Black Or White – We’re All “Racists” Now

Update: Video.




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Barack Obama Thugs (hereinafter, “B.O.T.s) are back out in the streets. The “racist” card is charging up a storm. Anyone who opposes Obama is labeled “racist”. We now see the face of Barack Obama – “a uniter not a divider”. If you are black and opposed to Barack Obama – “racist”. If you are white and opposed to Barack Obama – “racist”. Anyone opposed to Barack Obama or his policies – “racist”.

Barack Obama called out his B.O.T.s, his thugs into the streets. “Punch back twice as hard” said the Obama thugmasters. Organized union thugs are fighting on Obama’s orders alongside the Obama campaign organization.

The American People are Revolting. The American People are taking it to the streets.

The New York Times news division will point out the danger to the American economy from Obama’s health care scam:

In its 10th year, it shows a deficit of $65 billion. “Deficit neutrality in the 10th year is,” as Peter Orszag, the White House budget director has said, “the best proxy for what will happen in the second decade.”

Why does the House bill go deep into the red in year 10? It’s the same issue that I wrote about in my column last week. Over time, general taxes — taxes on income, for instance — don’t rise as quickly as health costs do. General taxes generally rise with economic growth, and these are the kind of taxes the House would use to pay for health reform. But health spending is growing much more quickly than the economy is.

But the New York Times editorial and op-ed pages shout: “racist”.



Any opposition to “uniter” Obama is labled “racist”.

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Barack Obama is ordering the impeachable offense of violating privacy laws. This in order to shut down the protests, Iran-style.

The B.O.T.s will attempt to shut down the protests just like the Iranian Mullahs, but the protests are spreading.

Town hall meetings called to discuss proposed health care legislation turned violent Thursday, with a meeting in Tampa, Fla., descending into shouting and one in St. Louis ending in arrests.

Close to 1,500 people came to the Tampa suburb of Ybor City to speak with Democratic State Rep. Betty Reed and U.S. Rep. Kathy Castor, an event that exploded into a near riot. [snip]

In Mehlville, Mo., St. Louis police arrested six people, some on assault charges, outside another forum that was billed as a meeting on aging but was attended by activists on both sides of the health care debate.

According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the police showed up toward the end of the forum held by Democratic Rep. Russ Carnahan. One conservative activist, interviewed at a local emergency room where he was being treated for injuries, said he was attacked by some of the individuals who were arrested as he passed out “Don’t tread on me” flags.

The man handing out “Don’t tread on me” was black. Yup – “a racist“.

The uprising against Obama, like the Iran Protests, are “calling out around the world… Summer’s here and its time for fighting dancing in the streets…”



This is America, not Iran. This is the Democratic West, not the Theocratic Left.



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236 thoughts on “Black Or White – We’re All “Racists” Now

  1. Thanks, Admin, for making Friday night more interesting. I understand that someone has just cancelled their town hall McCluskie? I don’t think I have that spelled.

  2. Today is the first time I’ve seen Krugman use the race card to protect Obama’s health care scam. I don’t know what has gotten into him but he seems to believe that Obamacare will work. I thought Krugman was smarter than that and I thought he’d be the first liberal in the news to back the single payer advocates. Guess Obama’s “dinner parties” worked on Krugman too meaning that Krugman’s research funding and other aspects of his career were threatened by the Obama apologists he works for. Sad.

  3. NewMexicoFan, it’s the McCaskill event that was cancelled.

    http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/political-fix/political-fix/2009/08/citing-safety-concerns-u-city-cancels-mccaskills-event/

    A day after a Russ Carnahan event led to the arrests of five participants and a reporter, University City High School — where U.S. Sen. Claire McCaskill was set to hold a similar event on Tuesday– announced that the forum has been canceled. [snip]

    Either way, its hard not to notch the decision as a signal of the growing influence of the Tea Party coalition, who had succeeded at heckling Carnahan at two earlier meetings.

    Although what the move portends for democracy — that citizens can’t gather for a public forum without fears of descending into fisticuffs? — may be up for debate.

    The cancelation is sure to raise eyebrows in Washington, where many other lawmakers are bracing for tough meetings during the Congressional break.

  4. HighlyEducatedHillarySupporter, it is sad to see Krugman decend to this low.

    Meanwhile Obama is telling opponents they do not have the right to speak. “But I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don’t mind cleaning up after them, but don’t do a lot of talking.”

    Of course those, like us, that opposed the Bush mess and the Obama mess are supposed to shut up too.

    Warning: Obama video:

  5. He acts like a straight up thug in that video. And he loves to remind himself that he’s the president (flashback of the ugly birthday gateau with the president seal number 44 for his 48th birthday). His supporters seem to confuse smooth talking bullsh*t and arrogance onstage for competency and leadership in office.

  6. As always Admin, very spot on. I do feel this is coming to some kind of head, and it is not going tobe pretty. Blood in the streets in America, middle class, elderly, black on white, white on brown. The UNITER. His pal amindfuc*john must be “Dancing in the streets”

    Somehow I don’t think if Hillary was in office we would be @ this juncture. She would have dealt with the economic crisis in a fair and honorable way and health care would have been well thought out (as she already had). Presented to the public in a clear and precise manner and debated. No doubt Repubs and others would have taken their shots, but this? NO…never, but then she loves America, and the Fraud Joker loves only himself. Burn baby Burn….

    This is a video on Glen Beck where he is interviewing Daniel Hannan, the member of the House of Commons in GB that gave that dress down to
    the Prime Minister a short while back. Anyway, he is talking about the Health care system in Britain. He speaks to the fact that it is the THIRD LARGEST EMPLOYER in the WORLD…IN THE WORLD. That really blew my
    mind. What little I have left!
    … he goes on to say that it has 1.4 million employees and the vast majority are ADMINISTRATORS.The ADMINISTRATORS outnumber the Dr.’s and Nurses! He said that is why it is so hard to make any changes in the system because of it’s size and the top heavy employees. Needless to say, it accounts for the number one cost in the UK.
    Worth a watch.

    youtube.com/watch?v=rLyj1cVSaP0&feature=player_embedded

  7. The tea baggers need to get organized. They need to move beyond heckling. They need to ask devastating questions as suggested by shv’s comments. Each question should be asked by a different participant. Repeat the question if the politican avoids it, i.e. my question to you sir was . . and I am prepared to wait for a responsive answer until hell freezes over.

    1. Have you read the bill?

    2. Has a deal been cut with BIG PHARMA that:

    a. re-importation of cheap drugs from Canada will be stopped?

    b. the government will not negotiate drug prices?

    c. will you vote against such a deal if it is cut?

    3. Has a deal been cut with THE AMERICAN HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION:

    a. a ten (10) year grace period for cutting payments?

    b. will you vote against such a deal if it is cut?

    4. Has a deal been cut with THE HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY:

    a. to kill single payer?

    b. to force 10-20 million who do not want insurance to buy it?

    c. do you know what the profit margin of the industry is?

    5. Do you take money from:

    a. big pharma?

    b. hospital association?

    c. health insurance companies?

    d. in case of conflict between those contributors and your constituents whose interests will you support?

  8. Are you an African-American? Possible Hillary supporter? Against Obama health insurance scam? yup. “Racist”.

  9. I guess when Dear Leader told them to go “argue with them and get in their faces”, he neglected to warn them that some of us have a f*cking spine and know our sh*t, and will argue back with real facts. And that number is growing. Even granny is getting pissed.

    BOTS are running into Americans all over this country who have shoveled enough horse shit in their lives to see that the sparkly unicorn the BOTS are riding in on is in fact a half-lame swaybacked mule with a blue glitter twizzle stick taped to his damn head.

  10. wbboei

    I think the first question should be, has your campaign gotten any donation from the medical community, and come armed with information on whether they have to make sure they answer correctly.

  11. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics/Haver Analysis, the Percentage of U.S. workers unemployed @ least 27 weeks has risen to a record level 34%

    wsj.net/public/resources/MWimages/MW-AB444_jobles_MD_20090807140707.jpg

  12. That crap about everyone standing out of the way so he can clean up the mess is bull shxt. His ability to handle any mess is highly questionable.

  13. Like George W. Bush, Barack Obama promised to be a uniter not a divider.

    Results:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/122069/Views-Mixed-Whether-Obama-Changing-Washington.aspx

    Since April, there has been a significant increase in the percentage of Americans who say the tone and level of civility between Republicans and Democrats in Washington have gotten worse since Barack Obama was elected president, from 24% to 35%. The plurality of Americans continue to perceive no change in this regard, but that is down from 52% to 42%. About one in five say things have improved in this area, a percentage that has been stable since Obama took office.

    These results are based on the most recent USA Today/Gallup poll, conducted July 17-19.

    One of the central themes of the Obama candidacy was Obama’s desire to bring a new style of governing to Washington, including fostering a greater sense of bipartisanship. In reality, that has not occurred, given nearly unanimous Republican opposition to most of Obama’s and the congressional Democrats’ policy initiatives — in particular, the economic stimulus plan and healthcare reform.

    The public seems to have noticed, as more Americans perceive Democratic-Republican relations in Washington to be deteriorating than said so in the earlier months of the Obama presidency. The decline may also reflect a more general decline in confidence in Obama, as evidenced by the drop in his approval ratings from the mid-60s to the mid-50s in recent months.

    Much of that change is due to the views of rank-and-file Republicans. Now, a majority of Republicans, 59%, see the level of civility between the parties as getting worse. In April, 32% of Republicans believed this.

    Independents’ and Democrats’ views have not changed much since April. Independents are most inclined to believe that inter-party civility is staying the same, but are nearly twice as likely to say it is getting worse as to say it is getting better. Democrats are more likely to see conditions as improving than deteriorating, but close to half of Democrats perceive no change.

  14. admin Says:

    August 7th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    The question has to be ” What are the Democrates in this poll smoking”?

  15. youtube.com/watch?v=L5Z1rMWRrAA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edemocraticunderground%2Ecom%2Fdiscuss%2Fduboard%2Ephp%3Faz%3Dview%5Fall%26address%3D385x350113&feature=player_embedded

    Great clip of Bill Clinton getting ‘A Heroes Welcome in NY’

    Bill Clinton — A Hero’s Welcome

    It is also on TMZ

    tmz.com/2009/08/07/bill-clinton-fans-new-york-north-korea-video/

  16. 2. Has a deal been cut with BIG PHARMA that:
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    WASHINGTON — Pressed by industry lobbyists, White House officials on Wednesday assured drug makers that the administration stood by a behind-the-scenes deal to block any Congressional effort to extract cost savings from them beyond an agreed-upon $80 billion.
    (snip)

    In response, the industry successfully demanded that the White House explicitly acknowledge for the first time that it had committed to protect drug makers from bearing further costs in the overhaul. The Obama administration had never spelled out the details of the agreement.
    (snip)

    But failing to publicly confirm Mr. Tauzin’s descriptions of the deal risked alienating a powerful industry ally currently helping to bankroll millions in television commercials in favor of Mr. Obama’s reforms.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/policy/06insure.html?_r=3&th&emc=th

  17. SHV, did you see many Obama blogs believe (because sharrod brown says so!) that this deal didn’t happen? What are they, totally naive?

  18. admin Says:
    August 7th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    Like George W. Bush, Barack Obama promised to be a uniter not a divider.

    I can’t stand Democratic uniters. BC never promised to be that. The Repubs hated him. The people loved him. People don’t care if your friends with politicians from the other Party. They want results.

  19. mj Says:

    August 7th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
    Oh Lawd, anyone who buys a republican myth about socialized health care is being rolled.
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    I don’t think so. This plan is horrible and quite frankly there are few if no ‘socialized plans’ that don’t have severe long waiting lists for elective surgery that we in the USA are not accustomed to and don’t want. I was speaking to several Doc ‘s at work today and their Doc friends who have practiced in Britain and elsewhere have horror stories of very severe limits on drugs and procedures they can order. Medicare does work for the most part but will be severely curtailed with cuts in addition to the MILLIONS of baby boomer’s that are about to swell the rolls. This is what is causing the fear in the Grey hairs, and rightly so. It isn’t so much about choice @ that age, but survival.

  20. First Family Heading to Yellowstone, Grand Canyon

    politicsdaily.com/2009/08/07/first-family-heading-west/

    The First Family is taking a vacation before their vacation.
    White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Friday the president, First Lady Michelle and the kids are heading west on Aug. 14 to visit Grand Canyon and Yellowstone National parks. Just days later, the First Family travels to Martha’s Vineyard, off the coast of Massachusetts.

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    Does this guy EVER work? One can only hope he gets lost in the backwoods. Wonder how Mozilla will be able to handle the terrain with those $2000 high heeled boots?

  21. Mj, we wrote repeatedly that we wanted a fighter for core Democratic values, like Hillary Clinton.

    Barack Obama however spoke repeatedly about being a uniter. It is Obama’s own words, Obama’s own standards that mark him as a total failure, or liar.

  22. # mj Says:
    August 7th, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    SHV, did you see many Obama blogs believe (because sharrod brown says so!) that this deal didn’t happen? What are they, totally naive?
    ********
    There seems to be a commonality of “brain wiring” with wing-nuts and Obots…same political tactics and a refusal to comprehend facts that conflict with their “world views” from the same NYT piece:

    “The president encouraged this approach,” Mr. Messina wrote. “He wanted to bring all the parties to the table to discuss health insurance reform.” Jim Messina is the deputy chief of staff, the #3 person in the WH after Emanuel, and Valerie Jarrett. It’s funny that the WH gave up the names of the Health lobbyists but still refuse to name the “Big Coal” lobbyists who visit the WH. The side-deals with the coal industry must be really corrupt.

  23. HillaryForTexas, thanks for the video of the doctor and the congressman. The arrogance of the congressional representatives who work for the people is truly astounding.

    S, the Bill video is great fun. A large spontaneous crowd formed to cheer on the MVP – most valuable president.

  24. # admin Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 12:14 am

    Mj, we wrote repeatedly that we wanted a fighter for core Democratic values, like Hillary Clinton.

    Barack Obama however spoke repeatedly about being a uniter. It is Obama’s own words, Obama’s own standards that mark him as a total failure, or liar.

    Oh, I know that. Just mentioning that’s one of the things that unnerved me about the guy.

  25. gonzotx Says:

    August 8th, 2009 at 12:11 am
    S Says:

    August 7th, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    I saw that, people LOVE this guy, me included.

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    me too, Gonzotx…oh to have Hill and Bill in charge…

    just looking at the arrogance of O in that clip above is so frustrating…he reminds me of a street punk…all about him, him, him…

  26. Yeah, well, I’ll stick with FDR, LBJ and Truman who all wanted single payer health care before I go to Glen Beck as my go to guy on health care.

  27. I love that Hillary started laughing as soon as the reporter got mustachioed boob Bolton’s name out, before the question even came. 🙂

  28. wbboei

    I think the first question should be, has your campaign gotten any donation from the medical community, and come armed with information on whether they have to make sure they answer correctly.
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    NMF: you would be a good cross examiner/

  29. …Just a tip to anyone else that may have trouble getting on to the comments section sometimes…I notice once in a while I try to get on and only can get part of the comments section and not able to sign on…it gets cut off…

    I tried going to Internet Explorer instead of my usual browser and going to IE seems to work because I can usually get the entire site that way…hope that is helpful…

  30. It’s hard to get numbers on Big Pharma but adding up published revenue figures for the top 12 Pharma. companies for 2008, the total was $480 billion. For the whole Pharma. Industry I think that is the low number. But using that, the $80 billion over ten years works out to be ~1.5$ of revenues. BFD, no wonder Billy Tauzin is as happy as a pig in sh*t. To put the big concession by Pharma. in another perspective, for the first six months after Medicare Part D went into effect, Pharma. Profits, not revenues, increased by $8 Billion.

    They are making a big deal that Obama hasn’t cut a deal with the Insurance Industry. Even without a sweet-heart deal they do very well. With mandates, the insurance companies get to sell millions of junk policies to newly enrolled patients. If 1/2 of un-insured get “covered” that will be another $100 billion/year in premiums for “junk” medical coverage.

  31. SHV, Obama clearly made the deal. His WH acknowledged as much. But how do you enforce a deal like that? Makes no sense. There is nothing legally binding pharma to comply. They work for shareholders, not the feds. Further, that still leaves 80 billion on the table. Some deal.

  32. They are making a big deal that Obama hasn’t cut a deal with the Insurance Industry.
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    Isnt the deal he made with the insurance industry to kill single payer? Didnt he do that when he was a state senator too. He is there to kill reform, true?

  33. Billy Tauzin is as happy as a pig in sh*t.
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    He was a democrat turned republican. I forget when he retired. I wonder if he is outside the lobbying ban for ex congressmen.

  34. Today is the first time I’ve seen Krugman use the race card to protect Obama’s health care scam. I don’t know what has gotten into him but he seems to believe that Obamacare will work. I thought Krugman was smarter than that and I thought he’d be the first liberal in the news to back the single payer advocates. Guess Obama’s “dinner parties” worked on Krugman too meaning that Krugman’s research funding and other aspects of his career were threatened by the Obama apologists he works for. Sad.
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    Surprised me too. I think he is one of those who has too many memories of the past and too few dreams for the future.

  35. Didnt he do that when he was a state senator too.
    *********
    He sponsored the Health Bill in the IL Senate, then offered the amendments that gutted it. Obama learned the bait and switch early in his career.

    ww.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/09/23/in_illinois_obama_dealt_with_lobbyists/

  36. # wbboei Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 2:02 am.
    He was a democrat turned republican. I forget when he retired. I wonder if he is outside the lobbying ban for ex congressmen.
    ***********
    Tauzin is legally bound by House ethics rules not to make…

    “with the intent to influence, any communication to or appearance before any officer or employee of any department, agency, court, or court-martial of the United States or the District of Columbia, on behalf of any other person (except the United States or the District of Columbia) in connection with a particular matter … in which the person participated personally and substantially as such officer or employee, and … which involved a specific party or specific parties at the time of such participation.”

    Yet Tauzin, six years prior to securing the White House’s promise not to let the government negotiate Medicare drug prices, was instrumental in writing the 2003 bill that created a Medicare drug benefit … but barred the government from negotiating drug prices! (At the time, Tauzin was chairman of the House energy and commerce committee.) Unlike some other House ethics rules, the prohibition against lobbying on anything “in which the person participated personally and substantially” is supposed to be permanent. It would seem not to be worth the paper it’s written on.

    ww.slate.com/id/2224621/

  37. The Obama side deal with the American Hospital Association and others:

    “Why did hospital reps suddenly join hands with the administration to voluntarily accept payment cuts?

    Well first, the hospital associations were able to negotiate down the size of the proposed cuts. The President had wanted to save $220 billion over the next ten years, but then agreed to reduce that sum.

    Secondly, the administration decided to hold off on the payment cuts until significant insurance expansion occurs. (That would be after 2016) Once new insurance programs are in place to cover the roughly 50 million uninsured Americans, hospitals can expect to see their volume of paying customers increase. This will help to make up lost revenue.

    But there are political issues at-play here as well.

    To help sweeten the deal, President Obama promised the hospital associations that restraints on physician-owned hospitals will be included in any healthcare reform package passed this year.
    The AHA and the Federation of American Hospitals have longed lobbied for limits on these types of hospitals. (Restraint of trade by Obama)

    /whatifpost.com/dealmaking-in-dc-obama-and-the-american-hospital-association.htm

  38. In Houston one of the big hospital Chains is selling one of their big hospitals on the Southwest side of Houston. The county hospital system wants to buy it. It says it needs to space to provide for indigent care. The Houston hospital district can’t keep up with the demand for indigent care.
    I thought it was unusual that the Memorial Health system put up one of its hospitals on the selling block as this whole thing is about to go thru in Washington. I wonder if any payola is being done.

