Obama Holds Press Conference At Waterloo

Hillary supporters who fought for Hillary as the best vehicle to get universal health care now oppose health care – who’da thunk it? How can it be explained? What’s going on here? How can this be?

Think of it this way: A hungry person gets two invitations for dinner. The first invitation is from Julia Child. The second invitation is from Jeffrey Dahmer.

With the first invitation from Julia Child (a.k.a. Hillary Clinton) the hungry person is sure to get a delicious nutritious dinner from an experienced and knowledgeable and trustworthy cook who knows the pitfalls of the kitchen. With the second invitation from Jeffrey Dahmer (a.k.a. Barack Obama) the hungry person will be on the table as the dinner.

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During the primary campaigns of 2008, Hillary supporters regularly listed universal health care as priority number one. Here at Big Pink we wrote repeatedly in support of Hillary Clinton’s American Health Choices Plan (read the reviews of Hillary’s plan to see what might have been). We have understood always how absolutely important universal health care is for Americans and for the American economy.

Here at Big Pink we have commentors like Basil9 who desperately need quality health care and we understand the perils of the current thin ice situation. Basil9 is not alone in the damnation which is the current health care system for have-nots and even health care haves. We recoil at the many horror stories we have witnessed and the horror stories heard from those in need of health care for themselves or their family. We know that even for some with health care plans, at the moment of need, the system aggravated rather than soothed.

But we also understand that universal health care died when Hillary was denied the Democratic nomination.

We will write at some point during the upcoming health care debate a comprehensive review of why Obama is the enemy of health care reform. Some might remember the warnings we issued, starting in 2007, about why Obama is the enemy of health care reform and why Obama Won’t Be There When We Need Him.

Some will remember the attacks by Barack Obama on Hillary Clinton’s health care plan. Obama, we remember very well, trashed Hillary. Obama, we remember very well, trashed Hillary’s ideas (and John McCain’s ideas) which would now save his about to be euthanized schemes.

Obama trashed Hillary on mandates. Obama trashed Hillary (McCain too) on limits to “the tax-deductibility of employer-sponsored health insurance for those making more than $250,000 a year” as part of a comprehensive and well thought out health care plan not the mess that Obama is pushing now. We recall with disgust Obama’s attacks and the quote from Paul Krugman which so neatly exposes Obama today:

I’d add, however, a further concern: the debate over mandates has reinforced the uncomfortable sense among some health reformers that Mr. Obama just isn’t that serious about achieving universal care — that he introduced a plan because he had to, but that every time there’s a hard choice to be made he comes down on the side of doing less.

Hillary knew it would require strong leadership and a hell of a big fight to pass universal health care.



Obama? Obama just wanted the celebrity publicity stunt rush that comes from the spotlight.

Universal health care died when the Dimocrats gifted Obama the nomination.

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With Obama you always have to go back to first principles:

Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

With Obama you always have to watch what he does, not what he says.

Tonight Obama will try to bamboozle again with yet another televised publicity stunt at 8:00 p.m. (ET). Big Media personalities attending the publicity stunt would do Americans a great service if they would ask Obama to state exactly what is in the current House and Senate proposed legislation, what he likes in each and why and which he supports. Does Obama understand what is happening or is he holding publicity stunts for legislation he does not understand? The possibility that Obama has no idea what he is pushing is not entirely to be dismissed:

During the call, a blogger from Maine said he kept running into an Investors Business Daily article that claimed Section 102 of the House health legislation would outlaw private insurance. He asked: “Is this true? Will people be able to keep their insurance and will insurers be able to write new policies even though H.R. 3200 is passed?” President Obama replied: “You know, I have to say that I am not familiar with the provision you are talking about.” (quote begins at 17:10)

This is a truly disturbing admission by the President, especially considering that later in the call, Obama promises yet again: “If you have health insurance, and you like it, and you have a doctor that you like, then you can keep it. Period.” How can Obama keep making this promise if he is not familiar with the health legislation that is being written in Congress? Details matter.

For those who care, details matter. For showboating flim-flam men, only the drug rush of adulation and publicity matters. Hard work? that is for others, not for showboaters. Perhaps that is why Blue Dogs and Yellow Dogs, moderates and liberals are “concerned”. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer:

The majority leader also conceded that concerns about the current House bill are not limited to a group of conservative “Blue Dog” Democrats who have publicly stated their opposition to the bill.

It’s not just Blue Dogs. I want to make it very clear — progressives, Blue Dogs and everybody in between has expressed concerns, and we’re working on that,” Hoyer said.

Obama has been too busy with other publicity stunts, which involve a great deal of travel to fun locations and big crowds, to notice the mess he wants others to deal with. Now, facing a disaster that will expose him as the useless clown he has always been – a man with zero accomplishments and a zero logo to match – Obama is scrambling to appear interested.

Last night, invitations to former Obama campaign workers were sent from the DNC/B.O organization to “plant” questioners in later “town hall” events (we specifically heard of these invitations to a Chicago “town hall” publicity stunt). But no amount of publicity stunts are going to help the mish mash mess which is the Obama “plan”.

Not only are Republicans honing their opposition, but some Democrats in both chambers are voicing doubts about moving such complex and costly legislation too quickly.

No one wants to tell the speaker (Nancy Pelosi) that she’s moving too fast and they damn sure don’t want to tell the president,” Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., a key committee chairman, told a fellow lawmaker as the two walked into a closed-door meeting Tuesday. The remark was overheard by reporters.

Obama has scheduled a prime-time news conference Wednesday, expected to focus on health care. It’s turning into a major test of his leadership. One Republican senator says if the party can stop Obama on health care, it will break him.

Now Obama is scrambling, seizing the opportunity for publicity stunts and more travel for additional publicity stunts, instead of the hard draft legislation work which health care reform required. After wasting trillions on election year slush funds, Obama is now forced to retire to Waterloo or finally get to work:

President Barack Obama is significantly raising his personal stake in the effort to overhaul America’s health-care system, as Democrats and the public express growing unease about the costs.

After weeks of allowing allies in Congress to shape the emerging bills, the White House signaled its intention to start spending more of Mr. Obama’s political capital. “We’re going to have to wade in a little deeper into the nitty-gritty to keep the process going,” White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel said in an interview. “We know that and accept that.”

On Tuesday — exactly six months into his presidency — Mr.Obama did just that, diving into an intraparty dispute over the cost of health-care legislation in a long meeting with conservative Democrats. And for the eighth time in nine days, the president delivered an impassioned pitch for Congress to pass an ambitious bill, urging lawmakers to “insist that this time it will be different.” Mr. Obama plans a prime-time news conference Wednesday as well.

Only now, is Obama worried. Obama is worried for his own future, not the health care needs of Americans:

Mr. Obama has faced criticism from some quarters for being too removed from the health debate, and he may have little choice but to get more deeply involved. Core Obama supporters still are clamoring for passage of legislation by August, and House leaders signaled yesterday that they will attempt to hold a vote there by the end of this month.

Yet polls show growing doubts among Americans about the effort, and conservative Democrats in the House are pushing for more cost-containment provisions and protesting the current House plan to finance the effort with about $500 billion of taxes on the wealthy. House conservatives said Tuesday night they made progress in addressing their concerns in the White House meeting. Meanwhile, though, the Senate Finance Committee is days behind schedule in coming up with its own plan for funding a health system.

The time for the legislative hard work was in January, not July. Now Obama is facing his Waterloo (as Senator Jim DeMint has been quoted as saying).

Americans needed, desperately, the Hillary Clinton universal health care program. Hillary cared about health care and Americans and she could be trusted to do what is right.

Obama? Obama never cared. To Obama health care, not universal, but a mish mash plan, was a get votes scheme.

Universal health care will go to its death bed.

Obama will go to his Waterloo.

Americans will continue to suffer.

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  1. Politico has a mostly dull list of questions for Obama tonight.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25265.html

    The questions (without the comments) are these:

    1) Is it still realistic that both chambers of Congress will pass health care bills before their summer recess in August? And how worried are you that missing the deadline could endanger your hopes of getting a bill this year?

    2) Who are you referring to when you cite, as you did in your radio address last week, those “special interests” in health care who “make the same old arguments, and use the same scare tactics?” And what’s the difference between honest objections to a massive overhaul of the U.S. healthcare system, and what you consider obstructionism?

    3) You have sought to focus attention on Sen. Jim DeMint’s comments alluding to the political benefit for the GOP in blocking healthcare reform, but it’s mostly Democratic members of Congress that your own political apparatus is targeting in TV ads now on the air. Why haven’t you been more successful in convincing members of your own party on this issue so far, and how does DeMint figure into your effort to lobby Democrats?

    4) You said during the campaign that you would negotiate the health care bill on C-SPAN. But now you won’t even release the names of health care executives who visit the White House for what are closed door discussions. How do you reconcile what you said during the campaign with your approach now?

    5) On Monday you said that “folks on Wall Street don’t feel any remorse for taking all these risks; you don’t get a sense that there’s been a change of culture and behavior as a consequence of what has happened.” What do you think Wall Street needs to do to show remorse and to change its culture? And isn’t the problem with the economy right now not some Wall Streeters getting bonuses, but the fact that recession is much tougher and deeper than even your administration projected?

    6) Attorney General Eric Holder is considering appointing an independent prosecutor to investigate alleged abuses of detainees during the Bush era. When the White House was asked about this, officials repeated your mantra that the country should look forward, not back. What’s your view about when it’s appropriate for the White House to send signals to the Justice Department about what action it should take in regarding a criminal investigation?

    7) In announcing the delay of up to six months in the report on detainee policy, White House officials said the issues were “hard” and “complicated” and that you wanted them to “get this right.” Weren’t they hard and complicated when you set the deadline earlier this year? What has changed? And are you still committed to closing Guantanamo Bay prison by January?

    8 ) Your Secretary of State recently compared the North Korean regime attention-craving adolescents. Do you agree with that assessment, and either way, how do plan to proceed toward reining in North Korea’s missile program?

    9) Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. was recently arrested by Cambridge police at his own home. Now the African-American scholar said he plans to use the experience to focus attention on racial profiling and the black experience in the criminal justice system. Do you think Gates was justified in accusing the police of being harassed for being “a black man in America?”

    10) Do you still plan on joining a Washington-area church and attending services?

  2. ‘Americans needed, desperately, the Hillary Clinton universal health care program. Hillary cared about health care and Americans and she could be trusted to do what is right.’

    While I don’t understand all the details of these complex issues, I do TRUST HRC to try and HELP Americans!

    Admin, my apologies for dominating the previous thread. Normally, I would log on to a health forum for such medical talk but I haven’t yet found one for lymphoma that I like.

    Hillary4texas.
    AWESOME RANT previous thread!

  3. Keithhennessey has 20 questions for Obama which are much more interesting:

    http://keithhennessey.com/2009/07/21/20-questions/

    Economy

    1. The U.S. economy has lost 2.64 million jobs since you took office. The unemployment rate is 9.5% and rising. The good scenario is one in which the unemployment rate begins to decline early next year. The Vice President said your Administration misread the economy. You said you had incomplete information when proposing the stimulus. Yet you have said you would not change anything about the stimulus if you could. If the facts have changed, why doesn’t it make sense to change your policy?

    2. Last month’s jobs report was the first since you took office that was worse than the prior month. Do you think the economy is getting stronger or weaker right now? If the next jobs report gets still worse, will you re-evaluate the need for a change in fiscal policy?

    3. Do you maintain your promise not to allow taxes to be raised on people earning less than $250,000 per year? Will you insist that health care legislation conform with this commitment?

    4. Chrysler and GM have exited bankruptcy. Are U.S. taxpayers done subsidizing these firms? What is your exit strategy from taxpayers owning much of GM and Chrysler?

    5. You proposed spending money from the TARP to prevent foreclosures, help small businesses, and to buy toxic assets from banks. In June CBO said they had found no evidence that any money has been spent for any of these programs. How many foreclosures have been prevented, how many small businesses have received loans from, and how many toxic assets have been purchased?

    Health care

    6. You have insisted that health care reform “bend the cost curve down.” CBO Director Elmendorf says the bills being debated would instead raise the health care cost curve and would increase long-term budget deficits. Will you continue to insist that health care reform not increase the deficit?

    7. Your Administration has said that health care reform is the key to addressing our long-term budget problem. Yet you have adopted a lower standard, that health care reform legislation simply does not make our deficit problems worse. If health care reform leaves the unsustainable budget situation unchanged, and since CBO says your budget would result in nine trillion dollars of new debt over the next decade, then how else do you propose to deal with the projected explosion of government debt over the long run?

    8. You have said transparency is a top priority. Yet you are calling on Congress to pass a trillion-plus dollar spending bill before CBO has had time to estimate its full effects. In addition, your Administration is delaying release of the new economic projections and deficit estimates until after Congress votes on this massive new spending bill. Will you commit now that you will not ask Members of Congress to vote on this massive new spending commitment until your Administration has met its legal obligation to provide an updated economic forecast and deficit projection, and until CBO has provided Congress with transparent and complete analysis of the bill?

    9. On June 15th you said, “If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.” Yet CBO says these bills would cause a few million Americans who now have employer-provided health insurance to lose it, as their employers would try to push costs and people onto taxpayer-subsidized programs. Last Thursday in New Jersey you seemed to redefine your promise when you said, “When I say, ‘If you have your plan and you like it, … what I’m saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform.” And at your televised forum, you said, “If you are happy with your plan, and if you are happy with your doctor, we don’t want you to have to change.” Do you believe your first promise was too strong?

    10. In a February 2008 debate with then-Senator Clinton you opposed an individual mandate to buy health insurance. In that debate you said, “In some cases, there are people who are paying fines and still can’t afford it, so now they’re worse off than they were. They don’t have health insurance and they’re paying a fine. In order for you to force people to get health insurance, you’ve got to have a very harsh penalty.” Now you are supporting a bill that would force people to buy health insurance, and that CBO says would still result in eight million people not having health insurance and paying higher taxes. How do you explain to those eight million uninsured people why you now support the mandate and “very harsh penalty” they would have to face, and which you opposed during the campaign?

    11. Experts across the policy and political spectrum say that repealing or limiting the tax exclusion for employer-provided health insurance is a good way to bend the health cost curve down. Some powerful unions oppose this change. Your position has so far been ambiguous. Do you think this change would be good policy? Are you willing to support it if it attracts Republican votes?

    12. Your party controls the White House, has a 38+ seat margin in the House, and has the 60 Senate seats needed to overcome any filibuster. How can Republicans be holding up health care reform?

    13. Most members of Congress who oppose these health care bills argue they have a better way of reforming health care, such as the Ryan-Coburn bill. Why is it fair to accuse them of defending the status quo? Can you name a Member of Congress who has explicitly argued for the status quo, rather than just arguing against your preferred alternative?

    14. You campaigned against Washington special interests and have accused them of attempting to block health care reform. Yet your Administration has negotiated and supported deals made behind closed doors with some of these same interests, and you have announced those deals here at the White House flanked by Washington lobbyists representing HMO’s, drug companies, hospitals, doctors, unions, and nurses. How is this consistent?

