high-paid lobbyists and personal contributions by corporate insiders, often bundled together to increase their impact, threats to move jobs abroad and more.

    On the dominant issues of the day — climate change, health care and financial regulation — corporate interests are leveraging their political investments to sidetrack vital measures to protect the planet, expand health care coverage while controlling costs, and prevent future financial meltdowns.

    The current system demands reform to limit corporate influence. Public funding of elections is the obvious and necessary (though very partial) first step.

    Yet the Supreme Court may actually roll back the limits on corporate electoral spending now in place. These limits are very inadequate, but they do block unlimited spending from corporate treasuries to influence election outcomes. Rolling back those limits will unleash corporations to ramp up their spending still further, with a potentially decisive chilling effect on candidates critical of the Chamber of Commerce agenda.

    The damage will be double, because a Court ruling on constitutional grounds would effectively overturn the laws in place in two dozen states similarly barring corporate expenditures on elections.

    More than 100 years ago, reacting to what many now call the First Gilded Age, Congress acted to prohibit direct corporate donations to electoral candidates. Corporate expenditures in electoral races have been prohibited for more than 60 years.

    These rules reflected the not-very-controversial observation that for-profit corporations have a unique ability to gather enormous funds and that expenditures from the corporate treasury are certain to undermine democracy – understood to mean rule by the people. Real human beings, not corporations.

    In arguing to uphold the existing corporate expenditure restrictions, the Federal Election Commission has emphasized these common sense observations.

    “For-profit corporations have attributes that no natural person shares,” the FEC argues. Noting that corporations are state-created — not natural entities — the FEC explains that “for-profit corporations are inherently more likely than individuals to engage in electioneering behavior that poses a risk of actual or apparent corruption of office-holders.” The FEC also notes that corporate spending on elections does not reflect the views of a company’s owners (shareholders).

    Although the signs aren’t good, there is no certainty how the Court will decide Citizens United. There is some hope that the Court will decide that it is inappropriate to roll back such longstanding and important campaign finance rules, in a case where the issue was not presented in the lower courts, and where the litigants’ dispute can be decided on much narrower grounds.

    Public Citizen is organizing people to protest against a roll back of existing restrictions on corporate campaign expenditures. To join the effort, go to http://www.dontgetrolled.org. People are pledging to protest in diverse ways — from street actions to letter writing — today, and in the event of a bad decision, and also networking for solutions to corporate-corrupted elections.

    Ours is a government of the people, by the people, for the people — not the corporations and their money. Corporations don’t vote, and they shouldn’t be permitted to spend limitless amounts of money to influence election outcomes.

    Robert Weissman is president of Public Citizen. Public Citizen attorney Scott Nelson serves as counsel to the original sponsors of the McCain-Feingold law, who have filed an amicus brief in the case, asking that existing restrictions on corporate election expenditures be maintained.

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  54. Obama bin lyin’
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    ‘Public Option’ Unlimited But Paid For, Leaving Number-Crunchers Perplexed
    Health care policy researchers are contradicting President Obama’s claim that a government-run health insurance program would be self-sufficient and could rely on premiums, saying it’s not possible to insure up to 30 million people with better coverage and reduce costs at the same time.

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    Health care policy researchers are contradicting President Obama’s claim that a government-run health insurance program would be self-sufficient and could rely on premiums, saying it’s not possible to insure up to 30 million people with better coverage and reduce costs at the same time.

    “The numbers don’t hold up,” Grace Marie Turner, president of the Galen Institute, a think tank devoted to health policy, said Thursday.

    In his case to the joint session of Congress Wednesday night, Obama cited the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office to contend that less than 5 percent of Americans would sign up for a so-called public option.

    The July report by the CBO projected that 6 million people would enroll in a government-run program, considerably fewer than the 100 million estimated by The Lewin Group, a health care policy research group, or the 47 million predicted by the left-leaning Urban Institute.

    The CBO offered its figure as part of an evaluation of one of the four congressional health bills floating through Congress right now. Asked whether a public plan would draw a significant number of Americans covered by private insurance, the congressional budget arm acknowledged that larger companies were not included in the assumptions.

    The CBO added that because several factors are uncertain, “estimating enrollment in the public plan is especially difficult.”

    Speaking Thursday, Obama repeated his claim that the cost of the plan — estimated at $900 billion over 10 years — will not add to the deficit. He also said that slowing the growth of health care costs will reduce the deficit by $4 trillion “over the long term.”

