The Emerging Coalition Against Barack Obama’s Flim-Flam Stimulus Bill

There is an emerging coalition (first mentioned HERE) against the Barack Obama flim-flam stimulus bill. This emerging coalition has had one significant victory already. Don’t forget these numbers: 270-155 and 244-199 (we’ll explain below). Tonight the House of Representatives will have the first of several key votes. Meanwhile real Democrats and real progressives who oppose Barack Obama’s flim-flam stimulus bill are falling into a trap.

Today we discuss further the emerging coalition against Barack Obama’s flim-flam stimulus bill and the significant victory already achieved by that coalition. We’ll also discuss the trap real Democrats and real progressives are falling into. But first we will provide a glimpse of our future discussions against the Barack Obama flim-flam stimulus bill.

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We believe that history is a teacher. We also believe that when analyzing policy we should look to first principles. We further believe that when analyzing a Barack Obama proposal we should look to first principles.

First Principles about Barack Obama and any Barack Obama proposal:

Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

This “Obama can’t be trusted” principle when ignored leads to traps. Many real Democrats and real progressives are falling into an Obama trap when discussing the flim-flam “stimulus” bill.

The Obama trap is to get us to argue and debate the details of his flim-flammery instead of focusing on the fact that the whole concept and execution is a flim-flam. Real Democrats and real progressives are falling into a trap when they object to the “shiny objects” such as the contraception sub-flim-flam for instance, and forget first principles.

The trap is prolonged discussion of the obvious failure of the Obama post-partisan nonsense as well as prolonged discussion of specific items in the Obam flim-flam “stimulus” bill. Obama wants to distract us with discussions of his meetings with Republicans and what the Republicans say or want and how the Republicans will or will not vote for the flim-flammery. Obama wants to distrct us with discussions of who is getting what – that is why Obama and his flim-flammers will have a website wherein a zipcode can be entered and all the money that zip code area will receive is detailed. Obama wants to shift the argument from the wisdom of the “stimulus” bill, to “what am I gonna get?”. It’s a flim-flam and we should not fall into the trap.

We’ll discuss the nuts and bolts problems with the Barack Obama flim-flam stimulus bill in days to come as the pivotal votes in the U.S. Senate approach. For now, there are certain economic first principles we are looking at.

We accept, as should all or most common sense Americans, that the proper response by government to recessions is cuts in interest rates, increased spending and possibly tax cuts. Interest rates are so low at the moment that they are irrelevant to the discussion. Tax cuts are a dubious tool. We are left with increased government spending as the logical tool to soften recession.

Notice, we wrote “soften” recession, not end recession. Recessions are part of the economic cycle. Recessions are painful. But recessions are useful.

Recessions are part of the economic cycle. Our lives have cycles. Our lives are not always rosy. It is during the downturns in our lives that we learn. It is during the downturns in our lives that we resolve to do this or that, or never again do this or that. We learn the most during the downturns in our lives.

In the downturn phase of the economic cycle – recession – we also learn a great deal. We learn what economic practices we need and which economic practices we don’t need. In our personal economic lives, we learn what services we need as opposed to what services we want, as well as what products we need as opposed to what products we merely want. In downturns we re-learn that nutricious food we need, expensive chocolates we merely want.

During recessions therefore the economy discards companies and investments that are not profitable. Well run business which provide good products or services survive the economic downturns. These “creative destruction” principles of capitalism were described by Joseph Schumpeter.

As stated earlier, we will discuss recessions and “creative destruction” in future articles in opposition to the Barack Obama flim-flam stimulus bill. We’ll discuss Alice Rivlin. We’ll discuss the first principles danger of inflation when trillions of dollars are dumped into an economy. We’ll discuss the weakened dollar if the flim-flam stimulus bill passes.

Today, we want to discuss the emerging coalition and a big victory which was achieved but rarely discussed because too many are falling into the Obama -focus on the shiny object – trap.

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The Barack Obama flim-flam “stimulus” bill will get the first of several key votes tonight in the House of Representatives. The Barack Obama flim-flam “stimulus” bill will get a vote because House Dimocrats have dumped “pay as you go” rules for spending. But there is a big victory on the pay-as-you-go economic responsibility doctrine which will in future impair Barack Obama’s flim-flams and hare-brained schemes:

House Democrats won a key procedural vote Tuesday on the stimulus after a last-minute promise from the Obama administration to return to “pay-as-you-go” budget rules after the stimulus is approved.

In a 224-199 vote, the House approved a resolution allowing the stimulus bill to come to the floor for debate. Twenty-seven Democrats – 24 of them members of the conservative Blue Dog Coalition – bucked their leadership and voted against the measure.

The vote of 224-199 is impressive. Remember that other number – 270-155 (we wrote about it HERE)? That was the vote total when the House rejected the Obama TARP crap. We wrote at the time: Consider: the bailout bill was the #1 priority of Barack Obama and Obama lobbied relentlessly for the money and yet the House of Representatives with all those newly elected Democrats overwhelmingly told Obama to shove… er… off.

The latest vote of 224-199 is yet another big slap at Obama’s face from the House of Representatives and foreshadows future victory for the emerging NObama coalition:

But according to Democratic leadership sources, the number was almost much higher – and could have been high enough to hand the Republicans a monumental victory – had it not been for a letter from President Obama’s budget director Peter Orszag.

The letter addressed to House Appropriations Committee Chairman David promised to return to “pay-as-you-go budgeting,” and stressed that the stimulus was an “extraordinary response to an extraordinary process” and thus subject to different rules. [snip]

“Moving forward, we need to return to the fiscal responsibility and pay-as-you-go budgeting that we had in the 1990’s for all non-emergency measures,” Orszag continued. “The President and his economic team look forward to working with the Congress to develop budget enforcement rules that are based on the tools that helped create the surpluses of a decade ago.

Watch out emerging NObama coalition: Obama will promise to return to pay-as-you-go budgeting but his caveat is “for all non-emergency measures”. The Obama flim-flam will be to declare everything an emergency measure.

The Obama letter is a flim-flam but nevertheless a major victory for the Emerging NObama Coalition.

Though addressed to Obey, Democratic sources said copies of the letter were distributed in a last minute flurry to Blue Dogs, many of whom were already on the floor and ready to cast their votes. The centrist group already was ruffled by the fact the package included far more spending than Obama had called for, and were prepared to vote as a block against the resolution, Democratic sources said.

If eight more of the 52-member Blue Dogs had voted against the resolution, it would have been defeated, ending any hope that Democratic leaders had of passing – or even finishing debate on – the stimulus bill this week.

Blue Dog Co-Chair Charlie Melancon (D-La.) said sweet words but Barack Obama has to know that Melancon and others are aware of his flim-flammery.

“In his letter, Dr. Orszag’s reference to restoring the pay-as-you-go requirements we had in place in the 1990’s is a clear and direct signal that President Obama is willing to make the tough decisions necessary to put our country back on a path to fiscal responsibility,” Melancon said after voting for the resolution. “After years of reckless deficit spending, the members of the Blue Dog Coalition are very encouraged to see that our new administration is serious about bringing responsibility and accountability to the federal government.” [snip]

Many of them were weighing their consciences against a pledge they had received from Obama and their leaders in the House to enact statutory pay-go in the coming weeks and work toward a tangible entitlement and long-term spending and budgeting reform proposal.

But many, too, were aghast at some of the spending proposals that were added during House committee markups, including language to fund a re-sodding of the National Mall.

The emerging coalition against Barack Obama’s flim-flam stimulus bill must not get distracted. Real Democrats and real progressives must not get distracted.

Obama wants to get us all fighting against each other: ‘State X is getting more than State Z. This proposal is getting cut and that proposal is getting added – that’s not fair.” We will avoid these distractions.

The Barack Obama flim-flam “stimulus” bill is not an economic bill but rather a political bill designed to prevent Dimocratic election losses in 2010 – at the cost of huge yearly deficits, massive inflation, and a looting of the economy for Obama friends and donors.

The Barack Obama flim-flam “stimulus” bill is a make work bill, not a jobs bill.

The Barack Obama flim-flam “stimulus” bill has a strong possibility of passing but there is a slight chance to defeat it.

The defeat of the Barack Obama flim-flam “stimulus” bill will benefit the United States and weaken the flim-flam politics of Barack Obama.

The fight continues.

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179 thoughts on “The Emerging Coalition Against Barack Obama’s Flim-Flam Stimulus Bill

  1. The thing about DC now versus DC last month- it’s still the same flim-flam artists giving away freebies to their friends that bankrolled their campaigns. It is a farce the way the stimulus process is being railroaded. No amendments, no committee review. It’s worse than Bush….because the Dems are doing it while all the while knowing better.

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  3. Meanwhile our Hillary is taking the World by storm!

    Read how many issues she is juggling in the air all at one time!

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  4. Are there any good articles from economists on why this is a bad bill? I know that Keynes was after Roosevelt the whole way through the depression to just spend more money to lift us out. Of course, Keynes was proved right when WWII spending brought the depression to an end.

    Just askin…..

  5. Great essay and discussion at The New Agenda today.

    A smart, independent, vibrant, self-made, non-deferential, and attractive woman who is forthright and ambitious ends up being called a “bitch.” …. Alternatively, she may end up labeled a “bimbo.”

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  6. Basement Angel, as this article and the other articles we have written about the “stimulus” bill states, increased spending by government is now orthodox economics. The concept of increased spending to fight recession is sound. Your historical example is apt.

    The problem which we will detail in future articles on the economy and the “stimulus” bill is that the situation we are in right now is different than during Roosevelt’s time.

    As a quick example, Roosevelt did not face the deficits and the huge obligations the nation does now. Since December the Fed has simply printed hundreds of billions of dollars and dumped them into the economy. Since December the Congress has appropriated hundreds of billions in new expenditures. Since December the federal government has taken on massive new, and potentially dangerous, obligations. For instance the FDIC insurance for bank accounts used to be up to $100,000. Now the obligation is $200,000 per account.

    The nation’s 2 largest banks are in danger. Citigroup and Bank of America are not exactly stable. What happens if these banks fail to the deficit? What happens if a terrorist attack or a natural disaster strike?

    Alice Rivlin among others is warning that inflation is a danger as is a weakened dollar. Massive spending is followed by massive inflation – that too is orthodox economics – but no one other than us and Alice Rivlin will address this issue.

    Increased spending targeted towards fixing the economy are good. Politically motivated spending which does not allow for the “creative destruction” of bad companies and practices is bad.

    Just sayin’….

    We will publish a lot of articles on this situation.

  7. Admin,

    Excellent beginning! I look forward to your further exposure of this fraud’s joke of a stimulus bill.

  8. No house Republican voted for the bill. Bipartisan is off to a “good” start. I hate the rush to get this bill passed.

  9. And didn’t Citygroup just come under heat for wanting to spend it’s government money take for the likes of a new executive jet?

    I understand that heavy pressure resulted in them backing down on the purchase.

    With stupid fiscal decision making like this, even with another influx of money, will probably result in more stupidity.

  10. JanH Says:

    January 28th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
    And didn’t Citygroup just come under heat for wanting to spend it’s government money take for the likes of a new executive jet?

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    50 million dollars worth.

  11. Tonight’s Poll on Lou Dobbs:

    “A president that mimics President Bush with fearmongering to pass legislation, a Congress that doesn’t read legislation and a deep partisan divide. Do you believe this is change?”

    loudobbs.tv.cnn.com/

  12. So if no Republicans vote for this stimulus legislation, does this mean that when it gets passed and achieves absolutely nothing that obama and the dims will be the only ones held responsible? Or will obama throw someone else under the bus?

    Robert Zimmerman was suggesting on Lou Dobbs that it will be much more difficult to get this passed through the senate.

    Do I hear the first of many presidential vetos in the works?

  13. ADMIN says:

    Increased spending targeted towards fixing the economy are good. Politically motivated spending which does not allow for the “creative destruction” of bad companies and practices is bad.

    Just sayin’….

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    bingo!

  14. btw…wolf blitzer ‘spanked’ carter tonight during ‘the situation room’ as usual carter was trying to critcize Bill Clinton and Wolf pushed back hard and shut him up…carter was left with eyes glaring and could only say something like ‘I give him all the credit he deserves’…

  15. It’s too late for the House. The House passed HR I tonight.

    The Senate needs bombardment. They can make the difference.

  16. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/01/29/hollow_victory_republicans_deliver_slap_in_the_face_to_barack_obama
    But his failure to get even the squishiest moderate Republican – including the 11 entertained in the White House by Rahm Emanuel last night – to back him is not merely a big score for Rep Eric Cantor, Republican Whip, and the rest of the GOP leadership.

    It also shows that it is not just Fox, the loony Right or Rush Limbaugh – or however else you might want to characterise the opposition in order to marginalise it – who had grave misgivings about the content of the bill.

