Team Of Rivals

The latest claptrap served by Big Media at the behest of the Obama campaign (nothing’s changed, it’s still a bamboozle campaign) is the Team of Rivals fatuity. This fatuous narrative is supposed to explain why Hillary Clinton might become Secretary of State. Hillary should be careful however.

All Americans wish that new administrations succeed and responsible public officials want to help a new administration succeed. After all, a boob for a president, hurts the U.S. and all of us. Therefore logic dictates that we all hope and wish for the best for any new administration because it is in our best interests. However, history is a teacher. If you elect a boob expect boobery.

Big Media however wants us to ignore history and accept the worship Obama narrative. The Big Media propaganda this time derives from the Doris Kearns Goodwin book on Abraham Lincoln called Team of Rivals. The premise of the Goodwin book is Lincoln’s political genius by examining his relationships with three men he selected for his cabinet, all of whom were opponents for the Republican nomination in 1860

The last time Big Media tried to sell us a fatuous concept of this size and ridiculousness was in 2000. Back then George W. Bush and Karl Rove were the geniuses. Rove and Big Media pushed all sorts of intertwined, well read, crap. Back then Karl Rove:

invoked Franklin Roosevelt’s supremacy in the 1930s and suggested that something similar was at hand: “We’ve laid out an agenda, we’ve laid out a vision, and now people want to see results.”

One of the goals of any ambitious president is to create a governing coalition just as Roosevelt did, one that long outlasts your presidency. It’s the biggest thing you can aim for, and only a few presidents have achieved it. As the person with the long-term vision in the Bush administration, and with no lack of ambition either, Rove had thought long and hard about achieving this goal before ever arriving in the White House, and he has pursued it more aggressively than anyone else.

Rove has always cast himself not merely as a campaign manager but as someone with a mind for policy and for history’s deeper currents—as someone, in other words, with the wherewithal not just to exploit the political landscape but to reshape it. At the Christian Science Monitor lunch, he appeared poised to do just that. It was already clear that Social Security privatization, a longtime Rove enthusiasm, was the first thing Bush would pursue in his second term. When things are going well for Rove, he adopts a towel-snapping jocularity. He looked supremely sure of his prospects for success.

But within a year the administration was crumbling.

This all sounds sickeningly familiar. Rove and Big Media peppered their gruel with references to Mark Hanna and McKinley in the same way that today the Obama Hopium Eaters regurgitate Lincoln and his Team of Rivals.

We’ve been debunking the Obama as Lincoln narrative since May 1, 2007 (Obama’s Log Cabin). Unlike Obama, Lincoln argued on a national level for years about issues such as the Mexican War, tariffs, abolition, Texas annexation, the Wilmot Proviso, economic development in the relatively new nation, and of course Lincoln pretty much founded the Republican Party.

When Lincoln ran for President in 1860 he addressed the question of a house divided at the Cooper Union in New York and ran a campaign of important ideas in an increasingly divided nation. In contrast, Obama’s entire campaign was yelping for undefined “change” and tarring opponents, via surrogates and anonymous memos, as racists.

As Lincoln was sworn in as president in March 1861 seven states had already left the Union and the issues of confederacy versus central government, agrarian society versus industrial society, new states as slave or free states, and abolition of slavery were joined. The attack by the rebel states on the Union’s Fort Sumter in Charleston on April 12, 1861 started the cascade towards Civil War.

The very able Lincoln realized the then much smaller nation needed a unity government and so Lincoln created a unity government – a Team of Rivals.

Obama however needs a lifeline. Obama knows he is not experienced enough nor qualified to be president -so very much like an earlier Saturday Night Live skit – Obama is placing a 3:00 a.m. call to Hillary Clinton. When we wrote The Obama/Biden Game Show we did not realize it would be a remake of Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? featuring a hapless Obama desperately asking Hillary Clinton for assistance. That Obama and his campaign bizarrely derided Hillary as “inexperienced” in foreign affairs (not to mention racist) during the primaries makes the calls of “Hillary HELP” that much more humorous.

Big Media will persist in hawking the realignment theories of November 2008 in the same way Big Media hawked the realignment hogwash in 2000. Big Media will also, whatever happens, blame Hillary – and Bill, for anything that ever goes wrong for Obama. So Hillary, watch out, life in a gilded cage is not much of a life.

John McCain is also now drawn into the vortex of flim-flammery too. Responsible John McCain is promising Obama assistance and cooperation too. According to Big Media reports, John McCain and B.O. have some possible areas of agreement:

Obama and McCain were expected to discuss ways in which they could collaborate over the next four years, perhaps on issues including climate change, ethics reform and national service, aides said.

McCain knows very well that Obama cannot be trusted. McCain know history is a teacher. McCain knows Obama has a history which demonstrates Obama cannot be trusted. February 2006:

Republican Sen. John McCain on Monday accused his Democratic colleague Barack Obama of “partisan posturing” on the issue of lobbying ethics reform — a charge Obama called puzzling and regrettable.

The exchange, made in letters between the pair, was the latest sign of trouble as the two parties try to come up with legislation governing relations with lobbyists.

Based on past Obama statements, “I concluded your professed concern for the institution and the public interest was genuine and admirable,” McCain, R.-Ariz., wrote in a letter to Obama, D-Ill., Monday. “Thank you for disabusing me of such notions.” [snip]

Aides to McCain confirmed that McCain saw Obama’s first letter as partisan. “I’m embarrassed to admit that after all these years in politics I failed to interpret your previous assurances as typical rhetorical gloss routinely used in politics to make self-interested partisan posturing appear more noble,” McCain wrote.

History teaches that if you assist Obama you will be used and abused. Alice Palmer learned that a long time ago, in Chicago.

What Obama wants is not a Team of Rivals.

Obama wants to ream his rivals.

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144 thoughts on “Team Of Rivals

  1. With the media firmly on Obama’s corner, there would be no safety nets for Hillary if she decides to take the SOS post. If there are major disagreements between Obama and Hillary, the press will take Obama’s side and they will blame it all on Hillary.

    If both Hillary and Obama leak their disagreement to the press, who do you think they will believe? Obama of course. That’s why I believe that if he fires her, there will be no negative consequences on him. I do understand that Hillary would be a different SOS in that she has more clout and support than past SOS’s, but in the event of a major disagreement, it will be a battle of narratives. And in that battle, Hillary will always lose as long as the MSM is in the tank for Obama.

  2. Rickya

    I think the media is having their honeymoon with BO – this even happened with GW Bush and the media gave him momentum after 9-11 to sell the war to us. I would be astounded if at some point when BO doesn’t generate any ratings or opportunities to sell “minted gold coins” that they will continue to prop him up on every bad decision.

    Things are fluid and will change. If the economy drags him and the Dem congress down especially with bad choices on bailouts – seems that in another 6 months, the usual suspects in the auto industry will still be asking for handouts – then Clinton may be insulated. At the moment, I can live with Clinton finding the best position to suit her and serve the country even if she never makes it to President.

    Sadly, Clinton’s future will be tied to BO’s for better or worse.

  3. rgb44hrc Says:

    November 17th, 2008 at 10:23 am

    From our friends at NQ, an excerpt from 11/15:

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/15/america-on-a-witch-hunt-against-woman-enabled-by-barack-obama-and-his-msm/
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    Yeah, right, and Summers said these things dressed in a bath towel, right after saying he invented the Internet.

    What we DO know about Summers is that he was Bill and HIllary Clinton’s Treasury Secretary who TURNED THE BIGGEST DEFICIT INTO THE BIGGEST SURPLUS. (Supported and promoted by the Clintons from the beginning of their Admin ini 1993.)

    Speaking of confirmation hearings, imo we need Hillary in the Senate to speak out for whatever good old Clintonista candidates Obama DOES appoint — such as Summers.

  4. Thanks for connecting the dots, especially where ‘Team of Rivals’ is concerned. I’d just received an email from a friend who normally is capable of indepth analysis; she was responding to my protestations of what Obama continues to do to the Clintons. She cited Lincoln along with this book, concluding that ‘this is how it has been done since 1776’. Now she is tired of politics and is going to go to some museums to be rejuvenated. Would like to pull my hair out about now, for there is another voter giving up.

  5. Hey everyone!! 😀

    bet you all thought i fell off the blogosphere huh….. naw….just offline for a few days is all
    I’ve missed this forum immensely!!!