    Energy & Climate change

    15. The Indian government told Secretary Clinton that India will not agree to limit its carbon emissions. The Chinese have sent the same signal. Are you willing to sign a new climate agreement that does not contain binding commitments by China or India to reduce or slow the growth of their emissions?

    16. Does it make sense for the U.S. to impose higher energy costs on American workers and manufacturers if the two largest developing economies are unwilling to slow their emissions growth? Won’t that just disadvantage American workers with little reduction in future global temperatures?

    17. If the Senate cannot pass a cap-and-trade bill this fall, will you ask Congress to send you a smaller clean energy technology bill before you go to the global climate change discussions in Copenhagen this December?

    18. Do you support the expansion of nuclear power in the U.S.? If so, what are you doing to encourage it? And where are you going to store the nuclear waste, given the strong opposition of Senate Majority Leader Reid to storing it in Nevada’s Yucca Mountain?

    Trade

    19. The top Democrat and Republican on the Senate Finance Committee have called for you to submit to Congress for their approval the signed Free Trade Agreements with U.S. allies Colombia, Panama and South Korea. Why have you not submitted them to Congress? When will you do so?

    20. At the G20 and G8 Summits you joined other leaders in renouncing protectionism and committed to concluding the Doha Round of global trade talks. What steps are you taking to roll back protectionist measures the U.S. has taken, such as Buy America, and what concrete steps are you taking to advance the Doha Round?

  4. Basil9, your comments were important. We quoted one of them in our article today. No need to apologize. On the contrary – thanks.

    And best of luck and best wishes on your health circumstances.

  5. “Does Obama understand what is happening or is he holding publicity stunts for legislation he does not understand? The possibility that Obama has no idea what he is pushing is not entirely to be dismissed…”

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    Given that one of the major internal complaints is that he isn’t around until the very end to discuss/argue anything and leaves all the labor to his minions, I would definitely say that he doesn’t have a clue about anything at all.

    Excellent article, Admin.

  6. In some ways it bothers me that these questions are out there already. Just once I would like to see him answer some spontaneous/questions he doesn’t already know about and had time to get the robotic answers to, just to see what the heck he does and doesn’t understand.

    I guess this what happens when you put junior behind the wheel.

  7. Until the American public demands that the government removed the Insurance industry from Health Care, UHC at a cost than can be paid is impossible. The administrative costs for the private insurance part of the current

    health care mess is 31%. The Administrative cost of the US single-payer system (Medicare) is 3.7%. The difference is >$350 billion dollars per year. The Congress is trying to find $1 trillion over ten years to fund Obama-care

    which might, if things work perfectly, get basic health care to 68% of the presently un-insured by 2020. No uninsured person will begin to receive coverage until 2013. The wasted administrative costs of “private insurance” is at

    least $3.5 trillion over ten years and that doesn’t include the obscene profits. If all additional cost of the insurance companies are added up it is about $6 trillion over ten years. Obama-care’s primary goal is to protect the

    “private insurance” model of health care delivery, everything else is secondary.

  8. ‘your comments were important.’
    😳

    I really am blushing. Thanks for letting me rant. You are an angel.

    And thanks for the good wishes.

    (BTW- I’m gonna beat this. I’m just having a day-before-chemo anxiety attack)

  9. Obama may have to wait for health care passage

    By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR (AP) – 1 hour ago

    WASHINGTON — Conservative House Democrats signaled on Wednesday that Congress is far from fulfilling President Barack Obama’s goal of overhauling health care, just hours before the president planned another televised appeal to lawmakers to get the job done.

    “We are making progress; however, we have a long way to go,” Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., chairman of the Blue Dog health care task force, said in a statement. He said they would continue to work with the administration and Democratic leaders toward legislation they can ultimately support.

    Obama’s ambitious timetable of votes in the House and Senate before Congress’ August recess is slipping as moderate and conservative Democrats — the so-called Blue Dogs — demanded additional cost savings.

    First-term lawmakers upset with proposed tax increases and objections from members of the rank-and-file opposed to allowing the government to sell health insurance in competition with private industry also slowed the president’s top domestic priority.

    After more than a week of tirelessly pressuring Congress to move, Obama may have to settle for a fallback strategy on overhauling health care. The best Democrats may be able to hope for this summer is action by the full House by the end of the month and some sort of agreement on a bipartisan plan in the Senate before lawmakers head home for vacation.

    Not only are Republicans honing their opposition, but some Democrats in both chambers are voicing doubts about moving such complex and costly legislation too quickly.

    “No one wants to tell the speaker (Nancy Pelosi) that she’s moving too fast and they damn sure don’t want to tell the president,” Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., a key committee chairman, told a fellow lawmaker as the two walked into a closed-door meeting Tuesday. The remark was overheard by reporters.

    Obama has scheduled a prime-time news conference Wednesday, expected to focus on health care. The issue is turning into a major test of his leadership. One Republican senator says if the party can stop Obama on health care, it will break him.

    In an interview with CBS News on Tuesday, the president insisted on action by lawmakers, even as he conceded some of the criticism was valid. Referring to objections from a group of conservative Democrats in the House, Obama said, “I think, rightly, a number of these so called Blue Dog Democrats — more conservative Democrats — were concerned that not enough had been done on reducing costs.”
    Obama said those issues can be addressed as the legislation keeps moving forward. Congress has already spent years studying and debating the problems in the health care system, he said.

    Meanwhile, a conservative South Carolina Republican, Sen. Jim DeMint, refused Wednesday to back away from his earlier assertion that the health care overhaul will prove to be Obama’s “Waterloo.” Appearing on NBC’s “Today” show Wednesday, DeMint was asked if he stood by that statement. He replied, “It’s not personal. But we’ve got to stop his policies. The policies are not matching up to the promises. They’re loading trillions of dollars of debt on to the American people.”

    Given the struggle, the polls show slippage for Obama, although he remains popular.
    Fifty percent of Americans approve of Obama’s handling of health care, just slightly lower than his rating in April, according to The Associated Press-GfK poll released Tuesday. However, the number who disapprove jumped from 28 percent in April to 43 percent, with Obama losing support from independents. With health care ranking as the top concern, 56 percent think Obama can implement a national health care plan in the next four years, but that’s down from 63 percent before his January inauguration.

    The AP-GfK Poll, conducted July 16-20 by GfK Roper Public Affairs & Media, interviewed 1,006 adults nationwide. The survey had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

    Pelosi, D-Calif., vowed weeks ago that the House would vote by the end of July on legislation to meet two goals established by Obama. The president wants to extend health coverage to the tens of millions who now lack it, and at the same time restrain the growth in health care costs far into the future. The upfront costs, however, could reach $1 trillion to $1.5 trillion over 10 years.

    The president also has vowed that the legislation will not swell the deficit, although a senior administration official told reporters Tuesday that the pledge does not apply to an estimated $245 billion to increase fees for doctors serving Medicare patients over the next decade.

    Peter Orszag, the White House budget director, said that was because the administration always assumed the money would be spent to avert a scheduled cut of 21 percent in doctor’s fees.

    At the White House, Obama and moderate and conservative Democrats verbally agreed on a council of experts to find savings in Medicare, coupled with a mechanism to force Congress to act on the recommendations. The cost curbs may help woo some of the conservatives.

    In the Senate, a small, bipartisan group of lawmakers on the Senate Finance Committee met behind closed doors, pursuing an elusive agreement. The negotiations, led by Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., have taken on new urgency. But it’s unclear whether they will produce a breakthrough — or peter out in frustration.

    google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jlMpJGn28kqCcgU-aGcYE_ZHW-ywD99JJHV84

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    “Obama’s Waterloo”

    Kind of catchy!

  10. Admin, my only complaint with your article is the statement that the Dims gifted O the nomination. I personnelly think he bullied, bribed, threatened and frauded his way to the nomination, and those that took part in that, we know who you are.

    The risk with that is if you gamble and win, your sin will be forgiven, but if you gamble and lose, like elephants you will be tarnished also. So in your really exceptional article, I really don’t view the nomination as a gift. He owes, he bribed, he bullied, and there is evidence of that somewhere.

    In addition, I still hope that Someday, the birth certificate will surface, and when the truth comes out, the American People will be OUTRAGED at the slowness of the court, and the deception that went on. The judical system should be suspect of a man that has a legal defense team which is nearing a $1M in cost to keep this issue buried. My parents use to always say that if you act guilty you have something to hide. Looks like my Parents were smarter than the court system we have in this country. (Sorry, I know a little off topic).

  11. Another reminder of what was put into the Oval Office as a temporary POTUS by a combination of crooked politicians,fictitious voters,dead voters
    ilegal aliens and black panther armed
    and carrying out Acorn instructions.
    All playing by the Chicago rules for
    corrupt elections.

    Go to = evelynpringle@sbcglobal.NET
    and you will be amazed at the court
    testimony and the Obama connection.

    ABM90 Read it and remind your friends and family what we missed when we allowed President Hillary to
    be denied her rightful honest win to
    be taken from her and presented to a
    person from ( WHERE ? )

  12. Basil,

    Sorry to hear about your new illness. There are different types of lymphoma and some are very curable. I wish you the best. The treatment for liver disease tears people apart and you made it out on the other side. May you do the same with this new illness. (((Hugs))).

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    Great article admin. Once again:

    Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

    He is living up to our worst fears—-and then some.

    This “health care reform” is a debacle and a disaster in the making. They are moving way too fast for any meaningful type of health care reform for the citizens of our country. Of course, the insurance industry would make out like bandits, as well as the drug companies. It is so sickening to watch our leaders sell out the needs of our citizens to the special interests so that they can line their pockets even more with cash. BO is the 3rd Bush term. Only instead of the oil companies running the country, it is the robber barons of wall street and the insurance industry.

  13. Thanks Jan and birdgal.
    :shuffling feet:

    Well, at least my posts were relevant to the healthcare discussion. 👿
    But let me just reiterate, NO ONE EVER THINKS THEY’RE GONNA GET SICK!!!!!!!! I’m still in Da Nile.

    ABM,
    Soon as I have a chance I am going to check the new Pringle article. She’s written some great stuff in the past.

  14. admin, also from that link back in time to Dec. 2007, Krugman wrote in that article:

    “But lately Mr. Obama has been stressing his differences with his rivals by attacking their plans from the right — which means that he has been giving credence to false talking points that will be used against any Democratic health care plan a couple of years from now.”

    It didn’t even take a couple of years. A the Democrat he’s undermined is himself.

    But I think we can all agree that he is not out to reform health care, he just wants to have something to sign in the Rose Garden and stick his head in front of cameras, and Big Media can give him his headline: “Obama wins another; Major Health Care Bill Signed by President”.

    Never mind the goddamn details.

  15. http://www.nationaljournal.com/congressdaily/hca_20090722_6620_pf.php

    A telling episode recounted by Senate Finance ranking member Charles Grassley reveals the Obama administration might be more worried than they are letting on that a Republican senator’s comparison of the healthcare overhaul to Waterloo might be dangerously close to the truth.

    Grassley said he spoke with a Democratic House member last week who shared Obama’s bleak reaction during a private meeting to reports that some factions of House Democrats were lining up to stall or even take down the overhaul unless leaders made major changes.

    “Let’s just lay everything on the table,” Grassley said. “A Democrat congressman last week told me after a conversation with the president that the president had trouble in the House of Representatives, and it wasn’t going to pass if there weren’t some changes made … and the president says, ‘You’re going to destroy my presidency.’ ”

    The White House did not respond to requests for comment.

  16. ‘You’re going to destroy my presidency.’ ”

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    Yes please!

  17. and the president says, ‘You’re going to destroy my presidency.’ ”
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    Actually, BO is going to destroy his own presidency, if this debacle passes. He needs to allow more time, so that a well thought and comprehensive health care reform bill can be passed. I would like health care reform, but this bill isn’t it.

  18. Great article admin.
    Basil9, sorry to hear your story. You are in my prayers. I understand completely where your coming from since my husband has ms. I recently quit my 75,000. a year job to be closer to home as he is now barely able to walk. They tell me there is nothing that can be done for him so theres no need to take to the dr., therefore I don’t take him. Theres no need to make the fat cats any richer.
    Cancer on the other hand is a different story, you have to do the treatment.

    As for BO healthcare, I was not advocating it was a good bill, just saying we need Hillarycare. WE have Kennedycare or Doddcare. They are spoiled little brats that want to make history instead of giving the one woman a call that could fix all this BS about the program. What is she doing in India during this 2weeks mandate to pass the bill.

    Its apparent to me the little smart asses that want to take the credit for this legislation are hogging the spotlight just to keep her from saving the day.

    For GODSAKES SOMEONE CALL HILLARY AND GET HER BACK HER NOW!!!

  19. Basil 9, btw since I quit my job, I personally have NO health insurance. The stimulus has a provision to help pay for Cobra, but I don’t qualify because I quit of my own accord. The payments for me alone is 533. month.

  20. A new approach to handling this stranger in the Oval Office.EXPOSE HIS PAST AND WHAT WE HAVE MUST
    INFORM THE MISGUIDED.

    =Final Chapter – Curtain Time for Barack Obama
    Saturday, 24 May 2008, 6:38 pm
    Column: Evelyn Pringle

    Final Chapter – Curtain Time for Barack Obama

    By Evelyn Pringle

    Curtain Time For Barack Obama – Part I
    Curtain Time for Barack Obama – Part II
    Curtain Time for Barack Obama – Part III
    Curtain Time for Barack Obama – Part IV
    Curtain Time for Barack Obama – Part V
    Barack Obama – The Wizard of Oz
    Barack Obama – Operation Board Games for Slumlords, and
    Barack Obama – Subplots of Operation Board Games Part I
    =======================

  21. and the president says, ‘You’re going to destroy my presidency.’ ”
    &&&&&&&&

    Like I sed, Obama has a fragile ego, is insecure, is tentative, has trembling hands at the helm.

    A Hysterical Presidency, if I ever saw.

  22. ‘You’re going to destroy my presidency.’ ”

    I can’t WAIT!

    Confloyd,
    Before I got my insurance straightened out, COBRA was almost $700 per month. It’s insane! How the heck do they expect people to afford that? (on a former teacher’s salary, i mean).

    So sorry about your hubby. It must be heart-breaking knowing there’s no treatment. All my best to both of you. You are one strong b**** and may I compliment your testicular fortitude? 😉

  23. Tiresome David Gergen is the master of conventional wisdom. In this case conventional wisdom is not good for B.O.:

    http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/22/a-steep-climb-for-obama/

    Heading toward a showdown on his top domestic priority — and possibly the linchpin to his presidency — Barack Obama carries two handicaps into his prime time press conference tonight.

    First, he does not yet have a fully formed health care plan to “sell” to the country. Ordinarily, a president trying to persuade the public on a contentious issue has a firm plan to present in prime time. But the nature of the process in health care has meant that five different Congressional committees are working on ideas — and two of the most influential have not even reported yet on their recommendations.

    As a result, the President is left to rail against the status quo — and he does this with great persuasiveness — but he is unable to bring his much respected oratorical power to bear on convincing people exactly what to do to fix things.

