After The Lovin’

Time to rid ourselves of some more Mess-iah whoop-t-do (see HERE for “Was it a blowout? and information on how the Tuesday turnout was the same in percentage terms as 2004 and HERE for information on how tax increases are coming regardless of Obama’s words and Obama already running away from his campaign words, also – the check is in the mail).

Coat-tails? Coat-tails?

It’s fascinating that an election as historic and momentous as Tuesday’s, one that resulted in the election of the first African-American, indeed the first minority, president in history, is also one of the most complicated and nuanced in memory. [snip]

According to the National Conference of State Legislatures’ Tim Storey, the authority on such things, Democrats gained approximately 100 state legislative seats, about half of the normal turnover. In fairness to Democrats, it was hard to build on their impressive pickup of legislative seats in 2006.

But given the strength of the top of the ticket nationally, one might have thought that the victory would have been more vertically integrated. Notice where the gains were: New York, Delaware, Ohio, and Wisconsin; the losses: Tennessee, Montana, and Oklahoma. Storey points out that Democrats will now hold every state legislature in the Northeast (north of Virginia) except the Pennsylvania Senate.[snip]

Even having made these caveats, what happened down-ballot was not proportional to what happened at the top. It certainly can be argued that the Obama campaign had become such a highly personalized movement that it was unrealistic to expect it to carry down through its party, particularly in states that the campaign was not targeting and where Obama’s appeal was naturally less.

More on the topic of turnout, Ohio style:

Despite a record number of registered voters this year, intense interest in the presidential election and the historic outcome, Ohio’s voter turnout was lower Tuesday than in 2004, unofficial statistics show.

Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner is reporting 67 percent turnout, compared with 72 percent in 2004. She had been predicting 80 percent turnout this time. [snip]

“That’s rather puzzling, given the activity level,” said Paul Beck, a political-science professor at Ohio State University.

The total number of votes cast Tuesday declined in 69 of Ohio’s 88 counties when compared with official totals from 2004. In Franklin County, for example, about 10,000 fewer votes were cast this year.[snip]

But Sen. Barack Obama also garnered nearly 22,000 fewer votes statewide than Sen. John Kerry did in Ohio four years ago, despite a massive get-out-the-vote effort.[snip]

John Green, director of the Ray C. Bliss School of Applied Politics at the University of Akron, speculated that one factor at play might be that both Republican and Democratic voters stayed home this year.

Just as some Republicans might not have been enamored with McCain and didn’t want to vote for Obama, some Democrats might not have liked Obama and wouldn’t vote for him, he said.

“Beneath all of this enthusiasm that we saw on Election Day, there may have been some discouragement,” Green said.[snip]

“I’m perplexed,” said Herb Asher, professor emeritus of political science at Ohio State University.

Why do we focus on actual data rather than hoopla? Because in order to understand what is to be done we must know what happened. We’ll focus on what must be done in coming days.

One possible answer: votes counted twice for Obama.

Franklin County’s 62 percent voter turnout was lower than expected, but not in some precincts where an impossible 119 percent of those registered cast ballots. [snip]

Unofficial returns show that 524,207 of the county’s 846,343 registered voters cast ballots. But electronic votes were accidentally counted twice in three precincts as tallying discs were quickly fed into a centralized counter.

The affected areas are in the 15th Congressional District; there, Republican Steve Stivers leads Democrat Mary Jo Kilroy by almost 400 votes.

Errors were in Worthington’s 3-D, which has 534 registered voters and posted 633 votes. In Worthington 3-B, which has 951 registered voters, 1,095 votes were counted. And Columbus 19-F, in Clintonville, which has 1,066 registered voters, posted 1,138 votes.

The L.A. Times in late October revealing Obama but buried the article:

One of the striking ironies is that a man who draws tens of thousands of people to his rallies, whose charisma is likened to that of John F. Kennedy, can be sort of a bore. [snip]

I’ve watched Obama demonstrate a soccer kick to his daughter in Chicago; devour a cheesesteak in Philly; navigate a roller rink in Indiana; drive a bumper car; and catapult 125 feet in the air on an amusement-park ride called “Big Ben.” He’s done it all with dogged professionalism, but with little show of spontaneity. After all this time with him, I still can’t say with certainty who he is.

It was a reminder that behind the hype and the TV ads is this one rather vulnerable-looking guy. And in that moment came the question: Is he really ready to take over the toughest job on the planet? [snip]

First Clinton, then John McCain made the argument that Obama is someone we don’t really know. Obama’s supporters counter that we have his record in the U.S. and Illinois senates, two memoirs that reveal his inner thinking and a vast trove of public speaking. Ironically, those of us who were sent out to take his measure in person can’t offer much help in answering who he is, or if he is ready. The barriers set in place between us and him were just too great.

The L.A. Times buried their revealing Obama story but Newsweek throughout the campaign protected and pushed Obama and trashed Hillary and McCain. Now Newsweek’s Jon Meacham and Evan Thomas reveal Obama is “creepy” and “deeply manipulative“.

Shameful Rush Limbaugh, a Hillary Hater, who bears some responsibility for Obama getting gifted the Democratic nomination has some relevant comments on Newsweek and its lovin’ of Obama [transcript]:

Limbaugh asks the same question about Tom Brokaw. Charlie Rose and Tom Brokaw of the Obama lovin’ NBC admit they don’t know who or what Obama is or represents:

Only now, when it’s too late for the American voter, only now, after the lovin’, do Newsweak’s Jon and Evan tell us Obama is “creepy”. Brokaw adds a hapless ‘Obama who?’ after years of NBC shilling for Obama.

Have a cigarette Barack – you made it past the lovin’ – now give Jon and Tom and Evan ten dollars each and kick them out the door.

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92 thoughts on “After The Lovin’

  1. What’s really disturbing is that he keeps having phone conversations with head of state and then sending his aides out to contradict what the foreign leaders heard in the phone calls.

    This latest one is pretty serious. The United States has a commitment to our NATO allies to install missle defense in Poland. Now, Senator Obama is claiming he did NOT tell the President of Poland (a very close ally) that he will honor that commitment?

    Sounds like the foreign leaders are walking away from these phone conversations with the same reaction to the double-talk we had for two years: “Who do we believe? Him? Or our own lying ears?”

  2. awesome article, keep it up. We shall learn more of Obama as time comes. Yet we continue to need to clean up the DNC of the terrible trios and bring back the FDR’s Democrats.

  3. justmeinmountdorafl,

    first make sure they are defeated in 2010 and 2012 and then start the clean up process.

