Bill – The Bomber

Joe – The Plumber is getting trashed by Barack Obama himself as well as Barack Obama’s Chicago thugs and the ally thugs on Big Blogs. John McCain must defend Joe – The Plumber against thug Obama and his hired thugs and thug allies.

John McCain must utilize the Obama thug attacks which speak to Obama’s character.

The Joe – The Plumber timeline is short and simple. Joe – The Plumber was at home when Obama came to his neighborhood to bamboozle voters. Joe – The Plumber, a citizen asked candidate Obama a question. The question had to do with Joe – The Plumber’s aspirations to one day own a business. Joe – The Plumber asked Obama how Obama’s tax plans would affect Joe – The Plumber’s dream.

Obama responded with an answer about “sharing the wealth” which has gotten Obama into a lot of trouble. Obama therefore is trashing Joe – The Plumber. Obama’s running mate Joe – The Banker’s Biden, also trashed Joe – The Plumber.

John McCain must not run away from this educational moment. John McCain must defend Joe – The Plumber, who is not running for president, from Big Media, Big Blog and Obama thug attacks.

Typical thuggery from Obama in all his campaigns is to dig up dirt such as sex stories and divorce papers of opponents. Obama and his thugs are now digging through Joe – The Plumber’s divorce papers and through his life looking for dirt. John McCain should speak about this typically dirty method of trashing opponents which Obama always employs (all the while pretending he runs a clean campaign). McCain should read just some of our earlier articles on Obama’s Dirty Mud Politics.

Big Media is helping Obama trash an ordinary citizen who simply asked thug Obama a question on taxes. Big Media is investigating like Scotland Yard whether Joe – The Plumber is really a plumber, whether he is licensed, whether his name is really “Joe” or if “Joe” is really a middle name, and yelling that John McCain did not vet Joe – The Plumber.

Joe – The Plumber is an ordinary citizen, not running for president – but Joe – The Plumber is getting vetted by Big Media and Big Blogs more than Barack Obama has ever been vetted.

Joe – The Plumber is an ordinary citizen, not running for president – but Joe – The Plumber is getting vetted by Big Media and Big Blogs more than Barack Obama friends have ever been vetted.

Joe – The Plumber is an ordinary citizen, not running for president – but Joe – The Plumber is getting vetted by Big Media and Big Blogs more than Bill – The Bomber Ayres has ever been vetted.

As we have written Joe – The Plumber is an opportunity for John McCain. John McCain must defend Joe – The Plumber and use this opportunity to ask why Obama has not been vetted with the same vigor. John McCain must defend Joe – The Plumber and use this opportunity to ask why Bill – The Bomber has not been vetted with the same vigor.

One reason why Joe – The Plumber is getting trashed by PINO Big Blogs, and other assorted fake “progressives” is that Joe – The Plumber is to them “white trash” – just another white working class Joe PINOs have contempt for. One reason why Bill – The Bomber is not getting vetted or examined by PINO Big Blogs and other assorted fake “progressives” nor by Big Media is because Bill – The Bomber is one of them – a rich white boy.

The legendary Mike Royko, who wrote for a big Chicago paper but was never of Big Media, wrote about Bill – The Bomber in 1990.

I just finished wading through a long story about a former flaming radical leader named Bill Ayers.

His name won’t mean anything unless you were around in the 1970s, when a group called the Weathermen decided that America was corrupt and immoral and they would have to overthrow it.

They were disappointed, however, when the majority of Americans decided that they didn’t want to take part in a revolution led by a bunch of well-educated young twits from wealthy suburban families.

So the Weathermen had their big revolutionary moment when they got together in Lincoln Park, chanted a lot of mindless slogans, then ran down Clark Street smashing the windows of cars and shops.

Their revolution ran out of steam, and they scattered when they got to a few platoons of cops who were prepared to crack their hairy heads.

They showed up in the Loop the next day, broke some more windows, provided some entertaining TV footage, then dashed off to safety.

This became known in the press as “The Days of Rage,” although I preferred to think of it as the “The Big Foot Stamping Tantrum.”

Anyway, the Weathermen went “underground,” as they liked to put it for dramatic effect. Some later blew themselves up while trying to build a bomb. Apparently they had dozed through their college chemistry classes. A couple of others became robbers, but most universities don’t teach bank heists, or even remedial heisting, so they didn’t have much of a flair for it and wound up in prison.

The others sort of faded away. Some remained “underground” for many years, assuming false names and working in low-profile jobs. They were able to avoid detection because nobody really looked for them or gave a hoot about what they were up to.

That can be embarrassing for a revolutionary. Where’s the fun in being a dangerous radical if more than 200 million people ignore you?

So in the 1980s, they began drifting out of the “underground” and gave themselves up. The problem was finding someone to give themselves up to. The authorities figured that prosecuting them wasn’t worth the bother.

With all forgiven, they’ve rejoined society. Some have even used their prominent family connections – clout they once condemned as evil – to land better jobs than the mopes they hoped to lead to revolution have been able to land.

And one of those who has now become a useful citizen is Bill Ayers, now 45, a parent and an assistant professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. You may have read all about him in a recent issue of the weekly Reader.

I read the piece because I was curious. Back when he was a young radical, I thought he was kind of a jerk. I wanted to see if there was reason to change this opinion. But, no, I still think he’s a jerk.

As the story noted, he was wearing a T-shirt that read: “America is like a melting pot: the people at the bottom get burned and the scum floats to the top.”

That confirms something I’ve always believed about people like Ayers and his fellow well-born, well-bred suburban revolutionaries. Despite all their fine talk about helping the down-trodden, they had nothing but contempt for those at the bottom. They assumed that those who were born poor couldn’t achieve anything without the leadership and teachings of bright people such as Bill Ayers. So it stands to reason, as the T-shirt implies, that those who managed to accomplish something without Ayers’ help must have used sneaky, low-down methods. Thus, they are “scum.”

Ayers still doesn’t understand. A person doesn’t have to have had a father who was head of one of Illinois’ biggest corporations, as Ayers did. There are all sorts of success stories (they’ve become commonplace) of those who started at the bottom and floated to the top – without becoming scummy along the way.

His dumb T-shirt aside, though, there’s something else that struck me about the Ayers story. In fairness to him, he’s now working for a good cause, improving public education. He’s become a leader in the so-called school reform program. (However, he does send his own kids to private schools. No sense in letting your own offspring get scorched at the bottom of that melting pot.)

But what struck me most about the story was that there was nothing in there about the Persian Gulf. Nothing about Ayers revving up his old anti-war sentiments, now that there are a few hundred thousand American youths in the Mideast desert. Not one word about our being on the brink of a questionable war from someone who made Vietnam protest the reason for his existence. And for having a whoopee time breaking other people’s windows.

Then again, I shouldn’t be surprised. His kids are too young to go, and he’s too old. And it’s been years since he burned his draft card, so he can’t even do that again. Besides, there’s no draft, so why bother?

Maybe he ought to get a new T-shirt. Something that says: “All Volunteer Army. Why Get Excited?”

[In answer to Eric Zorn:] Few cared about Bill – The Bomber in 1990 because he was not a pal then to a potential president. In defense of Bill – The Bomber’s T-shirt: occasionally scum does rise to the top, even the top of a great political party.

John McCain has a teaching opportunity (especially for the voters of Pennsylvania and Ohio) given to him by Obama – The Thug, and Joe – The Plumber, and Bill – The Bomber.

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  1. posted this at the end of last thread thought i would bring it here too

    October 17, 2008
    Who’s Playing the Race Card?
    By Charles Krauthammer
    WASHINGTON — Let me get this straight. A couple of agitated yahoos in a rally of thousands yell something offensive and incendiary, and John McCain and Sarah Palin are not just guilty by association — with total strangers, mind you — but worse: guilty according to The New York Times of “race-baiting and xenophobia.”
    But should you bring up Barack Obama’s real associations — 20 years with Jeremiah Wright, working on two foundations and distributing money with William Ayers, citing the raving Michael Pfleger as one who helps him keep his moral compass (Chicago Sun-Times, April 2004) and the long-standing relationship with the left-wing vote-fraud specialist ACORN — you have crossed the line into illegitimate guilt by association. Moreover, it is tinged with racism.
    The fact that, when John McCain actually heard one of those nasty things said about Obama, he incurred the boos of his own crowd by insisting that Obama is “a decent person that you do not have to be scared (of) as president” makes no difference. It surely did not stop John Lewis from comparing McCain to George Wallace.

    The search for McCain’s racial offenses is untiring and often unhinged. Remember McCain’s Berlin/celebrity ad that showed a shot of Paris Hilton? An appalling attempt to exploit white hostility at the idea of black men “becoming sexually involved with white women,” fulminated New York Times columnist Bob Herbert. He took to TV to denounce McCain’s exhumation of that most vile prejudice, pointing out McCain’s gratuitous insertion in the ad of “two phallic symbols,” the Washington Monument and the Leaning Tower of Pisa.
    Except that Herbert was entirely delusional. There was no Washington Monument. There was no Leaning Tower. Just photographs seen in every newspaper in the world of Barack Obama’s Berlin rally in the setting he himself had chosen, Berlin’s Victory Column.
    Herbert is not the only fevered one. On Tuesday night, Rachel Maddow of MSNBC and Jonathan Alter of Newsweek fell over themselves agreeing that the “political salience” of the Republican attack on ACORN is, yes, its unstated appeal to racial prejudice.
    This about an organization that is being accused of voter registration fraud in about a dozen states. In Nevada, the investigating secretary of state is a Democrat. Is he playing the race card too?
    What makes the charges against McCain especially revolting is that he has been scrupulous in eschewing the race card. He has gone far beyond what is right and necessary, refusing even to make an issue of Obama’s deep, self-declared connection with the race-baiting Jeremiah Wright.
    In the name of racial rectitude, McCain has denied himself the use of that perfectly legitimate issue. It is simply Orwellian for him to be now so widely vilified as a stoker of racism. What makes it doubly Orwellian is that these charges are being made on behalf of the one presidential candidate who has repeatedly, and indeed quite brilliantly, deployed the race card.
    How brilliantly? The reason Bill Clinton is sulking in his tent is because he feels that Obama surrogates succeeded in painting him as a racist. Clinton has many sins, but from his student days to his post-presidency, his commitment and sincerity in advancing the cause of African-Americans have been undeniable. If the man Toni Morrison called the first black president can be turned into a closet racist, then anyone can.
    And Obama has shown no hesitation in doing so to McCain. Just weeks ago, in Springfield, Mo., and elsewhere, he warned darkly that George Bush and John McCain were going to try to frighten you by saying that, among other scary things, Obama has “a funny name” and “doesn’t look like all those other presidents on those dollar bills.”
    McCain has never said that, nor anything like that. When asked at the time to produce one instance of McCain deploying race, the Obama campaign could not. Yet here was Obama firing a pre-emptive charge of racism against a man who had not indulged in it. An extraordinary rhetorical feat, and a dishonorable one.
    What makes this all the more dismaying is that it comes from Barack Obama, who has consistently presented himself as a healer, a man of a new generation above and beyond race, the man who would turn the page on the guilt-tripping grievance politics of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
    I once believed him.

    CORRECTION — Last week I wrote that in 1995 Bill Ayers gave Barack Obama a fundraiser in his home. I should instead have called it a campaign event.
    letters@charleskrauthammer.com
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/10/finding_racism_where_it_doesnt.html

  2. “Big Media is helping Obama trash an ordinary citizen”

    Yes admin! & they are helping him cover up all his crimes, and trashing anyone not drinking his koolaid.

    djia: Thanks for reposting that excellent article by Charles Krauthammer!

  3. Can you imagine living in a neighborhood, O comes to your door, you ask him some pointed questions and the next thing you know you are ripped to shreads. (If this happened at a rally they would say he was a plant).

    I wonder how all of this is affecting Joe, and his political opinions.

    Marlene

  4. Admin: Great article! You have such a way with words and humor. It is shameful that Joe the Plumber is getting vetted more than Obama, Ayers, and other questionable associates.

  5. Sorry I intended to include a Marlene Dietrick quote, decided it did not fit, and forgot to delete the first part of the information on her name. I hit the send too fast.

  6. Maybe we should ask Joe for his birth certificate. I bet he could produce it. Better yet, maybe he should ask for Os. It might get some press.

  7. online.wsj.com/article/SB122420205889842989.html

    A Liberal Supermajority
    Get ready for ‘change’ we haven’t seen since 1965, or 1933.

    If the current polls hold, Barack Obama will win the White House on November 4 and Democrats will consolidate their Congressional majorities, probably with a filibuster-proof Senate or very close to it. Without the ability to filibuster, the Senate would become like the House, able to pass whatever the majority wants.

    Snip:

    Liberals would dominate the entire government in a way they haven’t since 1965, or 1933. In other words, the election would mark the restoration of the activist government that fell out of public favor in the 1970s.

  8. There has to be a VAST silent majority out there that will vote Nov 4th that have seen, heard, and have the base of knowledge to bring our country back from the brink of destruction that nObama will cause. Dear God, help our country in its teetering on the edge of destruction.

  9. well, all that caucus fraud in the primaries – well, karma comes back:

    press release from republican party of NM:

    Fraudulent Votes Cast in New Mexico

    Obama’s ACORN Must Be Shut Down Before Election, All Activities Investigated

    (Albuquerque, NM) – Public records released in New Mexico today confirm that fraudulent voter registrations are in fact turning into fraudulent votes. ACORN, currently under investigation by the FBI, is now confirmed to be responsible for producing fraudulent voter registrations and illegal votes in New Mexico. An inspection of public records has revealed that illegal votes were cast in New Mexico’s 2008 primary election.

    “This is a bombshell. We now have undeniable proof that a significant number of fraudulent voters were cast in Democrat primary races for the New Mexico state legislature as a result of ACORN’s voter registration fraud,” remarked State Representative Justine Fox Young (R-Albuquerque). “No longer can ACORN argue that their phony voter registration forms don’t translate into fraudulent votes. They do and today we can prove it.”

    “It is safe to say that the number of illegal votes being cast dwarfs the 366 votes that decided the 2000 Presidential election in New Mexico,” said Nina Martinez, Secretary for the Republican Party of New Mexico. “Barack Obama contributed $832,000 to ACORN, organized an ACORN subsidiary, represented them as their attorney, trained some of their members and received ACORN’s endorsement. Obama should withdraw his financial support from ACORN and come clean about what he knows of their activities. Every fraudulent vote cancels out an honest vote. We must ensure the integrity of this year’s election.”

  10. Just think how much higher the popular vote would have gone for Hillary Clinton had the DNC and Obama not aided, abetted, and given full support to ACORN.

  11. So the media has proven they can vet someone, now let’s see them try their newly found skills and vet Obama!

    If Barry came to my house canvassing, I’d turn the sprinklers on.

  12. I just received this email from McCain’s campaign it has a link at the bottom for a comparison of nObama’s record and rhetoric:
    …Thanks for your support.

    Sincerely,
    Christian Ferry
    Deputy Campaign Manager

    P.S. In addition to volunteering for our campaign, I’m asking you to visit the new website, http://www.RhetoricVsRecord.com. This site outlines the big differences between what Senator Obama says and what he does. Please take a few minutes to read through the site and pass it along to a few of your friends. Thank you.

  13. shenanigans, if nObama came to my gate I would open it and then yell, “Who let the DOGS out? Whooof, whoof!”

  14. Hey guys, was John McCain grrrrrrrrrreat last night or what? God I wish he’d been that funny and sharp throughout the whole election campagn! If he did, he’d be up 10 points right now!!

  15. debbie, what about other states? I still feel that the “voter’s fraud” perception that’s out there will linger past Nov. 4th!! I hope we can stop Obama and this thugs from stealing this election and I hope he’s exposed for the fraud that he is!

  16. Castthevote

    She won by 1,000 in NM. I conducted a caucus, and the number of provisional ballots was rediculous. They said it was a corrupt voter register file purchased from the State. We had a mess and it took us a week to come to a final count. I was there that week, and everytime I challenged a ballot, they over ruled me. They bent over backward to qualify as many provisionals as possible, and she still won. However, the Dems in NM acted as thought she lost.

    I hope this hits the papers in NM big time. I might convince a lot of Dems staying home to vote.

    This really upsets me.