  39. mj, I agree with you, I would not listen to a thing Beck has to say. He is a hater of anything democratic. The republicans would do a lot better if they did not have these zealots as their mouth pieces.
    I wonder how Krugman and Krautenhemer has changed their minds, thru payoff or thru Chicago thug bullying??

  40. If the truth were known, the people who are protesting against Obamacare would be supporting it because it preserves the status quo ante and the people who are in favor of Obamacare (other than his army of thugs) would be against it because it preserves the status quo ante. It reminds me of Dover Beach by Matthew Arnold:

    Oh love let us be true to eachother
    Because the world which seems to lie before us
    Like a land of dreams
    So vast so beautiful
    Hath neither help nor hope for pain
    And we are prisoners on a darkling plain
    Where ignorant armies clash by night

    Obamacrats:”Punch Back Twice As Hard !

    Posted 12 Hours Ago|3 Comments|179 Views
    Written by
    Rudi Stettner

    For eight years, the Democrats were in the opposition in the United States, with a Republican president and a Republican majority in Congress. The tide has completely turned. The Democrats have the White House and Congress. President Obama has made it clear that he is not bandying slogans about when he talks about “change.” The United States government now owns General Motors. It is talking about what amounts to a phased in nationalisation of health insurance. The massive bailout comes at a time when our country faces a recession that is like nothing in anyone’s memory except the elderly with memories of the 1930’s.

    Millions of Americans are not willing to be bought off with a stimulus package that will pay a few bills. They want a manner of governance that will be fiscally sound. The American people are truly putting the nation first in these troubled times.

    In the national dialogue about our nation’s future, it is to be hoped that civility would facilitate the exchange of conflicting ideas in the hope that they can be sorted out and harmonised. Alas, this has not happened. Decent people with a stake in our nation’s future have been vilified with the rhetoric of demonisation.

    The White House has put up an an announcement on its web site that sounds eerily like inviting citizens to report each other as they attempt to rush through a health plan that is vast, complex and far reaching in its consequences for the country. The announcement reads as follows.

    “There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.

    There is a certain sense among ideologues, and revolutionaries that their vision of the future is so beautiful that extraordinary means are justified in bringing that vision to physical fruition. People who “only want the best for you” can be shrill and forceful. The White House has now weighed in with advice on how to turn town meetings around from being a public relations disaster for the White House.

    Deputy Chief of Staff Jim Messina was blunt in his advice to ground troops at town hall meetings.

    “If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard,” Jim Messina is quoted as saying.

    How are the street activists taking the “get tough” signals coming from the White House ?

    Evidence from video news coverage is not encouraging. Assaultive behavior and packing meetings with Obamacare supporters has been caught on video. Fox News reports as follows on the ugly turn meetings have taken.

    “A freelance videographer was roughed up in an altercation, which damaged his camera equipment and glasses, and at least one man was treated for minor injuries after a scuffle left his shirt partially torn from his body.

    “That’s the most violent anyone has been towards me,” Mark Bishop told WTSP-TV. “It was surprising, to say the least.”

    In Mehlville, Mo., St. Louis police arrested six people, some on assault charges, outside another forum that was billed as a meeting on aging but was attended by activists on both sides of the health care debate.

    According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the police showed up toward the end of the forum held by Democratic Rep. Russ Carnahan. One conservative activist, interviewed at a local emergency room where he was being treated for injuries, said he was attacked by some of the individuals who were arrested as he passed out “Don’t tread on me” flags. ”

    A public forum is supposed to be just that. Frustration is mounting as sales presentations by Democratic Representatives are mislabeled as town meetings. In the video below, protesters are furious about seeing Obama supporters being led through a back door while they were left waiting for hours outside of a ‘town hall meeting that was allegedly stacked by meeting organisers.

    My dialogue with Obama’s supporters is through blogging. Some of what I hear from the other side is downright chilling. Consider the following article “Free Speech or Treason.” . The contents of the article more than live up to its shrill title.Not since the John Birch Society held a meeting in my home town have I heard such demonising rhetoric. The article reads in part as follows.

    “There is only one thing that I know of that Republicants are very good at. They are very disciplined when in attack mode, and they know how to generate fear, anger, and hatred. They have become masters at framing issues and have built up a huge and very effective propaganda machine that includes most media. The Fox network is entirely dedicated to this propaganda as is most of Hate Radio, and the internet is awash with hateful fear mongering. They used that machine to mobilize support for an invasion of Iraq, a country that had not attacked us, had no terrorist ties and had no weapons of mass destruction to threaten anyone with. They used the machine to nearly ruin the careers of the Dixie Chicks for saying that they were ashamed that Bush came from Texas. So much for first amendment rights. They have continually harassed and threatened abortion doctors, and after Rush called George Tiller a baby killer, one of these angry nut jobs went to Tiller’s church and slaughtered him in front of his family. The machine has been attacking Obama long before he was nominated, and now that he is our president, the Republicants have gone all out to oppose him and anything that he tries to get done. Rush said he hopes Obama fails and the machine has been cranked up to bring about that failure. The Republicants opposed the stimulus, which successfully defused the worst economic crisis since the depression. They opposed the energy program and severely weakened it so their corporate sponsors can continue polluting, and now they are spreading lies, telling the elderly that the government wants to kill them,sending counterfeit letters to congressmen, and doing everything they can to thwart any reform, so their Insurance Industry cronies can maintain the status Quo. Using the Internet they are organizing protestors to disrupt health care meetings, so people can’t hear the truth.”

    In sports, it is helpful to use instant replay to understand how the game is played. This article by a blogger named “Altruist” created a monolith to which he imputes a host of ills and evils. Everything from Fox news to call in talk shows are labeled “Hate Radio”. There are Nazi and Klan radio programs on the internet. I don’t know what Altruist can call them if he trots out his worst label for Fox News.

    In a short section of a paragraph, the invasion of Iraq, the boycott of the Dixie Chicks and the murder of an abortion doctor are wrapped up in the same stinging indictment and imputed to the entire legitimate republican opposition.

    In the midst of a deep recession, Altruist declares the stimulus package to be a success. He is dismissive of the concerns of those who oppose environmental legislation. When there is discussion about “rationing health care” it is completely legitimate to ask if the lives of the elderly might be thereby shortened.

    The way a democracy works is that people with assorted concerns and conflicting interests hammer them out in a legislative forum. To label the exercise of free speech “treason” poisons political discourse.

    I could not make up a better case study for demonising the opposition than did Altruist. i thank him for making my job so easy.

    The Republicans are not creating opposition. There are legitimate questions being asked at dinner tables, car pools and barbecues all across America. For those who believe in a cause, it is not only a right but a duty to advocate and mobilise a consensus.

    President Obama and his supporters proudly defended his humble beginnings as a community activist in the official Obama narrative. Having indeed suffered a major electoral setback, the Republicans have appealed to the court of public opinion, which is unlike Congress in having no summer recess.

    The Democrats can not have it both ways. All across America, they are facing community organisers who may indeed have studied the same instructional literature as Obama. In a perfect world, president Obama and his inner circle would feel a sense of psychological kinship with those holding signs and waving “Don’t Tread on Me.” flags. Who knows. they may even feel a twinge of nostalgia for an activist youth.

    But that is history. Obama the former community organiser is now President. The protesters are in the street beneath his window. Life is a wheel. Get used to it.

    Reprinted with permission from Rudistettner.com

  41. Note: by the status quo ante I simply mean the insurance companies in charge. The role of the panel of doctors will be to limit rights of citizens and in that sense it is different than the status quo ante–which is to say infinitely worse.

  42. (Restraint of trade by Obama)
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    Monopolistic anti competitive anti consumer practice. Other than that it is just ducky. Other than that how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?

  43. I’m so tired of hearing the same old argument that the Republicans, Clintons, “whities” are to blame for the mess America is in right now. I’m especially tired of bambi screwing with the people, taking away their basic rights, treating them like idiot children, ridiculing their opinions, and attacking them both physically and mentally when they don’t fall in line like good little Nazi/Communist soldiers.

    Admin,

    This is starting to feel like the sixties movements all over again. Except that it’s not just the AA’s fighting for their basic rights this time, it’s all Americans of all ages. There needs to be a march on Washington. Obama needs to be locked up for crimes against the nation.

    Honestly that video of Mr. Gladney just broke my heart. Do some of these unions think it is okay to act so violently and with such racist language? It is a hate crime in the worst way. Is this what bambi wants?

    I bet Martin Luther King is not only turning over in his grave, but crying at the injustices going on in 21st century America.

  44. Unlike some other House ethics rules, the prohibition against lobbying on anything “in which the person participated personally and substantially” is supposed to be permanent. It would seem not to be worth the paper it’s written on.
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    We could hang dachelle on that one too, if it were worth the paper it was written on. If I were a cynic I might say we do not have a government by law but a government by men. I remember Billy very well. The bluest of blue dogs not the first to turn Republican but one of the most important ones. From Huey Longs home state.

  45. Saturday, 8 August 2009

    Clinton meets South Africa’s Zuma

    Mrs Clinton is on the second leg of an 11-day African tour

    US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has held talks with South African President Jacob Zuma in Durban. After the meeting, both talked of strengthening ties between the US and Africa’s largest economy.

    Mr Zuma, who took office in May, said the new administrations were taking their relationship to “a higher level”.

    They also discussed HIV/Aids, the cause and treatment of which has, in the past, been a source of friction between the two countries. “In both countries there are new administrations which are taking that relationship to a level higher. That is what we are trying to do,” Mr Zuma said following the 45-minute discussions.

    Mrs Clinton is on the second leg of an African tour which will take her to Angola on Sunday before she heads to Nigeria, Liberia, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Cape Verde.

    The situation in neighbouring Zimbabwe, as well as in Sudan and Somalia, was also discussed.

    Later on Saturday, Mrs Clinton is due to visit a housing project in Cape Town and meet South Africa’s last white leader, FW de Klerk, who shares a Nobel Peace Prize with anti-apartheid leader Nelson Mandela for their role in ending apartheid. On Friday, Mrs Clinton described her meeting with Mr Mandela as inspirational.

    South African officials hope that the visit by Mrs Clinton will signal a new period of cooperation to support the already strong business links between the two countries.

    The two countries previously had uneasy relations when governed by South Africa’s President Thabo Mbeki and his American counterpart George W Bush, with disagreements over Zimbabwe, the fight against AIDS, and the US-led invasion of Iraq.

    news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8191274.stm

  46. Good morning all:

    It becomes more difficult t o awaken in the morning to the bad news that all the media have created to further insure that Obama can feel safe and
    secure nestled among his thugs and
    his Chicago mentors.His goal is to

    1. deceive
    2. divide
    3. destroy
    4. deny
    5. diminish
    His game plan is now in place and a
    dictator is now in charge.He now controls our lives our future and our
    bankrupt country.All this while the media and the vulture of change pick the bones of a once great Democracy
    that has rotten within.
    We still have one hope left to rid the country of this plague that is smothering our feeble protests of free
    speech life liberty and and the pursuit
    of happiness.

    WE NEED HILLARY NOW IF WE ARE TO
    SURVIVE THIS Invasion by a stranger with a Race Card and suffering from
    illusions of grandure.

    By ABM90 America do not give in to
    tyranny and fear.

  47. August 8, 2009

    Recognizing Long Odds, Maloney Drops Her Senate Bid

    By RAYMOND HERNANDEZ

    WASHINGTON — Ever since Representative Carolyn B. Maloney declared that she would run in the Democratic primary for United States Senate next year, party leaders have tried hard to drive her out of the race, making it difficult for her to hire campaign staff and helping her rival raise money.

    Through it all, Ms. Maloney, who represents parts of Manhattan and Queens, remained defiant, insistent about the need to give Democratic voters a choice and pledging to run an aggressive campaign.

    In the end, however, she bowed out.

    After several days in which she seemed prepared to formally announce the start of her campaign, Ms. Maloney on Friday instead said she was abandoning the effort as she confronted a reality that often gives pause to even the most ambitious politician: the prospect of losing a secure job for a long-shot gamble.

    “It was not so much the objections of the party establishment that affected her decision,” said a close associate who asked not to be identified because he did not want to be seen as betraying Ms. Maloney’s confidence. “It was the possibility that she might have to give up the job she loved.”

    Ms. Maloney, for her part, framed her decision in the context of having too much work to do in Congress to take on the demands of a statewide campaign. “Running for the Senate is a full-time job,” Ms. Maloney said in a statement. “Giving up for a critical period of time the things I do best — passing legislation, working on the issues, serving New Yorkers — would put politics before policy. The right decision for me and the people I represent is to stay in the House of Representatives.”

    Ms. Maloney’s decision accomplishes what the Democratic political establishment had long wanted: a virtually clear path to the Democratic nomination for Senator Kirsten E. Gillibrand, who will now be able to cruise into a potentially difficult general election with a vulnerable governor at the top of the ticket without the scars of a bruising primary battle.

    Ms. Gillibrand issued a statement within minutes of Ms. Maloney’s announcement. “Carolyn Maloney is a dedicated public servant and a passionate, effective advocate for the issues she fights for,” Ms. Gillibrand said.

    Ms. Maloney’s decision — something aides say she agonized over for weeks, even as she assembled a campaign staff — brought an end to political maneuverings among the Democratic Party establishment from Albany to Washington and even involved the White House.

    It is also a victory for Senator Charles E. Schumer, who has invested heavily in raising Ms. Gillibrand’s profile and improving her credentials.

    “We all appreciate how difficult a decision this was for Congresswoman Maloney,” Mr. Schumer said in a statement. “She is on a very fast and sharp trajectory in the House.” Mr. Schumer and other Democratic leaders had embarked on an aggressive campaign to force potential challengers from the race because they feared a primary battle would deplete the financial resources of the eventual Democratic nominee and expose them to attacks that Republicans could exploit.

    In May, Steve Israel, a five-term congressman from Long Island, who had assembled a campaign team of his own, announced that he would not challenge Ms. Gillibrand after President Obama called him and asked him not to enter the campaign. A few days later, Scott M. Stringer, the Manhattan borough president, who had created a committee to explore the possibility of challenging Ms. Gillibrand, also decided to abandon the effort, citing the party’s desire to avoid a contested primary.

    That left Ms. Maloney, who took office in 1993, as the only prominent Democrat who continued to take overt steps to enter the primary race, provoking such consternation among Ms. Gillibrand and her allies that Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. phoned the congresswoman to gauge how serious she was about pressing ahead with a campaign. Apparently, Ms. Maloney took offense that President Obama did not deem her a serious enough candidate to directly phone her himself, as he did in the case of Mr. Israel, according to the Maloney associate who spoke on condition of anonymity.

    Ms. Maloney and her advisers believed they could build a campaign around the political vulnerabilities they saw in Ms. Gillibrand, a former congresswoman whom Gov. David A. Paterson appointed in January to fill Hillary Rodham Clinton’s Senate seat. Ms. Gillibrand, who represented a conservative district in upstate New York, had taken several positions in the House that were at odds with the views of many of the liberal downstate Democrats who dominate primaries, including her support for gun rights.

    But the weeks that Ms. Maloney spent preparing for a run were hardly auspicious. Her former supporters and allies abandoned her in favor of Ms. Gillibrand, as Ms. Maloney remained coy about when she would formally announce her candidacy. Ms. Maloney also got a taste of how rough the primary would be when Ms. Gillibrand’s political surrogates pounced on her after she gave an interview with a political Web site in which she repeated a racially offensive term that she said a caller had used in complaining about Ms. Gillibrand. Ms. Maloney later apologized for repeating the caller’s remarks.

    nytimes.com/2009/08/08/nyregion/08maloney.html?_r=1&bl=&ei=5087&en=225bae516ff18d30&ex=1249790400&pagewanted=print

  48. Good Morning All

    Good discussions overnight. The video added at the top was chilling. The protestors that started rebelling are bound to get sympathy if the added people start throwing slugs. It also shows the unions in a negative light.

  49. I remember in Southern NM the one hospital that was there fought long and hard to keep a physicians hospital from being built They eventually lost that fight, and the physicians did build one. It has an excellant reputation, however, it has already been sold to a national group of some sorts.

  50. 10. Shock Troops: during the 2008 primary, Obama shock troops, i.e. ACORN, SEIU and trained in Alinsky methods at Camp Obama, committed serial acts of intimidation, fraud and even violence against Hillary supporters in caucus states. Two thousand (2000) complaints were filed with the DNC yet none of them was investigated. Nor did big media report on this. But they are a matter of record thanks to the fine work of Dr. Lynette Long. Now, those same shock troops have been called back into action by the Obama White House and big media has labeled ordinary citizens who voice their displeasure at Obama’s health care proposal as mobs, racists, Republicans. A lieutenant of Raham Emanuel has told these shock troops: to hit these citizens back twice as hard. In Florida Obama thugs roughed up a freelance video reporter, and in St. Louis they committed a violent hate crime against a black conservative activist which sent him to the hospital.

  51. Krauthammer has not drunk the koolaide. Not one drop of it. This article suggests an independent line of inquiry for those dimocrats who are out there shilling for the grinning racist, and trying to turn his brand of chicken shit into chicken salad. I favor the tort reform he suggests here. There is no market value in mutilation. I favor COMPENSATORY damages, but not PUNITIVE damages. In cases of negligence I favor the loss of license to practice medicine. In cases of gross negligence I favor criminal prosecution. Eliminate the lottery for plaintiffs lawyers like Edwards and you have eliminated a large part of the drag on the system.
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    WASHINGTON — In 1986, Ronald Reagan and Bill Bradley created a legislative miracle. They fashioned a tax reform that stripped loopholes, political favors, payoffs, patronage and other corruptions out of the tax system. With the resulting savings, they lowered tax rates across the board. Those reductions, combined with the elimination of the enormous inefficiencies and perverse incentives that go into tax sheltering, helped propel a 20-year economic boom.

    In overhauling any segment of our economy, the 1986 tax reform should be the model. Yet today’s ruling Democrats propose to fix our extremely high quality (but inefficient and therefore expensive) health care system with 1,000 pages of additional curlicued complexity — employer mandates, individual mandates, insurance company mandates, allocation formulas, political payoffs and myriad other conjured regulations and interventions — with the promise that this massive concoction will lower costs.

    This is all quite mad. It creates a Rube Goldberg system that simply multiplies the current inefficiencies and arbitrariness, thus producing staggering deficits with less choice and lower-quality care. That’s why the administration can’t sell Obamacare.

    The administration’s defense is to accuse critics of being for the status quo. Nonsense. Candidate John McCain and a host of other Republicans since have offered alternatives. Let me offer mine: Strip away current inefficiencies before remaking one-sixth of the U.S. economy. The plan is so simple it doesn’t even have the requisite three parts. Just two: radical tort reform and radically severing the link between health insurance and employment.

