ABC, 123, Do, Re, Mi, Obama Lies To You And Me

Update II: L.A. Times confirms the death of Michael Jackson.

Update: The video below is from when Michael Jackson sang with his brothers as the Jackson 5. There are reports at the moment (approximately 5:00 p.m. Eastern Time) that Michael Jackson has died. We will keep the video up but we mean no disrespect in any way to Michael Jackson, his family or his friends and fans.

Hillary supporters like us are, and have always been, the strongest supporters of universal health care. But do we trust Obama? NO. Obama can’t be trusted.

It appears that, according to a new poll, many Americans, most Americans, agree with us that the Obama “incessant”, grandiloquent”, lies on health care are not to be believed.

For all the Obama flowery words (which he will bore Americans with all day today and tonight on ABC) Americans do not believe that flim-flam man Obama will do what he says he will do.

A majority of Americans see government action as critical to controlling runaway health-care costs, but there is broad public anxiety about the potential impact of reform legislation and conflicting views about the types of fixes being proposed on Capitol Hill, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

It’s an ABC News poll so expect it to be the highlight of ABC kissy “questions” at tonight’s publicity stunt (the publicity stunt will be on ABC at 10:00 p.m. Eastern Time, opposite CSI: New York on CBS). We expect that all day today Obama’s TelePrompters have been cued with answers to the many questions the poll raises about trust in what Obama says.

Most respondents are “very concerned” that health-care reform would lead to higher costs, lower quality, fewer choices, a bigger deficit, diminished insurance coverage and more government bureaucracy. About six in 10 are at least somewhat worried about all of these factors, underscoring the challenges for lawmakers as they attempt to restructure the nation’s $2.3 trillion health-care system.

Such shocking poll results are difficult to find, almost buried, in the Washington Post today even though they are partners with ABC News and if it were a positive poll for Obama it would be front page, full page news.

The numbers are staggering:

Are you concerned that Health Care reform would reduce quality: 81% say yes (18% say no).
Are you concerned that Health Care reform would increase costs: 84% say yes (16% say no).
Are you concerned that Health Care reform would limit doctor choice: 79% say yes (20% say no).
Are you concerned that Health Care reform would increase federal deficit: 84% say yes (14% say no).

Shocking numbers which mean that unlike trustworthy Hillary Clinton on health care Americans know:

Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

These shocking numbers demonstrate that Obama’s flowery words are not trusted by Americans. The more assurances from Obama, the less belief in the thus far nonexistent health care “plan” (which we will critique as soon as there is a “plan”):

Part of the reason so many are nervous about future changes is a fear they may lose what they currently have. More than eight in 10 said they are satisfied with the quality of care they now receive and relatively content with their own current expenses, and worry about future rising costs cuts across party lines and is amplified in the weak economy.

The poll results were buried in the Washington Post. We expect ABC News will discuss these polls results with Obama at tonight’s publicity stunt but we won’t be surprised if they refuse to disturb the pillow comforted Obama.

Obama on fluffed Big Media pillows is no longer a shock to anyone. Yesterday, at the press conference publicity stunt, the merger of Big Media and the Obama publicity flacks was apparent to all and applauded by the hypocrite Dimocrat Left:

But yesterday’s daytime drama belonged primarily to Pitney, of the Huffington Post Web site. During the eight years of the Bush administration, liberal outlets such as the Huffington Post often accused the White House of planting questioners in news conferences to ask preplanned questions. But here was Obama fielding a preplanned question asked by a planted questioner — from the Huffington Post.

Pitney said the White House, though not aware of the question’s wording, asked him to come up with a question about Iran proposed by an Iranian. And, as it turned out, he was not the only prearranged questioner at yesterday’s show. Later, Obama passed over the usual suspects to call on Macarena Vidal of the Spanish-language EFE news agency. The White House called Vidal in advance to see whether she was coming and arranged for her to sit in a seat usually assigned to a financial trade publication. She asked about Chile and Colombia.

A couple of more questions and Obama called it a day. “Mr. President!” yelled Mike Allen of Politico. “May I ask about Afghanistan? No questions about Iraq or Afghanistan?”

Sorry: Those weren’t prearranged.

A few Americans will bother to tune in to the ABC News Obama show tonight. Will ABC ask the 1, 2, 3, questions? Will ABC ask anything but prearranged, easy to deflect, questions?

Or, will the ABC News operation become yet another Oprah Obama lovefest sale of lies?


240 thoughts on “ABC, 123, Do, Re, Mi, Obama Lies To You And Me

  1. Admin,

    Thank God for sites like Hillary Is 44, few as they may be. With a media blackout the likes I have never seen, with the exception being Russia’s controlled media, the truth just doesn’t exist anymore.

    Your articles are a blessing to me.

  2. I am amoung those that does not want their health benefits to go down. In fact, I want the same as the Reps and Senators have. If you can fund out the failing Auto industry, you can give me the same as you have for heath coverage. You don’t even have to pay me a bonus.

    I am with the majority of American, i believe nothing of what he says. The only difference is I never did.

  3. A cross section of Los Angeles’ Iranian American activist community were joined at the Simon Wiesenthal Center Museum of Tolerance by Christian and Jewish leaders in a show of solidarity with the people of Iran. The activists, academics and analysts discussed the current situation in Tehran and other Iranian cities and the ways in which the international community should respond. The event, moderated by Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Wiesenthal Center, brought a wide range of opinions from “regime change” to careful, deliberative diplomacy.

    Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder and dean of the Wiesenthal Center opened by asking, “Why are the lights out at the United Nations?”

    “An election, in the minds of millions of people in Iran, has been stolen. And the question is, ‘What is the world going to do about it?’ Is there an electricity strike at the United Nations that the lights went out and they can’t act?” he added.

    Hier pointed out that the UN can put together a resolution condemning Israel in less than 12 hours, but so far not one member country of the UN Security Council has come forward to call an emergency session about the flawed election. To demonstrate to protesters throughout Iran that there is strong international commitment to punish their government’s violence with swift sanctions, leaders have to offer more than careful statements. “What is required is a meaningful response in terms of actions,” said Hier. But instead, he concluded, “What we have is total silence.”

    Among the speakers were: Mr. Roozbeh Farahani, the Secretary General of Marz-e-porgohar (Iranians for a Secular Republic); Professor Hamid Arabzadeh from the University of California, Irvine; Mr. Faryar Nikbakht, a victim of torture in the early days of the Islamic Revolution who now directs the Committee for Religious Minority Rights in Iran, here in Los Angeles; Mohammad Amini, a noted political analyst and the son of Nosratollah Amini, the former Mayor of Tehran and confidant of the deposed Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh; and Roxanna Ganji, political activist and advocate for the rights of women in Iran. They were joined by Randolph Dobbs, Secretary of The Spiritual Assembly of the Baha’is of Los Angeles who spoke out for Baha’is who are brutally repressed in Iran and Reverend Walter Contreras, the cofounder of La Red, which represents over a thousand Latino evangelical churches in Southern California.


    May I suggest that “the lights will be out” for as long as obama is in the spotlight?

  4. OK you technogecks, someone needs to explain to me the difference between what we do on this site, and twittering. I was in a doctors office today, and I read a Time magazines (yes they are still publishing them), about twittering. The only difference I can see is they might limit the amount of text. But the way it described it, it is a conversation in real time on subject of interest. We do that here, especially when we are watching results from the election or someone is monitoring a speech. So it it the limiting the the narrative the only difference?

    Someone take pity on me.

  5. rgb44hrc Says:

    June 24th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    A Weak American President


    Excellent article!

  6. The lights were out in the UN and in this country when we had the primaries, and the convention. Unfortunately, in my life time, I have not seen the UN do much.

  7. The Obama/Baucus “Health Reform” needs to go down in flames……./
    “Baucus says the tax-free benefit packages Americans now enjoy are a big factor in the high costs of the country’s health care system, because they provide workers free or low-cost access to too many health care services.”
    The facts are:

    * First – Approximately 60% of the U.S. population is covered by employer-based health insurance, the target of those assumptions [2].
    * Second, just who are these employees and what type of affluence are they living in? Looking at three major blue collar sectors, Manufacturing, Construction, and Service industries you’ll find that the median salaries in those sectors are: $34,569.00 per year, $38,230.00 per year, and $17,929.00 per year, respectively.
    * Third – Now, compare that to the 2009 poverty level for a family of 4, which is $22,050.

    Therefore, the median wages of these three sectors are less than 200% of the poverty level (an economic trigger of eligibility for SCHIP). One of the groups, the service industry, is actually below the poverty level.

    Yep…these are clearly a bunch of greedy, affluent pigs.

    Next, what about the assertion that these workers are enjoying “luxurious” health benefits? Just what kind of healthcare benefits do these “affluent” blue collar workers enjoy?

    * In 2005, 91% of employees contributed to the cost of their health insurance premiums [1].
    * In 2007, the average employee contribution for their share of the cost of healthcare premiums for a family plan was about 28% of the yearly cost, or $3281.00 [3].
    * Add to this the average out-of-pocket deductible for a family plan in 2008 which was $$2,367/year for small firms and $948 / year for larger firms for the most prevalent plan configuration, the PPO plan [4], costs for prescription, dental, and vision coverage or services, and the additional out-of-pocket co-insurance costs when seeking medical attention that 95% had to pay [5] and you’re talking about a hefty chunk-o-change.
    * Not including the dental, vision, prescription, and co-insurance costs, the average out-of-pocket costs for a family of four was almost $5600.00. For those workers in the service sector mentioned previously, that’s about 30% of their total income. Removing the tax exemption would increase that amount by about $3,000.00 for a family plan (based on the average family plan cost of 12,973 [6]) or about 50% of their income.

  8. By the way that article in Time talked about the large migration of where people are getting their information (blogging and Twittering). They like it real time. They discussed a medical conference in which they set up a twitter site, and they were flashing the banter on screen. At first it was onloy participants, and then people on line found them, and joined in on the conference.

    I assume that these site have ads. So business are having there ads flashed real time, and they don’t have to wait until a newspaper is published or a news program is on.

    Speaking of breaking news. Now we know where the Republican Gov of SC was, and he was not alone. Yes, an affair. I will never forget how the Republican party went after Bill, when all the while they cound not keep their zippers up either.

    All politicians are such hipocrits.

  9. Hi all

    I have been missing in action, but not from reading this site.

    Just wanted to speak on Health Care. I know some people that refuse to get off of welfare. They know they can get health care free of charge.

    I also know two young ladies that are on section eight. The goverment pays there rent. They are single, able bodied young women. There is nothing wrong with them. No children. They don’t work. They are getting free health care.

    What is wrong with this picture.

    They know how to beat the system

  10. Let me ask this question of everyone. They had a guy on CNN or Fox (can’t remember which one) that had researched what would happen if we got a govt run healthcare plan. THe results were that 119 million would lose their private insurance is what the republican ad states and is what the guy said he found out. But what the republicans aren’t telling us is that 119 million wouldn’t lose their insurance, they would simply op out because of the cost savings. Its quiet a different meaning when all the facts are shown.
    My question is if govt. run healthcare is so bad, why would 119million people decide to go with the govt run one instead of the private one?
    The premiums would be cheap and people would rather save money than have private insurance.

  11. Oh, darn…I have to watch ‘So You Think You Can Dance’ at that time…I will have to miss it and just catch the condensed recaps…gee whiz!

  12. confloyd,

    Are we sure that all 119 million will opt out? Will the government-run plan have as many benefits and services as the private ones?

    I can see some retaining some form of private health plan to get the extra perks/faster service/extra benefit coverage. At least that is what happened in Canada.

  13. The premiums would be cheap and people would rather save money than have private insurance.
    Every proposal that I have seen for a Single payer system doesn’t exclude private insurance. It’s no different than Medicare + a Private insurance option. UHC run by Insurance companies can’t be funded, there isn’t enough money even if the economy was booming. A recent estimate that I read was that the overhead cost generated by the need to process incompatible forms from multiple insurance companies costs $400 billion. The Obama reform will cost at least another $ 1 trillion over ten years. The insurance companies will take a average of 35% of that money off the top.

  14. JanH, Thats what this study revealed. The insurance companies are sweating being able to stay in business against the fed. Well my suggestion would be to act like they used to care if the patient got treatment.
    Each and every time I go in the er for back pain, the insurance companies hold up payment to the hospital until I fill out a form. This form is a way of being able to not pay the benefits. This is what they do, they try not to pay. They all do it. Maybe they need to be more competative.
    I would always go with the cheaper one because my take home pay would be larger in the long run.

  15. confloyd,

    I understand completely. We have “universal” healthcare in Canada. It just doesn’t cover everything. In good times it covers more. In bad times like now, certain benefits/services get withdrawn and because of that it is sometimes necessary to pay for extra and/or get an additional or partial private healthcare plan.

  16. Oh, is Canada’s like Germany’s or Great Britain?? I always heard Canada’s was the worst of all of them.

  17. We used to have a very good healthcare system but it is bursting at the seams now. Not enough doctors, not enough nurses, less coverage.

    Overall though, we are covered for quite a lot of meds and services. The biggest problem is the waiting list for many important surgeries. It just gets worse and worse.

  18. Jan-it is reasonable to assume that Hillary wanted Obama to go to the United Nations and seek a resolutio condemning Iran and he refused to do so. I have no inside information, but I think you can safely proceed on that assumption. If he had been willing to exercise that kind of initiative, Russia may have blocked a Security Counsel from acting, but they would have been standing alone in protecting these butchers. And unlike now, America would be standing on the side of the angels rather than on the side of the thugs. Obamas letter to the Supreme Leader saying why can’t we just get along is getting wide circulation.

  19. I refuse to watch this propaganda tonight. ABC has no business being a schill for any party’s political agenda.

  20. wbboei,

    I agree. Hillary would have stood up for those poor people. She would not have procrastinated like obama is.

  21. SHV Says:

    June 24th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    Good article
    confloyd Says:

    June 24th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
    I want the healthcare system that Hillary promised during her campaign.

    Me too

  22. Found @ Bitterpolitiz

    I hate this man. To think I actually voted for him…ICK!!!!. They think if they can keep
    making Palin a joke they will marginalize her.

    Sen. Kerry jokes: ‘Too bad’ Gov. Sarah Palin didn’t go missing
    By Rachelle Cohen
    Wednesday, June 24, 2009 – Updated 3h ago

    E-mail Print (69) Comments Text size Share Buzz up!WASHINGTON – U.S. Sen. John Kerry must have been channeling his inner Letterman yesterday.

    The Bay State senator was telling a group of business and civic leaders in town at his invitation about the “bizarre’’ tale of how South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford had “disappeared for four days’’ and claimed to be hiking along the Appalachian Trail, but no one was really certain of his whereabouts.

    “Too bad,’’ Kerry said, “if a governor had to go missing it couldn’t have been the governor of Alaska. You know, Sarah Palin.’’

    The Democratic-centric crowd laughed.

    Of course, Kerry couldn’t know that 24-hours later the Sanford story would get even stranger when the Republican governor confessed he had actually been in Argentina over Father’s Day weekend – a long, long way from the Appalachian Trail – and with his paramour, no less.

    So if Palin is keeping count of potential GOP presidential rivals, well, another one just bit the dust.

    Kerry and David Letterman will just have to cope with that.

  23. Kerry, John F. – (D – MA) Class II
    (202) 224-2742

    Call the creep

  24. No self respecting women would laugh at a joke like that, but yet they did. So what does that tell you about the Democratic women. In my estimations these women are really a joke. If you don’t respect yourself and the group you came out of, you really are disloyal.

  25. Key Iranian Dissident Riled at Obama’s Approach

    Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:13 PM

    By: Kenneth R. Timmerman Article Font Size

    A key Iranian dissident tells Newsmax he was stunned when he heard President Barack Obama tell reporters that, despite government’s brutal crackdown in Tehran, the Islamic Republic has time to regain “legitimacy” in the eyes of the Iranian people.

    “I was hoping President Obama would lead the world and start a boycott of Iranian oil,” said former presidential candidate and opposition activist Mohsen Sazegara. “This is the best way to save the lives of the Iranian people.”

    Instead, Sazegara told Newsmax, he listened to Obama’s news conference on Tuesday with a sense of disbelief.

    It’s “not too late for the Iranian government to see there is a peaceful path that leads to legitimacy in the eyes of the Iranian people,” Obama told reporters when asked for his reaction to the violence in Iran.

    Sazegara, who was involved in the reform movement in the 1990s but eventually left Iran after the reformist government jailed him, said he listened to Obama with a sense of “deep, deep, deep regret. I never expected President Obama to say something like that.”

    “I had been expecting Obama to say we promise the people of Iran we won’t deal or negotiate with any government that does not represent the majority of the people in Iran. I had expected him to be very clear.”

    For two years, Sazegara has had a weekly televised commentary on the Persian Service of Voice of America, which VOA polling shows is the most widely respected and listened to segment in its lineup.

    When reports began to emerge from Iran of massive demonstrations 10 days ago, Sazegara began getting 1,400 e-mails a day from inside Iran, begging him to appear more regularly to comment on events.

