Ali-Bama And The Forty Thieves

Not since Maria Montez played a Bagdad beauty in the 1944 screen adaptation mess of A Thousand And One Nights has there been so much irrelevant commotion. We refer of course to the rumors of Hillary Clinton as a potential Secretary of State.

As we wrote yesterday,

In upcoming weeks and months many will exhaust their energies discussing Obama appointments. Is this one good, is that one bad, what does this name mean, what does that mention portend? We remember that in the George W. Bush White House only one appointment mattered – Karl Rove.

The Obama “political” office will, like the Bush political office, run things. 

Hillary Clinton will do what Hillary Clinton will do and we wish her Godspeed. As history teaches us, Hillary’s “responsibility gene” might influence her into taking a position she is more than able to do well in.  Hillary is aware that the country is in peril and that she is ready on day 1, whereas Obama has only bamboozling words. 

However, the “responsibility gene” should listen to the “reality gene“. The bottom line is that in this retelling, Hillary should beware of falling in with Ali-Bama and his Forty Thieves. And these are his thieves.

So beware Hillary.

Obama might not want Hillary to be around when he kills health care or else proposes a non-universal health care plan that will eventually doom any hope of ever achieving genuine universal health care in the United States.

Already we have seen how Obama allies like Ted Kennedy want to keep total control over the health care process and intend to freeze Hillary out. We’ve already heard one of the forty thieves, Nancy Pelosi, in her first post election news conference declare that Dimocrats have to “manage expectations” and that many promises made during the campaign will have to at least wait if not be completely abandoned.

Obama might also want to humiliate Hillary and force her to meet with the rogue leaders he had promised to meet without preconditions in his first year. Irrelevant theories abound:

The best reason for Obama to be looking for a place in his cabinet for Clinton is simple: to get her out of the Senate. Just ask George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and Jimmy Carter what it was like to have a once or future presidential rival in the Senate serving as a one-person Roman tribunal. Remember how easily the press gravitated to John McCain in ’01 or Bob Kerrey in ’93 or Ted Kennedy in ’77 to allow them to be one-senator judge/juries on Administration proposals? The upside for Obama putting Clinton at State (or even the Pentagon) is that it gets her out of the Senate and gets her out of the domestic policy debates. Also, one other thing to keep in mind if Clinton does end up at State, she’ll be off the political circuit; it’s considered unseemly to practice politics while serving in one of the big cabinet posts, especially at State or Defense. So this would mean no more Hillary on the stump for candidates, no more Hillary raising money, no more Hillary collecting chits.

Yon Obama has a lean and hungry look when he observes Hillary’s popularity. Yesterday, CBS News released an analysis of the exit polls. The result of the CBS News analysis:

As voters left the polls on Election Day, many were asked how they would have voted if the election match-up were between Hillary Clinton and John McCain rather than Barack Obama and McCain. 52 percent said they would have backed the former Democratic candidate; 41 percent would have voted for McCain, wider than Obama’s 7-point margin over McCain.

Interestingly, 16 percent of McCain voters said they would have voted for Clinton, the Democrat, if she had been her party’s nominee.

Obama knows Hillary is more experienced and won more primary votes and would have won more general election votes than he. 

Obama also does not want Hillary watching and protesting as he loots the American economy for his friends, in the same way George W. looted the American economy for his friends. And there is no question, the American economy is being looted.

Yet for all this activity, no formal action has been taken to fill the independent oversight posts established by Congress when it approved the bailout to prevent corruption and government waste. Nor has the first monitoring report required by lawmakers been completed, though the initial deadline has passed.

“It’s a mess,” said Eric M. Thorson, the Treasury Department’s inspector general, who has been working to oversee the bailout program until the newly created position of special inspector general is filled. “I don’t think anyone understands right now how we’re going to do proper oversight of this thing.”

In approving the rescue package, lawmakers trumpeted provisions in the legislation that established layers of independent scrutiny, including a special inspector general to be nominated by the White House and a congressional oversight panel to be named by lawmakers themselves.

The Republican gang of 40-plus thieves will soon be leaving Washington.

The Dimocratic gang of 40-plus thieves will soon be taking over all of Washington.

The Dimocratic gang of 40-plus thieves don’t want Hillary around – watching.

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162 thoughts on “Ali-Bama And The Forty Thieves

  1. Admin: brilliant. Politically astute. Reality must trump resposibility. You cannot save the country in a dead end job. In addition to what you say, this is a cynical attempt to exploit the contacts Bill has throughout the world. Like Hogan told Sauders when he froze over a 2 foot put which he missed and lost the British Open: Step back . . . . . . get away from it!!!!!!!!!

  2. Excellent analysis of a “tempest in a teapot.” As usual, Admin, you have cut to the core of the issue. “irrelevant commotion” indeed!

  3. Okay, admin, we don’t know your gender, or heck, just about anything personal. That’s cool.

    But I think you just ruled out that you are under say 30 yrs old. I’ve heard about that film, but that was a more obscure reference than say, Casablanca.

    Unless you were a film historian in college.

    The other thing that we can rule out about you is that you are an idiot. That was never in question.

    Just for kicks, throw us a clue. Favorite football team?

    Here, I’ll go. Oakland Raiders. Los Angeles Lakers. Minnesota Twins. Jersey boy apparently never loved the home teams. Went to Rutgers, majored in frisbee.

  4. Admin, interesting post. What better way to quell Senator Clinton’s political activities, than having her out of the country. FDR did the same thing with Joe Kennedy. FDR gave Kennedy the Ambassadorship to England, to get him out of FDR’s way and the U.S. political scene. FDR consider Kennedy a threat.

  5. rgb44hrc Says:

    November 14th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    Okay, admin, we don’t know your gender, or heck, just about anything personal. That’s cool.

    But I think you just ruled out that you are under say 30 yrs old. I’ve heard about that film, but that was a more obscure reference than say, Casablanca.
    ============

    It’s very cool. 🙂

    I, who used to post as 1950democrat, had the same reaction. Wow, that’s got me and wbboei beat, I’ll bet.

    Now I’m seeing the admin committee as not only wise old Ann Lewis types in pearls, but also with long, long cigarette holders.

  6. The differences between our admin and bambi are many and varied.

    But of all the differences the most salient one is this:

    Admin is all knowing–from politics to economics to music to as film history as we have just seen.

    And admin is never wrong. The problem is people do not always listen.

    Now Bambi is the exact opposite. He is not all knowing. It is more a case of know nothing–except what uncle tony et al wants.

    But the far greater problem is he thinks he is all knowing and as the song says: fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

    What me worry? We have only three problems: a perfect storm, a captain who has never been to sea and a media who cannot read a nautical chart–but thinks they can idiots that they are.

    This is not the navigational plan for a successful voyage. More like the USS Indianapolis. And when the sharks (foreign or domestic) smell blood, they will now be deterred by the fond memory of George W Bush.

    Rather it will be the case of the truism of the corporate world: what have you done for me since you took over. What have you done for me lately? Dont give me excuses. Why do we still have a problem?

  7. Then to say “it’s beneath” Hillary to take the job, well, you’ll undoubtedly find a few duds on this list, but I think the job has to be considered an honor regardless
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    Dud here, sir.

  8. Letter to Illinois State Board of Elections: Election Day Text Messages May Violate Law against Electioneering in Polling Places
    Contact:
    Press Office 202-646-5188

    Washington, DC — October 30, 2008
    Illinois State Law Prohibits Political Speech “within any polling place”
    Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, announced today that it has issued a request to the Illinois State Board of Elections to investigate whether the Obama campaign’s planned Election Day text messages would violate a state law that prevents electioneering in polling places. Judicial Watch plans to issue similar requests to election officials in other states.
    According to media reports, Senator Obama’s campaign sent text messages to voters on primary day in New Hampshire encouraging them to vote for Senator Obama. The Obama campaign apparently intends to conduct a similar text message campaign on Election Day. Given that these messages will likely be received and read by voters on their cell phones inside polling places, and perhaps inside voting booths, the messages may violate an Illinois state law against electioneering within polling places.
    Illinois law specifically states: “No…person shall, at any primary or election, do any electioneering or soliciting of votes or engage in any political discussion within any polling place.” [10 ILCS 5/17-29 (a)]
    According to the Judicial Watch letter, dated October 28, 2008:
    “Even if an individual is planning on voting for Senator Obama on Election Day, a voter should be able to enter a polling place and cast his or her vote without being subjected to yet more electioneering. Secrecy, privacy, and freedom from outside influence in the polling place are fundamental to ensuring a fair election process. The people of Illinois must be free to cast their votes without electioneering text messages inside Illinois polling places. Illinois law requires no less.”
    “There is no difference between a text message received on a cell phone in a polling station and a campaign sign. The effect is to influence citizens as they cast votes. This electioneering is prohibited not only by Illinois state law, but the by the laws of other states as well. We expect that responsible government authorities will ask Senator Obama to abandon his planned Election Day text message campaign. Our letter to Illinois is a first step, as we’re working now to alert other states about this matter,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

    Judicialwatch.org

  9. linky for just the Dodd radio interview, hope it works!!
    http://www.newhavenindependent.org/archives/upload/2008/11/102808_edited_Dodd.mp3

    Tom Scott conducted the interview. WELI killed it. Now you can hear it.
    Scott, one of Connecticut’s leading conservative voices of the past three decades, was the last local on-air voice at WELI-AM, once a fully-staffed Greater New Haven news station turned into a right-wing talk radio syndication outlet by owner Clear Channel Communications.
    Scott hosted a weekday 5 to 7 p.m. drive-time talk show until Oct. 29. That was the day he taped a combative interview with U.S. Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut (pictured with Mutual Housing chief Seila Mosquera during a recent tour of New Haven’s Fair Haven neighborhood).
    The interview focused on two controversies that have dogged Dodd recently: He received personal “VIP” loans from Countrywide Financial, a predatory lender he was supposed to be regulating as chairman of the Senate Banking Committee. And he helped craft a $700 billion Wall Street bailout bill designed to spur new small-business and homeowner lending — but which turns out to be designed instead to enable banks to buy other banks.

  10. Did anyone see the Frontline special on Lee Atwater: The Boogie Man
    It was like deja vu after looking at the Obama campaign. After seeing this I really do believe the Donna Brazile and Karl Rove connection it was like Dukakis all over again in destroying Hillary during the primaries.
    Very Very good special this should be required homework for everyone.
    LOL
    Obama is a very dangerous individual.

    They also talked about if Atwater had lived there would have been no way that Clinton would have been elected because he had started putting damaging things together about his past after getting Bush elected in 88 he had 2 guys shipped out to DC from Arkansas who were already spilling the beans on Clinton I guess about his alledged affairs.
    Hey you got to check it out it was like seeing this election cycle all over again just watching Dukakis get destroyed.
    Just destroy at all cost. Feed the press anything because they wont check it. Atwater feed the press things and the press admitted they did not want to check out he facts I guess it was just to tedious is what Sam Donaldson said to a certain extent they lied about Dukakis voting record made up things he was a Governor not voting in Washington and they lied about the way he voted on legislation in DC and the press flew with it.

    Just go to Google Video; it’s there and you can watch it online. Type in Lee Atwater and it comes up on their site If you cant watch it on PBS.

    Pls check it out
    Very Interesting

  11. Then to say “it’s beneath” Hillary to take the job, well, you’ll undoubtedly find a few duds on this list, but I think the job has to be considered an honor regardless
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    Shriners will tell you that having your ashes placed in a mausoluem is an honor too. I will defer to Hillary’s judgment, but I know what I would tell her if I were asked. She does not to waste her credibility covering his bad debts. Today we are facing three existential threats: the economy, the probability of a terrorist attack on our soil and a third war possibly with Russia. Each has a strategic foreign component which the secretary of state could be influential on. If Bambi was not the Machiavellian prince (pronounced prick) he is this would be a strategic place for her to exert her immense talents for the country. The problem is he is what he is.

  12. Bambi promised over and over again to help Hillary with her debts during the election season. He has defaulted on every promise he ever made. She has not defaulted once. Choosing to accept or not accept a puppet position in his cabinet will not hinge on this. He has cried wolf too often. If she does accept it will be for a very good reason and if she doesn’t accept it will be for a very reason.

    Again she is not stupid in any way, shape, or form.

  13. maybe I’m the only one that thinks SoS would be a good position for Hillary. Given the economy, I see Dems and Dem congress and, Obama dragged down by the domestic situation – he may become the next Hoover – Hillary would be embroiled in that too. Hillary would keep us safe abroad, and I would want no one else answering the 3am call – and she would give BO good advice. I think it could position her well for Presidency again and keep her insulated from the domestic problems that will happen in the next years.

  14. I’ve been reading the posts from the bottom up, finally cauht up.

    I’d have said ‘disastrous presidency’ too if I knew how to spell it.

