Caroline Goes Plouffe

(1) The Caroline Kennedy power grab is running out of air due to the resistance from Hillary supporters and because of the stench fouling out from Chicago. Meanwhile, (2) the Obama campaign admits it was not the caucuses but rather a big election theft that robbed Hillary Clinton of the nomination. And (3) Pat Buchanan thinks its Special Prosecutor time too.

Pat Buchanan has an idea as to how to get a Special Prosecutor – make it a requirement for the Attorney General job. We think the pressure has to come from the Republicans NOW, while they still have some clout left in Washington, before the Chicago Culture Of Corruption grows its Hydra head in Washington. Here’s Pat Buchanan (and yes Pat is talking about Rahm’s and Obama’s talks with Blagojevich):

No one is yet convicted of anything. But if this scandal touches any member of Obama’s White House staff, who may have spoken with Blagojevich and listened to his solicitation of a bribe without reporting it, we are going to have a new special prosecutor in Washington, D.C.

Indeed, the U.S. Senate should probably make the confirmation of Eric Holder as attorney general, the Clintonite who midwifed the pardons of Marc Rich and the Puerto Rican terrorists, contingent on his naming an independent counsel in the Senategate scandal.

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Many Obama Hopium Eaters lullaby themselves (see our item below this one) with the fairy tale about how Obama and the Dimocratic leadership did not steal the nomination and that the process was not fixed. Well, the process was fixed and they can start to wake themselves up from the fairy tale. Not only did Obama get delegates from an election he was not even running in, the Dimocrats stole Hillary votes to give them to Obama in Michigan. In Florida… well here’s Plouffe:

This might not fall in the category of things that make Hillary Rodham Clinton feel better about how the Democratic presidential contest turned out. But David Plouffe, the campaign manager for Barack Obama’s campaign, said at a campaign manager’s forum here at Harvard University tonight that things might have been a lot different had the disputed Florida primary actually counted in the Democratic race.

“In fact, we might not have been the nominee,” Mr. Plouffe said at a forum sponsored by the Kennedy School of Government.

Mr. Plouffe said that he was surprised – and relieved – when the Clinton campaign bowed to pressure from early primary states, including Iowa and New Hampshire, and agreed not to campaign in Florida after the state defied the Democratic National Committee and scheduled its primary before Feb. 3. That spared the Obama campaign the burden of running in a state where all sides agreed Mrs. Clinton was very strong.

“The Florida primary was always of concern to us,” Mr. Plouffe said. “When they agreed to do it in the Clinton campaign, I was really surprised.”

(The vote was held, and Mrs. Clinton won, but the Democratic National Committee said that delegates won there would not count in determining the outcome of the race.)

The way it turned out, Mr. Obama crushed Mrs. Clinton in South Carolina on Jan. 26 and rolled into Super Tuesday on Feb. 5, when there were more than 20 states holding contests. Florida’s primary on Jan 29, Mr. Plouffe argued, could have made everyone forget South Carolina if the Democratic party had not stripped it of its delegates.

“If we hadn’t had that moment of velocity coming out of South Carolina — particularly after losing New Hampshire – I don’t know if we could have survived Feb. 5,” he said.

Read that quick, before Plouffe is forced to take it back. Even if Hillary would have campaigned in Florida she would have been attacked by the Dimocratic leadership and they still would not have counted the votes. The nomination was gifted to Obama and when the Florida theft was not enough to get Obama the nomination, the Michigan theft was dragged in. Grassroots Democrats resisted up to the last primaries, but hey, it’s hard to beat the Chicago Way without subpoena power.

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The Obama nomination was gift-wrapped in Massachusetts [The real story of the Obama nomination gift is yet to be told. The Godfather fans will remember Godfather telling Tom Hagen Obama’s Tattaglia’s a pimp…. But I didn’t know until this day that it was Ted Kennedy Barzini all along].

Like Barzini, Ted is getting bad payback. Caroline will not replace the irreplaceable Hillary Clinton.

It’s been a week since Caroline Kennedy’s name vaulted to the top of the list of candidates to replace Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Senate, and already the bloom is coming off the boomlet. [snip]

Rivals — including at least three members of the New York congressional delegation — are starting to doubt Kennedy’s viability and experience, and Paterson is said to be less than enthusiastic about picking her, people close to him say. Critics are even questioning the substance of her accomplishments in education, her most high profile issue.

There is no frontrunner – period,” snapped a person close to Paterson, when asked about Kennedy’s prospects.

Other than insult the memory of her father by comparing the accomplished John Kennedy with the Chicago flim-flam artist, Caroline has not done much.

Kennedy faces several obstacles for her candidacy. She has a low public profile in New York, and beyond her name, the most robust element of her public record is a part-time, unpaid fundraising position in New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg’s Department of Education.

She’s never demonstrated much appetite for the folksy, repetitive rituals of retail politics. The most potent argument being used against her, however, is the little matter of Kennedy’s backing of Barack Obama in the primary over New York’s native (if adopted) daughter Clinton, a genteel betrayal many Clinton supporters haven’t quite forgotten.

“This isn’t a jihad or anything, but I’d be lying to you if I said that supporters of Hillary don’t remember where she was in the primary,” said Democratic Rep. Anthony Weiner, a possible mayoral candidate who is close to the former first lady.

A senior Democrat said Clinton supporters had expressed their resentment over a possible Kennedy pick to people around Paterson, and that tacit resistance has opened the door to other members of the congressional delegation to violate party taboos and directly criticize a Kennedy.

“I don’t know what Caroline Kennedy’s qualifications are, except that she has name recognition, but so does J.Lo,” another Queens congressman, Gary Ackerman, quipped during a radio interview Monday. “I wouldn’t make J.Lo the senator unless she proved she had great qualifications, but we haven’t seen them yet.”

Manhattan Rep. Carolyn Maloney, who has hired a one-time Paterson consultant to lobby for the Senate appointment, was overheard complaining about Kennedy’s “complete lack of experience” to friends on the floor of the House on Wednesday, according to a member who was within earshot.

Kennedy worked briefly as a journalist. She has a law degree, but has not practiced extensively. She has co-written two books and edited others, raised money for charities, and served at times as a family spokeswoman, with her highest profile role coming earlier this year when she bestowed the Kennedy mantle on Obama.

“The question is experience,” said Hank Sheinkopf, a veteran New York Democratic consultant. “Can she do what needs to be done?”

He also questioned whether the Kennedy name, so potent in the past, would enthrall 21st century New Yorkers.

“So they decided to rename the [Triboro] Bridge [after Robert F. Kennedy],” he said. “But if you went to the street and asked ten people under 50 who this guy was, they wouldn’t know what you’re talking about.”

Caroline Kennedy “worked” for 2 years as a “chief executive” raising money. She is now the “chairwoman” of a partnership which raises money.

A former colleague at the Department of Education described Kennedy as a pleasant, low-key part-timer who appeared at the agency’s downtown office for partial days two or three times a week and sat in on meetings, but was rarely a driving force, and who insistently avoided media attention and interview requests.

Her appointment to this job raised eyebrows at the time because it was structured to avoid her having to disclose her family income on city conflict of interest forms that are required for all city officials.

Caroline Kennedy will not be the next senator from New York. Upstate New York opposition will prevent Governor Paterson from naming her as will the influence peddling stench from Chicago.

Hillary Clinton, before she ran for the Senate seat, spent over a year visiting upstate New York on a “listening tour”. Many also forget that well before there was an empty senate seat to consider Hillary had spent months campaigning with Charles Schumer in upstate New York when Schumer was running for the Senate. Hillary knew the region well by the time she even began to consider running in a state that had NEVER elected a woman to statewide office.

Caroline Kennedy knows nothing about upstate New York and the upstate columnists will not let Patterson forget that:

When it comes to politics, we New Yorkers surely do love the odd, the improbable, even the outrageous. Apparently our threshold for amusement is well over the top. [snip]

And where else would Caroline Kennedy be seriously considered for a U.S. Senate seat, even for a millisecond? Have we lost our collective minds? [snip]

As soon as her name popped up as a possibility, in some minds she became a front-runner. It’s absurd. What, in heaven’s name, are her credentials, her applicable experience? It’s all wrapped up in a name, and it isn’t heaven’s. That simply isn’t enough, not in New York. Not everyone who carries the Kennedy name is automatically adept at politics. Please, show us proof.

We’re told Caroline Kennedy is apparently a bright, wonderful person, who is soft-spoken, intensely private and, given her enormous celebrity, has miraculously avoided the limelight. New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg says she’s been terrific at raising money for city schools. He supports her. On what basis, he doesn’t elaborate.

OK, but she’s never run for political office, and before becoming deeply involved in the Obama primary against Hillary, didn’t show us an overt interest in the political process at any level. Now she’s become the close friend and adviser of President-elect Obama, who says she’s a warm and terrific person and would make a great senator. But, Obama added, he declines to get involved in New York’s political process. As if he just didn’t.

There is much that is off-putting about this trial balloon. It’s being pushed exclusively in Washington, in Hyannis by her uncle, Sen. Ted Kennedy, and in New York City. There is no indication from any upstate political voices that Caroline Kennedy has a grasp of the problems afflicting our 62 counties, or up to now, done much to find out. She hasn’t spoken out on issues, or policy, or even personalities except for Obama’s.

It was Barzini all along:

So whose agenda is satisfied by appointing Caroline Kennedy the improbable junior senator from New York? Obama’s and Ted Kennedy’s, certainly. Senator Kennedy’s endorsement of Obama came at a critical time in the war with Hillary, and may have tipped the balance. Another Senator Kennedy would be a nice payback. Except, of course, it was our senator who got burned by the Kennedy maneuver. I can’t imagine if Hillary has anything to say in the matter that she would go along, because it would be a kick in the teeth for Caroline to follow her in office.

Governor Paterson would have to run for office carrying Caroline while upstate New York throws rocks.

Governor Paterson makes the appointment, and will do so at the beginning of a troublesome period in state history that could well negatively affect his popularity. So what’s in it for him to appoint Caroline over more capable candidates? Perhaps a shamrock to wear at the St. Patrick’s Day parade, but not much else. It’s only conjecture, but I would imagine the incursion of the Kennedy clan into New York politics is bound to make many of the governor’s downstate friends and supporters more than a tad nervous anyway.

And finally, appointing Caroline Kennedy out of celebrity and not merit doesn’t do much for the state of New York. Oh that. At this critical juncture in dealing with a federal bailout for New York, and the intricate needs in Congress of restructuring our just deserts, a wonderful, soft-spoken person with little political experience is not what we need. We don’t need nice, we need the quintessential, stereotypical New Yawker. A super-smart, overbearing extrovert who knows his or her way around Washington.

Plouffe goes the weasel.

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180 thoughts on “Caroline Goes Plouffe

  1. HI Hillfriends…happy to be able to get back on…

    as for CK…if she is so suddenly interested in serving in elected public life…then she should start putting together her campaign to run for the senate seat in 2010 and get out there and meet the voters and go to the precients, state fairs, etc…just like Hillary did…

    and if Carolyn can win on her own merits and hard work then she would have earned the seat…as far as Hillary’s seat just being handed to her on her name recognition and pressure from Uncle Ted….forgetaboutit!!!!