  17. Obama’s Bill Hands ACORN $5.2 Billion Bailout

    Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:06 PM

    By: David A. Patten Article Font Size

    Newsmax

    A rising chorus of GOP leaders are protesting that the blockbuster Democratic stimulus package would provide up to a whopping $5.2 billion for ACORN, the left-leaning nonprofit group under federal investigation for massive voter fraud.

    Most of the money is secreted away under an item in the now $836 billion package titled “Neighborhood Stabilization Programs.”

    Ordinarily, neighborhood stabilization funds are distributed to local governments. But revised language in the stimulus bill would make the funds available directly to non-profit entities such as ACORN, the low-income housing organization whose pro-Democrat voter-registration activities have been blasted by Republicans. ACORN is cited by some for tipping the scales in the Democrats’ favor in November.

    According to Fox news, Sen. David Vitter, R-La., could appear to be a “payoff” for community groups’ partisan political activities in the last election cycle.

    “It is of great concern to me,” Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., tells Newsmax. “I think our government has stayed strong because we’ve had a two-party system, we have had robust debate, people have felt that it was one man-one vote. They are privileged and grateful that they have that ability to cast that vote. And when something is done to belittle or diminish that, it is of great concern to me.”

    Regarding ACORN, Blackburn added, “Additional funds going to these organizations that have tried to skew that system, it causes me great concern and I believe that it causes many of my colleagues great concern.”

    The three-term congressman stopped short of suggesting the “neighborhood stabilization” money is a power grab by Democrats seeking partisan political advantage. But radio talk giant Rush Limbaugh did not.

    Limbaugh warned his listeners Tuesday: “I’ll tell you what’s going on here: We, ladies & gentlemen, we’re funding Obama and the Democrats’ army on the street. We are funding the forces of the Democrat party’s re-election.”

    Blackburn echoed the concerns of Republican leaders who object that the bloated package lacks the short-term stimulus a cut in payroll or sales taxes would provide.

    According to Matthew Vadum of the Capitol Research Center, the stimulus package now under consideration includes:

    $1 billion stashed away in Community Development Block Grant money that ACORN often vies for successfully.

    $10 million to develop or refurbish low-income housing, a specialty of ACORN’s.

    $4.19 billion to stave off foreclosures via the Neighborhood Stabilization Program. Vadum states the current version of the bill would allow nonprofits to compete with cities and states for $3.44 billion of the money. Some $750 million, however, would be exclusively reserved for nonprofits such as ACORN, which is actually an umbrella organization for over 100 progressive organizations.

    Regarding the Neighborhood Stabilization Program, Vadum writes in American Spectator: “Although ACORN operatives usually get their hands on such funds only after they have first passed through the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development or state and local governments, the new spending bill largely eliminates these dawdling middle men, making it easier to get Uncle Sam’s largess directly into the hands of the same people who run ACORN’s various vote fraud and extortion rackets. And the legislative package provides these funds without the usual prohibition on using government money for lobbying or political activities.”

    The charges of partisan political payback appear to be resonating in part due to Obama’s longstanding association with partisan get-out-the-vote operations. He was endorsed by ACORN, and during the campaign paid an ACORN affiliate $832,600 to get-out-the-vote assistance. Early in his career, he led a voter drive for an ACORN-affiliated group called Project Vote.

    It’s not the first time ACORN has been entangled in a bailout controversy. In September, House Republicans objected that the original $700 billion bailout package included $100 million for ACORN – a tiny fraction of the sums for ACORN now being considered in the stimulus package.

  18. wbboei Says:

    January 28th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
    Obama’s Bill Hands ACORN $5.2 Billion Bailout

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    the audacity of obama’s form of change bleeds of corruption.

  19. JanH Says:

    January 28th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
    wbboei Says:

    January 28th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
    Obama’s Bill Hands ACORN $5.2 Billion Bailout

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    the audacity of obama’s form of change bleeds of corruption.

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    ACORN was a proven perpetartor of caucus fraud and some of their members went to jail for it in my state. During the primary their members were principally responsible for the 2000 complaints of voter fraud and intimidation which the DNC refused to investigate. During the general election they were active in registering illegal voters but the republicans failed to respond effectively and the supreme court let down the American people in Ohio.

    So tell me again why should an organization which flies under the flag of now nation and corrupts our voting procedures and thereby disenfranchises legitimate voter by registering illegal ones be entitled to 5.2 billion dollars. Better question why should anyone pay taxes when this is where the money goes.

  20. admin Says:

    January 28th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
    We’ll look into the context of these remarks from January 7, 2009, but this does not sound good:
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    No it does not. I always believed the racial attacks of the primary would morph into anti white policies if he won the election and low and behold the truth comes out. This was forseeable and it needs to be highlighted. When it comes to government programs the Obama-Reich-Rangel sign will read: “Publicly funded jobs available. SKILLED WHITE MEN NEED NOT APPLY.

  21. Admin: some very very very impressive leaders in that group of democrats who voted against this faux stimulus bill. I have met a few of them and they are people you could ride a rough river with and always know you could count on them.

  22. wbboei,

    It makes you wonder just how many more of his “criminal accomplices” are going to be rewarded for stealing the election for him.

  23. Come on, is this a put on? This stimulus isn’t nearly enough. It’s completely watered down and has a bunch of ineffective tax cuts/ I don’t understand what you are saying here. Hillary would have deficit spent. She would have done more, not less. And, she would have had the cramdown and a HOLC. I really do not get what you are saying. This actually is alot like the depression. The problem w/the bill isn’t that it spends too much it’s that it spends too little and time is running out.

  24. To those who remain interested in what ONE reporter, backed up by ONE thirty second section of video, has to say about “the snub” –

    Please note there is no one else who makes the snub claim, except by referencing Clinton hater David Wright, the ABC stringer reporter, who admits he was not there, but watched the video clip very carefully…

    And this quote, from President Carter’s office:

    Former Democratic President Jimmy Carter appeared to greet former Republican President George H.W. Bush and his wife warmly, kissing Barbara Bush on the cheek. But as Carter passed fellow Democrats Bill and Hillary Clinton, the two men did not appear to acknowledge each others presence at all.

    President Carter disputes there was any snub and says any suggestion there was is “erroneous.” Through a spokesperson at the Carter Center in Atlanta, the former President told ABC News that he had earlier spent a half hour talking to the Clintons and therefore wanted to use the opportunity to say hello to the Bushes while he could. According to the spokesperson, cameras only caught the later encounter.

    January 20, 2009 | Permalink | User Comments

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    Can we leave the petty politics – and reporting – aside for the moment?

    Posted by: Rbyanes | Jan 20, 2009 12:09:11 PM

    LOL, wow, who cares? The guy isn’t even done with flubbing his speech yet and you hyenas are scrabbling for some sort of scandal. The press is the problem with this country, not partisan politics, though frankly if you ask me the Clintons and the Carters deserve to be trapped in an elevator somewhere together.

    Posted by: Squonkamatic | Jan 20, 2009 12:20:35 PM

    Whatever…who really cares?

    Posted by: tom | Jan 20, 2009 12:22:32 PM

    Hmmm… this is newsworthy? How does this news improve our economy? Make us safer as a nation? Make us stronger as a nation? Is this significant? For a gossip page, maybe. For the majority of us who are ready to work for the betterment of this nation and world, this is a waste of space and time. It is ABCNews, not ABCGossip. You can do better than that.

    Posted by: LKH | Jan 20, 2009 12:24:43 PM

    Get off the team mentality of democrats and republicans ..as Bill Clinton’s mentor said, “The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.”

    ~ Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in our Time – Now check out http://911essentials.com for a taste of reality you won’t find worrying about horse hockey like this.

    Posted by: Viv | Jan 20, 2009 12:25:54 PM

    I love when bed-wetting liberals show how classless and petty they truly are!!

    Posted by: Barb | Jan 20, 2009 12:27:18 PM

    This is stupid & not one bit important.

    Posted by: Cindy | Jan 20, 2009 12:41:57 PM
    Funny, they had lunch together last week at the White House. Media is making something out of nothing.

    Posted by: muklukmom | Jan 20, 2009 12:50:58 PM

    It is not the ex-presidents that disgust me–it is the posters that have to spew their venom on this of all days, when history has been made, when America is welcoming our new commander in chief, the first African American president. Can’t you all put the past behind and enjoy this day? This should be a day of reconciliation not petty sniping. Shame on all of those who engage in this garbage today.

    Posted by: Larry | Jan 20, 2009 12:51:00 PM

    And how do we even know this story is accurate?

    Posted by: Robin | Jan 20, 2009 12:51:41 PM

    Can we leave the petty politics – and reporting – aside for the moment?

    Posted by: Red Ruffansore | Jan 20, 2009 1:01:17 PM

    That was the first time the Carters had seen Bush, they had seen and greeted the Clinton’s earlier, so there was no need to greet them again when the Carter’s met up with Bush

    Posted by: PG | Jan 20, 2009 1:09:38 PM

    OK kids, let’s all get along now.

    Whoever is in the Oval Office has the hardest job in the world.

    I wish Mr. Obama nothing but the best. Let’s hope he can do something to right what’s gone wrong these past several years.

    History will judge him on his own merits, as it has every other President.
    Posted by: Laurie | Jan 20, 2009 1:10:15 PM

    What a bs story! Who cares???!? Focus on the positive! Come on ABC News!! you should be better than THIS TRASH.

    Posted by: Tim | Jan 20, 2009 1:12:51 PM

    om the joke that is ABC to parrot some
    They had seen each other earlier upon arrival, shown on another video. It wasn’t a snub.

    Posted by: Melissa S | Jan 20, 2009 2:18:55 PM

    i guess nobody saw it… they (abc news) were interviewing donna brazile about the ceremony and she told a story about the fleece throws that were provided for the people on the platform. as it turns out, someone stole donna’s fleece so when she went to shake hands with barry-o she took his off of his seat! now, i will admit, that is funny enough in and of itself, but then when she and the interviewers were finished yucking it up, one of them said “we’ll have to check with the legal dept. to see if that is a felony or a misdemeanor”. donna brazil looked at the camera, held up the fleece and said ” we have a black president…. it’s neither”. that is maybe the funniest thing i ever saw on television!!!!!!!!!

    Posted by: scott | Jan 20, 2009 2:50:54 PM

    Hey, all you so called reporters at ABC News! Wake up. Get to work. The market is tanking now that the Messiah is officially in. And your fabricating a story abotu a Carter-Clinton snub? I hope you go down with Newsweek.

    Posted by: Pat Carroll | Jan 20, 2009 7:28:15 PM

    Now, quit goofing with us! It’s not funny!

    Posted by: stgeorgeschapel | Jan 20, 2009 2:55:18 PM

    ABC News is stooping to a new low. This does not pass as journalism. This is the kind of trash that The Enquirer would publish. I don’t like BHO, but at least give him his day in the sun and don’t publish unverified gossip like this.

    Posted by: Nick | Jan 20, 2009 2:56:51 PM

    The only thing that is pathetic is the press choosing today to continue their tabloid reporting of what was likely not a snub but a simple failure to interact in an environment where there are lots of people competing for the attention of a lot of other people. Clinton had kind words for Carter in his book and Carter had kind words for Clinton after his speech at the 2008 convention. They will never be best friends but there really is no need to make this out to be such drama.

    Posted by: Stephanie | Jan 20, 2009 2:58:28 PM

    We are talking too much on the issue.
    What about if they have meet not long before they came in front of the camera?

    Posted by: Darryl | Jan 20, 2009 3:35:20 PM

    They talked that morning. If he’s already talked, why does he have to say hi to Clinton again…and again. I guess they might have to cover real news if they couldn’t invent contraversy like this.

    Posted by: joe | Jan 20, 2009 4:38:59 PM

    How do any of you know they didn’t have a 20 minute conversation before the cameras were on them and a handshake wasn’t appropriate?

    Posted by: Samples | Jan 20, 2009 4:51:31 PM

    You know what’s sad? It’s that the media inflames partisan emnity by being so overtly partisan and looking to fan everything that happens in this world into a headline.

    It’s the media that should go, and thankfully, it’s on its way out.
    Posted by: A. Schmendrick | Jan 20, 2009 4:51:35 PM

    As far as the snubbing goes, it’s the media trying to make something out of nothing again. As far as the comment posted, there are obviously a bunch of sour grape

    Posted by: DMan | Jan 20, 2009 4:51:37 PM

    Stories like this one are why most people no longer trust the MSM in this country. They manufacture conflicts, embellish endlessly, and always put a spin on the truth. This was probably nothing and even if it was, it is not worthy of any headlines, especially on this historic day. Shame on you ABC.

    Posted by: JRS | Jan 20, 2009 5:26:17 PM

    Soundss like some journalist is just looking to kick around some poop.

    Posted by: tricie | Jan 20, 2009 5:34:36 PM

    If you are going to condemn someone, stick to the facts. Your posts are lacking them.

