The Death Of Ted Kennedy

Yesterday we would have mourned, perhaps wept.

If yesterday was before the foisting of the inexperienced, unqualified Obama on the nation, if yesterday was before helping George W. with No Child Left Behind, if yesterday was before the dynastic promotion of the inexperienced, unqualified Caroline, we would have mourned, perhaps wept.

This morning we woke to the sound of a bagpipe. The lament came from a construction worker, at the top floor of a construction site. In military poise and workingman clothes the construction worker paid solemn tribute with the pained tones of the pipes. There was no need to explain why the pipes moaned. We knew if was for the last brother.

We thought of the Arthurian novel The Once And Future King. King Arthur, on the eve of a battle in which he knows he will lose his life speaks to thirteen year old Thomas Mallory. The great king of legend and Camelot and Avelon reveals what animated his work and gives a mission to young Tom.

King Arthur tells Tom to flee from the battlefield that very night, to go home without hesitation and without disobedience and without illusions. “Don’t get these legendary people muddled up” Arthur tell the boy. “It is I who tell you about my idea.”

Asks Arthur of the young Tom, “Will you promise to be careful of yourself afterward? Will you try to remember that you are a kind of vessel to carry on the idea, when things go wrong, and that the whole hope depends on you alive?

Then Arthur, the great soon-to-be-slain King of legend, confides the great mission to the brokenhearted slender boy on a dark night before a great battle:

Thomas, my idea of those knights was a sort of candle, like these ones here. I have carried it for many years with a hand to shield it from the wind. It has flickered often. I am giving you the candle now–you won’t let it out?”

Mallory lived to carry out his mission and never let the fires of Camelot burn out in the hearts of men, and women. But, one yesterday in 2008, Ted Kennedy snuffed out the fire he was entrusted with.

We do not mourn, we do not weep today. We can however remember our own innocent days when we defended Ted in Palm Springs. We can remember happier days before he drove the party of FDR over the bridge.

We can remember the “Teddy” before he blocked Hillary from having any meaningful leadership role in the Senate on health care because he wanted to lead the charge. Instead of leading the charge, he took with himself a crucial vote. What he wanted to cradle, he strangled.

We will remember the young Ted, voice breaking for his slaughtered brother and for his other slaughtered brother. We will remember the young Ted, smooth-skinned, black haired, and slender.

But too many of us have been driven over the bridge to weep today. We can remember. We can carry our own candles now.

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200 thoughts on “The Death Of Ted Kennedy

  1. I’m not all the sad. I mourned him 18 months ago when he did what he did. I did, however, find Biden’s remarks this morning somewhat enlightening and moving. In a way they made me question his betrayal all the more. I guess we will never know the answer.

  2. Oh Barf, there doing a one hour long tribute to Teddy tonight on ABC. I have been reading blogs and tweets all day, there is much hatred of this man of nobility!

  3. a tribute,eh? will they include how he drove a woman into a lake pissed and then swam away leaving her to die and then had his family try and cover it up because in my book that was UNFORGIVABLE.

  4. mp, there are the ones I usually go to like Noquarter, Riverdaughters, Lamecherry and right after it was announced, I went to twitterfall and there was hatred there also.

    I just read Lamecherry, he/she alluded to baby at Chappaquaddick. I don’t remember if MaryJo was pregnant, does anyone remember that??

  5. yeah i felt there was more to chappaquiddick than met the eye, in the 60’s, you just didnt have a back street abortion, the scandal would have killed the Kennedy’s as strong catholics, would not be surprised if another “solution” was found, i always felt thats when TK took to the booze.

    The fact Kennedy got out of the car, she didnt was always suspicious like she was never meant to.

  6. I feel the same way admin. I have no hatred towards Kennedy and I understand the legacy that their family has left on our culture and political history. However, I refuse to canonize him or make him into a martyr after the injustice he showed to Mary Jo and Hillary. It’s just too much to forgive and forget.

  7. It is time we stopped electing people that we portray as Saints, which none of them are, and start electing people that we scrutinze there experience and backgrounds, and then hire them to work for us.

    Then set expectations for them, and hold their feet to the fire.

    Since the Dims and Reps laugh at that, we will continue to elect people to office that have lower standards than the rest of the country, and world’s workforce has to measure up to.

    For some reason, I think their background, experience, morals, and etc, should be equal to or higher than the rest of us.

    We need to stop picking people that the TV/Movie people, and our children tell us to elect. We are the most educated electorate in history, we have more infomation at our finger tips, and yet We think some Movie honkie knows who should be running this country.

  8. Yep, I wept ONE YEAR AGO THIS WEEK. Yep, I wept knowing that our greatest hope was shoved aside so that a black male could “lead”. Yep, I’m all cried out from the injustice showed Hillary and Bill Clinton. Yep, I won’t be watching the fiasco over the next few days. Yep, he swam over the river and SLEPT all the while “figuring” she’d get out of that car.

  9. I still don’t understand why he backed obama? Was it hate against the Clintons? Was it gender-based and he didn’t want a woman in power? Or was it that he wanted the Kennedy dynasty to continue to thrive?

    Does anybody know?

  10. I had heard Mary Jo’s family refused an autopsy
    they were paid 50,000 and 90,000.

    The hearing was a big farce.

    On the news early this morning, i forget what show.
    the guy was saying how cruel the blogs were to TK.

  11. Also Remember, Ted Kennedy’s wife at the time of Chappaquick was pregnant. She was so upset over the whole scandal she had a break-down and lost the baby.

    Ted killed Mary Jo & his own unborn child.

  12. neetabug, I totally agree with you. They knew that Hillary had the “testicular fortitude” that bambi lacks. She would not have been a pushover. Hillary would KNOW what the bills had in them and she wouldn’t be letting Pukeosi and the other thugs run our White House. They knew Hillary would be a LEADER, not needing a teleprompter to prompt her on what to say and when to say it.

    I still laugh when I think about the teleprompter shattering that day. Like an omen I tell you.

  13. French Puma also sums her feelings up quite nicely. Maybe not as eloquently as admin and a bit more blunt but she gets to the point! europumas.over-blog.com/article-35317882.html

  14. ABC is saying he is credited for the family leave act, minimum wage and alot of the stuff that I always credited to Bill Clinton. Maybe when Hillary said “It takes a President enact these bills” that is what pissed him off. He wanted all the credit for it and he did not want to share it with POTUS. Here Hillary is silently working behind the scenes to get our foreign relations back in order and does not care if she get credit for the work she is clearly doing. Teddy had the audacity to suggest his causes were more nobel than hers. I ask you WHO is the more nobel??? Theres NO question in my mind. He wanted all the glory for the good stuff and all the bad stuff silenced, does this remind you of anyone else??

    Had it not been for the narcissists, WE COULD HAVE HAD HILLARY!! RIP TEDDY!!

  15. Well if control was the reason, it certainly didn’t get him very far. Now pelosi and emanuel will get more of a foothold.

  16. neetabug, I imagine they did not want an autopsy because they wanted to protect their daughters name. There are stories that say she was indeed pregnant.

    It really pisses me off when they say he fought for feminism, WOW, he and his brothers were a huge threat to womanhood, how in the world could he be a champion of women. How could he have done that to Hillary if he had been. He did not just back another candidate, he went for her throat!

  17. I’ll tell you why Kennedy backed Obama.

    TK did not want the Clintons taking over and becoming the premier American family dynasty.

    I mean both Bill and Hillary Clinton becoming President and then possibly Chelsea’s star studded career would have been far far too much for Teddy, he wanted the Kennedys to remain top dogs, pure and simple.

    Thats all there was too it, pure and simple jealousy, something his family never had, 2 PRESIDENTS.

  18. moononpluto Says:

    August 26th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
    I’ll tell you why Kennedy backed Obama.

    TK did not want the Clintons taking over and becoming the premier American family dynasty.

    I mean both Bill and Hillary Clinton becoming President and then possibly Chelsea’s star studded career would have been far far too much for Teddy, he wanted the Kennedys to remain top dogs, pure and simple.

    Thats all there was too it, pure and simple jealousy, something his family never had, 2 PRESIDENTS.

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    EXACTLY! Really stupid and narcissistic, if you think about it. The Kennedy legacy would have remained separate from the Clinton’s, but Ted Kennedy couldn’t bear anyone being president that he didn’t want, which is all about power and entitlement. Imagine, a woman being president, when he didn’t achieve that goal. He couldn’t tolerate it, so he used his influence and power to promote an inadquate, corporate shill, who gave aware the potential for universal health care by making backroom deals with insurance and pharmaceutical companies. He gave real health care reform away through his self-serving actions.

  19. ADMIN, I was watching all day for YOUR reaction – I knew you’d tell it exactly as it is, and I very much like the way you did it.

    There is an entire Wikipedia entry on the murder at Dyke Bridge – including testimony from the man who found Mary Jo and said that her position in the car indicated she was alive when Ted left her there to die.
    What kind of man could DO such a thing? The things he did later in his life are consistent with exactly that kind of man.

    Is a person guilty of murder when he could have done something to prevent a death and did not? Yes. There have been convictions based on that …forget what it’s called.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident

  20. Sadly, I think Kennedy was suckered by a pro…..the political version of a social climber…BO. BO made him feel really special…sucking up to him in the Senate….becoming his protege…..then additionally perhaps TK was suffering a litttle diminished capacity from his brewing brain cancer.

  21. It may turn out that Mary Jo will not be the only blemish on Ted’s career. If BO ‘s presidency ends up as we all think that it will, history will not forget Teddy, the king maker, who foisted this incompetent fraud on the country.

    I am also stunned that more dems from Mass aren’t more upset that TK and Kerry overturned the will of the voters.

  22. We do not mourn, we do not weep today. We can however remember our own innocent days when we defended Ted in Palm Springs. We can remember happier days before he drove the party of FDR over the bridge.

    We can remember the “Teddy” before he blocked Hillary from having any meaningful leadership role in the Senate on health care because he wanted to lead the charge. Instead of leading the charge, he took with himself a crucial vote. What he wanted to cradle, he strangled.

    We will remember the young Ted, voice breaking for his slaughtered brother and for his other slaughtered brother. We will remember the young Ted, smooth-skinned, black haired, and slender.

    But too many of us have been driven over the bridge to weep today. We can remember. We can carry our own candles now.
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    I was soo thinking this. There was time I would have been devastated. I just felt nothing, nothing at all

    I always will believe he let Mary Jo die and I will most certainly believe Bobby was the best of the three.

  23. ok, perhaps ADMIN or someone here knows more about the following:

    first, I always thought Kennedy backing O had to do with first wanting to knock the Clintons aside, but also to reunite the Chicago-Irish Alliance…the Daley family and the Kennedy family reunited to regain all control and power once again and O was the frontman and O brought along his chicago clan…

    next, I just caught a clip on tv of when Ted was before the delegate committee when he was preparing to run against Carter for the democrated nomination…and ironically the person introducing Ted was none other than a young and handsome, Bill Clinton…

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    my question is, does anyone know or remember who Bill supported during that time??? did he back Carter for re-nomination or did he endorse TK’s rogue candidacy against Carter for the dem nomination???

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    lastly after watching all these clips, TK was extremely vocal about being against the wars…all of them…especially Iraq…he interrogated Rumsfeld and constantly said that voting against Iraq was the best vote he ever cast, etc…so why all the silence now as O is expanding Afghanastan, with this month being the deadliest month there since that war began years ago…and it does not look like we are leaving Iraq any time soon…and we are
    still spending billions and billions a month on BOTH of these wars

    …so I guess the troops be damned if we have a dem President even if he expands the policies of the repub President we protested against???

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    the ultimate final straw of democratic hypocrisy for me will be if Gov Patrick of Mass and the dem legislation AGAIN change the rules so that Patrick can CHOOSE a dem replacement for Kennedy and ONCE AGAIN THE DEM PARTY IGNORES THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE AND THEIR VOTE…especially in MA…as Mass voted for Hill but Kennedy, Patrick and Kerry all went for O…

  24. oh, one other thing…O is giving the eulogy for TK…’never miss an opportunity’, I will bet that O will exploit TK’s death to push for his/TK health reform…

  25. Back to MV…

    A friend on the Vineyard said when Obama was making his way from the airport to the Blue Heron Estate, there were (someone counted them) 27 Black SUV/SS cars in the entourage escorting him to his vacation hideaway.

    Another friend told us he is renting his house to the SS who brought along his wife and kids… BO must have 3 rotating shifts of 24 hr protection during his stay.

    And a good time was had by all!

