History Is A Teacher

History is a teacher.

Flim-Flam men fear history.

Good citizens learn from history.

We were reminded of the importance of keeping the history of the 2008 election cycle fresh and remembered, not forgotten, during the past week.

In the past week we were flooded with emails from readers who could not access comments on this site and in some cases could not access the site at all. Many felt isolated but more importantly they were concerned about missed posts and comments documenting the occassionaly ugly parade of history. Some of those that post comments wanted to share in the conversation regarding the events of the day and found themselves unable to do so. [n.b., those access problems are now resolved.]

Some that found themselves unable to comment wanted two particular stories discussed and not forgotten.

The first story was the possibility of Chris Matthews running for the Senate from Pennsylvania.

The long history of Matthews’ misogyny and ugly conduct towards Hillary Clinton is an historical fact not to be forgotten.

The issue of a Big Media blowhard who debased our elections and continues to do so from behind a television network desk is another historical fact not to be forgotten.

Phil Singer, formerly of the Hillary Clinton campaign said:

So when one of the network’s most visible anchors is reported to be exploring a run for elected office, the network has an obligation to remove that person from its airwaves. At the very least, it must disclose any and all deliberations and actions being taken by that person to explore a run.

Media Matters has documented the conflict of interest of Big Media Matthews remaining as a broadcast warped personality.

Noting the interview question raised by Singer, Huffington Post political reporter Jason Linkins wrote the same day that “Singer should take a peek at some of Matthews’ interviews with Rendell from over the past year! They are highlighted by a lot of gooey ass-kissing.”

Indeed, examples over the past year of Matthews’ gushing over Rendell during interviews with the governor or when talking about him are numerous, and include the following:

The list is too long and too nauseating to enumerate here.

Politico published several articles discussing the preparations by Matthews for a potential run and that perhaps the election talk is just a ruse to get more money from the mess that is NBC.

The DC gossip Wonkette, thinks a Matthews run is “doomed” (and takes another East Coast gratuitous slap at Governor Palin):

However, Matthews is destined to lose because he is always running off at the mouth, plus he is insane, and nobody wants a spit-speckled maniac for a senator unless they are from Alaska. But that won’t stop Chris Matthews!

It is the historical record and work from many Hillary supporters that will doom Matthews. We do and will remember. History is our teacher.

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The other related story that is to be examined is the Caroline Kennedy grab at the Senate seat held by Hillary Clinton.

Leave aside the historical fact that Caroline Kennedy has been lightly, but not particularly engaged in the issues of the day, aside from cavorting with Uncle Ted and Barack Obama, for several decades.

Whatever happened to dynasty? Dynasty, not the old television show, but the issue of dynasty. It was the issue of dynasty that so consumed PINO Big Blogs and other assorted Hillary Haters earlier this election cycle.

On May 7, 2007 we wrote The Hillary Clinton Dynasty :

The dynasty argument is silly on its face, but it is actually much more pernicious and sophisticated than it appears to be. [snip]

The origin of this “dynasty” argument, as in most things anti-Clinton, has its roots in Republican strategy. In 1994 Democrats had controlled Congress for 40 years. Newt Gingrich was determined to get as many Republicans elected as possible and end the 40 wise years in which Americans kept Republicans from controlling congress. Newt Gingrich and his rabid band of Arriana Huffingtons knew that if they were to take over the congress they needed a gimmick to get them to that majority. Newt and his Republicans came up with a truly novel idea: get rid of experienced lawmakers. They called their gimmick “term limits”.

The idea behind term limits was to blast loose as many Democrats from political office as possible and break the 40 year Democratic grip on power.

The Republicans abandoned their calls for term limits as soon as they were in power. It was Obama and the Dimocrats who waged the war against experience this election cycle in full imitation of George W. Bush.

The Republican attack on experienced lawmakers for their own political advantage is now a tool employed by fake “progressives” for their political and financial advantage.

Many of the fake “progressives” picking up pitchforks to attack Hillary obviously support other candidates. The big blog owners have financial stakes in bringing Hillary down and in increasing their influence in politics. Like the 1994 Republicans screaming for “new blood” these fake progressives are interested in promoting their political power over the interests of Democratic voters.

We noted then and note today

We do find it interesting that now that the first likely woman president is running that Republicans and fake “progressives” have discovered the evils of dynasty. Are there any functioning dynasties in America today and should they stay in business? Should we throw out these dynasties?

Whether it is the Rockefellers or the Udall men not one shout of “dynasty” has been heard. Now we have Caroline Kennedy coveting a Senate perch and eyes grow misty. Not a word is heard about dynasty or restoration.

Chris Matthews too would follow in his brother’s footsteps, but no word is heard at NBC/MSNBC about dynasty.

Many want to forget historical facts and want us to stop remembering.

But for us, History is our teacher.

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113 thoughts on “History Is A Teacher

  1. Whew! I am fianally back on. I missed everyone, and all the comments. I will have to go back to read what i have missed.

  2. The long history of Matthews’ misogyny and ugly conduct towards Hillary Clinton is an historical fact not to be forgotten.

    The issue of a Big Media blowhard who debased our elections and continues to do so from behind a television network desk is another historical fact not to be forgotten.
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    Admin. excellent as always!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Here is a small fraction of the supporting evidence on Matthews. If he runs we will make a pinata out of him. He will be ruined. Here is my take on this degenerate and his associates.
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    From 2007 to early 2008 MSNBC pundit Chris Matthews launched a steady barrage of sexist attacks against presidential candidate and US Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    The record is replete with examples, but in one series of tirades he called her a witch, a castrator, and a she-devil.

    When he finally got the vaudeville hook they assigned the role of attacking Hillary to another pundit Keith Olberman, a known degenerate. Thus, it wasn’t long before Olberman was saying naughty things like someone should take Hillary into a room and only one come out, i.e. physically beat her into quitting the race.

    Not to be outdone, the village idiot David Shuster accused Hillary and Bill of pimping out Chelsie. When Hillary wrote a letter to MSNBC protesting this attack on her daughter, he received a two week suspension and network staffers expressed sympathy for him. What this shows is that MSNBC has a culture of misogyny.

  3. HuzzaH! We are back in communication at last!! It has been so awful out here in lonely land that we almost got desperate enough to watch tv (No, not really). “Tis great to be back and see wbboei in high feather, flogging the mute and halt Bots and their excremental leader. Hope, Change, Crap…..
    Great stuff wbboei.

  4. If Matthews has the gall to run in my state as a “Democrat”, it will be a profound pleasure to work against him. At the same time the thought of supporting a pustule like Arlen Spector has rather little appeal. Reminds me of the recent presidential election – which thug/hypocrite to support? Elections are becoming numbingly familiar in that we are faced with voting for one lousy person or the other lousy person. The real shame is that there are so few first class people like the Clintons who are willing to subject themselves to the ignominy of what is laughingly called the political system. How do we recruit really able people in this environment?

  5. Emjay–Admin reminds us of what we must never forget. Everyone who was alive then remembers where they were when they received the news.

    My dad was young naval officer (USN). He had been through flight school and washed out. He was the second worst navigator in the world–I am first. So naturally the navy(BUPERS) assigned him to a job he was well qualified for: to teach navigation to air cadets at the Univ. of Miama.

    It wasn’t as bad as it sounds. They had alot of spare time on their hands as they waited for the war to begin. So they would fly down to Gitmo and bring back cases of Bicardi and a wonderful Cuban cigar which I have never been able to find called a Belinda Belvedere. He played alot of golf at the Boca Raton Golf Course. Life was good. But it was not destined to last.

    On December 7 he and another naval officer went to see a movie in downtown Miami. When they walked out of the theatre they got the news that Pearl Harbor had been bombed. One guy told them that navy officers like them would be the first to get killed.

    Despite that dire prediction, he continued in the training billet for the the early part of the war. Then one day he was teeing off at Boca Raton and hit into the group in front of them. It was an accident. But the wife of the commanding officer happened to be playing in that group and she was not happy.

    She was a bit of a case anyway because when she would enter a room, the wives of the junior officers would have to come to attention. Apparently she had fought valliantly in the Crimean War to rate that sort of treatment.

    The very next day he the Commanding Officer cut orders sending him to sea. And, as luck would have it, he was not sent to just any vessel but to most decorated ship of the war–the USS Enerprise (CV-6). It had been Halseys flag ship and was involved in every major battle of the war except for the Battle of the Coral Sea.

