Big Media Elects Its Stooge

Last night Big Media won a big one.

Last night Obama kool-aid drinkers think they won, but they did not. It was a win for Big Media and the Obama strategy, as betrayed by his history, of picking an unsavory actor and doing his (in this case, its) bidding in order for Obama to advance himself.

Obama kool-aid drinkers will swagger in confidence and proclaim themselves winners. But they will soon learn they are not part of the “we” in “we won”. Americans who, battered by years of Bush and his myriad disasters, cast aside their doubts about Obama in desperate hope for “change” will also discover they are not part of the “we” of “we won”.

Sports teams that decide to abandon the city of their triumph (think Brooklyn Dodgers) do not bother to look back to the city that nurtured them. The fans who deliriously shouted “We’re #1” after a triumphal season at that point learn that it wasn’t “we” but rather the business owners of the franchise who are the winners. That, in short, is the Obama franchise history that is about to be repeated. Big Media won.

Need we once again repeat the Obama history of betrayal?

When Obama desired to advance himself in Illinois he took up with corrupt machine politicians in order to advance his career. When Obama desired to advance himself in Chicago he took up with the now convicted Rezko and abandoned poor and black constituents as they froze in Rezko controlled tenements which Obama himself had helped Rezko interests acquire. When Obama desired to advance himself he organized a gay-bashing tour of South Carolina. When Obama desired to advance himself he race-baited.

And remember how helpless kool-aid drinkers were during the FISA fight? When Obama desired to advance himself during the primaries he promised to filibuster against FISA and telecommunications immunity. When Obama desired to advance himself during the general election he voted FOR FISA and telecommunications immunity. The Big Media branch of telecommunications won and the kool-aid drinkers were ignored.

On and on, the under the bus grandma – the used then “lost” aunt and uncle – the coin of Obama’s desire to advance himself when in conflict with the needs of his “supporters” always flips to the “help Obama” side.

Obama supporters want us and themselves to believe that the leopard changes its spots, that history is not a teacher, that the scorpion changes its nature. We can “hope” that is so, but old patterns reassert themselves very quickly especially under pressure.

So what is next?

As Americans, as Democrats, some as former Democrats, we hold Obama’s feet to the fire. How soon does Obama pull completely out of Iraq? How soon does Obama implement real universal healthcare (the Hillary program not the garbage he proposed)? When do those tax rates go down?

Obama kool-aid drinkers will soon be presented with the small fine print of Obama’s promises. They will soon read Obama’s legal escape clause. It may take some time, but not long before Obama “desperation” supporters and even eventually some of the kool-aid drinkers, will realize that Obama will not keep his promises. Like with FISA, Obama will soon forget all those campaign promises and crib drown them in a sea of flowery words and say “it can’t be done now”.

The American people, bamboozled by Big Media manipulations, elected Obama last night. It was not “fair” but as the process goes in post 2000 America as close to legitimate as Big Media will allow. John McCain made a gallant effort and was successful after the Republican convention. But soon thereafter, the 8 years of Bush disaster culminating in a possibly unprecedented economic crisis which continues to unfold, doomed McCain.

Americans bruised after Big Media manipulations to get into Iraq, Big Media manipulations to elect the 2000 version of “uniter not divider”, Big Media manipulations in endless variations reminiscent of Roman “bread and circuses” decided to be willingly bamboozled once again.

Obama, who strategically employed “change”, is the third Bush term – just as inexperienced, only more grandiose and with even more messianic delusions.

Big Media won a big one last night. Big Media trashed Obama opponents and excused and hid Obama’s flaws.

Obama kool-aid drinkers will learn that it is Big Media in the “we won”. Big Media is Obama’s new Tony Rezko.

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356 thoughts on “Big Media Elects Its Stooge

  1. Admin, another great article. And it seems that many of us may be of like minds, so I will repost this from downthread.

    I’ve been thinking. All this was planned decades ago, and executed aggressively. This did not happen overnight or since January. Can Bill and Hill please talk now? I agree that their era is over, they helped end it. But the nagging nightmare I still keep having is – Bill is a true politician, but Hillary is that plus a good human being. She endured too much to win in order to keep our country whole and well. There had to be a threat that caused her to eat her insides out, just look at how she has aged since June. What could be so big and so bad that each of them puts salt on the knife that kills them? And I do not believe for a nano second that Hillary held the party line that went in direct opposition to the good and welfare of her country, its citizens, and our military at war as we speak.

    Speak now Hill and Bill or forever hold your peace.

    The way I see it:
    -a fight against big media is useless, they won, they have been bought and paid for, see how many days it takes the nObama to find money to bail out the NYT, etc, the most effective way we can combat the sh!t for news is to ban together in places like this and work toward small incremental steps, and, we must be better influences on America’s children because just look at how much they did not know and yet followed a rock star. They do not even know how much they do not know. Econ 101 should have taught them that you NEVER raise any taxes during a recession, for if you do you are creating a DEPRESSION.’The Grapes of Wrath’ and ‘Iton Jawed Angels’ should be required viewing in homes
    -I have wondered my whole adult life why oh why women, who are 52% of the population did not ban together to effect change…..maybe we will now.
    There is a new national organization FOR women forming, every American Woman should join.
    What is the old saying, the hand that rocks the cradles rules the world……when is that going to happen?
    -hold nObama’s feet to the fire, call them out EVERY time for bad behavior and bad judgment.

  2. Or, on second thought did Big Media pick, define, and pay for the nominee elect? Is it Big Media that is the real big bad wolf, or the radicals, or both working cooperatively?

  3. I recall reading something saying Bill Clinton would have things to say about the election after January 20th. I can wait for that.

    Many things in the media made it sound like we would be entering a new era once BHO gained his throne. That may be true, but there are tons of things that will need to be discussed during the next couple of years. I hope this website, or it’s child, will be used for that.

    Some on here were writing off Hillary’s role in the US Senate after this, but they probably underestimate her. She has been dealing with the far left and the far right for years. I just want to see her put her stamp on the many programs we can expect to see put forth during the next year. I preferred her health program to any other. She also knows what to do about energy and many other important matters.

    Not only will she be needed for the many positive things, but someone will have to keep a rein on that man. Some of the stuff he talked about during the campaign is scary. I believe Hillary is the ideal person to be on the inside to work on these things.

    I still have high hopes for Hillary and what she will do. I also hope our Admin can find the time and energy to continue this stuff. It has been so very helpful in the past for understanding what is going on. Campaigns are important, but actual governing is even more important. It’s worth talking about.

  4. Admin,

    I would like to think that we still have two very powerful weapons/watchdogs in the White House: Hillary Clinton and John McCain.

  5. I agree with Sherm that Hillary’s not going anywhere. She has a huge role to play in the Senate, and there’s no reason she can’t run in 2016 if she wants to. Of course, maybe she won’t be interested, but she’d be three years younger than McCain is now.

  6. Proof positive on Nov. 4th 2008 enough money can buy anything. Now is time the to stand up and FIGHT. We must watch, listen and act and the most importain thing we must do is Orgainze, Organize, Organize. Now is not the time to feel sorry for ourselves, now is the time to stand and fight for what you belive in.

    You cannot trust MSM for real news it will be up to Big Pink and other Blogs to keep us informed and from there we must Organize and act as one.

    I for one will not sit down and go along with the changes that are sure to come, I will stand up and FIGHT for what I belive in.

    Hillary I won’t say I understand why you stood with BO only you know why. I will say there have been times I have done things only I can understand as well. I still love you and will always stand by you. You will always be 44 to me.

  7. Paula, I disagree it is the end of political career for Hillary. She would be totally marginalized and I would be surprised if they do not force her out of the senate by running AA against her in 2012 primary. I think we have seen the end of her political career.

  8. Honestly, the pain I felt last night was nothing compared to Hillary’s “concession” speech where I was in tears. Despite my hopes. once BO cheated Hillary out of the nomination, I did not see how any republican would be able to stop him. Hillary, as she stated many times, actually made this guy a much better campaigning and he avoided almost any major mistakes with the aid of the media. In reality, electorate aside, he won by about 7 million votes against an honorable man in MCcain who simply could not compete with $$$, pro-Obama press, and extrem hatred of Bush which translated into votes for BO. I think we were excited about Palin, as she was a woman, but truthfully, the wrong one. Had he picked a moderate woman, many more dems on the fence would have swung his way, although with the results in OHio and PA, perhaps it still would not have made a difference. Anyway, it’s been great being partof this “Hillary” community and we can only hope she continues to press forward on the issues so important to all of us. As for BO, adn huis supporters, I woke up today and other than their unmitigated arrogance, niothing has changed. The have nots will only be all that much more disappointed when their mortgage and gas bills remain unpaid by their messiah. Thanks again to all and especially the administrator. God bless all of you.

  9. This is a comment from RD and a repost here from the last thread. I don’t have the courage to go looking for these numbers myself. I know people may not want to talk about it but ACORN and 5 SoS and what little that came out towards the last few weeks about voter fraud and Obama, the unscrupulous person that he is make these numbers a lot more questionable. A stolen election — that is another item he has in common with Bush.
    —————————–
    These numbers are from CNN from approximately 12:57AM to 1:15AM.
    Just thought I would look at the actual difference in number of votes, especially in some of the states that have had reports of voter fraud and Acorn interference.Obama

    Maine
    Obama 303,796 58%
    McCain 207,401 40%
    76% reporting 96,395 difference

    Florida
    Obama 4,043,217 51%
    McCain 3,840,941 49%
    99% reporting 202,276

    Virginia
    Obama 1,727,454 52%
    McCain 1,606,452 48%
    98% reporting 121,002

    North Carolina
    Obama 2,101,986 50%
    McCain 2,089,826 49%
    100% reporting 12,160

    Pennsylvania
    Obama 3,127,015 55%
    McCain 2,528,738 44%
    99% reporting 598,277

    Ohio
    Obama 2,325,811 51%
    McCain 2,152,156 47%
    85% reporting 173,655

    Indiana
    Obama 1,352,356 50%
    McCain 1,329,370 49%
    99% reporting 22,986

    Iowa
    Obama 789,836 54%
    McCain 661,294 45%
    99% reporting 128,542

    Colorado
    Obama 961,548 53%
    McCain 825,892 46%
    68% reporting 135,656

    New Mexico
    Obama 418,806 57%
    McCain 307,393 42%
    94% reporting 111,413

    Nevada
    Obama 485,667 57%
    McCain 354,364 41%
    51% reporting
    131,303

    Take out ACORN and the fruad that undoubtedly took place, how would those numbers really have looked?I’ll be thinking about that for a while.

    I sure hope the military ballots are not blocked from being counted. That would add more insults to injury.

  10. I don’t know how to feel. As a gay man, I’m not allowed to marry in Florida or California now. Sexism, misogyny, vote suppression and race-baiting have just been legitimized. American moves at a colossal pace. We will probably have to wait 50 years for a Woman to be President and 100 years for a gay person to be President. Hillary gives me hope, Sarah gives me faith, John gave me his patriotic service and BO gave lots of money. I don’t feel like there is justice in the world right now. I thought I wanted to go in to politics and lift everybody up, but I feel so beaten down today. Recovery/reflection time is needed. Thank you all for being here in this community.

  11. What happened with prop 8 in CA? With such majority for Obama, did they not choose to answer it? Or did they answer like Repubs?

  12. ClintonDem99, I can’t imagine why her political career would be over. My advice to you and others who feel the same is to “hide and watch”. You will be amazed and probably very pleased.

    This woman did not fold her tent after losing her battle to give the country health care. She survived Bill’s betrayal of her. She survived the attacks of the GOP on both her and Bill. She won a Senate seat in spite of the many attacks on her. She also won re-election. If it had been an honest primary election, she would now be the nominee. She is not going to allow what happened in this election to destroy her. She is tougher than nails.

    I still support Hillary Clinton!!

  13. So no one forgets what Obama’s great night also brings, the Obama legacy of gay-bashing in South Carolina:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gaymarriage5-2008nov05,0,1545381.story

    UPDATE: Voters approve Proposition 8 banning same-sex marriages. With more than 95% of the vote counted, the measure leads 52.1% to 47.9%.

    A measure to once again ban gay marriage in California led Tuesday, throwing into doubt the unions of an estimated 18,000 same-sex couples who wed during the last 4 1/2 months.

    ————-

    Elsewhere in the country, two other gay marriage bans, in Florida and Arizona, were well ahead. In both states, laws already defined marriage as a heterosexual institution. But backers pushed to amend the state constitutions, saying that doing so would protect the institution from legal challenges.

  14. Sherm, we have our misgivings. People she opposed are now in power (and media will never be on her side) and from what we know of Obama and his pettiness and ruthlessness, and lack of scruples, it is not unrealistic to expect him to undermine her to make his own ascension legitimate — I have no doubt he will forever think of her as his competitor and does not want people to be reminded in any way that they could have had Hillary’08 which will be his motive for diminishing her. His wife like Lady Macbeth will do her part in egging him on it. My fear is about her senate seat and if the Obama minions will run Caroline Kennedy against her next time. My suspicion is that Obama will give Kennedy some prominent position now and give her a public face and divide the primary and conquer.

  15. guys…..i am trying to read and get involved in the “aftermath” of last night and i am trying like hell to pick my dumb founded ass off the floor today. [i know i am not alone here] but, I just cant do this today

    I am so depressed….. i think today i just need to turn on some dancing music, get out my paint brush and go paint a room
    and tonight [it’s dart night] I will definitely be putting BHO’s face on the board……should be fun even if i am the only one who see’s his nasty face there!

    I will be back, and i will be ready for the fight ahead………I just can’t do it today

    God bless all of you!! we will need each other moving forward, I hope all of you stay here and continue to fight for America.

    I am not sure what to make of hillary and bill at this point. I choose to set that aside and not dwell on it too much
    time will eventually tell on that.

    Today, moving forward it is not about who did what or what they should of done………my focus moving forward is all about Americas liberties being protected. I will be here to fight for them and my childrens future.

    but right now, I need to recharge my batteries with some Classic Rock

  16. There are times, very few, when a hangover comes in handy. Today is one of them reading the news through an alcohol induced gossamer eye lets it sink in a little slowly. Last night I was enraged today I am stunned.

  17. Henry…..

    I will definitely be joining you on that one tonight as i drink my soco cokes at darts tonight [hope i can still hit the bulls[obama]eyes]

  18. djia, there is no defeat in what we did. We voted both times in this election for honor and integrity. Repeat that line to anybody who cares to listen.

    I don’t like the word fight — what are we fighting against? how much power do we have collectively to overcome whatever we are fighting — right now not very much, it looks like. But that is not what it is about. It is about “did we make the right choice?” and the answer to that is a resounding Yes. I await my next opportunity to make the right choice/decision.

  19. That is an interesting post re: Caroline Kennedy running against Hillary…didn’t the late John Kennedy Jr want to eventually run for that seat? Anyway, she lost all credibility with me as she sold out to a fraud to keep her dad’s and Uncle Teddy’s alive. A lot of women betrayed Hillary and she certainly is way up their with Oprah, Pelosi, McCaskill, etc…..

  20. dija
    I played in a league for years
    always played much better after a few Jim Beams. Sober I was terrible. Tried to hard.

  21. I agree with many others here that the Clintons sold out and their era is definitely over. I realize that they are now just the typical politican. I know that it is over with me.

    As for McCain and Palin. I have no real regrets and I had no real problems with him choosing Sarah Palin. I wish her luck and hopes that she sticks around to give the Dems heck! At least she isn’t afraid to speak out about what she believes in and once the repubs let her loose, she wasn’t afraid to speak out against Obama! Now that is the type of leader we need. The only thing that I do criticize McCain for is not hitting hard enough against Obama. Sort of back tracked on some of the negative stuff. Didn’t want to be labled racist I guess and didn’t want to be accused of using “code words” for black.

    How long do you all think it will be before Obama and Michelle appears on The Oprah Winfrey Show and how many times will he appear before inauguration? She is free to have him on now!! Did you all see Oprah with tears in her eyes last night? I even think that Obama will now return back to the church and his associations now that he is elected. He is free to do and backtrack any way that he wants. Both Obama and Michelle will be plastered all over tv and magazines.

    It is a very said day in America when everything has turned upside down. Now ANYONE can be elected and qualified for president regardless of his past and present associations, his experience for the job, don’t have to account for anything. He is practically untouchable now since being elected. Very similar to the double jeopardy rule of a murder trial. Even if found guilty in the future of the crime he was acquitted, nothing can be done about it.

    Media kept saying that he won because he always stayed so cool-headed. No wonder! He had everybody doing everything for him. He didn’t have to get his hands dirty!

  22. henry Says:

    November 5th, 2008 at 11:52 am
    Dija
    sadly all of the bars around me have the pseudo darts no steel tips anywhere. alas
    &&&&&&&

    plastic tipped darts are bogus. I suppose the one advantage is that they are safe, although “safer” might be a better word. Imagine if someone got hit in the eye with a plastic dart.

    Me, I like dangerous metal tipped darts. Heavy ones. I have one set that is 21g, the others are heavier, 27g. You can throw those puppies with some authority!

  23. Hillary and Bill never sold out!!!! They fought their hearts and souls out to win the nomination and where back stabbed by a spiteful group of powerful DNC insiders and a candidate NONE of us could see as a threat. Hillary and Bill had NO choice but to support the democratic nominee no matter what they personally felt. Hillary, true to her word, worked very hard for BO, and Bill did what he had to do. They are interested in still playing a role in helping this country achieve what Hillary spoke of throughout her campaign. She could not marginalize herself by breaking away from the party she and Bill help resurrect …beleive me, she and Bill will be a force for many yrs to come….and I bet she and McCain will again share ina private toast as they work together to control any of BO’s far fetched agenda.

  24. rgb44hrc
    the only advantage to plastic tips is to the bar
    you pay to play
    have you ever heard of anyone getting hurt by a steel tip

  25. Henry….. yes plastic tip darts they are…….but it’s still a target [obama] and a pointy object being thrown 👿

    PM: I don’t think we were defeated, I think that we had a huge effect in spreading the truth about obama and his ilk
    and we will be a much bigger coalition now to continue to keep doing so. WE WILL GROW

    Meiyingsu…rush and hannity…..Yes imagine how they feel today… I will tune them in today to see

  26. And sorry my card to the bill and hillary fan club went into the trash last night. They did what they did and that was their perogative, but they had the power to stop this miscarriage of an election and they did not. I now view them as I view most other politicians as that is what they are.

  27. I can see Obama’s smug face now really taunting Hannity. Despite Hannity’s conviction of Obama, Obama still won!!!

    Probably in his (Obama’s) speeches he will definitely mention Hannity’s name with more vigor!!!

    Many Hannity deserves it??? I know that Colmes is really gloating now!!!

  28. # meiyingsu Says:
    November 5th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Market doesn’t like a BHO win. the dow lose more 200 points.
    *****************

    I kept telling people last night…………..watch the markets tomorrow [today]

  29. Wow I gotta say a big thankyou to dija for bringing up darts. The human mind well at least mine is pretty simple. I was wallowing in dispair unable to shake it. In a funk as it were. Tried to read took a walk. Nada. Gloom and doom, but the evocation of a very pleasant memory did the trick. Like I said I am simple.

