Barack Obama’s Flim-Flam “Stimulus” Scam

We are going to continue our discussion of the Barack Obama flim-flam-“stimulus”-plan today.

We are tempted to address Hypocrite Obama signing onto pay equity for women now but not practicing pay equity in his own campaign and Senate office; Hypocrite Republicans complaining about what they defended during the George W. Bush years; Hypocrite Obama supporters complaining that Obama is doing stupid “unity” nonsense which they defended during the campaign and attacked “celestial choirs” Hillary Clinton for mocking; Hypocrite Democrats complaining about the looted economy during the Bush years but now looting the economy themselves; Hypocrite Obama officials threatening Republicans who “must” cooperate whether they want to or not; Hypocrite Obama hiring lobbyists; Hypocrite Obama supporters defending Hypocrite Obama hiring lobbyists; and last but not least, Hypocrite Illinois politicians removing Governor Blagojevich for the very corruption they themselves engage in.

We’ll resist the temptation to rail against the hypocrites and persist with our dissection of the Obama flim-flam-“stimulus”-plan.

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Barack Obama is the Third Bush Term. Same tactics, same results: Demonize opponents in order to rush through a scam. Garbage in, garbage out.

The $825 billion plan to pick up the U.S. economy and revise how issues are considered in the future should be split, a former budget director says. [snip]

In testimony before the House Budget Committee Tuesday, Alice Rivlin, budget director for former President Bill Clinton, suggested lawmakers implement the stimulus section now and take a slower approach to build the longer-term spending components.

Such a long-term investment program should not be put together hastily and lumped in with the anti-recession package,” Rivlin testified.

A respected and competent Democrat, Alice Rivlin is sending out as polite a warning to thinking progressives and fellow Democrats as possible. It is not easy for Democrats to speak out about Barack Obama’s biggest scam. But Alice Rivlin has taken out the red flag and is waving it, politely, for all to see.

Smart Democrat Alice Rivlin has some understanding of the mess which is Obama’s Flim-Flam “Stimulus” Scam:

Republican criticism of the stimulus package that the House will vote on tonight has focused on its soaring price tag, but some Democrats on Capitol Hill and other administration supporters are voicing a separate critique: that the plan may fall short in its broader goal of transforming the American economy over the long term.

President Obama, who promoted the $825 billion package at the Capitol yesterday, says the proposal serves two functions — creating jobs and stimulating the economy in the short term, and laying the groundwork for overhauls in energy, health care and infrastructure that would be felt for decades. But some administration supporters say that while they appreciate Obama’s intent, the two goals are competing with each other, and that the package could end up missing both targets.

Wake up real Democrats and Real Progressives! It’s not Rush Limbaugh vs. Obama – it’s Real Democrats who want to protect Social Security and secure the economy vs. Barack Obama and his flim-flam “stimulus” scam.

In testimony before the House Budget Committee yesterday, Alice M. Rivlin, who was President Bill Clinton’s budget director, suggested splitting the plan, implementing its immediate stimulus components now and taking more time to plan the longer-term transformative spending to make sure it is done right.

Such a long-term investment program should not be put together hastily and lumped in with the anti-recession package. The elements of the investment program must be carefully planned and will not create many jobs right away,” said Rivlin, a fellow at the Brookings Institution. The risk, she said, is that “money will be wasted because the investment elements were not carefully crafted.”

For some House Democrats, the problem is less a matter of balancing the short and long term than a shortage of focus and will on the part of the administration. Their disappointment centers on the relatively small amount devoted to long-lasting infrastructure investments in favor of spending on a long list of government programs. While each serves a purpose, the critics say, they add up to less than the sum of their parts, and fall far short of the transformative New Deal-like vision many of them had entertained.

It will take a lot of courage for the emerging NObama coalition to speak up and vote against the Hopium addled and other Social Security looters. Barack Obama and his crimelords are attacking the elderly and the young. The elderly Obama will target with inflation and an attack on Social Security, the young Obama will attack with a debt they will inherit.

Every penny of the $825 billion is borrowed against the future of our kids and grandkids, and so the question is: What benefit are we providing them? What are we doing for the country? It’s the difference between real investment that will serve the nation for 30, 50 years and tax cuts, and that’s a very poor tradeoff,” said Rep. Peter A. DeFazio (D-Ore.). “I go to my district and people say, ‘Yeah, I can use 10 extra bucks a week, but I would rather see more substantial investment.’ We’ve gone through a couple bubbles that were borrowing and consumer-driven. We want a recovery that’s solid and based in investment and productivity, and that points us at building things that will serve us decades to come.”

This is not a “stimulus” bill. It is a political money waste designed to influence the 2010 elections.

Republican John L. Mica of Florida laughs at Obama’s flim-flammery: “They keep comparing this to Eisenhower, but he proposed a $500 billion highway system, and they’re going to put $30 billion” in roads and bridges, he said.How farcical can you be? Give me a break.”

This is not a “stimulus” bill. It is a political money waste designed to influence the 2010 elections. Long-term, well thought out programs will take time to plan for, design, and implement. Well thought out plans will take too long to have a dramatic impact on the economy by 2010. So Obama wants to drench the economy with dollars immediately, knowing full well the money is going down a rat hole and will later bring an ugly inflation – but for Obama politics comes first.

Real Democrats and Real Progressives must know that after wasting trillions, resistance will grow to doing what actually needs to be done. “After this initial rush . . . a lot of people are going to begin to wonder about whether we’re pushing the limits of our borrowing capacity here, and I’m afraid that when it comes time to do more robust investment . . . it will be ‘pay as you go,’ ” DeFazio said.

Energy experts are also weighing in on the trumpted energy programs. But they, too, worry that spending rapidly in search of a stimulative effect — and without sufficiently educating consumers — could keep the technology from meeting its full potential.

Republican Representative Ron Paul is usually someone we don’t pay attention to or heed. But Ron Paul has been around and he sees the old Chicago Razzle Dazzle and the old Bush Bushwa:

This week the House passed an $819 billion economic stimulus package. In reality, this bill is just an escalation of a government-created economic mess. As before, a sense of urgency and impending doom is being used to extract mountains of money from Congress with minimal debate. So much for change. This is déjà vu. We are again being promised that its passage will help employment, help homeowners, help the environment, etc. These promises are worthless. This time around especially, Congress should know better than to pass anything of this magnitude without first reading the fine print. There are many red flags that I have found in this bill.

Ron Paul has a list of questionable appropriations (“expanding the police state and the war on drugs“) that bear examination. The request for examination of appropriations is reasonable and usually considered a congressional responsiblity.

The Rivlin and Paul warnings are not unreasonable. The Razzle Dazzle Rush Rush is a flim-flam man’s favorite tool to part a fool from his or her money.

Imagine that. The most expensive social experiment in American history — one that will cost taxpayers more than both the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined — was allotted less then a single day of debate in Congress.

How many speed-reading whiz kid representatives do you think slogged past their own pork to read the entire 647, or so, pages of the “stimulus” menu? [snip]

According to a new Rasmussen poll, 42 percent of the nation’s likely voters support the president’s plan, while 39 oppose it and 19 are undecided. The public’s support for the plan is down 3 points in a week — and this, without even having any time to chew on the specifics. Obviously, there is no time to waste.

George W. Bush engaged in the similar scare game when pushing through his $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program. But whereas Bush looked like a third-grader asking mom for an advance on his allowance, Obama has awe-inspiring confidence to pretend he actually can fix a recession.

Something is being fixed, but it’s not the economy.

The nation’s budget deficit will soar to an unprecedented $1.2 trillion this year, congressional budget analysts said yesterday, a startling tide of red ink that could dampen enthusiasm on Capitol Hill for some of President-elect Barack Obama’s most ambitious priorities.

In the first official estimate of the damage done to the nation’s finances by a weakening economy and various financial-sector bailouts, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reported that the gap between government spending and available revenue will exceed 8 percent of the overall economy by the end of September, a chasm not seen since the end of World War II.

The news drew a grim reaction from Congress, where the chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), called the figure “jaw-dropping.” While lawmakers said they expect to dig this year’s hole even deeper by approving a massive stimulus package aimed at pulling the nation out of recession, Conrad and his House counterpart, Rep. John M. Spratt Jr. (D-S.C.), said they have warned Obama to limit the package to temporary measures that will not add to the deficit in future years.

Again, the polite red warning flags are waved by those who fear Obama. The dangers in the Barack Obama flim-flam “stimulus” bill are real. Shouting down gasbags like Rush Limbaugh and Hypocrite Republicans who cheered George W. Bush’s irresponsibilities is a distraction meant to rally thinking Democrats and thinking progressives from actually thinking about the dangers of this mess of a flim-flam “stimulus” bill.

The two Democratic budget leaders also cautioned Obama to find ways to pay for any other initiatives he pursues after taking office later this month, including expensive promises to expand access to health care for the uninsured, develop new sources of alternative energy and offer a bevy of new tax cuts to middle-class families.

“We should be very skeptical about any policy changes that add to the deficit and the debt that are permanent in nature,” Conrad said told reporters. “It is a mistake to do things that add to the deficit and debt beyond the period for economic recovery.”

Real Democrats and Real Progressives should keep first principles in mind:

Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

Obama cannot be trusted and his target, like George W. Bush’s is Social Security:

Obama once again declined to say how he plans to eliminate the growing budget gap, which is projected to narrow somewhat as the economy improves but explode again as the retiring baby boom generation sends the cost of the entitlement programs — Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare — skyrocketing. Obama said he will offer “very specific outlines” for addressing short- and long-term deficits when he submits his first budget proposal to Congress next month.

“We are beginning consultations with members of Congress around how we expect to approach the deficit,” Obama said. “We expect that discussion around entitlements will be a part, a central part, of those plans.”

So far, however, Conrad said Obama’s team has been cool to requests to establish a bipartisan task force that would reexamine the entitlement programs, as well as the nation’s tax system, and develop a long-term plan for bringing costs and revenue in line.

Real Progressives and Real Democrats must wake up and realize Obama cannot be trusted. Obama is planning a great betrayal Social Security Treacherythat is why Obama wants to rush through this ill-conceived flim-flam “stimuls” plan before he reveals his treacheries. Universal Health-care is already betrayed (as Jim Clyburn revealed) Social Security is next.

The treachery will be masked as “necessary” by flim-flam man Obama in order to benefit his donors and Chicago crime lords:

Meanwhile, Spratt said Obama’s team is pressing for a new tax cut for working families in the stimulus package that would be made permanent in Obama’s first budget.

I keep telling them to defer judgment: Don’t do anything permanent now,” Spratt said. Otherwise, “how do you get rid of a deficit of this magnitude?”

Spratt said he got “sticker shock” when he opened yesterday’s CBO report.

The picture it paints is bleak: The CBO predicts that the recession that began in December 2007 will extend well into this year, driving unemployment to more than 9 percent by early 2010. (The unemployment rate is currently 6.7 percent.) Plummeting home prices, which touched off the panic in financial markets last year, are likely to fall another 14 percent by 2010, and foreclosure rates are likely to remain high. As a result, federal tax collections are expected to drop by $166 billion this year.

Government spending, meanwhile, is expected to skyrocket to nearly 25 percent of the economy, the report says, “a level exceeded only during the later years of World War II.” One of the biggest expenses will be the estimated $240 billion to incorporate mortgage-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into the federal budget. The twin firms were taken over by the government in September.

There is only one place to get money: Social Security.

The scam called TARP (Troubled Assets Relief Program) which bailed out the gamblers is costing American taxpayers $700 billion. Those costs, combined with falling tax collections, are expected to drive the deficit to $1.2 trillion this year, or 8.3 percent of the overall economy — the largest budget gap as a percentage of gross domestic product since 1945. Next year’s deficit is projected to drop to 4.9 percent of the economy, or $703 billion.

But the worse is yet to come. Both figures substantially understate the problem, however. If Congress approves Obama’s request for nearly $800 billion in spending and tax cuts, this year’s deficit could easily soar to $1.6 trillion.

This year’s budget deficit can easily top $1.6 trillion. Obama sees trillion dollar deficits in the future too. The money will come from Social Security.

Even if the package of spending and tax cuts helps restore the nation’s immediate economic health, Obama said, the government is likely to be left with “trillion-dollar deficits for years to come” unless policymakers “make a change in the way that Washington does business.”

“We’re going to have to stop talking about budget reform. We’re going to have to totally embrace it. It’s an absolute necessity,” the president-elect told reporters a day before the Congressional Budget Office is set to release its outlook for the coming year.

Obama faces the twin challenges of managing the deficit, the annual gap between tax revenues and spending, and the swelling national debt, the amount of money that the government has borrowed to finance years of deficits. His task is made all the more difficult because new spending is widely viewed as the best way to pull the nation out of the recession. While Obama has declined to say how he intends to deal with such challenges, an economic adviser said yesterday that the president-elect plans to unveil “major initiatives” designed to eventually bring the deficit under control as part of his first budget proposal, which he will submit to Congress next month.

That is as clear as flim-flam man Obama ever speaks. Trillions in budget deficits will be spent this year, which adds to the national debt, and trillions more in budget deficits will be spent in years ahead. Obama also says he will submit a plan, after the flim-flam “stimulus” is passed – “major initiatives” designed to eventually bring the deficit under control. In other words, loot Social Security.

Republicans, ever eager to destroy Social Security will assist Obama. That is why Obama is courting Republicans.

Real Democrats and Real Progressives must wake up and oppose Barack Obama’s Flim-Flam “Stimulus” Scam.

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309 thoughts on “Barack Obama’s Flim-Flam “Stimulus” Scam

  1. samantha powers the women who worked for obama on the campaign trail and called our girl hillary a monster is getting a nice cushy job at the white house….. change you can believe in.

  2. LOL…turndown…

    I was just thinking the same thing.

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    Admin,

    “This is not a “stimulus” bill. It is a political money waste designed to influence the 2010 elections.”

    I’m not sure America can afford the “change” obama is determined to push on them.

  3. turndownobama, there was much debate about placing those pictures. On the one hand they make a point. On the other hand, they do pollute things a bit. We think of this place as an oasis, pink, and lovely. Bush and Obama pictures don’t really go with the decor but a point is being made. We put them at the bottom of the column and they will go lower as we place more items above. But still….

    They’ll stay up for now, but we might dump them just as rapidly.

  4. Paul Krugman should read our article today. It would explain a great deal to him.

    Krugman today questions Obama on health care. As we included in today’s article, Jim Clyburn has already said it is off the table.

    We suspect that the Krugman article today is an attempt by a White House person who wants health care to communicate via Krugman and put pressure on for health care in internal debates. This person sounds worried and Krugman is helping to send a message.

    Krugman excerpts:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/30/opinion/30krugman.html?_r=1
    Which raises a question: Why has the Obama administration been silent, at least so far, about one of President Obama’s key promises during last year’s campaign — the promise of guaranteed health care for all Americans?

    Let’s talk about the magnitude of the looming health care disaster. [snip]

    Finally — and this is, I suspect, the real reason for the administration’s health care silence — there’s the political argument that this is a bad time to be pushing fundamental health care reform, because the nation’s attention is focused on the economic crisis. But if history is any guide, this argument is precisely wrong. [snip]

    One more thing. There’s a populist rage building in this country, as Americans see bankers getting huge bailouts while ordinary citizens suffer.

    I agree with administration officials who argue that these financial bailouts are necessary (though I have problems with the specifics). But I also agree with Barney Frank, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, who argues that — as a matter of political necessity as well as social justice — aid to bankers has to be linked to a strengthening of the social safety net, so that Americans can see that the government is ready to help everyone, not just the rich and powerful.

    The bottom line, then, is that this is no time to let campaign promises of guaranteed health care be quietly forgotten. It is, instead, a time to put the push for universal care front and center. Health care now!

  5. Another Lobbyist Enters the Obama Administration

    January 29, 2009

    By Robert Schlesinger, Thomas Jefferson Street blog

    Another former lobbyist enters the Obama administration …

    From The Hill:

    After unveiling the rules on his first full day in office, Obama was forced to waive them for a Raytheon executive nominated as deputy secretary of Defense. On Tuesday, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner announced new department rules on lobbying even as he was hiring former Goldman Sachs lobbyist Mark Patterson as his chief of staff.

    I’ve blogged a couple of times on the Obama lobbying ban. As I’ve said before, I’m not unsympathetic to the concerns about the government-lobbyist revolving door, but the rhetoric on this issue was too sweeping and led to a ban that is unworkable, as evidenced by the increasing number of waivers (at least three now, including Patterson and Defense Department nominee William Lynn) being granted to get around it.

    “These waivers are supposed to be very select and very rare,” said Public Citizen’s Craig Holman, who advised Obama’s transition team as it crafted the lobbying rules. He said there are “plenty of competent people” available to the Defense Department who do not work for major defense contractors.

    “The waiver we saw already was inappropriate,” Holman said of the exception granted to Lynn. He said Lynn has a vested interest in Raytheon, and could serve as a model for why the lobbying rules preventing conflicts of interest are necessary.

    How many days into the administration are we? At this rate, how many waivers will we have by pitchers and catchers?

    usnews.com/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2009/01/29/another-lobbyist-enters-the-obama-administration.html

  6. JanH

    Richardson was on TV last night trying to explain how he will balance the deficit budget here in New Mexico, Something obiviously O does not have to do. How the worlds largest economy can get away with submitting a bill of this magnitude and not show how they will pay for it blows my mind. But then he did not do much explaining during the primary and the General. People were just going on the Kool Aid.

    The hidden side of this is the debt that the States are getting themselves into. California, I think like the worlds 11th largest economy, is failing. Governments in many states are having a problem paying their unemployment benefits (so where did all that money go that people and companies paid to the states, I will never know). I hear that Kentucky is borrowing to pay their unemployment benefits. At least in NM we must have a balanced budget. That mean curtailments and layoffs which will shift some of this wage expense to another catagory, unemployment. They are saying in this state it will not straighten out for about 2 – 3 years.

    O had no experience, and lacks the basic business skills of presenting a bill or budget with an explaination of how we will get out of debt and save the economy. That is a task that takes more than a few weeks to put together.

    We don’t need checks in the mail to all ciitzens, or large checks to corporate entities which we don’t audit. We need to bit the bullet now, and fix what took years to bring us to our knees. That, however, might cost you reelection.

    Everyone sits there and says, he does not need to have the expeirence, he only needs great people around him. We breath a sigh of relief because there are Clinton people there.

    However, the downfall of Bush was a leader has to manage this group of experts, and be able to tell when it is not working together, and when they are going down the wrong path. Bush did not know this, and neither does O.

    He hit social security it will be interesting the reaction. Hitting SS has brought many Ameircan leaders to their knees. In addition, if this eocnomy is not better in 18 months, re-election will be a hard sell. I wonder what assurances he had that this plan will get him re-elected.

    The people advising him have never seen the magnitude of what is happening to this economy. That does not make me feel good.

  7. Admin

    1. I like the new HRC photo, and O going to the bottom rapidly

    2. When people are laid off at the numbers we are seeing, you need medical and dental more than ever. Our people without health care is not only gotten larger but will continue to grow. This package need to begin the safety net for them. SO WHERE IS IT.

    3. By the way, Admin, I notice that you said WE had much discussion about the Bush to O photos. So either their is a committee handling this site or you have multiple personalities. (I am sorry I just had to add that.)

  8. NewMexicoFan Says:

    January 30th, 2009 at 11:01 am
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    Thanks for the update and poignant analysis. I agree.

  9. # admin Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    turndownobama, there was much debate about placing those pictures. On the one hand they make a point. On the other hand, they do pollute things a bit. We think of this place as an oasis, pink, and lovely. Bush and Obama pictures don’t really go with the decor but a point is being made. We put them at the bottom of the column and they will go lower as we place more items above. But still….

    They’ll stay up for now, but we might dump them just as rapidly.
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    Admin: I think the pictures in the right hand column are appropriate. They frame the issues and serve as a reminder, it only took
    eight short years to go from Prosperity to Poverty to the Prospect of a collapsed economy!

    I’m hearing from the BBC, Parisians are revolting against Sarkozy. Police are using tear-gas to dispel the I.5 million people who are striking and protesting against France’s government services because the anemic Bail-Out Sarkozy is proposing, a good portion will be going to corporate bailouts with very little money allocated for distressed homeowners, the jobless and the poor.

    We’re seeing very little about this happenng on our radar screens. Big media afraid of stampeding the American public.

  10. Mrs. Smith

    Having lived in France, that is so typlical They had a gazzillion revolution there, and the people are in the streets at a minutes notice. I use to defrost my refrigerator everytime they had an electrical strike, and that happen often.

    As I have stated here before in France, the government is afraid of the people and in American people are afraid of the government.

    In a democracy I think it is the people that rule. In American we no longer have that.

  11. Team Obama finally mobilizing e-mail list

    Team Obama is mobilizing the president’s campaign supporters for the first time Friday morning since the vast network was formed into the new group, Organizing for America.

    The group, housed within the Democratic National Committee, will send an e-mail Friday to anyone who hosted or attended an Obama house party during the campaign encouraging them to organize economic stimulus house gatherings next weekend, according to Democratic sources

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/18208.html

  12. Wow Senator Gillibrand speaks Mandarin

    news.yahoo.com/s/mcb_china/20090130/wl_mcb_china/china200901meetlutiannanewussenatorhtml

  13. I sure am in tune with many of you this morning. I wrote this to myself during breakfast with no intention of posting it (often a little shy about sharing my thoughts) but well, here:

    Does anyone in Washington ever consider the fact that when “the masses” are left with nothing to lose they turn on the ruling class? i.e. roll out the guillotine?

