The Backstabber

Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

The “friends” are whining:

Antiwar groups and other liberal activists are increasingly concerned at signs that Barack Obama’s national security team will be dominated by appointees who favored the Iraq invasion and hold hawkish views on other important foreign policy issues.

The activists are uneasy not only about signs that both Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates could be in the Obama Cabinet, but at reports suggesting that several other short-list candidates for top security posts backed the decision to go to war.

“Obama ran his campaign around the idea the war was not legitimate, but it sends a very different message when you bring in people who supported the war from the beginning,” said Kelly Dougherty, executive director of the 54-chapter Iraq Veterans Against the War.

The “plums” are not going to the fools that thought they were “friends” of Obama.

The activists — key members of the coalition that propelled Obama to the White House — fear he is drifting from the antiwar moorings of his once-longshot presidential candidacy. Obama has eased the rigid timetable he had set for withdrawing troops from Iraq, and he appears to be leaning toward the center in his candidates to fill key national security posts.

The president-elect has told some Democrats that he expects to take heat from parts of his political base but will not be deterred by it.

Aside from Clinton and Gates, the roster of possible Cabinet secretaries has included Sens. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) and Richard G. Lugar (R-Ind.), who both voted in 2002 for the resolution authorizing President Bush to invade Iraq, though Lugar has since said he regretted it.

“It’s astonishing that not one of the 23 senators or 133 House members who voted against the war is in the mix,” said Sam Husseini of the liberal group Institute for Public Accuracy.

The “friends” are discovering what we have known: Obama can’t be trusted.

Activists note that Vice President-elect Joe Biden, also expected to be a leading voice in the new administration’s foreign policy, voted for the 2002 war resolution.

Another possible contender for the diplomatic post, former U.S. diplomat Richard C. Holbrooke, also backed the Iraq invasion.

Kevin Martin, executive director of the group Peace Action, said that although Obama had campaigned as an agent of change, the president-elect is “a fairly centrist guy” who appears to be choosing from the Democratic foreign policy establishment — “and nobody from outside it.”

So, in the short term, we’re going to be disappointed,” he said. “They may turn out to be all pro-war, or at least people who were pro-war in the beginning.”

They will be “disappointed” in the short term and the unwitting fools will also be “disappointed” in the long term. Obama can’t be trusted.

Watch out! or you “friends” will be “racists” too:

Martin said that his group was concerned about Gates and Clinton as well as Rahm Emanuel, Obama’s choice for White House chief of staff. He also said his group was trying to mobilize its grass-roots supporters with e-mail alerts, but recognized that it must approach the subject delicately because of public euphoria over Obama’s historic victory.

“There’s so much Obama hero worship, we’re having to walk this line where we can’t directly criticize him,” he said. “But we are expressing concern.”

Peace Action urged in a letter for its members to speak up because “we can be sure that the Obama team is under pressure to dial back plans to withdraw from Iraq.”

Despite concerns, some groups are trying to remain conciliatory.

Tom Andrews, national director of Win Without War, said that although he finds Sen. Clinton’s views “very troubling,” Obama should be given the benefit of the doubt.

I take him at his word that he is committed to ending the occupation of Iraq in 16 months and that he’s going to assemble a team that’s committed to that goal,” Andrews said.

Obama campaigned on a promise to remove all combat troops from Iraq in 16 months, or roughly one brigade a month.

Since winning the White House, Obama has affirmed his pledge to remove the troops but has left himself some flexibility on the withdrawal timetable.

Get ready to be “disappointed” you scared “friends”. Obama can’t be trusted.

Backstabbing is an Obama family value. Michelle enjoys calling hubby “stinky”. Now Michelle is calling Barack on his lies.

During his latest star turn on “60 Minutes” Michelle Obama humiliated Barack, calling him out on two clear-cut, self-agrandising lies. Obama in his fictional “autobiographies” puffs himself up to create the impression that he has actually done something in his life other than promote himself. The Obama books are admittedly creative and filled with “composite” characters. The events in Obama’s books have also been strongly disputed by eyewitnesses and participants in the actual non-fictionalized events. Now we have Michelle Obama disputing, to his face, Obama’s revisionist history.

Mr. Obama: Well, I’m not sure it’s sunk in yet.

Michelle Obama: I guess I’m sort of like him. I’m not sure if it has really sunk in. But I remember, we were watching the returns and, on one of the stations, Barack’s picture came up and it said, ‘President-Elect Barack Obama. ‘ And I looked at him and I said, ‘You are the 44th President of the United States of America. Wow. What a country we live in.’

Mr. Obama: How about that?

Michelle Obama: Yeah.

Mr. Obama: Yeah. Yeah. And then she said ‘Are you gonna take the girls to school in the morning?’

Michelle Obama: I did not. I didn’t say that.

AND

Kroft: You told me that when you went off to Washington and made the decision to live there and when you came back to Chicago you had certain chores that you had to perform. You had to wash the dishes and make your bed.

Mr. Obama: Yeah.

Kroft: Are you free now on that front?

Mr. Obama: Well, I…

Kroft: Certainly there’s gonna be somebody else to wash the dishes and make your bed.

Michelle Obama: Yes.

Mr. Obama: There sometimes it’s soothing to wash the dishes.

Michelle Obama: You? Since when was it ever soothing for you to wash the dishes?

Even on simple matters like washing dishes and taking kids to school, Obama’s version of the truth cannot be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted.

Even Michelle knows that Obama “facts” are as accurate as George W. “facts”.

More Obama “friends” are learning Obama can’t be trusted:

President-elect Barack Obama promised the voters change but has started his Cabinet selection process by naming several Washington insiders to top posts.

Obama is enlisting former Senate leader Tom Daschle as his health secretary. Hillary Rodham Clinton, a well-known Washington personality, seemed more likely than ever to be his secretary of state. Clinton is deciding whether to take that post as America’s top diplomat, her associates said Wednesday

Obama is ready to announce that his attorney general will be Eric Holder, the Justice Department’s No. 2 when Clinton’s husband was president. Rahm Emanuel, Obama’s chief of staff, is another veteran of the Clinton White House.

All the primary talk from Obama about lobbyists? Forget it. Obama can’t be trusted:

In fact, Daschle stayed in the capital city after his defeat, becoming a public policy adviser and member of the legislative and public policy group at the law and lobbying firm Alston & Bird. Daschle isn’t registered as a lobbyist. He advises clients on issues including health care, financial services, taxes and trade, according to the firm’s Web site.

Health care interests, including CVS Caremark, the National Association for Home Care and Hospice, Abbott Laboratories and HealthSouth, are among the firm’s lobbying clients.

Daschle’s appointment was not formally announced, but Democratic officials said the job was his barring an unforeseen problem as Obama’s team reviews his background. One area of review will include the lobbying connections of his wife, Linda Hall Daschle, who has worked mostly on behalf of airline-related companies over the years.

Obama simply can’t be trusted by his friends (nor by his foes). The friends are whining about the backstabbing:

When is Obama going to appoint someone who reflects the progressive base that brought him to the White House?

He won the crucial Iowa caucuses on the strength of his anti-Iraq War stance, and many progressive peace and justice activists worked hard for him against John McCain.

So why in the world is he choosing Hillary Clinton to be Secretary of State when she was one of the loudest hawks on Iraq and threatened to obliterate 75 million Iranians?

And it’s not just Hillary.

Obama’s OMB pick, Peter Orzag, is a Clintonite disciple of Robert Rubin.

Obama’s AG pick, Eric Holder, is a Clintonite who represented Chiquita Bananas.

And Larry Summers’s name is still being bandied about for Treasury, even though Summers, while Clinton’s Treasury Secretary, forced the deregulation of our financial markets and imposed disaster capitalism on Russia.

Worse still, heading Obama’s transition team on intelligence matters are two former deputies to George Tenet, of all people. (See Amy Goodman’s great story about this on Democracy Now!)

It is rather sad to see “progressives” who stabbed Hillary in the back whining about Obama backstabbing them. It is rather humorous for Obama “friends” to think they will get anything from Obama. Keep those lists of unicorns coming, guys. Obama can’t be trusted:

Look, there are a lot of talented progressives who could be in an Obama cabinet.

Joseph Stiglitz is a Nobel Prize-winner in economics and a critic of corporate globalization. He should be Treasury Secretary.

Senator Russ Feingold is a champion of civil liberties. He should be Attorney General.

Robert Greenstein is head of Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. He would make a much better OMB director.

Arlene Holt Baker, executive vice president of the AFL-CIO, would be a tremendous Secretary of Labor.

And if Obama really wanted change, if he really wanted to honor progressives who backed him early on and then did the grunt work against McCain, he’d nominate Dennis Kucinich as Secretary of State. [snip]

But at this point, progressives are getting absolutely nothing from Obama.

Keep dreaming guys. You will get less than the little you still expect from untrustworthy Obama. Obama has a history of doing nothing. Obama will only “manage expectations”:

They know they must manage and lower those expectations, CBS 2 Political Editor Mike Flannery reports.

A top economic advisor to Obama had a glum warning for the rest of us Thursday morning: Neither the job market nor the stock market will be turning around any time soon.

“This might be a long haul,” said Robert Reich, who was President Bill Clinton’s secretary of labor. “2009 is going to be a very hard year. Some economists say we won’t be out of this for two years, others are saying it may be three, or four, maybe five years.”

Now on Obama’s transition team, Reich worries about what happens after the new president is sworn in Jan. 20.

“We all have to be very careful about the expectations that we are putting on this man, our president-elect,” Reich said. “If we all assume it’s going to be the first 100 days, we’re going to be disappointed.”

The man who was Obama’s chief campaign strategist is moving to lower expectations, too.

“We are inheriting an array problems unlike any president has faced, maybe since Franklin Roosevelt in 1932,” David Axelrod said. “It’s not gonna be easy, not gonna be quick.”

Expect to be disappointed.

Obama’s history is simple: Obama helps himself.

Obama history is prologue. Obama will help himself and “manage expectations” of others.

Obama can’t be trusted by friend nor foe.

Obama’s foes can expect to be blamed for his failures and/or be called “racists”.

Obama’s friends can expect an efficient backstab.

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  1. I could be wrong on this but I thought Dashcle voted for the war res, as well…as Majority Leader he brought it to the floor just before the 2002 elections….

  2. Clinton, Geithner, Richardson picked for Obama cabinet
    By Robert Schroeder
    Last update: 3:09 p.m. EST Nov. 21, 2008
    WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Sen. Hillary Clinton, New York Federal Reserve President Tim Geithner and former Energy Secretary Bill Richardson have all accepted posts in President-elect Barack Obama’s cabinet, according to media reports. Clinton accepted the position of secretary of state, the New York Times reported. Richardson is in line to become Commerce secretary and Geithner was picked to be Treasury secretary, NBC News reported

    http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Clinton-Geithner-Richardson-picked-Obama/story.aspx?guid=%7B2F6E36CF-C681-4AA4-A999-3361A2D32564%7D

  3. Here’s a portion of a post by anglachel on Hillary as SoS.

    This is my point of push-back on both the professional Hillary haters and (more gently and with a lot more sympathy) on the Hillary supporters who are suspicious of Obama’s intentions. We need to think about this appointment (whether or not Hillary decides to fill it) in terms of serious politics and effective promotion of US interests in the world. We need to consider the representation of the state to other states.

    The office could be filled as it has been since at least Eisenhower as a high technocratic position, a place for someone who has not been in electoral politics, is often from a think-tank or academia, or else comes out of a civil service background. You have to go back to George Marshall to find someone who coming into office is a political figure in their own right. Dulles and Kissenger became such figures as a result of being SOS. Even Marshall is not really a good comparison as his political claim was his prominent military role under FDR, where he basically ran WWII. But he accepted the SOS post from Truman while better known and better liked than his boss. He took it up as an opportunity to do world-historic things. You know, the Marshall Plan, that little thing? Since then, all others have come from less illustrious backgrounds. In the case of Colin Powell, the office diminished him. Putting a technocrat into the post would be the safest political bet for the Obama administration and would reinforce the tendency towards an imperial Presidency. The Very Serious People would approve.

    So what can it mean that the most prominent, attention getting politician in the country might accept the SOS role? It would be a political bargain and risk. It would mean betting that someone as capable and with the immense national and international authority Hillary commands is a net gain for your administration. To use someone of that stature, as Truman did Marshall, is to go all in on the policy side, because the selection of that individual becomes the touchstone for your policy. The expectation in return is that her prominence and ability will be an asset, more to your advantage than any real or imagined loss of power.

    When the talking heads start foaming at the mouth about Hillary forming a parallel sytem, they recognize that power is something that is created, not granted, and that it will accrue to those who know how to use the tools at hand. The state department and foreign service is the most self-concious political class in DC, with the possible exception of the Pentagon. It is the part of our government that is most like the civil service found in other states. It is a veritable mandarinate. Under Powell and Rice, this group has been mocked and sidelined by Cheney and his dirty tricks crew. What could this department do if given a leader who will expect their best across a wide range of issues and events instead of subordinating them to a single-minded pursuit of coersive power? How will other governments respond to Hillary as SOS, particularly given her investment in human rights?

    Thus, my curiosity and excitement over the possibilities.

  4. Too bad about Laura Tyson not being named Commerce Secretary. She has some great credentials. What does Judas bring to the table??

  5. Obama’s Treasury pick boosts stocks
    Wall Street cheers the president-elect’s decision to tap New York Fed’s Tim Geithner as Treasury secretary. Citigroup shares fall below $4 after it denies reports it’s weighing a possible sale. Wal-Mart picks a new CEO. GM reportedly will cut North American production.

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    Stocks abruptly turned higher this afternoon on reports that President-elect Barack Obama has selected Timothy Geithner as Treasury secretary.

    Geithner is now the president of the New York Federal Reserve Bank and has worked both for the Federal Reserve system and the Treasury Department since the late 1980s.

    NBC News reported the decision and said Obama will personally announce Geithner and other members of his economic team on Monday in a bid to reassure financial markets that the new administration will be ready to take over on Jan. 20.

    The news turned a small decline for stocks into a big rally, despite continuing worries about the economy and the health of banking giant

    articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Dispatch/market-dispatches-112108.aspx?icid=dispatch_081121

  6. articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Dispatch/market-dispatches-112108.aspx?icid=dispatch_081121

    Stocks abruptly turned higher this afternoon on reports that President-elect Barack Obama has selected Timothy Geithner as Treasury secretary.

    Geithner is now the president of the New York Federal Reserve Bank and has worked both for the Federal Reserve system and the Treasury Department since the late 1980s.

    NBC News reported the decision and said Obama will personally announce Geithner and other members of his economic team on Monday in a bid to reassure financial markets that the new administration will be ready to take over on Jan. 20.