    I feel so out of the loop after missing a week of reading and chatting!!

    but i have to say…… it was nice getting away from the Obummer factor for a bit

    oh how i wish we can have a election “DO OVER”

  6. Admin…..

    I have alot of reading to do to catch up here, but so far i can see you are still ON TOP OF THE GAME!!

    Thanks so much for all you do!! 😀

  7. http://www.nbcaugusta.com/news/elections/obama/34587804.html
    Former Obama opponent now suing to prove President-elect’s citizenship
    Story Published: Nov 17, 2008 at 12:30 PM EST
    Story Updated: Nov 17, 2008 at 2:09 PM EST
    SACRAMENTO, Calif.- A former opponent of Barack Obama’s has come back to haunt him over questions regarding Obama’s citizenship.
    Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and other members of his American Independent Party have filed suit in California Superior Court in Sacramento to stop the state from giving its electoral votes to President-elect Barack Obama until documentary evidence is provided to prove Obama is indeed a citizen of the United States.
    Some conservatives have questioned Obama’s citizenship in recent months. Obama says he was born in Hawaii in 1961.
    Keyes also ran against Obama as a Republican for the U.S. Senate seat in Illinois in 2004. Obama won that election to serve his first and only term in the U.S. Senate.

  8. Marie…my husband is going to be so tickled to hear that Keyes is suing for documentation. Hubby is a HUGE Alan Keyes fan.

    Me? I could take him or leave him…but good on him for stepping up to the plate. 🙂

  9. I say it again: Condoleeza Who??

    Hillary please do what is best for you and your family.Your country comes next for it has betrayed you and allowed a fraud to become the next president and is well on his way to a pursuit of a dictatorship under the control of world money interests.Scary times ahead and the public could care less.The race card and fear that Obama has introduced like no other candidate before him will destroy our democracy for years to come while America slumbers in its bed of self interest.

    By ABM90. We have let you down Hillary and we beg your forgiveness.

  10. CNN Headline…”Bill Clinton could pose Cabinet problem”………MSM now acting as a “Concern Troll”…”Hillary would have been a great SOS except for Bill.” Scapegoating the Clintons will only shield Obama in the short term.

  11. Thank you Admin.

    From now on I am really going to try and wait for you to make sense of all these insatiable rumors that are sure to keep coming under the barbarian’s tenure. It will be a lot less stressful for me…lol…I have enough gray hairs as it is. 😉

  12. The world has made its decison. The American Media in general and left wing outlets like Huffpo are tying to fight it. The left wants this country to fail for the sake of their won perverse ideology. A week ago Bill was the stumbling block. Now since he will pass they have to invent others. At some point Obama will have to say no to the press or they will be running his administration. He had better do it soon or he will have no credibility in the world or in this country. You cannot govern without credibility. Lord I have seen this movie before. When the leader cannot make a decision without a consensus of his advisors he is in trouble.

  13. All of these ‘if she is…,then,’ are getting a little old. Please just do it or not, Hillary. If Hillary does accept SOS, then I wish wholeheartedly for her success [and the nation’s] to be on her terms, and not to create the appearance of substance for the President Select that he would otherwise not have.

    How can we help Hillary as SOS, if it is offered and she accepts?

  14. I believe Hillary will accept SOS. Otherwise, why even do the vetting? BTW, notice the difference between the Guardian story, which says she wants the job and the vetting likely won’t be a big deal, and the stupid CNN piece that makes a huge production out of it. The U.S. media always has to turn every Clinton story into some sort of faux scandal.

    BTW, when did Hillary tell Bill to “knock it off” on the campaign trail? I must’ve missed that.

  15. BTW, someone on HillBuzz commented that John Kerry will be pissed if Obama picks Hillary as SOS, lol. Of course, she ‘s a much better choice for that post than he is, as we all know.

  16. the only reason kerry wants SoS is to extend his beluga and toast points society beyond beacon hill. the guy is a total snob and deserves to be dissed by BHO. would serve him right and ohh-soo sweet for hillary.

  17. CNN piece that makes a huge production out of it. The U.S. media always has to turn every Clinton story into some sort of faux scandal.
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    Look at these news outlets like they were your advisors, there to help you make sound rational decisions in life. Who in their right mind would want someone like cnn advising them on anything. In their world neery a day passes that the sky is not falling in. Hysterical fools.

    Personally, I think if you went up the exective elevator thought the long mahogony panelling to the office of president and snuck by his exective secretary who is not looking you would enter the office and hear a vaguely familar voice on the phone and the back of his head receding hairline and all.

    You would clear your thoat, the voice would say something wonderful like just a minute somebody just cama in hear I gotta see who the fuck it is and then you would come face to face with Jack Cafferty. It has got to be some nutcase like him.

    But nutcases are one thing. Bad as they are they are always trumped by the morally depraved just as aces trump kings. And the ace of them all has got to be Morris. His only mission in life is to attack Bill and Hillary. He is the best argument i can think of for euthenasia. Plus he is an inept pollster, whose analysis aint worth spit.

  18. BTW, someone on HillBuzz commented that John Kerry will be pissed if Obama picks Hillary as SOS, lol. Of course, she ’s a much better choice for that post than he is, as we all know.
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    kerry is more like a majordomo.

  19. the only reason kerry wants SoS is to extend his beluga and toast points society beyond beacon hill. the guy is a total snob and deserves to be dissed by BHO. would serve him right and ohh-soo sweet for hillary.
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    agreed. Kerry would be a great understudy for Robin Leech to narrate future episodes of the Rich and Famous.

  20. What makes chuck hagel a genius other than the fact that I ran into him 5 times in one day on Capitol Hill and by the fifth time he told me I looked familiar and hadn’t we met somewhere before.

  21. At some point Obama will have to say no to the press or they will be running his administration.
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    This will be one of the things to watch. He has let the camel gets its nose and now its entire body inside the tent. They will want to know every secret and be at the planning table and that is utterly unworkable. As I said before they cannot read a nautical chart yet they want to provide the navigational plan for the voyage.

  22. And in times they will say things like we have a right to know and you owe us . . . subtle they are not.

    Admiral Richover had a wonderful answer to that sort of demand–25 years ago on Meet The Press:

    You (big media) are nothing but a bunch of soap and deorderant salesmen and as far as I am concerned this interview is terminated.

  23. It is kinda fun to watch Obama “mess around” with the self-important “progressive bloggers. Rahm as Chief of Staff and now telling Reid to keep Lieberman a Chairman of Homeland Sec Comm.

  24. Paula Says:

    November 17th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
    birdgal, Then it’s high time we add to that list!

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    ITA! I will support Senator Clinton in any role that she chooses. I have some qualms about her working for BO, but she is so talented and held in high regard around the world, she would shine as SOS. In addition, she has enough grit and determination, that she would be taken seriously by our enemies. I can’t imagine Judas or Horseface being taken as seriously, as Senator Clinton. She is a remarkable, brilliant, and talented person.

  25. SHV Says:

    November 17th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
    It is kinda fun to watch Obama “mess around” with the self-important “progressive bloggers. Rahm as Chief of Staff and now telling Reid to keep Lieberman a Chairman of Homeland Sec Comm.

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    I think Reid should leave Lieberman alone. The guy is an INDEPENDENT, thus, he is free to campaign or caucus with whomever he wishes. So, BO is telling Reid to keep Lieberman as Chairman of Homeland Sec Comm?

  26. I don’t think that Hillary will accept. Their statement that Hillary will accept if formally offered is their way of passing the buck to Obama. The Obama campaign has been leaking that it will be hers if she accepts putting the onus on her so that in the event that this does not push thru, they can blame it all on Hillary.

    I think that the Clinton camp doesn’t believe that the offer was genuine.

  27. ITA! I will support Senator Clinton in any role that she chooses. I have some qualms about her working for BO, but she is so talented and held in high regard around the world, she would shine as SOS. In addition, she has enough grit and determination, that she would be taken seriously by our enemies. I can’t imagine Judas or Horseface being taken as seriously, as Senator Clinton. She is a remarkable, brilliant, and talented person.
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    Horseface? How about Sea Biscuit?

  28. I don’t think that Hillary will accept. Their statement that Hillary will accept if formally offered is their way of passing the buck to Obama. The Obama campaign has been leaking that it will be hers if she accepts putting the onus on her so that in the event that this does not push thru, they can blame it all on Hillary.