    If Governor Paterson dares to go Blago he needs to be called on it…he has enough elected professionals in NY to choose from…no need to go to someone who has no experience, has not declared herself on the issues and does not seem to have the fire in the belly a New York Senator requires…

  2. NO Caroline Kennedy, now or evermore! I am a registered Independent in the state of Florida – and I will not forget those who voted me half a person. I know firsthand what the Huckster and the Reid/Pelosi/Brazile/Dean alliance did to our state citizens and I will NEVER forget.

    Being just one little person with no clout, I await for payback to be the hEII that I have heard all my life it was.
    Thank you, Admin, and Merry Fitzmas to all!

    How can we collectively promote the Special Prosecutor/Independent Counsel position and how can we promote Fitz for it?

  3. ADIN,

    BRILLIANT! (as usual) 😉

    ‘Many Obama Hopium Eaters lullaby themselves (see our item below this one) with the fairy tale about how Obama and the Dimocratic leadership did not steal the nomination and that the process was not fixed. Well, the process was fixed and they can start to wake themselves up from the fairy tale.’
    The excerpt from Plouffe speaking at Harvard is depressing. 🙁 But true.

    Now that I live in upstate NY, I have to agree that there’s no enthusiam for CK here and I doubt Paterson appointing her would go down well.

  4. I think that the Reps should see a Special Prosecutor hopefully Fitz as just retalization for what went on in the campaign. Much more effective than taking a key off of the keyboards of all of the computers, which is what the Clinton administration did.

  5. REPOST from previous thread.

    So Fitzmas DELAYED the CHICAGO TRIBUNE from reporting the Blago story for 2 months, just enough time to gift BO the election!

    Just heard that on Reliable Sources. 2 months brings us back to mid-October. If the story had been reported then, BO would have been so tainted by the investigation he would have lost.

    Looks like Fitz drank the koolaid after all.

  6. So if they have tapes of RE speaking to the Gov and being strong armed for money etc, and he did not report it, can they bring charges against RE?

  7. look at this title in politico: McCain scolds GOP for whacking Obama

    no wonder McCain lost the election. on wondwr GOP did not turn out in force for him in Nov.

  8. admin, it is good to see that there is such strong push back against anointing another inexperienced celebrity. The silver lining, if there is one, to Balgojevich’s predicament(!) is that Teddy’s little missive won’t happen — it seems he wrote a sort of “veiled threat” to Paterson that her contacts are long and wealthy.

    Repeating basil’s question, where is that RNC clip being played?

  9. Definitely a “deep throat” within the “bowels” (anals literally) of Patrick Fitzgerald’s office. This most assuredly REEKS of tip-offs to protect BHO/RE/VJ et al. SHAME ON PF for selling his soul to the devil(s). So RB will take the fall for the whole shooting match…he and Rezko…one could only pray that this is PF way of getting into the backdoor of the new administration without taking the ax – only to turn it back around on BHO and ALL THE KINGS MEN.

    And where is the Special Prosecutor who will snuff out the TRUTH and the blind eye by FP’s office? Republicans should band together and make this the only way to get EH as AG. Great idea Pat Buchanan…turn your fellow Irishman Patrick Fitzgerald on his ear…..put HIM under the micorscope as well as the Chicago Combine.

    DO IT NOW!!!!!

  10. curiosity, I read it differently. I think they did not want to disrupt the election with this bombshell because they(assuming it is the Repubs) didn’t want to win. If PF had gone ahead, the whole historic election and its debacle would have been hung around his neck and which prosecutor wants that. It seems the Repubs gave up the election and decided to lie in wait for four years.

  11. # pm317 Says:
    December 14th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    curiosity, I read it differently. I think they did not want to disrupt the election with this bombshell because they(assuming it is the Repubs) didn’t want to win. If PF had gone ahead, the whole historic election and its debacle would have been hung around his neck and which prosecutor wants that. It seems the Repubs gave up the election and decided to lie in wait for four years.
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    The other factor was that Fitz was still developing the case against Blogo and wasn’t planning to indict until Spring of ’09. He seemed to the pi**ed that Blogo forced his hand with “Senategate.”

  12. ARTICLE HERE: blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/12/rnc-links-obama.html

    VIDEO HERE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2M1zMaZPmI

    RNC links Obama and Blagojevich in Web Video

    December 14, 2008 10:37 AM

    From Matt Jaffe and Sunlen Miller:

    It’s been three days since President-elect Barack Obama said at a press conference that “in the next few days” he would share the facts of what contacts his staff had with Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, who was arrested last Tuesday and charged with attempting to sell Obama’s vacant U.S. Senate seat.

    It seems Republicans are getting impatient.

    Today the Republican National Committee released a video highlighting links between Obama and Blagojevich.

    The two-minute web video, called “Questions Remain”, urges Obama to disclose more information about contacts between his aides and Blagojevich.

    It also references contacts between Obama’s incoming Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and the governor.

    The RNC said the video “highlights the evolving explanations delivered by President-elect Obama and his advisors concerning their contact with the embattled and scandal-plagued Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich despite Obama’s promises to instill greater transparency and confidence in government.”

    At a press conference in Chicago on Thursday, the President-elect promised forthcoming information, “I had no contact with the governor’s office. I did not speak to the governor about these issues. That I know for certain. What I want to do is to gather all the facts about any staff contacts that I might — may have — that may have taken place between the transition office and the governor’s office. And we’ll have those in the next few days, and we’ll present them. But what I’m absolutely certain about is that our office had no involvement in any deal-making around my Senate seat. That I’m absolutely certain of.”

    The Obama Transition Team did not reply to questions about the RNC’s video when asked.

    Also this weekend, the Illinois GOP started a website – FriendsofBlago.com – to link a dozen different state Democrats to Blagojevich.

    In a not-so-subtle dig at the President-elect, the Republicans’ website rips off Obama’s “change” mantra, asking visitors to “Join the fight – Bring change to Illinois.”

    – Matt Jaffe and Sunlen Miller

  13. The video above — released this morning by the Republican National Committee — is the latest in a series of attempts by GOPers to keep tie scandal-tarred Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich to President-elect Barack Obama.

    To be clear, nothing in the video (circulated via the web and meant as a sort of video press release) implies wrongdoing on behalf of the president-elect. And yet, Republicans clearly believe they have an opening to paint Obama with the broad Blagojevich brush and will continue to do so over the coming days.

    John McCain, for his part, seemed to dismiss the tactic during an appearance this morning on ABC’s “This Week”: “With all due respect to the Republican National Committee, we should try to be working constructively together,” McCain said.

    We’ll have much more on the “guilt by association” strategy being pursued by Republicans tomorrow in this space. But, in the meantime, what do you think about this approach? Does it have the potential to rain on Obama’s inauguration parade?

    voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/12/rnc_pushing_hard_on_obama-blag.html?nav=rss_blog

  14. canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/6940

    Obama Discussed Senate Vacancy With Indicted Governor

    Judicial Watch is performing its own investigation into the Illinois political scandal involving the state’s governor and his connection to President-Elect Barack Obama.

    Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton issued the following statement today in response to the arrest of Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich:
    “There has been an air of lawlessness around Governor Blagojevich for some time and Judicial Watch applauds US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald for his actions.
    “Blagojevich’s corruption is no surprise, but its breadth and depravity is shocking. The alleged efforts to sell the Senate seat of Barack Obama are outrageous, but also seem to implicate many other powerful politicians and political players. Especially disturbing are the questions the scandal raises about Barack Obama and his close associates.
    “This is a burgeoning crisis for Obama that should shake his presidency to its core.
    “The criminal complaint filed today indicates that Obama and his team knew about Blagojevich’s efforts to sell Obama’s Senate seat. (“Tony” Rezko, Obama friend, fundraiser and real estate partner, is once again implicated in the corrupt activities exposed today.)

    Oh no not the dreaded Judicial Watch the group that dogged the Clintons ran by Larry Klayman oh I remember them.
    Well if anyone can get Obama this group can.

  15. http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/republicans-take-aim-at-holder/transitions/

    Republicans Take Aim at Holder

    When even McCain praises Obama for the quality of the people in his new administration, what is a Republican to do? GOP senators believe they have found a chink in Obama’s armor in the shape of his good friend Eric Holder, nominated to be attorney general. Not only did Holder, as Bill Clinton’s deputy attorney general, recommend pardoning the fraudster Marc Rich, but, more rashly, he advised a group of 16 Puerto Rican terrorists on how best to win a pardon. And they did. Leading the charge against Holder is maverick GOP Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee, which must approve Holder’s appointment. Specter met with Holder for more than an hour Monday to discuss his decisions made when Clinton’s deputy attorney general. He has asked that the hearing be delayed for two weeks while he awaits more information. “By analogy to the Gonzales tenure, I think it is imperative we be sure the attorney general of the United States does not bend his views to accommodate his appointer; that the attorney general does not bend his views in any way which is partisan or political, to serve any interest other than the interests of justice,” Specter told the Senate.
    Read it at Los Angeles Times

  16. curiosity, I read it differently. I think they did not want to disrupt the election with this bombshell because they(assuming it is the Repubs) didn’t want to win. If PF had gone ahead, the whole historic election and its debacle would have been hung around his neck and which prosecutor wants that. It seems the Repubs gave up the election and decided to lie in wait for four years.
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    I would go one step further. McCain was and is the most anemic Republican candidate I have seen in my lifetime. No instinct for the jugglar. He had a wealth of information at his fingertips and refused to use it. Like the British Secret Service in World War I his mantra was gentlemen dont read other peoples mail. By the same token the staff people he surrounded himself with were unimpressive. The best ally he had was Sara. Nevertheless some of his lackluster people have tried to smear her. Sure he is hunting them just like OJ is hunting the real killer. But he tells the RNC to go easy on Bambi? Pathetic or blind.

  17. LOL…I wasn’t able to get on here from Friday afternoon until this morning. Then it locked me out for the last few hours again.

    I’m beginning to get an inferiority complex here. 😉

  18. “as Bill Clinton’s deputy attorney general, recommend pardoning the fraudster Marc Rich,”
    *************
    The Marc Rich pardon was asked for by Ehud Barak. The Israelis wanted Pollard pardoned and Clinton told them now way..Rich was their second choice. The pardon of Rich also probably solidified AIPAC support for Hillary’s NY Senate campaign.

  19. Hi, my name is Julie and I am writing for MJ.

    She is part of a rotating group of people who give respite to 24/7 family caregivers and pulled a longer-than usual assignment this weekend.

    I am at her place to get her a change of clothes and to check if this blog site is working. I will tell her what is evidently good news in about 25 minutes.

    Boy was she bummed out.

    This looks really interesting. I will probably start reading you over vacation starting next Friday.

    Bye-bye guys.

    Julie-Ann

  20. For that matter, the ‘Puerto Rican terrorists’ that Clinton relesaed (iirc commuted sentence after they had sevrved many years) weren’t really terrorists, according to a lot of VIPs who had been petitioning for their reliease. They had worked for some other group which was associated with a terrorist group. The GOP goign after Bill Clnton on this was a smear — at the time when the media was counting the hanging chads to see who REALLY won Florida. This was at the same time the GOP and media were releasing sex scandal info about Jesse Jackson SENIOR to divert attention from his attempts to prove voter intimidation, non-vote counting, etc by the GOP in November 2000.