    “That’s real money,” he said of the $90 billion per year price tag. “But it’s far less than we’ve spent on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.”

    At a separate event, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told reporters that half the bill “will be paid for by squeezing excesses out of the system” by finding $500 billion in reduced waste, fraud, abuse and redundancy. The rest will be paid for in pay-as-you-go funding and cuts in other spending.

    “Squeeze it out of the system, and that means out of the providers and the rest as well,” she said.

    She added that despite the price tag, there’s no limit on the help people will receive.

    “There’s a cap on what you pay in in premiums. There’s no cap on what you receive back,” Pelosi added.

    Turner said a self-sustaining model will depend, among other things, on the cost of the premiums and who’s eligible. She added that in his assessment, the president doesn’t account for the initial $7 billion to $8 billion of taxpayer money it may cost to launch the plan or whether taxpayers would bail out the public plan if it falls into financial trouble.

    “There’s too many unknowns to make a claim like that,” she said of the president’s estimates.

    The renewed push for new health care legislation came as the Census Bureau reported Thursday that the number of people without health insurance rose to 46.3 million in 2008, up from 45.7 million in 2007. The bureau’s total was attributed to a continuing erosion of employer-provided insurance as a result of job losses. The number also includes illegal immigrants whom Obama insists are not covered under his proposed plan.

    Robert Moffit, director of the Center of Health Policy Study at the conservative Heritage Foundation, expressed doubt that a public plan would or could be self-reliant.

    “I don’t know what government program is self-sufficient,” Moffit told FOXNews.com. “It’s conceivable. It’s theoretically possible. You can imagine an alternative universe not run by [Democratic House leaders] Henry Waxman, Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer where such a thing exists. But on planet Earth, it’s highly unlikely.”

    Moffit also questioned the purpose of having a public plan if less than 5 percent of Americans enrolled.

    “Why would we need it?” he asked. “You’re not keeping private insurers honest. At the end of the day, that is the elephant giving birth to the flea.”

  55. Sen. John McCain of Arizona decried it as “totally disrespectful” adding
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    John . . . .

  56. turndownobama Says:

    September 10th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
    wbboei posted:
    House Democrats have left open the option to sanction Wilson for violating a House rule that expressly prohibits members from accusing presidents of lying.

    ==================

    Good heavens. Where was that in 1998?

    ****************************************

    guess this does not apply to the senate, because Reid called Bush a liar, and if i recall, repeated it and would not take it back…

    didn’t hear anyone complaining then

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    and we know that O called Bill Clinton a “bald faced liar”

    so everyone is fair game but O…ok

  57. If the progressives would WAKE UP they would realize the White House has made the secret deals with big business, therefore it wants to destroy the public option, and is using the blue dogs to do it. Meanwhile faux progressives like Katerina van something says bambi is developing a spine and misses the finer points of what is happening. Jan below on the other hand has it right as does our jan h on this site/
    _________________________________________________

    Obama’s Speech: Trapped In the Gap Between Action and Rhetoric
    by Jane Hamsher

    The President did a great job last night on selling the country on the need for health care reform. He made the moral case, and every metric indicates that people were overwhelmingly moved to support his plan. That’s the good news for the White House.

    The not so good news: the White House has been trying to get out from under the burden of supporting the public option for weeks. The trouble is, every time they try to do it, the President’s numbers take a huge hit. And so last night he came out and indicated that a public plan would be a part of his reform package. Today on the White House website, under “The Obama Plan,” it says:

    If You Don’t Have Insurance

    Offers a public health insurance option to provide the uninsured and those who can’t find affordable coverage with a real choice.

    The website is not so quick to commemorate the qualifiers regarding this public plan from last night’s speech:

    “The public option is only a means to that end – and we should remain open to other ideas that accomplish our ultimate goal.”
    “For example, some have suggested that that the public option go into effect only in those markets where insurance companies are not providing affordable policies.” (triggers)
    “Others propose a co-op or another non-profit entity to administer the plan. These are all constructive ideas worth exploring.” (co-ops)
    The administration’s inability to close the gap between expectations and reality is a boon for progressives members of Congress. Earlier this week, the co-chairs of the Progressive Caucus — Raul Grijalva and Lynn Woolsey — wrote a letter urging the President to mention it in his speech. I spoke with Rep. Grijalva yesterday, and he reiterated the need for the President to mention it in his speech. As long as the President keeps expressing his support for a public option, they — and we — can quite rightly say that we’re only insisting on something Obama himself endorses, something he campaigned on.