    He rendesvoused with the Enterprise at Peal Harbor. She was achored off shore. He and an admiral took a small craft out to the vessel. The Admiral turned to him and said Ensign doesn’t it feel great to feel the sea spray in your face.? Of course he lied. No Bicardi Rum and Belinda Belvederes where he was going.

  6. We do find it interesting that now that the first likely woman president is running that Republicans and fake “progressives” have discovered the evils of dynasty. Are there any functioning dynasties in America today and should they stay in business? Should we throw out these dynasties
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    Admin, right again. The hypocracy of these faux progressives mindboggling. What we are talking about is experience and service to the country. This dynasty talk is a diversionary issue. The danger to our liberty emanates from the mind control, threats, censorship and fraud Obama operatives have introduced into the system. Eventually, they will turn on the party as well.

  7. Admin,

    That clip is a poignant reminder of what is important. As tragic as it was, it also made me think of Hillary talking with the Israeli government just this past weekend. She will carry the torch and carry it proudly.

  8. gonzotx Says:
    December 7th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
    When did this site go private?

    =========================

    It’s not supposed to be. Technical glitches are keeping some of us regulars out! The techies are working on it.

    In the meantime try a different browser, or just keep trying….

  9. The dynasty charge was never valid against Hillary because she is brilliant in her own right and had job substantial job related experience in government at all levels. related experience in addition to family name.

    The dynasty charge is fully applicable against Caroline Kennedy however because she has neither the demonstable intellect not job related experience in government to justify an appointment. She is merely trading on her family name, and that aint nearly enough.

  10. “She is merely trading on her family name, and that aint nearly enough.”

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    Amen! Then again, why shouldn’t she carry on her Uncle Teddy’s corrupt legacy?

    There are dynasties…and then there are dynasties that give dynasties a bad name. 😉

  11. Slideshow: Condoleezza Rice Play Video Video: New vision of Mumbai terror released Australia 7 News Play Video Video: Sec. Rice on Terrorism and Iraq ABC News WASHINGTON – Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice says Hillary Rodham Clinton will do a great job as Barack Obama’s top diplomat.

    Rice says Clinton is intelligent, loves the United States and has faith in the country’s values. Rice says Obama has made a fine choice in picking the next secretary of state.

    Rice says diplomacy has changed a great deal and that much of it is done in the field rather than the halls of government. Rice also says it’s a challenge to manage the tens of thousands of people worldwide who work for the State Deparment.

    She made her comments on ABC’s “This Week” and “Fox News Sunday.”
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    Emjay: didn’t you say Rice said other good things about Hillary and that they would stay in close touch?

    But somehow it managed to slip the mind of the annonomos AP writer. Accuracy + completeness is not their strong suit. I bet they are looking for a taxpayer bailout too.

    We now know why the owner of the Tribune (which owns the Los Angeles Times) refused to release the video of bambi toasting terrorists.
    Now, Bambi owes him one.

    The question is whether Bambi will use our chips to cover it. Would you? Hell I am easy. Zinn can have his bailout money just as soon as hell freezes over, and not a moment sooner.

    As you can see I am getting more civilized in my old age. In my youth (a week ago) I might have said something untoward like sell the Chicago Cubs you asshole or something wreckless like fuck him and the horse he rode in on.

    Bless his heart. (That bud is for you Emjay).

  12. Breaking News Alert
    The New York Times
    Sunday, December 7, 2008 — 6:11 PM ET
    —–

    Tribune Tries to Stave Off Bankruptcy Filing

    The newspaper company has hired bankruptcy advisers in an
    effort to stave off a potential bankruptcy filing, people
    briefed on the matter said.

    Read More:
    http://www.nytimes.com/?emc=na
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    Which leaves us with only one pertinent question: what is to become of Obama shill Clarence Page? I suppose he could make a living writing pulp fiction for obama–like he has been doing at the Tribune for the last two years. But who would wan to buy it? If he wants a job recommendation I would be glad to give him one: Clarence you should endeavor to persevere.

  13. wbboei says, “if Chris Matthews runs, we’ll make a pinata out of him”, lol.

    I’ll stand in line to take a whack if someone will hold him still and give me a really big bat, lol.

    I never knew he was from PA until I had heard it here a while back.

    I for one, will work against him. I detest him.

  14. Right on bluegirl.

    Matthews is a poor excuse for a human being.

    But his handlers (Capus and Griffin) pay him 5 millon dollars a year to be the idiot he is.

    These corporate executives are the real culprits. Remember what happened when the women raised hell with coward Capus?

    The did a bait and switch. Goodby Tweetie. Hello Mad Dog Keith Olberstrumfuerher.

    A full blown homicidal maniac.

    If there is one thing I know it is corporate executives. Been there. Done that. That is where the fault for this should rest.

    Capus and Griffin. The others are just puppets. If they did not exist they would have to invent them.

    But when he runs bluegirl I will be there with you. We will make sure he regrets the day he was ever born, and certainly the day he ran for office.

    Somewhere I have a copy of all the terrible things Matthews said about Hillary. We can probably get Paul to help us do a video or two.

    Matthews deserves a pinata party.

  15. Bluegirl: one other thought on the matter.

    When I was in West Virginia I saw Hillary first at the flower garden in downtown and later at the auditorium to deliver her victory speech. To say she was radiant would be an understatement.

    Terry McCaliff was there. So were Ted Dansen Mary Steamburgen–very nice people. Dont recall seeing Bill. I was just a voluteer–not a big shot. But Terry was so anxious to know about turnout–we needed a big turnout. I think he asked me three times. We did not canvass neigborhoods in that state so it was mostly phone work.

    We got a big turnout in West Virginia and we won by 41%. The Governor of the state Joe Machion had promised to endorse the winner of the primary. He never did. If he had followed through on his promise then it might have meant something since he was or was soon to be head of the governors association–which was Bills strength through the DLC. It was a tell.

    I got anxious and tried to put some heat on local people. They were afraid to press the issue. I pushed them and they told me he was mafia–his real last name is apparently mancini. I told them that story was bullshit and I would check it out with people I know.

    Then the story changed. The bottom line was Manchion had been given the word. So he ignored the will of the people and his own word. I wanted to go for his throat but had no leverage. And I knew Hillary would not go against the party.

    When all this was going on I ran into a reporter for the Baltimore Sun. He was maybe in his 30s. He knew I was a Hillary suppporter and wanted to play the what if game–like what if bambi got the nomination–would we support him? Cold day in hell is what I told him.

    But then we got into a surreal discussion. I told him big media was in Axelrods pocket and the control point was above the editors. I cited him chapter and verse.

    But he insisted that the bias was individual reporters and they were under no pressure to write stories how the editors wanted. I thought at the time he was naive, but in hindsight it was clear that he was simply a bot. Which is to say naiive and delusional and willing to lie.

  16. ABM 90: where for art thou? Where were you on December 7, 1941? Still working at the steel factory?

    Loved that story. We do not learn very well in this country so we. We help Japan and they turn around and attack us with the technology and munitions we gave them. Ditto with Huessein and Mojasdin. And our young men and women pay price so the capitalists can have their castles by the sea. It remindes you of the figure Undershaft in the George Bernard Shaw play Major Barbara who is a dedicated Salvation Army worker who is busy trying to save the world while her father is equally busy trying to destroy it as a munitions dealer.

  17. Hello All. I am working to catch up on everything and my reading here. I was back in my home state for three weeks due to illness of my brother.
    I am glad to get back home and to my own bed – and to blogging.

    I can see clearly now, the puzzle is almost complete. Could it be that Hillary was to be routed out of the senate because CAROLINE wanted her senate seat? I wonder.

    Hillary will be the most excellent choice for any post and would serve with vim, vigor, and faithfully. And she will make the greatest Secretary of State. But is this what SHE sought or something SHE wanted?

    I admire Bill even more for doing all that he has to ‘help’ our Hillary function well in her new role. And…….I have asked many times before, where is Chelsea?

  18. “I can see clearly now, the puzzle is almost complete. Could it be that Hillary was to be routed out of the senate because CAROLINE wanted her senate seat? I wonder.”

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    That is what I think. Ted Kennedy is behind this, all the way.

    Short Termer, Chelsea is going to school at Columbia, working on a Master’s in Public Health.

  19. Birdgal, thanks for the info on Chelsea, but it was not a literal question. There is a microscopic grain of doubt or something that has me believing that the gyrations that nObama is having Hill and Bill go through since he conquered them relates to Chelsea’s well being.

