Six Months Of Obama Boobery

Enough! The boob started six months ago with a mangled oath and every day since has been worse.

Very recently the boobery reached such heights that the Obama TelePrompter committed suicide. Expect a short life from the new TelePrompter. Yesterday, the ever-reliant-on-TelePrompters-Obama, was tripped up yet again while reading his remarks:

“The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system,” Obama said in remarks after a health care roundtable with physicians, nurses and health care providers.

To presume boobery is a kindness on our part. More likely it is malefaction.

How else to explain the actions aforethought?

For a long time we wrote that Obama was a flim-flam confidence man who ran constantly to keep one step a head of the law. Obama is still running from the law. Obama is still flim-flamming.

The latest flim-flam regards the closed/not closed Guantanamo Bay terrorist prison and why the task force plan for closing the prison will be “put off” and the deadline missed:

Yet the task force has not been able to reach a consensus on key issues—among them whether indefinite detention will only apply to detainees currently at Guantánamo or whether new prisoners captured in counterterrorism operations around the world can be similarly held without trial. Even more troublesome is where to imprison future detainees. Administration officials acknowledge they will almost certainly have to be brought to a facility within the United States—most likely a military prison. But recent protests by members of Congress about transferring some current Gitmo detainees to the United States—and amendments already passed by Congress requiring notification of any such moves—has made that option far more difficult than it was only a few months ago.

Obama will keep the Guantanamo report “on ice” until he is through with his latest flim-flams on Congress and they all go on vacation. On January 12 we wrote about Guantanamo:

The third George W. Bush term – starring Barack W. Obama – will be just as exciting, more corrupt, inept, dangerous and debilitating.

It is not only the Guantanamo report that is kept secret. An even bigger flim-flam is to keep news about the economy secret until Obama does the “stimulus” scam rush-rush on the joke called his health care plan/plans:

The administration’s annual midsummer budget update is sure to show higher deficits and unemployment and slower growth than projected in President Barack Obama’s budget in February and update in May, and that could complicate his efforts to get his signature health care and global-warming proposals through Congress.

The release of the update – usually scheduled for mid-July – has been put off until the middle of next month, giving rise to speculation the White House is delaying the bad news at least until Congress leaves town Aug. 7 on its summer recess.

The administration is pressing for votes before then on its $1 trillion health care initiative, which lawmakers are arguing over how to finance.

Not much new in these latest news stories for readers of Big Pink who read our analysis of the Obama budget and predictions Obama Budget: Sleeveless, Clueless, Truthless, Hopeless, Penniless

From the Hopium addled, who did their best to ignore our Obama Budget analysis, expect new rationalizations and new chanting and incense burning when they hear the likely contents of the suppressed economic report:

Any downward revision in growth or revenue projections would mean that budget deficits would be far higher than the administration is now suggesting.

Setting the stage for bleaker projections, Vice President Joe Biden recently conceded, “We misread how bad the economy was” in January. Obama modified that by suggesting the White House had “incomplete” information.

The new budget update comes as the public and members of Congress are becoming increasingly anxious over Obama’s economic policies.[snip]

A Washington Post-ABC News survey released Monday shows approval of Obama’s handling of health-care reform slipping below 50 percent for the first time. The poll also found support eroding on how Obama is dealing with other issues that are important to Americans right now – the economy, unemployment and the swelling budget deficit.

The Democratic-controlled Congress is reeling from last week’s testimony by the head of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, Douglas Elmendorf, that the main health care proposals Congress is considering would not reduce costs – as Obama has insisted – but “significantly expand” the federal financial responsibility for health care. [snip]

Citing the CBO testimony, House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, on Monday accused Democrats of “burying this budget update until after Congress leaves town next month.” He called the budget-update postponment “an attempt to hide a record-breaking deficit as Democratic leaders break arms to rush through a government takeover of health care.”

Financial reports must be suppressed if the flim-flams are to continue. Obama lover Karen Tumulty at Time magazine assesses the damage when the truth is actually told and not suppressed or ignored:

Read this quote, from Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Elmendorf, testifying before the Senate Budget Committee. You are going to hear it repeated often by opponents of the health reform bills that have been unveiled thus far.:

Dr. Elmendorf, I am going to really put you on the spot, because we are in the middle of this health care debate — but it’s critically important we get this right,” Mr. Conrad said. “Everyone has said, virtually everyone, that bending the cost curve over time is critically important, and one of the key goals of this entire effort. From what you have seen, from the products of the committees that have reported, do you see a successful effort being mounted to bend the long-term cost curve?”

Mr. Elmendorf was unequivocal. “No, Mr. Chairman,” he replied. “In the legislation that has been reported, we do not see the sort of fundamental changes that would be necessary to reduce the trajectory of federal health spending by a significant amount. And on the contrary, the legislation significantly expands the federal responsibility for health-care costs.”

How damaging is this assessment? It could be devastating. We have talked before about how crucial it is to make the numbers work for health reform. (And Jon Cohn has a must-read piece here.) Under the budget rules, the legislation will be scored not on how it affects health care spending overall, but rather, how it affects the federal bottom line. Harry Reid’s dismissive comment notwithstanding, CBO is the arbiter of this. And as the story notes, arguing with its estimates is about as useful as challenging the balls and strikes called by the umpire in a baseball game.

The truth-telling Elmendorf/CBO report is the reason why Obama will oppress the nation with yet another insufferable televised appearance on Wednesday. The problem for Obama however is that he has already been talking constantly about health care but the polling numbers drop the more Obama talks. A Michael Jackson style “This Is It” tour for Obama will end with as much success as the 50 concert Jackson effort: failure.

Meanwhile the woman who could have passed health care, the woman with the experience to do what needed to be done, is in India.

Obama had only two necessary jobs to do in light of the economic crisis. The first was to pass a Hillary Clinton Home Ownership Loan Corporation program and the other was to pass the Hillary Clinton Universal Health Care Program. Instead Obama bamboozled the nation with his “stimulus” scams and TARP scams and fake budgets loaded with pork and funny Mafia style numbers.

How is that fake foreclosure program going?

The Obama administration’s $50 billion program to curb foreclosures isn’t working, and the White House knows it.

Administration officials blame the mortgage servicers charged with carrying out the mortgage modifications and refinancing under the federal program. Many of their Democratic allies on Capitol Hill back them up, but others are criticizing the White House for fumbling the execution. Whatever the reason, the program hasn’t stopped the rising tide of foreclosures: Experts predict that at least another 2 million homes will be lost this year, and the administration’s plan has so far reached only about 160,000 of the 3 million to 4 million homes it was supposed to protect over the next three years.

That’s bad news for the economy — and bad news for the Democrats.

Things are not much better on the foreign policy front either as world leaders mock Obama behind his back while exhibiting him to their publics in the same way trainers display their trick performing animals.

Is there any wonder why Americans are tired of the boobery?


103 thoughts on “Six Months Of Obama Boobery

  1. Posted previously by Mrs. Smith, Brit Hume on Obama and health care:

  2. Obama lover David Brooks:

    It was interesting to watch the Republican Party lose touch with America. You had a party led by conservative Southerners who neither understood nor sympathized with moderates or representatives from swing districts.

    They brought in pollsters to their party conferences to persuade their members that the country was fervently behind them. They were supported by their interest groups and cheered on by their activists and the partisan press. They spent federal money in an effort to buy support but ended up disgusting the country instead.

    It’s not that interesting to watch the Democrats lose touch with America. That’s because the plotline is exactly the same. The party is led by insular liberals from big cities and the coasts, who neither understand nor sympathize with moderates. They have their own cherry-picking pollsters, their own media and activist cocoon, their own plans to lavishly spend borrowed money to buy votes. [snip]

    Approval of Obama’s handling of health care, for example, has slid from 57 percent to 49 percent since April. Disapproval has risen from 29 percent to 44 percent. As recently as June, voters earning more than $50,000 preferred Obama to the Republicans on health care by a 21-point margin. Now those voters are evenly split.

    Most independents now disapprove of Obama’s health care strategy. In March, only 32 percent of Americans thought Obama was an old-style, tax-and-spend liberal. Now 43 percent do.

    We’re only in the early stages of the liberal suicide march, but there already have been three phases. First, there was the stimulus package. You would have thought that a stimulus package would be designed to fight unemployment and stimulate the economy during a recession. But Congressional Democrats used it as a pretext to pay for $787 billion worth of pet programs with borrowed money. Only 11 percent of the money will be spent by the end of the fiscal year — a triumph of ideology over pragmatism.

    Then there is the budget. Instead of allaying moderate anxieties about the deficits, the budget is expected to increase the government debt by $11 trillion between 2009 and 2019.

    Finally, there is health care. Every cliché Ann Coulter throws at the Democrats is gloriously fulfilled by the Democratic health care bills. The bills do almost nothing to control health care inflation. They are modeled on the Massachusetts health reform law that is currently coming apart at the seams precisely because it doesn’t control costs. They do little to reward efficient providers and reform inefficient ones.

    The House bill adds $239 billion to the federal deficit during the first 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office. It would pummel small businesses with an 8 percent payroll penalty. It would jack America’s top tax rate above those in Italy and France. Top earners in New York and California would be giving more than 55 percent of earnings to one government entity or another.

  3. Thank You, Admin

    It always comes down to the numbers, which in my career I dealt with on a regular basis. I made sure that my numbers reflected what was going on. If I could not, I would fess up, and ask permission to relocate the numbers where they could be used on other priority items. When I did that, I built trust with the people above me. I remember one call from the Pentagon where they ask me why I was ahead of my plan (they were asking kind of tongue in cheek as they liked that). I told them, I promised you I would get that money obligated early. Needless to say, those people trusted me, and really helped me protect my money, because they believed in me.

    I beleive in Elmendorf as I know he was under a lot of pressure to fix those numbers, but he stood tall, and it might very well be his career. But he told the truth for the American People. How much truth have we been told by O.

    We should send Elmendorf an award or at least a Thank You for his truthfulness. That might be all he gets from telling the truth is our gratefulness and thanks. I am sure there is no commendation coming from the WH.

    Stalling the report should be criminal, but then we are dealing with a criminal. David Brooks I give no credit to. He is covering his Axx. All of these truth were Self Evident. I think that was said in the Declaration of Independance or somewhere (We hold these Truths to be Self Evident). David, you screwed the American people, and you knew exactly what you were doing. You had no evidence that this man knew how to lead or what his record was. You could even see that he voted present to disguise his record. Also, if you had anything to do with the Primaries, you would have seen the fraud and bullying, and new this man was not one to unify a party, let alone a nation, or world. You are as responsible as all of those in the Media, who are smart people who committed the fraud with He is the One. He is all yours.

    I at least have the satisfaction of telling my State Chair where to go.

  4. “The truth-telling Elmendorf/CBO report is the reason why Obama will oppress the nation with yet another insufferable televised appearance on Wednesday.”


    Could they just give him his own talk show already and schedule it for 3 A.M. on Sundays???

    Excellent article, Admin!

  5. Brit Hume’s calling O Maestro (which is a conductor), is interesting. To me that is a crack in how the news has been treating him.

  6. Burma-N Korea ties ‘of concern’

    US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said Washington is “very seriously” concerned about military co-operation between North Korea and Burma.

    Arriving in Thailand ahead of a forum on regional security, she said the relationship was a threat to stability.

    She also condemned Burma’s treatment of jailed pro-democracy leader leader Aung San Suu Kyi.

    Foreign ministers from the Asean grouping, as well as EU and US envoys, are meeting on Wednesday in Thailand.

    “We know there are also growing concerns about military co-operation between North Korea and Burma, which we take very seriously,” Mrs Clinton said after meeting Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva in the Thai capital, Bangkok.

    “It would be destabilising for the region, it would pose a direct threat to Burma’s neighbours,” she said.

    ‘Unacceptable treatment’

    Asean leaders have expressed satisfaction that a figure as senior as Mrs Clinton is attending the regional forum. In recent years more junior US officers have been sent, leaving the delegate from China – a growing influence in the region – as the key figure at the talks.

    This year’s forum, being held on the resort island of Phuket, is expected to focus on North Korea and Burma.

