Blagojevich Fights, Obama Sweats

Barack Obama repeatedly hosts homophobes at his events and has decades long friendships and business relationships and actual personal business transactions with slumlords and now convicted felons – but the Hopium addled denounce our reciting these facts as “guilt by association”. “Facts” are now denounced in Bush/Obama world as “guilt by association”.

Hypocrite Democrats meanwhile tie this Saturday’s coming birth of Governor Sarah Palin’s daughter’s baby to the recent arrest of Governor Sarah Palin’s daughter’s in-the-future mother-in-law. Lesson for Hypocrite Democrats: that is “guilt by association”.

We suppose the Hopium addled will take out their “guilt by association” trumpets and be unhappy with the latest reporting from Chicago corruption watchers:

President-elect Barack Obama’s incoming chief of staff Rahm Emanuel had a deeper involvement in pressing for a U.S. Senate seat appointment than previously reported, the Sun-Times has learned. Emanuel had direct discussions about the seat with Gov. Blagojevich, who is is accused of trying to auction it to the highest bidder.

Emanuel talked with the governor in the days following the Nov. 4 election and pressed early on for the appointment of Valerie Jarrett to the post, sources with knowledge of the conversations told the Sun-Times. There was no indication from sources that Emanuel brokered a deal, however. [snip]

But sources with knowledge of the investigation said Blagojevich told his aides about the calls with Emanuel and sometimes gave them directions afterward. Sources said that early on, Emanuel pushed for the appointment of Jarrett to the governor and his staff and asked that it be done by a certain date.

As Sherlock Holmes would say “The game is afoot!” The investigations will continue. Any “overt acts” will be uncovered.

Meanwhile the Illinois legislature, controlled by Democrats, is in session. Earlier, they had said they would legislate a special election to replace the very replaceable Barack Obama. Now, aware that the Democrats might lose the election due to the Obama Chicago Culture Of Corruption, the Democrats have decided not to risk asking voters to decide who the next Illinois Senator will be.

The problem is that Blagojevich is not going away. Blagojevich will fight. Blagojevich might even talk – or is it “Sing”.

The “reform” and “change” Governor of Illinois will fight.

Gov. Rod Blagojevich said Friday that he was not guilty, that he is not stepping down as governor and that he will “fight until I take my last breath.” [snip]

He said he will not step down or resign from office and intends to address the allegations against him in court.

He said he expects to be vindicated.

“I’m here to tell you right off the bat that I am not guilty of any criminal wrongdoing, that I intend to stay on the job, and I will fight this thing every step of the way. I will fight, I will fight, I will fight until I take my last breath,” Blagojevich said. “I have done nothing wrong.”

He cast himself as a victim in the case, and said he will not let a “political lynch mob” force him from office. [snip]

Prosecutors say FBI wiretaps caught Blagojevich scheming to deal President-elect Barack Obama’s vacant Senate seat for campaign cash or a plum job. He is also accused of attempting to withhold funding to the facilitate the Tribune Company sale of Wrigley Field if editorial writers for the Tribune paper weren’t fired, and attempting to shake down Children’s Memorial Hospital. [snip]

The document indicated that the impeachment committee plans to accuse Blagojevich not of the charges in the criminal complaint, but of abuse of power charges. Among them are entering the Family Care Program into law with no legislative approval, illegal spending on flu vaccines, hiring of consultants and contractors, and giving $1 million to the Loop Lab School that later vanished.

Blagojevich will not be impeached for the charges in the criminal complaint. The charges in the criminal complaint are just really the Chicago Way.

Yup, it’s the Chicago Way. John Kass discusses Jesse Jackson, Jr.:

The Junior G-Man thing began after the governor was charged with trying to sell the Senate seat of President-elect Barack Obama to the highest bidder, including emissaries of an unidentified Candidate 5, who later was identified as Jackson.

The Tribune then reported that a group of Indian businessmen held a fundraiser for Blagojevich—with Jackson’s brother Jonathan in attendance—and quoted several businessmen that they raised the money hoping Blagojevich would make Jackson the next senator.

“I never sent a message or an emissary to the governor to make an offer, plead my case or propose a deal about a U.S. Senate seat, period,” Jackson said.

Jackson was in a bind. He wasn’t being accused of a crime, but people who wanted him in the Senate were willing to pony up, and things were getting sticky. You could imagine the Jackson brain trust pacing the floor in fear, stroking their chins, muttering, “What to do? What to do?”

Just sweat it out Jesse. That’s what Obama’s doing. Just sweating it out and hoping the Governor does not decide to become the Singing Governor.

In Obama’s Chicago – “Change” and “Reform” are just words.

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308 thoughts on “Blagojevich Fights, Obama Sweats

  1. No wonder Obama is always working out. He doesn’t want us to know when he’s sweating from that, or just sweating in general.

    nice work, admin

  2. Admin, great article! The longer Blagovich fights the harder Bambi and assoc. sweat! I love it! Fight Blago, Fight! He may be corrupt, but so are the rest of them, I am very happy to see them fighting it out like a pack of dogs. When they do this, we will find out all about Bambi and his inner circle of henchman. God save our country!

  3. Admin> gosh we haven’t had a singing governor since Jimmy Davis (D-La) 1944-1948. He composed the song “You Are My Sunshine”.

    So its high time we had another one. If Governor Blag decides to sing on Bambi and the Combine, why he will be my sunshine.

    Sunshine is the best policeman, fresh air is the best disinfectant. Merry fitzmas to all and to all a good night.

  4. rgbhrc44, yep Obama did not do any work for Illinois during his 4 year stent, but maybe thats a blessing in disguise. LOL!! He votes absent and he is absent!

  5. After watching that video clip I am thinking he will not be pleading the insanity defense.

    Perhaps the gravaman of his defense will be when in rome do as the romans do. That will open the door for some interesting testimoy.

    I will be most interested in knowing what prior conversation or transactons or knowledge caused blag to believe Bambi would be open to a bribe.

    We need to find out before foreign goverments do to avoid the potential for blackmail and sell out of American interests.

    But since Bambi has never spoken to the Governor on this subject and he is certain that his staff has had no improper conversations, he has absolutely nothing to worry about.

  6. “Have no doubt of my admiration and respect for her and my view of her viability”
    [Re 2012:] “I can’t say [about] something like that. We’ve got some great other
    young governors. I think you’re going to see the governors assume a
    greater leadership role in our Republican Party,” he said.
    He then mentioned governors Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota and Jon Huntsman of Utah.
    McCain said he has “the greatest appreciation for Gov. Palin and her
    family, and it was a great joy to know them.”
    “She invigorated our campaign” against Barack Obama for the
    presidency, he said. [….]
    “Have no doubt of my admiration and respect for her and my view of her
    viability, but at this stage, again … my corpse is still warm, you
    know?” he replied.

    h t t p : / / http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/12/15/2008-12-15_mccain_refuses_to_endorse_palin_for_pres.html
    Comment box is about half way down this page, between the story and
    the comments. My name was already on the box as we have had many
    alerts here. Comment went right up.

  7. Lets hope we get a Judge who is like Maximum John Sirica in Watergate. That is the only way to clean up that cesspool, that is now trying to go national and international through their man Barack Obama.

    I bet 100 people have lawyered up by now, and that may well be a conservative estimate.

    Learned Hand–one of the great judges of the last century said that being a defendant in a serious case (like this) is the worst experience you can face in life other than the death of a loved one or a serious debilitating illness. Probably true.

  8. wbboei Says:
    December 19th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
    Learned Hand–one of the great judges of the last century
    **************
    Who should have been on the SCOTUS and always seemed to fall between the political cracks.

  9. Who should have been on the SCOTUS and always seemed to fall between the political cracks.
    ___________________________
    SHV: you are so right my friend. Maybe it was because he was a Bull Mooser in ’12. My favorite quote of his you probably know:

    “The spirit of liberty is the spirit that is not too sure it is right”.

  10. My relative who was on the SCOTUS was said to have suffered from “Pen Paralysis”.
    ————————————–
    An occupational hazard I suppose. Sometimes law clerks are not enough. I am impressed.

  11. # wbboei Says:
    December 20th, 2008 at 12:37 am

    My relative who was on the SCOTUS was said to have suffered from “Pen Paralysis”.
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    An occupational hazard I suppose. Sometimes law clerks are not enough. I am impressed.
    ****************
    I not..One of the “Four Horseman”

  12. I not..One of the “Four Horseman”
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    Switch in time saves nine?

    Sutherland?

  13. I did that from memory, and then went to wikkopedia to see if I was right. I was but that is not the point. The point is who needs memory when you have wikopedia. One day we shall all be obsolete.

  14. NO..served from 1910 to 1937. In the past, having a moderate interest in constitutional law, I laugh at the wing-nuts who talk about “activist judges”. IMO, the worst time for judicial activism was the “Lochner era”
    which extended from ~1890, with “several railroads” v Minnesota, Plessy, Lochner, Adkins and ended with West Coast Hotel.

  15. wbboei Says:
    December 20th, 2008 at 1:07 am

    Switch in time saves nine?
    **************
    That would be Owen Roberts in “West Coast Hotel, Co. v Parrish.

  16. FYI: the comment below was posted here by a NewNewDeal seventeen months ago (7/17/07). It calls the game on Big Media. It foretold much of what subsequently occurred. I think I recognize the commentor as William based on the writing style and keen insight. See if you agree.
    —————————————–
    “Hillary is so far above all the other candidates for President that the only real threat to her is Big Media . . . (Their reporting) is too stupid for any middle school newspaper.

    The ridiculous counterfactual script mentioned in virtually every Hillary article is that Hillary is unelectable. If you take the Hillary is unelectable lego block and piece it together with the Hillary is calculating lego block and then throw in the Bill is going to be a problem. This story is ready made, more fantasy than reality and its simplicity is suited for two year olds. But alas that is what you get from such august publications as the New York Times . . .

    Now to be fair to Big Media reporting is hard work and it is much easier to build something with ready made lego blocks than from the ground up–because you don’t have to think as much. (Note: it is what boilerplate language is for lawyers.)

    Where do these lego blocks come from you ask? Well, by virue of never doing an ounce more reporting than they have to (which is not alot since Big Media is struggling to keep up with the standards set by their twelve year old kids school newspapers) you pick up alot of inside the Beltway talking points. Once these get passed around enough the New York Times decides to pick up the pieces, build their story and then it is a nationwide fall-out.

    Hillaryis44 has been doing an astounding job of pointing out how these lego blocks inform Big Media and how often these pieces are simply the wrong pieces–counterfactual, gossipy, sexist. Hopefully, somebody will do an in depth story on the house that lego built concerning Hillary. It will be fun to see how many Hillary is unelectable stories there are with no evidence whatsoever to back them up. . . Replace accurate with easier and you have your answer.

    I think you have to remember who these people in Big Media are and how terrified they are to relive their high school memories of being on the outside, never part of the club, never in it. Now that they are in some fashion part of the club they will do whatever it takes to remain there. And that means repeating what everyone else is saying regardless of whether it is true or not. After all, the truth is hard work.”

  17. Unelectable, huh?

    On Nov 4 she won the exit polls — even after five months of campaigning for Obama.

    (Cite available: CBS story on exit polls, 16% of McCain’s voters would have preferred Hillary; she would have won bigger than Obama did.)

  18. SHV: if memory serves there is an upscale law firm in downtown Philadelphia called Montgomery McCracken Rhoades and Walker which I had some business with years ago. They were Al Gore’s firm.

    In their law library I recall seeing a plaque to Justice Roberts. Evidently, he was a member of that firm at one time and see from his bio that he came out of Germantown. If you are interested you may want to call that firm and find out whether my recollection is accurate.

  19. NO..served from 1910 to 1937. In the past, having a moderate interest in constitutional law, I laugh at the wing-nuts who talk about “activist judges”. IMO, the worst time for judicial activism was the “Lochner era”
    which extended from ~1890, with “several railroads” v Minnesota, Plessy, Lochner, Adkins and ended with West Coast Hotel
    ————————————–
    Agreed. Subtantive due process is scary. Freedom of contract. The state of New York had not right to limit the right of an employer and an employee to enter into a contract to work more than 16 hours per day, because that would violate the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. Wunderbaar. You probably liked the Holmes dissent. It was the high water mark of property rights over personal rights. George W Bush would have agreed with the majority.

  20. Plessy (1896) gave us the separate but equal doctrine which was the law of the land until Brown. The dissent by Harlan the elder stressing the Constitution is color blind was cited with approval by Warren in the 1954 decision.

  21. Unelectable, huh?

    On Nov 4 she won the exit polls — even after five months of campaigning for Obama.

    (Cite available: CBS story on exit polls, 16% of McCain’s voters would have preferred Hillary; she would have won bigger than Obama did.)
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    Turndown: I agree. It just goes to show you how Big Media does a grave disservice to the country.

    From that same date there was a paragraph from our brilliant admin (Admin for short) which caught my eye and made me laugh:

    “Our apologies to the French but reporters like Healy (as in Patrick Healey NYT) should stay in Paris. Let them drink bottles of champs on the Champs. They can amuse the French, expats and other Europeans with tales of bored Americans. Let them misinform the Continentals.”

    Excellent! But when I look at Healey and read his bullshit column I have an even better idea. The next time he goes to Paris someone really should introduce him to the guillotine. They are made for each other.

  22. At pumaresponders.blogspot.com we have links to MSM comment strings at the following stories:

    WP: [Favreau] Helping to write history
    ABC: Rift Cracks ‘Demoralized’ McCain Campaign
    ABC: Warren Invite, Cabinet Picks Irk The Left – N…
    NY Post: CAROLINE’S SPOTTY VOTING HISTORY
    NY Daily: McCain refuses to endorse Palin for pres…
    NY Daily: CK not registered to vote for a while
    NY Daily: several against CK etc
    politico: Gay leaders furious with Obama
    ABC: Federal probe complicates move to impeach Bla…
    Post-Standard: Caroline Kennedy meets with Syracus…
    Several stories about Caroline K fm upstate NY
    A PUMA needs support at PJ – EASY POST

    h t t p : / / pumaresponders.blogspot.com

  23. This Madoff thing is really something. The losses are staggering but the concept is more common than you think.

    I have a friend in east Texas who fell prey to the same kind of scheme. The perpetator was a guy he had invested with for twenty years and gave him 20 percent return per year on paper. He produced graphs and charts to back it up but he was spending the money he was receiving from clients on a lavish lifestyle.

    My friend introduced the perp to friends and family and they got into the scheme as well. As long as he was getting new clients he was able to keep the thing going. And no one wanted to take their money out because where else could you get a 20% return.

    The perp presented a respectable image. He was a Texas A&M alum, and benefactor. His son was a West Point Grad. On the surface everything looked legit–except it wasnt.

    My friend and the perp went on vacations together along with their wives. They would go to the coast near Galveston. One year I joined them, met the guy and got the same pitch but I did not bite. Life went on.

    A couple years later, the perp called my friend and told him it was a scam. He said he planned to commit suicide and arranged for an insurance policy payable on his death to make his investors whole. (Note: at that time there one company that wrote such policies–North American).

    But when the time came to follow through with the plan he lost his nerve. Instead he pretended to be insane and was put in a mental hospital near Baylor University.

    The US Attorneys offices in Dallas and Tyler both got involved. The perp stole over $10 million dollars and it was all gone. He was tried and received 96 months.

    The victims showed up for sentencing. They ranged in age from young people to a 92 year old man who had known him all his life. Many of them elocuted, including my friend. Many of them were cleaned out of their life savings.

    My friend is over it now but the only humor he can find in it is that the perp is forced to wear a prison suit which is the same color as Texas A&Ms adversary University of Texas–orange. That is the only thing that really got to the perp. That is a socio path for you.

  24. Richardson is sweating too.

    http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/politics/politics_krqe_santa_fe_gallegos_complaint_200812171333

    The office of Governor Bill Richardson is taking strong exception to a story that aired Tuesday night on News 13 at 10. In that report, News 13’s Dave Bohman told you that, after a press conference about jobs coming to Belen, the Governor left abruptly and ignored our attempt to question him about a grand jury investigation that’s now underway. ( See the report and video of Richardson leaving the press conference ). On Wednesday, his deputy chief of staff, Gibert Gallegos, sent us an e-mail complaining about that report and about our conduct at the press conference. The full text of the resulting e-mail exchange is below. It’s very self-explanatory.

    In the not-too-distant future, News 13 will publish a statement of the professional values that we intend to live by. That’s a work in progress. It is very likely that you will see the following two values contained in that document: our intent to hold the powerful accountable, and our intent to hold ourselves accountable to you, our viewers. In that spirit, we offer the full text of our e-mail exchange with Mr. Gallegos below. And we invite you to let us know your opinions about how you think we’re doing on our Contact Us page . We will read every e-mail, and respond personally to many of them. We look forward to hearing from you.

  25. our intent to hold the powerful accountable, and our intent to hold ourselves accountable to you, our viewers.
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    Two things Politico and the rest of the Washington Press Corps will neva evah do–They are not journalists or reporters. They are self serving propandaists– and nothing more.

    As for Judas, he craves the power but routinely avoids the responsibility that goes with it. In that respect he is no different than bambi. With or without the gotee he is repulsive,

  26. Poor Judas! Nothing he could have said would have looked worse than his actions. His body language was screaming. My friend was just told by his lawyer, “the guilty flee.”

    You know things are bad when a pol can even smile and lie.

  27. Oklahomahills: Judas is a “picture of guilt”. He looks fatter, sassier and more morose than ever. As you say when a politican cant smile and lie anymore then he’s got trouble-big trouble-in River City.

  28. His pieces of silver have tarnished.
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    Ever so slightly . . .

    Governor you are under arrest. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say may be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford one one will be provided . .

    (Just Practicing)

  29. I am angry that Bill Clinton has to divulge the contributors to his charity. I don’t care if John Gotti gave him money for AIDS help. And the idea that Hillary would deal with an international crisis by deciding which side gave more to a charity is just ludicrous.

    If you believe that Hill would do that, you can’t vote for her for SOS. Now Bill can’t accept help from any foreign govt. Norway can’t give any more. That’s a step toward a better world!?!?.

  30. Thanks for posting the Channel 13 Albuqueruqe story on Richardson, that I could not get to post here. Channel 13 is the one channel that has pressed the Governer.