    I think that the Clinton camp doesn’t believe that the offer was genuine.
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    Perhaps that is true. Perhaps no offer has been made yet pending the resolution of outstanding issues. But he has released it to the public, and world wide newspapers are reporting an offer has been made. If he does not intend to do it he has carried the ruse too far. He could always impose some deal killer proposal. That would be bad faith bargaining and that is not where he needs to be. He could still divide the party and send the wrong message to allies. The campaign is over and it aint checkers no more. It is three dimensional chess. Illionis Combine too cute by the halves rules will no longer cut it. Big Media and the DNC are not the answer.

  29. ABM90,

    You hit it out of the park in your earlier post with regards to analysis.
    Two things. One, let’s remember it was Hillary who decided not to go to Denver and pursue this ‘good team player’ avenue.

    And secondly -and I have barely ruminated on the shortcomings of the campaign here – it is difficult to see how Hilary supporters let her down, generally speaking.

    There was enough ineptitude and lack of anticipation by her team that the mind truly boggles.

  30. Clinton to accept offer of secretary of state job

    US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama and former candidate Senator Hillary Clinton prepare to board a plane. Photograph: Emmanuel Dunand/AFP/Getty images

    Hillary Clinton plans to accept the job of secretary of state offered by Barack Obama, who is reaching out to former rivals to build a broad coalition administration, the Guardian has learned.

    Obama’s advisers have begun looking into Bill Clinton’s foundation, which distributes millions of dollars to Africa to help with development, to ensure there is no conflict of interest. But Democrats believe the vetting will be straightforward.

    Clinton would be well placed to become the country’s dominant voice in foreign affairs, replacing Condoleezza Rice. Since being elected senator for New York, she has specialised in foreign affairs and defence. Although she supported the war in Iraq, she and Obama basically agree on a withdrawal of American troops.

    Clinton, who still harbours hopes of a future presidential run, had to weigh up whether she would be better placed by staying in the Senate, which offers a platform for life, or making the more uncertain career move to the state department.

    As part of the coalition-building, Obama yesterday also reached out to his defeated Republican rival, John McCain, to discuss how they could work together to roll back some of the most controversial policies of the Bush years. Putting aside the bitter words thrown about with abandon by both sides during the election campaign, McCain flew to meet Obama at his headquarters in the Kluczynski Federal Building, in downtown Chicago.

    Obama, speaking before the meeting, said: “We’re going to have a good conversation about how we can work together to fix up the country.” Asked by a reporter whether he would work with Obama, McCain, who favours a bipartisan approach to politics, replied: “Obviously”.

    Sources on both sides said Obama did not offer McCain a cabinet job, but focused on how the senator for Arizona could help to guide legislation that they both strongly favour through Congress.

    Given Obama’s status as president-in-waiting, the two met in a formal setting, a room decked out with a US flag, and were accompanied by senior advisers. Although the two clashed during the election campaign over tax policy and withdrawal from Iraq, they have more in common than they have differences. They both favour the closure of the Guantánamo Bay detention centre, an increase in US troops to Afghanistan, immigration reform, stem cell research and measures to tackle climate change, and oppose torture and the widespread use of wire-tapping.

    After the meeting, they issued a joint statement saying: “At this defining moment in history, we believe that Americans of all parties want and need their leaders to come together and change the bad habits of Washington so that we can solve the common and urgent challenges of our time. We hope to work together in the days and months ahead on critical challenges like solving our financial crisis, creating a new energy economy and protecting our nation’s security.”

    Although Democrats made gains in the Senate in the November 4 elections, they fell short of the 60 seats that would have allowed them to override Republican blocking tactics and will need Republican allies to get Obama’s plans through. This was highlighted yesterday when the Democratic leadership in Congress announced that a broad economic stimulus package Obama sought was not likely to be passed because of Republican opposition.

    Obama confirmed at the weekend that he would offer jobs to some Republicans. One of the names that crops up most often is Chuck Hagel, the former Republican senator who is a specialist in foreign affairs and a critic of the Iraq war.

  31. What has happened to Taylor Marsh, she sure has turned into a Hillary hater! I can’t imagine why she must continue the hate Hillary speeches. The election is over, she should just cool it. I was over there lurking to see what the kool-aid drinkers think and low and behold Marsh is acting ridiculous!

  32. confloyd Says:

    November 17th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
    What has happened to Taylor Marsh, she sure has turned into a Hillary hater! I can’t imagine why she must continue the hate Hillary speeches. The election is over, she should just cool it. I was over there lurking to see what the kool-aid drinkers think and low and behold Marsh is acting ridiculous!

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    Confloyd, TM lost it, a long time ago. Maybe, she is auditioning for a job with MSNBO.

  33. rickya Says:
    November 17th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
    I don’t think that Hillary will accept. Their statement that Hillary will accept if formally offered is their way of passing the buck to Obama.
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    Worked with VP. She bowed and offered to accept VP, and they backed down.

  34. Colmes and Morris are a second coming of the radio hit program
    Amos and Andy back in the early 20’s.How can FOX continue to present these two obnoxious short arms that have very little credibility in their constant dribble about the political farce that is being staged by both parties.How long must we hear the introduction of Morris as aformer Clinton Adviser.They kicked this slimy pervert out of the whitehouse.MSM is pushing the SOS scenario so they can continue the Clinton Bashing to go forward.I really believe That Hillary is the best person for that job but the price she will pay for her loyalty to this country will be just what Obama can use to render her voiceless and unable to do her job the correct way.On another subject the bailout money to the big three auto makers will be a cash cow being milked to keep them manufacturing the usualhigh powered gas guzzling expensive cars that ordinary folks cannot afford and the unions have priced them out of world competetive markets.The energy saving cars need expensive electric power replacement batteries and fuel.I expect that dealerships will have to move out to inactive farmlands and turn them into storage places for new and used vehicles with no visible means of being purchased by anyone but the wealthy who can pay cash in the absence of bank loans.Perhaps we should invest in wagons.There are plenty of jackasses in the electorate to power them.

    By ABM90 Just letting off steam.The pressure is mounting.

  35. Taylor Marsh has been behaving schizo since the primary is over. She did an outstanding job when Hillary was running, but went to the dark side stating that she was a good democrat, and then went aptsh!t over Obama and allowed the bots to go crazy. Last time I checked she had only videos up.
    Taylor Marsh is sooo over.

  36. This is starting to get scary. Is the outside world really going to blow up unless Hillary steps in to save it … at the cost of her own career?

    Is she the ONLY sane person who could get the job and keep Obama in line? What about Rice, who had experience nursing Bush Jr along?

    “Take a letter, Miss Holt.”

    “Yes, Mr. Steele. By the way, I’m sure you remember….”

  37. Check out these dumbass bots

    Hannity was talking about this tonight on his show

    http://www.howobamagotelected.com/
    On November 4th, 2008 millions of Americans were shocked that a man of Barack Obama’s limited experience, extreme liberal positions and radical political alliances could be elected President of the United States. For many of these Americans, the explanation was rather simple… the news media, completely enamored with Obama, simply refused to do their job.
    On Election day twelve Obama voters were interviewed extensively right after they voted to learn how the news media impacted their knowledge of what occurred during the campaign. These voters were chosen for their apparent intelligence/verbal abilities and willingness to express their opinions to a large audience. The rather shocking video below seeks to provide some insight into which information broke through the news media clutter and which did not.

  38. http://www.obamacrimes.com/
    Full Page Ad in Washington Times Weekly – November 17, 2008
    Monday, 17 November 2008 18:29 Webmaster Main – NewsThis full-page ad appeared today in the Washington Times National Weekly (Monday November 17th edition) It will hit subscribers’ mailboxes on Tuesday. (PDF attached at bottom)

    Link says the ad is in the Washongton Times issue for delivery tomorrow with the Three Questions for Obama”
    http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/065_Obama%20Crimes%20Ad%20-%20Wash%20Times%2020081117.pdf

  39. If he cannot shoot straight with her on this secretary of state thing then she does not need it. This is a failure of leadership and it is beginning before he even gets started. Better for her to know that now than find out after she has given up the senate seat. But it is her decision.

  40. If anyone asks me, my poll vote would be for Hillary to stay in the Senate and not get mixed up with BO. If she’s focused on her own career or even her domestic issues, I’d think she’d stay in the Senate.

