In Praise Of Hillary Clinton

Among Hillary Clinton supporters and even among the Obama Hopium denizens opinion is divided on the question of Hillary as Secretary of State.

Some true blue Hillary Clinton supporters believe that the country is in such dire need of genuinely qualified and experienced leadership that Hillary should tutor the unqualified and inexperienced Obama and that Hillary can save the world.

Some droopy-eyed Obama supporters are upset that Hillary Clinton will lead the massive State Department apparatus and have control over American foreign policy and that Hillary and Bill Clinton loyalists will also control domestic economic policy – a de facto 44. The droopy-eyed denizens of Hopium alley are asking themselves “this is change?”

Some Hillary supporters are upset with Hillary for falling into a trap. Some Hillary supporters are upset with Hillary for not fighting the nefarious Obama. Some Obama supporters are upset with Obama for falling into a trap (or lying to them). Some Obama supporters are upset with Obama for not fighting the very intelligent Hillary.

We advise a much more cold-eyed, pragmatic approach.

We respect and admire Hillary Clinton but we have read the Psalmist (146.3) Put not your trust in princes. We respected and admired and defended Hillary Clinton during the primaries quite simply because she was and is the best, not a god, simply the best. On universal health care, economic policy and foreign policy Hillary is simply the best. However, when Hillary made her November 4 election recommendation we respected her yet did not follow her recommendation.

We are not worshippers at a Hillary shrine but we do recognize a remarkable jewel when we see one. We respect Hillary and listen with respect to what she says – but we do not genuflect. We do not bow and scrape and burn incense and chant – like those doopy-eyed commemorative plate and coin buyers in the Hopium dens.

On the Secretary of State situation – we will support Hillary’s decision, whatever it is, because it is a personal decision which requires balancing tests which Hillary herself is best positioned to weigh – even as we advise against Hillary placing herself inside a gilded cage. Of course, Hillary is a fabulous bird who has the capacity of pushing aside the bars and barriers of any cage.

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There is a faction within Big Media Hopium dens who foolishly denigrate Hillary Clinton at every turn. This faction even questions Hillary Clinton’s ability in foreign policy. We have no doubt that Hillary’s many experienced talents include foreign policy. Unlike those who dwell in Hopium dens we have history, facts, to support our beliefs.

To succeed at modern diplomacy, it helps to take the long view. As word trickled out that President-elect Barack Obama was considering Hillary Clinton for Secretary of State, Clinton was on the phone with the President of Pakistan. Asif Ali Zardari was calling with a long-overdue thank-you. Back in 1998, when Zardari’s late wife Benazir Bhutto was powerless and out of favor with the United States, the then First Lady had received her at the White House, over the objections of both the State Department and the National Security Council. Bhutto eventually regained her influence, and before her assassination last December, became an important U.S. ally. But she had never forgotten that act of graciousness, Zardari told Clinton on Nov. 14. “To be treated with such respect was very important.”

Perhaps Hillary served tea at her meeting with Benazir Bhutto. In Hillary’s hands, even a teacup is a potentially potent weapon in foreign policy. Obama is too unqualified and inexperienced to understand that type of power. During the primaries Obama denigrated Hillary’s foreign policy credentials as having tea with ambassadors.

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At a great moment during the civil rights struggle of the last century, Dr. King said unearned suffering is redemptive. For decades Hillary has been lashed and verbally beaten by the right wing of American politics. During this election cycle we witnessed the Democratic left decompose into Hillary Haters worse than Republicans and the right-wing.

Earlier tormentors like Richard Mellon Scaife who spent tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars to destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton this year endorsed her presidential bid. Even the far fringe of the far fringe – Ann Coulter – declared that in a general election race with Hillary Clinton as the Democratic candidate Coulter would not only endorse Hillary – she would campaign for Hillary.

The Dimocratic Party and Dean/Brazile/Pelosi/Kennedy selected Obama and gifted him the nomination. Hillary was hounded by Dean/Brazile/Pelosi/Kennedy to get out of the race for the nomination even as Hillary won primary after primary. The right-wing was watching and gained respect for Hillary.

How did the feminist wife of Bill Clinton, demonized as a fiend during much of his tenure, end up as the Great Right Hope of the party they bested? The race changed her, and it, beyond all expectations. [snip]

Conservatives watched, with surprise, with some awe, and with some bemusement. Perhaps this was her all along.

In the spring, conservatives found themselves pulling for Clinton, in the interests of keeping the Democratic feud going. But as time passed and she refused to dissolve in the face of adversity, a strategic alliance based on convenience became infused with a Strange New Respect. How tough she was. How relentlessly viable. How she resisted the pressure of Obama obsessives, who were trying to show her the door. And how right she was, at least from their viewpoint, and at least upon foreign affairs. “Hillary became the sane one in the race, at least from Republicans’ perspectives,” as Jennifer Rubin observed as the race ended, noting that she was the one who had ridiculed Obama’s plans to meet unconditionally with the leaders of terrorist governments, who had defied her party to vote to classify the Iranian National Guard as a terrorist outfit, who had “looked at George Stephanopoulos with a look of incredulity” when he asked why, if Iran attacked Israel, she would bomb Iran into rubble, or at least smithereens.

The Dimocrats were watching too:

This shift in the Hillary Clinton persona did not go unobserved on the left, which commenced to tear her apart in the same terms of endearment it would later unleash upon Sarah Palin, and had used before on George W. Bush and Joe Lieberman., founded ten years ago by liberal Democrats to defend the Clintons against impeachment proceedings, now assailed her with the savage ferocity they had once reserved for Ken Starr. As a result, perhaps, Hillary later refused to attack Sarah Palin, and treated her, and McCain, with personal courtesy throughout the campaign.

Our right-wing enemies and opponents agree with us that history is a teacher:

As for the conservatives, many of those who began 2008 willing to do anything to defeat her tended to end it feeling sorry she lost. They began to tell themselves and each other they would sleep better at night if she were the nominee of her party, for reasons having to do with the now-famous three a.m. phone call. She would not, they said, have gone to Berlin and said that the city was saved by the world coming together; she would have known that the Air Force had something to do with it. As thoughts turned later on to possible cabinet picks, the thought of Hugo Chavez and Vladimir Putin staring into the clueless eyes of John Kerry and/or Bill Richardson roused still more anxiety. Better the steely gimlet-eyed stare of a Hillary Clinton. They feared Iran now, not the former First Lady. The days when they feared her now seemed far away.

Hillary Clinton deserves our respect and has earned our admiration.

Like a lighthouse in the dark, Hillary stands alone, casting a light to bring us home. Shine on Hillary.


162 thoughts on “In Praise Of Hillary Clinton

  1. But-but-but- George Soros had admitted he is Move-Ons financier!

    Move-On is a paid whore for Soros’, oh not to be indelicate, Soros’ fantasies of the self-annointed, Big Bad Wolf!

  2. WOW!!!
    Admin you have spoken for all of us in a manner that deserves to be applaued and remembered for years to come.I must include you in my admiration for Hillary for you also are a national treasure and so inspirational in our fight for what is right and just for our great Country.

    By ABM90 My undying thanks

  3. ABM90:

    I agree with you…To me Admin has been the beacon, bringing much needed light when I have needed it these last months…

    Admin has done it with courage, grit in the face of extreme opposition…

    Thank you Admin…who ever you are!!! 🙂

  4. Again another great article.

    This once proud Democrats was disgusted by what I saw of our pathetic leaders and the party apparatus having not one Iota of regret in the Sexism and Mysoginy the use of “the politics of personal destruction” against the Clintons by their own party was the final straw that broke this camel back.

    It released me from my loyalty to the Democratic Party and open my eyes to the freedom of INDEPENDENCE. My loyalty is for the best candidate that works for all the people and not just a few well connected, equivocators, and douchbags.

    For once I want to see a record of accomplishments that think of “We the People” and not “I am the people.”

  5. wbboei, dearheart

    Thank you for the compliment at November 24th, 2008 at 3:34 pm.

    There is no way you would have known that today is a very important and sad anniversary for me…I can’t bear to rewrite what I’ve said so many times today, so will repeat what I emailed to a favorite HillFriend:

    “Thank you for taking some time out of your day to connect with me,,, you know how Quakerish I am,,, Though she hardly ever slept, I think you must have jostled my mom’s spirit awake… cause I’ve started getting emails about a mention today about me on a pro Hill blog, one of my favorites, HillaryIs44. At risk of being a self-promoter:

    “We all know what a fine mind Emjay has. She said something to me the other day that rang so true I have to repeat it. She said the difference between Hillary and Condi as SoS will be that Hillary will be tough as nails in hammering out the right deal for America and the world behind closed doors, and when she emerges before the cameras she will (flash her million watt smile and) make all parties look good. Condi, alas, is the opposite.”

    (I did shamefully add… ‘imagine the same exit interview coming from Judas Richardson or PickleFace Kerry’. No smile, no grace, no magnanimity, no diplomacy. Just pure power.’)

    You thankfully left that out, making me appear much more gracious than I am in real life.

    My mom would be pleased, even after these lost 35 years.

    Thanks for helping me give that bit of parent-pride to her after all these years.

  6. Big Three.Bail yourself out of your self inflicted financial problems.For starters sell all of your enormous inventory of gas guzzling luxury cars and trucks.A nationwide inventory reduction sale then go into bankruptcy if needed.Regroup and clean house give the UAW an ultimatum on your money not ours.Survival the fittest is still the reality of being in any business.

    By ABM90

  7. ADMIN…as usual, right on! so, so true…

    Shine on Hillary…we LOVE, RESPECT AND ADMIRE YOU! The world is waiting to welcome you…

  8. Admin,

    You continue to rock with your important messages! Thank you.


    My thoughts are with you today.

  9. Admin,

    Your writing becomes more poetic with each new thread.


    ‘…..even as we advise against Hillary placing herself inside a gilded cage. Of course, Hillary is a fabulous bird who has the capacity of pushing aside the bars and barriers of any cage.’

  10. Admin, you hit it right between the eyes. A great leader is not worshipped, they are respected for what they have accomplished, and much is expected of them in return.

    I don’t follow Hillary, I selected her to fix the nation based on her education (and her accomplishments there), her experience, and her toughness.

    My patiotism is not based on making the easy decisions to belong to this country, but based on the hard decisions, which might not make me popular. A Democracy is based on the courage of people stating I DISAGREE WITH YOU. The more you question you country, and its leaders, the strong your Democracy is.

  11. Yo, ABM !

    Remind each of them to sell ALL their private planes as well.

    More than one of them has more than ONE private jet at their beck and call.

  12. Thanks, admin. Very good. I’ve been trying to keep steady on that sort of attitude but you’ve nailed it closer.. (And so has wbboei.)

    I’ll miss the way Hillary was behaving in the primaries, her independent uppity woman style. I suppose she will have to wear another style as SOS. So I’ll have to stand back further, not follow her so closely or emotionally-with-glad-confident-morning. Maybe she can turn on a dime like that, but I can’t.

    Still substance is more important than style, and she may accomplish more for women throughout the world this way. Her style gave us US feminists hope, but there are many millions of women in the world who just need help.

    I was very surprised at the good Clinton appointments the new administration came out with. I suspect Clintonian hands in the backroom. Now a UK paper (thanks, Mrs. Smith) has said she’s already kicking ass in the State Dept as a condition of accepting SOS! Sounds like she has got some solid clout somewhere! Which might explain some of her behavior in the campaign; getting Obama elected so she could control his admin, without letting the Bots catch on to her Secret Plan.

    Not that I’m promoting starry-eyed-ness either….

    (Assuming that she actually does take SOS, which we don’t know yet.)

  13. Oh Carby and NMF,

    Both of you have always looked at acoomplishments more than boastful promises…and that makes you good judges of character.

    Good on ya both.

  14. Emjay,

    I lost my beloved mother over five years ago. A day doesn’t go by that I don’t think of her and miss her loving smile and generous heart.

    I totally understand what you are feeling.

  15. Hillary has never been about Hillary she has always been about what she can do for us. She has always been there fighting for us. I cant think of anyone else I want talking for us in the Middle East or Russia, when that 3:00 am phone call comes. I know I will sleep better at night knowing she is the SOS.

    Time is on Hillary’s side and there is a chance at 2012. Slowly we see his sheep turning on him already, in time the MSM will turn on him like nothing we have ever seen and once they do it will be all over . And who will be there to pick up the peices, Hillary will be there.

    Hillary you are my Hero keep fighting for us.

  16. Emjay, I lost my mother in her 90th year 5 years ago. She has alway been a rock, a solid honest no nonsense person. Then suddenly she just was not there. I wanted her longer, and felt selfiish for wanted that. Most people don’t have their parents that long. I think of her every day, and I know she is up there watching us. I was so lucky to have her as a parent.