    Mrs Clinton is expected to put pressure on North Korea to return to the six-party talks on its nuclear disarmament. US officials have said she is to meet with her counterparts from the other parties to the six-nation talks: South Korea, Japan, China and Russia.

    It is not clear if Mrs Clinton will meet any North Korean delegates. Pyongyang has refused to send its foreign minister to Phuket but will send a “roving ambassador”.

    Speaking on the issue of Burma, Mrs Clinton the US expected “fair treatment” of Aung San Suu Kyi.

    “We have condemned the way that she has been treated by the regime in Burma, which we consider to be baseless and totally unacceptable.”

    Ms Suu Kyi has been jailed or under house arrest for about 14 of the last 20 years. She is currently in a Rangoon prison on trial for allegedly breaking the conditions of her house arrest.

    The Association of South East Asian Nations (Asean) has a policy of non-interference in members’ affairs, but Burma has provoked widespread censure. Speaking earlier on Tuesday, Indonesian Foreign Minister Hasan Wirayuda said elections that Burma’s military rulers have promised for next year could not be free and fair unless Ms Suu Kyi was freed.

    A new human rights body created by Asean, lambasted by regional activists as lacking any enforcement power, was almost scuttled over the weekend when an increasingly assertive Indonesia sought to strengthen its provisions.


    Hillary is doing such an amazing job over there.

  7. Brooks is right on some matters, but is laughable with his repeated insistence that Obama’s problem is that he “fears and avoids conflict”.

    No, Mr Brooks. Obama relishes and does quite well at conflict, when what is at stake is his personal benefit. As we saw during the primaries and election, he has no problem at all with engaging in very nasty conflict, indeed, when there is something he personally wants.

    He just can’t be arsed to engage in any conflict to achieve any goals for the American people – goals that bore him, and about which he does not care in the slightest. He’s puzzled that he was rewarded so handsomely for crying, “Look at me, me me!” for 2 years, but now is being critiqued for essentially the same behavior and mindset. I mean, really, from his point of view it’s hardly fair.

    He’s a narcissist, Mr. Brooks, plain and simple, and narcissists are only strong and cutthroat when their own person and self-image are at stake. The concerns of others, like say, the American people, are so far outside their realm of conscious thought as to be utterly foreign to them. And you want him to be cognizant of those things NOW? You want him to put aside his self-interest and fight for others? What in the BLOODY HELL ever gave you the foggiest notion that this man would be capable of that?

  8. Russia Lavrov, Clinton to meet Wednesday in Thailand

    MOSCOW, July 21 (RIA Novosti) – Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will meet on Wednesday in Thailand on the sidelines of an ASEAN meeting, a ministry spokesman said on Tuesday.

    “Yes, I can confirm that their meeting is scheduled for July 22. This will be the first contact between the heads of the foreign policy agencies since the Moscow summit on July 6-8,” Andrei Nesterenko said.

    He said the meeting would focus on specific issues in bilateral ties, “covering the entire agenda of Russian-U.S. relations, aiming to elevate them to new levels” and along a path of “stable, long-term development.”

    He added that the sides would also address Asia-Pacific and international issues.

    Clinton and Lavrov last met on May 7 in Washington.

    Nesterenko also said Russia and the U.S. could hold another round of talks on arms cuts in Geneva in late August or early September.

    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and U.S. President Barack Obama signed an agreement on July 6 outlining basic provisions for a final treaty, including cuts in their countries’ nuclear stockpiles to 1,500-1,675 warheads and delivery vehicles to 500-1,000.

    Moscow has linked progress in the talks to Washington’s concessions on its plans to deploy new missile defense bases in Europe.

  9. “No, Mr Brooks. Obama relishes and does quite well at conflict”


    My personal thoughts are that yes he does well, but only when he can use the “throw someone under the bus” defense and come out of it a winner.

  10. My error, it wasn’t in this op-ed that Brooks said this, it was another one. Still, my point remains.

  11. Brit Hume was ok at ABC but really is a right wing tool…Morries is avbout as despicable human being you can get. I would venture to say Obama likes Hillary and Bill more than Dick.

  12. Obaba = Bush III

    ” WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is morphing into George W. Bush, as administration attorneys repeatedly adopt the executive-authority and national-security rationales that their Republican predecessors preferred.

    In courtroom battles and freedom-of-information fights from Washington, D.C., to California, Obama’s legal arguments repeatedly mirror Bush’s: White House turf is to be protected, secrets must be retained and dire warnings are wielded as weapons.

    “It’s putting up a veritable wall around the White House, and it’s so at odds with Obama’s campaign commitment to more open government,” said Anne Weismann, chief counsel for Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a legal watchdog group.

  13. Get close to a trash can when you read this…

    Democrats Want to Teach You to Die With Dignity

    Let’s back up for a minute. I noted some time ago Jay Rockefeller went on record to say that at some point the government has to decide whether or not you are allowed to receive any more medical benefits if the cost outweighs the potential benefits.

    As Mickey Kaus has noted, both Ezra Klein and Matt Yglesias are on record agreeing. Kaus writes:

    Democratic blogger Ezra Klein appears to be positioning Dem health care reforms as a way to cut costs, on the grounds that a reformed system will be able to make “hard choices” and “rational” coverage decisions, by which Klein seems to mean “not providing” treatments that are unproven or too expensive–when “a person’s life, or health, is not worth the price.” Matthew Yglesias’ recent post seems to be saying the same thing, though clarity isn’t its strong suit.

    Weirdo cum intellectual Peter Singer, a man who favors post-birth abortions of disabled children, took to the New York Times to write

    You have advanced kidney cancer. It will kill you, probably in the next year or two. A drug called Sutent slows the spread of the cancer and may give you an extra six months, but at a cost of $54,000. Is a few more months worth that much?

    If you can afford it, you probably would pay that much, or more, to live longer, even if your quality of life wasn’t going to be good. But suppose it’s not you with the cancer but a stranger covered by your health-insurance fund. If the insurer provides this man – and everyone else like him – with Sutent, your premiums will increase. Do you still think the drug is a good value? Suppose the treatment cost a million dollars. Would it be worth it then? Ten million? Is there any limit to how much you would want your insurer to pay for a drug that adds six months to someone’s life? If there is any point at which you say, “No, an extra six months isn’t worth that much,” then you think that health care should be rationed.

    In his article, he argues that, in effect, we should euthanize the elderly.

    I think, given that the member of Congress who drafted H.R. 3200 read and take seriously people like Klien, Yglesias, and Singer, we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The section, titled “Advanced Care Planning Consultation” requires senior citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse practitioner to discuss dying with dignity.

    The section requires that they talk to their doctor, not a lawyer, about living wills, durable healthcare powers of attorney, hospice, etc. Given the progressive intelligentsia already being on the record in favor of euthanizing the elderly, it is no small leap to see where the Democrats are headed with this.

    Legally forcing senior citizens to have “death with dignity schedules every few years is just another way to say the government wants to make sure seniors know it is time to commit suicide to save the system money.

    And saving any medical system through encouraged deaths of the elderly or unborn is not a medical system worth having. The Hippocratic Oath requires doctors to “do no harm.” That’s meant toward the patient, not the costs to the government.

  14. Stalling the report should be criminal, but then we are dealing with a criminal. David Brooks I give no credit to. He is covering his Axx. All of these truth were Self Evident. I think that was said in the Declaration of Independance or somewhere (We hold these Truths to be Self Evident). David, you screwed the American people, and you knew exactly what you were doing. You had no evidence that this man knew how to lead or what his record was. You could even see that he voted present to disguise his record. Also, if you had anything to do with the Primaries, you would have seen the fraud and bullying, and new this man was not one to unify a party, let alone a nation, or world. You are as responsible as all of those in the Media, who are smart people who committed the fraud with He is the One. He is all yours
    NMF: superb smackdown of that bastard brooks.

  15. Both Henry Waxman and Steny Hoyer have laughed rather publicly in response to our requests for reading the legislations before voting. In late May, Waxman brought in a speed reader to one of his hearings for cap and trade. It’s immortalized on a CSPAN video. On July 8 CNS reported that Hoyer found the pledge to read before voting humorous.
    Yesterday at another blog there was [spoofing] speculation that legislation may not be written until after the vote. But, you know, I am seriously wondering if the arrogance of The Fools On The Hill has grown so large as to embrace such a policy.
    Let us hope there is a video clip someplace which shows them laughing at the suggestion that because they are legislators that they should read and understand the legislation before they vote on it. The bills they are signing are written by lobbyists. They know what is in them. How about asking for an executive summary of the key points. Is that laughable too. When they laugh at this suggestion, they are laughing at the Constitution, their oath and the people they are sworn to represent. Thus, I laugh at them when they laugh at us in re. this suggestion. It is symptomatic of how out of touch they are with the country, and foreshadows the death march bastard brooks mentions in his cya article. If the republicans do not make hay of this, then they are guilty of political malpractice

  16. Excellent to have you back, admin!

    And excellent article, as always.

    I wonder of this is one of the reasons BO is trying to steamroll health care through congress..

    ‘In the first quarter of the calendar year, tax collections dropped by 11.7 per cent, the largest fall on record, according to the Rockefeller Institute of Government. Of 50 states, some 45 reported declines.”

    I also wonder if HRC isn’t secretly delighted to be far away from the healthcare bonndoggle. On the other hand, it must break her heart that the cause she championed for so long has been decimated by the BO.

  17. ‘Morries is avbout as despicable human being you can get.”

    I finally figured out why toe-sucker is on Fox so much.

    His son is Clayton Morris, the Early Show anchor. (7-9AM)

  18. gonzotx Says:

    July 21st, 2009 at 1:18 pm
    Get close to a trash can when you read this…


    I think that title should be corrected to read: True Democrats want to teach the dims/obama to behave/live with dignity.

  19. gonzo,
    This is the future of the US if BO has his way.
    Having suffered from liver disease which I SURVIVED and was CURED of, i can only imagine how this poor kid’s parents must have felt.
    From England.

    A 22-year-old alcoholic has died after being refused a life-saving liver transplant because he was too ill to leave hospital and prove he could stay sober.

    Gary with his mother just days before he died. Pic: The Sunday Times
    Gary Reinbach, who died in hospital on Monday from a severe case of liver cirrhosis, did not qualify for a donor liver under strict NHS rules.
    The alcoholic, from Dagenham, Essex, had admitted binge drinking since he was 13 but was only taken to hospital for the first time with liver problems 10 weeks ago.
    He was never discharged.
    His mother Madeline Hanshaw, 44, said: “These rules are really unfair.”
    She told the Evening Standard: “I’m not saying you should give a transplant to someone who is in and out of hospital all the time and keeps damaging themselves, but just for people like Gary, who made a mistake and never got a second chance.”
    She said he was “desperate to recover” but had deteriorated quickly.
    Mr Reinbach’s family said he had started drinking aged 11 when his parents split up and drank heavily from the age of 13.
    He had recently tried to give up and had signed up for support group Alcoholics Anonymous just weeks before he was taken into hospital, they said.
    His brother Luke, 18, told the Evening Standard: “They never gave him the chance to show he could change.”
    Mr Reinbach died at University College Hospital, London.
    A hospital spokeswoman said: “Our sympathies are with his family at this time.”
    Campaign group Alcohol Concern said it is worried a rise in teenage drinking will lead to more people suffering alcohol-related illnesses at younger ages.
    “There has not really been much research into younger people’s drinking and the effects that is having on health in this country,” said a spokeswoman.
    She said a study in the US has shown children who begin drinking before they reach 15 are more li • moononpluto Says:
    July 20th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

  20. Moononpluto,


    I LOVED this post yesterday!

    ‘An economics professor stated he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.’

  21. BTW,

    Here’s the link to the article about plummeting state tax revenues.

    The five worst states are CA, (35%) down, NY (31%) down, NJ (24%) down, then FL and Ill. For the complete list and other stats go to;

    www dot ft dot com/cms/s/0/d344b180-7560-11de-9ed5-00144feabdc0 dot html

  22. A 22-year-old alcoholic has died after being refused a life-saving liver transplant because he was too ill to leave hospital and prove he could stay sober.
    Basically same rules here…off alcohol for at least 6 months. The last number that I saw for the UK were 17,000 patients on the list for liver transplant and 50-200 livers are available a year. So a binge drinker who is dying very quickly from alcoholic cirrhosis vs an alcoholic who has shown that he can be sober for at least 6 months who would you give the liver to? That is assuming that a liver was available for immediate transplant.