  26. Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

    Wednesday, August 26, 2009

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 31% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-nine percent (39%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -8 (see trends). Republicans continue to enjoy a modest lead on the Generic Congressional Ballot.

    Just 22% of voters nationwide believe Congress has a good or excellent understanding of the legislative proposals to reform the nation’s health care system. Voters tend to believe that they personally understand the proposals better than Congress. Forty-seven percent (47%) say President Obama’s understanding of the plan is good or excellent.

    If Democrats can agree on a health care bill that would attract no Republican votes in Congress, just 24% say the President’s party should pass that bill. Most say the legislation should be changed to attract a “reasonable number” of Republican votes.

    Only 32% now support the Administration’s plan to close the Guantanamo prison camp. That’s down from 38% a month ago and 44% in January. Most Americans worry that dangerous terrorists will be set free if they are transferred to other countries.

    The Presidential Approval Index is calculated by subtracting the number who Strongly Disapprove from the number who Strongly Approve. It is updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern (sign up for free daily e-mail update). Updates also available on Twitter and Facebook.

    Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President’s performance. Fifty percent (50%) now disapprove. For more measures of the President’s performance, see Obama By the Numbers and recent demographic highlights from the tracking polls.

    On the economic front, 79% of Americans know someone who is out of work and looking for a job. Just 6% say the jobs market is better than a year ago while 72% say it’s worse.

    rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

  27. next, I just caught a clip on tv of when Ted was before the delegate committee when he was preparing to run against Carter for the democrated nomination…and ironically the person introducing Ted was none other than a young and handsome, Bill Clinton…
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    Something happened for sure, Clinton got too popular IMHO. He became president and Teddy would never.

    I know Clinton helped him out many times including looking for John John with the US military, campaigning for him when he got in some trouble. But Clinton did the one thing Teddy could never forgive…he won and Teddy lost

  28. The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 31% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President.
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    There will always be 30% die hards in each party, no matter what. My God i think once upon a time i was one….

    so 1% of the other 69% strongly approve…maybe they combed the prison’s for that 1%

  29. why is his approval back to -8. I don’t understand how people can not be more pissed off. He’s up in the ritzy on another freakin vacation while the US is burnin. I am wondering if Rasmussen is not once again being paid to oversample who they want to give him the cushion. Everybody I speak to wishes they hadn’t voted for the fraud.

    They are paying people to go disrupt the town halls and be a “supporter” of the health care reform. Just like in the primaries, they are paying. They know how to pull a fast one.

    I had hoped he’d be in the -20 this week. WTF

  30. admin Says:

    August 26th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
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    sniff, sob, sniff. Often times it does seem like the good die young.

  31. dot48,

    Because while he is on vacation, the media is back to giving him a break. And I guarantee that with him giving the eulogy for Kennedy, his numbers will go even higher. Hopefully, this nostalgic moment will be over quickly and his numbers will once again reflect what we all know…that he is a big fat zero.

  32. moononpluto and birdgal:
    There are various reasons why I believe Ted endorsed Obama.

    I think as a rich, entitled white man in his 70s, it was difficult for him to let go of misogynistic beliefs about what a woman should look like and how a woman should act. Hillary is too ballsy for a lot of men which is why she is so hated even from men who consider themselves to be liberal and progressive. There were probably personal reasons we will never know about which made him decide that Hillary was not the right woman to lead the country, especially when he had the choice of endorsing a charismatic black man and forever connecting the Kennedy name, which will be associated with the civil rights movement of the 60s, to the present by helping elect a black man to the White House.

    There were probably dynasty and jealousy reasons as you’ve already stated. Ted probably did not expect to die before the end of 2009. Like other power players in the Democratic Party, he knew that it would be easier to have influence on Obama, especially if he offered Obama a chance to be associated with Camelot as long as he helped Ted advance other Kennedys to positions of power. Ted realized that as the last surviving brother of the Kennedy dynasty, it was his job to pave the way for younger Kennedys to have a place on the political stage. JFK Jr., had he lived, would have likely been taken under Ted’s wing and groomed for political stardom. Ted’s last failed effort was to get the inexperienced and unqualified Caroline in the NY Senate. Had Hillary been President, I don’t think the Clintons would have been as open to just giving political power to someone like Caroline who was clearly unprepared for the spotlight. Hillary has Bill and they would’ve been a power couple that the Democratic Party or the Kennedys would not have been able to reign in. Obama, on the other hand, was supposed to be like the Kennedy’s adopted son. The empty suit who inherits the myth of Camelot and a connection to the White House for the next generation of Kennedys.

    Whatever Kennedy’s motives were, I doubt much worked out as he had planned. He did not expect JFK Jr’s tragic death before his own. He expected to live to see the end of Obama’s first term in office. He expected that Caroline was entitled to the Senate seat if only because she’s the daughter of JFK. He probably overestimated Obama’s charisma on stage and his vicious attacks on Hillary as ability to be a powerful President who would take advantage of political opportunities and wield power to get things done. I doubt that Kennedy was happy with the way things were going in the Obama administration but was too close to death to bother to do much about the mess in Washington.

  33. Why did TK support BO over HRC? According to an article I read last year, Ted gave his support to BO so that he could force HRC’ to leave her Senate seat (by shutting her out of any meaningful committee), which would then go to Caroline K. The NY Senate seat would in turn be the launching ground for a Caroline K Presidency. Bottom line, it looks like he didn’t want HRC to be the first woman POTUS. Also, it’s obvious that he didn’t want the Clintons to have a dynasty to rival the Kennedys’.

    There was a day when I, too, would have mourned the loss of Ted Kennedy, but that day passed when he betrayed brutally the Clintons. I feel nothing for TK, although I extend my condolences to the family he left behind.

  34. Prolific post, Admin. You have captured the essence and thoughts of us here at Big Pink. We mourned, wept over a year ago. We were heartbroken at the abandonment of Teddy and Caroline toward the very couple who understood the Kennedy legacy and mantle, and were the rightful heirs. Yes, Camelot died long ago, and we mourn now what could have been – A Hillary Presidency, the right kind of healthcare, and intact respect for the Kennedy name. Brilliant post, as usual. Struck exactly the right tone. How ironic that he took his vote with him, due in part to the MA law of his own creation. The irony never ends to those who betrayed HRC.

  35. One other thing, why didn’t TK vacate his Senate seat the minute he found out he had a terminal illness? Surely, he knew that by holding on to his seat to the very end that the Dems would rish having 59 votes on the health care reform. (Perhaps he thought that ObamaCare would pass without any push back from the public.)

  36. I hope today Mary Joe’s family finally gets an end to the night mare they’ve been living for years hearing what a great man Teddy was.

    Hey Teddy may you rest in hell.

  37. trixta, If HRC had been president, her Senate seat would’ve been available anyway. How was it that Ted was so certain that HRC would’ve left her Senate seat, unless he was one of O’s people to advise him to give HRC a place in his administration to free up the Senate seat? As I said in my previous post, Ted knew that Obama would be the easiest to influence his decisions. Ted knew the Kennedy dynasty was dying out. He suspected that Obama was the key to securing the Kennedy legacy and connecting them to the “new Camelot” for another generation. The Kennedys are also members of Whole Foods Nation and as white, liberal elitists, it must have been hard to pass up helping Obama in order to prove that they were true progressives who helped the first black man become President. It all ties in to the civil rights struggle of the 60s when the Kennedys were at the height of their power and cemented their legacies as a family who died in order to make the country better. Ultimately, I believe Ted did this to secure his own legacy and the legacy of his brothers as well as insure the political survival of younger Kennedys in the years to come. He did not expect Obama to be such a complete failure. Yes, we and PUMAs and PUMA-like Hillary supporters who did not vote for Obama knew who he was. But half of the Democratic Party was too enthralled with electing the first black president and washing away their own sins to see things as clearly as we did.

  38. HighlyEducatedHillarySupporter Says:

    August 26th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
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    I appreciate your posting, because it demonstrates something that I have been thinking about all day. TK was a very complicated person and his motives for endorsing BO were many, as you outlined above. Combination of jealousy, entitlement, legacy, and linkage to promoting the first AA POTUS. Without question, John Jr. would have been given the political spotlight, and may have risen quite high. Obviously, he had the charisma of his father, something that Caroline is sorely lacking. TK would not have had as much control and influence with the Clinton’s, but it is obvious that they have or had a history of respect for the Kennedy’s and would have worked with him. This decision to endorse BO may turn out to be one of the worst decisions of his life.

    Doesn’t it seem like, the health insurance reform is not what TK envisioned for the country? Would he have sold out as much to the insurance and pharmaceutical companies?

  39. trixta Says:

    August 26th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
    One other thing, why didn’t TK vacate his Senate seat the minute he found out he had a terminal illness? Surely, he knew that by holding on to his seat to the very end that the Dems would rish having 59 votes on the health care reform. (Perhaps he thought that ObamaCare would pass without any push back from the public.)

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    Why didn’t he resign sooner? Good question and the reasons are probably complicated as are many other things. For one thing, health care reform was his life’s work and he wanted his fingerprints all over it. In addition, denial is a common trait in human beings, and he may of thought that he would be able to last until it was passed. This might have been the impetus for the “hurry, hurry” nature of trying to get it passed so soon, but the real reason was to pass something before all the gruesome details were made open. It is obvious that the proposed health plan is not the one that TK used to talk about. But, he should have resigned several months ago, when it was quite obvious that his disease was progressing.

  40. Yes, I wish we knew what Ted’s last thoughts were about Obama and his so-called health care reform. Did Ted eventually regret endorsing Obama or was preserving the Kennedy dynasty by linking them to the first black president more important than his life’s work? We’ll never know and no one in his family will tell the media the truth if Ted did in fact have any regrets. I don’t think Ted would’ve sold out to the insurance companies like Obama. Ted was no where near the martyr or Democratic hero that the media is making him out to be but he was a fairly effective Senator and I believe he was genuinely passionate about health care reform. Obama can’t hold a candle to Ted, Hillary, Bill, Gore, or hell even Kerry – anyone with a record of at least trying to battle the Republicans to change the status quo. Obama has done zero, squat, zilch. He partied with Chi-town thugs while allowing his constituents to freeze. Now he’s shown that he only wanted to win to make it into the history books, travel around the world, and vacation in Mass. like he’s JFK. He has no goals, no reason for being in office, no desire to change the country for the better.

  41. Marc Rubin has the following to offer in explanation of Ted Kennedy’s role in Obama’s nomination: essentially that he was miffed at Hillary’s overlooking the Kennedy legacy in the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Makes sense to me.

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    Probably the most important endorsement Obama received during the Democratic primary came from Ted Kennedy. He even evoked the memory of JFK in making his enthusiastic endorsement.

    But according to behind the scenes reports at the time the endorsement did not have as much to do with support and confidence in Obama as it did over the fact that Ted Kennedy was fuming over something Hillary Clinton didn’t say during the primaries.

    In South Carolina, Hillary Clinton, while campaigning during the primary, made the point that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed largely because of LBJ’s political know how in getting southern Democratic congressmen who had opposed it, to vote for it, something just about everyone including Martin Luther King and John Lewis who was standing with King and next to LBJ when he signed the bill, acknowledges.

    Clinton’s point at the time was that it takes both experience and know how on many levels to be president and that LBJ knew whose arm to twist, who to slap on the back, who to offer favors and who to threaten to get a very contentious bill passed, and that Obama had shown no experience, accomplishment or skills on any level in his 12 years as an elected official that would indicate he had any of those abilities( something that has become all too apparent during the health care debate)

    At the time, Obama used that statement to play the race card and accused Clinton of diminishing Martin Luther King’s legacy by crediting Johnson with getting the bill passed, ( although when Tom Brokaw said exactly the same thing in his book and documentary there were no accusations from Obama or anyone else).

    But what wasn’t widely reported was that Ted Kennedy, behind the scenes was furious with Clinton for not giving JFK the credit Ted Kennedy felt JFK deserved for the civil rights act.

    Its true that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 began with JFK. Johnson used both his legendary political skills and the memory of the assassinated JFK in getting what was a JFK initiative that had previously stalled in congress, passed. And Ted Kennedy was furious that Clinton didn’t give JFK enough credit for initiating the Civil Rights Act.

    According to reports, that led directly to Kennedy’s decision to endorse Barrack Obama, the single most important and most coveted political endorsement any of the candidates could have gotten, an endorsement that can be largely credited with securing the nomination for Obama even if Kennedy’s endorsement didnt help Obama in the Massachusetts primary which Clinton won handlily.

    It is curious that on the day of Kennedy’s death, Obama’s official statement relates to the “wisdom” Obama says he received from Kennedy while he was a member of the US Senate and says nothing about the endorsement and support that probably had more to do with his nomination leading to his ultimate election as president, than any other.

