The Mephisto Waltz

Update: 1:28 a.m. August 26, 2009, International Women’s Day – Ted Kennedy Is Dead. Special election for his Senate seat will be held in 5 months. Senate Dimocrats now have 59 Senate seats. The Obama vacation continues. The Mephisto Waltz continues.


Exactly one year ago today the Mephisto Waltz began to play in Denver, signaling the death of the Democratic Party, and the death of Universal Health Care and health care reform along with any fight for core Democratic values.

On August 25, 20008 we wrote:

Obama supporters email us ever day with pleas to “unite” and support the unqualifed Obama. [snip]

The problem with all these emails are that they do not accept what we know to be true: Obama is not qualified to be president. Obama is a divider. Obama race-baited, and gay-bashed, and woman hated, throughout the primary. That is how Barack Obama would govern.

Spare us your emails, We Do Not Trust Obama. Obama cannot be trusted by either “friend” or foe. We do not believe anything Obama says. We will not be “red flagged” like bulls into supporting the unqualified, race-baiting, and gay-bashing, and woman hating, Barack Obama. Hope that Obama is telling the truth this time about abortion, the Supreme Court, the Iraq War, the economy, or uniting the country is not enough. We don’t believe or trust Barack Obama because we have seen him close up and examined his “present” voting record and been burned by his race-baiting.

One year later, the full horror of the Third Bush Term confronts Americans.

Pretend Progressives, or Progressives In Name Only (PINOs), eggheads, now say what we have been saying:

During most of the last 40 years, the Democratic Party has defined itself primarily through opposition to the ascendant Republican Party. Never was this clearer, or more necessary, than during the eight years of the Bush presidency. Public anger at the Republicans by the end of the Bush administration was almost certainly the major contributing factor to major Democratic victories in 2006 and 2008. Being the party of opposition relieved the Democratic Party of having to initiate or agree upon any vision or policies. This worked fine, until the Democrats won control of both houses of Congress and the White House in 2008.

The failed policies of the Bush administration and the extraordinary desire for change during the last few years masked the reality that once again the Democratic Party was not unified around, and to some extent did not really stand for, anything. This was not a problem during the campaign or even the last two years of the Bush administration, because the Democratic Party could effectively define itself almost entirely relative to the Republican Party. However, it has become a big problem now.

There once was a Democratic Party, but not the current obomination. Hillary Clinton is a leader and a fighter for core Democratic values, but Dimocrats like Dean/Pelosi/Brazile/Kerry/Kennedy gifted the Democratic nomination to an unqualified, inexperienced, man – who was at best just like the inexperienced George W. Bush. The Republicans during the eight Bush years surrendered their purported values in defense of George W. Bush. The Democratic Party set itself ablaze, in Denver, in August 2008, in order to worship at the false prophet, golden calf, Barack Obama.

Pretend Progressive, PINO, Richard Cohen of the Washington Post writes one year after August 25, 2008:

In the end, the success of the health care reform effort comes down to trust. A lesson of the raucous town-hall meetings is the sense of panic, the fear that this man in the White House does not appreciate the anxiety that middle-class Americans fear about health care — whether they will keep what they have, whether they will have enough or whether their last years will be spent in painful, degrading poverty.

Trust? Trust?? Trust???

Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

Fouad Ajami, one year after August 25, 2008:

We were led to this summer of discontent by the very nature of the coalition that brought Mr. Obama, and the political class around him, to power, and by the circumstances of his victory. The man was elected amid economic distress. Faith in the country’s institutions, perhaps in the free-enterprise system itself, had given way. Mr. Obama had ridden that distress. His politics of charisma was reminiscent of the Third World. A leader steps forth, better yet someone with no discernible trail, someone hard to pin down to a specific political program, and the crowd could read into him what it wished, what it needed.

The leader would be different things to different people. The Obama coalition was the coming together of disparate groups: the white professional liberals seeking absolution for the country in the election of an African-American man, the opponents of the Iraq war who grew more strident as the project in Iraq was taking root, the African-American community that had been invested in the Clintons and then came around out of an understandable pride in one of its own.

Hillary represents the successful FDR coalition that led with courage and fight for core Democratic values where justice was more than a literary quote from an historic figure in the land of E Pluribus Unum. Obama represents a collection of vapors, mouthing words from well educated callow misogynists scribbling on TelePrompters.

One year after August 25, 2008, Universal Health Care has no champion – she is busy saving the world. Obama is the enemy of universal health care and health care reform.

Liberal icon Russ Feingold, in a moment of unstudied truthtelling:

U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold told a large crowd gathered for a listening session in Iron County last week there would likely be no health care bill before the end of the year – and perhaps not at all.

It was an assessment Feingold said he didn’t like, but the prospect of no health care legislation brought a burst of applause from a packed house of nearly 150 citizens at the Mercer Community Center.

Nobody is going to bring a bill before Christmas, and maybe not even then, if this ever happens,” Feingold said. “The divisions are so deep. I never seen anything like that.”

Feingold reiterated his appraisal a bit later.

We’re headed in the direction of doing absolutely nothing, and I think that’s unfortunate,” he said when asked about the plight of uninsured Americans.

Feingold added: “This thing right now is not going in the right direction. We might be in a situation where there won’t be a bill worth passing.”

There won’t be a bill worth passing because there is no president to trust. George W. Bush and Obama both promised to be “uniters” but one year later Feingold says “The divisions are so deep. I never seen anything like that.”

If there is any unity to be seen it is seniors and young people (one of the noodles in the new Obama stew of vapors) increasingly coming together in disgust:

First off, note Obama’s drop-off among young people. Young people were supposed to be a critical component of the new Democratic majority. Granted their approval is still slightly higher than the other groups, but it has far and away been the most volatile, dropping more than any other. This should not come as a huge surprise. Baby Boomers were partial to McGovern in 1972, but swung around to Reagan in the 80s. Young people’s political dispositions are still being formed.

Yet, Obama’s worst poll number here is actually his share among seniors. I’m guessing it relates to the health care debate. The White House should be very concerned, and for one simple reason: seniors vote.

Obama is busy termite-ing the American economy too. The Congressional Budget Office numbers outline the Obama economic disasters:

The U.S. national debt will nearly double over the next 10 years, government forecasts showed on Tuesday, challenging President Barack Obama’s economic and healthcare overhaul agenda. [snip]

The spending blitz could push the national debt, now more than $11 trillion, to close to $20 trillion. The debt is the total sum the government owes, while the deficit is the yearly gap between revenues and spending.

“If anyone had any doubts that this burden on future generations is unsustainable, they’re gone,” said Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, adding that economic stimulus funds should be diverted to pay down U.S. debt.

As we have repeatedly warned, the Obama “stimulus” scam along with the other economic scams threaten destruction. We warned of the dangers of hyper inflation.

Liberal icon Feingold now agrees with us, too late, of the dangers of hyperinflation:

“And I have told the administration not to count on me for another stimulus package. You can’t just keep doing this because it creates hyperinflation.”

Feingold also said he has not been a supporter of so-called cap-and-trade proposals, and he compared the issue to global warming, at least with respect to gaining cooperation from other nations.

“You know, the other countries won’t play ball,” he said of his attempts to get the international community to work together on global warming. “Maybe we should impose tariffs. We should put some pressure on them. They cannot be given a free pass, and we cannot do cap-and-trade alone.”

It’s not just health care nor cap and trade, not Afghanistan, nor Iraq, not renditions, not ACORN – it the totality of Obama’s rootlessness, deceptions and corruptions that stink in the nostrils of American history.