    Second, the President is taking to the airwaves at a time when he no longer seems to have as big a welcome mat as in the past. Not only are his high poll numbers slipping a bit but so are his audience numbers. For his first prime time press conference in February, some 49.5 million people — a whopping number — tuned in. For his second, in March, 40.4 million watched. And in his third, in April, the total dropped to 28.8 million. Observers will closely watch the returns tonight.

    He may be testing the outer limits of media presence. Tonight will mark his fifth major prime time appearance in his first six months. Even FDR, a legendary communicator, had only three fireside chats in the same time frame. (George W. Bush held four prime time press conferences in his whole eight years).

    Obama’s lieutenants will tell you he has a history of rising to the occasion and that already he has advanced health care reform farther than any of his Democratic predecessors. They are right on both arguments. But they know as well this will be one of the steepest, most important climbs of his young presidency.

  24. He no doubt, will embarrass Hillary…something like “I would not have used that language, but”…

  25. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    Matt Lauer thinks DeMint is a big fat meany!

    He said, “I bet it wouldn’t break your heart (sniffle-sniffle) if you and the conservatives broke the president and caused his Waterloo! (paraphrasing).

    Oh the INDIGNITY of it all! Lauer is SHOCKED! SHOCKED i tell you!

    hahahahahahaha

  26. Even Dimocrats are catching on to Obama wanting them to do the work, while he sits back and goes applaud shopping:

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/21/senator-democrats-baffled-by-presidents-health-care-stance/

    WASHINGTON (CNN) – As the prospects for passing health reform by the time Congress leaves for its August recess look bleaker, Democratic grumbling about President Obama is growing louder. One Democratic senator tells CNN congressional Democrats are “baffled,” and another senior Democratic source tells CNN members of the president’s own party are still “frustrated” that they’re not getting more specific direction from him on health care. “We appreciate the rhetoric and his willingness to ratchet up the pressure but what most Democrats on the Hill are looking for is for the president to weigh in and make decisions on outstanding issues. Instead of sending out his people and saying the president isn’t ruling anything out, members would like a little bit of clarity on what he would support – especially on how to pay for his health reform bill,” a senior Democratic congressional source tells CNN. The Democratic leadership had hoped the work going on behind closed doors for months could bear fruit in time for the president’s news conference Wednesday night. But multiple Democratic sources tell CNN that’s looking very unlikely, and one senior Democratic source tells CNN there is some frustration among Democratic leaders that Senate negotiators have, “repeatedly missed deadlines.”

  27. basil9, Thanks for the testicular fortitude compliment.
    I was just over to Alegre Corner and she is really saying what I can’t seem to get out. She tired of the Reps. She had an interesting take on it. WHile the republicans are leaving 47million out of insurance we could just call there care Kristolcare. I wonder how they would like that name. THey all named hillary’s healthcare, hillarycare. I thought it was funny.
    I JUST WISH OUR POTUS AND THE REST OF THE WHINERS WOULD STOP ALL THE POLITICING, KICK OUT THE SPECIAL INTERESTS AND GET US A HEALTHCARE PLAN. What is the problem with that???

    Basil, you and I need to go up there and get this done! LOL!!!

  28. I’m shocked…Obama = Bush III

    “Reporting from Washington — Invoking an argument used by President George W. Bush, the Obama administration has turned down a request from a watchdog group for a list of health industry executives who have visited the White House to discuss the massive healthcare overhaul.

    Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington sent a letter to the Secret Service asking about visits from 18 executives representing health insurers, drug makers, doctors and other players in the debate. The group wants the material in order to gauge the influence of those executives in crafting a new healthcare policy.”

    ww.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-healthcare-talks22-2009jul22,0,7434392.story

    Just like Cheney and Big Oil…Obama, “Big Coal” and “Big Med”…..I am sure they were discussing what was in the best interest of the American people.

  29. Hope this is the frauds waterloo and the msm who kissed his ass during the primary. I still get sick to my stomach when I think about the primaries. I’m still waiting for the karma to catch up to Chrissy Matthews.

  30. ‘you and I need to go up there and get this done! LOL!!’

    hehehehehe!

    We should do it one of the days I’m on 80mg of steroids. i could rip BO’s face off when I’m on that sh!t. 😈

  31. IMHO…Hillary would have started from day one of her Presidency with a laser beam focus on jobs, jobs, jobs and more Job creation…and focusing on stopping the foreclosures and loss of homes…she would have made sure stimulus/tarp money also included small businesses so gee, they could continue to actually hire people instead of continue to go out of business and add to job loss…

    I am speculating but I think because Hillary is so wise and has had such a personal experience with health reform in the past…she would have waited a while until she started to get a handle on job creation and stabalized things and then proceeded in the same focused laser beam concentration on health reform and I think from past experience she would have included all people at the table and not been so foolish as to emulate Bush by denying the public knowledge of who was invited to the White House as Obama has with health officials he invited to WH – so much for transparency

    Obama has squandered all the goodwill he had – he is like an unfocused kid in the candy store with a different favorite candy every other day…one day, it is energy, the next it is health, the next he is off galavanting somewhere, the next reading some speech on some topic somewhere and somehow he does not understand or ignores the glue to hold his whole presidency together is the need to get the country working again…but that is like a side thought to him…not worth his attention – someday he might get to it…there is no immediacy…

    …now the people are starting to wake up and realize that they got caught up in the whirlwind and the moment of ‘hope and change’ and buyer’s remorse is setting in…they did not sign up for a complete and total overhaul of everything at the same time — everything rushed, hardly understood and a big gamble that the President is not even sure of…people are beginning to understand that he is ‘winging it’ and thus the loss of trust and confidence and dropping poll numbers…Obama is beginning to scare the hell out of people…and his INEXPERIENCE is showing…

    and for good measure, people are starting to wonder ‘when does this guy actually work?’ one night he is throwing baseballs, one night listening to country music, one night at a basketball game, one night jetting to NY for dinner and theatre…how about locking yourself in that oval office and actually learning about the issues – instead of just reading the same speeches in campaign mode over and over again…he lives in a bubble of delusion…

  32. basil9, do you think its all about who get the credit for this healthcare bill. Obama and Pooplosi want the exclusive rights to this fame. I understand then when its a horrible bill and it makes things worse we should know who to tar and feather, won’t we?

  33. I think that’s a big part of it. That “Mission Accomplished” Moment. But we all know how that turned out.

    May Bo’s hubris bite him just like Bush’s ego brought him down.

    I just hope it’s sooner rather than later.

    I also wonder if HRC is over in India laughing her butt off and thanking her elbow for having so fortuitously
    delayed her oversease trip until now.

    Remember, yesterday was a full solar eclipse. I ho[pe tonight will be the start of BO’s ‘waterloo.’

  34. Applause Shopping!

    ROTF Admin!

    Hi Dot! Good to see you here.
    I agree that karma can’t get here fast enough/

  35. so far he seems to have won all battles and I don’t see much changing..he has the votes and can use Rahm and Axelrod to influence dems(i.e. no funding for campaigns).

  36. admin @ 4:20, a Democrat from the Clinton administration was on Fox last night (forget her name), and was addressing this lack of any direction or involvement from Obama.

    She said (paraphrased) “During Clinton’s tenure, he actually worked on legislation himself, often for weeks and months, and would then send it down to the hill for Congress to change, approve, mark up, or whatever. But he and his administration did the work, the research, and gave the Democrats in congress very clear and detailed direction as to what he wanted.”

    Obama doesn’t even care. He’s just “vaguely in favor of reform”. “Hey, buzz me on my Blackberry when it’s time for the signing photo-op, otherwise I could care less what the legislation says.”

  37. mymymy.

    Tempers flaring. Hoyer takes on entire House GOP The typically low-key and collegial Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) was mighty peeved Tuesday afternoon after more than 100 GOP House members staged a coordinated protest during daily “one minutes” to attack the Dems’ health care and economic recovery efforts.

    The silver-haired majority leader apparently tired of hearing members shout “Where are the jobs?” into the mic — and stormed to the podium to offer his retort.

    “When you talk about jobs, you ought to talk about your experience you had,” Hoyer said, cheeks reddening over a slate-gray suit. “You failed; we succeeded!

    Check out the clip. Mutiny is in the air. Will it be enough to derail BO? I got the popcorn ready.

  38. HillaryforTexas, I read BC’s book, they used hole themselves up in either the oval office or the yellow room, cant remember which, but they would work until the wee hours in the morning. Bill and Hillary and yes Al worked their asses off. Thats not what is going on now. Obuma doesn’t even KNOW what is in the bill he wants to push thru. What a crock of BS! I would have been embarrasses to admit that on National TV and it is going to hurt him bigtime. Hillary is a open book able to recount every procedure in detail and every subject, or at least I don’t think the pundits have ever stumped her.

    BO just wants to sit at the same table as FDR, he doesn’t care how or what is in the bill. He will never even hold a candle to Jimmy Carter. Carter at least has done habitat for humanity and I give him credit for that and not much else. What will be Obuma’s =nothing. Oh maybe he will be able to spout that he got rid of the constitution all together.

  39. Admin:

    Hillary, the well known, trusted doyenne mocking Obama’s nebulous words of Hope and Change in that video, strikes at the heart of Obama supporters like a silver bullet delivered with the impact of a long range missile finally landing it’s target.

    If that video goes viral….. well..

  40. I think obama is under the misunderstanding that he is now the KING and has slaves to do his work for him.

  41. Confloyd, yep. We tried to tell them the man is NOT a leader, and NOT a hard worker, and NOT a well-versed policy wonk. He’s a figurehead, the spokesmodel meant to “sell” the vague ideas of others.

    He has no idea how to govern, or lead. All he knows how to do is SELL, and he even does a piss-poor lackadaisical job of that, if he’s asked to sell something other than HIMSELF and his “stirring personal narrative”.

  42. Basil9, OMG, you must see this video. Its only a few hours old, but its needs to go viral. Its entitled “Who more intelligent, Barack Hussein Obama or William Jefferson Clinton”. h t tp :// ww w. you tube .com /watch?v=9PB_ E5WtiEo. I love this video, it was made by a conservative.

  43. For all those conspiracy theorists out there, the speech (full text) of Hillary at the CFR she says that the CFR actually runs the government. I heard it straight from her mouth. Its on youtube. I wonder if she was actually letting us know what the F is going on.

  44. well my brother told me today he’d never vote again. IMHO that is the begininng of FlimFlam’s waterloo. My brother drank heavily of the koolaid and for him to say that .. well, it speaks voluesm.

  45. Committe on Foreign Relations/Trilateral Commission/Bilderburg Group. All the same set of folks.

    Good to see you hear again birdgal.

  46. dot48 Says:

    July 22nd, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    ——————
    WOW! That must have been a shocker for you.

  47. Jan, I pissed my pants 😆 I have been waiting for this day! Lots of people don’t undertstand this health care “reform” .. some people are begininng to wake up. I can’t wait.

  48. Dot,

    Congrats!

    Bit I swear i can’t stand to see Pooplosie any more than BO. That Bytch is the reasons HRC isn’t in the WH.
    And i am so disgusted with the ‘it’s all about me and my legacy” subtext of these egotistical POS. Even today Pooplosie says she has the votes. it’s obscene. I want to see her crash and burn almost as much as I want the BO to self-destruct.

    i H8 them.

  49. I confess i found this at HA but that doesn’t make it any less funny.

    ADMIN!
    Please embed!

    Waterloo by ABBA. I can imagine BO as the caped guitarist.

    www dot youtube dot com/watch?v=Gu1q17rUkVU&no

  50. jbjonesfan

    What has passed has been window dressing. On the hard stuff, either he is changing the issue, or just giving lip service to it. He does not present a decisive/direction giving Presidential image. He keeps waiting for that 5 minute paper to be handed to him, so he can just present it with his telepromter.

    I never got to a point in my career where I thought I could delegate everything. What I did learn is to figure out the critical areas, and watch them closely, and then don’t sweat the small stuff.

    People are catching on. After all as neighborhood organizer how much experience do you have. After that, the legislative experience was all fixed for him, he just had to show up for the cocktail parties. At the Federal level, they told him to vote Present, and don’t show his birth certificate.

  51. confloyd..

    I couldn’t get the video to work past the 1:24 mark. May be taking big hits..(???) CFR = Council of Foreign Relations…

    here is the video link again:

    h…. w… youtube.com/watch?v=9PB_E5WtiEo

    no workey for moi.

  52. Mrs. Smith, they are cutting of her first words off. She was congratulating them (CFR)on them getting so close to the state to dept. so its not so far for her to go to find out what she should be working on and thinking about. This is pretty close to what she said. I will try to remember where I saw the video, the trouble is I surf and forget where I see something.

  53. If anyone needs a reminder about why we fight against BO and his anti-American policies, here it is.

    Killed in action the week before, the body of Sergeant First Class John C. Beale was returned to Falcon Field in Peachtree City, Georgia, just south of Atlanta, on June 11, 2009. Sergeant Beale was from Henry County and local police escorted the procession from Atlanta to the funeral home in McDonough, Henry County, Georgia.

    A simple notice had been placed in the local papers indicating the route to be taken and the approximate time.

    You won’t believe what happened along the way, all the way from Atlanta to McDonough.

    Warning, hankies required.

    www dot youtube dot com/watch?v=9306gUTzUOc&eurl

  54. Obama just ignored the simple first question (basically, “What do you want and have to told Congress, if not, why not?) and instead drones on about what he describes as “the problem”.

    If Obama could not answer the very easy to predict first question, he is going to have a very long night.

  55. We might be the only Americans watching this droning publicity stunt. Obama is going on and on and on and it is only the first question. The second question is equally ignored and it looks like the answer will be just as long.

  56. Now is’nt it funny when you mention the word Illinois, the words corruption, fraud, embexxlement and criminal come straight back at ya 2 seconds later.

    Here’s today roll call straight from the DOJ.

    Illinois Investment Advisor Charged with Embezzling $24 Million

    and then there is

    Illinois Businessman Charged in $77 Million Ponzi Scheme

    ……………………………….

    CHICAGO, IL—The co-owner and president of a Chicago-based company that invested union pension funds was charged in an information filed by the United States Attorney’s Office with allegedly embezzling approximately $24 million. The information alleges that, between approximately 2002 and September 2006, John A. Orecchio stole the funds while acting as the investment manager at his firm, AA Capital Partners, formerly located 10 S. LaSalle Street, Chicago, Illinois.
    ——————————

    CHICAGO, IL—A suburban businessman who offered and sold purported investments to hundreds of investors was charged in an information filed yesterday by the United States Attorney’s Office with allegedly operating a more than 20-year Ponzi scheme that resulted in more than 300 investors sustaining losses totaling over $31.5 million. The information alleges that, over the years, Frank A. Castaldi fraudulently induced more than 450 investors to invest over $77 million in purported six-month promissory notes, which Castaldi falsely represented would pay guaranteed returns of 10 percent to 15 percent.

    Would any of us be bothered if Illinois was razed to the ground to clean out the infestation because it just seems that is like the epicentre of corruption.