    The news turned a small decline for stocks into a big rally, despite continuing worries about the economy and the health of banking giant Citigroup (C, news, msgs).

  7. wbboei said: [Hillary] won the general election (even though she was not a candidate and was campaigning for bambi–she beat him by 4% based on exit polls)
    ===============

    The exit polls just counted the Pumas who actually voted for McCain. They couldn’t count the Pumas who stayed home but would have come out if Hillary had been on the ballot.

    However they did include the bots who would have stayed home if Obama had not been on the ballot.

    16 percent of McCain voters said they would have voted for Clinton,
    the Democrat, if she had been her party’s nominee. 43% of these voters
    who supported McCain but would have backed Clinton if she were in the
    race described themselves as Independents. 31% were Republicans; while
    26% were Democrats.

    h t t p : / / http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/11/12/politics/horserace/entry4596620.shtml?source=search_story

  8. Barring last minute changes, the nominee for Treasury Secretary will be NY Fed President Tim Geithner — a career Treasury official under both Bob Rubin and Larry Summers — who actually had worked at the Treasury in three administrations under five Secretaries — going back to 1988.

    Geithner has been a key player in the current economic crisis — helping Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson and his team manage the wall street bailout.

    Former Treasury Secretary Summers — also considered for the post — might still play a major future role in the Obama administration, according to sources. Summers came under fire from women’s groups because of controversial comments he made about gender issues while President of Harvard, but sources say the decision to choose Geithner had more to do with Obama’s interest in “change” and getting someone new on the team.

    Also expected Monday — an announcement that former U.N. Ambassador and Energy Secretary in the Clinton administration, New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, will be Commerce Secretary.

    Paul Volcker is expected to play a continuing advisory role — not clear if he would have an appointed position.

    Other economic appointments for the White house staff will likely include Dan Tarullo, a top Obama advisor, possibly as head of the National Economic Council.

    Other economic posts — perhaps at the Council of Economic advisors in the White House — could be filled by Obama economic advisors Austin Goolsbee and Jason Furman.

    *** UPDATE *** Msnbc.com’s Al Olson reports that immediately after NBC News’ report on Tim Geithner likely to be named Treasury Secretary, stocks rebounded sharply. The Dow Jones Industrial Average was trading in negative territory — down about 38 points — before the news. Moments after, the Dow zoomed more than 300 points.

    firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/11/21/1685124.aspx

  9. Judas supported NAFTA!!!! He will deal with with trade agreements with Latin america and Mexico!!!!

    there you go!!! those NAFTA opposers who supported BO!!!!!

  10. Stocks Soar on Reports of Geithner as Treasury Secretary
    The Federal Reserve Bank of New York President’s Life Mirrors Obama’s
    By CHARLES HERMAN
    ABC NEWS Business Unit
    Nov. 21, 2008
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    RSS Stocks soared late this afternoon on reports that Tim Geithner, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, will be the next secretary of the Treasury.

  11. Hm. I hope Hillary won’t take it. But till she announces her decision, she may be the most powerful woman in the world. If she accepts, up go the stock markets (at least some stocks). So I hope if she takes it, she and her friends buy lots of stocks first. 🙂 Bill might not NEED to do any work for the next 8 years.

  12. Oh well, the final nail has been put in the coffin. Hillary has accepted the SOS job In my opinion that is very bad news. All of the postering that she was giving about Obama being unelectable and unqualified was very ridiculous to say the least. The on track of nominating her after Thanksgiving was all a fraud. It was already settled long ago when she “suspended” her campaign. That why she upped her game and remained so silent during the general election. Very disappointed about this. Just another politician. Can’t wait til another woman hopefully and truthfully step up to the plate.

    This whole election was ridiculous. Her nomination hasn’t made it any better about my opinion of Obama. He just wanted her out of his hair which I said previously was the smartest move that that he made the whole election season. He really outsmarted the Clinton machine. I have to give him credit for that. The only credit that I will give him.

    I am now finished with the Clintons and the Democratic party. As the administrator said, Obama can’t be trusted. So why are you all happy that she is working for a man who can’t be trusted? Do you all now trust him? Still think that it is a bad move on her part. Now if you all criticize Obama and his presidency that would include Hillary along with him. I can still criticize him because I still don’t support him and now Hillary is included. Well eight more years of Clinton bashing on and on and on…………….They’ll probably bash them more than Obama and that would be a distraction from Obama which he strives on. This is just a distraction from him. It makes him look good in his doubters mind. This one person who haven’t even begun to even take a sip of the Obama koolaid.

    It was nice on this board while it lasted. But since the dynamics have now changed, things have come to a screeching end for me. Bye!

  13. Nothing changes – Hillary will still be attacked.

    http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlDC/television/woodward_knocks_clinton_sos_choice_101501.asp

    Now that it’s considered a foregone conclusion that Sen. Hillary Clinton will be the next secretary of State, the chattering class is weighing in, including legendary reporter Bob Woodward. FishbowlDC has obtained an advanced transcript of this weekend’s “The Chris Matthews Show”, in which the famed Washington Post reporter had this to say about Clinton’s nomination as SoS:

    Being president is about control, and tell me who ever controlled Bill or Hillary Clinton. They can’t control each other. … I think it’s because Warren Buffett and Paul Volcker and others have convinced Obama, ‘You’re going to have to focus like a laser on the economy. That’s issue Number One. And give Hillary and Bill the world.’ … I think people are fantasizing or smoking something if they think Joe Biden’s going to call Hillary Clinton up and say, ‘This is what we want you to do.’

  14. independent2008 Says:
    November 21st, 2008 at 4:08 pm
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    I don’t see anyone in this thread rejoicing about Hillary accepting SOS (which isn’t even confirmed yet). I too am disgusted that she might have to take it to keep BO from starting WWIII. Is the international world really in such bad shape that she is the only person who can do the SOS job?

    Certainly there are plenty of us here disgusted with the idea of Hillary as SOS instead of Lioness of the Senate. I don’t see her taking SOS (if she does) as support for Obama, but as a gesture of NO confidence in Obama, taking it to keep him on a short leash.

    Surprising things are happening; he’s appointing Clinton’s third term people. Maybe the Clintons are blackmailing him, making him THEIR puppet.

  15. Follow the money….

    With the well-founded announcement rumors of Clinton and Geitner acceptances, the stock markets skyrocketed.

    From daily low at 3:30 pm ET to 500 points up by closing at 4 PM ET.

  16. turndown,

    I’m not rejoicing or angry if she takes the position. I wish her well in whatever she decides and will still wholeheartedly support the Clintons in the future.

  17. AND the market volume in the last 30 minutes almost equaled the entire volume for the rest of the whole day…the other 6 hours.

  18. turndownobama-com Says:

    November 21st, 2008 at 4:34 pm
    independent2008 Says:
    November 21st, 2008 at 4:08 pm
    ===================

    I don’t see anyone in this thread rejoicing about Hillary accepting SOS (which isn’t even confirmed yet). I too am disgusted that she might have to take it to keep BO from starting WWIII.
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    Is the international world really in such bad shape that she is

    the only person who can do the SOS job?
    ——————————————————
    YES!

  19. Admin’s article about Bob Woodward transcript:

    I think it’s because Warren Buffett and Paul Volcker and others have convinced Obama, ‘You’re going to have to focus like a laser on the economy. That’s issue Number One. And give Hillary and Bill the world.’ … I think people are fantasizing or smoking something if they think Joe Biden’s going to call Hillary Clinton up and say, ‘This is what we want you to do.’

    *****
    well, if she gets that much independent, you mine as well call her co-President, and where have we heard that before?

  20. Independent and !950 Dem (that’s who you are still to me, sir.)

    The reason I am not cheering is because it is one of the most difficult jobs IN THE WORLD, other that the POTUS job, (when it is done right)…especially in times like these.

    She will need to stay healthy, strong, and focused, and cheat her friends, family and herself of time and attention…in order to do the job right.

    But she will do it…for her country.

  21. Hillary accepted the Secretary of State position…… I’m not happy about it, but I don’t blame her. This proves she’s “human” and wants to be liked. I have no doubt that she will be and AMAZING SOS.
    Hopefully people will realize what a total fraud Obama is and kick him out of office, putting her in his place.

  22. BREAKING: Bill Richardson = Commerce Secretary
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    great news for the brothel business/ a little bird told me. she also told me what I posted yesterda was dead wrong. she supported harkin from the time he first ran for congress, as opposed to the senate. Obviously not a distinction without a difference.

    ABM90-if the way I am feeling right now is any indication on the eye problem the cure is worse than the disease.

  23. cstapp08 Says:

    November 21st, 2008 at 5:17 pm
    Hillary accepted the Secretary of State position….
    ————————————————
    NYT afternoon edition and NPR saying the same…the bots are going to have a lousy weekend.

    And I can just see talking heads running back to NYCity to retape their Sunday morning blah-blah-blahs.

  24. With the well-founded announcement rumors of Clinton and Geitner acceptances, the stock markets skyrocketed.
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    mp: that was your prediction yesterday and it came true. I hope you bought some stock on that excellent assessment of yours.

  25. If Bob Woodward’s comments are broadcast as transcribed this weekend, Bob Woodward can kiss his “The CLINTONS, as only I can know them” 4 pound book ……goodbye.

  26. I’m thrilled that she’s taking the SoS role. Obama will need all the help he can get and there’s no one better than HRC. I trust her judgment.

  27. Emjay good to see you back and enjoy your fighting spirit.In this day and with the present political climate it does one good to recharge the batteries.Emotions have played a large roll in my support for Hillary and Bill.She is going to fire up world leaders with her grasp of what brought the world to the edge and what is needed to pull it back and restore peace respect and trust in our
    presence in the worlds nations.MSM will never treat her fairly in any matter that she takes on for the citizens of this country.It was a smart move for her to accept the SoS position.The senate has become a snake pit of cowardly opportunists and self serving cradle to grave leeches and fear anyone that might change their gravy train and life of leisure at taxpayers expense.Her new role in mending the ills of the world will keep me following her in her new role as a very special world problem solver.She lined up with these freeloaders in the debates and showed the country and the world what a brave brilliant woman is made of and she bowled them over.

    By ABM90 Go Hillary your 18mil voters started growing again and you have a much deserved world stage to carry out our hopes
    and dreams for your success.

  28. It is just possible that Obama wants the best in his cabinet so that he can have a successful term. Where Hillary is concerned, I don’t think she wants the fame like he does, she just wants to get the job done.

    As far as him looking good through her, who cares. The nation will benefit and that is what should matter.

  29. I don’t understand it,” Matthews bellowed. “Why would he pick her? I thought we were done with the Clintons. She’ll just use it to build her power base. It’s Machiavellian. And then we’ll have Bill Clinton, too. I thought Obama didn’t want drama. He’s already got [chief of staff Rahm] Emanuel and [transition team leader John] Podesta. He’ll have even more drama with her.
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    Admin. you are quite right the chattering class is not happy. They wanted to be done with the Clintons. They even wrote the obituary. Only the subject refused to die and goes on to make headlines and solve problems for America.

    What is the point of being world renounded pundit when the actor refuses to follow your script. Less than a month ago they had convinced themselves that they had evolved from journalist to propandaist to co-president standing proudly beside their puppet. How despondent they must be.

  30. FishbowlDC has obtained an advanced transcript of this weekend’s “The Chris Matthews Show”, in which the famed Washington Post reporter had this to say about Clinton’s nomination as SoS:

    Being president is about control, and tell me who ever controlled Bill or Hillary Clinton. They can’t control each other. … I think it’s because Warren Buffett and Paul Volcker and others have convinced Obama, ‘You’re going to have to focus like a laser on the economy. That’s issue Number One. And give Hillary and Bill the world.’ … I think people are fantasizing or smoking something if they think Joe Biden’s going to call Hillary Clinton up and say, ‘This is what we want you to do.’
    —————————————
    Q: is Warren Buffet an expert on the economy? Or is he a legendary stock picker. There is after all a difference.

    Q: is the important issue here control or results. Most people would say results. Control would matter if Obama knew what he is doing–which he does not.

    Q: do we really believe that Obama was told to let foreign affairs go and focus instead on the economy. That is not even plausible. Just remember Obama has never run a hotdog stand and his initial proposals to raise taxes especially on small business and raid retirement accounts do not inspire confidence.

  31. wbboei: Glad to see you back doing your thing keeping us informed and a bettersense of what takes place in politics.Concerning the eyes.I had been wearing glasses for over 50 years and 2 yrs ago had cataracts removed and new lenses implanted.Now have 20/25 vision and seeing better than ever dreamed was possible.The downside is the allergies and slight infections that follow when I ride my cub cadet and mow my 2 acres of grass including the weeds but I enjoy doing it and it keeps me useful.Some of the problems start when I forget to heed my wonderful mother advice.”If your eyes get itchy rub them with your elbows”.

    By ABM90

  32. “ABM90 Says:
    November 21st, 2008 at 6:10 pm
    I had been wearing glasses for over 50 years and 2 yrs ago had cataracts removed and new lenses implanted.Now have 20/25 vision and seeing better than ever dreamed was possible.”
    ******************
    Same here..It’s amazing to be able to see the alarm clock at night without putting glasses on.

  33. Hurray, Judas Richardson is gone, He gets a nothing position, and Hillary gets what he wanted.

    New Mexico will shortly have its first Female Govenor, Diane Denish. She was a ardent HRC support. She will run in her own right shortly for Governor.

    Question, do others on this blog get offers to pay you for bloggigng? I kept getting those, and wondering if they are real. My gut reaction is they are a scam.

    Just wondering.

  34. Did i not read on this board that Hillary said she did not want the SOS position?

    Now she is accepting it

    What is going on with her? Is she a glutton for punishment?

    Never ever will i beleive what any politician says again. They are all liars. I don’t know how they sleep at night.

  35. For a 7th year in a row, the universal drama queen award goes to…drum roll please………………

    CHRIS MATTHEWS!!!

    Please join me in congratulating this media moron for once again crying in his soup more times than anyone else, peeing his pants and stomping his feet when he doesn’t get his way, and finally showing that his new age labotomy has finally kicked in!

  36. By ABM90 Go Hillary your 18mil voters started growing again and you have a much deserved world stage to carry out our hopes
    and dreams for your success.
    ————————————–
    I think that is correct, and what she believes as well. I really saw the senate as a deadend for her and the role she would have to play if she stayed there none of us would have liked.

    I just spoke to a good friend in Washington DC who was on the other side. Some people I used to know are in line for some key positions. The ones mentioned were not the brightest bulbs.

