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February 17, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Hillary Clinton Wants To Accomplish On Her Trip Overseas

10 Exchange U.S. dollars for currency that's worth something

9 Win respect defeating Japan's top-ranked sumo wrestler

8 Shift world's perception of America from "hated" to "extremely disliked"

7 Personally thank all of her illegal campaign donors

6 Three words: stylish Indonesian pantsuits

5 Visit burial site of revered Chinese military leader, General Tso

4 Get drunk with that Japanese finance minister guy

3 Convince China to switch from lead-tainted products to mercury-tainted products

2 Catch Chinese screening of Benjamin Button entitled "The Strange Adventures of Freaky Grandpa Baby"

1 Pick up carton of duty-free smokes for Obama

February 16, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Abraham lincoln Would Say If He Were Alive Today

10 "Sup?"

9 "I see Madonna's still a slut"

8 "Who's that handsome sumbitch on the five?"

7 "Is that free Grand Slam deal still going on at Denny's?"

6 "I just changed my Facebook status update to, Tthe 'ol rail splitter is chillaxing'"

5 "How do I get on 'Dancing with the Stars'?"

4 "Okay, Obama, you're from Illinois, too. We get it!"

3 "Hey Phelps, don't Bogart the weed!"

2 "What's the deal with Joaquin Phoenix?"

1 "A Broadway play? Uhhh, no thanks. I'm good."

January 28, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Overheard at the Meeting Between Barack Obama and the Republicans

10 "I miss the Clinton administration when we'd meet at Hooters"

9 "Can we wrap this up? I've got tickets to the 4:30 'Paul Blart: Mall Cop"

8 "Smoke break!"

7 "You fellas really need to take it easy on the Old Spice"

6 "Mr. President: don't misunderestimate the Republicans"

5 "Another smoke break!"

4 "What was the deal with Aretha Franklin's hat?"

3 "About that tax the rich stuff -- you were joking, right?"

2 "Sir, it's refreshing to have a Chief Executive who speaks in complete sentences"

1 "Senator Craig's offering his stimulus package in the men's room"

January 27, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Ways Rod Blagojevich Can Improve His Image

10 Star in new television series, "America's Funniest Haircuts"

9 Quit politics and become a fat, lovable mall cop

8 Start pronouncing last name with Jerry Lewis-like "BLAGOOOYYYJEVICH"

7 Offer a senate seat with no money down, zero percent interest

6 Team up with John Malkovich and Erin Brockovich for hot Malkovich-Brockovich-Blagojevich sex tape

5 Change his name to Barod Obamavich

4 Safely land an Airbus on the Hudson River

3 I don't know...how about showing up for his impeachment trial?

2 Wear sexy dresses, high heels and say, "You Betcha!"

1 Uhhh...resign?

January 16, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Signs Obama's Getting Nervious

10 New slogan: "Yes we can... or maybe not, it's hard to say"

9 In moment of confusion, requested a $300 billion bailout from the bailout industry

8 He's up to not smoking three packs a day

7 Friends say he's looking frail, shaky and...no, that's McCain

6 He's so stressed, doctors say he's developing a Sanjay in his Gupta

5 Been walking around muttering, "What the hell have I gotten myself into?"

4 Offered Governor of Illinois, Rod Blagojevich, $100,000 to buy his old Senate seat back

3 Standing on White House roof screaming, "Save us, Superman!"

2 Sweating like Bill Clinton when Hillary comes home early

1 He demanded a recount

January 8, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Barack Obama Plans To Fix The Economy

10 Encourage tourists to throw spare change in the Grand Canyon

9 End our dependence on foreign owls

8 Sell New Mexico to Mexico

7 Put a little of that bailout money on the Ravens plus 3 at Tennessee. Come on! It's a mortal lock!

6 Rent out the moon for weddings and Bar Mitzvahs

5 Lotto our way out of this son-of-a-bitch

4 Appear on "Deal or No Deal" and hope to choose the right briefcase

3 Bail out the adult film industry -- not sure how it helps, but it can't hurt

2 Release O.J. from prison, have him steal America's money from China

1 Stop talkin' and start Obama-natin'!

January 7, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Overheard At The Presidents' Lunch

10 "Sorry, you're not on the list, Mr. Gore"

9 "If Hillary calls, I've been here since Monday"

8 "Laura! More Mountain Dew!"

7 "You guys wanna see, 'Paul Blart: Mall Cop'?"

6 "Call the nurse -- George swallowed a napkin ring!"

5 "Hey Barack, wanna go with us to Cabo in March? Oh that's right, you have to work!"

4 "Kissey kissey"

3 "Obama? I think he's downstairs smoking a butt"

2 "Did you ever see a monkey sneezing?"

1 "I hope Clinton's unbuckling his belt because he's full"

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The Shame Of The Democratic Left, Part II

The Democratic Left is increasingly proving itself to be a misogynistic anti-gay coalition. The words are “progressive”. The actions contradict the words. We know actions speak louder than words.

In Part I, we quoted Ralph Nader and his disdain of “gonadal politics“. It was Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm who dared place sexism and misogyny at center stage of American politics, not a sideshow in the fight for equality.

“I ran because somebody had to do it first. I ran because most people thought the country was not ready for a Black candidate, not ready for a woman candidate. Someday–it was time in 1972 to make that someday come.”

She also knew the challenges of being a woman in politics.

“I’ve always met more discrimination being a woman than being Black,” she said. “When I ran for the Congress, when I ran for president, I met more discrimination as a woman than for being Black. Men are men.”

Decades after Congresswoman Chisholm declared she was discriminated more on the basis that she was a woman than because she was African-American the Democratic Left castigates sexism and misogyny (and homophobia) only when it is convenient and safe. All the talk against sexism and misogyny (and homophobia) is just that – talk.

During the 2008 election cycle the leading lights of the Democratic Left, writers and party officials, remained quiet while sexism and misogyny ran as rampant as Reagan era AIDS. The Democratic Left was mostly silent. In fact the historical record will show that they were complicit in the sexism and misogyny. Many in the Democratic Left still deny the historical record and condemn those of us that will not forget and continue to break the silence.

During this election cycle, Chairman of the Dimocratic Party Howard Dean remained silent on sexism and misogyny but any “racial” statements were quickly condemned even if the “racial” statements were merely hoaxes set up by the Obama campaign. The condemnation of “racist” statements however were not made against the Obama campaign when the barely veiled racism benefited Obama.

When Obama called Hillary in anonymous memoranda the Senator from Punjab only the East Asian community (and Big Pink) took offense. The Democratic Left which condemned the turbaned stereotypes of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom did not denounce this particular baiting by the Obama campaign.

Howard Dean attributed his silence on sexism and misogyny to ignorance because he did not get cable television. The Chairman must have missed the sexism and misogyny on broadcast television, in Obama statements, in newspapers, magazines and every conceivable Big Media outlet. The Hillary Clinton “nutcrackers” and the “Bro Before Ho” merchandise must also have escaped the Democratic Chairman from the Democratic Left. The good German did not know what was going on – he did not smell the furnaces burning.

Now that it is convenient, in a forum of only men the Democratic Chairman from the Democratic Left, is attempting to rehabilitate his legacy and excuse his complicity. Asked by a woman at the forum about the lack of discussion of women, in an historic campaign that featured a woman candidate, the men on the panel made more excuses and the Democratic Chairman from the Democratic Left outdid himself in hypocrisy. [Dean begins to speak 3 minutes, 45 seconds into the video]

Let me talk about this for just a minute, and without disrespect for Ken, it is not… the answer that Geoff just gave is not unrelated to the fact that there are no women up here. Washington doesn’t get it. They always get it last. This is the most underwritten story of this campaign… by the press… by the media. Let me explain this.

Women, I have a small disagreement with you. Women my age, in my generation felt this really acutely. Because they were the ones that suffered all of the indignities that you suffer when you fight to win the battle for equality. As they did. I tell this story alot because young people don’t understand. When my wife graduated in the class of 1971 from Roslyn High School in suburban New York, they had two playing fields. A boys playing field and a girls playing field for the sports. They had a construction project. They simply shut down the girls playing field, closed off women’s sports for the year and that was the end of that so they could do the construction project and open it up the next year.

You could not do that today. And the reason you cannot do that is because people like Hillary Clinton fought to make sure that could happen. Now, here is why this is an underwritten story.

This was one of the most painful parts of my Chairmanship was being the referree. Naturally of course the Barack people thought I was with Hillary the Hillary people thought I was with Barack. That just goes with the territory.

But nobody understood the agony that women, particularly of my generation, were undergoing about this issue and to this day it has been swept under the rug and forgotten because she didn’t win. I would love to see some people really look at this seriously. Here we are. This is inexcusable – having five guys up here. And with all due respect to schedules we don’t do that. If you are going to have diversity you are going to have diversity and you make damn sure you have diversity. We have not learned about that. The underwritten story about this campaign is not just about the first African-American president it’s what happened to the first woman.

We thought we were past all this stuff and we weren’t. We weren’t surprised about the degree of racism or lack of it or whatever, that was endlessly examined. We did not examine the fact that we didn’t get, we haven’t gotten nearly as far ahead as we thought we were about equality between the sexes. And that ought to be revisited as a result of what happened.

And it happened to Sarah Palin too. All the stuff that happened to Sarah Palin, and I know God knows I don’t have a lot of sympathy for her political points of view, but a lot of the stuff that happened to her, as she pointed out, would not have happened had she been a man.

So that is a serious issue that this country has not yet dealt with. And that was the sore that was unroofed by what went on, on the cable television stations especially regarding Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

Words. Just words. The Democratic Chairman from the Democratic Left was silent when it mattered and now he wants to polish himself as an enlightened man ready to fight for liberation. The Democratic Left was also complicit and silent.

Marie Cocco was not silent. Marie Cocco condemned the silence and the silent. She wrote about the sexism and misogyny in the 2008 election cycle:

Most of all, I will not miss the silence.

I will not miss the deafening, depressing silence of Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean or other leading Democrats, who to my knowledge (with the exception of Sen. Barbara Mikulski of Maryland) haven’t publicly uttered a word of outrage at the unrelenting, sex-based hate that has been hurled at a former first lady and two-term senator from New York. Among those holding their tongues are hundreds of Democrats for whom Clinton has campaigned and raised millions of dollars. Don Imus endured more public ire from the political class when he insulted the Rutgers University women’s basketball team.

Would the silence prevail if Obama’s likeness were put on a tap-dancing doll that was sold at airports? Would the media figures who dole out precious face time to these politicians be such pals if they’d compared Obama with a character in a blaxploitation film? And how would crude references to Obama’s sex organs play?

The silence on sexism and misogyny (and homophobia which we will discuss in a later installment) is the shame of the Democratic Left.

The shame of the Democratic Left must be exposed.

The shame of the Democratic Left will not be forgotten.

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238 comments to The Shame Of The Democratic Left, Part II

  • mp

    It is not just the democratic left!!!! The moderrates also are staying SILENT!!!!!!

  • wbboei

    This is part of a longer letter I am writing to one of the luminaries in big media. It makes reference to a website called women on the web with whom this luminary is associated. That website featured an article which critical of Senator Clinton. The author was clearly a bot and in typical form he failed to identify himself or the anonoymous sources on which it is based. The purpose of the letter is to enlist some of the big names to assist us in cleaning it up big media. This portion is in line with some of the prior discussions of this blog.
    ——————————————
    3) third, the article has a distinctly Orwellian cast to it which we find quite troubling—some might even say “creepy”. For example, the writer refers to Obama as “shrewd and imaginative” for holding a meeting to “woo a former rival a bit so she does not complicate his presidency too much” and denigrates her deliberations over the job as “the only snag in an otherwise unusually smooth transition involving impressive choices” and proves that “getting involved with the Clintons is rarely uncomplicated”. Obviously, the writer is a sycophant locked in campaign mode determined to do a drive-by. Whether he or she is on the Obama team or a free lancer we cannot say.

    The purple prose of this writer is symptomatic of what we see in the media today. It is like Gresham’s Law in the sense that the bad money drives out the good. It is a deadly strain of yellow journalism, which began with the media’s adoration of candidate George W Bush, and its corresponding refusal to hold him accountable until the truth could no longer be denied. It continued with their headlong plunge into the Iraq War. And now you see it again in their deification of Obama. If Emile Zola were alive today he would repeat his famous words: “this is beyond the bounds of common sense, truth and justice. It is a stupid thing that would drag us back in time etc”.

    We can think of no better example than the pattern and practice of sexism which our dysfunctional media directed against Senator Clinton and Governor Palen in this election. We saw deranged men like Chris Mathews and Keith Olberman, petty patriarchal women like Andrea Mitchell, Campbell Brown, Maureen Dowd, and bloated executives like Steve Capus and Phi Griffin dragging us back in time on the issue of gender, while dismissing serious attempts to vet Obama, or clarify his ambiguous responses as veiled racism. But it is ironic that a website entitled “Women on the Web” would further the cause of sexism by attacking Senator Clinton in this manner.

    You may recall an editorial written by the former publisher of the Wall Street Journal Peter Kann entitled “A Report to The Wall Street Journal’s Readers” which appeared on January 9, 1992. In that article Kann identified the causal forces which have produced this Gotterdammerung in American journalism, i.e. the blurring of the line between journalism vs. entertainment; news vs. opinion; the pitfalls of pack journalism; exaggerated pessimism; the tyranny of social orthodoxies; ethical Puritanism; short term attention span; and the issue of power.
    With respect to the last point, we wish to repeat with emphasis his exact words because they are profound and should be cast in bronze and hung over every newsroom in the country: “The press is a powerful presence in our society. We really should not want it that way. The press’s purpose should be to empower its readers and viewers by providing them with relevant information with which to make decisions as individuals and viewers”.

    That is not at all what big media is doing today. Instead of telling us what we need to know, they presume to tell us what we should think. That is the business model of Pravda/Isvestia. Much of the fault can be traced to the editor’s desk, and the day Jack Welch bought NBC. If Ronald Reagan were alive right now, we rather suspect that he would be taking the press to task for the way it has betrayed the American People. We fancy that you would be there with him providing the words to drive home the essential point.

    __________, we need you and other distinguished journalists to address this issue. When Obama surrogates (Dean, Rice, inter alia) say he will “rule” our country, the media should challenge that statement in the moment because it violates the core constitutional principle that the American People are the sovereign, and the President is their servant– not their master. The true role of the media in a democracy is to empower the people and to speak truth to power. You could begin with the small yet consequential step of publicly repudiating the article in question and the website that published it under your name inter alia. If you have other ideas on the subject we would be delighted to hear them.

    Very truly yours,

  • carbynew

    I see Howard Dean did a “audible” and threw his panel mate and the media under the bus. Master bullshitter and didn’t answer the question, is protecting Hillary Clinton only but support for a women president…puh-lease.

    Howie saw all those crossed arms and pissed off expessions and that’s why he jumped in.

    As a independent now my focus will be to help women politicians on both side have a platform and support they can depend on.

    http://www.teamsarah.org

  • Emjay

    OMG wbboei

    What a wonderfully PRODUCTIVE way to spend your Thanksgiving!

    As opposed to yours truly, who is so carb packed and sugar (pie) stocked and shocked, I’m still taking naps every couple hours. I’m headed to WOWOWOW this minute.

  • Emjay

    carby, admin, et al”’

    Where can I find this testosterone godfest that Howler Dean tried to manipulate?

  • Emjay

    Opps, the video clip showed up…am heading over to c-span.

    Sorry I had so little patience.

  • JanH

    Admin,

    It never fails to amaze me that there are so many false heroes and twisted history moments that never come to light. And yet, there are even more unsung heroes, the likes of Shirley Chisholm and Marie Cocco who would remain so without those few brave souls, including yourself, who refuses to let such bravery die!

    Bravo!

    —————————————

    wbboei,

    It tales a lot to render me speechless, but your post above…well…simply brilliant!

  • mp

    I have stoppe dgoing to the movies recently….most of the stars were supporting BO and I just cannot bring myself to give an additional penny to their large supplies of dollars..

  • NewMexicoFan

    mp

    I feel the same way. So many people betrayed what I thought they believed it. It was like Dems at all cost, even thought the person was a fraud. I go rarely now. I thought I was the only one.

  • Mrs. Smith

    wbboei:

    Obama’s new site, change.gov is going to be using a new format called intense debate (the site created by a 17yr old guy) Big Pink uses a wordpress format as well as some of the features of wordpress.

    You can read about it here at the owner of wordpress’s site. This may be the way to go where you can start a thread and we can all participate. PUMA has sent thousands of letters and faxes to journalists and they fall on deaf ears and are ignored. Of course, most of the news readers ike Olberman and Matthews are highly paid to peddle the Pravda.