  57. I guess everyone is watching the O-hole. I can’t bear to switch on the tv in case it commits suicide due to the extreme level of bullshit pouring from its speakers. Last time, the tv complained and switched itself over to Teletubbies. I think it was trying to tell me something.

  58. I just want one question to be asked by one mad journalist.

    Will I need my birth certificate, to sign up for your health program, Mr President.

    I think his head would explode on live TV.

  59. Obama says he is not blaming Republicans, just fighting misinformation. Chuck Todd is incapable of asking a question in a coherent manner.

    Obama is now making excuses for why Dimocrats are not 100% happy with his “proposals”.

    Jake Tapper’s turn and he says that Obama is not talking about sacrifices. “What sacrifices?” Obama says Americans will have to give up what does not make them healthy.

    Obama is completely unprepared for these simple questions and is only responding with anecdotes about things that do not work. Obama is trying the ol’ Razzle Dazzle – and it does not seem to be working.

  60. “THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE UP….PAYING FOR THINGS THAT DON’T MAKE THEM HEALTHY!”

    WTF

    Oh that ones gonna go down like a lead baloon with the triple whopper brigade.

  61. Obama is going down like the Hindenburg with quotes like that, thats the money quote, people will take away from this. Obama wants to take away the luxuries.

    Jesus, they were right, Obama is gonna fuck up his whole presidency on Healthcare, this is going to go down in flames.

  62. Watch out senior citizens and terminally ill, Obama wants you all to just suck it up and die by the sounds of it.

  63. BO just can’t help himself…he just has to blame the past administration a bit. He does sound somewhat defensive. He does not seem to be knowledgeable about answering the questions asked.

    Hillary, Hillary whereforth are thou. We need an adult in the White House.

  64. i love it, best quote of the day.

    “my sis works for the PO. Today a carrier picked up a medical bill from a box, written on the outside “Forward to Barack Obama in care of health care reform!!! …. I need to find a bill to forward to him”

  65. Southern Born, Bambi’s talking like the 9 yr old kid who just got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

  66. the press conference is a monumental FAILURE.

    No one can follow it. The Press look bewildered, he’s rambling, not answering questions.

    He looks and sounds like a used car salesman who realizes he’s losing the sale for the family car.

  67. Who took the cookies from the cookie jar? Did you take the cookies from the cookie jar? Barackie took the cookies from the cookie jar.

    Yes, indeed. Even my first grade class could put in little Barack’s name and make the rhyme.

  68. MoonOnPluto, now Obama is saying that with the public option in the “bill”, Americans will have the same options as he and congressmembers.

    The reporter asked why he and congress don’t agree to go with this legislation in their own personal lives – which led to this laughable answer.

    Someone needs to point out that Obama is pushing a “plan” that does not exist.

  69. He doesn’t want the insurance companies to “profit”…

    All those IDIOTS were for Barry before he was elected..all of them!

    They’d shoot him first before they let him do that. What an O-hole.

  70. Americans will have the same options as he and congressmembers. Can you see any of those guys lying in the next hospital bed to some junkie or ghetto mom because thats what he’s implying.

    No way.

  71. Obama just answered a question to a reporter he thought was Steve Koff.

    Lynn Sweet comes to his rescue with a question about Professor Gates at Harvard.

  72. It’s over. Eleven questions, zero answers.

    No doubt the Hopium addled with love this performance because Obama did not answer questions but instead droned on with whatever he wanted to say.

    However, this performance hurts Obama because Obama needed desperately to “move the ball forward”. Instead he just droned and did not give any impression he could be trusted.

    This is a waste for Obama and continues the downward trend.

    Obama needed to make a compelling case for his nonexistent “plan” and also to get the Blue Dogs to move to help him out of Waterloo.

    The Hopium addled will cheer, Americans will raise eyebrows and have more questions and resistance than ever.

  73. That Bozo just made it totally possible for the Republicans to take back the house and possible the Senate next year. The whole thing is going to be a total mess with bozo in charge.

    Amaericans ought to be scared to death watching him tonight.

  74. All Obama did tonight is reaffirm with surety what everyone was thinking….

    His fake-it till you make-it time is expired!

    His ship has left the dock and been set adrift.

  75. Admin…

    please do the honors and embed

    youtube.com/watch?v=XTCT6J2hO9M

    It’s all downhill for Bambi from here on in-

  76. I want to be very careful not to make my remarks seem callous and indifferent, but I have been practicing law for over 22 yrs and now just slightly fit into that class of people whom Obama wants to surcharge to pay for others health care. Now, growing up a lower middle class liberal, I was always a champion of the poor. I have repeatedly voted against my economic interests . Yet, I pay for a family of 5 3055.54 a month for health insurance (kids 3, 13, and 15, wife 39, and I am 46). All of us are in good health except I take .75 synthroid and flomax for a slightly narrow prostate. My premiums have risen every year from 464 when it was me and my wife till today’s premium. When my wife had our last child, it still cost me 1500 out of pocket expenses.
    Now, I have sevseveral employees and I don’t provide healthcare. I do provide a supplemental afflect plan they can take part of their salary into as well as 2 weeks vacation pay. If I am forced to provide each of my staff healthcare, and face an additional 5-6k dollar a yt tax to pay for Universal heealthcare, I will have to let 2-3 people off to maintain my current income stream. So, what it comes down to is it fair to have people who earn well pay the cost for others, at the expense of reducing millions of jobs in my opinion. While the current system needs reform, it is the insurab\nce companies and doctors that should reduce their fees , and not simply thoise who are fortunate to earn well.

  77. He looked and sounded as immature and naive as his policies. He’s going down, down, down.

    Damn this country is in deep shit with this boob at the wheel.

  78. I just don’t think it’s right to make anyone else pay for health care for other Americans. There IS a way to cover us all without the treachery and thievery and the plain stupidity.

    Here is example. I have NO health insurance. I had to go for a detailed office visit today, it cost me $150.00 to see the doctor and 90.00 for my meds. I have had cancer so I have been denied coverage repeatedly.

    I have an order for 3 MRI’s and you know what they are going to cost me each .. an this is at a cut rate place .. $300.00 EACH.

    Isn’t someone on this forum a MD? I have an order for Cervical, Thoracic and Lumbar MRI .. shouldn’t that be available as a Full Back MRI? The way this order is made out it makes me get 3 separate.

  79. A few observations, after catching up on a bunch of posts:

    1) JanH and jbstonesfan, from what Hillary said today at a press conference, there is no concession on Iran developing nuclear weapons.

    2) I totally agree with Carville’s comments on Hillary. She was far and away the best candidate running, but her campaign didn’t do her justice.

    3) What everyone is learning is what we already knew: When it comes to actual governing, Obama is sorely lacking. That’s because his ascendancy to the WH was based largely on a personality cult and very little on policy. Hillary, on the other hand, was the exact opposite: a candidate of obvious competency and substance who was dismissed because all that stuff is, you know, so boring. Charisma won, and now we’re paying the price.

  80. Can this really be happening this way. I don’t understand how you can do so badly, with all the high paid staff around you. With HRC giving great press conferences, taking questions from the field, and giving knowledgeable intelligent answers, and O bearly able to discuss anything on point, you got to wonder what will happen. If he quits talking, he has just shut down his most successful atribute. If he continues to talk, and not on point, people are beginning to notice the same tired speech.

    What happen during the primary is he mesmerized the crowded with promises of everything, but giving no specifics, and they bought it, to include some legislative leaders in this country, that should have know better. I can still see some of those old duds gussing about how their children change their minds. They are the wisdom of this country, and they should have changed their childrens minds and opened their eyes.

    I will not hold my breath for the same health that the federal legislative bodies have, as that just will not happen.

    Basil9, hang in there. They do have some wonderful new techniques.

  81. basil09 .. hankies still in hand !!!

    Bless all those people who turned out to show their support.

    Some things in our country STILL matter. You know I needed to see that. I’m in complete turmoil right now and I know that you are dealing with so many health problems

  82. It will be a cold day in Hexx when my children, whom I love and think are intelligent, will ever change my political opinion. I have, and continue to know more about the parties and the issues than they do, and I have the experience and wisdom to decide what is crxp and what is not.

    C R A P

  83. Over at MotherJones magazine, there is general agreement with the impressions of the publicity stunt as expressed here. From Kevin Drum:

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2009/07/press-conference-liveblogging

    Half an hour into tonight’s press conference Barack Obama has answered a grand total of three questions. This is not a good performance. He really needs to pick up the pace and make his answers crisper and more comprehensible.

    UPDATE: Aside from the rambling nature of his replies, I don’t think Obama has been good on substance either. His opening statement had a little bit of good stuff about healthcare security, but he’s spent the vast bulk of his time on deficits and cost cutting. That’s just not a good sales job.

    UPDATE 2: All done. I’m curious to hear what other people thought, but this really struck me as nowhere near his usual performance. Obama avoided giving direct answers, rambled a lot, kept interrupting himself with asides, and didn’t explain things in terms that ordinary viewers were likely to understand. He’s supposed to be the communicator-in-chief, but I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of people came away more confused than they were when they tuned in. Bottom line: There were bits and pieces that were fine, but overall I’d give it a C-. Other comments?

  84. JBStonesfan, your remarks were not callous, it’s called reality. Stories like yours are why intelligence is required from a trustworthy source to get this massive effort done. Hillary we trust, Obama no.

    As Basil9 and Dot48 and others show, there are a lot of anecdotes which demonstrate the need to have done this right. But the Dimocrats traded good medicine for the lure of Hopium.

  85. dot48, I am not a physician, but I am an xray tech. I do Ct and am familiar with MRI. These are 3 different exams and are done separately. I don’t know who in the world made it 3 different exams, but it is the same way for regular xray, CT and MRI. I imagine the Doctors and the Hospitals did it a long time ago.
    JUst as I say though, they are separate and done separately. All done at the same time, but each part of the spine has a different set of protocols to follow in order to show all pathology. So therefore 3 different charges.

  86. Moononpluto@ 9:10, thats is exactly what the republicans are banking on. Now, we must continue to point out the F(*kUps/, otherwise we will have BUSH 4.

  87. as⋅sail  /əˈseɪl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [uh-seyl] Show IPA
    Use assails in a Sentence
    –verb (used with object) 1. to attack vigorously or violently; assault.
    2. to attack with arguments, criticism, ridicule, abuse, etc.: to assail one’s opponent with slander.
    3. to undertake with the purpose of mastering: He assailed his studies with new determination.
    4. to impinge upon; make an impact on; beset: His mind was assailed by conflicting arguments. The light assailed their eyes.

    So those that listened, did that really happen????

  88. “I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of people came away more confused than they were when they tuned in”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The people Obama addressed tonight are divided into 3 groups. A group like us who know what he is, His supporters who know who he is but choose to remain in denial, and his former supporters who are sick to death of his lies and broken promises who will probably turn in disgust and go silent stagnating the waters.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I like Carville, always have. What I like most about him is his friendship and loyalty thru thick and thin to Bill and Hillary. I wonder at times how the outcome of HC’s campaign would have been different if he was her campaign’s crew chief.

  89. wonder at times how the outcome of HC’s campaign would have been different if he was her campaign’s crew chief.
    *********
    In retrospect, the same outcome. The fix was in before the ’04 convention to deny Hillary the nomination, ever.

  90. The gossip columnist at Politico finally has some actual news to publish. Usually the stories are about movie stars or Jenna Bush changing her hair color or Michelle Obama cutting her hair. But tonight there is this interesting anecdote from an intern in a Democratic congressman’s office:

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/anneschroeder/0709/Rep_John_Larson_DConn_constituents_hate_Obama.html?showall

    Andrew Elash has peppered his Facebook page with updates about what it’s like answering phones for Larson. It started out simply enough, with this update “Larson’s office. Lots of callers angry about healthcare!!”

    Then this one: “One more constituent screaming at me about healthcare before lunch would be great. Please? No, the government will not invade your house and force you to accept public healthcare. But we will take your phone.”

    And of course, this doozy: “Constituents hate the healthcare bill. They hate Obama. They tell me there’s no crisis. One woman even said healthcare would be less expensive if gangs in cities stopped shooting each other and sending each other to the ER. Golly!! THAT’S why healthcare is so expensive!! THAT’S the problem!! Inner city gangs…”

    “They hate Obama?” That could be news to Larson, as his spokesman Emily Baroca told Shenan, “Andrew is an intern in our District Office in Hartford. In speaking with our staff there and in Washington, DC, his posts are not representative of the opinions of constituents in our district or of the calls and emails our offices have received.”

  91. In our local news they have those conservative doctors on spouting that tired old saying ” do you want heathcare between you and your doctor or you and the govt.”? I had insurance, my husband has MS and the doctor ordered a full spine MRI, the insurance company only approved the upper and middle spine and would not pay for the lower spine. Folks that is rationing straight from the lousy insurance companies.
    This is what causes meaningful real healthcare reform to fail every single time. Now I am not advocating this bill, but this will be said over and over and would even be said if Hillary was POTUS and this still would be happening.
    Obama is an idiot because he can’t explain the program, because as one guy said today he doesn’t have the brains the a BC or HRC has.

  92. SHV:

    “In retrospect, the same outcome. The fix was in before the ‘04 convention to deny Hillary the nomination, ever.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Agree- I can’t help thinking Carville would have been more aware and into external discovery and taken them for a hell of a ride down to the bitter end. At least, I can fantasize.

  93. admin Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    ewwww.. things are starting to get messy-

    I hate when that happens… heh!

  94. Confloyd, the “program” doesn’t do jack to stop the insurers from rationing your treatment.
    ************
    That is why “do you want heathcare between you and your doctor or you and the govt.”? is utter and complete Bullsh*t. I would much rather negotiate with the government than the Insurance Companies. With the government, there are mechanisms for appeal and you have a chance. With the Insurance companies they run you in circles with paperwork and if enough money is involved, you need a lawyer. The Insurance companies practice medicine by economic blackmail. With the “disallows” payment denials, co-pays etc., even with the best insurance most people are one accident or illness away from personal bankruptcy.

  95. Yeah, SHV, I agree. But no one is addressing the GD insurance system between you and your doctor because the Dem’s don’t have a plan that addresses that. If they were just giving everyone Medicare they could have that debate.

  96. this really struck me as nowhere near his usual performance. Obama avoided giving direct answers, rambled a lot, kept interrupting himself with asides, and didn’t explain things in terms that ordinary viewers were likely to understand
    ————————————
    ????

    How is that any different than his “usual” performance? Perhaps the hopium is wearing off in certain quarters. Cold turkey baby. Not a Mount Rushmore performance, he just assailed away into the sunset.

  97. I just went over to the otherside. TM is railing against Obama, saying he missed his moment. He said he should have had some of the women who actually understand HC to deliver the speech. She says he is losing ground, so my guess he is.
    Dailykids, a mixture, some had our views and others ready to have the rich pay for everyone. Obama is still the messiah though.

  98. “Dailykids, a mixture, some had our views and others ready to have the rich pay for everyone. Obama is still the messiah though.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The same three food groups I mentioned upthread. The trick is to get under the messiah lovers skin and PO’d at the denyers.