    It might be making some in the Kennedy family as furious as Ted was.

  42. To expand on all that has been written. Republicans (Rove) conspired with Democrats (DNC) to steal the nomination from Hillary. Republicans more than Democrats knew they didn’t have a candidate who could win the presidency after Bush II’s term expired in 2008.

    The time frame is at least 8 yrs. if not more for working out a plan to stop Hillary from becoming the Democratic nominee. They knew if they could prevent her from attaining the nomination, Obama would easily win of McCain. McCain was their token candidate.

    The procedural tasks of taking Fl and MI out of play was worked out by Republicans, as the DNC Kennedy and Kerry breathed a sigh of relief and allowed the Devils to do their work.

    Both parties are scum and should be
    disposed of beginning with the next election.

  43. Ted’s claim of the Clinton’s dissing JFK’s work on Civil Rights is a ruse created to disguise the malevolent backstabbing activity they all participated in to prevent Hillary from winning the presidency.

    Their primary reason for the alliance? Hillary was and still is a candidate for the people. She is someone they couldn’t control and therefore a liability to their political careers and plans for further enrichment.

    Meanwhile, Obama fills their job requirements perfectly.

    That is until he is ready to throw both parties under the bus and ally himself with rouge dictatorships… because they failed to read the warning stamped on the soles of his feet: “Buyer Beware”.

  44. Good Morning All,

    Amazing what I learn on this blog. One had to wonder how this democracy continues to function, when so many egos are envolved in their own selfishness.

  45. Mrs. Smith Says:
    August 27th, 2009 at 8:26 am
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    Mrs. Smith Says:
    August 27th, 2009 at 8:38 am

    Bull’s eye!
    We must not forget that Rove/Bush were in collusion with unholy Dim leaders to pull off this fraud! Both parties be damned!
    Hate to admit it, but Nader had it spot on when he said both parties are the same. That was a warning we ought to have heeded instead of responding to it defensively. (not that I think Nader would’ve been a good prez — no, quite the nadir)

    Good morning to YOU, NMF.

  46. Personally I’m a little sceptical of the idea of powerful individuals making major decisions just because they’re ‘miffed’ by some remark — or for other frivolous personal reasons.

    Their motives might be corrupt, but I expect they’re more realistic and practical than personal offense.

  47. As others have said, preventing Hillary from obtaining the nomination was the work of many and most likely had been progress for at least 4 years or more. TK may have been miffed that Hillary did not mention JFK, but he probably used this for an excuse. LBJ did twist many arms and called in many favors, and as we all know, it resulted in the lost of the south for the democrats.

  48. Well all I can say is that all the back room dealings and plotting to keep Hillary from the presidency has backfired big time.

    What do they have now? An incompetent bozo who is intent on dragging all of them down. While Hillary continues to shine.

  49. Goodbye Teddy……….been nice to know you. Hillary and Bill will still be making news while you sail in the big sailing ship in the sky.

  50. Well Bambi is giving the eulogy, but nothing else. He is not riding with the body to Arlington cemetary or will he be at Arlington cemetary. So he again is doing the very least he can do for the man who helped him. He is never grateful to anyone. He is so into himself its amazing to see it.
    All he is doing is using Kennedy one last time and then he goes back to Martha’s Vineyard for more vacation. Well thats what you get when you back a spoiled brat.

  51. I hope Bill ans Hillary are NOT there…the “talking heads” will focus on them and “how angry” they were for Teddy’s endorsement of TOTUS….they really should avoid this or sit way in the back where the camera angle is bad.

  52. apparently 5 U.S. presidents (former and present) are going to be at the funeral. I’m assuming the Clintons will be among them. I think the media would attack them if they didn’t make an appearance, so I think this is a good move.

    I also think the Clintons will add much-needed dignity to the proceedings.

  53. How dreadful that they will have to be subject to both Obama and Kennedy’s. I hope they kick back some shots (in the Irish tradition) before this morose event begins….

  54. jbstonesfan: There is no way the Clintons could get out of attending Ted’s funeral even if they secretly wished they could. As a former president Bill has to attend. If Hillary did not, she would be derided as a sore loser in the media. And we all know that Hillary has proven herself to be anything but a sore loser. She has risen above petty politics and backstabbing not only to help Obama win the election but to cement her own power and the legacy of her husband’s in the political party even when Democratic power brokers such as Ted and Howard tried their hardest to shut them out. Those like Hillary who continue to FIGHT the right-wing attacks as well as the infighting within their own party for the COUNTRY’S INTEREST and not just their own will be the vindicated in the history books. So yes, she will be in attendance and she will pay her respects in a dignified and solemn manner.

  55. They’ll be there. The Clintons have class. They are not petty.

    They can forgive, but they don’t forget.

  56. Well, I was reading that MYT article and ir suggested Hillary was more forgiving than Bill, who was still said to have been enraged at Kennedy and Richardson-even more than Obama.

  57. Where is John Kerry in all this hub-bub around Kennedy’s Funeral.

    Kerry was the fondulac who introduced Obama at the Democratic Convention. Surely the Great John Kerry isn’t in hiding peeking out beneath the wheels of a Big yellow bus… Is he?

    He is noticeably absent from appearances and newsmedia. Had Teddy distanced himself from Kerry in his final year on Earth? Rather than wonder about the rift between the Clintons and Teddy; I wonder where is John Kerry? His claim to fame was his brotherly love of Teddy as fellow senators gearing up to catapult Obama to the presidency in spite of their differences over wind turbines placed in the ocean view in front of Teddy’s residence.

    hmmm…

  58. Well Bill and Hill will likely be seated between Bushes I and II…that is more preferable than next to “that zero” and his racist wife!!!

  59. I think John Kerry had said that Universal Healthcare is dead on arrival way back in late 2007/early 2008…and then he backed up BO a few months later…..

  60. IMVHO…

    I still contend that the Obama-Kennedy alliance was put together way before the primaries…my theory is this started way back…before or around the time Kerry’s choice for Obama to speak at the Dem convention way back during the Kerry-Edwards fiasco…as in, conjunction with the ‘grooming of Obama’ as democratic rising star at that time..

    I think it was the re-alliance of the Chicago – Daley – Irish, et all ‘political machine’ with the Boston – Kennedy – Irish, et al ‘political machine that was in the making for a long time…O was prepped as the charismatic, black frontman, the ‘future of the party’, if you will…and they would get the minorities, unions, etc together as their coalitions…

    (think back to the Daley-Kennedy alliance during John Kennedy’s campaign…many believe Chicago was the key to JFK’s win)

    combine that with the upcoming convenient ‘fix’ re: Florida and Michigan votes being withheld and then the other ‘traitors’ that abandoned Hillary – Dodd, Richardson and the rest of them…

    and one big other factor…the coordinated collusion of GE (in particular) and constant daily drumbeats of Obama talking points from before the primaries even began and one gets to see the whole thing was orchestrated a long time ago

    (by the way, incidently as I mentioned previously GE was even putting the subliminal talking points of supporting Obama into their TV shows in 2007, 30 Rock, for example, before the primaries even began…NBC, MSNBC/GE started the subliminal Obama campaign way back…I would bet the farm that there are strong Chicago connections to GE, hence NBC, MSNBC)

    …just a ‘slight or perceived insult’ is, imo, not enough…this was a planned, coordinated effort that started way before the primaries…

    in fact, if we look back, those ‘slights’ or perceived insults were being concocted and driven by cable tv and the blogs…we all know how msnbc was daily ‘creating’ stories about Hillary and Bill and the constant drumbeat…

    ********************

    now, if I am at all close to the target of truth, then for the life of me, I cannot understand what planet Mark Penn was living on (and frankly, how Bill could have been blindsided)…and from the inside how the camp could miss so many clues and threats…

    Penn did nothing, nothing to ‘protect’ hillary…how Hillary could be allowed to get pummeled in one caucus after another with no back up plans to retaliate…just tells me that there was an Obama steamroller master plan put into effect long before TK felt any slight about Hillary’s remarks…no, there was something very deep rooted going on…and I believe it was the Chicago-Boston connection…and their media connections

    (btw…all you have to do is watch a pinch of the GE/media coverage of the ted kennedy’s death to see our incestuous the relationship between GE/NBC/MSNBC is with the Kennedy family…Barnacle, Matthews, Mitchell, Brokaw, Williams, Todd…these people are all friends who hang out with each other and the Kennedy family (CNN has theirs too)…loyalists to the Kennedys…on top of being anti-clinton…the odds were so stacked against hillary —except for the VOTERS who kept voting for her)

    …the only thing that threw all those connections for a loop, especially in Mass, was that the voters continued to actually VOTE for Hillary…it screwed up their master plan…(kerry, kennedy, patrick all for obama against the voters in mass choosing hillary by 17 points)

    one last thing…if we all recall, remember after the very first iowa caucus, when things had not even began, and MSNBC, most prominently, started to already call for Hillary to get out of the race…before it even began…and Kucinich called for a revote of NH votes…

    …there was something definitely going on way beyond just some ‘feelings’ getting hurt…

  61. S: I totally agree that everything was planned out in advance. It had to be, nothing else makes any sense. How did the Clinton’s miss this???

  62. THe media is covering for Obama, saying he was told not to come to see him in the last few days. I thought Meanchelle was at Hannisport with Caroline?? What happened to that??
    We all know that POTUS values his vacation more than the duty he has to Ted. They are all out riding bikes and having a good time while the Kennedy’s are burying the last brother.

  63. S, I agree! It was a conspiracy in place for a while to get this all to happen. THe democrats did not want another Clinton in the WH, the only thing that screwed it all up was US. We wanted another Clinton in the WH. I bet that eats on Pooplosi et la.

  64. I don’t believe either Clinton has forgotton what Kennedy and a few others have done to them over the years. They will not show it publically…too much savvy and graciousness for that, but they haven’t forgotten. Both have taken the high road over and over again and both have come out on top because of it.

  65. I;m sure Teresa and John brought plenty of Ketchup / cocktail sauce over for those last few supper parties…….

  66. Joke-in-Chief Flounders:

    How can you fix what you don’t understand?

    realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/26/debate_shows_how_little_obama_understands_98040.html

    Debate Shows How Little Obama Understands
    ================================

    By John Stossel
    August 26, 2009
    “Choice, competition, reducing costs — those are the things that I want to see accomplished in this health reform bill,” President Obama told talk-show host Michael Smerconish last week.

    Choice and competition would be good. They would indeed reduce costs. If only the president meant it. Or understood it.

    In a free market, a business that is complacent about costs learns that its prices are too high when it sees lower-cost competitors winning over its customers. The market — actually, the consumer — holds businesses accountable and keeps them honest. No “public option” is needed.

    So the hope for reducing medical costs indeed lies in competition and choice. Today competition is squelched by government regulation and privilege.

    But Obama’s so-called reforms would not create real competition and choice. They would prohibit it.

    Competition is not a bunch of companies offering the same products and services in the same way. That sterile notion of competition assumes we already know all that there is to know.

    But consumers often don’t know what they want until it’s offered, and their preferences and requirements change. Businesses don’t know exactly what consumers want or the most efficient way to produce it until they are in the thick of the competitive hustle and bustle.

    Nobel laureate F.A. Hayek taught that competition is a “discovery procedure.” In other words, the “data” of supply and demand emerge only through the market process. We need open-ended competition not merely to see which rival is better, but to learn things we didn’t know before and aren’t likely to learn any other way.

    “Competition is valuable only because, and so far as, its results are unpredictable and on the whole different from those which anyone has, or could have, deliberately aimed at,” Hayek wrote.

    Well-meaning politicians have created untold misery by assuming they and their experts know enough already.

    The health care bills are perfect examples. If competition is a discovery process, the congressional bills would impose the opposite of competition. They would forbid real choice.

    In place of the variety of products that competition would generate, we would be forced “choose” among virtually identical insurance plans. Government would define these plans down to the last detail. Every one would have at least the same “basic” coverage, including physical exams, maternity benefits, well-baby care, alcoholism treatment and mental-health services. Consumers could not buy a cheap, high-deductible catastrophic policy. Every insurance company would have to use an identical government-designed pricing structure. Prices would be the same for sick and healthy.

    In this respect, it wouldn’t matter whether or not Congress created a “public option,” a government insurance plan. In either case, bureaucrats would dictate virtually every aspect of the health-insurance business.

