Barack Obama Is A Polish Joke

We all recall WORM – What Obama Really Meant.

During the primary and the general election campaigns Obama said foolish things all the time. Afterwards, the Obama campaign would trot out a paid operative to correct and clean up after Obama. Big Media would join in immediately to help Obama cover up his foolish statement. Big Media and paid campaign operatives would spin the Obama foolish statements and tell us all What Obama Really Meant.

Now the Polish Government is getting the WORM treatment. Obama has become a Polish joke.

According to the Web site of Polish President Lech Kaczynski, in a conversation yesterday between him, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk, and President-elect Barack Obama, the newly-elected American president said “that the anti-missile shield project will be continued.”

Obama also “expressed hope that the political and military cooperation between the two countries will be continued,” the Polish President’s Web site says, per Bloomberg News.

Obama disputes this characterization.

Senior foreign policy adviser Denis McDonough in a statement said, “President-elect had a good conversation with the Polish President and the Polish Prime Minister about the important U.S.-Poland alliance. President Kaczynski raised missile defense but President-elect Obama made no commitment on it. His position is as it was throughout the campaign, that he supports deploying a missile defense system when the technology is proved to be workable.”

In August, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and the Polish government signed an agreement for Poland to host 10 interceptor missiles, but Obama has not been a forceful advocate of this program and Polish leaders are concerned that Obama may ultimately end the project.

“The American administration has changed. Whether the Americans’ decisions will change, we don’t know,” Tusk told the Gazeta Wyborcza newspaper. “If the Americans decide to stop or suspend the project, for example because of financial reasons, we will just accept this information. We can’t build it ourselves.”

Russia opposes such a system, and almost immediately after Obama was elected Russia President Dmitry Medvedev announced plans to put missiles in an area between Poland and Lithuania to “neutralize” the missile defense system.

Instability is a WORM hazzard under the inexperienced, unqualified Obama. The Europeans are worried about the Russians and now they have to worry about WORMy Obama.

In America, the joke this election cycle was on the American voter.

The Post provided a lot of good campaign coverage, but readers have been consistently critical of the lack of probing issues coverage and what they saw as a tilt toward Democrat Barack Obama. My surveys, which ended on Election Day, show that they are right on both counts.

With a long recitation of stories and photos published by the Washington Post, the ineffective ombudsman at the Washington Post proves the bias at the Washington Post. Now that voting is over the ombudsman decides to tell the truth about the bias while praising the Post’s coverage and team.

The very late and useless ombudsman comes up with this amazing revelation:

But Obama deserved tougher scrutiny than he got, especially of his undergraduate years, his start in Chicago and his relationship with Antoin “Tony” Rezko, who was convicted this year of influence-peddling in Chicago. The Post did nothing on Obama’s acknowledged drug use as a teenager.

Newsweek editors after the election declare Obama “creepy” and “manipulative“. Tom Brokaw admits, as Charlie Rose concurs, that they have no idea who this Frankenstein creature from Chicago is. The Post’s ombudsman now finally admits that their prideful election “coverage” was fairly useless.

In early coverage, I wasn’t a big fan of the long-running series called “The Gurus” on consultants and important people in the campaigns. The Post has always prided itself on its political coverage, and profiles of the top dogs were probably well read by political junkies. But I thought the series was of no practical use to readers. While there were some interesting pieces in The Frontrunners series, none of them told me anything about where the candidates stood on any issue.

In Poland Obama is a Polish joke. In America, the joke is on us.

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224 thoughts on “Barack Obama Is A Polish Joke

  1. Half a restoration is better than none. The Clinton cabinet people are PROVEN — just like Hillary and Bill. To reject them and gamble on people who have never held those positions, is an insult to the Clintons — and makes us and the Clintons both look bad.

  2. repeating what I said in the last thread because it is important to some of us women.
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    # pm317 Says:
    November 9th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    We got hard evidence about Summers and his lack of ’social skills’ only in his Harvard tenure which was after BC. What he said there was especially debilitating for women’s progress and especially for women in academia and other high places. There is no reason to give him another platform. There are plenty of other smart people — he is not indispensable.

  3. Admin,

    Thank you for keeping us so informed.

    Turndown,
    To reject them and gamble on people who have never held those positions, is an insult to the Clintons — and makes us and the Clintons both look bad.”

    I disagree. I think the only ones who look bad in this are the DNC, Pelosi, Obama-rat, etc…

  4. “But Obama deserved tougher scrutiny than he got,”….oh dear God, ya think? They are an embarrassment and should tuck their tails (tales!) between their legs and go strictly into entertainment and leave the so called news alone.

  5. This post defines one more reason to believe in Obamath; it is becoming more and more obvious: 44 does equal 43

  6. # pm317 Says:
    November 9th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
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    Summers had enough ‘social skills’ to do a good job in Bill’s Treasury, before and after he was promoted to Secy. Presdient of Harvard requied a different set; IF he was lacking there (or just unpopular with slackers), that’s no reason not to give him his old job back, as Tres Sec.

    His famous speech was as convoluted as some of Gore’s statements, or Palin’s, and may have been misrepresented as theirs were. Sounded to me like he was looking for solutions, trying to prod people to come up with ideas.

    As for a ‘platform’, at Harvard he spoke about academic issues; in the Treasury he spoke, if at all, about economic issues, and will again, God willing.

    We’re Clinton backers, and the country is in trouble. We couldn’t get the experienced Hillary in becasue of woo-woo; let’s at least give her cabinet the benefit of the doubt.

    Who would be more likely to phone the Clintons at 3 am, and understand what they say? Their own old cabinet members — or some woo woo token?

  7. Polish President Lech Kaczynski has learned that believing Obama’s first position on a matter is hazardous to your wealth and health. Obama can never be wrong, for he is on all sides of a subject, at least during the primary.

  8. I don’t care who in the media are now playing catch up to appease their souls and cleanse their sins away. It’s fine to say they didn’t do this or didn’t do that. It’s horrific to say this if they knew all along and still did nothing to change things.

    What I want to know now, is whether it is business as usual, i.e. treating him with kid gloves/sanitizing the news in his favor, or will they once and for all finally do the right thing and expose his weaknesses, his mistakes, his crimes, along with what if anything he does right.

    If they aren’t going to do that, then they can just implode as far as I am concerned. I will still be boycotting them no matter what.

  9. come on You haven’t goy anything better to do- hop on cpan radio and listen to the
    Newsweek’s Election Project 2008
    Luncheon Forum
    at the National Press Club

    we will all learn a lot. If you miss tonight’s rebroadcast, I will repost a link in the morning

  10. I have to tell you that the selection of Clinton people, is like rubbing salt in the wound. He abused her, he said she was likable enough, she won the popular vote, he rigged the convention, and then he uses Clinton people.

    People voted for him to be the decider, not a committee. He Abused, Used, and now uses the entourage. I am sorry, I see nothing of this that gives me comfort.

    What I see is a women getting rapped again, and then turned around and used repeatedly. The one was suppose to have a plan and he has none. I hope that HRC hangs up on him at 3 a.m. and says shove it.

  11. I hope that the supporters who frequent this site continue to be part of it, I’ve noticed a decline in comments over the past several days since the unfortunate one was elected

  12. It is now on cspan Campaign 2008- Road to the White House on video as well- and will be repeated on Radio and Video at 9:33 tonight. Again, is TV any better?

  13. is this what you folks are talking about? (copied from redstate)

    VALERIE JARRETT ON MTP. On NBC’s Meet the Press
    Brokaw mentioned the Clinton connections – Podesta, Rahm – and asked if Obama had been talking directly to President Clinton. Jarrett answered that Senator Clinton has been a “key advisor.”

  14. I hope Evan Thomas has to eat raw crow after he reads the following aired the day after the nov6 cspan recorded nasty attack on Sarah Palin…Basically Rick Davis will call him a liar, by laying out the facts.

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    Emjay Says:

    November 8th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
    Well, well. Hannity & Colmes invite Rick Davis on to “discuss” the Palin misbehavior leaks and Rich Lowery is sitting in for Hannity.

    Davis and Lowery must have locked Colmes in a closet, because after 3 or four nasty comments and trying to ressurect the trashy rumors, he is not heard from again.

    And Lowery gets the real answers from Davis.

    Transcript laying out the truth in case anyone dares throw it at you as a Palin insult or deficit in honesty or attacks he intelligence:

    November 07, 2008
    Rick Davis on the Sarah Palin Accusations
    Hannity & Colmes

    COLMES: Welcome to HANNITY & COLMES. I’m Alan Colmes. Rich Lowry sitting in for Sean tonight.

    Nice to see you once again, Rich.

    RICH LOWRY, GUEST HOST: Hi, Alan. Good to see you.

    COLMES: And we are following a developing story tonight, in the last 24 hours there have been several reports in the press attributed to anonymous members of the McCain campaign accusing Governor Sarah Palin of all nature of things.

    “Newsweek” magazine, the “New York Times”, and FOX’s own Carl Cameron have all reported on incidents that allegedly happened behind the scenes on the campaign trail.

    According to these reports, Governor Palin supposedly didn’t know that Africa was a continent and not a country, that she once answered the door of her hotel room dressed only in a towel, that she blasted members of the campaign staff, leaving them in tears, and that she spent even more money on clothing than originally reported a few weeks ago.

    Joining us tonight to shed light on these claims, McCain campaign chairman, Rick Davis.

    Rick, welcome to HANNITY & COLMES. Nice to have you with us.

    RICK DAVIS, MCCAIN CAMPAIGN MANAGER: Hey, thanks for having me. Appreciate it.

    COLMES: Appreciate it very much. I know it’s been a tough few months. So glad you’re here to talk about it. Where do these leaks come from?

    DAVIS: Well, you know, part of the reason that I wanted to come out tonight and talk about this is because, you know, we don’t know where these leaks are coming from. You know funny how all these things are attributed to anonymous sources, and look, politics is politics, it isn’t bean bag, it’s rough stuff, but anonymous sources, give me a break.

    You’ve got the campaign manager of the campaign McCain for the last year and a half sitting in front of you, and I’m just going to tell you right now this is atrocious behavior on the part of people who claim to be campaign staffers, and I think it’s outrageous.

    COLMES: Do you know who did it?

    DAVIS: I wish I do, otherwise, you know, I’d probably wouldn’t be here, I’d be talking to the reporters telling them — you know, this is outrageous behavior on the part of these individuals, but I don’t know who did it, and that’s the problem with these kinds of stories.

    You don’t know the veracity of the story. You don’t even know if it’s factual, and you have no clue who told it.

    COLMES: Let’s talk about the veracity of the stories. The idea of answering the door in a towel. Have you heard that?

    DAVIS: You know, I saw it in this “Newsweek” print, and from what I understand, talking to some of the people who were there, Mark Salter and Steve Schmidt, is that she didn’t answer the door, they were in her suite, and you know, they were getting ready to brief her, and she was — she didn’t know anybody was even in the room, and immediately upon finding out that people were there, she went back.

    Exactly what any normal person would do. And yet, all of a sudden, this is like a federal case.

    COLMES: What about the decision to spend $150,000 on clothing? Whose decision was that, and as — as “Newsweek” reported, was it really more than that with 20 to $40,000 going to Todd Palin’s clothing?

    DAVIS: Well, first of all, I think that — a lot of these issues are overblown. I mean when she got to the convention — first of all, everybody needs to remember the historical facts of this. That she was tapped to be the vice presidential nominee two days before the convention started.

    She arrived in the convention hall without having even been to Alaska to pick up any of her things. I think the campaign did the right thing and asked for somebody to come in and help her with her clothes. We got some, you know, very smart person evidently from New York, I don’t know much about clothes as you can probably tell…

    COLMES: But nice tie, though.

    DAVIS: And they came in to town, and they outfitted her, and they outfitted her, obviously, with a lot more stuff than she was ever going to use, and nobody ever explained to her that this is stuff that was being paid for by the convention. It was going to be used at the convention for her purposes, and…

    COLMES: Right.