  17. sotonightthatimightsee

    Expect legal challenges all day long … no swing state will be able to certify their elections if any race is close. Anything less than 5% will be challenged

  18. and don’t expect that the republicans will be the only ones doing the challenging. dems will fight like hell to keep the fix in.

  19. debbie, pl. refresh our memories what the order was and what Brunner does not have to do now. I have a vague idea but..

  20. I’ve been meaning to ask you guys this question:

    Was Acorn working for Obambi during the primaries against Hillary? Are those the same thugs that intimidated Hillary voters during the Caucuses?

  21. sotonightthatimightsee

    Yes Acorn was paid by the obama campaign to get out the vote during the primary

    Acorn has been working for obama in all his previous elections as well

  22. the counties in OH could not verify the validity of the registrations because the state did not open the DMV or SS databases to them, apparently the database was shut down for this purpose and now local election officials can’t do the verification thoroughly

  23. The Republicans Don’t Want You to Vote — Even in California
    By Art Torres
    Chair
    California Democratic Party

    Across the country we have seen systematic efforts by the Republicans to intimidate and manipulate citizens to prevent them from voting for Barack Obama and the Democratic ticket. This has been a part of the Republican playbook for decades. It’s called voter suppression.

    We’re already seeing it this year. Whether it’s overly restrictive voting laws that disenfranchise voters, or the McCain campaign sending absentee ballot applications to Democrats with the wrong return address. The Republicans don’t want you to vote. But we do.

    If you’re eligible to vote and you want to vote, we hope that you will vote in this historic election for the Democratic Ticket.

    Regardless of whom you are voting for Democrats have been fighting for years to ensure that every ballot of every eligible voter is counted as cast and I encourage you to:

    • Check to make sure that you are registered to vote properly. In every election voters like you and me go to the polls expecting to vote, only to be told that their name has been removed from the voter rolls. Don’t let this happen to you. Even if you think you are registered, check your registration status here

    • Register to vote if you’re eligible and have never done so before. Your registration must be postmarked by Oct. 20th, which is this coming Monday. So don’t delay.

    • Re-register to vote if you’ve moved or have changed your name since you last registered. Again, you need to get the form in the mail by this coming Monday, October 20. Go here to find a form you can use to register.

    • Familiarize yourself with your rights as a voter. We have a list here.

    • Send this on to your friends and family in California so that they can make sure they’re registered properly too.

    You know, the Republicans are already anticipating a loss on Election Day. They are already huffing and puffing about supposed voter fraud.

    However, the existence of “massive voter fraud” by Democrats is about as real as those weapons of mass destruction that were supposed to be in Iraq. Remember, President Bush fired a bunch of his own Attorneys General because they could find no evidence to support a partisan witch-hunt on this issue. The Republican leadership has hoodwinked a lot of good people, but for the leaders of the Republican Party, the red hearing of voter fraud is just an excuse to make it harder for legitimate voters to cast their ballot.

    http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2008/10/the_republicans.html
    *****************************************************
    Lawyers run amuck with our liberties.

  24. djia,

    Unbelievable! And now the Supreme Court sides with this biased Liberal Secretary of State in OH..who is obviously trying to help Obambi steal the state! Wow, what is happening to this country?

  25. CAPITALPRESS ENDORSES JOHN MCCAIN!
    the wests AG website
    http://www.capitalpress.info/main.asp?SectionID=75&SubSectionID=767&ArticleID=45369&TM=38153.68

    Our choice: John McCain
    Editorial
    For most Americans, these are not the best of times. They are times fraught with uncertainty, with a struggling economy and wars in Iraq and Afghanistan unsettled.

    These are times that beckon true leaders – like Franklin Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan – who can assure the public and lead us to a stronger, more vibrant nation tempered by the challenges of today.

    Snip:

    Both candidates propose immigration reform, an issue that has hurt farmers who depend on hand labor in their fields. McCain has been a leader of Senate efforts to reach a compromise on the issue, and he accuses Obama of blocking progress of his bill. McCain also would work to improve the federal H-2A guestworker program.

    They also differ on ethanol production. Obama supports subsidies, but McCain blames them for raising the price of corn, which helps growers but has had a devastating effect on livestock and dairy producers.

    In other areas, the differences are less pronounced. On the federal estate tax, McCain proposes a larger cut than Obama. They both support a cap-and-trade carbon market as a means of addressing global warming, but, according to a Farm Bureau analysis, McCain would “exempt farms from climate change regulations.”

    The hallmark of McCain’s agricultural policy is a “21st Century Green Revolution,” in which he calls for the USDA to launch a “comprehensive research agenda to develop more stress-resistant, higher-yielding crops to increase production per acre.”

    Obama’s policy seems to be more rooted in promoting organic and sustainable agriculture and “strictly regulating” pollution from concentrated animal feeding operations.

    However, the closer you look at Obama and the groups supporting him, the more he looks like a standard-issue liberal Democrat. His list of supporters calls into question whether his administration might have “changes” in mind that would ultimately hurt farmers and ranchers.

    Obama supporters include the Sierra Club and the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund. Also on the list is the Humane Society Legislative Fund, an affiliate of the Humane Society of the United States, which is leading the charge for Proposition 2 in California to ban battery cages for chickens.

    Meanwhile, the list of organizations supporting McCain’s candidacy includes nearly every ag group in the West.

    There is no doubt that agriculture knows full well which presidency would be best for it, and for the nation.

    We stand with them.

    We endorse John McCain as our choice for the next president of the United States.

  26. This tell me Obama is in trouble in CA. The Democratic? Taliban Party took CA for granted and the internal polls most show a close race because I’m seeing more and more concern Democrats talking about John McCain/Sarah Palin influence here in CA.

    Also stories about ACORN in San Diego, CA.

  27. # debbie Says:
    October 17th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    the counties in OH could not verify the validity of the registrations because the state did not open the DMV or SS databases to them, apparently the database was shut down for this purpose and now local election officials can’t do the verification thoroughly
    —————————–

    Are these registrations limited to the one stop register and vote that Brunner came up with or all new registrations?

  28. HERE’S A HEADLINE BEYOND “COMICAL” LOL

    Obama for President

    Editorial: The Post endorses the Democratic senator.

    This is the Washing Post announcement that they’re endorsing Obambi lol. Really WashPost? Really?

    One would have thought that by the numbers of attacks against Hillary during the primaries, and attacks agaisnt MacCain/Palin that you clowns over at the Post had already made up your minds!

    Can’t the Feds shut down them down for Leftist propaganda, lies and misinformation? God, I wish they could!

  29. sotonightthatimightsee Says:

    October 17th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
    I’ve been meaning to ask you guys this question:

    Was Acorn working for Obambi during the primaries against Hillary? Are those the same thugs that intimidated Hillary voters during the Caucuses?
    *****************************************************
    Hell yes!!!

  30. George Voinovich calls Barack Obama a ‘socialist’

    Posted by Stephen Koff/Plain Dealer Washington Bureau October 17, 2008 11:26AM
    Categories: Elections, McCain, Obama, Real Time News, Sarah Palin, Voinovich
    Sen. George Voinovich, what do you really think of Barack Obama, the Democratic candidate for president?

    “He is left of Teddy Kennedy. With all due respect, the man is a socialist.”

    Ohio’s senior senator, a Republican, made his comments Thursday to a reporter for The Daily Sentinel in Pomeroy, Ohio. He was visiting the Meigs County Republican Party.

    Voinovich said he felt that John McCain, the Republican presidential candidate, had the “maturity, experience and proven record of reaching across the aisle” and would be a “responsible president” in one of the “most challenging times in the history of this country.”

    Voinovich’s office did not back away from the “socialist” quote today.

    Spokesman Chris Paulitz said it was based on Voinovich’s strong belief in a limited role for the federal government. Paulitz cited the 10th Amendment, which says: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

    Said Paulitz: “Sen. Voinovich has been a mayor and a governor, and believes the 10th Amendment is sacred. And he does not believe that Sen. Obama has an understanding or respect of the 10th Amendment.”

    McCain and his running mate, Sarah Palin, do, said Paulitz, adding that Voinovich has spoken with Palin specifically about the government’s role and that she, McCain and Ohio’s GOP senator are in agreement.

  31. pm317

    surely there is more to it than I know, but it sounds that all registrations were part of this not just the early voting

  32. The AP/Yahoo Poll released today shows that if the election were held today, people who would most likely vote for Obama outnumbered those who would likely vote for McCain by only 2 percentage points, 44-42. The margin of error is about 3 percent, within the statistical difference in voting likelihoods.

    Knowledge Networks of Menlo Park, CA conducted the survey, interviewing 873 Democrats and 650 Republicans between October 3-13.

  33. I want everyone here to relax. In times of trouble, I consult the EIGHT BALL.

    Will John McCain win the presidency in 2008:

    Yes, Definately.

  34. Well…there goes the Socialist’s argument that the courts are one vote away from overturning anything. They just sided against Constitutional Government.

    All bets are off.

    We now will have anarchy.

    Time to move.

  35. YouTube, McCain campaign spar over copyright issues

    YouTube has refused requests by Sen. John McCain to review campaign-related videos taken off the Web site because of copyright protests, suggesting that if McCain is unhappy with the current copyright protections he can work on changing the law, according to The American Lawyer.

    The McCain campaign, in a letter to YouTube this week, objected to the frequent removal of campaign-related material from the site.

    YouTube has taken down several videos in response to requests from those who created the videos and who say they own the copyright. Many of the videos contained news reports from local television stations.

    But Trevor Potter, general counsel for the McCain campaign, reportedly said in his letter to YouTube that removing the videos was inappropriate.

    “The uses at issue have been the inclusion of fewer than ten seconds of footage from news broadcasts in campaign ads or videos, as a basis for commentary on the issues presented in the news reports, or on the reports themselves,” Potter wrote.

    Those uses, in Potter’s opinion, are allowed by copyright laws, meaning YouTube should not have taken down the videos. He asked YouTube to conduct a legal review of all requests it receives to take down videos and evaluate whether they are based upon valid copyright claims.

    According to The American Lawyer, YouTube’s general counsel, Zahavah Levine, responded by saying such a review was impossible given the number of requests the company receives, the information it has about the videos and the current state of copyright law.

    Levine ended her letter to McCain’s campaign by saying YouTube looked forward “to working with Senator (or President) McCain on ways to combat abuse” of the copyright laws. She suggested strengthening the fair use doctrine, which allows limited use of copyrighted material, as one change in the law that would improve the situation.

    http://www.rcfp.org/newsitems/index.php?i=7084

  36. RNC Robocalls Hit Ayers Issue

    Here’s the text of the call:

    Hello. I’m calling for John McCain and the RNC because you need to know that Barack Obama has worked closely with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, whose organization bombed the U.S. capitol, the Pentagon, a judge’s home and killed Americans. And Democrats will enact an extreme leftist agenda if they take control of Washington. Barack Obama and his Democratic allies lack the judgment to lead our country. This call was paid for by McCain-Palin 2008 and the Republican National Committee

  37. Thousands turn out to see Palin at Elon
    The Republican candidate answers questions from The Raleigh News & Observer’s Rob Christensen.
    By Josh Shaffer
    Oct. 16, 2008.

    ELON Sarah Palin, the Republican candidate for vice president, challenged North Carolina voters Thursday to choose Sen. John McCain’s promise to balance the federal budget in four years, bring tax relief to every American and drill for offshore oil.

    Before an energetic crowd that nearly filled a baseball field at Elon University, Palin urged voters to reject what she described as Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s plan to redistribute wealth and raise taxes.

    “It’s the choice between a politician who puts his faith in government,” Palin said, “and a true leader who puts his faith in you.”

    Thousands packed the sun-blazed field in support of Palin, including five students who painted her name on their bare chests, along with a sixth who painted an exclamation point.

    The crowd clearly felt Palin had been underestimated by both Republican leadership and the national media.

    “People pick on her homespun-ness,” said Steffen Schultz, a 59-year-old transplant from Connecticut to a farm in King. “She’s a woman and keeps her femininity, and she still can be feisty.”

    Palin trumpeted McCain’s performance in Wednesday night’s presidential debate, saying he will reform the waste that led to the nation’s financial crisis.

    “John McCain is going to Washington to work for Joe the Plumber,” said Palin, referring to the everyman voter who became the star of Wednesday’s debate.

    Palin drew cheers, but the loudest reception came for country music star Hank Williams Jr., who performed a song he wrote for the campaign to the tune of his hit “Family Tradition.”

    “This old union’s got problems,” Williams sang. “That’s plain to see. The Democrats bankrupted Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac like one, two, three.”

    A spokesman for Obama accused the McCain campaign of putting more emphasis on character attacks than the economy.

    “On the same day that Sarah Palin returned to North Carolina, John McCain’s campaign fired off three disgraceful pre-recorded phone calls attacking Barack Obama’s character,” said Paul Cox, a spokesman for Obama. “John McCain’s campaign has admitted that the economy is a losing issue for them, so he’s chosen to launch these dishonorable and dishonest attacks instead of focusing on issues like creating jobs to strengthen the economy.”

    Republican U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Dole warmed up the crowd at Elon, urging voters to remember statewide races such as hers against Democratic challenger Kay Hagan. Like Palin, Dole pressed for offshore drilling.

    “Jobs are most important in North Carolina,” Dole said. “Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. … We need to drill. We need alternative sources of energy.”

    One protester was escorted from the baseball field, though Palin urged security to let him stay and learn something. But a handful of Obama supporters in campaign T-shirts said the Palin crowd had been mostly polite.

    “It’s been an interesting experience,” said Whitney Hamilton, a senior at Elon. “I think it’s always a good thing to immerse yourself in other opinions. We’ve gotten a few looks. A few people asked to take our pictures.”

    Palin was scheduled to attend a private fundraiser later Thursday at the home of Louis DeJoy, CEO of New Breed Inc., and his wife, Aldona Wos, a former U.S. ambassador to Estonia.

    ww.charlotteobserver.com/431/story/258398.html

  38. GREAT NEWS!!!!!!

    FL Women Drift To Obama, FL Men Drift to McCain, But Overall, Sunshine State Stays Steady in SurveyUSA Tracking:

    49% McCain (R)
    47% Obama (D)
    2% Other
    2% Undecided

  39. The Demcratic? Taliban Party miscalculated with Obama. Obama was suppose to run away with this election because Hillary Clinton was unelectable and would not be able to carry down ticket Democrats.

    The Democrats are in trouble and the more Obama true nature is expose the more question and doubts voters will have at the election box.

    Regarding the media and polls…those who trades in lies are never trusted.

  40. Todd Palin wraps up Minn. visit

    The husband of Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin will wrap up his tour through northern Minnesota Friday.

    Hundreds of people, many wearing blaze orange or camoflage turned out at a rally in Hermantown Thursday.

    Friday Palin will visit the Artic Cat factory in Thief River Falls and make a stop in Moorhead.

    The President of the American Hunters and Shooters Association, Ray Shoenke, will also be in Moorhead Friday. He plans to talk about why he supports Barack Obama.

    kaaltv.com/article/stories/S622465.shtml?cat=10728
    *****************************************************
    Even Todd Palin has more people coming to his rallies then Obama and Biden.

  41. Londonderry Teen Left Out Of Obama Rally
    POSTED: 11:38 pm EDT October 16, 2008
    UPDATED: 11:53 pm EDT October 16, 2008

    A Londonderry high school student was supposed to sing the national anthem at Barack Obama’s rally Thursday. Just hours before he was to hit the stage, the obama campaign told him he was no longer needed! 17-year old Zach Bengal says he was bumped because the campaign had to make time for more speeches. He says the campaign worker who broke the news was apologetic and said they’d keep him in mind for the future.
    —————————————————————————————————
    this was one of the local news stories this morning. what the story left out was Zach said he’d be happy to sing for McCain if requested.

    also noted BO reading a teleprompter while visiting macks apple orchard in londonderry, NH. this was a basic campagn stump speech and the guy STILL has to read from a teleprompter. saw HRC many times up here and she NEVER used a t-prompter.

  42. when the caucuses in Texas and Washington were as skewed as they were, and when more people voted for Hillary than BHO and he ended up with the nomination, then I new then we were in for some deep $hit with the voting in this election

    I frankly don’t care if your dem. rep, or ind. this is serious stuff. Our votes are in trouble. OUR VOICES are in trouble.

    We need to make sure that this problem is fixed. And I say no more lections until it is!

