Disgusting And Extreme: NutKooks And Big Media Post-Election

In short, post-election we are getting Big Media futile confessions and NutKooks carping.

The latest, and surely not last, Big Media confession of pro-B.O. bias comes from Mark Halperin of Time Magazine:

Media bias was more intense in the 2008 election than in any other national campaign in recent history, Time magazine’s Mark Halperin said Friday at the Politico/USC conference on the 2008 election.

“It’s the most disgusting failure of people in our business since the Iraq war,” Halperin said at a panel of media analysts. “It was extreme bias, extreme pro-Obama coverage.”

During the two years of the primary and general election Mark Halperin said close to nothing about Big Media pro-Obama bias that now, post-election, Halperin rightly and hypocritically denounces as “EXTREME” bias and a “DISGUSTING” failure.

Those of us who denounced the extreme and disgusting Big Media bias during the primary and the general election were not only ignored we are still mocked as somehow delusional. We were and still are correct. The Hopium addicts will live to regret their alliance with corrupt Big Media. Big Media power elected its stooge Barack Obama.

Mark Halperin has a position of great influence in the Big Media world. Yet Mark Halperin stood by silently as Big Media bias was disgusting and extreme.

Halperin continues:

Halperin, who maintains Time’s political site “The Page,” cited two New York Times articles as examples of the divergent coverage of the two candidates.

“The example that I use, at the end of the campaign, was the two profiles that The New York Times ran of the potential first ladies,” Halperin said. “The story about Cindy McCain was vicious. It looked for every negative thing they could find about her and it case her in an extraordinarily negative light. It didn’t talk about her work, for instance, as a mother for her children, and they cherry-picked every negative thing that’s ever been written about her.”

The story about Michelle Obama, by contrast, was “like a front-page endorsement of what a great person Michelle Obama is,” according to Halperin.

Excuses that Obama was “new” and more interesting (and black) are not a credible excuse. Usually a “new” political figure gets the “not experienced” vetting which is deserved. With Obama, Big Media did not vet. Big Media protected Obama and savaged Hillary Clinton. Big Media is still savaging Hillary Clinton. Benign Big Media excuses for the pro-Obama bias do not comport with the facts.

Halperin’s “disgusting” and “extreme” comments were met with little resistance by other Big Media figures. “I think it’s incumbent upon people in our business to make sure that we’re being fair,” he said. “The daily output was the most disparate of any campaign I’ve ever covered, by far.”

Big Media never vetted Obama and still continues to protect and deify Obama.

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Big Blogs, which advertised themselves as balance against Big Media bias have instead become part of the problem. The nutroots kook sites became soiled unpaid prostitutes for the Obama campaign. The nutroots kook sites (and yes that now includes Josh Marshall’s TPM and Arriana’s Huff n’ Puff) walked the streets for their Obama but like aged street walkers the pimp is no longer interested in them.

“With its congressional majority, the Democratic Party has refused to seriously try to end the war, to stop the bailout and to stop the trampling of civil liberties, just to name a few off the top of my head,” wrote David Sirota on the popular liberal blog OpenLeft, decrying the serial betrayals of Obama and the congressional Democratic majority. The Democratic Party, he wrote, has “faced no real retribution” for its manifold heresies, something that Sirota believes he and his band of angry bloggers must change. “We better understand why this happened,” he fumed.

Allow me to provide an answer. You don’t matter.

Sirota and his ilk are irrelevant fools. Big Pink has more respect and influence at the Obama campaign than these boobs.

The nutroots nutkooks are learning their idol is a Backstabber.

That the Netroots – the fabled bloggers who, in 2004, carried Howard Dean from being an unknown governor of a small state to a Democratic presidential front-runner – are not the potent political force that the media portrays was confirmed this past week when Senate Democrats resisted their “demand” that Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman be punished for endorsing John McCain for President (Lieberman was reelected as an independent in 2006 and caucuses with the Democrats). Ever since Nov. 4, when Democrats increased their majority beyond the point that Lieberman’s allegiance was necessary for them to maintain control over the Senate, punishing Lieberman has been the primary goal of liberal bloggers. For weeks, they pounded their keyboards, huffed and puffed on their Internet radio shows and called on their readers to flood the offices of Democratic senators with phone calls and e-mails demanding that Lieberman be stripped of his chairmanship over the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. Yet on Tuesday, Democrats voted an overwhelming 42-to-13 to let Lieberman keep that chairmanship.

“He wasn’t sanctioned,” seethed Markos Moulitsas, founder of the Daily Kos. “And Senate Democrats trying to make that claim are dishonestly trying to cover up the extent of their betrayal of the American people’s vote for change.”

We do not pity these loser Big Blogs. Big Blogs have sold their souls and whatever credibility they once had in order to walk the streets and now the pimp is dumping them. The Backstabber is stabbing Big Blog backs.

Given the intensity of blogger rage over Lieberman, one can understand how their defeat at the ends of their own party would lend itself to hyperbole, but when did the “American people” appoint Markos Moulitsas their spokesman? And while there are many ways to interpret the outcome of this year’s presidential and congressional elections, that voters across the country wanted Joe Lieberman to be stripped of his committee chairmanship is not one of them. [snip]

Most Americans probably recognize Lieberman as the guy who ran with Al Gore in 2000. But to the Netroots, Lieberman is an obsession, an individual who inspires mania. He is the worst thing possible: not only someone who disagrees with them about foreign policy, but a liberal who disagrees with them on foreign policy.

“No matter what Joe Lieberman does,” wrote Jane Hamsher, proprietor of the popular liberal blog Firedoglake, “the people who are protecting him hate you much more than they hate him.” The Netroots are all about hate; its denizens are incapable of seeing shades of gray. (And Ms. Hamsher knows a thing or two about hate, having doctored a photo of Joe Lieberman in blackface during his primary battle against Netroots favorite Ned Lamont two years ago.)

We happen to agree with Jane Hamsher when she states “the people who are protecting him hate you much more than they hate him.” What Hamsher and Big Blogs ignore, which we do not ignore, is that it is Obama who protected Lieberman. And we do think Barack Obama hates Big Blogs much more than he hates Joe Lieberman.

Lieberman lucked out. In any other election cycle, he’d be doomed. It wasn’t so much that the former Democratic and now independent senator from Connecticut supported John McCain. That was forgivable. But blasting Barack Obama at the Republican convention was crossing a bridge too far, a bridge to nowhere. Right after the election, it looked like good ole Joe would be getting his pink slip as chairman of the Senate homeland-security committee. But word went out from Chicago that the president-elect was not interested in recriminations, and the lions laid down with the lambs, and Sen. Joe Lieberman was once again back in the good graces of his fellow Democrats.

Obama has the same level of respect for Big Blogs (like Arriana) that supported him that a pimp exhibits towards dried up street walkers.

The Big Blogs, the nutroots, have been and continue to be a disaster with disasterous effect. The sexism and misogyny of Big Blogs along with extreme and disgusting Big Media pro-Obama bias has helped elect the inexperienced and unqualified Barack Obama.

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114 thoughts on “Disgusting And Extreme: NutKooks And Big Media Post-Election

  1. I agree, but I’m hoping he loves this country and will protect it as much as he protect himself.

    Regarding our liberal nutroot kooks and big blog friends, payback is a mutha…they were warned so why are they crying. These are the same people who threw women under the bus for their arrogance in idolmaking.

    Remember, it was our own friends who stuck the knife the deepest.

  2. Carbynew, when we started this website we wrote that right-wing websites and news outlets would not be the problem. You have stated less elegantly, but with more accuracy, what we wrote at the time. And you are right: “it was our own friends who stuck the knife the deepest.”

  3. Lieberman vows to move forward
    By Kevin Bogardus
    Posted: 11/23/08 12:39 PM [ET]
    Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) pledged to move forward and work with President-elect Barack Obama after campaigning for his Republican rival John McCain in the race for the White House this year.

    Lieberman, appearing on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” credited Obama with keeping his spot in the Democratic caucus.

    “This began with the president-elect,” said Lieberman. “The president-elect is looking forward, he knows the challenges he has ahead of [him].”