  4. exactly…. and bombard the DNC with letters of resentment with what the party leaders/elders are doing to our own PARTY and changing it to the PARTY OF THE ELITES!

  5. Obama Camp Disputes Some Perceptions Abroad
    November 08, 2008 5:40 PM

    According to the Web site of Polish President Lech Kaczynski, in a conversation yesterday between him, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk, and President-elect Barack Obama, the newly-elected American president said “that the anti-missile shield project will be continued.”

    Obama also “expressed hope that the political and military cooperation between the two countries will be continued,” the Polish President’s Web site says, per Bloomberg News.

    Obama disputes this characterization.

    Senior foreign policy adviser Denis McDonough in a statement said, “President-elect had a good conversation with the Polish President and the Polish Prime Minister about the important U.S.-Poland alliance. President Kaczynski raised missile defense but President-elect Obama made no commitment on it. His position is as it was throughout the campaign, that he supports deploying a missile defense system when the technology is proved to be workable.”

    In August, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and the Polish government signed an agreement for Poland to host 10 interceptor missiles, but Obama has not been a forceful advocate of this program and Polish leaders are concerned that Obama may ultimately end the project.

    “The American administration has changed. Whether the Americans’ decisions will change, we don’t know,” Tusk told the Gazeta Wyborcza newspaper. “If the Americans decide to stop or suspend the project, for example because of financial reasons, we will just accept this information. We can’t build it ourselves.”

    Russia opposes such a system, and almost immediately after Obama was elected Russia President Dmitry Medvedev announced plans to put missiles in an area between Poland and Lithuania to “neutralize” the missile defense system.

    Meanwhile, Hamas strongman Mahmoud Zahar told The Associated Press on Friday that he has hopes for President-elect Obama.

    “We hope, we hope, that Obama opens a new page with the world, including the Muslim world,” Zahar said.

    But the message from the Obama camp: Not so fast, Hamas.

    Obama senior foreign policy adviser Denis McDonough said in a statement: “President-elect Obama said throughout the campaign that he will only talk with Hamas if it renounces terrorism, recognizes Israel’s right to exist, and agrees to abide by past agreements

    — jpt

  6. This guy is not organized, and does not seem to have control. Interesting, as is seen as the One, you would think would have control over everthing.

  7. I just posted (against the tide) at pumapac.org:

    Obama is sneaky and destructive and appointing Summers to the Treasury may be a trap he set for us. If we bash Summers, then Obama can counter with saying that Bill Clinton appointed Summers in the 90s and call Bill a racist and sexist etc — AND use that as an excuse for not appointing ANY MORE of Clinton’s 90s staff.

    The charges against Summers seem pretty flimsy, just non-PC things he’s reported to have said. For the actual job of Treas Sec, his credentials sound just right — and this is an important job.

    If we fall into a trap by bashing Summers, we can hurt other 90s people, and Bill Cliinton — and discredit ourselves also.

    We wait, we watch, we prowl … we pounce. Let’s wait and pounce when Obama nominates someone who was NOT with Clinton.

    Here’s the background:

    h t t p : / / http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/11/08/summers_could_return_to_dc_bringing_baggage/?page=2#commentAnchor


    Summers could return to D.C., bringing baggage
    He is viewed as brilliant adviser

    …. Summers served as undersecretary and secretary of the Treasury during the Clinton administration, a generally prosperous time. Bill Clinton gave emergency loans to Mexico, which was in a financial crisis, saying that its stability was in the interest of the United States. Noting that the US government eventually made a profit, Summers cited that example in urging Obama to support the $700 billion bailout program passed by Congress last month.

    Pumapac is bashing Summers in the article comments and elsewhere about non-PC things Summers is reported to have said. Apparently some other women’s groups are also.

    Imo we should be very careful about jumping into this sort of lynching. BILL CLINTON appointed Summers. I’ll trust Bill’s judgement.

  8. It won’t be long now before the rest of the world knows what we have known all along…

    Nobama cannot be trusted! Nobama cannot be trusted! Nobama cannot be trusted! Nobama cannot be trusted!

  9. Summers sexist days at Harvard came after he left government. It wasn’t just his comments on women in the sciences. Granting tenure to women faculty ground to a halt at Harvard under his leadership.

  10. I wonder how the liberals, who were so against areass of the Patriot Act, will react when O starts restricting desenting opinions.

    What I have learned about the Dems this campaign, is cheating and fraud are OK as long as you are Dem, so I guess they will be OK with restricting dissent, after all you cannot not possible be going against The One.

  11. Idunn

    I’m not smart, just old(er). Have been a c-span junkie since Brian Lamb set it up, and a political junkie since Watergate. Favorite politician is Barbara Jorden, whom I first heard during those hearings. Next favorite is Ann Richards. Best political writer was Molly Ivens. And I’ve never been fond of Texas, much less lived there. But they sure produce women one can idolize. It must be in the branch water, or the whiskey.

  12. Barack Obama is the present hope for the Democratic party. not the hope for millions of Americans who want a less intrusive government

    Sarah Palin is the future hope of the Republican party, not the hope for the millions of Americans that believe in government intervention

    The Independents have no hope in fact that is where most of us fall. Our ideas, hopes and dreams are stifled by the 2 major parties.

    We will never get what is good, right and just as long as we give power to only 2 parties.

    I say to all, now is not the time for depression. Right now is the time to decide who will lead us into the future.

    Who are the leaders in your community, who has an independent voice and speaks for the people. Who shares your values, dreams and ideas….. these people, my friends, can be the future leaders. If you do not support them..the 2 main parties will select for you.

    Start your search now. It takes time but right now all you have is time. Commit to at least 1 meeting or event to watch who is moving up. Stay on top, subscribe to their website or newsletter. Movements always start small.

    DON”T expect the Democrats or the Republicans will always give you the best candidates (an understatement).

    FIND THE NEW LEADERS NOW.

  13. So with what is happening to Lieberman right now, does this explain Hillary’s actions where Obama is concerned? Was she threatened with huge repercussions if she didn’t follow party and candidate? Did she bite her tongue and become a good little soldier so that in the end she could still represent those who had voted her in to the best of her abilities?

  14. JanH:

    I think you are right….what is happening to Lieberman is probably what may/could happen to hillary if she does not toe the DEM line.

    BUT at the end of teh day, one ha sto ask…what is more important: personal career or personal integrity and belief system.

    I have not always agreed with Liebermen but in this instance he is putting his own personal integrity and belief system….which will earn my respect…

    I do not like “ya sayers” ….