  23. SHV,

    What saddens me is how young this person was. I understand the rules but it just seems a tragic waste of life to me.


    The White House on Monday shifted President Obama’s planned primetime news conference on Wednesday from 9 00 p.m. to 8 00 p.m. after NBC indicated that it would not carry it live since it would have had to preempt America’s Got Talent , the most popular show of the summer. (It is planning to air an interview with Susan Boyle, the runner-up on Britain’s Got Talent , on Wednesday. The interview, with Meredith Vieira, co-host of the Today show, is expected to boost the show’s ratings, which have fallen slightly since last year.) The time change did not alter Fox’s determination not to carry the news conference live. It airs its two-hour So You Think You Can Dance on Wednesday nights. It noted that the news conference would be carried by its cable news channel, the Fox News Network.

  25. SHV,

    I didn’t know that was also the rule here in the US.

    Still, it seems age should be factored into the decision.

    it’s one thing to deny a 60 year old alcoholic but another to turn down a 22 year old, IMHO.

    but thanks for the clarification.

  26. I understand the rules but it just seems a tragic waste of life to me
    Exactly..and the interventions that might have saved his live should have begun when he started binge drinking at age 13. With his history, I don’t think the chances of him staying off alcohol, taking all of the medicines needed to prevent rejection and keeping medical appointments were terribly good. The other thing to remember is that if this person got the liver, the “34 yo with 3 kids was going to die.”


    From the WSJ:

    Let’s Face It: Obama Is No Post-Partisan

    Only last summer we were told that Barack Obama’s political appeal rested on his vision for a “post-partisan future.” The post-partisan future was one of the press corps’ favorite phrases. It served as shorthand for the candidate’s repeated references to “unity of purpose,” looking beyond a red or blue America, and so on.

    Six months into the president’s term, you don’t read much about this post-partisan future anymore. It may be because on almost every big-ticket legislative item (the stimulus, climate change, and now health care), Mr. Obama has been pushing a highly ideological agenda with little (and in some cases zero) support from across the aisle. Yet far from stating the obvious—that sitting in the Oval Office is a very partisan president—the press corps is allowing Mr. Obama to evade the issue by coming up with novel redefinitions.

    The redefinition started during the stimulus debate, but it really picked up steam late last month with David Axelrod’s appearance on ABC’s “This Week.” There the president’s chief strategist explained that a bill didn’t need Republican votes to be “bipartisan”; it was enough if Republican “ideas” were included. A few days earlier, Rahm Emanuel had offered reporters another redefinition, suggesting that a bill was bipartisan if people merely “saw the president trying” to get Republicans on board.

    The president himself endorsed this redefinition during Rose Garden remarks delivered after a Senate committee passed a health-care bill on a strictly party-line vote. Perhaps only someone who truly embraces “the audacity of hope” could see healthy bipartisanship at work in the complete lack of GOP votes. Here’s how he put it: “It’s a plan that was debated for more than 50 hours and that, by the way, includes 160 Republican amendments—a hopeful sign of bipartisan support for the final product.”

    Let’s leave aside specific complaints from Republicans, who note that the “Republican” amendments the president cited are mostly technical in nature. The larger point is that the White House’s new definitions of bipartisanship are just like the fake “jobs saved or created” numbers Mr. Obama used to justify the stimulus at a time when the economy was in fact shedding tens of thousands of jobs. And the press should call him on it.

    Honest reporting would seem especially important at a time when the future of a large and vital segment of the American economy is at stake. In addition to higher costs, other Republican objections to the president’s health-care proposal include the establishment of a government-run insurance plan that will compete with private insurers—and the refusal to equalize the tax treatment between individually purchased and employer-provided health insurance. In all these areas, the president has shown no interest in compromise.

    The president’s inflexibility is having an interesting effect—on Democrats. The chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Max Baucus (D., Mont.), believes he would attract Republican votes if the bill helped pay for the expanded health care by subjecting employer-provided health benefits to the same taxes imposed on individual plans. He has also complained that the president is “making it difficult” to get a bill through. Surely it says something about Mr. Obama’s partisanship that this complaint issues from the one Democratic leader committed to producing a bipartisan health-care bill.

    Mr. Baucus is not the only one. Other Democratic pols, especially those from the more conservative states, do not relish the prospect of being on the hook for a health-care package that even the Congressional Budget Office says will raise health costs rather than lower them. Nor do they appreciate the ads the president is now running in their states via the Democratic National Committee. These ads target moderate Democrats in an effort to pressure them into passing the president’s health-care proposal quickly.

    Back when George W. Bush was in the Oval Office, the press routinely characterized almost everything he and the GOP Congress did as partisan. While it’s true that some parts of his agenda were passed on a purely partisan basis—most notably, the 2003 tax cuts pushed through the Senate with the deciding vote cast by Vice President Dick Cheney—this was the exception rather than the rule. In fact, many of the most far-reaching bills pushed by President Bush—the Patriot Act, the war-funding bills, No Child Left Behind, the Medicare drug benefit, etc.—were in the end passed with a healthy number of Democratic votes.

    In itself, of course, there’s nothing inherently wrong with opting to forgo bipartisanship support for the sake of getting your ideas through. That, however, is not what Candidate Obama promised. And just think how the debate would change if the press were to begin describing Mr. Obama in a way that seems reserved for Republicans: a highly partisan president pursuing a narrow partisan agenda.

  28. I just heard BO said on a liberal blog last night that if he can’t get healthcare through the regular way he’ll do ‘reconciliation’ to bypass the regular route.

    I’m concerned about this bill not only for the country but also, (selfishly) coz of my health situation. Having recently beat an 18 month treatment for liver disease and now undergoing chemo for lymphoma, I’m one of those people who has never been seriously ill, spent my life working and paying into SS, medicare, pension,
    disability insurance and suddenly got hit with a double whammy.
    Fortunately, so far my record of having paid into the system has helped me and let’s face it, NO ONE ever thinks they’re going to come down with a serious disease until it happens to them. But from what I understand about the BO bill, I’d have to fight tooth and nail for the TX I’m currently receiving. How is that fair for someone who’s contributed to the system for years? Sorry, but I’m a bit sensitive about the issue.

  29. ‘The other thing to remember is that if this person got the liver, the “34 yo with 3 kids was going to die.”

    So true.

    When i was fighting liver disease i was on a chat forum with a mother trying desperately to keep her teenage son alive long enough to get a translpant. He was a hemphiliac and hadn’t responded to regular liver treatment. Unfortunately, he was on the list but didn’t get to the top quickly enough to save his life.

    it was so sad.d

  30. it’s one thing to deny a 60 year old alcoholic but another to turn down a 22 year old, IMHO.
    Well, what about the 12 yo that died because he go the liver…I haven’t reviewed the liver criteria recently but in general it is based on severity of illness and “social factors” don’t play a big role. The patients “MELD” score ranks the patient on the list. The system can be “gamed” somewhat. An example is Bill Gates who moved to Memphis for his liver transplant. In the Bay area, the “score” to get a liver is ~ 34, in Memphis it is ~ 19. When he moved to TN, his score was high enough that he was near the top of the list. Over all I think the organ transplant system works pretty well, when there are many more thousand of people who need a transplant vs the number of organs available.

  31. ‘Well, what about the 12 yo that died because he go the liver…’

    I’m not trying to argue with you.

    it’s sad when anyone doesn’t receive adequate timely medical care, IMHO.



    Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Trust in President Barack Obama and his Democratic allies to identify the right solutions to problems facing the country has dropped off significantly since March, according to a new Public Strategies Inc./POLITICO poll.

    Just as Obama intensifies his efforts to fulfill a campaign promise and reach an agreement with Congress on health care reform, the number of Americans who say they trust the president has fallen from 66 percent to 54 percent. At the same time, the percentage of those who say they do not trust the president has jumped from 31 to 42.

    The president’s party has taken a similar hit since the last Public Trust Monitor poll, with only 42 percent of respondents saying that they trust the Democratic Party, compared with 52 percent who do not. The party’s numbers are nearly the inverse of March’s survey, in which 52 percent said they trusted Democrats and 42 percent did not.

    Obama’s personal approval rating has fallen below 60 percent in a number of recent major polls, and according to a Washington Post/ABC News survey out Monday, support for the president’s leadership on several key issues has fallen below 50 percent.

    But whatever the problems faced by Obama and his party, they still earn higher approval ratings than other Washington leaders or the Republican Party, according to the Public Trust Monitor poll. And the loss in trust in Democrats did not correspond with a gain for the GOP: Trust in Republicans fell from 40 percent in March to 36 percent in the recent survey.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Alaska GOP Gov. Sarah Palin also took small hits in public trust, slipping to 24 percent from 26 percent and to 35 percent from 38 percent. Only 15 percent of respondents said they trust House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio), while 32 percent said they trust former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, a likely 2012 Republican presidential candidate, and 24 percent said they trust Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, one of the principal architects of the Obama administration’s economic policy.

    The poll is based on 1,000 online surveys of registered voters conducted July 9-12 by Public Strategies Inc., a business advisory firm based in Austin, Texas, in conjunction with POLITICO, and has a 3.1 percentage point margin of error.

    Along with Obama’s declining personal numbers, there were other signs in the poll of potential problems for his administration and agenda. Only 44 percent of those polled said the federal government is headed on the right track. In March, only a few months into Obama’s presidency, 54 percent said the federal government was on the right track, up 19 percentage points from the closing days of the Bush administration in December. Meanwhile, trust in the federal government has dropped from 63 percent to 58 percent since March, while trust that it will manage its finances responsibly has fallen from 40 percent to 32 percent during that time.

    Just as faith in the president has slipped since March, so, too, has trust in much of his agenda.

    The number of respondents who think the $787 billion federal stimulus package will have a positive impact on the nation’s economy has dropped from 56 percent to 45 percent. The percentage of those who think the stimulus will have a negative impact has remained steady at just more than a quarter of those polled, but the number of those who think the stimulus will have no impact on the economy has jumped from 18 percent to 28 percent.

    When looking at their own lives, respondents were even less positive about the stimulus. More than half, 56 percent, said the $787 billion package will have no impact on their life, up from 45 percent. Only 22 percent think the stimulus will have a positive impact on them, down from 36 percent in March; 23 percent think it will have a negative impact, up slightly from 20 percent.

    In addition, more respondents said government-managed solutions would make the health care situation worse than said they would make it better or keep the situation the same.

    Asked what effect a government-managed health care coverage option would have on access to health services, 40 percent said it would make the situation worse, 38 percent said it would make it better and 22 percent said it would remain the same. Asked what its effect would be on the quality of health care, 42 percent said it would make health care worse, 33 percent said it would make it better and 25 percent said it would not have an effect.

    Nearly half of respondents — 44 percent — believe government-managed coverage will increase the price of health care. Only 27 percent think a government-managed health care system would lower costs, while 29 percent said prices would remain the same.

    That concern about the cost of health care may also be reflected in growing anxiety that the Obama administration will raise taxes. Asked if their taxes would increase or decrease under Obama’s watch, 63 percent said their taxes will be higher, and only 9 percent said their tax burden will decrease. In March, 54 percent thought their taxes would be higher, compared with 17 percent who believed their taxes would go down.

    Support for further regulation of American business has also dropped off markedly.

    Just under half of those polled said regulation of corporations should be increased, down from 61 percent in March. In addition, a plurality of 40 percent of Americans fear the federal government will go too far in regulating financial institutions, up 9 percentage points from March, when voters were more worried that the government would not go far enough in regulating financial firms.

    At the same time, nearly two-thirds of those polled fear the government will provide too much financial help to ailing companies, up from just over half of those polled in March.

    As support for regulation has dropped, trust in American business has increased.

    While 59 percent still do not trust corporations to do the right thing, the number who do has ticked up from 37 percent to 41 percent. At the same time, despite lagging economic indicators, 53 percent of the poll’s respondents believe American business is on the right track. In March, only 40 percent said the same.

    The increased trust in corporations and dropping faith in government may, oddly, indicate that those polled believe the economy is on its way back. Asked which of the two will play a larger role in economic recovery, 32 percent said the government and 68 percent said business.