    To look at the other side, what reasons might pull her to take the job…. This situation is different than campaigining for BO or accepting VP. No one is putting that kind of pressure on her. If she takes SOS, it will be for good reasons of her own, which we can only guess at.

    She has said that chances of her running for Pres again are ‘near zero’ — and that may have been before Nov 4. So she may see it as nothing much to lose. I’ve been assuming that if she gives up her Senate seat she couldn’t or wouldn’t get it back, or anything comparable; but she may have moves we don’t know about.

    Scary, maybe she thinks some world situaiton is more important than the domestic economy or longterm legislation, and wants to keep Obama from starting WWIII. The conventional view of the SOS position is that it is strictly servant of the President. But what if she used that conventional view to cover her taking the bit between her own teeth and going out and saying “Well, you know, this morning I talked to President Obama and he instructed me–” And then announcing just exactly what SHE wants to do. So what can he do? Come out and deny it? Accuse her of misquoting him? He’d look ridiculous. In fact he’d have to follow her lead (especially when he saw what a good reaction it got). If she got really determined, she could make him HER puppet.

    People talk about SOS putting her on the world stage, which seems redundant to me: She’s already GOT a place on the world stage. But maybe the world stage is also a safety net, a place to step into if she ever for whatever reason gives up on the US.

    Could be, that in any SOS teamwork between her and Obama, he’s the one with a lot to lose, and she’s got the freedom of nothing more to lose….

    And there’s also the ‘Clinton Restoration without the Clintons’ going, Obama naming good Clintonistas to his own staff and cabinet. (Including, I hope, the Clintons’ excellent Treasury Secretary, Larry Summers.)

  41. Hey Turndownobama, please don’t take offense…
    but i just read your post above and was really into it because I’m really struggling with this sos thing in my head …
    *******************
    and then you said …”Including, I hope, the Clintons’ excellent Treasury Secretary, Larry
    Summers.”)

    Sorry, it just cracked me up!LOL…
    Are you related to Summers, your uncle maybe…you have been relentless!!! he should be paying you(is he?) I wish i had a vote on this, you’ve convinced me!!

  42. This was featured on Hannity and Colmes earlier tonite: a detailed survey on how “informed” Obama voters were about the campaign and their candidate in general.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8&eurl=http://howobamagotelected.com/

    Zogby Poll

    512 Obama Voters 11/13/08-11/15/08 MOE +/- 4.4 points

    97.1% High School Graduate or higher, 55% College Graduates

    Results to 12 simple Multiple Choice Questions

    57.4% could NOT correctly say which party controls congress (50/50 shot just by guessing)

    81.8% could NOT correctly say Joe Biden quit a previous campaign because of plagiarism (25% chance by guessing)

    82.6% could NOT correctly say that Barack Obama won his first election by getting opponents kicked off the ballot (25% chance by guessing)

    88.4% could NOT correctly say that Obama said his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket (25% chance by guessing)

    56.1% could NOT correctly say Obama started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground (25% chance by guessing).

    And yet…..

    Only 13.7% failed to identify Sarah Palin as the person on which their party spent $150,000 in clothes

    Only 6.2% failed to identify Palin as the one with a pregnant teenage daughter

    And 86.9 % thought that Palin said that she could see Russia from her “house,” even though that was Tina Fey who said that!!

    Only 2.4% got at least 11 correct.

    Only .5% got all of them correct. (And we “gave” one answer that was technically not Palin, but actually Tina Fey)

  43. Did Obama overplay his hand on the SOS matter?

    Is it possible that he offered the job to Hillary for no reason other than to get a self serving headline that he is so Lincolnesque that he reached out to former rivals.

    But he never guessed that Hillary would be interested or that Bill would agree to be vetted, since they said no to the vp slot.

    So he felt safe and leaked out that word only to discover that there was an interest and that Bill would indeed agree to be vetted.

    And now he finds that he has hoisted himself on his own petard and is trying to get left wing media to talk it down.

    But in the meantime NYT and the foreign press are giving this offer he never expected them to accept a big thumbs up and treating it like a fait a compli.

    And some of his attorneys who have been doing the vetting and did not get the word are saying No Problema.

    And now he is trying to forge a consensus among the twenty or so advisors he has consulted with on how to get the genie back in the bottle.

    And people are now saying if he reneges he will divide the party.

    I dont know. But it will be interesting to watch and see what comes of this.

  44. I have mixed feelings about Hillary as SOS. On the positive side, she would do an excellent job and the world will be safer with her in that position. Hillary’s not gonna let World War 3 break out under her watch.

    It sucks that she will be working for bHo. But he can’t order her around too much because he has absolutely no clue when it comes to foreign affairs. Does anyone think Dubya understands half of what Condoleeza says to him during their 3 AM phone calls? It’ll be the same with Hillary and Pampers. Hillary will call him up, tell him what’s what, he’ll say uh and um and OK, and then she’ll decide what she’s supposed to do next.

    Another advantage for SOS Hillary is that she’ll be free and clear of whatever sht hits the fan economically. Given the current political climate, as a Senator she’ll be pressured into voting for whatever insane legislation the lefties manage to cook up. I don’t think they’ll let her or any other moderate push much of their agenda through. They’ve already made it clear that Hillary’s not going to get any say in health care, which would have been one of her main reasons for her staying in the Senate.

    An advantage to us Hillfans… If Hillary is SOS, we get to see her on TV more than we would if she stays in the Senate.

    But there’s a downside to taking the SOS position. For starters, BO could fire Hillary whenever he wants, leaving her without any political power. Surely, putting up with his ego and his bullsht will not be a pleasant experience for her. And if anything goes wrong, he’ll blame her. He’s already acting like an ass, vetting Bill and bothering him yet again about who donated to the Clinton Library. (Why doesn’t bHo live up to his own standards and tell us who all donated to his campaign?)

  45. On the Lieberman front, this should have the dailykooks yelping:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15712.html

    After weeks of tough talk and threats, Senate Democrats are poised to let Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman keep his chairmanship of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee despite his support for John McCain — and criticism of Barack Obama — in the presidential race.

    It’s a familiar trick for the senator from Connecticut. Two years ago, Democrats, furious over Lieberman’s support for President George W. Bush and the war in Iraq, rejected him in the primary — only to see him win reelection as an independent.

    Lieberman may yet pay a price this time around. When Democrats gather Tuesday morning in the Old Senate Chamber, they could decide to punish him by stripping him of subcommittee seats he holds on the Armed Services and Environment and Public Works, or EPW, committees. But Democratic insiders said Monday there was growing consensus for letting Lieberman keep the gavel at Homeland Security.

  46. I think the real reason they’re “vetting” Bill is because Obama wants to deploy him around the world, too. Once this vetting is finished and Obama is sworn in, Bill will work with Hillary in many ways, even though he won’t have her title. Obama will “use” Bill the way Hillary said the U.S. should take advantage of its former presidents, back during the campaign.

  47. jeleanoro Says:
    November 18th, 2008 at 1:07 am
    and then you said …”Including, I hope, the Clintons’ excellent Treasury Secretary, Larry
    Summers.”)

    Sorry, it just cracked me up!LOL…
    Are you related to Summers, your uncle maybe…you have been relentless!!! he should be paying you(is he?) I wish i had a vote on this, you’ve convinced me!!

    ============

    :-)))))))

  48. Umm, is it really a “leak” when it’s given outright by the transition team to the WaPo?

    NYDN;
    Team Obama is apparently trying to pry open some of these Clinton connections through a 63-page vetting document that all potential appointees have been asked to fill out.

    One section in particular asks whether there are “any categories of personal financial records . . . that you (or your spouse) will not release publicly if necessary. If so, please identify these records and state the reasons for withholding them.”

    Interestingly, in the margins of a copy of the application leaked from the transition team to The Washington Post, the word “Clinton” is written next to that paragraph.

  49. I think that Obama is playing chicken and the Clinton camp is just calling their bluff.

    What the Obama camp is doing is leaking that Clinton has the job if she wants it. Clinton then responds that she will accept if offered. Obama camp then releases leaks that they might have problems vetting Bill betting that Bill would not release his financial documents. Clinton releases his financial documents and the ball will be on Obama’s camp.

    I really think that Obama is just using this ruse to add credibility to his eventual choice. And yes, they have taken the ruse too far.

  50. rickya, I think your right, they will also never be satisfied until they THINK they have destroyed her chances of becoming POTUS!

  51. I wonder about two things.

    How much influence does Kennedy have on Obama today?