    And I will put my final judgment for Hillary a few months after jan 20…when she should speak up openly!!!!

    I do not not want unity for unity’s sake…

  15. # JanH Says:
    November 8th, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    So with what is happening to Lieberman right now, does this explain Hillary’s actions where Obama is concerned? Was she threatened with huge repercussions if she didn’t follow party and candidate? Did she bite her tongue and become a good little soldier so that in the end she could still represent those who had voted her in to the best of her abilities?
    ************
    I think that happened and was the only threat that would work with Hillary. Her main responsibility was still to the people of NY state and unlike Obama she wouldn’t throw them under the bus.

  16. I have been laboring over this one paragraph and I really like it now. I think it will prove true.
    ——————————————
    We the people have no control over the rise and fall of the Great Obama. The zeitgeist must play itself out so young people learn that national leaders cannot be selected by the criteria of American Idol and that experience matters. If I am right then Obama’s demise will dictated by future events and his anomalous response to them. It will proceed with dramatic precision to a dénouement which no one foresaw but everyone agrees was inevitable after the fact. Like the Native American Tribe we cannot control the sun, the moon and the stars. But there are three things we can do: i) first, we must adopt the position that he is not “our” president– because he cheated to get in, ii) second, we must take appropriate steps to protect ourselves from this crisis, and his errant response to it which will be forthcoming, and ii) third, we must adhere to the time honored traditions of our community, as follows

  17. I should mention (not that it matters) that the dramatic precision sentence was written by ambassador George Kennan and appears in his essay on St Petersburg. I posted it here late last year because it is the most beatiful piece of prose I have ever read.

  18. I think that happened and was the only threat that would work with Hillary. Her main responsibility was still to the people of NY state and unlike Obama she wouldn’t throw them under the bus.
    ——————————————-
    That is the most satisfactory explanation and therefore the one we should adopt. It has the added advantage of being true.

  19. Bambi can swap spit with the arab terrorists for awhile, but when Beebe gets in he will be between a rock, a hard place and AIRPAC. Ben N–who is a real heavy weight compared to Bambi. Tough as nails. Dennnnisssss help. So hum me a few bars of Fools Rush In Where Angels Fear To Tread. I look at the appointments they sure like the B-Team to me. I could make a suggestion or two but why bother. When you are a Messiah you do not need advice. You just know.

  20. JanH

    Did you mean what has happened to Lieberman SINCE his meeting w/ Harry Reid, or, what happened at the meeting?

  21. But there are three things we can do: i) first, we must adopt the position that he is not “our” president– because he cheated to get in, ii) second, we must take appropriate steps to protect ourselves from this crisis, and his errant response to it which will be forthcoming, and ii) third, we must adhere to the time honored traditions of our community, as follows
    —-

    /b first, we must adopt the position that he is not “our” president– because he cheated to get in, b/

  22. first, we must adopt the position that he is not “our” president– because he cheated to get in..

    —-

    Not my president!!!!

  23. Emjay,

    I meant both. The idea that he could lose his powers and has threatened to caucus with the Republicans if that happens. While some feel that he has stood his ground and is a true hero, I just wonder how much more weakened he will become thanks to DNC tactics.

  24. This latest one is pretty serious. The United States has a commitment to our NATO allies to install missle defense in Poland. Now, Senator Obama is claiming he did NOT tell the President of Poland (a very close ally) that he will honor that commitment?
    ———————————————
    THE FUCKING LOON.

  25. They havent even rung the starting bell and bambi has knocked himself out. Whoever said this was Bush lite was wrong. This is Bush on stereoids, and he is articulate enough that people understand him when he gaffs. Hang on to your hats kiddies. This is gonna be like a Buster Keeton silent movie with the car out of control. Hope, change, have you kissed a terrorist lately. Even the meanest terrorist deserves a second chanunce. When does mansons next parol hearing come up. Maybe he can pardon him and Rezko at the same time. One final thought: dont place your bet on Souter. My choice? I would have taken it someone with balls. Need I say whom?

  26. After a long primary and a long general election campaign it seems we are still playing WORM – What Obama Really Meant. This time the WORM turns for the Polish government.

    In Poland, Obama is now a Polish joke.

  27. My choice? I would have taken it someone with balls. Need I say whom?
    —–

    Clarence Thomas!!!!!!! I never knew that I woudl say that!!!

  28. hwc,

    Do you think a Bill Clinton appointee went mad AFTER the 90s, or was secretly mad and evil all along, and Bill didn’t know (or didn’t care?)?

    In hindsight, if we credit Bill with choosing the right Sec of Treasury to produce the prosperity of the 90s — would you rather Bill had chosen someone else? Is PC on these gossip charges more important than FIXING THE ECONOMY?

    Whatever people say about Summers, leads to smearing Bill with the same brush. We need to fix the economy. The next Treas Sec will get to spend the $700 billion. Summers did a good job on bailout loans to Mexico in the 90s — got the money back with interest.

    In this election, a qualified candidate was rejected because some people chose to interpret some of her remarks as ‘racist’. Let’s not do the same kind of thing to a qualified Treas Sec.

  29. Jan

    To be frank, Joe’s chessboard position at this point depends on a couple of the states with races still too close to call.

    The more Dems that win, the weaker his position.

  30. I am telling you for sure–this guy is incompetent. And THAT is the scariest thing about him. The campaign was checkers. What he will be facing now is three dilmensional chess.

    Oh sure he’s got advisors. So did we when our campaign director sent us from Monaca to Kitani PA to open an office for our Hillary. We followed the turnpike for an hour and then we came to one of those Yogi Berra when you come to a fork in the road take it-places. The garman (GPS device) said go north; the map said go south; and the roadsign said go west. Since we had never been to Kitani before we went west and ended up at the Ohio border–not where we wanted to be. Advisors are fine long as you know what you are doing. Otherwise it is an exercise in heuristic trial and error. Scarey shit.

    You want another example he doesnt know what he is doing I will give you one. How about his little proposal to save failing small businesses by granting them loans while he piles 4% increases in FICA and 4% surcharges on them. THAT is the cause in fact why they will shut their doors. How so I know. They tell me so, after they put a pencil to it. If a small business is in trouble the last thing it needs is higher taxes and a loan. Only a loon would propose that.

    Now bear in mind this propoal was not a shot in the dark. It was the result of a deliberative process where he and his vaunted Harvard advisors sat in a room at the Ritz Carlton puttin on ritz and came up with this absurd proposal on the assumption it would save small business. But none of them and least of all the Messiah had ever run so much as a hot dog stand.