  21. Caveat emptor: this is from a tabloid newspaper that employs a scumbag journalist named Michael Goodwin who was one of the prime instigators of the RFK assassination stunt. They are an anti-Hillary rag and the comments section attracts endless stupidity from their dumbass readers. Nothstanding all that here it is:

    Key Hillary friends oppose Caroline Kennedy for N.Y.’s Senate seat
    BY KENNETH LOVETT
    DAILY NEWS ALBANY BUREAU CHIEF

    Sunday, December 14th 2008, 12:15 AM

    Arbogast/AP

    Caroline Kennedy takes heat from Clinton pals.
    .
    ALBANY – The backlash against Caroline Kennedy replacing Hillary Clinton in the Senate was in full gear this past week, much of it coming from key supporters of Clinton herself.

    In recent days, Robert Zimmerman, a Clinton adviser and member of the Democratic National Committee, and Stuart Applebaum, a former Clinton delegate and president of the Retail, Wholesale, and Department Store Union, ripped Kennedy’s qualifications.

    Reps. Anthony Weiner (D-Queens, Brooklyn) and Gary Ackerman (D-Queens), both of whom are loyal to Clinton, have also harped on Kennedy’s lack of political experience. Ackerman compared Kennedy’s name recognition with that of Jennifer Lopez, saying popularity doesn’t make someone qualified to be a U.S. senator.

    Some New York Democrats are still miffed that Kennedy, along with her uncle, Sen. Ted Kennedy, endorsed and campaigned for Obama over Clinton – who is leaving the Senate to become Obama’s secretary of state – during the primaries.

    “It’s been a little vicious,” said longtime Democratic strategist Joseph Mercurio of the backlash. “It’s a little over the top.”

    The criticism followed days of praise of Kennedy – though no official backing – from political powerhouses like President-elect Barack Obama and Mayor Bloomberg as well as members of the Kennedy clan.

    Clinton spokesman Philippe Reines said that out of respect for Gov. Paterson, the outgoing senator will not comment publicly on the process or any particular candidate. “Nor does any third party speak on her behalf,” he said.

    A number of elected Democrats said the governor would be smart to pick Kennedy.

    “How many freshman senators at the bottom of the seniority list can pick up the phone and get the President?” asked one influential Democrat, who asked that his name not be used.

    Mercurio, who listed Kennedy and Attorney General Andrew Cuomo as two of the most-qualified candidates, said New York has a list of past senators, including Clinton and Kennedy’s uncle, Robert F. Kennedy, who had no prior electoral experience.

    Sources have said while her family is gung-ho for her to run, Kennedy still hasn’t made up her mind if she wants the job.

  22. So Fitzmas DELAYED the CHICAGO TRIBUNE from reporting the Blago story for 2 months, just enough time to gift BO the election!

    Just heard that on Reliable Sources. 2 months brings us back to mid-October. If the story had been reported then, BO would have been so tainted by the investigation he would have lost.

    Looks like Fitz drank the koolaid after all.
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    Basil: tell that to the bots. They will believe it. I do not. He is running an investigation which is vitally important to the future of our country. Investigations like this have a life of their own. He is above the political process. The loss of the election is the fault of three men: karl rove, w, and mccain (see above). He is not by any stretch a koolaid drinker–believe me.

  23. Julie-Ann: thanks for letting us know. I have put made several unsuccessful attempts to reach her this weekend and was starting to get worried.

  24. The problem with Caroline Kennedy as senator isn’t that she’s never been elected. It’s that she’s quiet, low key and unassuming. She lacks the assertiveness necessary to be an effective senator from NY. And can anyone imagine her doing all the grunt work and retail politicking of being a senator? Give me a break. BTW, wbboei is right: Michael Goodwin’s an anti-Hillary shill anyway, and the purpose of this article is to make her supporters look petty and push Caroline in the process. I seriously doubt Gov. Paterson is falling for it.

  25. Besides, if Paterson picks Caroline, it’ll make everyone wonder what kind of strong-arm influence the Kennedys exercised in return for the seat. Not something you want to face if your Paterson, in light of the Blago affair.

  26. I saw a long article not long ago with long quotes from Paterson. He said of governor-appointed Senators that most of them don’t bother to run in the next election and that those who do run seldom win. He plans to appoint someone who can be a long-term Senator for NY.

    Something to do with ‘merit’??? 😉

  27. BTW, I was not at all surprised to read in that last thread that Hillary’s working 16-hour days to get ready for SoS.

  28. I’m not as diplomatic as you, adm… I am rip-sh*t over the “Audacity of Caroline”!

    I put my feeling to the keyboard and also a few scathing comments:
    Caroline, the Red Queen..

    Next, I found some good info on BO that isn’t too complementary! It reeks of a bad omen.. I have it here @:

    Pumas Unleashed

  29. Hi admin, hi all

    Admin, I’ve got 2 words that were part of the organized theft of this election to add to your synopsis…JOHN EDWARDS

    with the JE scandal just under the radar and hidden from public view (by we know who) JE played an intrical role in syphoning off just enough votes from Hillary to allow BHO the theft.

    the DNC and BHO had this figured into the equation to the very end.

  30. Debbie, the modus operandi of the Obama Chicago thugs has been to investigate the sex lives of opponents and use the information acquired to advantage. It would not surprise that Edwards could eventually be added to the list of the blackmailed by the Obama dirt diggers. Thanks for reminding us of the lowlife John Edwards and his potential role during the primaries.

  31. Read that quick, before Plouffe is forced to take it back. Even if Hillary would have campaigned in Florida she would have been attacked by the Dimocratic leadership and they still would not have counted the votes. The nomination was gifted to Obama and when the Florida theft was not enough to get Obama the nomination, the Michigan theft was dragged in. Grassroots Democrats resisted up to the last primaries, but hey, it’s hard to beat the Chicago Way without subpoena power
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    Absolutely right Admin. And all doubt about that was removed by what occurred at the Rules and By-Laws Committee hearing.

    His grandfather was President of the United States, his father was commander of the 3d Marine Raider Batallion in the South Pacific in World War II and he is an emblematic example of the curse that befalls the third generation in great families. This was the letter I wrote to RBC Chairman Roosevelt to which I received . . . . . . not answer–no surprise that.

    Dear Chairman Roosevelt

    On Saturday May31 the RBC met to consider the question of how the votes cast by America citizens in Michigan and Florida primaries which were held outside the window prescribed by the DNC should be included in the total delegate count for the presidential nomination. We were told that this was a historical moment and the eyes of the world were watching. By the end of the day a decision was rendered and an election was stolen.

    You were Chairman of that Committee. I am writing to convey my outrage over the Michigan decision. I understand that eight (8) committee members voted against that improvident decision. If you happen to be one of them then you have my profound respect. You were on the side of the angels when it counted and none of what I am about to say relates to you.

    For the remaining members however let me begin with this question: by what sophistry of reason did you presume to : i) strip delegates from someone who earned them, ii) award delegates as well as superdelegates to someone who was not on the ballot and iii) establish an a false threshold and iv) invalidate the popular vote? Frankly, this is what you would expect to see in a banana republic. Is that what our great political party has come to?

    Please do not tell me this was a compromise. We both know it was a blatant hijacking of rights conferred to Senator Clinton by Michigan voters through a referendum . It violates the core concept of democracy and offers a vivid example of how this new vaunted leadership coalition would govern the country if they succeed in their no holds barred quest for power. To party members and voters alike I say this: caveat emptor baby.

    As one prominent member of your committee accurately observed this decision violates the bedrock principle of democracy, breaches the fair reflection standard set forth in our rules and disenfranchises 600,000 Democratic voters. How could this happen? Chuck Todd of Politico informs us that Obama now controls the Party and the committee merely “executed” his will.

    We find that suggestion morally reprehensible. The last time I looked we were a party of rules, rights, and due process not a dictatorship. Is this the change we have been waiting for?

    The aftermath of this decision has been equally surreal. As main stream media began to label the decision “controversial”, one member who supported the decision appeared on CNN and offered to trade her vote as a superdelegate for Hillary at the convention to make up for the four that were stripped away if it made Clinton supporters happy. What are we to make of that?

    I say it is an admission that the decision is fatally flawed. In fact, it is so egregious that it may well become the subject of congressional hearings on the eve of the election. Frankly, this vaunted new coalition is beginning to look like the infamous gang that can’t shoot straight.
    We know this decision is a travesty of justice.

    The precedent it sets is obscene. And it sends an unequivocal message to centrist Democrats that our traditional coalition no longer counts and our votes do not matter. Furthermore we are appalled by the way our centrist candidate Senator Clinton has been abused and this decision is the final straw. Many of us will leave the party or stay home in November if she is not our nominee.

    How ironic since the stated purpose of the decision was to promote unity. But that was never really the objective here– was it?

    VTY

  32. JUst my opinion, but I think the republicans wanted Obama in because they knew they could bring his Presidency down. They also knew they could NOT bring down Hillary’s. They had been there and down that and it did not work. What the republicans did all those years was spend lots of money to tarnish Bill and Hillary only to have him leave office with over a 60% approval rating. (ha! Ha!)
    I fully believe that McCain rolled over and played dead for the good of the party and therefore never went after Obama.

    So now we must ask WHO is Fitz working for?? Why did he not bring Blago down in October when he apparently had enough for an indictment?? Did he do it for the sake of our first black Prez or did he do it for the Bush and Co??

    Meanwhile back at the ranch the freaking country is going down the tubes and it will not be long for the soup lines to start forming, so WTF can we do to stop this BS and get on with getting this country, thus I believe is where Hillary is now. Waiting for the BS to clear and she will lead us out.

  33. I have been critical of the Chicago Tribune. My criticsm was based on its endorsement of Obama, the endorsement of Obama by its sister newspaper the Los Angeles Times, as well as its Hispanic affiliate. The blatant partisanship of Clarence Page who is your prototypical shill. The refusal by Zinn to release the tape of Obamas controversial statements about that terrorist at that dinner. In short, the weight of the evidence seemed to justify that impression. Thus, I painted in a brush stroke.

    Nevertheless, I am pleased to report that there are jounalists like John Kass at the Tribune who do not blindly adopt the hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil about Obama which is the hallmark of Page (as well as Robinson at WashPo, among others). It fully appears that Kass is seriously interested in investigating the activities of the Illinois Combine, and is not easily bamboozled.

    We need more journalists who are willing to tell the truth and far fewer like Page, Robinson and Todd who are little more than propagandists. Frankly neither he nor Page are worth listening to.

  34. Confloyd.

    Yes, I believe there is some validity to what you just said. The same thought crossed my mind today. The Republicans sure do have their backs up and so quick! They were fairly mute when McCain was running giving him very little cover from BO attacks.

    Ole Pat Buchannon sure seems to be primed with a plan. Gotta hand to those (R’s) when it comes to strategy and execution of a plan they are unbeatable.

    I have a question. Who would assume the presidency? How would the president be chosen? Electoral College or Congress or next in line VP Biden?