Americans could have had a leader with the courage to fight for core Democratic values. Instead of tooth rotting softdrinks we could have had a V8. Instead of soul crushing, inexperienced, unqualified, gay-bashing, woman-hating, flim-flam man Obama – we could have had Hillary!

Instead, the first of the four Mephisto Waltzes began to play one year ago today.


100 thoughts on “The Mephisto Waltz

  1. ADMIN…you state:

    If there is any unity to be seen it is seniors and young people (one of the noodles in the new Obama stew of vapors) increasingly coming together in disgust

    AND…The U.S. national debt will nearly double over the next 10 years, government forecasts showed on Tuesday, challenging President Barack Obama’s economic and healthcare overhaul agenda. [snip]

    The spending blitz could push the national debt, now more than $11 trillion, to close to $20 trillion. The debt is the total sum the government owes, while the deficit is the yearly gap between revenues and spending.

    “If anyone had any doubts that this burden on future generations is unsustainable, they’re gone,” said Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, adding that economic stimulus funds should be diverted to pay down U.S. debt.

    As we have repeatedly warned, the Obama “stimulus” scam along with the other economic scams threaten destruction.

    please allow me to repost and add:

    I am beginning to think that the lack of any emphasis or talk at all about JOB CREATION, compounded by the increasing loss of homes and foreclosures…and the fact that the so-called Obama plan for foreclosures has failed…I am beginning to think it is by design…

    …that there is truth in some of this idea of keeping the people (so scared) so dependent on the govt for everything is what this admin wants…just look at how they are utilizing the so called ’stimulus’ plan money…cash for clunkers…no long term job creation…grants to colleges for studies…money being used by states to pay their bills…(Rhode Island has closed down the state for 12 days…California – just above water…this is the trend in the states)

    …there is no URGENCY (not even on O’s radar, not even worth a passing mention) to do anything to create jobs or save homes…surely, nothing like the measures the O admin took to give immediate taxpayer money transfusions to the banks and wall st with NO ACCOUNTABILITY OR TRANSPARENCY…now, that was an URGENCY for the O admin…in fact, the stimulus and omnibus were passed in a flash and money found its way to where O directed it immediately…

    …NOTHING IS TARGETED TOWARDS JOB CREATION AND what is out there in stimulus money is being absorbed every witch way but in creating jobs…and with the increase of more jobs forecast to be lost…as if we are all in collective denial…the country cannot sustain more jobs and home losses…we will be a third country by the end of O’s admin…

    (the irony is that as soon as the stimulus passed the talk about creating jobs came to a halt)

    meanwhile for all those homes that are foreclosed, a large amount of them are confiscated by who else??? the banks, many the same ones that got taxpayer money (B of A, Citibank, etc)…OR the homes that americans are losing are being bought up by foreign investors…

    (I hate to sound like a conspiratist but it was the liberals on the supreme court, if you recall, who were the ones that backed eminent domain and confiscating private property, the liberals went against the homeowners in conn and elsewhere…in fact, if you do a search, shockingly, the left agrees with the concept of eminent domain – take private property from the people and give to developers, shockingly true)…hmm…

    CNN did a report today on the failed Obama foreclosure plan, only 6% of homeowners have been helped by the O plan…CNN is requesting homeowners to send in there “nightmare stories” – for example, constant complaints of paperwork getting lost, being treated badly, banks directing them to loans with hidden fees, etc)…but funny, hardly any loan modification…

    and why shouldn’t seniors be suspicious, besides the threatened $500 billion to be slashed from medicare, they are now told they will not get a cost of living in SS but everything will go up anyway…foreshadowing…

    why is there no outrage? all kinds of distractions but no concentration on the most important issues to the struggling american people…we are pawns in this new game of govt takeovers…

    health care reform divides us, but no americans are divided on the need for jobs or to save their homes…

    the american people are the walking wounded…the people really need to start mobilizing and demanding that the O admin start focusing on their immediate needs…

    just what kind of a democratic party is left? have they no shame at all???

  2. David Gergen:

    Deficits of that magnitude would be extraordinarily dangerous and irresponsible for the country. They would double the national debt, risk much higher inflation, saddle future taxpayers with annual interest payments of over $900 billion, make us even more reliant upon China as a creditor, and over time would weaken us as a great nation. Talk about trend lines that are unsustainable!

    Health care reform was already in growing trouble before this report. These deficit projections clearly add another significant threat to its passage. The administration will now have to persuade Congress and a skeptical public that it would be financially prudent to embark upon an ambitious new entitlement program in the teeth of dangerously growing deficits.

  3. Admin…the whole health reform discussion is so deceptive and so dishonest…

    as we have discussed, first of all – talk, talk, talk, but there is no plan…however proceeding on from the absurdity of that given…take the illegal immigration aspect, O keeps saying ‘they will not be covered’…but we know that no one will be turned away from the emergency room, so that is deceptive and dishonest on its own…

    and then, not to beat a dead horse, but with no jobs and more job losses on the increase and horizon…just how are people going to pay for mandates???

    and if the answer is to subsidize the unemployed, as well as the poor, how in the world does that not add to the deficit and explode the cost of this health reform? especially in our current financial crisis?


    also if mandates are essential whether there is a ‘public’ plan or not, then how does paying a mandate to an insurance company against someone’s will not just basically increase the profits of the insurance companies by guaranteeing them increased volume of customers that are mandated by the govt…sounds like a gift to the insurance companies to me…


    and finally, why would anyone trust the O admin or want to do any business with them when we know that they have already cut secret deals behind closed doors with the drug co and insurance co and already screwed the people and blocked some of our best negotiating tactics for lowering drugs costs, etc???

    no wonder everyone is so confused…

    the whole things just seems like one big, surrealistic farce…

  4. I still have people telling me the ambiguous public option isn’t dead. That the momentum is on the side of this public option. Where do they get this? Obama has been luke warm at best to apublic option, and then basically walked away from it. Am I missing something?

  5. S

    Every one of us who has health insurance is paying for the illegals who show up at emergency rooms for treatment. It is one of the reasons that health insurance has doubled in the last 7 years. So we are already paying for them. Universal coverage would spread the cost out more evenly. Personally, I think that when an illegal alien goes to a hospital without insurance or the ability to pay…they should be treated and then sent home…deported…so that they can’t do it again.

    Any reform that does not enable negotiating with drug companies for better prices is ridiculous in the extreme. We are looking for reform which lowers costs….as has been done in other developed nations. Obama has blown it for the dems.

  6. Carol, I agree with you, we are paying for illegals now, my point really is how disingenious O admin is when he tries to placate those concerned about illegals by saying they will not be covered, when we know they will…my point is, he is lying…

    …finally, I fear the, our, costs are going to skyrocket with any reform O passes…

  7. Gergen was part and parcel of “Team Obama” and I lost a lot of respect for such a seasoned politician…absolutely no loyalty to Bill/Hillary…Simply wanted a black man in the office.

  8. I am extremely worried about this defict creation, and I’m someone who has not problem normally with some deficit spending during a crisis, short term, to prop things up.

    But from what I’ve read, we are approaching 3% of our GDP going to nothing but interest on the debt, with no end in sight and still rising. And there is a “magic number”, a point of no return.

    EVERY country in modern history who has hit 6% of GDP going to interest only has imploded. Their entire monetary system has crashed, and often their political system as well. Every single one, with no exceptions. Think about that. You hit that point of no return, where you CANNOT grow enough to keep from falling behind, no matter how productive you are. People who think the economic crisis is over are dreaming, and those who cry about burdening our great grandchildren with debt are missing the point.