  43. Todd Palin campaigns for McCain in Bemidji
    Brad Swenson
    Bemidji Pioneer – 10/17/2008

    Wasilla, Alaska, and Bemidji share the same values as well as the same environment of rich natural resources, says the husband of Republican vice presidential nominee Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

    “Our family enjoys all the qualities that your families down here enjoy as far as the environment and protecting the environment, recreational, hunting, sport fishing,” Todd Palin said Thursday night at a rally held in Bemidji Woolen Mills’ industrial park production facility.

    “That’s a big part of our lives,” said Palin, an oil production manager for BP and championship snowmobile racer. “That’s our foundation … we share the same foundation.”

    Palin is in northern Minnesota for a two-day stump for presidential nominee John McCain, who picked Gov. Palin as his running mate only days before the Republican National Convention in St. Paul.

    More than 400 people crammed into the Woolen Mills plant, standing around rows of sewing machines and long production tables. At the front, Palin spoke for about three minutes, standing between Polaris and Arctic Cat snow machines. He stayed for another 45 minutes to shake hands and sign autographs.

    Palin told the Bemidji crowd that if they were following news of campaign or watched the debate between Gov. Palin and Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden, “you probably got a good sense of the way Sarah manages and the way she governs and her ideas of what government’s role is.”

    That role, Palin said of his wife, “is to reduce taxing, reduce spending and reduce the pork-barrel projects. And get government back closer to the people.”

    That drew loud cheers among the crowd, many of them given “McCain-Palin” signs to wave prior to the event start.

    About the Palin family’s newfound public attention, Todd Palin said that “I guess I should have asked a few more questions when she (Sarah) decided to join the PTA.”

    Gov. Palin started her public service as a PTA member in Wasilla and rose to become mayor of Wasilla and then to the governor’s mansion.

    Sen. McCain, he said, “has a record of a reform attitude and is proud to stand on that record.” The goal, he said, “is to put government back into the people’s hands.”

    Palin said he had “a strong connection to Minnesota,” introducing his racing team partner, Scott Davis, who was born in Grand Rapids with his family now living in Deer River. The two were at events Thursday in Hermantown, Grand Rapids and Bemidji, and will hit Thief River Falls and Moorhead today.

    In an interview, Todd Palin said the Second Amendment right to bear arms is an important value statement fr the McCain ticket. Most of the events are being held at sports goods stores, and many supporters Thursday showed up in blaze orange.

    Bill Batchelder, an owner of Bemidji Woolen Mills, was decked out in khaki and blaze orange, complete with a blaze orange cap that Palin wore while Batchelder’s nephew, Danny, presented him with a Bemidji Woolen Mills wool coat.

    “You just have to look at the records” on gun issues, said Palin of contracting McCain’s votes versus that of Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee. “I think the records will show who is supportive of the Second Amendment rights and he’s (Obama) not.”

    Palin said his wife, who has hunted moose, “is pro-Second Amendment rights and pro-gun rights.”

    Asked how he’s handling the public attention, Palin said that “vacation’s coming around the corner, but it’s an honor for me to travel the country and meet Americans. So, it’s nothing but a positive.”

    Batchelder also presented Palin with some “hockey mom mitts” for his wife.

    Robert Roach, superintendent of Heartland Christian Academy, gave Palin T-shirts for his family, including the expected new arrival to daughter Bristol.

    “We believe in parents having a choice of where their kids go to school, whether it’s public school, home school or Christian school,” Roach said. “Parents deserve the choice, to make that for their children.”

    Palin noted that McCain made that same point during Wednesday night’s debate with Obama.

    He was also given Paul Bunyan and Babe bobble heads from Gayle Quistgaard, director of VisitBemidji.

    Mark Dickinson, grandson of Leonard Dickinson, state legislator in the 1950s and ’60s, introduced Palin, saying the McCain ticket “believes in the principles of less government and individual principles so important to northern Minnesota.”

    As the Palins have come under scrutiny with Bristol being pregnant and unwed, and with an investigation into the Palins’ involvement in trying to get an Alaskan state trooper — an in-law in the family — fired, Dickinson thanked them for their self-sacrifice.

    He thanked “Todd and Sarah for their decision to open that window for all of us with a hope we can make a difference in the direction of our country. That isd a great sacrifice, and we thank you both for that.”

    About a dozen protesters spent their time across the street from the Woolen Mills plant, holding signs and beating a drum. Mostly local people, they politely thanked people for coming and wished them a safe trip home after the event.

    Beltrami County Sheriff Phil Hodapp reported no incidents. Security was tight, with a contingent of Secret Service traveling with Palin.

    http://www.bemidjipioneer.com/articles/index.cfm?id=18899&section=homepage

  44. Please work for John McCain!
    The Citizens for McCain phone banks are up and running. Please help us in our efforts to reach out to Democrats and Independents in targeted regions near you to ensure that we secure the support of every potential voter who could make the difference in this tight race. Please use the links below to connect to the phone bank and begin making calls to these voters who are putting country before party. citizens.johnmccain.com/citizens.htm

  45. I’m interested in the electoral college breakdown for both candidates. Given the latest polling, does anyone have this information or know where to get it?

  46. lil ole grape Says:

    October 17th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
    Please work for John McCain!
    The Citizens for McCain phone banks are up and running. Please help us in our efforts to reach out to Democrats and Independents in targeted regions near you to ensure that we secure the support of every potential voter who could make the difference in this tight race.

    Please use the links below to connect to the phone bank and begin making calls to these voters who are putting country before party.

    citizens.johnmccain.com/citizens.htm

  47. Well this is something

    AP/YAHOO Poll of 873 Democrats; 650 Republicans shows OBAMA 44%, MCCAIN 42%…

    I mean seriously this is hilarious. we knew the pollsters were lying about Bambi’s numbers but this is hilarious. Bambi will lose hugely on this.

    l.yimg.com/a/i/us/nws/elections/ap_election_wave8_topline_101308.pdf

  48. according to Survey USA, McCain retakes lead in Florida (49 to 47), isnt it funny, the polls are suddenly coming around to McCain, i guess some are trying to get dignity back before they lose all respect

  49. Hey guys,

    I just convinced this “undecided” co worker of mine to vote for John McCain. She said she’d heard McCain was like Bush and the he’d be more of the same…as expressed by her friends.

    I told her to go back and look at McCain’s resume and compare it with Obama’s. I told her she’ll find McCain has a long list of accomplishment and Obama does not. In fact, nothing in Obama’s resume assures me he can lead this country at a time as fragile as this!

    I also told her McCain and Bush have always been at odds with each other..dating back to 2000. I told her McCain’s always been his own man and always will be. This is why he gets my vote!!!!

    She also expressed concern about Palin. I told her to ignore what the Media says..they have no credibility and are all shamelessly and irresponsibly in the tank for Obama. I told her Palin was a smart, strong, beautiful and capable woman and we would be ok with her at the wheel!

  50. Hillbuzz, this is intersting

    There’s something incredibly interesting in the Mills College yearbook from 1996 or 1997

    Anyone in California who can head over to the library at Mills College will find something very interesting in the Mills College yearbook from 1996 or 1997.

    All this talk of plumbers lately made us think about butchers and candlestick makers too.

    Who was the other guy, or gal, in that tub?

    Oh yah…baker.

    A rub-a-dub-dub!

    Wonder if there are photos of any bakers in those Mills College yearbooks.

    In Martinique, they’ve got a baker or two, from what we hear. No pictures though.

    THOSE are all in California. San Francisco area. At this address:

    5000 MacArthur Boulevard

    Oakland, California

    Cryptic or something of a very revealing photo?

  51. LOL…I saw that too, Moon.

    Who the hell do we have near Oakland that we can send on a fact finding mission.

    We’ll call it retribution for the lynching of a certain plumber, so we won’t feel guilty. 😉

  52. I LOVE THIS ARTICLE!

    On The Content of His Character by John McWhorter

    If Obama loses, let’s please not assume that racism was the cause.
    Post Date Thursday, October 16, 2008

    tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=182bf8d3-1c5f-46c1-b884-da80a2d03b20

  53. Here’s a Letter to the Editor that I just sent to the Washington Post, letters@washpost.com.

    I’d like to express my appreciation for Mr. Krauthammer’s good sense. But one item was missing from his recent column.

    Apparently the “Kill him” shout didn’t even happen. Secret service agents at the rally could not find anyone at all in the crowd who heard this. Apparently one reporter imagined it, and his newspaper did not try to verify it. The Secret Service cite is below.

    Here is a report from someone standing between the reporter and the crowd, posted at http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/Secret_Service_says_Kill_him_allegation_unfounded_.html?showAll=Y#comments

    TB October 17, 2008 at 12:53 AM
    I was a volunteer at this rally and stationed by the orange bleachers where the journalist says he heard the comment during Chris Hackett’s speech and it DID NOT happen. I was closer to the bleachers than the reporter with about 8 other volunteers and we heard nothing even remotely like this.

    Here is an excerpt from the secret service agent’s statement.
    http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/Secret_Service_says_Kill_him_allegation_unfounded_.html
    He said the agency conducted an investigation Wednesday, after seeing the story, and could not find one person to corroborate the allegation other than Singleton [the reporter who made the claim].

    “We have yet to find someone to back up the story,” Slavoski said. “We had people all over and we have yet to find anyone who said they heard it.”

  54. Well i never

    Basil, i think i solved this one,look here

    Rick Ayers is in advanced studies in the Language, Literacy, and Culture program of the UC Berkeley Graduate School of Education. He received his Masters in Education Mills College (1997)

    BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    NOW THERES THE CONNECTION FROM OBAMA TO BAKER – ITS AYERS.

  55. Moon

    ok this baker i do not know what your all talking about…….can you please explain it to me
    I am still fairly new to politics and am not up on who’s who yet i guess.

    thanks 😀

  56. Please pass this along to Sen. Mccain campaign. This makes a great point about a qualification for a Commander in Chief. They can make an ad like this……

    Topic: A Commander in Chief qualification. He MUST have a security clearance to access classified information.

    Obama is not qualified for a security clearance.
    Reasons: 1. Association/friendship with Terrorist (Ayers), Radicals (Wright), and convicted felon (Rezko). 2. Failed to provide an authentic birth certificate. (A suit case was filed for this case, Is Obama hiding anything?)

    How can he protect us from terrorism, his friends are terrorist and radicals. How can OBAMA be a Commander in Chief, he is not even qualifed for a security clearance?

    NO SECURITY CLEARANCE. NOT QUALIFY FOR A COMMANCER IN CHIEF!!!

  57. Topic: A Commander in Chief qualification. He MUST have a security clearance to access classified information.

    Obama is not qualified for a security clearance.
    Reasons: 1. Association/friendship with Terrorist (Ayers), Radicals (Wright), and convicted felon (Rezko). 2. Failed to provide an authentic birth certificate. (A suit case was filed for this case, Is Obama hiding anything?)

    How can he protect us from terrorism, his friends are terrorist and radicals. How can OBAMA be a Commander in Chief, he is not even qualifed for a security clearance?

    NO SECURITY CLEARANCE. NOT QUALIFY FOR A COMMANCER IN CHIEF!!!

  58. So Vera Baker goes to Mills College in 96/97, same time as Rick Ayers, Bills Brother, pictures together in yearbook, you tell me the connection of how Obama met Vera Baker.

  59. Well, we don’t actually KNOW if there’s a pic of Baker and Ayers together, though.

    We need a friggin’ Oakland operative. LOL!

  60. Idunn: Rick Ayers, that is the pott calling the kettle ….. Why shouldn’t someone question ties to Wm. Ayers? He is a non-repentant domestic terrorist, who has close ties to a presidential candidate. I don’t think, questioning this, is McCarthyism.

  61. McCain Stands Up for Joe
    By Matthew Mosk
    MIAMI — Sen. John McCain made Joe the Plumber a household name. Now he wants Joe to know he’s got his new friend’s back.

    Speaking to a boisterous crowd at Florida International University, McCain expressed dismay that the fame he brought on Joe Wurzelbacher has now turned the Ohio man into the focus of endless publicity, not all of it favorable.

    For this, McCain blames his opponent, Barack Obama.

    “The response from Senator Obama and his campaign yesterday was to attack Joe,” McCain said. “People are digging through his personal life and he has TV crews camped out in front of his house. He didn’t ask for Senator Obama to come to his house. He wasn’t recruited or prompted by our campaign. He just asked a question. And Americans ought to be able to ask Senator Obama tough questions without being smeared and targeted with political attacks.”

    Press reports focused on Wurzelbacher’s story for the past 48 hours have included mention of his lack of a plumbing license, and a tax lien.

    The questions coming from the Obama campaign have been more mild. The McCain campaign has pointed to comments by another Joe, Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden. Biden said in an interview, “I don’t have any Joe the Plumbers in my neighborhood who make $250,000 a year and are worried,” Biden said.

    McCain told the crowd in Miami that the question Joe asked about our economy “is important, because Senator Obama’s plan would raise taxes on small businesses that employ 16 million Americans. Senator Obama’s plan will kill those jobs at just the time when we need to be creating more jobs. My plan will create jobs, and that’s what America needs.”

    McCain also offered some red meat to the Miami crowd, saying, “When I’m president, I won’t meet unconditionally with the Castro brothers.”

    “The day is coming when Cuba will be free,” he said, to a roar.

    voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/17/mccain_stands_up_for_joe.html

  62. Palin receives applause when talking about ‘Joe the Plumber’
    BLADE STAFF

    WEST CHESTER, Ohio — Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin rallied thousands of supporters Friday in this southwest Ohio conservative stronghold with more promises to cut taxes, create jobs, and by simply uttering the name of the party’s new blue collar hero: “Joe the Plumber.”

    Two days after a contentious and final presidential debate, the governor from Alaska was back in Ohio stumping for votes.

    Mrs. Palin drew wild applause and cheers when she referred to Springfield Township resident Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, the man better known across the nation as Joe The Plumber who instantly became a media celebrity after John McCain mentioned him during Wednesday’s debate against Barack Obama.

    “It’s a choice between a candidate who will raise your taxes, and that threatens our future, and a leader going to Washington to work for the people like Joe the Plumber, and millions like Joe the Plumber who are struggling to sustain a small business,” Mrs. Palin said. “We want to cut taxes and our opponent wants to raise them.”

    Mrs. Palin continued on the offensive against the Democratic rivals — a tactic the McCain-Palin camp hopes will help win Ohio’s crucial 20 electoral votes. President Bush won Ohio over John Kerry in 2004 by less than 119,000 votes. President Bush took Butler County by about a 2-to-1 margin.

    “And ya know, we’ve probably got to hand it to Joe, somehow he got Barack Obama to finally state his intentions,” she added about Joe the Plumber. “Senator Obama said he wants to spread the wealth and he wants government to take your money and decide how to best redistribute it according to his priorities. Joe suggested that sounded a little bit like socialism. Whatever you call it, I call it bad medicine for an ailing economy and it’s what Barack Obama will do to those who want to create jobs.”

    At the debate, Mr. McCain cited Mr. Wurzelbacher because he told Mr. Obama during a surprise visit to his Springfield Township neighborhood Sunday that if he was ever able to make $250,000 from a plumbing business, Mr. Obama’s tax plan would hurt him. Divorce records from 2006 show at that time, Mr. Wurzelbacher was making $40,000, which would make him eligible for a tax cut under the Obama plan.

    Governor Palin also accused Mr. Obama of “fuzzying up” his connections to ACORN — the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. It is a community organizing group accused of widespread voter registration fraud.

    The group is under investigation by the FBI for voter registration fraud. Ms. Palin said that Mr. Obama earlier this year paid $800,000 to an ACORN affiliated group for campaign work.

    “All of this would be a lot of baggage to drag into the oval office and Americans are entitled to answers before election day,” Mrs. Palin said.

    Officials for ACORN, who have said the group registered about 1.3 million young people, minorities, and low-income and working-class voters, denied allegations of concerted, widespread fraud but acknowledge that some registration workers might have turned in duplicate applications or falsified information to increase their pay.

    House Republican Leader John Boehner, who is from West Chester, also took part in Friday’s rally — telling the crowd that Mr. McCain’s chances of winning the White House next month are very strong.

    toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081017/NEWS09/810170260

  63. If you do a google search on “vera baker rick ayers” the first article you get talks about Clinton having this info on Baker and trying to get the networks to print it in August before the convention. It also talks about Obama giving Edwards story to NE in exchange for keeping quiet about this. I wonder NE dropped the bomb on Edwards so that Obama won’t have to consider him for VP. Anyway, it is all speculation..