  30. henry Says:

    November 5th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
    And sorry my card to the bill and hillary fan club went into the trash last night. They did what they did and that was their perogative, but they had the power to stop this miscarriage of an election and they did not. I now view them as I view most other politicians as that is what they are.

    ———————————————————————————————————————————————————

    I can definitely feel your pain, Henry Hugs!!!!

  31. Henry

    Yes plastic dart league

    and yes i am a bartender (i have been in restaurant/bar/country club management for 27 years as a Food & beverage director)

    i used to also be a freelance Artist from time to time (i paint custom Faux finishes and Custom murals) but my knee’s don’t like constant ladders anymore.

    and now…. I am in the process of taking my photography from hobby level to professional.
    I am about to open my new home studio as i don’t see me doing restaurant management until i die [no way to retire in my for see able future] but who knows… i never really seem to get away from it as much as i try LOL

  32. meiyingsu – i think it’s the republican idiots who funded and crossed over for BO early in the primary and especially in Iowa who are writhing in despair that they elected BO, the socialist.

  33. from a comment at savagepolitics; (looks like someone from Holland)
    ————–
    Congratulations Americans, next time you can put the position of POTUS on E-Bay. Barry The Springfield Monorail-salesman spends 4 times as much money as the logical bi-partisan guy Americans said they wanted, Barry wins the election. E-Bay is a lot quicker.

    Part of me wouldn’t be too suprised if once sworn in Barack would have the life-expectancy of a Clinton-bodyguard (nothing like a ‘he died too young’ myth to steer through the economic mess without Rep’s to blame that will last at least two years according to most experts). Also, what will happen if any one of e.g. the rico-case against ACORN, the fraudulent Obama-financing (200 mil is unaccounted for, almost as much as the whole budget Mac & the RNC had), the Waki-report and resulting ICC trial of Obama’s bossom-bud Odinga, the citizenship case, the voting chaos in general, the Chicago corruption-mess etc. tackle Obama? As far as I know if Bama falls, Biden wil become Prez and can chose – without the electorate have any say in it – pick a new VP (hunch: HRC).

    To all Obots: hope you like the mandatory community service Bambi wants for that education credit, Darfur is lovely this time of year.

  34. Henry….. I am glad you added Physically in your question or i might of unloaded on my mental state LOL

    I am born and raised MN for 42 years, lived in spirit lake/okoboji Ia for the last 3 years and now just moved to South Dakota on the east side in the middle between sioux falls and sioux city ia

    how about you?

  35. # djia Says:
    November 5th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    # meiyingsu Says:
    November 5th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Market doesn’t like a BHO win. the dow lose more 200 points.
    *****************

    I kept telling people last night…………..watch the markets tomorrow [today]

    ********
    the news is spinning this as if investors knew that BO was going to win so the presidency doesn’t figure in at all and that the markets are simply responding to the economic markers…what BS. The media will do everything they can to continue to prop up the fraud.

  36. CTV

    of course they are… I didn’t expect anything less from our media

    MEDIA REFORM!! that should be our first major target now, nothing will change until that happens

  37. CountTheVotes,

    my husband wanted to sell some stocks yesterday but I told him that Market will be stable because Mccain will win. now we will expect the market will go up and down again for the next a few months because the uncertaintity of BHO.

  38. mieyingsu – yup, and the media will continue to make excuses. I wonder when the media will stop protecting him…if ever.

  39. alright – had a good laugh over The Onion…www.theonion.com/content/news/nation_finally_shitty_enough_to

    the last lines of the article “Nation Finally Shitty Enough to make Social Progress” is this:

    “Obama had the foresight to run for president at a time when being an African-American was not as important to Americans as, say, the ability to clothe and feed their children,” Pung continued. “An election like this only comes once, maybe twice, in a lifetime.”

    As we enter a new era of equality for all people, the election of Barack Obama will decidedly be a milestone in U.S. history, undeniable proof that Americans, when pushed to the very brink, are willing to look past outward appearances and judge a person by the quality of his character and strength of his record. So as long as that person is not a woman.

  40. sic transit gloria mundi bambi

    all glory is fleeting

    I have a friend whois native american and has deep insights into this. She agrees with my vision of trouble ahead for our country. But in the mystical tradition of her people she says this election marks the end of the time of secrets and the beginning of the time when the truth will be known. She sees a strong future for Hillary, she lays out a powerful case for it and my friend is seldom wrong. I will fill you in later today.

  41. from newsbusters, {now we know why he conducted that second debate in such a biased way.}
    —————
    In a Thursday night appearance on the PBS show Charlie Rose, it was revealed that the Democratic ticket could have been Obama-Brokaw. Rose reported: “I think it was Caroline Kennedy who said that when they have the short [running mate] list for Barack Obama, there was a name down there somewhere?” Tom Brokaw replied: “My name was on it.”

  42. pm317 – unbelievable. that short list was “anyone but hillary”…Homer Simpson was probably the name under Brokaw.

  43. This is my first time I can say that I am not F***NG proud about my country..

    A lot of people got fooled by this con artist….I don;t know what the Americans are thinking. I will never respect him as my president because he is a LIAR….

  44. okay, lets try and see the bright side here:

    either,

    OBAMA DOES GOOD (and we all win…)

    or

    OBAMA DOES BAD (and he doesnt win re-election in four years…)

    either way, ITS A WIN WIN SITUATION…
    now the burden is on them to perform…
    LOL… lets see how potent they really are…

    thats why we need admin to keep the ball rolling, admin and big pink, can now be the new administrations watchdog…
    and this time we will know how to fight them, we know what they are made of…

  45. cashing in what little i have here as well
    my “guy” tried to talk me out of it. nope. not worth the risk.

  46. Two views of last night’s event:

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/president/articles/2008/11/04/20081104elex1104reax.html

    There, in the cultural capital of black America, Obama was the coming of the long-awaited savior. “I didn’t think I’d see this,” said one resident, Antoinette Moore, 40. “I’m seeing it now and I still don’t believe it.”

    But 120 miles away, in Pennsylvania’s Lackawanna River valley, Scranton retiree Guy Pelosi, 82, said: “I don’t trust Obama. He has a laundry list this long of things he says he’ll do. He ain’t going to get it all in.”

    ——————

    While there was joy and pride in some quarters, there was dismay and resignation in others. There was also the sense that, for all the campaign rhetoric of reaching across the aisle, many partisan divisions remained – and may have even hardened.

    Supporters of Obama saw a moment of history.

    “There’s something else going on here,” Lois Robson, a 67-year-old nutrition specialist at a senior citizens’ recreation center in Santa Monica, Calif. “There’s something else going on.”

    Robson opened and closed her hands while she spoke, as if grasping for what it was.

    “It represents a total departure, and a big change,” she said. “It will electrify this country, and it will electrify the world. America is reinventing herself again.”

    “I think a lot of Americans are proud of themselves, that after so many years we can look beyond the color of a man’s skin and hear his words,” she said. “That’s something to be proud of, and I am. I’m proud to be an American.”

    ——————————

    But at St. Martin’s Episcopal Church, in Houston’s venerable Tanglewood section, voters had deep reservations about the Democrat.

    In the lobby, where the coffee-table magazines included Harvard Business Review and How to Spend It, a supplement of the Financial Times, poll workers speculated on the implications of an Obama presidency.

    “We have a lot of questions about Obama,” said Katie Jones, who left a job at IBM and is in the market for another. “His birth certificate has not been confirmed. We have suspicions he was born in Kenya.”

    Next to her, Laura Neff nodded.

    “I’m a granola-crunching … Subaru-driving gardener,” she said. “And I voted for John McCain. … And also, I do feel that Obama is incredibly left and liberal. I don’t believe in socialism.”

    ——————————–

    In Harlem, there was a palpable sense of anticipation and excitement as residents tried to absorb the idea that a black man might be elevated to the highest office in the land.

    And the issue of race was in the air there, too.

    “At last we have a chance to say we have a black man in there,” said Moore, the Obama supporter, “instead of us working for the white man.”

    She added, “I think this is a really great day. And I hope we have a good party.”

    ———————————–

    But across the Appalachian Mountains, in the town of Leanna, Tenn., 30 miles southeast of Nashville, Obama was viewed with skepticism.

    “I used to be a Democrat,” Johnny Barrett, 58, explained, standing alongside his pickup truck in a frayed Tennessee Titans cap. “I voted for Hillary Clinton in the primary. But Obama’s got no experience and the Democrats have been like a pack of hyenas, jumping on (McCain’s running mate) Sarah Palin from day one.”

    Still, he said, he was resigned if Obama won. “You have to go ahead and eat the cornbread and get on with it,” he said. “There’s nothing you can do but give your support. It’s like a minister. You have to respect him no matter what denomination he’s from.”

    By midday, a steady stream of pickup trucks rumbled into the gravel parking lot of the Leanna community center, which sits across the road from a country store called “Smoking Ed’s,” with a tuxedo-clad, cigar-smoking beaver hand-painted above the doorway.

    One woman, Nancy Ludwig, said she believed Obama was Muslim, but worried that he was also “the Antichrist.”

    “It’s the way he was raised,” Ludwig explained. “I really don’t trust him, and if he is Antichrist, they’ll say anything to get into office.”

    Others in Leanna also harbored fears about the Democrat. “We don’t even know if he’s a U.S. citizen,” said Tim Hurt, 27, an Iraq and Afghanistan war veteran.

    ————————————
    In recent months, the McCain campaign stepped in and poured resources into this part of Lackawanna County, as well as other working-class northeastern Pennsylvania counties like it, courting Clinton supporters like retiree Pelosi. But polls in the days leading up to the election showed that Obama retained a double-digit lead over McCain in the northeastern part of the state.

    Still, some residents expressed displeasure Tuesday over a potential Obama presidency.

    “I grew up here, in an Italian-Irish neighborhood, and I’m Scottish-Irish,” said Paul Fuller, 48, a laborer and musician who said he initially supported Clinton. “There are not many African Americans in this section of town. I started thinking, If there’s blacks voting for Obama just because he’s black, I’ll vote for McCain just because he’s white.’ But I always try to be educated and learn just what their visions are.”

    McCain backer Mary Salamone, 86, a lifelong Democrat, said she voted for a Republican for president for the first time. “I don’t trust him,” she said of Obama. “I have nothing against the colored people, they’re very nice. It’s him I don’t trust.”

    Brad Burgess, a college professor who said he was “passionately pro-life,” said that in the event of an Obama victory, he planned to pray for the president daily.

    “He’s our president and leader,” Burgess said. “He makes decisions that affect us all.”

  47. wbboei: I am with you all the way.I treasure your knowledge and your logic.I am so fed up with those that complain too much and are using Hillary as their excuse for going negative against her.I repeat my earlier words “She did not allow herself to be cast aside and avoid the pains of failure.She and Bill threw themselves in front of the money train for her party and her country.Contrary to what her critics say now,”She Saved our Stupid Asses for another Day. wbboei old friend .how do we go about starting a new site and keep up the fight for our country?
    I am sick and tired of the whiners spreading their negativity .For me it is : good soldiers never die they just get old.

    By ABM90. A Post Mortem is not needed now. We need Action.

  48. amb90,

    why do u keep whining about hillary?
    neither her or bill are running for anything anymore…

    thats been over for months, why are we
    still trying to make this about hillary?
    if this election was all about hillary and nothing else, than i guess you have no rhyme and no reason left.

    but i think for most here at big pink, its been about the country and when hillary got screwed, we had to change direction, and try to save the presidency.

    all due respect to hillary, but she is not in the game anymore, at least not for 3 years or so, if at all….

    LOOK FORGIVE ME FOR BEING SARCASTIC…

    i’m feeling disappointed, and i’m irritable, just as you must be.

    i restpect you and your hard work…
    take care…

  49. i thought about it all along.. independence day convention but wanted to wait so they knew a number of dems did not support. and a big thankyou to waffles there will be no t-day get together this year in my family

  50. THE ONLY WAY HILLARY CAN REDEEM HERSELF IS BY MAKING SURE THE VOTING PROCESS IS FAIR!!!!

    not the stupud ones that she has been pushing….like no IDs needed etc…

    Bill has redeemed himself in my eyes by his words…..he did limited campaigning for BO; but Hillary I have to see more actions and words from her before I can believe in her.

    If she believes that the fraudlant campaign donations, and the voter fraud by acorn is acceptable then she needs to be thrown out too!!!!

    Sorry I have had it with the politicians today!!!!

  51. mp Says:

    November 5th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
    THE ONLY WAY HILLARY CAN REDEEM HERSELF IS BY MAKING SURE THE VOTING PROCESS IS FAIR!!!!

    not the stupud ones that she has been pushing….like no IDs needed etc…

    Bill has redeemed himself in my eyes by his words…..he did limited campaigning for BO; but Hillary I have to see more actions and words from her before I can believe in her.

    If she believes that the fraudlant campaign donations, and the voter fraud by acorn is acceptable then she needs to be thrown out too!!!!

    Sorry I have had it with the politicians today!!!!

    —————————————————————————————————————————————————

    I agree and I don’t feel sorry for how I feel. She needs to do something and be vocal about it, not silent!!!!

    Hopefully, Sarah may start something. She pretty much speaks her mind!

  52. mp
    with you all the way
    the young girl I am raising will never hear of hrc(no caps I only use those with Proper nouns) from me. She is only aq disgrace in that I believed in her. I was wrong. There is nothing about her that stands above she is just like all of the rest.

  53. admin said:
    The American people, bamboozled by Big Media manipulations, elected Obama last night. It was not “fair” but as the process goes in post 2000 America as close to legitimate as Big Media will allow.
    ==============

    Is this correct? No case for vote fraud, recounts, etc?

  54. The good old boys are still lurking everywhwere.I am adament about equal rights for all but the bias against them must be
    first on the must do list.I was raised that way,I have lived that way and nothing said or done by anyone can change my beliefs.

    By ABM90

  55. The reported political demise of Hillary Clinton has been greatly exaggerated. She may not be running for any political office. She may not even be trying to gain any important Senate Chairmanship at this time. On the other hand, she has certainly not given up on her goals for America. She will be using her position as a Senator to do all in her power to make those things happen.

    I’m not sure what we could possibly do to help her. Maybe others here know what can be done. I certainly don’t believe the way to reward her for her efforts on our behalf would be to attack and abandon her. It really isn’t her fault the nomination was stolen from her.

    She had no choice but to support the nominee of the party. If she turned her back on the nominee then she would become an outcast of the party. She could expect to accomplish very little after that. She expected BHO to support her candidancy if she had won the nomination.

    I can’t predict her power and influence in the coming Congress. She can still claim 18 million Democratic votes in her favor. She got those in spite of multiple powers working against her. Don’t ever underestimate her. I’m hopeful she will be very successful in working her plans on our behalf. She knows how to work the Senate on these things. The country needs them now.

    I don’t expect to change the minds of those of our friends who are now set against her. I ask only that you keep an open mind as you follow her actitivies in the coming years. Be ready to applaud when appropriate. I feel sure she will deserve it. I hope so for our sake.

  56. oh by the way, i’m not a hater, obama is there now, and i hope the best for him and his family. i hope he is up to the job, and i hope he can begin to think for himself and do some good things.

    there is an article up at noquarter, by someone who says she is happy for the african american people…

    well guess what? i am surprized to find, i am too!!!!

    CONGRAGULATIONS TO ALL THOSE WHO NEEDED THIS FOR REASONS WE DONT UNDERSTAND… MAYBE SOME HEALING PROCESS WILL TAKE PLACE FOR THEM…

    i am going to try and be open minded.

    anyway, admin, i hope you dont mind me saying that…

  57. What about the question concerning the citizenship of Obama? That was never answered to my satisfaction. Is it too late to learn the answer after the election? I intend to keep asking about it.

  58. SKMF…what a nice post. 🙂

    The symbology of an Obama presidency is definitely a good thing in my opinion. And it’s a wonderful thing to celebrate. That does NOT mean the individual is not to be held accountable for his actions, though. Oliar is a rat. Simple as that. And time will bear that out so that none can deny it. Hopefully, when the truth does come out , we won’t have suffered too much damage in the meantime.

  59. Good point Idunn. I’m more worried about this country.

    People just support Obama because its so easy, its almost irresistable.

  60. It’s understandable that folks here wish Obama the best.

    With George W. Bush, I knew ahead of time that a divider was elected, not a divider. I never for one second doubted he’d be a terrible president, inept, uncaring, doing only favors for those who control him.

    No different with Obama. Another “charmer”, another “likable enough” guy, another incompetent, another delegator-in-chief. Bush had all the correct lofty phrases, but his actions had no relationship to those lofty words. Obama too will be a self-centered, arrogant prick president. There will be scandals. He’ll be the president who cried “racism” too often. Believe me, all attacks on him will be viewed through that prism.

    He has gained power illegitimately, in my eyes. So I will not be wishing him the best. I vow to hold him accountable, and fight him every step of the way.

    Just like I did with Bush.

  61. AMB, I can’t believe any even half intelligent person would condone an Obama bot likeness of mind and spirit.

    If no one was allowed to have a difference of opinion, then how can anyone bring up things that may have some value, no matter if it was different?

    In any intelligent circle, you have all kinds of opinions and they are very much welcome. If you all think, talk and feel the EXACT same way, then you are no different than the Obama bots.

    I prefer healthy discussions with different ideas and opinions, as most people do. It’s rather stifling to not be allowed a difference of opinion. Anyone who has one here is put down, and then some of you start to talk about going to a private site, to get away from those of us who can think for themselves. If that’s what you want, go ahead. Birds of a feather do flock, don’t they? I like to think for myself and have my own opinions. Who knows, maybe if you all allow different opinions, something can really be accomplished. As the saying goes, two heads are better than one. You can’t accomplish anything when you are think the exact same way.

  62. Sherm Kader Says:

    November 5th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
    What about the question concerning the citizenship of Obama? That was never answered to my satisfaction. Is it too late to learn the answer after the election? I intend to keep asking about it.
    &&&&&

    We will be told, in effect, that it’s too late. Apparently, there is no one checking ID at the door to the President’s Club. So Gov. Ahnold should say, “I was joking about being born in Austria; I was born in Austria, North Dakota”.

  63. AMB90,

    No one knows what the future holds for the Clinton’s. We can speculate as much as we like but we still won’t know for sure. I agree completely with you about Hillary. 🙂

  64. bluegirl,

    I don’t think generalizations like that help. Most of us are very open-minded and agree to disagree. I’m sorry if you haven’t felt that way.

  65. No court wants to perpetrate a constitutional crisis by deliberating questions on his citizenship now. They will let sleeping dogs lie. America in a way is like one of those wealthy families who portray a healthy (democracy) image but push ugly problems under the rug — they have to portray a pseudo-unity image more than fairness and justice. Without a free media on the side of the people, there is no way people have any voice or power to raise their concerns.

  66. henry Says:

    November 5th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
    Switching to independent today
    Anybody with me?

    —————————————————————————–

    Henry i switch last night. I worked at the polls i sent my card down last night.