    So roll in the piano, forget the Missouri Waltz and Harry Truman pound out a few bars of Happy Daze Are Here Again and where the fuck are you Harry when we need you? Like now.

    Emjay–its the Imperia.

  31. mp Says:

    November 8th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
    My choice? I would have taken it someone with balls. Need I say whom?
    —–

    Clarence Thomas!!!!!!! I never knew that I woudl say that!!!
    ————————————–
    Right on bro. Or–Nino.

  32. You know the left–and I mean the HARD LEFT has never had power before. And now suddenly they do. Revolutions eat their children.

  33. wbboei, here is another result of the Obama “delliberative” process:

    Recall that the Obama big foreign policy speech was also prepared for months. The result of all that work was Obama’s “attack Pakistan” disaster.

    The Obama campaign sent out press releases and summaries of his speech as well as the speech itself to Big Media outlets touting his brilliant foreign policy speech. The “attack Pakistan” section Obama read was part of the carefully prepared speech. Obama had to WORM his way out of his big prepared speech.

    So, Obama can’t speak off the cuff and even his prepared statements of months long vetting are a problem.

  34. Recall that the Obama big foreign policy speech was also prepared for months. The result of all that work was Obama’s “attack Pakistan” disaster.

    The Obama campaign sent out press releases and summaries of his speech as well as the speech itself to Big Media outlets touting his brilliant foreign policy speech. The “attack Pakistan” section Obama read was part of the carefully prepared speech. Obama had to WORM his way out of his big prepared speech.

    So, Obama can’t speak off the cuff and even his prepared statements of months long vetting are a problem
    ———————————————
    ADMIN: right on. You are batting 1000.

    And remember the day when he succumbed to the Hoagy Carmichael tune and got Georgia On My Mind. He changed his position not once not twice but three times in a single day. Like I said before Putin wasn’t sure whether to push the red button, file a cause of action in the International Court of Justice or go windsurfing with on the north side of the Big Isand –Where Flamingos Fly (Dakota Statton). Enigmatic–to put it chariably.

  35. I got a little irked with Oprah mentioning 52%

    Oprah is dilusional if she thinks 52% is a majority. 300 million people in this country and 123 million voted = 40% of our population and only 62 % of those eligible
    (btw 121 mil voted in ’04)

    52% represents only those that voted, does she discount every man, woman and child that did not vote about 180 million…just maybe Oprah..they do not agree with you and maybe they are sick of this pathetic excuse of politics we have and decided not to participate. enjoy your minute but just know Americans were not served honestly they were hoodwinked

    When all the people in this country have a voice…then and only then, Oprah, will there be victory!!!!

    BHO will forever be to me “that one”, I will not refer to him as president.

  36. Bambi prizes quantity over quality. Three hundred advisor–most of them Harvard trained. Very impressive I am sure. If it were me I would lock them in a sound proof room and let them argue with eachother where I dont have to listen to it. And then I would throw away the key. FDR had Marshall. Patton said he would rather face the creme of the German army. He went to lowly VMI, where Robert E. Lees horse Traveller is embalmed. (Let us hope they have an adjacent stall for Poosie when she decides to slip the mortal coil). Now that is an advisor worth listening to.

  37. This is off topic, but does anyone know about a bill that Obama has promised to sign that is about unions having the right to come in to a business. A republican from New York apparently wrote the bill.
    Our hospital is up in arms over the union trying to come in and apparently now really scared because Obama is in??

  38. Summers was a lame duck appointment. He came in after Robert Rubin bailed to Citibank and served the final 18 months of the Clinton admin.

    You can have him. I’ve had it up to here with the sexist crap from the Democratic Party.

    The no confidence votes from the faculty at Harvard had very little to do with his sexist speech.

  39. hwc,

    Even 18 months as Bill Clinton’s SEc of Treasury is better experience than anyone else has for the job.

    And if you want to call Summers a sexist, doesn’t that reflect on Bill too?

    I expect you’re right that the Harvard thing was not really about his speech. I expect it was some office politics thing. A comment elsehwere said (rather incoherently):
    “Summers was very popular among the students during his presidency at Harvard because he believed in accontability and that those students knew that their inflated grades were meaningless. Most of the faculty at the various schools within Harvard supported Summers because he believed in accountability and that individuals hired to teach should do that — teach and assess through exams and papers.”

    Sounds kind of like what Palin did in Alaska, and made some enemies therby.

    Here is the speech:
    h t t p : / / http://www.president.harvard.edu/speeches/2005/nber.html

  40. The students liked Summers because he hung out with them and has the social skills of a teenager.

    It wasn’t just an office squabble that earned him the no confidence votes. The faculty could not stand him. They thought he was a petty two-bit tyrant.

  41. hwc,

    Sounds like the sort of thing Sarah has been accused of — especailly by the people she defeated or fired — while earning an 80+ approval from the citizens.

    How come the Clintons didn’t notice all these Horrible Character Flaws that Summers supposedly had?

    Let’s not throw a Clinton person to the PCs, the same kind of ‘feminists’ who endorsed Obama over Hillary.

  42. Did I miss something or did Obama grandmother even have a funeral?? If she died on election day, why has no one even asked about a funeral?? She has probably been dead and buried months aga!

  43. wbboei Says:
    November 8th, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    This latest one is pretty serious. The United States has a commitment to our NATO allies to install missle defense in Poland. Now, Senator Obama is claiming he did NOT tell the President of Poland (a very close ally) that he will honor that commitment?
    *****
    does this guy think he’s still running for office? sounds like that Austan Goolsbee (or whatever his name is) flap with Canada….well, Mr. President-Elect, welcome to the real world. Words do matter, and there is no room for endless WORMs.

  44. BHO will only be “That One” to me. I Will NOT acknowledge him as my president. Unfortunately I have worse feelings about him than I did about George W. Bush…and we all see how that turned out.

    BO is playing the games…going through the motions of what a “president-elect” is supposed to do. When things settle…the mask will come off….After all FIVE POINT THREE BILLION DOLLARS WAS NOT SPENT (over recent months and few years to guarantee a stolen election/coup), in vain by the hard left to NOT see their agenda passed eventually.

    BHO is waiting till the honeymoon is over….then the REAL AGENDA BEGINS TO UNFOLD! We must keep vigilant watch on every move and word and impression the ‘That One’ makes….He IS sneaky, creepy and manipulative. Bill Ayers, Soros et al…Hitler, I mean Axelrod …have already been assigned their appointed positions in his cabinet. Remember their agenda is not always apparent to the public. They operate in COVERT WAYS infiltrating their ideology.