    DAVIS: And this is where it got overblown.

    COLMES: But the story was that — that she was told get three suits and hire a stylist, and then she went a little crazy, you know, overboard.

    DAVIS: No, I don’t think she went crazy. I’m not sure she really understood what the parameters are, and by the way, all of this stuff is getting shipped back. It was exactly what we talked about when we released the reports on this a month and a half ago. And from what I can tell this is an old story born again.

    LOWRY: Hey, Rick, thanks so much for joining us. I wish the circumstances were better, but we appreciate your being with us here tonight.

    DAVIS: (Laughs) Well, I probably wouldn’t be here if we were working on the transition. So it’s my pleasure to be here.

    (CROSSTALK)

    LOWRY: It’s our gain, the country’s loss.

    Rick, let’s roll through some of these specifics. The idea that she didn’t know Africa was a continent. I talked today to two of the advisers who briefed on foreign policy. They consider it absurd. Among other things, they point out she was very up from the beginning on the Darfur, which is huge.

    DAVIS: Right.

    LOWRY: And Evangelical communities across America. So it doesn’t even make sense.

    DAVIS: It doesn’t make sense, and, again, I mean, you know, what’s the point of all these unsubstantiated rumors that are flying around? What I really want to try and understand is — what’s the basis of all this stuff?

    I mean, look, I could make anything up about John McCain’s debate prep. I mean I was in there, I saw him — what was going on. Is anybody going to debate with me about what was said and done in there?

    Look, she did a great job in this debate. She held her own with a guy who’s been practiced in this politics for 40 years, and I think it’s a real tribute to her, and the idea that somehow we’re going to undercut her by talking about some of these, you know, ridiculous claims is, I think, not only inappropriate, but, frankly, it doesn’t bode well for our party as a whole.

    I mean we…

    LOWRY: Yes.

    DAVIS: We’ve got a struggle ahead of us. We’ve got to redefine who we are. I think, you know, John McCain and Sarah Palin were a fresh breath of air, you know, into the Republican Party, but it wasn’t enough to make this thing work right, and I think we definitely have to refocus, and this is just a distraction to all those things.

    LOWRY: Yes, Rick, now also on the idea that she didn’t know what country was in NAFTA, Steve Biengun, who was in that briefing, who was giving her a briefing on Latin American trade issues prior to the Univision interview, says that was a snippet of one question taken out of context, and it’s absurd.

    Now on the clothes, Rick, can we just be clear? My understanding is she goes to the convention in St. Paul, and she’s basically in a hotel the entire time. It’s not as though she’s going to clothes outlets selecting these clothes.
    This stuff is brought in for her.

    DAVIS: Yes.

    LOWRY: Is that correct?

    DAVIS: Well, Rich, you know those things are pretty busy, and that’s exactly correct. I mean I don’t think she’s been in a store since this campaign started with her three months ago, and you know, these are things that other people have assumed that she was going to need.

    Most of this stuff she hasn’t even used and will be going back, and it’s exactly what we told everybody a month and a half ago when the first issue arose, so what I don’t really understand is what’s the focus on that?

    I mean, you know, look, I’m not going to sit there and say wow, in is really sexist in the sense that, you know, if this were a man, and we were having this discussion, nobody would care.

    You know the idea that this is…

    LOWRY: Right.

    DAVIS: … you know a successful female governor of a state that, you know, very few people have ever been to is probably the root of a lot of these problems.

    LOWRY: Right. And the campaign felt as though they needed to outfit her, they brought in a stylist, they brought in a seamstress, they brought in the clothes, because she wasn’t — she didn’t have a stylist in Wasilla, or a seamstress in Wasilla.

    So, again, this seems — you know really just to be a smear.

    DAVIS: Yes, it’s — ugly, and really there’s no basis for it. There’s absolutely nothing going on with Governor Palin that hasn’t gone on, frankly, with every male candidate for president since the start of politics in the modern era, and the idea that she would be singled out in the process is, I think, unfortunate, but also wrong in the context of what she was able to accomplish as a candidate and what we were able to accomplish as a campaign.

    LOWRY: Great. Rick, thanks so much for being with us. Take care.

    DAVIS: Thanks, guys.
    ———————–
    Glad Davis either volunteered to take care of this, or maybe was even sent by McCain to put the kabosch on the smears so they didn’t go on all weekend…especially since the stupid talking heads have nothing real to talk about now that the election is over.

    —————–
    Sunday Nov 8 by Emjay:

    Except for the Cspan repeat of the seminar we all forgot about when Evan Thomas gets to repeat the lies thanks to technology.

  15. justmeinmountdorafl Says:

    November 9th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
    I hope that the supporters who frequent this site continue to be part of it, I’ve noticed a decline in comments over the past several days since the unfortunate one was elected

    *********
    I think it’s time for us to move on with our own life. No matter how much we disagree with the outcome of the election, this election is over. I started out as a Hillary supporter and followed her journey in the primary and continued all the way to the general election. This process certainly changed my viewpoint about politics a lot and I learned a lot about the democratic process in this country. It will be a long time if ever for me to be so invested in the political process again. Meanwhile, I am simply glad this long process is over. This site has been a source of information and inspiration for me for almost one and a half years. I thank everybody here. I especially thank Admin for her/his words of wisdom and courage. I wish everyone especially Admin the best!

  16. Lindax, no it is not over, we have the future at stake. Not just Obama’s but ours. We have to ensure the right and responsible democrats are elected.

  17. Dem groups claim Obama win
    By AVI ZENILMAN | 11/9/08 7:03 PM EST Text Size:

    John F. Kennedy famously said that “victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is an orphan,” an adage born out over the last three days as reporters’ inboxes have overflowed with e-mails from advocacy groups boasting of their role in Tuesday’s sweeping Democratic win.

    Unions, Hispanic groups, the Netroots, progressive organizing coalitions, single women, working women, youth, the religious left — to name just a few — all claim to have played a vital role in electing Barack Obama.

    And each says he owes them for that role.

    Such claims are, of course, an election-year standard. Four years ago, social conservative and anti-tax groups boasted of their role in President Bush’s reelection.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15420.html

  18. His famous speech was as convoluted as some of Gore’s statements, or Palin’s, and may have been misrepresented as theirs were. Sounded to me like he was looking for solutions, trying to prod people to come up with ideas.
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    turndown, you’re so naive!!

  19. NewMexicoFan Says:

    November 9th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
    I have to tell you that the selection of Clinton people, is like rubbing salt in the wound. He abused her, he said she was likable enough, she won the popular vote, he rigged the convention, and then he uses Clinton people.

    People voted for him to be the decider, not a committee. He Abused, Used, and now uses the entourage. I am sorry, I see nothing of this that gives me comfort.

    What I see is a women getting rapped again, and then turned around and used repeatedly. The one was suppose to have a plan and he has none. I hope that HRC hangs up on him at 3 a.m. and says shove it.
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    correct.

  20. justmeinmountdorafl Says:
    November 9th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
    Lindax, no it is not over, we have the future at stake. Not just Obama’s but ours. We have to ensure the right and responsible democrats are elected.
    ***********************************************************
    for those who need an outlet and place of record, let those stay online. perhaps we could use a new title… how about “44” .. kind of says it all.

    night all.

  21. What I see is a women getting rapped again, and then turned around and used repeatedly. The one was suppose to have a plan and he has none. I hope that HRC hangs up on him at 3 a.m. and says shove it.
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    NMF, this is key and you say it well. He did not have a plan. He is now relying on the same Clinton people after ridiculing Bill Clinton’s policies and proposals and Hillary’s healthcare initiative and he needs Podesta to do the transition. It is more than pathetic. Bob Rubin saying no speaks volumes.

  22. justmeinmountdorafl Says:

    November 9th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
    Lindax, no it is not over, we have the future at stake. Not just Obama’s but ours. We have to ensure the right and responsible democrats are elected.
    ——————————————
    It is far from over. Obamas future and the county’s future are fundamentally different. The lines may intersect at certain points but they will diverge at many others. He is in the game only for himself and is a very manipulative personality.

  23. James Clyburn on NBC’s “Meet the Press
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    The thing to always remember about clyburn is that he is a snake. He is in bed with certain interests in his district and is perfectly willing to sell out his constituents.

  24. wbboei, I bet he is already looking into 2012 and how to secure it. {Rove was smart (not Bush) and started a war so that Bush won’t get swapped.} What burning pretext will he and his minions come up with? Whatever it is it will not be good for the country because fundamentally they have hold the country hostage to get what they want. All we can do is be vigilant but that did not help us much in this election.

  25. I agree it is not over. It’s far from it. We are merely entering a new phase of the battle. It may look like the odds are still stacked against us, but there are things in this country worth fighting for. We have to make the effort. I only wish I had the knowledge and skills to take a leading role along with so many others who are obviously doing a great job, but I will accept following along and cheering from the sidelines.

    I don’t care what Admin chooses to call his/her (our?) website. It is still the place to come to for knowledge and understanding about what is going on. We need this place to keep us informed now that the BM is compromised.

    Everybody! Please hang in there. There are a lot of people like me who need you. There are a lot more who just don’t realize it yet. I’m afraid they will learn that all too soon.

  26. If we should transition to something, I would suggest in honor of Hillary, that we strive for gender equality in politics and our goal to have a woman on the national ticket (in either party) in the next two election cycles and becoming successful. Having said that, I will amend to say that I won’t support any of the women who stabbed Hillary’s back in this election were they to rise in status — they are not indispensable and we will find other qualified women. I hope we can also resurrect to help Hillary’s future, whatever that may be. Unfortunately with Obama in 2012, she won’t have a chance to run and in 2016, she will be 69 (I have a pit in my stomach as I write this). What a country and I don’t mean it in a good way.

  27. PM: what we are seeing at the moment is act 1. It is called the coronation. But there are three more acts to follow. I think this is will be a tragedy with comedic interludes. A Time Magazine writer of below average intelligence named Tumelty ventured the opinion that the thug will have some rough spots in his administration as all administrataions do and I stopped reading right there. The writer fails to appreciate that we are in serious and in some ways unprecdented times. I cannot say I look forward to the next three acts but they will happen regardless of how I feel. And they will do more to determine his fate than any other single factor. Half the country did not vote for him and see him as a probationary employee regardless of what the guilded class fancies or the delusionals crave. Again this only Act I. I think he is in a no win position,

  28. The Republican party is in deep trouble. The dims have the AA’s and most of the Latino vote, which are 2 major voting blocks. The Republicans have to make themselves more attractive to the Latino voting bloc, because this group is becoming larger, and will be a dominating force for many years. The Republicans won’t be able to win an election. The MTP interview discusses this with Senator Martinez.

  29. wbboei

    remember we talked about Clyburn?

    read this… Thanx birdgal.

    PS, I’m not leaving- where else would I get prodded to stay up with things?

    birdgal Says:

    November 9th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    CQ Transcript: Obama Transition Adviser Valerie Jarrett, Sen. Mel Martinez and Rep. James Clyburn on NBC’s “Meet the Press”

    Prepare to be nauseated with some of the interview. The next several months will be very interesting.

    http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&docID=news-000002984614

  30. Interesting article about Senator Clinton.

    What becomes now of Hillary Clinton? Will she run again for President? Make a bid for Senate majority leader? Go home to New York and run for governor? Does she covet a job in Barack Obama’s Cabinet or maybe an appointment to the Supreme Court? No, no, no and no, come the answers. As she told me recently, “I’m going to be focused, as I always have been, on what we’re going to get done. I’m not interested in just enhancing my visibility. I’m interested in standing on the South Lawn of the White House and seeing President Obama signing into law quality, affordable health care for everybody, and voting in a big majority for clean, renewable energy and smarter economic policies. That’s what I’m all about, and I’m going to use every tool at my disposal to bring it about.”

