The Meaning Of The Tea Parties: No Taxation Without Representation

Much like the British in 1773 – Big Media, Big Blogs, Dimocrats, the unhip unoriginal boor wannabees who presume themselves to be the “creative class”, Obama supporters, and the not-very-smart “intellectuals”, flattered themselves and exercised their flabby wits with bon mots and sniffed at those who attended the April 15 Tea Parties.

These boors and boobs (many, like CNN, documented in yesterday’s comments) who preen themselves with pretensions laughed at the many Americans who turned out to protest Obama bailout policy and the printing press economy. These boors and boobs yelled primaryesque “racism” and “kooks” at something that escapes their closed Hopium addled “minds”.

That many real Democrats along with Republicans and Independents oppose Obama economic policy escapes the buffoons that mock “bitter” Americans.

The many who recalled the 1773 protests, that led to overthrow of the imperialist yoke in the “new world”, by attending rallies on April 15 2009 do not feel represented by those who tax us. The many who protested on April 15, 2009 know Wall Street and bankers and the financiers are well represented by Obama and the rest of the U.S. government. The many who protested on April 15, 2009 know we are not represented by the U.S. government of Obama and the new fangled Dimocrats and the Republicans.

We Democrats who saw the Democratic “leadership” gift Obama the nomination and award non-candidate Obama delegates won in an election by Hillary Clinton understand what it is not to be represented.

Have no doubt, “bitter” Americans are well in the majority even as they desperately “cling” to the desperate “hope” that Obama economic “plans” succeed. Americans want America to do well and to get out of the current economic horror. In order to get America to do better many Americans are putting aside their common sense and crossing their fingers and wishing against reality that Obama will do well. That is the explanation for why Obama is “popular” in polls – desperation and fear.

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Americans do indeed oppose the flim-flam which is the Obama economic “plans”:

In a CNN poll taken this month by Opinion Research, more than three-quarters of Americans said that if GM and Chrysler need more government money, Washington should rebuff them. In other words, let ’em go bankrupt. That is the same thing most of the public is saying about banks and financial institutions: No more bailouts. [snip]

Do Americans think that if automobile companies went bankrupt it would cause a crisis or major problems for the economy? In December, two-thirds thought that it would. Now, not so many: 47 percent feel that it would cause a crisis or major problems, while 53 percent say it would cause minor problems or no problems at all. [snip]

Most people say if automakers need more money, Washington should say no.

Big Business has failed and Americans know government has been complicit in Big Business failures.

Actually, the people don’t trust either Big Government or Big Business. That’s why Americans don’t like the idea of bailouts: They are viewed as Big Government colluding with Big Business.

The April 15 Tea Parties were, contrary to Big Media’s narrative, a very sophisticated assessment of the current economic situation: Big Government is indeed colluding with Big Business and Americans want that to stop. Americans want the general good addressed not the desires of only Wall Street insiders and Big Business insiders. Americans know that the revolving door of insiders is taking care of other insiders.

Dimocrats, such as backstabbing Robert Reich, mock the orginal 1773 Boston Tea Party when they say “We have a patriotic duty to pay taxes.” We suppose that is better than Joe Biden’s claim that it is patriotic to pay more taxes, but not by much.

Mental midget Reich does not think “huge debts we’re wracking up” are a problem because the solution “is to get the economy growing again”. Reich does not see that the debts and deficits are growing at a faster rate than the economy is projected to grow (Obama unrealistic rosy scenarios and projections to the contrary – see Krugman, below).

Reich, like his fellow Obama Dimocrats, mocks “bitter” Americans who attended the Tea Parties. But if the Tea Parties continue to grow and repeat (let’s say on July 4) they forshadow an American revolt in the 2010 elections or even more:

They resemble nothing so much as the anti-war protests during Bush’s first term. The claim that they don’t have an organizing premise strikes me as obviously wrong: They’re anti-bailout, anti-stimulus, anti-deficit, and anti- the tax increases that will eventually be required to pay for the current spending spree, and complaining that they don’t also have a ten-point plan for reforming Medicare and Social Security reflects a misunderstanding of the nature of protest marches, I think. The claim that they’re hypocritical and partisan is a bit stronger – where were they when Bush was running up the deficit, etc. – but in fairness, many of the organizing figures were anti-TARP from the beginning, and there’s something slightly odd about saying that if you didn’t take to the streets to protests a $300 billion deficit you aren’t allowed to protest a $1 trillion deficit. The numbers matter, surely … [snip]

Still, here we are in the sixth year of the Iraq War, and all those anti-war protests, their excesses and stupidities notwithstanding, look a lot more prescient in hindsight than they did (to me, at least) when they were going on. So if you’re inclined to sneer and giggle at the Tea Parties, keep in mind that just because a group of protesters looks ragged, resentful, and naive, that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re wrong to be alarmed

Republicans who mocked anti-war protests as fringy now know better than to mock the “inchoate”. Karl Rove is already taking inventory.

This movement is significant.

In 1978, California voters enacted Prop. 13 in reaction to steep property taxes. [snip]

Derided by elitists as phony, the tea-party movement is spontaneous, decentralized, frequently amateurish and sometimes shrill. If it has a father it is CNBC’s Rick Santelli, who called for holding a tea party in Chicago on July 4. [snip]

If that anger persists, it may give Republicans a leg up in the 38 gubernatorial elections over the next two years, as well as in key state legislative races that will determine which party redraws congressional and state legislative districts after the 2010 census.

The open question is whether Republicans will be boosted by the nascent tea-party movement.

Rove’s optimism aside, Republicans are responsible too for the current economic situation and Americans will not turn to them unless Republicans begin to address their own looting of the economy as well as the current Obama looting of the economy. The Tea Parties in that respect were completely non-partisan:

Reporters didn’t have to work hard to find critics of President Barack Obama. But if they only asked, they’d have found that many in the audience were equally concerned with how the Republicans under President George W. Bush spent federal dollars like drunken sailors. Anger over the orgies of Democrat and Republican politicians feasting together has brought out the “tea party” protesters.

“What critics of this don’t understand is that we’re upset with President Obama, yes, but also upset with Bush administration bailouts, and how Obama has taken that and compounded it with all his spending,” said Mike Lennox, a real estate manager.

“Democrat, Republican, I don’t care about the excuses. What we’re tired of is all the lies and the corruption,” Lennox said.

The Tea Parties are about NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. Even dullards like Margaret Carlson understand that:

If only he stood as firm against the rulers of Wall Street who’ve held America hostage for months. Since taking office, Obama has shown a stunning willingness to spend money and not call anyone to account for breaching the few strings he’s attached.

When the bankers complained about pay restrictions imposed by Congress, the Obama administration quietly worked out a mechanism by which the banks could avoid the rules and still receive bailout money, according to a report in the Washington Post. The Treasury denied that bankers were getting any such break. [snip]

Of course, the banks have little to worry about from the stress tests. They’ll be about as indicative of their health as an examination of a 300-pound patient walking 2 miles per hour on a flat treadmill at the cardiologist’s office.

Not only that, the proctors are grading on a curve since the Financial Accounting Standards Board relaxed mark-to-market accounting rules, which require banks to assess assets each quarter to reflect market prices. The Treasury knows that actually labeling toxic assets, recently renamed “legacy” assets, at their super-discounted value would give the system a heart attack.

Obama defended his actions in an April 14 speech, saying that while it makes sense morally to go hard on the bankers, it’s not practical “because it is more likely to undermine, than to create, confidence.”

That’s because the executives have convinced the president to reward the geniuses who got us into this mess as the only ones who can get us out. [snip]

In other words, if you want kidnapped taxpayers back alive, hand over the rest of the money in unmarked bills or we’ll really ruin the economy.

Margaret Carlson is a Big Media favorite so she will not be mocked even as she describes what the Americans who attended April 15 Tea Parties understand to be the economic fact of the day: taxation without representation. It is additionally insulting that some of Obama’s most powerful and influential appointees are tax cheats.

The Tea Parties inform Obama that Taxation Without Representation will be resisted.
Former Democratic favorite Paul Krugman is now detested by the Hopium addled because he will not go into the Obama temple and drink the mind altering Hopium, nor inject Hopium, nor sell Hopium. Krugman too describes the economic real world and the Chicago Obama Hopium addicts do not like it:

Ben Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chairman, sees “green shoots.” President Obama sees “glimmers of hope.” And the stock market has been on a tear.

So is it time to sound the all clear? Here are four reasons to be cautious about the economic outlook.

1. Things are still getting worse. Industrial production just hit a 10-year low. Housing starts remain incredibly weak. Foreclosures, which dipped as mortgage companies waited for details of the Obama administration’s housing plans, are surging again.

The most you can say is that there are scattered signs that things are getting worse more slowly — that the economy isn’t plunging quite as fast as it was. [snip]

2. Some of the good news isn’t convincing. The biggest positive news in recent days has come from banks, which have been announcing surprisingly good earnings. But some of those earnings reports look a little … funny. [snip]

3. There may be other shoes yet to drop. Even in the Great Depression, things didn’t head straight down. There was, in particular, a pause in the plunge about a year and a half in — roughly where we are now. But then came a series of bank failures on both sides of the Atlantic, combined with some disastrous policy moves as countries tried to defend the dying gold standard, and the world economy fell off another cliff.

Can this happen again? Well, commercial real estate is coming apart at the seams, credit card losses are surging and nobody knows yet just how bad things will get in Japan or Eastern Europe. We probably won’t repeat the disaster of 1931, but it’s far from certain that the worst is over.