  17. NMF, I lost my mother in 2002 Dec — I was about to visit her in exactly two weeks. I also wanted to call her that morning before I left for work but was running late for a meeting (useless?), so I left without calling her — I could kill myself later. That night when I got the call from my much agitated brother, for the first time in my life, I felt weak in the knee — I did not even know what that meant before that. I had seen her in August that summer and the night I left, she came running back to the car calling my name plaintively as if she did not want to let me go. The curse of living in a foreign country thousands of miles away — one foot here, one foot there, your mind/work is here but your heart there.

  18. Hi, Hillfriends!

    Admin thank you for a great post – you put beautifully into words how I feel about this new possible turn of events for Hillary. I can’t say if this is the best thing for Hillary’s career, but I believe that it’s the best thing for our country and for the world.

    Think of how Hillary was in the O’Reilly interview – sparring, but always charming. Her caring and strength and shining light will be felt around the globe.

  19. Jan and NMF,

    Yes, yes , yes. My mom was 60, I was 32, it was sudden, she and I had just put my grandma to rest 2 months before. It has been long enough ago that I don’t think of her Every day, and have no guilt any longer about that or all the other things a child, even older and the eldest, can feel guilty about.

    But as I said and I hear you feeling about your beloved ones, sometimes I miss her so much, it is hard to breathe.

    I am now through another year, and another anniversary and will have two brandies in her honor again next year. Thanks for hearing me out…

    and to you wbboei, bless your heart…how could you have known? Angels and spirits and whatever, oh my!

  20. Thanks, Emjay. For some reason, this is the year I am mourning her — I don’t think I came to terms with her death completely before. I still think about running off to that meeting and not calling her — there is always tomorrow right, but the person you want may not be there. A very rude lesson, indeed.

  21. pm317

    I also question things that happen, and things I wish I would have done differently. But what I keep reminding myself is that death is not scripted, and many times we do not know when it will happen. The important thing is not what you did then, but how you treated her thorugh out her life. I am glad she lived long enough so that we had a habit of saying we loved each other at the end of phone conversations, as people of her generation did not show that sort of affection.

    I know that she knew that I loved her, and that is what I comfort myself with.

  22. NMF, amazing you should say this: “as people of her generation did not show that sort of affection.” I thought it was unique to my Indian culture about not being demonstrative. My mother did not and I had lot of doubts about how she felt but that last visit and the last few minutes with her dispelled most of it. She came to my car window and stretched her hand and ruffled my hair and touched my face lingering on the side of my face, I was a kid again. You’re right, it is about the entirety of life and I think she was proud of me.

  23. I believe it’s important to always tell people you care about, how you feel, because you never know how long they will be with you and they may never know how you feel if you don’t tell them.

    This goes for anyone you care about or admire. Let them know, it will be good for both of you.

  24. I don’t think V.P. Biden will last more then 1 term. I just don’t get a close vibe between the two of them. I think Biden made too many gaffe about him being president in the begining for Obama to trust him.

    And Sarah Palin creamed his clock at the debate, no matter how much the Pro-Obama media say he won…he didn’t. Where as, Hillary debating skills are awesome and she is a fighter. I like Palin but Hillary would had scored a knockout and then put a knee on her thoat.

    But both of them think first about “We the People” and for me I give Palin a the edge on personal integrity because you have to have a lot of it to be fight your own party, walk away from a high paying job, and then comeback to beat both party tickets without any funding from the party apparatus…only through the help of “We the People.”

    She has GUTS and she is a honest politician that can’t be bribe into making backroom deals like we’ve just seen with this pass BAILOUT/WELFARE PROGRAM for the WELL CONNECTED.

  25. Bravo, BRAVO! And thank you for singing out, admin! Singing out in appreciation of HRC! A jewel, yes, she is! A beacon shining in the darkness, yes, she is! A national treasure! And the irony is that the more her detractors sneer at her the brighter she shines and the tackier they look. She thrives on challenge. Lesser minds cannot appreciate her, but history will respect her – generations to come will wish they had known her. Aren’t we lucky we do?! She is a great example of the best the American way of life produces.

    24 November 2008

    With Clintonites in his Cabinet, forgiveness for Lieberman,
    and creeping signs of centrism progressives may be on the verge of panic. Some are worried that President-elect Barack Obama
    is already making too many compromises


    One of the first things Barack Obama did after winning the election two weeks ago was put an old-school political brawler in charge of his White House.

    Next, he saved Joe Lieberman.

    Then, he met with John McCain, and asked Hillary Clinton to run his State Department. For good measure, he’s also apparently weighing whether to keep George W. Bush’s Defense secretary, Robert Gates, on at the Pentagon.

    This is the guy Republicans called a socialist, maybe a Marxist, and National Journal said was the most liberal member of the US Senate? McCain aides were saying on Election Night that their own polling showed 60 percent of the country thought Obama was a liberal (and many voted for him anyway). Barely two weeks into the transition, that number might already be dropping fast.

    In fact, in his appointments, and in what can be divined of his foreign policy, there are loud echoes of the last Democratic administration, and also of that lady he beat in the primaries, the one the netroots didn’t like very much. Certainly, some of Obama’s supporters are getting a little nervous about what this all presages about an Obama White House. “The list [of disappointments] is getting awfully long,” wrote the blogger bmaz at Firedoglake. “Almost as long as Barack Obama’s arm that he used to take our money and efforts to get himself elected. All we have seen is the short arm he has used to punch us in the face and collect street cred with villagers for having done so.” Open Left’s Chris Bowers wrote on Friday that he felt “incredibly frustrated … [W]hy isn’t there a single member of Obama’s cabinet who will be advising him from the left?” Even Pat Buchanan — not exactly the world’s most liberal guy — apparently thinks Obama needs to throw a bone to progressives after the start the transition is off to.

    But so far, the Obama administration is shaping up to be more or less exactly what Obama always said he was, in between the “hope” and “change” rhetoric: pragmatic, consensus-oriented and interested in getting things done. That’s not necessarily what a lot of Democrats want him to be, though. Obama was bound to disappoint his supporters; think of the transition as the road map for how it’s going to happen. And know that it won’t come as a surprise to the president-elect himself; in 2006, in “The Audacity of Hope,” he wrote that people tend to “project their own views” on him, and recognized what could happen as a result: “As such I am bound to disappoint some, if not all of them.”

    “This has been the pattern for him historically — the left falls in love with him because of his eloquent oratory and his, I think, genuine sense of mission to help people who are less fortunate,” said biographer David Mendell. “But he has legislated from somewhere in the middle, and then once he gets into a general election campaign, he tends to squirt that direction even farther. He’ll irritate people on both sides — except the right expects him to be a Democrat, and the far left expects him to be one of them. And he’s consistently disappointed the far left.”

    To date, the president-elect’s most notable difference of opinion with his supporters is probably on the subject of Joe Lieberman. He seems to have escaped blame for the Democratic failure to punish Lieberman last week, though Senate Democrats would certainly have been tougher on the Connecticut senator had Obama not intervened on his behalf. Harry Reid, instead, is becoming the fall guy for the slap on the wrist Lieberman received. That’s either evidence of denial on the part of many Obama fans, or a sign that, among liberals, Obama has far more goodwill to burn than Reid has. Blogger and author (and Salon contributor) David Sirota blames long-standing Democratic habits and not Obama for Lieberman’s escape from punishment. “The Democratic leadership [on Capitol Hill] has decided that the way it is going to govern, it is going to essentially triangulate aggressively against its own party,” said. “I actually don’t think Obama in his policy positions he’s taken since the election — I don’t think he’s actually done that. It’s possible that congressional leaders are actually fearing that Obama will be far more legislatively aggressive than them.”

    But the big sticking point for many of Obama’s intra-party critics is the strong strain of Clintonism running through appointments. They can lay the failure to banish Lieberman at Harry Reid’s feet but they can’t rewrite the résumés of people like Rahm Emanuel.

    “You could have had an administration with a sprinkling of Clinton people, it would have been fine,” said Robert Kuttner, co-editor of the American Prospect and a distinguished senior fellow at Demos, a liberal think tank (and a longtime critic of Bill Clinton’s centrist economic policies). “But when so many of the top people are holdovers, and he’s promoting change, you have to say, wait a minute.” Republicans are hoping to exploit any disconnect between Obama and his supporters — the Republican National Committee has been sending reporters e-mail blasts of background research on each potential Cabinet pick, pointing out how many are Washington insiders with long ties to the Clinton administration or to other parts of the city’s establishment.

    The list of Clinton alums in the transition or the administration starts with Hillary Clinton, who is reportedly set to take over at State, then goes to Emanuel, the incoming White House chief of staff, transition co-chairman (and Clinton White House chief of staff) John Podesta and plenty of lower-level aides. Eric Holder, whom Obama will reportedly nominate as attorney general, was a deputy at the Justice Department under Clinton. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who is likely to be named Commerce secretary soon, had several Clinton administration jobs (though he endorsed Obama after dropping out of the presidential race himself). Clinton’s former Treasury secretary, Lawrence Summers, will be a senior White House economic advisor and nearly got his old job back — which progressives are particularly alarmed about. “Appointing someone who helped get us into this mess with what he fought for is a really bad idea,” said Robert Borosage, co-director of the Campaign for America’s Future. (New York Federal Reserve branch head Tim Geithner will be named the new Treasury secretary-designate on Monday; he’s worked closely with much of the Clinton-era economic team in the past.)

    Some antiwar activists are also starting to wonder what happened to the Obama who first rose to prominence in the Iowa caucuses because he opposed the war. “Obama always really used to his advantage the fact that he did not support the Iraq war in the beginning, and that was a key argument that he used to discredit Hillary Clinton, and something that he was able to tout to his benefit,” said Kelly Dougherty, executive director of Iraq Veterans Against the War. “People put all this hope into getting Obama elected — the reasons were much deeper. They didn’t just want to get him elected, but they want to see real change.” Add in Clinton, at State, and Vice President-elect Joe Biden, and Obama would be getting foreign policy and military advice from a lot of people who supported the Iraq war. And then there are people who are rumored to be under consideration who worked for someone far more hated on the left than Hillary Clinton. If Bush’s secretary of defense, Robert Gates, sticks around, how will that play with the base? How about John Brennan, who worked at the CIA earlier in the Bush administration and whom Obama is rumored to like for a top intelligence job (either at CIA or as director of national intelligence)? The Brennan rumor is already proving divisive because of his support for torture.

    Still, even critics are sanguine about some of Obama’s picks. Obama doesn’t have much choice except to turn to ex-Clinton aides in many jobs; there aren’t many Democrats who are ready to take relatively senior positions who’ve worked in government but didn’t work for Clinton.

    “It hasn’t surprised me that he’s chosen stars from the Clinton bench, because that’s the bench we have,” said Borosage, who — aside from the return of Summers to a national role — mostly likes the direction of the transition so far. “Many of the appointments strike me as terrific, in the sense of serious people who will try to get things done.”

    That does seem to be the main factor motivating what the transition team is doing so far. Every public statement from Obama, Podesta and Emanuel has emphasized a desire to hit the ground running on Jan. 20; progressives may not love some of the names Obama is appointing to these jobs, but they still like what he says he wants the appointees to do once in office. Working in Chicago, Obama aides never spent much time during the campaign worrying about what Democrats back in D.C. were saying about their strategy, and so far, the transition team seems to be taking a similar approach. Emanuel, after meeting with Senate Republicans on Thursday, sounded more bipartisan and magnanimous than he ever has before. “The challenges for the country are large,” he told reporters. “The problems we face are of a serious magnitude. There is enough area and enough goodwill for ideas from both parties to solve those challenges.”

    Obama aides seem to have settled on a pretty blunt message for supporters who don’t like the appointments he’s making: Obama’s in charge — calm down. “People need to understand one thing,” senior advisor David Axelrod told ABC News’ “This Week With George Stephanopoulos” on Sunday. “There’s one person who’s going to be in charge of American foreign policy, and there’s one person who’s going to be in charge of American economic policy. And that’s Barack Obama.”

    For now, any grumbling is at a low enough volume that it doesn’t have Obama staffers worried; even Kuttner said some of the people who might raise eyebrows as Clintonites (like Holder, and incoming White House counsel Greg Craig) endorsed Obama in the primary campaign, representing a clear break. On Capitol Hill, Democrats say they’re mostly impressed with the transition operation so far — there’s been hardly any infighting, the leaks of names appear to be deliberate and no one hears a peep about people who weren’t picked. Obama’s ban on lobbyists in the transition means plenty of Hill staffers are working to put together the new administration, which is a sure way to set lawmakers at ease, and many progressive interest groups already had relationships with the people doing the day-to-day work at the transition.

    Still, sometime next year, if the White House proposes something that really gets under the skin of liberal activists, no one will be able to say they couldn’t see it coming. It’s one thing to build a coalition of progressives and sweep to the Oval Office on the heels of record disapproval for the current occupant. As Obama and his supporters are finding out already, it’s a whole other thing to govern.

