Obama’s Sentence

What should Obama’s sentence be? No, silly, we don’t mean how long should his prison term be, we mean his sentence, as in those things that make up a paragraph. This is a sentence.

What should Obama’s sentence be? What is his sentence now? Big Pink favorite (when she is not attacking us) Peggy Noonan explains the sentence story:

The Sentence comes from a story Clare Boothe Luce told about a conversation she had in 1962 in the White House with her old friend John F. Kennedy. She told him, she said, that “a great man is one sentence.” His leadership can be so well summed up in a single sentence that you don’t have to hear his name to know who’s being talked about. “He preserved the union and freed the slaves,” or, “He lifted us out of a great depression and helped to win a World War.” You didn’t have to be told “Lincoln” or “FDR.”

Peggy, the wordsmith, misses a key word from the Clare Boothe Luce story: “great”. Obama is not a great man so don’t expect much of a sentence. But let’s play with Noonan’s conceit – Let’s come up with a sentence for Obama.

Peg has a suggestion for Obama:

New White Houses are always ardent for change, for breakthroughs. They want the sentence even when they don’t know the sentence exists, even when they think it’s a paragraph. The Obama people want, “He was the president who gave all Americans health care,” and, “He lessened income inequality,” and, “He took over a failed company,” and other things. They wants a jumble of sentences and do a jumble of things. But an administration about everything is an administration about nothing.

Mr. Obama is not seeing his sentence. He’s missing it. This is the sentence history has given him: “He brought America back from economic collapse and kept us strong and secure in the age of terror.” That’s all anybody wants. It’s all that’s needed.

Peggy, get out of wherever you are immediately. You are in a Hopium den. The Hopium fumes are burning your brain cells if you think Obama, of the “stimulus” scam will keep America away from economic collapse instead of driving us over the brink. The Hopium fumes are burning your brain cells if you think Obama will keep us strong and secure – and you obviously are unaware that Obama does not even use the word “terror” let alone believe in it.

So Peg, please, understand that Obama is incapable of keeping “us strong and secure in the age of terror” because he does not believe there is terror or terrorists.

“Strong and Secure”? Obama? The “no preconditions” guy? The guy that waits to see which way the wind is blowing to say the Iranian government is being naughty when it kills and beats up on its own citizens? That guy?

Peg, you seriously think that guy will keep anyone but himself “secure”? The guy who gave up his own constituents to Chicago’s freezing cold for campaign contributions – that’s the guy you think will keep America secure? Ask the dolphins Peggy, they’ll tell you Obama’s not the one.

Peggy, take our advice, remember to always think twice.

So what is Obama’s Sentence? What about Obama “can be so well summed up in a single sentence that you don’t have to hear his name to know who’s being talked about”?

Flim-flam man” is too short. “TelePrompter POTUS“, even that gives him too much credit. “Hope and Change” is now a punchline. How about “bitter and clingy“? That last one works but it doesn’t fully sum up the man.

Michelle Obama might be of some help here. Michelle called Obama “stinky” and later perfectly summed up the man she knows so well with chastisement of his “selfishness and careerism“.

“Selfishness and careerism” though are reasons, excuses for what Obama is and does. What Peggy wants and what Clare Booth Luce meant was a sentence that immediately recalls the man in his entirely, his actions especially.

Many will devise an Obama sentence, but for us, the conflation of our catechism seems just about right:

“[Obama -] Simply cannot be trusted by friend nor foe.

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245 thoughts on “Obama’s Sentence

  1. Admin,

    The only “sentence” that ever resonated with me, and not in a positive way is the following:

    “We are the ones we have been waiting for.” It was a vapid moment for humankind, a self-serving nonsensical one.

    He will not have a “sentence” the likes of JFK or MLK.

  2. admin, great video. The only sentence that will likely be given tp o is this, “the man who changed the world….for the worst”.

  3. I can’t think of a sentence, yet.

    CONFLOYD!

    Thanks for the advice. I switched doctors this morning. 😀

  4. Admin: my sentence for Obama is this: A GOD THAT FAILED.

    The fine print would read: he promised promised hope and change. Big media never asked what that meant. If they had they would have known what it meant. From Rezko to GE the pattern is clear and unambigous. Follow the money, betray your constituents, corrupt democracy. His de facto support for the corrupt Iranian regime is but the latest example of this. He stood mute, when he should have taken the matter to the United Nations. By not acting has allowed brutal suppression of an incipient democracy, and stifled the renewal of one of the eight great civilizations of the world. To use a common Arab idiom, Barack Hussein Obama is “the dog that didnt bark”.

    Consider the alternative: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE576p_AbqY

  5. Rahm Emanuel says Obama’s job much tougher than Clinton’s

    By Dave Cook | 06.25.09

    The domestic and international issues Barack Obama faces outweigh those that confronted Bill Clinton “by a quotient of ten,” says Obama Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel.

    Emanuel was a senior advisor in the Clinton White House from 1993-1999 and now is arguably the second most powerful person in the Obama administration. He was the guest at Monitor-sponsored breakfast for reporters on Thursday.

    When, fairly early in the hour-long session, John Dickerson of Slate and CBS News asked Emanuel to compare how the two presidents dealt with domestic and international issues, he quipped “can we go to that last?”

    Difficulties in comparing presidents

    Emanuel then launched into an extensive description of the array of issues each president confronted. “The world that they’re dealing with is fundamentally different,” he said. “I think they are incredibly talented individuals, OK? They have different styles, they’re at a different time, they’re also at different ages in their — I mean their own biography, they’re at different ages.”

    But from Emanuel’s ringside seat, the issues on Obama’s plate — Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, the faltering economy — are orders of magnitude tougher than what President Clinton faced in Bosnia, Rwanda, and Somalia.

    “While every president has a domestic issue and an international issue, etc., I mean, President Obama has what President Clinton had, but, I don’t want to say, it’s not appropriate to say on steroids, but by a quotient of ten,” Emanuel said.

    Clinton the creative

    He was careful to stress his admiration for former President Clinton. “I loved, as you know, working for President Clinton, who had an unbelievably creative mind. And I think was, for a host of reasons, was a very significant president. I was honored to work for him.” Emanuel served as political director in the Clinton White House.

    In contrast to the “creative” description of Clinton, Emanuel said his current boss had “one of the most disciplined minds and styles I’ve ever seen….I exercise every day. I’ve been doing it for umpteen years. I read a book, one every three weeks. I think I’m personally pretty disciplined. This guy is incredibly disciplined. And not only structured, but his mind is unbelievably disciplined.”

    Obama’s late night prep

    When asked for an example, Emanuel noted that Obama, “goes into a meeting and he’ll have read the brief the night before, and have the crux of his argument written down that he wants to drive that discussion to basic points. And he goes right to either the assumptions, the presumptions of the case.”

    The Chief of Staff’s relations with the press were the subject of a story in the Washington Post earlier this week called “Rahmbo and the Reporters.” It described what the Post’s press critic, Howard Kurtz, called Emanuel’s aggressive and relentless working of media contacts, often in a brusquely efficient manner.

    But the Emanuel who showed up Thursday morning was full of cheer and charm. At one point he began an answer by saying, “If I can get one thing across to this esteemed group of Washington journalists. (pause) I hope you appreciated that….usually the word ‘esteemed’ and Washington journalist don’t go together.” And then he resumed his answer on the chances of getting health reform passed in a bipartisan manner.

    features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/06/25/rahm-emanuel-says-obama%E2%80%99s-job-much-tougher-than-clinton%E2%80%99s/

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    Emanuel is a simpleton!

  6. Emanuel is a simpleton!
    —————————
    Emanuel is one of the two most corrupt people in Washington. Axlerod is the other. They are eager to betray the country for the sake of power. Whatever either of them might say on any given topic must always be viewed in that light.

  7. admin:

    When you reverse the first letters in the words “Hope and Change”, the words sum-up the Obama presidency perfectly.

    Cope and Hange”

  8. Obama is the Third Bush Term. The Democratic president he most resembles is Carter, and not in a good way.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/26/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5116655.shtml?tag=stack

    The White House hasn’t yet decided whether Presiden Obama should issue a statement on the death of Michael Jackson.

    He was a world-renowned superstar, but there are parts of his life that hardly merit words of tribute from an American President.

    In 2005, Jackson was put on trial on charges he molested a 13-year old boy. He was acquitted.

    But there were other allegations of improper conduct and strange behavior by the so-called King of Pop.

    In 1977, then-President Jimmy Carter faced a similar dilemma after the death of Elvis Presley. The White House switchboard was reported to have been inundated with phone calls urging Mr. Carter to declare a national day of mourning for Presley.

    The president eventually issued a carefully-written statement, declaring that Presley was ‘unique and irreplaceable’ and his music ‘permanently changed the face of American popular culture.’

    Mr. Obama may take a page from Jimmy Carter’s playbook in responding to Michael Jackson’s death.

  9. One other point: I do not dispute the fact that the challenges facing the country today are more difficult than they were twenty years ago. But is that really the issue? Or is the issue the supposed solutions which are destined to curtail individual liberty, bleed our coffers dry and promote policies which are thinly veiled excuses to reward his cronies. In those respects I do agree Mr Obama has a very focused mind.

  10. “Emanuel said his current boss had “one of the most disciplined minds and styles I’ve ever seen…”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Obama is so disciplined, he sneaks smoking cigarettes when his children aren’t looking.. heh!

  11. I read the entire Noonan article Admin referenced and the first paragraph seems spot-on.

    Something seems off with our young president. He appears jarred. Difficult history has come over the transom. He seemed defensive and peevish with the press in his Tuesday news conference, and later with Charlie Gibson on health care, when he got nailed by a neurologist who suggested the elites who support a national program seem not to mind rationing for other people but very much mind if for themselves.

    After that she picks up the hopium pipe again. :shrug:

  12. Krugman is very negative this week on Obama and healthcare. Almost all the comments are negative or angry also, but there are still the few, the misguided, the morons, the mainliners of extra-strength koolaid who still are clinging to the “11th dimensional chess featuring a SURPRISE ending!” theory.

    Or, is there a subtler dynamic to the President’s policy speeches and directives that indicates a wholly different sort of plan taking shape in the President’s head?
    Namely, it could be that the President is playing to the powerful lobbies in finance and health care, seeming to ‘appreciate’ the needs of the proverbial status quo, while in reality he is providing them with that one more inch of rope with which they can eventually hang themselves. Could it be that he is biding his time, spending his first year in office allowing the flawed and paranoid logic of the lobbyists, their powerful clients and the Republican opposition to fully surface as the self-serving nonsense that it is, after which he will assert his authority and move in for the kill, personally driving the change that is truly necessary?

    ROTFLMAO! God, it would be hilarious if it weren’t so sad. Let me paraphrase the Obot:

    “But..but…Obama has a secret plan! He is being genius sneaky, and will burst from the shadows at the last minute, ripping off his shirt to reveal the Superman logo! He..um…has a Sword of Truth! That glows! Given to him by Gandalf! And he has…um….dragons! Who will swoop in and fry the orcs…I mean, Republicans! When all seems lost, the hero will emerge, because….he just WILL, because dat’s the way it happens, see! He is secretly the long lost heir of the Kingdom of Elves, and will free Middle earth!! Now where did I leave my Cheetos, dammit….”

  13. basil, interestingly, that quote about the neurologist, the one they are calling obama’s “Dukakis” moment, leaves out the most important part, in my view. I heard it live, and actually obama did not say that rationing was for all but the elite, he was actually implying that we all need to make sacrifices, that the granny that he threw under the bus was going to die from cancer anyway, so maybe we shouldn’t have given her a hip replacement after all. Scary stuff.

  14. THe news is Michael Jackson all day, its OK, but we need to watch what is being passed or not passed in the house today as well as what Angela Merkil and the O is talking about.

  15. The top management consultant firm in the world, McKensie, has published a short dissertation by an adjunct professor of law named Wong, who tells us that government ownership of private companies will work this time around. They invited me (and others) to respond to this pseudo intellectual lover Bambi, and so I did, in the cryptic and understated manner customary with that pretigious journal:
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    Far be it from me to question the wisdom of an adjunct professor of law on a subject which is fundamentally about economics, but I do think the words of Lord Highcross are on point:

    Lord Ralph Harris of Highcross (1924 – 2006)

    “The assumption that every market ‘imperfection’ can be remedied by political intervention depends on the elementary non sequitur of perfect government.”

  16. lilliam,

    I heard it, too. And at one point he said something like “just tell them to take their pain meds” or something.

    He also questioned whether his grandmother should have been given hip replacement surgery.

    So where the heck does he draw the line? What’s terrifying to me is that he evidently thinks he is entitled to pass judgment on everything, including deciding who should and shouldn’t die.