    It was the Director of the Republican Headquarters that stated that Obama had ‘conquered’ Bill [and Hillary] Clinton, the unspoken signal was Bill wearing a matching tie to Obama, sort of like the underground railroad signals in times of old. She was AA and had also been a Hillary Clinton supporter and the thought has been simmering in my head ever since. A perceived threat on Chelsea would cause Hill and Bill to do all the somersaults we have witenessed- and there have been many.

  20. That is what I think. Ted Kennedy is behind this, all the way.

    Short Termer, Chelsea is going to school at Columbia, working on a Master’s in Public Health.
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    Birdgal: he is not that smart, he doesnt have that long to live, she could have said no and that would have been that. This is the assignment she wants after weighing the equities. And it was not the deal O wanted to give her.

    As far as the senate job is concerned there are native New Yorkers who have superior claims. Remember what RGB said yesterday–the financial interests in New York will not countenance a lightweight for that job. I believe that is right.

    I am no fan of Patterson but he undertands that much. Look at the New York Post article noted above which characterizes her claim as a long shot–because that is exactly what it is.

    Cuomo may well get the job.

  21. Shortermer: I meant the above for you as well. You can worry about that possibility if you want to but I reall think it is a mirage. Now once Hillary decided she wanted the sos job and her senate job became available once she is confirmed then of course he Teddie weighed in for Caroline, but he was not the source of this or the original instigator.

  22. Thankgoodness, I can see everybody again. Its a horrible way to spend a work night, not being able to see you all’s comments. Lots of stuff going on with the SC, of coarse we all know that BO has been selected by some private individuals that just happen to own the United Stated of America and others to be our President. I don’t believe the SC will change the travesty that has taken place against our constitution. I believe our constitution is merely papers to be remembered for the historical content and NOTHING else. We have been taken over with out a shot being fired! Glad we are back up admin, btw, the last two articles have been great!

  23. wobboei, what makes you think that Hillary wanted the SOS job and that BO did not want to give her the deal of SOS? I have been away and if this was discussed earlier I missed it.

  24. Shorttermer: I think we can safely assume that Hillary was disappointed in the reaction she received when she returned to the senate, and the fact that she did not get to head up health care as she wanted after she campaigned hard for the ticket. You can blame Teddy for that part of it. But there were other issues as well.

    I think she had to weigh the equities and decide where her efforts are best spent. The obama campaign put out the sos story to foster the unity pony meme and never believed it would be accepted or Bill would vet or Bill would agree to restrict his activities.

    Obama did not want to give her a high profile job like that one because he is an egomaniac. Jan talked about Occams razor–he selected her because she was the most qualified. He had to be convinced by forces within his campaign, the party and overseas. I have been told that as well.

    Not surprisingly, big media is livid–Matthews said we thought we were through with the Clintons and even today Dana Priest of WashPo was bitching about it today according to Emjay. I was disappointed since I had thought better of Priest.

  25. Confloyd: I agree with you on this. Most people would if they thought about it. You may remember the story about the secret meeting that took place in Jeckyl Island in 1908, where the elites of the Industrial Age–Ford, Rockafeller, Morgan met secretly and set up the Federal Reserve System primarily to protect themselves. That is what has happened in this election. Way back when I came across some good research that traced this back to Soros, but I was assured by the researcher that he was merely a front man. I posted that stuff right here–names and dates Obama met with them. I too would like to know who these people are and what their agenda is. One way or another they are out to protect themselves–of that you can be sure.

  26. The elites had obama as their stealth candidate for 2012 or 2016. I think they accelerated him for one of two reasons: i) to protect the common market structure based on free trade, or ii) shock doctrine. For that they needed a puppet like Obama rather than a thinking populist like Hillary who would protect the American People. That is my conjecture.

  27. wbboei, they want an American Ido type, they had it with George Bush, the cowboy from Texas, Barack obama, the eloquent black speaker and for the future Caroline the daughter of the martyred President. That is all they want and they have the money and the media to make them winners. The American people need to pull the head out their asses and start reading about these people. Of coarse, I think its too late, we have already been taken over!

  28. confloyd
    I wonder if it has always been like this. The internet and especially the mainstream blogging is a relatively new phenomenon. I relied on The New York Times and the Utne reader without question. Niave. Absolutely.

  29. I wonder if it has always been like this. The internet and especially the mainstream blogging is a relatively new phenomenon. I relied on The New York Times and the Utne reader without question. Niave. Absolutely.
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    Henry-they have gotten worse.

  30. Confloyd: since SCOTUS is on your mind this was Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. It stuck me because it sounds like a modern neo lib construct even though he wrote it in 1913:

    “If I am right it will be a slow process for our people to reach rational views, assuming that we are allowed to work peacefully to that end. But as I grow older I grow calm. If I feel what are perhaps an old man’s apprehensions that competition from new races will cut deeper than working men’s disputes and will test whether we can hang together and fight; if I fear that we are running through the world’s resources at a pace that cannot keep, I do not lose my hopes. I do not pin my dreams for the future on my country or even to my race. I think it probable that civilization will last as long as I care to look ahead–perhaps with smaller numbers but perhaps bred to greatness and spendor by science. I think it not improbable that man like the grub that prepares the winged thing it has never seen but is to be–that man may have cosmic destinies he does not understand. And so beyond the vision of battling races and an impoverished earth I catch the dreaming glimpse of peace.”

    H.L. Menken described common law judges as mere rabinical automotons with as much mental give and take as a scotch terrier watching a rathole. Holmes was different. He was a civil war hero, and was the closest we had to a philosopher king on the court which is why we still pay attention to him today.

    We shall see what tommorrow brings on the birth certificate issue–a rabinical automaton or a philosopher king.

  31. Admin: I love your subtle touch as 10:09 and 10:17 your (my) comment is awaiting moderation. As a matter of fact it is classic.

  32. ShortTermer Says: A perceived threat on Chelsea would cause Hill and Bill to do all the somersaults we have witenessed- and there have been many.
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    I don’t think that fits the timing or their behavior. They SLOWLY escalated their support. At any first threat to Chelsea, they would have either caved once and for all, or more likely gone ballistic, gotten Chelsea out of the country, etc etc. “Be my Sec of State or your daughter gets it”? That’s nonsense.

    What does fit the timing, the escalation, is what we’ve seen: Obama appointing ‘Clinton’s third term.’ Every time Obama saw the polls going against him, he promised the Clintons another pound of flesh, which they later collected (and will continue collecting, I hope).

  33. wbboei Says:
    December 8th, 2008 at 3:46 am
    The elites had obama as their stealth candidate for 2012 or 2016.
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    Evidence, search Chi Trib profile for “2010-2012-2016 plan”.

  34. turndownobama, I pray you are correct, that Bill and Hillary have them by the huevos, I sure as heck like that better than the other way around. Its hard to say though as Hillary has the look of being beaten down, Maybe she just a academy award winning actress as well as a great stateswoman!

  35. wbboei said:
    Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. It stuck me because it sounds like a modern neo lib construct even though he wrote it in 1913:

    “If I am right it will be a slow process for our people to reach rational views, assuming that we are allowed to work peacefully to that end. But as I grow older I grow calm. If I feel what are perhaps an old man’s apprehensions that competition from new races will cut deeper than working men’s disputes and will test whether we can hang together and fight; if I fear that we are running through the world’s resources at a pace that cannot keep, I do not lose my hopes. I do not pin my dreams for the future on my country or even to my race. I think it probable that civilization will last as long as I care to look ahead–perhaps with smaller numbers but perhaps bred to greatness and spendor by science. I think it not improbable that man like the grub that prepares the winged thing it has never seen but is to be–that man may have cosmic destinies he does not understand. And so beyond the vision of battling races and an impoverished earth I catch the dreaming glimpse of peace.”
    ====================

    Him and H.G. Wells.

    h t t p : / / books.google.com/books?id=RHzoMeU2bxsC&pg=PA226&lpg=PA226&dq=’who+will+stand+upon+the+earth+as+one+stands+upon+a+footstool+and+laugh+and+reach+our+their+hands+amidst+the+stars,’&source=web&ots=rn0Unjvm4H&sig=IVle1jfML3nn1vGovFUgKdoZmhI&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

    Which races was Holmes talking about? British vs Germanic? Dutch?