    GOD HELP US….as was stated when Bush had his inaguration parade!

  45. I mean GOD HELP AMERICA! I remember someone wrote on a poster and held up during Bush’s inaguration parade.

    We will not be able to count on Michael Moore to make a truth documentary about That One because he is in the tank for him, unlike the Bush documentary about 911.

  46. My band of brothers and sisters are active and accurate this morning.Right on the the path to 24/7 exposing and foot warming the actions of this ring of Baloney that Obama is currently put together as his advisers and headed by MO.
    The ship of state has a new skipper coming on board and it must surely be renamed the Titanic as the maiden voyage begins
    He and his motley crew think he is the ONE.They are seeking a permanent berth in these economic times of distress.
    So much to accomplish and so little time to waste
    Remember the worldwide pictures of one beatiful and courageus
    Hillary Rodham Clinton stand in the great Hall in Beijing and telling Mao and the world that the treatment of its women and their daughters was a crime that the world would no longer ignore.My wife and I both cried as we saw history being made by this smart brave patriot for justice and compassion as she kicked him in the teabags,
    She showed all the outstanding traits that we want in our CIC and NY was the first to recognize that and rewarded her with their senate seat and they have never been let down.
    Keep this portrait in sight America as you accept this new person from nowhere at the wheel of our ship of state.Remember that “He stayed at a Holiday Inn Express’ and is ready for change.He not only walks on water buy now he will have to drink it.Salt water that is.

    By ABM90 He is the Fountain of fools that keeps giving 24/7

  47. Wbboei,
    Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

    Emjay, where are you sending stuff? To hawketales blog? (I don’t go there much)

    I woke up with these thoughts.
    REMEMBER:
    January – Bush convinced BO wouldn’t win the WH.
    HRC and BC convinced BO couldn’t win the WH.
    JM convinced he would be the next prez.

    And THEN;

    HRC conceding and campaigning for BO
    Jm COMPLIMENTING BO after the 2nd debate
    GWB placidly congratulating BO on his win
    AND;
    BO being dead sure he would be elected ever since Super Tuesday?

    Did HRC, BC, GWB and JM all get the same message(threat) at the same time?
    Were the repubs completely complicit in electing BO?
    Did everyone except the American people know the fix had been in for the past 4 years?

  48. ADMIN!!!!!!!!
    PLEEEEZZZZEEEEE POST THIS!!!!!!!!
    I found this at merrybe’s site. Video of downtown Philly erupting Tuesday Night. if this doesn’t scare the cr@p outta you i don’t know what will. THIS is why I feel the need for protection. Notice at around the 4 minute mark when the guy wearing the McCain/Palin tee shirt is arrested. (for his own protection, I think).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vynzd9cpQRQ&

  49. Here are the other cult markers at merry be’s

    therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/the-obama-cults-o-revisited/

  50. His experience (or lack there of) already showing in Poland in International affaris;. They were so excited to see him elected, they can hardly wait to take advantage of him.

    This is a complex and terrible situation he has inherited and ask for. So who will judge his performance honestly. Those who voted for him will think he is doing exceptional with what he was handed, and those who did not vote for him will criticize him. The press will spin his way, as they are part of the voters choice group.

    In the end, it will be the voters, those in the middle that he managed to vote his way the first time. If the taxes etc, are in place at the end of 4 years, people in the middle migjt just have their vision cleared.

  51. Howard Kurtz says the press should treat BO as though the country is in an emergency like after 911 and the kid-glove treatment GWB got after it.

    WTF!!!!!!

  52. basil9

    That is the reason we have poor leaders, is we demand nothing of them. It is that old behavior of we elected him, so we could not be wrong. Reminds you when bosses hire people, and until that boss leaves you have a halo, because he could not have chosen wrong.

    When will we demand of people we put in office, and not give them a pass in everything, because we elected them. Then maybe they will start thinking something is really expected, and they need to work, and not whine about did we really expect him to get anything done with the crap he was handed.

    He wanted it and he is expected to handle it. Not put out a call, hay anyone have any ideas on the economy? They elected him to take care of the economy, thinking he and the Dems had a better plan. WHAT PLAN, and the voters thought they had one.

  53. What’s really disturbing is that he keeps having phone conversations with head of state and then sending his aides out to contradict what the foreign leaders heard in the phone calls.

    This latest one is pretty serious. The United States has a commitment to our NATO allies to install missle defense in Poland. Now, Senator Obama is claiming he did NOT tell the President of Poland (a very close ally) that he will honor that commitment?

    Sounds like the foreign leaders are walking away from these phone conversations with the same reaction to the double-talk we had for two years: “Who do we believe? Him? Or our own lying ears?”
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    Two questions: does yes mean yes in Polish or does it lose something in the translation? how long can the messiah bamboozle them on a world stage? Wait til they all descend on him to collect their IOU. And he hasnt even taken office. He told Iraq to suspend negotirations with Bush til he took office. Wonder what surpises he has in store for them. Hope, Change, I PUSHED THE WRONG BUTTON. Since Big Media will say only nice things about the Messiah we must assume the sacred constitutional duty ourselves to vet him, until he shuts down the internet–which he is having dean work on as we speak. A young politically astute internet saavy hillary supporter friend of mind told me about this. We need to check into what he is doing on that front for the far left. If it is bullshit fine but if there is smoke there is fire we had better be ready for him on that front too.

  54. Kurtz is finally talking about whether BO got a free pass coz he’s black.
    Maybe the one silver lining about this election disaster is that race finally will become irrelevant. Since Bo stole the GE no one can claim racism. OTOH, other folk can and should be screaming affirmative action. i doubt that will happen.

    The Poland issue is simply beyond the pale. See Russia surge.

    I’ll be back later.

  55. Is there any need for the U.S. media anymore? If they do not fulfill their mandates with integrity and honesty, if they do not provide full unbiased coverage without a barrage of unwanted opinions and harsh diatribes, if they have simply become a subliminal/propaganda offshoot of King Obama and his merry thugs?

    I suggest that as a newly formed communist country, much like has happened throughout Russia’s tainted history, that this unholy group of wannabe journalists simply become a puppet offshoot of “his majesty’s” kingdom and simply be used to distribute his communiques and orders to the rest of the nation in toneless and droning voices of acquiesance. Perhaps a common uniform could also be worn…possibly grey and nondescript with the Obama emblem front and center and the Obama flag flowing in the background.