4. Even when it’s over, it won’t be over. [snip]

Don’t be surprised if unemployment keeps rising right through 2010.

Those who attended the Tea Parties were diverse just as the economic catastrophe is diverse.

There were more left wing crazies protesting everyone there by calling their fellow Americans “rascist” for oppsosing massive multi-trillion dollar spending with little appearance of oversight or sense of where the money was going, other than bailing out a vast nebulous black hole of toxic assets at 100% to the dollar!

There were men, women, Democrats, Independents, Republican, Libertarians, gays, straights, Black and White, Latino and Asian, Young and Old, Urbanites and Suburbanites and Ruralites. It was a rainbow coalition of Americans who were fed up depending on who you were talking to.

Just as tea comes in many flavors and kinds, and from many countries – the demographics, politics, and the reasons for those attending the tea parties had many flavors and origins. But tea comes from one species of plant and the Tea Parties of April 15, 2009 came from a single, very American principle.

That very American principle is: Taxation Without Representation Is Tyranny.

Most Americans do not bow before tyrants nor the corrupt.

Many Americans are now beginning to resist taxation without representation – whether by Bush W. Republicans or B. Obama Dimocrats.

Big Media and Big Blogs may scoff at the Tea Parties, but the British scoffed too.


91 thoughts on “The Meaning Of The Tea Parties: No Taxation Without Representation

  1. If the Republicans are on the ball, then they will run against Obama as the scion of big media. At the media and message level, they will remind the public that Obama was “not aware” of the protests, and his partners in crime CNN and MSNBC mocked people when they exercised rights guaranteed under the first amendment, and raised legitimated objections to the black hole of national debt the dims are creating for them and their grandchildren. What the Republicans lacked in the last election namely a ground game competitive with the hitlerjuegen that supported Obama may grow out of these protests, provided they had the discipline and organization to follow up. I disagree with the media characterizations of these protests as Republican inspired, however I do think these people are a natural constituency for them if-once again they know how to capitalize of it.

  2. Bravo, admin! The tea parties are a very diverse group, and they all don’t agree on every issue, or what the solutions are.

    But they do agree that our GOVERNMENT (not the Dims, or the Repubs, but the entire GOVERNMENT) is out of control, looting the taxpayer, filled with bankster cronyism, and thumbing their noses at the People while they loot our pockets, our future, and our liberties. The fact that a few Republicans will try to piggyback onto that movement for their own political gain is a given, and the People are savvy enough to know that, and scoff at it. We are not defending them – whatever their agenda is, we don’t care. We are defending US.

  3. I don’t think they were “Republican inspired” either. I do think though that many Republicans took advantage of the “tea party” forum to push their agendas as well as lure the disenchanted to their party, both media, politicians and repub supporters. I also think that forums like this are ripe for the extreme fringe element of society, hence the lunatic who held up the obama hitler-esque sign and couldn’t explain why he thought obama was a fascist, just kept saying that he was over and over again. Of course cnn glammed onto him right away.

    The theme of hear no evil, see no evil is rampant with the dims and obama when it comes to accepting criticism.

    I will never trust the republicans. To me a third party, rising from the embers of the democratic mess is the only answer.

  4. Taxation without representation is what it is. Taxation can occur in the form of a levy upon income–congress can control abuse of that kind through legislation. The more difficult problem is the form of hidden taxation which occurs when bureacrats who are not elected by the people inflate the money supply causing inflation. That form of taxation is equally pernicious, and that is what the Obama people are resorting to as well, to reward cronies and pay for pork spending.

  5. Obwma must have ordered the switch pulled on Hillarys Townhall broadcast.Site is down .Executive order perhaps,broadcast problems,or just plain down and dirty jealousy.All of the above are relevant…

    What could have been is so evident.Do not let her get away America.There has never been a better woman for the CIC and it may be years before another emerges.

    By ABM90

  6. ABM90,

    First the “sex line” mistake and now this? Definitely seems like sabatoge to me. Either that or complete incompetence on the part of white house techs.

    Can I assume that obama and his idiot-stringed telepromper are together again on this trip of his???

  7. Another bullseye, admin!

    BTW, the current estimate of the Tea Party attendees is over half a million!

  8. Sorry for the length but I wanted to share a portion of my TEA Party protest in the local paper.
    Scroll by if it’s too long for you.

    When CNBC’s Rick Santelli performed his infamous anti-mortgage entitlement expansion rant on the Feb. 19 Squawk Box Show calling for a July 4th Tea Party style protest, he never could have predicted the impact his words would have on a nation full of irate taxpayers.
    Santelli had touched a nerve, expressing what millions of Americans were thinking.
    But people weren’t willing to wait until July
    They were already reeling from the $780 billion bailout of Lehman Brothers, Bear Sterns, Morgan Stanley, Citibank and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    The $870 billion Stimulus Package had passed.

    The $450 billion Omnibus Bill to fund government agencies for the rest of the current fiscal year was on the table.

    A $3.5 trillion spending bill was well on its way to becoming law.

    $12.3 Billion had been spent in just six months, first under a Republican Administration, now under a Democratic one and there was a growing consensus the government was mortgaging the country’s future.

    So while Santelli’s unscripted from-the-gut rage at what some have characterized as generational theft may have provided the impetus for the grassroots movement which culminated in Wednesday’s nationwide rallies, the anger had been simmering for a months.

    Taxed-Enough-Already (TEA) protests, an internet-based initiative cutting across party lines started cropping up, driven mostly by people across the country who had never engaged in local activism before.

    On April 15th, there were over 700 rallies in 50 states and according to PMTV, the estimated turnout was over 200,000.

    Among the largest crowds were 25,000 in Sacramento, 20,000 in Atlanta, 12,500 in NYC, 10,000 in Nashville and 3000 in Albany.

    Protest slogans ranged from the clever to the comical, the angry to the sarcastic.
    Give me Liberty, not Debt. Pillage and Plunder: At Least the Vikings did it Openly. Bailouts, Stimulus, and Pork. Oh My! We the People…are now owned by the Chinese. I’ll keep my freedom, you keep the Change. Housing is not an Entitlement. Wall Street got a bailout and all I got was the bill.
    The sheer scope of government spending is so mindboggling dozens of imaginative analogies have sprung up helping people wrap their minds around exactly how much a trillion dollars is.
    ‘A stack of a trillion one-dollar bills would reach 68,000 miles in space.’
    ‘If you spent $1 million dollars a day from the day Jesus was born until now, you would only have spent about three quarters of a trillion.’
    ‘A million seconds is 11.5 days. A billion seconds is 32 years. A trillion seconds is 32,000 years.’
    The national outrage has not been lost on Durham and last night they held their version of a TEA protest at the Shamrock House, sponsored by the Durham Republican Committee.

  9. Clinton pledges long-term support for Haiti’s recovery

    US pegs $302m for job creation, hurricane relief

    Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton vowed long-term US support to ”give the future back to the people of Haiti.”

    By Jonathan M. Katz
    Associated Press / April 17, 2009

    PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti – US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton assured Haitians yesterday that the latest aid from America is not just a short-term fix for a country still struggling from last year’s devastating storms and grinding poverty that is among the worst in the world. Clinton told reporters after riding in her motorcade through the pothole-strewn roads of the capital, Port-au-Prince, that she and President Obama have a shared goal of creating jobs and ensuring stability in a country that has had little of either in recent years. “The president and I had an excellent conversation reiterating what is his great hope: that he will see progress begun and finished to give the future back to the people of Haiti,” she said at a news conference inside the National Palace.

    The United States, Haiti’s largest benefactor, pledged $50 million in new aid at a donors conference Tuesday in Washington, bringing the American total for the year to $302 million. In all, the international donors conference raised $324 million for Haiti despite entreaties from UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon; Bill Clinton, the former president; and others that $600 million more is needed for economic development and hurricane recovery.

    Secretary Clinton, at a joint news conference with Haiti’s president, René Préval, said the US commitment to Haiti goes beyond what emerged at the donors conference.
    “When we start to build roads, we must finish the roads. When we start to help farmers once again make their land rich and cultivatable, we want to be sure they harvest their crops,” she said. Préval said Haiti is grateful for the foreign assistance, which makes up about 60 percent of the government’s budget, but said his country must become self-reliant.

    Clinton, who is stopping in Haiti and neighboring Dominican Republic en route to the Summit of the Americas in Trinidad, also planned to visit a clothing factory that could benefit from a trade deal with the United States intended to spur Haiti’s dormant textile industry and create jobs. Préval welcomed Obama’s recent decision to ease travel restrictions for Cuban-Americans visiting Cuba and said he hoped Havana, which was not invited to the Summit of the Americas, can attend the next one.

    The secretary of state’s visit is occurring at yet another crucial time for Haiti. The country has not recovered from last year’s food riots or from four storms that killed nearly 800 people and caused $1 billion in damage. Political tensions also are running high ahead of Sunday’s long-delayed Senate elections: Some parties that have been disqualified from running have threatened to disrupt the balloting.

  10. Obama saying he knows nothing of these tea-parties, and the media at large trying to bury and marginalize the anger, only isolates Obama from the mood of the country. Even Frank Rich wrote a few months back about a populist rage that’s building. Obama’s sensitive ears won’t hear any of this, however. In the long run he’s setting himself up for a major crash and he won’t know what hit him. Look at this brief clip from “Austin Powers:” I think it’s the perfect representation of where Obama and the nation are at this moment. That security guard in the clip is Obama and the populace are driving that steamroller.