    See also Wells’ “New Worlds for Old” on Socialism (Fabian?)

    h t t p : / / http://www.archive.org/stream/newworldsforold00welliala/newworldsforold00welliala_djvu.txt

  36. wbboei Says:
    December 8th, 2008 at 4:50 am
    Admin: I love your subtle touch as 10:09 and 10:17
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    ??? Couldn’t find.

  37. confloyd Says:
    December 8th, 2008 at 5:31 am
    turndownobama, I pray you are correct, that Bill and Hillary have them by the huevos, I sure as heck like that better than the other way around. Its hard to say though as Hillary has the look of being beaten down, Maybe she just a academy award winning actress as well as a great stateswoman!
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    Hillary deliberately looking beaten down would not be part of any deal I can think of. She’s supposed to be acting supportive of the Great Leader.

    I don’t think we should base much on how she looks. Maybe she was pumping herself up for campaigning. Certainly she was nourished by the energy of her supporters cheering her.

    Now is a time for impressing other world leaders that she’s taking the job of SOS seriously. She’s playing to a different audience now.

    Also she’s probably just plain tired! She’s doing two jobs at once (SOS plus Senator), plus all the backroom maneuvering still going on with more cabinet appointees and who Paterson is going to appoint to replace her, etc etc. I bet she will be relieved to get back to international tea parties. 🙂

  38. I think Hillary looked so ‘down’ because the reality of this jacka$$ being in control can longer be denied. I believe her further concerns include knowing how to protect this once great Republic from the excesses and misjudgments of one so self-rightous and incredibly undeserving of the office.

  39. turndownobama-com Says:

    December 8th, 2008 at 5:47 am

    “Also she’s probably just plain tired! She’s doing two jobs at once (SOS plus Senator), plus all the backroom maneuvering still going on with more cabinet appointees and who Paterson is going to appoint to replace her, etc etc.”

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    Yep! And what’s more, she will give them her all because that is just who she is.

    I’m thinking Obama will be do for another vacation pretty soon. It doesn’t take much…

  40. OBAMA’S HEALTH RECORDS: 1 PG DOC FROM DOC: “OBAMA IS HEALTHY ENOUGH TO SMOKE”

    (or: Obama has best shot at “taking out” the president-elect”)

    news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081207/pl_nm/us_usa_obama_smoking_3

    Obama says he won’t be smoking in White House
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    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. President-elect Barack Obama failed to give a straight answer when asked on a U.S. talkshow on Sunday whether he had managed to quit smoking.

    In a country where cigarettes are responsible for one in five deaths and smoking costs tens of billions of dollars in health care, Obama has been under pressure to set an example by giving up his reported two-decade-old habit.

    Appearing on NBC’s “Meet the Press” program, interviewer Tom Brokaw told Obama he had ducked answering the question during an interview last month with ABC’s Barbara Walters.

    Noting that the White House was a no-smoking zone, Brokaw asked Obama, “Have you stopped smoking?”

    “I have,” Obama replied, smiling broadly. “What I said was that there are times where I have fallen off the wagon.”

    “Wait a minute,” Brokaw interjected, “that means you haven’t stopped.”

    “Fair enough,” Obama said. “What I would say is that I have done a terrific job under the circumstances of making myself much healthier. You will not see any violations of these rules in the White House.”

    Obama was often observed on the presidential campaign trail chewing Nicorette gum, which helps ease the craving for nicotine. He has tried several times to quit.

    The 47-year-old president-elect, who takes office on January 20, works out daily at the gym and sometimes plays basketball. His doctor said in May he was in excellent health, often jogged 3 miles a day and was fit to serve as U.S. president.

    Website http://www.cigaraficionado.com says Gerald Ford, who served from 1974-77, was the last U.S. president to use tobacco on a regular basis. The White House no-smoking rule was imposed by former First Lady Hillary Clinton, now Obama’s nominee for secretary of state.

    (Editing by Alan Elsner)

  41. Hillary is a lot smarter than friends and foes alike.She knows that the senate seat she held would be holding her in a state of suspended animation by not only the repubs but BO as well.Remember folks we are broke and there will be no funding for health care for years to come and her efforts would be dead end. As SOS she will get all of the respect of most nations in this
    fragmented world and they will look forward to her presence at the table of restoring sanity to a world that is headed into a potential mother of all wars.She knows that wars are hell and peace is precious.Back off naysayers and second guessers and give her room to gather the herd of war mongers and the peace seekers alike and watch this remarkable woman lead with strength wisdom patience and compassion.She is truly a National Treasure.

    By ABM90 Good to be back through the doors of political
    enlightment and participation for our survival hillaryis44.org

  42. wbboei: Cold weather,snow and no access to my friends here at the greatest forum of my young political life.The feeling of a needed fix of communication was like the first three days when I stopped smoking 40 yrs ago.It is mind over matter and things always seem to correct themselves with an added amount of patience.
    ——————————————————————-
    wobbei to answer your querry.Dec.7th 1941 I was in Ft Bragg NC
    finishing up 2 month basic training in field artillery.After early bkfst just lying on my bunk BS with a buddy and listening to a
    contraband 2 tube radio chassis stashed above the main heat duct near a light fixture.News was very limited and and weak at best from Fayetteville but the reaction was more chaotic than rational.All the shackie officers and nco’s were alerted.Pay phones restricted,live ammo issued along with gas masks.Full field dress and redy to roll orders were issued.Guard posts were established 24/7 and being scared panic and wild imaginations began to set in.Rumors of sightings of beach landings in the northwest were rampant.During the nights there was always the darkness of the blackout covered windows and those awesome words “Halt Who goes There”? and then from time to time a familiar shot from the 1913 Springfields we were issued.I also remember that we were not prepared as we were training with French 75 mm howiters used in WWI.But I am proud to say that our country rolled up its sleeves and we showed the world what we could do with patriotism ,honesty in political leaders and our love of peace.So much to remember and so little time to make corrections to get us back on the path leading to world peace.

    By ABM90

  43. SUCKAS

    “I can’t believe he’s throwing us under the bus like that”
    “I feel used”

    Umm, word to the wise, if it looks like a bus, and feels like a bus, then it must be a bus you’ve been chucked under.

    Your date took you out for a date one Tuesday night in November, but he hasn’t called back? “He seemed so nice”.

    news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081208/pl_politico/16292

    Liberals voice concerns about Obama
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    Liberals are growing increasingly nervous – and some just flat-out angry – that President-elect Barack Obama seems to be stiffing them on Cabinet jobs and policy choices.

    Obama has reversed pledges to immediately repeal tax cuts for the wealthy and take on Big Oil. He’s hedged his call for a quick drawdown in Iraq. And he’s stocking his White House with anything but stalwarts of the left.

    Now some are shedding a reluctance to puncture the liberal euphoria at being rid of President George W. Bush to say, in effect, that the new boss looks like the old boss.

    “He has confirmed what our suspicions were by surrounding himself with a centrist to right cabinet. But we do hope that before it’s all over we can get at least one authentic progressive appointment,” said Tim Carpenter, national director of the Progressive Democrats of America.

    OpenLeft blogger Chris Bowers went so far as to issue this plaintive plea: “Isn’t there ever a point when we can get an actual Democratic administration?”

    Even supporters make clear they’re on the lookout for backsliding. “There’s a concern that he keep his basic promises and people are going to watch him,” said Roger Hickey, a co-founder of Campaign for America’s Future.

    Obama insists he hasn’t abandoned the goals that made him feel to some like a liberal savior. But the left’s bill of particulars against Obama is long, and growing.

    Obama drew rousing applause at campaign events when he vowed to tax the windfall profits of oil companies. As president-elect, Obama says he won’t enact the tax.

    Obama’s pledge to repeal the Bush tax cuts and redistribute that money to the middle class made him a hero among Democrats who said the cuts favored the wealthy. But now he’s struck a more cautious stance on rolling back tax cuts for people making over $250,000 a year, signaling he’ll merely let them expire as scheduled at the end of 2010.

    Obama’s post-election rhetoric on Iraq and choices for national security team have some liberal Democrats even more perplexed. As a candidate, Obama defined and separated himself from his challengers by highlighting his opposition to the war in Iraq from the start. He promised to begin to end the war on his first day in office.

    Now Obama’s says that on his first day in office he will begin to “design a plan for a responsible drawdown,” as he told NBC’s “Meet the Press” Sunday. Obama has also filled his national security positions with supporters of the Iraq war: Sen. Hillary Clinton, who voted to authorize force in Iraq, as his secretary of state; and President George W. Bush’s defense secretary, Robert Gates, continuing in the same role.