    (1) Tort reform: As I wrote recently, our crazy system of casino malpractice suits results in massive and random settlements that raise everyone’s insurance premiums and creates an epidemic of defensive medicine that does no medical good, yet costs a fortune.
    An authoritative Massachusetts Medical Society study found that five out of six doctors admitted they order tests, procedures and referrals — amounting to about 25 percent of the total — solely as protection from lawsuits. Defensive medicine, estimates the libertarian/conservative Pacific Research Institute, wastes more than $200 billion a year. Just half that sum could provide a $5,000 health insurance grant — $20,000 for a family of four — to the uninsured poor (U.S. citizens ineligible for other government health assistance).
    What to do? Abolish the entire medical-malpractice system. Create a new social pool from which people injured in medical errors or accidents can draw. The adjudication would be done by medical experts, not lay juries giving away lottery prizes at the behest of the liquid-tongued John Edwardses who pocket a third of the proceeds

    The pool would be funded by a relatively small tax on all health-insurance premiums. Socialize the risk; cut out the trial lawyers. Would that immunize doctors from carelessness or negligence? No. The penalty would be losing your medical license. There is no more serious deterrent than forfeiting a decade of intensive medical training and the livelihood that comes with it.

    (2) Real health-insurance reform: Tax employer-provided health care benefits and return the money to the employee with a government check to buy his own medical insurance, just as he buys his own car or home insurance.

    There is no logical reason to get health insurance through your employer. This entire system is an accident of World War II wage and price controls. It’s economically senseless. It makes people stay in jobs they hate, decreasing labor mobility and therefore overall productivity. And it needlessly increases the anxiety of losing your job by raising the additional specter of going bankrupt through illness.

    The health care benefit exemption is the largest tax break in the entire U.S. budget, costing the government a quarter-trillion dollars annually. It hinders health-insurance security and portability as well as personal independence. If we additionally eliminated the prohibition on buying personal health insurance across state lines, that would inject new and powerful competition that would lower costs for everyone.

    Repealing the exemption has one fatal flaw, however. It was advocated by candidate John McCain. Obama so demagogued it last year that he cannot bring it up now without being accused of the most extreme hypocrisy and without being mercilessly attacked with his own 2008 ads.

    But that’s a political problem of Obama’s own making. As is the Democratic Party’s indebtedness to the trial lawyers, which has taken malpractice reform totally off the table. But that doesn’t change the logic of my proposal. Go the Reagan-Bradley route. Offer sensible, simple, yet radical reform that strips away inefficiencies from the existing system before adding Obamacare’s new ones — arbitrary, politically driven, structural inventions whose consequence is certain financial ruin

  52. wbboei, in India while I was growing up, politics was a dirty sport. No person of intellect and humanity would get into it because it was riddled with thugs and ruffians (we call them goondas, probably British origin) who did not hesitate to live a low life of corruption and self-interest. Things are slowly changing there now with the economic upturn and you see people like Shashi Tharoor, who was a UN official (I forget in what capacity but quite high up) now in positions of power and influence. A few young 30 year olds are also coming up with their Ivy League (yes!) education and modern attitude. It will take a long time to root corruption and dirty politics but the direction and outlook is promising.

    In that context it is disheartening to see what is going on here in America now with what you aptly call the shock troops. The video of GA congressman (HFT linked before) is really embarrassing. People want to be polite. But they

    ————–showing their frustration because politicians can’t give them a straight answe.
    wbboei Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 9:21 am

    10. Shock Troops:

  53. 10. Shock Troops: during the 2008 primary, Obama shock troops, i.e. ACORN, SEIU, and others trained in Alinsky methods at Camp Obama, committed serial acts of intimidation, fraud and violence against Hillary supporters in caucus states. Two thousand (2000) complaints were filed with the DNC yet none of them was investigated. Nor did big media report on this. But they are a matter of record thanks to the fine work of Dr. Lynette Long. Now, the Obama White House has called those same shock troops back into action against ordinary citizens who voice opposition to his health care proposal at public meetings. They have demonized these citizens as racists, mobsters and Republicans. The White House Deputy Chief of Staff has told the shock troops to hit those citizens back twice as hard. And they have followed his orders. In Florida Obama thugs roughed up a freelance video reporter, and in St. Louis they committed a violent hate crime which sent a black conservative activist to the hospital.

  54. This deputy chief of staff Messina–a Raham Emanuel boy, knew or had reason to know that his words would lead to violence, if they were as reported. It is like yelling fire in a crowded theatre.

  55. PM 317: there is a direct parallel here which is worth noting.

    The kind of warfare which was waged in Europe prior to Napoleon was a limited kind of warfare. British military historian JFC Fuller (the inventor of Blitzkreig as Nazi tank general Hans Guderian later acknowledged) described it as “the bloodless wars of the absolute kings”. The internal logic was that armies were expensive, so it was best not to waste the lives of soldiers. (Note: there were exceptions to this, most noteably the Hundred Years War which cost 6 million lives).

    But when the Napoleon came to power, everything changed. War was no longer waged against armies alone. It was war between the entire populations, war of the peoples. In our own Civil War the same transition took place. In the inititial battle of Bull Run (Mannassas) people held picnicks on the hillside and watched the soldiers maneuver and engage. But when Grant took charge and embarked on the bloody trail of the Battle of the Wilderness, Spotslvania, Petersburg which lead ultimately to the burning of Atlanta and Shermans predation upon the civilian population it became as well a war between the people. Total war.

    In watching Obama, I have had the growing sense that this is precisely what his movement is all about. The Republicans I spoke to never seemed to understand the point. But there is a quotation from Napoleon himself which sums it up quite nicely and forshadows a similar demise for Obama: I am driven to an end I do not know. As soon as I have reached it I shall become unnecessary. An atom could shatter me. But before then not all the forces in mankind can do anything to stop me. Like Napoleon, Obama incites a war of the people, and he will do it along racial lines. I could be wrong, but that is the concern.

  56. Os vacation before the vacation. I wonder how the unemployed family are taking that who can take no vacation at all.

  57. To be clear, when I said the Republicans did not understand it what they did not understand was that this was a new kind of politics just as Napoleon represented a new kind of war. Napoleon was an organizational genius, whereas Obama by his own admission cannot keep track of his own paperwork. Napoleon was a detail man, Obama avoids details like the plague. Napoleon was a genius whereas Obama is a lightweight who cannot even write his own speeches and focus groups everything. It is the brand I am talking about, the power to incite and the scorched earth type of politics which the republicans had not antidote for that was troubling and outcome determinative.

  58. Wbboei, I sent you a couple of video’s, they are real cute and I think should be imbedded here, I will let you decide.

  59. wbboei, very astute and there is a certain element of inciting one group against the other in Obama from the beginning and race since he looks like an AA he takes full advantage of that. He is the most polarizing figure but his cover is his race so he and his cronies can muddle the opposition to mean they are reacting to his race and not the substance. He is a goonda personified internally with a polished exterior which escapes him from time to time in his unguarded moments. But what I am most surprised by the last three months is that people are dressing down other lowly politicians (like that GA Rep, or even Hoyer). Trust is eroding.

    Going back to my India example, threat is what happens when everything else is lacking and all you have is your goondaism. But the fantastic culmination of an Ivy league education and a white heritage in this character is quite uncanny, a flawless luck of the draw for him and his enablers.

  60. Hillary supporters need to be clever.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article6753086.ece

    As the 2000-year-old story goes, the crow filled the bucket of water with stones until the level became high enough for him to quench his thirst.

    Just a fable? Apparently not. Footage shows a rook – a relation of the crow – performing the feat to reach a worm floating on the water’s surface.

    The study, published by Current Biology, says that crows are innovative tool users, even though they are not known to use tools in the wild.

    Footage of the experiments shows the rook first assessing the water level by peering at the tube from above and from the side, before picking up and dropping the stones into the water.

    The birds were extremely accurate, using the exact number of stones needed to raise the worm to a height where they could reach it.

  61. Palin Calls Obama Health Plan ‘Evil’

    aol.com/article/palin-calls-obama-health-plan-evil/608570?icid=main|htmlws-main|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fpalin-calls-obama-health-plan-evil%2F608570

  62. admin Says:

    August 8th, 2009 at 11:52 am
    Hillary supporters need to be clever.

    That was so interesting. The crow knew immediately what to do. I wonder if he had done this experiment before?
    More to that saying I guess…

    As the Crow flies

  63. Death threat against Congressmen not having a Town Hall” that was the headlines, below is the actual call narrative.
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    The threatening caller, when told by a staffer that Miller was not planning a meeting, claimed the congressman didn’t want to meet with people face to face because he knew it would cost him his life, according to Canipe. The staffer then asked if the caller was making a threat. The caller, said Canipe, replied that there are a lot of angry people out there
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    Again, I think the headline was misleading, although I think this caller said a few too many words, but when asked to clarify, they said something else.

    Now, don’t get me wrong, I think people should not let it escalate to this level. However, the nasty stuff really did happen at the two caucus events I was at.

    There is an old saying what goes around comes around. Os people were really pushing people around. They saw that tactic used against them, or claim it is being used against them, and they have brought out the goons AGAIN. HRC volunteers remember the tactic well.

    HRC voters, volunteers, and delegates did not give back what they got. However, there appears to be a group of people out there doing just that.

  64. Black Panther Case Draws Scrutiny

    Republicans on the Hill have teamed up with the Commission on Civil Rights to find out why the voter intimidation case was dropped

    pajamasmedia.com/blog/black-panther-case-draws-scrutiny/

  65. there is a certain element of inciting one group against the other in Obama from the beginning and race since he looks like an AA he takes full advantage of that.
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    agreed. The white boogey man is central to his world view. His schtict is to pit groups against eachother and then serve as the peace maker.

  66. I LOVE that clip!

    (I posted it a couple of days ago.)

    I also said if you think that’s smart, you should see what my parrots do!

    (On second thought – maybe not) hehehehehe.

    Anyway, I’ve had to put locks on everything from cabinet doors to cage doors, often without success. And if Venus (the bluefront amazon) sees some food in a plastic container she wants, she has no trouble opening it)

  67. From Bitterpolitiz

    GOP Senator Seeks to Require Congress to Join Potential Health Reform Public Plan

    Sen. Tom Coburn, a fierce opponent of a public option for health care reform, has introduced an amendment requiring all lawmakers to enroll in the plan if it is included in a final bill that is passed.
    tinyurl.com/lgvo2f

  68. Black Panther Case Draws Scrutiny

    Republicans on the Hill have teamed up with the Commission on Civil Rights to find out why the voter intimidation case was dropped
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    Mas vale tarde que nunca. Better late than never.

  69. From another site…I agree

    “Some people wear Superman pajamas. Superman wears Bill Clinton pajamas.”

  70. “I Barack Obama (aka Barry Sotero, aka Barry Soreto, aka whoever he claims to be next) do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
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    No wonder he had to take the oath twice. First time the Bible leaped from the Chief Justice hand. Was he under oath when he took the oath or were his fingers crossed?

  71. wbboei Says:

    August 8th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    That’s what i say. No matter their reasons behind it, maybe something good will come out of it.

    Reminds me of a job I had @ an eating disorders clinic. Was very successful with a difficult client base that is hard to treat. Had first class therapists and programming 24/7. I saw a lot of people really turn their lives around, though I always felt something odd about the two head honchos, something just not right. Years latter I found out the extent of their dysfunction and the shady things they did. But in the end, although even more people probably could have been helped and some hurt by their behaviors, a lot of good came out of that program despite them.

  72. To continue the thought, when he plays the peace maker he brings his White heritage (or pseudo-race neutral) out to show that he is no Al Sharpton though he may look like one. As I said what a fantastic luck of the draw for him to exploit. All I can say is what could have been if things were done right. But the product is defective and you can’t get past it. It is shiny, looks nice and you want to take it home but when you do it does not work.
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    # wbboei Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    there is a certain element of inciting one group against the other in Obama from the beginning and race since he looks like an AA he takes full advantage of that.
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    agreed. The white boogey man is central to his world view. His schtict is to pit groups against eachother and then serve as the peace maker.

  73. These town hall meetings have shown one more thing about the lowly politicians that they are lazy to inform themselves and convey that to their constituents. They spit their gobbledygook and people are not buying it. It is actually quite fascinating to watch. The interruptions and “heckling” are not because the people are GOP but because they are impatient and don’t want any stupid “cop out” answers. This is truly the information age. With the onslaught of the Internet in the average Joe/Jane’s life, all kinds of information is out there and the average folks want to get the accurate picture from these people who are in the know (or not) and the power to change their lives. But the people are not getting it from them and not even from their President and that is why the frustration.

  74. It is shiny, looks nice and you want to take it home but when you do it does not work.
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    To borrow a phrase from Kennedy (Sorenson most likely) in Profiles In Courage, Mr. Obama is like “a mackrel in the moonlight. He shines but he stinks.”

  75. Fox headline states Dem reps now “rethinking their townhalls. Orders from HQ to shut them down, for sure. Not to fear. Find the SOB’s offices, homes and march in the streets. Let the B.O.T.’s start obstructing justice. The sooner BHO calls for “martial law” the sooner the REVOLUTION begins. Better now than later, is the way I see it. Why prolong the agony? The later it takes place, the more time he has to completely undo everything decent that’s left in our crumbling society.

    How ironic, that FORTY years after Woodstock, Abbey Road, Charles Manson’s Helter Skelter, the “love”, “peace” and “freedom” – all of those supposed coveted elements of the Democratic Party – the party that called for the end of the Viet Nam War has become Nazis themselves. Rush is right.

  76. From Ace via BP

    Remember when Ari Fleischer said Americans should “watch what they say?” Back then, the ACLU said that was a warning to “remind us how easily our precious First Amendment rights can be lost.”

    The White House snitch program under President Obama, though, is just a “bad idea that could send a troublesome message.” They also want
    you to know that even though the White House may be collecting personal information, it’s cool…they’re totally sure Obama won’t do anything with it.

    But the organization [ACLU] added, “While it is unclear at this point what the government is doing with the information it is collecting, critics of the administration’s health care proposal should not fear that their names will end up in some government database that could be used to chill their right to free speech

  77. I made a mistake upthread, and, well . . . I just need to apologize. I made a blanket statement in haste. No punitive damages. Upon reflection, I realized that as with every other rule there is an exception. I refer of course to the quack quack quack who gave Nancy Poosie her fifth face lift which made everything go blatto. I thought it was the booze but it must have been the scapel. That one eye now is sort of off like the wicked witch of the west whereas the other eye has that come hither look last seen in squeekie frohm. And nothing so depicts that botched facelift than the modern art work poster of her from the night of the living dead Obama poster set. Under those limited circumstances, I am inclined to say that punitive damages should be recoverable, not by Nannie Poopie but by the American People.

  78. “While it is unclear at this point what the government is doing with the information it is collecting, critics of the administration’s health care proposal should not fear that their names will end up in some government database that could be used to chill their right to free speech
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    Is the ACLU really that naiive? Nadine wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  79. While it is unclear at this point what the government is doing with the information it is collecting, critics of the administration’s health care proposal should not fear that their names will end up in some government database that could be used to chill their right to free speech
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    Remember who we are talking about here: the alter ego of the Chicago Machine.

  80. pm317 said:

    His schtict is to pit groups against eachother and then serve as the peace maker.

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    GReat post overall! Yes, from what I’ve read about Obama’s Chicago days and ‘Community Organizing’ in general, that sounds like a good description.

    I had some good references at Clintondems, haven’t checked if they’re still there.

  81. wbboei Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 10:09 am

    ==============================

    You know the territory, but I’m a little leery of anything from the right wing that attacks ‘trial lawyers’ — meaning the lawyers who work for consumers.

    As to ‘expensive unnecessary tests’ — imo the solution is MORE tests, which will bring down the price of tests. We have routine screening of healthy people by some tests (eg mammograms) to catch problems early; let’s expand that to ALL possible non-invasive tests.

  82. ADMIN … perhaps this info can be included in your upcoming expose:

    reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE57706N20090808

    Geithner asks Congress to higher US Debt Limit (UNBELEIVABLE!)

    By David Lawder

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner formally requested that Congress raise the $12.1 trillion statutory debt limit on Friday, saying that it could be breached as early as mid-October.

    “It is critically important that Congress act before the limit is reached so that citizens and investors here and around the world can remain confident that the United States will always meet its obligations,” Geithner said in a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid that was obtained by Reuters.

    A Treasury spokeswoman declined to comment on the letter.

    Treasury officials earlier this week said that the debt limit, last raised in February when the $787 billion economic stimulus legislation was passed, would be hit sometime in the October-December quarter. Geithner’s letter said the breach could be two weeks into that period, just as the 2010 fiscal year is getting underway.

    The latest request comes as the Treasury is ramping up borrowing to unprecedented levels to fund stimulus and financial bailout programs and cope with a deep recession that has devastated tax revenues.

    It is expected to issue net new debt of as much as $2 trillion in the 2009 fiscal year ended September 30 and up to $1.6 trillion in the 2010 fiscal year, according to bond dealer forecasts.

    The request to increase the debt limit will likely raise the ire of Republicans who have accused President Barack Obama of runaway spending. They may try to hold up the legislation in effort to win concessions on Obama’s health care reform plan.

    Geithner urged Reid to not let politics hamper U.S. credit-worthiness and said he looked forward to working with the Nevada Democrat to secure enactment of legislation on the debt limit as early as possible.

    “Congress has never failed to raise the debt limit when necessary. Because members of both parties have long recognized the need to keep politics away from this issue, these actions have traditionally received bipartisan support,” he wrote. “This is clearly a moment in our history that calls for continuation of that tradition.”

    (Reporting by David Lawder; editing by Carol Bishopric)

    ***********************************

    unbelievable…it was bad enough when the dem congress continually allowed Bush to raise the debt limit…now our clueless WH and Congress continue on this course worse than Bush and worse than a drunken sailor binge…

    the above headline juxataposed to this:

    Lawmakers Global Warming Trip hits Hot Spots

    online.wsj.com/article/SB124967502810515267.html#mod=rss_whats_news_us

    (snip)

    The South Pole trip, led by Rep. Brian Baird (D., Wash.), ranks among the priciest. The lawmakers reported a cost to taxpayers of $103,000.

    That figure, however, doesn’t include the actual flying, because the trip used the Air Force planes, not commercial carriers. Flight costs would lift the total tab to more than $500,000, based on Defense Department figures for aircraft per-hour operating costs.

    Lawmakers say the trip offered them a bla, bla, bla…

    …article continues…

    AND this…

    Congress gets an upgrade

    online.wsj.com/article/SB124960404730212955.html

    WASHINGTON — Congress plans to spend $550 million to buy eight jets, a substantial upgrade to the fleet used by federal officials at a time when lawmakers have criticized the use of corporate jets by companies receiving taxpayer funds.

    The purchases will help accommodate growing travel demand etc.

    bla, bla…

    more of the same…worse than bush…completley out of touch with reality…

    as I heard someone say –

    the Congress is acting like they are a hedge fund and the taxpayers are their personal checkbook/cash register…

    spend, spend…then just tax and borrow

  83. Great reading everyone- Thanks for staying on top of things…

    The purchase of the 3 new jets are so Congressman can get out of Dodge in a hurry when ALL Hell breaks loose in the country.

    I see the Crowley/Gates fiasco tempered the unsure racist claim made by the MO victim. Just think how it would have been a given that ‘racial profiling’ was the crux of the Crowly/Gatets affair; had the Crowley/Gates affair not played out to the end until the Truth was revealed and accepted as such.

    What I don’t understand is… how these SEIU members are allowed to roughup attendees at these Town Hall Meetings?

    Why haven’t the police stopped them from entering Town Hall perimeters where lawful persons are attending asking questions and looking for information?

    They are easily identified.

  84. Mrs. Smith, in answer to your question: in many cases SEIU and the Obama campaign organization are the sponsoring organizations. The thugs are in charge.