    NO MORE PARTY FOR ME

  67. In addition to switching from D to I today on the advice of a greta poster I cancelled all of my automatic donations. Each and every organization that i have supported tried a hard sell to which I responded see your president elect as you felt the need to back him. Selfishness has become a virtue in my world. I am astounded last year that I gave away more than Biden. Then I was apalled to see my donation money spent to elect ob.

  68. Henry:

    I also looked back the last 18 months and am pissed at myself at how much I gave….money and timewise to many folks I believed in.

  69. Oh, Admin

    Thank you, thank you.

    If it had not been for this site i would have gone crazy. Of course i will not be watching any news of any kind for quite a while. The reasons are obvious.

    Please keep this site open. Let us know if you need any donations. I would rather give the money to you than to any political party

    Again thank you

  70. The sad thing about this election is with all the newly registered voters legitimate or otherwise, turn out looks like it is going to end up about the same as 2004. Which tells me that millions for voters decided to sit this one out. Were they conservative republicans that were not thrilled with McCain or were they Hillary supporters who refused to vote for either Obama or McCain? That is a question that will be debated for a long time.

  71. mp
    let them know
    I have always given 15% of my income away, Fat chance in hell that any of those groups will ever see another penny from me. I never did the religous donation or the save the world groups but instead to what I thought were legitimate andbeneficial groups. I also never claimed my “gifts” for tax purposes. Imagine my chagrin when I witnessed the recipients of my hard earned money campaigning for bambi.

  72. jbstonesfan Says:

    November 5th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
    Hillary and McCain would have made quite a ticket…

    —-

    Yes; I campaigned for Hillary in Montana…in one of the two last primary states. I personally handed Chelsea Clinton a quickly, hand written note to give to her Mum, in which I wrote that she and McCain should run together. My sister, who also voted for the first time and gave money to Hillary at my request suggested that McCain/Clinton ticket to me; my sister thought that because I was working so hard for Hillary for the last year, I must have personal connection to her.

    Hillary wrote back …at least acknowledging the letter and thanking me for the support.

    But I feel she is too much of a party person now…..I will hold my final judgment until Jan 20 when she must speak up what is right and what HAS BEEN SO WRONG!!!!!

  73. Lat comment
    when you are in a check out line and there is a picture of a sick puppy asking for your change make sure you look before you donate, Your pennies at the checkout copunter helped to elect this loser. the election was purchased and i implore all before giving another cent to anyone to know if they used your money to select him

  74. jbstonesfan Says:

    November 5th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
    Hillary and McCain would have made quite a ticket…
    —————————————————————————————————————————————————–

    I agree. That would have been a good ticket. Both do seem to be bipartisan.

    I guess that we will be hearing a lot of the Sarah Palin was a drag on the Republican ticket quite a bit. Feel sorry that she and her family went through a lot for nothing. Wish her and her family the best, though.

  75. I am guessing but the stay-homes who did not vote this year are the Bushie-GOPs and a lot of older DEM women.

    I am also hearing from some areas that men also stayed away from McCain because of Palin.

    Mix in with voter fraud with multiple votings by acorn etc, AAs voting in droves and even Latinos going for BO for immigration reasons only…that is what did it!

  76. I am over 52 and will be cashing out of my retirement…no money for me; I will settle for a very low paying job so I do not have to much more taxes under BO…

  77. I think a big player was social security older people believed it may go bye bye. McCain did nothing to assuage that fear.

  78. henry Says:

    November 5th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
    I am 41 and sold my retirement today all of it!!!!
    &&&&&&&&

    ?? Not sure whachya did…

  79. mp
    saiod this before but I cashed out today and I am 41 thoufht about leaving it in as a sign that I believe in my country and then last night happenned.

  80. Just wanted to come back to the site and say a final goodbye and thanks to admin for running everything — wow, what an epic campaign this was. In the end, after the arduous primary its painful conclusion, I decided to support Obama and I voted for him. I understand, though, why and how many fellow Clinton supporters felt differently. It’s been an exhilarating two-year stretch and communicating with you guys made it all worthwhile.

  81. liquidated everything
    big penalty
    but I know what its worth now don’t know about tomorrow

    I know what you mean…I put it in FDIC insured accounts earning almost nothing…..

    I am waiting for a new law that will allow early withdrawal without penalties for hardship reasons when I will use it to SPEND IT ON MYSELF!!! I will not share anymore!!!!!

  82. Hours, days weeks, months and yes years I have volunteered to teach literacy. I will say that I had tremendous success. Everyone of those hours I could have written off and I never did. I saw it as a responsibility. No more. i watched the people behind the group suppurt bambi and as I result I quit.

  83. Thought you might like to know that the New York Observer wants to run more letter to the editor regarding sexism in the New Yorker and Rolling Stone magazines, the voter fraud in Iowa, and why I’m not supporting candidates or magazines that don’t support women. I’d run the whole letter that the New York Observer wants to print, but there isn’t room here.

    Sorry all. Hanna Gugliuzza (Independent) for Johnson County Auditor lost locally, as well. We’ve got a lot of work to do. A black male broke that glass ceiling. There are just a few more glass ceilings left to break, and I hope that I live to see it. (I’ll be 60 next month.

  84. bluegirl: I agre with you on the need for a mix of opinions and a site to express them.Making light of another site to replace this one is far from my thoughts.That statement was made in a fit of anger at the few that blame Hillary for her actions and talked about folding the tent and and calling it quits.I have found my voice and the strength to keep fighting for our country and I beiieve Hillary was and is still the best of the clock cleaners.Just look back and remember what she accomplished to the all male opposition in the debates.How mant men or women do we know that could have put up such a fight for their country as she did.
    This site and its many participants have played a great part in
    my very existence and the will to be heard.I truly am proud to be part a great voice for justice and the people.I have tried to make up for the many years of inactive political participation.Making a living helping to and providing for my family.This new age of communications has pretty well isolated those of us that are told that we are too old to keep up.Sorry and I do apologize if I have offended anyone with the intensity of my support for The Clintons.Can anyone show me two more patriotic people and their love for their country.

    By ABM90. Friends if Hii44 stays on line so willI and I want to do my part.

  85. A gentleman in Center Point, Iowa (teeny town) wrote to tell me about Obama voter fraud in one of our Iowa caucuses (wish we could get rid of caucuses altogether) and said he’s written Howard Dean, everyone he can think of, and no one cares. If he lets me, I’ll send his info to Lynnette Long, who I understand is collecting such reports nationwide about Obama voter fraud.

  86. He said that he was a Hillary Clinton delegate and the caucus pooh-bahs changed him to an Obama delegate and wouldn’t change his status back no matter how many times he complained at the time and later. Sad.

  87. Idunn- Earl Rogers was the finest trial lawyer Los Angeles in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century. His specialty was criminal defense work. When Clarence Darrow was caught bribing a juror he chose Rogers to get him off which he did. Acoholism dogged him most of his life and eventually it killed him in a boarding house which was on the site of the current Los Angeles County Court House.

    At that time the old Pacific Coast League was just getting started. When the umpire made a bad call the common refrain heard from the fans was kill the umpire and get Earl Rogers to defend you. Such are my sentiments vis a vis the DNC.

  88. rgb44 at 3:06, I agree with everything you just said.

    Henry, I’m seriously considering changing to Independent. Right now I’m thoroughly fed up with the Dems and have been since they ousted Hillary.

    Right now I’m just fed up with politics in general.

  89. The American Eagle Needs Two Wings to Soar by Jay Rooney
    .. Now that he’s won, letting The Great Unifier rule without opposition would be risky and inimical to the American political tradition. Obama is peddling the tired notion that America is weary of the divisiveness of partisan politics but his own record shows no evidence of unifying ability. It’s obvious that people are frustrated by Congress’ inability to make even the most minor progress on the great issues of our day, but partisan bickering is only a symptom of a general lack of leadership in both houses and both parties – and not something the election came close to solving. Aside from being great entertainment, aggressively partisan debates are just a standard part of making laws, and they’re real debates, not the sanitized snoozers put on by a debate commission.

    The energy and enthusiastic support behind the newly-elected Obama will be used by the media to claim a mandate and intimidate or discourage opposition. Here are five reasons to ignore that story line and gear up for a long fight: …. americanthinker.com/2008/11/the_american_eagle_needs_two_w.html
    November 05, 2008

  90. oprah live from chicago, she says she will finally be able to talk about what happened in the election…

    hhhhmmmmmmm

    did we shut her up or something?

    should be interesting, but i wont be tuning in…

  91. Like Idunn, I am stunned and more than a little depressed today. I am not a shopper and have never turned to that to bury my heartache but I splurged on the flock today, lots of parrot pedicure perches, ladders, treats and also bought a pub-set for my tiny cottage and spent the whole afternoon putting it together. Very therapeutic.

    I have been listening to Hannity while working and he’s a riot; Liberal gloating is scheduled for later this week as well as pro-JM therapy sessions. (He just cracked me up when he said he’s dreading facing Colmes tonight and hearing him gloat – hehehehe)

    I am one who thinks HRC’s political career is over. We all speculated back in February why the dems were so determined to get rid of her. In retrospect I think we were right in sensing the main objective was disposing of the Clintons.

    The party purge is already happening. Lieberman’s being dragged in to face Reid and Pelosi on Thursday – probably a meeting to strip him of his chairmanship.

    Kerry wants to be secretary of state. Emanuel is being drafted for COS.

    Valerie Jarrett (Meesh’s boss) is on the list.

    I still can’t understand how Pennsylvanians and Ohioians voted against their own self interest.

    MO’s dress was horrendous and the kids looked macabre in red and black.

    I can’t imagine ever saying President BO . . .

    Israel attacked today and Russia is going after Poland…..

    Wbboei, thanks for posting about your friend’s intuition. I hope she’s right.

    As much as I’d like to say I’m a big enough person to wish the BIO’s well . . . I don’t . I hope they crash and burn and drag Oprah, Puff Daddy, Brazile, Clyburn, Axelrod, Plouffe, Pelosi, Dean and Reid down with them.

    I confess I want revenge. And I will enjoy every second of watching them roast in the hot seat.

    ADMIN,
    Thanks for another great post. You should start charging therapist fees for site access. LOL

  92. I tried to get my mind off of things today, but it all kept me down all day so i decided to get it all out
    and put pen to paper so to speak…in my current state of mind (LOL) here is where i am at with things.
    aside from being scared to death of what our future is to be that is…

    Most Americans, White Americans especially are happy for African Americans for their joy in seeing one of their dreams come true; a person of color to hold the highest office in the land of America. It has been a long sought after Dream for sure. Unfortunately One that took unnecessarily many lifetimes and blood shed to come true.

    When I was young coming up in the 60’s and 70’s as a “white child” I witnessed racism in many ways. Although by that time things were already getting better. I struggled against it in my community growing up, in my own household as a matter of fact. My father was extremely racist and he and I would constantly battle. I did however win out on that argument and my father managed to change his way of thinking….it literally nearly cost me my life by having black friends and trying to get him to see things differently, to see things as I did.

    It was worth every beating I have ever received and there were many…Last night I witnessed what they were all for. I am extremely happy & Proud for the African American People. And I am Extremely Proud of those who can now see beyond color and gender no matter what their own color or gender may be.
    I have to say though, I’d be much happier for the African American people if they had actually had a Black President that won with fairness and grace, instead of lies and disgrace. Perhaps it’s still the only way to have made it possible? I don’t know for sure
    But I would like to think it is not.
    I can’t help but feel that if America had elected a Black President that “DESERVED” based on merit, principals and their ideals to be where he is today WE ALL would truly be proud.
    I cant help but feel they [we] have nothing to be proud of with Barack Hussein Obama The Manchurian Candidate. And his Anti America Reverends, Anti Semitic friends and the “un-proud of America” wife who thinks “America is a down right mean country”… is to now to be known as Americas first lady…Michelle Obama….Truly Disgraceful

    Barack and Michelle Obama, no matter what color they are….have a lot to redeem themselves for. They have millions of people’s dreams to thank for where they are today… and it was only made possible for them in this land known as America…

    IT WOULD DO THEM WELL TO LEARN & REMEMBER THAT.
    We [America] pray that Barack Obama will recognize what a gift he has been given. The trust and belief that has been handed to him. And that he will do the right things while serving THE PEOPLE OF THE GREATES NATION ON EARTH, WE ARE AMERICA while holding the dreams of so many.
    I AM PROUD OF MY COUNTRY for showing they are able to get past the differences in color. For all that she, America has stood for and fought & bled for. For all that she has given me in my life, my children’s lives and for those before me and for those who will follow.
    I truly have always wanted to see the day America didn’t see color or gender as an obstacle. Unfortunately Our Country even though she voted for a black man as our country’s 44th president; truly doesn’t see color or gender as an obstacle,
    It’s merely just been a tall curtain , of which it’s fabric was woven with threads of Guilt. Created from the hands of those with false cries of racism and misogyny.

    She [America] has another dream…A dream of women of all colors who share equally
    The cry’s of misogynistic attitudes that are equally as harsh if not worse than any racism towards skin color. Unfortunately America, you still have a long ways to rise above racism of all kinds. I pray I will live to see the day we truly over come both.
    But with this Election, it has saddened me greatly, to see my fellow Americans not putting country first. For not putting our country’s foundation THE CONSTITUTION, it’s people of ALL COLORS and GENDER above all else.
    It is disheartening to me to see that so many Americans can be so easily bamboozled and hoodwinked into believing that the constitution that made America the great country we have known, loved and sworn to fight for all these generations past would need such RADICAL CHANGE.

    The American People have been falsely led astray by these charlatans of evil who falsely cry we need HOPE & CHANGE. They are those who are working to rewrite the words of wisdom of our founding fathers who built the greatest nation on earth based on principles and ideals and the dream that every American could and should be able to achieve his or her dream through capitalism. Giving the rights and freedoms to Americans to build wealth for them selves, while encouraging others to do the same. Our founding fathers did not want America to become what she fought so hard to get away from in Europe. “socialism” and “fascism”
    This total lack of RESPECT for our country, our founding fathers and mothers that was on full display with this election didn’t JUST HAPPEN …….it has been purposely bred by those that are disguised claiming to be Americans and those who claim to be friends to America. They hate America because she is so great and will do anything to take her down.
    Many took their mask’s off to give us a glimpse of who they truly are…. we have seen their faces… more masks will fall and they too will be seen.
    Although today we are few; tomorrow we will grow to become many…We will never forget who you are…
    WE WILL REMEMBER, WE WILL WORK AGAINST YOU
    WE WILL FIGHT TO KEEP AMERICA’S COMPASS POINTING NORTH
    WHO ARE WE? WE ARE AMERICANS… OUR POWDER IS DRY

  93. Neetabug,

    Great suggestion at 3:412.

    ADMIN,

    I agree. Let us know is you’re ever short on cash. I’d be happy to send donations your way. Unlike most of America’s elected officials, you deserve them.

  94. MP…….I believe the stock will continue to go down each day until it hits bottom

    no one wants to pay BHO’s taxes

  95. And one other thing, now that my depression is giving way to rage,

    F*** BO and all his slimy, thugish, misogynistic, race-baiting, self-aggrandizing crew.

    Do you think for one minute that if JM had won (not to mention HRC) he and his ilk would be trying to make nice?
    PULLEEEEZZEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!
    I won’t forgive, i won’t forget and I sure as he11 won’t pretend the country and especially women weren’t cluster-f***ed.

    Here’s a quote I think women should think about, from Dr. Sock? (NQ) “Is there any other oppressed group of people on earth who are expected to excuse any and all injuries to themselves as long as someone else benefits?”

  96. Some people here whom I respect are making the mistake of blaming Hillary for the Obama victory. They should step back for a minute and think this though. If they do that they will realize that the responsibility for this lies with the Republicans. Here is why.

    After Hillary suspended her campaign a number of us tried to tell the Republicans this was a new kind of warfare, Obama would use organizations like ACORN, cheating would be endemic, they needed to develop a ground game, they needed to go on the attack early, they needed to present all the facts and hold nothing back as long as it was tuthful. We met, we corresponded but in the end they did not take out advice to heart until it was too late. Before the third debate I managed to send them one of admins postings to the top of he campaign which they could obtain on line. A week later they thanked me and said it helped them win and send more which I did. But it was too little too late.

  97. Actually,
    Here’s the entire excerpt from Violet at Various and Sundry.

    The rules are different for women than for any other oppressed group. Consider if the shoe were on the other foot: if this were the election of the first (white) woman president, but she’d won by waging a grossly racist campaign against not one but two African-Americans. A campaign where the word “nigger” became the standard term of reference for the two AA candidates. A campaign where the AA candidates were ridiculed and slandered as shiftless and lazy and dumb, where the historic nature of their achievement was completely denied.

    In those circumstances, would African-Americans be expected to put all that aside and weep with joy that a (white) woman had finally been elected President? Of course not.

    In a patriarchy women are expected to abase themselves utterly. But I don’t play by that rule.

    When people are telling you that women ought to be happy for black men right now despite the tread marks on their own backs, think about that.

    Is there any other oppressed group of people on earth who are expected to excuse any and all injuries to themselves as long as someone else benefits?

    For my part, I just keep thinking of my sisters in feminism from so many years ago, the heartbroken refugees from the Civil Rights movement. It’s true that Martin Luther King’s dream has now been realized. That’s because when King said “all God’s children, black men and white men,” he really meant men. There was no room for women in King’s dream, except as obedient wives and compliant whores.

    The dream where women are full members of the human race — that dream hasn’t been realized yet. In fact, I’m not sure it’s ever even been articulated without some men snickering somewhere in the background. And if today’s celebrations are any indication, we’re still a long ways away.

  98. Basil….. sister i am with you in not forgiving BO and MO and THEIR clan

    I’m not ready to make nice …..I am ready to continue the fight

    and we have several to get moving on it’s only 2 years till the 2012 election cycle begins

    We the people need to encourage Sara Palin to run in 2012
    We need to work on getting out the bad dems and repulicans that are in office now
    we need to grow our ground game starting NOW
    we need a better plan and come out of the gate running

    and

    we need to continue to dig the dirt and expose it on BHO and his FRIENDS

  99. Hillary said that if she lost she would work her heart out for Obama. She kept her word unlike Obama the lier. This is a women who speaks the truth and I plan to stand my her.

    I don’t understand all the Hillary bashing was’nt there of it enough from BO the DNC and the MSM.

  100. Heard on Hannity today that Rezko is supposedly singing like a bird concerning Obama’s purchase of his house along with otherr dealing with him and FBI is investigating. They better finish up within the next 9 weeks or that investigation will be closed on January 20th!

  101. ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!

    No more TV for me and so I’m listening to talk radio and MArk levin (who I’ve never heard before) ranting about why the F*** should he celebrate the first AA president if that man is a thug, a fraud, a liar and a thief!!!!!!

    I concur. 👿

  102. Quite frankly, the blame for the loss lies twofold.

    1 : Rush Limbaugh and that disastrous Operation Chaos went on the wrong way, he should have took Obama out from the getgo, they thought Hillary was easier to beat.

    2 : The republicans and McCain not unleashing unholy hell on Obama and his associations, the gloves should have come off and stayed off. They let him away with everything, they didnt attack with Wright or anything hard enough.

