Hillary Clinton – The Change We Need

Let Rome In Tiber Melt – We’ll discuss Hillary Clinton.

The Washington Post acknowledges, as we have been writing, that Hillary Clinton is once again the belle of the ball (there is only one MAJOR story out there).

Let’s commence today’s festivities with a rousing song. We’ve called Hillary Clinton a lifeline (a la Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?) for the bereft Barack and his unqualified, inexperienced self – so let’s sing along with the Clara Ward singers.

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As the stock markets contiinue their declines and Obama prepares to bankrupt Washington, D.C. in order to pay for his coronation – Bill Clinton again has become the central target of the Hopium addicted.

There is plenty of good reason for the thurifers in the Church of Obama to be concerned when it comes to Bill Clinton. Big Pink non-favorite Donna Brazile (remember when Donna made it her priority to-do to call and write to Hillary to complain about our naughty commenters?) plays a typically minor role in this biased telling:

The former president had amassed an 81-page list of all the unfair and nasty things the Obama campaign had said, or was alleged to have said, about Hillary Clinton. The press was still in love with Obama, or so it seemed to Clinton, who complained to pretty much anyone who would listen. If the press wouldn’t go after Obama, then Hillary’s campaign would have to do the job, the ex-president urged. On Sunday, Jan. 13, Clinton got worked up in a phone conversation with Donna Brazile, a direct, strong-willed African-American woman who had been Al Gore’s campaign manager and advised the Clintons from time to time. “If Barack Obama is nominated, it will be the worst denigration of public service,” he told her, ranting on for much of an hour. Brazile kept asking him, “Why are you so angry?”

Send us the list Bill or else write that book you promised to write this January. Keeping that 81 pages out of publication will likely become the next “sticking point” in the continued vetting of Bill and Hillary.

That Bill and Hillary need to be vetted at all is a red flag for those who suspect that untrustworthy Obama is pulling another one of his untrustworthy stunts. Howard Wolfson, yesterday craftily clued all in on how bogus is the “vetting” of Bill.

Given the media attention on this issue I thought it would be useful to set out what we know about the Clintons’ finances:

The total amount the Clintons have made since leaving the White House, delineated by year. www.taxhistory.org

Each of the sources of that income, including all of President Clinton’s business income, and the amount. www.taxhistory.org

Speeches the President was paid to give since leaving the White House. http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/candlook.php?CID=N00000019

How much he was paid for each speech, who paid him, and when and where he gave it. http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/candlook.php?CID=N00000019

The amounts that the Clintons each made on their books. www.taxhistory.org

The property they own. www.taxhistory.org

The investments they own. http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/candlook.php?CID=N00000019

The interest income they have made. www.taxhistory.org

Contents of their bank accounts. http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/candlook.php?CID=N00000019

The liabilities they have held. http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/candlook.php?CID=N00000019

The charitable contributions they have made through the Clinton Family Foundation. http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990s/990search/ffindershow.cgi?id=CLIN040

What we know about the Clinton Foundation:

Revenue and assets of the Clinton Foundation. http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6903

Stocks held and grants and allocations made by the Foundation. http://clintonfoundation.org/about-the-clinton-foundation/annual-financial-reports

Commitments made at the Clinton Global Initiative. http://www.clintonglobalinitiative.org/NETCOMMUNITY/Page.aspx?pid=2612&srcid=2384

Number of children who now have access to pediatric medicines through the Clinton HIV/AIDS Initiative’s partnership with UNITAID: http://clintonfoundation.org/what-we-do/clinton-hiv-aids-initiative/what-we-ve-accomplished

Number of Rwandan children who have modern sanitary facilities for hand-washing because of the Foundation. http://clintonfoundation.org/what-we-do/clinton-hunter-development-initiative/what-we-ve-accomplished

Number of countries in which the Foundation helped to secure lower priced AIDS/HIV drugs. http://clintonfoundation.org/what-we-do/clinton-hiv-aids-initiative/what-we-ve-accomplished

Percent reduction in the price of an effective malaria drug because of the Foundation’s efforts. http://clintonfoundation.org/what-we-do/clinton-hiv-aids-initiative/what-we-ve-accomplished

Number of people in Asia with access to safe drinking water because of the Foundation. http://clintonfoundation.org/what-we-do/clinton-global-initiative/what-we-ve-accomplished

Millions of tons of greenhouse gas emissions avoided or reduced because of the Clinton Climate Initiative. http://clintonfoundation.org/what-we-do/clinton-global-initiative/what-we-ve-accomplished

Bill and Hillary Clinton have been vetted as few others have ever been vetted and come out clean. Obama, of course, has never been vetted. Obama is still protected by his Big Media masters. Obama might never be vetted by Big Media until and unless Big Media decides to yank his chain. Adolf Hitler, a monorchic, is still getting vetted years after his self-slaughter. Obama, not vetted.

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The rest of the Hillary-Makes-The-World-Go-Round news:

Hillary is considering her options on how best to make the world a better place:

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York has reservations about accepting an appointment as secretary of state in the Obama administration, an adviser to Mrs. Clinton who is familiar with her thinking said on Tuesday.

The adviser described Mrs. Clinton as flattered by President-elect Barack Obama’s interest but said she was agonizing over the decision. Mrs. Clinton likes being her own boss and is reluctant to give up the independence that comes with that, said the adviser, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the process was at a delicate stage.

“If you are secretary of state you work for the president,” the adviser said in an e-mail response to questions from The New York Times. “If you are a senator, you work for yourself and the people that elected you.”

It was unclear if Mrs. Clinton’s stated hesitation was part of a bargaining tactic as the Obama team weighs whether to appoint her secretary of state, a genuine moment of indecision or, perhaps, a signal that she was preparing to withdraw from consideration.

Like the Tarantino movie “Kill Bill” the demands on Bill Clinton continue:

Former President Bill Clinton has offered to submit future charitable and business activities to strict ethics reviews if his wife, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, were nominated as secretary of state, according to Democrats familiar with the deliberations. He has also agreed for the first time to disclose many of the previous donors to his efforts. [snip]

Mr. Clinton would also seek clearance from two separate entities — the White House counsel and the State Department’s ethics chief — on all donations to his charitable foundation, the William J. Clinton Foundation, which includes his presidential library and the Clinton Global Initiative. He would follow the same procedure before agreeing to any paid speeches, according to people close to the talks. Additionally, Mr. Clinton would step away from his foundation’s daily operations — all significant concessions for his wife, one person added. [snip]

At the same time, Sen. Clinton’s aides say she hasn’t decided to take the secretary of state job even if the vetting hurdles were cleared. She is weighing whether she’d rather stay in the Senate to pass the universal health-care program that has been a centerpiece of her public career. After being “excited” about the prospect raised by Mr. Obama, said one adviser, Sen. Clinton is now grappling with the pros and cons in discussions with her husband, daughter Chelsea and close aides. As the adviser said, she would have to be subordinate to other personalities, rather than having her own voice as New York’s senator.

Thoughtful Hillary:

So the question facing her is whether she can make a mark as one of 100 and as a senator that lacks a specific jurisdiction over the issues she cares most about vs having a set turf (in the state dept) and platform from which she can command a spotlight.

Although plenty of other political stories are sure to come and go over the next few days, there is only one MAJOR story out there: Will New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton be secretary of State in President-elect Barack Obama’s Administration?

Hillary Clinton – The Change We Need. No matter her lack of seniority in the U.S. Senate, Hillary has strong supporters who know she is experienced and has a long history of actually accomplishing goals which benefit Americans as well as the entire world. Hillary because of her achievements and all her wonderful and rare qualities is a force to contend with regardless of formal titles:

Just in case Hillary Clinton is NOT to be the next Secretary of State…

…Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid is working on ways to increase Mrs. Clinton’s power and stature in the US Senate. He began discussing various options with Senator Clinton “about a week ago,” according to a senior Democratic leadership aide.

They are discussing two options: 1) Crafting a new leadership post that would give Senator Clinton a prominent policy role; and, 2) Giving Senator Clinton an additional plum committee assignment.

Currently, Senator Clinton is, of course, a relatively junior Senator and, as such, has little formal power in an institution that is largely run by seniority. Her biggest formal title is chair of an environmental subcommittee. She made a move a couple weeks ago to become chair of a health care policy subcommittee which would/could have taken the lead on health care, but Ted Kennedy blocked the move (he’ll be the lead on that, thank you very much). Senator Kennedy, however, yesterday announced that Senator Clinton will be one of three Senators with a key role in helping him craft health care legislation.

None of this is to suggest she is not going to be Secretary of State, but it is an indication that she is keeping other options open.

Also: Regarding the Secretary of State post, a key Democratic Senator who is close to Obama told me yesterday, rather emphatically, “It’s not a done deal, I can tell you that.”

More vetting and more Tarantino “Kill Bill 2” type nonsense:

What seems more potentially problematic is not revealing what’s happened in the past — but what the Obama Team wants to do about the future.

The view from Camp Clinton is that the Obama Team would too severely restrict what Bill Clinton is able to do to simply make a living. One source says the Obama Team seems to think it can demand that the former president abide by the restrictions put on a general government official, which just isn’t tenable.

There has even been talk of the Obama White House wanting to approve every speech the former President Gives gives, or any new source of income. [snip]

George H.W. Bush had no similar restrictions when he [sic] son was President, Clinton advocates say. Why would Bill Clinton have to stop doing what former presidents do — traveling the world, giving speeches, raising money for charitable works — when his wife is a mere Cabinet official?

The view is that this is the portfolio of a former President; to eliminate it — especially when Hillary Clinton still has more than $6 million in debt from her campaign — is unreasonable.

Darn that Bill Clinton doing charitable work, unlike other former presidents who enrich themselves.

No matter the obstacles, Bill and Hill keep on keeping on:

Bill Clinton has also indicated, according to sources, that he would be willing to step down as the functional leader of his foundation for the duration of his wife’s tenure in the Obama administration. He would readily agree, these sources say, to disclose any new sources of income and submit his speaking schedule — and his speeches — to State Department officials in advance. [snip]

She would be Secretary of State in an administration dominated by other foreign policy heavyweights. She will wonder where Joe Biden fits in to all of this; the two senators are collegial and competitive. There is some angst with Joe Biden’s circle of confidants about Clinton’s serving as Secretary of State. It is not clear whether Biden himself shares the angst.

Clinton’s every utterance would have to be prescreened; she would not be able to pick and choose her battles; she might be delimited by the State Department’s bureaucratic imperatives. On the other hand, it is conceivable that President Obama would hand Sen. Clinton a ticket with the words “Middle East Peace” printed on it, and say: “Go,” giving Clinton the flexibility and transitive authority to secure her place in history.

Hillary Clinton is ready on Day 1. Hillary Clinton is the Change We Need. Joe Biden has already warned American about the disasters to come with a B.O. administration.

Hillary is the change we need. Hillary should fight for change in the U.S. Senate and in her travels throughout America.

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225 thoughts on “Hillary Clinton – The Change We Need

  1. Would they screen all charitable work done by Theresa Heinz!!!!!

    would they screen all asisine comments by richardson…no on one hand he might be Bo’s Latino token cabinet memebr….

  2. Someone on the other thread mentioned Fox saying she’s staying in the Senate. I’ve heard that nowhere else. What was Fox’s source?

  3. admin says:

    “There is some angst with Joe Biden’s circle of confidants about Clinton’s serving as Secretary of State.”

    Of course there is angst…for a long time, Biden did not want to be VP ..if wanted SoS…but now he is a VP and a strong SoS would not settle well with him or his confidants striving for that coveted spot.

  4. It sounds like they were just repeating what was in that New York Times article which said she was weighing the independence issue.

  5. Yet another day…the dow plunges…even when the DEMS gains a new senator from Alaska…..

    It is a 5yr low…surely somebody must trust “THAT ONE” to manage the economy…..the thing noboby has confidence in “THAT ONE” or “BUSH TWO”…..

    As I say, if Hill gets the SoS, world markets will go up….just some level of confidence…but I want to see ABSOLUTELY ZERO THING DONE IN THE BO TIME”

  6. Biden will be so marginalised by the Kerry’s and the Richardson…with Hill he might have an ally within the BO cabinet at least..

  7. The economy is very shaky and nothing from Obama inspires any confidence in the market. What is not being said in the media is that Obama doesn’t inspire confidence and that Obama needs heavyweights like Hillary Clinton to provide the credibility that his administration desperately needs.

    I hope and pray that the Obama administration would not be as disastrous as we fear but I am also guarding against that possibility. If our fears prove true, then we should all stand ready to support the Democratic candidate willing to take him on in 2012. I hope that is Hillary.

  8. Obama’s cousin Odinga was with the supporters of these groups in northern kenya who have similar beliefs in Kenya!!!!!

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    Somali pirates transform villages into boomtowns
    By MOHAMED OLAD HASSAN and ELIZABETH KENNEDY – 1 hour ago

    MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) — Somalia’s increasingly brazen pirates are building sprawling stone houses, cruising in luxury cars, marrying beautiful women — even hiring caterers to prepare Western-style food for their hostages.

    And in an impoverished country where every public institution has crumbled, they have become heroes in the steamy coastal dens they operate from because they are the only real business in town.

    “The pirates depend on us, and we benefit from them,” said Sahra Sheik Dahir, a shop owner in Harardhere, the nearest village to where a hijacked Saudi Arabian supertanker carrying $100 million in crude was anchored Wednesday.

    These boomtowns are all the more shocking in light of Somalia’s violence and poverty: Radical Islamists control most of the country’s south, meting out lashings and stonings for accused criminals. There has been no effective central government in nearly 20 years, plunging this arid African country into chaos.

    Life expectancy is just 46 years; a quarter of children die before they reach 5.

    But in northern coastal towns like Harardhere, Eyl and Bossaso, the pirate economy is thriving thanks to the money pouring in from pirate ransoms that have reached $30 million this year alone.

    “There are more shops and business is booming because of the piracy,” said Sugule Dahir, who runs a clothing shop in Eyl. “Internet cafes and telephone shops have opened, and people are just happier than before.”

    In Harardhere, residents came out in droves to celebrate as the looming oil ship came into focus this week off the country’s lawless coast.

    Businessmen gathered cigarettes, food and cold bottles of orange soda, setting up kiosks for the pirates who come to shore to resupply almost daily.

    Dahir said she even started a layaway plan for them.

    “They always take things without paying and we put them into the book of debts,” she told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. “Later, when they get the ransom money, they pay us a lot.”

    Residents make sure the pirates are well-stocked in khat, a popular narcotic leaf, and aren’t afraid to gouge a bit when it comes to the pirates’ deep pockets.

    “I can buy a packet of cigarettes for about $1 but I will charge the pirate $1.30,” said Abdulqadir Omar, an Eyl resident.

    While pirate villages used to have houses made of corrugated iron sheets, now, there are stately looking homes made of sturdy, white stones.

    “Regardless of how the money is coming in, legally or illegally, I can say it has started a life in our town,” said Shamso Moalim, a 36-year-old mother of five in Harardhere.

    “Our children are not worrying about food now, and they go to Islamic schools in the morning and play soccer in the afternoon. They are happy.”

    The attackers generally treat their hostages well in anticipation of a big payday, hiring caterers on shore to cook spaghetti, grilled fish and roasted meat that will appeal to Western palates.

    And when the payday comes, the money sometimes literally falls from the sky.

    Pirates say the ransom arrives in burlap sacks, sometimes dropped from buzzing helicopters, or in waterproof suitcases loaded onto skiffs in the roiling, shark-infested sea.

    “The oldest man on the ship always takes the responsibility of collecting the money, because we see it as very risky, and he gets some extra payment for his service later,” Aden Yusuf, a pirate in Eyl, told AP over VHF radio.

    The pirates use money-counting machines — the same technology seen at foreign exchange bureaus worldwide — to ensure the cash is real. All payments are done in cash because Somalia has no functioning banking system.