    It’s disastrous already, it’s disastrous by definition. It was disastrously obtained. Even if BO saw the light and abdicated Feb 1 turning it over to Hillary, it would still have been disastrous for the country.

  15. I think we can safely say that Hillary doesn’t want this job. She said as much in the one remark she has made since the rumor started circulating. She loves NY and NYC and is very happy to remain in the Senate. She said the same thing 5 months ago in reference to the VP spot, and it was clear she didn’t want the VP spot either.

    McCain said on the campaign trail that if he won, he looked forward to working with Hillary as “one of the most powerful voices in the Senate,” and in that evaluation he was right. She is a centrist like McCain and has friends on both sides of the aisle. Post-election, she is arguably as powerful as Kennedy, and Kennedy will soon leave.

    We also have to remember that, according to the Constitution, the Senate is the most powerful governmental entity in the land; and each Senator is free-wheeling, called upon to discuss and vote on all issues affecting the federal government. In addition, a Senator can have special interests and a greater voice in those fields of interests by sitting on committees. Hillary is on four committees, and is renowned for her work on the Armed Services Committee. When Health care comes up this time, she will definitely play a decisive role in getting truly universal health care passed.

    So, taking State would actually be a step down for her. She would no longer have any influence in the Armed Services or health care, the environment or economic affairs, etc., which are her focal points, her poles of interest, and the fields where she can do the most for the country and her own career. She would be reduced to advising BO along with Biden, and implementing Obama’s foreign policies that she has always seen as risky.

    Having said this, Hillary also said (as she did for the VP spot) that she would take the job if asked. If she does end up at State, I think she will do an outstanding job and will not have to take the heat for any of Obama’s fuckups. The buck does stop at the Offal Office. I don’t think we have to worry about Hillary getting clobbered or torpedoed by anybody. She’s a big girl, and she’s unstoppable. Once in the Cabinet, she won’t leave. Maybe after a few years at State, Obama will shift her to Defense or to HEW, but he won’t be able to get rid of her.

  16. The local Dems keep trying to contact me like nothing has happen. Just got an email from the emerge group here which is for Women. I replied, saying I am independent, and that no self respecting women would belong to or support a Party that had behaved in such a sexist manner in the Primary and GE. I also asked to be removed from the list.

    Does anyone have the email from Rothchild about te new women’s group. I cannot find it. Does she have a web site I can go to. Thanks.

  17. Now they are saying he may offer it to MCcain also. So is the fraud trying to clam up both of his strongest oppositions.

    Keep your friends close but keep your enemies even closer.

    Guess Obama is working on 2012 already pacifying the opposition.

  18. The only site I know of for Rothschild is together4us.com. It’s not an interesting site because Lynn doesn’t make regular postings or blogs. BTW, hillaryclintonforum has shut down. They should start up again.

  19. Hi guys! Im not sure if some of you remember me, but I was and still am a strong opponent of Obama. I must admit I was in hiadeous for a while..trying to deal with the sad and cruel reality of an Obama presidency.

    I watched battleground by battleground slip away from John McCain. Even my beautiful state of PA fell pray to the Media hype about Obambi and the “get-rid-of-the-Republicans-now” call from the Democrats.

    In the days after the election, I refused to visit the usual websites I’d lived on for almost 1 year. I could not bear to see his face and the millions of brainwashed koolaid drinkers partying like they’d just won the lottery. I could not help but think “that could have and should have been us “Hillarycrats.”

    Yesterday I inadvertedly heard someone on TV say Hillary was being considered for Secretary of State and I thought “you know what? That’s the least that clown could do to make it right with me and millions of Hillary supporters.” For the first time I found myself being able to look at his face on TV!

    I feel that selecting Hillary as Secretary of State would be good for the following reasons:

    1- Hillary brings instant credibility to the office

    2- She is well liked (almost as much as Bill), known and respected around the world; millions of women look up to her here and abroad.

    3- She would be in a position to influence foreign policy- perhaps even more than Obama.

    4- This would be a slap in the face of Clinton haters..yes, that includes the corrupt MSM. Wonder if Chris Matthews will feel chills up his spine lol?

    5- She would be well positioned to take over the mantle in 2016!

    So if Obambi grows a pair and makes this move..he will have earned my respect, gratitude and admiration!

    p.s

    He owes Hillary and “us” this much!

  20. Heard on Foxnews they are floating Mccains name also.

    Setting up a landslide for 2012
    This guy is always thinking about his next conquest.
    Im telling you it is just like the Atwater special on Frontline no sooner had Bush 41 won Atwater was thinking about 1992 and how he could destroy Clinton the next opposition.
    This guy is setting up 2012.
    Hillary Secretary of State
    MCcain Secratary of Defense
    Hmmmmmm=no opposition.
    Crossed the aisle he wants every vote next time.

  21. Hi Hillfriends, I think I may be in the minority with CTV regarding if Hillary is offered and accepts Secretary of State…I agree with Admin and those that are suspicious of O, as am I…but my faith in Hill and her intelligence and the chance for her to be our Diplomatic voice NOW…at this time in history…would also be HISTORIC, INSPIRING, and I believe REASSURING to many Hill supporters and people in the world…Hillary’s cache, articulation, maturity, experience, personal integrity and strength of purpose could be so instrumental at this critical time as so many in the world are ready to turn the corner towards peace and some kind of understanding…

    …call me an idealist or naive…but I honestly believe that so much of the world wanted Hillary back on the world stage and she would be fantastic…

    …her voice and presence is so needed…because of the way the senate is set up I think her health care influence will be sidetracked by kennedy and the seniority thing in the senate…Hillary, by nature, could make a mark for herself as SOS and she would be an amazing voice for women…

  22. I saw during lunch on the tv at the Santa Fe Burrito joint a news note that “McCain invited to Chicago by Obama”.

    I’m starting to get the picture. These aren’t “invites” to “find common ground”… Obama wants to wave his dick in their faces (Hillary, McCain), “I won, nyah, nyah, nyah nyah”. Of course he’ll dress it up as “Let’s talk about what we can do together…”, but the subtext is that

    I am in Control, You are Hereby Summoned to Appear before the King.

    The King’s court is Chicago. The Democrats will realize too late that they have given too much power to this charlatan, and then there will be nothing they can do about it.

    “Nancy, Thanks you for your service. Now git”.

    “Harry, we’re going to go in a ‘new direction’, but gee, it’s been real”.

    “Byrd, you’re too old. This is a young man’s game, so we’ll give it to the spry 84 year old Inyoa” (forgive my horrible spelling attempt).

    And just like we’ve had the Western White House with Reagan and W., here comes the Chicago WH. I wonder how he’s going to clear wood in Chicago?

  23. Neither McCain nor Hillary shouldn’t accept any position in that very toxic administration!!!! If they do, that will be the last straw for both of them in my opinion of them. I am a little upset at McCain for not squashing the Sarah Palin rumors and Hillary’s continuous support of the toxic Obama.

    There is nothing Obama can do to win me over. He is too toxic, and will back stab the both of them. I think that he is just trying to get the remaining Hillary supporters over to his side and then he will backstab everyone.

    He may bamboozle some, but he definitely not going to bamboozle me!!

  24. I think it may be a good idea that Hillary is going to become SOS. Hillary won’t have a voice in senate with a democratic majority. She will be more visible if she is SOS and in better position for 2016.

  25. With all of this Hillary talk of being part of an Obama administration, I am liking Sarah Palin more and more.

  26. Isn’t there any other news out there than maybe, she could be, she couldn’t be, she won’t be, she will be?

    Something tells me that there are an awful lot of watchers out there just laughing their heads off about this.

  27. OBAMA ASKS MORE OF OTHERS THAN HE DOES OF HIMSELF. DUH.

    …More fun stuff from NQ:

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/13/would-barack-obama-hire-barack-obama/

    Would Barack Obama Hire Barack Obama?

    By Larry JohnsoncloseAuthor:

    Barack Obama is Jewish. Who knew? How else to explain today’s demonstration of chutzpah in action. (For the goyim among us, “chutzpah” in Hebrew is used indignantly, to describe someone who has over-stepped the boundaries of accepted behavior with no shame.) What am I talking about? Did you see the application that Barack is requiring prospective workers in his Administration to fill out. According to the NY Times:

    A seven-page questionnaire being sent by the office of President-elect Barack Obama to those seeking cabinet and other high-ranking posts may be the most extensive — some say invasive — application ever.

    The questionnaire includes 63 requests for personal and professional records, some covering applicants’ spouses and grown children as well, that are forcing job-seekers to rummage from basements to attics, in shoe boxes, diaries and computer archives to document both their achievements and missteps.

    Only the smallest details are excluded; traffic tickets carrying fines of less than $50 need not be reported, the application says. Applicants are asked whether they or anyone in their family owns a gun. They must include any e-mail that might embarrass the president-elect, along with any blog posts and links to their Facebook pages.

    The application also asks applicants to “please list all aliases or ‘handles’ you have used to communicate on the Internet.”

    The vetting process for executive branch jobs has been onerous for decades, with each incoming administration erecting new barriers in an effort to avoid the mistakes of the past, or the controversies of the present. It is typically updated to reflect technological change (there was no Facebook the last time a new president came to town).

    But Mr. Obama has elevated the vetting even beyond what might have been expected, especially when it comes to applicants’ family members, in a reflection of his campaign rhetoric against lobbying and the back-scratching, self-serving ways of Washington.

    As a first start, let’s ask Barack to fill out one of these.

    Here’s the link for the pdf version (could this possibly be a hoax? can they really be this obtuse?).

    Let’s find out what his grades were in college. Let’s find out when and why he changed his name from Barry to Barack. This would certainly put to rest the furor in some sectors over the still missing certificate of live birth. You got to admit that this is a funny as hell chutzpah moment.

  28. Having said this, Hillary also said (as she did for the VP spot) that she would take the job [Sec of State] if asked.
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    Oh, ouch, I hope not. Where did she say she would take SOS if asked? I thought she had lately strongly turned down anything except her current job.

    There were a lot of pressures on her to take the VP job, but nothing comparable to take the SOS (or anything else) now.

  29. From my post a couple of minutes ago, i noticed this little gem:

    The application also asks applicants to “please list all aliases or ‘handles’ you have used to communicate on the Internet.”

    “Hmmm. Barry Soetoro, Barrack Obama, Barrack Dunham, I don’t know if I should put down any of my aliases..”

  30. Heard on Foxnews they are floating Mccains name also.

    Setting up a landslide for 2012
    This guy is always thinking about his next conquest.
    Im telling you it is just like the Atwater special on Frontline no sooner had Bush 41 won Atwater was thinking about 1992 and how he could destroy Clinton the next opposition.
    This guy is setting up 2012.
    Hillary Secretary of State
    MCcain Secratary of Defense
    Hmmmmmm=no opposition.
    Crossed the aisle he wants every vote next time
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    Hitler predicted the thousand year reich. The parallel here is apt. Dark night of the soul. Must go through it to get to the other side. Old illusions will vanish. I asked how far til we reach a bottom. The answer was OCD. The ultimate question is who we are as a people. It is not Hillary and not Bambi. No messiahs. Just a journey. I have some new prophesies. I will post when I get permission. Cheers.

  31. Admin, good work as always.

    Remember the NC teacher that grilled her students about who they were pulling for in the election, and tormented a girl whose father was in the military and she said she was pulling for McCain.
    Well, I received an email from the J. Atkinson, the State Supinintendent. It was a form letter whereby she thanked me for the email, said it was beign investigated and said it was essentially a local matter.
    I don’t thinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnk. So, local matters that affect any American student is everybody’s business when it goes viral. If they were concerned about keeping it local; they should have taken immediate action against this teacher who IMHO acted unprofessionally and unethically; and, she may have traumatized that girl for life.
    Here is the official response from the system:
    Superintendent’s Response To YouTube Video
    Ø Back

    I was shocked when I saw the clip of an interaction between a Cumberland County Schools teacher and her students as posted on YouTube. While neutral discussion of the political process is appropriate, at no time, particularly with elementary students, should a teacher infuse his/her political views into the discussion. Most disconcerting was the military slant that made its way into this discussion. We are a military community, serving over 15,000 military students and their families. We value the sacrifices, not only of the military parents but also those of their families.

    We believe that military children are our children, military spouses are many of our employees, and military service men and women are our heroes. We proudly serve our military children and have received national awards for our support of military families.

    I was particularly disturbed to see the uncomfortable position in which our children were placed due to the inappropriate actions of one of our teachers. Please be assured that the actions exhibited in this video are not consistent with the vision of the CCS. Moreover, the actions of one teacher do not represent the 7000 employees in our organization.