    Lieberman said Obama wanted to keep the Democratic Party united as he faces the continuing downward spiral of the economy. The senator praised the Illinois Democrat for his approach to politics after winning the White House.

    “Barack Obama has set the exactly right tone since election night,” Lieberman said.

    After the election, the Connecticut senator faced retribution from Democrats because of his vocal support of Sen. McCain (Ariz.).

    Many pushed to punish Lieberman, seeking to remove him from his prominent chairmanship of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. In turn, Lieberman threatened to leave the Democratic caucus and add another vote to the Republican minority in the Senate.

    But at a caucus meeting last week, Democrats voted to allow Lieberman to keep his chairmanship, instead stripping him of his seat on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee.
    Asked if he regretted making some of his statements on the campaign trail, Lieberman stated: “I wish I didn’t say some of the things I have said.”

    Lieberman also argued that he thought he “spoke respectfully of Barack Obama” during his speech at the Republican National Convention. He added that he disagreed with comments by Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the GOP vice presidential candidate, that Obama was “palling around” with terrorists and the mocking of community organizers by former New York City Rudy Giuliani (R).

    Lieberman said the failing economy requires both parties to come together and avoid divisive partisanship in order to find solutions for the American public. He urged Obama and President Bush to work together to come up with a stimulus package in the short term.

    “The public is sick of partisanship. They really want us to put our country first,” he said, echoing McCain’s campaign slogan.
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    Self serving at it’s finest. Begging on his knees and yes I watched the Republican convention and your smug self was right inside there talking smack.

    And yes, Obama has “been paling around with terrorists.” What happen to resigning for the good of the party?

  4. Brilliant Admin. I will have more to say.

    Lieberman is a pathetic character. In Dantes Inferno he is one rung above Richardson, who is floating in a burning sea.

  5. wbboei Says:
    November 23rd, 2008 at 3:15 am

    I’ll eat no crow before its time … or before it’s hatched
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    turndown: what was that comment by Truman in 48–wanting no one to eat crow and everyone to eat turkey. We are all just rolling with the punches these days. If Hillary is not the nominee in 2012 I am through with politics.
    &&&&&&&&

    Granted, “anything can happen”. But I think Obama is a shoo in for the Dem primary no matter how terrible he is. Hillary will almost certainly have to wait until 2016, and by age 68, she may not want all that trouble. But with her, who knows.

    She’ll be more energetic and tougher and smarter than Obama is right now.

    But 2012 is where we’ll have to wait until the GE to see Obama kicked out of orifice, but a Repub. Maybe Sarah.

  6. Media bias was more intense in the 2008 election than in any other national campaign in recent history, Time magazine’s Mark Halperin said Friday at the Politico/USC conference on the 2008 election.
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    Why does he waste his breath? Who does he think he is kidding? There is no separating himself or Big Media from what occurred here. They are all in pare delicto–equally guilty.

    The worst big media failure since Iraq? Which was the worst big media failure since the election of Bush over Gore. Which was the worst big media failure which preceded the one that preceded that. Who does he think he is kidding?

    This FAILURE is who they are. It is what they are all about. It is why we should never listen to them again–ever. They are propandaits not truth tellers. They are the enemies of the American People. How could it be clearer.

    If you went to a doctor and his misdiagonosed your problem every time, would you go back to him? If you went to a lawyer and he mishandled every case would you return? Would you?

    If not then why in the world would anyone wiht any horse sense listen to these lying fools. What do they really expect to learn from them. And now they say they are sorry.

    Its like that Kingston Trio song about the punk who shoots a deputy down, gets chased down, captured and sentenced to 99 years on the hard rock pile (it could have been life) and he says “this has sure been a lesson to me”.

    So fuck Mark Halprin and the horse he rode in on. I am sure it would be asking too much for him to vet Obama from this day forward. No, I didnt think so.

  7. RGB: 2016 is impossible. 2012 is possible. I think Obama will implode. If he does, he is no shoe in. My assumption is that we will be going through hard times, he will screw up and the American People will feel the pain. We live in a real time world, patience runs short, and feeling of betrayal run deep. Watch the two issues I talked about yesterday and see how they unfold. They will determine as much as anything else whether he survives–barring the unforeseen. Assuming he does not Hillary is still not a shoe in. The powers that be want a puppet. I will say it again, they want a puppet. As Woodward said-they cannot control Hillary because she will do what is right for the American People. That is perhaps the biggest obstacle of all. But it is also why we lve her and trust her.

  8. wbboei siad: My understanding is that this sos thing was a last minute deal, and Hillary did it through judo.

    Bambis campaign people wanted to promote the meme that he is a uniter not a divider, so they floated this sos thing to get brownie points never dreaming she would accept.

    Well, Hillary called their bluff. This was not at all what Bambi wanted. People inside Obamas campaign have been called on the carpet over this “miscalculation”.
    ===============

    Heh heh.

    That’s how it looks to me. BO’s camp floated SOS, the media and foreign leaders and the stock market took it up, and with that support (and more of the Clnton Restoration in place) it began to look attractive to Hillary.

    A UK paper says she is already kicking ass hardball in Obama’s state dept….

    As for why HIllary campaigned for him in the first place, look at how slowly it escalated. Maybe the Clintons were playing Obama, letting him see how far he could go on his own several times, till each time he privately asked for help and promised them anohter pound of flesh. Which they are now collecting in the form of old Clntonistas in power posts (yay Summers!).

    I just doubt that Hillary for SOS was one of the promises. I agree with you it was a last minute thing.

  9. RGB: if the stock market is hovering at 2500 18 months from now, how will st obama be perceived? That is just one of the wild cards here. In normal times I would agree with you but these are not normal times.

    Trundown: we live in a youth oriented culture. Big Media promotes it. The world looks different at 69 than it does at 65. Its the same reason corporations dont hire people over 50. It is wrong but it is the way it is. I just dont see that changing. Besides, who knows where any of us will be 8 years from now.

  10. As the economic team firms up, I notice Big Mouth Goolsby is not on the A or B team…Too clever by half in trying to look important to the Canadian envoy, causing him to shoot himself in the foot and almost give his boss, BO, a Cheany-shot-in-the-face wound.

    Could not have happened to a more deserving academic jerk.

    Hope our girl negociates w/ her new best friend, BO, for the same treatment toward Power & Rice.

  11. That’s how it looks to me. BO’s camp floated SOS, the media and foreign leaders and the stock market took it up, and with that support (and more of the Clnton Restoration in place) it began to look attractive to Hillary.
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    turndown: correct. I believe Bambis plan had been to bottle her up in the senate. He never intended to give her a world stage.

  12. Yes, the story of Hillary dispatching Obama operatives from his gang of thugs has gotten absolutely NO PLAY in the newscycle.

    You can read it here at one of the only blogs not going with the “poor” Hillary fussy routine which seems to be the norm at most other blogs. Our Hillary is kicking *SS and taking NO prisoners with Obama’s Cabinet pics! hee!

    Pumas Unleashed

  13. wbboei..

    Our news media is shutting out all of Hillary’s positives. Read the link I posted commenting on her DEMANDS to Obama before consideration of the SOS post.

  14. Hi Hillfriends…

    I cannot help but wonder how Pelosi and McCaskill and that idiot Rep Jan Shavorsky (sp) are thinking and feeling now that their ‘One’ has seen fit to give as Chris Matthews reluctantly must admire ” the crown jewel ” of the Administration…Secretary of State to Hillary…

    remember how ‘coy’ Pelosi was about Hill and VP and how nasty Claire and Jan were…Jan S of “how dare she, how dare she! when she spoke in loud indignation towards Hillary…

    ha!

  15. Mrs. Smith Says:
    November 23rd, 2008 at 4:07 pm
    wbboei..

    Our news media is shutting out all of Hillary’s positives. Read the link I posted commenting on her DEMANDS to Obama before consideration of the SOS post.
    ===============

    Well, if Obama wanted to withdraw the SOS offer, this would give him an out (which the media would love).