  27. Progressives (what a misnomer?!) — I never understood what they wanted from Obama in return for their support? It was one big love fest and they gave him a pass at every red flag which we rightfully noticed. They gave away their votes and now they want him to have read their minds? Obama seems like the kind of guy who relishes throwing people under the bus, humiliate them, especially those who were his lapdogs. Have you seen any of his sick sycophants get anything in this transition?

  28. lil ole grape

    Glad to see you bloggin with us again.


    They went on blind faith. Unfortunately, without a track record in Politics, that is a bit risky. This is the man that let his own people live without heat etc. If they were really thinking right, that would have let them know how they would be treated. People who run around on their spouses, continue to run around on their spouses. I said it before, a leapard does not change their spots.

    So Judas sold his soul for Sec of Commerce? In a Clinton administration, he would have done better. However, as I said before, you should know who you are sleeping with, and don’t expect to be treated any better than who they slept with before. (Wright, etc).

    As far as the Dems saving this administration for the Dem people, I guess only time will tell.

  29. I have never believed that FOX has changed its spots and is fair and balanced far and beyond the rest of the hyena media pack.Colmes is leaving because they no longer need him and his feeble attempts to be legitimate.I think Kinky Morris is going to be his biased hateful and sickening replacement until Hillary takes office.This poor excuse for a human being will tip the balance scale back to where this sorry bunch emerged.The FOX DEN of Iniquities.Put them on the s— list and express our disgust loud and clear.Hannity O’reilley Morris Powers Smith Hume Barnes along with literally hundreds more of their 24/7 morally challenged attack dogs are a good example of the abuses that are cultivated in the name of free speech.We are the listeners and watchers that need to continue to reveal their nefarious agenda to control the political outcome of their evil goals for the big money interests.

    BY ABM90 Hillary Your country needs you more than any other time in our history and we will stay united at your back.

  30. “So Judas sold his soul for Sec of Commerce? In a Clinton administration, he would have done better.”

    Please Sec of Coimmerce is too good for him…he should be Sec. of dogcatching.

  31. Report: Obama Didn’t Have as Many Small Donors as Was Hyped
    November 25, 2008 9:26 AM

    The Campaign Finance Institute issued a “Reality Check” report that demolishes the myth that President-elect Obama was largely funded by small donors.

    In reality, says the non-partisan group, the percentage of small donors who gave to the Obama campaign — 26 percent — is roughly the same as the percentage of small donors who contributed to President Bush’s reelection in 2004, 25 percent.

    “It turns out that Barack Obama’s donors may not have been quite as different as we had thought,” says the Institute’s study. “Throughout the election season, this organization and others have been reporting that Obama received about half of his discrete contributions in amounts of $200 or less. The Campaign Finance Institute (CFI) noted in past releases that donations are not the same as donors, since many people give more than once. After a more thorough analysis of data from the Federal Election Commission (FEC), it has become clear that repeaters and large donors were even more important for Obama than we or other analysts had fully appreciated.”

    “The myth is that money from small donors dominated Barack Obama’s finances,” said CFI’s executive director Michael J. Malbin. “The reality of Obama’s fundraising was impressive, but the reality does not match the myth.”

    Only 26 percent of PEBO’s money through August 31 (and 24 percent of his funds through October 15) came from donors whose total contributions aggregated to $200 or less, the Institute says.

    The change in record-keeping comes after the Institute merged the donor records, combining multiple records, which updated the data base, revealing that 580,000 different people ultimately gave more than $200 so they were no longer considered “small donors.”

    PEBO ultimately received about 80 percent more money from large donors (giving more than $1,000) than from small donors — 47 percent of his total cash, compared with 56 percent for Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., in 2004, and 60 percent for both Bush and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.

    The Institute estimates that through the end of August, PEBO raised $90 million with the help of bundlers, $120 million or so from other large donors, and $119 million from small donors. “The comparison should make one think twice before describing small donors as the financial engine of the Obama campaign,” the Institute concludes.

    — jpt

  32. I am ambivalent at best about her accepting for many reasons, but understand she would otherwise be stuck in a senate with some of the most despicable turncoats we have ever seen in politics. Yet, watching the smug Eugene Robinson last night on Olberman(reluctantly turned it one for a few minutes) I can tell her EVERY step will be analyzed, criticized, and she will be the whipping post for all that is wrong….In other words, Obama will be protected from any failures because the blame will be directly put on the shoulders of the Clinton’s.
    In fact, I think it was yet, another brilliant and conniving move by BO and company to have a “straw man” in Hillary to take the fall….The media certainly will give him a pass for at least his first term on thre economy he is iinheriting from GW.
    I hope Hillary dois able to once again lift our nation up in the eyes of the world as she and Bill did in the 90’s, but with a back stabber like BO, and a hatred by the press which exceedss anything the republicans ever did towards the Clinton’s, it will be hard.
    Lastly, Judas Richardon must feel like the biggest putz ever…betrayeying the Clinton’s, losing tout to Hillary for SOS, and gven a very insignificant position imo..Even BO knew he could not trust a turncoat like this guy.

  33. meiyingsu,

    I think we could all get rich on the number of “myths” that are going to seep through in the next little while about the so-called “change-meister!”

  34. Emjay: I have lived to bury many of my loved ones and their memorie will always be with me The loss of my dear wife of 64 years was by far the most devasting.We were best friends and
    partners in her prolific art career painter sculptor weaver and glass.The memories are overwhelming but very sustaining in my every day life I remember soe words by Dylan.

    “Cherish Memories..If you want to KEEP them You first have to
    LIVE them”.

    Have a great Thanskgiving Day ALL

    BY ABM90

  35. After the Bitterness, Obama Appoints Team Clinton
    By Richard Cohen

    The unsurprising moderation of Barack Obama has caught many people by surprise. At this point, he seems intent on restoring a version of the old Clinton presidency — Hillary Clinton running foreign policy, Robert Rubin’s ensemble running the economy, Bill Richardson at Commerce and nary a certified cut ‘n’ runner on Iraq anywhere in sight. The erstwhile “change” candidate seems intent on vindicating that old French expression: The more things change, the more they remain the same. Oui.

    What is surprising is that any of this should come as a surprise. All during the primary campaign, the main difference between Obama and Hillary Clinton was supposedly Iraq. This was the issue that propelled him to victory in Iowa and this was the issue that stoked his supporters to paroxysms of enthusiasm. One candidate was for peace and the other was for the war — and that was all there was to it.

    Not quite. There was always a synaptic gap between Obama’s ethereal image and his more grounded reality, and the sneaky suspicion that he and Hillary Clinton were not all that far apart on anything — Iraq included. He conceded as much before the presidential race began. “I think very highly of Hillary,” he told New Yorker editor David Remnick back in 2006. “The more I get to know her, the more I admire her.” In that same interview, Obama even narrowed the gap on Iraq: “I was running for the U.S. Senate, she had to take a vote, and casting votes is always a difficult test.” In other words, who knows?

    This is not to suggest that Obama thought the war in Iraq was really a good thing. It does suggest, though, that he recognized that the issue was never an easy one, and had he not represented a dovish Chicago district in the Illinois Senate, he might well have expressed a more nuanced opposition. After all, not a single one of Obama’s U.S. Senate rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination voted against authorizing the war. Two of them are now about to play prominent roles in the shaping and executing of Obama’s foreign policy — Joe Biden, the vice president-elect, and Hillary Clinton, the presumptive secretary of state. As for the economy, a third Clinton administration would probably have looked like an Obama first: Lawrence Summers doing macro, Timothy Geithner doing micro and both of them doing late night calls to Bob Rubin in New York.

    What, then, can explain the length and bitterness of the Democratic primary campaign? For the answer, we must look not to some talking head, but to Sigmund Freud and his phrase “the narcissism of small differences.” By this, he meant the antipathy we feel toward people who resemble us. To an outsider, this explains the age-old Protestant-Catholic enmity or the proclivity of Shiites and Sunnis to slaughter one another. It also explains why Clinton and Obama supporters were at each other’s throats. With the exception of the candidates themselves, they had so few differences. This is why so many Obama supporters despised Hillary Clinton — and were despised in return.

    Remember that? Remember when Hillary Clinton had no integrity, no character, when she lied about almost everything and could be trusted about almost nothing? Remember when she was excoriated for diabolically exonerating Obama of the charge that he was, secretly and very ominously, a Muslim by belling her cat of a remark with the portentous phrase — “as far as I know”? And remember when her husband had supposedly revealed himself to be a racist? That was a calumny, a libel and a ferocious mugging of memory itself. But it was believed.

    As is sometimes the case with passionate love, one can look back after a campaign and wonder: What was that all about? Usually, the passion of the campaign is shared by the candidates themselves and, for sure, their staffs. They live in a bubble infected by rumor and suspicion, a latter-day Borgian court of intrigue. But with Obama, he seemed always to distance himself from the heat of the campaign and to look down at it, as he did with that immense crowd in Berlin, as being of short-term use.

    A presidential campaign is really a government looking for a parking space. Obama’s campaign showed us a candidate of maximum cool. He has always remained ironically detached and that has served him — and now us — very well indeed. It’s now clear that he will not govern from the left and not really from the center but, as his campaign suggested, from above it all.
    What a bunch of crock! Keep drinking that koolaid to absolve the media of their failure to report the news, instead of making it.


  36. carbynew,

    The media will never take any responsibility for their criminal actions in the election process. We alone must hold their collective feet to the fire.

  37. U.S. Unveils $800 Billion Credit Program

    The United States government unveiled $800 billion worth of new loans and debt purchases on Tuesday, hoping another massive infusion of cash would smooth troubled credit markets and make borrowing easier for homebuyers, small businesses and students.

    The Federal Reserve said it would buy up to $600 billion in mortgage-backed assets from government-sponsored mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It would buy up to $100 billion in debt directly from the companies and up to $500 billion in mortgage-backed securities.

    “This action is being taken to reduce the cost and increase the availability of credit for the purchase of houses, which in turn should support housing markets and foster improved conditions in financial markets more generally,” the Federal Reserve said in a statement.

    Separately, the Fed and Treasury Department announced a $200 billion program to ease commercial lending on debt like student loans, car loans or business loans. The Fed would lend up to $200 billion to holders of asset-backed securities supported by car loans, credit card loans, student loans, and business loans guaranteed by the Small Business Administration.

    The program would be seeded with $20 billion in “credit protection” from the Treasury Department, which is drawing the money from the original $700 billion bailout.

    “It gives institutions liquidity and it’s clearly direct lending that will help consumers,” Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. said Tuesday at a news conference.The announcements came one day after President-elect Barack Obama unveiled his economic team and tried to assure Americans that he was seeking to fill any leadership vacuum, and said his economic advisers would begin working “today.” The advisers include Timothy F. Geithner, his choice for Treasury secretary.

    The Standard & Poor’s 500 stock index rose 6.4 percent on Monday, and the Dow Jones industrials jumped 4.9 percent, reprising the Friday upswing. Markets in New York continued their upward swing in early trading on Tuesday, and were up about 2 percent.

    As if to underscore the transfer of power now under way, Mr. Obama introduced his new economic team at a news conference in Chicago on Monday shortly after Mr. Bush made brief remarks outside the Treasury Department.

    Mr. Obama expressed support for the Citigroup plan and urged Congress to adopt swiftly a major plan to stimulate spending and to reverse job losses.

    “The news this past week, including this morning’s news about Citigroup,” Mr. Obama said, “has made it even more clear that we are facing an economic crisis of historic proportions. If we do not act swiftly and boldly, most experts now believe that we could lose millions of jobs next year.”

    Democratic leaders in Congress are gearing up to move quickly on an economic recovery package that aides said could cost more than $500 billion. The goal is to have a legislative package approved by the House and the Senate and ready for Mr. Obama to sign, perhaps on his first day in office, in January.

    “We have to make sure,” Mr. Obama said, “that the stimulus is significant enough that it really gives a jolt to the economy.”

    The president-elect declined to estimate the size or scope of such legislation, but he said, “We are going to do what’s required.”

    In addition to Mr. Geithner as his nominee for Treasury secretary, Mr. Obama also named a former Treasury secretary, Lawrence H. Summers, to head the White House Economic Council and described Mr. Summers’s experience as essential to “navigate the uncharted waters of this economic crisis.”

    The selections of Mr. Geithner, who played a large role in the Citigroup rescue plan as president of the Federal Reserve Bank in New York, and Mr. Summers, now a Harvard economist, signaled that Mr. Obama intended to pursue aggressive, yet centrist policies, in finding ways to help jump-start the economy.

    Over the next four weeks, Mr. Obama intends to announce most of his cabinet.

    While he has already settled on most of the key members, including Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico as commerce secretary, the president-elect made certain that his first formal cabinet selections dealt with the economy rather than national security, which more often is given first mention.

    Mr. Obama also announced Monday that he had chosen Christina D. Romer to head his Council of Economic Advisers and Melody Barnes as director of his White House Domestic Policy Council. Ms. Romer is an economics professor at the University of California, Berkeley; Ms. Barnes is a longtime aide to Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts.