    Once the video was brought to my attention, I immediately launched an investigation. Personnel laws prevent me from releasing information regarding individual employees and personnel action taken. I can assure you that upon completion of the investigation, I will take appropriate action.

    Dr. William Harrison
    CCS Superintendent View Video Response

  32. Our goal is to be the fire keeper so the embers of democracy glow through the dark night of the soul under obama. He will not respect the traditional values of the party. He is moving this country toward dictatorship. The discussions now under way contemplate a retroactive tax on IRAs, 401(k)s, Roths equal to 10%of their value. Serious fines if not paid. He will take over some of our large businesses to save them from bankruptcy and in marxist terms government will take over the means of production. Government will be used to silence dissent. Act 2 will be ugly.

  33. BROOKS: OBAMA FLOATS POLICIES HE KEPT HIDDEN DURING THE CAMPAIGN

    Bailout to Nowhere
    By David Brooks
    Published: November 14, 2008

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/opinion/14brooks.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

    Not so long ago, corporate giants with names like PanAm, ITT and Montgomery Ward roamed the earth. They faded and were replaced by new companies with names like Microsoft, Southwest Airlines and Target. The U.S. became famous for this pattern of decay and new growth. Over time, American government built a bigger safety net so workers could survive the vicissitudes of this creative destruction — with unemployment insurance and soon, one hopes, health care security. But the government has generally not interfered in the dynamic process itself, which is the source of the country’s prosperity.

    But this, apparently, is about to change. Democrats from Barack Obama to Nancy Pelosi want to grant immortality to General Motors, Chrysler and Ford. They have decided to follow an earlier $25 billion loan with a $50 billion bailout, which would inevitably be followed by more billions later, because if these companies are not permitted to go bankrupt now, they never will be.

    This is a different sort of endeavor than the $750 billion bailout of Wall Street. That money was used to save the financial system itself. It was used to save the capital markets on which the process of creative destruction depends.

    Granting immortality to Detroit’s Big Three does not enhance creative destruction. It retards it. It crosses a line, a bright line. It is not about saving a system; there will still be cars made and sold in America. It is about saving politically powerful corporations. A Detroit bailout would set a precedent for every single politically connected corporation in America. There already is a long line of lobbyists bidding for federal money. If Detroit gets money, then everyone would have a case. After all, are the employees of Circuit City or the newspaper industry inferior to the employees of Chrysler?

    It is all a reminder that the biggest threat to a healthy economy is not the socialists of campaign lore. It’s C.E.O.’s. It’s politically powerful crony capitalists who use their influence to create a stagnant corporate welfare state.

    If ever the market has rendered a just verdict, it is the one rendered on G.M. and Chrysler. These companies are not innocent victims of this crisis. To read the expert literature on these companies is to read a long litany of miscalculation. Some experts mention the management blunders, some the union contracts and the legacy costs, some the years of poor car design and some the entrenched corporate cultures.

    There seems to be no one who believes the companies are viable without radical change. A federal cash infusion will not infuse wisdom into management. It will not reduce labor costs. It will not attract talented new employees. As Megan McArdle of The Atlantic wittily put it, “Working for the Big Three magically combines vast corporate bureaucracy and job insecurity in one completely unattractive package.”

    In short, a bailout will not solve anything — just postpone things. If this goes through, Big Three executives will make decisions knowing that whatever happens, Uncle Sam will bail them out — just like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. In the meantime, capital that could have gone to successful companies and programs will be directed toward companies with a history of using it badly.

    The second part of Obama’s plan is the creation of an auto czar with vague duties. Other smart people have called for such a czar to reorganize the companies and force the companies to fully embrace green technology and other good things.

    That would be great, but if Obama was such a fervent believer in the Chinese model of all-powerful technocrats, he should have mentioned it during the campaign. Are we really to believe there exists a czar omniscient, omnipotent and beneficent enough to know how to fix the Big Three? Who is this deity? Are we to believe that political influence will miraculously disappear, that the czar would have absolute power over unions, management, Congress and the White House? Please.

    This is an excruciatingly hard call. A case could be made for keeping the Big Three afloat as a jobs program until the economy gets better and then letting them go bankrupt. But the most persuasive experts argue that bankruptcy is the least horrible option. Airline, steel and retail companies have gone through bankruptcy proceedings and adjusted. It would be a less politically tainted process. Government could use that $50 billion — and more — to help the workers who are going to be displaced no matter what.

    But the larger principle is over the nature of America’s political system. Is this country going to slide into progressive corporatism, a merger of corporate and federal power that will inevitably stifle competition, empower corporate and federal bureaucrats and protect entrenched interests? Or is the U.S. going to stick with its historic model: Helping workers weather the storms of a dynamic economy, but preserving the dynamism that is the core of the country’s success.

  34. There is nothing Obama can do to win me over. He is too toxic, and will back stab the both of them. I think that he is just trying to get the remaining Hillary supporters over to his side and then he will backstab everyone.
    ——————————————
    He is worse than you think.

  35. To be sure, as Obama unleashes policy after policy that the left or right find unacceptable, there will be ample criticism.

    From right wingers, “McCain would never have done ________”

    From centrists, “We could have had Hillary”

    From lefties, “We thought we were going to get Obama. I don’t know who this guy in the White House is. This is starting to look more like Bush: corporate welfare, continued spying, and geez, what ever happened to pulling out of Iraq???”

  36. wbboei,

    whoever is the president in the next four years will be one term. the ecomomic will not be any better any time soon. just like 1976-1980 or 1988-1992. The party in charge will be blamed. However, with Hillary be SOS, USA standing in the world will be improve and Hillary will get credit. it will be good for the country and good for Hillary.

  37. I see Dems and Dem congress and, Obama dragged down by the domestic situation – he may become the next Hoover
    ———————————————
    Count: you have got the first letter right: H. As in the Bohemian corporal. One year from now more people will see I was right. This thing is much more serious than I realized even a month ago. The law I normally live by is try the benign explanation first. Here that is impossible. Most people do not see the forest for the trees. It was like that in Weimar Germany as well. But that is why it is so important to keep our community together. Yesterday my barber told me I will love Obama in two years. I told him it is a good thing for him that he is a good barber.

  38. US CHOOSES NEWBIE. RUSSIA TO BRING “VETERAN” OUT OF RETIREMENT?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/07/world/europe/07putin.html

    Medvedev Speech Sparks Rumor of Putin’s Return

    By ELLEN BARRY
    Published: November 6, 2008
    MOSCOW — President Dmitri A. Medvedev’s state of the nation address went on for 85 minutes and contained more than 8,000 words, but the section that prompted the most chatter on Thursday was a single sentence, the one that proposed lengthening the Russian president’s term to six years from four.

    The proposal in the televised speech on Wednesday sounded odd, coming from a man just six months into his first term, and he offered little insight into his motive. It has led to rumors that Mr. Medvedev was laying the groundwork for his mentor, Vladimir V. Putin, the former two-term president who is now prime minister, to return as president, perhaps as early as next year.

    Thursday’s issue of Vedomosti, a respected financial daily newspaper, fleshed out this theory in all its conspiratorial glory. Citing an unnamed source close to the presidential administration, Vedomosti reported that Mr. Putin intentionally placed Mr. Medvedev in the presidency “to carry out the necessary constitutional changes and unpopular reforms for Putin to then return to the Kremlin for longer.” The newspaper theorized that Mr. Medvedev would resign and call for a presidential election in 2009.

    Dmitri Peskov, a spokesman for Mr. Putin, called the report “nothing more than the speculation of a newspaper.”

    “Mr. Medvedev is in the initial stage of his presidency,” he said. “Now is not the time to think about the next presidency in Russia. We still have a long time to go and lots of things to do.”

    Asked whether Mr. Putin intended to run for a third term, he said, “Consider a question to anyone in Washington whether Mr. Obama will run for another term.” Russian presidents are allowed to serve no more than two consecutive terms.

    In his speech on Wednesday, Mr. Medvedev said he would like to amend the Constitution to lengthen the presidential term to six years and the term of Duma deputies to five years. He noted that such changes had been discussed by leaders in Moscow since the 1990s.

    Kremlin officials said later in the day that the change would not apply to incumbents.

    A bill will likely be submitted to the State Duma, the lower house of Parliament, within the next two weeks, Boris Gryzlov, the body’s chairman, told the Interfax news agency on Thursday. To pass, it must be approved by two-thirds of the State Duma, three-quarters of the Federation Council and two-thirds of Russia’s local assemblies.

    The proposal provoked a tumult of commentary.

    “It’s clear to me that the change was done for the benefit of clan, or class, or group interests, and against the interests of Russia, because what Russia needs is change,” wrote Dmitri Oreshkin, a political scientist, on the Web site Grani.ru. “We have become involved in the process of global change, and if we lag behind, we will turn into a stagnant backwater. Not even a backwater — a wildlife sanctuary.”

    Alexander Rahr, a Russia expert at the German Council on Foreign Relations, said the notion of Mr. Putin’s return had been discussed openly, with some theorizing that Mr. Putin had wanted to stay on without amending the Constitution himself. If Mr. Medvedev makes the change, “it is more clean, because it’s another president proposing this, not himself,” Mr. Rahr said.

  39. Medvedev Speech Sparks Rumor of Putin’s Return

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/07/world/europe/07putin.html

    (excerpt)

    By ELLEN BARRY
    Published: November 6, 2008
    MOSCOW — President Dmitri A. Medvedev’s state of the nation address went on for 85 minutes and contained more than 8,000 words, but the section that prompted the most chatter on Thursday was a single sentence, the one that proposed lengthening the Russian president’s term to six years from four.

    The proposal in the televised speech on Wednesday sounded odd, coming from a man just six months into his first term, and he offered little insight into his motive. It has led to rumors that Mr. Medvedev was laying the groundwork for his mentor, Vladimir V. Putin, the former two-term president who is now prime minister, to return as president, perhaps as early as next year.

  40. meiyingsu Says:

    November 14th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
    wbboei,

    whoever is the president in the next four years will be one term. the ecomomic will not be any better any time soon. just like 1976-1980 or 1988-1992. The party in charge will be blamed. However, with Hillary be SOS, USA standing in the world will be improve and Hillary will get credit. it will be good for the country and good for Hillary.
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    I know. I would have said the same thing a month ago. It is conventional thinking. But these are unconventional times. And the man we are talking about here will prove to be a dictator. And the pattern of history has been that dictators do not give up power voluntarily.

  41. Canaan, here’s what Kos is saying today, about Dean, at:

    Dumbest argument ever made
    by kos
    Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 10:30:04 AM PST
    This might or might not be true. I sincerely hope it isn’t.

    $$$$$$$$
    Democratic National Chairman Howard Dean is not a serious contender to be secretary of health and human services in the new Obama administration, sources said.

    Dean’s name has appeared on short lists for the Cabinet post circulating throughout Washington, based largely on his party chairmanship and career as a doctor. Dean also passed health care reforms while governor of Vermont. And his allies said the Obama transition team has had some informal discussions with him about the job.

    But the chief attributes President-elect Barack Obama is seeking in his HHS secretary will be an ability to work with members of Congress and shepherd reform legislation through the House and Senate.

    That job description has turned out to be a particularly ill-suited one for Dean, given his partisan background and lack of congressional experience, sources inside and outside the transition offices say.

    Dean never served in Congress and spent his Washington career trying to thin the ranks of congressional Republicans that the Obama White House will need to court during the expected debate on health care reform.
    $$$$$$$$$$$

    Boy, I hope Rahm Emanuel doesn’t get a position in the administration, given that he was chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and spent a chunk of the last four years helping thin the ranks of Republicans in the House (and did a nice job of it, too!).

    Oh, wait…

    If Obama wants someone like Daschle to head up Health and Human Services because Daschle has Hill experience, that’s one thing. But if the standard is now “partisanship”, then Rahm better resign ASAP, because there are few dudes more partisan in Washington than Rahm.

    In that questionnaire the transition team has for prospective administration employees, they might as well add another one: “Have you ever given money to a candidate for office attempting to thin the ranks of Republicans in office?” Who knew that engaging in the electoral process was now a bad thing?

    Howard Dean helped pave the way for Obama’s victory, as well as for the increased majorities in Congress and governorships. I don’t give Howard all the credit — our current majorities are the result of a lot of hard work by a lot of people (you included) — but it’s beyond question that Dean was a major factor. Even his fiercest critics are admitting it. So to now penalize him for his success (assuming he wants HSS and assuming this article is correct) would be ridiculous.

    I really hope the report isn’t true.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    Well, you wanted to know what Kos is up to…

  42. wbboei Says:

    November 14th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
    I see Dems and Dem congress and, Obama dragged down by the domestic situation – he may become the next Hoover
    ———————————————
    Yesterday my barber told me I will love Obama in two years. I told him it is a good thing for him that he is a good barber.