    A new day has begun…

  56. Howard Kurtz says the press should treat BO as though the country is in an emergency like after 911 and the kid-glove treatment GWB got after it.

    WTF!!!!!!
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    Hi Basil: congratulations on the rifle. I am sure it will provide hours of fun at the shooting range. It can provide personal protection as well. Good job.

    Like the NRA used to say before bambi repealed the second amendment by fiat– better to have it and not need it–than need it and not have it.

    I am a pacifist myself. Whenever I see a rifle I want to plant a flower in it and tell the hunter he will live longer if he becomes a vegetarian.

    I went to a gun store and sold my Walthurs PPK.-22. It was so loud it hurt my ears. I felt real good about it because I hate violence.

    But a funny thing happpened on the way out the door. I fell in love–with KIMBER SIS 45 automatic. We just had to get married.

    Seriously, is the most beautifully balanced piece I have ever handled. Very tight spring on slide. Classic 1911 design. You can see it on website.

    This gun has a history. It is standard issue for the Special Investigative Service of the LAPD. They are detectives affiliated with the SWAT team. A late friend LW helped found that unit.

    The SIS role is to birdog the worst of the worst criminals in their jusrisdiction and wait for them to commit a crime. Obviously, they know the line between a lawful arrest and entrapment.

    The gun has a proven track record of success in the line of duty: 38 notches. SIS has made some modifications to the basic model but the only one I can see is the ensignia on the slide.

    It looks like a very reliable weapon. I take it to the range next week. I expect to have alot of fun with it. I will invite some friends who are interested.

    Hope you enjoy the rifle.

  57. Basil: Kurtz is in deep water. The one thing we do not need is for big media to become a tool of the state. I take his cautionary note seriously. So should everyone else. However, I do not want personal liberty to be destoyed if our worst fears are realized. When he talks this way he becomes a traitor to his profession and ultimately to our country. The bottom line is whatever happens Obama will be inclined to overreach and some one will need to be there to expose him. The last thing we need is a dictator.

  58. I have never been interested being armed UNTIL NOW!!!

    I am still in rural America and have had the opportunity to meet some folks who do specialised training…..one of the best in the country!!!

    And you bet!!! I am thinking of owning some and doing the training….

    YEP I support the NRA and my second amendment ALL THE WAY…..

    Get rid of the inner city THUGS…especially from CHICACO!!!!

  59. wbboei

    Are you up yet?

    Windsurfing and surfboarding is done off North shore of Oahu, as is bodysurfing when it is not too dangerous- which it often is. Best wind and body surfing is Hookipa, on Maui.

    On Hawaii, the Big Island, not so much of the surfing BO likes or does…too many cattle ranches and macadamia and coffee farms…it is really a lot like Iowa with its corn and soy and pigs…just WAY different weather.

  60. And Hawaii has a mountain with snow on it, molten lava that has eaten 2 towns and a highway on the east coast, and rainforests on the north-northeast shore.

  61. I have not seen very much about Rahm Emanuel on the Big Pink and would like to put a positive spin on his choice as Chief of Staff.

    Good move on BO’s part: Congressman from the 5th district, he knows where those bodies are buried,,,on Bill Clinton’s staff he knows how the WH is run (and where those bodies are, and can be, buried) and was responsible for driving thru BC’s very centrist budget on the hill, so he knows where a lot of Dem and Rep Hill bodies are buried.

    He is a very centrist Dem, was at Hillary’s back during her campaign, supporting her with party discipline, peoplepower and $$ and was a very strong surrogate.

    They remain close and he has never dissed her or Bill; though he has the foulist mouth in DC, he saves it for true enemies…of both parties and K Street, the press and media and wannabes. He can spot, smell and/or intuit a danger from 25 paces.

    One of his main jobs for BO is going to be to rein in Pelosi, Reid, Conyers, Frank and the rest of the hard left…because BO cannot afford to have that wing of the party take control. They are already backing away from their big talk and his appointment is only 3 days old.

    He will also have to herd cats w/in the WH and the Pentagon and the vice preident’s office.

    There is no more important DC position than the COS other than the POTUS…and sometimes that is questionable.

    Rahm is giving up a lot too. It is not for sure his family will move to DC and for a job that is 24/7, that could not have been an easy choice. Remember also he is giving up one of his big dreams…he was probably going to be the next House Leader, after only 4 or 5 terms in office.

    A friend told me once that Rahm has friends and power because he will not knife you in the back. He will kill you, but he always tells you why, and beforehand, so your fate is always in your own hands.

  62. On Hawaii, the Big Island, not so much of the surfing BO likes or does…too many cattle ranches and macadamia and coffee farms…it is really a lot like Iowa with its corn and soy and pigs…just WAY different weather.
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    Emjay: you are right as usual. I am always impressed with your knowledge. Looking for big waves on the big island is like looking for job related experience in bambi’s resume: there is no there there.

  63. My gosh

    Do you think Tom Broke-it has been reading the well-deserved criticism about his and Charlie Rose’s duet confession re “don’t know BO… don’t know how to descibe him… don’t know what he really stands for… don’t really know his past… etc.” on Oct 30th?

    He is being so even handed this am on MTP on c-span, that I had to double check the schedule to make sure it was TomBoy.

  64. wbboei

    You flatterer, you.

    Like I told Idunn- it just comes from being old(er).

    Also Jim and I owned a home on west side of Alii Drive, just south of town (Kona-Kailua) on Hawaii, until he died.

    It might be a good time to buy back real estate there.

  65. Emjay: how come old(er) works for you and it doesn’t work for me. I am as dumb as I ever was. I just know where the land mines are. But that is more than I can say for Bambi.

    It is far, far, far too late for Brokaw. In this life what counts is the information we have AT THE MOMENT OF DECISION. He failed to get it, and failed to present it when it was timely. If you present yourself to the world as a journalist–someone we can rely on for the truth this is a cardinal sin. There is no coming back from it.

    It is like the Oxbow Incident if you ever say the movie. Ed Begley and the rest of the mob hung a man and moments after the deed is done they realize he was the wrong man. A lack of due diligence yield a bad and irrevocable decision.

    Thomas Sowell would say this about him: he is not worth listening too.

  66. emjay, hwc,

    emjay, thanks much for the rundown on Rahm EMmanuel. I’m glad to see confirmation of him being a “Clinton stalwart,” as an Aussie paper put it.

