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February 17, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Hillary Clinton Wants To Accomplish On Her Trip Overseas

10 Exchange U.S. dollars for currency that's worth something

9 Win respect defeating Japan's top-ranked sumo wrestler

8 Shift world's perception of America from "hated" to "extremely disliked"

7 Personally thank all of her illegal campaign donors

6 Three words: stylish Indonesian pantsuits

5 Visit burial site of revered Chinese military leader, General Tso

4 Get drunk with that Japanese finance minister guy

3 Convince China to switch from lead-tainted products to mercury-tainted products

2 Catch Chinese screening of Benjamin Button entitled "The Strange Adventures of Freaky Grandpa Baby"

1 Pick up carton of duty-free smokes for Obama

February 16, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Abraham lincoln Would Say If He Were Alive Today

10 "Sup?"

9 "I see Madonna's still a slut"

8 "Who's that handsome sumbitch on the five?"

7 "Is that free Grand Slam deal still going on at Denny's?"

6 "I just changed my Facebook status update to, Tthe 'ol rail splitter is chillaxing'"

5 "How do I get on 'Dancing with the Stars'?"

4 "Okay, Obama, you're from Illinois, too. We get it!"

3 "Hey Phelps, don't Bogart the weed!"

2 "What's the deal with Joaquin Phoenix?"

1 "A Broadway play? Uhhh, no thanks. I'm good."

January 28, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Overheard at the Meeting Between Barack Obama and the Republicans

10 "I miss the Clinton administration when we'd meet at Hooters"

9 "Can we wrap this up? I've got tickets to the 4:30 'Paul Blart: Mall Cop"

8 "Smoke break!"

7 "You fellas really need to take it easy on the Old Spice"

6 "Mr. President: don't misunderestimate the Republicans"

5 "Another smoke break!"

4 "What was the deal with Aretha Franklin's hat?"

3 "About that tax the rich stuff -- you were joking, right?"

2 "Sir, it's refreshing to have a Chief Executive who speaks in complete sentences"

1 "Senator Craig's offering his stimulus package in the men's room"

January 27, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Ways Rod Blagojevich Can Improve His Image

10 Star in new television series, "America's Funniest Haircuts"

9 Quit politics and become a fat, lovable mall cop

8 Start pronouncing last name with Jerry Lewis-like "BLAGOOOYYYJEVICH"

7 Offer a senate seat with no money down, zero percent interest

6 Team up with John Malkovich and Erin Brockovich for hot Malkovich-Brockovich-Blagojevich sex tape

5 Change his name to Barod Obamavich

4 Safely land an Airbus on the Hudson River

3 I don't know...how about showing up for his impeachment trial?

2 Wear sexy dresses, high heels and say, "You Betcha!"

1 Uhhh...resign?

January 16, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Signs Obama's Getting Nervious

10 New slogan: "Yes we can... or maybe not, it's hard to say"

9 In moment of confusion, requested a $300 billion bailout from the bailout industry

8 He's up to not smoking three packs a day

7 Friends say he's looking frail, shaky and...no, that's McCain

6 He's so stressed, doctors say he's developing a Sanjay in his Gupta

5 Been walking around muttering, "What the hell have I gotten myself into?"

4 Offered Governor of Illinois, Rod Blagojevich, $100,000 to buy his old Senate seat back

3 Standing on White House roof screaming, "Save us, Superman!"

2 Sweating like Bill Clinton when Hillary comes home early

1 He demanded a recount

January 8, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Barack Obama Plans To Fix The Economy

10 Encourage tourists to throw spare change in the Grand Canyon

9 End our dependence on foreign owls

8 Sell New Mexico to Mexico

7 Put a little of that bailout money on the Ravens plus 3 at Tennessee. Come on! It's a mortal lock!

6 Rent out the moon for weddings and Bar Mitzvahs

5 Lotto our way out of this son-of-a-bitch

4 Appear on "Deal or No Deal" and hope to choose the right briefcase

3 Bail out the adult film industry -- not sure how it helps, but it can't hurt

2 Release O.J. from prison, have him steal America's money from China

1 Stop talkin' and start Obama-natin'!

January 7, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Overheard At The Presidents' Lunch

10 "Sorry, you're not on the list, Mr. Gore"

9 "If Hillary calls, I've been here since Monday"

8 "Laura! More Mountain Dew!"

7 "You guys wanna see, 'Paul Blart: Mall Cop'?"

6 "Call the nurse -- George swallowed a napkin ring!"

5 "Hey Barack, wanna go with us to Cabo in March? Oh that's right, you have to work!"

4 "Kissey kissey"

3 "Obama? I think he's downstairs smoking a butt"

2 "Did you ever see a monkey sneezing?"

1 "I hope Clinton's unbuckling his belt because he's full"

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Naked To Mine Enemies

Sometimes you have no other recourse than to laugh at the Obama Drama buffoonery and backstabbings.

As we gear up to discuss (probably next week) the economic situation and the so-called “Stimulus” schemes we need to take note of some little noted ironies and telling incidents regarding the upcoming Third Bush Term.

No discussion of buffoonery is complete without the name Bill Richardson.

Bill Richardson who owes his sorry career to Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton lied repeatedly during the primary season to Bill Clinton about his future endorsement of Hillary. Bill Richardson, after repeated lies, after praising the value of experience during the primary debates, then backstabbed Hillary and Bill by endorsing the inexperienced and unqualified Barack Obama.

For being a Judas, the backstabbing Bill Richardson demanded a cabinet position. Richardson received the not so prestigious Commerce Secretary position. Subsequently, the stench of an Obamaesque Chicago pay-to-play scandal[s] forced Richardson to withdraw from the not-so-prestigious post.

The New York Times account of the sorry mess that is Bill Richardson included these informative tidbits which made us shake with laughter at the vetting incompetence of the Obama Chicago thugs:

But with the recent convictions on corruption charges of three officials who had held high state posts — two former state treasurers and the former speaker pro tem of the State Senate — the federal investigation is being carefully watched by the politicians and power brokers with whom Mr. Richardson has dealt in the past. Most politicians called for comment by reporters on Monday spoke cautiously, if at all. [snip]

Heath Haussamen, a former state capitol reporter for two New Mexico newspapers who now writes a blog, said in an interview Monday, “We’ve been dealing with scandal after scandal — it’s been a big mess.”

Of Mr. Richardson Mr. Haussamen said: “We call him the Teflon governor. We’ve all written a lot of stories about pay to play, and none of them have stuck. He plays the political game at a higher level than pretty much anyone in the state’s history and does it very successfully.” [snip]

But Mr. Sanchez, the state senator, said the governor’s successes had come in years when the state was flush with revenues from the oil, natural gas and mining industries. New Mexico must now cut or tax its way out of a deficit of about $450 million on a budget of about $6 billion.

Scandal after scandal – sounds like Chicago. Alas, it is not to be. It would have been amusing to have had the opportunity to watch a Bill Richardson Commerce Department compete with the Obama Chicago Crime Lords in the Corruption Olympics of the next four years.

But it was this sentence in the New York Times which caught our eyes and triggered the laughter:

John Grubesic, a lawyer and former state senator who fell out with the governor after he wrote an op-ed article that referred to him as “the flabby king,” said Mr. Richardson demanded loyalty and was quick to turn on those who disagreed with him.

We don’t make this up. Richardson prizes loyalty! Who would have guessed?

The Richardson loyalty story however was not the biggest laugh of the week for us. The comedian who tickled us was Congressman Conyers of Michigan. You’ll remember Congressman Conyers was the Obama shill in Michigan who helped ensure the voters of Michigan would be disenfranchised during the primary season. Here is what Congressman Conyers said which set off the gales of laughter:

Barack Obama’s rumored pick of TV-star surgeon Dr. Sanjay Gupta is drawing its first congressional fire, from a senior House Democrat who is rallying colleagues to oppose Gupta.[snip]

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), an ardent supporter of universal healthcare, on Thursday penned a letter to his congressional colleagues asserting the CNN medical correspondent “lacks the requisite experience” to be the nation’s top public health officer.

“It is not in the best interests of the nation to have someone like this who lacks the requisite experience needed to oversee the federal agency that provides crucial health care assistance to some of the poorest and most underserved communities in America,” Conyers wrote.

We can barely read the new found concern for experience without tears of laughter flowing.

Congressman Conyers is worried that Dr. Gupta does not have the experience to run a small and inconsequential federal agency but Congressman Conyers did not show the same concern about Obama. Obama who admits he can’t keep a piece of paper for more than two seconds before it is lost and who apparently (if he is to be believed) can’t locate the papers from his state senate office, and has never run anything in his life is not a problem for Michigan disenfranchiser Conyers. Laughter ensues.

Perhaps Conyers will weigh in on Caroline Kennedy and provide us next week’s mirth.

Republican Obama shill David Brooks also made us laugh this week. Although we will discuss the economic situation and the schemes to deal with the mess (and loot the economy further) later, Brooks wrote a column which for once did not 100% shill for Obama. Brooks made us laugh with this:

Christina Romer is Barack Obama’s choice to lead his Council of Economic Advisers. In 1994, Romer and her husband, David, wrote an essay entitled “What Ends Recessions?” In the first paragraph, the Romers noted that “economists seem strangely unsure about what to tell policy makers to do to end recessions.”

The Romers surveyed the recessions of the previous 50 years to try to reach some conclusions about what works. “Our central conclusion is that monetary policy alone is a sufficiently powerful and flexible tool to end recessions,” they wrote. Automatic spending policies like unemployment insurance have sometimes helped. Discretionary policies, like tax cuts and stimulus plans, have not been of much use. As they put it: “Discretionary fiscal policy, in contrast, does not appear to have had an important role in generating recoveries.”

So the Council of Economic Advisers will be run by someone who does not believe tax cuts and stimulus plans help much in ending recessions but Obama’s entire plan is – tax cuts and stimulus. This should provide tears of mirth down the road.

Too bad Brooks was too busy shilling for Obama during the primary and general election season to educate instead of worship.

Brooks made us laugh. The people of New York State, bless them, also made us guffaw:

A new survey conducted by the North Carolina-based Public Policy Polling finds Caroline Kennedy’s public non-campaign for Hillary Clinton’s US Senate seat is not working to her advantage.

Forty-four percent of the 700 New York voters polled on Jan. 3-4 said they have a lower opinion of Kennedy now than they did before she actively started seeking Clinton’s seat, while 33 percent said her efforts have had no effect on how they view her and 23 percent said they actually view her more favorably than before. [snip]

Fifty-eight percent of voters questioned said they now prefer Cuomo as a replacement for Clinton compared to 27 percent for Kennedy. He’s favored by 65 percent of Republicans, 59 percent of independents and 54 percent of Democrats.

One month ago, a PPP poll found just 23 percent of Democrats wanted to see Sen. Cuomo, compared to 44 percent for Kennedy.

Dean Debnam, PPP president, said Kennedy’s reputation has taken “a pretty clear hit” over the past month, adding: “If Governor Paterson does end up appointing her, she’s going to have some work to do to overcome this bad first impression she’s made on New York voters.”

Caroline should buy a clue. So should Governor Paterson.

We’ll wait to discuss the laughter caused by clueless Senators who pushed Obama during the primaries now complaining about the economic schemes Obama touts with the aid of polls and thuggery.

Possibly the biggest laugh of the week came from the “snub” of Howard Dean. We wrote frequently during the past year of Obama snubs. The nutroots loved it when Obama snubbed American troops and Hillary. The nutroots and Daily Kooks are probably not happy with the Obama snub of their hero Dean.

The conspicuous absence of Howard Dean from Thursday’s press conference announcing Tim Kaine’s appointment as Democratic National Committee chair was no accident, according to Dean loyalists.

Rather, they say, it was a reflection of the lack of respect accorded to the outgoing party chairman by the Obama team.

Despite leading the party in consecutive triumphant election cycles – as well as through off-year races like when Kaine was elected Virginia governor in 2005 – Dean has become all but invisible since Election Day, passed over for the Cabinet position he coveted and apparently not in line for another administration post.

Obama well knows the Chicago Rule established by gangster Al Capone: don’t trust traitors and schemers - if they betray for you, they are capable of further betrayal against you.

Dean remained silent during the sexist and misogynistic attacks against Hillary and Palin during the election season. Only after the election did Dean finally speak up in outrage. But the outrage was feigned. Good riddance to Howard Dean.

[For the record: It is our understanding that the Dean snub is entirely due to his feud with Senator Schumer and Rahm Emanuel over how/where to spend financial resources. A major factor against Dean was that many big dollar donors, especially George Soros, were not happy with the lack of respect for big dollar donors at the DNC. Soros helped establish (with Harold Ickes) the database Catalist because Soros did not like Dean gutting the DNC's database efforts established by Terry McCauliffe.]

The Dean nutroots are snubbed and whining.

His allies aren’t happy about it.

“If he had been asked to go to that event, he would have been there,” Jim Dean, the chairman’s brother, noted twice in an interview.

Dean’s reward for the party recapturing the White House, House, Senate, and taking control of seven governor’s mansions and eight state legislatures on his watch?

So far, nothing.

The nutroots and Daily Koots and other assorted and addled Hopium addicts are learning that… Obama can’t be trusted… by friend nor foe… Obama simply can’t be trusted:

“The snub today was no accident,” said one Dean ally. “I guarantee you he would have rescheduled his trip if asked to attend. It’s easy to [screw] over people when you are riding high in the polls, let’s see how many people are singing his praises in six months.”

It appears that the Dean nutroots and Daily Kooks and the Hopium addled addicts are not only learning Obama can’t be trusted, they are also expecting Obama to sink in popularity within six months. Poor, sad, unhappy nutroots.

The lesson for upset Senators who shilled for inexperienced Obama, for Congressman Conyers, for Bill Richardson, for Brooks, for Caroline Kennedy, for Howard Dean and for the unhappy nutroots and Daily Kooks comes today from Cardinal Wolsey.

History is a teacher. Wolsey’s political rise in the very early 1500s came at the cost of his principles and primary work as a Cardinal of the Church. King Henry VIII wanted to dump Catherine in favor of the younger Anne Boleyn. Eventually these desires and state interests led Cardinal Wolsey to betray his Church and benefit the State.

In 1529 Wolsey was stripped of his magnificent estates and shorn of his public offices. Eventually Wolsey was accused of treason. Wolsey died in great distress. The fall from grace was great. Wolsey’s self-designed great tomb in St. Paul’s houses the body of Lord Nelson, not Wolsey.

William Shakespeare in Henry VIII, Act III paraphrases Wolsey’s regrets:

Had I but served my God with half the zeal
I served my king, he would not in mine age
Have left me naked to mine enemies.

History is a teacher, even for the Hopium addled.

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  • wbboei

    Admin: very impressive.

    Oh how history doth repeat itself
    But leaves us alas none the wiser

  • basil9

    “Flabby Dicky.” LOL

    “History is a teacher, even for the Hopium addicted.”

    True, but they want to rewrite history, not learn from it. :sad:

    repost from previous thread;

    AS I’m doing errands I’m listening to (watching) the dedication of the USS George H.W. Bush and as the naval officers sing the Star Spangled Banner I wonder what will happen to our national anthem once BO is sworn in.

    I remember years ago, during the first Gulf War, being filled with hate for GWB and his policies.

    Now I have far more respect for him, his naval service, his love of the country than I will ever have for the Huckster. Anyone else hear that one of the events on his website is ‘Throw-a-shoe-at-Bush” day on January 19th?

    BO has no respect for women, for the military, for US history, for traditions, for the constitution. The list is endless.

    What a sad commentary on our nation that this could be one of the last patriotic events in our lifetimes.

  • basil9

    repost from previous thread;

    More of Patterson’s comments about CK from the article TDO posted.

    More Excerpts from the article TDO linked upthread.

    “Paterson today said Kennedy has been assisted in her efforts by media outlets that have become consumed with the notion that the daughter of the slain President John F. Kennedy will become New York’s junior senator.

    “One thing that helps her is the tremendous attention that you all give her works to her advantage. Maybe if you didn’t give her so much attention she wouldn’t have it,” Paterson said. He said certain people, such as Clinton, have an advantage “just because of who they are.”

    “So I would ask the question back, why do you all pay so much attention to her? She’s just another person. So what? Her name is Kennedy? Why do you pay so much attention to her? I’m not reacting to what I think, I’m reacting to what I see,” he said.