    Personally i have a feeling the republicans wanted to lose this one badly, i think McCain thought when the economic crisis hit “Fuck this, the dems can have it, I’m not tieing myself to this mess”

    I think Obama has a poison chalice, he won the WH at the worst possible time and I honestly dont think he and the Dems have the brains to handle it. Perhaps the republicans thought after watching the lame dem congress for the last 2 years and said let them destroy themselves and we’ll pick up the pieces in a few years.

    We’ll have to wait and see but i am really begining to think they deliberately threw this election.

  103. rjk1957 Says:
    November 5th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    Heard on Hannity today that Rezko is supposedly singing like a bird concerning Obama’s purchase of his house along with otherr dealing with him and FBI is investigating. They better finish up within the next 9 weeks or that investigation will be closed on January 20th!

    —————————————————————–

    Thing is Obama cannot do a pardon on this one as it would stink to high heaven. Obama’s administation you just know will be worse than Nixons for corruption.

  104. Another angle I thought of was with Hillary was with the economic crisis as is and the poison chalice presidency this will be, could she have thought, hey, work for him,earn my points, get him elected, watch him crash and burn in corruption and scandal and failure, so he wont seek another term, then Hillary 2012.

  105. Another angle I thought of was with Hillary was with the economic crisis as is and the poison chalice presidency this will be, could she have thought, hey, work for him,earn my points, get him elected, watch him crash and burn in corruption and scandal and failure, so he wont seek another term, then Hillary 2012.

    —-
    No problem with teh strategy but also she needs to be firm and vocal about things that were wrong in the primary and general this year.

  106. moononpluto said:
    We’ll have to wait and see but i am really begining to think they deliberately threw this election.
    ——————-
    That is the first thought I had in my head when I woke up this morning. Why didn’t they wrok harder; they did not perform like the Repub party we have known. And then, I thought was Sarah meant to be a joke to weigh him down? Also while groping for my slippers, I thought “What did Brazille and Rove cook up and why?” But I think you hit it — the problems are so big and dimocrats will make a mess and they’ll have their time in the WH and the blacks will have thier prez and everybody will have nothing to complain about — and all shall be ripe in a few years for a big Repub comeback which will last for years onward.
    Is that too out?

  107. THE DAY AFTER OBAMA

    drudge report headlines:

    Medvedev fails to mention Obama once during 85-minute state of nation address…

    Stocks Have Biggest Post-Election Slump in History….

    Russia to base missiles on EU border…

    Israel launches first airstrike on Gaza since June…

    Hamas fires over 35 rockets towards Israel… Iran warns U.S. not to violate airspace…

    CHANGE? Obama Offers Rahm Emanuel Chief of Staff…

    Ark. police hurt trying to break up Obama party…

    Watch out Carla Bruni! Michelle’s after your crown…

  108. If I had been McCain what I would have done is grabbed the Pillsbury doughboy Rove by the nape of the neck and said okay asshole you and that traitor brazille undermined Hillary who was a centrist and got them to nominate this left wing nut Obama. You have done a grave disservice to the country and if you want to have any future working for this party then you need to give me a strategy to counter everthing he is doing because you were the architect of this mess.

  109. Capehart: Obama Thanked ‘His Reporters,’ Uh, Supporters
    By Mark Finkelstein | November 5, 2008 – 14:27

    Today’s Unintentional Honesty Award goes to Jonathan Capehart. The Washington Post editorialist, discussing Barack Obama’s acceptance speech last night, spoke of the president-elect thanking “his reporters,” before catching himself and substituting “supporters.”

    Joe Scarborough, with an assist from executive producer Chris Licht, called Capehart out on his Freudian slip. The WaPo man proceeded to pat himself on the back as one of those rare MSM members who had not been in the tank for Obama. Right.

    http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=e46UQuZunz

    newsbusters.org/

  110. I’ve been off work today, and have been reading Riverdaughter and this blog. I feel a sadness for this country, and everyone who was bamboozled by this election. I haven’t had the courage to watch McCain’s concession speech. Perhaps some day I will. I started off supporting McCain as a protest vote, but as the election progressed and I learned more about him, I grew to respect his honor, integrity, and strength of character. Sarah Palin is the salt of the earth, and I hope she can go back to Alaska and great things in the area of energy, which seems to be her forte. I love Piper Palin. Such a cutie.

    I also feel sad for the LGBT community, who gave their support to BO, who had no prior history of supporting the gay community. The dimocrats who voted for BO, also voted to ban gay marriage in 3 states, including “liberal” CA. Worst of all, AA’s overwhelmingly voted to restrict the civil rights of one community. Doesn’t that seem hypocritical and similar to the behavior of bigots? I find this sad for the gay community. They are under the bus, with women, older people, and anyone else who doesn’t agree with them. I do not feel happy, at all, for this election.

    As far as Senator Clinton, I believe that she had to do what she did to survive. She is a party person, and after upteen years of being harassed and abused by Republicans, she couldn’t support McCain. No one in the dimocratic party spoke out against the misogyny, sexism, gender bias, or homophobia. Why people expected Senator Clinton do so, is amazing. She would have been barbequed in the press, ostracized from her party, and the Clinton legacy would have been diminished. I hope she is not marginalized by the Obama party, but I think, we will see that happen. It is already happening with Lieberman. Apparently, he is meeting with Reid and Pelosi on Thursday. The purging is starting.

    Also, there is also talk of privatizing Social Security. And all those seniors believed BO’s lies that McCain wanted to do this. The hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me. Now, we can look forward to our 401K plans losing their tax advantage. There was a meeting about this within the past two weeks. The article was posted on this site.

    Women and gays are the niggers of the world.

  111. Basil,

    I am really liking your posts right now. I am not congratulating Obama either. If I do that, I will be a hypocrite like him. Preach on!!!!!!!! Preach on !!!!!!!

    Too many people treated Obama with kid gloves. The race card was very effective in accomplishing that.

  112. I am going to post something i think is worthwhile and a great smart resoning of last night.

    From a republican and their point of view. It needs to be said and I agree, republicanism needs to change and finally some of them see it.

    ———————————————————————————-
    I’ve been thinking a lot of what happened last night and I want to give you thought of how this happened and what went down in the UK in 1996 because its the same.

    This is very like similar to what happened in the UK when Tony Blair swept out the British conservatives in 1996, its exactly the mirror of what happened last night, Obama is Blair mark 2, a smooth speaker with not much substance that ended up practically bankrupting the moral and financial fabric of the UK and having to leave in disgrace.

    Blair did what Obama did promised change and renewal and look what happened, landslide victory of the scale on the back of a very unpopular economy and conservative prime minister.

    The problem was then the conservatives imploded, we cannot let that happen. The british conservatives are only just getting back in force now and its because the old guard refused to relinquish the reins for 8 years and only now have the younger more dynamic leaner conservatives taken shape and taken shape with force with amazing results.

    This is why Palin needs to be brought in to lead now with Jindal and more younger conservative Republicans getting star power because they know this is a changing of the old guard, the old republican warhorses need to bowing out we need fresh ideas to bring more people in. We need to stick to the conservative values. We need to get them pumped and taking the leadership role.

    Governors like Palin and Jindal are the way forward, theres going to be one hell a power struggle for the soul of the party but the older generation needs to stand aside quickly for a new brand of republican conservatism. For if we dont, you can forget the next 12 years.

    We cannot afford to lose states likes Indiana and North Carolina and the whole Midwest is teetering on the brink last night.

    If we don’t get a grip fast we’re in trouble, the dynamic and demographics of this country are changing, if we dont follow that, then we will be forever out of power.

    We need to bring African Americans and Latino’s and Asians back to the party, they are definitely more conservative than democrat but we need policies to reflect that within our own acceptances, things have to change that want to make them come back.

    We need to have someone ready in 4 years and it has to be someone like Palin and Jindal, there needs to be a big cleanout, People like Libby Dole and Ted Stevens need to be gone and taking backseats getting the younger generation ready for the fight because 2012 will come fast.

    What comes next, we have to decide but make no mistake, delaying it is not an option and if they wont go, they must be told to go.

  113. Dijia,
    I spent enough years working in the black community (2 decades, i think, qualifies me to comment) to have seen the hand-up morphed into the expected hand-out. I am sick to death of the whining the crying the finger-pointing the guilt-trips the head-games and the total milking of what started as a good cause turned into an entitlement. Add that to the blatant sexism of many AA men and the comparison of all the perks given to AA’s at the expense of other minorities and poor and there’s not a white-guilt-bone left in my body. There is however a simmering rage at the rest of the country being expected to place nursemaid to a group who have achieved as much parity as is possible for the rest of us minus inherited wealth, status, and position. No one helped me or any of my 8 siblings finish HS and go through college. No one paid a dime when any of us got sick or had to work 2 and 3 jobs to pay the bills. No one gave us breakfast, lunch, dinner, and I’m sure the same is true of 98% of other Americans.
    Bo and his crew tried hard to make this all about race. Now it is. That and sexism.

    Moonpluto, I agree with everything you said. I was thinking about Rush, too, and how he single-handedly helped turn a salvageable situation turn into a nightmare. Wonder if he realizes that.

    I also think the repubs deliberately threw the race.

    Now that he’s gotten what he wanted i hope BO also gets everything he deserves. You know that old saying, be careful what you wish for – it may come true. 😈

  114. Here are some comments from another thread that I thought was entertaining. LOL!!!!!

    1. How’s Chris Matthews doing today? I heard they had to bandage his leg it was so swollen and red from all the tingling. LOL!!!!!

    2.Does anyone have an address where you can write Gov Palin?
    _______________________________________________-
    Ask the Dems. They apparently have access to ALL of her e-mail accounts.

    3. I’m sure Michelle thought her (election night) dress was just “GAWJUS”!!!!

    4. SHE ALWAYS LOOKS LIKE TRAILOR TRASH
    ____________________
    Don’t give trailor trash a bad name. She looked like project trash

    5. I truly hope Palin does NOT go on Oprah. She would be lowering herself for sure.

  115. She wont be able, no doubt Oprah will be WH press secretary or ambassador to some shithole with any luck. Bill Ayers is probably lined up as Ambassador to Cuba or Venezuela.

  116. Moonpluto,

    I’ve read that piece comparing Bo to Blair. A lot of similarities.

    Dijia, How freaking SICK si that!!!! “Bo thanked his REPORTERS!!!!” I wonder if he had a special treat for tweetie and ogremann. 👿

    Hearing that Tom Brokaw was on the vp list made my jaw drop lower than it already is!!! And THEN hearing clips of him sighing about how he’d realized when he was just a wee lad that if his complexion were just a tad bit darker he wouldn’t have gotten the opportunities he’d had made me wanna PUKE!!!!!!!

    F*** these ivory-towered pious wealthy liberal POS forcing their friggin ‘working-out-of-childhood-trauma on the rest of us!
    Maybe if they’d spent years in the trenches like me and other urban teachers, health-care workers, social-workers, they’d realize it really ISN’T about race anymore (or at least it wasn’t until BO stirred the race pot again) and people ARE given a shot in this country to work their butts off and make something of themselves. Unfortunately, BO’s method of CLEARING the field rather than LEVELING the field is probably gonna be embraced by his supporters. LAzy people come in all shapes, colors and sizes. No one gets anywhere in this world without putting their shoulder to the grindstone unless you’re
    heir to a fortune. (and I won’t get into property redistribution now). 👿

  117. A new generation transforms US politics
    By James Carville

    Exit polling indicates that Mr Obama won two-thirds of those voting under 30 years old against 32 per cent for John McCain. Compare that with a 54-45 margin for John Kerry in 2004 and a 48-46 margin for Al Gore in 2000. Consider this: if young people had voted for Democrats at about the same proportion of the overall electorate (52-46) as they had voted as recently as 2000 for Mr Gore and for many cycles prior, Mr Obama would not have won North Carolina or Indiana. Young voters also provided the margin of victory in key battleground states such as Florida, Virginia and Ohio. The youth vote expanded the map for Mr Obama; it put him over the top in states not won by Democrats in decades.

    Additionally, exit polling indicates young voters increased their share of the electorate to 18 per cent, which is no small feat. These numbers will be studied for years to come. But already it is clear that the importance of the margin by which Mr Obama and Democrats up and down the ballot won 18-29 year olds must not be understated.

    By large margins, young people believe that Mr Obama can and will change the direction of the country. Their view that government should take an active role in society separates them from older voters. Young people want to see government try to solve problems, like environment and healthcare, and are willing to pay a little more in taxes to make it happen. Their view is indicative of a larger problem for the Republican party.

    In presidential politics, party dominance is cyclical. Look at 1896-1932, then 1932-1968, then 1968-2008. Republican dominance over the past 40 years (the exceptions being one term for Jimmy Carter and two for Bill Clinton) grew out of a reaction to the 1960s. It was rooted in the power of the white male vote. But that voting bloc is shrinking while emerging Democratic constituencies are projected to grow in size and voting strength. To put it simply, every shrinking demographic is Republican and every growing one is Democratic.

    One party has to lose a presidential election every four years. Congressional seats change hands every election cycle. Elections come and go and usually they are without deep or abiding consequence for either party. That is politics. But occasionally there is the election, like this one, that makes a resounding, lasting impact on the US political landscape. The Republican party, now an at all-time low in popularity, has lost a generation of voters. In 2008, a new Democratic majority has emerged with young voters at the helm. It is a majority that will continue for 40 more years.

  118. So AAs finally have their president which they felt entitled to even after being ONLY 12% of the population.

    Women are 52% of the population. When are we going to feel entitled to it? When will we build a working coalition (like the AAs) and support each other close to 100% to elect our own woman president?

  119. Birdgal,

    Ignorance, castles-in-the-air-thinking and stupidity all have consequences. 😯

    ‘I also feel sad for the LGBT community, who gave their support to BO, who had no prior history of supporting the gay community.’

  120. pm13,

    AND black men got the right to vote 50 years before ANY woman.

    It’s all too true that women are their own worst enemies.

  121. Coz I needed a laugh and hope you all find this as funny . . .

    from the Daily Mash (UK)
    ……….BO’s coronation
    He told a crowd of 250,000 supporters in his home city of Chicago: “Remember, change is something that happens in the middle of the night when we’re all fast asleep and very often the next morning no-one can tell that anything has actually changed.

    “I promised you change you can believe in, I did not promise you change you can actually see.”
    He added: “You believe in Jesus don’t you? Right, but have you ever seen Jesus? Exactly. Just making sure we’re all on the same page.”

    Mr Obama said he would bring about change by working closely with the vast and terrifying multi-national corporations that had funded his campaign and pledged to end the war in Iraq in order to create a much bigger war in Afghanistan.

    “But instead of some middle-aged white guy doing it, it’ll be me and I’m half-Kenyan. D’you see?”

    Bill McKay, a college student from Denver, said: “I can’t believe I now live in a country where an African American can be elected to the presidency after spending just $600 million on advertising.”

    He added: “Give me a hug!”

  122. Well, DB was right. The democratic party has changed. It is no longer the party of FDR. Maybe, with all the new taxes and more government involvement, maybe UHC can be realized.

    I still believe women and gays were thrown under the bus. Also, this election exposed the ageism, and pitting of young against old.

    HWC: What do you mean, don’t go there?

  123. birdgal,

    Some food for thought about the LGBT issues.

    Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:40:59 PM by Laissez-faire capitalist

    According to the internals conducted after election day, 70% of blacks voted to ban homosexual marriage in California. Without their support, Proposition 8 would have failed, due to the fact that a slight majority of whites in California were against Proposition 8.

    Poll after poll has shown that around 75% of blacks across America do not support homosexual marriage,

  124. Basil, that is what my rant was about. 70%!!! of blacks voted for the ban. Hispanics were more evenly divided. Civil rights are only for blacks? I’m not even gay, but the imbalance in demographics is irritating.

    Maybe, the dims can work on passing the ERA. That would be a change, that I might be able to believe in.

  125. Black voter turnout for ______ in California was the margin of victory for the anti-gay Proposition 8. Whites opposed it, and even Catholic Latinos split, blacks voted heavily to deliver a major blow to gay equality. Here’s the kicker:

    (1) Blacks are far and away the group hardest hit by AIDS in the U.S. (‘pediatric AIDS’ basically means ‘black children with AIDS’); and

    (2) Africa has suffered an AIDS holocaust.

    But gay AIDS activists fought for the medical treatments/funding that today save black lives by the thousands in the U.S. and by the millions in Africa.

    Gay AIDS activists fought to give hope to African Americans. Proposition 8 is how they were repaid.

  126. pm317,

    AAs unity to elect a AA president. women do not unity to elect a woman president. when women learn in the future that they need to unity to a woman president, then it will happen.

    pm317 Says:

    November 5th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
    So AAs finally have their president which they felt entitled to even after being ONLY 12% of the population.

    Women are 52% of the population. When are we going to feel entitled to it? When will we build a working coalition (like the AAs) and support each other close to 100% to elect our own woman president?

  127. BHO won because he knows to unity AAs by using race card and divide the white people and other plus the worst economic crisis.

  128. I take issue with having to listen to a policeman friend of mine drool over this win. He argued that Fox News was a trash tabloid site and never watched it. He argued that all the negatives against Obama were contrived by the Republicans. And this was after I told him I didn’t want to get into it at all.

    I can’t believe how many of my friends drank the Koolaid and are not gloating.

  129. oh…and he also argued that Palin had absolutely no experience, that Obama did, and that Hillary had no right to run for the presidency.

    I just looked at him and told him to either shut up or get the “h” out.

  130. Jan, if people did a little bit of research, they would see that the information is correct, and not Republican “lies.” The left is as bad, as the extreme right. I think MSNBO is a trash tabloid site.

  131. birdgal,

    Apparently Civil Rights are only relevant and applicable to AA’s. No other group suffers any injustice except for AA’s. Brazile and Dean BLOCKED having Civil Rights enforcement applied to gays a couple of years ago. Any gay person (or woman) who voted for BO has no one but themselves to blame for not taking the time to become well-informed, and I mean beyond BM. Laziness has consequences, just like hard-work.

    Can you say RACIST!!!!!!!

  132. I have been spending some time in rural America for the past few weeks.
    Today has been a very low point in this small town. I went to a local UPS office and there was an old man in his sixties/seventies…..he was packing so many things while I patiently waited to be served by a real wonderful woman.

    When the man had difficulty wrapping some awkward packing, I helped him. He said that he was wrapping his son’s things and shipping them…he took his own life a couple of days ago because he was fed up with the country….it was so sad….the woman saying we still have a great country and me there trying to say the right things to this man who was still in grief…….

    This is the first time in my life I have met somebody whose child has taken his/her life…it was so said…All I could say was “have faith” all the while I did not feel I have much left within me!

  133. This is the first time in my life I have met somebody whose child has taken his/her life…it was so said…All I could say was “have faith” all the while I did not feel I have much left within me!