    If we don’t STOP this trainwreck, we won’t have a functioning economy to even give our grandchildren, and maybe not even a country. Taxing them won’t even be an issue, because there will BE no wealth to tax – there may not even be a recognizable America.

    I must say, as bad and horrible as I knew this boob would be, even I didn’t think he’d be this bad. I’ve lived through Nixon, and Carter, and Bush, and have been mad as hell and very saddened at the state of affairs before, but I have NEVER been really, truly, deeply afraid for my country.

    Now I am.

  9. S said: “he tries to placate those concerned about illegals by saying they will not be covered, when we know they will…my point is, he is lying…”

    Yes he is lying through his teeth. He knows he can say that illegals won’t be covered because if he gets health care through, then he will be emboldened to try for amnesty next year and the whole thing will be a mute point. They’ll be on the path to legalization and you can bet the minute they file for resident status, they’ll be allowed health care. And, not only the people who are here but there will be a “family reunification” clause in the “reform” package to automatically qualify their grannies and kids. And that, my friends equals USA, Third World Country…nothing left for the people who spent generations paying for all our programs and way of life.

  10. I agree. Never seen anything like the brass balls these people have. They have to be voted out enmasse. Nothing paranoid about this fear. The threat is so real.

  11. “Hillary represents the successful FDR coalition that led with courage and fight for core Democratic values where justice was more than a literary quote from an historic figure in the land of E Pluribus Unum. Obama represents a collection of vapors, mouthing words from well educated callow misogynists scribbling on TelePrompters.”


    Exactly! I read an online article from last week that made me laugh. It titled itself: Hillary Clinton Struggles for Relevancy. I thought to myself how stupid can these people be…lol…the title should have been: Barack Obama Struggles not to be the most Irrelevant Potus of all time: it is a struggle he has already lost.

    Hillary will come out of this very well. Obama will come out of this as a very bad footnote.

  12. Glenn Beck on “Czar” Van Jones…Radical in the “House’

    Found link @ Bitterpolitiz

  13. H4T, where did you see the article about it is already at 3% of our GDP?? Can you give a link? I know this whole spend, spend, spend is to get the one world economy that the Bush’s have always wanted. Bambi is simply there to continue where lil George left off and he is doing a fine job.
    I think the republicans have been duped as much as the real democrats have been. I know my son keeps telling me that the country is going to fall, but what the hell will happen then?

  14. Obama Piddles Away the Public’s Options

    Submitted by Glen Ford on Wed, 08/19/2009 – 00:05 public option single payer health care Obamarama

    A Black Agenda Radio commentary by Glen Ford
    “It’s all over but the funeral.” In abandoning the “public option,” President Obama has relinquished all claim as champion of health care reform, the content of which he first diluted and ultimately bargained away entirely. The forces of reaction, which were disorganized and on the defensive when Obama entered office, have been vastly strengthened by the president’s “duplicitous backroom deals and back-stabbing of his most loyal supporters.”

    “Obama seems to believe he can salvage a bill – any bill – and scribble the word “reform” on it.”

    It became crystal clear that the insurance companies had prevailed in President Obama’s health care fiasco the moment the White House coined the term “public option.” Plainly, a public alternative to private health insurance was always merely an option – just another bargaining chip in Obama’s private and oh-so-friendly negotiations with the rich and ruthless. Now it’s all over but the funeral.

    The death of Obama’s health care project was both ignominious and foreordained. This is what comes from duplicitous backroom deals and back-stabbing of one’s most loyal supporters. What remains of the legislative mish-mash birthed by Obama and his congressional co-conspirators, are corporate bills. That’s why the drug barons are spending $150 million to advertise for Obama’s fraudulent brand of health care reform. And, although the insurance industry continues to publicly oppose the hollow shell that Obama’s project has become, at this stage in the game they win whichever way the wind blows. If Obama’s hot air balloon fully deflates, the health insurance companies will continue to enjoy the status quo they have so carefully engineered over the years. But if a bill emerges with provisions that force everyone to buy private insurance, the health care racketeers will add millions of new, subsidized customers.

    “Obama gave everything away before the negotiations even began.”

    Obama signaled that he is willing to engage in further compromise with his corporate friends, the guys whose company and confidence he so highly prized at White House health care forums, venues where single-payer advocates were not welcome. The problem is, Obama gave everything away before the negotiations even began. Now he has nothing left to trade, and not enough forces to rearrange the battlefield, having demobilized and dismissed the Left in favor of corporate Democrats like himself. Still, Obama seems to believe he can salvage a bill – any bill – and scribble the word “reform” on it.

    He has been reduced to the politics of semantics. He invites his election day supporters to leap into the river with him as he grasps at “slivers” and straws and calls them “reform.” Obama will describe passage of any legislation with the word reform attached to it, a victory. But his paper victory will represent a lasting defeat for real health care reform, which will have been discredited in the eyes of the public – for how long, no one can say.
    But the damage is even more horrific. Obama has succeeded in wounding Medicare – and Medicaid and veterans health care and Social Security – more grievously than the Republicans could have dreamed of on their own. He entered office spreading hysteria about the cost of Medicare and other so-called “entitlements.” Now his little boat is sinking, but the Republicans have been reinforced in their age-old battle to privatize what’s left of the public sphere. In the short space of 7 months, Obama has piddled and bargained away huge regions of the public’s “options.”

    For Black Agenda Radio, I’m Glen Ford. On the web, go to

  15. It’s pretty obvious, all Obama cares about is separating Americans from their assets. It’s the job he was hired to do by the globalists. Obama’s sole objectives are “breaking the Middle Class” and “bankrupting the US economy.” Obama’s only accomplishments bearing results.

    The ruthless Captain O’Bama needs to be removed from the helm of the ship. Where is Mr Christian when you need him? How long can we expect sane democrats tolerating Captain O’Bama squandering the Bounty of America and the bounty of Americans to his winds of “Change”?

    Captain Obama needs to be set adrift with his Chicago privateers nevermore to return to the shores of a country that gave him so much… their Trust.

  16. S Says:

    August 26th, 2009 at 12:17 am

    speaks for itself…


    Fascinating article. All of our worst fears and nightmares are coming true. Jeez, what a tangled, corrupt, and vicious web our government has become. I’m sure that it has always been there, but this seems and feels more ominous.


    chris hedges expounds:


    “It will basically be a government law that says you have to buy their defective product,” says Dr. David Himmelstein, a professor at Harvard Medical School and a founder of Physicians for a National Health Plan. “Next the government will tell us a Pinto in every garage, a lead-coated toy to every child and melamine-laced puppy chow for every dog.”

    “Health insurance is not a race to the top; it is a race to the bottom,” he told me from Cambridge, Mass. “The way you make money is by abusing people. And if a public-option plan is not ready and willing to abuse patients it is stuck with the expensive patients. The premiums will go up until it is noncompetitive. The conditions that have now been set for the plans include a hobbled public option. Under the best-case scenario there will be tens of millions [who] will remain uninsured at the outset, and the number will climb as more and more people are priced out of the insurance market.”


    The bills now in Congress will, at best, impose on the country the failed model in Massachusetts. That model will demand that Americans buy health insurance from private insurers. There will be some subsidies for the very poor but not for anyone above a modest income. Insurers will be allowed to continue to jack up premiums, including for the elderly. The bankruptcies due to medical bills and swelling premiums will mount along with rising deductibles and co-payments. Health care will be beyond the reach of many families. In Massachusetts one in six people who have mandated insurance still say they cannot afford care, and 30,000 people were evicted from the state program this month because of budget cuts. Expect the same debacle nationwide.