    “But, on the other hand, her lack of elected experience does not help her, but the point is it’s the combination of experiences I’ll look at in terms of all the candidates, and also how balanced the ticket would look,” Paterson added.

  • basil9

    Admin!!!!!

    Forgot to say what an excellent article this is!

    I can only hope Deaninstein’s lovely assistent, Bradzilla, will be the next to offer us comedic releif followed quickly by Pooplosi.

    :twisted:

  • blue

    repost from previous thread –

    WBBOEI, you are so right to be incensed about what it happening to us.

    For a criminal regime to achieve and retain power it must first insure that its populace is as uninformed as possible. We have endured long years of lousy support of public education, a thinly veiled contempt for teachers and librarians, a actual disdain for culture and the life of the mind. It is not a surprise that the broadcasters and print media routinely serve up propaganda, fluff and nonsense because that is what our diet has become. How can people nourished by this sort of constant misinformation possibly be able to make an informed decision about their government? They can’t. The quality of our press has been declining for years. Now it has become so lamentable that most of the papers are struggling to survive. Good riddance, I say. Television seems to get along on a steady diet of commercial advertising that is so awful it makes one weep. Even at that, the number of viewers is drastically down. Magazines which do a thorough and honest job of conveying information have dwindled to one or two. This is the result of the relentless pursuit of profit above all else.
    In the last three presidential elections we have been saddled with an idiot-savant who was then re-elected and now a flim-flam man whose personal integrity and record of achievement augur very poorly for our future in these hard times.
    Somehow we have to bypass our own crippled press. It has been turned into a shill for the money people. The media have no regard whatever for the plight of ordinary people and no responsibility to what used to be called the profession of journalism. Many of us have simply stopped watching TV and reading newspapers because it is a waste of time. There may be a few like John Kass and Tony Lewis who are consistently forthcoming and not afraid, but all the reliable sources these days seem to come from the UK – BBC, The Guardian, etc.
    TurnDown Obama has started a sterling site – MIDSTREAMNEWS.COM where there are links to dependable writing – and at least that’s a start. This cadre of ours on 44 can be the source of thoughtful resistance to the profound deterioration of our educational system, our means of informing the population of serious matters and our government which has lost its way.

  • justmeinmountdorafl

    Mr. Obama, you are no Mr. Lincoln

  • basil9

    ::wiping away tears::

    Watching the commissioning of USS George H.W. Bush I am even more ashamed of the fraud that is going to represent our country. I was never a fan of Bush 1, Bush 11 or the repubs in general. How differently I feel now!

    Listening to GWB 1′s authentic, simple and (yes) humble speech as he recalled his days as a 19 -year old pilot during WW 11, his first assignment to a ship 65 years earlier, knowing that BO never even registered with the military service, comparing GWB’s real life experience with the fraud BO, seeing his expression of reverence when the plane he flew in WW 11 does a pass over, I feel so sad for the US.

  • basil9

    ‘For a criminal regime to achieve and retain power it must first insure that its populace is as uninformed as possible.’

    Instead of the military-industrial complex it is now the media-military-entertainment complex.

    Sickening.

  • JanH

    bbbut Admin!!!!

    Isn’t it an unwritten rule of “Corrupted Anonymous” to look over your shoulder at all times…trust no one…and snub someone before they can snub you ???

    Actually the thing that amuses me most, is that people like Dean are actually surprised by obama’s behavior. Did they actually think they weren’t being used with the understanding that now that he owns the transit system lock, stock, and barrel, the “under the bus” button will be pressed every hour on the hour?

    It really seams as if obama’s closest allies are those that are falling at his feet now.

  • blue

    Basil – I like your Media-Military-Entertainment trilogy as the new complex. Behind them all is a scandalous pile of money. That is still the root of all evil.
    You sound to me like a refugee from academia. Me too.

  • wbboei

    Admin: beautiful:

    We don’t make this up. Richardson prizes loyalty! Who would have guessed?

  • wbboei

    Later this month big media will feed us the tripe that Bambi is Lincoln. When that happens it would be wise to reflect for a moment on the ramifications of his binding commitment to raise the consciousness of humanity and solve the systemic problems of our economy which bedevil mere morals. And then he might reflect further on something Lincoln said, and substitute the words talking heads for angles, because this will be his fate:

    “If the end brings me out wrong, ten angels swearing I was right would make no difference.”

  • rgb44hrc

    turndownobama-com Says:
    January 10th, 2009 at 1:53 am
    Ms. Magazine is advertising an upcoming issue (content not released yet) with a cover depicting Obama as a ‘feminist.’

    ****Consulting Editor Gloria Steinem
    ****Columnist Donna Brazile

    &&&&&&&&

    How self-delusional do these “feminists” have to be in order to convince themselves that Obama cares about ____s (woman, AAs, poor people, old people, the American people, endangered species, etc.)?

    And to see Steinem, early Hillary supporter who just threw up her hands when Obama & Cabal stole the nomination, and Brazile writing about Obama as if he gave a shit makes me laugh.

    If they believed that shit, they’ll be disappointed.
    If they didn’t believe, but have some secret agenda, then they’ll be going to hell.

  • rgb44hrc

    At the grocery store yesterday, the cheesy tabloid the Globe had on the front cover, “Obama born overseas” (or something to that effect).

    It’s like the Men In Black, where Will Smith asks “Why are you buying these tabloids?”. Tommy Lee says, “Research”. The tabloids are sometimes the only ones willing to go out and print what the bought-and-paid-for Big Media won’t. Hmmmm, Edwards scandal????

  • wbboei

    If we reach the point of double digit unemployment Bush will be a bad memory. In the public mind the president is responsible for the economy and Bambi has given us a moonshot which will land in London. When he tells the public I need more time, the public will say if I told my creditors I need more time, they will not give it to me. The bill is due and I must pay it. Bambis bill will be overdue by 2010. The fool with energy. By the way, how does it happen that a man who refused to salute the flag six months ago now drapes himself in it. Can the devil quote scripture?

  • rgb44hrc

    wbboei Says:
    January 10th, 2009 at 10:27 am

    Big Media is destroying this society by corrupting the decision making process. The net effect is poor leaders and improvident policies. Bush, Iraq, Obama were their babies. Each was a mistake. How many successive mistakes can an entity make before there are dire consequences.
    &&&&&&&

    In order to salvage their reputations, BM has to atone for its drastic failures. Kinda like Bush vowing “competence” after Katrina.

    a) After helping manipulate W. into office and watching him fail, BM was anxious to regain credibility by attacking him and propping up the guy who was on record as disagreeing with him a whole heck of a lot (Obama).

    b) After siding with the Bush public brainwashing about WMDs in Iraq and selling hat war in 2003, and watching it fail spectacularly, they covered their asses and sought to regain credibility by eventually turning on W. and criticizing the war. Took long enough.

    They are always behind the curve; not exactly what they should be getting paid for.

    And self-serving, about their careers, advancement, awards, not about serving the American public.

    Screw them and their tanking subscriptions. They are going the way of the horse and buggy.

  • rgb44hrc

    pm317 Says:
    January 10th, 2009 at 11:09 am
    What 0bama has done to Dean and Brazille is inexplicable. Or is it that he knows it will be too obvious if he rewards them? I think he has a disdain for foot licking sycophants
    &&&&&&&

    I know about Dean. How has Brazile been dissed recently?

  • wbboei

    January 10th, 2009 at 1:53 am
    Ms. Magazine is advertising an upcoming issue (content not released yet) with a cover depicting Obama as a ‘feminist.’

    ****Consulting Editor Gloria Steinem
    ****Columnist Donna Brazile
    ————————————
    This will appeal to those who are devoid of common sense. Isnt that really the bottom line here. All the education in the world does not guarantee common sense. Sometimes–indeed, too often it cuts the other way. Propaganda should be rejected not read. There is no bigger misognynist in the country than Brazille. Also she is a bitter racist. That is not what I would call a feminist. This magazine is doing now what it has always done which is to elevate power over principle. They are for left wing elitists only.

  • rgb44hrc

    basil9 Says:
    January 10th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    ‘For a criminal regime to achieve and retain power it must first insure that its populace is as uninformed as possible.’

    Instead of the military-industrial complex it is now the media-military-entertainment complex.
    &&&&&&&&&

    That’s a good assessment of how the military-industrial complex needed to add on a media component in order to sell its lies. And the media and entertainment industries have essentially become fused: Jon Stewart gives the news and the news anchors gravitate toward infotainment stories and promote infotainment candidates like Obama.

    They refused to “eat their peas” with a sensible candidate like Hillary, mocking her out for being “competence-oriented”. Instead, we got:

    “Make a “statement” by driving a 2008 Obama-Lite; comes in two fancy colors (black or white); upload ringtones; gets zero miles-per-gallon and does nothing but looks great in your driveway”.

  • SHV

    I know about Dean. How has Brazile been dissed recently?
    **********
    So far she has gotten nothing for all of the dirty work she did for the “O”. She was probably expecting to be named the new DNC chair.

  • rgb44hrc

    and that pretty much sums up how he was marketed to the lefties and uninformed middle:

    “Shake your fist (at Bush), make a statement, and help “make history” by electing a black guy president to show the world the US isn’t racist, even if he lacking experience, even if he isn’t qualified to be Prez (birth cert). And if you are worried he won’t do a very good job, well, “he’ll be surrounded by **very capable people**, and maybe they’ll compensate for the lack of experience and lack of direction at the top.

    Hey, the American public knew in 2000 that W. was not really going to be running the show…why should that matter now?

  • rgb44hrc

    Thanks, SHV.
    Doesn’t Brazile already have enough jobs she’s bad at?

  • wbboei

    Big Medias corruption of the political process can ruin a country. Let me give you an analogy.

    I worked in the corporate world for thirty years. I had the unique experience of watching a company I was part of grow and prosper in an expanding market and become a Fortune 200 company. The key to its success was a cadre of executives who knew the business from the ground up, and an honest decisionmaking process. Ultimately, that company was acquired by a 60 billion dollar multi national and I saw them spout forth the same kind of hopium we see with the Obama people. They took over the same company and they failed miserably. 1 to 2 billion dollar losses year after year whereas the predecessor was profitable every year. Then late last year they shut their US domestic operation and 10,000 people lost their jobs. They did not know what they were doing and their decisionmaking process was corrupt. I see those same fault lines with bambi, plus the problems bush left his successor to deal with are unsolveable in the short term. It is why I posted that McKenzie article that good companies have strong decision making processes. I have seen it.

  • wbboei

    “Shake your fist (at Bush), make a statement, and help “make history” by electing a black guy president to show the world the US isn’t racist, even if he lacking experience, even if he isn’t qualified to be Prez (birth cert). And if you are worried he won’t do a very good job, well, “he’ll be surrounded by **very capable people**, and maybe they’ll compensate for the lack of experience and lack of direction at the top.
    ———————————–
    RGB: it is like small pox. If you survive the ordeal you are immune thereafter. It only works once. But the operative word is “if”.

  • wbboei

    So far she has gotten nothing for all of the dirty work she did for the “O”. She was probably expecting to be named the new DNC chair.
    ———————————–
    Undoubtedly. At the end of the day she has a judas problem as well. You dont conspire with Karl Rove to take down the leader of your own party. She can never ever be trusted after that one.

  • henry

    Is it true that mo’s mother will be living with them in the Whitehouse? please tell me it was just a rumor.

  • rgb44hrc

    From what I read, it’s true, Mom-in-law will be able to continue dispensing all that good fashion advice to her daughter while conveniently hovering around.

    Who knows, they might give her Secretary of Commerce…

  • henry

    has that ever been done before? She will be living off of our tax dollars?

  • rgb44hrc

    I doubt she’ll be paying rent.
    Would she be considered black-mail bait, and therefore subject to Secret Service protection? I think we can guess the answer to that one.

  • rgb44hrc

    How soon does the bloom wear off the rose?

    Hmmm, with Sarkosi, it only took a few weeks.

  • rgb44hrc

    Over at NQ is a post about the Ms. magazine piece, showing the cover. It shows Obama boldly and searchingly looking upward, with his shirt ripped open to reveal a t-shirt that says, “This is what a FEMINIST looks like”. Ha!!!

    But at the very top of the cover is the tell-tale sign as to the underlying motives are. It says, “Special Inaugural Issue”. So it’s about selling copies. Appealing to AAs and liberals and whatever sucker women out there who think that supporting a Dem, any Dem, is the “feminist” position.

    Let people be duped out of the $3, $5, etc. for this meaningless drivel. Those who waste their money of these kind of things will either read it and go, “Oh, just a bunch of “inspiring” words, stuff I already hear day in and day out”.

    Or they’ll keep it for some collectors edition sentimental reason, gathering dust. So in s a few years from now, they can feel really stupid for thinking that “Obama is the answer”.

    As for the media profiteers: I wonder how much of this shit is going to be sent back from newsstands? How much hits the recycling heaps?

    And when will editors start getting laid off for lack of sales, for trying to peddle and re-peddle the same old story line:

    * a historic man
    * a historic moment
    * history quivers in its boots

    shut the fuck up, and btw, the unemployment line is THAT way, but the computers are down.

  • Mrs. Smith

    Admin… Nice rundown of the current state of chaos of (former) Obama loyalists.

    now as to Donna ‘putana’ Brazile. My feeling about her is this; She’s got plans! I say this because of the inside info I read back in 3/08 early on when Hillary announced she was running. I read a first hand account written by a reputable source, who had access to a live broadcast of an annual CBC meeting. (the one Hillary usually attends but this time was curiously disinvited by Rangal and Brazile)

    IICRC.. The meeting was about the entrepernarial opportunities afforded strictly to AA’s by Obama after he’s elected… not IF he’s elected…after he’s elected. This broad based approach was touted by Brazile as the leg up AA’s have been waiting for. Every CEO in the program must be AA only. Where AAs will be working for themselves for their own betterment and not the white mans. No, he’s not going to throw her under the bus…she will be a conduit for $$$ passing through you know ehos hands… (gov money).

  • S

    regarding Richardson…the thing that galled me the most about Judas was that stabbing Hill and Bill in the back was not enough…he had to go all over TV making a big joke about…he could not even be dignified about his betrayal…over and over again I saw him on tv talking about how Bill was still made at him and Hillary had gotten over it…and laughing…like it was all a big joke…well he got his slap smackdown by karma and now is left praying he doesn’t get arrested like his crew…and he had to go crawling back to his own state who from reports were ready, willing and able to move on without him…

    …the higher they rise, the bigger the fall…Judas is gone in disgrace…

    as a Deaniac said above: as for O and his cohorts…

    It’s easy to [screw] over people when you are riding high in the polls, let’s see how many people are singing his praises in six months.”

  • wbboei

    Mrs. Smith: that is a morbid sceario. I do not doubt that is one of their plans but:

    The best laid scheme
    Of mice and thieves
    Gang aft agley

    The more likely scenario: a helium filled balloon floats 500 feet above the ground and billows along in the warm summer air. Then it develops a how in it, helium strarts to leak out and down it goes.

    Moral to the story: gravity is a bitch. That goes for bambi and Gogzilla. Peas in a pod.

  • rgb44hrc

    CLASS EXERCISE FOR EXTRA CREDIT: USE GLORIA STEINEM’S OWN WORDS TO EXPOSE HER HYPOCRISY (NY TIMES OP-ED FROM LAST YEAR)

    Women Are Never Front-Runners
    By GLORIA STEINEM
    Published: January 8, 2008

    THE woman in question became a lawyer after some years as a community organizer, married a corporate lawyer and is the mother of two little girls, ages 9 and 6. Herself the daughter of a white American mother and a black African father — in this race-conscious country, she is considered black — she served as a state legislator for eight years, and became an inspirational voice for national unity.