  17. “Obama’s late night prep

    When asked for an example, Emanuel noted that Obama, “goes into a meeting and he’ll have read the brief the night before, and have the crux of his argument written down that he wants to drive that discussion to basic points. And he goes right to either the assumptions, the presumptions of the case.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The problem with Obama’s routine is he never gets to the details. His work ethic falls far short of time invested into converting talking points to action plans. He doesn’t know or care if his talking points are valid or flawed. His only prerequisite for a press conference is have material to sell as HOT AIR for public consumption.

  18. OT………An e-mail from Joe Sestak:

    “Pennsylvania’s respected Franklin & Marshall College, the leading polling organization in the state, released its latest poll that finds a strong majority – 57% – of Pennsylvanians now believe Arlen Specter does not deserve to be re-elected to the U.S. Senate; that “it’s time for a change”!
    And, that only 28% of Pennsylvanians believe that Arlen deserves to be re-elected. (That’s down from 40% since the last poll and falling … a downward trend that Franklin & Marshall found “startling”.)

  19. basil, I didn’t like it one bit, he has no compassion, since he is a narcissistic sociopath, therefore he should have no such judgment. I am also sad to see all the push for “efficiencies” in the health care system while ignoring the most significant efficiency, which would be elimination of the huge profit center and administrative redundancy of insurers. I thing healthcare should be between a patient and his/her physician and providers, using the best research availabe, and safeguards against fraud and abuse. Much fraud and abuse is merely a technique to maximize profits within this archaic system- if the system would be regarded as inherently fair and equitable, much of it would diminish, but it appears that a new cottage industry is now appearing to address these “inefficiencies”. The problem is, the cottage industry is in itself inefficient, as it does not provide patient care.

  20. What I don’t, and have never, understood, is why sane people thought Obama would fight for anything.

    I can remember saying ad nauseum “Show me ANYTHING in his public career that he had ever actually fought for, ever gone to the mat for.” What I got back was, “Don’t tell me words don’t matter!”

    Um, no, they don’t. Not alone. It is bittersweet to hear his supporters expressing dismay now over the gap between words and action, after 2 years of insisting that the words were all that mattered.

    Let them eat words. It’s what they valued, after all.

  21. SHV,

    Well, that’s good news.

    OT,

    I swear I cannot wait for the day when I will not have to hear, see or read anything about BO and I hope that day comes sooner rather than later!

  22. Or, is there a subtler dynamic to the President’s policy speeches and directives that indicates a wholly different sort of plan taking shape in the President’s head?
    Namely, it could be that the President is playing to the powerful lobbies in finance and health care, seeming to ‘appreciate’ the needs of the proverbial status quo, while in reality he is providing them with that one more inch of rope with which they can eventually hang themselves. Could it be that he is biding his time, spending his first year in office allowing the flawed and paranoid logic of the lobbyists, their powerful clients and the Republican opposition to fully surface as the self-serving nonsense that it is, after which he will assert his authority and move in for the kill, personally driving the change that is truly necessary?
    _________________________________________________

    When Paul says delusional stuff like this, I have to wonder about his judgment. Its like saying the reason Obama supported Rezkos takeover of the Chicago Board of Housing was because his real plan was to prevail upon the powers that be to install new heaters, stoves and warm water during the next winter–which never happened. Just for the hell of it, lets try the rational, logical and probable explanation: the reason he supported Rezko is because he wanted the money, for his campaign and his new house. And the reason he supports lobbyists on health care is no different. Jesus Paul–wake up.

  23. My sentence? Well, Bush’s was “The Emperor has no clothes”

    Obama’s is “The clothes have no Emperor.”

  24. OT………An e-mail from Joe Sestak:

    “Pennsylvania’s respected Franklin & Marshall College, the leading polling organization in the state, released its latest poll that finds a strong majority – 57% – of Pennsylvanians now believe Arlen Specter does not deserve to be re-elected to the U.S. Senate; that “it’s time for a change”!
    And, that only 28% of Pennsylvanians believe that Arlen deserves to be re-elected. (That’s down from 40% since the last poll and falling … a downward trend that Franklin & Marshall found “startling”.)
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    wow. The cuban banker is right.

  25. H4T,

    ‘What I don’t, and have never, understood, is why sane people thought Obama would fight for anything.’

    Agreed.

    Somehow, this Churchhill (?) quote i just read at another blog seems relevant.

    “A lie gets half way around the world before truth has a chance to get its pants on.”

  26. Boy, the blog is really active this morning. Glad to see some old friends back. I know most of you have been reading, even if you have not been posting.

  27. OMG!

    Off topic;

    I just read that Conyer’s wife has pleaded guilty to bribery charges and faces 5 years in prison!

    ‘Detroit City Council President Pro Tem Monica Conyers pleaded guilty this morning to conspiring to commit bribery and is free on personal bond.’

  28. wbboei, that was not Paul – it was a commenter on his blog. Paul’s piece was good.
    ———————-
    HillaryforTexas: mea culpa and be still my heart. Thank god Paul has not gone off the deep end. The fact that I did for a moment or so is no particular matter of concern. Paul has got to keep calling obama on the issues. We need the legitimate left on our side in this fight. In some respects his corporate centric philosophy and mercenary practices violate their core beliefs, and they should be at his throat for undermining most everything they believe in.

  29. I just read that Conyer’s wife has pleaded guilty to bribery charges and faces 5 years in prison!
    ————–
    Can John go with her? It has been said that two can live cheaper than one. And I for one would not miss him.

  30. hehehehe. Conyers wants to move forward on Reparation Legislation.
    Hopefully his family problems will keep that off the table.

    BTW,

    What do you mean about the Cuban being right? About what?

    Jan
    You gotta come up with a sentence now! Arugula, race card, green?

  31. Basil9-

    I read your post concerning the obnoxious doctor’s remark calling you a nasty name. No doubt the owners of the Treatment facility you go to for your therapy aren’t aware of what is going on with this doctor in their employ.

    I would write a letter of complaint to the corp investors who own or rent that facility and let them know the doctor they are paying to administer treatment at their facility is not only categorically unprofessional, but thinks nothing of harassing Cancer patients with crude and ugly remarks that are taking a toll on your recovery.

    I guarantee within a week she will be terminated and replaced. Investor fear of an eventual lawsuit coming from you will Trump any response this doctor may have to your letter…

    You don’t need to think about driving an hour for treatment anywhere. Not when a treatment facility is so close to you and is available 15 min away from your home..

  32. They are voting on Climate change this afternoon/cap and trade. We will see if Obama clout in weening.

  33. Mrs. Smith,
    Thanks so much for the advice.
    I spoke to the Administrative Director this morning and I’ve decided to switch doctors.
    The new guy on staff is from Sloane Kettering and I think we’ll get along fine.
    I welcomed him to the staff a couple of weeks ago and quipped he should be glad he didn’t have me as a patient. His response was he could handle patients like me. (coz I ask so many questions and do so much research)
    But I don’t want this incident to get overblown. I do have respect for the first Dr. and I think it was just a personality conflict. I’m glad there’s another Dr. who can take over my case and I’m willing to drop the issue now. She was the only one on staff for several months and has a huge case load. It’s hard to get doctors in my area.

  34. Basil, its probably the best thing that you changed Doctors, but you need to file a complaint any way.
    It is amazing that one person in a facility can corrupt the whole facility. She must be getting support for her behavior from the nurses or she would have quit long ago. The nurses I work with have no problem at all reporting Doctors, they do it all the time, its their fault to.
    The nurses have a responsibility to report the things they see.

  35. confloyd,
    I hate to take the amtter any further as the problem has been resolved. I believe that she’s excellent, medically, and I confess I wasn’t exactly happy to hear my diagnosis and was reluctant to start TX. She was very flexible and conscientious about ordering the appropriate tests. I think she just had a bad day, that she’s important to many other patients, that coz it’s so difficult to get doctors on board here her being fired would just create another staffing gap . Besides, I have a feeling that my ‘going over her head,’ which i was loathe to do as i prefer taking care of my problems personally, will send her the message loud and clear.
    If I thought she was incompetent, I would follow-up. She’s not and is needed in the area.

  36. Basil-

    as much as you don’t want to, you should do something about that doctor. If she thought nothing of demeaning you for simple questions. Just think of the effect she has on patients who have been programmed by her to say nothing, but quietly submit to her brand of therapy because she is in command.

    You may have dealt with the situation adequately by finding another doctor. Another patient may not be so lucky or so sick they feel they just can’t take on another fight.. By contacting the investors, you are one step above the Administrative Director and I doubt very much if she will undertake the responsibility of revealing their source.

  37. Basil, Mrs Smith is right, think about the next patient she will do this to! There is no room for uncompassionate Drs. in the medical field. Is she an American Dr. or is she from another country?

  38. Take care, Basil.

    This is a very tough time for you. The pressures must be immense. I hope this move to another doctor will be a good one for you. And perhaps the admin director will follow through himself.

    I agree though that others may encounter the problem in the future, but you must do what is best for you.

  39. Confloyd,
    She’s an American.
    I understand what you and Mrs. Smith are saying but my question is which is worse? Having NO doctors or having one who’s got some bedside-management issues but otherwise provides excellent medical care?
    I’m not exaggerating when I say there are few doctors in the area.
    I told the Administrative Director what happened but I also asked that he not speak to the doctor.
    The doctor in question, the nurses and the entire staff will all be aware of what happened through the grapevine. It will be apparent that administration knows because they’re the ones who authorized the doctor change. From my POV, I am insulting her by not first addressing the issue directly with her and giving her the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to apologize. Because my health is at stake, I have chosen not to do even that, which goes contrary to the way I deal with people. But THANKS and HUGS for the great feedback! It helped me make the decision to change doctors.

  40. Now i REALLY feel sick!

    The House, led by JJJ, just held a moment of silence for MJ’s death!
    Can you BELIEVE that!!!!!??????
    What about Neda?
    What about Farah?
    What about Ed McMan?

    This is bizarro world!

  41. Basil- worry not!

    At least now you are armed with a game plan if this doctor repeats herself in the future. Better than that stinky old president we’re stuck with, who doesn’t know Sh*t from Shinola about Domestic or Foreign policy.

    I need to add Best wishes for your subsequent treatment, Basil, hoping it will destroy the critter utterly and completely!

  42. Obama Caught by Surprise on Iran
    =========================

    By Jim Hoagland
    June 21, 2009
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    rgb: thank you for posting the article. I agree with your comments. The Iranian revolution caught bambi with his pants down. If it is okay with you, I would like to use this as a point of departure for further comment not about the subject matter but the man writing about it. What put me on this line of inquiry was a vagues sense that Holand is another man with a tingle down his leg.

    If you look at this writers cv you get a sense of who he is. He was born in South Carolina in 1940 so he probably feels a sense of guilt on race related matters. It comes through in the several articles he writers, and it is obvious that as much as he loves bambi he hates bush.

    Frankly, I do not find much value or insight in what people like him have to say, because it is never the complete picture. They tend to be dittoheads for the Potomic narrative. Often what they omit is more important than what they report. but always one slanted to his opionion, ommitting relevant facts.

    I do not think he is a bad man like Matthews, or an deranged one like Olberman, but I think he is not a purveyour of the objective truth. In that sense he is part of the problem and not the solution. A true journalist is cut from a different stripe. He or she discounts their own prefernces and they follow the truth wherever it leads. Whatever virues he may possess, whatever Pulitzer prizes he may have won, it is clear that Mr Hogland does not rise to that standard.

  43. House passes Global Warming Bill

    “The vote was 217-205 to advance the White House-backed legislation to the floor, and 30 Democrats defected, a reflection of the controversy the bill sparked.”

    We are up the creek without a paddle! This is insanity! Farmers are going to be taxed for each cow they own! People are going to be taxed for breathing! The wind energy push is nonsense!

  44. Abbas refuses to negotiate with Israel

    June 26, 9:26 AM · Richard Shulman – NY Israel Conflict Examiner

    President Obama asked both the Palestinian Authority and Israel to negotiate with each other. Netanyahu agreed unconditionally. Abbas refused unless Israel first agrees to P.A. statehood and to stop building in Judea-Samaria. israelnationalnews.com/ — Arutz-7, 6/8).

    If Israel agrees in advance, there isn’t much left to negotiate.

    By favoring the Arab side and pressing Israel to acquiesce to it, President Obama is encouraging the Arabs not to negotiate. Instead, they now expect the U.S. more or less to make Israel give in to them. They become even less interested in peace.

    Draw your own conclusion about who wants peace and who deals honestly.

    examiner.com/x-7095-NY-Israel-Conflict-Examiner~y2009m6d26-Abbas-refuses-to-negotiate-with-Israel

    ———————–

    And yet just today Hamas stated that Israel’s demand for recognition was “racist?” So why the H*ll should Israel reciprocate?