    LOL!!!!!!! I am really feeling ya wbboei 🙂

    Hillary better not be SOS!!!! Let Obama go down in flames all by himself.

  43. Things I agree with here:
    -Obama will become a dictator and will not relinquish power
    -how long the Obamanationals stay happy with him is questionable, but he will not allow dissent
    -Hillary, John McCain, and Joe Lieberman would be great in the Senate working with the up and comers like PALIN, Jindal, Crist, etc….I so hope that happens with Palin as I think she will be in the Senate before long in order to get GRAVITAS that the media so strongly says she lacks.
    -it would be good to have the quality of a person in the position of SOS, but that position serves at the pleasure of the President – and we all KNOW that Obama would want to be rid of Hillary more than anyone else that he wants to get rid of. She would quickly be tortured and eliminated. Under any other President that would be a wonderful post for her, but not this President Select.
    -Obama believes that others should do as he says and not as he does
    -it does not matter if Obama burns and crashes, he will NOT leave or be ousted out of the office he has been selected for.

    And it would be so nice if Hillary, herself, would come out and tell us, her supporters, what she would like and where she would like to go from here.
    I, for one, am all for her staying in the Senate where she can be a constant reminder and thorn in the side of Obama.

  44. Amen, ShortTermer.

    I agree with 100% of what you said. Under any OTHER president the SOS position would be good for Hillary. The people that you mentioned, I would like to see them stay in the senate too and for them to give the senate hell and remain a constant thorn in their side. You just made my day with your post. Thanks!

  45. “MR. POST-PARTISAN”?

    More from our “favorite site”, Kos:

    Obama refuses call from Lieberman
    by kos
    Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 09:09:50 AM PST
    Doesn’t sound like Barack Obama is being that conciliatory to Joe Lieberman:

    Sen. Joe Lieberman has reached out to President-elect Barack Obama and Vice President-elect Joe Biden to arrange a congratulatory phone call, a Democratic aide tells The Crypt. The effort has led to a recent conversation between Biden and Lieberman.

    So Lieberman called Obama to congratulate him (and suck up to try and save his committee chairmanship), and Obama hands him off to Biden.

    It’s not as if Obama is blowing off his Senate colleagues. He’s even called Republicans.

    Then he added: “Again [Obama is] making some calls to Congress ….one of the calls he made while we were on the tarmac here was to Sen. Lugar who he obviously has had a relationship with since coming to the Senate and he’s you know starting to call members of Congress.

    “To Lugar?” he was asked.

    Gibbs: “He made three calls one of them was to Lugar.”

    Don’t read anything into this, an Obama aide said tonight, other than the fact that Obama is bipartisan in his telephonic conferences.

    So he’s reaching out to key Senators, yet when Lieberman calls, he’s handed off to Biden?

    Doesn’t sound like Obama doesn’t hold grudges.

    Senate Republicans are still trying to blame Obama for sabotaging efforts to strip Lieberman of his chairmanship, but reality is, the Senate can decide for themselves. It just seems that they can’t escape their cycle of capitulation.

  46. No way should Hillary take SOS. In any other campaign, she’d be POTUS. I don’t forgive and forget so quickly. I don’t want to see him in control of her future. Let him go down on his own and Hillary can go against him…forewarned to his thug abilities, next time.

  47. Secretary of State? What does Hillary do if after a few months, some disagreement about this or that, and Obama says, “I’m sorry, it’s not working out”. Then she’ll wish she had kept “her day job”.

    Besides, “Go meet without preconditions with Whack Jobs 1, 2, and 3”.

    Hillary, dear friend, keep far away from the Obama administration. Those who are farthest away from it when it implodes will be safest.

    Good luck, Mr. Biden!
    Hey Rahm, don’t forget your Shit Helmet.

  48. I think that O is looking at Hillary for SOS and some other Clintonite for Treasury so that he has someone to blame when it all goes wrong. If it doesn’t, he gets the credit.

    At any rate, when the econ starts bottoming out, and the Iraq war starts to end, he will fire them and credit the ‘new team’ for success.

    I do hope Hill stays in the Senatefor now.

  49. I am old enough to remember a time when unions struck companies, and it happened when one side or the other decided to try and change the fundamental balance of power in the bargaining relationship. We are dealing with the same kind of thing here but again most people do not see it. They underestimate what is occurring here and it will get worse when he has his reichstag fire. The man is not well hinged. Time will show that to be true but few people can accept it now.

  50. SOS is only a gofer with a note just as a point man in a patrol to lead the way however they draw fire that can be deadly.In this case Obama would come out of a diplomatic failure smelling like roses and make her a patsy with a note.I will accept any thing that Hillary decides to do.Does anyone know anyone smarter than our girl when it comes to political saavy.She will never allow herself to be marginalized and set-up by the would be commander in Thief. Condoleeza WHO?

    By ABM90

  51. freckles wbboei

    I agree that taking over as President in this situation is a risky venture for the most brillant person. If the turn around does not happen quickly, or heaven forbid, it gets worse, you are toast in 4 years. In addtion, you want to take over when things are just swinging up. Right now, I am not sure that is true. We have a lot of areas to collapse in this cycle. People are now losing their cars. I don’t thnk we have hit the bottom of the barrel. Let us face it, if he cuts the military the way he has stated, the contractors related to those areas will begin another round of layoffs.

    The economy is a delicate environment in which even the experts are not sure what to do. The last Feds person just admitted he help screw it up. So tell me, how will O figure this out, if the experts we have had in the past have screwed it up. It is going to be interesting. Our dollar is very weak overseas, and there are not the things in this country that hae helped up stablilze ourselves in the past. Why too much is now manufactured overseas, and our economy is becoming very services based.

    What don’t you buy in a downturn? Services.

  52. Oh my, ABM90!

    Can I just repeat how much I love your writing!
    I will accept any thing that Hillary decides to do.Does anyone know anyone smarter than our girl when it comes to political saavy.She will never allow herself to be marginalized and set-up by the would be commander in Thief.”

    Bravo!

  53. Details on Hillary-Barack Meeting
    November 14, 2008 5:08 PM

    ABC News’ Martha Raddatz reports: President-elect Barack Obama met with Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., Thursday in Chicago to discuss the possibility of the senator becoming secretary of state.

    A source with knowledge of the transition process describes the meeting as not a hard offer. Obama is more cautious than that.

    He is doing this more elegantly, but a source said Obama took a big step toward Hillary. They had a long private meeting in which they talked about their philosophies and what had transpired during the campaign.

    He was extremely respectful, saying she was great, and giving her a huge amount of support. He said that he knew how much she cared about health care but said there are other challenges, and wanted to reach out to her about secretary of state.

    They were both cautious but again took a big step toward her. She reciprocated.

    Obama does not want to be seen as being rejected by her, but it is “hers to turn down,” one source put it.

    They have an agreement to have another meeting or phone conversation about this very soon.

  54. Well, I see someone is now posting under “Blue”, and that’s not me, so I’m not sure if you guys in the prior thread were saying hello and responding to me or not.

    Seems many here are against the Hill as SOS idea, but I have to tell you the way I see it, it’s like you guys are still fighting the campaign without recognizing it was Hillary’s decision not to go to Denver and fight the absurdity against her.
    And it was her campaigning all out for Bo that obviously wasn’t some kind of act but rather a recognition that – based on her decision not to fight for the nomination – she would instead do what she said she would do, which was do everything she could to get BO elected.

    Rather than view her taking or not taking SOS based on Machiaveliian maneuvers for 2012 or 2016, it might be best to view them as her actions dictate – which is that she’s playing for the team – scumbags though they certainly may be.
    As such, she can do the job and help the country, and there’s no question we need it.

    So I think if you look at it from the perspective of a hard-nosed political professional rather than a rapid supporter, it’s easier to see how it makes sense.
    And sure, as I originally speculated, it’s hard – if not impossible – to image BO & Axelrod scheming to essentially remove her from domestic politics and frequently, American soil.

    But in large part this is where it is because of Hill’s own decision, and if she’s ok with it and can do the job and help the country, then maybe that’s the best thing out there for her.

    Guess we’ll find out soon enough.

  55. Secretary of State and Secretary of the Treasury are by far the two biggest prizes, and the two most crucial positions, in Obama’s cabinet. America (and the world) needs a genius running Treasury, and the same goes for the State Department. At this point in history, we need someone who can restore America’s reputation in the world. Hillary and Bill are rock stars, and having Hillary work on critical issues in the Middle East, with China, Europe, and the rest of the world would be incredible. It would also tee her up nicely for a 2016 run for President, if she wants to run again.

    It sounds like the job is hers if she wants it, and I think she does want it. It will be a fantastic fit.

  56. Blue Democrat,

    I’m taking the view that he is poison and cannot be trusted. If that makes me hardened so be it. I’m not saying she should or shouldn’t take the job, I just think she can be sidelined a lot easier if she does take it as opposed to if she stays in the senate.

    If I’m wrong and Obama honestly wants to play fair with her now, then I think she would make an amazing Secretary of State. His liason with Kennedy, Pelosi, et al makes me think there is more of a power struggle to it than that.jmo

  57. Berkeley,

    Now that you mention it, I might prefer she be Treasury head.

    Anyway, what I was trying to say in my earlier ramble also is that Hillary is now dealing with a President-Elect, whatever she thinks of him personally or of the campaign.
    Exceedingly difficult to say no, though she of course has the weight to do so if she so chooses.

    HuffPost now saying it was offered, so it probably won’t be long.

  58. Jan,

    Ok, look at what you’re saying. You think she’d be amazing but she shouldn’t take it why? Because SHE decided not to fight in Denver?

    That is the reality, no matter how much we may dislike it and hate what was done to her.

    Are we supposed to just keep playing politics forever with everything instead of running the country? That’s why we have republicans.

    The gravity of the situation facing the country has to be No. 1.

    I really believe that’s what’s been driving Hillary to do all this (until we learn otherwise). It’s what she’s said over & over and maybe we should start believing her.

  59. Yeah, makes sense Blue Democrat. I kind of suspect that as brilliant as Hillary is, you really need a PhD in economics to run Treasury. I’m not sure she’d want to do all the necessary bean-counting and ivory-tower analyses required, given how extraordinary her interpersonal / communication skills are.

    So that leaves Secretary of State. We know that Hillary and Madeleine Albright are very close friends, so I’m sure the two of them are having deep discussions about the kind of work involved, pros and cons, etc. as Hillary weighs her options. Albright is already working with Obama, informally, too (see today’s Washington Post). It’s a tough call: be Secretary of State, when a great one is needed, or stay in the Senate? There are serious advantages to either option, which is a good thing. My hunch is that she’ll take it. I bet Kerry and Richardson are not happy campers… heheh.

  60. Berkeley Vox Says:
    November 14th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
    Secretary of State and Secretary of the Treasury are by far the two biggest prizes, and the two most crucial positions, in Obama’s cabinet. America (and the world) needs a genius running Treasury
    ========================

    Yep, such as the genius who ran it for the Clintons in the 90s, Larry Summers. Luckily he’s available and interested, but needs help against the bots and other anti-Clinton people who are smearing him. (Let’s not make bedfellows with the bots and NOW etc.)

    h t t p : / / clintondems.com/2008/11/restore-bill-clintons-secretary-of-the-treasury-larry-summers/

  61. um…Blue Democrat,

    I have absolutely no idea how you got that from what I posted but okay. I’m not fixated on Denver. I could care less at this moment. If you think Obama can be trusted now, fine. I don’t period.

  62. Clinton, Richardson Considered for Obama’s Secretary of State
    Officials said Obama met with Richardson on Friday in Chicago, a day after meeting with Clinton.

    AP

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    WASHINGTON — Democratic officials say President-elect Barack Obama is considering former primary election rivals Hillary Rodham Clinton and Bill Richardson to be his secretary of state.

    The officials said Obama met with Richardson on Friday in Chicago, a day after meeting with Clinton.

    Richardson is the governor of New Mexico and has an extensive foreign policy resume. He was President Clinton’s ambassador to the United Nations and has conducted freelance diplomacy as governor in such hot spots as Sudan and North Korea.

    Both meetings were at Obama’s transition office in Chicago and kept secret until after they were over.

  63. President-elect Barack Obama is naming his longtime friend and supporter Valerie Jarrett to be his White House senior adviser.

    Jarrett, who hired Michelle Obama for a job in the Chicago mayor’s office years ago, is one of the president-elect’s closest friends and advisers. Her name has been floated for several top administration jobs. But Obama settled on the senior adviser role, said a person close to the president-elect and willing to speak only on background because the decision has not been officially announced.

    A White House senior adviser can handle a range of duties. President George W. Bush’s top political aide Karl Rove held the title in the current administration.