    Be honest: Do you think this is the biography of someone who could be elected to the United States Senate? After less than one term there, do you believe she could be a viable candidate to head the most powerful nation on earth?
    If you answered no to either question, you’re not alone. Gender is probably the most restricting force in American life, whether the question is who must be in the kitchen or who could be in the White House. This country is way down the list of countries electing women and, according to one study, it polarizes gender roles more than the average democracy.
    That’s why the Iowa primary was following our historical pattern of making change. Black men were given the vote a half-century before women of any race were allowed to mark a ballot, and generally have ascended to positions of power, from the military to the boardroom, before any women (with the possible exception of obedient family members in the latter).
    If the lawyer described above had been just as charismatic but named, say, Achola Obama instead of Barack Obama, her goose would have been cooked long ago. Indeed, neither she nor Hillary Clinton could have used Mr. Obama’s public style — or Bill Clinton’s either — without being considered too emotional by Washington pundits.
    So why is the sex barrier not taken as seriously as the racial one? The reasons are as pervasive as the air we breathe: because sexism is still confused with nature as racism once was; because anything that affects males is seen as more serious than anything that affects “only” the female half of the human race; because children are still raised mostly by women (to put it mildly) so men especially tend to feel they are regressing to childhood when dealing with a powerful woman; because racism stereotyped black men as more “masculine” for so long that some white men find their presence to be masculinity-affirming (as long as there aren’t too many of them); and because there is still no “right” way to be a woman in public power without being considered a you-know-what.
    I’m not advocating a competition for who has it toughest. The caste systems of sex and race are interdependent and can only be uprooted together. That’s why Senators Clinton and Obama have to be careful not to let a healthy debate turn into the kind of hostility that the news media love. Both will need a coalition of outsiders to win a general election. The abolition and suffrage movements progressed when united and were damaged by division; we should remember that.
    I’m supporting Senator Clinton because like Senator Obama she has community organizing experience, but she also has more years in the Senate, an unprecedented eight years of on-the-job training in the White House, no masculinity to prove, the potential to tap a huge reservoir of this country’s talent by her example, and now even the courage to break the no-tears rule. I’m not opposing Mr. Obama; if he’s the nominee, I’ll volunteer. Indeed, if you look at votes during their two-year overlap in the Senate, they were the same more than 90 percent of the time. Besides, to clean up the mess left by President Bush, we may need two terms of President Clinton and two of President Obama.
    But what worries me is that he is seen as unifying by his race while she is seen as divisive by her sex.
    What worries me is that she is accused of “playing the gender card” when citing the old boys’ club, while he is seen as unifying by citing civil rights confrontations.
    What worries me is that male Iowa voters were seen as gender-free when supporting their own, while female voters were seen as biased if they did and disloyal if they didn’t.
    What worries me is that reporters ignore Mr. Obama’s dependence on the old — for instance, the frequent campaign comparisons to John F. Kennedy — while not challenging the slander that her progressive policies are part of the Washington status quo.
    What worries me is that some women, perhaps especially younger ones, hope to deny or escape the sexual caste system; thus Iowa women over 50 and 60, who disproportionately supported Senator Clinton, proved once again that women are the one group that grows more radical with age.
    This country can no longer afford to choose our leaders from a talent pool limited by sex, race, money, powerful fathers and paper degrees. It’s time to take equal pride in breaking all the barriers. We have to be able to say: “I’m supporting her because she’ll be a great president and because she’s a woman.”
    Gloria Steinem is a co-founder of the Women’s Media Center.
    Correction: January 9, 2008

  • rgb44hrc

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/08/opinion/08steinem.html

    is the link to that old Jan. 2008 Steinem op-ed piece in the NY Times

  • wbboei

    How soon does the bloom wear off the rose?
    ————————————
    It will start to slip within a couple months. When his minions start to play the race card in defense of bad policy decisions–then it will go down like a headshot goose. And once the left discovers that he is a big business shill they will get very quiet. Bear in mind, he has had a number of problems so far and the real fun has yet to begin. As time goes on these glowing reports about him will have a smaller and smaller audience. Dont you think that after this corronation bullshit the country is going to say okay thats over, nice cartharsis, now tell us when you will have the problems solves oh messiah of mine–the clock is running.

  • NewMexicoFan

    krqe.com/dpp/news/politics/politics_krqe_albuquerque_another_scandal_another_grand_jury_200901082305

    Another Dim New Mexico Scandal, and perhaps another Grand Jury. I happen to knwo the person that blew the whisle. They were counter sued by the crooks, and the court case was thrown out.

    Now one low income home was built with this money. It all went into overhead I guess.

    Judas the gambler is have a rough patch I guess.

  • NewMexicoFan

    Sorry I did not proof read, so this posting hopefully makes more sense

    _____________________

    krqe.com/dpp/news/politics/politics_krqe_albuquerque_another_scandal_another_grand_jury_200901082305

    Another Dim New Mexico Scandal, and perhaps another Grand Jury. I happen to know the person that blew the whistle. They were counter sued by the crooks, and the court case was thrown out.

    Not one low income home was built with this money. It all went into overhead I guess.

    Judas the gambler is having a rough patch I guess.

  • wbboei

    Concerning hopium.

    I live next door to a methadone clinic. Every morning, heroin addicts walk passed my door. I have seen what they go through. You feel bad for them and worse for their young childen, but they support eachother very well as a group especially the women. The children seem happy enough. But the withdrawal symptoms are not easy.

    Heroine gives you wonderful dreams the first and second time. Hopium works much the same way. Fun while it lasts. But withdrawal is rough. Heroin, hopium, its all the same.

  • holdthemaccountable

    How soon does the bloom wear off the rose?
    ————————————
    Maybe sooner than we think? I’m alluding to those Dems who are not Dims … those decent ones who know their job is that of a public servant and are perfectly happy to work toward suitable achievements. They have been forced to go along with the whole Obama charade. The Dem who represents me in the House, and the House Dem in the next district over are the real deal. Not too many, I know, but however many there are of them, they are probably ready to explode after two years of going along with ‘the leaders’. Maybe they will.

  • turndownobama-com

    NewMexicoFan Says:
    January 10th, 2009 at 10:36 am
    Carol, this might sound wierd, but I think it is those online now that will start changing things. I talk all the time to people I know about different issues they do not even know exisited. I use links from big pink to clue them in. They are starting to say, why don’t we know about this stuff.

    I even had my hair dresser say, where are you getting your information. So I tell them. I am now being fed by some of them with information they are finding on the web.
    =====================

    Great! I don’t know whether this will work, but it’s the best hope I see. (Except perhaps the Clintons pulling Obama’s strings in private.)

  • henry

    Comparing hopium to heroin?
    Heroin like most drugs provides a relief from pain. Addiction is a plague upon our society and noone chooses to be caught in its lethal grip. So my question is what injury are the words from Obama providing comfort for. The Ann Coulter interview with matt lauer which admin posted he went on to spew some of the hope shite waffles represents sadly like any panacea this one too will prove ineffective and those who took that first hit of unrealistic hope will keep chasing the dragon and may spend their lives as most addicts do in denial.

  • turndownobama-com

    Re Obama and ‘infrastructure.’

    Some people are criticizing this because highway construction etc employs mostly men.

    Maybe they should note that construction is traditional Chicago opportunity for money going to, shall we say, corruption?

    Who can doubt the secret hid….

  • basil9

    Mrs. Smith,

    I read that too. It’s all about getting AA’s into power. Brazille wrote an ope-ed describing how, using BO, blacks could seize the reins of power. (forgot the name of it)

    Remember the RBC meeting in August 2007 when Florida was stripped of delegates? Who was doing the stripping? It was the AA members, same as at the farce RBC meeting on May 31 when 5 Michigan delegates were stolen from HRC.

    Who was in charge at that meeting? Dawson, Germond, Brazille, all AA and all more interested in promoting an unqualified black man then in the good of the country.

  • Mrs. Smith

    Ok.. here is more specific info regarding my post made at 2:52 pm today.

    the exact happening of what I said earlier from my file notes: (not sure if all links are workable)

    wbb from your post at 3:06pm… I have to run off just now. But I also have the ‘how to’ connection to what is mentioned below

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Donna Brazile is saying: the African American community will outraged if Hillary wins the nomination

    “Donna Brazile”

    You may not be understanding the implication of that statement and what she means. She is saying that African American community will outraged if Hillary wins the nomination due to Super Delegates.

    This is about the Congressional Black Caucus. Back on September 29, 2007, It was a CBC sponsored round table on CSPAN in which Donna Brazile, Arthur Davis and about three others were in a panel discussion. We didn’t get to see the whole thing but saw and heard enough. Unfortunately there is neither a video (even though it was obviously on tape) or transcript from the event.

    It was the same weekend event to which Hillary was an invited speaker but which caused an uproar because Obama supporters in the CBC objected.

    h’s and 3 w’s

    thehill.com/leading-the-news/cbcs-event-for-clinton-prompts-grumbles-2007-09-20.html

    Davis’s speech at the weekend event was pretty much the same one he had delivered at other annual events about the “glass ceiling” (see the problem coming here?)

    H’s and 3 w’s house.gov/arturdavis/2004press/glass_ceiling…

    Arthur Davis RW Power Broker

    h and 3 w’s openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=886

    The particular round table was about the future of African Americans in politics.

    Not to stretch the details in the discussion beyond memory, the gist was this — everybody just couldn’t wait, including Donna and Arthur, for Barack Obama to be president so that FINALLY AAs would be able to enact all the plans waiting so long for “the one” to lead.

    It was a chilling undercurrent coming from Brazile and if you can’t see the implication coming from Brazile on an Obama presidency, then take a step back and think a minute..

    CBC’s BrainTrust’s Mission: Strangely enough, it’s not about a better Life for AAs..

    h’s and w’s slepton.com/slepton/viewcontent.pl?id=891

  • basil9

    PEBO to honor McCain at pre-inauguration dinner to recognize officials who ‘reach across party lines.”

    WTF!!!!!!!

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/01/pebo-to-honor-m

  • dot48

    McCain’s gone soft. They must have something on Cindy.

  • henry

    okay how about a poll for what was the freakiest bambi move/
    My vote goes to his repeated touching of the fox news person whose name does not merit a mention during what was supposed to be a tough interview.
    That made me squirm!

  • basil9

    Yes, I saw the entire Florida RBC meeting, presided over by DB, read a couple of articles by her, including this;

    “The Obama Factor:”
    This is a new moment to identify and recruit better messengers. Perhaps it’s time to tap into the “Obama” factor: Scour statehouses for young, energetic, inspiring, and emerging leaders with the ability to connect the head and heart.

    And also read another article about strategizing to promote AA dems. She’s also written a recent cnn barf-alert article about what losers should do to get over the election. :evil:

  • ABM90

    Hope is waning and his changes if permitted to be implimented will change this country as we knew it into a hot bed ov civil disobedience mayhem racial ensnarements and the black clouds of evil thoughts and deeds on both sides of so many unresolved problems.I just hope these politicians will come to their senses and promote a healing agenda to guide us sfely through these toubled times.
    Hillary must be confirmed next tues and provided with all the tools and personnel needed to carry out her skills of peace making.She must also be provided with ample SS agents to keep her safe for our enemies are both within and without the realm of rational thinking and actions.

    By ABM90 God speed Hillary

  • JanH

    USA Today:

    Governor Palin Says to Media, “There You Go Again”

    January 8, 2009, Anchorage, Alaska – Governor Sarah Palin today expressed dismay at continuing efforts in the media to take her comments out of context to create adversarial situations.

    Ironically, the latest media eruption concerning the governor came out of an interview she gave to a filmmaker who is creating a documentary on distortions by the national press.

    Gov. Palin gave the interview Monday as one of many voices contributing to the film “Media Malpractice…How Obama Got Elected,” concerning the performance of the media last fall. The filmmaker posted excerpts from the interview on YouTube.com, which then led to misleading reports in the press.

    Particularly troubling was a post on Politico.com titled, “Palin: Media Goes Easy on Kennedy.” The headline inflames the governor’s quote in the transcript, in which she answered a question about media treatment of the prospect that Caroline Kennedy would be appointed to the U.S. Senate: “It’s going to be interesting to see how that plays out and I think that as we watch that we will perhaps be able to prove that there is a class issue here also that was such a factor in the scrutiny of my candidacy versus, say, the scrutiny of what her candidacy may be.”

    “I was not commenting at all on Caroline Kennedy as a prospective U.S. senator, but rather on the seemingly arbitrary ways in which news organizations determine the level and kind of scrutiny given to those who aspire to public office,” Gov. Palin said today. “In fact, I consider Ms. Kennedy qualified and experienced, and she could serve New York well.”

    The governor’s interview came as news organizations pursued erroneous and often outrageous leads on a variety of non-issues.

    Just this week, false stories in the media surfaced alleging improper influence by the Palin administration or the governor herself. In one case, a state union alleged that the administration delayed serving an arrest warrant on the mother of Levi Johnston, the father of the governor’s grandson. The union admitted within 48 hours that the allegation was not true.

    In another case, an irresponsible talk show host in Anchorage alleged in a newspaper column that the governor must have intervened to get a job for her future son-in-law, circumventing eligibility rules for the position. Again, the allegation was immediately discredited by proof that the governor did not influence Levi’s employment.

    Meanwhile, bloggers, the Atlantic magazine and even the Anchorage Daily News continue to give credence to the sensational allegation that the governor’s child, Trig, is not hers.

    “As a public official, I expect criticism and I expect to be held accountable for how I govern,” Gov. Palin said. “But the personal, salacious nature of recent reporting, and often the refusal of the media to correct obvious mistakes, unfortunately discredits too many in journalism today, making it difficult for many Americans to believe what they see in the media.”

    —————————-

    Was it woebbi who stated the other day that he felt the media was the biggest danger to America today?

  • basil9

    JEEZZUS MF***ING SH!!!!TTTT!

    Now the Brits have been struck by racist fever!

    Poor Harry foolin-around in a couplea vids gets accused of the R WORD!

    Another American export. :evil:

    THE Equality and Human Rights Commission last night demanded a formal inquiry into Prince Harry’s jibes, as Muslim groups and leading MPs slammed the Prince.

    A spokesman for the Equality and Human Rights Commission, chaired by Sir Trevor Phillips, said they would be investigating.

    The spokesman said: “These appear to be disturbing allegations and we will be asking the Ministry of Defence to see the evidence, share their investigation with us and their plans for dealing with it.”

    A spokesman for the Muslim Council of Great Britain said: “It beggars belief that Prince Harry did not realise just how crude and offensive such a remark is.

    “The army is looking to recruit from minority communities and this kind of remark will not help the impression that the army is one of the last refuges of prejuidice towards minorities.”

  • rgb44hrc

    Steinem in her op-ed piece from Jan. 2008 said:

    I’m not opposing Mr. Obama; if he’s the nominee, I’ll volunteer.
    &&&&&&

    Are we to believe that you meant this only if Obama won the primaries fairly? Did it matter to you that he “won” the primaries only by stealing it????

    1, His main strategy for the primaries consisted of using FEAR and INTIMIDATION to steal caucus states, which over-represented his support in caucus states, which in turn were over-represented compared to non-caucus states. And where older female voters were the prime targets of such fear and intimidation.
    2. He used racism to undermine Clinton and unite black voters
    3. His campaign thrived on misogyny to undermine Clinton as weak, emotional, manipulative, or “over-experienced”
    4. Obama and the DNC fucked over FL and MI voters; they reciprocated by awarding him their electoral votes.

    Gloria, does any of this matter to you?

    I thought so. You are just an opportunist.

    Next time you try to get people all concerned about issues dear to you, such as reproductive rights, fighting misogyny, maybe people will remember how little you cared about due process. They’ll tell you to toughen up, shit happens, deal with it.

    Once you’ve blown your credibility, it’s very difficult to get it back. Just ask W. Just ask MSM folks who can sell copies any more.

    Ask us to give a shit? When you ask? We might just say, “Go ask Obama”. Go fuck yourself.

  • rgb44hrc

    I meant to say:
    Just ask MSM folks who ***can’t*** sell copies any more.

  • wbboei

    We all have our favorite movies, and actors. My favorite movie is called The Lawman. It is a dark psychological study and it is not for the faint hearted. The cast led by the great Burt Lancaster is superb. It includes Lee J Cobb, Robert Ryan, Rober Duvall, Sheree North and others all superior actors. I mention it here because it points to the kind of thing big media in its present form is capable of.

    The year is 1887. The place is Texas. Seven cowboys driving a herd of longhorn cattle north on the Chislom Trail stop in the town of Bannock, get drunk, shoot up the town and kill one of its citizens by accident. The sheriff of that town (Lancaster) is out of town at the time, but when he gets back he picks up their trail and follows it to the town they are from. It is a town with no water, no railhead, and no reason to exist except for the largess of a major rancher Vince Bronson.

    We meet the lawman and we meet the rancher early in the movie, but they do not meet eachother until the tragic end.

    The lawman is driven by a blind sense of duty. He is fast, real fast in a gunfight. That is why he is still alive while most of his fellow sheriffs who faced the same risks are either dead or will never walk again. He lives by a simple code: he lets them draw first and when they draw they are dead.