    Time for a Change…another venue and see if the news picks up what is going on with Women’s Rights.

    http://ma.tt/

  • Mrs. Smith

    wbboei:

    Obama’s new site, change dot gov is going to be using a new format called intense debate (the site created by a 17yr old guy) Big Pink uses a wordpress format as well as some of they are universal features of wordpress.

    You can read about it here at the owner of wordpress’s site. His site is simply this ( ma dot tt/ ) without the 3 w’s just add the ht tp and the : and the double slashes in front of the whole address.

    This may be the way to go where you can start a thread and we can all participate. PUMA has sent thousands of letters and faxes to journalists and they fall on deaf ears and are ignored. Of course, most of the news readers ike Olberman and Matthews are highly paid to peddle the Pravda.

    Time for a Change…another venue and see if the news picks up what is going on with Women’s Rights.

  • turndownobama-com

    Emjay Says:
    EMJ: November 28th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
    Except for the Aussie papers, all mine were radio or TV, some streamed over the internet, most not.

    TDO: Oh, sorry. I want listings that have a link where the readers can access the story for at least a day or two after I publish the link. If they need bells and whistles etc that’s ok, just so it stays around for a while.

    EMJ: I don’t worry so much about how a publication or broadcast “leans”, left or right, as I do about whether they are speaking the truth.

    TDO: Right. I’m looking for good unslanted informative articles, whichever way the source leans. Each article is a separate case on its own merits (just so it doesn’t come from crazy tinfoil either side).

  • dedfg

    These men get what they are doing to women and have done to women for years. It also shows the level of cruelty of these men since they pretend to not get what the problem is.

    (wait…until after they have gotten their own way.)

  • turndownobama-com

    Mrs. Smith Says:
    November 28th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
    wbboei:

    Obama’s new site, change.gov is going to be using a new format called intense debate (the site created by a 17yr old guy) Big Pink uses a wordpress format as well as some of the features of wordpress.

    You can read about it here at the owner of wordpress’s site. This may be the way to go where you can start a thread and we can all participate. PUMA has sent thousands of letters and faxes to journalists and they fall on deaf ears and are ignored. Of course, most of the news readers ike Olberman and Matthews are highly paid to peddle the Pravda.

    Time for a Change…another venue and see if the news picks up what is going on with Women’s Rights.

    http://ma.tt/
    ===================

    Offhand, this sounds like the Obama camp setting up a venue where they can control the ‘debate’ and bash anyone who disagrees with them. Just like they did the Dem Convention. Which Alinsky’s son said was a great example of ‘community organization’ — ie not letting any dissent be heard.

    h t t p : / / http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/letters/articles/2008/08/31/son_sees_fathers_handiwork_in_convention/
    [Alinsky's son says]….
    The Democratic National Convention had all the elements of the perfectly organized event, Saul Alinsky style. – L. DAVID ALINSKY [ more at this Boston Globe article ]

  • Paula

    http://stariq.com/NewsScope.HTM

    Hillary Clinton (October 26, 1947; 8:02 am; Chicago, IL) was born with an exact conjunction of Mars and Pluto in Leo, giving her a warrior’s fighting spirit, especially when she’s on a noble mission. This Mars-Pluto combo is right on Obama’s Leo Sun, which helps explain their frequent heated interactions. However, designating her as Secretary of State is astrologically synergistic, since her Mars-Pluto is in the Ninth House of Foreign Affairs.

    Ms. Clinton is bound to be an international star in this new role. As Pluto enters Capricorn it will trine her Virgo Midheaven, bringing her into the transformational situations that are restructuring our global village. Her progressed Sun also trines her Midheaven, so that between Pluto and her progressed Sun, she is becoming empowered in ways that she imagined she would be as president.

  • Paula

    Hillary Clinton (October 26, 1947; 8:02 am; Chicago, IL) was born with an exact conjunction of Mars and Pluto in Leo, giving her a warrior’s fighting spirit, especially when she’s on a noble mission. This Mars-Pluto combo is right on Obama’s Leo Sun, which helps explain their frequent heated interactions. However, designating her as Secretary of State is astrologically synergistic, since her Mars-Pluto is in the Ninth House of Foreign Affairs.

    Ms. Clinton is bound to be an international star in this new role. As Pluto enters Capricorn it will trine her Virgo Midheaven, bringing her into the transformational situations that are restructuring our global village. Her progressed Sun also trines her Midheaven, so that between Pluto and her progressed Sun, she is becoming empowered in ways that she imagined she would be as president.

    stariq.com/NewsScope.HTM

  • freckles

    For the vigilance we want to focus on the media, how about a site called Newsworthy. It could be Newsworthy.com or .org or whatever, or Newsworthy@puma.com.

    We could give examples of well-researched pieces of newsworthy material…and the opposite.

  • wbboei

    PUMA has sent thousands of letters and faxes to journalists and they fall on deaf ears and are ignored. Of course, most of the news readers ike Olberman and Matthews are highly paid to peddle the Pravda.
    ————————————-
    That is because they blast fax. Too impersonal. You gotta study their bio, get to know them, find out what makes them tick and appeal to their better angels. We cannot match the Chicago mob in terms of organization. We need to exploit their weaknesses, and wait for the tipping point when the public discovers he is not the Messiah and our problems accumulate and worse.

    By analogy, early in the war the German public believed the Bohemian corporal was the Messiah and women threw garlands at him. After Stalingrad the tide turnes but the propaganda machine never missed a beat. Bots of an earlier era were in high spirits even as the Wermacht was in full retreat on both fronts. But when the allies crossed the Rheine and Marshall Zukoff appeared on the outskirts of Berlin it was hard for the civilian population to suspend disbelief.

    My point only point is there comes a time when hard cold reality trumps propaganda. In this case it will not take that long.

    Here is the risk. First, we may have a stock market crash due to his policies. Second, the dollar may lose much of its value due to his improvident and prolifigate spending policies–including bailouts. The net effect could be a 50-75% reduction in our net worth–worst case scenario.

    If it turns out to be only half of that in the next couple years, the bloom will be off the rose. His pimply faced surrogates can sing change and it will sound like another song chains. They can shout from the roof tops that he is the Messiah and it will not matter a farthing. Under that sceario no one will be singing Happy Days Are Here Again. And change will mean getting rid of him and the hordes he swept into office.

    Today my broker told me to take an annuity rather than a lump sum payout which he could invest. I asked him why and he told me because if we put it in the market 50/50 eqities to bonds we could lose it. A month ago he told me we were within 10% of a market bottom. Obviously the assessmet has gotten more bleak.

  • turndownobama-com

    freckles Says:
    November 28th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
    For the vigilance we want to focus on the media, how about a site called Newsworthy. It could be Newsworthy.com or .org or whatever, or Newsworthy@puma.com.

    We could give examples of well-researched pieces of newsworthy material…and the opposite.

    =================

    Great idea for a sister project to mine. If someone wants to do the selection and analysis, it could be a section of mine or a standalone of theirs or whatever they like.

    I’ll feel lucky just to get a steady stream of links to decent stories, much less analysis, for midstreamnews.blogspot.com

    Newsworthy is a great name but
    h t t p : / / newsworthy.blogspot.com/ is taken, focusing on science news. Their template/layout is beautiful!

  • wbboei

    Paula: that is a good astrological report and I believe it will turn out to be true. I am also encouraged about the appointments as treasury and now defense. It is critical that a Secretary of State have a Secretary of Defense and Secretary of Defense they can work with and in this case, Hillary definitely does. Condelessa Rice by contrast did not. If we can stablize and improve the foreign situation the chances for domestic improvement in the long term are materially enhanced.

  • pm317

    But Samantha Power is back I hear (from comments on RD — don’t have a link). She is on the transition team for the State. Is she the mole in Hillary’s hired staff.

  • pm317

    rephrasing the question: will she be the mole on Hillary and her staff?

  • wbboei

    pm 317: I saw that too. It is a transition team of 14 people. Powers is one of the 14. Powers has outed herself so she cannot be an effective mole or spy. She was very contrite after she shot her mouth off before.

    As far as a permanent position, who knows? If it were me, I would reject her but not for the reason you might assume.

    She acted like a fool in the primary, and said some things that got her fired. Thereafter she was contrite. Depending on the kind of individual she is she might prove useful. She is not a mole, since she outed herself. There are ways to hold a snake where it will not bite you.

    The reason I would not hire her is because she has a tendency to talk to the media and get ahead of the boss as we saw in her comments which contradicted his stated position on Iraq. That is a fatal flaw in the sensitive world of international diplomacy.

    The people you worry about are those who you think are your friends who really are not. We think of psd, but I can tell you from experience sooner or later it happens to all of us.

  • wbboei

    pm: one further thought. I do not think bambi can force Powers on Hillary if she does not want her. The process has gone too far for that. All Hillary would have to do is remind Obama of that statement and Powers would be out. He fired her over that statement, and thereby ackowledged it was serious. Thus, if she ends up with a permanent positon it is because Hillary wants her there for some reason. I hope it does not happen.

  • wbboei

    I dont know how it is with you, but for me the older I get the more difficult it is to listen to people who are liars. I must tell you at one time they were subjects of strange fascination, and it was always a challenge to get them to tell a bigger whopper, and when they did everyone would get a kick out of it. But as I say, the older I get the more I just want to get away from them because nothing they say can be trusted or relied upon. Case in point: Howard Dean. When I saw him on the above video, I turned it off.

  • wbboei

    Confloyd: the evidence M compiled several months ago which was passed on to Brian Ross, and Martin was circumstantial but compelling. It strongly indicated that he was born in a home for unwed mothers in Vancouver, B.C. The evidence was the fact that she showed up on Mercer Island a few weeks thereafter and did not know how to take care of the baby. That is consistent with the practice in such homes whereby the child is taken away from the mother at birth and offered up for adoption. That is why she did not know how to take care of the baby. In this case we concluded that the mother changed her mind, and left the home. Our further conclusion was that Franklin Marshall Davis may well have been the real father rather than Barack Obama, and quite possibly the real birth certificate would give some clue as to that. None of us can pick our parents, but if that information had come out during the election, it would have given pause to many voters given Marshalls provocative, unpatriotic and libertine views and lifestyle. And of course if he was born in Canada under the prevailing law at that time, he would not qualify as a US citizen through either parent–unless the father was Marshall.

  • Sherm Kader

    There has been recent discussion on here about possibly useful sources of news and other information. I’ve just learned about twitter dot com, and I wonder if it is something useful to us. For example, I read that was the best source of information on what was happening in Mumbai. Some are also saying this is becoming a major source of news and information on just about anything.

    I plead total ignorance on this other than the tidbits I just mentioned. I hope someone can enlighten me. If Twitter could be useful for us here, then I want to know how to take advantage of it. Thanks.

  • pm317

    wbboei, there was also the evidence of her registering in the Fall of ’61 at U of Washington, I think for two semesters.

  • confloyd

    wbboei, thanks for the information, I just have this gut feeling that the real father is Davis and that is what the whole thing about the bc is, a coverup of the real father’s name. Davis is an american and so was his mom, but that Davis was known as a communist, well that would not of boded well with the public. Obama is a fake from the time he was born until today and will continue to be a fake. What do we really know about the future 44th President, NOT MUCH! Thats how he wants it too!
    Have they announced the SOS yet?? I have been busy at the bar, very tired, I am not used to staying up all night at a bar!! LOL!! Its just now kicking off and beginning to be known!!

  • basil9

    Coward is such a f***ing liar!

    I thought he didn’t get cable TV?

    “And that was the sore that was unroofed by what went on, on the cable television stations especially regarding Hillary Clinton’s campaign”

  • Emjay

    Sherm

    Twitter is a system, much like IM, and each msg is limited in character count…140, maybe 180, I think. Each msg is sent to a Twitter address.

  • Emjay

    Sherm, everyone

    Here is a short tutorial on Twitter…about 2.5 minutes long.

    youtube.com/watch?v=ddO9idmax0o

  • wbboei

    wbboei, there was also the evidence of her registering in the Fall of ‘61 at U of Washington, I think for two semesters
    ————————————–
    yes, pm that is true. M walked me through all the evidence. My recollection is as follows:

    1. he produced a fraudulent birth certificate on his own website. Forensic experts confirmed this.

    2. he produced a second fraudulent birth certificate on a site affiliated with the mad bomber and reducation specialist Ayers.

    3. he produced a live birth registration which indicates a home birth. This is contrary to prior statements that he was born in a Hawaiian hospital. It is simply a declaration by the mother with no independent proof.

    (Note: this is precisely what his mother would have done if he born out of state when she returned and sought financial assistance.)

    4. he met secretly with Hawaiian officials who confirmed the existence of a birth certificate but at his behest refused to produce it. Why? Is it because it shows Franklin Marshall Davis as the real father?

    5. then all this legal maneuvering to avoid producing it–hundreds of thosands of dollars spent to avoid disclosing something that all of us have and would disclose without incident in response to a valid request. Yet he refuses to produce it to prove he is eligible to be POUSA.

    6. None of this is inconsistent with the behavior of someone who has nothing to hide.

  • Emjay

    Sherm

    Evidence of trouble in Twitter-land:

    news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-10109068-36.html

  • wbboei

    Emjay: you know what happens a week from today in Philadelphia. I know which side of the stadium you and your mom would be sitting on.

  • wbboei

    Coward is such a f***ing liar!
    —————————————
    Basil: that is the nicest thing anyone could say about him. My opening statement would be a waste of protoplasm and it would go down quickly from there. Three rules all liars should observe: i) first, you have got to look them in the eye when you tell the lie, ii) second, it has got to sound credible, and iii) third, your overt actions must be not be contrary to what you are saying. Howie could learn from this.

  • pm317

    wbboei, if we are like Sherlock Holmes, we would recognize that everything about his life, birth, parents, and such are all coming from HIM and only HIM. So we don’t even know if Barack Obama Sr. is the father or he could just be a character in his mother’s life that he made up. All important players are dead (conveniently), now even the granny. Where was the need for him to write a memoir at such a young age? We know he lies and he lies with relish.

    OK, here is the unasked question: can he at this point get some people to forge an acceptable BC (assuming the current one is not) if the Supremes want him to produce it?

  • Emjay

    hey wbboei

    Help me place my bet with the greener-than-green buddy. He has been trying to teach me Walrasian bet negociation and I just don’t get it!

    I want Navy, am willing to give him Army and six. We are at the point where I already told him the probability of my givng him Army and more than 9 was not in the picture by telling him that Army and double digits was probably not in the picture.

    One of his latest offers was to offer me Army and 35 and I GRABBED it. He laughed and told me we were still negociating.

    His last offer to me was:

    “Army-Navy approacheth. Would you like Army and 9? Remember you said single digits only for Army–a bounding constraint of which our dear Walras would disapprove . . . and I don’t want Army and 9. I’ll take Navy and 25. What now, Ranger?”

    I’ve got to respond and I don’t know what’s going on or what to do next.

  • Emjay

    wbboei

    Remember you are talking to a lady who has to write on a little piece of paper…”pair, 2 pair, 3 of a kind…etc and look up the rest to add to the paper. Only then do I dare sit at a poker table, but never lose bad and win sometimes.

  • Mrs. Smith

    turndownnobama says:

    “Offhand, this sounds like the Obama camp setting up a venue where they can control the ‘debate’ and bash anyone who disagrees with them. Just like they did the Dem Convention. Which Alinsky’s son said was a great example of ‘community organization’ — ie not letting any dissent be heard.”
    ————————————————-
    everyone is wise to Alinsky’s tactics.. and the Obama supporters has used them liberally.

    Thats the name of the game ‘turndownnobama”… when you go to war to make change or declare the Truth, you are going head to head with the enemy. This will be a public presidential site. Dissenting opinion has just as much right to be heard as the status quo. If not, we have the right to demand shutting it down. At least the “Truth is Out there” and will be read by millions letting them know they are not alone.

    That to me is a key element. People giving up hope if things go from bad to worse. Which at this point in time, is a distinct possiblity.

  • Mrs. Smith

    Desperation and fear in people are beginning to show. Is it any wonder how bad this economy is going to get before it bottoms out.

    The Bail-Out has yet to help citizens facing foreclosure. People are turning to their basic instincts for survival. After the Holidays are over is when this disproportionate seething electorate will come to a head.

    We are gravitating to the point of “The Haves and the Have Nots” and it won’t be a pretty sight. Especially if people are thinking this is a replay of former years. It isn’t.

    The Pats Act I II III have changed all that. Protest Demonstrations and Civil Disobedience are cause for declaring Martial Law now a days.

    Remember now, the Constitution has been seriously altered and will not back demonstrations if they are deemed a threat to National Security, the catch-all phrase for quelling dissent.

    Take a peek at what the government is doing with our money at pumasunleashed dot wordpress dot com.

    Wbboei, annuties are in the dumpster.. Buy Treasury Bills, they are they only investments turning a profit.