    Jarrett has a background in real estate and politics in Chicago.

  64. JanH

    I agree with you. Personelly she might take it as she is such a loyal person, but to me it looks like continuing to live with the man that beat you. Something that women have done for far two long. People elected him, as they thought he had the brains. He does not have the brains. He wants the people he viciously tore apart to now wipe his butt.

    On the other hand, it would serve Bill Richardson and John Kerry to lose out on this position, and she get it over them. But really that does not mean as much to me as she not sleeping with enemy.

    However, Hillary is a loyalists.

    On the we need to take the best welfare of the country at this point, they should have thought about that in 2000, 2004, and 2008 when they vote. This country has now voted in a number of mistakes. It is not up to Hillary or the Clinton entourage to save it.

    It is our Demcracy, and the votes should suffer the consequences of there Kool Aid behavior. Otherwise, we will not learn to select wisely, and and see through the Kool Aid. (It is called tough love)

    In other words, Hillary and the Clinton entourage need to all say NO. The voters are the guardians of the Democracy.

  65. Who is getting the most attention here at home and around the world ? It is Hillary Rodham Clinton.Even those those in the MSM that trashed her with no let up.Buyers Remorse is alive and well and BO is starting to get the scrutiny that he never received.The smell test will expose this odious greenhorn to public contempt and suspicion as he seeks his post as Commander in Thief.

    By ABM90. Hillary what ever you decide I know it will be a heads up decision and there is no one better at political strategy than you and Bill

  66. Here is my two cents. She can take the job of SOS or not. I am done with politics. Its all about i will stab you in the back today and we are friends tomorrow. I worked my tail off and donated during the primary and for what? This election has really opened my eyes. No more party for me, i am now an Independent. I now see that money talks and bull—– walks. It is all about what you can do for me forget about what is good for the country. This country gets what it deserve. Barack, Ayers, etc

  67. LOL…putting Hillary and Richardson on the same list just strikes me as such an oxymoron. She tips the scales with integrity, knowledge, and honesty. He doesn’t even get on the scale.

  68. I am beginning to believe that it is counterproductive for us to wait for Hillary to return to the fold and lead us to the promised land. The sad truth is that day may never come– for any number of reasons.

    Instead, we must turn our attention to the future of our country. Our goal is to preserve a nation which is of the people, by the people and for the people, and the separation of powers bequeathed to us by de Montesquieu. The framers of the Constitution believed in that model of government and the freedom and liberty it preserved for its citizens. In fact, they pledged their lives, fortunes and sacred honor to that end.

    Today, however that model is under direct attack by those who advocate the unitary concept of government. The unitary concept subordinates the will of the people to the power of government and envisions the executive, legislative, judicial branches of government and press all marching in the same direction under the control of a supreme leader with mystical powers. This is not at all what the framers believed in. In fact, it is precisely what they sought to avoid.

    But it is alas what the Obama Administration stands for. It is no accident that his surrogates avoid the word “serve” and use the word “rule”.

    We must recognize what the true legacy of Hillary’s historic campaign is. Yes, she put eighteen million cracks in the glass ceiling and that is indeed important. But that alone is a historical footnote. The great contribution she made to this country was in giving birth to this community and others like it around the country.

    We are the ones who will fight to preserve what we are as a county and to improve upon it. To that end, we see five (5) critical goals to which we should henceforth devote our energies. And if it turns out that Hillary returns to the fold then she will be welcomed back and will reclaim her rightful place as leader.

  69. LOL…putting Hillary and Richardson on the same list just strikes me as such an oxymoron. She tips the scales with integrity, knowledge, and honesty. He doesn’t even get on the scale.
    ==========================================
    the last time he did it registered 300 pounds (of dirty laundry) minus the judas gotee.

  70. From WaPo:

    ————
    Sources said Clinton is now a top contender for the job. Clinton, in an appearance televised live on Friday, said she would not speculate about Obama’s Cabinet selections. Her aides have referred questions about the process to the Obama transition team, whose officials are not commenting. Advisors warn that only a small handful of officials
    know for certain where Clinton ranks on Obama’s short list, which also includes Sen. John F. Kerry of Massachusetts.

    But one Clinton veteran who is in touch with the transition team called it a “real possibility.” Another said she has a “very good chance” of getting the job. Most notably, Obama advisors have done nothing to tamp down speculation about Clinton, as they did when it
    became clear she would not be Obama’s running mate — even though letting her name hang in the air holds real risks for Obama if he ultimately does not select her, potentially reopening the Democratic primary’s wounds.

    Richardson, who served as Energy Secretary and U.N. Ambassador under President Bill Clinton, has long been considered a possible candidate to run the State Department. Richardson angered the Clintons by endorsing Obama on March 21, providing the senator from Illinois a boost in his bid to become the Democratic nominee.

    The mere mention of Clinton’s name raised questions about the advantages — and disadvantages — of selecting his former Democratic rival and former first lady, whom Obama passed over as his vice presidential running mate.

    In an interview on Friday, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), a close confidante of Sen. John McCain’s, said Clinton would be an excellent choice and easily confirmed by the Senate for the post. “I thought she was going to come back to the Senate. Who knows?” Graham said.

    “She’ll easily be confirmed if she gets chosen,” Graham said. “That kinda surprised me, but she wouldn’t be a bad choice at all. If she were chosen, she has the portfolio and the skills that would make her uniquely qualified for the job.”

    A central question is how Clinton would fare in the vetting process. Another is how well her operation, and her husband’s, would blend into an Obama operation that has been famous for its discipline and collegiality. Although Clinton campaigned hard for Obama in the fall, tensions between the two camps remain.

    A third political consideration for Obama is how to handle Kerry, who set Obama’s political career in motion by having him give the keynote address at the Democratic convention in 2004. Kerry is a senior member of th Senate Foreign Relations Committee; Clinton is a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

    When Obama did not pick Clinton over the summer, her advisors complained that he did not even extend her the courtesy of vetting her. But aides to both also said that, during a private meeting after the primaries ended, Clinton had explicitly asked Obama not to vet her — a process that would involve turning over tax returns and opening up her husband’s library and foundation records — unless he intended to choose her.

    At the time, Obama aides said they did not believe Clinton could have survived their rigorous vetting process, in particular because of former president Bill Clinton’s work since leaving office. The question, then, is whether the standards for Secretary of State are lower than for vice president, and whether Clinton is now comfortable turning over her family’s private information.

    To be considered for the post, Clinton, like other contenders for high-ranking executive positions, would have to undergo an onerous and far-reaching process that would force her and her husband to disclose detailed personal and financial records.

    The Obama transition team is requiring that all candidates for Cabinet and other senior positions complete a 63-question application, in addition to an extensive FBI background check before their Senate confirmation hearings, according to an Obama advisor involved in vetting candidates who spoke only on the condition of anonymity, because of the sensitivity of the personnel process.

    The Obama team requires candidates and their spouses to detail their finances and all corporations, partnerships, trusts, business entities, as well as political, civic, social, charitable, educational, professional, fraternal, benevolent or religious organizations they have been involved with during the past 10 years.

    It is unclear whether former president Bill Clinton would be forced to disclose the benefactors of the William Jefferson Clinton Foundation, information that has not previously been made public.

    The Obama questionnaire includes a request to identify any personal financial records that the candidate or spouse “will not release publicly if necessary,” and to “state the reasons for withholding them.”

    Among the other requests demanded of candidates by the Obama team is any e-mail, text message, instant message or diary entry that could “suggest a conflict of interest or be a possible source of embarrassment to you, your family or the president-elect if it were made public.”

  71. from that Wapo article posted by Berkeley Vox:

    Among the other requests demanded of candidates by the Obama team is any e-mail, text message, instant message or diary entry that could “suggest a conflict of interest or be a possible source of embarrassment to you, your family or the president-elect if it were made public.
    *****
    are you kidding – the Clinton campaign staff was probably chatting not so positively about the Rev. Wright connection, Ayers, etc – and rightly so. I certainly hope this isn’t just some way to vet Clinton so he can have at all the dirt they have on him.

  72. wbboei

    I am sorry to disagree with you, but I am patriotic, and I do put my country first. It is the voters that did not put the country first, and I am not sure if this country can be saved. I know you don’t mean it, but it sounds like if HRC does not work for O, does not step in and take a major role, and her husband entourage does not do the same thing they are unpatriotic.

    People voted for the One because HE had the plan, not HRC, and the Clinton group. If they are the ones needed to pull this country out of its tail spin, and put together a plan, they should be voted into office.

    It is like when your kid is put in jail for speeding. It is up to them to take the rape, and serve the time. If you save them, you tell them they never have to follow the rules, and take care of themselves.

    Obama is President, and he needs to implement this fantastic plan HE DOES NOT HAVE.

    He got himself elected, but the question is does he want to do the job. I think he has the job, whether he wants it or not. HRC and the former Clinton administration did not get elected to the Job.

  73. sotonightthatimightsee Says:
    November 14th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    I feel that selecting Hillary as Secretary of State would be good for the following reasons:

    1- Hillary brings instant credibility to the office

    Agreed. This is precisely the reason they are bandying this about. We know that this is not a hard offer. They just want the credibility of Clinton to rub off on their eventual choice. My guess is that he is going to choose somebody who is not as qualified as those names being floated.

    2- She is well liked (almost as much as Bill), known and respected around the world; millions of women look up to her here and abroad.

    Agreed. However, I don’t see this as a reason for Hillary to take it. It is a reason for Obama to offer. Hillary should not waste her political capital on this idiot.

    3- She would be in a position to influence foreign policy- perhaps even more than Obama.

    Disagree. The president sets the foreign policy NOT the Secretary of State. Look at what happened to Condi Rice and Collin Powell

    4- This would be a slap in the face of Clinton haters..yes, that includes the corrupt MSM. Wonder if Chris Matthews will feel chills up his spine lol?

    Not really. All they will see is a Hillary Clinton muzzled and a gracious Barack Obama for offering the SOS to Hillary – as if it is a favor he is giving. In fact, this is how it is being played in the media.

    5- She would be well positioned to take over the mantle in 2016!

    Unlikely. She will be old and she would have had the taint of the Obama administration clinging to her much like what happened to Condi Rice and her relationship with the Bushes.

    So if Obambi grows a pair and makes this move..he will have earned my respect, gratitude and admiration!

    p.s

    He owes Hillary and “us” this much!

    This is not a favor he is bestowing to Hillary. There’s nothing to be grateful about. They are just using Hillary to lend credibility to their eventual choice. IMHO, you are too easily placated. They shat on the Clintons and no cabinet position should make us forget.

  74. Blue Democrat Says:
    November 14th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    Jan,

    Ok, look at what you’re saying. You think she’d be amazing but she shouldn’t take it why? Because SHE decided not to fight in Denver?

    That is the reality, no matter how much we may dislike it and hate what was done to her.

    Are we supposed to just keep playing politics forever with everything instead of running the country? That’s why we have republicans.

    The gravity of the situation facing the country has to be No. 1.

    I really believe that’s what’s been driving Hillary to do all this (until we learn otherwise). It’s what she’s said over & over and maybe we should start believing her.

    I know this was not addressed to me but I feel compelled to answer it. You write as if it is so important for Hillary to accept the post. The truth of the matter is, the Secretary of State post is an administerial job. You do NOT determine policy as Secretary of State. In other words, the policies and the direction will still come from the President. While Hillary would indeed be a very good pick – so would a dozen other candidates. She would be under-utilized in that role.

    The post offers a number of disadvantages to Hillary – not least of which would be the fact that she cannot disagree and also that she serves on the behest of Obama. She will lose tenure as Senator. There is absolutely NO REASON for her to take the spot – why exactly do you want her to get it?

    The fact is, Obama is the one playing politics with this issue. You might not be thinking of 2012 but Obama is. We all know that this is not a hard offer he is giving. He is only offering this to lend a patina of credibility to his eventual choice. He is practically offering it to everyone, for chrissakes. It will be very advantageous for him to get Hillary as SOS but the country and Hillary’s benefit will not be served by her getting the post. She should remain independent in the Senate. She can accomplish more without being tied down with an administerial job that for all appearances will be very politically damaging to anyone. Obama cannot be trusted to keep his promises. He can dump her anytime he wants and for any reason.

  75. I think Senator Clinton would be a great SOS, but she has the potential to do great work in the Senate. It is a tough choice, but I don’t trust BO and his gang of thieves. She maintains her independence, if she remains in the Senate. OTOH, it would be wonderful to see the heads of Kerry and Richardson explode. Kerry would put everyone to sleep, so nothing would get accomplished, except for a snooze fest. Richardson would leave everyone befuddled, since he is circumstantial and tangential in his discussions. What choices.