    “Getting this equipment is easy for us, we have business connections with people in Dubai, Nairobi, Djibouti and other areas,” Yusuf said. “So we send them money and they send us what we want.”

    Despite a beefed-up international presence, the pirates continue to seize ships, moving further out to sea and demanding ever-larger ransoms. The pirates operate mostly from the semiautonomous Puntland region, where local lawmakers have been accused of helping them and taking a cut of the ransoms.

    For the most part, however, the regional officials say they have no power to stop piracy.

    Meanwhile, towns that once were eroded by years of poverty and chaos are now bustling with restaurants, Land Cruisers and Internet cafes. Residents also use their gains to buy generators — allowing full days of electricity, once an unimaginable luxury in Somalia.

    There are no reliable estimates of the number of pirates operating in Somalia, but they number in the thousands. And though the bandits do sometimes get nabbed, piracy is generally considered a sure bet to a better life.

    NATO and the U.S. Navy say they can’t be everywhere, and American officials are urging ships to hire private security. Warships patrolling off Somalia have succeeded in stopping some pirate attacks. But military assaults to wrest back a ship are highly risky and, up to now, uncommon.

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    Associated Press writers Mohamed Olad Hassan reported from Mogadishu and Elizabeth Kennedy from Nairobi, Kenya.

    (This version CORRECTS Corrects spelling of Harardhere throughout.)

  9. Wonder if these pirates/rebels are going against the elite Saudi’s…remember Osama bin laden going against the elite in Saudi!!

  10. Somali pirates transform villages into boomtowns
    By MOHAMED OLAD HASSAN and ELIZABETH KENNEDY – 1 hour ago

    MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) — Somalia’s increasingly brazen pirates are building sprawling stone houses, cruising in luxury cars, marrying beautiful women — even hiring caterers to prepare Western-style food for their hostages.

    And in an impoverished country where every public institution has crumbled, they have become heroes in the steamy coastal dens they operate from because they are the only real business in town.

    “The pirates depend on us, and we benefit from them,” said Sahra Sheik Dahir, a shop owner in Harardhere, the nearest village to where a hijacked Saudi Arabian supertanker carrying $100 million in crude was anchored Wednesday.

    These boomtowns are all the more shocking in light of Somalia’s violence and poverty: Radical Islamists control most of the country’s south, meting out lashings and stonings for accused criminals. There has been no effective central government in nearly 20 years, plunging this arid African country into chaos.

    Life expectancy is just 46 years; a quarter of children die before they reach 5.

    But in northern coastal towns like Harardhere, Eyl and Bossaso, the pirate economy is thriving thanks to the money pouring in from pirate ransoms that have reached $30 million this year alone.

    “There are more shops and business is booming because of the piracy,” said Sugule Dahir, who runs a clothing shop in Eyl. “Internet cafes and telephone shops have opened, and people are just happier than before.”

    In Harardhere, residents came out in droves to celebrate as the looming oil ship came into focus this week off the country’s lawless coast.

    Businessmen gathered cigarettes, food and cold bottles of orange soda, setting up kiosks for the pirates who come to shore to resupply almost daily.

    Dahir said she even started a layaway plan for them.

    “They always take things without paying and we put them into the book of debts,” she told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. “Later, when they get the ransom money, they pay us a lot.”

    Residents make sure the pirates are well-stocked in khat, a popular narcotic leaf, and aren’t afraid to gouge a bit when it comes to the pirates’ deep pockets.

    “I can buy a packet of cigarettes for about $1 but I will charge the pirate $1.30,” said Abdulqadir Omar, an Eyl resident.

    While pirate villages used to have houses made of corrugated iron sheets, now, there are stately looking homes made of sturdy, white stones.

    “Regardless of how the money is coming in, legally or illegally, I can say it has started a life in our town,” said Shamso Moalim, a 36-year-old mother of five in Harardhere.

    “Our children are not worrying about food now, and they go to Islamic schools in the morning and play soccer in the afternoon. They are happy.”

    The attackers generally treat their hostages well in anticipation of a big payday, hiring caterers on shore to cook spaghetti, grilled fish and roasted meat that will appeal to Western palates.

    And when the payday comes, the money sometimes literally falls from the sky.

    Pirates say the ransom arrives in burlap sacks, sometimes dropped from buzzing helicopters, or in waterproof suitcases loaded onto skiffs in the roiling, shark-infested sea.

    “The oldest man on the ship always takes the responsibility of collecting the money, because we see it as very risky, and he gets some extra payment for his service later,” Aden Yusuf, a pirate in Eyl, told AP over VHF radio.

    The pirates use money-counting machines — the same technology seen at foreign exchange bureaus worldwide — to ensure the cash is real. All payments are done in cash because Somalia has no functioning banking system.

    “Getting this equipment is easy for us, we have business connections with people in Dubai, Nairobi, Djibouti and other areas,” Yusuf said. “So we send them money and they send us what we want.”

    Despite a beefed-up international presence, the pirates continue to seize ships, moving further out to sea and demanding ever-larger ransoms. The pirates operate mostly from the semiautonomous Puntland region, where local lawmakers have been accused of helping them and taking a cut of the ransoms.

    For the most part, however, the regional officials say they have no power to stop piracy.

    Meanwhile, towns that once were eroded by years of poverty and chaos are now bustling with restaurants, Land Cruisers and Internet cafes. Residents also use their gains to buy generators — allowing full days of electricity, once an unimaginable luxury in Somalia.

    There are no reliable estimates of the number of pirates operating in Somalia, but they number in the thousands. And though the bandits do sometimes get nabbed, piracy is generally considered a sure bet to a better life.

    NATO and the U.S. Navy say they can’t be everywhere, and American officials are urging ships to hire private security. Warships patrolling off Somalia have succeeded in stopping some pirate attacks. But military assaults to wrest back a ship are highly risky and, up to now, uncommon.

  11. I MISS HILLARY!

    (was just watching the clip on NQ of the brilliant Senator Clinton on Charlie Rose several years ago – I have to wonder if we’re still going through more stages of grief..I must be)

  12. Asking for Bill clinton to reveal all his past and future donations and limiting free speech is a “CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE”

    Where is the outrage from ACLU etc…..

  13. The information that Admin posted, shows more information about BC, than we know about BO. What is wrong with this picture?

  14. Actually I hope they vet the Clintons to death and find absolutely nothing worth creating chaos over. Maybe then they will shut the “H” up!

    Furthermore, I would ask Mr. Obama whether he has no shame. Is he that desperate for fame that he needs to break the bank to celebrate his descending to the paper-thin win that he doesn’t give a damn that people are starving, losing their homes and investments?

  15. Entertainment Tonight (muted at the moment) opened up with all the lavish plans for the inauguration. I hope it tanks with bad taste and gaudiness.

  16. Entertainment Tonight (muted at the moment) opened up with all the lavish plans for the inauguration. I hope it tanks with bad taste and gaudiness
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    bread and circuses for the unsuspecting public

  17. Hi. My name is Barack Obama.

    I will be the next president of the United States. I was elected mainly on the “narrative of my story”, which is that I rose out of humble beginnings, came up through a humble career path (community organizer, crossing guard, paper sorter, recycler, senior caretaker, little old State senator, etc.), and rode the People’s Wave of Glorious Freedom to become president of the United States.

    Now, some people have said that I am incredibly egotistical, megalomaniacal even. Convention? Let’s have Roman pillars (Ionian or Doric, ah, that is the question). Inauguration…or Coronation?

    I appreciate that Maureen Dowd correctly points out that my awesomely efficient management style is reflected in how easily I won the primaries (wrapped that puppy up three weeks after Iowa in January), and the MOST ASTOUNDINGLY EFFICIENT TRANSITION IN WORLD HISTORY. Enough to Bill jealous. Yep, I’m pretty much the shit. Thanks, Maureen, for your astute observances. It’s not even editorial, you’re a god damn street reporter; nuthin’ but th’ facts, ma’am.

    Maureen likes to fuck with Bill and Hill because she detests them to the part of the bone that is actually below the marrow. So she may have gone a little overboard today when she said:

    &&&
    Obama is overlooking all his cherished dictums against drama and leaking and his lofty vetting standards to try and create a situation where the country can benefit from the talent of the Clintons while curbing their cheesy excesses, like their endless cash flow from foreigners.
    &&&

    I’m kinda glad she didn’t bring up all those foreign donations of mine that may or may not have been….well, I digress.

    Thank you, Maureen Dowd, for being a true amerikan patriot. For this, you’ll get front row seats to my coro…inauguration, which are now worth up to $40,000. So when I need you to do a bitch-favor, you’ll know who’s pulling your Pinnocchio strings.

    Bless you all, and God Damn Amerika!

    ALL HAIL TO ME…YOUR “HUMBLE” SERVANT.

  18. I’m just getting caught up a bit. I’ve been sick for a few days, but have seen some of the goings on, on TV with Hillary and Bill and this SOS job.

    Everytime I see Hill and Bill, I just have to smile. I love them and hope Hillary makes the right decision. I also hope she and Bill can become very sharp thorns in each of Bambi’s sides, lol.

    I have to laugh that there has been so much talk about the Clintons and not as much about Bambi.

    I was really upset with Hillary for stumping for Bambi, but I know if she would run again, I would vote for her. I just had to let a little time go by to get over my dissapointment. I do love seeing Hillary and Bill together and I hope they will be in Bambi’s face for the next four years.

    I don’t know that much about politics, (that is my one son’s passion and my late father’s), so I don’t know what she should decide, but I trust she’ll weigh everything and then come to the right decision.

    Admin, I do thoroughly enjoy your articles and thank you for allowing me to be a part of this blog. I stumbled on it accidentally while trying to find out things about Obama and stayed ever since. I don’t ever have much to contribute but love keeping up with everything. I was happy to have found a place where everyone was for Hillary. Thanks again.

  19. I’m just thinking all that money being spent on these posters of “office of the president-elect” and fliers and what not could be spent wisely on things you know instead on one’s face.

  20. # Paula Says:
    November 19th, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Wow, so MoDo acknowledges the Clintons have “talent.” Gee, that’s a first.
    &&&&

    Yes, very surprising to find this out.

    Talent? In the Clinton household?

  21. Admin: thank you for keeping us focused. We do not need to be worrying about this coronation crap. It is meaningless in the overall scheme of things and all the hyperbole they will bestoy on him now will come back to haunt him at a later time. I am trying to ignore that nonsense now and wait for act 3. I was offered an opportunity to work with an organization that will be setting up democracy programs in the third world and bobby jindal will be helping to get it started. I intend to say no because it is hypocracy to think we can teach anyone about democracy after seeing how bambi cheated the system. It is little more tnan a farce.

  22. JanH Says:
    November 19th, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    Actually I hope they vet the Clintons to death and find absolutely nothing worth creating chaos over.
    &&&&&

    Umm, that was called “The Nineties”.

    Created a whole industry: Rush, TingleLegs Matthews, and gosh, who knew:

    all those fucking horrible ultra-liberals.

    “Yeah, I hated how centrist the Clintons were”

    “Hillary was FOR the war…”

    “I can’t wait for a REAL HEALTH PLAN, like whatever piece of shit Obama is hawking, rather than 100% universal, choice that Hillary, the Wicked Witch of Arkansas, put forth.

  23. rgb44hrc Says:

    November 19th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
    VOMIT TIME
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    thanks for the warning. I think I will pass.

  24. As the stock markets contiinue their declines and Obama prepares to bankrupt Washington, D.C. in order to pay for his coronation
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    barcrack and floh (first lady of hate) make the beverley hillbillies look like pikers.

  25. Hi, Hillfriends!
    Hillary may have two very good choices. I trust her to make the choice that will best enable her to make our country and our world a better place. She IS the CHANGE WE NEED! Thank you for this refreshing article today, Admin.

  26. By the way, what is BO doing appointing Daschle, the king of Health Care and Big Pharma lobbyists to HHS in his lobbyist-free White House?

  27. Send us the list Bill or else write that book you promised to write this January. Keeping that 81 pages out of publication will likely become the next “sticking point” in the continued vetting of Bill and Hillary
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    Amen Admin: the public has a right to know what is in those 81 pages.

  28. Actually this thing with Daschle is a chess move agaibst Hillary……
    As Sec ofr HHS, Daschle will try to over-ride and under mine everything hillary does if she stays in Senate….

    Sorry but there you have it…!!!

    DASCHLE the Effing LOSER FROM SD hates the CLINTONS!!!!

  29. By the way, what is BO doing appointing Daschle, the king of Health Care and Big Pharma lobbyists to HHS in his lobbyist-free White House?
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    someone should ask the bots. I am sure bambi consults with them closely before he makes any move now that he has stolen the nomination.

  30. I want to see ABSOLUTELY ZERO THING DONE IN THE BO TIME”
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    mp: I am with you on that one. It is important to the long term future of this country in many different ways.

  31. Well isn’t this special…Penny Pritzker to be named commerce sec…The Repubs are going to have some fun with the confirmation hearings.

  32. SHV Says:

    November 20th, 2008 at 12:32 am
    Well isn’t this special…Penny Pritzker to be named commerce sec…The Repubs are going to have some fun with the confirmation hearings.

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    well, that is appropriate (not).

  33. WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. President-elect Barack Obama’s top choice to lead the U.S. Department of Homeland Security is Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, CNN reported on Wednesday, citing multiple sources.
    news.yahoo.com/i/716

  34. Interesting “factoid” on the nominee for HHS….Daschle was one of only two Dems. to endorse a warrantless domestic surveillance program. I wonder how long it will take the ‘obots to scrub that fact from the “net”.

  35. I’m respectfully disagreeing with admin on this one; she should take on the Secretary of State role with gusto — it will be perfect for her. She’s been a great Senator but she can accomplish more this way. We’re at a pivotal point in American history and our place in the world and position as the lone superpower needs redefining, and Hillary can do it.

    And hey, it drives Kerry and Richardson bananas too 🙂 ….from WaPo:

    ——–
    Obama’s consideration of Clinton for the top diplomatic post has puzzled supporters of other contenders, particularly Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, two men who endorsed Obama over Clinton in the Democratic presidential primaries at the cost of incurring considerable wrath from the Clinton camp. It also has perplexed rank-and-file Obama supporters who heard the candidate spend most of the primary contest critiquing Clinton’s foreign-policy mindset.

  36. ABM90: to me it almost feels like we are entering into a parallel universe where the nazis won world war II or the soviet union won the cold war and they install a dictator named obama as president of the United States to obliterate the american tradition, assume extra constitutional authority and make us part of some international cult movement. All they need is a reichstag fire. On a personal level they repulsive people–maybe that is part of the problem. Pritsker for commerce, neopolitano for homeland security, daschell for hhs, kerry or richardson for anything. Shades of Brownie and New Orleans.

  37. Admin, this post was one of your best!

    It points out that we are focusing on foreign donations to Clinton GLOBAL initiatives as if they are more nefarious than foreign donations to a U.S. candidate or U.S. legislation.

    We must know what foreigner or U.S. rich guy gave money to cure children of maladies in poor countries.
    We need to be able to swamp the rich guy with appeals for donations — for the inauguration for instance. We need to roil the Middle East by posting the donations of Muslim leaders alongside Jewish contributors so that they can be criticized if not bombed.

    This is so much more important than what the Bush family has accepted from Arab sheikhs. If the Obama administration does nothing else, it should shut down the global initiatives and restrict the Clintons from speaking out. Then we can have a real land of the uncharitable and home of the cult.