  45. The House, led by JJJ, just held a moment of silence for MJ’s death!
    ———————————————-
    Which proves they are a superficial body. The lifestyle here left much to be desired. NEDA is the one they should be honoring–IF they believe in democacy.

  46. Reposted rom previous thread

    DEER IN HEADLIGHTS

    Another real good one from realclearpolitics.com

    Obama Caught by Surprise on Iran
    =========================

    By Jim Hoagland
    June 21, 2009

    WASHINGTON — The most serious challenge that Iran’s Islamic rulers have faced in their 30 years in power caught President Obama and many European leaders by surprise. Their intelligence agencies did little to prepare them for a national catharsis that now pits a combustible mixture of youthful, idealistic protesters and older political opportunists against Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

    By threatening and then delivering repression blessed by his religious authority, Khamenei has turned an election dispute into a crisis of legitimacy for a regime that claims to be divinely inspired. Obama’s decision to stay out of the limelight in responding to the protests is paying off in the sense of keeping the focus on those who cheat and maim Iranians.

    But the president and his advisers still have not adjusted policies and tactics being overtaken by events. This is clear both from the initial “caught in the headlights” reaction by Obama as he temporized — albeit with steely skill — and from accounts of diplomatic and other official sources here.

    The administration’s own words suggest that Obama is trapped in a political version of the theory of relativity — that he moves along a predetermined course that prevents him from seeing the new situation exactly as it occurs. He clings to pre-election ideas and assumptions, acting above all to keep alive the chances for a nuclear deal with any government that sits in Tehran.

    Focusing now on obtaining the highly improbable nuclear accord neglects the moral and historical dimensions of mass protest in authoritarian societies that are now vulnerable to new communications technology. Such moments release a moral energy in once-submissive populations that rulers must crush, accommodate or yield to. Whatever their ultimate choice — crushing is clearly the initial one — the ayatollahs will never be the same.

    This is not to underestimate the difficulties Obama faces, as do John McCain and other critics who accuse the president of passively accepting what Iranian dissidents rightly call President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s “coup.”

    But Obama should not have blurted out the (accurate) observation that challenger Mir Hossein Mousavi would probably not change Ahmadinejad’s foreign and nuclear policies. This is the kind of assessment that intelligence chiefs whisper to their bosses to explain that their missed call doesn’t really matter much.

    Yes, Mousavi is a man of the Islamic establishment who has brutally put down dissent himself and something of an opportunist. But if he, and his clerical allies, were unexpectedly to overcome both Ahmadinejad’s coup and Khamenei’s crackdown, those who have been in the streets would hold the new government to different, higher standards of governance and engagement with the world. Mousavi might well disappoint them. But he would then have to deal with this newly politicized population.

    Judged by what they have — and have not — said publicly, administration policymakers seem to underestimate the sense of empowerment that the demonstrations inevitably create for the protesters, especially among the young.

    The experience of witnessing three very different citizens’ uprisings in the 1980s leads me to that expectation. I saw the “people power” movement sweep aside the Marcos regime in Manila, and Solidarity emerge from nothing to whittle away Polish communist rule and the Soviet empire. The euphoria of empowerment can also quickly turn to horror, as it did in Beijing’s Tiananmen Square in 1989.

    But what remains — even from Tiananmen — are the scenes of heroism, and the acknowledgement of a population’s common humanity that rises from revolts for more dignity and freedom. To see a Chinese worker throw his bicycle — a necessary and relatively expensive possession in that day — beneath a military truck to block troops from attacking students is unforgettable. So is witnessing a parade by diplomats from the Chinese Foreign Ministry supporting the demonstrations.

    And if I have not forgotten it, neither have the Chinese people. They were changed by these events, even if their cause was suppressed by their communist rulers — and then dishonored by the acquiescence of the first Bush administration in Deng Xiaoping’s actions.

    Morality as a factor in foreign policy has taken a beating recently, due in part to George W. Bush’s sanctimonious exploitation of it. But ignoring its place altogether is also a mistake. Yes, it is not the American president’s prerogative to meddle in Iran’s protests. But neither should he prejudge or minimize the sacrifices that Iranian protesters choose to make in hopes of a better life.

  47. The argument is that having to recognizing a “Jewish” state is a new obligation!!! Well, lets see, Israel is to recognize a Palestinian state but they won’t recognize Israel as a Jewish state predominantly Jewish…odd?

  48. Sorry for so many posts but it’s pouring here . . .

    About MJ, there’s a link to some of his possessions that were to be auctioned off in April. Included are a crown and scepter, a throne, paintings of him being knighted, etc.
    Meanwhile, he was $500 million in debt. Wall to wall BM coverage of this has caused a virtual blackout of the cap and trade obscenity.

    www dot independent dot co.uk/news/world/americas/michael-jackson-the-fantastic-possessions-revealed-1668969.html?action=Popup&ino=11

  49. “Caught by surprise?”

    ————————

    How many excuses does this make now. Sheesh I think I could get rich writing a joke book on all the excuses this stupido and his dog trainers have handed out in the last 2 years!

  50. Abbas refuses to negotiate with Israel
    ————————————-
    Abbas is holding Bambi hostage. Bambi stepped into the bite of a line on this one. He never should have accepted that precondition on negotiations
    .
    (Note: that is a nautical expression from the days of sailing ships: never step in the bite of a line, i.e. loose rope. Why? Because if someone puts a strain on that line, like when they lauch crab pots from the deck of a crab vessel in the Bering Sea, the over the side goes the crab pot, and a nano second later you along with it. Nice way to swim with the fishes–poltically speaking. A roadmap to failure.)

  51. wbboei,

    I was joking about Farah and Ed.
    But not about Neda.

    This post says it all.
    ‘So we can’t speak of God or our Judeo-Christian founding in government settings but we can take time out the day while the biggest tax increase this country has ever seen is about to pass to remember a fill-in-the-blank?’
    Our country deserves every bit of misery coming our way.

  52. I feel bad for Jacko’s kids. I liked him when he was young, but he really “jumped the shark” after Thriller. RIP.

  53. Well, lets see, Israel is to recognize a Palestinian state but they won’t recognize Israel as a Jewish state predominantly Jewish…odd?
    ************
    It’s not odd at all. It’s tied into UN Resolution 194..”Right of return”…

  54. I might be wrong, but didn’t that resolution talk about refugees wishing to return as long as they were willing to live in peace with their neighbors?

  55. And not to be contentious here or split hairs, but doesn’t the “right of return” apply both ways? If the Palestinians et al are not willing to recognize right of return for Israelis, then why should the Israelis recognize right of return for them?

  56. I might be wrong, but didn’t that resolution talk about refugees wishing to return as long as they were willing to live in peace with their neighbors?
    **************
    UN 194, Article 11:

    “Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.”

    David Ben-Gurion pointed out that: “Israel could not count on the dedication of any Arab refugees to remain “at peace with their neighbors” – a consequence, he contended, of the Arab states’ unwillingness to remain at peace with the state of Israel – resettlement was not an obligation for his country.” That hasn’t changed. Also since Ben-Gurion’s, time when the issue was 100,000 or so “refugees”, they are now saying right of return now applies to >4 million.

  57. The Palestinians roamed many lands in the middle east other than Israel and were incarcerated in squalid camps because of it. And yet none of those Arab lands recognize their “right to return” unless it is to Israel.

    This is such a joke.

  58. Maybe some of you can answer this question for me. I am watching C-span and am wondering how the dem and rep. can be so far apart on their numbers at the cost of this cap and trade agreement. HOW?

  59. SHV,

    I have read the resolution many times. I am not disputing the wording. I am simply disputing the inconsistent and twisted use of it by the Arabs.

    I value your opinion. I know the resolution stands.

  60. Theres one thing for sure, you can’t figure out what the bill will really do to the rural citizen by listening to these two sides screaming at each other. Its seems all show and B.S.

  61. confloyd,
    I’ve heard it will destroy farmers and agriculture by taxing livestock for CO2 produced.

    I can’t post exactly how it works (as it’s quite complicated) but the bottom line is it will penalize agriculture, jack up prices for food which will be passed on to the consumers.

    I just heard that the House is still lacking 12 votes. I thought it had passed? What are you hearing, confloyd?

  62. Basil, I am watching Cspan, the are still in their 3 hr debate before the vote. I hasn’t come up for vote yet.
    They are all arguing about how much it will raise the elec. bills. They say nothing about gas prices, which will hurt rural america.
    Rep. saying it will lose jobs. Dems saying it will bring green energy jobs. How do we figure out whose lying???

  63. I value your opinion. I know the resolution stands.
    **********
    Somehow, I think we are speaking past each other. My original point, which I made poorly, was that the Arabs will never recognize Israel as a Jewish state. I think that a long term strategy was to keep the the “refugees” in camps and insist on right of return. Today, if right of return was to happen as the Arabs see it, Israel would be an majority Arab State. This will never happen but the possibility is held out to the Arab population in the region. If any Arab government recognized Israel as a “Jewish” state, then this fantasy would be dashed. No Israeli government will accept a declaration of the Israeli “State” to exist and no Arab State will recognize the “Jewish” State.

  64. The UN resolution, like most, is not worth the paper it is written on. Not only is Israel our (Jews) land from biblical times, it is also our land by virtue of the fact that we lived well within the 67 borders but were continuously attacked by Arab neighbors before the red herring of a Palestinian issue came up. To the victor go the spoils..Israel cannot and will not allow Jews to become a minority in their homeleand. The Palestinians, much like the AA’s, are used by their leaders, to promote their own power/agendas.

  65. Basil, the democrats won a test vote on the bill, but not the real vote. They are doing a 3 hr debate on the bill. The republicans are still claiming that there is no global warming, those that do believe it they believe global warming is not done by man.
    I think the vote comes up at 2:45 central time.

  66. Senate Confirms Yale Law Dean as State Department Legal Adviser

    David Ingram
    06-26-2009

    The Senate on Thursday confirmed Harold Koh to be legal adviser to the State Department.

    Koh, the outgoing dean of Yale Law School, will head up the department’s legal staff, advising Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on a wide variety of issues. He returns to the department after having served as an assistant secretary of state during the Clinton administration.

    Senators voted 62-35, largely along party lines, to confirm him. On Wednesday, Koh overcame procedural roadblocks thrown up by Republicans who questioned his commitment to U.S. sovereignty.

    law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202431783804&pos=ataglance

  67. Its seems to me after listening to these debates the republicans are for oil industry and the democrats are trying to get us off oil. This is what it looks like to me.

  68. Does anyone recall when during the primaries obama said something about no longer being able to keep our homes at 68 degrees?

  69. confloyd,

    I can’t get c-span on the pc or on TV so I’ve been listening and it is disgusting the way the desm are trying to ram this down our throats.

    I’ve heard some comments that the ‘global warming’ theory is the biggest scientific scam of all time.

    I believe it.
    Wish I could see the images. Thanks for clarification about the test vote.

  70. henry, I do. This means we will be charged more for electric, gas and food, but according to one representative said we already did it the republican way and we got the largest tranfer of wealth to Saudi in history. I think we need off oil and its going to hurt for a while.

  71. confloyd,

    I think the dems are just trying to open up new opportunities for industries they will control, especially if they’re successfkl in pushing this through.

    The wind turbine and green/alternative energies people will benefit. And as someone who has covered a dozen alternative energy town board meetings in the past 6 months, I can tell you it’s a crock of sh!t. It’s just a way to channel funds to a different set of people, those under Bo’s thumb, It’s similar to what ACORN does with voters. Problem for the rest of us is that it’s reinventing the wheel from scratch and we’re the ones who are going to pay.i

  72. basil, Thats what I am scared of, you freaking cant trust either side, they are all in it for their side and to hell with us!
    Its hard to figure out by watching this theatatrics who is right.

  73. OMG, the 300 pages that was added last night was attached to another bill that past this morning and it no where to be found in congress. Thats if I am understanding the standoff going on right now.

  74. I wonder for all the jobs it creates how many will be destroyed. How many restaurants will have to close because they can’t afford to keep a place cool in the summer without charging 15 for a burger?

  75. Its seems to me after listening to these debates the republicans are for oil industry and the democrats are trying to get us off oil. This is what it looks like to me.
    ———————–
    Yeah. The Republicans want oil energy and global warming. And the Dimocrats want what GE wants which is nuclear power and three mile island. Oh yes, and the Bambi also want the iranian fanatics who GE supports to have the bomb. A pathetic state of affairs.

    Confloyd: you must not overlook the possibility that neither of them are right. I would bet on that one myself.