    The central premise of the left’s criticism is direct – don’t bite the hand that feeds, Mr. President-elect. The Internet that helped him so much during the election is lighting up with irritation and critiques.

    “There don’t seem to be any liberals in Obama’s cabinet,” writes John Aravosis, the editor of Americablog.com. “What does all of this mean for Obama’s policies, and just as important, Obama Supreme Court announcements?”

    “Actually, it reminds me a bit of the campaign, at least the beginning and the middle, when the Obama campaign didn’t seem particularly interested in reaching out to progressives,” Aravosis continues. “Once they realized that in order to win they needed to marshal everyone on their side, the reaching out began. I hope we’re not seeing a similar ‘we can do it alone’ approach in the transition team.”

    This isn’t the first liberal letdown over Obama, who promptly angered the left after winning the Democratic primary by announcing he backed a compromise that would allow warrantless wiretapping on U.S. soil to continue.

    Now it’s Obama’s Cabinet moves that are drawing the most fire. It’s not just that he’s picked Clinton and Gates. It’s that liberal Democrats say they’re hard-pressed to find one of their own on Obama’s team so far – particularly on the economic side, where people like Tim Geithner and Lawrence Summers are hardly viewed as pro-labor.

    “At his announcement of an economic team there was no secretary of labor. If you don’t think the labor secretary is on the same level as treasury secretary, that gives me pause,” said Jonathan Tasini, who runs the website workinglife.org. “The president-elect wouldn’t be president-elect without labor.”

    During the campaign Obama gained labor support by saying he favored legislation that would make it easier for unions to form inside companies. The “card check” bill would get rid of a secret-ballot method of voting to form a union and replace it with a system that would require companies to recognize unions simply if a majority of workers signed cards saying they want one. Obama still supports that legislation, aides say – but union leaders are worried that he no longer talks it up much as president-elect.

    “It’s complicated,” said Tasini, who challenged Clinton for Senate in 2006. “On the one hand, the guy hasn’t even taken office yet so it’s a little hasty to be criticizing him. On the other hand, there is legitimate cause for concern. I think people are still waiting but there is some edginess about this.”

    That’s a view that seems to have kept some progressive leaders holding their fire. There are signs of a struggle within the left wing of the Democratic Party about whether it’s just too soon to criticize Obama — and if there’s really anything to complain about just yet.

    Case in point: One of the Campaign for America’s Future blogs commented on Obama’s decision not to tax oil companies’ windfall profits saying, “Between this move and the move to wait to repeal the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, it seems like the Obama team is buying into the right-wing frame that raising any taxes – even those on the richest citizens and wealthiest corporations – is bad for the economy.”

    Yet Campaign for America’s Future will be join about 150 progressive organizations, economists and labor groups to release a statement Tuesday in support of a large economic stimulus package like the one Obama has proposed, said Hickey, a co-founder of the group.

    “I’ve heard the most grousing about the windfall profits tax, but on the other hand, Obama has committed himself to a stimulus package that makes a down payment on energy efficiency and green jobs,” Hickey said. “The old argument was, here’s how we afford to make these investments – we tax the oil companies’ windfall profits. … The new argument is, in a bad economy that could get worse, we don’t.”

    Obama is asking for patience – saying he’s only shifting his stance on some issues because circumstances are shifting.

    Aides say he backed off the windfall profits tax because oil prices have
    dropped below $80 a barrel. Obama also defended hedging on the Bush tax cuts.

    “My economic team right now is examining, do we repeal that through legislation? Do we let it lapse so that, when the Bush tax cuts expire, they’re not renewed when it comes to wealthiest Americans?” Obama said on “Meet the Press.” “We don’t yet know what the best approach is going to be.”

    On Iraq, he says he’s just trying to make sure any U.S. pullout doesn’t ignite “any resurgence of terrorism in Iraq that could threaten our interests.”

    Obama has told his supporters to look beyond his appointments, that the change he promised will come from him and that when his administration comes together they will be happy.

    “I think that when you ultimately look at what this advisory board looks like, you’ll say this is a cross-section of opinion that in some ways reinforces conventional wisdom, in some ways breaks with orthodoxy in all sorts of way,” Obama recently said in response to questions about his appointments during a news conference on the economy.

    The leaders of some liberal groups are willing to wait and see.

    “He hasn’t had a first day in office,” said John Isaacs, the executive director for Council for Livable World. “To me it’s not as important as who’s there, than what kind of policies they carry out.”

    “These aren’t out-and-out liberals on the national security team, but they may be successful implementers of what the Obama national security policy is,” Isaacs added. “We want to see what policies are carried forward, as opposed to appointments.”

    Juan Cole, who runs a prominent anti-war blog called Informed Comment, said he worries Obama will get bad advice from Clinton on the Middle East, calling her too pro-Israel and “belligerent” toward Iran. “But overall, my estimation is that he has chosen competence over ideology, and I’m willing to cut him some slack,” Cole said.

    Other voices of the left don’t like what they’re seeing so far and aren’t waiting for more before they speak up.

    New York Times columnist Frank Rich warned that Obama’s economic team of Summers and Geithner reminded him of John F. Kennedy’s “best and the brightest” team, who blundered in Vietnam despite their blue-chip pedigrees.

    David Corn, Washington bureau chief of the liberal magazine Mother Jones, wrote in Sunday’s Washington Post that he is “not yet reaching for a pitchfork.”

    But the headline of his op-ed sums up his point about Obama’s Cabinet appointments so far: “This Wasn’t Quite the Change We Envisioned.”

  44. Welcome back ALL. Admin, who ever you are, one or many, THANK YOU.

    You don’t half quit cigartetts or drinking. I have a hard time believing his medical reports. I live with a person who smoked for years, and today has to manage many of the problems resulting from it. His parents dying so young, I think would be a red flag. The slight report on his health, also is suspicious.

    However, if you don’t have to prove you are a natural born citizen, which is reqauired in the consitution, then what does it matter that your healh might not be prefect?

    The Important thing here is someone will soon have control of this country, through the Democratic Party, and we have really no idea who that is, just like we really don’t know where O was born.

    I am hoping that the Supreme Court Justices preseve the Consitution for this country.

  45. “He has confirmed what our suspicions were by surrounding himself with a centrist to right cabinet. But we do hope that before it’s all over we can get at least one authentic progressive appointment,” said Tim Carpenter, national director of the Progressive Democrats of America.
    &&&&&&&&&

    Wow, Tim, that’s really swinging for the fences.

    Maybe, Kucinich for Secretary of Animal Control? “We will be aggressive in our spaying and neutering policies”.

  46. Obama is asking for patience – saying he’s only shifting his stance on some issues because circumstances are shifting.
    &&&&&&&&&

    Obama: “Hmmm, that line can be used over and over and over again.”

    Obama: “It’s not me, it’s you”.

  47. Admin,
    I LOVE your posts! Let’s show Tweetie we DO remember and we DO pay attention to history.
    Two other points:
    BO always finds an excuse for himself. The bots seem to have taken their cue from Dear leader who is NEVER wrong and ALWAYS has a justification for himself. Check these comments from a recent interview.
    👿
    “There are times where I’ve fallen off the wagon,” the president-elect said when asked in a broadcast interview whether he has kicked the habit.
    “I’ve done a terrific job, under the circumstances, of making myself much healthier,” he said.
    Obama said in that interview that he had bummed a cigarette a couple of times during the campaign. “But I figure, seeing as I’m running for president, I need to cut myself a little slack,” he said.
    And from:
    /www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16292.html

    The libs are growing leery. Hehehehehehe.

    A couple of excerpts.
    (I confess I enjoyed reading every one of them)

    – The central premise of the left’s criticism is direct – don’t bite the hand that feeds, Mr. President-elect. The Internet that helped him so much during the election is lighting up with irritation and critiques.

    – But the left’s bill of particulars against Obama is long, and growing.

    – Obama’s post-election rhetoric on Iraq and choices for national security team have some liberal Democrats even more perplexed.

    – Now some are shedding a reluctance to puncture the liberal euphoria at being rid of President George W. Bush to say, in effect, that the new boss looks like the old boss.
    Liberals are growing increasingly nervous – and some just flat-out angry – that President-elect Barack Obama seems to be stiffing them on Cabinet jobs and policy choices.