  • lil ole grape

    With regard to the birth certificate/eligibility buzz, (among other controversies) I remind myself that where there is no information or only disparate parts of stories available, then connecting the dots becomes as fanciful as Rorschach images which each of us sees according to our own subjectivity … or else we eagerly embrace somebody else’s fancy… but really, sometimes we just have to wait until eventually the truth will out.
    And then I sigh…I really hope I live long enough to find out what the hell this current political scene is about! At this point I firmly believe only the David McCullough of 2075 or 3001 knows!

  • Emjay

    wbboei

    I agree w/ Mrs Smith re annuities…check to see if your broker, even if your best friend, gets a commission each month, quarter, year etc., as you get paid.

    It sounds like you need to rollover to another organization and reconsider everything. Rollover should cost you zero.

  • wbboei

    I firmly believe only the David McCullough of 2075 or 3001 knows!
    ————————————
    or we may know more on december 5, 2008

  • wbboei

    wbboei

    I agree w/ Mrs Smith re annuities…check to see if your broker, even if your best friend, gets a commission each month, quarter, year etc., as you get paid.

    It sounds like you need to rollover to another organization and reconsider everything. Rollover should cost you zero
    ————————————
    The remarkable thing here is that the broker acted against his self interest in recommending I go into an annuity which he gets no commission on. He would be money ahead if he had advised me to take a lump sum and give it to him to churn on as I offered to do. He is with one of the top brokerage houses in the country and is one of their best. And that is what scared me. Lets hope these concerns are overblown . . . .

  • ABM90

    I’m baaaaaack: Been trying to open comments for 2 days and managed to dig a very deep hole and finally got out by blind luck.Please don’t ask me where I have traveled because I don’t have a clue.Now I know what The chosen one is facing as the big fan is whirring stuff is flying and his inexperience is going to sink him into the great unknown of politics at its worst.

    BY ABM90. Just like our Hillary I got up dusted myself off and I am back in business.

  • valleyboy

    hello from a lurker finally chiming in. :)

    I worry about the SoS appointnent because we know Obama cannot be trusted, and because of Biden’s “generated crisis” disclosure. HRC is still a “threat” to Obama politically, and the haters would be amused at her going down by sniper fire. Do we trust him to send her into harm’s way? I worry that Americans would not be provoked into war if Condi Rice were captured, or worse, but they would for Hillary. And where is Biden anyway, in the basement with tape over his mouth so he doesn’t spoil the plot any more than he already has? LOL?

    Even if that’s a baseless fear, I think her leadership is needed right here at home in the Senate: fixing the economy, working for healthcare, saving the environment, and keeping Obama’s ego from having its own weather system.

  • Emjay

    wbboei

    is annuity thru the brokerage, an insurance co or a banking entity? Any mechanism for it to continue to grow, even if only COL or rise in interest rates?

  • turndownobama-com

    Emjay Says:
    November 29th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
    wbboei

    Remember you are talking to a lady who has to write on a little piece of paper…”pair, 2 pair, 3 of a kind…etc and look up the rest to add to the paper. Only then do I dare sit at a poker table, but never lose bad and win sometimes.
    =================

    LOL, sounds like me! I can’t remember which cards have already been played, either, I don’t even try. But like you, I never lost bad, often won. Usually came away with a profit.

  • wbboei

    My nightmare in this whole thing is that what is really happening here is the powers that be are in the process of shifting the balance of power away from the American People and in the direction of global elites and their institutions. The US Constitution, federalism, national borders, tariffs etc. are institutions that protect the American People from ravaging effects of competiton from low cost countries. They operate on the same principle as a craft guild and constitute an entry barrier which preserves our standard of living, a national identity and many of the other things that give meaning to life. No indigenous population wants free trade when it lessens the value of their goods and services. It is what the capitalists wants because they see borders etc as sources of friction to the efficient movement of goods and services from producer to customer. That is what I believe is behind all this.

  • turndownobama-com

    lil ole grape Says:
    November 29th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
    With regard to the birth certificate/eligibility buzz, (among other controversies) I remind myself that where there is no information or only disparate parts of stories available, then connecting the dots becomes as fanciful as Rorschach images which each of us sees according to our own subjectivity … or else we eagerly embrace somebody else’s fancy… but really, sometimes we just have to wait until eventually the truth will out.
    ==============

    I agree! That’s one reason I’m staying out of it.

    Still, remember the old puzzle about the red hat and the blue hat?

  • ABM90

    valleyboy; In the senate hillary would face the uphill battle to get legislation through those that stole her right to beCIC will still be there to block anything she tries to accomplish.Work with snakes and the future looks glim.

    By ABM90

  • turndownobama-com

    wbboei Says:
    The remarkable thing here is that the broker acted against his self interest in recommending I go into an annuity which he gets no commission on. He would be money ahead if he had advised me to take a lump sum and give it to him to churn on as I offered to do. He is with one of the top brokerage houses in the country and is one of their best. And that is what scared me. Lets hope these concerns are overblown . . . .
    ==================

    Yep, there’s a blue hat blowing in the wind.

  • wbboei

    Emjay: this is a pension arrangement. It is administered through a trust. The trustees are the employer–who is the leading package delivery company in the world. They are probably as good a risk as any corporate bond. The way these trusts work is they are only partially funded and as more people retire the employer makes increased contributions. The payment is made though check deposit every month. In the event that there is a default, the US government supposedly guarantees the pension payment up to $2400 per month.

    As I was writing this response I was thinking that what we are seeing now really is a failure of capitalism the likes of which we have not seen since 1929. In that case we had a president who took the side of the American People and against the monied interests, i.e. J. P. Morgan etc. It may well be that todays money interests remember that history and want to make sure that this time they had a president who they could control if things got rough. Obama is perfect for that, given the way he put the interests of capitalists ahead of those of his constituents in Illinois. That is speculation and time will tell if it is right.

  • CountTheVotes

    confloyd Says:
    November 29th, 2008 at 10:44 am

    wbboei, thanks for the information, I just have this gut feeling that the real father is Davis and that is what the whole thing about the bc is, a coverup of the real father’s name.

    ****
    interesting…though if this is correct and the BC goes to the SCOTUS, then they may simply approve his citizenship and nothing about Frank Davis on his BC would ever become public. Even if it does become public and is scandalous, I don’t know that that would change much – he’d still be President even if his true father was likely a child-molester.

  • wbboei

    Yep, there’s a blue hat blowing in the wind
    ————————————–
    Are you suggesting that I am buying the Brooklyn Bridge. I tried but they refused to sell it.

  • wbboei

    interesting…though if this is correct and the BC goes to the SCOTUS, then they may simply approve his citizenship and nothing about Frank Davis on his BC would ever become public. Even if it does become public and is scandalous, I don’t know that that would change much – he’d still be President even if his true father was likely a child-molester.
    ————————————–
    Confloyd: then you are suggesting they will give him citizenship even though he does not qualify? In that case, it would have to be effective prior to January 20. And they would have to find a way around the provision since it was put into the constitution to prevent Hamilton from becoming President since he was born in the West Indies, and some of the framers were not fond of him. Is there any case law that addresses this question? Or would they just invent it out of thin air. I was having this very discussion with M the other day and she did not think it could be done. It is hard to judge these things from the outside.

  • Emjay

    I don’t know why this morning’s article makes me so angry, but it does. It feels like the author just CAN’T LET IT ALONE.

    Obama team repackaging Clinton after campaign digs

    By NANCY BENAC, Associated Press Writer Nancy Benac, Associated Press Writer – Sat Nov 29, 8:28 am ET

    WASHINGTON – It wasn’t too long ago that Barack Obama and his advisers were tripping over one another to tear down Hillary Rodham Clinton’s foreign policy credentials. She was dismissed as a commander in chief wanna-be who did little more than sip tea and make small talk with foreign leaders during her days as first lady.

    “What exactly is this foreign policy experience?” Obama said mockingly of the New York senator. “Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no.”

    That was in March, when Clinton was Obama’s sole remaining rival for the Democratic presidential nomination.

    Now, Clinton is on track to become Obama’s secretary of state.

    And, unsurprisingly, the sniping at her foreign policy credentials is a thing of the past.

    Obama adviser William Daley over the weekend said Clinton would be “a tremendous addition to this administration. Tremendous.”

    Senior adviser David Axelrod called Clinton a “demonstrably able, tough, brilliant person.”

    Last spring, though, Clinton was targeted with a steady stream of criticism via conference call, e-mail and campaign-trail digs from the Obama camp, all aimed at shredding her self-portrait as an experienced and confident leader on the international stage. Some of those doing the sniping will be taking up key positions — most likely along with Clinton — in the new Obama administration.

    Greg Craig, selected to serve as White House counsel in the Obama administration, delivered a withering attack during the primaries on Clinton’s claims that she could rightfully share in the credit for some of the foreign policy successes of her husband’s presidency.

    “She did not sit in on any National Security Council meetings when she was first lady,” Craig insisted in one conference call. He went on to knock down Clinton’s claims to influence in the Northern Ireland peace process, opening borders for refugees during the war in Kosovo, and making a dangerous visit to Bosnia.

    “There is no reason to believe … that she was a key player in foreign policy at any time during the Clinton administration,” Craig wrote in a campaign memo.

    Susan Rice, an Obama adviser who could land a spot in the new administration, mocked the idea that Clinton could lay claim to foreign policy credentials by marriage.

    “There is no crisis to be dealt with or managed when you are first lady,” Rice sniffed last March. “You don’t get that kind of experience by being married to a commander in chief.”

    Clinton was only too happy to make light of Obama’s own foreign policy credentials, suggesting his biggest selling point was a 2002 speech against going to war with Iraq. “Many people gave speeches against the war then,” she said in a February debate.

    Robert Gelbard, an adviser to the Obama campaign on foreign policy who worked in the Clinton administration, said in March that Clinton had more involvement in foreign policy than a lot of first ladies, but added that “her role was limited and I’ve been surprised at the claims that she had a much greater role.”

    Well, never mind about all of that now.

    “That was then; this is now,” said David Gergen, who has served as an adviser to both Republican and Democratic presidents. “Campaigns are ever thus.”

    “Generally speaking,” Gergen said, “there is a recognition that campaigns bring a certain amount of hyperbole, and when it’s over you try to find the most talented people you can find to work with you.”

    Clinton may not have been at the table when her husband made the big decisions, Gergen said, but “she’s been imbibing questions on foreign policy and decision-making since 1992.”

    A spokesperson for the Obama transition team declined to comment on the shift in tone.

    It also should be said that some of the wounds to Clinton’s foreign policy credentials during the primaries were self-inflicted, most famously her inflated account of the drama associated with a visit she made to Bosnia.

    “I remember landing under sniper fire,” she recounted in a speech. “There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”

    Soon enough, video footage surfaced of Clinton’s unremarkable airport arrival ceremony, where she was welcomed by dignitaries and posed for photos with children.

    Clinton brought up the Bosnia trip to counter Obama’s suggestion that her experiences as first lady amounted to having tea at an ambassador’s house.

    “I don’t remember anyone offering me tea,” she said of the Bosnia visit.

    Clinton, in an April debate, blamed her Bosnia gaffe on campaign fatigue. But she did not back away from her claim to broad foreign policy experience as first lady.

    “I was not as accurate as I have been in the past,” she said. “But I know, too, that being able to rely on my experience of having gone to Bosnia, gone to more than 80 countries, having represented the United States in so many different settings, gives me a tremendous advantage going into this campaign.”

    Well, maybe not in the campaign, as it turned out.

    But maybe, just perhaps, as secretary of state.

  • wbboei

    sorry confloyd I meant count.

    sorry count I did not mean confloyd.

  • wbboei

    I don’t know why this morning’s article makes me so angry, but it does. It feels like the author just CAN’T LET IT ALONE
    —————————————-
    Emjay: AP is a polluted shop. This article is harmful to the country.

  • turndownobama-com

    wbboei said: No indigenous population wants free trade when it lessens the value of their goods and services. It is what the capitalists wants because they see borders etc as sources of friction to the efficient movement of goods and services from producer to customer. That is what I believe is behind all this.
    ==============

    And yet isn’t that what the Clntons’ 90s ‘globalization’ thing was about? He wanted Europe to import our food. Him and Tony Blair and ‘Third Way’.

    One of the cites below talks about globalization so far havign benefited mostly an international ‘elite’ and some low income people in Asia, at teh expense of the middle class. (I suuppose those low income people in Asia are now in factories making the wonderful little wireless mouse Im using with unintelligible documentation adn other things we order thorugh eBay which cost less than the shipping adn then we notice it came from Hong Kong, wow.)

    Summers’ current sequel to what worked in the 90s
    h t t p : / / http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/10/magazine/10wwln-summers-t.html?_r=1
    making globalization work for the [middle class?] masses — has become the central economic issue of the day in Summers’s mind. And since his Harvard presidency ended a year ago, he has set out on a search for solutions. To him, it seems like a natural sequel to the policies he pushed in the 1990s.

    h t t p : / / http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/26/business/economy/26leonhardt.html?_r=1

    My sketchy impression is that Summers and the rest of the CLintons’ Rubin team steered the economy in one direction which worked in the 90s and now THE SAME TEAM is trying to correct or adjust course for the next stage.

    I’m not presuming to argue with you, just looking for clarification, your overview that sees both sides of this….

  • turndownobama-com

    wbboei aid: And they would have to find a way around the provision since it was put into the constitution to prevent Hamilton from becoming President since he was born in the West Indies, and some of the framers were not fond of him.
    =============

    Oh ho. Maybe that is what Keyes will argue from? Being a constitutional scholar himself and all. Look to what the framers really had in mind when they wrote that provision: a way to get rid of someone they don’t like!

    So now, do we look at whether the framers would also dislike Obama? Whether Obama is a Hamiltonian? Or do we look at who are now the equivalent of the framers, and whether they like or dislike Obama (and/or Hamilton)?

    Whee, all hats to the wind!

  • JanH

    Emjay Says:

    November 29th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
    I don’t know why this morning’s article makes me so angry, but it does. It feels like the author just CAN’T LET IT ALONE.

    —————————————–

    Emjay,

    These media hacks have nothing new to spin regarding Hillary, SOS, and Obama. That is why they are like a dog with a bone and dredging up things that were spun from nothing and made huge ridiculous deals of in the first place.

    Anyone with half a brain is going to look at this stuff and yawn!

  • turndownobama-com

    Re the trouble some people are havign with comments access, I just had an email from Blue (the one who is working on the ‘News Vigilantes’ or ‘Midstream News’ project, not Blue Democrat or Bluegirl etc) saying he still can’t get on. He has a Mac and has tried Firefox and IE.

    I have a PC with XP, no problems.

    This post is a test of Opera 7.54. Other versions of Opera are fine too. (But then, on my old XP computer, everything is fine, nya nya.)

  • djia

    is malcolm x obama’s real father???

    this lays it all out and is more plausible than Davis or Obama Sr.

    atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html

  • wbboei

    Turndown> Excellent post. I learned something. I think Hillary has a different position on trade than Bill did in the 1990s and it came up on the campaign trail in places like Ohio. In essence, he believed in free trade whereas she believed in fair trade the diffence being that we proceed cautiously knowing what is at stake.

    Take Mexico for example. The assumption in the 1990s was that its economy would prosper through free trade and under Carlos Salinas (I think that was his name). But by the early 2000 however things were not so grand.

    I remember having dinner in Los Angeles with a lady who was part of the Mexican elite. She was the friend of a friend. Her family raised bulls for the arena, and her husband was the son of the patriach. I remember her because she reminded you of Elizabeth Taylor when she starred with Paul Newman in Cat On The Hot Tin Roof.

    In any event we talked about NAFTA and its effect on Mexico. She said there was alot of excitement in the beginning and the elites decided to invest in the emerging market economy instead of sending their money overseas. But by the end of the decade those hopes were dashed and people lost confidence in Salinas. She told me the interest rate on her AMEX card was 36%.

    The Virgin of Guadalupe is the patron saint of Mexico. You can buy replicas on the street corner. If you examine the label it says made in China. China mfn trumped NAFTA. And in this last election, the populist candidate came very close to winning. Farmers in the southern provinces hate NAFTA. The sound like Ross Perot except you never hear them say I love the American People–which is just as well.

  • valleyboy

    I’ve had problems getting to the comments pages too, “not found”.
    I finally re-set my computer to an earlier date and then accessed OK, not sure why that worked.

  • wbboei

    One other point about free trade that I saw and Hillary mentioned. The benefits are not equally distributed. The border towns and port cities prosper while the interior of the country does not. I bought some Napoleon brand pickeles beans the other day, they were damned near inedible and when I looked at the label they said made in china. Why we should be importing junk like that when we have them here is a mystery to me. Next thing you know I will be checking the martini olives for proof of citizenship.