    Posted by: Troy Street | Jan 20, 2009 5:40:49 PM

    I think the press does stories like this because average people get off on them. Read the comments here. Everyone got a chance to say “Clinton sucks” and “Carter sucks.” If the media print articles with substance, the average person would have to write nothing, or else say “I don’t get it” and “That’s WAY over my head.”

    Posted by: Will Samichael | Jan 20, 2009 5:42:38 PM

    I can’t believe some of the vitriolic comments here. Where do you people come from? Or it is just two or three of you who are making these assinine remarks about Carter and Clinton. It’s clear that the Clintons and the Carters had already greeted each other. So the discussion about that is moot.

    Posted by: Carol | Jan 20, 2009 5:53:57 PM

    Amazing. Apparently 98 percent of people commenting on this story read the headlines but were incapable of reading the story or were just too lazy to do so. Gotta get those predetermined slams in without having a clue as to what the story actually says. The headline, in typical network media fashion, implies, hey, this might have happened. The story indicates that there was no slight. Feel free to trash Carter for making a hash of his presidency. He certainly was in over his head when he ran into the foul cesspool that is Washington, D.C. But here also was a man who put human rights and decency above all else, even when it wasn’t in the interest of our greedy little pocketbooks. Not a man who made the sounds when it was convenient or used those words to support actions completely to the opposite, like those who held the office after him. No, Carter is a man who is truly what a Christian is supposed to be, and I say that though I have never been one myself.

    Now, go back to squealing over Jimmy and Bill and even W., and don’t you worry about this one little comment. Just put it out of your minds, like you do the huge section of reality that conflicts with what your little minds can manage. Read the story. The facts are there. You sound stupid when you comment on it when you haven’t read it, just so you can get in some meaningless shouting.

    Posted by: msrowena | Jan 20, 2009 6:04:40 PM

    Agree with Rbyanes…a rather petty story!

    Good presidents….bad presidents…they reflect the American political landscape at the time they are elected.

    Posted by: freedomfighter2222 | Jan 20, 2009 6:48:17 PM

    C’mon ABC, posters & posterettes, get a life. A lot was going on, and politics never rests. Get over it and report some “real” stories, instead of the pitting one against the other crapola. Geez.

    Posted by: Mike | Jan 20, 2009 8:22:36 PM

    ROM THE VIEWER. SHAME ON YOU.
    don’t ya just love slow news days? every slow news day all ya have to do is go after clinton and poke fun of carter…and viola…you have something to talk about…

    Posted by: Floyd | Jan 20, 2009 8:59:20 PM

    This is a story?
    This is worth reading?
    This is a waste of my time.

    Try getting up from your desk, hitting the street and coming up with a real story. It’s easy. It’s called doing your job.

    This is drivel.

    Posted by: PKJ | Jan 20, 2009 9:04:01 PM
    This is what we call tabloid journalism. Its pathetic when the Enquirer is better than ABC with actual news stories. John Edwards? Now that was news. Obama’s missing birth certificate and records from his schools? Now that is news. Appeared? Did not appear? Hey buddy. Did you graduate from journalism school?

    Posted by: glennmcgahee | Jan 20, 2009 9:04:55 PM

    abc is one of those alphabet networks that will never print the truth. The press is as bad as Aljazeer. ( or however you spell it ) The Media is equivilent to Nazi Germany and the Americans continue to dial in. This is all pretty dangerous. The Media is disgusting
    Posted by: michelle O | Jan 20, 2009 9:10:17 PM

    I doubt any great snub was involved – sometimes we all work way too hard at manufacturing “intel” that’s not really there.

    Posted by: Kaseymoe | Jan 20, 2009 10:14:55 my | Jan 20, 2009 10:53:55 PM
    Who cares? The media has to be more “responsible” than reporting this gossipy non-story in the age of President Obama. Or we can hope.

    Posted by: ken | Jan 20, 2009 11:14:24 PM

    How is this newsworthy?

    Posted by: Whitney | Jan 20, 2009 11:35:51 PM

    The syory is stupid. The video does not show anything the parties did in the minutes prior to the Carters being in the hallway. If the Carters and Clintons had spoken just moments before, it makes no sense to shake hands again.

    That’s like shaking hands and saying “Nice to see you,” to someone you were just talking to minutes before.

    Posted by: B Smart | Jan 21, 2009 2:03:55 AM

    Can anyone tell me the usefulness of this information? With everything that goes on in this world we need updates on this? Bone up dammit.
    Posted by: Dennis | Jan 21, 2009 7:00:05 AM

    This is a pure example of the trivial stories the media dwells on in order to perpetuate division and controversy. The media over the past 10 years or more has gradually gone from good journalism and honest reporting to trying to create interest in the trivial.

    Posted by: James Steele | Jan 21, 2009 8:34:08 AM

    He was just walking in, stoped to say hi to the Bushes..they were being rushed as they wanted people to take there seats. The guy had his hand out and said come this way..you people and press read to much bull sh it into stupid stuff.

    Posted by: earl | Jan 22, 2009 12:42:00 PM

    This is gossipy little piece that does not deserve much attention except as an interesting little aside. I’m not surprised to see the plethora of Republicans running with it to demonstrate a dazzling display of sour grapes.

    Posted by: DLane | Jan 22, 2009 7:48:34 PM

    You guys are making mountains out of molehills. You are the petty classless ones. Get a life.

    Posted by: Betty | Jan 27, 2009 10:25:35 AM

    Come on guys it was obviously not a snub.

    Posted by: Adam | Jan 27, 2009 2:55:28 PM

  25. Jan-I am afraid to ask. But if it is anything like the Italian Mafia eveyone who helped gets their palms greased.

    On a different note, I find it deeply offensive that they are denominating the benefits in dollar amounts by zip code for two reasons:

    First, it is materially misleading. They should also disclose the resulting increase the national debt, how it reduces the purchasing power of the dollar and how it is nothing more than a nefarious scheme to rob peter to pay paul–also by zip code. Then show the net–subject to audit.

    Second, it reinforces a fatal tendency of democracies to vote in politicians who will grant them larger benefits, deplete the treasury and diminish the dollar the prospects for the future. It is a form of bread and circuses–the game that ruins nations.

    What they should be focusing on now is job creation and creating the conditons where small business can succeed and no more bailouts for the multinationals.

    What the hell does robert reich know about anything, except how to stand on a footstool at the urinal.

  26. Still not getting you. This bill should have been bigger, no tax cuts, hell, I’d have consolidated health care dollars and opened up Medicare rather than the patch system we have now and excessively funded with the bill. I don’t want BO making “tough decisions” that invariably screw over the middle and working class. We’ve had years of that and it’s done nothing. I still say BO’s policy is crap because of ineffective tax cuts, not enough public investment, and no cramdown/HOLC or other instruments that could have stemmed the foreclosure crisis. We have a banking crisis, and yesterday BO’s guy came out and his reforms were to lesson the influence of lobbyist, which is crap. That’s not regulation, that’s a wink wink nudge nudge, don’t worry guys, to the banking sector. Still, this seems like typical center right economics. That’s why it won’t work, not because of deficit spending. The pay-go thing is ludicrous, how many more services can underfund? Why should the majority of americans continue to bail out fat cats and then get table scraps? Again, i don’t understand what you are arguing.

  27. wbboei Says:
    January 28th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    JanH Says:

    January 28th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
    wbboei Says:

    January 28th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
    Obama’s Bill Hands ACORN $5.2 Billion Bailout

    ———————–

    the audacity of obama’s form of change bleeds of corruption.

    ——————-
    ACORN was a proven perpetartor of caucus fraud and some of their members went to jail for it

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Yes, it’s right here, neatly rolled into the renewable Energy provision:

    “Renewable energy

    : “$54 billion. Double production of alternative energy in the next three years. ***Weatherize low-income homes,*** (sounds like an Acorn subsidy) modernize 75% of federal buildings and update the nation’s electrical grid with a new, cost-efficient “smart” grid.”

    http //pumasunleashed.wordpress.com

  28. It is not the ex-presidents that disgust me–it is the posters that have to spew their venom on this of all days, when history has been made, when America is welcoming our new commander in chief, the first African American president. Can’t you all put the past behind and enjoy this day? This should be a day of reconciliation not petty sniping. Shame on all of those who engage in this garbage today.

    Posted by: Larry | Jan 20, 2009 12:51:00 PM
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    Glad it was a great day for you Larry. Glad you had a grand old time. Wonder whether you will feel that way four years hence. Wonder if you are really educable. African American Presidnet Larry? The American part is still an issue before the Supreme Court. Sic transit gloria mundi Larry. Chau or should I say Chow Larry.

  29. Emjay,

    I stand by my overall dislike of Carter but, I apologize if my remarks about a “snub” were erroneous. I heard about the incident second hand. I had no reason at the time to second guess the person who told me.

  30. mj Says:
    January 28th, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    mj, Obama’s mission is to loot the Social Security Treasury and break the Middle Class completely and totally. The Democrats are all for it. So are the Republicans. However, they are voting against it because…. they can! The perception will be the Republicans were voting against the Bail-Out for the Greater Good.. which is a LIE! Understand this once and for all! We have ONE Party. They are both on the same side against the Middle Class and all for the Global Bankers.

  31. Weatherize low-income homes,*** (sounds like an Acorn subsidy) modernize 75% of federal buildings and update the nation’s electrical grid with a new, cost-efficient “smart” grid.”

    Um, this is one of the only things to actually like about the bill. ACORN mainly registers voters. Weatherizing housing is smart because a) it creates jobs, b) it reduces futures cost, and c)it spurs the weatherizing industry. This is particularly a good idea because so many construction workers when the bottom fell out of the housing sector. Also, these are all Hillary ideas she ran on.

  32. wbboei Says:
    January 28th, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn

    She’s the woman facing foreclosure who is always on tv for the repubs.

  33. Well, Mrs.S we really don’t know what these idiots plan to do. I’m actually seeing 3 Party’s emerge, atleast in the House. Repubs, blue dogs and progressive on some social issues but corporate Dems, and the progressives.

  34. Also, these are all Hillary ideas she ran on.yep mj ..she was on the trail and people know this the 18 million people do not forget what she said at her campaign rallys…People are really catching on that we have a corrupt PRESIDENT and this son of buck Liar fraud crook obama..steals her ideas he needs to be IMPEACHED NOW he is corrupt SING BLago SING!!!!!!

  35. I really dislike the increase in faith based programs. The office is increasing from one to twelve different offices is quite frightening and unsettling. What happened to the separation of church and state?

  36. mj, Obama’s mission is to loot the Social Security Treasury and break the Middle Class completely and totally. The Democrats are all for it. So are the Republicans. However, they are voting against it because…. they can! The perception will be the Republicans were voting against the Bail-Out for the Greater Good.. which is a LIE! Understand this once and for all! We have ONE Party. They are both on the same side against the Middle Class and all for the Global Bankers.
    ————————————————-
    I think that is true as a general statement. The neolibs who now control the democratic party and the neocons who now control the Republican Party have a clear globalist agenda, are responsive to international bankers and are indifferent to the fate of the middle class.

    But there are other factions in both parties who do care about the future of the middle class. In the democratic party they are the centrist groups who supported Hillary, rank and file trade unionists (as opposed to there leaders), etc. In the republican party they are the small government types, the libertarians and others. The problem is they are not in control.

    If the leadership of both parties is proves unable to deal with the immense problems of this country, it is hypothetically possible that a third party would emerge out of the ashes of the two existing parties. Freidmant writes about this and predicts the eventual emergence of a wall party which is patriotic, nativist and isolationist in its leanings, and an internationalist party which is dedicated to international business and saving the planet after consuming bottles of the best french wine other peoples money can buy them those presciouls little darlings.

  37. Obama trying to go in through a window at the white house…stupid ass…

    we do not need a stimulus bailout…Obama is trying to get that money to coprrupt people and they will hide it for him…especially them acorn voter fraud people…

  38. “In the democratic party they are the centrist groups who supported Hillary” Not really. Most blue dogs either didn’t support or supported Obama. Hillary was backed big time by the progressive caucus, which is the only group of dems who seem to give a fig about the middle and working classes. Note not online activists who call themselves progressive but actual progressive policy makers. Centrist doesn’t mean anything anymore except corporate friendly. in that way, I think Obama is centrist. he hasn’t proposed anything bold or truly progressive at all.

  39. mj, you remarks appear to be against the “stimulus” bill too. Your wish list is not reality, your recommendations are not in the “stimulus” bill. Your proposals are not in the bill, you think Obama’s policy is “crap”.

    Your wish list is also not “stimulative” in a strict sense. Your wish list might be worthy, but those proposals do not belong in a stimulative bill. The B.O. people are taking a rather expansive view of what is stimulative. Conceivably the federal government could take a trillion dollars and run the bills through a paper shredder than toss the trillion dollar confetti to the four winds and call it “stimulative” – after all it will create jobs for sanitation workers. But such a proposal would not pass a balance test.