    He mentioned that bambi is trying to study what went wrong that caused the big mid term losses in 1994. My comment back to him was history is not an accuate guide unless you go back to ’29.

    ABM90: yes it is amazing what they can do with eye surgery. I had lazic surgery and do not need glasses any more–except to read fine print.

  37. neetabug Says:

    November 21st, 2008 at 6:49 pm
    Did i not read on this board that Hillary said she did not want the SOS position?

    Now she is accepting it

    What is going on with her? Is she a glutton for punishment?

    Never ever will i beleive what any politician says again. They are all liars. I don’t know how they sleep at night
    ——————————————————————————————————————–

    I don’t think I ever read that she did not want SOS. Certainly, not as definite as no VP.

    This has the potential to be a good role for her, but I don’t trust BO. BO needs all the help that he can get; on all fronts, domestic and foreign.
    ————————————————————-

    Jan: Chris Matthews is the moronic drama queen of the media. He does need an lobotomy. I wonder, how much blood pressure medication he takes. It must be astronomical.

  38. # SHV Says:
    November 21st, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    “ABM90 Says:
    November 21st, 2008 at 6:10 pm
    I had been wearing glasses for over 50 years and 2 yrs ago had cataracts removed and new lenses implanted.Now have 20/25 vision and seeing better than ever dreamed was possible.”
    ******************
    Same here..It’s amazing to be able to see the alarm clock at night without putting glasses on.

    Me three. What a godsend. I didn’t have any money so I was sent to “Mission Cataract” and the best doctor in this city did it for free. It has been at least ten years and I am still so thrilled!

  39. November 21st, 2008 at 4:08 pm
    independent2008 Says:

    “So why are you all happy that she is working for a man who can’t be trusted? ”

    * * * * *
    Because Hillary can be trusted and the world needs her – we need her in the world. She is both pragmatist and patriot. Hillary is still my shero.

  40. I am not sure O wants to do any work or has many opinions. He may do what has worked so well so far. Let Hillary pretty much formulate policy and operate on it, so long as he gets a good name out of it.

    He does see the value of a Clinton III for having a try at a successful term. Aren’t a lot of heads going to explode!

    Happy for Hillary

  41. NMF

    Companies (think Axlegrease’s astroturf company) like campaigns, PR firms, chat room advertizing, and fake friends on social networks are always scanning for well spoken, well written, actors…I believe you are great at the two former attributes. and have never seen you on stage, so can’t comment.

    Be careful you don’t end up a paid Bot.
    ,

  42. wbboei…you said

    He mentioned that bambi is trying to study what went wrong that caused the big mid term losses in 1994. My comment back to him ….
    ———————————–
    Well, my comment back to him is

    Newt is a brilliant speaker – politically incorrect, but brilliant.

    He is

    organized
    ruthless
    a liar

    Knows how uninformed most voters are, so can use, w/o being called out, a tool like “Contract For America.”

    a gossip monger who is holier=than-thou.

    a sexist
    a mysoginistic sexist with same type friends.

    So Stinky better keep Meesch and the girls quiet for the next 2 tears.

  43. I don’t know if I can reconcile myself to Hillary Clinton serving under Barack Obama. I know that Hillary Clinton will certainly be a big help in solving our country’s problems. But I can’t help but feel disappointed that all the media bias, misogyny and race-baiting done has not and will not be addressed. I am also disappointed with the caucus results that helped propel Obama to the presidency but I have accepted that as part of the game of politics. If you can’t guard against cheating then you deserve to lose, IMHO.(cynical, I know)

    The only way that I can be reconciled with this I think will be a sincere apology from the Obama campaign acknowledging the race-baiting that they perpetrated and the misogyny that they fostered. I would also like them to rebuke the media for the bias that was so obvious during the primaries and the general election campaign.

    This is not going to happen so I can only console myself in the knowledge that Hillary Clinton is doing what she thinks is best for the country right now. Fighting misogyny and media bias takes a back seat to the economy and rebuilding our status in the international arena for now.

  44. The Revolution won’t be televised. When it happens, it won’t be a Revolution.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    So Obambi was supposed to be the Big Change, the Breath of Fresh Air (not that I believed it for a second), to tear down the Establishment.

    But in order to win, he had to become the Establishment.

    Clinton was then supposed to twist in the wind. Except for the fact that vast chunks of the Bill Clinton administration are – SURPRISE!!! – back again. That may even include Hillary herself!

    So the Clintons, while officially having lost this round, have their power around. In other words, the hidden establishment made some cute deal to give Obama the Reign, but not the reins of power. He is to be controlled. He made some kind of deal. Just like W.

    “You’re going to play the president, and be respected. We’ll tell you when to talk.”

  45. NEW SOAP OPERA COMING SOON:

    …AS THE BOTS SEETHE

    With an all star cast:
    Arianna Huffington: Mrs Huffy
    Markos kasamoosatosis: Mr. Daily
    Sarah Silverman: a germ cell
    Bruce Springsteen: Rich Guy in a Mansion, in jeans
    Chris Matthews: a fire hydrant

  46. wbboei

    Now we just need Kerry to be appointed Ambassador to Latvia so he can have his daily ration of beluga caviar.

    wbboei:

    Richardson, Kerry and __?______needed homes after Hill became SoS when we last talked. Who is ? I can’t remember.

  47. Question everyone
    ———————

    If Hillary takes SOS and resigns from the senate. Can Chelsea Clinton run for her mother’s seat? She is 28 – does she qualify? Does anyone know?

  48. Helene Cooper-New York Times

    Keep an eye out for her. She just beat back Gwen Iffil (PBS) and Pete Williams (NBC) as they tried to beat up on HRC on Gwen’s own PBS Washington Week.

    She will get an “good on ya” email and another 2 eyeballs from me.

  49. Folks, this is just a precursor for Hillary running in 12, Obama will be beseiged by lawsuits and unable to run again, since he ran so fraudulently this time. She will be co president again! This time with a cabinet position!

  50. I’m seeing a cartoon:

    Hillary on a world stage platform with heads of state looking up to her.

    Obama in the Oval Office on the phone: “I agree with Hillary.”

  51. Secret Says:
    If Hillary takes SOS and resigns from the senate. Can Chelsea Clinton run for her mother’s seat? She is 28 – does she qualify? Does anyone know?
    ========================

    What a lovely thought! (Perhaps the Governor of NY would need to make the appointment but it’s still a lovely thought!)

  52. PS: And wouldn’t the bots explode!!!!!

    turndownobama-com Says:
    November 21st, 2008 at 8:44 pm
    Secret Says:
    If Hillary takes SOS and resigns from the senate. Can Chelsea Clinton run for her mother’s seat? She is 28 – does she qualify? Does anyone know?
    ========================

    What a lovely thought! (Perhaps the Governor of NY would need to make the appointment but it’s still a lovely thought!)

  53. turndownobama-com
    Thanks, I had been hoping Chelsea would become the junior senator from New York. Her mother is SOS. Her dad is President Clinton!! The possibilities…wow. Lovely. Thanks for acknoweldging that it would be nice.

  54. Secret

    Forgot to add- Paterson has to appoint someone to fill seat…could be Chelsea, or Hill’s friend Nijna who is a House member right now.

    To become the Senate Lioness or Lion, one needs to be as good at designing and passing legislation as Kennedy or Clinton or Byrd or Stevens.

    And because of seniority rules, it would never have happened for Hill… she started too late in her life. And that is just a fact . Schummer will always be the senior NY Senator…until he is kicked upstairs.

    I think our girl thought out that fact as well as how she could do best things for her country.

    She is practical, as well as smart. We here are smart…but not always practical.

  55. Emjay,
    I think, it is best she gets out of that useless Senate job that will take her no where. I hear, Chelsea is interested in political office. I wish they would get her seat for Chelsea. She can keep a low profile and be a junior senator and learn the ropes for the next 8 years – she will be 35 by then. Who knows what happens after that!!

  56. wbboei Says:
    November 21st, 2008 at 7:07 pm
    By ABM90 Go Hillary your 18mil voters started growing again and you have a much deserved world stage to carry out our hopes
    and dreams for your success.
    ————————————–
    I think that is correct, and what she believes as well. I really saw the senate as a deadend for her and the role she would have to play if she stayed there none of us would have liked.
    =============================

    Well with all the support she will have around her as SOS, other 90s Clintonistas in the cabinet as well as world leaders, maybe she can in fact take the lead and let BO trot along trying to catch up….

    Hm, where does your International Soros Conspiracy fit into this? Weren’t the Clintons FOR some sort of new world order in the 90s? Third way? Globalization with a human face?

  57. I hear that Clinton being on the world stage as SOS is far more powerful than being a junior senator from NY even after getting 18M votes. No one recognised her sature in the senate. What’s the point? Being a SOS at teh crucial point in our history and making a difference would be great. I wish her all the best & wish her enormous success. I love you Hillary.

  58. NewMexicoFan Says:
    Question, do others on this blog get offers to pay you for bloggigng? I kept getting those, and wondering if they are real. My gut reaction is they are a scam

    ====================

    I’ve never got any. If I did, I might try it. 🙂

  59. What a lovely thought. NY Gov appoints Chelsea to keep Hillary’s Senate Seat warm till it expires in 2012. Then they figure out what to do next.

  60. Secret

    FYF:

    New York
    Ackerman, Gary, New York, 5th
    Arcuri, Michael A., New York, 24th
    Bishop, Timothy, New York, 1st
    Clarke, Yvette D., New York, 11th
    Crowley, Joseph, New York, 7th
    Engel, Eliot, New York, 17th
    Fossella, Vito, New York, 13th
    Gillibrand, Kirsten E., New York, 20th
    Hall, John J., New York, 19th
    Higgins, Brian, New York, 27th
    Hinchey, Maurice, New York, 22nd
    Israel, Steve, New York, 2nd
    King, Pete, New York, 3rd
    Kuhl Jr., John R. “Randy”, New York, 29th
    ———————————-
    Lowey, Nita, New York, 18th
    ———————————–
    McCarthy, Carolyn, New York, 4th
    McHugh, John M., New York, 23rd
    McNulty, Michael R., New York, 21st
    Maloney, Carolyn, New York, 14th
    Meeks, Gregory W., New York, 6th
    Nadler, Jerrold, New York, 8th
    Rangel, Charles B., New York, 15th
    Reynolds, Thomas M., New York, 26th
    Serrano, José E., New York, 16th
    Slaughter, Louise, New York, 28th
    Towns, Edolphus, New York, 10th
    ———————————-
    Velázquez, Nydia M., New York, 12th
    —————————————
    Walsh, Jim, New York, 25th
    Weiner, Anthony D., New York, 9th

    One of the “N” first names is the HillFriend I was talking about. Probably easy to research.

  61. Today, two things really important happened and most people missed their significance because the media did not report them. They were;

    1. Obama let the big media report that the secretary of state position was offered to Hillary Clinton, and then did a partial renege. On CNN Bliztzer first announced it was a done deal and then received a memo from the Obama campaign saying it was not. Hillary covered him by saying same thing. A major gaffe by Obama.

    (Note: he is taking heat from the left on this appointment. Thus, by pulling back he allows them to pile on and prolong their attack on him. If he tries to renege, he will have hell to pay with world leaders and key democrats. If he pulls out he will be a laughing stock. Also, he is sending mixed signals to his press allies which makes them look like fools to their audiences. You can only wonder what Bliztzer said off camera.)

    2. Obama appointed the former head of the Federal Reserve for New York to be Secretary of the Treasury. He is someone whom Hillary has been consulting with for months to find solutions for our economy. She recommended him to Obama and finally today Obama accepted.

    Obambi, obambi, obambi this aint Kansas no more. It aint even Chicago where Mayor Daley runs the show and the combine rules apply. In Washington there are many souces of power. On the world stage it only gets more complex. On this stage you dont take someone of Hillarys stature and jerk them around. Maybe you can pull that shit in the party but not here.

    There are wolves in this arena bambi. They dont lie down with little fawns like you they eat them. Even the whoremasters in the press will not tolerate your incompetence indefinitely. Not when it causes them to look bad. So perhaps you should spend less time worrying about what happened in 1994, and more time worrying about what you do now. It is a different world and you are swimming with sharks and uncle tony cannot protect you. Poor Bambi.

  62. If Bambi had any common sense he would restrain Reid and Pelosi from offering auto industry bail outs, would limit new spending and would pull back on his draconian tax policies. The moment he signs those bills into law, he can no longer blame Bush for the economic disaster. He then becomes the lightening rod. That is grave mistake and yet he is committed to doing it. Le bon temps roule. Look at that gaudy innauguration he has planned. What kind of message does that send?

  63. I laughed our loud at your last comment.
    ————————————–
    Secret, the fact that you laughed is to your credit because as someone once said life is a comedy to those who think (and a tragedy of those like me who feel).

    Hillarys brain power and political instincts are unmatched. So is her work ethic. A friend told me today she can get more work done before 6 am than Bambi can get done in two weeks. That is why so many New Yorkers republicans and democrats alike campaigned for her on their own nickel in places like Indiana, Ohio, Massachusetts and elsewhere. She doesnt just talk she delivers. She is an extraordinary human being.

  64. Richardson in the cabinet, somewhere?

    Hm. He’s personally Judas, but as for doing the job, he must have had some qualifications for the Clintons to hire him in the 90s.

    So can we count him part of the Clinton Restoration?

    Once Judas always Judas. With all the other Clintonistas in power around him, maybe comes a crisis he’ll switch back. 🙂

  65. im reading you guys are funny neetabug..lol..yeah your right ..but at least we wont have anyone going uhh ghh uhhhs at world leaders lol..
    and if it was someone else as sos we wont be here,,will be in huts…on the streets ..
    shes still my hero..my inspiration,no matter what .Ill trust her more than anyone too.GO Hillary!!!and the platform her head held high for OUr Country and getting the JOB Done she will and can do it…She mys well be President!!
    and hillary can go to judas na na na i got it..he was good back then but i think now he is not in his right mind..
    and good for Newmexico…
    and daschle no annocuncement yet ..his wife has some dealings..south dakota will never elect him for anything..
    and now after all these vetting washington insiders..How about vetting this Man barrack Obama!!!
    I agrree with you confloyd hell have to many lawsuits!!!

  66. Emjay,

    I’m not cheering at her maybe taking SOS (not even confirmed yet). I’m kind of smirking at the REACTION this is getting worldwide. And in context of so many other Clinton Restoration people in the new cabinet. And the possibility of her having struck a deal with the Gov of NY and someone to keep her Senate seat warm….

    With all this support behind her, she might kick some ass even as SOS — starting with Obama’s.

  67. CJ: Isn’t it ironic, everyone else is being vetted, but BO himself?

    I guess, MO didn’t veto SOS, like she did with VP.