  16. Admin and Carbynew…our Hill and us must remain vigilant because ‘those friends who stuck the knife in the deepest’ are still there…ready to plunge it in again…

    there are so many that would seek to set her up to fail…the media can never be trusted when it comes to reporting on hill and bill….never, ever….never…

    and those mid level hill critics will always be angling for a way to be rid of her…but I have supreme confidence in Hillary and her extraordinary ability to be a fantastic SOS at this crucial time…as far as I am concerned, Hill is back on the path to restoring the USA to where Bill left off…peace and prosperity and repairing our country’s prestige and reputation and getting it back where it was where Bill left it…

    my focus…peace prize for Hill and her own distinct mark in History thru all her good works….

  17. MSM having a ball in their admiration of the wise picks he has made for Clinton people to be in his administration.They call them great advisers.In fact they are tutors.Tough job ahead for them trying to teach anything to a person that really knows nothing.Watch his eyes as coronation day approaches he is driving with his dimmers on.Deer in the headlights syndrome setting in.Hillary don,t give him your home phone number until late day Jan 20 2009.

    By ABM90

  18. wbb……….

    I was not correcting your whole premise about Warren and the court. You were quite right. Earl turned out to be the perfect comination of an honest man and an exec used to finding consensus. I was only pointing out that Ike offered him the VP for his CA delegates (he was running as a favorite son). He could have had anything he wanted which troubled him.

    Evidently, most politicians nowadays have no trouble trading their support for their own promotion.
    That is the reason I didn’t want Lieberman punished.
    Somebody should be able to say No if they believe that the nominee is too flawed. We might have been spared Nixon.

    Warren was a law and order guy but, I believe, changed by the Japanese internment thing. At any rate, personally he had complete integrity. (See my account of Warren refusing to speak to the founder of the Bank of America) Ike didn’t recognize the kind of man Earl was, just like Nixon didn’t understand Margaret Chase Smith. They always think that everyone has a price. Sometimes that’s a big mistake.

    Except lately.

  19. When she’s SoS, the American public will be able to see for the first time how talented and competent Hillary really is. She’s a phenomenal senator, but all the stuff she’s done there has gone on under the radar because she has no leadership position or seniority.

    BTW, I have to say all the Clinton-hating in the MSM just makes me laugh now because it’s so pathetic. Hillary will be superb, and they’ll never give her credit, of course, but I don’t care – and neither does she.

  20. Freckles: your insights on Warren are much more valuable than mine. I am impressed with the fact that you knew Warren and lived through that era. Whatever I know about it is based on what I read which is why it is so gratifying to get a first hand account like yours.

    I would imagine the Japanese internment bothered him alot. But there was another incident that I know troubled him deeply. Some heinous crime had been committed and he approved a drag net operation based on what we would today call racial profiling. That haunted him, and I believe he mentioned it in one of the civil rights cases he wrote in the criminal justice area.

    In the area of coerced confessions, the very problems re. their inherent unreliability were discussed by length in one of his cases–either Miranda or Escobedo I cannot recall. Those same arguments have been raised in the context of waterboarding. Times change but human nature does not.

  21. The Herald Tribune (which is the NYT worldwide edition) says all’s apparently well. Who knows.
    But Hill gets her own staff and is, according to this, happy (today’s NYT made a point of how Hill was displeased with her senate colleagues upon coming off the trail.
    Who knows, but if at this point if she’s happy, I’m happy.

    WASHINGTON: The thaw in the resentful relationship between the most powerful woman in the Democratic Party and her younger male rival began at the party’s convention this summer, when Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton gave such a passionate speech supporting Senator Barack Obama that his top aides leapt out of their chairs backstage to give her a standing ovation as she swept past.

    Obama, who was in the first steps of what would become a strategic courtship, called afterward to thank her. By then, close aides to Clinton said, she had come to respect the campaign Obama had run against her. At the least, she knew he understood like no one else the brutal strains of their epic primary battle.

    By this past Thursday, when Obama reassured Clinton that she would have direct access to him and could select her own staff as secretary of state, the wooing was complete.

    “She feels like she’s been treated very well in the way she’s been asked,” said a close associate of Clinton, who like others interviewed asked for anonymity because the nomination will not be formally announced until after Thanksgiving.

  22. When she’s SoS, the American public will be able to see for the first time how talented and competent Hillary really is. She’s a phenomenal senator, but all the stuff she’s done there has gone on under the radar because she has no leadership position or seniority
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    Paula: yes, and the best thing about it is the corrupt Washington press corps will not be able to censor it. It will be on the world stage and the foreign press will have the first and last say. I might add that some of the newspapers I despise like Washpo do have world class foreign journalists like Dana Priest. You just dont hear from them often–or often enough.

    The world knows a thorough bred, whereas the washington and new york press corp have never been to the track.

  23. if at this point if she’s happy, I’m happy.
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    Well said blue. And if she is happy the world should be happy too because on foreign policy notwithstanding the risks and the dark days ahead there will be light at the end of the tunnel.

  24. Leaped to their feet–strategic courtship–these so called newspeople should be writing highschool plays. Their lines and plot are ridiculous.

    The nyt notion that she is displeased with colleagues in the senate is a no brainer. Who wouldn’t be?

    If they pay these writers anything more than minimum wage they are wasting their money.

  25. Whatever happened to Linda Douglas. Will she be his press secretary? She and her husband were angling for this when I was canvassing in Pennsylvania. I lost all respect for both of them.

  26. MSM having a ball in their admiration of the wise picks he has made for Clinton people to be in his administration.
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    ABM 90: they are relieved that somebody is covering their bet.

  27. I would like to be Rip Van Winkle, take a nice long nap and wake up at the beginning of Act 3–when reality sets in and the fun begins.

  28. “She feels like she’s been treated very well in the way she’s been asked,” said a close associate of Clinton,
    ————————————–
    Does the Obama campaign write these stories and simply give them to the newspaper. Who is this close associate, and how does he or she know how Hillary feels. This kind of journalism is simply propaganda.

  29. wbboei,

    I honestly don’t know any insiders, so I also don’t know if this was a last minute deal or not. I really hope it wasn’t. I’m so tired of the hate and sabotage going on.

    That being said, do you think if she does indeed become SOS, that the media will continue to try to sabotage her every move? Or will she come under Obama’s umbrella thereby suddenly becoming a media darling?

  30. I cannot help but wonder how Pelosi and McCaskill and that idiot Rep Jan Shavorsky (sp) are thinking and feeling now that their ‘One’ has seen fit to give as Chris Matthews reluctantly must admire ” the crown jewel ” of the Administration…Secretary of State to Hillary…
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    They are dumbfounded. Which is hardly surprising since they are dumb to begin with.

  31. # wbboei Says:
    November 23rd, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    Whatever happened to Linda Douglas. Will she be his press secretary? She and her husband were angling for this when I was canvassing in Pennsylvania. I lost all respect for both of them.
    ****************
    She is under the bus…Robert Gibbs was named press sec. on Friday.

  32. That being said, do you think if she does indeed become SOS, that the media will continue to try to sabotage her every move? Or will she come under Obama’s umbrella thereby suddenly becoming a media darling?
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    I know I will get some pushback from smarter people than me on this site, but in my opinion the detructive theme big media has been promoting against Hillary will no longer work when she steps on the world stage as our representative to the world. Simply put, they can’t sell tickets to that movie any longer. She will take steps to ensure that there is no daylight between her positon and his, and that he doe not switch positions on her, which is his stock and trade. And then she will get down to the business of solving foreign problems, dealing with crisis situations and restoring our reputation. The international press will tell the truth about her and the washington press corps will have to find someone else to peddle their gossip and lies about. I am not promising a rose garden–only a material change for the better.

  33. She is under the bus…Robert Gibbs was named press sec. on Friday.
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    SHV: good.

  34. wbboei,

    One last question…

    Do you think the decision to offer Hillary the SOS position was meant to heal not just the rift between them but also as a peace offering to those of us who became so bitter and disenchanted about the DNC and Obama in particular? And if so, will it work?

  35. JanH Says:
    Do you think the decision to offer Hillary the SOS position was meant to heal not just the rift between them but also as a peace offering to those of us who became so bitter and disenchanted about the DNC and Obama in particular? And if so, will it work?