    Mr. Obama, who has largely been secluded from public view since being elected three weeks ago as the 44th president, is taking steps to be more visible in the next phase of his transition. He is scheduled Tuesday to name his budget director, Peter R. Orszag, who held the job under President Bill Clinton, and is expected to outline new budget reforms that will call on Americans to make sacrifices.

    “Right now, our economy is trapped in a vicious cycle,” Mr. Obama said at the news conference.. “The turmoil on Wall Street means a new round of belt-tightening for families and businesses on Main Street, and as folks produce less and consume less, that just deepens the problems in our financial markets.”

    As a presidential candidate, Mr. Obama criticized the Bush administration tax cuts for upper-income Americans. On Monday, he declined to say whether he would seek to repeal the tax cuts immediately or rather wait for them to expire in 2011. His advisers have said that his January economic stimulus plan will not include tax increases, for fear of upsetting the economy.

    Mr. Obama noted that he still intended to pursue a middle-class tax cut. “The very wealthiest among us,” he said, “will pay a little bit more in order for us to be able to invest in the economy and get it back on track.”

    He also said the struggling domestic automobile industry could not be allowed “simply to vanish.” But he also said that companies should not get “a blank check” from taxpayers and that he was surprised the auto companies’ chief executives were not better prepared with specific recovery proposals when they visited Capitol Hill last week.

    “My attitude is that we should help the auto industry,” Mr. Obama said. “But what we should expect is that any additional money that we put into the auto industry, any help that we provide, is designed to assure a long-term, sustainable auto industry and not just kicking the can down the road.”

    Under the new financing program that Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. plans to announce on Tuesday, the Federal Reserve would create a new special-purpose entity that would buy a wide range of consumer and business debt. The Treasury would contribute the “equity” part of the fund, which would absorb most of the losses that might occur. The Fed would then pump in as much as 95 percent of the money that would be used to purchase assets.

    The new fund would, in effect, close the circle in the chaotic evolution of the Treasury rescue effort, officially known as the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP. Under the new version, the government would once again plan to buy assets, including some troubled ones. The Fed would provide most of the money and buy comparatively healthy debt, like bundles of car loans, that private investors have stopped buying in recent weeks.

    Laurence H. Meyer, vice chairman of Macroeconomic Advisers, said the new program would give the Federal Reserve a new way to reduce borrowing costs at a time when its standard tool, the overnight federal funds rate, is already close to zero.

    “This approach,” Mr. Meyer wrote in a note to clients on Monday, “would allow the Fed to buy private assets that are now very illiquid and trading at distressed levels.”

    Mr. Obama offered few specific details of his economic program but suggested that he would include an array of his campaign proposals into his opening legislative package. Rebuilding the economy, he said, “will require action on a great variety of fronts, from education and health care to energy and Social Security.”

    Throughout the news conference, which was televised by all the cable and broadcast networks, Mr. Obama spoke in serious tones. There were no bursts of laughter or light-hearted moments, which punctuated his first postelection news conference more than two weeks ago. Instead, he described the financial outlook in some of the bleakest terms he has used.

    “The economy’s likely to get worse before it gets better,” Mr. Obama said. “Full recovery will not happen immediately. And to make the investments we need, we’ll have to scour our federal budget, line by line, and make meaningful cuts and sacrifices.”

    The announcement of Mr. Obama’s economic team, as well as the broad outlines of his recovery plan, was met by positive reviews from Congressional leaders. But few details have been worked out for how such a sweeping proposal could be ready in time for Mr. Obama’s swearing in.
    The dollar is going to be worth zilch and inflation will be on the rise if these guys don’t cut spending, they will only prolong it.

    I see the UAW got zilch again.

    I would rather see the government give me the money to pay off my bills from the ground up, that would be more efficient…have the American people pay off their bills to their creditors, instead of dropping billions from the sky like rain hoping it lands on the ground instead of evaporating in the air.

  38. In other words, Obama will be protected from any failures because the blame will be directly put on the shoulders of the Clinton’s.
    In fact, I think it was yet, another brilliant and conniving move by BO and company to have a “straw man” in Hillary to take the fall….The media certainly will give him a pass for at least his first term on thre economy he is iinheriting from GW.

    This is my fear also. That she is his shock absorber, if you will. She will have to out maneuver him if he is going to make her the scape goat but he has the proverbial bully pulpit. They will never admit that he needed her even when she does exemplary things. He can kick her out just as easily at the smallest pretext. I don’t quite know where this is going. Yet again, she has been handed the most difficult task and I have no doubt she will rise to it but will they allow it to unravel in a clean and straight forward manner? I don’t know. At the very least they will use her to distract untoward attention at his inadequacies.

  39. meiyingsu Says:

    November 25th, 2008 at 9:58 am
    Report: Obama Didn’t Have as Many Small Donors as Was Hyped
    November 25, 2008 9:26 AM

    Hmmm, another hype job by Big Media???

    Big Media Times wrote: “Obama has been driven by hordes of tiny little donors, college kids sending in beer money, homeless people emailing in a shoe, soup kitchends donating a bowl of soup. Obama’s detractors point out that many of the sources of money have not been adequately vetted, such as donations from obviously bogus people like Popeye The Sailorman, vast sums of funding from overseas, as well as “laundered” money from mega-wealthy contributors like George Soros. But we’re not going to spoil this Historical Candidacy by bringing up pesky issues such as illegal contributions, or that the candidate in question may not be legitimately able to hold the office of President. Those angles cannot be allowed to see the light of day. There are too many Special Editions, and commemorative plates, etc., to be sold, so we’re just going to push Obama until y’all give in.”

  40. • Emjay Says:
    November 25th, 2008 at 1:09 am
    Grape!!!! OH, GRAPE you’re back!!!!
    NewMexicoFan Says:
    November 25th, 2008 at 8:18 am
    lil ole grape
    Glad to see you bloggin with us again

    Gee whiz! You care! Thank you, sweeties. I’ve been here appreciating you every day as always, but unable to speak from a boggled mind – or bloggled from observing that expectations were running low among the knowing, and running high among the deaf, dumb and blind. The state of the nation seemed to be still in a state of stale half and half soon to go totally sour. How long can hope live on hype? Politics often makes me sick at heart, not to mention my tummy.

    Anyway, I’m finally through all 7 stages of grief, especially the kicking and screaming part. But I came out of it laughing because it’s still all about Hillary and Bill! They can’t keep a great woman from standing tall among the small and there’s our Bill being savior of those in need all over the world, a title greedily aspired to by the empty suit the empty-headed Americans voted to be their leader. Meanwhile that Champion of Change is employing all the old pillars of Washington establishment to keep him from falling on his face in a job he’s not fit for.

    My jaded old mother used to say: All politicians are corrupt. They have to be corrupt to get those jobs, and they have to be corrupt to keep them. She always savored one exception: FDR. If she were still living, she’d be savoring Hill and Bill while freely admitting that all dogs have fleas at one time or another no matter how clean they are.

    Thank you all for carrying on through the hard time and thank you for remembering me. Other friends are missing or scarce also … djia and basil — where’s moon? And Idunn and – oh, very glad to see carby … good old wbboei kept the home fires burning with amb90 and stone and turndown, birdgal, rgb etc — I always miss whoever isn’t here and always enjoy those who are. Bless you all.

    Talk to you later with maybe something more pithy to contribute.

  41. Paula Says:
    November 25th, 2008 at 11:27 am

    jbstonesfan, I’m pretty sure Hillary knows what she’s getting into. I trust her to handle whatever comes along.

    I hope you are right, Paula. Nothing so far has given me confidence about this. All the narratives in the media about Hillary coming on board the Obama administration has been negative on Hillary and positive on Obama.

  42. This country has to become a country of producers and not consumers…we need to get back in the business of PRODUCING GOODS…as long as there is an unbalance in this area we will continue to suffer wide swings in economic growth, instead of a consistent upwardly climb.

    We are terribly unbalance with this horrendous deficient that our children and grandchildren will be burden with. This country has become a consumer nation that in order for our economy to grow we have to spend our way out…where is the logic in this?

    I don’t see Obama talking about Energy independence where that yearly 750billions going overseas could help restart our economy here at home….that called producing wealth instead of being consumers of OPW (other people wealth).

  43. Paula,

    I agree.


    You must have so many wonderful memories of your beloved wife. My thoughts are with you.

  44. rickya, That’s because the media can’t stand the Clintons and thought they’d finished with them for good. Once she’s part of his administration, however, it’ll be interesting to see what happens because if they knock her they’ll be knocking Obama by extension.

    All this bashing has just lowered expectations for her as SoS anyway, which she’ll exceed simply by not picking her nose in public.

  45. The media is famous for having temper tantrums if they don’t get their own way. They debate the minutest and most ridiculous issues to the death in order to sway opinion. If he does nothing else, I hope Obama and his gang put a leash on these idiots.

  46. i think the media was cheering the Clinton SOS meme because they see “soap opera renewed for 4 more years”..

    i can’t decide who I hate more out of this election year – acorn or the media. Ok, it’s the media.

  47. Agree with Rickya…I feel it is a no win for Hillary. Media is spending a week already on her supposed nomination with Mathews stating “why would he want the Clinton’s back”, the one time journalist, now media hack Bob Woodward, claiming Obama must be “high”, our “friend ” during the primaries Sean Hannity attacking Hillary and Bill every night, and the entire dailykos/Moveon/Huffington crowd angered…

  48. The hard left media is still looking for a scapegoat for themselves. It’s not about Clinton, it’s Obama they championed for as this new change agent.

    Bwahahahaha….Obama even wrote it in his in 2006, in “The Audacity of Hope,” he wrote that people tend to “project their own views” on him, and recognized what could happen as a result: “As such I am bound to disappoint some, if not all of them.”


    Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry and Howard Dean all dranked the Koolaid and I don’t see any of those people in true power of governing…the media is not the activists, they thought they were KINGMAKERS but they are the problems and if you think Obama don’t know they are the bigger enemy to his administration, then Hillary Clinton you haven’t been paying attention to who he has surround himself with.

  49. jbstonesfan,

    Matthews is an idiot and an admitted Clinton hater as is roll-your-eyes Dick Morris rants go in one ear and out the other. I think they both were culled from the same mold of drooling creepiness. It is too be hoped that most viewers have stopped watching both of these idiots. It doesn’t say much for anyone who puts any credence into their spoutings.

  50. Ah, the money boyz behind the scenes who were the REAL backers of Obama all along (we tried to tell them that) are having a good chuckle over how the netroots got played. They were useful for GOTV, but need to run along now with their silly ideas.
    The difference between the Cheetos and myself is that I KNEW all along that I was a nobody and not important, and would need to fight the system tooth and nail. I was suspicious. I had my eyes open. The Cheetos made the mistake of buying the siren song that they were IMPORTANT to the powers-that-be, and so didn’t blink when the media etc invited them into the budoir for a little intimacy with no guarantees. No red flags went up. It was the classic “But…but…but…he said he LOVED me!”

    No, honey pie, in politics it is never that he loves you. It is a trade-off, it is entirely a “what’s in it for me” proposition, and you have to have your eyes open and drive a hard bargain. Hillary had faults, but the majority of her supporters took a pragmatic view, and hustled for and pressured for what they could get out of her. They knew it, she knew it.
    Obamatrons never did that. They never insisted on anything, never held his feet to the fire over a damned thing. Not once. They made excuses for his every betrayal.

    Next time, cheetos, don’t shout us down when we recommend discussing a pre-nup, and tell you that he’ll respect you more in the morning if you ask for the cash up front. I know it would have harshed your glass slipper buzz, but it would have been better, really.

    Instead, you are back to scrubbing the hearth, repeating to all who will listen that the coach and fine horses will be there for you any minute now, honest.

  51. “Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry and Howard Dean all dranked the Koolaid and I don’t see any of those people in true power of governing”
    The Senate leadership got thrown under the bus when Obama said to kiss and make up with “Short Ride Joe”.

  52. “Next time, cheetos, don’t shout us down when we recommend discussing a pre-nup, and tell you that he’ll respect you more in the morning if you ask for the cash up front. I know it would have harshed your glass slipper buzz, but it would have been better, really.”

    OMG! Too funny! 🙂

  53. ABM90

    Are all your four chicks, grandchicks and other lil’ peeps coming to you for the feast of Thanks, or are you going to one of them?

    Whichever…Have a wonderful reunion.

  54. For anyone looking for a good laugh, check out riverdaughter’s great post on Christopher Hitchens’ ridiculous anti-Clinton screed.

  55. emjay

    You know good friendships last, and many have been made on this blog. I think we know where our souls feel most comfortable.

  56. Hi EmJay! *waves* I’ve been lurking a lot, but busy mostly. I have to run out to the grocery store shortly to get Thanksgiving fixings.

    I’m glad Big Pink will still be around to shed light on Odrama’s many, many failures and backtracks (there will be many in the months to come.)