    Hello, wbboi!

  35. When I think of a good journalist I pay zero attention to Pultizers. That is a popularity contest. If Robin Givhan has one how imporant can it be? When I think of a prototypical good journalist I think of Zola. To the best of my knowledge, information and belief Zola never: i) wrote an article on politicans with plunging necklines like Givhan, ii) made up stories of of thin air like Barnacle Mike and Jason Blair, iii) exhibited the kind of blatant partisanship we see at nbc, msnbc and cnn. He just spoke truth to power and rallied the public in a just cause.

  36. good question mrs smith

    I too have had the same thoughts as confloyd about the repubs..

    and who would get the presidency if BHO was taken down……would it be hillary? because she one the most popular votes in the primary? would it be biden who is yet to be sworn in as the VP?

    or would it be McCain the only qualifying general election candidate that got nearly 50% of the GE vote?

  37. I can’t help but constantly think about what W said at the beginning of the primary season ” the next president will be a republican president” and i also can’t help but remember how he seemed so sure of it.

  38. Hi Mrs. Smith-

    My understanding is as follows:

    If bambi was unable to serve before the electors met the presidency would go to mccain

    If bambi was unable to serve after they met the presidency would go to biden.

    In that case we could dump the groper and photocopy Neil Kinnock speeches for biden to recite til hell wont have it anymore.

  39. Forgive me but I just cannot see Zola sitting in his apartment in Paris in the heighth of the Belle Epoch while an innocent man was suffering brutal incarceration at Devils Island worrying about whether he would be disinvited to the Presidents house if he said something awkward but truthful about the Administration. Nor would he be inclined to sit still where as here our democacy is being stolen–mucn less become an accomplice to it like NYT, WashPo, NBC, MSNBC and CNN.

  40. Hi Confloyd: take a look at my response to Basil at 4:27 above. Over the years, I have known three (3) U.S. Attorneys over the years and a number of Assistant US Attorneys. I do not know Fitzgerald personally but I have a very high regard for his work. He is thorough, non partisan and fearless. He respects the civil liberties of all defendants. He is not there to win an election for anyone. He is there to investigate whether crimes were committed and to pursue them accordingly. He works for the American People.

  41. wbboei,

    I’m glad to hear that about Fitz. I am not following this issue closely but what you say does seem to fit the publilc actions we’ve seen.

    If F wanted to help O, why not keep quiet and let O buy the seat? Or at least keep the lid on till O was inaugarated and would have more power and could actually do some pardons etc.

    If F wants to hurt O, he might be making this move now for the same reasons — before O actually gets into power. Doing it before the elections might have been insufficient to hurt O; the bots and media would have covered for O and the villians fled the trap.

    Doing it now makes sense for Fitz’ stated reason: to prevent the crime of a bribed appointment actually happening. (And I haven’t checked the timing, but didn’t these bribery discussions happen after Nov 4?)

  42. Admin

    Too tired to think absolutely straight right now, but this I do know…the problem I had getting into the comments’ sections did not say the usual CPU stuff on a blue page as in the past.

    These last days had to do with HTTP Error 404 – Not found.

    Sometimes it gave a typewritten 2-3 line expanation having something to do with APACHE if I remember correctly.

    In any case, I’m back on now, and notice the comment numbers have increased dramatically, so am assuming others have pent up comments too.

    Sure does make one step back and appreciate what we have here, for sure.

  43. wbboei, I can’t remember who or where I heard it, but they said that it came from higher up to hold off on the arrest of Blago to Fitz.
    Do you think Pebo is involved at this point in a cover-up. Geraldo is doing his best to implicate Obama if not for anything else but to say they should have called the crime in to the authorities.
    I hope you are right, but I don’t trust these attorneys, I remember Kenneth Starr.

  44. admin, I am still getting that 404 error from my job. Its real irritating because there is so much going on right now and I love this site for its true reporting/investigative of the slugs around the Obama’s. Of coarse the comments are also so good.

  45. Teddy Kennedy.

    A little bird who is just won an important bet and has done phd level work in psycology has an interesting take on Teddy. His attempts to put his chosen Kennedys into key positions is an effort to indemnify the family for the damage done by the Mary Jo Kopekne episode and other embarrassments over the years. Could be.

    What I do know about him for sure is this. When I travelled to along the Eastern corridor I would run into Teddy from time to time. Never spoke to him. Never wanted to.

    Nevertheless I have this vivid recollection of him charging out of the first class section through the gate and off into the city. His face was red, it was etched in anger and the smell of booze was about him. A flight attendant told me that Teddy is a mean drunk. I could believe it. Did it affect my impression of him. How could it not?

  46. ROTFLMAO, did anyone else see those shoes being hurled at BUSH in Iraq??? I bet the guy that did it is in a heap of crap!!

  47. It’s an interesting custom…throwing your stinky old shoes at someone is the ultimate insult! Just think how many shoes Bush and Cheney would have by now, if it was our custom. I wonder if you just whip off the shoes your wearing right then and there, or bring an old pair, just in case you need them…lol

  48. I hope you are right, but I don’t trust these attorneys, I remember Kenneth Starr.
    ————————————–
    Confloyd. I remember Starr as well, and I was no more of a fan of him than you are. But there is a world of difference between Starr and Fitzgerald. The US Attorneys I have met were good people, loyal public servants and effective litigators. The good ones are what stands between us and the criminals–well you have seen enough episodes of Law and Order to know what I am talking about.

  49. Wbboei, I know, I guess I am just getting a littly cynical, seeing how this bast*&^ has stolen the Presidency at a time when the avg. American really needs a Hillary Clinton. Bill wouldn’t of been able to hold a candle to her and he was pretty damn good.
    I just think about these two senate seats in the news and how they became open and I am just real suspicious. The Governorship of New York and how that took place, it seems like a tangled web of lies, cheating and theivery in all forms. There are even a few murders involved.

  50. I can’t remember who or where I heard it, but they said that it came from higher up to hold off on the arrest of Blago to Fitz.
    ————————————–
    Confloyd: I do not doubt somebody said it. However I doubt very much that it is true. I think he wanted to wait even longer but the governor’s behavior forced him to act when he did. I am fairly sure he let the Justice Department know what he going to do before he acted/ That would be pro-forma. But I am convinced that he was the one who decided to act when he did based on the governors actions. Fitzgerald is a straight shooter–unlike Big Media and the politicians he is investigating.

  51. Wbboei, I know, I guess I am just getting a littly cynical, seeing how this bast*&^ has stolen the Presidency at a time when the avg. American really needs a Hillary Clinton. Bill wouldn’t of been able to hold a candle to her and he was pretty damn good.
    I just think about these two senate seats in the news and how they became open and I am just real suspicious. The Governorship of New York and how that took place, it seems like a tangled web of lies, cheating and theivery in all forms. There are even a few murders involved.
    ——————————————
    Confloyd: I agree with you. Hillary is the greatest leader of her generation, the election was stolen and there is alot of unsavory behind the scenes maneuvering going on. The murder angle is certainly within the realm of possibility. Over the centuries, people have committed murder for far less than what is at stake here. The timing of those deaths is also suspicious.

  52. wbboei,

    Got your email, will try. Does my logic on turndownobama-com December 14th, 2008 at 9:39 pm fit with your view?

  53. confloyd
    I found that when I get the 404 error after trying to go to comments if I go to the top of the page then hit new registration>sign in(beneath new reg)>visit site it takes me to the comment section.

  54. henry Says:
    December 14th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
    confloyd
    I found that when I get the 404 error after trying to go to comments if I go to the top of the page then hit new registration>sign in(beneath new reg)>visit site it takes me to the comment section.
    =======================

    I think something like that worked for me too. Only had to do it once iirc.

  55. wbboei, Thanxs, I will.
    I also read somewhere yesterday that the government expects a complete crash of our economy by the end of the 2008 or early next year.
    I am pretty sure this is being orchestrated to install the “amero”. I am going to go read a history lesson about black wednesday and how the euro was installed.

  56. turndownobama-

    From what I read..(leak) stated Fitz got orders from higher up re: AG’s office in June to wait until after the election before blowing the whistle on Blago. To me, it means they have more evidence besides what they’ve released publicly. I read it here under puzzle pieces.Link No worries with Fitz… straight as an arrow.. and bullseye oriented.

  57. Thanks, wbboei for the presidential tour 🙂

    That means they would have to do it before Inauguration Day. Otherwise, BO will be grappling for the presidential immunity clause. I’m sure Fitz already has a target date set.

  58. Does my logic on turndownobama-com December 14th, 2008 at 9:39 pm fit with your view?
    ———————————–
    Turndown. Your logic is fine. But the election is not what is driving his timetable. As a prosecutor he is focused on conducting and completing what can only be described as a complex investigation of multiple transactions which involve hundreds of key people. If a key witness was about to become unavailable, or there was a statute of limitations issue then he would accelerate on that aspect of the case, but not the case in chief. But I do not see him doing this due to the pendency of an election. The fact that he convicted Libby tells you he will not allow partisanship to stand in the way of doing the job. Given the complexity of the case, I dont think he wanted to bring any action until a year from now.

  59. wbboei, He did convict Libby and we all know that Libby was the fall guy for Rove, so why not Rove?? Maybe its all linked, we do know that Rove worked with Donna Brazoid to get Obama in, so maybe one of the fish is Rove?? Who knows it all speculation!

  60. From what I read..(leak) stated Fitz got orders from higher up re: AG’s office in June to wait until after the election before blowing the whistle on Blago. To me, it means they have more evidence besides what they’ve released publicly. I read it here under puzzle pieces.Link No worries with Fitz… straight as an arrow.. and bullseye oriented.
    ———————————–
    Mr. Smith makes the key point. As long as the Governor was talking freely about the Combine and illegal activities on tape, it was prudent to allow him to continue providing information.
    But when he moves to a point where he is comitting a crime then Fitz had an obligation to act even though you would like to continue listening to him.

  61. wbboei, He did convict Libby and we all know that Libby was the fall guy for Rove, so why not Rove?? Maybe its all linked, we do know that Rove worked with Donna Brazoid to get Obama in, so maybe one of the fish is Rove?? Who knows it all speculation!
    ——————————————–
    He interviewed Rove 5 times. But he could not make a case against him because the evidence was not there. He tried. Criminal cases are not easy to prove. They require proof beyond a reasonable doubt and there are evidentiary rules that keep relative probative evidence away from the jury. It is a complex exercise to prepare and prosecute these types of cases. Often where there is big money involved the defendants are represented by ex prosectors.

  62. I also read somewhere yesterday that the government expects a complete crash of our economy by the end of the 2008 or early next year.
    I am pretty sure this is being orchestrated to install the “amero”. I am going to go read a history lesson about black wednesday and how the euro was installed.
    ————————————-
    Confloyd: the minute he says I do. They have got to build into the presidential oath the same escape clause they have in the marriage ceremony–if anyone disagrees let them speak now or forever hold their peace. A riot would ensue. Or you and I could sue for fraud in the inducement.

  63. wbboei,

    I believe you. But when I’m posting elsewhere, no one is going to believe me if I just make assertions about Firz’s motives.