    What Obama says in favor of a public option — as of today, at least — tells us how little he understands competition. The public option’s virtue, he told Smerconish, is that “there wouldn’t be a profit motive involved.” But as St. Lawrence University economist Steven Horwitz writes in The Freeman magazine, profit is not just a motive. Profit (along with loss) is what enables competition to perform its discovery role:

    “Suppose for a moment that we try to take the profit motive out of health care by going to a system in which government pays for and/or directly provides the services. … (P)ublic-spirited politicians and bureaucrats have replaced profit-seeking firms.

    “By what method exactly will the officials know how to allocate resources? By what method will they know how much of what kind of health care people want? And more important, by what method will they know how to produce that health care without wasting resources? … In markets with good institutions, profit-seeking producers can get answers to these questions by observing prices and their own profits and losses in order to determine which uses of resources are more or less valuable to consumers. … (P)rofits and prices signal the efficiency (or lack thereof) of resource use and allow producers to learn from those signals.”

    Profit is the key to competition. Anyone who claims to favor competition but looks down at profit has no idea what he is talking about.

  67. Unlike bambi and his family, Hillary doesn’t need to be the center of media attention 24/7

    —————————

    Clinton’s undisclosed location?

    Thu, 08/27/2009

    The whole world knows about Barack Obama and family’s vacation on Martha’s Vineyard. But where is Secretary of State Hillary Clinton? Her official schedule has indicated no public appointments the past few days.

    When Hurricane Bill was lapping at the coast of Bermuda last weekend, news reports indicated that Clinton and former President Bill Clinton were due to head to the island for a few days’ holiday.

    But where is she this week?

    Her undisclosed location came up at a State Department press briefing yesterday, and spokesman Ian Kelly wouldn’t say:

    QUESTION: Where is the Secretary today?

    MR. KELLY: The Secretary is – she’s out of the office.

    QUESTION: But where is she? Where – where is she exactly?

    MR. KELLY: Well, her particular vacation plans are not something that we want to – that’s – it’s not a news story.

    QUESTION: Oh, okay. And is she going to attend the ceremony? [Ted Kennedy’s funeral service].

    But Clinton’s location is no mystery, The Cable was told by an official. She is currently at her home in Chappaqua, New York.

    With Obama’s vacation getting all the media attention, maybe the former first lady is enjoying the benefits of being able to unwind a bit off the media radar.

    (As for the earlier rumors that daughter Chelsea was due to get married this summer at the Vineyard, Clinton told The Cable in July that they aren’t true and they had tried numerous times to kill the rumors and finally given up.)

    thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/08/27/clintons_undisclosed_location

  68. DEMS THROW AWAY CREDIBILITY

    Two faced stance: what’s good for “democracy” under a Republican Gov. is suddently bad when a Dem sits in the statehouse.

    Front page of today’s NYT.

    nytimes.com/2009/08/27/us/politics/27succeed.html_r=1

    Push Grows for Fast Choice on Successor to Kennedy
    =====================================

    By ABBY GOODNOUGH
    Published: August 26, 2009

    BOSTON — The push for swiftly naming an interim successor to Senator Edward M. Kennedy intensified Wednesday in the wake of his death, with Gov. Deval Patrick coming out strongly in favor of the idea and other top state lawmakers indicating they were reluctant to leave the seat vacant for months.

    Mr. Kennedy, concerned about the loss of a Democratic vote during the fevered effort to pass a national health care overhaul — his most cherished legislative goal — had asked state leaders in a letter last week to make such a change possible.

    Wednesday, Democrats in Washington stepped up pressure on the governor to see Mr. Kennedy’s wish fulfilled, and state legislative leaders said they would immerse themselves in the issue after a mourning period for Mr. Kennedy.

    Under current law, a special election could not take place until at least 145 days after a Senate seat opens, in this case, mid-January. Mr. Kennedy’s proposal would let Mr. Patrick, a Democrat, appoint a temporary replacement sooner.

    The governor said he would sign a change in the law if the legislature approved it. He said it was important for Massachusetts to have two voices in the Senate as Congress prepares to vote on overhauling the health care system — contentious legislation whose passage may well require every Democratic vote.

    “It’s a particularly timely request at a time when there are such profoundly important issues pending in the Congress,” Mr. Patrick told reporters outside the State House, adding that he had spoken with Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader, earlier in the day about the importance of filling Mr. Kennedy’s seat. “I’m looking at the issues that are in front of the country right now and how important they are to all of us.”

    Republicans have attacked Mr. Kennedy’s proposal as flagrantly partisan, and indeed, the state’s Democrats are in the awkward position of being asked to reverse their own 2004 vote to keep vacant Senate seats empty until a special election.

    Until that year, Massachusetts law had called for the governor to appoint a temporary replacement if a Senate seat became vacant. But when Senator John Kerry, a Democrat, was running for president in 2004, the Democratically-controlled State Legislature wanted to deny the Republican governor at the time, Mitt Romney, the power to name a successor if Mr. Kerry won. The resulting law requires a special election 145 to 160 days after the vacancy occurs.

    While state legislative leaders stopped short of endorsing Mr. Kennedy’s proposal, they said they were worried that leaving the seat empty for five months could hurt the state. “I think that has to be a concern,” Robert A. DeLeo, the speaker of the House of Representatives, said in a news conference here.

    Mr. DeLeo and Therese Murray, the president of the State Senate, said a hearing on changing the law, originally planned for October, would now probably take place next month.

    In the letter discussing his successor, Mr. Kennedy said any temporary appointee should offer an “explicit, personal commitment” not to run for the seat in the special election. Several supporters of the plan said Wednesday they thought such a guarantee would make it more palatable to Democratic legislators who were worried about backlash.

    “I think a lot of people when they first heard about this were afraid it would be a handoff” to whomever Mr. Patrick appointed as a temporary replacement, said Representative Michael Moran, co-chairman of the legislature’s elections rules committee, which would shepherd through any change in the succession law.

    Mr. Moran said he favored the change and hoped Democratic lawmakers who initially expressed opposition would, too.

    “Ted Kennedy was one of the most impressive senators we’ve ever had,” he said, “and to have him write a letter just prior to his death saying this is something Massachusetts needs — how do you not take that seriously and give your position another look?”

    One question, Mr. Moran and other lawmakers said, is whether it would be constitutional to prohibit a temporary successor from running in the special election.

    As of Wednesday, only six lawmakers had signed a letter in which State Senator Michael O’Leary, whose district includes Mr. Kennedy’s hometown, Hyannis Port, called for the change. Mr. O’Leary acknowledged Wednesday that many of his colleagues were skeptical.

    The legislature is not set to return until after Labor Day, and lawmakers said they would delay discussing the proposal until after Mr. Kennedy’s funeral on Saturday.

    “I think after the senator’s services are over that probably the conversation will become louder,” Ms. Murray said. “I’m reserving my judgment in deference to the family, who really doesn’t want this in the paper right now. Our king is dead and nobody really wants to be discussing this right now.”

    Philip W. Johnston, former head of the Massachusetts Democratic Party, who remains involved in state politics said, “I have a pretty strong feeling that they will do it.” Mr. Johnston added, “The Republicans will say, ‘Isn’t this terrible,’ but the Democrats have nothing to apologize for as long as the temporary appointee is not a candidate for the permanent seat.”

    Several people, inside the family and beyond, have been discussed as possible candidates for Mr. Kennedy’s seat. His wife, confidante and policy adviser, Victoria Reggie Kennedy, has been the subject of speculation as a possible successor, but friends have said she is not interested.

    Other relatives seen as possible heirs include former Representative Joseph P. Kennedy II, Mr. Kennedy’s nephew, who has expressed reluctance to return to politics but who has $2 million in leftover campaign money and has not ruled out a run.

    Since leaving Congress in 1999, Joseph Kennedy has run the Citizens Energy Corporation, a nonprofit organization he founded years earlier to provide affordable heating oil to low-income families. While considered charismatic and a powerful speaker, he has faced criticism for accepting donated oil from the Venezuelan government. His reputation also suffered when his former wife published a book in 1997 saying he had verbally bullied her in his effort to get an annulment. But many Democrats say he would be a formidable contender.

    Outside the family, a number of Massachusetts Democrats are considered possible successors, including United States Representatives Stephen F. Lynch and Michael E. Capuano; state Attorney General Martha Coakley; and former Representative Martin Meehan, who retired in 2007 to become chancellor of the University of Massachusetts, Lowell, but who has about $4.8 million in campaign cash.

    “Much depends on whether a Kennedy will run,” Mr. Johnston said. “I don’t think there will be any discussion until after the funeral, but at that point everyone will make some decisions as to what will happen.”

  69. S Says:
    August 27th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    ==============

    Makes sense to me. I’m not sure about plans being made in quite such detail quite so far back, but I think Obama was definitely being groomed for years (Mayor Daley etc) as a useful national token, and of course those people would oppose Hillary.

    Anyway this kidn of thinking makes much more sense to me than people being ‘miffed.’

  70. …AND GUV PATRICK EAGER TO COOPERATE IN POWER GRAB

    Notice in the very last sentence of the piece, the sophistic argument used by Patrick to weasel out of being called a hypocrit.

    Notice that Kerry only advocates that this measure be temporary. So that if a Republican wins…

    Also notice how many times “personal plea” is used, name-dropping to give the deceased person special privileges. In other words, all citizens are equal, but TK was more equal than anyone else.

    boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/08/27/patrick_backs_push_to_appoint_successor/

    Governor Deval L. Patrick, breaking his silence on the future of Edward M. Kennedy’s Senate seat, yesterday embraced Kennedy’s request that the governor be given the power to appoint someone to the seat until voters can choose a permanent successor in a special election.

    “I’d like the Legislature to take up the bill quickly and get it to my desk and I will sign it,’’ Patrick said in an interview with the Globe, reiterating in his strongest terms what he had been saying throughout the day, as the state and nation absorbed Kennedy’s death and what it would mean for Massachusetts, and for the chamber he served for a half-century.

    Patrick’s public statements add to growing momentum for Kennedy’s plea, which he made last week in a poignant letter to the governor and legislative leaders. Kennedy said that while he supported the state’s current method of filling vacant a Senate seat through a special election, Massachusetts could not afford to go without two senators at such a critical time.

    Under current law, a special election would now be held in January, with a primary scheduled for November or December.

    Some on Beacon Hill had been initially cool to the idea of allowing for an interim appointment, but Kennedy’s death Tuesday, plus personal appeals from influential voices, appear to have shifted the dynamic.

    Kennedy’s widow, Victoria Reggie Kennedy, this week called Senate President Therese Murray, urging Murray to support her husband’s request, State House sources said. Murray had indicated privately that she was reluctant to change the law.

    While Murray and House Speaker Robert DeLeo – whose support for the change in law would be key – remained publicly noncommittal yesterday, the House leader has privately expressed his support for the change, sources involved in the conversations said. Murray in the last few days has signaled that she has softened her opposition and could accept the idea. She even gave the green light to a lieutenant to gather support in the Senate for the legislation.

    Vicki Kennedy has also been in regular contact with Patrick in recent days, including yesterday.

    Pressure to change the law to allow for a temporary appointment came from Washington, too, with Senate majority leader Harry Reid pushing Massachusetts leaders to fill Kennedy’s seat quickly. Reid called Patrick yesterday to express concern over “the promptness with which we fill this vacancy,’’ Patrick said. The governor said that Reid told him that Senate Democrats needed every vote they could get in what are expected to be close Senate votes on health care and climate change this fall.

    “It’s a particularly timely request at a time when there are such profoundly important proposals pending in the Congress right now,’’ Patrick, speaking at a press conference earlier in the day, said of Kennedy’s wish. “Massachusetts needs two voices in the United States Senate.’’

    Senator John F. Kerry also advocated for the change yesterday, stressing that the appointment would only be temporary.

    “I believe a temporary appointment would be the right thing to do,’’ Kerry said after leaving the Kennedy compound in Hyannis Port. “The voice of the people of Massachusetts will be respected.’’

    Publicly, neither Murray nor DeLeo endorsed Kennedy’s request. Murray would not comment on her position when she made a public appearance in Hyannis. DeLeo, at a press gathering at the State House, spoke warmly of the late senator but declined to take a strong position on the issue.

    “I’m still gathering information,’’ he said. “I’m still listening to folks . . . I feel that after the proper period of time, I’m going to sit down, talk to members, and talk to advocates.’’

    DeLeo said his office has been getting e-mails from across the country, pro and con. DeLeo also faces opposition from some of his members, who are feeling the political heat after the Legislature approved a series of tax increases this summer. “In relatively short order, I daresay probably within the next month or so, there will probably be a hearing on the subject,’’ DeLeo said.