  64. 5000 MacArthur Boulevard

    Oakland, California
    —–

    Simofish on riverdaugher lives in that area….if a fact finding mission is needed…I am away from home otherwise I would have volunteered for this…

  65. ‘Don’t Turn Buckeye State Into ACORN State,’ Palin Warns
    GOP Candidate Demands Obama Disavow Community Group

    Supporters showing up for this morning’s Sarah Palin rally in Butler County say they’re skeptical of polls showing the Republican ticket falling behind.

    Linda Cover said 16 members of her family are voting for Sen. John McCain and his running mate, Palin, but she said nobody ever called any of them for a poll.

    Palin spoke Friday at an outdoor rally in West Chester, where she drew cheers with her reference to an Ohio plumber mentioned dozens of times during McCain’s debate with his Democratic rival, Sen. Barack Obama.

    She blasted Obama, who told plumber Joe Wurzelbacher – now known famously as “Joe The Plumber” – last week in Toledo that his proposed tax increases on Americans who earn $250,000 or more would “spread the wealth around”

    Palin said any tax increase would be “bad medicine for a troubled economy.”

    She continued her stump-speech attacks on Obama for his ties to 1960s radical William Ayers and a community organization under investigation for alleged voter registration fraud.

    She criticized Obama for not disavowing ACORN, a community activist group under investigation by state and federal authorities for alleged voter registration fraud.

    “You won’t let them turn the Buckeye State into the ACORN State,” Palin said during the rally.

    Nearly a dozen states and the FBI are looking into allegations against the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, which is registering voters in swing states. ACORN officials have denied charges of concerted, widespread fraud.

    “In this election, it’s a choice between a candidate who won’t disavow a group committing voter fraud, and a leader who won’t tolerate voter fraud,” Palin said.

    Obama has denied any significant ties to ACORN, and has said the group is not advising his campaign.

    At least a handful of ACORN canvassers are currently being investigated across the country by local officials on suspicion of submitting false registration cards, some with names like “Mickey Mouse” or “Donald Duck.”

    An Associated Press analysis found that charges of voter fraud go too far, because to commit fraud, a person would have to show up on Election Day with identification bearing the fake name.

    Many states, including Ohio, require third-party organizations registering prospective voters to submit all forms they receive, even if they are determined to be problematic.

    The McCain/Palin chairman for Butler County said the Alaska governor is very popular in the area.

    West Chester is the hometown of Congressman John Boehner, the House minority leader, who also took part in the rally.

    http://www.wlwt.com/politics/17739210/detail.html

  66. Idun i never got why the Edwards affair broke when it did, now it makes sense, we were right, Obama dropped Edwards in it to save his neck.

  67. Seriously,

    this was a democratic year

    the democrats should have had this in the bag

    BHO has only a slight lead, not a overwheming majority as it should have been

    ……………….this folks is the true story of this election………………..

    people do not trust BHO

    BHO has had to pull out the dirty tricks (racism, sexism, caucus fraud, registration fraud, etc.)

    BHO cannot win this election on his own merits…he has none

    BHO will be the perfect tool for the extremist liberal wing of the democratic party

    Pelosi and Reid will control the agenda if BHO is elected

    The Pelosi/Reid control will be a nightmare for the majority of us who are moderates.

  68. I wonder should we be sending this info to Hannity with the subtext of, isnt it funny that the supposed girlfriend of Obama, Vera Baker went to the same school as Rick Ayers at the same time and you may be interested in seeing some Yearbooks form 96 and 97.

  69. It is quite amazing and unprecedented that nothing sticks to Obama — all mistakes or a whiff of it that would have brought down any other candidate. What the hell is going on?

  70. lol, i just find it amazing how everything about Obama just seems to lead right back to the door of the Wizard of ill, Bill Ayers.

    He is mixed up in every aspect of Barack Obama and none of our illustrious media want to put it together. every tread of Obama leads right back to him.

  71. As Carbynew noted http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=758#comment-216231 and we suggested, McCain is defending Joe – The Plumber.

    It’s the headline story on Drudge.
    http://www.drudgereport.com/flash1mm.htm

    It’s great to be here in Miami. Florida is a must-win state on November 4th, and with your help, we’re going to win Florida, and bring change to Washington, DC. We had a good debate this week. You may have noticed– there was a lot of talk about Senator Obama’s tax increases and Joe the Plumber. Last weekend, Senator Obama showed up in Joe’s driveway to ask for his vote, and Joe asked Senator Obama a tough question. I’m glad he did; I think Senator Obama could use a few more tough questions.

    The response from Senator Obama and his campaign yesterday was to attack Joe. People are digging through his personal life and he has TV crews camped out in front of his house. He didn’t ask for Senator Obama to come to his house. He wasn’t recruited or prompted by our campaign. He just asked a question. And Americans ought to be able to ask Senator Obama tough questions without being smeared and targeted with political attacks.

    The question Joe asked about our economy is important, because Senator Obama’s plan would raise taxes on small businesses that employ 16 million Americans. Senator Obama’s plan will kill those jobs at just the time when we need to be creating more jobs. My plan will create jobs, and that’s what America needs.

    Senator Obama says that he wanted to spread your wealth around. When politicians talk about taking your money and spreading it around, you’d better hold onto your wallet. Senator Obama claims that wants to give a tax break to the middle class, but not only did he vote for higher taxes on the middle class in the Senate, his plan gives away your tax dollars to those who don’t pay taxes.

    That’s not a tax cut, that’s welfare. America didn’t become the greatest nation on earth by redistributing wealth; we became the greatest nation by creating new wealth.

    This is the choice that we face. These are hard times. Our economy is in crisis. Americans are fighting in two wars. We face many enemies in this dangerous world, and many challenges here at home.

  72. You seen this

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/17/wade-rathke-acorns-founder-ayers-compatriot/

    The lines of evidence now converge: the founder of ACORN is Wade Rathke, who, like William Ayers, was a member of the Students for a Democratic Society. The Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), the student organization founded in 1960 as part of the New Left, was the gateway drug to the Weather Underground. In the early sixties, the SDS was idealistic and many reluctantly supported Lyndon Johnson for president in 1964, and grainy black-and-white pictures show clean-cut men and women registering southern blacks to vote. Tom Hayden was amongst this group. But that was then.

    By 1969, their Great Society liberalism had been co-opted by Marxists, Maoists, Spartacists, and other assorted revolutionary groups. They were no longer interested in change, but overthrowing the government. It was during this time that Wade Rathke first came into contact with Bill Ayers.

    Much has been made of Obama’s questionable judgment in befriending and working closely with unrepentant terrorist William Ayers. Regardless of what Obama says, his political career was launched in Ayers’ home, Ayers served with him on Woods Fund, and promoted him to head the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.

    The founder of ACORN, Wade Rathke, like Ayers, is a disciple of Saul Alinsky. Working for ACORN was an important step in Obama’s political career.

  73. idunn, take a look at this:

    209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2108214/posts

    As one comment says, Rick Ayers got his masters in his late 40s and enrolling for a PhD in his 60s..– at least that answers my question about the disparity in their ages.

  74. Folks, I keep seeing headlines on Yahoo news that most seems to think that this election is going to be a wipeout in Obama’s favor and that he is cautioning his supporters not to get too excited.

    Headlines also suggest that it seems to be increasing evident that Obama will be the next president of the United States.

    I don’t understand where this information is coming from if many of the polls are suggesting that the race is close. Depressing 🙁

    Do any of you agree with any of these conclusions? I hope that it is not true!!

  75. If I were to speculate (anyway for the media everything about Obama is speculation), I will say Rick Ayers is the ghost writer for both Bill Ayers and Obama..

  76. It’s unbelievable….it is outrageous…..the con artist is attacking an ordinary citizen…

    I f****n mad all of his lies……

    I HOPE AMERICANS WILL WAKE UP….

  77. independent when you want to temper down your opponents enthusiasm, then you want to depress their turnout, they did the same in 2004.
    They had Kerry way up , was calling him Mr President by election morning.

    Its fear tactics, what it might do is push out republican turnout higher.

    Keep telling everyone, this election is not over until we say it is, and the more the media says its over, the more pissed off people will become. Remember they did this to Hillary for 5 months, every Primary, oh its over and everytime they did, Hillary won again and again.

    So dont believe the bullshit, get out and fight, if it was so over, then why would they bother making a point it was,and why would Obama be campaigning like a whore at a convention.

  78. Remember Americans do not like being told their vote is meaningless and what way they should vote, did they learn nothing from the Primaries.

  79. Folks, I keep seeing headlines on Yahoo news that most seems to think that this election is going to be a wipeout in Obama’s favor and that he is cautioning his supporters not to get too excited.

    Headlines also suggest that it seems to be increasing evident that Obama will be the next president of the United States.

    I don’t understand where this information is coming from if many of the polls are suggesting that the race is close. Depressing

    Do any of you agree with any of these conclusions? I hope that it is not true!!
    ————————————–
    Think back on what we have seen over the past 15 months. Do you see a pattern? Do you think they are trying to demoralize opponents maybe? Do you believe what the press tells you? Who is the final authority here anyway–the press, the pollsters or the people? They were proven wrong before. Why give them any credence now?

  80. magic007,

    What upsets me most is that Obama and his followers seem to love ridiculing others. There is so much hatred being perpetrated and spread through this man it’s scary.

  81. My nightly prayer is that Obama and his monster friends/supporters will crawl back into their holes for good when McCain wins.

  82. I’ve been on the wrong thread. 😳

    ROTF!!!!!

    Hecklers wave plungers at a BO rally.

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/17/plungers-greet-obama-at-virginia-rally/

    Moonpluto,
    I haveta confess i don’t know who rick ayers is, what mills college is or why the link to him and vera baker matters. i’m a bit slow today.

    basil9 Says:

    October 17th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
    I really don’t get WHY BO is trashing Joe by saying, “And look who McCain is out there fighting for.
    A plumber.”

    WTF?????? Why is that something to be sneered at? Really? Is it sheer desperation?

    Anyone else notice how Bo is publicly nasty to everyone? From HRC, JM, Palin and now poor Joe?

    And no one is ever publicly nasty to him. I just don’t get it. For real. How in the world is this rude obnoxious punk running for office? At the Alfred Smith dinner he was mean-spirited, bitter, classless, tasteless and NOT funnY!

  83. basil,

    he talks about change, about “we are the ones we have been waiting for”…perish the thought. He isn’t the messiah reborn. He’s more like the antichrist and Hitler rolled into one. It’s almost as if an ugly plague has been visited upon America and his name is: OBAMA!

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  85. Jan,

    yup.
    and ya know when he cracked that weak joke last night about not being born in a manger andhe was from
    Krypton (implying he was superman) that he didn’t believe it.

    MOON,

    Now i giet it. rick is bill’s brother and probably knew vera at mills college?

  86. http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/10/mccain-gives-le.html

    John McCain’s peace summit visit to CBS’ “Late Show” gave David Letterman his highest viewership in nearly three years.

    The Thursday night telecast was seen by 6.5 million viewers, and received a 1.7 rating in the adult demo. That’s the largest audience for the show since December, 2005, when Oprah Winfrey appeared. “Late Show” also topped Jay Leno’s “Tonight Show” (4.6 million viewers) by 43%, and Leno had Joe Biden as a guest.

    “Can I give you an answer?” says McCain when ribbed about his previous appearance cancellation. “I screwed up.”

    Last night marked McCain’s 14th appearance on the show. The host and candidate talked foreign affairs, William Ayers, Tina Fey and Sarah Palin. The McCain camp has also confirmed that Palin is going to appear on NBC’s “Saturday Night Live” this week.

  87. moononpluto Says:

    October 17th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
    independent when you want to temper down your opponents enthusiasm, then you want to depress their turnout, they did the same in 2004.
    They had Kerry way up , was calling him Mr President by election morning.

    Its fear tactics, what it might do is push out republican turnout higher.

    Keep telling everyone, this election is not over until we say it is, and the more the media says its over, the more pissed off people will become. Remember they did this to Hillary for 5 months, every Primary, oh its over and everytime they did, Hillary won again and again.

    So dont believe the bullshit, get out and fight, if it was so over, then why would they bother making a point it was,and why would Obama be campaigning like a whore at a convention.

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    Thanks for your explanation Moontopluto. After reading your post, I feel better now 🙂

    The comment of “Obama campaigning like a whore at a convention” was funny. I needed the laugh to bring me back to reality. LOL!!!!

  88. A glaring case of inattention on my part- wish I’d paid attention like djia did.

    So, a repost from last thread:
    ———————————–
    wbboei

    Just now feeling strong enuf to catch up a bit more.

    Read your comment on Oct 14th thread abt whether or not Bambi is responsible for what the bots do…and may I quote your statement:

    “Responsibilty: I cannot say whether bambi intended these specific acts to occur. But he knew what he was doing when built a campaign and tutored his followers in the tactics of camp obama that sooner or later it would come to this. In that sense he is responsible–politically. ”

    May I remind you of your cadet days? I bet your first leadership class, and many after that talked about the concept of ‘command responsibility.’

    Of course Bobo is responsible for bombings, broken windows, burned signs and the primary-GE campaign thuggery – it goes with being CEO of one’s campaign, and it goes with the territory when one is CIC…which is why Bush will be held responsible for the rest of his days on earth, and beyond, for the torture of prisoners and the recording of his citizens’ most private conversations (including the most recent revelation that calls from our soldiers from overseas bases to their families have been recorded and catalogued.

    It is called Command Responsibility.

    ABM90 has referred to the concept many times, even if not labeled as such.

    ONLY SEVEN WEEKS TO THE ARMY-NAVY GAME ! In spite of your Academy time, I’m taking Navy. ABM90?

  89. Watching that Letterman video again, I wonder what exactly Palin said — did she say “palling around with terrorist or terrorists?”

  90. Here’s the quote:

    “Our opponent, though, is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect — imperfect enough that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country,” Palin said. “Americans need to know this. … I think, okay we gotta get the word out. This is in fairness to the electorate we gotta start telling people what the other side represents.”

    So, is Palin wrong in the pluralization? Not if you consider that she may have ALSO been refering to Ayers wife, Bernadine Dorhn.

  91. Independent2008

    Stop it!

    Bo is not going to win. Stop putting these negative vibes on this board.

    Around here in Ohio people seem not to be too excited about this election. I beleive it will be a blowout for McCain. Everyone is too quiet. Not many signs for either party

  92. I agree. If Palin was referring to the both of them. McCain was caught off guard and caved into to Letterman’s ambush. I hate how Letterman guffawed at the end.

  93. Anyone else hear about the kid in Florida who was called a racist coz she wore her McCain/palin
    tee shirt? She was told she was too caucasian.

    Also,
    a repost from shiloh at NQ. No one can even get a copy of BO’s Harvard yearbook. :evil:Comment by Shiloh | 2008-10-17 15:15:40

    Occidental College records – Not released
    Columbia College records – Not released
    Columbia Thesis paper – “not available”
    Harvard College records – Not released
    Selective Service Registration – Not released
    Medical records – Not released
    Illinois State Senate records – “not available”
    Illinois State Senate schedule – “not available”
    Law practice client list – Not released
    Certified Copy of original Birth certificate – Not released
    Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth – Not released

    Harvard Law Review articles published – None
    University of Chicago scholarly articles – None

    Even his yearbook from Harvard is unavailable. No copies to be found anywhere while every other year is available.

  94. It is down to the wire now.

    2 long years of trying to defeat a fraud from taking over the white house. 2 long years of watching the most qualified candidate and her supporters ridiculed, insulted, lied about, disrespected and denigrated. 2 long years of holding out for the promise of a new day, a new direction and a real leader for the American people.

    As citizens the only thing left for us to do is cast our vote against the fraud who was selected by the extremist liberal wing of our once cherished party and to help get out the vote by others. We need to stay vigilant in our own neighborhoods of illegal voting and campaigning and report such incidences.

    I am confident the American people will win this election and will defeat the extremists and Obama. I am confident that if we raise our voices and stand together we can defeat Obama and we will forever be the soldiers of Hillaryis44, true patriots of America and the gaurdians of our freedoms.

    It is now down to the wire and November 4, 2008, MUST be a day of celebration for you and me. LETS ROLL!!!

    Just want to say thanks for all of your comraderie.