    “I was a window into Iran from the outside,” he said. With the crackdown on protest leaders — about 800 of Sazegara’s friends and former colleagues are now in jail — the Voice of America was a key conduit for getting information from inside Iran to the West, and vice versa.

    Sazegara went to VOA editor Alex Belida, who initially agreed to put him on air. But after consulting with a Persian-speaking deputy, Belida called him back to say no.

    The de facto banning of Sazegara from the VOA airwaves is not the first time Persian-speaking editors at VOA have attempted to suppress information that might be embarrassing to the hard-line government in Tehran.

    On Saturday, for example, sources in Iran emailed VOA and Sazegara dramatic video footage that showed the brutal cold-blooded murder of a young Iranian woman in Tehran.

    The deputy editor of the Farsi service, Ali Sajadi, refused to air it, saying it was too graphic.

    But when overseas media, including the BBC’s Farsi service, aired the footage, Sajadi allowed broadcasters to show a short segment of the footage, which has now become famous around the world.

    During Obama’s news conference today, he described the slaying of the young woman, Neda Soltani, as “a problem.”

    And last week, when top aides to presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi received a standing ovation from the European Parliament in Strasbourg, VOA refused to give the event coverage on its broadcasts into Iran.

    Protesters in Tehran have begun holding up signs in English, asking the United States to increase sanctions on the Iranian regime and to condemn the Islamic Republic.

    “Obama claims to be like President Lincoln,” Sazegara said. “Then he should uphold the principles of Lincoln.”

    Instead, during his news conference, the president reiterated his fears that the U.S. would become a “tool” in the hands of the regime, who would blame the CIA for orchestrating the demonstrations, Sazegara said.

    “But that is already happening,” Sazegara said. “Keyhan daily, which is the organ of the leader, ran a huge front page story recently saying that the U.S. had allocated a $400 million budget to support riots in Iran. And I’ve been receiving reports from inside Iran that the regime is planning to stage televised confessions of people they have tortured with hot irons in prison to get them to say they’ve been paid by the United States.”

    Sazegara told Newsmax he plans to write an open letter to Congress that it appears to be the “policy of President of Obama” to prevent Voice of America from airing broadcasters who are close to the pro-democracy protesters inside Iran.

    Two months ago, Sazegara spoke with State Department Iran desk officers and urged them to focus more closely on Iranian human rights abuses and to support European efforts to monitor the presidential election to ensure that it was fair.

    “They told me that was the policy of Bush, and that they were going for engagement first, and would only talk about human rights and freedom later,” Sazegara said.

    Sazegara, who was tortured during long months in Iranian prisons in the late 1990s, warned the State Department that it was making “a bigger mistake than during the 1953 coup.”

    “Now the Iranian people love you,” he said. “But if you make this kind of mistake, that could turn to hatred.”

  26. JanH, all the nurses came to america to work. I’ve work with many of them. They said there was no work in Canada for them. What happened. The money was here.
    You should hear some of the republican bs being here in East Texas. Its amazing.
    My brother in law is from Germany, he said medical care there is fine. His brother has had both knees replaced, and it even covers dental.

  27. confloyd,

    I remember the exodus of nurses and doctors. The provincial governments weren’t willing to pay as much as the U.S. at the time coupled with hospitals downsizing much needed staff.

    And now the cry is out that we need more nurses and doctors again.

  28. I imagine the US took clear advantage stealing the nurses and the doctors, but if we go universal healthcare there will be no draw for people to come here to just make more money. Like I said we need to take capitalism out of medicine.
    I have worked with so many that could care less about their patients, it would shock the average person. Health occupations isn’t noble professions anymore. Many would not work in medicine if it did not pay so much. These are the ones that don’t touch their patients and do as little as possible for the patient.
    I have seen horror stories you wouldn’t believe here in what the republicans say is wonderful care. Bah!! Its not!! Its all about the money.
    The poor people right now get poor care and have to wait for some things now. The rich will and always have been able to get what they want. The hospitals call it VIP care. St Lukes even has VIP floor with guards, its own chef, silver service and huge rooms with all the comforts of home. The rest of the patients are badgered for the money while they are in their sick beds. I know this because my own daughter had a baby at St Lukes and while she was in heavy labor, they came in here room and badgered for payment while she was in LABOR. What is so good about that kind of care!!

  29. I agree. Hillary would have stood up for those poor people. She would not have procrastinated like obama is.
    Procastination is bad. But what he did was worse. If you connect the letter he sent to the supreme leader wanting to engage, to the false moral equivalency he drew between the status quo and the opposition, to his continued insistence that this is an internal matter, to his refusal to speak out for the pro democracy group as any American President would do, to his refusal to go the the UN as others suggested, a case could be made that he betrayed the concept of democracy, sided with a brutal government and placed himself and our country on the wrong side of history, thereby forfeiting his prior claim to world leadership. The world will not follow the advice or the leadership of a proven coward and that is what this episode has demonstrated. Any excuse he and his supporters might make at this point is utterly superfulous.

  30. The very same cowardice is on display now in his failure to interdict the North Korean vessel. Cowardice. It is no different from the pirate episode. The navy had to force the issue or he never would have acted. Obama is a coward. And our enemies smell it. Every predetory can smell fear in its prey, and it begets the instinct to attack. Always.

  31. Confloyd,

    Sorry to hear of your run In’s with less than noble health professionals, but being a heath professional I can tell you that the nurses and Dr.’s I work with are by and large EXTREMELY professional and caring. Working with sick people is an extremely difficult job for many reasons…we are consistently short staffed, UNDERPAID, threats of lawsuits, and under damaging pressure with critically ill patients, paper work and short sided administrations.

    The indigent @ my hospital get as good as care as the wealthy, but as in all things, the wealthy can afford more.

    As far as Canadians being “stolen” from Canada to work in the health care industry, well, that is their right to make a better living and live where they choose IMHO.

    Heath care is no walk in the park. I can not tell you how many 8 hour shifts have turned into 10 or 12 hours without even a 10 minute break. So no offense, but I take offense @ your remarks.

  32. JanH and Wbboei, there is an interesting article written by Shtuey on TexasDarlin blog. It discusses the real issues in Iran. Its very good and Shtuey used to blog here some a while back!

  33. U.S. Takes Back July 4 Invitations to Iranians

    No RSVPs from Iranian diplomats offered a chance to party down on July 4th with U.S. officials at embassies around the world means no more invitations.

    Wednesday, June 24, 2009

    The White House announced Wednesday that it has rescinded the invitations made to Iranian diplomats who may want to barbecue and watch fireworks to celebrate Independence Day.

    “As you all know many weeks ago the administration extended an invitation to celebrate the freedom that this country enjoys. not surprisingly based on what we see in Tehran, no one has RSVP’d,” said White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs.

    “Understand that July 4th allows us to celebrate the freedom and liberty that we enjoy. I don’t think it’s surprising that no one has signed up to come given the events of the last few days. Those invitations will be no longer extended.

    The Iranian government’s crackdown on protesters has raised questions about the propriety of opening U.S. doors to Iranians government officials.

    President Obama on Tuesday linked the attendance of Iranian diplomats to the potential for warming between the two nations. The United States and Iran don’t have formal diplomatic relations but Obama said that it’s up to the Iranian diplomats to decide whether to use an invitation to attend embassy festivities as an opening.

    “I think that we have said that if Iran chooses a path that abides by international norms and principles, then we are interested in healing some of the wounds of 30 years in terms of U.S.-Iranian relations. But that is a choice that the Iranians are going to have to make,” Obama said during a press conference in the White House briefing room.

    Late last month, the State Department first encouraged officials at all U.S. embassies and consulates to ask their Iranian counterparts to attend the July 4 parties, which generally feature speeches about American values, fireworks, hot dogs and hamburgers. The notice said that the posts “may invite representatives from the government of Iran” to the events.

    As of Monday, State Department spokesman Ian Kelley said the invite would stand. Kelly said that no one is going to take back offers for Iranian officials to join the festivities, even as the Islamic Republic’s leaders threaten violence against protesters at home demonstrating against allegedly fraudulent presidential election results.

  34. As far as Canadians being “stolen” from Canada to work in the health care industry, well, that is their right to make a better living and live where they choose IMHO.


    Never said they didn’t. Our loss is the U.S.’s gain.

  35. gonzotex, I am also a healthcare worker and have been one for 20 years, but I don’t look at it thru rose colored glasses. I am not a nurse so I get around all of the hospital and can see many problems. I am sorry you took offense, but maybe you haven’t worked in the places I have worked. I never said it wasn’t hard work. I work very hard as a CT/xray tech., so I do know what goes on. Nurses seem to think in only in their realm at the hospital, many more things happen there other than what Dr. and Nurses do. I have worked at trauma hospitals and I can tell there are many there working for the money only.
    As you said at your hospital the indigent get just as good as care as the rich. I beg to differ, do they get all the tests they need?? I bet they don’t. Does the doctor spend as much time with them as he does with the richer ones??? I am sure the nurses are doing their jobs, but there some that don’t.

  36. The White House announced Wednesday that it has rescinded the invitations made to Iranian diplomats who may want to barbecue and watch fireworks to celebrate Independence Day.
    Finally, Obama has seized the initiative, gone nose to nose and toes to toes with the Supreme Leader and told him in no uncertain terms: no barbacue for you–your highness. But when we get through with that fourth of july nonsense, jeff immelt (General Electric) and I would like to meet you on the QT, and talk about how ge and westinghouse could provide additional help on your nuclear program. Meanwhile I will continue to run interference for you on that matter. I have got most of the people over here bamboozled and the remainder do not matter.

  37. jan

    confloyd Says:

    June 24th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
    I imagine the US took clear advantage stealing the nurses and the doctors, but if we go universal healthcare there will be no draw for people to come here to just make more money.

  38. wwoebi,

    I can’t believe how ludicroushis decision making on Iraq has been. I had to post that article because it just seemed so stupid to me.

  39. gonzotx Says:

    June 24th, 2009 at 11:58 pm


    LOL…maybe “steal” is too strong. I remember U.S. recruiters swooping in and idiot hospitals deciding that keeping management was more important.

  40. Confloyd

    I have been a nurse for 30 years and have worked in numerous hospitals and held countless positions. If you are not a nurse, as you are not, I do not think you can speak to the profession nor as hard as we work. I am proud of the work I do, and proud to work with the people i work with, all professionals and Angels in their own way.

    As far as tests go, I dare say most of our indigent get more testing then I could EVER afford with my deductable! Nothing is left unturned. I work for the Sister’s of Charity and they very much are held to their word and mission.

    We all pull our own weight by the way….

  41. Gonzotex, So now your saying that ct/xray tech in trama centers don’t work as hard as nurses, I beg your pardon, we most certainly do! You nurses work together for lifting and such. I can tell we are left there to do it by ourselves many times. We work just as hard as nurses do, but I can see that you feel nurses are the most important part of the healthcare team. I can tell you that next time you have a patient thats had a stroke try giving him heparin without a cat scan first and see what happens to you!! You can’t take care of your patients and prescribe the right treatment many time without us. Unfortunately we are not always appreciated in our field as you have just shown me.
    I was not speaking as about nurses not doing their jobs, there are many other people in a hospital besides nurses and doctors.

  42. I have heard a many mission statement, but I will say the ones that have been said in Christian organization are often kept for the most part. I have worked for HCA, there mission and their statement is total B.S., its all about money.

  43. Time for bed but first, some comments on tonight’s info-commercial from Ace….

    Mr. President, there is no doubt, if there is a public option I will cancel all insurance for my employees. Can you tell me what business wouldn’t unload this cost to the government if given the chance?”

    I also want only affirmative action physicians in the ER,

    and only affirmative action pilots flying my 747…riiiight

    Best Line and Lie of the Night:

    lol @ “eliminating bureaucracy” with a government health care system

    Can you say oxymoron?
    How about eliminating bullshit jobs at hospitals such as the one held by your wife?

    they still havent said shit about the “public” option (i.e. government run health care) destroying private health insurance companies.

    and it is a travesty ABC refused to allow any viewpoitn opposing Obama in either ads or on the show.


    “let me thank the AMA” what a cockholster

    “if you are happy with you plan or your doctor, we dont want you to have eto change. in fact, inaction causes danger – losign health care (LIE!!!!). If you are happy with your plan/doc, you stick with it. if you dont have insurance, or too much for you to afford, then we will have an ‘exchange’ for people to compare options with different ‘doc networks'”

    “docs dont work for govt”

    “in terms of how docs reimbursed, same system as now EXCEPT some changes to reward quality of outcomes instead of number of procedures”

    “same for hospitals” “reduce readmission rates and “every study shows” it works.

    Oh good, here comes the Euthanasia!!!

  44. confloyd Says:

    June 25th, 2009 at 12:14 am

    Your projecting and your obvious insecurity is showing…now goodnight!

  45. wbboei, have you heard that Obama normalized relations today with Venezuela and Syria and will be sending the diplomats back??
    Hugo Chavez, a friend of the US, OMG, after him calling our past President the devil?? I am not a Bush fan, but he was a sitting US President and did not deserve that.
    Code Pink has always been in bed with the Chavez regime!

  46. I can’t believe how ludicroushis decision making on Iraq has been. I had to post that article because it just seemed so stupid to me.
    Jan–I commend you on posting it. I have the same reaction you did. The article posted on the last thread, i.e. the weak american president states both my view and presumably yours as well. I write polemics to make a point. I realize there are risks in acting just as there are risks in not acting. But if you do act for a righteous cause, and your actions are appropriate to the occasion then that is the most you can do. If you shrink from the challenge as Obama routinely does, and refuse to lead for fear it may create a political problem then I say no good can come from it. The world is seeing who he is and who he is not. They are also saying that so much of what he says is in fact just words. Meaningless hot air with nothing to back it up. The antithesis of bold leadership. When the Iranian government is murdering people in the streets and the boldest reaction he can muster in response is an innocuous social snub, we have entered the theatre of the absurd. Hillary will have to decide for herself how much of this nonsense she can stand. I think her love of country is what sustains her, but it cannot be easy to see the opportunities missed because he lacks the capacity she has for bold decisive leadership in critical times.

  47. Well, it doesn’t surprise me people who have never worked an emergency room don’t see what really goes on there.

    The medical association is just like the bankers protecting their paychecks, especially the ones here in republican Texas.

    I was in the emergency room for chest pain the other night, guess how many times I had my vital signs checks?? It was when I got there and when I leftand I was there for almost 4 hours. Did I get a aspirin within 30 minutes of my arrival, NO! Did I get all the tests required usingchest pain protocol , you betcha!, thats money for the hospital! Was I checked on during the whole 3- 4hours that I was there, NO! Is the treatment I got in accordance with JCAH, HELL NO!! This is medicine in America!!! If I had been the mayor, another doctor or the president of the garden club would I have gotten that same
    treatment?? HELL NO!! I rest my case!!!

  48. wbboei, have you heard that Obama normalized relations today with Venezuela and Syria and will be sending the diplomats back??
    Hugo Chavez, a friend of the US, OMG, after him calling our past President the devil?? I am not a Bush fan, but he was a sitting US President and did not deserve that.
    Code Pink has always been in bed with the Chavez regime!
    I knew that was coming. Do you think this will dissuade Chavez from supporting the corrupt regime in Iran, or from siding with the coalition seeking to tank the US dollar. Chavez is a left wing dictator, and he is not popular in his country. Will the renewal of diplomatic relations discourage the people in his country who want change. What do we gain in this gratuitous act? Other than the opportunity to bug their embassy.

  49. We don’t gain a thing. It just make most of wonder WTF is wrong with POTUS.
    I know that the evil regimes must of been where Bambi got all of his money for the campaign, bc its payback time now.
    I just read over at RBO that the crack down today in Iran was thorough and total. It is disgusting and I hadn’t heard the women were asking for Hillary, had you??

  50. More on our Insurance Company controlled health care.
    “Health Insurance Insider: ‘They Dump the Sick’

    Retired Health Insurance Executive Blows the Whistle on His Former Industry”

    In California, Health Insurances Companies would keep an internal file on patients that listed errors on the patient’s insurance forms. The policy holder wasn’t told about the “errors”. Nothing was done until the policy holder started costing the company money, then the “errors” were used to deny payment and revoke the policy. An woman that I know in CA was diagnosed and treated for breast Cancer. A few years later she had a recurrence and required additional surgery and chemo. The insurance company dropped her saying that she had committed fraud with her policy. The fraud?? On her insurance application she hadn’t listed a medication for which she had received a prescription five years before. She didn’t list it because it was an error and she had never had it filled. The last that I have heard was that she and her husband were stuck with 100s of thousands of med. bills; then her husband had heart problems and required surgery then they pulled all equity out of their home, husband now out of work, losing home, bankruptcy..on and on. Not an atypical story.

  51. More on our Insurance Company controlled health care.
    “Health Insurance Insider: ‘They Dump the Sick’

    Retired Health Insurance Executive Blows the Whistle on His Former Industry”


    In California, Health Insurances Companies would keep an internal file on patients that listed errors on the patient’s insurance forms. The policy holder wasn’t told about the “errors”. Nothing was done until the policy holder started costing the company money, then the “errors” were used to deny payment and revoke the policy. An woman that I know in CA was diagnosed and treated for breast Cancer. A few years later she had a recurrence and required additional surgery and chemo. The insurance company dropped her saying that she had committed fraud with her policy. The fraud?? On her insurance application she hadn’t listed a medication for which she had received a prescription five years before. She didn’t list it because it was an error and she had never had it filled. The last that I have heard was that she and her husband were stuck with 100s of thousands of med. bills; then her husband had heart problems and required surgery then they pulled all equity out of their home, husband now out of work, losing home, bankruptcy..on and on. Not an atypical story.