  76. confloyd,
    The eager young libs who attend the town hall meetings to present their case for ‘sustainable energy’ such as ‘woody biomass’ and wind turbines are positively salivating at the idea of how much money is going to become available to them.
    Since i cover the County Legislature, I know that a lot of the IDA funds have been channeled to those companies.
    Problem is you can’t just cut off one energy source and implement another that isn’t even developed yet.
    And the wind turbine alternative is unrealistic. It requires too much land, it’s ugly as he11 and depite claims to the contrary, the noise drives people nuts. But those who stand to rake in the cash don’t give a sh!t. They just want to line their pockets. IMHO, at least oil, coal, gas and nuclear energy have been proven to work. As far as solar energy, i’ve had to read enough about that and it’s usefulness in the northeast to know it’s not an option.

  77. wbboei, I think your right neither is right.
    Basil, of coarse the people who stand to make the most money don’t give a shit, thats exactly how this country has been running for years!

    Its time for a revolution here and throw all of them out!

  78. It’s called extremism. With obama it’s all or nothing. There is no middle road here and cost to the taxpayer and mother earth doesn’t matter.

  79. These people promoting green energy are no better than the people who have filled their pockets with oil money. I have said this for a long time. Crooks, Crooks and more Crooks!

  80. “Does anyone recall when during the primaries obama said something about no longer being able to keep our homes at 68 degrees?”

    Sorry, I couldn’t resist- just wait until Michelle Antoinette reaches menopause (spoken by a peri-menopausal woman).

  81. The clerks that are typing and putting these bills together really have a horrible job. I can imagine they are getting chewed out now for not having the bill together yet.

  82. Somehow, I think we are speaking past each other. My original point, which I made poorly, was that the Arabs will never recognize Israel as a Jewish state. I think that a long term strategy was to keep the the “refugees” in camps and insist on right of return. Today, if right of return was to happen as the Arabs see it, Israel would be an majority Arab State. This will never happen but the possibility is held out to the Arab population in the region. If any Arab government recognized Israel as a “Jewish” state, then this fantasy would be dashed. No Israeli government will accept a declaration of the Israeli “State” to exist and no Arab State will recognize the “Jewish” State.
    ——————————————-
    I guess that is where Bambi comes in. He will simply tell then they must recognize Israel, and the waters of the red sea will part. They will blood red if he is not careful. Look at what happened in Iran. In his own mind he started the revolution, and then sided with the oppressors by refusing to speak out or to act when it counted. It is important to be . . . flexible because the power calucus is always in flux.

    Bambi made his mind up when he was three
    He himself was going to light the Christmas tree
    Christmas eve he lit the candle tossed the tapers away
    Little Bambi burned the house down on Christmas Day

    Poor Bambi, too namby pamby
    His equal would be hard to find
    He lit the torch of freedom
    And then refused to lead em
    Cause he wouldnt make up his mind
    (Immelt wouldnt let him)

  83. ‘These people promoting green energy are no better than the people who have filled their pockets with oil money.’

    EXACTLY!

  84. And yet obama wants to become best buddies with “the people who have filled their pockets with oil money.”

  85. CALL 202-224-3121 to voice your opinion about cap and trade.

    A defeat for BO on this one would be manna from heaven.

  86. Confloyd: you must not overlook the possibility that neither of them are right. I would bet on that one myself.
    ************
    Exactly…everyone had a “outside” agenda, usually resulting in campaign contributions, that is unrelated to actually trying to solve problems. The energy issues and global warming have no “right” answer but with decisions made based on the size of the bribe, we are screwed. The Republicans who deny global warming are either being payed off or are “young earth” creationists. Most of the Dems are no better.

  87. I wonder how obama and m.o. reconcile their dual Jeckyll and Hyde personalities. Are we sure it’s just cigarettes he is smoking?

  88. A moment of silence for the people who will lose their jobs for this bill??? ROTFLMAO!! This is total theatre!

  89. Why is it that Americans are not outraged that our elected officials are not even reading these mammoth bills being pushed through. It strikes me as criminal. Seems there should be someway to hold these people accountable.

  90. And yet obama wants to become best buddies with “the people who have filled their pockets with oil money.”
    **********
    Bambi is in bed with “Big Agra” and “Big Coal”. Funding the “Clean Coal” power plant in IL. for another $ 1billion, 42 more permits for mountain removal in West Virginia, siding with coal companies in law suits trying to protect the environment and water supplies and fighting court ordered release of WH logs that name the Coal lobbyist who visit the WH. More 11th dimensional chess according to the Obots.

  91. nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/politicalpulse.php

    Pessimism Rising Despite Obama’s Popularity
    Is the gap between public approval of the president and skepticism of his policies about to catch up with him?
    by William Schneider

    Saturday, June 27, 2009

    Three new polls are out, and all convey the same message: Progress in Washington has stalled, partly because President Obama is more popular than his policies.

    Take the CBS News/New York Times poll, which gave the president an overall approval rating of 63 percent. Obama gets just shy of 60 percent approval on foreign policy and terrorism, his strongest issues. His economic rating is holding up reasonably well (57 percent approval), even though the prevailing sentiment is that the president’s economic policies have not yet had much effect.

    On health care, Obama’s ratings are less than 50 percent. Many Americans are not yet familiar with his health care proposals.

    The president gets his worst marks on his handling of the auto industry (41 percent approval). The public doesn’t like bailouts. “Some of those things are popular; some of those things are not popular,” White House press secretary Robert Gibbs commented in response to the poll. “I think the president would tell you that he’s going to do what he thinks is in the best interest of the American economy.”

    Bottom line? In the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, three-quarters of Americans said they like Obama. But only about half (51 percent) said they support his policies.

    People think that the economic recovery may be slowing. From February to May, more Americans began to think that the economy was getting better (5 percent in February, 26 percent in April, 32 percent in May), according to the CBS/Times poll. But now the number of optimists has dwindled a bit — to 27 percent.

    The Pew Research Center poll? From January to May, the number of people who said they were satisfied with the way things are going in the country increased from 20 percent to 34 percent. Now the number has sagged to 30 percent.

    “I suggest we not move forward [on health care reform] until we have some provision as to how we are going to pay for it.” — Sen. John McCain

    Likewise, in the NBC/Journal poll, 59 percent of respondents in January said that the country was on the wrong track. By April, that figure had dipped to 43 percent. And now? It’s back up slightly, to 46 percent.

    Gibbs responds, “I think the American people are rightly anxious and concerned about the economy, just as the president is.”

    The polls also show growing concern over the federal budget deficit. In the CBS/Times poll, people say that reducing the deficit is more important than spending money to stimulate the national economy (52 percent to 41 percent). In the NBC/Journal poll, 58 percent say that the president and Congress should worry more about keeping the budget deficit down than about boosting the economy.

    But Americans do not fault Obama for the budget deficit. Asked who is most responsible for the federal deficit, 46 percent blamed the Bush administration in the NBC/Journal poll. Only 6 percent blamed the Obama administration. “We have accumulated a structural deficit that is going to take a long time [to reduce],” Obama said.

    Meanwhile, health care reform appears to have stalled after the Congressional Budget Office came up with a startling $1.6 trillion price tag for one plan the Senate is considering. That bottom line emboldened critics such as Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who said, “I suggest we not move forward until we have some provision as to how we are going to pay for it.”

    What’s needed is a greater sense of public urgency. Otherwise, as Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., said, “for those of us who were here in 1994, this is deja vu all over again. This is ‘Hillarycare-plus.’ ” In 1993, according to the Pew poll, most Americans said that the nation’s health care system needed to be completely rebuilt (55 percent). By the time the debate ended in 1994, fewer than 40 percent felt that way. Now just 41 percent favor reform.

    Democrats are trying to increase the sense of urgency. “If we do not fix our health care system, America may go the way of [General Motors],” Obama warned in a speech to the American Medical Association.

    Organizing for America, the president’s citizen lobbying organization, has begun to rally grassroots support for overhauling the health care system. Supporters are running TV ads promoting “a public health insurance option to lower costs and keep insurance companies honest.” But the president has said, “As clear as it is that our system badly needs reform, reform is not inevitable.”

  92. Friday, June 26, 2009

    Obama hints at amnesty for illegal immigrants

    – by Mike Sunnucks

    President Barack Obama stayed away from hot-button words in remarks Thursday on immigration reform, but hinted that his immigration push will include some kind of “amnesty” or “legal path” for illegal immigrants already in the United States. He also praised U.S. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who was at a White House meeting on the issue and has supported a legal path for undocumented immigrants and a guest worker program.

    “What’s also been acknowledged is that the 12 million or so undocumented workers are here — who are not paying taxes in the ways that we’d like them to be paying taxes, who are living in the shadows, that is a group that we have to deal with in a practical, common-sense way,” Obama said after the meeting. “And I think the American people are ready for us to do so. But it’s going to require some heavy lifting, it’s going to require a victory of practicality and common sense and good policy making over short-term politics. That’s what I’m committed to doing as president.”

    On his former campaign foe, he said: “I want to especially commend John McCain, who’s with me today, because along with folks like Lindsey Graham, he has already paid a significant political cost for doing the right thing. I stand with him.”

    Obama also said Thursday he is making U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano a key point person on the immigration reform push. As Arizona’s former governor, Napolitano signed an employer sanctions bill into law and backed deployment of National Guard troops along the Arizona-Mexico border. She, however, was skeptical about a border wall and flirted with the idea of allowing illegal immigrants to obtain drivers licenses.

    bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2009/06/22/daily52.html?ana=fox

  93. Pessimism Rising Despite Obama’s Popularity
    Is the gap between public approval of the president and skepticism of his policies about to catch up with him?
    by William Schneider
    ———————–
    If this is the same joker that we see on cnn then he is being highly selective in the informantion he presents. In fact, the Rassumussen survey which has a more legitimate cross section of the public presents a darker picture for Mr. Obama. But even now it begs the question: when it comes to the job of president which would you rather have: someone you like or someone who can solve our problems. Only an idiot would prefer the former over the latter. Let us hope the percentage of idiots is declining.

  94. confloyd Says:
    June 26th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    These people promoting green energy are no better than the people who have filled their pockets with oil money. I have said this for a long time. Crooks, Crooks and more Crooks!

    =====================

    Maybe we’ll finally get some green energy now the crooks are on board.

  95. JanH Says:

    June 26th, 2009 at 11:19 am
    Rahm Emanuel says Obama’s job much tougher than Clinton’s

    By Dave Cook | 06.25.09

    Obama’s late night prep

    When asked for an example, Emanuel noted that Obama, “goes into a meeting and he’ll have read the brief the night before, and have the crux of his argument written down that he wants to drive that discussion to basic points. And he goes right to either the assumptions, the presumptions of the case.”

    *************************************************

    Are they freaking kidding us? They ram thru the TARP and stimulus and the rest that is pending but they don’t bother to read what they are sponsoring or approving…hence, the O excuse for ‘they didn’t know about the AIG bonusus’…

    like Michael Barone is saying…the O admin is not paying attention (or ignoring) to those pesky little details…they are just in ‘throwing everything against the wall’ mode and for them hope most of it sticks…regardless of how damaging or unfamiliar the outcome is…

    *****************************************

    as for the one sentence…I am sticking with ‘He’s not the One’ to evolve into “He wasn’t the One”

  96. Turndown, Yep, can’t do anything without the crooks on board. I have to say I am for the bill, its been quiet interesting listening to the theatre that must go on daily in the House of Representatives.

    I do want to quit giving my money to the Saudi Kings.

  97. Well the republicans are dragging their feet and be obstructionists, hoping people will leave before the vote. This is so ridiculous! Boehner seems to know exactly what he is doing.

  98. Much as I detest Dickie Morris, he often has brilliant insight.
    He just laid out the way BO tunrs a summer of destruction into a permanent majority,

    1 – increase union membership from 12 – 17%
    2 – Pass amnesty and get millions of extra hispanic votes
    3 – use acorn to cook the census books

    If BO has his way he will have destroyed healthcare, energy and the auto/manufacturing sector in a breathtakingly short time. It’s a socio-political blitzkrieg.
    Seeing the House call for a moment of silence for MJ today says it all. I think he and his group want to destroy everything, confiscate what’s not ruined and start over from scratch – for their benefit. We’ll be held hostage by the charlie rangles, the jessie jackson juniors, the al sharptons of the country.

  99. just had a chuckle…can’t remember if it was Mrs. Smith or ABM90 who on an earlier thread regarding the fly story mentioned ‘Lord of the Flies’

    ‘Lord of the Flies’ will be my second choice for “the” sentence

    ‘Lord of the Flies’ – ‘He wasn’t the One’

  100. Call to execute Iran protest chiefs

    Friday June 26 2009

    A senior cleric has urged for Iran’s protest leaders to be punished “without mercy” and said some should face execution.