    ===========

    Well, we’ve got the same kind of divide as with VP. Some like the idea, others think it would be losing her independence and ironing his shirt.
    The latter was my thought till I learned that H was seriously considering taking SOS; it certainly has more power and independence than VP, and she is not under the same pressure to take it as she was with VP.

    SOS is beginning to look better than it did, because of the support it’s getting, and BO’s ACTIONS of naming a good cabinet full of Clintonistas (yay you know who). Looks like she can and will make something of the job if she takes it, and take the lead and make BO do what she wants. 🙂

  36. Do you think the decision to offer Hillary the SOS position was meant to heal not just the rift between them but also as a peace offering to those of us who became so bitter and disenchanted about the DNC and Obama in particular? And if so, will it work?

    Jan-I have told you what I think happened. If I am right then the answer to your question has to be no. These people are cannibals. They are not about peace offerings.

  37. I know I will get some pushback from smarter people than me on this site, but in my opinion the detructive theme big media has been promoting against Hillary will no longer work when she steps on the world stage as our representative to the world. Simply put, they can’t sell tickets to that movie any longer. She will take steps to ensure that there is no daylight between her positon and his, and that he doe not switch positions on her, which is his stock and trade. And then she will get down to the business of solving foreign problems, dealing with crisis situations and restoring our reputation. The international press will tell the truth about her and the washington press corps will have to find someone else to peddle their gossip and lies about. I am not promising a rose garden–only a material change for the better.

    I agree.

  38. wbboei,

    I did read what you wrote. I just wondered if it might have be a little of both.

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    turndown,

    Thanks for your analysis.

  39. not necessarily, wbboei. During the election it was “fight to the death.” I’m sure the Obama camp felt they could either win without her die-hard fans or could win enough of them over to make a difference.

    I just wonder if it was all black or white…whether their was more to her campaigning for him than meets the eye. I guess I won’t know the answer to that and other questions I have until she writes her memoirs…and maybe not even then.

  40. not necessarily, wbboei. During the election it was “fight to the death.” I’m sure the Obama camp felt they could either win without her die-hard fans or could win enough of them over to make a difference
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    Jan-this is the chicago political machine we are talking about here. That is who Axelrod is. It is where bambi came from. It is that black and white. This is the most corrupt political machine in the country. They dont need us now. If they needed us at all it was prior to the election. Oh sure they will dress it up or as he so gallantly stated put lip stick on it, but it is what it is. And now they have global money behind them.

  41. LOL…wbboei…I totally agree about the Chicago political machine. A part of me just hopes that not is all lost because that is the only way I can reconcile myself with all the bad and evil that has taken place. I am most likely fooling myself, but there you go. 😉

  42. wbb………

    In the interest of full disclosure, the “first person” was my husband, who was just a lad when he talked Warren into asking for the court appt.

    I’ve always found it fascinating how so many big things hinged on little things.

  43. HURRY!!!! TIME TO POP THAT POPCORN, GET A COMFY SEAT AND ENJOY THE FIREWORKS!!!
    Those bots will all be imploding and exploding FIRST THING MONDAY MORNING!…….NO ONE CAN SAY THAT BIG PINK DIDN’T TRY TO WARN THEM!!

    Axelrod: Obama may delay tax rollback for the wealthy
    David Edwards and Andrew McLemore
    Published: Sunday November 23, 2008

    President-elect Barack Obama may delay the rollback of high-income tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, two of his aides said Sunday.

    The tax cuts were instated by President Bush and discontinuing them was a key promise of Obama’s campaign for the presidency.

    Obama’s political strategist David Axelrod was asked by Fox News’s Chris Wallace if the measure could be allowed to expire on schedule after 2010 and avoid an immediate repeal.

    “Those considerations will be made,” said Axelrod, who has been selected as Obama’s senior White House adviser.

    Bill Daley, an adviser to Obama and commerce secretary under former President Bill Clinton, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” ,b>that the 2010 scenario “looks more likely than not,” Reuters reported.

    The change in policy may suggest that Obama is wary of imposing more taxes during a financial crisis or that he is looking to boost Republican support for his recovery measures.

    Axelrod reflected the importance Obama has placed on another stimulus package.

    “The main thing right now is to get this economic recovery package on the road, to get money in the pockets of the middle class, to get these projects going, to get America working again, and that’s where we’re going to be focused in January,” Axelrod said.

    [ video’s of the conversations with in this article are posted with this article at the link below. ]

    rawstory.com/news/2008/Axelrod_Obama_may_delay_tax_rollback_1123.html

  44. Hi everyone! Can Bill Clinton get Hillary’s Senate seat? He could raise some he** from there, be a real thorn in Obambi’s side!

  45. Source: Obama considering former Clinton aide Steinberg for Deputy Secretary of State
    RAW STORY
    Published: Sunday November 23, 2008

    rawstory.com/news/2008/Sources_Obama_considers_Jim_Steinberg_for_1123.html

  46. I’ve always found it fascinating how so many big things hinged on little things
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    for want of a nail
    or in this case because the nail was there–a kingdom was gained
    the edifice of law the warren court built was a great thing
    years ago I was subpoenaed to appear before an organized crime strike force grand jury which was investigating mafia acivitiy at JFK airport
    I was not a target per se but it is still an experience best avoided
    if you ever find yourself in such a situation, you can be glad that earl warren made the decision he did, thanks in part to your husband.
    what a remarkable young man he must have been.

  47. I am keeping a log of ‘changes’ made and promises kept.

    So far, the grand total, including the proposed as well as the done, is approximately or nearly or in the area of or close to or approaching…zero.

    Did I miss one?

  48. Axelrod: I won’t be another Karl Rove
    David Edwards and Andrew McLemore
    Published: Sunday November 23, 2008

    David Axelrod may be taking Karl Rove’s old job, but he isn’t interested in taking the same approach, he told Fox’ Chris Wallace on Sunday.

    Wallace asked Axelrod if he was going to be the “Karl Rove of this administration.”

    Axelrod responded: “I’ve never accepted that comparison,” Axelrod told Chris Wallace on ‘Fox News Sunday.’ “My role with Barack Obama for the last six years has been to help the communications operation impart his message, his values and his vision to the American people. And I expect to continue to do that.

    rawstory.com/news/2008/Axelrod_I_wont_be_another_Karl_1123.html

    Yeah right!! and I got a nice piece of money making swamp land to sell you!……Axelgrease he has been obama’s mind and mouth and will continue to do so just like Rove did for bush…does he really think we will believe other wise?

  49. I predict that Axelrod’s bias as well as his “take no prisoners” attitude has created a long list of enemies for him. The guy’s ego is fat enough that he is going to step in it over and over again and become a huge embarassment.

  50. Source: Obama considering former Clinton aide Steinberg for Deputy Secretary of State
    RAW STORY
    Published: Sunday November 23, 2008

    rawstory.com/news/2008/Sources_Obama_considers_Jim_Steinberg_for_1123.html
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    I assume this was her recommendation and he will report to her. Thinking back on the Republican side they had people like Eagleburger.

  51. I predict that Axelrod’s bias as well as his “take no prisoners” attitude has created a long list of enemies for him. The guy’s ego is fat enough that he is going to step in it over and over again and become a huge embarassment
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    Let us hope his enemies are proactive.

  52. POOR BAMBI…….REV. WRIGHT JUST WON’T GO AWAY LOL!!!

    Obama skips church, heads to gym

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15902.html

    Obama selects more staff
    Ellen Moran, executive director of EMILY’s List, was named White House communications director by
    President-elect Obama on Saturday.

    Moran, a well-known grassroots organizer, has also managed statewide Democratic campaigns and managed the Wal-Mart corporate accountability campaign for the AFL-CIO.

    EMILY’s List, one of the most important Democratic constituency groups, says it is “dedicated to building a progressive America by electing Democratic pro-choice women to office.”

    As expected, the White House press secretary will be Robert Gibbs, a top strategist on Obama’s campaign who helped chart his leap from the U.S. Senate to the presidency.

    Dan Pfeiffer, the campaign communications director, will be deputy director of communications.

    The transition released these biographies….