  52. SHV, the way you hear the politicians and the healthcare industry talk in the last couple of week is that we have great healthcare here.
    Your post is a prime example of what happens, as far as I am concerned I don’t care if the insurance companies go out of business or have to go down on their prices they deserve what they get.

  53. wbboei, did you catch in press conference today by WH press guy Gibbs?? THe press was grilling him about the planted question by the WH of an Iranian protester. They even mentioned that during the primary the Obama campaign went nuts on Hillary Clinton when she supposedly planted questions. Gibbs side stepped that so fast, OMG, you should have seen the look on his face.
    This Gibbs guy he just irritates the hell out of me! I think people are starting to add up what he did to Hillary during the campaign and putting it to some of his BS now he propagating. I think the press will soon turn on him, at least some of them.

  54. wbboei, did you catch in press conference today by WH press guy Gibbs?? THe press was grilling him about the planted question by the WH of an Iranian protester. They even mentioned that during the primary the Obama campaign went nuts on Hillary Clinton when she supposedly planted questions. Gibbs side stepped that so fast, OMG, you should have seen the look on his face.
    This Gibbs guy he just irritates the hell out of me! I think people are starting to add up what he did to Hillary during the campaign and putting it to some of his BS now he propagating. I think the press will soon turn on him, at least some of them.
    Confloyd: the primary seems a million years ago. Apparently it has taken them that long to wake up. The answer is the market for Obama speeches is declining. It will be interesting to see how many viewers actually how many tuned in. There should be most of the country since the issue of health care affects everyone. If the turnout is less than peak then there is trouble in paradise. That is there would be trouble if the other party got its act together.

  55. Gibbs does a great immitation of Porkie Pig in these Press Conferences. If they had any depth on their bench he would get the hook.

  56. For one brief shining moment Tapper acted like a jouranlist, and asked a constructive question of bambi. I know. I know. It isn’t easy for those prescious wouldnt say shit about him if they had a mouthfull butboys and butgirls of the Washinton Press Corps to show any spine. If they inadvertently did so, they could suffer a fate worse than death.
    Surely they know by now, the man takes no prisoners. Just look at what he did to those poor Iranian diplomats. He disinvited them to the Fourth of July barbeque, for the petty crime of representing a regime engaged in genocide. If he would do that to them he would not hesitate to pull a similar social snub on a jouranlist who deigned to do his or her job and ask bambi an inconvenient question. Perish the thought.

  57. Wanna bet this is linked to Obama’s “ex-gay” friends movement like McKlurkin.

    Shocking footage of church elders carrying out a exorcism to cast a ‘homosexual demon’ from a teenage boy have been posted online.

    The video shows the 16-year-old lying on the floor, his body convulsing, while members of a small Connecticut church stand over him.

    ‘Rip it from his throat!’ a woman yells. ‘Come on, you homosexual demon! You homosexual spirit, we call you out right now! Loose your grip, Lucifer!’

    Robin McHaelin, executive director of True Colors, said her organisation is aware of five cases in recent years in which youths in her program were threatened with exorcism.

    In one case, she said, a child called to report that his carer had called a priest who was throwing holy water on his bedroom door.

    ‘I think it’s horrifying,’ McHaelin said of the video by Manifested Glory.

    ‘What saddens me is the people that are doing this think they are doing something in the kid’s best interests, when in fact they’re murdering his spirit.’

    McHaelin said she planned to report the situation to the Connecticut Department of Children and Families.

    An agency spokesman said the agency does not comment on complaints or investigations.

    Rev McKinney said the youth was 18. The boy confirmed he is 16 but otherwise declined to comment, citing the advice of his pastor.

  58. AmeriCorps feared bad press if IG investigation continued

    By: Byron York
    Chief Political Correspondent

    One of the mysteries surrounding President Obama’s firing of AmeriCorps inspector general Gerald Walpin is what prompted the White House, supported by the board of directors of the Corporation for National and Community Service, which oversees AmeriCorps, to try to get rid of Walpin so quickly and quietly?

    On the evening of Wednesday, June 10, an official of the White House counsel’s office called Walpin to tell him he had one hour to resign or be fired. The action flew in the face of a law (sponsored by Barack Obama when he was a senator) that requires the president to give Congress 30 days’ notice, plus cause, when he intends to fire an IG. In this case, the White House apparently wanted to dispatch Walpin quickly by pushing him to resign, which would not have required the president to go through the congressional notification process. Instead, Walpin refused to quit, and only then did the White House tell Congress.

    Why the rush? Walpin had certainly displeased the board by his aggressive investigation into the misuse of AmeriCorps funds by Kevin Johnson, the former NBA star who is now mayor of Sacramento, California and a prominent supporter of President Obama. Prior to his election as mayor, Johnson ran an educational organization called St. HOPE, which received $850,000 in AmeriCorps money. Walpin discovered that Johnson and St. HOPE had failed to use the federal money for the purposes specified in the grant and had also used federally-funded AmeriCorps staff for, among other things, “driving [Johnson] to personal appointments, washing his car, and running personal errands.”

    Walpin recommended that Johnson be banned from ever receiving any more federal funds. But after the passage of the $787 billion stimulus bill, amid worries that such a ban on the mayor would keep Sacramento from receiving its share of the stimulus cash, the board of the Corporation for National and Community Service reached an agreement with the acting U.S. attorney in Sacramento under which Johnson would repay some of the mis-spent money and also be eligible to receive new federal grants in the future. Walpin strongly objected to the agreement. (Knowing his opposition, the board excluded him from the negotiations.)

    Walpin’s objections were the subject of a now-controversial May 20 meeting in which Walpin, to use his term, “lectured” the board on what he believed was its mistake in approving the Johnson settlement. On the morning of the meeting, the Sacramento Bee reported that a man named Rick Maya, who worked with Kevin Johnson in the St. HOPE project, claimed that Johnson’s emails had been deleted during the time of Walpin’s investigation. The Maya news suggested that there might have been obstruction of justice in the St. HOPE affair, and Walpin used it to drive home his point that the board should have let his investigation stand.

    It appears the discussion of the St. HOPE matter was a turning point not only in the May 20 meeting but in Walpin’s tenure at the Corporation. In a recent interview, a Republican member of the Corporation board told me that Walpin told board members at the meeting that he wanted to issue some sort of public statement to the effect that there should be more investigation of the St. HOPE matter. “He said, ‘I feel so strongly about this that today I am going to issue a statement to the press calling for further investigation,'” the member said, recalling Walpin’s words. “The board members all caught that. Several of us wrote down that he was going to be issuing a statement to the press that afternoon.”

    It was a distressing scenario for the board. As a favorite program of Barack and Michelle Obama, AmeriCorps was enjoying a higher profile than ever before. The Corporation also stood to receive vast amounts of new funding from the $5.7 billion Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, which would triple the size of AmeriCorps. And in the midst of that, here was the agency’s inspector general saying he might re-open an investigation into an embarrassing episode involving hundreds of thousands of mis-spent dollars and a politically prominent supporter of the president.

    “Right now, when there is such a great emphasis on service, we did not need any press out there on this St. HOPE matter, which was already settled,” the board member told me. “We thought he was going to use the press…He had an issue with the fact that a settlement was reached…and he was doing everything he could to continue to keep the issue at the forefront.”

    As it turned out, Walpin did not issue any statement, to the press or anyone else. (He doesn’t recall whether he said precisely what the board member recalls, although, he told me, “There wouldn’t have been anything wrong if I had.”) Instead, Walpin contacted the FBI in Sacramento with word of the Maya allegations, and agents there are now investigating the matter.

    Later in the meeting, members questioned Walpin about his intentions. It was at that point that they say Walpin became confused and disoriented. But whatever Walpin’s demeanor, it appears that board members, of both parties, were worried about the possibility of embarrassing new revelations involving a sensational case they thought had been closed. After the meeting, the board began an accelerated effort to remove Walpin, compiling an informal list of grievances against him — he could be difficult, he telecommuted, he was somehow disabled — that the White House would ultimately cite as cause for his firing. But there is no doubt that, whatever the other reasons, the board feared that a revival of a scandal they thought was in the past would be embarrassing to the newly-prominent AmeriCorps.

  59. Citi boosts salaries as bonus caps take hold

    By Martin Crutsinger and Stephen Bernard, Associated Press | June 25, 2009

    WASHINGTON – Citigroup Inc. is increasing the base salaries of many employees – reportedly by as much as 50 percent – as it restructures their compensation amid government restrictions on bonuses.

    The Obama administration reacted by pledging to aggressively implement a new law governing compensation at companies that have received taxpayer-funded bailouts. Citi, which is examining “ways to ensure its employee compensation practices are competitive,’’ has received $45 billion.

    Administration officials refused to say whether Citigroup informed the government in advance of its decision.

    Higher salaries at Citigroup are not the equivalent of annual raises, because bonuses are being lowered, said a person familiar with the matter. The person said the changes would not affect the amount of an employee’s compensation. By shifting the mix of compensation, the change could allow Citi to pay most employees as much as they received in 2008, while adhering to bonus caps.

    The person said the employees include traders, who tend to be compensated more heavily with bonuses, and middle- and lower-level managers, whose compensation is more heavily weighted toward salaries.

    Only those who get base salary and bonus could see an adjustment.

    Before the financial crisis, top traders and investment bankers typically earned $125,000 to $250,000 in base salary and $1 million to $5 million in bonus.

    The New York Times reported that some Citigroup salaries will rise as much as 50 percent

  60. 5.7 billion Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act. What a farce to name a federal program after that useless drunken reperbate and ladykiller. Is this where this huge civilian army is coming from? Bad karma on this. I wonder who this acting US Attorney was, why he covered up the crime, and why he made a deal that let Johnson keep half of what he stole. If those are the facts, then he should be reported to the bar association and the supreme court of california for investigation. This seems like an illegal act–if the facts are as reported. What is the matter with the Republican Party. I do not think the ambit of prosecutorial discretion extends to covering up a crime, especially if it was done for political purposes.

  61. Hi. Haven’t logged in for a long time — no time — work, work,work , but I read you all – never miss. Here for just a mo to see NMF say “Good Morning, All.” because I like that, but NMF not here yet so I’ll say it: Good Morning, All. and especially, Good morning, NMF. And off to work I go. Love to you all. I hope you know how appreciated you are!

  62. I really don’t have time this am to write, but I feel i must take a moment to comment on the health care discussion here.
    No one despises BO more than I do and I do want him to fail. However, the country needs a gov health care option now. It can;t wait.
    The democrats are doin a pitiful and pathetic job of making the salient points. The polls are quite shocking. I find it hard to believe that 8 out of 10 are content with their cost for healthcare. Even if you have insurnce, if you get the wrong desease you can end up in bankruptcy. All put the wealthiest Americans are at risk of losing everything…they just don’t know it.
    A gov option doesn’t pay 20 million dollare CEO salaries. Medicare actually works quite well It’s escalating costs are largely a result of overall rising costs for hospitls, etc. . We must take the profit out of healthcare. Lowering healthcare costs for all americans would probably provide the best economic stimulus for the nation right now.

    My father is a recently retired surgeon. He is a strong advocate for a gov. program.

  63. Good Morning All. I was here, just reading the overnight chatter and trying to watch my cat who is almost 20 meander on the terrace. Don’t want to lose him at this point in his life. I will be adding a patients point of view in my next post.

  64. There is a profound difference between government taking over large chunks of the economy– as we are seeing now, vs. government regulating them–as bush failed to do. If we do what bambi wants it will break this country financially, which is why I restrict it vicerally. But if we had the right government program, I would not reject it out of hand, provided I believed it was structured the right way and was not worse than the disease. Bambi and the people around him are so corrupted by money and power that there is zero chance this program will be benefical. Even if it looks okay on paper, Kevin Johnson or one of his other cronies will be managing and stealing. I favor a program which provides competition, patient focused care throughout the entire cycle of care, and doctor patient in charge not the insurance company. This program is a step in the wrong direction and sometimes that is worse than no step at all. With Bambi it is always a crisis if he wants to spend money and never a crisis when the security of the country is at risk.

  65. I have viewed the health care industry for all of my life, but from a patients point of view. In my family has been a number of health concerns. We have always dealt with the hospitals via the government stand point either military of civilian. While I had had my complaints, our coverage has always been good, and the member of our family that have had the miltary coverage it has also been very good. That does not mean at time we did not have our complaints.

    I have seen nurses and doctors that have had little or no bedside manner, even some that bordered on incompetent, but all and all, for us it has been OK. Of course it could be better. Our coverage is not as good as the Senators and the Reps. So want I want to maintain what I have, and improve it, and make sure that all US citizens have this, even if it costs me more taxes.

    So, what from my stand point do I think is wrong with the American Medical community?

  66. “With Bambi it is always a crisis if he wants to spend money and never a crisis when the security of the country is at risk.”


    Oh yeah!

  67. It is not that hard to predict human behavior. Human beings respond to the incentives and constraints of their environment, provided they are rational, which is to say not sociopaths. Thus, when people say that lawyers are bad, doctors dont take care of their patients, they may be quite right about the individual doctor, lawyer or whoever. But if the groupa as a whole is not responding the way you think they sould more often than not the anwser can be found in the system itself. That is why we need to look closely at the system, and ask whether what bambi is proposing really solves the problem, and if it does not, it should be rejected in favor of an alternative approach. And then of course we have to evaluate the moral risk of whatever he is proposing, since he himself is the product of the Chicago system which loots taxpayers and rewards cronies. Dont ever kid yourself, that is the hidden gotcha in anything he would propose, that evanescent something which lurks behind all those lofty words which in the final analysis are nothing but bullshit to seduce the unwary.

  68. In keeping with my previous discussions about the unequal care between the rich and poor that is already here in the current syste. I ask you this. We all know that Hillary fell and broke her elbow and she thanks all the Dr.s and Nurses for the wonderful care she received in the hospital. Now I ask if she were black, poor, homeless, dirty, stinky would she have gotten the same treatment? I say no because I have been to places like Ben Taub Hospital in Houston where people have to wait hours for treatment. This is a farce that all people in America get excellent care.
    Here in Texas, if you don’t have insurance you used to have to go to John Sealy hospital for free care or if you are a veteran you have to wait and go to the VA hospital for care. So in my view all this hoopla about coverage is just the insurance, hospitals and AMA protecting their piece of the pie.

  69. These are my observations

    1. We need for the medical community to open it schools for more doctors and nurses, and make this education free, if you have the ability to perform.

    2. We need a strong financial system in place, not only for the hospitals, but in the smaller doctors offices, and we need to hire professionals in that area. I don’t want them to make decisions based on money, but they have no idea where the money is going, and where it comes from. Yesterday, I received $115 check in the mail from a local hospital that I have had very little dealings with in at least a year. I have no idea why they think they owe me $115, but having looking at Doctors and hosptial bills before, and tried to deal with what was going on, I know they don’t have much of a clue either. We at least need to know where the money is coming from and going.

    3. We need to be able to negotiate with the drug people. We all know there is something wrong with the system that makes American pay one price and Canadians, etc another.

    4. We need to get back to the idea that we are there for the patient, and not there to make a name for ourselves, be a millionaire, or get that next big bonus. We need to understand that you are not guranteed a luxury life. You need to remember why you went into the field.

    I have dealt with a number of hospitals to include some of the best in the field. None of them are faultless. However, no one should be asked, how are you going to pay for this, when they are worried about even if they will survive. I had that happen, and I had good insurence, and I could not for the life of me understand why they would ask you that when you were being wheeled out of a hospital, and just faced one of the largest crisis in your life.

    You are right, we need to get something in place NOW, but we also need to understand, once in place some things will be hard to fix later, especially in an environment where we have so much debt. So what you get in this bill needs to be the most important.

  70. I do understand that this is a bad time for healthcare because of our debt. I feel like it will never be the right time. I remember when BC was POTUS and it came out that there would be healthcare for everyone, I remember being happy about because my husband was in construction and sometimes we had insurance and sometimes we didn’t. There nothing worse than having children and trying to figure how to take them to the hospital/doctor/pharmacy without insurance. I remember worrying endlessly about it.

  71. Now I ask if she were black, poor, homeless, dirty, stinky would she have gotten the same treatment?
    Confloyd: would it make any difference if they were white and poor, stinky and homeless? Maybe in some isolated venues. The Cuban banker spoke to the general issue the other night. He thinks there will be more rationing, and those with money will get treatment with the latest cutting edge medical technology, and the rest of us will get treatment based on technology that is 15 years old. I think that is where Bambis plan inevitably needs, although I have not studied it in any real detail. And I sure as hell did not watch him last night.

  72. Sorry, I just have no stomach for that pontificating jackass. I would sooner watch paint dry than listen to him read one of his mind numbing speeches on a teleprompter.