  99. Mrs Smith, here is Hillary in her own words talking about the CFR.h t t p:// www .you tube. com/ watch?v =oQQPXxFu6JM

  100. TM is railing against Obama, saying he missed his moment.
    ********
    “F” Michelle Marshall; she is an opportunist who fails at whatever she does.

  101. Clinton Discusses Relationship With Obama

    By Glenn Kessler
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, July 22, 2009

    PHUKET, Thailand, July 22 — Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Wednesday that President Obama agreed to give her “an enormous amount of authority . . . really everything I asked for” before she agreed to take the job of chief U.S. diplomat.

    Clinton made the remarks during an expansive one-hour interview with Thai television in Bangkok before she flew to this resort island for a regional security forum. The interview with two energetic questioners took place before a live audience in a former king’s palace built in 1909.

    Clinton said she was “very surprised” when her former rival for the Democratic nomination asked her to become secretary of state. “He said, ‘Look, I really need you and I believe that we can have a great relationship.’ And we do. It’s been everything I could have hoped for,” Clinton said.

    She added that her first response when Obama called her was to give him a list of names of people she thought “would be so much better. . . . But as you have seen watching on TV, he is very persuasive.”

    Speculation has risen in official Washington that Clinton has lost some of her luster and the State Department has been sidelined, with much of the foreign-policy power residing in the White House. But Clinton dismissed that, saying the rumors were the result of her reduced travel schedule after she broke her elbow in June.

    “What happened is I broke my elbow. Very sad. I tripped and fell, but luckily I didn’t hit my head. I hit my elbow and it broke in two,” Clinton said. She then had to cancel plans to do a solo European trip and to join the president on another trip to Russia.

    “I’m not with the president on the trip and all of sudden everyone said ‘Ooooh . . . she’s disappeared.’ I’m thinking, gosh, I’m here, actually here.”

    Clinton said that from her own experience living in the White House as first lady, she understands that the president is always going to be the top policy-maker. “The president is the president. You know, I tried to be the president but I was not successful,” she said to loud applause. “But I know — the president is the president.”

    The questioners pressed Clinton on her run for the presidency and whether she still entertained the notion of running again.

    “That’s not anything I’m at all thinking about,” she replied.

    She was asked if she had ever given up hope, and she said: “I don’t know, but I doubt very much that anything like that will ever be part of my life.”

    Is it wait and see? “No, no, no, no.”

    Finally, one questioner pressed, “Never say never,” and Clinton seemed to shut the door.

    “Well, I am saying no because I have a very committed attitude to the job I have and so that’s not at all on my radar screen.”

    washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/22/AR2009072200872.html?hpid=moreheadlines

  102. prior to bambi’s televised circus…

    Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:41 PM

    TV Guide: Viewers Prefer Regular Shows to Obama

    Holly Bailey

    We’re still over an hour away from the kick-off of President Obama’s news conference, but here’s some discouraging news for the White House: TV Guide polled its online audience to see whether they’d rather watch an Obama event or regular primetime TV. Guess what? A majority—62 percent of those polled—say they rather be watching their TV shows. Granted, it’s an online poll and not very scientific. But it’s no secret here in the White House press room that the networks don’t like interrupting their regular primetime programming for Obama events. Their beef: It costs them millions in lost advertising revenue. In fact, there was a little drama about the timing of all of this. Initially, the White House had announced that the news conference would begin tonight at 9pm, but NBC reportedly balked. (They have an interview with Susan Boyle, a Dick Cheney fave, airing tonight.) In hopes of getting more coverage, administration officials decided to move up the start time an hour earlier. They still lost out with Fox, though–which is sticking with its scheduled airing of So You Think You Can Dance.

    blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2009/07/22/tv-guide-viewers-prefer-regular-shows-to-obama.aspx

  103. Most ordinary folks have no idea what the man said, and STILL have no idea what the hell this healthcare bill does.

    But they know we have to hurry up and do “it” (whatever it is) right away without reading or thinking about it, because…um…Obama got some letters, and it made him sad.

    And he’s not blaming nor has he ever blamed Republicans for all that stuff he inherited that is all Bush’s fault.

    He’s pulled the economy back from the brink, but it’s still not his problem nor is anything that happens going forward his fault.

    We are going to have to sacrifice things that don’t make us healthy, and that will pay for healthcare. (huh?)

    Kids with constant throat infections won;t get their tonsils out, because doctor Obama says so.. Tough titty if it hurts, kid – suck it up and eat some ice cream.

    Take some red or blue pills and chill, man.

    Oh, and policemen are stupid.

    That, my friends, is a massive failure for Obama.

  104. Janh, I don’t like the sound of that. She needs to be the POTUS. What have they done to her??? SHe could have won over every naysayer tonight. SHe could have given statistics, stories and meat on how the bill would be delivered to the American people.
    Doofcock, just says we are going to get it thru. Hell, I could of done better than than and I know everyone of you could have to.

  105. I am so confused. Krugman thinks Obama shows such “command of the issues”, What the heck is he seeing? Has he even read the health care bill? Why would Krugman support this POS?

  106. If they were just giving everyone Medicare they could have that debate.
    ***********
    It looks as if the Insurance Companies are safe with Obama care. The plan now appear to be to gut Medicare in order to meet funding guidelines. “Entitlement reform”….people though Obama was just talking..

    “There has been intense interest in providing the administration with greater control over Medicare spending in order to bend down the trajectory of projected increases in spending. Members of Congress and the administration have been considering an Independent Medical Advisory Council (IMAC) much like the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPAC), but with one very important difference.

    Currently MedPAC serves only in an advisory capacity to Congress, and any recommendations must be specifically enacted by Congress. Under this proposal, IMAC would have the power to put into force these recommendations, with the approval of the President. Congress’s power would be limited to the ability to reject, by a joint resolution of Congress, the intact, full package of IMAC reforms and updates.”
    ******

    Basically if this goes through, the President can cut Medicare benefits and there isn’t much that congress can do about it. More Czars and WH advisory groups that bypass the Congress. Forget about “bending down the cost

    trajectory” by eliminating the $600+ billion that the insurance companies suck out of the system every year, gut medicare. It is interesting how quiet AARP has been.

  107. confloyd,

    She’s just being a team player. I think this way she is saying point blank that these are his policies and visions she is following and I’m fine with that. He can take the blame for his diplomatic messes.

  108. I am so confused. Krugman thinks Obama shows such “command of the issues”,
    **********
    Any criticism of Obama is still a potential landmine. Look what happened to Dan Froomkin. Krugman can comment about the “numbers” but if he told the truth that Obama doesn’t give a sh*t about any of this policy stuff, he would be run out of town as a racist.

  109. confloyd Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    It was the “who is more intelligent” video I was referring to that wasn’t working.

  110. I wish I could find out where I read that Obama fired one of his Secret Service guys today. THe guard apparently went to him over some of the family members constant complaining. I wonder who it was?? I heard the guy went to him to get relief and Obama just replaced him. What a guy.

  111. Mrs. Smith, did you ever see the whole thing is quiet interesting. I’ ll go look again. We really should post this video here.

  112. SHV, no, he’s literally praising him, so I don’t think that’s it. i really do not get it.

    BTD doesn’t really give two shits about liberal policy so you know, whatever.

  113. Mrs. Smith, the video is working , its a very long one, 10.5 minutes. Its really great, this guy really compares BC to Obama very well. He is very specific in his argument in the comparison between the two POTUS’S. I really enjoyed it and it even tells about a incident when BC was on the DMZ in South Korea and what BC said to a reporter. Its good.

  114. OK, confloyd, the video is working. The video is a good sign America is waking up. Obama has to fess up to his masters he’s not doing very well anymore keeping the masses sedated with his mastery of the T-prompter.

    Rest assured he’s getting pressure from the real ‘dark’ side, disappointed he hasn’t kept up the facade of a US president very well, considering, they’ve given him every perc and positive spin from the daily media cover. He agreed to everything they asked him to do because, he thinks he’s ‘special.’ (If I’m not mistaken, he said it himself, he believed his destiny is to be famous.)

    Let’s see what he looks like first thing tomorrow am… that will tell the story.

  115. Mrs. Smith, I agree. When Obama said “they are ruining by Presidency”, it makes you wonder who promised him he would have a “walk in the park” during his stent? I bet they promised him and easy road, lots of vacations and too be famous when he was all done. For sure we know he isn’t working hard, because he doesn’t seem to know a darn thing.

  116. Ben Smith at Politico:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25320.html

    President Barack Obama came alive about 50 minutes into Wednesday night’s news conference – when somebody finally changed the subject.

    The president’s remarks on his chosen subject, health care, were cautious and choreographed, hemmed in on one side by the calculations of his professional wordsmiths, on the other by the delicacy of negotiations with two houses of Congress.

    He never detailed his own plan, or named a single victim of America’s broken system, and he spoke largely in the abstractions of blue pills, red pills, and legislative processes. It’s not easy to turn delivery system reform into a rallying cry for change, but at times, it was as if Obama wasn’t even trying.

    His dryness was all the more striking by contrast with the press conference’s conclusion, when he suddenly re-engaged with a question that he’s spent much of his life mulling, race, in the form of the arrest of a black Harvard professor.

    The appearance was striking by its absence of a move that’s long characterized Obama’s political career: When in trouble, go big. Faced with a crisis of confidence or with a political furor, he’s repeatedly shown an ability to rise above the storm, and to broaden the playing field, as when he turned a flap over his pastor into a meditation on race in America.

    Now, facing his hardest test as President, Obama chose to go small.

    In the bulk of the news conference, the president marched through a series of parries and recalibrations in his effort to steer a change in America’s health insurance system to passage this year. His goals were transparent, and defensive: He sought to reframe his plans as a matter of improving the lives of most Americans, not just rescuing the uninsured, and to remind voters that he’s trying to avert a health care crisis, not to provoke one. [snip]

    But instead of shaking the rafters, he spent most of his hour just checking rhetorical boxes, with language so poll-tested and focus-grouped, it was bleached of life.

    “Health care reform,” for instance, became “health insurance reform” – a formula that steers away from unsettling suggestions that the government will disrupt Americans’ relations with beloved family doctors, rather than equalizing relations with hated insurance companies. [snip]

    But he rarely seemed deeply emotionally engaged with the human facts of health care, and kept his remarks to a level of abstraction that recalled the old knock on Obama the candidate — too aloof, too detached.

    “I’m rushed because I get letters every day from families that are being clobbered by health care costs, and they ask me, ‘Can you help,’” he said, but didn’t elaborate, Clinton-style, on the circumstances in the letters. He described a hypothetical child having an unnecessary tonsillectomy because of perverse insurance incentives, but didn’t make clear whether he was talking about an actual child.

    He added in a puzzling abstraction about cost containment: “If there’s a blue pill and a red pill, and the blue pill is half the price of the red pill and works just as well, why not pay half price for the thing that’s going to make you well?” he asked.

    And Obama repeatedly made the case that cost savings would be found in rationalizing health care without any painful sacrifices.

  117. In case anyone missed an earlier comment on Obama’s opening TelePrompter statement (no doubt the well educated Left Talkers who think Obama is FDR missed it) let’s restate what is now clear and no longer denied: Obama’s efforts are about insurance and not about health care. It’s a distinction with a very big difference.

    Chris Frates at Politico:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25312.html

    If you haven’t been paying attention, you might have missed it. But with the substitution of one word, President Barack Obama was able to redirect his health care message from uninsured Americans to those who already have insurance.

    In his Wednesday night address, Obama talked about “health insurance reform” a noticeable shift from the “health care reform” he had been talking up until late last week.

    With support for reform softening, Obama attempted to move the conversation away from the talk of taxes, public plans and the other divisive issues dominating Congress and the headlines back to how his reforms would help the 160 million Americans who already have insurance. The pivot was an attempt to reframe the bill as something that directly benefits most Americans, instead of a subsidy for the uninsured.

    “I realize that with all the charges and criticisms being thrown around in Washington, many Americans may be wondering, ‘What’s in this for me? How does my family stand to benefit from health insurance reform?’” Obama asked. “This is not just about the 47 million Americans who have no health insurance. Reform is about every American who has ever feared that they may lose their coverage if they become too sick, or lose their job, or change their job.”

    Obama used the term ‘health insurance reform” in his Saturday radio address and repeated it again on Monday when he jabbed the insurance industry, saying: “Even as America’s families have been battered by spiraling health care costs, health insurance companies and their executives have reaped windfall profits from a broken system.”

    Linda Douglass, a spokeswoman for the White House Office of Health Reform, explained the shift saying, “Much of health reform is health insurance reform: getting rid of pre-existing conditions, discrimination based on age or gender, rescissions, in which insurance companies suddenly withdraw coverage when you get sick.” [snip]

    ‘I think they’re pivoting because they’re looking at cratering poll numbers that people are seriously concerned about too much government, too much spending and turning health care over to Washington. And they’re trying to change that story and looking for a boogeyman,” said a health care insider. “People aren’t buying what they’re selling so they’re trying to change the subject.”

    Emphasizing insurance reform also allows Obama to begin highlighting insurance market changes as a principal part of reform, and not as an also-ran to its glitzier partner, the government-run health insurance option.

    “If Obama’s unable to reach a consensus, a bipartisan package on a public plan and financing, then this may be opening the door to a fallback position of insurance market reform,” said health care consultant Phil Blando. “That may be wishful thinking on my part, but it’s possible.”

    Perhaps a bit ironically, Obama’s recent message dovetails with the industry. America’s Health Insurance Plans began airing a national television ad this week that promotes providing affordable coverage for everybody that doesn’t deny insurance to those with pre-existing health conditions.

  118. Obama is trying to spin Heath Care as a pretext to saving the economy-

    Now that is a real insult to the publics intelligence..

    From the last paragraph of the msm article..

    Obama: Overhaul won’t add to deficit

    msnbc.msn.com/id/32091708/ns/politics-white_house/

    “It’s created the impression that the administration is trying to have it all ways.
    For example, Obama insisted from the beginning the overhaul won’t add to the deficit. But this week his budget director said that pledge doesn’t include an estimated $245 billion in the House bill to restore programmed cuts in Medicare payments to doctors.
    It’s unclear how Obama will move forward. Bipartisan talks continue in the Senate, but there seems to be little chance of resuming the civil dialogue Obama sought to launch at the beginning by inviting all sides to a White House summit on health care.
    “We need to put the brakes on this president,” Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., told NBC on Wednesday. “His goal seems to be a government takeover, not making insurance more available. So I do think we need to stop the president on this.”

  119. The word from the man on the street.

    The “politics of personal destruction” are a thing of the past.

    Obama’s politics are the “politics of mass destruction” of the entire country.

  120. According to Larouche, Obama’s speech tonight made him libel for impeachment. He quotes someplace in the constitution, but he apparently hates this Nazi healthcare plan as he calls it.

  121. Breaking news is that we have killed Bin Ladin son several months ago. So why are we just know hearing about it. There is not body, but the military is 85% sure it was him. So why wait until now. He was killed by a hellfire missile at the beginning of the year, so now Bambi is in the hotseat with HC, he needs to say he has killed and Bin Laden.