    The call by Ayatollah Ahmed Khatami indicated a harsh new turn in the regime’s crackdown on demonstrators two weeks after its disputed presidential election.

    Hardliners have ordered long sentences and hangings before, and some fear those awaiting trial by a judiciary whose verdicts reflect the will of supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei could face severe punishments.

    “Anyone who takes up arms to fight with the people, they are worthy of execution,” Ayatollah Ahmed Khatami, a ranking cleric, said in a nationally broadcast sermon at Tehran University.
    Mr Khatami said those who disturbed the peace and destroyed public property were “at war with God” and should be “dealt with without mercy”.

    His call for merciless retribution for those who stirred up Iran’s largest wave of dissent since the 1979 Islamic Revolution came as Mir Hossein Mousavi, the nation’s increasingly isolated opposition leader, has been under heavy pressure to give up his fight and slipped even further from view.

    Mr Mousavi said he would seek official permission for any future rallies, effectively ending his role in street protests organised by supporters who insist he – not hard-line incumbent president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad – won the June 12 election.

    And an aide said Mr Mousavi’s website, his primary means of staying in touch with supporters, was taken down by unknown hackers. Mr Mousavi alleges he was robbed of victory through widespread and systematic fraud. The regime rejects the claim, refusing to consider new balloting, and on Friday, the Guardian Council – Iran’s top electoral body – proclaimed the vote the “healthiest” held since the revolution.

    Since the election, opposition protesters repeatedly have clashed with security forces who arrested hundreds of people, including journalists, academics and university students. At least 17 people have been killed, in addition to eight members of the pro-government Basij militia.

    guardian.co.uk/uk/feedarticle/8579273

  101. Basil, There is a republican amenment that is being debated right now that would just negate the bill by the Democrats.
    The sponsor of the amenment said his piece and the democrats answered and now Boehner is up there going line by line thru the amenment and making a fool of hisself. He is doing this so all the representatives that have to go home to pick up kids or whatever will not be there to vote, plus he ranting and making the democrats look foolish. Its totally ridiculous!

  102. basil, I am sorry, but all Boehner is talking about is all the govt controls that are in place in the bill. The republicans want NO controls and where has that led us?? He is just showing off! Hoyer seemed very pist that Boehner has been let to go on and on really saying nothing. He is just wasting time, which I thing the republicans are trying to do. He is on pg 141 right now and the bill is 1090 pages. This may go on until way up into the night.

  103. Is that Boehner reading from each page? If so, I think it’s terrific SOMEONE’S reading the friggin thing!

    (I’m listening but can’t see the video)

  104. But confloyd,

    they just got the 1200 page bill yesterday. if this is what it takes to make them read it, I say go for it.

    I’d rather they know wtf is in the bill before they frigigin vote on it.

    Does anyone have a good link to streaming c-span?

  105. basil, I guess your right, but why doesn’t he just read it without all the theatrics. It makes him look pompas. He’s injecting little anedotes at the end of everthing. He is also picking and chosing what he wants to read and injecting his idea of it. I don’t think that is right.

  106. Worse than Bush:

    “The Obama administration, fearing a battle with Congress that could stall plans to close Guantanamo, has drafted an executive order that would reassert presidential authority to incarcerate terrorism suspects indefinitely, according to three senior government officials with knowledge of White House deliberations.”
    (snip)

    /www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/26/AR2009062603361.html

    Anyone who thinks allowing this sociopath to have Exec. Power to order “indefinite incarceration” has terminal Kool-Aid brain damage.

  107. confloyd,

    I think they are both their own worst enemies. Depending on which party has the majority power, this filibustering always goes on. It’s a joke now. The dims have done it. The reps are doing it.

  108. JanH, This is really the first time I have sat thru the whole thing. Its quiet interesting, but to me who has really never paid much attention to this, makes me realize WHY nothing ever gets done!!
    We need to throw them all out!

  109. confloyd,

    i can’t see boehner – just listening – but having read through many of these awful redundant legalize town and county resolution docs, I understand why he’s not reading the whole page.

    And if this is his way of stalling, i say good for him. No one has had a chance to read, digest and evaluate this monstrosity. i don’t want another stimulus-like POS passed that will just hasten what’s essentially the dismantling of the country as we have known it. How very convenient for BO that the MJ story is dominating BM.

  110. CONFLOYD!!!!

    What just happened?
    What did the oral vote stand for?
    It was mostly no’s.

    And now what’s the recorded vote?
    That Pooplosi is a piece of work, isn’t she? Lying through her friggin teeth.

  111. Conyers backs off Acorn Probe the day before his wife is indicted for bribery and faces 5 years in jail.

    Coincidence?

    👿

  112. I think this is the republican amenment part that they are voting on, because repub’s 127 dem’s 3. Yes, its the GOP substitute. Only 3 dem votes on it right now

  113. confloyd Says:
    June 26th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    Turndown, Yep, can’t do anything without the crooks on board. I have to say I am for the bill, its been quiet interesting listening to the theatre that must go on daily in the House of Representatives.

    I do want to quit giving my money to the Saudi Kings.

    ======================

    I’m sure Obama & Co are making this as bad as it can be — but it’s still better than the Saudi Kings or any other foreign oil source. Or any fossil fuels at all.

    Wind, solar — problems like noise can be solved. They are just building their turbines wrong and too close together. At least the basic technology is being developed — and an infrastructure to carry the power and to store it!

  114. Turndown, Its time we do this, the republicans only want oil and more oil, we have to get away from it.

  115. Sorry, But I have been forced to read up on solar and wind and alternative energies for many of the ag-related stories I cover and it’s not as easy or as cheap, not to mention viable as the libs want you to think.
    There’s a huge initial investment, for example, for a single wind turbine to provide power for a home.
    The initial investment for a larger building like a school, can take up to 20 years to recoup. And that’s putting the best possible spin on it.
    Same thin for converting oil-fueled furnaces to wood-biomass ones.
    And solar energy – fergeddaboudit in the northeast. If I hadn’t spoken to some of the foremost environmentalists about these issues, many of which are being discussed at local town board meetins, i wouldn’t say anything. But I have and I’ve also read their reports.

  116. from BP
    *************************************

    Stimulating the top 2%

    washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Stimulating-the-top-2-49113977.html

    I haven’t checked their methodology, but I’m not surprised by the numbers in this report from the American Small Business League:

    According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 98% of all U.S. firms have less than 100 employees. Approximately 25 million firms fall into that category. These firms employ over 55% of the private sector workforce and are responsible for over 95% of all new jobs created in America. (www.asbl.com)

    The American Small Business League (ASBL) has found of the $2.7 trillion that has been allocated so far to stimulate the national economy, only $21 billion, or less than 1% of the funds have directly gone to small businesses. (tinyurl.com/mfzfp7)

    The remainder of the funds that were allocated to businesses wound up in the hands of the top 1% of U.S. firms.

    As I often say, when you give power and money to government, you are giving power and money to whoever has the best lobbyist–and that’s not Mom n Pop.

  117. BUSINESS AS USUAL!
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    Dems put Congressional Black Caucus member in charge of Congressional Black Caucus investigation

    tinyurl.com/mmoh89

  118. basil9 Says:
    June 26th, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    Sorry, But I have been forced to read up on solar and wind and alternative energies for many of the ag-related stories I cover and it’s not as easy or as cheap, not to mention viable as the libs want you to think.
    There’s a huge initial investment, for example, for a single wind turbine to provide power for a home.
    The initial investment for a larger building like a school, can take up to 20 years to recoup. And that’s putting the best possible spin on it.

    ======================

    That may be too long for an individual or even a school to wait. But after the 20 (or whatever) years, we WOULD be free of the Saudi’s. So it’s a reasonable investment for the federal government to make.

  119. Hi friends: So much to do and so little time.Lord of the Flies implys royalty and and many of his cult will look on it as an honor so I must change that one sentence and apply reality.My new choice is “A Pig In A POKE “.
    Meantime he is enjoying the many breaking news stories that keep the public diverted along with the many sports events that we follow with no time for political watchdogging.I am sure that slippery slim is fast at work under the news cycles arranging for he and MJ have space on Mt.Rushmore.In fact that title of the monument churns up another one sentence for this hapless anomily “Telebama Rushmore”. This sad state of affairs with the commander in thief must not be allowed to grow like a cancer on this great country.The Dr. that treated me said I was to old for any surgical procedures and I countered with the cold fact that if I were not on Medicare I would be open season for the medical coffers.I must say that I find being old and bold keeps me alive and well and deep in the fight for Hillary and the desire to see her rescue this country from NOBAMA.

    BY ABM90 My literary ineptitude runneth over but it sure is a lot of fun.

  120. A LITTLE BIT OF SARAH IN kOSOVO

    conservatives4palin.com/2009/06/video-palin-addressing-troops-in-kosovo.html

  121. from redstate:

    The Democrats in the House of Representatives have voted to destroy the United States economy unilaterally. The vote was 220-203. 5 people did not vote. (As of 7:15 p.m.)

    The vote was extremely close. 8 Republicans voted yes. 43 Democrats voted no.

    Your persistent phone calls kept the margin very narrow and now make

    From Redstate via BP
    *********************************

    We must keep up the pressure in the Senate. We also now have a lot of momentum going into the healthcare fight. Democrats cannot expect to hold the same economy destroying coalition together.

    Also, several Democrats are now dead men walking. We will clean their clocks next year.

    UPDATED: Both James Inhofe and Harry Reid predict the legislation is dead in the Senate.

  122. TurndownObama, Are you for or against this bill that just passed in the house??
    I think we need to get off foreign oil and the Bush/Cheney and Co. will never get us there, but I worry about the time being so bad right now for it. Of coarse, there will never be a good time.

  123. Confloyd: this bill is a scam. It will raise the price of energy utilizatiion by 300% across the mid west. The trading program is based on the Enron Model and will be administered by Goldman Sachs which is where Henry Paulson came from and was the architect of the bailout plan which robbed the American People and rewarded the crooks. There was a 400 page amendment which was not delivered until 3am on the day of the vote, making it impossible for anyone to knw what they were voting on. The House Majority Leader Hoyer told the hold outs that they would not be supported in their run for re election not in secret but from the floor of the House. Eight Republicans defected in exhange for thirty pieces of silver. We need to find out who they are and see that they are primaried and not supported by the RNC. This bill is a scam and a ripoff on the American People. It strenthens Bambis sense of delusion, and paves the way for passage of the health care rationing bill and the illegal immigration deluge, strating with the sixteen million illegals with limited skills. We will be bankrupt within two years and a major upheaval will follow.

  124. UPDATED: Both James Inhofe and Harry Reid predict the legislation is dead in the Senate.
    ——————————–
    Unless . . . . . .

    Oh, well, we will still be bankrupt.

    That is the good news.

  125. Like it or not, he has the votes and knows how to intimidate dems to go along….whether it passes by 1 or 50, Obama comes out the winner. I am afraid we are in for many “close” votes, like our “close primary, but will be disappointed by the results more often than not.

  126. What a F**king Joke:

    “Gov. Kaine Names Democratic Change Commission To Recommend Changes to 2012 Presidential Nominating Process

    Congressman James E. Clyburn and Senator Claire McCaskill to Serve as Co-Chairs, Kaine Says…..

    ww.democrats.org/page/content/changecommission

  127. Why is it that he thinks he has to solve all the world’s crises in the first 6 months? Why can’t he “pay as he goes” or at least not bankrupt the nation so quickly? He is overloading and is going to cause an even worse collapse than already exists.

  128. If anyone from Red State is listening, clean up your own mess first. Take care of your own RINO defectors, primary them, expel them from the party, force them to do a spector, ostrasize them, do not support their legislation, raise no money for them, isolate them, hang the judas badge on them, brand them as the unforgiven. If you are unwilling to do that then turn in your charter. If you are the minority party you have got to enforce party discipline. This was Roy Blounts job–what happened. And lay off the bluedogs who stood with you and the American People. They are the only heroes in this grim scenario.

  129. Why is it that he thinks he has to solve all the world’s crises in the first 6 months? Why can’t he “pay as he goes” or at least not bankrupt the nation so quickly? He is overloading and is going to cause an even worse collapse than already exists
    —————————————————
    Jan- three reasons: i) he hates the country, ii) he is a megalomaniac and iii) he is incompetent.

  130. Confloyd: the other thing this bill will do is raise the cost of manufacturing in the United States and will force more American jobs off shore. It is pure toxic waste.

  131. “Gov. Kaine Names Democratic Change Commission To Recommend Changes to 2012 Presidential Nominating Process
    ——————————————————-
    I think we need to form a third party, which respects the people of this country and represents their interests not those of Wall Street. If we still have a country. If our economic situation were not as perilous as it is I would not be so apocalyptic.