  • carbynew

    NO! Malcolm X is not Obama’s real father, he wish….that article is to give “street cred’ to his grassroot supporters from that fraction, which by the way are not very happy with him now.

  • wbboei

    djia Says:

    November 29th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
    is malcolm x obama’s real father???

    this lays it all out and is more plausible than Davis or Obama Sr.

    atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html
    ———————————
    Dija: that is indeed the other possibility. In that case he would not be perceived as a symbol of integration but separtism. So he would what to keep that quiet as well.

  • Emjay

    JanH

    Sorry to disappoint you about my brain. I did not yawn, I threw my teacup.

  • wbboei

    carbynew Says:

    November 29th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
    NO! Malcolm X is not Obama’s real father, he wish….that article is to give “street cred’ to his grassroot supporters from that fraction, which by the way are not very happy with him now.
    ——————————–
    carby, I tend to agree with you.

  • djia

    carbynew, i am not so sure about that, but then who is sure about anything obama??

  • djia

    I just wish this nightmare would end!!!

  • JanH

    Emjay,

    Honestly I wasn’t trying to insult you. I’m so sorry. I was just talking in general that we shouldn’t worry that anyone will believe that crap.

  • carbynew

    OPEC, Struggling to Move in Concert, Considers Cutting Output
    By JAD MOUAWAD

    CAIRO — Faced with plunging oil prices and shrinking revenues, members of the OPEC cartel suggested on Saturday that they might lower production for the third time this year when they meet in Algeria next month.

    But the group’s unwillingness to seek an immediate cut in output even as demand craters in the United States and the world edges into a broad recession reflects the difficulties the cartel is facing in trying to stop prices from falling.

    At a chaotic news briefing held in a hotel lobby here, OPEC’s president, Chakib Khelil, stressed that compliance with previous production cuts was satisfactory. But even as the organization tries to present a unified front, it is facing the incredibly tough task of trying to stop prices from falling at a time when demand is no longer growing.

    After six years of rising prices and little tension within the group, members of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries are growing distrustful of one another’s pledges to trim production. As a result, OPEC has proved ineffective at slowing the slide in prices, let alone reversing it.

    After reaching a historic high in July, oil has lost $90 a barrel, to about $55, as economic growth suddenly slowed in recent months and the financial system seized up.

    At their last two meetings in recent months, OPEC members pledged to withdraw two million barrels a day from the market. It is inevitable that OPEC will have to reduce its production more in coming months, analysts said.

    Saudi Arabia’s oil minister, Ali al-Naimi, said the group would “do what needs to be done” to shore up prices.

    Mr. Naimi also said that $75 a barrel was a “fair price,” echoing comments made by King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia in an interview with Al-Seyassah, a Kuwaiti newspaper, that was published the same day. It is the first time in years that Saudi officials have talked about a specific price.

    Oil prices gained 9 percent last week, after rebounding from three-year lows, as markets anticipated that OPEC would cut its production on Saturday. They were unchanged in thin trading on Friday in New York at $54.43 a barrel but could slip back below $50 again next week.

    OPEC does not publish production figures from its members, so countries have to rely on so-called secondary sources, which include estimates by oil consultants and monthly figures published by the International Energy Agency.

    Some producers believe that Iran and Venezuela, which have been the most vocal in calling for new production cuts to shore up prices, are not carrying enough of the burden. Others, like Angola, see little upside to reducing their own output while they seek to attract new investors. Some, like Saudi Arabia, do not want to lose both market share and revenue while others benefit from their production cuts.

    At the same time, OPEC producers are desperate to stem the slide. Most producers need prices of $60 to $90 a barrel to balance their budgets.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/30/business/worldbusiness/30opec.html
    *****************************************************
    Why do I feel that once Obama is in office the price of gas will go up?

    I’m a big supporter of Energy independence and not only alternative but utilizing our own resources…keep our money circling at home and not give it to “countries that hate us.”

    It is so stupid to have 70% of you vital national security in the hands of foreign governments….STUPID!

  • carbynew

    Party looks to co-opt grass-roots network
    But some fear DNC risks turning off Obama idealists
    By Peter Wallsten and Tom Hamburger

    Tribune Newspapers

    WASHINGTON — Along with two wars and a collapsing economy, President-elect Barack Obama faces the challenge of dealing with a growing argument among his aides and supporters over what to do with the army of volunteers and local political operatives who helped propel him to the White House.

    The organization is a potentially priceless asset, with its powerful fundraising system, neighborhood-level volunteer networks, trained organizers, and a proven ability to marshal popular support—both for Obama and for his ideas.

    But it’s also an organization of outsiders whose leader is now head of the national political establishment and titular leader of the Democratic Party. Even as Obama begins to surround himself with some of Washington’s leading party insiders—hard-nosed pragmatists accustomed to compromise and accommodation—much of Obama’s army is energized by idealism and commitment to breaking free from old ways of doing politics.

    So the challenge is to integrate Obama’s political organization into his larger role as president without damaging its commitment and zeal.

    In simplest terms, the argument going on inside the Obama hierarchy is whether to follow tradition and turn over the machinery to the Democratic National Committee, where the national party can use it to support all Democrats and target Republicans, or harness it around the “Obama brand”—an approach advocated by some of the president-elect’s former campaign organizers.

    “If it’s in the party,” said Marshall Ganz, a Harvard University lecturer who helped design the training curriculum for Obama’s network of organizers, “that’s a way to kill it.”

    Steve Hildebrand, Obama’s deputy campaign manager and an architect of the grass-roots network, has been warning the president-elect’s team of the risk of turning off activists who were inspired by Obama but never considered themselves a part of his political party.

    These activists, Hildebrand said, could be inspired to fight for Obama’s proposals for health-care reform or combating global warming, but would ignore appeals that began to sound like old-fashioned party politics.

    “Barack got elected with a significant number of independent voters and a fair number of Republicans. And the agenda that he ran on is not just a Democratic agenda, it’s a broad agenda,” Hildebrand said. “If all of the communications comes from the DNC, it may not engage as many people we’re going to need to engage at the grass-roots level.”

    Hildebrand added an additional argument for maintaining the network outside the Democratic Party: It might be used at times to challenge Democratic lawmakers should they not hew to the Obama agenda. The organization, he said, could “pressure anybody who we would need to build a coalition of votes in the House and Senate.”

    Obama’s transition aides declined comment, saying no decisions have been made about the future of the campaign network. But one early indication of where his closest advisers stand on the issue came this week, when campaign manager David Plouffe used the vaunted e-mail list of supporters and donors to ask for additional donations to help the DNC retire its election-year debt.

    “We’ll get to work transforming this country,” Plouffe wrote. “But first, we need to take care of the DNC.”

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-obama-transition14nov14,0,6080406,print.story
    *****************************************************
    Some very interesting insight to some on Team Obama’s thinking they are above the Democratic Party and will use it against them…hmmmm that will go go over very well with the dimocrats.

    Can’t wait for the fireworks on that one. I’m so glad Hillary took herself out of the line of fire in the Congress because they won’t have Hillary Clinton to punch around like they did during the primary.

    This time the grassroot will be attacking their idol Obama, whom they say is where there allegiance is with anyway.

  • confloyd

    Lil Ol Grape, I agree with you, hopefully we will all live long enough to find out whats with this current political scene.
    I just know we have to wait over a century to find out exactly what happened to John Kennedy, wouldn’t it be the ultimate conspiracy theory for them to somehow linked!
    I guess for the next 4 years we will all wonder who Obama’s real father is. Maybe we should all contemplate who is really Obama’s mother is as well, afterall do we have any concrete proof who his parents are???

  • wbboei

    It might be used at times to challenge Democratic lawmakers should they not hew to the Obama agenda. The organization, he said, could “pressure anybody who we would need to build a coalition of votes in the House and Senate.”
    —————————————
    Potentially a shot across the bow of Pelosi and Reid. Obama is a shill for international business interests.

  • wbboei

    Question: what does it mean if I say you are a monster, then I get fired for it, then I say I am sorry and really admire you and then you say I accept your apology. Does it mean:

    1. I accept the fact that you are sorry?

    2. I accept the the fact that you are sorry and will not hold it against you personally?

    3. I accept the fact that you are sorry and will not hold it against you personally or professionally–even if it impacts our ability to work togther or trust eachother?

    You know what I am talking about. AP insists that it means 3–amnesty Since they are whores it is only natural that they would insist upon the broadest interpretation. Well I disagree with them–no surprise that. I think it means 1 or possible 2–but not 3. You cannot unring a bell.

  • ABM90

    I have an uneasy feeling that Bo has read and studied the Hitler Book “Mein Kampf ” there are too many similarities in his to do list that are chilling and will eventualy become a scary scenario in these unstable world times.He seems to not have a clue on how to solve the problems this country faces.Only the shadow knows.

    BY ABM90 Hope and Change. Hope forwhat? Change to what?
    Truly a twighlight zone

  • confloyd

    Ap. Obama will nominate Hillary Clinton on Monday. I pray she is making the right decision for herself!

  • wbboei

    Confloyd: are you home or at work?

  • Emjay

    It hit the news 10 min ago. it’s official.

    But our unfavorite AP Mole Beth had to be nasty anyway
    —————————————————-

    Obama to name Clinton secretary of state on Monday

    By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer Beth Fouhy, Associated Press Writer – 6 mins ago

    President-elect Barack Obama planned to nominate Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton as his secretary of state on Monday, transforming a once-bitter political rivalry into a high-level strategic and diplomatic partnership.

    Obama will name the New York senator to his national security team at a news conference in Chicago, Democratic officials said Saturday. They requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly for the transition team.

    To clear the way for his wife to take the job, former President Bill Clinton agreed to disclose the names of every contributor to his foundation since its inception in 1997. He’ll also refuse donations from foreign governments to the Clinton Global Initiative, his annual charitable conference, and will cease holding CGI meetings overseas.

    Bill Clinton’s business deals and global charitable endeavors were expected to create problems for the former first lady’s nomination. But in negotiations with the Obama transition team, the former president agreed to several measures designed to bring transparency to his post-presidential work.

    The Clinton pick was an extraordinary gesture of goodwill after a year in which the two rivals competed for the Democratic nomination in a long, bitter primary battle.

    The two clashed repeatedly on foreign affairs during the 50-state contest, with Obama criticizing Clinton for her vote to authorize the Iraq war and Clinton saying that Obama lacked the experience to be president. She also chided him for saying he would meet with leaders of rogue nations like Iran and Cuba without preconditions.

    The bitterness began melting away in June after Clinton ended her campaign and endorsed Obama. She went on to campaign for him in his general election contest against Republican Sen. John McCain.

    Advisers said Obama had for several months envisioned Clinton as his top diplomat, and he invited her to Chicago to discuss the job shortly after the Nov. 4 election. Clinton was said to be interested and then to waver, concerned about relinquishing her Senate seat and the political independence it conferred.

    Those concerns were largely ameliorated after Obama assured her she would be able to choose a staff and have direct access to him, advisers said.

    Remaining in the Senate also may not have been an attractive choice for Clinton. Despite her political celebrity, she is a relatively junior senator without prospects for a leadership position or committee chairmanship anytime soon.

  • rickya

    The Clintons are giving so many concessions for a job that is esentially powerless. I hope she is doing the right thing.

  • skmf12

    Hi admin,

    i dont know what i’m doing here, i cant stand to see, or talk, about anything that has to do with politics.

    i’ve dropped in a few times and tried to read thru the threads, but, ‘no can do…’
    i would like to comment on the fine articles i’ve peeked at here, but, i cant! its like i have peanut butter in my mouth, i cant do it. its so weird. its like i’ve been secretly programed somehow, to feel revulsion when anything political is brought to my attention.

    SO JUST WANT TO TELL YOU, WELL I DONT KNOW REALLY WHAT I WANT TO TELL YOU…
    I GUESS I HOPE YOU ARE ALRIGHT, AND DOING GOOD, AND THE SAME FOR ALL OF YOU HERE.

    HOPE THE HOLIDAYS AND COMING YEARS ARE GOOD TO YOU…

    THANKS

  • admin

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  • wbboei

    I have an uneasy feeling that Bo has read and studied the Hitler Book “Mein Kampf ” there are too many similarities in his to do list that are chilling and will eventualy become a scary scenario in these unstable world times.He seems to not have a clue on how to solve the problems this country faces.Only the shadow knows.

    BY ABM90 Hope and Change. Hope forwhat? Change to what?
    Truly a twighlight zone
    ——————————————
    ABM90: in my town there are alot of bambi bumper stickers. I always try to pass them so I can look in at the driver’s seat and see if there is anyone home. Invariably they are young. Some look naive, some long deranged, and some look dumber than owl shit. I used to feel depressed when I saw these bots but now I look at them with a certain sense of detachment and say to myself there go more “good Germans”.

  • wbboei

    some “look” deranged (because they just are)

  • Emjay

    wbboei

    here is the link

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081130/ap_on_go_pr_wh/clinton_secretary_of_state

  • Emjay

    wbboei

    here is the second one

    http://www.ranger25.com/

    “As a company commander in combat…crawling around in the mud with an enemy machine gun hammering over my head…the crotch ripped out of my uniform..constipated…hungry…huge bug bites under my eyes…exhausted with days of intermittent sleep….I could always comfort myself by saying…”it could be worse….I could be back in Ranger School”. General Barry McCaffrey

  • confloyd

    wbboei, I am at home again, for a while, I had to go close the bar, but will be up for an hour or so if you want to call me!

  • confloyd

    Who ever that Beth is, she needs to get a life and/or a brain. Odrama wanted her for the job because he doesn’t know wtf he’s doing and he is scared shitless!!

  • ABM90

    Now that the roster of advisors to Obama is being assembled it is clear that Hillary has made the wise and correct choice to be SoS.It will be the best place to display her talents as a uniter
    for world peace.She will be able to display her skills and great mind that will be admired throughout this troubled world.A return to the Senate would be disaster.A snake pit filled with
    an assortment of freloaders and human political Phiranas.As SoS
    she will be 24/7 on the world stage of countries and weary people
    that will look to her as the modern Joan of Arc for the survival
    of civilization.She will assure and calm in her new role and the MSM will find their biased brain dead money hungry pundits will
    be exposed as our domestic journalistic SS corps.

    By ABM90 My prayers are being answered.

    “IT WILL TAKE THIS GREAT UNSELFISH WOMAN TO HEAL THE
    THE WOUNDS OF THE WORLD THAT MEN HAVE CREATED”

  • NewMexicoFan

    skmf12

    Somewhat understand your feelings. Hang in there, and still try to read big pink. For me it continues to be a place that I feel at home, and that I can rely on for information.

    ALL

    Yes, as we see the attempted take over at the grass roots level, in my state, I see O people replacing H people in the grass roots areas. However, there is a lot of oppositon here. Tonight I had someone running new for one of the groups call and tell me they were running. They were AA, and I flat out told them, you cut off at the knees anyone who mentioned race, and you screwed the women candidate using sexism. You then did the same to the Rep women. I went on for quite a while, telling them that the women had really sold their souls. It will be interesting to see how much of the grass roots organization is taken over by this movement. They have been here for years.

    I have left my registration as D, just have not gotten around to changing it. In the mean time I can let them know that I don’t drink the Kool Aid.

  • lisaque

    ABM90

    I really liked what you said. As SoS
    she will be 24/7 on the world stage of countries and weary people
    that will look to her as the modern Joan of Arc for the survival
    of civilization.

    I think from now on that is how I will see Hillary as the modern day Joan of Arc, I’M a big fan of Joan’s.

  • NewMexicoFan

    However, The Grass Roots O people, even the Dems that teamed with them are not happy about HRC being SOS. I guess they think Mr. Hope and Change really had a plan.

  • Sherm Kader

    Couldn’t get back here yesterday, but a belated thanks for all the responses to my minor distraction about twitter. I brought it up because I had read on Wikipedia that it was used in the campaign, and that it was used in at least one organized effort. I thought it showed promise.

    Maybe it will have to mature a lot more to become an effective tool for anyone here.

  • wbboei

    lisaque Says:

    November 30th, 2008 at 9:53 am
    ABM90

    I really liked what you said. As SoS
    she will be 24/7 on the world stage of countries and weary people
    that will look to her as the modern Joan of Arc for the survival
    of civilization.

    I think from now on that is how I will see Hillary as the modern day Joan of Arc, I’M a big fan of Joan’s.
    ——————————————-
    ABM 90: I concur wholeheartedly with the above comments by Lisaque. So right and so well said. Joan of Arc is the perfect symbol except in this movie Joan of Arc triumphs and the Duke of Burgundy, i.e. big media gets burned at stake for their dirty self serving lies. On that subject, I would like your opinion on something Emjay is will be forwarding if she can get the pie tins to work. There is a beautiful-and I mean beautiful gold statue of Joan of Arc in Paris not too far from the Louve. There is a big celebration for her every year in France. I would love to go if I could afford it. Now, I will be able to watch her on television winning the major battles of our time for all of us, assuming I too can get the pie tins to work. Unfortunately I am not as talented in that respect as Emjay but she has a certain advantatge because her father was an engineer.