  38. wobboei: Etu good friend.I too have the feeling that this scenario is the second or third time around in my life.In 1936 I began my first new job after Hi school in the 96” Hot Srip Mill at J&L in Pgh.
    The newest largest fastest modern Steel mill in the world.Had to be hi school grad to qualify for it was pushbutton technology breaking the old ways of backbreaking laborers.The plant superintendent was also one of its designers and well liked.One year later while working the 3 to 11 shift a group of officials conducted a walk through for a team of visiting Japanese engineers and diplomats that were shown the wonders of our technology and capabilities.Little did we know then of what was in our near future.Within weeks our rolling schedule included a 24/7 production of armor plate for either KOBE or MITSUBIChi
    Fuzzy memory about that.Some time later we received woed that our great super had left for Russia with a new assignment to build a similar plant for their modernization program.As events
    began to shape up with the coming of Hitler Goehring Goebles and the holocaust and our draft in place and to be brief I found myself lying on my bunk after bkfst in a barracks a small contraband radio on above the heat ducts ‘It was Dec 7th and Pearl had been hit.Stunned and waiting for the fan to start throwing stuff we realized would be our future way of life.Later while on a journey by boat and looking back on life and wondering where I was going to end up,The scene of those little men with the slanted eyes admiring our new plant that would be supplyin grist for their own military mill ARMOR PLATE made in America Best in the world and it would soon be back to haunt us.
    Americans have always been loyal and trusting of their Allies and
    that attitude came back to haunt our politicians and our military.
    I firmly believe that fool me twice will now be a reality with the second coming of the lightweight Messiah Barack Hussein Obama.Emjay and wbboei this is the first time in my log life that I have been able have a forum for my still active memories and I thank you all my friends.My middle finger holding up well.I never could type.

    By ABM90 Hillary would never allow this sad era to occur again
    and she must not accept SoS.Bo cannot be trusted.

  39. ABM, Thanks for your recollections and perspective. You are an excellent reporter, you bring the story to life.

    I also like it when you get f’in p*ssed off.

  40. CONSUMER OBONFIDENCE:

    Dow Below 8,000. The stock market is really loving this guy.

    Here’s how you do The Obama Backslide:

    You take two steps back,
    you take one step forth,
    you take two more back,
    and you clean your portfolio out,
    you do the Obama Backslide
    and you cry a little more,
    that’s what it’s all about.

  41. If McCain won, and the market kept tanking, how much you wanna bet MSM would be laying this on his doorstep.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/business/economy/20econ.html?_r=1&em&oref=slogin

    Stocks Are Hurt by Latest Fear: Declining Prices

    After gyrating wildly for weeks, the stock market lurched lower on Wednesday, falling to its lowest point in nearly six years, as concern spread that the economy might be facing a chronic and debilitating decline in prices.

    The Dow Jones industrial average closed below 8,000 for the first time since early 2003 after new reports painted a grim picture of the economy and raised the specter of deflation, which would put more strain on hard-pressed businesses and workers.

    The Labor Department reported that prices of consumer goods and services fell by a record amount in October, while another report showed that a measure of home building fell for the fourth straight month, to its lowest level in the 49 years that the government has kept that data.

    (snip)
    &&&&&&&

    The word “Obama” is not in this article.

    &&&&&&&

    However, the RGB Times correctly points out the true culprit:

    Stocks Are Hurt by Latest Fear: US Coup d’ Etat Rattles Investors’ Nerves

    After gyrating wildly for weeks, mainly downward, **since Obama surged in the polls**, the stock market lurched lower on Wednesday, falling to its lowest point in nearly six years, as concern spread that the economy might be facing a chronic and debilitating decline in prices. Market analysts were reluctant to point out that fears of what could be radical new Obama tax and trade policies were actually behind the steady downward, but were afraid to say that openly, for fear of being labeled racists, and because their parent companies are heavily bought into the incoming administration.

    The Dow Jones industrial average closed below 8,000 for the first time since early 2003 after new reports painted a grim picture of the economy and raised the specter of deflation, which would put more strain on hard-pressed businesses and workers. Lightning quick appointments by the incoming president meant to convey a ruthlessly efficienct transition have yet to show any benefit.

    The Labor Department reported that prices of consumer goods and services fell by a record amount in October, while another report showed that a measure of home building fell for the fourth straight month, to its lowest level in the 49 years that the government has kept that data. Some analysts think it’s because people are planning to pull up and move out of this country.

  42. Admin, you amaze me with your sources of information.

    Do you think that the job is being offered to silence Bill’s book? I would love to see Hillary playing an important role on the National Scene, but I am not political smart enough to know where that should be.

    I really think O should stand on his own two feet, to see if can really produce hope and change. Instead of people making appear that he can. I hate to see the country in the shape it is in, and hate even more placing a leader in charge who has no executive leader skills, and seems more practiced in putting together speeches, and gala expensive events, when people are losing thier homes, cars and jobs.

  43. Obama’s consideration of Clinton for the top diplomatic post has puzzled supporters of other contenders, particularly Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, two men who endorsed Obama over Clinton in the Democratic presidential primaries at the cost of incurring considerable wrath from the Clinton camp. It also has perplexed rank-and-file Obama supporters who heard the candidate spend most of the primary contest critiquing Clinton’s foreign-policy mindset.

    LOL! Somebody should’ve told Kerry and Judas that back-stabbing doesn’t pay off in the end. Besides, the SoS job is much too important to be given as a reward for support, and Hillary brings considerably more to the table as SoS than they do.

  44. according to drudge – Iran has materials enough to make one atom bomb. My knee-jerk reaction – save us Hillary…which is probably what millions of others are thinking.

    this SOS or Senate leadership for Hillary issue – is drawing such considerable interest because so many people want to still see her as President. I wonder if this dynamic is going to continue in the years going forward (as if the competition in the primary is still ongoing). I think people need to rally around Clinton now and in years to come – demonstrate to her Dem peers that we are loyal and they cannot marginalize her. If BO had a cult, well, they haven’t seen anything yet…

  45. Someone mentioned earlier that they hoped nothing got done during Obama’s tenure. Given the world’s issues that keep getting worse and not better, I have to strongly disagree. I am big enough to want Obama, whether through Hillary or Clinton people assistance, to succeed and actually clean up his act.jmo

  46. I agree with you, JanH.

    BTW, check out this post on what the country could be facing in the next four years. It’s scary as hell.

    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/who-is-this-man-and-why-is-he-harshing-obamalots-mellow/

  47. Kerry poised to cap long journey
    Will lead panel that thrust him to fame in ’71

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/11/20/kerry_poised_to_cap_long_journey/

    WASHINGTON – More than three decades after he first appeared before the panel as a 27-year-old Vietnam veteran-turned-antiwar protester, Senator John F. Kerry will be named chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, giving him enormous influence over President-elect Barack Obama’s foreign policy, according to congressional officials.

    Kerry, who was elected to a fifth term from Massachusetts earlier this month, will be handed the gavel when the new Congress convenes in January, replacing Vice President-elect Joe Biden, the officials said.

    Aides to Kerry said he is already laying out a broad agenda for the committee, beginning with new legislation to strengthen the United States’ hand against terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan; provide oversight of efforts to end the war in Iraq; and seize what he sees as a new opportunity to curtail the spread of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons.

    Kerry, 64, is still considered by some political observers to be a possible pick for Obama’s secretary of state, but Senator Hillary Clinton of New York and former New Mexico governor Bill Richardson, each of whom met separately with Obama at his Chicago transition office last week, are considered far more likely selections for the position of top diplomat.

    Still, from his new perch on the Foreign Relations Committee, Kerry would play an “enormous gatekeeping role,” said Ralph G. Carter, a professor at Texas Christian University and coauthor of the upcoming book, “Choosing to Lead: Understanding Congressional Foreign Policy Entrepreneurs.”

    “The role of Senate Foreign Relations Committee chair is enormously influential,” Carter said. “It gives the person who holds it an incredible position to shape policy.”

    Along with the Judiciary and Finance committees, the Foreign Relations Committee was among the first three Senate panels established, in 1816.

    It is responsible for vetting international treaties before ratification by the full Senate, and for conducting the confirmation hearings for presidential nominees for the State Department, including all foreign ambassadors.

    The committee also oversees the State Department budget and funds foreign aid programs, helps set arms control policy, and authorizes military training for allied nations.

    Kerry’s elevation to chairman, to be announced as early as this week by Senate majority leader Harry Reid, is the culmination of a unique journey.

    It began when a shaggy-haired Kerry, wearing his military ribbons, testified for nearly two hours before the panel on April 22, 1971, the first Vietnam veteran to do so.

    Speaking on behalf of fellow veterans, he appealed for an end to US military involvement in Southeast Asia, posing the famous question, “How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?”

    In what proved to be a highly prescient remark, committee member Claiborne Pell of Rhode Island – a future chairman himself – expressed hope that the young Kerry would one day “be a colleague of ours in this body.”Continued…

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/11/20/kerry_poised_to_cap_long_journey/

  48. Paula

    Yes, back-stabbing, when the political world appeared to be based on the alliances built on what people had done for you. You take care of me, and I will take care of you. It looked like a cardinal rule. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

    Had a discussion with a relative who wanted to know if I was over it. I really got fired up. I said over what? If women get over the sexism that has happened her, they are fools. The loyalty that men have shown to men has not really transferred that well to loyalty to women, and this election with both the Dems and Reps is a clear example of that.

    If women get over this, then the sexism will continue, and we have done what abused people do, gone back to sleep with the enemy. My answer to the question of have I gotten over it is, I will not get over this until sexism has been defeated. If you do, you are sleeping with the enemy.

    I keep hearing talk about healing the wounds. If we let the sexism wounds heal, this prejudice will go on to resurface stronger the next time. Why, because the abuser know they can get away with it, and so they will come back, and even advance their attacks.

  49. if Hillary is not SOS, whomever gets that job will get a very deflated reaction from the public.

    I support whatever she wants to do – and we will have her back – and let the Dims know, don’t f*ck with our gal.

  50. JanH Says:

    November 20th, 2008 at 11:13 am
    Someone mentioned earlier that they hoped nothing got done during Obama’s tenure. Given the world’s issues that keep getting worse and not better, I have to strongly disagree. I am big enough to want Obama, whether through Hillary or Clinton people assistance, to succeed and actually clean up his act.jmo

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    I pretty much agree with the other poster about nothing getting done duridng Obama’s tenure. If people feel that the Clintons are so important to the country now, they should have voted for her in the primaries when they had the perfect chance to do so!!!! She nor Bill need to prop Obama up. First they claimed that her foreign experience wasn’t that spectacular and now all of a sudden she would be great !

    I am still upset at her for going overboard in supporting Obama. Hopefully, Sarah Palin will emerge and be a thorn in the haters side!! Looking forward to that happening.

  51. IF this happens……. it will be enough to make me move to a foreign country for sure!

    Forget Auto Bailouts, Can Michelle Obama Save the Fashion Industry?
    By Ken Shepherd | November 20, 2008 – 11:22

    Michelle Obama in ABCNews.com screen capture, Nov. 20, 2008 Finding Michelle Obama to be the “First Lady of Fashion,” ABCNews.com’s Luchina Fisher wondered if the president-elect’s wife could save the fashion industry.

    Michelle Obama will soon be the nation’s first lady and mom in chief, but others are expecting even grander things from her, like saving the fashion industry.

    And who in their right mind would think that?:

    “We’re all obviously trying to look at the silver lining,” designer Norma Kamali told ABCNews.com. “Where do we look for hope, an opportunity to create good feelings for the customer? There is real hope with Michelle Obama. I think she can keep women interested in purchasing.”

    http://www.newsbusters.org/

  52. from Jake Tapper article:

    The view from Camp Clinton is that the Obama Team would too severely restrict what Bill Clinton is able to do to simply make a living. One source says the Obama Team seems to think it can demand that the former president abide by the restrictions put on a general government official, which just isn’t tenable.

    There has even been talk of the Obama White House wanting to approve every speech the former President Gives gives, or any new source of income.

    And while the former President’s team says he’s willing to disclose that information ahead of time, they aren’t willing to submit each speech opportunity for approval.

    *****
    starting to think that maybe Bill Clinton does have dirt on Obama and they just want to muzzle him.

  53. Though I hope that Obama succeeds in solving the problems of the country, I am not confident that he will. Bringing in technocrats from the Clinton administration will help but it will all boil down to the President – his philosophy, management style and leadership will determine whether or not he is successful. Nothing so far from the Obama camp has inspired confidence. Let’s wait and see.

    Even now while we wish him all the success, we must prepare for the need to take him down. If all our fears prove correct, we must be ready to support a proper candidate – one who has the experience and skills to bring us out of recession and protect our national interests.

  54. djia Says:

    November 20th, 2008 at 11:40 am
    IF this happens……. it will be enough to make me move to a foreign country for sure!

    Forget Auto Bailouts, Can Michelle Obama Save the Fashion Industry?
    &&&&&&&&&

    From the comments I’ve heard about her “style”, comments such as “Yeeesh”, I really doubt this right woman.

    But no doubt, she’ll spend a LOT of money, to wind up looking simply dreadful.

  55. From the list of Robama appointments to his cabinet and whitehouse staff it resembles payback time for the supporting cast in the greatest scam in this country’s history.Hillary please don’t go near this group of shills.They will destroy all the good work you have accomplished for our country and any attempts by you to set the country right once more.You will be dealing with and reporting to person that has no clue about anything but his lust for power.

    By ABM90 Alarmed and worried about the highjacking going on.

  56. Even now while we wish him all the success, we must prepare for the need to take him down. If all our fears prove correct, we must be ready to support a proper candidate – one who has the experience and skills to bring us out of recession and protect our national interests.

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    Rickya,

    I don’t understand your reasoning. How can you wish someone success and at the same time want to bring that person down. If he is successful, then he will be re-elected! Frankly, I don’t think HIllary could run successfully against Obama anyway. She will be reluctant to really hammer him due to being labeled a racist or worse. Now Sarah Palin don’t seem to have any problem at all going after Obama.

  57. The more I think about it, the more I realize how the “fix” was in from as early as after Kerry’s 04 embarrassment. They(Dean, Pelosi, Brazille, etc) saw this guy as the perfect way to get rid of the Clintons ‘ political future. Again, why Hillary and Bill seemingly were the only one’s unaware of this movement will always puzzle me.

  58. SCOTUS To Review Birth Certificate Case on December 5
    » by Bill Dupray in: Barack Obama, Constitution, Law, Supreme Court

    This story may have legs after all. From World Net Daily.

    A case that challenges President-elect Barack Obama’s name on the 2008 election ballot citing questions over his citizenship has been scheduled for a “conference” at the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Conferences are private meetings of the justices at which they review cases and decide which ones to accept for formal review. This case is set for a conference Dec. 5, just 10 days before the Electoral College is scheduled to meet to make formal the election of Obama as the nation’s next president.

    The Supreme Court’s website listed the date for the case brought by Leo C. Donofrio against Nina Wells, the secretary of state in New Jersey, over not only Obama’s name on the 2008 election ballot but those of two others, Sen. John McCain and Roger Calero. . . .

    If four of the nine justices vote to hear the case in full, oral argument may be scheduled.

    There is more at Maggie’s Notebook and America’s Right.

    patriotroom.com/scotus-to-review-birth-certificate-case-on-december-5/

  59. November 20, 2008
    The Glass Ceiling Holds Strong
    By Marie Cocco

    WASHINGTON — It is time to stop kidding ourselves. This wasn’t a breakthrough year for American women in politics. It was a brutal one.

    The glass ceiling remains firmly in place — not cracked, as Hillary Clinton insisted as she tried to claim rhetorical victory after her defeat in the Democratic nominating contest. It wasn’t even scratched with the candidacy of Sarah Palin as the Republican vice presidential nominee — unless you consider becoming an object of national ridicule to be a symbol of advancement. As divergent as these two women are ideologically and temperamentally, as different as are their resumes, they both banged their heads — hard — against the ceiling. Both were bruised. So was the goal of advancing women in political leadership.

    Even if President-elect Barack Obama chooses Clinton as secretary of state, no ground will be broken. Clinton would be the third woman to hold the post. And there is no longer anything extraordinary in a president naming women to his Cabinet. Franklin D. Roosevelt did it first, when he appointed Frances Perkins as labor secretary in 1933. Since then, every president but Harry Truman and John F. Kennedy has named women to the Cabinet or to Cabinet-level posts, according to the Center for American Women and Politics at Rutgers University. Bill Clinton holds the record: He appointed 16 women overall, and at one point about half of those serving in Clinton’s Cabinet were female.