  95. BASIL

    Also,
    a repost from shiloh at NQ. No one can even get a copy of BO’s Harvard yearbook. :evil:Comment by Shiloh | 2008-10-17 15:15:40

    Occidental College records – Not released
    Columbia College records – Not released
    Columbia Thesis paper – “not available”
    Harvard College records – Not released
    Selective Service Registration – Not released
    Medical records – Not released
    Illinois State Senate records – “not available”
    Illinois State Senate schedule – “not available”
    Law practice client list – Not released
    Certified Copy of original Birth certificate – Not released
    Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth – Not released

    Harvard Law Review articles published – None
    University of Chicago scholarly articles – None

    Even his yearbook from Harvard is unavailable. No copies to be found anywhere while every other year is available.

    YOU forgot to mention medical records unobtainable – note from Doctor was all

  96. ooops

    there they are

    sorry

    read too fast, but HELL

    WHY CANT WE SEE THESE THINGS?

    Anyone want to storm Washington with me and DEMAND THE TRUTH?

  97. After learning about the Ayers’ “educational reforms”, I have done a 360 on vouchers. I say get ALL children out of the Propoganda Brainwashing indoctrination camps – called public schools and shut them all down.

    Hell, we’d all be better off with home schooling. Sure, many kids would be left out – like they’re not already? Please. I totally agree with Rush – the Black Liberation Theology Movement and ACORN are behind this entire thirty-year debacle, ruining the lives of milllions of AA youth – teaching hate for America, causing crime to escalate, scores to plummet and socialism to take root. And that’s just the damage to that student population, not to mention the millions of other students who have been victimized by the Black Revolution. ENOUGH!

    After teaching in the inner city school setting, I can tell you they are too far gone. Allowing teachers to openly support BHO goes against EVERYTHING the contract states that teachers are required to sign. Public schools are a disaster. Bring on the vouchers – YESTERDAY.

    Therefore, it makes it even more painful to see Colin Powell, an AA leader I truly admired – and would have voted for President in a “heartbeat”, support the “deadbeat” socialist, Marxist BHO. Commander-in-Chief? I don’t think so.What a huge disappointment. Just because Bush screwed Powell over, he shouldn’t take it out on McCain – AND US. SELL OUT. What a waste.

  98. Norma,

    If this all goes to Obama’s character or lack thereof, then I think McCain should do a damning video showing how none of those documents are available to the public… He is definitely hiding quite a lot and I think McCain should go after him on it!

  99. Emjay:In WWII I had to depend on both the Army and the Navy to get me safely to and from the European Theater and The winner will be OK by me.As far as politics it is still Hillary and JM will be my second choice.That leaves The Hustler short and I hope a man without a country unless he produces a valid BC.
    Hillary,stay close and ready.You country needs you more now than any of the 43 before you and that even includes Bill.

    By ABM90

  100. esponse to HilPAC appeal for cash”

    Dear Hillary

    I love you

    I HAVE WORKED so hard for you. I HAVE MET YOU TWICE. I was with FDR. I was a national organizer with 18 Million Voices in DENVER. I have been all over the media FOR YOU.

    I believe in you, BUT I cannot believe YOU ARE SUPPORTING obama for real.

    IF I want to contribute to these women, I will – directly to their campaigns, but I WILL NOT EVER send money to the CORRUPT, LYING, MISOGYNISTIC, RACIST Democratic Party EVER again.

    Obama is a FRAUD, and you are working beneath your stature supporting the MAN WHO CALLED YOU A RACIST and “Likeable Enough”

    COME BACK TO THE CONSTITUTION! ASK HIM ABOUT HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE! ASK HIM WHY HE SUPPORTS TERRORISTS.

    WE ARE NOT STUPID NOR REDNECKS. ASK Lynn Forrester. Ask Jim Hannigan. Ask ME.

    You are losing YOUR base shilling for this man.

    STOP IT!

    What would the Founding Fathers think?

    STOP IT, PLEASE!

  101. anyone else think obama is buying this election and the media? take a look at the money this guy is spending…take a look at the way Obama’s media buys are “bailing out” the television stations…

    does anyone really think the corporate media is going to allow investigative reports or anything negative about obama on the air or in print when he is essentially subsidizing their balance sheets…this is so obscene…if any one else were doing this we would hear protests but with him…nope, corporations and obama are fine…

    but let joe the plumber ask a simple question in front of his house or sarah palin have a rally and the media is on it night and day…to the point of making up that ‘kill him’ story and still obama milks it during the debate and no media, schieffer or anyone else to call him on it…

    I cannot believe what is happening to our country

    http://www.showbizdata.com/contacts/picknews.cfm?id=47994

    http://www.tvweek.com/news/2008/10/obama_tv_advertising_more_spot.php

    btw…O is on every single commercial break down here…it is beyond mind control and brainwashing

  102. Norma Desmond Says:
    a repost from shiloh at NQ. No one can even get a copy of BO’s Harvard yearbook.
    ===============

    In the list of missing documetns, any documentation of these scholarships and summer jobs he claism to have had?

  103. moononpluto Says:

    October 17th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
    according to Survey USA, McCain retakes lead in Florida (49 to 47), isnt it funny, the polls are suddenly coming around to McCain, i guess some are trying to get dignity back before they lose all respect
    ===
    This is because we are getting close to the election and everyone wants to be right. They give the dems so many more votes because there are more registered dems than republicans, that alot of them are Mickey Mouse or dead skews the number. You always see a tightening the last 2-3 weeks. I’m not sure if its really changing or if the polls are just being more accurate since they already did their best attempt at repressing the republican vote.

  104. Therefore, it makes it even more painful to see Colin Powell, an AA leader I truly admired – and would have voted for President in a “heartbeat”, support the “deadbeat” socialist, Marxist BHO. Commander-in-Chief? I don’t think so.What a huge disappointment. Just because Bush screwed Powell over, he shouldn’t take it out on McCain – AND US. SELL OUT. What a waste.

    ===
    I felt that way too, I would have voted for Colin Powell in a heartbeat. Most of American would have. We have a close and dear retired Major friend who served under him and knew him well, I’m not sure what happened to him exactly. He seems to have changed the last few years.

  105. basil9 Says:

    October 17th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
    Jan,

    yup.
    and ya know when he cracked that weak joke last night about not being born in a manger andhe was from
    Krypton (implying he was superman) that he didn’t believe it.

    MOON,

    Now i giet it. rick is bill’s brother and probably knew vera at mills college?
    ====
    That was horrible. He really bombed last night. So he’s not the messiah, but he’s superman??? THat’s funny???? And he was mad. Yes he laughed but you could tell, and then he is all defensive today. McCain got to him. He’s in trouble and he knows it.

  106. Who cares if Colin Powell endorses O, He is not credible anymore. He lost many support when he lied for Bush

  107. Norma Desmond Says:
    October 17th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    esponse to HilPAC appeal for cash”

    ———————–

    I understand how you feel. I gave her campaign the full $2300 and then some and the excess was moved to her senate campaign by my request when she suspended. I even got my husband to shell another $400 or so — who was keeping track in April, May, even June right? Never again. I will think twice before I get emotionally involved in a campaign and throwing my hard earned dollars at these candidates.

  108. S,

    So what happens if he loses big time after spending so lavishly and without conscience? The guy is going to look at the unfeeling monster he is. So many people are poor and homeless, starving and unemployed and he thinks it’s okay to spend money like there is no tomorrow? He is going to look like a loser…the biggest loser of all time.

  109. pm317 Says:

    October 17th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
    Norma Desmond Says:
    October 17th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    esponse to HilPAC appeal for cash”

    ———————–

    I understand how you feel. I gave her campaign the full $2300 and then some and the excess was moved to her senate campaign by my request when she suspended. I even got my husband to shell another $400 or so — who was keeping track in April, May, even June right? Never again. I will think twice before I get emotionally involved in a campaign and throwing my hard earned dollars at these candidates.

    —————————————————————————————————–

    CAN WE ASK FOR OUR MONEY BACK? (SMILE)

  110. As angry as the dimocrats and their surrogates get over the mention of Ayers, it seems that it is hitting the nail on the head, otherwise they would “dust” it off their shoulders.

    I saw bits of Tweety today with Pat Buchanan and some woman from The Nation. She was livid and loud and obnoxious and used the word ‘fascists’ for those who dared mention Ayers.

    ROFLMAO.

    Please phone bank or volunteer for McCain/Palin.

  111. If nObama’s spending money like it was water is any indication of how he run the country, heaven help us all. He could do a lot of good with that kind of money helping the welfare recipients that he wants the wealth redistributed to.
    Welfare pure and simple. Welfare for ACORN to disburse.

  112. Neeta, yea.. (smile too)

    But I am at peace with it. I don’t begrudge the money I spent. It was worth it to dream and she demonstrated to everybody without a doubt that she was the better candidate. But I will think twice next time.

  113. I Don’t regret even a penny of the money I donated to HRC. If I had it to do over again, I absolutely would.

  114. S,
    7:13,
    And this is the SAME media that SWORE up and down and every which ways that Iraq had WMD, Hussein was responsible for the WTC tragedy and was associated with Al Queda.

    The ONLY difference between then and now is at last a part of the population has realized it’s being bamboozled. I just hope it’s enough.

  115. short termer,

    oh yeah. he’s a fine one to talk aboout wealth redistribution. how much of his income did he redistribute to the needy? Wasn’t it les than 1%? And what about Joe-paying-more-taxes-is-patriotic-Biden?

    Wasn’t it something embarrassing like 3 g?

    B@stards. Masters of the do-what-I-say-and-not-what-I-do doublecross.

  116. as a democrat, I believe Powell lost all credibility lying for Bush…

    but……….. I look at it from the republican view, they revere him and hold him in very high regard.

    to us no big deal to US…to republicans it will be much more painful

    who cares?? we don’t….. but BM will be able to rub it in the republicans face and that will sting

    I don’t agree with you guys that it’s not a big deal it will be

  117. Sound familiar?

    “The general tone of the strategy was to encourage the Odinga campaign to claim to be leading in the presidential race regardless of the actual numbers and be prepared to proclaim victory even if Odinga lost.’

    Corsi says BO was part of the Odinga takeover strategy in Kenya.

    hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/kenyan-insiders-say-obama-was-part-of-takeover-strategy/

  118. Debbie maybe it will remind some people of how he lied for Bush. This is what i hear when Colin Powell name comes up.

  119. OK, I have had it.

    You want your contributions to Hillary back ? Just go ask for them. And may you choke on the check, or credit card refund or whatever form you originally sent it in as.

    And yes, I have been keeping a personal list.

    She is doing what needs to be done when you are in politics. What were you doing? Placing bets and now pissed your pony wasn’t first across the line ?

    As an Englishman would say…”Piss off.”

  120. JanH,

    and now he is planning the biggest victory party in history…everything is so over the top with him, how’s that for a country that is basically bankrupt…no humility at all…what i fear the most is we have to live thru at least four years of worshipping “him” all about him…with mccain, there is none of that…as i mentioned previously, mccain is almost too modest…mccain is more like Hillary, let’s roll up our sleeves and get down to business…with obama, it is all about how awesome he is…not to mention the unleashing of michelle…

    obama’s presidency will be all about giving credit to obama … as he continues to take credit for everyone else’s work…

    as i just said to a friend of mine…make sure the mute button is always near by…

    *************************

    anyone else ever listen to ‘the mcglouphlin group’ god, is eleanor clift getting more and more shrill or what…

    John Mcglouphlin (sp) has been one of the few voices of reason thru this whole ordeal…

  121. Emjay Says:

    October 17th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
    OK, I have had it.

    You want your contributions to Hillary back ? Just go ask for them. And may you choke on the check, or credit card refund or whatever form you originally sent it in as.

    And yes, I have been keeping a personal list.

    She is doing what needs to be done when you are in politics. What were you doing? Placing bets and now pissed your pony wasn’t first across the line ?

    As an Englishman would say…”Piss off.”

    ——————————————————————————————————

    My goodness , this was a Joke

  122. Rep. Mahoney admits affairs, says he broke no laws, won’t resign.

    Oh yes you will……

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/campaign-2008/story/730575.html

    PALM BEACH GARDENS, Fla. — U.S. Rep. Tim Mahoney, embroiled in an adultery scandal and a tight race for re-election, admitted Friday to having at least two affairs but insisted he broke no laws and will not resign. The first-term Democrat conceded that one of the affairs began as he was running on a family values platform to replace Mark Foley, a Republican who resigned amid revelations that he sent lurid Internet messages to male pages who had worked on Capitol Hill as teenagers.

    Mahoney, 52, apologized to his wife, his daughter and his constituents, even as he maintained he hadn’t been hypocritical.

    “I can understand why people would feel that way and for those people, all I can say is, ‘I’m sorry I let you down,'” Mahoney said in his first set of interviews since news broke this week that he had a sexual relationship with Patricia Allen, 50, whom he met while campaigning in 2006.

    Allen went to work for Mahoney’s congressional office, then his campaign. Mahoney said she was fired for performance issues, not because of the affair.

    Allen threatened to sue Mahoney for sexual harassment, and they reached a settlement to avoid a public airing. Her payout came from Mahoney’s personal accounts, not from campaign funds or federal dollars, he said.

    Allen has not returned repeated telephone calls.

  123. Emjay..”And yes, I have been keeping a personal list.”

    all due respect to your passion, but please do not threaten people with a statement like that.

    It’s totally Gestapo like, surely you don’t mean it.

  124. Letterman was really condescending when he quizzed McCain about Palin. Would he have asked those questions if he had picked a male governor, I wonder?

  125. jerry brown on hannity now – hannity talking about obama and michelle already ordering caviar, champagne, etc for their big victory party at fancy hotel…and mocking joe, the plumber at the same time…

    jerry brown says ‘ yes, i agree with you sean, now is the time for frugality, modesty and humility’ while people are having trouble putting food on the table…

    yeah, good luck getting obama to show any frugality (with our money) or humility (with his ego)

    ************************

    Idunn…i used the word ‘shrill’ for eleanor clift…that woman could crack a mirror…

  126. As i say 2 weeks is a long time in politics, don’t go ordering the buffet yet Michelle, I’d be careful, talk about arrogance, they think they have it locked up.

  127. The way I see it (and I’m speaking only for myself here)…I supported HRC because I believed she was the best candidate to lead this country forward. The money I spent was an investment in our future as a nation…not as a personal investment as a woman…not as an investment in any individual (HRC included).

    So for me, in order to regret the investment I made, I’d have to suddenly feel that my country didn’t deserve the best, or suddenly feel that HRC wasn’t the best… I dont and I dont. 🙂

  128. Idunn…i used the word ’shrill’ for eleanor clift…that woman could crack a mirror…

    I have a problem with the word “shrill” because it used primarily to mock the natural tenor of a womans voice. You don’t hear people defining men as “shrill”. There’s a reason you don’t.

  129. Neetabug, I knew you wrote it in jest — the standard joke about getting your money back if you didn’t get what you want with it. I am really getting tired of some people on this board using such bad language (“may you choke on the check…” — who talks like that?) jumping to conclusions about people’s intentions and motives. They are not the only ones who dreamed about Hillary, the President or still dreaming about — You don’t own her. Cut the damn thing out.

  130. And again, when I think that except for crimes committed by the DNC and their idiot child, we could have had Hillary! It’s enough to make me cry!

  131. Idunn Says:
    October 17th, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    The way I see it (and I’m speaking only for myself here)…I supported HRC because I believed she was the best candidate to lead this country forward. The money I spent was an investment in our future as a nation…not as a personal investment as a woman…not as an investment in any individual (HRC included).
    ————————–

    Idunn, I don’t disagree with you. My investment next time will be more prudent. I could have fed and educated 6-10 school age children for 2-3 years in India for the kind of money I spent on Hillary’s campaign. Sense of proportion is what I am talking about and it has very little to do with Hillary.

  132. janh

    hope you found you electoral map info. try not to take it too seriously. they keep showing my state (NH) solid blue. i have one word for them…BALLS!

    mark my words, on the evening of november 4th, little NH will light-up like a red beacon amongst the northeast blue.

  133. Time for some Michelle Whitedove predictions.

    Check this out.

    Michelle Whitedove predictions, Oct. 10, 2008

    I know that there is a major event looming either:
    A) A US government plot which will be 911-like, with Bush claiming a state of emergency thus suspending and postponing the election and self imposing his dictatorship.
    B) Another stolen election.
    C) Some other huge upset like the stock market collapse.
    D) An assassination.
    E) All of the above.