    I don’t think anyone in this country has thought much about that since FDR, but in his day we were getting close to revolt and he knew it. My father knew it, too, and he and many others in our town were ready to join up and carry a gun. They weren’t angry: they were profoundly disillusioned and despairing of a better life in the current system. They, like millions of others, had lost all trust in elected officials, had arrived at total contempt for the wealthy, and felt the only way to be heard was through the last resort – grim organized violence bent on destroying what was corrupt and exploitive.

    Along with a decent rate of employment, Social Security is probably the main reason Americans have remained complacent in periods of less than perfect government and economy since then. As for medical care, does anyone recall that a few years ago audiences in movie theatres stood up and cheered as Denzel Washington held a hospital hostage to get the care his son needed? – that cheer came out of a depth of frustration which is still seething.

    And I don’t believe Republicans want to destroy SS. Maybe SOME Repubs and SOME Dems of wealth and power, but ask the Repubs and Dems who need SS as part of their retirement plans, and I’m sure they won’t say, oh, sure take it away.

    If life gets to be much harder for “the masses” and I were in a position of wealth and power, I might soon be getting a little nervous, but of course, that class is always clueless about their vulnerability until those-that-have-not actually attack them on the street and bloody their noses or until “the masses” call out a nation-wide strike against industry, transportation, mail service, computer service, etc etc Lately in America, everyone seems to think it couldn’t happen here. How easily we forget our past.

  14. lil ole grape, I have been thinking in the same vein. I just do not believe that I can sit and watch as these bamboozlers destroy the future of my future generations. I am expecting a second great-grandchild in the middle of next year. And, although, health care and prescription drug costs are a BIG concern for myself and my husband, these needs could cause it to be necessary to raid their inheritance and leave them with nothing.

    And yes the citizens wear blinders and have been bamboozled and okie doked, but I do not feel any empathy for those – I just feel great dispair over what each of their future generations will have to endure.

  15. Why is there no discussion of how vulnerable we will be if this plan goes through. A trillion plus deficit? Orchestrated? We were able to rebound after 9/11 but if something like that or worse happenned with the country crippled by debt what would be the result? As all of this unfolds I feel like I am reading a novel by the guy who wrote The Hunt for Red October.

  16. lil ole grape

    Amen

    I am currently seeking dental care for a family member. We only recently got dental insurance. We went to one of the recommended dentist, who referred us for a consult. That person presented an estimate bill of $2,680 of which if we were lucky the insurance would only pay half, and referred us to another specialists to have the extactions done. A phone call to them indicated they would not deal with health insurance for the most part.

    I then proceeded to go to a dental clinic one of the hosptials has for a second opinion. Their estimate for the same bill was $1,500, they would do the extractions also as so much per tooth, and they would deal with the insurance.

    In Canada, dentures are made by skilled workers, not doctors, and they are very reasonable (the estimate was for dentures). In American, we are forced to go to Doctors. My research has told me this really affects street people in the US, as their dental help is non existance, and getting any dentures is slim to none. In Canada they can take care of these people to a much greater extent. We have a place called affordable dentures, which is approximately $600 on set. Remember it is in Canada we can purchase perscripiton drugs at far less than in the States.

    So the poorest of our country are obviously getting taken here. One would think this country would be looking at if not providing many of these services as cheaply as possible, if they don’t have government health care.

    So not only do we not have that, we are getting taken. In addition, at one time they wanted to restrict us from purchaseing our drugs in Canada. Does that sound like a country that is taking care of its people?

    Oh that is right, we take care of our CEOs and their golden parachutes.

  17. Admin,

    This article almost gave ME a heart attack!

    The picture you paint it terrifying. Because of your knack of simplifying issues so non-finance/political wonks like me can understand them I have a better grasp of the scope of the ‘flim-flam.’

    😯

  18. New MexicoFan
    What is grossly absurd is the fact that dental health has been proven to have a direct correlation to over all health. Basicly bad teeth or gums cause early death(heart disease mostly). Even more important who will hire a person with obvious missing teeth. Only in the last few years has New York state made dental care a prime issue in dealing with addiction. Imagine struggling with demons and addiction spending six months in an all out battle for your soul living in a half way house and then being dumped on the street and beating the pavement trying to get any job, but noone will hire you.

  19. # admin Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    turndownobama, there was much debate about placing those pictures.
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    What pictures? Where?

    To quote Vinnie Barberino: “Whu? Where?”

  20. http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000003021235&cpage=1

    this is off topic and written by a conservative writer – I read it over at RBO…touches on ‘the Chicago way’ and the takedown of Blago…interesting take…

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    the scope of the ‘flim-flam’ is going to drag us into a black hole none of us will see any daylight from…why can’t these leaders use common sense? they become those they once railed against – this is not change…the only change going on is that the money is changing hands and going into different pockets…

    …and the response you get from Dem leadership is ‘they won’

  21. Grape-

    What you speak of here is the pattern of history. There is a natural alliance between elites and the underclass which manifests itself again and again. Both believe they are unconstrained by the rules of society. Both prey on the middle class in different ways. Eventually it is destroyed.

    If you watch the opening scene in the movie Gladiator, you see a Roman soldier walking through a field caressing wheat. The Roman soldier was of the yoman class–the middle class of that day and their wealth was held in small farms. They were farmers and at the end of their military service-if the survived they went back to the land.

    History records that the Roman general Sciprio Africanus (a greater than Napoleon) defeated Carthage in the last Punic War and we are told that Roman legions sprikled salt on the land so nothing would grow there for a thousand years. That is a fine story to tell to children.

    What actually happened was this. The big businessmen of that era began producing wheat in the Carthaginian empire. The land was fertile, slave labor was abundant and it was cheaper for the big businessmen to produce wheat abroad than domestically.

    At or near that time Rome degenerated from a republic to a dictatorship. A republic is an obligarchy which is consrained by a set of laws. The yeoman class was destroyed through a combination of high taxes and low wheat prices caused by foreign competition. They abandoned the farms and moved to the outskirts of Rome where they joined the ranks of the underclass.

    The Roman elites responded with bread and circuses to pacify the restive masses. The remnants of the yeoman class refused to raise their swords for Rome because they saw through the deceit and corruption of the elites. The state was no loner worth defending. Consequently, the elites turned to the barbarian tribes to defend them.

    I had dinner with a friend of mine last night. He is Spanish and his family lived through the communist revoulutions in Spain and Cuba. He Princeton graduate who was assistant to the Chairman of Citibank in the 80s. He is now a small businessman struggling like the rest of us in the middle class, and disgusted with what he is seeing.

    He is the one who gave me the short history lesson recounted above. At the end of it I asked him in the context of history is Mr. Obama. I expected him to say Augustus. Instead he said this: Mr. Obama is the first Visigoth.

    Let us hope he is wrong.

  22. Henry, you are so right about the medical implications. I even dicussed that with the health insurance people. For instance if you have an infected tooth is that not a health issue. They say no, even though that could get into your blood stream, and there had been many articles that state a healthy mouth is a factor in good heart health. The only thing covered is impacted teeth.

    I am afraid that I get short tempered about all of this stuff. In addition, just discussing these issues with a provider takes am act of God. It reminds me of our home and car insurance people. They are johnny on the spot to take your money, and cancel at a moments notice, but if you need to claim, the claims people are rewarded by how many claims they turn down. In other words, they want your money, but they do not want to cover you.

  23. Basil9, yes, the picture is frightening. We had a whole section on the inflation situation which we deleted because the article was much too long as it was. We’ll see what Obama is really up to when he shows his cards on Social Security.

    rgb44hrc, the discussion was about the pictures at the bottom of the right hand column.

    BTW, those naughty, but smart people at Hillbuzz like our “It’s no longer Hillaryland…it’s Hillary World Wide”. They have a picture of Hillary’s official portrait as well as other smart stuff. They’ve been very on target and funny regarding Caroline I.

  24. S, the flim-flam “stimulus” is in trouble. It will likely pass – but this morning Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska, a Democrat, was asked if any Republican Senators would vote for the bill. Nelson said he wasn’t sure about many Democrats let alone Republicans.

    There was also an interview with Senator Conrad and he said he wasn’t sure if he would vote for the bill. They all want lots of changes.

    The flim-flam is failing with the public too. The Senate will vote Monday and then the bill goes to conference then back to the House and Senate for more votes. By then it is possible that a majority of Americans will be against the bill and the Republicans will gather their hypocrite selves sufficiently together to block the flim-flam.

    All is not darkness, there are glimmers of light. We think of it as being trapped in a cave in trying to find a draft of air and happily seeing a glint of light in the darkness. Pick at that light and let the sunshine in.

  25. I have to admit that economic issues make my head swim, but even I can see, that this bill is too rushed. It is not thought out very well, and seems like a hodgepodge of pet projects and pork. 300 million for stds, but nothing for family planning? I’m not sure either issues belongs in a stimulus package, but should be part of a health care package. Remodeling costs for the Commerce building? Fish ladders? Bees? Although bees are vital for agricultural purposes. It would be more beneficial to break it into more manageable pieces. I don’t have very good feelings about this.

  26. Wbboei, the 12 Caesars period when Rome degenerates is a good starting point for understanding what is happening in today’s America. But it is the Punic Wars that are eerily on target. Same problems. Carthage challenging Rome for supremacy and the trade routes and raw materials are like reading a modern newspaper.

    We are always easy to spot – just look for a copy of Punic Wars and Caesar’s The Civil War. BTW, we like Caesar but our favorites are the Gracchi brothers. The Gracchi are a good read and a good lesson even unto today.

    It sounds like you had a very good and interesting conversation. Your friend is smart. Obama is no Augustus and even Visigoth gives too much credit – more like Cleopatra’s asp.

  27. Thanks admin. Yes, the Bush morphing into Ofraud is excellent! Where did you find them?

    I vote to keep them up. Yay satire.

    For those who complain that it may cause damage to your computers or unpleastant bodily reactions, think of it as a vaccination to help build up your resistance.

  28. wbboei, admin, the Visigoth parallel is a stretch because they came from outside the cultures they conquered, but I think I do see the point of the reference to Gaius and Tiberius Gracchus, who used the populist platform to obtain power. Perhaps the power to rule was all they really wanted, however, and, anyway, their whole platform went to shit in the ensuing struggle to rule by overcoming the traditional positions of the time, including the Senate. Whether whatever idealisn they had in wanting to help the common people got lost in the struggle or whether they never really cared about the people at all is maybe still a question, but there’s plenty of evidence that Obama never cared about the people at all. Umm, is that the point or have I missed it?

  29. From Hillbuzz:

    • $20 million “for the removal of small- to medium-sized fish passage barriers.” (Pg. 45 of Senate Appropriations Committee report: “20,000,000 for the removal of small- to medium-sized fish passage barriers)

    • $400 million for STD prevention (Pg. 60 of Senate Appropriations Committee report: “CDC estimates that a proximately 19 million new STD infections occur annually in the United States …The Committee has included $400,000,000 for testing and prevention of these conditions.”)

    • $25 million to rehabilitate off-roading (ATV) trails (Pg. 45 of Senate Appropriations Committee report: “$25,000,000 is for recreation maintenance, especially for rehabilitation of off-road vehicle routes, and $20,000,000 is for trail maintenance and restoration”)

    • $34 million to remodel the Department of Commerce HQ (Pg. 15 of Senate Appropriations Committee report: $34,000,000 for the Department of Commerce renovation and modernization”)

    • $70 million to “Support Supercomputing Activities” for climate research (Pgs. 14-15 of Senate Appropriations Committee Report: $70,000,000 is directed to specifically support supercomputing activities, especially as they relate to climate research)

    • $150 million for honey bee insurance (Pg. 102 of Senate Appropriations Committee report: “The Secretary shall use up to $ 50,000,000 per year, and $150,000,000 in the case of 2009, from the Trust Fund to provide emergency relief to eligible producers of livestock, honey bees, and farm-raised fish to aid in the reduction of losses due to disease, adverse weather, or other conditions, such as blizzards and wildfires, as determined by the Secretary”)

    How do these things stimulate the economy? They seem very specialized.

  30. Money for stds and off road riding, and nothing for family planning? These items do not belong in a stimulus bill. It is all pork.

    34,000,000 for the Department of Commerce renovation and modernization??

    PORK

  31. birdgal Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
    …emergency relief to eligible producers of livestock, honey bees, and farm-raised fish to aid in the reduction of losses due to disease, adverse weather, or other conditions, such as blizzards and wildfires, as determined by the Secretary”)
    —————————————–
    I don’t know about some of the other critters for consumption but honey bees are dying of a so-far incurable virus(?) infection at an alarming rate — think of agriculture without honey bees — that’s serious!

  32. Obama is no Augustus and even Visigoth gives too much credit – more like Cleopatra’s asp.
    ——————————
    Admin. I fell off my chair laughing. In the process I spilled coffee on the remote keyboard and now it is now disabled, as in kaput. I have had to pull the laptop out of the docking station to send this message. I will be offline for awhile getting this fixed. But I did want to acknowledge your great response. Your knowledge of history and literature in addition to political events is very impressive. The Roman precedent is to borrow a phrase from Barbara Tuchman (The Guns of August) “a distant mirror”.

  33. The Govenor of NM said we were getting road projects and money for the schools. I guess we keep the teahers and road workers employed. I am not sure what it does for the rest of the unemployed.

    One thing for sure, if they do another round of base closres, I don’t think they will touch any of them with this economy.

  34. McCaskill’s come out of the woodwork….

    WASHINGTON (CNN) — One day after President Barack Obama ripped Wall Street executives for their “shameful” decision to hand out $18 billion in bonuses in 2008, Congress may finally have had enough.

    An angry U.S. senator introduced legislation Friday to cap compensation for employees of any company that accepts federal bailout money. Under the terms of a bill introduced by Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Missouri, no employee would be allowed to make more than the president of the United States.

    Obama’s current annual salary is $400,000.

    edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/30/executive.pay/index.html

    Heres a hint sweety, just don’t do bailouts and this is a pr stunt because, you and I both know, they’ll invent some other way of getting the cash.

  35. Hillary knew how important universal healthcare is for Americans. She had viable solutions in place to achieve it.

    NMF,

    You are absolutely right about dental care in Canada. We complain about what isn’t covered, but it is so much better than what you have in the U.S. that we should be ashamed of ourselves for doing so.

  36. Actually lets get someone to introduce a bill to reduce Senators and the Presidents pay during this recession and see how far that gets.

  37. $34 million to remodel the Department of Commerce HQ?

    ——————

    Why? Did a little wallpaper peel off or something?

    ——————————-
    $150 million for honey bee insurance?

    ——————————-

    Unbelievable!

  38. lil ole grape, the discussion initiated by wbboei was more about the relevance of the Punic Wars period, the fall of Carthage, raw materials and the end of the republic. Our reference to the Gracchi was merely a tip of the hat to the brothers. You do not sound like a fan of the duo. We’ll go completely off topic and defend the two.

    The Gracchi (Gaius and Tiberius – great names aren’t they?) are a very early example of an attempt to create public opinion as a force against the establishment. The practical lesson however is, if you attempt to challenge the establishment it is a good idea to have the military behind you. The Gracchi tried to bring about real “change” but without the backing of the military the challenge to the establishment failed.

    With that we will get back to the present.

  39. Jan, honey bees are invaluable for cross pollination purposes. Without honey bees, many crops would fail, thus impacting the food supply. Many honey bees are dying off, and people don’t know why. It is very serious. Does it belong in a stimulus package, or more appropriately in an appropriation’s bill?

    BTW, McCaskill’s bill has a fatal flaw. Tying compensation to the salary of the POTUS? She should of left that out.

    Wall Street has been bailed out, but there is nothing to help the middle class. Does anyone think that the stimulus bill does anything to help the middle class?

  40. wbboei, admin, the Visigoth parallel is a stretch because they came from outside the cultures they conquered, but I think I do see the point of the reference to Gaius and Tiberius Gracchus, who used the populist platform to obtain power. Perhaps the power to rule was all they really wanted, however, and, anyway, their whole platform went to shit in the ensuing struggle to rule by overcoming the traditional positions of the time, including the Senate. Whether whatever idealisn they had in wanting to help the common people got lost in the struggle or whether they never really cared about the people at all is maybe still a question, but there’s plenty of evidence that Obama never cared about the people at all. Umm, is that the point or have I missed it?
    —————————————————-
    Grape: the visigoth example is arguably relevant because it is often the case that warring factions within a society refuse to trust leaders who emerge from their opponents ranks, therefore they turn to the outside.

    In Spain during the 1930s 7000 Catholic Priests and subodinates were killed by the popular front, and the elites in that country needed a strongman to suppress the rebellion and they did not trust eachother. Ergo, they chose an outsider named Franco who was not a member of either faction. He marched in with his Moroccan Cavalry and put the left wing mob supporter by Stalin to flight and thus began the Spanish civil war.

    You may be right that I am stretching the analogy here too, but Obama can easily be viewed as an outsider as well. He was never part of the traditional civil rights establishment, engaged in community organizig only to advance his career, and has not been an activist legislator. But he was acceptable go people like Ted Kennedy who is a pure demogogue who fuses a political alliance betweeen the elites and the underclass–and the business republicans. In my lexicon a populist is good whereas a demogogue is pure unadulterated evil.

    To your other point, it is clear to me that Obama will not help the middle class. On the campaign trail he shied away from them and in the general election he relied on Hillary and Bill to communicate his message. His policies are apt to deplete the treasury and cause hyperinflation down the road. Rather than sound investment they appear to reflect a 2010 political agenda uber alles. If he waanted go help the middle class he would give massive relief to small business.

    I did not mention this above but the real problem my friend sees is what will happen when he realizes the problem is not fixable and he has misspent the money. Given his hyperinflated ego, will he loot the economy on behalf of his friends, or can he be talked out of it by stressing that what he does will either open doors or shut them to black Americans in the future.

    Finally, my friend talked about the demographic problem we face in this country with the reiremeng of baby boomers, etc. The older people are predominantly Anglo and the youth is increasingly Hispanic. Mexico is on the verge of bankruptcy and a massive tide of illegal immigration is therefore possible. The question he left me with is whether a charasmatic Hispanic leader will arise in the nexg twenty years, and make the case that Latinos are getting screwed paying compensation to blacks for slavery and retirement income go aging whites. He saw this before and when Fidel was asked whether his revolution was red he scoffed at the idea and assured Cubans it was as green as the palm trees.

    Viewed from that perspective, big media is what Lenin once described as “useful idiots”. Ted Kennedy would undoutedly agree.

  41. We all know this bill is not that tart McCaskill’s, its Obama, she’s his go to in the senate after she rolled out the matress and lay flat during the primaries.

  42. birdgal Says:

    January 30th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
    ——————-

    LOL…not disputing it’s importance, just amazed that Obama thinks he has to add everything but the kitchen sink less than one month into his reign of terror.

    A simpler plan that includes health care, tax relief for middle class, steps to halt foreclosure of homes, a little more job creation, etc…

  43. JanH Says:

    January 30th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    A simpler plan that includes health care, tax relief for middle class, steps to halt foreclosure of homes, a little more job creation, etc…
    ————————————————————————-

    Why isn’t there more of these items? Many of the items mentioned before, belong in appropriation bills, not a stimulus package. 7% for infrastructure and 30 % for tax cuts? This bill is a boondogle.

  44. Michael Steele 79, Dawson 69 and Anuzis 20, god they really are dragging this shit out. Pick a chairman already.

  45. According to to Maddow – Defazio Interview

    49% – Health Education – States
    33% – Tax Cuts
    18% – Infrastructure, although Rep. DeFazio states 7%

    We’ve had tax cuts for the past several years. How have they helped the middle class?

  46. “We’ve had tax cuts for the past several years. How have they helped the middle class?”
    **********
    I don’t understand that either. The tax cuts are allegedly directed at the “middle class” but how is $500-$1000 going to create or retain jobs? Giving small business a $3,000 tax credit/new hire doesn’t make any sense either.

  47. I did my political duty today and called the local offices of both my senators, one R and one D, one in for 28 years and one for 36, I think those are accurate, but at least close enough for rock ‘n roll.

    Anyway, I gave them my 2 cents worth, which breaks down to… splitting the package into at least 2 pieces…one to stimulate the economy as it currently stands, including recovering the exorbitant bonuses – doing that part quickly and cleanly and with an abundance of oversight – and second,

    taking their time to carefully map out the recovery potion of the package…which will probably include medical, energy, agricultural, educational, research and infrastructure, etc., programs.

    I did say to both staff members that time should be taken so that foolish programs do not end up in the stimulus portion nor pure pork in the recovery portion. Otherwise we the taxpayers and electorate, are going to feel we have been taken.

  48. and forgot to put home foreclosure programs in stimulus, as well as home ownership programs, with oversight, in the recovery portion.

  49. NoQuarter piece called No Doubt About It
    By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy
    January 30, 2009 at 10:00 AM

    Obama and Bush are birds of a feather. Oh, I have written numerous times before regarding ALL of the similarities these two have HERE and HERE, with connections all along the way. And now we have this story to aid us with a visual, Hey Bam, That’s Not The Door!:

    It looks like President Obama hasn’t gotten acquainted to his White House surroundings. On the way back to the Oval Office Tuesday, the President approached a paned window, instead of the actual door — located a few feet to his right.

  50. wbboei Says:

    January 30th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
    ….(snip)
    Viewed from that perspective, big media is what Lenin once described as “useful idiots”. Ted Kennedy would undoutedly agree.
    &&&&&&&&&

    On NPR like a week ago, I heard them talking about some small country (in Asia I believe), and they referred to the radio station that put out some pronouncement on behalf of the little dictator as the “state mouthpiece”.