  73. wbboei, I did not watch him either, but it wouldn’t make any difference if the person was white. People that are poor are waiting now, I just don’t want people to fear having to wait. The rich always goes first now and if this goes thru they will still go first. Its human nature to take care of the paying people first. There are so many things that are done (tests/surgeries/procedures) that are done because the doctor just soaking up insurance money.
    My son is a cath lab tech. He can tell you how many procedures that are done in the heart catherization lab that could of been treated with exercise and medication rather than the invasive procedures that was being done. All medical people in that lab including the nurses raised their eyebrows at these procedures many times. It actually borders on insurance fraud sometimes, but the poor patients don’t even know!

  74. I watched a few minutes of that G-d-awful performance last night. At first, it appeared that Charlie and his friend were introducing an episode of the Hallmark Hall of Fame. There was a select group of beautiful, air-brushed audience members asking pre-programmed questions that even then Barky was ill-equiped to answer. The cue cards were probably scattered all over the set- what happens when his eyesight fails? Anyway, one doctor asked him what would he do if his family members were faced with a life-threatening illness, and because of his proposed “efficiencies”, the health plan did not include a treatment that may be life saving. He circled around that query, I expected him to say something sappy about his wife and kids, but instead discussed his dead grandmother and the probability that her hip replacement was moot, as she was going to die anyway. Of course, he did not use those words, but that was the effect. We are in for a long haul of additional bureacracy to tell us how to cut costs, akin to the managed care fiasco that became a band-aid when Hillary wasn’t allowed to bring her 93 plan to fruition.

  75. Confloyd: my contention is this: i) we need to eliminate the waste, fraud and abuse which you describe, ii) we need to realign resources and practices with patient needs, and iii) we need more competition, because there is too little of it now. (Note: competition is what eliminates these inefficiencies, promotes quality, drives down cost, and forces bad actor and practices out of the market. It is the antithesis of the Chicago Model.)

  76. I have to admit that the Federal government has the worse accounting I have ever seen. There are 20 million systems, no one wants a consolidated system, as the leaders might actually find out what is going on, and the leaders are forced to make decisions for Millions and Billions based on crap. Our system rewards spending the money, not saving it. If we made one simple change in our system, to give to the areas and projects that actually saved money, I think things would work better. I was actually punished because I awarded a contract for less, and obligated an appropiration at the 99.9 percent level, rather than the 100% level.

    If we actually rewarded the great working medical systems out there, and I heard one of them is the Mayo Clinic, maybe then we could implement a system based on one that works well. But forget that, evey hospital administrator will fight to keep their own fifedom, and to Hexx with the people dying in the ER, etc.

  77. Oh, I forgot, we need all of the money we can scrap together to keep Acorn, and that fraud group in LA going.

  78. just like lil ol
    I too am still here and read everyday but dont post much.
    I still hate obama and what he has done to our country.
    still love hill and respect palin.


    …this time from someone more respected than CNN or HuffPo.

    Iran’s Ahmadinejad compares Obama to Bush

    By Parisa Hafezi and Fredrik Dahl Parisa Hafezi And Fredrik Dahl – 1 hr 23 mins ago
    TEHRAN (Reuters) – President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad accused Barack Obama on Thursday of behaving like his predecessor toward Iran and said there was not much point in talking to Washington unless the U.S. president apologized.

    (EDITORS’ NOTE: Reuters and other foreign media are subject to Iranian restrictions on their ability to report, film or take pictures in Tehran.)

    Obama said on Tuesday he was “appalled and outraged” by a post-election crackdown and Washington withdrew invitations to Iranian diplomats to attend Independence Day celebrations on July 4 — stalling efforts to improve ties with Tehran.

    “Mr Obama made a mistake to say those things … our question is why he fell into this trap and said things that previously (former president George W.) Bush used to say,” the semi-official Fars News Agency quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.

    “Do you want to speak with this tone? If that is your stance then what is left to talk about … I hope you avoid interfering in Iran’s affairs and express your regret in a way that the Iranian nation is informed of it,” he said.

    Iran has crushed anti-government protests, flooding the streets of Tehran with police and militia to quell the most widespread unrest since the 1979 Islamic revolution.

    About 20 people have been killed in protests after Ahmadinejad was re-elected in a disputed June 12 poll which opposition leader Mirhossein Mousavi says was rigged.

    In what appeared to be further evidence of the government’s determination to crush resistance, 70 professors were detained after meeting Mousavi, his website said on Thursday.

    Mousavi said he was under pressure to stop challenging the election result and also complained about the closure of his Kalameh-ye Sabz daily newspaper and arrest of its staff.

    The row over the election has exposed an unprecedented public rift in within Iran’s ruling elite.

    With street protests fading, analysts say the battle has moved off the street into a behind-the-scenes struggle which has divided the clerical establishment into two camps.

    Mousavi has the backing of such influential figures as former presidents Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani and Mohammad Khatami, along with senior cleric Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri.

    Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who normally stays above the political fray, has sided strongly with Ahmadinejad.


    “Neither side can claim victory now,” said an analyst in Tehran, who declined to be named. “This path is very corrosive. Both sides are tired.”

    “What the system needs is to have some mediators, who can convince both sides to agree over a middle way,” he said.

    Khamenei has upheld the result and Iran’s top legislative body, the Guardian Council, has refused to annul the elections. State Press TV quoted a spokesman for the council as saying they were “among the healthiest elections ever held in the country.”

    Mousavi said he was determined to keep challenging the election results despite pressure to stop.

    “A major rigging has happened,” his website reported him as saying. “I am prepared to prove that those behind the rigging are responsible for the bloodshed.”

    He called on his supporters to continue “legal” protests and said restrictions on the opposition could lead to more violence.

    Mousavi supporters said they would release thousands of balloons on Friday imprinted with the message “Neda you will always remain in our hearts” — a reference to the young woman killed last week who has become an icon of the protests.

    Obama had previously been muted in his criticism.

    But on Tuesday he said that, “the United States and the international community have been appalled and outraged by the threats, the beatings, and imprisonments of the last few days.”

    Before the election, Obama had tried to improve ties with Iran — branded by Bush as part of an “axis of evil.”

    Washington had been hoping to convince Tehran to drop what it suspects are plans to develop nuclear bombs, while also seeking its cooperation in stabilizing Afghanistan and Iraq.

    It had invited Iranian diplomats to attend Independence Day celebrations for the first time since Washington cut diplomatic ties with Tehran in 1980. The move to withdraw the invites was largely symbolic as no Iranians had even responded.

    British Foreign Secretary David Miliband said it was wrong to blame the outside world for the troubles in Iran.

    “I think the truth is that there is a crisis of credibility between the Iranian government and their own people. It’s not a crisis between Iran and America or Iran and Britain, however much the Iranian government wants to suggest that,” he said.

  80. I did meet with the Iranian doctor yesterday. It was a long conversation and it covered many of the points discussed either here or on twitter. He thinks a revolution is in progress, in the long run I agree with him, but in the long run we will all be dead. He described the origin of the Mossavi rift with the supreme leader, the massive embezzlement of oil revenues by the supreme leader and his family, the brutality of the regimes enforcers–baschi and hezbollah forces from Lebanon, the fateful error made by the supreme leader etc. He believes the protestors can bring the regime to its knees if they get the oil workers to strike. He scoffs at the notion that Obama’s Cairo speech was the catalyst for this, and dismisses Obamas claim as narcissism. I would like to believe him this revolution will be successful, but that is not the way that Foreign Affairs Magazine is reporting it. He thinks there is still time for Obama to show some backbone, beyond the ludicrous gesture of disinviting Iranian diplomats to the 4th of July binge.
    I think it may be too little too late. We shall see. As for Obama the old saying that a coward dies a thousand deaths rings true here. He gets accused for interfering even though he did vitually nothing to support the freedom fighters.
    Winding down in Tehran?


    Top story: There are further signs that at least the street protest portion of Iran’s election controversy is winding down as the opposition has postponed a planned rally in honor of demonstrators who have been killed.

    Opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi slammed Iran’s clerical leadership on his Website saying, “if the leadership and the president are the same, it will not be in the interests of the country.” 70 university professors were reportedly arrested after meeting with Mousavi.

    There are continuing signs, however, of the growing rift among Iran’s political elite. It was reported that over the 290 lawmakers invited to a victory celebration for President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, only 105 came. Ahmadinejad also criticized U.S. President Barack Obama for interfering in Iran’s election, comparing him to former President George W. Bush.

  81. Top Bush advisor validates Israeli claim there was agreement on settlements

    Elliot Abrams, former deputy national security advisor, says Obama administration ‘is wrong’ to deny existence of understanding between Sharon, Bush on natural growth in settlements


    WASHINGTON – “Despite fervent denials by Obama administration officials, there were indeed agreements between Israel and the United States regarding the growth of Israeli settlements on the West Bank,” a former senior advisor to the Bush administration wrote in the Wall Street Journal on Thursday.

    The editorial, penned by former Deputy National Security Advisor Elliot Abrams, validates the Israeli government’s claim that then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and President George W. Bush came to an agreement that would allow for some degree of growth within existing settlements.

    Titled ‘Hillary is wrong about the settlements,’ the opinion piece rejects the current US administration’s repeated denials about the existence of such an understanding. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has explicitly denied any such exchange.

    The tensions between Jerusalem and Washington over the settlement issue have yet to be resolved. The Americans will not accept anything but a complete freeze of all construction in the West Bank, including the neighborhoods adjacent to Jerusalem itself. Israel however says that the understanding with the previous administration allowed for the building of new housing units within the boundaries of existing settlements. It is with these tensions in the air that the meeting between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and George Mitchell, President Barack Obama’s special envoy to the Middle East, was canceled. Defense Minister Ehud Barak is to leave for Washington next week in an attempt to bridge the gaps with Mitchell.

    Netanyahu has said on a number of occasions that he agrees that no new settlements would be built, but that he cannot tell families in the existing ones “not to have children.”

    ‘Sharon didn’t invent this’

    Abrams, now a senior fellow for Middle Eastern Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations, handled Middle East affairs at the National Security Council from 2001 to 2009. He writes: “On settlements we also agreed on principles that would permit some continuing growth. Mr. Sharon stated these clearly in a major policy speech in December 2003: “Israel will meet all its obligations with regard to construction in the settlements. There will be no construction beyond the existing construction line, no expropriation of land for construction, no special economic incentives and no construction of new settlements.”

    “Ariel Sharon did not invent those four principles. They emerged from discussions with American officials and were discussed by Messrs. Sharon and Bush at their Aqaba meeting in June 2003. They were not secret, either. Four days after the president’s letter, Mr. Sharon’s Chief of Staff Dov Weissglas wrote to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (to confirm the understandings).”

    Referring to Clinton’s denial of any such understandings, Abrams says: ” These statements are incorrect. Not only were there agreements, but the prime minister of Israel relied on them in undertaking a wrenching political reorientation – the dissolution of his government, the removal of every single Israeli citizen, settlement and military position in Gaza, and the removal of four small settlements in the West Bank. This was the first time Israel had ever removed settlements outside the context of a peace treaty, and it was a major step.

    “It is true that there was no US-Israel “memorandum of understanding,” which is presumably what Mrs. Clinton means when she suggests that the ‘official record of the administration’ contains none. But she would do well to consult documents like the Weissglas letter, or the notes of the Aqaba meeting, before suggesting that there was no meeting of the minds.”

    Expressing surprise, Abrams ends his piece with saying: “For reasons that remain unclear, the Obama administration has decided to abandon the understandings about settlements reached by the previous administration with the Israeli government. We may be abandoning the deal now, but we cannot rewrite history and make believe it did not exist.,7340,L-3737212,00.html


    While I abhor his personal slant on Hillary who is only being a good team player for the idiot, I do appreciate the validation of this important issue.

  82. I wonder who this acting US Attorney was, why he covered up the crime,
    Joseph P. Russoniello is the current US Attorney for the district of Northern CA. He is a Republican, appointed by Bush and reappointed in ’07. I assume he approved the plea deal, cleared the case and moved on. I suspect, with the publicity, if the FBI turns up evidence of obstruction of justice, Mr. Johnson is unlikely to get off quite so easily.

  83. Joseph P. Russoniello is the current US Attorney for the district of Northern CA. He is a Republican, appointed by Bush and reappointed in ‘07. I assume he approved the plea deal, cleared the case and moved on. I suspect, with the publicity, if the FBI turns up evidence of obstruction of justice, Mr. Johnson is unlikely to get off quite so easily.
    Perhaps. But I would like to know more. A US Attorney has no right to approve a settlement which allows a public official who has stolen money from the American Public to go free and keep half of what he has stolen. That is not the kind of case he can clear his desk on. If he does that then he ratifies the crime. That is a violation of his oath of office. Regardless of his party.

  84. Apparently Ahmandinejad slammed Obama for meddling. Maybe Obama is scared that the regime will tell us the american people where he got all his money?? That is probably why he won’t cross the muslims!

  85. Far, far, far to much ado about this Sanford thing. Huge photo of him above the fold in NYT. The left is trying to convince the unwary that this clown was a presidential candidate in waiting. And his demise is yet another death blow to the Republican Party, in its effort to challenge the dictator. What they fail to mention is he had dwindling support in his own state. His presidential prospects were fantasy island of big media dementia. Now, Sanford needs to do the right thing which is to validate his confession by stepping down. Ensign and Vitter too. They are a drag on the party.

  86. ratings for the latest media love fest,0,5234772.story

    The “Got Talent” lead-in helped NBC’s new drama “The Philanthropist,” 4.8/8, get off to a decent start at 10, winning the hour in viewers and adults 18-49 despite a slightly higher household number for “CSI: NY,” 4.9/8, on CBS. An ABC News special with President Obama drew a 3.1/6.

  87. Apparently Ahmandinejad slammed Obama for meddling. Maybe Obama is scared that the regime will tell us the american people where he got all his money?? That is probably why he won’t cross the muslims!
    I would not rule it out. We do know that one of the factors that prevented him from issuing an unequivocal statement was the business interests of General Electric, his corporate patron. Undoubtedly, there are other reasons as well, why he did not assert leadership consistent with the duties of his office.

  88. Undoubtedly, there are other reasons as well, why he did not assert leadership consistent with the duties of his office
    And I should also add this: it is the Rezko pattern–or as Yogi put it deja vu all over again. Protect the patron and compromise the duties of office. Turn a blind eye and deaf ear to the dispossessed who look to him for help. That is the unmistakable pattern.

  89. The “Got Talent” lead-in helped NBC’s new drama “The Philanthropist,” 4.8/8, get off to a decent start at 10, winning the hour in viewers and adults 18-49 despite a slightly higher household number for “CSI: NY,” 4.9/8, on CBS. An ABC News special with President Obama drew a 3.1/6.
    Henry: if I understand what you are saying, bambi came in 3d play–not win, not place, only show. Edged out by two more interesting pieces of fiction. This is quite remarkable given the seriousness of the topic. Declining interest in the Messiah. Where are the 70 thousand fools who gathered on the banks of the Wilammette River to hear him preach? His hitlerjuegen will spring into action soon and we shall see how that shakes out. We must remember to tell them to wake up and smell the coffee, i.e. bambi = bush III.

  90. Obama’s DOJ helping to cover up Obama’s BFFs, the Saudi Royal Family, involvement in supporting radical Islamic terrorism.

    “Documents Back Saudi Link to Extremists”

    WASHINGTON — Documents gathered by lawyers for the families of Sept. 11 victims provide new evidence of extensive financial support for Al Qaeda and other extremist groups by members of the Saudi royal family, but the material may never find its way into court because of legal and diplomatic obstacles.

    The case has put the Obama administration in the middle of a political and legal dispute, with the Justice Department siding with the Saudis in court last month in seeking to kill further legal action. Adding to the intrigue, classified American intelligence documents related to Saudi finances were leaked anonymously to lawyers for the families. The Justice Department had the lawyers’ copies destroyed and now wants to prevent a judge from even looking at the material.

    Internal Treasury Department documents obtained by the lawyers under the Freedom of Information Act, for instance, said that a prominent Saudi charity, the International Islamic Relief Organization, heavily supported by members of the Saudi royal family, showed “support for terrorist organizations” at least through 2006.

    A self-described Qaeda operative in Bosnia said in an interview with lawyers in the lawsuit that another charity largely controlled by members of the royal family, the Saudi High Commission for Aid to Bosnia, provided money and supplies to the terrorist group in the 1990s and hired militant operatives like himself.

    Another witness in Afghanistan said in a sworn statement that in 1998 he had witnessed an emissary for a leading Saudi prince, Turki al-Faisal, hand a check for one billion Saudi riyals (now worth about $267 million) to a top Taliban leader.

  91. “Teen strip-searched in school wins partial victory”

    “The justices concluded that the search was unreasonable but that individual school administrators could not be sued.”
    (School officials strip searched a 13 year old girl looking for Advil)

    Clarence Thomas thought strip searches by school officials is just fine!!
    “Preservation of order, discipline and safety in public schools is simply not the domain of the Constitution,” he said. “And, common sense is not a judicial monopoly or a constitutional imperative…

    (Clarence Thomas is a very damaged human being but he is still a Cancer in the body of American Jurisprudence.