  11. Clinton Says U.S. Takes ‘Serious Look’ at Cuban Offer on Talks

    By Matthew Walter

    April 17 (Bloomberg) — Secretary of State Hillary Clinton welcomed Cuban President Raul Castro’s willingness to hold talks on political rights in the communist country and said the U.S. is studying his offer. “We have seen Raul Castro’s comments,” Clinton told reporters in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, before holding a town hall meeting with local residents. “We welcome this overture. We’re taking a very serious look at it.”

    Castro said in Venezuela yesterday that Cuba has sent word to the U.S. privately and in public “that we are willing to discuss everything — human rights, freedom of the press, political prisoners.” The prospect of warming relations between the U.S. and Cuba came after President Barack Obama moved to lift some restrictions on travel and remittances to the island and to allow American communications companies such as AT&T Inc. to establish service to the nation. Obama didn’t remove a 47-year- old embargo on most trade with Cuba.

    Obama will arrive today in Trinidad and Tobago for the Fifth Summit of the Americas, where Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has said he will advocate for eliminating the U.S. embargo on Cuba, the only nation not invited to the meeting of 34 hemisphere leaders. Chavez has also threatened to withhold his support for the summit’s draft resolution.

    The change in the U.S.’s travel and remittances policy was “a show of good faith on the part of the United States that we want to recast our relationship,” Obama said yesterday at a news conference in Mexico City. “Now a relationship that effectively has been frozen for 50 years is not going to thaw overnight.”

    Former Cuban President Fidel Castro said his country doesn’t represent a threat to U.S. security and is open to talks with its neighbor. “We don’t fear dialogue, nor do we need to invent enemies, and we don’t fear debating ideas,” Castro, 82, said yesterday in a “reflection” sent via e-mail. “We believe in our convictions and with them we have defended and will continue to defend our homeland.”

    The U.S. has maintained a trade embargo against Cuba since 1962, when Castro expropriated the land of U.S. citizens and companies. In recent years, U.S. farmers have been allowed to export goods to the island, opening a new market. Cuba was the 10th biggest market for U.S. corn from September through February, according to the U.S. Agriculture Department. Cuban leaders have blamed the embargo for the Caribbean nation’s economic and social problems.

  12. Re Tea Parties, Cinie has got an interesting blog entry at

    She’s done good research and makes a very strong case for the Tea Party movement being deliberately seeded by the GOP.

    I’m not so sure that matters. PUMA has been accused of that from its beginnings. We know PUMA began spontaneously at RD in June 2008. The name ‘PUMA’ told the story and spread; so does the name ‘Tea Party’, regardless of when and by whom it was invented.

    I’m a little leery of Tea Party because I don’t want to be taken as supporting the GOP (unless Palin were leading the rally). But even if the GOP did set it off, and even if it did appeal mostly to GOP voters — the opposition to all the spending and to Obama is real and valid.

    I’m not sure PUMA has much room to throw stones….

  13. Secretary Clinton Announces $12.5 Million to Improve Dominican Public Schools Teaching

    SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic, April 17 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton announced a $12.5 million dollar expansion of the U.S. Agency for International Development’s (USAID) Effective School Program during a visit to the Rosa Duarte Public Elementary School in the Dominican Republic.
    This new five-year $12.5 million dollar increase in the USAID Effective School Program will allow an additional 450 public schools to access a full range of programming in reading, writing, math, and school administration. This project is fully supported by the Ministry of Education and will be implemented by USAID partner Pontificia Universidad Catolica Madre y Maestra (PUCMM).

    The Effective School Program will train first through fourth grade teachers in improved methodologies and better use of available materials and classroom time. Additionally, it supports improved school management by increasing the capacity of school administrators and the community to participate in the shared responsibility of educating children.

    During the visit, Secretary Clinton, accompanied by the Dominican Minister of Education, Melanio Paredes and PUCMM Rector, Monsignor Agripino Nunez Collado, and School Principal Sister Victoria Reyes toured the school facilities. The Secretary had the opportunity to meet with teachers and students and important local authorities.

    During the initial implementation of the activity, USAID provided for training of more than 3,000 teachers, principals, Dominican Ministry staff, and trainers have been trained and there now exists higher quality math and reading instruction in more than 200 schools, benefiting more than 90,000 students.

    Carly Esther Peralta, a second grade student, read a story to Secretary Clinton. This story will be included in the next edition of the Suenos, Fantasias y Mas Storybook published by the program.


    I can’t believe how busy this amazing woman is. Hillary rocks!!!

  14. Re Tea Parties. Sorry I’m not very clear today.

    What matters is how many people turn out for the rallies, and what they say — now and in future.

    Where the term started is important only if accusations about it can discourage people from turning out (or bring out the wrong people).

  15. I agree with Hillary’s statements on Cuba, but I have grown up in South Florida and it would be disingenuous to ignore the millions of Cubans Castro and his regime have persecuted. Today, many still rot in Cuban jails and basic human rights are ignored. We can open dialogue but must not forget the brutality of this regime. In fact, we almost had a nuclear war , which thankfully, a competent Kennedy handled very well imo(The Bay Of Pigs is another story).

  16. jbstonesfan,

    I agree. I think that is why the embargo is still in effect. I also think Hillary will fight hard for Cuba to readdress it’s human rights history and clean up it’s act.

  17. DYB Says:

    April 17th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
    I’m glad to see the relations between the US and Cuba thawing. Let’s hope it continues!

    Not till Castroi s dead and buried.

  18. Mrs. Smith Says:

    April 17th, 2009 at 1:53 am
    djia Says:

    I don’t think any third party using “democrat” in its name has a shred of a chance……sorry to say

    I always liked “The American Party”

  19. found this at MM site

    BREAKING GOOD NEWS!! Janet Napolitano is being sued!!
    The Thomas More Law Center, a national public interest law firm based in Ann Arbor, Michigan, announced today that it has filed a federal lawsuit against Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano. The lawsuit claims that her Department’s “Rightwing Extremism Policy,” as reflected in the recently publicized Intelligence Assessment,“Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment,” violates the civil liberties of combat veterans as well as American citizens by targeting them for disfavored treatment on account of their political beliefs.
    The lawsuit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan on behalf of nationally syndicated conservative radio talk show host Michael Savage, Gregg Cunningham (President of the pro-life organization Center for Bio-Ethical Reform, Inc (CBR)), and Iraqi War Marine veteran Kevin Murray. The Law Center claims that Napolitano’s Department (DHS) has violated the First and Fifth Amendment Constitutional rights of these three plaintiffs by attempting to chill their free speech, expressive association, and equal protection rights. The lawsuit further claims that the Department of Homeland Security encourages law enforcement officers throughout the nation to target and report citizens to federal officials as suspicious rightwing extremists and potential terrorists because of their political beliefs.

  20. as well as this.

    Senators to Napolitano: Show us the data
    By Michelle Malkin • April 17, 2009 12:58 PM

    Senators Coburn, Brownback, DeMint, Burr, Murkowski, Inhofe, and Vitter sent the following letter to DHS Secretary Napolitano yesterday concerning the DHS conservative hit job:

    April 16, 2009

    The Honorable Janet Napolitano
    The Department of Homeland Security
    310 7th street, S.W.
    Washington, DC 20528-0150


    Dear Secretary Napolitano,

    We write today concerning the release of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) report titled “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment” prepared by the Extremism and Radicalization Branch, of the Homeland Environment Threat Analysis Division.

    While we agree that we must fight extremists who are both foreign and domestic we are troubled by some of the statements your department included as fact in the report titled above, without listing any statistical data to back up such claims.

    First, your report states that “Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to rightwing extremists…” without listing any data to support such a vile claim against our nation’s veterans.

    Second, the report states that the millions of Americans who believe in the Second Amendment are a potential threat to our national security. Why? Do you have statistics to prove that law-abiding Americans who purchase a legal product are being recruited by so-called hate groups?

    Thirdly, the report states that those that believe in issues such as pro-life legislation, limited government, and legal versus illegal immigration are potential terrorist threats. We can assure you that these beliefs are held by citizens of all races, party affiliation, male and female, and should not be listed as a factor in determining potential terror threats. A better word usage would be to describe them as practicing their First Amendment rights.

    Also, you list those that bemoan the decline of U.S. stature and the loss of U.S. manufacturing capability to China and India as being potential rightwing extremists. We would suggest that the millions of Americans who have lost their jobs in the manufacturing industry to foreign countries are not potential terror threats, but rather honest Americans worried about feeding their families and earning a paycheck.

    In closing, we support the mission of DHS in protecting our country from terror attacks and are proud of the many DHS employees who make this possible in conjunction with our state and local law enforcement. We ask that DHS not use this report as a basis to unfairly target millions of Americans because of their beliefs and the rights afforded to them in the Constitution. We also ask that you provide us with the data that support the unfair claims listed in the report titled above and to present us with the matrix system used in collecting and analyzing this data?

    Finally, we look forward to your prompt reply and we offer our assistance to DHS in our shared effort to fight terrorism both home and abroad by using data that is accurate and independent of political persuasion.


    U.S. declares warming gases are health threat
    Obama administration move is aimed at prodding lawmakers to regulate

    updated 11:18 a.m. CT, Fri., April 17, 2009

    WASHINGTON – Having received White House backing, the Environmental Protection Agency declared Friday that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases are a significant threat to human health and thus will be listed as pollutants under the Clean Air Act — a policy the Bush administration rejected.