    Of course, the actions of the White House betray quite a different intent. The deals they have negotiated with health care industry stakeholders do not include a public plan, they don’t believe they can back out of them without triggering a rush of lobbyist money to GOP coffers. At some point there will be a day of reckoning when the public understands that the public option is gone. The White House wants to stop their opponents — and let’s face it, progressives who are insisting on the inclusion of a public plan are at this point their opponents — from being able to exploit that gap. Because every day that goes by the base gets more and more wedded to the promise of a public plan, encouraged by the positive rhetoric of the President himself. And it becomes that much harder for the White House to extract itself from the double bind they have created without paying a huge political price.

    One day the 11 dimensional chess set is going to have to come to terms with the fact that Rahm Emanuel worked with Max Baucus to cut deals that they force into the House through the Blue Dogs, and that the goals of the White House are not at odds with those of the Blue Dogs. Which is why Rahm protects them. And why we keep hearing things like this:

    Remember back on Friday, President Obama discussed the public option on a conference call with House liberals?… Well that meeting never happened. [I]t doesn’t seem to suggest that House liberals are being roped in to the health care negotiations between the House and the Senate.

  58. House Democrats have left open the option to sanction Wilson for violating a House rule that expressly prohibits members from accusing presidents of lying.

    …………………………………………………………………

    Why the hell should’nt you be able to accuse someone of being a liar even the president. People lie, call the call guy out. Jesus how many times did they call Bush or Clinton a liar and not a peep but oh no, not the macigal unifying unicorn, he could never lie.

  59. ADMIN!
    Can you embed?
    It’s a clip of Poopsie’s pout and biden’t aw-shucks-what’d-he-haveta-go-and-do-that-for head shake during the infamous Joe Wilson insult complete with steam rising from the botoxed-one’s ears.

    Poopsie’s Reaction to You Lie!

    www dot youtube dot com/watch?v=HZQgSU0PmDs&eurl

  60. A few days ago I posted an article in which I divided up the leading voices of big media into three groups, i.e. carnival barkers, lap dogs and liars. The list is probably underinclusive because there is a small number of credible ones, but they are rare these days. I gave two examples of liars–Mike Barnacle and Joe Klein.

    Barnacle was a led pipe cinch whereas Klein I began to have second thoughts. It wasn’t that he was a choir boy–and I think he did Primary Colors and denied it, but I worried that perhaps I was just repeating something with different motives than mine was alleging. Then I found this concerning him and Jane Hamsher (Firedog Lake) whose even handed analysis of Bambis speech convinced me that somewhere on the left somebody is not on hopium.

    By contrast I saw the article by this Katrina Vander Huevel (co-owner of The Nation and some relation to Jules Stein–Let It Snow ) which was shallow by comparison. For what it is worth, I think Huevels intellect is vastly overestimated, and she is a party line hack–not a real progressive, whereas Hamsher seems to be the real thing.

    But it turns out the indictment against Hillary hating Klein was well placed after all–and just remember this is Time Warner AOL owner of CNN we are talking about here. This vignette tells you alot about the corrupt culture which exists in that shop.

    Time Magazine, November 21, 2007
    In FireDogLake on November 27, 2007, Hamsher posted that she had determined that Priscilla Painton, then Deputy Managing Editor of Time, had edited a controversial column by Joe Klein, published on November 21, 2007.[30][31] According to Hamsher and several articles by Glenn Greenwald posted online at Salon,[32][33][34][35] as well as articles in The Chicago Tribune[36] and The National Review, Klein allegedly published false information regarding legislation that amends the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA): Protect America Act of 2007, based mainly upon claims by Peter Hoekstra, a Republican congressman who opposed that bill.[37] After Klein had qualified central statements in his article, commenting “I may have made a mistake in my column this week about the FISA legislation passed by the House,” Hamsher telephoned Painton and asked her “what the editing process was, and how a piece with so many errors made it into print,” to which Painton reportedly replied: “That assumes there are any errors,” ending the phone call.[30] In response to Hamsher’s account of her telephone conversation with Painton, Greenwald questioned the integrity of Time and its editor Painton.[32]

  61. Admin: the double standard between Bush and Bambi is ridiculous since they are birds of a feather. Only a fool buys into it. Evidently, there are people out there like Katerina Vander Huevel who are dumb enough to believe that the Kingdom of God would be at hand if there was no Republican Party.

