Barack Obama Resigns

Having done absolutely nothing in the U.S. Senate ever, not having served even 1 full term in the U.S. Senate, never even bothering to convene a meeting of the subcommittee he chairs – Barack Obama will resign this Sunday from the U.S. Senate.

Once again, as his history shows over and over and over again, Obama will flick off the burden of responsibility in order to advance himself, yet again.

The historical record, which we look to for guidance, demonstrates that Obama himself said he was a believer in knowing what you are doing when applying for a job. Obama also said, he would not run for President because “I would essentially have to start now before having served a day in the Senate.”

So, having served not one day in the U.S. Senate, Obama started running for President. And now, Obama is again running out on responsibility and his constitutents.

Is there work to do in the U.S. Senate? Yes. As a matter of fact there is a lot of work to be done this month and next month in the U.S. Senate. But Obama does not care. Obama got what he wanted. So once again, Obama will screw his constituents. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will open a lame-duck session of the U.S. Senate this very Monday – so Obama will dump his responsibilities on Sunday.

Is there work to do in the U.S. Senate? Yes. Emphatically Yes.

The prospects of a government rescue for the foundering American automakers dwindled Thursday as Democratic Congressional leaders conceded that they would face potentially insurmountable Republican opposition during a lame-duck session next week.

At the same time, hope among many Democrats on Capitol Hill for an aggressive economic stimulus measure all but evaporated. Democratic leaders have been calling for a package that would include help for the auto companies as well as new spending on public works projects, an extension of jobless benefits, increased food stamps and aid to states for rising Medicaid expenses.

But while Democrats said the stimulus measure would wait until President-elect Barack Obama takes office in January, some industry experts fear that one of the Big Three automakers will collapse before then, with potentially devastating consequences.

Obama claims to support the bailout of automakers as well as new spending on public works projects, an extension of jobless benefits, increased food stamps and aid to states for rising Medicaid expenses. But an Obama claim of support is worthless… Obama can’t be trusted. Obama this time is not even bothering to vote “present“. Obama will this time vote “MIA“.

Passing any legislation to aid the auto companies would require 60 votes in the Senate. Democrats now control 51 of those votes, but Mr. Obama has said he will resign his Senate seat on Sunday, and Vice President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. is not expected to attend the lame duck session, meaning Democrats would need the support of at least 11 Republicans.

Hopium eaters will denounce us as being unfair. Their Caligula has work to do they will argue. But Obama’s absence is rather extraordinary.

Obama’s Senate resignation is, by far, the earliest resignation by an incoming President or Vice-President, looking back to 1920. (And with the March inauguration dates then and earlier, it’s unlikely we missed any earlier November resignations.).

It’s the only November resignation, and, in fact, there have been only three other pre-Christmas resignations, Bush on Dec. 21, 2000, Clinton on Dec. 12, 1992, and Kennedy, the previous earliest Senate resignation, on Dec. 22, 1960.

Update: Biden probably won’t resign his seat until after the new Senate takes office in early January, as he was also elected to a new Senate term.

Here’s the full list of Senate, House and Governor resignation dates of all President and Vice-President-elects back to 1920.

Senate Resignation Dates:
Gore, January 2, 1993
Quayle, January 3, 1989
Mondale, December 30, 1976
Humphrey, December 30, 1964
Johnson, January 3, 1961 (Johnson was also elected to a new Senate term in 1960).
Kennedy, December 22, 1960
Nixon, January 1, 1953
Barkley, January 19, 1949
Truman, January 17, 1945
Curtis, March 4, 1929 (Presidential Inauguration Day)
Harding, March 4, 1921 (Presidential Inauguration Day)

House Resignation Dates:
Garner, term ended March 4, 1933 (Presidential Inauguration Day)

Governor Resignation Dates:
Bush, December 21, 2000
Clinton, December 12, 1992
Agnew, January 7, 1969
Roosevelt’s term ended December 31, 1932.
Coolidge’s term ended January 6, 1921. (VP-elect).

In fairness, we will concede to the Hopium eaters that Obama did do two things in the U.S. Senate. Obama managed to acquire two rather nice houses. The first one was acquired with financing assistance from Obama’s slumlord friend and convicted felon, Antoin “Tony” Rezko.

A former Illinois real estate specialist says FBI agents have questioned him about a Chicago property that had been bought by convicted felon Tony Rezko’s wife and later sold to the couple’s next-door neighbor, Sen. Barack Obama.

The real estate specialist, Kenneth J. Conner, said bank officials replaced an appraisal review he prepared on the property and FBI agents were investigating in late 2007 whether the Rezko-Obama deal was proper.

“Agents and I talked about payoff, bribe, kickback for a long time, though it took them only a short number of minutes of talking with me while looking at the appraisal to acknowledge what they already seemed to know: The Rezko lot was grossly overvalued,” Mr. Conner told The Washington Times Monday.

“Rezko paid the asking price on the same day Obama paid $300,000 less than the asking price to the same seller for his adjacent mansion,” he said. “This begs the question of payoff, bribe, kickback.” [snip]

The complaint also said the grand jury wanted information on Mrs. Rezko’s checking account and loan file and whether the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC) had audited the Rezko file.

It said Mutual Bank officials could be guilty of making false statements, willfully overvaluing property, bank fraud, witness retaliation, willful violation of a lawful subpoena, FDIC violations, and state banking regulations.

The second Obama “accomplishment” was the acquisition of a beautiful white house in Washington, D.C.

To acquire that beautiful white house, Obama got the assistance, not of Rezko, but of Dean/Brazile/Pelosi/Kennedy. Obama then bamboozled desperate Americans to acquire that beautiful white house, but Obama is not qualified, nor experienced enough to occupy that beautiful white house.

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146 thoughts on “Barack Obama Resigns

  1. hahaha! Good one adm-

    Yes, we can wait until Barry has a substantial, respectable resume for the COC job..

    meanwhile, Hill can Fill in for him until they take the training wheels off his Senate seat!

  2. someone in foxnews said if Hillary takes SOS, then Caroline Kennedy is appointed to be senator from New York. it will not be good for Hillary in 2016. Does that mean caroline is going to run for CIC in 2016?

  3. This is a very sad set of circumstances. He must be the most unqualified person (s)elected for the presidency of the U.S.

    I think, the early resignation might be a way to give the person who is replacing Bo, more seniority than the incoming new group of senators. Plus, he doesn’t want to take a stand on anything.

    Obama is not qualified, nor experienced enough to occupy that beautiful white house.

  4. meiyingsu Says:

    November 15th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
    someone in foxnews said if Hillary takes SOS, then Caroline Kennedy is appointed to be senator from New York. it will not be good for Hillary in 2016. Does that mean caroline is going to run for CIC in 2016?

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    Wouldn’t surprise me at all. Kennedy has been scheming for years. The SOS might be a way to take Senator Clinton out.

  5. All anyone can do is live in the present. We don’t know if our sovereignty and Constitution will even exist after Obama is Inaugurated. Wherever Hillary is 8 yrs from now, she can make up her mind at that time. For now, if the position of SOS has been offered to Hillary, imo… she should take it. The SOS is one of if not the highest and most powerful cabinet position in government.

    Hillary has done more in her 2 terms in the Senate, than many who have been there for years just taking up space. She can walk away with a Senate full of legislation she has had her hand in and never regret she didn’t do enough. I really don’t care if she ever runs again. Hillary has accomplished what she set out to do…she has proven a woman can win… because she did.

  6. CITIZEN OBAMA:

    Admin:

    Interesting angle, and nice research.

    What source(s) did you use? Or did you just do it from memory?

    I suppose the angle that Hopium users will take is that Obama has more important fish to fry than his Senate responsibilities…but as you pointed out, nobody has been in such a rush to ditch their responsibilities as this clown.

    I bet if we were in on the BIG UGLY SECRETS, Obama is getting advice from his attournies to get out from his Senate seat ASAP, as he’s might have to be make statements about his birth certificate and nationalities in response to upcoming potential court challenges.

  7. someone in foxnews said if Hillary takes SOS, then Caroline Kennedy is appointed to be senator from New York. it will not be good for Hillary in 2016. Does that mean caroline is going to run for CIC in 2016?
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    where do they find people stupid enough to dream up this nonsense. BTW caroline kennedy is an airhead. Chip off the old uncle teddie. . .

    Oh bury me not
    On the lone praire
    Oh bury me please
    Next to Ko-peck-nee

    In the river deep
    Cha-o-quiddic see
    Where I left to die
    Young Miss Ko-peck-nee

    I do not expect an invitation to the wake.

  8. rgb44hrc, we always cite the sources we use by utilizing hyperlinks. [For those that have not noticed, -the light purple lettering in our articles are links which take the reader to the facts we cite.]

    As to Obama having bigger fish to fry, such as transition, we cited other officials who had big challenges as well who at least tried to pretend to do their jobs. The Hopium Eaters think history begins with Obama – that the country has never had challenges or difficult times. The Hopium Eaters make excuses for Obama that presume Obama and 2008 are exceptional and exceptions to history.

    BTW, There is another reason for Obama to get out of the Senate very quickly which we did not mention and it relates to Rezko. As you will recall, the ACU filed an ethics complaint against Obama. The complaint cited the Ted Stevens case to highlight the fact that the Rezko financial assistance to Obama should be considered a gift and therefore a violation of Senate rules at the very least.

    With Obama it is always an attempt to stay one step ahead of the law.

  9. One more point. If Ted Stevens wins his senate race the Democrats will probably move to expel Stevens from the Senate.

    At that point we will be watching to see if Ted Stevens brings up Rezko’s gifts to Obama as part of the Stevens defense.

