An Obama – Bush Truth Commission

Update: Gregg withdraws name from Commerce Secretary consideration. Senator Greggs statement is in the comments section.
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It is at least amusing to watch the Hopium addled and other forms of Barack Obama enablers demand an investigation into the calamity which was George W. Bush.

The last thing Obama wants is an investigation into anything. After all, Obama does not want any investigation that could start walking up to his doorway. There is also the fact that Obama essentially agrees with what George W. Bush has done. Obama after all is the Third Bush Term.

Since April 2007 we have tracked the many aspects of Obama and his Chicago crime lords which merit investigation. We have called for a Special Prosecutor to Investigate Barack Obama again and again.

It would be productive to investigate what George W. Bush knew and when he knew it, what George W. Bush did and when he did it. But Barack Obama does not want any investigation into anything that would eventually lead to questions about Barack Obama. Obama does not want to be vetted, let alone vetted by prosecutors.

The Hopium addled and other Obama enablers think their calls for investigations or “Truth Commissions” will seriously be considered by Barack Obama. These fools take comfort in the latest Gallup poll which suggests that there is some support for investigations into what George W. Bush did or did not do.

Sam Stein of the Obama fanzine Huff n’ Puff asked Obama at the past Monday night circusAre you willing to rule out — right here and now — any prosecution of Bush administration officials?” Obama effortlessly dodged the point of the questions and uttered some nonsense about “moving forward”. That is always the “general orientation” of a flim-flam man – avoid investigations and keep on moving as fast from the crime scene as the speeding car will allow.

What the Sam Stein’s and other Obama enablers/Hopium addicts refuse to realize is that

Obama who styles himself, without evidence, as a constitutional authority, thinks Bush has not done anything impeachable.

“I think you reserve impeachment for grave, grave breaches, and intentional breaches of the president’s authority,” he said.

Get it guys? – Obama does not think Bush made an intentional breach of authority. Which means of course that Obama thinks he can do exactly the same as George W. Bush did.

Hillary Clinton, always sensible, has a solution to the Obama/Bush abuses of executive power. Glenn Greenwald:

Earlier this week, I wrote about the State Secrets Protection Act of 2008, which was co-sponsored by numerous key Senators [including Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton, as well as the Senate Judiciary Committee’s Chair (Pat Leahy) and ranking member (Arlen Specter)], and which was approved by the Judiciary Committee last year with all Democrats voting in favor. That bill, in essence, sought to ban the exact abuse of the State Secrets privilege which the Bush administration repeatedly invoked and which, now, the Obama administration has embraced: namely, as a weapon to conceal and immunize government lawbreaking (by compelling the dismissal of entire lawsuits in advance) rather than a limited, document-by-document evidentiary privilege.

That was so last year of course. Dimocrats will now not do anything to block the Third Bush Term.

We welcome a Truth Commission. So, we extend our Pink gloved hands to the Hopium addled and join them in calling for a Bush Truth Commission – we (and Obama) know it would soon become an Obama/Bush Truth Commission. That’s why Obama will never allow an investigation to be held.

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The Federal Bureau of Investigation better watch out. News of investigations will not be welcome at the Obama Whore White House.


Recall predatory loans? Before the Financial Services lobby did their makeover of the terms “predatory loans” and “predatory lenders a.k.a. ‘loansharks” the name adequately described the business. But the Financial Services lobby did not like the word “predatory” – it was to the point. The Financial Services lobby renamed the “predatory” to “sub-prime“.

“Sub-prime” was a better word. “Sub-prime” did not reveal the predatory intent of the loans and the lenders to the unsuspecting or the desperate.

“Sub-prime” lenders was a much more gentle word that “loan shark“. Obama had lots of “loan shark” pals.

White House hopeful Barack Obama talks a lot on the campaign trail about how failing banks have used subprime loans to victimize customers.

“Part of the reason we got a current mortgage crisis has to do with the fact that people got suckered in to loans that they could not pay,” he told a crowd in Reading, Pa., last week. “There were a lot of predatory loans that were given out, a lot of teaser rates. Banks and financial institutions making these loans were making money hand over fist.”

One of the banks that went under after making a lot of subprime loans — leaving 1,400 of its customers without part of their savings — was Chicago’s Superior Bank.

At the helm of Superior Bank at least some of the time was Obama’s national finance chairwoman, Penny Pritzker, an heiress to the Pritzker fortune.

Let’s have a Truth Commission. Let’s have an investigation.

Let’s find out all we can. Let’s find out about bank runs and trillions in “toxic assets”. Let’s uncover the loan sharks and the predatory lenders and their predatory loans. Let’s find out about who got pay-off loans and assistance with the purchase of their homes from predatory banks and predatory friends.

Big Pink will elegantly march alongside the scruffy Hopium addled to demand a Truth Commission. We will assist the Hopium addled along the march from walking into walls.

Big Pink supports a Truth Commission – but no holes barred.

Let’s have a Truth Commission – Obama’s great fear.

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  1. As HillaryGirl informed us in the previous article comment thread, Gregg is out as Commerce Secretary:

    For Immediate Release:
    Thursday, February 12, 2009

    Senator Gregg Statement on His Withdrawal for Consideration of U.S. Commerce Secretary

    Sen. Gregg stated, “I want to thank the President for nominating me to serve in his Cabinet as Secretary of Commerce. This was a great honor, and I had felt that I could bring some views and ideas that would assist him in governing during this difficult time. I especially admire his willingness to reach across the aisle.

    “However, it has become apparent during this process that this will not work for me as I have found that on issues such as the stimulus package and the Census there are irresolvable conflicts for me. Prior to accepting this post, we had discussed these and other potential differences, but unfortunately we did not adequately focus on these concerns. We are functioning from a different set of views on many critical items of policy.

    “Obviously the President requires a team that is fully supportive of all his initiatives.

    “I greatly admire President Obama and know our country will benefit from his leadership, but at this time I must withdraw my name from consideration for this position.

    “As we move forward, I expect there will be many issues and initiatives where I can and will work to assure the success of the President’s proposals. This will certainly be a goal of mine.

    “Kathy and I also want to specifically thank Governor Lynch and Bonnie Newman for their friendship and assistance during this period. In addition we wish to thank all the people, especially in New Hampshire, who have been so kind and generous in their supportive comments.

    “As a further matter of clarification, nothing about the vetting process played any role in this decision. I will continue to represent the people of New Hampshire in the United States Senate.”

  2. We suspect, Obama put pressure on Gregg to vote for the flim-flam “stimulus” scam and Gregg would not debase himself. That is our speculation only – no phone calls returned yet.

  3. HAH, Thats Judd way of saying, you tried to pull a fast one on me, so go fuck yourself, thank god he had the moral self respect for himself and Bambi flailing in the wind looking like an ass.

  4. Washington Post:

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2009/02/greeg_withdraws_as_commerce_no.html

    New Hampshire Republican Sen. Judd Gregg has withdrawn his name from consideration as President Barack Obama’s Commerce Secretary, a major blow to an Administration seeking to put a series of Cabinet problems behind it. [snip]

    Gregg abstained from the Senate vote on the stimulus package, which passed the chamber 61 to 37. He had not previously offered any public comment on the White House’s plan to have the Census director report to White House officials. Many Republicans, however, had voiced serious concerns about the potential politicization of the department given that move.

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) praised Gregg’s decision as “principled” and added: “It’s great to have him back.”

    Gregg is the second of Obama’s nominees as Commerce Secretary to withdraw. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson (N.M.) stepped aside earlier this year after allegations of a pay to play scandal involving him came to light.

    The decision has any number of wide-reaching political consequences.

    First, it creates another opening in Obama’s Cabinet, which saw former South Dakota Sen. Tom Daschle (S.D.) step aside last week after questions were raised about his failure to pay taxes on a car and driver service.

    Second, it slows the momentum that the Obama Administration was hoping to build for its economic stimulus plan, which is expected to clear Congress tomorrow. Obama and his team had worked diligently to put the “vetting problems” stories regarding his Cabinet picks to bed but now will watch them dredged back up for the next 24 hours — at a minimum — and perhaps far longer.

    Third, Gregg’s return to the Senate means that Republicans have one less open seat to defend next fall. Bonnie Newman was set to replace Gregg but only as a caretaker who would not run for re-election in 2010. Democratic Rep. Paul Hodes had already declared for the seat and Republicans acknowledged that their bench in the state was thin. [snip]

    This is a cataclysmic shock on what had been the quietest day so far in Washington since Obama took office, and highlights the perils of Obama’s efforts to put Republicans — including a relatively conservative one like Gregg — into high positions in his Administration.

  5. Judd I hope has the balls to say this WH is corrupt to the core and the President canot be trusted on his word.

  6. Obama wanted a Republican at Commerce so when the Census shit hit the fan when they tried to steal seats, he could blame it on the Republican and sack him, just a bet, but probably accurate.

  7. Is it entirely possible and let me think on this, that the Republicans and Judd knew Obama was trying to coax a republican into the cabinet and set Bambi up, let Judd take it and then Judd drops out from under Bambi’s feet at the right time and makes him look an ass. I’d give Judd points if he did this on purpose.

  8. Admin, truth commission from a fake? He does not have the courage.

    Saw this at Americanthinker blog (go there to read the whole post; he stammered in front of the family answering their question. He is the ultimate poseur with his fake intellect.):

    “Obama the legal scholar screws up
    Ed Lasky
    When addressing families of terror victims regarding his decision to suspend military tribunals of suspected terrorists, President Obama “clearly didn’t do his homework” according to the Washington Times. His own legal counsel Greg Craig admitted the President made mistakes when discussing details about terrorism and made a key error when he tried to explain the law to the families.”

  9. Obama is just basically exposed as a complete and utter fuck up that could’nt run a lemonade stand.

    How many more fuck ups is that in 4 weeks, thats gonna be one heck of a lot in 4 years, he’ll make Bush look like a genius at this rate.

  10. So, who is up for Commerce now?? Will the census be returned to the rightful departiment? Inquiring minds want to know.

  11. moononpluto Says:

    February 12th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

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    He is not providing the needed leadership for his team, which seems to running amuck.

  12. “CNN is “stunned” and “taken aback”………!!!!!” at Judd’s move. They wouldnt know a nuclear weapon until it blew up in their face either, they are dumb as rocks.

  13. Birdgal, no right mind is going to take commerce knowing the jobs been stripped down to nothing. Bambi made an ass of himself letting his plans be known before the guy was in a position and now looks like he he fucks up on everything. Obama is just flailing, for a team that ran a vicious saavy primary, looks like the power has gone to the head and they think they are invincible and can do what they like.

    Its really falling apart and blowing up in their faces.

    So America, Hows Hillary looking now then, guess you wish you could vote again.

  14. “He is not providing the needed leadership for his team, which seems to running amuck.”

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    Amen!

  15. This is for PM317, Mrs. Smith (I think), Wbboei, and maybe a couple of others…

    To catch up to you all here, I had to skip the whole last article… hope I am not repeating anything from there.

    In the article previous to the one I skipped, there was an issue raised about a $550B “run” on banks. Mostly it was a run on the Federal banks. The reason for that was because almost every fund manager worth his salary, across the country, not just in NYC, was pulling money out of Money Market Funds, because Lehmann had just been declared backrupt at the moment the markets opened, word was out that Merrill had just sold itself, and street rumor was that AIG was in as bad shape as Lehmann had been.

    If you will remember, that morning it was also announced that one Money Market had done the unthinkable…they “broke the buck.” So it wasn’t one person like Soros making a run…it was all of us calling our fund managers and saying get my money out !—of funds, of interest bearing accts in banks that on that day at least, were only insured up tp $100K. That was a Monday, after a rumor-filled weekend Obama not doing well on the trail, etc.

    By Wednesday, in emergency moves, insured acct amounts were up to $200K, in some financial organizations, up to $250K. Dollars poured back into Money Mkt Funds and similar safe locations.