    That’s what Big Media here has become, although they’d like the populace not to believe that.

  51. MoonOnPluto, it’s an electric chair. Whoever gets it gets fried unless they get up and fight.

    BTW, it’s Steele.

  52. turndown

    Thanks for the Diane Rehm connection to David Denby’s interview and book. I told Wbb about it day before yesterday and havd just procrastinated getting it into a comment…so glad you did.

    BTW, I miscopied your link, I think. Can’t get it to load. Here is the one I used, and it has a transcript available as well.

    http://wamu.org/programs/dr/09/01/27.php#24369

    I also have a link to an excellent interview with Denby from Flavorwire:

    http://flavorwire.com/8573/exclusive-hunting-the-snark-with-david-denby

  53. Two things to know about this week:

    1. Ledbetter Equal Pay Act was signed into law. HRC was there.

    2. 12%. That’s the number from the stimulus plan that counts. Only 12 cents of every dollar allocated will actually stimulate the economy. Did you get your share of the 88 cents of pork??? Me neither.

  54. OlieAtty, we can call him “12cents Obama”.

    The 88% will be used as a cudgel to force electeds and business people to do his bidding. Obama will withhold appropriated funds, with great excuses, until mayors and governor and other electeds grovel.

  55. I stuck this into No Quarter comments re Bambam figuring out what a door into the WH looks like:
    ———————————

    Mr President, keep this in the frontal cortex:

    The window is ummm, 2 panes wide and the door, ummmm, let’s see. Oh yes the door is three panes wide so Gibbs can get into the office.

  56. Emjay Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
    I did my political duty today and called the local offices of both my senators, one R and one D, one in for 28 years and one for 36, I think those are accurate, but at least close enough for rock ‘n roll.

    Anyway, I gave them my 2 cents worth, which breaks down to… splitting the package into at least 2 pieces…one to stimulate the economy as it currently stands, including recovering the exorbitant bonuses – doing that part quickly and cleanly and with an abundance of oversight – and second,

    taking their time to carefully map out the recovery potion of the package…which will probably include medical, energy, agricultural, educational, research and infrastructure, etc., programs.

    I did say to both staff members that time should be taken so that foolish programs do not end up in the stimulus portion nor pure pork in the recovery portion. Otherwise we the taxpayers and electorate, are going to feel we have been taken.

    ====================

    I’m skimming from the latest backwards today so this may hve already been posted.


    WP: Democrats Among Stimulus Skeptics
    Alice M. Rivlin, who was President Bill Clinton’s budget director, suggested splitting the plan, implementing its immediate stimulus components now and taking more time to plan the longer-term transformative spending to make sure it is done right.

    “Such a long-term investment program should not be put together hastily and lumped in with the anti-recession package. The elements of the investment program must be carefully planned and will not create many jobs right away,” said Rivlin, a fellow at the Brookings Institution. The risk, she said, is that “money will be wasted because the investment elements were not carefully crafted.”

    h……w
    washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/27/AR2009012703655.html
    Comment box is in the middle of the page, below the photo, My name was already in it.

  57. OkieAtty Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
    Two things to know about this week:
    1. Ledbetter Equal Pay Act was signed into law. HRC was there.
    ***************
    Obama wouldn’t put pressure on the Blue Dogs and “the Paycheck Fairness Act” was cut out in the Senate version. IMO, women under the bus again..thanks to Obama and his faux bi-partisanship.

  58. rgb44hrc Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
    Thanks admin. Yes, the Bush morphing into Ofraud is excellent! Where did you find them?

    I vote to keep them up. Yay satire.

    For those who complain that it may cause damage to your computers or unpleastant bodily reactions, think of it as a vaccination to help build up your resistance.

    ==================

    Well, basically it means I’ll go back to reading h44 under Opera where it’s easy to keep images turned off. Which will make it a little harder to click on urls and I’ll hardly ever see videos either. Does anyone know an easy way to turn off images in Chrome?

  59. birdgal Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
    lil o grape: I agree about the honey bee situation.

    ====================

    Me too. And the salmon. Some things are really important and permanent damage will be done if they are delayed. Same with the family planning.

    Better to send them thorugh asap, even if mis-labeled as ‘stimulus’ rather than as ‘preventing future trouble.’

  60. NewMexicoFan Says:

    3. By the way, Admin, I notice that you said WE had much discussion about the Bush to O photos. So either their is a committee handling this site or you have multiple personalities. (I am sorry I just had to add that.)

    ========================

    How could so much wonderful work be done by just one person?

  61. turndownobama 5:00pm.

    You are probably right, the research involved in these articles is mind boggling. Plus they know about all the subject that are brought up like experts.

  62. Thank God, its Steele, lets see them flip the racist Repubs now mantra.

    The Republicans needed a senior Black politician to counter Obama effectively, it was severely lacking.Hopefully we will see some sort of seachange here, Palin, Steele, they need to take the Republican party back and make it inclusive, this is a very good step.

  63. About Steele,
    While I personally admire and respect him and consider him razor-sharp intellectually, and while I am NOT a repub, I am a bit disturbed by the disproportionate ethnic make-up of the major political organizations now.

    It’s almost too gimmicky, the RNC electing a black RNC chief to counter the dems AA prez. I dunno . . . identity politics is way too powerful, now.
    And please don’t get the wrong idea . . . if Michael Steele had run against BHO I would have voted for him in a heartbeat. Thoughts?

    representation now of I

  64. Obama off the mark on U.S.-Muslim comments

    By Charles Krauthammer

    Washington Post Writers Group

    Friday, January 30, 2009

    Washington —- Every new president flatters himself that he, kinder and gentler, is beginning the world anew. Yet, when Barack Obama in his inaugural address reached out to Muslims with “to the Muslim world, we seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect,” his formulation was needlessly defensive and apologetic.

    Is it “new” to acknowledge Muslim interests and show respect to the Muslim world? Obama doesn’t just think so, he said so again to millions in his al-Arabiya interview, insisting on the need to “restore” the “same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago.”

    Astonishing. In these most recent 20 years —- the alleged winter of our disrespect of the Islamic world —- America did not just respect Muslims, it bled for them. It engaged in five military campaigns, every one of which involved —- and resulted in —- the liberation of a Muslim people: Bosnia, Kosovo, Kuwait, Afghanistan and Iraq.

    The two Balkan interventions —- as well as the failed 1992-93 Somali intervention to feed starving African Muslims (43 Americans were killed) —- were humanitarian exercises of the highest order, there being no significant U.S. strategic interest at stake. In these 20 years, this nation has done more for suffering and oppressed Muslims than any nation, Muslim or non-Muslim, anywhere on earth. Why are we apologizing?

    And what of that happy U.S.-Muslim relationship that Obama imagines existed “as recently as 20 or 30 years ago” that he has now come to restore? Thirty years ago, 1979, saw the greatest U.S.-Muslim rupture in our 233-year history: Iran’s radical Islamic revolution, the seizure of the U.S. embassy, the 14 months of America held hostage.

    Which came just a few years after the Arab oil embargo that sent the United States into a long and punishing recession. Which, in turn, was preceded by the kidnapping and cold-blooded execution by Arab terrorists of the U.S. ambassador in Sudan and his charge d’affaires.

    This is to say nothing of the Marine barracks massacre of 1983, and the innumerable attacks on U.S. embassies and installations around the world during what Obama now characterizes as the halcyon days of U.S.-Islamic relations.

    Look. If Barack Obama wants to say, as he said to al-Arabiya, I have Muslim roots, Muslim family members, have lived in a Muslim country —- implying a special affinity that uniquely positions him to establish good relations —- that’s fine. But it is both false and deeply injurious to this country to draw a historical line dividing America under Obama from a benighted past when Islam was supposedly disrespected and demonized.

    As in Obama’s grand admonition: “We cannot paint with a broad brush a faith as a consequence of the violence that is done in that faith’s name.” Have “we” been doing that, smearing Islam because of a small minority? George Bush went to the Islamic Center in Washington six days after 9/11, when the fires of ground zero were still smoldering, to declare “Islam is peace,” to extend fellowship and friendship to Muslims, to insist that Americans treat them with respect and generosity of spirit.

    And America listened. In these seven years since 9/11 —- seven years during which thousands of Muslims rioted all over the world (resulting in the death of more than 100) to avenge a bunch of cartoons —- there’s not been a single anti-Muslim riot in the United States to avenge the greatest massacre in U.S. history. On the contrary. In its aftermath, we elected our first Muslim member of Congress and our first president of Muslim parentage.

    “My job,” says Obama, “is to communicate to the American people that the Muslim world is filled with extraordinary people who simply want to live their lives and see their children live better lives.” That’s his job? Do the American people think otherwise? Does he think he is bravely breaking new ground? Bush, Condoleezza Rice and countless other leaders offered myriad expressions of that same universalist sentiment.

    Every president has the right to portray himself as ushering in a new era of this or that. Obama wants to pursue new ties with Muslim nations, drawing on his own identity and associations. Good. But when his self-inflation as redeemer of U.S.-Muslim relations leads him to suggest that pre-Obama America was disrespectful or insensitive or uncaring of Muslims, he is engaging not just in fiction but in gratuitous disparagement of the country he is now privileged to lead.

    ajc.com/services/content/printedition/2009/01/30/krauthammered0130.html

  65. It’s almost too gimmicky, the RNC electing a black RNC chief to counter the dems AA prez. I dunno . . . identity politics is way too powerful, now.

    …………….can you imagine the press killing they would have done if they had elected Dawson tonight over Steele, Dawson who was in an all white exclusive country club for 12 years, it would have been a lynching.

    I like whats happening in the Republican party, putting a woman up for VP, indian gov, black repub chairman, its all good, it will be for the good.

    Tokenism is choosing an unqualified village idiot dumbass who is AA over the best woman candidate in history is tokenism.

  66. JanH

    You and I know this attitude was evident through out the campaign. When he went to German and appologized for America, when thousands of lives were lost and even buried in Europe, was absolutely out of line. Yes, did anyone make a big issue of it other than on Big Pink? The Character flaws now being examined, are not new. Too bad they were not properly publicized and analyzed during the campaign. Instead it was covered up and people were told it was a big issue over noting. Did you think he would change?

  67. By the way you think its bad in America, the strikes, riots and protests over the economic crisis and social instability is nothing like it is over here in Europe.

    So far this month, Strikes in France, riots in Iceland, latvia, lithuania, Spain, Greece, Bulgaria, the uk workforce is up in riots because uk companies are shipping in low paid italians to do work in england and putting british workers out of jobs, the EU is about to explode.

    There wont be an EU and euro soon if this keeps up.

  68. NewMexicoFan Says:

    January 30th, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    ———————

    Exactly. I think it’s his messiah complex striking again.

    —————————————-

    “It’s almost too gimmicky”

    LOL…and here I thought it was almost to gimmicky when they chose obama. I mean it’s not as if he had any qualifications for the job…

  69. # moononpluto Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Tokenism is choosing an unqualified village idiot dumbass who is AA over the best woman candidate in history is tokenism.

    Actually she was the best candidate who just happened to be a woman. You could have left out her gender altogether. 😀

  70. If something happens to the Euro, it will be interesting. However, I am not sure it would be good. I wish we had an Einstein expert in Economics right now, as the precarious balance of the world’s economies appears in peril.

    However, it is obvious that the people in these countries are upset. I guess we are not upset in the US.

  71. OMG turndown —-

    I’m feeling so freaking smart, to even share a dozen words in common with Ms Rivlin.

    I love listening to her… and she can make sense out of esoteric stuff too… so different from unwinding Greenspan’s verbage.

    David Brooks right now on NPR: “Obama is long on style and short on substance – great in a campaign and really bad when writing stimulus legislation…” he also said “Wall Street doesn’t get that they work for us now.”

  72. NMF, whats happening with the EURO is you have a set of countries in the EU, the PIIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain) who are incredible trouble, and they are going down fast, the euro to them is worthless and as their economies fail, the currence cannot be devalued like they had before when they had their own currency, hence, they have no control over inflation or deflation, its one big mess right now and when the German people find out they are footing the bill for keeping it all afloat, there will be hell to pay.

    The single currency looks great for a while until the shit hit the fan and these coutries realised they cannot do a thing to help themselves out of the shit because of central control.

    It really is screwed in Europe.

  73. OK, ADMIN…I have always been an optimist/idealist…as difficult as it is these days…I’ll hold out hope that there are some independent, common sense dems and repubs left to pull us out of the ‘cave’ as we try to push ourselves out towards that glimmer of light…it is just that those dark forces are under every rock these days and as we have ‘seen’ from the primaries…cannot be trusted…the word ‘colusion’ comes to mind…money is going someplace, just not to the people who need it…perhaps in the dark to ‘friends of friends’…interesting story in the Village Voice of how all this money is flowing in secret to god knows where…

    kind of feels like the metaphorical ‘myth of sisyphus’…poor american people are the shlubs doing the best the can…and their leaders keep making things worse…and keeping them in the dark of that ‘cave’ you speak of…and digging a deeper hole of debt and theft…

    Hillary is the brightest light on the horizon right now…

  74. Turndown

    My brillient but poorly worded thoughts came to me at 3 ithis morning when I couldn’t get back to sleep. It would freak me out to know see was working on her statement at the same time,

    Doo do do do, doo do do do..

  75. Emjay Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    OMG turndown —-

    I’m feeling so freaking smart, to even share a dozen words in common with Ms Rivlin.

    =================

    Your post was so similar that I nearly didn’t post mine. I thought the Rivlin story must have been posted already and you were quoting/paraphrasing from it.

    Anyway it’s obviously the right approach.

  76. SHV Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    OkieAtty Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
    Two things to know about this week:
    1. Ledbetter Equal Pay Act was signed into law. HRC was there.
    ***************
    Obama wouldn’t put pressure on the Blue Dogs and “the Paycheck Fairness Act” was cut out in the Senate version. IMO, women under the bus again..thanks to Obama and his faux bi-partisanship.

    ====================

    Hm? What do you mean?

  77. Its spreading like wildfire in the UK, entire unions are coming out in sympathy and the Govt is pouring fuel on the fire, Brown could not give a fuck. This is how the riots in the early 80’s started in the UK.

    Watch this space.

  78. Bumps in the Road: Obama’s HHS Secretary Nominee Faces Tax Questions Over Car and Driver

    January 30, 2009 6:29 PM

    ABC News has learned that the nomination of former Senator Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., to be President Obama’s Secretary of Health and Human Services has hit a traffic snarl on its way through the Senate Finance Committee.

    The controversy deals with a car and driver lent to Daschle by a wealthy Democratic friend, a chauffeur service the former senator used for years without declaring it on his taxes.

    It remains an open question as to whether this is a “speed bump,” as a Democratic Senate ally of Daschle put it, or something more damaging.

    After being defeated in his 2004 re-election campaign to the Senate, Daschle in 2005 became a consultant and chairman of the Executive Advisory Board at InterMedia Advisors.

    Based in New York City, InterMedia Advisors is a private equity firm founded in part by longtime Daschle friend and Democratic fundraiserLeo Hindery, the former president of the YES network (the Yankees’ and Devils’ broadcast network).

    That same year he began his professional relationship with InterMedia 2005, Daschle began using the services of Hindery’s car and driver.

    The Cadillac and driver were never part of Daschle’s official compensation package at InterMedia but Mr. Daschle — who as Senate majority leader enjoyed the use of a car and driver at taxpayer expense — didn’t declare their services on his income taxes, as tax laws require.

    During the vetting process to become HHS secretary, Daschle corrected the tax violation, voluntarily paying $101,943 in back taxes plus interest, working with his accountant to amend his tax returns for 2005 through 2007.

    (Mr. Daschle reimbursed the IRS $31,462 in taxes and interest for tax year 2005; $35,546 for 2006; and $34,935, a Daschle spokesperson said, adding that Daschle had asked his accountant to look into the tax implications of the car and driver five months before Mr. Obama won the presidency.)

    The chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., has called his colleagues for a private meeting at 5 p.m. ET Monday to discuss these complications surrounding Daschle’s nomination.

    The Daschle spokesperson told ABC News that the senator, facing questions from the committee, has said “he deeply regretted his mistake. When he realized it was a mistake he corrected it rapidly.”

    This is the second Cabinet nominee of President Obama’s to face questions of tax malfeasance. Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner paid more than $34,000 in taxes during his vetting process for income earned at the International Monetary Fund. Earlier, Commerce Secretary nominee Bill Richardson withdrew his name from consideration after reports of a federal investigation involving whether his office engaged in pay to play, a charge Richardson denied.

    The spokesperson said, by way of explaining how it was this happened: “In 2005, Sen. Daschle’s close friend Leo Hindery, who lives in New York, offered him the use of a car and driver in Washington when he was not using it. That same year, they began a formal business relationship where he was an independent consultant and chairman of the external advisory board to InterMedia Advisors. The car was not provided as part of his compensation. So it never occurred to him that it should be considered income. The senator simply and probably naively considered its use a generous offer by a longtime friend.”

    Neither the White House nor businessman Leo Hindery had any comment. Daschle has personally refrained from commenting.

    Daschle came before the Senate Health Education Labor and Pensions Committee for a hearing on Jan. 8, 2009, and it was a veritable love-in, with the respected former colleague praised to the high heavens.

    But staffers at the Senate Finance Committee are generally a little more exacting — witness the stormy weather faced by Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, for his back-tax snafus — and they have been delving into the issue and exploring all the ramifications before holding a committee vote on his nomination.

    The Daschle spokesperson insisted that the senator is the one who should get credit for discovering, fixing and disclosing the tax issue.

    “In June 2008, Sen. Daschle mentioned the use of the car to his personal accountant and asked him if there were any potential tax consequences,” the spokesperson said. “His accountant said that there could be tax consequences and said he was going to fix them as part of Daschle’s 2008 filing. So when he got down to vetting, Sen. Daschle decided to amend his returns for 2005, 2006 and 2007, and he paid all the taxes. At the urging of Daschle, the accountant was very conservative in his estimates.”

    Daschle has long been one of President Obama’s closest advisers, so it was no surprise when the mild-mannered pol was named Obama’s nominee to be HHS Secretary shortly after Obama won election; his official nomination came Dec. 11, 2008.

    Should Daschle have difficulty being confirmed — a prospect that seems unlikely given the benefit of the doubt senators frequently extend to one another, not to mention the Senate’s Democratic majority — he doesn’t have to worry about finding another job in the administration, since President Obama has also appointed him to serve as director of the new White House Office on Health Reform.

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/01/bumps-in-the-ro.html

  79. Jesus, they are worried about a car and driver tax, when Geithner heading the treasury didnt pay them at all.

    Hilarious if it wasnt farcical.

  80. Obama wouldn’t put pressure on the Blue Dogs and “the Paycheck Fairness Act” was cut out in the Senate version. IMO, women under the bus again..thanks to Obama and his faux bi-partisanship.
    ====================
    Hm? What do you mean?
    ************
    The bill could probably have passed in the Senate with some pressure on the Blue Dogs and then stick it the Republicans and make them filibuster it. Obama didn’t want a fight with his Republican BFFs.
    Equal pay for women, IMO was more important than making it easier to sue. Bring a law suit is expensive, stressful, and the outcome is always uncertain. Plus suing an employer isn’t going to help the person in the job market.

  81. Actually she was the best candidate who just happened to be a woman. You could have left out her gender altogether.

  82. moonpluto,

    Yeah, you’re 1ooo% right about Dawson. But i just hate what BHO’s race-baiting tactics have done to the country.

    It’s happening in Europe, too. I’ve read several articles about the UK strikes against the italian/Portugese workers and those interviewed are quick to clarify that their objection to foreign workers isn’t ‘racist.’

    BTW, MSM has done next to ZERO coverage of the European labor strikes. Figures. From clips I’ve seen on-line The Paris protests looked especially nasty.

  83. I’ve expected it to go like this for a while, lets face it

    Here you have the EU made of countries who in all all honesty, most of them hate each others guts, they hated each other when the economies were good, just wait until the full force hits, it will make WW2 look like a kindergarten party. I’m serious.

    The Euro is a dog of a currency and is about to come crashing down and there are major shits running Europe, Sarkozy is increasingly losing the plot, he just fired the governor of a region and its police chief yesterday because he heard boos and jeers when he visited last week, i mean WTF????

    The EU is going to fracture and fracture in a big way. Theres a reason why after a massive depression and recession within 10 years theres a war.

  84. moon,

    So was the adoption of the Euro a total failure? Could it have worked given different parameters or was it doomed from the very beginning?

  85. Re taxes overdue.

    Both nominees paid as soon as their accountants looked into it. Over pretty much the same period, here is how much they were overdue:

    Daschle $101,943
    Geithner 34,000 (or maybe 32,000)

    Daschle’s case was simple: whether use of a car and chauffer should be reported as income. (For such a large value ‘gift’, it should have been checked for possible ‘gift tax’ due even if it were not counted as income.) Geithner’s tax overdue was about 1/3 of that amount, in a complicated situation where two accountants had told him he owed nothing.

    Geithner’s case involved only himself and the IRS. DAschle’s ‘gift’ from an associate raises the question of bribery.

    (Mr. Daschle reimbursed the IRS $31,462 in taxes and interest for tax year 2005; $35,546 for 2006; and $34,935

  86. I thought the conversion to the Euro was going well. We have German friends who loved to come to the States as the Euro exchange rate was so great. This is not good news if Europe and the US are in trouble. You would want an experience pilot in charge so to speak, but of course we did not get that.

  87. Curiosity Over Clinton’s Itinerary:

    By MARK LANDLER
    Published: January 30, 2009

    WASHINGTON — Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton is clearly itching to hit the road. But to where?