  132. We must keep up the pressure in the Senate. We also now have a lot of momentum going into the healthcare fight. Democrats cannot expect to hold the same economy destroying coalition together.
    ————————————————–
    What we are seeing now is the death of common sense. Thus, I have no confidence that congress will reject the health care scam either. We have an idiot at the healm and he is leading us toward a major economic disaster. Once you realize that you cease to worry.

  133. What we are seeing now is the death of common sense.
    ***********
    With the last three Presidential elections, the American people have made it clear that they don’t care if this country ends up on the scrap heap of history. All things come to an end but I didn’t expect to see it in my lifetime.

  134. Health reform is next, and that will effect us much more than this nonsense on climate control which Gore has used to become a gazillionzire.

  135. From Red state

    The Quisling Republicans

    these are the Republicans who sold out the nation\’s future
    Posted by Streiff (Profile)

    Friday, June 26th at 7:36PM EDT

    56 Comments
    Bono Mack

    Castle

    Kirk

    Lance

    LoBiondo

    McHugh

    Reichert

    Smith (NJ)

    Complete vote tally here.

  136. Once upon a time I believed that my vote meant something. Questionned those who didn’t participate. The fact that OUR elected officials can vote on something again that they have not read, something which is so important fills me with absolute rage. I think everyone who voted aye should be impeached or arrested for failing to fulfill the trust we have given them. And the fact that the rat prick fat bastard gore stands to reap billions while traveling by yacht and private jet adds fuel to the fire. I could maybe understand if waffles election had been a mandate, but it wasn’t. And can someone please tell me why any bill which carries such heft could be in excess of 1000 pages? To think we could have had Hillary.

  137. Wbboei, What I don’t understand about the whole thing is that the republicans had all the ammunition to sink Obama in the election, why didn’t they?? They also have all the ammunition and all the scuttlebutt on him now, why haven’t they used it??
    All I seen them do in bitch and moan and make theatre, WHY??

    Its obvious the American people are getting screwed from both sides of the fence, so I don’t think you can expect the Republicans to help either.

  138. Rep. Ed Towns (D-NY) is making lots of angry noise over the BOA/Merrill Lynch deal. I’m wondering how long it will be before the party yanks his chain and shuts him up.

    “There’s something rotten in the cotton here — no ifs, ands or buts about it,” Representative Edolphus Towns, a New York Democrat who chairs the House Oversight Committee, told reporters after the hearing. “There was a forced situation, a shotgun wedding” and “we’re just trying to find out who had the shotgun.”

    In other news, Rep. Conyers, who was leading the fight to investigate the ACORN corruption, has now said there will be no further investigation. When asked why, he said that “The powers that be decided against it.” Later, when pressed on who those powers were, he waffled around and said he was talking about himself.

    Someone is putting the major screws to these people that even try to have a modicum of responsibility and root out the crooks. They shut up QUICK within a day or so, often completely reversing themselves from their prior statements. It’s a pattern that happens again and again.

    The Chicago Machine has fucking DIRT on these people, I’d swear it, though I’ve no proof.

  139. Henry, maybe this was Gore’s payoff by the elites that pick the president. We all know Gore won the election in 00′, we also know Hillary won the primary. We know there are people who are selecting the President. There has to be a payoff for keeping quiet, why not Gore’s love, climate control? What will be Hillary’s equal rights for women worldwide??

  140. What is the matter with Mary Bono? Palm Springs for god sake. Safest Republican District. No need to break ranks. Last time I saw her was a the Republican House Senate dinner. Sonny was dead and after a respectable period of mourning she married the drummer of the group Diamond Rio. Not surprisingly, they provided the entertainment that evening. What a disappointment.

    Reichert is a lackluster official. His claiim to fame is that he led the investigation of the Green River Killer who murdered a string of young women in what is now called the sex trade. He too is from a wealthy district which borders on the richest district in the the Pacific Northwest. That was where the late Jennifer Dunn was from and she was a very good lady. I think her son Reagan Dunn is there now. I pay not attention to these things now, since I left the Party.

    I no longer have a current copy of The Almanac of American Politics which gives a wealth of information on all members of congress. If I did I would give you the gouge on the rest of the traitors. Until this I had alot of respect for Mary. I worked with her office on a parallel bill one time and they were good people. But that was then and this is now.

    I think I will write a letter to Steele, and possibly to Bainer. I said Blout above, I think he is still the whip, but again I no longer keep track of these things.

  141. HillaryforTexas, yep they have dirt on everyone and thats how these things are going down. This is also why Bambi is in such a hurry to get things done before we figure it out.

  142. henry, it makes me furious, too. My husband is a doctor, and said to me, “How far do you think I’d get if I just decided to treat a patient with ‘whatever’ treatment, having never opened the chart, looked at the labs, or read the test results?”

    That’s insane, of course. He’d be in jail! He could say all day long that he “had no time” to crack open the chart before he made decisions, and a judge and jury would hang him high. There is too much responsibility in his hands. You don’t just fuck with people’s lives with NO information whatsoever. But that is exactly what our Congress does, repeatedly.

  143. Its like they are scared not to give Obama what he wants! Its weird! THey are like sheep! Did you see the on Hoyer face today when Boehner was reading the bill practically page by page, he was pist.

  144. What I don’t understand about the whole thing is that the republicans had all the ammunition to sink Obama in the election, why didn’t they?? They also have all the ammunition and all the scuttlebutt on him now, why haven’t they used it??
    All I seen them do in bitch and moan and make theatre, WHY??
    ———————————————————-
    Three reasons: first, there are no virgins in the whorehouse. second, the economic and security situation is too precarious. third, they watching to polls, and seeing the decline in his performance and their strategy is one of passive resistance now, attack later nearer to the 2010 election.

    Mary may be worried about global warming. Summers in her district reach 120 degrees.

  145. HillaryforTexas
    The thing that really gets my goat is that it seems to me that it will be the middle class that gets royally screwed. Those people who work forty plus hours per week in a job which is far from fulfilling but they get up each day and do it because it is the right thing to do. They pay their taxes and when this cap and trade bullshit takes effect I believe they will be the most injured. I have heard that there are many provisions for the poor included and the affluent aren’t going to care about a few dollars. But those in the middle earning 50k will be screwed. If you are a parent a 2000 increase in utilities/year amounts to 36000 dollars you could have put away for education. When so many people have worked so hard to put something away and saw a large percentage of it disappear in the stock markets is now the time to add another tax. These people are not voting for their constituents.

  146. June 26, 2009

    Gay Democrats close wallets to Obama

    By Christina Bellantoni

    Gay Democrats are using their wallets to pressure President Obama, while liberal groups are asking him to repeal “don’t ask, don’t tell” as a national security issue.

    Several top donors have boycotted Democratic National Committee fundraisers and promised the party would feel the financial pain.

    Despite pressure from Democrats and liberal groups, the administration has swatted down calls for Mr. Obama to exert executive authority and halt discharges happening at a rapid clip under the “don’t ask, don’t tell” ban on gays serving openly in the military.

    The fundraising pressure started with frustration over the Obama administration’s Justice Department defending the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in a legal brief. Mr. Obama has said he wants to repeal the act. But the language in the brief — comparing same-sex marriage to incest, for example — has been labeled by many as indefensible and offensive, and wealthy gay activists are warning they will keep withholding money.

    “Unfortunately, I will see everything that the Obama administration does for LGBT Americans through the lens of the DOMA brief,” Stampp Corbin, a San Diego city commissioner and former co-chairman of the Obama campaign’s LGBT Leadership Council, wrote on his blog. “Mr. President, … [y]ou better get LGBT affirming legislation moving quickly or the coffers of the LGBT community will be slammed shut on the fingers of your administration and the DNC.”

    White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said he was not aware of internal discussions involving the language in the Justice Department brief and that he did not know whether the language was cleared by Mr. Obama, but he has said the Justice Department is required to argue in favor of government laws.

    A Capitol Hill arts shop this weekend will have live music and food to urge gays and lesbians to “redirect their dollars” from Thursday’s DNC fundraiser to a gay-friendly film festival Reel Affirmations. Donors will send a “regrets card” to the DNC to alert the party to the frustration.

    As the gay rights efforts increase in size and scope, the White House seems to be responding. Mr. Obama will speak to gays and lesbians Monday and face questions about the next steps he’s promised following the extension of some benefits to gay federal workers.
    Among those steps may be including gay couples in the 2010 census, but members of Congress and activists want Mr. Obama to go further with either an executive order on the military ban or telling the Pentagon to stop investigating reports of gay service members.

    Lawrence Korb of the Center for American Progress said it’s unacceptable that 265 people have been discharged under the ban since Mr. Obama took office in January. “Readiness is going to suffer and people’s lives could get lost,” he said. Recently, 77 members of Congress — 76 Democrats and one Florida Republican — wrote to Mr. Obama, saying they “stand ready” to assist him with the repeal, calling the 1990s-era law “misguided, unjust and flat-out discriminatory.” They said national security “will continue to suffer” if the president waits until 2010 or 2011 to take action and asked that he direct the Pentagon not to investigate any outings of gay service members.

    Mr. Gibbs repeatedly said Thursday that Mr. Obama believes “the only and best way to do this is through a durable comprehensive legislative process,” meaning the duty falls to Congress. Already, 149 lawmakers already have co-sponsored a bill to end the ban on gay troops.

    The White House won’t say when the repeal might become reality, but aides say the president remains committed to repealing the military ban and DOMA and would sign bills repealing each.
    “Anybody who works in Washington who tells you a specific timeline is kidding you because a timeline is when you get 218 votes in the House of Representatives and 60 votes in the Senate,” said John Berry, director of the Office of Personnel Management and the highest-ranking openly gay member of the administration. “That’s the rules of the road.” A White House spokesman said Mr. Obama had long planned the Monday gathering with gay families, volunteers, activists and community leaders as part of Pride Month.

    But Thursday, the administration got the cold shoulder as Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. spoke to the LGBT Leadership Council at Washington’s Mandarin Oriental Hotel. About 50 protesters with signs reading “Shame” urged attendees to turn away, but openly gay Rep. Tammy Baldwin, Wisconsin Democrat, said she wanted to express frustration both outside and inside the event. Despite the prominent Stonewall Democratic Club and other top donors sitting out of the fundraiser, the event raised about $1 million for the national party, a larger haul than last year.

    Mr. Biden took the dust-up head-on, pledging that the administration wants “true equality for all our people” and adding, “I don’t blame you for your impatience.” He received an ovation for pledging the repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell” and DOMA.

    On Tuesday, fundraiser activists at Fenway Park greeted Mr. Biden with signs that read: “No Gay Rights, No $.” The protest was organized by a Facebook group, which declared, “Money talks, folks.” “If the Obama administration and the Dems want to tamper down frustrations, the only way for them to do so will be to take concrete strong action to pass substantive LGBT civil rights measures,” the organizers wrote.

    Mr. Korb, of the Obama-friendly Center for American Progress, detailed a report Wednesday with “practical steps” to repeal “don’t ask, don’t tell,” starting with an executive order to end the discharges and then sending or endorsing legislation to repeal the law.
    “THE longer you wait the harder it’s going to be. You lose the momentum,” he said, citing a University of California at Los Angeles study suggesting 4,000 members of the military leave because they “don’t want to live with the pressure.” The study also showed 40,000 homosexuals want to enlist but don’t for fear of being kicked out.

    In all, more than 12,500 gay members of the military have been discharged in the 15 years since the ban became law.

    Michael B. Keegan, president of liberal-leaning group People For the American Way praised Mr. Obama’s oratorical ability to bridge social divides on the tough issues of race, abortion and religious freedom, saying it’s now “time to make that speech” on gay rights. “You have shied from promoting the vision of equality that you articulated during your campaign,” he wrote in a letter to the president. “The lack of your leadership on these issues damages both America’s sense of fairness and the credibility of your administration.”

    Gay rights group Equality Maryland is asking supporters to write to Mr. Obama, reminding him to “be the fierce advocate you promised.”

    washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/26/obama-pressed-to-repeal-dont-ask-dont-tell/

  147. Clinton’s injury still limiting her work schedule

    2 hours ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — One week after surgery to repair a broken right elbow, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on Friday had not resumed a full work schedule at the State Department, officials said.

    Her spokesman, P.J. Crowley, told reporters that Clinton, who broke her arm in a fall at the State Department on June 17, was keeping an “aggressive schedule,” including meetings at the White House on Thursday and Friday.

    He also said she was doing “a significant amount” of her work from home, including making official phone calls. On Friday she spoke from home by phone with the foreign minister of Argentina, Crowley said, and she met at the State Department with Crown Prince Sheik Salman bin Hamad bin Isa Al-Khalifa of Bahrain.