  68. Hog Fat Morris on Fox spouting his venom about Hillarys inexperience and her appointment to SoS will be a disaster.This mistake of nature is the lowest form of a human being that has an ongoing agenda of jealousy toward the Clintons.They kicked him out of the whitehouse and he has been loser ever since.FOX k eeps around for their dirty work as needed.He evidently tried to steal Hillarys shoes and got caught. This pervert is a lowlife and could crawl under a snake’s belly with a high hat on his head.

    By ABM90 Women of the world will now see their champion
    roll up her sleeves and go to work healing and uniting a very troubled world.

  69. Secret

    Found this for you-

    Qualifications Necessary to Run for Office.

    Although they need not belong to a political party, candidates must meet certain minimum requirements to run for various offices. For example, according to the U.S. Constitution, to serve in the U.S. House of Representatives a candidate must have been a U.S. citizen for at least seven years, be a resident of the state (and usually the district) he or she will represent, and be at least 25 years old.

    To serve in the U.S. Senate, a candidate must have been a U.S. citizen for at least nine years, be a resident of the state he or she will represent, and be at least 30 years old.

    To become president of the United States, a candidate must have lived in the country for at least 14 years, be a natural-born U.S. citizen, and be at least 35 years old.

  70. CJ: Isn’t it ironic, everyone else is being vetted, but BO himself?

    I guess, MO didn’t veto SOS, like she did with VP.

    its is ironic ..Its about time this media and this press gets going and vet The Man Barack Obama Elect. before taken office..
    and the toe jerk morris is spewing his hate for hillary he is just a jealous fool..
    But another something is going on he is either gonna be the puppet for the dems..and he only talks when he needs to.hillary is his boss behind the walls lol…all the world leaders think ob isnt fit for the job..they heard him talk uhhs mmmms uhhhs uggs lol..judas makes me ill..i dont think he is fit for that job…like ob..lol

  71. He evidently tried to steal Hillarys shoes and got caught. This pervert is a lowlife and could crawl under a snake’s belly with a high hat on his head.Lmao i can see that pervert doing that tooo..

  72. ABM90 Says:
    [Morris] evidently tried to steal Hillarys shoes and got caught.
    =================

    LOL! Great image!

    =================
    By ABM90 Women of the world will now see their champion
    roll up her sleeves and go to work healing and uniting a very troubled world.
    ===============

    Hm, global women’s and children’s issues trickling down to the US….

  73. I simply do not understand why, with all the “political experts” out there, that the media continues to use “B Grade” hacks like Morris and Brazille for analysis.

  74. I’m seeing another cartoon.

    First frame, primaries: Hillary and friends running smoothly toward the White House, Obama jumps in front.

    Next frame: Obama stuck on the cow-catcher on the front of the train looking foolish as Hillary and friends take over the White House.

  75. that the media continues to use “B Grade” hacks like Morris and Brazille for analysis.Jan i wonder about that too there isnt any smart people out there..other than the same ole same ole who spew hate towards someone who cannot defend themselves..they should be banned from putting people on the air spewing hate towards a Human being..when they even aren’t around them..like brazille mathews morris and all the media haters who bash spew hate should be fired..we need people to report the real news.there rating have fallen i hope they all go off the air and bankrupt them from not watching them

  76. turndown

    third way was nothing fancy, neither right nor left.

    just the way (usually middle) that would take a big bite of an answer, or solution, from both the progressive and the conservative sides.

    Or from two or more oppositional parties.

    Mediators and family therapists use the concept all the time…I have never said the word out loud here, but used to use, and teach, it.

    It’s a dirty word=== are you ready? It is … TRIANGULATION

  77. Morris belongs under a rock. Why did he try to steal Hillary’s shoes?

    How can anyone take that slimey toad seriously? He gets paid for being an idiot.

  78. “So now we’re looking at Bill Clinton’s senior adviser as chief of staff; his wife as secretary of state;
    his acting attorney general as AG; his impeachment lawyer, Greg Craig, as counsel; his chief of staff,
    John Podesta, as transition chief; Gore’s counsel, Lisa Brown, as staff secretary; and Gore’s chief of staff, Ron Klain, as Biden’s chief of staff. Boy, it’s a good thing Hillary didn’t get elected; she would have just given us a recycled version of the Clinton administration.” — Howie Kurtz
    ==============

    Finest kind! He’s missing some though: Treasury Sec, Richardson as whatever….

  79. What does Richardson know, that qualifies him for Commerce Secretary?

    Treasury Secretary is new. Summers will be a senior advisor.

  80. birdgal Says:
    November 21st, 2008 at 10:33 pm
    Morris belongs under a rock. Why did he try to steal Hillary’s shoes?
    ================

    To sell to Inelda of DailyMarkos.

  81. rikya

    rickya Says:

    November 21st, 2008 at 8:06 pm
    I don’t know if I can reconcile myself to Hillary Clinton serving under Barack Obama. I know that Hillary Clinton will certainly be a big help in solving our country’s problems. YES!

    But I can’t help but feel disappointed that all the media bias, misogyny and race-baiting done has not and will not be addressed.

    NOT TRUE. SEVERAL OF US HERE ARE HOOKED INTO LYNN FORESTER’S SITE. WBBOEI OR I OR DJIA CAN SEND YOU HER EMAIL IF YOU WANT TO GET INVOLVED TOO

    I am also disappointed with the caucus results that helped propel Obama to the presidency but I have accepted that as part of the game of politics. If you can’t guard against cheating then you deserve to lose, IMHO.(cynical, I know)

    SEE DR LYNETTE LONG. SHE HAS ALREADY WRITTEN A LONG REPORT RE THE CAUCUSES AND I BELIEVE IS PART OF A LAWSUIT INVOLVING THE FEC.

    The only way that I can be reconciled with this I think will be a sincere apology from the Obama campaign acknowledging the race-baiting

    AGAIN, SEE LADY LYNN’S EMAIL, WHICH I WILL POST FOR YOU BELOW

    that they perpetrated and the misogyny that they fostered. I would also like them to rebuke the media for the bias that was so obvious during the primaries and the general election campaign.

    This is not going to happen so I can only console myself in the knowledge that Hillary Clinton is doing what she thinks is best for the country right now.

    TRUE

    Fighting misogyny and media bias takes a back seat to the economy and rebuilding our status in the international arena for now.

    NOT NECESSARILY.. IT CAN STILL BE DONE.

    ====================================

    Together4US

    Dear Emjay,

    At the end of this long campaign, I am writing to congratulate and thank you for your steadfast work on behalf of our country. All of us are probably not pleased with the outcome of the election, but we all accept it and will do our individual part to continue to serve the best interest of this nation we love.

    Before we all go back to our day jobs, I am contacting you once again for your help. My personal journey in this campaign has made me painfully aware of two deeply disturbing realities of our political process; namely, partisanship and sexism. These two are not related but both are rampant in our politics and seriously interfere with the progress of our society. I have seen how fundamental principles have been abandoned by our leaders and the media in favor of partisan power and irrational bias. As a result, both of these lethal trends are getting stronger in our body politic My interest in both the partisanship and sexism in the 2008 Presidential election leads me to ponder if there is a role for this site in helping to resolve either issue.

    Perhaps you have completely tired of politics by this point and need a rest. I certainly understand that position. But, in the event that you are energized by what you have experienced, I am using this site to ask you to send me your thoughts on whether we can – or should – try to promote change in our national partisanship and/or rampant sexism. I am particularly interested in knowing your thoughts on how we might address these issues through:

    * this website
    * existing organizations or websites
    * existing articles, presentations or reports (please send them or a link to them)
    * interesting individuals from either party who may participate
    * any other thoughts and strategies

    Please send me your comments by going to together4us.com and post your ideas in the Comments section. That way they can be viewed by many people and commented on by others.

    And, if you would like to personally be involved in any way in an effort to forge a solution to the corrosive affect of party politics and gender bias, please email me directly at lynn@together4us.com.

    Once again, I want to thank you for everything you did in this election and I am very pleased that in some way our paths have crossed at this time. I trust we will have the opportunity to do some good together in the future……together4us.

    I wish you well.

    Sincerely yours,
    Lynn Forester de Rothschild

  82. Speaking of backstabbers, anyone heard anything from Patti Solis-Doyle (chief backstabber)?? I thought she was supposed to be something with the office of the VP, what happened to that?? I hadn’t heard her name in a long, long time.

  83. birdgal Says:

    November 21st, 2008 at 10:55 pm
    What does Richardson know, that qualifies him for Commerce Secretary?

    ——————–
    All he knows is that his title will start with ” Mr. Secretary”

  84. BTW, The talk that Hillary’s SoS appointment is “on track” means one thing: She and Obama are still discussing what exactly the job will entail and what the priorities are.

  85. btw

    I keep forgetting to point out that MO has not been a practicing atty for 15 years…

    Question to Okieatty, Southernborn(?) and others: doesn’t that affect her license to practice, or something?

  86. Chelsea Clinton can run for the Senate. We just need to seal her birth certificate, and forget when she was born.

    I just had to say that.

    Thanks for the compliments on blogging, but these are messages that fall in my spam folder. I guess the bigger question is where are they getting my email, as I only blog here. Don’t get me wrong, I initially blogged a few other places, maybe once, but it is here I like to lurk. I still think they are a fake offers. They probably want upfront money of some sorts.

    However, recently I did get a phone call about a relative that had died and left something to the family. Would you believe it, it turned out to be true, and this was the poor side of the family. The person must have saved every cent, and now his extended family (actually mostly the state and the lawyers) will get it all. I say enjoy your money, and of course blog.

  87. I been reading what the toad morris is saying about the SOS, what is Brazoid saying?? Is she just as nasty?? I thought she had bambi in her pocket???

  88. I also understand Schumer wanted a less famous person as his co-senator in New York, so is this part of his payback for the job of escorting Hillary down to hit the button for New York to go to the fraud??? This whole thing stinks of paybacks and vendettas, sounds like new beginnings to me! Caroline Kennedy supposedly getting her senate seat, is this why Teddy is letting Hillary help with UHC?? THey are all crooks!

  89. Could someone pls tell me what kind of experience Tom Daschle has to become the sec. of health and human services?? What the heck does he know about this field??

  90. “# confloyd Says:
    November 22nd, 2008 at 1:06 am
    Could someone pls tell me what kind of experience Tom Daschle has to become the sec. of health and human services?? What the heck does he know about this field??”
    **************
    (snip)
    he has signed on as a Senior Policy Advisor with the K Street law firm Alston & Bird.[16][17] Health care interests, including CVS Caremark, the National Association for Home Care and Hospice, Abbott Laboratories and HealthSouth, are among the firm’s lobbying clients.[4] The firm was paid $5.8 million between January and September 2008 to represent companies and associations before Congress and the executive branch, with 60 percent of that money coming from the health industry.[5] Daschle was recruited by the former Republican Senate Minority Leader Bob Dole. Daschle has refused to discuss his salary, but Dole, performing a similar role at the firm, has said he makes in the region of $800,000 to $1 million per year. [18]
    (snip)

  91. Caroline Kennedy supposedly getting her senate seat, is this why Teddy is letting Hillary help with UHC?? THey are all crooks!
    ——————————————
    Neoptism at its worst. Caroline has done nothing of substance in her life and has no rightful claim to this position. If anyone deserves this position is it RFK Jr. That is who we should be pushing. He was a strong Hillary supporter and a forward looking statesman. The kind of Kennedy this country needs. If anyone knows a good way to push for him I think that is well worth doing for lots of reasons.

    Admin do you have any thoughts on this? It could be significant in terms of 2012.

  92. shv, so if I am reading your post right, he was recruited by a republican to PROTECT the interests of the HealthSouth’s, CVA’s of healthcare and not the average joe, right?? I don’t think Obama really wants to do UHC, his plan suxs. I wonder if Teddy really wants it, I guess he probably does, and maybe Daschle is just a “yes” man. I am really hoping to get it this time, so I don’t have to work until I am 65 just to keep insurance.
    Someone asked about the bar, its going, its a slow time of the year, we have had some good nights and some not so good, it will take time to get our clients built up, until then I will work and hope for UHC.

  93. When bambi offered, she accepted, the press reported, the far left whinedand the country + the world cheered it became a done deal. He needs to give her the authority to do the job and as bob woodward to adroitly put it focus on the economy with lazer like intensity. Then again he could skip the lazer and just tell Pelosi and Reid to pull in their horns on tax and spend programs on the legislative docket and leave our retirement savings alone. The father of a friend of mine was president of the newspaper publishers association a generation ago. He knew Ben Bradley its long time editor. He told the father that before Watergate he was prepared to fire Woodward and Burnstein for not living up to the newspapers standards. Today, Washpo has low standards and its blog affilitate Politico has no standards. The vetting process they went through to corroborate the Watergate story was thorough and intense. Today that is a lost art.

  94. “Neoptism at its worst. Caroline has done nothing of substance in her life and has no rightful claim to this position. If anyone deserves this position is it RFK Jr. That is who we should be pushing. He was a strong Hillary supporter and a forward looking statesman. The kind of Kennedy this country needs. If anyone knows a good way to push for him I think that is well worth doing for lots of reasons.

    Admin do you have any thoughts on this? It could be significant in terms of 2012.”
    *************
    He has been mentioned as a possibility for head of the EPA. I don’t know much about him but that he is an anti-vaccine activist..which make me question his judgment.

  95. “So now we’re looking at Bill Clinton’s senior adviser as chief of staff; his wife as secretary of state;
    his acting attorney general as AG; his impeachment lawyer, Greg Craig, as counsel; his chief of staff,
    John Podesta, as transition chief; Gore’s counsel, Lisa Brown, as staff secretary; and Gore’s chief of staff, Ron Klain, as Biden’s chief of staff. Boy, it’s a good thing Hillary didn’t get elected; she would have just given us a recycled version of the Clinton administration.” — Howie Kurtz
    ———————————————
    The progressive bench is not–how shall I put it–very deep. Kucchinich for secretary of state would be fine if the state we want to have good relations with is the planet Mars. Little green people live there and Dennis is fluent in their language.

  96. “confloyd Says:
    November 22nd, 2008 at 2:07 am
    shv, so if I am reading your post right, he was recruited by a republican to PROTECT the interests of the HealthSouth’s, CVA’s of healthcare and not the average joe, right??
    ************
    Daschle is just another DC revolving door wh*re. UHC is a dead issue. I am surprised, however, that American business isn’t pushing hard for UHC. The Auto industry is a good example. The “Big Three are paying 100 time more for health care benefits that is Toyota. I would be willing to bail-out those greedy incompetent bast*rds in trade for UHC.