  33. heres your change folks…and not a peep from the koolaiders.

    WASHINGTON (AP) – President Barack Obama has irked close allies in Congress by declaring he has the right to ignore legislation on constitutional grounds after having criticized George W. Bush for doing the same.

    Four senior House Democrats on Tuesday said they were “surprised” and “chagrined” by Obama’s declaration in June that he doesn’t have to comply with provisions in a war spending bill that puts conditions on aid provided to the World Bank and International Monetary Fund.

    In a signing statement accompanying the $106 billion bill, Obama said he wouldn’t allow the legislation to interfere with his authority as president to conduct foreign policy and negotiate with other governments. Earlier in his 6-month-old administration, Obama issued a signing statement regarding provisions in a $410 billion omnibus spending bill.

  34. it’s sad when anyone doesn’t receive adequate timely medical care, IMHO.
    That is the bottom line and Obama-care sure as hell won’t do it.

  35. the problem is and i know a lot about the UK nhs health system is that some people cannot be helped, it is vastly overstretched money wise,staff wise and the uk population is indulging in a serious case of binge drinking that is putting so many lives at risk, that doctors somehow have to make difficult choices. This 22 yr old boy has been allowed to binge drink since he was 13, where was the mother, where was anyone and the boy could have stopped at any age but he did’nt. I’m sorry he died but does not alter the fact that he showed no wish to stop.

    Socialised medicine in the UK is on the verge of going bust, it has been for years, its been substantially propped up, the budget for the uk NHS is at basic 100 bn for this year and that covers a population of over 50 million, the US cannot have a full socialised healthcare, thats over 250 million.

    When you have socialised medicine, the problem is that there is no incentive to look after yourself in many cases as many leave it to the “oh well, the govt will look after me”. I think thats the wrong step to be taking.

  36. Its amazing when you look at the Uk health system and what it offers but won’t able too soon.

    Did you know, the UK gives full HIV treatment to any foreigner free of charge. You can walk into a UK STD clinic and get treated for any sexual disease free and without have to disclose who you are.

  37. hi moononpluto,

    Upthread I wrote i loved that post yesterday.

    About healthcare, I fell both guilty and angry about A) my need for it and B) my fear that i won’t be eligible if Bo passes his monstrosity.

    It’s very upsetting.

  38. Sorry everyone for posting such personal stuff today but I am having mixed emotions about health, treatment, insurance –

    I start 6 hour infusions this week and it’s scary. What’s even scarier is wondering if I’ll be able to continue getting the treatment.

    It sucks needing such expensive drugs, tests, diagnosis -. I feel guilty sometimes that I’m able to get treatment (for now) while others can’t.

    I’m glad i have to cover a town board meeting, now, to take my mind off of Thursday’s day-long treatment.

  39. he budget for the uk NHS is at basic 100 bn for this year and that covers a population of over 50 million, the US cannot…
    I assume that is 100 billion pounds (164 billion dollars) for a UK population of 64 million. Extrapolated to the US with a population of ~ 310 million that would be roughly $800 billion. That is a deal, if my numbers are correct. The US health cost is ~$2,400 billion/year and the Insurance Industry takes $600 billion of that “off the top”.

  40. SHV, yes but the cost of what the cost is in the uk is far less than what it would cost in the US. The healthcare industry would milk it like a cow.

  41. The healthcare industry would milk it like a cow.
    Exactly..the idea of voluntary cost cutting, as in Obama-care is a joke. Profits for the health insurance industry have increased 480% in 10 years. Health care has to be “rationed”, there isn’t enough money in the GDP to support unlimited health care. Right now, there is rationing based on employment status and by clerks at the insurance companies. In California, a few years ago, the insurance companies were paying bonuses to employees with the best record for denial of benefits. There are commercial software programs that will screen insurance claims and reduce payout based on a given percentage that is programed in. Across the board 10% denials are going to make a nice increase in profits but doesn’t pass a threshold were it is worth the expense for the patient to hire a lawyer. The Insurance Companies aren’t in business to provide health care, they are in business to make money.

  42. Well, don’t worry. Obama is not promoting anything like socialized medicine. Read the damn CBO reports. 0 to 9 million people would end up in the public plan the rest of us will be forced to buy your vaunted private insurance. I have news for you all, HILLARY IS TO THE LEFT OF OBAMA ON HEALTH CARE. Hell, she called private, for-profit health insurance a “market failure”. She said if she had 55 seats in the Senate, she would debate Medicare for All. By the by, if single payer is so effing bad, why are all our seniors staying on it? Why are they not demanding the right to purchase private insurance? I understand y’all hate Obama, but my lord, he’s not at all to the Left on health care. Since when is forcing Americans to buy for-profit health insurance considered a leftist position? Wake up and smell the coffee. Obama’s plan sucks because it’s a boondoggle for the private insurers!

  43. By the by, if single payer is so effing bad, why are all our seniors staying on it?
    I haven’t seen too many seniors marching on Washington and burning their Medicare cards. One of the best days of my life was when I go my Medicare card in the mail. After three years of dealing with “denials of service”, “the charges don’t fit our “profile”, balance billing etc.; to the tune of ~ $50,0000 out of pocket, the Medicare card looked very good to me. I must say that many of the people who cry “we don’t want govt health care” either have great insurance and a lot of cash to cover denials and deductible or haven’t had significant health care costs recently. The vast majority of Americans with health insurance are one serious illness or accident away from personal bankruptcy.

  44. SHV, I’m shocked by the discourse here today. Hillary proposed a massive public option (and would have debated single payer with a mere 55 senate majority), and proposed a cap on total health expenditures any of us could be asked to pay in a single year on health care, etc., etc., and here are all these supposed Hillary supporters sounding a hell of a lot closer to Sam Brownback on health care, than Hillary Clinton. Obama’s plan should be laid to rest, but not because it’s too liberal. That’s absurd. It’s because it is terrible policy that will further entrench us in the private, for profit, employer-based health insurance scheme! I’m stunned that the reaction here to Obama’s plan is it’s too liberal! That’s a laugh riot!

    And, yes, exactly, seniors love their single payer, my guess is the rest of us would too, but not to worry all you free market health insurance supporters, this plan will ensure that doesn’t happen.

  45. Some real eye opening connections from Chicago by Evelyn Pringle on the
    man from ?


    Barack Obama – The Wizard Of Oz

    By Evelyn Pringle

    28 March, 2008

    The most trusted leaders of the Democratic party, such as John Kerry and Ted Kennedy, ought to be ashamed of themselves for supporting Barack Obama. With use of the internet, a fifth grader could connect the dots to show a picture of a guy who was picked up in college and carried up the political ladder by a corrupt gang of influence peddlers.

    John McCain is just drooling waiting for Obama to become the nominee so that he can come out with the trail of dirt that the Democratic party is too afraid to reveal this late in the in the game. If nominated, Obama will not survive a month when faced with the Republican attack machine.

    If he becomes the nominee, the web of corruption leading to Obama’s rise to power that this investigative journalist was able to untangle in less than three weeks, will be front page news right up until election day, handing the Republicans their only chance in hell of winning the White House.

    Instead of the leaders of the Democratic party doing their homework, a small group of investigative reporters in Chicago will be credited with exposing the corrupt backbone of Obama political career and the mainstream media need only follow their lead if the Democrats hold him out to be a viable candidate.

    The list of reporters deserving of credit for doing the investigative work that should have been done by the leaders of the Democratic party before they got behind Obama, includes, but is not limited to, Chicago Sun-Times reporters, Tim Novak, Dave McKinney, Fran Spielman, Chris Fusco, Natasha Korecki, Steve Warmbir and Lynn Sweet. Chicago Tribune reporters especially deserving of credit include Jeff Coen, Bob Secter, John Chase, Virginia Groark, Rick Pearson, David Jackson, John McCormick, Mickey Ciokajlo, Rudolph Bush and Dan Mihalopoulos.

    This article is the first in a series that will give the details of Obama’s rise to fame.

    As for the most recognized allegation against Obama, that helped slumlords operate in Chicago, while accepting their campaign contributions, its true. Obama was a member of the political machine that helped a whole gang of slumlords funnel local, state and federal tax dollars, over the backs of poor people in need of affordable housing, to line their own pockets and fund the campaigns of politicians in positions to recommend and award contracts.

    The Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland law firm, where Obama worked for nearly a decade, served as a hub for a slew of slumlord deals, many that benefited the firm’s founder, Allison Davis, and Obama’s claims that he knew nothing about the inner workings of this small firm, represent an insult to the intelligence of the American public.

    Tony Rezko was Obama political Godfather. Obama received his first contributions of $2,000, to launch his political career as a state senator on July 31, 1995, from Rezko. Obama started out saying that Rezko only raised $50,000 or $60,000 for his political career but after a year of lying his way through the primaries, the latest total he gave to the Sun-Times and Tribune during interviews on March 14, 2008, adds up to $250,000.

    For a year, he also minimized his relationship with Rezko by telling the media that he only had dinner or lunch with Rezko one or twice a year. But when confronted by Sun-Times reporters during the March 14 interview, with the allegation that an FBI mole saw him coming and going to Rezko’s office often and that three sources said he talked to Rezko on the phone daily, Obama changed his tune.

    Now the story is that he may have talked to Rezko daily at times during campaigns but sometimes he went for a whole month without talking to him. “I have to say we’re talking over the course of 10 years,” Obama said, “there might have been spurts where I talked to him daily.”

    But then he added: “There might have been stretches over a month where I wouldn’t have talked to him at all.”

    This story is a far cry from the picture Obama gave to the public of him and Rezko meeting once or twice a year, and he never did respond to the allegation by the Times reporter that an FBI mole “saw you coming and going from Rezko’s office a lot.“

    Without Rezko’s fundraising, Obama would not have been elected to the Illinois senate, or the US Senate, and he would not have sold the books he wrote about himself because like the Wizard of Oz, Obama is nobody special.

    Even with Rezko’s massive fund raising, Obama could not beat former Black Panther, Bobby Rush, in his 2000 bid for a seat in Congress. And the only reason he won the US Senate race was because his viable opponents had to drop out due to the public airing of personal scandals. Beating Alan Keyes is hardly a victory to brag about.

    The media needs to quit grouping all the Obama backers under the name Antoin “Tony” Resko because the list of contributors to his political campaigns includes the names of many individuals and entities with their own agendas.

    The trail of corruption involving the people raising money for Obama’s political career stretches from the city of Chicago to the Illinois tollway to the O’Hare airport all the way over to Iraq. And testimony in Rezko’s corruption trial reveals that an equal number of Democrat and Republican crooks benefited from all the moneymaking schemes.

    Rezko is not a Democrat; he’s an equal opportunity profiteer. He supported President George Bush and attended a Christmas party at the White House in December 2003, at the same time that he was a top fundraiser for Obama’s US Senate campaign.

    Rezko co-hosted a $3.8 million Chicago fundraiser for Bush in 2003, and on December 9, 2003, he donated $4,000 to Bush, as a “self-employed businessman,” and gave another $2,000 on December 19, 2003, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

    Prior to backing Rod Blagojevich for governor of Illinois, Rezko threw his money behind Republican candidates for governor, including George Ryan, who was convicted of doling out leases and contracts to cronies and sentenced to prison for more than 6 years.

    Rezko then switched horses and chose Blagojevich in 2002 and Obama has supported Blagojevich, even when his administration was embroiled in corruption investigations.

    Recent testimony in the Rezko trial by his co-conspirator, Chicago businessman, Stuart Levine, explained that Rezko had plans for Blagojevich to be Presidential, not Obama. However, anybody following the trial knows that Blagojevich is more likely to be headed to the “Big House” rather than occupying the White House.

    Obama’s entering into real estate deals with Rezko, while it was public knowledge that he was under investigation for funneling illegal contributions to Illinois politicians, was not a “boneheaded” move, it was motivated by pure greed. While knowing that he would get caught up in a major scandal, Obama went ahead with the deal because he and his wife wanted that mansion, with four fireplaces, six bathrooms, and a wine cellar, period.