    But, we are invariably told, surely there are enough women moving through the “pipeline” of lower offices so that someday, some woman from somewhere will win the presidency or the vice presidency. Well, here is how things stand: Eight women will serve as governors in 2009, the same as this year. The proportion of women serving in statewide elective office actually has dropped since it reached a high of about 28 percent in 2000; it is now about 24 percent, according to the center.

    The Senate will add one woman next year, bringing the number of female senators to 17. Ten newly elected House members are female. This means that as the class of 2008 enters the Capitol’s marble halls, it will include less than half the number of women who first won office in 1992 — the so-called “year of the woman.”

    Including incumbents and newcomers, a record number of women will be serving in Congress, but still only 17 percent of its members will be female. This is where that record places us: on a par with the legislative representation women have achieved in sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean. The United Nations, which tracks women’s global political advancement, says that at this rate, it will take women in the developing world 40 years to reach parity with men.

    How long will it take us? We already are well into the fourth decade since the contemporary women’s movement of the 1970s spawned a generation that sought to claim an equal place in the halls of power.

    Those who watched the media’s sexist hazing of both Clinton and Palin often rationalize this treatment as the result of these two candidates’ particular personalities and the legitimacy — or presumed illegitimacy — of their campaigns. But Barbara Lee, whose Boston-based family foundation has conducted extensive research of gubernatorial races involving women, routinely identifies the same undercurrents in state campaigns. Voters demand more experience of a woman candidate, and judge her competence separately from whether she is sufficiently “likable.” Male candidates typically must clear only the competence bar to be judged — as Obama indelicately put it during a primary debate — “likable enough.”

    “We heard that over and over again — that no woman is ever right,” Lee says of her focus groups. “They like the concept of it but when it comes to a real, live, breathing candidate, they don’t.”

    Lee summarizes the disparate assessment this way: “There are no female Arnold Schwarzeneggers.” That is, no woman will ever burst into politics, capture the voters’ imagination and be catapulted into high public office without a lick of experience.

    Yet American women are a majority of the population and a majority of the electorate. They earn more than half the bachelor’s and master’s degrees, a level of educational achievement far exceeding that of women in developing countries. There must be some reason we don’t do any better than women in impoverished, rural regions of the world where cultural norms oppress women.

    Maybe it is because our culture isn’t so different after all.
    mariecocco@washpost.com

  60. jbstonesfan Says:

    November 20th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
    The more I think about it, the more I realize how the “fix” was in from as early as after Kerry’s 04 embarrassment. They(Dean, Pelosi, Brazille, etc) saw this guy as the perfect way to get rid of the Clintons ‘ political future. Again, why Hillary and Bill seemingly were the only one’s unaware of this movement will always puzzle me.

    I will also never understand that the Bill and Hill did not realise it earlier…

  61. What the Obama camp really wants to do is put a muzzle on Bill C. about the fraud and theft of an election. They are desparately trying to find some way to keep a lid on what Bill C. knows. I think its funny as shit, like I have always said, “those who laugh last, laugh the loudest”. GO Bill hang them out to dry. If you write the book, it will be a best seller in 1 day.

  62. mp – 18 million people who voted for Hill didn’t know either. Some people still believe in democracy.

  63. Ummm, I think BC and HRC were completely ready to be assaulted from the right. They also knew there going to be Democratic challengers. I doubt that Hill/Bill assumed only the nicest behavior from opponents in the primary. And I think they had a good idea about Obama not wanting to “wait his turn”. But I don’t think they anticipated how off the charts evil the Dems would turn.

    When they did, the DNC lost a lot of long time hard workers like us folk. Now, they’re just another hack pollitical party. They destroyed what last little bit of faith we had in the political system. Slime buckets them all.

  64. From Gawker:

    Unreconstructed Liberals have their own reasons for disliking the Clintons, and movement conservatives obviously have even more, but what the hell explains the pathological antipathy the Washington Press Corps still feels for President Bill and Senator Hillary Clinton? The roots of it go back 16 years or so, but what’s amazing is to see it still in such pristine condition, as if we haven’t had eight terrible years to get over it. Now, as the Hillary Clinton for Secretary of State job offer becomes yet another press-driven telenovela, with the Clintons as, I dunno, the country’s presumed dead ex-lover who just turned up on the day of our wedding to Barack Obama, or something, it’s instructive to see how the press corps still sees the former first family.

    Christopher Hitchens comes at the Clinton issue as an old-timey Leftist (leftists hate liberals!) and also a drunken contrarian, but his comments and criticisms have been accepted by the resolute centrists of the DC press corps as a, bizarrely, an argument against Clinton with a great deal of popular support. The opinion of Chris Hitchens represents the views of precisely one person on this planet. He is representative of no one on the left, right, or in the center. You wouldn’t know that from listening to Joe Scarborough:

    Scarborough: “What he said may resonate with some of her critics.”

    By “some of her critics,” he meant the press.

    Scarborough: “Hitchens last night weighed in on it and basically spoke for a lot of Hillary detractors.”

    By “a lot of Hillary detractors,” he meant the press.

    Scarborough: “He talked about…concerns that a lot of Clinton detractors may be bringing up.”

    Scarbrough’s Clinton hatred is natural—he’s an old GOP congressman from the Gingrich era, hating Clinton was his political job. But Chris Matthews, blue-collar catholic millionaire Democrat television personality, has hated Bill for his terrible moral failings since forever. He’s pissed that we’re not “done with the Clintons.” As is Maureen Dowd, who repeated the tired line about Clinton besmirching the pristine White House just a few weeks ago. That’s the line the DC press corps has followed since the terrible Clintons showed up in Washington in 1992—these idiot outsiders are marching into town like they own the place! They’re ruining the furniture!

    The White House, home to Nixon and LBJ and various slave-owners since its construction, has been the organized crime capital of the nation more times than we can count, but it was fellatio that destroyed the dignity and honor of the office.

    For a taste of how weird and pervasive and completely out-of-touch this attitude is, watch Newsweek editor Jon Meacham’s Daily Show interview from last night. He makes two out-of-left-field context-free Clinton jokes that just fall completely flat, and he seems befuddled that not everyone else thinks it’s self-evident that the Clintons were uncouth maniacs akin to the intoxicated mob of commoners who destroyed the White House during Andrew Jackson’s inauguration. And Meacham, editor of Newsweek, is the best possible example of a serious, middle-of-the-road serious Washington Press Corps member.

    So the firestorm over the Hillary Clinton SecState gig is almost entirely imagined. We have our own issues with it, but they’d apply equally to about two dozen other prominent Democrats, especially Senators. It’s just bizarre to see that the no one remembers the lesson of the ’90s: that it can and will get so, so much worse.
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  65. Though I hope that Obama succeeds in solving the problems of the country, I am not confident that he will. Bringing in technocrats from the Clinton administration will help but it will all boil down to the President – his philosophy, management style and leadership will determine whether or not he is successful. Nothing so far from the Obama camp has inspired confidence. Let’s wait and see
    ——————————————————-
    Oh I think this sos thing will turn out to be one more fiasco. He has let his minions float the story the press glommed on to it, world leaders gave behind the scenes assent or did so through people like Kissinger because they did not wish to be seen as interfering in other country’s affairs. But they have decided. That article in The Guardian is also a signal. I think he does not want to offer her the job and his staffies got out in front of him. But if he fails to offer her the job and when trouble occurs and the dufus he does select most likely Kerry cannot handle it they will say we could have had Hillary. The fact that Reid and Kennedy would be creating positions for her in Congress suggests the way Obama is attempting to get the genie back in the bottle.

    This will become a growing list that will be the legacy of his administration. Once we get past this coronation business–it will be a comedy when we look back on it–its the going through it thats miserable. If this were intrade, now would be a good time to sell short. The stock will underperform disaterously in the years to come. And it will be remembered when the press tries to cover for him on some future problem, he changes his position and leaves them holding the bag. Perhaps they can commit suicide together.

    A friend of mine just got back from the annual meeting of the International Foundation of Employee Benefits and told me that everything there is gloom and doom. Apparently they do not understand that we are about to inaugurate a Messiah, and as the song says the difficult is easy the impossible may take a while. They dont seem to believe that he will have it all turned around. On the contrary they seem to think that his socialistic high taxes pronouncements and policies will roil and tank market.

    I get so mad when I hear people say that. It is heresy to express doubt, any doubt about this secular messiah. Obama said let there be light and there was. Obama said let there be a recovery in the economy and there will be. Whatever Obama says Obama gets–including our 401 k savings (see Pelosi’s lieutenant George Miller). Change, hope, revoultion. Lets all just surrender our common sense, experience and better judment, join the cult and drink the koolaid. James Jones lives.

    ABM90: sure enjoyed your story. There is a vignette in the novel Once An Eagle, when the protagonist who is a senior combat commander who won the Congressional Medal of Honor at Belleau Woods in World War I makes the same observation you do, noting that American Industrialists like dare I say it the Bushes are making bullets for the Imperial Japan so they can have their beautiful homes in thr Berkley Hills and the Japanese can have munitions to fire back at us when our boys are dragged into war with them by the thrust of events.

  66. ABM 90: I am worried about Emjay. She has not been on this site for a week and I have been unable to reach her by phone. The last posting was on veterans day and it had to do with the terrible loss her family suffered on the closing days of world war II. I hope all is well and I am just worrying about nothing. She is a wonderful human being.

  67. confloyd Says:

    November 20th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
    What the Obama camp really wants to do is put a muzzle on Bill C. about the fraud and theft of an election. They are desparately trying to find some way to keep a lid on what Bill C. knows. I think its funny as shit, like I have always said, “those who laugh last, laugh the loudest”. GO Bill hang them out to dry. If you write the book, it will be a best seller in 1 day.

    * * * * * * *
    IMHO, the only thing that could put a muzzle on Bill is if Hill would be appointed SOS. There must be some kind of “chicken” game going on here!

  68. I would like to see Hillary resign from the Senate and start her own foundation like Bill…she can be more effective, and if the timing is right, can try once again in 2012.

  69. November 20th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
    wbboei Says:

    “He has let his minions float the story the press glommed on to it…”
    * * * * *
    MSM pushing the story this morning that it was the Clinton Camp that did the leaking or floating. That’s simply untrue, isn’t it?

  70. Chicago businesswoman Penny Pritzker, national campaign finance chairwoman for the Obama campaign, has taken herself out of the running to be secretary of Commerce because of vetting issues, a Democratic official said.

    “She fears problems with her confirmation based on past business dealings,” the official said.

    Pritzker was featured in a flurry of news reports as a likely secretary of commerce. But senior officials repeatedly — and correctly — told Politico that was not true.

    Pritzker is a billionaire heiress to the Hyatt hotel fortune.

    —–

    It has started…after all she was on the finance cmte for BO’s campaign…where did tjhe fraud money come from and how come she did not know who from??? Commerce..illegal trade…

  71. jbstonesfan Says:

    November 20th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
    I would like to see Hillary resign from the Senate and start her own foundation like Bill…she can be more effective, and if the timing is right, can try once again in 2012.


    Amen…she can say whatever she wants to WITHOUT ANYBODY STOPPING HER!!!!!!! She needs to get out of elected position and she can so wonders in the private field…

  72. EVERYBODY LOVES A WINNER….TO BE TAKEN DOWN

    File it under”Ruh roh…”. Thanks for all the info, djia! Now that he’s been installed, the vetting can begin. If anything turns up stinky, I’m sure they’ll fudge past it to install him.

    The commemorative plate and coin industry, and MSM, would go under in one fell swoop if Mr. Hopey doesn’t take the country down the aisle in the Shotgun Wedding of the Century.

    &&&&&&&&
    djia Says:
    November 20th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
    Elections Officials May Audit Obama’s Fundraising
    &&&&&&&&&

    djia Says:
    November 13, 2008
    EXCLUSIVE: Did Next Commander-in-Chief Falsify Selective Service Registration? Never Actually Register? Obama’s Draft Registration Raises Serious Questions
    &&&&&&&&&

    djia Says:
    November 20th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
    SCOTUS To Review Birth Certificate Case on December 5
    » by Bill Dupray in: Barack Obama, Constitution, Law, Supreme Court

  73. LET THE DIRT THROWING BEGIN:

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081120/ap_on_go_pr_wh/napolitano_controversies

    Napolitano is no stranger to Washington scandals

    WASHINGTON – President-elect Barack Obama’s likely pick for Homeland Security secretary, Janet Napolitano, is no stranger to headline-making Washington scandals and controversies.

    Napolitano was a U.S. attorney in Phoenix, appointed by former President Bill Clinton, when the Justice Department decided against prosecuting Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain’s wife, Cindy, for the theft of prescription drugs from her medical charity.

    Mrs. McCain went public in 1994 about her prescription drug addiction, admitting she stole medicine from the charity several times between 1990 and 1992. A doctor wrote prescriptions at her direction for medical missions around the world, and she sometimes increased the amounts, keeping some for herself. The Justice Department decided against prosecuting Mrs. McCain after she agreed to undergo drug treatment. She said in 1994 that she had kicked her addiction.

    Napolitano spokeswoman Jeanine L’Ecuyer said Thursday that Napolitano was acting U.S. attorney at the time and recused herself from the Cindy McCain matter because Napolitano was awaiting Senate confirmation.

    “The governor was interim U.S. attorney. She did have responsibilities of the office but was waiting confirmation by the U.S. Senate. Because McCain would ultimately vote on her nomination and this involved a senator’s wife, she was in her words, ‘walled off’ from this case,” L’Ecuyer said.

    While at a Phoenix law firm in 1991, Napolitano was part of the legal team representing Anita Hill, a former Equal Employment Opportunity Commission colleague of Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas who accused Thomas of sexual harassment. Hill’s accusations jeopardized but ultimately failed to derail the Senate’s confirmation of Thomas.

    Napolitano’s representation of Hill became an issue in 1993 when the Senate considered Clinton’s nomination of Napolitano for the U.S. attorney’s job. Napolitano refused to answer questions about a private conversation with one of Hill’s witnesses, Susan Hoerchner. At issue was whether Napolitano persuaded Hoerchner, Hill’s corroborating witness, to change her testimony.

    Hoerchner initially told the Senate Judiciary Committee during its Thomas hearings that Hill had told her in the early 1980s that she had been sexually harassed by Thomas. After Napolitano requested and had a private conversation with her, Hoerchner told the committee she wasn’t certain of the date Hill told her about the alleged harassment. Napolitano said she couldn’t answer questions about the talk because Hoerchner wouldn’t waive her right to confidentiality.

    Some Republicans accused Napolitano of stonewalling the committee and contended it could cause a dangerous precedent if the panel confirmed a nominee without having all the information it needed. Democrats defended her, saying Napolitano wanted to be forthcoming but couldn’t due to attorney-client privilege.

    Some senators said at the time that Hoerchner had admitted before talking with Napolitano that she was just guessing about the date Hill first said she’d been harassed by Thomas. A book published after the Thomas hearings said the date Hoerchner guessed, September 1981, was before Hill went to work for Thomas.

  74. MoDo was marveling at the World’s Most Efficient Transition.

    Obama is already living in the WhiteHouse? He was already secretly sworn in?

    Maureen, you snarky little Miss Cleverbyhalf. In case you haven’t noticed, the Obama transition consists of taking almost entirely from the Clinton administration, filtering out those who did not stab Hillary in the back, and fast tracking the rest. Sure, there are some long haul Obama campaign people in there.

    But Maureen, speed isn’t everything. Do you want your lover to be done with you in 30 seconds?

    Obama won the Footrace to be the Fastest Man to Resign. Wow. He’s amazing. That guy can quit anything real fast….except cigarettes.

  75. BTW, that whole Penny Pritzer thing is weird. She’s said to be the Commerce pick and within a few hours she pulls herself out of consideration?

  76. Paula Says:

    November 20th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
    BTW, that whole Penny Pritzer thing is weird. She’s said to be the Commerce pick and within a few hours she pulls herself out of consideration?