    – Now it’s Obama’s Cabinet moves that are drawing the most fire. It’s not just that he’s picked Clinton and Gates. It’s that liberal Democrats say they’re hard-pressed to find one of their own on Obama’s team so far

    – There are signs of a struggle within the left wing of the Democratic Party about whether it’s just too soon to criticize Obama — and if there’s really anything to complain about just yet.

    – on Obama’s decision not to tax oil companies’ windfall profits saying, “Between this move and the move to wait to repeal the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, it seems like the Obama team is buying into the right-wing frame that raising any taxes – even those on the richest citizens and wealthiest corporations – is bad for the economy.”

    – Obama is asking for patience – saying he’s only shifting his stance on some issues because circumstances are shifting.

    – David Corn, Washington bureau chief of the liberal magazine Mother Jones, wrote in Sunday’s Washington Post that he is “not yet reaching for a pitchfork.”

    – But the headline of his op-ed sums up his point about Obama’s Cabinet appointments so far: “This Wasn’t Quite the Change We Envisioned.”

    – Other voices of the left don’t like what they’re seeing so far and aren’t waiting for more before they speak up.

  48. New York Times columnist Frank Rich warned that Obama’s economic team of Summers and Geithner reminded him of John F. Kennedy’s “best and the brightest” team, who blundered in Vietnam despite their blue-chip pedigrees
    $$$$$

    I may start buying the Sunday Times again (boycotted it since the election on principle, but buy Mon – Sat for my crossword), just to witness Frank Rich’s nervous breakdown in a slow motion week-to-week basis.

  49. If the liberals are sufficiently outraged, maybe they’ll support the Supreme Court if they decide to actually ask Obama to prove his citizenship with a real birth certificate, and rule that McCain, who got the second most votes in November, become the POTUS.

    I mean, what’s the diff? Obama was a faux progressive, and McCain is the most centrist of Republicans. In fact, most of us here might NOT have supported the Republican candidate if it was someone more extreme. However, I think many of us respect the Gov. of Alaska.

  50. Donofrio case chucked by Supreme Court, but other case(s) still pending:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/08/obama-birth-certificate-c_n_149229.html

    WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth.

    The court did not comment on its order Monday rejecting the call by Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick, N.J., to intervene in the presidential election. Donofrio says that since Obama had dual nationality at birth _ his mother was American and his Kenyan father at the time was a British subject _ he cannot possibly be a “natural born citizen,” one of the requirements the Constitution lists for eligibility to be president.

    Donofrio also contends that two other candidates, Republican John McCain and Socialist Workers candidate Roger Calero, also are not natural-born citizens and thus ineligible to be president.

    At least one other appeal over Obama’s citizenship remains at the court. Philip J. Berg of Lafayette Hill, Pa., argues that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii as Obama says and the Hawaii secretary of state has confirmed. Berg says Obama also may be a citizen of Indonesia, where he lived as a boy. Federal courts in Pennsylvania have dismissed Berg’s lawsuit.

  51. WOW!!!! WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOO!!!

    I’M BACK IN!!!

    gosh, i so missed this site and all of you, what a big bummer not being able to read comments or chat

    thank you ADMIN for getting all that sorted out for those of us left out of the loop 😀

    excellent articles admin, i was able to read the articles, just couldn’t get in to comments etc.

    well………… i guess i have a lot to read LOL

  52. I don’t think that Obama’s qualifications to be president, or lack thereof, will end if he makes it to Inauguration Day. Of course, one after another will be thrown out or smothered in that delicious Beauracy Sauce. But the challenges will persist if he does not satisfy the public with proper evidence to substantiate his birth and citizenship.

    Ergo, the Supremes should avoid greater “constitutional crises” by addressing this now.

    Is there no mechanism for enforcing the items that you must be a citizen, and be a certain age? Why have speed limit signs but no police to
    enforce it?

  53. ABM90,

    “So much to remember and so little time to make corrections to get us back on the path leading to world peace.”

    ——————————————————

    My goodness! I hope my memory is half as good as yours is when/if I am lucky enough to reach your wonderful age, my friend!

    I was without access for a few days as well…lol…not easy going through Hillary is 44 withdrawal. 😉

  54. djia Says:
    December 8th, 2008 at 10:39 am

    gosh, i so missed this site and all of you, what a big bummer not being able to read comments or chat
    &&&&&&&&

    Many of us were experiencing BODS, Bloggers Outage Detachment Syndrome.

    Doctor recommends a) get a hobby not involving computers b) go to portn sites, they are always up.

  55. Court won’t review Obama’s eligibility to serve
    WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth.
    The court did not comment on its order Monday rejecting the call by Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick, N.J., to intervene in the presidential election. Donofrio says that since Obama had dual nationality at birth — his mother was American and his Kenyan father at the time was a British subject — he cannot possibly be a “natural born citizen,” one of the requirements the Constitution lists for eligibility to be president.
    Donofrio also contends that two other candidates, Republican John McCain and Socialist Workers candidate Roger Calero, also are not natural-born citizens and thus ineligible to be president.
    At least one other appeal over Obama’s citizenship remains at the court. Philip J. Berg of Lafayette Hill, Pa., argues that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii as Obama says and the Hawaii secretary of state has confirmed. Berg says Obama also may be a citizen of Indonesia, where he lived as a boy. Federal courts in Pennsylvania have dismissed Berg’s lanews. yahoo.com/s/ap/20081208/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_obamawsuit.

  56. Senior Senator, Obama Not Taking Sides in N.Y. Race:

    DEVLIN BARRETT

    Associated Press

    December 8, 2008 at 4:12 AM EST

    WASHINGTON — New York Senator Charles Schumer said yesterday he won’t publicly push for Caroline Kennedy or any of the other 10 possible candidates to succeed Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Senate.

    Ms. Kennedy is interested in the seat, according to her cousin Robert Kennedy Jr., who said she is ready for a bigger public role and has the full support of her politically powerful family.

    U.S. President-elect Barack Obama was also asked yesterday whether Caroline Kennedy would make a good senator. Mr. Obama praised her, but said he would not get involved.

    “Caroline Kennedy has become one of my dearest friends and is just a wonderful American, a wonderful person. But the last thing I want to do is get involved in New York politics. I’ve got enough trouble in terms of Illinois politics,” Mr. Obama said on NBC’s Meet the Press.

    Related Articles
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    Caroline Kennedy interested in Senate seat
    Should Ms. Clinton be confirmed as Mr. Obama’s secretary of state, New York Governor David Paterson would appoint someone to fill the seat for two years. That person would have to run for election in 2010, and assuming he or she won, again in 2012.

    At a news conference, Mr. Schumer said each of the eleven potential candidates for the seat would make an excellent senator, but he won’t champion any of them before Mr. Paterson’s appointment.

    “I have not, and do not intend to endorse a specific candidate before Governor Paterson makes his decision,” he said. “I’m confident that Governor Paterson will make a careful, thought-out decision to help New York.”

    Mr. Schumer is the senior senator from New York, and his public position of neutrality won’t stop the candidates nor their backers from seeking his help or favour, even if only behind closed doors.

    “I think each one of them would make an excellent senator and an excellent partner, and I know I can work well with each of them. I am going to respect the governor and his selection process,” he said.

    Ms. Kennedy is by far the biggest name in the mix, but there are plenty of others: New York Attorney-General Andrew Cuomo, Nassau County District executive Tom Suozzi, Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown, Bronx Borough president Adolfo Carrion, as well as Representatives Nydia Velazquez, Carolyn Maloney, Steve Israel, Jerrold Nadler, Kirsten Gillibrand and Brian Higgins.

    Mr. Schumer refused to discuss what factors he thought the governor should consider in making the choice.

    The governor has said he is in no rush to make a decision.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081208.wkennedy08/BNStory/International/home

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    Obama’s comments are ridiculous!

  57. Rev. Wright TV Ad That McCain Would Not Run
    30-second Spot on Obama’s Pastor Was Ready to Air, Would It Have Made a Difference?

    By ANNA SCHECTER, ERIC LONGABARDI, and BRIAN ROSS
    December 8, 2008

    Even as his campaign fell far behind in the polls, Sen. John McCain refused to authorize the use of a fully-produced 30-second television commercial that criticized Barack Obama for his relationship with the controversial pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

    McCain’s camp considered an aggressive attack on the issue of the Rev. Wright.

    A copy of the spot, obtained by ABC News, indicates the campaign spent the time and money necessary to produce a polished final tape, even after McCain publicly said the pastor should not be made a campaign issue and that he wanted to run a “respectful” campaign. His aides told ABC News that McCain simply decided “he did not want to touch” the Rev. Wright issue.