    But it’s hard to imagine Hillary Clinton ever playing just a supporting role. She is now both a smaller and a larger figure than when she set out on her first presidential-campaign swing through frigid Iowa nearly two years ago. And that puts her at something of a crossroads. “She’s not who she was before she ran, when everyone deferred to her as a former First Lady and a President-in-waiting,” says a prominent Democratic strategist. While she didn’t achieve the Clinton Restoration, Hillary emerged from that race as the symbol of a movement that has come to represent the hopes and frustrations of millions of working-class Democrats.

    Looking back on what she accomplished in the primaries, Clinton said, “I really felt like people were responding to my campaign in large measure because they feel invisible, that they have just been overlooked and marginalized in ways that undermine their hopes for the future and their capacity to realize their own dreams.” And, her advisers note, there is another constituency for whom there is no more obvious leader. Female voters, says a close ally, are an “awakened group of women who have no logical leader. It’s hers for the asking.”

    Clinton put that star power to full use this fall, campaigning at more than 200 rallies and fund raisers for upwards of 80 candidates across the country. I caught up with her four days before the election, between stops in Ohio, where she was stumping for Obama in precincts that she won decisively during the Democratic primary. She also continued to work at the unfinished business left over from her presidential bid, starting with a $25.2 million campaign debt. She has whittled it down to about $2.6 million, depending on how you count. That figure does not include the $13 million that she loaned the campaign out of personal funds and will not get back. Nor does it account for the $5.2 million that she owes her former chief strategist Mark Penn–who is a flash point with some of her donors and whose bill, therefore, is not likely to be paid off anytime soon.

  31. wbboei, we may not hear from BC or Hillary about what happened during the primary or the GE anytime soon. I hope we don’t have to wait for 8 years to learn of what happened with the con man. Even if Obama turns out to be a massive failure, how is it possible for another Democrat to challenge a President of their own party after the first term? That has never happened in the US history, right?

  32. continued:

    Friends and allies say Clinton is still trying to figure out what her role will be. Though some imagine she can become a champion of liberal causes in the Senate, much as Edward Kennedy did after his defeat in the 1980 Democratic primary, that model may not fit. Kennedy by 1981 had nearly 20 years of seniority in the Senate, and he had an ideal foil in Ronald Reagan. Clinton, on the other hand, is a relatively junior Senator and ranks no higher than fifth in seniority on any of her committees. On Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, the panel that oversees the issue about which she has the most expertise and passion–health care–she ranks eighth. The chairman, Kennedy, has brain cancer but vows to play the lead role himself.

    Clinton may be constrained from stepping out by the fact that her party is in power at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue. Taking on her party in the manner that John McCain so often did in the early years of George W. Bush’s first term is not, friends say, her way of doing business. “In retrospect, [McCain’s] 2000-2002 persona was the result of personal pique, positioning himself as the Democrats’ favorite Republican,” says a Clinton adviser. “That’s not the role she wants to play. That’s the last thing she wants to do.”

    Meanwhile, her relationship with Obama is still a work in progress. Perhaps it would be best to describe it as a recovery in progress. Though Clinton’s aides boast of the many campaign events she did on his behalf, “this is not a friendly relationship,” says an ally. And yet a closer working relationship would be in the interests of both. Clinton knows from experience how much his health-care-reform effort will ride on having effective allies on Capitol Hill. And when his presidency hits its inevitable bumps–whether those come from disappointing his liberal allies or enraging his conservative opponents–it would be handy to have a formidable spear catcher nearby.

    She will continue to be a big draw on the fund-raising circuit–a good way to accumulate chits with other politicians–and can turn the spotlight that follows her everywhere as she chooses. And it surely means something that Clinton, whose steam-powered campaign was left in the dust technologically by Obama’s, also seems to be studying up on the President-elect’s playbook for turning a campaign into a movement. “The Internet has enhanced the leverage that any single member of Congress has,” Clinton said. “The voices and votes of millions of people, strategically placed around the country, are a great asset.”

    And her voice may be the most strategically important of all. Already it appears that Clinton may use her own experience in the White House to try to nudge Obama to keep his many promises. A larger-than-expected deficit forced her husband to delay some of his priorities in 1993, a decision that greatly upset Hillary Clinton and her allies at the time. While there are already those who are arguing that Obama’s ambitious and expensive health-care-reform effort will have to wait until the economy is in better shape, Clinton disagrees. “I’m going to make the case that it’s important to move simultaneously on several fronts. I know how difficult that is. But a new President has a honeymoon period,” she said. “I hope that we’re going to really make progress on health care right off the bat with a new Congress. There are a lot of different ways of doing that.” One campaign is over for Clinton, but another has just begun.

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1857006-2,00.html

    Sorry for the length, but I thought people would be interested in the information.

  33. Im with pm317 too …anyone who stabbbed Hillary in the back i wont support them at all..the smartest one in the country we could be on are way to a great future and Hillary would have had this mess clean up..with BO we just dont know he steals hillary ideas bill ideas and it makes me sick….he lies so much it makes me sick and the media news outlets make me sick with false reporting they..still lies and they make me
    sick..
    So hillary if your reading do not give him your ideas or Bills it makes me really ill ..when you put your plans first your great ideas.. he lies remember he lies..no truth in him whatsoever..axelrod lies..

    And all these states who did that ooperration thing changing your status of party.like montana and other states,,ya see BO ya lost Montana…I bet all these states will never do that again..thats called cheating..if you think about it..we wont see thta anymore Montan was smart they figure him out when he said that crap about guns and religion to Pa..lol..
    Thanks admin i come here to read but your the best..and tell hillary hello for me..if ya ever see her..I support her totally to be President whenever she runs again..and if Bo doesnt do the job he will be IMpeached along with those reids and pelosis people..By the will of the people vote to impeach him lol.

  34. My input about the coming events in the life and coming times of Obama are going to be limited because I know or remember very little about his new advisers and potential cabinet nominees.I will have to rely on my new friends on this site to educate me with their vast knowledge and determinatation of the players.He will continue down the path of self destruction and the MSM will and have started to take interest in the many questions about who he is and where he is from.My attention will be centered on Hillary and her agenda for her future and the vindication that should be granted her for throwing herself in front of the Messiah train to save our party.A lot of history is going to be made in the coming months and years and we must stay involved and not lose interest in the job ahead to unseat this person from no where before he destroys the world stability in his obsession for power and control of our lives.

    By ABM90. the power of the pen and the news papers will be defeated by the power in our keyboards and our dedication to preserve our rights that are now at risk under the inexperience and limited understanding of just about every problem that he will face.

  35. pm317 Says:

    November 9th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
    bird, source?

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    At the end of the second post, which was the rest of the article.

  36. NewMexicoFan Says:
    November 9th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
    I have to tell you that the selection of Clinton people, is like rubbing salt in the wound.
    ========

    I share the feeling. It’s an admission that the Clintons were right all along –now that it’s too late to matter for the election.

    However — we need the best people in office, the ones most attuned to the Clintons. These Clinton cabinet members ARE the best qualified to do a good job now. They’re already a team. THey don’t need on the job training. They can take guidance from the Clintons very easily, they know them so well.

    The current problems are very like 1992. The people the Clintons chose to clean up after Bush SR, are now the best qualified to clean up after Bush Jr. (Especially Summers! He was part of the team that did a good job with bailouts in the 90s, so if the new Treas Sec must have $700 billion to spend, he’s the best choice.)

  37. bird, saw that. Thank you. It is an optimistic and give her her due type of article (respectful) and I like it.

  38. PM: do not assume an Obama presidency in 2012. There are three wild cards one or more of which are likely to hit him during this term him with gale force wind: economy, terrorist attack, or war. The military power of the United States is over extended and competitors are likely to test it.

    With respect to Hillary, Tumulty was right about one thing. Her candidacy awakened women, working class and hispanics. Those coalitions supported her and would flock back to her again. The challenge will be to rebuild support inside the party beyond the coalition of her husband which he built through his chairmanship of dlc.

    The Obamaimplosion will not occur until the end of Act III. The driver will be one of the external events noted above.

  39. wbboei, we may not hear from BC or Hillary about what happened during the primary or the GE anytime soon. I hope we don’t have to wait for 8 years to learn of what happened with the con man. Even if Obama turns out to be a massive failure, how is it possible for another Democrat to challenge a President of their own party after the first term? That has never happened in the US history, right?
    ——————————————-
    LBJ

  40. wbboei, I bet you know much more US history than I do. 🙂 So tell me, has a candidate from the same party as the incumbent president ever challenged the president for the second term? So even if I don’t assume an Obama presidency in 2012, who will will challenge him and be successful?

  41. wbboei and I invite you to read this:

    Looking Forward

    From Lynn
    Together4US

    LynnLoading…
    Dear Emjay,

    At the end of this long campaign, I am writing to congratulate and thank you for your steadfast work on behalf of our country. All of us are probably not pleased with the outcome of the election, but we all accept it and will do our individual part to continue to serve the best interest of this nation we love.

    Before we all go back to our day jobs, I am contacting you once again for your help. My personal journey in this campaign has made me painfully aware of two deeply disturbing realities of our political process; namely, partisanship and sexism. These two are not related but both are rampant in our politics and seriously interfere with the progress of our society. I have seen how fundamental principles have been abandoned by our leaders and the media in favor of partisan power and irrational bias. As a result, both of these lethal trends are getting stronger in our body politic My interest in both the partisanship and sexism in the 2008 Presidential election leads me to ponder if there is a role for this site in helping to resolve either issue.

    Perhaps you have completely tired of politics by this point and need a rest. I certainly understand that position. But, in the event that you are energized by what you have experienced, I am using this site to ask you to send me your thoughts on whether we can – or should – try to promote change in our national partisanship and/or rampant sexism. I am particularly interested in knowing your thoughts on how we might address these issues through:

    * this website
    * existing organizations or websites
    * existing articles, presentations or reports (please send them or a link to them)
    * interesting individuals from either party who may participate
    * any other thoughts and strategies

    Please send me your comments by going to together4us.com and post your ideas in the Comments section. That way they can be viewed by many people and commented on by others.

    And, if you would like to personally be involved in any way in an effort to forge a solution to the corrosive affect of party politics and gender bias, please email me directly at lynn@together4us.com.

    Once again, I want to thank you for everything you did in this election and I am very pleased that in some way our paths have crossed at this time. I trust we will have the opportunity to do some good together in the future……together4us.

    I wish you well.

    Sincerely yours,
    Lynn Forester de Rothschild

    ———————————-
    We hear Lynn wanting to keep moving…this is a chance for us to keep on keeping on.

    If you are interested, 5-6 of us have sent or are composing responses to Lady Lynn already.

    She has a structure, an organization and a lot of resources and contacts. I hear her saying she needs the troops; I have chosen to share any talent I have. Feel free to use the 2 contact addys she sent.

    A few $$ a long time ago has paid off.

    E & w.

    If you are interested in what

  42. # wbboei Says:
    November 9th, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    Even if Obama turns out to be a massive failure, how is it possible for another Democrat to challenge a President of their own party after the first term? That has never happened in the US history, right?
    ——————————————-
    LBJ
    ===============

    Ted Kennedy vs Pres. Carter

  43. and wbboie your right all the women have not forgotten hillary they never will all the ones who supported her and all the men who supported her..and all the teens 18 million…
    and all those 18 million votes will count because she lost by thugs..she will have them always those 18 mill so the voters who lost will cast again that same vote for her that they lost.and she will win..and we the voters will too…

  44. lynn@together4us.com

    Lynn, I think the first thing we need is very simple: an alternative to Huffington Post.

    When even people like Hillary and RFK Jr want to communicate directly with the public, they must use HuffPo, for lack of a civil, centrist forum of stature. You are in just the right position to found a competing site — whether you want to spend time running it or not.

    I can volunteer some editorial work.