    Will his unreasonable hatred of Hillary blow up in his face?

  52. Cabinet post for Clinton roils Obamaland

    Barack Obama’s serious flirtation with his one-time rival, Hillary Clinton, over the post of secretary of State has been welcomed by everyone from Henry Kissinger to Bill Clinton as an effective, grand gesture by the president-elect.

    It’s not playing quite as well, however, in some precincts of Obamaland. From his supporters on the progressive wing of the Democratic Party, to campaign aides of the soon-to-be commander-in-chief, there’s a sense of ambivalence about giving a top political plum to a woman they spent 18 months hammering as the compromised standard-bearer of an era that deserves to be forgotten.

    “These are people who believe in this stuff more than Barack himself does,” said a Democrat close to Obama’s campaign. “These guys didn’t put together a campaign in order to turn the government over to the Clintons.”

    An overlooked theme in Obama’s primary victory was his belief that the Clinton legacy was not, as the Clintons imagined, a pure political positive. The Obama campaign had no compunctions about poking holes in that legacy and even sent out mailings stressing the downside of the last “8 years of the Clintons” – enraging the former president in particular.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15703.html

  53. Latest on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
    November 18, 2008 8:08 AM

    ABC News has learned that serious progress has been made on the notion of a Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

    It is not yet a done deal, but sources say both President-elect Obama and Sen. Clinton are increasingly optimistic that her assignment will happen.

    And some Democrats say it could happen as early as in the next week.

    One of the sticking points, of course, has been the complex web of international business dealings of former President Bill Clinton. But sources say there has been movement on that front, with some vetting being supervised by Obama attorney Christine Varney with serious involvement by many officials whom the Clintons know and trust, including some Clinton Foundation officials.

    – jpt

  54. rickya Says:

    November 18th, 2008 at 6:09 am
    I think that Obama is playing chicken and the Clinton camp is just calling their bluff.
    &&&&&&&&&&&

    Yeah, my opinion too.

    Does she really want to be report to THAT BOSS?…..

    Yeah, didn’t think so.

  55. If she doesn’t want the position, then why, is she going through all the vetting? The bots heads must be exploding.

  56. If she is named the SOS then the markets around the world will go up…if not it will go down a lot!!!!

    Mark my words!!!!…even though I do not want her to take the position!!

  57. I have mixed feelings about Hillary as SOS. On the positive side, she would do an excellent job and the world will be safer with her in that position. Hillary’s not gonna let World War 3 break out under her watch.

    It sucks that she will be working for bHo. But he can’t order her around too much because he has absolutely no clue when it comes to foreign affairs. Does anyone think Dubya understands half of what Condoleeza says to him during their 3 AM phone calls? It’ll be the same with Hillary and Pampers. Hillary will call him up, tell him what’s what, he’ll say uh and um and OK, and then she’ll decide what she’s supposed to do next.

    Another advantage for SOS Hillary is that she’ll be free and clear of whatever sht hits the fan economically. Given the current political climate, as a Senator she’ll be pressured into voting for whatever insane legislation the lefties manage to cook up. I don’t think they’ll let her or any other moderate push much of their agenda through. They’ve already made it clear that Hillary’s not going to get any say in health care, which would have been one of her main reasons for her staying in the Senate.

    An advantage to us Hillfans… If Hillary is SOS, we get to see her on TV more than we would if she stays in the Senate.

    But there’s a downside to taking the SOS position. For starters, BO could fire Hillary whenever he wants, leaving her without any political power. Surely, putting up with his ego and his bullsht will not be a pleasant experience for her. And if anything goes wrong, he’ll blame her. He’s already acting like an ass, vetting Bill and bothering him yet again about who donated to the Clinton Library. (Why doesn’t bHo live up to his own standards and tell us who all donated to his campaign?)
    ——————————————
    I agree with all this. It is what I have been trying to say. I do think alot of the impetus for this is coming from abroad as well as within the party. The gravity of the problems we are facing, her ability to build new coalitions and the good will the Clinton enjoy around the world will make it harder for him to behave in an arbitrary and capricious manner. However the risks are precisely as you have stated. Opposition from bots inside or outside the administration is also a factor.

    These little untermenchen will be a big drag on his presidency on all fronts because they do not understand the difference between governing and campaigning and think the world revolves entirely around them. They are in for a rude awakening. And so is he.

  58. When I say he is in for a rude awakening what I mean is he will soon become the man who has the problems of the world resting on his shoulders. It is an interesting positon to be in for a man who spent his political career hiding from problems rather than dealing with them, rewarding handlers and compromising consitutents. This aint Kansas no more Todo, nor is it Chicago, and combine rules dont work here. I just dont see him as a hands on leader. What I do see is someone who will be unduly influenced by Machiavellians within his administration, turf wars, grand pronouncements and draconian measures.

  59. What hillary needs to understand if she becomes the SOS is who will be the defense sec….because the the two need to work together.

    Remember the hostility of Powell and rumsfeld…that is why the iraq war sitaution became what it did…. a turf war!!!

    I still think Gates is the best defense sec I have seen in a very long time!!!! he should be kept on and he and Hill should work together. Of course he may not want to stay under BO!!!!

  60. birdgal Says:

    November 18th, 2008 at 10:18 am
    If she doesn’t want the position, then why, is she going through all the vetting? The bots heads must be exploding.
    &&&&&

    She also played the “I’d LOOOOOVE to be the vice president” game.

    I believe the game goes like this:

    Obama (to himself) “I have to look like I considered Hillary, to make me look good”

    Hillary (to herself) “I have to look like I’d want to be part of the “Historic Presidency”, even though I wouldn’t trust him as far as I can throw him”

    Obama: “Hillary, we are definitely looking at making use of your foreign policy expertise. Your the best”.

    Hillary: “Well, Barack, I certainly hope to be part of this team that is going to make history”.

    Obama: “Very well then. Let’s see where this goes.”

    Hillary: “Great. But remember, ultimately, it’s your decision. No one should put a gun to your head and demand that anyone be given a particular position”.

    Obama: “Agreed, there are many factors”

    Hillary, “Well, it’s been nice we’ve had this chat. Again”

    Obama: “Yes, it’s always a pleasure”

    O (to himself) “No way in hell, I’d rather give up smoking”

    H (to herself) “What a pompous turd, I need a stiff drink”

  61. This is the same BS we saw for VP. It is a ruse. The following will happen imo:
    1)Offers it knowing something in Bill’s foundation will cause conflict of interest and he can say “I tried” knowing he never was going to pick her
    2)Most likely will pick turncoat extrodinaire Bill Richardson with Hillary given “ample consideration” but fatsos experience was deciding factor
    3)Somehow he actually offers her and she accepts; she is kept under lock and key and like Colin Powell “leaves” after first term.
    4)Most likely another lie from Obama and she remains in Senate and has to fight Reid, kennedy, Durbin, Kerry, and other good old boys to get anything done.

    Never trust BO!!!

  62. Excuse me for being both ambivalent and suspicious at the same time, about Hillary being being offered the Secretary of State post.

    Does anyone else find it funny that they are “vetting” her husband’s financial dealings?

    Why do I get the impression that they really want to know where Bill gets his money to fund his Foundation? They want to get into their finances.

    I may be wrong, but I will agree with someone who said, I am not sure if it is at NQ or her at Big Pink, that he will offer her the position to get her out of the Senate, then after two years or so , fire her for some trumped up reason.

    Don’t trust him, don’t trust his people.

  63. You’ve seen that argument here, about the “he can fire her at will at any time for any reason”. But almost certainly, you probably have seen that type of talk at NQ too.

  64. Most of us here would agree that Hillary is a brilliant woman. We know she has tremendous experiece and wisdom in politics. And she knows Obama better than we do.

    Given all that why do you think she is interested the sos position in lieu of staying in the senate? She can serve the country in either capacity. Does she fail to see what we see? Does she weigh the equities differently than we do, i.e. duty etc? Or does she see more than we see?

    I do not profess to know. But it may be worth thinking about.

  65. LITTLE YELPING DOGS SCARING NO ONE:

    admin Says:

    November 18th, 2008 at 2:59 am
    On the Lieberman front, this should have the dailykooks yelping:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15712.html

    After weeks of tough talk and threats, Senate Democrats are poised to let Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman keep his chairmanship of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee despite his support for John McCain — and criticism of Barack Obama — in the presidential race.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    Congressional Dems: “Yip yip yap yap, grrrrr”

    Repubs: “Bad little doggie. Shut up now!”