  • wbboei

    Yes, as we see the attempted take over at the grass roots level, in my state, I see O people replacing H people in the grass roots areas. However, there is a lot of oppositon here. Tonight I had someone running new for one of the groups call and tell me they were running. They were AA, and I flat out told them, you cut off at the knees anyone who mentioned race, and you screwed the women candidate using sexism. You then did the same to the Rep women. I went on for quite a while, telling them that the women had really sold their souls. It will be interesting to see how much of the grass roots organization is taken over by this movement. They have been here for years.

    I have left my registration as D, just have not gotten around to changing it. In the mean time I can let them know that I don’t drink the Kool Aid.
    ————————————-
    Time will show that these people are right out of Nazi Germany. Race will be their imprimatur. The acquistion of power will do that to them–certainly not immediately but over the course of time. There is an analogy here. In the world of realpoiltick you assess a nation in terms of its capabilities as opposed to its stated intentions. In this case, all the hopium crap which voters bough into is just words. The capabilities are his control of state causcuse and the way he is shifting his internet resources. All he needs then is a Reichstag fire. Before you disminss this assesment too quickly wait a couple years and see. If I am wrong I will buy you a drink if I can afford it. On the govenment side it is reassuring that the country will have a world class secretary of state, secretary of treasury and secretrary of defense, and frankly a world community to rein in the worst instincts of this megalamaniac. But his corruption of the party is like the AIDS virus. The only counter to that is the rise of the independent voter and a free media.

  • AmericanGal

    Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving….shopping on Friday was a nightmare….I am going to make xmas purchases online from now on..

    I agree with those here that Hillary will be a fantastic secretary of state. She deserves such a position. It would be a shame for the most powerful female senator and presidential candidate in history to be relegated to a more constrained power base in the senate. I know there is some debate on just how much clout she would have had if she remained a senator but I tend to agree with those saying that in the current political climate she would have had an uphill battle for her ideas with so many of her colleagues drinking the Obama Kool-Aid. Although I don’t agree with her decision completely, I can understand her taking advantage of the opportunity to have a guaranteed influence on the decisions and goals of our country. I don’t think this is an ego decision. I really do think she wants to help our country do well in the world.

    Does Obama have an underlying motive for keeping her out of the senate? Perhaps…and it will be hard to see her touting the Obama line on foriegn policy, especially if it is something controversial. But I wish her well…

    One thing that’s amusing me lately is how Obama is just abandoning everything he stood for during the campaign. As been noted here, how long before the left wingers finally turn on him?

    One other observation…I think Obama is a ruthless politician. I think he’s gone heavy with Clinton folk because he wants to get the glory when this well regarded staff performs at the level they did in the 1990s–but the problem with that is that he is the one that has to provide the leadership and he is surely no Bill Clinton.

    Hope any of this makes sense….just wanted to give my two cents…

  • AmericanGal

    I saw a blurb by a Fox anchor a short time ago speculating that Bill Clinton might take over Hillary’s senate seat. Has anyone else heard this rumor?

  • NewMexicoFan

    AmericanGal

    I keep hearing that rumor also, but not sure where it started. That would change the political climate again. Don’t think that getting HRC out of the Senate as speculated would work. then I think the Governor makes that appointment? It would be a lot better than the other rumor C Kennedy.

  • AmericanGal

    “Don’t think that getting HRC out of the Senate as speculated would work.”

    I agree because if Obama really does have controversial policies he is going to bring to the senate a lot of senators will not support them, not just Hillary. They will want to be re-elected.

  • Emjay

    United 12

    Still admire you…sounds simplistic, but many here have caught the disease and exhibited the symtoms…some came back too soon and had to re-withdrawl…others like me sounded bombastic one day and whiney the next and withdrew 2 or 3 times.

    Know we think of you, miss your contribution to the mix, and you can dip your pearly toes in as deep as you want, anytime.

    Pink forever…just like solidarity…

  • JanH

    My brain’s a little foggy today. Someone explain to me why Bill Clinton would even want to take Hillary’s place in the senate?

    I hope this is just a rumor.

  • lil ole grape

    testing

  • lil ole grape

    wbboei Says: “And they would have to find a way around the provision since it was put into the constitution to prevent Hamilton from becoming President since he was born in the West Indies, and some of the framers were not fond of him.”
    ————
    In connection with this, I am reading in the Federalist – number 68 – by Alexander Hamilton, titled The Mode of Electing the President, in the section describing the reasons for the Electoral College, there’s this:

    “Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one quarter, but chiefly from the desire of foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention. They have not made the appointment of the President to depend on any preexisting bodies of men, who might be tampered with beforehand to prostitute their votes; but they have referred it in the first instance to an immediate act of the people of America, to be exerted in the choice of persons for the temporary and sole purpose of making the appointment. And they have excluded from eligibility to this trust, all those who from situation might be suspected of too great devotion to the President in office.
    No senator, representative, or other person holding a place of trust or profit under the United States can be if the numbers of the electors. “ etc etc

    I’m still reading, but wow I never before thought those dry old papers could be so immediately captivating reading!

  • Emjay

    Bill Clinton being named as NY Senator:

    Fox needed a fairytale to try and retain new viewers…again. Viewer retention moves based on fluff and out right lies will fail….again.

  • lil ole grape

    having a tough time getting on here

    wbboei Says: “And they would have to find a way around the provision since it was put into the constitution to prevent Hamilton from becoming President since he was born in the West Indies, and some of the framers were not fond of him.”
    ————
    In connection with this, I am reading in the Federalist – number 68 – by Alexander Hamilton, titled The Mode of Electing the President, in the section describing the reasons for the Electoral College, there’s this:

    “Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one quarter, but chiefly from the desire of foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention. They have not made the appointment of the President to depend on any preexisting bodies of men, who might be tampered with beforehand to prostitute their votes; but they have referred it in the first instance to an immediate act of the people of America, to be exerted in the choice of persons for the temporary and sole purpose of making the appointment. And they have excluded from eligibility to this trust, all those who from situation might be suspected of too great devotion to the President in office.
    No senator, representative, or other person holding a place of trust or profit under the United States can be if the numbers of the electors. “ etc etc

    I’m still reading, but wow I never before thought those dry old papers could be so immediately captivating reading!

  • lil ole grape

    I give up — tried to post re — wbboei re Hamilton — am reading Federalist — note number 68 re the mode of electing the pres — explains reason for electoral college and mentions the prevention of a coup by foreign interests

  • JanH

    Given how Bill Clinton has gone on to do such an amazing job with his foundation, I find it very hard to believe that he would open his reputation up to the vultures in the White House and media again.

  • carbynew

    AmericanGal Says:

    November 30th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
    I saw a blurb by a Fox anchor a short time ago speculating that Bill Clinton might take over Hillary’s senate seat. Has anyone else heard this rumor?
    ******************************************************
    Now this is a very interesting rumor to float right now….I wonder how the netroot would take this rumor if it appears to have legs.

    Hey, Gov. Patterson is not the push over as alot of obamabots think he is, he has a election coming up in 2010 and he want to run as a viable candidate. Hillary Clinton is very popular in New York and he will need those voters to vote for him within 2 years.

    Gov. Patterson will separate himself from Obama if he has to do, but now he will run as a centist because he gearing up into campaign mode.

  • pm317

    Why not? I say go for it, President Clinton. Give those bastards hell in the senate.

  • Emjay

    wbboei

    email to ABM90 forwarded and filed as sent by gmail.

  • Emjay

    wbboei

    pie plate antennas up and running agai, obviously. Had to adjust laptop placement about 22 degrees to git er done though…and that was an accidental fix.

  • Emjay

    JanH

    Just want you to know I wrote you a heartfelt note and it got blown off into cyberspace whenn I had my homemade antenna pie pan booster breakdown. I WILL redo it, pinky-finger promise.

  • Emjay

    wbboei

    Found the early Sat am article by Nancy Benac re Hillary. Note what I mentioned about the Andrea Mitchell-Peggy Noonan-Maureen Dud-Campbell Brown-Beth Fouhy-Nancy Benac-Rachel Maddow-Elenor Clift-Wolfie Blitzer-Chrissy Matthews-Keithie Olbermann and about a dozen more…all sound the same, no matter whether in writing or on the airwaves; all, no matter their political leanings, come off as needy shrews looking to the pack for “cred.”

    No wonder the teenage bots, age 16-30 years, felt empowered to
    write pornograpy, disguise it as political discourse and pass it on over the net and the airwaves.

    Here is the link:

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignplus/20081129/ap_ca/reinventing_clinton;_ylt=Ah1Ag7xb9JwGn26Va3zFO0gGw_IE

  • JanH

    awww…Emjay…not necessary. :)

  • Emjay

    l’il grape

    Please try Federalist repost….

    Posting here, and other sites too, seems to be going better…though Firefox is still acting worse than IE…don’t give up on us.

  • Emjay

    JanH

    Yes it is. You did your part, and even when I take offence, if in reexamination, I need to take some or all of it back, I need so to do.

  • AmericanGal

    Don’t know if this has been posted…

    If Obama is stressing now, how will he handle it when he is actually President? ……

    CHANGING OF THE GUARD

    Stress takes toll on Obama, develops chronic facial tic
    Michelle said to be distraught over spasms under right eye

    Posted: November 29, 2008
    11:40 pm Eastern

    © 2008 WorldNetDaily

    The strain of the long campaign and a frenetic transition period is beginning to wear on the face of President-elect Barack Obama, who has developed a facial tic under his right eye.
    The tic on the lower part of his right orbital bone is clearly visible in his recent interview with ABC’s Barbara Walters. Campaign insiders say it first emerged during the primary season and has now become chronic.
    A facial tic is a repetitive, spasmodic movement often involving the eyes and facial. The cause of tics is unknown, but appears to increase their severity.
    “The patients I’ve treated with tic disorders had one thing in common: They knew that the tics worsened when they were under,” said Dr. Robert T. London, a psychiatrist with the New York University Medical Center.

    Besides the economic crisis, Obama is having to worry about his own security. The Secret Service reportedly is dealing with more threats against him than any other president-elect in history.
    “There are a lot of things that keep me up at night,” Obama, 47, confided in the ABC interview.

    Michelle Obama, who closely monitors her husband’s public appearances, is said to be distraught over the facial tic.
    In all the stress of the transition, Obama told ABC he’s trying to eat, work out regularly and refrain from smoking, although he has found it difficult to quit cigarettes entirely.

    London says studies show that simple tics disappear during sleep, which suggests that a relaxation treatment, such as hypnotherapy, might work better than to calm the misfiring nerves during the day.
    Politics is a stressful job, and other politicians have succumbed to the nervous twitches. For example, Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., developed a severe facial tic that became so chronic he began doing TV interviews with the afflicted side of his face angled away from the camera. Shays, who’s served more than 20 years in Congress, was defeated in the November election.

  • Emjay

    wbboei and

    turndownobama:
    ———————————————–
    These are going to come one or two at a time, as I find them again:
    here are the first two.

    http://www.geocities.com/~oberoi/newspapr.html

    http://www.journalismnet.com/papers/

  • Emjay

    turndown and

    wbboei

    ————————
    Also, The Paperboy.com

    and, http://www.kidon.com/media-link/index.php

  • Emjay

    turndown and wbboei

    http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/

    and

    http://www.worldpress.org/gateway.htm (this one gives the political leanings of the publication)

    These six total are the best gateways; the JournalismNet site has many more listed in its overview, but there are only 24hours in a day.

  • Emjay

    Bob the jerk Woodward saying early this morning that Jim Jones and BObo sooo close, why did BO need Hillary?

    If I ever see him at a booksigning again, I will slap him silly. His last book must not have sold as well as the previos ones.

  • JanH

    Emjay,

    I can’t believe how many people in the news, writers, and actors that I have lost all respect for.

  • Emjay

    Nastily clever, as usual…the way to take the shine off Hillary’s nomination tomorrow ~ 10:20-40 am, is to also have 6-8, maybe more, other new nominees being announced on the stage at the same time.

    More out of Bob Woodward’s mouth abt Hillary Clinton vs Jim Jones: he is to be given the “important assignment” of Iraq and Afghanistan and work from “inside the WH”…she may have the spotlight and the worldstage, BW says, but HE, JJ (the male) has the most important
    foreign service job.

    Gag me with a spoon.

  • carbynew

    If he thinks that is has really suffered brain damage. Iraq and Afghaniston is important but not the most important job…give me a break with all the media “tin horns.”

  • carbynew

    Obama has a issue with some of his left obamabots supporters and he need to find a way to get them under control, if he can. This constant whining about Iraq and none of their people getting any base of power in the new cabinet is getting old.

  • JanH

    Bob Woodward needs to go write a sequel to his Watergate expose. You know the one that he has used to spin his has-been 30 seconds of fame with over and over again. He’s a legend in his own mind, just like Brazille and Morris. They love hearing themselves speak ad nauseum but have nothing worthwhile to say! ;)

  • wbboei

    Don’t misread this Jim Jones thing. He is a retired Marine General. He was Hillarys favorite military advisor. That is a good fit. They will work well together. I will bet you a million dollars he was her pick.

    Woodward has a maniacal hatred of the Clintons and it shows every time he opens his mouth. Take anything he says with a grain of salt. Also realize that the legendary editor of the Washington Post Ben Bradley told the father of a friend of mine who was president of the Newspaper Publishers Association that he did not like Woodward or Bernsteins style of journalism and was getting ready to fire them before the Watergate Story broke, and forced them to verify sources carefully. Guys like Woodward really should know when to say when–retire.

  • ABM90

    Wbboei and Emjay: Thank you both my friends.I am so fortunate to have you in my daily agenda and proud of your interest in my comments.At this time in life I feel blessed to be part of such an important crusade for truth and honesty in our politicians.The E
    is a work of art and a great read.
    The tic that Bo is experiencing may also be the start of a disasterous affliction that my dear wife had to endure for many years and after many surgeries it finally took her from me.
    Trigeminal Neuralgia is very disruptive illness.For his sake I hope he is spared and recovers.Life is not always fair to many people in many walks of life.

    By ABM90 Thank you all .Your comments are inspiring.Wish I
    I could post all your handles in gratitude.

  • wbboei

    One thing that’s amusing me lately is how Obama is just abandoning everything he stood for during the campaign. As been noted here, how long before the left wingers finally turn on him?
    ____________________________________
    AmericanGal: the left wing delusions are slowly discovering that in the world of Obama the word “change” means what he promises in the primary, will change in the general election and will change again when he attempts to govern. Change means never holding a position any longer than you have to, or keeping a promise when it profits you to abandon it for the sake of your own power. But I have no sympathy for the true believers. As PT Barnum said there is a sucker born every minute. And all the bumper stickers I see now prove it.

  • wbboei

    ABM 90: it that what they used to call tic de la rue? If so it is a rare but very painful affliction as you say. My belated sympathies my friend.

  • ABM90

    Wbboei: Right on the aka alternate name of this scourge that usually occurs on women although I had seen males also cursed with its symptoms.Stars out with slight tic more often under the right eye.What starts out as a low level of mild pain has lead many poor victims to suicide.Again I hope he is spared and politics kept out of this potentially disabling illness.I spent 13 years nursing and caring and I learned what pain and suffering
    mean to the afflicted. On a lighter note I never stayed at a
    Holliday Inn Express.It is just plain and simple on the site experience.

    BY ABM90

  • Emjay

    Even if you are only a casual sky watcher:

    Tomorrow night, sw sky, just above horizon…Venus, Jupiter and thin slice cresent of the moon all jockying for the same spot in the universe. Not really, of course, but that is what it will look like to most of us except maybe MooninPluto and Panda44.

    Jupiter will be showing off 4 of its Galilean satellites, as well.

    May the sky be clear for all of you.

    Last chance for the next 32 years folks.

  • Emjay

    wbboei

    I’m not down on Gen Jones…I was remarking on Woodward’s penchant for the game called “Why don’t you and this here guy fight,” a game familiar to therapists who can spot the third party perpretrator at 60 paces.

  • Emjay

    Last chance for next 24 years–my oppsie—next time wil be 2032.

  • JanH

    “Also realize that the legendary editor of the Washington Post Ben Bradley told the father of a friend of mine who was president of the Newspaper Publishers Association that he did not like Woodward or Bernsteins style of journalism and was getting ready to fire them before the Watergate Story broke, and forced them to verify sources carefully.”