    “We’ll let you know as soon as we get it organized,” she told reporters earlier this week. “I’m looking forward to it.”

    A secretary of state’s first foreign trip is always an event — steeped in symbolism and parsed for clues about how the new boss will conduct diplomacy. Mrs. Clinton’s celebrity lends the maiden voyage added glitter, but also the burden of great expectations. The choice of the itinerary has been further complicated by the fact that the White House appointed two special emissaries who wasted no time booking their own foreign travel.

    George J. Mitchell, the special envoy for the Middle East, is halfway through a weeklong tour of the region, visiting Cairo; Jerusalem; the West Bank; Amman, Jordan; and tacking on a stop in Paris. Richard C. Holbrooke, the special representative for Pakistan and Afghanistan, is headed to those countries next week, stopping en route at a security conference in Munich.

    Other senior officials are footloose, too. Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Gen. James L. Jones, the president’s national security adviser, are also heading to the Munich conference. President Obama is traveling to Canada next month for his first foreign trip as president. And in April, he will go to London for a summit meeting on the financial crisis and a NATO meeting jointly hosted by France and Germany.

    With so many old-world capitals and gritty hot spots spoken for, what’s left for a restless secretary of state?

    Asia, according to the latest State Department scuttlebutt.

    While no final decision has been made — and travel schedules are fickle — Mrs. Clinton is leaning toward a trip that would include Japan and China, according to officials. That would allow her to check in with a staunch ally and take stock of an economic rival. A stop in South Korea would put Mrs. Clinton close to one of her looming challenges: North Korea’s nuclear program.

    Asia is not an obvious choice: her two most recent predecessors, Condoleezza Rice and Colin L. Powell, started off in Europe and the Middle East. Ms. Rice felt obliged to go to Paris and Berlin, one former adviser said, to mend fences after the invasion of Iraq.

    The Obama administration, officials said, is determined to spread its senior people around. With so many big names trooping off to Europe, they said, Mrs. Clinton can deliver a greater diplomatic punch by going to Asia. Besides, said one old hand, if no one of her stature shows up in Tokyo by April or so, the Japanese will wonder what is wrong with the relationship.

    The political calendar plays a role, too: Israel is holding elections on Feb. 10, and analysts said it would not make sense for Mrs. Clinton to travel there before a new government was in place.

    Secretaries of state have traveled abroad since 1866, when William Henry Seward sailed to the Virgin Islands. But their wanderlust has varied: Ms. Rice racked up more than a million miles on 86 trips. General Powell, who was criticized for being a homebody, still managed 68 trips.

    Mrs. Clinton is expected to fall somewhere in between. She told a recent meeting of senior State Department staff members that she wanted to go on the road only when her presence could make a difference, according to people in the session. That would suggest fewer trips than Ms. Rice, who practically commuted to the Middle East and, critics said, had little to show for it.

    But maybe not that many fewer: Mrs. Clinton, her aides like to note, visited all 62 counties in New York State during her first Senate campaign. And now she will have a bigger plane.

    nytimes.com/2009/01/31/us/politics/31clinton.html?hp

  88. Turndown

    I just realized the article you quoted about Alice Rivlin was from WaPo.

    So I can guar- un- tee I didn’t see it because I give WaPo no clicks and no eyeballs. I am trying to contribute to the severity of their bankruptcy.

    I will read stuff from them if someone smart, like a Pinker, posts it on these pages or if it is on another site acceptable to me.

  89. SHV Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    Obama wouldn’t put pressure on the Blue Dogs and “the Paycheck Fairness Act” was cut out in the Senate version. IMO, women under the bus again..thanks to Obama and his faux bi-partisanship.
    ====================
    Hm? What do you mean?
    ************
    The bill could probably have passed in the Senate with some pressure on the Blue Dogs and then stick it the Republicans and make them filibuster it. Obama didn’t want a fight with his Republican BFFs.
    Equal pay for women, IMO was more important than making it easier to sue. Bring a law suit is expensive, stressful, and the outcome is always uncertain. Plus suing an employer isn’t going to help the person in the job market.

    ==========================

    They’ve been saying for months that equal pay for women was ALREADY required under previous laws, and the Ledbetter thing was to remove (or extend) the filing deadline for suing to enforce the equal pay right.

    Without right to sue (outside the current 180 period), what is going to enforce that right? Doesn’t this leave women like Ledbetter where they were before?

  90. Emjay Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    Turndown

    I just realized the article you quoted about Alice Rivlin was from WaPo.

    So I can guar- un- tee I didn’t see it because I give WaPo no clicks and no eyeballs. I am trying to contribute to the severity of their bankruptcy.

    I will read stuff from them if someone smart, like a Pinker, posts it on these pages or if it is on another site acceptable to me.

    ===========================

    I got the WP quote from Heidi Li’s. To be strict, you might also click on Google’s ‘cached’ copy; I don’t think that gives clicks to the WaPo or whatever it is.

  91. Emjay,

    Note the word ‘Cached’ by each item.

    Alice M. Rivlin News – The New York Times
    Pres Clinton nominates Roger W Ferguson Jr Federal Reserve vice chairman, first black named to post; Ferguson would succeed Alice Rivlin, who resigned; …
    topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/r/alice_m_rivlin/index. html – 43k – Cached – Similar pages

    Economist’s View: Alice Rivlin: The Fed’s Money Well Spent
    I get tired of getting yelled at in comments for saying that the Fed should help to rescue financial markets, so I’m going to let Alice Rivlin say it this …
    economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2008/04/alice-rivlin-th.html – 129k – Cached – Similar pages

    Alice Rivlin: Economists are too optimistic. … Alice Rivlin has been an economist in very high places. She was Federal Reserve Board vice chairwoman, …
    http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2009/01/19/daily68.html – 71k – Cached – Similar pages

    This is Google’s cache of http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2008/04/alice-rivlin-th.html. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Jan 26, 2009 05:02:05 GMT. The current page could have changed in the meantime. Learn more

  92. Emjay,

    Note the word ‘Cached’ by each item.

    Alice M. Rivlin News – The New York Times
    Pres Clinton nominates Roger W Ferguson Jr Federal Reserve vice chairman, first black named to post; Ferguson would succeed Alice Rivlin, who resigned; …
    topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/r/alice_m_rivlin/index. html – 43k – Cached – Similar pages

    Economist’s View: Alice Rivlin: The Fed’s Money Well Spent
    I get tired of getting yelled at in comments for saying that the Fed should help to rescue financial markets, so I’m going to let Alice Rivlin say it this …
    economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2008/04/alice-rivlin-th.html – 129k – Cached – Similar pages

    Alice Rivlin: Economists are too optimistic. … Alice Rivlin has been an economist in very high places. She was Federal Reserve Board vice chairwoman, …
    http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2009/01/19/daily68.html – 71k – Cached – Similar pages

    This is Google’s cache of economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2008/04/alice-rivlin-th.html. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Jan 26, 2009 05:02:05 GMT. The current page could have changed in the meantime. Learn more

  93. Emjay,

    I can’t get through moderation with examples, but Google for anything and then look for the word ‘Cached’ after each item. That’s Google’s copy that they made last time they checked that page.

  94. By the way you think its bad in America, the strikes, riots and protests over the economic crisis and social instability is nothing like it is over here in Europe.

    So far this month, Strikes in France, riots in Iceland, latvia, lithuania, Spain, Greece, Bulgaria, the uk workforce is up in riots because uk companies are shipping in low paid italians to do work in england and putting british workers out of jobs, the EU is about to explode.

    There wont be an EU and euro soon if this keeps up.
    ————————————
    Lets do a new Lend Lease program and ship them Obama. Let him preach unity to them, and send big media over there with him to tell everyone how wonderful he is and admire his abs. The riots would stop, everyone would agree the Euro is good, and who needs jobs because the Messiah has spoken. Then, he could go to the Brandenberg Gate and tell the Huns that it is better to give than receive–ya think. Only make sure it is a one way ticket.

  95. Seriously however it is apparent from the foregoing that the globalists have overreached. People like Soros hate the whole concept of sovereignty, and would like to reduce the world to a single market. Borders are a source of friction and therefore must be eliminated. It would appear that indigneous population here there and everywhere do not want their standard of living reduced to the lowest common denominator in the world and value the very things that globalists despise–like borders, tariffs and nationalism as a source of identity as opposed to this citizen of the world horseshit which is the drivel of jet settering neo libs like . . . Princess Caroline and people who dont know any better.

  96. That is not to say that we do not have obligations to the world. Obviously we do. Hillarys appoitment of an undersecretary for climate change is a perfect example of that. Relief in Darfur, preventing the spread of disease, the proliferation of nuclear weapons are likewise important. But the principle structures remain the family, and the nation state and anyone who tries to reduce either of those to irrelevance through what Bush the elder once described as the new world order is not in sync with reality and if it takes strikes and economic paralysis across Europe to get the point across then so be it. If it gets too rough we can still loan them the Messiah long as they agree to keep him. He is after all one of theirs.

  97. I am more animated on the subject of globalists than usual tonight because of two developments. The head of the German Company I once worked for who dubbed himself the Bishmark of the world postal system and was a card carrying member of the German elite was just sentenced to 2 years probation and fined 1.3 million dollars by a German Court for tax evasion. But he was guilty of a far greater crime for which he was never prosecuted. He and his minions bought a successful American company and ran it into the ground through incompetence thereby costing over 10,000 people their jobs. We tried to tell them but they would not listen. It makes a nice epitaph.

  98. I have been trying to understand what this Obama mania is all about. My first reaction is to dismiss it as mindless drivel but there is more to it than that.

    It is a quasi religious experience where people decide they will stop worrying things in their life which they cannot control and put their faith in the deity. Whatever happens it is HIS will and they are saved. It is faith and fatalism.

    Could that be part of what this is about? If so then what happens if the deity does not deliver the miracle they believed he would? Do they say it is gods will or do they see him as a god that failed?

  99. Confloyd: you need to read the fine print. It says no bailouts for bars in Texas owned and operated by Hillary supporters. I asked them about this and all they would say is after banks, credit card companies and no billionaire left behind, they had to draw the line somewhere.

  100. It is interesting to see how the corrupt groupies, i.e. jarret, powers et al are being hidden away in the White House, rather than given high profile positions. After the way SS Rice screwed up this is hardly surprising.

  101. Notice how the obscene and obsequious NYT is trying to figure out where Hillary will make her first trip as Secretary of State. I think those assholes are now worried that a foreign newspaper will get the scoop. I hope to god she holds the NYT at arms length. There is great risk for any politician or stateswoman to give an interview to a news organization that has no regard for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Their corruption could create diplomatic incidents. There are other sources who will report the news accurately and if it is given to the first, then the NYT can misreport it all they want to the truth will be out. Diplomacy is too sensitive to let the NYT corrupt the message.

  102. Big media is too corrupt to be trusted. Politicians should avoid giving them interviews and readers should not listen to them. There are other sources who are far more trustworthy.

    As Emjay says no one should give them their eyeballs or time of day. If we are serious about maginalizing them that is the way to do it, provided it is done en masse.

  103. admin Says:

    January 30th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
    Two words about Daschle: Alan Hevesi.

    ————————————————————————

    One word: Corruption.

  104. wbboei@12:04 I think they know she is the real Prez and cant leave the Big house to the kids to take care of while she is away. LMAF!! I been wondering too where she will go, my guess she will stay stateside quiet alot!

  105. January 30th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
    Two words about Daschle: Alan Hevesi.

    ————————————————————————

    One word: Corruption
    ————————
    Daschele is right out of Andy of Mayberry. Nice smile, country boy air, not a dishonest bone in his body–compared to Randy Duke Cunningham or should I say Prisoner 154443 former Republican congressman from the great state of California and top gun in anyones book.

  106. wbboei@12:04 I think they know she is the real Prez and cant leave the Big house to the kids to take care of while she is away. LMAF!! I been wondering too where she will go, my guess she will stay stateside quiet alot!
    —————————–
    Confloyd: you are correct as usual. Truth to tell I think she loves this job. I wish she would stay clear of big media but that is her decision. Big media is so corrupt that they will always misreport, distort, conflate and that can be very dangerous in the subtle world of diplomacy. If there is a message to be delivered through the press I pray that it is done through responsible foreign journalists rather than the hacks and pretenders on this side of the pond.

  107. Oh, yeah! wbb-

    They were here today trying to stir up sh*t!:

    http //hillaryunleashed.wordpress.com/2009/01/28/hillary-achieves-success-with-ease/#comments

  108. Here is a restatement of the betrayal of first principles by the dimocrats which was written by freethinker at Hillays Village blog
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    An Atheist in the Cult of Personality
    January 21st, 2009

    I was astonished to find that at about midnight last night, a cascade of rage came over me, seemingly from out of nowhere. It wasn’t sadness, it wasn’t regret, it was fury that another corruption of our Democratic process had taken place and loss of faith, not so much in Obama, but in my fellow citizens.

    I am outraged because I always wanted to believe that although flawed, the Democrats were somehow just fallible and the victims of occasional excess. That their mistakes were of a personal nature, not calculated or part of a grander web of corruption. Those crimes were for the Republicans, those gleeful palm-rubbing , mustache twisting villains. They were the ones with the Machiavellian tricks up their sleeves, the stacked deck, the hanging chads. But the Democrats…..never. They were victims of their own innocence and good intentions.

    Any belief I may have had in that fiction was well and thoroughly destroyed this year and in a way that made me feel violated. My innocence has been taken from me by force no matter how desperately I fought to hold on to it. You see, I wanted to believe in the Democratic Party. I wanted to believe in their ideals. I wanted to believe that the only thing holding us back from doing real good in the world were the evil machinations of the Republicans and petty partisan maneuvers.

    This time, I lost not only my belief that the Party actually believed the ideals it has been peddling all these years, but that it was far more hypocritical and devious than the Republicans could ever be. For they committed crimes not just against the system and not just against the candidate of my choice but against me personally.

    For the first time in my life, politics became personal. I campaigned as citizen but I was elevated to the extraordinary because of the way Obama supporters tried to stop the most ordinary of my efforts . I suddenly realized that the most routine things that I wanted to say became much more important because of how desperately hard Obama supporters tried to shut me up. I understood how incredibly precious the truth was and how it was ultimately up to me to get it out into the world because I heard and saw the media deliberately telling lie after lie after lie.

    For the first time in my life, the Democratic Party and the media and yes, even the culture around me made it impossible for me to believe their actions were merely well-intentioned mistakes. Obama, the Democratic Party, his supporters and the media made it impossible for me to go along as I had before. I grew up fast and suddenly felt very old and wise beyond my years.

    So, last night, after the numbness of an entire year of holding on and bearing up, the dam broke and the rage came forth and I found it wasn’t simply towards Obama anymore, it was against a country that could allow so much evil to take place in plain sight. For participating in a grand and grotesque charade. For forcing me to watch burlesque and call it ballet.

    So, as I watched the last act in their made-for-TV movie today, while the American Idol with the movie star good looks took to the stage to say his lines and millions of worshipers looked on with the fervor of adolescent fans, I finally realized that my innocence was lost not just because of the Party and the media and the idol who profited from their promotion, but because of the American audience eating it up and pretending that “this is only a movie”, was real.

    At a time when so many were lifted in an near ecclesiastical rapture, I lost my faith. For if Obama is the Messiah and so many of my fellow Americans are true believers, I, the formerly most devout Democrat and sincere of all, have become an atheist in the Cult of Personality.

  109. Ya gotta hand it to the far left. They think his plan to close Gitmo is a victory for human rights and a solid repudiation of Bush policies. As usual they dont get it.

    Heres what they fail to understand:

    close gitmo= build special prison facilities for them in the US

    create civilian army as large as the army to handle a possible breakdown in civil order= a gestapo

    15-20% unemployement= a possible breakdown in civil order which would beget a paramilitary response.

    This is not an equation conducive to the maintenace of civil liberties, but you would never know it listening to the left wing nuts blather on about him.

  110. admin Says:

    January 30th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
    Two words about Daschle: Alan Hevesi.

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    Both Daschle and Hevesi have had similar memory lapses re: drivers.

  111. I was wondering how long it would be before people realized the reason for the civilian army was the expected rioting over unemployment, economy, and the thievery that is taking place on Capital Hill of our american dreams? It is apparently already happening in the EU, and France.
    I am quiet somber tonight as I sit here at work trying to cover up the fact that I am in a great deal of pain with my back, I must retain this job because there a many who would take it and that is only going to get worse. Soon they will ship people in for my job as the HB1 visa’s allow them too and I am sad to say that even the bar business has been slow since before Christmas. Things I believe are getting worse even in Texas. We are always the last to feel the pain.
    I only pray we democrats bring back unions so people like me will have something to count on. I don’t believe Obama is a democrat, not sure what he is though!
    My dad would have never had to work in as much pain as I am in tonight, the union would not of allowed, and he would not have had to worry he would be replaced, what has happened to American that no one gives a damn about the other one???

  112. wbb — freethinker’s column is what I’ve been trying to say for months now. When the Democrats stole my vote, I was crushed. A lifetime of my support went out the window.

    I have said this to other Democrats and a few have agreed but several say basically, “The Republicans are worse.” That’s the Nixon defense. When caught wiretapping, he said, “Well, Lyndon did it too.” I didn’t support Republicans for their corruption, their bigotry, their elitism, and their sexism. Now the Dems have gone one better and I’m devastated.

  113. I support the Emjay Plan. I watched a global debate from Davos, Switzerland (PBS) with every financial muckety-muck from everywhere. It is clear that we need two bills.

    One is the best combination of tax relief, credit easing, liquidity in the market, etc. It needs serious controls and bans on certain spending (like bonuses) and openness. Since absolutely nobody knows what the best combination is, this should be a best effort from every economist and politician.
    And it should start now.

    The second is one we’ve done many times before — just this one on steroids. Extending unemployment, aid on medical benefits, mortgage refinancing, family planning, etc. This might be a mainly Democratic bill but Republicans can weed out the worst of the pork.

    If you get a chance to watch the Davos debate on PBS, you’ll see what knowledgeable people of all stripes can do. I saw only two women: Laura Tyson and a woman in a dashiki from So Africa.
    They were great.

    The world is waiting for us. If we blow it by spending more on “bridges to nowhere”, the global disaster will swamp us. Statesmen? Never mind. Stateswomen, move to the front!

  114. The self inflated one should solve his detainees problem with very little cost to the our looted treasure.Bring them here and give them jobs in his whitehouse in an even exchange with his so called advisers that he calls experts in their fields (of fraud,bribery,tax evasion,pay for play,and downright stealing.So what have the detainees done to us lately?

    By ABM90 That great warden out west that runs the max security prison with his pink outfits for his inmates,sounds the right guy to deal with these thieves.

  115. New Ill. Gov. works to show he’s anti-Blagojevich

    By DEANNA BELLANDI – 5 hours ago

    SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (AP) — New Gov. Pat Quinn is wasting no time working to prove he’s nothing like his predecessor —impeached and ousted Rod Blagojevich.

    Quinn will live at the Executive Mansion, he wants to reopen the state parks Blagojevich closed and he doesn’t want his name plastered on Illinois Tollway signs when Blagojevich’s is removed.

    Amid the work of running the state, part of Quinn’s new job is painting himself as the anti-Blagojevich, which he has started doing with actions both big and small.

    “I don’t think that’ll take too much trying on my part. I don’t think in any way I have a style that’s similar to my predecessor,” Quinn said Friday, a day after Blagojevich became the first Illinois governor to be booted from office.

    Quinn, a Democrat like his predecessor, already has made a point of being accessible to the state’s four other top elected officials, who had strained relationships with Blagojevich. He met Friday in Chicago with Attorney General Lisa Madigan, Secretary of State Jesse White, Comptroller Dan Hynes and Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias.

    Madigan said Blagojevich had last met with the constitutional officers on July 1, 2003. Giannoulias said he was seeing the governor’s office for the first time since his November 2006 election.

    “I really think this is healthy for our state that we get together on a regular basis,” Quinn said afterward. “We need to get the message out that … we’re working together for the betterment of everyone.”

    While Quinn works to put even more distance between himself and his former running mate — the two had been on the outs for years — Republicans were quick to link them from Day 1.

    The Illinois Republican Party said Quinn’s first act as governor should have been an apology to Illinoisans. It accused Quinn of standing by while Blagojevich committed the actions that led to his impeachment and removal from office.

    “Blagojevich’s Lieutenant Governor and Blagojevich Democrats came to power on a promise of change but four years later they looked the other way and chose to endorse Blagojevich for re-election even though our state was faced with the largest corruption investigation in its history,” state GOP chairman Andy McKenna said in a statement.

    Blagojevich’s impeachment was triggered by his Dec. 9 arrest on federal corruption charges, including allegations he schemed to benefit from his power to appoint President Barack Obama’s U.S. Senate replacement. He was convicted by the Illinois Senate for also abusing the power of his office by expanding state programs, wasting money and skirting hiring rules.

    After his ouster, the state moved quickly to erase Blagojevich. His picture at the Capitol was taken down and his name erased from state Web sites.

    Some of Quinn’s gestures to show there’s a new guy in charge have been more subtle.

    He spent his first night on the job at the Executive Mansion and started moving in. Blagojevich had refused to move from Chicago to Springfield, irking downstate voters.

    In his first news conference as governor, Quinn said he wanted to reopen the seven state parks and 11 historic sites Blagojevich closed last year because of budget cuts. But he didn’t say how he would pay for that amid a budget deficit he has said could top $4 billion.