    We supported the Hillary Clinton Home Ownership Loan Corporation because it was a darn good idea and because Hillary was someone we trust. John McCain proposed pretty much the same thing. Ask yourself why Obama does not support it.

    We also opposed TARP, which many “progressives” and “Dimocrats” supported. You raise a good question: “Why should the majority of americans continue to bail out fat cats and then get table scraps?” Again, we opposed TARP and its fat cat bailout. We oppose this stimulus bill because it gives non-fat cats “table scraps” to employ your terminology.

    Did you read the short excerpt from “S” we called to your attention?

    You appear to want more spending for things you want and to hell with deficit spending as a worry. We think deficit spending is always a worry. We thought that during the Bush years too.

    We do support certain kinds of deficit spending but oppose others and in all cases deficit spenders should proceed with caution. When Bill Clinton was president he was mocked for his concern about deficit spending, and the debt was then in low single trillions. Bill Clinton knew that short term pain would produce long term gains.

    We know that Democrats who attacked Bush for being a drunken spender don’t like to be told not to spend like drunken spenders. But we will say it: “Don’t spend like drunken spenders.”

  40. # mj Says:
    January 28th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
    Well, Mrs.S we really don’t know what these idiots plan to do. I’m actually seeing 3 Party’s emerge, atleast in the House. Repubs, blue dogs and progressive on some social issues but corporate Dems, and the progressives.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I certainly DO know what they are planning to do. This has been coming for years and years at least since 1998. Perhaps you haven’t followed as closely or paid as much attention as many of us that have lived it. Whatever you are seeing is politicians jockeying for position. It has nothing whatsoever to do with your perceptions of what “IS”… and when you don’t know the answer to a question instead of speculating and muddying the waters… watch, listen and pay attention.

    This is one of the most chaotic times in political history and here is where you will learn something…

    Admin is on it… so have no fear!

  41. “internationalist party which is dedicated to international business and saving the planet after consuming bottles of the best french wine other peoples money can buy them those presciouls little darlings.” Yes, that has already happened. That’s BO’s elite base.

  42. Wbboei, that Larry character was the one who was spewing venom while accusing others of spewing venom. It’s very amusing when he write’s about “reconciliation not petty sniping” as he does both.

  43. ACORN mainly registers voters
    ————————————————-
    They register voters and they do gotv activities. There was widespread fraud and abuse in both areas. See above.

    They also do low income housing.

    They were Obamas first employer. He began as an ACORN organizer. This is something of a kick back, as good old dudley do right aka Brian Willams would say about him.

    Hillary has got to be glad to be out of this rat race. If she were still in the senate she would most likely vote nay on this ridiculous bill, and lead that coalition. Then big media would try to destroy her. Where she is now they really cannot touch her, and now they can begin to devour their own corpus delecti.

  44. Mrs. Smith, exactly right about Obama ready to loot Social Security. Looting Social Security was what Bush wanted to do to get trillions into the Wall Street gambling houses in time to save Wall Street. That scheme failed and Wall Street failure followed. Obama is attempt #2.

  45. I don’t support the stimulus because the money can not move fast enough to stimulate. Did not support TARP. But what I do support is a restructuring of spending on such things as health care. We could save millions, and yes, create jobs if we expanded Medicare and stopped wasting money on the market failure private insurance industry. I do support spending on infrastructure, though no, I would not call it “stimulus” as it will take a long time to realize any gains, but in the long run it will create jobs, speed the movement of goods, and reduce energy costs. I do not support anymore “tough decisions” that just screw regular people. But, no, I wouldn’t have packaged any of this as a stimulus. I would have come up with a long term plan for growing the economy and seriously regulating the banking sector. It’s not a “wish list”, by the way. It’s restructuring the government for progressive, sensible spending. China has a two year plan which include single payer health care to grow their economy. We are aiming too low and just spending on a traditional laundry list of incrementalist ideas, when the times demand more serious policy initiatives.

  46. Wbboei, that Larry character was the one who was spewing venom while accusing others of spewing venom. It’s very amusing when he write’s about “reconciliation not petty sniping” as he does both.
    ——————————————————
    Admin: people like Larry are what Menken called mere rabinical automatons with as much mental give and take as a scotch terrier watching a rathole. It would be interesting to sit this ignoramus down and show him how many points in the liberal agenda his fearless leader has pissed back on and we are still in month 1. Maybe he has just got a mancrush on Obama in which case it is all understandable because as Shakespeare said love is blind.

  47. mj, it is a wish list because it is not in the “stimulus” bill. Facts are stubborn. Obama will unwisely deficit spend for a political, not economic program. Obama’s friends will do well. Ordinary Americans will have their children pay the bill.

    We supported Hillary Clinton’s brilliant Universal Health Care plan which pitted single payer against private insurers. Single payer would have won the fight. She was brilliant. We don’t expect a health care bill now and even Clyburn said that won’t be done. All the things Hillary would have fought to get done, will not get done. Hillary would have deficit spent, but like Bill for economic good sense. The Hillary wish list is our wish too that would have become reality because of hard work not Hopium and vicodin.

    You might want to call it “restructuring the government for progressive, sensible spending” but it is not going to happen. It is a vain wish. The only thing Obama stimulates is our contempt and opposition.

  48. Wbboei, you are so kind to Obama – we are just barely outside of week 1. And as children say “Love is blind but the neighbors ain’t.”

    Hillarygirl, Obama could also give $50,000 to every child in junior high school and the money would be spent in an hour. It would be “stimulative” but not wise.

  49. # admin Says:
    January 28th, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    Mrs. Smith, exactly right about Obama ready to loot Social Security. Looting Social Security was what Bush wanted to do to get trillions into the Wall Street gambling houses in time to save Wall Street. That scheme failed and Wall Street failure followed. Obama is attempt #2.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Just for a minute, think about how our present situation could have been worse.

    Bush, after campaigning for a year successfully convinced the American people to go ahead and allocate a portion or all of their SS money to be put into the stock market as was his year long scheme.

    At the time, the stock mkt was flying high and the prophetic Cramer, who could do no wrong, was the new 11pm God of the gambling set.

    IF the elderly and the retirees followed Bush’s lead, hook, line and sinker. A year later would have lost everything in the crash and at this point in time would be existing at below the poverty level, in fact at a level of indigence. Every bit of security we have known in our economy would have ended with the Bush presidency. And yes, I wholeheartedly agree Admin, Obama is the second attempt at completing the looting of the last vestige of the American Dream. Social Security.

    A point has been reached in this jobless economy, where if you have delinquencies on your credit history…ie past Bankruptcy, Foreclosure, way past due Student Loan payments…delinquent car pmts..You will not be hired for a job! Thats a first for me, hearing you need a
    decent FICO for job eligibility. Translated, employers will only hire people/families of means for well paying jobs. The rest will be subordinated to low paying jobs even though they come equipped with college degrees.

  50. The only thing Obama stimulates is our contempt and opposition.
    ——————————-
    Admin: well put.

  51. Saw this while I was catching up with Craig Crawford’s Trail Mix:

    CQ TODAY ONLINE NEWS
    Jan. 28, 2009 – 7:46 p.m.
    If You Wanted Hillary for President, You’ll Like This Group
    By Emily Cadei, CQ Staff

    Hillary Rodham Clinton may have limits on the type of political activity she can engage in as secretary of State, but her supporters don’t.

    Some of them are banding together to form a new nonprofit group, NoLimits.org. The group is headed by Ann Lewis, a veteran of Clinton’s unsuccessful 2008 presidential campaign who was deputy manager of President Bill Clinton’s 1996 campaign, and White House communications director.

    Its stated mission is to continue the conversation that Hillary Clinton started during the presidential campaign, but it also can maintain a base of grass-roots support beyond the apolitical State Department, much in the way President Obama recently turned his list of campaign supporters into the independent group Organizing for America.

    In the political world, the names of Lewis and Clinton are so closely associated that a communication from Lewis is considered almost as authoritative as one from Clinton. But Lewis has more fund-raising freedom because the Hatch Act of 1939 restricts administration officials from soliciting contributions

    While other former presidential candidates — including Republicans Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee, and most recently 2008 Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin — have formed political action committees to create a home for their e-mail lists and maintain a base of supporters, Obama and Clinton are wise to distance themselves from such activities, said Tara Malloy, associate legal counsel for watchdog group the Campaign Legal Center.

    Bert Carp, a Democratic lobbyist and fundraiser, said organizations such as NoLimits.org and Organizing for America may start out with no real ambition apart from, “Gee, we’ve got these great lists, how can we preserve the value of them?”

    “It’s really a way for people to stay involved,” said Lewis.

    Lewis said the name for the group was drawn from Clinton’s August 2008 Democratic National Convention speech, in which she said the United States needs “Leaders who can help us show ourselves and the world that with our ingenuity, creativity and innovative spirit, there are no limits to what is possible in America.”

    Lewis said she had not spoken to Clinton about the organization, but the secretary of State was aware NoLimits.org would be renting her list of supporters.

    As a nonprofit group organized under the 501(c)3 section of the IRS code, NoLimits.org cannot engage in political campaigning nor election activities, and it does not intend to lobby.

    The group can, however, conduct voter education and spur discussion on politics and policy issues. Its initial list of issues includes equal pay for women and the economic crisis.

  52. Wbboei, you are so kind to Obama – we are just barely outside of week 1. And as children say “Love is blind but the neighbors ain’t.”
    ————————————
    Admin: you are right. It is premature. I should give him a fair chance. I will wait until the end of the second week before I begin talking about his failed presidency. Thanks to our girl we are safer on the international front than we have been in eight years. But thanks to him and his predecessor in office Bush we are more vulnerable on the economy and I worry that the cure may even worse than the disease. The racist thrust of his stimulus–as disclosed by Reich and Rangler is highly problematic. The country is in no frame of mind for social engineering, or robbing Peter to pay Paul. If his policies serve to undermine the middle class he must expect they will go down fighting.

  53. Wbboei, your generosity towards Obama is breathtakingly boundless. We’re humbled.

    Emjay, thanks for posting that. Check out the right hand column of Hillary World-Wide for the links to the website and other latest Hillary news.

    The Obama plans to sideline Bill and Hillary politically just went the way of the Caroline Kennedy plots.

  54. In Africa, there is an relevant comparison and contrast to be drawn between South Africa and Rhodesia (now Zambawai). Both were former British colonies, both practiced aparthaid, both used that institution to suppress the black majority, both recanted under pressure from the United States and the world community, but one became a democracy under Nelson Mandela and the other became a dictatorship under Robert Mugambe. One prospered and the other did not.

    Will Obama prove to be Mandela or Mugambe? In an economic crisis? Time will tell.

  55. I just posted at a blog that shall remain nameless:

    “$200 million for condoms?”

    $200 million is what would be SAVED by this provision. Here is a cite from the Washington Post, quoted and linked at Heidi Li’s blog,
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    tdg.typepad.com/heidi_lis_potpourri/2009/01/a-week-or-so-into-our-new-presidential-administration-and-the-strange-sensation-of-living-in-a-universe-that-only-partially.html

    As the House version of the legislation came to the floor on Tuesday, Democrats stripped from it a provision that Republicans had ridiculed as having nothing to do with economic stimulus, one expanding federal Medicaid coverage of family planning services. (The Congressional Budget Officehad estimated that the provision would actually save the government $200 million over five years by reducing pregnancy and postnatal-care expenses.)

  56. Obama doesnt like women, he is a racist against women..he and pelosi reid that this stimulus pkg is just wonderful they are full of it and Should be in Jail.

    …i read this on a blog..
    Just want to tell you not to be duped into believing that there was any money included in the stimulus pkg. for “women’s health issues” It is a lie. They are just funding more abortions. They just hide it under the lie of women’s health issues. The pro choice movement is just simply pro-abortion. It just sounds nicer to say pro choice. They have all kinds of flowery names to cover up what is actually going on.

  57. The BRM are keeping up all kinds of false information to keep the political agenda of the general populance distracted and in turmoil.This gives BHO a relatively clear path to coddle and payback his array of Wall Street Svengali king makers.Their goal is to reduce the middle class and empower the lower class to a toothless group of welfare check recipients that will struggle for food water and clothing doled to them by the Obama “LEGACY OF RESTITUTION FUND” that he used in his criminal path to the title of CIC.The door to the Whitehouse is now open to all that keep him in power while they strenghen their stranglehold on our economic recovery.All this distraction is happening now and is a threat to our demacracy.Meanwhile the backdoor is open and the whitehouse is being looted Acorn Style.
    I am thankful that Hillary is safe and where she can be our Angel in the outfield that we will follow and support to right this horrible act of treason that is taking place as we are subjected to pain and humiliation since that day when he dealt the race card and our lives changed for each of us in these sad and shameful times.Our congress and the high courts are filled with timid greedy and gutless politicians thad do not serve the people who put them in office.