    On March 16, 2008, the Boston Globe added an interesting twist to the story when reporting that Donna Schwan, of MetroPro Realty, which listed the mansion and lot next door for the owners, “said it is her recollection that the Obamas may not have made the highest bid, and that other bidders may have matched Rezko’s bid,” but the willingness of both buyers to close in June 2005, “was decisive.”

    Which logically means had Rezko not been willing to buy the lot in June, the deal was off.

    According to an article by Edward McClelland in the February 1, 2008 Salon Magazine, when asked who approached her about the house, Donna Schwan told Salon, “I honestly don’t remember. Tony Rezko lived across the street, so he’d been interested in the lot.”

    Any claim that Obama was unaware of the investigations into the corrupt dealings of Rezko with Illinois politicians in June 2005 is ridiculous. On February 15, 2005, the Chicago Tribune reported:

    “Gov. Rod Blagojevich long has vowed to purge the Illinois tollway of cronyism, yet two of his closest friends and political advisers have links to food vendors awarded lucrative contracts to operate inside the toll road’s sleek new oases, government records show.”

    “The Subway sandwich shops and Panda Express Asian restaurants now being installed in the tollway’s seven revamped rest stops are controlled by firms with strong ties to the food-service empire of Antoin “Tony” Rezko, a Blagojevich confidant who has seeded the governor’s cabinet with former business underlings.”

    Christopher Kelly, Blagojevich’s chief fundraiser, “who also recommended the tollway’s executive director for his job, is an investor in at least one Rezko-controlled food firm,” the Tribune wrote. On March 16, 2005, the Tribune reported that:

    “City officials alleged Tuesday that a minority contractor at O’Hare International Airport acted as a front for a firm run by Antoin “Tony” Rezko, a top adviser and fundraiser for Gov. Rod Blagojevich….

    “Rezko, a member of Blagojevich’s kitchen cabinet of advisers, has come under increased scrutiny in recent weeks following questions about his links to operators of new tollway oasis franchises. The revamp of the oases is a showcase project for the Blagojevich administration.”

    On May 15, 2005, the Sun-Times reported that the accusations by his father-in-law that Blagojevich doled out jobs for campaign contributions had “resulted in dozens of grand jury subpoenas being sent to the governor’s office, his unpaid advisers, agency directors and his top fund-raisers”.

    Among those subpoenaed for documents, sources told the Times, were “Blagojevich’s biggest money men, Christopher Kelly and Antoin “Tony” Rezko.”

    On May 20, 2005, less than a month before Obama bought the mansion, the Tribune reported that Resko, “has had a business relationship with First Lady Patti Blagojevich for eight years, the governor’s office acknowledged Thursday.”

    Six month before Obama bought the strip of land from Rezko’s “wife” to enlarge his yard, on August 28, 2005, Natasha Korecki reported in the Sun-Times that, “there’s so much corruption to investigate in the Chicago area, the FBI is adding manpower.”

    Robert Grant, FBI Special Agent in Charge, told the Times that he had reorganized the bureau to add a third public corruption squad, giving Chicago the largest corruption unit in the country, even bigger than those in New York and Los Angeles.

    “It is the second time in two years the FBI in Chicago has expanded its public corruption force,” Korecki noted.

    On November 6, 2006, the Times asked Obama why he did not reveal the land deal with Rezko before it was reported by the Tribune stating: “Why did you not publicly disclose the transaction after Rezko got indicted?”

    “At the time, it didn’t strike me as relevant,” Obama answered. It seems like a lot of events were not relevant a couple months before he announced his candidacy for president.

    In the November 2007, Chicago Magazine, James Merriner described a “fashion show” that took place in the first week in November 2006, to benefit St Jude Children’s Research Hospital, which he said, “attracted little if any media coverage, which may have been exactly as its organizers and sponsors had hoped.”

    “The invitation to the affair,” he wrote, “offered a veritable guidebook to political influence in Illinois, much of it centered on one St. Jude benefactor, Antoin “Tony” Rezko.”

    “Just three weeks earlier,” Merriner pointed out, “Rezko had been indicted on charges of extorting kickbacks from businesses seeking contracts from the Blagojevich administration.”

    The “fashion show” was chaired by Rita Rezko, co-chaired by the Governor’s wife, Patti Blagojevich, and Michelle Obama was a special guest that day, according to Merriner.

    Two weeks after the “fashion show,” on November 17, 2006, the Sun-Times reported that Blagojevich’s wife Patti got nearly $50,000 from a real estate deal in late 2002 involving Rezko.

    In terms of dollar amounts of campaign contributions directly from Rezko in Illinois, the top four earners were, the now deceased President of the Cook County Board, John Stroger, Blagojevich, Chicago Mayor, Richard Daley, and Obama – in that order.

    Rezko was the head of Stroger’s campaign finance committee at the same time that he served on Obama US Senate finance committee.

    When it came time for Stroger’s reelection campaign, in the midst of the erupting Rezko scandals in the media, on April 8, 2005, the Tribune reported that Stroger “has selected beleaguered businessman and political powerbroker Antoin “Tony” Rezko as one of the honorary chairs of his campaign fundraiser next month.”

    Stroger appointed Rezko’s wife Rita to the Cook County Employee Appeals Board, which hears cases filed by fired or disciplined workers, at a part-time salary of $37,000 a year.

    According to documents filed in the Rezko corruption case, this was Rita’s sole income when she supposedly came up with a $125,000 down payment and secured a $500,000 mortgage to buy the $625,00 lot next to Obama. Less than a year after Obama bought his strip of land, Rita sold the rest of the lot to attorney Michael Sreenan, and made a profit of more than $50,000.

    On February 27, 2007, the Sun-Times pointed out that Obama’s “new neighbor, Michael Sreenan,” had contributed $5,000 to Obama’s campaigns. Less than a year after buying the lot, Sreenan put it up for sale for $1.5 million in October 2007.

    Of course John Stroger will not be answering any questions about corruption, or any other matter, because he died on January 18, 2008. His former chief of staff and godson, Orlando Jones, will not be talking either because he was found dead of self-inflicted gun wounds in September 2007, “just as a corruption inquiry targeting him was heating up,” according to a September 7, 2007 report by CBS News channel 2 Chicago.

    “Jones left his position in county government to create a lobbying firm in association with Tony Rezko, who has been indicted on fraud charges,” CBS reported.

    Cook County Commissioner Tony Peraica told CBS that Orlando Jones’ death raised many questions about the Cook County president’s office. “Some of these matters Jones was involved in that are currently being investigated by the FBI and the U.S. Attorney’s Office are reaching to the highest level of county government,” Peraica said.

    Obama endorsed John Stroger’s son, Todd Stroger, in his bid for Cook County Board President after his father died. Todd was in the news as recently as March 24, 2008, when the Sun-Times published a front-page article reporting that his cousin Donna Dunnings, the county’s new chief financial officer, was receiving a 12% pay increase.

    Dunnings’ salary will be the largest increase of any county employee, with the average increase being around 5%. She will make nearly $160,000 with the pay increase, or roughly $5,000 more than her predecessor made at the job, according to the Times.

    Mayor Daley endorsed Obama immediately after he announced he was running for president and in return, Obama endorsed Daley’s reelection for Mayor right smack in the middle of major federal investigations of corruption in the Daley Administration.

    Obama’s ties to the corrupt Daley machine began when he was dating his wife Michelle and she brought him into the fold. Valerie Jarrett, the deputy chief of staff to Mayor Daley, hired Michelle as her assistant in 1991. Daley made Jarrett the chairman of the Chicago Department of Planning and Development and Michelle worked as her assistant in that Department during 1992-93.

    From there Michelle moved up the political tiers to the University of Chicago and ultimately got an overnight pay raise from about $121,000 to close to $317,000, after Obama became a US Senator, as a vice president at the University of Chicago.

    Susan Sher, was corporation counsel in the Daley Administration when Michelle was hired back in the early 1990s, and Sher is now Michelle’s boss at the University of Chicago, according to the April 22, 2007 Chicago Tribune.

    Shortly after Obama entered the US Senate, Michelle was also handed a position on the board of TreeHouse Foods. Wal-Mart is the largest customer of TreeHouse Foods. Factoring in stock options and other payments, the value of her compensation package for serving on the board in 2006 was $101,083, according to the Tribune report.

    On May 14, 2007, during a meeting with the AFL-CIO in New Jersey, Obama was asked about Wal-Mart and he said: “I won’t shop there.” Michelle resigned from the board of TreeHouse eight days after husband said he would not shop at Wal-Mart, CBS News reported on May 27, 2007.

    When it came time for Obama’s US Senate campaign, Valerie Jarrett became the campaign finance chairman and worked hand and hand with fellow finance committee members, Rita and Tony Rezko, and his former boss at the law firm, Allison Davis, in fundraising endeavors. The committee raised more than $14 million, according to Federal Election Commission records, Tim Novak reported in the Sun-Times on April 23, 2007.

    Jarrett is now the CEO of Habitat Co, a real estate development and management firm which manages the housing program for the Chicago Housing Authority, the entity mandated to administer public housing, and she serves as an unpaid advisor to Obama’s Presidential campaign.

    Mayor Daley’s brother Bill also became an Obama advisor. Mayor Daley’s chief image defender, David Axelrod, is a top strategist for Obama’s campaign and he was also the media consultant for Obama’s US Senate campaign.

    On April 1, 2007, Dick Simpson, a former Chicago alderman who is now chairman of the political science department at the University of Illinois at Chicago, told Ben Wallace-Wells in the New York Times: “David Axelrod’s mostly been visible in Chicago in the last decade as Daley’s public relations strategist and the guy who goes on television to defend Daley from charges of corruption”.

    The scandals involving the Daley administration have no beginning and no end. In January 2004, the Sun-Times published a three-part series exposing widespread corruption in the Hired Truck Program and revealed that some companies were being paid for doing little or no work and that some had mob connections or were tied to city employees.

    On January 25, 2005, the Associated Press reported that trucking company manager, John Cannatello, the 16th person charged in the scandal, was charged with getting $6.6 million in city hauling work “by giving campaign contributions and cash to officials and falsely claiming his firm was eligible for jobs set aside for women-owned businesses.”

    According to the article, city officials said the Hired Truck program, “which at its height doled out $38 million worth of work in one year to contractors without bids, was designed to save taxpayers money by outsourcing hauling jobs that otherwise would require the city to buy trucks and insurance.”

    On June 6, 2006, the Sun-Times reported that the brother-in-law of Cook County Commissioner, John Daley, was sentenced to 18 months in prison “for taking about $5,400 in bribes to steer city business to a Hired Truck company.”

    Of course John Daley is another brother of Mayor Daley.

    On January 6, 2006, the New York Times ran the headline, “Corruption Scandal Loosening Mayor Daley’s Grip on Chicago,” and reported that a “wide-ranging federal investigation into what prosecutors describe as “pervasive fraud” in hiring and contracts at City Hall has led to 30 indictments, including two senior administrators close to the mayor, and a dozen cabinet-level resignations. ”

    The Tribune broke the hiring scandal on April 29, 2005, after federal agents carried out an all-night raid of Daley’s patronage office at City Hall and less than three months later, Robert Sorich, the patronage chief in the Office of Intergovernmental Affairs, and three former city officials, were arrested and charged with fraud to rig city hiring for 12 years.

    During the criminal trial, prosecutors produced a list of more than 5,700 politically connected job applicants, and Patricia Molloy, a longtime secretary in Mayor Daley’s office, testified that aides kept track of applicants and their political sponsors during much of Daley’s time in office, according to a July 7, 2006 report by Rudolph Bush and Dan Mihalopoulos in the Tribune.

    City officials testified that they “were heavily involved in politics and directed city workers and aspiring public employees to knock on doors and work the phones for political candidates endorsed by the mayor,” the July 7, 2006 Tribune report noted.

    “Witnesses who marshaled pro-Daley political groups testified that they took campaign orders from top Daley aides,” the Tribune wrote, “and later got jobs and promotions from the mayor’s office for loyal and effective political workers.”

    Sorich and three others were convicted on July 5, 2006, of carrying out what prosecutors described as fraud in hiring, “complete with sham interviews, rigged test scores and color-coded charts to track political sponsors,” according to the July 6, 2006 Sun-Times.