  92. While I abhor his personal slant on Hillary who is only being a good team player for the idiot, I do appreciate the validation of this important issue.
    Agreed with this caveat. If it were me, I would not say there was no deal because there was no formal memoranndum. Clearly, there was a meeting of the minds and Israel relied on it. The way I would approach it would be to say, there is some question whether or not there was a deal, but the current political realities are such that that deal needs to change, and we will work with our ally to see that their underlying security concerns are appropriately addressed. In other words, I would not hang my case on the no deal scenario, because it would leave me open to precisely this kind of rebuttal. If that is the party line, I would have somebody else say it. I assume this subject came up when Hillary met with Condi to figure out everything Bush had done that might come back to bite the succeeding administration in the but. Now dont get me wrong–I love Hillary and want Israels interests fully protected, but I do not think this particular strategy was a good one.

  93. The other thing it does is get the other partys hackles up unnecessarily. If you want to move them in your direction, you do not deny what has occured. Instead, you acknowledge what has occured, but argue changed circumstances require reassessment and modification of that deal contingent on other factors. I think when the original statement was made, there was an assumption that bush had so little credibility in the eyes of the American Public, that whatever he did that was not reduced to writing could be repudiated for that reason. Not everything Bush did was per force wrong, and in this case there was another party to the transaction. That is the rub.

  94. Link on Drudge to article about MO looking for purpose…
    So she is beginning to tire of the queen mother role and is looking for another gig, as a cover for her real purpose which is to loot the country. Lets see . . . what would be an approppriate role for this frigid heiress? I am stumped.

  95. wbboei Says:

    June 25th, 2009 at 12:53 pm


    I agree on the one hand. On the other I think they should butt out completely on the settlement issue. It is none of the U.S.’s business. And I’m sure they wouldn’t appreciate that type of interference on a similar circumstance involving their own country.

  96. Clarence Thomas thought strip searches by school officials is just fine!!
    Apparently he learned nothing from the “high tech lynching”. If we were talking about a bomb that would be one thing. Illegal drugs for distribution perhaps. But Advil???

  97. I agree on the one hand. On the other I think they should butt out completely on the settlement issue. It is none of the U.S.’s business. And I’m sure they wouldn’t appreciate that type of interference on a similar circumstance involving their own country
    Jan–I agree with you. I was arguing what the Administration should have done if they felt compelled to address the settlement issue. As to whether they should even be involved in it, I agree with you that they should not be involved. And when they told the Palestinians they would take the issue on as Bambi did, they put themselves in an untenable position.

  98. jbstonesfan

    I feel for Farah and her for what they have gone through. This is an example of someone who could affort excellant medical care, and still lost the fight.

  99. O has burnt out his audience. He and his staff have no idea about how to negotiate the programs he wants. They think another teleprompter speech should do it, and then we will bully the legislative people by going to their states, and reaching down into their voters and bullying them to move our way.

    Bullying is and always will be a major part of O’s strategy. His speeches will also. What they don’t understand is that some of us caught on a long time again, and we sit here and are amazed at how long it took others.

    Where was his experience, what was his track record, how did he perform, or was there really no performance. The O cult felt all they had to do was win, and the performance could be masked over, as they have a love in. The voters have only themselves to blame.

    The Iranian people are losing their lives to object to what has happened in their country, and we in this country were afraid that we would lose our invitation to the Inaugeral Ball.

  100. Illegal drugs for distribution perhaps.
    If there was a strong suspicion of illegal drugs, the school officials should notify parents and law enforcement. Law enforcement should conduct searches in order to maintain “chain of evidence” if for no other reason.

  101. LOL…wwoebi,

    Tiny Tim is always so hard on the ears…but such and appropriate companion for the wicked witch of the white house.

  102. yes, confloyd, Farrah passed away at about 9:30 AM pacific time in santa monica…at st john’s hospital…so sad to have someone so ‘young’ in such pain and gone so soon…

  103. According to CNN, Ahmandinajad want Obama to apologize for his statement he made last week. The dumbass probably will probably do it. LOL!!

  104. Sorry to hear about Farrah, she was from the same town in Texas that I grew up in, Corpus Christi.

  105. If there was a strong suspicion of illegal drugs, the school officials should notify parents and law enforcement. Law enforcement should conduct searches in order to maintain “chain of evidence” if for no other reason
    That would be the right procedure.

  106. confloyd,

    I’m sure bambi is practising his genuflecting as we speak.

    I too am very sorry to hear about Farah.

  107. According to CNN, Ahmandinajad want Obama to apologize for his statement he made last week. The dumbass probably will probably do it. LOL!!
    This makes bambi look even weaker for doing essentially nothing.

  108. So what date and time do the North Korean’s aim and shoot off the missile? Does not look like they have anything to worry about with the leadership we have seen.

  109. Maybe bambi can apologize to the North Koreans at the same time…and then the Saudis and the palestinians and the Russians and on and on…

  110. I think he should apologize to both Iran and North Korea–for doing nothing to restrain their madness.

  111. Bambis doctor disses his plan.

    Dr. David Scheiner, President Obama’s internist of 22 years, has a mixed practice of adults from local housing projects on up to some very famous patients. He issued the 276-word statement last year vouching for Obama’s “excellent health.” While he still supports the President, David Whelan’s Forbes article Obama’s Doctor Knocks ObamaCare allows that:

    [Scheiner] worries about whether the health care legislation currently making its way through Congress will actually do any good, particularly for doctors like himself who practice general medicine. “I’m not sure [Obama] really understands what we face in primary care.”

    …Looking at Obama’s team of health advisors, Scheiner doesn’t see anyone who’s actually in the trenches. “I have a suspicion they pick people from the top echelon of medicine, people who write about it but haven’t been struggling in it,” he says.

    Scheiner is critical of Obama’s pick for Health and Human Services secretary–Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, who used to work as the chief lobbyist for her state’s trial lawyers association.

    Odd that President Obama would choose to throw Howard Dean under the bus and not give him the HHS appointment. It also seems SoS Clinton is not being consulted here. With her earlier efforts and deep dedication to this issue and her latest proposals, I’m sure she has much insight to offer.

    “He doesn’t see all the pain, it’s so tragic out here,” [Scheiner] says. “Obama’s wonderful, but on this one I’m not sure if he’s getting the right input.”

    But this is typically the issue. “Experts” are assigned to fix the problem without a clear understanding of what it is. Scheiner recommends

    …”Medicare for all,” a single-payer system where the government would cover everyone and pay for it by cutting out waste in the system. “A neurosurgeon gets paid $20,000 for cutting into the neck of my patient. Have him get paid $1 million a year instead of $2 million or $3 million. He won’t starve.”

    Scheiner thinks that Obama’s “public plan” reform doesn’t go far enough. He supports the idea of that option for people who don’t like or can’t afford their HMO. But he worries that it will be watered down or not happen at all. “It’s nonsense that the private insurance companies need to be protected,” he says. “Why? Because they’ve done such a good job?”

    He thinks that Americans have been scared into believing that they will lose the coverage they already have if a public plan is created. And he worries that nobody cares about the 50 million uninsured. “I have people who have lost their jobs and come to me and I give them drug samples,” he says.

    Scheiner says he thinks that Obama probably sees the virtues of a single-payer system but has decided it would be politically impossible to create one.

    Well, that’s where the dig your heels in and fight part comes in. As much as I want health care reform, once again I get the sense that we are rushing into something without having thought through the options properly. The President as already worried about re-election and wants to get his “agenda” passed as quickly as possible, but during this frightening economic time, it would seem that building a better floor under us would build confidence not only in our economy but in the President’s leadership abilities and might make his “impossible fight” a little more possible down the road.

    Reid Cherlin, an assistant White House press secretary who covers health issues, wrote in an e-mailed statement, “The President has been clear that while a single-payer system may work in some countries, it makes the most sense for us to build on what works in the system we have and to fix what’s broken.

    “He would certainly agree that there’s too much waste in the system–where families, businesses and governments pay too much for too little,” he added, “and that’s why he’s committed not just to expanding coverage but to reforming the health system to provide high-quality care at a lower cost to more Americans.”

    “I once briefly talked to him about malpractice, and he took the lawyers’ position,” [Scheiner] says.

    Obama reiterated his opposition to caps on medical malpractice before the AMA this week.

    Scheiner, like most others in his profession, thinks that it should be harder to sue doctors and that awards should be capped. He says that he and other doctors must order too many tests and imaging studies just to avoid being sued.

    The article further states that Scheiner, a graduate of Princeton who got his start at Columbia University’s College of Physicians and Surgeons, had “watched his income decline over the years to what he calculated to be $22 an hour ($2,100 every two weeks after withholding for taxes, health insurance and malpractice insurance.)”

    Scheiner thinks that any health reform should involve paying primary-care doctors better so they don’t have to rush through appointments to make ends meet. He says that the medical students he encounters are no longer even taught how to do a patient history and physical exam. Patients get imaging studies and lab work instead of actual work-ups. “It’s like in Star Trek where Bones had the thing he would wave up and down. They don’t even talk to patients,” he says.

    In an interview with Reuters today, Senator John McCain commented:

    Efforts to overhaul America’s costly healthcare system need to begin anew after the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office said a draft bill would cost $1 trillion and insure only 16 million of the 46 million uninsured people, McCain said.

    “They just took a body blow,” he said of Obama’s Democrats. “Whether they recover from it or not, we will probably know in the next few days.”

    McCain had some stark advice to Democrats writing the legislation: “I think that they should start over.”

    Further a PEW research study published on June 18th had this to say:

    As health care reform legislation moves forward in Washington, the political environment is somewhat different than the last time a major overhaul of the health care system was attempted sixteen years ago. In early 1993 the sense of a health care crisis was far more widespread than it is today – a 55% majority in 1993 said they felt the health care system needed to be “completely rebuilt” compared with 41% today. Health care costs were also a broader problem in 1993 – 63% of Americans said paying for the cost of a major illness was a “major problem” for them, compared with 48% currently.

    The issue of limiting overall health care spending is also more prominent in 2009 than it was in 1993. Somewhat fewer today say the country spends “too little” on health care, and a larger share believe that limiting the overall growth in health care costs is a higher priority than expanding coverage. But overall, public support for guaranteed access to medical care for all Americans remains widespread.

    I find this rather odd, with health care costs spiraling out of control and so many Americans without coverage. Here is an overview of the study’s findings: I encourage you to read the entire article here.

    On health care spending:
    Relatively few Americans believe the country as a whole is spending the right amount on health care at this point, but there is no consensus on what the problem is. Just as many Americans say we are spending too much on health care (38%) as too little (40%).

    Most Back Overhaul; Fewer Than in 1993 See Crisis
    Most Americans believe that the nation’s health care system is in need of substantial changes. Four-in-ten (41%) say the health care system needs to be completely rebuilt, while 30% think it needs fundamental changes. About one-in-four (24%) believe that the health care system works pretty well and needs only minor changes.

    Health Reform Priorities
    Most Americans favor ensuring health coverage to all Americans, and most also say it is very important to limit the overall annual increase in health care costs. Neither of these objectives, however, receives as overwhelming support as they did in early 1993. When Americans are asked to prioritize between these two goals, most continue to say that expanding health insurance to all is the more important goal. But the share who rate costs as the more important concern is nearly double what it was in 1993.

    The public’s overall support for expanding health insurance to cover all Americans remains widespread, though more sharply partisan than in 1993.

    And Fewer See Cost of Care as Major Problem than was thecase in 1993.

    Any health care reform is going to be a huge fight. Both sides are already digging in their heels and I sincerely hope anyone with a reasonable proposal to bring to the table will be heard. It would be disastrous for this administration to push through health care reform in much the same way they did the Stimulus package earlier this year.

    I appreciate Dr Scheiner’s comments as I understand how painful it is when those who are actually going to be on the receiving end of the government’s overhaul are not getting enough consultation on the matter. He’s offering a physician’s point of view. I’d certainly like to hear from others “on the ground.”

    Where do you fall in the debate on this one? Your insights would be greatly appreciated.

  112. Scheiner is critical of Obama’s pick for Health and Human Services secretary–Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, who used to work as the chief lobbyist for her state’s trial lawyers association.
    She is a very poor choice, in every conceivable respect. Again, I agree with his doctor, not him. I agree with his relative who fought in world war II, not him. Isnt it interesting that the people who know bambi best are not baffled by his bullshit, but openly admit that they do NOT agree with him. What a catastrophe he is for the country.

  113. but that has been obama’s motis operandi all along. He puts “theorists” into positions that “hands on” experience would do better at. He also put them on the auto council and according to Lou Dobbs, not a one of them has any experience.

  114. The Hollywood Reporter

    ABC’s White House special struggled for viewers

    President Obama’s town hall meeting on health care delivered a sickly rating Wednesday evening.

    The one-hour ABC News special “Primetime: Questions for the President: Prescription for America” (4.7 million viewers, 1.1 preliminary adults 18-49 rating) had the fewest viewers in the 10 p.m. hour. The special tied some 8 p.m. comedy repeats as the lowest-rated program on a major broadcast network.

    The special was shot at the White House and featured the president answering questions about his health care plan. The president’s primary message was that those who like their current insurance will be able to keep it and that taking no action will result in higher health care costs.

    The special drew fire from Republican leadership after refusing to allow an official opposition response, or even a paid ad. ABC also interviewed Obama on “Good Morning America” to help promote the special.

  115. Hillary Clinton may hire ‘family loyalist’ as consultant
    Birmingham Star

    Wednesday 24th June, 2009

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is in talks with one of her family’s ‘staunchest loyalists’, former White House aide Sidney Blumenthal, to serve as a consultant to the State Department, the New York Times reported said Wednesday.

    Blumenthal, who worked as an aide to president Bill Clinton from 1997 to 2001, would work with Hillary Clinton’s speechwriting team, an administration official told the Times on condition of anonymity because the appointment was not yet public and could still fall through.

    Blumenthal and State Department spokesman Ian C. Kelly had no comments.

    The Times noted that the possible appointment was first reported by The Cable, a blog of the magazine Foreign Policy.

    A prominent journalist who has recently worked as Washington bureau chief for the website, Blumenthal has been a ‘passionate defender’ of the Clintons through some of their most trying times. In 2007, he was an adviser to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

    Clinton has put a handful of aides from her White House days into senior posts, including Cheryl Mills, her chief of staff, the Times added.

  116. I was just over at TexasDarlin’s site and commentors are beginning to think there is something fishy about all these people’s personal life becoming public after each one of them go against Bambi. I have to say I have wondered the same thing.

    Shaquille O’Neal Traded to Cleveland Cavaliers

    In a bold stroke aimed at winning the championship, the
    Cleveland Cavaliers acquired Shaquille O’Neal from the
    Phoenix Suns in a multiplayer trade that will have
    ramifications across the N.B.A. The deal gives Cleveland a
    second star to share some of the offensive burden with LeBron


  118. Madame secretary shines

    The Economist
    Published: June 23, 2009, 22:56

    One of US President Barack Obama’s riskiest decisions, on winning the presidential election, was to choose Hillary Clinton as his secretary of state.

    The Obama-Clinton duel was among the most vicious in Democratic Party history, and some of the sharpest clashes were over foreign policy. The Obama camp accused Clinton of Bush-like support for invading Iraq and shaking up rogue states (at one point she even threatened to “obliterate” Iran if it attacked Israel). The Clinton camp retorted that Obama was a soft-hearted neophyte who was too eager to talk to dangerous strongmen, such as President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    These ideological tensions were reinforced by personal animosities. Richard Holbrooke has had a running feud with Anthony Lake, one of Obama’s closest foreign-policy advisers. Samantha Power, another Obama adviser, described Clinton as a “monster” and was fired for it.

    Mischief-makers have been trying to discover tensions between the two former rivals ever since Clinton moved to Foggy Bottom in January. So far they have been frustrated, despite the fact that the issues that once divided them have been at the heart of foreign policy, and many of the same egos are still at work (Power is now ensconced in the National Security Council and Holbrooke is special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan.)

    Obama and Clinton have hewed to the same line over the current uproar in Iran – expressing worries about the violence but avoiding raising the spectre of “American interference”. Clinton has followed Obama’s lead in holding out a welcoming hand to assorted anti-American strongmen. “President Obama won the election. He beat me in a primary in which he put forth a different approach,” was her sharp response to a Republican congressman who reminded her of her former hawkishness when Obama shook Hugo Chávez’s hand.

    Clinton now enjoys the highest popularity rating of any of Obama’s Cabinet; she also enjoys the admiration of some Republicans, such as Mark Kirk, a member of the congressional subcommittee that overseas the State Department, who calls her “the superstar of the Cabinet”. Clinton’s success has partly been a matter of good fortune. The State Department is delighted to see the arrival of an administration that does not regard Foggy Bottom as enemy-occupied territory.

    It also has better relations with the Pentagon than it has had for years. If former secretary of defence Donald Rumsfeld went out of his way to antagonise State, Robert Gates, who replaced him in 2006, has bent over backwards to woo it, publicly agonising over the “creeping militarisation” of foreign policy and calling for a “dramatic increase” in the “civilian instruments” of national security, such as diplomacy and foreign aid.