  85. ADMIN!!!!!
    Please EMBED!!!!!
    Here is more video form the St. Louis protest showing an SEIU woman shoving a camera woman in the face, complete with transcript.
    Poor visuals but great audio!
    I swear I think the thugs are trying to spark civil war.

    www dot youtube dot com/watch?v=rwxf_2GFOBc&eurl

  86. # admin Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    Mrs. Smith, in answer to your question: in many cases SEIU and the Obama campaign organization are the sponsoring organizations. The thugs are in charge.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Got it! In that case, heres hoping some of Sgt Crowley’s friends (covertly) put the word out to all the local PDs about these instigators to just ‘Shutem’ Down’ before they really hurt someone and before they are responsible for inciting race riots throughout the country.

    Thanks for the insight, admin-

  87. youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA

    h stuff and ws

    Now this is a clever video, which speaks to a lot of the things I beleive in. It is circulating on the net. It is a little long. However, I am sure this guy would be accused of being republican and racists. Let me know what you think.

  88. I liked the part where he said medical care and retirements should be the same as what is being given to the rest of the country. That someone should earn their full salary for life after serving only one term is obnoxious.

    They really think they are above the people they are voted in by.

  89. WASHINGTON – U.S. drugmakers stand ready to spend $150 million to help President Barack Obama overhaul health care this fall, according to numerous officials, a staggering sum that could dwarf attempts to derail Obama’s top domestic priority.

    The White House and allies in Congress are well aware of the effort by Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, a somewhat surprising political alliance, given the drug industry’s recent history of siding with Republicans and the Democrats’ disdain for special interests.

    The campaign, now in its early stages, includes television advertising under PhRMA’s own name and commercials aired in conjunction with the liberal group, Families USA.

    Numerous people with knowledge of PhRMA’s plans said they had been told it would likely reach $150 million and perhaps $200 million. They spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to divulge details.

    Additionally, the industry is the major contributor to Healthy Economy Now, which recently completed a $12 million round of advertising nationally and in several states. The ads were made by firms with close ties to Democrats and the White House and generally reflected the administration’s changing rhetoric on health care.

    In an interview, Ken Johnson, senior vice president of PhRMA, said, “We will have a significant presence over the August recess, both on television and newspapers and on radio, but we have not finalized details for our fall campaign.”

    Ron Pollack, executive director of Families USA, said the partnership with the deep-pocketed drug industry is one of mutual self-interest, even though the two groups disagree on numerous issues. “We want to achieve coverage for everyone. For PhRMA, this would improve volume for prescription sales because everyone” would have better access to medicine, he said.

    more at:

    msnbc.msn.com/id/32340524/ns/politics

  90. August 7, 2009

    Clinton Defends Husband’s North Korea Trip and Calls Iran Trials Sign of Weakness

    By Ashley Southall

    In a CNN interview, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton dismissed Republican criticism of a trip by her husband, former President Bill Clinton, to free two American journalists held in North Korea, and said Iran’s prosecution of protesters showed that the country is “afraid of its own people.”

    In the interview, which will be broadcast on CNN on Sunday, Mrs. Clinton responded to harsh criticism from John Bolton, an ambassador to the United Nations during the Bush administration.

    Mr. Bolton had characterized the mission to free the American journalists as “unwise.” In an opinion article published Tuesday, Mr. Bolton criticized the Obama administration for sending Mr. Clinton to Pyongyang to negotiate the release of Laura Ling and Euna Lee, who had been sentenced to hard labor for allegedly illegally crossing into North Korea. “Despite decades of bipartisan U.S. rhetoric about not negotiating with terrorists for the release of hostages,” he said, “it seems that the Obama administration not only chose to negotiate, but to send a former president to do so.”

    When asked about Mr. Bolton’s comments, Mrs. Clinton laughed, noted that similar efforts have been carried out before by presidents and members of Congress and summed up Mr. Bolton’s position as an attempt to politicize a humanitarian issue.

    “If President Obama walked on water, you’d say he couldn’t swim,” she said, according to Fareed Zakaria, who conducted the CNN interview.

    Mr. Zakaria also asked Mrs. Clinton about “show trials” for political protesters and journalists in Iran.

    “It is a sign of weakness,” Mrs. Clinton said of the trials. “It demonstrates, I think, better than any of us could ever say, that this Iranian leadership is afraid of their own people, and afraid of the truth and the facts coming out.”

    Mr. Zakaria interviewed Mrs. Clinton on Tuesday in Kenya. Their discussion will be broadcast Sunday on CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria GPS.”

    thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/07/clinton-defends-husbands-north-korea-trip-and-calls-iran-trials-sign-of-weakness/

  91. Good and twisted points to this article but still an interesting read…

    A woman of substance

    August 9, 2009

    US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton put her political ambitions on hold, supporting husband Bill to pursue his. Now, the most powerful woman in the world is pulling strings in the global arena and Bill is by her side, writes Tony Mochama

    It is typical of the Clintons that while husband Bill was last week in a warped and time-warped North Korea, securing the release of two journalists from Pyongyang, his wife, former First Lady and now America’s Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton was in Kenya — opening the African Growth and Opportunities Act conference at KICC and talking to University of Nairobi students.

    Hillary has certainly come a long way in ten years. The day before Valentine’s Day in 1999, she strode into the majestic sitting room of the White House and, with a pained smile on her face and sensible shoes on her feet, she watched the Senate acquit her philandering husband of charges of ‘abuse of office’, stemming from his foolish affair with White House intern, Monica Lewinsky.

    Hillary had stood firm by her husband through this latest humiliation. Yet little more than a year later, three decades after they had first met in Yale Law School, Hillary finally succeeded in bursting out of the orbit of Bill’s black hole force-field, by becoming a Senator (of New York) in her own right.

    It took her 30 years to close the circle — for she had ditched New York and deferred her own ambitions as a woman, lawyer and politician — to go and live in the backwater of Arkansas. She helped launch the political star of her husband to supernova glowing heights that would, in 15 short years, catapult them into the White House.

    Not a happy home

    Contrary to popular perception, partially glossed over by Hillary herself, the Rodham household little Hillary grew up in was not exactly a happy home. While her mother was nurturing, her father was a rough and gruff man who, while he never hit his wife, daughter Hillary, or her two brothers, rarely said a word of praise. School was great intellectual escape for the bright Hillary. She eventually made it to Yale Law School, and was introduced into the Civil Rights movement and children’s advocacy by a Mariam Wright Edelman, who had come to give a lecture on the two topics — in much the same way Hillary herself addressed University of Nairobi students last Thursday.

    Recognisable campus star

    In 1970, Bill Clinton, then 24, arrived at Yale Law School from Oxford, England, where he had been a Rhodes scholar. By then, Hillary was already a recognisable campus star, known as ambitious, very bright at her studies and highly principled. Hillary herself has said “I first took notice of him at the Law School students’ lounge, at six-foot-two looking more like a Viking than a Yale scholar, with his long hair and raggedy beard, talking about water melons.”

    Eventually, Bill and Hillary married.

    In the mid 1970s Hillary chose a career in mainstream law in ‘Arkinsaw’ (with a pro bono practice defending children’s rights) and paid the bills so that her “brilliant Bill may focus” on campaigning for political office.

    He became the youngest Arkansas governor ever in 1978, at age 32, lost the seat two years later in 1980 (the year daughter Chelsea was born) and then, at Hillary’s encouragement, ran for it again in 1982, as she insisted “say sorry to the people, put your damn pride aside, and serve them well the next time round.” Bill did!

    Ten years later, almost, the Clintons were, of course, the new occupants of the White House in Washington, DC. Defeated President George Bush Senior, told Bill as he shook his hand: “Good luck to you.” Bill would need it. Although in the next eight years, he would become politically mature, in terms of character he stayed the same as Hillary had found him — charming, incredibly able but indisciplined, brilliant but often personally disappointing.

    As for Hillary, the engine of her incredible growth was her belief and spirituality, “her messiah — like self perception” her detractors called it. And while Bill was a doting dad, eager to please Chelsea the teenager, Hillary structured her only child’s character and even enrolled her in an integrated school in Washington, unlike then Vice President Al Gore and his wife, Tipper, who sent their daughter to an elite girls’ school.

    Hillary also made sure Chelsea, in spite of an army of White House staff, always cleaned up after herself and did other chores.

    Yet in the early days of their Presidency, the perks of power briefly corrupted the Clintons. Bill, for instance, kept the Air Force One on the LA tarmac for one hour, burning fuel and interrupting landing schedules, while he had a $200 (Sh15,000) haircut in Beverly Hills, and brought traffic to standstill.

    The American Press had a field day, dubbing Hillary and Bill ‘The Beverly Hills Hillie-Billies’, and (unlike the hard-headed Administration of Kenya) the Clintons learnt their lesson. “You never have to whip me twice,” Bill joked to journalists.

    Insider land deals

    Over the White-Water scandal where Hillary was alleged to have done insider land deals to make money, she showed some of her husband’s obfuscation tendencies.

    “Where instead of encouraging a broader process of internal discussion, coherent planning and full and prompt disclosure, Hillary chose a narrow, legalistic approach that relied on containment, and so contaminated her husband’s presidency.” This was in 1994, and the Clintons would pay a heavy price as (their) Democrats lost both senate and congress majorities in the elections.

    Hillary could also be cutting in her answers when under pressure. After her former law partner, Vince Foster, committed suicide and an inquiry was on, she snapped at Inquiry counsel, Mike Chertoff: “Stop bobbing and weaving with me in your questions, because I am tired and bored (she had sat with him for four hours). Otherwise, go ahead and talk, but I’ll take a walk, and then sometime next week, when you’re through, I’ll come back and answer (the long-winded question(s).”

    But this snapping Hillary was a rarity. In reality, she was a sympathetic person. When Dick Morris, her husband’s (and later Raila Odinga’s) political consultant was in 1997 exposed as having ‘paid for sex with prostitutes’ by the national tabloid, The Star, newly re-elected President Clinton was glad to put him out to pasture: “Dick’s gone bad. Maybe a little mad. Someone’s gotta put him down.”

    Hillary was more worried that Morris would kill himself for disgrace. Ironically, a year after advising Raila, during her presidential campaign last year, Dick Morris would go out there, saying “Hillary Clinton wanted me put down like a mad dog after my fall, but Bill, my pal, tried to stand up for me. She would hear none of it.”

    But, by 2008, as Hillary battled for the Democratic presidential nomination with (now President) Barack Obama, the emotional and political aspects of her transformation came into focus — sharply different from the Hillary of circa 1998. Perhaps, for the first time since her decision to tie her future to Bill’s 35 years before, the law graduate turned presidential candidate experienced the sense of accomplishment that had eluded her all her adult life.

    Always in hubby shadow

    Her friend Deborah Sale said: “In her position as governor’s wife, or even First Lady of the USA, she always was in her hubby’s shadow…”

    Now she was free of his personal excesses, no longer arch caretaker of his prodigious political appetites, but her own deferred dreams, and she genuinely enjoyed the fame, and even laughed at the monumental blunders of their White House years, Monica included, now non-issues.

    Of course, Obama beat her but Hillary still became Secretary of State. Yet her marriage, the phenomenon of Bill and Hillary, she admits, remains the core of her progress and strength.

    What has changed, in these later years, is the balance of power — from him, to her. Yet, as political writer David Broder recently noted: “She cannot function without Bill, and he would maybe have been the most popular Law professor in America, but never Governor, let alone President of the USA, without her. It’s the marriage, stupid.”

    eastandard.net/InsidePage.php?id=1144021056&cid=499

  92. August 9, 2009

    ‘Heroic’ missions put Team Clinton on top

    By Tony Allen-Mills

    A LITTLE more than a year ago, the American tabloids were in no doubt: Barack Obama had derailed the Hillary Clinton juggernaut, and Bill’n’Hill were heading for divorce. “Why on earth would she stay with him now?” one bemused online columnist wondered after Obama’s victory in the Democratic presidential primaries.

    Last week the doubters had their answer. The most gossiped about couple in American politics once again confounded their critics with a stunning diplomatic double act that erased a decade of disappointments and restored both Clintons to the glamorous forefront of global affairs.

    A successful humanitarian mission to North Korea and an eye-catching diplomatic tour of Africa not only earned glowing praise for both the US secretary of state and her occasionally errant husband, they also created a potential problem for a president who, for once, was not at the centre of America’s attention.

    Bill Clinton’s skilful handling of a testing visit to Pyongyang to retrieve a pair of American journalists jailed by Kim Jong-il’s regime earned him some of the most favourable reviews of his career and appeared to remove one of the biggest doubts about his wife’s political future – that he would be a liability should Hillary ever reach the White House.

    “This is really going to help consolidate his role as an elder statesman,” said Ross Baker, a political analyst at Rutgers University in New Jersey. “It almost gave him a kind of heroic tint.”

    Completing the couple’s double triumph was Hillary’s African odyssey. Unlike Obama, who managed less than 24 hours in Ghana on a visit last month to his father’s home continent, his secretary of state is touring seven countries in 11 days and has already made headlines for challenging the Kenyan government on corruption, meeting the struggling president of Somalia and dropping in on Nelson Mandela.

    She continues this week to the Congo, where she will speak out about violence against women and will then attempt to bolster American influence in Nigeria, currently in electoral turmoil. “This is not a trip where she is going only to ‘good’ countries,” said Princeton Lyman, an Africa specialist at the Council on Foreign Relations.

    Yet even Hillary’s do-good diplomacy was overshadowed by her husband’s flawlessly executed rescue mission. The joyful return of Laura Ling and Euna Lee swept away doubts about Bill’s potential for embarrassing the administration.

    Republican senators and conservative pundits had predicted that Bill’s irrepressible globe-trotting and business entanglements would be awkward for any Democratic president; during the primary campaign, Obama had also expressed concern at Bill’s role should Hillary win.

    Hardline conservatives were loath to applaud the couple they have always loved to hate, but several of the Clintons’ former critics acknowledged that Hillary and Bill had surprised them.

    “The criticism from some of my fellow Republicans is misplaced,” said Douglas Paal, who worked for three Republican presidents. “The Clintons’ behaviour demonstrated respect for the expertise of their advisers and restraint from political grandstanding.”

    Marty Peretz, a liberal publisher who has fiercely criticised the Clintons in the past, added: “It’s not easy for me to admit . . . that Bill Clinton still possesses a certain celebrity magic, and it clearly worked even on the grim and brutal Kim Jong-il.”

    What all this means for Hillary’s not-quite-dormant presidential prospects remains unclear. Obama’s dwindling approval ratings and mounting popular rage at his proposed healthcare reforms have excited early speculation that he might be in trouble by 2012, which is probably the last year Hillary, now 61, could realistically expect to run again for president.

    Hillary has denied further interest in the White House, but last week’s events made one thing certain – if she runs again, Bill will be at her side.

    timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6788605.ece

  93. Mrs. Smith,

    The SEIU thugs remind me of the some of middle school kids I used to ‘teach’ I mean try to conduct crowd control with.

  94. wbboei,

    “I refer of course to the quack quack quack who gave Nancy Poosie her fifth face lift which made everything go blatto. I thought it was the booze but it must have been the scapel.”

    hehehehehe.

    you’re getting an early start. 😉

  95. pm317 Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    That approach works up until about, oh, maybe thrid grad (afe -8) in the US school system but beleive me it is totally ineffective after that.

    I’d LOVE to see these cowards sentenced to a couple of days as a public school teacher preferably in the South Bronx.

  96. Clinton helps South Africa bloom

    US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has helped clear rubble and plant flowers as she visited two housing schemes near Cape Town, South Africa.

    The most senior diplomat in the US also danced as she was welcomed with music at the Victoria Mxenge Housing project, which she first visited 12 years ago.

    When asked if she wanted to donate to the project, Mrs Clinton handed over $50 (£30) borrowed from an aide.

    Mrs Clinton is visiting South Africa on a tour of seven African nations.

    Correspondents say she was in her element as she toured the Victoria Mxenge project, which she had visited while she was first lady in 1997 and 1998.

    Stopping off at a second project, she called on staff to lend a hand to teams of women preparing ground for a new building.

    They cleared rubble from the site and planted flowers and a tree.

    “This is what I really believe in,” she was quoted as saying during the tour.

    “I mean, I have travelled literally all over the world and when people organise themselves and are given the tools and the training to really empower themselves and their future and build houses and communities, that’s what’s lasting.”

    When one woman asked if Mrs Clinton wanted to make a contribution she explained she had no money on her, and turned to Africa envoy Johnnie Carson, who drew a $50 note from his wallet.

    “These are good businesswomen,” Mrs Clinton said.

    news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8191560.stm

  97. Hundreds show up in St. Louis to protest SEIU thugs.

    There’s a pic of Gladney in a wheelchair.
    gatewaypundit dot blogspot dot com/2009/08/st-louis-holds-protest-against-democrat.html

    And an interesting tidbit i saw elsewhere;
    “Got bad news for you. Remember, the St. Louis city Attorney and the County District Atty are the ones who formed the Obama truth squads to intimidate anyone who disagreed with Obama last fall.
    If you expect them to file criminal charges and prosecute with out a wink and a not, don’t hold your breath.

  98. I saw the Gladney interview yesterday and I felt so sorry for him.

    He seemed like such a nice, soft-spoken guy, maybe even a bit slow.

    He said he was unemployed and just trying to make an honest dollar by selling items at the town hall meeting.

  99. Admin, thanks for embedding the video at 5:49. I have often thought that the people who formed this country at this point might be a little ashamed of what is going on now.

    They gave up EVERYTHING to give us this democracy (no interview, book deals, lobbies filling their pockets). We know that a large number that signed the Declaration of Independance really suffered after in their lives.

    Compare that to the Legislative body we have not, exception health care, exceptional retirements, and the speech and book circuit waiting for them.

    What ever happen to civic duty (without any repayment). Today, the politcians don’t even know the meaning of it.

  100. Admin,

    Now DON’T get me talking about birds or it will be a really slow Saturday night. 😉

    (Can’t resist: I’ve seen video of crows pulling up fish from lines set by ice-fishers by stepping on the line, pulling it in with their beak (sort of like hand-over-hand only it’s beak-over-claw) until they get the fish out of the water and then it’s dinner time.
    poor fish. But happy crow.

  101. Thanks SHV.

    I was just wondering if anyone here knew anything extra about him and how he fits into the BO entourage. (if at all)

  102. I think that after his brother was exposed for the $1 million theft of ACORN money and the cover-up, the Rathke’s are no longer “player’s”. The real question is who is playing who. The idea that Obama is a leftist is a joke. I think that Obama, the sociopath, has gamed everyone that he has ever come in contact with; beginning with his Grandmother, all of the “old line” lefties, Rev Wright, Chicago Pols, and probably Michelle Robinson. I truly think that he is devoid of empathy any political philosophy is tool and not a belief. He has not keep a single campaign promise that would be considered main-stream or left-leaning Democrat.

  103. I think that after his brother was exposed for the $1 million theft of ACORN money and the cover-up, the Rathke’s are no longer “player’s”. The real question is who is playing who. The idea that Obama is a leftist is a joke. I think that Obama, the sociopath, has gamed everyone that he has ever come in contact with;
    ——————————————-
    SHV: does it matter what Obama is? Isnt it enough to say that the radical left is part of his power base and governing coalition. I agree with you that he has no values, but for that very reason he is susceptible to being used by big business and the radical left when they have leverage. I have been like a dog chasing its tail on that one for months and that is where I come out. The existence of values of any kind implies some predictabilty and some measure of restraint. The only constraints applicable to him are the external ones. If those fade away I think you have the makings of a brutal dictator.