  97. “Ron Klain, as Biden’s chief of staff.”
    *************
    But that was supposed to be Patty’s job. Another turncoat bites the dust.

  98. I was sorry to see that bambi did not select Mike Gravel for UN Ambassador.

    During the debates, he electified us with his Hugo Chavez-like attacks on the United States. Also, he proved that senility is not a condition to be taken lightly.

    Given those talents, he could stand in the well of the General Assembly and carry on in the exact same manner. This would have two advantages.

    First, it would save bambi the time and trouble of appologizing to the world as he did to the Germans when he went to berlin and did that.

    Second, it would save Chavez, Khadafi, Putin, and the rest of our enemies the time and trouble of attacking the United States. They could stay at home and watch a command performance on c-span. Mike would take no prisoners.

    Mike had a sex scandal when he was senator from Alaska. A lobbyist I met went to see his wife the day after it was made public. She was in tears. The lobbyist asked her why since she knew what Mike was. She said knowing what he is is one thing. Reading about it on the front page of the Washington Post is something else.

    Seems like Richardson was UN Ambassador once wasnt he?

    As we saw in the debates until they stopped inviting him was that could stand up in the well of the General Assembly and bash the United States almost as well as bambi can.

  99. after Hillary takes oath as SoS, I have this feeling that watching her on TV, I will still be thinking Madame President…she just has that gravitas, she’s so…Presidential.

    Problem is that no matter where she goes, she outsizes everyone – they wanted to create a special role for her in the Senate…she’ll seem more Presidential than Opie in the Office.

    playing devil’s advocate for a second, if I were Opie, I don’t think I would have put her on such platform – she’ll garner more press than anyone else who was SoS simply because of who she is and who Bill is, she will overshadow BO, and the public will still be schizophrenic about who’s really President here.

  100. But that was supposed to be Patty’s job. Another turncoat bites the dust.
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    The best place for Patty would be as Richardsons chief of staff. That way the two traitors could keep eachother honest.

  101. For those of you who haven’t turned your TV back on after the election, may I draw your attention to an ad for plates — an Obama plate, to be precise.

    The announcer starts by telling us that it commemorates the day “the world changed”. I point this out only because after more fact-based reporting, we are warned that, because of demand, we can only buy two plates per household. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

    Just my little bit to help with your Christmas lists.

  102. We are about to see history being written with HRC as the new SoS.When she talks everyone listens and they hear solutions to problems not pandering for worship and money.Obama has placed himself in a corner and will be just another failed would be monarch with no clothes lost in a crowd of former Clinton’s brain trusters that brought this country back economically and financially to a world recognition of our leadership.Yes my friends the tide is turning as we planned and Hillary along with Bill will show the world what real patriots and leaders can do for their country.Bless you Administration we are going to need you and this site to keep us informed and involved in this great rescue of our faltering homeland.Never again can we trust the MSM to give us a clear and factual picture of the days news.As long as there is massive wealth in their owners hands the news will be slanted and tainted with lies by the slimey anchors and commentators along with greedy members of our congress.Admin keep us aware and we will continue our battle for a new day in our recently tainted and stolen Election Process.

    By ABM90 Charged up and ready to keep up the fight for our great nation

  103. Morning.

    I’m sitting here drinking my coffee and trying to get a handle on the (unofficial) pick of Geithner as Sec. of Terasury. On the one hand, there’s ALOT to admire with respect to Geithner… he’s young, smart , innovative in a restrained sort of way , relishes a challenge, and is definitely someone who thinks outside the box. On the other hand…we are in a HUGE mess right now, and I’m just not confident that he has the experience to lead us out of this economic crisis.

    I certainly would have prefered Summers…the man, for all his shortcomings, is utterly brilliant. But I can see alot of potential with Geithner that I wouldn’t neccesarily see if Summers had gotten the appointment. In short , I think the only REAL change we’re likely to see with respect to an Obama Admin., will come about through Geithner. Will that change be a boon or a disaster, though…that’s the question. And I honestly don’t know.

  104. # Emjay Says:
    November 21st, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    btw

    I keep forgetting to point out that MO has not been a practicing atty for 15 years…

    Question to Okieatty, Southernborn(?) and others: doesn’t that affect her license to practice, or something?

    *******************************************
    james4america.wordpress.com/2008/10/04/michelle-obama-does-not-have-a-law-license-in-illinois/
    A check of the State of Illinois Bar Association website shows no bar license for “Michelle Robinson” or “Michelle Obama”. It has been reported that Michelle Obama “voluntarily” gave up her law license in 1993, just five years after she got the license.

    Why would a black woman who worked at a prestigious law firm in Chicago, who had graduated from one of the most prestigious law schools in the country, and who had endured the grueling task of sitting for the bar exam TWICE, then voluntarily give up her law license?

    Many who have been admitted to the Bar go on to pursue other careers, but because of the process to get the law license, they usually maintain it in good standing. Barack Obama has placed his law license into “inactive” status since his campaign began.

    While it has no bearing on Barack Obama, per se, it makes one very curious as to why this educated woman “voluntarily” gave up her law license!!

  105. freckles,

    As I was channel-turning, I came across that commercial and just about choked! Disgusted doesn’t even begin to describe how I felt about that “plate.” 😉

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    wbboei,

    “Kucchinich for secretary of state would be fine if the state we want to have good relations with is the planet Mars.”

    LMAO!!!

    Maybe Patty can find a place in either of these do-nothing offices: Richardson or Caroline’s new play office. Both are throw-away appointments.

  106. With Caroline getting a job that required no effort on her part, the Kennedy legacy (including the good and the bad parts) continues. Does this mean Teddy can finally go home and stay there?

  107. Media listen up!!!

    The only drama going on here is the one you keep perpetrating. You can’t believe that Obama’s change = Clinton mania, so all you can do is blame Hillary for all the rumors that you yourselves keep spinning in a frenzy. I never thought you could sink much lower, boy was I wrong!

    I hear they are looking for news people on Mars so…

  108. Friday, November 21, 2008
    The Far Left Prepared To ‘Go To War’ With Obama Before He Takes Office

    To Obama supporters- Quit crying, you got what you asked for.

    [it’s not like we here at big pink didn’t warn them! 😀 ]

    Seems that a frontrunner, according to the rumor mill, “John Brennan remains the favorite to be nominated director of the Central Intelligence Agency” and the far left is not happy and are already threatening to “go to war” with Barack Obama, before he even takes office.

    Democratic and national security sources say that former National Counterrorism Center head John Brennan remains the favorite to be nominated director of the Central Intelligence Agency even as his pending appointment raises the hackles of some Obama advisers because of his ties to George Tenet and controversial programs.

    Andrew Sullivan talks a big game here on this issue, stating:

    It’s fine not to uproot the entire agency and to have some continuity. But for Obama to appoint a Bush-Cheney apologist to the CIA? How on earth did this idea get this far?

    lot’s more fun stuff to read about how the bots are exploding….so to continue reading….

    wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/11/far-left-prepared-to-go-to-war-with.html

  109. Alway beward of the person who promises the moon, and who gave plenty of evidence that he lied. Because you will end up with the same old shit.

    That is also true when you hire people. Someone saying they can do everything is a fraud. A person who give you an honest evaluation of what they can and cannot do is a better choice. There are employers who even give trick questions as they know this. O was exhibiting the wrong trait all along.

    To be truthful with you, they have know right to be angry, as he showed all along he would do this. So to borrow their phrase to the women’s groups etc. Maybe you should do as you told us, GET OVER IT and bend over and get SCXXX.

    HE USED YOU.

  110. This kind of reminds me of the people, men and women, who start affairs with married people. Usually it ends in disaster. However, sometimes they divorce, and marry them, and then they cheat on them. Now why did they think they would do otherwise.

    It is the same with the O Koolaid drinkers. You watch him lie, and suppress information to what you consider to be the enemy. Now he is doing the same to you. A leapard does not change his spots. THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS (lies, fraud, suppression) . That always was the philopsophy of the O campaign. and the Democrats in 2008 in order to win.

  111. Well very interesting turn of events and so predictable of the outcome. I’am glad to see Clinton people, oh I forgot, Obama people in areas of importance to me but I’m not surprised, where is he going to go to?

    Carter administration? George W. Bush? What’s left Bill Clint’s successful 2 term administration…..you betcha!

    I’m tired of the Democrats and is an Independent I like Sarah Palin and have been over at Team Sarah because one thing this election shown me is that WOMEN are still expendable and will be “thrown under the bus, and we will never progress if we don’t stop letting men control us at our basic level.

    My country is too important for me to not want to see Hillary Clinton as SOS. I think she is a brilliant pick…too bad this country could not see her as POTUS like we did but….we shall see.

    Well back to fixing up my house and property after the Sylmar fires I’m just getting back to normal.

  112. The Far Left Prepared To ‘Go To War’ With Obama Before He Takes Office
    ————————————–
    “I’ll huff, and I’ll puff and I’ll blow your house down”– as only the far left can.

    Or-will history repeat itself?

    The year was 1952. The place was Republican Party headquarters. They had settled on Dwight do-nothing Eisenhower as their standard bearer. Eisenhower of course had been Supreme Allied Commander in Europe, and was a national hero to all the returning troops (my dad included).

    But the Republicans figured that in order to win they needed to carry the state of California. So he leaned on the then Republican governor of Californi to deliver that state to the Republican column. His name was Earl Warren.

    What they offered Warren in return was the position of Chief Justice of the United States. The current chief justice Fred Vincent was stepping down after a relatively brief tenure for reasons I cannot recall.

    The far right of the party was obsessed with the communist threat, and the Rosenbergs were about to go on trial before Judge Irving Kaufman in New York. Alger Hiss former law clerk to Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes the very citadel of American law was reputed to be a communist. And tail gunner Joe McCarthy was hard at it along with Roy Cohen finding a red under every bed.

    When they looked at Earl Warren, they saw the kind of man they were looking for. Before he became governor Warren had been Attorney General of California and had a strong reputation for law and order. Therefore they assumed he would be their kind of Chief Justice.

    If they had bothered to look deeper into his background they would have realized that he was not the man they thought he was. The fact that he was the son of a minister, and had been district attorney of Oakland would have provided them with the right clues.

    On one occasion, he order the arrest of senior public officials at houses of ill repute south of the deadline for breaking the very laws they passed by day. If they had looked at that example and others they might have realized that he would interpret the law, or as it turned out the equal protection clause of the constitution in ways that would not make them happy.

    But they overlooked such things and in the process they misread the man.

    Its funny, I had dinner with a friend last night and the subject turned quickly to you know who. I cut loose with some of my thoughts about him and she said yes but he is smart. Well, being smart does not count for much in the world of politics. What counts is your ability to read people.

    And just as the far right misread Earl Warren, sure as the earth turns the far left misread Obama. Their analysis was skin deep–and they have the audacity to call us racists. In the case of Earl Warren, the far right came to hate him and sought to impeach him. Eisnehower called his appointment of Warren the biggest mistake of his presidency. Obviously, others would disagree.

  113. There is a tendency by journalists like Howie Kutz to overlook the obvious. Not all the former Bill Clinton people would have been part of a Hillary Administration. Craig is one obvious example. The point is she had her own stable of talented people who would have filled those positions as well–and I will bet you alot of them would have been women. So for all those women who profess to favor the advancement of women but did not vote for Hillary, this is yet another reminder that some are their own worst enemy. Emjay–I am sure Laura T would have been one of them.

  114. NOW YOU SEE IT; PRESTO! NOW YOU DON’T.

    # SHV Says:
    November 22nd, 2008 at 2:32 am

    “Ron Klain, as Biden’s chief of staff.”
    *************
    But that was supposed to be Patty’s job. Another turncoat bites the dust.
    $$$$$$$

    “Thank Patti-Soiled Donuts, for playing our game, You’ve Been Hoodwinked”.

  115. hmmm…I wonder if Hillary set any conditions for first supporting Obama and now for becoming SOS…i.e. Patty’s future and a few others.

    Then again, you would think Obama would have the brains to realize that if some of Hillary’s supposedly closest allies, like Richardson and Solis, could betray her, then for sure they could betray him for a few more pieces of silver.

  116. Its funny, I had dinner with a friend last night and the subject turned quickly to you know who. I cut loose with some of my thoughts about him and she said yes but he is smart.
    %%%%%%%%%

    All this talk about How Smart Obama Is. Well, obviously not from the people here at BigPink. But it’s quite bullshitty.

    “He’s so articulate”. “um, err, whatever Hillary said”.

    “He attended Harvard and Columbia”. Yeah? let’s see his GPA, transcripts, papers, geez anything. Everything has been wiped clean.

    “He may be the smartest president ever”. Uh, reality check. “That was a boneheaded decision”. “I pressed the wrong button, repeatedly”.

    “He was the pres of Harvard Law Review”. ….who never published a single writing, and didn’t get all “mixed up” in their culture and debates.

    &&&&
    What is assumed to be “intelligence” is his ability to mask his inadequacies.

  117. wbboei Says:
    November 22nd, 2008 at 11:54 am

    “And just as the far right misread Earl Warren, sure as the earth turns the far left misread Obama. ”
    ***************
    I think the right had a good read on Warrren, tough DA, Japanese internment, VP on the ’48 Dewey ticket, he changed…If the Left has a problem with Obama it is the result of self delusion..As Obama said when he was accused of moving right: ” I haven’t moved anywhere, you haven’t been listening”..’Maybe the only honest thing that Obama has ever said.

  118. “What is assumed to be “intelligence” is his ability to mask his inadequacies.”
    *************
    That may be the best description of him that I have seen.

  119. The Far Left Prepared To ‘Go To War’ With Obama Before He Takes Office

    To Obama supporters- Quit crying, you got what you asked for.

    This has made my day, Obama cannot be trusted even by his own Sheep.

  120. I think the right had a good read on Warrren, tough DA, Japanese internment, VP on the ‘48 Dewey ticket, he changed…If the Left has a problem with Obama it is the result of self delusion..As Obama said when he was accused of moving right: ” I haven’t moved anywhere, you haven’t been listening”..’Maybe the only honest thing that Obama has ever said.
    ———————————–
    SHV: excellent points! There was a rational basis for their assumptions about Warren, grounded in his actual experience. But if you look at Bambis actual experience you find it negates the assumptions the far left makes about him. As Admin has pointed out, whenever he was asked to choose between his constituents and his own political advancement, he always sold out his constituents and principles.

    The other thing I would add to what I posted above is that the reaction of the far left to Bambi may well go deeper than I had surmised. I offered the Warren paradigm where the right did not get what they bargained for, but there is no evidence that they ever fell down on their knees and worshipped him as the left now worships Bambi. The reaction of the left to Obama may well go further, in which case the appropriate paradigm will be A God That Failed.