  76. Remember big media is an extension of the bambi campaign so do not believe this sos stuff. Until I hear different from her, Evan Bayh’s statement is the final word on the subject.

  77. First they go positive. Then they go negative, dissecting every negative reason not to offer her the position. The media does Obama’s work for him. And finally, Obama is off the hook because the people understand, through subliminal suggestion that he should not go forward with picking Hillary.

    LOL…paranoid maybe…but I am sick of the speculation already and it’s only been 24 hrs.

  78. NewMexicoFan Says:

    November 14th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
    wbboei

    I am sorry to disagree with you, but I am patriotic, and I do put my country first. It is the voters that did not put the country first, and I am not sure if this country can be saved. I know you don’t mean it, but it sounds like if HRC does not work for O, does not step in and take a major role, and her husband entourage does not do the same thing they are unpatriotic

    And then I said this at 11:16

    Shriners will tell you that having your ashes placed in a mausoluem is an honor too. I will defer to Hillary’s judgment, but I know what I would tell her if I were asked. She does not to waste her credibility covering his bad debts. Today we are facing three existential threats: the economy, the probability of a terrorist attack on our soil and a third war possibly with Russia. Each has a strategic foreign component which the secretary of state could be influential on. If Bambi was not the Machiavellian prince (pronounced prick) he is this would be a strategic place for her to exert her immense talents for the country. The problem is he is what he is.

    And then I gave him this ringing endorsement:

    I am old enough to remember a time when unions struck companies, and it happened when one side or the other decided to try and change the fundamental balance of power in the bargaining relationship. We are dealing with the same kind of thing here but again most people do not see it. They underestimate what is occurring here and it will get worse when he has his reichstag fire. The man is not well hinged. Time will show that to be true but few people can accept it now

    I would never tell Hillary to take the job out of patriotism. I want her to maintain an independent voice. If I ever say anything that dumb you have my permission to shoot me. And when I come back from the dead I will defend you pro-bono. Our defense will be: BOT-ulism.

    btw: your posting at 6:18 is excellent.

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    New Mexico: you must be referring to someone else. I am on your side. I do not want her to take the position. I think they are pressuring her to take it and I think she should say no.

    Here is what I said on the subject on the second thread of this posting:

    Admin: brilliant. Politically astute. Reality must trump resposibility. You cannot save the country in a dead end job. In addition to what you say, this is a cynical attempt to exploit the contacts Bill has throughout the world. Like Hogan told Sauders when he froze over a 2 foot put which he missed and lost the British Open: Step back . . . . . . get away from it!!!!!!!!!

  79. New Mexico: this top thread did not post. Here is what i said initially:

    Admin: brilliant. Politically astute. Reality must trump resposibility. You cannot save the country in a dead end job. In addition to what you say, this is a cynical attempt to exploit the contacts Bill has throughout the world. Like Hogan told Sauders when he froze over a 2 foot put which he missed and lost the British Open: Step back . . . . . . get away from it!!!!!!!!!

  80. First they go positive. Then they go negative, dissecting every negative reason not to offer her the position. The media does Obama’s work for him. And finally, Obama is off the hook because the people understand, through subliminal suggestion that he should not go forward with picking Hillary.

    LOL…paranoid maybe…but I am sick of the speculation already and it’s only been 24 hrs.
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    like the old saying says: just because you are paranoid doesnt mean they are not out to get you. Hillary needs uber alles to preserve an independent voice–whereever that might be. We are in for a gotterdammerung here and I do not want our girl to get scorched. I promise you will look back on this in exactly one year and you will understand how dictators accumulate power.

  81. wbboei,

    I just remember how crazy it got with the speculation that she would be his v.p. choice.

    I’m going to step away from this topic now. It’s really getting to me.

  82. JanH Says:
    November 14th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
    wbboei,

    I just remember how crazy it got with the speculation that she would be his v.p. choice.

    I’m going to step away from this topic now. It’s really getting to me
    ==================

    Heh. The VP thing in the summer really got to me. I was really scared for her, that she might end up stuck keeping a foolish promise and be VP for years.

    Compared to that, this is no problem. She didn’t promise anything, she’s not under that kind of pressure. I’ll be very surprised if she leaves the Senate, but it will be her current free choice.

  83. They are just doing this as another ruse…to get after Bill Clinton’s library and foundation records. Remember they are asking very detailed questions on each candidate….

    BILL : DO NOT FALL FOR THIS TRAP…

    I will let hillary do what she wants….I am still waiting for her to say something of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd’s role in this financial mess for the fannies….

    Chris Dodd and Obama received campaign donations FROM the AIG Financial maestro who caused AIG’s big disaster in insurance arena by using it as collateral to gamble on the mortgage speculation!!!!

    HILLARY…Please speak up.

  84. I agree with Bayh’s statement…and as far as I am concerned he needs to run against obama in 2012 with the Clinton’s backing him all the way…

    Obama snubbed Bayh for the VP spot and chose an old geezer biden!!!!

  85. The next Sec. of state’s job will be not only intl. relations, intl terrorist threats but also fixing the intl economy!!!!!!

    So who do tehyr trust???? clinton or kerry or richardson!!!!!!!!!!!

  86. The local Dems keep trying to contact me like nothing has happen. Just got an email from the emerge group here which is for Women. I replied, saying I am independent, and that no self respecting women would belong to or support a Party that had behaved in such a sexist manner in the Primary and GE. I also asked to be removed from the list.

    Does anyone have the email from Rothchild about te new women’s group. I cannot find it. Does she have a web site I can go to. Thanks.
    ——————————————
    NMF: I am writing to her as well. Here is the letter with the email address:

    Dear ,

    At the end of this long campaign, I am writing to congratulate and thank you for your steadfast work on behalf of our country. All of us are probably not pleased with the outcome of the election, but we all accept it and will do our individual part to continue to serve the best interest of this nation we love.

    Before we all go back to our day jobs, I am contacting you once again for your help. My personal journey in this campaign has made me painfully aware of two deeply disturbing realities of our political process; namely, partisanship and sexism. These two are not related but both are rampant in our politics and seriously interfere with the progress of our society. I have seen how fundamental principles have been abandoned by our leaders and the media in favor of partisan power and irrational bias. As a result, both of these lethal trends are getting stronger in our body politic My interest in both the partisanship and sexism in the 2008 Presidential election leads me to ponder if there is a role for this site in helping to resolve either issue.

    Perhaps you have completely tired of politics by this point and need a rest. I certainly understand that position. But, in the event that you are energized by what you have experienced, I am using this site to ask you to send me your thoughts on whether we can – or should – try to promote change in our national partisanship and/or rampant sexism. I am particularly interested in knowing your thoughts on how we might address these issues through:

    this website
    existing organizations or websites
    existing articles, presentations or reports (please send them or a link to them)
    interesting individuals from either party who may participate
    any other thoughts and strategies

    Please send me your comments by going to together4us.com and post your ideas in the Comments section. That way they can be viewed by many people and commented on by others.

    And, if you would like to personally be involved in any way in an effort to forge a solution to the corrosive affect of party politics and gender bias, please email me directly at lynn@together4us.com.

    Once again, I want to thank you for everything you did in this election and I am very pleased that in some way our paths have crossed at this time. I trust we will have the opportunity to do some good together in the future……together4us.

    I wish you well.

    Sincerely yours,
    Lynn Forester de Rothschild

  87. BHO does not deserve Hillary

    having said that I am probably the only one that thinks what a absolutely wonderful opportunity it would be for her. Not only holding the most prestigious cabinet position, but the ability to take her message to the world stage on women’s rights and human rights. She is already known internationally and has the wisdom and knowledge to deal effectively with foreign govenments. She will be able to write her ticket even after a short 4 years to anything her heart desires. The presidency will seem like a step down from there.

    I support whatever decision she thinks is best for her.

  88. It’s quite amazing but we can’t really think of anyone who would do a better job of SOS than Hillary — if she is allowed to do it.

    But her real passion is healthcare and other domestic issues and there isn’t anyone who could do a better job there. I say: stay in the Senate — but I’ll support whateer you think best.

    As for the economy, I am amazed that nobody has mentioned the Sherman Anti-trust Act. We have allowed industry to merge and acquire and merge and acquire until every industry is “too big to allow to fail”. We are on our way to one bank, one insurance firm, one car manufacturer. etc.

    I think the auto manufacturers should get not one nickel until they divest. Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac – separate companies. They make it on their own or they die. No banks should be permitted to acquire other banks with our money.

    The same with newspapers, TV stations, oil companies, utilities, etc. It is time for Congress to say no to a merger or acquisition. We are giving our money to companies that will soon be free to charge anything because there will be no competition.

    And BTW, the billions of bonuses that these companies feel compelled to award to their vps who ran their company into the ditch. Where exactly are these execs going to go? It’s disgraceful.

    Hillary has a lot of work to do wherever she lands.

  89. debbie: As the SOS Hillary would have no power whatsoever.She would only be a messenger with a note a strict adherence to BHO ‘s agenda and absolutely no voice of her own in the process.One error one off message remark and the Commander in Thief would publicly humiliate her.Getting her out of the political scene is the Axelrod goal.At this time she is dominating the airways and the MSM is annointing her as thebest and only choice fo SoS.They are waiting for the BO instigated public humiliation that he has planned for her with the help of the DNC
    barbarians.Rest assured debbie she knows how to control these bums and turn the tables on their evil agenda.

    By ABM90 Remember folks he is the Kenyan Candidate and stayed at a Holliday Inn Express once on his way to Chicago

  90. If those of us, who believe in the strength Hillary has, were to have our say, she shouln’t accept any appointment by the Obama adminstration.

    To work in BO cabinet, as SOS or any other portfolio, would be a political suicide for Hillary. She will be 68 in 2012 which is not too old an age to run for president – compared to Mccann’s 72. She still has some chance of becomming president. And nobody knows how things may turn in the near future.

    Anyway, our argument and thinking does not replace her “political correctness” decision.

  91. looks like BHO only uses Hillary to generate news.

    Bill Clinton’s Foreign Affairs May Cost Clinton Chance of Secretary of State
    Bill Clinton’s fundraising for his presidential library and charitable activities could pose a headache for Sen. Clinton — formerly Obama’s fierce political rival — if he selects her for the job.

  92. Admin did Tony Curtis, maybe with Janet Lee make a remake of this film? Ali-bama and the forty thieves? Seems in my memory banks there is something about this.

  93. The Dems and the Reps are the same. They both feel that it does not matter who is elected President or the experience/qualifications. What matters is the party gets control of the country. They think they can staff it, and with that power, they can mandate their agenda. The Dems feel that what they believe in is what is best for the country, but the Reps feel the same way.

    We know how well that all worked 2000-2008. However, our political parties don’t seem to learn from the past. The success of this country is not having the right political party in office at the right time, but the right leader (George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Roosevelt).

    George Washington, who could have been King, but was wise enough to put his country first, Abraham Lincoln, who fought a terrible war among us to give us the equalities today, Roosevelt, who brought us out of a deep depression. The parties are not the same, but the leaders involved made decisions not politically, but nationally. Roosevelt had a hard time even getting nominated by his party.

    Something is wrong with this country when the political parties fail to bring forth true leaders.

  94. my post on the previous thread. i know i’m in the minority here.. 😉

    thoughts on SoS

    one of the main reasons i support(ed) HRC during her run was her astute knowledge and grasp of foreign affairs. the woman is absolutely brilliant. her depth of knowledge cannot be matched and i would trust her, above anyone else, in representing, guiding and protecting this country.
    that said, yes, she would be working for BHO in that capacity, but as we are stuck with him, who else would you rather see at the helm of international affairs?
    HRC is in her prime. This country needs her. I hope she is offered the position.
    i hope she accepts.

  95. I wish I could believe Hillary will be a powerful senator as so many people seem to assume. In my view however those prospects were dashed by the McCain loss. Now everyone in the party is bowing to the Chicago. They are afraid not to.

    In these circumstances the winning side moves to eliminate opposition. If you are on the losing side you find that friends withdraw and enemies report back whatever you say or do in some twisted form to curry favor. You lose your voice.

    It is equally clear that the campaigning she did for this bastard did nothing to ingratiate her to his camp. This was evident in the cheap shot they made to Politico that it is better to have the Clintons inside the camp pissing out, etc.

    In Hillary’s case viability and well being depends on two things: i) his demise–which is no longer imminent, and ii) her ability to find a forum where she can reclaim her voice, and talk seriously about the problems facing this country. That may be the next book she decides to write.

    Whether she can do these things from within the Senate is for me at least an imponderable. But she must try. Never ever give up. I will say it again: she is the best leader of our time.

    This Administration WILL fail because problems facing the country are unavoidable and will cause pain–on his watch. In addition people will realize that they may have voted for a messiah but what they got was a dictator.