  104. can someon please explain to me, how according to Obama healthcare reform is a lynchpin to economic recovery. I didnt realise Healthcare brought the financial world to its knees, did i miss that day or something.

  105. Obama trying to weaken FBI whistleblower protection?

    August 8, 2009

    It doesn’t take a long memory to recall that during the campaign, Barack Obama pledged to protect whistleblowers. However, something seems to have happened after he landed in the White House. Now his administration is trying to weaken protection for national security whistleblowers using legislation now in the hands Congress.

    A whistleblower is an employee who blows the whistle or tells on an employer.
    The protection means that employers can’t legally retaliate against them. For example, employers can’t legally discharge employees in retaliation for exercising their rights under laws that have protection provisions.

    Under the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002, employers may not demote, suspend, threaten, harass or otherwise discriminate against an employee that blows the whistle. Generally, whistleblower protection rights are designed to encourage employees to halt, report or testify about employer acts that are illegal or unhealthy, without fears of employer retaliation.

    During June and July 2009, there was intervention from the White House’s counsel’s office providing its own drafts of proposed legislation. Although it provided protections for some whistleblowers, it weakened it for FBI and reduced access to jury trials for national security workers who sue for protection from retaliation.

    In e-mails obtained by the Washington Times from a congressional source, its effort to influence the legislation came to light. After it came out, a White House spokesman said that it was an early discussion draft that contained ideas advanced by various people involved in the negotiations including the Senate, the House and outside groups.

    The bill going through Congress was initially praised by whistleblower advocates but as the details about the weakened protection became available, criticism has even been voiced by administration allies in the House and private sector. Maryland Democrat Rep. Chris Van Hollen said that the Senate bill, ….fails short of what is needed is needed to provide whistleblower the protection they need.”

    When it comes to national security whistleblowers, it’s still way too limited in the opportunities they have to make their case without fear of retaliaton.

    One of the obstacles put in the way of whistleblowers is a review panel to hear complaints from intelligence employees who bring allegations of wrongdoing to light.

    Steve Kohn, executive director of the National Whistleblowers Center and a private lawyer said,
    “We have grave reservations as to what’s happening with FBI whistleblowers.”

    Mostly directly affected would be FBI employees who would lose the right to have their cases reviewed by the Justice Department’s inspector general’s office. They would now have to seek protection from FBI managers.

    Whistleblower advocates want Obama to keep the promise that he made during the campaign when he latched into criticism and voted for a broad House whistleblower measure as a senator in 2007. He signed a pledge to support the legislation if he became president.

    In his transition Web site, Obama stated as the new president, he would ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblower have full access to the courts and due process. Now that he is president, Obama has gone back on that promise. The actual words on the Obama’s website were:

    Protect Whistleblowers: Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in performance. Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws to protect federal workers who expose waste, fraud, and abuse of authority in government. Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process.

    Seems he has changed his mind when it comes to the FBI.

    If the White House can pull this off, starting with the FBI employees, which group of whistleblowers will be next?

    examiner.com/x-2547-Watchdog-Politics-Examiner~y2009m8d8-Obama-trying-to-weaken-FBI-whistleblower-protection

  106. AUGUST 8, 2009
    By PEGGY NOONAN

    ‘You Are Terrifying Us’

    We have entered uncharted territory in the fight over national health care. There’s a new tone in the debate, and it’s ugly. At the moment the Democrats are looking like something they haven’t looked like in years, and that is: desperate.

    They must know at this point they should not have pushed a national health-care plan. A Democratic operative the other day called it “Hillary’s revenge.” When Mrs. Clinton started losing to Barack Obama in the primaries 18 months ago, she began to give new and sharper emphasis to her health-care plan. Mr. Obama responded by talking about his health-care vision. He won. Now he would push what he had been forced to highlight: Health care would be a priority initiative. The net result is falling support for his leadership on the issue, falling personal polls, and the angry town-hall meetings that have electrified YouTube.

    In his first five months in office, Mr. Obama had racked up big wins—the stimulus, children’s health insurance, House approval of cap-and-trade. But he stayed too long at the hot table. All the Democrats in Washington did. They overinterpreted the meaning of the 2008 election, and didn’t fully take into account how the great recession changed the national mood and atmosphere.

    And so the shock on the faces of Congressmen who’ve faced the grillings back home. And really, their shock is the first thing you see in the videos. They had no idea how people were feeling. Their 2008 win left them thinking an election that had been shaped by anti-Bush, anti-Republican, and pro-change feeling was really a mandate without context; they thought that in the middle of a historic recession featuring horrific deficits, they could assume support for the invention of a huge new entitlement carrying huge new costs.

    The passions of the protesters, on the other hand, are not a surprise. They hired a man to represent them in Washington. They give him a big office, a huge staff and the power to tell people what to do. They give him a car and a driver, sometimes a security detail, and a special pin showing he’s a congressman. And all they ask in return is that he see to their interests and not terrify them too much. Really, that’s all people ask. Expectations are very low. What the protesters are saying is, “You are terrifying us.”

    What has been most unsettling is not the congressmen’s surprise but a hard new tone that emerged this week. The leftosphere and the liberal commentariat charged that the town-hall meetings weren’t authentic, the crowds were ginned up by insurance companies, lobbyists and the Republican National Committee. But you can’t get people to leave their homes and go to a meeting with a congressman (of all people) unless they are engaged to the point of passion. And what tends to agitate people most is the idea of loss—loss of money hard earned, loss of autonomy, loss of the few things that work in a great sweeping away of those that don’t.

    People are not automatons. They show up only if they care. What the town-hall meetings represent is a feeling of rebellion, an uprising against change they do not believe in. And the Democratic response has been stunningly crude and aggressive. It has been to attack. Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the United States House of Representatives, accused the people at the meetings of “carrying swastikas and symbols like that.” (Apparently one protester held a hand-lettered sign with a “no” slash over a swastika.) But they are not Nazis, they’re Americans. Some of them looked like they’d actually spent some time fighting Nazis.

    Then came the Democratic Party charge that the people at the meetings were suspiciously well-dressed, in jackets and ties from Brooks Brothers. They must be Republican rent-a-mobs. Sen. Barbara Boxer said on MSNBC’s “Hardball” that people are “storming these town-hall meetings,” that they were “well dressed,” that “this is all organized,” “all planned,” to “hurt our president.” Here she was projecting. For normal people, it’s not all about Barack Obama.

    The Democratic National Committee chimed in with an incendiary Web video whose script reads, “The right wing extremist Republican base is back.” DNC communications director Brad Woodhouse issued a statement that said the Republicans “are inciting angry mobs of . . . right wing extremists” who are “not reflective of where the American people are.”

    But most damagingly to political civility, and even our political tradition, was the new White House email address to which citizens are asked to report instances of “disinformation” in the health-care debate: If you receive an email or see something on the Web about health-care reform that seems “fishy,” you can send it to flag@whitehouse.gov. The White House said it was merely trying to fight “intentionally misleading” information.

    Sen. John Cornyn of Texas on Wednesday wrote to the president saying he feared that citizens’ engagement could be “chilled” by the effort. He’s right, it could. He also accused the White House of compiling an “enemies list.” If so, they’re being awfully public about it, but as Byron York at the Washington Examiner pointed, the emails collected could become a “dissident database.”

    All of this is unnecessarily and unhelpfully divisive and provocative. They are mocking and menacing concerned citizens. This only makes a hot situation hotter. Is this what the president wants? It couldn’t be. But then in an odd way he sometimes seems not to have fully absorbed the awesome stature of his office. You really, if you’re president, can’t call an individual American stupid, if for no other reason than that you’re too big. You cannot allow your allies to call people protesting a health-care plan “extremists” and “right wing,” or bought, or Nazi-like, either. They’re citizens. They’re concerned. They deserve respect.

    The Democrats should not be attacking, they should be attempting to persuade, to argue for their case. After all, they have the big mic. Which is what the presidency is, the big mic.

    And frankly they ought to think about backing off. The president should call in his troops and his Congress and announce a rethinking. There are too many different bills, they’re all a thousand pages long, no one has time to read them, no one knows what’s going to be in the final one, the public is agitated, the nation’s in crisis, the timing is wrong, we’ll turn to it again—but not now. We’ll take a little longer, ponder every aspect, and make clear every complication.

    You know what would happen if he did this? His numbers would go up. Even Congress’s would. Because they’d look responsive, deliberative and even wise. Discretion is the better part of valor.

    Absent that, and let’s assume that won’t happen, the health-care protesters have to make sure they don’t get too hot, or get out of hand. They haven’t so far, they’ve been burly and full of debate, with plenty of booing. This is democracy’s great barbaric yawp. But every day the meetings seem just a little angrier, and people who are afraid—who have been made afraid, and left to be afraid—can get swept up. As this column is written, there comes word that John Sweeney of the AFL-CIO has announced he’ll be sending in union members to the meetings to counter health care’s critics.

    Somehow that doesn’t sound like a peace initiative.

    It’s going to be a long August, isn’t it? Let’s hope the uncharted territory we’re in doesn’t turn dark.

    http://SB20001424052970204908604574334623330098540.html

  107. FBI probably has a whisle blower on Os BC!

    I think this past week, America got a glimpse of WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN.

    Are there things, legitimate things, all of us might have not liked about HRC and WJC, of course there are. We do not worship either one of them. But it is obvious that WJC is a man that really struck a cord with the American people, and if you were left in Washington D.C. with a hostile legislative group, the two people I would want getting legislation through are Hill and Bill. The Dims are just plan Stupid for the game they played in the 2008 election (and I don’t intend to invite them to a beer).

    In addition, it is Hills single payer plan that everyone seems to want.

    SO, AMERICAN I know that the people in small town and big cites are not fools, they admit when they are wrong. Yes, there will be the O zelots that will never change their minds, but it is the core of America that swings the elections.

    AN OH BY THE WAY, TAKE A PLAY OUT OF THE PLAY BOOK OF THE TEA BAG GROUP, AND NEVER LET THEM STEAL THE PRIMARY OR GENERAL ELECTION AGAIN FROM THE POPULAR VOTE. A Democracy that fears their elected officials, whether it be in office or the party, is a Democracy lost.

    I am sorry, some times I just have to shout.

  108. Great Stones videos administrator!!!!!!! One of my best experiences was celebrating Bill’s 60th birthday party at the Beacon theater with the Stones playing…..Mick stated something like it’s nice to have the President her and former President Clinton to thunderous applause…….how certain we all were that Hillary would be President. I met with some friends who just came back from Europe after a month and they asked me if “Hillary was stepping down” as they had heard some reports in Europe that she was contemplating resigning…I assume those were the false reports when she had injured her elbow and before the latest triumph in N. Korea. Still, it wouldn’t surprise me if ultimately she cannot serve out her term b/c of Obam’s disatrous handling of foreign affairs.

  109. Isnt it enough to say that the radical left is part of his power base and governing coalition.
    ************
    But who is using whom? I see nothing in his legislative, administrative, and/or regulatory agenda that is “left” much less radical left. Trillions of dollar thrown down a rat hole of corrupt financial and banking industry, billions to “Big Coal”, and GE, “Cap and Trade”, if passed, a new huge derivative and CDS scam plus a god-send to coal and nuclear industry. Health Reform? Another Christmas in August for Big Pharma, the HMO, AHA and Insurance Industry. Foreign policy? Basically his agenda is that he doesn’t give a shit about foreign affairs.

    What motivates Obama? I am not sure but is sure isn’t left wing politics. His whole agenda is about him and I think, if the comment is true, that his only care about Health Care is that something passes so that his Presidency “isn’t a failure”. I think the sweet-heart deals with Pharma and AHA was purely related to the hundreds of millions of ad dollars, so he won’t be embarrassed by legislative failure. Obama make Bush look ethical.

  110. Charles Lane of WaPo has penned one of the sanest treatments I’ve read yet of the whole end-of-life counseling brouhaha. No, it’s not forced euthanasia. Yes, it is troubling.

    Go read. SANITY! REASON! Whoodda thunk it?

    washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/07/AR2009080703043.html

  111. Thanks, HillaryforTexas.

    I think he is right. If they are going to get paid to have the disucussion, they will.

  112. Just got an email on this. Has anyone else heard about this and what might be going on. Off Hand it sounds like one of the grabs for ratings that will turn into nothing.

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    Mark your calendar –

    This Sunday on Fox Sean Hannity, ~ Fox news, is going to air a very important documentary about Barack Obama, Sunday night at 7:00 PM Pacific / 8:00 PM central / 9 PM eastern.. He stated on the air this evening that no one in the news media was willing to do this. Hannity is going back to Obama’s earlier days, showing even then his ties to radical professors, friends, spiritual advisers, etc., he stated this evening that he will show in detail his ties to Rev. Wright for 20+ yrs. How he was participating with this man, and not for the reasons he states! He has uncovered more of Obama’s radical leaders and we will see things that no one in the media is willing to put out there. This will be a night that you will learn more about Obama than ever before Hannity is very passionate about this program and asked that everyone please, please watch~~
    Sunday night, 8 PM. CT; 9 PM ET

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  113. washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/07/AR2009080703043.html

    Personally I think the ‘family doctor presents the patient with the actual Advance Directive document to sign’ is a very good idea. I’m having enough runaround trying to get something printed out and written up and witnessed. If I get it done outside, will the ‘family doctor’ honor it, or will there be some technicality even if it gets into my ‘chart’ at all?

    If the doctor who will follow/enforce it is also the one who draws it up (and hopefully co-signs) — then hopefully things will be in the right place and go smoothly.

  114. # basil9 Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Mrs. Smith,

    The SEIU thugs remind me of the some of middle school kids I used to ‘teach’ I mean try to conduct crowd control with them.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    LOL…Sounds like you needed to keep a mini-taser handy or showing them a mock up as a threat.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~

    NMF: Did you catch that comment referring to BC as a statesman with a heroes “tint”?

  115. Remembering Michael Moore’s movie “Sicko”…

    How is it that France has Free Health Care and all college educations are free?
    I don’t remember their basic formula for making these expensive elements free.

  116. Mrs. Smith, I did not realize that even college educations are free, wow! I did hear that France had rioting a couple of years ago because of high unemployee in certain sections of France.

  117. Thanks for the heads-up, NMF.

    Too bad he didn’t release it when it would have done some good.

    OTOH,

    RIP the 9 souls who died yesterday during the collision in the Hudson Corridor. I have flown that route (as a passenger) and I remember being struck by the insane amount of traffic.
    It is just so sad there wasn’t a second “Miracle on the Hudson.”

  118. Good Morning all.

    Mrs. Smith, I went to bed, so missed your comment. No, I had not seen that comment, but he deserves it. The low key they both are experiencing looks good right now. Today on AOL, they discussing a new HRC hairdo. Must be a slow news day.

  119. Mrs. Smith

    We lived in France many years ago, and the medical was not that good. However, times have changed. Just reunited with an old friend from there. He has just been cured of Lung Cancer, and he lives in a small French city.

    Also, when lived there, not everyone was given the opportunity to go to college. They use to give them test at a very young age, and if you did not pass them, you were taught a skill. Those that passed were educated, and I think it might have been free then also. In other words the country make the decision at a very young age if you got a higher education.

  120. They also had a cast system of the lower and upper classed. In our office a person of the lower class who’s education had been turned off, came in and the American taught him computers. He ended up running an area where an upper classed Frenchmen also worked. There was some resentment over that.

  121. I was reading an interesting argument the other day that basically pointed out the elephant that the Dems may do really badly in 2010 because all those goons that went out and voted for Obama in 08 won’t bother their backsides voting in the midterms in 2010 with no Obama on the ballot and that anger at general normal voter anger at Dems and Obama will mean a drubbing for Dems.

  122. moononpluto

    If that plays out, it will be interesting to see the Dims reaction. I doubt they will get much through the Legislative branch, and they will have sqandered their majority on one piece of legislation, the stimulus bill.

  123. moononpluto,

    I’ve read that, too, but I don’t trust ACORN and BO’s other goons not to conjure up a lot of dead people and game the system again.

  124. basil, i think it will be a case of 08 in reverse, the adverse voting will just be overwhelming against the Dems it will make their head spin.

  125. Ok, you all have convinced me I will move to France. THe educational system you discussed above they also have in Germany, although I don’t think its free.
    As a child though, it would possibly make you study harder if you wanted to do something besides labor. If they state decided if you were smart enough, it might scare a few into doing better.

  126. The problem was 08 became an election about getting rid of Bush and a ABB (anybody but Bush) mentality but now people are now taking a real hard close look at Obama and realising just what exactly they voted for and they aint liking it so far.

    08 was a swept up election in hysteria, when that dies off, its going to be very very pinful when people realise golden boy is basically a gold plated rolex copy they bought for 5 dollars in a bangkok st market.

    We all said that whole bill of claptrap he sold in the campaign would come back to bite his ass, when those welfare queens dont get what they want and those idiots that bought the Obama will pay your mortgage shit realise they have been duped, they will desert him quicker than poop down the pan.

  127. Jeez, moononpluto, I hope you’re right but I’m afraid all that so-called ‘stimulus money’ which hasn’t been spent yet (just 5-10%) is going to bankroll the Dims 2010 election campaigns.

    Or I think they’ll come up with some way to ‘steal’ elections like Bush did in 2000.

  128. confloyd

    The problem with the French system and German is that some kids mature late, and they are locked into the skiills, when they really had the potential to go on to something else.

    That bothered me.

  129. we always say this that elections will be fiddled but tbh administrations come and go, midterms fuck up presidential terms, this will be no different.

    2010 will be defining, i personally think the people like their checks and balances and they moved to sort it out in 06 by giving the Dems control, they will probably do the same in reverse in 2010 to balance it.

  130. Thanks, basil9 and NMF-

    Moore’s documentary SICKO should be playing on cable. I’ll check my tv listings and see if I can refresh my memory.

    NMF- your explanation of how the French decide who goes to college and who learns a skill resonates well within the parameters of some sort of structure they devised years ago. My shock and disbelief was how they arrived at accommodating the French population with two of the most high profile issues necessary to a productive civilized society. All this, courtesy of their government funding the total bill?
    Big Phama, Health Insurers and the Sallie Maes aren’t the decider’s in France.

    Why can’t we do that here, would be my next Q. Oh, right- they’ve paid off every congressperson with hefty campaign donations. I’m sure with promises’ of more $$$ to come if they pass BO’s Health Care pkg as is!

    confloyd, I was surprised as you at France’s (light years ahead of our) government policy.

  131. nmf, mop,

    Well, I am VERY cynical and maybe too alarmist but I could envision something happening in the US along the lines of the recent Iran ‘selection; of Ahmadinijad.

    BO really scares the cr@p outta me.

    But, like I said, my dark thoughts are sometimes ‘extreme.’

  132. Mrs. Smith

    Yes, greed of people in the industry, where the focus should be do no harm, amazes me also. As seen before, Money is the prime motivator. In that SICKO movie, which I did see, I remember them talking about the French system. A young French doctor had a comfortable life, but he was not considered wealthy, and he was OK with that. He had a family, a nice apartment in Paris, a nice car, and he seemed fulfilled. He was able to spend the time necessary with his patience, which seemed to be important to him.