    See the following…and for truth in financial reporting (though it is boring to read) check out Crane Data; they also have great archives –from which I retrieved the following from Sept 14-15, 2008, the 14th because the money meltdown started Sunday night because of Asia-time and what was already leaking out of the WH and the Fed Reserve.
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    pm317 Says:
    February 11th, 2009 at 10:26 am

    The question may have morphed into something else now. But when I started the discussion it was to ask who or what was responsible for a surprise run on the banks in the order of 550 billion within a matter of few hours in mid-September and is NOT an invalid question

    Amazing. Personally, I would like to know the answer to the question of why we had a 550 billion dollar withdrawal by 11 am and if we had not acted the entire financial system of the world would have collapsed. As pm noted I would like to know what soros was doing at that time since he has been accused of doing this very thing in eastern europe although the case has never been proven to my satisfaction. I would like to know what happened, how it happened, why it happened and how it can be prevented in the future given the terrible cost it has imposed.
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    FDIC Insurance and the Risk of $​2.​6 Trillion in Uninsured Deposits 14 Sep

    (####Note that that amt is in TRILLIONS####)

    Money market and mutual fund guru and MarketWatch columnist Bill Donoghue discusses FDIC insurance and uninsured deposits in his latest column, “Advice you can bank on: Uninsured deposits have no guarantees if your bank fails. Donoghue, who was perhaps the most important force in popularizing the money market fund in the late 1970’​s and early 1980’​s, says, “This is probably the most sobering, simple and useful investment advice you will ever receive: Do not leave uninsured deposits in any FDIC-​insured bank account.”
    Donoghue urges investors to pay heed to the $​100,​000 FDIC insurance limit, and says, “​No matter how good the coffee is at your local branch, no matter how much you fondly remember the toaster they gave you to open an account or how large the bank’​s office building (​which they probably don’​t own) is, the rules are simple: you are FDIC-​insured to $​100,​000 per person per bank.” He cites a few exceptions to these rules, but we urge savers to ignore the higher limits on joint accounts and IRAs, and to act as if $​100K is the maximum, period. (Of course, we prefer money market mutual funds to bank deposits too.)
    We’​ve been stunned by figures disclosing that over $​2.​6 trillion, or 37%, of the nation’​s $​7.​07 trillion in bank deposits is uninsured. Losses to savers from uninsured bank deposits over the past year and a half could rise to as much as $​1 billion (​compared to zero on money funds). (​IndyMac had $​1 billion in uninsured deposits, but savers have received a payment of half of their money to date.) In a past “Link of the Day” entitled, “Government shuts down IndyMac,” we quoted the Wall Street Journal story “​Bank Fears Spread After Seizure of IndyMac”, “[​T]​he percentage of uninsured deposits has doubled since 1992, climbing to about 37% of the nation’​s $​7.​07 trillion in deposits at the end of the first quarter.”
    In addition to reading Donoghue’​s excellent article, we suggest browsing the reader comments below the story. These indicate widespread confusion and misinformation about FDIC insurance, SPIC insurance, and uninsured money market mutual funds, and mutual funds in general. It’​s clear that savers and investors have ignored every warning issued to them and that Donoghue could use some assistance in reviewing the various protections that investors may or may not have. (​See also our brief on a previous Donoghue story, “Money funds are likely to be safer than uninsured bank deposits.”)
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    Short story – no conspiracy – just a near miss of a major financial meltdown because four things happened in one 7-day period, Sept 11-17 and Bernache, Bush & Co refused to make it tansparent.

  16. He is flailing.. it is a mystery why he didn’t think this census thing was going to be a problem with a Repub, either way. Again we can never understand the mysterious ways of how a flake mind works.

  17. There are an awful lot of people out there now who have an impression of Obama as being totally clueless. Once that aura of invincibility goes, he’s a dead duck.

  18. God, Bambi is such a screw up. Definitely NOT what we need in our leader right now. We are in deep shit folks. Take a deep seat and hang on

  19. Amazing imagine being offered Commerce and knowing you were like 7th choice and only being offered it because the people above you were a shit or a republican.

  20. Moon: Maybe, the next candidate for Commerce will insist that the census be brought back to where it really belongs. May not happen, but it should.

    bots are saying that Gregg stabbed BO in the back. yeah, right.

  21. moononpluto Says:

    February 12th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
    Lol, well out of the two, Obama and Judd, which one has the record of backstabbing.

    Very Easy answer.

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    LOL. Pot calling kettle……………….

  22. Now, a test of the TRUTH-TRANSLATOR 2009XX MACHINE.

    It takes politicians lies, half-truths and innuendo, and converts it into what they really mean. Let’s put it to the test. From admin’s 4:38pm post, is the Gregg statement, with the TRUTH-TRANSLATOR 2009XX’s translation preceded by $$$.

    admin Says:

    February 12th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
    As HillaryGirl informed us in the previous article comment thread, Gregg is out as Commerce Secretary:

    For Immediate Release:
    Thursday, February 12, 2009

    Senator Gregg Statement on His Withdrawal for Consideration of U.S. Commerce Secretary

    Sen. Gregg stated, “I want to thank the President for nominating me to serve in his Cabinet as Secretary of Commerce. This was a great honor, and I had felt that I could bring some views and ideas that would assist him in governing during this difficult time. I especially admire his willingness to reach across the aisle.

    $$$ I want to thank the President for pretending he wanted me for a position I really didn’t want. This was no great honor, and I knew my view and ideas would be flushed down the toilet, they just wanted a Republican tied up in the White House. I do admire his unwillingness, like W., to shoot at the people across the aisle.

    “However, it has become apparent during this process that this will not work for me as I have found that on issues such as the stimulus package and the Census there are irresolvable conflicts for me. Prior to accepting this post, we had discussed these and other potential differences, but unfortunately we did not adequately focus on these concerns. We are functioning from a different set of views on many critical items of policy.

    $$$ Now the charade is up, and I don’t have to play nicey-nice any more.

    “Obviously the President requires a team that is fully supportive of all his initiatives.

    $$$ A great president could tolerate conflicting views, Lincoln’s team of rivals. But Obama is no Abe.

    “I greatly admire President Obama and know our country will benefit from his leadership, but at this time I must withdraw my name from consideration for this position.

    $$$ I don’t trust the bastid as far as I can throw him, but I’m too polite to point that out publicly.

    “As we move forward, I expect there will be many issues and initiatives where I can and will work to assure the success of the President’s proposals. This will certainly be a goal of mine.

    $$$ I intend to continue fighting him every step of the way.

    “Kathy and I also want to specifically thank Governor Lynch and Bonnie Newman for their friendship and assistance during this period. In addition we wish to thank all the people, especially in New Hampshire, who have been so kind and generous in their supportive comments.

    “As a further matter of clarification, nothing about the vetting process played any role in this decision. I will continue to represent the people of New Hampshire in the United States Senate.”

    $$$ Of course, I may have had a few tax and nanny problems, nuthin’ nobody else does.

  23. Points made on BBC this afternoon:

    No applause for BHO when he made a speech yesterday in VA to whip up support for the stimulus bill. Attendees are worried that the Markets are still bad even though the package is as good as passed– one guy said “you’d think business people would be more positive; that got me worried.”

    (As well you should be, sir.)

    Also no or very little positive response at Catapillar in Peoria, IL this afternoon, where the Prez went onthe same quest for worship.

  24. Short story – no conspiracy – just a near miss of a major financial meltdown because four things happened in one 7-day period, Sept 11-17 and Bernache, Bush & Co refused to make it tansparent.
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    Just the same, lets investigate it and see what we find. The FBI is investigating a related matter now and has identified 37 banks and corporations whose activities were suspicious. Lets follow the breadcrumbs and we may discover alot of things we do no know and connections we can only guess at. Normally I would say try the benign explanation first and I commend you for that. But the stakes are high enough here that we need to be thourough.

  25. I think this statement is very telling:

    ” Prior to accepting this post, we had discussed these and other potential differences, but unfortunately we did not adequately focus on these concerns. We are functioning from a different set of views on many critical items of policy.

    Obviously the President requires a team that is fully supportive of all his initiatives.”

    Colloquially, Judd is basically saying that his input would be ignored if it wasn’t in complete agreement with Admin agenda.

    In a way, Judd should have known this. He’s no political novice. Perhaps he, too, fell in love with candidate Obama and forgot that BO is nothing more than just another politician with empty rhetoric.

  26. moving the census where it can be manipulated big time to protect and substantiate obama decisions, while flimflamming the public is beyond criminal.

  27. # pm317 Says:
    February 12th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    Emjay, thanks for that info. 550 billion out of over 2.6 trillion, it is plausible.

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    I think more than plausible. I myself moved much of my small invested holdings to money market funds over the course of the spring and early summer…and that $2.6T figure was only from 1st quarter.

  28. Off-topic, but it seems Dubai is facing a financial collapse. Very surprised because Dubai seemed like it was an oasis of excess and hedonism:

    http: / / w w w.nytimes.com/2009/02/12/world/middleeast/12dubai.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=world

    ROBERT F. WORTH
    Published: February 11, 2009

    DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — Sofia, a 34-year-old Frenchwoman, moved here a year ago to take a job in advertising, so confident about Dubai’s fast-growing economy that she bought an apartment for almost $300,000 with a 15-year mortgage.

    Now, like many of the foreign workers who make up 90 percent of the population here, she has been laid off and faces the prospect of being forced to leave this Persian Gulf city — or worse.

    “I’m really scared of what could happen, because I bought property here,” said Sofia, who asked that her last name be withheld because she is still hunting for a new job. “If I can’t pay it off, I was told I could end up in debtors’ prison.”

    With Dubai’s economy in free fall, newspapers have reported that more than 3,000 cars sit abandoned in the parking lot at the Dubai Airport, left by fleeing, debt-ridden foreigners (who could in fact be imprisoned if they failed to pay their bills). Some are said to have maxed-out credit cards inside and notes of apology taped to the windshield.

    “Before, so many of us were living a good life here,” Mr. Thiab said. “Now we cannot pay our loans. We are all just sleeping, smoking, drinking coffee and having headaches because of the situation.”

  29. Kennedy’s absence has Reid seeking votes
    February 12, 2009 04:11 PM

    Senator Edward M. Kennedy, battling brain cancer, returned to Washington this week for key votes on the stimulus package.

    But he is going back to Florida, where he has been resting after suffering a seizure on Inauguration Day, CNN is reporting this afternoon.

    And that is prompting Harry Reid, the top Democrat in the Senate, to troll for another moderate Republican or two to vote for the compromise version of the stimulus on Friday, just to be safe.

    With Kennedy’s vote and those of three Republicans, the Senate passed the plan with 61 votes — just one more than necessary. CNN says that Reid is worried that final passage could be made problematic if a Democrat is ill or otherwise absent on Friday.

    boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/02/kennedys_absenc.html

  30. “However, it has become apparent during this process that this will not work for me as I have found that on issues such as the stimulus package and the Census there are irresolvable conflicts for me.

    Prior to accepting this post, we had discussed these and other potential differences, but unfortunately we did not adequately focus on these concerns. We are functioning from a different

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    I bet you Mr. Obama was not candid and pulled a bait and switch. The real story will come out.

    I do not think he really wants to be secretray of commerce at a time when the economy is faltering.

    Who would? McCaskill! Strike that question. Who in their right mind, with their two front teeth intact, and not chawing a stash of redman tobacco would want that job? No one.

  31. Dissension on the stimulus:

    February 12, 2009 03:13 PM

    While President Obama and the Senate are fine with the stimulus deal that appears headed for final votes in Congress on Friday and Obama’s signature on Monday, the House is another matter.

    And it’s not just Republicans, who unanimously opposed the bill the first time around and continue to rail against the deal struck by the House-Senate conference committee on Wednesday.
    Some House Democrats are upset with some of the changes made to preserve the support of three Republicans in the Senate, who wield virtual veto-power.

    And there are reports that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was ticked off that Harry Reid, the top Senate Democrat, announced the compromise Wednesday afternoon before her rank-and-file had signed off.

    UPDATE: Pelosi confirmed this afternoon that the House will vote on Friday and glossed over any dissension. She said that the House version makes up the vast majority of the compromise, that it is a “major accomplishment” for both Congress and Obama, and that Americans are “excited” about the bill.
    “This one is historic and transformational,” she told reporters at a Capitol Hill news conference.

    Meanwhile, top House Republican John Boehner’s office released a statement with the accusation: “Democrats pile up the pork, but leave scraps for small business.”