    Kennedy had asked in his letter that the governor elicit a commitment from his appointee not to run for the office permanently. State House leaders have concluded that they cannot legally bar any appointee from doing so. The US Supreme Court, in a decision throwing out state term-limit laws imposed on members of Congress, ruled that states cannot set qualifications for holding elected federal office.

    The timing of Kennedy’s death may prompt some other changes in the law. Some election experts on Beacon Hill are suggesting that the current window for the election – set by statute to take place within 145 to 160 days of a vacancy – will not work, because it comes smack in the middle of the holiday season. There is also concern that bad winter weather could seriously dampen voter participation.

    Republicans continue to press their case that the Democrats, who had rejected a GOP attempt for a temporary appointment provision five years ago, were hypocrites. Beacon Hill Democrats, not wanting to give Republican governor Mitt Romney appointment powers in 2004, changed the statute to require a special election.

    Patrick, asked about the critique of hypocrisy yesterday, said he was not in office in 2004.

  71. “S”-I have sent your analysis to many Hillary friend of mine and they are agree 100%!!!! My Irish friend apologized ..lol!!!!

  72. S Says:
    August 27th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    I agree with you “S”. Obama was groomed to run for president as early as 2004 and who knows what plans were in the works long before the Dem convention. Politicians don’t react because of “hurt feelings” or offhand comments. These are very calculating individuals. Each move they make is for a good reason to benefit themselves and their political power. Hillary and Bill publicly support Obama because they are following their political intuition, not their emotions. Ted’s backing of Obama wasn’t just a whim and it didn’t just happen immediately after Hillary’s LBJ comment. That is an excuse that the Dem Party and loyal supporters in the MSM make to somehow place the blame on Hill and Bill for being “racists”. It’s BS. Don’t believe it.

  73. S-
    “now, if I am at all close to the target of truth, then for the life of me, I cannot understand what planet Mark Penn was living on (and frankly, how Bill could have been blindsided)…and from the inside how the camp could miss so many clues and threats…

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    S- there s way more than this… it’s a very complex mess to uravel.. but I’ll give you a start.

    Patti Solis Doyle was Hillary’s Chief of Staff.

    Patti’s job was to sabotage Hillary’s campaign any way she could… even though she had worked for Hillary in the WH and formed a close friendship with Hillary’s for over 13yrs. Patti’s job was to control Hillary’s thinking. The mantra she repeated to Hillary over and over again was this is “HER” thing not Bill’s because “they will accuse you of flying on his coat tails…” she discouraged Hillary from ever bringing Bill in to oversee what was going on while she was on the campaign trail.

    Meanwhile, Mark Penn (unbeknow to us or Hillary) was close to closing a business deal with the Columbian government… strictly forbidden as he was working for Senator Clinton.. Of course Penn’s extra deal making came out and was another embarressment for Hillary to deal with…

    Hillary’s disloyal crew basically did the same thing to her that was done to Gore… distance the canfidate from the smartest politician on Earth by any means necessary. They’re mission was, in short, just make sure BILL doesn’t see what is going on.

    Our Bill went to Iowa for a look see at Hillary’s setup. He arrived there a few days before the caucus, he was horrified at what he saw.. empty unmanned Hillary headquarters, (3) instead of (13) or so at twenty locations, shut down tight with no access to anyone connected to the campaign…maybe a handful of volunteers…NO boots on the ground for helping with Caucus voters. This while watching busloads of Obama college students receiving $$$ coming in droves from over the ILL state line who were registered to vote in Iowa.

    Bill went balistic and shook up Hillary’s campaign… can’t hardly blame him for that. He raised a rukus at Hillary’s Hdq…and wanted PSD fired…I don’t remember if she begged to stay on ..I know she eventualy left but can’t remember just when… But it was too little too late, most of the damage was done… and Hillary finished 3rd… a really poor showing for such a stellar candidate.

    Obama was happy, he finished 1st…Edwards was second… and Hillary was 3rd. They pronounced Obama the winner with the prediction whoever wins Iowa will win the nomination..

    I was not happy atall how the campaign was being run before Iowa. Obama had 3 campaign mgrs… Hillary had one, PSD working part-time and taking care of a toddler at home on the most important campaign of Hillary’s life..I kept saying what is wrong with this picture?…What in the world are they thinking…

    NH came next…. She won NH which was a great upset to the Obama Campaign. They accused her campaign of cheating counting more votes than voters. The O campaign asked for a recount.. Nevertheless, Hillary felt vindicated. She cried in front of the cameras because she needed the win to stay in the race… I cried in front of a TV set in Mexico becaise I knew how much she needed to win…she needed the win not only for the WIN itself but to boost her own self-confidence, she had been campaigning with the right message the people needed to hear.

    After the recount, the O Campaigns accuations were found to be baseless. After the sh*t storm they raised over losing NH, they went away with a whimper. Then came the smoke and mirrors as the pressure mounted from Dr Dean: “Hillary ought to step out of the race”.. “she can’t win and we want a democratic president..”

    Dean and Donna Brazile had already informed FL and MI they would be punished if they changed their election date and went early… thats a whole nother discussion….

    Bill was on the job and looking out for her as he might have been from the getgo… if only… Lesson Learned…

  74. August 27, 2009

    Democrats accused of using Edward Kennedy’s death to promote reforms

    Democrats were accused of exploiting the death of Senator Edward Kennedy yesterday after immediately trying to use his name to revive President Obama’s flagging attempt to overhaul the US healthcare system.

    Within hours of Mr Kennedy’s death on Wednesday leading Democrats were trying to turn it into a rallying point for healthcare reform — something that he had called the “cause of my life” — and suggested that any legislation should carry his name.

    “[It was] the passion of his life,” David Obey, the Democratic chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, said. “Above all else, he would want us to redouble our efforts to achieve it.”

    Robert Byrd, the senior Senate Democrat, called for the passage of healthcare legislation that would bear Mr Kennedy’s name, and Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House, said: “Ted Kennedy’s dream of quality healthcare for all Americans will be made real this year because of his leadership and his inspiration.”

    Their comments came as mourners gathered at the Kennedy compound in Cape Cod for a private Mass commemorating the senator, who died of brain cancer. He will be buried tomorrow evening close to his assassinated brothers, President John F. Kennedy and Robert Kennedy, in Arlington National Cemetery, across the Potomac river from Washington.

    Attempts to use the emotion of the moment to revitalise hopes of healthcare legislation quickly ran up against the harsh political realities of Washington and the immediate practical impact that Mr Kennedy was perhaps the only politician on Capitol Hill who could have forged a bipartisan compromise.

    His death, and the news that a special election to fill his seat will not take place until January, also means that Mr Obama will be without a 60th majority Senate vote in the critical weeks ahead, when the fate of his healthcare plan will probably be decided.

    Republicans were happy to praise Mr Kennedy but none appeared ready to embrace the healthcare reform plans to honour the memory of the political giant. Three Republican senators who were close to Mr Kennedy — John McCain, Orrin Hatch and Judd Gregg — said that healthcare legislation would be much closer to passage if Mr Kennedy had been able to be involved in negotiations in recent months, when he was fighting the brain cancer that eventually killed him. “I think we may have made progress on this issue if he had been there,” Mr McCain said. “He had this unique capability to sit people down at a table together and really negotiate, which means concessions. And so, he not only will be missed, but he has been missed.”

    Mr Hatch said: “We would have worked it out on a bipartisan basis.”

    Ed Feulner, the president of the conservative Heritage Foundation, chastised Democrats for invoking Mr Kennedy in their push for healthcare reform. He said: “It is wrong and tactless to use Senator Kennedy’s death, or anyone’s, simply to advance a particular policy agenda. This is a time for genuine tribute, not crass politics.”

    Rush Limbaugh, the conservative radio talk-show host, said: “The Left is exploiting him, his death and his legacy, and they are going to do it, as predicted, to push healthcare through.”

    Liberal pressure groups joined the calls for a drive on healthcare after Mr Kennedy’s death. MoveOn.org called on its supporters to “recommit ourselves to achieving the thing that mattered most” to the senator.

    Mr Obama, who is on holiday in Martha’s Vineyard, made no reference to healthcare in his tributes to Mr Kennedy on Wednesday. Yet he and his aides will be acutely aware that the senator’s death could help them in solving one of the thorniest problems in the healthcare debate: the splits within the Democratic Party. Mr Obama not only faces opposition from Republicans but many moderate Democrats who are skittish about voting for a government-run health system, something that the powerful liberal caucus in the House insists has to be included.
    The split has complicated Mr Obama’s attempt to get a Bill through Congress. Yet Mr Kennedy’s death might persuade the factions within the party to put their differences aside and unify behind some sort of healthcare legislation.

    Mr Obama might well have to end up ramming a Bill through Congress without Republican support, something he will struggle to do without a unified Democratic Party.

    timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6812988.ece

  75. This important factoid should have been included in the last post. Patti Solis Doyle’s brother just happened to be a Selectman in Chicago. He was working directly/indirectly for Obama’s campaign.

    Every move Hillary made was fed by PSD to her brother. When PSD was forced out of Hillary’s campaign, within the blink of an eye, she went to work for Obama.. There is no doubt how much responsibility this woman carries for the damage done to Hillary’s Campaign.

    Hillary the magnificent survived it all. She had a good chance of taking the Dem Nomination in Denver.. that is yet another chapter in the events taking place giving Obama the Dem Nomination.

  76. Shame on him! He’s thrilled that he can make political profit from Kennedy’s death.

    ———————————

    White House: Obama won’t referee Kennedy legacy

    (AP) – 4 hours ago

    OAK BLUFFS, Mass. — The White House says President Barack Obama is not going to referee groups who are using Sen. Edward M. Kennedy’s death to push for an overhaul of the nation’s health care system.

    White House spokesman Bill Burton on Thursday said that now is not the time to discuss the political implications of Kennedy’s death. But Burton says Obama isn’t going to try to police how activists use the Massachusetts Democrat’s memory to advance proposed changes to health care system.

    Kennedy died on Tuesday in nearby Hyannis Port, Mass. Obama plans to leave his vacation here on Martha’s Vineyard to deliver a eulogy.

    google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iFfHj4HFbcBgE-0LZFA2PJott7DwD9ABCNR80

  77. Yes, JanH thanks… it was a long and weary road we all traveled “once upon a time.”

    Our girl is still on TOP and for me, thats all that counts for now.

  78. Mrs. Smith Says:

    August 27th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
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    Mrs. Smith, I do not dispute one word of what you say and agree with you…however I am actually constructing what I believe to have happend way before that…years in the making actually with Chicago/Boston – Daley/Kennedy…the connection between Obama and Kennedy, if you will…and the GE/media connection to facilitate the daily drumming of the storylines…

    for example, there was less than a point between Edwards and Hillary in Iowa but the story line from the media made it sound like it was massive…

    and actually the whole thing about the busing in is, in part, of I am getting at…fully planned strategy way before the first primary…and isn’t it interesting that Iowa is right next to Illinois and made it so easy to get right out of the gate with the busing and overpowering from the first caucus right to continue to the last…(who can forget texas?)

    and finally, as I recall isn’t Patty Solis Doyle from Chicago?? a mole, as it were????

    you and I are in agreement from the point you pick up the story…my theory is really backstory and the manifestation as time went on…

    …and as you say…the busing in to caucuses continued and the intimidation continued but with no party elders stepping in to do anything…a blind eye, in fact, and the media remained silent…and by that time, if Bill were to say or do anything, he had already been marginalized as a racist and ridiculed daily on tv as to hurting Hill’s camp, bla, bla..

    frankly, this is what is so disturbing about the O admin…their tactics, their deception, and now their attempt to consolidate total power and eliminate any critics or opposition, even within their own party…no one is spared…anyone will be demonized…

    please do misconstrue that I imply that Bill was not doing what he could…I love and respect Bill and worked on his campaign in LA…however even Bill was at a big disadvantage to that caucus strategy and even with the notion of the ‘Clinton machine’ and the cache and love of Bill as a former President…I do believe that Chicago and Boston had an alliance…perhaps an alliance Bill was able to use in the past…but now was backing Obama…and it was not really seen for how intense it was until later when…

    oh, gee TK was offended by a few words Hillary said and then decided to pass the ‘torch’ to Obama…no, I do not believe that…this was planned…

  79. The Obama maniacs aren’t too happy with the new label: Kennedy Care!

    Obama short-circuited that in a hurry. Obama wants to be known as the Health Care President.. lol

  80. “however I am actually constructing what I believe to have happend way before that…years in the making actually with Chicago/Boston – Daley/Kennedy…the connection between Obama and Kennedy, if you will…and the GE/media connection to facilitate the daily drumming of the storylines…”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I did find the beginning…. the beginning was, if you want the timeline was when Obama lost his first bid for State Senator. He was called to DC by Karl Rove for a talk… the rest is history.