    If that is the reaction he induces then the intellectual class will turn hard against him. The predicate for that was the generation of leftist who fell in love with communist theory qua theory and embraced to in ever fibre of their being until they came face to face with the hard realities of Stalinism. Now Bambi is not Stalin, he is more like Harpo Marx, but the level of disillusionment may be similar.

  121. Lest we forget who he really is behind the facade. The harpo marx factor.

    The odd choices in Barack Obama’s career
    By J.R. Dunn

    Barack Obama is a flake, and the American people have begun to see it. The chief characteristic of a flake is that he makes choices that are impossible to either understand or explain. These are not the errors of the poor dope who can’t grasp the essentials of a situation, or the neurotic who ruins things out of compulsion, or the man suffering chronic bad luck.

    The flake has a genius for discovering solutions at perfect right angles to the ordinary world. It’s as if he’s the product of a totally different evolutionary chain, in a universe where the laws are slightly but distinctly at variance to ours. When given a choice between left and right, the flake goes up — if not through the 8th dimension. And although there’s plenty of rationalization, there’s never a logical reason for any of it. After awhile, people stop asking.

    Obama’s rise has been widely portrayed as a kind of millennial Horatio Alger story — young lad from a new state on the outskirts of the American polity, a member of once-despised minority, works his way by slow degrees to within arm’s length of the presidency itself. That’s all well and good — we need national myths of exactly that type.

    But what has been overlooked is the string of faux pas marking each step of Obama’s journey, a series of strange, inexplicable actions, actions bizarre enough to require some effort at explanation, through such efforts have rarely been offered. It’s as if the new Horatio made it to the top by stepping into every last manhole and open trapdoor in his path. And we, the onlookers, the voters who are being asked to put this man in the White House, are supposed to take this as the normal career path for a successful chief executive.

    What are these incidents? I’m sure many of you are way ahead of me, but let’s go to the videotape.

    Here’s a young man who graduated from Columbia with high marks, with a choice of positions anywhere in the country. He comes from a state generally held to be a close match to Paradise. One, furthermore, that can be characterized as the most successful multiracial society in the world, with harmonious relations not only between whites and blacks, but also Japanese-Americans and native Hawaiians as well. To top it off, a state controlled in large part by a smoothly-functioning Democratic machine. So where does he choose to go?

    To Chicago. One of the windiest, coldest, most brutal cities in the country. One that is also infinitely corrupt in a sense that Hawaii is not. One that remains one of the most racist large cities in the U.S. (Cicero, Al Capone’s old stomping grounds, a suburb that is effectively part of the city, is completely segregated to this day.) It would be nice to learn which of these aspects most attracted young Obama to the city. But if you’d asked at the beginning of the campaign, you’d still be waiting.

    And what does he do when he reaches the city? Why, he joins a cult. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church has been turned inside out since the videotaped sermons appeared early this year, without anyone ever quite explaining exactly what Obama was thinking of when he joined up in the first place. Street cred, so it’s claimed. But there are a plethora of black churches that would have provided him that without the taint of demented racism that Wright’s church offered.

    Obama apparently had to swear an oath of belief in “black liberation theology” when he joined the church. (It is the little touches of that sort that make it a “cult”, and not simply a “church”.) Did the thought of his career ever cross his mind? Didn’t he realize that church would inevitably cause him trouble somewhere down the line? That he’d be required to repudiate it and its ideas eventually? We can ask — but we won’t get an answer.

    Back at school, Obama got himself named editor of the Harvard Law Review. This is a signal achievement, no question about it. The kind of thing that would be mentioned about a person for the rest of his life, as has been the case with Obama. But then… he writes nothing for the journal.

    Now, let’s get this straight: here we have one of the leading university law journals in the country, one widely cited and read. Entire careers in legal analysis and scholarship have been founded on appearances in the Review, including some that have led to the highest courts in the country. Yet here’s an individual who, as editor, could easily place his own work in the journal — standard practice, nothing at all wrong with it. But he fails to do so. And the explanation? There’s none that I’ve heard. We can go even farther than that, to say that there is no explanation that makes the least rational sense.

    We follow Obama down to Springfield, where as a state legislator, he voted “present” over 120 times. What this means, as far as I’ve been able to discover, is that he voted “present” nearly as much as he voted “yes” or “no”.

    Now, statehouses work very simply: a member approaches his colleagues and asks them them to vote for his bill. Some comply, some do not. Some ask, “Is it a good bill?” and some don’t. Either way, they customarily, except in unusual circumstances, vote “yes’ or “no”. All except for Barack Obama. And how did get away with it? How did mollify his colleagues? How did he square himself with the party bosses? Echo answereth not.

    (A good slogan could be made of this: “You can’t vote present in the Oval Office.” .)

    We turn eagerly to learn what his term in the U.S. Senate will reveal, only to be disappointed. But it’s not surprising, really. After all, he was only there for 143 days.

    And there lies one of the keys to Obama’s rise. David Brooks pointed out in a recent New York Times column that Obama spent too little time in any of his positions to make an impact one way or another. This is what saved him from the normal fate of the flake: he was never around long enough for his errors and strange behavior to catch up with him.

    But a presidential campaign is a different matter. A man running for president is under the microscope, and can’t duck anything, as many a candidate has had reason to learn. If Obama is a flake in the classic mode, now is when it would come out. And has it?

    The case could be made. Here we have a campaign with everything going for it — the opposition party in a shambles, a seriously undervalued president, the media in the candidate’s pocket, the candidate himself being worshiped as nothing less than the new messiah. And yet the results have comprised little more than one fumble after another.

    First came the Wright affair. Obama apparently thought he was above it all — a not-uncommon phenomenon with flakes — and allowed the revelations to take on a life of their own before bothering to respond. Even then, his thoughtful and convincing explanation (that he hadn’t been listening for twenty years) did little to settle the crisis, which instead guttered out on its own after nearly crippling his campaign. Even months afterward it threatens to pop back up at any time. The latest word is that Wright — now a deadly enemy of his onetime protégé — has written a book. I can’t wait.

    Obama learned his lesson, and confronted the next threat immediately, tackling The New Yorker cover with the avidity of a man having discovered zombies in the basement. A development that could have been defused with a chuckle and a quip (the customary method is for the politician to ask the cartoonist for the original) was allowed to explode into a major issue. The campaign’s relentless attacks on one of the oldest liberal magazines extant merely perplexed the country at large. After all, any Republican has had to endure far worse.

    Almost simultaneously, the birth certificate saga was unfolding. On no reasonable grounds, the campaign blew off requests for a copy of the document, at last releasing it through one of the least reputable sites on the Internet, and so badly copied that literally anything could be read into it — and was. I’m not one of those who believes that Obama was actually born in Indonesia/Kenya/Moscow/the moon, but I still have plenty in the way of questions, almost all of them arising from how the matter was handled. Well played.

    The latest pothole (or one of them, anyway) involves Jerome Corsi’s The Obama Nation. Corsi has been given the full New Yorker treatment, with the campaign hoping to avoid John Kerry’s “error” in not challenging Corsi’s 2004 book, Unfit for Command. What Obama missed was the fact that Kerry’s major problem was not with Corsi but with the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, who were disgusted with Kerry’s hypocrisy in running as an experienced military veteran, and set out to take him down. Corsi’s effort dovetailed with the veteran’s campaign and to a large extent was swept up with it. No such campaign is in operation against Obama. The smart method of answering Corsi would have been to allow the media to handle it, instead of drawing attention to the book and raising it to level of an issue. This appears to be a real talent for the Obama campaign.

    We could go on. The victory tour of Europe, and the speech in which Obama declared himself “citizen of the world”, a trope guaranteed to focus the attention of Middle America. His inept handling of Hillary, in which he wound up appearing frightened of the opponent he’d just beaten. Allowing Hillary (and her husband there, what’s-his-name) a starring role in the Democratic convention is not a solution any sane individual would be comfortable with — much less a roll-call vote. This threatens the near-certainty of turning the entire affair into BillandHillarycon, with the nominee winding up as a footnote. But it’s all of a piece with the campaign Obama has waged up until now.

    We’ve never had a flake as president. We’ve had drunks, neurotics, cripples, louts, and fools, but never a career screwup. (I except Jimmy Carter, whose errors arose from sincere, misguided goodwill.) And I don’t think we’re going to get one now. Another three months of flailing, incompetence, and a collapsing image will do little to assure voters concerned with terrorism, the oil crunch, a gyrating economy, and a bellicose Russia. (Anyone doubting that Obama will go exactly this route can consider the Saddleback church fiasco, which unfolded as this piece was being wrapped up. Evidently, the campaign goaded NBC news personality Andrea Mitchell into all but accusing John McCain of “cheating” by failing to take his place within the “cone of silence” during Obama’s part of the program. The grotesque element here is that Obama’s people and much of the liberal commentariat — including Mitchell — apparently believe that the “cone of silence”, a gag prop for the old Get Smart! comedy series, actually exists and was in use at Saddleback.)

    Many of us have dealt with flakes at one time or another, often in settings involving jobs and careers, and not uncommonly in positions of some authority. We all know of the nephew, the fiancé, the boyfriend, whose whims must be catered to, whose reputation must be protected, who must be constantly worked around if anything at all is to be accomplished, always at the cost of time, money, efficiency, and personal stress.

    And now we have one in the White House.

    J.R. Dunn is consulting editor of American Thinker.
    on “The odd choices in Barack Obama’s career”

  122. I had that intelligence discussion with my significant other. He said he is so smart. I said based on what. Then the next statement was well he went to school at a great school. I came back with, well I would not know since his grades have not been released, or anything else he has done in an academic environment. In addition, his speeches are all written for him. What I suspect he got an A is was Speech Delivery.

    Talk about creating an illusion. People don’t both to even check a record. I still say they deserve what they voted for.

  123. shv said: I don’t know much about him but that he is an anti-vaccine activist..which make me question his judgment.
    ==========================

    How much study have you given that issue?

  124. “# turndownobama-com Says:
    November 22nd, 2008 at 2:18 pm
    shv said: I don’t know much about him but that he is an anti-vaccine activist..which make me question his judgment.
    ==========================
    How much study have you given that issue?
    **************
    Not much..but I have read some of RFK Jr.’s thoughts on the subject and, IMO, he has a poor grasp of science, at best, or is using was is an emotional and serious problem for many people for his own political gain. Also, his “not in my back yard” attitude toward wind farms make me think he is more like his uncle than his father. But this opinion may be a result of my general low opinion of the Kennedys; except for RFK who was a much more important figure in real life than he has be given credit for in the Teddy White and Jackie “Camelot” myth.

  125. I see that Oprah, Barbara Walters and some others are trying to interview Sarah Palin now. I would tell them all to Kiss where the sun don’t shine. Especially OPRAH

  126. How do you help a friend with average or above average intelligence who lives inside the beltway and has drunk the koolaid to come to his or her senses about Bambi?

    I think you need to point out that the media has presented an unrealistic image of him, and people can only react to the evidence presented.

    But there is alot of evidence about him that has suppressed, and it goes to the question of who he is and what kind of leader he will be.

    If you review that evidence in detail, three conclusions about him become obvious:

    1. one: he cannot be trusted, by friends, by foes, by supporters, by political allies, be media hacks, by grass roots supporters.

    2. two: when it comes down to a choice between what is good for his constituents and what is good for the money interests who support him, the constituents will be sold out.

    3. three: when push comes to shove he will tend to behave like a Chicago thug. But he will do it in such a way as preserve plausability for himself.

    What you will see in the months ahead is a trail of broken promises. And people like you who are honest will look at him and say he is not what I thought he was, not what I voted for and I do not much like what I am seeing.

    On November 4, the only thing you had to judge him on was rhetoric. But soon enough you will be able to judge him on results. All I ask you to do is be honest with yourself when you do that.

  127. November 23, 2008
    Clinton-Obama Détente: From Top Rival to Top Aide
    By ELISABETH BUMILLER

    WASHINGTON — The thaw in the resentful relationship between the most powerful woman in the Democratic Party and her younger male rival began at the party’s convention this summer, when Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton gave such a passionate speech supporting Senator Barack Obama that his top aides leapt out of their chairs backstage to give her a standing ovation as she swept past.

    Mr. Obama, who was in the first steps of what would become a strategic courtship, called afterward to thank her. By then, close aides to Mrs. Clinton said, she had come to respect the campaign Mr. Obama had run against her. At the least, she knew he understood like no one else the brutal strains of their epic primary battle.

    By this past Thursday, when Mr. Obama reassured Mrs. Clinton that she would have direct access to him and could select her own staff as secretary of state, the wooing was complete.

    “She feels like she’s been treated very well in the way she’s been asked,” said a close associate of Mrs. Clinton, who like others interviewed asked for anonymity because the nomination will not be formally announced until after Thanksgiving.

    Few are predicting that this new relationship born of mutual respect and self-interest will grow into a tight bond between the new president and the woman who will be the public face of his foreign policy around the world, though some say it is not impossible.

    They argue that a close friendship between those in those powerful roles is useful but not essential, and is not a predictor of the success of the nation’s chief diplomat.

    SNIP

    In the Obama-Clinton relationship, advisers say, the relatively smooth nature of their talks about the secretary of state job indicate that both, for now, have a working chemistry. The advisers say that Mr. Obama was clearly interested in bringing a rival under his wing, and that he also recognized that Mrs. Clinton had far more discipline and focus than her husband.

    At the same time, Mr. Obama’s advisers said, he had the self-confidence to name a global brand as his emissary to the world. He recognizes, they said, that after Jan. 20, he will have to build the kind of relationship that ensures that foreign leaders know that when Mrs. Clinton speaks, she is speaking directly for him.

    [WARNING: the rest of this article will make you want rolaids….read at your own risk…media propaganda to make us begin to believe they get along and the past is the past etc… so we should all just fall in line…..NOT ME…. i see it as Hillary and Bill had more than a few aces up their sleeves and they were played masterfully 😀 when this article states “she will be speaking directly for obama…we all know the truth, he can’t speak for himself 😉 ]

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/us/politics/23hillary.html?_r=2&hp=&pagewanted=print

  128. All this talk about How Smart Obama Is. Well, obviously not from the people here at BigPink. But it’s quite bullshitty.
    ______________________________

    You are so right my friend and your examples are excellent.

    Thomas Sowell put his finger on the problem in his book The Vision of The Annointed: ” the tendency to confuse verbal adeptness with intelligence”.

  129. dija: that posting is amazing.

    The line by Kipling sort of sums it up for me.