    Dems “(whimpering)”.

  66. Paula Says:

    November 17th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
    BTW, I just read on HillBuzz that six previous secretaries of State later became president.
    &&&&&&&

    I don’t recall where I saw the list of previous SoS’s, but the six that did become president were from the early 1800’s. Apparently it is no longer the preferred route to the WhiteHouse.

    Apparently, being a community organizer with suspicious ties and mysterious wealthy backers is the new fast track.

  67. BlueDem was the one who turned up that data on Sec. of State:

    http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=779

    Blue Democrat Says:
    November 14th, 2008 at 5:52 am

    1913-1915: William Jennings Bryan (candidate)

    1845-1849: James Buchanan
    1826-1831: Martin Van Buren
    1817-1825: John Quincy Adams
    1815-1817: James Monroe
    1811-1814: James Monroe
    1801-1809: James Madison
    1789-1793: Thomas Jefferson

  68. I’d just received an email from a friend who normally is capable of indepth analysis; she was responding to my protestations of what Obama continues to do to the Clintons. She cited Lincoln along with this book, concluding that ‘this is how it has been done since 1776′. Now she is tired of politics and is going to go to some museums to be rejuvenated. Would like to pull my hair out about now, for there is another voter giving up.
    ——————————————
    How long will that sort of indifference last when the draconian economic policies hit the transome? Will people like her say this is how it has been done since federal income tax was insitutued, its all bush’s fault and whatever msnbc tells me is true? Perhaps.

    Or will they say this is conduct unbecoming a Messiah, this aint what he promised, and i dont like it? Will they also remember little nuggets from the campaign trail,about spreading the wealth around? Will they see that they now have less money to spend and it does not go as far? Will they have jobs?

    He will soon be the “ruler”. He told us he was the one we have been waiting for–and now he can deliver all of those little miracles he has promised us as a card carrying messiah.

  69. three unanswered qustions about BHO?

    1. was BHO born in Kenya.
    2. is BHO a citizen of Indonesia?
    3. Does the Constitution stll matter?

    This bothers me a lot..read more on obamacrimes.com….

    I will never call him my POTUS if he fails to justify those three questions….

  70. magic007 Says:

    November 18th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
    three unanswered qustions about BHO?

    1. was BHO born in Kenya.
    2. is BHO a citizen of Indonesia?
    3. Does the Constitution stll matter?

    This bothers me a lot..read more on obamacrimes.com….

    I will never call him my POTUS if he fails to justify those three questions….
    ——————————————
    He is not legitimate. Also, he cheated to win the primary. And he cheated again to win the ge.

  71. Hillary as SoS will be a great thing, and Obama and Hillary agree that all the vetting is necessary, to inoculate Bill Clinton from inevitable criticism from the GOP that his work creates a conflict of interest. Obama, Hillary and Bill will be able to say after all this, “no, we have done our homework and walled-off Bill where necessary, so there are no conflicts.”

  72. This is not a ruse. Hillary will almost certainly be secretary of State. The whole vetting issue is being pushed by the media and perhaps those who want someone else to get the job (Richardson peeps?). Keep in mind, the Politico story saying the Clinton people were slow to cooperate in the vetting was vehemently denied by the Obama camp. If they were going to use the vetting as an excuse to deny her the job, they wouldn’t call that story bunk.

    BTW, I just checked Taylor Marsh’s site for the first time in a long time, and she was defending Hillary as a top SoS choice. Maybe some of her posters are Hillary haters but she’s not, as far as I can tell.

    As for Hillary taking the job, I’m guessing she made the calculation it’s better to be helping run the country’s foreign policy in a time of crisis than one of 100 senators in a body where she has little seniority. And she could run for governor of NY eventually (and perhaps president again), so her political career is likely not over either.

  73. Berkekey Vox; How about vetting Obama before this whole scam takes place on Jan 20.The country does not need him but we sure need the Clintons to restore this country after the phoney election the DNC arranged.

    By ABM90

  74. I agree, BV. And if they thought the Obama people vetting would produce a problem, Hillary never would’ve been considered for the job in the first place.

  75. Berkeley Vox Says:

    November 18th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
    Hillary as SoS will be a great thing, and Obama and Hillary agree that all the vetting is necessary, to inoculate Bill Clinton from inevitable criticism from the GOP that his work creates a conflict of interest. Obama, Hillary and Bill will be able to say after all this, “no, we have done our homework and walled-off Bill where necessary, so there are no conflicts.”

    ——————————————————————————————————

    I think I agree with this. The vetting is necessary for both sides. Ironic, that BO hasn’t been vetted so well.

  76. jbstonesfan Says:

    November 18th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
    I respectfully disagree..No way is that fraud going to give SOS to our Hillary
    ———————————————————————————————-

    Then, why, are they going through all the vetting process?

  77. birdgal Says:

    November 18th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
    jbstonesfan Says:

    November 18th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
    I respectfully disagree..No way is that fraud going to give SOS to our Hillary
    ———————————————————————————————-

    Then, why, are they going through all the vetting process?
    —-

    TO GET AT BILL’S DONORS!!!!!! they want to break up the clinton foundation and its mission!!!!!!

  78. How about vetting Obama before this whole scam takes place on Jan 20.The country does not need him but we sure need the Clintons to restore this country after the phoney election the DNC arranged.

    By ABM90
    ————————————–
    correct

  79. birdgal Says:

    November 18th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
    jbstonesfan Says:

    November 18th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
    I respectfully disagree..No way is that fraud going to give SOS to our Hillary
    ———————————————————————————————-

    Then, why, are they going through all the vetting process?
    &&&&&&&&&&

    Supposedly HRC was on the “short list” for veep too, being “closely considered”, a “real possibility”.

    The only list she was actually on was the “sh*t list”.

    It’s all air kisses and fake hugs. “Who loves ya, baby”.

  80. At this point I dont think it matters.

    Morris was on today saying essentially what I was saying yesterday, namely that sos would give her a platform and a coalition and Morris is such a sick puppy he opposes it for that reason.

    Huckabee pointed out the other truth of this res gestae: you dont ask the same girl to a dance twice and refuse to dance with her. If you do you will seen to be a boob.

    Can you see how he has trapped himself? If he was not going to choose her he never should have called her to Chicago, never should have gone througth the vetting, never let his advisors make the noises he did.

    Never should have selected raul emanuel as his chief of staff. Never should have overlooked his own loyalists who fought by his side in the campaign. Never.

    Never should have let his vp selection process stagger and sway forward like a drunk looking for a lamp post to lean against, only to settle on one of the most shop worn insiders in the business.

    Never should have refused to attend the world economic conference, which Hillary was wise enough to attend–so bush does not go unchaperoned.

    As you say Mrs. Smith: neva.

    But when you are an amateur playing in the big leagues, when you surround yourself with true belivers who have drunk the koolaid and are unwillng or unable to tell you what you need to hear for fear of repisals that is where you are.

    The curtain is about to go up on the stage and you are desperately trying to learn your lines.

  81. Look at this way:

    Biden wanted to be SOS more than VP.
    Kerry wants SOS as does Judas Richardson….

    so if Hillary gets it, she can do the finger to Kerry/Judas and while working well with Biden also state categorically who is the better PERSON for the foreign relations and leave it that….

  82. wbboei Says:
    November 18th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    Never should have refused to attend the world economic conference, which Hillary was wise enough to attend–so bush does not go unchaperoned.
    &&&&&&&&&

    I had no idea HRC attended. If Obama went, he probably would have asked his economic advisor(s), “Explain what she just said”.

  83. This shit with Big Dawg’s finances is nothing more than media generated hype. If there was a “there” there, HRC would have shut down the SOS offer on the spot.

  84. This shit with Big Dawg’s finances is nothing more than media generated hype. If there was a “there” there, HRC would have shut down the SOS offer on the spot.
    —————————————-
    Agreed. They are like Morris. They cannot get over the 1990s emotionally.

  85. Also, while I have mixed feelings about HRC taking the SOS position (great for us , probably not so great for her)…I will positively wet my pants knowing that Judas is reaching for his blood money and discovering his pants pocket has a hole in it. 🙂

  86. I asked a friend who is very attuned and was told she did attend. I will double check it since two of you have questioned it.