    — “it was so SAD”

  134. I heard some of the younger Obama supporters talking today…obama was living with them in their world…one girl said she had received over 30 text messages from the camp and multiple phone calls…the obama camp did create a movement they identified with…like kids of another time following the beatles…they had a very strong internet presence with facebook and the rest of it and were in communication all the time…the obama camp made it fun and cool and important and created a bond and connection for them and then they got to their parents and it kept spreading…and then the AA, etc

    …it went way beyond receiving an email from Hillary or McCain…or a phone bank…it was constant interaction on many levels…

    this is how it will be done in the future…there is no going back…anyone who wants to get in the game is going to have to communicate on this level…the obama camp set the standard and they certainly won’t be letting go…so anyone that wants to compete with this guy better get prepared because he will just keep building on this mob, er, movement connection for his second term prep…and his team will do their best to destroy anyone that looks like a threat along the way…

    …just a silly aside…last night when I saw the O family walk out and I saw that dress, I could not believe it…’what the hell is she wearing?’ why didn’t someone stop her before she stepped into the limelight of the whole world…so, I wondered if anyone else had the same reaction…

    anyway there is article out with tons of comments on that dress…very snarky, but i guess that’s karma after all the stuff hill and sarah took…

    my favorite was…she looked like she was wearing a basic black dress and walked into a wall of fresh red paint…that was one of the kindest remarks…(oh, forgive me… : )

  135. mp, it is very sad. I have felt depressed too about this country lately and this election is the pits and being immigrants, we always have one foot here and one foot in our home country and if neither works, where else would you go? But for a parent to lose his/her child is the ultimate grief and lately I have come across at least three couples who lost their 20+ year olds to car accidents. There is nothing we can say or do that will comfort them but try we must.

  136. # birdgal Says:
    November 5th, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Jan, if people did a little bit of research, they would see that the information is correct, and not Republican “lies.” The left is as bad, as the extreme right. I think MSNBO is a trash tabloid site.
    ——————————

    Now that their guy won, I wonder if some people venture out to non-republican blogs like these and see what we’re saying.

  137. You know it amazes me, here is a guy that fought for his country, a prisoner of war, a long term senator who has paid his dues loses to a guy who might not even be a citizen of the US, who surrounds himself with all kinds of crooks becomes the president of the US.

    WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY

  138. from nq comment, no name attached:

    Please join us for this historical Inaugural Celebration for President Barrack Hussein Obama. It will be a day of great events for all!

    8:15 AM – Reverend Wright delivers the God Damn America sermon on the White House Lawn

    8:45 AM – Billy Ayers steps on and burns the American Flag

    9:30 AM – Professor Rashid Khaldi panel discussion on why Israel should be blown off the planet

    10:30 AM – Khalid Al Monsour discusses financing radical Islamic Extremist Youth scholarships to Harvard

    11:30 AM – Tony Rezko live via sattelite from Joliette Federal Prison “How to make a killing as a Slumlord”

    12:30 PM – Lunch with distinguished Anti-America Father Pfleger saying grace

    2:30 PM – Michelle Obama discusses how to buy earrings for $600 or less

    3:30 PM – Senator Hillary Clinton discusses why women will never be part of politics in a sexist, Obama Presidency

    4:30 PM – Senator Bill Clinton discusses why his wife would have been a better President

    5:30 PM – FCC Head Kieth Olbermann discusses how to cheat America out of truth in journalism

    6:30 PM – Chris Matthews discusses gays in America and how much relief it is to come out of the closet

    7:30 PM – Dinner discussion – How much of a moron is Sarah Palin anyway?

    8:00 PM – Muslim call to prayer

    8:30 PM – Dinner and dancing with Ludacris singing about what a bitch Hillary is and how Senator McCain deserves to be paralyzed in a wheelchair.

    Midnight – Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez drink champagne toast to their brother in communism Comrade Obama. Burning of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence and fireworks display. Long live the US of Hussein!

  139. wbboei, did you post that comment from your native American friend that you said you post later? Did I miss it?

  140. In a previous post, I have enumerated the many advantages that Obama enjoyed unfairly during this election cycle. I’ll repost them here to make a point:

    1. Biased Media

    This is his biggest advantage because every other advantage Obama had was anchored on it. His weaknesses were downplayed, his strengths mythologized, his opponent’s weaknesses magnified and his opponent’s strengths caricatured. Any potentially explosive clips or videos are buried while his opponents are thoroughly attacked. The mainstream media has served as his most effective PR firm/attack dog. In fact, with this, he doesn’t even need to place ads. The MSM is doing it all for him.

    2. Economic Meltdown

    This was what changed the direction of the game. In the beginning of the race, McCain started behind but was able to catch up and take the lead. In past races, that trend could have propelled McCain to a victory. It was the economic meltdown that stopped his momentum and completely reversed the trend. Note that at any other time, an economic meltdown would not have helped Obama. Had it happened in the primaries, Hillary would have clobbered him despite his advantages. Had it happened after the elections, it wouldn’t have mattered.

    3. An unpopular incumbent

    This president has lower approval ratings than Nixon. The hatred of Bush has so solidified that no known democrat could have lost against any republican. Only Obama was vulnerable despite his advantages because he is such a lightweight.

    4. Race

    The historic nature of his candidacy has helped him generate excitement that no other narrative can match. It is to the Republicans’ credit that they were able to match the mythos surrounding Obama with McCain’s heroic past. Because of the historical nature of his candidacy, his inexperience and naivete was largely ignored. It also lead to race-baiting where all criticism of Obama was painted as racist.

    5. Misogyny

    In a stroke of political genius, McCain solidified his base by getting Sarah Palin as his running mate. This served the double purpose of highlighting Obama’s inexperience while attempting to capture disaffected democrats. Misogyny aided by an unresponsive MSM reared its ugly head and it helped damp enthusiasm for Sarah Palin. Misogyny also helped Obama win the Democratic nomination.

    6. Financial Advantage

    By circumventing election laws, the Obama campaign managed to maintain and increase its financial advantage throughout the campaign. For McCain, a biased media and Obama’s illicit financial advantage was just a fatal combination.

    With all of this, it is important for all of us here to understand that we fought a good fight. With all of his advantages, Obama almost lost the election had it not been for one single factor – the economic meltdown. That is testament to what we have accomplished here. Prior to the economic problems. McCain was on an upswing and was already leading the polls by 3%. That is because of us. Be proud. Even we cannot overcome such tremendous odds. Remember, for any other candidate, this should have been a cakewalk. Any two advantages I listed above could have created an unstoppable juggernaut after the Democratic convention and would have propelled any Democrat to the White house. That Obama actually fell behind is proof that we have been effective. It was the economic meltdown that did it for him, that’s all. In the end, this is not a win that Obama can be proud of.

  141. I don’t have a link but did you all hear that about 10 million less Republicans voted in the election (from 2004)

  142. http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/2008/11/the_list_which_presidential_po.html

    The Pew Research Center and Rasmussen Reports were the most accurate in predicting the results of the 2008 election, according to a new analysis by Fordham University political scientist Costas Panagopoulos.

    The Fordham analysis ranks 23 survey research organizations on their final, national pre-election polls, as reported on pollster.com.

    On average, the polls slightly overestimated Obama’s strength. The final polls showed the Democratic ahead by an average of 7.52 percentage points — 1.37 percentage points above his current 6.15-point popular vote lead. Seventeen of the 23 surveys overstated Obama’s final victory level, while four underestimated it. Only two — Rasmussen and Pew — were spot on.

  143. mariaconz Says:
    November 5th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
    Thought you might like to know that the New York Observer wants to run more letter to the editor regarding sexism in the New Yorker and Rolling Stone magazines, the voter fraud in Iowa, and why I’m not supporting candidates or magazines that don’t support women. I’d run the whole letter that the New York Observer wants to print, but there isn’t room here.
    =========

    Maria, do they want letters from us too? Should we comment on yours? What’s the url?

  144. ABM, thank you for your response. I understand completely. I think the problem some of us have right now with Hillary, is that we feel she should have stood up to the party. We are upset that they took here out and then she in turn goes and stumps for him and helps get him elected.

    I do understand the part about her staying in because of the party, but I, myself feel that she should have done to the party what they did to her and struck out on her own. She left them walk all over her and then she supported them and I guess I feel that is a sign of weakness or resignation. Of course I can be wrong about that, but that is just the way I’m seeing it and the way I’m feeling about it all right now.

    I supported Hillary and felt the way you all do, but when she stuck with those who did her in and helped get them in power, then that is where I drew the line.

  145. Greata wrote this and posted this on Greatwire…and it made me cry Greata has been a true champion for Sarah. +++++++++++++++++
    From Greatawire
    Since mid August I have heard many (especially women) talk about Governor Palin and read many things said (especially by women) about Governor Palin. I just want to comment about a remark or two.
    Unlike all her critics, I actually spent time with Governor Palin (twice) …also met her husband….and her mother…and friends…and I actually went up to Alaska and talked to people who know her personally and/or simply as a politician in their state…I did not run into others in the media when I was in Alaska..where were they? Why didn’t they go to Alaska and do what I did? It might have been more enlightening than talking to each other about her.
    I got out of the comfort of my own studio, flew hours and hours (red eye back I might add!) to get my own look rather than be poisoned by the remarks of others….yes, I was able to avoid the herd mentality that poisons the media…and there is no doubt in my mind that she is very smart, an astute politician, a very nice person and that she will be back ….maybe or probably 2012? You may not agree with her (and I certainly don’t on all issues….but I don’t agree with anyone on all issues..not even my friends or my family…) but the treatment she got from the media was disgraceful. It is one thing to disagree, and to challenge (that is the media’s job) but another to simply gratuitously and personally insult and treat with great disrespect….being an elitist is not a quality my parents would want me to have

  146. Obama sticks his finger in the eyes of his “progressive” supporters and names Rahm Emanuel as his chief of staff. Before today, Rahm was considered pure scum by the “progressives” now he is a true “partisan” fighter. I wonder how the ‘obots will rationalize the nomination of Doug Kmiec when the next SCOTUS opening occurs? Obama is just like a teen-age boy with ODD.

  147. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15342.html

    The day after Barack Obama won the presidency, BGR Holding, once one of Washington’s dominant Republican-only lobbying shops, announced it had acquired a Democratic firm with close ties to the incoming administration.

    BGR’s acquisition of Westin Rinehart illustrates a broad restructuring on K Street that’s accelerating now that Democrats are poised to control both Congress and the White House.

    Republican heads of business trade groups are bracing for pink slips, and some corporate offices are giving Democratic lobbyists promotions to co-chair their shops and help open more doors on Capitol Hill and in the new administration.

    The repositioning highlights how little Washington is likely to change, despite all the anti-lobbyist rhetoric tossed around in the campaign.

    The partisan titles might shift, but the tactics won’t. Access to people in powerful positions remains a valuable commodity, and Democrats are finding plenty of people willing to pay high prices for it.

  148. Well Obots should be careful what they wish for
    They just might get it=CHANGE.

    Check this out ev1
    Does this sound familiar
    This will be considered off-topic — but it isn’t. I thought I’d share this letter which was sent to the Editor of the Times-Dispatch by a gentlemen who escaped Cuba in the 1960’s. His words come from the experience of believing in someone, without taking the time to know who they really are, and the consequences that followed:
    Subject: Celebration
    From Richmond Times-Dispatch, Monday, July 7, 2008
    Dear Editor, Times-Dispatch:
    Each year I get to celebrate Independence Day twice. On June 30 I celebrate my independence day, and on July 4, I celebrate America ’s. This year is special, because it marks the 40th anniversary of my independence.
    On June 30, 1968, I escaped Communist Cuba, and a few months later, I was in the United States to stay. That I happened to arrive in Richmond on Thanksgiving Day is just part of the story, but I digress.
    I’ve thought a lot about the anniversary this year. The election-year rhetoric has made me think a lot about Cuba and what transpired there. In the late 1950s, most Cubans thought Cuba needed a change, so when a young leader came along, every Cuban was at least receptive.
    When the young leader spoke eloquently and passionately and denounced the old system, the press fell in love with him. They never questioned who his friends were or what he really believed in. When he said he would help the farmers and the poor and bring free medical care and education to all, everyone followed. When he said he would bring justice and equality to all, everyone said, ‘Praise the Lord.’ And when the young leader said, ‘I will be for change and I’ ll bring you change,’ everone yelled, ‘Viva Fidel!’
    But nobody asked about the change, so by the time the executioner’s guns went silent, the people’s guns had been taken away. By the time everyone was equal, they were equally poor, hungry, and oppressed. By the time everyone received their free education, it was worth nothing. By the time the press noticed, it was too late, because they were now working for him. By the time the change was finally implemented, Cuba had been knocked down a couple of notches to Third-World status. By the time the change was over, more than a million people had taken to boats, rafts, and inner tubes. You can call those who made it ashore anywhere else in the world the most fortunate Cubans. And now I’m back to the beginning of my story.
    Luckily, we in America would never fall for a young leader who promised change without asking, what change? How will you carry it out? What will it cost America ?
    Would we?
    Manuel Alvarez, JR.

  149. bluegirl Says:
    November 5th, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    I supported Hillary and felt the way you all do, but when she stuck with those who did her in and helped get them in power, then that is where I drew the line.
    —————————————————————————————————

    bluegirl:

    I supported Hillary, i campaigned Indiana and Pa. Spent a lot of time walking streets knocking on doors. Here in Cleveland stood on corners in a snow storm holding up signs. Donated money.

    I will never ever do this again no matter who the candidate is. I have lost faith in her. She knew a lot about Obama, yet she rather put her party first and country second than to expose him.

  150. admin Says:

    November 5th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
    ———————————————

    Yep, change you can believe in. So much for changing Washington, but we all knew, that was a crock. New style of politics? I don’t think so.

    BTW, if Wall Street wanted BO so much, why is the market tanking?

  151. Some very well thought out posts here tonight and very profound. I have a bad stomach thing tonight, so as you can see Obama makes me sick.

    I will never respect the man, just the position of the Presidency much as with Dubya. He will never be a legitimate President because he did not earn the nomination in the primary, but all in MSM has forgotten that.

  152. Basil, I don’t believe Pennsylvanians voted against their own self interests. People around here came out in numbers and our county went red. I saw a map of PA in a local newspaper and I don’t know how on earth Obama won in PA. It was almost all red.

    Philadelphia and a few counties above it were blue and a couple of other counties, but almost all of the state was red.

    I really don’t believe there were enough votes in the places that went blue, including Philadelphia, that would have put him even near the top.

    They declared Obama the winner here right at eight o’clock and only 1% of the votes were in. I don’t believe he really won in Florida or West Virginia either. I think the numbers are skewed. This election was fraught with all kinds of fraud.

    I think the people should all band together and do a protest march or something. This just can’t be swept under the rug, or we will all be exposed to this sort of thing over and over again. This must be fought.

  153. profound comment from Camille424
    similiar to bluegirl

    jerseyjill November 5, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    my husband, to whom i have been married for almost 40 years and with whom i have always voted until this year, asked me if i learned anything from this election.
    i said yes, i’ve learned some things…
    i’ve learned that a billion dollars can buy a presidency.
    i’ve learned that it doesn’t matter what you say or do, but what kind of brand you can be sold as.
    i’ve learned that misogyny is alive and well in this country, not only within men, but within women as well.
    i’ve learned that it doesn’t matter if you lie, cheat, bully, intimidate, break rules or break laws, as long as you win.
    and, unfortunately, i have also learned never again to give my heart to any political party or candidate.
    i don’t think this was the response he expected. he walked away without saying a word.

  154. Life is a tragedy to those who feel and a comedy to those who think. It will be funny to see him sink. When he drags the country down with him I am sure I will split a gusset.
    pm317 Says:

    November 5th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
    wbboei, did you post that comment from your native American friend that you said you post later? Did I miss it?
    ———————————-
    hi pm: not yet. I had another conversation with her a few minutes ago. I want her to see it before I post tomorrow. Sorry for the delay.

  155. I take issue with having to listen to a policeman friend of mine drool over this win. He argued that Fox News was a trash tabloid site and never watched it. He argued that all the negatives against Obama were contrived by the Republicans. And this was after I told him I didn’t want to get into it at all.
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    Q: I hope they dont issue him live ammunition.

  156. If you can believe the IBD poll JM was behind by 2 yet he lost by 6. The difference of 4 points is attributable to widespread and pervasive Obamacheating. He is not legitimate.

  157. admin said: As Americans, as Democrats, some as former Democrats, we hold Obama’s feet to the fire. How soon does Obama pull completely out of Iraq? …. When do those tax rates go down?
    Obama kool-aid drinkers will soon be presented with the small fine print of Obama’s promises. They will soon read Obama’s legal escape clause. It may take some time, but not long before Obama “desperation” supporters and even eventually some of the kool-aid drinkers, will realize that Obama will not keep his promises.
    ========

    Hm, sounds like the Alinksy thing about making the target live up to its own rules.

    Start by raising expectatations and keeping them up, don’t let them sag….

  158. Prediction: during the next four years the democratic party will split. The radical left Obamaprty will go one direction. The centrist faction will go another. The republcan party may do the same thing. The end result would be a centrist party which will marginalize the two extemist parties and win elections.

  159. Carl Cameron on O’Reilly was reporting that Palin is reported by “sources” within the McCain campaign to have had a tirade, to have answered the door at her hotel room inappropriately wearing only a hotel robe, etc.

    these are ridiculous double standards – and misogyny is alive and well on Fox reporting as well. Would they ever report that BO had a tantrum, or did the MSM report that he was showing off his “package” to reporters on a plane, etc….

    Anyway, it was good to see conservative men in the blogosphere defend Palin (more than the Dems ever did):
    Operation Leper

    Posted by: Erick Erickson

    Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 10:43PM CST

    27 Comments

    RedState is pleased to announce it is engaging in a special project: Operation Leper.

    We’re tracking down all the people from the McCain campaign now whispering smears against Governor Palin to Carl Cameron and others. Michelle Malkin has the details.

    We intend to constantly remind the base about these people, monitor who they are working for, and, when 2012 rolls around, see which candidates hire them. Naturally then, you’ll see us go to war against those candidates.

    It is our expressed intention to make these few people political lepers.

    They’ll just have to be stuck at CBS with Katie’s failed ratings.

    P.S. – Did I ever tell you how RedState was able to stock Gov. Palin’s campaign plane with twenty of these?. We were glad to. And we were glad not to mention it at the time. We are rooting for Sarah Palin. Don’t make us add you to our list. Do you really want to be next to Kathleen Parker in the leper colony? http://www.redstate.com/diaries/erick/2008/nov/05/operation-leper/

  160. admin said: As Americans, as Democrats, some as former Democrats, we hold Obama’s feet to the fire. How soon does Obama pull completely out of Iraq? …. When do those tax rates go down?
    Obama kool-aid drinkers will soon be presented with the small fine print of Obama’s promises. They will soon read Obama’s legal escape clause. It may take some time, but not long before Obama “desperation” supporters and even eventually some of the kool-aid drinkers, will realize that Obama will not keep his promises.
    ========

    Hm, sounds like the Alinksy thing about making the target live up to its own rules.

    Start by raising expectatations and keeping them up, don’t let them sag….
    —————————————-
    correct/ we need a good forum.

  161. I was talking with some poll workers from other precincts, I could not believe how Ohio results came in so fast. Most poll workers did not leave their precincts until 9 and 10 o’clock.