    “This finding confirms that greenhouse gas pollution is a serious problem now and for future generations,” EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson said in a statement.

    The move could allow the EPA to regulate greenhouse gases, but it’s more likely that the Obama administration will use the action to prod Congress to pass regulations around a system to cap and then trade emissions so that they are gradually lowered.

    Indeed, the EPA emphasized that the congressional route was preferred to EPA regulation. “Both President (Barack) Obama and Administrator Jackson have repeatedly indicated their preference for comprehensive legislation to address this issue and create the framework for a clean energy economy,” the EPA said in its statement.

    The EPA last month sent its proposal to the White House Office of Management and Budget, which reviewed and approved it. By law, the decision includes a 60-day public comment period before being finalized.


  22. Senators to Napolitano: Show us the data
    By Michelle Malkin • April 17, 2009 12:58 PM

    Senators Coburn, Brownback, DeMint, Burr, Murkowski, Inhofe, and Vitter sent the following letter to DHS Secretary Napolitano yesterday concerning the DHS conservative hit job:

    Napolitano and DHS WERE WRONG….anybody from ANY PARTY who agrees with their policy can JUST STUFF IT!!!!!!

    She should resign!!!!!!

  23. found this at MM site

    BREAKING GOOD NEWS!! Janet Napolitano is being sued!!…

    The Thomas More Law Center, a national public interest law firm based in Ann Arbor, Michigan, announced today that it has filed a federal lawsuit against Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano. The lawsuit claims that her Department’s “Rightwing Extremism Policy,” as reflected in the recently publicized Intelligence Assessment,“Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment,” violates the civil liberties of combat veterans as well as American citizens by targeting them for disfavored treatment on account of their political beliefs.
    The lawsuit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan on behalf of nationally syndicated conservative radio talk show host Michael Savage, Gregg Cunningham (President of the pro-life organization Center for Bio-Ethical Reform, Inc (CBR)), and Iraqi War Marine veteran Kevin Murray. The Law Center claims that Napolitano’s Department (DHS) has violated the First and Fifth Amendment Constitutional rights of these three plaintiffs by attempting to chill their free speech, expressive association, and equal protection rights. The lawsuit further claims that the Department of Homeland Security encourages law enforcement officers throughout the nation to target and report citizens to federal officials as suspicious rightwing extremists and potential terrorists because of their political beliefs.

  24. djia Says:

    April 17th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
    as well as this.

    Senators to Napolitano: Show us the data



  25. Friday, April 17, 2009

    Taxes & Tyranny [Jonah Goldberg]

    Amidst all of the hooplah, I’ve heard a lot of complaints from liberals. Here are the most frequent complaints and my responses.

    1. All of this tyranny talk is overheated and idiotic.

    Well, some of it surely is. But look: According to that Reason video I posted below, Americans work an average of 103 days a year just to pay their taxes. If you had to work 365 days a year to pay your taxes, that would be a kind of slavery or indentured servitude, because all of your productive labor would be going to the government. You would have no resources of your own to provide for the life you wanted. Instead the government would provide you not with what you want, but what the government decides you need.

    That sounds like a kind of tyranny to me.

    And, I think if we had to work 364 days a year it would still be a kind of serfdom (after all, serfs were allowed a little plot of their own). Ditto 363 days, 362 days, 361 days etc. Now, at some point the difference of degree becomes a difference in kind; working one day a year to pay for the government doesn’t sound oppressive to me. But it seems to me that it’s hardly absurd to think that 103 days a year is too much, or to believe that if that number goes even higher, we’re losing something important.

    I would also add that it’s sort of crazy for liberals to equate government hand-outs (positive liberty, FDR’s economic bill of rights, and all that) with “freedom” but to equate the desire to keep more of the money you make yourself with greed and oppression of some kind. Money does make all sorts of liberties possible (you have to pay for your megaphone and all that). But government money only pays for the “liberties” the government thinks you should have, and therefore it can determine how you exercise them. That turns liberties into privileges dispensed at the whim of the state.

    2. The original tea parties were about taxation without representation, today’s spending is the result of Democrats winning elections, so it’s taxation with representation.

    There’s some fairness to this objection. But one response would be that Democrats are tripling the debt, which means that generations of Americans not yet born will be taxed to pay for spending today. That is a kind of taxation without representation.

    A second, more political than philosophical objection, would be that today’s spending is being achieved under false pretenses. Obama says he’s spending this money to fix a crisis, but much of his spending has nothing to do with the crisis but with shopworn liberal action items. However, since Obama campaigned on many of these items, I don’t think it amounts to taxation without representation. But it does seem like the sort of duplicity worth a protest or two.

    3. These protests are unpatriotic astroturfing by plutocrats.

    So much for “dissent is the highest form of patriotism”!

    I find it sort of amazing that when groups like ANSWER, a Mos Eisley cantina of America-hating nut cases, take to the streets it’s a full-flowering of democracy in action. When ACORN pays their ragamuffins to protest, or when Rainbow/PUSH shakes down businesses through racial extortion, it’s the sort of direct democratic action Thomas Paine dreamed of. And when labor unions pay people to protest, it’s populist. But when a bunch of independent Americans, talk-show hosts, and email campaigners organize hundreds of protests around the country, it’s astroturfing.

    4. Republicans are hypocrites for suddenly caring about deficits.

    Well, maybe. But then so are liberals for suddenly not caring about deficits. (That part always gets left out.)

    Moreover, I don’t get it. Republicans didn’t care enough about the deficit when it went up a “little” under Bush (to pay for a war), therefore they can’t complain when Obama sends it through the stratosphere (to pay for socialized medicine)? How does that work? If my wife spends too much on a shopping trip, does that mean she can’t complain if I lose our house on a trip to Vegas?

    5. The populist anger out there is the real face of America’s homegrown fascism.

    Sigh. While I think Rick Perry’s secession talk is idiotic and unfortunate (even accounting for Texas’s unique history), I am at a loss as to how any of this stuff smacks of fascism. Even Perry is talking in the context of the federal government doing too much, taking away too much liberty, getting too involved in local communities, and interfering too much with the individual.

    How do I say this so people will understand? Fascism isn’t a libertarian doctrine! It just isn’t, never will be, and it can’t be cast as one. Anarchism, secessionism, extreme localism, or rampant individualism may be bad, evil, wrong, stupid, selfish, and all sorts of other things (though not by my lights). But they have nothing to do with a totalitarian vision of the state where individuals and institutions alike must march in step and take orders from the government.

    If you think shrinking government and getting it less involved in your life is a hallmark of tyranny it is only because you are either grotesquely ignorant or because you subscribe to a statist ideology that believes the expansion of the state is the expansion of liberty.


    Good read i got from Bitterpolitiz

  26. djia Says:

    April 17th, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    Anything not to talk about the TEA PARTY’S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It won’t work!

  27. Jesus Missing From Obama’s Georgetown Speech

    White House asked university to cover symbol


    Updated 4:04 AM EDT, Fri, Apr 17, 2009

    Related Topics: Barack Obama | The White House

    A symbol of Jesus was apparently blacked out behind President Barack Obama during his Georgetown speech.

    Amidst all of the American flags and presidential seals, there was something missing when President Barack Obama gave an economic speech at Georgetown University this week — Jesus.

    Religious Symbol Cover-Up Fuels Fire Online

    Watch VideoA decision to cover up a symbol of Jesus for the president’s speech at Georgetown is upsetting many.
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    The White House asked Georgetown to cover a monogram symbolizing Jesus’ name in Gaston Hall, which Obama used for his speech, according to

    The gold “IHS” monogram inscribed on a pediment in the hall was covered over by a piece of black-painted plywood, and remained covered over the next day, reported.

    The Washington Times’ Belief Blog asked the university about the presidential request:

    Julie Bataille from the university’s press office e-mailed me that the White House had asked that all university signage and symbols behind the stage in Gaston Hall be covered.

    “The White House wanted a simple backdrop of flags and pipe and drape for the speech, consistent with what they’ve done for other policy speeches,” she wrote. “Frankly, the pipe and drape wasn’t high enough by itself to fully cover the IHS and cross above the GU seal and it seemed most respectful to have them covered so as not to be seen out of context.”

    While the “IHS” directly behind where Obama spoke was covered over, said the monogram was still visible in 26 other places in the hall during his speech. Those areas just weren’t as prominent.

    The Belief Blog talked with the Rev. Thomas Reese, a senior fellow at the Woodstock Institute at Georgetown University, who said he didn’t think “this is motivated by theology, but by communications strategy.”

    The blog also talked with Catholic University spokesman Victor Nakas, who felt a bit more strongly on the subject:

    “I can’t imagine, as the bishops’ university and the national university of the Catholic Church, that we would ever cover up our religious art or signage for any reason,” Mr. Nakas wrote. “Our Catholic faith is integral to our identity as an institution of higher education.”

    When will it be conveniently leaked that the Fraud is really a Black Muslim….? Can you imagine any other President that could get away with this and touring the World denigrating America? This is not the America i was born and raised in.

  28. gonzotx

    There is another story i read where the obama camp is denying the request to cover the religious art.

    where have we heard that before???