    But the commercial even includes the tag line: “I’m John McCain and I approve this message.”

    “McCain never saw the ad and it was never considered for air, period,” said McCain’s top campaign strategist Steve Schmidt. Schmidt told ABC News he recalls seeing the commercial but did not push McCain to approve it.

    copy of ad can be viewed at:

    http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Vote2008/story?id=6395775&page=1

  58. rgb44: agree with your comments. It will not go away because there is contrary proof out there. And there is a political motive to chase it. As the constitutional lawyer pointed out the other day it would be wonderful stuff to blackmail him with if a hostile foreign government had it and that could well happen. Surely a Chicago thug like Axelrod understands that angle.

    It is hardly surprising that the US Supreme Court refused to hear the Donfrio case. Frankly, his theory eluded me. More importantly however it also eluded the court. I had hoped the Berg case had been joined to it. The Berg case is more subsantial. The failure to join may have been purposeful. Any indiction when that one will be reviewed? That is the one to watch.

  59. It is a clear conflict of interest and he should be fired asap…Mathews is the cheerleader for all Clinton haters since 96 forward, and if Pennsylvania prides itself on working class heroes, this guy is the fraud of fraud..a democratic millionaire as elite as they come…

  60. I’m not too worried about Matthews. At best he’s a wannabe “insert foot in mouth Biden.” At worst he will continue to spout off so much hatred because he can’t help himself that no one but the lunatic fringe would ever vote for him any. Whether he runs or not, he needs to be sent to a padded room for observation.

  61. wbboei

    Just on WGN Chicago

    Aam Zell just filed for Chapter 11….that includes the Chi Trib. LA Times, his travel and leisure mags, the Cubbies…etc

    Reporter says the $13 B in debt is mostly the result of the very complicated purshase agreements he made in order to beat out competitors.

    At least we don’t have to worry abt his holding out the tin cup to Obama…it’s too late for that now.

  62. Just on WGN Chicago

    Aam Zell just filed for Chapter 11….that includes the Chi Trib. LA Times, his travel and leisure mags, the Cubbies…etc

    Reporter says the $13 B in debt is mostly the result of the very complicated purshase agreements he made in order to beat out competitors.

    At least we don’t have to worry abt his holding out the tin cup to Obama…it’s too late for that now.
    ——————————————
    Don’t worry. Its only Chapter 11. He will come up with a plan to pay off his creditors and continue to operate. The creditors and court will have to approve it. He still has a credible threat of total liquidation, so his claim for a taxpayer bailout is still on track. I will bet you it is on Dick Durbins agenda. Another FOB (Friend of Bambi) and ACORN in the side of the American People. Zell is sure a great businessman.

  63. Maybe Tweetie will run. If he wins, maybe he’d keep his TV job too. Maybe msnbc would allow him to continue broadcasting.

    Then, finally, we’d be able to see Chris Matthew interview (gag) Senator Matthews:

    CM: I’ve always been a big fan of yours

    Sen. Matthews: Same here, you are the sanest voice of reason there has been on TV since Murrow.

    CM: Do you expect to be running for president any time soon?

    SM: Let’s just say that “anything can happen”.

  64. interview continued…

    Chris Matthews: Would you be willing to challenge Obama in the Democratic primaries in 2012?

    Sen. Matthews: He’s been a huge disappointment. For instance, instead of using his presidential powers to banish her to say Alaska, he made her SoS.

  65. CM: What about your lack of “experience”? Wouldn’t that preclude you running for president?

    Sen. Matthews: That didn’t give me reservations about supporting Obama. Jeez, the guy was a complete Nothing Burger.

  66. John Kerry cranky over Barack Obama’s Hillary Clinton pick

    By Gayle Fee and Laura Raposa
    Tuesday, December 2, 2008

    Word from Capitol Hill is that, despite his kind words for Hillary Clinton yesterday, Sen. John Kerry is angry and disappointed about not being considered a serious candidate for Barack Obama’s secretary of state.

    “He’s pretty PO’d,” said Someone Who Knows. “After going from the early front-runner to not even being considered, he’s pretty disappointed.”

    Kerry yesterday issued a statement congratulating Clinton on her nomination for the globe-trotting gig.

    “President-Elect Obama has chosen a terrific national security team to protect our security and help restore America’s rightful place in the world,” Kerry’s statement read. “As Secretary of State, my friend and colleague Hillary Clinton will bring her years of experience and her remarkable intellect to the effort to restore our alliances and advance the president’s agenda in the world.”

    Kerry will, of course, have to settle for the chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee under the new regime. But, considering his early support for Obama, we hear Kerry was expecting to be moving out of the Senate come January.

    “He was out there early for Obama but it didn’t do him much good,” said our spy.

    “He’s bored with being a senator,” said another political source.

    The conventional wisdom is that the president-elect chose Clinton over Kerry because of her star power – and to keep an eye on her and her hubby in a sort of “keep-your-friends-close-and-your-enemies-closer” scenario.

    It is also a bitter pill for the legions of local pols who had their eyes on Kerry’s seat. Among them, Attorney General Martha Coakley, Congressmen Steve Lynch and Mike Capuano, ex-Congressman Marty Meehan, and even, we hear, newly elected Congresswoman Nikki Tsongas .

    As for Hillary, we hear that one of the reasons she decided to abandon the Senate to serve under her former rival was Sen. Ted Kennedy’s snub on health care.

    Kennedy declined to put the former first lady on his health care task force – the group that will shape the Senate’s health care bill.

    Word is, the senior senator, who is battling brain cancer, hopes to get the bill through the Senate as soon as work is completed on Obama’s economic plan, and he didn’t believe Clinton had the juice to get it done.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view/2008_12_02_John_Kerry_cranky_over_Barack_Obama_s_Hillary_Clinton_pick/

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    “he didn’t believe Clinton had the juice to get it done”

    More like he copied and pasted her ideas and wants all the credit for himself. 😉

  67. “He has confirmed what our suspicions were by surrounding himself with a centrist to right cabinet. But we do hope that before it’s all over we can get at least one authentic progressive appointment,” said Tim Carpenter, national director of the Progressive Democrats of America.
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    Wow, Tim, that’s really swinging for the fences.
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    RGB: perfect comment. Very surgical.

    What is a “progressive”????

    The term is vague, ambiguous and dare I say it deceptive.

    To me a progressive is someone who wants to use the powers of the state to make us all better people.

    And if we happen to lose a little thing called liberty and freedom in the process, what the hell.

    Harvard Professor B.F. Skinner was the perfect progressive. Wrote a book called Beyond Human Freedom and Liberty (Dignity?). Of course it was for the noble cause of saving humanity.

    Now there was a real progressive. Fortunately he is dead now. But Tom Hayden and Hanoi Jane just go on. Perfect progessives.

  68. he didn’t believe Clinton had the juice to get it done”

    More like he copied and pasted her ideas and wants all the credit for himself.

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    He wants the credit. Clinton has more juice and mojo, than Kennedy could ever think of having. What a small and bitter person he is.

  69. Word is, the senior senator, who is battling brain cancer, hopes to get the bill through the Senate as soon as work is completed on Obama’s economic plan, and he didn’t believe Clinton had the juice to get it done.
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    Ambitious, avaricious and self serving to the bitter end–the rum ridden playboy senator from massachusetts.

  70. I really wish I could take umbrage with the dnc for treating the electorate as mindless sheep, but as they were successful I cannot. I have over the past month gone from rage to more rage. Having lived in NYC for almost twenty years even the thought of the wet noodle caroline kennedy fills me with an unbridled fury. The state/ the city needs a fighter. New York represents all that is America to many in the world and deserves far more than the continuation of a legacy. Although her appointment would strengthen the chicago cabal. I may be going out on a limb here but I believe the vicissitudes of the market require that those businesses no longer viable go under. Yes people lose jobs but the steel industry went through it and we as a nation survived without a “steel tsar”. I have tremendous respect for the concept of unions but having perused some of the guarentees provided to the UAW I am at a loss. A nurse does not recieve such protections and his/her job requires a degree with state certification. And newspapers if the tribune group gets a dollar it will send me over the edge. If nothing else this election has given proof positive that they are out moded. Not one major newspaper chose to do its job. Unfortunately, I believe if we bail out the auto industry based on the peripheral(SP?) effects the same argument will be used by every industry whose time has come and passed.
    Sorry for babbling. I read everyday and am more than often intimidated by the intelligence exhibited here and refrain from letting loose as I have a great respect for admin and everyone who so assiduously provide me with an on going education.