    BY ABM 90 You are so right wbboei.We must protect our new SOS Hillary from the dogs of social wars.

  58. My views on the current economic situation are probably in the minority here, and perhaps they are somewhat niave (I’m no economist), but I see the failure of many sectors of the economy as a GOOD thing for the lower and middle classes in the long term. It’s akin to malthusian theory, in my view. The camels back NEEDS to be broken in order for us to return to reason. In the short term, it’s a painful thing, but in the long run , the greed and lack of proportion we’ve experienced for many years will have to break. Why postpone the inevitable?

  59. Admin

    I like the photos in the right col on the big pink page, where Bush in a few short photos turns into Obama.

  60. Lately, Nancy and BO have been including a ‘concern for the American people’ in their press op statements. Wish they would not take our name in vane. Wish they would have cared for will of American people during primary. What they have to say at this point is just more hypocrisy. End of rant.

  61. holdthemaccountable Says:

    January 29th, 2009 at 9:18 am

    ———————

    Just words. They used them to manipulate, to fearmonger, to inspire but all in the most devious of ways.

  62. An $800 Billion Mistake

    By Martin Feldstein
    Thursday, January 29, 2009; Page A19

    As a conservative economist, I might be expected to oppose a stimulus plan. In fact, on this page in October, I declared my support for a stimulus. But the fiscal package now before Congress needs to be thoroughly revised. In its current form, it does too little to raise national spending and employment. It would be better for the Senate to delay legislation for a month, or even two, if that’s what it takes to produce a much better bill. We cannot afford an $800 billion mistake

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/28/AR2009012802938.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

  63. admin: cannot confirm this vote: Rep. Christopher Carney [D,PA-10]Nay

    Have checked roll call at cspan.org where he’s listed as a yea. Have called local office; associate just got in and doesn’t know.
    Next step for me will be to call DC. But at this point I’m more concerned about reliable records than I am about how Carney voted.
    Hence this post.

    JanH: thanks for commenting. I know. I just like to call them on it.

  64. (Idunn): “the failure of many sectors of the economy as a GOOD thing for the lower and middle classes in the long term”

    No, not the failure of ‘many sectors.’ Faulty sectors, yes; but as McCain pointed out in his campaign, the economy is basically sound. He meant, in fact, the middle class-driven economy, the ‘working man’s’ economy. That level of the economy needs to be ‘bailed out’ by a stimulus. The question is, Is Bambi’s stimulus plan going to do that? And the answer seems to be No.

  65. The bottom line, imo, is until someone credible in the media (not some far right or far left operation) is willing to come out and expose BO and his policies mainstream America will like lemmings jump off cliffs for him….Even when/if he is exposed, a large segment will simply ignore and deny….When you have big media in your back pocket, you control the agenda. Part of President’s Clinton and Hillary’s biggest problems are that they have been a target for decades and the MSM has acted as an enabler for every Clinton hater out there. The same standard has NEVER applied to BO. BO has and shall remain, imo, the media darling until they (MSM) do not get what they want……

  66. holdthemaccountable Says:

    January 29th, 2009 at 9:18 am
    Lately, Nancy and BO have been including a ‘concern for the American people’ in their press op statements.
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    “The welfare of the people has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience”

    Albert Camus quotes (French Novelist, Essayist and Playwright, 1957 Nobel Prize for Literature, 1913-1960)

    The truth is they can invoke the name of the American People, John Maynard Keynes or Yogi Berra it is just words. In the final analysis it all comes back to the same question. Assuming a stimulus bill is needed at this point, is this the right one, does it create the right incentives for small business to create jobs and is there proper oversight? In the end will it work, and if so how soon?

    A subset of that question, given the fact that both parties are in pare delicto, does Waxman intend to take money back from the financial institutions who used it for self serving purposes rather than the intended ones? If he (Waxman et al) is going to deplete the net worth of the American People, let us at least hope itis done for the intended purpose which was to unfreeze credit markets.

  67. wbboei 10:41

    We will go after the poor little gray hair person, but leave crooked corporate American alone. What we really need is a one term President more concerned about cleaning up American, and less about his second term or the book he will write about how they did nothing.

  68. My views on the current economic situation are probably in the minority here, and perhaps they are somewhat niave (I’m no economist), but I see the failure of many sectors of the economy as a GOOD thing for the lower and middle classes in the long term. It’s akin to malthusian theory, in my view. The camels back NEEDS to be broken in order for us to return to reason. In the short term, it’s a painful thing, but in the long run , the greed and lack of proportion we’ve experienced for many years will have to break. Why postpone the inevitable
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    That is the core argument of the non interventionists group. I would imagine the Cato Instititute would advocate this. Let the business cycle play out and that which does not kill us makes us stronger. It is a respectable economic argument.

    But the pain and collateral damage wreaked by the businsess cycle left to its own devises are an issue. The problem with the current bill is it smells more like pork than a construtive solution to the problem–or the beginning of one. Also there is a social engineering racist rob peter to pay paul aspect to it (judging by the colloquy between Reich and Rangler) which will go down like a mouth full of grass burrs in hard economic times.

  69. We will go after the poor little gray hair person, but leave crooked corporate American alone. What we really need is a one term President more concerned about cleaning up American, and less about his second term or the book he will write about how they did nothing.
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    New Mexico: that is exactly right. That is what McCain wanted to be. I do not mean that as endorsement–we are beyond that, and whether he would have been any good at it given what occurred is a further question. But at least that was his perspective and god bless him for that much. He stands in sharp distinction to people like Pelosi who hang on forever and do no real good for anyone other than themselves and their latte sipping birkshier wearing constitutents. Another example of a limosene liberal behaviorally blind to the interests of the middle class. If anyone sees it differently please advise.

  70. wbboei

    I go on gut feeling sometimes, and McCain really felt right. I think it was obvious that the Republican’s were not totally behind him, which in my estimations meant they were afraid that he would do the right thing. They were obviously less afraid of O.

  71. We will go after the poor little gray hair person, but leave crooked corporate American alone. What we really need is a one term President more concerned about cleaning up American, and less about his second term or the book he will write about how they did nothing
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    The game has changed. At one time corporations were perceived as beneficial to society generally speaking. There were exceptions of course and Hollywood did a good job of highlighting them and villifying the executive typically a white male–which made everyone happy. The charge was not necessarily unfouned.

    But from a broader perspective corporations were deemed to be good. The supporting logic was they provided jobs, paid taxes, created economic value and posted placards at baseball parks so everyone knew they were good citizens even when they werent.

    Today that is a debateable proposition. In 1960 they paid 60 percent of the total taxes whereas five years ago it was about 15 percent. Today, the manufacturing jobs they create are likely to be overseas. Last year big business lost 174,000 jobs and small business created 100 percent of the new jobs in the economy. Yet the Obama plan would give bailouts to big business and tax burdens to small business. I have not checked to see if that has changed.

    The point is so much of what we believe to be true about corporate America is not. Thus it is tragic for the American People that they own big media and a good portion of congress. The congressional leaders in both parties are symptomatic of this, so when they blather on about the welfare of the American People watch your wallet.

  72. I go on gut feeling sometimes, and McCain really felt right. I think it was obvious that the Republican’s were not totally behind him, which in my estimations meant they were afraid that he would do the right thing. They were obviously less afraid of O.
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    I never thought of it that way but you are probably right.

  73. Hill Republican: Stimulus aids illegal immigrants
    The Associated PressPublished: January 29, 2009

    WASHINGTON: A top Republican congressional aide says the $800 billion-plus economic stimulus measure could steer government checks to illegal immigrants.

    Republican officials are concerned that the Democratic-written legislation makes people who came to the United States illegally eligible for tax credits of $500 per worker and $1,000 per couple.

    A House-passed version of the bill and one making its way through the Senate both disqualify nonresident aliens from receiving the credits. But neither requires a worker to have a Social Security number to get the credits.

    An economic aid measure enacted in February 2008 that sent rebates to most wage earners required that people have valid Social Security numbers in order to get checks.

  74. GOP Strategy: Oppose Pelosi, Not Obama

    blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/01/gop-strategy-op.html

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    Obama has high a high level of public support right now just as Bush did at the beginning of his presidnecy. The number is 71%–about what you would expect. Of that number I suspect 35% is hard core and the remainder is subject to change if he cannot solve the economic problem within 18 months. By then excuses will not matter.

    That being the case, the opposition is wise to focus their attacks on Pelosi and Reid. In the short term this benefits Obama too because if there is to be pork in the bill he wants it to be his pork not Pelosis giveaway progams. But ultilmately, it undermines him because it will generate mid term losses in the 2010.

    I firmly believe Obama will be judged solely on the economy. Whether or not he was dealt a losing hand by the Republicans, the fact remains he promised change and told us he was the Messiah. That is what people will remember on days like today when Boeing and Starbucks just announced massive layoffs this morning and Microsoft a week ago.
    He is captain of the ship now and as such he is responsible for the voyage.

  75. Watchdogs smarter than myself, need to put this and any other package proposd under the microscope for any renaming or fine print that would benefit any such groups at my great-grandchildren’s expense. I suspect that it would be placed in there in different wording in numerous places so that it could be ‘removed’ to appease opposition’s demand.

    As someone has said, and repeats often, the Huckster can not be trusted [and neither can his minions].

    Off subject, but when the Huckster spoke this am about signing the Lily Ledbetter bill, he thanked Peloosi [finger in mouth barfing] when it was really to be credited to our ”no limits’ girl. Am I wrong?

  76. Hillary is responsible for the Lily Ledbetter bill. Pelosi was strictly a bureaucratic functionary. It is just a political lie and everyone know it. Taking credit for things she did not do is another line of attack against her. This should be interesting.

  77. Real Cost of Stimulus Plan? Almost $1.2 Trillion

    Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:30 PM

    By: David A. Patten Article Font Size

    Taxpayers will pay much more for the fiscal stimulus than previously revealed – over $1.17 trillion according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

    Most sources have assessed the cost of the stimulus package at approximately $825 billion. But the CBO reports those estimates do not include the cost of the money that must be borrowed to pay for the plan. [Editor’s Note: To view the CBO letter reporting on the total cost of the stimulus plan, go here now.]

    Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., asked the CBO – the research arm of Congress – to calculate the “money cost” of borrowing the funds needed to fulfill the stimulus projects being sought by congressional Democrats and President Obama. Like every other borrower, the government must pay back borrowed principal plus the interest on its debt.

    The CBO responded with a Jan. 27 letter from CBO Director Douglas W. Elmendorf estimating the cost of borrowing the money would be $347.1 billion – or about 42 percent of the cost of the projects. That would push the total cost of the stimulus package to over $1.17 trillion.

    “Such [interest] costs … are not counted for congressional scorekeeping purposes for such legislation,” Elmendorf stated in his letter to Rep. Ryan.

    The true cost may climb even higher, however, because the CBO’S calculations are all based on its low-end estimate that the base cost of the stimulus package will be just $815.9 billion, compared to the $825 figure commonly used. Congressional Republicans told Newsmax on Tuesday the actual base cost of the still-evolving stimulus package is about $836 billion.

    The higher the cost, the more expensive the program is to finance, and the greater the total debt burden on future taxpayers.

    Ryan has been an outspoken critic of the stimulus plan. In a recent Wall Street Journal commentary he warned: “The last several months are a foreshadowing of a new era of government activism, rather than an unfortunate but necessary (and anomalous) emergency action. We will soon shift from a market-based economy to a political one in which the government picks winners and losers and extends its reach and power in unprecedented ways.”

  78. wbboei Says:

    January 29th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
    Hillary is responsible for the Lily Ledbetter bill. Pelosi was strictly a bureaucratic functionary. It is just a political lie and everyone know it. Taking credit for things she did not do is another line of attack against her. This should be interesting.

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    Sec. Clinton was at the signing.

    abcnews.go.com/GMA/President44/story?id=6757817&page=1

    Calling pay equity not a women’s issue but a family issue, President Obama today signed a new bill seeking to end decades-long pay disparities between men and women.

    Joined in the East Room of the White House by Nancy Pelosi, the first female speaker of the House, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, first lady Michelle Obama and Lilly Ledbetter, the 70-year-old tire plant supervisor for whom the bill is named, Obama said it was “fitting that the very first bill I signed — the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Restoration Act — is upholding one of this nation’s founding principles: That we are all created equal and each deserve a chance to pursue our own version of happiness.”

    The equal-pay bill ends a 2007 U.S. Supreme Court decision saying that employees had only 180 days to file pay-discrimination lawsuits and is expected to make it easier for workers to sue for decades-long discrimination.

    snip

    I was initially humiliated. I felt degraded,” Ledbetter has said of her feelings about the pay disparity.

    The new legislation allows lawsuits to be brought years later, as long as the alleged pay disparity is continuing.

    The new legislation isn’t limited to gender-based discrimination. It amends the 1964 Civil Rights Act and also applies to discrimination based on factors such as race, religion, national origin, disability or age.