  10. Admin: you are right on both points. Obama wants to avoid ethics charges which could very well be initiated if he is still a member of congress. So he can outrun the law on that one. But if Stevens wins his election and the ethics committee may well bring charges and in that case part of his defense will indeed be the Rezko gifts. In that case Obama may not be able to outrun the politics. But the hopium eaters will continue to behave like the three little monkeys–hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil re Obama. Non-delusionals however may have a somewhat different reaction.

  11. The Kennedy who deserves a seat in the senate is not Caroline Kennedy. It is RFK Jr. He is a smart guy, forward looking thinker and a man of integrity. He is more like his father or uncle John. Teddy and Caroline are more like Joseph Kennedy Sr. who was Ambassador to England and as the book Blood and Power makes clear the biggest mafiosi of them all. In fact, FDR called him “the most evil man I ever met”. That book was meticulously researched and written by a scholar in residence at Brown University.

  12. Seems like Obama has been doing alot of resigning lately. He resigned from the Illionois Bar Association at or near the time that people were starting to ask why he indicated he had no aliases when his other name was Barry Soeteron, Soreto and other spellings.

  13. Watching the Godfather 2 tonight and one line struck me. Hyman Roth said to Michael, “We are one small step away from finding a man who wants to be President of the United States and having the money to make it possible”

  14. As I said in the previous post, I don’t assume that Obama will get re-elected. 4 years from now, who knows where we’ll be? But my guess is that right now, before any major screw-ups, his re-election chances are around 40%, if that.

    For one thing, there is a great deal of anger in the electorate and he will have to turn it around or they will “throw the bums (incumbents) out” again.

  15. i cannot live the next 4 years pissing and moaning over what could have been. hillary clinton is what this country needs. she is what this world needs. right now. today. the implosion of BHO may or may not happen. i only know that wishing for his failure also means i am wishing for this country’s failure.

    i may find a BHO presidency repulsive, but this is still my country. may hillary clinton be selected as SoS and allow the united states to shine once again.

  16. Hillary for State: The Big Sticking Point
    November 16, 2008 8:27 AM

    All my reporting tells me that Barack Obama wants Hillary Clinton to be his Secretary of State, and that Clinton wants the job too.

    But there’s one significant complication: how to make sure that former President Clinton’s foreign speeches, business dealings and foundation work don’t present conflicts of interest.

    This is not completely new territory for the Clinton team. They would have had to take steps to review, and possibly disclose, foreign contributions to the Clinton Foundation had Senator Clinton won the nomination and the White House.

    Clinton’s team began thinking about how to do this during the primaries. That work has intensified since Senator Clinton’s meeting with Obama on Thursday.

    Here are some of the major questions that need to be addressed: How much public disclosure must there be of past foreign donations to the foundation?

    Is any more disclosure of foreign business and speaking income required? Are there other ways — short of or in addition to full disclosure — to vet for possible conflicts?

    Going forward, would the Clinton Foundation be permitted to continue soliciting foreign support? If so, under what conditions?

    How would the contributions be reviewed and vetted?

    All of these questions can be answered, but getting there is complicated. It’s not done yet.

    More on This Week’s Roundtable…

    –George Stephanopoulos

  17. Now, really, would the President Select want another ‘woman’ to contend with and compete against should Caroline become the NY Senator in 2012 or 2016 ? But,Uncle Teddy and Caroline might have this within their sights and may push this on the President Select. I don’t think so. And I KNOW that MO would not want another woman, even Caroline, to be in a position that might take the shine off her new status as First Woman.
    The way I see it, anyway in the world to GET RID of Hill and Bill, or at least to make them irrelevant for the future. I also have strongly considered it as another of the ‘bait and switch’ that the President Select has done in the past – remember how long it took us to find out that our girl was not EVEN vetted for VP?

  18. I was just watching news in review and saw what Michelle Obama wore when meeting Bush, wow, she is in a serious need for a wake up call!

  19. We know far too much about the backrrom machinations to be satisfied with conventional explanations.

    Morris the other day said Hillary was the establishment candidate and Obama was not. Given the valence of the DNC the Kennedy cabal et that is clearly a lie.

    They say Bambi won a landslide. They forget that Hillary beat him in the primary by the popular vote–depite his 4-1 spending advantage and the greates media bias reminiscent of Goebbels.

    Then she beat him in the general election by 4 points even though she was not a candidate and was campaigning for him, based on the exit polling. They forget that too.

    That makes her a viable choice in 2012 if she retains her voice.

    I believe the wefare of the country and the welfare of Bambi are at cross purposes. Just remember those constituents freezing in a Chicago slum so he could get rich and Rezko can help him buy the mansion.

  20. Bambi wont tell the FEC who his foreign donors were but Bill must do so in order for Hillary to be eligible to end her political career by accepting the employment-at-will order taker positon of SOS. I say fine. That is a good place to leave it. Stepanolopous misread the politics, shot off his mouth and now is trying to retrench. There are alot better names out there than that bumbling bundle of dirty laundry Richardson. I can think of a career diplomat who would be brilliant. But as Bambi famously said that is above my pay grade. With Bambi the challenge will not be to solve the problem but first do no harm. Hillary needs to rebuild the coaliton in congress and that will never happen if she is sos. SOS=deadendsville

  21. wbboei,

    that bumbling bundle of dirty laundry Richardson”

    hehehehe; you’re really turning some phrases today!

    “They say Bambi won a landslide. They forget that Hillary beat him in the primary by the popular vote–depite his 4-1 spending advantage and the greates media bias reminiscent of Goebbels.
    Then she beat him in the general election by 4 points even though she was not a candidate and was campaigning for him, based on the exit polling. They forget that too.
    That makes her a viable choice in 2012 if she retains her voice. ”

    Terrific recap. Ok, let me get your thoughts on this, assuming for a minute Hill still has eyes on the big prize and everything we’ve seen since she endorsed hasn’t been some kind of act.
    The way I viewed it, it’s not just BO that’d have to fail but the entire cabal, which has control of the entire government from Speaker to Senate majority leader – and needless to say a cooperative media.

    So what does this supposed failure look like in 2012? Are you of the belief that they won’t be able to turn around the disasterous Bush domestic/economic policies or the disasterous Bush foreign policies –
    and what makes you think even if they didn’t that the media would tell the public? Just wondering….

  22. Hillary is too smart to step on the booby trap that the new Commander in Thief and Axlerod have set for her.The SOS
    a means of control and casting her aside when he wants her out of the political picture. He will be out of the picture sooner than we may hope.His ego is speeding deeper into the self destruct
    mode.He can’t make anything out of nothing with his obsession with power and control a la Orwell .Just sit back and watch this wonderful woman at work in the senate and her rise as a force that stabilize and repair the damage that BHO and the Chicago
    thugs have inflicted on our country and spreading throughout the world.’Load His Wagon Hillary and don’t worry about the MULE”

    By ABM90

  23. It takes 20 years to be recognized as a Sr Senator. She’ll only be 80yrs old….wonderful! Let Hillary be Hillary! I’m sick of hearing people say “stay in the Senate, Hillary”. Hillary has been presented with the opportunity to spread her wings without being hampered by colleague spats under the direction of Nancy Pelosi.

    The only person Hillary has to answer to is BO.. She has Bill as her co-pilot and she’s off!

  24. I haven’t been following the Hillary as SOS issue as closely as all of you but here are my un-astute thoughts based on what I have read around the internet:

    I agree with those saying she will have to give up everything she has worked for (and earned) politically to take this position. Additionally, from the moment she accepts she can potentially be replaced and lose every bit of power she has. I’m not a politician but it sure seems like a risk…

    If she does accept SOS does that mean we have been wrong about Hillary and what she believes in?? Does she feel that it’s fine to support Obama and his foreign policy ideas simply because he is a Democrat? Were all those concerns she raised about him during the campaign just politics? This is what is confusing me lately…I have always felt that Hillary was sincere in her repeated comments that she wants to remain in the senate. On one hand, while I know she would be a historic SOS I will be disappointed if she leaves the senate. If she remains there she will be in a powerful position to be an advocate (and also to warn about potentially harmful plans of Obama). As SOS of state it appears to me that while one gets prestige, you don’t have as much power. It’s the president that calls the shots.

    If she decides to stay in the senate perhaps all the kissing up to Obama during the campaign was a concerted effort to build her respect with peers (many who drank the Obama Kool-Aid) so that in the future, when Obama brings forth plans that are controversial, she will be in an even more powerful position to argue against them. By campaigning she proved she is a loyal party member, but maybe she also increased her influence by doing it? Well, at least it’s something I’ve wondered about….

    Either way I will support Hillary and her decision. One thing for sure…I wouldn’t trust Obama, not for one moment. I don’t think the SOS offer has been floated without a motive…..

  25. Mrs. Smith says at 2:06pm:
    The only person Hillary has to answer to is BO…

    Exactly WHY I personally do not want to see her take the position of SOS under the President Select – under any OTHER President this would be a plum position, but not under the fraud!
    And as Big Pink has said over and over….Obama can not be trusted. He can not be trusted here. He can not be trusted there. He can not be trusted anywhere. I do not trust Obama with Hillary’s future. Period.

  26. Cross examination by Blue Dem

    Q: Are you of the belief that they won’t be able to turn around the disasterous Bush domestic/economic policies?

    A: Yes, I am. Furthermore bambis tax policies and spending programs will exacerbate the problem. More important than what I think however many economists think so too.
    The mortage crisis will be succeeded by a consumer crisis. Major companies are failing.ersonal bankruptcies are rising.