    ————————————————————————————-

    Maybe, she didn’t want to go through the vetting process.

  77. LOL…I can’t help wondering if Obama is going to get sick and tired of his every eye movement being documented by the media.

  78. Welcome to Washington, lol, where it’s impossible to control leaks and the press looks to makes stories out of nothing.

  79. I’m waiting for the media to come out and say there has been a mad run to hair salons by women wanting to look like M.O. 😉

  80. BHO is a joke….I am hearing/reading all these vetting process for all these people.

    Did this con artist get through this process? HELL NO…..I did not know what the people
    were F**NG thinking when they voted for him…

  81. independent said:
    How can you wish someone success and at the same time want to bring that person down.
    ==========

    The more successful Bill Clinton was, the more some people worked to bring him down.

    Obama won’t have sex scandals, but could get caught lying about something else, or authorizing burglaries, for instane.

  82. Paula Says:

    November 20th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
    BTW, that whole Penny Pritzer thing is weird. She’s said to be the Commerce pick and within a few hours she pulls herself out of consideration?
    &&&

    Pritzker: “Oh, they’re going to ask for EVERYTHING? Can’t I get the Obama treatment?”

  83. turndownobama-com Says:
    Obama won’t have sex scandals,
    &&&&

    He already screwed 18,000,000 voters. Now he’s after the remaining 300,000,000 citizens.

  84. if BHO does not implement his hidden socialistic agenda or other hidden agenda which we do not know yet, then he may success.

  85. Poor Bambi supporter Buffet billionaire is having a tough time with GE, BAC (who used his advse to buy country wide), AIG and other financial stocks…

    I want many billionaire club’s worth on paper wiped out….

    May be he and others will attend the racism forum at the UN…

    And Obama’s saudi’s ally and major stockholder in Citibank is not helping either!!!

  86. New Mexico Fan said:
    I really think O should stand on his own two feet, to see if can really produce hope and change. Instead of people making appear that he can.
    ================

    I think the facts are more important: preventing WWIII, saving people’s homes, etc.

    Who gets credit for it is much less important, and depends on the media anyway.

  87. AHA! THE TRUE MOTIVE BEHIND THE BILL CLINTON VETTING

    Obama: “Hillary, the only way you can properly be vetted is for you to give me mon…I mean, for Bill to clear the air about …about…his donor list. Yeah. Yeah. That’s the ticket.”

    Hillary: “You sly dog. You already have the World Longest….Donor List”

    Bill: “If it will shut you up, here it is.”

    Obama: “Thanks. By the way, we went with someone else. But don’t you feel good that you were on the short list?”

    Bill: “You fell for my play. We never thought you’d give her the SoS. This was just to make you look bad. Caught you reaching for the cookies, and you didn’t do your errands”.
    &&&&&&&&&

    Bill Clinton Sends Donor List to Obama to Help Hillary’s Bid
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    news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20081120/pl_bloomberg/a21tm6czkwtc

    Nov. 20 (Bloomberg) — Bill Clinton has sent President- elect Barack Obama’s transition team a list of more than 200,000 donors to his foundation, according to a Democrat familiar with the process, the latest sign both sides are trying to clear obstacles to Hillary Clinton’s possible nomination as U.S. secretary of state.

    “I’ll do whatever they want,” the former president told reporters in New York yesterday. “This is a deal between” Obama “and Hillary,” he said.

    The 200,000 or so names comprise the universe of donors to Clinton’s presidential library and foundation. This is separate from the Clinton Global Initiative, which operates under the aegis of the foundation but does not directly take money from the donors.

    The list of contributors ranges from those who gave a few dollars to wealthy foreign leaders and business people who donated multimillion-dollar gifts, the Democrat familiar with the matter said.

    Clinton may attempt to avoid publicly releasing the names of donors because many may have expected to remain confidential when they contributed. The Clinton and Obama teams could seek donors’ permission to reveal their names — a potentially lengthy process. The Wall Street Journal earlier reported Clinton would publicly disclose some donor information to the Obama transition team.

    During Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, the former president said he would release information on future donors if she were elected.

    Meeting With Obama

    Senator Clinton traveled to Chicago last week to meet with Obama about the Cabinet position. The process has been complicated by concerns that the former president’s private business interests with foreign governments and companies could create conflicts for his wife if she were the top U.S. diplomat.

    Obama hasn’t offered the job to the New York senator, his former rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, and she hasn’t decided if she would take it, the Democrat familiar with the process said.

    In another Cabinet development, former South Dakota Senator Tom Daschle has accepted Obama’s offer to become Health and Human Services secretary and lead the effort to revamp the U.S. health-care system, a Democratic official familiar with the matter said yesterday.

    If Hillary Clinton were to become secretary of state, her husband might decide to unwind his investments as the Clintons promised he would do if she were elected president.

    Clinton Holdings

    These include three Cayman Islands investment entities that Clinton joined through Yucaipa Cos. LLC, a company controlled by California billionaire Ron Burkle. Dubai Investment Group, an investment vehicle of the ruler of Dubai, Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum, has been among the partners with Burkle and Clinton in the Cayman Islands.

    During the primary campaign, Matt McKenna, a spokesman for Bill Clinton, said that, while the former president hadn’t then “severed ties” with Yucaipa, he “is taking steps to ensure” that “there will be an appropriate transition for those relationships” if his wife won the Democratic presidential nomination.

    Clinton’s office and a spokesman for Yucaipa would not say yesterday if he has withdrawn from his Yucaipa involvement.

  88. JanH Says:

    November 20th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
    I’m waiting for the media to come out and say there has been a mad run to hair salons by women wanting to look like M.O.

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    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This comment made my day!!!

  89. Some of you are seeing this whole secretary of state fiaso as some nefarious plot by the omniponent all powerful and consumately evil obama to embarrass bill clinton on a world stage act 345. Include me out.

    Consumately evil–now that I will buy. But omniponent–naww. Only in the mind of a bought and paid for loon like modo. And they though the dodo bird was extinct. You will be sad to know it is alive an well at the NYT–sadder still to know that anyone reads it. I would sooner listen to Charles Manson discuss the sanctity of life.

    If the press knew anything about navigation and natutical charts, they would know that when plotting a course it is a good idea to get your first fix right. If you dont it is very hard to get back on course. In other words, one false story begets another and then another and then another until the truth is nowhere to be found.

    If it were true that Hillary is not interested in the job of sos then why would bill agree to disclose his donors and even agree to some of these restrictions. Her statements sound to me like posturing. Obama people are feeding false stories to the press and outfits like FOX are willing to be used now in the hope that they will gain access despite the opposition seen. Meanwhile Dick Morris was caught lying about Hillary doing the leak–it came from the Obama side. Just remember her laugh. The irony was not lost.

    The world wants Obama to appoint Hillary whether his hopium addicts, media whores like it or not. But his people plot and scheme to come up with deal killer questions and Bill comes back and answers them which showcases the good work he is doing in the world which they just hate to hear. I can only assume that whenever he says yes they say oh shit that wont work–how are we gonna get prescious out of this one.

    How do we get prescious out of this one. That will become the constant refrain at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Just give it time. And the consistent answer will be this: simple just lie about it and plant false stories. They believe that will work and everyone will believe him because he is lest we forget the messiah. Unfortunately for him the only Messiah I know died on the cross over two thousand years ago.

    In the meantimes, the infallibly wrong NYT reports that there is little joy in mudville (Chicago) because all these bots want assume their rightful place at the public trough since he is the one that THEY– the repulsive people have been waiting for. But the lack of a decision over whether Hillary will be appointed is holding everything in abeyance. Ditto who nit wit Patterson would appoint to replace her senate position. These articles are manufactured by the Obama camaign believe me.

    Earth to bambi: all it requires to make a contract is an offer, an acceptance, consideration and a meeting of the minds. You cannot continue to procrastinate. The world is watching and your trough feeders are poised like sooners ready for the word–go!

    Since your campaign signalled the offer and the Clintons have been responsive to your inquiries it is now time for you to confirm it. Then she can accept or reject. But until you make that offer or withdraw it the monkey is on your back.

    And take it from an old friend like me: you are starting to look ridiculous around the world if you procrastinate further.

  90. Frankly, if the Clinton’s are supplying all this information (most of it available online), I would think, that Senator Clinton is serious about the offer. BC seems to be doing anything he can to facilitate the move.

  91. birdgal Says:
    November 20th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
    Frankly, if the Clinton’s are supplying all this information (most of it available online), I would think, that Senator Clinton is serious about the offer.
    =============

    Hm? If the info is already available online, then why is supplying it a sign that she is serious about the offer?

    Also, we’ve seen this vetting movie before, in the VP choice. Whatever isn’t online, the Clintons may have supplied already this summer.

    Is there evidence that Bill is supplying anything new and important? As someone said, by doing this he’s getting publicity for his charity work. (And, I hope, getting sympathy and making BO look silly.)

  92. turndown: See Admin’s posting. Much of the information is public. Not all, but a lot of it is.

    Doesn’t it seem like posturing on both sides?

  93. The senate …especially if republicans…should do the same type of vetting for all cabinet members..

    I do not know if the senate will be filibuter proof or not yet!!!!

    HOPE NOT!!!!!

  94. All hail Obama “THE ONE” – Dear Leader Barack Hussein Oba-Mao.

    Obama’s Mug on D.C. Subway Cards for Inauguration
    3:22 pm by Walter Alarkon

    The subway system in Washington, D.C., is making fare cards featuring President-elect Barack Obama’s image to commemorate his inauguration as the 44th president.

    SmarTrip cards with Obama’s smiling face will be available in January, Metro spokesman Stephen Taubenkibel told DCist. Regular fare cards marking the Jan. 20 inauguration will be available in late December.

    Images of the Obama card were shown at a recent Metro Board of Directors meeting. See the mock-up below, first posted on DCist.

    briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/11/20/obamas-mug-on-dc-subway-cards-for-inauguration/

  95. November 20, 2008
    ‘Joe the Plumber’ to Publish Book
    @ 1:30 pm by Hill Staff

    Joe “The Plumber” Wurzelbacher will publish a book just in time for the holiday season, a small publisher announced this week.

    The book, “Joe the Plumber: Fighting for the American Dream,” will be published December 1st, the New York Times reported.

    The book will be published by PearlGate Publishing, a small group based in Texas, and cowritten with novelist Thomas N. Tabback.

    “They don’t need the help,” Wurzelbacher said of the larger, more mainstream publishers with which he did not sign. “They are already rich. So that’s spreading the wealth to me.”

    -Michael O’Brien

    LMAO!!!! That Joe……he’s quick on his toes!! 😀

    briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/11/20/joe-the-plumber-to-publish-book/

  96. Looking at the news overall, guys, I just want to say *WE DID IT*!

    We Pumas, whether in name or not.

    Just the threat of us brought Palin in as ‘future of the GOP’ and she’s still polling ahead of the men among GOP voters.

    16% of McCain’s votes would rather have voted for Hillary; she would have won bigger than Obama, and that’s not even counting the Pumas who stayed home (thus weren’t in the exit polls).

    Now look what’s happening now. The Senate is trying to invent a new job to offer Hillary (in addition to what Kennedy is offering her on the UHC). Obama is waving a SOS offer and the world is standing up for her. (Anyone tracking stock prices as this rumour rises and falls?) Obama is seeking old Clinton 90s people (Yay Summers!).

    Sure, none of this may be sincere. But even faking it means they HAVE TO OFFER SOMETHING. Hillary is still the star, the winner. We Pumas are the new swing vote to court.

    It’s no longer “Will the Pumas come back?” The 16% of McCain’s vote proves that we didn’t come back. We’re on the loose and ready to pounce — somewhere — in 2012.

  97. dow down another 400 points:

    With all these names floating around for BO’s cabinet…it does not seem to offer that much hope…

    I still bet that if Hillary accepts the SoS, the market will rally with a little more confidence…

  98. mp Says:
    I still bet that if Hillary accepts the SoS, the market will rally with a little more confidence…
    ===========

    Heh. A cynic might make a cartoon of Hillary and Obama lobbing this ball back and forth while their moneymen buy and sell with advance knowledge of which way the rumors will go next.

    Wbboei, how’s Cheopspyramid Ltd doing?

  99. November 20th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
    wbboei Says:

    “He has let his minions float the story the press glommed on to it…”
    * * * * *
    MSM pushing the story this morning that it was the Clinton Camp that did the leaking or floating. That’s simply untrue, isn’t it?
    —————————————
    that story is 100% untrue. it is simply one more attempt to get him out of the trap he has put himself in. Morris echoes same false claim–as if Clinton people would be talking to him about it. Sensing a lie, Oreilly called him on it and Morris backed down. The leak came out of the obama camp and it took on a life of its own. Regarding stuff coming out of NYT I believe the word has been put out by the editor that they are to report only positive news on Obama, because the country is heading into the eye of a storm and they must make it appear he is on top of it. The truth is he is making it worse, and I believe he is intentionally roiling markets with the policies he and his cohorts in congress are famously intending to pass.

  100. I still bet that if Hillary accepts the SoS, the market will rally with a little more confidence…
    —————————————
    mp: absolutely correct. It would be the strongest sigal he could send to markets and that may be why it does not happen. He wants chaos before he takes office so he can be seen as improving things. I am pretty sure that is what he is thinking. I think Naomi Klein would agree except in this case the shock doctrine is here.

    berkley: what is your take on george miller and his plan to invade the 401 k accounts? He is from your part of the country, maybe even your district.

  101. wbboei Says:

    November 20th, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    berkley: what is your take on george miller and his plan to invade the 401 k accounts? He is from your part of the country, maybe even your district.

    Miller is from my district, and has been a congressman for 33 years. Upon until this year, I thought he had done good things re: the environment, but he is a lieutenant of Pelosi’s, and is part of the Kennedy cabal. The 401 K article floored me, and I voted for the republican who ran against him.

  102. “Obama’s Mug on D.C. Subway Cards for Inauguration”

    ————————————-

    This Just In: DC Metro achieves it’s lowest sales in history! 😉

  103. turndownobama-com

    Children, people and Presidents must and need to make it on their own. You feel that we need to take care of this economic mess for him for the good of the people.

    When in fact, none of the money they are throwing at the problem will save those people. It will go to the Corporations, for golden parachutes, bonuses, etc.

    As a friend of mine pointed out, no one tried to save the silicon valley fiasco that happen in SF. So what happened is they found jobs locally, went back to school, or moved and found jobs elsewhere.

    His success or failure is not based on a good team coming to rescure him, and actually doing something. It is based on how they spin it, how the media spins it, and if the American voters believe you. It really had nothing to do with actually doing something.

    So let him do it on his own. He deserve the chance to succeed or fail. An lets face it, it has very little to do with the little guy. O is the one that let people in his district go without heat, etc. So why should he care if the poor people of American have a home, heat, or food.

  104. After gyrating wildly for weeks, mainly downward, **since Obama surged in the polls**, the stock market lurched lower on Wednesday, falling to its lowest point in nearly six years, as concern spread that the economy might be facing a chronic and debilitating decline in prices. Market analysts were reluctant to point out that fears of what could be radical new Obama tax and trade policies were actually behind the steady downward, but were afraid to say that openly, for fear of being labeled racists, and because their parent companies are heavily bought into the incoming administration.
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    That is all they were talking about at the International Foundation of Employee Benefits according to my source. It is an open secret. People had better grow up about this I wont tell the truth because they might call me a racist nonsense or this country will fail.

  105. JanH Says:

    November 20th, 2008 at 11:13 am
    *****************************************

    I just want the Fraud to not make matters worse, tho I know he will. Anyone who thinks he will be successful is only deluding themselves.

  106. NewMexicoFan Says:
    November 20th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
    turndownobama-com

    Children, people and Presidents must and need to make it on their own. You feel that we need to take care of this economic mess for him for the good of the people.

    When in fact, none of the money they are throwing at the problem will save those people. It will go to the Corporations, for golden parachutes, bonuses, etc.