  31. Sweat, Judas, sweat!!!!

    Methinks that Chelsea will be the overseer for the Clinton Iniative in the future. Any thoughts on that? and if so, can the imposters force Hillary to force her to be accountable????? Not that there is really anything wrong with being accountable, sunshine, fresh air, lights on, you know. But when it is the most corrupt imposters that force accountability on others, it makes me shoot steam out of my ears.

    I signed up for the CGI and I have seen nothing so far that would cause the Huckster to pause. My thought is he has bigger stinking fish to tend to.

    Sing, Governor, Sing in alto, saprano, bass, etc. Sing in harmony with your wife and let your fil help you sing. Sing it loud. Sing it clear. Sing it loud. Sing it long. Sing about how the Huckster and his chicago corruption combine has bamboozled the citizens of America – and stolen the presidency from the MOST qualified person in our lifetime – Hillary Rodham Clinton.

  32. freckles Says:
    December 20th, 2008 at 6:04 am
    I am angry that Bill Clinton has to divulge the contributors to his charity
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    So am I! Right there on the NY Times site, I see that anyone can type my name and find out how much I gave to the Clinton Foundation – damnit, why is that everybody’s business?! Omobboss and company could have privately perused those lists. What’s the point of exposing the amount of every person’s contribution to the general public?

    It’s also very annoying that anyone can search out my relatively small political donations – it’s a business liability and a cause of friction among neighbors. If they’re so h-bent on taking away my privacy, they can all d-well do without my contributions. I won’t miss contributing to political campaigns since I’ve lost all trust in them, anyway, but I do so respect Bill Clinton’s work.

  33. lil ole grape

    That bothers me also.

    But I get down right angry when they can audit the Hexx out of McCain, who took public financing, and O funding, which is suspected to be illegal in areas, gets a buy. How do you justifiy that in a Democracy, I really don’t understand. It should be the other way around, or at least equal.

    And we think we are one of the best Democracies around. Sorry, I find that hard to believe.

  34. NMF: “And we think we are one of the best Democracies around. Sorry, I find that hard to believe.”
    ———————-
    …because we have finally learned that our slouching citizenry has allowed our government to be as sleazy as those in countries we regard as less democratic. But the up side to this is that many many more of us are now aware that democratic government must be watched, guarded, constantly housecleaned. The internet has given us all the opportunity to be active, standup citizens. I always think of democracy as something to be practiced, not something given.

  35. lil ole grape

    “I always think of democracy as something to be practiced, not something given.”

    There in is the problem in American, we assume our Democracy is a given, and I am not sure we know how to practice it.

    Very good observation. Thank You.

  36. The other day I made a comment about the physical appearance of ck(I called her ugly) subsequently several posters called me out, saying such statements were in appropriate. Since then I have read a couple of comments criticizing appearance or flat out used the term ugly and none got a response. One guy was even called an ugly bitch and noone responded. Calling or critiqueing Richardson or a reporter for his/her physicallity is okay but saying the something about ck is taboo? Just curious.

  37. lil ole grape

    one way to avoid the lack of privacy in political contributions is to insist that public financing be the norm. The losers will be the BM who raked in around $4.5 billion during this election cycle and NOT the American people

  38. Will Chelsea be old enough to run against CK if CK is appointed? Does Chelsea live in NY?
    That would be payback.

  39. Anyway to find out what % of monies raised by candidates went to advertising on specific or with specific organizations? Interesting that DatelineNBC landed an interview in prime time two days after it was revealed he’d be a part of what’s his names faux inaugaration.

  40. Henry, I have never met her but judging by her actions it is reasonable to assume she is ugly–on the inside.

    As I see it she is an unqualified imperious pretender to the throne who seeks public office as a matter of noblesse oblige. Until now she has shown no particular interest in or commitment to the people of New York and has not bothered to vote. Collecting money from rich friends for charitble causes is fine but is not what it takes.

    She seeks office for the sake of power and family name over the claims of qualified people who have paid their dues. She is not a democrat but a monarchist. They compare her to Hillary but she has none of passion, hard work and mental acumen. The comparison is ludicrous.

    She is the surrogate of barcrack banana an evil megalmaniacal uncle and a throughly corrupt media establishment who are determined to coronate her and bamboozle the country into believing this is democracy.

    She professes to care about children? What message is she sending to them? That if you are rich and famous you can use your influenence to usurp democracy and step over qualified people. She is ignorant as a swan, at a time when the country needs an eagle like the incumbent.

    BTW do you think Richardson looks better with a gotee or not?

  41. ShortTermer, I think Chelsea is taking over her dad’s foundation, or at least a more active role in it. I got a fundraising e-mail from the foundation earlier this week, and it was from Chelsea. They used to come from Bill.

  42. I wonder how many of his lambs Obama will lead to slaughter so that he comes out smelling like roses. Will Judas take the fall? It wouldn’t be much of a loss.

    Another thought that keeps coming back to me is how on earth do the Blagos and Deans and Kennedys keep getting voted in? What the heck is wrong with these voters?

  43. This has been a terrible year. I think people will look back on it and say it was the year the county lost its financial base, its democracy and its collective mind.

    And I am an optimist.

    The past is dead. But looking to the future the pivotal question will be whether the system will hold bambi accountable.

    Big Media has already given us their answer: Our job is to make the administration look good–Matthews, their foremost spokesman.

    As for the rest of us, our job is pierce the big media veil of self serving lies and distortions, and get to the truth.

    That will be the tough part.

  44. henry

    who was it that said “politics is hollywood for ugly people”??

    ( hillary clinton the exception, of course )

  45. Carol Saxe buda Says:
    December 20th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
    Will Chelsea be old enough to run against CK if CK is appointed? Does Chelsea live in NY?
    =============

    Chelsea will be old enough in 2010, I think, and lives in NY or could by then.

  46. henry,

    My reaction is that it’s unfair, and somehow misonystic, to criticize CK’s looks that are born in. Her hair style, clothes style, etc seem unexceptional. I don’t see anger or viciousness in her photographs, so I wouldn’t say she has an ‘ugly expression’ — as I might say of Michelle Obama, Donna Brazile, or various female columnists who are ugly in both expression and words.

    My reaction is to strongly oppose making fun of Kerry’s features (born in). But to link Judas’s weight and expression and behavior, Roland Martin’s weight and expression and behavior, that of some vicious newscasters etc — seems understandable.

    In this culture, being physically ugly is a big handicap, and thus a big insult, for women. For men it’s less important, so less of an insult.

  47. Henry, I have been noticing the double standard also. However, did not want to add to the discussion, as I don’t really know where to draw the line.

    Is it any more detrimental to call Richardson Judas as to call him robust (nice word). I really am not sure. I have to agree with turndownobama-com I take it more personel against a women. It should also be noted that we have many brillant men and women who are not Hollywood types now working hard in our government. I kind of wish we could put a bag over their heads, and elect them on experience and other factors.

  48. henry,

    I can’t speak for any others. I try very hard to avoid name calling that deals with the “physical” attributes of anyone.

    I admittedly call Richardson a “Judas” not for his looks but for his backstabbing habits towards the Clintons. I think and suspicious/criminal/unethical “actions” should be subject to critique. For me personally, I stay away from calling anyone ugly because I am not that perfect myself, was bullied growing up for being Jewish and for growing up in a poor family, and know how painful it can be to be attacked in this way so maybe that is what makes me shy away from doing it.

  49. Wow
    Thankyou all for chiming in.
    I felt regret after being called out for my shallow comment about ck. The truth be told I never viewed her as unpleasant until now, that being said my present reaction to the sight of her is unpleasant. I am aware that woman are held to a much higher standard than men (a guy gets away with a fat gut) and didnot mean to contribute to any misogony. To those I may have offended my apologies(but she is still a vile urchin in my book)

  50. LOL…henry…I can live with vile urchin. I personally think of Caroline Kennedy as a vapid, misguided character in a comedy. Her and Teddy’s belief that they are entitled to anything, better than anybody else, and above all deserve to be worshipped and given everything on a silver platter…is what bothers me most.

    If she had paid her dues honorably, worked hard and ethically to win a senate seat, and didn’t think just because she is a Kennedy that she should just be handed Hillary’s seat, then I might think more of her. As it is, I don’t hold out much hope that she will rise to the occasion should she indeed steal Hillary’s place in the senate.

  51. Paula, I got the same email from Chelsea. The Clinton’s are smart- smarter than the Huckster and the No [first] Lady, are they not?

  52. Till now I’ve mostly felt sorry for CK. Imagine her childhood experience, her father and uncle R, then the perhaps worse trauma of uncle T. Have to protect a child from the press through those years. Must have grown up cloistered, like Rapunzel in a tower.

    I’m not sure how such a child could get a normal view of the world. Even Bush Jr had some normal life before Bush Sr got in the White House, and of course no comparable soap epic tragedies in the Bush family.

    Now what I see in her photos looks lost, out of her depth, perhaps an unwilling puppet. Why haven’t her handlers at least got better photos out?

    Imo she’s doing wrong by letting herself be used in this way … unless she plans to really work for Hillary’s agenda. Maybe whatever caused BO to restore some of the old Clinton cabinet will affect CK also.

    I wonder about some bloggers who are saying back CK just for the sake of being a woman Senator. Don’t they know there are more qualified women available? Carolyn Maloney and Kirsten someone?

  53. BTW, I read an article yesterday that said Bloomberg is the one really pushing CK for Senate, and how her PR campaign is exaggerating her resume (no shit, Sherlock). Notice how we hear little or nothing about Andrew Cuomo, who also wants the seat and is vastly more qualified.

  54. Teddy has got this whats mine is mine and whats yours is mine attitude. Somebody ought to tell that drunken vainglorios lout that the seat he wants to put the Kennedy name on belongs to the people of New York and if he tries to shivy the governor into taking it away from qualified people and giving it to someone who doesnt even bother to vote but happens to have the Kennedy name there will be trouble. To repeat Senator Kennedy the seat belongs to the people of New York. You may own Massachusetts but New York is not yours to take and give away.

  55. The CK PR campaign is working overtime. Bloomberg just had term limits eliminated, so he is running for a 3rd term. Obviously, this is all about money, not competence.

  56. 16% of McCain’s voters would have voted for Hillary (plus the ones who stayed home). That’s a lot. We Pumas remembered from May to November, and we’re still howling now. Does Paterson want to bet we can’t remember till 2010?

  57. And CK and Bloomberg have the same PR people
    ——————————————
    This is the tragedy of history as Will Durant might say. The idea that the plutocrats arrogate use their power and influence to take over society and disempower ordinary people.

    What the hell do people like Kennedy or Bloomberg know about the plight of ordinary people. They live in the world of caviar, sailboat races and tiffany’s jewlery. Revel in your wealth but stay out of public life.

    Congratulations to the bots. They are the ones who helped put them there. They are too dumb to see how badly they have been snookered. If they had done their homework they would have gotten wise. Now pride wont let them/

    Of all the causes
    Which conspire to blind
    Our erring judgment
    And misguide the mind
    What the weak head
    With strongest bias rules
    Is pride–
    The never failing vice of fools

    Alexander Pope

  58. wbboei,

    the “bots” are still drinking the koolaid. They believe that Obama is the answer to all their prayers, that they will be delivered from all their woes, economic or otherwise by this empty-suited messiah. The unfortunate part is that the rest of the nation who didn’t vote for these idiots are going to suffer right along with them when they realize that its all a sham.

  59. CAROLINE SLAP
    GERRY: SHE’S NOT READY
    Comments: 16Read Comments Leave a Comment By CARL CAMPANILE
    KENNEDY
    Last updated: 3:49 am
    December 20, 2008
    Posted: 2:40 am
    December 20, 2008

    Geraldine Ferraro gave a thumbs down to Caroline Kennedy’s bid for the Senate yesterday – even as the Camelot daughter won her biggest endorsement for the job, The Post has learned.

    Ferraro, the first woman nominee for vice president, sent a letter to Gov. Paterson urging him to instead appoint one of New York’s six sitting female Congress members to replace Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Senate.

    At the same time, Brooklyn Democratic Party head Vito Lopez, who leads the biggest county party in the city, issued the first formal endorsement for Kennedy.

    Ferraro said it’s not time for on-the-job training while New York faces a fiscal crisis.

    “You can’t send someone down there who doesn’t know the issues,” Ferraro told The Post. “If you send someone down there who doesn’t know the legislative process, they’ll get chewed up alive.”

    “Our senator should be ready on Day 1,” added Ferraro. “Just knowing people down there [in Washington, DC]? It’s just not enough.”

    But Kennedy, a strong Barack Obama backer during the primaries, scored a victory when Lopez came out for her.

    “Caroline is by far the best candidate to win the election in 2010. She has a broader political base,” said Lopez.

    Meanwhile, a top adviser to a Kennedy rival seized on news that Kennedy didn’t vote in a string of elections, mostly primary races.

    “Not voting is an issue. She comes from a family that prides itself as part of the leadership of the Democratic Party,” said Bill Lynch, an adviser for Rep. Carolyn Maloney, who’s angling for Clinton’s seat.

  60. Yes Jan. We all pay for their stupidity and denial. And, oh yes, did I also mention their cheating? How could we ever forget that?

    Bambi never won the election. The Chicago Machine and his big media handlers stole it from the American People and gave it to their “propped-up, inexperienced, arrogant, elitist, calculating, disenfranchising, lying pretender to the presidency”.

  61. The Tribune then reported that a group of Indian businessmen held a fundraiser for Blagojevich—with Jackson’s brother Jonathan in attendance—and quoted several businessmen that they raised the money hoping Blagojevich would make Jackson the next senator.

    “I never sent a message or an emissary to the governor to make an offer, plead my case or propose a deal about a U.S. Senate seat, period,” Jackson said.
    ———————————–
    Jessee–you are getting tangled up in your underwear. Here is what you should say if you want anyone to believe you:

    1. I do not want the senate seat–never did

    2. But even if I did want it, I do not know these Indian businessmen.

    3. But even if I know these Indian businessmen I never talked to them about the senate seat

    4. But even if I did talk about the senate seat I never asked them to buy it

    5. But even if I did did ask them to buy it I never expected them to make an offer

    6. But even if they made an offer I knew nothing about it, and my brother never mentioned it

    7. But even if they made an offer with my brother present it was all supposed to be a joke.

    No Jessee–the joke is on you.

  62. wbboei,

    Here’s the link and more info:

    NY Post: CAROLINE SLAP – Gerry: She’s not ready – EASY POST
    Ferraro, the first woman nominee for vice president, sent a letter to Gov. Paterson urging him to instead appoint one of New York’s six sitting female Congress members to replace Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Senate.

    h t t p : / / http://www.nypost.com/seven/12202008/news/politics/caroline_slap_145098.htm?xid=rss-page
    EASY POST. Comment box at the bottom, no login, went right up.

  63. Obama got himself in trouble in the debates with his promise to sit down with the leader of Iran in the first year of his presidency. He is on the hook to do that now because he spoke before he thought. So now he is forced to create an Iranian outreach coodinator in the state department with dotted line to him and straight line to her. It would be better for her if it was the reverse, since he has raised their expectations through the roof and Hillary who tilts to Israel could never get him off that hook. So they discussed it and she came up with this solution, since the optics make it appear he will be involved consistent with the false expectations he stupidly set.

  64. I think Ferraro is practically a spokes person for Hillary.
    ————————————-
    Carol: it is not unlikely. We all know Hillary has great affection for the people of New York and if she cannot be there to represent them herself it stands to reason that she wants the seat to be awarded on the basis of competence as opposed to family name. Trust fund babies need not apply.

  65. Hi everyone,

    I am back from Kauai, a well rested vacation. Warm weather, beautiful island. I needed this break from all the political storm.

    I have to get caught up on whats has been going on in politics.

    Hi, Henry, Wbboei, Turndownobama, New Mexico Fan etc

  66. neeta

    I’m thrilled you got to go someplace so warm and fragrant and nice. I so clearly remember the visual of you standing in the cold, (maybe even rain too – at least damp) waving signs on the highway and cheering our girl on.

    I will always think of you that way, and sometimes genuinely mad at some of us here because of your loyalty and pure belief.

    Happy holidays….and cheers.

  67. Hi Neetabug–glad you’re back. Looks like we may have the one of the hottest winters on record in cold windy Chicago. Meterological reports suggest that the heat wave may move east to Washington D.C. in due course.

  68. NMF

    Did you know that Gerry was diagnosed just after her primary loss in 1998 with multiple myeloma…at that time mm patients had a maximum of 5 years… obviously Gerry has been doing something different- like becoming an active proponent of trial drugs and volunteering to be a guinea (sp?) pig, no matter how much energy is sapped from her and how much pain it puts her through…she is due to start a new one soon. Needs to, because as soon as a current drug loses its efficacy, she has to move to a new one. And Dana Farber has learned so much from her re patient treatment.

    Just thought you would like another reason to like her.

  69. Yes, I know that Gerry carries a heavy burden. Yet, she is out there subjecting herself to stiff criticisms. To me she is showing tremendous courage. It takes guts and courage to stand up against the in crowd, and double when you are fightening her other battles.

  70. Henry,

    I think it IS relevant to talk about CK’s appearance. Her face bears much more than her 52 years. Is it because of the sorts of loss she has endured in her life? Is it because of the ravages of alcohol? Sorry, but alcoholism runs in the Kennedy family, and both her father and her mother used drugs (admittedly prescriptions, pain killers, et al, but the word “addiction” has been used before).

  71. los angeles democrat,
    her face bears much more than her 52 years. Her posture also bears more than her 52 years. She is very kyphotic for 52. I don’t know if she has osteoporosis or if she just has had poor nutrition, but she should not be slumped shoulder at her age unless she has osteo or she has abused her body with drugs or alcohol! She looks very skinny, maybe she has an eating disorder!

  72. Wbboei, I just had a thought. I believe McCain rolled over in this election for someone so Barack could win. I wonder why he selected Palin with the babygate going on? Just as soon as he announced Palin’s name, the news was all over the pregnant daughter. I bet they set up Gov. Palin. She was just too country to figure it out. Now especially since now McCain says he would not support her in 2012. I still think the Rove and the democrats made a deal for the combine to take over.
    Did you notice that pin that Bush was wearing, it reminded me of the Obama logo! This is just not right, they deal was to keep the Clinton’s down. I just wonder what Hillary being SOS is really all about, marginization I imagine.
    Then we have Cheney coming out and saying that he would not have chosen Hillary, but that she will do a good job, SURE!!

    This stinks to high heaven!!!

  73. confloyd Says: Now especially since now McCain says he would not support her in 2012.
    ==================

    That is *NOT*the essence of what McCain said!!!!