  87. They cannot get over the 1990s emotionally

    I know. It’s almost as if the media wants us to believe HRC and Big Dawg are idiots. She’d been planning a run for office for quite some time…who’s stupid enough to believe that they didn’t have all their cards in order BEFORE that occured?! Even if Bill thought he’s get a thrill from trying to get away with something (he’s like a kid in that respect)…Hill would have pulled the plug on him ASAP. He may like to live dangerously…but SHE doesn’t.

  88. Speculation and second guessing can be fun and adversly what the Obama handlers want from us just a month before he is to be given the keys to the back door of the the presently called The Whitehouse.I have yet to see or here that she has been asked or that he has even decided who his choice will be.Just like the timeouts in sports stall for time confuse the oposition change the game plan before they realize that they have been screwed by the fickle finger of fate. Namely Barack Hussein Obama in this case. The seeds have been sown folks and and the nation will prosper life will be simple .Everyone likes BANANAS.

    By ABM90 The righteous one as rgb44hrc proclaimed Have Fun.

  89. This shit with Big Dawg’s finances is nothing more than media generated hype. If there was a “there” there, HRC would have shut down the SOS offer on the spot.

    Exactly. And if Obama was worried about it, he never would’ve considered her, let alone offered it to her. Remember, Hillary never sought this out. It was Kerry and Judas who were lobbying and ass-kissing to try to get SoS. Hillary doesn’t beg. Period.

    BTW, I love the fact the Kool-Aid drinkers and Hillary haters are upset about this. You should see the vicious video of Christopher Hitchens posted on No Quarter. There’s no bigger Clinton hater on the planet.

  90. rickya Says:
    November 18th, 2008 at 6:09 am
    I think that Obama is playing chicken and the Clinton camp is just calling their bluff.
    ====================

    Lots of that, same as the VP soap opera.

    Also it’s a media smokescreen for other things that may be going on, such as other appointments, such as … ta-da … restoring the Clintons’ excellent Larry Summers as Treasury Sec.

  91. wbboei said: Given all that why do you think she is interested the sos position in lieu of staying in the senate? She can serve the country in either capacity. Does she fail to see what we see? Does she weigh the equities differently than we do, i.e. duty etc? Or does she see more than we see?
    ==================

    I think I already posted about that. Maybe she’s weighing the odds of helping her domestic agenda against the odds of being the only person who could prevent WWIII. BAd news either way. Luckily above my pay grade.

    Down the hatch!

  92. OBAMAPOCRASY:

    After tearing down her foreign policy chops, ridiculing her experience, he now is “seriously vetting her”? This post from NQ from 2 days ago is quite good:

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/16/so-does-she-have-foreign-policy-experience-or-not/

    Here’s cut / paste:

    &&&&&&&&&

    So, does she have foreign policy experience, or not?
    ——————————————————————

    The latest hubbub in the media is the discussion about Hillary and whether Obama will name her as Secretary of State. I haven’t decided if I like the idea or not, although it would be great to have her in such an important roll. If she is SoS, it pretty much confirms she will not run in 4 years, although I am not sure if she would, anyway.

    But, what I am wondering, is WHY Obama is considering her for Secretary of State. Obama spent the primary season telling us over and over again that Hillary does not have foreign policy experience. So, why would he consider her for a role that is all about foreign policy?

    “I hope people start asking, what exactly is this foreign experience that she’s claiming? I know she talks about visiting 80 countries. However it’s not clear…was she negotiating treaties or agreements, or was she handling crises during this period of time?” Obama asked.

    So, is Obama just leaking this story, to pretend he is considering her, or is he seriously considering her? And if he is seriously considering Hillary, then why? Why would he put someone in that position that did nothing more than throw tea parties?

    “It’s that experience, that understanding, not just of what world leaders I went and talked to in the ambassador’s house I had tea with, but understanding the lives of the people like my grandmother who lives in a tiny hut in Africa,” he said.

    “When Senator Clinton brags ‘I’ve met leaders from eighty countries’ — I know what those trips are like! I’ve been on them. You go from the airport to the embassy. There’s a group of children who do native dance. You meet with the CIA station chief and the embassy and they give you a briefing. You go take a tour of a plant that [with] the assistance of USAID has started something. And then — you go.”

    Obama also claimed to have far more foreign policy experience than Clinton or McCain, because he lived in Indonesia when he was 6-10 years old, and vacationed for three weeks in Pakistan when he was in college.

    “You do that in eighty countries,” Obama said, “You don’t know those eighty countries. So when I speak about having lived in Indonesia for four years, having family that is impoverished in small villages in Africa –knowing the leaders is not important — what I know is the people…I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college — I knew what Sunni and Shia was [sic] before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.”

    Obama even went so far as to have his team draft a memo, slamming Hillary on her foreign policy. His strongest punch was her support of the Iraq war. (although, it doesn’t seem to bother him that Biden did, too.)

    The memo, “Senator Clinton’s claim to be experienced in foreign policy: Just words?” hits Hillary on every claim she makes to have foreign policy experience. You can read the entire memo here.

    The memo finishes, “And Barack Obama does not use false charges and exaggerated claims to play politics with national security.”

    So, I ask, why would he choose Hillary as SoS and take such *risks* with national security?

    Is he seriously considering naming Hillary, the former First Lady, who just poured tea and watched a few native dances, as Secretary of State?

    “Supporters of rival Barack Obama argued that the former first lady’s trips abroad hardly constituted a practice run for managing global crises.”She was never asked to do the heavy lifting” when meeting with foreign leaders, said Susan Rice, who was an assistant secretary of state in the Clinton administration and is now advising Obama. “She wasn’t asked to move the mountain or deliver a harsh message or a veiled threat. It was all gentle prodding or constructive reinforcement. And it would not have been appropriate for her to do the heavy lifting.”

    Is this possibly his *worst hire yet* or did he not really mean anything he said about her during the primary?

    She either has foreign policy experience or she doesn’t. So, which is it?

    (for the record, I think she is very qualified for the job. It is Obama who apparently doesn’t think she is qualified…at least he didn’t a couple of months ago.)

  93. Wobboei:

    Given all that why do you think she is interested the sos position in lieu of staying in the senate? She can serve the country in either capacity. Does she fail to see what we see? Does she weigh the equities differently than we do, i.e. duty etc? Or does she see more than we see?

    I do not profess to know. But it may be worth thinking about.

    *****
    Obambi wants to dig into Bill’s library/finances to add them to his list of donors.

    No doubt BO will work very hard getting “dirt” on everyone, so he can to steer them away from the Clintons.

    Hillary needs to up her game BIG TIME and play smarter and sharper than she ever has before in her entire life. Here’s what I have resolved after getting to know so many people during this campaign.

    People, men and women alike, are divided into two classes. Predator and Prey. The “real” deals are never interested in being predators, because they can deliver. The “fakes”, who attempt to “fake it till they make it” are the users who throw people under the bus when they get what they want and where they want to go.

    This election cycle has been a real eyeopener for me and a huge learning experience ..

  94. meiyingsu Says:

    November 18th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
    from foxnews,

    Breaking News >> Report: Obama to Pick Eric Holder as Attorney General
    &&&&&&&&&&&77

    Obviously, he must be the MOST QUALIFIED candidate.

    Who the f*** is Eric Holder??

  95. Eric holder is an AA..
    He was deputy Attorney general in 1999..and served as acting attorney general in 2001 under bush while waiting for ashcroft to be nominated…

  96. Kennedy Names Clinton to a Role on Health-Care Plan

    By Larry Liebert

    Nov. 18 (Bloomberg) — Senator Edward Kennedy named fellow Democrat Hillary Clinton to lead a working group on insurance coverage in the effort to write health-care legislation.

    Kennedy, chairman of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, said in an e-mailed statement today that Clinton will head one of three groups developing ideas for health system changes. Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa will lead a group on prevention and public health, and Senator Barbara Mikulski of Maryland will work on improvements in medical quality.

    President-elect Barack Obama has proposed expanding government health programs, giving subsidies to low-income families and requiring that insurers cover everyone, regardless of their medical condition. Kennedy, who is being treated for brain cancer, has been overseeing meetings among his staff and interest groups to develop legislation that Congress could act on next year.

    “Our committee is fortunate to have the services of major leaders who are committed to improving health care for the American people,” Kennedy said in the statement. “I look forward very much to working with them.”