    “While there are still plenty of unanswered questions as Congress prepares to vote on the Democrats’ trillion-dollar spending bill, here’s what we do know: the legislation is loaded up with plenty of unfocused and wasteful Washington spending – a price to be paid by small businesses, which apparently will see very little tax relief under the as-yet-unseen House-Senate “deal.” In fact, it appears the amount of direct small business tax relief in the legislation amounts to about one-third of one percent of the total bill, just $3 billion in tax relief out of a $789.5 billion bill. So, what’s getting funded at the expense of small business owners and workers across the country?” the statement continues.

    “Here are just a few examples: $2 billion for ‘Neighborhood Stabilization,’ money which will be available to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), an organization accused of perpetrating voter registration fraud numerous times in the last several elections and reportedly under federal investigation; $1 billion for a new “Prevention and Wellness Fund,” which would be available for education programs on sexually-transmitted diseases; and millions for the federal government to buy plug-in cars.

    “President Obama set an important goal at the beginning of this process: a bipartisan bill that will create more jobs, more quickly. Which begs the question: How will any of this spending create new jobs? And, since small businesses are the engine of job creation in this country, why are these programs and projects being funded at the expense of those who own and are employed by small businesses?”

    boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/02/dissension_on_t.html

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    Just the same, lets investigate it and see what we find. The FBI is investigating a related matter now and has identified 37 banks and corporations whose activities were suspicious. Lets follow the breadcrumbs and we may discover alot of things we do no know and connections we can only guess at. Normally I would say try the benign explanation first and I commend you for that. But the stakes are high enough here that we need to be thourough.
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    I agree, but we also need to be educated enough about the system and aware enough of what was happening in that 10-day period, that we know what we are reading or hearing when it comes out.

    I am disappointed that the Representative did not bring any of that up- the result being that a lot of people thought automatically it was an engineered bank run…whether by Moscow or Soros or Chinese computer hackers or ????????????

    Not helpful when so many folks are feeling besieged and bamboozeled by the razzel dazzel as it is.

  33. “CNN is “stunned” and “taken aback”………!!!!!” at Judd’s move. They wouldnt know a nuclear weapon until it blew up in their face either, they are dumb as rocks.
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    It is always stunning when you make it your business to lie to people, convince them that what you say is true, and then they dont believe you. What is the point of being a propagndist like CNN when people refuse to follow your script. Their world is toppling and Bambis along with it.

  34. LOL…obama and the dims are sure making it hard for the media to lavish praise on them. They do have their work cut out for them with this growing group of twits.

  35. Also no or very little positive response at Catapillar in Peoria, IL this afternoon, where the Prez went onthe same quest for worship.
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    Stunning, since the ceo of Catapiller is one of the inner circle of economic adivisors. One of eigth. How embarassing for him.

  36. Admin, a graphic showing Dubya’s IQ rising at each of the Huckster’s fumbles would be nice. I can see it in my head, pretty soon Dubya’s IQ will be into the borderline average range.

  37. Was in a public room where the tv was on CNN and Soledad O’Brien and that crew was slobbering over the Huckster and MO. Sickening. Sickening. I got up and turned the volume so low it could not be heard.

  38. I am disappointed that the Representative did not bring any of that up- the result being that a lot of people thought automatically it was an engineered bank run…whether by Moscow or Soros or Chinese computer hackers or ????????????
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    In fact, these are scenarios that they build war games around in the pentagon and in those countries. Perhaps it would be better to advance an innocent explanation–a witching hour explanation to satisfy public fear and the need for reassurance. I had a discussion with the brilliant lady I talk to regularly and the point she made is that we are dealing with systems here and it does not take much to disturb the equilibrium and the result is no different whether or not the intervention was intentional or not. But the main thing here is we need an explanation. I still think–call it a hunch, or even bullshit if you like, it doesnt matter. I honestly believe there is alot more to this and we will never know unless we investigate. It is important to know.

  39. Was in a public room where the tv was on CNN and Soledad O’Brien and that crew was slobbering over the Huckster and MO. Sickening. Sickening. I got up and turned the volume so low it could not be heard.
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    It was like that yesterday on that network too. I caught a glimpe of it in the parking garage. Something about how mo balances whatever she apparently balances. The point is it had no point. Drivel.

  40. Jake Tapper makes a fool out of Obama, or is it Jim Owens who made a fool of Obama? Obama made a fool of himself. Another Obama lie.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/doh-caterpillar.html

    EAST PEORIA, ILL. — President Obama today repeated the claim we asked about yesterday at the press briefing that Jim Owens, the CEO of Caterpillar, Inc., “said that if Congress passes our plan, this company will be able to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off.”

    Caterpillar announced 22,000 layoffs last month.

    But after the president left the event, Owens said the exact opposite

    Asked if the stimulus package would be able to stop the 22,000 layoffs or not, Owens said, “I think realistically no. The truth is we’re going to have more layoffs before we start hiring again

    It is going to take some time before that stimulus bill” means re-hiring, he said.

    Owens supports the stimulus plan, but said it would take some time to have an impact on his industry and “is a little light on the heavy construction.”

  41. Chris Cilizza saying right now that Judd’s written statement (his first statement) quite different from his presser statement, held a couple hours later… the first was more focused on the differences , especially the Census and the Stimulus, calling them “fundamental” differences.

  42. BTW, Jim Owens of Caterpillar is one of Obama’s economic advisors. Obama must know he was not telling the truth about Caterpillar rehiring.

  43. As all else is destroyed by the rope a dope after being in office for only a few short weeks,we really do have Hillary as the new SoS and she is now the most important cabinet member and moving ahead in her mission to resolve world peace and health problems.She is safe sound and supported by world leaders and growing millions of Americans that realize that she is our great white hope and also a woman and she is trusted world wide.

    By ABM90 A pig in a poke is what you get when you do not vett.
    No need for perfume or lipstick,what you see is what you get.

  44. # wbboei Says:
    February 12th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Also no or very little positive response at Catapillar in Peoria, IL this afternoon, where the Prez went onthe same quest for worship.
    ____________________
    Stunning, since the ceo of Catapiller is one of the inner circle of economic adivisors. One of eigth. How embarassing for him.
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    wbboei

    check this out from Admin:

    # admin Says:
    February 12th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    Jake Tapper makes a fool out of Obama, or is it Jim Owens who made a fool of Obama? Obama made a fool of himself. Another Obama lie.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/doh-caterpillar.html

    EAST PEORIA, ILL. — President Obama today repeated the claim we asked about yesterday at the press briefing that Jim Owens, the CEO of Caterpillar, Inc., “said that if Congress passes our plan, this company will be able to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off.”

    Caterpillar announced 22,000 layoffs last month.

    But after the president left the event, Owens said the exact opposite

    Asked if the stimulus package would be able to stop the 22,000 layoffs or not, Owens said, “I think realistically no. The truth is we’re going to have more layoffs before we start hiring again”

    “It is going to take some time before that stimulus bill” means re-hiring, he said.

    Owens supports the stimulus plan, but said it would take some time to have an impact on his industry and “is a little light on the heavy construction.”
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    This from one of BHO’s insider buddies, huh.

    Good golly…wonder what his inside enemies are saying ro the press for attribution.

  45. Maybe by the time this horrid term of office is over, obama will finally have a full cabinet. I’m sure it will take at least that long for him to fill the vacancies that keep popping up like bad pennies.

  46. I’m in moderation, so this is a repeat —

    # wbboei Says:
    February 12th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Also no or very little positive response at Catapillar in Peoria, IL this afternoon, where the Prez went onthe same quest for worship.
    ____________________
    Stunning, since the ceo of Catapiller is one of the inner circle of economic adivisors. One of eigth. How embarassing for him.
    ———————————————-
    wbboei

    check this out from Admin:

    # admin Says:
    February 12th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    Jake Tapper makes a fool out of Obama, or is it Jim Owens who made a fool of Obama? Obama made a fool of himself. Another Obama lie.

    abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/doh-caterpillar.html

    EAST PEORIA, ILL. — President Obama today repeated the claim we asked about yesterday at the press briefing that Jim Owens, the CEO of Caterpillar, Inc., “said that if Congress passes our plan, this company will be able to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off.”

    Caterpillar announced 22,000 layoffs last month.

    But after the president left the event, Owens said the exact opposite

    Asked if the stimulus package would be able to stop the 22,000 layoffs or not, Owens said, “I think realistically no. The truth is we’re going to have more layoffs before we start hiring again”

    “It is going to take some time before that stimulus bill” means re-hiring, he said.

    Owens supports the stimulus plan, but said it would take some time to have an impact on his industry and “is a little light on the heavy construction.”
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    This from one of BHO’s insider buddies, huh.

    Good golly…wonder what his inside enemies are saying ro the press for attribution.

  47. Oh this is getting good, CEO of Caterpillar says Obama is lying about the stimulus

    http: //blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/doh-caterpillar.html

    D’oh! Caterpillar CEO Contradicts President on Whether Stimulus Will Allow Him to Re-Hire Laid Off Workers

    February 12, 2009 6:16 PM

    EAST PEORIA, ILL. — President Obama today repeated the claim we asked about yesterday at the press briefing that Jim Owens, the CEO of Caterpillar, Inc., “said that if Congress passes our plan, this company will be able to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off.”

    Caterpillar announced 22,000 layoffs last month.

    But after the president left the event, Owens said the exact opposite.

    Asked if the stimulus package would be able to stop the 22,000 layoffs or not, Owens said, “I think realistically no. The truth is we’re going to have more layoffs before we start hiring again”

    “It is going to take some time before that stimulus bill” means re-hiring, he said.

  48. Wbboei

    Agree that is what some war games are—still say that Rep. Kanjorski should have done some research, and given a more complete story, so that lots of people would not jump to the conclusion that it WAS an engineered run on the US banking system by bad guys. Right now that is the only theory out there if one googles September 15 2008 bank problems, and it took me only 10 minutes to research the entire banking week and realize there was an alternate explanation.

  49. Can we get a video done of the Muppet theme with a parade of pics of the Cabinet and Bambi’s friends.

    This is what we call the muppet showwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

  50. admin Says:

    February 12th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
    Video of Caterpillar CEO contradicting Obama is here:

    ——————————-

    Sigh…it’s so wonderful to see someone throwing obama under the bus for a change!

  51. MoonOnPluto, we were alerted to the ABCNews report just before it went on. Already it is on DrudgeReport and now spreading.

  52. Yeah, the british newspapers are picking it up now too. Spreading like wildfire.

    Its time to play the music, its time to light the lights, its time to get things started on the Muppet Show tonight….boom boom boom boom.

  53. At this rate he could be the shortest run President before impeached ever. I think he’s a compulsive liar.

  54. moononpluto Says:

    February 12th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
    At this rate he could be the shortest run President before impeached ever. I think he’s a compulsive liar.

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    We knew that months ago. He lied about everything during the primary and general election.

  55. admin Says:

    February 12th, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    —————————————————————————–

    LOL! “Another good mess…………”

  56. I tend to now think when he says, its important, its not and when he says it can wait, we know it cant, so basically whatever Bambi says, think the opposite.

  57. Hillary and Obama, I tend to look at it like this.

    Its like Chess, The Black King is sitting in his castle protected by the fodder rooks, which are being smashed up, however the white Queen is sitting not far away, ready to strike with her knights and take him out in a Checkmate, when she is positioned properly.

  58. I will bet you this is what Hillary is thinking. Now if we could just get Timothy to stop the sabre-rattling.
    The US and China:
    ——————–

    A grand bargain?
    January 30, 2009 10:58am by FT
    By Eswar Prasad

    Timothy Geithner, in his first foray into international economic affairs as US Treasury secretary, has kicked off a public row with the Chinese by accusing them of currency manipulation. The Chinese have vehemently rebutted this accusation and flexed their own muscles, telling the US to get its own house in order before lecturing others.

    The world economy, already on its knees, cannot afford escalating economic tensions between China and the US. Trade disputes between the two countries could disrupt the world trading system and further wreck consumer and investor confidence. The world needs China and the US to pull together rather than rattle their sabres at one another. How can the joint interests of the two economies be brought to the fore when the tendency is to turn inward?