  29. gonzotx,

    I read about the “cover-up.” It was probably just a “me” moment for the wannabe messiah. Not enough room for the two of them in the picture…

  30. That pic of Obama and Chavez is disturbing….what’s next, BOgiving the “bro” handshake to Ahmadinejad .
    I am convinced more than ever BO is willing to sell out our country and our allies , to promote his agenda . I am also convinced that he (and therefore the USA) is on a direct collision course with Israel, and that Israel will have no choice but to go it alone and hit Iran. I will never forgive the 77% of my fellow Jews who voted for a Muslim friendly POTUS, who will do everything in his power to coerce more concessions(i.e land) despite the fact that none of Israel’s prior concessions have made her any safer. When the missiles/bombs start hitting Tehran, it is going to be a very scary time for all of us.

  31. I understand what Hillary is trying to accomplish. I just don’t understand why they let bambi out of the nursery to sabotage all her hard work.

    His photo-ops with terrorists and dictators and his giving away the farm moments will leave permanent damage.

  32. I wonder how much of this love thine enemies and hate thine friends stuff of Obamas that Hillary buys into at this point. I do not think these little stunts impress anybody. Nor do I think they buy him votes. I honestly think this kind of grandstanding hurts him. I will tell you the reasoning behind this however, and why he is doing this. It has nothing to do with what is good for the people of the United States and everything to do with the global capitalists who own him. As in the days of Lucky Luciano and Myer Lansky global elites see business opportunities in that venue which they are keen to exploit.

  33. wbboei: I believe we are on the same page of this obowma observation as he stays in the air calling on the small black countries hispanic spots that are vulnerable and looking for a leader for their new world order.Ignoring Hillary,s advice of meeting with lower level players before any negotiations take place.He has a burrow here in the oval office to use as the base for his goal as emperor jones of the worlds blacks and a cohort of greedy and evil world money giants that are trying to control and bury us.Obowman is his name and Empowerment is his game.

    By ABM90 Hillary is doing just fine as SOS and she will act when it is time to strip the emperor of his phoney clothes.

  34. Well I remember the great celectial choirs with Russia, and how great it was that they were now a Captialistic country. I had hard time believing that anything had changed. Looking at Russia now, I really don’t see a Democracy there, but we wanted to believe it. The same appears true now with these other countries he is trying to mead the fence with. We want to beleive that these nations have changed, with no evidence that they have. I guess time will tell us again. However, I will not hold my breath.

  35. Iran jails journalist as US spy…

    An Iranian-American journalist branded a US spy has been jailed for eight years by Iran after a brief trial held behind closed doors. Roxana Saberi, 31, who was arrested in January and went on trial this week, denies the charge and plans to go on hunger strike, her father said.

    Ms Saberi once worked for the BBC and has also worked for the US broadcasters NPR radio and Fox News. The BBC voiced extreme concern at the “severe” sentence.

    The journalist originally faced the less serious accusation of buying alcohol, and later of working as a journalist without a valid press card. Then, in a period of less than two weeks, the charge of spying was introduced, and she was tried by the Revolutionary Court and sentenced. No evidence of espionage was made public.

    Ms Saberi’s lawyer Abdolsamad Khorramshahi and her father confirmed that an appeal would be made. The case is bound to have serious implications for relations between Iran and the US at a time when President Barack Obama has been reaching out to the Islamic Republic, the BBC’s Jon Leyne reports from Tehran.

    Even before the trial began, the US state department described the charge of spying as baseless and called for her release, and US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has demanded her release.

    Reza Saberi told NPR radio that his daughter was “weak and frail”, and was accusing Iranian officials of having coerced and deceived her into making statements she later denied. “She is quite depressed and wants to go on hunger strike,” he said, adding that he was trying to persuade her against doing so. He himself was not allowed to attend the trial and he said that Mr Khorramshahi had not been allowed to argue the case for the defence properly.

    “We are extremely concerned at the severe sentence passed on Roxana Saberi,” the BBC Press Office said. “Roxana was tried in secret and no evidence of espionage has been made public. Roxana’s many friends in the BBC are saddened by the decision and are thinking of Roxana and her family at this difficult time.”
    This is a very tough sentence, even for the serious charge of spying, our correspondent says.

    Iran’s authorities have not even given details of the charges against her, he notes. Public awareness of Ms Saberi’s situation is low in Iran, where local media do not seem to have reported her arrest or trial in any way, our correspondent says. Ms Saberi was said to be careful about her public image in Iran. A US-Iranian national, Ms Saberi has spent six years in Iran studying and writing a book. The daughter of an Iranian father and a Japanese mother, she was once crowned Miss North Dakota and was among the top 10 finalists in Miss America 1998. She holds two master’s degrees, from Northwestern University in the US and from Cambridge University in the UK, and is currently studying for a third.

    In March, President Obama recorded a video message in which he offered a “new beginning” to Iran and its people.


    and this is a regime that bambi wants to break bread with.

  36. April 17, 2009 1:38 PM

    Clinton Emphasizes Unity In Digital Town Hall

    By Brent Lang

    Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton today took the concept of her listening tours online with a “Digital Town Hall of the Americas” held live from the Dominican Republic. But it did not go without a hitch. Though a press release announcing the question and answer session touted the social media technology used to broadcast the event as a “robust information resource,” streaming video was frequently marred by technical difficulties. Clinton’s opening remarks and responses to questions were interrupted by prolonged stretches of blank screen or an offline signal.

    When the world was able to tune into Clinton, it saw a diplomat eager to emphasize a new direction in American foreign policy — one based on cooperation and mutual understanding. In her introduction and responses to a handful of questions, Clinton stressed the United States wanted to work with South and Central American nations to combat drug trafficking, reduce poverty, and curb greenhouse gas emissions. Clinton emphasized that there are ties of culture and geography that bind the Western Hemisphere together and will help neighboring countries address threats to their security and prosperity. “Whether we are from South America, Central Amrica, North America, or the Caribbean, we are all America,” Clinton said.

    Clinton’s live web-based discussion took place just prior to the fifth Summit of the Americas, which is being held this weekend in Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago. The summit comes at a critical point in the relationship between the United States and Latin America. The Obama administration has been assiduously working to strengthen ties in a part of the world that has seen the rise of several anti-American leaders in recent years. There is some evidence that efforts are beginning to reap dividends. As Clinton noted in response to a question, a loosening of trade restrictions by the Obama administration prompted Raul Castro to say he would be open to talks with the United States on human rights and press freedoms. Clinton called the comment “very welcome” and said that she and the president were seriously considering their response.

    During her discussion, Secretary Clinton fielded questions that were submitted online related to the world financial crisis, educational funding for developing nations, global warming, and the drug trade. The secretary said she shared concerns by Latin American countries that the faltering economy would encourage protectionism in her own country that would have a devastating impact on the region’s poorer nations. She said that the president was committed to ensuring that such measures do not take place and cited the recent G20 summit as evidence that the world’s larger economies would not abandon their commitments to developing countries.

    Labeling education as “the linchpin of progress,” Clinton said that the United States will send $30 million in funding to build and support schools throughout the region. Clinton also said her country was committed to working with local governments to encourage parents to keep their kids in the educational system longer. She said that might even include paying parents to compensate them for the lost income associated with preventing their children from joining the work force. Beyond educational improvements, Clinton said that the United States would work to address demand for drugs in its own borders that was fueling the increasingly violent drug business throughout South and Central America. But she said that progress was only possible if the citizens of these countries engage in a “public outcry” against drug traffickers.

    Perhaps the most telling break with Bush era policies came in the secretary’s response to a question related to global warming. Clinton said that the Obama administration was committed to taking “long overdue” steps to reduce consumption of greenhouse gases and would work towards reaching a binding global agreement at the United Nations’ climate change conference this winter. Though she admitted the United States had a substantial role to play in addressing threats to the environment, she said that Latin America’s bountiful natural resources meant that it also needed to do more. “We’ve got to stop the destruction of the rainforest,” Clinton said. “They are within national boundaries, but have global consequences.’

    From drug addiction to economic inequality, Clinton proposed a similar solution to almost every problem that was raised – teamwork.
    “We are committed to working with all of you to keep our people safe and secure, to protect and harness our natural resource and to widen opportunities and prosperity,” Clinton said at one point.

  37. Fannie Mae CEO named Treasury’s bank bailout chief

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House has announced that Fannie Mae president and CEO Herbert Allison Jr. has been chosen to head of the federal government’s $700 billion bank rescue effort. He would replace Neel Kashkari, a holdover from the Bush administration. Allison must be confirmed by the Senate.

    His title would be assistant treasury secretary for financial stability and counselor to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner. As such, he would be in charge of the Troubled Asset Relief Program, the fund that has injected billions of dollars into banks to provide them with capital in hopes of easing the credit crunch. He would take over as some banks are bristling at the conditions imposed by the government in exchange for the funds. Some banks say they want to return the taxpayer money and be free of the restrictions.

  38. U.S. urges Cuba to free political prisoners

    Fri Apr 17, 2009
    ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE, April 17 (Reuters) –

    The White House, responding to conciliatory comments by Cuban President Raul Castro, urged Cuba on Friday to free political prisoners and stop “skimming money” off cash remittances sent to the island by Cuban Americans. “There are actions that the Cuban government can take beyond wanting to have any dialogue with the American government,” White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters aboard Air Force One, which was taking President Barack Obama to the Summit of the Americas in Trinidad.

    “They’re certainly free to release political prisoners, they’re certainly free to stop skimming money off the top of remittance payments. They’re free to institute greater freedom of the press,” he said after Castro said his country was open to talks with the United States about “everything.”

    Asked for the Obama administration’s view of Castro’s comments, Gibbs said, “The strongest reaction that we’ve all had is the admission by Castro that they might well be wrong. I think we were particularly struck by that.” Gibbs did not elaborate.