    When these forces reach critical mass they will register: pain. Pain is a great motivator. It makes people change. The question will then become who is responsible. Each side will accuse the other but the anwer will be whoever is in power at the time. That will be bambi and the congressional dems.

    Q: Are you of the belief that they won’t be able to turn around the disasterous the disasterous Bush foreign policies –

    A: Yes. On the foreign front the American Empire which rose after World War II is disintegrating before our eyes. Much like the British Empire did. But when the British Empire died, their financial empire continued. That will not be true here. Within a decade the world financial center will move from New York to London.

    We are seeing today is what one writer described as the clash of civilizations and the remaking of the world order. I fully believe that. And that means the risk of violent confrontations is high. And the potential severity of confrontations is even greater. At one time Oppenheimer described the United States and Russia as two scorpions in a bottle. Now we have many scorpions to contend with.

    Biden is seldom right but never in doubt. This time he is right. I think we will face some test of his candidacy. It will be the first of many to come. This will be a rough presidency. He may have his own Bay of Pigs. Our civil liberties will suffer.

    Again. Pain. Messiahs are supposed to alleviate pain. He wont.

    Q: what makes you think even if they didn’t that the media would tell the public?

    A:it is a lifetime exercise in futility for us to wage endless war against the media. They will continue to do what they do for business reasons which have nothing to do with truth honor and patriotism. They are well on the way to being a tool of government and that is not in the interests of the American People.

    Instead, we must focus on building a new media which adheres to the traditional standards which respect truth and protect the community. If we build a better product people will come.

    Also, we must be vigilant about government proposals to regulate and commericalize the internet. Young people I know are worried about that. We need to push net neutrality legislation.

    But on the assumption that none of this is doable within four short years, we must also seek entre with foreign journalists who are not subject to the tyranny of the new Administration.

    Finally, we need to build a game of our own based on the Dean model.

    blue: Justice Holmes had a cynical view of the political class. He believed that politicans had little control over the course of economic events and the more they tried to fiddle with it the worse it would get. He went on to compare politicans to the sweepers who come in after the circus has passed by to clean up the elephant turds and spray lavender at anything that moves.

    Of course he never lived to see the rise of the prophet John Maynard Keynes, much less his latter day disciple good old Mr. Irrational Exuberance and yeees I did marry a malignant dwarf (thank you for that one basil–how is the rifle working out?) but when you look like I do what choice do you have– Sad Allen. A dollar in 1965 is worth $8 today and thank you for growing the money supply but hold unto your hats kiddies you aint seen nothing yet. If only you stuck to your earlier career as a musican bad music is much easier to recover from . . . Allan.

  27. let them try to put Caroline Kennedy up for Senator in NY…if she sucks, New Yorkers won’t have it…they won’t give a damn what her family name or icon status is.

    I suspect that the Clintons agreed to campaign for BO because they wanted their staff back in the White House. And now that’s happening. That means the WH Staff owes the Clintons big time. That is good. I know that BO may be someone’s puppet…in the end, I hope it’s the Clintons’.

  28. Either way I will support Hillary and her decision. One thing for sure…I wouldn’t trust Obama, not for one moment. I don’t think the SOS offer has been floated without a motive…..
    —————————————–
    American Gal: in the 1950s there was a common term in the corporate world which has since fallen into disuse. You may not have heard of it. It is called “getting kicked upstairs”. What it meant is if some executive was in the way and the powers that be did not feel they could fire them they would promote them into some irrelevant position. Secetary of State in a Bambi Adminisration would be just such a positon. She would lose her voice.

  29. alcina said: wishing for /BO’s/ failure also means i am wishing for this country’s failure.
    ================

    Luckily that’s not quite the choice we have.

    Iirc Nixon didn’nt do a bad job for the country, his “failure” came from doing too many political dirty tricks and making enemies. BO’s might come from that, or from illegal things he’s done in the past.

    I’m very encouraged that BO is trying to appoint a lot of good Clinton 90s people who might succeed in doing a good job. “Clinton Restoration without the Clintons” … but with Bill at large and Hillary in the Senate, the Clintons ARE available at 3 am — and throughout the day their own old team, working as a team, will be getting guidance from them. Hopefully BO knows enough to strut around out of their way.

    However Hillary as SOS would lose her independent Senate voice and be out of action, a token mouthpiece at the UN and off with JJ Jr at SNL.

    Yes we need Hillary — in a place where she’s free to speak and lead, not as an employee serving “at the pleasure of the President.”

  30. wbboei siad: Instead, we must focus on building a new media which adheres to the traditional standards which respect truth and protect the community. If we build a better product people will come.
    ==========================

    We saw the beginnings of that quantified when Fox’s ratings went above the other Corporate Media’s. Though Fox seems to be reverting, or at least joining Clinton-bashing, now.

    And we’ve seen the blogs getting a lot of traffic and influlence. Unfortuantely the extremists on both sides got their blog stuff set up first, but we centrists can certianly do the same thing, when we get aruond to it.

  31. Couhtthevotes says: I suspect that the Clintons agreed to campaign for BO because they wanted their staff back in the White House. And now that’s happening.
    ===========================

    BINGO! That could explain the Clintons finally coming out strong for BO; maybe he made them a promise they trusted.

    One way BO could renege, is by his bots and other allies such as NARAL and NOW attacking old Clinton 90s people as individuals. That’s happening with the Clinton 90s Treasury Secretary Larry Summers and even some PUMAs are going along with the attack — disregarding the fact that it’s also an attack on the Clintons who hired and promoted Summers 1993-2000.

  32. However Hillary as SOS would lose her independent Senate voice and be out of action, a token mouthpiece at the UN and off with JJ Jr at SNL.

    Yes we need Hillary — in a place where she’s free to speak and lead, not as an employee serving “at the pleasure of the President.”
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    I agree and I will take it a step further. In my view big media and obama are trying to force hillary out of the senate, silence her voice, put in one of their cronies, and get access to bills donor list so they can blackmail them. That is what this is about. Silencing dissent. This is a continuation of the campaign. The New York Times article is already speculating who her replacement will be. Dont fall into the SOS trap. And dont believe that the Clintons lined up for bambi to get their people in there. It aint so. Bambi is a puppet for major investors around the world who want to control the new economy. Hillary would protect the people of this country, only large parts of the country fail to see it and prefer to follow the pied piper–because it makes them feel good.

  33. C. Why This Matters: we are deeply concerned about the future of the Democratic Party, our democracy and our nation. We believe that Obama and the dark forces behind him are a clear and present danger to our future. A voice from antiquity offers this warning to those who would listen: “Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the people have abdicated their duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out high civic office, military command, Roman legions-everything, now restrains itself and hopes for just two things: bread and circuses.” (Satire X by the Roman Poet Juvenal, 1st Century A.D.).

  34. wbboie, what is your take on why Hillary and Bill decided to campaign for Obama? I’ve always found that hard to understand…

  35. another clinton staffer on BO team – I remember there was some controversy about this guy during the primaries (does anyone recall? – maybe simply conflict of interest client/lawyer privilege – given all he knows about Clintons) – he was an early defector to BO campaign:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15663.html

    Craig, 63, is a partner at Williams & Connolly and a protégé of the late Edward Bennett Williams, the legendary Washington power lawyer. His selection adds to the surprisingly large number of Clinton White House veterans who are at the top of the Obama roster.

    Craig, who had been friends with Bill Clinton and Hillary Rodham at Yale Law School, was recruited for the impeachment job by John Podesta, then deputy White House chief of staff and now a leader of Obama’s transition.

  36. Does anyone else remember that Solis-Doyle might be offered the cabinet secretary job? What an uncomfortable situation, if Senator Clinton gets the SOS job. I would like to see her remain in the Senate, but it does appear that they are trying to get her out.

  37. turndownobama-com Says:
    November 16th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Couhtthevotes says: I suspect that the Clintons agreed to campaign for BO because they wanted their staff back in the White House. And now that’s happening.
    ===========================

    BINGO! That could explain the Clintons finally coming out strong for BO; maybe he made them a promise they trusted.
    *****
    turndownobama-com:

    I had heard that Bill Clinton on the trail for Bo would say that he trusted the team that BO would put in the White House (while not really saying much about BO’s abilities). I think that’s pretty telling of some sort of fore-knowledge that Big Dawg had.

  38. birdgal – I think that’s correct. Solis Doyle was offered Cabinet Secretary.

    I swear – politics is so nefarious – seems about as backstabbing and scandalous as the Borghese family.

  39. Rev Manning – still hitting the nail on the head – on bailout. I have a friend who worked at GM who said that some internally there are even saying, let it go down…unless all the top management are fired…they have made bad decision for GM for 20 years – why do they deserve a lifeline with a bailout to continue to fund bad management decisions…?

    contributors.blogsome.com/2008/11/16/did-he-just-make-sense/

  40. I had heard that Bill Clinton on the trail for Bo would say that he trusted the team that BO would put in the White House (while not really saying much about BO’s abilities). I think that’s pretty telling of some sort of fore-knowledge that Big Dawg had.
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    If that is true it is interesting.

  41. I do not think this is really about teams. I think it is about the leader and the crisis. Teams are merely a tool.

  42. On the other hand he my think he can go windsurfing on the north side of ohau and let his teams run the country. If that is what he thinks then he is in for a rude awakening. The local newspaper had a headline that bambi may need to turn off his blackberry. The other option he might consider is to turn it on for a change,

  43. I thought Quantum of Solace was a terrible Bond movie. Just my opinion.
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    messiahs dont wear well, even with all the visible distractions.

  44. Does anyone else remember that Solis-Doyle might be offered the cabinet secretary job?
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    secretary small s? or secretary of incompetence? or secretary of disloyalty to the country? what is the proposed billet for that paragidm of negative management ability called PSD?