  45. turnndownobama-com

    Sorry, I think the Obama staff should be doing this. I see no need for the Clintons to make an empty suit look good. He wanted the job, let him and his staff have it on their own. Will our country suffer for it? That is the price to pay, when you elect the wrong leader. I personnelly think it is like when raising children. They need to handle thing on their own, good and bad. When you rescue children they don’t learn to be function individuals. Obama, and his staff need to learn to function on their own. He said he was giving us hope and he would change Washington. Let Him do It on his own.

    I think the country has a valuable lesson to learn here, and the Clintons should let them learn.

    We are already well on our way to sliding from the top position in the world we once had. Our educational facilities rank like 24th in the world, medical is not what is use to be , don’t kid yourself, both are getting to be pretty poor, our currency is in trouble over seas, we owe mega to China, and our products are inferior. We have elected inferior leaders since 2000, and we are reaping the rewards of that. The voters need to understand this is not American Idol, and it does not matter as someone will come in and rescue what ever idiot we elect.

    Guess what, no matter what a great staff you gave Bush, screwed the country. Obama needs to sink or swim on his own.

  46. and kennedy imploded on the stage didnt he like dean scream lol..Hillary wont do that obama will LOL…being challagne by the smartest women will be difficult in 4 years for him he cant talk now and dont make sense..he might be real bad by then in 2012 ..lol..

  47. Emjay, if they can groom and produce an Obama, we can produce a woman version and better in the next 4, 8 years. That is what I want to do. I don’t want to write letters, I don’t want to call and do petitions. That time has come and gone. My vision is we pick a centrist woman candidate of talent, prepare and mold her and give her visibility and lobby the party to support her and make her run in 4, 8 years and WIN. That has to be our goal and we will be ruthlessly smart about making this happen. Now, where do we start?

  48. birdgal, once again you fing great stuff, like Meiyingsu wbboei and others. You all are why I don’t have to have cable and just PBS on over-air.

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    Yeah turndown !

  49. wbboei, I bet you know much more US history than I do. So tell me, has a candidate from the same party as the incumbent president ever challenged the president for the second term? So even if I don’t assume an Obama presidency in 2012, who will will challenge him and be successful
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    If obama melts down due to external events mentioned and his errant response to them, then I could envision a scenario where party leaders would go to him and say one term is enough. That is what happened with LBJ because of Viet Nam. Hillary made a decision in June not to divide the party and I do not think she would run against him in 2012 absent that kind of opening. But if he does implode, and the country was damaged as I believe it will be (fast forward to Act 3), then it could just as easily open the door for Gingrich republicans.

    My biggest regret in all this is for the country. I do not like the hand we have been dealt by bush, and I do not think the worm (thank you ADMIN) will be one wit better. I look at our problems and then I look at him and then I worry–really worry that history will look back on the Obama presidency as a watershed event in the decline of American power and influence in the world, and the economic security of its people. For as our dear friend ABM90 reminds us–we could have had Hillary.

  50. and kennedy imploded on the stage didnt he like dean scream lol..Hillary wont do that obama will LOL…being challagne by the smartest women will be difficult in 4 years for him he cant talk now and dont make sense..he might be real bad by then in 2012 ..lol..
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    CJ: you have got something there. Bambi has been able to run successfully because he never had a track record of his own which cold be attacked. Whereas now, he will. That will be his Achilles Heel.

  51. fing=find birdgal

    CJ who is Kirsten Powers?

    BTW, the c-span taping of the National Press club was VERY revealing…from both the reporters’ 1 year notes on each candidate and about each of them individually,

    wrm…Evan Thomas is scum and proves it on that tape because he spoke before Rick Davis on Hannity, and through the miracle of taping, after the Hannity tape has started racing around the net.

    There’s something for Lynn’s potential project: a partisan reporter and mysoginistic sexist tales already disproven coming out of one “empty-suited” reporter’s mouth.

    Garbage in, garbage out, over and over again, through the miracle of technology.

  52. I wonder if bambi still plans to send 800 billion to Africa for global povery relief. If not he will be turning his back on a major humanitarian effort. If so he will be abandoning the American People who need that money here at home. Bambi (you worm) the game is Hobsons choice, you asked to sit in, your bet . . . . .

  53. pm317,

    it depends on economic. if it recovers in 2012 the BHO has a chance for four more years. if not then GOP’s turn.

  54. emjay thats the dem stragist on hannity and colmes every once inawhile… she thinks obama is great..she is dense democrat..lol..and tried to defen him and hannity goes right after her lol..

  55. pm317 Says:

    November 9th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
    But wbboei, if Bush II can get elected in 2004 for his second term, why not Obama, in spite of Act 3?
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    If the issue is national security the Republicans win. If the issue is the economy the Democrats win. Bush won in 2004 because the country perceived him to be stonger than Carey on national security. If the three issues I mentioned materialize and he screws up he will not get a second term. This assumes his opponents get a ground game and get internet savy. If he screws up on those three issues and people get hurt then he is toast.

  56. meiyingsu Says:

    November 9th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
    pm317,

    it depends on economic. if it recovers in 2012 the BHO has a chance for four more years. if not then GOP’s turn.
    ———————————————————–
    I think you are right. He has only a chance–not a lock.

  57. wbboei, I think Rove had a hand in pushing the neocons and Bush to start a war in Iraq precisely for the reason of reelection in 2004 (just my hunch), because no country wants to change CiC in the middle of a new war. My fear is that Obama’s people will also find some compelling reason similar to that so it is a lock for Obama even going to the extreme of generating it. I don’t know much about Carter’s term. But this guy is more ruthless and smart in an evil way than Carter and he has handlers who can stoop to any level and of course, the media to manipulate people again.

  58. wbboei,

    if it was not because the financial meltdown in sept, Mccain would be the president now. People voted for BHO not because he is good but because Bush and the GOP brand are bad.

  59. pm317,

    if bho doesn’t end the war by 2012, do you think he still have a chance? if he ends the war, but leave an unstabe middle east behind, do you think he still a chance?

  60. Election Over, Ayers, Wright & Farrakhan Emerge
    November 09, 2008 9:16 PM

    In case you care…

    “For nine months, I kept quiet,” Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan said today at Mosque Maryam in Chicago, “because I saw that the good words that I spoke about this beautiful young man” — President-elect Obama — “at our Saviours’ Day convention and the way they were misused. I decided it would be better for me to just be quiet rather than be drawn into the controversy that was swirling around his pastor, Father Pfleger, and others.”

    “I feel freer today to say the things that are in my heart,” said the controversial religious leader.

    For a limited time Farrakhan’s sermon can be viewed HERE.

    Last week, Obama’s former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright emerged to speak at Kingdom Life Christian Church sponsored by the Theological Education Institute of Hartford.

    “The world doesn’t know about my 41 years of ministry, or my writing of books, because it was all taken down to a 10-second sound bite that the media chose to show about a sermon that was delivered seven years ago,” Wright said. “The media didn’t care about the whole sermon and what it was about. They just used those 10 seconds and used it as a weapon of mass destruction against [Obama’s] campaign.”

    And on election day, education professor William Ayers, a former member of the violent radical group the Weather Underground, gave an interview to the New Yorker’s David Remnick.

    Ayers told Remnick that he knew Obama only slightly: “I think my relationship with Obama was probably like that of thousands of others in Chicago and, like millions and millions of others, I wished I knew him better.” He described what happened to him as “Swift-boating.”

    “It’s all guilt by association,” Ayers said. “They made me into a cartoon character — they threw me up onstage just to pummel me.”

    Ron Radosh takes issue with some of the assertions Ayers makes HERE.

    – jpt

  61. meiyingsu Says:

    November 9th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
    wbboei,

    if it was not because the financial meltdown in sept, Mccain would be the president now. People voted for BHO not because he is good but because Bush and the GOP brand are bad.

    _____________________
    Meisingyu

    I, for one, believe you are absolutely correct…and the exit interviews I have heard also back you up..It will be interesting to see if the exit polls, and the apres’ vote polls say the same thing.

  62. # Emjay Says:
    November 9th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
    wbboei,
    if it was not because the financial meltdown in sept, Mccain would be the president now. People voted for BHO not because he is good but because Bush and the GOP brand are bad._____________________
    Meisingyu
    I, for one, believe you are absolutely correct…and the exit interviews I have heard also back you up..It will be interesting to see if the exit polls, and the apres’ vote polls say the same thing.
    ***********
    I stopped reading her after she drank the kool-aid but I think this sums up how things stand now.

    http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/11/violated-symbols.html

  63. wbboei, I think Rove had a hand in pushing the neocons and Bush to start a war in Iraq precisely for the reason of reelection in 2004 (just my hunch), because no country wants to change CiC in the middle of a new war. My fear is that Obama’s people will also find some compelling reason similar to that so it is a lock for Obama even going to the extreme of generating it. I don’t know much about Carter’s term. But this guy is more ruthless and smart in an evil way than Carter and he has handlers who can stoop to any level and of course, the media to manipulate people again.
    —————————————
    PM: you may be right. It may be impossible to pry bambi loose for 8 years and he will appoint a successor and we will never see an honest politician again in our lifetime. But that is not the way the world works. Was it Milton who said success has many fathers but failure is an orphan. We should not get too worried about things we cannot control. I believe he will implode and the republicans will not get their act together. Hillary has proved she is not Bill, will rebuild her own power base, should serve her constituents well, and target the right groups. We should do what I suggested in the fourth prophesy entitled survival piece, continue blogging on Hillaryis44 and connect wiht Lynnn de Rothchilde. There is a womens movement and a working class movement out there and Hillary is the most conspicous leader. I think the confluence of events will crush obama. We are now in the age of movement politics and if we can get women, working class and key demograhics with us we will win. Contrary to what Tumulty thinks we are in dangerous times and traditonal analysis lacks imagination or relevance but that is Time Magazine for you.

  64. wbboei,

    if it was not because the financial meltdown in sept, Mccain would be the president now. People voted for BHO not because he is good but because Bush and the GOP brand are bad.
    ——————————————–
    Their failure was at the strategic level. They did not understand what they were up against, executed too late and would not bring out the infomation they should have. We really tried to help them but they would not listen. I do believe someone decided to pop the bubble to help the worm, but if they had had a sound strategy and listened to some of us they could have still won. It is a reflection of McCains leadership. Emjay would call it a command decision. I would call it benign neglect. I have nothing against McCains people so this is not a personal matter. With the worm and his minions however it is personal.

  65. wbboei,

    IMHO. if McCain sticked to running on experience by picked Mitt Romney, he would have won.
    —————————————

    That is what I wanted him to do. But there was too much bad blood between them. Remember he wanted to pick Lieberman.

  66. I don’t remember off the top of my head but the turnout among conservatives was way low and they just stayed home. It is not the financial meltdown or McCain’s innate strategic failure, there was also no party loyalty for some of the republicans who stayed home and these are actually quite big numbers. If they had turned out as much as they did in ’04, Obama would not have had it this easy. I still like to give McCain high points (or Obama low points) for doing as well as he did in the face of a hostile media, economic crisis, absence of a base in his own party — all that is a reflection of the scale of opposition to Obama. It was there and it voted for McCain. Republican base could have helped him more and that certainly would have spelled trouble for Obama. Palin did her part in energizing the whole campaign and the base; everything she did was mostly positive for the campaign — the numbers are there to prove it.

  67. wbboei Says:
    November 9th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
    wbboei,
    ***********
    if it was not because the financial meltdown in sept, Mccain would be the president now. People voted for BHO not because he is good but because Bush and the GOP brand are bad.——————————————–
    Their failure was at the strategic level. They did not understand what they were up against, executed too late and would not bring out the infomation they should have. We really tried to help them but they would not listen. I do believe someone decided to pop the bubble to help the worm, but if they had had a sound strategy and listened to some of us they could have still won. It is a reflection of McCains leadership. Emjay would call it a command decision. I would call it benign neglect. I have nothing against McCains people so this is not a personal matter. With the worm and his minions however it is personal
    •••••••••
    Maybe the RNC did understand. The next four years is probably going to be so bad that the next President (Obama) will be in for only four years and the Dems will be blamed for the disaster. Another Carter or probably worse

  68. wbboei,

    Lieberman would be a bad choice. Mitt Romney has a reputation to turn thing around. if McCain picked Mitt Romney, their message would be “experience and turn economic around”. Besides he had run on experience for the whole Summer and it worked. I don’t understand why he droped the experience message.