    Clinton, a senator from New York, led an unsuccessful attempt to win passage of health-care legislation in 1993 and 1994 when her husband was president. She made the issue a centerpiece of her campaign against Obama in this year’s Democratic presidential primaries. Still, Clinton’s role in Kennedy’s effort may be short-lived if Obama nominates her as secretary of state, a possibility reportedly under consideration.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aQE7F77qjga0&refer=home

  97. mp Says:

    November 18th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
    so where is obama going to get his big latino appointee…who will it be????
    &&&&&&&&

    Ricky Martin, Secretary of Salsa.

    Bill Richardson, Secretary of Fast Foods.

  98. Kennedy Names Clinton to a Role on Health-Care Plan

    HUH?! How the hell can she do THAT and SOS?! Or am I not seeing the big bait and switch before my very eyes?!

    God I hate Oliar!

  99. Breaking News: Obama and Kennedy appoint Hillary to be crossing guard in DC.

    Obama: “We wanted someone with experience in Children’s issues”

    Kennedy: “She’ll be saving lives every day”.

    Hillary: ” (Sigh); I hate those guys”.

  100. Meh, politico.com is nothing but a tabloid at this point. Their site-traffic ratings have plummeted since election day, which is bad for advertising, so they’ve been trying to drum up pseudo-drama about Obama and Hillary again.

  101. although I like this part from the Politico article:

    … the speculation about Clinton’s frame of mind in the last few days has been off-base, sources say, because she’s played her cards close to the vest, consulting only her husband and two or three kitchen cabinet advisers.

    “We’ve gotten rid of all the other idiots,” joked one Clinton confidant, referring to the Clinton campaign’s propensity to leak.

    *********
    Patti Solis Doyle – has got to be #1 idiot.

  102. me thinks that kennedy came up for this new role in health area for Hillary because he wnats kerry to be sos….after first rejecting anything for her, he decided to dangle this one….just to nip in the SoS…

    I betcha you that BO and kennedy are at odds on the SoS situation!!!!

  103. Idunn Says:
    November 18th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
    Obama to Pick Eric Holder as Attorney General

    WTF?! Are we gonna have the 3rd Clinton Administration or what?!

    ===================

    Dare we HOPE!!!!

  104. From Idunn’s link at 4:16:

    &&
    Press reports that portray Clinton as willing to accept the job – once the Obama transition team vets Bill Clinton’s philanthropic and business ventures – are inaccurate, one Clinton insider told Politico.

    “A lot of the speculation and reporting is out ahead of the facts here,” said the person, who requested anonymity. “She is still weighing this, independent of President Clinton’s work.”

    Clinton, the person said, remains deeply “torn” between the possibility of serving in Obama’s cabinet and remaining in the Senate to “help pass health care and work on a broad range of domestic issues.”

    &&&
    Hillary is deeply “torn” between the possibility of
    a) serving in Obama’s cabinet: “going through the gates of Hell and setting up shop with Satan”
    b) or remaining in the Senate… “saving my last shred of dignity”

  105. Berkeley Vox Says:

    November 18th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
    Meh, politico.com is nothing but a tabloid at this point. Their site-traffic ratings have plummeted since election day, which is bad for advertising, so they’ve been trying to drum up pseudo-drama about Obama and Hillary again.
    &&&&&&&&&

    That goes for MSM and all the rest of the Obamahacks. Now is the time to go into the commemorative crap business.

  106. Distinguish levels:

    1. What the media wants to talk about, ie the Clintons.

    2. What Obama and the Clintns want the media to talk about — maybe the Clintons.

    3. What Obama and the Clintons really want to happen with the actual cabinet for the next few years.

    Re 2, either of them could put a stop to this gossip if they really wanted to. So maybe they each, for different reasons, want the gossip to go on. (Or maybe Obama is caught in the game of chicken and can’t get out easily.)

    Imo Obama wanted good publicity and to please some HIllary supporters, so he dangled the story. (Also if she took the bait, she would be out of the Senate etc). However with her playing chicken well and a lot of international support, he may not be able to undangle the bait, some big fish may be dragging him into the water.)

    In any case the media gossip functions as a smokescreen for other things, like restoring the excellent Clinton 90s Treasury guy what’s his name. I’m sure Bill and HIllary would never want to keep up a smokescreen cover for him (or other good old Clntonistas), now would they….

    Btw, to those who worry about Hillary staying in the Senate among backstabbiing senators — you’d rather see those backstabbers grilling her during her confirmation hearing for SOS?

  107. Just for the record: For someone upthread who had a problem with “junior senator”. Every state has a senior and junior senator depending on who got there first. Kerry will forever be the junior senator as long as Edward Kennedy is the senior senator.

    It isn’t the same as “freshman senator”. That’s a newbie.

    After a term or two, “junior senator” becomes irrelevant and many become very relevant and very influential. Hillary would be one of those. Many will look to her for her opinion. And yes, Obama would like to divert her.

  108. on drudge – though I thought Hillary was one of the founders of CAP too; does not mention her. excerpt:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aF7fB1PF0NPg

    Soros-Funded Democratic Idea Factory Becomes Obama Policy Font

    By Edwin Chen

    Thanks in part to funding from benefactors such as billionaire George Soros, the Center for American Progress has become in just five years an intellectual wellspring for Democratic policy proposals, including many that are shaping the agenda of the new Obama administration.

    Much as the Heritage Foundation provided intellectual heft for the Republican Party in the 1980s, CAP has been an incubator for liberal thought and helped build the platform that triumphed in the 2008 campaign.

    “What CAP has done is recapture the role of ideas as an important political force, something the Republicans had been better at for 25 years,” said Walter Isaacson, president of the Aspen Institute, a non-partisan policy-research organization in Washington.

    CAP’s president and founder, John Podesta, 59, former chief of staff to President Bill Clinton, is one of three people running the transition team for president-elect Barack Obama, 47. A squadron of CAP experts is working with them.

  109. rgb44hrc

    Eric Holder:

    Bill’s asst AG, toward end of his term held in high esteem, was with him all day on the final day, and was the AG Officer who signed off on Marc Rich pardon on BC’s last day in office, born in Jamaica (?), married to a first class OB-GYN, graduated Columbia, was in public service for 20 years until end of service to Clintons in 2001 when he got his first private sector job, headed BO’s VP vett team of he himself, Caroline Kennedy and Johnson. Has been friends with BO for a decade and friends with the Clintons for almost three decades.

  110. Idunn Says:

    November 18th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
    And then we have this little gem from Politico:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15738.html

    (Confuse me?)
    —————————————-

    I believe this is a false story planted by obama supporters in an effort to get him off the hook. Politico has allowed itself to be used in this manner in the past and they are up to their old tricks. They say they are talking to Clinton advisors. Who specifically? Oh they dont tell us. That is a surprise. Do you see a pattern here? Experience has shown that this shop has been ready willing and able to invent false stories to influence the narrative. We have got to get wise to these guys. They deal in lies.

  111. There also was a Politico story Monday that claimed Obama’s people were exasperated that the Clintons weren’t cooperating enough, and the BO camp strongly denied it. I’d take anything they write with a grain of salt.

  112. Hillary, Plan B?
    November 19, 2008 11:12 AM

    From our Chief Capitol Hill reporter Jonathan Karl:

    Just in case Hillary Clinton is NOT to be the next Secretary of State…

    …Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid is working on ways to increase Mrs. Clinton’s power and stature in the US Senate. He began discussing various options with Senator Clinton “about a week ago,” according to a senior Democratic leadership aide.

    They are discussing two options: 1) Crafting a new leadership post that would give Senator Clinton a prominent policy role; and, 2) Giving Senator Clinton an additional plum committee assignment.

    Currently, Senator Clinton is, of course, a relatively junior Senator and, as such, has little formal power in an institution that is largely run by seniority. Her biggest formal title is chair of an environmental subcommittee. She made a move a couple weeks ago to become chair of a health care policy subcommittee which would/could have taken the lead on health care, but Ted Kennedy blocked the move (he’ll be the lead on that, thank you very much). Senator Kennedy, however, yesterday announced that Senator Clinton will be one of three Senators with a key role in helping him craft health care legislation.

    None of this is to suggest she is not going to be Secretary of State, but it is an indication that she is keeping other options open.

    Also: Regarding the Secretary of State post, a key Democratic Senator who is close to Obama told me yesterday, rather emphatically, “It’s not a done deal, I can tell you that.”

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