  45. # wbboei Says:
    November 16th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    Does anyone else remember that Solis-Doyle might be offered the cabinet secretary job?
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    secretary small s? or secretary of incompetence? or secretary of disloyalty to the country? what is the proposed billet for that paragidm of negative management ability called PSD?
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    IIRC, Obama named her as the VP’s Chief of Staff before the VP was named.

  46. Former US president Bill Clinton said on Sunday that his wife Hillary will be a “great secretary of state” if president-elect Barack Obama named her to the post.

    “If he (Obama) decided to ask her and they did it together, I think she’ll be really great as a secretary of state,” Clinton told an economic conference in Kuwait hosted by the National Bank of Kuwait.

    “She worked very hard for his election after the primary fight with him, and so did I, and we were very glad that he won and we have a lot of confidence that he can do a good job.

    “But she didn’t do what she did with the hope or expectation of getting any kind of job offer, much less having this discussed,” Clinton said.

    US media reported on Friday that Obama was considering naming former first lady Hillary Clinton, his onetime rival for the White House, as his secretary of state.

    Hillary Clinton, 61, has extensive foreign policy experience from her time in the senate, where she serves on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and indirectly when her husband was president from 1993 to 2001.

    The former president said that he had a couple of phone conversations with his wife in the past two days but that he was unaware if the issue of her appointment was discussed between the Obama camp and Hillary.

    “The truth is I don’t know,” he said.

  47. wbboei siad: And dont believe that the Clintons lined up for bambi to get their people in there. It aint so. Bambi is a puppet for major investors around the world who want to control the new economy.
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    So why is BO looking at Clinton 90s Treasury people such as Summers and whosis?

  48. what really bothers me is why would ANY of the Clintonites be willing to work for this President – he should ask for the Reganites afterall he highly praised the 80’s and criticized the 90’s.

  49. wbboei siad: November 16th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
    turndown: I have an idea on this new media thing. Let me email it to you. Give me a day or so.
    ======================

    I assume you’re also watching dailypuma.com ? Though choir-oriented, it will help grow the choir — and the webmaster has got great technical resources and time and vision, bravo!

  50. wbboei Says:
    November 16th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
    Former US president Bill Clinton said on Sunday that his wife Hillary will be a “great secretary of state” if president-elect Barack Obama named her to the post.

    “If he (Obama) decided to ask her and they did it together, I think she’ll be really great as a secretary of state,” Clinton told an economic conference in Kuwait hosted by the National Bank of Kuwait.
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    What’s said in Kuwait should have stayed in Kuwait.

  51. I have reconsidered my prior opinion in light of Bill’s comments posted above.

    The question Hillary must consider is whether she can have an independent voice in the senate and be effective. My previous assumption was that she could.

    But if what I have been reading about in the press and heard on tv is true then bambi he will be dumping a shitload of bad legislation on the economy shortly after he takes office. If she stays in the senate, there will be pressure on her to support that legislation.

    The world is waiting for Obama with baited breath. Allies are deeply worried (contrary to what big media would have you believe) and enemies are ready to exploit his weakness. A dangerous experiment is what I am hearng through business associates abroad.

    If he appoints Hillary it will calm those troubled waters. It would be in the interests of this country for obama to listen to reason and appoint her to that position. It has bi-partisan support. Everyone in the wold respects Hillary Clintons competence.

    The alternatives are not sound. Kerry is too weak. Richardson is a pinata. Lugar is too old school. If he has any sense he will appoint her. If he does not he will live to regret it.

    Obama needs to take full account of who he is about to become. He is no longer in a position where he can make speeches against the Iraq War. He is on the firing line, must make sound decisions and will be held accountable fro the first time in his life.

    Oh he can turn off his blackberry alright if wants but that wont make the problems go away. It is like the child who covers his own eyes thinking people will not see him. This is part of the burden of being president and a hopium peddler. It comes with the territory.

  52. As we all knew all along, Obama is new to the scene, and doesn’t have a Rolodex of friends and allies. Now that he needs to build his team, where is the logical place to turn? To the Clinton team of the 1990’s, which was star-studded and eminently capable. These are all smart moves: Hillary for SoS, Craig for White House counsel, Podesta, Emanuel, etc.

  53. Wouldn’t another logical reason Obama is choosing former Clinton administration people is simply the fact there aren’t any other white house experienced Democrats out there?? Those from the Carter administration are getting old…who else could he choose??

  54. AmericanGal Says:

    November 16th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
    Wouldn’t another logical reason Obama is choosing former Clinton administration people is simply the fact there aren’t any other white house experienced Democrats out there?? Those from the Carter administration are getting old…who else could he choose??

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    Exactly. Who else is he going to choose?

  55. “he should ask for the Reganites afterall he highly praised the 80’s and criticized the 90’s.”

    That’s right, he did, didn’t he? Until Sarah Palin exposed his socialism. Then Obama said he really meant he was going back to the ’90s. No, Barack, Bill Clinton’s policy was abled-bodied people had to work to get public assistance, that’s not socialist redistribution.

  56. There seem to be lots and lots of backstabber, disloyal, former “Clinton people”…Morris, Richardson, Sollis, and on and on.
    The name of the game is POWER. If it came to power for them or loyalty to the Clintons, whodo you think they would choose?

  57. Obama resigned???

    I thought he and his friends already resigned from the human race. Isn’t this what the election was about??? 😉

  58. A commenter at NO QUARTER (18:01) suggests that BO is actually deriving Godlike amusement by dangling plum jobs in front of possible candidates and is probably heartily enjoying the sight of distinguished people filling out the ridiculously long applications (a test he could, in no way, pass) and having them flying around the country at his beck and call.

    In short Obama is having a swell time watching the mortals jump through hoops at his divine pleasure.

  59. Berkeley Vox Says:
    November 16th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
    As we all knew all along, Obama is new to the scene, and doesn’t have a Rolodex of friends and allies. Now that he needs to build his team, where is the logical place to turn? To the Clinton team of the 1990’s, which was star-studded and eminently capable. These are all smart moves: Hillary for SoS, Craig for White House counsel, Podesta, Emanuel, etc.
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    And restoring Clinton’s Treasury Secretary Larry Summers would restore a lot of trust worldwide.

    As for SOS, there are other Clinton people as qualified or more, who would not lose a Senate seat by taking SOS. Albright for one. Or Bill.

  60. Southern Born Says:
    November 16th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
    There seem to be lots and lots of backstabber, disloyal, former “Clinton people”…Morris, Richardson, Sollis, and on and on.
    ===============

    And Susan? Rice iirc. As someone pointed out (Anglachel, Alegre?) it’s the non-Judases he’s actually choosing, the people who were successful, at the top of the Clinton admin. She said the Rice types were the disappointed ones who never made it very high in the 90s. Judas himself might be an exception, but he hasn’t done very well since. The others went to good private jobs sfaik.

  61. # birdgal Says:
    November 16th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    AmericanGal Says:

    November 16th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
    Wouldn’t another logical reason Obama is choosing former Clinton administration people is simply the fact there aren’t any other white house experienced Democrats out there?? Those from the Carter administration are getting old…who else could he choose??

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    Exactly. Who else is he going to choose?
    *******

    New People per his motto “Change you can believe in.”

  62. Instead of dangling jobs for his amusement, maybe he should start naming some of his own. The bots wanted change, so give them Pelosi, Clyburn, Caroline, Oprah, McCaskill and JJ Jr. Then if he needs to fill a few spots he can use Judas or Kerry. LOL

  63. If I were an Israeli, I would wonder about Obama. I would be worried about his past relationships with extremists like the Saudi who financed his Harvard education, his friendship with Hamas leaders, his reliance upon Breznevski, the wonderful loving comments by his spiritual mentor Wright and that repulsive Phegar who should be defrocked, and his little speech on that video which the Los Angeles Times would not release to the public but Zl definitely did show to the right people. I would not be assuaged by Bfmn’s reassurances after making contributions we can work with him because he always says that. Living in a part of the world where you cannot be sure if you will wake up tomorrow, I would want Beebe to be the next PM, and I would want an American secretary of state who understood Isarael’s position and knew how to work toward peace whom I could trust. When I looked at a guy like Richardson I would say to myself nobody can trust him because if he would betray his true mentor the next one he does it to could be me. The bottom line is I would want Hillary. She is a brilliant leader and would be trusted by all sides. I suspect other nations in the world would feel the same way.

    Hillary needs to stop burning the candle at both ends and get some rest. She has earned it.

  64. Obama makes new cabinet announcements. Press is ecstatic.

    Pelosi: Secretary of Let Them Eat Cake

    Clyburn: Secretary of Graft and Deception

    Caroline: Secretary of My Daddy was John and Uncle was MJK’s date

    Oprah: Secretary of Losing Weight and Gaining It All Back and More

    McCaskill: Secretary of Deliverance (The Movie)

    JJ: Secretary of Riots and Race Baiting

  65. I have no doubt Hillary is being seriously considered for SOS, and that she’s open to taking the job. Otherwise, her name wouldn’t even be out there. I think she’d be outstanding. Keep in mind, SOS is a real plum, and right now she’s just a junior senator with no committee chairmanships. SOS is a much more powerful position than being secretary of Energy, for example.

    As for her political future, she could certainly run for governor of NY someday or even president again (in 2016).

  66. Paula,

    Why do people keep saying SOS is a plum or a step to something higher? Who has gone on to anything higher?

    From Alegre’s:


    In support of Hillary remaining in the Senate.
    by: John West
    Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 10:18:47 AM EST

    Dear Hillary Family,
    Let me just share my two cents for what it’s worth regarding Hillary as Secretary of State.