    Many of our doctors expect to be wealthy, and many keep a long distance relationship with their patients. I remember a procedure done for a family member in Cleveland Clinic. We never met the doctor before the procedure, after it was done he did spend time with him, and he explained what he did. We did not see him after that. I felt some of the reason was he was foreign, and really did not want to interact too much. However, we have lost that doctor cradle to grave where people form large personel relationships.

    Who they really get personel with is the drug and insurance companies, who bend over backword, making sales calls, buttering up their office staff, providing lunches, paying for them to attend seminars. Granted, we have been watching a lot of these areas now. But I think if you ask him to name his patients, other then a few he might remember, he does not know them all that well. But the salemen from the drug companies, I bet he knows their name. Better still the staff knows their names. They still provide the tissues in the office with their names on it, the pens, and I have watched them waltz in the door, no appointments, but they are ushered back to a room, and they fit them into the doctors schedule.

    How many of their patients come in without an appointment and are immediately ushered back. Very few of my doctors do that.

  133. Republicans foresee a change of control of Congress in 2010. I don’t. The historical swing is 10% and they anticipate something in the neighborhood of 13 to 15 which I am told equates to a change of control. I had lunch with a top Reaganite last week and he agrees with me. In one sense, I hope they are right. But for those of us who want Hillary in the White House in 2012 an argument can be made that it is better he retains control of congress, because between 2010 and 2012 hard times will hit in terms of inflation etc. after the mid-terms, and if he still has control of Congress he will have no one besides himself to blame. In addition, he will lose the two things that matter most to his global brand: the his patina of hope and change, and his image as a uniter. If you believe what I do which is that this is not a tranisient love affair between him and big media but a permanent interest based coaltion between him and their parent companies, then they will be the last to react. During the luncheon described above I commended the gentleman for what he did to bring down the Soviet Union. It was not merely his vision–for which he gave others equal credit, but the executution which involved outmaneuvering opponents at the Pentagon and elsewhere brilliantly. He was slightly dismissive of my comment, and made a point that applies to Hillary, Obama and everyone else. To get anything done in Washington you have to know how to play the coalitions. He said the Obama people do not know how to do that and it shows. Recall that Hillary had the same concerns about him when she was a candidate. These coalitions are like nations in the sense that they have no permanent friends, only permanent interests.

    9. A Reality Check: a business as usual approach may not work. Here are the incontrovertible facts. First, he won the presidency by a landslide. The popular vote was 52.9 vs. 45.7. But the Electoral College vote was more severe 257 vs. 173. That is symptomatic of a superior ground game in key states. Second, he controls Congress with a veto proof majority in the Senate. And while there are 52 blue dogs in the House who could enable Republicans to block his legislation, he has ways of pressuring them into submission. Third, the mere fact that more people oppose Obama’s policies does not mean they will vote Republican. Fourth, he is an icon of the underclass and a global brand that overshadows everyone else. The brand is so powerful that people make an irrational distinction between liking him vs. not liking his policies. Fifth, Obama’s base is expanding as the age, ethnicity and economic metrics shift due to economic factors and immigration policy. Sixth, Obama has co-opted Big Media. He sends them 12 emails per day. They savage his opponents and are driving the narrative of Republican demise. Seventh, the Republican base feels isolated, disempowered, targeted by Obama, silenced within their own families, and worried that we will lose the American Way of life. They do not want to wait for Obama to fail. They want leadership from the congressional level of the party and talking points now.

  134. The bottom line for me is Obama is a flake and he is attempting to juggle a number of very hot potatoes. At some point, media spin becomes a laughing matter. You cannot keep a hot balloon aloft forever.

  135. SHV: I thought about your point over night and it is a good one. The reason I am inclined to focus on his coaltion as much as on his state of mind is because he giving these leftists the reins of power, and as he does so they will be in a position to impose their agenda on the country in incremental ways, so long as they do not conflict with his continuing campaign for reelection under the guise of governing. One of the areas to watch is his approach to eeo, which will reflect his known propensities to race bait and give aways to Hispanics. But it will affect other areas as well. As a Hillary supporter I have the highest regard for Hispanics, and I hope they understand that any alliance he proposes to them is strictly a marriage of convenience. I hope they do not make the mistake so many blacks have in permanently allying themselves with one party. They need to play both parties against eachother like other groups do. Otherwise they will be taken for granted.

  136. wbboei siad:

    First, he won the presidency by a landslide. The popular vote was 52.9 vs. 45.7. But the Electoral College vote was more severe 257 vs. 173.

    ===============

    I”m no good at numbers, but I’ve seen the ‘landslide’ opinion disputed. Some sober writer said 2008 only looked big compared to the close numbers in 2000 and 2004?

    He said iirc it was just a ‘healthy’ margin, comparable to Bill Clinton’s.

  137. Confloyd: left you a couple phone messages. That dog is smarter than a bot, and highter in the evolutionary scale.

  138. I”m no good at numbers, but I’ve seen the ‘landslide’ opinion disputed. Some sober writer said 2008 only looked big compared to the close numbers in 2000 and 2004?

    He said iirc it was just a ‘healthy’ margin, comparable to Bill Clinton’s.
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    That is what they told me in response as well.

  139. The problem i is they must have a competitive ground game in key states AND every time obama thugs step over the line put those bastards under the kleig lights.

  140. Our reps town hall is now being advertised on the local channels. That is probably publicity that he did not want. I did not see the limited to 18 people, so it will be interesting to see who shows up.

  141. wbboei, I am glad you enjoyed the dog video. That is one smart dog. We need to send that video to the WH line on healthcare. LOL!!!
    Sorry I missed your calls, I have been working on my dogs fence. My husbands American Bulldog can jump a 5′ fence and now we have new neighbors with a dog so we are again working on trying to keep the neighbors dogs safe. My american bulldog has arthritis in her hips so she can’t jump and wouldn’t anyway. His dog would get mine in trouble so we have to fix it.
    I have another video that I will try and send you, its real cute also. In this climate its good to have a laugh ever once in a while.

  142. The reason I am inclined to focus on his coaltion as much as on his state of mind is because he giving these leftists the reins of power,
    ************
    As a “leftist”, I see nothing in the Bush third term that has much of anything to do with a leftist agenda. Corporate responsibility? Nada..trillions of dollars rather than jail terms for crooks who stole peoples life savings, cover-up and continuation of war crimes, expansion of the Bush/Cheney surveillance police state, selling out American’s health care to the highest corporate bidder, expansion of the “Faith Based” program and placement of faith based commissars in policy positions…well you get the idea…to think this guy is liberal is a joke….and the wing-nuts who say that he is a socialist/communist are suffering from irreversible neuro-psychiatric impairment. If any “leftist” are in positions of power, they are not having much effect on domestic policy, IMO.

  143. wbboei Says:
    August 9th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    SHV: I thought about your point over night and it is a good one. The reason I am inclined to focus on his coaltion as much as on his state of mind is because he giving these leftists the reins of poweLeftist have the reins of power??? What on earth are you talking about? Larry Summers, Rham Emanuel, Tim Geithner, Barack Obama…these are the people with their hands on the “reins of power” and they ain’t leftist. This is becoming absurd. Please show me leftist policies in place under Obama. Single payer? NOPE. End of wars? NOPE. No corporate welfare? HELL NO. Reduction in military spending? NOPE. Serious environmental policy? NOPE.

    You can not just say these leftists hold the reins of power without proving your point.

  144. SHV is right. I’d love some left leaning policy. I think republican conservative policies have turned the 80% of us who make 13% of the income in this country into a nation of serfs! I find it outrageous that people here continue to argue right in the face of reason that Obama is some wide-eyed liberal. For feck sake he is to the right of bill clinton on every domestic issue! You want to say he’s a “leftist” and people need the corrupt, bankrupt, steal from the working people to give to the rich, republicans to check obama???, then god damn it prove it!

  145. As a moderate leftist myself, I somewhat agree with MJ and SHV. Where are any leftists actually getting any reins of power?

    Obama’s thing has always been to talk to appeal to leftists, but then change the fine print

  146. Obama’s thing has always been to talk to appeal to leftists, but then change the fine print
    **********
    Excellent analysis. Several examples of Obama saying “leftist” and changing the fine print. 1) Ledbetter (Fair Pay) he got a lot of “high fives” from the “left” for this. The reality is that he did nothing to get it passed and the law itself has no practical use for improving the wage disparity. Obama had the Senate leadership kill the companion legislation that had the “teeth” to improve the wage situation…he didn’t want strong Republican opposition to prevent the signing ceremony. Reversing the “Mexico City Policy” which he finally did but at the same time he had the Congressional leadership strip money for improving the health care of American women from pending legislation. Again, to prevent strong Republican objections. At the moment, I can’t think of another campaign promise that he even tried to keep..since the two above, he hasn’t even bothered to “fake” it.

  147. turndownobama Says:
    August 9th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    As a moderate leftist myself, I somewhat agree with MJ and SHV.
    ***********
    It’s “funny” how far the political spectrum has shifted to the right. Prior to “Ronnie”, opposing corporate theft, expecting the the government would try to prevent contaminated from reaching store shelves, opposing non-judicial wiretaps, indefinite incarceration and torture would not have been considered particularly radical or even “leftist”.

  148. Exactly, turndownobama. I always say Bill Clinton could make leaft leaning proposals sound conservative, while Obama makes conservative policies sound liberal. And, BC was President during a conservative era.

  149. She gave a brilliant interview to CNN today…and she didn’t need a teleprompter to do it!

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    US showed support for Iran protestors: Clinton
    (AFP) – 3 hours ago

    WASHINGTON — US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Sunday that the United States did a lot “behind the scenes” to show support for demonstrators contesting Iran’s disputed presidential election results.

    “We did not want to get between the legitimate protests and demonstrations of the Iranian people and the leadership,” Clinton said in an interview with CNN broadcast on Sunday.

    “And we knew that if we stepped in too soon, too hard… the leadership would try to use us to unify the country against the protestors.”

    “Now, behind the scenes, we were doing a lot,” Clinton said. “We were doing a lot to really empower the protestors without getting in the way. And we’re continuing to speak out and support the opposition.”

    Clinton was asked about the case of Maziar Bahari, an Iranian-Canadian journalist detained in Iran since June 21 on allegations he helped orchestrate protests against the election results that saw Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad returned to power.

    The top US diplomat said she was “just appalled at the treatment that Mr Bahari and others are receiving.”

    She described the trial Bahari faces as “a show trial,” saying the process is “a sign of weakness.”

    “It demonstrates, I think, better than any of us could ever say, that this Iranian leadership is afraid of their own people, and afraid of the truth and the facts coming out,” Clinton said.

    The secretary of state reiterated that the United States believes it would be “unacceptable” for Iran to obtain nuclear weapons.

    “If they believe that this would give them a more secure position, a greater capacity to influence events, to intimidate their neighbors, to expand the reach of their ideology, they were mistaken,” she said. “We do not intend to accept nuclear weapons by Iran.”

    “They need to think again, because they will render their position less secure, they will trigger an arms race in the region, and they will certainly put greater pressure on the United States to extend a defense umbrella in order to hem in and contain them,” Clinton warned.

    google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hcI2cEI2R_30663RxlsVetrBx_dg

  150. Clinton: Nukes won’t ensure Iran’s safety

    In interview with CNN, US secretary of state responds to Minister Meridor’s criticism that ‘defense umbrella’ her country intends to extend to region indicates her acceptance of a nuclear Iran. They misunderstood me, she says. She also emphasizes US ‘working from position of friendship’ with Israel

    WASHINGTON – The United States will not accept a nuclear Iran. This is the main message coming out of an interview US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton gave to CNN on Sunday.

    During the interview, Clinton responded to the criticism Intelligence and Atomic Energy Minister Dan Meridor leveled at her recently for a statement that her country intends to extend a “defense umbrella” to the Middle East, saying that such a move is tantamount to acquiescing to Iran’s nuclear aspirations.

    “I think they misunderstood what I was saying. I said, ‘defense umbrella,’ I didn’t specific what kind of defensive measures might be available to those in the region,” countered Clinton.

    “We do not intend to accept nuclear weapons by Iran. We think that is unacceptable,” the stateswoman explained. “But I clearly was sending a message to Iran and we’ve obviously explained that to our friends in Israel. But the message was to make clear to whoever is making decisions in Iran these days, particularly about something as important as their nuclear weapons potential.

    “If they believed that this would give them a more secure position, a greater capacity to influence events, to intimidate their neighbors, to expand the reach of their ideology, they were mistaken,” she continued.

    “But for the sake of argument, and for the sake of their calculus, if that is among their objectives, they need to think again, because they will render their position less secure, they will trigger an arms race in the region and they will certainly put greater pressure on the United States to extend a defense umbrella in order to hem in and contain them.”

    US commitment to Israel’s safety ‘non-negotiable’

    On talks between Israel and US special envoy to the Middle East George Mitchell on placing a moratorium on settlement building in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, Clinton said: “We’re in the midst of the very intense negotiations that Senator Mitchell is carrying out. And I think both Israel and the United States are working from a position of friendship, a durable partnership, a commitment by the United States to the security of Israel, which is absolutely imperative and non-negotiable.”

    “But there are steps we would like to see all of the parties take in order to maximize the chances for success of the negotiations to reach a comprehensive peace that results in a two-state solution. And there are areas where Senator Mitchell is hammering out the details with the Israelis, with the Palestinians, with Arab countries. And I’m actually cautiously optimistic that we will be able to tee-up negotiations.

    The secretary of state spoke of the importance of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Bar-Ilan speech, “where he accepted the two-state solution.”

    She also stressed that both Israel and the Palestinians were setting tough conditions, but that they would have to compromise. “You know, that’s politics, that’s negotiations. I mean, people are likely to end up in a place that makes neither of them happy. And then the rest of us can say, well, that’s probably a good outcome,” she said.

    “Now there is no guarantee. These are very, very difficult issues to resolve. But I think that starting with Prime Minister Netanyahu’s important speech where he accepted the two-state solution laid out,” said Clinton

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  151. Clinton: No illusions Iran will return to talks

    By STEVEN R. HURST (AP)

    WASHINGTON — Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton says the United States has no illusions that Iran will accept overtures to return to negotiations about its nuclear program and will not wait much longer for Tehran to respond.

    Both Clinton and national security adviser James Jones said in interviews aired Sunday that Washington has little choice but to deal with the government of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, regardless of U.S. feelings about charges he was re-elected in a fraudulent election and sympathy for the thousands who have protested the outcome.

    Many protesters were arrested or killed and those jailed are now standing trial. U.S. officials have called the court proceedings “show trials.”

    In April, the United States sent word to Iran that Washington still hoped to see Tehran return to talks with the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council and Germany about ending what is widely believed to be an attempt to build a nuclear weapon. Iran says its nuclear program is designed only for generating electricity.

    The U.S. hopes to use a variety of economic enticements to lure the Iranians away from the nuclear program, fearing it will create an arms race in the Middle East. Beyond that Ahmadinejad has repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel, which sees a nuclear-armed Tehran as an existential threat. Israel is believed to have plans laid out to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities, but the U.S. is urging patience to allow diplomacy to run its course.

    In the meantime, the Obama administration is working with the P-5 plus one, the five permanent U.N. security council members — U.S., Britain, Russia, China and France — and Germany on a new and tougher round of sanctions should the Iranians reject or ignore the U.S. overture.

    Clinton said the United States would re-evaluate its efforts to entice Iran back to the negotiating table in September. “We are under no illusions. We were under no illusions before their elections that we can get the kind of engagement we are seeking,” she said in an interview with CNN’s “GPS.” “The president has also said, look, we need to take stock of this in September. If there is a response, it needs to be on a fast track. We’re not going to keep the window open forever,” she said.

    Jones echoed Clinton’s assessment that Washington had little choice, at this point, except to deal with Ahmadinejad, who was sworn in to a second term last week. “We have to deal with the figures of authority that are in position,” Jones said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

    Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, joined in the chorus in turning up the heat of Iran, saying on CNN’s “State of the Union” that the September assessment loomed for Tehran and that Washington would then “consider appropriate next steps in light of the Iranians’ response or non-response.”

    Jones disclosed that the United States was officially told for the first time on Sunday by the Iranian government that it was holding three U.S. hikers who strayed into Iran from the Kurdish region of Iraq.

    U.S. and Kurdish officials say the Americans accidentally entered Iran across the poorly marked border on July 31.

    Reports from Iran have said Tehran was looking into whether the three were spying for the United States. But until Jones’ comment, there had not been any official Iranian government confirmation that the three were in custody.

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  152. Chamber of Commerce opposed to Obama’s plans

    By JIM KUHNHENN (AP)

    WASHINGTON — If President Barack Obama wants to take the measure of his opposition, he only has to glance across Lafayette Park from the White House. There, behind 10 massive Corinthian columns, is the headquarters of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce — a leading critic of the administration’s health care and banking overhaul plans.

    A fortress for the business community, the chamber has emerged as a multitasking, multimillion-dollar defender of the private sector against presidential initiatives. As lawmakers spend time at home during their August vacation hearing from constituents, the chamber is adding its own heat to the season.

    There’s a $2 million campaign against Obama’s proposals that would make the government a competitor in the health insurance market. It’s trying to make the case for insurers, which oppose a government-run insurance alternative but want to work with the White House to mandate coverage for all.

    The chamber also has become a pointed critic of a White House plan to create a consumer finance protection agency and is assembling finance sector trade groups to push for a delay in legislation. With 3 million members, the chamber is working with local and regional affiliates on letter-writing campaigns to lawmakers and plans to track their public appearances to make sure they hear the chamber’s point of view.

    The summer effort is just a start.

    The group also is readying an ambitious $100 million campaign to advocate for businesses and a free enterprise system, which chamber officials believe is under attack. The chamber is putting lawmakers on notice: the issues campaign will be timed to lead into the 2010 congressional elections. “You’ve got an administration pushing the federal government into a bigger and bigger footprint,” Bruce Josten, the chamber’s chief lobbyist, said in an interview. “CEOs start to get concerned when they see that. We felt we needed someone to step into this space.”

    Critics point out the chamber objects to government interference in the private sector even though it supported federal efforts to rescue the financial industry with hundreds of billions of dollars and to bail out struggling automakers. What’s more, the chamber is setting itself up as a foil to the administration on health care while insurers and the health industry seek to negotiate with the White House.

    As part of its health care effort, the chamber is running newspaper and online ads against a government-run insurance option that are targeted to moderate Democrats and Republicans in five states. On banking rules, it recently organized the financial industry to call for a delay in legislation that would set up a consumer protection agency. The chamber stands out for the bluntness of its criticism.

    A trade group representing drug manufacturers, for instance, is running an ad broadly supporting health care changes. In a reversal, the ad features a fictional couple, Harry and Louise, who appeared in ads by the insurance industry in 1993 opposed to President Bill Clinton’s health plan.

    The insurance industry opposes a government-run alternative to private insurers. But instead of criticizing, America’s Health Insurance Plans is running ads encouraging universal coverage and calling for “bipartisan reforms.” “We’ve been focusing on what we’re for,” said Robert Zirkelbach, the group’s spokesman.

    Wary of having the chamber identified as an uncompromising opponent of health care change, Josten caused a stir recently with a letter to the Senate Finance Committee urging action on a bipartisan proposal before the August recess. Republican leaders have demanded that the pace of deliberations slow down. But Josten said “the business community vitally needs better policy alternatives to be proposed by Congress.”

    Josten said he also wanted to “send a signal of what is passable.” What’s more, he said, if the committee reached a compromise now, the chamber’s policy team would have all of August to scrutinize it. “If it’s a terrible bill, it gives me a target,” he said.