    What’s your take on Summers? I don’t suppose he’s had much occasion to be a ‘stalwart’ in academia, tho the Aussie paper also called him one.

    hwc, do you know how long Summers was Undersecretary of the Treasury before succeeding Rubin — or held other high positions in that department?
    Wikipedia, which I don’t trust anyway, only says:
    Summers left Harvard in 1991 and served as Chief Economist for the World Bank (1991–1993) and later in various posts in the United States Department of the Treasury under the Clinton administration.
    From 1999 to 2001 he served as Secretary of the Treasury, a position in which he succeeded his long-time political mentor Robert Rubin.

    Imo we should support these signs of occasional sanity from BO. For one thing, if we oppose good old Clinton people, we’re discrediting ourselves or Clinton or both.

  67. basil9

    I have been using hilary xxwxx, from maybe a year ago. I also posted it here in full, for you. I will find it and post here again,or send me your addy thru admin. Let me know which you want.

  68. It might be a good time to buy back real estate there.
    —————————————
    I am with ya emjay. Lets find the tract of land where they had the gun tower they used in From Here To Eternity. If it is still standing we can buy in as tenants in common. We will be safe there from the depreations of . . . Howard Kurtz.

  69. Emjay: it is too fluid for me to assess now. The Australian newpaper makes a bit of a leap here in assuming that because Summers served briefly in the Clinton cabinet that he is per se a Clinton stalward. Lest we forget the same could be said of Judas Richardson until he showed his true colors. The real connection here, I think, is the world bank. That comports with my original theory that Bambi is a tool of global interests.

  70. If Bambi had any sense at all he would bring in Robert Rubin. It is a no brainer. He was pushing to reform the global financial system a decade ago to avoid the very collapse we have seen. He is in fact a clinton supporter. The guy is a great American and knows what he is doing.

  71. turndown

    take on Larry:

    First class brain and smarts in Money and Banking and Macro-Economics

    Fourth class personal skills.

    Lowest class skills dealing with those he considers inferior.
    Those included are definitly women- he was known for being a crude, rude, ungentlemanly male since graduate school, even though it was well buried because so many other male academics and up-and-comers were equally so..subtle sexists and in that realm, dumb and clumsy as rocks.

  72. wbboei

    I think Robert Rubin wants to stay clear of this mess until he is either THE mapmaker or can get his hands on the existing map.

    Same goes for Secretary of State, given BO’s propensity for talking directly, out of both sides of his mouth, to world leaders.

  73. I just read somewhere Hillary was denied a subcommittee chair on health coverage — so much for her 18 million support and her expertise on healthcare, not even a subcommittee chair? She and her supporters like me and you are not getting anything for another 8 years. I know certain people here will jump on me for saying it but that is the reality and I am angry and outraged. The majority of the 18 million walked away with her to Obama’s camp while she campaigned heartily for him. I feel like I have been taken for a ride more than once.

  74. Lowest class skills dealing with those he considers inferior.
    Those included are definitly women- he was known for being a crude, rude, ungentlemanly male since graduate school, even though it was well buried because so many other male academics and up-and-comers were equally so..subtle sexists and in that realm, dumb and clumsy as rocks.
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    That is the Summers I recall. It is what forced him to step down as dean of hvd. It is probably what Bambi likes most about him. Sort of reminds you of wolfowitz on a personal level.

  75. Robert Rubin said no.
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    pm: that is telling. Thanks for letting me know.

  76. wbboei,

    I agree that we don’t have proof of Summers being a ‘Clinton stalwart’, as there may not be much occasion for that in his current job in academia.

    However we do know something about his other qualifications for Treas Sec. He was Undersecretary of the Treas before succeding Rubin (who has been called his “mentor”). Bill Clinton must have thought him worth promoting, as well as worth hiring in the first place.

    I think some people are motivated by Summers’ alleged non-PC soundbytes or social clumsiness — same as Gore was accused of. Wonks who are good at numbers tend to get that sort of reaction.

    Ah, here are some facts:
    As undersecretary and deputy secretary of the Treasury, Summers worked closely with Secretaries Bentsen and Rubin in formulating domestic and international economic policies. He played a key role in designing the United States support program for Mexico in the wake of its 1995 financial crisis and in crafting the international response to the Asian financial crisis of 1997. As deputy secretary, Summers was also instrumental in the introduction of indexed Treasury debt securities, and in the reform of the Internal Revenue Service. When President Clinton appointed Summers as secretary of the Treasury, he called Summers “a critical part of our economic team during the entire life of this administration.”
    During Summers’s tenure as secretary of the Treasury, the United States used budget surpluses to repurchase Treasury debt for the first time since the 1920’s, and extended the life of the Social Security and Medicare trust funds. Summers led efforts to modernize the financial system, extend financial privacy protections, provide for digital signatures, and insure the viability of the over-the-counter derivatives market. Summers also championed reforms to address corporate tax shelters and predatory lending practices. [from zimbio]

  77. An Obama Tilt in Campaign Coverage

    By Deborah Howell
    Sunday, November 9, 2008; Page B06

    The Post provided a lot of good campaign coverage, but readers have been consistently critical of the lack of probing issues coverage and what they saw as a tilt toward Democrat Barack Obama. My surveys, which ended on Election Day, show that they are right on both counts.

    My assistant, Jean Hwang, and I have been examining Post coverage since Nov. 11 of last year on issues, voters, fundraising, the candidates’ backgrounds and horse-race stories on tactics, strategy and consultants. We also have looked at photos and Page 1 stories since Obama captured the nomination June 4.

    The count was lopsided, with 1,295 horse-race stories and 594 issues stories. The Post was deficient in stories that reported more than the two candidates trading jabs; readers needed articles, going back to the primaries, comparing their positions with outside experts’ views. There were no broad stories on energy or science policy, and there were few on religion issues.

    Bill Hamilton, assistant managing editor for politics, said, “There are a lot of things I wish we’d been able to do in covering this campaign, but we had to make choices about what we felt we were uniquely able to provide our audiences both in Washington and on the Web. I don’t at all discount the importance of issues, but we had a larger purpose, to convey and explain a campaign that our own David Broder described as the most exciting he has ever covered, a narrative that unfolded until the very end. I think our staff rose to the occasion.”

    The op-ed page ran far more laudatory opinion pieces on Obama, 32, than on Sen. John McCain, 13. There were far more negative pieces about McCain, 58, than there were about Obama, 32, and Obama got the editorial board’s endorsement. The Post has several conservative columnists, but not all were gung-ho about McCain.

    Stories and photos about Obama in the news pages outnumbered those devoted to McCain. Reporters, photographers and editors found the candidacy of Obama, the first African American major-party nominee, more newsworthy and historic. Journalists love the new; McCain, 25 years older than Obama, was already well known and had more scars from his longer career in politics.