    So I’m assuming that their journalistic efforts on this matter would have been slipshod if they hadn’t been “forced to verify sources carefully?”

    One can only imagine how history might have changed if not for this.

  • pm317

    I saw Wolf Blitzer in our B&N and the minute I saw him, my BP rose and I started breathing heavily. I wanted to go up to him and give him a piece of my mind but had to restrain myself.

  • Emjay

    pm317

    what is a B&N ?

  • Paula

    wbboei, Good point about James Jones.

    BTW, I’m still savoring how Hillary got SoS over Judas and Kerry, lol.

  • Paula

    Barnes & Noble, I’m guessing.

  • pm317

    yep, Barnes and Noble. Last time I saw him there much before the elections, I had shaken hands with him. I was savoring the moment I would run into him next time but today my blood pressure (my husband, :) ) got the better of me.

  • Emjay

    ABM90

    I wrote this to you just before Thanksgiving…just wanted to make sure you got the underlying message that we were thinking of you.

  • Emjay

    ABM90

    This is what the message was.

    Emjay Says:

    November 25th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
    ABM90

    Are all your four chicks, grandchicks and other lil’ peeps coming to you for the feast of Thanks, or are you going to one of them?

    Whichever…Have a wonderful reunion.

  • turndownobama-com

    Emjay,

    Thakns for the news links. I’m too tired to even look at them now. The news project is me and ‘Blue’, not Blue Democrat or Bluegirl or anything, a new poster who is plain Blue. He’s shut out by the server glitch but I’ll forward to him.

    Are we reinventing the wheel? Should I just give those sites more publicity? How stupid I”m being, asking you because I’m too tired to read them myself!

  • turndownobama-com

    To everyone, about the SOS thing….

    It might even work. With all these good old Clintonistas back in, and Hillary out there on center stage, something good might get done in the world.

    And we Pumas deserve credit for the good part. 16% of McCain’s voters were us. We vocal internet PUMAs kept warning Obama what would happen in Nov — we gave Hillary more bargaining chips which apparently she used to get those good cabinet people back in power.

  • wbboei

    So I’m assuming that their journalistic efforts on this matter would have been slipshod if they hadn’t been “forced to verify sources carefully?”
    —————————————-
    Jan-you can take that one to the bank.

    I think it took a heroic effort on Bradleys part to force them to check out their information, because Bradley understood to a farethewell what it meant to the newspaper and the nation to take on a sitting president if-they-were-wrong. Also, independent of what my friend told me, and if memory serves Bernstein was motivated in part by revenge against Nixon because at an earlier point in his career Nixon had gone after Bernsteins father for alleged communist sympathies. That being the case, Bradley would have also been keen to prevent that from coloring reporting, and wanted to make sure he was scrupulously fair in his reporting.

    For 90 years my friend’s family ran what was widely adjudged to be the best small town newspaper in the country and he ran it himself for the last ten years. One of the points he emphasized to me is that the economics of the business no longer permit effective investigative reporting. He told me in the days he was in the business quite often he would assign one or more reporters to dig into a story that had merit, but they hit a dead end, or could not verify sources, so they would end up scrapping the story rather than publish something they could not verify. They would eat the cost. However, when people like Jack Welch bought into the business news became a commodity and the productivity standards of a widget business became the benchmark, as we see today. I have had conversations with former Boston Globe reporters who confirm this fact with a sense of remorse.

  • lisaque

    One thing that’s amusing me lately is how Obama is just abandoning everything he stood for during the campaign. As been noted here, how long before the left wingers finally turn on him?

    They have already started turning on him very slowly. And every day it will grow to our advantage in the end game.

    I saw and ad of this herd of sheep in a field it was foggy and they looked like they were half asleep, there were all these Omaba signs around them in the next part all these sheep were running for there lifes to get away from these signs with there eyes wide opened. I laughed so hard I almost peed my pants. Obama cannot be trusted, Backstabbing is an Obama family value.
    In the end they will wake up and run for there lifes and turn on him like nothing we’ve ever seen.

  • lisaque

    Tomorrow night, sw sky, just above horizon…Venus, Jupiter and thin slice cresent of the moon all jockying for the same spot in the universe. Not really, of course, but that is what it will look like to most of us except maybe MooninPluto and Panda44.

    I live in North Texas and we can really see Venus and Jupiter tonight, will be out tomorrow to see the big event. When they say the stars at night are big and bright deep in the heart of Texas they knew what they were talking about. When I lived Calif. you never saw such sights at night, this has been the best part of our move out here.

    Yes I am a big time sky watcher.

  • confloyd

    I thought I read a new post by admin is a.m., what happened??

  • wbboei

    Sometime after he was sacked by Truman, and gave his old soldiers never die speech to Congress, General McArthur ventured home to the citadel on the Hudson River where he and Pinky (his mother) went to school six decades earlier. There he delivered a long remembered speech in which he said when I cross that river (slip the mortal coil) my final thoughts will be of the corp and the corp and the corp. Fine.

    Most people have more modest aspirations. Their final thoughts are of their families, and their priest, minister of rabbis tells them. I remember a great scientist–the one who discovere the o-ring problem in the Challenger disaster whose name escapes me-he who wanted a math problem to solve. Some people crave the company of Jack Kervorian, and others have preferred the likes of Sam Shepard or Klause Von Buelow. Fine.

    But who in their right mind would want to spend their final hours with Bob Woodward? I mean who besides Robert Casey, Director of the CIA? I saw him one time with Ann Armstrong stepping into a limosene at the Hay Adams in Washington. She was the ambassador to the court of st james as I recall, and I was more interested in watching her than in him. Even so, he looked perfectly rational to me. But looks can be deceiving.

    (Ann’s daughter owns that large ranch in Texas where Cheney mistook a Repubcan lawyer for a clay pigeon-an honest mistake, especially when there is no Democratic lawyer in sight. Nixon, Cheney–why is it that their first name is always Dick? Its beyond me.)

  • wbboei

    Bob Woodward needs to go write a sequel to his Watergate expose. You know the one that he has used to spin his has-been 30 seconds of fame with over and over again. He’s a legend in his own mind, just like Brazille and Morris. They love hearing themselves speak ad nauseum but have nothing worthwhile to say
    —————————————-
    Yes Jan. And Bambi makes four of a kind.

  • pm317

    the citadel on the Hudson River where he and Pinky (his mother) went to school six decades earlier.

    his mother went to citadel?

    Woodward and Bernstein, they may have lucked out once with the Watergate material but what have they done since? Every time they open their mouth these days, it is quite embarrassing. The incestuous relationship among the media whores of hyping these bastards up is something we need not acknowledge.

  • Emjay

    pm317

    re Mrs McArthur: she might as well have. I think he spent very few hours w/out her growing up and as a young man. She lived in a house near West Point while he attended the Academy there and keep a home for him after his appointment, following him camp to camp as he was assigned. Their relationship was very much like that of FDR and his mother.

    Excellent biography of “The Old Soldier”, no longer in print, but available, is “American Caeser” by William Manchester…even the footnotes are exciting, and it also bears witness to the history of American military war involvement through the Korean War.

  • wbboei

    pm: he went to West Point and so did she. She stayed in a hotel in town all four years he was there. She was what you might call a clinging mother. It did not become a problem until much later when he was assigned to the Phillipines and took a Filipini prostitute as a girlfriend. Then the game became an earlier version of a Peter Sellers movie entitled Mother Must Never Find out. He married a flapper and that did not last. Finally, he married Jean who treated him like a god and he was happy on that front. (P.S. West Point is in New York and was a fort. If I recall correctly, American forces under General Benedict Arnold fought and won an important battle there during the Revolutionary War. It is not to be confused with the Citadel, which is in South Carolina.)

    On the other point, you can sure see how Ben Bradley had his hands full with that pair of jokers.

  • Emjay

    To all lurkers at the moment:

    HRC’s nomination should be starting RIGHT NOW.

    I’m headed to c-span

  • Emjay

    wbboei

    Great Minds…..

  • pm317

    What a fun story (or scary, if you think Psycho). We have the MacArtur Blvd. here in Georgetown, very pretty neighborhood.

  • Emjay

    Joe needs to NOT stand next to his president with his arms crossed like he is doing now…belligerent and combative

  • wbboei

    Emjay: good summary. Much more accurate than mine. Manchester book American Caesar is excellent.

    The conclusion summarizing his life in reverse from his final days at Walter Reed hospital advising Kennedy to get out of Viet Nam, to his brilliant landing at Inchon in Korea, to the sound of Higgins boats landings in the South Pacific in wwII to the mud and misery of Arganonne in wwI to west point where as cadet commander his voice could be heard from the drill field across the Hudson, to the dusty forlorne barracks of the American Frontier as Pinky looks down at him in his cradle as the bugle sounds and above him then and throughout his life is the flag and the flag and the flag. That was Machester, but it is the kind of him prose MacArthur could have just as easily written about his favorite subject–himself. (Note: that is from memory so it may not be accurate). Emjay, I have it on good authority that his bathrobe did not have an N with a star on it, and I am even told that when he was superinendant of west point he did not sit on the navy side of the field.

  • JanH

    Can anyone tell me what is happening with the nomination right now? I’m at work and can’t watch it live.

    Thank you. :)

  • wbboei

    Great Minds…..
    —————————————
    Emjay- yours is great, mine is slippppping.

  • jbstonesfan

    gree 100%..Woodward and Berstein have not done anything even remotely compelling since Watergate….They are elitists who have abandoned any sense of journalistic integrity…they are also well known Clinton haters…

  • Emjay

    Did Joe just say he has had a “longer” relationship with members of the security team than “he (BO) has.” ???

    What an arrogant jerk !!

  • pm317

    wbboei, you said “the citadel on Hudson..” I should pay more attention.. (well, I have my cover — I didn’t grow up here) :)

  • pm317

    May be Joe is pissed he is not getting of the spoils.

  • Emjay

    wbboei

    “mine is slippppping”

    yeah right- and I am the Queen of England… :grin:

  • jbstonesfan

    Watching her stand next to him makes me ill….we all know how this election was rigged and why she was back stabbed by her party…I feel very uneasy with her being a target once again by MSM for all that will go wrong under BO.

  • Emjay

    JanH

    can you get to cspan on your computer? just bring up the video and listen on the radio…they are all just standing in a line. Hill at his left arm, Jim Jones to her left…Joe to BO’s right then Gates, then Janet I think. Pretty plain.

    btw BO just gave a good smackdown to a reporter questioning why BO chose Hill after trashing her in the primaries, doing it again to question how he chose her…says he made the offer and she accepted…that there is not a more juicy story there (he implied that was what the reporter was going for.)

    I want to see the transcript and find out who is asking those kind of questions.

    btw, BO and Hill just left the presser arms around each other’s backs, leading the rest out.

  • JanH

    Thanks very much Emjay!

  • Emjay

    wbboei

    I seldom make pronouncements…too much danger of looking like a fool in the aftermath.

    But I will tell you this, for your eyes only…

    NAVY WILL WIN ON SATURDAY.

    The Mule will not rule.

    The Goat will gloat.

  • JanH

    For my own peace of mind, I think I have now come full circle. I stalled for a while on one particular stage of grief: Anger. I even bought into the ‘bot’ulism attacks at different points during the campaign and that spurred my anger to an even higher level. I distanced myself from a media I had once admired and a party I used to hold in high esteem. I resorted to a cynicism and sarcastic mindset that was very wearing on the body.

    So now I ask myself why. Why did a small ripple of corruption become a humongous avalanche? Was America due for a: look in the mirror moment? Was this something that had been building forever and a day? And where do we go now?

    I wonder if Hillary will be the one to create new benchmarks for a world now in chaos. I wonder if she will be the lightening rod that allows the USA to stand tall again amongst its neighbours. I wonder if through her efforts, the world will once again hold the USA in high esteem. Will this be her legacy to America and the world? Will she bring a balance that has been sorely lacking in the field of foreign affairs? And I wonder if Obama will grow into his position by default or will his legacy be that of simply riding on the coattails of clintonesque ideals and a cabinet full of Clinton-add ons. Mostly I am thinking that Obama will try but will be sadly lacking.

    Long live Hillary Clinton!

  • wbboei

    She knows how to navigate in this world.

    Leahey is on c-span now. He is . . . . But even a broken clock like him is right twice a day. In tis case he called her selection as sos a brilliant choice, expressed complete confidence in her abilitiy to solve our nations problems and indictated it would sail through congress.

    The only one speaking is Bambi. He is a mouthpiece. The elites behind him are holding their breath. This is all dress rehersal. Everyone is on best behavior. The real problems have not hit their transom yet. They will. And it will not be enough to merely say we are better than Bush.

  • rgb44hrc

    Emjay Says:

    December 1st, 2008 at 11:11 am
    Did Joe just say he has had a “longer” relationship with members of the security team than “he (BO) has.” ???

    What an arrogant jerk !!
    &&&&&&&

    Maybe he just said, “Mine’s longer”.

  • rgb44hrc

    THE BOTS BURSTING IN AIR, GAVE PROOF THROUGH THE NIGHT…

    They must be really PO’s at BO now:

    Obama announces Clinton, Gates for Cabinet
    By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer Liz Sidoti, Associated Press Writer – 13 mins ago

  • pm317

    btw, BO and Hill just left the presser arms around each other’s backs, leading the rest out.

    ——————–
    This made me laugh. She will make the best of the worst situation dealt to her and come out the winner. Hope she has the last laugh. (I bet he did it first to patronize her but she did her part to show that she would not be. He tries to touch people inappropriately, maybe that is his way of disarming/intimidating them. In any case it is unprofessional and bad manners.)

    I also want to know that reporter’s name. It was a good question — shows the ruthlessness and the hypocrisy of 0bama’s campaign. {“You said she was having tea with the Ambassador’s wife and now you appoint her to the most coveted post in your cabinet.”}

  • JanH

    pm,

    LOL…another one of those: I will do anything to get elected moves on his part that is now going to come back and haunt him. I can’t wait for Hillary to run circles around him.

  • rickya

    Several observations about the press conference:

    1. It is much more obvious that Obama is a lightweight when people with actual qualifications are around him.
    2. Hillary was still the focus of this press conference. I love it!
    3. It was not about anything said or asked but I am sensing a slow tarnishing of Obama’s luster among the press people.(He looks a lot older too.)

  • wbboei

    NAVY WILL WIN ON SATURDAY.

    The Mule will not rule.

    The Goat will gloat
    ———————————
    Emjay: in my case, you are preaching to the choir.

  • pm317

    Jan,

    I used to be afraid he will do something bad to insult her or fire her, this and that. But I don’t think it is going to happen that way. This is now on a world stage and as long as she can deliver (which she will), he cannot do anything petty to make her look bad (without he himself looking worse and losing a whole lot of credibility and reputation). SoS on a world stage is our insurance. I think we are safe.

  • Emjay

    Add to BO physical presentation:

    Lights at a presser are brighter than a celestial glow at a rally…

    The TV camera presser lights make him squint…perhaps exacerbated by the reported tic affliction. As a result he is looking older, more drawn and…mean.

  • wbboei

    Several observations about the press conference:

    1. It is much more obvious that Obama is a lightweight when people with actual qualifications are around him.
    2. Hillary was still the focus of this press conference. I love it!
    3. It was not about anything said or asked but I am sensing a slow tarnishing of Obama’s luster among the press people.(He looks a lot older too.)
    —————————————
    Rickya: yes. A lightweight with an ungovernable ego who has never stayed in a job long enough to accomplish anything.

    How I would love to drag the dark movers behind the scence who chose him over Hillary out of the shadows and into the full light of day.

    Who are they? What is their agenda?

  • carbynew

    Emjay Says:

    December 1st, 2008 at 11:11 am
    Did Joe just say he has had a “longer” relationship with members of the security team than “he (BO) has.” ???

    What an arrogant jerk !!
    *****************************************************
    This is why Hillary Clinton is SOS, and not Bill Richardson, John Kerry or Joe Biden clone… he doesn’t trust them but he does trust Hillary Clinton.

    There is respect and admiration there like you would give another competitor on the “field of battle” conpared to those who you know are bench material (backstabbing sell outs) just waiting to see you fell and take your place.

    I’m very happy for Hillary but most of all I’m happy for this nation that we have such a brilliant American as in Hillary Clinton.

    Now, the fun stuff is coming up in the Senate and in replacing her seat…I don’t underestimate Patterson, he know that whoever he appoint to replace Hillary is going to be one of many tests toward his 2010 campaign for governor.

  • jbstonesfan

    Brazille, Pelosi, Dean, Kennedy to name a few….wanted a weak leader imo so they could do whatever……they lose on both as BO has come way to center and Hillary as SOS.

  • pm317

    wbboei, I agree with you that he does not suffer sycophants gladly, it looks like, or his penchant to throw all people under the bus gets the better of him.