    READ THEM HERE: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15886.html

    Michelle Obama’s new role prompts passionate debate

    WASHINGTON: It was tough-love talk from one high-profile professional mother to another, only this hard-hitting counsel did not come in a phone call or a letter. It appeared in The Times of London this month under the headline, “My Advice to Michelle Obama: Learn to Like the Back Seat.”

    The pointed words came from Cherie Blair, a lawyer, mother of three and the wife of Tony Blair, the former prime minister of Britain. Brace yourself for big letdowns in your life as first lady, she warned Obama, a lawyer, mother of two and the wife of President-elect Barack Obama.

    “You have to learn to take the back seat, not just in public, but in private,” advised Blair,

    READ MORE HERE: http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/23/america/advice.php

    [LMAO……. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT MEEESHELL THOUGHT OF THAT ADVICE 😉 ]

  53. If Mayor Daley was on MTP this morning that is not a coincidence.
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    false alarm. it was only his brother. i am sure there is a chinese wall between them. i am sure they never speak to eachohter about political events-even at christmas time. how long after bambi takes office before he replaces u.s. attorney patrick fitzgerald with someone who is . . . how shall I put it . . . . more responsive to local interests. how long til uncle tony gets a taste of uhera–freedom.

  54. WBBOEI,
    “This is the most corrupt political machine in the country.”

    Keep in mind they need to swipe about $10 trillion from the treasury just to break even with the current occupants – and that’s just on the financial end.

    Furthermore, it is now, or will soon be, where Hillary Clinton works.
    So, maybe it’s time to follow her lead.

    We can all hate what happened forever – and some of us will – but Hillary has clearly made the determination, first by passing on an all-out war in Denver, and now apparently by accepting SOS, that the country comes first, the present situation too grave to spend time quibbling or looking back rather than forward.

    And I don’t know about you but I now feel (immeasurably better) about U.S. foreign policy, best I’ve felt in 8 loooooong years.

  55. Obama selects more staff
    Ellen Moran, executive director of EMILY’s List, was named White House communications director by
    President-elect Obama on Saturday.

    Moran, a well-known grassroots organizer, has also managed statewide Democratic campaigns and managed the Wal-Mart corporate accountability campaign for the AFL-CIO.

    EMILY’s List, one of the most important Democratic constituency groups, says it is “dedicated to building a progressive America by electing Democratic pro-choice women to office.”

    As expected, the White House press secretary will be Robert Gibbs, a top strategist on Obama’s campaign who helped chart his leap from the U.S. Senate to the presidency.
    *****************************************************
    Like I said earlier…the knifes of friends dug deeper. Pathetic how all these women groups sold out for their own self dealing.

    For those of you who are true feminist…Team Sarah is having a membership drive it’s an umbrella group that has PUMA groups and other blogs helping to build a foundation of support.

    http://www.teamsarah.org

  56. Blue, I agree wholeheartedly. I feel more secure with Senator Clinton as SOS, than Horseface or Judas. Sorry for the name calling, but those names are sooo appropriate. I think the rest of the world will prefer Hillary as SOS, than some of the other choices. I’m surprised that BO wants her.

  57. carbynew Says:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 10:52 pm
    Obama selects more staff
    Ellen Moran, executive director of EMILY’s List, was named White House communications director by
    President-elect Obama on Saturday.

    ——————————————————————

    Carby, Emily’s list was a huge supporter of Hillary Clinton. Unfortunately, some of the women candidates that they funded, supported BO. They didn’t go over to BO, until after the primary was over. NARAL was the knife-in-the-back organization.

  58. WBBOEI,
    “This is the most corrupt political machine in the country.”

    Keep in mind they need to swipe about $10 trillion from the treasury just to break even with the current occupants – and that’s just on the financial end.

    Furthermore, it is now, or will soon be, where Hillary Clinton works.
    So, maybe it’s time to follow her lead
    —————————————
    Blue Dem: thank you for your comment. Please do me one favor. Remember what we have been through these past 15 months’ and dont give up the ship. Lets keep fighting together.

    Thinks back to the conspiracy between Rove and Brazille to rig the causcuses, the 2000 complaints of intimidation which Brazille never bothered to investigate, the disenfranchisement of Michigan and Florida, the kangaroo court proceeding of the Rules and By-laws committee, the huge sums of untraceable foreign money which polluted our electoral system, the race card he played in South Carolina and elsewhere (documented by Professor Wilentz), the sexism emanating from his campaign, the unholy alliance with big media, the intimidation of superdelegates and state delegations, to say nothing of is toxic associations, failure to produce a valid birth certificate, and his failure to represent constituents re. slum conditions and nuclear spill.

    Are you prepared to forget all that just because Hillary is joining the Administration? If so, then remember as I do how you felt when Wrangel stabbed Hillary in the back. You were full of fire and brimstone then by God. You may even recall what Taylor Marsh told us on that auspicious occasio. It is alot like what you are saying now. She said since Hillary is supporting Obama we must follow her lead. Did you heed that advice then? Of course not. And I was proud of you because you stood on principle.

    If I believed this Secretary of State proposal represented a true reaching out to Hillary, rather than a gesture which she capitalized on I would give Obama the benefit of the doubt. But I am skeptical for the reasons discussed. If I were prepared as you apparently are to give up on her prospects for 2012 I might be a little less feisty toward him. But I would still oppose Obama because of the democratic principles at stake here. I want you as an ally in that struggle.

    Let me suggest that it is possible to support Hillary for the position of Secretary of State–which I do, without supporting Obama–which I most certainly do not. That is not inconsistent. I have supported her for this job the minute I saw Bill was on board. I argued for it on this blog.

    I saw it as a way for her to progress to a world stage where she could project her voice, showcase her talents and and begin the arduous task of repairing the damage left by Bush. I even went so far as to suggest that this is where the solution to our economic problems will be found, and with the creation of a team of like-minded problemsolvers in defense and treasury the chances for long term success are enhanced.

    By contrast, I saw the senate as a dead end where she would be bottled up and lose her relevance. I was concerned that if she stayed in the senate she would be bottled up and lose her voice. Others disagreed and I respect their view.

    But the fundamental premise for me does not change. As I told the people who asked me to meet Michelle Obama when she was in town, I was not interested because they ran a dirty campaign and I would be on the picket line with PUMA.

    I believe we crossed the rubicon in terms of corruption in this election, and the electorate was marginalized and lied to. The press and the Obama camaign were party to this. And in the world of politics whatever succeeds will be emulated. That is reason enough to fight on.

    Finally, what I see in Hilllary is perhaps the last Roosevelt liberal. What I see in Obama is a shill for global interests who have no regard for invisible people. Bush was the same kind of guy without the finesse. But with both it is scorched earth and the endless campaign.

    When I canvassed for Hillary in states like Pennsylvania and Indiana I saw the effect of globalist policies. I saw too much to ever be sanguine about these kinds of politicans. And if things get rough we will see if he treats us any better than the treated his constituents in Chicago and Illinois. Past is prologue.

    Can we agree on this? Or must we agree to disagree?

  59. wbboei,

    Thanks for good perspective. I’ve been provincial, seeing nothing higher than POTUS.

    ‘Joining the Obama admin’ is a paper formality, and of course she will have to make those motions, which will be unpleasant to watch. However it sounds like she will really be calling the action herself, as she’s already playing hardball as the UK paper put it, with getting some of Obama’s staff fired before she will take the job. Instead of using this as an excuse to cancel the deal, Obama is going along with it.

  60. wb,
    There’s no one left to fight, that’s what I’m trying to say.
    Even Hillary has concluded that.

    I deleted a much longer response because it really doesn’t matter anymore.

    I said at the time the moment B & H decided not to go to the convention and have a battle royale it was game, and they’d have to angle for whatever they could get, and that’s unfortunately proven true.

    At the end of the day, I always come back to the same notion.
    The people are supposed to run this country.

    But they’re too stupid, too lazy, too busy, or too disinterested to really see what’s going on when it matters, and the media & technology have become so advanced it’s not even close to a fair fight anymore.

    Just look at what’s transpired in this country the past 10 years, from the utterly bogus impeachment proceedings to today, once grotesque distortion after another.