  62. Why the hell should’nt you be able to accuse someone of being a liar even the president. People lie, call the call guy out. Jesus how many times did they call Bush or Clinton a liar and not a peep but oh no, not the macigal unifying unicorn, he could never lie.
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    Which is why it will not go anywhere. I hope the People of North Carolina take umbrage at the efforts by Soros and SEIU backed Daily Kos to install a stooge of the left in their state in lieu of Wilson. The rapidity of their response is clear evidence that they are using big money to undermine democracy.

  63. I do not think John McCain is much good to anybody at this point. He is certainly not a credible voice of opposition, not merely in this case but generally as well. His lack of support for Sarah is further proof. You would think that after the attacks that were made against him and his family by the New York Times during the campaign that he would have the moxie to stand up. He reminds me too much of Bob Dole. I wish he would do the right thing and step down. I think he stands in the way of reinvigorating the party, delivering a clear message, and occupying a leadership role which has proven not to work.

  64. There was some very good discussion at No Quarter about this bogus health care initiative by doctors and nurses, who see it as a boondoggle for the insurance industry, a boondoggle as well for the doctor and nurses ASSOCIATIONS centered in Washington, and no help whatsoever for the people on the front line delivering vital services to patients in need. They heard nothing but evasion in Mr. Obamas speech. And what they anticipate going forward is no relief and more stifling bureaucracy.

  65. Larry Johnson at No Quarter

    Despite the passage of time the wounds opened on September 11, 2001 remain raw and festering. We were reminded of those events just this week with the resignation of Van Jones, who had aligned himself with those convinced the Bush Administration carried out the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Bush failed to take the terrorist warnings from Richard Clarke and the CIA seriously, but he was guilty of laziness, not malfeasance. No one connected in anyway with the United States Government was responsible for the horror of that day. The blood is on the hands of Bin Laden and his cronies.

  66. wbboei Says:

    September 11th, 2009 at 7:51 am
    Admin: the double standard between Bush and Bambi is ridiculous since they are birds of a feather.

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    Yes but this about poor poor bambi…sniff… Nothing is going right for him. His struggle to survives requires “game changer” personal attacks like this so everyone will feel sorry for him and forget that he is incompetent.

  67. After Nine Months, Post Is Delivered

    It took nine months, but Capricia Marshall is finally — and fully — the new chief of protocol of the United States.

    The journey from Clinton confidante to ambassador ended Thursday afternoon when a delighted Secretary of State Hillary Clinton formally swore in her longtime aide and protege. “Capricia has been an extraordinary friend and colleague,” she told the crowd packed into the State Department’s Ben Franklin reception room. “There is no one in Washington who has worked for me longer. …It is, for me, a great personal pleasure.”

    The glamorous Marshall, 45, hitched her star to the Clinton family in 1992, serving as right hand for the first lady, protector to Chelsea Clinton (who attended the swearing-in), White House social secretary and insider on Hillary’s Senate and presidential bids. Her loyalty was rewarded this year with the plum protocol job — but the confirmation was delayed for a tense few months while Marshall sorted out tax issues and what exactly her role would be as official liaison to foreign leaders, and whether the Obama camp would put one of their own into a new unofficial role that would take away some of her responsibilities.

    All that’s ancient history. The White House sent senior adviser Valerie Jarrett and Social Secretary Desirée Rogers to the ceremony, which looked like a reunion of Team Clinton: Terry McAuliffe, Ann Jordan, Bob Johnson, Lisa Caputo, Mandy Grunwald and Melanne Verveer, along with former White House social secretaries and protocol chiefs Ann Stock, Lea Berman, Lucky Roosevelt and Lloyd Hand. “Everyone we know is here!” Verveer said. “If you don’t get out much, this is the way to do it.”