    Clinton had surgery on June 19. Afterward the State Department said doctors told her she was expected to recover without lasting damage to her arm. No timetable for a full recovery has been made public.

    Clinton has limited her public appearances since the injury. On the advice of her doctors, she canceled a planned trip to Trieste, Italy and to Corfu, Greece, to attend international meetings this week.

    “Obviously, given the reality of … her injury and the operation, she is, you know, fast working her way back to, you know, to reintegrate herself into the daily activity of the bureau,” Crowley said. “I think we have travel coming up in the near future. So I think she will be visible as we continue on.”

    Late Friday afternoon the State Department released two official photos of Clinton in her meeting with the Bahraini crown prince. They showed her right arm in a cast from about the middle of her upper arm to near her wrist. She is right-handed.

    google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i5ZneHXsbUsYe6Vg3C3Uk8u0NFHAD992M38O0

  148. Mary may be worried about global warming. Summers in her district reach 120 degrees.
    ***********************************************

    I DON’T LIKE HER. SHE WAS INCREDIBLY VICIOUS RE CLINTON’S IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS AND SHE IS AN ELITIST. THEY RUN IN THE PACK IN THE END.

  149. JanH
    My problem with the “gay” community leaders is where were they when Palin was being vilified? I am gay and I had many friends who rode buses from NYC to Ohio during the prior election and I expressed to them that if you carry on this campaign you will help Bush win Ohio. Don’t know if I was right or wrong but I think we must choose our battles. I went to many gay bars during the primaries with signs and stickers for Hillary and was told by owners they could not politicize but once it came down to the general there were waffles signs everywhere. So I wonder if bambi throws the affluent gay community a bone will they ignore all of his other injustices and just embrace him?

  150. wbboei, I do think maybe they folded their hand during the election thinking they could not win, but I believe they could have won if they’d used the ammunition we all know they have. They have all of it on Bambi and yet they refuse to get down and dirty as they did with Bill Clinton. They went after Hillary with gusto even to the point of making crap up about her, so why not him???

    I don’t believe this show from the republicans at all, they all in on it, at some of them. Bush raided the middle class and now Bambi is finishing it, so I think one side is as bad as the other, after all they are all friends when they aren’t in session.

  151. wbboei, bottom line I think the Chicago machine has everyone blackmailed including Hillary and Bill.

  152. Cap and trade will kill the independent restaurant. A place that seats 50 often needs to run the air conditionning in the dead of winter and at best a small establishment is doing 20 percent. Jack up their utilities they have to raise prices but they can’t compete with the buying power of the chains. So the business fails and fifty people are out of work and we all lose cause the only place to get a burger or a feta omelet will be a chain.

  153. henry,

    I think throwing a bone and throwing someone under the bus are the same thing for this man. As Admin keeps saying, he can’t be trusted.

  154. I hope the WH is also going to be turning the A/C to 80 also, after all we all did it in the 70’s. I remember seeing Nixon with a sweater on in the winter in the WH.

  155. JanH
    but what I meant was where was the gay community when Palin was relentlessly attacked. Over the years the Jewish community has been perhaps the greatest champion for human rights across the board. So when a woman is attacked because of gender I think it is imperative that someone speak out. Yet there was nothing but silence from all corners. I did vote for McCain/Palin and damn I wish I had a president who turned down a private jet as she did. I as a gay man respect her far more than waffles.

  156. Henry,
    you might like the video

    gonzotx Says:

    June 26th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
    A LITTLE BIT OF SARAH IN kOSOVO

    conservatives4palin.com/2009/06/video-palin-addressing-troops-in-kosovo.html

  157. confloyd Says:
    June 26th, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    Henry, maybe this was Gore’s payoff by the elites that pick the president. We all know Gore won the election in 00′, we also know Hillary won the primary. We know there are people who are selecting the President. There has to be a payoff for keeping quiet, why not Gore’s love, climate control? What will be Hillary’s equal rights for women worldwide??

    ======================

    Wooof, what an attractive thought. If these elite kingmakers will deliver permanently, and keep the climate and women’s measures intact in future — that could be a more solid gain than whatever a Pres Gore or a Pres Hillary could have done for those causes. (Remember they’d be fighting the same forces Bill fought in the 90s.)

    But I doubt it. Climate protection would cost too much, and women’s rights would anger too many kings.

  158. JanH
    I just had a flashback to 11th grade and reading Skokie v Illinois(wbboei and jbstonesfan my apologies as I know attorneys are more than a bit bored by the case). I was sixteen and astounded by the integrity of the lawyers who defended the rights of the abhorable group even against their own self interest. Niavely that is the America I thought I lived in, but today when a black panther is allowed to intimidate a voter in front of a polling place and the case is flat out dismissed I am at a loss.

  159. confloyd Says:
    June 26th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    TurndownObama, Are you for or against this bill that just passed in the house??
    I think we need to get off foreign oil and the Bush/Cheney and Co. will never get us there, but I worry about the time being so bad right now for it. Of coarse, there will never be a good time.

    ==================

    Since Obama’s crowd wrote it, I’m sure it’s as bad as possible. The whole ‘cap trade’ thing sounds like a scam, a way for the polluters to juggle some figures and probably end up making money and defeating the purpose.

    However as I’ve said, any help for renewable energy at all is very important, perhaps the most important issue there is, imo.

  160. America is dependent on oil
    Well as the medical community will verify cold turkey doesn’t work with dependencies
    Gradual is the key.
    I wonder how many people in congress have a vested interest in these new energy companies? Does gore still hold some position within the dnc? Could he somehow be charged with something for his gross manipulations?

  161. gonzotx
    I am a Palin fan by default. One thing I do believe is that she has integrity. Which is something I feel is entirely lacking in all of DC. But lets face it we don’t elect the president the media does. Congress is a sham controlled by interest groups. Hoe preposterous for our elected officials to have a moment of silence for a singer when not one read a bill they were considering. And also if they we going to be so absurd as to acknowledge the death of a pop star why not acknowledge Farrah as well. Michael Jackson may have sold millions of records but he devolved while a woman diminished as nothing more than a babe evolved. Progressed. Challanged and didn’t give up. Who deserves more respect?

  162. integrity of the lawyers who defended the rights of the abhorable group
    *************
    National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie. That case demonstrated that the ACLU really took the Constitution seriously. The ACLU took a big financial hit after they represented the NSPA in that law suit.

  163. Folks from the very beginning I was wary of the green movement. I questioned how many of those wanting it had a vested interest in it, but what should the average person do??
    I mean the people that hold the key to get Obama out of office, did not lift a finger. The people in the oil business had the price of oil out of reach for many. I just don’t know who to believe, I just know right from the beginning I had it all pegged right.
    I just don’t know where Bill and Hillary fit in. I do know the repubicans tied Bill’s hands and they completely tied Hillary’s. They knew from the beginning that Hillary would be a force for the good and against everything they believed in and they successfully got her in a place where she can do the least damage to their goal. THey had given her crumbs. She accepted to try an make some kind of impact because of her belief in American. As I see it, she was one of the few real Americans left in D.C.

  164. shv
    sorry had the case name wrong but damn I remember being sixteen and reading that neo-nazi’s holding a parade in a community filled with survivors of the pogram that transpired. I was so inspired by those who elected to stick with what the Constitution said regardless of the position. In high school and college I volunteered answering phones for them because I was so impressed by the stance. Most calls were “my neighbor is making noise what can you do about it.” Well we only handle cases which deal with issues related to the bill of rights– to which I was called a commie bastard. I just wonder were they are now. Haven’t heard a peep in a long time.

  165. Okay here is a thought instead of cap and spend lets give rebates or exemptions to companies which are slowly moving away from fossil fuel. That way we get off our dependency slowly and people can still go to the movies in an air-conditioned environment on friday nights once a month. Ween us off oil.

  166. I thought they have been trying to ween us off oil for years, people buy those huge SUV’s instead of trying to save gas.

  167. confloyd
    so the price of gas goes up– you can’t afford to fill your suv you trade it in
    obama will not tell me when I bust my ass for 50 hours a week that I cannot come home and sleep in a comfortable environment especially when he wastes me in a week than I do in ten years. When a burger costs you 12 dollars defend this unscrutinized pos bill.

  168. Yeah, I know, I don’t want to give up my a/c either. I really don’t want any prices going up now for sure, I am now living on my husband’s disability because I now have to stay home to take care of him, so I am scared.

  169. my parent are in their sixties and had five children paid taxes took out loans for us to go to school. My dad’s pension was eradicated when the company went belly up. Mother is still working at 63 cause without the income they’d barely be existing. They have zero debt other than a little mortgage but they have worked their asses off for that. Now in their golden years they are going to have to pay an extra tax to cool their home when subsidies are huge for low income persons? And trust me up until bambi ordered me to do volunteer work I tutored and 9 out of ten students were the “product of single mothers” bullshit so many had two children to the same father but were getting all the government help you can imagine and the daddy was just not listed on bc and claimed to be living elsewhere. And trust me the corruption crosses all ethnic backgrounds. My point is everything is so screwed up and people like my parents are going to suffer. And hell my parents have five adult children so they’ll be okay but what about the fixed income older adults without selfish children?

  170. Oh and me ma and da were fifteen and eighteen when they got married and had an outhouse in western pa in the sixties. But they had 5 kids and got degrees and never once cried about how hard they worked. Nurse and grocery store manager.

  171. Good morning.

    ABM!!!! Glad you’re ok!

    I visit many different sites, including repub ones. Remember last year when we were saying party didn’t matter anymore – it was the person and their convictions we needed to vote for? Well, the repubs are saying the same thing, now.

    Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 10:04 PM
    They could not have read the bill.

    A 300 page amendment to a bill that greatly impacts every American and greatly burdens every American business was introduced at 3:00 AM Friday and passed 16 hours later.

    The spectacle of the House voting for a massive tax increase and a 300 page amendment they could not have read is a low point for post-segregationist Congresses. Never have so few read so little about so important a proposal, and yet brazen forward oblivious to the the deeply embarrassing charade it presents to the world. Banana republics make a better show of governing themselves than did the U.S. House of Representatives today.

    The only good thing about this disaster for the country’s reputation is the undeniable message it sends to voters about just how hard left the Democrats are and at the same time just how irresponsible the Obama/Pelosi/Reid majority is. Not only does today’s debacle strengthen the case for a massive course correction and return to balance in D.C. in 2010, it also should increase resistance to the similarly radical attempt to remake American medicine into a single-payer, government-dominated, Canada-style plan. A majority so obviously indifferent to the substance of “legislation” they pass should not be trusted with the medicine that Americans need to live well and long.

    The country knows the Obama/Pelosi/Reid Democrats are drunk on power and lurching so far to the left as to stun even partisan Democrats. The Senate may stop this attempt at economic suicide, but independents and Republicans cannot allow the public to forget the recklessness of today’s abdication of responsibility by the hard left House leadership.

  172. Good Morning who is here

    Yesterday was bundling day of my tech services to save money. You don’t even want to know how that went, but I will tell you anyway. The internet went fine. The dish fell apart. The whole installation was cancelled because to upgard to a dish that I needed, it took and OK, and that took 2 hours. I had to be rescheduled, and I got no priority. So instead of being completed this morning, it will happen on Tuesday. Kind of reminds me of the time we dealt with Cleveland Clinic and heart disease. The young Doctor kept being pulled to go to Saudie Arabia, and our appointment was pushed at least 2 months out every time.

    Do you remember when you use to be able to go to your local people and get SERVICE. A long time ago, when I was in college, we were told that we would move from a manufacturing entity, to a service entity. What they failed to recognize is the manufacturing moved out of the country, and so would a lot of the Service.

    They keep telling us we get more for less. What they fail to understand is we have no Service anymore. So, if we don’t manufacture, we don’t employ people to give service, we know why we are having high unemployment rates. Many of these companies are using this time period to lay off our people and send these jobs overseas, while they take the stimulus packages. I really think the CEOs should have their citizenship paper taken away for that.

    Oh well not a good way to start the day.

  173. One more thing, I really don’t think any job is safe. Soon, with the new medical plan, to save money, we will be diagnoses by TV by doctors outside the country. We will have someone hook us up to machines in hospitals, and our relatives will have to watch the machines, as nurses will not be available for that. We can also contract out the government entity to another country. After all I think we actually started contracting out the security of the US Ports, or tried to, before the people went into an uproar over it.