    Sometimes I wonder if it’s always been this way, and the ‘winners’ (legitimate or otherwise) write history and it just keep rolling on.

    I don’t know, but Hillary’s own decision here is the clearest signal to follow.

  61. What the heck is going on with this guy and the gym, are cabinet meetings going to be at the gym, press conferences? I understand he exercises 3 o4 times a day, how will he get any work done?? Oh thats right, Hillary is going to do it!!

  62. And one other thing I’ll add which I’ve refrained all along from saying , and which no one will want to hear, but it retains the possibility of proving true.

    If Obama ran that scummy campaign, which fit so neatly with his scummy background, to obtain the ultimate position of power from where he can then accomplish the most (for the common) good, that will be one thing.

    Should he do otherwise – and essentially succumb to these global interests as you and so many others have predicted, that will be something else entirely.

    That’s why I posted that bit from MTP today about Daley saying he was more likely to hold off on eliminating the Bush tax cuts for the rich.

    That’d be a very telling reversal. Gotta go….

  63. I don’t know, but Hillary’s own decision here is the clearest signal to follow.
    ===========

    Well, there are levels. We don’t have to drink koolade just because she has to serve a little of it.

  64. Turn-Down,
    That’s just the thing; Hillary didn’t HAVE TO do anything. She’s chosen this route.

    She’s a former First lady and two-term U. S Senator. She could have went to Denver, fought it out, and (won!) went back to the Senate with an eye towards being that longterm lioness you guys wanted to see, or gone home after her term.

    She’s chosen neither. She wants to play, wants to contribute.
    Nobody’s saying drink koolaide; think what you want.
    Hope for what you want.

    But at some point Hill’s own decision have to start counting for something with regard to what she feels is right for her & the country – and what she wants to do – without ulterior motives being ascribed to her.

  65. Blue Dem,

    If … then. She HAS to speak some koolade IF she takes the job.

    The job of SOS will involve some superficial lip service to koolade. We don’t have to swallow the koolade, or believe she is sincere in waving it around.

    There’s plenty of legitimate over-lap between her policies and what Obama claims as his — or will be as soon as she finishes kicking some ass and he finishes saying “I agree with Hillary.”

  66. wbboei:I absolutely agree with you on what is now taking place as we approach the Coronation Day.Yor knowledge and understanding of what is now and will be after O takes office.Hillary is now in the position like few SOS ever dreamed of after their appointments.The international community knows respects and trust her to do what is best for the world that is in much turmoil as we await her taking on duties as SOS.Your comments and rebuttles with us to me is like picking up a good book and being educated in the ways of honest and or the devious politicians we call our elected representatives.I am getting the education late in my life and I treasure the wise people that I encounter on Big Pink.Thanks to Emjay jan confloyd and so many wonder full friends that help make my day as time marches by.wbboei if you are not you could be ADMIN. My friend I look upon you as the glue that will hold us together as we follow the greatest woman of our time as she displays her love and understanding for this country and humanity as a whole.

    By ABM90

  67. I agree with ABM90 about all of you and this website. What a great place to learn the truth about what is going on! Admin has a great group of people here to expand upon the blogs. I hope more and more people learn what a gold mine this is.

    I’m hoping BHO will do as he suggested during the campaign. It will be helpful if he will leave the running of the country to his appointees, such as Hillary. He should just make a few speeches now and then. There is a chance we can survive this guy yet.

  68. wbb — I agree with you in spite of the fact that I think Hillary would be more powerful in the Senate because of the failures of the more senior leaders.
    That is of course unknowable unless one knows what will happen in many areas.

    If, for instance, they screw up health care, she will be well off away from that and you will be right. I don’t ever know that I can like Obama but he is poised to do some good things in spite of himself.
    I will be pleased if he does them even though I don’t think he’ll ever be likeable.

    If he breaks up these giant corporations and stops approving these mergers — and stops banks from buying other banks — that would be a good thing.
    I don’t expect it but IMHO “too big to fail” is not a good thing.

  69. But at some point Hill’s own decision have to start counting for something with regard to what she feels is right for her & the country – and what she wants to do – without ulterior motives being ascribed to her.

    ahhhh….yes the ulterior motives that people have ascribed to her for 16 years.

  70. I guess I was wrong as it looks like he offered and she will accept. My gut tells me something is not “kosher” here. BO and Hillary dislike one another. Former President Clinton and BO dislike each other even more. We Hillary supporters were turned out by our one time party and DNC cabal. BO won the general election easily and if anything, has alienated his hard left base and infuriated the MSM(see Mathews, Madox, Cooper, Wallace, etc) even more. Thus, what gives? BO did not have to select Hillary….as mad as we are, he controls the shots. Therefore, imo, Bill and Hillary have something on him that they chose not to use in the primaries and certainly could not use in the general election for fear of being caught sabatoging BO’s “historical” election. I beleive they finally told him post election that we have been the good soldiers post the primaries and unless you select Hillary as SOS, this is coming out somehere, somehow. BO wanted to give that job to the back stabbing Richardson, but for some reason Hillary got it….interesting indeed.

  71. JanH Says:

    November 23rd, 2008 at 6:38 pm
    wbboei,

    One last question…

    Do you think the decision to offer Hillary the SOS position was meant to heal not just the rift between them but also as a peace offering to those of us who became so bitter and disenchanted about the DNC and Obama in particular? And if so, will it work?
    &&&&&&&&&

    Quite possibly it was meant to unite the Dems… But then again, I thought they “didn’t need us”, and that they managed to smuggle Obama into office despite a good number of Dems not voting for Obama, and some actually even voting FOR his opponent.

    Will this work? Hmmm, I think those that came to deeply distrust Obama will never come around to him. I recall how much I loathed W., starting in 1999 as his name was floated. Didn’t like him much while he was running against McCain, and in fact was happy that W. won the primary, because he’d be easier for Gore to beat than McCain. Be careful what you wish for. In hindsight, it might be nice looking back at the pasat eight years of the McCain administration.

    To continue, my feelings about W. only got worse the more he was still in my face, doing his W. thing. Campaigning against Gore. The debates. Stealing the election.

    But when he finally became president, and unified the country, and kept us out of ware, and handled all those crises with such competence, did I finally warm up to and actually like and respect him.

    NOT!!!!!

    So seeing the pompous Mr. Obama cockily strutting about is only going to make me want to vomit in my running shoes. I think it is highly improbably that any adminstrtation can match the Bush the 43rd’s WH for incompetence, and evil. But I will look for every reason to call Obama on his incompetence, divisiveness, and treachery. After all, a leopard doesn’t change its spots. Axelrod is still right behind Obama, pulling his strings. W. had Cheney and Rove, Obama will have Axelrod and Plouffe.

    Sure, I want this country to be on the right track. But I also want the Great Evener to even things out, for people To Get What They Deserve. We know what Obama deserves: to be called on his incompetence, divisiveness, racism, fraudulence, lack of transparency.

    We survived (almost?) 8 yrs of the Horrible W. Reign of Terror. I hope to only have to put up with 4 yrs of Obama. Impeachment? Lose to Palin? Heck, I’ll take Huckabee.

    Get the feeling I really don’t like this Obama feller?

  72. NO…BO supportes hate us…Gibbs and Plouffe are said to despise Hillary, while Axelrod is more pragmatic. They are sore winners and cheaters. We must never forget they manipulated the election with the help of MSM away from Hillary…it was her time and they ruined all our hopes, dreams and aspirations .

  73. Well…I have second-guessed this issue to death. I have absolutely no idea how Hillary feels about Obama. Maybe she tolerates him as a means to an end? Maybe they have reconciled their differences? Maybe she is just going with the flow. I am not in her inner circle so whatever her reasons for accepting SOS, I wish her well.

    As far as the bots hating us…so what! It might just be that the Dems realize that dividing and conquering is just not going to work anymore. Maybe the bots are being hung out to dry. Maybe we are all being asked to play nice for the greater cause. Either way, the bots can continue to spin until they implode. I doubt Obama will care one way or another.