    The newly minted ambassador — with husband Rob and son Cole at her side, and her parents, Frank and Mary Penavic, proudly watching — was both exuberant and humble. “I could not be more thrilled,” she said, beaming. Then she thanked Clinton, who took her on “the roller coaster ride of a lifetime,” President Obama, and many, many others: “To quote our secretary, it does take a village to bring me here today — and in my case, a really, really big one.”

    voices.washingtonpost.com/reliable-source/2009/09/rs-marshall11.html

  68. Clinton and Gates to appear at Lisner

    September 10, 2009 by Ashley Carufel

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates will make a joint appearance at Lisner Auditorium on Oct. 6 for the Public Affairs Project Conversation Series to be hosted by SMPA director Frank Sesno to discuss America’s influence on foreign policy.

    Sesno made an unofficial announcement Wednesday night at the SMPA majors meeting in the Jack Morton Auditorium, and the Columbian College made the official announcement via their biweekly e-newsletter. At the majors meeting, Sesno mentioned a possible hosting partnership with renowned journalist Christiane Amanpour, but neither SMPA and the Columbian College has publicly confirmed her appearance.

    The event will be Gates’ first visit to campus, and Clinton has not been to campus since her last trip to Lisner early in her presidential campaign.

    Dean Peg Barrett of the Columbian College said in the newsletter, ““We are thrilled to be playing an integral role in advancing the public policy debate. Hosting a forum of this caliber with national leaders is a remarkable example of the breadth and depth of our work in engaging Washington and the world.”

    The forum will be Sesno’s second part of the ongoing Conversation Series since assuming the director position of SMPA from former director and Lee Huebner, who has remained a professor in SMPA. Sesno came to GW with 18 years experience at CNN. The first forum of the year is scheduled for Sept. 26 with former President Walter Mondale in the Jack Morton Auditorium.

    Ticketing information for Clinton and Gates’ appearance has not been made public yet, but will be free and open to the public.

    dailycolonial.com/?p=1411

  69. The Van Jones Matter

    By Charles Krauthammer
    Friday, September 11, 2009

    So Van Jones, the defenestrated White House green-jobs czar, once called Republicans “assholes.” Big deal. I’ve said worse about Democrats. I’ve said worse about Republicans. I’ve said worse about members of my family (you know who you are).

    How prissy have we become? Are we allowed no salt in our linguistic diets?

    Having once written a column praising Vice President Cheney’s pithy deployment of the F-word — on the floor of the Senate, no less — I rise in defense of Jones. True, Jones’s particular choice of epithet had none of the one-syllable concision, the onomatopoeic suggestiveness, the explosive charm of Cheney’s. But you don’t fire a guy for style.

    Another charge was that Jones was a self-proclaimed communist. I can’t get too excited about this either. In today’s America, to be a communist is a pose, not a conviction. After the Soviet collapse, Marxism is a relic, a pathetic anachronism reduced to its last redoubts: North Korea, Cuba and the English departments of the more expensive American universities.

    In any case, every administration is allowed a couple of wing nuts among its 8,000 appointees. As long as they’re not in charge of foreign policy or the Fed, who cares?

    Other critics are scandalized that Jones once accused “white environmentalists” of “essentially steering poison into the people of colored communities.” In fact, from a global perspective, Jones is right. Environmentalists — overwhelmingly white and middle/upper class — have blocked drilling offshore and in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. From where do you think the world gets the missing oil? From the poor, exploited, poisoned people of the Niger Delta, the Amazon Basin and other infinitely less-regulated and infinitely dirtier regions of the Third World. Affluent enviros are all for wind farms, until one is proposed that might mar the serenity of a sail from the crew-necked precincts near Nantucket Sound. Then it’s clean energy for thee, not for me.

    Jones’s genius as an ideological entrepreneur was to mine white liberal anxiety — they are quite aware of their own NIMBY hypocrisy — by selling them the “green jobs” shtick to reconcile class/racial guilt with environmental enthusiasm, thus making them feel better about themselves.
    That’s why Jones rose so far. That’s why he was such a “progressive” star. That’s why, as top Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett put it, “we’ve been watching him” and were so eager to recruit him to the White House.

    In the White House no more. Why? He’s gone for one reason and one reason only. You can’t sign a petition demanding not one but four investigations of the charge that the Bush administration deliberately allowed Sept. 11, 2001 — i.e., collaborated in the worst massacre ever perpetrated on American soil — and be permitted in polite society, let alone have a high-level job in the White House.