    “If you can bear to hear the truth you (Hillary) have spoken
    Twisted by knaves (NYT) to make a trap for fools.”

    One thing I do believe is this: NYT wants HRC in SOS to protect Israel from the stupid things Bambi might otherwise do in the Middle East, at the behest of Dr. ZB and others. As she ages ZBs daughter will look exactly like him. Yup, they brought the right baby home from the hospital in her case.

    Strategic courtship????? Where do they get people to write that shit?

  130. This effort to portray Obama as a courtly sophisticated experienced worldly wise humane all knowing paradigm of virture is so far off the mark as to be laughable. For the sake of our sanity we need to keep the Obama is a flake article posted above close at hand.

  131. “The thaw in the resentful relationship between the most powerful woman in the Democratic Party and her younger male rival began at the party’s convention this summer, when Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton gave such a passionate speech supporting Senator Barack Obama that his top aides leapt out of their chairs backstage to give her a standing ovation as she swept past.”

    —————————————-

    By committing this extremely generous action, Hillary showed that she was and continues to be the bigger person here. We did not see Obama make a move until Hillary started pouring over-rated accolades down his pointy head.

    In effect, she was/is the adult here. He is spinning his tricycle wheels and splaying in the sand box.

  132. Paula Says:

    November 19th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
    Someone on the other thread mentioned Fox saying she’s staying in the Senate. I’ve heard that nowhere else.

    What was Fox’s source?

    Good question Paula. We all need to ask for the source, all the time. It will help us stay sane.

  133. rickya Says:

    November 19th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
    The economy is very shaky and nothing from Obama inspires any confidence in the market. What is not being said in the media is that Obama doesn’t inspire confidence ——-

    I hope and pray that the Obama administration would not be as disastrous as we fear but I am also guarding against that possibility. If our fears prove true, then we should all stand ready to support the Democratic candidate willing to take him on in 2012. I hope that is Hillary.
    =================
    Remember that if that obtains, Hill will have to be drafted, and all work done by her supporters, with zero support from her until it becomes obvious to her that it is viable and she resigns SoS post.

  134. wbboei — your earl warren story is not quite correct.

    Here’s a first person account:

    Earl was an old friend of my husband’s family. They all went to the convention together. One night Billy (my husband) found Earl all alone pacing in his hotel suite.

    He told Billy he had been offered the vice-presidency.
    Billy asked, “So what’s the problem”? Earl said “I don’t want to be vice-president” After a bit of prodding, Earl confessed that he wanted to be on the Supreme Court. Billy asked if he thought he’d make a good justice. Earl said yes. But he had scruples about getting that appointment in a quid pro quo.

    Billy convinced him that he would make a better justice than anyone Ike was likely to appoint.

    Good news – we got Earl Warren for the Supremes.

    Bad news – we got Richard Nixon for VP.

    Still we were lucky to get Warren. He belonged to a group of Republicans, now extinct, like Margaret Chase Smith, for whom honor and principle meant something. If you want to know more, write me or read the book I keep trying to finish — actually, middle — I’m far from the end.

  135. Obama and the DNC are scared to death of a book deal by Bill and Hillary. They’ve got the ace up their sleeves and Bill and Hillary have played their hand masterful. All I can say is “whew”, I thought I might have to learn freaking chinese. I am much more at ease with our current financial conditions and/or world standing with Hillary at the top making sure there will be NO dumb moves!

  136. Obama has decided to name former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers the director of the National Economic Council, essentially the president’s senior economic adviser.

    …The job Obama is giving him is not one that necessitates confirmation by the Senate.

    Previous directors of the NEC include Robert Rubin, Laura D’Andrea Tyson, Gene Sperling for President Bill Clinton and Lawrence Lindsey, Stephen Friedman, Allan Hubbard, and Keith Hennessey for President George W. Bush.

    Some Democrats say that Obama and Summers have an understanding that when current Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke’s term expires in 2010, Obama will name Summers to take his place.

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu…s-to-be-c.html

  137. freckles Says:
    November 22nd, 2008 at 8:27 pm
    “He told Billy he had been offered the vice-presidency.”
    ****************
    That is interesting that the GOP would try to get him to be the VP candidate again after he was on the ticket in ’48. He was a Presidential primary candidate in both ’48 and ’52 but didn’t campaign in the ’52 GOP primary..strange…It definitely turned out for the best, however.

  138. Yes, I am sure that a potential tell all campaign 2008 book is being held over his head. I don’t view O doing this out of intelligence, or likabliliy of the Clintons.

  139. wbboei — your earl warren story is not quite correct
    —————————————-
    Freckles: thank you very much for the personal account. I think it adds to what I said above but I am not sure it conflicts with it. I did not intend to suggest that Warren ever agreed to be a law and order justice. My point was that people assumed he would be based his past record, including what SHV posted this morning when he or she took issue with my comparison of that situation to what we have now. Your account of Warren pacing the floor and worrying about a quid pro quo rings completely true based on the kind of man he was. The bargain I referred to was not that he would be a law and order judge but that he would help deliver California and in that case Eisenhower would appoint him Chief Justice and I think that is in fact where it eventually came out. Please advise if you disagree. (P.S. I was not aware that he was offered the vice presidency and turned it down.) You have enriched my undersanding of history and I thank you for that.

  140. Re: People thinking Obama is soooooo intelligent.

    Most of the gushing over Barky’s brainpower that I’ve encountered has come from sheltered suburban white folks who have known few, if any, well-educated, upper-middle class African Americans. (But they know such people exist, because they saw them on The Cosby Show!) There’s a patronizing tone to their comments regarding Obama’s intelligence. I doubt they would be going on and on about him that way if he were white. I don’t think they’d consider him a dummy like George W. Bush, but they wouldn’t see him as especially smart, either.

  141. Yes, I am sure that a potential tell all campaign 2008 book is being held over his head. I don’t view O doing this out of intelligence, or likabliliy of the Clintons/
    —————————————
    I agree New Mexico. He is too petty, narrow minded and meglamanical for that.

  142. freckles Says:
    November 22nd, 2008 at 3:12 am
    For those of you who haven’t turned your TV back on after the election, may I draw your attention to an ad for plates — an Obama plate, to be precise.

    The announcer starts by telling us that it commemorates the day “the world changed”. I point this out only because after more fact-based reporting, we are warned that, because of demand, we can only buy two plates per household. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

    Just my little bit to help with your Christmas lists.
    ==================

    LOL! Where are you these days?

  143. As noted above, Bambi is studying the “mistakes Clinton made in the first two years of his presidency” so he can avoid them and thereby achieve his thousand year reich.

    If he were a presidential historian that would be an interesting exigesis, but since he is about to become President and as Howard Dean so deftly put it “rule” over his subjects, he would be better served to consider two risks that may well sink his presidency in the first term:

    1) massive increases in taxes and spending: as proposed by Poopsie and Barnie Fife. These may well tank the economy. His new treasury secretary is a heavyweight. He will tell Bambi the truth which is that the economy cannot handle it now. But his constituents and the left are not up for that. Their battlecry will be freedom now and you promised, etc. What will Bambi do? Its Hobsons choice. Poor Bambi.

    2) Iraq: complete withdrawal within 18 months. This was and still is the defining issue of the hard left. Those cases of arrested development who sit in their bedrooms with zit medicine venting their collective spleens into the blogosphere every night. To them he promised to get us out, and when he gets around to telling them that even though we are taking out a brigade a month we will still have an emergency contingent of 50,000 troops based on the advice of his generals the bots will go after him. That will happen prior to the 2012 election. Poor Bambi. Hope, change, there’s a sucker born every minute and here’s looking at you–bots.

  144. idunn said: On the one hand, there’s ALOT to admire with respect to Geithner… he’s young, smart , innovative in a restrained sort of way , relishes a challenge, and is definitely someone who thinks outside the box. On the other hand…we are in a HUGE mess right now, and I’m just not confident that he has the experience to lead us out of this economic crisis.

    I certainly would have prefered Summers…the man, for all his shortcomings, is utterly brilliant. But I can see alot of potential with Geithner that I wouldn’t neccesarily see if Summers had gotten the appointment.
    ====================

    Summers would be my first choice too: Bill’s last Treas Sec stepping back into his old job. But if Summers has been out in academia for a while and is going to be some kind of Advisor, then we might get the best of both worlds. Or of course the worst.

    Is G. the one who’s been advising Hillary on economic issues lately?

  145. idunn said: On the one hand, there’s ALOT to admire with respect to Geithner… he’s young, smart , innovative in a restrained sort of way , relishes a challenge, and is definitely someone who thinks outside the box. On the other hand…we are in a HUGE mess right now, and I’m just not confident that he has the experience to lead us out of this economic crisis.
    ——————————————
    I have a strong hunch G will be good.

    Its that bumpling fool at commerce I am worried about. He needs someone like PSD to look watch over him. To paraphrase George Gershwin:

    Wont you tell him please
    To put on some speed
    Follow my lead
    Oh how I need
    Someone to watch over both of those traitors

  146. Re: People thinking Obama is soooooo intelligent.

    Most of the gushing over Barky’s brainpower that I’ve encountered has come from sheltered suburban white folks who have known few, if any, well-educated, upper-middle class African Americans. (But they know such people exist, because they saw them on The Cosby Show!) There’s a patronizing tone to their comments regarding Obama’s intelligence. I doubt they would be going on and on about him that way if he were white. I don’t think they’d consider him a dummy like George W. Bush, but they wouldn’t see him as especially smart, either.
    ——————————–
    Absolutely right. They backfill into this one. Since they cannot say he has experience they have to say he is so smart that experiece doesnt matter–which is a krock but people buy into it when it is repeated often enough.

  147. birdgal Says:
    November 22nd, 2008 at 9:12 pm
    Obama has decided to name former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers the director of the National Economic Council, essentially the president’s senior economic adviser.

    …The job Obama is giving him is not one that necessitates confirmation by the Senate.

    Previous directors of the NEC include Robert Rubin, Laura D’Andrea Tyson, Gene Sperling for President Bill Clinton and Lawrence Lindsey, Stephen Friedman, Allan Hubbard, and Keith Hennessey for President George W. Bush.
    ….
    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu…s-to-be-c.html
    =====================

    Ah, sounds like a good move. Is the the same post that Bill Clinton considered Summers for in 1993 or thereabouts?

  148. Freckles: I was trying to remember where I had read what I said about Warren but I could not recall. It is as Disraeli said:” like all great travellers, I have seen more than I remember, and remember more than I have seen.” It may have been in a constitutional law book by gerald gunther at stanford, or in a college text book. I am comfortable it is accurate, but I cannot source it off the top of my head. Hell, it has been 35 years. But even if I could, and with effort I probably could, first hand accounts like yours are always the most valuable, accurate and probative.

  149. Emjay Says:
    November 21st, 2008 at 10:31 pm
    turndown

    third way was nothing fancy, neither right nor left.

    just the way (usually middle) that would take a big bite of an answer, or solution, from both the progressive and the conservative sides.

    Or from two or more oppositional parties.

    Mediators and family therapists use the concept all the time…I have never said the word out loud here, but used to use, and teach, it.

    It’s a dirty word=== are you ready? It is … TRIANGULATION

    =====================

    RIGHT. A while back I looked for ‘triangulation’ in wikipedia and found a pretty good positive definition (credited to Morris from his time in the Clinton admin). “Using our tools to fix their car” or “Using their tools to fix our car.”

    In early 2008 Huckabee described the same concept though not using the word: Instead of tug of war back and forth left and right on a horizontal line, go up to a better solution that pleases both sides.

    Because it was something Bill Clinton succeeded with, of course everyone changed its meaning to just the opposite: staying on the same line and splitting the difference, looking for the middle.

  150. SHV Says re RFK Jr: But this opinion may be a result of my general low opinion of the Kennedys; except for RFK who was a much more important figure in real life than he has be given credit for in the Teddy White and Jackie “Camelot” myth.

    ===========================

    Hm. I admit all I really know about RFK Jr is that early in the campaign he came out loud and clear for Hillary, saying some very sensible things. But to me that counts for a lot, so I’d look very closely at material critical of him; I’d verify the quotes etc etc.

  151. Any enduring solution to our economic woes will require restructuring the global financial system. That is something Bill and Rubin wanted to do in the late 90s but other issues interfered. Now the issue had grown acute. What an A-team to takle that issue: our Hillary and Geithner.

  152. wbboei Says:
    November 22nd, 2008 at 3:45 pm
    How do you help a friend with average or above average intelligence who lives inside the beltway and has drunk the koolaid to come to his or her senses about Bambi?

    I think you need to point out that the media has presented an unrealistic image of him, and people can only react to the evidence presented.

    ==============================

    I have a dear friend, very intelligent though not looking past the NYT. He was intelligent enough to avoid the subject while helping me set up PUMA websites but on Nov 5 came out of his closet rejoicing.

    I’m too nice to attack a baby smiling at Santa Claus. So I’m kind of riding with the tide, saying I’m happily surprised at BO’s appointments so far, that BO is doing a better job now than when campaiging. I’m working my way toward suggesting that the Clintons were and are behind this sudden improvement.

    IF this trend of BO = Clintons’ third continues and works out (my friend was also a Clintonista for years), then it might be possible later to contrast whatever Clintonistic successes come, vs BO’s earlier criticism of the Clintons (and koolaid promises) and drive a wedge that way.

  153. dija said: i see it as Hillary and Bill had more than a few aces up their sleeves and they were played masterfully
    ===========================

    I am beginning to suspect something like that! This is just too many old Clinton people appointed where they will do some good, and too many bots and Judases thrown under the bus, to be coincidence.

    The timing would fit too. Throughout the summer and fall, the Clintons escalated their support gradually — perhaps giving Obama enough rope to see that he couldn’t do it on his own, he needed their help. And each time bargaining for a new arm and leg and his firstborn appointments.

    I’m not sure how SOS fits in. Maybe it was a fake publicity gsture of BO’s (like VP) that drew a lot of support and took off. With this much support (and the cabinet appointments actually publically committed), maybe it began to look to Hillary like a job worth taking. (As someone said, I’ll wait till somethign is official and confirmed before I believe it myself.)

  154. BO’s earlier criticism of the Clintons (and koolaid promises) and drive a wedge that way
    ————————————–
    Anything will work for that shot–a mashie, niblick, mid-iron or driving iron. A driver, brassie, or spoon. Even a putter swung with enough force at a percha gutta ball–or other suitable target. Fore!!!!!!!!

  155. rickya Says: I hope and pray that the Obama administration would not be as disastrous as we fear but I am also guarding against that possibility. If our fears prove true, then we should all stand ready to support the Democratic candidate willing to take him on in 2012. I hope that is Hillary.
    =============================

    Alternatively, just from how things have looked this month…. Bill and Hillary may continue propping him up … every time he makes a blunder and starts to loose ground … accumulating another pound of flesh IOU each time … till by 2012 they totall y own him….