    This major event will be the catalyst for our government to instate military personnel for martial law. The ball is in motion, I clearly see that riots are already expected surrounding the elections. I have predicted *Martial Law* being enforced in the US since 2002 now look at the *PROOF that it?s coming:*** *LINK* *VIDEO* *ORDERS* *-

    Hilary* (for all of those that keep emailing) She cut a deal with the shadow government; I still see her in play for the postponed election.

  134. I’m not quite sure how my comment to HRC
    s PAC letter resulted in an argument about wanting our money back.

    I donated to Hillary because I wanted to and I would never ask for that back, even if it were available.

    Just NOW, I do not know the women she is fundraising for and of course, I do not have the cash. I never maxed out with HRC because I COULDNT, but I at least broke a grand.

    So no, I donated to her because I believe in her ability to lead this country. I HATE IT that she shills for Obama, but I am out of the picture now and so is she in this regard.

    But I do not regret my donations at all.

    However, Obama and the DSCC will never get a dime from me.

  135. PM… lol, if it makes you feel any better, we ate scrambled eggs every night for a week because I gave the grocery money to HRC. I’d do it again if I could, but I’m not going to fault anyone who says, “Maybe next time I won’t spend all the grocery money.” 🙂

  136. The Democrats now claiming they’re for tax cuts for small businesses!

    Bloomberg business channel “Money & Politics”—that witchy frizzie blonde congresscritter from Florida was bloviating on and on, but one thing I caught was her saying that, in the coming Spendfest with Pelosi & Gang after Obama wins (the special session), the Democrats were going to “focus on TAX CUTS FOR SMALL BUSINESSES.”

    This is in direct response to the traction received by the message of Joe the Plumber.

    And it is a total lie regarding what Obamba’s policy is.

    Be warned, watch for it and knock this garbage down.

  137. What really pisses me off, is that I contributed all that money, and Obama and his ACORN thugs pulled the rug out from under us.

    That REALLY pisses me off.

  138. Obama’s Plan for Illegal Driver’s Licenses Attacked

    http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_driver_illegal/2008/10/17/141539.html

    Back during the heated days of the Democratic primary, Sen. Barack Obama made a crucial decision to appeal to his party’s most liberal base: He embraced the idea of giving driver’s licenses to any illegal immigrant who wanted one.

    Hillary Clinton decided to oppose such a concept. Her chief strategist, Mark Penn, warned her she could not win the general election taking such a position.

    Now, if a Republican group has its way, Obama will suffer defeat at the polls for supporting such a program.

    The National Republican Trust Political Action Committee (NRTrust PAC) has launched a new TV ad hitting Obama on the issue of licenses for illegals, linking his position to the devastating terror attacks of Sept. 11.

    “Nineteen terrorists infiltrate the U.S.,” the 30-second NRTrust ad begins.

    “Thirteen get driver’s licenses. The 9/11 plot depended on easy-to-get licenses,” a women narrator reveals as images of a burning World Trade Center are juxtaposed with a mock up of Mohammed Atta’s Florida driver’s license. Atta was fingered as the ringleader of the 9/11 terror attacks.

    “Obama is the most radical liberal ever to be nominated by the Democratic Party,” Scott Wheeler, executive director of the NRTrust, told Newsmax. “The driver’s license is just one of many issues that proves it.”

  139. I have to tell you, that is what I like about this blog, total true emotions.

    For many of us, this is the first time we have become involved, and quite frankly it hurt.

    Would I do this again? I am not sure. What I do know is that I would not understand Os shortcomings if I had not become involved.

    Would I give money again? I have tell you, regardless what is going on now, If Hillary decides to Run, I am right there with her again.

    She is not a perfect person, but she is the person I think can best run this country.

  140. Idunn, we became citizens in ’03 and this is my first campaign where I really got into it and because of Hillary, because she was a woman, because she was the best qualified candidate. I don’t regret giving her campaign that money — she is a winner in my book. Regaining a sense of proportion however is important for me now for the next election. But something has to be done about this need for obscene amount of campaign money — look at Obama throwing millions around, sure it is not his money.

  141. alcina,

    I admit to feeling a little shocked when I first saw the numbers, and then I decided that this was just another manipulative/subliminal attack by a bunch of dreamers who have drunk the Koolaid big time…lol… 😉

  142. Idunn…I can appreciate what you mean about the sterotyping of the word shrill when it comes to women…have you heard eleanor clift lately?

    in deference to you and I agree, I did not like it when they used it against Hillary,etc, let me rephrase…Eleanor Clift shrieks, screetches, has a very, very high pitched screaming voice…and she constantly interrupts everyone at that extremely lhigh loud pitch…and that is factual and descriptive, not meant as a word used in reference to a female…i would say the same if say, pat buchanan or one of the men sounded that way…

  143. I have to tell you i will never give money to another candidate. I am done with politics after this election.

    I will continue being informed and educating myself. As for getting involved, campaigning, going from state to state, donating, phone banking, knocking on doors never again.

    Elections are a BIG FRAUD

  144. I don’t know if anyone will agree with me, but I recently read a biography of Elizabeth I and the golden age. I couldn’t help thinking that with Hillary, America could have had an amazing golden age of their own.

  145. You notice countries always do better when Women run them.

    Thatcher, Indira Gandhi, Mary Robinson (Ire), Helen Clarke (NZ), Golda Meir…….

    Seriously we need to get these asses out and get some women in ther running things.

  146. ADMIN or maybe Wbboei…

    I don’t know if anyone here communicates with mccain people but I was just thinking the mccain people should put out an ad that has a plumber, an electrician, a roofer, a high-end beauty hair salon owner with multi hairdressers working there, etc…

    in other words an ad of small business owners that employ people and maintain a building and/or equipment and have them all saying that obama’s tax will effect them and then they will have to pass the cost down to their customers

    common everyday people…i would open the ad showing obama and biden mocking joe, the plumber, and then each of them say, I know what Joe, the plumber was saying…I am a roofer, and the next and I am a ___, etc and have it end with all of them saying they cannot afford Obama’s tax increases…

    they are scrimping to pay their bills now and put food on the table for their family…

    if someone knows someone, please pass this on to them…time is running out…we need some homeruns

  147. damn, that whole licensing thing. takes me back to the october philly debate where edwards and BHOle gang banged our girl. bastards.

  148. You know, moon. I don’t know if women will categorically be better but to think that a wealthy nation which still gives the best opportunities to women in all the world (but only up to a point) cannot pull itself up to give the ultimate opportunity is mind boggling. There is no question, things have to change. That is why Palin seems like a breath of fresh air — she is our age and she is audacious, she does not have the baggage of the 60s feminism or whatever. Her political instincts are almost like Bill Clinton’s. Republicans are better at spotting winners and supporting them — they see that in Palin. Unfortunately on the Dem side, there is a lot of in fighting as we saw in the primary — it is as though they don’t want to win. Other than Hillary, we don’t see any younger stars on the Dem side.

  149. # Idunn Says: LOL…pretty sure the candidates don’t give refunds. 😉
    =========

    Some people got refunds from the DNC, at least in Florida. I think I’ve heard that the candidates official funds might have to give them also.

    Check it out…

  150. (((PM)))) and (((Neeta))) ~ I hear your frustration. And I understand it. I know that does help much, but…it’s all I can offer at this point.

  151. thanks neetabug…i sent it annoyumously to info@mccain and in the general contact us…so often those things get buried …

    I can’t believe what Obama is driving us all to do…reminds me of watching Lynn De Rothschild on tv…

  152. Turndown…if that’s true then I wish I’d given Obama a millions dollars, just so I could snatch it back now and sink his ass. LOL!

  153. # Idunn Says:
    October 17th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Idunn…i used the word ’shrill’ for eleanor clift…that woman could crack a mirror…

    I have a problem with the word “shrill” because it used primarily to mock the natural tenor of a womans voice. You don’t hear people defining men as “shrill”. There’s a reason you don’t.
    =============

    Yup. You said it before I could (and better).

  154. neetabug

    I agree that politics to me really looks like a Fraud. I have stood here, and told them that to their faces. Even today, I was told that the fraud in the Primaries were due to that fact that the Dems ran the Primaries (which I knew of course) and that they have lower standards, so therefore they had committed no fraud.

    I emailed that person right back and said it is OK because the Dems have lower Fraud standard. You have to be kidding.

    That person was really justifying why they were still with the Dems, and I told them fraud is fraud.

    How involved I will be, I don’t know, but there must be people like us who are willing to look these people in the eyes and say, Crooks are Crooks and fraud it fraud. I will not stand here and let you get away with that.

  155. pm317 said:
    There is no question, things have to change. That is why Palin seems like a breath of fresh air — she is our age and she is audacious, she does not have the baggage of the 60s feminism or whatever. Her political instincts are almost like Bill Clinton’s.
    ===========

    I agree! Hillary offered us some good things, Palin is offering different good things. I preferred what Hillary offered, but I’ll sure take what Palin is offering now! Reform of the GOP for one thing….

    And, you know, putting feminism and honesty ahead of policy details. Breaking the glass ceiling is more permanent than legislation, and loss of honesty in the Dem party would be a very longterm loss….

  156. turndownobama-com Says:

    October 17th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
    # Idunn Says:
    October 17th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Idunn…i used the word ’shrill’ for eleanor clift…that woman could crack a mirror…

    I have a problem with the word “shrill” because it used primarily to mock the natural tenor of a womans voice. You don’t hear people defining men as “shrill”. There’s a reason you don’t.
    =============

    Yup. You said it before I could (and better).

    *****************************

    i already addressed this above and reworded my description…if you get a chance try catching eleanor clift on mcglauphlin hour and let me hear your description of how she communicates…

  157. I’m not saying Eleanor Clift isn’t seriously annoying…not by a long shot. But for me what’s incredibly annoying about her is she never shuts up. EVER. EVVVVVVERRRR.

    😉

  158. Idunn…lol…and who does that remind us of in the male species???

    Listen up America! If you don’t want daily 30 minute indoctrinations by your false messiah, then please please please…do not vote for the twit!!!

  159. turndown, Palin is about true democracy for me. We need a critical mass of women of all persuasions and parties at all levels of the Government and getting there is more important than weeding out women superficially and prematurely. Her policies are not too threatening (to me) at this point.

  160. S
    That idea for a McCain ad is so good. Maybe you would like to send it to Lynn Forester de Rothschild. togetherforus@gmail.com I sent her something not long ago and got a very quick response at the end of which she (or whoever it is) said, “If you have other ideas for me, please let me know.
    Godspeed
    All best,
    Lynn”

    Hi, everyone – am on my way out on a midnight run to place flyers in strategic places – have to do it in the dark – BO territory – small community.

    Don’t forget about working the phones for McCain tomorrow!

  161. debbie,

    I meant every word of it.

    wbboei, ABM90, Norma, HillLandRocks, Idunn, Jan, Meiyingsu, Turndown, grape, lHawk, DivaB, and all of us who ate eggs, plain pasta and tunasalad for weeks on end, are all on my list….and many others…

    we know who we are, and we know those who are not.

    Some here are not.

  162. mccain people should put out an ad that has a plumber, an electrician, a roofer, a high-end beauty hair salon owner with multi hairdressers working there, etc…in other words an ad of small business owners that employ people and maintain a building and/or equipment and have them all saying that obama’s tax will effect them and then they will have to pass the cost down to their customers.
    —————————————–
    S: excellent idea. That is what they should be doing. Most small businesses operate on thin margins. Tax increases which sound small to elitists like Dianne Sawyer can make the difference between surival and closure. When a business closes the employees lose their jobs as well, and their families suffer.

    I would expect that a 527 is working on this very theme, since McCain is standing up for Joe the Plummer against Bambi the Bamboozler and his big media lap dogs. That is what they should be doing at this point. The focal point should be the employees of the small business owner. Bambis tax plan would be devastating to the economy. But all he cares about is himself and his weathy benefactors.

  163. Emjay Says:
    October 17th, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    then I’m confused just what list you are making and for what purpose one might be on it

    if you are saying that those on your list are the only ones that sacrificed and supported Hillary then so be it…

    I won’t tell you my story..and don’t put me on your list please

  164. Yo Idunn

    Just got an email telling me a few of us are back into the “How much I did not spend, or eat, or feel warm so I could give $XX dollars to Hill this week, this time, this drive, this month…etc.”

    TeeeHeee…pretty soon we’ll be boasting-talking about the good ole days,,,

  165. lil ole grape, wbboei and emjay…thanks for your comments…lil ole grape…i will follow up on your suggestion to Lynn…our kindred spirit

    Idunn and Jan H and turndownobama…I think we agree on our perception and reactions to both Eleanor C and Joy B…it is so disheartening to have long ago liked some of these people and now see them in such a stark, different light…

    I can agree with ‘ obnoxious and neither one of them shut up” and throw in Joy always goes for the cheap shot…the below the belt BS…she is still telling Monica L jokes…move on for heaven sakes

  166. freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2108454/posts
    The Barack backlash (America takes a second look, and backs away)
    | 10/17/08 | © 2008 Pat Buchanan

  167. hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/kenyan-insiders-say-obama-was-part-of-takeover-strategy/
    DISPATCH FROM NAIROBI
    Kenyan insiders say Obama was part of takeover strategy
    Used 2006 ‘fact-finding’ trip
    to criticize sitting president

    Posted: October 16, 2008
    By Jerome R. Corsi
    © 2008 WorldNetDaily

  168. # debbie Says:
    October 18th, 2008 at 12:09 am

    gawd this place is a drag sometimes
    ————————-

    debbie, I agree. But I am here because I like Admin and want to support/encourage his (I like to think it is a he 🙂 ) endeavor. Skip the things we don’t want to read.

  169. bird

    I don’t know what happened to her – gorgeous house in the snow, beautiful wedding picture on the beach, hunk of a hubby, she had a neat business, smart as a whip, funny and clever, and pushed on us a lot…to our benefit I think…close to Idunn I think.

    Maybe too open to the public…my paranoid self sometimes worries if the bots found her.

    Idunn?

  170. Giving money to Hillary:
    —–

    I gave the full amount for the primary in good faith; I even campaigned for her in 5 states + going to Denver and made numerous calls believing that I should what I can control.

    On reflection since the last month, I do feel a little let down by Hillary in the sense that she is too much of a party person. And I have trouble with that a lot. Of course she is facing tremendous pressure since the financial crisis and its effect in NY state especially, but what Chris Dodd and Barney franks have done to the FF macs and this acorn thing has me troubled.

    What John Lewis said, what Murtha said is VERY TROUBLING!!!

    I need to hear some dems condemning and naming these acorns thugs. And that is a problem!

    SILENCE IS NOT AN OPTION!!!

    And that is why I would think twice about doing this for somebody what I did for Hillary.

    I think Bill has been a little more astute about it!

  171. uh oh..mp, watch out. You won’t end up on the coveted list saying things like that.

    On a serious note, I agree with you that Obama is creating havoc in the party and it will come back to haunt them. I am pessimistic about things getting better for the party by 2012 even if he loses. There are far too many bad apples. On the other hand, these are politicians, they turn on a dime.

  172. I hear you about the Dems should be saying something about ACORN. Voter registration fraud is wrong, and it leads to voter fraud. What ever happened to speaking up against what’s wrong? do you only speak up if it’s not beneficial to you? It shakes the core of our American beliefs.

    And Emjay?. I’ve had it with the martyrdom on this blog and the namecalling and the threats and every other thing. Listen, you got it…no one has sacrificed, donated more, worked harder, cared more and had more passion than you. You win.

    Add me to your list and STFU.

  173. No one in the dimocratic party is speaking out about the ACORN fraud, corrupt nominating or selection process, thuggery, bullying, BO’s shady history, etc., etc. It is shameful that our so called leaders are selling our democracy down the river. I don’t get it. The thought of having BO as POTUS and a dimocratic Congress is very, very scary. We have seen the incompetence of Pelosi and Reid, and it will only become worse if BO wins, or steals the presidency. I am for a divided government.

  174. bird, they want to pretend none of those things happened. May be they will wake up from their stupor if we gave them a good and hard hitting defeat in Nov.