  • JanH

    pm,

    It will be the media who will try to sabotage Hillary and end up blowing themselves up instead. As you say, Obama can no longer do this. He would be very stupid to think that destroying Hillary would do anything other than tarnish his already tarnished image.

    The media have bought into his campaign hate of Hillary and don’t want to stop. I think the marriage between Obama and said media is crumbling as we speak.

  • Emjay

    pm317

    Well said. I also believe it is not BO setting out to destroy those he is appointing- he needs them too badly.

    But look no further than a few of his puppetteers…starting with his campaign staff, ie., Axlegrease, the Black Caucus, much of the media class, DNC conspirators, and neo libs like Markos Musseltoe.

    It is those types who want MANY of Bo’s appointees out of power to be replaced with “real liberals.”

    They are the ones we need to watch, and call out every chance we get..every chance, every time, because it is they who will, if given the chance, destroy government by the majority.

  • Emjay

    JanH

    Again…great minds.

  • wbboei

    This made me laugh. She will make the best of the worst situation dealt to her and come out the winner.
    ———————————————
    That is who she is. A higher intellectual IQ and a higher emotional IQ than anyone I know. If I had gone through 1/10 of what she has I would be a basket case. The leadership padigm posited by Napoleon–what he looked for in a general was a strong mind not a brilliant one. In Hillarys case we have a strong mind AND a brilliant one. It is a good thing for the country that she turned down the job offer Califano made to her on behalf of Williams and Connolly and devoted her life to public service. We are better off for it and my sense is her moment is the sun will continue in this billet. Plus, the Washington DC press corps will no longer control the game in terms of perceptions. The international press will be more honest in general because they deplored bush and want this nation to rejoin what Grotius called the community of nations. Finally, with her trusted associate Jones assigned to Iraq and Afganistan she will not get bogged down in that venue which is political and strategic quicksand. It is what will likely sink bambi with the move on general betrayus bots. To them withdrawal means total withdrawal within 18 months and that wont happen. A brigade a month? Perhaps. But the selection of Gates and Jones tells you this much: they are not going to leave behind a petrie dish for terrorism, and that means total withdrawal is not in the cards and the more we reduce our forces the more vulnerable the remaining contingent becomes unless the Iraqi army is up to the task. Are they?

  • wbboei

    becomes a vulnerable target,

  • Emjay

    cspan is repeating the security team announcement, probably will several times today, but in any case is on now.

  • pm317

    wbboei, I want them to go after the rogue elements in Pakistan and its ISI. Having kept up with the recent events in Mumbai, it is imperative that we reign in Pakistan. And you know what, we will be doing a favor to its own citizens — they don’t want all these terrorists on their soil either. We have to stop treating Pakistan’s govt. with kid gloves.

  • JanH

    LOL…Emjay…but you always say it so much better than I can.

  • JanH

    wbboei,

    I believe that together, Hillary and Jones will make changes we can believe in!

  • Emjay

    pm317

    when you watch the presser later, note the almost awkward moment when BO introduces Hill, and an almost-hug, which they are used to, turns into an unpracticed handshake. HOhoho.

  • wbboei

    Well said. I also believe it is not BO setting out to destroy those he is appointing- he needs them too badly.

    But look no further than a few of his puppetteers…starting with his campaign staff, ie., Axlegrease, the Black Caucus, much of the media class, DNC conspirators, and neo libs like Markos Musseltoe.

    It is those types who want MANY of Bo’s appointees out of power to be replaced with “real liberals.”

    They are the ones we need to watch, and call out every chance we get..every chance, every time, because it is they who will, if given the chance, destroy government by the majority.
    ——————————————
    Precisely Emjay. In the congress they are powerful. On the world stage they are just another voice/ But in terms of the future and the party they need to be dealt with.

  • pm317

    Larry Johnson, whom I have come to trust also gave high marks to Jones. So I am hopeful that this security team will do something about the curse of the day that is terrorism. The new wave in India in the last week was similar to Columbine or VATech, makes me think if they were not inspired by those events. Unlike suicide bombs where the country has to deal with the aftermath, here the response has to be super quick and confrontational. Local police force anywhere would be woefully unprepared especially given the scale and sophistication of such attacks. This is the new wave and it can happen anywhere and asymmetry between the terrorists and the security forces is even more pronounced because terrorists have a plan based on the specific location whereas security forces don’t have a counter-plan for each potential location if it is defined as generally as upscale hotels and trendy neighborhoods. Throw in poverty, corruption, and lack of infrastructure, it is a nightmare. The reasonable solution is to go after whoever is financing these people. Stop the money flow.

  • turndownobama-com

    Emjay Says:
    December 1st, 2008 at 12:36 pm
    pm317

    Well said. I also believe it is not BO setting out to destroy those he is appointing- he needs them too badly.

    But look no further than a few of his puppetteers…starting with his campaign staff, ie., Axlegrease, the Black Caucus, much of the media class, DNC conspirators, and neo libs like Markos Musseltoe.

    It is those types who want MANY of Bo’s appointees out of power to be replaced with “real liberals.”

    They are the ones we need to watch, and call out every chance we get..every chance, every time, because it is they who will, if given the chance, destroy government by the majority.
    ===============

    You’re probably right. But it’s going to feel funny SUPPORTING a cabinet member in power for a change. I’m going to say ‘restored Clinton 90s cabinet person’ at every mention, nya nya.

  • JanH

    I will say one thing, with Hillary as SOS, I do feel better about the Israel situation.

  • turndownobama-com

    About the access problem, this morning is the first time I’ve had a problem. Every so often a box turns up saying “Shockwave not blah blah” and then I click the box and normality returns.

    I’m on Chrome on XP but usually don’t have those ‘plug-in’s on my computer.

  • pm317

    Jan, I feel better about India-Pakistan situation with Hillary as SoS.

  • turndownobama-com

    JanH Says:
    December 1st, 2008 at 12:36 pm
    pm,

    It will be the media who will try to sabotage Hillary and end up blowing themselves up instead. As you say, Obama can no longer do this. He would be very stupid to think that destroying Hillary would do anything other than tarnish his already tarnished image.

    The media have bought into his campaign hate of Hillary and don’t want to stop. I think the marriage between Obama and said media is crumbling as we speak.
    ================

    I just got a wierd fantasy flash here. We watched the nightmare of the campaign, like a controlled demolition, Obama going after one pillar after another.

    Now maybe the same thing will happen in reverse. Somehow the Clintons got the power to make Obama appoint their old cabinet to his new cabinet. Maybe they will be eating away at his power from within….

    Hillary’s hand were tied in the primary; now Obama’s hands are tied, as he has to support his own nominees. Somehow that feels like a good step…

  • carbynew

    Hurts To Be John Kerry Today

    It must have been painful, but at least it was classy. Sen. John Kerry’s (D-Mass.) reaction statement to President-elect Obama’s choice for secretary of state was the first to arrive in the Sleuth’s inbox (besides, of course, Bill Clinton’s).

    “President-Elect Obama has chosen a terrific national security team to protect our security and help restore America’s rightful place in the world,” Kerry said.

    The Massachusetts senator had once been considered the frontrunner to be Obama’s secretary of state. Then suddenly he wasn’t, when Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-N.Y.) name surprisingly surfaced for the job. In his statement, Kerry said, “As Secretary of State, my friend and colleague Hillary Clinton will bring her years of experience and her remarkable intellect to the effort to restore our alliances and advance the President’s agenda in the world.”

    Instead of traveling the globe and crafting U.S. foreign policy, Kerry will get the consolation prize of serving as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which has jurisdiction over confirming Clinton and the rest of the national security team.

    “As the incoming Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, I look forward to working with my distinguished colleague Sen. Richard Lugar to ensure a swift and fair confirmation process and working closely with the new Administration,” Kerry added.

    voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/12/john_kerry_wins_class_act_awar.html?hpid=topnews

  • carbynew

    The O team

    Dec 1st 2008 | NEW YORK
    From Economist.com

    Barack Obama introduces his national-security team

    Reuters

    THE phrase “team of rivals” has been on every pundit’s lips since it became clear that Barack Obama would make Hillary Clinton his secretary of state. Coming from the title of a book about Abraham Lincoln’s cabinet, it seems to highlight that Mr Obama wants to hear dissenting opinions, including from his biggest personal rival, Mrs Clinton. But a look at his national-security line-up, which was officially announced on Monday December 1st, suggests a team that will probably gel reasonably well.

    Mrs Clinton and Mr Obama sparred sharply during the primaries. Mrs Clinton voted for the Iraq war and touted her experience. Mr Obama called his stance against the war a virtue, along with his newness in Washington, DC, and his willingness to talk to America’s enemies such as Iran. Mrs Clinton responded that he was naïve. But the two were posturing for the Democratic primary voters. In truth, their positions are not so far apart, even on the Iraq war, where both want withdrawal relatively soon.

    Mr Obama’s other appointments suggest he is holding to the centre ground, at least on foreign policy. Jim Jones will be his national-security adviser. The sharp-jawed former NATO commander and commandant of the Marine Corps looks the part of the hard man. But he was a harsh critic of Donald Rumsfeld’s Iraq strategy and a believer in using all the tools of American power-not just military ones. Since putting his uniform away, he has advised on the training of both Iraqi and Palestinian security forces, which will give him an insight into working with local allies.

    Many thought that Susan Rice, a senior foreign-policy adviser during Mr Obama’s campaign, would get the national-security adviser’s job. Instead she will be ambassador to the United Nations, a lower-profile job than many had expected, given her closeness to Mr Obama. But the post will be returned to cabinet level, the status it had under Bill Clinton, thus Ms Rice will sit at the top table in Washington, DC, while being Mr Obama’s envoy in New York. This suggests that there will be a bigger role for multilateralism in Mr Obama’s administration.

    Mr Obama has dismayed many on the left of his party, but delighted centrists and the foreign-policy establishment, by deciding to keep Robert Gates as secretary of defence. Mr Gates replaced Mr Rumsfeld in 2006, and has overseen a big drop in violence in Iraq since the implementation of the “surge”. He may be a transitional figure until Mr Jones or someone else can step into the job, but the decision to keep him suggests that Mr Obama will not be scrambling to pull out of Iraq with undue haste.

    Janet Napolitano will be his secretary of homeland security. As Arizona’s governor, she has experience both running a bureaucracy and keeping an eye on America’s border. She will need some nous to run the sprawling and widely criticised new department. But she is known as no Democratic softie, including on illegal immigration.

    Mr Obama has made the point that he is no lefty peacenik. With a rival who supported the war, a lifelong warrior and a Republican secretary of defence in his top three foreign-policy jobs, the new young president wants the world (and critics at home) to see that he is no pushover. Will that mean that nothing much will change, disappointing many of his fans? Or will his tough advisers serve as useful cover for a new policy of talking to foes and substituting soft power for military force? For the president who campaigned saying “I’m not against all wars, I’m against dumb wars,” combining hard and soft may be no paradox.

    http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/PrinterFriendly.cfm?story_id=12714206

  • carbynew

    Watch Hillary Clinton Acceptance speech: video

    link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1184614595/bctid3617362001

    Clinton get Secretary of State:
    “Clinton said leaving the senate was “very difficult”, but that she felt this was the best way in which she could serve her country.”

    http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/international_politics/clinton+get+secretary+of+state/2859957

  • pm317

    so what did the nutroots get for electing 0bama?

  • JanH

    Thank you carbynew!

    What a gracious and highly intelligent speech from Hillary…exactly what I expected. Obama did look nervous when he spoke. Almost as if he can’t believe he is “president-elect”…lol…

  • JanH

    LOL…pm…nothing that I can see. ;)

  • carbynew

    Obama and the price of loyalty
    December 1, 2008

    “Washington is a tough town”, remarked a friend of mine, as we surveyed the make-up of Obama’s new national-security team. What he meant was that the Obama loyalists, who had slaved away on the campaign, have got none of the top jobs.

    I realise that the fate of the Obama campaign team may not be the primary concern of foreigners, trying to figure out the future of American foreign policy. But I think the way Obama has handled his inner circle still says something interesting about the man.

    Advisers who sign up for a presidential campaign are basically buying a lottery ticket. The idea is that if their candidate wins, they get to share in some of the spoils. But look at who Obama has appointed to the three biggest foreign policy jobs: Hillary Clinton, his arch-rival, gets the State Department; James Jones, a marine general who was close to John McCain, gets National Security; Robert Gates is held over from the Bush administration at Defence. And Obama’s intimates: Samantha Power, Tony Lake, Richard Danzig – so far, nothing. Only Susan Rice has made the cut as ambassador to the UN. And although she made a brave face of it, at the press conference that has just finished, Rice will probably be disappointed not to be in the White House – and right next to Obama, as she was throughout the campaign.

    I can see the logic behind all of these choices. There is a clear political calculation in buying off the Clintons – and Hillary is very able and well-known abroad. Gates is generally thought to have returned common sense to the Pentagon, after the madness of the Rumsfeld years. And since Democrats are often faintly suspect to the military, it probably helps to have a seven-foot (well, over six foot, anyway) marine general in the White House.

    As for the people who did foreign policy for Obama during the campaign, I guess most of them will be looked after – at a lower level. The ambassadorship to the UN has often been a stepping stone to greater things, and could be again for Rice. Richard Danzig may be slotted high up into the Pentagon hierarchy, and could replace Gates – if and when he gets his oft-stated wish of returning to Texas. Poor old Samantha Power was forced off the campaign, after off-the-record remarks about Hillary being a monster were printed. So I guess that rules out a job for her at the State Department. Tony Lake is relatively old – and has apparently said he doesn’t want a job. Jim Steinberg, who has missed out on the top job at the NSC, may be slotted high up into the State Department – since he worked at the Clinton White House.

    And what does all this say about Obama? Well, I suppose that he is tough and unsentimental. He knows that these are crucial jobs that cannot be handed out as gifts for loyalty and hard work.

    blogs.ft.com/rachmanblog/2008/12/obama-and-the-price-of-loyalty/
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    I do love reading the British press today, after all the grief they gave Hillary Clinton, the sense of “reality” seem to be hitting them in their faces.

    Except for the delusional, hateful Christopher Hitchens…hasn’t anyone detected his usefulness is over and he should be given a job as sr. tabloid reporter for Star magazine?

  • wbboei

    so what did the nutroots get for electing 0bama?
    ——————————————–
    a sober realization that they were led down a primrose path, that all that glitters is not gold, that there is a sucker born every minute, to be careful what you wish for because you may have the misfotune of getting it, and then I say the morning sky–hiho the tale was all a lie, the world it was the old world yet. . .

    for faith tis pleasant
    til tis passed
    the mischied was
    that did not last

    But the true test will come when the obama bumper stickers come down, and all those creepy little my barack obama entries in their diaries end in dispair. The price of wisdom. Or perhaps a rights of passage.

  • carbynew

    France, EU vow to ‘work closely’ with Clinton
    01 December 2008, 20:17 CET

    (PARIS) – France and the European Union pledged Monday to work closely with Hillary Clinton on tackling key world challenges following her nomination as the next US secretary of state.

    French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, whose country holds the EU presidency, offered Clinton his “warmest, most friendly congratulations,” paying tribute to her “competence, her convictions and her human qualities.”

    “Our cooperation is set to intensify in the coming months,” said Kouchner.

    “France and the European Union are ready to work closely with Hillary Clinton as part of a renewed trans-Atlantic partnership… to meet the economic, climate or security challenges that we all face together.”

    Kouchner also called for Paris and Washington to “continue to work together in defence of human freedom and dignity, to defend peace and security and combat intolerance.”

    “I will be happy to be able to work with Hillary Clinton, as soon as she takes office, on reinforcing Franco-American friendship,” Kouchner said.

    EU member states, under France’s presidency, have drawn up a document aimed at breathing new life into relations with Washington, to be handed to president-elect Barack Obama’s administration when it takes over on January 20.

    http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/1228159022.71
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    Doncha get the feeling that our allies really, really wants to work with Hillary Clinton and didn’t have confidence on those advisors surrounding Obama during the campaign?

  • rgb44hrc

    carbynew Says:

    December 1st, 2008 at 1:50 pm
    The O team.
    Mr Obama has made the point that he is no lefty peacenik.
    &&&&&&&&&&&

    Kos and HuffPo Bots, enjoy being thrown under the bus?

    “I blogged my butt off, donated, and did getoutthevote work, and this is what we get? We get Hillary’s administration?? With Hillary??? Eeeee-aaaaaagggh.’

    Sucks to be you.