    I can say that F’s actions are consistent with good practice as you describe, but that will not be conclusive unless bots have begun respecting Occam (and even so, ‘The simplest explanation is that this is a complicated situation’ doesn’t seem quite rigt somehow).

  64. Am I the only one who finds it EXTREMELY interesting that Blago refuses to resign saying, “There’s more to the story.” ??

    I always wondered if the guy was retarded to be speaking so openly KNOWING Fitz was on his ass. Now, I think perhaps Blago isn’t retarded afterall. He’s setting Bambi up for the fall.

  65. WBBOEI!

    Now I really don’t know what to think!

    The Real Story Behind the Rushed Blagojevich Bust: How the Feds Are Frustrated by Losing (Maybe) Half of Their Case

    Cam Simpson reports on the Rod Blagojevich case in Chicago.

    Conventional wisdom holds that U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald ordered the FBI to arrest Rod Blagojevich before sunrise Tuesday in order to stop a crime from being committed. That would have been the sale of the Senate seat vacated by President-elect Barack Obama.

    But the opposite is true: Members of Fitzgerald’s team are livid the scheme didn’t advance, at least for a little longer, according to some people close to Fitzgerald’s office. Why? Because had the plot unfolded, they might have had an opportunity most feds can only dream of: A chance to catch the sale of a Senate seat on tape, including the sellers and the buyers.

    The precise timing of Tuesday’s dramatic, pre-dawn arrest was not dictated by Fitzgerald, nor was it dictated by the pace of Blagojevich’s alleged “crime spree.” It was dictated by the Chicago Tribune, according to people close to the investigation and a careful reading of the FBI’s affidavit in the case.

    At Fitzgerald’s request, the paper had been holding back a story since October detailing how a confidante of Blagojevich was cooperating with his office.

    Gerould Kern, the Tribune’s editor, said in a statement last week that these requests are granted in what he called isolated instances. “In each case, we strive to make the right decision as reporters and as citizens,” he said.

    But editors decided to publish the story on Friday, Dec. 5, ending the Tribune’s own cooperation deal with the prosecutor.

  66. 😳

    blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/12/14/the-real-story-behind-the-rushed-blagojevich-bust-how-the-feds-are-frustrated-by-losing-maybe-half-of-their-case/

  67. Maybe I am in the minority, but I am fine with the timing of this explosive issue coming to a head.

    If it had come down during the campaign, the “teflon king” and his media slaves would have brushed it under the carpet. Nothing really touched Obama that should have, not Rezko, not Wright, etc… I doubt very much that this would have created that much of a stir.

    Now that the honeymoon is over, at the very least, this is putting Obamalite off message, creating some uneasiness in the media who are scrambling to convince everyone that he is not connected to it. I think if anything is going to happen, Blago and/or Rezko will be the conduit. That or hush money/dirty agreements will change hands…sigh…

  68. JanH

    I might be ignorant, but I don’t think the timing of this is linked to O becoming President. I think Fitz has his own time table, and I really don’t know how this will time out.

    If this does taint O, we will have to see how it plays out. In this election it appeared that it did not matter what crap he did, as they seem to forgive him. I guess if there are extortion charges here, that could be a whole new story. But then, the President might be able to bury that or get out of that.

    That is why a Special Prosecutor is so important, one that would keep this going without political ties.

  69. I agree with Idunn and JanH. I do not have enough info to determine about the suspicious timeline, but history has shown us that the Huckster was one of the ‘Untouchables’ in the election process thanks to collusion of most of the MSM, the punidts and hardcore politicians and wannabes. IMHO when in office he will sweep all this under the rug and not allow dissent – and there will be pardons from on high.

    I suspect that all the presidents’ men will come falling down and then he will have no one to supply the stiffness to his nonexistent backbone save for Michelle – and that thought alone sends shivers down my spine.

    Another one that I fail to understand right now is McCain. Did he sell his soul to get his friend Joe’s political life back to order?

  70. The dimocrats are in full blown out panic mode!!!

    Bob Beckle was just on fox news and had this to say about the blagobama-gate

    “it’s christmas, no one wants to hear about this stuff, they don’t really care about this stuff right now because it’s christmas time… but hey how about those GOP’s and the failure of the auto bail out!”

    IMPLODE IMPLODE IMPLODE LMAO!!!!

  71. djia, they are trying to make everyone believe that no one cares about this stuff, yeah right. Everyone I talk to is at full attention!

  72. WBBOEI!

    Now I really don’t know what to think
    ——————————–
    Basil: its not that confusing if you step back and think about it for a second.

    The timing is what some of us have been saying. The reason Fitzgerald did not act earlier was not because some dark forces behind the scene wanted Bambi to win the election so the Republican Party could sit this one out or because some puppeteer was pulling all the strings. Instead, it was driven by the internal dynamics of his investigation, and the need to acquire as much information as possible before going public at which time the open spigot of inforamtion would dry up and the media attacks against his investigation would begin.

    As for the reason he acted then as opposed to later–meaning a week or two later sounds plausable. If the newspaper could only wait so long before releasing the information, due to its own perilous economic circumstances that makes some sense. The alleged distress of people inside his campaign that he did not wait a few weeks longer is understandable as well because ideally he would have waited until some illegal deal was consumated before he moved in. Now he must prosecute based on whatever they were able to develop up to that point which is sufficient to fry the governor, but may not be enough to fry people like JJ 2. I hope to God I am wrong on that because I do agree with whoever said he would look good in a jail style pin stripe suit.

    This is consistent with the notion that Fitzgerald acted when he did to prevent a crime from being committed, but had it not been for the newspapers dealine I think he would have preferred to wait until the actual bribe was consumated. At least thats how it looks to me.

    If memory serves, nearly 100 years ago Clarence Darrow came out from the east to defend the MacNamara brothers who dynamited the Los Angeles Times Building because its then owner General Otis (a bona fide Civil War hero) was one of the leading forces in resisting the attempted unionization of that city–which was then called The Open Shop Citadel of the West. During the trial Darrow was presented with an opportunity to bribe a juror–and he took it. The authorities waited until money was actually exchanged before they closed the trap good and tight. The greatest attorney of that era Earl Rogers (a friend of the Los Angeles Times in its wars against the sensationalist Hearst competitor The Examiner took the case and Darrow got off. Rogers was fighting the achoholism that eventually destroyed him and that was the last case where he was at the heigth of his powers.

  73. JanH

    Thanks for the compliments, but compared to you and a number of other very educated researcher on this blog, I pale in comparison. I am just a voter, who worked my Axx off for HRC, and was appalled at what the Dems did. I felt they were so much better than the Reps, and to my sad realization, they could be worse.

    They appear to hide behind great causes (women, minorities, unions, etc, minimum wage, the people on welfare) but in actually, they think winning at all cost is a must, and they will commit fraud, and sell any of the causes down the river to do it. Since I value Honestly, I find myself without a party. I come here to get the real news, and to save my sanity.

    I want a Special Prosecutor appointed to find the TRUTH.

  74. More Allegations of ‘Pay For Play’ Surrounding Obama Cabinet Official

    Could President-elect Obama soon have to look for a new Commerce Secretary?

    campaignspot.nationalreview.com/

    Notice this story from Bloomberg:

    A federal grand jury is investigating how a company that advised Jefferson County, Alabama, on bond deals that threaten to cause the biggest municipal bankruptcy in U.S. history, did similar work in New Mexico after making contributions to Governor Bill Richardson’s political action committees.

    The grand jury in Albuquerque is looking into Beverly Hills, California-based CDR Financial Products, Inc. which received almost $1.5 million in fees from the New Mexico Finance Authority in 2004 after donating $100,000 to Richardson’s efforts to register Hispanic and American Indian voters and pay for expenses at the Democratic National Convention in 2004, people familiar with the matter said.

    The Federal Bureau of Investigation asked current and former officials from the state agency if any staff members in the governor’s office influenced CDR’s hiring, said the people, who declined to be identified because the proceedings are secret. Richardson, who is President-elect Barack Obama’s designate for Commerce Secretary, has a staff of at least 30 people…

    The company denies wrongdoing, and Richardson’s spokeman said, “The Governor’s Office is aware of questions surrounding some financial transactions at the New Mexico Finance Authority. We expect any state agency that is approached with federal officials” to cooperate.

    Maybe this FBI investigation will go nowhere. But in a post-Blagojevich environment, the Obama administration is probably going to be extra wary of associating with government officials under criminal investigation.

  75. Now they say Blago will allow a special election for the senate seat. That will help the republicans! I wonder how Bambiland likes that??

  76. It should NOT be Blago’s decision. I agree that a special election should be held, but the idea that this idiot is even in a position to still make decisions is just ludicrous!

  77. here is the last part of this article, the real meat of the story… hope we see more of it

    Chicago Politics Stains Obama
    Paying the price.

    By Michael Barone

    From all this the Blagojevich scandal is an unwanted distraction. It is a reminder that, for all his inspirational talk of hope and change, Obama, like Blagojevich, are both products of Chicago Democratic politics, which is capable of producing leaders both sublime and sordid.

    Obama has not always avoided the latter. For 20 years he attended the church of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, now thrown under the bus, and for more than a decade engaged in mutually beneficial exchanges political and financial with the political fixer Tony Rezko, now in federal custody.

    Blagojevich, never a close political ally, has now been thrown under the bus, too, and seems likely to share Rezko’s fate. Obama fans can point out, truthfully, that other revered presidents had seamy associates and made common cause on their way up with men who turned out to be scoundrels. Franklin Roosevelt happily did business with Chicago Mayor Ed Kelly, though warned that he was skimming off money from federal contracts. John Kennedy no more thought to deny a request from the Mayor Daley of his day than Obama has thought to buck the Mayor Daley of his.

    But as Kennedy supposedly said of a redolent Massachusetts politician, “Sometimes party loyalty asks too much.” The man in question was the Democratic nominee for governor and was not elected. Until Patrick Fitzgerald released his tapes, Barack Obama never said the same of Rod Blagojevich.

    Obama has profited greatly from his careful climb through Chicago politics. But there is an old saying that in politics nothing is free — there is just some question about when you pay the price. Obama is paying it now.

    article.nationalreview.com/?q=NmJkNzdkMDk1NzM4Y2I5MDMzZDUwMjgwY2JiYjBhMjE=

  78. Is Beckel paid to be stupid or does it just come naturally. With endless apologies to Irving Berlin:

    Folks are dumb
    Where I come from
    They aint got any ethics
    They just lie from A to Z
    Doin what comes naturally

  79. “Obama is paying it now.”
    **********
    Blogo-gate has nothing to do with Obama being the most corrupt politician to be elected POTUS. It just gives wide exposure to the fact that “O” is a pathological liar. There will have to be a lot more blood in the water before the media sharks go after the corruption.

  80. I don’t know about pay-to-play, but I sure would subscribe to pay-for-view TV coverage of Judas doing the perp walk in FBI custody on corruption charges.

  81. My posting did not take. I simply said that Barone is a fine journalist, that he is different from propandists like Kornbluth, Fouhey, Page, et. al. who twist the facts to suit a preexisting narrative. I also said that in this last election cycle propandists who dominate the broadcast media seemed to preempt the field and if bona fide journalists like Barone, Kass and others do not regain the upper hand then we are all in trouble.