    Unlike the other stuff (see above), this is no trivial matter. It’s beyond radicalism, beyond partisanship. It takes us into the realm of political psychosis, a malignant paranoia that, unlike the Marxist posturing, is not amusing. It’s dangerous. In America, movements and parties are required to police their extremes. Bill Buckley did that with Birchers. Liberals need to do that with “truthers.” You can no more have a truther in the White House than you can have a Holocaust denier — a person who creates a hallucinatory alternative reality in the service of a fathomless malice.

    But reality doesn’t daunt Jones’s defenders. One Obama administration source told ABC that Jones hadn’t read the 2004 petition carefully enough, an excuse echoed by Howard Dean.

    Carefully enough? It demanded the investigation of charges “that people within the current [Bush] administration may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war.” Where is the confusing fine print? Where is the syntactical complexity? Where is the perplexing ambiguity? An eighth-grader could tell you exactly what it means. A Yale Law School graduate could not?

    No need to worry about Jones, however. Great career move. He’s gone from marginal loon to liberal martyr. His speaking fees have just doubled. It’s only a matter of time before he gets his own show on MSNBC.

    But on the eighth anniversary of 9/11 — a day when there were no truthers among us, just Americans struck dumb by the savagery of what had been perpetrated on their innocent fellow citizens — a decent respect for the memory of that day requires that truthers, who derangedly desecrate it, be asked politely to leave. By everyone.

    washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/10/AR2009091003408.html

  70. Admin….for the past several days, every time I access the site the music from the previous post’s video is playing. The only way to stop the noise is to access the comments. Can that be fixed?

  71. I am not so sure you can separate Jones contempt for the Republican Party, support for Communist Party doctrine, blaming white people for pollution in black neighborhoods, his incarceration, etc. from his support for the truther movement as neatly and surgically as he does. I mean he says 1-4 are okay, but 5 is beyond the pale. I could make a relativist argument that they are all bad or all innocuous if I wanted to, and it would be pure sophistry. The point is they are all part and parcel of a single mindset, and are inseparable for that reason. They are weigh stations along a single path. We know what Krauthammers trip wire is, but it obscures the whole truth to segregate it as he does.

  72. Ticketing information for Clinton and Gates’ appearance has not been made public yet, but will be free and open to the public.
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    I hope somebody from this site goes because it would be good to get a first hand report. I doubt it will be televised, and because Hillary is in it, the New York Times will censor it. I guess I am interested, and I do expect it will be discuss our expanding role in Afghanistan, something which I strongly oppose. But then again, I find my own focus which used to be attuned to the world narrowing considerably with the exception of my concern for Israel. For me at least, the world has become peripheral to my thinking, partly because I believe we are on the wrong track but it affects our lives far less than what is happening right here. That is where the worst seeds are being planted. That is where I am inclined to focus my attention.

  73. Sorry Carol, somehow I did that and I don’t even know how. I had trouble with my password, and when I went in to create a new one, somehow on the insertion of that video, even though I am not suppose to be able to link it (Admin does that), it got linked. That is also around the time we started seeing Admin 2, etc. Something must have happen when I went into the wordpress system that should not have. I keep hearing that music also, and I know it is the post I put in there, which I did not link.

    Admin, if I need to do anything to fix this, let me know.

  74. If you are an honest conservative, then you value an honest liberal more than another honest conservative, because the honest liberal will tell you things you do not already know, and you can trust their judgment. But there is also the faux liberal and they are not worth listening to. The distinction is clearly illustrated by the way two well known progressives reacted to Mr. Obama’s speech.

    1. This is how an honest progressive (Jane Hamsher) educates us about the problems with Mr. Obamas health care plan:

    “Of course, the actions of the White House betray quite a different intent. The deals they have negotiated with health care industry stakeholders do not include a public plan, they don’t believe they can back out of them without triggering a rush of lobbyist money to GOP coffers. At some point there will be a day of reckoning when the public understands that the public option is gone. The White House wants to stop their opponents — and let’s face it, progressives who are insisting on the inclusion of a public plan are at this point their opponents — from being able to exploit that gap. Because every day that goes by the base gets more and more wedded to the promise of a public plan, encouraged by the positive rhetoric of the President himself. And it becomes that much harder for the White House to extract itself from the double bind they have created without paying a huge political price.”

    2. This is how a phony progressive (Katrina Vander Huevel) tries to cover up the core political problem, and plays the game of pretend. She,knows that Obama has a reason to be ambiguous–he has made conflicting promises, but she hides it from us and qualifies the hell out of things. I cannot learn anything from this woman and she has no respect for the readers intelligence.