    “For someone my age who is making $40,000 a year you are required to lay out $5,000 for an insurance premium for coverage that covers nothing until you have spent $2,000 out of pocket,” Himmelstein said. “You are $7,000 out of pocket before you have any coverage at all. For most people that means you are already bankrupt before you have insurance. If anything, that has made them worse off. Instead of having that $5,000 to cover some of their medical expenses they have laid it out in premiums.”

    …article continues…

    this is serious stuff, Hillfriends…more screws to the american people…

  18. The thing is, Obama does not use triangulation.

    Obama uses resectionist methods where the navigator’s position is the unknown. Granted, the term ‘resection’ doesn’t have the same cachet as Morris’ term Triangulation but it is however accurate.


  19. S Says:

    August 26th, 2009 at 12:52 am

    I’ve been saying the same thing. This health insurance reform is going to line the pockets of the insurance and drug companies. The middle class is SOL. The proposed program has the potential to worsen our current situation and may drive up health care costs even more. I am so disgusted with the lack of leadership and commitment by our elected officials on this issue. They all need to be thrown out.

  20. birdgal…that’s what i am asking too – where is the democratic party? have they no shame at all?

    btw…what does SOL mean?

  21. BTW, regarding health care: Keep your appendix! 8)

    The body’s appendix has long been thought of as nothing more than a worthless evolutionary artifact, good for nothing save a potentially lethal case of inflammation.

    Now researchers suggest the appendix is a lot more than a useless remnant. Not only was it recently proposed to actually possess a critical function, but scientists now find it appears in nature a lot more often than before thought. And it’s possible some of this organ’s ancient uses could be recruited by physicians to help the human body fight disease more effectively.

    In a way, the idea that the appendix is an organ whose time has passed has itself become a concept whose time is over.

    “Maybe it’s time to correct the textbooks,” said researcher William Parker, an immunologist at Duke University Medical Center in Durham, N.C. “Many biology texts today still refer to the appendix as a ‘vestigial organ.'” [snip]

    “Everybody likely knows at least one person who had to get their appendix taken out — slightly more than 1 in 20 people do — and they see there are no ill effects, and this suggests that you don’t need it,” Parker said.

    However, Parker and his colleagues recently suggested that the appendix still served as a vital safehouse where good bacteria could lie in wait until they were needed to repopulate the gut after a nasty case of diarrhea. Past studies had also found the appendix can help make, direct and train white blood cells.

    Now, in the first investigation of the appendix over the ages, Parker explained they discovered that it has been around much longer than anyone had suspected, hinting that it plays a critical function.

    “The appendix has been around for at least 80 million years, much longer than we would estimate if Darwin’s ideas about the appendix were correct,” Parker said.

  22. Obama is the Third Bush Term. Remember My Pet Goat?

    Obama’s spokesman told reporters Monday from Martha’s Vineyard that No. 2 on the president’s list was Tom Friedman’s environmental bestseller Hot, Flat, and Crowded. The only problem? Obama was reading the same book, talking about it, even quoting from it a year ago on the campaign trail.

    At an event in Flint, Michigan, last September, the Washington Independent noted that the book was “on his nightstand.” The then-presidential candidate tried to refute the arguments of the “Drill, Baby, Drill” crowd by touting Friedman’s environmental bestseller. “He calls it E.T., energy technology,” Obama said of Friedman.

    For Obama, Friedman’s book has apparently become a renewable resource.

  23. Well, he never had to give up his senate seat, he was employed by the taxpayers until he took his last breath.

    It must be nice, in my dept. our hospital got rid of everyone that was at top pay. It made no difference how long you had worked for them or how old you were. They wanted to lower the rate of pay and they did it without a second thought about how it would change people’s lives. They did not even ask if we would voluntarily take a pay cut. They just cut us loose.

    The taxpayers are asked to support these people even when we know they can’t perform their duties. I guess its what Ted always said he was a nobleman and were just peasants.

    Yet us taxpayers are expected to pay their salaries until their last breath.

  24. guarantee you 100% the WH line will be “Ted made it his life work to make healthcare reform a reality, its up to us to do it for him”. I bet you 100% thats what they’ll do. Obama will use his death like a brooch for political use.

  25. Bambi sure seems to vacation places that for some reason is a place where someone dies. I wonder if MO was there?? She was suppose to be there with Caroline. Its unusual, I wonder if they knew he was close to death??
    For sure he will use this death to move on Kennedy’s supposed life’s work=Healthcare.

  26. what karma that Kennedy died on International Women’s Day. Will leave it at that.

    I agree that bambi and crew will try to use his death to browbeat this bill through.

  27. Morning all:
    Last night I decided that we needed a
    song of inspiration for our Hillary and I believe that one of my favorites was one that we loved to dance to. It is called “Only You ” and was sung by Louie Armstrong and he was a great Clintons admirer.To make it more meaningful do the following change in words.
    Substitute- “WE” for “I” and
    “OUR” for “MY”
    It should become very important to me and millions of her supporters.While he hears the strains of “GET OUDA MY HOUSE”.
    What do you think my friends?


    Only you can make this world seem right
    Only you can make the darkness bright.
    Only you and you alone
    can thrill me like you do
    and fill my heart with love for only you.

    Only you can make this change in me,
    for it’s true, you are my destiny.
    When you hold my hand,
    I understand the magic that you do.

    You’re my dream come true,
    my one and only you.

    Only you can make this change in me,
    for it’s true, you are my destiny.
    When you hold my hand,
    I understand the magic that you do.

    You’re my dream come true,
    my one and only you.

    One and only you.

  28. Admin,
    Liszt waltz’s no matter how apropos the title, are too elegant and perfect to be associated with BO!
    Feingold says “The divisions are so deep. I never seen anything like that.”

    I was struck by that comment, too.

    BTW, I have been hearing your signature theme that “Obama cannot be trusted” all over talk radio, including local stations in the Catskills.
    Seems like everyone is reading Big Pink.

  29. MOP,

    I wouldn’t put it past all of them to have planned the pull-the-plug day for teddie just as I suspect thaey might have done with granny.

    It’s all too friggin convenient for my taste. And he’s even in TK’s own backyard.

    Bizarre. I’m sure BM will emphasize the poor little BO he’s lost his surrogate dad theme just as they did when granny passed.

  30. admin Says:

    August 26th, 2009 at 1:28 am

    Ted Kennedy is Dead.


    While my thoughts and prayers go out to the Kennedy family, my cynicism at how the dim foot soldiers will use this event goes out to bambi.

    Added to the racism card that is used almost if not every hour by the idiot and his thugs, including the media, I can’t help wondering how the “Kennedy” card will now be used.

    Since sanitizing and idolizing bad men in death seems to be a predetermined action for some, I wouldn’t be surprised if they do a Michael Jackson number on him. To make things even worse, the media will now give us 24/7 Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy for at least the next week or two.

    In a way, and I know this seems very rude, but Kennedy’s death has finally helped bambi change the news cycle.

  31. Gadhafi should just stay home where he belongs!


    Clinton on Mission to Keep Gadhafi Out of the Tent: State Department says it is sensitive to concerns of NJ residents

    Wed, Aug 26, 2009

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is adding a new task to her international diplomacy to-do list — booking a hotel room for Moammar Gadhafi ahead of next month’s UN General Assembly so the divisive Libyan leader won’t pitch a tent in New Jersey as he’s threatened.