  175. Shenanigans

    This came from Anglachel’s site, in June:

    Anglachel, reflecting on Hillary’s convention speech:
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    Her speech was a work of brilliance. I’m waiting to see the transcript and go over it in detail. It was, first and foremost, a speech about politics. It had plenty of “human interest” and even humor in it. We most certainly got a look into the mind and heart of this woman. But what it was, from the first line to the last, was a full-force evocation of what it means to be a Democrat. In a season where we have been bombarded by bipartisan, everybody let’s hug, don’t say anything bad about the Republicans, don’t be partisan be Obamacan, Unity Ponies for everyone balderdash, Hillary took the party by the scruff of its dithering neck and made it look at the reason we are a party in the first place.

    The invocations of all of her identities became the warp into which she wove the woof of policy, belief, and acts, creating a mantle – Democrat. I am a Democrat for these reasons – these reasons are why I must call myself a Democrat. She was unapologetically partisan in every sentence. She explained, with the examples from her campaign, why she is driven to serve. She gave notice that for her this is a duty and that the hatred heaped upon her has no effect. I was reminded of her words in the blogger conference call – “I am impervious to them.”

    Evidently Chris Matthews said that there was no evidence of defeat in this speech. Why would there be? It is entirely a media narrative, helped along mightily by the pool boys of the fauxgressive blogosphere, that they were “finally rid of the Clintons.” They wanted suffering, shame, penance, begging for forgiveness and Hillary just handed them a steaming super-sized mug of shut the fuck up. As she was never a media darling, they cannot touch her – she is impervious. She walked off that stage the most powerful person in the Deomcratic Party, owning nothing to any of the power brokers because she has given it all to the Party. That is her duty, there lie her obligations, and that is what she is here to defend.

    In the hall, it was interesting to look at the signs. The bright white signs with her signature in deep blue (note from me- I thought the signature was RED…mls) were like lights across the dark background of the audience. At some point, people held up tall vertical signs: Hillary, Obama, Unity. The imbalance in the representations struck me at once. Her first name and the familiarity and comfort that evoked. His last name, easy to chant, traditional political presentation. But the names were not brought together. You had to look at another sign to be given a command (a plea?) – Unity. For that to have been so, the names would have to have shared the same space, a unity not demanded but enacted.

    Hillary presented the case for unity, answering the question “Unity for the sake of what?” (and even answering Lambert’s plaint “And we get…?”) through her enactment of Democratic principles. There was no ire, no resentment, not even the whisper of hurt. Politics is rough, but failure to fulfill your political duty (to the veteran, to the cancer patient, to the impoverished mother), is unforgiveable. Not hope. Not change. Duty. She gave Bill the recognition for his duty that their political opponents meanly withhold. She offered the arguments for why the success of the party was paramount, and in the doing ripped away the prevarications and self-deception thrown out for why unity with her wasn’t possible. She explicitly invoked Bill Gwatney’s pursuit of a Democratic and more just South, crushing the anti-Bubba bigotry with the straightforward truth that the only way to end the ugly legacy of the South is to transform it.

    Many people have talked about Obama as a “transcendent” candidate, someone who is “post-partisan,” “post-racial,” calls us to something higher, and so forth. What Hillary did on that stage tonight was demonstrate what true political transcendence looks like. Surrounded by heart-broken supporters, hateful detractors, an unflaggingly hostile media, and looking at the faces of her colleagues who have treated her in the most despicable way possible for months on end, she spoke passionately and without rancor to all of them. Her personal grace and decency were rivaled only by her political integrity and loyalty. She has transcended the brutality and cruelty visited upon her in this primary. The political ground that lies within her reach has been swept clean of any barriers, impediments or stumbling blocks.

    There is nothing left for her to do for anyone. Hillary is exactly what she showed on the stage tonight – the most dedicated Democrat in the party – and it is now up to the rest to live up to her example, or fail and fall. She has laid the ultimate political trap precisely by refusing to do so.

    This is, I think, what keeps flummoxing the people who want to do her damage. Hillary is a hellacious campaigner and is not above delivering some pretty sharp puches, as she did to the hapless John McCain and pretty much all the rest of the goons and fools in the Republican Party, but she is not out to destroy anyone. (Big Dog is a different matter, and I am now very curious to see how his speech will differ from Hillary’s) When her response to the months of backstabbing, intrigue, smearing, and general paranoid petulance of the Obama campaign is to flash her million watt smile and say she’s ready to win the White Hosue for the Democrats regardless of the candidate and do so with utter conviction and sincerity, there’s really nothing they can do without looking exactly as corrupt and moronic as they are. She owes them nothing after this speech, though she will give them anything that a Democrat deserves.

    Obama wanted to be the Democratic nominee in the worst way possible. He got his wish. Tonight, Hillary showed him the only way out of his predicament.

    It is now all on Obama’s head to show he is half the Democrat she is.

    A
    —————————————————-

  176. This is really funny from Fox and Friends I guess, that blow hard Ed Schultz storms out of an interview, it is really funny. Watch.

    homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/blog/nsu245943793.html

  177. pm317 Says:

    October 18th, 2008 at 1:19 am
    bird, they want to pretend none of those things happened. May be they will wake up from their stupor if we gave them a good and hard hitting defeat in Nov.

    ********************************************

    birdgal and pm317, I am beginning to think the Democratic party is too far gone…it is like obama came in and strong armed the party…now he has moved it to chicago…he threatened and stole hillary’s people…i don’t want to be a downer…but how do we ever fix that?

    it is honestly beginning to feel like the democratic party is actually the Obama corporation…

    it feels like an earthquake took place and a lot of stuff got broken…Bill Clinton seems now happy to be free of all the political machinations and liberated to just do his own thing and good works for the world…

    the trust is gone for so many of us…trust we had in people we used to believe in…how do we get this back? I feel more and more like a Clinton independent every day…

  178. hey everyone, have we beat him yet?? Early voting begins Monday and I will vote and cast my vote for a straight republican ticket on Monday here in Texas. I will be a republican for 2008!

  179. I am skeptical that obama will win the election. I think he will engage in litigation, race baiting and other disruptive practices. But ultimately we will be rid of him and his deathgrip on the party.

    But suppose he wins the general election–what then? In that case there will be a honeymoon with bambi and the press. But sooner or later he will be shown to move from campaining to governing. He will fail miserably in that endeavor and will not run for a second term.

    The first reason he will fail is because he lacks the experience and judgment to deal with the problems. It will take him at least two years to find out how Washington works, and his lazy nature will be sorely tested along the way.

    The second reason he will fail is because he will be torn between the left wing agenda that he used in the campaign and the centist realities of the finacial situation. As Pat Buchanan has noted whichever way he goes there will be a backlash.

    The third reason he will fail is becasuse he will betray the shaman, i.e. magic healer archtype and the feminine persoanlity which attracted to him in the primary when he moves to goverance.
    His supporters will then become disillusioned with him and withdraw from the political process.

    By contrast, Hillarys archtypal role is that of the wise woman or high priestess according to Jean Houston. She is an agent of the rising feminine which has been moving to full partnership with men for 500 years. The loathing directed at Hillary was a reaction to the rising feminen.

    At this point, we cannot say what this means to Hillary’s political future. But if she can remain politically viable 2012 remains a distinct possibility. Today however it is an imponderable.

    am reasonably certain that he will not make it through his first term.

  180. pm317…that ed shultz clip is funny…

    boy they can dish it out…especially ed is always talking over everyone…but he sure can’t take it…

    i’d like to see him and randi rhodes on opposities sides…they would probably knock each other’s heads off…or go deaf screaming at each other

  181. Listening to Greta cleared up something for me about all this ACORN and fraud in OH and other places. All these bad registrations are not a threat by themselves. That is we won’t expect Mickey Mouse to show up for vote at his precinct. Anybody who shows up will have to show an ID and matched against the roll they have and if there is no match, they will only be able to fill the provisional ballot. But the danger with the fake registrations is that if there are corrupt, bad apples within the board, they can actually use those registrations to generate ballots for them from within. So we are not expecting the guy who registered 72 times to show up 72 times but the 71 other times he does not can be filled out by someone else from within. At some point the ballot is separated from the voter identity and it can no longer be traced to its originator. Having seen Obama operate in the primary, I don’t trust him. Brunner is sitting on 200,000+ registrations that are flagged as erroneous and is refusing to give up that info to the county boards to do their own checking. Pl. correct me if my understanding is wrong.

  182. Disclaimer: I don’t want to bash ACORN like organizations because they do serve a legitimate purpose in a democracy and the kind of work they are supposed to be doing should be encouraged. But there are too many Obama-like shenanigans going on here and now and I don’t trust Obama.

  183. Admin, you were wondering during the debate if Obama was getting more speaking time. Well he did according to this comment from NQ:
    —————–
    By the way, I didn’t get a chance to post this the other day, but I watched the debate & using my trusty stopwatch, calculated how much time each speaker got.

    McCain 36:40
    Oblahblah 44.50

    So O got over 20% more speaking time than McCain. Who was that moderator again? What a hack!

  184. Note: here is a more coherent version of what I posted above. Sorry for the confusion.
    —————————————–
    At this moment the general election is too close to call but that does not stop big media and the bambi campaign from pretending it is over. They have struck their faustian pact, and is only a matter of time before payment becomes due.

    My sense is that obama will lose the election. In that case, I am quite sure that he will not go gently into the night. Rather, I fully expect him to engage in litigation, race baiting and other disruptive practices. But ultimately we will be rid of him and his deathgrip on the party.

    But assume I am wrong and he manages to win the general election–what then? In that case there will be a honeymoon period for bambi, the press will canonize him and bots will behold the second coming of their messiah. And, it will be nauseating to people of sound mind while it lasts.

    But at some point, Bambi will have to move from the alice in wonderland world of campaigning to the cold cruel reality of govening and managing a country in the throes of a moral and financial crisis. At that point it will become obvious that there is no there there. He will fail inevitably as a leader for a number of reasons:

    The first reason he will fail is because he lacks the experience, judgment and moral courage to deal with the major problems of our country. It will take him at least two years to find out how Washington works, and he will be sorely tested along the way. He will blame everything on Bush, but the public will soon weary of that excuse. And he will not be permitted to vote present.

    The second reason he will fail is because there is a fundamental contradiction between the left wing agenda he has promised his worshippers and the financial constraints he will be faced with. If he tries to dampen supporter expectations he will be called a sell-out. If he ignores economic realities and implements an aggressive tax and spend agenda he will usher in a depression. There will be a backlash either way and the 49% who voted against him will take him down.

    The third reason he will fail is because in the process of governance he will betray the shaman, i.e. magic healer archtype which defined and differentiated him as a candidate, and made him appealing to so many naive people. When he is shown to be a false shaman, his worshippers will become bitterly disillusioned with him and he will suffer the same fate as all false gods.

    The most likely consequence of his failure is he will crater at some point in his first term and will not run for a second term. What happens at that point is a matter of further conjecture. It may well be that the democratic party label will be so tarnished that no candidate from that party will have a prayer in 2012. Or the country may realize that it cannot trust big media. In that case Hillary may get one more shot at the brass ring.

    Hillary is the archtype of the wise woman or high priestess. She is an agent of the rising feminine which has been moving to full partnership with men for 500 years. The loathing directed at Hillary was a reaction to the rising feminine. It is the dying gasp of the patriarchal system, according to Jean Houston and others. Trends are predictable but timelines alas are not.

  185. wbboei said: Or the country may realize that it cannot trust big media. In that case Hillary may get one more shot at the brass ring.
    ==========

    Rather than wait for the viewers to realize it, I wish the good guys would start online ‘media’ of their own that would be just as easy and habitual as the Big Media but in fact fair and balanced and stay that way.

    Even in tv, Fox caught on pretty well, and by this election people were going to it as the most fair alternative. Build a fairer mousetrap.

    If tv is too expensive, the good guys could at least do something like HuffPo. It’s ridiculouos that when RFK Jr (and later Hillary?) wanted to post something, HuffPo was their best channel!

  186. # Emjay Says:
    October 18th, 2008 at 12:09 am

    Yo Idunn

    Just got an email telling me a few of us are back into the “How much I did not spend, or eat, or feel warm so I could give $XX dollars to Hill this week, this time, this drive, this month…etc.”

    TeeeHeee…pretty soon we’ll be boasting-talking about the good ole days,,,
    ============

    When the world was young

  187. # pm317 Says:
    October 17th, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    turndown, Palin is about true democracy for me. We need a critical mass of women of all persuasions and parties at all levels of the Government and getting there is more important than weeding out women superficially and prematurely. Her policies are not too threatening (to me) at this point.
    ============

    Sorry to rant, but imo the followin cannot be spread to often or too loudly:

    I suspect some people on both sides are trying to keep Roe and abortion continually in balance to whip up extremists on both sides. I DO NOT SEE THIS IN PALIN. She is strongly pro-contraception. She puts much of her anti-abortion energy into promoting contraception and sex education in schools about condoms etc. If she became President, and got into social issues — I expect the first thing she would do is dig into the contraception issue. WHY are current contraceptives not taking care of the problem? THIS IS A MEDICAL PROBLEM DAMMIT.

    There’s a medical solution out there somewhere. She’s just the one to rally all the anti-abortion people behind such research.

    She’s clearly pro-evolution (plus a reasonable amount of free speech about creationism — her FATHER was a science teacher).

    She said Alaska had enough faith-based money stuff already. She doesnt’ like the term ‘gay marriage’ (neither do the Clintons) but in fact vetoed an anti-gay measure

    I think we need to promote fighter women now and quickly, regardless of policy, while the fighter generation is still around, and before they all go soft….

  188. Hi everyone….remember me? It has been so long since I have been here. I know it sounds weired but it just took me to now to get over how the media and the Obama campaign treated Hillary. I think I am just now getting over it lol.

    My comment though is about the atmosphere right now. Is it me or does it seem things are swinging back into Mccain’s corner now? Maybe polls might show Obama up here and there but I feel things are beginning to change in the political climate.

  189. Yes, Caroline, there is a swing back. small but perceptable. Question is if it will continue and get McC all the way there.

    You know that it’s real when every O supporter is screeching on TV that Ayers and Joe the Plumber et al “IS NOT WORKING!!!!” If it wasn’t working, they would be encouraging McC to waste his money.

  190. Good morning to all: I must say that I am encouraged by the increase in discussions about our Hillary.Even some in the MSM or their guests are experiencing a slight show of buyers remorse.I have no argument with doubting thomases when they voice their let down by Hillary.We need to express our fears as well as our joys and that makes for healthy active political arenas that educate and widen our sometimes narrow minds.I respect everyone that contributes dialogue for thats what shapes our political agenda and reduces blind faith that has empowered The Hustler to the verge of tragedy for our country.As for his followers they are a generation of spoiled misled sealed in their own web of indifference to what happens to country and its citizens.Driven by money recognition at rallys and recognition by the MSM has produced a generation of wannabe Jr. Weathermen.What an awful group to try to educate.Pardon my dicey words but in my early days one did not call people liars or not aware of facts.The short and polite statement that was most effective and could not be argued in the short term was to Quote

    “They are young,they are misled,they are vulnerable and they
    Don’t know shit from Shinola”..The Hustler has shined them well.

    Hang in there my friends and stand beside Hillary waiting in the wings.

    By ABM90

  191. Lest we foget.Hannity on FOX sunday nite at 9.Part II of his series on The Hustler and his associates.The October surprise may soon follow.Give up footbal and idiotic TV for one hour.It could save our country from the fate of the Roman Empire.

    By ABM90

  192. It might lighten us up alittle if we DID reminisce about the old days, back when the world was young.

    LOL…remember hanging here during the primaries, and how we’d insult every state we lost, or vow to never again buy their products? “Screw you Vermont! Your cheese sucks!” 😉

    One time I insulted a state, called it’s voters a bunch of lazy asswipes or something, and someone here got made because they’d worked their ass off trying to win that state. (Emjay, was that you? ;))

    Remember the morning the Canadian papers busted Oliar on NAFTA, and Dot (I think) had to go to work, so she recruited Diva and me to write every paper in Ohio and give them the link? LOL! We must have spent the whole friggin’ morning doing that.

    (I’m amusing myself…still, there were some really good times to be had in here during the primary battle.)

    Whatever happened to Hawk and Dot and Divabunny anyway?

  193. Idunn – I remember the NAFTA Day well….

    Meiyingsu had posted a small video link

    I watched it

    spread the news to you guys, but I had to go to work

    and by the time I got home, you guys had it going NATIONAL and it became a real story!