    There is an interesting exchange between him and a young cowboy who is lightening fast on the draw. The cowboy tells him he is not afraid of him and thinks he is faster. He tells the cowboy are you asking me who is faster or whether I could kill you if I wanted to becasuse if its the second question the answer is yes.

    He tells the cowboy you think its a game dont you. A contest between gentlemen. You carry a gun. Snakes. Sometimes you get pretty good. Sometimes real good. But you are still a cowboy. Then he tells the cowboy that he is a lawman. He tells him that a lawman is a killer of men. That is the difference between them and that is all the difference he needs.

    True to his code, the lawman serves notice on the seven cowboys to come back to Bannock with him and stand trial or he will kill them where they stand. They refuse and they decide to challenge him to gunfights instead. A foolish mistake.

    The rancher is a decent, ethical and thoughtful man. He is mortified to learn of he death of the citizen in Bannock and anxious to make it right with the family. He calls the seven cowboys who work for him together and asks for their opinion. He suggests they all go back to Bannock together and stand trial. They could buy the judge and he most they would suffer would be a fine. He offers to cover their losses. He sends a message to the sheriff he is willing to deal but will not go back to Bannock. The sheriff refuses the offer.

    The top hand pushes the rancher to roll over the lawman. The rancher tells him that they have 30,000 acres of sweet grass, a couple thousand head of cattle, money in the bank and he is not gonna risk it all on gunplay and killing a lawman is a sure way for trouble. He tells the top hand he is like some dumb ladino all horn no brain. Unfortunatley, the top hand ignores this advice, goes into town, challenges the lawman to a gunfight and is killed.

    From there events move forward with dramatic precision to a denoument which no one forsaw but everyone agreed was inevitable after the fact. Privately, the lawman is questioning his own values for the first time in his life, after Sheree North who was an old flame of his tells him that his nickname is the widow maker.

    The city fathers get upset with all the killing. A store keeper named Luther Watson (big media) calls them together and tells them that if they call themselves men they need to run the sheriff out of town. So under his pscholgical influence ten of them grab shotguns and march down to the local saloon as vigilantes. The lawman is just finishing lunch and walk up to him and then freeeze.

    The lawman stands up and walks up to the storekeeper. He says who’s got the words? He tells Watson youre the storekeeper let me say them for you. You want me out of town, what happened in some other place is not your concern. I have seen men like you all over the west. You want the law to walk lightly. He then tells them he is not leaving town until what he came for is done. He tells them they come armed, theres enougn of them and all it takes is one man with the courage to die first. They back down-but Watson does not forget.

    At the end of the movie, the rancher rides into town to settle the score with the sheriff. The sheriff meanwhile has decided that his code is wrong and wants no more killing. He walks out into the street toward the rancher and his men and keeps walking. He tells them there has been enough killing. It all would have ended peacefully but the shop keeper fires his shotgun at the lawman as he walks away and misses. The lawman hit the dirt, rolls over and shoots the ranchers gunhand. The ranchers son steps forward, his father tries to hold him back but he throws his hand off him, faces the lawman and his shot down. The rancher leans over the the body of his son in grief pulls out his own gun, holds it to his temple and shoots himself and the lawman is last seen riding out of town knowing he cannot escape his past.

    There is one point in the movie where the town sheriff who was once a great gunfighter but has no stomach for it anymore and is just waiting out the years asks the owner of the house of ill repute why the shopkeeper feels compelled to push the envelope to the point that innocent people get killed and the owner who is a philoshoper of sorts says he does it for the glory, the imporatance and the name.

    Sort of like Patrick Healey, Charles Savage, Keithy Olberman, Chris Matthews, Idiot Brown and how many others. But as I have said all along if you want to know who the real culprits are look at the executives of those companies. They are the real Luther Watsons.

  • ABM90

    Well told wbboei.I just recently viewed that movie and it is still one of my favorites.In fact Bert Lancaster was one of the best and his Elmer gantry role points out the similarities in this current election process with great frauds of the past hustlers.
    I speak out now in the current drive to bailout the MSM to save their bloody asses.We do no and will not condone govt. funding this great enemy within that enters every home every hour everday 24/7 and we must stop any move by the hustler to bestow payback funds to keep the public in the dark about how this election was stolen from Hillary and given to the chosen one.
    I doubt if he will complete his first term as the cry for impeachment gets louder by the day.Hope is eternal .Change will be our undoing.

    BY ABM90. Watch Hillary on tues 13 and see a real proud tough patriotic and highly intelligent woman show what real Presidential candidates are made of. Night all.

  • turndownobama-com

    NewMexicoFan Says:
    January 10th, 2009 at 9:38 am
    Carol, I am not an expert on this, but the big media will be broken by the subscribers and advertisers, just af the reduction of these areas is breaking the newspapers.

    The readers, and the advertisers are headed toward the Internet.
    ===============

    And when they get here … what if the readers would rather read clean no-ad sites? Like hillaryis44.org?

    Yee-haw!

  • Mrs. Smith

    Here is the ref in addition to my post at 5:09pm today.

    This link caught my eye because this Bill was introduced by Obama in Dec of 2005
    giving discretionary control to the Secretary of State. (who at the time, I thought would be Kerry)

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:S.2125:

    S. 2125

    109th Congress

    This bill was created in the 109th Congress, in 2005-2006.

    Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act of 2006

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-2125

  • rgb44hrc

    From NQ, user Hillaryorbust:

    Well, we are officially living in the United States of Bizarroland. In a year in which we should by all rights be inaugurating our first woman president, Ms. magazine, which used to be the go-to mag for all things feminist, has turned into a fawning teen rag ala Tiger Beat. With an inaugural issue featuring Barack Obama as the feminist Superman (oh, the irony), Ms. has officially lost any clout as the magazine for thinking feminists. It is clear, from this cover, that the backlash predicted by Susan Faludi so many years ago has done its work. Now women who call themselves feminists can’t even see the irony in honoring the male candidate that beat the woman candidate for president through blatant voter fraud and massive sexism.

    For those of us real feminists, 2008 was a horrific year in which the best and brightest women politicians in America were smeared and laughed at, while a junior senator with little experience and hardly any real accomplishments to his name sailed through to the presidency thanks to a fawning media, when by all rights he should have been Hillary’s VP.

    To top it all off, this same man spurned a woman as his own vice president pick, instead choosing a white male from the establishment, who is best known not for his feminist leanings, but for his “off-color” (read: offensive) comments. Biden is the guy who said you knew lots of immigrants from India were around, due to their presence in 7-11s and Dunkin Donuts, remember?

    So what has happened to the women who run Ms. magazine? Have they lost their minds? It appears that they’ve let their vaginas get the best of them as they’ve gotten caught up in their own Obamagasms.

    Let’s take a good look at the imagery on this cover. It shows Obama in a Superman pose. He’s painted as heroic, with a shirt on that says “This is what a feminist looks like.” What’s next? A cover with Sarah Palin as the arch-villain, with her head shaved like Lex Luthor, and a shirt that says “This is not what a feminist looks like?”

    Ah, now we know that it’s men, not women, who are here to save the day.

    What is the message of the Superman mythology? Let’s recap the story a bit: We have a superhuman man, the “Man of Steel,” who saves the world. Lois Lane, normally an intelligent, independent woman and an accomplished reporter in her own right, becomes a weak-kneed little girl around Superman, losing her head everytime he flies into her life. Yet, the mild-mannered, normal, good guy, Clark Kent, receives little to no attention from Lois.

    Lois, is as such, the stereotypical social climbing woman who eschews the good man in front of her for the strong mysterious hero she worships. She favors celebrity over substance, a fantasy over the reality in front of her.

    A good metaphor as any for Obama, I suppose.

    It became clear to me during the primaries that the reason many women supported Obama wasn’t for his actual record or day-to-day work ethic. They worshiped him because they thought he was handsome – a black George Clooney representing a mythical hero that would save them from their dull, dreary lives. It becomes clear, then, that the women who put Obama on the cover of Ms. magazine in mythic, heroic splendor, have unwittingly played into their own brainwashed fantasies of the strong man who will come to save them.

    A much more appropriate and daring cover would have been a photo of Hillary Clinton as “Madame President” and the tagline – “What could have been.”

    And what, pray tell, does Ms. magazine think a “feminist” does? What exactly has Obama done for women in his career, besides pushing through a controversial measure that would let babies from botched abortions die?

    OK, so officially he is “pro-choice, ” but big deal – so are most Democrats. Not that Obama’s official stand means anything these days. He’s as likely to flip-flop on that as he did on FISA.

    From my view, Obama has done nothing for women at all in his career. Nothing. In fact, he’s done more harm than good. He ran a campaign to destroy Hillary when he is young enough that he could have been a VP for 8 years and then spent another 8 as president. He opposes gay marriage. He appointed anti-choice Tim Kaine as head of the DNC.

    THIS IS FEMINISM?

    Ms. Magazine, you should be ashamed of yourselves for your cover. You’ve permanently lost me as a reader or supporter.

    ACTION STEPS TO TAKE

    1. Boycott Ms. magazine. Cancel your subscription and do not purchase the inaugural issue.

    2. Contact Ms. magazine to complain: Call 1-800-787-1414

    3. Send an email: mkort@msmagazine.com, letterstotheeditor@msmagazine.com, contentsuggestions@msmagazine.com

    Ms. has officially “jumped the shark” and it’s probably a lost cause, but we do need to let these faux feminists know that they do not speak for us.

  • turndownobama-com

    Just musing about what will replace the dinosaurs….

    As traditional media has less money to pay reporters to put their press cards in their fedoras and run up the courthouse steps two at a time to look through dusty records to verify facts … so it becomes easier for us all at home in our pajamas to access those records on the internet.

    If they can’t afford to send a camera crew to Outlandishstan, Outlandishstan can put their side of the story on Youtube. Hopefully some of us in our pajamas are smart enough and idle enough to sift through Youtube and find the relevant film and vet it to see if it’s authentic. Then viral it.

    I’m sure there are still a lot of things we can’f find and/or verify, one way or another. But … at least we can keep each other honest.

  • freckles

    Re: McCain….

    Remember his slogan: country first. It was NOT: country first unless the other guy wins when I will torpedo the SOB. It’s over – Obama will be prez so McCain will help unless O goes over the rails. It is the patriotic thing to do.

    As for rgb’s line about Brazile — excellent! I can only surmise that O feels he doesn’t have to reward her or Dean because they can’t harm him. Either that or he has rewarded them in a way we haven’t found out about yet.

  • turndownobama-com

    Otoh, once I visited a small town Chamber of Commerce meeting. About the time the few environmental activists were getting antsy about their rides and getting home to their children, one pro-development employee was saying brightly: “I don’t mind staying later. Being here is part of my job.”

    So — any ‘volunteer’ effort is vulnerable to shills in volunteer clothing. Site owner getting paid, if not by visible ad revenue, by under the counter cash from the bad big money guys.

  • turndownobama-com

    JanH Says:
    January 10th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
    USA Today:

    Governor Palin Says to Media, “There You Go Again”

    January 8, 2009, Anchorage, Alaska – Governor Sarah Palin today expressed dismay at continuing efforts in the media to take her comments out of context to create adversarial situations.

    =========================

    Thanks, Jan. Do you have a link to the USA Today story handy?
    tdo@turndownobama.com

  • JanH

    turndown,

    I’ve posted the link but it is in cyberspace at the moment. Hopefully it will come through soon.

  • Mrs. Smith

    # basil9 Says:
    January 10th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    Mrs. Smith,

    I read that too. It’s all about getting AA’s into power. Brazille wrote an ope-ed describing how, using BO, blacks could seize the reins of power. (forgot the name of it)

    Remember the RBC meeting in August 2007 when Florida was stripped of delegates? Who was doing the stripping? It was the AA members, same as at the farce RBC meeting on May 31 when 5 Michigan delegates were stolen from HRC.

    Who was in charge at that meeting? Dawson, Germond, Brazille, all AA and all more interested in promoting an unqualified black man then in the good of the country.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    yes, and who do you think were the oversight panel that last year said no problems at Fannie and Freddie?

  • Mrs. Smith

    # wbboei Says:
    January 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Mrs. Smith: that is a morbid sceario. I do not doubt that is one of their plans but:

    The best laid scheme
    Of mice and thieves
    Gang aft agley

    The more likely scenario: a helium filled balloon floats 500 feet above the ground and billows along in the warm summer air. Then it develops a how in it, helium strarts to leak out and down it goes.

    Moral to the story: gravity is a bitch. That goes for bambi and Gogzilla. Peas in a pod.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    you said it. Heres the difference, though. I want to get out in front of the deflating baloon and be waiting for them when they hit the ground with an eviction notice.

  • JanH

    From The Sunday TimesJanuary 11, 2009

    Hillary Clinton plays Mrs Nice Guy for Senate

    Some tough questions stand between the former First Lady and her new job as Barack Obama’s Secretary.

    NOTHING is being left to chance as Hillary Clinton awaits confirmation as secretary of state after losing the battle for the presidency that she once thought would be hers.

    Clinton has been engaging in some private diplomacy of her own in one-to-one meetings with members of the Senate foreign relations committee to minimise potentially damaging rows when her confirmation hearing begins on Tuesday.

    Republicans have promised to raise questions about the millions of dollars donated by Middle Eastern potentates to her husband Bill Clinton’s foundation, and about her clashes with Barack Obama during the Democratic primary campaign over his willingness to open talks without preconditions with adversaries such as Iran. At the time, she called his plans “frankly naïve”.

    The Senate hearing will offer the first glimpse of the newly fused Obama-Clinton foreign affairs strategy. It is no coincidence that the appointment of Dennis Ross and Richard Holbrooke, two veteran peace negotiators, as special envoys to trouble spots in the Middle East, Pakistan and Afghanistan was leaked last week ahead of an official announcement.

    This enables Clinton, 60, to say that special envoys, rather than Obama, will conduct any contentious preliminary negotiations.

    If the hearing is about Hillary Clinton, it will be a “coronation”, said Terry Holt, a former senior adviser to the Republican National Committee. Clinton, who has yet to resign as Senator for New York, is part of the same members’ club as her questioners. “It is the 500lb gorilla in the room, Bill Clinton, who could be the real problem,” Holt predicted.

    Bill Clinton’s list of donors to his library and global foundation is being trawled for improprieties but so far only one potential domestic scandal has been uncovered involving a gift of $100,000 by Robert Congel, an upstate New York developer.

    Hillary Clinton later helped the donor to secure millions of dollars of government assistance for a shopping mall. Her spokesman insisted there was no connection.

    One Republican said mournfully that the Republican senators on the committee would ask some token questions but Clinton would be able to swat them away.

    “There are still a handful of Clinton-haters who may try to embarrass her over her husband’s ties, but Senator Clinton is respected on both sides of the aisle for her iron-butt hard work,” said William Galston, an expert on public policy at the Brookings Institution in Washington.

    Any diffusion of tension will come as a relief to the Obama team, which has been embarrassed by several own goals after getting off to a widely praised start in November.

    Emboldened by their success in November’s elections, Democrats in Congress have been flexing their muscles over Obama’s plans for $300 billion tax cuts as part of his financial stimulus package.

    “O-bummer” ran the headline in Politico magazine after Democratic senators such as Kent Conrad blasted the tax cuts as “misdirected”.

    A nettled Obama challenged members of Congress to come up with their own ideas. “Just show me. If you can show me that something is going to work, I will welcome it,” he said. “What is not an option is for us to sit and engage in posturing or the standard partisan fights while the American people are out there struggling.”

    In a rare act of cooperation between rival administrations, President George W Bush has offered to come to Obama’s rescue by asking Congress for a second tranche of $700 billion in bail-out money which he secured at the height of the financial crisis last autumn.

    If Congress refuses, Bush may use his veto to override their decision, according to a report in yesterday’s Washington Post. So might Obama, if the row drags on beyond his inauguration.

    “There have been discussions between the administration and transition about how to proceed should the president-elect determine that he wants to have those funds available on January 20,” said Robert Gibbs, Obama’s designated White House spokesman. “No final decisions have been made, but we want to be ready to act if needed.”

    The president-elect was called “no-drama Obama” before the election, but there have been plenty of rows and scandals since, beginning with the Illinois governor Rod Blago-jevich’s attempt to sell Obama’s Senate seat.

    Some of Obama’s errors have been unforced, from the bungled nomination of Bill Richard-son as commerce secretary – he was obliged to withdraw after disputed allegations involving a leading donor in his home state of New Mexico – to the frosty reception accorded to Obama’s choice of CIA director.