  74. She had no choice really if she wanted to remain politically viable. Next to Prez, SOS is the most prolific /important job. Hillary had to decide do I stay in the senate with dickheads like Kennedy, Leahy, Dodd, MacKaskill , Reid, and others who back stabbed her, or make a real difference in the world despite having to work for someone who is not qualified to run a local grocery store, let alone the free world.

  75. One must remember that both Clintons are famous for forgiving their enemies. She worked well with leaders of the impeachment and she seems to have forgiven Obama. Calling Bill a racist was beyond the pale for me but evidently they have overlooked even that.

    Vetting a former president?? Puh-leeze! CNN refers to Bill’s enormous success in his global initiatives as “Clinton baggage”. My question is: Whose contribution could be reason to not confirm Hill? Whose donation to the Tsunami Relief or Katrina or even his library would be grounds to dismiss Hill?
    Hugo Chavez? Kim Jung Il? The estate of Josef Stalin? What are they looking for? Unattractive people who were persuaded to forego an AIG weekend and give the money to AIDS relief?

  76. The media has hated them both from the minute they arrived in 1992 till present. These people(Bill/Hillary) have served their entire lives to help others…they came from humble beginnings, and simply try to make the world a better place. This is the thanks they get from the
    from people like Chris Mathews , a multi-millionaire democrat, who has about as much empathy for the common man as BO has-NONE!!!

  77. I really hope Matthews decides to run for office. It will be my please, and I hope many others, to treat him as he as treated the Clintons.

  78. Bo you are a great reader when you are provided with a prepared script and a teleprompter.What I would like to know is Where did your accent go and where is the beef that goes into news stew that you served at noon today? You stressed the number of new jobs that you will provide by rebuilding our infrastructure.That takes years to plan and deliver on and if you go ahead with your plan to spread the wealth there will be very few of your supporters that will want to give up their checks and do a good days work instead.Most of our population cannot afford to drive shop eat fly and have health care. EXPLAIN PLEASE

    By ABM90..Shades of the great movie ‘The Sting”

  79. In fact, maybe one way to punish the media would be to select those miserable few like Matthews, Olberman, et al, as well as Brazille, Kerry, etc…and dig into their backgrounds. I wonder how they would feel watching their reputations shredded beyond belief. I bet some of them have more black marks against them than the Clintons ever had. 😉

  80. Even a good deed by Governor Palin gets slapped by the press!
    by Greta Van Susteren

    If you watch ON THE RECORD at 10pm or read GretaWire you know that I have been critical of many in the media — of course it is the obligation of the press to report about candidates but to be fair (report about policies etc. but not just whack to be mean or sexist ..or to make fun of the person – especially incorrectly – to undermine that person just for the sake of a good laugh.) Politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle work very hard….it is not an easy job but at the very least we should get the facts right. And let me emphasize again: the media’s job is to be aggressive in reporting about politicians — but getting the facts right and being fair is a must.

    The Washington Post could not help itself this morning…here is how: It is common practice among my friends to tape Happy Birthday greetings. It is also fun if you can get someone famous to say it on tape. When I was in Alaska interviewing Governor Palin over a few days, I asked Governor Palin after my interview was finished to just say Happy Birthday on camera for a friend of mine – Hilary Rosen, a prominent Dem in Washington. It was meant to be fun. I told the Governor that the birthday person is a political opponent — but Governor Palin saw the fun of wishing her Happy Birthday and reaching across the aisle. She asked me the name and I told her and I spelled it…..she then wrote it on a card. Well…I got it wrong…it is only one “l” in Hilary Rosen’s name (not two like HIllary Clinton.) So…what does the Washington Post do? In reporting the nice gesture that Governor Palin did, it reports that there was a spelling error. BIg deal…but guess what? It was my mistake. It was not Governor Palin’s mistake! If the Washington Post had called me before it printed the below, I would have been happy to tell the facts. By the way, Happy Birthday to my one “l” friend Hilary Rosen (and it is not 29! OUCH!)

    Here is the Washington Post excerpt this morning:

    Big surprise: Tammy Haddad’s birthday video ….. Sarah Palin. The Alaska governor taped the personalized greeting after her interview with Greta Van Susteren. “We are very proud of you — all your successes and all of your accomplishments,” said Palin. “Nothing but the best for the next 50 years.” And then she held up a handmade sign that said: “Happy Birthday Hillary.” She’d misspelled Rosen’s name, but was a good sport about giving a shout-out to someone who criticized her a lot during the campaign.

    PS – do have any idea how many people spell my name wrong? put two “t’s” in Greta? or omit the last “e” in my last name? and guess what? big deal! who cares??? I don’t !
    gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/11/24/even-a-good-deed-by-governor-palin-gets-slapped-by-the-press/#comments

  81. Blue Democrat Says:

    November 24th, 2008 at 2:13 am
    wb,
    There’s no one left to fight, that’s what I’m trying to say.
    Even Hillary has concluded that
    ————————————–
    Blue: you helped me alot when we going through some of this and I value your opinion.

    Remember Washington at Valley Forge. Almost A Miracle, as he later said.

    In time an army will form to resist obama, but it is hard to see it now.

    We may find that some disillusioned former supporters of his joining our ranks.

    I am told they are going through God That Failed withdrawal symtoms now.

    The only thing I have no faith in is big media. If Bambi did not exist they would have to invent him We must invent an alternative media.

    The key is to stay true to our principles and if I start to falter I want you to kick my ass.

    If I am right, time is our ally. We are now in Act 1 and it feels like Pax Romana Bambi.

    But there will be an Act 3. Power is a fluid thing. Like water it seeks its own level, and migrates where it will.

    Nobody knows that better than our girl. When opporunity is there she seizes it. When it is not she plays the game.

    The key to this thing is patience. The other key is to never forget who we are fighting. They are bad people.

    The core of the Obama campaign is the Chicago Machine. They are ruthless but they are not brilliant.

    We are talking about a political machine–not the Chicago mob. But there is an apt comparison to be drawn here:

    Capone, Nitti, Giancana, Arcardo, et. al. spread their wings to Kansas City (Civella), Cleveland (Licavoli), Milwaukee (Balasteri), Detroit (Zerilli), and even Los Angeles (Dragna).

    But they were never able to control the country. Capone was Neopolitan and the Sicileans were the real show. They controlled the chessboard through the Commission.

    I offer this to you merely as a comparative model.
    It is a world stage out there and Axelrod does not control it. Neither does Soros.

  82. YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Alan Colmes to Depart Top Rated Hannity & Colmes
    FOX News Channel’s (FNC) Alan Colmes will relinquish his role as co-host of Hannity & Colmes at the end of the year.

    In announcing his decision, Colmes said, “I approached Bill Shine (FNC’s Senior Vice President of Programming) earlier this year about wanting to move on after 12 years to develop new and challenging ways to contribute to the growth of the network. Although it’s bittersweet to leave one of the longest marriages on cable news, I’m proud that both Sean (Hannity) and I remained unharmed after sitting side by side, night after night for so many years.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=bw-20010714:20081124006056:1&show_article=1

  83. ABM90: you are an inspiration to all of us. I am flattered that you would compare me with Admin. If it were only true. Admin is the finest political analyst I have ever seen, and as all of us have said at one time or another has inspired us, informed us and kept us pointed in the right direction.

    My friend, your assessment of the sos position is spot on. It is increasingly obvious that we live in an interdepent world, and much of the problem we have seen these past eight years has been a failure to recognize this.

    We all know what a fine mind Emjay has. She said something to me the other day that rang so true I have to repeat it. She said the difference between Hillary and Condi as sos will be that Hillary will be tough as nails in hammering out the right deal for America and the world behind closed doors, and when she emerges before the cameras she will make all parties look good. Condi alas was the opposite.

    The problem we face today on the international front is a daunting one and is accurately described in the book “After The Empire”:

    “Why is America now commonly perceived as a narcissistic warmongering bully? How did the country which until recently played an essential role in building international order suddenly become the symbol of international disorder? Why is America no longer the principal example of liberal democracy, international security and economic prosperity? Is the United States–the world’s only remaining super power in danger of finding itself in a world that no longer needs it?