  122. If you haven’t been paying attention, you might have missed it. But with the substitution of one word, President Barack Obama was able to redirect his health care message from uninsured Americans to those who already have insurance.
    ———————————-
    Without preconditons becomes without preparations. Its like that line in Alice in Wonderland. I can use words to mean anything I want them to mean. Wait a minute that was King Obama.

  123. I am told that when Hillary was in Thailand she made two comments about Iran. The first statement was the one noted, that we will extend our nuclear umbrella. I thought that was a good thing for her to say in order to prevent a nuclear arms race in the middle east. The second statement she made was that we have ways of bringing down Iran and the implication was that they had until the September g-8 meeting to stop the killing etc. or there will be consequeces. Interestingly, the senate is meeting with the neocons and that suggests there may be some covert plan in play to overthrow the Iranian govt. It seems like she is back to running foreign policy while Bambi saves the economy by destroying it.

  124. Sounds like bambi hit a grand slam home run with that press conference. The press cannot get enough of him and always have such nice things to say about him. Nauseous/

  125. Thanks Admin and moononpluto for the play by play.

    I couldn’t stand to watch it and went to bed real early.

  126. Thanks Confloyd, re the mri info. I’m calling the clinic today and see if I can negotiate a better rate. I may have to get 2 done first and then 2 more later.

    I have severe shoulder pain but neck pain as well. My old mri reports bulging discs in my lumbar area which are bothersome. The old mri didn’t show any neck issue but the shoulder pain IMO needs looked at first.

    Of course I have no insurance so this all my be moot.

  127. After last night’s major flop, I think we should give the dims a new theme song…

    youtube.com/watch?v=7xaBsOAYGaw

  128. Breaking New 30 people arrested, including 2 Mayors, in Federal probe of corruption in NJ.

    I guess they don’t have time to check Os campaign contribution. They are too busy with McCain, Palin, and NJ.

  129. Good Morning.

    It wonder how people reconcile the medias view of what went on last night, and what the internet sites said went on. I assume we will get a count on number of viewers. Maybe the judgement will come when people vote on how much they like him again.

  130. Last night we saw what it is like to be a deer in the headlights.He knows he is losing his support here at home and around the world.Realism has hit him and he is rapidly approaching the Ihttp://www.rezkowatch.blogspot.com/MPEACHMENT point in his short political charade as POTUS.Meantime back on the road and working around
    the clock and enjoying applause,
    and confidence like no other SOS in our history.

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  131. Alert!!!!

    House GOP to label Acorn a criminal enterprise and calls for FBI to start an investigation of fraud,tax evasion and
    various other serious crimes.

    Last night press conference truly was
    his Waterloo and he knew it before he entered the room.The beauty of all thi is that President Hillary is ready and able to step into the Oval Office and close out this horrible chapter in our country’s glorious past history.

    By ABM90

  132. JanH

    I use to love that song. The Righteous Brothers were great, and what great voices. I going to download that to my Ipod. YOU,VE LOST THAT LOVING FEELING.

  133. I went and looked at what happen at Waterloo. Napolean was OK against the Duke, however the Prussian’s arrived and he was doomed. So I guess the Duke are the Reps, and the Prussian’s are the Blue Democrats, the media, THE VOTERS.

    Yes, fighting on two fronts is hard. THIS IS SUCH A HARD JOB, THIS IS SO COMPLEX, NO ONE EXPECTED THIS ECONOMY TO BE SO BAD.

  134. And what about the liberals, NMF? Again, you seem not to understand that the best argument against this health plan is the liberal argument.

  135. MJ

    I assume you mean the rest of the Dims, outside of the blue dems, who seem to be having doubts. I agree, but I don’t trust them, as they have a way of folding in. Just my thoughts.

  136. I am not talking about politicians. I’m talking about regular people who are outraged by this give-away to insurers.

  137. And, what does that mean anyway? you now trust republicans and blue dogs with your health care? Well, won’t you be surprised when the blue dogs get their concessions and vote for this thing, and the Republicans are smiling all the way to the bank because they know the safety net has been broken and we’re stuck with private, profit insurance for the next twenty years, AND it’s the Democrats fault. There is no one to trust here.

  138. BTW, Hillary will be on “Meet the Press” for the whole hour on Sunday.

    And I’ll say again that I agree with mj’s comments on health care.

  139. What’s the deal with the White House press corps?

    July 23, 2009 – 8:49am

    WASHINGTON – What’s the deal with the White House press corps?
    That’s what WTOP Political Commentator Mark Plotkin wants to know.

    Plotkin is challenging the status quo in his morning commentary.

    His commentary is transcribed below:

    Last night the President had a press conference. But where was the press? I know they were sitting in their designated seats politely waiting to be selected to ask a question.

    They all know the drill. The president has prepared for him a short list of the annointed few. They get to stand up, speak in the microphone and have their 15 seconds of fame.

    I don’t fault the President for trying to control the press. But I ask you, why does the press go along? There is not one moment of spontaneity. The questioners are tipped off, in advance, by the White House and they behave accordingly.

    No. Not one questions about Iraq. Not one questions about Afghanistan, where American troops have had the worst month of fatalities in eight years. These guys, and women, are not journalists. They’re enablers.

    wtop.com/?sid=1723996&nid=116

  140. MJ

    You are right, it is hard to trust anyone anymore. But I don’t agree that passing anything for health care is the solution in a time when we need to straighten out the economy. Something is better than nothing, maybe we have already lived with that for 50 years when FDR passed SS but did not include UHC at that time. You have to have a leader who can get in there with the law makers and reach the right compromise, and make the funding happen.

    O will just use the anything passed to get re-elected. So I vote for getting him out of there in 2012, and get a leader in that can do that. Yes, I am saying wait three more years.

    I know that hurts a lot of people, but I can no longer stand the crap they pass as legislation, and never go back to repair.

  141. Rassmussen, well looky here. Tide is turning, they are waking up

    Fifty-three percent (53%) of U.S. voters say President Obama is now governing like a partisan Democrat, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.

    Just 32% say the president is governing in a bipartisan fashion, while 15% are not sure. But it is important to note that the survey was taken prior to the president’s Wednesday prime-time press conference and his expanded effort to sell his health care reform plan.

    These numbers are holding relatively steady for the second month in a row. But just after the president took office in late January, only 39% of voters said he was governing in a partisan fashion while 42% said he was being bipartisan.

    Sixty-nine percent (69%) of Republicans think Obama is governing like a partisan Democrat, which is perhaps no surprise, but most voters (58%) not affiliated with either major party agree. Forty-four percent (44%) of Democrats believe the president is being bipartisan, but 36% disagree.

  142. Also, anyone else noticing the generic ballot is trending republican for a while now

    Support for Republican congressional candidates has reached its highest level in over two years as the GOP lengthens its lead over Democrats in the latest edition of the Generic Ballot.

    A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 42% would vote for their district’s Republican congressional candidate while 38% would opt for the Democratic candidate.

    Support for Republican candidates rose two points over the past week, while support for Democratic candidates is up one point. Last week, support for Democrats fell to its lowest level in over two years.

  143. If this debacle of a bill is passed, why in the heck is it going to take at least 3 years to begin implementation and more than that for full implementation? Medicare was started for millions of senior within 11 months. This bill smells to high heaven and no one can explain what it contains in a coherent manner.

  144. So it was a big ole waste of time

    A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that only 25% of U.S. voters now say the stimulus plan has helped the economy. That’s a six-point drop from a month ago.

    Thirty-one percent (31%) say the stimulus actually hurt the economy, little changed from a month ago. However, this is the first poll showing that more voters believe the plan hurt rather than helped.

    A plurality (36%) says the plan has had no impact.

    Suck that one up Bambi, you are a failure.

  145. Birdgal, its a ruse, Bambi wants something to try and sell a 2nd term on, if he starts it before 2012 then it fails miserably and he’s screwed, so he starts it in 2013 saying we fixed healthcare and i deserve a 2nd term, thats what its about.

  146. mj Says:
    July 23rd, 2009 at 10:23 am
    And, what does that mean anyway? you now trust republicans and blue dogs with your health care? …..Republicans are smiling all the way to the bank because they know the safety net has been broken and we’re stuck with private, profit insurance for the next twenty years,
    *********
    You are exactly right..how screwed up are things when a right wing POS like Baucus is called “centrist”…The “Blue Dogs” and Repubs. are working together to help Obama undo entitlements such as Medicare. They want to give

    the President the power to cut Medicare benefits. That is what Obama was talking about last night with “bending the trajectory”….The Insurance Companies are safe with their profits, the only money available to balance the

    budget is from Medicare/Medicade,

    “Centrists Win Backing on Medicare Cost Cuts”

    ww.pnhp.org/news/2009/july/would_a_medpaclike_.php

  147. Moon, that is what I thought. It is all about him, him, and him. He doesn’t care about the people of this country at all. I believe actions, not words.

    BTW, Murphy of Puma Pac has a great rant: “It’s Worse Than We Expected.”

    Six months ago today obama had his first full day in office as president. Reports from all over make it clear he’s lost his famous mojo.

    Health Care Reform? Likely off the table until after the August recess of Congress. Flanks from all sides have turned in on obama in the middle, who is trying so hard to please everyone with his wishy-washy nothing-burgers, and being EATEN ALIVE by the corporate interests we always KNEW ruled his world.

    While the Right Flank screams, “Bolshevism!” the Left Flank screams, “Oligarchy.” Both are right. Obama-Care WOULD be Bolshevistic in outcome, if not in intent. Taxing the hell out of the rich with surtaxes and the middle class with taxes on benefits at the same time that there are ZERO cost-control measures in place is a SURE fire way to break the system in the Old School Soviet Style. Small businesses owners will be out for BLOOD if they are forced to pay an 8% payroll penalty. Middle class families who now struggle with inadequate, confusing, frustrating, and EXPENSIVE employer-subsidized insurance will be justifiably FURIOUS if they are forced to

    Pay taxes on the (mostly lousy) health insurance they have because they’re lucky enough to have a freaking job.

    Be shut out of cheaper, more comprehensive government-sponsored insurance plans.

    Subsidize the government plan they’re not allowed to join.
    Holy Smokes. What a stupid, stupid idea it would be to add another component to the Middle Class Misery Index right about now.

    And, though the moron David Brooks pretends not to know it, REAL liberals have been SHUT OUT of the Health Care reform debate altogether. As anyone in Massachusetts knows, covering the uninsured is not all that difficult. The REAL problem is how to pay for it all. And the ONLY way to pay for Universal Health Insurance is a strong, government option open to EVERYONE. By conceding the opportunity to allow a public plan to actually COMPETE with private, for-profit insurance comapnies, Obama Care is guaranteed to not only FAIL, but to bring the whole system down when it goes. (is obama secretly working for Grover, “Drown-the-Government-in-the-Bathtub,” Norquist?). But obama won’t take on the Corporate Big Whigs who put him in office. That’s Oligarchy.

    And the Right has every right to jump on the CBO estimates that Obama Care will break the bank. Reports that bank and financial sector bailouts could cost the U.S. Taxpayer $24 TRILLION dollars (yes, you read that number correctly) merely add fuel to an already raging fire of righteous cries of “Tax and Spend (On Your Billionaire Buddies).” Just because the Republicans don’t have any meaningful or practical solutions doesn’t mean they’re wrong that Obama Care is a very, very bad plan.

    What a wonderful brew: Bolshevik Oligarchy. Sound familiar?

    So. Health Care Reform six months in to the Age of Obama? Grade: FAIL.

    more at: pumapac.org/

  148. As anyone in Massachusetts knows, covering the uninsured is not all that difficult. The REAL problem is how to pay for it all. And the ONLY way to pay for Universal Health Insurance is a strong, government option open to EVERYONE. By conceding the opportunity to allow a public plan to actually COMPETE with private, for-profit insurance comapnies, Obama Care is guaranteed to not only FAIL, but to bring the whole system down when it goes.
    *************
    That is exactly right…The original theory of the “public option” was to allow open enrollment where an estimated 130 million would sign up. This level of participation in the plan would significantly reduce cost and allow UHC. Well the insurance industry wasn’t going to give up their $600+ billion per year cash flow so the Congressmen on their payroll built “firewalls” to protect the Insurance Co profits. Now the Public Option, if it survives at all will be open to very few people and will have no cost savings. That is why the Congress is looking at Medicare to cut in order to balance the books. As far as the Republicans, blue dogs and Insurance companies go its a brilliant idea. Cripple the terrible LBJ entitlement, Medicare, shift hundreds of billions of health care dollars from a program with 3.7% overhead to one where the Insurance Industry rakes off 31% off the top. There you have Obama’s, as he now truthfully calls it, “Health Insurance Reform”. It’s a bigger scam than Medicare Part D where the Feds have to pay 2-4 times the real cost of drugs.

  149. Who is Barak Hussein Obama?
    Where did he come from?
    In what country was he born?
    Who edcated him?
    Who bankrolled him every step?
    Does he have a church or a mosque?
    What are his goals for absolute power?
    Wil he make it to 2012?
    Will a patriot step up and call out for
    his impeachnent?

    Log on to this site for some real scary
    facts.

    http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/

    By ABM90.

  150. By plans to cut Medicare funding, they are cutting available care to the most vulnerable groups in our population: the elderly, the infirm, and disabled. How inhumane. There is so much discussion of further rationing health care for the elderly and disabled, what is going to happen to this group of people? Sooner deaths will be one outcome.

  151. With Obama it’s all about generalities. The Devil is in the details that really count. (Federal mandates and guidelines)

    Health Care Bill link:

    h….. frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf

    Today, Obama is at a Clinic in Cleavland with universal health care. His pronouncements claiming “this what we want for Americans”… It’s the old Bait and Switch tactics. The Health Care Clinic in Cleavland isn’t under the Federal guidelines and mandates listed in the 1000 pg documents presently sitting in the house.

    A blogger has taken the time to disseminate the language used in the HC Proposal into simple understandable terms:

    Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings. This is from his postings (Note: All comments are Fleckman’s)

    Full coverage at : pumasunleashed.wordpress.com

    Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

    Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill – THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get

    Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill – YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

    Pg 42 of HC Bill – The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits for you. U have no choice!

    PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill – HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

    Pg 58HC Bill – Govt will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

    Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your banks accts for elect. funds transfer

    PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan four retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

    Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring priv HC plans under Govt control.

    PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill – Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs for priv. HC plans in the Exchange

    PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!

    economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/obama-healthcare-step-one-killing-off.html

    PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill – Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example – Translation for illegal aliens

    Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan

    PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Specs of Ben Levels for Plans. #AARP members – U Health care WILL be rationed

    -PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill – Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

    pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt Monop

    pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill – Doctors/ #AMA – The Govt will tell YOU what you can make.

    Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE

    Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.

    Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer w/payroll for 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

    pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

    Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc

    Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NON-RESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)

    Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs

    PG 203 Line 14-15 HC – “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that

    Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

    Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill – Doctors, doesn’t matter what specialty u have, you’ll all be paid the same

    PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr’s time, prof judge, etc. Literally value of humans.

    PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

    PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

    PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!

    Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

    Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.

    Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

    Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

    pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!

    Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 – Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

    Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan

    Pg 354 Sec 1177 – Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!

    Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy – Tele- health Advisory Committe. HC by phone?

    PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

    Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

    PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death

    PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends

    Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An “adv. care planning consult” will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates

    PG 429 Lines 10-12 “adv. care consultation” may incl an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

    Pg 429 Lines 13-25 – The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

    PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life

    Pg 469 – Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Savcs here!!?

    Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

    PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage

    Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs

    (ht/) Robert Wenzel

    Under Obama healthcare, we will kill them off. Here’s Peter Singer, professor of bioethics at Princeton University, in a New York Times Magazine article, Why We Must Ration Health Care, already deciding who to kill off once national healthcare hits.

    “Governments implicitly place a dollar value on a human life when they decide how much is to be spent on health care programs and how much on other public goods that are not directed toward saving lives. The task of health care bureaucrats is then to get the best value for the resources they have been allocated. It is the familiar comparative exercise of getting the most bang for your buck. Sometimes that can be relatively easy to decide. If two drugs offer the same benefits and have similar risks of side effects, but one is much more expensive than the other, only the cheaper one should be provided by the public health care program. That the benefits and the risks of side effects are similar is a scientific matter for experts to decide after calling for submissions and examining them. That is the bread-and-butter work of units like NICE. But the benefits may vary in ways that defy straightforward comparison. We need a common unit for measuring the goods achieved by health care. Since we are talking about comparing different goods, the choice of unit is not merely a scientific or economic question but an ethical one.”

    “As a first take, we might say that the good achieved by health care is the number of lives saved. But that is too crude. The death of a teenager is a greater tragedy than the death of an 85-year-old, and this should be reflected in our priorities. We can accommodate that difference by calculating the number of life-years saved, rather than simply the number of lives saved. If a teenager can be expected to live another 70 years, saving her life counts as a gain of 70 life-years, whereas if a person of 85 can be expected to live another 5 years,then saving the 85-year-old will count as a gain of only 5 life-years. That suggests that saving one teenager is equivalent to saving 14 85-year-olds.”

  152. I am so sick of this administration, or I should say the crooked politicians that are so corrupt they care only about padding their own pockets and are selling the American people down the drain. They are on both sides.
    This is all bait and switch, everyone thinks Obama is nationalizing everything but he is working for the insurance companies. My question, when will the American people rise up and take back this country??

  153. jbstonesfan Says:

    July 22nd, 2009 at 4:42 pm
    so far he seems to have won all battles and I don’t see much changing..he has the votes and can use Rahm and Axelrod to influence dems(i.e. no funding for campaigns).
    &&&&&&&&

    Yes, jb, but they are pyrrhic victories. At this rate, he can’t afford to keep winning. :^)

    He doesn’t lead, he passes off the responsibility for crafting bills to Congress. The buck stops….over there. The resulting bills he winds up signing either a) don’t help, or b) make things worse.

    The media keep trying to help him, by spinning that “Obama gets his way again”. But things don’t improve, and his polling numbers continue toward Carterland.

  154. OBAMA’S DEMAND GOES UNHEEDED:

    yahoo.com/s/ap/20090723/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul

    Reid: No health care vote in Senate until fall
    ===============================

    By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press Writer Ricardo Alonso-zaldivar, Associated Press Writer – 10 mins ago
    WASHINGTON – Senate Democratic leaders on Thursday abandoned plans for a vote on health care before Congress’ August recess, dealing a blow to President Barack Obama’s ambitious timetable to revamp the nation’s $2.4 trillion system of medical care.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., delivered the official pronouncement on what had been expected for weeks, saying, “It’s better to have a product based on quality and thoughtfulness rather than try to jam something through.”

    His words were a near-echo of Republicans who have criticized the rush to act on complex legislation that affects every American.

    Reid told reporters the Senate Finance Committee will act on its portion of the bill before lawmakers’ monthlong break. Reid then will merge that bill with separate legislation passed by the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee earlier this month.

    The process will be difficult since Finance, led by Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., is seeking a bipartisan deal while the health committee bill was passed by Democrats on a party-line vote.

    Obama had pushed for votes in the House and Senate before August to ensure that lawmakers had enough time to meld the two bills into comprehensive legislation before the end of the year — and the start of a politically charged congressional election year.

    Health care is Obama’s top domestic priority and the president has made nearly daily appeals for the overhaul in the last two weeks, and summoned more than a dozen lawmakers to the White House to make his case. At stake is a massive remaking of the system — as well as Obama’s clout.

    Reid said the decision to delay a vote was made Wednesday night in the hopes of getting a final bill that can win at least 60 votes in the Senate.

    Reid said he had listened to the requests from senior Republicans working with Baucus to allow more time for a compromise to emerge.

    “The decision was made to give them more time and I don’t think it’s unreasonable,” he said.

    The news of the delay came just hours before Obama’s appearance at a health care forum in Ohio.

    Still, Democrats remain frustrated with the pace of fulfilling Obama’s goal of expanding coverage to Americans who lack it and containing rising costs.

    “The Finance Committee keeps dragging their feet and dragging their feet and dragging their feet. It’s time for them to fish or cut bait,” Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, said in a conference call with Iowa reporters.

    But at the same time, nine freshman Senate Democrats, largely from swing states, sent a letter to Baucus urging him to keep working toward a bipartisan solution.

    In the House, Democratic leaders struggled to win over rebellious moderates and conservative rank-and-file party members who are demanding changes to the bill. The dispute has forced Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., to postpone work on the legislation for three straight days while he negotiates.

    Waxman’s committee is the last of three House panels trying to finish the $1.5 trillion, 10-year legislation that would create a government-run plan to compete with private insurance, increase taxes on the wealthy, and require employers and individuals to get health insurance.

    Many of the provisions of the legislation, however, wouldn’t take effect until 2013 — after the next presidential election.

    Rep. Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., the third-ranking House Democrat, said a Thursday morning, 90-minute meeting of the leadership was particularly contentious. He said lawmakers should abandon plans for their monthlong break if the House hasn’t passed a health care bill.

    “We must stay here and get this thing done,” he said at a news conference. “I feel very strongly about that. … I think it will affect our standing with the American people if we don’t do this.”

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., didn’t rule out going into August to get the bill done but said it might not be necessary.

    “I’m not afraid of August. It’s a month,” Pelosi said. “What I am interested in is the sooner the better to pass health care for the American people.”

    “We will take the bill to the floor when it is ready and when it is ready we will have the votes to pass it,” Pelosi added. She stood by — but didn’t repeat — a claim she made Wednesday that she has the necessary votes now to pass a health overhaul.

    Underscoring the deep divisions among Democrats was concern among members of the Congressional Black Caucus that Obama and the leadership were making too many concessions to the fiscally conservative Blue Dog Democrats.

    Leaders of the Congressional Black Caucus said they requested a meeting with Obama.

    “We felt it was important that more than one voice be heard,” said Donna Christensen, the congressional delegate for the U.S. Virgin Islands who is leading the black caucus’ health care efforts. “When we hear phrases like squeezing more savings out of the system … we’re concerned that what may be taken out will be provisions that are critical to our communities.”

    The mostly liberal black caucus wants to make sure that any reform retains core provisions such as a public health insurance option that guarantees coverage for everyone.

    “We don’t want to see them negotiated or eroded away,” said Rep. Danny Davis, D-Ill.

  155. SHV:

    “Well the insurance industry wasn’t going to give up their $600+ billion per year cash flow so the Congressmen on their payroll built “firewalls” to protect the Insurance Co profits.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    And there you have it. And why the government wants to maintain public control over Health Care never allowing us to get out from under their rules and regulations. If Obama’s HC Bill passes as written he will have effectively enslaved Americans to their demands in perpetuity.

  156. HERE WE GO AGAIN: THE “R” WORD

    From yahoo

    Obama ‘stupidly’ comment disappoints Mass. cop
    ==================================

    By BOB SALSBERG, Associated Press Writer Bob Salsberg, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 34 mins ago
    NATICK, Mass. – A white police sergeant who arrested renowned black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. said Thursday he’s disappointed President Barack Obama said officers acted “stupidly,” despite acknowledging he didn’t know all the facts.

    Sgt. James Crowley responded to Gates’ home near Harvard University last week to investigate a report of a burglary and demanded Gates show him identification. Police say Gates at first refused and accused the officer of racism.

    Gates was charged with disorderly conduct. The charge was dropped Tuesday, and Gates has since demanded an apology from Crowley.

    Obama was asked about the arrest of Gates, who is his friend, at the end of a nationally televised news conference on health care Wednesday night.

    “I think it’s fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry,” Obama said. “Number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home. And number three — what I think we know separate and apart from this incident — is that there is a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately, and that’s just a fact.”

    In radio interviews Thursday morning, Crowley maintained he had done nothing wrong in arresting Gates.

    “I support the president of the United States 110 percent. I think he was way off base wading into a local issue without knowing all the facts as he himself stated before he made that comment,” Crowley told WBZ-AM. “I guess a friend of mine would support my position, too.”

    Crowley did not immediately respond to messages left by The Associated Press on Thursday.

    Gates has said he was “outraged” by the arrest. He said the white officer walked into his home without his permission and only arrested him as the professor followed him to the porch, repeatedly demanding the sergeant’s name and badge number because he was unhappy over his treatment.

    “This isn’t about me; this is about the vulnerability of black men in America,” Gates said.

    He said the incident made him realize how vulnerable poor people and minorities are “to capricious forces like a rogue policeman, and this man clearly was a rogue policeman.”

    Crowley, 42, said he won’t apologize. And his union has expressed “full and unqualified” support for him.

    On Thursday, he told WBZ that Gates verbally assailed him. The police report says Crowley asked Gates to talk outside, to which he responded “Yeah, I’ll speak with your mama outside.”

    “There was a lot of yelling, there was references to my mother, something you woulnd’t expect from anybody that should be grateful that you’re there investigating a report of a crime in progress let alone a Harvard University professor,” Crowley said Thursday.

    Fellow officers, black and white, say he is well-liked and respected on the force. Crowley was a campus police officer at Brandeis University in July 1993 when he administered CPR trying to save the life of former Boston Celtics player Reggie Lewis. Lewis, who was black, collapsed and died during an off-season workout.

    Gates’ supporters maintain his arrest was a case of racial profiling. Officers were called to the home by a woman who said she saw “two black males with backpacks” trying to break in the front door. Gates has said he arrived home from an overseas trip and the door was jammed.

    The president said federal officials need to continue working with local law enforcement “to improve policing techniques so that we’re eliminating potential bias.”

    “What I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there’s a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately,” Obama said. “That’s just a fact.”

    Gov. Deval Patrick, who is black, said he was troubled and upset over the incident. Cambridge Mayor Denise Simmons, who also is black, has said she spoke with Gates and apologized on behalf of the city, and a statement from the city called the July 16 incident “regrettable and unfortunate.”

    The mayor refused Thursday to comment on the president’s remarks.

    Police supporters charge that Gates, director of Harvard’s W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research, was responsible for his own arrest by overreacting.

    Black students and professors at Harvard have complained for years about racial profiling by Cambridge and campus police. Harvard commissioned an independent committee last year to examine the university’s race relations after campus police confronted a young black man who was using tools to remove a bike lock. The man worked at Harvard and owned the bike.

    Richard Weinblatt, director of the Institute for Public Safety at Central Ohio Technical College, said the police sergeant was responsible for defusing the situation once he realized Gates was the lawful occupant. It is not against the law to yell at police, especially in a home, as long as that behavior does not affect an investigation, he said.

    “That is part of being a police officer in a democratic society,” Weinblatt said. “The point is that the police sergeant needs to be the bigger person, take the higher road, be more professional.”

  157. rgb44hrc Says:

    July 23rd, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    HERE WE GO AGAIN: THE “R” WORD

    ————————————–

    Yep! I read about this earlier today and my first thoughts were the same as yours.

  158. if Obama’s HC Bill passes as written he will have effectively enslaved Americans to their demands in perpetuity.
    *********
    It won’t be for perpetuity, they are moving the deck chairs on the Titanic. The current system is rotten at it core and if the “Obama Health Insurance reform” is passed, it will prolong the agony for another decade or two but the only outcome is single-payer. Between now and then, tens of millions of Americans are going to be hurt in the attempt to maintain the profits of the Insurance companies.

  159. Cosby chimes in. On a Boston radio program this morning, Bill Cosby suggested that President Obama spoke too soon on the controversial arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates.“I’ve heard about five different reports [on the details of the arrest],” Cosby said on Boston’s WZLX. “If I’m the president of the United States, I don’t care how much pressure people want to put on it about race, I’m keeping my mouth shut.”

    “I was shocked to hear the president making this kind of statement,” Cosby said referring to the president’s remarks during last night’s press conference.The comedian appeared to have dialed his comments back a bit in a later interview on Boston’s FOX 25 television station….

    http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/07/23/bill-cosby-shocked-at-obamas-statement-on-harvard-profs-arrest/

  160. Let’s give obama some idiot strings…

    White House qualifies Obama remark about arrest

    By CHARLES BABINGTON (AP) – 1 hour ago

    CLEVELAND — The White House tried Thursday to calm a hubbub over President Barack Obama’s comments about a white police officer’s arrest of a black scholar near Boston, saying Obama was not calling the officer “stupid.”

    Spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters that Obama felt that when it was clear that Harvard scholar Louis Gates Jr. was not a burglary suspect last week, “at that point, cooler heads on all sides should have prevailed.”

    At a Wednesday news conference, Obama had said that the Cambridge, Mass., police “acted stupidly” by citing Gates on a resisting arrest charge, which was quickly dropped. He had not faulted the actions of Gates, who he said is a friend.

    “Let me be clear, he was not calling the officer stupid,” Gibbs told reporters as Obama landed in Cleveland for two health care events Thursday. He said Obama felt that “at a certain point the situation got far out of hand” at Gates’ home last week.

    A neighbor had reported a possible burglary when Gates and a friend were seen trying to force open his front door, which was jammed. By the time police arrived, Gates was inside and showed proof of his residency. But he did not obey the officer’s order to step outside, and after words were exchanged, he was arrested.

    Obama answered a question about the Gates incident at his Wednesday news conference, although he noted he did not know all the details. Gibbs said the president did not regret his Wednesday remarks, but wanted to clarify that he was not calling the arresting officer stupid.

    Gibbs said Obama has not spoken with Gates since the incident.

    google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j2HJhrkrvaouXNtncRaQTLauq9TAD99K9Q001

  161. Mrs. Smith Says:

    July 23rd, 2009 at 1:51 pm
    *****************************************

    Mrs. Smith that was very interesting, illuminating and downright frightening…thx

  162. moon,

    We can add that to his ridiculous Special Olympics comment on Jay Leno and his “they get bitter and cling to guns, or religion…etc…

    The list is getting so damn long now…

  163. Surprised Fox says the public is about split on whether Healthcare reform should be passed…I thought after last night, it would be less favorable. Frustrating so many bots still just drink the kool-Aide.