    But Clinton has also made the best of her opportunities. She has struck a balance between deploying her star power and deferring to the president. She is routinely greeted as a rock star wherever she goes, and has enjoyed mixing with ordinary people: holding a spirited discussion with the teenage audience of an Indonesian television show, Awesome, for example. But she has always known when to defer to Obama or other Cabinet secretaries, such as Tim Geithner.

    Clinton has also brought a tough-minded professionalism to her job. She has inevitably encountered resistance, given the number of fingers in the foreign-policy pie – including those of Vice President Joe Biden, who has a long-standing interest in foreign affairs.

    The State Department bureaucracy is critical of her habit of surrounding herself with loyalists such as Cheryl Mills, a former White House lawyer who was one of her most important aides during the final days of her presidential campaign.

    Human-rights activists are also furious about her reluctance to lecture foreign governments, particularly China, on that subject.

    But she has won more battles than she has lost – notably with Biden, over whether America should send 21,000 troops to Afghanistan.

    And America’s foreign-policy machinery is now working as well as it has in years. One of her shrewdest moves was to divide the job of deputy secretary into two, with James Steinberg focusing on policy and Jack Lew on management. Steinberg is respected on both sides of the former Clinton-Obama divide. Lew, a former White House budget director, helped Clinton win a 10 per cent budget increase for the department.

    Clinton has also seemed content to delegate the day-to-day management of some of the world’s most volatile regions to special envoys: the Afghanistan-Pakistan region to Holbrooke; the Middle East peace process to George Mitchell; and the Gulf and south-west Asia to Dennis Ross.

    (That last appointment, though, has gone awry: Ross is apparently being moved to the White House.)

    But in general Clinton has disentangled herself enough from the daily demands of these regions to focus on strategic questions that are too often given short shrift.

    The only disappointment, from her point of view, is that she did not bring the same skills to fighting Obama, a year ago, that she is now bringing to serving him. If she had, Obama might have been the one learning how to play second fiddle.


    “The State Department bureaucracy is critical of her habit of surrounding herself with loyalists”

    GMAB! Is she supposed to surround herself with inexperienced enemies?

  119. I was just over at TexasDarlin’s site and commentors are beginning to think there is something fishy about all these people’s personal life becoming public after each one of them go against Bambi. I have to say I have wondered the same thing.
    Naaah. Too many others on both sides of the aisle who have not been outed. These two were just stupid, conflicted men.

  120. The Economist
    Published: June 23, 2009, 22:56
    This does not accurately reflect the pulse of what is going on. Typically, the Economist avoids these kinds of puff pieces and the ending is a non sequitir. The truth is she does a good job whenever the media cannot get at her, and then do they always poison the well though their pathological lies. Also she places country before self, which is something Obama is psychologically incapable of doing.

  121. Sid got a dwi ticket during the campaign and faded from view. I regretted that because I think he would hav been an asset to her in the late stages, especially on the d.c. end. I hope he joins the team now.

  122. “The State Department bureaucracy
    Is there any evidence to support this allegation? The writer asks us to accept it as gospel, but does not provide any kind of cooperation. Have some expressed that sentiment? Possibly, since it affects access and influence. But is the view widely held throughout the state department? Highly unlikely.

  123. The Hollywood Reporter

    ABC’s White House special struggled for viewers

    President Obama’s town hall meeting on health care delivered a sickly rating Wednesday evening
    S: thank you. This was in line with my expectations. And it tends to refute the 63% appoval lie perpetrated by NYT.

  124. The Hollywood Reporter

    ABC’s White House special struggled for viewers
    All these little dweebs at ABC who agonized over this production, from the preview of coming attactions, to the welcome to the white house, to the unctuous deference of Charlie Gibson, to the canned Q&A, to the morning after–not a trick was missed, the sound the stage were state of the art, the message and the words were agonized over and debated ad infiniitum, and when it was all over, millions of dollars later, the program tied for last in that time slot. The only plausible explanation is Obamas star is fading as we get to know him. The yellow dog of Tehran, whose word means nothing.

  125. How many died in the wool Obama lovers have been outed?? Of coarse, these outings would be from both sides, cause he works both sides as in the combine.

  126. I am not smart enough to understand the issues involved in universal health coverage versus private sector coverage, but I do recognize that I am paying higher rates because of hospitals /insurers having to cover millions of illegals and those without coverage facing medical emergencies. My premium started out at 464$ for a family of three about 12 years ago, and now, a family of 5 costs me over 3k a month. The PPO I am on is excellent and I can go directly to a specialist without a referral, but the average person cannot pay 36k a year for health insurance. I am a solo practitioner and DO NOT offer my staff health care . Most get through their spouses jobs or pay a much smaller amount for HMO’s which they claim are very difficult.

  127. S Says:

    June 25th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
    The Hollywood Reporter
    ABC’s White House special struggled for viewers

    Serves ’em right for being the president’s lackey.

  128. How I WISH someone caught MO on tape saying this!

    “She doesn’t want to simply go to events and hug struggling military families, she said;”

    Anyone else remember HRC’s hot-button comment in the 1990’s that she was hounded about for the fololwing twen years?

    “I could have chosen to just stay at home and bake cookies . . . :”


    The tough talk about cracking down on lavish bonuses is outwitted by smart money people. (From yesterday’s NY Times biz section). To quote a famous philosopher: “Snag!”.

    Citigroup Has a Plan to Fatten Salaries

    Published: June 23, 2009

    After all those losses and bailouts, rank-and-file employees of Citigroup are getting some good news: their salaries are going up.

    The troubled banking giant, which to many symbolizes the troubles in the nation’s financial industry, intends to raise workers’ base salaries by as much as 50 percent this year to offset smaller annual bonuses, according to people with direct knowledge of the plan.

    The shift means that most Citigroup employees will make as much money as they did in 2008, although some might earn more and others less. The company also plans to award millions of new stock options to employees in an effort to retain workers and neutralize a precipitous drop in the value of their stock holdings.

    Like Citigroup, financial companies, like Bank of America and Morgan Stanley, are raising employees’ base salaries to try to shift attention away from bonuses and curb excessive risk-taking. So are banks like UBS and other European competitors.

    The Citigroup proposals, discussed internally this week, present a crucial test for the Obama administration, which has vowed to rein in runaway compensation at companies that have received large taxpayer-financed bailouts. Citigroup has gotten not one but two rescues from Washington. Soon the government will assume a 34 percent stake in the company, whose share price has plunged nearly 84 percent in the last year.

    Despite Washington’s new role at Citigroup, and public anger over big paydays on Wall Street, administration officials have little power to prevent the company and others in the industry from raising salaries for rank-and-file employees.

    Kenneth R. Feinberg, the administration’s new “pay czar,” has the authority to set compensation for only the top 100 employees at troubled companies. The rest — which at Citigroup, means fewer than 300,000 people — can be paid as executives see fit, provided any increase does not rank them among the 100 most highly paid workers.

    Outsize pay on Wall Street, particularly the industry’s bonus culture, is widely seen as having encouraged the risk-taking that led to the gravest financial crisis since the Depression. But industrywide, total compensation is expected to rise 20 to 30 percent this year, approximately to the levels of 2005, before the crisis, according to Johnson Associates, a compensation consulting firm. Total industry pay would still be below the record levels of 2007, but only a bit.

    “You can say it is outrageous,” said Alan Johnson, the president of the firm. “But maybe it’s a little like the canary in the mine, and you say that things are getting better.”

    Indeed, despite the simmering anger over Wall Street pay, some of the 10 big banks that repaid their federal aid this month — a big step toward disentangling themselves from the government — are gearing up to pay outsize bonuses. For many, profits are up, despite the troubled economy. On Monday, Goldman Sachs, which returned $10 billion of bailout funds, denied reports that it planned to pay out the highest bonuses in its 140-year history.

    Mr. Feinberg, the special master for compensation, is the person who ensures that companies receiving federal bailout money are abiding by executive pay guidelines. This week, Mr. Feinberg, who oversaw the federal government’s compensation fund for victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, held introductory meetings with Citigroup executives and their counterparts at several other companies that have received two federal bailouts. He will start reviewing pay packages for the 25 highest-paid employees, as well as compensation formulas for the next 75, in the next two months. He declined to comment on Tuesday.

    For months, Citigroup executives have sought guidance from the Treasury Department about how to alter compensation. But after reviewing the new rules, the bank determined it did not need Mr. Feinberg or other government officials to sign off on pay for the rank and file. While Mr. Feinberg can request information on the pay polices at financial companies that have received two federal bailouts, the companies can reject his guidance.

    Citigroup executives are so eager to keep employees from fleeing, that in some cases, they are offering them guaranteed pay contracts. Managers began notifying bank employees of the proposed changes this week. They could take effect shortly.

    For some Citigroup investment bankers and traders, the changes could mean salary increases of as much as 50 percent, depending on their position. Legal and risk management employees, as well as those in the credit card and consumer banking units, whose pay is typically skewed toward salary, rather than bonuses, are expected to receive smaller increases.

    Citigroup executives said the changes were aimed at retaining employees. Some Citigroup workers have already left for small, boutique investment banks or large rivals that are not so beholden to the government.

    Citigroup officials declined to discuss the issue on the record, given its sensitive nature. But they said that the changes would bring the bank’s compensation plan in line with the widespread view on Wall Street that bonuses were not one-time payouts, but rather a form of deferred salary. They said the new system would let them adjust bonuses more sharply to reflect employees’ performance.

    Stephen Cohen, a Citigroup spokesman, said that any changes would be intended to adjust the balance between salaries, which are fixed, and bonuses, which vary from year to year.

    Citigroup also plans to introduce a new stock option program later this year. Under the plan, it will award employees one stock option for every share of unvested restricted stock they have accumulated. The program could open the floodgates for the release of tens of millions of stock options that could be cashed out over the next three years.

    It is unclear what the strike price will be. But the hope is that the options program will give employees another incentive to stay despite offers from rivals.

  130. That’s not nice….It should be her honor and duty to comfort these heroes. Sadly, Obama and his wife disdain the military imo. I always thought that would get Hillary more votes, but it didn’t work out that way.

  131. well if obama’s star is fading, then we can also say that he is dragging the media down with him. Their credibility is in the toilet.

  132. Awwww……
    Thanks Jan.

    So far it’s not as bad as I’d expected. 2 treatments down and another 8-10 to go.
    On a very personal note, I cover the County Legislature for a local newspaper. Last week, I met the town attorney for the first time. I knew she must be undergoing some type of treatment oz she was wearing a head covering. (I’ve already got my wig ready, just in case)
    The next day, she was my neighbor in the treatment room. She had undergone a double mascetomey a couple of months earlier but that hadn’t slowed her down. At the legislature meeting she presented a new 50 page anti-texting law. That lit a fire under my butt and made me feel ashamed for being such a wimp about my much easier regimen. There are unsung (s)heroes all around us despite what BO seems to think.

  133. basil,

    Women like you and the town attorney are definitely heroes in my opinion. You are in my thoughts and prayers.

  134. Russia, rest of G8 clash on approach to Iran
    Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:26pm EDT

    * G8 statement will condemn Iranian “repression”, Italy says

    * Russia says election was “an exercise in democracy”

    * Delegates want to leave open door to nuclear talks

    By Daniel Flynn and Phil Stewart

    TRIESTE, Italy, June 25 (Reuters) – Group of Eight powers were divided on how to respond to Iran’s disputed election on Thursday, with hosts Italy pushing for a strong condemnation of violence and Russia calling the vote “an exercise in democracy”.

    Western nations at a meeting of G8 foreign ministers in Trieste were pushing for tough language in a final communique on Iran, where about 20 people have been killed in demonstrations following the June 12 presidential election two weeks ago.

    “We are working on a document that should condemn the violence and the repression and at the same time stress that electoral procedures are an (internal) Iranian matter,” said Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini. But he cautioned: “We (the international community) can’t recount the vote.” The statement is expected on Friday. Delegates to the G8 conference, getting under way with a dinner on Thursday evening, were wrestling over the wording of the statement on Iran to take into account the sensibilities of Moscow, which has already said it considers all issues linked to the election as Iran’s internal affair.

    Official results handed hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad a landslide victory but defeated candidate Mirhossein Mousavi has said that the vote was rigged.

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov made clear that Russia was not prepared to sign up to a G8 statement condemning Iran’s handling of the election. “No one is willing to condemn the election process, because it’s an exercise in democracy,” Lavrov told reporters. Russia is one of six powers that have been trying to solve a long-running dispute with Iran over its nuclear programme.

    Iran says it wants nuclear power to generate electricity but Western powers suspect it of seeking to develop a nuclear bomb.


    “We agreed that we will develop a language which would allow us to concentrate on the main task — to move toward resolving the issues of the Iranian nuclear programme…,” Lavrov said after separate talks with Frattini. “Isolation is the wrong approach … Engagement is the key word,” he said.

    Italian Foreign Ministry spokesman Maurizio Massari said the G8 would express concern over Iran’s nuclear programme but added “we want to maintain as far as possible a climate of dialogue”.

    Events in Iran have cast a shadow over the G8 meeting that should have focused on stabilising Afghanistan and pursuing Middle East peace.

    Diplomats had seen the June 25-27 event as a rare chance for the Group of Eight nations to sit down with regional powers like Iran to discuss shared goals for Afghanistan and Pakistan. But Iran declined to answer Italy’s invitation to attend.

    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is also absent after hurting her arm.

    Speaking in Washington before the meeting, a senior U.S. State Department official said foreign ministers were expected to discuss the impact of the situation in Iran on efforts to engage Tehran over its nuclear programme.

    European Union External Relations Commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner condemned excessive force by Iranian security forces against demonstrators, urged a halt to arbitrary arrests and called a crackdown on journalists unacceptable.

    As delegates gathered, a small group of Iranian protesters held up signs condemning the violent crackdown in Iran. “We want the G8 to exert pressure so Iran allows peaceful protests, free elections, democracy,” said Siamak, an Iranian expatriate who fled Iran after the 1979 revolution. He declined to give his last name out of fear for his family still in Iran. (Additional reporting by Roberto Landucci and Arshad Mohammed in Washington; Writing by Adrian Croft; Editing by Peter Millership)

  135. Israel eases West Bank security

    Israel is handing over greater responsibility for security in four West Bank cities, including Bethlehem and Ramallah, to Palestinian forces. But Israeli officials say their troops would still go into the four cities when they think it necessary. They would also continue to maintain control of roads outside them.

    The move seems aimed at boosting the position of the Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who controls the West Bank, correspondents say. But a senior Palestinian official dismissed it as a sham, and called for an end to all Israeli incursions, the Reuters news agency reported.

    Israel will partially withdraw from Qalqilya, Bethlehem, Jericho and Ramallah as well.
    Israeli forces would continue to operate in the West Bank “in order to thwart terrorist operations”, the Associated Press reported Israeli officials as saying.

    Israel has occupied the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, since 1967, settling more than 450,000 Jews in the area.


    all these concessions by the Israelis. what are they getting in return?

  136. Israel is getting pressured while Iran is getting “an open hand”. What a warped idea of diplomacy.

  137. She’s my new inspiration.

    I couldn’t believe she’d managed to write such a complex, lengthy and well-reasoned resolution while suffering from what those under treatment call chemobrain.

    The state is something like a combination of being high, drunk , on qualudes and strung out by pms all at the same time.

    I’ve posted before that the reason I decided to go back on treatment now (aside from swollen nodes pushing on my femrual artery) is coz I don’t lnow how long my insurance (earned from decades ion the urban school trenches) will cover me.

  138. A few more insights into obama’s media party…

    Obama trades jabs with White House media

    By Stephen Collinson – 1 day ago

    WASHINGTON (AFP) — Dwelling on tragedy in Iran and poking fun at his “Spock-like” ears, President Barack Obama flashed with impatience and compensating wit in a joust with White House reporters.

    Passionate when marveling at the courage of Iranian demonstrators, Obama was dismissive — “only I am the president” — when swatting away Republican attacks, and seemed a touch irritated by the more trivial questions.

    “I know everybody here is on a 24-hour news cycle. I’m not,” he said icily when explaining the measured evolution of his rhetoric on Iran, after firing off his most robust statement yet on the uprising.

    When one reporter asked: “What took you so long?” to get tough with Tehran, the normally unruffled Obama seemed irritated, his eyes narrowed, and he replied: “I don’t think that’s accurate. Track what I’ve been saying.”

    Reporters, often accused of swamping Obama with fawning press coverage, tried to interrupt the president or pose follow ups. Obama silenced several when they tried to quarrel with his answers. Maybe they were encouraged by the bruising conventions of the White House briefing room, where the press conference was held, rather than the more formal surroundings which usually host presidential encounters.

    The fourth solo White House news conference of Obama’s five-month-old presidency had been scheduled for the White House Rose Garden but was moved inside at short notice due to baking midsummer sun. Before Obama strode to the stage, some reporters and photographers all but came to blows, jostling for a spot around the walls of a room made for about 50 people, crammed with nearly 200.

    One White House press spokesman made a space for a reporter from the Huffington Post liberal website — and it was soon clear why. Obama called on him in an apparently coordinated attempt to answer a question solicited by the website from someone in Iran.