    Chicago attorney, Michael Shakman, whose federal lawsuit against the city led to anti-patronage decrees, told the Tribune on July 7, 2006, that Daley was to blame for the political hiring system. “You have to lay the responsibility squarely at the feet of Mayor Daley,” he said. “These [defendants] are his people, who never would have thought of doing this without his approval.”

    At the sentencing hearing in November 2006, US District Judge David Coar told Sorich: “If I thought that by sentencing you I could stop this type of hiring corruption in the city of Chicago, I would throw this building at you…. But it won’t,” the Tribune reported on November 21, 2006.

    Obama is a political psychopath. He exhibits no shame, no matter where his money comes from. On September 5, 2007, the New York Post reported that, “Alexi Giannoulias, who became Illinois state treasurer last year after Obama vouched for him, has pledged to raise $100,000 for the senator’s Oval Office bid.”

    “Giannoulias is so tainted by reputed mob links,” the Post noted, “that several top Illinois Dems, including the state’s speaker of the House and party chairman, refused to endorse him even after he won the Democratic nomination with Obama’s help.”

    If the Democratic party places Obama on the ballot against John McCain, Democratic voters will have no choice in this election. Once the whole truth becomes public, and it will the minute he becomes the nominee, no honest American could support sending Obama and his corrupt gang of cronies to the White House.

    (The second article in this series will be “Obama and the Slumlords”)

    (Evelyn Pringle is a columnist for OpEd News and an investigative journalist focused on exposing corruption in government and corporate America)

  46. wbboei at 1:50 PM: Yes I do, but it took me hours to find it again.
    Title of offending video is: Greenhouse Gas Reduction, Day 4, Part 3 286502-102 : C-SPAN Video Library | Created by Cable. Offered as a Public Service. This is the link:

    www dot

    At end of speed reading levity, the speed reader gives his name (Douglas Wilder). The statement of his name is found at 15:04:29-30, so you should begin a few minutes earlier to see the whole ‘joke’.

    You can get a measure of frustration which must have been endured by Republicans who frequently complained that they had not enough time to read if you’d care to view this video from Day 1 of the Green House Gas Reduction [Bill]:
    www dot

    Many of them point out that volumes of new pages were added without a reasonable opportunity to read them. They complained about the haste of this important bill being driven by Dem’s desire to get on to HealthCare legislation. Toward the end of this 2 hour 19 minute video, there is considerable discussion about whether the bill will be considered ‘already read’.

  47. The Chicago connection of BHO and MO.Lots of info from the Rezko trial and a treasure trove proof that we have been HAD


  48. That’s absurd. It’s because it is terrible policy that will further entrench us in the private, for profit, employer-based health insurance scheme!
    Obama doesn’t give a sh*t what passes as long as he can have a “Health Reform” signing ceremony in the Rose Garden. Your are correct, whatever “health plan” that gets 60 Senate votes will be a disaster for the American People. If Obama-care is signed into law, real health reform will be dead for at least another decade and the group that is really going to be hurt is the 50-65 year old age group. These people are losing their jobs and health insurance, and are unlikely to be rehired or to have health insurance ever again. Even with the mortgage meltdown and many people having “underwater mortgages”, 60% of personal bankruptcies are still caused by medical bills and 80% of those people had/have health insurance. I suspect that the saying about the “biggest supporter of law and order is a liberal who has been mugged” can be applied to the “we don’t want socialized medicine group” when they get hit with a $150,000 medical bill, (and in today’s medical environment, a $150,000 bill is small potatoes.)

  49. SHV, funny you say this:

    “If Obama-care is signed into law, real health reform will be dead for at least another decade and the group that is really going to be hurt is the 50-65 year old age group. These people are losing their jobs and health insurance, and are unlikely to be rehired or to have health insurance ever again.”

    This is precisely what Bill Clinton predicted 15 years ago when he suggested this age group be able to opt-in to Medicare. Now that, my friends, was a liberal proposal, NOT Obamacare.

  50. This is precisely what Bill Clinton predicted 15 years ago
    President Clinton has proposed allowing people ages 62 through 64 to buy into Medicare if they do not have access to employer-sponsored or federal health insurance. Displaced workers ages 55 through 61 generally would also be allowed to buy in if they lost employer-sponsored insurance. In addition, retirees ages 55 and over whose former employers terminated or substantially reduced retiree health insurance would be permitted to extend their COBRA coverage (defined on page 6) until age 65. The proposals have been introduced as H.R. 3470 (Representative Stark) and S. 1789 (Senator Moynihan).

    Blocked by Republicans and the Health Insurance Industry…If that had passed it would have made a big difference for the people being fired from their jobs today….The biggest beneficiary from a single-payer plan would be American Business..they are getting hammered by health care costs. One reason why many unions are against single-payer.

  51. Hi all. Hope all’s well with those who may remember me from the campaign.

    Just dropped in for a quick rant, because if you wanted it in a nutshell, it’s right there over at HuffPost, a front page comparing BO to Eisenhower for cutting a whopping 1.75 Billion for larely obsolete F-22 fighters. UNBELIEVABLE!!!

    This after he’s given or promised to give over $12 Trillion to Wall St, on aday where California announces no more music for kids in school, no art, no nothing.

    What a fucking joke! But then we all knew this was coming, didn’t we Basil 🙂 I do have to admit, howver, even I never envisioned the theft to be so large and brazen, and my thinking has actually evolved, or rather shifted over the 50-yard line from where it was during the primaries.

    End of the day, the people are supposed to run this country.
    And if they permit (their lifeline) the media to be hijacked, they’re actually getting BETTER representation than they deserve.

    Long story short, we’re all gonna die!

    Haha, bet your all glad I stopped by.

    Stay well and (if you haven’t already) check out Matt Tiaibbi in Rolling Stone on Lehman Bros – on the off-chance you feel like puking.

  52. Blocked by Republicans and the Health Insurance Industry…If that had passed it would have made a big difference for the people being fired from their jobs today….The biggest beneficiary from a single-payer plan would be American Business..they are getting hammered by health care costs. One reason why many unions are against single-payer.

    One of the reasons big unions are against single payer is because a) it’s one of the few benefits they can still offer their employees, and b) some actually administer their own insurance programs. The reason big business hasn’t spoken up for single payer is it goes against their ideology, even if it makes good business sense.

  53. I agree with mj as well. I want SINGLE PAYER. And BTW, what the UK has is not single payer, it is true socialized medicine (where the govt OWNS the entire system, the clinics, etc, and health care workers are govt employees).

    I do not want “socialized medicine”, I want single payer govt-run INSURANCE, like Medicare. The two are not the same. It can be done relatively cheaply. The reason why Medicare is underwater is largely because its pool is limited to only the elderly, and they use LOTS of healthcare dollars. If the pool included everyone, the cost gets spread among the young and healthy as well.

  54. I do not want “socialized medicine”, I want single payer govt-run INSURANCE, like Medicare. The two are not the same.
    But the Insurance Companies love to push “that button”…they will say or do anything to protect their $600 billion/year cash flow. Some health insurance co CEO’s have billion dollar compensation packages.

  55. SHV, Mj and others, you can bet Obama is going to helping the big business interest in medicine before he helps the people of America.

    He probably sent HRC to India to get her out of the country while this push for healthcare is going thru the senate and House.

  56. basil9

    I understand your concerns, but I think you are misinformed as to what the effect of a government option would mean.

    They are talking about an expanded medicare for all option. I come from a family of physicians and worked for several years in my father’s office.

    Look at medicare. Hoe many americans do you know…rich or poor…who would give up their medicare. I don’t know any. i do remember as a child….pre medicare…the hospital “charity” wards for those who couldn’t pay. Doctors had to treat these patients for free in order to have priviledges at the hospitals.
    Back to medicare…it is a ppo. … people choose their doctors. It covers 80%. People can obtain secondary insurance for anything not covered by medicare. Doctors like my father routinely accepted the 80% as full payment.
    Because medicare is not for profit, it operates at a 3 or 5% cost as opposed to our insurance companies which pig out at about 18 to 22% and pay multi million salaries to ceo’s. Do the math.

    Like education, I belive health care must be not for profit. If the public option is not successful then the private companies will continue to thrive. If a public option is successful then the private insurers will either die a well deseerved death or exist as supplemantal insurance companies.

    I, for one, am sick of paying for illegal immigrants and every other uninsured person who walks into a hospital, nor can I afford it. Much as I despise BO, the country desperately needs a government option. We have the best insurance option my husband’s job offers…with huge costs…and yet we are underinsured for many serious deseases. Like most americans we are at risk to lose everything despite having insurance.

    I am sad to see so much anti healthcare blogging here. This is the site I go to most often for news .
    I respect the posting here, but increasingly I feel that I am no longer only a person without party but soon perhaps a person with out a blog.

  57. Carol, the public option they are currently discussing is nothing like Medicare and will only cover 0-10 million people. Please read up on it at the PNHP blog.

  58. Much as I despise BO, the country desperately needs a government option.
    Single-payer is going to’s only a question of when and how many millions of Americans are going to suffer until it does happen. The “Public Option” in the HR bill is pathetic but even that won’t survive a Senate vote.
    Obama-care is an example of “something” is worse than nothing”. It’s very difficult to know what is going on. The actual legislation can only be understood by health care lobbyists and Legislative assts. for congressmen. Every piece of commentary that “explains” what is in the legislation begins with an agenda and then supports that position. All that I know is that the Insurance companies aren’t giving up their $600 billion/year cash flow and big Pharma isn’t giving up charging Americans 2 to 4 time what the rest of the world pays for the same meds.

  59. Carol,

    I want a medial plan also. However, I really don’t understand the plan, and I have no confidence that anyone else but the drug companies have. I also know that when we hurry up and pass something, fixing it is difficult.

    So I want something, but I am afraid of what we will get, whether we can afford it, and whether we can fix it. So what do we do in a situation like that.

  60. Just a few pg by pg highlights from Obama Care:

    you can read the rest at

    Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings. This is from his postings (Note: All comments are Fleckman’s)

    Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

    Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill – THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get

    Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill – YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

    Pg 42 of HC Bill – The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!

    PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill – HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

    Pg 58HC Bill – Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!

    Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer

    PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

    Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.

    PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill – Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange

    PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!

    PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill – Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example – Translation 4 illegal aliens

    Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan

    PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members – U Health care WILL b rationed

    -PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill – Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

    pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt Monop

    pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill – Doctors/ #AMA – The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.

    Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE

    Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.

    Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

    pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

    Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc

    Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)

    Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs

    PG 203 Line 14-15 HC – “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that

    Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

    Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill – Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you’ll all be paid the same

    PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr’s time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

    PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

    PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

    PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!

    Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

    Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.

    Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

    Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

    pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!

    Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 – Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

    Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan

    Pg 354 Sec 1177 – Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!

    Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy – Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone?

    PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

    Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

    PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death

    PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends

    Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An “adv. care planning consult” will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates

    PG 429 Lines 10-12 “adv. care consultation” may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

    Pg 429 Lines 13-25 – The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

    PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life

    Pg 469 – Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?

    Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?

    PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage

    Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs

  61. Anyone defending Obama is not playing with a full deck….

    BTW the link to the Health Care Bill itself (PDF document) is at Pumas Unleashed. I checked Fleckman’s take at random on the Bill’s language. He’s got it pretty spot on…

  62. Our friend James Carvelle was great when he was supporting Bill and Hillary. I wish he would have run her campaign. He looks like a fish who swam too close to a nuclear reactor, but he has a good mind, alot of energy, and a good heart. There is never a dull moment around him and I suspect that there has been more than one time that his wife has run her thumb aross the edge of a carving knife and cast a wayword glance at his throat. Politics makes strange bedfellows, as someone said.

    He has written a new book about 40 more years of Democrats and if that is true I will be a decade older than ABM 90 before there is any respite. Frankly there is alot of bullshit in it, and the rationale he offers for this namely Bush fatigue that never goes away and changing demographics.

    However he fails to talk about all the jokers in that deck, including the economy, job loss, a deepening recession, a meltdown of Obamas leadership, the dirty politics behind him and their overreaching, and the growing realization that he is a god that failed. Also, he fails to account for the cartel which supported Obama, and the faustian pact which elites bought into,

    On the other hand, what he says about Hillary is profound and you will appreciate it:

    “People ask me who of the people I have met in politics do I admire most. In the past I have demurred and talked about President Clinton.