    That is media misrepresentation, just as they have done to Bill, Hillary, Palin, Gerry, Gore….


    “Have no doubt of my admiration and respect for her and my view of her
    viability”
    [Re 2012:] “I can’t say [about] something like that. We’ve got some great other
    young governors. I think you’re going to see the governors assume a
    greater leadership role in our Republican Party,” he said.
    He then mentioned governors Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota and Jon Huntsman of Utah.
    McCain said he has “the greatest appreciation for Gov. Palin and her
    family, and it was a great joy to know them.”
    “She invigorated our campaign” against Barack Obama for the
    presidency, he said. [….]
    “Have no doubt of my admiration and respect for her and my view of her
    viability, but at this stage, again … my corpse is still warm, you
    know?” he replied.

    h t t p : / / http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/12/15/2008-12-15_mccain_refuses_to_endorse_palin_for_pres.html

  74. I agree with both of youall here.

    Los Angeles Democrat Says:
    December 21st, 2008 at 12:57 am
    Henry,
    I think it IS relevant to talk about CK’s appearance. Her face bears much more than her 52 years. Is it because of the sorts of loss she has endured in her life? Is it because of the ravages of alcohol? Sorry, but alcoholism runs in the Kennedy family, and both her father and her mother used drugs (admittedly prescriptions, pain killers, et al, but the word “addiction” has been used before).

    confloyd Says:
    December 21st, 2008 at 1:33 am
    los angeles democrat,
    her face bears much more than her 52 years. Her posture also bears more than her 52 years. She is very kyphotic for 52. I don’t know if she has osteoporosis or if she just has had poor nutrition, but she should not be slumped shoulder at her age unless she has osteo or she has abused her body with drugs or alcohol! She looks very skinny, maybe she has an eating disorder!

    ==============================

    From the few photos I’ve seen in recent news stories, I agree there seems to be something wrong. Surely a PR firm could get or make the best photos available. She looks stressed, unhealthy, anguished … uncertain, vague. Her hairstyle does not look right for a campaign. It looks like she can’t even bother to comb her hair or have a good cut done. If these photos are typical, much less the best ones they could find … it’s all very odd.

    I think there’s a line between insulting someone’s appearance and diagnosing it seriously like we’re doing here.

  75. I just watched a short presser that CKS gave in NY state with reporters really in her personal space, and in her face. It’s the second time I’ve seen it…first time was last night as part of a short lead-in to Washington Week on PBS. Tonight the tv clip was a repeat of last night’s program.

    Her appearance to my eyes just does not jibe with the commentary here.

    Thin, yes, by at least 3 dress sizes. Unusual for rich socialite, no.

    Dress style, the good black sheath, yes.
    Good style for her figure, no.

    Hair in 5th ave young matron style, yes. Good for her face shape, yes for the matron part, no for a busy, schleping candidate. Jackie’s teeth rather than JFK’s teeth, yes. Animation when listening or talking in public, not there.

  76. So, what is the problem?

    When Hillary had to make a few style and makeup adjustments in 2006-7, what were we saying?

    What I find as the problem is the lack of a cohesive, studied policy portfolio and previous experience putting it forth and defending it.

  77. L A Dem

    Quoting you-

    “… Kennedy family, and both her father and her mother used drugs (admittedly prescriptions, pain killers, et al, but the word “addiction” has been used before).”

    Would you source the addiction bit, please? And just how it was used?

    Thanks.

  78. Emjay
    Admittedly my comment about ck’s appearance was childish. However, she has become an anathema to me and her visage arouses disgust on my part. Is there a place for that here. I don’t think so, but comments about others appearance went without comment. I think it best that any and all references to the usurper’s appearance be unsaid.

  79. Henry, its ok with me, say what you want about CK. If all the networks and many people can demonize Hillary over the slightest little thing, we should be able to say what we want about CK, afterall she hasn’t been nice to Hillary either.

    I remember when Hillary was in Pennsylvania during St. Patty’s day, and many griped about her awful green scarf. It was pathetic.

    The Kennedy’s aren’t Gods, they are just people who put their pants on the same way I do.

  80. confloyd
    this may seem silly but I think we should write ck not CK obama not Obama. A small gesture, but I was taught that only proper nouns recieved capitalization. And ain’t nothing proper bout that group.

  81. If Blago lives past Jan 20th… he will be gone by “faux” suicide or thru an unknown source for a direct hit…

    If they can do away with Gwatny and Tubbs-Jones…Blago is a marked man!

  82. Mrs. Smith Says:

    December 21st, 2008 at 10:13 am
    If Blago lives past Jan 20th… he will be gone by “faux” suicide or thru an unknown source for a direct hit…

    If they can do away with Gwatny and Tubbs-Jones…Blago is a marked man!
    ***************************
    Haven’t said it out loud yet…but my thoughts exactly!

  83. I got mail yesterday that I thought was a Christmas card, but was a thank you card from the Republican party thanking me for volunteering and supporting their candidates. I was really upset when I heard that McCain would not support Palin, but the full interview said something to the effect of: there are a lot of qualified candidates hopefuls out there, governors will play a major role, and that he [McCain] is not out of the picture yet. I took him at his word that he would not run for PPOTUS again, but I should have known better.

    Thank God Geraldine Ferraro is once again the voice of REASON and went public with it. I would like to see any Kennedy send in a resume to any large corporation and be placed in a pile of other resumes for comparison. In the ‘real’ world one must already be ‘qualified’ for the position AND have experience to be considered seriously. Gerry made me mad with a few of her comments during the ordeal, but if she backs only those women who are qualified – she has my respect.
    NO senator CK. Like others here, I do not think she has the confidence or the stamina to hold up under the job. She must be doing this for uncle teddy as he likely heavily pressed the memory of her father, uncles, and brother and living up to the kennedy legacy. I was also glad to see, that finally, some reporters were pressing for answers to legitimate questions about experience.

  84. And, as Henry suggested I am giving respect only where respect is due with capitalization; however the typos are unintentional.

    I never said aloud what I thought about Stephanie Tubbs-Jones’ death – I too had wondered to myself if it were murder.

  85. ShortTermer,

    I posted some direct quotes from McCain above. He said good things about Palin but said it was too soon to think about 2012 and there were several good governors out there. These quotes were taken from a negative article so they may not be all he said.

    I do not think MCcAIN was negative about Palin! He chose her for his VP. I support her but I’m not sure she would be ready to run for Pres in 2012. What else should he say? That he supports her for someone else’s VP in 2012? He’s refusing to commit, which is the sensible thing. Maybe he hasn’t even taken time to think about 2012. He kept saying it was too soon to talk about that.

    Media spin cannot be trusted; media spin cannot be trusted….

  86. turndown,

    Thank you. I didn’t want to think McCain had thrown her under the bus. He is too much of a gentleman for that. Also he is a scholar and knows her worth.

  87. emjay,

    I was just going by the pictures of CK posted on a few articles on the internet. These were small closeups, face only, showing a lot of wrinkles in patterns that suggested habitual stress. As someone said, the face looked much older than 52 (older than Hillary imo).

    It was a small sampling. I would just think that a good PR company would have managed to get some better photos in circulation.

  88. turndownobama-com Says:
    December 21st, 2008 at 11:42 am

    “These were small closeups, face only, showing a lot of wrinkles in patterns that suggested habitual stress.”
    ***************
    Mostly likely many years of sun exposure obtained at the “sun and fun” spots of the idle rich.

  89. Turndown: one of the problems we will face in the years ahead is how to evaluate the information we receive on Obama. There will be an army of propandists who will cover for him and lie to the American People, as we saw in the campaign, only more so. Then again, there will be a small group of courageous journalists in the tradition of Zola who will speak truth to power.

    PUMA could perform a real service to the country if it could set up a credible, coherent, user friendly system for evaluating journalists, so we people know whether to trust them.

    Here are a few preliminary thoughts of my own on the subject. I am sure if I thought about it the list would grow longer, more nuanced and that is not what we want at this point.

    The basic idea would be for PUMA to maintain a data base of journalist. It could include broadcast, print media and blogs. Foreign media as well–we all have our favorites.

    An inventory system of this nature could be useful in a number of respects.

    First, it would give us a forum to recognize the important work of couageous journalists like John Kass and Lynn Sweet. This would allow us to send favorable letters to their editors.

    Second, it would give us a rational basis to discount the opionions of the propagandist, so we could articulate specific reasons why we dont like them and to double check our reactions for accuracy.

    Third, it could provide a vehicle for holding big media accoutable and mobilizing opposition, not only to the Capuses of the world but to the shareholders who employ such disreputbale people. Lest we forget, those executives are the ones who pay the Olbermans of the world to pollute the airways.

    Fourth, it could provide the public with a beacon of truth in a sea of lies. There is no pride of authorship here so feel free to pass it along to whoever might have an interest in pursuing something along these lines. If it has already ben done, then there is no sense reinventing the wheel.
    ——————————————-

    A JOURNALIST VS A PROPAGANDIST?

    1. Is the journalist credible? (grade: 1-5)

    a) is the journalist personally biased for or against the subject? Why?

    b) is the journalist constrained by the an institutional narrative?

    c) is the journalist unduly influenced by peers? (defers in roundtable)

    d) is the journalist willing to speak truth to power? (non ideological)

    e) does the jouranlist have a track record of reliablilty? (Pulitzers cut no ice with us)

    f) what is the financial state of his/her employer?

    g) does the journalist have unsavory personal tendencies tendencies? (sexism)

    2. Is the journalistic piece credible? (grade: 1-5)
    a) what is the purpose: to inform or to persuade?

    b) does it break new ground or is it a rehash?

    c) does it identify two sides (or more) to the issue?

    d) does it present both sides fairly?

    e) does it provide equal time for both sides?

    f) does it present credible spokesmen for each side?

    g) does it identify sources that can be checked

    h) are they quoted accurately & completely

    i) is the writer identified or is it written by staff?

    j) how does it begin and end (primacy and recency0?

    k) does it provide for reader feedback?

    l) is it larded with loaded words (Luntz lexicon)?

    m) are the pictures presented flattering or not?

  90. Mostly likely many years of sun exposure obtained at the “sun and fun” spots of the idle rich.
    ——————————–
    yes, the French Riviera can be hell on the skin if you dont use sun block. Escargot can have its unfortuante side effects as well. But we all do what we must for our country.

  91. According to CNN this morning, Politico sent a list of questions for ck to answer. Instead her spokesperson answered them and sent them back.

    Would the real ck please stand up and be counted? Does she have the experience and knowhow to represent the great State of New York in the way it deserves? In the way the Hillary has so bravely and determinedly done since becoming senator?

    I’m really afraid of the answer to this.

  92. sorry if this duplicates…hit the wrong key by accident

    Carolyn Kennedy looks older than Hillary…Carolyn is 51 and Hillary is 61…Hillary looks ten years younger…even when she has been exhausted…she radiates…

    I, for one, was very surprised to see how aged Carolyn looks on tv
    ****************************************

    Gerry Ferraro is one courageous woman…how I wish we had more Dems like her…people who tell it like it is and avoid the spin and BS…Gerry is fearless…she says what she believes

    …unlike, say Donna Brazile…that hardly ever utters anything to be believed or truthful…spin city and BS

  93. wbboei Says:
    December 21st, 2008 at 1:33 pm
    Turndown: one of the problems we will face in the years ahead is how to evaluate the information we receive on Obama. [ cut for length ]
    ==============

    The midstreamnews.blogspot.com project Blue and I are doing is a tny step in that direction. It recommends and lnks to the few old fashioned, non-slanted, non-snarky news stories we can find*.

    I’m thinking of adding a section to list and salute the writers of our chosen stories also.

    *Mostly in MSM as theirs are readable and not densely partisan.

  94. wbboei at 1:33 wrote:
    j) how does it begin and end (primacy and recency)?
    &&&&&

    Huh? please explain…
    —————————————
    If you are trying to persuade an audience the first thing you say to them and the last thing you say to them is most memorable and persuasive, assuming it is credible. You see this all the time in speeches, movies adversing clips. What is buried in the middle frequently gets lost in the shuffle.

    The law has long recognized this fact. In a criminal case, the prosecution goes first and the defense goes second. This gives the prosecution a tremendous foresic advantage because jurors are most influenced by what they hear first–i.e. primacy. Therefore, the law compensates for that advantage by forcing the prosecution to assume the burden of burden of proof. Obviously there are other reasons as well–i.e . the presumption of innocence, etc. Also the law gives the defense the last word before they go into the jury room to deliberate–recency.

    In the present context, watch the headline and what the writer presents first. Then look at what he or she says last. If he or she is trying to pull a fast one they bury what is imporant (and cannot be denied) in the middle, where is most likely to be forgotten.

  95. wbboei said: In the present context, watch the headline and what the writer presents first. Then look at what he or she says last. If he or she is trying to pull a fast one they bury what is imporant (and cannot be denied) in the middle, where is most likely to be forgotten.
    ==============

    Anohter example the article at
    NY Daily: McCain refuses to endorse Palin for president in 2012: ‘I can’t’

    which begins sounding bad and hides McCain’s actual praise in the midle.

    “Have no doubt of my admiration and respect for her and my view of her
    viability”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/12/15/2008-12-15_mccain_refuses_to_endorse_palin_for_pres.html

    Leaving off all before the www.

  96. Biggest joke of the day: “Biden to be working families czar”

    Biden has worked tirelessly to screw working families. He fought every amendment to the Bankruptcy Bill that would have helped families. Unexpected medical bills, sudden call up to the military, etc…Biden’s response was TS.

  97. And it is a well known fact that many readers, inclusive of the public, researchers, and librarians speed read through major articles and focus on those elements that wbboei has just mentioned. Many a time the body of the piece does not support said elements but the deed has been done and the subliminal influence is a success.

  98. Wbboei… did you mean P.U.M.A. or Pumapac? I don’t know about P.U.M.A., but Pumapac doesn’t do anything that isn’t their idea. You can suggest, and wait until Hell Freezes over for a response. Sad, but a chronic complaint I’ve heard from other bloggers.

  99. Biggest joke of the day: “Biden to be working families czar”

    Biden has worked tirelessly to screw working families. He fought every amendment to the Bankruptcy Bill that would have helped families. Unexpected medical bills, sudden call up to the military, etc…Biden’s response was TS.
    —————————————-
    SHV: Its like Holmes said: if you want to know that the law is don’t ask a judge. Ask a thief.

    The nation would be better served if Biden confined himself to subjects within his area of expertise such as how to properly enter a club car, how to find the barglass when going thorugh a tunnel, and how to double down on happy hour. We can all breath a huge sigh of relief knowing he will be there to tell the great pretender what to do when he is tested. Cheers.

  100. Wbboei… did you mean P.U.M.A. or Pumapac? I don’t know about P.U.M.A., but Pumapac doesn’t do anything that isn’t their idea. You can suggest, and wait until Hell Freezes over for a response. Sad, but a chronic complaint I’ve heard from other bloggers.
    ———————————————
    Mrs. Smith: if you think the idea has merit, then how do we convince them is was their idea. If not then I shall be joining Joe Biden and his army of secret service chaparons on the Siberian Express from Washinton DC to Wilmington and all points in between.

  101. Mrs. Smith Says:
    December 21st, 2008 at 5:06 pm
    Wbboei… did you mean P.U.M.A. or Pumapac? I don’t know about P.U.M.A., but Pumapac doesn’t do anything that isn’t their idea. You can suggest, and wait until Hell Freezes over for a response. Sad, but a chronic complaint I’ve heard from other bloggers.
    ================

    I missed something. What’s the idea?

    Take a look at DailyPuma.com and see a great many of the different blogs out there. thenewagenda.net is starting to do some ‘Prowl’-like stuff from their own site. Maybe pumaparty.com also.

  102. Regarding the media (again).

    Aristotle said that the art of persuasion is a three step process. The first step is called ethos which means convincing your audiece that you are credible and knowlegable. The second step is logos which means presenting the core argument based on logic and evidence. The third step is pathos which is inciting an emotional response which gives them cause to act.

    Example:

    1) ethos: friends romans countrymen lend me our ear. I have come to bury caesar not to praise him.

    2) logos: Brutas says X–which is not believable. But Brutas is an hononable man.

    3) pathos: if I were disposed to stir your hearts and minds to mutiny I should do Brutas wrong. . . I would rather choose to wrong the dead, to wrong myself and to wrong you than to wrong such honorable men. (Uncovers Caesars body and reads his will). . . Now let it work. Mischief thou art afoot.

    Now consider the propagandist who pretends to be a journalist.

    Where is the ethos? Just because they show up on a panel we are supposed to believe they are credible? That their opinion is worth listening to?? Give me a break.

    Where is the logos? Do they present a compelling case based on logic and evidence or do they just bounce off what evryone else is saying wanting to be part of the high school club? Give me a break.

    Where is the pathos: If they are propagandists this is where they shine. They are all about manipulating emotions. In that case mischief is indeed afoot and those hacks put it there.

    Those are the salient differences between jouranlists and propagandists.

  103. Caesar also inspired some “humorous” negative campaign slogans: Caesar was “every wife’s husband and every husband’s wife” and the “the Queen of Bithynia”. “Plus ça change…etc.”

  104. in defense of unions

    I’m sure many of you have heard the attacks on unions, specifically when the automakers are the headlines.

    Not so fast

    Most unions represent average everyday people making just above poverty. What unions do most of the time is protect the workers in the workplace against safety violations, discrimination, favoritism and a hole bunch of other ism’s. Unions have stepped in where our goverment has dropped the ball protecting workers. Our goverment has been in the business of protecting corporations and not it’s people and the people have suffered.

    Reducing the benefits and pay of any union to match “transplants” is a step backwards for the American worker. We should be trying to bring the “transplants” up instead of taking the American worker down. If this push to level our playing field with third world wages exceeds, we will end up being no better than those countries that exploit their workers.

    The next time you hear a talking head” blasting unions, remember they too have a contract with their employers. (and a very nice one) Unions get collective bargaining agreements for large number of employees not unlike these commentators who think they are above us.

    Don’t blame unions, when seriously only 12% of our working population is protected by one.

    And by the way, I am NOT a union thug as they paint us out to be. Most unions staff are everyday people fighting for workplace protections for others. We aren’t ugly gorrilas carrying baseball bats.

    Unions are not without problem and I will admit even in some of the strongest unions there is pork. This is the exception NOT the rule.