  57. I see that some of us still want to project this Hillary doesn’t know what she is getting into, this is all a big machiavellian trap to get her to give up her senate seat, fire her without recourse and relegate her to oblivion.

    Well, you can believe that if you want to. But the weight of the evidence suggests to me that she knows exactly what she is doing and things are going according to plan.

    First of all, this is not the campaign anymore. The proof: Clinton veterans and recommendations are getting the key appointments. Yes, this drives the bots nuts but they do not do well in the real world so we must not make too much of it.

    Second, she wanted to be Secretary of State and called his bluff to get it. Our allies registered their support through channels. He was check mated. The proof: see my previous posts.

    Third, she is calling the shots on staffing decisions. Her people are getting key positions at state. His people, e.g. Craig are being moved into other agencies. The proof: see Mrs. Smiths posting yesterday re. British Newspaper.

    Fourth, she will have direct access to Obama. She will not be going through his advisors, etc. Thus there will be no daylight between them that he and others will exploit. The proof: same article.

    Fifth, she is not someone he can fire at will. Her reputation, competence and world wide connection make that impossible. She will not give him cause. The proof: if you ever fired someone one of the first things you consider is impact on morale and how you will be perceived. If she is doing her job and he first her he is toast.

    Conclusion: Hillary is calling the shots in this area because she is good, and the people that count know this. The threats to our future are grave. There is no room for the kind of screwing around we saw in the campaign. It is a bigger chess board and there are more players.

    Caveat: if you want to worry about something, worry about how we find and disseminate the truth to enough people to counteract the evil self serving lies of big media. We need sites like this one and people like Admn now as much as before. As things go wrong big media will cover them up and we will need an oxygen supply.

  58. “Well, you can believe that if you want to. But the weight of the evidence suggests to me that she knows exactly what she is doing and things are going according to plan.”


    Amen wwoebi!

  59. I have seen too much deception form the BO camp to trust anything he or his staff do…..Hillary may very well be in “control”, but we saw how quickly that fell apart in the primaries once BO and his ninions started their dirty tricks campaign.

    “Fool me once
    Shame on you
    Fool me twice
    Shame on me.”

  60. I lost my husband 7 years ago yesterday. It seemed much harder this year, sadder and lonelier.

    I woke up this morning convinced that Hillary should get away from the incoming messiah! But I know that would be self-serving. She obviously wants to do the most that she can to help us.

    If Obama finds that he can’t appoint her, it would be the best of all worlds. She was willing and he wasn’t smart enough, but I am resigned that what will be, will be. I will just have to get over his endless repetition of “MY team, MY cabinet, MY workers, MY plans” (which he will reveal as soon as HIS team tells him what HIS plans are going to be)

  61. jbstonesfan Says:

    November 25th, 2008 at 10:07 am
    Question: what do you make of this emoulments thing? This has got to be something Craig dreamed up. (See yesterdays post).

    If memory serves this is one of the darkest, most archane, least understood, and rarely if ever utilized provisions in Constitutional Law. It is worse than the Rule Against Perpetuities which property law teachers use to terrorize innocent first year students. It is more like abandon hope all ye who enter.

    I have this distant recollection of coming to this subject in constitutional law and the professor saying something like we dont really need to worry about this, some kiss ass law student raising his hand and saying I want to know all about enoulants and the law professor telling him see me after class.

    I doubt we will be enlightened.

  62. wbboei, for the record, I never said Hillary does not know what she is getting into. My post was about my fear that Obama is not straight and that I can’t trust him. Obama is down and dirty. I don’t want to see her get hurt. She and by extension we have all been wounded in this election already. All I can say is that I don’t know what to expect from all of this SoS thing. Anyway, I am happy you seem to think everything is well and good.

  63. jbstonesfan

    You know I have always respected your opinions, but I gotta challange you on your above comment, boy-oh-boy, do I have to challange you.

    It boils down to TWO sentences:

    Hillary was not beaten by Obama and his bots, she was beaten by her own party leadership who are the ones who played dirty tricks, race cards, used MSM to spread lies and twisted versions of reality and the RBC to steal delegates from her; even then, look at the final delegate numbers before the floor roll call, and the number of popular votes. She won the primaries.

  64. pm317 Says:

    November 25th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
    pm: I did not mean you specifically. I know you would never say that. Sorry if I was unclear.

  65. hey all – this sounds like a good read that we’ll be nodding our heads in agreement with. it just might be the first ann coulter book i buy…on Drudge:

    Tue Nov 25 2008 10:52:15 ET

    Bestselling author and controversialist Ann Coulter plans to crash Obama’s inauguration party with her new work, GUILTY.

    Set for release first week of January, the book exposes and mocks, in graphic detail, the media’s love affair with all things Democrat and Obama. Coulter presents exhibits A through Z.

    “GUILTY is a much-needed reality check on a Left gone wild,” declares the book’s jacket.

    “When it comes to bullying, no one outdoes the Left. Citing case after case, ranging from the hilariously absurd to the shockingly vicious, Coulter dissects so-called victims who are invariably the oppressors. For instance: While B. Hussein Obama piously condemned attacks on candidates’ families, his media and campaign surrogates ripped open the court-sealed divorce records of his two principal opponents in his Senate race in Illinois.”


  66. Emoluments thing is a non issue. In a nutshell, Congress voted for a pay raise for the Cabinet members and now one of them (Hillary) is becoming a Cabinet member — it is like she voted for it knowing she will become a cabinet member and that is not the case and it is not the case for any Congress member who joins Obama’s cabinet. They are all mostly millionaires who don’t necessarily do this for money. So they will find a work around if she accepts it.

  67. freckles

    If you have time go back to yesterdays Big Pink…a number of us got into remembrances; of November 24th, the surrounding week and this season… all seem to be filled with people who loved us, and yesterday we loved them back, in public. Welcome to our circle.

  68. carbynew Says:
    November 25th, 2008 at 10:46 am
    After the Bitterness, Obama Appoints Team Clinton
    By Richard Cohen

    A koolaid article overall, but even the bot has to say:
    As for the economy, a third Clinton administration would probably have looked like an Obama first: Lawrence Summers doing macro, Timothy Geithner doing micro and both of them doing late night calls to Bob Rubin in New York.



  69. pm317 Says:

    November 25th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
    I think its funny, and wonder who raised the issue.

  70. I have seen too much deception form the BO camp to trust anything he or his staff do…..Hillary may very well be in “control”, but we saw how quickly that fell apart in the primaries once BO and his ninions started their dirty tricks campaign.

    “Fool me once
    Shame on you
    Fool me twice
    Shame on me.”
    yes, but this time she is setting the pre-conditions. I think there could be some areas of substantive disagreement down the road, but they would not play out as they did in the campaign. When I found myself in that position as a negotiator and could not dissuade someone higher up the food chain to abandon a ridiculous position, I would invite them in to explain it personally to the adversary. After I did that they usually came to their senses.

  71. I read over on The Confluence, that Caroline Kennedy has thrown her hat into the ring for Senator Clinton’s replacement, and BO is asking Paterson to appoint her. This really stinks, IMHO.

  72. wbboei, I think it was dailykos.. But AOL had an article on it I think.

    bird, Caroline Kennedy replacing Hillary is the ultimate insult, but I kind of guessed that is where this was going. So she can waltz in with her name and get what she wants without doing much in all of her life? A nice distinguished retirement career after you’re done with all your other nice obligations like children and stuff, so many of us have to work so much to get there.

  73. birdgal

    Have been on and off Confluence for several hours- where is the Caroline Kennedy/Paterson story? I can’t find it.

  74. This Thanksgiving Day I will devote all of my thanks to our brave and patriotic Hillary Rodham Clinton and her wonderful mother that bore her nurtured her and taught her the values that have guided her and that she has passed on to her wonderful Chelsea.
    This my friends is what we must honor.

    By AMB90 The bird we are stuck with will soon ready for the oven.Let the scrutiny begin

  75. EmJay: Second posting down, the one with Santa pooping in the chiminey. It is in the comments section. I keep getting bounced off the site, whenever I refresh.

  76. 4 more punished over ‘Joe the Plumber’ searches
    3 days ago

    COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Two more senior managers at the Ohio agency where computers were used to dig up information about “Joe the Plumber” have been suspended without pay for their roles in the searches, an official at the agency said Friday.

    Fred Williams, the Department of Job and Family Services’ assistant director, will be placed on two weeks unpaid suspension beginning Monday, spokeswoman Scarlett Bouder said in a statement. Doug Thompson, the department’s deputy director of child support, is facing a four-week unpaid suspension, also starting on Monday,

    Two other agency employees are facing disciplinary action based on conclusions reached Thursday by Ohio’s government watchdog, she said.

    The department’s director, Helen Jones-Kelley, improperly ordered staff to look up records on Samuel J. Wurzelbacher, the Toledo-area man who became a household name in the final weeks of the presidential campaign, Ohio Inspector General Thomas Charles said in a report.

    Gov. Ted Strickland immediately ordered Jones-Kelley be placed on a one-month unpaid suspension after reviewing the report’s findings.

    Charles’ report also outlines roles played by Williams and Thompson in the searches, as well as Paul Fraunholtz, the deputy director of family stability, and Judi Cicatiello, the deputy director of unemployment compensation.

    Fraunholtz and Cicatiello will receive written reprimands, and all four employees must undergo ethics training on handling confidential data, Bouder said.
    I would have gotten fired if I did that to a Obamam supporter.

  77. birdgal Says:
    November 25th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
    I read over on The Confluence, that Caroline Kennedy has thrown her hat into the ring for Senator Clinton’s replacement, and BO is asking Paterson to appoint her.

    Hillary hasn’t accepted yet, sfaik. She could make a deal with Paterson and the successor (NOT Caroline) to keep her Senate seat warm.


    INGRAHAM: Joe Wurzelbacher joins us now from Dallas. His book, “Joe the Plumber: Fighting for the American Dream,” will be released next month. That’s quick.

    Hey, Joe. How are you?

    JOE WURZELBACHER, PLUMBER: I’m doing really great, Laura. How about yourself today?

    INGRAHAM: I’m good. Now, Joe, look, the number of people who looked into your files seems to be growing. Everyday we read something, it seems, about how they were snooping on you. Were you surprised that this became something of a sport in your home state?

    WURZELBACHER: I was surprised at how many times it happened. I wasn’t quite surprised that it happened, but just as many times, and just the simple fact that it actually happened by my own state government. That kind of shocked me.

    INGRAHAM: Now, do you have legal representation that’s working with you on a possible legal action against the state, or the individual?

    WURZELBACHER: I am dealing with one group of lawyers right now, but there’s actually quite an outpour. There’s a lot of them that have reached out to me that want in on this, so to say, you know, to fight this, and you know, to get a good resolution for the American people.

    INGRAHAM: Now Joe, I had you on my radio show a few weeks back, and I said to you I know the ACLU is going to make good on its pledge to stand for all Americans’ free speech rights and civil rights and that they were going to stand with you. So has your phone been ringing off the hook?

    WURZELBACHER: No. No, I haven’t gotten a call from the ACLU. I haven’t gotten a call from Governor Strickland. I haven’t gotten a call from Helen Jones-Kelley. No one. They pretty much just want to let this go away, but I don’t intend to let that happen.

    INGRAHAM: And Joe, you were also talking about the possibility of maybe running for Congress down the line. Have you thought any more about that? You’ve got a lot of people supporting you out there.

    WURZELBACHER: No. There are a tremendous amount of people, and they talk to me and ask me about that on a regular basis. But if I do, that will be eight to ten years down the road.

    Honestly, I’m hoping I have more — hopefully, the American people will have a bigger voice through my Web site, as opposed to one person in Congress. It almost seems like it’s required to compromise your principles once you hit the Hill.

    INGRAHAM: Well, I think you should consider maybe applying for a federal bailout, Joe, because pretty much everyone’s applying now. And I think, you know, plumbers who have had their records snooped into could perhaps get in line behind Citigroup and the home builders and everyone else who’s going to be there. I’m serious. I mean, this is getting crazy out here.

    WURZELBACHER: It’s absolutely nuts. I mean, you know, I have a lot of friends in my neighborhood that work for, you know, the Big Three, and they don’t even want them — they want to keep their jobs. I don’t want to say that wrongly. But at the same time they don’t understand how, you know, they complain about how they showed up in their own, you know, jets. And it’s like, you know, they’re going out there with their hand up, but they’re going to show up in their own private jets? I mean, they’re just — they’re not really going out for the worker. They’re pretty disgruntled as well.

    INGRAHAM: And Joe, what’s the new celebrity like?

    WURZELBACHER: I — you know, just still not used to it. I mean, honestly, everything hit me about six days ago over the last four weeks, because it’s been such a whirlwind of activity.

    INGRAHAM: Yes, wild.

    WURZELBACHER: Emotions running the gamut.

    INGRAHAM: Yes.

    WURZELBACHER: So it’s been interesting.