  • ABM90

    Emjay:Ihad all my family here for a reunion on my sept birthday and several will return for Xmas.They live in the 4 corners of the USA and flying arrangements are difficult to coordinate for a meeting of the family.
    Msm is already starting their Hillary onslaught.Fox as evil as ever.I watched Bo deliver his news congerence and tried to detect a weakness on the right side of his face but the camera shots were unrevealing of any sagging of the right eye lid.Perhaps this why he kept his rt hand and fingers on his face for extended periods of time and the remarks by some gave the impression that he was fingering Hillary during the debates.The stress of losing and stuttering could well have been the trigger for sudden spike of pain.Good Lord I do not wish ththat malady on anyone.Only time will tell.

  • carbynew

    Dec 1 2008 2:20 PM EST

    What Does The Secretary Of State Do?If Hillary Clinton is confirmed, what will her duties include?
    By Gil Kaufman

    Senator Hillary Clinton has accomplished a lot of firsts in her political career: becoming the only former first lady to go from the White House to the Senate, as well as earning the honor of being the first woman elected statewide in New York in 2000.

    But with her nomination to President-elect Barack Obama’s cabinet on Monday as secretary of state, Clinton is again breaking new ground. As the first former first lady to be nominated for the post, Clinton has been given the opportunity to turn a defeat in the presidential race into another impressive addition to her already bulging political resume — and one that could eventually lead her back to the White House.

    But just what is it, exactly, that the secretary of state does? The secretary is in charge of foreign policy and representing the United States to foreign governments — they also serve as the head of the U.S. Department of State. It is the most senior position in a president’s cabinet, and it is often filled by someone with deep foreign-policy or military experience. The secretary negotiates with foreign leaders and governments on behalf of the president, advises the president on foreign policy and supervises the State Department’s activities overseas, including its consulates and embassies.

    If confirmed, Clinton would become just the third woman to hold the position, after President Bill Clinton’s secretary, Madeleine Albright, and President George W. Bush’s second secretary, Condoleezza Rice.

    The secretary must be confirmed by the Senate and serve at the president’s discretion, meaning they can be fired at any time without notice. The office has a rich history, with a number of former presidents holding the office before ascending to the White House, including Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and John Quincy Adams. A number of former secretaries have also achieved lasting worldwide status following their appointments, including Nobel Peace Prize winner Dr. Henry Kissinger, who served Presidents Nixon and Ford, and who is credited with opening relations between China and the U.S. Other notable former secretaries of state include Warren Christopher, who was secretary during President Clinton’s first term and who helped negotiate a cease-fire in the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia.

    The position is fourth in line to succeed the president after the vice president, speaker of the house and president pro tempore of the Senate.

    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1600395/20081201/story.jhtml
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    This is why so many Hillary haters and backstabbers in the media and in politics are so upset because they thought they had killed her off and she now walks away with the most powerful position in the world outside of POTUS.

    I mean is you read all the “drahma” from Obama’s most crazed bot you can’t believe all the whining and crying going on, over this one confirmation.

    They’re still in shock!

    But most telling is they’re starting to focus their rage on their idol, although it’s in the begining stage of denial.

  • JanH

    “But most telling is they’re starting to focus their rage on their idol, although it’s in the begining stage of denial.”

    Trust me, it will happen. But not before they villify Hillary for somehow “blackmailing” their messiah into giving her SOS. No way, would he have done it otherwise…lol…

    Delusion and fingerpointing is still the name of the game. ;)

  • dedfg

    Except for the delusional, hateful Christopher Hitchens…hasn’t anyone detected his usefulness is over and he should be given a job as sr. tabloid reporter for Star magazine?

    This is why I love this website. lol.

  • carbynew

    Rice says she will give private counsel to successor Clinton, then get out of the wayBy ANNE GEARAN | AP Military Writer
    2:52 PM EST, December 1, 2008

    LONDON (AP) _ Happily contemplating another woman as the top U.S. diplomat, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Monday she will offer advice, privately, and then get out of the way.

    “She won’t — and you won’t — hear from me again,” Rice said on the day President-elect Barack Obama named Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton to be the next secretary of state. “I will certainly not make the effort to comment on everything that is done.”

    Rice, in London on a farewell tour, said there’s a lot to recommend the U.S. system of four-year presidential terms, and thus relatively short tours of duty for Cabinet ministers.

    “You’ll be a very hard act to follow,” British Foreign Secretary David Miliband told her.

    Rice also noted that Clinton would be the third woman among the last four people to be U.S. secretary of state. That fourth occupant of the job, Colin Powell, “was a black man, so white men are trailing pretty badly,” Rice said. The third woman, Madeleine Albright, served during the administration of Clinton’s husband, former President Bill Clinton.

    The job is one of the most visible in the world, a distinction Rice has clearly enjoyed but also found confining.

    “I am very fond of her, I think she has worked very hard on behalf of the country, I think she really comported herself well in the (Democratic presidential) campaign,” Rice said of Clinton, who lost a tense nominating contest to Obama earlier this year.

    Rice spoke to Clinton before she left Washington on Sunday, her spokesman said. Rice briefed Clinton on the aftermath of a terrorist rampage in India that has forced Rice to rearrange what had been planned as a low-stress European valedictory for a diplomat much better liked in European capitals than her boss.

    Rice is scrapping much of the trip, including an evening in Rome, and flying to India to express direct U.S. condolences for the deaths of more than 170 people.

    Obama did not announce his national security Cabinet until Monday, but Clinton had been the presumptive choice for weeks.

    “She possesses an extraordinary intelligence and toughness, and a remarkable work ethic,” Obama said in making it official. “She is an American of tremendous stature who will have my complete confidence, who knows many of the world’s leaders, who will command respect in every capital and who will clearly have the ability to advance our interests around the world.”

    Clinton’s nomination as secretary of state is another milestone for a former first lady who was the first to win elective office, the first to run for president herself and now the first to be chosen for a Cabinet position.

    “I know that she will bring enormous energy and intellect and skill to the position,” Rice told reporters in London. “Most important, I know her to be somebody who has what you need most in this job, which is a deep love for the United States of America and for its values, respect for differences that we may have with friends and allies, but always recognizing that the core of who we are as Americans unites us with very many around the world, particularly Great Britain,” Rice said.

    Rice’s two-day London visit is almost certainly her last as secretary, and closes a circle begun with her first trip abroad shortly after taking the job in 2005. She made London her first stop on a European get-acquainted tour that was intended to turn the page on bad blood between the Bush administration and European allies angry about the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

    Things did get better, and Rice cooperated with European powers on several diplomatic projects. The Bush administration counts the evolution of Kosovo into an independent nation as one success story, and cooperation with European powers on Iran another. Rice dropped the Bush administration’s previous bans on negotiations with Iran in hopes of coaxing the regime to back down on its nuclear program. That hasn’t worked, but Rice got points with formerly quarrelsome allies for trying.

    Rice has more goodbyes Tuesday in Brussels, where she sees NATO allies. The United States has a long-standing beef with some NATO nations over reluctance to send large numbers of fighting forces to Afghanistan, but the dispute has been cordial. The same is true for an emerging difference over engagement with Russia following last summer’s war with Georgia.

    The United States wants to take any cooperation with Russia very slowly, and to avoid overtly military partnerships.

    http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-rice-clinton,0,2416026.story
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    I do think Sec. Rice has shown more class then many on the left and in the media. It has really open my eyes to the hypocrisy of my former party.

  • jbstonesfan

    Agreed…class act.

  • JanH

    ditto…Sec. Rice is going out with style.

  • carbynew

    Biden calls team ‘most talented’ ever
    Published: Dec. 1, 2008 at 3:20

    CHICAGO, Dec. 1 (UPI) — National security team nominees are prepared to meet today’s challenges and tomorrow’s emerging threats, U.S. Vice President-elect Joe Biden said Monday.

    “I hope and believe that the American people will come to feel as I do that we brought together one of the most talented national security teams ever assembled,” Biden said at a news conference in Chicago, during which President-elect Barack Obama introduced his national security team. “A team prepared to meet the serious challenges we face today and the emerging threats that will confront us tomorrow.”

    Obama designated Sen. Hillary Clinton as his secretary of state and said he asked Robert Gates to continue as defense secretary. Obama also named Eric Holder as attorney general, Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano as homeland security secretary, Susan Rice as ambassador to the United Nations and retired U.S. Marine Gen. Jim Jones as his national security adviser.

    Each nominee “has a clear understanding of the forces that are shaping this new century and the lives of our fellow Americans,” Biden said. “Each member shares our conviction that strength and wisdom must go hand in hand. Each member believes, as we do, that America’s security is not a partisan issue.”

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/12/01/Biden_calls_team_most_talented_ever/UPI-76201228162836/
    ******************************************************
    Hmmmm……when does Obama birth certificate case get review at the Supreme Court?

  • wbboei

    This is why so many Hillary haters and backstabbers in the media and in politics are so upset because they thought they had killed her off and she now walks away with the most powerful position in the world outside of POTUS.
    —————————————
    Exactly right.

    Blackmail? Any excuse to avoid admiting they are wrong. Any albi to avoid the realization that they were to their messiah what Lenin once described as “useful idiots”.

    They would do well to remember how he gave the delegate positions in California to millionaire contributors and their girl friends, rather than to the grass roots bots who supported him in the trenches and were awarded those positions initially by the party procedures? Did Hillary blackmail him to do that too?

  • wbboei

    Hmmmm……when does Obama birth certificate case get review at the Supreme Court?
    —————————————-
    I just got off the phone with a friend who claims that in the view of a constitutional scholar if Bambi is declared ineligible prior to January 20 that the line of succession would go not to Biden but to McCain because he got the second most votes for President.

    I think that is probably correct. If you go back to the federalist papers you find that madison and hamilton were not concerned about the right of political parties and referred to them disparagingly as “factions”. They would have been concerned about the honoring the choice of the American People in that instance.

    We were just in the process of speculating how the media would be viewed by the public in that event, and whether the electorate should have been made aware of this before they voted. The electorate might well conclude they were deceived by the media and to save their own skin the media would turn on obama even though they were party to the coverup.

    If that is what happens.

  • rgb44hrc

    carbynew Says:

    December 1st, 2008 at 3:30 pm
    Biden calls team ‘most talented’ ever

    &&&&&&&&&&

    Hmmmm, there are those who’d dispute that. The Celtics of the 1960′s certainly were deeper:

    Bill Russell: Sec. of Interior
    John Havlicek: Sec. of Sixth Man
    Sam Jones: Chief of Staff
    K.C. Jones: Sec. of State
    John Thompson: Sec. of Defense
    Don Nelson: Sec. of Agriculture

    During their tenure, they helped LBJ implement the Great Society. And brought us some groovy tunes, man.

  • rgb44hrc

    wbboei Says:

    December 1st, 2008 at 3:45 pm
    Hmmmm……when does Obama birth certificate case get review at the Supreme Court?
    —————————————-
    I just got off the phone with a friend who claims that in the view of a constitutional scholar if Bambi is declared ineligible prior to January 20 that the line of succession would go not to Biden but to McCain because he got the second most votes for President.

    I think that is probably correct. If you go back to the federalist papers you find that madison and hamilton were not concerned about the right of political parties and referred to them disparagingly as “factions”. They would have been concerned about the honoring the choice of the American People in that instance.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Mmmmm. Delicious.

    As part of the deal, McCain might have to take Biden as veep, but Sarah would become Sec. of Drilling, I mean, Sec. of the Interior. Hillary could still be SoS, and start prepping for the 2012 debates.

    Obama, having resigned a tad too quickly, would still be able to support his family’s lifestyle on his salary as a community organizer.

  • carbynew

    After 26 days, Biden speaks
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    By: Politico

    CHICAGO – Amid questions about his influence in the Obama transition and the potential for him to be overshadowed by Hillary Clinton as secretary of state, Vice President-elect Joe Biden spoke publicly on Monday for the first time since the election 26 days ago.

    He stepped to the podium at the Chicago Hilton to congratulate Obama for bringing together “one of the most talented national security teams ever assembled.”

    Biden, the animated former chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was full of facial expressions, crossed arms, deep, pensive frowns and broad smiles during the nearly 45-minute long news conference.

    Biden’s clout in the transition team – and more broadly within the constellation of Obama advisors — has been the subject of debate recently as the president-elect appears, publicly at least, to be consulting more with his longtime Chicago advisors than his running mate. Questions about Biden’s role in the administration, which has yet to be defined, were heightened as well when it became clear that Clinton, another strong personality, would be handling foreign policy.

    Foreign affairs is Biden’s chief area of expertise and the main reason Obama selected him as his running mate.

    In his remarks Monday, Biden praised Clinton and the others introduced as part of the national security team in-waiting.

    Standing behind Obama and to the right of Clinton, Biden smiled broadly as Peter Baker of The New York Times asked the president-elect about his belittling of Clinton’s foreign qualifications during their primary battles, particularly his description of her international experiences as mostly attending teas.

    In the speaking line-up, Biden batted clean-up. He stood, arms-crossed, as Clinton spoke. He laughed, grabbed Robert Gates’ arm and patted him on the back when a reporter asked if Gates qualified as Obama’s cabinet Republican, or if Americans should expect more GOP appointments. He nodded. He shifted on his feet. His eyes wandered around the room as if he couldn’t wait to speak.

    When his turn came, Biden’s voice boomed in his signature loud-to-soft way during remarks that lasted three-and-a-half minutes, after the six other nominees had their says.

    “The president elect has assembled a national security team that is poised, in my view, to recapture the totality of American strength,” Biden said. “Each member of his team shares the goals and principles that the president-elect and I have attempted to advance. Each member shares our conviction that strength and wisdom must go hand-in-hand. Each member believes as we do that American security is not a partisan issue — witness the team.”

    “These are extraordinary times,” Biden continued. We face extra challenges. But I am, as the president-elect is, optimistic — absolutely optimistic that this team with the president-elect at its helm will see to it that America leads not only by the example of our power, but by the power of our example.”

    He even paved the way for the next segment of the program.

    “And now President-elect Obama is prepared to take your questions,” Biden said.

    http://www.nfmpolitico.com/2008/12/01/after-26-days-biden-speaks/
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    “Don’t walk in front of me, I may not follow. Don’t walk behind me, I may not lead. Walk beside me and be my friend.
    - Albert Camus

    I see Hillary is walking beside Obama…..Wasup, Joe? Walking behind Obama and Hillary.

  • HillaryforTexas

    On Condi and her gracious and classy words regarding Hillary:

    I fault her for not standing up to her boss more than she did, (and we may never know what efforts she did or did not make behind the scenes to reign in the maniacs) but her history is not one of being a wackjob far rightist, prior to being appointed SOS. Her history was of moderation and good sense. She has been horrible as SOS, but she is not stupid – she’s quite a brilliant woman. I have no idea her reasons for continuing as SOS for the Shrub, though it may well have been a sense of “doing more good from the inside”. Or maybe she was a coward, who knows? *shrug*

    Condi and Hillary have actually been friends for years. Hill and Chelsea stayed in her home when Hill took Chelsea out to check out Stanford, as Condi was still teaching there at the time. They have great respect and affection for one another. Her words regarding Hill do not surprise me.

    There is a rumor that it was this friendship that prompted Hillary to cast her AUMF vote as she did. They say Hill was worried, and went to Condi. Condi assured her privately, off the record, as a FRIEND, and gave her word that it was brandishing the stick only, that the inspectors would go back in first. I don’t know if that’s true. I also don’t know if Condi made that promise to Hill in good faith, and was herself lied to and kept out of the real plans by the Cheney faction. It’s entirely possible with those bastards.

  • JanH

    HillaryforTexas,

    I think Hillary has many friends on both sides of the aisle…the sign of a true champion! She will do very well as SOS.

  • HillaryforTexas

    I can’t wait til Hill visits Ireland as Madame Secretary. She is ADORED there. Expect huge crowds.

  • carbynew

    H4T,

    Let me say this on Condi Rice….Colin Powell himself said “he and Condi was the only sane one in the cabinet.” “While he does admit that Condi was better at the politics and knew when to pull back, while he did not on his oppositition. In turn his pressure pushed GWB closer to the Cheney/Rumsfeld with Bolton his agent in his department.

    I actually think Condi got a bad rap, she had to fight very hard for the power she now holds…it wasn’t that way in the begining all she was was GWB close advisor, she had to build up her power base from nothing.

  • JanH

    So John Edwards is a thing of the past? Never to be heard from again?

  • rgb44hrc

    JanH Says:

    December 1st, 2008 at 4:28 pm
    So John Edwards is a thing of the past? Never to be heard from again?
    $$$$$

    John who?

  • JanH

    lol…rgb44hrc…exactly! ;)

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  • pm317

    “She possesses an extraordinary intelligence and toughness, and a remarkable work ethic,” Obama said in making it official. “She is an American of tremendous stature who will have my complete confidence, who knows many of the world’s leaders, who will command respect in every capital and who will clearly have the ability to advance our interests around the world.”

    It is a shame not many can say this of 0bama and he is the President-elect (where she ought to have been).