    The president waxed lyrical in evoking the “timeless dignity” of thousands of Iranians marching in silence: “Those who stand up for justice are always on the right side of history.” And he broached the video of a woman bleeding to death after being shot on an Iranian street, which has become an emblem of the protests, just as a man staring down a tank epitomized the Tiananam Square uprising.

    “It’s heart-breaking. It’s heart-breaking. And I think that anybody who sees it knows that there’s something fundamentally unjust about that.”

    At times, Obama, a talented long-form writer, appeared to exasperated with the short-term preoccupations of journalists.

    One reporter asked Obama how many cigarettes he smoked a day, referring to the long-running saga of his bid to quit — a day after he signed a law tightening curbs on cigarette makers. “I think it’s fair… to just say that you just think it’s neat to ask me about my smoking, as opposed to it being relevant to my new law. “But that’s fine. I understand. It’s a interesting human-interest story,” he said with a touch of sarcasm.

    But at other times, Obama, breaking out his famous smile, was happy to play along, ribbing a reporter who asked to follow up on a dodged query posed by a colleague: “What are you? The ombudsman for the White House press corps?”

    When the same reporter referred to the “Spock-like language” of his health plan, Obama replied: “The reference to Spock — is that a crack on my ears?”

    Later, with the pressure of the press conference out of the way, the president seemed even more relaxed.

    He was badgered by Chilean journalists into answering a question during a joint photo-op with Chile’s President Michele Bachelet in the Oval Office. Then, in what may be an unprecedented move, which trampled all over established White House protocol, the president allowed himself to be persuaded to pose with the star-struck Chilean media pack in the Rose Garden.

  139. The Drudge Report on MO had this:

    The first thing Sher said she (Michelle) told senior adviser David Axelrod, whom she has known for years: When I call, “you need to get back to me right away.”

    Ooooh. Snap.

    MO: “I need a purpose. I had one, get that useless husband of mine on the track to success, and eventually the top of the heap. But I never for one second thought about what to do with all that power. Do good for others? Nah, that can’t be it… what to do???”

  140. Everything I see about the economy is that we have had no bounce,” Buffett told CNBC anchor Becky Quick in a televised interview Wednesday. “There were a lot of excesses to be wrung out and that process is still under way, and it looks to me that it will be under way for quite awhile. In the annual report, I said that the economy would be in shambles this year and probably well beyond, and I think that is true.”

    Unemployment, said Buffett, will continue to drag the economy down. He told Bloomberg news that unemployment is “very likely to go above 10%.” About 9.4% of the population — about 14.5 million people — was unemployed in May, the last month for which statistics are available. High unemployment will continue to depress consumer demand for everything from energy to cars and homes, Buffett said.

    Buffett is a strong advocate for Obama…and his advisor!!!!!!!!!!!

  141. Clinton has put a handful of aides from her White House days into senior posts, including Cheryl Mills, her chief of staff, the Times added.


    She chooses loyalists who have relevant experience that she’s worked with on relevant projects.

    Obama chooses loyalists like Axelrod, Jarrett, etc.

  142. MO: The gift that keeps giving…

    More from that Drudge piece:

    On Jan. 14, days before the inauguration, Obama assembled her new staff in a conference room at transition headquarters for a two-hour lunch meeting. In the room was a mix of loyal campaign aides, good friends she had persuaded to leave high-paying corporate jobs, and political professionals who were virtual strangers to her. It was the first time many of the 20 or so aides had met, and the incoming first lady said she expected them to operate “at 120 percent.” All eyes were on them, she cautioned, and there was little room for error.

    Last, she exhorted her staff to find a personal balance. For her part, Obama informed them that she would practice what she preached: She did not intend to work more than 2 1/2 days a week. She was also planning to take off the month of August.

    So all this staff, and her cracking the whip demanding “120%” of others, and about 40% of herself.

    What an….inspiration.

  143. Scheiner thinks that any health reform should involve paying primary-care doctors better so they don’t have to rush through appointments to make ends meet. He says that the medical students he encounters are no longer even taught how to do a patient history and physical exam. Patients get imaging studies and lab work instead of actual work-ups. “It’s like in Star Trek where Bones had the thing he would wave up and down. They don’t even talk to patients,” he says.


    As a patient I’m a lot happier with the imaging studies.

  144. Michael Jackson Dies

    Posted Jun 25th 2009 5:20PM by TMZ Staff

    Michael JacksonWe’ve just learned Michael Jackson has died. He was 50.

    Michael suffered a cardiac arrest earlier this afternoon at his Holmby Hills home and paramedics were unable to revive him. We’re told when paramedics arrived Jackson had no pulse and they never got a pulse back.

    A source tells us Jackson was dead when paramedics arrived.

    Michael is survived by three children: Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr., Paris Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince “Blanket” Michael Jackson II.

    Jackson had 13 number one hits during his solo career.

    Story developing…

  145. The song on the article is ABC, from when Michael Jackson sang with his brothers as the Jackson 5.

  146. Good Afternoon All

    My what events have been happening.

    I got an email overnight from a young friend who works in the oil industry in Houston. He had lost his job. Now if the econly is turning around, or will be in September, and this industry appears to be recession proof, how could they be laying off people. He was not the only one.

  147. what a day…Farrah and Michael Jackson…end of an era of the 20th century…so sad…


    wbboei…O is becoming so overexposed…as we mentioned a few threads back…when bill maher is sick of seeing O on tv and talking about it, there’s a clue…one of the articles i read said the ABC event was supposed to be a 75 minute townhall and O talked (filabustered) for 60 full minutes…no wonder people are getting sick of seeing and hearing him…

  148. It’s hard to know exactly how to react to MJ’s death.

    On the one hand he was a musical icon (although I was never a fan of his voice).

    On the other hand, his life was a freakshow the last 20 years and I can only imagine how tormented he seemed to be, from bleaching his skin white to cosmetic surgery to his obsession with kids.

    I dunno- at least he went fast.

    RIP MJ.

  149. S,

    I saw a chart on some site breaking down the ABC show.
    It went something like this;

    BO-60 % of the time.
    Audience questions – 12%
    Gibson and Sawyer – 16%
    Can’t remember remaining 12%

  150. That’s the MJ I appreciated, before he descended into his own personal he11.

    That’s the authentic MJ.

    Thanks, Admin.

  151. He was so handsome before he started down the destructive path of cosemtic reconstruction.

    What a shame.

  152. So sad about Michael Jackson. I saw him in Dallas when he performed thriller. It was a great show and he was truly talented. He was so young! Farrah and Michael all in one day.

  153. admin, thanks for posting that clip of billiejean. I actually saw him perform that song, he was truly an icon.

  154. turndown, that is exactly. I don’t like doing imaging studies and that is my profession because of the ionizing radiation given indiscrimently to patients. Most physicians go by a protocol list. chest pain protocol, upper abdomen protocol and such. It includes alot of cat scans, the main source of huge amounts of radiation. They don’t care they order them.

  155. The Michael Jackson death is sure to dominate the news for a while. Politico has pictures of Jackson with Reagan and Bill Clinton.

    Michelle and Barack Obama are also sure to be furious that someone else is getting news coverage so expect them both to try and hog in on the limelight. There won’t be a single sleeve left unpulled after Michelle finds out that her big news story about her big plans has been shoved aside by a death.

  156. CONFLOYD!!!!!
    Sorry this is way off topic but I need your advice!
    My Dr., who gets irritated when I ask lots of questions, which is everytime I see her, got annoyed today when I tried to ask her about one of the intravenous meds I get and she said to the 3 nurses behind the counter, “What an a$$hole” before turning to me with dieapproval and saying, “You’ve got one minute.”
    I only know what she said to the nurses coz they were so embarrassed they apologized to me for her remarks, not relizing I hadn’t heard her.

    What should i do?????? There’s only 1 other Dr on staff at the facility. Should I confront her, first (after she gives me lab results and medical info) and let her know how friggin unprofessional she was or should i take it up with the hospital administration?

  157. “There won’t be a single sleeve left unpulled after Michelle finds out that her big news story about her big plans has been shoved aside by a death.”

    gasping with laughter!

  158. basil9 Says:

    June 25th, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    MJ, my daughter and I were just having a conversation about him a few days ago in CA. She loves him. We talked about the personal hell he must have gone through as a child. I am pretty sure, 99%, he was sexually abused along with the mental abuse performing @ such a young age. Really his whole life was torment. His animal , carnival home was an extreme example of a lost childhood.

    I don’t know if he really abused those kids…probably on some level. I actually thought he was close to asexual. He only seemed to relate to children really.

    What ever, I hope he has found the peace he so lacked here, and that now, hopefully a real adult will take his own children and raise them out of the eyes of the public, somewhere they can be free.

    By the way admin, can you find a video of Farrah?

  159. No bounce says the Oracle of Obama. But that means, uh, uh, uh no V shaped recovery.

    Goddam Orszag. He promised me a V shaped recovery. He said 1.2% contraction this year, while Wall Street said 2.8 %contraction. He said robust 3.4% recovery next year, while Wall Street said break even.

    I was not wrong. Either Buffet is wrong or Orszag is wrong, but there is no way I can be wrong. Messiahs are never wrong. I will get to the bottom of this once I figure out who stole the strawberries.

  160. From BP

    Obama’s Michael Dukakis moment

    Barack Obama got ABC to move their news division into the White House in order to make the big pitch for his egalitarian, everyone-gets-treated-equally ObamaCare push. Instead, Obama fumbled into a Michael Dukakis moment that exposed him as a hypocrite. ABC itself leads with Obama’s response that he wouldn’t stay within his own plan for his family:

    President Obama struggled to explain today whether his health care reform proposals would force normal Americans to make sacrifices that wealthier, more powerful people — like the president himself — wouldn’t face.

    The probing questions came from two skeptical neurologists during ABC News’ special on health care reform, “Questions for the President: Prescription for America,” anchored from the White House by Diane Sawyer and Charles Gibson.

    Dr. Orrin Devinsky, a neurologist and researcher at the New York University Langone Medical Center, said that elites often propose health care solutions that limit options for the general public, secure in the knowledge that if they or their loves ones get sick, they will be able to afford the best care available, even if it’s not provided by insurance.

    Devinsky asked the president pointedly if he would be willing to promise that he wouldn’t seek such extraordinary help for his wife or daughters if they became sick and the public plan he’s proposing limited the tests or treatment they can get.

    The president refused to make such a pledge, though he allowed that if “it’s my family member, if it’s my wife, if it’s my children, if it’s my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care.[“]

    Oopsie! So ObamaCare for thee, but not for me? Hope and change, baby!

    In 1988, Michael Dukakis blew a question about the death penalty when asked about whether he’d want it if his wife Kitty had been raped and murdered. Dukakis said no, but addressed it clinical legalese rather than absorbing the opportunity to address the emotional impact of violent crime, and his candidacy cratered. In this case, Obama did a reverse Dukakis. He went with the emotional argument, and effectively rebutted his own proposal and its egalitarian purpose. It’s a moment of sheer hypocrisy, caught in the modern amber of video.

    If ObamaCare isn’t good enough for Sasha, Malia, or Michelle, then it’s not good enough for America. Instead of fighting that impulse, Obama should be working to boost the private sector to encourage more care providers, less red tape and expense, and better care for everyone.

  161. Thanks for the advice, Gonzo.

    Problem is she’s the only oncologist in the area – next nearest place is an hour away. She has been good, medically, I believe, which is my main priority, and the TX had already started. I don’t wanna do all those tests again . . . and i do realize how stressful the medical field is. She was the only Dr. for the past 6 months in a facility that calls for 3. They finally got a second Dr. a couple of weeks ago.

    I’m in the country – the REAL country and medical options are limited. Do ya think if I try to clear the air with her it might helP/ i mean, I know how self-centered Doctors are. A Gastro once told me all doctors are peacocks. hehehehf

  162. Does anyone actually think that obama understands the stuff he spouts. Does he even understand his healthcare hocus pocus?

  163. Wonder how long it’ll be before Obama gets his 2 cents in, claiming Michael as “a friend”.

  164. Basil9, If you read a previous post last night about my hospital trip to the er for chest pain I had the very same treatment from a Dr. that I used to work with. He was in a bad mood. He came in and what was up because I had complained about the pain he caused me when he palpated by chest using his stethoscope. I confronted him, we bantered a few minutes and I just told him plainly that his bedside manner sucked. In the end he apologized to me and he realized he was carrying his agrevation of the from patient to patient. He had no right not to answer my question and palpate my chest to the point of pain.
    Confront the Dr., stand up to her and tell her you are a paying patient and expect to be treated with dignity. You have that right. Its called Patients rights!
    Don’t get mad or cuss the dr. out or anything, just tell him you expect better care for your money.
    I hope that helps, if not report the doctor to the AMA in your state.

  165. moon, did Al Sharpton go on a diet or something, hes lost some weight. He is still an a hole and very condesending.

    I still like his speech in 2004 and riding the donkey!

  166. I’m also guessing the ghouls out there will be drawing up plans to make as much money as possible from re-releases, greatest hits dvds, Neverland turned into the new Graceland and the inevitable film blockbuster biopic and of course, the star studded tribute concert headed by Liza and Liz.

    You know its coming. Its going to be mayhem for a few weeks.

    Rest in peace Michael, peace at last.

  167. Thanks Admin, really


    My friend Monica died of stage 3 uterine ca and quite frankly was not appropriately treated when she had bilateral breast ca. They should have done a complete hysterectomy and didn’t, and then her Gyn was ridiculously inefficient to say the least.
    Her Dr was a woman that fought her every inch of the way in regards to treatment . She @ one point told her that she should sign up for hospice and then she didn’t have to come into the office and could stay @ home in bed in her pj’s watching TV and taking pain meds…disgusting!

    That was a year before her death. 2 weeks before she died, she was up in the mountains in CO hiking, boating…I will never forget. You need someone that will fight for you and with you and give you ALL the time you need. Dump her

  168. JanH Says:

    June 25th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
    Does anyone actually think that obama understands the stuff he spouts. Does he even understand his healthcare hocus pocus?

    NO NO NO NO…Hence the teley





    I do not know how you feel about last nights fiasco, but as your boss I am obliged to tell you that I am shocked and dismayed.

    You know better than I do how hard we worked to land this plum assignment. We were honored to be chose as the network chosen by Mr Obama as the vehicle to bamboozle the public on health care–his latest policy disaster.

    I was proud of the way you rose to that challenge. George S you were a perfect shill to drum up audience interest. You lied through your teeth. Charlie you were so deferential that knee pads were in order. The lighting was perfect, the set as perfect, and we stood at the cusp of history to reform the economy.

    But when the moment of truth arrived, no one was interested. Amazingly, we finished tied for third in that covetable time slot. Third. Behind two other fiction shows, and tied with a rerun.

    What went wrong?

    Well, I have run the traps on that question, and I must tell you what I discovered whether you like it or not.

    First, let me clear the air and tell you what the problem was not. It was not our audience. They are the same audience that gave us high ratings when Charlie butchered the Palin interview.

    Let me tell you what the real problem was. The audience is sick of Bambi. This may come as a shock to some of you, since the according to the latest ABC poll is approval rate is 123% which is very high.

    If my suspicion is correct, and his popularity is declining then we must ask ourselves why. I believe it is because people are scared about what he is doing to the economy and they do not trust him.

    I feel a little bit like the former studio boss of Twentieth Century FOX. He created his own share of stars from Theda Bara to Marilyn Monroe to Gary Cooper. They all had their day in the sun. But there came a point when they lost their luster. And his job was to know when to say when. Our job is no different.

    Truth to tell, Bambi is a bore. It is the same gig over and over and over again ad infinitum ad nauesum. A year ago 70,000 people came to see him in Portland. Today you would be lucky to get 70. The man is proving himself to be Bush III, and many of his supporters are no more.

    We made Bambi a star, but his star is faded. When audiences tired of Rita Hayworth, Columbia studio boss Harry Cohen had the moxy to hire Kim Novak for those parts. As Louie B Mayer said the show must go on.

    I have decided that we need a new star as President. Someone who has the looks, the charisma and the speaking abilities of Bambi more, much more. He must also have maturity, gravitas, and a sense of be president. The kind of guy who will warn of impending doom, tell paragpeligics to stand up, and crack crude jokes.

    We need to start promoting Joe Biden. If we do that our audience will return. He will regale the with laughter and as bambi so aptly put it everyone loves Joe.

    So let me know what you think. Just remember all of our jobs are on the line if we cannot improve ratings.

  170. Does anyone actually think that obama understands the stuff he spouts. Does he even understand his healthcare hocus pocus?
    not a chance.

  171. Basil9, I just can’t get it over that this person is your oncologist. These of all doctors need to have compassion, and most don’t. They might have when they started but get hardened along the way.
    Tell her you expect respect, then report her to administration, but don’t expect administration to do much. If this doctor brings in alot of money to the institution the administration will look the other way most of the time.
    Report her to the AMA, for infringement of Patients Rights. I will look them up and try to post them for you.

  172. Daryl Zanuck was the FOX studio head. The guy who got the bloody horsehead put in his bed. In fact, Theda Bara was well before his time, and was fascinating.