    When President Johnson made the decision to spend the SS money in place for our retirees, I believe it was the beginning of the shove it to the American people. He should have know that was wrong. IT IS WRONG TO SHOVE A 300 PAGE PAPER AT THE LEGISLATIVE BODY AND ASK THEM TO IMMEDIATELY TO VOTE ON IT. What about it do they not understand. But then what about it did the Dims not understand that the popular vote counts, and what the Reps did, was not OK for them to do. But then theY WON and that make the SIN OK. Just like for the Politicians, it is OK to cheat, UNLESS YOU GET CAUGHT, and how they went after BC with a straight face, while the whole time they were not going home at night.

    And the sad thing is, people on this blog know some of this is happening, but many American’s do not.

    I guess I had a bad day yesterday.

  174. Nothing will change in this country until we get real election reform. I have become convinced it’s the only hope for our Republic. We need publicly financed elections. Get the money, and the big donors, OUT of our system.

    Until we do that, we are only “electing” a revolving door of those beholden to GE, or Big Oil, or the insurance giants – not to the people.

    Our government, both R and D is OWNED, and not by us. All the rest, all the right vs left, R vs D, is merely kabuki theater.

  175. NMF,

    It sounds like your day really sucked. I know how you feel though. I bundled my telephone, internet, and television last year for savings. The first two I’ve had no problem with (knock on wood), the last…well…biggest mistake I ever made. What a piece of garbage and the service which is almost needed weekly…well…it translates to self-serve in most cases. Thank God I am moving to another area of the city next spring and contract or not, I am changing companies to one that may be a bit more expensive, but at least reliable.

  176. Supreme Court cases still to be decided

    The Associated Press

    Highlights of the three remaining cases the Supreme Court is expected to decide Monday at its last public session until October:

    -Reverse discrimination: White firefighters in New Haven, Conn., claim they were discriminated against when the city tossed out the results of a promotion exam because too few minorities scored high enough. The city says it acted because it might have been vulnerable to claims that the exam had a “disparate impact” on minorities in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The white firefighters said the decision violated the same law’s prohibition on intentional discrimination.

    -Anti-Hillary movie: The court must decide whether a scathing 90-minute documentary about Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that was made by a conservative group when she was running for the Democratic presidential nomination should be regulated as a campaign ad. Citizens United, the conservative not-for-profit group that made the movie, wanted to air television ads in important Democratic primary states and make the movie available to cable subscribers on demand, without complying with federal campaign finance law. The Federal Elections Commission and federal judges in Washington said the movie is subject to campaign finance restrictions.

    -Investigating lending discrimination: A fight between the states and the federal government over who gets to investigate national banks. The Obama administration says federal law prohibits states from looking at the lending practices of those banks, even under state anti-discrimination laws. Federal courts have so far blocked an investigation begun by New York, which is backed by the other 49 states, of whether minorities were being charged higher interest rates on home mortgage loans by national banks with branches in New York.

    newsobserver.com/1573/v-print/story/1586022.html

  177. Well, found out my rep, Ciro Rodriguez, was one of the few Dems to vote against that Cap and Tax bill. Good for him! I laughed my ass off, because he pulled a fast one on Pelosi. From Politico:

    Rodriguez had told leadership that he was a likely yes — but then cast a quick “no” vote and practically sprinted from the chamber, frustrating floor managers whose shouts of “Rodriguez!” rang through the House as the final anxious votes were cast.

    At one point, New York Rep. Anthony Weiner bounced from a huddle of leadership members and began calling the rep’s name, like a wayward toddler, as he scanned the Speaker’s lobby and the adjacent balcony.

    “He cast his no and then ran the hell out of there,” said a member of the whipping team, still steaming after the vote. “We tried him at his office and they said he was gone.”

  178. JanH

    I have been with a cable company for years but with the HD TV I find that we are rebooting, and there are spots and lines across the screens. You call them in Canada, and you basically reboot. Getting someone out to the house is an act of God. I was just going to adjust my phone, and I found out they really did not have people here, they contracted out. I guess what I am dealing with now is contracted out, but at least the name of the company is on the car.

    We live in a high tech world, and we are technical for our age, but coordinating all the crap we have (Home Phone, Cell, TV, Wireless Internet), really takes some outside help. Most computer places want you to bring in your hard drive. If anyone comes to the house to coordinate this stuff, we are talking big buck per hour.

    I just think, especially for the older people, we have a technical nightmirror.

  179. news.aol.com/article/irans-president-lashes-out-at-obama/545115?cid=12

    h stuff no ws

    Well I guess Iran is displeased with O interferance. After all did he not want to have a better relationship with them, then his standing up for human rights is just not acceptable to more friendlier talks.

    You deal with the Devil you do it on his terms.

  180. Obama’s unholy alliance/bridge building with some of the the most violent and unethical terrorists/criminals in the world today is going to backfire. And the ones who will take the brunt of his actions and suffer the most are the rest of us.

  181. This kind of remnds me of the way you raise children.

    There are those that think you can be a friend to your children, and they never want to see them cry.

    My theory was, I was in charge from day, and would have the most power and authority over them, then. So I made sure they had rules and there were consequences for breaking those rules. They were love, and got plenty of attention, but they also earned their way. The things given to them were never as well taken care of as the things they earned on their own.

    So Telling everyone that we are the big bad bears, and that we really want to be your friend, just lets them go out and try the boundries. You can see how well that is working. America should be a strick but caring leader in the world. However, people should always understand that we have rules, we take action, and we will not tolerate the violation of Human Rights which DEFINITELY INCLUDES WOMEN’S RIGHT.

  182. The problem is not that doctors order too many tests, but that the tests are over-priced.

    I saw a blog by a hospital ER doctor saying that actually running a scan (CT) is of neglible cost to the hospital: the machine is always sitting there warmed up, the tech is sitting there playing video games, the image reading person similar….

    I think it’s been discussed that hospitals put a ridiculously high price on these things, then adjust it down depending on who is paying. “We discount to what Medicare is willing to pay.”

  183. Turndown, I am a ct tech, believe me they order too many ct tests and they are way overpriced. I don’t know any ct techs playing video games. They order so many you can barely get them done and when your doing them the Dr’s are on the phone screaming at you to get another one done and that all his patients are more important than the one you are doing at that time. Everyone’s tests is stat, its a daily deal.
    You see when information like that goes out, its so far from the real truth that no one can understand what is involved.
    Mri is the same way, Mri takes longer and has many stipulations in doing it so it takes longer. They are also very busy. Its no picnic running a cat scan or mri machine, certainly not playing video games.

  184. Apparently there are some tea party activists that are trying to protest the cap and trade bill today in DC. They are calling for them over at TexasDarlin blogspot.

    I was watching O’Reilly last evening and had to laugh. He was talking about how mean the left was for completely enjoying another republicans (Sanford) marital woes. I have seen it all now, after what they have done to BC and Hillary, how can they sit there with a straight look on their faces and complain?? They all say infidelity should be a private matter. I guess so, especially if they are republicans. They get all indignant about it when the democrats pay them back, I mean the Hillary movie is still out there and in the supreme court and they talk about what’s fair. These people that are running our govt. and MSM are such children.

  185. Of course, the feeding frenzy and looting of their “public service” for profit goes on. The pigs (both R & D) in Congress rushed to make their buck on the legislation they were passing to screw over the taxpayer.

    We need a freaking revolution in this country.

    Members of U.S. House Financial Services Committee snapped up or dumped bank stocks as bottom fell out of market. Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus if you are a member of congress.
    As financial markets tumbled and the government worked to stave off panic by pumping billions of dollars into banks last fall, several members of Congress who oversee the banking industry were grabbing up or dumping bank stocks.

    Anticipating bargains or profits or just trying to unload before the bottom fell out, these members of the House Financial Services Committee or brokers on their behalf were buying and selling stocks including Bank of America and Citigroup — some of the very corporations their committee would later rap for greed, a Plain Dealer examination of congressional stock market transactions shows.

    Financial disclosure records show that some of these Financial Services Committee members, including Ohio Rep. Charlie Wilson, made bank stock trades on the same day the banks were getting a government bailout from a program Congress approved. The transactions may not have been illegal or against congressional rules, but securities attorneys and congressional watchdog groups say they raise flags about the appearance of conflicts of interest.”

    blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/06/members_of_us_house_financial.html

  186. confloyd Says:
    June 27th, 2009 at 11:17 am

    Turndown, I am a ct tech, believe me they order too many ct tests and they are way overpriced. I don’t know any ct techs playing video games. They order so many you can barely get them done and when your doing them the Dr’s are on the phone screaming at you to get another one done and that all his patients are more important than the one you are doing at that time.

    =============

    I beg your pardon. Perhaps the ER doctor who blogged that was misinformed. Or perhaps he was referring to the very late shift. He seemed to be describing a situation where both the machine and the tech were on standby in case of emergency coming in.

    In any case, can you tell us more about the tests being over-priced?

  187. confloyd,

    I found the quote.

    h…./ no w
    scalpelorsword.blogspot.com/2009/01/coo-coo-or-contra-coup.html

    How much does a CT scan cost the hospital anyway? Not much. We’re already open for business 24 hours a day. The scanner is warmed up and ready, and the CT tech is just surfing the internet. The Radiologist doesn’t mind reading them either. Cha-CHING!

    My search turned up these related links:
    h…/..w
    google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_en-USUS299US303&q=scapel+doctor+ER+scan+blog&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

  188. Of course these political and entertainer Men realize that these women are truly not the loves of their lives. Any sort of good looks, or physical charm at there age is pretty much past, and what is left is the Man’s POWER and MONEY. But then they just don’t care. Larry King keeps bring children into the world, and I guess Kerry does the same, with not much thought as to the impact having an older Dad has on the kid.

    I know one acquantance that lost his father at 5 (he was an accident late in life to his Mother and Dad). He never really got over that, and suffers from it today.

    So the Men want the SEX and the feeling of they still have it, and the Women want the POWER and the MONEY. Children are just some ways women like to embelish their alimony (that statement was probably pretty cruel).

    I sure wish we could find someone to run for office who did not think below the belt. Especially those who put themselves up as commuity pillars in morals etc, and then you find out they have NONE.

  189. Confloyd, I, too, watched Bill O last night and got quite a kick out of seeing him throw a hissy fit about those vile liberals dissing Gov Sanford. “It’s just pitful,” he and his bunch cry.

    I, also, remember a few years ago and to a regular extent today the gusto with which O’Reilly and his ilk went after Bill and HIllary Clinton. Nothing, absolutely, nothing was too private to delve into and it was very acceptable to even speculate and MAKE UP things that the Clintons supposedly said and did.

    I loved seeing ol’ creepy Bill O whine and carry on.

    As a friend of mine always said….it’s just according to who’s pitching or catching. Bill O is lousy catcher but an A-1 pitcher.

  190. Turndown, I figured your information was from an ER doctor that has no idea what its like to sit behind the Cat Scan Workstation. Its OK, I am used to being underappreciated at work.
    Most exams are pricey, the most ordered exams are head scan and abdomen/pelvis scans. Just about everyone who comes in nowadays with a migraine headache gets a CT scan of the brain, the age of the patient really has no bearing on it either. What most of us who uses ionizing radiation are concerned with is the amount given over and over for tests that are not needed. The ER is the worst about ordering Ct’s when good clinical evaluation and observation would be better. I have a problem with the ones they overorder on children. I would not let my kids get all that radiation as it affect the young alot.
    Prices are about what you said anywhere from 1500. to 3500. Of coarse the radiologist tacks on more charges for the reading. Usually about 3-500 depending on what it is he/she is reading.

  191. I also found a tidbit some of you might be interested in about the BUsh family. I found it at Cannonfire blog.h t tp :// w w w.cco. net/~trufax/ general /bush_family _paraguay_hideaway_ up.html

  192. Yep, that the truth. Now its looks like the poor are going to get poorer.

    Bush’s ranch in Paraguay is quiet interesting, it sits on a huge aquafier and is near a US military base in the region. Why would the Bushes want this ranch in a country that known for drug trafficing, sex trade and muslim terrorism??

  193. Have you see those videos of young people all over the world gathering and dancing to Thriller, like on the English Tube? Regardless of what you think about MJ (I think he had a sad and difficult life), you have to be amazed at these tributes. I think MJ is watching it up there smiling. He is free now, and they really like him.

  194. Henry:I too was there but it was in the mid thirties and Adolph was sending out his community organizers a la Chicago style.I stood on Arlington ave in Mt.Oliver and watched Fritz Kuhn the brown belt leader parading with his stupid cult members,carrying Old Glory,right arms held high in salute to their leader and chanting “Sieg Heil” “Sieg Heil”.I was young(20) but I knew it was wrong.Too bad that 73 years later our young people are not listening or caring and MJ,Hip Hop and Telebama are their idols and their country is being raped and destroyed by an even greater threat.Barack Hussein Obama.

    By ABM90 History does repeat itself.

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