    As a friend of mine pointed out, no one tried to save the silicon valley fiasco that happen in SF. So what happened is they found jobs locally, went back to school, or moved and found jobs elsewhere.

    His success or failure is not based on a good team coming to rescure him, and actually doing something. It is based on how they spin it, how the media spins it, and if the American voters believe you. It really had nothing to do with actually doing something.

    ======================

    Right. So we may as well work for what we think is good in all areas, without worrying about who gets credit or blame. Media will ALWAYS spin EVERYTHING their way. Some people will always see through that, and give credit where it is due.

    I wasn’t talking specifically about the bailout. I’m just distnguishig real physical facts (homes, jobs, no bombs falling) from the spin level.

    Still the new Treasury Secretary having a $700 billion blank check waiting on his new clean desk is a good reason to restore a successful Clinton 90s person as Secretary. I DON’T think Summers (yay!) is very friendly to golden parachutes … nor easily bluffed … nor scared of being called ‘racist’.

  107. turndownobama-com Says:
    November 20th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
    NewMexicoFan Says:
    November 20th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
    turndownobama-com

    WOOPS, sorry, I forgot to trim that. I was only agreeing with new mexico’s last paragraph!

    Must go now….

  108. I saw one night on fox news that they interviewed some Obama supporters during exiting from the polling booth who controlled congress. Most didn’t even know who or thought that it was the Republicans!

    They were also asked who said there was 57 or 58 states. The majority overwhelming said , Sarah Palin!

    So sad and misinformed!!!!!!

  109. Hillary’s $7.5 Million Problem
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    ABC News’ Tahman Bradley Reports: Hillary Clinton continues to carry $7.5 million of debt owed to vendors from her failed presidential bid which ended in early June, her campaign finance report covering the month of October shows.

    Even though the election is over, Clinton can continue to raise money for unpaid bills, as long as contributors clearly designate their contributions as being specially for retiring presidential campaign debt. There’s no time limit on how long a candidate can carry debt.

    The campaign retired a few hundred thousands dollars of debt in October after bringing in $774,299 in the month of October.

    Clinton lost all opportunities to get back the $13.1 million in personal money she loaned the campaign. Campaign finance law restricts the amount of time a candidate can pay back personal loans in an effort to limit candidates from self-financing campaigns. Clinton needed to pay herself back by the final day of the Democratic convention.

    If Clinton accepts the position of Secretary of State, or some other post in the Obama administration, she would be barred by The Hatch Act of 1939 from soliciting and receiving political contributions. The Clinton campaign organization, however, can continue to raise money for the purpose of retiring debt even if the senator accepts an appointed position in government. Raising a small amount of money from loyal donors without help from Clinton might be doable, but raising $7.5 million without the candidate seems like a tall order.

    Campaign finance law is pretty flexible in a candidate’s ability to retire debt after a presidential election is over and a little innovative campaign treasury maneuvering could yield a faster way for Clinton to erase most of the remaining debt. On August 28, Clinton’s Senate account received $6.4 million in contributions that were first designated for the presidential campaign for use in the general election. That money could theoretically be transferred back to the presidential campaign and used to knock out vendor debt.

    The Clinton presidential campaign this week was still hunting for help with unpaid bills, sending supporters an e-mail asking for money.

  110. Keep the Change

    WASHINGTON — For months on the campaign trail, Barack Obama promised to bring change to Washington. But now that he’s president-elect, his first potential Cabinet picks indicate that he may bring more years of Washington experience to his administration than Bill Clinton or George W. Bush did.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,455545,00.html

  111. independent2008 Says:
    November 20th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    Rickya,

    I don’t understand your reasoning. How can you wish someone success and at the same time want to bring that person down. If he is successful, then he will be re-elected! Frankly, I don’t think HIllary could run successfully against Obama anyway. She will be reluctant to really hammer him due to being labeled a racist or worse. Now Sarah Palin don’t seem to have any problem at all going after Obama.

    I’m sorry if I haven’t been clear enough. What I said ws that I am wishing for his success but if he fails miserably, we should be ready to nominate somebody else from the Democratic party to run against him. Are you saying that even if he fails miserably, we should support him?

  112. meiyingsu Says:
    November 20th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
    Keep the Change
    WASHINGTON — For months on the campaign trail, Barack Obama promised to bring change to Washington. But now that he’s president-elect, his first potential Cabinet picks indicate that he may bring more years of Washington experience to his administration than Bill Clinton or George W. Bush did.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,455545,00.html

    ==========================

    Obama can recruit from the Clinton admin, two terms, 8 years ago. Clinton in 1992 had to reach back to the Carter admin, one term, longer time past — so fewer to choose from.

  113. rickya,

    I agree! For me, not wishing him to succeed is like cutting off my nose to spite my face. His failures as president will not help Americans when they need it the most. That is why I do hope he does some good or at least the people he chooses for top positions do something to turn things around for the better.

    In the end, if he turns out to be a disaster, then looking for someone stronger to challenge him is just common sense.

  114. Greta on Fox is reporting that the AP says Obama will offer Hillary SOS after Thanksgiving. I haven’t seen this anywhere else but thought I’d pass it along..

  115. WASHINGTON – President-elect Barack Obama is on track to nominate Hillary Rodham Clinton as secretary of state after Thanksgiving, an aide to his transition said Thursday.

    One week after the former primary rivals met secretly to discuss the idea of Clinton becoming the nation’s top diplomat, the two sides were moving quickly toward making it a reality, barring any unforeseen problems.

    The transition aide told The Associated Press that the two camps have worked out financial disclosure issues involving Clinton’s husband, former President Bill Clinton, and the complicated international funding of his foundation that operates in 27 countries. The aide said Obama and Hillary Clinton have had substantive conversations about the secretary of state job.

    Clinton has been mulling the post for several days, but the transition aide’s comments suggested that Obama’s team does not feel she is inclined to turn it down.

    Some Democrats and government insiders have questioned whether Clinton is too independent and politically ambitious to be an effective secretary of state. But Obama is said to admire her talents and experience, as do many other Democrats.

    Clinton would have to surrender her New York Senate seat, which she has held for eight years, to take the job.

    Clinton spokesman Philippe Reines would not comment Thursday night, except to say that anything about Cabinet appointments is for Obama’s transition team to address.

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081121/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_cabinet

  116. Democrats also say that several people remain in the running for treasury secretary, including Timothy Geithner, president of Federal Reserve Bank of New York; Lawrence Summers, former treasury secretary and one-time Harvard University president; and former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker.

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081121/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_cabinet

  117. Clyburn not interested in HUD post
    By POLITICO STAFF

    Despite inquiries from the Obama transition team, James Clyburn has indicated he’s not interested in being HUD secretary.

    Despite inquiries from the Obama transition team, House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) has indicated he’s not interested in becoming secretary of Housing and Urban Development, according to two sources close to the congressman. Clyburn is the third highest ranking Democrat in the House. He played an influential – if not official – role in the critical South Carolina Democratic primary when he urged President Clinton to “chill a little bit” after making critical remarks about President-elect Barack Obama.

  118. Hillary on Track for Nomination after Thanksgiving
    November 20, 2008 10:37 PM

    ABC News can report that former President Bill Clinton’s financial disclosure issues that once seemed an obstacle to Sen. Hillary Clinton’s appointment as secretary of state have been worked out.

    An aide to President-elect Obama says that everything is on track for Clinton’s nomination to be the nation’s top diplomat, though an announcement will not come until after Thanksgiving.

    The aide tells ABC News that no national security announcements will likely come until after that holiday.

    Hillary Clinton and Obama, once fierce primary rivals, first spoke face to face about her serving in Obama’s Cabinet last week in Chicago. The aide said they have since had other discussions about what they both hope for her to achieve in that post.

    The complex web of international business dealings involved with Mr. Clinton’s personal business dealings, his presidential library and his charitable endeavors through the Clinton Foundation had created complications and possible conflicts of interest for his wife. But the Obama and Clinton teams, negotiating with many former officials of the Clinton White House — such as David Kendall, John Podesta and Cheryl Mills — have reached an agreement.

    Other announcements — perhaps ones related to Obama’s economic team — may come before the holiday.

    – jpt

  119. Some Democrats and government insiders have questioned whether Clinton is too independent and politically ambitious to be an effective secretary of state. But Obama is said to admire her talents and experience, as do many other Democrats.

    That speaks well of Obama.

  120. PAULA

    Jesus, nothing speaks well of the Fraud. Ya, he really admires her, she’s likeable enough as he scratches his face with his middle finger

  121. Some Democrats and government insiders have questioned whether Clinton is too independent and politically ambitious to be an effective secretary of state.
    ==================

    Better put it the other way around. The job is a dead end secretary to the ‘President’ therefore unworthy of her.

  122. After all this, the campaign, the speculation, etc. it sounds like it’s finally coming to a conclusion. Apparently… maybe.

    Ok Hill, if that’s what you decided, you go girl!

    WITH YOU ALL THE WAY.

    Knowing Hillary, she will only GROW in stature form this, regardless of what kind of nonsense (like the BOTS horning in on BC’s donor list) she must endure.

  123. turndown Obama-com,

    Sounds like at a minimum, Hillary herself doesn’t think it unworthy.

    Maybe she thinks the country actually needs a top-shelf SOS rather than playing more politics day-in, day-out for the next 4 or 8 years hoping to take another crack at it.

    Correct me where I’m wrong (seriously), but wasn’t this decision really made the minute she decided not to go to Denver?

  124. The only reason I would be happy to see her get that position is that IT IS AN OBAMA FINGER TO KERRY AND JUDAS!!!!

    Otherwise I would hate it……

  125. Don’t do it Hillary! You will just be used by Obama. If you truly care about the country, there are others that can be SOS that Obama can’t vilify. Your concern for the country does not preclude you from saying no to this.

  126. Blue Democrat Says:
    November 20th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
    turndown Obama-com,
    Sounds like at a minimum, Hillary herself doesn’t think it unworthy.
    =====================

    Worthy of discussion by the media anyway. Maybe she’s being polite — and watching everyone spell her name right for several more news cycles.

  127. Attorney General Michael Mukasey collapsed during a speech Thursday night and lost consciousness, a Justice Department official said.

    …Mukasey was delivering a speech to the Federalist Society at a Washington hotel when “he just started shaking and he collapsed,” said Associate Attorney General Kevin O’Connor. “They’re very concerned.”

    It was unclear whether he regained consciousness.

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081121/…hOJAV.mXCs0NUE

  128. Can you just see it…
    John EFF Kerry, chair of foreign relations cmte, holding a nomination hearing on Clinton being the SoS……

    He will be biting his lips!!!!!

    And Biden to a lesser extent not very happy…

  129. Blue Democrat Says:

    November 21st, 2008 at 12:18 am
    and (as someone reminded the other day, think it was WBBOEI)

    Bill Richardson. Hehe….

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    Hehe, Hehe, Hehe……………………………………………….

    Strange isn’t it? I wouldn’t have expected this.

  130. Another name is being floated for Commerce: Laura D’Andrea Tyson.
    Quote:
    Officials say Laura D’Andrea Tyson, the former chair of White House Council of Economic Advisers in the Clinton administration, is in the running for the Commerce job.

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081121/…CTDAsbI_us0NUE

    Laura D’Andrea Tyson is an American economist and former Chair of the US President’s Council of Economic Advisers during the Clinton Administration. She also served as Director of the National Economic Council.

    …From 2002 to 2006, Tyson was the first female Dean of London Business School. From 1998 to 2001, she was Dean of the Haas School of Business. She served in the Clinton Administration as Chairman of the President’s Council of Economic Advisers from 1993 to 1995 and Director of the National Economic Council from 1995 to 1996. Tyson has been a member of the Council on Foreign Relations since 1987, a Director of Morgan Stanley since 1997, a Director of AT&T Inc. since 1999 and a Director of Eastman Kodak.

    …Tyson graduated summa cum laude with a B.A. in Economics from Smith College in 1969 and earned her Ph.D. in Economics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1974. She joined the faculty of the economics department at Princeton University in 1974 and remained in the position until 1977 when she became a professor of economics at the University of California, Berkeley. She was appointed a professor of business administration in 1990.

    …Tyson has published a number of books and articles on industrial competitiveness, trade, and also on the economies of Central Europe and their transitions to market systems.

    An Economic Viewpoint columnist for BusinessWeek magazine, Tyson writes regularly about domestic and international economic policy matters in The Washington Post, The New York Times and other nationally and internationally syndicated newspapers and magazines.

    While Dean of London Business School, she personally founded its Centre for Women in Business to great acclaim.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_D%27Andrea_Tyson

  131. mp Says:
    November 21st, 2008 at 12:02 am

    And Biden to a lesser extent not very happy…
    *************
    If Obama nominates Hillary, it is a real kick in the balls for Biden. Biden was supposed to be the Foreign policy czar in the Obama WH. If Obama also picks a strong NSA, then Biden is under the bus. Maybe Biden shouldn’t have said that he would be in the room with O, helping make the big decisions. Obama keeps score and gets even.

  132. Love Laura Tyson, one of the unsung heroes of the Clinton Administration, and what was that?

    Oh yeah, the greatest economic expansion in our entire history.

  133. Blue Democrat Says:
    November 21st, 2008 at 12:31 am
    Love Laura Tyson, one of the unsung heroes of the Clinton Administration, and what was that?

    Oh yeah, the greatest economic expansion in our entire history.
    ================

    The more Clinton 90s people the better, particularly in the economic and Treasury area.

    Here’s a great graph on the economy of the past several administrations.
    h t t p : / / http://www.ironmyvote.com/test2_html_90ee725.gif

  134. Awesome! Laura D’Andrea Tyson — another Clinton administration alum and a Berkeley professor, no less 😉

    This really is shaping up to be Clinton’s third term 🙂 I wish it was Hillary at the helm instead of Obama, but I’m glad they’re all teaming up.

  135. I still don’t understand why you have to “vet” a former president. I have no question in my mind that Bill Clinton is a Patriotic American. It seems to me that people from all walks of life donate to a foundation like his – our allies, our enemies, different people with common humanitarian goals. This vetting doesn’t make sense to me at all.

  136. peppermintgirl — it is ludicrous and arrogant to have to “vet” a former president. The pathetic excuse I’ve found is that he might have donations from countries that Hill would be dealing with.

    Or, as we extend the logic, Hillary would give a pass to a country say, harboring terrorists, because they had made a donation to world hunger. So, as we extend the logic, Hill could or would endanger the U.S. or the world because someone gave Clinton money for his library.

    The media has been playing this game since the Clintons came to Washington (from Arkansas! That’s as bad as Alaska!) Anything the Clintons don’t disclose is evidence, per se, of nefarious motives and deeds. Obama’s gaps are, ummmm, irrelevant.

    Obama has done disgusting things for money. The Clintons never have. So it is logical that we worry about the Clintons until we find evidence of a crime.
    And as media said a thousand times, nobody cares about Obama’s ‘associations’.

  137. OT: What is the deal with Karl Rove? I saw him on Fox last night and you will never convince me that he isn’t in the Obama camp hook line and sinker. He was defending Obama by talking about how tough and long a campaign it’s been and how Obama hasn’t even had time to sit and think about what he really wants to do yet is faced by all these transition decisions. God, he sound like another of the fawning media protecting Obama as some special commodity. Did he have similar views when newly elected Bill Clinton was going through his transition time? I kinda doubt it…

    You’d think Rove would have a critical eye in light of the fact he’s supposedly a master Republican strategist.

    I can’t wait for Jan. 20 when Obama is finally in power and then the world will finally see the true individual and not the deified persona that is being pushed so heavily. This hopium worship has got to go…..

  138. AmericanGal

    I will believe that when I see it. We all believed that once O was nominated that the Reps would tear him apart. It did not happen.

    We all kept looking for the Skeletons to come out of his closet and be examined, and it did not happen.

    We all expected someone by now to demand and get a copy of his BC, which seems so fundemental in our Democracy, again did not happen.