  82. December 15, 2008
    U.S. S.Ct. rejects another appeal questioning Obama’s citizenship
    Posted: 11:10 AM ET

    From CNN Supreme Court Producer Bill Mears

    WASHINGTON (CNN) — The Supreme Court has dismissed a second emergency appeal questioning Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president because he had dual British-American citizenship at birth.

    The justices without comment on Monday refused to intervene in the November 4 presidential election, dismissing the claims of Cort Wrotnowski, a resident of Greenwich, Connecticut.

    In his appeal, Wrotnowski claimed that because Obama’s father was a Kenyan-born British subject, the president-elect does meet the Constitution’s requirement that the president be a “natural born citizen” of the United States. Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. His mother was a U.S. citizen, born in the United States.

    Many legal analysts questioned Wrotnowski’s argument.

    “The law has always been understood to be, if you are born here, you’re a natural born citizen,” said Thomas Goldstein, founder of the Scotusblog.com Web site and a lawyer who has argued numerous cases before the high court. “And that is particularly true in this case, when you have a U.S. citizen parent like Barack Obama’s mother.”

    A similar appeal was rejected a week ago by the high court, from a retired lawyer in New Jersey.

    In another lawsuit making its way through the courts, Philip Berg of Pennsylvania alleges the president-elect was actually born in Kenya. Berg claims Hawaiian officials will not let him see Obama’s original birth certificate, although the campaign posted a copy of it online this summer, following numerous blog postings over the citizenship question. That case had previously been dismissed by lower federal courts.

    The appeal rejected Monday is Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz (08A469).

  83. wbboei Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    Is Beckel paid to be stupid or does it just come naturally.
    *************************

    LMAO….. I think it comes naturally 😀

  84. # confloyd Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 11:42 am

    Now they say Blago will allow a special election for the senate seat. That will help the republicans! I wonder how Bambiland likes that??
    *******************

    they don’t that is why they wanted deputy Quinn to take over as gov and be able to “select” the replacement so they would not loose the seat to a republican ha ha ha!!!

    Dems: blago is going down and he ain’t playing by the rules!!! whaaaaaaa!!!

    I just hope the GOP keeps hitting the DIMS over the head with all this,painting obama with a broad blago guilt by association brush….. when the MSM and the DIMS scream about the GOP Ad’s etc and beckel is out there saying this blagobama gate isn’t important, that people don’t want to hear about this because its xmas time……..the dims are in implode mode and major panic has set in……… This tells us it is exactly what the GOP needs to keep doing 😀

  85. did anyone else notice the “readers articles” section at RCP has been gone for some time now?

    anyone know why? do-ya-think it be because it was a great source of “Anti” obama news??

  86. I’m not sure why some of my posts are coming through and others aren’t but I was trying to post a link to an article titled: No Room at the Inn for Obama

    Apparently Obama asked the Bushes if they could move into the guesthouse 10 days early and were told that it was booked solid. Now they are scrambling to find somewhere to stay so their girls can make a smooth transition into their new school in January.

    LOL…I loved the title. To bad it isn’t permanent!

  87. Patrick Fitzgerald, Crusader Against Crime
    U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald has a long history of being tough on crime, but critics say his overzealous pursuits sometimes cross the line.

    FOXNews.com

    Friday, December 12, 2008

    Patrick Fitzgerald, the 47-year old Justice Department wunderkind, has taken on corrupt government, terrorists and the mob. And he’s always gotten his man — at least, so far.

    Known to his friends as Fitzy and once named one of the sexiest men alive, he is the Justice Department’s knight in shining armor.

    Now he has Rod Blagojevich in his sights, having capped a three-year investigation with the arrest Tuesday morning of the Illinois governor and his chief of staff. It brought to light what Fitzgerald called “a political corruption crime spree” that brought Illinois politics “to a truly new low.”

    If convicted, Blagojevich will become just one more high-profile name to be brought down by Fitzgerald.

    Shortly after he was appointed U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Illinois in 2001, Fitzgerald launched an investigation that put Illinois’ previous governor, George Ryan, in jail for corruption.

    In 2003 he was named special counsel to investigate the leak of the name of covert CIA employee Valerie Plame, leading to the conviction of Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, on perjury and obstruction of justice charges two years later.

    Before his appointment in Chicago, Fitzgerald spent 13 years as an assistant U.S. attorney in the Southern District of New York, where he helped prosecute the 1993 World Trade Center bombers and four terrorists convicted of bombing U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.

    He gained the reputation of a tough and relentless workaholic who was always on the job. According to a 2002 profile in Chicago Magazine, he didn’t even bother to turn on the gas in his Brooklyn, N.Y., condo because he never went home.

    He did, however, take a break this year to marry 34-year-old Chicago schoolteacher Jennifer Letzkus.

    “In some of these stories he reaches legendary status,” said Patrick Collins, a former assistant U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Illinois who worked with Fitzgerald from 2001 to 2007.

    “He came to us right around 9/11 with a reputation as a hands-on prosecutor’s prosecutor, not someone who sat in his office and waited for people to come to him,” Collins said. “For someone who was running an investigation, he struck a great balance on being supportive, in a way that’s not meddling, in a way that was productive.”

    Collins said Fitzgerald has a buttoned-up personality in public — “very controlled and under control” — but off-camera he’s just a regular guy.

    “In the calm of the office, in the occasional social gatherings that I had with him, he’s very engaging; he’s got a great sense of humor. The Sexiest Man Alive thing was a big joke in the office,” he said.

    People magazine named the Brooklyn-born Fitzgerald to its list of sexiest people in 2005.

    But not everyone is riding the Patrick Fitzgerald love train. Critics called him overzealous in the wake of his prosecution of Libby. During the investigation, he threatened to put two reporters in jail for not saying who revealed Plame’s CIA status to them.

    Judith Miller, a FOX News contributor who at the time worked for the New York Times, refused to reveal her source and spent 85 days in jail.

    Matthew Cooper, a former Time magazine reporter, revealed his source after the source gave him the green light. This week in a blog post called “Dear Governor Blagojevich,” he warned the governor about the prosecutor, calling Fitzgerald a “hard ass, but a reasonable one” and “notoriously single minded.”

    Cooper wrote: “He’s married now, but I’m sure the son of Irish immigrants is still a workaholic, and having convicted what seems like half of Chicago (along with the likes of Scooter Libby and Conrad Black), I don’t think he’s slacking off just because a new president is coming in. I’m sure you know about how tough he is.”

    “I don’t think Fitzgerald is a cruel man,” Cooper continued. “He could have put my big white butt in jail as soon as the first federal judge laughed my case out of court. But he didn’t. He waited for me to make all my appeals to the Supreme Court, which meant putting his incredibly high-profile case on hold for a year. A vengeful prosecutor wouldn’t have done that.”

    Washington lawyer Victoria Toensing said she believes Fitzgerald is overzealous. In a Washington Post op-ed in 2005, she wrote about the prosecution of Libby and questioned whether leaking Plame’s name was even against the law.

    “He didn’t have a crime and he pursued it,” Toensing said of Fitzgerald. “He doesn’t know the color gray, he’s only black or white, and just about everyone but him does wrong.”

    She said Fitzgerald crossed the line this week when he gave his opinion on the Blagojevich case at the Tuesday press conference announcing the governor’s arrest.

    “He did so with Scooter and he repeats it again,” Toensing said. “The rules are the prosecutor is not supposed to talk outside of the four corners of the indictment, and a line like ‘Lincoln would turn over in his grave’ is outside the ethics of a prosecutor.

    “You’re not supposed to be talking beyond what’s in the indictment. He’s supposed to abide by those rules,” she said.

    “He uses his power and the press laps it up, but he abuses his power. I am appalled too at what Blagojevich did, but that’s not for [Fitzgerald] to be able to say. That’s for the rest of us.”
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    I see he was Southern District (Manhattan). That means he got his training under Guilaniani’s successor Benito Romano. They were aggressive and successful against the Mafia. He was also there when Mary Jo White was US Attorney. She was pretty balanced. Victoria Toensing was a Justice Department lawyer under Bush 1 and her husband was US Attorney for Washinton DC. What seems overzealous on the gardens of Georgetown is de rigeur in the windy city where corruption is institutionalized. By those standards Elliott Ness was overzealous too. Capone, Nitti and Dion Obanon would agree.

  88. I love it when I hear people in Chicago say that they are not offended by the corruption that has scarred Chicago throughout its history. It is the way it always has been, always will be and you have to be realistic about this stuff.

    What these hard boiled realists fail to understand is that when you have a corrupt system like this everthing costs more. Why? Put it in the context of the Mafia. If they can extort a builder to pay no show jobs to a union, hire people he does not need, pay more for concerte for an approved provider and all the other shady deals then the cost of the project goes way up and eventually that cost is passed on to consumers in the form of higher goods and services.

    Better to be zealous about this stuff as opposed to blase. But so many of them are ignorant and indifferent. Just like the Obama supporters. The latest is that wack job Haig. As a Junior Officer he served under Mac Arthur and it shows.

  89. .S. S.Ct. rejects another appeal questioning Obama’s citizenship
    Posted: 11:10 AM ET

    From CNN Supreme Court Producer Bill Mears
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    Another example of the corruption of CNN. It was not worth reporting when it was filed but somehow it becomes newsworthy when it is dismissed.

  90. Jan… I read that too about the Bushes kickin the O’s to the curb…..had a good LOL over it 😀

    I will bet the farm that Meesh had a few choice F words to spout herself (she done lernt it from her BFF patty dontchyaknow) LOL 😀

  91. .S. S.Ct. rejects another appeal questioning Obama’s citizenship
    Posted: 11:10 AM ET

    From CNN Supreme Court Producer Bill Mears
    ————————————-
    Dija: when you find out what some of these plaintiffs alleged you can understand why they were dismissed and or not heard. But the Berg case IS coherent and will be harder not to hear. I have not read the opinion of the individual who wrote the opinion in the case below but I seem to recall it was based on the idea that private citizens do not have standing to enforce the eligibility requirements of Article II. That judge sent a terrible message to the people of a country that calls itself a democracy. Let us see what the Supreme Court does with that one. This bullshit that it is working its way through the system tells us nothing about when it will be up for reviewed.

  92. Just in on Fox, Caroline Kennedy is going to seek the seat of Hillary Clinton.

    How much was that one sold for. Looks like the chicago mob wants to take ov er in New York too!

  93. wbboei Says:

    December 15th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
    I love it when I hear people in Chicago say that they are not offended by the corruption that has scarred Chicago throughout its history. It is the way it always has been, always will be and you have to be realistic about this stuff.

    ———————————————

    What a sad state of affairs. They are so worn down by the reoccurrance of said corruption throughout the years that it no longer seems evil or wrong to them.

    Not in any way an equal comparison, but the Germans during WWII suffered from “turning a blind eye” syndrome as well.

  94. Wbboei

    I too don’t think this Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz (08A469) case was the way to go, and thus realize why it was dismissed as well.
    but i do believe that Berg is on the right track with his case and am watching carefully to see where it goes.