    INGRAHAM: All right, Joe…

    WURZELBACHER: Really haven’t gotten to enjoy it too much yet.

    INGRAHAM: All right. Well, you have a happy Thanksgiving, Joe. Thanks a lot.,2933,457545,00.html
    How to win the lotto in Ohio…let the Dimocrats be in charge over your civil liberties.

    This man will be a millionaire from all the bungling of his civil liberties by Dimocrats for Obama in Ohio….geesh can it get any more stupid this this?

    All those Obamabots are going to be thrown under the bus since Joe the Plummer doesn’t seem to want to let this “go away” any time soon.

  79. They keep digging the economic hole deeper; making the ultimate crash worse. The Bush’its have been throwing money away like crazy to delay the crash and Obama is redoubling the folly.

    “U.S. Pledges Top $7.7 Trillion to Ease Frozen Credit (Update2) “…BTW, that is 1/2 of current GDP…

  80. Georgia Senate poll: Chambliss up 3posted at 8:35 am on November 25, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

    It looks like the Georgia Senate run-off may get as close as the general election — and the latest Politico poll puts the two candidates in roughly the same position. Saxby Chambliss leads Jim Martin by three, within the margin of error, the same margin that he held at the end of the general election. This time, though, Martin may not get the turnout model he needs to win:

    Republican Sen. Saxby Chambliss holds a narrow lead over Democrat Jim Martin in the Dec. 2 Georgia Senate runoff, according to a new Politico/InsiderAdvantage poll.

    The poll shows Chambliss leading Martin by three points, 50 to 47 percent, with three percent of respondents undecided. The first-term GOP senator’s lead is within the poll’s four-point margin of error. The Politico/InsiderAdvantage poll surveyed 523 likely voters on November 23.

    The poll numbers are almost identical to the general election results, when Chambliss fell just short of the 50 percent necessary to win the seat outright on Election Night. He led Martin 49.8 to 46.8 percent, with a Libertarian candidate taking three percent of the vote.

    So far in early voting, though, Martin’s getting bad news:
    But the early signs are not encouraging for Martin. During the presidential election, African-Americans composed a record 30 percent of the electorate in Georgia — about 5 points higher than in the 2004 presidential campaign. And in early voting, they totaled 35 percent of the vote.

    In the runoff, even as Democrats are vigorously encouraging supporters to vote early, only 22.7 percent of the 150,500 ballots so far have been cast by African-Americans.

    The lower turnout among African-American voters could be fatal to Martin’s hopes. The Strategic Vision poll shows massive support for Martin among black voters, 89-8. The SV turnout model relies on blacks comprising at least 25% of the vote. The fewer that Martin gets to the polls, the better for Chambliss.

    Voter enthusiasm for Martin has declined since the general election. Martin got his momentum from the massive numbers of Obama voters, most of whom appear less interested in the remaining down-ticket race. Chambliss may not have that problem, since John McCain didn’t generate an enthusiastic response from the Republican base, meaning that Chambliss’ voters will be motivated more by Chambliss himself. Republicans have the secondary motivation to deny Obama a filibuster-proof Senate by ensuring Chambliss’ re-election.

    Either way, it looks like it will go down to the wire. Republicans around the country who want to keep at least one potential check on the excesses of single-party government had better start actively supporting the Chambliss effort. You can help by contributing to Saxby Chambliss here or at the NRSC, and learning more about Martin’s record here.

  81. First of all, this is not the campaign anymore. The proof: Clinton veterans and recommendations are getting the key appointments. Yes, this drives the bots nuts but they do not do well in the real world so we must not make too much of it.
    Third, she is calling the shots on staffing decisions. Her people are getting key positions at state. His people, e.g. Craig are being moved into other agencies. The proof: see Mrs. Smiths posting yesterday re. British Newspaper.


    That’s actions, not words. Some supporting evidence, is the gradual escalation of the Clintons’ campaigning for BO; as though every time he needed help, they gave it — for some enforceable price.

  82. Caroline Kennedy should be careful what she wishes for. There will be huge comparisons between her accomplishments as a freshman senator and all the things Hillary has achieved.

    In other words, wishing don’t make it so Miss Caroline. You might actually have to do some work when you get there. 😉

  83. JanH Says:

    November 25th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
    Caroline Kennedy should be careful what she wishes for. There will be huge comparisons between her accomplishments as a freshman senator and all the things Hillary has achieved.

    In other words, wishing don’t make it so Miss Caroline. You might actually have to do some work when you get there.


    Actually, if she gets appointed to the senate seat, it will smack of favoritism and cronyism. From what I’ve read, there are representatives who are good, and have paid their dues. I seriously dislike Ted Kennedy.

  84. birdgal Says:
    November 25th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
    So Turndown, when do you think a deal was made for SOS?

    I wasn’t suggesting the deals during the campaign were that specific, except maybe big things like the Clinton 90s treasury people being in charge again (yay Summers et al).

    Hillary likes to keep her options open. She might have asked for private approval of each nomination before it would be leaked, and/or given him a list of her people and got him to agree that any or all of them would be acceptable to him, and/or demanded the final group would be heavily pro-Clinton 90s people, etc.

    That’s one thing that bothered me about the PC attacks on Summers. It gave Obama cover to bring in a UC Berkeley Bot with little or no real world experience — because at that point he could say he was looking for women to balance his admin.

    h t t p : / /
    President-elect Barack Obama will fill the last of four top economic jobs in his administration—chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers—with Christina Romer, a well-regarded economist at the University of California at Berkeley who was a supporter of his presidential candidacy.
    But when the president-elect chose men for the three other senior economic posts—Treasury secretary, White House adviser and budget director—he and his advisers began looking for a woman for the C.E.A.

    Iirc there was also a quote somewhere about them choosign a woman “for aesthetic reasons” but it’s not in the NYT story now.

  85. birdgal Says:
    November 25th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
    So Turndown, when do you think a deal was made for SOS?

    To me that smells like a last minute game of chicken gone awry. I don’t think Hillary would have asked for or accepted anything so specific months in advance. I doubt she would have expected to be interested in leaving the Senate for any cabinet appointment, except for how this played out. My wild guess is that he waved the SOS appointment as a gesture, or thinking he could send her out of the country and control her, keeping her as a scapegoat. Then a lot of support turned up for her, foreign people and Kissinger etc, and among the public.

    She’d seen the election results, seen that BO really did choose the old Clinton economic people, saw the other support — and with all that support available to draw on once in office, the SOS offer began to look attractive.

    Whatever clout she’s using now to ‘hardball’ the State Dept to her liking, if she can keep drawing on all this, then maybe she can run foreign policy and Obama will be her puppet…. And as wbboei says, she will have a world figure position (and Lord knows what she and Bill can do with THAT).

    Wbboei, why have the Clintons stayed focused on the US all this time (or have they)?

  86. Turndown

    “Wbboei, why have the Clintons stayed focused on the US all this time (or have they)?”
    I’m not wbboei, but here are a few things to keep in mind: Bill Clinton has arranged for AIDS, malaria and TB meds to be distributed at below cost in African and Southeast Asian countries, mosquito bed netting all over the world, medical clinics, micro economic set ups in 18 countries, uncounted food, flood and drought relief efforts, clean water initiatives, farming cooperatives…etc.

    Of course, flood, hurricane and tornado relief efforts in the US, with and without Bush 41 as wsll.

    Through the CGI… Clinton Global Initiative, part of the Clinton Family Foundation.

  87. Automakers’ Jobs Bank Program Pays Laid-Off Workers to Do Nothing
    If Congress goes ahead with an auto industry bailout, American taxpayers may have to pay for thousands of laid off auto workers to literally do nothing all year.

    Thousands of laid-off auto workers get paid $31 an hour to sit around and do nothing all year under a controversial program that could continue even if American taxpayers bail out the American auto industry.

    The program, called “Jobs Banks,” has been around for 24 years. Some of the employees at jobs banks choose to do community service, but others do crossword puzzles and watch TV all day — or just stare at a wall. If you’re a laid-off auto worker, it’s what comes with your pink slip, thanks to a deal struck in 1984 between the United Auto Workers and the Big Three carmakers.

    The program is likely to continue if Congress approves a $25 billion bailout of the industry. But if the automakers go bankrupt, some analysts say, they may be able to eliminate the program, which would abruptly eliminate benefits to the workers in it.

  88. Well, you can believe that if you want to. But the weight of the evidence suggests to me that she knows exactly what she is doing and things are going according to plan.

    I belive this to so true.

    The difference between the Cheetos and myself is that I KNEW all along that I was a nobody and not important, and would need to fight the system tooth and nail. I was suspicious. I had my eyes open. The Cheetos made the mistake of buying the siren song that they were IMPORTANT to the powers-that-be, and so didn’t blink when the media etc invited them into the budoir for a little intimacy with no guarantees. No red flags went up. It was the classic “But…but…but…he said he LOVED me!

    Great post LMAO

  89. I am for one quite circumspect on HRC talking SOS. nevertheless if she decided to take it – I will be quite thrilled. I want her to do what is best for her. Senate would have been safe but as reports suggest it must be extremely frustrating to have your wings clipped there. SOS – is at least a different experience for her. A new chapter. Anyone who had run for President for 2 years in a intense campaign and lost so closely [being cheated at that] cannot be content going back to what they were doing. They just can’t. So in that way SOS is a different experience. Only Hillary knows how hard she worked during the last 2 years and if she feels it is right for her – then let her take the plunge. I love her & I think she will be great in whatever she does.

  90. Happy almost Thanksgiving 44 Warriors.

    I confess I’ve been in a FOUL mood the past few weeks and, not wanting to contaminate anyone else with BODS (BO derangement syndrome) I’ve been lurking instead of spewing.
    But THIS made me laugh and I thought it might do the same for you guys.

    WBBOEI!!! You’re gonna love this! Freestyle rap; a translation.

  91. Thousands of laid-off auto workers get paid $31 an hour to sit around and do nothing all year under a controversial program that could continue even if American taxpayers bail out the American auto industry
    – —————————————————————-
    This wonderful convention is called “the rubber room”–the only place in the universe where the productivity factor is absolute zero. Their retiree benefits are also an economic black hole. There is an entitlement mentality in Detroit– on both sides of the bargaining table.

    The country cannot afford this bailout. If Hillary were in the Senate I am reasonably certain she would oppose it because she is a pragmatist and know what will do to the ecoonomy. Reid and Pelosi on the other hand will push them because they are ideologues and idiots.

    Through the miracle of Kensyian economics, one dollar in 1967 costs seven dollars today. If we keep doing these bailouts the it will get far worse. It is entirely possible that two years hence we will have a stock market at 4000, a much depreciated dollar and a sharp decline in real wealth of millions of Americans. That does not bode well for 2012 for him

    Obama’s only hope is to take on Pelosi and Reid. He needs to listen to his secretary of treasury who I belive will tell him we cannot afford it, or the precendent it will establish. But how can he do that without alienating all the constituencies who got him there.

    What fun is it to “rule” when these are the conditions that prevail? Secretary of State is a much better place to be. Those problems are solveable and the world wide audience will applaud.

  92. turndown: your assessment of the sos thing is 100% accurate. Let me dream for a moment.

    We still see the United States as the lever that can move the world. But the world no longer sees us that way. Whether the issue is financial, the dollar as the reserve currency, our educational institutions, medicine, economic activivity, the center of gravity has shifted.

    By mid century and perhaps sooner I expect to see the Europe regain its stauture and Eurasia rise to a position of dominance. I believe China will dominate the far east and Japan will eventually move to their side. China will be our main miltary competitor in the world. India will be our main ally and the counterweight against China

    The Middle East will stabilize based on the successful efforts of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to bring peace and security to that area. The demographic boom which feeds terrorism will subside as the average age rises. As the need for oil diminshes power will shift.

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will see Europe as the main counterweight to Russia, and further commercial ties will abate the military risk. Computer maker Michael Dell will be proven right that countries in the same supply chain do not make war on eachother.

    The strategic task Hillary will address as she repairs our reputation and deals with sporatic crises will be to reposition this country as one of several liberal democracies in the world. Primus inter pares–first among equals we hope.

    The international institions will grow in significance and the Clintons have tended to favor them as well. The body of international law and regulation will expandwill be done by Hillary and it will add to her resume when she becomes President of the United States which will be the final job for this remarkable once in a generation leader.

    In sum, Hillary and Bill Clinton, political geniuses and quintessential Americans have always had one eye fixed on this country and the other fixed on the world. How could it be otherwise.

  93. I don’t think Hillary is doing what is best for her. I think she is doing what is best for us.

    Enjay, that long list of help that Bill has given the world is so impressive. Of course we need to find out every human who contributed. One or two of them might not be perfect human beings and we must know that. Besides, we cant have an SOS who thinks that some of the evildoers of this world have a good side that can be reached in a negotiation or help with another problem. No, no…a thorough vetting is what is needed.