    The Secretary of State is an appointed position and whomever is appointed, serves at the President’s discretion. Any power that comes with such a position, belongs to the office of the President. As Secretary of State, any fund-raising, campaigning for other Democrats, or any domestic policy roll, are completely restricted. Is this where Hillary can best serve our Country? Biden will certainly have a large roll in foreign policy, he is actually supremely qualified for this position, so with Biden as VP, the Secretary of State this time around won’t be the big deal it has been in administrations past.

    Quick fact: Not since President Buchanan has a Secretary of State been able to go on to hold higher office.

    As one of “we the people” I want to say WE need Hillary more in the Senate, as our Champion…as an advocate for healthcare, education, women’s and children’s issues, economic growth and job creation, gay issues, etc. As one of “we the people” I want to say WE need more women in government, especially in the senate, and that “we the people” would not be served best by having such a remarkable woman, vacate her seat for an appointed position that others can do just as well. Certainly she is qualified, and would do a great job….but there are others who would be just a good, and the trade off wouldn’t come at such a cost for “we the people.”

  67. from the NYT. Hillary as SOS sounds like it’s a done deal….

    WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama’s advisers have begun reviewing former President Bill Clinton’s finances and activities to see whether they would preclude the appointment of his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, as secretary of state, Democrats close to the situation said Sunday.

    The examination of the former president suggests how seriously Mr. Obama is considering bringing his onetime rival for the Democratic presidential nomination into his cabinet. He met with Mrs. Clinton in Chicago on Thursday to talk about the prospect and word quickly filtered out. Many Democrats close to both camps said Sunday that it seemed likely that Mr. Obama would ask her to take the job, assuming they could work something out regarding Mr. Clinton’s role…………..

    More than a dozen advisers to both sides said Sunday that although they did not have firm information, they considered it improbable that Mr. Obama would have opened the door to Mrs. Clinton’s appointment without having decided, at least in principle, that he would like to make it happen. Rejecting her after letting the possibility become so public would risk a new rupture in a party that spent much of the year divided between Mr. Obama and the Clintons.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/us/politics/17memo.html

  68. Hi Hillfriends…let’s look on the bright side…if Hillary does become the SOS we all know she is going to be fantastic…friends and foes alike have all been saying for the last few days that she is an excellent choice and will be great…let’s put O aside for now…Hillary will be the voice of diplomacy for the USA…she will be the voice of our foreign policy…Hillary will be the person in the position to best restore our good name – the USA’s standing in the world…Hillary can make her historical mark…we need her on the international world stage NOW…WE……Hill will be stifiled by the senate seniority rules and kerry, kennedy, dodd, etc…

    but as SOS…Hillary will be her own person…she will be in charge of rehabilitating our State Dept…the world will welcome her…with her personality, intelligence, negotiating prowness and the Clinton goodwill…Hillary will be able to accomplish major positive good works…

    friends, I am imagining our Hillary as winning the Nobel Peace Prize down the road…if she goes to the state dept. at this time in history…it could really happen…

    We know she is capable and she can do it…

  69. S, I agree that Hillary will be a historic SOS. The fact that the world is responding to her so positively should be a warning sign to Obama that not everyone thinks he is “the one”.

    But I also think this choice has other implications. It is a risk for her and she will have to give up everything she has worked for as a senator. Irregardless of any manipulations by Kerry, Kennedy or others she is a senator with clout and would remain an advocate for the causes she championed. It will be sad to see that voice lost from the senate if she becomes SOS.

    She is certainly well qualified for the position for the reasons you describe. But I can’t shake the feeling that she is also being used by Obama to gain the respect and gravitas he doesn’t have, but which she has so richly earned.

  70. I have no doubt Hillary is being seriously considered for SOS, and that she’s open to taking the job. Otherwise, her name wouldn’t even be out there. I think she’d be outstanding. Keep in mind, SOS is a real plum, and right now she’s just a junior senator with no committee chairmanships. SOS is a much more powerful position than being secretary of Energy, for example.

    As for her political future, she could certainly run for governor of NY someday or even president again (in 2016).
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    Paula: this makes sense. Better she should be on a world stage solving problems for this country, and working with key allies like Israel. What I said above is an imaginary conversation but it is as real as real can get.

    Right now this country is facing (3) short term existential threats–meaning threats to our survival. All three of them are rooted in foreign policy: i) war with Iran, possibly Russia is a foreign policy one of them (see my comments re. Israel) ii) a terrorist attack on our soil–ditto, iii) the collapse of our economy–is a domestic problem with an obvious foreign component: we need to restructure the world financial system like bill and robert rubin wanted to do in the 90s. There is no getting around it–SOS is the most strategic and critical position ever.

    She can never have that kind of leverage as a senator. Never, but especially now. Congress is about to enact some very draconian legislaton and there is no way for any single senator to stop it. Things like –surcharge on small business, retroactive taxes on iras, 401 ks, more bail outs, more spending. And he will sign it. It will widen and deepen the economic malaise. I do not want her to be a party to it, or have to fall on her sword resisting it to no avail.

    This is a one term presidency. Whether Hillary goes after it in 2012 is an open question. If we have learned anything over the past eighteen months it is that the power brokers in the dimocratic party in 2008 will not allow a woman to become president–even when the future of our country hangs in the balance. That is how twisted they are.

  71. I’ll be surprised if Hillary takes SOS. Surely Albright — or Bill — could do as well.

    If the Senate is going draconian, she can dissociate from it by staying and fighting the bad legislation, being the Loyal Opposition if you like. That puts her right there to pick up the pieces comes the backlash (after chipping away in the first place).

    I distinguish truth from image. I don’t think she’d be blamed much for whatever the Senate does with her famously voting against it (filibustering?). It would be harder to dissociate her image as SOS from Obama’s directives. — And then there’s truth. Powel didn’t just get his image tarnished, he really WAS involved in Bush’s deceipt of the UN. I see Hillary wanting to stay out of such traps.

  72. But I also think this choice has other implications. It is a risk for her and she will have to give up everything she has worked for as a senator. Irregardless of any manipulations by Kerry, Kennedy or others she is a senator with clout and would remain an advocate for the causes she championed. It will be sad to see that voice lost from the senate if she becomes SOS.
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    American Gal: I know but look at the way they have taken health care away from her–and given it to kennedy. Can she keep her voice in that environment. Would she have to support alot of bad legislation. If you remember William who used to blog at Taylor Marsh before she lost her mind:

    Taylor, I can’t disagree with much of what you said, except that if Hillary doesn’t get this nomination, I don’t think her “power base” is going to be much. The Democratic “leaders’ have had this fixed up for some time. Hillary withdraws, they say nice things about her, they urge/threaten her to strongly support Obama; and she goes back to the Senate with no realistic chance of ever being President. Obama controls the Party and the DNC, gets rid of most of the people that didn’t support him; and makes sure that if he wins two terms, the next candidate is the person he picks for VP, or someone he favors. Hillary thus becomes one of those tragic figures who is in the wrong spot at the wrong time, and never is able to do the kind of things she wanted so much to do for the country. Any other view of where she’ll be after withdrawing is naive and wishful, I think. In this case, she didn’t even really lose; but as I tried to recount below, was the victim of a nominating process carefully stacked against her. Outside of sending her own squad of bully boys to lock people out of caucus rooms and scare them, I don’t know what else she could have done. She won every big state except Obama’s own; she won virtually every swing state, mostly by comfortable margins. She has been the victim of the DNC fix and a rabid media, which is not going away any time soon. The only nice thing they will ever say about her is when she withdraws, just like Gore.

    The horrifying thing is that the goal of the media has not just been to get Obama nominated. It has been to absolutely destroy the career and reputation of Hillary Clinton. The fact that they continue to talk about something which by any rational analysis is an absolutely non-story, is as evil as it gets. The media may be what is most wrong with this country. At the start of every election cycle, like Charlie Brown hopefully running up to kick the football, I somehow think that this campaign will be different; that the media will actually try to be fair and provide reasonable coverage. And every time I immediately see that they are worse than the last time; more biased, more vicious, more slanderous, more willing to twist and distort reality to their own purposes. Or maybe it’s just that they’re too stupid to understand much of anything; after all, I know that a college education is not what it used to be. And being a frat boy or sorority girl with a nice smile may get you on TV, but it doesn’t give you any qualifications for analyzing anything. What’s happened with the RFK “story,” however, is far worse; because it is deliberately intended to make Hillary look like a bad person, which she most certainly is not. But I’m sure there will be lots of hand-slapping and high-fiving done in the newsrooms and on the news desks, if Hillary withdraws. So justice never does come to such despicable people as the Dowds, the Roland Martins, the Anne Kornbluths, the Andrea Mitchells, the Russerts, Matthews, and all the others.

    Frankly, I’d take this to the convention, tell the DNC and the media to go screw themselves, and let’s see what actually happens. But Hillary is no me, and she does not want to be hated by her colleagues, who have mostly tried to diminish her throughout the campaign, in favor of a propped-up, inexperienced, arrogant, elitist, calculating, disenfranchising, lying opponent. Obama is their candidate, not ours, if “ours” means the vast middle-class, the working people, those who truly care about the immense problems facing our country, and who realize that we desperately need someone immensely hard-working and competent, not a lazy inexperienced person who reads a teleprompter well. The fight Hillary has waged is for all of us, and she has gone to every state to do so. I wish I could think of something positive or cheerful to see out of a Hillary withdrawal, but I cannot. I see perhaps the end of the last New Deal Democrat to remain on the political stage; and I see an endless series of empty images parading to the White House, carefully selected by the corporate powers, and sold to Americans by the media like a new brand of perfume

  73. Unfortunately, from what I hear – people want checks. There are many crazy people who seem to think Obama will give them gas, water, power, food etc.