  39. Once we get past the new heaven and new earth reactions, we will be in a better position to assess the impact of this new policy. My sense of it is this: it was important for any new administration to separate itself from the image of the Bush Administration. But I am not sure it is necessary to embrace our enemies and distance ourselves from our friends. Where Israel is concerned, I read the situation the same way others on this blog do. I do not expect Obama to actively oppose Israel but a showing of non support would have much the same effect. Seeing how he has dissed the United States by calling us arrogant, blaming us for the world financial crisis etc. it is possible that he would go further. At the present time, there is nothing to stop him. If Israel must go it alone, I have confidence in their current leader. I always have had confidence in him.

  40. Israel and the Jewish people have gone it alone many times in history. No matter how much evil was out there, they survived, no matter how many nations ignored or even aided and abetted in their plight until it was almost too late.

    Countries that turned away Europe’s Jews during WWII, slamming the doors against immigration are a case in point.

    Israel will survive as will it’s people.

  41. Iran’s authorities have not even given details of the charges against her, he notes.
    And the Obama DOJ is fighting Federal court ruling to have judicial review of people held at Bagram without charges.

  42. Countries that turned away Europe’s Jews during WWII, slamming the doors against immigration are a case in point.
    IIRC, South Africa was one of the few (only?) country that allowed unlimited access to Jews fleeing Europe.

  43. “Whether we are from South America, Central America, North America, or the Caribbean, we are all America,” Clinton said.

    We are not ALL “America”. The USA is America. This is too One World order for me.

    Surely we are all part of the “America’s”, but we are NOT all “America”

  44. Mary B // April 18, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    From Bitterpolitiz….food for thought

    I was reading this article at NYT. First off, I love Hill. But I’m really not sure what I think about this. I don’t like Obama apologizing for the US, so can’t say that I like the same thing with Hill. What do you think? Is her admitting to failed policies the same as Obama apologizing for the US? I’m really conflicted about this.

    Clinton Scores Points by Admitting Past U.S. Errors

    SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic — It has become a recurring theme of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s early travels as the chief diplomat of the United States: she says that American policy on a given issue has failed, and her foreign listeners fall all over themselves in gratitude.

    On Friday, Mrs. Clinton said here that the uncompromising policy of the Bush administration toward Cuba had not worked. That, she said, is why President Obama decided earlier this week to lift restrictions on travel and financial transfers for United States residents with relatives in Cuba.

    “We are continuing to look for productive ways forward, because we view the present policy as having failed,” Mrs. Clinton said at a news conference in this sun-dappled capital, hours before flying to join Mr. Obama at the Summit of the Americas in Trinidad and Tobago.

    The contrition tour goes beyond Latin America. In China, Mrs. Clinton told audiences that the United States must accept its responsibility as a leading emitter of greenhouse gases. In Indonesia, she said the American-backed policy of sanctions against Myanmar had not been effective. And in the Middle East, she pointed out that ostracizing the Iranian government had not persuaded it to give up its nuclear weapons ambitions.

    Like other leaders around the world, Mrs. Clinton’s host, the president of the Dominican Republic, Leonel Fernández, responded effusively on Friday, hailing the secretary and her boss, Mr. Obama, for their view on Cuban policy, which he said took “great courage” and could utterly transform the political landscape of Latin America.

    “President Obama is paving a new road,” he said. “It is recognition of the fact that previous policies have failed. Fifty years of a policy that has not generated the originally sought purposes can be called a failure.”

    In fact, Mrs. Clinton’s aides clarified, she was not condemning the half-century-old trade embargo against Cuba, which the Obama administration has not yet agreed to lift. Rather, her reference was to the strict travel and financial restrictions imposed by the Bush administration.

    But it hardly seemed to matter. For a senior American official — someone who almost became president — to declare that the United States had erred, makes a major impact on foreign audiences.

    Mrs. Clinton drew a similarly gratified response when she said in Mexico recently that the huge American appetite for drugs was fueling the booming narcotics trade in that country and elsewhere in the region.

    She repeated that message in the Dominican Republic on Friday, telling a questioner at a town hall meeting here, “We acknowledge we have a responsibility, and we have to act in concert with you.”

    Regret is a new role for Mrs. Clinton, but one that she has had plenty of opportunity to observe up close. On a single trip to Africa in 1998 her husband, former President Bill Clinton, apologized for American participation in slavery; American support of brutal African dictators; American “neglect and ignorance” of Africa; American failure to intervene sooner in the Rwandan genocide of 1994; American “complicity” in apartheid; and even for a failure that occurred far from Africa — America’s slow response to the bloodshed in Bosnia.

    In most cases, Mrs. Clinton has been simply disavowing a policy of the Bush White House — something she did with zeal as a Democratic candidate. But the words carry much more weight overseas. And there is some evidence that these gestures are starting to register.

    On Friday, Cuba’s president, Raúl Castro, welcomed the administration’s easing of travel restrictions, saying he was open to dialogue with the United States on a full range of topics, including human rights and the release of political prisoners — something Mrs. Clinton had demanded a day earlier.

    “We have seen Raúl Castro’s comments and we welcome this overture,” she said. “We are taking a very serious look at it, and we will consider how we intend to respond.”

    Last week, Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, softened his tone against the United States, suggesting that Iran would make a new offer to the West on its nuclear program.

    There are holdouts, of course: North Korea has greeted the Obama administration by testing a missile, ratcheting up its language and threatening to pull out of multiparty talks on its nuclear program. Mrs. Clinton, in turn, has had few warm words for North Korea’s reclusive leader, Kim Jong-il.

    But in many countries, her statements have elicited an almost palpable sense of relief. And she suggested that the Obama administration’s drive for warmer relations with old foes was just getting started.

    Asked whether the United States would build bridges to hostile Latin American leaders, like Hugo Chávez of Venezuela, Mrs. Clinton said, “Let’s put ideology aside; that is so yesterday.”

  45. Dutch forces free pirate captives

    Dutch commandos have freed 20 fishermen whose vessel was hijacked by Somali pirates and used to launch an attack against a tanker in the Gulf of Aden. The captives, all Yemeni, were freed when Dutch forces chased pirates back to the fishing dhow. It was being used by the pirates as a “mother ship” from which to launch armed attacks on commercial shipping.

    Meanwhile, Belgian officials say pirates have captured a dredger, the latest in a surge of pirate attacks. The vessel, the Pompei, had been en route to the Seychelles.

    The Dutch took action after receiving a distress call from the Greek-managed tanker. Intercepting the pirates, the troops then boarded the fishing vessel and freed the 20 Yemenis. They had been held hostage since Sunday, Nato spokesman Alexandre Santos Fernandes said. “We have freed the hostages, we have freed the dhow and we have seized the weapons,” he told the Reuters news agency. The spokesman said the pirates were set free because Nato does not have a maritime detainment policy, meaning Dutch national law would apply in this case. “They can only arrest them if the pirates are from the Netherlands, the victims are from the Netherlands, or if they are in Netherlands waters,” he said.

    Meanwhile, Belgium’s government has told the BBC that a Belgian-registered ship has been captured by Somali pirates. There had been no communication with the dredging vessel, the Pompei, since it sent two alarm signals early on Saturday. The ship, with 10 crew including two Belgians, was about 600 km (373 miles) from the Somali coast and heading for the Seychelles. Satellite pictures show that the ship is not moving. “This morning we received through two different channels, a silent alert, that there was a problem on the boat, which is a Belgian boat on its way to the Seychelles,” said Peter Mertens, a spokesman for the Belgian government’s crisis centre. “We tried to have a contact with the ship but without success until now.

    Reuters quoted an unnamed pirate as confirming the hijack in a telephone call in which he said the attackers would take the ship to the Somali port of Haradheere. Pirates have intensified attacks on shipping in recent weeks in one of the world’s busiest sea lanes, despite patrols by the US and other navies. Reports say they are currently holding more than 280 crew members and 15 cargo ships.

    The Dutch success is the latest in a string of recent Western military operations against the pirates. French and US troops have both taken action against pirates in recent days. The French rescued three people from a captured yacht in an assault which saw one man killed.
    Earlier this week US troops killed three pirates and captured another as they rescued the American captain of a tanker from captivity.

    US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently unveiled a plan to tackle piracy in the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean off Somalia.

  46. Bitterpolitiz….

    Obama’s stance worries Israelis

    CAN Israel still call the United States its best international friend? Apparently not, if you believe the tone of the local media.

    Watching the drama unfold inside Israel, the increasingly tense dialogue between US President Barack Obama and new Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is taking on all the trappings of a duel.

    Almost every day brings news of another sore point between the two countries, a source of yet further inflammation of their once warm relations.

    One could be forgiven for thinking that the more immediate threat to Israel’s national security lay across the Atlantic rather than from closer to home.

    It is bad enough that President Obama uses almost every opportunity he can to set the parameters of a final peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians. Now US officials are openly using Israeli anxiety over Iran’s fledging nuclear program as a bargaining chip to force Israel’s hand on giving up control of the West Bank Palestinian territory.

    No less a figure than White House chief-of-staff Rahm Emanuel — whose father fought with the militant Zionist group the Irgun, and whose appointment had provided such reassurance to Israeli officials — was quoted this week laying down the law to Israel.

    If Israel wants US help to defuse the Iranian threat, Mr Emanuel was reported to have told Jewish leaders in Washington, then get ready to start evacuating settlements in the West Bank.