    “I think it’s squeezing a nickel to close parks and historic sites,” Quinn said. “You squeeze a nickel and lose a half dollar. That’s not smart government.”

    Quinn is welcome change to Ted Flickinger, president and CEO of the Illinois Association of Park Districts. Quinn spoke to the group Friday before meeting with state officers.

    “It’s the first time in a long time we’ve had a governor who puts a lot of emphasis on parks, recreation and conservation,” Flickinger said.

    Stylistically, Quinn and his predecessor couldn’t be more different. While Blagojevich — until his impeachment trial began — made a habit of eluding the media, Quinn pledges to hold regular news conferences. Blagojevich was slick, while Quinn comes across as earnest.

    Giannoulias expects state business to run more smoothly now that Blagojevich is out of the picture. “They can’t be any worse,” he said.

    Decidedly lower-profile than Blagojevich, Quinn wants to be different from his predecessor in one key high-profile way.

    When Blagojevich’s name is removed from state tollway signs, Quinn doesn’t want his emblazoned in its place.

    “I don’t think the tollway signs or the highway signs of Illinois should be an opportunity to pat the governor on the back,” he said. “I think in particular the tollway signs, the way they were done, was pompous government.”

    google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jpXq2szd4znFQ_uXL1MwOHjalCcQD9620II80

  116. confloyd — we all seem to be dead to outrage. We get more excited over a 2 second ‘wardrobe malfunction’ than we do when a utility co. shuts off the heat of a 93-year old man and he freezes to death (with the cash and the bill in his hand).

    To quote the company, “We did nothing wrong.”

    In what ghastly universe would that be true???

  117. Freckles, if I were a globalist and I spent decades building a system of treaties which would allow me to manufacture goods in the lowest cost venues and sell them into the highest price venues without the incumberance of borders in order to maximize my profits, then I would fear the rise of populist majorities who would push back on that treaty system I had painstakingly constructed once they realized that it had the effect of robbing Peter to pay Paul for my benefit and not theirs. To alleviate that risk, I would make an investment in the institutions within those societies where I could exert the maximum degree of social control to protect my treaty based system. Those would be the press, the political parties and the universities. Simply put, the Democratic Party like the Republican Party before it has been bought and sold to the highest bidder and neither one represents the middle class any longer. If you find tragedy in that then you are not alone. And that is why I come back to the seldom talked about figure of Felix Rohatyn who delivered the party from Roosevelt to Wall Street. He is the executor of Teddy Kennedys estate and friend of Poopsie who maintained that the party must divorce itself from first principles and sell its soul to Wall Street and ultimately people like Soros. Viewed in that light it is hardly surprising that when crisis comes Wall Street is first in line for bailouts, Congress fails to put controls on the money and is shocked, shocked that it is being spent for unintended purposes but does nothing to stop it and Main Street is not considered. In the process they deflate the dollar and give us bread and circuses. History proves it works until it doesnt.

  118. More Daschle Tax Issues
    January 30, 2009 11:24 PM

    ABC News has obtained the Senate Finance Committee Report on Tom Daschle’s nomination to be Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, which indicates that Daschle’s tax problems were even more substantial than earlier reported.

    The report indicates that Daschle’s failure to pay more than $101,000 taxes on the car and driver a wealthy friend let him use from 2005 through 2007 is not the only tax issue the former Senate Majority Leader has been dealing with since his December nomination prompted a more thorough examination of his income tax returns.

    Mr. Daschle also didn’t report $83,333 in consulting income in 2007.

    The Senate Finance Committee Report also notes that during the vetting process, President Obama’s Transition Team “identified certain donations that did not qualify as charitable deductions because they were not paid to qualifying organizations. Daschle adjusted his contribution deductions on his amended returns for 2005, 2006 and 2007 to remove these amounts and add additional contributions.” This adjustment meant a reduction in the amount he contributed to charitable foundations of $14,963 from 2005 through 2007.

    With the unreported income from the use of a car service in the amounts of $73,031 in 2005, $89,129 in 2006 and $93,096 in 2007; the unreported consulting income of $83,333 in 2007; and the adjusted reductions in charitable contributions, Daschle adds a total of $353,552 in additional income and reduced donations, meaning an additional tax payment of $128,203, in addition to $11,964 in interest.

    On January 2 of this year, Daschle filed amended tax returns to pay the $140,167 in unpaid taxes.

    The Finance Committee staff still is reviewing whether travel and entertainment services provided Tom and Linda Daschle by EduCap, Inc., Catherine B. Reynolds Foundation, Academy Achievement, and Loan to Learn should be reported as income. Earlier this month, the Wall Street Journal reported that Daschle made use of the jet belonging to EduCap, a non-profit student loan organization.

    — Jake Tapper

  119. One further point in follow up to the above: if you think back to Obama’s mendacity when he told the people of Ohio that he would reexamine the impact of NAFTA on the American People just like Hillary would, and then secretly dispatched Goolsbee to reassure the Canadian Minister that this was that was in effect a lie designed to pacify domestic audiences, then you get real insight into who he really is and who owns him. That is also why he received as much money as he did through undisclosed sources throughout the world and changed his position on public financing of elections.

  120. I don’t get how senator caskill complain about wall street CEOs when she herself amongst other senators and congressmen accepted the annual raises she really has no place therefore she hersled is an idiot!

  121. hillarygirl Says:

    January 31st, 2009 at 9:41 am
    More Daschle Tax Issues
    January 30, 2009 11:24 PM
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    Do you remember how big media fell all over itself praising the world class transition team spearheaded as it was by luminaries like Princess Caroline, and their near flawless performance (their words not mine). Here is another example of their fine work–the transition team and their big media surrogates who never let a little thing like the truth stand in the way of their power seeking narrative.

    But there is one beneficial consequence to all this. The people he appointed and they vetted and approved will be forced to pay back taxes after they are confirmed. At some point big media will report that this was part of the reason the omnicient and omnipotent Messiah appointed them.

  122. We still have a ways to go untill BO fills his den of thieves with the likes of madoff,daschle,geithen,dodd,richardson,emanuel,axlerod and tincup contributors that now want their thank you checks.Ali Babba had forty of them.

    By ABM90 Keep your doors locked folks and buy a dog.

  123. Haha Dash-Hole in a whole heap of trouble. The audacity is astounding.

    Q : How long would it take the IRS to have us liened and arrested had we failled to report this.

    With the unreported income from the use of a car service in the amounts of $73,031 in 2005, $89,129 in 2006 and $93,096 in 2007; the unreported consulting income of $83,333 in 2007; and the adjusted reductions in charitable contributions, Daschle adds a total of $353,552 in additional income and reduced donations, meaning an additional tax payment of $128,203, in addition to $11,964 in interest.

    On January 2 of this year, Daschle filed amended tax returns to pay the $140,167 in unpaid taxes.

    A: about a few weeks for, but if your a democrat politician it seems you can go years without paying it.

  124. ADMIN
    Thankyou again for the Dreams Taking Flight recommendation. Got two of them yesterday. Great gift for a young girl (or boy).If anyone is interested 11.94 including shipping from amazon. Took one week.

  125. If memory serves Mr. Obamas approval rating is 71% while the public support for his bailout package which is the centerpiece of his agenda is a mere 42% which reflects a 3% drop in the past week. Granted these are separate polls and they are subjective like all of them are to a degree. But doesnt the substantial spread between the perception of him and his policies tell us something important about when this gaudy honeymoon will end. At some point the two numbers will converge.

  126. moononpluto Says:

    January 31st, 2009 at 10:43 am

    figure will be a lot lower when its over.
    ——————————–
    agreed.

  127. seems to me that the U.S. cannot afford Obama’s ideas of ethics reform. By the time he is finished with all his “exceptions to the rule,” government will be more corrupt than ever before.

    Lobbyists, tax evaders, what next?

  128. “A: about a few weeks for, but if your a democrat politician it seems you can go years without paying it.”
    ***********
    About four weeks. Last years I filed an extension and sent in forms and taxes due at the end of May. A week earlier I received letter from the IRS, asking for the money and it was accurate to the “cent”.

  129. It beggars belief that none of them knew, i mean someone has to be running interference for these guys because the IRS i know is on your back accurate to the cent and dont let up until they get their pound of flesh, so the question is, who in the IRS was not doing their jobs or was doing favours.

  130. I got spanked by the IRS a few years ago it was three years after I had worked in a place waiting tables in Manhattan. 4,000 dollars they applied the credit card average to the cash sales. Tried to fight it as a 20 tip to a waiter is divided amongst many. Still owe them a couple of hundred. I got calls letters and it left a nasty mark on my credit report. Now I always pay using a card and leave a one dollar tip on credit with the rest in cash. Just to help with the averages. So yeah go after a waiter and let the crooked politicians slide.

  131. henry

    I always like to leave 20% but I do it on the credit card. Why do you put a $1 and leave the rest in cash? I want to do what is best for the waiter.

  132. I guess if Obama believes that his Rezko property deal was just an “oops/goofy mistake”, then his level of tolerance for unethical behavior must be much higher than that of the rest of us.

    Bodes well for a transparent and honest tenure…NOT!

  133. NewMexicoFan
    100% of any tip left on a credit card is claimed. The IRS assumes that the tips for checks paid in cash will be similar to those given on credit cards. So by leaving a bad tip on a credit card you bring down the averages a bit. Don’t understand why a tip isn’t considered a gift and thus untaxable. Thank god I don’t do that anymore. Tough job employer pays a whopping 2.83/hr with zero benifits and from a waiters tip the bartender serving assistants and others get a piece. Again it kills me that they went back four years and came after me and everyone else who had worked in the establishment at the time. Most of the 4k i had to pay was fines.

  134. A couple of years ago I started a small publishing company and set up an LLC.

    The first year I did my taxes (Turbotax) I was astounded by the number of expenses I could ‘write’ off’ as business costs.

    Of course, stupid me, I thought, “gee, I should have started a company years ago.” naturally, I did my taxes WRONG and the business FAILED but that didn’t stop the IRS for going after me with a vengeance for an approximate 5g underpayment which, as I said, I didn’t realize had occurred.

    Iit was only when I went to an accountant and he showed me how TurboTax had deducted expenses 2 and 3 times (only because the friggin program kept PROMPTING me to ‘go to the next page’ and like I said I don’t know much about taxes) that I saw the errors.

    But I’d been supporting myself on a teacher’s salary and always paid a LOT of taxes so I was STUNNED when the first notice I got from the IRS said that if I didn’t pay the entire amount within 1 month they would put a lien against my house!

    That threw me into a panic so I had to hire a ‘tax” attorney and he had to negotiate with the IRS for me. Bottom line, between the attorney, penalties, late fees, etc., a 5G ‘underpayment – if there really is such a thing) cost nearly 15G. It took me years to pay it off.

    #$@%$!

  135. One of the sources quoted the other day indicated that Tom Daschel aka the artful tax dodger has a political franchise of some kind–some bevy of sycophants who hang on his every word and do his bidding. This was the first I have heard of it. I wonder who they are and whether alice the goon mccaskill is one of them.

  136. Henry,

    It’s un -F***ing believable how they go after us and let the millionaires get a free ride.

    I guess that’s why they’re millionaires and we’re not. Like I said, when i started my ill-fated business and had to file a schedule C and saw the write-offs I was shocked!

    BTW, the IRS agent who ‘audited’ me was from another country (originally) as i could tell by the accent and she enjoyed every second of my discomfort.

    😡

  137. one of my many many jobs was once as a tax preparer. as a result I got to know a few people at the IRS and attorneys. One thing they all said to me was keep the same mo. They get the little guy all the time because for years they had filed with minimal deductions and then went to see an accountant who told them because they worked in music they could write off cable as they needed MTV. Sadly a flag goes up when there are significant changes.

  138. henry,

    Years ago i worked in the restaurant business and drove a cab in NYC so i know what it’s like to depend on tips to survive.

    What really ticked me off about the IRS audit is i had spent thousands of dollars ‘stimulating’ the economy through hiring free-lancers for a number of different things and between what I paid the IRS and what i sank into the ‘business’……let’s just say it was a nightmare.

  139. basil9
    well you definately don’t want to explore the abuses done with the earned income credit. Max you could claim was two kids when I did it so what happens is people sell their kids ssn so someone else can claim them. Work a couple of months out of the year part time pay zero taxes and get a 6,000 dollar refund. And looks like under bambi it’ll be even more.

  140. I have a neighbor who is over ninety and was mayor of one of the main cities in Alaska prior to statehood. He has maintained contacts there during the intervening years.

    He had a friend who was mayor of a small town on the outskirts of Anchorage during the 1980s. She told him that George W Bush was sent up there to work in some capacity at the Anchorage Airport–a remittance man of sorts.

    For some undisclosed reason, she put him up for several weeks at her home. This was a little surprising to me because she is a democrat whereas Bush is loyal to no party or nation. In the process she got to know him.

    She reported to my neighbor that she would come home in the evenings and sometimes in the afternoons as well. He would be sitting on the rug, in sweat gear, with a bowl of popcorn watching television–cartoons I would imagine.

    Needless to say she was disgusted. Therefore, when his name was mentioned as a candidate for President she complained. She was told to keep her mouth shut because whatever his personal shortcomings might be he was an oil man and would be good for Alaska.

    Big Media supported him as well and overlooked his flaws for their own partisan reasons. It seems what the elites want any more is a puppet who can bamboozle the masses while he does their bidding.

  141. One of the guys I worked with went to the IRS office drunk out of his mind reeking of booze and somehow negotiated his bill down to a grand. Needless to say his personality when inebriated is fun. Me I’d have ended up in jail.

  142. ROTF!!!!!

    “She reported to my neighbor that she would come home in the evenings and sometimes in the afternoons as well. He would be sitting on the rug, in sweat gear, with a bowl of popcorn watching television–cartoons I would imagine.”

  143. henry,

    The accountant I hired to ‘negotiate’ with the IRS auditor, a young woman from India, said she was the most unreasonable agent he’s ever negotiated with and seemed to derive pleasure in sticking it to an American woman.

    He had to force himself not to shout at her and thus risk her looking at more than one year of “under-payment.”

  144. Basil9
    In the end did you save any money by hiring an accountant? i looked at doing the same but as my bill was only 4000 I figured I’d spend just as much on the professional.

  145. A secretary of state’s first foreign trip is always an event — steeped in symbolism and parsed for clues about how the new boss will conduct diplomacy. Mrs. Clinton’s celebrity lends the maiden voyage added glitter, but also the burden of great expectations. The choice of the itinerary has been further complicated by the fact that the White House appointed two special emissaries who wasted no time booking their own foreign travel.

    ****************************

    Are these “special emissaries” there to dilute Hillary’s power and just who do they immediately report to? If they are running around the Middle East, where but Japan or China could Hill go?

  146. Remember when I pointed out early this week that Bambam’s approval ratings were down 10 points?

    To finish up the week, he’s down again…to 61.8

    That’s quite a drop from 76.X on coronnation day, over a point a day.

  147. Emjay
    61.8 seems a bit inflated to me. Even the most die hard waffles fans I argued with over the last year have conceeded the point that we would be much better off with Hill at the helm.

  148. Wbboei

    Tom Daschel is much unloved by other Dem politicians in these parts, and especially by his constituents in SD.

    There used to be a couple of writers here who spoke to his duplicity and real personality…
    I think CJ is one and djia moved to SD last fall.

  149. henry,

    I never seem to ‘save’ money but i was so terrified she was gonna say i owed even more than the 5G (multiplied by 3 when ya figured in their interest and penalties) that it was worth it for my peace of mind!

    In retrospect, i realized part of what happened is i had just reached the ‘bubble’ step as a teacher and that had bumped me up to a higher tax bracket which is really a misnomer seeing as how what i was then taxed consumed the entire ‘raise.’

    For those of you who are curious, the ‘bubble step is how the school districts keep idiots like me hanging on and save money/. typically, most teachers get a raise of maybe 1 or 2 grand per year, not even enough to keep up with the cost of inflation not to mention all the training ya have to take. Then, if you manage to survive the first 13 or 14 years, you get a (what to me) is a huge salary increase of 10 to 15 G. By that time you’re so friggin burned out it
    s all you can do to keep showing up at the job. What a racket!

  150. Gonzotx

    The NYT started on Wednesday stirring things up about Hillary with questions like “with Holbrooke and Mitchell” what important trips does she have to make anyway, and pointing to “State Dept aides” saying she was going to spend most of her time in Foggy Bottom, she had pushed an important staffer out of his office for her her friend Lew, etc.

    Left out was the fact that she is the one who suggested George and Dick to Bambam in the first place.

    Take any NYT or Madame Secretary (a Slate property) piece about Secretary Clinton with a fistful of salt.

  151. George and Dick report first to Hill, then to BHO and Hill together.

    Doesn’t mean they won’t take BHO’s call and answer the question, “How’s it goin’ guys?”

  152. wbboei Says:

    January 31st, 2009 at 1:30 am
    Here is a restatement of the betrayal of first principles by the dimocrats which was written by freethinker at Hillays Village blog
    —————————————-
    An Atheist in the Cult of Personality
    January 21st, 2009

    WOW this is what I have been feeling for the last year.

    The people in France are in the streets rioting, when are we gonna get off our asses and take to the streets? enough is enough!!!. Backstabbing is an Obama family value and we are being knived again and again!!!. If we dont stand up for ourselves soon we will be left with nothing but to wander and beg for the scraps they throw us. What has happened to us how did we let it get this far, the is not the USA I grew up in.

  153. MSNBC went all out to get Obama elected, but now they’re tiptoeing into dangerous territory! Criticizing The One is verrrrrrry risky — as all of us at No Quarter know only too well after non-stop attacks for the past 15+ months!

    Found this on NQ there is MSNBC vid that goes with it, I dont know how to enbed it but its fun to watch it.

  154. MSNBC went all out to get Obama elected, but now they’re tiptoeing into dangerous territory! Criticizing The One is verrrrrrry risky — as all of us at No Quarter know only too well after non-stop attacks for the past 15+ months!

    Found this on NQ there is MSNBC vid that goes with it, I dont know how to enbed it but its fun to watch it.

  155. Emjay Says:

    January 31st, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    Remember when I pointed out early this week that Bambam’s approval ratings were down 10 points?

    To finish up the week, he’s down again…to 61.8

    That’s quite a drop from 76.X on coronnation day, over a point a day.

    =======================

    Wow. Is htere a demographic breakdown? I wonder how many of those are women who watched what he did with the family planning money and now the ‘fair paycheck’ part of the Ledbetter Law?

  156. TDO

    No demographics, because the figure is an average.

    Go to Real Clear Politics, down left column to Obama approval ratings and dig down a layer or two for figures from several polls and states.

  157. basil said:
    I did my taxes WRONG and the business FAILED but that didn’t stop the IRS for going after me with a vengeance for an approximate 5g underpayment which, as I said, I didn’t realize had occurred.

    ==================

    Good thing you weren’t an ally of Hillary’s going for a cabinet appointment from which to support her.

  158. wbboei Says:

    January 31st, 2009 at 9:22 am

    Freckles, if I were a globalist and I spent decades building a system of treaties which would allow me to manufacture goods in the lowest cost venues and sell them into the highest price venues without the incumberance of borders in order to maximize my profits, then I would fear the rise of populist majorities who would push back on that treaty system I had painstakingly constructed once they realized that it had the effect of robbing Peter to pay Paul for my benefit and not theirs

    ========================

    Very well put, till you lost me at Peter and Paul.

  159. the possibility of senator judd gregg NH getting the commerce secretary job allows governor lynch (D) to appoint a new senator. we have two bot congress-pukes already jockeying for position. both ( paul hodes and carol shea-porter ) dumb as a sack of hammers. god help us if either of those idiots are selected.

    someone to watch is kelly a. ayotte, NH attorney general. though a republican, she has brains and a lot of moxie.

  160. If Gregg(R) NH is nominated for Commerce Secretary, and a dim is appointed to the senate seat, the dims will have a filibuster proof majority. Yikes.

  161. Again with the “double standards” media philosophy out there, if we had been lucky enough to get Hillary elected as president, anyone she put forth for cabinet positions with one iota of tax evasion or any other scandal would have been pulverized. And Hillary’s name would have been blackened as never before. I am sure impeachment proceedings would have followed even on day one.

  162. birdgal Says:
    If Gregg(R) NH is nominated for Commerce Secretary, and a dim is appointed to the senate seat, the dims will have a filibuster proof majority. Yikes

    ==================

    Very clever strategy by the Obama camp. At best they get their wanted number of Democrats. If the GOP, doing the math too, ask Gregg to turn down the appointment, then there may be dissention among the GOP. If Gregg does turn it down, then at least the Obama camp gets a distraction from whatever else they’re doing.

  163. As far as the NYT or Washington Post…

    I do know that their slander against Hillary and adoration of Obama is out there. I go to their sites and I post a few of their articles here because I like to know what the “enemy” is thinking.

    I can however stop posting them here if the readers find them offensive.

  164. JanH,

    If the articles (or quotes) are posted here, then that saves visiting the offensive site. I really appreciate seeing the gist here, if it’s got some news value and is not just slush.

  165. you lost me at Peter and Paul.
    —————————
    The advocates of radical free trade frequently cite David Ricardo’s theory of comparative advantage which postulates that under a free trade regime every nation does that portion of the global economic output that it does best and the world as a whole is better off.

    In practice however the work flows from nations with a high cost of living to those with a lower cost of living and a trained or trainable workforce.

    In the long run the cost of living rises in the low cost countries and falls in the higher cost countries until some global equilibrium is established.

    But as Keynes put it-in the long run we will all be dead. In the short run the manufacturing class loses jobs and global capitalists get richer. It is akin to the mecantilism of the colonial era which is why it has been dubbed by some as the British system.