    Again the media is trying to influence your opinion without all the facts. Learn the good bad and ugly about unions before you make a judgement.

    thanks for allowing me my rant

  105. Caroline Kennedy Rips Page From Clinton Campaign NEW YORK (AP) ―

    So far, her first foray into politics has been one of private meetings, brief appearances, and unanswered questions about what she would do, say and think if chosen as New York’s next senator.

    It’s a similar strategy to the one Hillary Rodham Clinton employed successfully in 1999 to meet and listen to residents and politicians, but with a big difference: Kennedy’s really campaigning for only one voter — Democratic Gov. David Paterson. He has the sole responsibility for naming a successor if Clinton is confirmed as President-elect Barack Obama’s secretary of state.

    “It is not a campaign,” Kennedy said after a private meeting with Democratic officials in Rochester.

    Yet there is an intense lobbying effort under way to persuade the people who can persuade the governor to make her a senator.

    In that, the 51-year-old daughter of the late President John F. Kennedy is no different than the dozen or so other Senate hopefuls — but her effort has been far more closely scrutinized because she has never run for office and little is known about her politics, personality or priorities.

    A big part of Kennedy’s effort is trying to convince upstate political bosses that she sees beyond the skyscrapers of Manhattan.

    Upstate New Yorkers feel chronically ignored by New York’s political leadership, especially now that the governor and both senators live in or near New York City.

    The region that sprawls from New York City’s suburbs to the Canadian border and west to Lake Erie has been in the economic doldrums for years, long before the financial meltdown.

    Should Clinton win confirmation early next year, Paterson will appoint someone to the seat for two years.

    Kennedy stumbled in her first public appearance Wednesday in Syracuse. She met privately for an hour with local politicians, then spoke to reporters for all of 30 seconds before being hustled away by an aide.

    Syracuse Mayor Matt Driscoll said she “seemed pleasant” and added: “I think she’s certainly well-read.”

    Former federal prosecutor Dan French said she would return to Syracuse to talk more.

    “People need to let her jump into this,” French said. “She’s doing everything she can to meet people and hear from people, and she’s just begun.”

    Later in the day, in Buffalo, she opened up enough to speak publicly for about two minutes. But she was surrounded by security and media so it’s doubtful the public caught even a glimpse of her.

    The trip did not get good reviews.

    “A drive-by visit,” the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle called it, urging her to come back and talk publicly to real people, not politicians.

    By comparison, when Clinton came through Buffalo on her “listening tour” in August 1999, she dropped in on labor leaders, business leaders, ministers, family picnics and house parties. It was part of a long, concerted effort to showcase Clinton all over the state.

    The then-first lady had an advantage Kennedy doesn’t: Time. She started introducing herself in mid-1999, more than a year before the election. Kennedy has only until January, or February at the latest, before Paterson makes his decision.

    Kennedy’s public outreach so far may be scant, but her private talks have already paid dividends. Kevin Sheekey — the man behind Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s stillborn presidential campaign — has been promoting her privately, according to Democrats who spoke on condition of anonymity because the conversations are private.

    The backroom lobbying also centers around political operative Josh Isay, a former top aide to Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer whose clients include Kennedy, Bloomberg and civil rights activist Al Sharpton, who effectively endorsed Kennedy’s bid last week when he took her out for soul food at Sylvia’s in Harlem.

    Those sorts of overlapping loyalties strike some as undemocratic, even in a process where a non-elected governor — Paterson rose to the office when Gov. Eliot Spitzer resigned in disgrace — is picking a non-elected senator.

    “It looks like Bloomberg is creating a cadre of philosopher kings and queens drawn from the elite,” said Doug Muzzio, professor of politics at Baruch College. “I don’t know that it’s a positive development for New York politics, irrespective of her and her qualifications.”

    Bloomberg has lavished praise on her, and the politically powerful Kennedy clan has vowed to do everything they can to support her bid.

    After her meal with Sharpton at Sylvia’s, an appearance that is one of the rituals of running for statewide office in New York, Kennedy briefly addressed reporters waiting outside.

    “I have, you know, quite a lot to learn, but I feel like I bring a lot with me, as well,” she said. “This is a time when nobody can afford to sit out. And I hope that I have something to offer.”

    (© 2008 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.)
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    AP is a corrupt shop. See the headline. “Rips”. Only the Las Vegas Sun had the wisdom to edit out that Frank Luntz verb and use the common iteration Takes A Page. But AP is a shop that is still trying to destroy the Clintons. How can we forget Fouhey who planted false stories about Clinton during the primary at the behest of Axelrod. A female friend of mine who met her in Iowa describes her as a very negative individual. A pale imitiation of Modo perhaps? However, it is the unnamed, unseen editor of that shop that is the real pusspocket of evil.

    But even a corrupt shop gets it right once in a while. The law of averages promises that much. In this case, I happen to like the following:

    “It looks like Bloomberg is creating a cadre of philosopher kings and queens drawn from the elite,” said Doug Muzzio, professor of politics at Baruch College. “I don’t know that it’s a positive development for New York politics, irrespective of her and her qualifications.”

    The name of the game here is loading the dice. The people of New York need to tell their governor to avoid the Kennedy crap table.

  106. Caesar also inspired some “humorous” negative campaign slogans: Caesar was “every wife’s husband and every husband’s wife” and the “the Queen of Bithynia”. “Plus ça change…etc.”
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    Barack is a metasexual man according to the dizzy spouse of the governor of Virginia. I understand straight and I understand gay but that one through me for a loop. Until now.

    Bambi is every wifes husband and every husbands wife. Therefore he is a metasexual–I guess. Or else a menage a tois. Which might be a little tough to explain to Michelle.

    As you say SHV: “Plus ça change…

  107. I just noticed something else. Caroline had lunch at Sylvias in Harlem, which Henry and I have talked about before. It is a wonderful place and the food is terrific. Makes you realize how much of our culture food as well as music came from our African American countrymen and women. But the one thing they forgot to tell princess Caroline is that Sylvias is a Republican establishment.

  108. The old saying among hucksters: sell the sizzle not the steak.

    Likewise, in this moment of crisis we seem to prefer celebrities to problemsolvers.

    Sell the sizzle–the steak is not edible.

  109. Thank you shortermer. I will be speaking to some people who have very solid journalistic credentials and see if they can sharpen my analysis or add anything of value. The point is we can no longer accept at face value what these journalists tell us because they are no longer guided by the journalistic tradition. If we want the truth, we must evaluate what they say with a sceptical eye and then look further if we are not satisfied. They are not the final authority anymore. The thing I posted by anewnewdeal yesterday is an important piece of the analyis for anyone who wants to preserve a hard copy. Admins posts would make a wonderful book and object lesson on how to do it right.

  110. N.Y. GOP Voice Opposition To Kennedy As SenatorWASHINGTON (CBS News) ―
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    Caroline Kennedy, who has placed her name in contention as a replacement for Sen. Hillary Clinton, was slammed by New York Republicans who view her as a “celebrity” without the qualifications necessary to function in Congress.

    At the same time, it was suggested that Republicans might want her to be chosen, preferring to run against her in two years’ time than against a more experienced politician.

    Speaking on CBS’ Face The Nation, Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y. (who has said he wants to run for Senate) called Kennedy a “People Magazine celebrity” who, as far as he knew, “has never held a real job.

    “How can the average New Yorker identify with Caroline Kennedy?” King asked. “She comes from an outstanding family, I’m sure she’s a wonderful parent, but she’s never taken a stand on any public issue. She’s never even held one news conference. She hasn’t gone to one American Legion hall or Knights of Columbus hall or Masonic temple, or one synagogue to answer questions. When she does go on her so-called listening tour upstate, she’s, like, running from city hall into the car to avoid reporters.

    “And we just can’t afford that. We can’t afford to have a senator who is not prepared on day one.”

    While King said that other potential replacements for Hillary Clinton had “far more credentials” than Kennedy, he believed that choosing her would put Kennedy under tremendous scrutiny. “There’s going to be a magnifying glass on her,” he said. “And people are going to see that she is not equipped for the job. And I think the Republican candidate in 2010 will have a much better opportunity against Caroline Kennedy than against the others, especially someone who can identify with middle-income, working-class families.”

    The GOP sentiments were echoed by Rep. Tom Reynolds, from Buffalo in upstate New York, who decried the Senate as becoming “a House of Lords.”

    Referring to replacements being named or proferred to replace Senators Joe Biden and Barack Obama, Reynolds said, “We’re seeing a seat-warmer in Delaware, a seat-seller in Illinois, and we’re making seat-cushions in New York for, kind of, an aristocrat royalty of entitlement coming in here.”

    Those characterizations of Kennedy as an elitist were not accepted by New York City Schools Chancellor Joel Klein, who defended her experience, particularly in public service.

    “I think people are missing the essence of this woman,” Klein told host Bob Schieffer. “And I’ll give you two instances. Five and a half, six years ago, when I asked her, along with Mayor Bloomberg, to come help with New York City’s public schools, that’s not a glamorous thing to do. This woman put her shoulder to the wheel, went out there and sent a powerful message to the entire city that public education matters. She helped us raise money. She helped us forge partnerships. And she spent time with our kids in the schools. I think that says a lot about her.

    “My good friend Pete King said, you know, what does she know about the middle class or the working class, the struggling people? With all due respect, she came to work for the kids in New York. Most of those kids grow up in poor families.”

    Saying he has known Kennedy for a long time, Klein described her as “a very bright, very committed woman,” and said that the work she did for President-elect Obama as part of his vice presidential search committee led her to become more involved publicly in issues of importance to her.

    “I think in her own quiet but very effective way, she’s going to be able to bring new ideas at a time when this country needs them,” he said. “I think Caroline Kennedy has all of the right stuff. I think she’s ready.”

    Fellow Democratic Rep. Gary Ackerman of New York, however, was less receptive to a return to Camelot:

    “Everyone knows who she is, but we’re not sure what she is,” he said. “You know, they’re Kennedys. They’re all boats, but is she a sailboat when we need a battleship?”

    He accused her handlers of protecting her (a la Sarah Palin’s campaign staff) from reporters. “They’re kind of building a mystique and an industry around her, when we need somebody to fight.

    “She has a very famous name and she’s a very attractive candidate. Those are good things in politics. But it’s not an entitlement. You know, one of the things that we have to observe is that DNA, in this business, can take you just so far. You know, Rembrandt was a great artist. His brother Murray, on the other hand, Murray Rembrandt wouldn’t paint a house.”

    Also on the program, former Rep. Geraldine Ferraro, D-N.Y., said she recommended to Gov. David Paterson that whomever he selects to replace Clinton should be someone who is already familiar with Congress in order to effectively deal with the myriad problems being faced in Washington and Albany.

    “In order to get somebody to hit the ground running, I specifically said [to the governor] I think you should look to members of Congress,” she said. “They’ve been dealing with these issues for the last several months. … They know what’s going on, they know the process.

    “And then I did put it in a little bit of a support for the six women members. I said I don’t know if any one of them wants it, but I think you should reach out to them and ask them. That was it.”

    At the conclusion of the program, political anchor Dominic Carter of the New York City cable news channel NY1 said that, from what he has heard, “It is basically a done deal – that if Caroline Kennedy wants this seat (and she has expressed interest in it), then it is hers.”

    He disputed remarks that Kennedy was unprepared or unwilling to face the media. “Last week I had the opportunity to sit down with her for a couple of minutes up in Harlem, and the Camelot signs are there,” he told Schieffer. “When she walked into this restaurant in Harlem, the crowd gave her basically a standing ovation. And then she sat down for a private event. I saw confidence. I saw that she wasn’t looking to run away from the media. It has been somewhat of a slow rollout of Caroline Kennedy, and I think her folks are taking the heat for that.”

    Carter also said that the backing of Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will help convince Gov. Paterson to choose her, especially looking ahead to 2010, when both her seat and that of fellow New Yorker Chuck Schumer will be up for reelection.

    “She brings prestige, she brings the Kennedy name, and she brings the ability to raise a lot of money,” Carter said. “That’s one less problem the Democrats would have to worry about.”

    And what about Hillary? Would she support Kennedy, after Kennedy backed Obama?

    “She has told her people to back off,” Carter said. “She is moving ahead in terms of becoming Secretary of State. And you know, for all the criticism we’ve heard of Caroline Kennedy, we’ve been there before in terms of hearing the exact same thing about Hillary Clinton.”
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    Dominic Carter is known to be an Obama shill. So it is hardly surprising that he would push the inevitability theme with Princess Caroline. He fails to mention that Hillary did not endorse the to the manor borne princess. She wants the people of New York to have the best possible representation, and has given her views on that subject to Patterson privately. In sum, Dominic is not impressive. As for Klein, the case he makes for the princess is underwhelming.

  111. A successful politican must always be thinking about the future. We are in a honeymoon period now and that will end well before 2010. If Patterson appoints Princess Caroline to the seat and her performance is lackluster King will beat her. Teddy will be gone by then and America will be better off if only for that reason. More information will be forthcoming about the Chicago Machine and Obamas inevitable ties to same. And Patterson if wants to win reelection then he must not antagonize political bosses by stepping over native son or daughter candidates. If I were him I not yield to the pressure to appoint her because it could prove ruinous to my own career.

  112. wbboei,

    “Mrs. Smith: if you think the idea has merit, then how do we convince them is was their idea. If not then I shall be joining Joe Biden and his army of secret service chaparons on the Siberian Express from Washinton DC to Wilmington and all points in between.”

    As someone mentioned upthread, there is another Puma Blog called Daily Puma. A regular spreadsheet of most of the known Puma blogs. The website: Daily Puma. The site is owned and managed by Alex Machi who is available through his own blog for conference on the subject of culling journalists not acting in our best interests.

  113. wbboei..

    I’ve posted the website called Daily Puma. You will see it as soon as it goes thru moderation. There is the best chance for the feedback of many voices having researchers at your disposal for valid opine dissemination on the good, the bad, and the ugly journalists.

    His44 is already listed there. All it needs is attention made to it’s mission and presence.

  114. Sadly, or unfortunately, I believe that after CK is selected (if indeed she is), Gerry will go on all the stations saying how wonderful and competent she is. That is what happened with obama. When the game was up, she got right on the party bandwagon.

    I am pleased she is a voice of reason now, causing trouble for teddy and friends, but I expect to be disappointed.

    Can someone please tell me how I can change my log in to drop my last name? It was a mistake originally. I have emailed and tried to change it without result.

  115. wbboei, When I was reading the article you posted on CK, I could tell Dominic Carter was an Obama shill (and I never heard of him) by his comments. You know, the whole “she’s no different from Hillary in 2000” schtick and the “it’s inevitable” meme. It’s so obvious they’re trying to railroad Paterson into appointing her.

  116. wbboei, When I was reading the article you posted on CK, I could tell Dominic Carter was an Obama shill (and I never heard of him) by his comments. You know, the whole “she’s no different from Hillary in 2000″ schtick and the “it’s inevitable” meme. It’s so obvious they’re trying to railroad Paterson into appointing her.
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    Paula: amen to that.

  117. Can someone please tell me how I can change my log in to drop my last name? It was a mistake originally. I have emailed and tried to change it without result
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    Carol: contact our leader: Admin

  118. Carol

    Just bring up this site and re-register in the upper left third under a different name. Some of us have had to re-register once, twice or three times ourselves.

    See you on the pink pages later, stranger.

  119. To my eye at least, CK bears some physical resemblance to a famous Hollywood actress of a bygone era–Margaret Hamilton. I am speaking now of associations the mind makes.

    If Margaret’s name does not ring a bell then I invite you to google it. We saw that movie as children so the association would be subliminal. Perhaps that is what some of us reacted to.

    On the other hand I could be wrong. At the conscious level we must focus on what she could bring to the job. Nothing of substance from what I can tell. Klein and Carter have not persuaded me to believe otherwise.

  120. wbboei, I still can’t figure out what metasexual is! In medical terminalogy, meta is above, maybe bambi is above sex, so maybe he is just asexual. Who knows, this new terminology is ridiculous. It could also mean many, as in many sexes. ROTFLMAO!! What kind of person have they selected to represent the United States of America, a metasexual person thats who!!!

  121. Confloyd, I agree it is a hell of a problem. I have looked everywhere for an answer but none has been forthcoming. I suppose we could ask the first lady of Virginia to clarify her stupid remark. Otherwise we will have to seek the services of a metaphysician who can help us channel with the spirit of Franklin Marshall Davis. If anyone would know the answer to that one he would.

  122. I’ve posted the website called Daily Puma. You will see it as soon as it goes thru moderation. There is the best chance for the feedback of many voices having researchers at your disposal for valid opine dissemination on the good, the bad, and the ugly journalists.

    His44 is already listed there. All it needs is attention made to it’s mission and presence.
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    Thanks Mrs. Smith. I shall check it out.

  123. Wbboei, there is an interesting piece over on Cannonfire about the Diebold voting machines in Ohio and how the Bush’s are linked to them thru Kenneth Blackwell.
    My take on the piece is that it could make sense in that the ultra left wing of the Democratic party hates Bill and Hillary to the point that it would make a deal with the devil (Bush and the Republicans) to keep Hillary and Bill out of power again.
    If there theory is correct then our next President will be Jeb Bush, we can all wait and see, gee I can’t wait!

  124. AP story on CK: The then-first lady had an advantage Kennedy doesn’t: Time. She started introducing herself in mid-1999, more than a year before the election. Kennedy has only until January, or February at the latest, before Paterson makes his decision.
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    Wow, what terrible bad luck for CK. Hillary just totally lucked out in having a whole near two years before running for NY office. Events haven’t shaped themselves so well to accomodate CK.

    Maybe CK should consider targeting 2010, an election well in the future, like Hillary did? Naw, CK is a Kennedy.

  125. wbboei Says:
    December 21st, 2008 at 7:47 pm
    Caesar also inspired some “humorous” negative campaign slogans: Caesar was “every wife’s husband and every husband’s wife” and the “the Queen of Bithynia”. “Plus ça change…etc.”
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    Barack is a metasexual man according to the dizzy spouse of the governor of Virginia. I understand straight and I understand gay but that one through me for a loop. Until now.

    Bambi is every wifes husband and every husbands wife. Therefore he is a metasexual–I guess. Or else a menage a tois.
    =====================

    No, that was Dick Morris.

    Dunno meta-sexual but a metro-sexual is a man who likes straight sex but prances around limp-wristed in an urban lifestyle.

    No reflection on Obama’s actual physical habits, but I think there’s some truth to the “every wife’s husband and every husband’s wife” in public image. Cf Adlai Stevenson and Bradley? Bush Jr was perfumed with a similar brush very early though it didn’t take: some very early profile said he might get to be president BECAUSE he doesn’t care, doesn’t want it enough to lose his cool.