  69. Maybe the RNC did understand. The next four years is probably going to be so bad that the next President (Obama) will be in for only four years and the Dems will be blamed for the disaster. Another Carter or probably worse
    —————————————
    SHV: Morris seems to agree with you:

    Republicans Will Emerge Stronger Than Ever

    Thursday, November 6, 2008 4:28 PM

    Article Font Size

    If ever there was an election that was not worth winning, it was the contest of 2008. While it was hard-fought on both sides, had McCain won, it might have spelled the end of the Republican Party. As it is, the party is well-situated to come back in 2010 and in 2012, if it learns the lessons of this year.

    Simply put, all hell is about to break loose in the markets and the economy.

    The mortgage crisis will likely be followed by defaults in credit card debt, student loans and car loans. We will probably be set for two years of zero growth, according to economists with whom I talk. And the federal efforts to protect the nation from the worst of the recession will probably lead to huge budget deficits and resulting inflation. We are in for stagflation that could last for years.

    Had McCain won, he would be the latter-day Hoover, blamed for the disaster that unfolded on his watch. Now it is Obama’s problem. With the Republicans suffering a wipeout in congressional elections (although not as bad as they feared), the ball is now squarely in the Democratic court. Good luck!

    If Obama raises taxes, the situation could get even worse. With a liberal Congress on his hands, he will be constrained to move to the left, if he needs any pushing.

    When Clinton was elected in 1992, the Democrats in control of Congress gave him a clear message: Either you govern within the four walls of the Democratic Caucus or you won’t get our support. Crossing the aisle to get Republican votes, even including the GOP in negotiations, was a no-no for which the president would pay dearly if he transgressed.

    The result was predictable. Moderate initiatives like welfare reform were scrapped, the Congress passed tax hikes and legislation became festooned with liberal amendments.

    Faced with the need to round up every last vote in the Senate and House Democratic caucuses, Clinton had no choice but to load up conservative bills like an anti-crime measure with liberal pork (like a provision for midnight basketball courts in urban areas) to get unanimous caucus backing.

    Obama will have to move left to appease his caucus. He will become their hostage, and they his jailers.

    This dynamic will produce extreme-left-wing governance, which the Republicans can blame for the continuation of the recession and for any worsening. The party will recover, fed by anger at Obama’s policies, and will emerge from this defeat stronger than ever.

    But the Republicans must learn the lesson of MoveOn.org. Founded in the bleak days of the Clinton impeachment, MoveOn developed a grass-roots Internet base. Building up its e-list of activists and contributors, MoveOn laid the basis for the incredible Internet appeal of the Obama campaign. At last count, Obama has 4.5 million donors, most online.

    Conservatives cannot count on the Republican Party to fight their battles for them, and certainly cannot count on them to win. The right needs to develop cyber-roots conservative organizations to rival the power of groups like MoveOn.org.

    The stellar efforts of Newsmax.com and its ally, GOPtrust.com, illustrate the power of such efforts. Together, these groups raised $10 million for an independent expenditure on media in swing states featuring the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s anti-American bombast.

    And their efforts worked.

    Virtually all the polls agreed that Obama would win 52 percent to 53 percent of the vote, but the surveys varied in the amount of undecideds they found.

    On Election Day, virtually every undecided voter went to McCain, and Obama’s final vote share was no more and no less than the 52 percent to 53 percent the surveys had predicted. This unanimity among undecided voters is attributable to the endgame of groups like GOPtrust.com and Newsmax.com.

    These groups have to lead the way in running media to battle against the leftist legislation that will undoubtedly emanate from the Obama administration and the liberal Congress America has just elected. Then they can become the basis for a Republican resurgence, just as MoveOn.org was this year for the Democrats.

    © 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

  70. meiyingsu, if the republicans had turned out like they did in 2004, it would not have been such a big loss and it would even have turned the tables on Obama. It is not fair to blame Palin. In any other election Hillary Dems or not, they were not going to vote for a Republican anyway — so it was not Palin’s job to bring Hillary Dems to vote for McCain. She did energize the base and male independents did vote for McCain in good numbers. So let us stop bashing Palin and making her a scapegoat.

  71. pm317,

    GOP base think Bush is one of them, they were energized in 2004. McCain would never energized them. in fact, some of them want Mccain lost so that they can come back strong in 2012. however, a large amount of independents and Hillary Dems had no problem with McCain.

  72. Bambi has an iron triangle around his neck. One corner is the economy. Morris lays out that problem there. Another corner is the threat of a terrorist attack on our soil. Do you remember that mccains staff and the worms staff attended that top secret briefing a few weeks ago. Nobody talks about it. Then this media crap about by matthews and now kurtz. Like the poet Virgil: Life I am coming. The third corner is war. The comment by Biden when he was in Seattle that the worm would be tested in the first six months. Russia or Iran I would say. These are existential threats. They may prove to be unmanageable. I see nothing good coming from them. They will cast a long shadow over 2012. I would not want to be part of this administration. If I did I would be afraid that all members including their leader will end up twisting in the wind politically speaking.

  73. meiyingsu Says:

    November 9th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
    pm317,

    GOP base think Bush is one of them, they were energized in 2004. McCain would never energized them. in fact, some of them want Mccain lost so that they can come back strong in 2012. however, a large amount of independents and Hillary Dems had no problem with McCain.
    ——————————————–
    They may not have been energized by mccain but they liked palin and hated obama. I do not believe that 20% of them voted for bambi–that is rigged. I still say their fatal problem was strategic. People I know offered them a ground game and they either tried to steal it or ignored it. A good ground game could have been outcome determinative. They did not take full advantage of the PUMAs. All in all they just didnt get it done.

  74. # Emjay Says:
    November 9th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
    SHV
    About when did Anglachel go to the side of “that one”
    ***********
    About two weeks before the GE when she started to say the the “Confluence” was racist.

    w

  75. The is from the Anglachel blog referred to above. The worm will be a corporate pig and throw the leftists under the bus. How do I hate thee bambi let me count the ways. I believe that is accurate and is what I concluded in my paper. The left is simply a tool. Hillary would have taken on the multinational corporations and stood up for working people. Bambi will not. It does make you wonder though what will happen on this employee free choice act which unions (the left) want and corporations do not. Q: will the left love him four years from now? I think they will be disillusioned. Would they support Hillary at that point? Only if they grow up. She is a populist and he is not.
    ——————————————-
    An Obama administration will have two primary options to choose from. One choice would be to move center left and reestablish the social compact of a modern New Deal type program. Barring a further deterioration of the economic situation in the country, it is not likely the direction they will move in. The second choice would be to reassemble a new establishment center consensus, minus the most reactionary elements of corporate power, and create a soft Democratic Party Corporatism as the new vital center of American political life.

    The second option is the more likely choice and also the path of least resistance. The Obama administration will not pay a great political price in abandoning the pretense of moving the country in a progressive direction for two primary reasons. First, for Senator Obama’s political base the symbolism of his election is the change they were seeking and not an idea or program based on a set of policies. The second reason is the political weakness of what passes for the left in the United States, a line up of individuals and organizations stretching from MoveOn.org to the AFL-CIO, who in their misunderstanding of the nature of power confuse access with power itself.

    The primary task of serious progressives over the next few months must be to prevent progressive votes of this Tuesday from being turned into another corporatist victory. No one should be very hopeful for the prospects of such an effort. I suspect as progressives spend their time fighting over tickets to the inaugural ball, the Wall Street and K Street branches of the Democratic Party will win the war of priorities and ideas of the new Obama Administration in a rout.

  76. SHV Says:

    November 10th, 2008 at 12:14 am
    # Emjay Says:
    November 9th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
    SHV
    About when did Anglachel go to the side of “that one”
    ***********
    About two weeks before the GE when she started to say the the “Confluence” was racist.
    —————————————
    Dont you think she is still pro hillary big time?

  77. SHV, the way I understood her position, she was not going to vote for Obama because of what he did in the primary to Hillary. But she also hated McCain and would not cross over. I am not sure she drank the kool-aid. She falsely (IMO) accused Confluence and NQ of using republican (and racist) arguments for the economic crisis especially the subprime stuff which is when I stopped going to her site — I feel protective of NQ and they were trying to fill the gap which the media refused to do and her comments were unwarranted. For her the Dem party (not the current version but the ideal version) is above reproach.

  78. wbboei Says:
    November 9th, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    Maybe the RNC did understand. The next four years is probably going to be so bad that the next President (Obama) will be in for only four years and the Dems will be blamed for the disaster. Another Carter or probably worse
    *****
    which is still probably why they wanted to tear down Clinton and preferred BO; she could very well have steered us through these next four years and the following.

  79. which is still probably why they wanted to tear down Clinton and preferred BO; she could very well have steered us through these next four years and the following
    —————————————
    Count: either that or they are the gang that cant shoot straight.

  80. CountTheVotes Says:

    November 10th, 2008 at 12:43 am
    anglachel wrote in Hillary. She didn’t vote for either BO or Mac.
    —————————————–
    God bless her.

  81. wbboei – I still love Anglachel.

    I know that few sites were able to walk the fine-line right after the Convention of not endorsing McCain, but definitely NObama…but I think Anglachel did it.

  82. # wbboei Says:
    November 10th, 2008 at 12:55 am

    which is still probably why they wanted to tear down Clinton and preferred BO; she could very well have steered us through these next four years and the following
    —————————————
    Count: either that or they are the gang that cant shoot straight.
    *****

    This is not the Republican Party I once knew (back in 2000 and 2004).

  83. birdgal,

    Is it possible that Hillary doesn’t want the chairmanship because she knows that Obama would not be able to deliver on UHC because of the economic crisis?

  84. “IMHO. if McCain sticked to running on experience by picked Mitt Romney, he would have won.”

    I think the “ifs” in this situation don’t matter one iota. Obama’s organized crime mob were going to get him elected no matter what scenario we put forward.

    I don’t think McCain or Hillary had a chance against that corrupt machine.

  85. Do you believe the left wing of the party will:

    1) demand a change in the social compact–meaning a move away from radical free trade and toward Roosevelt values, or

    2) settle for a black president and black power elite and all other business as usual? If the latter then they are the world’s biggest fool?

    That is the fundamental question. If it is 2) we will end up with a have and have not society.

  86. Dear “Progressive”

    Now that you have your Messiah will you be “bamboozled”? Specifically will you:

    1) demand a change now in the social compact now-meaning a move away from radical free trade and toward Roosevelt values, or

    2) settle for a black president and black power elite–and allow him to pursue business as usual economic policies?

    Remember: Hillary offered you 1). We suspect the Messiah will go for 2). That will hasten the race to the bottom for American families. And it will be your doing if you do not stand up to him.

    Don’t let him play you for a sucker.

    VTY

  87. An interesting comment at RD: I wonder what turndown thinks of this?

    “There does seem to be an attempt to erase any memory of the Clintons. It has been remarked upon here before. It boggles my mind, especially as Obama seems to be selecting some of the same advisors–I suspect by making them his own he erases them from Clinton’s admin even more.”

  88. rickya Says:

    November 10th, 2008 at 8:04 am
    birdgal,

    Is it possible that Hillary doesn’t want the chairmanship because she knows that Obama would not be able to deliver on UHC because of the economic crisis?

    ——————————————————————————-

    There was an article that I read yesterday, stating that Kennedy, who is head of the committee wants the full committee to work on it, and present it to President Obama (barf) for his signature. Senator Clinton is a junior senator and only ranks eighth on this committee. Kennedy is already working on it, which was announced earlier this year. He is one jealous person, who is quite full of himself.