    And there he is out front as a human sheild and scapegoat, while they are getting real work done.

  156. dija said: i see it as Hillary and Bill had more than a few aces up their sleeves and they were played masterfully
    ——————————————
    They are living examples of the truism that the highest level of art is the art which conceals the art and makes everthing look simple, natural and unremarkable while achieving the desired goal.

  157. wbboei Says:
    November 23rd, 2008 at 1:46 am
    dija said: i see it as Hillary and Bill had more than a few aces up their sleeves and they were played masterfully
    ——————————————
    They are living examples of the truism that the highest level of art is the art which conceals the art and makes everthing look simple, natural and unremarkable while achieving the desired goal.
    ===================

    As I’ve seen in a sig elsewhere,

    “When you do something right, no one knows you’ve done anything at all.”

  158. HEY IDUNN,

    If it’s correct that Summers will be given a job that does not require Senate confirmation … will New Agenda etc still try to block him?

    I’ve done some research to defend Summers, but I’m being very lazy about editing it and posting it.

    ——————

    Ref:
    birdgal Says:
    November 22nd, 2008 at 9:12 pm
    Obama has decided to name former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers the director of the National Economic Council, essentially the president’s senior economic adviser.

    …The job Obama is giving him is not one that necessitates confirmation by the Senate.

    Previous directors of the NEC include Robert Rubin, Laura D’Andrea Tyson, Gene Sperling for President Bill Clinton and Lawrence Lindsey, Stephen Friedman, Allan Hubbard, and Keith Hennessey for President George W. Bush.
    ….
    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu…s-to-be-c.html

  159. Maybe it was a fake publicity gsture of BO’s (like VP) that drew a lot of support and took off. With this much support (and the cabinet appointments actually publically committed), maybe it began to look to Hillary like a job worth taking.
    —————————————
    He was too clever by the halves, and it came back to bite him. The end result is the country won. She will be the most consequential secretary of state in history, and command the world stage. That is where most of the problems facing this country will ultimately be solved. That is where The Super Bowl will be played and won.

  160. wbboei Says:
    November 23rd, 2008 at 1:58 am
    Maybe it was a fake publicity gsture of BO’s (like VP) that drew a lot of support and took off. With this much support (and the cabinet appointments actually publically committed), maybe it began to look to Hillary like a job worth taking.
    —————————————
    He was too clever by the halves, and it came back to bite him. The end result is the country won. She will be the most consequential secretary of state in history, and command the world stage. That is where most of the problems facing this country will ultimately be solved. That is where The Super Bowl will be played and won.
    =========================

    I will be happy to have been wrong on all this (ie Hillary infiltrating his admin).

  161. CountTheVotes Says:

    November 20th, 2008 at 11:06 am
    according to drudge – Iran has materials enough to make one atom bomb. My knee-jerk reaction – save us Hillary…which is probably what millions of others are thinking.

    this SOS or Senate leadership for Hillary issue – is drawing such considerable interest because so many people want to still see her as President. I wonder if this dynamic is going to continue in the years going forward (as if the competition in the primary is still ongoing).

    ##I think people need to rally around Clinton now and in years to come – demonstrate to her Dem peers that we are loyal and they cannot marginalize her. If BO had a cult, well, they haven’t seen anything yet…##

    ——————–
    CTV

    I agree abt showing support and loyalty. I have been slow to emerge from the grief process as have many others. The more I talk to others across the country, the more we are realizing that the more invested one was in our girl, the more the difficulty in getting on with it…and I believe you put your finger on a strength we can use going forward with your last sentence.

    I’m back in it to win it, however she and loyalists can make it work for all of us.

    It is our job now to stop fighting the last war and move forward to fight the next ones. And I believe that is what Hill is doing – moving forward against the problems of today and tomorrow, not yesterday.

    That said, I also support the memorists and historians among us who took pictures and names, copied emails and documented occurances (including Bill) and will be giving the world a more balanced picture of what Campaign 2008 was really about.

  162. As I’ve seen in a sig elsewhere,

    “When you do something right, no one knows you’ve done anything at all.”
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    I embedded this quote on the back cover of my book on leadership, and it goes to the heart of what we are talking about. I am sure you have seen it before.

    “A leader is best when people barely know he exists, and not so good when people obey and acclaim him, and worse when they despise him. But of a good leader who talks little when his (her) work is done, his (her) aim fulfilled they will say: we did it ourselves.”–Lao Tzu (Warring States Period 4th Century BCE.

    In one of the states I canvassed in for Hillary– I think it was Pennsylvania I heard Bill talk about the many things his wife has done for this country for which she has never sought or received public recognition. In that case he referred to a program for native American children which began in Arkansas and has since been adopted by a dozen other states. The platform items Bambi has adopted–green jobs being one example came from her. A better leader this country will never find. If we had an honest decent press that cared about this country she would be our president in 2008.

  163. wbboei, yes she should be, all these ideas are hers and Pelosi and rest know it. It is so sickening that she has to play second to an empty shirt!

    wbboei, have you heard of leo donofrio?? He is keeping the BC problem in the forefront and many say his lawsuit has legs! You can google the name and find his website. The internet washers are keeping his information from getting widespread knowledge onthe net!

  164. Just to complete my last thought, I firmly believe that today we have the worst press corp in the world. The most intellectually dishonest. There is simply no living with what they did to the country in this election. At one time we had the best.

    A little bird is trying to convince me that JT, TB, ET, JM, CR et al are changing their tune. Her argument is the old tried and true Frankfurther dictim that we should not dispair when wisdom comes late but too often it never comes at all. My rebuttal is if it comes too late it is as if it never came at all.

    Britt Hume will be retiring soon and is completely disgusted with big medias descent into darkness. He plans to write a book on the subject. It will elucidate the corruption in depth and the need to develop an alternate media free from the corrupting influence of international corporations.

    If he goes a step further and drags the dark movers who chose bambi into the full light of day so we know who they are that would be better.

    Where is lil ol grape?

  165. ##I think people need to rally around Clinton now and in years to come – demonstrate to her Dem peers that we are loyal and they cannot marginalize her. If BO had a cult, well, they haven’t seen anything yet…##

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    CTV

    I agree abt showing support and loyalty. I have been slow to emerge from the grief process as have many others. The more I talk to others across the country, the more we are realizing that the more invested one was in our girl, the more the difficulty in getting on with it…and I believe you put your finger on a strength we can use going forward with your last sentence.

    I’m back in it to win it, however she and loyalists can make it work for all of us.

    It is our job now to stop fighting the last war and move forward to fight the next ones. And I believe that is what Hill is doing – moving forward against the problems of today and tomorrow, not yesterday.

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    I’ll eat no crow before its time … or before it’s hatched.

    But if Hillary pulls this off, a Clinton restoration…. and maybe some good work world-wide….

  166. I’ll eat no crow before its time … or before it’s hatched.

    But if Hillary pulls this off, a Clinton restoration…. and maybe some good work world-wide….
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    Turndown> and I will drink no wine until its time. What do you think Emjay. Is the sun below the yardarm yet?

  167. I’ll eat no crow before its time … or before it’s hatched
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    turndown: what was that comment by Truman in 48–wanting no one to eat crow and everyone to eat turkey. We are all just rolling with the punches these days. If Hillary is not the nominee in 2012 I am through with politics. I gave up golf after 50 years–dropped it cold never to play it again. Politics will be the same. After this election I have seen the elephant–in both parties.

  168. leo donofrio?? He is keeping the BC problem in the forefront and many say his lawsuit has legs! You can google the name and find his website.
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    Confloyd: good to hear from you. Left messages. I know you have been working hard with hospital and the bar/restaurant. No I was not aware of this site, or his actions on the birth certificate. On the Supreme Court end I am not optimistic. I dont know how many opinions by Souter I have read over the years–probably not many. But I just dont think he has it in him to do what should be done in this case.

  169. The reason for reticence is this. The Supreme Court has neither the power of the sword or the purse. Their power depends on a perception of legitimacy and they are loathe to upset the results of the democatic processes. There is a line of cases that deal with the subject of justiciability. One type of case which is deemed non-justiciable are cases which involve political questions. The bc question is a legal question, but it touches directly on a political area. And it is a well known fact that justices follow election results and constitutional scholars have shown that those results have some impact on decisions rendered. Souter does not strike me as a bold and adventurous justice.

  170. That said, I do realize they intervened in the political process in 2000. But in the full sweep of history that is an anomoly.

  171. or before it’s hatched.
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    turndown. you are subtle. I missed it the first and second time I read it. We supporters are not constrained.

  172. wbboei, My cell phone is still broken and I have lost your number, if you leave the number on the house phone recorder, I will call you back when I get off on Monday. I would love to get your take on the SOS and other things going on now.

    The texasdarlin blogspot is full of info on this donofrio case and others. The folks over there seems really scared of an Obama Presidency. They just don’t like knowing his background, grades, schools, friends over the years. They seem to think there are just too many missing links in Obama life! I agree!!! You got give to Hillary, she has testicular fortitude to even staying in the limelight with this group, I think she is doing it for Us. She is still working for us, I think undercover!

  173. wbboei Says:
    November 23rd, 2008 at 4:29 am
    or before it’s hatched.
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    turndown. you are subtle. I missed it the first and second time I read it. We supporters are not constrained.

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    I’m kind of disappointed no one has called me on the apostrophes.

  174. Good Morning All

    What I cannot let go of, and refuse to let go of is the sexism that really impacted this campaign. The Clinton’s can work there power with the Dems, but it is the issue of Sexism that must be address, and should remain a focus. We cannot move on from this issue.

    I think Palin is still suffering from it.

  175. Obama’s Stimulus Package: How Big?
    November 23, 2008 9:28 AM

    President-elect Barack Obama is pushing Congress for a robust economic stimulus package he can sign into law in January.

    But the question is: how big?

    In an interview on “This Week,” Joint Economic Committee chair Sen. Charles Schumer, D-NY., told “This Week” that he thinks the stimulus package should be between $500-700 billion.

    “I believe we need a pretty big package here,” Schumer told me, saying Congress is working on getting a major stimulus package on Obama’s desk before Jan. 20.

    “I think it has to be deep. In my view it has to be between $500 and $700-billion dollars and that’s because our economy’s in serious, serious trouble,” Schumer said, “It’s a little like having a new New Deal, but you do it before the Depression, not after.”

    Incoming White House senior adviser David Axelrod suggested Obama will push for a plan much larger than the $175-billion stimulus he suggested during the campaign.

    “What he’s said is, he wants a plan big enough to deal with the large challenges,” Axelrod told me but refused to put a number on it.

    Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., the top Republican on the Senate Banking Committee said of Schumer’s stimulus number,”That’s a lot of money.”

    “We better be careful about not just throwing money – borrowing a lot of money and throwing it at deal and creating no jobs to speak of,” Shelby said, arguing he’ll have to see the details of any stimulus package before supporting it.

    Another Obama economic adviser, New Jersey Sen. Jon Corzine, is urging Obama to request a stimulus “north of $600 billion,” as first reported by Newsweek. With dire predictions for the unemployment rate and consumer spending next year, the Federal Reserve is basically out of room to do anything more with monetary policy.

    Members of Obama’s economic team argue the nation’s economy will need that injection of capital.
    Yesterday Obama announced an ambitious spending and tax cut plan that includes a two-year stimulus plan to save or create 2.5 million jobs.

    The plan would be implemented through infrastructure — roads and bridges; tax cuts for lower and middle-class workers; aid to state and local governments; investments in so-called green-jobs; and alternative energy development.

    –George Stephanopoulos

  176. Bush – People surronding Bush smarter than Bush himself

    Obama – People surronding Obama smarter than Bush himself

    Interesting…..

  177. I just wonder if SOS for Hillary was in the works for a long time before this…maybe going back to a condition for her stepping down?

    Also, if Obama wants to do anything for me…I really hope that Pelosi’s star fades rapidly under his regime. And is Brazille destined to spend the rest of her time on earth as a second-rate guest on second-rate news programs? LOL…that’s fine with me. Kudos to whoever invented the mute button.

  178. Hi guys,

    We are having a membership drive over at TEAM SARAH because we want to build a foundation of support for her and combat the same problems Hillary Clinton faced in running for her unsuccessful campaign for POTUS.

    Their are many groups under the umbrella including PUMA grps or others…but it is very important that WOMEN are supported for LEADERSHIP position if we are ever going to break that ultimate glass ceiling.

    I never want to see what happens to Hillary Clinton happens again. Ideas, character and proven leadership…I might disagree but not given the opportunity is the bigger crime.

    http://www.teamsarah.org/

  179. So apparently (I didn’t see it) Daley was on MTP & said Obama is “more likely than not” to postpone overturning the Bush tax cuts for the rich.

    You guys comment on it. Because watching them reverse everything they said during the campaign might be even more sickening than the campaign itself was, and as we know, that was THE WORST.

  180. Lieberman on MTP this am.What a selfserving beggar he has turned into.Turncoat is a poor description of this pitiful political ping pong ball that has no sense of loyalty and decency toward our country.Leech is my description of him.

    By ABM90

  181. I just wonder if SOS for Hillary was in the works for a long time before this…maybe going back to a condition for her stepping down?
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    Jan–I do not think so. My understanding is that this sos thing was a last minute deal, and Hillary did it through judo.

    Bambis campaign people wanted to promote the meme that he is a uniter not a divider, so they floated this sos thing to get brownie points never dreaming she would accept.

    Well, Hillary called their bluff. This was not at all what Bambi wanted. People inside Obamas campaign have been called on the carpet over this “miscalculation”.

    Hillary’s decision to campaign for him had nothing to do with this. It was to fulfill a promise and to dispel the racist bullshit maggots in his campaign falsey imputed to her in the primary, etc.

    Originally, he promised sos to Richardson, just as he promised the attorney general job to edwards. I believe Edwards was taken down by the Chicago crew at the behest of Axelrod. He will become another Handelman.

    The example illustrates the lengths to which obama handlers will go to promote this false image of the man. It shows those who wish to oppose Obama for the sake of democracy or to manipulate him for the sake of economic or political gain that ego is his achilles heel.

    Those who oppose him will also take note of the fact that there are two bambis just as there were two doctor jeckels:

    Dr. Jeckyl= Barcack Obama
    Mr. Hyde= Barcrack Banana (the flake)

    Finally, his coronation will mark a victory by big media, big business and a corrupt candidate over the American People. In the fulsomeness of time, the people who blather about democracy the loudest will be thown under the bus.

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