    The alternative system is one where each nation has a self sufficient economy of its own and engages in world trade over and above that. Such a system is based on tariffs, and the thing you have to watch out for is the emergence of a black market if the differential grows too great as it did in the old Soviet Union.

  166. JanH

    You are definitely NOT offending by bringing stuff back from the enemy… in fact, we used to beg someone from here to go into enemy territory for us – to DKos even, to know what was being said. We were just chicken enough, or mad enough, to not want to do it ourselves… and in my case, vindictive.

    No one is more pleased than I by the soiling of the great grey lady’s hems. They now have to sell their new building and lease back space, or borrow up to the hilt.

    And so far, no one wants to take their debt.
    Bwah Ha ha ha ha ha.

  167. The robbing of Peter to pay Paul referred to the loss of the American job and the corresponding creation of the same job in China at a lower cost. Then, though supply chain manufacturing selling that item back into the US economy. Once China builds its middle class that will be the market into which they sell. I am told that India today has a middle class equivalent in size to the population of the United States. Based on the excellence of the work they do there on computer problems I am surprised Gates has not set up a shop there in addition to Redmond Washington, London and Peking.

  168. TARP probe delayed over paperwork rule
    An investigation into how banks and other firms are using their bailout funds must wait while the Obama administration determines whether it conflicts with federal paperwork statutes.

    By Ralph Vartabedian
    January 31, 2009

    The Obama administration has told special investigators in the Treasury Department to delay a comprehensive examination of how banks and other corporations are using $350 billion in federal bailout money because of possible conflicts with federal paperwork statutes.

    The delay sparked an angry response from the senior Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, who called the action “very disturbing” and said the administration had “sent a terrible signal by creating all sorts of red tape.”

    Chrysler Financial gets $1.5-billion…Bank of America gets $20 billion more from U.S.
    Neil M. Barofsky, special inspector general for the Trouble Asset Relief Program, or TARP, was set this week to begin asking every bank that received money from the bailout to document its use of the money and plans for complying with the program’s restrictions on executive pay.

    Amid growing criticism of the Treasury Department’s handling of the bailout, the probe is the most expansive effort to determine whether banks are fulfilling the bailout’s mission of unfreezing credit and expanding lending to help lead an economic recovery.

    But before Barofsky could send out the letters, the Office of Management and Budget, the White House’s agent for managing the executive branch, told Barofsky that his plan could run into trouble with the Paperwork Reduction Act.

    The 1980 law is enforced by the OMB and was intended to reduce the paperwork managed by the federal government and reduce the burden on the private sector to generate paperwork for the government. The OMB could have issued a rare emergency waiver of the law.

    On Friday evening, an OMB official said the agency was conducting an “expedited review.” He said he knew of no fundamental disagreement about the investigation, but rather that the delay involved making sure proper procedures were being followed.

    The dispute was disclosed Friday by Grassley, who cosponsored the legislation to create the special inspector general. Among many others, Grassley has been critical of the lack of transparency in the TARP program.

    The OMB had told Barofsky, a former federal prosecutor, that he would have to issue a notice of proposed inquiry to the banks, give them 15 days to wait for comment and then justify to the OMB that he had taken into account the banks’ concerns, Grassley said.

    Barofsky “should not have to jump through bureaucratic hoops in order to gather basic information that the government could have and should have required as a condition of the receipt of TARP funds in the first place,” Grassley told OMB director Peter Orszag in a letter. Grassley also disputed whether the paperwork law applied to the investigation.

    latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-tarp31-2009jan31,0,679610.story

  169. “The OMB could have issued a rare emergency waiver of the law.”

    So why didnt they? Why didnt the White House direct them to?

    Silly questions.

    Just remember these are the same people who helped put Mr. Obama in office.

  170. “The OMB could have issued a rare emergency waiver of the law.”

    So why didnt they? Why didnt the White House direct them to?

    Silly questions.

    Just remember these are the same people who helped put Mr. Obama in office.

  171. So, Barofsky and the OMB will give the Wall St big wheels three more weeks to hide $18.6B from those of us who paid it out witout knowing where it was going?

    Blasfamous!

  172. wbboei said: But as Keynes put it-in the long run we will all be dead.

    =====================

    I suppose you mean that something needs to be done now instead of waiting for the long run when it will be too late to help us who are alive now? — That’s the way I’ve seen the statement parsed, supposedly its original meaning.

  173. JanH Says: Thanks turndown. I can see both sides of the argument and I just didn’t want to offend.

    ==============

    I think there’s a line to be drawn, unfortunately different people will draw it at different places. For some articles a link and your own comment might be enough. For other articles, maybe the meat of the article, whatever news or fact is actually in it, plus a link. In any case, maybe beginning with a warning like ‘offensive bot nonsense to follow’ so that some people could skim over it — and not quoting enough to take up screens and screens. (Not that you’ve done that.)

  174. JanH Says:
    January 31st, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    TARP probe delayed over paperwork rule
    An investigation into how banks and other firms are using their bailout funds must wait while the Obama administration determines whether it conflicts with federal paperwork statutes.

    By Ralph Vartabedian
    January 31, 2009

    The Obama administration has told special investigators in the Treasury Department to delay a comprehensive examination of how banks and other corporations are using $350 billion in federal bailout money because of possible conflicts with federal paperwork statutes.

    =======================

    That is pure nasty slimy Obama tactic! Just as in the re-vote proposals in FL and MI — rather than openly oppose them, he quibbled about detials to run out the clock.

  175. Excellent news here.

    Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur tells foreclosed homeowners to become “mortgage squatters”

    She has put up a page telling Ohio mortgage holders how to fight foreclosure: “Produce the Note”.

    h…../
    thenewagenda.net/2009/01/31/news-from-the-economic-front-congresswoman-marcy-kaptur-tells-foreclosed-owners-to-become-mortgage-squatters/comment-page-1/#comment-10094

  176. and so it begins…or should I say that it’s business as usual for this fraud?

    —————————

    Obama White House tightly manages message:

    Jan 30 (Reuters) – President Barack Obama has tightly managed the White House message during his first days in office, staging media events that portray him as a leader taking the country in a new direction who keeps his promises.

    He traveled to the State Department with fanfare to participate name special diplomatic envoys for the Mideast peace process and the Afghanistan-Pakistan region, encouraging the perception he favors diplomacy over military power.

    By contrast, his trip to the Pentagon this week was not carried live on television. And while he emphasizes diplomacy, Obama’s pronouncements on some international issues have sounded strikingly like those of former President George W. Bush.

    Here are some of the themes Obama has been pushing:

    * Monday – Obama took a sharp change of direction from the Bush administration by reversing some of the outgoing president’s climate policies at a morning event at the White House, a move which appealed to his environmentalist backers.

    * Tuesday – Obama traveled to Capitol Hill to urge Republican leaders in the House of Representatives and the Senate to back his more than $800 billion spending bill to lift the economy out of recession. House Republicans praised the president for the visit but complained that congressional Democrats had excluded them from the legislative process and the next day voted against the measure. However, the visit showed Obama trying to fulfill a campaign promise to bridge the bipartisan divide in Washington.

    * Wednesday – Obama staged a White House event with corporate executives who support his economic stimulus plan. The ailing economy was the day’s main focus, but Obama paid a low-key visit to the Pentagon for his first meeting with the full Joint Chiefs of Staff, the top U.S. military leaders. He said later that difficult decisions had to be made soon about Iraq and Afghanistan. Cameras caught Obama shaking hands with rows of enlisted troops and thanking them for their service.

    * Thursday – Obama delivered for his labor and women’s rights supporters, signing a measure into law that made it easier to sue for pay discrimination. The law overturned a Supreme Court ruling that imposed a strict time limit of such lawsuits. The measure was signed in the White House East Room and broadcast live. Obama later used an Oval Office meeting with his Treasury secretary to promise a more comprehensive plan to boost the economy, even as he criticized corporate executives for taking huge bonuses during a financial crisis.

    * Friday – Obama used bad economic news to press the U.S. Senate to move forward on his more than $800 billion stimulus bill passed by the House. His remarks were carried live from the White House at an event discussing a task force on middle class families. He also used the event to sign executive orders reversing some Bush-era decisions seen as anti-union, pleasing another key constituency.

    (Writing by David Alexander, editing by Patricia Zengerle and and Alan Elsner)

    reuters.com/article/featuredCrisis/idUSN30379301

    ——————–

    can I just say that I am glad there are a few brave souls out in medialand that are willing to step back from the koolaid…

  177. Can you imagine in one room _

    Sheila Bair, Marcy Kaptur, Hillary Clinton, Barbara Mikulski, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kathleen Hall Jamieson, Elizabeth Warren, Ann Lewis, Lynn Forester, Admin ?, Bethany McLean,

    Let’s play with this over the weekend… your sheroes….all in one room…

  178. Anyone watching this? I guess Parisians aren’t exactly defrosting their refrigerators in respose to the several days of protests that seems to be spreading through Europe like wildfire. Not when Riot Police are using Tear Gas to disperse the crowds and inflaming the outrage already felt by protestors crushed by economic depression.

    Governments across Europe tremble as angry people take to the streets

    France paralysed by a wave of strike action, the boulevards of Paris resembling a debris-strewn battlefield. The Hungarian currency sinks to its lowest level ever against the euro, as the unemployment figure rises. Greek farmers block the road into Bulgaria in protest at low prices for their produce. New figures from the biggest bank in the Baltic show that the three post-Soviet states there face the biggest recessions in Europe.

    It’s a snapshot of a single day – yesterday – in a Europe sinking into the bleakest of times. But while the outlook may be dark in the big wealthy democracies of western Europe, it is in the young, poor, vulnerable states of central and eastern Europe that the trauma of crash, slump and meltdown looks graver.

    Exactly 20 years ago, in serial revolutionary rejoicing, they ditched communism to put their faith in a capitalism now in crisis and by which they feel betrayed. The result has been the biggest protests across the former communist bloc since the days of people power.

    Europe’s time of troubles is gathering depth and scale. Governments are trembling. Revolt is in the air.
    Athens

    Alexandros Grigoropoulos, a 15-year-old middle-class boy going to a party in a rough neighbourhood on a December Saturday, was the first fatality of Europe’s season of strife. Shot dead by a policeman, the boy’s killing lit a bonfire of unrest in the city unmatched since the 1970s.

    There are many wellsprings of the serial protests rolling across Europe. In Athens, it was students and young people who suddenly mobilised to turn parts of the city into no-go areas. They were sick of the lack of jobs and prospects, the failings of the education system and seized with pessimism over their future.

    This week it was the farmers’ turn, rolling their tractors out to block the motorways, main road and border crossings across the Balkans to try to obtain better procurement prices for their produce.
    Riga

    The old Baltic trading city had seen nothing like it since the happy days of kicking out the Russians and overthrowing communism two decades ago. More than 10,000 people converged on the 13th-century cathedral to show the Latvian government what they thought of its efforts at containing the economic crisis. The peaceful protest morphed into a late-night rampage as a minority headed for the parliament, battled with riot police and trashed parts of the old city. The following day there were similar scenes in Vilnius, the Lithuanian capital next door.

    After Iceland, Latvia looks like the most vulnerable country to be hammered by the financial and economic crisis. The EU and IMF have already mounted a €7.5bn (£6.6bn) rescue plan but the outlook is the worst in Europe.

    The biggest bank in the Baltic, Swedbank of Sweden, yesterday predicted a slump this year in Latvia of a whopping 10%, more than double the previous projections. It added that the economy of Estonia would shrink by 7% and of Lithuania by 4.5%.

    The Latvian central bank’s governor went on national television this week to pronounce the economy “clinically dead. We have only three or four minutes to resuscitate it”.
    Paris

    Burned-out cars, masked youths, smashed shop windows, and more than a million striking workers. The scenes from France are familiar, but not so familiar to President Nicolas Sarkozy, confronting the first big wave of industrial unrest of his time in the Elysée Palace.

    Sarkozy has spent most of his time in office trying to fix the world’s problems, with less attention devoted to the home front. From Gaza to Georgia, Russia to Washington, Sarkozy has been a man in a hurry to mediate in trouble spots and grab the credit for peacemaking.

    France, meanwhile, is moving into recession and unemployment is going up. The latest jobless figures were to have been released yesterday, but were held back, apparently for fear of inflaming the protests.
    Budapest

    A balance of payments crisis last autumn, heavy indebtedness and a disastrous budget made Hungary the first European candidate for an international rescue. The $26bn (£18bn) IMF-led bail-out shows scant sign of working. Industrial output is at its lowest for 16 years, the national currency – the forint – sank to a record low against the euro yesterday and the government also announced another round of spending cuts yesterday.

    So far the streets have been relatively quiet. The Hungarian misery highlights a key difference between eastern and western Europe. While the UK, Germany, France and others plough hundreds of billions into public spending, tax cuts, bank bailouts and guarantees to industry, the east Europeans (plus Iceland and Ireland) are broke, ordering budget cuts, tax rises, and pleading for international help to shore up their economies.

    The austerity and the soaring costs of repaying bank loans and mortgages taken out in hard foreign currencies (euro, yen and dollar) are fuelling the misery.
    Kiev

    The east European upheavals of 1989 hit Ukraine late, maturing into the Orange Revolution on the streets of Kiev only five years ago. The fresh start promised by President Viktor Yushchenko has, though, dissolved into messy, corrupt, and brutal political infighting, with the economy, growing strongly a few years ago, going into freefall.

    Three weeks of gas wars with Russia this month ended in defeat and will cost Ukraine dearly. The national currency, at less than half the value of six months ago, is akin to the fate of Iceland’s wrecked krona. Ukrainians have been buying dollars by the billion. In November the IMF waded in with the first payments in a $16bn rescue package.

    The vicious power struggles between Yushchenko and the prime minister, Yuliya Tymoshenko, are consuming the ruling elite’s energy, paralysing government and leaving the economy dysfunctional. Russia is doing its best to keep things that way.
    Reykjavik

    Proud of its status as one of the world’s most developed, most productive and most equal societies, Iceland is in the throes of what is, by its staid standards, a revolution.

    Riot police in Reykjavik, the coolest of capitals. Building bonfires in front of the world’s oldest parliament. The yoghurt flying at the free market men who have run the country for decades and brought it to its knees.

    An openly gay prime minister takes over today as head of a caretaker government. The neocon right has been ditched. The hard left Greens are, at least for the moment, the most popular party in the small Arctic state with a population the size of Bradford.

    The IMF’s bailout teams have moved in with $11bn. The national currency, the krona, appears to be finished. Iceland is a test case of how one of the most successful societies on the globe suddenly failed.

    guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jan/31/global-recession-europe-protests

  179. guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jan/31/global-recession-europe-protests

    Anyone watching this? I guess Parisians aren’t exactly defrosting their refrigerators in respose to the several days of protests that seems to be spreading through Europe like wildfire. Not when Riot Police are using Tear Gas to disperse the crowds and inflaming the outrage already felt by protestors crushed by economic depression.

    Governments across Europe tremble as angry people take to the streets

    France paralysed by a wave of strike action, the boulevards of Paris resembling a debris-strewn battlefield. The Hungarian currency sinks to its lowest level ever against the euro, as the unemployment figure rises. Greek farmers block the road into Bulgaria in protest at low prices for their produce. New figures from the biggest bank in the Baltic show that the three post-Soviet states there face the biggest recessions in Europe.

    It’s a snapshot of a single day – yesterday – in a Europe sinking into the bleakest of times. But while the outlook may be dark in the big wealthy democracies of western Europe, it is in the young, poor, vulnerable states of central and eastern Europe that the trauma of crash, slump and meltdown looks graver.

    Exactly 20 years ago, in serial revolutionary rejoicing, they ditched communism to put their faith in a capitalism now in crisis and by which they feel betrayed. The result has been the biggest protests across the former communist bloc since the days of people power.

    Europe’s time of troubles is gathering depth and scale. Governments are trembling. Revolt is in the air.
    Athens

    Alexandros Grigoropoulos, a 15-year-old middle-class boy going to a party in a rough neighbourhood on a December Saturday, was the first fatality of Europe’s season of strife. Shot dead by a policeman, the boy’s killing lit a bonfire of unrest in the city unmatched since the 1970s.

    There are many wellsprings of the serial protests rolling across Europe. In Athens, it was students and young people who suddenly mobilised to turn parts of the city into no-go areas. They were sick of the lack of jobs and prospects, the failings of the education system and seized with pessimism over their future.

    This week it was the farmers’ turn, rolling their tractors out to block the motorways, main road and border crossings across the Balkans to try to obtain better procurement prices for their produce.
    Riga

    The old Baltic trading city had seen nothing like it since the happy days of kicking out the Russians and overthrowing communism two decades ago. More than 10,000 people converged on the 13th-century cathedral to show the Latvian government what they thought of its efforts at containing the economic crisis. The peaceful protest morphed into a late-night rampage as a minority headed for the parliament, battled with riot police and trashed parts of the old city. The following day there were similar scenes in Vilnius, the Lithuanian capital next door.

    After Iceland, Latvia looks like the most vulnerable country to be hammered by the financial and economic crisis. The EU and IMF have already mounted a €7.5bn (£6.6bn) rescue plan but the outlook is the worst in Europe.

    The biggest bank in the Baltic, Swedbank of Sweden, yesterday predicted a slump this year in Latvia of a whopping 10%, more than double the previous projections. It added that the economy of Estonia would shrink by 7% and of Lithuania by 4.5%.

    The Latvian central bank’s governor went on national television this week to pronounce the economy “clinically dead. We have only three or four minutes to resuscitate it”.
    Paris

    Burned-out cars, masked youths, smashed shop windows, and more than a million striking workers. The scenes from France are familiar, but not so familiar to President Nicolas Sarkozy, confronting the first big wave of industrial unrest of his time in the Elysée Palace.

    Sarkozy has spent most of his time in office trying to fix the world’s problems, with less attention devoted to the home front. From Gaza to Georgia, Russia to Washington, Sarkozy has been a man in a hurry to mediate in trouble spots and grab the credit for peacemaking.

    France, meanwhile, is moving into recession and unemployment is going up. The latest jobless figures were to have been released yesterday, but were held back, apparently for fear of inflaming the protests.
    Budapest

    A balance of payments crisis last autumn, heavy indebtedness and a disastrous budget made Hungary the first European candidate for an international rescue. The $26bn (£18bn) IMF-led bail-out shows scant sign of working. Industrial output is at its lowest for 16 years, the national currency – the forint – sank to a record low against the euro yesterday and the government also announced another round of spending cuts yesterday.

    So far the streets have been relatively quiet. The Hungarian misery highlights a key difference between eastern and western Europe. While the UK, Germany, France and others plough hundreds of billions into public spending, tax cuts, bank bailouts and guarantees to industry, the east Europeans (plus Iceland and Ireland) are broke, ordering budget cuts, tax rises, and pleading for international help to shore up their economies.

    The austerity and the soaring costs of repaying bank loans and mortgages taken out in hard foreign currencies (euro, yen and dollar) are fuelling the misery.
    Kiev

    The east European upheavals of 1989 hit Ukraine late, maturing into the Orange Revolution on the streets of Kiev only five years ago. The fresh start promised by President Viktor Yushchenko has, though, dissolved into messy, corrupt, and brutal political infighting, with the economy, growing strongly a few years ago, going into freefall.

    Three weeks of gas wars with Russia this month ended in defeat and will cost Ukraine dearly. The national currency, at less than half the value of six months ago, is akin to the fate of Iceland’s wrecked krona. Ukrainians have been buying dollars by the billion. In November the IMF waded in with the first payments in a $16bn rescue package.

    The vicious power struggles between Yushchenko and the prime minister, Yuliya Tymoshenko, are consuming the ruling elite’s energy, paralysing government and leaving the economy dysfunctional. Russia is doing its best to keep things that way.
    Reykjavik

    Proud of its status as one of the world’s most developed, most productive and most equal societies, Iceland is in the throes of what is, by its staid standards, a revolution.

    Riot police in Reykjavik, the coolest of capitals. Building bonfires in front of the world’s oldest parliament. The yoghurt flying at the free market men who have run the country for decades and brought it to its knees.

    An openly gay prime minister takes over today as head of a caretaker government. The neocon right has been ditched. The hard left Greens are, at least for the moment, the most popular party in the small Arctic state with a population the size of Bradford.

    The IMF’s bailout teams have moved in with $11bn. The national currency, the krona, appears to be finished. Iceland is a test case of how one of the most successful societies on the globe suddenly failed.

    guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jan/31/global-recession-europe-protests

  180. Anyone seeing the protests all over Europe? They are protesting the economic depression whilst being pelted with tear gas by Riot Police.

    guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jan/31/global-recession-europe-protests

  181. Coins anyone? These are very valuable and could be your keyes to his kingdom.Send in your checks in the next 24 hours and we will give you a bonus gift of certificates of authenticity for each and every one and of course do not forget to add the s&h fee.This offer does not pass the smell test.How about the problem of no certificate of authenticity for the man on the coins. Barnum was so right.

    By ABM90 If you waste your money on this scam,you probably would buy an extended warranty on a snowball in hell.

  182. Emjay Says:

    January 31st, 2009 at 6:21 pm
    ————————

    and what an amazing think tank that would be!

  183. Whats going on in Russia, thousands of protest, calling for Putins head, this is starting to look really out of hand, the people seem to want to take their countries back, this is going to spread.

  184. Okay this is a two pager so I just copied the beginning…

    Health care groups paid Daschle $220K

    By KENNETH P. VOGEL | 1/30/09

    The speaking fees were detailed in a financial disclosure statement released Friday.