  89. A Little Headline Humor today , see what you can dig up today 😀

    Drudge: Temps in most areas of country below average in ’08…

    [does this mean hell is beginning to freeze over?]

    Drudge:’Odor printing’ will identify people…

    [hmmmmmm wonder how they will identify obama? 😀 ]

    Drudge: For Putin, knockabout with Obama is just the ticket…

    [Go ahead….make his day]

  90. bird, they want to saddle her with her 93 failure forever and they won’t give her a second chance. RD links to an AP article on MO(it of course, made me mad), and in the article the only thing they say about Hillary as first lady is how she tried to do policy and failed. They won’t let her fix it though her ideas were lauded as the best by the Nobel laureate Krugman.

  91. JanH,

    it looks like they are going to turn this to Mao era in China which was most disastrous time in Chinese history( no free speech and worshiped Mao every day).

  92. pm317 Says:

    November 10th, 2008 at 10:30 am
    ————————————————————————-

    That AP article was sickening. They are so biased, that it isn’t funny. MO isn’t even in the same class as Senator Clinton regarding intelligence and accomplishments.

    ————————————————————————————

    JanH Says:

    November 10th, 2008 at 10:33 am
    “PAPER: Plans for National Holiday Honoring Obama…”

    It is a McDonalds that is doing this. Not sure where it is located, but it sounds looney.

  93. here’s another Drudge headline:

    Obama Spokesman Says ‘Obama Ready to RULE on Day 1’
    By Warner Todd Huston (Bio | Archive)
    November 10, 2008 – 02:02 ET
    newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/11/10/obama-spokesman-says-obama-ready-rule-day-1

    The co-chair of Barack Obama’s Transition Team, Valerie Jarrett, appeared on Meet the Press this weekend and used, shall we say, an interesting word to described what she thinks Barack Obama will be doing in January when he’s officially sworn into office. She told Tom Brokaw that Obama will be ready to “rule” on day one. It’s a word that reflects the worst fears that people have for Obama the “arrogant,” the “messiah,” that imagines he’s here to “rule” instead of govern.

    Jarret told Brokaw that “given the daunting challenges that we face, it’s important that president elect Obama is prepared to really take power and begin to rule day one.”

  94. The Clinton “people” showed little if no loyalty at all to Hillary and Bill and it makes perfect sense they would work for this fraud ….The only person who stood with her all the way was Lanny Davis and I guess Carville .

  95. What’s next? A national prayer? A daily school prayer in his dubious honor? A Candy bar named after him? Monuments? Parks renamed? Highways?

  96. If Barky cannot be taught new tricks during his “rule,” it’ll be very interesting when he has a major screw-up on foreign policy and has to stage a stadium full of adorers (lured by free food) as he makes a major speech. Already his change.gov site gets scrubbed whenever there’s a point that can become controversial. It sounds like Red China…and will these next four years be like what we experienced in the last 2 years of his campaign?

  97. JanH,

    My son’s piano teacher who immigranted from Russia said “I don’t understand the America people. Why they want to experience socialism? we had the socialism experience, we don’t want to go back there anymore”.

    Socialism has failed miserably in China and east Europe. China finally moves in the direction of Capitalism. it seems that USA walks backward.

  98. ON THE 70th ANNIVERSARY OF KRISTALLNACHT: LITHUANIA SEEKS TO PROSECUTE WORLD WAR II JEWISH PARTISANS WHO FOUGHT AGAINST THE NAZIS:

    To this day, not a single Lithuanian has ever been punished in independent Lithuania for Holocaust crimes and every effort has been made to prevent such criminals from facing prosecution.

    Instead – as unbelievable as it may sound – Lithuanian prosecutors, urged on by an anti-Semitic press, have sought to indict for “war crimes,” heroic World War II-era Jewish partisans for their anti-Nazi resistance! Chief among them, Dr. Yitzhak Arad, the former chairman of Yad Vashem and a renowned Holocaust scholar.

    Will Obama denounce these actions? If would be very befitting for the man going into the Oval Office to take a stand against something as heinous as this.

    I hope Bush will as well.

  99. pm317 Says:
    November 10th, 2008 at 10:11 am
    An interesting comment at RD: I wonder what turndown thinks of this?
    “There does seem to be an attempt to erase any memory of the Clintons. It has been remarked upon here before. It boggles my mind, especially as Obama seems to be selecting some of the same advisors–I suspect by making them his own he erases them from Clinton’s admin even more.”
    ======================

    Heh. I don’t think it’s worth going over there to read the rest. Nothing against RD, but this quote is talking about a realm of semi-firm woo woo. Most of BO’s young people don’t know anything about the 90s much less remember any names of cabinet ministers, if they ever knew those names.

  100. jbstonesfan Says:
    November 10th, 2008 at 10:48 am
    The Clinton “people” showed little if no loyalty at all to Hillary and Bill and it makes perfect sense they would work for this fraud ….
    ==========================

    I don’t see it that way. I think they want to get the country back in good shape, so they will take the jobs so as to do the jobs. Or for the pay or something. But remember these are people that Bill CHOSE, so I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt as being good people who want to serve the country. Innocent till PROVED Judas.

    Hillary won’t run against BO in 2012, in 2016 she will probably be too old. So at this point I don’t see where presonal loyalty comes in. Also it can work the other way, having Clinton people in high office gives them more power to help the Clintons. I’m surprised BO would take that risk.

    I dont’ think Bill chose his cabinet for presonal loyalty reasons. I think he chose people who could DO A GOOD JOB (and more or less agreed with him on policy).

  101. JanH Says:
    November 10th, 2008 at 10:51 am
    What’s next? A national prayer? A daily school prayer in his dubious honor? A Candy bar named after him? Monuments? Parks renamed? Highways?
    ============

    Re-touch the dollar bills so they all look like him!

    Re-carve Mt Rushmore same!

  102. bird, they want to saddle her with her 93 failure forever and they won’t give her a second chance. RD links to an AP article on MO(it of course, made me mad), and in the article the only thing they say about Hillary as first lady is how she tried to do policy and failed. They won’t let her fix it though her ideas were lauded as the best by the Nobel laureate Krugman
    —————————————-
    I had the same reaction. I was going to send a nasty response to the dimwith who wrote it but AP does not allow voter comment. As far as Clinton people deserting the ship never underestimate they see this as a vehicle for career advancement. What they will find at the end of the day is that they were used, and few if any will survive. The dynamic here is predictable and I have seen it operate in the corporate world in buyout situations too often. The relevant question never is how good are you but whose team were you on. They will soon learn how that works, and the mantra that we are all democrats is just window dressing. Meanwhile, Hillary is doing exactly what she should be doing at the moment. Please dont get too stressed over act one of this saga. The higher he goes the further he has to fall. Be patient and wait for act 3.

  103. All Clinton people to the rescue. Shows Obama didn’t have a plan or connections to bring about change on his own terms. He still needs the Clintons and their people (whom he trashed in the primary). All the rejects from the Clinton era were the first to endorse him and now all the cream is trying to prop him up, frankly because it is their livelihood and an opportunity to do good. All of this still reflects well on the Clintons but badly on Obama because it again shows how green and inexperienced he is. Perhaps we just have to be happy that he is not bringing any of his corrupt thugs from Chicago.

  104. wbboei, you’re right. if we see the Clinton cream of the crop deserting Obama, that is a sign things are going under..These are smart people — if there is not much for them in return they will leave.

  105. wbboei: Great new post and I fully agree that the Clinton plan for
    her political future are now underway.Self destruct by the One is the most plausible and clean surgical strike and still remain as the the answer to this political scenario and the fading of his support by people that care for our country. you and Emjay are my inspirational feeds.

    By ABM90 My mind is a sponge that that absorbs wise words from wise people. Thanks

  106. some people on Riverdaughter talking that Hillary Clinton has been considered for Secretary of State…not sure where they’re getting this info.

  107. wbboei siad: As far as Clinton people deserting the ship never underestimate they see this as a vehicle for career advancement. What they will find at the end of the day is that they were used, and few if any will survive. The dynamic here is predictable and I have seen it operate in the corporate world in buyout situations too often. The relevant question never is how good are you but whose team were you on.
    =========================

    I will take your word for the corporate situations that I among the leaves have never knonwn. But I’m confused as to who you are referring to as ‘deserting the ship’. Do you mean old Clinton cabinet people now invited to be in Obama’s cabinet (eg Summers)?

    IS it common in corporate takeover situations for the conquerer to restore his rival’s board members who were deposed by someone else a few years ago?

  108. birdgal – this person from Riverdaughter’s comments does not say where they got this info:

    Jmac, on November 10th, 2008 at 12:10 pm Said:

    Clinton – Sec of State??? Could it be true??? I don’t believe it:

    Obama’s most dramatic step would be to name New York Senator Hillary Clinton, his defeated rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, as secretary of state. Two Obama advisers confirm the idea has been discussed, though they say they don’t know how seriously the president-elect is considering it or whether Clinton would accept it.

  109. I think Clinton would make a good Sec. of State…I just feel like it could end up being a Colin Powell situation.

  110. Did you all see this weekend:

    Obama coins are now being sold on HSN (The Home Shopping Network)

    Laura Ingraham (Subbing on O’Reilly Factor Friday night) did a great imitation of Obama’s stuttering while not on teleprompter. It was hilarious. I wanted to tape it, but my machine wasn’t cooperating.

    She has really been speaking up for Sarah Palin and giving her guests grief. Love her for that!

  111. at least the Republicans and Fox News have been arguing about who is smearing Palin, and that there are Republican blogosphere’s trying to dig up the “cowards” who are trying to trash Palin…

    Can you imagine if the Democrats and the liberal media did this for Clinton?

    cows would be flying over the moon.

  112. independent2008 Says:

    November 10th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
    Did you all see this weekend:

    Obama coins are now being sold on HSN (The Home Shopping Network
    ———————————————————————————–

    QVC too. Franklin Mint. Maybe this is “normal?”

  113. CountTheVotes Says:

    November 10th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
    at least the Republicans and Fox News have been arguing about who is smearing Palin, and that there are Republican blogosphere’s trying to dig up the “cowards” who are trying to trash Palin…

    Can you imagine if the Democrats and the liberal media did this for Clinton?

    cows would be flying over the moon.

    ————————————————————————————————–

    I hope that those cowards are found out and EXPOSED!!!!! I am glad that some people are coming to her defense. Why hasn’t McCain said anything?????? Especially about the “rift” between he and Palin. I wonder if there was a rift and that is why he is not commenting. If so, he chose her so it isn’t Palin’s fault and if sometimes rift does occur like between Kerry and Edwards. Also read that Kennedy only chose Johnson because he needed Texas. Sounded like Kennedy wasn’t fond of Johnson either and certainly Robert didn’t like him.

  114. Here is the QVC description:

    “Advance orders ship 12/26/08.

    A valuable piece of history. This 2008 Kennedy half-dollar coin features the newly elected 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama. Struck by the US Mint, the legal tendered 44th President coin is layered in genuine 24K gold and comes displayed in an acrylic airtight coin capsule with a felt display box.
    Includes coin, coin capsule, and display box
    Coin imprinted with a famous quote and background information
    Two-sided; full color on each side
    Manufacturer’s Certificate of Authenticity
    Box imprinted with 44th presidential emblem design
    Made in USA “

  115. pm317 Says:

    November 9th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
    wbboei, we may not hear from BC or Hillary about what happened during the primary or the GE anytime soon. I hope we don’t have to wait for 8 years to learn of what happened with the con man. Even if Obama turns out to be a massive failure, how is it possible for another Democrat to challenge a President of their own party after the first term? That has never happened in the US history, right?
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Umm, you don’t have to go back too far: 1980, incumbent Carter challenged by one Ted Kennedy. And TK took it to the convention, despite being further behind than Hillary. I’m sure there are other examples of the incumbent president being challenged in the primaries, but usually by more whack jobs who have nothing to lose. Like in four years, don’t rule out Mike Gravel running as a Democrat, but unless something drastic happens, the rest of the field (Clinton, Biden, Richardson, Dodd, Kucinich, and who am I forgetting???) will not feel that a primary fight would be smart to undertake.