    There is a solution: a grand bargain between China and the US on macroeconomic policies and international economic affairs. None of the elements is novel, but rolling them into a package which Chinese and US leaders could announce would provide domestic political cover for both to implement policies that are in their own interests. Cooperative action would also give a fillip to international economic confidence.

    The main elements are:

    First, the two countries commit to using fiscal and monetary policy to the best extent possible to stimulate domestic demand in their economies in the short run. This is to reaffirm their resolve to deliver on their stimulus packages, bolster the stimulus if necessary, and for China to signal that it will not count on exports to keep its economy and job growth from stalling.

    Second, the Chinese allow their currency to become more flexible and responsive to market forces while the US articulates a plan that commits it to taming its budget deficit once the economy begins to recover. This is an opportune time for China to allow more flexibility in its currency. Now that capital is flowing out of China, it could be the case that the currency depreciates slightly in the short run. Who could blame the Chinese if market forces pushed the renminbi’s value down!

    In any event, it is world demand rather than modest exchange rate changes that will affect China’s exports in the short run, so the currency issue is more symbolic than substantive. But greater currency flexibility could have long-term benefits for China by reducing its dependence on exports and re-balancing its economy towards domestic consumption. It would also ease pressure on the Chinese to revalue their currency by a large amount at one step.

    The US will need to tackle its mammoth budget deficit and rising public debt, which have contributed to its current account deficit and dependence on funds flowing in from the rest of the world. A clearer commitment to lower the deficit over a reasonable period after the economy recovers would reassure financial markets that US government borrowing will not be allowed to get out of control and exacerbate global macroeconomic imbalances.

    Third, the US supports an expanded role for China in multilateral financial institutions, including significantly greater voting rights at the International Monetary Fund and membership in the Financial Stability Forum. These steps would make these institutions more inclusive and effective in dealing with global challenges. They are also strongly desired by China, which feels that its role in such institutions is well beneath its economic stature.

    While greater Chinese influence in international economic affairs is inevitable, the US has some leverage as it can throw a spoke in the wheels if it so chooses—at least in terms of delaying changes—given its prominent role in multilateral institutions. Tying this issue into the grand bargain would allow China to assume its rightful place on the world stage soon.

    With these steps, the US could show that it is willing to enter into a genuine economic partnership with China that can benefit both sides and also demonstrate leadership by accepting China’s expanded role on the global stage. The Chinese could reaffirm to their restive citizens their commitment to restoring growth and jobs, and also be seen as getting the respect they deserve as a world power while doing their bit for global economic and financial stability.

    The political leadership on both sides has to move beyond nationalistic sentiments and convince their people that, in this interconnected world, China and the US will sink or swim together. There is a way. Is there the will?

    Eswar Prasad is a professor of economics at Cornell University and a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. He is a former head of the IMF’s China Division

    Tags: US budget deficit

  59. I still bet you a majority of Americans are sitting there thinking now, Jesus, we should have elected her, this guy is a disaster.

  60. at this rate, i really don’t see BHOle making it through a single term. perhaps he could take a cue from a former president..”I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your president.”

  61. moononpluto Says:

    February 12th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
    I tend to now think when he says, its important, its not and when he says it can wait, we know it cant, so basically whatever Bambi says, think the opposite.

    ————————————————————————————

    This is so very true. I learned this during the primary. Also, whenever he blames someone else, he is doing the misdeed.

  62. I say all opposers of the stimulus bill not file your taxes, overwhelm the IRS with non-compliance and really bring the gov’t to it’s knees. No different than millions of citizens and non-citizens granted mortgages they could never afford, yet still in “free” homes, while millions scrimp and scrape to meet the monthly mortgage.

    They get to follow the playbook of Barney Frank while the Dems stall on a federal mortgage “solution.” Hey, if ACORN nuts can do it, why not follow suit? At least a boycott, everyone filing extensions, and holding back for a few months might be worth some penalties and interest just to watch the DIMs squirm. That’s not patriotic (Biden says)? That’s a violation against the government? And BHO’s administration throwing the Constitution out the window at every turn isn’t? Patriotism vs. getting by with dodging taxes and mortgage payments all depends on who you support for POTUS, it would appear.

  63. pm317 and others-

    You know, six months ago I did not see myself as a person who would be using words like “billions” or “trillions” and having a real sense of what I was talking about.

    Now we read these words, hear them, and it computes – that is scary.

  64. Here is some of what our girl will face when she gets to China. NB> the comments by Mr Lou.

    He must not have heard the messiah speak, the skies open up and celestrial choirs . . .
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    China to stick with US bonds
    By Henny Sender in New York

    Published: February 11 2009 23:33 | Last updated: February 11 2009 23:33

    China will continue to buy US Treasury bonds even though it knows the dollar will depreciate because such investments remain its “only option” in a perilous world, a senior Chinese banking regulator said on Wednesday.

    China has used the dollars it accumulates selling manufactured goods to US consumers to accumulate the world’s largest holding of Treasuries.

    However, the increasing US budget deficit and its potential impact on the dollar have raised questions about the future Chinese appetite for US debt.

    Luo Ping, a director-general at the China Banking Regulatory Commission, said after a speech in New York on Wednesday that China would continue to buy Treasuries in spite of its misgivings about US finances.

    EDITOR’S CHOICE
    In depth: Global financial crisis – Jan-20In depth: US downturn – Dec-30Analysis: Message from Wen – Feb-01US bank plan disappoints Asian markets – Feb-11Insight: How Wall Street scammed the Chinese banks – Feb-04“Except for US Treasuries, what can you hold?” he asked. “Gold? You don’t hold Japanese government bonds or UK bonds. US Treasuries are the safe haven. For everyone, including China, it is the only option.”

    Mr Luo, whose English tends toward the colloquial, added: “We hate you guys. Once you start issuing $1 trillion-$2 trillion [$1,000bn-$2,000bn] . . .we know the dollar is going to depreciate, so we hate you guys but there is nothing much we can do.”

    However, Mr Luo said Chinese officials would encourage its banks to finance domestic mergers and acquisitions rather than provide rescue finance to distressed financial companies in other countries: “There will be no bottom-fishing of financial institutions, particularly in the US, because there is a lot of uncertainty about the quality of the books.”

    Mr Luo said China intends to maintain its separation of investment and commercial banking based on its observations of the US after repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act that enforced a similar division of banking activities.

    “To some extent, Glass-Steagall has fuelled the crisis,” Mr Luo said. “The separation of commercial and investment banking is likely to stay longer [in China] than before.” Like senior financial officials in other developing nations – such as Mohammad Al Jasser, vice-governor of the Saudi Arabian Monetary Agency – Mr Luo also spoke out against what he called America’s laissez-faire capitalism.

    “Government ownership was viewed as something negative but the pendulum is swinging the other way. Perhaps banking is [no different from] public utilities where government participation is necessary,” he said.

    “Deregulation in the US has gone a little bit too far. The market can’t be omnipotent.”

  65. Wisconsin bailout bank nixes Puerto Rico vacation for 100 workers after public anger
    Recommend (2) Comments

    February 12, 2009

    FROM ASSOCIATED PRESS
    MILWAUKEE — Wisconsin’s second-largest bank has abruptly canceled plans to send about 100 employees to a Puerto Rican resort as a reward for top performance.

    Associated Bank chief executive Paul Beideman (BEYE’-duh-min) says he was surprised that the public was so angry about the trip. But he says the bank is sensitive to its customers’ concerns, and canceled the trip Thursday afternoon out of prudence.

    The trip was first reported Thursday by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

    The excursion provoked anger in part because the bank’s parent company accepted more than half a billion dollars in taxpayer bailout money in November.

    Beideman says the bank is profitable, and only accepted the funds as a precaution, not as a result of mismanagement.

    suntimes.com/business/1428153,w-associated-bank-bailout-milwaukee021209.article

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    Duh!

  66. He certainly takes “the boy who cried wolf” to a whole new level
    ————————–
    He has transformed himself from a New Age Shaman to an old school Fire and Brimstone Baptist Minister in 3 weeks.

    That is the only “change” I am seeing.

  67. # wbboei Says:
    February 12th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Also no or very little positive response at Catapillar in Peoria, IL this afternoon, where the Prez went onthe same quest for worship.
    ____________________
    Stunning, since the ceo of Catapiller is one of the inner circle of economic adivisors. One of eigth. How embarassing for him.
    ——————————–

    The CEO has just contradicted 0bama about rehiring his laid off workers with this stimulus plan.

  68. In doing a little research about moving the census to the WH…I think Obama is full of sh*t (what else is new) ..The procedures for the census are determined by US law and not by Presidential whim. The census procedures are defined by U.S. Code Title 13…under definitions…the person in charge of the census is the “Secretary” defined as (2) “Secretary” means the Secretary of Commerce. If the oversight of the Census Bureau is going to change, Congress has to change the law..fat chance, IMO.

  69. To be honest, I’m surprised Gregg even took the job. It never did make any sense to me.
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    ditto.

  70. and now they are bickering about who approached who first. obama just has to save face…lol…not much left but he can’t help making his nose grow and grow and grow…

  71. I think we’re going to have another Iowan in the WH- and she’s a girl! Rumor on AP and AFP that it is Ellen Gordon for Director of FEMA …lots of experience here w/ our floods, tornados and ice storms…well known for concensus building and setting up regional commissions to share burdens, human capital, equipment and expertise.

  72. # birdgal Says:
    February 12th, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    Apparently there is a health care rationing clause in the bill. Does anyone know anything about it?
    **************
    All of the stories that I have seen originate from one source; Betsy McCaughey who was a sever critic of the Clinton plan and had no problem using false information. I am waiting for a more reliable sources.

  73. # birdgal Says:
    February 12th, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    Apparently there is a health care rationing clause in the bill. Does anyone know anything about it?
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    Bobo is quite keen on the British approach to healthcare, which features allocation of services based on how many years a physician judges the “service” would would improve one’s life.

    Until they almost had granny riots, they had one rule that said you had to be blind in one eye before they would cover some very expensive macular degeneration medication that stopped the advance of the disease.

  74. SHV Says:
    February 12th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
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    I did not know about the possible McCaughey origination point…I will shut up until I learn more.

    Thanks for the heads-up.

  75. SHV Says:

    February 12th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
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    Thanks, I was hoping to hear from a reliable source, but it wouldn’t surprise me since Daschle believed in this. Allocating resources based on number of years of improvement is bogus. The best they could do, would be to take an average of specific populations, since there are individual, gender, racial, and environmental factors. One size does not fit all.

    BTW, I read this over on the confluence. Apparently Juan Williams wasn’t very complimentary towards MO. He called her:

    “Williams called Michelle Obama “Stokely Carmichael in a designer dress.”

  76. # Emjay Says:
    February 12th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
    SHV Says:
    February 12th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
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    I did not know about the possible McCaughey origination point…I will shut up until I learn more.
    Thanks for the heads-up.
    ***********
    We will have to see but the stories are so inflammatory, that I would have expected AARP to have spoken out..unless they have also been bought off by “the one”.

  77. Bringing ‘Change’ to the Census?
    By Jon Feere, February 11, 2009

    Illegal-immigration enthusiasts at the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials (NALEO) may be partially responsible for President Obama’s recent decision to force the U.S. Census to report directly to the White House. According to Congressional Quarterly, the decision was made after NALEO issued a press release questioning the qualification of Obama’s GOP appointee, saying:

    Secretary of Commerce-designate Judd Gregg’s record raises serious questions about his willingness to ensure that the 2010 census produces the most accurate possible count of the nation’s population.

    What makes the Census “accurate” according to NALEO? The inclusion of illegal aliens, of course. When the 2006 amnesty bill was being debated, NALEO opposed one component of the bill aimed at eliminating the practice of counting illegal aliens in the Census, saying:

    S.2611 requires the Census Bureau to consider excluding undocumented immigrants from our Census enumeration for the reapportionment process. This exclusion would prevent our nation from obtaining an accurate Census count and achieving fair apportionment and representation in our nation.

    While Senator Gregg’s immigration record is a mixed bag, he is probably aware of how illegal immigration is dramatically warping congressional reapportionment. A Center for Immigration Studies report revealed that many low-immigration states which might seem unaffected by immigration are in fact experiencing a significant erosion of their political influence in Washington. For example, the presence of illegal aliens in high-immigration states caused Indiana, Michigan, and Mississippi to each lose one seat in the House in 2000, while Montana failed to gain a seat it otherwise would have. Illegal immigration not only redistributes seats in the House, it also affects presidential elections because the Electoral College is based on the size of congressional delegations.