    So for the young macho bots this type of politician can be a passive damsel they’re defending.

  126. ShortTermer Says:
    December 21st, 2008 at 8:32 pm
    wbboei, I may initiate the journalist/propagandist idea on my website and blog; interesting idea.
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    Good. URL?

  127. No, that was Dick Morris.

    Dunno meta-sexual but a metro-sexual is a man who likes straight sex but prances around limp-wristed in an urban lifestyle.

    No reflection on Obama’s actual physical habits, but I think there’s some truth to the “every wife’s husband and every husband’s wife” in public image. Cf Adlai Stevenson and Bradley? Bush Jr was perfumed with a similar brush very early though it didn’t take: some very early profile said he might get to be president BECAUSE he doesn’t care, doesn’t want it enough to lose his cool.

    So for the young macho bots this type of politician can be a passive damsel they’re defending.
    ————————————–Turndown, your knowledge is always impressive. I always believed bots were a schmarmy lot. It doesnt seem quite right for them to be going around with these my barack obama diaries. But the damosel in distress sceario explains this.

    Your explanation is much appreciated since neither Confloyd nor I much relished the idea of channeling Marshall. The cell phone signal cuts out on the other side of the river Styx.

  128. Turndown: very good. Morris and two toes would be a menage a toi alright. Maybe Morris is the one who should be channeling Franklin Marshall Davis. Him or Keith Oberstrumfuerer.

  129. wbboei posted: N.Y. GOP Voice Opposition To Kennedy As SenatorWASHINGTON (CBS News)
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    I can’t find a comment string so I’ll rant here. They answer the charge of celebrity by saying in a restaurant she got an ovation??!!??

  130. Carol Saxe buda Says: Can someone please tell me how I can change my log in to drop my last name? It was a mistake originally. I have emailed and tried to change it without result.
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    I wanted a new name in early summer so I just logged off an d did a whole new registration under the new name. I think the old name still works.

  131. I have always seen BO as asexual. completely without sex or gender, male or female. his admirers project what fantasy suites them.. gay, straight, whatever.

    “…I serve as a blank screen on which people… project their own views.”

  132. alcina Says:
    December 22nd, 2008 at 6:09 am
    I have always seen BO as asexual. completely without sex or gender, male or female. his admirers project what fantasy suites them.. gay, straight, whatever.
    ===============

    Cold blooded slimy reptile. Lounge lizard. Gigilo.

  133. turndown

    i think MO exhibits more sexuality and certainly has more testosterone. BO is nothing more than an amoeba.

  134. Carol Saxe
    Months ago I made the same mistake of using my full name and even gave out my email address. It was during the height of the bambi/Senator Clinton contest and wow did I get emails. Vile diatribes with step by step instructions on how to commit suicide. I strongly recommend reregistering. Others who posted here had thier livlihoods effected by the everpresent trolls.

  135. DEMONSTRATION

    Some people are talking about a demonstration outside the Boston Globe to protest the Globe selecting Favreau to be honored.

    I think the demonstrators should make some cardboard figures with faces on them of the Globe editors and/or their wives.

    Invite passers-by to grope the figures while you take photos to be posted in Facebook. Charge money maybe….

  136. wobbei, please email me at shorttermerpuma@gmail and I will share info with you re the journalist/propagandist idea.

  137. turndownobama-com, excellent idea that would get the point that sexism and misogyny is not acceptable; this would bring it home for them – straight to the heart via the brain.

  138. I had not deleted this message from Oct 31st and when I came across it again, a smile creeped over my face. What us Hillaryis44 supporters have gone through, sheesh:

    Deborah Utter to me
    show details Oct 31 Reply

    you guys on hill 44 are whacks jobs you say your dems but you sound like repub hacks

    Deborah Utter
    sseas@earthlink.net
    EarthLink Revolves Around You.

  139. Ruh..Roh….
    Fitz has been recording conversation for >5 years….
    “CHICAGO — – The wide-ranging public corruption probe that led to the arrest of Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich got its first big break when a hospital executive wearing an FBI wire walked into a breakfast meeting with shakedown artists.
    Pamela Meyer Davis, CEO of Edward Hospital, had been trying to win approval from a state health planning board for an expansion of the facility, located in a Chicago suburb. She realized that the only way to prevail was to retain a politically connected construction company and a specific investment house. Instead of succumbing to those demands, she went to the FBI and U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald in late 2003 and agreed to secretly record conversations about the project.
    (snip)
    http: / / http://www.courant.com/news/nationworld/hc-guv1222.artdec22,0,2691756.story
    Hummm..I wonder if they have anything on Obama agreeing to reduce the membership of the Hospital Oversight Board??

  140. Ruh..Roh….
    Fitz has been recording conversation for >5 years….
    “CHICAGO — – The wide-ranging public corruption probe that led to the arrest of Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich got its first big break when a hospital executive wearing an FBI wire walked into a breakfast meeting with shakedown artists.
    Pamela Meyer Davis, CEO of Edward Hospital, had been trying to win approval from a state health planning board for an expansion of the facility, located in a Chicago suburb. She realized that the only way to prevail was to retain a politically connected construction company and a specific investment house. Instead of succumbing to those demands, she went to the FBI and U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald in late 2003 and agreed to secretly record conversations about the project.
    (snip)
    courant.com/news/nationworld/hc-guv1222.artdec22,0,2691756.story
    Hummm..I wonder if they have anything on Obama agreeing to reduce the membership of the Hospital Oversight Board??

  141. Turndown: regarding Favreau–

    Once upon a time we had the Boston Strangler.

    We now have the Boston Groper.

    Perhaps they should give him the Boston Groper Award.

    Perhaps someone should contact Howie Carr who does a local program. He is an enterprising muchraker did a long remembered special on a man who married his dog Fido. Therefore, Faveau would not be beyond the pale. Also, we should mention that he is joined at the hip to Teddy–that alone will get his adrenelin flowing.

    Howie might want to invite a shrink on his program to discuss the problem of groping in public. He could invite Faveau on the program to discuss his problem, and note the fact that he declined. He could ask bambi whether this will be the official policy of the new Administration.

    The possibilties are endless. Then Howie could get the shrink to talk about the prototypical bot as a case of arrested development, and the metro sexual syndrome as it relates to bambi, their damsel in distress. They could even get that Chris Hansen to do a son of the catmen series called to catch a groper.

    These are just ideas. I would imagine the people organizing this protest have better ones.

  142. Fitz has been recording conversation for >5 years….
    ——————————————
    Thank God for that.

  143. Hummm..I wonder if they have anything on Obama agreeing to reduce the membership of the Hospital Oversight Board??
    ——————————————
    Its not unlikely. Of course the defense will be not the Uncle Tony I knew. I will bet you a nickel Jarrett is dirty. Just a hunch.

  144. # wbboei Says:
    December 22nd, 2008 at 12:35 pm
    Fitz has been recording conversation for >5 years….
    ——————————————
    Thank God for that.
    ***********
    Obama has a huge problem with Fitz. Does he “fire” him and purge the USAs in the Northern District of Illinois or does he hope that they will back off after 01/20/09? It comes down to “political sh*t-storm vs Drip..Drip..Drip. Hope “O” is having fun on the beach. I don’t think Holder’s confirmation hearing is going to be fun.

  145. MSM giving them plenty of time to get the “facts” out while they would have prejudged and convicted Bill or Hillary the first day the story broke…

  146. jbstonesfan Says:
    December 22nd, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    MSM giving them plenty of time to get the “facts” out while they would have prejudged and convicted Bill or Hillary the first day the story broke…
    *************
    That is why “O” and Rahm are in hiding…They don’t know what Fitz has on tape and they don’t want to fall into Fitz’s purgery trap. Maybe they are trying to delay until after 01/20/09 and then they can get some loyal ‘obats into Fitz’z office to take care of any inconvienent recordings.

  147. wobbei, please email me at shorttermerpuma@gmail and I will share info with you re the journalist/propagandist idea.
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    shorttermer: I tried that email address and it would not send. Should I foward through admin?

  148. That is why “O” and Rahm are in hiding…They don’t know what Fitz has on tape and they don’t want to fall into Fitz’s purgery trap. Maybe they are trying to delay until after 01/20/09 and then they can get some loyal ‘obats into Fitz’z office to take care of any inconvienent recordings
    ————————————-
    That is the most helpless feeling in the world. Not knowing what they have on tape.

    As for the silence of big media, that is hardly surprising. They know this this whole thing could blow up in THEIR faces.

    In view of the foregoing, I do not believe Eric Holder should be confirmed. We need someone who is non-partisan in that role.

    Furthermore, as Admin has suggested we need a special counsel. The Republicans need to push the issue now, while they still have some clout.

    Corruption is on the march. Chicago is the epicenter. Through Obama and his Chicago based DNC it will go nation-wide if Fitz fails or get muzzled.

  149. Hi wbboei,posted at 2:55 upthread:

    “I’ve posted the website called Daily Puma. You will see it as soon as it goes thru moderation. There is the best chance for the feedback of many voices having researchers at your disposal for valid opine dissemination on the good, the bad, and the ugly journalists.

    His44 is already listed there. All it needs is attention made to it’s mission and presence.”

    Here is the website I mentioned up thread that has over 100 Puma sites on a spreadsheet like format. (The post with this info never made it thru moderation…I have no idea why.)

    ennyway:

    dailypuma.blogspot.com

    His is 44 is displayed there daily.

  150. So the deal was Teddy endorses BO, gets rid of Hillary in the Senate, and has his niece appointed…Hillary can’t protest b/c she is SOS for the Messiah, and we get a Kennedy in the senate with her eyes certainly on being the first woman presdent in 8-12 yrs…I dislike Obama and Teddy very much, but they certainly out manouvered our beloved Hillary and Bill on this one.

  151. turndownobama

    saw this on midstream:

    http://www.worldpress.org/gateway.htm (this one gives the political leanings of the publication? — I couldn’t find that.)

    Just press the country, it will list all the publications and the first bit of info in parentheses is the political leaning…one in England is even listed as “Tory”.

    Also, how does one contribute an article or bit of coverage?

    I recommend this site to all who read here and are sick to death of slanted news from papers and talking heads who just regurgitate slanted newspaper coverage.

  152. Economic conditions snapshot, December 2008: McKinsey Global Survey Results

    A survey in the field from December 2 to December 8 describes a tough month. Compared with one month earlier, twice as many executives now expect their companies’ profit to fall in 2009, and more than half expect deflation in their countries in the first quarter. Small, private companies are still doing better than others.
    DECEMBER 2008

    In This Article
    Page 1: Introduction
    Page 2: Companies managing on the edge
    Exhibit 1: Sinking profits
    Exhibit 2: No price change to seek higher profits
    Exhibit 3: Fewer jobs
    Exhibit 4: Efforts to increase liquidity
    Exhibit 5: Making adjustments to cope with economic turmoil
    Page 3: A few bright spots
    Page 4: Global gloom
    Exhibit 6: Negative expectations on trends
    Exhibit 7: Expecting deflation
    Exhibit 8: A deeper downturn
    Executives have become markedly more pessimistic about their companies’ prospects over the past month, and their already gloomy views on their countries’ economies have intensified, according to a recent McKinsey survey.1 Just over half expect deflation in the first quarter, and the economic downturn appears to have begun hitting developed markets harder over the month, with much higher proportions of executives in those countries saying conditions have gotten “substantially worse.”

    With regard to their companies, nearly 70 percent of respondents say they have already seen their profits fall as a result of global turmoil, and half expect profits to fall in 2009. The share of executives saying their companies are planning to decrease the size of their workforces in the near term has risen from 35 percent to 44 percent in the past month.

    Nevertheless, some companies—though fewer than a month ago—are still maintaining stability and even finding opportunity in these markets. Smaller and private companies continue to look nimbler and more stable than larger and public ones. And 13 percent of companies overall are contemplating positive strategic moves (such as introducing new products or services to meet new customer needs) and not contemplating any defensive strategies

    ——————————————
    This is the number 1 management consulting firm in the world. They hire only the best and the brightest. Their assessment of global economic conditions is infallible. Just dont ever bring them into your company for advice because they will screw it up til hell wont have it anymore. Other than that they are really impressive. Other than that how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?

  153. turndownobama

    This is a repeat to you w/o the any of the link, cause I’m in moderation, cooling my heels.

    The system inserted the dreaded h – – – /- – even tho I took all the spammer stuff out. Oh well.

    saw this on midstream from you:

    “3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3
    (this one gives the political leanings of the publication? — I couldn’t find that.)”

    Just press the country, it will list all the publications and the first bit of info in parentheses is the political leaning…one in England is even listed as “Tory”.

    Also, how does one contribute an article or bit of coverage?

    I recommend this site to all who read here and are sick to death of slanted news from papers and talking heads who just regurgitate slanted newspaper coverage.

  154. So the deal was Teddy endorses BO, gets rid of Hillary in the Senate, and has his niece appointed…Hillary can’t protest b/c she is SOS for the Messiah, and we get a Kennedy in the senate with her eyes certainly on being the first woman presdent in 8-12 yrs…I dislike Obama and Teddy very much, but they certainly out manouvered our beloved Hillary and Bill on this one.
    —————————————–
    jbstonesfan. things are seldom what they seem. In fact the opposite is true. She and Bill are thinking two moves ahead. Remember the senate is a seniority based system and she would not have a voice. Also the washington dc press corp is sycopathic toward her. Where she is going she has the key leadership position, a team of her own choice, solveable problems, a world that appreciates her and a foreign press that is not corrupt. I would say the canary has flown from the cage they tried to put her in. With the corrupt self serving press corp we have in this country the truth seldom gets out, but it was fourth down and we were out of time outs and she made it happen–leaders do that. And part of the art is the art of desguising the art so that most people do not know how it happend. What they do with the New York Senate seat is not her problem. If the governor caves in to a power play his days are numbered.

  155. SHV Says:
    December 22nd, 2008 at 10:29 am
    1) meterosexual
    A person (typically male) who takes pride in his appearance, dresses impeccably, goes for facials, expensive hair cuts and things of that nature. They are often assumed to be gay.
    “Sam? Oh he isn’t gay. I know he fusses a lot about his appearance, but he really isn’t gay. He’s just a meterosexual.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=meterosexual

    ================

    I would tend to consider the editors of urbandictionary to be authoritative on this.

  156. wbboei

    Will you take a few minutes and connect these dots for me? My comprehension score is really low today.

    “As for the silence of big media, that is hardly surprising. They know this this whole thing could blow up in THEIR faces.”

    Thanks friend.

  157. The issue for me where ck is concerned is experience and entitlement. Will she need crib notes and scenario what ifs in order to do the job? Will she have a ghost writer for anything that comes out of that office? Will she ever answer questions of a serious nature without needing the protection of Uncle Teddy?

    In other words, is she Obamalite in a dress?

  158. wbboei Says:

    December 21st, 2008 at 8:13 pm
    And you know the definition of a celebrity: famous for being famous.
    &&&&&&&&

    Say, you’re dissin’ my fave, Paris H., are you?

    She’s accomplished, savvy, a deep person.
    Okay, I kid, I kid… But I like her anyway.

    PH: “Wow, I’m, like, not ditzy. I’m just, you know… I like fun. Weeee”.

    And underneath that persona is a savvy business woman who didn’t need the attention, didn’t need the extra money, could have coasted on the silver spoon she was raised on.

  159. Emjay Says:
    December 22nd, 2008 at 4:15 pm
    turndownobama

    (this one gives the political leanings of the publication? — I couldn’t find that.)”

    Just press the country, it will list all the publications and the first bit of info in parentheses is the political leaning…one in England is even listed as “Tory”.

    Also, how does one contribute an article or bit of coverage?

    I recommend this site to all who read here and are sick to death of slanted news from papers and talking heads who just regurgitate slanted newspaper coverage.

    =================

    Thanks emjay!! I’ll try to clarify that foreign media thing soon.

    To add or suggest a good story, you can post it as a Comment to whatever is on top at midstreamnews.blogspot

    or email me at
    tdo@turndownobama.com
    1950democrat@gmail.com

  160. Hi Emjay: if his investigation has been underway for five years then they probably have a treasure trove of information.

    During that time Bambi went from candidate, to nominee to president elect. Thus, you can be sure combine members talked about him and what it would mean to them. Most likely they approached him too Therein lies the possibility that he will be ensnared.

    If he is ensnared then Big Media will be too. Why? Because they have portaryed him as the Messiah, failed to vet him and claimed he is the result of immaculate conception. Their serial lies and deceit will blow up in their faces.

  161. Admin-

    Hi. I have a comment moderating from 4:02 pm and Mrs. Smith has one from 2:55pm.

    Could someone dive into the filter and fish them out?

    Speaking of fish…

    If you are scuba diving at this moment, maybe the house-sitter, dog-walker, plant waterer, whoever… could do that little chore. No need for you to zip back from Grand Turk. 🙂

    Thanks a bunch.

  162. Say, you’re dissin’ my fave, Paris H., are you
    ————————————–
    Never.

    Never in a million years.

    In fact, I think she should run for the New York Senate Seat in 2012 if Patterson falls though his ass. Maybe the Governor job as well.

    This would put terrible pressure on the bots. They would have to choose between two unqualified celebrities–a vapid heiress and a vapid heiress. Puberty can be hell but this could drive them over the edge.

  163. Jeeez- can’t even do a smiley face! I’m in moderation again.

    Admin- (a repost)

    Hi. I have a comment moderating from 4:02 pm–and now 5:16pm– and Mrs. Smith has one from 2:55pm.

    Could someone dive into the filter and fish them out?

    Speaking of fish…

    If you are scuba diving at this moment, maybe the house-sitter, dog-walker, plant waterer, whoever… could do that little chore. No need for you to zip back from Grand Turk. (pretend smiley face here)

    Thanks a bunch.

  164. One of the least attractive of the Clinton Hater brigade has been Jonathan Alter. Apparently trying to make amends with a more flattering view of them now that he has to deal with the grim reality of our Beloved Leader. Try this: …” Preoccupied with economic woes at home, Obama simply won’t have time to spend a big chunk of his first year in office on the road. In many ways the crucial restoration of America’s prestige in the world will fall instead to the Clintons. The couple are already so popular abroad that when they land at a foreign airport, they can hit the tarmac running on all the bilateral and multilateral issues they know so well…”

    Full article at :www.newsweek.com/id/176295 How sweet it is to watch the scales peel back from the eyes of these weasels when they discover their god has feet of clay.