    The health care issue has become prominent on airwaves. So far, the administration has a significant spending advantage, getting support from Organizing for America, which grew out of Obama’s presidential campaign and is now a subsidiary of the Democratic National Committee, and from labor and liberal allies.

    Evan Tracey, who tracks political advertising as president of the Campaign Media Analysis Group, said that as of the first week of August, the amount spent on ads supporting an Obama-styled plan totaled more than $22 million to more than $8 million against it.

    One of the leading spenders against Obama’s plan is Conservatives for Patients Rights, a group led and largely financed by Rick Scott, a former hospital executive. Scott was chief executive of Columbia/HCA, a health care company that pleaded guilty to overbilling charges. Tracey identified an additional $22 million in ads — many from the drug or insurance industries — that advocate changes in health care without specifying support for a particular proposal.

    The chamber’s efforts to limit the reach of Obama’s banking regulation plans is less visible, matching the issue’s lower profile with the public. But the chamber wasted no time taking on the role of overarching critic while the various sectors in the financial industry took issue with more specific aspects of Obama’s plans. The chamber has been especially critical of a proposed agency to regulate consumer financial products such as credit cards and bank loans. It also has objected to proposals that would require shareholders to vote on executive pay packages, even if the votes are nonbinding.

    “The chamber on this bill has drawn the line in the sand very early on,” said Tom Quaadman, who heads the chamber’s Center for Capital Markets Competitiveness. “We have made a decision that we are going to be involved in this fight, that we’re going to be involved in it in a very big way.”

    Heather Booth, the campaign director of a pro-regulation coalition of labor and consumer activists called Americans for Financial Reform, said the confrontation over a consumer agency is “being treated as a showdown” The organization has held events outside local chambers of commerce and is putting pressure on moderate and conservative Democrats.
    Opponents, Booth said, “are frightening businesses that otherwise would have an interest in reform.”

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  153. mj, SUV,

    I confess I have never followed politics that closely until this past year and while I’ve NEVER considered myself Republican or Conservative, always identifying more with the Dems, I knew after what I saw the DNC do in May that I could no longer support them so I officially switched my affiliation to Independent.

    But the more I learn about the differences between right and left, conservative and moderate, the more I realize I will never fit into one category.

    It’s sometimes hard to catch the nuances of your much more well informed perspectives but I try!

    BTW, wbboei, great writing today.

  154. Basil, if you find yourself between Obama and the Republicans you are either a moderate republican or a very conservative democrat. And, I can not imagine you would have approved of Hillary as president as she is decidedly to the left of Obama on every domestic issue.

  155. 1. first of all, I we want universal heath insurance like Hillary proposed.

    2. second. we do not want what Obama is proposing because it is not universal and it leaves the insurance companies in charge.

    3. third, Obamacare is not universal and if it passes it will pre empt universal coverage or forstall the issue for another decade/

    4, fourth, if we can make common cause with republicans to kill this bill lets do it. We have different reasons for than they do.

    5.

  156. Thanks, wbboei.

    I guess that’s what I get for trying to learn something. 👿

    BTW, have you heard about this and are the taxpayers bankrolling it?

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  157. mj,

    I don’t know if your labels are right but I do know I can never again support any political group that treated HRC with such undeserved contempt.

    Period.

    And that include BO. And I don’t give a flying fig what he SAYS he stands for. Words. Just words.

  158. I confess I have never followed politics that closely until this past year and while I’ve NEVER considered myself Republican or Conservative, always identifying more with the Dems,
    *********
    People seem to apply political labels to suit their own purposes. I look at political philosophy as to where the balance is placed for the “value” of the individual vs the “corporation” and the State. As an example, the Health Care debate. Since the New Deal, the fundamental division always begins with the question: “Is health care a right or a privilege?” That was argued quite openly during the debate over Medicare and it remains the fundamental question, even if it is more “hidden” now. If you believe that Health Care is a privilege, then our current model based on “insurance” makes perfect sense. The Insurance system basically places a value on “risk” if you are likely to need the insurance, it cost more and if you really need it, you can’t get it. the Insurance companies aren’t in the health care business, they are in the money making business; which is their duty for their stock-holders.

    If you think that Americans have a right to Health Care, then there has to be a different model. The model isn’t based on political philosophy but purely on economics. If everyone is to be “covered”, there isn’t enough money in the “system” to pay for it, if 30-35% goes to corporations to “run” the system. In addition, in the insurance model, cost controls (rationing) is based on the corporate bottom line and not on medical need or usefulness. That is the bottom line, everything else is a distraction, not that the details aren’t important. The reason that every other industrialized country has some form of “single-payer” is based on the decision that their citizens have a right to health care and the simple economics to pay for that.

  159. wbboei,
    Let me do my uninformed best to add to your list
    5 – I don’t believe a word coming out of BO’s mouth and I don’t trust him or his henchmen as far as I can throw them.
    6 – He admits he hasn’t read the frigging bill. The same with Congress.
    7 – With all the other spending from the 787 billion stimulus package to
    the 450+ billion budget to the cap ‘n trade bill the country can’t afford his obscenely priced proposal.
    8 – I don’t want my money going to pay for people not in the country legally.
    9- Congress doesn’t have this health bill and won’t agree to sign up for it. Why not?

    the as

  160. 4, fourth, if we can make common cause with republicans to kill this bill lets do it. We have different reasons for than they do.
    *************
    I wouldn’t make common cause with them but if it so happens to work that this legislation is killed, so much the better. The politics are interesting in that the Republicans and wing-nuts are trying to kill Obama’s “socialized” medicine and Obama is cutting deals that will give the “Health Industry” corporations greater control and profits. I guess that the Republicans are pi**ed that the Dems are now receiving the majority of the bribe money.

  161. SHV,
    Thanks for the explanation. With that in mind, I think that if everyone in the US were to be covered equally then all would have to contribute equally either in terms of sweat equity or taxes.

    I don’t think it’s fair for Americans to pay for non-citizens nor do I think it’s right for people who HAVE contributed financially to the system for decades to suddenly have the rug pulled out from under their feet, as parts of the current proposal suggests, and have an inferior quality of care so that others, who may not have contributed in any way, can benefit. I also think there are certain things that should be covered for everyone, such as flu shots, vaccines, etc., no matter what your legal status. So you see, I’m all over the map with my stance on helath care.

  162. ayers is radical left. sharpton is radical left. gates is radical left. power is radical left. some of the people promoted to second and third tier positions are radical left. ACORN is radical left. SEIU is radical left.the yale professor who advises obama on health care is radical left. Some of those in educ are radical left.

    There are three coalitions behind obama– chicago, the radical left, and big business tied to the new economy. I was one of the first to say this was all a big business plot and to reject the notion that the radical left was a player. I thought it was a cheap play by republicans to the base intended to obscure the class struggle aspect of this. I have since concluded it was too simplistic.

  163. Well I’m DEFINITELY not radical left!

    hehehehehe.

    But I don’t get this sentence.
    ‘I thought it was a cheap play by republicans to the base intended to obscure the class struggle aspect of this.’

  164. He admits he hasn’t read the frigging bill. The same with Congress.
    *********
    I don’t think that there is either a House or Senate Bill yet. I read through the early HR bill that is the one available and it it incomprehensible. The Senate was still cutting deals behind closed doors when the recess went into effect. The bottom line is that if anything gets out of the Congress, it will reflect whatever is able to get 60 Senate votes and that will not be good for either the American people or the American economy. If the Dem. leadership does try to go the 51 vote route, the resulting legislation will be pure corporate welfare. Anything to do with Insurance regulation, preventive medical care, etc. will be stripped out.

  165. Who’s laughing now. Palin more popular than Obama in Virginia.

    President Barack Obama is throwing his weight around Virginia, but it may not be helping. Obama campaigned for Democrat gubernatorial candidate Creigh Deeds last week in McLean.

    When asked if Obama’s campaigning for Deeds for governor would help or hurt, only 14 percent of likely voters said it would make them more likely to vote for Deeds. Thirty-seven percent said it would make them less likely, a negative swing of 23 percent. Forty-nine percent were unsure.

    Other the other hand, when asked if former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin campaigning for Republican Bob McDonnell would help or hurt, 26 percent said it would make them more likely to vote for McDonnell and 35 percent said it would make them less likely. This is a negative swing of 9 percent, which is considerably less than Obama’s.

    Palin has not yet visited the Old Dominion on behalf of McDonnell, who currently leads Deeds 51-37, according to another PPP poll.

  166. I wouldn’t make common cause with them but if it so happens to work that this legislation is killed, so much the better.
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    But it is what coalitions do. They are ad hoc de facto alliances that come and go. War makes strange bedfellows. And very often opposites do conspire to a common end. The word we used for it was “sappor sessions” and they occurred under very covert circumstances.

  167. With that in mind, I think that if everyone in the US were to be covered equally then all would have to contribute equally either in terms of sweat equity or taxes.
    ***********
    The politics of the issue is all of the other stuff that you mention…those are very secondary issues that are used to “push hot buttons” to make average people vote against their own interest. It equivalent to Ronnie using the image of the “welfare mother with five kids, driving a new Cadillac. Was there such a person in the US, probably but that “button” was used to make people support massive tax cuts for the upper 1% and to strip government regulation from the Banks, Investment co, food inspection, etc. Lee Atwater and Karl Rove were brilliant in persuading middle income Americans to totally screw themselves and their families.

  168. I think that if everyone in the US were to be covered equally then all would have to contribute equally either in terms of sweat equity or taxes.
    ***********
    I don’t believe that everyone has to be treated equally. People who make more money should pay more into the system. Also people who want to buy insurance to supplement their “Medicare for All” policy, fine. That is what is done now.

  169. What I see in Hillary is not a leftist but someone who will protect the American People against the predations of big business. We saw this in her speech about re-examining treaties to make sure they were good for american workers, her skeptisim about hedge fund investment in the united states, her determination to protect social security, her commitment to universal health care, her misgivings about nuclear power. I do not think there is anything left or right about any of that. I just think it is in the interests of the people of this country.

  170. I don’t believe that everyone has to be treated equally. People who make more money should pay more into the system. Also people who want to buy insurance to supplement their “Medicare for All” policy, fine. That is what is done now.
    ——————————————–
    Yes, that is the formula. Provided the health care for all is still quality health care.

  171. Yeah, SHV, I get your point.

    But I’ve also experience both sides of the health care dilemma.

    When I lived in NYC and was a poor performing musician I couldn’t afford health care. I was also younger so I didn’t have as many issues. But I appreciate there was at least a bare bones facility that would treat me, when I came down with asthma, for example, or had sinus infections, that didn’t charge me an arm and a leg and for which I was very grateful.
    After putting myself through college and getting an MA and near PhD in music I realized it was time to take a real job with real benefits and I subsequently paid into employer health care, private health care, social security and medicare for 2 decades.

    Now, I don’t begrudge people getting emergency care, or children getting care, or public health issues like flu clinics and preventive care being issued.

    But having worked in neighborhoods with people who were ripping the system off in every way you can imagine, I know that is also a reality and not entirely fabricated as you claim Repuyubs have done.

    They may exaggerate, as do the Dims, but there is a grain of truth in what they say.

    Not that I agree with scare tactics but let’s face it, that’s exactly what BO has done his entire career, especially since becoming POTUS.

    First it was an emergency to pass the Stimulus bill. Then it was an emergency to pass the budget, the cap ‘n trade, and now the health bill.

    As moononpluto so eloquently said upthread, he’s never seen healthcare tied to economic doom and gloom the way BO portrays the siituation.

    And as I’ve said, BO is a liar, a fraud, and so is his party, so why would I be stupid enough to believe him about anything, including health care reform which he’s now referring to as health insurance reform.

    The point is, I DON’T TRUST HIM! And that’s not politics. That’s a from-the-gut human reaction.

  172. ‘I don’t believe that everyone has to be treated equally. People who make more money should pay more into the system.’

    Why?

  173. I watched Howard Dean on TV this am debating healthcare with Newt. Despite the fact that I am totally discusted with Dean and blame him for my being forced out of the Dem party…even though I campaigned for him when he ran for president, He spoke clearly and forcefully about a public option.

    It is sad and pathetic to watch him prop up Obama when Dean believes strongly in a single payer system. However, it was startling to hear how clearly and effectively he spoke on the subject. O’s ineptitude and lack of leadership are so obvious. That is why this is not going to get done or will be done poorly. The real impediment to a public option is Obama. Hard to understand why more knowledgable and effective democrats are not making the case. Hard to understand hy Dean ever backed Obama.

  174. But having worked in neighborhoods with people who were ripping the system off in every way you can imagine, I know that is also a reality and not entirely fabricated as you claim Repuyubs have done.
    ************
    I agree..I have worked in big city Hospitals and I have a friend who teaches in an “inner city” school system. The vast majority of the parent(s) are gaming the welfare system and don’t give a sh*t about their kids. There is also a fair amount of fraud and mis-allocation of resources in Health Care. My point is that yes, there is a lot of stuff that p*sses me off, but as a percentage of the total picture it shouldn’t affect doing what is right. All of that crap that does exist is magnified to benefit the top 0.5% of the population. It’s like a person making $10 per hour voting for Bush in the 2000 election because he promised tax cuts for the upper income bracket.

  175. Carol,

    I agree.
    ‘The real impediment to a public option is Obama.’

    And it doesn’t help when he says stuff like “I want them to stop talking and get out of the way so I can clean up their mess,” or Pooplosi calls protesters, Nazis, or the DNC films commercials calling those against BO’s plans fringe radical lunatics.

  176. ‘All of that crap that does exist is magnified to benefit the top 0.5% of the population.’

    I’m interested in learning more about this. Got any reading referrals?

  177. My father is a retired surgeon. One of the things that Dean said was that as a practising physician, Medicare did not tell him what to do, but Docors are constantly fighting with insurance companies who are denying procedures and rationing care. I used to work in my father’s office and I know that this is true. Medicare is basically a PPO. People choose their doctors and hospitals. I pay a fortune for insurance and don’t have that luxury.

    BTW, I have NY Empire blue cross. Right now all of our local hospitals have no contract with them and they are at an impasse. Empire posted huge profits last year. The hospital loses money as they are not adequately reimburded. The hospitals lost $ last year and struggle to survive.

    HOW can most Americans be happy with their insurers? Do they even know how underinsured they are if they get the wrong disease?

  178. I understand durbin is open to eliminating the public option.
    **********
    The Public Option has been dead for quite awhile. The concept of the Public Option was to have open enrollment in a “govt” insurance company, which would be non-profit, have low overhead cost and could negotiate payments. That would be a huge advantage to both the individual and to business. Basically business could dump all health care responsibility into the Public Option for much less than they were paying. It would also give the individual a lot of options in dealing will Insurance companies. (And the Billion Dollar CEO comp. pkgs. were also at risk.) It was estimated that a Public option would enroll up to 130 million people. The Insurance Industry killed it by having Congress build “fire walls” to protect the Insurance companies. In it’s final form, the Public Option would have enrolled less than 10 million people and had to compete with the Insurance companies using Insurance Company rules. Right before the “break” there allegedly was a deal cut that eliminated the public option entirely and substituted the “Insurance Exchange”. The concept of the insurance exchange was tried in California and it is an economic disaster. It ended up that all of the “high risk” patients were dumped into the exchange and were supplemented with tax dollars while the Insurance Company profits went up.

  179. Dean said this morning that the public option is NOT eliminated and is still a part of the most important committee’s plan.

  180. Do they even know how underinsured they are if they get the wrong disease?

    Yes, Carol, I found out about that the hard way but fortunately i am very stubborn and I am getting the treatment I need.

    I agree something has to be done about healthcare but IMHO BO is not the person to do it. As I said, I cannot support him on anything this massive, even if I did trust him, after seeing the disaster he’s made out of the stimulus package, the auto takeover and his other initiatives.THER INITIATVIESBut

  181. The No. 2 Senate Democrat (dick durbin) said Sunday that he’s “open” to health care reform that doesn’t include a government-run “public option,” the latest indication that the Democrats’ package could be scaled back as Senate negotiators try to hammer out a bipartisan compromise and constituents flood town halls to express discontent with the current legislation.

    The so-called public option is a hot topic of debate at town hall meetings across the country. Supporters say it’s needed to keep private insurance companies in check and extend affordable coverage to all. Critics warn that the government should not have so much control over health care and that a public option could eventually eliminate private insurance.

    The Senate Finance Committee, the last of five committees to consider health care legislation, is trying to hammer out a bipartisan compromise by mid-September — such a compromise might leave the public option behind.

    Asked whether Democrats could support such a bill, Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin said he’s personally willing to consider it.

    “It doesn’t have to be a perfect bill,” the Illinois Democrat said. “I support a public option, but, yes, I am open.”

    He said that assuming the Senate passes a bill, there will be another opportunity to revise it in the conference committee, where the House and Senate would try to smooth out the differences between their bills.

    “So we’ll see how this ends, but I don’t want the process to be filibustered to failure, which unfortunately, many senators are trying to do. I want to make sure that we do something positive for the American people,” Durbin said.

    Analysts say that controversial elements like the public option may well be in jeopardy as members of the public voice their discontent with that and other issues at town hall meetings, and the timeline for negotiations grows longer.

    Stripping the public option, though, could create problems on the other side of the aisle. It’s unclear whether more liberal Democrats would support a bill that doesn’t contain it.

    Top Democrats like Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., have said the public option is vital.

    Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell told “FOX News Sunday” that the health care plan as advanced by the Democrats is in “serious trouble.”

    “Americans are very skeptical about putting the government in charge of all of American health care. They’re also skeptical as to whether it will be paid for,” he said. “And even if they become convinced that it’s paid for, then you have to look at how it’s being paid for.”

    But McConnell said that even if negotiators put forward a system of nonprofit cooperatives instead of a public plan — something President Obama reportedly is open to — he still wouldn’t support it.

    “It sounds a lot like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to me,” McConnell said. “No, that’s not acceptable.”

    Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said a “co-op” could be a “government takeover” by another name, adding that he’d have to see the details.

    He said he wants to at least see the public option “off the table” before moving forward.

    McConnell, though, rejected charges that Republican leaders don’t want any deal and are only interested in stonewalling.

    “We’d like to make a deal, but we’d like to make the right kind of deal. I mean, this is not about embarrassing anybody politically. This is about getting it right,” he said.

    Durbin suggested he wouldn’t hold out too long for Republicans to come to the table.

    “If it reaches the point where we cannot reach a bipartisan agreement, I don’t want to see health care reform fail. We only get a chance once in a political lifetime to do something,” he said.

    Durbin and Cornyn spoke on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

    Click here for more FOXNews.com coverage on health care reform

  182. Health Care Reform=Health Care Insurance Reform

    What a disaster in the making. Too much power is being given to the insurance and drug companies.

  183. This is disgusting from the assholes in the White House:

    Indeed, from the whole tawdry affair only one clear winner has emerged – an exuberant Bill Clinton – even if, according to an insider, ‘the joke in the White House was that the girls were safer in North Korea than on the plane going home with Bill’.
    ————————————-
    Sounds like something bill burton would say. He is that kind of smart ass.

  184. # wbboei Says:
    August 9th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    mj what has gotten into you?

    What has gotten into me is I can not even recognize the Democrats anymore precisely because they are not liberal. I don’t think it helps further democratic principles in this country to give credence to the rightwing, who really never do anything to help raise the little guy in this country.