  71. Henry

    If that is your “babble”, then babble on…you have your thoughts organized and at the same time include your emotions and stance. Rock on.

  72. A self-proclaimed former hard core drug user wins the office of POS, claims to have quit smoking. A lie.
    I spoke today with an addiction specialist about that issue.
    Her belief is that while with certain drugs their exists a physical component most addictions are psychologically rooted. A few days of detox removes the biological necessaty for a substance. To prevent the user after detoxing from returning to his/her former way of life a fundemental change must take place within thier psyche. She told me 7 out of ten times she actively promotes a twelve step program which she believes facillitates a rebirth. She then stated that if obama claims to have had a change of heart outside of a traditional program he either only dabbled or he truly deeply believed in what provided his salvation or he substituted it. Her professional take was that he substituted power to achieve what cocaine did and she said like any addict anywhere he will do what ever he needs to get his next fix. She then qualified that by saying she doubts that he was ever more than a casual user as she doubts he would have been able to stop.
    to which I responded he was just elected POS. She ordered another dirty courtney love not brittany spears) bombay sapphire martini straight up. So a grain of salt.

  73. I really wish I could take umbrage with the dnc for treating the electorate as mindless sheep, but as they were successful
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    Henry: big media is our most formidable adversary. If they had done their job, none of this would have happened. As far as the dnc is concerned, it is a case of all glory is fleeting. Sic transit gloria mundi. I do not think this cabal will survive long term. I do think that both parties will split and form a new centrist party. Never happen? I tell people who tell me that that my crystal ball is not as clear as theirs. And neither is anyone elses. Was it Confusion or Elliot Richardson who gave us the curse–condemned to live in interesting times.

  74. If time were no object, if I were a student again, if things were different, I would love to do a study on the failure of the German media to vet the Bohemian Corporal vs the similar failure of American media to vet obama. In both cases, I would expect to find a desire to transcend the past administration, and the line I love about all second marriages–“a triumph of hope over experience”.

  75. I have wondered for a long time just how hyped the Kennedy legacy really is. Given the organized crime ties that John had, given Teddy’s crimes and misdemeanors, John Jr’s wild history, and Caroline’s lacklustre accomplishments, the only one I was impressed with was Bobby.

    I hope this doesn’t offend anyone.

  76. The other point of similarity I would expect to find between the German media of the 1930s and the travesty we see in America today in the American media is an irrational hatred–racial in one case, gender based in the other. In both cases media whores–and their fellow journalists who stood by mute marched us back into the glorious age of the sixteenth century when bigots burned at stake those who disagreed with or threatened their privileged status. I think of a vacuous face like Shuster when I say that.

  77. If I may take up aline or two to yell out a big thankyou
    A year and a half ago I left manhatten with my tail between my legs. I was incapacitated by debt. I moved back to my childhood home, Pittsburgh. Resigned. My dreams had died. Functional depression.
    Then along came Senator Clinton and her fight coupled with having the primary responsibility for nuturing a toddler and giving her everything I possessed. In my adult life genuinely for the first time for something completely outside of me. I grew up and I thank each and every poster here for their commitment here and of course admin. Funnyhad I not been able to come alive via this space I may not have been able to offer as much as I can to my little one. Okay so I had as many courtney love dirty bombay sapphire martinis as my companion and am more than a little buzzed but my intent is true.
    By the way
    recipe for a courtney
    two parts bombay sapphire
    one part olive juice
    no olives(they take up valuable rent in the glass)
    bruised–shake so much you get ice crystals
    serve in a martini glass

  78. JanH Says:

    December 8th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
    I have wondered for a long time just how hyped the Kennedy legacy really is. Given the organized crime ties that John had, given Teddy’s crimes and misdemeanors, John Jr’s wild history, and Caroline’s lacklustre accomplishments, the only one I was impressed with was Bobby.

    I hope this doesn’t offend anyone.

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    Jan, it is a fairytale and myth.

  79. JanH
    Never one for hero worship I have asked many in my family exactly what JFK did to deserve deification. Never have I rec’d a legitimate answer. I would absolutely love to hear from someone here why he deserves the unqualified adoration he has rec’d from generations. Did not Senator Clinton go into Chicago to contest his votes?

  80. birdgal
    gotta say I was working as a waiter at the rose cafe in 91 and JFK Jr was a frequent patron and was always the epitomy of decorem. Showed up on his bike acknowledged everyone by name gave a knowing look when one of his companions attempted to act as if they were in the four seasons and always always said thankyou. He was an American treasure.

  81. Never one for hero worship I have asked many in my family exactly what JFK did to deserve deification.
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    An important question that deserves an answer. I think it was primarily a media created myth. It is highly doubtful that the myth would have been perpetuated if he had survived to old age. The Victorian poet Houseman who I have quoted here before (ad naseum perhaps) wrote a poem entitled To An Athlete Dying Young. In it he finds some vague optimism in the fact that “the man died before the name”. That has got to be part of the Kennedy mythos. Also, he was a true naval war hero, and as Emjay will tell you that counts for something.

  82. Okay I must ask this
    Is the government bailout of the ill producing auto industry all that much different from the overly subsidized support of the American small farmer. I went to school in the midwest and knew many families in the eighties that were screaming poverty. I visited some of those farms and was overwhelmed by the stature of the family homes and they were swcreaming for a bailout. Which they recieved.

  83. JanH

    I believe the adoration of JFK began with the funeral when little John John saluted his father’s casket as it went by and the myth of his popularity was born. He was going to have a tough re-election campaign in 64′ and that was the main reason for his trip to Texas a year before the election to try and shore up his slipping support.

  84. Henry

    Don’t know if it was Confucious or not…

    “May you live in interesting times!” – an ‘ancient Chinese curse’. (from an old UK Times quote book.)

  85. wbboei
    and was Hillary not descimated for bringing to light that it took JFK’s successor to bring the realities of the civil rights movement to fruition?
    Other than being assinanted what did the man do to deserve his place. I ask earnestly. I have read that he was responsible for the cold war? I was born in 67 and my education has at best been limited to the man was a saint.

  86. I’d also love to know how all of you feel about farm subsidies?
    Wbboei are they like newspapers? I think so. Everyone I knew who rec’d one was going to a very good school that accepted more for the fact that they could pay than for any achievementd’

  87. JanH: Thank you for ever gracious comments on my participating in this very important part of my everyday life.The threat of being excluded from this new form of self expression for we oldsters is not in my cards and I will not let myself become an
    obsolete model.Many thanks to all of you my friends.

    By a grateful ABM90

  88. Henry: he did not do much to deserve this reputation. The Bay of Pigs was a fiasco. He blamed it on his advisors–holdovers from the Eisenhower administration. The Cuban Missle Crisis was deemed a success, since we got the missiles out of Cuba and averted World War III. But the truth was we had a Russian general in Kruschev’s inner circle who was sending us infomation so Kennedy knew what his adversary was thinking. That general was discovered and exectuted by Russian authorities.

    I think it had as much to do with the country’s head was at as it did with him. I will say however that he and his wife were glamorous people, in ways the Dwight and Mamie were not.
    The 1950s were in so many ways a continuation of the world war ll. They began with the red scare and ended with the Civil Rights movement.
    The 1960s brought in new ideas and fashions.

    This is where I think the elites have miscalculated with Obama. This is not at all where the countrys head is at today. They want to use the same formula and I doubt it will work. At that time we were rising to claim the American century as the ultimate victor in world war II. We were damed near 50% of world gmp. Today we are only 25%. We are now an empire in decline. We need a manager not a Messiah. There are few miracles to be delivered on this watch. Just tradeoffs.

  89. gnp. as in gross national product–or in the world context total economic output.

    Bombay Safire is best drank out of one of their blue frosted glasses sold at Christmas time. I recommend both–as you say shaken not stirred.

    Kinda like my reaction to bambi: shaken not stirred/

  90. ABM90 Says:

    December 8th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
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    You are an inspiration to us all. I heard the old Sinatra song Young At Heart–and I thought of you.

    If you can survive
    To a 105
    Think of all you’ll derive
    Out of being alive

    And here is the best part
    You’ll have a head start
    If you are among the very
    Young at heart/

    And you are My Friend.

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