  165. sorry, emjay.. I gave up and went around the rules. If you do this 🙂 and it doesn’t resonate with moderation, we’ll still get it.

    Wow- when I think about Big Pink, we’ve been at it quite a while. I must have been one of the first dozen or so Charter members of The Pink Club. met some wonderful people. I miss Okie, I wish she would come back and play with us now that most of the trolls have retired back to the ether.

    wbboei Says:
    December 22nd, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    “things are seldom what they seem. In fact the opposite is true. She and Bill are thinking two moves ahead. Remember the senate is a seniority based system and she would not have a voice. Also the washington dc press corp is sycopathic toward her. Where she is going she has the key leadership position, a team of her own choice, solveable problems, a world that appreciates her and a foreign press that is not corrupt. I would say the canary has flown from the cage they tried to put her in. With the corrupt self serving press corp we have in this country the truth seldom gets out, but it was fourth down and we were out of time outs and she made it happen–leaders do that. And part of the art is the art of desguising the art so that most people do not know how it happend. What they do with the New York Senate seat is not her problem. If the governor caves in to a power play his days are numbered”

    Absolutely, wbboei

    I was all in for Hillary taking the SOS position. She finally has the freedom to fly unhindered by an intrusive media, creating another chapter in her diverse repertoire of accomplishments. Hillary has made fast friends internationally throughout her WH years. Representing Bill’s legacy of peace and prosperity isn’t too shabby an olive branch of Trust for openers, dealing with foreign leaders.

  166. blue Says:

    December 22nd, 2008 at 5:33 pm
    One of the least attractive of the Clinton Hater brigade has been Jonathan Alter. Apparently trying to make amends with a more flattering view of them now that he has to deal with the grim reality of our Beloved Leader. …
    &&&&&&&&&

    After they were revealed to be outright Obama hacks, worshipping at his feet, carrying his water, they now realize they have a “credibility problem”.

    They hope, now that they have abetted in the coup d’etat, that they can write a couple of “tough” articles to regain their bona fides.

    Sorry pal, you can’t undo losing your “virginity”. In this case, that equates with their alleged responsibility of being the Fourth Estate, to oversee government with the public’s best interest put first.

  167. wbboei

    Thanks for the reminder.

    My last five years of phone calls could not bear Patrick’s scrutiny, so I’m sure Blago’s can’t.

  168. One of the least attractive of the Clinton Hater brigade has been Jonathan Alter
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    Blue: Alter is a bottom feeder. But he is still up to his old treachery. First, notice how he claims bambi will be too busy to tackle world problems. The truth is he has zero qualifications to do it. Second, notice how he implies that he will not be able to do so for a year. The truth is it will be it will take longer than that for the domestic economy to recover, so who is kidding whom. Third, notice how he fails to give Hillary credit but merges it into the Clintons. Bill is not sos, he has other priorities, this is Hillary’s hour in the sun and numbnutz Alter wants to deny it to her. Fourth, like the dumb jouranlist he is see how he conflates popularity with problemsolving. All glory is fleeting. What counts in the end is results. Hillary understands that. Bambi and Alter do not. Alter reminds me of one of those evil winged monkeys in the Wizard of Oz only dumber. He belongs in the msnbc propaganda mill.

    How dare this sexist son of a bitch say that the job of restoring our international status falls on the

  169. rgb

    To your knowledge, does a list, either comprehensive or partial, exist.. that names these fourth estate reprobates, hopefully with their corporate supporters?

    We could always find their sponsors – was just hoping for a hearty start

  170. Trouble in paradise. I sense the momentum is flowing away from Kennedy. I would be surprised if she is picked. This article explains suggests why. Among other things, if he appoints Cuomo he is a hero in New York and eliminates Cuomo for the governors job he wants for himself. For him I believe that is the winning move.
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    Analysis: No clear path for Kennedy
    By Reid Wilson (The Hill)
    Posted: 12/22/08 04:56 PM [ET]

    Caroline Kennedy has garnered heavy media attention in her bid to fill Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-N.Y.) Senate seat, but the scion of America’s best-known political family has anything but a clear path to Washington.

    Kennedy, the daughter of the late President Kennedy and an ally of President-elect Obama, will likely compete with a rising star with one of the best last names in New York politics and a slew of other potential candidates ready to make their case to Gov. David Paterson.

    New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, the son of Gov. Mario Cuomo, is said to be interested in the job and has his own allies quietly lobbying for his appointment. Complicating the rivalry for the seat is a personal tension between families derived from Cuomo’s very public divorce from Kennedy’s cousin.

    Paterson could avoid stepping between the two powerful families by appointing someone else. Reps. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.), Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) and Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) are said to be on Paterson’s short list, as is Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown (D).

    Several Empire State Democrats looking to take Kennedy down a peg and elevate their own candidacies have openly questioned her credentials of late. Some go so far as to suggest that appointing Kennedy to the Senate could even give Republicans a better shot at capturing the seat in two years.

    On CBS’s “Face the Nation” this weekend, Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.) compared Kennedy’s recent trip to upstate New York with Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s (R) rollout as the GOP vice presidential nominee. Former Rep. Geraldine Ferraro (D-N.Y.) wrote Paterson urging him not to appoint Kennedy to the seat.

    Both are seen as allies of Maloney, the nine-term Manhattan congresswoman who, on a radio station Monday morning, defended Ackerman as a champion of women’s rights. Ackerman’s complaints about Kennedy had led to charges he was being sexist.

    Israel accrued hours of personal time over the weekend on a trip to Iraq with Paterson, who has sole authority over who will get Clinton’s seat. The Long Island congressman has been to the war zone several times, and aides say the governor, who wanted to make his first trip to the country, has been working on a trip with Israel and Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) since at least October.

    Democrats critical of Kennedy have questioned her ability as a campaigner. Cuomo has run and won statewide races; Israel, Maloney, Gillibrand and Brown all know what a campaign entails. Facing the prospect of a tough battle in two years, potentially against Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.), some Democrats wonder whether Kennedy would react well to the pressures of a Senate campaign.

    Kennedy’s public campaign for the seat has also drawn criticism as far too public for what is seen as an insider’s run. Though several candidates are actively seeking the appointment, none have held the sort of barnstorming events Kennedy has, especially during her trip upstate last week.

    But Kennedy has promising allies, including several newspapers that have editorialized for her selection. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has reportedly called Paterson to urge him to pick Kennedy. And though Kennedy was a prominent Obama backer in the presidential primaries, Clinton herself reportedly has told allies not to stand in Kennedy’s way.

    Those following the race have taken Cuomo’s unusual silence about the contest as evidence of his interest in the seat. Cuomo, son of former Gov. Mario Cuomo and President Clinton’s secretary of Housing and Urban Development, would bring a wealth of experience in both New York and Washington, backers say. The one-term attorney general has also expressed interest in running for the governor’s mansion, and an appointment by Paterson would eliminate a potential rival in 2010.

    House Democrats have been impressed by Gillibrand’s ability to raise money and to win in a district that has historically leaned Republican. Still, with just two elections under her belt, Gillibrand may be young enough to survive being passed over and may consider a statewide run of her own in the future.

    Brown is the most prominent African-American candidate still being widely mentioned for the job. Being from upstate is a positive for some Democrats, but when faced with a Republican opponent based closer to New York City — as King is — upstate Democrats have had less success. On the job for just three years, Brown is also young enough for Paterson to consider delaying his ascension.

    Clinton has not said definitively when she will resign her Senate seat, though she has indicated she will hold the seat until confirmed as secretary of State.

  171. The other point is the bad blood between the native political family–the Cuomos vs the usurper political family–the Kennedys mentioned in the same article guarantees that a Kennedy appointment by Patterson would go down like a mouth full of grasss burs. Not good is you want to run for govenor.

  172. wbboei and Emjay: Busy with the holidays and familyBest wishes and I will be back on line after this week.wbboei your analysis of Hillary and Bill strategy in response to yhe post by jbstonesfan is right on.bo and his team will have to take a back seat when Hillary turns on her political and foreign fountain of knowledge and brings nations to the table to discuss peace and prosperity
    as a goal we must seek.Can anyone name another person that is so respected around the world?

    By ABM90 A new political star is about to rise from the wreckage of the past 8 years.

  173. ABM 90: I posted some a link at 3:55 am to a thousand pictures of Hillary on the campaign trail. I hope to God you save it to your hard drive because you will appreciate it and they sure tell the real story–along with the Lynette Long studies. Our girl put her heart, soul and millions of dollars of her own money into this campaign–and she did it for us. She is a true sophisticated populist as Rendell said. She is the voice of the American People and that is why the Georgetown set does not like her. The truth is they dont like us. What they worry about–if they worry about anything is that some day the American People wake up and see what is really happening. I know some of these people personally. Obama for them is the perfect shill and the perfect distraction. Racial justice is a canard. The real game is economic justice. Our girl understands that. Bambi does too but he speaks for the overseer.

  174. Remember the senate is a seniority based system and she would not have a voice. Also the washington dc press corp is psychopathic toward her. Where she is going she has the key leadership position, a team of her own choice, solveable problems, a world that appreciates her and a foreign press that is not corrupt. I would say the canary has flown from the cage they tried to put her in. With the corrupt self serving press corp we have in this country the truth seldom gets out, but it was fourth down and we were out of time outs and she made it happen–leaders do that. And part of the art is the art of desguising the art so that most people do not know how it happend. What they do with the New York Senate seat is not her problem. If the governor caves in to a power play his days are numbered.

    Well said, wbboei.

  175. wbboei

    I was on the same flicker site myself last nite…made it to 5-21-08 before nodding off.

    Great minds –hehhehheh.

  176. I used to think it was an anomoly of trial practice that the jury never gets to see some and sometimes alot of the relevant evidence. It is kept out of evidence through various motions and objections. If the jury saw the entire picture they might well decide differnently.

    My mistake is believing in this quaint notion that the people are soverign and that the governent should be subservient to them. But the greater measure of my delusion is a conviction that the press should fully inform the people and let them decide for themselves what they want rather than spin lies and tell them what to think.

    It is easy–so easy to get depressed in this game because we see only a small portion of what is really happening. When I get more I am amazed–amazed at how far off the mark big media is.

    There is alot more going on than meets the eye, and while I appreciate the fact that Obama has promised us a new heaven and a new earth–which we will hold him to, the fact is human nature has not changed that much in the last four thousand years.

  177. wbboei Says:
    December 23rd, 2008 at 12:02 am

    I used to think it was an anomoly of trial practice that the jury never gets to see some and sometimes alot of the relevant evidence. It is kept out of evidence through various motions and objections. If the jury saw the entire picture they might well decide differnently.
    ************
    One the other hand there needs to be counter balances to the power of the State. The average person with limited financial resources is SOL against the DA, crime lab and PD. Especially when the state witnesses are “testilying and the crime lab is doing “sink” tests.

  178. wbboei,

    Hey, maybe we should start promoting Paris Hilton for Hillary’s seat right now!
    ———————————–
    turndown. I was hoping you would say that. Perhaps we could offer to manage her campaign. In that case we will have to keep enough cash on hand to meet bail requirements. Her last soiree behind bars was only a debut.

  179. One the other hand there needs to be counter balances to the power of the State. The average person with limited financial resources is SOL against the DA, crime lab and PD. Especially when the state witnesses are “testilying and the crime lab is doing “sink” tests
    ————————————
    SHV: absolutley right. Absolutely.

  180. # wbboei Says:
    December 23rd, 2008 at 12:19 am
    One the other hand there needs to be counter balances to the power of the State. The average person with limited financial resources is SOL against the DA, crime lab and PD. Especially when the state witnesses are “testilying and the crime lab is doing “sink” tests
    ————————————
    SHV: absolutley right. Absolutely.
    *************
    A real “eye opener” is the Innocence Project. The are two common threads that run through the trials of these innocent people. 75% of the convictions had prosecutorial misconduct and 75% had eye witness testimony that was faulty. A third commonality is that the DA offices fight like hell to prevent DNA testing that might prove a convicted person innocent.

  181. SHV: I gather from your response that you have done criminal defense work. Assuming that is correct I have a question for you.

    There was a conservative legal group called The Federalist Society who opposed the Miranda decision and wanted it abolished.

    They pointed out that the original purpose of the rule was to ensure that any confession rendered by a defendant held in custodial interrogation was voluntary.

    They argued that the mere recitation of a formulaic mantra was insufficient to guarantee voluntariness. The police could say the words and still coerce the defendant.

    Consequently they advocated video taping all custodial interrogations and letting the judge review the tape in camera. In lieu of Miranda.

    Any thoughts on that subject from a defense lawyers perspective?

  182. A real “eye opener” is the Innocence Project. The are two common threads that run through the trials of these innocent people. 75% of the convictions had prosecutorial misconduct and 75% had eye witness testimony that was faulty. A third commonality is that the DA offices fight like hell to prevent DNA testing that might prove a convicted person innocent.
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    An eye opener alright. With respect to prosecutorial misconduct, did they indicate how much of that 75% was harmless error and how much was outcome determinative. Same question about eye witness testimony, which we all know is notoriously faulty. The one I find most unconscionable however is the rejection of DNA evidence. The role of a prosecutor is to convict the guilty not the innocent. I can think of no principled objection to DNA evidence properly obtained, tested, chain of custody, etc. Can you?

  183. IANAL..just a retired MD. Calling the Federalist Society conservative is like calling Bird Flu a cold. If “They argued that the mere recitation of a formulaic mantra was insufficient to guarantee voluntariness. The police could say the words and still coerce the defendant.” … I don’t think anyone would argue that reciting a “formulaic mantra” is an undo burden on police…If they believe what they say, then why do they even care? If the Federalist Society wants it abolished, then Miranda must have more value for a defendant that I would have thought.

    Kind of a funny story.
    I was on jury duty for six months last year. My number was not drawn for at least two month. Finally I get selected for a Cap. Murder case. Since I had never gone through voir dire, neither the DA or the public defenders office had anything on me. After a few questions about me, the young female defense atty. asked If I thought it was possible for an innocent man to be convicted of a crime. Another nice smile..”and how do you think that might happen” and I answered, “well, the last time that I looked, over 200 people have been released from death row or from long term incarceration by DNA evidence and over 75% of those trials involved Prosecutorial misconduct. Well the young defense atty. who asked that question nearly sh*t her pants and stammered that this DA’s office would do that. Maybe she was afraid that the judge would feel that she had contaminated the jury pool. The DA excused me from the jury. The times after that, when my number was drawn, I was excused by the DA.

  184. wbboei,

    Hey, maybe we should start promoting Paris Hilton for Hillary’s seat right now!
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    turndown. I was hoping you would say that. Perhaps we could offer to manage her campaign. In that case we will have to keep enough cash on hand to meet bail requirements. Her last soiree behind bars was only a debut
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    I am starting to see the possibilities here. So what if Paris happens to be behind bars when she files for the senate position.

    The Kennedy clan is in no position to object. Years ago Boston mayor Curley won his election from behind bars. And a Kennedy relation Honey Fitz was no stranger to the hoosegow.

    We could get the news reporters to bring the cameras and questions into jail and interview our candidate to their hearts content.

    When Caroline realized what a coup Paris has pulled I suspect she commit some felony of her own and get herself locked up too.

  185. The police could say the words and still coerce the defendant.” … I don’t think anyone would argue that reciting a “formulaic mantra” is an undo burden on police…If they believe what they say, then why do they even care? If the Federalist Society wants it abolished, then Miranda must have more value for a defendant that I would have thought.
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    Bear in mind these are anti statist people. They dont think the Miranda rule goes far enough. They want to whole damn thing on video tape, and the judge reviewing it frame by frame and deternining by the totality of the evidence whether the confession was valid. They think the police have learned a way around Miranda and that is what they were worried about. They want the whole damned confession thown out if there is evidence of coersion, and look beyond mere words. The kind of conservative we are talking about here is not on the side of the government–he is paranoid of the government.

  186. The role of a prosecutor is to convict the guilty not the innocent. I can think of no principled objection to DNA evidence properly obtained, tested, chain of custody, etc. Can you?
    *************
    I think the pressure on the DAs it to win at any cost.
    ******************
    They want the whole damned confession thown out if there is evidence of coersion, and look beyond mere words.
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    I think that video taping is probably a good idea; more to protect the police…in the same manner that police stops are frequently taped. I think the best way to avoid “funny business” by the police or DAs, is to hold them accountable if they are caught. As an example, Mike Nifong spent one day in jail and lost his license for his misconduct. He should have been charged with a felony. And then there is the FBI agent who obtained a confession from an Egyptian businessman in NY following 9/11. He had the business man confess to being part of the “plot”. He obtained the signed confession by telling the man that the FBI would call the Egyptian secrete police and have his wife and daughters tortured and killed. I don’t think the FBI agent suffered any serious consequences for his behavior.

  187. Well the young defense atty. who asked that question nearly sh*t her pants and stammered that this DA’s office would do that. Maybe she was afraid that the judge would feel that she had contaminated the jury pool. The DA excused me from the jury.
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    Your response was a good one. Her response was pretty stupid. It did contaminate the jury pool. Absent her response your statement was fine. It is not subject to challenge for cause.

    If I were the prosecutor I believe I might have kept you on the jury. If I believed my evidence would convince you then I believe you could convince your fellow jurors.

    From a tactical standpoint, I would have agreed with you that innocent people should never be convicted and if exculpatory facts later emerge then it is the duty of my office to act on them.

    But then I ask you to confirm that if I could prove to you beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant committed the crime that you would render a guilty verdict and guage your reaction.

    One of the great trial lawyers of New York in the 1900s was Max Steuer. He was asked whether he could ever be a prosecutor and he said no. They love the taste of blood. He was right.

  188. the FBI agent who obtained a confession from an Egyptian businessman in NY following 9/11. He had the business man confess to being part of the “plot”. He obtained the signed confession by telling the man that the FBI would call the Egyptian secrete police and have his wife and daughters tortured and killed. I don’t think the FBI agent suffered any serious consequences for his behavior.
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    SHV: you have identified the flaw in the argument posited by the Federalist Society. They can put the defendant on tape confessing to what he has done and a judge can review it to determine whether it is voluntary. But the antecedent conversations which led to the confession will not be on tape and that is where the coercion can still occur. The answer we are left with then is the obvious one: throw out all confessions obtained during custodial interrogation unless counsel was present.