  185. Admin:

    Here is another Obama Town Hall doubletalkin youtube answering a question about the elderly (over 100)

    If you can, please embed.

    youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo&feature=player_embedded

  186. basil, you seem to be arguing SHV and I endorse Obama’s health care plan. If you read our posts, you’ll see we don’t. We both reject the market-based, romney-like health care system Obama is proposing.

    When SHV says yes, some people will get away with something they shouldn’t, but meantime, the top 1% will get away with a whole lot more, what she is saying is they are looting us for our health. Look, the top 1% in this country makes 37% of the income, the bottom 80% makes 13%. Top 1 percenters include the insurance execs who are sucking us dry all so we can all feel very noble saying we don’t want a single payer system because it could be gamed. We are the ones already being gamed. France has basically medicare-for-all, with supplemental insurance. The basic coverage is paid by a .69% FICA tax with no cap. Health care outcomes are excellent in France(unlike here) and they pay half per capita then we do. This is costing you more money, as well as the rest of us. Also in France the ciker you get the more coverage. If you are terminally ill you get 100% coverage and they have to try even experimental procders if you want them to. It’s very humane.

  187. Also, do you think you pay as much for the police, the fire department, public education than the rich? You do not. That’s appropriate. Adam Smith understood progressive taxation is essential to capitalism. look, let’s say the rich paid exactly the percent of income you do for say housing. You pay say 30%. They pay 30%. They are going to end up with a whole lot more expendible income than you. More than they will ever spend(I’m referring to the top 1% here). Whereas every percentage of income you spend surviving(home, health, food, etc.) leaves you less money(in dollars terms) for spending. That actually hurts the economy.

  188. hwc Says:
    August 9th, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    pitiful comments like that coming from the WH reflect more on them than it does on the Clintons.

    They’re all, including the wannabe First Lady, an embarrassment to the Office of the US Presidency.

    School yard bullies, jealous to the point of their heads exploding. The more they show the public who they really are, the easier for us to dump the NOT ready for Prime Time Chicago mob (including Congress)

  189. Dear Mr. President, I’d Like to Report a Fishy Drug Deal (Reprint)

    Dear Mr. President:

    I read a post on the Whitehouse blog called “Facts Are Stubborn Things” that said:

    Scary chain emails and videos are starting to percolate on the internet, breathlessly claiming, for example, to “uncover” the truth about the President’s health insurance reform positions.

    And that:

    There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there… These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.

    I understand your concern about misinformation distorting the healthcare debate. Healthcare is too important to let special interests use fears and smears to sway citizenry. And I agree that only through truth and transparency can we reach decisions that are in the best interest of the American people.

    Remember back in June, when you proclaimed a “major step forward” in the comprehensive reform of health care by announcing that the pharmaceutical industry had agreed to cut the cost of prescription drugs for seniors through Medicare?

    From CBS News:

    In the deal, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) has agreed to reduce its draw of revenues by $80 billion over 10 years by discounting the cost of medicines in Medicare’s Part D prescription drug program for some seniors by as much as 50 percent. The discount would go to seniors who fall into the “doughnut hole” — a gap in Medicare Part D coverage. Currently, once seniors have received $2,700 worth of drugs, they are left to pay the full cost of their medication until that cost reaches $6,100.

    “This gap in coverage has been placing a crushing burden on many older Americans,” Mr. Obama said. The agreement, he said, will make health care “more affordable for millions of seniors and restore a measure of fairness to Medicare Part D.”

    The agreement with PhRMA was negotiated with the White House and Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.), who is leading health care reform as chair of the Senate Finance Committee. Baucus stood by the president on Monday as he praised the agreement, as did Sen. Chris Dodd, who is leading health care deliberations in the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee and Barry Rand, head of the senior citizens’ advocacy group, AARP.

    The president pointed out that the pharmaceutical industry stands to benefit from the millions of more customers it could receive as a result of reform. Therefore, he said, “it’s only fair” that pharmaceutical companies do their part to reduce costs.

    Since drugs represent about 10 percent of the U.S. healthcare budget and you yourself have warned many times that the U.S. health care system was a huge drain on the Treasury and threatens economic growth, I was a bit disappointed to learn that this PhRMA deal did not provide for the federal government to use its weight to negotiate down drug prices or facilitate the importation of cheaper drugs from Canada.

    Don’t get me wrong, it gladdened my heart to learn Medicare “doughnut hole” seniors would be helped by your efforts. But I, and many other Americans, had really hoped to hear you come out with a deal that would help all Americans. After all, it is not just the seniors being hurt by the extraordinarily high drug prices in the U.S. And both importation and negotiation were a part of your healthcare campaign promise (h/t janicen):

    Obama will allow Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe and prices are lower outside the U.S.

    Obama will repeal the ban on direct negotiation with drug companies and use the resulting savings, which could be as high as $30 billion [a year], to further invest in improving health care coverage and quality.

    Which made it even more disappointing to learn that:

    Analysts said while the deal would crimp profits for the companies, the $80 billion in discounts they were offering was less than initially feared. The government had opened negotiations asking for $130 billion.

    So okay, as a first step in the overall march to healthcare reform in general and on prescription drugs in particular this big PhRMA deal included a few too many stubbed toes and skinned knees to be a boot-stomping, butt-kicking success. But since the real process of overhauling and reforming healthcare was yet to come, I still had hope.

    Then, just the other day, I read in the New York Times that White House Affirms Deal on Drug Cost

    Pressed by industry lobbyists, White House officials on Wednesday assured drug makers that the administration stood by a behind-the-scenes deal to block any Congressional effort to extract cost savings from them beyond an agreed-upon $80 billion.

    …the White House explicitly acknowledge for the first time that it had committed to protect drug makers from bearing further costs in the overhaul. The Obama administration had never spelled out the details of the agreement.…

    A deputy White House chief of staff, Jim Messina, confirmed Mr. Tauzin’s account of the deal in an e-mail message on Wednesday night.…

    Mr. Tauzin said the White House had tracked the negotiations throughout, assenting to decisions to move away from ideas like the government negotiation of prices or the importation of cheaper drugs from Canada. The $80 billion in savings would be over a 10-year period. “80 billion is the max, no more or less,” he said. “Adding other stuff changes the deal.”

    After reaching an agreement with Mr. Baucus, Mr. Tauzin said, he met twice at the White House with Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff; Mr. Messina, his deputy; and Nancy-Ann DeParle, the aide overseeing the health care overhaul, to confirm the administration’s support for the terms.

    “They blessed the deal,” Mr. Tauzin said.

    Immediately upon reading this, I thought, it can’t be true. The President wouldn’t make a deal for just the seniors and only for a miserly $80 billion over 10 years, and leave the rest of us Americans to pick up the bill of wildly escalating drug costs. So I madly searched the Internet to prove this was false, but every source was saying the same thing. You approved the deal.

    Then it dawned on me. This big PhRMA drug deal is fishy. Really fishy. The fishy confirmation email from deputy White House chief of staff, Jim Messina. That fishy PhRMA guy, Mr. Tauzin switches sides from drug industry overseer to lobbyist (h/t bayareavoter). The fishy contributions of nearly $1 million from healthcare and PhRMA (h/t elise) to Senator Baucus’ campaign committee. And fishy is exactly what the Whitehouse blog warned about.

    So I’m following your instructions Mr. President. I’m reporting this fishy drug deal to flag@whitehouse.gov. I know you’ll get to the bottom of this and clear up all the rumors and misinformation so the American people can understand simply and clearly what truly is in (and not in) your drug deal with PhRMA.

    Thank you Mr. President.

    Sincerely,

    A Fellow Concerned Citizen for Truth and Transparency

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    Comment by Arabella Trefoil | 2009-08-09 16:18:16

    Sorry to be a Johnnie One Note, but why did they use the word “fishy”? We know that Obama and his minions never, ever use a word without thinking carefully about hidden meanings.

    Fishy? To me “fishy” suggests “smelly.”

    Other associations:

    “A fish rots from the head down.” Implication: the protests are astroturf, not genuine. They are organized from some kind of headquarters, because obviously ordinary citizens are incapable of attending meetings with law-makers to express their opinons.

    Fishy/smelly: derogatory commeny about a woman’s genitals. Is it possible Mr. Obama, that after all this time you are still jealous of Hillary? Do you still blame Hillary for your own failures? Or perhaps you just don’t like or repect women who “periodically” become unreasonable.

    Fish: “Mackeral snapper” derogatory term for Roman Catholic because they used to eat fish on Friday. This looks like, and smells like a standard Obama ploy – divide the opposition. When liberals think of Right To Life extremists, they often think of Catholics. But not every Catholic is a RTL’er. In fact, many Catholics don’t approve of the death penalty or euthanasia.

    Fish: Symbol for Christianity. See above about Catholics. How evil it would be for Obama to try to paint people who have strong ethical beliefs about the value of life as, well crazy. Here is where we enter very dangerous territory indeed.

    Do you think that elderly people deserve health care even if they have a terminal disease? How “fishy” of you. You must be a religious lunatic, and therefor really uncool. Do you believe malformed neonates should be left to die in closets? How sentimental. You nust be one of those low lives who put Christian fish symbols on their car. Do you think we can support people in this society who are old, insane, weak, defective, retarded, or just plain old inconvenient? How un-with-it you are.

    The fishy people (as described above) just don’t get it. We have to ration health care to make room for the young and productive. How can we build a new society with all these smelly, fishy non-koolade drinkers dragging us down.

    Once again, I urge you to read “The Fixed Period” by Anthony Trollope.
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    Comment by JayD | 2009-08-09 17:36:13

    How about the old adage: “House guests are like fish; they stink after three days.” Which is probably true here, too.
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    Comment by Arabella Trefoil | 2009-08-09 18:12:58

    I forgot about that saying. I think it applies more to obots than the rest of us. Remember how they loved their little house parties? And during the election they loved being bussed out of their home states to crash at other Obots’ homes so that they could vote for, I mean work for Obama.

    Obots stink, and it doesn’t even take three days to smell them.
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    Comment by Confused American | 2009-08-09 16:27:45

    Should I report the Sunday Parade Magazine for its article with O’Reilly.(warning you might want a basin handy if you cannot tolerate Obama overload).

    http://www.parade.com/news/2009/08/09-what-obama-can-teach-americas-kids.html
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    Comment by HARP | 2009-08-09 17:25:27

    Dear White House,

    I find it very “fishy” that the MSM are no longer showing that video of the young AA getting assaulted by SEIU members. Could it be that fish face himself ordered the media to axe the story.

    While I have your attention, I would point out to all you ignorant media types. Part of the reason these ‘mobs’ are so angry is because you didn`t do your jobs last year, for if you had, we would not be stuck with another joker.
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    Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-08-09 17:28:05

    LMAO. Fish-face.

    Hahahahaha.
    Reply to this comment

    Comment by olivia1998 | 2009-08-09 17:30:35

    I couldn’t have said it better Harp. The media is far worse then the government. It’s their job to expose things like this health care bill. You can take the money to the bank they haven’t read either.
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    Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-08-09 17:33:26

    Indeed. The media has been asleep at the switch for at least 20 years. They wouldn’t leave the Clintons alone but gave McFlightsuit and Obumble license to ruin this country. For that they should be roundly condemned.
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    Comment by HARP | 2009-08-09 17:34:13

    PLEASE,PLEASE make this go viral.

    Video: C-SPAN caller blasts media;

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/09/video-c-span-caller-blasts-media/
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    Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-08-09 17:40:28

    That caller was spot on. She said it all and did it on the air. Kudos to her and thanks for the link, HARP.
    Reply to this comment

    Comment by oowawa | 2009-08-09 17:42:34

    Great link, HARP. She certainly hits all the main points.
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    Comment by Arabella Trefoil | 2009-08-09 17:45:29

    Oh, this is excellent! Thanks a lot for sharing it.

    More and more people I know are calling the newspapers and the tv news “full of lies.”

    Or even “All lies. How can they lie like that? I will never trust them again.”
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    Comment by HARP | 2009-08-09 17:54:29

    Want to see where your tax dollars are going.

    http://www.redstate.com/absentee/files/2009/08/reform-for-hire1.jpg
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    Comment by HARP | 2009-08-09 18:01:33

    Supporters of President Obama formerly signed up as members of “Obama for America” received an email today from Mitch Stewart, the director of the group’s current incarnation, Organizing for America, to show up at town halls and congressional offices as a counter to the protestors against the president’s health care reform push.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/08/painting-protestors-as-partisan-mobs-with-lies-about-health-reform-democrats-rally-their-own-town-hall-activists.html
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    Comment by Arabella Trefoil | 2009-08-09 18:08:36

    I hope they’re all enjoying the last month of summer vacation. If I could buy all those little text-messaging Obots tequila shots I would do it.

    Rest up, Obots. Don’t stress over these old people showing up at meetings.
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    Comment by Katmoon | 2009-08-09 18:26:58

    They have been working Craigslist for a couple of months for activists for the meetings. I posted some samples on “Are your Representatives Chickening out….
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    Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-08-09 18:11:52

    Oh marvelous. Let’s train MORE community organizers to organize communities to do nothing for themselves. Thanks a lot, Obumble.
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    Comment by Arabella Trefoil | 2009-08-09 18:16:41

    I’m not so sure Obama will get many volunteers. If he pays people, he’ll find some workers.

    But “folks” are wise to his hired disruptors now. Also, unemployed workers are a lot less susceptable to Obot pressure than intellectuals.
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    Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-08-09 18:26:01

    I suppose I’m more flabbergasted by the process itself rather than whether someone would actually volunteer. It is such patent crap. The brochure reads like a fun-travel-adventure and other assorted fabrications.
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    Comment by Arabella Trefoil | 2009-08-09 18:32:49

    The people who have done it already are all “been there, done that” or else they found that it was not as much fun as they expected.

    I mean Obama is elected, and we already had the party and everything, right?

    Kids that age have short attention spans and are always looking for the next new thing.

    Plus, the Obama love is fading fast as some of the college-aged folks are facing the facts that 1) mommy and daddy don’t have a lot of money any more and 2) there aren’t a lot of jobs out there.

    I’m back in school right now and I see this.
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    Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-08-09 18:38:10

    I gather from what you say that the kids perhaps should have listened a little more carefully to their parents (unless, of course, their parents were fooled, too). That being said, I am hoping the wheels fall off the hopey-changey express and soon. No time like the present to expose That One as a fraud.
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    Comment by Arabella Trefoil | 2009-08-09 19:14:18

    The wheels are already falling off. Mommy and Daddy lost a shit load of money in the September crash – their investments are worth less, and so are their homes. Mommy and Daddy have to put off retirement. Mommy and Daddy have to downsize – move from a house to a condo. Mommy and or Daddy have lost their jobs. Kids are getting a rude awakening. No more hot pockets, no more free lodging, and ahem, maybe no more college for some. I’m seeing this happen, believe me.

    Like the song says:

    Daddy don’t drive in the El Dorado no more
    He don’t get tight ev’ry night
    Pass out on the barroom floor.
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    Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2009-08-09 18:31:53

    Fishy, I thought that the sign in the clinic door said “Gone Fishin”, so I reported it.

    So I went back to the fish store.

    Fishy, I thought that the bait they were selling looked like a 1000 page Healthcare bill, so I reported it.

    Fishy, I thought,The salmon boats were all at dockside.

    How much “fishyness” does it take outsource our government?
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    Comment by Arabella Trefoil | 2009-08-09 19:18:21

    Teakwood (or anybody else)

    I just lost the link to the pdf of the legislation.
    Anybody have it? Thanks!
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    Comment by Katmoon | 2009-08-09 19:22:57

    Here you go

    http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf
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    Comment by Arabella Trefoil | 2009-08-09 19:26:59

    Thank YOU!
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    Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2009-08-09 18:33:09

    Fishy happens.
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  190. If you had any doubts about what a rotten person Obama is just think about what the preceding article says. In essence, he made a campaign promise to the American People to press for cheaper drugs and government of drug prices, but then when he became president he secretly reneged on that deal and when people protest against what he had done he tells his thugs to hit them back twice as hard and then of course there is violence. The common link connecting Obama to the renege and the violence are Messina his deputy chief of staff.

  191. I thought Hannity was going to have a huge news night, examining Obama like never before. There was NOTHING on the program, either they are trying to get ratings or someone put the Word on him.

    As far as BC goes and the smut that continues to come from the WH, well I guess whatever it takes to make their imposter feel better about the horrible job he is doing is OK. I am sure BC knows that they are trying to prop up the usurper at all costs. The important thing is they got the girls home. It did not sound like the girls had any problem with the oversexed Bill Clinton, they sounded genuinely happy to see him. People forget that Bill Clinton is a gentleman. There’s not one of them up in Washington that has not done the very same thing. THey all love to bring out the speck in the neighbors eye when they have a whole timber in theres. Newt certainly had a timber in his eye while he was exposing BC’s speck, didn’t he.

  192. I’m in favor of single payer govt INSURANCE (i.e. Medicare for all), but it has to be done right. And it CAN be done right, without too much intrusiveness, and yes, it can be paid for fairly easily. If I could pay an extra 2 or 3% in taxes, but in return I have insurance, and so does everyone else? Heck, that would be cheaper for me! The biggest problem with looming Medicare deficits is that that fund gets ROBBED anytime congress wants to spend money on the sly without doing a spending bill. Private insurance can continue all they want under single-payer, if people want more “gold-plated” coverage, no need to outlaw it.

    BUT the problem is TRUST, and the devil is in the details. Our govt is so full of crooks and liars, on both sides of the aisle, that people are unwilling to put crafting that sort of legislation into their hands. And no, I do not blame the People one bit for feeling that way. Even if Obama was proposing single payer (which I am for), I’d have to look at that bill six ways from Sunday to see how we were being screwed over -because I’m sure it would be in there. So I might not support it, even though I agree in theory. As for the current healthcare plans, they are a big crock of two-faced legalese crap, designed to provide Big Insurance and Big Pharma a steady supply of sheep to fleece.

  193. Thanks for that video Mrs. Smith. We had been looking for it to add to today’s article. We’ll post the new article right after midnight instead of today.

  194. confloyd

    I think it was just a come on to improve his ratings. We had that a lot during the primaries.

    As far as throwing stone, I will never forget the oogolling by those women on the airplane. Where there is smoke, there is fire.

  195. LMAO! I present the “NoBama Dog”. I think this confirms what I said about trust in my post just above.

    youtube.com/watch?v=XivhwO_zWWg

  196. NewMexicoFan, the website is set to east coast time.

    HillaryForTexas, that is a very funny video. Dogs are so smart.

  197. H4T:

    The dog video is hilarious.

    admin Says:
    August 9th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    “Thanks for that video Mrs. Smith.”

    Wonderful, glad I could help.

    Listening to him on the video reminded me of an updated nursery rhyme:

    There was a crooked man,
    That had a crooked smile,
    He bought a crooked company,
    To make a crooked pile,
    He bribed a crooked crony
    To form a crooked Board,
    And all its regulations
    Were crookedly ignored,
    He paid a crooked banker,
    To rig a crooked sale,
    And they all lived together
    In a crooked little jail.

    H4T:

    I liked your rant-

    “As for the current healthcare plans, they are a big crock of two-faced legalese crap, designed to provide Big Insurance and Big Pharma a steady supply of sheep to fleece.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Obama’s twisted lies incorporated into the HC Bill go futher than a fleecing. His HC Bill is a sherring and slaughtering of the People’s Bill of Rights relegating us to perpetual indentured servants of the government

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