    Talkback radio blazed with fury across the country the same day, as Israelis protested that no US official had the right to tell them where to live.

    Then on Thursday came the news that Mr Netanyahu’s planned first meeting with President Obama in Washington next month had been called off.

    Mr Netanyahu had hoped to capitalise on his attendance at the annual American Israel Public Affairs Committee conference in Washington to visit the White House.

    But Administration officials informed Mr Netanyahu’s office that the President would not be “in town”.

    Washington sources added that the Obama Administration would not be continuing the tradition that had developed during the Bush years of hosting Israeli prime ministers whenever they showed up in town, sometimes with just a phone call’s notice.

    It might have been no more than coincidence, but yesterday Israeli defence officials told the liberal daily Haaretz that Israel’s $US15 billion ($A21 billion) purchase of 75 US-made F-35 Joint Strike Fighter jets was now under review due to “the unexpected high cost and disagreements with the manufacturer”.

    Contrary to initial expectations, President Obama has wasted no time becoming fully engaged in the Middle East peace process, despite the magnitude of his domestic political agenda. While Mr Netanyahu has refused to endorse a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict agreed to by his predecessor, President Obama has made it abundantly clear that the US will accept nothing less than Israel living side by side with a sovereign Palestinian state.

    Mr Obama is also demanding a freeze on Jewish settlement expansion in the West Bank, and has dropped the Bush administration’s opposition to Hamas being part of a future Palestinian Authority government.

    According to prominent Israeli political commentator Maya Bengal, who writes for the country’s second-largest selling newspaper Maariv, the holiday is over.

    “As Passover comes to an end, so comes to an end, it seems, the days of grace granted to the Netanyahu Government by the American Administration,” says the commentator.

    Tel Aviv barman Meir Avraham, 30, says he can feel on the street the tensions being played out between the US and Israel.

    “This is one of the the main things that the people are talking about at the moment,” says Mr Avraham, who recently returned to Israel after several months in Townsville.

    All Israelis, says Mr Avraham, understand the vital nature of the relationship between Israel and the US. “If we lose America, then we are alone,” he says. “So we must listen to what America wants. But really I think this is more about the little brother testing the limits of the big brother.”

  47. China, Friend or Foe?

    A cave complex blasted out of the rocky coastline on China’s southern island province of Hainan is home to one of the newest and potentially most lethal weapons in Beijing’s arsenal: a home-grown submarine designed to launch nuclear-armed ballistic missiles.

    So when the USNS Impeccable, a U.S. surveillance ship, was snooping in the area last month, China set a trap. Five Chinese vessels crowded around the U.S. ship. Crew members hurled chunks of wood into the Impeccable’s path and used poles to try to snare its acoustic equipment. When U.S. sailors turned a fire hose on their assailants, the sodden Chinese crew aboard one of the vessels stripped to their underwear and closed to within 25 feet, the Pentagon said. The encounter in the South China Sea, which lasted for about 3½ hours, was intended to send a clear message. China says the Impeccable was violating international law by conducting surveillance activities in its exclusive economic zone. The U.S. and many other nations view such activity as legal.

    When U.S. surveillance ships visit the area in the future, says Su Hao, director of the Center for Strategic and Conflict Management at China Foreign Affairs University, “they’ll be more cautious.”

    The Pentagon views China as the country most likely, at some point down the road, to acquire the capacity to challenge the U.S. military on a global scale. The U.S. in recent years has moved to strengthen its forces in the Pacific and urged its ally Japan to do the same. Washington and Tokyo are working together to boost anti-missile defenses, to defend against threats from both North Korea and China. And some in the Defense Department talk up the “China threat” to justify greater spending on new weapons systems.

    This week, Adm. Wu Shengli, the top officer in China’s navy — officially known as the People’s Liberation Army Navy — said the service would move faster to modernize its arsenal and build larger and more capable warships “to boost the ability to fight in regional sea wars” using high-tech weaponry. In an interview with China’s official Xinhua news agency ahead of the navy’s 60th anniversary next week, he also said the navy would improve its ability to operate on the high seas. Other officials in recent months have talked about China building its first aircraft carrier, adding to U.S. concerns that China wants to project its power. However, many observers, both in China and the U.S., say that fear of China is exaggerated. China’s armed forces are still no match for U.S. firepower at sea, on land or in space. Many American security analysts — including former senior military officers — do not believe that China intends to take on the U.S., as the former Soviet Union once did. For now, China’s military falls back on a mix of high-tech weaponry, such as its new Jin-class nuclear-missile submarines, and low-tech stealth and cunning.

    Chinese leaders say that their country’s economic rise will be peaceful. However, it is accompanied at times by a strident nationalism — a desire to restore what many people in the country see as China’s rightful place in the world, stolen by 19th-century Western imperialists and 20th-century Japanese militarists. China’s belligerence toward Taiwan and its military secrecy make it easier for hawks from Washington to New Delhi to paint a picture of a vengeful China plotting its comeback.

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  48. There should not even be a hint of a “two-state” solution until Israel’s enemies first recognize Israel’s right to exist and second stop bombing it’s citizens.

    Obama can go rot in….

  49. 100% correct JanH. The world is upside down, and as it relates to Israel has been for about 60 yrs.

    As or Hillary, I am beginning to think the team she has surrounded herself with is appallingly similar to the incompetent campaign team she had. First the “sex” phone number and know the video problems.
    WTF is wrong with her due diligence team? The lady deserves so much better,yet again, is stuck with a bunch of hacks.

  50. My grammar /spelling is truly humiliating. I have been using my dictation machine way too long.

  51. JanH Says:
    April 18th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
    There was “some” immigration allowed to South Africa
    I stand corrected…South Africa wasn’t much better than most other countries

  52. jbstonesfan Says:

    April 18th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
    My grammar /spelling is truly humiliating. I have been using my dictation machine way too long.
    I’m dyslexic…really, as if you all did not know already.

  53. COOL…… 😀

    Lou Dobbs Calls Janeane Garofalo a Hateful Appalling Human Being
    By Noel Sheppard | April 18, 2009 – 11:32

    Count CNN’s Lou Dobbs amongst the likely millions of Americans disgusted by Janeane Garofalo’s vitriolic attacks Thursday when she claimed the previous day’s Tea Parties “were about hating a black man in the White House. This is racism straight up. That is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks.”

    On his radio program Friday, Dobbs took issue with the actress, comedian, and activist, referring to her as a “nasty piece of business,” ” a one woman, you know, hate event,” and “an appalling human being.”

    Dobbs also pointed fingers at the network responsible for this disgraceful broadcast, MSNBC, for thinking “their responsibility as a media is to be a conduit for the Obama administration. They think they are the bastion of the, the 21st century socialistic thought. They’re as left-wing as it can get, and they apparently are hell-bound to be the conduit for the Obama administration, the venue for left-wing politics and zaniness in this country.”

    The audio of Dobbs’ marvelous monologue is available here courtesy our friend Johnny Dollar, with a transcript below the fold (h/t Jeff Poor):

  54. gonzotx Says:

    April 18th, 2009 at 9:06 pm


    Wear it with pride! My niece is also dyslexic, was told by a terrible teacher that she would never get past grade 7 in English but never gave up. She just received her university degree with honors and I couldn’t be prouder of her.

  55. U.S.: Palestinians need not recognize Israel as Jewish state before talks
    By Akiva Eldar
    Tags: Israel News, Iran

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s demand that the Palestinians recognize Israel as the state of the Jewish people as a condition for renewing peace talks is unacceptable to the United States, the State Department said during special envoy George Mitchell’s visits over the weekend to Ramallah and Cairo.

    The State Department released statements saying that the United States would continue to promote a two-state solution. In Ramallah, Mitchell met with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

    Mitchell’s talks also seem to indicate that the United States does not accept Netanyahu’s position that the renewal of negotiations should be postponed until the Iranian nuclear threat is removed.
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    Jesus, from our friends @ Bitterpolitiz

  56. JanH

    I was told pretty much the same thing. They pulled me into the office to show me my intelligence score. Weird. They were disappointed in me for not working up to my potential . I scored well except in English and he told me,after showing me on a grid, how awful I really was. It stuck with me for years. I really made minimal effort because I was told I could NEVER do anything about it. Well, College took care of some of it. Way too many papers to write. Had to sit down and work around it. Still hard, but it was a ridiculous thing to show a 12 year old!

  57. gonzotx Says:

    April 18th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
    U.S.: Palestinians need not recognize Israel as Jewish state before talks


    I never ever thought I would ever see a headline like this one! It makes me sick to my stomach!

  58. JanH Says:

    April 18th, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    I know. This is so wrong on so many levels. I hope the 77 % of Jewish voters are happy with their “One”.

    Where is Hillary?

  59. JanH Says:
    April 18th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
    gonzotx Says:
    April 18th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
    U.S.: Palestinians need not recognize Israel as Jewish state before talks
    That is idiotic!!! If there are two absolutely non-negotiable concepts in the I/P “talks” they would be “Jewish State” and “Right of Return”. Denial of the first and approval of the second would be the end of the State of Israel.

  60. “Mr Emanuel was reported to have told Jewish leaders in Washington, then get ready to start evacuating settlements in the West Bank.”


    Who the “H” does he think he is? How would the United States like it if another country told them what to do? Told them to evacuate areas taken from Native Americans way back in history?