    Today, the obvious answer to that question is Hillary Clinton.
    However much I admired her at the beginning of the campaign as a person, that admiration has grown and grown for a thousand reasons. . .
    her grace under fire, her ability to deal with disappointment. . .

    The most staggering achievement of the 2008 campaign . . . was that Hillary came back from 11 defeats. Name another politician who has done that. You wont be able to. She performed much better than Obama in the later stages of the campaign. SHE WON 24 OF THE 26 DEBATES. A total of 18 million Americans voted for her.

    Hillary was the better candidate, but Obama ran the better campaign. . . When her critics ask me unfailingly: if you think her campaign was so badly run then how can you think she would have been a better president? The only answer is Bush had a well run campaign. THE KIND OF CAMPAIGN YOU RUN DOESN’T HAVE MUCH TO DO WITH THE KIND OF PRESIDENT YOU WILL BE.”

  63. I have always admired and liked James Carville…I remember meeting him at the Biltmore Hotel in Los Angeles and being awestruck and so thrilled to have the opportunity to speak to him while working on President Bill Clinton’s first presidential campaign…

    …however, James plays the role like so many of the political hacks and there have been times when I have recently heard not only James, but also Paul Begalia, attempt to defend the indefensible…James just plods along with the usual Obama talking points…

    …Paul, on the other hand, has actually been offensive in some of his attacks on Palin…I understand that it is his role to play…but it does make me sick when I see these two basically good guys and Clinton people have to resort to lies and cheap shots just to prop up Obama…

    wouldn’t it be nice if they both were really free to just say it like it is and be honest…but the political game and world they travel in does not allow that truth to be expressed…

  64. Had to jump back for one more to say Hey! to Wbboei.

    On Carville (and I haven’t watched a single talking head for more than 10 seconds since the primaries) he was one of the good guys who always stood tall for the Clintons. But that day is done.

    Whatever the hell this ‘larger game’ is they’ve all bought into playing, it will NEVER fly with me, because just look at what’s being done. It is unprecedented, and the only thing it all has in common is crippling the working people of this country.

    These people, the Carvilles and Begalas, they have a hell of a lot more than 95% of the US population – and while we’ll all continue to go down, they’ll be going up.

    And eventually, the time comes a time to stand for something or stand for nothing. They unfortunately chose the latter.

    They (and everybody else and their mother) are all doin’ their cute little
    re-entries into the discourse, spreading some kind words and making like nothing ever happened.


  65. Here is another night with insomnia, combing the internet for interesting news.
    I found that Hillary signed a deal with India to have American companies build 2 nuclear plants in India. She said it would bring jobs to both countries. I don’t see how, can anyone elaborate? I am sure the Indians will have jobs, but Americans, how???

  66. I just had to report this. I was again over at the DNC blog and was snooping and I ran across this statement by a regular over there. These “birthers” had better move on, they have been struck down by every lawsuit they have filed. Obama is doing a good job, he has been in office six monts and he has had to undo everything that W did in his 8 years, plus some of Reagan’s and Bush I.

    So I guess their still not recognizing that there was a dynamic democratic POTUS in between BushI and W. Those idiots will never give any credit to BC and HRC. BC fixed the economy after Reagun and Bush I, they seem to forget that. They are railing against Palin, especially the women, the same ones that railed against Hillary. Some things never change, idiot socialists will never learn what makes America great!

  67. Hi BLUEDEM!


    Hope you’re having a terrific summer and great to see you here!

    Carol and everyone else about healthcare, thanks for all your clarification. I confess i am very confused about it and since I’m currently in NEED of it my confusion is even greater. I was just switched to medicare coz I currently have a medical disability which prevent s me from full-time work and my former insurance kicks in the other 20% so I guess i should be satisfied. but I’m not. i am nervous as he!! that I’m going to be in the middle of treatment (for what is eminently treatable with a life span beyond of 15+ years) and I’m not ready to kick the bucket. I’m not old, just temporarily sick. And I remember what i had to go through to get treatment for the previous problem even with full employer paid health benefits from 20 years on the job. it wasn’t pretty. Anyone who’s on strong meds, waiting for their next 3 month shipment, which hasn’t yet been approved, knosing that missing even one dose could put you back to square one in terms of treatment, will know what I’m talking about. Even with what was excellent insurance i had to jump through hoops i was physically unprepared for. So yes, I’m terrified about BO. i don’t trust him to begin with. He squandered the ‘’ Bill. he ruined the automobile companies. he’s lied on everything. So WTF would i trust him to run health care? i don’t

  68. I read what Mrs. Smith says and there are a couple of things that I like that is supposedly in the bill.
    1) I like the fact there will be an oversight group over those companies that will self insure.
    2) I like the way they have written in tort reform into the bill.

    I also think all this talk about end of life plans is nothing more than hospice. I also think that all this talk about the govt. deciding who lives and who dies is a repub. talking point. I don’t believe any Doc that I have ever worked with or for would take a life that had a chance of living. Its America and we just don’t think like that.

  69. confloyd,

    I don’t believe a word BO says. He’s cried ‘wolf’ too many times for me.

    And when he made that comment last month about his granny being so old the hip replacement was not necessary, any small shred of credibility he had with me went down the drain. How the heck did he know his granny would die? I mean, if he’s that callous about his own relative, imagine how his bill would impact everyone else. I simply don’t trust him. like Admin says, “BO can’t be trusted by friend of foe.” And this issue is too close for comfort for me.

  70. Basil, I know I have trouble trusting him too. I also thought it was callous about his grandma’s hip replacement, I know many times a broken hips is not fixed on bed bound patients. I must have xrayed dozens and they weren’t fixed. The reason is the patient is bed bound and would probably not make it thru the surgery. I ran the xray machine during many hip repairs, they are gruesome and if the patients are already in a weakened state, they never recover. They usually get pneumonia and die anyway. I still haven’t made up my mind on those kinds of things. The ones that I have seen not repaired are on those individuals that are vegetables. They really don’t talk, they don’t feed or eat themselves. They are fed by a tube in the stomach. I think those folks just need to be left alone and made as comfortable as possible.
    You would just have to go to the OR and see how they repair them to understand that if your not all there why put the person thru that.

  71. I appreciate your terrific from-the-trenches insight.

    But, in my case, here’s, in a nutshell what happened and why I am so leery of BO’s plan.

    I’d love your perspective.

    2 and half years ago my Dr. said I had liver disease.

    I said OK, why can’t I wait until summer vacation for treatment? He said, how long do you want to live?

    Needless to say, that shocked the sh!t outta me so I checked on my FLMA rights (which I never, in 20 years of teaching, had accessed) and agreed to go on treatment with the caveat that if the meds (which are BRUTAL- causing anemia, neutropenia – the old the-cure-can-be-worse-than-the-disease thing) were too debilitating he would back my need-for-extended leave.

    He agreed.

    I started treatment Dec. 23 2006. Within 2 weeks I could barely walk from 1 side of the house to the other much less go to work.

    So I accessed my Disability insurance policy which was VERY DIFFICULT to get approval for. Once I stopped working, I had no paycheck so I needed the DB desperately.

    After phone fatigue yelling and screaming at administrators all over the country, I was approved so I had enough money coming in to tide me over but not enough to pay the bills.

    So I had to sell my house and move into a summer camp to recover.

    In the meantime, I needed new shipments of meds every 3 months and when I saw the COST I nearly ended it all, then. It was OBSCENELY expensive. I felt guilty as he!! about it. Still, once you start treatment, if there’s any break in you can relapse and so I had to burn up the friggin phone lines every 3 months to make sure the script company replenished the meds.

    This while I was sick as a dog.

    In the meantime, the DB insurance insisted I apply for SS DB, which I hadn’t intended to do, and once I did and was miraculously approved they claimed I owed every cent of the award to them.

    What a friggin scam! Essentially, all the money I had paid out to the DB insurance company over the course of 20 years was recouped by them PLUS some.
    Still, I was grateful to have had enough to tide me over through this almost 2 year crisis and thankful I was recuperating.

    Just when I had proof I’d kicked the first problem, the lymphoma diagnosis came in.

    Now I’m on 6 months of chemo. Again, the bills are horrendously high. Prognosis is good although there is no cure. Again I can’t work full time although I can manage the part time reporting gig I have (hopefully).

    Because I’m still ‘disabled’, my original insurance company insisted I apply for medicare, which I did, and now they’re supposedly my ‘primary’ insurance with the teaching job as ‘secondary.’

    I am worried that I’m somehow going to be charged for the meds and treatment – the other day I got a $20,000 Explanation of Benefits!!!!!!

    Going through this sh!t is enough to make you want to throw in the towel, confloyd, and I fear that a BO plan will make the pressure on those who are ill even worse.

  72. confloyd Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 8:06 am

    confloyd, the Health Care Bill was written by Health Care Lobbyists. The proposed HC Bill is written favoring the health care insurers. Also, there are hidden ‘triggers’ in the bill implementing higher taxes at the publix expense if projected income thresholds to the insurers are not met.

    That bill belongs from whence it came, in the Trash Heap!

  73. Obama’s HC is patterned after Deval Patrick’s MA HC Plan which is currently experiencing funding problems aka ‘failure’. The CBO has NOT approved Obama’s Health Care Plan as a viable one.

    “Critics also decry the House bill as overly meek in its efforts to lower health-care spending over the long term. On Thursday, they gained a key ally in Douglas Elmendorf, director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, who told the Senate Budget Committee that bills crafted by House leaders and the Senate health committee would fail to achieve “the sort of fundamental changes” necessary to rein in the skyrocketing cost of government health programs, particularly Medicare”.

    “To the contrary, Elmendorf said, the measures would pile on an expensive new program to cover the uninsured. “The changes that we have looked at so far do not represent the sort of fundamental change, the order of magnitude that would be necessary, to offset the direct increase in federal health costs that would result from the insurance coverage proposals,” he told the Senate committee.”

    John Kerry is proposing Taxing the Insurers to cover any program shorfalls. We shall see how far that proposal goes before it’s shot down as (excuse of the day) ‘counterproductive’.

  74. I guess what I’m trying (poorly) to say is that if i had such problems before, with EXCELLENT insurance (BCBS) I can only imagine how difficult it will be for those needing care under BO’s plan.

    I literally had to make dozens of of phone calls every time my previous meds were up for refill.

    And I confess i am insurance-challenged. I don’t understand all the fine print.

  75. Okay, I have to rant, here. Screw the Dems and their lousy “reform” bill. And screw the Repubs for their lack of alternatives.

    I keep hearing numbers tossed around of where they can improve “efficiency” and save a few million here, of where they can cut “waste” and save thousands, of how they can ration this or that, or control doctors fees, or eliminate duplicate charges and save another million or so…

    HERE are the numbers that constitute PURE WASTE that not a damn one of them has the courage to even MENTION:

    • UnitedHealth Group — $ 4.654 BILLION. UnitedHealth Group owns Oxford, PacifiCare, IBA, AmeriChoice, Evercare, Ovations, MAMSI and Ingenix, a healthcare data company
    • WellPoint — $ 3.345 BILLION. Wellpoint owns BLUES across the US, including Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Georgia, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Wisconsin, Empire HealthChoice Assurance, Healthy Alliance, and many others
    • Aetna Inc. — $ 1.831 BILLION
    • CIGNA Corp — $ 1.115 BILLION
    • Humana Inc. — $ 834 million
    • Coventry Health Care — $626 million. Coventry owns Altius, Carelink, Group Health Plan, HealthAmerica, OmniCare, WellPath, others
    • Health Net — $ 194 million

    • Ronald A. Williams, Chair/ CEO, Aetna Inc., $23,045,834
    • H. Edward Hanway, Chair/ CEO, Cigna Corp, $30.16 million
    • David B. Snow, Jr, Chair/ CEO, Medco Health, $21.76 million
    • Michael B. MCallister, CEO, Humana Inc, $20.06 million
    • Stephen J. Hemsley, CEO, UnitedHealth Group, $13,164,529
    • Angela F. Braly, President/ CEO, Wellpoint, $9,094,771
    • Dale B. Wolf, CEO, Coventry Health Care, $20.86 million
    • Jay M. Gellert, President/ CEO, Health Net, $16.65 million
    • William C. Van Faasen, Chairman, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts, $3 million plus $16.4 million in retirement benefits
    • Charlie Baker, President/ CEO, Harvard Pilgrim Health Care, $1.5 million
    • James Roosevelt, Jr., CEO, Tufts Associated Health Plans, $1.3 million
    • Cleve L. Killingsworth, President/CEO Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts, $3.6 million
    • Raymond McCaskey, CEO, Health Care Service Corp (Blue Cross Blue Shield), $10.3 million
    • Daniel P. McCartney, CEO, Healthcare Services Group, Inc, $ 1,061,513
    • Daniel Loepp, CEO, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, $1,657,555
    • Todd S. Farha, CEO, WellCare Health Plans, $5,270,825
    • Michael F. Neidorff, CEO, Centene Corp, $8,750,751
    • Daniel Loepp, CEO, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, $1,657,555
    • Todd S. Farha, CEO, WellCare Health Plans, $5,270,825
    • Michael F. Neidorff, CEO, Centene Corp, $8,750,751

    How about THOSE numbers, you congressional COWARDS. Let me hear you talk about them, you smarmy silent sycophants. Explain to me how that amount of money, going not to pay providers for CARE, but to sheer profits, is not a bigger drain on the system than a few docs ordering a $100 blood test that is “unnecessary” .