    Just don’t understand where our Democracy has gone, and the integraty of our Press.

  139. So how long before the Kool Aid drinkers decide this is not hope and change, but the same old Washington Establishment. It is hard to believe that the voters ever believed that stuff.

    I am sure Richardson will get something, but I am glad HRC will beat him out of the job he wanted. We want him gone because of his betrayal, and it will allow his LT Gov, a Hillary supporter to replace him. She is great, and will run for Gov soon.

  140. NMF,

    I’m not sure why, but of all the betrayers in this mess, Richardson bothered me the most. I would love for him to be downgraded and out on his ear.

    At the end of the day, there should be a special kind of hell for those who treated the Clintons the way he did.

  141. (my comments are preceded by “$$$”)

    AmericanGal Says:

    November 21st, 2008 at 7:47 am
    OT: What is the deal with Karl Rove? I saw him on Fox last night and you will never convince me that he isn’t in the Obama camp hook line and sinker. He was defending Obama by talking about how tough and long a campaign it’s been and how Obama hasn’t even had time to sit and think about what he really wants to do yet is faced by all these transition decisions. God, he sound like another of the fawning media protecting Obama as some special commodity.

    $$$ I can’t tell if Rove is
    a) trying to gain credibility by appearing to be even-handed (don’t want to come off like a “racist” in this new time of Hope and Change and Promise and ….oh, STFU.
    b) working some nefarious angle
    c) being a suck up, because he doesn’t have the courage to stand up against the incumbent; he’s been cheering for W. for so long, he doesn’t know how to confront authority

    Did he have similar views when newly elected Bill Clinton was going through his transition time? I kinda doubt it…

    $$$ When Bill was prez, Rove was certainly not some big time pundit, at least on the national scene. Just a little old advisor to some inexperienced young Governor, who like Axelrod, had big dreams for their little puppet candidates.

  142. I think Biden and Hillary are genuinely friendly. He was neutral until BO got the nomination unlike many turncoats….Hillary is in a tough spot. Senate made up of ole boys club Reid, Kerry, Kennedy, and others who worked hard against her(see the smiling mumba Mackasill)…she could not even get the nod from old man Byrd who sought to purge his “glorious” KKK past by endorsing the choosen one..Yet, if she accepts SOS, she is destined to fail with an incompetent President who will toss her to the wolves…..damed is does and damed if she doesn’t imo…Again, I would tell all of them, including Oprah, to F-off and work on her own foundation, and decide if she wants to give it a go again in 2012…She is a junior senator with very few allys and she must be very careful on how she proceeds.

  143. FROM THE MOST TRUSTED NAME IN NEWS: THE ONION!

    http://www.theonion.com/content/news/international_con_man_barack_obama

    (From Nov. 11th)

    International Con Man Barack Obama Leaves U.S. With $85 Million In Campaign Fundraising

    CHICAGO—In a devastating blow to millions of unsuspecting Americans, newly elected president and international con man Barack Obama fled the country Wednesday with nearly $85 million in campaign funds.

    According to FBI investigators, Obama’s sudden disappearance was discovered at 6:15 p.m. when the former Illinois senator failed to arrive at a gala event in Lincoln Square, prompting several aides to rush back to his campaign headquarters. At 6:23 p.m., flight logs at O’Hare International Airport confirmed that two passengers, a male carrying two silver briefcases and dressed in a perfectly tailored Brioni tuxedo, and an African-American female wearing a fur coat and speaking in a thick Russian accent, were seen boarding a private plane.

    Obama’s campaign office, sources said, was completely vacant aside from a discarded Abraham Lincoln portrait, behind which was an emptied safe that his aides claimed never to have seen before.

    In addition, three unconscious Secret Service agents were discovered at the scene, along with two lit cigarettes still burning in an ashtray, and Obama’s daughters, who authorities now believe were taken from an Alabama foster home six years ago.

    The only item found inside the metal safe was a letter, handwritten with a fountain pen and titled “An Explanation, My Dears.”

    “To my tender little pawns, the all-too-trusting people of America,” said FBI lead investigator Ray Hilland, quoting the letter at a press conference Wednesday. “If you are reading this, then I have already left your silly country in my private jet, and am right now sipping fine champagne with my lovely associate, a woman you have come to know as ‘Michelle.'”

    “I assure you, this was the most pleasurable and fulfilling con I have ever pulled off,” the note continued. “Not since the Moroccan elections in 1984 have I taken so much joy in raising, and then crushing, the hopes and dreams of so many pathetic, disenfranchised, and downtrodden people.”

    “It’s been an absolute delight doing business with you. Rest assured, your generous contributions will be well spent,” the note concluded. “Fondly yours, Ψ.”

    After initiating a further search of his campaign office, officials found more than two dozen counterfeit passports inside Obama’s desk drawer. Authorities suspect that this is not the first time that the man who inspired millions has preyed upon a leadership-starved country, raised a record amount of money by running for office, and then vanished without a trace.

    “This explains Portugal in ’86, Finland in ’94, and Greece in ’90,” CIA director Michael Hayden said. “He used the same faultless cover in those elections as he did here—a dead mother, a runaway father, a grandfather who fought in Patton’s or Järnefelt’s or Papdopoulous’ army, and his signature calling card: change.”

    Multiple translations of Obama’s books Dreams From My Father and The Audacity Of Hope were also discovered at the scene, each seemingly authored by a different world leader, including former Malaysian president Mohamad Mahathir, former Belgian prime minister Jean-Luc Dehaene, and the 14th Dalai Lama.

    Of particular interest were the titles Les Rêves De Mon Père and L’audace D’espére, both of which feature a cover photo of French president Nicolas Sarkozy, a man Paris officials claim hasn’t been seen or heard from in nearly eight months.

    According to investigators, it appears that over the past 15 years, Obama has been elected president or prime minister in nearly 45 countries, many of them African. Officials estimate that since 1983 Obama has amassed more than $2.3 billion in stolen campaign financing.

    “He’s good, real good,” Hayden said. “Sometimes he’ll have three campaigns going on at once. Recently uncovered video of him in Bangladesh, Ukraine, and Italy in 1989 shows him shifting seamlessly between three languages. And no matter what dialect he speaks, he speaks it passionately. He also abides by a flawless formula: a desperate country, plus hope, plus the promise of a bold new tomorrow equals big bucks.”

    “Hell, even I donated the $2,400 to his campaign,” he added.

    Obama’s closest aides, including head campaign strategist David Axelrod, admitted that they never once suspected their candidate was anyone other than who he claimed to be. Nevertheless, Axelrod said that the recent revelation did explain why he once overheard Michelle Obama tell her husband that “the time had come for their coup de grâce.”

    “He completely suckered me,” said a visibly dejected vice president-elect Joe Biden, who estimated that he raised over $10 million for Obama. “I trusted him. Change, ‘Yes We Can,’ a new kind of politics, bringing the nation together, valuing an open dialogue about the issues—I trusted all of it.”

    Added Biden, “I should have known it was too good to be true.”

    Everyday Americans, whom Obama referred to as “so many unwitting chess pieces in my elaborate game,” also expressed shock Wednesday.

    “I’m devastated,” Pennsylvania resident and Obama donor Denise Bell told reporters. “I just hope he comes back soon so he can be our president.”

  144. I’m certain Hillary will be an outstanding SoS, and that’s exactly what we need right now. It’s pretty obvious that she’ll be better at the job than Kerry or Richardson.

    Thank God Richardson didn’t get it. He may end up with a Cabinet post but it won’t be anything better than what he had under Bill Clinton. What he really wanted was veep or SoS, and he ended up with neither. Hey, if he stabbed Hillary in the back, who’s to say he won’t do that to Obama? Once a Judas, always a Judas.

  145. I must say that the decision to make Hillary SOS is the most brilliant move that Obama has made during this entire election and campaign. BECAUSE now he got her just where he wants her, out of the senate and out of his hair. He’ll just keep her abroad. The SOS position is no big deal to me.

    Since I think that this is Obama’s most brilliant move, therefore; I think that this is Hillary’s most stupid move to allow herself to be manipulated like this. I am really questioning her judgment now. This seems to have been in the works since she suspended her candidancy so suddenly with no more word from her.

    I never did think that she was “threatened” like so many others thought in the first place is why she was going so overboard to support Obama. She wanted this post all along. Just another politician like everyone else.

    I also think that the comment that she will be able to keep an eye on Bill (for cheating) is ludicruous. Heck, she was living in the white house with Bill and still Bill and Monica was having an affair right under her nose. I am just saying that that argument bout keeping an eye on Bill don’t hold water for me.
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    I agree with all three of the following posts:

    November 20th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
    Don’t do it Hillary! You will just be used by Obama. If you truly care about the country, there are others that can be SOS that Obama can’t vilify. Your concern for the country does not preclude you from saying no to this.

    I can’t wait for Jan. 20 when Obama is finally in power and then the world will finally see the true individual and not the deified persona that is being pushed so heavily. This hopium worship has got to go…..

    Again, I would tell all of them, including Oprah, to F-off and work on her own foundation, and decide if she wants to give it a go again in 2012…She is a junior senator with very few allys and she must be very careful on how she proceeds.

    I know that I will be blasted for these statements. So be it.

    To respond to a previos post. I am not saying that if Obama fails miserably, I should still support him is untrue. I didn’t support him before the primaries and I still don’t support him now! Obama picking some Clinton people for his cabinet doesn’t pacify me. Big deal!
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  146. And pigs with lipstick like Chris Mathews, Olberman, Dowd, Eugene Robinson, David Gergen, Gloria Borger , Roland Martin, and other so called journalists will have another 4 yrs to bash her and Bill…and for those, like me, who watched Hannity/Fox by default, he/they are up to the old Clinton bashing ways…..

  147. OT: What is the deal with Karl Rove? I saw him on Fox last night and you will never convince me that he isn’t in the Obama camp hook line and sinker. He was defending Obama by talking about how tough and long a campaign it’s been and how Obama hasn’t even had time to sit and think about what he really wants to do yet is faced by all these transition decisions. God, he sound like another of the fawning media protecting Obama as some special commodity.
    ——————————————
    Rove is a bottom feeder, loyal to no one but himself. In that respect, he closely resembles Brazille with one exception. There is no evidence that his treason is racially motivated, whereas with her that conclusion is clear. See City Edition and other relevant sources. I can tell you for a fact that the McCain campaign wanted nothing to do with him. I believe their animus toward him begain with the 2000 South Carolina primary and what occurred there. I asked one of their state campaign chairman and he assured me that Rove had no part in the McCain campaign, but would claim credit for it whatever occurred. Those were his exact words.

  148. jbstonesfan Says:

    November 21st, 2008 at 11:54 am
    And pigs with lipstick like Chris Mathews, Olberman, Dowd, Eugene Robinson, David Gergen, Gloria Borger , Roland Martin, and other so called journalists will have another 4 yrs to bash her and Bill…and for those, like me, who watched Hannity/Fox by default, he/they are up to the old Clinton bashing ways…..

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    You are so right! But at this moment, I have no real sympathy for them because they allowed themselves to be put in this situation. They wasn’t forced into it. So sad!!

  149. Marine Gen. James L. Jones (Ret.), the former head of NATO and U.S. forces in Europe, has emerged as the leading candidate to serve as the National Security Adviser for President-elect Obama.

    Admiral Dennis C. Blair (Ret.), former Commander-in-Chief of U.S. Pacific Command and a 6th-generation naval officer, has emerged as the top candidate to be President-elect Obama’s Director of National Intelligence.

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu…d-four-st.html

  150. jbstonesfan,

    I firmly believe that the ratings for Fox’s news programs went up, during the primaries, because we Hillary fans made it so. If they are back to bashing the Clintons, then I know I at least won’t be watching anymore. I have already distanced myself for the other news programs/networks and have no problem adding to the list.

    It will be interesting to see what happens to the ratings in the future. Hopefully they will tank big time. I can’t think of a more fitting punishment for this non-think tank of amateurs.

  151. I understand the disappointment that some of us feel over the increasing liklihood that Hillary will become Secretary of State. We all realize the kind of politician Obama is and are loathe to contemplate a future where she subordintes herself to his will. We also understand that his supporters will look for ways to undermine her and shoot her in the back.

    I would only ask that you consider three things:

    1. first, I am quite sure she wanted this position, more than staying in the senate. She will be far more consequential on a world stage than she would be in the senate. Our future lies there.

    2. second, it is equally clear to me that it was not his idea and much of the impetus came from foreign governments, and from key democrats. It was clear to me that he did not want this.

    3. third, she will be politically viable for 2012 if the position becomes available. Personally, I think domestic events will sink his ship. Watch how the mood in this country changes by late spring and early summer.

    Hillary is the smartest person there is. She will always find a way to accomplish our objectives and the country’s objectives. The path of progess is never a straight line. I still have my Hillary signs, buttons, bumperstickers and photos. I have a hunch they will be needed again.

  152. wbboei,

    As far as Hillary becoming SOS, after some deliberation, I now look at it the following way:

    Both Hillary and Bill Clinton are far smarter and politically savvy than I will ever be. In other words, it would be a huge mistake for me to second-guess Hillary’s decisions regarding this opportunity. You can bet she knows the ins and outs, pros and cons better than any of us.

    Therefore, I wish her the best. I know she would be a huge asset in this area. She plays chess extremely well and can manipulate and reach checkmate against Obama with the best of them. That’s all I need to know.

  153. I firmly believe that the ratings for Fox’s news programs went up, during the primaries, because we Hillary fans made it so. If they are back to bashing the Clintons, then I know I at least won’t be watching anymore. I have already distanced myself for the other news programs/networks and have no problem adding to the list.
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    It is like gravity except it isnt. They will always attack the Clintons until there is nothing to attack. That will be hard to do in an sos role because it is a more sophisticated press corp and the foreign press are a bigger factor. It will be much harder to attack Hillary in a future campaign. Try this bi-line–Hillary was conniving, power hungry and despicable when she saved the country from world war III and restored Americas reputation in the world.

    Trust me, I am not gloating over this decision. I am mindful of the risks and they are as you state. However, in the balance I honestly believe this is her best move and if she asked me I would tell her to take it. The best move short term for the country and long term for us who want to see her in the Oval Office.

  154. Well, I use to think Hillary/Bill were the savviest politicians of all time until BO and his Chicago “crew” rigged this election. We must never forget that he and his followers are ruthless thugs who lied, betrayed, and race baited a guilt ridden country into voting for the most unqualified candidate ever for such high office. Plouffe and Gibbs particular are said to despise the Clintons while Axelrod is more of a pragmatist and can see some value in having them now that they have been “defeated”. And god protect us all if someone like Jesse Jackson Jr, gets that Ill senate spot…he makes his daddy look like a reasonable person….

  155. jan-you are absolutely right. Bill and Hillary are to politics what the Yankees were to baseball in their prime–during the 1920s (Ruth era) and again in the 1950s (the era of Mantle, Maris, Berra, Ford), et al: The Best.

  156. jbstonesfan Says:

    November 21st, 2008 at 12:36 pm
    Well, I use to think Hillary/Bill were the savviest politicians of all time until BO and his Chicago “crew” rigged this election. We must never forget that he and his followers are ruthless thugs who lied, betrayed, and race baited a guilt ridden country into voting for the most unqualified candidate ever for such high office. Plouffe and Gibbs particular are said to despise the Clintons while Axelrod is more of a pragmatist and can see some value in having them now that they have been “defeated”. And god protect us all if someone like Jesse Jackson Jr, gets that Ill senate spot…he makes his daddy look like a reasonable person….

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    So far, Obama has been more political savvy than the Clintons! How did that happen???? I don’t just blame it on the media only. The Clintons allowed this to happen. Yep, 4 more years of Clinton bashing and Clinton fatique.