    Here’s something else to think about.. The DNC (Howard Dean & Co) got the Florida Republican held Legislature to set the date of their choosing for the Primary election.

    People like Soros in concert with Murdock bought and payed for the media giants, US media, to support Obama and diss Hillary.

    The only time we came up for air was when Tim Russert decided to pass on. He was the hub of the wheel holding the media message together. Only because he was called elsewhere did his loss reflect a crack in Obama’s campaign plans…

  81. JBstonesfan…nothing against the Irish…I love the Irish…but for these two camps it was brutal politics…that hardball chicago and no slouch boston mentality and take no prisoners…

    every time I think of O saying “it is time to turn the page” as if the Clintons were no longer relevant and all the young people he turned against them…I could scream…and I think I hear JanH screaming with me… (and the whole Kennedy clan agreeing with O) ugh!!!

  82. Actually, Kennedy deserves a better health care bill that may bear his name. Would he really have been in favor this hot mess? The proposed bill remains me of Medicare Part D, the only beneficiaries are the drug and insurance companies. The people are SOL (s*** out of luck).

  83. The Realist:

    Thanks for the Kerry video. He was definitely on the outs with Kennedy. I don’t think Kerry has ever gotten over the SOS position going to Hillary when BO promised it to him. Knowing him, he must have whined and whined and whined to Obama until Obama got him a Chairmanship of the FP Committee.

    Kerry made a fool of himself last year inviting Tony Blair to his summer residence on MV. Looking for some of Tony’s insight into foreign policy.. dufus… what a joke!

  84. rgb44hrc Says:
    August 27th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Joke-in-Chief Flounders:

    How can you fix what you don’t understand?

    realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/26/debate_shows_how_little_obama_understands_98040.html

    Debate Shows How Little Obama Understands
    ================================

    By John Stossel
    August 26, 2009
    “Choice, competition, reducing costs — those are the things that I want to see accomplished in this health reform bill,” President Obama told talk-show host Michael Smerconish last week.

    Choice and competition would be good. They would indeed reduce costs. If only the president meant it. Or understood it.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    rgb44hrc:

    When did John Stossel become so outspoken? Pointing to Obama’s stupidity?

  85. just heard that the Mass legislation and Patrick are thinking of putting in Paul Kurtz (sp), 71 year old dem, as temp person to hold Kennedy’s seat until special election…not a done deal…but being floated…kurtz also has close ties to O…seem to remember him from Clinton days???

  86. NewMexicoFan Says:

    August 27th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
    S as I remember Clinton was endorsed by some of the Kennedy’s

    ********************************************

    yes you are right…robert kennedy junior and kathleen kennedy townsend, and i think kerry kennedy endorsed hillary…

    i got carried away…guess it is because the news keeps replaying that image of that rally and then oprah and Mo with maria and caroline etc…

    but you are so right, there were a few that stuck with us…

  87. Those replayed images might really be a detriment at this point, reminding everyone who help create this false image.

    Just has a relative lose their home. They have to be out by Monday. Nothing in OOs stimulus bill could save them. As I remember there have been very few refinancings. So what is happening to the rest of the money.

  88. The Kennedy’s didn’t stick with us; they were in place to see what was going on in Hillary’s campaign. They had their feet in both camps. How could they lose? There were there to see how much money Hillary raised; pass along names of donors to her campaign to Obamas; they were there to report on her demeaner;

    The Kennedys are rotten to the core..All of them!

  89. The rest of the money is going into the corrupt mob connections in Chi-town, LOL!!

    Krautenhammer(?) was dissing Bambi alot tonight on Fox, he says this is a terrible mistake to have his own interrogation team.

    If you just sit and think about for a minute, you remember that Sadam Hussein also had his own interrogation team!!

  90. Mrs.Smith, so you think the Kennedy’s that backed Hillary were moles?? Your probably right!! I agree the Kennedys are rotten to the core. I have read so much about JFK, and his Presidency in this day and time he would have impeached. His sexual dalies would have sunk him. Well, on second thought he could just get Peter Lawford to give the ole gal an enema laced with enough drugs to kill whoever threatened POTUS.

    I thought Bobby was the best brother!

  91. confloyd:

    I respected RFK and JFK, they had a vision for America and they worked hard to make their visions a reality. A Man on the Moon, Pioneering Civil Rights… Teddy was never the caliber of man his brothers were. He didn;t grow up with them. He was never entrusted with getting a job done. Ted was the playboy of the family. The responsibility always went to the older ones, never to him.

  92. I am not convinced AT ALL that Bobby Kennedy junior was not solidly for Hillary. I still think he is a good guy.

    But John Stossel is an ass and has been for as long as I can remember. There are so many false statements in his piece they are not worth taking apart.

  93. just a thought here…evidently TK’s book is being pushed up and released in the next few weeks…all i can say is, he better not have anything negative about the clintons in that book…he better not have all that racist BS in there…the BS that he, the O camp and the media made up…

  94. Kerry said after leaving the Kennedy compound in Hyannis Port. “The voice of the people of Massachusetts will be respected.’’

    Unbelievable comment from a Senator who voted against the will of the majority of Democratic voters to put O over Hillary…..didn’t Hillary win MA by some 17% points?

  95. carol, i agree with you on bobby kennedy jr and actually Kathleen Kennedy Townsend too…

    I think the steamrolling came from TK – Kerry – Patrick – Axelrod – Daley – Craig – the other one with the cute baby face, can’t remember his name now – and the rest of them (so many of them damn turncoats from the old clinton days – SOB’s)

    rahm had to be in there too…hard to believe he was neutral…the big guns in chicago and boston and all their peripheral people and groups

  96. s, the big guns in chicago and boston= as LBJ called them the “Irish Mob”.

    Mrs. Smith, yes I used to feel JFK was a great man, but I just can’t get past the womanizing that he did. I guess it was the times, men just got away with it more in those days. It was expected that men would have mistresses, especially if they were rich. It doesn’t make it any more right though.

    I do agree that Teddy was the real womanizer, afterall, he was the better looking of the three. I did like Bobby the most and he had many children with the same woman. He had a real Catholic family.

  97. Bobby was the best of the three and his son Bobby Jr. is the only one left in the family who has real potential to continue the legacy of his father and uncles. The rest will only have their name and money to buy their way into politics or non-profit work. Caroline’s disastrous “run” for NY Senate comes to mind. It was just downright embarrassing to watch her try to get through an interview.

  98. S Says:

    August 27th, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    ———————–

    I agree. Sigh…my work is never done…lol…another book to turn over or hide in the bookstores.

  99. S Says:
    August 27th, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    S: It would be very unwise for Ted to mention anything negative about the Clintons in his book. I don’t know why he’d want the 2008 election to be what everyone talks about weeks after his death. I think Ted will probably mention his assistance in endorsing and helping Obama win the presidency. As many said here last night, helping the first black president ties into his brothers’ work during the civil rights movement of the 60s. Will he mention the current disastrous job Obama is now doing with his life’s work, health care reform? I’m betting he will end on an optimistic note and say something like, with Obama’s help we’ll have universal health care in the next decade. I would be surprised to see Ted criticize anything Obama has done. But the Clintons? Maybe he will explain (i.e. lie) about his reasons for endorsing Obama over Clinton.

  100. I can’t seem to get into some of the blogs I have been reading for almost 2 years. I don’t know these bots seem to work 24/7 destroying our ability to get information back and forth. Its downright scary sometimes if you just sit back and think about what has happened in only 7 short months. How is this nation going to survive 3years and 5 months. I am voting for anyone that can walk up to the podium and say “I am here to take back our country”. Thats all they’ll have to say to get my vote.

  101. Jan H .. *snicker*

    Have to share what I did today. I was walking through the Walmart parking lot and came upon this dirty vehicle that had “obama rama” wrote on the back windshield. I marked out the “rama” and replaced it with “sucks”. A young man walking right behind said “hey lady, you got some balls”, I laughed and said, “yeah, too bad teh one in the White House doesn’t have any”. We both shared laughter all the way to the store.

    One year ago I’d never thought of doing something like that.

    I too turn over every magazine that has his mug on it. This particular Walmart store used to have the poster rack right by the front door and his mug would be front and center and I’d go by and turn the whole rack so his poster would be last. They have since moved the poster rack.

    I can’t stand him or Meschelle’s and who ever the fuck is dressing her ought to be fired and Meschelle should be fired for hiring her. She is a disaster. Wonder what montrosity she’ll show up at the funeral in.

  102. confloyed:

    Mrs. Smith, yes I used to feel JFK was a great man, but I just can’t get past the womanizing that he did.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    These are rumored to be JFk’s words when asked about his extra cariccular activities.

    “At least, I’m not out F*cking the country”

    Well now we know what he meant!

  103. Well written, and an especially excellent ending:

    “But too many of us have been driven over the bridge to weep today. We can remember. We can carry our own candles now.”

  104. Trixta: “Why did TK support BO over HRC? According to an article I read last year, Ted gave his support to BO so that he could force HRC’ to leave her Senate seat (by shutting her out of any meaningful committee), which would then go to Caroline K. ”

    I’m missing something here…. If he had supported HRC and she had won, that senate seat would be open, as well….

    TK did some good things, but he also did some HORRENDOUS things – usually in relation to women. In addition to the drowning and what he did to Hillary, for most of his life (until he married the most recent wife) he was a huge womanizer. I don’t think he had much respect for women, to be honest. So those good things he did were in the context of a lifelong pattern of bad stuff, IMO….

  105. Obamacare: The Only Exit Strategy

    By Charles Krauthammer
    Friday, August 28, 2009

    Obamacare Version 1.0 is dead. The 1,000-page monstrosity that emerged in various editions from Congress was done in by widespread national revulsion not just at its expense and intrusiveness but also at the mendacity with which it is being sold. You don’t need a PhD to see that the promise to expand coverage and reduce costs is a crude deception, or that cutting $500 billion from Medicare without affecting care is a fiction.

    But there is an exit strategy. And a politically clever one, if the Democrats are smart enough to seize it.

    (1) Forget the public option. Whatever the merits, and they are few, it is political poison. It dies by the Liasson Logic, the unassailable observation by NPR’s Mara Liasson that there are no liberal Democrats who will lose their seats if the public option is left out, while there are many moderate Democrats who could lose their seats if the public option is included.

    (2) Jettison any reference to end-of-life counseling. People see (correctly) such Medicare-paid advice as subtle encouragement to voluntarily refuse treatment. People don’t want government involvement in a process they consider the private province of patient, family and doctor. The Senate is already dropping it. The House must follow.

    (3) Soft-pedal the idea of government committees determining “best practices.” President Obama’s Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research was sold as simply government helping doctors choose the best treatments. But there are dozens of medical journal review articles that do just that. The real purpose of such councils is ultimately to establish official criteria for denying reimbursement to less favored (because presumably less effective) treatments — precisely the triage done by the NICE committee in Britain, the Orwellian body that once blocked access to a certain expensive anti-blindness drug until you went blind in one eye. (NICE: the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence.)

    (4) More generally, abandon the whole idea of Obamacare as cost-cutting. True, it was Obama’s original rationale for creating a whole new entitlement at a time of a sinking economy and a bankrupt Treasury. But, as many universal-health-care liberals complain, selling pain is poor salesmanship.

    (5) Promise nothing but pleasure — for now. Make health insurance universal and permanently protected. Tear up the existing bills and write a clean one — Obamacare 2.0 — promulgating draconian health-insurance regulation that prohibits (a) denying coverage for preexisting conditions, (b) dropping coverage if the client gets sick and (c) capping insurance company reimbursement.

    What’s not to like? If you have insurance, you’ll never lose it. Nor will your children ever be denied coverage for preexisting conditions. The regulated insurance companies will get two things in return. Government will impose an individual mandate that will force the purchase of health insurance on the millions of healthy young people who today forgo it. And government will subsidize all the others who are too poor to buy health insurance. The result? Two enormous new revenue streams created by government for the insurance companies.

    And here’s what makes it so politically seductive: The end result is the liberal dream of universal and guaranteed coverage — but without overt nationalization. It is all done through private insurance companies. Ostensibly private. They will, in reality, have been turned into government utilities. No longer able to control whom they can enroll, whom they can drop and how much they can limit their own liability, they will live off government largess — subsidized premiums from the poor; forced premiums from the young and healthy.