    It’s just so maddening that the MSM can report that he has shown his birth certificate [knowing full well he has not] and all the kool aid drinkers are buying it lock stock and barrel as if the MSM has any credibility left.

    what i don’t understand is how can every single judge or anyone else who has “standing” “authority” “power” not seriously take a look at this? how can it be that they all seem willing to be blind to such an injustice; an all out assault on our constitution ??

    WHO has that much power and control????
    WHEN?? did they get that control???
    HOW?? Did they get that control ???
    WHY?? do they have that control and
    for WHAT purpose??

  95. So I assume that Oprahl-lite will be campaigning for her as well? We need to work very hard to ensure that Kennedy doesn’t get anywhere near Hillary’s seat.

  96. Caroline Kennedy has decided she will seek Senate seat appointment.
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    She would not do this unless they saw an opening. The one on the hot seat is Patterson. Perhaps they have promised him something if he sells out the people of New York. I predict a battle here. The Wall Street People may have been bought off by Felix Rohatyn–that is a good guess. He is executor of Kennedys estate with ties to Wall Street. The idea would be he would run the seat through her–since she does not have two nickels to rub together when it comes to brains. But what does this mean to upstate New Yorkers? Is this what democracy is supposed to be about put empty suits out there and let insiders run them. Peter King must be happy about this.

  97. Teddy will most likely feel that the “dynasty” and I use the term lightly will be safely secured for him to retire if good old Caroline is there to keep it going.

  98. We should all start using the name she used for herself up til Spring of this year – Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg.

  99. In light of this development it becomes important for Patterson to call for a special election–just like Chicago. I do not know what the law is but the practicalities dictate that. If my supposition is correct then Bambi has called Patterson and told him do this for me and the old reperbate and when you lose your election I will find you an imporant spot in the administration. That however is supposition and conjecture. It is still remotely possible that Patterson will do the honorable thing namely what is right for New York.

  100. wbboei,

    The precise timing of Tuesday’s dramatic, pre-dawn arrest was not dictated by Fitzgerald, nor was it dictated by the pace of Blagojevich’s alleged “crime spree.” It was dictated by the Chicago Tribune, according to people close to the investigation and a careful reading of the FBI’s affidavit in the case.

    ******
    more on this at: h t t p : / / blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/12/14/the-real-story-behind-the-rushed-blagojevich-bust-how-the-feds-are-frustrated-by-losing-maybe-half-of-their-case/

  101. NewMexicoFan Says:

    December 14th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
    I think that the Reps should see a Special Prosecutor hopefully Fitz as just retalization for what went on in the campaign. Much more effective than taking a key off of the keyboards of all of the computers, which is what the Clinton administration did.
    &&&&&&&&

    Didn’t this turn out to be bogus propaganda perpetuated by the incoming cabal known as the “Bush Administration”??? There was no keyboard tampering (removing W’s from all keyboards), in fact, supposedly the departing Clinton team was very cooperative. “Country first”.

  102. The Kennedy’s have always been associated with the Chicago mob and it is said that the mob is who took out JFK. It seems Uncle Teddy is pulling the strings on the whole thing. Perhaps Fitz can link Blago and gang all the way up to the kingpin Teddy!

  103. Admin, have seen the headlines today at NYT and NYPost? Is she back in the game? Teddy is not going to give up that easily. This is another one of Obama’s pay to play between Teddy, Caroline, and Obama and with no wiretap being necessary.

  104. I wonder who she will get to do all the work for her if we are unfortunate enough to get her as Hillary’s replacement. Then again she will probably take credit for all of Hillary’s work in progress.

  105. wbboei Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
    .S. S.Ct. rejects another appeal questioning Obama’s citizenship

    —————————————-
    Another example of the corruption of CNN. It was not worth reporting when it was filed but somehow it becomes newsworthy when it is dismissed.
    &&&&&&&&

    Precisely.

    Bastids.

  106. You are right, rgb44hrc, when you said:

    “Didn’t this turn out to be bogus propaganda perpetuated by the incoming cabal known as the “Bush Administration”??? There was no keyboard tampering (removing W’s from all keyboards), in fact, supposedly the departing Clinton team was very cooperative. “Country first”.”

  107. This whole thing with Caroline and Obama’s seat reeks of pay to play politics with Uncle Teddy at the helm. His departing wishes, he is supposed to get everything he wants! Caroline will never get my vote for the first woman Prez. NEVER! I have no use for the Kennedy’s. They are all corrupt!

  108. confloyd Says:

    December 15th, 2008 at 3:54 pm,

    ———————————————————–

    Ditto!

  109. I really wish someone in the media would make the comparison of what Blag tried to do…i.e. pay to play and what Obama did with paying the delegates to vote for him.

  110. Idunn Says:

    December 15th, 2008 at 7:47 am
    Am I the only one who finds it EXTREMELY interesting that Blago refuses to resign saying, “There’s more to the story.” ??

    I always wondered if the guy was retarded to be speaking so openly KNOWING Fitz was on his ass. Now, I think perhaps Blago isn’t retarded afterall. He’s setting Bambi up for the fall.
    &&&&&&&&&

    Mmmmmm. That would be delicious.

    Obama stew. Add ingredients into an extremely large pot:

    – “hot water”
    – corrupt pols
    – onions
    – US dollars
    – unspecified future favors
    – clearly delineated immediate favors

    Bring to a boil.

    Serves 300,000,000.

  111. Yeah, Blago knows the longer he can stay in office the more it will hurt Obama and he knows that the pain he and his wife are in are due to Obama. He has probably used them for what they could do for him and now wants to be rid of them. Someone should tell Obama what happened to JFK when he turned on the mob!

  112. Caroline Kennedy is a trust fund baby and novice in the political world. She has avoided it for most of her life. All she could possibly be in that venue is somebodys puppet. Dont we have enough people in the Senate already who are clueless? Do we really need more of them? Are we to make this American Idol? When she hires a public relations firm to advance her candidacy isnt that like buying a seat? Are not there people in New York who have paid their dues and accomplished something for the state who should have priority over her? What kind of message does this send to our children about someone like her with no experience money bags coming into New York? These are just some of the questions raised by a good friend of mine in response to this attempted hijacking.

  113. Big Media worried that Sarah Palin did not have the experience, even though she had been a mayor and popular governor.

    For the sake of consistency they should now apply that same criterion to Caroline Kennedy.

    If they did they would have to admit that what Gertrude Stein said of Oakland is equally true of Caroline: “There is no there there.”

  114. Wbboei,

    ‘It is still remotely possible that Patterson will do the honorable thing namely what is right for New York.’

    Unfortunately, DP’s on the BO team. Before HRC suspended, he made remarks that she was embarrasing herself, she couldn’t win, she should just pack it in (paraphrasing) and also intimated she was trying to hurt BO.

    He made a speech after she suspended that if BO wasn’t elected it would prove the US was racist.
    AND – one of his first acts on assuming the governorship was to make displaying a noose a felony punishable by jail time.

    Maybe I wouldn’t have had such a problem with that if he’d included displays of swastikas and women battering. nope. Only nooses.

    And that was predicated on the scam some Columbia U prof pulled a couple of years accusing racists of hanging nooses on her office door. Turns out she put them there herself.

    So i wouldn’t put much stock in DP.

  115. ‘For the sake of consistency they should now apply that same criterion to Caroline Kennedy.’

    MSM is consistently inconsistent. 👿

    not to mention biased.

  116. I have no use for the Kennedy’s. They are all corrupt!
    —————————-
    Confloyd: I think the Bobby Kennedy side of the family are ethical people and great Americans. That goes for Robert Jr. and Kathleen Townsend. They were Hillary supporters. As for the others I am inclined to agree with you.

  117. So i wouldn’t put much stock in DP.
    ————————————
    I do not. He is weak. The question is who can squeeze him harder.

  118. DO YOU THINK THIS IS JUST MORE PAY TO PLAY?…OBAMA PROTECTION VIA MSM???…I DO

    Chicago Tribune Stopped Working With Prosecutors, Forced Arrest of Ill. Gov. Too Early
    By Warner Todd Huston | December 15, 2008 – 01:57

    Looks like we can possibly thank our meddling media for another possibly bungled investigation, this time over the selling of Barack Obama’s Senate seat by Illinois Governor Rod Blagojavich. According to the Wall Street Journal, the Chicago Tribune was working with Fitzgerald’s office on the investigation but decided to stop doing so in favor of printing the sensational story they were sitting on. This forced the arrest early so that the paper wouldn’t blow the whole investigation.

    The story everyone thought they knew was that Fitzgerald moved when he did to stop a crime about to be committed. But, the WSJ reports that this isn’t the case. Apparently the WSJ found that members of Fitzgerald’s team wanted to let things roll for a little while longer so that they could catch the actual selling of the Senate seat with Governor Blagojevich, his facilitators and who ever was going to try to buy the seat all on the tape at once. But, the Chicago Tribune informed the prosecutors that they wouldn’t wait any longer to put off publishing their story on the investigation. Once the Trib reported on the investigation, it was over for Fitzgerald and his folks for the investigative phase of the case.

    http://www.newsbusters.org/

  119. SHOOT……… admin…… i forgot to remove the http off my last post and is now stuck in moderation
    can you send it through…thanks! 😀

  120. Representative Presents Proof of Citizenship Bill
    Reported by: RNS

    Saturday, Dec 13, 2008 @08:42am CST

    Republican Representative Mike Ritzehas introduced a bill requiring candidates who file for office in Oklahoma to show proof of citizenship.

    The idea came about from the controversy around whether President-elect Barack Obama meets the U.S. Constitutions citizenship requirements.

    Ritze’s bill requires all candidates, running for any office, to show a copy of a certified birth certificate as well as driver’s license or other government-issued identification upon registering with the Election Board.

    Currently, candidates must only sign an affidavit stating they are registered voters. Ritze doesn’t think Obama’s submitted birth certificate is authentic.

    The U.S. Supreme Court wouldn’t hear a challenge of Obama’s electoral eligibility Monday, but more challenges are pending. The certificate Obama has shown reflects a birthdate and place of August 4th, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii.

    arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/news/?cid=165111

  121. wbboei,

    hehehehe. ‘remotely’ is right.

    GAWD I am getting depressed all over again, watching BO dodge the Blago-ball, blithely shedding former confidantes; rahmbo-the-dead-fish-0monger, judas, blogo, and now the rumors of a CK power play….

    Wake me up in 2012. 👿

  122. geeesh……. ADMIN!!

    i was dumb…..I have a post i forgot to remove the H t t p from the web address that is stuck in moderation
    can you please send it through……thanks! 😀

  123. DAMN! I’m listening to statements BO made about blogogate and he is stammering and stuttering like crazy!
    NOW he says he wants to cooperate with Fitz and let them finish theri investigation and won’t release info about his staff’s converstions (if any) with Blago until next week as per Fitz’s request.

    Oh yeah. another Friday-night feint – release the bad news on fitzmas eve!

    Guys, BO sounds like he has alzheimers in those remarks. if he takes that long to answer questions from Iran, Russia, NK . . . . we are so screwed!

    OMG – just heard a kennedy nephew (Quinn?) has his eye on the Ill governorship.

  124. Basil, that’s how you know when the bastard is slicing and dicing his words…the ” uh uh uh’s ” . They show up in droves every single time he is unsure of himself or what he wants to say.