    And let’s not stop there. Let’s find out every [erson who bought a copy of Bill’s book, Giving. Then we can get a jump on anyone who might give in the future. There’s a scandal in there somewhere. Let’s destroy the global village in order to save it.

  94. freckles

    This is from Admin, and much better than my top-of-head response to you earlier:

    That Bill and Hillary need to be vetted at all is a red flag for those who suspect that untrustworthy Obama is pulling another one of his untrustworthy stunts.

    Howard Wolfson, yesterday craftily clued all in on how bogus is the “vetting” of Bill:

    “Given the media attention on this issue I thought it would be useful to set out what we know about the Clintons’ finances:

    The total amount the Clintons have made since leaving the White House, delineated by year.

    Each of the sources of that income, including all of President Clinton’s business income, and the amount.

    Speeches the President was paid to give since leaving the White House.

    How much he was paid for each speech, who paid him, and when and where he gave it.

    The amounts that the Clintons each made on their books.

    The property they own.

    The investments they own.

    The interest income they have made.

    Contents of their bank accounts.

    The liabilities they have held.

    The charitable contributions they have made through the Clinton Family Foundation.

    What we know about the Clinton Foundation:
    Revenue and assets of the Clinton Foundation.

    Stocks held and grants and allocations made by the Foundation.

    Commitments made at the Clinton Global Initiative.

    Number of children who now have access to pediatric medicines through the Clinton HIV/AIDS Initiative’s partnership with UNITAID:

    Number of Rwandan children who have modern sanitary facilities for hand-washing because of the Foundation.

    Number of countries in which the Foundation helped to secure lower priced AIDS/HIV drugs.

    Percent reduction in the price of an effective malaria drug because of the Foundation’s efforts.

    Number of people in Asia with access to safe drinking water because of the Foundation.

    Millions of tons of greenhouse gas emissions avoided or reduced because of the Clinton Climate Initiative.

    Thanks Admin, for giving us sourced ammunition.

  95. From NYT:

    Driving Mrs. Clinton’s deliberations in part, friends said, was a sense of disenchantment with the Senate, where despite her stature she remained low in the ranks of seniority that governs the body. She was particularly upset, they said, at the reception she felt she received when she returned from the campaign trail and sought a more significant leadership role in the expanding Democratic majority.

    “Her experience in the Senate with some of her colleagues has not been the easiest time for her,” said one longtime friend. “She’s still a very junior senator. She doesn’t have a committee. And she’s had some disappointing times with her colleagues.”

    In particular, the friend said, Mrs. Clinton was upset when the Senate Democratic leadership rejected the possibility of her heading a special task force with a staff and a mandate to develop legislation expanding health care coverage. The idea of giving her an existing leadership post was also dismissed because the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, did not want to force out any senators currently holding those jobs.

  96. freckles

    My little response was top-of-head. Admin has a much better response here in the article from two days ago.

    « Hillary Clinton – The Change We Need

  97. wbboei

    One good thing coming out of all this is the incestual picture of the Senate. My respect for that body has collapsed.

    My belief that she will be able to accomplish more as SoS has strengthened in the past three weeks.

  98. I agree emjay on both counts.

    I see downside in the senate and upside in the sos job.

    I know others we both respect disagree but that is my honest assessment. More important however it is apparently her assessment as well.

    In fairness, Obama is inheriting a real mess. And he doesnt have enough long boot, i.e. practical experience to step out of it. By his own admission, he is not a hands on manager.

    What that says to me is that key cabinet officers will be running the administration. Hillary’s relatonship with treasury and defense will be a strong juggernaught. Obama needs to get congress under control.

  99. wbboei said: Computer maker Michael Dell will be proven right that countries in the same supply chain do not make war on eachother.

    That was my thought in the 90s with Bill’s ‘globalization should wear a human face’ and Third Way and all that. My phrasing was “You don’t bomb good customers (or vendors).” Make bargains not war. Almost any other problems are a small acceptable side effect of something that will prevent the big countries making war on a big scale.

    So — why are Soros and his international people and their NWO a big threat? Wasn’t the term NWO used for what Clinton and Blair wanted to do in the 90s?

  100. I mentioned that I had a bad an eye infection and went to the doctor. He took a swap and sent it to the lab. It came back as a normal staff germ, gave me an antibiotic and it is better now.

    He said jokingly that it was not this drug resistant bacteria that is showing up in hospitals. He said last year it killed 20,000 people in this country, which was more than AIDS.

    We had an outbreak of this at one of our hospitals here in 1988. The local media however has jumped on the story and is acting like “a mad dog” to use his words.

    I told him I was familiar with the mad dog syndrome that besets the media in this country. They invent, they hype, they sensationalize–the one thing they never seem to do is give the public objective truth. They stink.

    I am as serious as a heart attack. We cannot rely on these people for the truth. We have got to find an alternative media. They will take this country down for the sake of ratings–if we let them do it.


    This is part of an article written by a stock broker two generations ago, and it speaks to what we are going through today.
    On April 28, 1942, in that gloomy environment, in the midst of a war we were losing, faced with
    excess-profits taxes and wage and price controls, shortages of gasoline and rubber and other crucial materials, and with the virtual certainty in the minds of everyone that once the war was over we’d face a post-war depression in that environment, the market turned around.

    What turned the market around in April of 1942?
    Simply a return to reality. Simply a slow but growing recognition that despite all the bad news, despite all the gloomy outlook, the United States was going to survive, that strongly financed, well-managed U.S. corporations were going to survive also. The reality was that those companies were far more valuable than the prices of their stocks indicated.

    So, on Wednesday, April 29, 1942, for no apparent visible reason, investors again began to recognize reality. The Dow Jones Industrial Average is not reality. Reality is not price-to-earnings ratios and technical market studies. Symbols on the tape are not the real world. In the real world, companies create wealth.
    Stock certificates don’t. Stock certificates are simply proxies for reality.

    Now I’d like to close with this:

    “Some people say they want to wait for a clearer view of the future. But when the future is again clear, the present bargains will have vanished. In fact, does anyone think that today’s prices will prevail once full confidence has been restored?”

    That comment was made 42 years ago by Dean Witter in May of 1932 — only a few weeks before the end of the worst bear market in history.
    Have courage! We have been here before — and we’ve survived and prospered.

  102. When you are running a company of any size you need a reliable information system, so you can monitor all aspects of the business. Ideally, it gives you a real time picture of what is working and what is not so you can make the necessary adjustments. When a company is failing that is one of the first things you look at. Do the key decision makers have the information at their finger tips when they need it so they can make informed business decisions.

    Big media is the information system for this society. Their historical role, but especially today is to give the people of this country accurate and reliable information when they need it. It this election, they abdicated that role and ultimately they got into the business of feeding false information, and biased opinion in an effort to achieve the result they wanted.

    That is why I say Big Media is such a terrible threat to this country. It is why we must find a news souce that will give us the truth, so we can make sound decisions in our life.


    Here’s my idea for a tiny start helping create alternavite media.

    First, support and promote ! Yes they are choir, but it’s a start and will grow the choir.

    I think an important on-going project (which we could do with dailypuma) is to collect urls of news stories (foreign and US) that are at least TRYING to be fair and accurate, and publish those at dailypuma. We need a really convenient alternative to lure people away from MSM sites. Some people avoid blogs because the blogs are heavily opinionated, and for every decent news story a blog picks up to promote, there are several other stories blogged as being bad examples.

    For people who have only a few minutes for ‘news’ and want only the cream, we need a very simple site they can go to and see the days’ simple stories.

    This would be a committment for a few people (or would need a lot of people) to supply links each day. Preferably people on the East Coast or overseas because of time zones. Or Alaska or Hawaii or some West Coast insomniacs.

    The mechanic to start with could be a blog which could be appear on dailypuma’s portal to pumablogs. This would draw readers to dailypuma.

  104. wbboei Says:
    November 26th, 2008 at 2:23 am
    turndown: you and bill clinton were right.



  105. Bill Clinton is to be in Johnstown PA today to campaign for John Murtha.A true and devoted ex Pres fighting for his party and his partner Hillary. Two very genuine Patriots that put their country before all else.America’s danger lies within,the and controlled by money from without.Yes the Media Giant has grown and become the greatest challange we face today and tomorrow.They are herding us like sheep and shaping us into a powerless group they hope to rule.Obama is their key to their success.Hillary made the right choice for her role on the worlds political stage and SOS she will surpass the acomplishments of those that have served before her. Hillary the Presidency is waiting for you and we will deliver.

    By ABM90..The sane citizens of this country and the world are
    at your back Hillary on the serious journey you are about to
    embark on in the name of patriotism and love of peace.

  106. Russia poses challenge to Obama

    Joe Biden has warned that hostile nations would quickly “test” the young new president with a “generated crisis,” and Biden seems to have been right.

    But the challenge didn’t come from the part of the world Obama spent the most of his campaign discussing, the broader Middle East. On the day after he won the election, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev offered an aggressive warning that he would respond to a planned NATO anti-missile shield by moving nuclear weapons to its western enclave of Kaliningrad. And the sword-rattling has continued: Tuesday, the Russian navy began joint exercises near Caracas with Venezuela’s military.

  107. wbboei,

    I read that NYT article a few days ago and was not impressed. Mostly because I thought some of her friends should have respected her enough to not say anything to the media. To me the article is at best speculation the likes of what we do here, a little truth mixed in with I’m not sure what. I would rather hear from Hillary herself and I doubt that will happen.

  108. To me the article is at best speculation the likes of what we do here, a little truth mixed in with I’m not sure what. I would rather hear from Hillary herself and I doubt that will happen
    Jan- I hope we are better than they are. Granted we are not paid 6 or 7 figure salaries, and we do no have the access that they do, but we are truth seekers and they are not.

    I am as uncomfortable as you are with this their pronounced editorial bias and use of unaccredited sources whose motives are never discussed.

    That assumes these informed sources even exist, for as you know we have had people like Mike Barancle at NYT who simply invented stories, and if they reflect what the editor of that newpaper wants they are not challenged internally.

    Patrick Healey comes close to that line at times in my opinion, yet he is never challenged and has gotten away with murder. He is a master of unfounded rumor, speculation and untruth. Yet he is one of their top writers.

    The question however is not their bona fides–they have none. Nor, is it the bona fides of their sources because we are not in a position to evaluate and tend to distrust by the very fact that they are talking at all.

    What we have instead is the law of probablility, dont we. And if we apply the law of probability to what has occured here is what it tells us: we do know she wanted the top position on health care and we know ted kennedy did not give it to her because he wanted it and we know harry reid is a Mormon and is unlikely to give her power when he gives claims that he will create a position for her and we know that a some of her colleagues deserted her as superdelegates and we know that she is a junior senator and seniority not competence determine power in the senate, etc.

    Those are all facts, you do not have to rely on the bona fides of a dysfunctional newspaper, or its questionable sources, you can reach that conclusion that the senate was not the place where she could make the contributions to the country and advance her career entirely on your own–at least I can.

    You can call this speculation, and to some extent is always is. But it is the best we have to go on unless as you say she comments upon it herself, which she is unlikely to do especially in the moment. Part of the game of power is to be obliques and opaque about these things so your enemies do not catch on. So we try on this site to figure it out and my sense is out batting average is double or triple NYT because they are corrupt and we are not.

  109. my sentence structue was misleading. Barnacle was at the boston globe, but Nyt had a black writer named jason something who was fired for inventing strories. Barnacle was fired too but went on to a bigger job in television as a talking head someone msnbc thought was worth listening to. My district manager for Hillary in Texas worked with Barnacle at the Globe and we talked about him.

  110. wbboei,

    It was not my intention to malign the posters here. They are some of the finest “truth finders” and political analysts that I have ever had the privilege to read (you included).

    Sorry about that.

    Happy Thanksgiving to you!

  111. Jan–one of the other things I have seen with the nyt is when they report from chicago, they are a captive of the obama campaign. I was utterly struck by the way they degraded themselves in that context. It was beyond even disgusting. The were just like Pravda or Isvestia.

  112. Jan–you did not malign anyone here. I just wanted to give you and the rest of us a compliment for the work we did here. Your points are always excellent.

  113. Turndown: I think we have to apply Allinsky rules to some of these talking heads. Personalize it, freeze it, ridicule them, take them down. I am sure they consider themselves untouchables, but if we can take them down then we can take the media source down with them.

  114. Perhaps we might couple a way to promote newscasters who at least try for the truth with a boycott of the worst of those who invent facts.

    We are more powerful than we know. In one of those newsmen scandals — the guy on early morning TV I think whose name escapes me — I sent an early morning note to the president of NBC (?) and got a call. He said he was going to suspend him and couldn’t I give him a second chance? I said: “Second?!?!?” and asked him to consider his female viewers and his NBC colleagues. One hour later, they announced his firing.

    We could certainly do non-partisan vigilance — when one steps over the line, we push back. It’s time for these over-paid media types to get up and search for the facts instead of just cribbing from everywhere and quoting the loudest mouth.