    Tom Daschle, tapped to be President Obama’s health czar, was paid more than $200,000 by the health-care industry in the past two years, according to documents obtained by Politico

    The former Senate majority leader, who gave speeches to firms and groups with a vested-interest in the administration’s upcoming health reform, collected the checks as part of a $5 million windfall after he lost reelection to his South Dakota seat.

    This weekend, Daschle’s nomination to be secretary of Health and Human Services became embroiled in controversy over the last-minute revelation that he had only recently paid long-overdue taxes.

    Daschle made nearly $5.3 million in the last two years, records released Friday show, including $220,000 he received for giving speeches, many of them to outfits that stand to gain or lose millions of dollars from the work he would do once confirmed as secretary of Health and Human Services.

    politico.com/news/stories/0109/18237.html

  185. moon,

    i was thinking the same thing. between those incredible paris pics up at drudge yesterday, the UK protests and now russia, it doesn’t look good.

    question is when will it spread to the us?

  186. I think its about time, if we want to see the back of these idiots that fed and brought about this economic crash, then let the people take to the streets, i’m all for it.

    Time to see how much of a dictator Putin and his friends, Sarkozy and Brown and Merkel are.

  187. People forget this, you see, while some places sit on their asses and nothing other countries do not sit idly and take the bull.

    Only 10 to 15 years ago, these places were hanging dictators up by rope, they get pissed off easily.

  188. We discussed last year here one night and we said, Russia would eventually go back to its Bolshevik and Communists roots, looks like its starting. The people of Russia are seeing the few have all the money and wealth and its not going down well.

    Communism is not dead in Russia, its still going, sleeping, its only been driven underground.

  189. Gotta love the headline

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5627534.ece

    ‘Jimmy Carter’ tag has Obama wincing

    LESS than two weeks into his administration, President Barack Obama is being portrayed by opponents as a new Jimmy Carter – weak at home and naive abroad – in an attempt to dim his post-election glow and ensure that he serves only one term.

    The charge has stung because it was made privately by Hillary Clinton supporters during a hard-fought primary campaign and plays to fears about Obama’s inexperience.

    He is engaged in early trials of strength with Republicans in Washington and critics of the United States around the world – not least Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president. Obama faces battles to talk Wall Street into giving up its addiction to large bonuses and US banks to start lending again.

    “Barack Obama thinks he can charm his adversaries into changing their ways but his personality can’t change the dynamics,” said Tom Edmonds, a Republican consultant.

  190. The next few years are going to be very trying ones for all of us, there is serious major world shifting about to happen.

  191. Just in case you save some time flipping channels tomorrow morning…

    January 31, 2009, 5:21 pm
    Sunday’s Breakfast Menu, Feb. 1
    By Sarah Wheaton

    Opening arguments in the coming week’s Senate debate over the stimulus package will take place Sunday morning, with each program featuring at least one member of the 100-member club.

    CBS’s “Face the Nation” has Senators Mitch McConnell, the minority leader, and Charles E. Schumer, head of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. NBC’s “Meet the Press” has Senators Kay Bailey Hutchison, Republican of Texas, and John Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts. (NBC is noting special airtimes for the program due to the Super Bowl, by the way.)

    On “Fox News Sunday,” Dick Durbin of Illinois represents the Senate Democrats, facing Jon Kyl of Arizona. Senator Dianne Feinstein of California is booked on CNN’s “State of the Union” with John Ensign, chairman of the Senate Republicans’ campaign arm.

    Senator Jim DeMint, Republican of South Carolina is on ABC’s “This Week” with Representative Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, as well as Eric E. Schmidt, C.E.O. of Google, and Fred Smith, C.E.O. of FedEx. (Though given some of the controversy surrounding George Stephanopoulos and his daily chats with Rahm Emanuel, White House chief of staff, we’d almost prefer that the interrogator take questions).

    Other non-Senators on the menu include Govs. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota and Jennifer Granholm of Michigan, and Michael Steele, the new G.O.P. chairman, is on “Fox News Sunday.”

    thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/31/sundays-breakfast-menu-feb-1/

  192. HERE’S A NICE PIECE BY MICHAEL CALDERONE:

    Is WH press office being transparent? David Cay Johnston clearly doesn’t think so. The Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter writes on CJR that White House press staffers have declined giving their names, titles, and initiated going off the record — that’s when Johnston gets them on the phone in the first place.
    All these things have left the veteran journalist quite miffed.
    After a full week of such calls, a human being answers. But Ben Labolt immediately bristles when asked to spell his name, refuses to give his job title, and says he is going “off the record” until I stop him to explain that the reporter grants that privilege, not the other way around—a basic journalistic standard that Labolt seems unaware of. He soon hangs up without even hearing what I called to ask about.

    A return call is answered by Priya Singh, who spells her name when asked, but does not know (or will not say) what her job title is and several times describes requests for information about how the Obama administration press office is operating as a “complaint” which she would pass on. She says she is not authorized to comment, though she at one point tells me she is a spokesperson.

    This might be the simply the problems of a new administration struggling to cope with a flood of calls and perhaps the complex machinery of the modern office. But it might also indicate that President Obama’s messages about open government have not reached press secretary Robert Gibbs and his staff.

    While it is too early to judge just how this will work out, the early signs are troubling. And interviews with a dozen Washington reporters indicate that the Obama press operation tends to embrace friendly questions, while treating skeptical questions as not worth their time or, worse, as coming from an enemy.

    I have called 202-456-2080, the main number for the White House press office, going back to the Nixon administration. Never has anyone in the press office declined to spell his name, give his job title, or hung up, even after the kind of aggressive exchanges that used to be common between journalists and flacks—and between journalists and high government officials, for that matter.

    A GOOD CASE COULD BE MADE THAT BAMBI IS MORE LIKE NIXON THAN ANY OF THE OTHER LAYABOUTS IN THAT OFFICE. TRICKY DICK’S SECRECY WAS WORSE THAN BUSH’S. THE OPENING WHITE HOUSE GAMBITS ARE A SURE SIGN THAT THE TOXIC MIX OF ARROGANCE AND PARANOIA ARE BACK IN VOGUE.

  193. question is when will it spread to the us?
    —————————
    basil, I think it depends on a number of factors particularly the unemployment rate. Today, anything over 15% is in the red zone. A financial collapse in Mexico could create a sumani of illegal immigration which would overwhelm our safety nets. A terrorist attack and the breakdown of our just in time economy. Telepromptered speeches, garlands from big media and flowery words would be counterproductive at that point.

  194. I have someone leaving for Germany next Saturday. I have just had a discussion about what is going on there. They said that they have been receiving email briefings on what is going on. I am hoping to get a report after they return on the 16th. I also have a friend going to live in Spain for 90 days. I will be email them also to see what is going on.

    I really want things to settle down. But I think that is only possible if you have someone that can negotiate, and get in and get people to hammer out a compromise, not take out ads in the home districts of Republicans that you think you can swing. In fact, I think that sort of bullying, which worked during the primary, and general, might just backfire. However, it was evident long ago that O does not go in and slap people on the back and convince people to change their minds. He forces them to change their minds.

    I always thought that was a major leader flaw.

  195. If you are not too rushed, here is a video which is disturbing and instructive. About our financial institutions, the role of money in our lives and national policy. It is a bit febrile, but it ain’t pretty. Against this background it is easy to see the evolution of the Bush’s and Obama’s and the banks and Wall Street and the whole stinking mess.

    h t t p://w w w.zeitgeistmovie.com/add_english.

    Who can wonder that we have such a low information electorate?

  196. However, it was evident long ago that O does not go in and slap people on the back and convince people to change their minds. He forces them to change their minds.
    ——————————-
    Remember how he got shouted down by republicans when McCain forced him to go back to Washington DC on the bailout bill during the campaign. I doubt he has much leverage to force people to change their minds. Or they may have equal or greater leverage on him.

  197. I am really beginning to believe in karma, because every one who back stabbed Hillary is getting a bit of their own medicine. Daschle now has tax issues…..the only difference is if it were Hillary, these would be world headlines. Losers like Daschle, Richardson, CK, etc., get a pass….

  198. # JanH Says:
    January 31st, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    Mrs. Smith & Moon,

    Definitely a frightening turn of events.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I am not concerned with Russia. However, France is a completely different story. Enough time needs to elapse before a determination can be made if the amplification of protests is cumulative work of operatives or the heart and soul of the Frenc demontration their disdain for Sarkozy’s mishandling of their economic woes.

  199. I have a question for anyone that might have the answer. I would like to know why there was full media at the state department when Obama and Biden came over and there was no media coverage when they went to the Pentagon?? Anybody got any ideas on this??

  200. It’s a long article so only the first part is posted here:

    From The Sunday TimesFebruary 1, 2009

    ‘Jimmy Carter’ tag has Obama wincing:

    Republicans are fighting back by branding the president as naive abroad and wasteful at home, like one of his party’s predecessors.

    LESS than two weeks into his administration, President Barack Obama is being portrayed by opponents as a new Jimmy Carter – weak at home and naive abroad – in an attempt to dim his post-election glow and ensure that he serves only one term.

    The charge has stung because it was made privately by Hillary Clinton supporters during a hard-fought primary campaign and plays to fears about Obama’s inexperience.

    He is engaged in early trials of strength with Republicans in Washington and critics of the United States around the world – not least Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president. Obama faces battles to talk Wall Street into giving up its addiction to large bonuses and US banks to start lending again.

    “Barack Obama thinks he can charm his adversaries into changing their ways but his personality can’t change the dynamics,” said Tom Edmonds, a Republican consultant.

    “Carter [president from 1977 to 1981] had the same belief in naive symbolism. Their styles are very different but the political similarities are there.”

    ……………………….

    remainder of article can be read here:

    timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5627534.ece

  201. wbboei 9:20 pm

    Yes, it is obvious that bullying him is the only thing that works (obviously it is the only thing he knows). McCain obviously knew that. His entire legislative record, which was handed to him in Illinois, and is none existant practically in the Senate, show no signs that he knows how to build these trusting relationships, and compromises, while still making sure he gets his major agenda accomplish.

    Immediately he is setting the tone of my way or I will bully and embarass you.

    So how do you think that works in the long run. Foes stay foes, and freind might turn to foes if they are strong enough.

    Richardson played that game in NM, and now that he is a very lame duck, people are standing up to him.

  202. # confloyd Says:
    January 31st, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    there was no media coverage when they went to the Pentagon?? Anybody got any ideas on this??
    —————————————————-
    Security issues. There is no public lounge or gathering place at the Pentwagon unless all have clearance.

  203. emjay, oh how the press practices to deceive the public. I would have guessed he wanted the world to know that he and Hillary are working together. However I did not realize the press could not get in to the pentagon. We are in for a wild ride with the innuendo’s that are out there!

  204. NMF

    How is ole’ Judas doing? Are people laughing right in front of him yet, or sniggering behind his back?

    Is he being disinvited to get-togethers, dinner parties?

    Wonder who he is going to watch the game with tomorrow?

  205. He is acting tough, as we have a mega million shortfall. However, he has made many foes in the past, and there are not cooperating anymore. They no longer function under a cloud of HE COULD BE PRESIDENT. In addition, he is being investigated. You almost can see the vultures around the Gov Mansion.

    However, he is a tough politician like Blag. In addition, he wants to somehow slip out of NM without being charge with anything, and move into that $1.2M home he has just purchased in DC.

    I only watch the news at night to see if they have anything on him.

  206. confloyd

    Bambam already goofed the military thing, saying earlier this week he was going to meet with the Joint Chiefs of Staff… bad protocal booboo.

    A new President’s *first* face to face with the military is with the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, currently Admiral Mike Mullen. After the Chairman’s initial visit to the WH, the Prez may then choose to go to the Pentwagon to meet the military branch Chiefs of Staff as a group, (the Joint Chiefs),… and the President will *always* meet with them as a group, unless one of them is being promoted to Chairman, at which time they will have a private meeting.

  207. NMF and all, I just accessed this video clip of Judas slinking away and not answering questoins about CDR. It makes me smile with satisfaction every time I see him squirm.
    Add hs and Ws:

    krqe.com/dpp/video/web_extras/webextra_krqe_santa_fe_richardson_ducks_questions_20081216

  208. Emjay and Confloyd, I got a glimpse of what I guess were celebrities talking about the Huckster. Jennifer Aniston is the only one that I recognized — tells you how much stock I put in those pretty faces [being from Ocala, I love love love the Travoltas!!! They have smarts and looks and talent, and a heart].
    Anyway as a recent book title says, they were ‘slobbering’ all over MO and BO. Insanely so, without thought as to what they were saying was sounding like to viewers like me. Sometimes I think I am living in a parallel universe because either these people are idots or……NO I am not!!!!
    Thank goodness for this site where we are all in the same parallel universe.

  209. Yes, it is obvious that bullying him is the only thing that works (obviously it is the only thing he knows). McCain obviously knew that. His entire legislative record, which was handed to him in Illinois, and is none existant practically in the Senate, show no signs that he knows how to build these trusting relationships, and compromises, while still making sure he gets his major agenda accomplish.

    Immediately he is setting the tone of my way or I will bully and embarass you.

    So how do you think that works in the long run. Foes stay foes, and freind might turn to foes if they are strong enough.
    ——————————————–
    It is a deadender strategy which will fail and eventually backfire.

    To sensible people he is no longer a black president but a president who happens to be black. The only thing that will save him is results. All he needs to do is fix the economy now. He is after all a Messiah.

  210. Emjay, I watched that clip of Hillary and Schultz, it certainly did not seem that they were going to talk about new construction/remodeling of the State dept. It looked to me like Hillary was serious and it looked like she had something she wanted to speak with Schultz about. I read up on him and he is an expert on central america. We all know Chavez is a threat, with his “George Bush is the devil”. I don’t like George Bush, but no one calls our President that on our own land. I understand some folks like Jimmy Carter have siddled up to Chavez and some in Hollywood as well as that “code Pink” lady. I have to tell you our next threat may be from the south and not the middle east. What do you think?? I am so thankfull Hillary is watching over us. Obama is just trying to manage to keep his job by hiring 3 law firms to keep him from being declared ineligible to be CIC.
    I heard that Obama shipped off Biden this week, where did he go??

  211. The Republicans are calling him Carteresque i.e. naive abroad and prolifigate spender at home. He winces and his supporters say do not underestimate him. Perhaps. But neither should we overestimate him as many have. Noonan is right in saying that plastering his mug everywhere is becoming counterproductive. Hell, he is a Lincoln man. Perhaps he should take heed of what Lincoln said which is essentially what I have been trying to say, namely that the only thing that matters is results and the proverbial ball is now in his court:

    “I do the very best I know how – the very best I can; and I mean to keep doing so until the end. If the end brings me out all right, what’s said against me won’t amount to anything. If the end brings me out wrong, ten angels swearing I was right would make no difference.”

    – Abraham Lincoln

    So now he can forget about all the manipulative bullshit. That short paragraph is the bottom line, whether he likes it or not.

  212. If y’all want to worry about Chavez, iirc there was an article posted here months ago quoting Chavez calling for the US to have a Constitutional Convention and re-work our Constitution.

  213. Obama is just trying to manage to keep his job by hiring 3 law firms to keep him from being declared ineligible to be CIC.
    ——————————–
    Confloyd within a year he will be hiring 6 lawfirms to refute them and prove that he is ineligible. He will be seeking an annulment. He has laid the groundwork masterfully by screwing up the first oath and performing the second without a Bible.

  214. wbboei, I wondered what you thought about the screwed up oath. I personally think it was set up that way. I just wonder why so many people in our government want him as POTUS at this time? So many people are in on the conspiracy to get him elected and then to keep him there, personally I think it has to do with the oil in Africa and I think Bush is involved!

  215. I think it has to do with the oil in Africa and I think Bush is involved!
    ——————————
    Makes sense. I have no idea how much oil is there and in what countries. The Economist Magazine would have those statistics. Certainly the global competition for oil will intensify in the next twenty years assuming we have not developed a suitable energy alternative. If that is the case then it is ironic since he is also in the hip pocket of the nuclear industry.

  216. wbboei, I read an article about Bush in Africa and how he is really liked there. There are big oil reserves there and Russia is trying to set up camp there before us. I have been reading about this for some months. Its all just another conspiracy for the rich to get richer. The rick no longer need the middle class to maintain the money, they need the poor nations workforce to do that for them, that why we are in this fix. This is why Obama needs his civilian army because there will be riots when this happens. Its happening in other parts of the world now. They are shipping in Pakistanis by the truck load in Brittain and the middle class is pist and causing problems.

  217. here is the link wbboei engdahl .oilg eopoli tics.net/ Geopolitics___Eurasia /Oil_in_Africa /oil_in_africa .html

  218. wbboei, if you read that link, it the column on the side it really explains the economic crisis we are headed for and it really explains why Bush has tried to control the oil and why Soros put in Obama to get the oil in Africa before China and Russia does. I knew it had to be about the oil as everything from 9/11 to date has been!

  219. If there is oil in Africa, and if American companies can control it, then it would give us a strategic advantage over China, and a hedge against the power of OPEC over our economy. But it is not clear to me that Obama is the key to it. Is it a tribal connection through his father? I originally saw Soros as the guy but I was told he is really a frontman for a british financial people. LR is the source. London is now competing with New York to become the financial center of the west so this is a substantial group equivalent to the Wall Street crowd. I am guessing.

  220. Here’s a description that imo fits Obama, though I don’t think the writer (Suzette Haden Elgin of GASD) was thinking of him; she seems to admire him.

    h…./ no w’s
    ozarque.livejournal.com/562089.html
    Scroll down to
    And then there’s the problem of the Phony Leveler.

  221. Apparently the oil in Africa is more pure than it is in the middleeast. It is easier to refine=more$ for oil companies. It is located offshore, so the threat of coup and uprising is non-existant=more$for oil companies. It is easier to load on super tankers and is easily shipped to Louisiana=more $ for oil companies. It also is not controlled by OPEC which means cheaper for us. They really are not sure how much is in Africa because no one has bothered to look, the oil companies has known about African oil since 1974, but it was easier to deal with OPEC at the time.
    Obama is the Third Term of BUSH!

    The bankers that we just bailed out, have been filling jobs with HB1 visa people and laying off American workers according to an AP story. Its all about screwing the middle class and making them pay thru the nose for it! I think they want to get rid of Social Security and this is the best way to do, bankrupt America, right up Bush III’s alley!

  222. Good super bowl morning all:
    I am so pleased to see so many on on this site so well schooled about what is going on in world politics and the cause and effects of this dangerous new administration.This all takes me back to the late 20’s and the 30’s.There was very little in the way of news other than paper and transatlantic cable.Radios were battery operated and very few if any local stations.I had constructed a crystal set using a mothers oats box as a coil with the tiny piece of galena as the crystal.KDKA was just emerging and I was hooked on news.My parents would sit and discuss the serious activities in europe with civil unrest but kept in check by fear,threats and ethnic political cleansing.My desire for knowledge kept me interested with very little sources for news.Adolph,Mussolini and their alliance made certain that there was no unfavorable criticism passed on to the masses.The sleeping giant russia came alive with the brutal reign of Stalin and at that point they reeked havoc on their own people.We are entering the same situation today albeit more sophisticated and fired by the fuels of greed.Power,money,political positions for sale and control of our limited assets necessary to sustain our economy are being imposed by a new rich and powerful group of vultures and their appointed front leaders.Today the mania for the Super Bowl is OK to give us a few hours of relief from politics,
    Tomorrow is the first day of the rest of our lives so let us get to work and clean out the malignancy that has beset our country and start the return of our country to the people that made it what it was before 911.We all only get one time around in life and we must use it wisely,honestley,gently and clean for our future generations.

    BY ABM90 Hillary is the right person at the right time to carry out this mission to “CLEAN HOUSE”

  223. Hi all

    I see on the Yahoo page banks sought out foreign workers. Not a surprise to me. If you had to call the bank for information. You will get someone from another country. I called my bank one day, the woman i spoke with i could not understand her. I asked her what country i was calling, she said India.

    It’s not only the banks. It is the phone companies also.

    I am doing taxes now. I asked this person if everything was the same as last year. She said yes, except she is now unemployed. Her company moved to Mexico. I asked her if she could have gone with the company. She said they were not taking anyone, they were going to hire Mexican workers.

    Another O supporter.
    she stated t

  224. Daschle Delayed Revealing Tax Glitch:

    Tom Daschle waited nearly a month after being nominated to be Secretary of Health and Human Services before informing Barack Obama that he had not paid years of back taxes for the use of a car and driver provided by a wealthy New York investor.

    The ex-senator, one of Obama’s earliest and most ardent campaign supporters, paid $140,000 to the U.S. Treasury on Jan. 2 and about two days later informed the White House and the Senate Finance Committee, according to an account confirmed by the Obama administration. (Larry Downing/Reuters)

    washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/politics/

  225. neetabug Says:

    February 1st, 2009 at 9:37 am

    “I asked her if she could have gone with the company. She said they were not taking anyone, they were going to hire Mexican workers.”

    ——————————-

    I bet Lou Dobbs would have a field day with that comment.

  226. JanH

    They don’t relocate their workers in the US. Intel has many stories posted online of people layed off at other Intel Plants, who have applied for similar positions in US Intel plants, and no one even bothers to call them back. Why? Because they would have to move them. We don’t want to do that for a US citizen who has been loyal to the company. Of course Intel was building a China plant. I think the earthquake damaged it, so I am not sure the status of the plant now.

    Many US companies don’t want to take care of their workers anymore, and many of them are laying them off before they are eligible for retirement so they don’t have the obligations.