  189. The Federalist would say I want everything on tape from the moment custodial began to the end. Not just the confession. In your hypothetical that would include the antecedent threats to the Egyptian businessman. It would be obvious to a judge that his confession was not voluntary and would be thrown out for that reason.

  190. wbboei, shv,

    Having a lawyer present during questioning wouldn’t keep the police from making threats before the questioning.

    I tend to sympathize with these Federalists about taping the whole of a confinement. But that doesn’t mean government should stay out of health care, for example.

  191. Clinton Moves to Widen Role of State Dept.

    By MARK LANDLER and HELENE COOPER
    Published: December 22, 2008

    WASHINGTON — Even before taking office, Hillary Rodham Clinton is seeking to build a more powerful State Department, with a bigger budget, high-profile special envoys to trouble spots and an expanded role in dealing with global economic issues at a time of crisis.

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    Mrs. Clinton is recruiting Jacob J. Lew, the budget director under President Bill Clinton, as one of two deputies, according to people close to the Obama transition team. Mr. Lew’s focus, they said, will be on increasing the share of financing that goes to the diplomatic corps. He and James B. Steinberg, a deputy national security adviser in the Clinton administration, are to be Mrs. Clinton’s chief lieutenants.

    Nominations of deputy secretaries, like Mrs. Clinton’s, would be subject to confirmation by the Senate.

    The incoming administration is also likely to name several envoys, officials said, reviving a practice of the Clinton administration, when Richard C. Holbrooke, Dennis Ross and other diplomats played a central role in mediating disputes in the Balkans and the Middle East.

    As Mrs. Clinton puts together her senior team, officials said, she is also trying to carve out a bigger role for the State Department in economic affairs, where the Treasury has dominated during the Bush years. She has sought advice from Laura D’Andrea Tyson, an economist who headed Mr. Clinton’s Council of Economic Advisers.

    The steps seem intended to strengthen the role of diplomacy after a long stretch, particularly under Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, in which the Pentagon, the vice president’s office and even the intelligence agencies held considerable sway over American foreign policy.

    Given Mrs. Clinton’s prominence, expanding the department’s portfolio could bring on conflict with other powerful cabinet members.

    Mrs. Clinton and President-elect Barack Obama have not settled on specific envoys or missions, although Mr. Ross’s name has been mentioned as a possible Middle East envoy, as have those of Mr. Holbrooke and Martin Indyk, a former United States ambassador to Israel.

    The Bush administration has made relatively little use of special envoys. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has personally handled most peacemaking initiatives, which has meant a punishing schedule of Middle East missions, often with meager results.

    “There’s no question that there is a reinvention of the wheel here,” said Aaron David Miller, a public policy analyst at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. “But it’s geared not so much as a reaction to Bush as to a fairly astute analysis of what’s going to work in foreign policy.”

    With so many problems, including Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan, Mr. Miller said it made sense for the White House to farm out some of the diplomatic heavy lifting.

    In addition to the Middle East, one Democratic foreign policy adviser said, Mr. Holbrooke might be considered for an appointment as special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, and possibly Iran. The adviser said the decision had not been made.

    A transition official dismissed as “speculation” reports in Indian newspapers that Mr. Obama was considering appointing Mr. Clinton as a special envoy to deal with Kashmir issues.

    But another transition official confirmed that Mr. Obama’s foreign policy advisers were discussing the possibility of appointing a special envoy to India. Mr. Steinberg, who is the dean of the Lyndon B. Johnson School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas, would probably coordinate the work of any special envoys, the official said.

    The recruitment of Mr. Lew — for a position that was not filled in the Bush administration — suggests that Mrs. Clinton is determined to win a larger share of financial resources for the department. A well-connected figure who was once an aide to Speaker Thomas P. O’Neill, Mr. Lew now works for Citigroup in a unit that oversees hedge funds.

    “If we’re going to re-establish diplomacy as the critical tool in America’s arsenal,” a senior transition official said, “you need someone who can work both the budget and management side. He has very strong relations on the Hill; he knows the inner workings of how to manage a big enterprise.”

    The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the discussions were private, said Mrs. Clinton was being supported in her push for more resources by Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Mr. Obama’s incoming national security adviser, Gen. James L. Jones Jr.

    For years, some Pentagon officials have complained that jobs like the economic reconstruction in Afghanistan and Iraq have been added to the military’s burden when they could have been handled by a robust Foreign Service.

    “The Pentagon would like to turn functionality over to civilian resources, but the resources are not there,” the official said. “We’re looking to have a State Department that has what it needs.”

    Mrs. Clinton’s push for a more vigorous economic team, one of her advisers said, stems from her conviction that the State Department needs to play a part in the recovery from the global financial crisis. Economic issues also underpin some of the most important diplomatic relationships, notably with China.

    In recent years, the Treasury Department, led by Henry M. Paulson Jr., has dominated policy toward China. Mr. Paulson leads a “strategic economic dialogue” with China that involves several agencies. It is not yet clear who will pick up that role in the Obama administration, although Vice President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. is frequently mentioned as a possibility.

    More Articles in US » A version of this article appeared in print on December 23, 2008, on page A20 of the New York edition.

  192. The above article reflects what I believed and dare hoped would happen namely that Hillary would expand the role of the state department, and it would assume a role in the world economic arena and she would work through envoys and she would get support from both treasury and defense and dennis ross would be in there. But Biden to deal with China??? I guess he could ride the orient express, I assume they have a club car, but I havent the foggiest what he would do when he finally got there. Also this explains the sullen article by that disgusting hampster Johnathan Alter–all except the aww shit I thought we were through with the Clintons, etc.

  193. Perhaps you saw that Hillary wrote of 13.2 million dollar personal loan she made to the campaign. Apropos of what we were saying earlier.

  194. In recent years, the Treasury Department, led by Henry M. Paulson Jr., has dominated policy toward China. Mr. Paulson leads a “strategic economic dialogue” with China that involves several agencies.
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    Paulson has got to be one of the most incompetent people in government, with the obvious exception of his boss. This explains why we are in such great shape vis s vis China.

  195. wbboei, emjay, blue….

    I used the International Herald Tribune (Global NYT) version at
    midstreamnews.blogspot.com/2008/12/intnl-ht-clinton-moves-to-bolster-role.html

    It was a little more compactly informative than the version wbboei posted. Interesting to compare these articles with Alter’s.

    Looks like things are shaping up as wbboei said a while back. Also, someone (wbboei, Summers?) said that at this point the USA economy can best be cured by curing the world economy.

  196. wbboei

    a promising peek into what HRC’s state department might be. also, have to laugh regarding the reference to biden-goes-to-china..you’ve got to be kidding. i am picturing one of those “road to beijing” movies ala bob hope and dorthy lamour.

  197. have you all seen the lovely new beach pick of obama? well how about the one of m-ISH-el ???? LMAO!!!!!!!!

    well….. let’s start with hair is wrapped up in a ugly long blue scarf, followed by a one piece black suit which is followed up by a bright ornge/yellow beach towel around the waste ……and the kicker!! as she is walking down the beach she is shovelling
    something in her mouth LMAO!!!

    it’s up on drudge now and here is the link to the article where he found it.

    da il y m a i l . c o . u k / n ews/article-1100584/Commander-briefs-Obama-shows-war-chest-holiday-Hawaii.html

  198. djia Says:

    December 23rd, 2008 at 10:00 am
    now thats “FASHION PRINCESS” SOOOOOOOOOOOO Jackie kennedy like LMAO!!!

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    Not the best picture of anyone, especially a future first lady. JK must be turning over in her grave.

  199. As I posted last week, Alter is a Ill native and bashed Bill and Hillary on Olberman the entire primary(who didn’t?). He also seems to have gone from having a “head of hair” to being conspicuously bald now..That whole group of Fineman, Alter, Shuster, Mathews, Olberman, Madow, etc., where in the tank from day one….they are all, with the exception of the vevemous Mathews, trying to tone their Clinton hate down as they realize she will be the 2nd most powerful person on earth….I hope Bill and Hillary talk to their good friend Ed Rendell when Mathews runs for senator of PA and that Rendell does the bare necessity to support this disgusting human being.

  200. Wow- when I think about Big Pink, we’ve been at it quite a while. I must have been one of the first dozen or so Charter members of The Pink Club. met some wonderful people. I miss Okie, I wish she would come back and play with us now that most of the trolls have retired back to the ether.

    wbboei Says:
    December 22nd, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    “things are seldom what they seem. In fact the opposite is true. She and Bill are thinking two moves ahead. Remember the senate is a seniority based system and she would not have a voice. Also the washington dc press corp is sycopathic toward her. Where she is going she has the key leadership position, a team of her own choice, solveable problems, a world that appreciates her and a foreign press that is not corrupt. I would say the canary has flown from the cage they tried to put her in. With the corrupt self serving press corp we have in this country the truth seldom gets out, but it was fourth down and we were out of time outs and she made it happen–leaders do that. And part of the art is the art of desguising the art so that most people do not know how it happend. What they do with the New York Senate seat is not her problem. If the governor caves in to a power play his days are numbered”

    Absolutely, wbboei

    I was all in for Hillary taking the SOS position. She finally has the freedom to fly unhindered by an intrusive media creating another chapter in her diverse repertoire of accomplishments. Hillary has made fast friends internationally throughout her WH years. Representing Bill’s legacy of peace and prosperity isn’t too shabby an olive branch of Trust for openers dealing with foreign leaders.

  201. I agree that for the Gov of NY the former Mayor of NYC would probably help his re-election hope; whereas the CKS nomination might make if a rough election for him.

    Which would you pick. O has promised things to the others (help with election expenses, etc), and not followed through, so I think you have to be very careful that when dealing with this man, not only are his promises weak, but he throws you under the bus in an instant. I would bet on a less risky situation.

  202. Here goes our Hillary…exactly the way wbboei imagined her handling her new responsibilities…

    From the early am edition of NYT

    WASHINGTON (AFP) – Hillary Rodham Clinton plans to build a more muscular US State Department, with a bigger budget, high-profile special envoys dispatched to trouble spots and an expanded role in dealing with the global economic crisis, the New York Times reported Tuesday.

    The Times cited an unnamed Hillary Clinton adviser as saying her push for a more vigorous economic team stems from her belief that the State Department needs to play a part in the recovery from the global financial crisis, while economic issues also are at the heart of key diplomatic relationships, notably with China.

    The former first lady also is reportedly likely to name several high-powered envoys to world hotspots.

    The daily reported that Clinton and Obama have not yet settled on specific envoys or missions, although the name of veteran diplomat Dennis Ross has come up as a possible Middle East envoy, along with diplomatic trouble-shooter Richard Holbrooke and Martin Indyk, a former United States ambassador to Israel.

    The Times wrote that the New York senator — President-elect Barack Obama’s pick for Secretary of State — is recruiting Jacob Lew, the budget director under her husband former president Bill Clinton — to be one of her two deputies. Lew would be tasked with handling economic matters, the report said.

    Another Bill Clinton aide, former deputy national security adviser James Steinberg is to be Hillary Clinton’s other chief lieutenant, subject to Senate confirmation.
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    You go girl!

  203. I just left CVS as “Essence Magazine” had two issues prominently displayed with King and Queen “O” on each one separately. Just ruined my lunch as well.

  204. jbstonesfan

    eeewwwwwwww for the magazines –

    Pepto B for your tummy.

    Stay away from all newsstands for the next 5 weeks.

  205. Alcinda: biden-goes-to-china..you’ve got to be kidding. i am picturing one of those “road to beijing” movies ala bob hope and dorthy lamour.
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    Very good! His serial gaffs as he toured made his way through China would be better than Bob Hopes Jokes. I think we need a theme song for this movie. How about this:

    A VERY SLOW BOAT TO CHINA

    I could see Biden
    On a slow boat to China,
    Like a Marco Polo clone.
    Get him and keep him,
    In the rum evermore
    Until they landed
    On a faraway shore.
    Out on the briny
    With the moon big and shinny,
    Kissing the blarney stone.
    Yes, I could see Biden
    On a slow boat to China,
    All to himself alone

    Question: what would he do after he got there and after toasting the Forbidden City 25 times? What would he do for an encore.

    ABM 90: Would Les Brown and Doris Day touch this one? Or must we look elsewhere.

  206. turndown and wbboei

    and so it is finally starting – maybe change will, by economic necessity, come to other news organizations as well:
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    Washingtonpost.com Editor To Step Down Next Month

    By Zachary A. Goldfarb
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Tuesday, December 23, 2008; Page D01

    Jim Brady is stepping down as executive editor of washingtonpost.com after four years, the latest in a series of management changes at the top of a media company trying to revamp its operations to meet the needs of the digital age.

    As top editor of the Web site, Brady helped the Washington Post bring its journalism online through video, blogs, discussions, interactive graphics and other features. Traffic to the site increased from 7 million to 13 million unique monthly visitors during his tenure, becoming the second-most-visited newspaper site.

    The move comes as the Post looks to integrate its print and online newsrooms. The online newsroom, located in Arlington, and the print newsroom, located in downtown D.C., were for many years separate units. The newsrooms had different cultures and reported independently to the company’s top management.

    Earlier this year, executives and editors concluded that bringing the units together would foster closer collaboration between the newspaper and the Web site. The units were merged into Washington Post Media, which is run by new publisher Katharine Weymouth.
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    Weymouth tapped former Wall Street Journal editor Marcus Brauchli as executive editor of the Post, with responsibility for the Web site and newspaper. That put a layer of editorial control above Brady. Questions remain about how else the newsrooms will merge apart from the most senior positions.

    In an interview yesterday, Brady said he agreed with the new strategy but that separate newsrooms had made sense. “There was a nice checks-and-balances where we could push the paper into things they wouldn’t have done on their own,” he said.

    “As we look at bringing the newsrooms together, I think everybody’s role is going to change, including mine,” he added. “Some of the independence I’ve had before is going to go away in an integrated newsroom.”

    Brady said this new role didn’t fit him perfectly and he felt, after some time off, he wanted to look for other Internet opportunities inside or outside journalism.

    Brady’s resignation will take effect after the presidential inauguration, and Brauchli said he hopes to name a replacement by that time. Brauchli said Brady’s decision to leave was a loss but that an ongoing review about how the Web site can best serve its readers through high-quality journalism, strong navigation and a lively Web site aimed at readers who care about Washington would continue.

    “Not having his knowledge and expertise will make this process a little more complicated,” Brauchli said. “But we should be fine.”
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    And maybe with a new publisher and new executive editor, the grey lady will begin to serve its readers once again?

    We probably shouldn’t hold our collective breath.

  207. Regarding Governor Patterson and the threats and inducements Bambi clones may direct his way to get him to pick the princess, they could say we will primary you but who has Bambi got to run against him? He can offer money but that has not been his sticht. The main thing he can offer is an important job in the White House. But that would not be a line job with executive responsibilities. It would be a staff job which would be high paid but advisory. They aint the same. He is governor now and wants to remain governor. The only way they can force him to do otherwise is if they have dirt on him. Sure as the earth turns the Chicago group is digging.

  208. turndown and wbboei

    and so it is finally starting – maybe change will, by economic necessity, come to other news organizations as well:
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    Emjay: we can always hope for that. I am more concerned about content than reverse engineering their business plan. More distressed with the petty biases and incestutous culture that produces narratives that shade and distort the truth. Reverse engineering, integration and other profit centered strategies may save the business but not their soul. If I could see some bright spots, some Zolas in their ranks or in those of their blog component Politico I would be more sanguine. But as you say we can hope and you are much better at seeing the possibilities here than I am. After the shameful way they treated Hillary I am too blinded by my own prejudices and am inclined to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

  209. wbboei: I think BHO will have visit taste and toast then move on list for old Joe to follow.Keep him moving and keep him thirsty.

    By ABM90 It will make Hillarys job easier if he only calls on the
    fourth world nations.

  210. ABM 90: I like him better in the role of ambassador at large to the fourth world than as czar, or in his case tsar of working families. As for his choice of what to imbibe to quench that unquenchable thirst, since the water purity in China is a serious problem and bottled water costs a fortune, what choice does he have. That argument works fine as long as he stays in China, but when he moves to venues where fresh water is available it does not work as well.

  211. wbboei said: I would say the canary has flown from the cage they tried to put her in.
    =================

    But now what will the Gnomes of Soros do, and the rest of the International Financial Conspiracy?

  212. wbboei Says:
    ABM 90: I like him better in the role of ambassador at large to the fourth world than as czar, or in his case tsar of working families.
    ==================

    I stand silenced, dumbfounded, uneducated.

  213. turndown and wbboei

    Add to current trusted list of jouralists, ie.,

    John Kass.

    Her name is Helene Cooper.

    We need to keep at this list…

  214. “Move on…Nothing to see here, folks”

    WASHINGTON (CNN) — Vice President-elect Joseph Biden said Tuesday an internal report will show that neither President-elect Barack Obama nor his aides had inappropriate contacts with embattled Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

    .com/2008/POLITICS/12/23/obama.gov.report/index.html

  215. Forgot to mention Lynn Sweet, Craig Crawford.

    (Joe Scarboro is in moderation for a while longer with me.)

    Turndownobama…can we add a “trusted journalists” list somewhere on Midstream News”?

  216. Emjay Says:
    December 23rd, 2008 at 2:22 pm
    Forgot to mention Lynn Sweet, Craig Crawford.

    (Joe Scarboro is in moderation for a while longer with me.)

    Turndownobama…can we add a “trusted journalists” list somewhere on Midstream News”?

    =====================

    Well, at least a Saluted Journalist list. 🙂 Or ‘Journalists worth watching’ or soemthing like that.

    There’s a feature for adding a text box on the sidebar with any text or links we want. Or you might start your own blog and we could link to each others. That might bring in more readers. Yours could range further afield, wider focus.

  217. SHV, yes, Thanks Mr. Biden for telling us that the Obama insiders have looked, vewwy, vewwy hard, evwy nook and cwanny: “Golly, we found nuthin’. Obama is pure as the driven snow.”

    RGB Times to break story tomorrow:

    Given that there is a distinct possibility for conflict of interest, and lack of credibility for people connected with an administration (in office or in transition) to be investigatin itself, PEBO will announce tomorrow that his wife Michelle Obama, an attorney, will conduct an independent investigation, according to an anonymous source with PEBO’s administration (whose name is Sam Wilson).

    BO will also announce that Michelle will not find any evidence of wrong-doing, and that the initial self-investigation was ‘thorough, complete, and the end of the story’.