    At the polls we had to open the ballot box to count the ballots, you could see how they voted. A lot of the ballots instead of filling in the circle, a lot of voters put check marks. This would void the ballot. This is the type of voters we had at our precinct. They did not listen to us when we told them to fill in the circle on the ballot, nor did they read the instructions that was posted inside the voting booth.

    Some even circled O’s name, but at the bottom where it says write in candidate they wrote his name.
    This also voids the ballot.

    We had to take the ballot boxes to a drop off point. The people collecting the boxes have to wait until they get all the boxes from all the locations that were assigned to them. They couldn’t get to the board until around 11:00. Once at the board of elections they have to be taken out of the van loaded onto belt to go into the board. The seal on the boxes have to be checked before they are opened. I can’t understand how the votes came in so fast.

  162. Neetabug, I agree with you. Right now, I feel so down that I may never vote again, because I’ll keep thinking: why should I go and vote when the election can be bought.

    I’ll never, ever trust this country’s voting system again. I’ll never trust the media on anything again.

  163. moon, wbboei,

    I like y’all’s thinking about at least some of the GOP not wanting the mess of 2009-2012 to be on their watch. Months ago, looking at Bush Jr’s deficit, I wondered if they might be getting ready to let some Dems get back in and pay the debts and accumulate some more surplus for the GOP to waste in 2016 or 2012.

    Maybe we can imagine a silver lining for the Clintons of NOT having to undertake this mess? Let Obama do whatever he can and take the blame, then GOP 2012 and HIllary 2016…. Hillary at 68, Superwoman on hot peppers….

    Or let Palin clean the whole thing up, while Hillary makes good legislation in the Senate and Bill rests….

  164. Count, that Palin gossip is meant to hurt her future runs and it may be coming from Romney’s former staffers who fear she will be formidable for them in 2012. Greta is fighting this too. But I am happy to redstate and ace getting it together — where were Hillary’s defenders?

  165. wbboei, you are right, the entire election was rigged. I remember tuning in to the Lancaster channel and they were conducting a local bread and talking to a GOP person, and he said they had already called it before the polls were even closed here.

    I said about that PA map, but there was also a US map and it was mostly red. You could see all the counties of every state and they were mostly red. I know they go by the electorial college, but still, I don’t believe Obama won.

    Another thing, I have always been a firm believer of winning anything fair and square. I believe if you cheat in any way, you didn’t really win. I could never understand how anyone could feel good about “winning” something they had to cheat at to get.

    I could only feel good about winning something, knowing I really did win it, fair and square.

    I don’t see how this man can live with himself, but then he has no conscience, does he?

    I watched a little bit of Fox this evening for the first time since last night and it made me sick to hear so many people wishing Obama well. I’m sorry, but I just can’t do that. I don’t wish him well. That may be a bit mean, but it’s nothing compared to what he is like. We will all too soon be finding out what he really is like and what all he has in store for us. I’ve never felt so depressed than I have been feeling since last evening.

  166. Maria, that letter from the Cuban, is really scary, isn’t it? It’s almost identical to what has happened here.

  167. pm317 – yes, had heard that Romney staff that got absorbed into McCain staff were trying to start rumors about Palin to dim her chances for 2012.

    I just think the sexist part of the whole thing is the way the public accepts hook, line, sinker any scurrilous rumors reported, especially about women. the double standards continue…

  168. watching repeat of Greta – and she’s calling out the cowardly people who are starting these Palin rumors.

    can you imagine if the Press did this for Hillary?

    for the most part, it seems that Republicans have the instinct to call out what is unfair. they’re probably more keen to this because society and media and entertainment are generally all liberal and have treated them unfairly. what i’m discovering about conservatives, since i’ve not been one is that they believe deeply in what they value (unfortunately, that does include banning gay marriage), but regardless if liberals were not so waffly and held their beliefs as solidly, they would win the presidency more often.

  169. freckles Says:

    November 5th, 2008 at 3:21 am
    If you think about it, this mess was brought to us by Iowan caucus goers who followed instructions of that doyenne of bad judgment, Oprah!

    I hope, however, that this website will continue or be morphed elsewhere. Now is not the time to disband but to stick together and find more recruits. I think we may have a lot of work to do so I won’t say good-bye. I will say thank you.

    ————————-

    Dear freckles,

    1) I would have responded earlier, but am exhausted by phonebanking and other GOTV activities.

    2) Not that I care anymore what you think of me or my fellow Iowans, but here are some facts: In my county yesterday, 82.3 percent of the registered voters voted…45.8 % for BO and 51% for McCain. Tell me about your county, and what you contributed to the results.

    3) You have always been a drive-by attacker here. Do yourself a favor and do some research- you don’t even have to leave this site…just go back to Jan 3, 2008 and read forward until you reach the outside verifications of the Camp Obama graduates’ intimidation tactics used here. Since we were the first to be attacked, we were neither forewarned nor forearmed. Others learned from our experience.

    4) It is apparent you did not even read the evening’s comments before you made your “morphing” suggestion- that had already been brought up and settled, by Admin.

    5) And right now, after all the work people like shortTermer, neeta, lil’ole grape, djia, Confloyd, Meiyingsu,ABM90, wbboei, and dozens of others have done, please, do say good-bye, until you can come on here in a more constructive way. Until then, take your pointing finger elsewhere, like in front of your mirror.

    Then I will say thank you to you.

  170. Emjay: Thank Youand you are right on the mark with your reprimand for the Straphangers that have been giving out such a venomous criticism of the the only two who have given so much good for us and were subjected to a steady stream of hateful criticism.I took a few hits yesterday by the same group of transient visitors hit and run bloggers.Glad to stay in the hunt with you,wbboei,janh and so many many more that are supporting our concern for our great Country.

    By ABM90 You just stared a good day for me.Thanks Emjay

  171. I am still working with my friend on the Native American Prophesies on this election.

    On a different note, I woke up wondering are fair election procedures important? The first reason is obvious: to ensure that the candidate chosen is the one legitimate American voters want. The second reason is more subtle and that it to confer on that canidate the mantle of legitimacy. When we have an obamacheating factor of 7.5 percent in Indiana in the primaries and at least that in the general election in Indiana, and other states, the mandate is skaky. If you are heading into difficult times the legitimacy of your would be leader is implicated every time he makes an unpopular decision, a self serving one or simply an erroneous one. If his mandate is based in whole or in part on massive voter fraud and cheating as this one clearly was then his claim to leadership will erode quickly. Combine that with the thuggish take no prisoners approach to governing and it will erode further quickly.

    I was at a barber shop in Bellevue yesterday and the stylit and customer in the chair next to me were discussing the election. They were ignorant as swans but that did not stop them from ponificating on the subject with great authority.

    The stylist was what we the valley girl type. She ventured the enlightened opinion that Hillary was “a brilliant woman but could not unite the country”. I said to to my own barber in a stage whisper I guess that is why she won more votes in the primary than any candidate in history–because she was so . . . polarizing.

    Her customer was mortified. He was one of those noveau riche bots who probably has his own life coach and manicurist. (Did I spell that word right Emjay? For someone who does not speak French you always manage to spell it well). He pretended to ignore my comment and declared the people who hate barack now will love him in two years. Pretending to ignore him I said that depends on whether he is in Joliette prison with his friends.

    Back to the Native American Prophesies on ho we protect ourselves from the scourge of Barack. This should be fun. Great posts ABM90!

  172. blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/11/05/o-rahm-ba.aspx

    Interesting article on the Emanuel/Axelrod connection.

  173. bluegal, wbboei, all,

    I woke up convinced the election was rigged.

    1 – Bush’s remarks yesterday were so . . understated, low-key, almost sheepish, as if he KNEW BO hadn’t won fairly won.

    2 – that there was NO reported wide-spread voting problems is too suspicious –

    3 – that the pollsters weren’t THAT far off in their final predictions for the past week BO would win by 5 – 7 raises a red flag. It’s almost as if the gap was decided on in advance – not too much, not too little . . ..

    4 – That the Chicago celebration was planned moths ago, just like the MLK day nomination acceptance speech, just like the presidential convention opening speech 4 years ago . . .

    5 – BM CONTINUES trying to control voters reactions practically ORDERING us to celebrate this f***in’ anti-historic event, telling people to save their daily newspapers and wrap them in plastic for posterity . . .

    6 – JM was CONVNCED he had a great shot at PA and Ohio, Florida and Va. – I don’t believe his internals were that far off

    7 – Another stolen election. Why bother having them anymore? 👿

  174. I saw Karl Rove on Fox last night and he was almost glowing about Obama–perhaps he is actually a closet supporter? And if he is, why??? I know some conservatives have actually drunk the Kool-Aid for Obama, but I just don’t understand why when his policies are the antithesis of everything they believe.

    Also, from the cab driver who drove me to work yesterday, here is why Obama won:

    Rev. Wright is just some flake at Obama’s church
    Obama is squeaking clean–everything bad that was said is just smears
    If Obama really had issues the McCain campaign would have brought them out and they would have been on TV.

  175. I list the cab driver opinion because it’s so far out there…it’s not something I believe. It shows just how people don’t understand things or are in denial

    Yes, I agree with the financial cause. Also, people were voting with emoition and not logic.

  176. Today I received and email from Rothchild about an orgnization that was to fix the sexism that this campaign has so brought to light. It is at together4us.com

    Has anyone else gotten this email?

  177. basil, call me conspiracy-prone. But I don’t think Obama won OH, FL, (and even PA) legitimately — the margin of difference is all within the numbers we heard about in ACORN related problems and then who knows about the e-voting machines. Remember there was a comment at NQ about an NC woman and her machine changing her R votes to D votes. The only thing I buy is the depressed turnout from the Republicans about 10 million less from 2004 (and of Dems who did not want to vote for Obama but also not vote McCain). Even there I thought they would go to the polls because of their concerns over the unknown Obama — may be they threw their hands up and stayed home. After all that money and the press, I did not think his minions would ever let the little people decide — think of how big an egg on their face that would have been.

  178. AG, that cab driver is not far off. I have seen other loyal Dems brush off all our concerns either because the media didn’t bring it up (!!) or that it is all vile Republicans.

  179. PM,
    I don’t know if you’ve heard about this movie (Norma posted it) but i HIGHLY recommend it!
    It’s in 13 ten minute segments.
    MUST SEE!!!!!!
    For an explanation of the Federal Reserve, the PLANNED institution of the Great Depression and for a peek at what could happen under a BO administration, WATCH THIS!!!!!!

    Part 1 (of 5) of the Federal Reserve. MUST-SEE!!!!!

  180. Two days after the election the headline reads: obama moves to tamp down expectations. The expectations are based on his flowery rhetoric and slippery promises.

    Translation: To my thuggish friends and gullable supporters: Greetings: Now that the election is over you need to know that I have deceived you these past 15 months in more ways than you can count. But you aint seen nothing yet!–Barcrack Banana.

  181. I am totally sick, everytime I pass a TV, it’s STILL Obama all the freaking time.
    Now they are talking about her clothes and how she know her fashion, yeah RIGHT!!
    The media’s love affair with the OBAMA’s is only in its infancy! PEWK!

  182. Dont worry. This euphoria will wear thin in a few months. He can say he is tamping down expectations but there will come a time when this will be seen as betrayal. Then he will be called Uncle Tom. The problems will overwhelm him. This is a guy who got where he is through fixers and schmoozing. Just be patient. All things come to him who waits. One of the things he is doing now through surrogates is gathering dirt on republicans since he does not have a filibuster proof majority. He has promised organized labor to do away with secret ballot elections so they can be run like caucus states with all the fraud and intimidation we say. Once a thug always a thug.

  183. wbboei, gathering dirt on his opponents is what he does best as his past behavior suggests. He is a blackmailer. Somebody ought to turn the tables. Patience, like you say. Everything needs a critical mass.

  184. basil, I feel that the September surprise of the economic crisis was artificially contrived for Obama’s benefit just when it looked like he was going to implode and McCain had the big numbers coming out of his convention. Your video confirms how easy it is to manipulate some of this. I think they had the bomb ready to fire off when they needed it.

  185. Some are beginning to believe that there will be a witching hour in January. They will swear in this joker. The financial system will be on the brink because the bailout was a bandaid. And the foreign policy crisis biden mentioned may occur.

    If these things happen they may well produce an overeaction, a curtailment of civil liberties and a preciptous decline in markets. Given those risks what is an investor to do? Where is the safe haven when all hell breaks loose.

    This is not the kind of leader we need in a crisis. I hate to be so pessimistic but it is what it is.

  186. wbboei, he is the fox guarding the hen house. Even if he is a smart leader (which I doubt very much) he is not for the little people.

  187. wbboei, gathering dirt on his opponents is what he does best as his past behavior suggests. He is a blackmailer. Somebody ought to turn the tables. Patience, like you say. Everything needs a critical mass
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    PM: from your lips to Gods ear. This is the ultimate truth of who he is and how he operates. I guarantee it. Like Wolfman Jack used to say if I’m lying I’m dyin’. Guaranteed. And I thought of this when I listened to the valley girl and arrogant bot talk about how bambi will create a new heaven and a new earth. It is the Cassandra curse where you can see the future and try to warn others but they do not believe you. Human nature alas is reactive not proactive. Reaction comes late and often it is overreaction,

  188. pm317 Says:

    November 6th, 2008 at 9:30 am
    wbboei, gathering dirt on his opponents is what he does best as his past behavior suggests. He is a blackmailer. Somebody ought to turn the tables. Patience, like you say. Everything needs a critical mass.

    ———————————————————————————

    Isn’t blackmail and gathering dirt, the specialty of the Chicago machine? There is dirt out there to sink BO, but there are powerful forces, including the media, which are preventing the information from getting air and print time. The media is the BO propaganda machine.

  189. wbboei, he is the fox guarding the hen house. Even if he is a smart leader (which I doubt very much) he is not for the little people.
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    PM: the number one problem with this guy is he will abandon the middle class at a time when it needs to be preserved. The race baiting, sexism cheating, and thuggish threats he deals in are likewise a concern.

  190. basil9 Says:

    November 5th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
    Like Idunn, I am stunned and more than a little depressed today. I am not a shopper and have never turned to that to bury my heartache but I splurged on the flock today, lots of parrot pedicure perches, ladders, treats and also bought a pub-set for my tiny cottage and spent the whole afternoon putting it together. Very therapeutic.

    $$$ Pub set for the parrot? How cute. “Arrrr, matey, pour me a tall cool one.” Maybe you could get a tiny pirate to put on the parrot’s shoulder…

    I am one who thinks HRC’s political career is over. We all speculated back in February why the dems were so determined to get rid of her. In retrospect I think we were right in sensing the main objective was disposing of the Clintons.

    $$$ Agreed, to an extent. The grudge-holder in chief will do everything in his power to ice her out. The AA’s that used to support her will give her the cold shoulder. They’ll probably run someone against her in the primary. No amount of campaigning on Obummer’s behalf could help paper over the abyss between them. The whole Dem party is Obummer’s playground.

    For now, I will remain a Dem in official capacity only, to vote in primaries. But they lost me back on May 31st. I knew these scum bags were no longer my party.

  191. I have to admit that this has been a very wearing time for all of us. We prayed, we lit candles, we fought long and hard for Hillary and then repeated the cycle for McCain. And at the moment, I feel kind of empty and somewhat disillusioned by the results.

    That being said, you are all my heroes. I know that I posted this poem just a while ago, but I want to post it again in honor of hillaryis44’s amazing foot soldiers:

    The title is “The Thousandth Man” by Rudyard Kipling, but I think it applies equally to women as well:

    The Thousandth Man:

    0ne man in a thousand, Solomon says.
    Will stick more close than a brother.
    And it’s worth while seeking him half your days
    If you find him before the other.
    Nine hundred and ninety-nine depend
    On what the world sees in you,
    But the Thousandth Man will stand your friend
    With the whole round world agin you.

    ‘Tis neither promise nor prayer nor show
    Will settle the finding for ‘ee.
    Nine hundred and ninety-nine of ’em go
    By your looks, or your acts, or your glory.

    But if he finds you and you find him,
    The rest of the world don’t matter;
    For the Thousandth Man will sink or swim
    With you in any water.

    You can use his purse with no more talk
    Than he uses yours for his spendings,
    And laugh and meet in your daily walk
    As though there had been no lendings.

    Nine hundred and ninety-nine of ’em call
    For silver and gold in their dealings;
    But the Thousandth Man he’s worth ’em all
    Because you can show him your feelings.

    His wrong’s your wrong, and his right’s your right,
    In season or out of season.
    Stand up and back it in all men’s sight
    With that for your only reason!

    Nine hundred and ninety-nine can’t bide
    The shame or mocking or laughter,
    But the Thousandth Man will stand by your side
    To the gallows-foot – and after!

    Never give up the fight!!!

  192. I was thinking about what would be a counter force to Obama. As luck would have it for Obama, the GoP is in worse shape than ever. And he has just been given huge powers. He may just glide through this for the next 8 years without much damage (to himself, that is). Bush was not exposed until Katrina happened.

  193. Isn’t blackmail and gathering dirt, the specialty of the Chicago machine? There is dirt out there to sink BO, but there are powerful forces, including the media, which are preventing the information from getting air and print time. The media is the BO propaganda machine.
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    Sooner or later it will catch up with him. But the best way to take him down is to let him do it to himself. He has overpromised and will under deliver if he delievers at all. He will act in thuggish ways. And he will not be able to solve the problems and the Amrican people will blame him because they believed what he told them namely that he is the Messiah. He is now a victim of his won campaign image. He has no clue how difficult it is to govern.

  194. This is from a poster on RD:

    “There is synchronicity this morning. Just minutes before I read this Tweety on “Morning Joe” palavered and spattered a couple of statements that surely will make the annals of the comedie de absurd.

    When Tweety was asked about the misstep of Rahm Emmanuel in musing in front of cameras about whether or not to become the Chief Energizer Bunny for the Lightbringer, Tweety said, “As journalists, we can’t speculate about motivations because we can never be sure. I never engage in speculation.” Forget about all the times he mused tingling afoot to leg about Hillary’s motivations, but I digress.

    After this amazing lie, he immediately followed up by saying in answer to whether or not he would hold the Lightbringer’s feet to the fire, “My job is to make this Obama administration a success. It should be the job of all journalists to make this administration look good because we are due for a successful Presidency.”

    The last sentence is scary. They aren’t “journalists.” They are tabloid shows.

  195. The Thousandth Man:

    0ne man in a thousand, Solomon says.
    Will stick more close than a brother.
    And it’s worth while seeking him half your days
    If you find him before the other.
    Nine hundred and ninety-nine depend
    On what the world sees in you,
    But the Thousandth Man will stand your friend
    With the whole round world agin you.

    ‘Tis neither promise nor prayer nor show
    Will settle the finding for ‘ee.
    Nine hundred and ninety-nine of ‘em go
    By your looks, or your acts, or your glory.

    But if he finds you and you find him,
    The rest of the world don’t matter;
    For the Thousandth Man will sink or swim
    With you in any water.

    You can use his purse with no more talk
    Than he uses yours for his spendings,
    And laugh and meet in your daily walk
    As though there had been no lendings.