    Is Obama’s plan to take greater control over the Census all about reapportionment? Congressmen in Utah’s Republican delegation are suggesting it is. Interestingly, Utah failed to gain a seat it otherwise would have but for the inclusion of non-citizens in the 2000 Census.

    cis.org/node/1036

    MY THOUGHTS:

    How did the possible counting of illegal aliens in this country during the 2000 census already affect the 2007 Primary and 2008 G. Election?? Was this on purpose? who could make that happen? ROVE?? Soro’s?? Brazilla?? Dean?? Pelosi???

  78. # wbboei Says:
    February 12th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    To be honest, I’m surprised Gregg even took the job. It never did make any sense to me.
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    ditto.

    To honest with you guys, if I had a chance of working in the WH, I’d jump ship to. It’s the WH. The nucleus of this country. The temptation was too much for Judd until reality hit him that Obama is no Lincoln.

  79. BTW, where on the internet is the final “stimulus” bill, that was supposed to stay online for 48 hours, with time afterwards for taxpayer input.

  80. Newt Gingrich just alleged that David Obey dropped in 2 billion for his son’s business and Harry Reid just dropped in 8 bilion for a traing from LA to Las Vegas.

    I love the train idea but if those aren’t earmarks, what are?

    The bill isn’t written yet and Newt says in a bill that’s 600-700 pages and will come out at midnight, no congressperson can read more than 5% before voting. It is written so opaquely that nobody can understand the provisions. They won’t be debated by anybody because the vote will come less than 24 hours after the bill is ready to read.

    There will not be a moment of “will provision 24 create more jobs than the small business provisions?” or ” how many jobs are estimated to be created by this boondoggle as opposed to that one?” and then “will 1 billion be enough for ACORN?”

    I want to know who came up with the numbers for each project. Is it conceivable that there isn’t a large amount of fat in these numbers?

    How about a 10% cut across the board — that’s 80 billion –which they can use for states to hire police, fire, teachers, nurses, etc.

  81. Who will investigate the Obama administration?

    By Byron York
    Chief political correspondent 2/12/09
    The census controversy brings the first test of accountability and oversight in the new administration

    dcexaminer.com/politics/Who-will-investigate-the-Obama-administration-39457567.html

    About that anti-freedom stimulus bill

    By Sen. Jim DeMint and Gov. Mark Sanford, OpEd Contributors
    – 2/12/09

    dcexaminer.com/opinion/About-that-anti-freedom-stimulus-bill-39497702.html

    Obama is headed for a one-term presidency

    By Mark Tapscott
    Editorial Page Editor | 2/12/09 1:45 PM

    dcexaminer.com/opinion/columns/MarkTapscott/Obama-is-headed-for-a-one-term-presidency-39461127.html

    Keeping Our Eyes on the Real Ball
    Michael G. Franc
    The broad outlines, and few details, of a stimulus have been announced. The headlines focus on how much we will borrow to “stimulate” the economy—$789.5 billion. Remarkably, House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charlie Rangel (D., NY) groused over the “cuts” that brought the total down below $800 billion. “Hardly anybody’s happy,” he said, “with having to go backward.”

    Go backward? Huh?

    continue reading!!!
    corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjY0NWFjMjZiZmYxMTcyM2UwYTg3Y2YwNmMxMWEzYTc=

  82. Now this is a stimulus i could get behind!!!!!

    Blue Dog nips Obama with a better stimulus idea

    By Examiner Editorial
    – 2/10/09
    While President Barack Obama goes on the road to shore up slipping popular support for the $1 trillion stimulus porkfest that he ordered up from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Rep. Walt Minnick, a freshman Democrat from Idaho, is pushing a better idea: The Strategic Targeted American Recovery and Transition Act (START).

    Minnick is a member of the Blue Dog caucus of occasionally conservative Democcrats. His START plan is a $170 billion “bare bones” pure stimulus approach that would put $100 billion immediately into the pockets of low- and middle-income Americans, then use the other $70 billion for basic infrastructure projects that create jobs. START requires that all funds not spent by 2010 be returned to the Treasury. START also stops stimulus spending when the nation’s Gross Domestic Product increases in two of three previous quarters, and all START payments are required to be posted on a public website.

    Minnick introduced START as an alternative – just in case the legislative process stalls out, says press secretary John Foster. As one of the brave 11 Democrats who voted against Pelosi’s stimulus bill, Minnick explained to folks back home that he opposed the speaker’s version because it was so “Christmas-treed up” with wasteful spending, like $300 million for golf carts. Foster told The Examiner that the House leadership encourages members to do what’s best for their districts, so there has been no backlash. We’ll see how long that lasts.

    Recent CBS and Rasmussen polls found that the public is becoming less enchanted with the idea of imposing a trillion dollar debt on future generations, especially a plan that will do more long-term damage to the economy than doing nothing, according to the
    Congressional Budget Office. Yet once enacted, this massive stimulus program cannot be undone – even though there’s no guarantee it will work. If it doesn’t, then what? We’ve already thrown away $350 billion on a bank bailout. When is it time to stop throwing borrowed money after bad? “We’ve got to get this economy moving again, but we’ve got to do it in an effective way without saddling our children with $1 trillion in debt,” Minnick said. “If we’ve got to spend, every nickel needs to create jobs, and create them quickly.”In other words, START is everything the Senate and House stimulus proposals are not – targeted, timely and temporary.

  83. Well, tonight, I spoke to a friend who monitors diligently the activities of Soros. He is a Roosevelt Liberal with significant resources and organizational clout to do it. He appears regularly on radio programs throughout the US. Here in essence is what he told me.

    1. Soros was well aware of the emerging crisis, but so were others. My frends brother works for Merril and plays basketball with alot of financial people in New York. On the week of September 15 none of his teammates showed up. They were busy moving their assets around to avoid being caught.

    2. Soros was betting against the dollar at that point. That would be typical. But he could not confirm it.

    3. Soros did not trigger the run on the money markets on that date. He is guilty of other bad things, but not that.

    4. There is one man who is ultimately responsible for this economic crisis and his name is Allan Greenspan. He told me flat out Sad Allan should be in jail. He puts more blame there than he does on congress.

    5. An aggressive prosecutor with a battery of lawyers and an army of accountants should be turned loose on the banks. They knew about this and screwed their investors and depositors. He mentioned the Pecora Commission which FDR set up in 1932 for the exact same purpose. He walked me through the transcript of the cross examination of JP Morgan.

    6. There is a recent article which appeared in a London magazine called The Standard (?). The title was “Dinner With Soros”. In it Soros throws a hissey fit about the fact that he played a major role in getting Obama elected and now he cannot get in to see him.

    7. Soros contributed almost $100 million to organizations which helped Obama get elected, which included Democracy Alliance and Move On. I pressed him for a breakdown and we got interrupted but he cited 20 to the first organization and 10 to the second over what period of time I do not know. He knew this through his own sources but recommended a book on the subject called The Argument by Matt Bayi (sp) of the New York Times.

    8. Soros believed he had bought himself a president and so far it has not worked out quite that way. He said Soros had two key issues he wanted Obama to pursue. One was the decriminalization of marijuana. As such he was infuriated by the appointment of Eric Holder because he opposes decriminalization. The other issue is a massive bailout of the banks. He is pushing Obama on that front as well.

    9. Soros is in Russia today and gave an interview. He said he would send it to me, and I will post or link it here if he does. The important thing however is that Soros argued forcefully against the dollar, said it is going way down because of the bailout (which he is privately advocating for Obama) and argued in favor of a denominated world currency, beyond the soverign control of any nation.

    10. The world currency concept was developed by a Columbia professor in the early 1990s named Saxe. My friend went to him and Soros when they came to Rice University at or near that time. They held forth on it at length and then asked for questions from the floor. My friend believes in economic nationalism as opposed to mercantilism which is what this ultimately is. He asked this professor several tough questions and when he could not answer them he told the professor and the audience this proves there is no such thing as safe Saxe, etc.

    11. The Russians have offered us logistical access through their country if we agree to destoy the drug trade which is funding terrorism in that region and thoughout the world. The general in charge of that war has sent a memorandum to the president on that.

    12. The Russians are worried about their won economy and what to do about it. My friends boss and the Russian Academy of Sciences favor working cooperatively with the United States to resolve the world economic crisis. Soros and another faction oppose such cooperation for the reasons discussed above. His speech today typifies this.

    13. The situation in Europe is no better. We are seeing the rise of fascism and nativism as the economy deteriorates. France and Italy it is the same way. The governments of these countries are having to make choices between this global economic model which the elites have foisted upon the world and a reinvigorated sense of economic nationalism. At this point the final outcome is unclear.

    14. This stimulus bill is a disaster. We need to rebuild infrastructure whereas this is a pork laden payoff to special interests. If we throw good money into these banks and they still hold bad assets they will go down. He feels we must spin off those bad assets even if it costs 2-3 trillion because that is the only way to solve this and avoid depression.

    15. Obama is weak and what he did to Hillary in the primary was abominable with the causcuses and superdelegates and lies. But he is worried about saving the country. He says Obama is very weak and way over his head. He is not nearly as smart as the media tells us he is but he is glib. He has caved in to Pelosi and if there was ever a toxic asset it is her. If Obama goes for a half measure here–like this stimulus bill then he will fail according to him.

  84. I found it very curious that for some reason CBS morning news drudged up the Lincoln was a homosexual speculation today. It just struck me as odd as I remember when it made the news a few years back and was not big enough then to be carried on the morning tv shows but years later it gets a considerable amount of air time. Why?

  85. It was so enjoyable to see the great brian williams interview the treasury secretary. It was the same way when that scumbag Russert was interviewing bambi, they seem so animated. Its like a mother and father trying to coax the first words out of a very young child.

    But I take no comfort in it because I know how motifying it must have been to dudley dooright–dud for short to have to explain the variance between what Obama said the ceo of catepillar said about the stimulus bill and what the ceo says he said about the bill and the fact that the two statements are in conflict. I wonder if williams plays hoops.

  86. wbboei, thanks for the info. point #15 is well taken. We will get a chance to say “I told you so”. I have no doubt about it. I have seen an interview of Soros’ where he specifically talks about influencing govts and other institutions and I have no doubt he tried to buy the presidency here.

  87. To honest with you guys, if I had a chance of working in the WH, I’d jump ship to. It’s the WH. The nucleus of this country. The temptation was too much for Judd until reality hit him that Obama is no Lincoln.
    ———————-
    For me it would not have that kind of allure, unless I had respect for the president. If it were Hillarys White House I agree with everything you say. But if it were bambis or Ws white house there would be no incentive.

  88. PM: you are quite welcome.

    Today, I went to an archeological site which was discovered when they put in a sewage treatment plant in our city.
    It gave me a sense of a time when none of this political stuff mattered.

    The archeologist told us that the last ice age, i.e. glacier maximum lasted from 20,000 to 11,000 years ago. At the end of that period a land bridge formed between Asia and Alaska which allowed people to travel to the uninhabited North American continent.

    They were driven by the search for warmer climates and the quest for game. Interestingly enough colder to warmer climates and in chase of food. These people lived to be a little about 30 years old and had families in their late teens. They were over 6 feet tall and very muscular.

    Interestingly, after they crossed over to the new continent, they headed south until they reached a retreatiing glacier which blocked any further migration south for many generations. So they were effectively trapped.

    They stayed near the coastline and there were pockets where they could live comfortably called refugias. They learned to dry salmon and clams for yearround food. Eventually, a path south opened up through the ice. The site I went to carbon dated back 4200 years.

    There were alot of artifacts such as spear tips, primitive jewelry, knives. Obsidion which is volcanic glass was good for this. There were sabre tooth cats, wooly mammoths, giant bison and mastadons throughout north america at one time and they were hunted.

    Over time they moved inland as well in search of game and trade-the traces of an early economy developed. Archeologists have tried to match up archeological findings with the oral traditions of the native American People. That history correlates very well with catastrophic events like earthquakes and tidal waves but less well in other respects.