    Gadhafi often brings an (air conditioned) Bedouin tent with him along on international visits — but reports that he intends to set up camp in Englewood, N.J. has prompted howls from residents and lawmakers.

    New Jersey Democrat Sen Frank Lautenberg wrote to Secretary Clinton this week, requesting that Gadhafi remain in a six block area around the U.N. “Given recent events, I believe the State Department should ensure that Colonel Kadhafi’s entry into the United States is for official UN business only and does not allow him to travel freely,” Lautenberg said.

    Gadhafi — recently photographed warmly embracing newly released Pan Am Flight 103 bomber Abdel Basset Ali al-Megrahi — is now receiving some accommodation help from Hillary Clinton , who is seeking to stem an international incident over the tent-pitching, the Daily News reported. Some of the Lockerbie bombing’s 270 victims’ relatives live in the area.

    The topic dominated the daily State Department news briefing yesterday. Spokesman Ian Kelly said officials and members of Congress are reaching out to local authorities about the issue.

    “Of course our priority has been and will remain the families of the victims of this tragedy,” Kelly said. “We’re also talking to the Libyans to highlight the concerns that we have and the very raw sensibilities or sensitivities of the families who live in that area,” Kelly said.

    Gadhafi has been forced off property at the United Nations because the area is under construction. He asked to erect a tent in Central Park but the request was rejected.–54981452.html

  32. Hide the children indeed!


    AUGUST 26, 2009

    The Pelosi-Obama Deficits: Even $9 trillion might be too optimistic on current spending trends

    Earlier this year when President Obama was selling his first budget blueprint, he promised to end years of “borrow and spend” budgeting. Yesterday, reality struck. Mr. Obama’s White House and the Congressional Budget Office told us that current U.S. fiscal policy is “borrow and spend” on a hyperlink. The good news is the deficit for 2009 will be “only” $1.58 trillion, about $250 billion lower than expected thanks to less need for TARP funds. But the Obama fiscal plan envisions $9 trillion in new borrowing over the next decade, which is $2 trillion more debt than the White House predicted earlier this year. The 2010 deficit also rises by about as much as the 2009 deficit falls from January, so even the TARP windfall gets spent.

    We’ve never fretted over budget deficits, at least if they finance tax cuts to promote growth or spending to win a war. But these deficit estimates are driven entirely by more domestic spending and already assume huge new tax increases. CBO predicts that debt held by the public as a share of GDP, which was 40.8% in 2008, will rise to 67.8% in 2019—and then keep climbing after that. CBO says this is “unsustainable,” but even this forecast may be optimistic.

    Here’s why. Many of the current budget assumptions are laughably implausible. Both the White House and CBO predict that Congress will hold federal spending at the rate of inflation over the next decade. This is the same Democratic Congress that awarded a 47% increase in domestic discretionary spending in 2009 when counting stimulus funds. And the appropriations bills now speeding through Congress for 2010 serve up an 8% increase in domestic spending after inflation.

    Another doozy is that Nancy Pelosi and friends are going to allow a one-third or more reduction in liberal priorities like Head Start, food stamps and child nutrition after 2011 when the stimulus expires. CBO actually has overall spending falling between 2009 and 2012, which is less likely than an asteroid hitting the Earth.

    Federal revenues, which will hit a 40-year low of 14.9% of GDP this year, are expected to rise to 19.6% of GDP by 2014 and then 20.2% by 2019—which the CBO concedes is “high by historical standards.” This implies some enormous tax increases.

    CBO assumes that some 28 million middle-class tax filers will get hit by the alternative minimum tax, something Democrats say they won’t let happen. CBO also assumes that all the Bush tax cuts disappear—not merely those for the rich, but those for lower and middle income families as well. So either the deficit is going to be about $1.3 trillion higher than Washington thinks, or out goes Mr. Obama’s campaign promise of not taxing those who make less than $250,000.

    A burst of sustained economic growth, which we’d love to see, would substantially boost tax revenues and reduce future debt. But there’s nothing in the Obama budget that nurtures or rewards growth or small business. Most of the major policy initiatives, such as the $1 trillion cap-and-trade energy tax, are a drag on growth. Mr. Obama wants to raise capital gains, dividend and income tax rates, which will reduce risk taking, innovation and investment. The House health-care bill would impose an 8% payroll tax on millions of small business owners, which will destroy jobs.

    The White House issued a statement yesterday that the President is “very concerned about these out-year deficits.” But apparently not so concerned as to stop pushing for a new $1 trillion health-care entitlement that is conveniently not included in these latest budget forecasts.

    The real fiscal crisis in Washington is that neither Congress nor the White House are offering any escape from these trillion-dollar deficits. Mr. Obama has not called for automatic and immediate spending cuts. He has not proposed eliminating hundreds of wasteful programs. To the contrary, the White House still hasn’t ruled out another fiscal stimulus, as if a $1.6 trillion deficit isn’t Keynesian stimulus enough. The Administration’s celebrated scrub through the budget this summer identified $17 billion in agency savings. That’s what Uncle Sam is borrowing every three days.

    Obamanomics has turned into an unprecedented experiment in runaway government with no plan to pay for it, save, perhaps, for a big future toll on the middle class such as a value-added tax. White House budget director Peter Orszag

  33. Here is the last sentence of the above-noted article.


    …promises that next year’s budget will have a “plan to put the nation on a fiscally sustainable path.” Hide the children.

  34. I am quite glad that the senate now is 59 Dems….

    And I do not feel sorry that Teddy is dead… was time for him to get out of the senate long time ago…if this is the way it wa sto happen, so be it!

  35. mp Says:

    August 26th, 2009 at 9:52 am
    I am quite glad that the senate now is 59 Dems….

    And I do not feel sorry that Teddy is dead… was time for him to get out of the senate long time ago…if this is the way it wa sto happen, so be it!


    I concur. Being so close to death must of precipitated the release of the letter that had been written in July. He should of resigned months ago, especially if he really cared about having the 60 dims votes.

    S- Lorac is correct. SOL=S**t out of luck.

    Admin: Interesting about the appendix. I always wondered about that.

  36. My grandmother taught me not to speak ill of the dead, and civilized, rational people seem to adhere to that model. Expressions of anything other than sympathy for the dead and their families tend to reflect negatively on the speakers and are best left off a public site like this.
    My sympathies to the Kennedy family…
    Just my opinion…

  37. A few days ago, the WH issued a statement Obama may visit Kennedy while on vacation. Instead, Obama used his time to travel to DC to announce the reappointment of Bernache…

    Obama is aware he doesn’t need the Kennedy name anymore. Teddy and Caroline have served his purpose.

    His thinking is, why waste his time on events that have no remunerating value. As he did with his own grandmother. When she died alone without her grandson thanking her for all she did for him all his life and bidding her a final farewell.

    Obama- All for Me and None for you, president.

  38. Mrs. Smith Says:

    August 26th, 2009 at 10:30 am


    And another eulogy to be given while the masses listen in awe to the speaker of empty words.



    Giving respect to the family does not mean we cannot analyse what this sudden turn of events will mean politically to others in the same arena.

  39. Today Kennedy will meet with the first woman he railroaded, Mary Jo. Hope she gives him the directions to hell!

  40. jtjames Says:

    August 26th, 2009 at 10:34 am
    Today Kennedy will meet with the first woman he railroaded, Mary Jo. Hope she gives him the directions to hell!


    Wow. I didn’t think of that. On other boards, people are talking about the Kennedy brothers being together again, but no one has mention what you just said.

    i do offer my respects to the family. It must be very difficult to lose 2 members in such a short period of time. Both Eunice and Ted were fortunate to have lived long and full lives. That must be a source of comfort for the family.