    The selection of Leon Panetta, 70, a widely respected White House chief of staff under Clinton, for the post bruised some members’ egos after Obama failed to consult them over the appointment.

    Obama has also come under fire for plans to appoint Sanjay Gupta, CNN’s celebrity televi-sion doctor, as surgeon-general. Democrat congressman John Conyers has circulated a letter to colleagues questioning whether Gupta has the “necessary experience or even the medical background to be in charge of some 6,000 physicians”.

    In addition, Republicans are preparing to attack Eric Holder, Obama’s choice for attorney-general, who nodded through a controversial pardon for Marc Rich, a fugitive financier, when Bill Clinton left office.

    (Link to follow)

  • turndownobama-com

    Re a mother in law in the White House, Tipper Gore’s mother lived at the VP’s residence.

    Presidents’ relatives need to be protected so they cannot be kidnapped and held hostage. Cheaper this way than having a special SS unit to guard her elsewhere.

  • turndownobama-com

    blue said:
    TurnDown Obama has started a sterling site – MIDSTREAMNEWS.COM where there are links to dependable writing – and at least that’s a start. This cadre of ours on 44 can be the source of thoughtful resistance to the profound deterioration of our educational system, our means of informing the population of serious matters and our government which has lost its way.
    ==============

    Well, Blue, you are finding all the good articles to put up! The tone is credit to you. (I’ve been lazy lately.)

    Now that it’s all running smoothly and getting praise from elsewhere, what about expanding? I love the name Midstream News, nice and austere, but Google says it might conflict with other uses, so I’d like to have something more distinctive to expand with.

    Ideas, anyone?

  • Emjay

    basil9

    Your link to Brazille’s cnn article @5:51 has been scrubbed. At first it said it was archived, but I went after the archive and was told there was no such page.

    sigh…..

  • turndownobama-com

    basil, emjay,

    Re Brazile quotes, I suppose y’all have the one from Salon in 2004, some title like “Why People Hate Democrats” about why Kerry lost, and plugging Obama?

  • turndownobama-com

    JanH Says:
    January 10th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
    From The Sunday TimesJanuary 11, 2009

    Hillary Clinton plays Mrs Nice Guy for Senate

    Some tough questions stand between the former First Lady and her new job as Barack Obama’s Secretary.
    ===================

    Pretty slanted. Slanted several ways at once.

    Basically nonsense. Some Senators may enjoy taking shots but if Hillary were not confirmed she would remain in the Senate kicking ass there. Her enemies would rather have her safely overseas (and Bill too).

  • Mrs. Smith

    Admin: Link to Soros main Blog site

    http://www.americanprogressaction.org/

    you may find something useful..

  • holdthemaccountable

    O’s Lincoln fixation continues; took wife and kids to Lincoln Memorial last night. Maybe he sees himself as ‘completing’ Lincoln’s mission, adding reparations to the earlier abolition.

  • Carol

    I checked out midstreamnews.com and looked at their recommended journalists where I saw David Brooks.

    Sorry…..he was gaga over BO until he clinched the nomination then not so much….come on.

    I used to watch the Newhour and shields and Brooks until this election came around. I turned them off for good when only one view was presented…..the BO is magnificent view. Ugh!

  • ABM90

    Do not forget the date Tues Jan 13 2009 Hillary becomes a bonafide and true world leader as the new U.S. Secretary of State.She will be welcomed by the world as a Diplomat that can be trusted and relied upon to bring fairness courage and a deep understanding of todays world problems.She is trusted throughout the world for her no nonsense views and what the players from all countries are going to be held accountable as the world looks on with admiration and trust.
    This new career in world politics will make many male blowhard leaders insignificant including our very own untested untried and spend their time mulling over campaign contributions pork and winning the next one by hook or by crook.
    Sound familiar? Thank God she will not return to the senate to be vilified by the press and her jealous and hateful fellow members.
    The senate is a virtual snake pit too busy spouting venom at anyone they feel is not going with the flow in the Good ole boys and girls club.Change is needed but not the kind that BHO is hoping to bring to his constituents.The price to be paid for his changes will cerainly sink this country into a financial and social swamp of fear and hopelessness and deeper into a fourth world status.

    BY ABM90 Who needs MSM when we have Big Pink telling it how it really is.

  • holdthemaccountable

    Carol: I used to watch the Newhour and shields and Brooks until this election came around.
    ——————–
    Ditto. Even after I complained regularly via USPS.

  • holdthemaccountable

    i.e.: Even after I complained regularly via USPS, nothing but Brooks changed, and he changed only a little.

  • Carol

    I also complained via email….then I turned them off.

  • rgb44hrc

    From obamacrimes.com:

    01/03/2009: PRESS RELEASE – New Issue of GLOBE Magazine Highlights
    Berg vs. Obama U.S. Supreme Court Case and you can Vote if “natural born” or not.

    (Lafayette Hill, PA – 01/03/09) – Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States and his case, Berg vs. Obama, [is in the U.S. Supreme Court with two (2) Conferences scheduled on 1/09/09 & 1/16/09] announced today that the new issue of GLOBE Magazine [1/12/09 issue] highlights Berg vs. Obama U.S. Supreme Court case and is major story on the front of the magazine and is the centerfold story. There is a place for everyone to vote as to status of Obama, “natural born” or not.

    Berg stated, “This is the 2nd time GLOBE Magazine has highlighted the question of Obama’s lack of ‘qualifications’ to be President. More and more people are aware of the fact that Obama does not meet the ‘qualifications’ and that this is the biggest ‘Hoax’ perpetrated on the citizens of the United States in 230 years. When the truth finally comes out, individuals including Barack Hussein Obama, Michelle Obama, Howard Dean [Chair of the Democratic National Committee (DNC)], other top officials of the DNC and senior campaign staff of Obama’s campaign should be brought into the criminal justice system and indicted and tried with incarceration for those convicted.”

  • Mrs. Smith

    Phil Berg is truly a Patriot, representative of the fighting Founding Fathers!

  • Mrs. Smith

    Obama is scheduled to appear today (taped) for an interview with abc’s George Stephanopoulos. The comment section just about eats Obama alive.

    h’s***
    pumasunleashed.wordpress.com

  • rgb44hrc

    Last I heard, the Supreme Court will be holding some kind of hearing 1/23/2009. If you look at the date, you may notice that it is “too late”, that Obama would have already been sworn in.

    This makes me wonder if the SC is doing this on purpose. Perhaps they don’t want to be seen as “overturning an election”, taking it away from Dems and giving it to McCain. By 1/23, Joe Biden will officially have been sworn in as VP. Assume the SC will give Obama X number of days to provide a birth certificate and/or address other citizenship issues; if Obama cannot meet that deadline, the SC could then rule Obama must cede his position, but that Biden the sitting veep would move up, thereby ensuring the Dems retain the Executive branch.

    So under this scenario, Obama gets the slapdown he deserves, the Supremes show that they are up to the job of doing their jobs, even if it requires a strong stomach, Biden lucks out, and he’d be free to select his own veep. He might swap in Hillary, in deference to the fact that she was the strongest candidate in the primaries (aside from that whole DNC/Obama coup de’ parte). With SoS freed up, he’d a favor to dole out to say, John Kerry. Everyone would be happy.

    Okay, maybe not Obama…but maybe this is his ideal scenario. He doesn’t have to sweat out the grueling 1,461 days of a presidency. He gets his 1/20th coronation. “King for a day”. He “makes history”. He writes books about how the Supremes stole this from him.

    Biden then would be “45″. Hillary as veep can gear up for 2012, because Biden would not be viewed as the legitimate party leader, but as a place holder.

    admin then registers the domain name, hillaryis46.org.

    &&&&
    Granted, the realist/pessimist in me thinks the Supremes are not up to challenging Obama’s credentials, that there is some whole rotten stinking system of scheming (like, how does idiot “W.” become president????!!) coordinated by the plutocrats like Soros, etc, who let us hold elections to make us feel like we live in this thing called a “democracy”. It’s a nice fairy tale.

  • rgb44hrc

    The obamacrimes web site above (if you click on “Latest” tab on the left) shows a picture of the Globe’s cover, with headline, “Where Obama was REALLY Born”.

    You can vote too:

    If you’re convinced Obama is a natural born citizen, e-mail us at:

    Contact CitizenObama@globefl.com by email
    If you’re convinced he is NOT, e-mail us at:

    Contact NoCitizenObama@globefl.com by email

    &&&&&&

    Here’s the email I sent in to the latter:

    Let Obama provide a hard copy. I can’t even get a job at Kwikie Mart without providing a certified driver’s license, which I could not have gotten without an original birth certificate **with a raised seal**.

    Obama is a fraud. On-line versions of something looking like a birth cert is NOT sufficent. Having some paid administrator in Hawaii claim that “I’m holding in my hands right now as we speak, but I cannot show it to you because it would violate obama’s right to privacy” is bogus, because as a presidential candidate, he cedes rights to certain privacies.

  • rgb44hrc

    sorry about cut and paste weirdness. admin, feel free to clean up the redundant redundant last two paragraphs. You could like donate them to a charity or something.

  • rgb44hrc

    from NQ:

    What’s An Obot? (#2)

    By Steve_in_KCgravatarcloseAuthor: S

    I recently read a comment from an Obama supporter here at No Quarter, who asked, “What’s an Obot?”

    I think he was serious! Of course, an Obot is an Obama Robot, programmed to see Obama as good and pure, incapable of evil, and a hero who must be robustly defended from criticism.

    The word “Obot” came about mostly to describe a paid blogger; there were lots of those during the long campaign. Many were only in it for the money, but most truly believed they were fighting the good fight by attacking his opponents and their supporters mercilessly… and sometimes nonsensically. They were given daily email calls to action, with talking points (they all said the same things), and were basically brain-washed kids.

    The word kind of evolved from that, coming to include all those zombies who relentlessly visit anti-Obama blogs and spew their opposition to anyone who doesn’t get on the Obamawagon. Some argue intelligently, and they don’t really deserve the epithet, but there are so many who are just trolls, idiots, and really do seem to be programmed, just like real robots!

    This question, “what’s an Obot?” kind of reminded me of ten years ago when people just joining chat groups would ask, “What’s LOL?” “What’s IMHO?” And one of my favorites, “What’s STFUYMFPOS?”

    It also reminded me of a person I mentioned in my last piece, Jeff Foxworthy. That guy made himself a celebrity with one cute idea: “You might be a redneck if…”

    So with his shtick in mind, I got to thinking of some defining characteristics of Obots, hoping to milk some humor from it, derivative or not.

    I also thought this will make a great group effort! I’ll start off with some of the obvious ones, and you readers can chime in with whatever strikes your fancy to add to the list. If it’s funny, that’s great, but it needn’t be. Some things about Obots are just not funny, no matter how hard you try.

    So here’s my starter list:

    YOU MIGHT BE AN OBOT IF…

    You feel tingles running up or down your legs when That One is orating. (OK, I’m just getting warmed up, and I had to get that one out of my system. :)

    You’ve never paid any attention to politics until Obama ran for President, and now you’ve become a political expert by reading Huffington Post and/or Daily Kos.

    You get called a Cheetoh a lot but you don’t know why.

    You believe there are only about 200 PUMAs in the country.

    You weep with joy while repeating the mantra “YES WE CAN!”

    You think Hillary Clinton tried to “steal” the Democratic nomination.

    You fly into a rage when anyone suggests Obama is unqualified for the presidency.

    You’ve used the word “racist” more than any other word in the last year.

    You’ve developed a keen interest in Hawaiian body surfing.

    For the first time in your life, you are proud of your country, but only because it elected a black president.

    You believe that with Obama as president, this is a New Age when all wars will end, everyone will be provided for, and you don’t have to worry about paying your mortgage anymore!

    You think Obama is a Great Man because of his magnificent accomplishments … like getting elected, and uh, uh, uh…

    You think all Hillary Clinton supporters are middle-aged lesbians (not that there’s anything… yada yada yada… )

    You get a lump in your throat when you hear the words “President Obama.”

    You get a lump in your pants when you see Michelle Obama.

    You think Bill Ayers was a non-issue, and was done wrong by the evil media.

    You plan to name your children Barack and Baracka.

    You believe that saying his middle name is racist.

    You think the political platform of “change” is original to Obama.

    You believe PUMAs are Republicans pretending to be disaffected Democrats, kind of like Joe Lieberman.

    *******************************************************

    OK, you guys can take it from here. I’ve intentionally left out quite a few, and I know you’re up to the challenge!

    But I have to do this one! It’s my all-time classic favorite!

    You believe the “Whitey Tape” is a creation of Larry Johnson’s imagination… and that he has it in his possession!

  • Mrs. Smith

    Obama is scheduled to appear today (taped) for an interview with abc’s George Stephanopoulos. The comment section just about eats Obama alive.

    http://pumasunleashed.wordpress.com

    If Obama is removed because of the Citizenship issue, Biden would be president, no?

  • wbboei

    Isn’t a forgone conclusion that bambi does not have a valid birth certificate? The other possiblility is that he has one but it contradicts in some material way the myth he has spun in the two autobiographies that were ghost written for him. If it is the latter, then I would think he could produce it to the Supreme Court in camera and satisfy them on the point. Of course that would raise further questions. But it has to be one or the other. Either he does not have a valid birth certificate OR he has one but it would be politically embarrassing to produce it. The ultimate question however is whether the Constitution means anything. If I were a foreign agent I would go to extraordinary lengths to get copy of that certificate if it exists Then I would blackmail the hell out of him knowing how important it is to him to hide the truth on tnis issue. That is one of the things we need to worry about with him.

  • wbboei

    If the Supreme Court refuses to hear the Berg case it would be an adbication of ther constitutional duty in my opinion. The cases that preceded it were not worthy of a hearing and the courts refusal to hear them is understandable. I feel very differently about the Berg case however. I think that is a meritorios case. At a mininimum it should be heard, and if it is I will be fascinated to see how they deal with it. Granted, the Supreme Court has neither the power of the purse or the pen, and it must therefore weigh a major decision like this against the limits of their own institutional authority. However, it is also their core duty to interpret and guard the Constitution in a situation like this.

  • wbboei

    power of the purse (legislative) or the sword (executive)

  • Mrs. Smith

    wbboei Says:
    January 11th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    “I feel very differently about the Berg case however. I think that is a meritorios case. At a minimum it should be heard, and if it is I will be fascinated to see how they deal with it.”

    The SCOTUS is looking at it at from a Federalist perspective. Claiming Berg has ‘no standing’ and consequently is unable to be recognized by the court. His latest restructuring of the case, I believe may be able to penetrate the ipse dixit claimed by the court.

  • moononpluto

    If Obama is removed because of the Citizenship issue, Biden would be president, no?

    ……………………

    Well technically, I think the republicans would have a case to say they were the only legitimate people on the ballot, after all the ballot is for Obama and McCain, if Obama was illegitimately on the ballot, that means the democrat ticket was invalid and the republicans were not, it would be a mess but McCain could claim legitimately he was the president, as for Hillary she could then claim that she was technically the real democratic nominee.

  • moononpluto

    I still cannot in all unbiased reasoning why Obama refuses to release to the media and press the vaulted copy of his BC, is it possible, there actually isnt one at all?.

  • wbboei

    The SCOTUS is looking at it at from a Federalist perspective. Claiming Berg has ‘no standing’ and consequently is unable to be recognized by the court. His latest restructuring of the case, I believe may be able to penetrate the ipse dixit claimed by the court.
    ——————————
    Mrs. Smith: I am sure you are right about the first part. In fact, they are forced to “consider” it from that perspective since the court belong refused to hear the case on those grounds. I hope Berg has addressed that question. Are you sure the issue is federalism, or is it really one of pre-emption–meaning that congress has preempted the field when it comes to the enforcement of this provision, hence it is not within the scope of individuals or states for that matter to legislate or sue to enforce the clause. One of the best examples is the commerce clause.

  • wbboei

    Well technically, I think the republicans would have a case to say they were the only legitimate people on the ballot, after all the ballot is for Obama and McCain, if Obama was illegitimately on the ballot, that means the democrat ticket was invalid and the republicans were not, it would be a mess but McCain could claim legitimately he was the president, as for Hillary she could then claim that she was technically the real democratic nominee.
    ——————————–
    good analysis moon

  • henry

    Question
    If the cases about the citizen issue are not addressed by the court will anyone convicted under an Obama administration raise the issue again as if he is not legitimate neither would be the conviction?