    If Obama can keep the price of gas low, hand out checks and give unemployment to people who have given up looking for work, the masses will be happy. (I realize the US doesn’t have the finances to do this and it will make the economic situation worse.)

    If gas goes up, unemployment increases and the government hands out meager checks – Obama will fail.

    If Hillary is SOS, if Obama fails, she fails.

  74. i asked a friend of mine who worked for clinton’s senate run whether BO could simply fire her from SOS, and he said, no, because she has too big of a constituency.

    not sure what that means exactly, but I construe this to mean, we have to stand behind her no matter what position she takes; she will be powerful because of us and the millions of people who believe that she is the president-in-waiting.

  75. Count: I completely agree with your friend on that. The party elders who denied her the presidency in favor of that “propped-up, inexperienced, arrogant, elitist, calculating, disenfranchising, lying opponent” have put the country in an untenable position. She could have torn the party apart but she did not. All the stuff they believed about her–a power hungry bitch out to undermine the dreams of the black community were proven false. Now she will save their bacon and maybe prevent world war III. He aint gonna remove her except for cause and she will never give him that. They owe her big time.

  76. If Obama can keep the price of gas low, hand out checks and give unemployment to people who have given up looking for work, the masses will be happy. (I realize the US doesn’t have the finances to do this and it will make the economic situation worse.)
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    A fairy tale perhaps?

  77. Obama will fall much sooner than he and his followers can think possible and he will take with him most of his appointees.Hillary will be one of the first to go down with him.It is all about guilt by association and her political career would tragically be over.In no way do I have any experience in politics but the scenario the DNC and their great black hope has presented to our country as its future does not pass my smell test.I see it as a trap to remove her as the most admired woman in the world.Obama always has the race card ready to deal when he is challenged.He used it on Bill and it is ready for Hillary.Please do not take the bait Hillary.Your country needs you in its fight against the forces of evil that now have their man in place and ready to follow their agenda.

    By ABM90 Admin: Thank you for your inspirational words.

  78. Thank You, wobbei… I’m with you!

    Everyone thinks if Hillary is in the Senate she will be able to do what she pleases…WRONG! No Senator can do anything by themselves. You need colleague support. You have to remember, Pelosi had most of the Senate with her against Hillary supporting Obama. There isn’t a Senator that would feel it worthwhile to support Hillary opposing the Pelosi/Obama tsunami.

    Hillary would be a lame duck, ineffective Senator if she declines the SOS position. If Obama fires Hillary, her supporters would unleash the wrath of God on Obama’s presidency. If he lets her go for any reason or by mutual understanding…theres always the governorship.

  79. CountTheVotes Says:

    November 17th, 2008 at 3:14 am
    i asked a friend of mine who worked for clinton’s senate run whether BO could simply fire her from SOS, and he said, no, because she has too big of a constituency.
    &&&&&&&

    All of these cabinet positions “serve at the pleasure of the President”. So yeah, “Hit the road, toad”, is what he could say to HRC at any point. Of course it would be couched in the “we’re going to go in a different direction”, or “this is for your own good”.

    And yes, there would be potentially some further ill will from the Clinton faction of the Dem party, you know, that 51%. But Obama, like Bush, would believe that he could steam roll any one, now that he has all the toys. He’d view it as a test of his power. “I made you Sec. of State, and I can take that away”.

  80. Mrs Smith says: “If Obama fires Hillary, her supporters would unleash the wrath of God on Obama’s presidency”…
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    don’t want to sound pessimistic, but what did our ‘wrath’ accomplish after May 31st, June 3rd and Aug 27th??

  81. I have to laugh at the scrutiny of Bill. That did not seem to matter with O, his relationships or deals. So what situation can Bill possible cause to be important, if Os were not.

  82. For the record, I am against Hillary as SOS for the same reasons as many of you.

    Another reason I am against it is it would seem (again) like she is giving up on fighting against the injustices that are continuously occurring. I have a “non-cooperation” attitude about the Idiot BO because of the injustices that we all suffered.

    OTOH, since there will be alot of Clinton people in the WH, won’t Hillary have more power than the average SOS-even Colin Powell?

  83. From our friends at NQ, an excerpt from 11/15:

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/15/america-on-a-witch-hunt-against-woman-enabled-by-barack-obama-and-his-msm/

    And finally, one big question: Where is NOW now? Where are these fake feminists and women’s advocate organizations who at one time, when they were real, would have never stood for the kind of treatment we are witnessing in America right now, not to mention the savagery towards women in the Middle East.

    NOW is needling Barack Obama about his lack of staff diversity with respect to women. What did they expect? They helped to elect a pig and now they are shocked that he snorts like a pig. Larry Summers, the guy who got fired for declaring that black people would rather dance than learn and women can’t do math is now in Obama’s inner circle.

    The mau-mauing of Barack Obama Barack Obama officially began less than 24 hours after he won the White House, when National Organization for Women president Kim Gandy piped up about the possibility of Obama picking Larry Summers as his Treasury secretary. Gandy told the Huffington Post she had “mixed feelings” about Summers, saying he “doesn’t seem to get” the economic implications of gender-based wage disparities. She cited Summers’s incendiary comments as president of Harvard about women’s intrinsic inaptitude for math and science—the ones that helped get him booted—as a cause for concern. And she expressed some displeasure that no female economists are being mentioned as contenders for the Treasury job. “We’re gonna be forwarding some names to the Obama transition team,” Gandy said. “It’s important that in this new administration women’s voices are heard and heeded.”

    Oh give it Up, Gandy, like Barack Obama gives a rat’s butt what you think now that you helped him grab the Ring. You go right ahead and send him “a list of names” for him to snort at. You were only worried about abortion: an issue that is going nowhere and was used for years by the Democratic Party to sucker punch all of us.

    What did the complacent NOW expect?

    Start disbanding now, NOW. You are useless and toothless. You fell for it. You watched Barack Obama eviscerate Hillay Clinton and then you endorsed your own Oppressor In Chief. None of us can depend on you for anything any longer. You are neutered and it’s your own fault. As for the Gloria crowd: the only one left amongst you who has any guts is Phyllis Chesler, and from what I have read, they ostracized her for it.

    The revolution will come just as soon as the Clairol Girls Get It. And Get It they will. The hard way. In the meantime, Campbell Brown, I can’t wait to see you get yours. You will never be First and you helped to make sure that happens. I would call that Poetic Justice. I shall enjoy watching it.

  84. SactoDem Says:
    November 17th, 2008 at 10:22 am

    OTOH, since there will be alot of Clinton people in the WH, won’t Hillary have more power than the average SOS-even Colin Powell?
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    The fact that there may (for now) be a lot of “Clinton people” in the Obama Cabal does not inspire me with oodles of confidence. They have been brought on for their subject matter expertise, and their knowledge of procedures and people. They have not been brought on for their strong and unwavering commitments to higher ideals. It’s DC, for heaven’s sake.

    Those who dare stand up to Obama will be shown the door. The rest of the sniveling toads will get along just fine. For instance, I’m sure Patti Solis-Doyle is quite happy how things turned out.

  85. W……
    O……

    “Meet the New Boss,
    Same as the old Boss.”

    I believe that was from the Who song, “We Just Got Fooled Again”. :^)

  86. wobbei, They owe her big time?

    Just like they OWED the voters the right to one person-one vote, they owed America to follow the RULEZ that Brazile espoused for so long and then circumvented those same rulez when it would be beneficial to them, like they owed Democrats ‘Fair Reflection,’ like they owed it to America not to back or promote or steal the primary for a rock star, just like the blacks owed Hill and Bill for the progress they helped implement, just like Reid/Pelosi/Dean/Brazile and others owed it to the voters not to piss on the most qualified candidate in current history?

    We must not trust the President Select. No. Not. On. Any. Account.

  87. I guess two reporters pursured Watergate, which ended up in the resignation of a President.

    Who has the guts and courage to pursue the many suspect areas of O, or is this scrutiny only reserved for the Republicans.

  88. It seems like BO is serious about Senator Clinton:

    “WASHINGTON: President-elect Barack Obama’s advisers have begun reviewing former President Bill Clinton’s finances and activities to see whether they would preclude the appointment of his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, as secretary of state, Democrats close to the situation said.

    The examination of the former president suggests how seriously Obama is considering bringing his onetime rival for the Democratic presidential nomination into his cabinet. He met with her secretly in Chicago on Thursday to talk about the prospect and word quickly filtered out. Many Democrats close to both camps said Sunday that it seemed likely that Obama would ask her to take the job, assuming they could work something out regarding Bill Clinton’s role.

    A team of lawyers trying to facilitate the potential nomination spent the weekend looking into the former president’s philanthropic organization, dealings with foreign governments and ties to pharmaceutical companies, an adviser to both camps said. The two sides are discussing what the former president would need to do to avoid a conflict of interest with the duties of his wife, who is said to be interested in the post.

    “That’s the first and most important hurdle,” said another adviser to Obama, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss Bill Clinton’s role, but who praised his work fighting problems overseas through the Clinton Global Initiative. “He does good work. No one wants it to stop, but a structure to avoid conflicts must be thought of.”

    More than a dozen advisers to both sides said Sunday that although they did not have firm information, they considered it improbable that Obama would have opened the door to Clinton’s appointment as secretary of state without having decided, at least in principle, that he would like to make it happen. Rejecting her after letting the possibility become so public would risk a new rupture within a party that spent much of the year divided between Obama and the Clintons.