    Nine hundred and ninety-nine of ‘em call
    For silver and gold in their dealings;
    But the Thousandth Man he’s worth ‘em all
    Because you can show him your feelings.

    His wrong’s your wrong, and his right’s your right,
    In season or out of season.
    Stand up and back it in all men’s sight
    With that for your only reason!

    Nine hundred and ninety-nine can’t bide
    The shame or mocking or laughter,
    But the Thousandth Man will stand by your side
    To the gallows-foot – and after!

    Never give up the fight!!!
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    Let us be that thousandth man to Hillary–as best we can. She needs our support to fight against what is occurring, namely the subversion of our democracy by the people behind obama.

  196. It should be the job of all journalists to make this administration look good because we are due for a successful Presidency.”
    ——————————————
    QED: that statement should be preserved for the record. He has just admitted that the truth is irrelevant and the role of journalists is to promote propaganda. Make no mistake this is the voice of Josef Goebbels speaking through this maggot.

  197. wwboei: There is a very interesting tread going on at RD, about media bias, and where to go from here. Lots of talk about how to fight misogyny, sexism, and gender bias. Lady Lynn de Rothchild can be a leading force for us. We have to start our own movement against the trashing and mistreatment of women. The media is turning Palin into the new Hillary. The bashing is still going on.

  198. Sooner or later it will catch up with him. But the best way to take him down is to let him do it to himself. He has overpromised and will under deliver if he delievers at all. He will act in thuggish ways. And he will not be able to solve the problems and the Amrican people will blame him because they believed what he told them namely that he is the Messiah. He is now a victim of his won campaign image. He has no clue how difficult it is to govern.
    ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    wbboei-
    What if he is like Bush? He starts governing and he is really rotten, his numbers start tumbling and we have a terrorist attack like 9/11 and he is a big hero and we have him for eight miserable years. People use their emotions and not their brains – what do you think?

  199. wbboei,

    AAs don’t care whether he deliever or not, they will come out in force to reelect him in four years.

  200. basil9 Says:

    7 – Another stolen election. Why bother having them anymore?
    &&&&&&&&

    So voters have a false sense that they matter.

  201. meiyingsu Says:

    November 6th, 2008 at 10:51 am
    wbboei,

    AAs don’t care whether he deliever or not, they will come out in force to reelect him in four years.

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    I’m sorry to say this, but they might even elect OJ.

  202. Obama campaign workers angry over unpaid wages

    Jeremy Brilliant/Eyewitness News
    Indianapolis – Lines were long and tempers flared Wednesday not to vote but to get paid for canvassing for Barack Obama. Several hundred people are still waiting to get their pay for last-minute campaigning. Police were called to the Obama campaign office on North Meridian Street downtown to control the crowd.
    The line was long and the crowd was angry at times.
    “I want my money today! It’s my money. I want it right now!” yelled one former campaign worker.
    A former spokesman for the Obama campaign said 375 people were hired as part of the Vote Corps program and said people signed up to work three-hour shifts at a time. Three hours of canvassing got workers a $30 pre-paid Visa card.
    The workers showed up to get their cards Wednesday morning at 10:00 am.
    “There was a note on the door saying 1:00 pm and then at 1:20 pm everybody was like why is nobody here. They just got here and they’re trying to get it organized,” said Heather Richards, a former campaign worker.
    The large gathering of around 375 people prompted police to call in extra officers and set up temporary barricades. The barricades helped keep the crowd from spilling out onto Meridian Street. Police say the several hundred people in line were for the most part orderly.
    “No arrests.

    SNIP

    Eventually people did start getting paid, but some said they were missing hours and told to fill in paperwork making their claim and that eventually they would get a check in the mail.

    SNIP
    “It should have been $480. It’s $230,” said Imani Sankofa.
    “They gave us $10 an hour. So we added it. I added up all the hours so it was supposed to be at least $120. All I get is $90,” said Charles Martin.
    “I worked nine hours a day for 4 days and got paid half of what I should have earned,” said Randall Waldon.
    Some people weren’t satisfied with filling out a claim form for money they felt was still due to them.
    “They say that they gonna call you or they going to mail it to you, but I don’t know. We’ll see what happens,” said Antron Grose.
    *******************************************************

    LMAO!!! So these bots don’t really like obama’s higher taxes so he can spread the wealth around after all….they just learned how trust worthy obama’s word really is.

    http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=9299280

  203. I do think sarash Palin cost McCain some votes but I hate to see this kind of smear. if Mccain is a man he shall come out and defend Sarash Palin.

    Strains Between McCain and Palin Aides Go Public
    Report: Palin’s Wardrobe Is to Be Audited by GOP
    By KATE SNOW

    Now that the defeated team of Sen. John McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin have gone their separate ways, the knives are out and Palin is the one who is getting filleted.

    U.S Republican presidential nominee Senator John McCain (R-AZ) speaks to the crowd during his election night rally in Phoenix, on Tuesday. Joining McCain is U.S. Republican vice presidential nominee Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.
    Revelations from anonymous critics from within the McCain-Palin campaign suggest a number of complaints about the Alaskan governor:

    Fox News reports that Palin didn’t know Africa was a continent and did not know the member nations of the North American Free Trade Agreement — the United States, Mexico and Canada — when she was picked for vice president.

    abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=6196407&page=1

  204. We need something to do for grief relief:
    -someone come up with an email saying we are some higher up, maybe a premier or something and send it to Nigeria, scratch that Kenya to solicit money or help them retreive until now undiscovered money from what, an inheritance or something.
    -maybe a good thing to come out of the Poison Challis [oh, I really like that term] drinker will be a lesson on history, values, and critical thinking for the youth that nObama duped – it is scary to think that our children can be brought into any scheme, even that one, and the parents have no control over it, as reports were that the campaign was in constant contact with these young people who follow rock idols. And with today’s technology, it is double scary
    -under performed/overpromised, yeah that will be the greatest common denominator – the great equalizer
    -do we really believe that he will allow future elections, and if he does would they not be like the ones Fidel has?
    -one thousandth man for: Hillary, Sarah, McCain and Lieberman [he is toast after today, thanks to Pelosi and Reid]
    -dossiers on all those who trash Hillary or Sarah

  205. Djia, I read that article about Obama’s canvassers that weren’t paid. I had to chuckle because they probably have no clue that at the end of the tax season, they are going to get 1099’d on their wages.

  206. Fox News reports that Palin didn’t know Africa was a continent and did not know the member nations of the North American Free Trade Agreement — the United States, Mexico and Canada — when she was picked for vice president.

    BULLSHIT!!!!!

  207. I think we should email fox news and tell them we will not tune in, rather we will tune fox news out and boycott their advertisers products [no ratings & lost sales] if they keep up the bashing of Gov. Sara Palin

  208. Bring on the RNC The DNC and the Nation of Islam and do run them against Hillary next time and see your best plans to defeat her just melt away. This woman is some tough cookie and smarter than anyone can imagine and a genuine lady.Buyers remorse is now kicking for the country and it will start with his supporters when they hear the message by the Messiah that the “check is in the mail”.By hook or by crook he got what he wanted on tues and he does’nt give a rats ass because he knows that the country is dead broke and he is not going to be around to fill a campaign promise that was just bait for the trap.His hidden message is really “No Meat from the Elite”.

    By ABM90 Pardon my very sincere shady remark about the poor rodents he is going to disappoint.

  209. blue Says:
    November 6th, 2008 at 10:47 am

    What if he is like Bush? He starts governing and he is really rotten, his numbers start tumbling and we have a terrorist attack like 9/11 and he is a big hero and we have him for eight miserable years. People use their emotions and not their brains – what do you think?
    &&&&&&&&

    If he is El Stinko, as he most surely will be, yes, poll numbers will tumble. Hopefully the public won’t allow Idiot #2 a second term, the way they did with Idiot #1.

  210. BREAKING

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Congratulates Barack Obama– First Time an Iranian Leader Has Offered Good Wishes to a U.S. President-Elect Since Islamic Revolution

  211. rgb44hrc ,

    he will not govern from the left because he wants to get reelect. he is more important than anything else.

  212. “I do think sarash Palin cost McCain some votes but I hate to see this kind of smear. ”

    ———

    She’s the reason he got any votes from the Republican base. Don’t kid yourself. The reason that the media smear had to go into top gear to destroy her was because she was polling so strongly.

  213. This is just my opinion…JM run the weakest and worst GOP Presidential campaign of all time…JM has a lot of opportunities to win but he did not use them..I think I blame John Mccain period.

    Don’t blame it to Sarah….she is a rising star GOP establishment..

  214. wbboei Says:
    But the best way to take him down is to let him do it to himself. He has overpromised and will under deliver if he delievers at all.
    ======

    For latte tree-huggers againt BO, this stratgy is a win win. Push for our issues, raise expectations.

  215. I also feel that JM ran a weak campaign…he did not go head to head with BO on certain issue early on…and he used the Iraq war/surge “victory” too much!!!!

    But I also feel that Hillary did not go against BO early on…

    But ultimatley I think it was the BM that did it!!!!…their lack of full, fair reporting.

  216. wbboei 7.31 said:
    to confer on that canidate the mantle of legitimacy.
    =============

    But the bottleneck in all this is the media. Whatever the facts are, i

  217. I concur with mp….too much on IRAQ…JM weakness was in economy..

    I blame JM and his advisers…..I could not imagine what they were thinking….

  218. The major factor was the MSM, and their bias towards promoting BO. JM did not have a chance against that flood of negativity.

  219. magic007,

    I completely agree with you. when the whole country worried about the economic, all we can hear from him is “surge worked”. he never learn how to talk about economics and jobs. he should have picked mitt romney to assure people on ecomomic.

  220. I would have liked if JM had used the Iraq surge success as a BIG FIX neccessiated by Bush/Rumsfeld/Powell failures and blunders in 2003-2005…..

    yes the surge did work and was necessary to avoid catastrophic genocide but not to portray it as a WAR success!!!

  221. I concur with you both, meiyingsu and mp, i think we are on the same boat….

    BHO was far more organized than JM…I think the GOP let the BHO won the election, so they can get away from bush problems….

  222. magic007,

    I don’t think GOP want BHO win. they unestimate BHO. they thought the radical association can bring down BHO but it didn’t.

    I don’t understand because kind of association would bring down anybody but not BHO.

  223. Has anyone heard what happened in the Lieberman-goes-to-the-woodshed meeting in Pelosi’s office?

    Somewhere, I also heard Hillary was called on to attend some kind of hosing as well.

    What I want to know is, what is the House speaker doing messing with Senators anyway?

    ————————————-
    Next

    Besides the millions of disappointed people like Peggy Joseph who are expecting checks in the mail, don’t forget the millions of Africans who have high expectations as well.

    And if I had the time to waste, I’d be monitering Markos’ rantings (I refuse to call his vomiting “posts” or “writing”) at Kos as he and his O-bots finally get the idea that the great earthquake shift to the Left is not going to happen.

    Will be interesting to watch Politico turn on the annoited one as well.

  224. The best way to cope with The Great Barack McGinty is to just sit back and watch him self destruct.His desire for unlimited power coupled with a propensity to blame eveyone else will ultimately
    expose his unfitness to be the CIC.
    As far as Sarah,shes i cute smart hard working mother of five and was used by John McCain to plug the weak spots in the dam of his campaign.She is a great entertainer but not ready for the top rung of the Presidency .

    ” We Could have had Hillary who has the best credentials for the job. Notice how many republicans are opting out to avoid the Tues night massacre that took place and the bottom is dropping out of our country’s economy and labor market.They hear the exterminator coming and the rodents are restless.

    By ABM90 Hill and Bill I love you both and we need you now more than ever.

  225. shenanigans Says:

    November 6th, 2008 at 11:20 am
    Djia, I read that article about Obama’s canvassers that weren’t paid. I had to chuckle because they probably have no clue that at the end of the tax season, they are going to get 1099′d on their wages.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    I could just imagine…

    From theObama campaign:

    “Dear canvassers. We greatly appreciate you helping us to create the single greatest defining moment in World History. Making good on our promise to pay you for your hard efforts would result in a drain on the Re-elect Obama Campaign fund. You do recall that I spoke repeatedly about sharing the wealth? Maybe I could have been clearer about what direction it would be shared in, and by whom.

    In lieu of U.S. dollars, you have been issued TEN TIMES that value in Obamadollars. Obamadollars can be used to buy cool gear on-line such as Obama T-shirts, Obama mugs, etc. Or they can be converted to US dollars at a ratio 100 Obamadollars per US $1.00. Or they can be put into garbage cans and lit, to keep warm in winter.

    Again, our greatest appreciation goes out to you for your efforts in creating the single greatest defining moment in World History.

    Yours humbly,
    B. Obama

  226. rgb44hrc Says:

    November 6th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    ————————————————————

    That is funny. Obamadollars for Obama gear. Worthless, as the U.S. dollar is becoming.

    ABM: I agree with your assessment.

  227. djia

    Three feet of snow in the Black Hills and near Vermillion (spelling?) !!

    Are you ok?

    Come home to Iowa…hehehe.

  228. Obama is going to make good on his promise to bring change to Washington. The first thing he’ll do is creaete a cabinet-level post, the Secretary to Re-elect Obama in 2012. Next, the National Guard will be used to build Obama 2012 Re-election headquarters in every town. A side benefit is that this “infrastructure” expenditure will help bring jobs everywhere.

    And of course, after January 20th, will be the Kim Jong Il edict, that it is “highly recommended” that pictures of our Beloved Leader be displayed in every home, otherwise, it would be considered an affront to the legacy Martin Luther King Jr. left. And there will be spot checks. This too will create jobs for spot-checkers.

  229. What is the news on Lieberman and Hillary after they got out from behind the woodshed?

    That puke on O’Reilly by Carl Cameron should never be aired, now it is on with Megyn and others, and Carl Cameron seemed so gleeful…almost giddy that he could now report trash.

    What are a couple of good questions for us all to email carl cameron, then email them to greta, o’reilly, hannity, and lou the questions for Carl Cameron to ask.

  230. magic007 and all those who feel McCain ran the weakest campaign ever.

    I’m going to graciously disagree with all of you. First off, he came from behind when everyone had written him off in the primaries. Secondly, and this is a big one…GEORGE BUSH! With a huge albatross like that around your neck and one who’s ratings was in the dumps, I doubt whatever McCain did would have worked. Choosing Palin was a mixed bag that turned out to be gold. It could have gone either way (and this is not a snub at her) but luckily she caught on with many people.

    Finally, McCain fought a good fight despite some mistakes along the way. The thing is, he did very well in spite of ending up as the loser in this race. And maybe most important of all, Obama himself, his handlers, his wife, his associations et al made HUGE mistakes that should have felled in right in the primaries. We all know why that didn’t happen. I’m simply thinking that like Hillary, McCain was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t!

  231. would like to apologize for my anti-hillary rant yesterday.
    this is a pro-clinton site and I nursing one of the worst hangovers of my career(no excuse) vented without regard or concern for those that work and worked tirelessly to elect the Senator. I hold many of you in high regard. Your tenacity, intelligence and humor were a gift to me over the last year. I was dreadfully wrong in articulating my thoughts as I did. Anyhow thankyou all for the wonderful company. And please don’t judge me to harshly. It was because I cared so much that I reacted to the reality inappropriately.
    And if anyone needs a laugh please check out the onions bit on Bots with nothing to do.
    One more time a great big thankyou especially to admin as I have learned quite a bit. Doubt I will ever go out of my way to support a candidate again or even vote. Every war has its casualties.

  232. Just saw the snow white pooch that BHO bought for his family.
    He has upheld a tradition of the owning a first pet. I get the message loud and clear.

    By ABM90 I hope the pet has been vetted

  233. Do not worry people. Obama will fix everything. It may take 2 years or maybe 4 years but he will fix it. Why it may take 6 to 8 years but I bet he has every problem solved. Heck it may even take 10 or 12 years, but Obama is the guy for the job. Im sure we can change the rules and give him extra terms if he needs them to fix all of the worlds problem. Idiots of obama
    ++++++++++++++++
    So to sum up his own words, Obama is going to sit on his A $$ for 4 years possibly 8 and be “present” lol!!!!
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    Obama campaign workers are angry about unpaid wages. The ones that did get paid feel cheated because they were paid half of what they earned.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRGfMXz3g20
    Is this a foreshadow of the welfare lines when Obama realizes there isn’t enough wealth to spread around?
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    RED!!! I’m from PA. If you look at the PA map, the only part of PA that voted for Obama was near Philly and a small pocket near Pittsburgh. The rest of the state was RED!! (So, how in the world did Obama win Pennsylvania?)
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    You bums might as well forget that palin broad. After Obama’s two terms in office, Michelle is taking office. The Obama’s will be President for the next SIXTEEN YEARS !!!!
    I kept telling you losers that you had no idea what you are up against

    YIKES!!!!!! BE AFRAID, VERY AFRAID!!!!!!!

  234. JanH, I concur with your assessment of John McCain’s campaign. He may not have known of what thievery, thuggery and fraud that Obama could throw out; and he was too good of a person to use Wright and such – which he should have. But then we all know this from fighting for Hillary against the fraud for so long. There were many reasons McPalin lost: fraudulent voters, ACORN, the Chicago machinery, his ground game was not as strong as it should have been but I don’t know if he knew that, and it was FIXED fromt he very beginning. Remember how we would all get all upset when he PRESUMED to be the President…I know now that he KNEW something we had no way of knowing, just like with his overthrow of Hillary.
    I talked to my husband this morning about the timing of the crash, and he said it came about because of the mortgage frauds/collapse, and that the timing was what it was.
    I went to rallies for Sarah Palin, she drew tremendous crowds…..she energized the McCain campaign and people, even those not Democrat loved her, and still do – she was not an obstacle for McCain.
    The straw that broke the camel’s was when I learned that, what 10 million, Republicans stayed home and did not vote. It was like they did not want to win, but nobody told John McCain because he came close considering the circumstances. Someone on here used the phrase ‘running to be elected for the Poison Challis’ and no one wanted it….maybe he will implode, but I think he and those he surrounds himself with will not allow us to have freedom ever again, and I seriously doubt there will ever be a free election….think about it….was 2000 or 2004 or 2008?
    Now all the other things I think I can live with given enough time, but the Republicans not voting for him is unforgivable. John McCain is a good man, a patriot, he loves this country. Hillary and Sarah endured so much. Now, they say it is Romney’s people who are sliming Sarah Palin. ENOUGH. Off with their heads!
    Whatever came of Lieberman and Hillary at the woodshed?

  235. # Emjay Says:
    November 6th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    djia

    Three feet of snow in the Black Hills and near Vermillion (spelling?) !!

    Are you ok?