  • Mrs. Smith

    “Mrs. Smith: I am sure you are right about the first part. In fact, they are forced to “consider” it from that perspective since the court belong refused to hear the case on those grounds. I hope Berg has addressed that question. Are you sure the issue is federalism, or is it really one of pre-emption–meaning that congress has preempted the field when it comes to the enforcement of this provision, hence it is not within the scope of individuals or states for that matter to legislate or sue to enforce the clause. One of the best examples is the commerce clause.”

    From the excuses I’ve read coming from the SCOTUS, there is no existing authority spelled out in the Constitution appointed to verify the Natural Born status of a candidate running for the presidency. In the past, it’s always been a given and an assumption, the candidate runnning for the presidency was a ‘natural born’ citizen and had been cleared early on of that hurdle at some lower level.

    aside: Obama had never been to Iraq until he was a presidential candidate.. Never as a senator traveling overseas on public transport. He would have had to pass through Customs handing over his passport for citizenship verifiction.

    Obama has always been very secretive about his origins. Except for what is written in his books, I’ve never heard him utter the words himself, he is a Natural Born citizen… cuz, then he might be trapped by the Lie.

    I did write to Berg pointing him to the First Continental Congress where Justice Brearley was in charge of National Security. In that it was his duty to verify the worthiness and standing of the delegates to the electoral college for casting their votes for the presidency. Also his duties would extend to whoever was a presidential candidate. Brearley founded the a Commission for National Security, The Brearly Commission which strangely enough is missing from almost every article containing his biography. I discovered the exact name to the Commision Brearley completely by acciden when looking for something else.

    The fact this Commision (of authority) is absent from his general biographies tells me it was deliberately scrubbed from the internet by the powers that be and should be pursued hammer and tong by Berg. To the point of going to Philly and searching the archives for Brearley’s original papers.

  • turndownobama-com

    Mrs Smith said: I did write to Berg pointing him to the First Continental Congress where Justice Brearley was in charge of National Security. In that it was his duty to verify the worthiness and standing of the delegates to the electoral college for casting their votes for the presidency. Also his duties would extend to whoever was a presidential candidate. Brearley founded the a Commission for National Security, The Brearly Commission which strangely enough is missing from almost every article containing his biography. I discovered the exact name to the Commision Brearley completely by acciden when looking for something else.

    The fact this Commision (of authority) is absent from his general biographies tells me it was deliberately scrubbed from the internet by the powers that be and should be pursued hammer and tong by Berg. To the point of going to Philly and searching the archives for Brearley’s original papers.
    ========================

    Hm? Are there no paper biographies of Brearley still in brick and mortor libraries? Or other paper books that would have such history?

    What is all this about things being ‘scrubbed’ from the internet? Some people, and now perhaps some govt archives, could be forced to take down some pages. Google could block them from being found. But how could all third parties be forced to take all copies down?

  • Mrs. Smith

    Justice Brearley would fit right in with us at Big Pink:

    David Brearley and the Making of the United States Constitution

    By Donald Scarinci

    In August 1787, with the Constitutional Convention near collapse, the deeply divided delegates turned to David Brearley for leadership. In just five days, the Brearley Committee created a powerful president, invented the vice-presidency, and concocted the Electoral College. It was a crowning accomplishment for New Jersey’s Supreme Court Chief Justice, who had already fought stubbornly and successfully for a Senate in which each state would have equal votes.

    David Brearley was born to revolution, the son of a radical who was jailed twice for his leadership of the anti-Proprietary land riots in the 1740s. Brearley served with Washington at Valley Forge, wooed two beautiful wives, and was the first American judge to declare a law unconstitutional — establishing the principle of judicial review a quarter-century before Chief Justice Marshall’s famous Marbury v. Madison ruling.

    You need to read his book or download it… for this information or search out his original papers to get this information, I believe they are in the Philly Archives..

  • Mrs. Smith

    turndownobama-com Says:
    January 11th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    “What is all this about things being ’scrubbed’ from the internet? Some people, and now perhaps some govt archives, could be forced to take down some pages. Google could block them from being found. But how could all third parties be forced to take all copies down?”

    Keywords. That option is available to websites where a poster by virtue of name recognition, e-mail, or keywords designating someone to be blacklisted is readily available in all software. It isn’t a ginormous task.

  • Mrs. Smith

    I should add. My reference to Brearely is an obscure precedent. That, I belive was scrubbed long ago before Obama even announced his decision to run. Had the discovery not been accidental, we’d never know there was such a thing preexisting.

    It isn’t a wonder the SCOTUS is so tight lipped with it’s rejection of all the suits regarding Obama’s birth status. They are afraid someone will actually discover the key to unlocking the doors to Justice.

  • turndownobama-com

    [On the first cover of Ms Magazine] A giant figure of Wonder Woman strides across the landscape, while the caption proclaims, “Wonder Woman for President.” No small irony that, four decades later, when a real live wonder woman ran a tight race for the Democratic presidential nomination, Hillary Clinton was mysteriously absent from the cover of Ms. Nor did this real live wonder woman have the full support and endorsement of many of the women’s groups that had sprung from the second wave of the women’s rights movement.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-01-11/how-feminism-became-the-f-word/
    Comment link at the bottom. Requires login/registration. We’ve had alerts here below.

  • turndownobama-com

    [On the first cover of Ms Magazine] A giant figure of Wonder Woman strides across the landscape, while the caption proclaims, “Wonder Woman for President.” No small irony that, four decades later, when a real live wonder woman ran a tight race for the Democratic presidential nomination, Hillary Clinton was mysteriously absent from the cover of Ms. Nor did this real live wonder woman have the full support and endorsement of many of the women’s groups that had sprung from the second wave of the women’s rights movement.

    h*********w

    thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-01-11/how-feminism-became-the-f-word/
    Comment link at the bottom. Requires login/registration. We’ve had alerts here below.

  • turndownobama-com

    Mrs. Smith Says:
    January 11th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
    turndownobama-com Says:
    January 11th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    “What is all this about things being ’scrubbed’ from the internet? Some people, and now perhaps some govt archives, could be forced to take down some pages. Google could block them from being found. But how could all third parties be forced to take all copies down?”

    Keywords. That option is available to websites where a poster by virtue of name recognition, e-mail, or keywords designating someone to be blacklisted is readily available in all software. It isn’t a ginormous task.
    ======================

    Huh? Say again in non-geek?

    I agree that the bots have been working on the ‘natural citizen’ thing since at least 2004.

  • Mrs. Smith

    Huh? Say again in non-geek?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    What? You’ve never heard of blocking a poster from a website? The concept works the same way with keywords for just about anything you want blocked or scrubbed from the net. Take down or change a url and that article is gone…

  • wbboei

    Mrs. Smith: that is some terrific research you are doing. I suspect the Library of Congress would have the volume you are looking for if the Philadelphia Archives do not. If Bechloss and Kearns Goodwin were not the political animals they are they could be helpful here, since this is a matter of potential historical interest.

    As far as presumptions are concerned–wasnt this provision put in the Constitution for the express purpose of barring Hamilton from becoming president? If so then there was a specific intent behind the clause and it is not surplussage.

    It may well be that prior to this election, in the absense of specific information to the contrary, a presumption of US Citzenship applied. But here there is compelling contrary evidence. Also, if memory serves, the Obama campaign opened the door by questioning the citizenship of McCain.

  • wbboei

    What? You’ve never heard of blocking a poster from a website? The concept works the same way with keywords for just about anything you want blocked or scrubbed from the net. Take down or change a url and that article is gone…
    ———————————–
    I was talking to one of our bloggers last night about this problem–the pimply faced creeps doing their version of bookburning. I was advised there is still a way to recover what they went to great lengths to delete or as you say scrub.

  • Mrs. Smith

    “As far as presumptions are concerned–wasnt this provision put in the Constitution for the express purpose of barring Hamilton from becoming president? If so then there was a specific intent behind the clause and it is not surplussage.”

    Yes, but the contention of the SCOTUS is ‘standing’… iow- the court is asking Berg where does he derive the authority/standing to ask the question relating to the citizenship issue.

    My idea was to resurrect the Brearley Commission to present day status using Brearley’s Charter as their mission statement. Plus the fact Hamilton was barred. It would be in the best interests of the Hamiltonians to keep that loophole open for another day into the future..no?

  • turndownobama-com

    wbboei Says:
    January 11th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
    What? You’ve never heard of blocking a poster from a website? The concept works the same way with keywords for just about anything you want blocked or scrubbed from the net. Take down or change a url and that article is gone…
    ———————————–
    I was talking to one of our bloggers last night about this problem–the pimply faced creeps doing their version of bookburning. I was advised there is still a way to recover what they went to great lengths to delete or as you say scrub.
    ==================

    wbboei, could you put this into non-geek for me? This sounds like a way to keep Google or other search engines from finding certain pages — that makes sense.

    But unless they are hacking into hundreds of websites, how could they do anything to the page itself, or to its url?

  • SHV

    John Kass is continuing to expose the most corrupt politicians to ever enter the WH.

    Chickens dancing, roosting in 5th District
    John Kass
    January 9, 2009

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-09-jan09,0,6818129.column

  • wbboei

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    Will The News Media Be Neutered?
    By Floyd and Mary Beth Brown
    January 10, 2009

    Connecticut is considering a bailout for local papers. But government assistance always comes with a catch. In the case of government aid of newspapers, it will destroy the ability of those papers to function as watchdogs. As journalism professor Paul Janensch told Reuters, “You can’t expect a watchdog to bite the hand that feeds it.” That’s why the news out of Connecticut is very disturbing.
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    This is what I believe Big Media wants from Bambi. There may even be a quid pro quo. If we see any direct proof we need to innundate Congress with letters of opposition. Why should taxpayers foot the bill for what is effectively state run media. By that I mean msnbc, cnn and nbc. Matthews tipped their hand a few weeks back when he said his media needed to. . . let me see what were his exact words . . . make the Obama Administration look good.

    The overburdened taxpayers should not be compelled to subsidize a media outlet with that business plan, any more than they should be required to subsidize any other manufacturer of a defective product. Nor should we go deeper in debt to China to save a media outlet which is nothing more than a proganda mill that pays a jackass like Olberman 7 million dollars per year to the airways with deranged hate speech, or cupidity for bambi. Sickos.

  • wbboei

    If msnbc is in financial trouble they should apply to the Obama campaign for financial assistance. I am serious.

  • wbboei

    Twenty years ago James Davidson and Lord Rees-Mog (Chairman London Times and BBC) made an interesting point in a very thoughtful book entitiled “The Great Reckoning”. This was ten years before Tom Friedman caught on to the challenges posed by globalization. They said you could buy 27 stock brokers in New Delhi for the cost of one American broker on Wall Steet. And over the past twenty years Wall Street has favored outsourcing of all jobs to cheaper cost markets–every job that is except their own.

    If you think about it big media is in a similar position. Think of how many credible thoughtful and unbiased people you could buy abroad for the cost of one silly goose like Campbell Brown–and so many other small minded, opinionated, never let a thing like the truth stand in the way of a sensational story American journalists. Johanthan Alter is another example of planned obsolencence. They are gossipy little creatures–bambi worshippers as oppose to watchdogs.

    They deserve no bailouts. Let them live by the same rules as the rest of us. Besides, they could use the competition. They are no better than any other monopoly, and should face the same risks as the rest of us. A strong infusion of foreign journalism could give the American People the truth they need to make intelligent choices at the ballot box rather than ones dictated by Pavlovian principles practiced by Big Media for its own benefit and not theirs.

  • Mrs. Smith

    wbb..

    I have the Green Planet channel on.. Ed Begley is hilarious. He’s driving his wife crazy with his Obsessive Compulsive need to conserve energy and live environmentally friendly. His bicycle is hooked up to his toaster. He pedals it for 10min every morning to make toast for breakfast. hee!

  • ShortTermer

    Just FYI in reference to David Brearly who was Chair of the Committee of Leftovers, here is a biography as found in the website teachingamericanhistorydotcom. Perhaps study of his precedent setting case of Holmes v. Walton might be reveiwed:

    Home > Constitutional Convention > Delegates > David Brearly

    David Brearly
    State: New Jersey

    Age at Convention: 42

    Date of Birth: June 11, 1745

    Date of Death: August 16, 1790

    Schooling: Attended College of New Jersey (Princeton), Did not Graduate, Honorary MA College of New Jersey 1781

    Occupation: Public Security and Interests, Lawyer, Chief Justice New Jersey Supreme Court

    Prior Political Experience: State Constitution of New Jersey 1776, Chief Justice of New Jersey 1779-1789

    Committee Assignments: Third Committee of Representation, Chairman of the Committee of Leftovers (Often referred to as the Brearly Committee)

    Convention Contributions: Arrived May 25, and except for two days, June 28 and July 5, was present through the signing of the Constitution. As chair of the Committee of Leftovers he was instrumental in creation of the Electoral College. William Pierce stated that “as an Orator he has little to boast of, but as a Man he has every virtue to recommend him.”

    New Government Participation: He was the chief presiding officer at the New Jersey ratifying convention, where he supported the ratification of the Constitution. President Washington nominated and the Senate confirmed Brearly as a Federal District Judge in 1789, he served in this position until his death in 1790.

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    Biography from the National Archives: Brearly (Brearley) was descended from a Yorkshire, England, family, one of whose members migrated to New Jersey around 1680. Signer Brearly was born in 1745 at Spring Grove near Trenton, was reared in the area, and attended but did not graduate from the nearby College of New Jersey (later Princeton). He chose law as a career and originally practiced at Allentown, NJ. About 1767 he married Elizabeth Mullen.

    Brearly avidly backed the Revolutionary cause. The British arrested him for high treason, but a group of patriots freed him. In 1776 he took part in the convention that drew up the state constitution. During the War for Independence, he rose from a captain to a colonel in the militia.

    In 1779 Brearly was elected as chief justice of the New Jersey supreme court, a position he held until 1789. He presided over the precedent-setting case of Holmes v. Walton. His decision, rendered in 1780, represented an early expression of the principle of judicial review. The next year, the College of New Jersey bestowed an honorary M.A. degree on him.

    Brearly was 42 years of age when he participated in the Constitutional Convention. Although he did not rank among the leaders, he attended the sessions regularly. A follower of Paterson, who introduced the New Jersey Plan, Brearly opposed proportional representation of the states and favored one vote for each of them in Congress. He also chaired the Committee on Postponed Matters.

    Brearly’s subsequent career was short, for he had only 3 years to live. He presided at the New Jersey convention that ratified the Constitution in 1788, and served as a presidential elector in 1789. That same year, President Washington appointed him as a federal district judge, and he served in that capacity until his death.

    When free from his judicial duties, Brearly devoted much energy to lodge and church affairs. He was one of the leading members of the Masonic Order in New Jersey, as well as state vice president of the Society of the Cincinnati, an organization of former officers of the Revolutionary War. In addition, he served as a delegate to the Episcopal General Conference (1786) and helped write the church’s prayer book. In 1783, following the death of his first wife, he married Elizabeth Higbee.

    Brearly died in Trenton at the age of 45 in 1790. He was buried there at St. Michael’s Episcopal Church.

  • ShortTermer

    Oops,I guess it may not be apropo, this Holmes v Walton as a synopsis is found at answersdotcom/topic/holmes-v-walton in the US History Encyclopedia: Holmes v. Walton

    Holmes v. Walton, a case decided by the Supreme Court of New Jersey in 1780. It is cited as one of the precedents for the doctrine of judicial review. The court declared unconstitutional a statute that provided in certain classes of cases that a jury might consist of six men. The legislature subsequently repealed the voided portion of the act. Thus, the right of the courts to pass upon the constitutionality of legislation was not denied, but the legislature claimed the final power to define the functions of each department of government.

  • wbboei

    SHV: thanks for posting the Kass article. He would be a great guy to have a drink with. He is in the tradition of fine investigative journalism that shines the light on the cockroaches (in the Rezko projects in Obamas district), etc. and puts big media to shame.

    These lines from the Kass article caught my eye and are well worth noting:

    Tomczak testified to this at a federal trial of other convicted Daley patronage chiefs.

    The mayor was so upset that his mouthpiece, David Axelrod, felt compelled to write an op-ed piece in the Tribune that took the side of patronage and clout, saying it wasn’t all that bad, really.

    Simultaneously, Axelrod was massaging the message for Obama about transcending the old, corrupt politics and ushering in the sunshine of reform, a slogan that sent tingles up the legs of pundits.