  61. You know what is going on here as well as I do. Obama is conditioning negotiations on Israel accepting a Two State Solution which is unreasonable so Bibi responds by conditioning negotiations on Recognition of the state of Israel which is equally unreasonable. It is posturing on both sides. But Israel has got to posture back because of whom it is up against: The United Obama States of America, Old Europe and The Oil Sheik-down-artists. Now is the time to unleash Zuckerman et. al. but they need to attack the right targer which is Obama himself. He and his handlers are the ones calling the shots.

    In a normal negotition is bad faith for either side to say, I will not negotiate with you unless you accept my principal demand before we start. But here BN has to do it because that is what Obamamerica is doing to Israel. They will get beyond this easily enough by saying neither side will pre-conditon negotiations this way. Neither side will demand a unilateral concession from the other or refuse to negotiate. The end result of the process may be a quid pro quo of recognition for two state solution–or it may not. But that depends on what occurs in the ensuing negotition.

  62. I hope Hillary does not become a bot. Right now I do not like what I am seeing. I do not think she should be apologizing to third world dicators for the United States She must not put party before country. I cannot support ANYONE who does that.
    Home > News > world-news

    Hillary Clinton admits to past U.S. errors vis-à-vis Cuba

    Santo Domingo (Dominican Republic), Apr.18 : US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton has candidly admitted to the United States having failed in trying to build its ties with Cuba, and suggested that the Obama administration will attempt to change the uncompromising policy of the previous Bush administration.

  63. Too many people have given their lives for this country for any leader or would be leader to be going around apologizing and dissing it in the eyes of the world.

  64. “I hope Hillary does not become a bot.”

    Wbboei, I confess I’m feeling the same thing.

    Even that clip of her sitting behind BO at the Latin America Summit as Chavez hands him a book which is anti-America is disquieting.

    The glow is fading, fast. More and more I think both she and McCain sold us down the river by not fighting to the bloody end. JM refused to call BO out on his ‘terrorist’ associations through fear of being labeled racist. She did the same thing for the same reason. I’m glad I’ve switched my official political registration to Indy. I hate to say it but at this point she’s an enabler, IMO.

  65. I am very saddened and disappointed with all the chatter and criticism about Hillary and her disloyalty to her supporters.She is carrying out her duties and representing her country as SOS and few of you out there realize that her theme is world unity and peace.This country is in a very poor position to bargain with anyone.We are broke,in hock to China for decades to come and no hope in sight for a great surge of economic recovery and the jobs needed to rebuild our once prosperous nation and it will take decades to recover.She right now is our best hope to renew our once great role as a world leader and a beacon for peace and stability the world must follow.Few of you realize or understand the goals and ambitions of our new kid on the block BHObowma. Just stop and think where we would be without Hillary in these very treacherous times where a calm and intelligent leader is needed.Ther is no one in our present present congress that can ever come close to her knowledge and sense of diplomacy.This new black leader with world power as his goal doesn’t know his skinny a– from a hole in the ground.So my friends stay interested be patient and remain at her back if you want to fight for this great country and relieve our future generations from the Obowma agenda of his goal of being “Emperor Jones The Great Black Hope”

    By ABM90 I stand firm on my commitment to Hillary and my love for the country I fought for.

  66. I do not think Hillary is becoming a bot. I don’t have a problem with her saying that the U.S. made a mistake with it’s Cuba policies. It’s true. So did a few other nations, including my own.

    I would have been more upset if bambi had cancelled the embargo right off.

  67. ‘…I am very saddened and disappointed with all the chatter and criticism about Hillary’

    ABM, I understand your loyalty to HRC and I, too, wish she were in the WH instead of the usurper.

    But please don’t criticize those of us on this site who criticize her. We still have free speech at 44 and for me to come to any of these conclusions about HRC is very difficult but I don’t want to stick my head in the sand and pretend I’m not seeing what I’m seeing.

    She is still head and shoulders above the rest of the administration and I wish it was her calling the shots but she’s not and I am not happy that she’s toeing the oblowme line. I realize her options are, no doubt, quite limited but just as I can’t support his policies, I can’t support the people who implement them and, unfortunately, to a certain extent that now includes HRC. DOn’t be mad at me. 😳

  68. Recognizing Israel’s right to exist is MONUMENTAL. God will move against the US in ways that will make us think 9/11 was fun. I’m totally against the policy Bambi&Co are pushing. This country will go down in a shaking, flaming end if it continues this path.

    Chavez and Castro DO NOT have our country’s interest at heart either. Bambi is not qualified to run this country, he’s destroying it bit by bit.

  69. Chavez to restore ambassador in Washington

    PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad (AP) — Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez says he expects to soon be sending an ambassador back to Washington.
    He told reporters at the Summit of the Americas after a day of exchanges with Hillary Clinton and other U.S. diplomats that he’d even decided on the diplomat.

    Chavez expelled the U.S. ambassador to his country in September in solidarity with leftist President Evo Morales of Bolivia. Washington reciprocated. Morales booted the top diplomat in his country for allegedly helping the opposition incite violence.

    Chavez has warmed to U.S. President Barack Obama at the summit. On Saturday, he repeated in English what he told Obama the previous night at their first meeting: “I want to be your friend.”


    Oy! Scary stuff!

  70. I respect every ones freedom of speech as I do mine.I am not pointing fingers but facts>My apologies to anyone that takes offense for my anger.In my 90 + years I have seen heard and read much and I am in a hurry to see our America whole again.

    Thanks All By ABM90

  71. Michelle Malkin was mentioned with sexual ineuendo in relation to the Tea Parties. The ‘youth squads’ that love love love the New World Order Persona, oBOWma have a whole new language whereby ordinary words mean things that I have no way of knowing about – like TeaBagging. I googled it and it ain’t pretty; kind of the same idea that the ‘youth squad’ has for ‘tossed salad.’ On Malkin’s site Jet Jacquar had this retort of an exchange between Anderson Cooper and Matt Taiebbi – would apply very aptly to Cooper and Gergen as well:
    On April 17th, 2009 at 12:18 am, Jet Jaguar said:
    Anderson and Matt were driving down the road. They both spotted a dog, on the side of the road, licking his member. Matt said, “I wish I could do that”, to which Anderson replied, “Me, too, but what if he bites?” roflmao!!!!

    So, taking that idea on I will make one of my signs for the next Tea Party as being against the TEABAGGERS in the government and MSM. lol

  72. ABM90, I respect your allegiance to our girl, Hillary Clinton WHO SHOULD BE PRESIDENT!!! I have been doing my best to ‘enlighten’ very conservative Republicans to the facts of the primary, and often refer them to this site. However, they all seem to really have the same bad opinion of her as always….but when I compare the treatment that she, and we, went through for first Hillary and then Palin, they seem to lighten up a little bit. They are upset with McCain saying he did not do enough to stand up during the general election – I gingerly reported to them that the statistics show, irrregardless of oBOWma’s thievery and thuggery, that the real reason McCain did not win was because the CONSERVATIVE faction of his own party stayed home during election day. This seems to confound and astound them.
    Having said all that, and as much as I love, respect, and would take a walk off a cliff in support of our girls [Hillary and Palin] in their own right,
    I fail to understand WHY she continues to put a good face on oBOWma! Even Carville and Begala are now deconstructing Hillary and Palin supporters with their Alinksy tactics of making it personal, ugly, and relentless! I can hardly beleive that SHE and HE [Hill and Bill] would stand for such. Every act, cover up, and time that they individually and collective work for what the New World Order Messiah, oBOWma will be looped relentlessly if every any of them run again, even for dog catcher.

    There are so many things I do not understand that our girl is doing now, especially with her endorsing him at all. Ever. I guess to seek permission [from her followers] is harder than to seek forgiveness later?

  73. ABM90,

    Keep up the good work. Freedom of speech is something I value very highly…on both sides of the aisle.

    I was just thinking to myself that until I hear it from Hillary’s very own lips, I am going to still believe in her as much as ever. I don’t think she walks on water, but I do admit to being a little confused about some of the mixed signals lately.

  74. Thanks all for your concerns and replies.I believe that As SOS she must be supportive of the administration or Obowma will fire her on the spot.He is her boss and and he knows his supporters will support him right or wrong.At that juncture she will be voiceless and powerless.World leaders love and respect her but she has too many detractors in the MSM RNC and the DNC along with AA that think he is the second coming.None of his critics critics like Begala and Carville are untouchables.Picture if you can the abscence of Hillary in this scary scenario.Horror Story.

    BY ABM90

  75. ABM90,

    I agree, but there will come a time, I have no doubt, that she will take a stand against a particular action of this idiot’s that is too monstrous and too unspeakable that even she won’t be able to accept it. At that time, I hope she walks away with her head held high.

  76. shorttermer said:
    the real reason McCain did not win was because the CONSERVATIVE faction of his own party stayed home during election day.


    That’s my impression too. I’d like to see some good figures from a reliable source to support it.

  77. Yes, we have free speech at h44 — including the right to freely call b—-t on any opinion we disagree with. It’s good to see all sides of a question expressed and debated.

    It’s my opinion that we need to look past the superficial stuff like whether Hillary said “Bush’s policy was wrong” or “The US was wrong.” Especially if the quote comes from Big Media (especially from the media of some hostile country). Or other things that SOUND like signals.

    Imo we should judge (or suspend judgement) according to the big solid on-going actions, which fit with the person’s solid record in the past. When there’s not enough data — then there are plenty of other subjects to talk about where we have plenty of data, and where our voices can be more effective. (Such as the Tea Party turnout, etc etc.)

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