    You bitch and moan that the fucking doctor who does my surgery and maybe saves my LIFE should take a 10% fee cut, because he’s “overcharging”. But you have no problem with the fact, and indeed will not even WHISPER the fact in any of your “healthcare debate” that the CEO of Cigna makes THIRTY FUCKING MILLION. No, you weasels ignore that fact like it didn’t exist, while you bitch that an MRI costs more than it should.

    So spare me your fucking hypocrisy, Obama and Congress. Just spare me the sanctimonious talk of “cost control” that somehow always means shaving a little off of my pocket, or the docs pockets, or the hospitals operating budgets, or squeezing an extra 1% from employers.

    If you can’t even bring yourself to MENTION in all your “cost-savings” blather those obscene 4 little words “BILLIONS in insurance company PROFITS” then you can just STFU tsk-tsking and moaning over my “gold-plated” health plan, or whether some cardiologist is living high on the hog at 400,000 a year.

  76. Wednesday, July 22, 2009

    Hillary Clinton ‘visit in autumn’

    There is speculation that US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton could visit Northern Ireland in the autumn. Niall O’Dowd, publisher of the US-based Irish Voice newspaper, told RTE radio that Mrs Clinton wanted to introduce herself to the leaders of the political parties. He said Mrs Clinton would also appoint an economic envoy to Northern Ireland.

    Mrs Clinton visited Northern Ireland six times between 1995 and 2000, while Bill Clinton made four official visits.

    There has been no comment from the State Department, however US sources have confirmed that Mrs Clinton is expected to fill the role of special envoy to Northern Ireland herself rather than appointing a diplomat to the post.

    The envoy role has previously been handled by a State Department diplomat, among them high-profile figures George Mitchell and Richard Haass. The last diplomat in the role was Paula Dobriansky. She stepped down when President George W Bush left office and has not been replaced.

    During the US presidential campaign last year Barack Obama reportedly questioned whether a US special envoy to Northern Ireland was still necessary. When Mrs Clinton and Mr Obama were contesting the democratic nomination for President she was accused by some opponents of over over-stating her role in helping the Northern Ireland peace process.

    Speaking in New Hampshire in January 2008 she told how she helped to “change the atmosphere among people” in Northern Ireland and brought together Catholics and Protestants for a meeting in Belfast.

  77. Jul 22, 2009 9:56

    ‘Iran nuke may lead to defense umbrella’

    Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton warned Iran on Wednesday that the United States had a plan on how to safeguard the region should the Islamic republic go nuclear.

    Speaking on a Thai TV talk show, she said “We want Iran to calculate what I think is a fair assessment: that if the United States extends a defense umbrella over the region, if we do even more to develop the military capacity of those [allies] in the Gulf, it is unlikely that Iran will be any stronger or safer.”

    “We will still hold the door open (for talks with Iran) but we also have made it clear that we’ll take actions, as I’ve said time and time again, crippling action, working to upgrade the defense of our partners in the region,” Clinton was quoted by Reuters as saying.

    Clinton was in Thailand to take part in the ASEAN Regional Forum, an annual gathering of 27 Asian, US, and European ministers to discuss North Korea, Myanmar and a range of other regional security issues.

    Last week, in remarks prepared for a major foreign policy address, Clinton said that the time for Iran to respond to the US overture was now. She said that “the opportunity will not remain open indefinitely.” Should Iran not accept the offer of direct diplomatic engagement proposed by President Barack Obama in a limited time, it will be faced with a new round of severe penalties aimed at ending its nuclear ambitions, US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton said.

    On another note, Clinton accused Iran of using “deplorable and unacceptable” actions to put down recent post-election protests. She said that neither she nor President Barack Obama had illusions about the regime but said that direct talks were the best way to get Iranian officials to change their policies.

  78. HillaryforTexas Says:

    July 22nd, 2009 at 10:19 am
    Okay, I have to rant, here. Screw the Dems and their lousy “reform” bill. And screw the Repubs for their lack of alternatives.

    Agreed, excellent research.

    So that’s where the money is getting flushed down to…

    BTW, I **can’t wait** to waste a precious hour of my life listening to Dear Leader tonight, ‘splaining how he’s gonna whip Congress into doing something / anything with healthcare.

    The three big networks are going to waste their time, but I believe they requested that he waste the 8pm time slot, not the more valuable 9pm time slot (forgive me if I’m wrong). Fox told obama to stuff, they have a more important show, Lifestyles of the Pampered Kindergarteners, or something like that.

    Do you ever get the feeling that the dude is so insecure, that he feels he must stick his head out to give another speech, or else the world will ignore him?

  79. The Obama/Dem Health Care Reform really has nothing to do with health care reform, the “reform” is to keep the current Insurance Company based health care system from going broke. The Congress is trying to find $1 trillion over 10 years to try to give some coverage to a max of 65% of the currently un-insured. Over the same 10 year period, the insurance industry sucks $6+ trillion away from health care. The insurance companies aren’t in business to provide for your health care, they are in business to make money and they are doing very well at it. Profits have increased 480% over the past decade. The annual compensation doesn’t reflect some of the CEO’s billion dollar total compensation packages.

    The current legislation being considered is designed to protect the insurance companies with “firewalls” to prevent switching to cheaper alternatives. Federal assistance to the uninsured has now been reduced to 1.5 x the poverty line. the Fed poverty line for an individual is ~$10,400/year gross income. The so called Public option that is contained in the legislation is not what is being presented to the public. To read about Obama’s “bait and switch” on the “Public Option” go here:

    The Dems complain because Obama isn’t engaged…Well Obama doesn’t care about health care, he just want something passed so he can have a signing ceremony and say he reformed health care. It will be more than 3 years before the first un-insured person is supposed to get coverage so it is well past the next election after that Obama doesn’t give a sh*t.

  80. The problem with Obama and unfortunately Hillary’s stance on Iran is that we are conceding that they will get the bomb. Regardless of increasing the shield of US defense, all it takes it one missile with a nuclear warhead to hit Israel and 3/4 ‘s of the country are done….the goal should be to NEVER allow these murderous , stone aged , barbarians to get their hands on a nuke. Yes, a military strike will be difficult and have serious consequences , but none worse than Israel being destroyed ….

  81. The United States is ready to help its allies in the Gulf establish a “defe…

    US President Barack Obama attends a working session of the Group of Eight (…

    Demonstrators march in front of the White House in Washington to protest th…

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Wednesday stirred Israeli fears that Washington would accept a nuclear armed Iran when she raised the idea of a US “defence umbrella” for Gulf allies.

    However, Clinton, during a visit to Thailand for an Asian security conference, said later that she was not announcing a new policy and simply wanted to turn Iran away from pursuing a nuclear weapon.

    Clinton told Thai television in Bangkok that President Barack Obama’s administration was still open to engage Iran in talks about its nuclear programme but warned that Tehran would not be safer if it obtains a bomb.

    “We will still hold the door open” to talks over its nuclear program Clinton said.

    “But we also have made it clear that we will take action, as I’ve said time and time again, crippling action, working to upgrade the defence of our partners in the region,” she said.

    Her previous references to “crippling action” have referred to sanctions.

    “We want Iran to calculate what I think is a fair assessment: that if the US extends a defence umbrella over the region, if we do even more to support the military capacity of those in the Gulf, it is unlikely Iran will be any stronger or safer,” Clinton said.

    “They won’t be able to intimidate and dominate as they apparently believe they can once they have a nuclear weapon.”

    In Jerusalem, Israeli Intelligence Services Minister Dan Meridor criticised her remarks.

    “I heard without enthusiasm the American declarations according to which the United States will defend their allies in the event that Iran uses nuclear weapons, as if they were already resigned to such a possibility,” he said.

    “This is a mistake,” Meridor said. “We cannot act now by assuming that Iran will be able to arm itself with a nuclear weapon, but to prevent such a possibility.”

    Clinton made her initial comments during a recording for a Thai television show before heading to Asia’s largest security forum in the Thai resort island of Phuket, where talks were expected to focus on possible nuclear links between North Korea and Myanmar.

    Speaking at a press conference in Phuket later, Clinton suggested her remarks were misunderstood.

    “I’m not suggesting a new policy. In fact we all believe that Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons is unacceptable, and I’ve said that many times,” she said.

    “I’m simply pointing out that Iran needs to understand that it’s pursuit of nuclear weapons will not advance its security or achieve its goals of enhancing its power regionally and globally,” she said.

    “The focus that Iran must have is that it faces the prospect — if it pursues nuclear weapons — of sparking an arms race in the region,” she said.

    “That should affect a calculation of what Iran intends to do and what it believes is in its national security interest because it may render Iran less secure, not more secure,” she said.

    US lawmakers on Monday stepped up pressure on Obama to ready tough new economic sanctions on Iran in the event Tehran fails to freeze its uranium enrichment programme by late 2009.

    Iran, labouring under UN sanctions for its defiance, has rejected the West’s charges that it seeks nuclear weapons under cover of a civilian atomic energy program.

    Obama has said he wants a diplomatic solution to the standoff but has repeatedly warned that he has not ruled out the use of force.

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  82. The Dems complain because Obama isn’t engaged…Well Obama doesn’t care about health care, he just want something passed so he can have a signing ceremony and say he reformed health care.

    Bingo, SHV. He doesn’t know and doesn’t care what’s in that bill. He ADMITTED in his press conference this week that he hadn’t even read the bill (that he is insisting has to be passed RIGHT NOW), and seemed kind of bored with anything about pesky details – you know, the ones that affect US. Because to him, it doesn’t matter what’s in it, or what is does to the people, so long as he can trumpet that he passed “reform”.

    He wants that photo op of him pen-in-hand in the Oval Office, signing it for the cameras. He could give a shit what the bill actually DOES.

  83. If we are going to allow Iran to obtain a nuke, then Israel should not concede one inch of our (Jews) land.

  84. jbstonesfan Says:

    July 22nd, 2009 at 11:27 am


    I’m really disilusioned about what is happening with Iran. It really looks as if obama is giving Israel’s enemies all the opportunities to destroy Israel. And at the same time he himself is tightening their noose.

  85. One more thing, then I’ll stop ranting. 😀

    I’m not saying that there is not waste and fraud, or areas where costs could be controlled by patients/doctors/hospitals.

    But it just PISSES ME OFF to hear them bitching and nickeling and dime-ing over those “potential savings”, while not even daring to fucking MENTION the hundreds-of-billions insurance elephant in the room, or suggesting that any “cost-savings” could be achieved out of HIS hide.

  86. We are in big trouble JanH…some day I would like to talk to you off line as our views on Israel seem similar and yet, we both adore Hillary, who is tearing me apart at this time. I still just donated $250 dollars to Bill’s foundation this morning as he is doubling it to help his work on HIV/Aids.

  87. jbstonesfan,

    I would like that as well. Sometime in the future maybe you can get my email from Admin and we can go from there.

    I just want Israel to stay strong.

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