    In signing this bill today, I intend to send a clear message that making our economy work means making sure it works for everyone,” Obama told the approximately 150 people assembled, including members of Congress and women’s and labor groups that have long been advocates of the bill.

    The gaggle of senators and congressman, almost all Democrats, stood on the dais of the East Room: Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. Sens. Barbara Mikulski, D-Maryland, Dick Durbin, D-Ill., Patty Murray, D-Wash., Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., and Pat Leahy, D-Vermont. Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Maryland, and Reps. Jerrold Nadler, D-NY, Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn., and Rob Andrews, D-NJ.

    “This is what change looks like,” quipped the diminutive Mikulski, the chief Senate sponsor of the bill, to the crowd of advocates.

    Two Republicans were in attendance at the event as well — Maine’s GOP Sens. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins.

  79. ABM90

    ABM90 Says:
    January 29th, 2009 at 7:30 am

    The BRM are keeping up all kinds of false information
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    ABM90

    What is BRM? Assume M is for Media, but BR?

  80. wbboei Says:

    January 28th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
    Obama’s Bill Hands ACORN $5.2 Billion Bailout

    Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:06 PM

    By: David A. Patten Article Font Size

    Newsmax

    A rising chorus of GOP leaders are protesting that the blockbuster Democratic stimulus package would provide up to a whopping $5.2 billion for ACORN, the left-leaning nonprofit group under federal investigation for massive voter fraud.

    Most of the money is secreted away under an item in the now $836 billion package titled “Neighborhood Stabilization Programs.”

    Ordinarily, neighborhood stabilization funds are distributed to local governments. But revised language in the stimulus bill would make the funds available directly to non-profit entities such as ACORN, the low-income housing organization whose pro-Democrat voter-registration activities have been blasted by Republicans. ACORN is cited by some for tipping the scales in the Democrats’ favor in November.

    According to Fox news, Sen. David Vitter, R-La., could appear to be a “payoff” for community groups’ partisan political activities in the last election cycle.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    When Bush used the government (in numerous ways, such as politically motivated firings of US attourneys) to further the Republicans, the Left was properly in an uproar. “No fair!!”. “Impeach Bush.” “Usurper”.

    Will they have objections to Obama when he pulls the same sh*t, except for a different set of groups who are doing the old Quid-Pro-Quo samba?

  81. From USA Today:

    By: Mark Memmott and Jill Lawrence

    Thursday, January 29, 2009

    Vote for the stimulus, or else:

    Honey didn’t work, so now the Democrats are going to the stick.

    A coalition of liberal Democratic groups — including Americans United for Change, MoveOn.org Political Action, AFSCME and SEIU — will run 30-second TV spots starting today in four states and Washington, D.C., that urge five GOP senators to support the Senate’s $888 billion economic stimulus plan. This comes a day after the House’s $819 billion stimulus plan got a total of zero Republican votes.

    The targeted senators: Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine, Judd Gregg of New Hampshire, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Charles Grassley of Iowa.

    The ad, called “Factory,” features audio clips of President Obama delivering speeches about the need to create jobs to fix a “crisis unlike any we have seen in our lifetime,” while viewers see images of an empty factory suddenly filling up with cars, workers and equipment.

    Jeremy Funk, a spokesman for Americans United for Change, says the ad campaign will cost $500,000 and will run until the Senate vote, which could come next week. The targets were selected largely because they are “moderate Republicans that we think we would have the best chance of convincing to do the right thing,” Funk says.

    The Maine senators may not need much convincing.

    In the Senate Appropriations Committee, Collins was one of four Republicans to vote for a $366 billion spending portion of the plan. And Snowe was the only Republican on the Senate Finance Committee to vote for the plan’s $522 billion in tax cuts, incentives and investments.

    blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/

  82. They threaten, bribed, coersed, twisted arms, etc the Superdelegates at the convention. I guess that was just practice for actual ruling of the country. If it works, and no one stops you, why not.

  83. I listened to most of Blagojevich closing arguments. I agree that this would”
    1. set a very very bad precedent for the future of all elected officials that a corrupt machine could use to do away with what semblance of democracy is left
    2. that others should go down before him if he is to go down [Richardson, Rangel et al]
    3. that as an American he deserves to be treated equal to all those others named [Emmanuel, McCain et al]
    4. that they were complicit in some of the actions they are holding againt Blag
    5. that helping seniors and infants with cutting costs on medicine – it is mho that it is criminal for the state[s] NOT to pursue the low cost, exactly same drugs that are needed for well being and someone are lifesavers that are produced in the same plants and yet cost so much in American that many and I do many seniors have to choose FOOD or MEDICINE!

    This trial without a jury and without an adequate defense on the accused’s part seems to me to be akin to a witchhunt or a LYNCHING – and the Huckster’s friends in the Chicago Combine of Corruption should know something about.

    Just hearing him speak, sans teleprompter, I found him to be believable. I feel sure he has done wrong, but more wrong than the Huckster, the DNC, Richardson, and any other standing politician????

  84. ShortTermer

    I still fail to understand the difference between what he did, and how O got the Superdelegates, before and during the convention. O paid to play with the superdelegates.

  85. Bambam’s approval numbers down by 10+ points since Monday, according to Real Clear Politics.

    President Obama Job Approval
    RCP Average
    Approve
    63.5
    Disapprove
    19.3

  86. NewMexicoFan Says:

    January 29th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
    ShortTermer

    I still fail to understand the difference between what he did, and how O got the Superdelegates, before and during the convention. O paid to play with the superdelegates.
    &&&&&&&&&

    So far as we know, up to this point, Obama’s deals were covert enough not to be let out in the open. But as more get thrown under the bus, we shall see if people start to come forward with quid pro quo allegations.

    Blago’s deals were more overt, but he may just be smart enough to have found a way to weasel out of it. “I was only joking!” “Dog ate my cell phone”. “A grand conspiracy!”.

  87. Here’s our Change— Chicago style:

    If I were a Rep senator, I’d be pissed to be on the receiving end of this.

    WASHINGTON (AFP) – After a failed “charm offensive,” US President Barack Obama and his allies unleashed a hard-hitting campaign Thursday to break defiant Republicans’ thus-far united opposition to his economic stimulus plan.

    The strategy called for millions of labor union members to telephone Republicans from hard-hit states, coupled with an aggressive television advertising campaign targeting potentially vulnerable Republican senators.

    The ad featured Obama’s warnings about the economic crisis he inherited from George W. Bush and invited viewers in Maine, New Hampshire, Alaska, and Iowa to tell their senators “support the Obama plan for jobs not the failed policies of the past,” according to the script.

    And the White House did not deny a report by Politico.com that it planned a state-by-state effort, highlighting job losses, to pressure lawmakers on the stimulus plan.

    The aggressive tactics came after Obama’s week-long charm offensive failed to win over even a single Republican when the House of Representatives voted 244-188 to pass the 819-billion-dollar measure.

    Obama invited leaders from both parties and both chambers to the White House on Friday, held private talks with Senate and House Republicans on Tuesday, and invited lawmakers over for cocktails late Wednesday after the vote.

    Obama is “disappointed” but (get this)

    “knows it’s going to take longer than a few days to change the way Washington works,”

    spokesman Robert Gibbs said in a round of US television network interviews. “His hand will continue to be extended.”

  88. Who was it that posted the easy way to call a member of Congress.

    I’d like to use it to support Iowa’s Rep senator.

  89. Emjay: BRM is my new title for the group that is one of the greatest threats to any democracy anywhere on this earth.
    BRM to me means ” Back Room Media “.It has absolutely has no resemblance to the great journalistic giants of the past,that reported the news and did not try to shape the news to their political ambitions.There are exceptions but they are becoming scarce.

    By ABM90. Thank you for your contributions to my burning desire to see our Hillary become the most important person in the world to reach out with her calming wisdom and capable hands in reviving world wide peace and save civilization for all.

  90. Emjay Says:

    January 29th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
    Bambam’s approval numbers down by 10+ points since Monday, according to Real Clear Politics.

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    Boy that was quick! Mr. Obama (never going to call him “president:), please continue doing whatever you’ve been doing so far. Maybe your approval numbers will tank all the way to the bottom in no time!

  91. By: Mark Memmott and Jill Lawrence

    Thursday, January 29, 2009

    Senate GOP leader: Reach out or stay a minority party

    Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky delivered a sober message today to the Republican National Committee about the state of the party:

    We’re all concerned about the fact that the very wealthy and the very poor, the most and least educated, and a majority of minority voters, seem to have more or less stopped paying attention to us. And we should be concerned that, as a result of all this, the Republican Party seems to be slipping into a position of being more of a regional party than a national one. In politics, there’s a name for a regional party: it’s called a minority party.

    A day before the 168 RNC members vote in a six-way race for party chairman, McConnell recounted GOP losses in the last two elections (13 Senate seats, 51 House seats and the White House) and offered his prescription for recovery. He said the problem lies with outreach, not substance:

    We know that commonsense conservative principles aren’t regional. But I think we have to admit that our sales job has been. … We need to communicate our ideas to everyone who ran away from the Republican Party in November — and to many others. And we need to show them that our policies are developed with a human being in view, not just an abstract principle. As we do this, we should avoid the false choice of being a party of moderates or conservatives. America is diverse. The two major parties should be too. But this doesn’t mean turning our backs on commonsense conservatism, or tailoring our positions to suit particular groups. Our principles are universal. They apply to everyone.

    McConnell’s office says the whole speech, called “The Path Forward,” will be available soon on his website.

    blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/

  92. debbie at 2:17 PM: thanks for thomas; had forgotten and it is a treasure
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    DJIA as posted at Reuters: -224.45
    Guess stockholders are disappointed that dems did not pass another stimulus today.

  93. # NewMexicoFan Says:
    January 28th, 2009 at 9:04 am

    Re Judas, you said:

    He has a big deficit to work out, and no job in Washington.

    May I add another little problem he has… a $1.6 M dollar house in DC, in which he was going to entertain other Cabinet members and those who wanted to grease the hand steering the Commerce Dept.

    Those who were going to buy already have. Judas may have a white elephant on his hands, at least for a while. Can you imagine the mortgage payment?

  94. From NYT:

    White House Unbuttons Formal Dress Code

    By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

    Published: January 28, 2009

    WASHINGTON — The capital flew into a bit of a tizzy when, on his first full day in the White House, President Obama was photographed in the Oval Office without his suit jacket. There was, however, a logical explanation: Mr. Obama, who hates the cold, had cranked up the thermostat.

    Mr. Obama has exhibited a relatively informal working relationship with aides like his staff secretary, Lisa Brown.

    “He’s from Hawaii, O.K.?” said Mr. Obama’s senior adviser, David Axelrod, who occupies the small but strategically located office next door to his boss. “He likes it warm. You could grow orchids in there.”

    Thus did an ironclad rule of the George W. Bush administration — coat and tie in the Oval Office at all times — fall by the wayside, only the first of many signs that a more informal culture is growing up in the White House under new management. Mr. Obama promised to bring change to Washington and he has — not just in substance, but in presidential style.

    Although his presidency is barely a week old, some of Mr. Obama’s work habits are already becoming clear. He shows up at the Oval Office shortly before 9 in the morning, roughly two hours later than his early-to-bed, early-to-rise predecessor. Mr. Obama likes to have his workout — weights and cardio — first thing in the morning, at 6:45. (Mr. Bush slipped away to exercise midday.)

    He reads several papers, eats breakfast with his family and helps pack his daughters, Malia, 10, and Sasha, 7, off to school before making the 30-second commute downstairs — a definite perk for a man trying to balance work and family life. He eats dinner with his family, then often returns to work; aides have seen him in the Oval Office as late as 10 p.m., reading briefing papers for the next day.

    “Even as he is sober about these challenges, I have never seen him happier,” Mr. Axelrod said. “The chance to be under the same roof with his kids, essentially to live over the store, to be able to see them whenever he wants, to wake up with them, have breakfast and dinner with them — that has made him a very happy man.”

    In the West Wing, Mr. Obama is a bit of a wanderer. When Mr. Bush wanted to see a member of his staff, the aide was summoned to the Oval Office. But Mr. Obama tends to roam the halls; one day last week, he turned up in the office of his press secretary, Robert Gibbs, who was in the unfortunate position of having his feet up on the desk when the boss walked in.

    “Wow, Gibbs,” the press secretary recalls the president saying. “Just got here and you already have your feet up.” Mr. Gibbs scrambled to stand up, surprising Mr. Obama, who is not yet accustomed to having people rise when he enters a room.

    Under Mr. Bush, punctuality was a virtue. Meetings started early — the former president once locked Secretary of State Colin L. Powell out of the Cabinet Room when Mr. Powell showed up a few minutes late — and ended on time. In the Obama White House, meetings start on time and often finish late.