  89. I just found this new site by Ann Lewis, that in essence will be keeping in touch with all of us ( Hillary’s supporters). You all probably already know about it, but if you haven’t its ” nolimits.org”. It will be great because in this troubled time its hard to know who the heck is telling us the TRUTH. We sure know its not Bambi, and we sure know its not most of the REpooplicans, so I am thrilled about this new site and apparently we will be given updates on Hillary. Its amazing that this woman has inspired so many millions of supporters in absolutely the bitterest of tide of the last 16 years.

  90. It will be great because in this troubled time its hard to know who the heck is telling us the TRUTH.
    ———————–
    Confloyd, it was suggested today by someone perhaps moon that there is one surefire way to know the truth in these toubled times. All you have to do is listen to what bambi says and then visualize the opposite. The opposite of what he says is always the truth.

  91. moononpluto Says:
    I still bet you a majority of Americans are sitting there thinking now, Jesus, we should have elected her, this guy is a disaster.

    ===============

    A majority already wanted her. 16% of McCain’s voters would have voted for her.

  92. A grand bargain?
    January 30, 2009 10:58am by FT
    By Eswar Prasad

    Timothy Geithner, in his first foray into international economic affairs as US Treasury secretary, has kicked off a public row with the Chinese by accusing them of currency manipulation.

    ===================

    Maybe he should have helped Obama invade Pakistan.

  93. Judd quits!

    Obama appoints Biden as Commerce! (Biden takes all the dirty jobs.)

    Obama appoints Michelle as VP! (Now she gets a salary too.)

    Obama quits, Michelle becomes POTUS, Obama goes to the beach!

    Michelle appoints Spiro Agnew as VP!

    Michelle runs for Pres in 2012!

    Hillary wins.

  94. I’m with Minnick. Sensible plan that can be effected without too much spillage.

    Too sensible for prime time, I guess.

  95. Hm, maybe I’ll put a bunch of links in this so it will go in moderation and Admin will see it and we’ll see if she lets it through.

    http://dailypuma.blogspot.com/
    http://midstreamnews.blogspot.com/
    http://pumaresponders.blogspot.com/

    ————–

    admin Says:
    February 12th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    We suspect, Obama put pressure on Gregg to vote for the flim-flam “stimulus” scam and Gregg would not debase himself. That is our speculation only – no phone calls returned yet.

    ===================

    “Senator Gregg’s office. Who’s calling?”

    “The anonymous Admin of Big Pink.”

    Hm, that doesn’t sound quite likely, somehow. Anyway, I’m sure Admin is far above making her own phone calls. A bank of secretaries perhaps, all in high heels, pearls, and stockings with seams. No long cigarette holders though, those are just for the Royal We committee.

    G,D,R, having already been accused in email of relentless chutzpah….

  96. Obama threatening to sue anyone who sues him for BC Record.

    A high-powered team of Los Angeles attorneys representing President Obama in his effort to keep his birth certificate, college records and passport documents concealed from the public has suggested there should be “monetary sanctions” against a lawyer whose clients have brought a complaint alleging Obama doesn’t qualify for the Oval Office under the Constitution’s demand for a “natural born” citizen in that post.

    The suggestion came in an exchange of e-mails and documents in a case brought by former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others in California. The case originally sought to have the state’s electors ordered to withhold their votes for Obama until his eligibility was established. Since his inauguration, it has been amended to seek a future requirement for a vetting process, in addition to the still-sought unveiling of Obama’s records.

    ANYTHING but producing a $12.50 vault birth certificate to a court of record ….

    WHAT could be so damning on a birth certificate?

    MUST be something … to jump through all these hoops …

    Let’s get the birth certificate thing outta the way, Mr. Obama. If there’s nothing to hide, then folks are going to wonder why you fought so hard to NOT release it.

    But if there IS something, well then, I guess we’ll know why you needed a team of lawyers to fight against what most U.S. citizens provide on a regular basis.

  97. thanks wbboei for all that info

    here is the link to ” dinner with soros” article you cited.

    newstatesman.com/society/2008/12/georgia-obama-russia-soros

  98. I have to think that Mo would like to be back in Chicago living in the Rezko mansion,working at her 440k job as a hospital lobbyist enjoying the restitution pkg that made here start loving this downright mean country.Meanwhile the chosen one is singing that Tony Bennett song “Who do you turn to when nobody loves(trusts) you?What to do?What to do? Help me Hillary.Help me.

    By ABM90 His first term will be the shortest and ugliest in our history.

  99. moononpluto Says:
    February 13th, 2009 at 5:53 am

    Obama threatening to sue anyone who sues him for BC Record.

    ************

    where did you hear that?…….. if this is true…..i hope it makes this whole thing finally explode all over the MSM!!

  100. turndownobama-com Says:

    February 13th, 2009 at 3:20 am

    —————————–

    What??? Is Geithner trying to destroy Hillary’s first tour before it even gets underway?

  101. Gregg Announcement Casts White House In Bad Light

    GOP Sen. Judd Gregg yesterday withdrew from consideration for the post of Commerce Secretary. USA Today notes Gregg cited “irresolvable conflicts” with President Obama over “the economic stimulus and 2010 census.” The Union Leader reports that “in a news conference with New Hampshire reporters, Gregg emphasized his fiscal conservative philosophy. ‘This was more of a question of just being me,’ he said. ‘For 30 years I’ve basically run my own shop and made my own decisions.'”

    The Administration’s response to Gregg’s announcement is coming under fire. The Washington Post says “the timing of Gregg’s communication with the White House about his decision was murky through much of the day, as the president’s aides scrambled to revise their sometimes conflicting statements about when Obama was notified.” The Post adds, “Returning to Washington from Springfield, Ill., Obama told reporters on Air Force One that he learned just yesterday of Gregg’s decision. He later clarified that he had spoken with the senator from New Hampshire a day earlier but ‘wasn’t sure whether he’d made a final decision.'” The Washington Times reports White House spokesman Robert Gibbs “disputed senior Obama adviser David Axelrod’s statement that the president learned of the withdrawal Thursday. The press secretary said Mr. Gregg told the president of his intent to withdraw during a meeting Wednesday.” Obama “himself said a short bit later that he had indeed found out Thursday at the last minute.”

    Media reports are also casting the development as a serious political blow to Obama. The Wall Street Journal says “the announcement was a fresh embarrassment for an administration rocked by a number of setbacks. While his recent predecessors each lost one or two early cabinet nominees, Mr. Obama has lost three less than a month into his term.” Moreover, “Gregg’s withdrawal comes two days after a bank rescue plan was widely panned by financial markets and lawmakers from both parties, partly because of its lack of detail.” On the CBS Evening News Bob Schieffer said, “To have these incidents happening over and over again, this does not help this Administration’s credibility. There’s no other way you can say it.” ABC World News called it “another stumble.”

    The New York Times reports that “since the president took office last month, not a week has passed without the White House responding to a personnel crisis. The Financial Times notes “Obama is hardly the first president to face embarrassment over botched nominations. It took…Clinton three tries to fill the attorney-general job after his first two nominees withdrew. But Mr Obama has now exceeded Mr Clinton’s record.” The Hill refers to a “stunning blow.”

    Did Gregg Reach Out, Or Did Reid Broker Deal? NBC Nightly News said “the Obama White House quickly called what” Gregg “did a blindside hit.” In a telephone interview with the Springfield (IL) State Journal-Register, the President said Gregg’s withdrawal “comes as something of a surprise, because the truth is Mr. Gregg approached us with interest and seemed enthusiastic.” USA Today notes the White House press secretary said “Gregg reached out to the president and offered his name for secretary of Commerce.” The CBS Evening News reported that “a top Democratic source on Capitol Hill was more blunt, saying Gregg actively campaigned for the job, then erratically dropped out, without warning.” But the Wall Street Journal notes “Gregg, at his news conference, gave a different version, saying an ‘intermediary’ had sought him out to see if he was interested in the job.”

    The New York Times, meanwhile, reports “the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada, had recommended Mr. Gregg for commerce secretary. The White House accepted Mr. Reid’s suggestion, in part, because the president had said he wanted his cabinet to be filled with a variety of viewpoints.” The Washington Times notes “Reid spokesman Jim Manley confirmed to The Washington Times that Mr. Emanuel asked for suggestions for the commerce post and that Mr. Reid suggested Mr. Gregg.”

    Gregg Won’t Run For Reelection The AP (2/13, Ramer) reports, “After withdrawing his nomination as Commerce secretary Thursday, Gregg said he doesn’t plan to run for re-election in 2010.” Gregg “didn’t give specifics, telling reporters, ‘Sometimes, there’s other things to do in life.'” The Boston Globe reports, “Representative Paul Hodes, a Democrat, quickly issued a statement affirming his candidacy. John E. Sununu, a former US senator, is among those mentioned as possible Republican candidates.”

    usnews.com/usnews/politics/bulletin/bulletin_090213.htm

  102. moon:

    found it! thanks for the heads up on this!

    Sanctions’ sought in eligibility case
    President’s attorneys file motion demanding birth, college records be withheld from public

    wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88746

    also see:

    tennessean.com/article/20090213/NEWS02/902130368/1009/NEWS02

    Four Tennessee legislators want Obama to prove citizenship

    By Theo Emery • THE TENNESSEAN • February 13, 2009

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    Several Tennessee lawmakers have signed on to a legal action intended to force President Barack Obama to turn over his birth certificate and other documents to prove his citizenship, an effort rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court in an earlier case.

    Tennessee Reps. Eric Swafford, Stacey Campfield, Glen Casada and Frank Niceley have all agreed to be plaintiffs in a planned legal action by a Russian immigrant in California who has challenged whether Obama meets constitutional criteria to be president.
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    The lawsuit from the Defend Our Freedoms Foundation, which has not been filed, will be among several court challenges to Obama’s citizenship.

    One of the cases reached the U.S. Supreme Court late last year, and the court declined without comment to take it up, a move many interpreted as meaning the issue was dead.

    The campaign posted a copy of his certificate on a page intended to counter rumors about Obama.

    Swafford’s letter states “I agree to be one of the plaintiff’s in a legal action filed by Dr. Orly Taitz, Esquire for a Writ of Mandamus to obtain birth certificate, immigration records, passports and other vital records for Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama.”

    The letter from the Pikeville Republican is written on the letterhead of the House of Representatives.

    Niceley, Campfield and Casada, who are also Republicans, confirmed that they have agreed to be plaintiffs.

    Casada, the House Republican caucus chairman, said that he believes that Obama does have a U.S. birth certificate, and should make it widely available.

    “Let’s just put this to bed. Yes, people may say, you’re just chasing some conspiracy theory,” he said. “It’s a simple act on his part to just do, and we’re done — move on.”

    Democratic lawmakers ridiculed the action Thursday at a weekly press conference, with one lawmaker asking, “Who’s Eric Swafford?” and another answering, “He’s from Mars.”

    The news of the lawsuit later provoked ribbing around the Capitol, with one legislative staffer approaching a lawmaker and demanding to see his birth certificate.

    Contact Theo Emery at 615-726-4889 or temery@tennessean.com.

  103. well , i am working a double at the bar today, so i wont be around all day and it will be a late one ……uhhhggg

    I look forward to catching up later on.

    have a good one!

  104. The root cause of US economy in shambles today is Alan Greenspan..
    and how India’s economy is doing in these troubled times. (Maybe time for me to pack up and go.)
    —————–
    From http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4643

    One key reason is its tight regulation of banks and external capital transactions, largely the result of the sound management and foresight of one man: Yaga Venugopal Reddy, the former governor of the Reserve Bank of India (RBI).

    Interestingly, India’s central bank lacks the independence from government that the Federal Reserve enjoys. It is administratively subservient to the Finance Ministry. Yet, by sheer force of his personality, Reddy, who served as RBI governor from 2003 until the end of his term in September 2008, successfully resisted government pressure to deregulate banks and hastily open India to external capital account transactions. In contrast to former U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan who believed in the fundamental integrity of market agents, Reddy is reported to have held the view that if bankers were given the opportunity to sin, they would.