    MO is to announce that the investigation will find that “this is the smoothest and fastest transition ever”, and that “Barack Obama will request a bill for the planning and funding for a fifth head of ‘some unnamed president’ to be carved into Mt. Rushmore”; MO will not divulge if the president has to be deceased, or even a “great president”, or even has to have completed his term, or even has to have started it.

  218. emjay,

    I’ve added a Recommended Journalist feature. See sidebar.

    Computer very slow, may conk out. I’ll polish it later.

  219. rgb44hrc Says:

    December 23rd, 2008 at 2:56 pm
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    very funny. good wit.

  220. Very happy to read that N.Y. Times article on what Hillary is doing to the State Department. We here all knew she’d be a kick-ass SoS!

    BTW, I read on HillBuzz that CK isn’t releasing any of her financial info (there was no link given but it’s apparently in the N.Y. Times). Kennedys get to make their own rules, I guess.

  221. Older comment, but today is first time I saw it:

    # alcina Says:
    December 20th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    henry

    who was it that said “politics is hollywood for ugly people”??
    (hillary clinton the exception, of course)
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    [from Wonkette, of whom I am not fond]
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    Helpfully, someone with minimal (or at least free) research skills was able to trace it to a 1999 Paul Begala column. We put the massive resources of the Gawker Media Empire to work and our shared Nexis account came up with a

    citation from 1995, a citation which

    seems to indicate that even then, it was an old joke. From, er, the first issue of “George” magazine (September 30, 1995):

    George tries to present politics in the glossy way in which Vanity Fair, Esquire and their ilk present the worlds of fashion and entertainment. The people in those worlds strive to be charming and beautiful.

    Washington? As one comedian has put it,

    Washington is a Hollywood for ugly people.

    We may never get to the bottom of who said it first, but if we see that phrase cited as proof of anyone’s original wit, we will make that person listen to Paul Harvey segments ’til that person’s head explodes.

    One thing we can all agree on? Washingtonians are ugly.

    Wonkette

  222. Hillary is thinking of all of us when she writes:

    I couldn’t let this holiday season pass by without taking the time to thank you for all the wonderful support you’ve given me. I’ve received so many kind messages in the last few weeks, and I can’t tell you how much your friendship means to me.

    As I celebrate the holidays with my family, I’ll be thinking about all our wonderful memories from the past year. I hope you’ll take the time to remember all the things we accomplished together and all the lives we touched.

    I know that I am forever changed because of the journey you and I shared. It goes without saying that we have a lot to look forward to in the coming year. Even in the midst of great challenges here at home and around the world, we know change is coming and there is reason to have hope for a brighter future.

    Thank you so much for everything, and I hope you have a very happy holiday season!

    Sincerely,

    Hillary Clinton

  223. Paula Says:

    December 23rd, 2008 at 3:39 pm
    Very happy to read that N.Y. Times article on what Hillary is doing to the State Department. We here all knew she’d be a kick-ass SoS!

    BTW, I read on HillBuzz that CK isn’t releasing any of her financial info (there was no link given but it’s apparently in the N.Y. Times). Kennedys get to make their own rules, I guess.

    ——————————————————————————————————

    Why does CK get a pass on reporting her financial information? We all know, that she is worth millions and millions of dollars. What happened to transparency in government? BO has been spouting this for months, except when it comes to him and his allies.

  224. I watched a Whoopee Goldberg interview on CNN last Sunday morning. She told Howard Kurtz on Reliable Sources that people just don’t understand where Wright is coming from, what he has gone through and why he is angry. She also made excuses when asked whether McCain’s interview was more hardball than Obama’s was. Her excuse there was that Obama was interviewed during the primaries and if he had come back after he had won, they would have been harder on him.

    I am so tired of the whitewashing going on by celebrities, journalists, et al that I used to respect. It is so sad.

  225. NOW PLAYING, DISNEY’S “EVER CHANGING STORY”, about a boy who arrives in the big city, alone, scared, naive, innocent, with mean scary people trying to sell the “seat” he rode on in the Big Bus called Senate Charters. Touching. Poignant. Bullshit.
    &&&

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081223/ap_on_go_pr_wh/illinois_governor_obama

    Obama adviser had talks with governor and aides
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    WASHINGTON – An internal review prepared for President-elect Barack Obama says his incoming chief of staff had multiple conversations with Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich’s office, but no one close to Obama suspected that the governor might be trying to sell Obama’s Senate seat as prosecutors allege.

    The report was released Tuesday as an Obama transition official confirmed that Obama and two of his top aides, Rahm Emanuel and Valerie Jarrett, have been interviewed in connection with the federal investigation into Blagojevich.

    Incoming White House attorney Greg Craig, who conducted the internal review at Obama’s request, found that the president-elect had no contact with Blagojevich or any of his staff about the Senate seat he vacated to take over the presidency.
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    So lemme get this straight. Now, there was someone, at least one, person, who did talk with Gov. Blowdry. This contradicts earlier iron-clad statements. But not to worry, no one suspected said Guv was trying to “sell” the Senate seat.

    BO: “We had no idea he was actually trying to sell the seat. We thought it was for the standard things: influence, favors, a future position. Nothing out of the ordinary.”

  226. wbboei

    I am sorta worried.

    Did you get out your cleats and relearn the tight ceremonial march step?

    It sounds like out there is very much like here just before the caucuses last year and the weather here until last midnight.

    Stay safe, and practice your best stuntman moves.

    Worst NW winter storm in 25 years.

    Indeed.

    Keep us informed.

  227. wbboei, I was just about to post that, lol.
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    Sorry Paula. Did not mean to jump ahead of you.
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    I watched a Whoopee Goldberg interview on CNN last Sunday morning. She told Howard Kurtz on Reliable Sources that people just don’t understand where Wright is coming from, what he has gone through and why he is angry.
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    I have no objection to Whoopee since she supported Hillary. But as you say Jan the logic here is flawed–and you see it so often. Everyone in this world is understood and misunderstood at some level. And since most of us are not practicing psychiatrists we tend to form our judgments based on the plain meaning of what people say. When Reverend Wright incites racial hatred for fun and profit I am not really interested in his motives, reasons, or excuses.

  228. ….continued from previous.

    Incoming White House attorney Greg Craig, who conducted the internal review at Obama’s request, found that the president-elect had no contact with Blagojevich or any of his staff about the Senate seat he vacated to take over the presidency.
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    So Craig says PEBO “had no contact” w/ Blago….yadda yadda.

    Of course he’s not going to be directly on the phone, or meet the Gov. at some diner.
    Of course it’s going to be handled “discreetly”, with others acting as proxies.
    Of course, Obama would say, “Let me know when I have to walk out of the room”.

    The people who killed Kennedy weren’t the ones pointing guns that day. You outsource this to keep yourself out of the loop, to hide your tracks. But conspiracy is a crime in itself, and conspirators and planners are just as guilty as those who carry out the dirty deeds.

    The Obama Administration is just as much a Favor Swap as the Bush Administration. And both came in promising “transparency”, and “change”. Hah!

  229. Here’s the latest the AP has on Obama, Emanuel, etc.

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081223/ap_on_go_pr_wh/illinois_governor_obama

  230. Thanks emjay. Things are fine here as long as you stay off the side roads. We have alot of snow, no snow removal equipment, no salt and a mayor who subscribes to the let it melt philosophy of another great mayor Marion Berry. Someone needs to inform him that this is a town of hills and more snow is coming. But that is nothing compared to the permafrost between his ears.

  231. Incoming White House attorney Greg Craig, who conducted the internal review at Obama’s request, found that the president-elect had no contact with Blagojevich or any of his staff about the Senate seat he vacated to take over the presidency.
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    Craig is not in a position to warrant that there were no contacts. He is relying on what people told him. The most he can say is he found no evidence of contacts and that begs the futher question of how hard did he look. I speak from experience. Based on the way he turned on Hillary, Craig’s own bona fides are suspect at best.

  232. Not sure if this has been posted yet, but CBS News is reporting:

    Caroline Kennedy Education Record Disputed:

    By Glenn Thrush
    Copyright 2008 POLITICO

    Dec. 23, 2008

    During the two years Caroline Kennedy worked as a fundraiser and goodwill ambassador for New York City schools Chancellor Joel Klein, co-workers would frequently drift by her workspace for a glimpse of the department’s most famous $1-a-year employee.

    As often as not, they were greeted by an empty chair.

    “I’d get it all the time – ‘Why isn’t Caroline at her desk?’” said a person who worked closely with Kennedy, who ran the Department of Education division that oversaw public-private partnerships from 2002 to 2004.

    “But that missed the point. She didn’t need to be sitting at a desk,” the person added.

    “She kept in touch every single day, by phone, by e-mail or sometimes in person… Or she was out in the field visiting schools.”

    A passionate commitment to public education is one of Kennedy’s three main selling points in her bid to win appointment to Hillary Rodham Clinton’s soon-to-be-vacated Senate seat, along with her platinum pedigree and a reputation for above-the-fray rectitude.

    Yet because she has taken so few public positions, her education record – or what passes for it – has become just about the only public policy issue on which the 51-year-old political rookie can be judged.

    The problem is, she hardly left a vapor trail.

    Kennedy, who sent her three children to one of Manhattan’s most exclusive private schools, sat out the epic legal battle to secure billions in state funding for low-income students, and played an ambiguous role during her 22 months as the only city educational bureaucrat routinely harassed by the paparazzi.

    Nevertheless, Klein says Kennedy’s education experience has prepared her “for the big leagues” of the U.S. Senate and describes her as a “highly focused, efficient and hands-on” fundraiser who helped rake in more than $200 million in private-sector contributions for city schools.

    “Caroline took over an office that previously oversaw donations to PTAs and alumni associations and recreated it around a model of a public-private partnership,” Klein wrote in an op-ed published Friday.

    “The model she created in New York City has led to similar efforts in other school districts across America.”

    But several people who worked with Kennedy during her department service take a markedly less grandiose view of her accomplishments.

    They say the 51-year-old lawyer and author, while a dedicated advocate for the schools, was less a traditional fundraiser than a highly credible department spokeswoman who used her name to keep big-money donors from fleeing the cash-strapped system.

    “She brought us a lot of visibility,” said a person who worked directly with Kennedy, speaking on condition of anonymity. “There was not a lot of fundraising by her personally, but there was a lot of strategizing – ‘Here’s what this organization might do for us,’ – that kind of thing… Her main task was helping to rebuild the credibility of the school system, not directly raising money.”

    One business executive familiar with her efforts said that Kennedy provided “star power, not fundraising muscle.”

    Kennedy arrived at the Department of Education in 2002, at the behest of Klein and his wife Nicole Seligman, who ran into her at a party in Martha’s Vineyard, according to press accounts. She was eager to learn about the sprawling system, visiting dozens of schools throughout the city, often riding out by subway, in an effort to boost morale and gauge students’ needs.

    Those trips shaped her agenda, associates say: She became especially concerned with the lack of arts funding and began to pressure some donors to direct their contributions to underfunded arts and music programs.

    Kennedy’s level of involvement increased the star-wattage of events. She played a cenral role organizing a Sept. 2003 charitable concert headlined by folk-rocker Dave Matthews and a June 2004 “tag sale” fundraiser with actress Sarah Jessica Parker.

    Still, she averaged about only about three hours in the office every day, according to news accounts, and it wasn’t entirely clear what she did the rest of the time. By mid-2004, she was ready to throw herself into a book tour.

    When she left, the New York Times wrote: “For months after she started, even some high-level education officials said they were not quite sure what she did. In an interview about eight months into her tenure, she would not say how often she worked at the department headquarters or how many hours she spent on the job, saying only, ‘I put in as much time as I can.'”

    Kennedy did some direct fundraising, but left the bulk of that work to Klein and several lieutenants, including Leslie Koch, now a city development official, according to a person who worked with her.

    In addition, many corporate donors had already been lined up before Kennedy walked through the door, many of them by New York Partnership chief Kathryn Wylde, who personally collected more than $30 million for a leadership academy for principals.

    When Klein, speaking to the Times, credited Kennedy with securing $51 million from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation for small schools, Wayne Barrett of the Village Voice tracked down officials who claimed the grant was actually set up by Klein deputy Michelle Cahill.

    Tom Vander Ark, former education director for the Gates Foundation, told Barrett that Kennedy “didn’t have anything to do” with obtaining the $51 million.

    If opinions differ on Kennedy’s role as an administrator, her positions on several major education issues have proven even harder to nail down.

    On Saturday, Kennedy spokesman Stefan Friedman issued her first public statement on education issues, in a brief e-mailed response to several Politico questions.

    In it, Kennedy made clear she supported Bloomberg’s effort, spearheaded by Klein, to centralize the city’s education bureaucracy under the direct control of City Hall.

    But she stuck to a middle-of-the-road path on other controversial topics, including the ongoing battle over charter schools, publicly-funded institutions that are run by non-governmental groups.

    Many unions oppose charters, believing they siphon off public school resources and depress teacher salaries by paying instructors less than their public-school counterparts.

    “She supports charter schools, using government money for charters and the right of teachers to organize at charters if they choose,” spokesman Stefan Friedman wrote.

    She also took a somewhat non-committal stance on the Campaign for Fiscal Equity lawsuit, which is expected to funnel billions of new state aid into city schools.

    The suit, which was settled several years ago, was unpopular with well-to-do districts in other parts of the state.

    “Caroline did not take a public position at the time on CFE, but supports fair funding for New York City schools,” Friedman wrote.

    Sarah Morgridge, a Harlem council aide who was part of the lawsuit coalition, praised Kennedy for her work – but questioned why she pursued millions from the companies but didn’t join efforts to pry billions from the state.

    “She got some of the icing, but other people baked the cake,” Morgridge joked.

    (This was on the CBS News Cite. Sorry but I can post links here).

  233. rgb…Thank you for your very funny post. I laughed out loud which is remarkable because I am in the depths of a depression.

    The news has been so unremittingly bad personally that I only noticed this morning that tomorrow is Christmas Eve.

    I would like to ask all of you about the CEO of AIG. He explains why he gave 168 HUGE bonuses to his execs on his way to 2000 bonuses by saying he “needs to retain the good people in the company.” Could someone tell me where 2000 people are going to find jobs at a time when they are hemorrhaging everywhere at multi-thousands a week? Why isn’t he asked this question? How preposterous is this excuse?

  234. OTOH, here is my Christmas wish for all of you. May you all have hope and holly in your hearts while you celebrate the holidays.

    A personal note of thanks to all of you who kept me informed, amused, cheered, and often inspired in this very difficult year. May you all be here in 2009 to keep up the good work.

    In the original version of “The Bishop’s Wife” it ends with David Niven’s sermon on a Christmas Stocking.
    He says we give everyone a present but one – the one whose birthday we celebrate. We should all put in our share to fill it with “Warm Hearts, Loving Kindness, and the outstretched hand of tolerance.”

    You have all given the first two in abundance and let us hope that, in spite of the heavy provocation, we can redouble our efforts on the third. 🙂

    Happy Holidays!

  235. Can someone also explain to me what the difference is between Blagojevich saying if I nominate your choice for Senate, I want a cabinet post or money for my reelection or whatever, and Obama saying to Richardson: If you support me, I’ll give you a cabinet post? Isn’t that the same thing? Eisenhower offered the VP to Earl Warren for his CA delegates. Warren wanted the Supreme Court but felt it was wrong to bargain for it. (One of the few politicians with real scruples)

    I have no idea what else Blagojevich did, but I have some doubts about the Senate seat. It is done so often that unless he asked for money in his pocket, I’m not sure it’s even unethical.

  236. emjay,

    No sign in is needed to post a comment on any entry. For the entry about journalists, the link is at the top left corner sidebar. I posted that link just now but of course it went to moderation.

  237. HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL the wonderful Hillfriends on this site…it has been such a pleasure to connect with all of you this year…and extra special kudos to ADMIN…this place has been an oasis in the desert filled with information and support…and COURAGE…

    I hope we can all join in our own hope for change and cheer for our girl…the next Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton…she is going to get her opportunity to go forward and change the world for the better…that’s change we can believe in…

    …here’s to Hillary…

  238. I also want to wish everyone a blessed Christmas and also a happy Hanuakah to those already celebrating that holiday. Have a safe and happy holiday everyone.

  239. I would also like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy Chanukah. May the holidays be peaceful, safe, and happy ones for all of you.

    & all the best to everyone in 2009.

  240. Can someone also explain to me what the difference is between Blagojevich saying if I nominate your choice for Senate, I want a cabinet post or money for my reelection or whatever, and Obama saying to Richardson: If you support me, I’ll give you a cabinet post? Isn’t that the same thing? Eisenhower offered the VP to Earl Warren for his CA delegates. Warren wanted the Supreme Court but felt it was wrong to bargain for it. (One of the few politicians with real scruples)
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    What the governor is being paid to do is different. The first case is illegal because the governor is being paid to exercise his offical duties in a manner specified by the payor, rather than in the best interests of the state he represents and the people who elected him. The second case is permissable because he is not compromising his offical duties and oath of office.

  241. Me too Wishing Admin happy holidays and for keeping this site for us,and all of you here and the rest who read here.

    Merry Christmas to all of you!!!!!!!!happy hanuakah!!!

    Oh yeah Hillary to if you stopped by…lol…..Merry Christmas Secetary of State…and Chelsea ,Bill.\She will be the best!!!

  242. I can just see Craig conducting the internal investigation.

    Question: good morning john doe glad to be on the transition team and hoping to land a permanent position/

    Answer: good morning

    Question: did you have any contact with Governor B? If you did you will be fired, imprisoned and subjected to a high teck lynching.

    Now that you understand the ramifications of your answer let me reprase the question: you didnt have any contacts with the governor whatsoever did you Mr. Doe? And before you and you need to know we take care of loyal peopl in this adminstation.

    Answer: no sir. Not even when I spoke to him, there was no contact. Is that what you want me to say.

    Question: I heard nothing after the words no sir/

  243. Enjoy the Holiday’s everyone. I is always a please to read and post here. Admin, thanks for keeping this place going.

  244. We’re taking off first thing in the morning. Still wrapping last minute items. I wanted to wish all of you a wonderful and Merry Christmas. Oh, I did find this a bit much.
    I hope this doesn’t end up in moderation too long.

    highbridgeaudio dot com/ familychristmas dot h t m l

  245. Was there not a photo dispersed by Hannity a few weeks back that showed Obama with Blago. It was a smiling piece of evidence that didn’t suggest that they were just talking about the weather.

    Obama is in this up to his ears. Follow the bread crumbs. This is just one in a zillion lies that has come from his and his protectors mouths.

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