  116. That depends on how big a disaster Obama is or if something finally nails Obama’s colours and has to resign or polls slip into the toilet, leaving Biden there, then he will be challenged, anything can happen as we saw all too evidently this year.

  117. As they say ‘keep your friends close and your enemies closer”..maybe having former Clintonites will help Bill and Hillary know what this fraud is planning on doing….

  118. Secretary of state is a ticket to obscurity and Hillary will never accept. She is too valuable as the NY senator and for her expertise on just about any subject presented to her.Th e dynamics of foreign diplomacy has changed as the rest of the world sees this country on a downward slope toward being a toothless and economically weak new member of a Banana Republic clone.Obama is going to make many blunders and say many careless and dangerous statements that will have a negative effect in negotiations for any Secretary.She needs our support now and not be subject to so many criticisms by those that do not understand a thing about todays scenario of world
    conditions. The MSN squirrels are about to devour the fallen Acorn…

    By ABM90

  119. neetabug Says:

    November 9th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
    Hey there, anyone heard from Howard Dean?
    &&&&&&&&&&

    He and Brazile are still drunk on champagne, celebrating their coup de-parte, and coup de etat. They’re laughing and slapping each other on the back.

    To quote Tony the Tiger, they feel GREEEAAAAATTTT!

  120. The cynical side of me thinks that Hillary being considered for Secretary of State is just a red herring to appease her supporters that she was even on the short list. I think that rumors are going to get bigger and bigger that she is on many short lists before the actual truth comes out.

    I would love for her to be offered that position, but given Obama’s record, I have my doubts.

  121. Nah, its a ploy to get her out of the senate where she can cause trouble for Reid, if she accepts SOS then she’s under his control and can be fired at anytime and she’s nowhere then.

    You never put yourself under your enemy’s control because you become powerless. In the Senate she is publically elected, in the cabinet, she serves at will.

  122. jbstonesfan Says:
    November 10th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
    As they say ‘keep your friends close and your enemies closer”..maybe having former Clintonites will help Bill and Hillary know what this fraud is planning on doing….
    =======================

    That too. And at 3 am, they can still call the same number, er, person they called in the 90s.

  123. ABM90 Says:
    November 10th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
    Secretary of state is a ticket to obscurity and Hillary will never accept.
    =====================

    I agree. Sec of State is an executive job, ephermeral things. Hillary wants to do legislation, establish programs that will last (such as UHC, pre=kindergarten, etc etc).

  124. JanH Says:
    November 10th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
    The cynical side of me thinks that Hillary being considered for Secretary of State is just a red herring to appease her supporters that she was even on the short list. I think that rumors are going to get bigger and bigger that she is on many short lists before the actual truth comes out.
    =======================

    I expect youre right. Or Obama might make the offer with a lot of fanfare, with the understanding that she will decline. I don’t think she would WANT it, or any other position. She’s said she’s happy as the SEnator from NY. (Which is much more secure than any job Obama could offer!)

  125. The only reason they would ask Hillary for a cabinet position is that BO and teh rest want BILL’s library/foundation records open…they want to get into that in detail so they can deliver the final nail in the coffin….they probably have investors ready to short on any donors/companies who gave to bill!!!!

  126. moononpluto Says:
    November 10th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
    Nah, its a ploy to get her out of the senate where she can cause trouble for Reid, if she accepts SOS then she’s under his control and can be fired at anytime and she’s nowhere then.
    You never put yourself under your enemy’s control because you become powerless. In the Senate she is publically elected, in the cabinet, she serves at will.
    ========================

    Yep. She’s too smart to fall for that.

  127. looking forward, sarah Palin could be a force on GOP side in 2012. she can inspire the young, and those who want a woman in the White House. Her message is clear and her communication skill is super. GOP should prepare her for 2012.

  128. meiyingsu Says:

    November 10th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
    looking forward, sarah Palin could be a force on GOP side in 2012. she can inspire the young, and those who want a woman in the White House. Her message is clear and her communication skill is super. GOP should prepare her for 2012.

    —————————————————————————————————

    I agree! But sadly by the way things went down concerning women candidates and how they are treated. I don’t see how she could defeat Obama.

  129. Independent2008,

    Hillary wakes up a lot of people who realize sexism is alive, GOP and Puma could the force to defeat sexism.

  130. Sarah Palin should be very careful The GOP operative should start prepare now. Everything she and her family say and do should be very careful.

  131. Hope Sarah Palin will run on 2012. I will never NEVER NEVER call the con artis as my president.

    I will vote for SP 2012….

  132. NewMexicoFan Says: I have to tell you that the selection of Clinton people, is like rubbing salt in the wound. He abused her, he said she was likable enough, she won the popular vote, he rigged the convention, and then he uses Clinton people.
    People voted for him to be the decider, not a committee. He Abused, Used, and now uses the entourage. I am sorry, I see nothing of this that gives me comfort.
    =============

    I share the feeling. It’s like an admission that the Clintons were right all along — now that it’s too late.

    Still, putting those good people back in their jobs is good for the country.

  133. Terry mcAuliffe eyes elective office of his own in Virginia:

    latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/11/clinton-acolyte.html

  134. Just received an e-mail from Anne Lewis and hillpac.Great list on the hillary agenda going forward in her fight for we citizens.From the list of ongoing and subsequent bills that she is introducing, our gal has no interest in changing her agenda by accepting anything that BHO has put out as bait for his trap.Shehas more power now and support now than any of the good old boys can only dream of.The DNC is about to enter the realm of menapause for idiots.You canbet your sweet patootie that her support has grown in leaps an bounds.The Rpubs know that they can work with her and she holds no grudge not even BHO.She is the perfect example of the ultimate political strategist and she is a SURVIVER a shining star that will sparkle for all the world to admire when they realize that they too were snookered by the man from nowhere with no record to inspire confidence for lasting peace and prosperity to return to our lives.

    By ABM90 A Hillary high is most welcomed at this time.

  135. wbboei Says:

    November 9th, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    But the Republicans must learn the lesson of MoveOn.org. Founded in the bleak days of the Clinton impeachment, MoveOn developed a grass-roots Internet base. Building up its e-list of activists and contributors, MoveOn laid the basis for the incredible Internet appeal of the Obama campaign. At last count, Obama has 4.5 million donors, most online.
    &&&&&&&&

    Obama has 4.5 million donors, most online. And most from overseas. Also it wouldn’t be too surprising that many dead people were inspired to max out their donations at $4,600. The dead were also sufficiently inspired to vote, many of them voting more than once.

    Obama’s campaign:
    a) did nothing to prevent fraudulent donations
    b) did nothing to prevent illegal overseas donations
    c) encourage fraudulent and overseas donations
    d) all of the above
    e) was eternally vigilant in monitoring questionable donations

    4 out of 5 Bots choose e)!!!

  136. Just announced:Miriam Makeba died today, in Caserta, Italy after a concert.

    Her obituary, Mandela’s tribute and a 2 minute performance montage are here:

    news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7719318.stm

  137. djia

    you are so right about Piper- a nice uplift this aft… had to leave to go to school. Her driver? “Mama.”

  138. meiyingsu Says:

    November 10th, 2008 at 9:56 am
    from drudgereport,

    PAPER: Plans for National Holiday Honoring Obama…
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    He’ll probably be the first president to push for and sign his own Day. “It gives me great pleasure to sign the bill that I fought for, to declare Jan. 20th (my Inauguration Day) a federal holiday, Obama Day. This will be to commemorate….um, errr, mysel… President Barack Obama, the first African American president, who somehow fulfilled Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream of breaking with the past. On certain years, Obama Day will overlap MLK Day, in which case there will be two days off in a row, essentially shutting down the economy.”

  139. jbstonesfan

    loyal to Hillary to the end?

    Terry McAuliff- ineffectual, but rich.

    and right to the bitter end- Harold Ickes, very effective and much malinged because he is… by jealous insiders.

  140. Agree Emjay….Terry was outstnding!!!! And shame on me for forgetting how hard Ickes fought for her…When he (Ickes) did not pursuade/prevail at the delegate meeting I knew we (Hillary) was doomed as he is as good as they come.

  141. jbstones

    I should not have made the ineffectual crack about Terry…he is terribly disorganized and not very good at the office, organizing boots on the ground, scheduling type of stuff…BUT he can fund raise a bundle out of a lukewarm stone and make you proud you just pledged more than next month’s income.

    So, very effective in his own niche- and I apologize to him for what I said.

  142. Where’s Howie?

    WASHINGTON – Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean plans to step down from his post when his term expires in January, wrapping up a tenure in which the party heavily invested in all 50 states for a payoff that helped elect Barack Obama president.

    Dean, who was briefly his party’s presidential front-runner in 2004, was elected DNC chairman in 2005 and has long vowed to serve only one, four-year term. At a postelection news conference in Washington last week, Dean indicated again that he didn’t plan to stay on, aides said on Monday.

    President-elect Obama, a Democrat, was expected to choose Dean’s successor. Traditionally, the president selects the national chairman of his own party.

    Dean was the architect of a “50-State Strategy,” investing money and staff in every state — including those where Democrats had long fared poorly — to build party infrastructure and lay the groundwork for electoral gains. The Obama campaign, working with DNC organizers in all 50 states, won several states that had not elected a Democratic president in decades, including Virginia, North Carolina and Indiana.

    State party chairs were generally thrilled with Dean’s approach, while some Democratic leaders in Washington complained early on that the …….

    to be con’t

  143. party’s money would be better spent helping candidates who had a real chance of winning.

    The disagreement broke into open warfare in 2006, when Dean clashed over money and strategy with New York Sen. Chuck Schumer and Illinois Rep. Rahm Emanuel, who ran the party’s successful effort to win back control of Congress. Last week, Emanuel accepted the job of White House chief of staff in an Obama administration.

    Some of Dean’s most vocal detractors were former advisers to President Clinton. They include strategist James Carville, who once called Dean’s leadership at the DNC “almost Rumsfeldian in its incompetence.”

    During Dean’s tenure, Democrats regained control of Congress in 2006, and captured the presidency in 2008 while increasing their numbers in the House and Senate.

    Dean proved tough in enforcing party rules when he punished Florida and Michigan earlier this year, stripping them of their delegates for holding primaries ahead of schedule. The issue was eventually resolved at the Democratic National Convention in Denver in August, with all the delegates restored.

    Dean is a physician and former Vermont governor.

  144. Whether we liked it or not, whether it was right or wrong, Howard and the DNC was very effective in accomplishing their goal. We just didn’t see it coming!!

  145. I think one of the most important things to watch in the next few months is how the money is spent and on what. If Obama now thinks he is king of the hill, then just imagine how his tacky wife must feel. I wouldn’t be surprised if by following the expenditures we find that both have overstepped their mandates. She will bankrupt the White House and God only knows how she will redecorate it.

  146. meiyingsu Says:

    November 9th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
    pm317,

    Palin turned off a big trunk of independents and Hillary dems who voted.
    ************************************

    She turned ON quite a few also, this one included!

  147. It was Hillary’s campaigning for the Fraud that gave cover for her followers to vote for him…still can’t get over that.

  148. JanH Says:
    November 10th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
    She will bankrupt the White House and God only knows how she will redecorate it.
    ***********************************************************
    after witnessing michelle’s election night ensemble-from-hell, me thinks something along the lines of Dante’s inferno.

  149. I concur that Hillary should not accepct Secretary of State positon. There is apparently a rumor that Bambi wants to give her senate seat to Patterson. Aint gonna happen. The best thing Hillary can be doing right now is exactly what she is doing. Sit back and watch all the ambitious self promoting bot congressmen and senators jockey for positon, carve eachother up and find out that Bambis did not mean what they understood him to say. The Polish Presidentt would understand.