  157. Personally, bashing the Clintons does not go anywhere. They did not “allow” this to happen. There were too many dark forces against them: the media, the DNC, Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi, Dean, Brazille, and the list goes on. BO had everyone on his side, which made it easier for him. Plus, his campaign strategy with gaming the caucuses, the internet, and extraordinary fund raising were difficult hurdles for the Clinton campaign to break. Senator Clinton’s campaign made some mistakes, but many things were out of their control.

  158. Well, I use to think Hillary/Bill were the savviest politicians of all time until BO and his Chicago “crew” rigged this election. We must never forget that he and his followers are ruthless thugs who lied, betrayed, and race baited a guilt ridden country into voting for the most unqualified candidate ever for such high office
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    jbstonesfan: where bo is concerned it is unlikely that history will repeat itself. By 2012 two things will be fundamentally different:

    i) first, he will be judged on a track record which is likely to be appalling–due partly to him and partly to circumsances which are frankly beyond the control of any president. The Messiah will be shown to be a fraud,

    ii) second, the new ground game internet saavy control of media strategy will be adopted by others. That will neutralize his advantage. By then alternative media will be stronger and big media may have some bones to pick.

    The concomitnat challenges are:

    iii) third, the fact that Obamania has spread like the AIDs virus through state party organizations,

    iv) fourth, our ability to survive economically and socially these next four years. It may get rougher than we think.

  159. wbboei Says:
    November 21st, 2008 at 1:02 pm
    iii) third, the fact that Obamania has spread like the AIDs virus through state party organizations,
    &&&&&&&

    yep, you only get to the “the new guy” once. The thrill will be (already is?) over. He’ll finally have to defend his record:

    “Um, er, what the point is, I mean, ….things are going fine, despite what you in the press report. You are very negative, and critical. I liked you a whole lot more when you were licking my boots trying to elect me presidentj”.

  160. When I said that the Clintons allowed some things to happen because Hillary didn’t come out forcibly enough against Obama. She didn’t say anything about (or very little) about the sexism against or Sarah Palin. She was just as quiet as the other women organizations. They got criticized for not speaking forcibly against it, so why do Hillary get a pass especially since it was used against her also. She never addressed her supporters agains except for them to support Obama. They are allowing themselves to be used and abused all over again in my opinion.

    Who knows, Obama might succeed. Then what? Several of us thought that he would go down before the general election and it didn’t happen. The Republicans didn’t vet him. The only one who really came out more forcibly agains him was Sarah Palin once the repubs let her loose. All others are scared to touch Obama for fear of being labeled racist. Well, they need to get over that fear immediately. Karma is on Obama’s side now and may continue.

  161. Personally, bashing the Clintons does not go anywhere. They did not “allow” this to happen. There were too many dark forces against them: the media, the DNC, Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi, Dean, Brazille, and the list goes on. BO had everyone on his side, which made it easier for him. Plus, his campaign strategy with gaming the caucuses, the internet, and extraordinary fund raising were difficult hurdles for the Clinton campaign to break. Senator Clinton’s campaign made some mistakes, but many things were out of their control
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    Yes Birdgal. This was a stolen election.

    But with all the dark forces working against her this remarkable woman”

    1. won the primary (popular vote + electoral map)

    2. won the general election (even though she was not a candidate and was campaigning for bambi–she beat him by 4% based on exit polls)

    Name me one other politician in the world who could do what she did. Just one.

    If Bambi had to face those odds he would fold his tent and leave the battlefield.

  162. independent2008 Says:

    November 21st, 2008 at 1:09 pm
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    two things: first, the campaigning is as nothing compared to govening. It takes years to learn the ways of washington; second, time heals all wounds–and wounds all heels (e.g. bamabi).

  163. independent2008 Says:

    November 21st, 2008 at 1:09 pm
    When I said that the Clintons allowed some things to happen because Hillary didn’t come out forcibly enough against Obama. She didn’t say anything about (or very little) about the sexism against or Sarah Palin. She was just as quiet as the other women organizations. They got criticized for not speaking forcibly against it, so why do Hillary get a pass especially since it was used against her also. She never addressed her supporters agains except for them to support Obama. They are allowing themselves to be used and abused all over again in my opinion.

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    Independent, Senator Clinton could not come out against BO. She is loyal to the party. She would have been torn apart by the media, bots, and everyone else, if she went against the party line. Did you see ANYONE speak out? NO. Palin could, because she was a Republican. NO ONE in the dimocratic spoke out against any of the misogyny, sexism, or the faults of BO.

    Senator Clinton exhibited respect towards Palin, by not bashing her. Senator Clinton did not personally criticize Palin, which is a helluva lot more, than I can say for so-called women’s organizations. Senator Clinton did not agree with Palin’s positions, but she did not criticize her as a person, or as a woman. That I respect.

    If BO is successful, then the American people gain. I don’t wish him ill, because that would be deadly for the country.

  164. birdgal Says:
    November 21st, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    “She is loyal to the party. She would have been torn apart by the media, bots, and everyone else, if she went against the party line…

    …Senator Clinton exhibited respect towards Palin, by not bashing her…

    …If BO is successful, then the American people gain. I don’t wish him ill, because that would be deadly for the country.”

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    birdgal,

    You took the words right out of my mouth! Another great post! 🙂

  165. MY law partner pointed out to me Bill will not say anything until the Hillary SOS is signed, sealed and delivered…then, realistically, what can stop him for stating what is on his mind?

  166. Birdgal,

    Well, someone has to speak out against the sexism and that person was Hillary since she is front and center and bore the brunt of the same criticism. Just because no one else spoke out against it isn’t a pass because someone needs to step up to the plate.

    Saying that she would be torn apart by the media, bots, and everyone else doesn’t wash with me because she was still and to this day still being torn apart by the media and others. So she gained nothing by keeping so quiet. Why would anyone be so loyal to a party that has treated them like dirt since they first arrived in D.C. is beyond me.

    She did show some respect for Palin by not bashing her. But that says little to me since she was also quiet against Obama. She didn’t want to be “torn apart” by bashing Palin just like she didn’t want to be “torn apart” by bashing Obama. It amounts to the same thing. Still no pass from me.

    As for Palin, she spoke out more than many Republicans who were afraid to speak out against Obama also because of the race issue. Even McCain was hesitant to do so, hence the Rev. Wright issue. I just think that Palin is more gutsier than many others.

    Palin is a reformer. Just what this country needs right now!

  167. Now that Hillary will be part of the BO administration, I wonder if the Clinton-hating chattering class will be caught between a rock and hard place because by criticizing her they’ll be criticizing him.

    Something else to keep in mind: Do you think Biden would rather be veep or SoS? I believe the latter, which tells you what kind of a plum Cabinet spot that is.

  168. Independent, I do agree with some of what you said, but I think Senator Clinton is taking the long view, and she is a party loyalist. I couldn’t do it, but she is a politician and understands the political world.

    When Senator Clinton spoke against BO during the primary, no one listened to her. Do you think, they would have listened afterwards? No, I don’t think so. Bill Clinton and Chelsea were also targets during the primary season, so speaking out, after the primaries would not have been constructive. Hopefully, someday, she’ll speak out about this, in her memoirs.

    Palin had her own set of issues to deal with, but she was the Republican attack dog, and paid for it dearly, which was demonstrated by the media vitrolic hatred towards her and her family. Palin was gutsy, but McCain was constrained by the same media forces, and the lack of a cohesive Republican party.

    Even the so-called women’s organizations did not speak out, against the misogyny and sexism. Thus, the formation of The New Agenda and Women Count Too groups.

    This election season revealed a deep seated hatred and fear of strong and capable women. We have a long ways to go.

  169. I think Hillary did speak out for women as much as she could. She spoke out against the media as well. The difference being is that there was a line made in the sand. The media and Obama crossed it. Hillary Clinton, with dignity, honesty, and a sense of respect for others (including her enemies) refused to cross that line. She refused to play their games. And in doing so, she made them look like the monsters and morons they are.

    Hillary can sleep at night knowing she didn’t cross that line and make herself as bad as they have become.

    LOL…not expecting anyone here to agree with me.

  170. “Yes We Can!” Kids Get School Named For Obama
    November 21, 2008 1:50 PM

    From ABC’s Matthew Jaffe…

    A New York elementary school has been re-named in honor of President-elect Barack Obama. Ludlum Elementary School in Long Island’s Hempstead Union Free School District was re-named at a board meeting Thursday, at the request of numerous school students.

    “Just to watch these kids after the board voted on what they asked them to do, they were so elated,” school district superintendent Dr. Joseph Laria told ABC News. “You want to talk about ‘Yes we can!’? That was a lesson in democracy.”

    Effective immediately, Ludlum will now be known as Barack Obama Elementary School, following a decision by the board to adopt the resolution drafted by students and staff. Before this month’s election, the 5th grade class had a mock presidential debate at the school, which sits near Hofstra University, site of the third and final presidential debate between Obama and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. “The kids were really into it,” Laria said. “They had this fabulous debate…it was just outstanding. The children received such a response from the community and the parents that they were so energized that they said that if Obama becomes president, we would be so proud to have our school named after him, especially because this is an African-American and Latino community that celebrates diversity.”

    So on Thursday night the kids came before the board to read essays describing what they had learned from the mock debate experience and appealing for the school to be re-named. Their resolution read as follows: “Whereas the Ludlum School students conducted a mock presidential debate related to the recent presidential elections and whereas the students did a wonderful job of carrying out their tasks and demonstrating their patriotism at an early age and whereas in recognition of their efforts and the victorious feat of Sen. Barack Obama in becoming the first African-American president of the United States, it be resolved that the Hempstead Board of Education proudly renames Ludlum Elementary School as the Barack Obama Elementary School.”

    The board then adopted the resolution by a vote of 5-0, re-naming the school immediately. “People in the audience just stood up and applauded,” said Laria. “It was very well received…very poignant.”

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  171. wbboie:I hope you recover from your eye problem and come back to continue your extraordinary talent for educating many of us in the political ways of the this flawed system we call government. The problem lies with we the people that let the politicians pander to those who can keep them in office from cradle to grave. Money and power polute and Obama has carried that to a new level.You have made a believer out of me and I now agree that Hillary must be left to make her wise and patriotic decision to save us from ourselves.She never had a chance to defeat BO.The MSM has had him in their sights and they will not bring him down until they decide when where and how.They put him into office and and they will remove him when
    he becomes chopped liver.Hillary will be SoS and the world will support her honor her and heed the words of wisdom and moderation that she projects while calming down a restless and worried world.It was very obvious during the debates and her campaign that there is no one else in this world men and women that can get the job done and avert armed conflicts like this great woman. She will dominate the news world wide and all eyes will be upon her looking at what could have been and what we now have to inaugurate,turn the back door keys over to him and keep our fingers crossed.

    By ABM90

  172. I think this offer from Obama is a real offer, I heard that after he got his first secret briefing, he looked stunned, after that is when we heard Hillary is to be SOS. He is not stupid, he needs good people to help us out of this mess. Its kind of funny, all those snl skits are coming true!
    I am sure he wants to succed and Hillary wants America to succeed. She listened and remembers all of those people on the campaign trail. I don’t think Hillary or Bill ever just blew off all those folks that spoke with them on the campaign trail. That is why they are so loved across America. That is why the ROve types do everything they can to stab the Clinton’s in the back. Why the democrats do is beyond me!

  173. I have got to get to the eye doctor, but I had one final thing:

    The DIRTY SECRET of the democratic party and big media is this: the voters do not decide who the nominee is–the dnc does.

    When Howard Dean was asked how the nominee would be decided he said this:

    “First we will let the voters HAVE THEIR SAY”.

    “Second, we will let the supedelegates HAVE THEIR SAY”

    “Then the DNC WILL DECIDE”.

    Yea, I know, wtf. If I had known then what I know now I never would have . . . .

    If Dean had been totally truthful he would have said ” AND THEN WE WILL INSTALL WHOEVER WE DAMN WELL PLEASE AND RIG THE SYSTEM TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS THE VOTERS IDEA.

    But you can only expect so much truth out of a blimp.

    Therefore, when Dean became head of the DNC and brought in the anti Clinton people and other Clinton people, they acquired the institutional leverage to rig the casucuses, neutralize florida and michigan voters, and threaten superdelegates and state committe chairmen.

    And that ladies and gentlemen is where the inside game was played.

    This suggests two conclusions:

    1) we did our part as voters, contributors, volunteers but our role is a limited one.

    2) perhaps this helps us understand why Hillary operated as she did realigning herself with the party. Perhaps not.

    If the truth here was widely known then the public would not watch tv, contribute time and money. And they might not provide the mandated elites have so they can promote the fiction that this is a democracy. Therefore the charade goes on.

  174. Not to promote too much history here but that was very much the issue at the bloody 1968 convention. Hube the cube was the establishmnet candidate (which bambi was here–contrary to dick morris lies), RFK and McCarthy were the populist candidates (which Hillary was here) and the party forced Humphrey down their thoats and the lost. Then in 1972, they overcorrected and let the popular will determine with the backdrop of the Viet Nam War, he won and lost the general election overwhelmingly. We are somewhere in the middle now, but closer I would say to 1968. Bad news for democracy/

  175. confloyd Says:

    November 21st, 2008 at 2:16 pm
    I think this offer from Obama is a real offer, I heard that after he got his first secret briefing, he looked stunned, after that is when we heard Hillary is to be SOS. He is not stupid, he needs good people to help us out of this mess. Its kind of funny, all those snl skits are coming true!
    I am sure he wants to succed and Hillary wants America to succeed. She listened and remembers all of those people on the campaign trail. I don’t think Hillary or Bill ever just blew off all those folks that spoke with them on the campaign trail. That is why they are so loved across America. That is why the ROve types do everything they can to stab the Clinton’s in the back. Why the democrats do is beyond me!

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    Interesting. I didn’t know, that BO was stunned after the first secret briefing. The SNL skits were truer, than most of us knew. I agree with the rest of your post.

    How is the bar?

  176. As for the auto workers, imo they should be paid full salary for painting murals and going to school in Japan.

  177. Blue Democrat Says: Maybe she thinks the country actually needs a top-shelf SOS rather than playing more politics day-in, day-out for the next 4 or 8 years hoping to take another crack at it.
    ===========================

    She may have given up on the presidency, but still think the country actually needs a top-shelf lifetime Lioness in the Senate working for her domestic agenda (and being a rallying point against BO), rather than nursemaiding BO day-in day-out for the next 4 or 8 years, as a scapegoat serving at the pleasure of the presidnet.

  178. WaPo just now says it’s official; Hillary has decided to accept Secretary of State, according to aides. Announcement after Thanksgiving

    😀

  179. She may have given up on the presidency, but still think the country actually needs a top-shelf lifetime Lioness
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    turndown: dont worry they have one:McCaskill.

    Oh I am sorry. You said lion-ess. I thought it said lying-ass.

  180. peppermintgirl4145 Says:
    November 21st, 2008 at 4:25 am
    I still don’t understand why you have to “vet” a former president.
    ===================

    As with VP:

    1. Obama gets good publicity for dangling the job
    2. BO may get the Clintons’ donor list or some info he can use against them
    3. BO gets to renege on the job offer
    4. BO gets to insult and smear the Clintons

  181. wbboei said: [Hillary] won the general election (even though she was not a candidate and was campaigning for bambi–she beat him by 4% based on exit polls)
    ===============

    The exit polls just counted the Pumas who actually voted for McCain. They couldn’t count the Pumas who stayed home but would have come out if Hillary had been on the ballot.

    However they did include the bots who would have stayed home if Obama had not been on the ballot.

    16 percent of McCain voters said they would have voted for Clinton,
    the Democrat, if she had been her party’s nominee. 43% of these voters
    who supported McCain but would have backed Clinton if she were in the
    race described themselves as Independents. 31% were Republicans; while
    26% were Democrats.

    h t t p : / / http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/11/12/politics/horserace/entry4596620.shtml?source=search_story

  182. They had to vet a former president so they could leak it and squeeze his donor list out of him.

    “You said lion-ess. I thought it said lying-ass.”

    WBBOEI,

    Ypu’re stil on a hot streak, eh? 🙂

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