    The possibility of Hillary Clinton as secretary of state generated positive response from both sides of the aisle on Sunday. “She is a lady of great intelligence, demonstrated enormous determination and would be an outstanding appointment,” former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said at a forum in New Delhi, according to news services.

    Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona, the No. 2 Republican in the Senate, welcomed the prospect. “It would be a good choice, at least superficially,” he said on “Fox News Sunday.” “It seems to me she’s got the experience. She’s got the temperament for it. I think she would be well received around the world. So my own initial reaction is it would be a very good selection.”

    Speaking at an economic conference in Kuwait, Bill Clinton openly acknowledged the possibility. “If he decided to ask her, and they did it together, I think she’ll be really great as a secretary of state,” he said. “She worked very hard for his election after the primary fight with him, and so did I, and we were very glad that he won, and we have a lot of confidence that he can do a good job.”

    Another sign that many said pointed to Clinton’s possible selection was the news that Gregory Craig will be appointed White House counsel instead of national security adviser or deputy secretary of state, as some had expected. A longtime law school friend of the Clintons who represented Bill Clinton during impeachment, Craig broke from the couple to back Obama from the start and was a scathing critic of Hillary Clinton’s claims to foreign policy experience. Although some advisers saw no connection, others said putting him in a foreign policy job would seem difficult if Clinton is to be secretary of state.

    Both Obama and Clinton have kept their conversations tightly held, but that silence has only convinced some associates that the prospect is serious. “No one has called to say, ‘Don’t get too far on this,”‘ said James Carville, a longtime friend and adviser of the Clintons.

    “A silent phone’s sometimes as much of an indication as a ringing phone.”

    A former adviser to Hillary Clinton who spoke on condition of anonymity said, “If it’s a trial balloon, it certainly seems to be floating.” Another said, “I can’t believe they would have her schlep out there with all this publicity unless they were real about it.”

    Over the last week at his transition offices in Chicago, Obama has conducted at least a half-dozen interviews for prospective cabinet members, focusing on secretary of state and treasury secretary. His transition team initially planned to name the first cabinet officer this week, but advisers said Sunday that no decisions had been made.

    rest of article at:

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/17/america/clinton.php

  89. birdgal Says:

    November 17th, 2008 at 10:47 am
    It seems like BO is serious about Senator Clinton:

    “WASHINGTON: President-elect Barack Obama’s advisers have begun reviewing former President Bill Clinton’s finances and activities to see whether they would preclude the appointment of his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, as secretary of state, Democrats close to the situation said.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    My gut feeling (that is, I have no factual data on this) is that Obama wants to “seriously” consider HRC, for show. I doubt he wants to have to work with her. Maybe he’d enjoy toying with, demanding that “show up and tell me what’s going on with ___”. But I doubt it.

    He has to do the obligatory air kiss of a vetting process, to show that he’s a mature person who has let bygones be bygones, that he’s the bigger person, he’s the conciliator. I don’t believe a damn thing he says. He’s hoodwinking the MSM, and they are sooooo enraptured to regurgitate whatever he spoonfeeds them.

    The only news sources to trust will be from overseas and the interwebs.

  90. rgb44hrc Says:

    November 17th, 2008 at 11:24 am
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    What are the overseas news sources saying?

  91. Jeleanoro:

    don’t want to sound pessimistic, but what did our ‘wrath’ accomplish after May 31st, June 3rd and Aug 27th??

    ***************************************************

    What wrath? Hillary suspended her bid on June 6th. and we worked our asses of getting the signatures she needed for the Nomination. Two of her Representatives, wound up dead, Gwatney and Tubbes-Jones (Jones a week before the Convention) that had agreed to stage a walk-out at the Convention if Hillary’s name wasn’t on the ballot. Her name was on the ballot alright, all Pelosi did was boost the signature threashold up by + 300 signatures…thats all. When they’bve beaten you on the board, it’s always better to fall back and regroup…and she did.

  92. So they are having an AOL vote on whether O has a grasp of the economy. Right now the majority thinks he has. How delusional can you get. As a lawyer I doubt he took one economics course, his career does not show one executive position, in which he would have to use economics to make any sort of decision. I guess they are relying on the Clinton staff he will hire. I hope they are in the room when decisions are made, as he needs a piece of paper handed to him 5 minutes before.

    As for the womens groups, they did exactly what the sufferetts told them not to. They support a political party that did not in any way show that they would support them. Banking on promises is stupid unless you have the power to force that support. The dem women’s groups sold themselves to a person who was secretly promising Canada not to worry about what they said during the campaign, as it was all just campaign retoric.

    So unless they have some secret evidence on something, they are SOL.

    I guess I have reached the point where this country is going to get exactly what it deserves. How many bad leaders can you elect before it seriously affects the nation. In fact it is seriously affecting the nation NOW.

  93. birdgal Says:

    November 17th, 2008 at 11:24 am
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    What are the overseas news sources saying?
    &&&&&&&&&&&77

    No story in particular, just that we’ve seen fair reporting throughout the election coming from outside the US, whereas inside has just been one big “Let’s make history”, and then sell Obama History making china sets and collector coin sets.

    ORDER NOW!!!
    OPERATORS STANDING BY!!!

    *** Gag me with a spoon, like, totally.

  94. Hillary better not take the job of SOS. She is sinking lower and lower.

    I don’t see how she can work for the fraud. She keeps saying that she loves her job. But that may be as big a lie as her saying that she is “in it to win it” and “Obama is unelectable” to keep some people appeased until she makes her move. I don’t see how she can even associate with the turncoats of former Clinton “friends”.

    I don’t think that she has been honest with all of her supporters at all, just like Obama hasn’t been honest with the American people.

    My money is on Sarah Palin in the future. I feel that she will be less of a disappointment.

    SOS will be OK for Hillary under another president, but not OBAMA!!!

    By the way, Georgia senator run-off between Chambliss and Martin will be on Dec.2. But early voting will be no later than November 24 if not sooner. I definitely plan to make it my mission and vote for the Republican Chambliss to prevent a fillibuster!!!!

  95. wobbei, They owe her big time?

    Just like they OWED the voters the right to one person-one vote, they owed America to follow the RULEZ that Brazile espoused for so long and then circumvented those same rulez when it would be beneficial to them, like they owed Democrats ‘Fair Reflection,’ like they owed it to America not to back or promote or steal the primary for a rock star, just like the blacks owed Hill and Bill for the progress they helped implement, just like Reid/Pelosi/Dean/Brazile and others owed it to the voters not to piss on the most qualified candidate in current history?

    We must not trust the President Select. No. Not. On. Any. Account.
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    I will never trust him. I will work to ensure his ultimate defeat. He is a tool of corporate interests who have taken over both parties. We have become like the Romans of two centuries ago–seduced by bread and circuses. And I think of that whenever I see some fool drive by with an Obama bumper sticker. In my town there are lots of them.

    I posted the comment of William above to remind people of what fate would be like in the Senate. Outside the senate she would have no voice. Forming a third party would be very difficult, and at the end of the day the large voting blocks typically allied with the party stick with the party. The Bull Moose president in 1912 proves that.

    My sense is she wants this position as a way to help the country. Who can argue with that. Who can say you cannot help the country because you will be helping Obama. I think he will self destruct for other reasons. That is my earnest hope. In my opinion, he represents what is worst in this country–not what is best.

    What I find sad about this is if she accepts this positon in response to a duty to country to avoid foreign policy disasters that lie in waiting for us, she cannot pursue another duty which is near and dear to our hearts on this blog, namely to be a leader of a social movement for womens rights and a populist movement to show the elites that we count for something.

    Finally, when I said they owe her what I was trying to say was two things. First stop trying to destroy her as you have been doing for twenty years–particularly big media. Second, do not try to deify her when it no longer counts. Third, if an opportunity does come up for her to run for president–you miserable cocksuckers owe it to her to support her for the honor dignity and service she had shown.

    First, last and always a remarkable woman. The best leader of this generation. P.S. Dont ever think this SOS thing was his idea.

  96. PALIN vs “OTHER” REPUB GUVS:

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/15/gop-governors-dish-up-a-bucket-of-sour-grapes/

    (excerpts only here, clink on the NQ link for the whole deal, $$$ are the Boston Globe paragraphs, those without are the commentary by blogster “Ani”)

    GOP Governors Dish Up A Bucket of Sour Grapes

    $$$ MIAMI – With Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska in their midst, the nation’s leading Republican governors used their annual conference to unleash some of their most furious criticism yet about the failed campaign she waged alongside presidential nominee John McCain. “The main economic argument McCain made during this campaign was earmarks,” Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana told the Republican Governors Association. “We’ve got real ideas. We can’t just be the party of ‘no,’ ” he continued in a later interview.

    Agreed. But where was the great Republican machine this time? Nowhere to be found. It was painfully obvious that McCain was being “Hillaried”. The party of ‘no’, Bobby? More like the party of no help.

    So if Gov. Jindal wasn’t on the ticket, was he going to share any of those “real ideas”? Did McCain not want to listen or did Jindal not offer? I don’t know the answer to that one, but Jindal not elaborate on his “real ideas” at this conference either. It also seems to me Governor Charlie Christ of Florida came under some fire for not coming out to support McCain early and often.

    $$$ Tim Pawlenty, the governor of Minnesota, passed over when McCain selected Palin as his running mate, compared the candidate’s campaign style unfavorably to President Reagan’s. “People mostly want to follow positive leaders; they don’t want to follow cranks,” he said.