  164. jumpinginpools.blogspot.com/2009/07/la-times-obama-close-to-firing-hillary.html

    LA Times: Obama ‘Close’ to Firing Hillary Clinton
    After Policy Clashes, Clinton’s Role in White House ‘Marginalized’
    Jeremy Kimball
    Los Angeles Times

    BANGKOK THAILAND– Dining with Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton discussed widening ties between the US and the Southeastern Asian nation. Earlier in the day, the Secretary discussed the possibility of a US defense shield in the Middle East to counteract Iranian influence.

    While on the surface this appears to be the ordinary work of America’s chief diplomat, it is part of the shrinking role of the Clinton dynasty. President Obama chose the former First Lady after intense political pressure. The former rivals vowed to work together and were photographed at high-profile events in January and February.

    However, since the disputed elections in Iran on June 12, there has been a widening split in the White House over foreign policy. President Obama, flanked by Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel believe in the ‘balanced’ approach the President has been taking on the subject. However, some in the White House, including Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary Clinton, have been calling for a tougher foreign policy stance.

    There has been a widening dispute between the President and Secretary Clinton over several key points. While the major one was over Iran, Clinton disagrees with Obama’s plans to open relations with Cuba, the Sudan, and Syria.

    The two reportedly engaged in a heated verbal argument early this month, with the President deciding to curtail the Secretary’s functions. These have included denying Clinton the ability to hire Sidney Blumenthal, a former Bill Clinton aide, as an advisor. Clinton was also absent when the President visited the G-8 conference this month. In addition, Obama sent Vice President Biden on an important trip to Eastern Europe instead of Clinton.

    Rumblings of the split have been chronicled in the New York Times and the New York Daily News, but the splits appeared to be superficial in character.

    However, late last week, the Los Angeles Times acquired a statement from White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel stating that Secretary Clinton was on ‘thin ice.’ Most troubling to the White House have been several statements pertaining to US foreign policy which were not cleared by the White House. One was a statement in which Clinton stated that she “hoped democracy would triumph” in Iran.

    Emanuel also stated to the Times that Secretary Clinton had been working closely with her husband in order to further policy decisions. “No offense to my former boss,” Emanuel stated, “but his presidency ended eight years ago.”

    Whether Secretary Clinton would be asked to step down is in doubt. It is highly unlikely for a US Secretary of State to step down during a presidential term. The last time that this happened was when Secretary of State James Baker resigned from the George H.W. Bush Administration in August 1992, in a non-pressured cirumstance.

  165. jumpinginpools.blogspot.com /2009 / 07 / la-times-obama-close-to-firing-hillary.html

    LA Times: Obama ‘Close’ to Firing Hillary Clinton
    After Policy Clashes, Clinton’s Role in White House ‘Marginalized’
    Jeremy Kimball
    Los Angeles Times

    BANGKOK THAILAND– Dining with Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton discussed widening ties between the US and the Southeastern Asian nation. Earlier in the day, the Secretary discussed the possibility of a US defense shield in the Middle East to counteract Iranian influence.

    While on the surface this appears to be the ordinary work of America’s chief diplomat, it is part of the shrinking role of the Clinton dynasty. President Obama chose the former First Lady after intense political pressure. The former rivals vowed to work together and were photographed at high-profile events in January and February.

    However, since the disputed elections in Iran on June 12, there has been a widening split in the White House over foreign policy. President Obama, flanked by Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel believe in the ‘balanced’ approach the President has been taking on the subject. However, some in the White House, including Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary Clinton, have been calling for a tougher foreign policy stance.

    There has been a widening dispute between the President and Secretary Clinton over several key points. While the major one was over Iran, Clinton disagrees with Obama’s plans to open relations with Cuba, the Sudan, and Syria.

    The two reportedly engaged in a heated verbal argument early this month, with the President deciding to curtail the Secretary’s functions. These have included denying Clinton the ability to hire Sidney Blumenthal, a former Bill Clinton aide, as an advisor. Clinton was also absent when the President visited the G-8 conference this month. In addition, Obama sent Vice President Biden on an important trip to Eastern Europe instead of Clinton.

    Rumblings of the split have been chronicled in the New York Times and the New York Daily News, but the splits appeared to be superficial in character.

    However, late last week, the Los Angeles Times acquired a statement from White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel stating that Secretary Clinton was on ‘thin ice.’ Most troubling to the White House have been several statements pertaining to US foreign policy which were not cleared by the White House. One was a statement in which Clinton stated that she “hoped democracy would triumph” in Iran.

    Emanuel also stated to the Times that Secretary Clinton had been working closely with her husband in order to further policy decisions. “No offense to my former boss,” Emanuel stated, “but his presidency ended eight years ago.”

    Whether Secretary Clinton would be asked to step down is in doubt. It is highly unlikely for a US Secretary of State to step down during a presidential term. The last time that this happened was when Secretary of State James Baker resigned from the George H.W. Bush Administration in August 1992, in a non-pressured cirumstance.

  166. LA Times: Obama ‘Close’ to Firing Hillary Clinton
    After Policy Clashes, Clinton’s Role in White House ‘Marginalized’
    Jeremy Kimball
    Los Angeles Times

    BANGKOK THAILAND– Dining with Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton discussed widening ties between the US and the Southeastern Asian nation. Earlier in the day, the Secretary discussed the possibility of a US defense shield in the Middle East to counteract Iranian influence.

    While on the surface this appears to be the ordinary work of America’s chief diplomat, it is part of the shrinking role of the Clinton dynasty. President Obama chose the former First Lady after intense political pressure. The former rivals vowed to work together and were photographed at high-profile events in January and February.

    However, since the disputed elections in Iran on June 12, there has been a widening split in the White House over foreign policy. President Obama, flanked by Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel believe in the ‘balanced’ approach the President has been taking on the subject. However, some in the White House, including Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary Clinton, have been calling for a tougher foreign policy stance.

    There has been a widening dispute between the President and Secretary Clinton over several key points. While the major one was over Iran, Clinton disagrees with Obama’s plans to open relations with Cuba, the Sudan, and Syria.

    The two reportedly engaged in a heated verbal argument early this month, with the President deciding to curtail the Secretary’s functions. These have included denying Clinton the ability to hire Sidney Blumenthal, a former Bill Clinton aide, as an advisor. Clinton was also absent when the President visited the G-8 conference this month. In addition, Obama sent Vice President Biden on an important trip to Eastern Europe instead of Clinton.

    Rumblings of the split have been chronicled in the New York Times and the New York Daily News, but the splits appeared to be superficial in character.

    However, late last week, the Los Angeles Times acquired a statement from White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel stating that Secretary Clinton was on ‘thin ice.’ Most troubling to the White House have been several statements pertaining to US foreign policy which were not cleared by the White House. One was a statement in which Clinton stated that she “hoped democracy would triumph” in Iran.

    Emanuel also stated to the Times that Secretary Clinton had been working closely with her husband in order to further policy decisions. “No offense to my former boss,” Emanuel stated, “but his presidency ended eight years ago.”

    Whether Secretary Clinton would be asked to step down is in doubt. It is highly unlikely for a US Secretary of State to step down during a presidential term. The last time that this happened was when Secretary of State James Baker resigned from the George H.W. Bush Administration in August 1992, in a non-pressured cirumstance.

  167. Wow!!!!!!!! This is exactly what some of us predicted. Hillary is putting a brave game face on, but it looks like she will either have to accept a very marginal role or resign.

  168. Well, even if it were valid, I think bambi would be committing political suicide to fire his star player.

  169. # S Says:
    July 23rd, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    Mrs. Smith Says:

    July 23rd, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    *****************************************

    Mrs. Smith that was very interesting, illuminating and downright frightening…thx

    ~~~~~~~~~~~
    Welcome- It’s what we don’t see with Obama’s plan that is dangerous.

  170. rgb44hrc Says:
    July 23rd, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    HERE WE GO AGAIN: THE “R” WORD

    From yahoo

    Obama ’stupidly’ comment disappoints Mass. cop

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    “NATICK, Mass. – A white police sergeant who arrested renowned black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. said Thursday he’s disappointed President Barack Obama said officers acted “stupidly,” despite acknowledging he didn’t know all the facts.

    Sgt. James Crowley responded to Gates’ home near Harvard University last week to investigate a report of a burglary and demanded Gates show him identification. Police say Gates at first refused and accused the officer of racism.”

    “That is part of being a police officer in a democratic society,” Weinblatt said. “The point is that the police sergeant needs to be the bigger person, take the higher road, be more professional.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    This happening in Deval Patrick’s backyard? Sounds like a set-up for a diversion of a failed news conference to me.

  171. That presser was an utterly substanceless appearance, that did nothing but parrot the problems that EVERYONE knows exist, and gave almost zero detail on what, precisely he wants to do about it other than vague slogans about insuring more people and cutting costs and “reform”. Well duh, we all KNOW that already.

    What will Reform!! ™ LOOK like? Will it look like Change! ™, that last empty slogan you sold the public, and which we are fast finding out means….. um…..more of the same Bush policies and Wall-Street leg-humping? Stop with the damn buzzwords and TELL us something!

    The House bill is now available online. WHY did some reporter not have a copy of it in his/her hand, and begin asking things like, “Mr. President, it says on page 462 (or whatever page) that this medical governing body will be an appointed part of the executive branch, and can make changes to requirements, fee schedules, eligibility, etc. without going through Congress, as even Medicare currently has to do.

    If healthcare is 20% of our GDP, and this plan will apply to every citizen, how does is this not a bypassing of representative govt, and a usurpation of Congress’ powers?”

    Oh, I forgot. We don’t HAVE a White House press corps anymore. Real journalists are not allowed.

  172. mrs.smith, agreed.

    the obvious plant of the gates race question was used at the closing bell last night as a diversion. bo knew his presser had crapped-the-bed and used race as his cover. unfortunately, the msm and talk radio all took the bait. that is all they’re talking about today. bo’s dismal and eroding support for health care barely made the news. ah, the race card can be used in soo many wonderful ways.

  173. “.It won’t be for perpetuity, they are moving the deck chairs on the Titanic. The current system is rotten at it core and if the “Obama Health Insurance reform” is passed, it will prolong the agony for another decade or two but the only outcome is single-payer.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Please elaborate how an enslaved public in 10 – 20 years is going to accomplish single payer; when, after 15 yrs it has been impossible to do so?

  174. marie3548 Says:

    July 23rd, 2009 at 4:08 pm
    LA Times: Obama ‘Close’ to Firing Hillary Clinton
    After Policy Clashes, Clinton’s Role in White House ‘Marginalized’
    Jeremy Kimball
    Los Angeles Times

    ——————————————————————————————

    I don’t see this article. Please provide a link.

  175. Mrs. Smith it was actually Truman who first suggested single payer, and the LBJ who wanted medicare for All, but was only able to give it to the elderly. I think what SHV means is, as Hillary said, private for-profit health insurance is already a market failure, and there is only so long we can prop it up. It can’t be fixed.

  176. alcina Says:
    July 23rd, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    If they had anticipated Obama’s Report Card would score an unprecedented “Fx3” for his Heath Care Plan. I’m sure their diversionary plan would have been more egregiously orchestrated wiping his failed Health Care effort off the front pages everywhere.

    Obama should know by now, he needs a bigger elephant to hide behind when he pees his pants in public at a news conference.

  177. mj-

    “as Hillary said, private for-profit health insurance is already a market failure, and there is only so long we can prop it up. It can’t be fixed.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I don’t have a problem with agreeing with that… but that is not what was said.

    It’s this: “if the “Obama Health Insurance reform” is passed, it will prolong the agony for another decade or two but the only outcome is single-payer.”

    How is Single Payer going to happen with Obama’s plan after all the mandates and controls are put in place by the government?

  178. please include in the above:

    I should add, after government takes control of your life, what miracle is going to come forth to remove those hooks giving us Single Payer?

    Which I think is a fair question.

  179. Well, Mrs. Smith, I don’t want the plan passed, and I think SHV and I agree, single payer will happen faster if this plan dies on the vine. But what you don’t seem to understand is that no controls will be put in place by the government on private insurers, so they will keep looting us, and eventually the system, having been preserved in the short-term will still collapse.

  180. What government is taking “control of your life?” They are forcing us to buy private insurance, not much more. You are reading too many right wing talking points.

  181. ‘This happening in Deval Patrick’s backyard? Sounds like a set-up for a diversion of a failed news conference to me.’

    Agreed.
    And I’m sure you’ll find this amusing. (NOT)
    Clyburn on Cavuto talking about keeping the House in session to work on the healthcare bill and Neil saying he’s not sure that can happen coz of the blue dog dems saying they’re not being heard and Clyburn says – I KID YOU NOT-well, it’s so much harder for us (dems) coz we have DIVERSITY and I have a group of 22 black congressmen who say they haven’t been heard and the repubs don’t have that problem (DIVERSITY) – What a RACIST POS he is – Neil steered him away from that and cut the interview short. Yup, mrs. Smith, they’re all [playing the race card again. look at what’s happening with Boxer.

    😯

  182. How is Single Payer going to happen with Obama’s plan after all the mandates and controls are put in place by the government?
    ***********
    Because the system is economically not viable either for business or the individual. I am somewhat surprised that business did get in on a push for single payer this time. As an example, GM, with it’s legacy health plan is paying out 1 dollar for every 1 cent that it costs Toyota. Of course that is why the unions oppose single payer.

  183. # mj Says:
    July 23rd, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    What government is taking “control of your life?” They are forcing us to buy private insurance, not much more. You are reading too many right wing talking points.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    mj- scroll up to my post at 1:51 today… read it for yourself. I have the original pdf of the HC Plan cross referenced and translated into layman’s terms page by page. No RW talking points at all.

  184. Ok sorry guys but as I am officially scared, you may not hear from me for a few hours, the whole mountainside is on fire, some asshole has set a rubbish tip on fire and the whole mountain is going up, i cannot see for smoke, i may have to evacuate home.

    I’m just praying at the moment buts its looking bad.

  185. SHV-

    If Obama’s HCPlan is passed as is… there won’t be any ordinary, middle class citizens left with the resources to argue for Single Payer, they will be among the indigent..

    Small Business will have been relegated to the history books as a model for the entrepernarial spirit that once was America in the 19th thru the 20th Century having it’s demise at the outset of the 21st Century by the failed presidency of Barack Obama.

    The rich could care less. As long as they have BC/BS..

  186. If Obama fires SoS Clinton,his fate is sealed and she is free to run in 2012 or even if he is impeached.She would no longer be hampered by the rules of presidential succession and he would be committing political suicide.What a sad sack of s*** this turned out to be.
    I dare you to try this evil move and you will be IMPEACHED.

    BY ABM90 President Hillary we are at your back and we will make it happen.

  187. He won’t fire her. His poll numbers are declining steadily and half the democrat party supports her. He’s lost independents and moderate leaning republicans. We have reached the point where he really needs her more than she needs him.

  188. Does anyone think that the Blue Dogs are tired of him and are deliberately trying to destroy his Presidency so that Hillary can be installed in 2012?

  189. Is there any truth to the rumor that she is close to being fired? I heard he fired one of his secret service people yesterday.

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