    “On the imperative of a public option, Obama did not fully satisfy. The insurance exchange idea confused more than it clarified in explaining the role of the public option. Why will it take four years? Essentially, it’s a compromise because Congress doesn’t have the guts to raise money to do it more quickly. There may be some benefits up front, but there are still more questions than answers. What is clear is that the fight must still be waged to push through a public option –already a part of four of the five bills in Congress–if we’re to get an essential component of genuine and effective healthcare reform. After all, the public option is already a pragmatic all-American compromise (choice and competition). Medicare for All–or single-payer-was never on the table.”

  75. Very difficult for this White House to keep its lies straight. Latest example: Great Jones:

    1. Jarrett: we have been watching him for a long time

    2. White House spokesman: we never vetted him.

  76. WHOOPS and it gets better – Acorn BUSTED and shitting themselves. Its not an isolated incident. Technically this is the equivalent of participating in conspiracy and accesory to prostitution.

    Second Video Shows ACORN Officials Helping ‘Pimp,’ ‘Prostitute’ in Washington Office

    One day after two ACORN officials in Baltimore were fired for offering to help a man and woman posing as a pimp and prostitute to engage in child prostitution and a series of tax crimes, another secretly shot videotape has surfaced that shows the same couple getting similar advice from ACORN officers in Washington.

    The newly released videotape, shot on July 25, shows ACORN staffers explaining to the pair how they can hide the woman’s professed work — prostitution — and get a loan that will help them establish a brothel.

    James O’Keefe, a 25-year-old independent filmmaker, posed as the pimp while visiting the ACORN office, accompanied by 20-year-old Hannah Giles, who posed as the prostitute. On a videotape provided to FOXNews.com, they are seen receiving guidance to establish the woman as the sole proprietor of a bogus company to mask the nature of her business.

    “She’s not going to put on (the loan application) that she’s doing prostitution … she doesn’t have to,” the ACORN staffer says. “You don’t have to sit back and tell people what you do.”

    The ACORN staffer is heard suggesting that O’Keefe can purchase a house, and as the landlord, if he is ever questioned by authorities, he can say he was unaware of the illegal business going on inside.

    “[W]hen the police ask you, (tell them) you don’t know where (the money is) coming from,” the staffer said. “We are looking out for you.”

    The ACORN employee later suggests that O’Keefe, who said he had a budding political career, not linger at the house in case people “put the dots together” and leave him “smeared and tarnished” by his association with his prostitute girlfriend. She should keep her business “low key,” the employee said.

    An ACORN spokesman told FOX News the group would need to look at the full tape and transcript before commenting.

  77. wbboei Says:
    September 11th, 2009 at 9:41 am

    I am not so sure you can separate Jones contempt for the Republican Party, support for Communist Party doctrine, blaming white people for pollution in black neighborhoods, his incarceration, etc. from his support for the truther movement as neatly and surgically as he does.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Krauthammer rambles on through the insertion of ambiguous wording posturing the reader with serial cavalier assumptions while covering Jones head with a burlap sack, releasing the trap door with…. we’ve got your signature on paper… better luck next time.

    Words tinged with cruelty unnecessarily so, when you’re dealing with a radical nutcase.

  78. This is from NoQuarter and Larry Doyle. As I said they are going to do away with our dollar, folks this is what the democrats have been put in power for. The cartel that runs this country knew the republicans could not get this done with a revolution, so they put in the dims. The idiots don’t realize that if this happens there will most likely be a revolution, especially from the bible thumpers.

    Current ArticleUN Calls for New Global Currency in Place of Greenback
    By Larry DoylecloseAuthor: Larry Doyle Name: L D
    Email: susanunpc@gmail.com
    Site:
    About: 23yr Wall St. career. Currently a private investor and work for a few not for profits. Happily married with 4 children.See Authors Posts (276) on September 11, 2009 at 11:01 AM in Economy, Global Finance, Inflation, Sense on Cents (Larry Doyle blog)

    What drove the U.S. dollar dramatically lower yesterday? How about a communique from none other than the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development. UNCTAD recently released a statement in which it proclaims:

    Given the prevailing major shortcomings in the international financial and monetary system, UNCTAD draws attention to some elements of reform of the international financial architecture, which is long overdue. These include effective capital account management, strengthening the role of special drawing rights (LD’s highlight), and a multilaterally agreed framework for exchange rate management. These reforms imply a fundamental rethinking of global financial governance to stabilize trade and financial relations by reducing the potential for gains from speculative capital flows. This will reduce the likelihood of similar crises in the future and help create a stable macroeconomic environment conducive to growth and smooth structural change in developing countries.