  41. Well I am back from my trip, and found very few OO stickers on the cars in Tucson. Not sure what that means, but people did not seem to be talking politics a lot.

  42. Realist,

    Giving respect to the family does not mean we cannot analyse what this sudden turn of events will mean politically to others in the same arena.

    “I do not feel sorry that Teddy is dead” an analysis of what, exactly?
    Discussing the political repercussions is obviously not what I was talking about, and again, it is just MY opinion, which you are free to not share.

  43. From Today’s NYT article, entitled

    “Real Choice? It’s Off Limits in Health Bills”

    “Real choice is not part of the bills moving through the Democratic-led Congress; even if the much-debated government-run insurance plan was created, it would not be available to most people who already have coverage. Republicans, meanwhile, have shown no interest in making insurance choice part of a compromise they could accept. Both parties are protecting the insurers.”

    I’m Shocked, Shocked I say…not!

  44. We have thus far not noted a statement from Hillary Clinton nor Bill Clinton on Kennedy’s death. None from Jimmy Carter either.

  45. Admin;

    From WaPo

    Former presidents, other politicians and friends

    Former President Jimmy Carter, to the BBC:

    “My own hope here is that his deep commitment to comprehensive health plan in our country will be honored by his contemporaries and his peers in the near future.”

    Haven’t seem anything from Bill or Hillary yet…

  46. RIP TK.

    But I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out his brain cancer diagnosis came much earlier than we’ve been led to believe, like a year before he endorsed BO.

  47. Good bye Teddy and good riddance. You help elect the most dangerous President to democracy this country has ever seen and back stabbed Bill and Hillary, who went out of there way, using government resources, to help retrieve the body of your beloved John John .

  48. Of course the Clinton will remain classy.

    As for not speaking ill of the dead. Kennedy’s legacy, for what it is worth, is all we can judge him by.

    The last political thing he accomplished was stabbing Bill and Hillary and endorsing the fraud. Then he got cancer.

    Who was it earler in the forum that knew somebody who has ass cancer and we joked around about the ass cancer.

    I think karma has it ‘s way.

  49. # admin Says:
    August 26th, 2009 at 11:22 am

    We have thus far not noted a statement from Hillary Clinton nor Bill Clinton on Kennedy’s death. None from Jimmy Carter either.


    Carter- probably looking for a phrase or a quote he can use said by his mother…for commenting on the Senator’s death… (he sickens me!)

    Hmmm… Bill and Hillary are still recuperating from their in the back stab wounds inflicted in the most deviously conspired way Ted Kennedy totally blindsided Hillary by throwing his support to Obama during the Primary. Can’t blame them for that! I feel the same way when I’ve been betrayed by a friend.

    A huge insulting slap in the face to the Clintons!

    After all the favors given, by then President Clinton, to the Kennedys respecting their privacy when JFK Jr plane crashed into Nantucket Sound including carte blanche government services for the Kennedy family’s funeral preparation.

    Speaks volumes in a silent kind of way!!

  50. dot48,

    I think he knew about the cancer before he turned on the Clinton’s.

    Just a gut instinct.

    I think he wanted his legacy to be helping (s)elect the first AA.

    Again, just a hunch.

  51. The following is from an article on today’s Boston dot com, elucidating some of Senator Kennedy’s legislative accomplishments.

    “As author of more than 2,500 pieces of legislation, Kennedy solidified his international reputation as the liberal stalwart of the Senate. And, not least because his deft ability to compromise helped make several hundred of those bills law, he was frequently cited by senators of both parties as their most effective colleague.

    Nearly every piece of major health legislation since the 1960s has Kennedy’s fingerprints on it. His passion for education showed up in programs ranging from the Head Start for poor children, to expanding loans for the college-bound, to job training for those not headed to higher education. In his long fight for women’s rights, he sponsored the doomed Equal Rights Amendment in the 1970s. But he scored a victory as co-sponsor of the sweeping Americans With Disabilities Act, which in 1990 protected the disabled from discrimination at work and at business establishments.

    One of the wealthiest members of the Senate, Kennedy also fought tirelessly for increases in the minimum wage. He pleaded with Representative George Miller, Democrat of California, to introduce another wage increase bill even as the two lawmakers were celebrating the House passage of a minimum wage hike in 2006 – an effort that had taken 10 years to complete.”…

    For those who may be unfamiliar with actual things Kennedy did as a senator that benefit them today.
    Endorsing the fraud was reprehensible, leaving the scene of a crime and never having to pay the price was inexcusable, but everyone in America has been benefited by legislation Kennedy initiated, supported and worked, often in bi-partisan fashion.

  52. basil9 Says:

    August 26th, 2009 at 11:50 am

    I think he knew about the cancer before he turned on the Clinton’s

    I wouldn’t be surprised, if he was in on the planning stages with Kerry, back in 2004. He was waiting for the opportune time to throw his support BO’s way. It didn’t take very much and entire thing had a well-planned out feel to it.

    As far as Carter, Kennedy blocked Carter’s every move while Carter was president.

  53. Admin;

    You didn’t ask for “hearts and flowers”, and Carter would be hard pressed to find any, considering…:)

  54. this morning Joe Biden said:

    “And unlike many important people in my 38 years I’ve had the privilege of knowing, the unique thing about Teddy was, it was never about him. It was always about you. It was never about him. There’s people I admire — great women and men — but at the end of the day it gets down to being about them. With Teddy, it was never about him.
    …it seems Joe was making a specific point perhaps about a certain someone he now deals with on a daily basis…someone who daily makes it about him, him, him…and more him…


    I also heard Chris Matthews and Ed Shultz speaking about the Kennedy – Obama – Clinton drama and of Kennedy passing ‘the torch’ to Obama…and Matthews just said “the Clintons were passed over” something like that…

    it made me think that on a political level, TK had a lot to do with dividing the democratic party…and caused alot of the hard feelings that still exist…had TK either stayed neutral (as Biden did) or supported Hillary, even with O as number 2, the democratic party, and the state of health reform, would have been in a much stronger position today…and the democratic party would probably be on its way to a 16 year run…instead, TK took the short cut, attempted to abort the Clintons and almost erase all their hard work and ‘existence’ and replace them with O…instead TK took unneeded, hurtful shots at the Clintons…and tried to push them out of the ‘picture’ and their rightful place in history…and ‘skip over them’ as it were…or ‘cut ahead of them’…

    …that whole period in the history of the democratic party, I believe, has been traumatic, destructive, damaging…and divisive…


    having said all of that, I grew up in New England and went to school and lived in Boston during college…my parents have been diehard dems all their lives and it is sad to me that things played out the way they did…I grew up believing in Camelot and all the liberal idealism of the Kennedy days and the democrats…an era, another era of our parents generation, has ended and it is sad…RIP, Ted Kennedy…

    reality tells a different story…you could have written a different chapter…

  55. S said,

    “…it seems Joe was making a specific point perhaps about a certain someone he now deals with on a daily basis…someone who daily makes it about him, him, him…and more him…’


    Clever wording… on Joe’s part. Well thought out , not an off the cuff statement.. (for a change)

    Note the Carter statement was given to the BBC… not US media…

    Teddy supported Deval Patrick, Obama’s evil twin. Ted has lost a great amount of respect in the state of MA. Remember MA voted for Hillary.

    The consensus of MA constituency did NOT want Obama. Hillary WON MA.