    Of course that is not true of all companies. A friend of mine was just hired by Honeywell, and they moved them.

    Europe has huge Union representation. So I am not sure how it is working there.

  227. ABM90 Says:

    February 1st, 2009 at 7:57 am
    ———————————–

    The sleeping giant russia came alive with the brutal reign of Stalin and at that point they reeked havoc on their own people.We are entering the same situation today albeit more sophisticated and fired by the fuels of greed.Power,money,political positions for sale and control of our limited assets necessary to sustain our economy are being imposed by a new rich and powerful group of vultures and their appointed front leaders.

    ———————————-

    Well said! My grandparents escaped Russia, the pogroms, and the czar’s rule. They left family behind. Their stories were gruesome, with letters arriving to us with thick black lines of felt pen crossing out three quarters of the content.

    The rioting in Europe and Russia today remind me so much of the Russian Revolution, the cold war, etc…

  228. I also heard about someone in Louisville KY who’s company was moving to PA. They decided to contract out the positon this person was working, long distance, like GA or FL. When the few workers asked who were within 5 years of retirement, if they could be contracted out until they reached full retirement they were flatly refused, even though they would have cost less than the contracted source.

    American Corporations really take care of their own, don’t they.

  229. “Many US companies don’t want to take care of their workers anymore, and many of them are laying them off before they are eligible for retirement so they don’t have the obligations.”

    ——————————

    How immoral. How sad.

  230. Then what?

    ——————

    # wbboei Says:
    February 1st, 2009 at 1:30 am

    Obama is just trying to manage to keep his job by hiring 3 law firms to keep him from being declared ineligible to be CIC.
    ——————————–
    Confloyd within a year he will be hiring 6 lawfirms to refute them and prove that he is ineligible. He will be seeking an annulment. He has laid the groundwork masterfully by screwing up the first oath and performing the second without a Bible.

  231. Samantha Power is senior WH adviser for multi-lateral affairs at NSC (this position requires travel with the SoS). She is going to spy on Clinton for Obama. So all pro-Palestine in NSC (and UN Amb) and Hillary at SoS. I have my misgivings about what the hell he is up to. I hope he just tucked away all those silly women in the WH to keep them quiet.

  232. NYT media trying to spin that Hillary’s powers have been cut back, i.e. envoy to Middle East, envoy to Iran and area.

    Saying that she is trying to focus on what is left…China.

    —————————-

    Stupid idiots.

  233. NMF,

    I don’t think they have any sources. They just love to poke needles in their Hillary voodoo dolls and go from there.

  234. JanH

    So our news media has disentagrated into gossip and their own prejidical opinions. Unfortunately there are people who watch it faithfully still, and believe it.

  235. Well, Holbrooke called Hillary his new boss at the intro ceremony in the State Dept. NYT must have missed that. They also missed how she had been asking the Bush admin for the last two or so years to appoint an envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan. If they do their work they may actually learn something.

  236. NMF and pm317,

    Exactly! The media is going to look ridiculous with their constant “sky is falling” predictions. Hillary can run circles around them, and she will.

  237. I think the assessment above is accurate. Big media is being frozen out of the critical discussions. They will be informed when those decisions are made. They are given morsels but that is it. They are not the partners in this administration they thought they would be. They are resorting to unsubstantiated rumors and Clinton hate because they have no idea what is really going on. In military parleyance they have shit in their messkit.

  238. NYT media trying to spin that Hillary’s powers have been cut back, i.e. envoy to Middle East, envoy to Iran and area.

    Saying that she is trying to focus on what is left…China.

    —————————-

    Stupid idiots.

    ———————

    What a terrible misreading of what has happened. Far from limiting her power these envoys-whom she chose multiply it.

    It is getting to the point where big media sees everything that happens in the world through the prism of clinton hate.

    To say they are biased is an undertatement. They are floridly delusional. Propaganda is not news.

  239. This reminds me of when I lived in Europe. We had the Stars and Strips and the Paris Tribune to read. The differences in reporting was amazing. The SS had every violent crime recorded in the States, and the Tribune were looking at things in a European point of view. That was my first realization that the media can really slant the view.

  240. Then what?

    ——————

    # wbboei Says:
    February 1st, 2009 at 1:30 am

    Obama is just trying to manage to keep his job by hiring 3 law firms to keep him from being declared ineligible to be CIC.
    ——————————–
    Confloyd within a year he will be hiring 6 lawfirms to refute them and prove that he is ineligible. He will be seeking an annulment. He has laid the groundwork masterfully by screwing up the first oath and performing the second without a Bible.
    ————————
    Paradise Lost.

  241. From times.com:

    Sunday, February 1, 2009 at 8:25 am

    The Real Daschle Problem:

    Posted by Karen Tumulty

    Today’s stories–reporting that Tom Daschle knew about his tax problem as far back as last June, but didn’t tell the Obama transition team about it until last month–are in many ways more damaging, I think, than the initial reports.:

    Although Daschle had known since June 2008 that he needed to correct his tax returns, he never expected the amount to be such a “jaw-dropping” sum and “thought it was being taken care of” by his accountant, spokeswoman Jenny Backus said.
    Just who are these accountants, anyway? Why don’t we ever hear from them?

    Today’s reports also shed more light on a common practice here in DC, where former members of Congress collect millions of dollars from special interest groups, accepting lucrative speaking engagements and offering them advice, without having to register as a “lobbyist.”:

    The Health Industry Distributors Association, a trade association representing medical product distributors, wrote to Daschle last week to express concerns about proposed Medicare changes and reminded him of the $14,000 speech he delivered at its conference last year.

    “As you may recall from speaking to some of our members during HIDA’s 2008 Executive Conference in Miami, where you were the keynote speaker, a competitive bidding program will undermine access to quality care for millions of beneficiaries,” said the letter, which was posted on the group’s Web site.
    One of our own commenters, Shepherdwong, summed up the real issue here, in a comment he wrote yesterday to an earlier post:

    If you want to be outraged, it should be at the entire class oligarchy we have constructed, where most of our leaders haven’t a clue how the other 99.9% of us think and live, and they’re working full time every day trying to suck down a fire hose of money and perks. I believe that basic disconnect explains much of the sh*tstorm we’re experiencing, whether from government, industry or the corporate media. These folks live in a complete bubble and you would be shocked to discover how clueless they are on a whole host of “real life” matters. And, it’s easy to understand why: the rules for the rest of us literally don’t apply to them.

    I couldn’t have put it better myself.

    swampland.blogs.time.com/

  242. This reminds me of when I lived in Europe. We had the Stars and Strips and the Paris Tribune to read. The differences in reporting was amazing. The SS had every violent crime recorded in the States, and the Tribune were looking at things in a European point of view. That was my first realization that the media can really slant the view.
    —————————
    You get the same sense if you read a cosmopolitan magazine like The Economist with a roll of toilet paper like Newsweek. People like Johanathan Alter and Margaret Carlson would never appear in the Economist becasuse they are substandard reporters who miss half the story and substitute snarky opinion for hard facts yet they flourish at Newsweek because the editorial staff are no better.

    Paddyforhill said it here nearly a year ago that every news organization has a bias but with Big Media in this country it is distinctly nihilitic and it permeates everything they say and do.

  243. wwboei, yes, Totally agree with your analysis.

    On the too close a relationship with contractors. I know a friend who told me they were DOD government employees, and they could not ride in the rental car of their contractor, even though it was the governemnt paying for the car. The strict rules only seem to be for others and not those at the top.

    There has also been some changes in the medical community lately, in that all of the freebees they were giving out has started to be curtailed and monitored (at least with the larger organziations).

    The elected officials need a refresher on keeping a large distance from the corporate community which has a vested interest in infuencing them, and asking for favors. (I think that is called ETHICS.)

  244. They are just bitter negative people. And they are encouraged to be that way by their editors who are in turn encouraged to be that way by their executives who are in turn encouraged to be that way by the business interests who control them. They corrupt their audiences and have no regard for the truth. I could never be a jouranlist at a place like Newsweek (nor I suspect would they have me). It would be too hard to look myself in the mirror when I shaved. I had this very conversation with a Baltimore Sun reporter on the campaign trail in West Virginia. He believed that the reporters were fair and unbiased and their editorial staff was not controlling. Even for a young man he was very naive.

  245. “People like Johanathan Alter and Margaret Carlson would never appear in the Economist becasuse they are substandard reporters who miss half the story and substitute snarky opinion for hard facts yet they flourish at Newsweek because the editorial staff are no better.”

    ———————-

    Amen! And unfortunately the list continues to grow. These wannabe media stars have damaged their reputations beyond compare.

  246. I think in the last five years, a photographer was fired for altering a photo. So people altering the facts of a story is OK??? It is difficult to understand what ethics they use in their organizations when you see such diverse treatment.

  247. wbboei, it was a serious question, “then what? when he wants an annulment”

    He may want an annulment in his first year but the marriage will be painful for the Obama minions until wise people can get rid of him after his first term. He does not care. He got his historical (non-)accomplishment and he is set for life without doing any meaningful work for the rest of it just as he was until now. Wow, what a life!

    Something else I didn’t see on this board or I missed it. He said in his Al-Arabiya interview something about Americans need to respect Muslim more. Why is everybody taking this affront from him? Since when was America intolerant of Muslims? For him to distort American secular outlook in this self-indulgent way should have got a lot more attention. Having been silent, America has accepted that distorted characterization from their leader and for what?

  248. Layoffs exponentially worse than in early 1980’s. Remember when Bethlehem Steel had masssive layoffs here in SE TX – workers wrapped around buildings with pink slips – thirty-forty years service and laid off just before retirement. No visuals now of layoffs with unemployment handled electronically via telephone and computers. Then was the beginning of the outsourcing that would gut the United States of work ethic, American Dream, working hard and playing by the rules. Happened under Reagan’s watch – “Ripublicans” and “Dimocrats” always saying what Middle America wants to hear – all the while selling their sould to the Devil. Same song…second verse…

    Been in a Barnes & Noble lately and noticed all the “survivalist” books? Hey – after IL Dim “slipped in” HR 45 on Jan 6th – two full weeks before Coronation – introducing legislation requiring federal firearm registration, the saying “prying it from my cold dead hands” suddenly takes on a whole new meaning. Folks not happy back in the Deep East Piney Woods of Texas, I can tell you for sure. Did someone say “Deliverance?” Many hunters, descendants of Native Americans – instincts razor-sharp, or proud Scotch-Irish, who founded this country in the first place, determined to beat the system at their own game. Seriously.

  249. If you want to be outraged, it should be at the entire class oligarchy we have constructed, where most of our leaders haven’t a clue how the other 99.9% of us think and live, and they’re working full time every day trying to suck down a fire hose of money and perks. I believe that basic disconnect explains much of the sh*tstorm we’re experiencing, whether from government, industry or the corporate media. These folks live in a complete bubble and you would be shocked to discover how clueless they are on a whole host of “real life” matters. And, it’s easy to understand why: the rules for the rest of us literally don’t apply to them.
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    Thank you so much Ms Karen Tumelty, thank you so much. Now tell me how you and your compadres in the media are any different. You are part and parcle of the exact same problem. Dont go faux populist on me now.

    If you read Jack Welch’s book winning he talks about the resistance he encountered from certain NBC executives who had the audacity to question whether GE could manage a news organization.

    So the little Boston Irish prick fired them and brought in his own goons to run the business. Shortly thereafter we had the Dateline embarrassment where they rigged a GM truck to explode to create an interesting story and got their asses sued.

    But the critics were right. How do you take a profession like journalism and superimpose the industrial engineering template of general electric on it without losing the essence of what makes journalism what it is–a search for truth.

    What you end up doing is reverse engineering the process. You say this is the audience we would like to attract for our sponors, and this is the narrative that will appeal to their biases and we will censor and conflate the news to conform to that narrative–until your whole operation becomes at length a propaganda mill which distorts reality for the sake of profit–or so you hope.

    You do reach a point, however, where your agenda becomes so transparent that your opinions are widely discounted. An accountant might advise you that the good will of the media organization is its largest asset, since what you are ultimately selling is an intangible. In effect you are liquidating an asset you should be preserving and living off the interest.

    I will be interested to read the book Emjay refers to about investigative journalism. The people I know who have a multi generational commitment to the media and were world class at it tell me that investigative journalism is dead. They tell me it cannot survive the 24 hour news cycle and the productivity modelling of people like Jack Welch.

    More specifically, they tell me that good investigative journalism takes weeks and sometimes months and sometimes when you get to the end of the trail you run into a deadend or cannot connect dots or cannot corroborate sources. In which case all that effort and potential revenue is lost. From an industrial engineering standpoint that is unacceptable. However, from the standpoint of truth and not injuring people reputations it is necessary.

    Ben Bradley today is in his 90s and is reportedly under the spell of an opinionated gold digger who hates all things Clinton because Bill would not give her the time of day. But in his prime, and despite his fascination with the Kennedys he is a paradigmatic example of what an editor should be and he way he managed Woodward and Bernstein so they did not go off half cocked is an object lesson in what a media editor should do. Alas, it is all forgotten now. When I look at that ratface who runs AP today I shudder.

  250. woebbi,

    Karen Tumelty and the likes of her continue to measure anyone who isn’t Obama by a different yardstick of values. What she said was true, but unless applied across the board…well it smacks of hypocrisy.

  251. Someone here asked where Biden was last week.

    Made fun of Justice Roberts- had to call him and apologize.

    Swore in a bunch of agency appointments and appointed House/Senate appointees.

    Tried to get ready for his newest, very important make work appointment- the.. Ta Da.. “Middle Class Working Families Task Force” (Gag)

    Bought some european looking clothes so when he goes to Munich next Wednesday and puts his arm around Merickl’s shoulder or whispers in her ear, she will wait to bloody his nose until they are out of camera range- cause she won’t want to mess up his brand new suit and shirt.

    Watch euro papers for how he goes over, over there.

  252. wbboei, it was a serious question, “then what? when he wants an annulment”

    He may want an annulment in his first year but the marriage will be painful for the Obama minions until wise people can get rid of him after his first term. He does not care. He got his historical (non-)accomplishment and he is set for life without doing any meaningful work for the rest of it just as he was until now. Wow, what a life!
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    PM you have answered your own question the same way I would. I was talking to an ex Marine the other day and he remarked at how scared Mr. Obama looked after he received the CIA briefing a few months back. That may have been the first time Mr Obama felt a sense of buyers remorse but it will definitely not be the last. One would hope that if worst comes to worst the country will learn its lesson that experience and problemsolving trump hope change rhetoric and who else is there in the party with those credentials by our girl. Big media will fight it at that point but we need to call them for what they are namely traitors to our country. If past is prologue they will give us that opening. The foreign press is where we need to refute them.

  253. Bought some european looking clothes so when he goes to Munich next Wednesday and puts his arm around Merickl’s shoulder or whispers in her ear, she will wait to bloody his nose until they are out of camera range- cause she won’t want to mess up his brand new suit and shirt
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    He went to Saville Row and they shut the blinds and turned out the lights when they saw him coming. So they schlepped him to the edge of the Black Forrest to a small shop where he purchased a white shirt, a pokeadot vest, a pair of matching shorts, a swiss hat with an ostrich feather, a walking stick and a walkman playing the tune the happy wanderer ad naseum. Now he is seen walking from town to town along the German country side stopping at a tavern or two along the way and dispensing worldly wisdom to German peasants.

  254. # pm317 Says:
    February 1st, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Something else I didn’t see on this board or I missed it. He [BHO] said in his Al-Arabiya interview something about Americans need to respect Muslim more. Why is everybody taking this affront from him? Since when was America intolerant of Muslims? For him to distort American secular outlook in this self-indulgent way should have got a lot more attention. Having been silent, America has accepted that distorted characterization from their leader and for what?
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    Not everyone took it lying down. This was posted either Fri or Thurs.
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    A full and forceful pushback response
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    Outreach, Yes. Apology, No.
    We’ve Never Been Islam’s Enemy

    By Charles Krauthammer
    Friday, January 30, 2009; Page A19

    Every new president flatters himself that he, kinder and gentler, is beginning the world anew. Yet, when Barack Obama in his inaugural address reached out to Muslims by saying “to the Muslim world, we seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect,” his formulation was needlessly defensive and apologetic.

    Is it “new” to acknowledge Muslim interests and show respect to the Muslim world? Obama doesn’t just think so, he said so again to millions in his al-Arabiya interview, insisting on the need to “restore” the “same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago.”

    Astonishing. In these most recent 20 years — the alleged winter of our disrespect of the Islamic world — America did not just respect Muslims, it bled for them. It engaged in five military campaigns, every one of which involved — and resulted in — the liberation of a Muslim people: Bosnia, Kosovo, Kuwait, Afghanistan and Iraq.

    The two Balkan interventions — as well as the failed 1992-93 Somalia intervention to feed starving African Muslims (43 Americans were killed) — were humanitarian exercises of the highest order, there being no significant U.S. strategic interest at stake. In these 20 years, this nation has done more for suffering and oppressed Muslims than any nation, Muslim or non-Muslim, anywhere on Earth. Why are we apologizing?
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    And what of that happy U.S.-Muslim relationship that Obama imagines existed “as recently as 20 or 30 years ago” that he has now come to restore? Thirty years ago, 1979, saw the greatest U.S.-Muslim rupture in our 233-year history: Iran’s radical Islamic revolution, the seizure of the U.S. Embassy, the 14 months of America held hostage.

    Which came just a few years after the Arab oil embargo that sent the United States into a long and punishing recession. Which, in turn, was preceded by the kidnapping and cold-blooded execution by Arab terrorists of the U.S. ambassador in Sudan and his chargé d’affaires.

    This is to say nothing of the Marine barracks massacre of 1983, and the innumerable attacks on U.S. embassies and installations around the world during what Obama now characterizes as the halcyon days of U.S.-Islamic relations.

    Look. If Barack Obama wants to say, as he said to al-Arabiya, I have Muslim roots, Muslim family members, have lived in a Muslim country — implying a special affinity that uniquely positions him to establish good relations — that’s fine. But it is both false and deeply injurious to this country to draw a historical line dividing America under Obama from a benighted past when Islam was supposedly disrespected and demonized.

    As in Obama’s grand admonition: “We cannot paint with a broad brush a faith as a consequence of the violence that is done in that faith’s name.” Have “we” been doing that, smearing Islam because of a small minority? George W. Bush went to the Islamic Center in Washington six days after the Sept. 11 attacks, when the fires of Ground Zero were still smoldering, to declare “Islam is peace,” to extend fellowship and friendship to Muslims, to insist that Americans treat them with respect and generosity of spirit.

    And America listened. In these seven years since Sept. 11 — seven years during which thousands of Muslims rioted all over the world (resulting in the death of more than 100) to avenge a bunch of cartoons — there’s not been a single anti-Muslim riot in the United States to avenge the massacre of 3,000 innocents. On the contrary. In its aftermath, we elected our first Muslim member of Congress and our first president of Muslim parentage.

    “My job,” says Obama, “is to communicate to the American people that the Muslim world is filled with extraordinary people who simply want to live their lives and see their children live better lives.” That’s his job? Do the American people think otherwise? Does he think he is bravely breaking new ground? George Bush, Condoleezza Rice and countless other leaders offered myriad expressions of that same universalist sentiment.

    Every president has the right to portray himself as ushering in a new era of this or that. Obama wants to pursue new ties with Muslim nations, drawing on his own identity and associations. Good. But when his self-inflation as redeemer of U.S.-Muslim relations leads him to suggest that pre-Obama America was disrespectful or insensitive or uncaring of Muslims, he is engaging not just in fiction but in gratuitous disparagement of the country he is now privileged to lead.

    Iran has already responded to the Obama overture. In perfect tune with Obama’s defensiveness, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared that better relations might be possible — after America apologized for 60 years of crimes against Iran. Note the 60 years. The mullahs are as mystified by Obama’s pre-1979 (or 1989) good old days as I am.

    letters@charleskrauthammer.com

  255. emjay, Krauthammer is a faulty messenger — Obama minions can easily pounce on him and diminish the outrageous, where are the others? We need the MSM to talk about this but you know how it goes with them. This is a serious breach of American secular outlook by none other than their own President. What is more shameful is that he is doing it to prop himself up as a savior. All this will come back and haunt this country.

  256. Greenwald has “nice thing” to say about Daschle:

    “In Washington there are whores and there are whores, and then there is Tom Daschle. Tom Daschle would suck off a corpse for a cheeseburger. True, he is probably only the second-biggest whore for the health care industry in American politics — the biggest being doctor/cat-torturer Bill Frist,”
    (snip)
    “But there’s no need to withhold judgment on Daschle himself. He embodies everything that is sleazy, sickly, and soul-less about Washington. It’s probably impossible for Obama to fill his cabinet with individuals entirely free of Beltway filth — it’s extremely rare to get anywhere near that system without being infected by it — but Daschle oozes Beltway slime from every pore.”

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/02/01/daschle/index.html

  257. SHV, could you please put that up in our new article comments. The Daschle comment fits right in with our article.

  258. emjay,

    obama has to emasculate America of any and all positives so that he can lead the way to it’s rebirth. It was the same when he and michelle attacked Hillary for being racist among other things.

    Apologism. Country denigration. All so that he can rise as it’s savior at the expense of the rest of you.

  259. JanH Says:


    washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/politics/
    Daschle Delayed Revealing Tax Glitch:
    Tom Daschle …had not paid years of back taxes for the use of a car and driver provided by a wealthy New York investor.

    The ex-senator, one of Obama’s earliest and most ardent campaign supporters

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    Talley-ho!

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