    What I can’t get beyond though is Blago. Why the hell would he talk so openly KNOWING Fitz is on his ass?? Doesn’t make sense. No-one is THAT stupid…not EVEN Hot Rod. My take? He knows he’s in deep shit (even BEFORE the senate gate thing) and he’s setting up Obama for Fitz’s hammer in order to cut a deal. Guarantee it.

  125. rgb44hrc

    Thank you very much for a sane approach to these kinds of rumors, some of which STILL run along the lines of Hillary filled her pantsuit pockets with the new sterling flatware purchased by we, the taxpayers…and, the White House French antique furniture was just enough to furish the downstairs rooms of Hillary’s new home.

    I gagged then at the perpetrators of this kind of crap, and do so now, again.

    There was No furniture theft, NO office tampering, NO equipment sabotage, NO theft of files. Indeed there were 1000’s of hours of free transition assistance from Clinton staff to GWB…a man who stood at the side while some of his minions made false statements to the press about the Rape of the People’s House by the Clinton Pirates, and others “verified the sordid details” that had been made up by Maureen Dowd types.

    Can you tell I’m still mad?

    Obama better watch his step…he has a habit of standing by and allowing crap to happen – not good for a man who wants more than anything to make history.

  126. # Idunn Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
    What I can’t get beyond though is Blago. Why the hell would he talk so openly KNOWING Fitz is on his ass?? Doesn’t make sense. No-one is THAT stupid…not EVEN Hot Rod. My take? He knows he’s in deep shit (even BEFORE the senate gate thing) and he’s setting up Obama for Fitz’s hammer in order to cut a deal. Guarantee it.
    *************
    Blago also screwed up Fitz’s time table for building the case. Blago may have sprung the trap on himself…Fitz was not happy to arrest him at this time…too soon.

  127. I find such interesting comments here, well drawn out,thoughtful, and so apropo. I find myself in agreement with Idunn, djia, wobbei, and all the others.

    Blagosonabitch is priming his pump to let the water rise to a tsunami of corruption – get a heavy raincoat Fitz. Peronally, after all we have been through as HRC supporters, I can not wait.

  128. # Idunn Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
    What I can’t get beyond though is Blago. Why the hell would he talk so openly KNOWING Fitz is on his ass?? Doesn’t make sense. No-one is THAT stupid…not EVEN Hot Rod. My take? He knows he’s in deep shit (even BEFORE the senate gate thing) and he’s setting up Obama for Fitz’s hammer in order to cut a deal.

    ***********************
    I’m having trouble getting past this idea of “how stupid could he be?” Just what if …Bo was briefed or heard what was going on…had Blago tipped off( he’s screwed now anyway) and told to say what he did about only getting “appreciation” from Bo! That sounded too fishy to me! It could be just an act! and Bo promised to take care of him somehow…down the road!

  129. Some observations on the Caroline “announcement”:

    1) I don’t think this means she’s a frontrunner for the seat, or even close. Otherwise, there’s no point in her launching a public campaign. Besides, is this even news? It’s just a rehash of what we heard a week ago.

    2) I believe this is simply an effort on the part of the Kennedy clan to pressure Paterson to pick her, and nothing more. And I’m guessing Paterson isn’t too thrilled about it.

  130. Idunn,

    Remember how we never ‘got’ wtf the koolaid intoxicated bots found so ‘inspirational’ about BO’s oratorical skills?
    I’ve heard him sound pretty weak but what I just sensed in his voice (listening to radio) makes him sound frail, brittle, like he’s about to splinter into shreds.

    Or is that just wishful thinking? I don’t remember ever hearing him quite this bad.

  131. When the Bolsheviks overthrew the Kerensky Government and initiated their reign of terror, a British agent named Sidney Reilly organized a coup with the Latvian guard who guarded Kremlin, white Russian forces and the a planned British landing at Archangel. It all would have come together fine, and the misery that ensued that cost the lives of ten million people would have been avoided but for one small detail. A French JOURNALIST who decided to write a story about the plot, which caused it to be aborted, the conspirators were shot or hung by Felix Dzserezinky head of the Cheka.

    I know it is an obscure point but I did think of that when I read the Wall Street Journal account of why Patrick Fitzgerald moved when he did. Loose lips sink ships–hopefully not in this case. There was no compelling public right to know at that specific moment. So why did they do it then. My earlier assumption was it was due to their financial woes but who can say.

  132. Maybe Blago gamed the gamers, pre-sprung the trap, threw in a cheese ball to set off the mouse trap…forced them to move up their timetables, and possibly invalidate their case against him. And if he can successfully portray it as a flawed witch hunt (which we saw with the Gov. of Arkansas, who was truly framed), he just might retain his governorship and cling to power. Granted, his political life has now drastically changed for the worse, but who knows.

    Vewwwy, vewwwy intewesting.

  133. Some observations on the Caroline “announcement”:

    1) I don’t think this means she’s a frontrunner for the seat, or even close. Otherwise, there’s no point in her launching a public campaign. Besides, is this even news? It’s just a rehash of what we heard a week ago.

    2) I believe this is simply an effort on the part of the Kennedy clan to pressure Paterson to pick her, and nothing more. And I’m guessing Paterson isn’t too thrilled about it.
    ——————————————
    Paula: I like your analysis.

  134. djia Says:

    December 15th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
    DO YOU THINK THIS IS JUST MORE PAY TO PLAY?…OBAMA PROTECTION VIA MSM???…I DO

    Chicago Tribune Stopped Working With Prosecutors, Forced Arrest of Ill. Gov. Too Early

    * * * * * * *
    YES.

  135. Somebody has got to ask bambi to define the word uh uh uh. Since he is a gifted orator and he uses the word so bloody often it needs to be in Websters dictionary. My assumption is that it means I did it, I am guilty, take me away.

  136. basil9 Says:

    December 15th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
    DAMN! I’m listening to statements BO made about blogogate and he is stammering and stuttering like crazy!
    &&&&

    Obama’s consistently concise, cool, calm, coherent, intelligent phrasing lets us rest assured that he is:

    * innocent of any wrong doing
    * a “master politician”
    * perhaps the Smartest Person Alive
    * extremely well-prepared
    * able to think on his feet; Who needs a teleprompter when it’s all right up here (points to head)?
    * to be trusted to be steward of US foreign policy and fight terrorists

    Yup, a freakin’ genius.

    To quote his recent speech: “uh, um, er, what i mean to, uh, say,…um, is that…Hillary is right…about this topic”.

  137. From NoQuarter:

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/12/15/barack-obama-i-investigated-myself-and-i-decided-i-am-innocent/

    Barack Obama: “I Investigated Myself, and I Decided I Am Innocent”

    That is what I glean from an article entitled “Obama: Review shows no inappropriate contact”. I quote:

    CHICAGO – President-elect Barack Obama said Monday a review by his own lawyer shows he had no direct contact with Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich about the appointment of a Senate replacement, and transition aides “did nothing inappropriate.”

    In other words, Obama has mimicked George Bush’s behavior in the wake of the Bush administration’s bungled response to Hurricane Katrina: he will investigate himself and his staff, and he will decide whether he and his staff engaged in any misconduct. Bush was rightly and roundly criticized for deciding he would be the one to “investigate himself.” How odd it is that the chorus of government critics who raised their voices in 2005 is silent now that Barack Obama has decided that George Bush’s version of transparency is the model to follow. Does anyone seriously believe Obama’s attorney would claim Obama and his staff are guilty of engaging in inappropriate discussions with Governor Rod Blagojevich about the Senate seat Obama vacated? Does Obama believe we are that easily duped?

    It gets better. I quote again:

    Obama said he is prepared to make the review public, but decided to hold off because prosecutors asked for a delay and “I don’t want to interfere with an ongoing investigation.”

    Transparency, in other words, was and will remain a campaign promise. Any excuse, including that of an “ongoing investigation,” will be cited in order to shirk any form of accountability. Because the investigation of his office’s conduct is independent of the investigation of Patrick Fitzgerald, one would assume it would not interfere with the federal probe. After all, it was Obama who on Thursday stated the following:

    I am confident that no representatives of mine would have any part of any deals related to this seat. I think the materials released by the U.S. attorney reflect that fact.

    If he truly believed the documents Fitzgerald and the FBI issued last week confirmed he and his staff were in no way entangled with Blagojevich’s attempts to secure kickbacks for Obama’s vacant Senate seat, he would release information compiled by his attorney. For he and staff do not, if I may quote Obama, “have any part of the deals related to this seat.” I hope he clarifies this at his next news conference.

    Let us continue to read the article. I quote:

    Controversy has swirled around the president-elect and his incoming White House chief of staff, Rep. Rahm Emanuel, following Blagojevich’s arrest last week on charges he schemed to trade Obama’s Senate seat for personal gain.

    Obama, fielding questions at a news conference, sidestepped when asked whether Emanuel had spoken with aides to the governor.

    Emanuel was one of several aides who watched the news conference from the wings.

    Was Obama’s staff engaging in inappropriate conduct with Blagojevich or not? Why is Obama incapable of answering reporters’ questions about Rahm Emanuel’s confirmed conversations and written correspondences with Blagojevich’s Chief of Staff Mike Harris and the other operatives whose words are recorded in the Criminal Complaint filed by Special Agent of the FBI David Cain? Is Rahm Emanuel not Obama’s Chief of Staff? And why is Rahm Emanuel ducking reporters? Why is he present at a press conference when he is not answering reporters’ questions? Moreover, why is the President-elect who claims to be transparent unresponsive when asked about his Chief of Staff’s confirmed communications with Rod Blagojevich’s staff? What about the list of candidates Obama approved that was handled by Emanuel? Will Obama hold Emanuel accountable, or will Obama continue to instruct Emanuel to avoid reporters? Is this change in which those who desire transparency in government can believe? Or is opacity the new transparency?

    Here is the penultimate paragraph of the news article:

    The president-elect pledged the results of the investigation by his incoming White House counsel, Gregory Craig, would be released “in due course.”

    What is “due course?” May we have a date? And why are we expected to believe that your future White House counsel, Gregory Craig, conducted a thorough investigation? Are we expected to simply believe you? And why is anyone expected to accept your pledge as sincere? Did you not renege pledge after pledge both during the primary and the general election? And how are we to take the investigation conducted by your future White House counsel seriously when we learn this in the final paragraph of the article?

    He said the probe was complete and thorough, but did not say which of his aides Craig interviewed, whether any of them was under oath at the time, or any other details.

    In other words, we have no idea if an actual investigation was conducted: so much for Obama’s intention to run an open and transparent government. Or maybe he will arbitrarily deem his secretive tactics transparent, and all the reporters and mindless drones who support him will stupidly nod their vacuous heads in slavish agreement.

  138. The above has hyperlinks if you go to the url. As for the main article (at the top), its link is:

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081215/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama

  139. BTW,

    Caught this at another blog.

    PEBO’s Monday presser:
    Reporter: “Mr. Present-Elect, when can people expect to see jobs created?”
    PEBO: “I have no crystal ball.”
    Wow that’s leadership! He sounded tired and cranky.
    apparently he really said that.

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