  • wbboei

    wbb..

    I have the Green Planet channel on.. Ed Begley is hilarious. He’s driving his wife crazy with his Obsessive Compulsive need to conserve energy and live environmentally friendly. His bicycle is hooked up to his toaster. He pedals it for 10min every morning to make toast for breakfast. hee!
    ——————————–
    Then we must issue him some carbon credits–postumusly/

  • ShortTermer

    This is disturbing to me. Doing research, found this that includes Annenburg video using in teaching history here in northern Florida. I wonder how widespread it is. No wonder America’s children know not the real happenings in American history. Now, where have I heard Annenburg before???????????

    http://www.paec.org/tahg/vod1.html

  • ShortTermer

    This is disturbing to me. Doing research, found this that includes Annenburg video used in teaching history here in northern Florida at least in 2003. I wonder how widespread it is. No wonder America’s children know not the real happenings in American history. Now, where have I heard Annenburg before???????????

    hs and ws added to paec.org/tahg/vod1.html

  • wbboei

    wbboei, could you put this into non-geek for me? This sounds like a way to keep Google or other search engines from finding certain pages — that makes sense.

    But unless they are hacking into hundreds of websites, how could they do anything to the page itself, or to its url?
    ———————————
    Turndown: if you are asking me how this is done I do not profess to know myself. But I will ask Emjay to explain it via email. I am not certain she knows either but she knows how to start the recovery process and that scrubbed items are recoverable/

  • wbboei

    The Kass statement noted above proves that the Obama presidency represents a take over of our national government by the Chicago machine. It confirms what Admin has said from the beginning.

  • Mrs. Smith

    Short Termer:

    I posted this excerpt upthread. The book written by Donald Scarinci givers Brearley his due in extraodinary detail. It’s no wonder the important facts of his biography have been buried by the Federalists..

    David Brearley and the Making of the United States Constitution

    h’s and w’s +

    njreporter.org/brearleynotes.html

    By Donald Scarinci

    In August 1787, with the Constitutional Convention near collapse, the deeply divided delegates turned to David Brearley for leadership. In just five days, the Brearley Committee created a powerful president, invented the vice-presidency, and concocted the Electoral College. It was a crowning accomplishment for New Jersey’s Supreme Court Chief Justice, who had already fought stubbornly and successfully for a Senate in which each state would have equal votes.

    David Brearley was born to revolution, the son of a radical who was jailed twice for his leadership of the anti-Proprietary land riots in the 1740s. Brearley served with Washington at Valley Forge, wooed two beautiful wives, and was the first American judge to declare a law unconstitutional — establishing the principle of judicial review a quarter-century before Chief Justice Marshall’s famous Marbury v. Madison ruling.

  • turndownobama-com

    wbboei and emjay,

    I’m not wanting technicalities. It just doesn’t make sense that they could ‘scrub’ something ‘off the net’ other than by:

    1. contacting the site owner to remove it
    2. hacking into the site
    3. hacking the search engines so they can’t find it

    If a page exists on my server, what would stop blogs from continuing to post the url?

    Are they hacking ICANN or some other thing that actually finds the page/site? If so, couldn’t the site owner just put the file up at a different page/site?

  • Illinois Underground

    An Early Drubbing For Obama

    By David S. Broder
    Sunday, January 11, 2009; B07

    It was not lost on anyone that the president-elect of the United States, riding the crest of his popularity, and the Democratic leadership of the U.S. Senate were outsmarted last week by a state politician who won his last election almost 20 years ago.

    When and if Roland Burris claims the Senate seat from Illinois formerly occupied by Barack Obama, it will represent the greatest climb-down by an incoming president since Sam Nunn turned Bill Clinton around on the issue of gays in the military at the start of Clinton’s first term.

    Fortunately for Obama, the voters are much more concerned with the economy and Obama’s effort to fix it than they are with the infighting over the Illinois Senate seat.

    But politicians keep score on each other all the time. And, after a near-perfect month of transition operations, Obama has stumbled twice in two weeks, first being caught unaware by the investigation of Bill Richardson, his choice for commerce secretary, and then being outmaneuvered by Burris and his tawdry sponsor, Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

    There are lessons for Obama in both incidents, starting with the importance of really knowing the other players in the game. Obama has had such a rapid rise in national politics that there are many key figures in both parties he barely has had time to size up.

    But Richardson was a familiar fellow traveler on the 2007-08 presidential campaign trail, and Obama should have known that there were reports of a grand jury investigation of pay-for-play in New Mexico.

    As for Blagojevich, Obama had to know, from his years in Springfield and Chicago, about the governor’s sleazy and ruthless reputation. But Obama seriously underestimated him.

    Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, got all 50 members of his caucus to sign a statement vowing that they would never accept a Senate appointee from Blagojevich’s tainted hands, after prosecutors had published excerpts of wiretaps in which the governor had salivated obscenely over the way he could cash in on Obama’s Senate vacancy.

    Obama personally endorsed that hard-line stand against seating anyone “tainted” by Blagojevich, issuing a statement that backed Reid and the others. But Burris was no more impressed than Blagojevich had been.

    When the governor called the senators’ bluff, Burris launched a public relations blitz on television, insisting that it would be unfair to punish him for the governor’s alleged sins. Ignored for the moment was the fact that Burris had been rejected by the voters in three straight Illinois Democratic gubernatorial races and in one primary for mayor of Chicago. Had the Democratic-controlled legislature ordered a special election, the odds against Burris would have been enormous.

    But Burris’s ego is limitless. And it turned out that Reid had, once again, failed to do his homework or line up his votes. When black Chicago congressman Bobby Rush played the race card, questioning why anyone would stand in the way of Burris succeeding Obama as the lone African American senator, you could feel a wave of anxiety go through Democratic ranks.

    Soon, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the outgoing chairman of the rules committee and a potential candidate for California governor next year, publicly called on Reid to relent. The Congressional Black Caucus weighed in on Burris’s behalf. By the time Burris sat down with Reid and Majority Whip Dick Durbin of Illinois, the fight was effectively over, and Burris was gracious about accepting their surrender. Obama conceded as well, saying that if the Senate seated Burris, “then I’m going to work with Roland Burris just like I work with all the other senators.”

    Obama justifiably figured that Burris was not worth a knockdown fight when he has so many bigger battles ahead of him. But the lesson that other politicians have drawn is that Obama may not always be able to count on his congressional allies and they may not be able to count on him. That is not the way he wanted to begin.

    davidbroder@washpost.com
    [link in next post]

  • Mrs. Smith

    Turndown it’s not your page per say.

    It’s the search engine used to find your site that would have the url blocked out where the possibility of someone who doesn’t know the exact url for your site would never see it. For instance, Google would have deleted it from their data base and Yahoo, and Askit..etc.

    You are looking at this from the wrong side of the telescope.

  • Mrs. Smith

    Illinois Underground Says:
    January 11th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    An Early Drubbing For Obama..

    I dunno IU.. There seems to be a huge moral disconnect with Illinois politicians. Blagojevich came through loud and clear in a Caponishesque speech after it was announced on Friday he was Impeached. Even more disturbing is how Burris is defending him.

    h’s

    pumasunleashed.wordpress.com/2009/01/11/burris-defends-the-impeached-blagojevich/

  • Illinois Underground

    Mrs. Smith – you’ve got that right. What will be interesting is when people realize that O is of the same material – participating and enabling this kind of business as usual.

  • Mrs. Smith

    # Illinois Underground Says:
    January 11th, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    Mrs. Smith – you’ve got that right. What will be interesting is when people realize that O is of the same material – participating and enabling this kind of business as usual.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Yes, we touched on that the other day with moon. Of the two, it was unanmous Obama
    is by far the more dangerous. He’s had years to polish and refine his ability to hide his deep seated racism and delusions of entitlement.

  • wbboei

    Mrs. Smith Says:

    January 11th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
    # Illinois Underground Says:
    January 11th, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    Mrs. Smith – you’ve got that right. What will be interesting is when people realize that O is of the same material – participating and enabling this kind of business as usual.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Yes, we touched on that the other day with moon. Of the two, it was unanmous Obama
    is by far the more dangerous. He’s had years to polish and refine his ability to hide his deep seated racism and delusions of entitlement
    —————————————–
    Illinois, Mrs. Smith: excellent points.

    I swear to you before this thing is over people will realize that this guy Obama has the biggest ego of any politician in our lifetime. And that aint good.

  • wbboei

    An Early Drubbing For Obama

    By David S. Broder
    Sunday, January 11, 2009; B07
    ————————————–
    Pretty good article by tippacannoe and tyler too or old fuss and spittle or whatever broders latest nome de plume happens to be. Carbon testing reveals he is at least 240 years old and evidently he has learned something in that last 6 weeks. But he still treats bambi like some innocent bystander in a wave of corruption, rather than the godfather he truly is. In another 500 years or so he just may figure it out. But by then of course it will hardly matter.

  • turndownobama-com

    Mrs. Smith Says:
    January 11th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
    Turndown it’s not your page per say.

    It’s the search engine used to find your site that would have the url blocked out where the possibility of someone who doesn’t know the exact url for your site would never see it. For instance, Google would have deleted it from their data base and Yahoo, and Askit..etc.
    ==============

    That sounds like what the Atlas Shrugged blog was describing as ‘sandboxing.’ So are the bots hackiing into Google’s database, or are they Google employees wth Google’s tacit backing, or have they found some other way to game Google? Google recently put up little boxes with ‘X’ and up-arrow, but people have been talking about ‘scrubbing’ and ‘sandboxing’ for longer than that.

  • wbboei

    Google employees wth Google’s tacit backing, or have they found some other way to game Google? Google recently put up little boxes with ‘X’ and up-arrow, but people have been talking about ’scrubbing’ and ’sandboxing’ for longer than that.\
    ———————————-
    If that is the case the little fuckers (sorry theres no other word that fits) should be fired. It should be a public hanging to deter future transgressions of this nature. If memory serves the ceo of that company was a Hillary supporter and hosted an event called women of google. The strength of this country right now is an open and free internet. Anybody who tries to shut that down–whether its Howard Dean or some little bot in the employ of Google is an enemy of the people. God bless the internet. It is the only place I could have gone to met all of you. It is the only place we can go to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Scrubbing is like bookburning. Big media is a joke.

  • turndownobama-com

    wbboei Says:
    January 11th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
    Google employees wth Google’s tacit backing, or have they found some other way to game Google? Google recently put up little boxes with ‘X’ and up-arrow, but people have been talking about ’scrubbing’ and ’sandboxing’ for longer than that.\
    ———————————-
    If that is the case the little fuckers (sorry theres no other word that fits) should be fired. It should be a public hanging to deter future transgressions of this nature. If memory serves the ceo of that company was a Hillary supporter and hosted an event called women of google.
    ==========================

    Sadly later the Google CEO/s came out strongly for Obama. Also reports of donations showed most Google employees donated to Obama, hardly any to Hillary.

    My vauge impressiono has always been that the Google founders were good guys, and probably still are — just deceived. I’d be surprised if the highest levels would knowlingly support anything unethical. But that is just a very vague impression.

  • wbboei

    wbboei Says:
    January 11th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
    Google employees wth Google’s tacit backing, or have they found some other way to game Google? Google recently put up little boxes with ‘X’ and up-arrow, but people have been talking about ’scrubbing’ and ’sandboxing’ for longer than that.\
    ———————————-
    If that is the case the little fuckers (sorry theres no other word that fits) should be fired. It should be a public hanging to deter future transgressions of this nature. If memory serves the ceo of that company was a Hillary supporter and hosted an event called women of google.
    ==========================

    Sadly later the Google CEO/s came out strongly for Obama. Also reports of donations showed most Google employees donated to Obama, hardly any to Hillary.

    My vauge impressiono has always been that the Google founders were good guys, and probably still are — just deceived. I’d be surprised if the highest levels would knowlingly support anything unethical. But that is just a very vague impression.
    ——————————–
    Thanks turndown. I guess I am way off on that. It must have been one of the other silcon valley companies. I can distinctly remember her appearing before whatever company that was and the ceo saying that he had met iran magaziner and raved to him about how smart bill is and magaziner agreed but the said but you know something Hillary is smarter. She was wearing a grey suit and thats about all I can remember. But if you say it wasnt google that is good enough for me. Do you know who it was that I am thinking of?

  • turndownobama-com

    wbboei,

    I’m not saying it WAS NOT Google in earlier days. It was late that they came out for Obama. I don’t know what they did earlier (though such a strong reversal seems unlikely).

  • wbboei

    Turndown: I know youre not. But I just cannot understand what happened over there. It was Google. Women of Google. And the ceo was falling all over himself for Hillary. What happened over there?????

    YouTube – Women@Google: Hillary Clinton

    The Women@Google speaker series hosts 2008 Presidential …


  • wbboei

    As I review that tape now 9 months later I am struck by the naivetee of google ceo. He depicts th is process as “an extended job interview”.

    Give me a fucking break. 2000 complaints in the caucuses, kangaroo court rbc, big media hit job on hillary, refusal to vet obama, intimidation of sds, hundreds of millons in illegal contributions to crime lord obama and THIS MENCH has the audacity to call it an extended job interview?

    Ya, sure, yabetcha.

    “extended job interview” it was not. What is was was a big media hit job and power grab.

  • wbboei

    Sorry. I got carried away. But I happen to believe there was nothing legitimate about this process and it may have been many things but an extended job interview is was not. The problem with that characterization, which was rendered before the fact, is it fails to take account of the line that was crossed in this election. And in my view, there is no living with it. Hillary won the popular vote but they rigged the game to prevent her from winning. And the country is at risk because of it. He did not win–he cheated. Time and again the people were cheated. And we still do not know for sure to what ultilmate end, but there is cause for grave concern.

  • Mrs. Smith

    January 11th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
    # Illinois Underground Says:
    January 11th, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    Mrs. Smith – you’ve got that right. What will be interesting is when people realize that O is of the same material – participating and enabling this kind of business as usual.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Yes, we touched on that the other day with moon. Of the two, it was unanmous Obama
    is by far the more dangerous. He’s had years to polish and refine his ability to hide his deep seated racism and delusions of entitlement
    —————————————–
    Illinois, Mrs. Smith: excellent points.

    I swear to you before this thing is over people will realize that this guy Obama has the biggest ego of any politician in our lifetime. And that aint good.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    We know how dangerous Obama really is… but it’s the Left who will beome the biggest problem. They B-E-L-I-E-V-E-D!

  • Mrs. Smith

    # wbboei Says:
    January 11th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    Sorry. I got carried away. But I happen to believe there was nothing legitimate about this process and it may have been many things but an extended job interview is was not. The problem with that characterization, which was rendered before the fact, is it fails to take account of the line that was crossed in this election. And in my view, there is no living with it. Hillary won the popular vote but they rigged the game to prevent her from winning. And the country is at risk because of it. He did not win–he cheated. Time and again the people were cheated. And we still do not know for sure to what ultilmate end, but there is cause for grave concern.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Take heart! They are going to fail. They are already failing. Bush can’t get away from the WH fast enough. He’s leaving Obama holding the bag in an impossible situation and he will fail. The only question left to be answered is WHEN?

  • wbboei

    We know how dangerous Obama really is… but it’s the Left who will beome the biggest problem. They B-E-L-I-E-V-E-D!
    ———————————–
    Amen, amen, amen.

    I watched the most brilliant trial lawyer of our generation deliver a deadly opening statement to a mock jury in an insurance defense case, where he sought from the beginning to cast doubts and aspersions on the plaintiffs case.

    His words were . . . . and I will prove to you at the conclusion of the evidence that YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED.

    In this life nobody want to be seen as a fool or a sucker. Nobody. If you sucker me into believing something which is not true, I will take it out on you. It may well be that I was naive to believe it in the first place, but my ego does not permit me to blame myself. I will blame you.

    That is the psycological principle which will be working against bambi where the far left is concerned. Simply put, he deceived them. In additon, he violated the cardinal rule of all leadership: underpromise and overdeliver. Never the reverse.

  • wbboei

    I think back to the initial reactions of Shields and Brooks. Shields is a nice guy, Brooks appears to be more brittle. But both of them were speechless when they first saw Obama. They echoed this bullshit that he is a new kind of politics and fell right into the trap Axelrod set for them.

    It is a new kind of politics only if you have never seen a social movement before. A social movement occurs in response to unmet needs–in this case the lack of progress in the aa community and a youth who faces an unprecedented set of challenges. The costs and mistakes of our generation have been pushed unto a posterity which has no vote I once said paraphrasing Shaw.