    That is when the tide will turn against him but turn it will. At that point we will need a credible alternative. For me and you that alternative is not the Republicans but Hillary. But 2016 is too late. 2012 is her last chance.

    The question is how do we get from where we are today to where we need to be. And in the meantime how do we navigate through a perfect storm with an unstable captain who has never been to sea and a media who cannot read a navigational chart–but thinks they can.

    I’ll be damned if I know.

  96. Personally, the one lesson I learned from this campaign is that wishing it doesn’t make it so. You think that right will overcome wrong and that evil will be trumphed by good. I had rose-colored glasses that made me think that tomorrow the media would do it’s job, that tomorrow Obama and his people would be stripped of their power over everyone.

    I expended so much energy trying to fight the good fight to no avail. Even so, I wasn’t in Hillary’s shoes. I think whatever Hillary decides, she will have covered every possible scenario and no exactly what outcomes to expect. I’m not holding up much hope that the media will hold Obama up to the fire the way they did Hillary, so I guess all that is left is prayer and the few of us who will continue to critique the new government in a fair and unbiased way.

  97. The Dems and the Reps are the same. They both feel that it does not matter who is elected President or the experience/qualifications. What matters is the party gets control of the country. They think they can staff it, and with that power, they can mandate their agenda. The Dems feel that what they believe in is what is best for the country, but the Reps feel the same way.

    We know how well that all worked 2000-2008. However, our political parties don’t seem to learn from the past. The success of this country is not having the right political party in office at the right time, but the right leader (George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Roosevelt).

    George Washington, who could have been King, but was wise enough to put his country first, Abraham Lincoln, who fought a terrible war among us to give us the equalities today, Roosevelt, who brought us out of a deep depression. The parties are not the same, but the leaders involved made decisions not politically, but nationally. Roosevelt had a hard time even getting nominated by his party.

    Something is wrong with this country when the political parties fail to bring forth true leaders.
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    Well put. The only thing I disagree with is the assertion this:

    The Dems feel that what they believe in is what is best for the country, but the Reps feel the same way.

    Oh sure that is what they say. But if you get them in a barroom one on one and really press them after a few stiff drinks you find that they do not care about the country at all and that is the gods truth. In vino veritas.

  98. wbboei What a superb and and complete analysis of what is in store for this country with it’s love fest and the anointment of this stranger that is leading us into snake pit of political and economic impotence that has the world laughing at our Banana Republic future.You are right on about Hillary “The best leader of our time”.The sad part is that with the race card replacing our proud Stars and Stripes the Obama has our elected officials kneeling at his feet and paying homage to a fraud and a cheat that most countries would Try Convict Blindfold and Execute.We must save our country and the choice must be made soon to either Inaugurate or Impeach.Not an easy choice but perhaps the most important one of our lives.

    By ABM90 Thanks to you and Admin and many others that keep us informed and aware

  99. wbboei Says:
    November 15th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    I wish I could believe Hillary will be a powerful senator as so many people seem to assume. In my view however those prospects were dashed by the McCain loss. Now everyone in the party is bowing to the Chicago. They are afraid not to.

    Firstly, the McCain loss doesn’t figure in Hillary’s shoring up her political capital in the Senate. I don’t know how they are even connected. Hillary won with the most votes in the primaries and is still the most popular Senator. Granting, however, without conceding that you are right and that Hillary will be a less powerful Senator – how would Hillary become more influential as SOS? She will lose her independence and make inert any political capital she has gained through the years. She can be made to become a mouthpiece and dumped at any convenient moment. We know Obama has done this a number of times with his supporters – why should he not do the same to an employee?

  100. I think both Hillary and BHO want to improve USA’s relation with the rest of the world. I don’t think BHO appoints Hillary as SOS in order to destroy her. with economic crisis at home, BHO has plenty of things to worry about.

    I happen to think it is good for the country and Hillary if Hillary becomes SOS.

  101. if this Sec of State business is anything more than a rumor, Hillary and we would be better off for her taking it. Beloved Leader would not be able to fire her with impunity — there would be lots of punity considering the now exposed record of their vile behavior during the primary. If His Lordship were to try to discharge her he would have to admit (perhaps for the first time ever) that HE was responsible for a MISTAKE! She would be in a far stronger position than Colin Powell was to differ publically with the president over policy. Hillary would win that battle.
    Besides, we all know that the Senate has become a feckless bloviating club. It is dominated by Claghorns like Biden, poseurs like Lieberman and wretched leaders like Daschle and Reid — all of whom specialize in self promotion and getting very little done.
    For Hillary to go back there after all she has been through would be a letdown. Her voice would likely be lost in the endless prattle and maneuvering the Senate values so much. She has shown that she is in a far better class than those clowns and I would rather that she had a job on the world stage that she deserves so well than go back to arm wrestling with those drones and the K Street wolves.
    The question to ask is just how a person with her experience and intelligence can best be utilized to (a) benefit the country and (b) fulfill her own ambition and goals. My feeling is that any risk she would incur taking on the Sec of State job would be far better for her and us than another period as the junior Senator from NY.
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    Blue: you make a prettty compelling argument.

  102. ABM90: my friend. M and I have been trying to understand what we cannot fathom from the sandpoint of native American prophesy. Here is something I wrote based on what she “sees”.

    “In the Native American tradition, change is life. Every person, family, tribe, and nation will undergo change and transformation. The boundaries of who we are and what we know must disintegrate in order for us to reach our greater potential. Clinging to those boundaries will not deter the forces of change, but will only cause the process to become more painful. The path in this life can be lightened through the relationships we form with family, tribe and nations. Together we can weather any storm and find shelter from the elements that threaten to destroy us. We can stand together as we await the warm winds and sunshine that will once again grace our lives.

    Today the signs of a deep and fast approaching winter are upon us. Those things we have come to rely upon for growth and security are beginning to falter. Many of us are unable to afford health care. The stock market is erratic and many do not have time to recover our life savings should it crash. Our homes, the other primary foundation of our security, have lost value and many will not be able to fulfill our mortgage obligations. We have too much credit card debt. Our major industries are teetering on the brink of collapse. Small businesses are losing their viability. Jobs are being lost at an incredible rate. Another terrorist attack on our soil is probable. Increasing turbulence in international relations may lead to yet another war.

    Fortunately, this election cycle has given birth to a new tribe. We came together in our support of Hillary and stayed together after her well orchestrated defeat by an unholy alliance of Big Media, the DNC and the opposing campaign. We did so despite painful events and huge obstacles. The election is over, but our work has only just begun. We have the energy, creativity and goodness it takes to fulfill an ancient prophecy of my people…the lighting of a new Great Council Fire”.

  103. I started to post something I wrote and decided M’s part was infinitely better–and more appropriate for where we are right now.

  104. rickya Says:

    Firstly, the McCain loss doesn’t figure in Hillary’s shoring up her political capital in the Senate. I don’t know how they are even connected. Hillary won with the most votes in the primaries and is still the most popular Senator. Granting, however, without conceding that you are right and that Hillary will be a less powerful Senator – how would Hillary become more influential as SOS? She will lose her independence and make inert any political capital she has gained through the years. She can be made to become a mouthpiece and dumped at any convenient moment. We know Obama has done this a number of times with his supporters – why should he not do the same to an employee?
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    Just to be clear on what my sentiments are I do not want you to concede to my argument I want you to prove me wrong. I would love to be wrong on this one. But personal experience and my own research argue against it. Perhaps Hillarys celebrity status enoromous talent and the sheer magnitude of the problems will combine to form an exception to the rule. Also, I still keep thinking that we are entitiled to a little bit of luch at this point.

    As to the McCain issue, if he had won Bambis leadership hold on the party would have evaporatd or at least softened. That is what I was getting at. It is also why I spent alot of time trying to educate them, but there is something to the old west saying that you can lead a horse to water but . . . .

  105. Rickya: two more thoughts: first, there is a difference between shoring up political capital and the phenomenon what is going on now–I think; second, I have been against her taking the secretary of state position myself and have stated as much in four separate postings. But please read Blue’s positing above in light of the concern I mentioned and see if it makes sense. In any event I think it is hypothetical because I doubt Bambi is serious.

    Emjay: where are you????

  106. I see one minor (or major) drawback to Hillary accepting the position of SOS. She would have to deal with the very people that stabbed her in the back while addressing the Senate and House oversight committees. UGH!

  107. wbboei,
    wbboei,

    1. Is Hillary Clinton uniquely qualified to become SOS?

    Honest answer – No. There are others that are qualified. And with a Vice President with extensive foreign affairs credentials, the position of SOS will be administerial at best.

    2. Can Hillary Clinton shine as SOS?

    Obviously, she has the experience, talent, charisma and star power that will make her shine wherever she is put. However, as SOS, she is just one of the alter egos of the President. If the Obama administration does well it will be to Obama’s credit, not Hillary’s. If the Obama administration fails, she will be tainted with this failure. She is in a no win situation as SOS.

    3. Can Hillary Clinton differ publically with the Obama administration?

    NO. No matter how much star power she has, she will not be able to do this. The SOS serves the President. Publically differing with the President carries so much political risk that no Secretary of State thinking of a political future will do it.

    4. Can Obama fire her at will?

    Yes. It’s easy, just leak to the press that they are having disagreements with Clinton and that will be the end of it. Clinton doesn’t have a claim to the SOS post. It is hers only by virtue of Obama’s appointment.

    5. Is Clinton’s power based on her being one of the junior Senators?

    No. Her power is based on her winning the nomination and being cheated out of it. Her supporters are the source of her power. She doesn’t need to be recognized by the other Senators for her power to be consolidated. Although, she will be unmatched in the Senate with regard to fundraising prowess. Fund raising for other candidates is one other thing that she won’t be able to do as SOS.

    She doesn’t need the other Senators to be heard. All she has to do is speak and it willl be news.

    6. Will Hillary be able to make a run for it when Obama makes a mess of things as SOS?

    No. She will be tainted with the incompetence and corruption of the Obama administration. No amount of spin can remove this taint.

    7. Is the SOS offer to Clinton serious?

    My take – NO. This is just Obama’s way of increasing the credibility of the eventual choice. It’s like saying, so and so beat Clinton for this post, so he must be a qualified person. I suspect that Obama is going to name someone who is generally regarded as incompetent.

    This is also his way of placating some of the Clinton supporters. Obama: “See how inclusive I am, I even included in my shortlist Clinton who was my top rival.” In fact, this is how it is being sold already in the media.

  108. 1. Is Hillary Clinton uniquely qualified to become SOS?

    Honest answer – No. There are others that are qualified. And with a Vice President with extensive foreign affairs credentials, the position of SOS will be administerial at best.
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    Rikya: I agree. You are right. You have got to take yes for an answer.

    But as you probably know not everyone agrees that Obiden is the cats meeeooow of foreign policy. RecentlyThomas Sowell said this about that:

    Much is made of Senator Joe Biden’s “experience.” But Frederick the Great said that experience matters only when valid conclusions are drawn from it.

    Senator Biden’s “experience” has been a long history of being on the wrong side of issue after issue in foreign policy. He was one of those Senators who voted to pull the plug on financial aid to South Vietnam, which was still defending itself from Communist invaders after the pullout of American troops.

    Biden opposed Ronald Reagan’s military buildup that helped win the Cold War. He opposed the surge in Iraq last year

  109. rickya Says:
    November 15th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
    5. Is Clinton’s power based on her being one of the junior Senators?
    No. Her power is based on her winning the nomination and being cheated out of it. Her supporters are the source of her power.

    ============================

    I agree with all your post except this. Hillary had power and standing above any ‘Junior Senator’ even before she ran for President. Because of her experience and contacts with other Senators as First Lady, she was welcomed to the Senate in 2000 and soon invited to join important committees — and did a good job in them and as Senator from NY overall.

    The 18 million votes and her media coverage in the campaign helped her with the public, but in the Senate she already had almost as much clout as she does now.

    And the fact that HILLARY WOULD HAVE WON BIGGER THAN OBAMA DID will be noticed by the Senators. (And we have to keep shouting itt till everyone knows it! — cite h t t p : / / http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/11/12/politics/horserace/entry4596620.shtml?source=search_story

  110. I just cant seem to convince Tom Sowell that Biden is the foreign policy genius everyone in the media says he is. Just look at the heresy he is spreading just months before the messiah takes office. Utterly disgusting. And utterly true.
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    The fact that Senator Joe Biden has for years listened to all sorts of people testify on all sorts of foreign policy issues tells us nothing about how well he understood the issues.

    As for Senator Obama, his various pronouncements on foreign policy have been as immature as they have been presumptuous.

    He talked publicly about taking military action against Pakistan, one of our few Islamic allies and a nation with nuclear weapons.