    The number of Obama stories since Nov. 11 was 946, compared with McCain’s 786. Both had hard-fought primary campaigns, but Obama’s battle with Hillary Rodham Clinton was longer, and the numbers reflect that.

    McCain clinched the GOP nomination on March 4, three months before Obama won his. From June 4 to Election Day, the tally was Obama, 626 stories, and McCain, 584. Obama was on the front page 176 times, McCain, 144 times; 41 stories featured both.

    Our survey results are comparable to figures for the national news media from a study by the Project for Excellence in Journalism. It found that from June 9, when Clinton dropped out of the race, until Nov. 2, 66 percent of the campaign stories were about Obama compared with 53 percent for McCain; some stories featured both. The project also calculated that in that time, 57 percent of the stories were about the horse race and 13 percent were about issues.

    Counting from June 4, Obama was in 311 Post photos and McCain in 282. Obama led in most categories. Obama led 133 to 121 in pictures more than three columns wide, 178 to 161 in smaller pictures, and 164 to 133 in color photos. In black and white photos, the nominees were about even, with McCain at 149 and Obama at 147. On Page 1, they were even at 26 each. Post photo and news editors were surprised by my first count on Aug. 3, which showed a much wider disparity, and made a more conscious effort at balance afterward.

    Some readers complain that coverage is too poll-driven. They’re right, but it’s not going to change. The Post’s polling was on the mark, and in some cases ahead of the curve, in focusing on independent voters, racial attitudes, low-wage voters, the shift of African Americans’ support from Clinton to Obama and the rising importance of economic issues. The Post and its polling partner ABC News include 50 to 60 issues questions in every survey instead of just horse-race questions, so public attitudes were plumbed as well.

    The Post had a hard-working team on the campaign. Special praise goes to Dan Balz, the best, most level-headed, incisive political reporter and analyst in newspapers. His stories and “Dan Balz’s Take” on washingtonpost.com were fair, penetrating and on the mark. His mentor, David S. Broder, was as sharp as ever.

    Michael Dobbs, the Fact Checker, also deserves praise for parsing campaign rhetoric for the overblown or just flat wrong. Howard Kurtz’s Ad Watch was a sharp reality check.

    The Post’s biographical pieces, especially the first ones — McCain by Michael Leahy and Obama by David Maraniss — were compelling. Maraniss demystified Obama’s growing-up years; the piece on his mother and grandparents was a great read. Leahy’s first piece on McCain’s father and grandfather, both admirals, told me where McCain got his maverick ways as a kid — right from the two old men.

    But Obama deserved tougher scrutiny than he got, especially of his undergraduate years, his start in Chicago and his relationship with Antoin “Tony” Rezko, who was convicted this year of influence-peddling in Chicago. The Post did nothing on Obama’s acknowledged drug use as a teenager.

    The Post had good coverage of voters, mainly by Krissah Williams Thompson and Kevin Merida. Anne Hull’s stories from Florida, Michigan and Liberty University, and Wil Haygood’s story from central Montana brought readers into voters’ lives. Jose Antonio Vargas’s pieces about campaigns and the Internet were standouts.

    One gaping hole in coverage involved Joe Biden, Obama’s running mate. When Gov. Sarah Palin was nominated for vice president, reporters were booking the next flight to Alaska. Some readers thought The Post went over Palin with a fine-tooth comb and neglected Biden. They are right; it was a serious omission. However, I do not agree with those readers who thought The Post did only hatchet jobs on her. There were several good stories on her, the best on page 1 by Sally Jenkins on how Palin grew up in Alaska.

    In early coverage, I wasn’t a big fan of the long-running series called “The Gurus” on consultants and important people in the campaigns. The Post has always prided itself on its political coverage, and profiles of the top dogs were probably well read by political junkies. But I thought the series was of no practical use to readers. While there were some interesting pieces in The Frontrunners series, none of them told me anything about where the candidates stood on any issue.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/07/AR2008110702895.html

    Trying to save their collective azzes. It’s too late, we get our news from sites like Big Pink and through our own internet research. Who needs big media?

  78. Re Sec of State

    I propose Andrew Bacevich. He has been mentioned, by smart people on both sides of the political divide. Google him, and I have several of his interviews saved…one from before his only son was KIA August 2007, 3 from after.

    Read him…he retired fom the Army after Vietnam service, West Point teaching, Pentagon Diplomatic planning; now Princeton Professor and prolific writer.

    He is a conservative, and one of my all-time heros.

  79. In bashing Summers for lack of ‘social skills’ — what are we saying about Bill’s hiring and promoting him? Maybe that doing a GOOD JOB with the facts and numbers is more important to Bill?

    Summers got mixed reviews at Harvard on personal grounds. Is this a reason not to give him his OLD job back, which Bill appointed him to, ie Treas Sec?

    Imo, if someone did a GOOD JOB under Bill, let’s give them teh benefit of the doubt. Seeing PUMAs attacking old Clinton people is not good.

  80. We got hard evidence about Summers and his lack of ‘social skills’ only in his Harvard tenure which was after BC. What he said there was especially debilitating for women’s progress and especially for women in academia and other high places. There is no reason to give him another platform. There are plenty of other smart people — he is not indispensable.

  81. pm317:

    I agree…Larry summers could be another advisor tothe Treas. Sec if he is that good but to reward him with the Treas. Sec. position owuld just be another anti-women Obama thing….

    Nobody is indispensable……!!! That includes Hillary, Bill and so on!!!

  82. mp, I know Summers kind of people in academia. These are the same males who throw in a sentence or two to deny tenure to women. In my own case, one guy said that my culture prevents me from smiling at men (because I would not heartily acknowledge his Hello one day — this was just before I left that place and he had practically ignored me the whole of my stay there. His ego was so big that he could not take it that someone could actually shun him.) These males always say that women are good for teaching and not the hard work of research. But there are plenty of women who backstab too and I can cite examples in my own career. I am very disappointed at the state of affairs about women’s place in America. It is better than most countries in giving opportunity to women up to a threshold and after that there is a huge discrepancy in the way the opportunity is afforded for coveted positions everywhere even when there are very well qualified and more qualified women for those positions. It is a mix of very backward attitude and cut throat competition. Many women participate in this cut throat competition to undermine other women because they somehow think their own success is diminished or threatened if more women are able to accomplish what they have; so they discourage and back stab (think Claire McCaskill or Pelosi).

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