    As more and more countries become increasingly educated, democratic and economically stable-America is slowly realizing that it cannot get along without the rest of the world. Burdened by enormous domestic and foreign trade deficits, the declining value of the dollar, the unanticipated bankruptcy of prominent companies and the fact that it can no longer subsist on its own production. America is becoming ever more dependent on foreign money, which is steadily undermining its unprecedented political and economic influence.

    As the United States continues to make foreign policy decisions that alienate the international community, other countries are becoming more boldly defiant of American unilateralism.”

    In a nutshell, that is the problem which the greatest political leader of our generation–Hillary Rodham Clinton face as she enters the world stage in her new role less than 60 days hence.

  84. djia Says:

    November 24th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
    YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Alan Colmes to Depart Top Rated Hannity & Colmes

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    That makes my day. 🙂

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    wwboei: Your wisdom never ceases to amaze me.

    ABM90: You are truly inspirational.

  85. FROM PUMAS UNLEASHED………

    November 25, 2008
    AND… We’re OFF to the Races, folks…. Trouble chasing Hillary…
    Hillary Clinton Nomination May Violate Emoluments Clause

    A new debate has arisen regarding the appointment of Hillary Clinton as Obama’s Secretary of State. This new debate revolves around whether such an appointment would be in violation of the Emoluments Clause of the U.S. Constitution. What is the Emoluments Clause? To be honest, I’m not real familiar with this and don’t ever remember even discussing it in law school, but here it is:

    No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been encreased during such time…

    So, the two central questions in this instance are:

    1) Whether Clinton is ineligible now under the Emoluments Clause and

    2) Can such ineligibility be cured by a “Saxby Fix” which would entail her salary being reduced to what it was when she began her term if appointed as Secretary of State. As to the first question, there is little doubt, by the plain language of the Constitution, that she is ineligible for the office because the Secretary’s position has increased during Clinton’s term of office, therefore a straight forward violation of the Clause.

    The more difficult question is whether a Saxby Fix would cure the problem and restore her eligibility. John O’Conner, who wrote an article on this issue called The Emoluments Clause: An Anti-Federalist Intruder in a Federalist Constitution, 24 Hofstra L. Rev. 89 (1995) states:

    [ The Saxbe Fix got its name because the Nixon administration sought to eliminate Senator William Saxbe’s ineligibility for appointment as Attorney General by reducing the salary of that office to the level that existed before Senator Saxbe’s appointment. Although there was some opposition on constitutional grounds (most interestingly by Senator Robert Byrd and then-Harvard Professor Stephen G. Breyer), the legislation passed and Saxbe was confirmed. Later, Lloyd Bentsen served as Treasury Secretary after “Saxbe Fix” legislation reduced the salary of that office to its level immediately before Senator Bentsen’s Senate term had begun.]

    pumasunleashed.wordpress.com/

  86. djia,

    I guess I’m just wondering if this “Emoluments Clause” has ever been invoked before or if this is just a special present just for Hillary. Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.

  87. Jan…

    I think if they try this as a means to not give her the appointment to SOS……then all hell should break loose until BHO show’s his
    birth certificate and up holds the constitution himself!!

  88. Are “emoluments” like Dean Wormer (in “Animal Houe”) declaring that Delta House was on “Double Secret Probation”?

  89. # birdgal Says:
    November 24th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    What Rahm? He was appointed COS, and he is a representative. Does that count?
    *************
    Good question!!..Anyone know what Josh Bolton’s salary is? Rahm’s salary as a Congressman is ~$165,000. For Hillary, if they reduce the SOS salary (the Saxby Solution) that would only cost her ~$20k.

  90. WORMER: Greg… what is the worst fraternity on this campus?

    Greg: That would be hard to say, sir. They’re each outstanding in their own way–

    Wormer: Cut the horseshit, son. I’ve got their disciplinary files here.
    Who dumped a whole truckload of fizzies into the swim meet?
    Who delivered the medical-school cadavers to the alumni dinner?
    Every Halloween, the trees are filled with underwear.
    Every spring, the toilets explode.

    Greg: You’re talking about Delta, sir.

    Wormer: Of course l’m talking about Delta, you twerp! This year, it’s gonna be different. This year we’ll grab the bull by the balls… and kick those punks off campus!

    Greg: What do you intend to do, sir? Delta’s already on probation.

    WORMER: They are?

    GREG: Yes, sir.

    Wormer: Oh…. Then as of now, they’re on double secret probation!

    Greg: Double secret probation, sir?

    Wormer: There is a little-known codicil in the Faber College Constitution… which gives the Dean unlimited power to preserve order… in time of campus emergency. Find me a way to revoke Delta’s charter. You live next door. Put Neidermeyer on it. He’s a sneaky little shit just like you, right? The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

  91. That emoluments argument is someone grasping at straws. If Lloyd Bentsen, a senator, could become Treasury secretary by reducing the salary to its previous level (and I don’t even remember the emoluments argument being raised then), Hillary can become SoS the same way.

    Sounds like something DailyKooks would be pushing.

  92. wb,
    Your willingness to keep fighting is admirable.
    I’m truly at a loss though to see where it is you’re going.
    Do you have designs on unseating BO for the nomination in 2012, or the big chair in 2016, or what?

    Because I’d see the first as highly improbable. As if a complicit media weren’t enough, they will not only have near-complete control of Congress, where so many stabbed Hillary in the back, but the power of incumbency.
    And if for no other reason than to retain their hold on power, this Pelosi-Brazille-Soros-Whomever cabal will have to do something to keep the country afloat, or at least provide the modest appearance of such.

    I pretty sure Hillary’s done all this math, and I don’t think it’s an accident
    she and former Clintonistas are being brought into the administration, because it gives them a vested interest in seeing it succeed, thereby making it that much harder to break free of it, or attempt to break free of it.

    Lastly, George Washington never surrendered to Cornwallis.
    For what you’re talking about Denver was everything.

  93. “I’m thrilled that Colmes is leaving. I just hope his replacement isn’t as bad or worse that he was.”

    Count on it. Think they’ve been grooming the blondie, forget her name.
    She’ll be the new recipient of 20% of the airtime vs Hannity’s 80%.

    Colmes was a decent guy in a terrible position.
    He should’ve resigned in protest long ago.

  94. November 24th, 2008 at 2:20 pm wbboei Says:

    “If Bambi did not exist they would have to invent him.”
    * * * * *
    wbboei: they DID invent Bambi!

  95. Auto industry bailout.Why???
    As I pass many dealerships and see acres of new cars that have been stored there by their makres.Suburben auto dealers have the benefit of having these sprawling fields of assets that belong to the big three and I feel that they are not seen by many people that cannot afford them.If they get the bailout money thet can just wait this out and we are deeper in debt.Let them sell those cars at a loss as many small and large retailers are doing to keep bills paid and stay in business.The deal that our ever so caring and thoughtful politicians want to push would not make much of a difference.Cost of the energy saving cars is now and will be out of the reach of the average consumer.Big three have a fire sale go into bankruptcy and start all over.other businesses do it as well as people that have no other choice and you can do it without our money that we have to borrow from your competitors.
    Empty showrooms and empty car lots.Aclean way to start over.

    BY ABM90

  96. Mrs. Smith Says:

    November 24th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
    Here is the headline of today’s NYT supposedly leaking the story…Hillary is “taking” the SOS appointment..

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/clinton-to-accept-secretary-of-state-job/

    Now here is the recap you would only see in a UK Newspaper publication…certainly not here:

    http://pumasunleashed.wordpress.com/2008/11/23/hillary-plays-hardball-with-obamas-team/

    http://pumasunleashed.wordpress.com/2008/11/24/ready-to-rule-on-day-one/
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    Brilliant post Mrs Smith

    These side by side comparison show how corrupt Big Media is. Blue the problem is not the American People. It is the steady diet of what the are fed by our own big media.

    The British paper is spot on. The Craig issue is the tip off. He needed to be run off. We dont need leakers or political opporunists like him. We need people who are loyal to Hillary and put country first before personal ambition.

    Hillary will get it done as long as Obama backs her. So far so good. The world community is watching. Whether chicago likes it or not. But how could you ever tell if all you had to go on was the NYT? We need to stay in touch with foreign media–britain and germany.

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