  115. I sent an early morning note to the president of NBC (?) and got a call. He said he was going to suspend him and couldn’t I give him a second chance? I said: “Second?!?!?” and asked him to consider his female viewers and his NBC colleagues
    freckles-who when what why where how? I never heard of this. Who called you –Capus? Griffin? The reason I am shocked is because when Matthews was off prozac I wrote four letters to them and one to their coporation counsel and never received so much as a reply.

  116. If Matthews runs perhaps we can form a group to take him down real hard. His own words would be enough. That would send a message. This would have to be non-partisan. If you give it to the Republicans they will just screw it up.

  117. I seriously hope Hillary NEVER appears on any MSNBC/NBC program as SOS……she should avoid them until hell freezes over. I also hope the Big Dawg does not watch the Superbowl this yr with his backstabbing ole pal Judas Richarson…..there has to be some pay back foe those who turned so treacherously on them.

  118. The best thing about Hillary taking SOS is how angry Biden and Richardson must be…lol… I’m assuming Pelosi isn’t thrilled either.

  119. Jan– re. Matthews: sounds like a job for Lorena Bobbick. But first she would have to find it.

    Re. Poospsie. Bambi will have to rein her in. The woman has no common sense. But when he does he g-forces on him will be severe.

    Re. Judas. I suspect he will be celebrating the Mexican Festival of the Dead. Breathes there a man with soul so dead who never to himself has said I betrayed the people to whom I owe my career, my reputation, everything.

  120. hmmm…I have to wonder, if Matthews does indeed run for office, how his fellow media friends will treat him. 😉

  121. h t t p : / /
    On Oct. 30 of last year, Summers made his debut as a monthly columnist for The Financial Times. The column was titled “The Global Middle Cries Out for Reassurance.” He began by noting that the world’s economy had grown faster over the previous five years than at any other point in recorded history. “Yet in many corners of the globe there is growing disillusionment,” he continued. The main reason seems to be that the benefits of growth are flowing largely to only two groups: previously impoverished residents of Asia and an international elite. Summers’s favorite statistic these days is that, since 1979, the share of pretax income going to the top 1 percent of American households has risen by 7 percentage points, to 16 percent. Over the same span, the share of income going to the bottom 80 percent has fallen by 7 percentage points. It’s as if every household in that bottom 80 percent is writing a check for $7,000 every year and sending it to the top 1 percent. This is why the usual assurances that come from people like Summers — that an open, technologically advanced global economy is inevitable and good — feel, as he himself wrote in The Financial Times, like “pretty thin gruel.”

    Dealing with this anxiety — making globalization work for the masses — has become the central economic issue of the day in Summers’s mind. And since his Harvard presidency ended a year ago, he has set out on a search for solutions. To him, it seems like a natural sequel to the policies he pushed in the 1990s.

  122. I like Biden and he and Hillary would have been my “dream team”. I hope he and Hillary work together to protect us from BO.

  123. Here is something I received several months ago which explains what Hillary was up against in the closing days of the campaign and why she suspended. It shows how corrupt big media and the Obama campaign were.

    These bush league tactics may work in a corrupt campaign environment but on a world stage they will lead to disaster. That is why the amateurs are stepping back and the professionals are taking over. The stakes could scarcely be higher.
    Basically, on Tuesday Hillary spent the day at home calling superdelegates. In doing so, she discovered that Obama supporters, Uncommitted supers and a few of her supporters had essentially made a pact with the DNC that they would not support Hillary at the convention. She was essentially told that she needed to get out of the race asap. Someone told the press that she was going to get out last night, but Hillary didn’t want to exit the race when someone
    else told her to do it (the media) and instead, decided she would exit on her own time, under her conditions. I think it was her last opportunity to actually call her own shots versus having the DNC, party officials and media do it. In fact, during the meeting today, she joked that she had realized that she wanted to be a person
    who “talked for a living”, as you always had work and the things you said didn’t even have to be true. Anyway, apparently, the idea that Obama isn’t going to be able to win the nomination came up while talking to the DNC/supers and the response she received was that Obama brought
    in a lot of new Democratic voters (and ultimately, a lot of new Democratic money) and thus, while the party might lose the election in the short term (the presidential election, that is), the long term would be good, as the party would have lots of new voters and money. The belief was that even though Obama might not be able to win the presidency, the fact that he had all these new voters” would help to ensure that the party won the congressional and senatorial seats in play in November. I asked if Hillary had read the comments posted by her supporters and was told that she did and that if she felt she could win the election (garner the superdelegate support at the convention), she would have stayed in the race. However, the DNC and supers made it very clear to her that they would not support her and that she needed to get out. The airwaves today were full of Obama supporters demonizing Hillary for not dropping out of the race last night. They went on and on about how selfish she is and how “dare she strong arm for the VP position”. I was told that she has never once asked for the VP spot AND that she hasn’t been talking to the
    Obama campaign at all about what to do next. She came to her decision on her own, but did indicate that she would use some of her delegate support to get the healthcare plan on the Obama platform. In typical Obama fashion, he allowed the media to go on and on for the last two weeks about how Hillary is staying in the race so she can be the VP. Today that rhetoric reached a ridiculous level and the hate directed at her was completely over the top. Again, no statement from Obama regarding the truth: That she had NOT asked or the VP spot. (In fact, from what I understand, Hillary has no obvious desire to be a part of the Obama campaign whatsoever. This seems good, as right now, people love her and she can exit this looking like the queen that
    she is. If she goes with Obama, then the media will say that they were right all along-that Hillary stayed in this after March because she wanted the VP spot…his supporters will also go crazy with that logic, as they have no idea that she stayed in for us and because she should have been able to win had the supers and DNC not been in Obama’s pocket.) Regardless, around 6:30, the media began reporting that Hillary would concede on Friday. Apparently, she
    hadn’t reported this to the media and they were again frustrated with the media’s attempt to strong arm her into conceding on Friday. Despite the fact that she was going to concede, she wanted it on her own terms. Thus, she decided to set a date to concede, but scheduled it for Saturday-one last opportunity to stick it to the media (we love Hillary for that). About one hour after that, Obama issued a statement admitting that Hillary did not negotiate anything before indicating she would concede. Once again, he believed it would make him look good to
    appear “gracious”, but clearly fails to realize that her supporters are not the idiots that he and his supporters think we are. It seems that today, his supporters are starting to figure out
    that they will need her supporters to win the election (though it’s too little, too late in my opinion…) and are attempting to opportunistically seize upon the moment.”

    And they wonder why I say big media is corrupt. But for the economic crisis–which I believe was orchestrated by Soros et al in terms of its timing, and the incompetence of the Republicans he never would have won. When you cannot get 10 million of your own out to vote in a critical election year there is no other word that quite describes it.

  124. Happy Thanksgiving to all my friends 24/7 that keep me informed and quite proud to be the recipient of the best advise analysis and inspiring comments that a guy of my age causes the adrenalin to flow freely and motivates me to support Hillary and I just want to be around when she becomes the SoS Beats pills and self pity.

    Thanks guys and Gals ABM90

  125. Happy thankgiving to you ABM90 and many more. Happy thanksgiving to our leader Admin and to all of you, my friends here. Happy thanksgiving to Hillary, Bill, Chelsie, Dorothy and many more. Signing off for now.

  126. basil9 Says:
    November 25th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Here’s a petition for the Supreme Court to continue the Donofrio Hearing.

    Basil, how could I refuse.

    Over 90,000 signatures, many of them from even people who are even alive!

    Don’t just sit there! Sit on your butt and click on the link and add your name. Here’s what the petition reads:


    To: Electoral College, Congress of the United States, Federal Elections Commission, U.S. Supreme Court, President of the United States, other controlling legal authorities

    Whereas, by requirement of the United States Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, no one can be sworn into office as president of the United States without being a natural born citizen;

    Whereas, there is sufficient controversy within the citizenry of the United States as to whether presidential election winner Barack Obama was actually born in Hawaii as he claims;

    Whereas, Barack Obama has refused repeated calls to release publicly his entire Hawaiian birth certificate, which would include the actual hospital that performed the delivery;

    Whereas, lawsuits filed in several states seeking only proof of the basic minimal standard of eligibility have been rebuffed;

    Whereas, Hawaii at the time of Obama’s birth allowed births that took place in foreign countries to be registered in Hawaii;

    Whereas, concerns that our government is not taking this constitutional question seriously will result in diminished confidence in our system of free and fair elections;

    We, the undersigned, assert our rights as citizens of the United States in demanding that the constitutional eligibility requirement be taken seriously and that any and all controlling legal authorities in this matter examine the complete birth certificate of Barack Obama, including the actual city and hospital of birth, and make that document available to the American people for inspection.

  127. wbboei Says:

    November 25th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
    Thousands of laid-off auto workers get paid $31 an hour to sit around and do nothing all year under a controversial program that could continue even if American taxpayers bail out the American auto industry

    Couldn’t we get them to work soup kitchens at least, or do infrastructure (hold up “Slow!” signs where there is construction)??? They’d still get union-style breaks, lots of coffee, lots of foot-shuffling.

    The way it works now, it sounds like there is someone who is getting paid $40/hr to tell the rest of the $31 people “The crossword puzzles are over there, and please, no fighting about the TV.”

  128. just popping in to wish everyone a HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!

    I have been super busy this week with no end in sight until sunday

    so I will see you all then!


  129. Axelrod has got his AP snitch beth fouhey promoting a false meme about Hillary giving up her independence. Dont believe it. Fouhey has been working for Axelrod all along, according to my sources. I believe Axelrod will be marginalized by Raul. The Chicago machine will not “rule” the government, the country or the world. Axelrod will learn that in due course–hopefully the hard way. As for Fouhey we have got her number. Signing off.

  130. wbboei Says:

    November 26th, 2008 at 11:38 am
    To me the article is at best speculation the likes of what we do here, a little truth mixed in with I’m not sure what. I would rather hear from Hillary herself and I doubt that will happen
    Jan- I hope we are better than they are. Granted we are not paid 6 or 7 figure salaries, and we do no have the access that they do, but we are truth seekers and they are not.

    I am as uncomfortable as you are with this their pronounced editorial bias and use of unaccredited sources whose motives are never discussed.

    That assumes these informed sources even exist, for as you know we have had people like Mike Barancle at NYT who simply invented stories, and if they reflect what the editor of that newpaper wants they are not challenged internally.

    Patrick Healey comes close to that line at times in my opinion

    I have started a partial boycott of my once favorite paper. All that’s left is the little gem called the crossword puzzle. The partial boycott is of the Sunday paper, which I haven’t bought since That One was installed. Who needs 14 lbs of newspaper, most of which gets recycled right away. But I continue to by the Mon – Sat., again. crossword. I’m not addicted. I just can’t live without them.

    But as for the rest of the trash… I used to read the first section religiously, but now, yeesh. Frank Rich? Maureen Dowd? Ach.

    Krugmeister is still worth the read. But it’s just going to be so much Obamalovefest, I’d prefer to get real “news” somewhere else.

    Giving up things ain’t so hard. I quit Olbermann in a heartbeat when in late 2007 it became apparent he was a paid Obama staffer who proclaimed to be an independent Voice of Reason.

  131. JanH Says:

    November 26th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
    Send Bill Clinton to the Senate:

    After after that, he’ll be the next Mayor of Hope, Arkansas. Then run a bait shop. That will complete his evolution.

  132. # wbboei Says:
    November 26th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
    Turndown: I think we have to apply Allinsky rules to some of these talking heads. Personalize it, freeze it, ridicule them, take them down. I am sure they consider themselves untouchables, but if we can take them down then we can take the media source down with them.

    I thought that was the way Alinsky would get a particular official to give them a particular thing — such as loans to unqualified buyers — and then more and more particular things in future. If they actually got the official removed, next time they wanted something they’d have to start over with a new official. Once the first target has caved, they’ll leave him in place to cave again and again. That’s how blackmail works; you don’t ‘take down’ your victim once and for all.

    I don’t see how bringing down a particular newscaster would stop the network hiring another as bad or worse. (And the publicity for that individual, which might be bad for a government official, is just more publicity/ratings for a newscaster.) There’s an endless supply of those ‘newscasters’.

    *see my Alinsky ‘diary’ at

  133. Axelrod spoke quite highly of Hillary the other day on Wallace’s show even though Wallace(who had his plate handed to him by Bill) tried to stir up the anti-Clinton rhetoric. Fox News is back to their Clinton hating almost as much as MSNBC. That “pimp” Shuster is back on the air as well….vomit!!!!

  134. # rgb44hrc Says:
    November 26th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    JanH Says:

    November 26th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
    Send Bill Clinton to the Senate:

    After after that, he’ll be the next Mayor of Hope, Arkansas. Then run a bait shop. That will complete his evolution.


    Heh, it would be fun to watch Bill take on the Senate. However I’m sure Hillary has other friends she can trust to keep her seat warm, and Bill has better things to do.

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