  150. maybe we should all email Senator Clinton and tell her not to take the position as secretary of state

  151. gonzotx Says:

    November 10th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
    It was Hillary’s campaigning for the Fraud that gave cover for her followers to vote for him…still can’t get over that.
    ******************************
    there are those that think Hillary’s supporters, should have ‘Listened’ to her, instead of taking the easy way out and following her. She very clearly said Bo wasn’t qualified to be President, she very clearly said
    McCain was… she was then forced
    to step down, and did what she had
    to do to save her position in the senate. The information was out there from PUMA’s and others.
    IMHO, Hillary is not responsible for
    their votes!

  152. Mish will be wearing a ballgown from the Demimonde Ensemble by K-Mart. Tacky yet appropriate.

    Not to be outdone, McCaskill will be wearing a gunney sack. She has ordered spitoons for her chawing tobacco. And she is brushing up on her favorite dance song Turkey In The Straw.

  153. gonzotx Says:

    November 10th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    It was Hillary’s campaigning for the Fraud that gave cover for her followers to vote for him…still can’t get over that.
    ===================

    Cover? Nov 4 was secret ballot.

  154. JanH Says:
    She will bankrupt the White House and God only knows how she will redecorate it

    =============================

    Gold license plate holders.

  155. turndownob..lol…gold or purple..geeh gosh lol..
    Days after 2008 campaign ends, speculation about 2012 race begins

    Posted: Nov 10, 2008 09:51 AM CST

    here is what the ap put out today ..
    WASHINGTON (AP) — It’s been a good five days since the last presidential election, so naturally it’s time to start the speculation about the 2012 race.

    From their travel schedules to their public comments, several Republicans appear to be testing the waters. At least two are planning visits to Iowa this month, the state that traditionally opens the nominating season with its presidential caucuses.

    Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal is slated to deliver a keynote address to the Iowa Family Policy Center, a prominent Christian conservative group. He was thought to have been on John McCain’s short list of potential running mates and is considered a rising star in the GOP.

    Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee is scheduled to visit Iowa as part of a nationwide tour promoting his campaign memoir, “Do the Right Thing.”

    Meanwhile, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has restarted his political action committee.

    And of course, there’s Sarah Palin. Of her effort as McCain’s running mate, the Alaska governor said: “I’m not doing this for naught.”

  156. Emjay, you put such a postive spin on the theivery that took place with this statement:
    ‘…Dean proved tough in enforcing party rules when he punished Florida and Michigan earlier this year, stripping them of their delegates for holding primaries ahead of schedule. The issue was eventually resolved at the Democratic National Convention in Denver in August, with all the delegates restored.’
    Let me be very clear, Dean and the RBC OVERRODE the rules, especially the one about ‘Fair Reflection’ by TAKING six of Hillary’s delegates that were represented by over 600,00 votes for Hillary, and GIFTING them to Obama. There is also a legal category called Uncommitted that voters can use when essentially they want to vote for ‘none of the above.’ Two candidates told their supporters to vote for them through the Uncommitted category on the Michigan ballot. Obama’s name was not even on the Michigan ballot, and yet Dean and the RBC GIFTED Obama those votes in that category. Also, the FL and MI delegate being ‘awarded’ after the sole candidate was Obama. I live in FL, and I will not forget those who voted me half a person.

  157. Also meant to to say that it may be true that Howard Dean is tough, but tough can be ruthless and lawless as well as unprincipled.

  158. ShortTermer, I agree with you on this.

    Would anyone guess who may be the next DNC chair? Brazille? Wasnt she supposed to step down if the superdelegates decide who the nominee’s supposed to be?

  159. ooops, sorry Emjay, I see now that you were posting an article on Dean. I only got to the second part as I read upthread, and well you know the rest.

    I apologize.

  160. Shortermer, we got to work with Florida, to ensure that the true democrats are elected. I have to admit that I was awed at the rally for Palin. So many diverse people there who really wanted Hillary to be the nominee.

  161. ShortTermer

    Thanks for being fair. Would you now please explain to Justmeinmtdora so that I don’t have to bear his/her wrath on this site forever?

    Thank you.

  162. Senator Clinton –

    I urge you Senator Clinton, as one of the million voices, who supported you for your quest for presidency and continue to express a strong desire as of this date that you be our next President. Now that President Obama is the elected president I have come to terms to accept this is as much as I disagree with his qualifications to be president. What I am concerned about is the possibility of him selecting you to be Secretary of State or another cabinet position and I hope as you continue to serve not only New York but that you continue to represent the 18 million voices who chose you. Please continue to stay true to the voices and be the Senator that you are. True to yourself and the voices who carried you all the way to South Dakota’s win and the 18 million cracks in that high ceiling yet awaiting for the final crack so the light can shine through for America.

  163. Wbboei: Never had that privilege of meeting Maj.Williams Ive his book and have admired his service to our country.Big war lots of Gi’s and being an NCO such a meeting would have been more than a remote possibility. I am enjoying your ever informative posts and your broad knowledge of politics and of course your support for Hillary.

    By ABM90

  164. ABM 90: I had forgotten this but he was 101st Airborne (Screaming Eagles). Today, he lives in Pennsylvania.

    My friend your wise words have been a beacon of light for me and many others in this war to defend our democracy and support the greatest political leader of our time Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    In many societies throughout history there was a recognized role for the wise woman, the priestess, and even a female leader. The Democratic Party today is not one of them.

    A country pays a price for discrimination. During the next four years that price will be extremely high. That may be reason to work with Lynn Rothchilde so long as it does not interfere with the work we all do her on 44, with our brilliant Admin. to whom we will always be grateful.

  165. One reason Hillary is a great leader is because she is so competent. Leaders need to be competent. Barack is not because he lacks experiece and moral courage. Organizations that are not competent do not survive.

    Here is a perfect example of what I am talking about. We built the prior company from 250 milllion to 4 billion over a period of 20 years. Then we sold it to a German company for a billion dollars. That company lost a billion every year thereafter. Today they laid off 10,000 people.

    Here is something I wrote to my old boss tonight. It illustrates what happens when sound leadership is not in evidence.
    ——————————————

    I have been thinking about you a lot my friend. Yes, we were a great company. We had great people and a very unique culture which got to the core of the problem and the solution quickly and accurately.

    It was a fun place to work and we made a lot of money for our shareholders. You were the driving force behind our success on the operations side of the business. Your influence at the executive level and down the chain of command made us the fine company we were.

    Working for you was the high point of my career and I knew I had your backing– when I was right. When the new company took over they killed the entrepnenurial spirit, operational excellence, cost control and customer intimacy that were the secrets of our success. And their executive team never understood the business.

    They were a bunch of Harvard educated empty suits–kind of like our president elect. They couldn’t make a decision if their life depended on it, and in the end it did.

    Bill

  166. Bayh says Clinton could be ‘historic’ senator
    By Klaus Marre
    Posted: 11/10/08 12:22 PM [ET]
    Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh (D) on Monday said he would be surprised if Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) accepted a Cabinet appointment, adding that she could be a “historic” senator.

    Asked on MSNBC whether the former first lady, whom Bayh supported this year for the Democratic presidential nomination, would be a good secretary of State, the senator answered that she would be a “great choice.”

    “But I’d be somewhat surprised. I think she has the ability to step in in the Senate and be a historic figure there,” Bayh stated. “I’d be somewhat surprised if she would be willing to give that up for a place in the Cabinet, which is significant, but, after all, you’re implementing someone else’s ideas, not your own.”

    With regard to filling the Cabinet, Bayh suggested President-elect Barack Obama retain Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

    “I’m a big fan of his. I told Barack before the election if I were him, I’d keep Bob Gates on,” he stated.

    Bayh also mentioned Indiana Sen. Richard Lugar and outgoing Nebraska Sen. Chuck Hagel as two Republicans who would be good choices for Obama’s Cabinet.

  167. Our struggle to make Hillary 44 has failed. We were for her, and by implication we had also fought to make her 45. The analysis shows there seems to be little chance for her being 45 either – although extraordinary occurrences can not be ruled out.

    In retrospect, it looks to me like a chess game. You are the better player but sometimes you lose to your opponent who isn’t.

    How and why? There are these spectators who don’t tell the poor player what move to make, because that would be unacceptable, but somewhat applaud every time he makes a lousy move – just like MSNBC has been doing during the primaries and final race to the presidency.

    This game is screwed up, there is no way playing it over again. Barack Obama is elected President.

    Therefore, for all of us, the right thing to do for the good of America and for the good of the world is to unite behind behind the man upon whom God (this is beyond man’s work) bestowed the presidency.

  168. Gezahegn Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 4:01 am

    Therefore, for all of us, the right thing to do for the good of America and for the good of the world is to unite behind behind the man upon whom God (this is beyond man’s work) bestowed the presidency.

    I disagree. The right thing to do for the good of America is to put Obama’s feet to the fire. He is poised to throw under the bus a lot of the things that the Democrats have been fighting for – all for his own glorification. He cannot be trusted to fight for Democratic values. It is up to us to make sure that he delivers.

    There would be enough people to sing Hossanna to Obama. To join in that chorus is to abdicate our role in the discourse, not to mention the fact that it is personally distasteful.

    If Obama can’t take the scrutiny, if he can’t take the heat, then he can only blame himself as he was the one who claimed that he is up to the challenge. We deserved a better president. Through his rhetoric, he convinced a lot of low information voters that he is qualified, nay that he is the messiah. It’s time for him to deliver. And if he can’t, we are more than justified to bury him for preventing us from getting a better president.

  169. Gezahegn…

    We didn’t just pick Hillary because we liked her pantsuits. We believed in her competency and principles. The country needed her badly and we lost her through corruption and dirty tricks.

    I don’t believe for a minute that God bestowed us anything. He doesn’t reward us for our stupidity or for falling for a scam.

    Here’s what I think we should do. Learn from our mistakes. Get together with independents and others in a “for the people” party. Start out with a huge re-examination of our entire (broken) electoral system. Neither party will do it without impetus, since both of them have now gained from the mess we call elections.

    We should think through:

    1. Getting rid of the electoral college.
    2. Getting rid of caucuses. They are simply a way of keeping most voters from voting.
    3. Designing a national registration system which is simple but effective in checking.
    4. Voting by phone or computer.
    5. If not, designing a machine which cannot be tampered with and will yield a copy and which enables a vote to be secret.
    6. If it is still a machine, then allowing the same amount of machines per person, not different by neighbourhoods.
    7. Make it a punishable crime to remove or add votes from any candidate.
    8. Make it a punishable crime to threaten or bribe any delegate to vote other than their voters wish.

    In the convention or hearings or whatever is held, hear from everyone, but reduce the influence or advisors who make a living gaming the system.

    We might also think about somehow making it necessary for candidates to not just show up for debates but to submit to questions about their past, present, and our future. And not for two minutes at a time.

    Part 2 would entail starting to find candidates as soon as the new rules were in place for 4 years from now – Inds, Dems, or Reps – and putting them forward. If someone catches on, we must insist that the debates etc. include lesser known people and cannot be dismissed if they have any serious backing.

    Meanwhile, if Obama does anything worthwhile, I’ll be pleased but I don’t see a homophobic sexist as God’s pick.

  170. birdgal Says:
    November 10th, 2008 at 10:21 am

    There was an article that I read yesterday, stating that Kennedy, who is head of the committee wants the full committee to work on it, and present it to President Obama (barf) for his signature. Senator Clinton is a junior senator and only ranks eighth on this committee. Kennedy is already working on it, which was announced earlier this year. He is one jealous person, who is quite full of himself.

    That may be, but I still think that they won’t be able to afford UHC because of the economic crisis. For them to be able to afford it, they would have to present a watered down version of universal healthcare. I think that Clinton should not touch it with a ten foot pole because this would only lend credibility to their work. She should be outside of the effort sniping and telling them what UHC should be about.

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