  56. Chris Mathews, whose show is always dead last in the cable ratings….a true scumbag who made a complete ass of himself and journalism ethics throughout the campaign…..a bag of hot air, much like Teddy.

  57. its amazing, if you want to see what people really thought of Uncle Teddy, just go read the comments under the sickly sweet article (Ted Kennedy: ‘Heartbroken’ Obama leads tributes to ‘the greatest U.S senator of our time’) in the Daily Mail in the uk.

    and why has no one pointed out yet, if Kennedy was so enamoured with getting healthcare past had he not done it in the last 40 years, I didnt see him spend any of his own money vigourously campaigning for it and the one time he could have given good healthcare, the woman drowned.

  58. Ted Kennedy did not live by the oath to first do no harm. He did a little bit of good; but that is overwhelmed by actions and deeds that did great harm often to masses, at times to individuals like Hillary, Bill, and Mary Jo.
    The Kennedy legacy began by father Joe disregarding prohibition laws and the family fortune was amassed; the sons and grandchildren were trust fund babies. I will not miss him, but I do feel for the pain that those who loved him must be going through. I have been there. I am grateful that he will no longer use his celebrity to promote bad laws and to promote people who DO NOT LOVE this country. There is a feeling of what goes around comes around; and satisfaction that he will face Mary Jo’s death in some form or another.
    The ‘greater angels’ he spoke of in a speech must be delirious to call him into account for all his lifetime of misdeeds.

  59. • TheRealist Says:
    August 26th, 2009 at 10:16 am
    My grandmother taught me not to speak ill of the dead, and civilized, rational people seem to adhere to that model. Expressions of anything other than sympathy for the dead and their families tend to reflect negatively on the speakers and are best left off a public site like this.
    My sympathies to the Kennedy family…
    Just my opinion…

    My grandmother taught me a lot of stuff that’s proved to be irrational, unrealistic and/or just plain superstitious. Perhaps a Realist ought to question authority… or at least ask the reason for this belief that it’s wrong to speak ill of the dead. By that code, we all had better shut up about most of history.

    Politically speaking, we are well rid of the guy. It’s a day for all civilized rational and intelligent people to celebrate!

  60. UPDATE: At 12:06, Secretary Clinton’s statement:

    Today I join all Americans in mourning the passing of Senator Edward M. Kennedy, one of our nation’s finest statesmen and a dear friend. My thoughts and prayers are with Senator Kennedy’s wife Vicki, his children, grandchildren, and all the members of the extended Kennedy family.

    For five decades, Senator Kennedy was at the heart of our greatest debates, serving on the front lines of democracy. With optimism and courage, he helped us meet the challenges and seize the opportunities of our times. He was a champion for women and families, for health care, education, civil rights and the environment. He inspired generation after generation of young Americans to enter public service, to stand up for justice and to fight for progress. And he was a legislator without peer, who understood both when to stand his ground and when to seek out the common ground on which compromise and progress is built.

    When I was First Lady, we worked together to provide health insurance for America’s children. When I arrived in the Senate, he was a generous mentor and a thoughtful colleague. We worked together to raise the minimum wage, improve education, and champion the cause we shared so deeply: ensuring that all Americans have access to quality, affordable health care. And as Secretary of State, I valued his counsel on how to make America a force for peace and progress around the world.

    I will always treasure the memory of his friendship and the time we spent together, from the Massachusetts waters he loved so much, to the floor of the Senate that will feel empty without his booming voice and broad smile.

    We have lost Ted, but his life’s work will shape our nation for years to come. His legacy will live on in the hearts and minds of millions of Americans who are freer, healthier, and more prosperous because of his efforts. As he said, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die.

    UPDATE: Here’s Bill’s statement:

    Senator Ted Kennedy was one of the most influential leaders of our time, and one of the greatest senators in American history. His big heart, sharp mind, and boundless energy were gifts he gave to make our democracy a more perfect union.

    As President, I was thankful for his fierce advocacy for universal health care and his leadership in providing health coverage to millions of children. His tireless efforts have brought us to the threshold of real health care reform. I was also grateful for his efforts, often in partnership with Republicans as well as Democrats, to advance civil rights, promote religious freedom, make college more affordable, and give young Americans the opportunity to serve at home in Americorp. I am glad the bill President Obama signed to expand Americorp and other youth service opportunities is named the Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act. Through it, his commitment to public service will live on in millions of young people across our nation.

    Hillary and I will always be grateful for the many gestures of kindness and generosity he extended to us, for the concern he showed for all the children and grandchildren of the Kennedy clan, and for his devotion to all those in need whose lives were better because he stood up for them. Our thoughts and prayers are with Vicki, his children and grandchildren, and the people of Massachusetts he served so well.

  61. Matthews on Hoda and Kathy Lee said:

    “Obama is the next Kennedy brother.”

    Teddy passed the Kennedy torch to Obama. (laughable!)

    Teddy always was the weakest principled of the bunch.(imo)

  62. It’s also a day for political figures to deliver obligatory eulogies.

    Thanks, ShortTermer — I liked YOUR comment a lot.

  63. Some people aren’t satisfied with simply pissing on someone’s grave, they feel the need to engage in the stupidity of a pissing contest. I leave you to your bitterness and denigration of, of all things. MY GRANDMOTHER…sheesh! Talk about irrational…

  64. Bill and Hillary Clinton – always graceful and the personification of class…

    MSNBC and whoever the hell else can try to make Obama the next kennedy, bla, bla, bla…the next ‘ american royalty’…BUT…

    big BUT…the world knows who holds the so-called ‘torch’ that was never TK’s, or anyone else to give…the carrier of the TORCH WAS EARNED…AND BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON are the redeemers…Bill and Hillary Clinton earned the torch being relayed to them thru their actions in real time and history…not some fantasy that MSNBC, GE, and the obama’s want to manufacture…

    History KNOWS who was there at the time the ‘torch’ was passed and it was Bill Clinton and his Presdency…Hillary was next in line…(and pushed aside by the downfall of the democratic party)

  65. Thanks for posting Bill and Hillary’s comment on the passing of Teddy. They are truly the “stateman”. I am looking forward to the end of Camelot, the mystical place where you lied, cheated on your wives, murdered your friends. If I were to write something nice about any Kennedy it would be about Bobby.
    I just can’t admire anyone that so delibertly went after Hillary, or thought so little of women as the Kennedy clan did. My mother also taught me not to speak ill of the dead, but she also taught me to speak the truth.
    THe truth is I will not miss him. I too will not watch TV immortalize someone that should have spent a few years in prison.

  66. Realist,

    I agree with you that it is in bad taste today.

    Interesting how fate has dealt with those who annointed Obama.
    That is all I have to say.

  67. Bill and Hillary should have issues a joint statement simply stating their condolences. Kennedy caused us to be we we are today…No longer a democratic party, no Hillary as Prez, and a Muslim leaning / anti-American Potus in charge of our country…

  68. I don’t see how sharing one’s feeling about a person is in “bad taste”. Had “obamacare” been in place, and were he a simple citizen, with his age and diagnosis he wouldn’t have been around this long. Think about that.

    I just hope some new organization has the balls to point that out.

  69. I have been reading many comments in other blogs, seems there is a hatred for the old man.

    Chris Mathews is quoted as saying that Obama is the last Kennedy brother. Since we have no idea where Obama came from maybe he did come from Camelot. We all know the Kennedy brothers were less than faithful to their wives.

  70. Realist,

    I respect what you are trying to say. However, history usually measures if the contributions outweigh the Sins. For instances, I can state that Hitler invented the autobahn, which became our interstates. Of course the impact of that in today’s world is trememdous. Of course there could have been other contributions he made also, which I have no knowledge But his sins against the Jewish people (and I am not Jewish), his torture and murder of them, will for me FOREVER make him a villian.