    It’s the perfect finesse — government health care by proxy. And because it’s proxy, and because it will guarantee access to (supposedly) private health insurance — something that enjoys considerable Republican support — it will pass with wide bipartisan backing and give Obama a resounding political victory.

    Isn’t there a catch? Of course there is. This scheme is the ultimate bait-and-switch. The pleasure comes now, the pain later. Government-subsidized universal and virtually unlimited coverage will vastly compound already out-of-control government spending on health care. The financial and budgetary consequences will be catastrophic. However, they will not appear immediately. And when they do, the only solution will be rationing. That’s when the liberals will give the FCCCER regulatory power and give you end-of-life counseling.

    But by then, resistance will be feeble. Why? Because at that point the only remaining option will be to give up the benefits we will have become accustomed to. Once granted, guaranteed universal health care is not relinquished. Look at Canada. Look at Britain. They got hooked; now they ration. So will we.

    letters@charleskrauthammer.com

    washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/27/AR2009082703262.html

  106. dot48 Says:

    August 27th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
    *********************************

    too funny…probably sound loud floral print with a high waist belt and some CONTRASTING sweater…

  107. Mrs. Smith, 10:21 ROTFLMAO!! Well we sure have learned that!! Obama is teaching us that! Please give back our womanizer, at least we had a balance budget and we had money in the bank.

    Maybe thats whats wrong with Obama he some other curricular activity besides robbing the taxpayers!

  108. HighlyEducatedHillarySupporter Says:

    August 27th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
    Bobby was the best of the three and his son Bobby Jr. is the only one left in the family who has real potential to continue the legacy of his father and uncles.
    ***********************

    I have said this very same thing

  109. THis is what I don’t get why all the Kennedy women seem to love their womanizing husband, father and uncle, WTF is up with that. Maybe Joe and Rose taught their girls their place in life??

    I still think that Eunice did a lot for a woman of her age, since at that time it wasn’t accepted for women to do anything except keep house and bare children.

    Mrs. Smith, I really don’t hate the Kennedy’s, I am just pist and have been since the primary. I used to want Teddy to be President and was disapointed when Carter got the nomination.

  110. confloyd Says:

    August 27th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
    The rest of the money is going into the corrupt mob connections in Chi-town, LOL!!

    Krautenhammer(?) was dissing Bambi alot tonight on Fox, he says this is a terrible mistake to have his own interrogation team.
    **************************

    It’s probably headed by MoZilla and her mother!

  111. The Kennedys are rotten to the core..All of them!

    Mrs Smith

    *****************

    I don’t think Bobby Jr , NO, not him, sorry

  112. confloyed:

    I don’t hate anyone. It would take more effort and time than I’d be willing to invest to hate people.

    btw- where IS wbb anyway? He’s been MIA for quite awhile.

  113. southern born, I don’t know I cant get on those sites either! The bots are at it again!

    mrs smith, hate was too strong a word for what I was trying to say. I just don’t have any use for them and I dislike what they did to Hillary. The country is having to pay for the selfishness of TK. I just heard on FOX that TK could have passed HC during the Nixon administration, but Tk did not want to work with him. He robbed the only person that really could have got it passed, this time around.

    I have been meaning to ask you all about wbboei. I haven’t heard from him either!

  114. confloyed said: I used to feel JFK was a great man, but I just can’t get past the womanizing that he did.

    —————

    Him and Bill. We should send all good guys a case of cigars.

  115. turndownobama, To be completely honest I had a problem with BC for a long time. I saw how devoted he was to Hillary during the primary and that helped alot. He was a great President, but had the morals of an alleycat. To tell you the truth, Hillary is too good for him. I think he has come along way since Monica. Everyone makes mistakes, but it doesn’t look like the Kennedy men ever had to answer to theirs and they took them to their grave.

    I personally think Hillary would have been a better POTUS than Bill. Chelsea said that during one of her interviews and I believed her. I just hope CHelsea will get into politics, she a natural. She is a great young lady, not like those BUshes or the rest of those Presidential daughters I have seen in my lifetime. I don’t know about Nixon’s girls, they pretty much stay out of the public eye.

  116. I heard that Richardson is off the hook with his investigation. I guess he will be on the cabinet sooner or later. I not very fond of him now either. I used to like him during the Clinton administration, but know NO!

  117. I went over to 4therepublic and could not find RBO but I’m not great with searches.

    Did anyone find RBO over there or anything that seems like RBO?

  118. SouthernBorn, I also could not find it. I don’t know what happened to RBO. I also can’t get into TexasDarlin. I also was at I think Cannonfire and tried to click on a link. This link was blocked and said my searches were subversive and I could not open the link. So apparently we are being watched. This warning was pretty weird.

  119. It took me over a year to get over the election and come back here. I simply cannot take a blow by blow rehash of it all. Maybe if the admin could post a note whenever everybody is done talking about the Kennedys and stealing the election, those of us who can’t take it can come back again.

    BTW, the guys at Red State keep hearing from good sources that Panetta is going to walk out the door.

  120. Good Morning Big Pinkers! Woke up with a horrible head ache. Had to take hubby back yesterday, he just got out of the hospital on Tuesday, his chest tube drain incision abcessed and he got pneumonia. Feeling better but still lots of pussy blood coming out of the hole in his chest. Someone at the hospital was talking with him and he said they told him that he better hopes this obamacare doesn’t pass .. a case like his would be sent home with oral antibiotics and then he’d need to just keep his fingers crossed for the best.

  121. hwc, I am sorry you feel that way. As for me it does me GOOD to rehash the whole sordid affair.

    I cannot let it fade it my memory, I’m afraid I’ll go back to my old dimwit ways.

    This place for me is about friendship and discussion and yes, venting.

  122. On Richardson, their seemed to be some sweeping under the rug. On the news it was like the investigation would remain open so they could go back and look at it again. It really sounds like a Dims whitewash to me.

    However, I would like him gone, so our HRC supporter, the LTG can get some time in the job. It would help her be elected, and I think she deserves that. Of course Richardson has more skeletons in his closet, but who knows if OO thinks they are important. If they are, he will leak them to the National I like someone did Edward scandal. The grocery store rag sheets are full of it.

  123. From RCP;

    ABC, NBC Refuse To Air TV Ads Critical Of Health Care Reform

    FOX News: “The refusal by ABC and NBC to run a national ad critical of President Obama’s health care reform plan is raising questions from the group behind the spot — particularly in light of ABC’s health care special aired in prime time last June and hosted at the White House.

    The 33-second ad by the League of American Voters, which features a neurosurgeon who warns that a government-run health care system will lead to the rationing of procedures and medicine, began airing two weeks ago on local affiliates of ABC, NBC, FOX and CBS. On a national level, however, ABC and NBC have refused to run the spot in its present form.”

    The Ads will get more publicity, be on all the news programs and get millions of views on You Tube…what collusive idiots…

  124. Good morning all. Admin where is wbboei?

    dot48 keep your chin up.

    hwc, it probably should be OK to come back and discuss a day or two after the funeral. Yes, I know it is painful, but some of us don’t want to forget that pain, as by forgetting it, it might look like we accepted it.

    It feels good to be back reading on a regular basis. When I am out of pocket, I don’t have the time to spend that I want to, to keep up here.

  125. Obama’s job-approval at new low, 50 percent, in Gallup Poll

    Mark Silva – Washington, D.C. Bureau

    President Barack Obama, who won the White House with an Electoral College landslide and enjoyed soaring public approval for the job he was doing in the weeks following his inauguration, has fallen to 50-percent job-approval in the newest daily tracking of the Gallup Poll released just now.

    The new low for Obama in the Gallup Poll, which measured the president’s public job-approval at a peak of 69 percent after his inauguration in January, tracks other national polls which recently have gauged his approval ratings at 51 percent.

    It also coincides with apparent growing public concern about a protracted debate over health care in Washington, Gallup and other pollsters have found.

    Should the slide continue, Obama will by no means be the first president to slide below 50-percent job approval in the Gallup Poll, which has been tracking public approval of presidents since Harry Truman. But Obama has reached his own personal new low more quickly than most of his predecessors did, according to Gallup. The percentage of people voicing disapproval for the job the president is performing also stands at a near-high of 43 percent.

    Slipping below 50 percent before November of the first year in office would represent “the third-fastest drop” since World War II, Gallup reports. Republican Gerald Ford slipped below 50 percent in his third month as president, Democrat Bill Clinton during his fourth month.

    It took Republican President Dwight Eisenhower five years to fall below 50 percent in the public’s eye, Gallup notes. It took both Republican George Bush’s roughly three years. It took Democrat Lyndon Johnson and Republican Richard Nixon more than two years.

    “Ford’s quick descent to below-majority approval was hastened by his unpopular decision to pardon Nixon in September 1974,” Gallup’s Jeffrey Jones reports. “Clinton also suffered from a series of missteps in attempting to change policy (gays in the military), fill positions within his administration (failed nominees Zoe Baird, Kimba Wood, and Lani Guinier), and controversy over a haircut he received aboard Air Force One at Los Angeles International Airport,” the pollster notes.

    It’s also not necessarily an irreversible trend, Gallup points out: Clinton and Republican President Ronald Reagan, who dropped below majority approval “faster than most other presidents,” easily won reelection to a second term.

    The latest findings of the Gallup tracking poll come from surveys of about 1,500 adults conducted Aug. 25-27 with a possible margin of error of plus or minus three percentage points.

    sns-dc-obama-poll,0,2028486.story

  126. Corrected link for article posted above.

    chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-dc-obama-poll,0,2028486.story

  127. Math Question

    256 dems in house
    178 repub
    52 blue dog dems, who will not vote for a bill with a “public option”
    0 repub supporters of the house bill…period
    # of BD votes needed to defeat any bill with a public option…40

    How can Pelosi claim she HAS the votes, and why doesn’t Big Media, who love the “horse race” aspect of politics much more than the boring issues, discussing the numbers? Isn’t the blue dog coalition committed against the public option?

    just asking…

  128. Obama Administration Sued Over Healthcare Enemies List

    August 27, 2009 By Peter Roff, Thomas Jefferson Street blog

    A doctors’ group and an organization that advocates for the interest of the inner-city poor have joined forced to sue the Obama administration, charging that its abortive effort to collect criticisms made by those opposed to President Obama’s plan to change the U.S. health care system infringed on their First Amendment rights.

    In a complaint filed Thursday in U.S. District Court, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons and the Coalition for Urban Renewal and Education said the White House had attempted to “unlawfully” collect information on protected political speech when it asked Obamacare supporters to report any negative comments about the proposal to a U.S. government email address, flag@whitehouse.gov.

    The specific effort, which was launched on August 4 as part of the White House’s “rapid response” Health Insurance Reform Reality Check, was quickly abandoned after members of Congress raised questions about it. Nevertheless, say the two groups filing suit, the information collection effort continues under another name and is part of an “unlawful pattern and practice to collect and maintain information” on the exercise of free speech, which “continues in violation of the Privacy Act and First Amendment even if the Defendants terminate a particular information-collection component due to negative publicity.”

    “My hate mail started shortly after the White House issued the ‘fishy’ request,” said Kathryn Serkes, AAPS’ Director of Policy and Public Affairs. “We were quite visible and vocal before then, so it doesn’t seem like a coincidence. Who did they share their data with? With whom might they share it?”

    In the suit, the groups are demanding the White House remove all information already collected, and further, be prohibited from collecting any personal data in the future.

    usnews.com/blogs/peter-roff/2009/08/27/obama-administration-sued-over-healthcare-enemies-list.html

  129. So now they are saying that Chris Dodds can juggle the finance and healthcare mantle all by himself.

    What a joke.

  130. confloyd Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 12:35 am

    mrs smith, hate was too strong a word for what I was trying to say. I just don’t have any use for them and I dislike what they did to Hillary.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I agree. Hate is a strong word. The Obama Campaign used every dirty trick in the book to Win. The strategy used by Hillary was simple, “Tell it like it IS” and for all intents and purposes worked for her.

    Her plans and policies resonated with the people. As she endured and persevered to the end of her campaign, the People were turning towards her rather than the “empty words” spoken by Obama. Had there been a fight for the nomination, I believe, the delegates who were intimidated by Obama thugs would have thrown caution to the wind, stepped out of the shadows and put her over the top.

    Sure, it pains me as it does many of you here to rehash some of the dirty tricks that went on during the Primary. But at the same time… it is a real part of history. We can’t forget or ever underestimate an opponent again.

    You have to remember there are many who supported Richardson, Biden, Edwards and Obama still trickling into the light of Big Pink and are trying to puzzle out what happened to Hillary’s campaign. Afterall, she was/is better presidential material than Obama could ever hope to be.