  173. Basil 9, Patients Rights are listed in Wikipedia. Here is #5 that pertains to your situation.
    Respect and Nondiscrimination. Consumers have the right to considerate, respectful care from all members of the health care system at all times and under all circumstances. An environment of mutual respect is essential to maintain a quality health care system.

  174. FF was our Marilyn Monroe
    ff? who is that? I am talking about producers not directors.

  175. sorry Gonzo. I thought you were referring to my post. I see you were talking about farrah fawcett. I bet this hit Lee Majors hard. I suspect he was still in love with her long after their divorce.

  176. I hope that helps, if not report the doctor to the AMA in your state.
    The State Medical Licensing Board is usually the best place to file a complaint. In my state, every complaint has to be investigated. Self involved, self important MD need a kick in the a**. When I was in Medical School in the ’60s, the goal of medical educators was to “humanize” medicine by admitting more non-science majors to medical school. Well they were successful. I was listening to NPR a few years ago and a Professor at a NY hospital was commenting that Medicine had been humanized by graduating doctors who only cared about their life style and how much money they could make. Another myth was also exposed, in my experience, women are just as uncaring and concerned about their life style as the male MDs.



  178. Now its being reported that actor Jeff Goldblum has fallen to his death in New Zealand.

    From BP don’t have a link

  179. gonzo,

    Apparently that is just a bad rumor/hoax. The NZ police have been taking many calls but his publicists says there is no truth to it.

  180. THere will be an autopsy tomorrow, then we will find out what killed him. Friends think it was overuse of prescription pain killers.

  181. Has anyone heard of this phenomenon that seems to be more commonplace than ever before?

    People, especially those driving their cars are having thought of driving head on crossing over the yellow line into oncoming traffic. IOW- people having intermittent suicidal thoughts? I’ve heard this from 3 people today. People who you would never think reasonably capable of such thoughts.

  182. Interesting, gonzo..

    we had a conversation about it at dinner tonight. Everyone at the table said they had experienced that exact phenom recently. I posed the question to the group, because it happened to me earlier today on the way home from the landscape nursery. (never happened before and I felt strangely drawn to it like a magnet. I had to catch myself and shake it off! Then I was fine. I know strange days!)

  183. Mrs. Smith, maybe it’s the idea of one more day listening to Obama that drives those thoughts. 🙂

  184. You may have something there. admin:

    It seems to be happening to those who have figured out what Obama is all about.

    No Change and Hopelessness.

    The people with me tonight thought Obama is a waste of human skin as well as his hate filled wife. Eight people unanimously agreed they cannot stand listening to or seeing either one of them on tv or in the news.

  185. The people I’m speaking of are a mixture of Indys, Republicans and once upon a time, democrats. Something has to give way to fight the chaos happening in every corner of our lives and around the world.

  186. Do you believe there is a connection between the following:

    1. Politico article saying hillary does not have much influence on foreign policy according to unnamed sources

    2. FOX News announcement that Sidney Bluementhal–a Clinton loyalist will be coming to work and state department.

    3. Economist article saying that the State department bureaucracy is critical of Hillarys habit of surrounding herself with political loyalists

    4. Prior to the accident, Hillary and Richard Holbrooke were headed to the White House. She was obviously preoccupied. A couple days after surgery she was back at the White House. Bambi was taking hits for his refusal to speak out for democracy. He looked forlorne.

    5. Hillary has an eye for an eye view of foreign policy. Bambi has a turn the other cheek philosophy of foreign policy as we have seen. Do you really think they agree on Iran? I think she supported the students and he supported the clerics. She spoke out two days before he did. I think they differ as well on Israel.

    6. I do think they agree on diplomatic engagement with all nations. Thus I think she agrees wiht him on moving past the gunboat diplomacy and isolationism of the Bush Administration. I think the agree on Chavez et al. and many other issues.

    7. I think both of those stories were planted by Axelrod. One thing about that bastard. The campaign never ends. He is disloyal to this country. Because Americas interests transcend party lines whereas his do not.

    8. This is all guesswork. The question is whether I am reading this thing right.

  187. Good News… the Obama Special, ObamaCare was tuned out by most of America the other night.


    Looks like Rasmussen and Gallup had better rethink those crazy pumped up poll numbers reflecting Obama’s popularity..

  188. Gonzo: I sent that Bitterpolitics article on Bambis Dukakis Moment to Greta under my name and a friend of mine. My friend has been monitoring FOX, and as too often happens they missed the issue. They need to hammer him on it. His hypocracy. I have got to get a better wire to them. A friend of ours has one through Cavuto, but I would like to aim higher on the food chain. My god war makes strange bedfellows.

  189. wbb- I’m off to bed after this posting. G’night

    1. no

    2. no answer

    3. haha..

    4. she had to have been carrying a notebook or papers tucked
    in her right arm and why her elbow took the hit. She didn’t let go
    of what she was she fell on a cement floor.

    5. Bambi is doing nothing but following the script handed to him.
    Hillary is the essence of diplomacy. She always handles a situation well as our
    rep in the US. Her principles makes us proud to be who we are.

    6. I think Hillary is tentative on Chavez. Like she said, we have to be cognizant
    of their use of meetings with the US as a prime source of their propaganda.

    7. Axelrod has got to go. The man is pure evil and a detriment to the country.

    8. wbb… none of us have all the answers, the thing is, we never give up or give in-

  190. Good Morning All

    Today is going to be a busy day of doing some conversions, so I will be watching and reading. I wonder if the TV people or someone will tell O he is getting over exposed. However, I don’t think he really wants to negotiate through the good old person system. So it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

  191. Iran: Desperately Seeking Yeltsin

    By Charles Krauthammer
    Friday, June 26, 2009

    Iran today is a revolution in search of its Yeltsin. Without leadership, demonstrators will take to the street only so many times to face tear gas, batons and bullets. They need a leader like Boris Yeltsin: a former establishment figure with newly revolutionary credentials and legitimacy, who stands on a tank and gives the opposition direction by calling for the unthinkable — the abolition of the old political order.

    Right now the Iranian revolution has no leader. As this is written, opposition candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi has not appeared in public since June 18. And the Khamenei-Ahmadinejad regime has shown the requisite efficiency and ruthlessness at suppressing widespread unrest. Its brutality has been deployed intelligently. The key is to atomize the opposition. Start with the most sophisticated methods to block Internet and cellphone traffic, thanks to technology provided by Nokia Siemens Networks. Allow the more massive demonstrations to largely come and go — avoiding Tiananmen-style wholesale bloodshed — but disrupt the smaller ones with street-side violence and rooftop snipers, the perfect instrument of terror. Death instant and unseen, the kind that only the most reckless and courageous will brave.

    Terror visited by invisible men. From rooftops by day. And by night, swift and sudden raids that pull students out of dormitories, the wounded out of hospitals, for beatings and disappearances.

    For all our sentimental belief in the ultimate triumph of those on the “right side of history,” nothing is inevitable. This second Iranian revolution is on the defensive, even in retreat. To recover, it needs mass, because every dictatorship fears the moment when it gives the order to the gunmen to shoot at the crowd. If they do (Tiananmen), the regime survives; if they don’t (Romania’s Ceausescu), the dictators die like dogs. The opposition needs a general strike and major rallies in the major cities — but this time with someone who stands up and points out the road ahead.

    Desperately seeking Yeltsin. Does this revolution have one? Or to put it another way, can Mousavi become Yeltsin?

    President Obama’s worst misstep during the Iranian upheaval occurred early on when he publicly discounted the policy differences between Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Mousavi.

    True, but that overlooked two extremely important points. First, while Mousavi himself was originally only a few inches to Ahmadinejad’s left on the political spectrum — being hand-picked by the ruling establishment precisely for his ideological reliability — Mousavi’s support was not restricted to those whose views matched his. He would have been the electoral choice of everyone to his left, a massive national constituency — liberals, liberalizers, secularists, monarchists, radicals and visceral opponents of the entire regime — that dwarfs those who shared his positions, as originally held.

    Moreover, Mousavi’s positions have changed, just as he has. He is far different today from the Mousavi who began this electoral campaign.

    Revolutions are dynamic, fluid. It is true that two months ago there was little difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi. But that day is long gone. Revolutions outrun their origins. And they transform their leaders. Mikhail Gorbachev and Yeltsin both began as orthodox party regulars. They subsequently evolved together into reformers. Then came the revolution. Gorbachev could not shake himself from the system. Yeltsin rose up and engineered its destruction.

    In the 1980s, Mousavi was Ayatollah Khomeini’s prime minister, a brutal enforcer of orthodox Islamism. Twenty years later, he started out running for president advocating little more than cosmetic moderation. But then the revolutionary dynamic began: The millions who rallied to his cause — millions far to his left — began to radicalize him. The stolen election radicalized him even more. Finally, the bloody suppression of his followers led him to make statements just short of challenging the legitimacy of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and the very foundations of the regime. The dynamic continues: The regime is preparing the basis for Mousavi’s indictment (for sedition), arrest, even possible execution. The prospect of hanging radicalizes further.

    As Mousavi hovers between Gorbachev and Yeltsin, between reformer and revolutionary, between figurehead and leader, the revolution hangs in the balance. The regime may neutralize him by arrest or even murder. It may buy him off with offers of safety and a sinecure. He may well prefer to let this cup pass from his lips. But choose he must, and choose quickly. This is his moment, and it is fading rapidly. Unless Mousavi rises to it, or another rises in his place, Iran’s democratic uprising will end not as Russia 1991, but as China 1989.

  192. Isn’t it odd that the most famous black man in the world perishes and the White House says nothing?? I have heard a thing from Obama…

  193. Well Michael Jackson’s family will have to find a new cash cow now, I guess they will hit on Janet now.
    Prescription drug use is a terrible thing, we lose many by this means, rich and poor.


    Excellent expose on how Obama tries to govern, and how it isn’t working.

    June 22, 2009
    Dodge Facts, Skip Details, Govern Chicago-Style
    By Michael Barone

    We pundits like to analyze our presidents and so, as Barack Obama deals with difficult problems ranging from health care legislation to upheaval in Iran, let me offer my Three Rules of Obama.

    First, Obama likes to execute long-range strategies but suffers from cognitive dissonance when new facts render them inappropriate. His 2008 campaign was a largely flawless execution of a smart strategy, but he was flummoxed momentarily when the Russians invaded Georgia and when John McCain picked Sarah Palin as his running mate. On domestic policy, he has been executing his long-range strategy of vastly expanding government, but may be encountering problems as voters show unease at huge increases in spending.

    His long-range strategy of propitiating America’s enemies has been undercut by North Korea’s missile launches and demonstrations in Iran against the mullah regime’s apparent election fraud. His assumption that friendly words could melt the hearts of Kim Jong Il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad have been refuted by events. He limits himself to expressing “deep concern” about the election in the almost surely vain hope of persuading the mullahs to abandon their drive for nuclear weapons, while he misses his chance to encourage the one result — regime change — that could protect us and our allies from Iranian attack.

    Second, he does not seem to care much about the details of policy. He subcontracted the stimulus package to congressional appropriators, the cap-and-trade legislation to Reps. Henry Waxman and Edward Markey, and his health care program to Sen. Max Baucus. The result is incoherent public policy: indefensible pork barrel projects, a carbon emissions bill that doesn’t limit carbon emissions from politically connected industries and a health care program priced by the Congressional Budget Office at a fiscally unfeasible $1,600,000,000,000.

    He quickly announced the closing of the prison at Guantanamo Bay and now finds his administration begging the likes of Palau and Bermuda to take a few detainees off its hands. His acceptance of Arabist insistence that all problems in the Middle East can be solved by getting an Israeli-Palestinian settlement has put us in the absurd position of pressuring Israel not to expand settlements by a single square meter but pledging not to “meddle” in Iran.

    Third, he does business Chicago-style. His first political ambition was to be mayor of Chicago, the boss of all he surveyed; he has had to settle for the broader but less complete hegemony of the presidency.

    From Chicago, he brings the assumption that there will always be a bounteous private sector that can be plundered endlessly on behalf of political favorites. Hence the government takeover of General Motors and Chrysler to bail out the United Auto Workers, the proposal for channeling money from the private nonprofits to the government by limiting the charitable deduction for high earners and the plan for expanding government (and public employee union rolls) by instituting universal pre-kindergarten.

    Chicago-style, he has kept the Republicans out of serious policy negotiations but has allowed left-wing Democrats to veto a measure upholding his own decision not to release interrogation photos. While promising a politics of mutual respect, he peppers both his speeches and impromptu responses with jabs at his predecessor. Basking in the adulation of nearly the entire press corps, he whines about his coverage on Fox News. Those who stand in the way, like the Chrysler secured creditors, are told that their reputations will be destroyed. Those who expose wrongdoing by political allies, like the AmeriCorps inspector general, are fired.

    Obama entered the presidency with what seemed like supreme self-confidence. He had, after all, advanced from the Illinois state Senate to the presidency of the United States in just four years — a steeper and more rapid ascent than any president since Woodrow Wilson. The success of his long-range campaign strategy seems to have made him confident that his long-range policy strategies would work, as well.

    But transferring large segments of the American economy from the private to the public sector has proved to be tougher than winning Democratic primaries and caucuses. And Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong Il have proved to be harder to charm than American mainstream media.

    It’s generally good for American presidents to have long-term strategies. But in setting public policy, it’s important to get the details right. And in guiding the nation in a dangerous world, it’s vital to adjust to face hard realities and adjust to unexpected events.


    Another real good one from

    Obama Caught by Surprise on Iran

    By Jim Hoagland
    June 21, 2009

    WASHINGTON — The most serious challenge that Iran’s Islamic rulers have faced in their 30 years in power caught President Obama and many European leaders by surprise. Their intelligence agencies did little to prepare them for a national catharsis that now pits a combustible mixture of youthful, idealistic protesters and older political opportunists against Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

    By threatening and then delivering repression blessed by his religious authority, Khamenei has turned an election dispute into a crisis of legitimacy for a regime that claims to be divinely inspired. Obama’s decision to stay out of the limelight in responding to the protests is paying off in the sense of keeping the focus on those who cheat and maim Iranians.

    But the president and his advisers still have not adjusted policies and tactics being overtaken by events. This is clear both from the initial “caught in the headlights” reaction by Obama as he temporized — albeit with steely skill — and from accounts of diplomatic and other official sources here.

    The administration’s own words suggest that Obama is trapped in a political version of the theory of relativity — that he moves along a predetermined course that prevents him from seeing the new situation exactly as it occurs. He clings to pre-election ideas and assumptions, acting above all to keep alive the chances for a nuclear deal with any government that sits in Tehran.

    Focusing now on obtaining the highly improbable nuclear accord neglects the moral and historical dimensions of mass protest in authoritarian societies that are now vulnerable to new communications technology. Such moments release a moral energy in once-submissive populations that rulers must crush, accommodate or yield to. Whatever their ultimate choice — crushing is clearly the initial one — the ayatollahs will never be the same.

    This is not to underestimate the difficulties Obama faces, as do John McCain and other critics who accuse the president of passively accepting what Iranian dissidents rightly call President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s “coup.”

    But Obama should not have blurted out the (accurate) observation that challenger Mir Hossein Mousavi would probably not change Ahmadinejad’s foreign and nuclear policies. This is the kind of assessment that intelligence chiefs whisper to their bosses to explain that their missed call doesn’t really matter much.

    Yes, Mousavi is a man of the Islamic establishment who has brutally put down dissent himself and something of an opportunist. But if he, and his clerical allies, were unexpectedly to overcome both Ahmadinejad’s coup and Khamenei’s crackdown, those who have been in the streets would hold the new government to different, higher standards of governance and engagement with the world. Mousavi might well disappoint them. But he would then have to deal with this newly politicized population.

    Judged by what they have — and have not — said publicly, administration policymakers seem to underestimate the sense of empowerment that the demonstrations inevitably create for the protesters, especially among the young.

    The experience of witnessing three very different citizens’ uprisings in the 1980s leads me to that expectation. I saw the “people power” movement sweep aside the Marcos regime in Manila, and Solidarity emerge from nothing to whittle away Polish communist rule and the Soviet empire. The euphoria of empowerment can also quickly turn to horror, as it did in Beijing’s Tiananmen Square in 1989.

    But what remains — even from Tiananmen — are the scenes of heroism, and the acknowledgement of a population’s common humanity that rises from revolts for more dignity and freedom. To see a Chinese worker throw his bicycle — a necessary and relatively expensive possession in that day — beneath a military truck to block troops from attacking students is unforgettable. So is witnessing a parade by diplomats from the Chinese Foreign Ministry supporting the demonstrations.

    And if I have not forgotten it, neither have the Chinese people. They were changed by these events, even if their cause was suppressed by their communist rulers — and then dishonored by the acquiescence of the first Bush administration in Deng Xiaoping’s actions.

    Morality as a factor in foreign policy has taken a beating recently, due in part to George W. Bush’s sanctimonious exploitation of it. But ignoring its place altogether is also a mistake. Yes, it is not the American president’s prerogative to meddle in Iran’s protests. But neither should he prejudge or minimize the sacrifices that Iranian protesters choose to make in hopes of a better life.

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