    I think there are times when you stand up, tell the truth, and do the right thing, even when it might mean your whole political career. I did not see a lot or any of that with TK. Did he do some great things, of course he did. But he did not stand up for the American people, and endorsed the true experienced leader that he should of, even if he did not like her.

    This Sin and the other sin for me were HUGH. This is only my opinion. He, yesterday, however answered to a higher person.

  71. jbstonesfan

    I think they issued seperate statements on purpose, to make sure people see HRC as her own person. Somehow when Husband and Wife issued statements, the women gets lost in the message.

  72. on another note, Charlie Rangel and his amazing re-appearing 600’000 dollars which he apparently forgot about and also forgot to disclose.

    This clown is in charge of the tax committee…………………

  73. Bloodiest month in 8 years of the war in Afghanistan
    Blackwater in Afghanistan, with echoes of Viet Nam…
    Renditions continue, but with “supervision” lol
    Patriot Act still in effect
    10% unemployment for the next year at least
    cap & trade a sham
    healthcare reform a sick joke
    Economy on the precipice…

    Kennedy’s dead (anyone remember the band? Calling Jello Biafra!)
    but one thinks that Big Pink and admin have bigger, liver fish to fry…:)

  74. I had a discussion with a friend today, that ended rather heated. The indication was No matter what OO did I would be against him, that he needed some time, and that he had a lot of Clinton people working for him.

    You might have waved a red cape in front of my bull eyes.

    1. If he had done ANYTHING (and at this point it is hard for me to come up with anything) right, I would have to give him a break

    2. He said he could lead from day one (this was not an on the job training, give him 100 days situation, especially with a majority of the legislative bodies right now).

    3. Don’t even bring up the fact that there are Clinton people there, as though that might mean see Hill and Bill would have not done any better. I have had several bosses, and my ability to perform was enhanced or not enhanced by their directions and decisions.

    I am afraid I was screaming at the end, to not bring up this subject again, as the Messiah, the one should have walked on water. To whom much is given, much is expected.

    I don’t think my friend and I will go there again soon.

  75. mp Says:

    August 26th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
    MA gov would support a law change as kennedy wanted…..of course he would now!


    That stinks! Politics at work. Don’t the people of MA deserve the opportunity to have a true election and choice? Of course, the MA Gov would support it. Gives him more power.

  76. you would think if O had one shred of dignity, he would immediately leave Martha’s Vineyard and get back to Washington…and to work…let his wife and children stay and relax and get back to work…

    who is on the golf course today?

  77. “MA gov would support a law change as kennedy wanted…..of course he would now!”

    The minute TK announced he had brain cancer Obama wrote him off his list of influential friends that could be of help to him.

    There is a recent video out there of TK receiving an award from BO. Obama has a little seen idiosyncrasy about touching people who are diseased, as if whatever they have is catching.. In this video, Obama can’t even look at TK for more than a sec or two… shades of grandma.

  78. Not all Kennedy critics hold fire
    By MICHAEL CALDERONE | 8/26/09 3:27 PM EDT

    House GOP Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and Rush Limbaugh are pictured.
    Rep. Cantor took a break from his usual partisan ‘whip up’ email Weds morning, and Limbaugh was ‘a little uncomfortable’ attacking Kennedy’s politics. But not every foe is ready to forgive and forget. Photo: AP photo composite by POLITICO

    Washington mourned the passing of the last of the Kennedy brothers Wednesday, with everyone from Barack Obama and Joe Biden to Orrin Hatch and Nancy Reagan offering heartfelt tributes to the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy.

    House GOP Whip Eric Cantor took a break from his usual partisan “whip up” email Wednesday morning “in consideration of the news,” and the usually incendiary conservative blogger Michelle Malkin called for Republican restraint in the face of “a nauseating excess of MSM hagiographies and lionizations.”

    But not every Kennedy foe was ready to forgive and forget.

    While Kennedy was popular among many of his Republican colleagues on the Hill, he was for decades a major bogeyman for the right. Among veteran Kennedy-bashers, the family name is associated less with Camelot than with positions which are anathema to conservatives — and Kennedy himself is known less as a senator’s senator and more as the man responsible for the death of a young woman in an automobile accident more than four decades ago.

    The No. 1 search term at Google Trends Wednesday morning was “Ted Kennedy.” Nos. 2 and 3: “Mary Jo Kopechne” and “Chappaquiddick.”

    Andrew Breitbart, a Washington Times columnist who oversees and, tapped into the anti-Kennedy vein in the hours after the senator’s death was announced, posting a series of Twitter messages in which he called Kennedy a “villain,” a “duplicitous bastard” and a “prick.”

    “I’m more than willing to go off decorum to ensure THIS MAN is not beatified,” Breitbart wrote. “Sorry, he destroyed lives. And he knew it.”

    Few – if any – others on the right were willing to attack Kennedy so directly so soon. Instead, they did so indirectly, teeing off against the Democrats who will eulogize Kennedy and the reporters who are covering it all. The fear: The Democrats and their allies in the press will use Kennedy’s death to ram through health care reform.

    Rush Limbaugh, on his radio show, said he was “a little uncomfortable” attacking Kennedy’s politics but knocked the Clintons for being slow to offer a statement on the senator’s death. Limbaugh also reminded listeners that about a year ago, he “predicted [Democrats] would use his eventual death as the sympathy trigger to get health care passed.”

    “Looking forward to the Democratic line-up at TK’s memorial service,” Hot Air’s AllahPundit wrote in a sarcastic Twitter post. “I’m sure the eulogies won’t be politicized at all.”

  79. Realist,

    I wasn’t disputing what you said. I was simply adding what I felt myself was appropriate. Just my personal opinion and of course you as well are more than welcome to ignore it and move on.

  80. And sure enough, Pelosi is using Kennedy’s death to push her health agenda…


    Democrats: Honor Kennedy with health care overhaul

  81. Jan, unfortunately what is currently standing for health care “reform” is very far from what Kennedy was proposing. I believe, he envisioned a strong public option. Please correct me, if I’m wrong.

  82. Ted Kennedy ruined everything good he ever did by putting his desire to perpetrate another so -called Camelot via Obama and Caroline. As the elder statesmen of the party, he should of and could of waited to make his endorsement..Instead, he back stabbed the Clintons (whom most of us love who post here) and even worse , destroyed life long democratic supporters by placing his blessing in a guy that had no business being in the US senate , let alone POTUS. Kennedy , also unlike the Clinton, tore the party apart in 1980 when he didn’t get the nomination. Hillary and Bill , despite being fucked over royally , were good team players and not only bit their lips, but worked very hard to get a democrat elected….perhaops this was their biggest mistake as well.

  83. Ted was too young to be an integral part of the commitment his brothers had for public service. Ted was never privy to the private conversations and concerns his brothers had for Civil Rights, the Bay of Pigs or Khrushchev, just to name a few issues shared by JFK and RFK.

    Whatever Teddy heard afterward was the nutshell version of the issue but never the process they went through for arriving at their conclusions. That was the gap in his political education.

    For whatever… he was a brilliant speech writer. He had a gift for stringing meaningful words together. Perhaps this was indirectly evidence of the guilt and mental pain he endured resulting from Chappaquiddick?

    I really don’t know-

  84. I’d like to mildly speak out against gotchas about Monica Lewinsky, Paula Jones … or MJ Kopechne.

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