    We’ve licked our wounds and wear our battle scars well. We know who is and who isn’t the real deal… and we move on- for another day.

  131. Mrs. Smith

    Of those people wounded either by a death of a loved one or a fraudulent campaign, I think you have to decide what you are going to do with all of that anger and hurt.

    When a loved one dies, a lot of people decide to fix something, usually something that contributed to the death of their loved one.

    With a Fraudulent campaign or any fraud, you keep their feet to the fire, and continue to speak out. There were those who suspected that the ponzie trick was going on, and many did not listen. There were people in and out of the organizations that have fraudent books that presented false pictures to the investment world that did speak out. They kept that candle burning, by saying something smells rotten in the State of Denmark.

    That is exactly what we are doing here. SOMETHING IS ROTTEN IN THE STATE OF OO

    Always has been, and always will be, and we stand here remembering, and stating again, hay, don’t you remember so and so!. We will not forget that, and oh by the way, that is exactly what they are doing now.

    I got a photo from a friend who Lives in Alameda, CA of the Town hall, and the protestors there. There were no swatikas, and the people look very normal. That person posted it on their face book. A friend came back and really denouced the healthcare plan proposed with a story of a doctor friend who basically was telling OO that is was bad, and how he is being ignored. I am not sure where this person stands, but it does tell you that at all ages, this is an important issued, and we are sharing our information on a very personnel level.

  132. I think the big question here is how does OO dig his way out of the hole he has built for himself. In the persons that have been able to do that, such as BC, he had a personality that really grew on people.

    I really don’t see that sort of personality in OO. If 2010 turns bad for his majority, and he is unable to reach across the aisle, which we have seen none of, then how can there be much in accomplishments?

    I love statistics, and economics, but each new event stands alone. Meaning, the environment that things happen in are different, and what works the first time, might not work this time. In the last few recessions, we had manufacturing, and service jobs in this economy. Now when you talk to people in the field of manufacturing, they say, well we can really do this cheaper overseas, like they are doing a favor to the country to manufacture anything here.

    They call people disloyal for purchasing a foreign car, even if it has been put together in the US, yet, we accept the fact that we cannot call manufacturers disloyal when they take 5,000 jobs overseas.

  133. NewMexicoFan Says:

    August 28th, 2009 at 9:04 am
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    NMF…Richardson will probably become a czar for O!

  134. blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/08/our-opinion-let-voters-replace-kennedy.html

    Let voters replace Kennedy

    Five years ago, Massachusetts’ Democrat-controlled legislature did the right thing for the wrong reason when it stripped the governor of the power to fill a vacant U.S. Senate seat and mandated quick special elections.

    It was the right thing because voters, not governors, should choose who represents them on Capitol Hill. It was the wrong reason because Democrats simply wanted to block then-Gov. Mitt Romney from appointing a fellow Republican if Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., won the presidential race and vacated his seat.

    Today, the governor is Democrat Deval Patrick, and guess what? Unsurprisingly but hypocritically, the Democratic legislature is considering whether to return to the governor the power to appoint a senator to fill the seat of the late Edward Kennedy.

    Patrick said Wednesday that he thought it’s a great idea.

    So did Kennedy. Shortly before he died, the veteran Democratic senator sent the governor a letter urging such a change and suggesting that whoever was appointed to the seat should agree not to run for election. Kennedy argued that the state should be represented at all times by two senators, and that even an accelerated special election — the 2004 law calls for one in less than five months — would create too long a gap with only a single senator in Washington.

    Much as we respect Kennedy’s deathbed wishes, we suspect his motive was less concern for good government than trying to ensure that President Obama has a crucial 60th Democratic vote in the Senate this fall, when health care reform and climate-change legislation are likely to come to a head. That sort of expedient partisanship is a poor reason for reversing the law.

    At least 39 states now allow governors to fill vacancies, but crooked or incompetent state executives have demonstrated repeatedly that the practice doesn’t just cut out voters, it’s also ripe for abuse.

    Two recent examples occurred when disgraced (and later impeached) Gov. Rod Blagojevich, D-Ill., tried to sell Obama’s former U.S. Senate seat, and Gov. David Paterson, D-N.Y., made an embarrassing mess of filling Hillary Rodham Clinton’s seat when she resigned to become secretary of State.

    Massachusetts has a chance to be the example of fairness to voters that Illinois and New York were not. Sentimentality notwithstanding, the Bay State’s succession law should be left alone.

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    amen!

  135. S 11:57

    It is OK that he become a Czar,as that sounds fitting for an enlightened Despot (OO) to have in his court.

  136. I think the name Czar is going to come back to bit them. It would have been better if they had come up with a more Democratic Name, but then this is not a Democracy, so maybe it is fitting.

  137. per Uppitywoman

    NOTE TO THE REAL BARACK OBAMA AKA RBO READERS. RBO is carrying on at a new site called THE FOURTH REPUBLIC.

    w w w thefourthrepublic.wordpress.com/

  138. Confloyd, RBO is back up this morning. I’m glad. Don’t know what happened. Hope we were not linked to a “fishy” list for going there.

  139. The chilling effects by the major networks refusal to carry anti0healthcare advertisements is quite scary.

  140. On RBO this morning:
    “So for the time being, RBO is re-opened until a more orderly way of redirecting readers to our sister blog THE FOURTH REPUBLIC can be devised.”
    “…if there is no workaround available we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.”

  141. Pelosi asks for $100K to fight ‘smears’

    By: Alex Isenstadt
    August 27, 2009 02:15 PM EST

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has launched an urgent effort to raise $100,000 by Monday to help combat what she calls GOP “smears” about health care reform.

    “Republican opponents of reform are coming out with one outrageous smear after the next, all aimed at derailing our progress. We must be able to counter their special interest-funded attacks and set the record straight,” Pelosi wrote in a letter to Democratic supporters. “That’s why I have set a goal of raising $100,000 in grassroots donations before the August FEC fundraising deadline,” says Pelosi.

    Pelosi and Democrats are clearly worried that they’ve lost momentum on health care reform this month, and many in her caucus have been crushed by opposition at town hall events. Pelosi’s appeal is aimed at small donors, and she asks for donations of $5 or more in her letter.

    Democrats for weeks have been on the defensive, accusing Republicans of mischaracterizing their reform effort. President Barack Obama fired back several weeks ago after Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), a key Republican negotiator on the Senate Finance Committee, said the Democratic push threatened to “pull the plug on grandma.”

    Now, Pelosi is pushing back. “Republicans are doing everything they can to spread the lies they hope will kill health insurance reform,” Pelosi writes at the end of the e-mail. “Please make a generous financial contribution to help Democrats get the truth out and fight GOP smears.”

    politico.com/news/stories/0809/26512.html

  142. Reid backs interim appointment for Kennedy’s seat

    WASHINGTON — Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says he backs a change in Massachusetts law to allow the governor to appoint a temporary replacement for the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy’s seat.

    Reid spokesman Jim Manley said Thursday that with so many important issues at stake, the Nevada Democrat believes the state needs two senators until a special election can be held. Kennedy sent a letter last week to Gov. Deval Patrick and state lawmakers requesting the change.

    State law requires an election within 145-160 days after a Senate seat that had been held for decades by the Democrat becomes vacant. That would leave the state without a vote in the Senate — and Senate Democrats one vote short as the health care reform debate nears a critical juncture.

    google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g9yK-SO2j-CmoGa4oc5aCIPTBxqgD9ABDHJG2

  143. Memphis, TN (WMC-TV)

    Cash Defends New No-Failure Policy

    The man in charage of Memphis CITY Schools is defending his decision to change the way your child is educated. Beginning this year, students in Pre-Kindergarten through the 3rd grade can no longer fail.

    (Snip)

    Under Dr. Kriner Cash’s new policy, all letter grades will be replaced with what he calls student assessments. He says the new policy will work. “We need to be smarter aboaut how we educate our children,” Cash said. Dr. Cash maintains that a system that holds students back a year, in turn, hold them back for life.

    “When you fail once 50% are not going to graduate, when you fail twice, 80% aren’t going to graduate.”

    The Memphis City Schools Board approved spending three million dollars on literacy and math materials suppoet for students whoneedintervention under the no-fail policy.

    Dr. Cash says not failing students will save taxpayers money in the long run.
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    What happened to NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND of the Bush Jr. years? Wonder if this is a policy that will be endorsed by the BO administration?

  144. Poll: 4 percent of Jewish Israelis see Obama as pro-Israel

    August 28, 2009

    (JTA) — The proportion of Israeli Jews who believe Barack Obama’s policies are pro-Israel has fallen to 4 percent, according to a new survey.

    The poll, conducted this week on behalf of the Jerusalem Post, is the latest marker illustrating Obama’s steady decline in popularity among Israelis. Earlier this month, a poll conducted jointly by the Hebrew University and the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research found that 12 percent of Israelis saw Obama as more supportive of Israel than the Palestinians.

    A similar Jerusalem Post survey in June reported the figure to be 6 percent. Another survey conducted by the Post in May just prior to Obama’s meeting in Washington with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, found that 31 percent saw the American president as pro-Israel.

    According to the latest poll, 51 percent of Israelis see the Obama administration as more pro-Palestinian than pro-Israel, while 35 percent consider it neutral.

    The survey has a margin of error of 4.5 percent.

    jta.org/news/article/2009/08/28/1007507/percent-of-jewish-israelis-that-see-obama-as-pro-israel-continues-to-decline

  145. NewMexicoFan Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Mrs. Smith

    Of those people wounded either by a death of a loved one or a fraudulent campaign, I think you have to decide what you are going to do with all of that anger and hurt.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Being one of the first posters signed up here… I am well aware of what went on with the election. The point is, many do not know because they were involved with other candidates.

  146. JanH Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    Poll: 4 percent of Jewish Israelis see Obama as pro-Israel

    The survey has a margin of error of 4.5 percent.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Things are looking up!

  147. TK was punished very severely for the accident at Chappa. Everyone (including me) said he did not have the right instincts for being President. Many people also accused him of having some scandalous relationship to the passenger, and/or of deliberate murder, and that slander has stuck; a very harsh and unjust punishment imo.

  148. I’m sure TK and family felt he had been dealt a harsh and unjust punishment with the death of Mary Jo.

    On the other hand, I would imagine that her parents felt they had been dealt a very harsh and unjust punishment, as well, with their daughter’s death in such a tragic manner.

  149. Too bad Kennedy didn’t resign earlier. A special election might have already occurred.

    ———

    Man with egos like Teddys and Senator Bryd…”SICK OLD FARTS BTW” would do not that……

  150. I wish I could remember where I read that Panetta is about to walk. There have been many people who have already quit this administration. I know in my profession when a place can’t keep its workers, there is something sour at the place.

    Fox is really on that Kennedy seat and how he NOW wants it to be appointed until a election to take place. Looks bad for the dems.

  151. I just listened to Jesse Jackson say that Tk had several months to get right with God. He apparently told his priest he wanted to go out right, so I guess screwing Hillary was the thing to make things right. He won’t even be here to see the damage that O and his brown shirts are going to impart on this nation. I could not believe my ears when I heard this. It goes to show you how wharped his thinking really is.

  152. We heard someone snarkily say…”Thank goodness TK had several months to get right with God rather than wasting his life time with Godly values. He and Chris Dodd might not have had near the “experiences” they had if TK had gotten right with God when he was in his 20’s.”

  153. confloyd,

    I posted this article a few days back…

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    Obama White House v. CIA; Panetta Threatened to Quit: Tensions Lead to CIA Director’s “Screaming Match” at the White House

    abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=8398902

    —————————

    But I have seen headlines since then that have a CIA spokesperson denying that he is leaving.

  154. How can Pelosi claim she HAS the votes

    Pelosi knows that, at the end of the day, every vote in the US House of Representatives can be bought for a price. She will write the checks and the blue-dogs will fall in line.

  155. hwc 1:53

    I agree, except some of them will be standing for re-election in 2010, and I don’t think many of them have seen how upset people are in their districts like they are right now. In addition, we keep hearing that phrase, you work for me coming out of the town halls.

    Will that make a few of them uneasy? I guess we will have to wait and see. Usually, once elected all they hear, or manufacture to hear are the adulations of how their Shxt does not stink.

  156. JanH, I heard on Fox that Panetta is making sure the Justice Dept. is paying the atty. fees for the probe by the Atty.General.

    Just on Fox one Republican Senator (old), said that TK would make a calendar of himself/boat/Hannisport sites and send them out at Christmas time. What that tells me that he had a HUGE ego. It might be better if he had not included himself and his boat in the pics, but since he included himself, its just pure ego.

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