    When the president invited Congressional leaders to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue last week to talk about his economic stimulus package, the session ran so long that Mr. Obama wound up apologizing to the lawmakers — even as he kept them talking, engaging them in the details of the legislation far more than was customary for Mr. Bush.

    “He was concerned that he was keeping us,” said Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, the Republican whip. “He said, ‘I know we need to get you all out of here at a certain time.’ But we continued the discussion. What are you going to say? It’s the president.”

    If Mr. Obama’s clock is looser than Mr. Bush’s, so too are his sartorial standards. Over the weekend, Mr. Obama’s first in office, his aides did not quite know how to dress. Some showed up in the West Wing in jeans (another no-no under Mr. Bush), some in coats and ties.

    So the president issued an informal edict for “business casual” on weekends — and set his own example. He showed up Saturday for a briefing with his chief economic adviser, Lawrence H. Summers, dressed in slacks and a gray sweater over a white buttoned-down shirt. Workers from the Bush White House are shocked.

    “I’ll never forget going to work on a Saturday morning, getting called down to the Oval Office because there was something he was mad about,” said Dan Bartlett, who was counselor to Mr. Bush. “I had on khakis and a buttoned-down shirt, and I had to stand by the door and get chewed out for about 15 minutes. He wouldn’t even let me cross the threshold.”

    Mr. Obama has also brought a more relaxed sensibility to his public appearances. David Gergen, an adviser to both Republican and Democratic presidents, said Mr. Obama seemed to exude an “Aloha Zen,” a kind of comfortable calm that, Mr. Gergen said, reflects a man who “seems easy going, not so full of himself.”

    At the Capitol on Tuesday, Mr. Obama startled lawmakers by walking up to the microphones in a Senate corridor to talk to reporters, as if he were still a senator. Twice, during formal White House ceremonies, Mr. Obama called out to aides as television cameras rolled, as he did on Monday when the director of the Environmental Protection Agency, Lisa P. Jackson, asked for a presidential pen.

    “Hey, Lisa,” Mr. Obama called out to his staff secretary, Lisa Brown, “does she get this pen?”

    Like Mr. Bush and other presidents before him, Mr. Obama typically begins his work day with a top-secret intelligence briefing on security threats against the United States. Mr. Bush received the “president’s daily brief” Monday through Saturday; Mr. Obama gets the briefing on Sunday as well.

    But sometimes Mr. Obama’s economic briefing, a new addition to the presidential schedule, comes first. Its attendees vary depending on the day, aides said. On Tuesday, the newly sworn-in Treasury secretary, Timothy F. Geithner, joined Mr. Summers to talk about financial and credit markets. On Wednesday, Paul A. Volcker, the former chairman of the Federal Reserve and informal Obama adviser, was on hand to discuss regulatory reform.

    Mr. Obama has also maintained the longstanding presidential tradition of weekly lunches with his vice president. For Mr. Obama, lunch generally means a cheeseburger, chicken or fish in his small dining room off the Oval Office. There is also a new addition to White House cuisine: the refrigerators are stocked with the president’s favorite organic brew: Honest Tea, in Mr. Obama’s preferred flavors of Black Forest Berry and Green Dragon.

    If there is one thing Mr. Obama has not gotten around to changing, it is the Oval Office décor.

    When Mr. Bush moved in, he exercised his presidential decorating prerogatives and asked his wife, Laura, to supervise the design of a new rug. Mr. Bush loved to regale visitors with the story of the rug, whose sunburst design, he liked to say, was intended to evoke a feeling of optimism.

    The rug is still there, as are the presidential portraits Mr. Bush selected — one of Washington, one of Lincoln — and a collection of decorative green and white plates. During a meeting last week with retired military officials, before he signed an executive order shutting down the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, Mr. Obama surveyed his new environs with a critical eye.

    “He looked around,” said one of his guests, retired Rear Adm. John D. Hutson, “and said, ‘I’ve got to do something about these plates. I’m not really a plates kind of guy.’ ”

    nytimes.com/2009/01/29/us/politics/29whitehouse.html?ref=politics

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    Not impressed. Yes he is a family man…but….

  95. Anyone have contact info for Arlin Specter.
    Tried website something wrong there and kept getting page unavailable when I tried going through a list of all congress persons.
    I got a robocall the day before the last House vote which prompted me to press a button to be connected to my Republican House Rep and let him know I wanted him to support bambi’s travesty. As if.

  96. “Mr. Obama, who hates the cold, had cranked up the thermostat.”

    What was it said on the campaign trail about our thermostats?

  97. I tried to read the summaries done collectively by the Pumas(each volunteered to read 10 pages and give a synopsis). Confused as to why the medical information sharing bit is in there and surprised there is not an uproar. What info will be there if a woman opts for an abortion will that be there, an std a chronic disease like hep c? Who will have access? I had open heart surgery 30 + years ago as a child but if an employer requires a physical or an insurance company does will my overall health be calculated like a credit score and then shown to a potential employer.
    And isn’t it ironic that the man who would not provide full disclosure of his own health wants to require it of all of us?

  98. Emjay

    Yes, it might be hard to keep up the payments, but right now he live rent free in the Gov mansion. However, that could change.

    As far as the thermostat is concerned, is that not energy wasteful? I would think he would set an example. If I remember correctly, he was talking about properly inflating your tires to maximize the gas in the car. So, I think the Oval Office themostat should be set to 69 degress, and he can wear long joins.

  99. NMF
    I cannot remember where he was when he said it but he said something about we had to get used to not setting our thermostats at a comfortable 68 degrees, alas but those were just words?

  100. Can’t wait for the ad come midterm elections with his famous words speech followed by snippits of his flip flops?

  101. so now that they have exiled Blago, what is there to stop him from ‘singing’ every song he knows about everyone in the cesspool? it seems he must know a lot about many people and all the shenighans that goes on there…

    in some ways, doesn’t throwing him out ‘liberate’ him and now what does he have to lose if he takes others down or uses that as leverage with Fitz?

  102. Was Blago a superdelegate to the Dims convention? I wonder what he was promised for his vote, and if he will sing about it. I would think Blago would bring it up just as an example to prove he had done nothing wrong, as it happen at the convention.

    Of course he might be saving it as his get out of jail free card. But then, you already have spent time in jail. I wonder what would happen if he did bring that up. It would be kind of dammed if you do and dammed if you don’t.

  103. Emjay: Far be it for me to pick and choose the news outlets that I consider dishonest in their fashioning of the current events and the people that they target for unfair stories.It is imperative that each of us must read,study,evaluate and decide for ourselves.Being aware and imformed should guide our opinions.I think the old statement of “IF THE SHOE FITS ” is a favorite of mine and ageless.Editorials are no longer just an opinion but are more of a command for us to heel to the biased and dishonest
    editors.I am so pleased that Hillary is in a position that open to all news organizations around the world.She is true to her word and off to an amazing start as SoS and keeping us and the world informed of her activities and her goals for world peace.

    By ABM90. Thank you friend

  104. Maya Angelou is not the only now that will know why the caged bird sings.

    Sing, Blago, Sing. Sing. Sing. I don’t care if you can not carry a tune in a bucket……just sing!!!!!!

  105. JanH Says:

    January 28th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
    Emjay,

    I stand by my overall dislike of Carter but, I apologize if my remarks about a “snub” were erroneous. I heard about the incident second hand. I had no reason at the time to second guess the person who told me.
    ******************************

    I saw the video, it was def a snub!

  106. Shorttermer
    I wish I could believe that Blago had something to say but I have my doubts with the stimulas package having his name mentionned as a condition, Face it everyone around him has been bought. Who is going to sing?
    On another topic I have done a lot of temp work in my life and I would say yes in many environments a casual dress code is conduscive to an artistic approach to a problem but artists are not ruling the rest of the world.

  107. h stuff before the slash, but no w’s:

    \hotair.com/archives/2009/01/29/the-age-of-obama-heat-for-me-but-not-for-thee/

    I came across this as I was reading from Yahoo’s news on Blago and that the state of IL is getting nothing done…..this article chronicles the statement of the Huckster about the thermostat……
    “Heat for Me, but not for thee,” indeed!!! Maybe we should buzz this article up.

  108. Henry, it is my belief that Blago knows a lot of the criminal acts by many IL politicians. And while I do not believe that the IL governing body should have ousted him before he was found guilty of anything….I do believe that Fitz knows what he is doing, and the ousting of Blago may have made Fitz look good in Blago’s eyes. That is why I said Sing, Blago, Sing – to Fitzgerald.

  109. ShortTermer

    I had forgot about those tenants in his district living in Rezko slums who went without heat. Kind of ironic.

  110. Gonzotx and JanH, I am from the deep south as is Jimmy Carter [whom I will no longer honor with the word of President] and Rosalyn and I know a snub by a southerner when I see one. I do not care how many hours he and Rosalyn spent talking to Bill and Hill, this snub was so obvious that we would not even have to draw a child a picture of it.

    Jimmy Carter lost all my respect when he said he was voting for the Huckster because HIS CHILDREN HAD ASKED OR TOLD HIM TOO. What a thing for a former CIC to say; I did not vote my conscience, I voted my children’s conscience – as if he were not the elder, that he did not have more experience, and that he did not possess a superior knowledge of what is going on in the world of politics and our nation. Shame on him!!!!

  111. NewMexicoFan Says:
    January 29th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    Breaking news: They have ousted Blag in Illinois.

    …………….couldnt happen to a nicer guy, now lets see if he sings like a canary before they can give him concrete boots.

  112. “Mr. Obama, who hates the cold, had cranked up the thermostat.”

    …………..aah so thats why he never ever could go to see those freezing old people in Rezko’s slum tenements in his district that he authorised and had their heating all cut off, now i get it, bambams was too cold to go out.

  113. This is a mixed bag for the bad guys. Good in the sense that he will be off the front page. Bad in the sense that he now has a motive for retribution and will be more inclined than ever to name names.

  114. May I ask that Maya Angelou’s I KNow Why the Caged Bird Sings not be used in association with Blago or bambi as the work is profound. And the author stood behind Hillary all of the way. It is one of very few books I keep as it is one of very fewer that I have felt the need to read again(a book I enjoyed is better off at the library or given to a guy selling used books on the street than sitting dead on a bookshelf ready to impress myself or others)
    I know the term sings is common when dealing with criminals and it disturbs me that Maya’s work is taken like that. As I read and reread the works by Angelou I am humbled by her craft and I loathe to think that she was not considering all of us when she puts pen to paper. All of us meaning the potential to fly.

  115. wbboei

    its a case of that Blago is no longer having to ko tow to them, they cut him loose which actually is the worst scenario, he’s a loose cannon now and Blago does look like the sort of guy to me who will sit down and get fucked over for nobody, he fought for his job, now he’s no longer in it, he has no reason to protect anyone, he’ll blow the lid off into outer space when he goes kaboom.

  116. James Earl Carter is a mean-spirited vindictive headcase who thinks he is Gods presence on earth. He reminds me of John Brown at Harpers Ferry as the actor Raymond Massey portrayed him. That same sort of come hell or high water sense of self righteousness. A little scarey.

  117. its a case of that Blago is no longer having to ko tow to them, they cut him loose which actually is the worst scenario, he’s a loose cannon now and Blago does look like the sort of guy to me who will sit down and get fucked over for nobody, he fought for his job, now he’s no longer in it, he has no reason to protect anyone, he’ll blow the lid off into outer space when he goes kaboom.
    ——————
    yes.

    I think they have a dangerous adversary on their hands now.

  118. Wonderful headline, i like this woman.

    Arrogant at home, naive abroad. America is already suffering ‘buyer’s regret’ over Obama

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1131552/MARY-ELLEN-SYNON-Arrogant-home-naive-abroad-America-suffering-buyers-regret-Obama.html

    Obama wants to close Guantanamo, well Two men already released from Gitmo turned up six days ago on a video posted on a jihadist website. A US counter-terrorism official told AFP news service that one of them is a Saudi man called Abu Sufyan al-Azdi al-Shahri who on his release was taken into the senior ranks of Al-Qaeda in Yemen.

    If he or any of the other 245 turns up as part of another jihadist atrocity, the new president is going to have to have more to say than, ‘Gosh, whoops.’

    The big spending and the big arrogance are why Obama’s support is already falling. During the transition from the Bush administration to the new administration – that is, during the weeks in which Obama kept near-quiet and had to do nothing – his ratings in the Gallup opinion poll were 83 percent. After just three days in office, Gallup showed his support had already dropped by 15 points to 68 percent.

    As any economist will tell you, what is important in a statistic is not the number, it’s the trend. In this case, the trend is down, and fast. Americans are already having buyer’s regret about their new president.

    Then of course there is his naiveté in foreign policy. A few days ago he gave an embarrassingly-wet interview on Arab-owned television and offered unconditional talks to Iran.

  119. I’m not sure just how much ammunition Blago has in his arsenal. He just seems like such a big windbag to me.

    I also wonder how legal his impeachment was. Does he have reason for an appeal of sorts?