    The failure of the status quo to respond to these issues created the conditions for a social movement. The elites knew that and they also know how guilty people felt about the countrys racist past. So they selected an AA candidate, he preached a new kind of politics and that sucked all the oxygen out of the room. Burris did the same thing to them with the same result.

    IF the the candidate was a legitimate leader like Martin Luther King, John L. Lewis, Samuel Gompers it would work. But if he was not legitimate–if he was the scion of the most corrupt political machine in the country, then people could be induced or shamed into voting for him but he could not deliver. In that case he could well become a huge disappointment to the people who saw him as a beacon of hope.

  • wbboei

    The great tragedy for the country is Hillary HAD THE ANSWERS for youth and african americans. Unlike Obama, she is not a shill for big business. The policies she advocated would have improved their lives but they could not see it. The only thing they saw was race, and flowery rhetoric. It may be they would have figured it out in time, had it not been for corrupt big media who was more interested in ensuring its own survival and pampered existence than in doing what is right for the country.

  • wbboei

    If you believe as I do that it is fatal to overpromise and over deliver, then there is no reason to get discouraged about this innaugueration extavaganza. Instead, you should rejoice in it, tell them to pull out all the stops and when his worshipers say he is Lincoln you should say oh no he is far greater than Lincoln and the moment he takes over it will be a new heaven and a new earth. Set your stop watch, take pictures and never forget what he promised–and then failed to deliver.

  • wbboei

    sorry-overpromise and UNDERdeliver.

  • SHV

    This is well worth a read…A few people may be coming to their senses…

    Glen Greenwald at Salon (He is beginning to realize that he has been had by the “O”.)

    Sunday Jan. 11, 2009 08:23 EST
    Obama’s allegedly “new” centrism and his ABC interview today

    w.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/

  • Mrs. Smith

    It’s a shame Greenwald needed four updates to gain a perspective. I read somewhere Guantanamo prisoners are being sent to Britain. That is where they will ultimately end up, Obama has already washed his hands of a make believe scenario where he is hard pressed to resolve a legal conundrum.

    Obama’s new centrism is nothing more than a George Soros project, once again stolen from the Clintons. You can read it here…

    w.americanprogressaction.org/

    Don’t mind me. I’m just disgusted with the whole damn bunch of whackadoodle pundits.

  • SHV

    Don’t mind me. I’m just disgusted with the whole damn bunch of whackadoodle pundits.
    ***********
    No more than I, however, the more people that call bullsh*t on Obama the better.

  • turndownobama-com

    wbboei,

    I guess I’m in moderaton for quoting a post with a link in it.

    I was just saying that many people supported Hillary in the primary but then supported Obama against McCain in November. The Google CEO’s might have been among them.

    We might look up the dates of the employee donations; some employees were probably bots all along.

  • debbie

    a friend send this to me..

    “It is extremely surprising that the Arab financed TV in Dubai would
    allow this to air. Be sure and watch this, it is so powerful I have no
    doubt she now has a very large price on her head. I also have no doubt
    it won\’t be on the air long . She is one impressive woman. Here is a
    powerful and amazing statement on Al Jezeera television.
    The woman is Wafa Sultan, an Arab-American psychologist from Los Angeles .”

    http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=nul

    ***
    I don’t know it you can link to it but it is very powerful and the woman is very brave to speak out as she has done

  • turndownobama-com

    Put Ms. Magazine in NOW’s “Media Hall of Shame”

    h…….w
    now.org/issues/media/hall_of_shame/suggestion.html

    Here’s why:

    h….. no w
    thenewagenda.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ms1971.bmp

  • turndownobama-com

    Put Ms. Magazine in NOW’s “Media Hall of Shame”

    http://www.now.org/issues/media/hall_of_shame/suggestion.html
    VERY EAST VOTE

    Here’s why – compare their Obama cover with their Wonder Woman cover:
    http://thenewagenda.net/2009/01/11/vote-in-nows-media-hall-of-shame/

  • henry

    Can anyone explain to me why the guy from 30 rock when accepting an award for best comedy chose to make the moment about racism and why he singled out the actress Cate Blanchett in doing so?

  • rgb44hrc

    NY Times:
    Bush Calls on G.O.P. to Be Inclusive
    By JIM RUTENBERG
    President Bush warned his fellow Republicans against appearing “anti-immigrant” while offering kind words for his successor in one of his last major interviews.
    [snip]

    …in a marked departure from his own hate-spewing?

    Did he mean “Don’t **appear** to be anti- this or that”, or are you supposed to actually not **be** anti- this or that?

    Bush, what a joke. Without him, Obama probably would not have been “needed”, taking away a critical crutch. And without Bush lowering the bar, Obama would have been deemed VASTLY UNDERQUALIFIED. But seeing Bush muddle through not just 1,461 days, but over 2,800 of them, I guess the American public thought, “Shoot, ANYONE can do that job.”

  • NewMexicoFan

    Debbie

    Thanks for the video. I shared that with a number of my friends. She is a brave women.

  • wbboei

    Turndown: here is my nomination to the NOW hall of shame:
    ———————————-
    MS. MAGAZINE: for its disingenous, self serving and hypocritical portrayal of the president elect as a feminist. This for the man whose campaign played the rap song 500 Problems and A Bitch Aint One of Them, made cheap public comments like not feeling well, flipped Hillary the bird in one prominet scene, calls women sweetie. This magazine betrays its principles for power. It is like high school–deathly afraid to not be part of the in group.

  • wbboei

    Bush is wrong way corregon. Everything he says everything he does is wrong. There is not anti immigrant feeling that I have seen in this country. What I do see however is a sense of outrage against the failure to enforce our immigation laws and against the long term incarceration of two border agents on trumped up charges by his friend and us attorney who took strong action against a drug runner. As if we neeeded any more evidence that Bush is the worst president in our history–until now.

  • wbboei

    Glen Greenwald at Salon (He is beginning to realize that he has been had by the “O”.)
    ——————————–
    OK Glen look in the mirror and repeat after me:

    Look into the pewter pot
    And see the Barack as the Barack is not
    For faith tis pleasant til tis past
    The mischief is that will not last

    Wait until he discovers the real truth: that Hillary was the populist and Obama is the shill for big business. Last time I looked the hard left as not enamorate of big busines.

    Glenn needs to take a hard look at who gave him his money. That 750 million now 625 which he will not identify. Peasants around the world no doubt. I can document the meetings he had with Soros and world bankers and how they helped plan his campaign. So can others.

    But then I saw the morning sky
    Hi ho the tale was all a lie
    The world it was the old world yet
    Stay tuned for Bush 3

  • basil9

    I just listened to GWB’s last press conference and I swear I NEVER would have thought I would consider him articlate, dignified, authentic and expressive but after a year of BO-messiah-mania-mayhem Bush seems like a breath of fresh air in comparison.

    Abslutely fascinating. no uhs-ers-umms-.

    Amazing. :shock:

  • rgb44hrc

    BOTS: START REJOICING; YOUR MESSIAH CONTINUES TO BREAK HIS PROMISES TO YOU. BUT DON’T WORRY, YOU STILL HAVE THE INAUGURATION TO FEEL ALL EXCITED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, “MAKING HISTORY”.

    (my comments preceded by $$$ sprinkled throughout)

    Obama Signals His Reluctance to Look Into Bush Policies
    By DAVID JOHNSTON and CHARLIE SAVAGE
    Published: January 11, 2009

    WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama signaled in an interview broadcast Sunday that he was unlikely to authorize a broad inquiry into Bush administration programs like domestic eavesdropping or the treatment of terrorism suspects.

    $$$ Can’t upset the string-pullers who installed you into office.

    But Mr. Obama also said prosecutions would proceed if the Justice Department found evidence that laws had been broken.

    $$$ But not if it makes well-connected people uncomfortable.

    As a candidate, Mr. Obama broadly condemned some counterterrorism tactics of the Bush administration and its claim that the measures were justified under executive powers. But his administration will face competing demands: pressure from liberals who want wide-ranging criminal investigations, and the need to establish trust among the country’s intelligence agencies. At the Central Intelligence Agency, in particular, many officers flatly oppose any further review and may protest the prospect of a broad inquiry into their past conduct.

    $$$ During the campaign, “We will not tolerate flagrant abuses of the constitution. Feel my love, Bots. Feel my passion for the issues.”
    $$$ Now: “Whatever”

    In the clearest indication so far of his thinking on the issue, Mr. Obama said on the ABC News program “This Week With George Stephanopoulos” that there should be prosecutions if “somebody has blatantly broken the law” but that his legal team was still evaluating interrogation and detention issues and would examine “past practices.”

    Mr. Obama added that he also had “a belief that we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards.”

    $$$ “I made a deal with the devil to live in the White House, and swore a death oath to protect my Installers”

    “And part of my job,” he continued, “is to make sure that, for example, at the C.I.A., you’ve got extraordinarily talented people who are working very hard to keep Americans safe. I don’t want them to suddenly feel like they’ve got spend their all their time looking over their shoulders.”

    $$$ That whole “oversight” thing is just so…annoying.

    The Bush administration has authorized interrogation tactics like waterboarding that critics say skirted federal laws and international treaties, and domestic wiretapping without warrants. But the details of those programs have never been made public, and administration officials have said their actions were legal under a president’s wartime powers.

    There was no immediate reaction from Capitol Hill, where there has been a growing sense that Mr. Obama was not inclined to pursue these matters. In resisting pressure for a wider inquiry, he risks the ire of influential Democratic lawmakers on Congressional judiciary and intelligence committees and core constituencies who hoped his election would cast a spotlight on President Bush’s antiterror efforts.

    $$$ Core constituencies who will be learning for the next 1,461 days what a traitor to their causes this guy will be.

    The issue will also be an important early test of his relationship with conservatives in Congress and the country’s intelligence agencies; both groups oppose any further review.

    On other terrorism issues, Mr. Obama suggested in the interview that his approach might be more measured. He said the closing of the detention center at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, which once seemed to be an early top objective, was not likely to happen during the first 100 days of his administration.

    $$$ “Measured” means “no change from Bush’s positions”.

    “It is more difficult than I think a lot of people realize,” Mr. Obama said, “and we are going to get it done. But part of the challenge that you have is that you have a bunch of folks that have been detained, many of whom who may be very dangerous, who have not been put on trial or have not gone through some adjudication.”

    $$$ “Bunch of folks”. Sheesh, another idiot, just like W.

    Mr. Obama has in the past condemned waterboarding, and he was explicit in the interview that he regarded the use of the technique, in which a subject is made to believe that he is drowning, as torture, prohibited by statute. And the president-elect said he disagreed with Vice President Dick Cheney, who has defended the practice.

    $$$ “…in the past condemned ___” was when he was trying to sucker you Obots out of your votes.
    Now that he’s in, he doesn’t need you anymore. He thought your *opinions* and *issues* were silly, but he had to pay them lip service until Nov. 4th. Now that that’s over, the pretense is no longer needed. “You are dismissed. Oh, and please contribute. And the Suggestion Jar is by the door.”

    “Vice President Cheney, I think, continues to defend what he calls extraordinary measures or procedures when it comes to interrogations,” Mr. Obama said, “and from my view, waterboarding is torture.”

    $$$…Right, right, and so this is where you launch an investigation, to make things right…

    Mr. Obama’s choice for attorney general, Eric H. Holder Jr., is widely expected to be asked about his views on these issues at his confirmation hearing this week. Associates say Mr. Holder is open to prosecutions based on specific accusations but is less eager to use the criminal law to commence wide-ranging inquiries. Before being chosen for the Obama cabinet, he said there should be “a reckoning” over Bush administration policies.

    $$$ Holder: “We’ll be taking the Petty Bureaucrat approach, rather than the Bold Leadership approach. We’re trying to fit in with the DC mentality”.

    Lawyers who represented Bush administration officials over the years expressed little surprise that Mr. Obama’s legal and national security team had lost whatever appetite it might have had for delving into alleged misdeeds of the Bush years.

    “A new president doesn’t want to look vengeful,” said a former Bush White House lawyer, Bradford A. Berenson, who was a Harvard law classmate of Mr. Obama and has represented administration figures as a private lawyer, “and the last thing a new administration wants to do is spend its time and energy rehashing the perceived sins of the old one.

    “No matter how much the Obama administration’s most extreme supporters may be screaming for blood, the president himself doesn’t seem to share that bloodlust.”
    Moreover, any effort to conduct a wider re-examination would almost certainly provoke a backlash at the country’s intelligence agencies.

    Mark Lowenthal, who was the assistant director for analysis and production at the C.I.A. from 2002 to 2005, said if agents were criminally investigated for doing something that top Bush administration officials asked them to do and that they were assured was legal, intelligence officers would be less willing to take risks to protect the country.

    “There are just huge costs to the day-to-day operation of intelligence,” Mr. Lowenthal, now the president of the Intelligence and Security Academy, said of a potential investigation. He added that he saw no benefit to such an effort because, he said, the public was not clamoring for it.

    But it may be difficult for Mr. Obama to resist the pressure for a fuller public accounting, and lawmakers appear ready to proceed even without his support.

    The House Judiciary Committee chairman, Representative John Conyers Jr., Democrat of Michigan, has already introduced a measure to create a commission to investigate Mr. Bush’s detention, interrogation and rendition policies. Mr. Conyers’s bill would establish a bipartisan nine-member commission with subpoena power and a mandate “to investigate the broad range of policies” undertaken with claims that Mr. Bush’s wartime powers as commander in chief trumped laws and treaties.

    The measure by Mr. Conyers is not the only sign that Congress may force the issue. Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon, the second-ranking Democrat on the intelligence committee, said such a commission might not be necessary because the panel itself would press the administration to declassify as much information about C.I.A. prisons as possible.

    “With regard to the C.I.A. interrogation program,” Mr. Wyden said in an interview, “if you want to make a break with the flawed policies of the past, as the president-elect has said he wishes to do, you have got to come clean about what happened over the past eight years, and that is why I’m going to push very hard to declassify these documents.”

    Mr. Obama’s legal team could also be forced to react to litigation pending before federal courts. For example, the Bush administration has invoked the state-secrets privilege to avoid disclosing information about its surveillance program being sought in a civil lawsuit. The Obama legal team will have to decide how to handle that case.

    In a related area, Mr. Conyers has indicated that he intends to keep pressing a House Judiciary Committee investigation into the Bush administration’s firings of nine United States attorneys and other accusations of political favoritism in hiring at the Justice Department.

    $$$ and in another related area, Conyers should be pressed for what favors he was granted for throwing his own Michiganders under the Primary Bus.

    The Bush administration has blocked subpoenas from Congress for documents and testimony by White House officials in that case, citing executive privilege. Last week, Mr. Conyers reissued the subpoenas to Mr. Bush’s chief of staff, Joshua B. Bolten, and his former White House counsel, Harriet E. Miers, in the name of the new Congress, ensuring that a lawsuit over the dispute will stay alive into the Obama presidency.

    Mr. Obama is facing even more intense pressure from liberal, human-rights and civil-liberties groups to allow some kind of investigation into the Bush administration’s terrorism policies.

    $$$ Good luck. He won’t be showing you any love until mid 2012 when he’ll be facing re-election, and a vengeful public.

    Chris Anders, senior legislative counsel at the American Civil Liberties Union, said it would be a simple matter to start such an inquiry because the Justice Department’s special prosecutor, John H. Durham, is already investigating whether the C.I.A. acted illegally when it destroyed videotapes of its harsh interrogations. Mr. Anders said Mr. Durham’s mandate could be expanded to look into whether the interrogations depicted on the tapes were illegal.

    $$$ Simple? Sure. But will it piss off the people who installed him? You betcha.

    Some groups are focused on prosecution. Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, said prosecution efforts were justified, even if they did not lead to convictions, as a way to deter future officials from undertaking a similar “assault on the law itself.”

    Other groups want fuller public disclosure. They favor a commission that would answer lingering questions about exactly what happened — like disclosing how many Americans were wiretapped without warrants and making a detailed accounting of what interrogators did to each detainee and the real value of the information they obtained through the enhanced tactics.

    “One of the things that is going to have to happen is an examination and, to the extent possible, a public airing of the validity of the claims that these policies enhanced our security,” said Elisa Massimino, the executive director of Human Rights First. “Because there is a lot of reason to think that calculus hasn’t been accurate.”

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