    (snip)

    $$$ Palin’s presence overshadowed the three-day conclave of elected executives that traditionally serves as a celebration of state-level policy successes, a partywide strategy session, and an audition for national candidates. It was at such a meeting in early 2008 that the Alaska governor first received McCain’s attention, but her colleagues this week appeared at times miffed that even from under the wreckage, Palin’s luster remained visible.

    Perhaps that is what some of her fellow Governors are really miffed about: at this point she far outpolls them in her chances to be the 2012 frontrunner for the nomination.

    (snip)

    It is also interesting that Sarah Palin, the Republican who has arguably been through the greatest hell these past couple of months, is putting the most positive face on the situation going forward. So to her fellow Governors, I say: Come on, give up the sour grapes, fellas. Dust yourselves off and join the fight.

  97. What I find sad about this is if she accepts this positon in response to a duty to country to avoid foreign policy disasters that lie in waiting for us, she cannot pursue another duty which is near and dear to our hearts on this blog, namely to be a leader of a social movement for womens rights and a populist movement to show the elites that we count for something
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    A bit of an overstatement on my part. Hillary won the popular vote in the primary and the popular vote in the general election based on exit polling data–even though she suspended her own campaign and supported him. So she did strike a powerful blow for womens rights.

  98. someone on bitterpolitcz made a very good point.

    vetting Bill and his Foundation donors puts Hillary in a very precarious position for blackmail if she were to ever run against BO in 2012.

    interesting and very sneak on BO’s part to do this. Seriously, if Clinton Foundation has raised 30 billion including from heavy-weights around the world – it’s not easy to vet these people.

  99. I guess I have reached the point where this country is going to get exactly what it deserves. How many bad leaders can you elect before it seriously affects the nation. In fact it is seriously affecting the nation NOW.
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    That is where we are alright.

  100. Kerry’s price is 1/10 of Hillary on Intrade. Kerry is offered at 8 vs Hillary at 81. They do not think much of Kerry’s chances Do they??

  101. birdgal

    That is the only bright point in all of this that she would take a spot that not only Kerry but Judas wants.

  102. clintondem99 Says:

    November 17th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
    I think horseface and Judas deserve that.
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    ITA! There are definitely pros and cons to Senator Clinton taking SOS, but I’m sure she is well aware of the pitfalls.

  103. Just like they OWED the voters the right to one person-one vote, they owed America to follow the RULEZ that Brazile espoused for so long and then circumvented those same rulez when it would be beneficial to them, like they owed Democrats ‘Fair Reflection,’ like they owed it to America not to back or promote or steal the primary for a rock star, just like the blacks owed Hill and Bill for the progress they helped implement, just like Reid/Pelosi/Dean/Brazile and others owed it to the voters not to piss on the most qualified candidate in current history?
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    These people are traitors to our country. They are not the ones I am talking about. I mean the higher ups.

  104. regardless of whether she wants SOS or not…

    I think the vetting issue of the Clinton Foundation is very difficult and a real pain in the A**…how in the world can Hillary as SOS not be seen as currying favor for Foundation donors, etc.; these are real issues to try and sort out.

  105. Hillary would be a lame duck, ineffective Senator if she declines the SOS position. If Obama fires Hillary, her supporters would unleash the wrath of God on Obama’s presidency. If he lets her go for any reason or by mutual understanding…theres always the governorship.
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    If Hillary becomes SOS there is another constituency who will cut obamas nuts off if he fires her–key allies around the world. In the world of diplomacy this is all done in subtle ways but one morning you wake up and discover that everyone acts differently toward you and nothing you try to do works any more. If Hillary returns to the world stage that is where she will stay. Governor of New York is a step down.

  106. agree with wbboei – SOS is a very influential position and I’m sure there’s stronger reason why BO wants Clinton – her brand is what the world trusts, certainly not his that no one knows, and if he screws with her after putting her on a world stage, it will be bad for him. I think SOS will only empower her if she can get through the vetting issue with Clinton Foundation.

  107. As noted above I think alot of the push for this is coming from the world community. They are wary of Obama–and rightly so. They have little or no regard for Carey or Richardson but great regard for Hillary and Bill. In that respect, they are far better judges of talent and abiltiy than our own benighted elites.

    My heart says Hillary say no to this. Go on fighting the battle for all of us. Our democracy depends on it. If you take this position you will not be able to build a campaign for 2012 and 2016 is much too late. My head says the senate is a dead end, get to the world stage, repair the damage done to our country abroad, save us from the traps Obamas inexperience will get us into, and see where it all leads. The 6 billion human beings on this planet are the ultimate judge and jury here–not the twisted depraved media hacks who control this sand box.

  108. Mrs. Smith Says: “What wrath”?
    November 17th, 2008 at 11:38 am
    ******************************
    Exactly my point…once Hillary resigns from the senate, accepts the SoS position and they’ve now gone thru Bill’s business, they’re in a perfect position to take them BOTH down. I sincerely hope I’m wrong, and I know I don’t just ‘sound’ paranoid…I am paranoid! Maybe it’s Admin’s mantra running thru my head…he can’t be trusted!!…and it’s a damn shame because she would make a wonderful SoS. IMHO she should stay where she is and keep an eye on what he’s trying to do!

  109. I agree with others here. HILLARY BETTER NOT ACCEPT THE POSITION AS SOS!!!!! She will just be another politician under Obama.

    If Obama goes down in flames, that will give others more rightly so more ammunition to say how stupid it was to trust Obama!

    Seems like I don’t even no Hillary anymore. Watiting for Sarah Palin to rise!

  110. Just because the position of Sec. of State is traditionally very presitigous, doesn’t mean that Obama can’t find ways to undermine Hillary if she’d take it, to get the political mileage out of her while undermining her authority.

    Don’t forget, this guy has a grudge against Hillary. The only reason he’d take her on is for his political gain, not for her political savvy and skills.

    His ONLY goals are a) get re-elected, b) Obama legacy. Not the kind of guy you’d want as YOUR FRIKKING BOSS.

  111. I wonder if Hillary ever checks in here, to get feedback from Her People.

    Kind of like a Magic 8 Ball.

    Hill: “I wonder what I should do about the SoS offer”

    Magic 44 Ball: “Go with your instincts. Trust not the Snake”.

  112. JanH, Right on! He’s never taken responsibility for anything that’s gone wrong, but I’m sure there are ample examples of him taking credit when it goes right, even when he’s not been involved (remember that committee he wasn’t on that he took credit for?).

    He’ll be chuckin’ ’em under de bus.

  113. Count: SOS is a very influential position and I’m sure there’s stronger reason why BO wants Clinton – her brand is what the world trusts, certainly not his that no one knows, and if he screws with her after putting her on a world stage, it will be bad for him. I think SOS will only empower her if she can get through the vetting issue with Clinton Foundation.
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    Correct. And if it makes it any easier to accept I guarantee you this was not his idea but he will accept it for the very reasons you mention. The fact that she has a widespread support on this, and seems to want the position (as opposed to vp which she did not want) means that he cannot fire her with impunity, must give weight to what she says, and she will be far more influential than any secretary of state in history. This is a challenge and an opportunity worthy of her talents.

    And yes, Independent, if Hillary does not run in 2012 and Palin does I will support Palin. This is a corrupt system run by corporate interests who control the media and marginalize the voter. It needs reform.

  114. So the SEC fines Mark Cuban for insider trading!!!

    WHY HAS THE SEC NOT DONE ANYTHING ON FANNIE BACKERS DODD, BARNEY, AND ALSO NOT REVEALED WHO WAS DOING THE SHORT SELLS IN THE LAST 2-3 MONTHS BEFORE THAT 700 BILLION DOLLAR BAILOUT PROPOSAL THAT OBAMA SUPPORTED WHOLE-HEARTEDLY

  115. Colin Powell’s net worth is more than 50 million dollars and he has collected millions on speaking engagements all over the word. I do not remember any one questioning his conflict of interest. He owned a lot of AOL stock (240,000 stock options) when his son was FCC member and took a strong stand in favor of AOL-TIME warner merger.

  116. How many more days til the fraud gets in?? If Hillary is asked and accepts I wonder when the announcement usually takes place?

  117. I was not going to talk about this again…but…

    Plain and simple: Obama wants scapegoats
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    That may well be true in other cases but if it is true here Jan then her is going about it in entirely the wrong way. High profile people who are loved around the world and have a proven track record of success and competence at a time when those qualities are sorely needed do not make easy scapegoats.

    One of the points I have tried to emphasize in the writing I have done about business leadership is the profound difference between positional authority and inspirational leadership. Most people in executive management and politics fall into the first category. Occasionally, you get the second type of leader and that is when magic happens, great companies are created and countries undergo a golden age. Hillary Clinton is that kind of leader, Obama is not.

  118. Colin Powell’s net worth is more than 50 million dollars and he has collected millions on speaking engagements all over the word. I do not remember any one questioning his conflict of interest. He owned a lot of AOL stock (240,000 stock options) when his son was FCC member and took a strong stand in favor of AOL-TIME warner merger
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    The bloom is off that rose.

  119. SOS and most cabinet members needs to be approved by the senate…..soemtime after jan 7th new the new congress takes office, most likely sometime in feb/mar…

  120. With the media firmly on Obama’s corner, there would be no safety nets for Hillary if she decides to take the SOS post. If there are major disagreements between Obama and Hillary, the press will take Obama’s side and this will tarnish Hillary.

    If both Hillary and Obama leak their disagreement to the press, who do you think they will believe? Obama of course. That’s why I believe that if he fires her, there will be no negative consequences on him. I do understand that Hillary would be a different SOS in that she has more clout and support than the SOS of the past, but in the event of a major disagreement, it will be a battle of narratives. And in that battle, Hillary will always lose as long as the MSM are in the tank for Obama.

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