  120. i say one thing blago has quite a few friends..even spanish ones..i do not believe he is crazy no way infacy i tink he is very smart ..he said he has more to say to everyone about the inside of the politics oh boy he will sing

  121. JanH Says:
    January 29th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    I’m not sure just how much ammunition Blago has in his arsenal. He just seems like such a big windbag to me.

    ………………Jan, you don’t get to be Gov of Illinois like Blago and mix with the Daleys without having balls, brains and a ruthless streak in you, he has dirt on a lot of people you can bank on it and he’ll squeeze them until they bleed, when gangsters go down and make no mistake Blago is on par with being a gangster, they either will take the look after route or i’m going to take out your entire family for what you did route, whats he gonna do, 1, 2 or both.

  122. Blago

    They wanted to marginalize him and his impeachment and behavior may well have done it.
    It’s like investigating the murder of a prostitute, they just don’t give a shit. Will say he is crazy, he no longer holds office, will be difficult for him to be considered serious.

  123. I wonder if he will stay out of the news. He was master at it when he took control of the naming of the Sen for Illinois, and also leading up to this impeachment.

  124. moon,

    remember how there have been references here and there by many of us to Hitler and the Holocaust and Obama and his handlers actions in the last year?

    Well, this thing with Blago reminds me of Raoul Wallenberg. In WWII, this amazing man bribed Hungarian officials to make over 4500 Swedish passports
    that allowed Jews, if they could prove any connection to Sweden no matter how dubious, to leave Hungary.

    And then, thanks to the Russians, he mysteriously disappeared into their prison system, never to be heard from again. His prison files destroyed and only their word that he died while in prison.

    I’m starting to believe that anyone who dares to speak out, i.e. Blago, will find himself disappearing into the woodwork as well. I know its probably just paranoia on my part.

  125. Fox joyfully announcing a suit filed by judicial watch to have Hillary removed from office because her appointment was a constitutional violation.They never give up trying to destroy the Clintons.They were instrumental in an attempt to impeach Bill.I wonder if the BHO fingerprints are on this under the bus scenario.
    After all he used her to get himself elected.This is truly a time of power seeking vultures to get control of our democratic process and destroy it and the patriots that have preserved it for all Americans.

    By ABM90. .Who have we elected and how can we stop this movement of evil enemies within?

  126. I hope he doesnt disappear he needs to sing first

    all the voters in the USA I think have learn a lesson in this election..and Lotts are getting real smart so maybe we can have different politicians every 2 to 4 years not the same ones it gets old hearing they dont do nothing..COngress pelosi reid have not doen nothing for 2 years … OUST them

    we pay for the heat ..and Obambam should have that thermo set at 68 degrees his bunch of lies just irritate me..the Biggest fraud ever do not trust this guy i hope blago squeals and fight on rod keep fighting…
    OBam

  127. ABM90 Says:

    January 29th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
    Fox joyfully announcing a suit filed by judicial watch to have Hillary removed from office because her appointment was a constitutional violation.

    —————————-

    This just makes me see red.

  128. i just saw in the NY daily news that they have a”where in the world in hillary clinton” map… they are going to follow her around the world while she is SOS. also saw in NY daily news a fantastic picture of hillary at the signing of the one’s bill yesterday.

  129. I just don’t understand why they hate the Clintons so much. Maybe I’m being naive but they really need to get lives of their own.

  130. they can impeach blago but why dont they impeach chris dodd and rangel.and bill richardson he is a gov. corrupt one too…i hope they all get voted out all of the dems of the congress and the governors who are taking advantage of a job and robbing it for there political gain..
    and forbidden us to Live free and happy In the Land of the free.. that they were elected by the people.. us the American people..I bet you all could do 100 times better than any of them in there right now except hillary

    Its time the voters all get smart this go around in 2010 we need to find the most qualified and most trusted ones to be elected in all 50 states

  131. Associated Press via Google

    Lawsuit argues Clinton ineligible for state post

    By NEDRA PICKLER – 1 hour ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — A conservative watchdog group filed a lawsuit Thursday arguing that Hillary Rodham Clinton cannot legally serve as secretary of state, even though she was sworn in last week.

    The suit is based on an obscure section of the Constitution on compensation for public officials, the emoluments clause. The clause says no member of Congress can be appointed to a government post if that job’s pay was increased during the lawmaker’s current term.

    Clinton was serving in Congress when the secretary of state’s salary was raised to its current level of $191,300. So that Clinton could take the post, Congress last month lowered the salary to $186,600, the level when she began her second Senate term. A similar tactic has been used so that several other members of Congress from both parties could serve in the Cabinet.

    Judicial Watch, which has pursued several suits against Clinton and other officials over the years, argues there can be no exceptions to the clause.

    The group says that Hillary Clinton is “constitutionally ineligible” to be secretary of state until 2013, when her second Senate term would expire. She resigned from the Senate to take the Cabinet post.

    Judicial Watch filed the suit on behalf of State Department employee David Rodearmel. It says Rodearmel would violate the oath he took as a foreign service officer in 1991 to “support and defend” and “bear true faith and allegiance” to the Constitution by working for Clinton.

    A State Department spokesman declined to respond to the case.

    google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jL7OH5Er2ZGogvHSmicgeZ6faEFAD9614JSG0

  132. Judicial watch is a farce. Ignore them. This case is a non starter. It should be dismissed through summary judgment. I think the nation is at risk as long as there are idiots in our State Department like this David Rodearmel. I bet this moron is real popular with his coworkers. Leave it to AP maggots like Pickelhead and Phooey to print this kind of garbage.

  133. Gonzotex and Shorttermer

    I haven’t lived in the deep south, just on Piedmont Dr in Atlanta, across from the park.

    So perhaps you are right about the snub… bless your hearts.

  134. call me naive, but it seemed like that illinois legislature were like a pack of vultures who wanted Blago out so they could take control and put their people in…i just do not get an altuistic feeling from that bunch…these are not do-gooders by any stretch…

    matthews had some of them on and they could not even justify why they impeached him…they embarrass themselves…the whole thing feels like one big farce to me…they pushed him out so they can take over and continue doing the same thing…they are all doing what they impeached him for…the whole govt is pay for play…the lobbyists…if most of them were caught on tape they would probably be just as “impeachable” as Blago…he may be a crook, I do not know…but one thing I agree with is “the Fix was in” they want his power and now they have got it…

    seems like a battle of turfs…like i said, maybe i am naive, but it seems obvious to me…how dumb do these politicians think we are…

  135. wbboei is right. Judicial Watch’s lawsuits against the Clintons have never gone anywhere. And there’s lots of precedent here with Cabinet members coming from the Senate and their salary being adjusted (Lloyd Bentsen as Treasury secretary, for example).

    They don’t have a leg to stand on.

  136. BTW, of all the promises Obama made, absolutely the dumbest was saying he would “change Washington.” No one ever changes Washington. But the Bots who actually believed it are even more naive/stupid.

  137. Emjay Says:
    January 29th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
    Who was it that posted the easy way to call a member of Congress.

    =========================

    I’ve got it posted permanently at PumaResponders.blogspot.com, right sidebar.

    Contact number for ALL Congressmen and Senators:
    1-877-762-8762

    Send email directly to your Representative:
    http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

  138. Emjay Says:
    January 29th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
    Who was it that posted the easy way to call a member of Congress.

    =========================

    I’ve got it posted permanently at PumaResponders.blogspot.com, right sidebar.

    Contact number for ALL Congressmen and Senators:
    1-877-762-8762

    Send email directly to your Representative:
    h……/ no w’s
    visi.com/juan/congress/

  139. JanH Says:
    January 29th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
    I just don’t understand why they hate the Clintons so much. Maybe I’m being naive but they really need to get lives of their own.

    ==========================

    RFK Jr wrote a piece early in the campaign about rightwing hatred toward FDR and JFK and the other Kennedys. Hatred toward the Clintons began at least while they were Governor of Arkansas.

    Why the Kennedys and Pelosi etc dislike the Clintons may be different, as they are both more liberal than the rightwingers. However, the Clintons, as centrists, may be getting it from both sides.

  140. Found at thenewagenda.net:

    Download David Denby the Diane Rehm Show 1/27/09

    h…../
    wamu.org/programs/dr/
    11:00 am David Denby “Snark”
    A real statement on Maureen Dowd’s style of communication. He specifically discusses her approach (and others with like styling) in a discussion dissecting the nature of irresponsible political discourse.

  141. Some were not happy with one of our recent article titles and beginning section of the article. Near heart attacks were alleged. 🙂

    http://www.hillaryis44.org/2009/01/27/breaking-news-new-hillary-clinton-scandal-shakes-state-department-others-implicated/

    Now we’ve gone and annoyed Soldier4Hillary. Yikes! Now we are really in trouble. Our apologies to Soldier4Hillary.

    http://anvp.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/false-title-breaking-news-new-hillary-clinton-scandal-shakes-state-department-others-implicated-almost-cause-hospitalization/

    If Sugar gets annoyed we’ll really be in for it.

    If any of you have an account or comment at Soldier4Hillary’s website, please extend our apologies.

  142. God bless you and this site…I was so depressed until I found others whom felt as outraged as I did during this election. This site is a gift to those of us who, from the beginning, saw the underlying unfairness that Hillary, and woman in general, were being subjected to by the MSM. I salute you and the fellow posters who are so informative and passionate. Keep up the good fight, and in the end, Hillary may yet , rightfully claim her place in history as our first female President.

  143. Keep up the good fight, and in the end, Hillary may yet , rightfully claim her place in history as our first female President.
    _________________________

    …………..and the 44th American! 🙂

  144. From the Hartford Courant:

    Barack Obama on Gov. Rod Blagojevich

    By Christopher Keating on January 29, 2009

    Gov. Rod Blagojevich was convicted today after an impeachment trial at the state Capitol in Illinois.

    President Barack Obama released the following statement on the impeachment:

    “Today ends a painful episode for Illinois. For months, the state had been crippled by a crisis of leadership. Now that cloud has lifted. I wish Governor Quinn the best and pledge my full cooperation as he undertakes his new responsibilities.”

    blogs.courant.com/capitol_watch/2009/01/barack-obama-on-gov-rod-blagoj.html

    ————————–

    Pot calling the kettle…..

  145. Good Morning all

    Admin, again, the reaction to that col is an indication of how people feel about your information and honestly. I don’t doubt that this probably was picked up from the title only, and on fire for a while.

    I wonder what happen in HRCs office.

  146. NYT:

    Adviser Who Made Clinton ‘Monster’ Comment May Become Obama Aide

    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
    January 29, 2009

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Samantha Power, the Harvard University professor and Pulitzer Prize-winning author who earned notoriety for calling Hillary Rodham Clinton a ”monster” while working to elect Barack Obama president, will take a senior foreign policy job at the White House, The Associated Press has learned.

    Officials familiar with the decision say Obama has tapped Power to be senior director for multilateral affairs at the National Security Council, a job that will require close contact and potential travel with Clinton, who is now secretary of state. NSC staffers often accompany the secretary of state on foreign trips.

    The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because Power’s position, as well as that of other senior NSC positions, have not yet been announced. One official said the announcements would be made in the near future.

    White House officials would not provide details of Power’s new role.

    Power was an early and ardent Obama supporter until the ”monster” comment forced her off his campaign, but she was rehabilitated after the election when she made a gesture to apologize to Clinton and was included in the transition teams for both the State Department and the U.S. mission to the United Nations.

    At the time, an official close to the transition said Power’s ”gesture to bury the hatchet” with Clinton had been well-received. Power and Clinton have met at least once since Clinton’s confirmation last week when they both appeared at a State Department ceremony at which Obama announced the appointment of special envoys to South Asia and the Middle East.

    Reporters at the event saw Power and Clinton chat briefly at the end, although the conversation was inaudible.

    Power, a noted human rights expert, made headlines last March during the height of the fierce fight for the Democratic presidential nomination when she called Clinton ”a monster” in an interview with a Scottish newspaper. Her remarks set off angry exchanges about the tenor of Obama’s campaign.

    Power told the Scotsman newspaper that Clinton would stop at nothing to defeat Obama. ”She is a monster, too,” Power said in the interview. ”She is stooping to anything.” Power added that ”the amount of deceit she has put forward is really unattractive.”

    A few hours after her comments were published, Power announced her resignation, saying the remarks were inexcusable and contradictory to her admiration for Clinton.

    She said Obama had rebuked her for the comment and ”made it absolutely clear that we just couldn’t make comments like this in his campaign.”

    Clinton’s campaign seized on the remark, sending an e-mail to supporters telling them about the ”monster” comment and asking for contributions to ”show the Obama campaign that there is a price to this kind of attack politics.”

    nytimes.com/aponline/2009/01/29/washington/AP-Obama-Adviser.html?_r=1&ref=politics

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