  105. Read the bottom of this article first to get a feel for what happened in what order.

    Basically, Mr Geithner shot his mouth off about the fact that he and BHO “knew” that the Chinese were manipulating their currency during the senate hearings for naming him secretary. Hillary then had to make one of her diplomatic statements to mollify the Chinese and fix his stupid undiplomatic statement. Geithner then made an “I’m sorry phone call to the Vice Premier Wang and Obama had to make one to the President Hu.

    If not for Hillary….
    ———————————-

    US, China agree to continue high-level economic talks
    Feb 3, 2009

    WASHINGTON (AFP) — The United States and China agreed on the need to continue high-level talks on economic issues, officials said Tuesday after Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner spoke with Vice Premier Wang Qishan.

    Both officials in their telephone conversation late Monday also emphasized the need to maintain close consultations “during this difficult period for the global economy,” a US Treasury statement said.

    The statement did not explicitly say whether the twice-yearly US-China “Strategic Economic Dialogue” held under President George W. Bush’s administration would be continued.

    The two officials “agreed on the need for a continued high-level dialogue on bilateral economic issues,” the statement said.

    The Strategic Economic Dialogue was initiated two years ago by Geithner’s predecessor Henry Paulson and is now the highest-level regular forum for discussion of economic issues between the two nations.

    China wants the mechanism to remain under President Barack Obama’s administration, which seems more interested in a comprehensive dialogue covering possibly perennial US concerns such as human rights, Chinese military expansion, Tibet, and Taiwan, which Bejing considers a renegade province.

    “We need a comprehensive dialogue with China,” US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said last week, pointing out that the Bush administration focused too much on economic issues.

    “The strategic dialogue that was begun in the Bush administration turned into an economic dialogue, and that is a very important aspect of our relationship but it is not the only aspect,” said the chief US diplomat.

    Clinton vowed to work with the White House as well as the Treasury Department and other agencies to design “a more comprehensive approach” in line with China’s “important” regional and international role on key issues.

    Obama and China’s President Hu Jintao agreed to forge “more positive” ties in their first telephone call on Friday since the US leader came to power on January 20.

    Geithner and Wang, in their telephone talks, discussed global economic challenges, the important role that China and the United States played in addressing these challenges, and the US-China economic relationship, the Treasury statement said.

    It was not known whether the talks also touched on the prickly issue of the Chinese yuan currency.

    Giethner recently accused China of manipulating its currency for trade gains, a charge quickly denied by Beijing.

    “President Obama — backed by the conclusions of a broad range of economists — believes that China is manipulating its currency,” Geithner said in written testimony to senators before he was confirmed.

    Obama has pledged to “use aggressively all the diplomatic avenues open to him to seek change in China’s currency practices,” Geithner said.

    Under the Bush administration, the Treasury had stopped short of identifying China a currency manipulator in its semiannual global currency reviews, acknowledging however that the yuan was relatively undervalued against the US dollar.

    Copyright © 2009 AFP.

  106. anyone besides me get the feeling the “administration” is trying to dirty the water for Hillary. Make her job even harder.

  107. Hey Everyone!

    Tune in to a Live Video Webcast for Hillary at 1pm est TODAY!

    info and web link here:

    http ….//hillaryunleashed.wordpress.com/

  108. Obama is now the new Lincoln?

    But, but, but…… I thought he was the new JFK and Michelle the new Jackie O. Has he now thrown the Kennedys under the bus. I thought that Obama being the next JFK is what inspired Caroline to back him and why Ted Kennedy backstabbed Hillary for her remark of Johnson signing the Civil Rights bill (which is true). LOL!!!

    The Clintons did admire the Kennedys at one time. If I remember correctly, Bill meeting JFK is what inspired him to want to become president someday.

  109. Read the bottom of this article first to get a feel for what happened in what order.

    Basically, Mr Geithner shot his mouth off about the fact that he and BHO “knew” that the Chinese were manipulating their currency during the senate hearings for naming him secretary. Hillary then had to make one of her diplomatic statements to mollify the Chinese and fix his stupid undiplomatic statement. Geithner then made an “I’m sorry phone call to the Vice Premier Wang and Obama had to make one to the President Hu.

    If not for Hillary….
    ————————————
    There is a great line in the Howard Hawkes western El Dorado which sums up Hillarys problem here in saving Obamas people from themselves:

    James Cahn: you saved my life

    John Wayne: yea but I am going to be too busy to keep doing that.

  110. Four Tennessee legislators want Obama to prove citizenship
    —————————————–
    Why does he refuse to remove this cloud on title?

  111. moononpluto Says:

    February 13th, 2009 at 5:53 am
    Obama threatening to sue anyone who sues him for BC Record.
    &&&&&&&&&

    Where did you find this info?

    Obama is a twisted, pathetic excuse for a human being.

  112. wbboei Says:
    February 13th, 2009 at 12:41 am
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Thanks for proving my point regarding Soros, wbb. Soros himself wasn’t responsible for the fnancial crisis. Soros isn’t a stupid man and as was noted at the article published at http //pumasunleashed.wordpress.com n the subject there is a paper trail on when, how and who is responsible for draining the financial resources in one felt swoop from the US economy causing a financial Black Hole.

    Your friend may point to Greenspan but it was Bernache, Paulson and Bush who were in charge of the Fed when the crisis occurred. I doubt the Banking Commission will ever investigate the cause OR the source of our Financial Crisis. So, it’s a given, they were all in on it…save for Soros.

  113. wbboei Says:

    February 13th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
    Four Tennessee legislators want Obama to prove citizenship
    —————————————–
    Why does he refuse to remove this cloud on title?
    &&&&&&&&&&

    Because he’d have to step down, and go on permanent Hawaiian vacation.

    If he didn’t step down, there would be steps to forcibly remove him from office.

  114. JanH Says:

    February 13th, 2009 at 9:43 am
    Gregg Announcement Casts White House In Bad Light

    ——————————————–
    It certainly does cast Obama in a bad light. Also, it calls to mind the axiom that in order to be an effective liar you must have a good memory of what you told them yesterday. But was it not big media–people like Gerghen et al. who were lauding bambi for his shrewdness in recruiting Gregg thereby removing one of his key GOP. Granted it came from big media who is clueless half the time and lying the other half. But assume for the sake of argument that this is what the dims were telling them then it does not support the dim argument now that Gregg was the one chasing the brass ring. Rather, it indicates that Obama was the one doing the pursuing. Meanwhile the conflict between Gibbs, Greasehead (Axelrod) and Obama is Saturday Night Live material.

  115. # rgb44hrc Says:
    February 13th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Why does he refuse to remove this cloud on title?
    &&&&&&&&&&

    Because he’d have to step down, and go on permanent Hawaiian vacation.
    If he didn’t step down, there would be steps to forcibly remove him from office.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    True- and the other aspect is this: The People responsible for getting Obama into the WH and by that I mean the principle string pullers.

    Their plan is to keep an ‘Ace up their Sleeve’…If Obama becomes unmanagable or has gone ROUGE and no longer does their bidding, they play the Natural Born Citizen Card.

    No one knows better then they do he is an Alien! When Obama’s usefullness is done, The outcome is simple.

    The SCOTUS awakens, demands an original BC, comes out smelling like a rose and Biden moves up a notch.

  116. Ginsburg’s cancer has not spread, court says

    30 mins ago
    ABC News

    WASHINGTON – Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s cancer was found at the earliest stage and has not spread beyond her pancreas, the court said Friday.

    The 75-year-old justice returned to her home in Washington Friday, after being released from the Memorial-Kettering Cancer Center in New York, the court said.

    The one-centimeter growth that doctors initially spotted during a CT scan in late January turned out, upon analysis, to be benign. But a second, even smaller tumor found by her surgeon, Dr. Murray Brennan, during the operation was malignant, the court said. Doctors classified the cancer as early stage, or TNM Stage 1.

    Tests on Ginsburg’s lymph nodes revealed no cancer and doctors found no spread of it elsewhere, the court said.

    Brennan removed Ginsburg’s spleen and a portion of the pancreas on Feb. 5.

    Ginsburg has indicated she will be at the court when the justices next hear arguments on Feb. 23.

  117. Why does he refuse to remove this cloud on title?
    &&&&&&&&&&

    Because he’d have to step down, and go on permanent Hawaiian vacation.

    If he didn’t step down, there would be steps to forcibly remove him from office
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    RGB: the question was rhetorical, your answer was great and I must tell you I see nothing wrong with that sceario except for the fact that it would advance the corrupt and incompetent Pelosi one step up the rung and that could finish off this country. A guiness book incompetent, and a Soros ally, according to my friend last night. Bad medicine.

    There are three other things my friend told me last night that I forgot to mention last night that are relevant observations. Let me recount them here for what they are worth.

    16. The problem with the Geitner approach to banking and the Pelosi approach to stimulus (consumption vs investment in infrastruture) which was confirmed by other sources such as the Asian Times is that it will not save the banking system because they still have the toxic assets, we will spend more good money after bad and it will lead to hyperinflation. (Note: I try to be careful here because some of the articles knocking this approach come from Republican business interests who oppose the plan because they favor the free market, in essence more to the dog that bit us. I discount tnose articles accordingly. But this critique comes from the creme of the Roosevelt tradition so I treat it very seriously.)

    17. Hillary has expanded the role of the State Department to include economic matters. That gives her additional clout. But it also undercuts the argument I was making yesterday that if Rome burns she is safe because as secretary of state she cannot comment on the bailout bill. He told me that Hillary joined the administration to save the country and if she feels Obama is taking us off the side of a cliff she would speak out. Right now however it is general quarters all hands on deck.

    18. James Jones, the one whom that American Thinker article suggested was a threat to state department primacy in the area of foreign affairs, and might therefore be a tool that Obama would use to marginalize Hillary, consistent with the lastest bile we see from toesucker Morris when he writes fictional accounts of the incredible shrinking Hillary and the NYT promotes the same clueless theme, is categorically and unequivocally wrong. Jones is a great American and a great patriot and a great marine and a great friend and ally to Hillary.

    19. We are seeing what the Obama model of leadership looks like. Appoint great people. Give them a general sense of direction though speeches. Inspire the nation. Install a basketball net at the white house and shoot hoops. Let big media drool. Well, it hasnt quite worked out so well has it. Yes, it is early but that scares me even more. Mr Obama who plans to govern by sticking close to his desk and never going to sea may find it harder and harder to be ruler of the Queens Navee. He needs to step into the fray, needs to face down Pelosi, needs to be a problemsolver, needs to continue to steer clear of Soros and remember something Napoleon said about the limited value of speeches to soldiers in a time of war:

    It is not studied speeches at the moment of battle that renders soldiers brave. The veteran scarcely listens to them and the recruit forgets them at the first discharge. (Note: the leader must be a person of action like Hillary–a courageous problemsolver as opposed to a troubadore seranading the likes of Matthews and Williams).

  118. One more time I ask why are the accusations about lincoln’s sexuality aired on CBS Morning program several years later when the fluff programs gave the issue no credence a few years ago? Is it a pathetic attempt to ingratiate waffles to the gay community?

  119. Paul’s response to the stimulus is: No We Can’t

    Failure to Rise

    By PAUL KRUGMAN
    Published: February 12, 2009

    By any normal political standards, this week’s Congressional agreement on an economic stimulus package was a great victory for President Obama. He got more or less what he asked for: almost $800 billion to rescue the economy, with most of the money allocated to spending rather than tax cuts. Break out the Champagne!

    Or maybe not. These aren’t normal times, so normal political standards don’t apply: Mr. Obama’s victory feels more than a bit like defeat. The stimulus bill looks helpful but inadequate, especially when combined with a disappointing plan for rescuing the banks. And the politics of the stimulus fight have made nonsense of Mr. Obama’s postpartisan dreams.

    Let’s start with the politics.

    One might have expected Republicans to act at least slightly chastened in these early days of the Obama administration, given both their drubbing in the last two elections and the economic debacle of the past eight years.

    But it’s now clear that the party’s commitment to deep voodoo — enforced, in part, by pressure groups that stand ready to run primary challengers against heretics — is as strong as ever. In both the House and the Senate, the vast majority of Republicans rallied behind the idea that the appropriate response to the abject failure of the Bush administration’s tax cuts is more Bush-style tax cuts.