    I purposely highlight the UN’s desire to strengthen the role of special drawing rights. In layman’s terms, that means the UN wants to promote the currency of the IMF at the expense of the U.S. dollar.
    When BRIC nations promote a move away from the U.S. dollar, one may view it as the competitive nature of international trade. When an entity such as the United Nations is also promoting a move away from the U.S. dollar as the international reserve currency, we are embarking on an entirely new slope along our economic landscape.

    The fact that we have heard little to nothing from our power base in Washington leads me to believe that Obama, Geithner, Bernanke, Summers, et al are comfortable with a decline in the value of our currency.

    In my opinion, that comfort can be a very dangerous long term maneuver. How so? Economic growth requires capital. If investors deem our currency to be weakening, the capital will flow elsewhere . . . and elements of our quality of life may go right along with it

  79. So lets see.

    Acorn has 11 workers arrested in Florida for election fraud.

    2 workers and an office investigated in Baltimore for advising how to run prostitution, tax fraud and probable child prostitution.

    Acorn opens its big mouth and says its isolated and lo and behold today, we have part 2.

    The big govt website has hung a 2nd ACORN out to dry by revealing a 2nd video, the office in Washington DC offered to also help set up a whorehouse, escape tax fraud.

    The hint today is, it is not the last office they have the goods on.

    WHY HAVE THEY STILL GOT FEDERAL FUNDING? THIS IS CRIMINAL BEHAVIOUR AND IT IS NOT ISOLATED.

  80. To be fair (sorry) about Van Jones’ claim that he hadn’t properly read the petition he signed, we’d have to see the whole petition. The sentence Krauthammer quotes is plain enough, but it might have come toward the end, buried in fine print.

    Otherwise,the claim is right up there with Obama saying he didn’t read the questionnaire he (or his staff person) filled out back in Illinois.

  81. WE ARE ON THE BRINK OF AN INFLATIONARY DEPRESSION, ACCORDING TO SOMEONE I JUST SPOKE TO. THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING WHICH IS HAPPENING AT THE PRESENT TIME. I AM NOT ASKING YOU TO BELIEVE IT. JUST CONSIDER THE EVIDENCE.

    1. CHINA HAS STOPPED BUYING OUR COMMERCIAL PAPER. (GETHNER’S MISSION IN JULY WAS A FAILURE)

    2. OUR DEBTS ARE FALLING DUE AND WE NEED TO RAISE MONEY IMMEDIATELY THROUGH TAX INCREASES, BENEFIT CUTS AND PRINTING MORE MONEY.

    3. OBAMA’S HEALTH CARE BLITZ IS A SMOKESCREEN. THE INTENT IS TO RAISE MONEY THROUGH RETROACTIVE TAXES ON HEALTH CARE AND CUTTING BENEFITS.

    4. OBAMA HAS GIVEN THE GANG OF 6 UNTIL TUESDAY TO REACH AN AGREEMENT ON HEALTH CARE COMPROMISES. THEY DO NOT HAVE ALL THE FACT HOWEVER.

    5. CONGRESS RAISED THE DEBT CEILING TO 12 TRILLION THIS WEEK SO THE FED CAN PRINT MORE MONEY TO COVER OUR DEBTS. BUT THIS WILL MAKE THE DOLLAR YOU HOLD NOW WORTH LESS.

    6. OBAMA IS PUTTING THE PRIORITY ON CUTTING MEDICARE BENEFITS RATHER THAN ELIMINATING WASTE.

    7. THERE IS A 27% SHORT FALL IN TAX REVENUE BETWEEN PROJECTIONS AND RECEIPTS. THE TAX INCREASES IN THE HEALTH CARE INITIATIVE MAY BE MADE RETROACTIVE TO THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR.

    8. ALSO, OBAMA HAS REPORTEDLY CUT A PRIVATE DEAL WITH THE SEIU TO REPRESENT THE ENTIRE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY.

    9. YOU SHOULD CHECK THIS OUT YOURSELF.

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