    Barack Obama’s first response to the Russian invasion of Georgia was to urge “all sides” to negotiate a cease-fire and take their issues to the United Nations. That is standard liberal talk, which even Obama had second thoughts about, after Senator John McCain gave a more grown-up response.

    We should all have second thoughts about what is, and is not, foreign policy “experience.”

  111. I agree with all your post except this. Hillary had power and standing above any ‘Junior Senator’ even before she ran for President. Because of her experience and contacts with other Senators as First Lady, she was welcomed to the Senate in 2000 and soon invited to join important committees — and did a good job in them and as Senator from NY overall.

    The 18 million votes and her media coverage in the campaign helped her with the public, but in the Senate she already had almost as much clout as she does now.

    And the fact that HILLARY WOULD HAVE WON BIGGER THAN OBAMA DID will be noticed by the Senators. (And we have to keep shouting itt till everyone knows it! — cite h t t p : /
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    turndown: excellent post as always. It is a good rebuttal to what I said, but also suggests the reason why he will now share power with her. The problem thus becomes how best to deal with it. He does not help himself however by vetting her and then turning her down. It reinforces the notion that he is petty and vindictive.

  112. wbboei said to someone: Just to be clear on what my sentiments are I do not want you to concede to my argument I want you to prove me wrong. I would love to be wrong on this one.
    ===================

    About SOS? Why?

    (Sorry for reading thread from the bottom up.)

  113. blue,

    How many ‘Blue’s are there? Another Blue-something says he didn’t post as plain ‘Blue’. Maybe the late-comer should use a different handle? (Welcome btw! 🙂

    As to ‘junior Senator from NY’, Hillary already has more on-paper power (committee appointments etc) than many longterm Senators — plus of course her personal clout (18 million votes, fund-raising record for other candidates, media attention, etc.)

  114. rickya,

    if Hillary stays in senate, she has to vote party line and support BHO. If she doesn’t she will lose democratic base. if she runs in 2016, it will be even harder for her.

    if she accepts SOS, she can do it for four years and then resign and write books and prepare to run in 20016.

  115. About SOS? Why?

    (Sorry for reading thread from the bottom up.)
    ————————————–
    turndown: this was about my earlier posting at 11:14 today.

  116. rickya Says:
    November 15th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    wbboei Says:
    November 15th, 2008 at 11:14 am
    I wish I could believe Hillary will be a powerful senator as so many people seem to assume. In my view however those prospects were dashed by the McCain loss. Now everyone in the party is bowing to the Chicago. They are afraid not to.

    Firstly, the McCain loss doesn’t figure in Hillary’s shoring up her political capital in the Senate. I don’t know how they are even connected. Hillary won with the most votes in the primaries and is still the most popular Senator. Granting, however, without conceding that you are right and that Hillary will be a less powerful Senator – how would Hillary become more influential as SOS? She will lose her independence and make inert any political capital she has gained through the years. She can be made to become a mouthpiece and dumped at any convenient moment. We know Obama has done this a number of times with his supporters – why should he not do the same to an employee?

    ==============

    I agree with Rickya here.

    SOS or any job for Obama would be much worse than staying in the Senate.

  117. I doubt Hillary will ever run again. Let’s face it- She WON the Primary and deserved the nomination. She accomplished her goal, even if she wasn’t awarded the prize. She knows it and can feel gratified because she is the only one she has to please.

    Hillary will be 64 next election. Obama will go another 4 yrs… 2016 at 68?

    Neva happen!

  118. JanH Says: November 15th, 2008 at 11:38 am
    Personally, the one lesson I learned from this campaign is that wishing it doesn’t make it so. You think that right will overcome wrong and that evil will be trumphed by good. I had rose-colored glasses that made me think that tomorrow the media would do it’s job, that tomorrow Obama and his people would be stripped of their power over everyone.
    ======================

    Imo there are a lot of good people who supported Obama because they didn’t know the details. They won’t go along with the bad details when they learn about them.

  119. debbie Says: I see one minor (or major) drawback to Hillary accepting the position of SOS. She would have to deal with the very people that stabbed her in the back while addressing the Senate and House oversight committees. UGH!
    =================

    Good point. SOS gets her out of the Senate and into a position where her enemies can call her in to ‘oversee’ her.

  120. wbboei Says:
    November 15th, 2008 at 11:14 am
    I wish I could believe Hillary will be a powerful senator as so many people seem to assume. In my view however those prospects were dashed by the McCain loss. …. In these circumstances the winning side moves to eliminate opposition. If you are on the losing side you find that friends withdraw and enemies report back whatever you say or do in some twisted form to curry favor. You lose your voice.
    …. In Hillary’s case viability and well being depends on two things: i) his demise–which is no longer imminent, and ii) her ability to find a forum where she can reclaim her voice, and talk seriously about the problems facing this country. That may be the next book she decides to write.
    Whether she can do these things from within the Senate is for me at least an imponderable.

    =====================

    Better from in the Senate than as an employee serving ‘at the pleasure of the President.’

    Even if the best she can hope for is to survive and have some voice — as a servant of BO she would have no chance at all, but in the Senate she has some, and is secure, and in position for any chance that might turn up.

    If Senate = frying pan, cabinet = fire.

  121. freckles Says:
    November 15th, 2008 at 6:49 am
    It’s quite amazing but we can’t really think of anyone who would do a better job of SOS than Hillary — if she is allowed to do it.

    =====================

    Hillary would be the best for almost ALL jobs, including Dogcatcher of NYC. That doesn’t mean the job would be the best for HER.

    I’m sure there are plenty of people qualified for SOS (including Albright or even Rice). Hillary is the only one qualified to be Senator Hillary Lioness of the Senate. (Or perhaps Senate Majority Lleader
    )

  122. How much longer is Senator Clinton going to let herself be publically abused by the little shit?

    a) Float her name in the media.

    b) Send out the unnamed source to trash her and list all the reasons she is the wicked witch of the west.

    Come on, Senator Clinton. Wake up. Smell the roses.

  123. BTW, I think The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers should give SOS to Judas… the most incompetent political mind of my generation.

  124. debbie Says: November 15th, 2008 at 4:17 am
    Not only holding the most prestigious cabinet position, but the ability to take her message to the world stage on women’s rights and human rights. She is already known internationally and has the wisdom and knowledge to deal effectively with foreign govenments.
    ==================

    She already HAS that, from her standing as First Lady and winner of 18 million votes. She has the money and standing to go anywhere and speak about anything and GET PAID FOR IT by the foreign bigwigs.

    If she decided to take time away form her work as Senator, better she buy her own ticket and paint her own insignia on the plane and say whatever she wants to — than go where BO sends her and say what HE tells her to.

    As SOS she could be sent to have tea parties with JJ Jr and whosis on SNL.

  125. This is the same argument on other blogs, such as bitterpolitiz

    I don’t want to see Hillary as SOS, even though we need a very sane and mature person to do this and I have no faith re Kerry, Judas or the other Dimwhats whose names have been thrown around. And what is it with all these leaks? Is there no maturity or credibility in the Fraud’s administration?

  126. The “leaks” are intentional. I now stop reading any news report based on anonymous sources.

    BTW, is anyone getting a chuckle out of the National Organization of Women complaining that women are not being considered for administration positions.

    Too bad they didn’t think of that before they decided to endorse the woman candidate’s opponents. Dumb asses.

    The way the two women candidates were abused by the media his election cycle, there won’t be a woman doing anything in the White House but baking cookies for 100 more years.

    Notice that, even his first joke after election came at the expense of a woman — an 86 year old woman with a broken pelvis. What a guy.

    He’s YOUR guy, National Organization of Women.

  127. If Obama doesn’t ask Hillary Clinton to take the job as Secretary of State and chooses someone like John Kerry (ugh!) or Judas Iscariot (a.k.a. Bill Richardson) instead, I will really be bitter. Hillary worked hard for him and probably made the difference for him in the election.

    Obama’s only chance, with his level of experience, is to surround himself with really good people and listen to them. I am glad that he admires Lincoln, and glad that he read the book “Team of Rivals,” by Doris Kearns Godwin. Now here’s hoping he casts aside the Chicago corruption that got him to where he is, the intimidation tactics that got him where he is, and charts a new course forward.

    It will take FDR and Lincoln all rolled into one to get us out of the messes George W. Bush got us into.

  128. Yeah, hwc, I noticed the appalling swipe at Nancy Reagan too. My husband’s theory is that he couldn’t remember all of the living presidents, so he cooked up a distraction instead. Needless to say, women-hating jokes at our expense always works with the Obama crowd.

  129. Has anyone noticed that the Obama partisans still demonize Hillary and can’t get enough of making fun of Sarah Palin?

    I’ve got a Leftist creep on my blog, iowamars, who thinks he’s smart and just can’t get enough of bashing Hillary, demonizing Palin, and attacking me. Iowa City is not a good place unless you’re a Leftist and a real pig.

    The University of Iowa just had a second professor commit suicide THIS SEMESTER after being sued in federal court for bribery (A’s for sexual favors for women only) and daily sexual harassment; first Arthur Miller, then Mark Weiger.

  130. hwc Says:
    November 15th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
    BTW, is anyone getting a chuckle out of the National Organization of Women complaining that women are not being considered for administration positions.
    ===============

    They might look at the ratio of men/women in the Clinton Administration of the 90s — much higher than any other President’s. (And consider that throughout their admin, the Cliintons kept promoting Larry Summers, supporting him in three different confirmation processes, starting in 1993 as Under Sec, then again as Deputy, then c. 1998 as Secretary. Maybe they knew more about Summers than NOW and NARAL etc know.)

    Most of my pro-Summers material is still at
    h t t p : / / clintondems.com/2008/11/restore-bill-clintons-secretary-of-the-treasury-larry-summers/

    I’m still collecting it, trying to sort it out, and preparing a stand-alone blog to support Summers.

  131. Mrs. Smith Says:

    November 15th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
    I doubt Hillary will ever run again. Let’s face it- She WON the Primary and deserved the nomination. She accomplished her goal, even if she wasn’t awarded the prize. She knows it and can feel gratified because she is the only one she has to please.

    Hillary will be 64 next election. Obama will go another 4 yrs… 2016 at 68?

    Neva happen!
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    Hi Mrs. Smith-

    Have not heard from you for a long time. Like hearing from an old friend. I agree with what you say. The only thing I would add is she won the general election as well based on the exit polling–by 4 points I believe. She won by 11 (52-41) vs Obama 7.

    Her future in 2012 depends on 4 things: how quickly obama tanks, whether she can rebuild the centrist coalition, what happpens to Bill and whether she wants to try again. As remote at that might sound, I think her chances are better than those of Obama in 2012. By then he will be an old man because the next four years will not be beer and skittles. We will be a different country by then.

  132. Better from in the Senate than as an employee serving ‘at the pleasure of the President.’

    Even if the best she can hope for is to survive and have some voice — as a servant of BO she would have no chance at all, but in the Senate she has some, and is secure, and in position for any chance that might turn up.

    If Senate = frying pan, cabinet = fire.
    —————————————
    agreed.

  133. The law of probabiltiy works both ways. During the primary Bambi had alot of good luck and our girl has had more than her share of bad luck. But no winning streak lasts forever. When he takes office and inherits the problems we face the public will give him a pass for six months but after that he will be held accountable. He will then find out what a streak of bad luck looks like and by then her luck should turn. This is the first time in my life I have predicted that a president would fail but in this case how could it be othewise. Having good advisors is not enough.

  134. wbboei Says:
    November 15th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
    This is the first time in my life I have predicted that a president would fail but in this case how could it be othewise. Having good advisors is not enough.
    =================

    As I keep reading in various media, it may be that the economic problems are NOT fixable and things will get worse before they get better. Didn’t Hillary say something like that? That more bad mortgages will hit the breaking point in 2010 and “WE’re now faced with too little too late.”

    Makes to wonder why a smart guy like Summers would still WANT to resume his old Treasury job. Unless he has some smart plan up his sleeve, which is possible. He and the Clinton admin in the 90s pulled off something no one had thought of then.

  135. Let’s not assume that Obama will get re-elected. 4 years from now, who knows where we’ll be? But my guess is that right now, his re-election chances are around 40%, if that.

    For one thing, there is a great deal of anger in the electorate and he will have to turn it around or they will “throw the bums (incumbents) out” again.

  136. Hi wbboei :

    I agree with all you said.. Sure, it’s a risky prop for Hill taking the SOS position. Better than having to face Nancy pulling the strings attached to all your legislation and pulling the rug out from under you at the 11th hr.

    I have the feeling BO is going to treat her well because her accomplishments will reflect on his presidency.

    Good hearing from you…occasionally, I speak to Okieatty… She is a bloody (UK version) riot!

    Anyone concerned about Hillary needs to go here Pumas Unleashed

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