    And the rhetorical response of conservatives to the stimulus plan — which will, it’s worth bearing in mind, cost substantially less than either the Bush administration’s $2 trillion in tax cuts or the $1 trillion and counting spent in Iraq — has bordered on the deranged.

    It’s “generational theft,” said Senator John McCain, just a few days after voting for tax cuts that would, over the next decade, have cost about four times as much.

    It’s “destroying my daughters’ future. It is like sitting there watching my house ransacked by a gang of thugs,” said Arnold Kling of the Cato Institute.

    And the ugliness of the political debate matters because it raises doubts about the Obama administration’s ability to come back for more if, as seems likely, the stimulus bill proves inadequate.

    For while Mr. Obama got more or less what he asked for, he almost certainly didn’t ask for enough. We’re probably facing the worst slump since the Great Depression. The Congressional Budget Office, not usually given to hyperbole, predicts that over the next three years there will be a $2.9 trillion gap between what the economy could produce and what it will actually produce. And $800 billion, while it sounds like a lot of money, isn’t nearly enough to bridge that chasm.

    Officially, the administration insists that the plan is adequate to the economy’s need. But few economists agree. And it’s widely believed that political considerations led to a plan that was weaker and contains more tax cuts than it should have — that Mr. Obama compromised in advance in the hope of gaining broad bipartisan support. We’ve just seen how well that worked.

    Now, the chances that the fiscal stimulus will prove adequate would be higher if it were accompanied by an effective financial rescue, one that would unfreeze the credit markets and get money moving again. But the long-awaited announcement of the Obama administration’s plans on that front, which also came this week, landed with a dull thud.

    The plan sketched out by Tim Geithner, the Treasury secretary, wasn’t bad, exactly. What it was, instead, was vague. It left everyone trying to figure out where the administration was really going. Will those public-private partnerships end up being a covert way to bail out bankers at taxpayers’ expense? Or will the required “stress test” act as a back-door route to temporary bank nationalization (the solution favored by a growing number of economists, myself included)? Nobody knows.

    Over all, the effect was to kick the can down the road. And that’s not good enough. So far the Obama administration’s response to the economic crisis is all too reminiscent of Japan in the 1990s: a fiscal expansion large enough to avert the worst, but not enough to kick-start recovery; support for the banking system, but a reluctance to force banks to face up to their losses. It’s early days yet, but we’re falling behind the curve.

    And I don’t know about you, but I’ve got a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach — a feeling that America just isn’t rising to the greatest economic challenge in 70 years. The best may not lack all conviction, but they seem alarmingly willing to settle for half-measures. And the worst are, as ever, full of passionate intensity, oblivious to the grotesque failure of their doctrine in practice.

    There’s still time to turn this around. But Mr. Obama has to be stronger looking forward. Otherwise, the verdict on this crisis might be that no, we can’t.

  120. Watching and listening to Hillary’s LIVE streaming video, did anyone else hear the statement made by moderator of the Asia Foundation regarding Geithner as Treasury Secretary? The relationship of the Geithner Family goes back a long way with the Asia Foundation. Particularly, with “Geithner’s father Peter and the Ford Foundation.”

    Interesting and informative conversation…

  121. Krugman has got it right. I just wish he was more forceful. And I wish he would restate his concerns about this inside the beltway passion to undermine social security as admin brilliantly points out. An orderly liqidation of bank debts is what I think he means by forcing banks to face up to their debts. The only thing I can equate this to in my life is in the early 70s I worked for a company that was the dominant player in the Alaska seafood industry in its heyday and is now long gone. During the tulip bubble period there was a gold rush in king crab and we were putting everthing that would float into those dangerous waters. We loaned out 13 million dollars to fishermen for boats, nets and gear and we did not bother to get marine mortages on the vessels, security interests in the nets, or even written agreements. We carried that debt on our books for years, at 12 points above prime to make out balance sheet look good. The fishermen did not deliver to us because they knew the money would be applied to the debt, so they sold to cash buyers on the fishing ground and we had to keep a cessa 185 flying over the fishing ground to keep honest men honest. Ultimately the company went bust. Let us hope we are smarter than that here.

  122. If four brave Tennessee congressmen can call for his birth certificate, why the hell can’t EVERY single Republican in the House and Senate do the same? Hey Republican congressmen: Ever heard of strength in numbers? You may not have the votes (thanks to Spector, Snowe and Collins) to stop the Spendulus, but you could damn sure put pressure on the Dems, and get your constituents behind you. Remember the Constitution? And the oath you took to UPHOLD it?

  123. He does have ants in his pants doesn’t he? Now MSM and his staff are giving out excuses for him to get into his “cool plane” and escape from the confines of an office and his desk***
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    Hardened Obama plans new fights; his dream of bipartisanship takes hit

    Jonathan Martin, Mike Allen Jonathan Martin, Mike Allen – 2 hrs 54 mins ago

    Emboldened by his victory on the stimulus package — but chastened by the pothole-pocked road that got him there — -President Barack Obama and his aides are plunging ahead on a large and expensive agenda that virtually assures 2009 will be marked by intense partisan battles about the size and role of government.

    White House aides say they have concluded that Obama too frequently lost control of the debate and his own image during the stimulus battle. By this reckoning, the story became too much about failed efforts at bipartisanship and Washington deal-making, and not enough about the president’s public salesmanship.

    For Obama’s next act, the program is the same as he has been planning for months: New Deal-style plans to rescue struggling homeowners and rewrite regulations on the financial markets, plus a budget proposal that lays the groundwork for sweeping health care reform.

    But the strategy to promote these items is getting an emergency overhaul. Obama plans to travel more and campaign more in an effort to pressure lawmakers with public support, rather than worrying about whether he can win over Republican votes in Congress. Officials suggested that the new, more partisan tone Obama embraced last week in his speech before House Democrats at their retreat and continued at his news conference Monday was what he should have been doing all along.

    Meeting with reporters Thursday night, White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel said that there were times during the stimulus debate when “I don’t think we were sharp about the benefits” of the legislation, letting Washington process dominate the message.

    Reflecting as “somebody who has been in this town,” he observed that “there’s an insatiable appetite for the notion of bipartisanship here and we allowed that to get ahead of ourselves.”

    But Emanuel said that they recognized they had overdone their initial outreach to Republicans and had offered “a sharp message for the last week.”

    For now, the hard-charging chief of staff added, “He has an open hand, but he has a very firm handshake.”

    Translation: Yes, the president will continue to do obligatory outreach to the GOP, but he’s not going to be burned again by an out-of-power and toothless minority for the sake of appearances.

    This may be the only practical course. Obama’s call for compromise and change in how Washington does its business was quickly rebuffed by both parties in Congress. Both Democrats and Republicans have political needs and authentic ideological priorities that matter a lot more to them than whether Washington is a civil place.

    Implicit in Obama’s lessons-learned appraisal from the stimulus battle is also a new realism about his own party. His initial decision to give House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the liberal House Democratic caucus so much leeway in drafting the stimulus bill allowed Obama to be tarred with some of the most controversial items in the package. Going on the road means he is able to soar over Pelosi’s head as well as Republicans.

    The Washington climate, which led to a party-line vote on the stimulus, has big political implications: It means that Obama will have sole ownership — whether that means credit or blame — for all the massive changes in government he envisions over the coming year.

    For the near term, Obama’s public agenda will keep its overwhelming emphasis on domestic matters, even as many of the most fundamental questions are in foreign policy. Within the administration, urgent reviews of Iraq and Afghanistan policies are underway. But the West Wing itself has been preoccupied, with Emanuel himself taking the lead on legislative arm-twisting on the stimulus vote.

    The president’s next few agenda items will be grouped as “getting the country’s financial house in order” — a plan to help struggling homeowners, financial regulatory reform and the budget.

    “Financial regulatory and housing are the other … legs of the economic stool,” Emanuel said. Looking ahead, he also mentioned stem-cell research and renewable standards on energy, Obama continues to plan for year-one action on health care, starting with his budget request, although officials announce that his ambitions have been set back by the withdrawal of Tom Daschle, who was to be his White House health czar and secretary of Health and Human Services.

    After a Valentine’s weekend getaway to Chicago, Obama will sign the stimulus package early next week and then make his first trip to the West, with stops planned in Colorado and Arizona. He’ll also leave the country for the first time as president, heading over the border Thursday for a one-day trip to Ottawa for meetings with Prime Minister Stephen Harper and other Canadian officials.

    The following week, the president will head to Capitol Hill to speak to a joint session of Congress, then will present his budget for 2010. On Feb. 23, the day before the address to Congress, the president will convene a “fiscal responsibility summit” in Washington, most likely at the White House, with top administration officials, members of Congress and outside groups to discuss entitlement and long-term budget issues.

    “There will be a lot of things [going on] slowly but concurrently,” a White House official said. “Senate] Finance will start working on health care, [House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry] Waxman will start working on energy, [House Financial Services Committee Chairman] Barney Frank will start working on regulatory reform.”

    Capitol Hill Democrats expect an energy bill to be fast-tracked, since Waxman wants to move ahead on a comprehensive energy and global warming bill. The White House may only pursue a lesser initial package dealing with such matters as funding the transmission grid.

    David Plouffe, Obama’s campaign manager, said the American people view Obama “even more strongly now than they did before,” because has responded to a “crisis of leadership” in the government and the corporate worlds — “a sense that no one was in charge, no one was trying to course-correct.”

    During his Thursday roundtable with print reporters, Emanuel pointed proudly to the “set of accomplishments” from Obama’s first three weeks, but acknowledged: “There are things both on the inside and the outside I would have changed.”

    “Inside, being how we would have handled certain negotiations,” he explained, noting that given the size and speed of a bill with “these many moving parts, there are differences [of] interpretation.”

    Obama looked liberated and at ease when he finally took to the road this week, prompting the banner headline “Salesman-in-chief” in his hometown Chicago Tribune. “We’ve got to get him out of that White House,” a top adviser said, listing “some very valuable lessons” learned from the stimulus fight. “He’s happier, he’s better, he’s more effective. The inside game is important, but it’s actually not where the success of his presidency is going to come.”

    Officials say that although Obama won’t necessarily travel every week, as was suggested in one briefing, he will continue to be out of the White House a lot. “He feels best, he is at his best, and our agenda is the most popular and at its best when it’s getting sold by the popular in the administration and the person who connects with voters,” one official said.

    A longtime adviser contends that Obama “actually didn’t spend a lot of political capital” on the stimulus, “because at the end of the day, he wasn’t on the phone begging Democrats to vote for it.” The adviser added: “He’s going to get credit for getting some stuff done at a time when people are just desperate to feel like something is happening.”

  124. I just watched and heard the most talented woman of our political time make history.Precise,clear,effective and dedicated in her new position as SoS.A star that will unite this troubled world as no one has done before her.There should be no doubt in anyones mind as to the reason she chose to accept this awesome responsibility to bring the world together and solve its mounting problems.A flawless presentation to an anxious world craving leadership and peace.Her team will serve her well

    Barack Hussein Obama WHO?
    Condoleezza Rice WHO?
    US Congress WHO?

    By ABM90 We do have Hillary to turn to.Fight for her.The Media
    is our enemy and will continue to pull the strings for their chosen one.

  125. Jonathan Martin, Mike Allen Jonathan Martin, Mike Allen – 2 hrs 54 mins ago

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    Oh what bullshit! That’s nothing but an Obama spin release.

    If he wanted to help homeowners, he’d have put it in one of the bills that have already passed.

  126. And I would be remiss if I didn’t mention Hillary’s statements from her Asian conference regarding the work she plans on doing with other countries and her specific knowledge with details to every question asked of her by the moderator.

    Her responses were awesome. I’m sure leaving everyone in attendance at the conference awestruck at her acute knowledge and understanding of attending to World solutions.

    Hillary by far is the most astute politician we have representing us in the country bar none! We are very lucky she is who she is knowing she is there for us and the betterment of our country, building bridges for us everywhere she travels.

    She is an amazing person with the skills and multitasking talent never seen before in anyone holding the position of Secretary of State.

    Bill was right! Hillary is Magnificent. I’m thrilled she’s taken the opportunity to shine and is running with the ball.

  127. Oh, Lord, will someone take this damned computer away from me before I start talking about Lincoln/Dumbledore slash.

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