    Come home to Iowa…hehehe.
    *************************

    we haven’t even had any rain much less snow here where i am, we expect MAYBE a total of 3″ tonight and tomorrow (sioux falls)
    I am 6 hours away from the hills ….way down in the southern most tip of SD so i doubt we will see what they are getting out there…heard it was coming down at the rate of 3″ an hour!!! with high winds to boot…….i am sure they are snowed in for a few days 🙁

    We’re used to all of that, we grew up in Minnesota…..dontchyaknow!! You betchya! LOL

    my pantry is stocked, gas cans filled, alternative heaters ready and the snowmobile is ready 😀
    but i am not finished getting all my winter hay in yet!! but that will be completed this weekend just in time for the winter months 😀

  236. Joe Scarborough calls out Chris Matthews

    dancingfromgenesis.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/rahm-emanel-controversy-barack-obamas-accolyte-msnbcs-chris-matthews-says-my-job-is-to-make-barack-h-obamas-presidency-a-success-will-rahm-emanuel-turndown-reject-chief-of-staff-role-positi/

    Chris Matthews, in not wanting to discuss this issue, saying “my job is to make this presidency a success,” once again reveals his extreme left wing political bent, and Joe Scarborough called him out on it, saying that their job is to report the news and analyze it, not to be blatant propaganda arms of the Democrat party, and then, Chris bowed his head in shame, and they went to a commercial break; it was a very short appearance for Chris, no doubt cut short by his monumental gaffe.

  237. John Boehner, House Rep Leader is resigning from his leadership post.

    Robert Gibbs will be White House spokesperson- no surprise there. He is always w/ BO and is the go-to guy for press and campaign workers…even important Republicans had to go thru Gibbs.

  238. Guess Obama wants to reinstate the draft.

    thatsmeontheleft.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-military-service-is-obligation.html

    Wednesday, October 22, 2008

    Obama: Military Service Is An Obligation

    Part I
    Was Biden Talking About a Draft?

    Part II
    National service forum at Columbia University
    Obama calls for US military mobilization

  239. The bad news is we are going broke. The good news is there will be no money for mommie and daddie to pay for the college education of the bots. This is called the Barack drop shot heard in financial markets around the world. Hope, change and depression. Meanwhile big media tries to tell us a rose is not a rose.

    It would appear that investors do not like big tax increases and big spending increases to relieve poverty particulary when the poverty barack will bring in will be here at home, due to his benighted policies. Nor are they too keen on this spreading the wealth nonsense. Voters however loved it because they mistakenly assumed that the wealth he intends to spead is someone elses.

    Well, trust me the joke will soon be on them. But the worst of it will be the cruel and unusual punishment of listening to his lofty speeched pure ambrosia to the ears as your wallet gets picked.
    The betting has now started to determine how long after he takes office marshall law is declared. Biden is holding the betting money.

    Andy Martin is in hawaii and evidently there is another birth certificate which contradicts the two fraudulent ones and his oral testimony that he was born in hospitals. This one says home birth which confirms prior suspicion that he was not born in this country. Given enough time I am sure he will prolduce another certificate proving conclusively that he was not born at all.

    Just tell me one thing before everthing goes to hell. Who are the dark movers behind the scene to borrow of phrase from Lord Chief Justice Erskine and what are their goals in installing this puppet, while big media promades and dosey does around him to the rousing notes of good night ladies the final song of the night. It worse than you think–newsmax is now pitching reverse mortages better act quickly.

    On a serious note, the second thing my broker told me after he said I am broke was his phone is off the hook and the mr magoo investor set is asking what was I thinking when I voted for barack, do you think he is the cause of this. My broker assured them that he was not sure but usually (like 100 times out of 100) markets do now respond favorabley to high taxes, and protectionism.

    He also agreed with what I told you before namely that mccain did not run a good campaign. That was the problem. Hillary. She is the solution. I am still ignoring her for my own peace of mind, but when we get past this giddy delusional nonsense and problemsolving starts she will be at the forefront.

    I will be back to you with the serious stuff later. The native american prophesies. This lady is like Hillary smart so I listen intently and write slowly.

  240. contributors.blogsome.com/2008/11/06/let-all-hop-aboard-the-crazy-train/
    The Underground 2012 Resistance Movement to Obama

    Dr. Manning

    LOL

    Well he never gives up.

  241. wbboei Says:
    November 6th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    The bad news is we are going broke. The good news is there will be no money for mommie and daddie to pay for the college education of the bots.
    ————————
    They can all join the military because Obama will institute a draft.

  242. Basil, You have some very good points there. I’ll never believe the numbers weren’t skewed in some of the states, especially PA, FL, and a few others.

    Take WV for example. Right after he said he’ll bankrupt the coal industry, WV turns around and votes for him? This whole thing was so thoroughly planned from the beginning.

    I kept hoping Rezko would talk, but then I realized that he figured Obama would be getting into the White House and would probably be pardoned. Why else would he not implicate bambi? I don’t think anyone would willingly go down if they could cop a
    plea. The Chicago thugs will be running this country for sure.

  243. Listened to a 2 hour “Talk of the World” program that was today’s “Talk of the Nation NPR Substitute:

    Maybe 20-30 citizens from EVERYWHERE
    called in about how they see the US election, plus there were about 20 world leaders including Bishop Tutu, Anan Alshwre (Palestine legislator), an Iraqi minister, EU officials, Presidente’ Fox, a Chinese official, a foreign minister from Saudi Arabia, India, Israel, Canada and on and on.

    The expectations already on BO’s plate are mind boggling…and doesn’t even count the ones I mentioned above from Move On, Kos and associated bots, African countries and citizens, the AA community, the Dem congress and garden variety Dems and liberals.

    He’ll need Rahm’s knee-capping skills to keep order just w/in the WH, the Capitol and up and down K Street.

  244. John Boehner, House Rep Leader is resigning from his leadership post.
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    The beginning of obama blackmail? Just guessing.

  245. Is Pelosi taking Universal Healthcare off the table

    Pelosi dials down expectations on Universal Health Care … link

    Not a surprise to anyone who knows our fiscal situation- the dirty little secret is that we’re only able to do as much as a nation as foreign bond purchasers will allow. Still, Pelosi didn’t even give us a day to dream.

    firstread.msnbc.msn.com /

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is seeking to limit expectations on what a new Democratic regime will be able to achieve in the 111th Congress.

    “We have to choose our priorities” and decide “what is achievable,” Pelosi told reporters this morning, adding: “A lot of it is about time.” She saied that the current economic conditions and budget deficit “are going to make it harder” to do some big things dear to Democrats, like comprehensive health care reform, but said that smaller, “discrete,” initiatives, i.e. SCHIP and stem cell funding, could be done quickly.

  246. The expectations already on BO’s plate are mind boggling…and doesn’t even count the ones I mentioned above from Move On, Kos and associated bots, African countries and citizens, the AA community, the Dem congress and garden variety Dems and liberals.
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    A promise made
    Is a debt unpaid
    And the trail has
    Its own stern code

    Tales of the Yukon by Robert Service

  247. Not a surprise to anyone who knows our fiscal situation- the dirty little secret is that we’re only able to do as much as a nation as foreign bond purchasers will allow
    —————————————-
    Thank you. Could these be the dark movers behind the scenes? Is Barack destined to become our trustee in bankrupcty? Will he sell off the public lands to wealthy Chinese? Do not put it past him. Since the press no longer tells us the truth we need to find it elsewhere. Barack will soon find that the Presidency is the hotest seat in the universe, he will squirm when he finds you must keep your cell phone on when you go on vacation. Is it too soon to resign?

  248. pm: god bless you for knowing that. I was cheating you know. It was in a book by that name but could not remember which poem. Thank you. From failing memory it comes back to me now:

    There are strange things done
    In the midnight sun
    By the men who moil for gold

    The Arctic trails
    Have their secret tales
    That would make your blood run cold

    The Northern lights
    Have seen strange sights
    But the strangest they ever did see . . .

    Was the 2008 primary and general election. More voter suppression, fraud, illegal contributions, big media betrayal of trust than all prior elections combined=no mandate.

  249. WBBOEI!!!!

    LMAO!!!!!
    Diet ginger ale on the keyboard! (D2MN but that’s gonna be huard to wipe off)

    ‘Given enough time I am sure he will prolduce another certificate proving conclusively that he was not born at all.’

  250. WBBOEI!!!!

    LMAO!!!!!
    Diet ginger ale on the keyboard! (D2MN but that’s gonna be huard to wipe off)

    ‘Given enough time I am sure he will prolduce another certificate proving conclusively that he was not born at all.’

  251. My bad- it isn’t John Boehner leaving, It is Ray Blunt. When asked about the rumor, the Rep minority leader said he is “staying put.”

  252. i for one as a gay man could care less about the gov’ts validating any union I might choose. none of thier business. I take serious umbrage that as a taspayer I would pay an inheritence tas/gift tax that straight couples do not pay. Your can be married for 10 seconds and your spouse dies. You get it all. Two homosexuals spend thier lives together and the survivor pays 50%???

  253. basil9

    Try that heavy duty saran wrap stuff that sticks to itself and also stretchs for a good fit. It is the perfect size for keyboards.

    A Big Pinker recommended it over a year ago when we spit and spilled all manner of drinks and half-chewed food around here.

  254. wbboei
    my apology issued upthread goes double for you and Idunn
    ———————————-
    I appreciate you Henry. I have been drinking Hemlock so I have a hangover myself. It may last as long as four years but I hope it subsides earlier.

    Maybe it is just me but the is to promise something and then not deliver. But it sounds like Obama will have to tell all the little bots sitting around the Christma tree waiting for a vistor down hte chimney that there is no santa clause. Since he cannot blame that one on Hillary he will have to blame it on Bush and the Republicans. Before long the retort will be you knew that before you promised us the sun the moon and the stars and yet you promised it anyway, and we voted for you because we trusted you ane we now know you are just like all the rest. When he flips them the bird they will not go down well.

  255. Sticky keys?
    I once sprayed my keyboard with window cleaner and left it upside down overnight. Still keeping it upside down I gave it a thorough wiping,
    no probs after that.

  256. What scares me bout bambi and the democratic cabal. Is that anything whih might serve as his undoing can be passed off to niche groups in the senate. He will take the praise but never the blame for anything. I am very comfortable with selling what little I had yesterday. My own mother called me a traitor but sorry I do not know nor will I ever support this man. My tiny bit in stocks is the only vote I have cast that anyone seems to acknowledge.

  257. There is also one thing I would like to say about Hillary Clinton. Many feel that she was responsible for McCain losing. I know Hillary is amazing, but I doubt very much that her campaigning for Obama made that huge a difference. As ShortTermer stated above, the fix was in, the dirty deeds piled up, it was a done deal no matter what.

    It broke my heart to see Hillary work for that man, but I honestly don’t know what went on behind the scenes or what led up to it, so until I know all the facts, I am not going to start playing the blame game.

  258. Gov Matt Blunt, son of Minority Whip or some such in the US House of Representatives, Roy Blunt, is the one who protested the development of “truth squads” or whatever they were called…you remember the legal authorities…sherrif, prosecutors, etc who were going to supposedly bring charges in Missouri against anyone putting out “UNTRUE” info about BO. Gov Matt Blunt was not happy!

    Matt Blunt did not run for re-election. Democrat Jay Nixon will be the next governor of Missouri. He is an Obama supporter.

  259. Let’s count them:
    1 John McCain who would have had the help of Liebeman and Graham
    2 Sarah Palin who braved through the storm even with only days to prepare; she should be in the future for the GOP, McCain, Lieberman, Graham and others should mentor her and let her shadow them
    3 Hillary Clinton, the most well qualified of them all; and with a heart to match that of John McCain, and who lOVES this country soooo much, and yet she and John McCain were jilted at the altar by a bamboozler, an okie dokier, a fraud, and an unamerican person who does not love anything but himself – oh, he loves Michelle, but she better hope he does not get around too many interns for we saw the results with the reporters on the plane and Obama showing off his ‘package.’

    Instead of three real patriots who love our country and have its best interest in mind, we got the Messiah and Messhiahess.NO. NO NO. Not God damn America, GOD BLESS AMERICA! God save our nation and all all the little ones that had no hand in any of this.

  260. Marie

    Thanks for the reminder above – meant to post this yesterday:
    ………………………………………..

    The mainstream media types, such as Charlie Rose, Tom Brokaw, John Meacham, and Evan Thomas, are now saying they really don’t know much about Barack Hussein Obama.

    They say they don’t know whom he admires, what his worldview is, and what books he finds personally and professionally instructive, claiming they really don’t know much at all about him from the decades before his rise to national prominence.

    Well where have they been? Do you really think they were not aware of the content in Jerome Corsi’s bestseller, The Obama Nation, nor of the hundreds of thousands of articles on the internet about B. Hussein?

    They are lying that they didn’t know, and if they weren’t lying, then they are dumber than hedgeposts, and therefore, should not be in the reporting business.

    They have indicted themselves for professional incompetence at best, but we all know they knew all along, but now, are left looking like fools, mere pawns of the Democrat party.

    Evan Thomas, reporter for Newsweek, says that Obama’s is a “creepy cult of personality,” and John Meacham, editor of that rag, says he knows almost nothing about Obama, saying that he really doesn’t know what to expect from Obama, because he says he doesn’t know what motivates Obama, proving once again that Newsweek is a schill for the left.

    But maybe we can forgive the old guy Brokaw, as perhaps he doesn’t know how to surf the web, ha ha.

    If (but probably when) Obama begins to initiate scary legislation and military policy, these mainstream media stooges will claim once again that they didn’t know, foreshadowing their approach if (but probably when) Obama begins to act like one of his heros, Saul Alinsky, a famous communist.

    But they can’t say they didn’t know that, because they have talked about Alinsky already on the Meacham, Rose, Thomas interview last night, saying that Obama’s mode of Alinsky radicalism will be a kinder and gentler form of it.

    That proves that they did in fact know about his past and what books he sees as instructive, perhaps paramount among them all, Rules for Radicals, by Saul Alinsky.

    ref: Charlie Rose show, 11-5-08.

    from DancingfromGenesis.wordpress.com

  261. Chris Matthews, in not wanting to discuss this issue, saying “my job is to make this presidency a success,” once again reveals his extreme left wing political bent, and Joe Scarborough called him out on it, saying that their job is to report the news and analyze it, not to be blatant propaganda arms of the Democrat party, and then, Chris bowed his head in shame, and they went to a commercial break; it was a very short appearance for Chris, no doubt cut short by his monumental gaffe.
    —————————————————————-
    ADMIN: IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET A VIDEO OF THIS SMOKING GUN STATEMENT. MATTHEWS IS SUCH A MOTOR MOUTH THAT HIS MOUTH IS ALWAYS OUTRUNNING HIS BRAIN. THIS ONE HOWEVER IS THE MOST DAMAGING ADMISSION EVER BY A BIG MEDIA JOUNALIST. IT NEEDS TO BE PERSERVED FOR THE RECORD. IT IS EXHIBIT 1 IN THE CASE AGAINST BIT MEDIA. LEAVE IT TO MATTHEWS TO CALL THE GAME ON HIS EMPLOYER, CNN AND HIMSELF.

    WE NEED TO GET THIS ON UTUBE. ANYONE KNOW HOW. MATTHEWS WOULD MAKE A GREAT TROPHY OVER THE FIREPLACE OF A HUNTING LODGE IF YOU COULD STAND TO LOOK AT HIM. CAUSE OF DEATH: MULTIPLE SELF INFLICTED WOUNDS. I AM SERIOUS.

  262. I haven’t read the posts since my last one and someone has probably corrected me by now, but I made a mistake about WV going blue. I don’t know why I had it in my head that they went for bambi, and I just couldn’t understand how they could have, but now I know they didn’t, lol.

  263. Another thing, I think we need to bring down big media somehow. I’m all for doing that. They can’t be left to run the elections the way they have and can’t be allowed to trash certain candidates the way they have and are still doing.

    If anyone has an idea of what we can do, count me in.

  264. who is ray blunt? is this a bad thing?
    ———————————————————
    If he steps down that is too bad. I think he is effective. I believe he is minority whip. Years ago he was on the opposite side of a buy-out transaction which was before congress because of foreign ownership of an airline issues. His son was a lobbyist for UPS and FEDEX. It got a little messy but we got around him and got the deal approved. It was one of those cases of never wish for anything too much because you may have the misfortune of getting it.

  265. Britt Hume giving NPR interview re his announced retirement from FOX, a network he helped launch.

    Says Fox is a reflection of the poison in Washington, not a cause…urging an investigation of ACORN has caused blowback on him this season, and basically he wants out.

    Will do parttime stuff for them though.

  266. The mainstream media types, such as Charlie Rose, Tom Brokaw, John Meacham, and Evan Thomas, are now saying they really don’t know much about Barack Hussein Obama.
    ————————————————————
    These people have made their faustian pact. Now they get to live with it. They are 100% responsible for foisting him on this country and are jointly and severally liable for the disasters which ensue. Let their names be forever linked to his. There is no backing away from this one.

  267. Says Fox is a reflection of the poison in Washington, not a cause…urging an investigation of ACORN has caused blowback on him this season, and basically he wants out.
    ———————————————————-
    Wow! I used to like him alot from the days he was with Jack Anderson. The sons death was a tragedy for sure. I thought he had swallowed the koolaid. Evidently not. I wish he told us what the poison is–chapter and verse. It needs to get out there.

  268. bluegirl

    First and foremost, boycott them. Every once in a while drop them an email telling them you are a boycotter, and why you are doing it.

    Tell just one peson a week what you are doing and provide them with a copy of your protest email. Tell that person how easy it is and ask that they recruit just one person a week. Meanwhile you do your weekly thing also. Don’t make it a big deal, just a steady one.

    About once a month, send a little note to one of the advertisers, and your local TV/radio station or cable company. Be aware, the cable co. may check if you are using that channel, so follow thru.

    Some people here have given up first cable, then TV altogether. I am down to PBS and NPR. And SAVE $39.99 every month, which goes into my liquor cabinet and cheese drawer.

    I recommend this approach for sexist and mysoginistic payback as well.

  269. terry germany (kurtzhaar) wrote:

    grumpy and righty,
    trent lott gets drummed out of the senate leadership role for an offhand comment made at a birthday party but obama gets elceted to the presidency because according to the same msm his personal relationships with wright, ayers, dorn, kalidi, resko, and writting in his own book that he “surrounds himself with socialists” is irrelevant and “witout basis”?
    despite what mr weaver believes, mccain lost because he is just not the “leader” we were looking for. despite my conservative roots, i was not able to get behind his ????? direction. regardless of what my friends on the left may have thought, i was unable to reconcile his scattered thoughts and actions with what i consider presidential ability.

    i am now being cautiously optomistic that barack obama will lead the country in the direction he has stated in the last few months of the campaign as opposed to he has taken up to this point in his carrer.

  270. Has anyone heard what happened in the Lieberman-goes-to-the-woodshed meeting in Pelosi’s office?

    Somewhere, I also heard Hillary was called on to attend some kind of hosing as well.

    What I want to know is, what is the House speaker doing messing with Senators anyway?
    ————————————————————–
    poopsie is dnc. lieberman is independent is he not. if so she has no leverage over him. poopsie is not going to hose Hillary unless she wants to get smacked down and have the enbalming fluid leak out of her ears. This is a bullshit rumor if you ask me.

  271. Re Britt Hume

    Expect a book- I’ll betcha.

    What happened to his son?
    ————————————–
    I think it was a drug od, but not positive.

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