    That was back in the days when the media still CARED about reporting the news, but alas, someone or something got to them and since then, well…you know.

    Sugar had a lot of hands in that day too….lots of contact info. It was AMAZING to read it all when I got in, and I THINK National Review or IBD was the first “real” pub to latch on….

    amazing stuff that was

  194. spread the news to you guys, but I had to go to work

    Yeah! YOU were the one who gave us our marching orders ! I forgot.

    And Sug must have had an address book the size of my house. 😉

    Terrible to say this, but the only nasty exchange I ever had with anyone here was actually pretty funny. Remember Fran? LOL!

  195. Anyhoo…today is the day I do the deed. It actually crossed my mind to wait until election day, you know , just in case a miracle happened and HRC ended up on the ballot. LMAO! But I think it’s safe to just go ahead and get it over with , puke my guts up, and then go spend some money on therapy shopping. 😉

    My vote won’t make a difference anyway, but at least I can take pride in helping my very red state stay very red this year. (Did I really just say that??!!)

  196. meiyingsu Says:
    October 17th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
    here is the license ad
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    bingo! simple, to the point and horrifying. thanks meiyingsu.

  197. debbie Says:
    October 18th, 2008 at 12:09 am
    gawd this place is a drag sometimes
    *********************************************
    forget-about-it. don’t let the clique-mongers get you down. remember, richard nixon kept “lists”. consider it a badge of honor. 🙂

  198. Good morning. 😀

    About the drivers license discussion last night and the link to the WTC hi-jackers, 2 of the 19 lived in my NJ community and got theirpasspors and DL’s about a mile from where I lived.

    One of them lived in an aprtment building I passed every day on the way to work.

    Wish I could get this info to someone. i tried back then to find an outlet for what I knew but failed. Anyone have ideas about that?

  199. RORF!!!!
    Pat Racimora, the cartoonist at NQ always has some funny tidbits.
    Here’s the latest. A Joetheplumber club. hehehehe

    “If you are a small business owner and don’t want the government to spread your wealth, let us know. Join our “Joe the Plumber” coalition by sending your story to FLJoethePlumber@JohnMcCain.com or by calling our “Joe the Plumber” hotline at 850-391-3304. Tell us how raising taxes and “spreading the wealth around” will hurt your business.”

  200. Another COLB lawsuit, this time from Andy Martin, (found at NQ)

    (HONOLULU, HI)(October 17, 2008) Obama nemesis and author Andy Martin filed suit in the First Circuit Court in Honolulu today seeking a court order to open Barack Obama’s secret birth records.

    contrariancommentary.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/honolulu-lawsuit-filed-to-open-obama’s-secret-birth-records/

  201. Caroline — I guess I’m going to have to put a 🙂 in my posts as my humor seems to be lost.

    Did you really think I can’t spell ‘words’? It was a play on the old “I never make a misteak” line.

  202. Idunn,

    My favorite memory of the primaries was when the media was so darn sure that Obama had certain states in the tank…and those were the ones Hillary won big time! Those were great moments! 🙂

  203. Just curious;

    Anyone know WHO shot that clip of Joe?

    Also, are people paid for the use of footge in ads? Does the campaign have to get their permission?

    How does that work?

  204. # Emjay Says:
    October 18th, 2008 at 12:09 am

    Yo Idunn

    Just got an email telling me a few of us are back into the “How much I did not spend, or eat, or feel warm so I could give $XX dollars to Hill this week, this time, this drive, this month…etc.”

    TeeeHeee…pretty soon we’ll be boasting-talking about the good ole days,,,
    ============

    When the world was young

    —————————————–
    Emjay: please tell your friend that no one will ever doubt her loyalty to Hillary, but when I read that confessional I worry. Even in the British Navy a pint of rum was standard issue. Therefore, she must not allow herself to go overboard as they say in terms of forbearance. Lent will not appear again for six months.

  205. Maybe its just me but this whole miscarriage of democracy ceased to be about Senator Clinton back in June. I believed in her, but i am not some crazed fan and I find it laughable when people present to me the argument that she is suporting icky so should I. If it were to come to pass that Sen Clinton chose to run againin the future I would support that but if I could turn back time I would not have exerted the energies I did. Conversely though I wonder had she not hung in to the very bitter end how much would anyone know about bambi. her supporting waffles is of absolutely no consequence for me.

  206. Wow just me all by my lonesome on a Saturday afternoon.

    Gotta say if anyone cares in my little world, the individual who has had the biggest effect on independents is Greta.

  207. I have two favorite moments in the primary One was the time in the flower garden in Charleston West Virginia the day of the blow out primary. She was radiant and everyone there felt so alive. At that point we all believed in her and the inevitability of victory.

    The other was the night of the South Dakota primary when she promised that come hell or high water she would fight on all the way to the convention. In those days we were getting as many as 1000 hits on this site. There was no hint of surrender in the air.

    In those days we all believed in Hillary. To us she was an intelligent populist, a truth teller, and the best hope for our country. I doubt she had any real inkling of what would happen in the next few days that would destroy those dreams. She has recovered but I am not sure I have.

    I was discussing this the other day with a friend who is a strong Hillary supporter and wise individual. Shas gone through the same psychological ordeal we all have. Her admonition to me was stop worrying (I think the word she really used was obsessing) about Hillary, make sure McCain wins and move on–Hillary can protect herself. We have given everything we could for her and start thinking about ourselves.

    In fact Hillary made that same comment at one or more fundraisers. She told high value fundraisers she would surive, they would survive but many others would not if the true democratic values she advocated were not implemented were not implemented. They are similar to those of McCain

    Thus, the question now arises whether the middle class will survive if Obama becomes president. I think he has given his answer not to his high falleutin Harvard buddies but to a working American named Joe the Plummer. And in typical fashion the man asked him a question, he gave him and answer and now he has unleashed the hounds of hell against the man because obama revealed his true self to the world.

    From his own lips we now know what we long suspected which is that he fully intends to put the burden of his multi trillion dollar great society programs and global poverty initiatives on the backs of working Amricans–the invisible peole who are struggling to get by. For those who still ask the question that is the real Barack Obama. Also by his words and deeds it is clear that he is a racist, and that is a problem as well.

    How ironic that big media would try to pass him off as the answer to our financial problems. Again they lie. The party is kaput and would offer no resistance to him. Party unity on the way to hell. Are there any loyal American left in that party? The question is pertinent now.

    The only realistic hope for survival of the middle class is McCain. He is a true reformer regardless of what the say. I remember that conversation I had with senate minority leader McConnel in my living room and how much the party feared his reform instincts. He is the negation of Bush.

    Above all he will push for public finanancing of elections which is the only way to put the American People back in charge. Obama on the other hand will disenfranchise us and protect his wealthy benefactor just as he has always done. Supporting Rezko while his constuituents froze in their Chicago slums is not an aberration. It is who he is.

    That led to a further question what will we do in two weeks or so when the election is over. My friend told me that she has a keen sense of when you need to move on in life. She is an award winning writer and we may collaborate on something of that nature. Time will tell.

    Is anyone else thinking about that question?

  208. Henry,

    I think Lou Dobbs has had some effect as well on independents. And whether Hannity wanted to or not, I think he has had a huge effect on independents as well.

  209. wbboei,

    If, God Forbid, the false one steals the election, then our work is not done and won’t be done until he is painted as an “Enemy of State” for all time.

  210. wbboie
    I always love reading your take on the day but may I henceforth call you WB. Every time I want to respnd I have to go back up thread in an attempt to get your moniker correct, then I’m not so sure and I go back again and then my thought is lost or already covered by another

  211. JanH
    from my small part of the world Hannity is/was biased he could scream bloody murder about wright/ayers/rezko and he would be percieved as “in the tank”. Trust me I agree with a lot of what he has said but as a recovering democrat I know he can be an anethema, Greta, on the other hand, has only recently begun to focus on the myth of obama and his questionable ties and when she does it feels to me that she is genuinelly questionning and not just screaming,

  212. wbboei Says:
    October 18th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    That led to a further question what will we do in two weeks or so when the election is over. … Is anyone else thinking about that question?
    ============================
    Probably we all have, more or less. And I think many of us are very concerned about what will happen to the Dem party. It all depends on who wins, doesn’t it?
    As for us here aon 44, admin suggested a future course for this site. Not many of us said much about it, but I got kind of excited thinking about it. Again, however it all depends on the outcome of the election.
    Did you get an email request from Lady d re ideas for the future use of together4us? I said I’d like to see a website which would be a real watchdog on candidates in each state for all offices. Click on a state and see candidates being vetted. I also said I thought we needed to do more to bring centrists in both parties together to work for a centrists’ platform, because both the major parties have really failed us in elections. What do you think, wbboei?

  213. But I must add GOD bless sean hannity for putting the associations upfront, no other media did. Bless that man….

  214. Wow Ayers must have been creaming his pants with the evolution of the computer age. I bet most of the youth army behind the obama cabal are more angry with mommy or daddy than GWB

  215. LOL…henry,

    I still remember his attacks on Hillary, but like you said, he is definitely a blessing in disguise regarding Obama’s character flaws.

  216. JanH
    Hannity yes. Oreilly no he gave bambi a pass and then attacked Frank withou any sense of integrity. Beyond that oreilly pernitted icky to touch him in an interview. SO SO wrong on so many levels

  217. Henry-the bot who called me the other night called me far worse than WB. So feel free.

    If have since learned more about the bot. As suspected, he is indeed a trust fund baby from the great state of New York. In the salad days of his youth he was fond of mushrooms mostly for their hallucenegentic properties. After listening to his diatribe I wonder if they ever really quit.

  218. I lost a lot of respect for oreilly when he went ballistic aginst frank after having given bambi one of the easiest interviews ever, sad.

  219. As I’ve stated before, I like Hillary as much as everyone else and support her, but when someone doesn’t speak out against Obama and goes as far as to stump for him, then, in my opinion, that’s the same as condoning the wrong that’s been going on. If something or someone is doing evil and you don’t speak out about it, then you are condoning it by your silence. That is my own opinion.

    Being in reverence of Hillary, or anyone for that matter, isn’t any different than the people who are in reverence of Obama. The only difference is that Hillary is a good person and Obama isn’t.

    I think it’s important to keep it into some kind of perspective. I also think it’s important for everyone to be able to state what they think or believe without being shot down or put on lists.

    Sometimes this blog seems too much like what is going on with the Obama camp. If no one is allowed to say what they are feeling about Hillary, then what is the difference between this blog and those for Obama?

    Before anyone jumps on me, just take a moment to think about it.

    In my own opinion, I believe it’s very wrong to go along with someone or something just for the party’s sake. If we did that, we’d all still be with the party, and be voting for Obama, but we broke away to do what we thought was the right thing, and that was to vote Obama out.

  220. WB
    once upon a time in a land called philly I briefly experienced the lifestyle of the friends select/ivy league/smith world. Some of the saddest most fucked individuals one could imagine, But in a few of the extreme priveledged I did sense integrity. What i see lacking in bambi is repect integrty and a sense of humor.

  221. Probably we all have, more or less. And I think many of us are very concerned about what will happen to the Dem party. It all depends on who wins, doesn’t it?
    As for us here aon 44, admin suggested a future course for this site. Not many of us said much about it, but I got kind of excited thinking about it. Again, however it all depends on the outcome of the election.
    Did you get an email request from Lady d re ideas for the future use of together4us? I said I’d like to see a website which would be a real watchdog on candidates in each state for all offices. Click on a state and see candidates being vetted. I also said I thought we needed to do more to bring centrists in both parties together to work for a centrists’ platform, because both the major parties have really failed us in elections. What do you think, wbboei?
    ——————————————-
    Lil o grape: I think you are 100% right. It depends on who wins, but even Bambi he wins it is highly doubtful that he will surive politically in my opinion. The constant lies will catch up with him. The media will support him come what may, and he will offer bribes to people like OReilly–interviews, cash whatever to bring FOX in line. But as problems mount he will become reclusive and try to confine himself to speeches. If we are organized as you suggest then we will be in a position to capitalize on that opportunity. He will use the appartus of government to crush dissent but we will persist and his mounting problems will not go away. The question is which battlefields we choose to occupy. The website idea is a good one. Also, I would be most interested in what our leader ADMIN has to say about this.

    The best hope for our future are the centrist democrats. I can think of some of them in the party today who I admired deeply, who are truly great Americans. They must be struggling with the duty to country and duty to party and in my frustation with the party I made an overbroad statement.

  222. Just another reminder:

    The Citizens for McCain phone banks are up and running. Please help us in our efforts to reach out to Democrats and Independents in targeted regions near you to ensure that we secure the support of every potential voter who could make the difference in this tight race. Please use the link below to connect to the phone bank and begin making calls to these voters who are putting country before party.
    citizens.johnmccain.com/citizens.htm

  223. henry, I like Greta too. She was the one who made BC uncomfortable by asking for difference between someone who pals around with David Duke and would they have accepted it like they are accepting of Obama and Wright. Even BC was stumped.

  224. WB
    once upon a time in a land called philly I briefly experienced the lifestyle of the friends select/ivy league/smith world. Some of the saddest most fucked individuals one could imagine, But in a few of the extreme priveledged I did sense integrity. What i see lacking in bambi is repect integrty and a sense of humor.
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    Henry: it is as you say.

    Ill fares the land
    To hastening ills aprey
    Where wealth accumulates
    And men decay

    (Note: these lines by Goldsmith were the mantra of the Bull Moose party in the ill fated 1912 election which came at the climax of another robber baron era if memory serves.)

  225. pm317
    I have made every attempt to relay the info I have found here and other sites to no avail. repeatedly I heard i was a crazed hillary supporter or a clost racist. Greta repeating what has been said all along is suddenly catching fire. thank god!!!!!!!!!

  226. # pm317 Says:
    October 18th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    henry, I like Greta too. She was the one who made BC uncomfortable by asking for difference between someone who pals around with David Duke and would they have accepted it like they are accepting of Obama and Wright. Even BC was stumped.
    &&&&&&&&&

    She could have made him even more uncomfortable by asking what’s the diff between palling around w/ Duke, or pardoning Marc Rich. (“Ooooh, that’s gotta hurt”).

    I keep forgetting what Marc Rich issue there was; I could look it up, but it would be a waste of 60 seconds of my life. But suffice to say, he was up to some shennanigans and hijinks, by grumpety.

  227. I also saw O’Reilly saying Ingrahm that Ayers thing is inconsequential and she put him in his place but he kind of shouts at everybody drowning them out.

  228. wbboei can perhaps speak to this.. I don’t think there has ever been another candidate in the US history who has broken all rules of conventional fair play but still gets a pass on that and every mistake he has made in his life. Unbelievable. Or are the Dems/media competing with the Republicans in who could nominate and then perhaps elect the most flawed candidate?

  229. wb
    my years in philly amongst the silver spoons have not left me entirely jaded with regards to the sillly over educated trust fund brats in fact one of my roommates brothers is /was seriously dating the daughter of a presidential canditate.

  230. Agree with Leah, as usual. The real rift in the party isn’t between conservatives and m-o-d-e-r-a-t-e-s. It’s between country club Republicans and Joe-the-Plumber Republicans. Peggy Noonan and the country clubbers are appalled… simply appalled at Sarah Palin because she’s not part of the elite. “Real leadership comes from Hahvahd, or Yale… not Idaho Cow College. And one simply doesn’t pull over one’s campaign bus to buy diapers at Wal-Mart. That’s what the hired help is for, don’t you know?”

    Comment by V the K — October 17, 2008 @ 7:18 pm – October 17, 2008

    http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/10/17/peggy-noonan-mispresents-conservatives/
    *****************************************************
    What people think of the elitists on the Right…yeah Peggy we’re talking about you and others like you who are DINO or RINO.

  231. As the big media is so beyond disgustingly in bambis favor it begs to question how does one combat it. Lots of very smart people here. Brainstorm, You are all so much smarter than me we have very little time throw out an idea have no fear of rejection or anticipation,

  232. pm317 Says:
    October 18th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
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    I don’t think we’ve been able to know as much about candidates in the past. This election has revealed the power of the web to vet candidates to an extent never before possible.

  233. lil ole grape
    but to paraphrase a puma and i believe it may have been Darragh Murphy
    we are the ones you have not been waiting for

  234. Fox news reporting Missouri investigating credit card fraud concerning Obama fundraising. People have been opening their credit card statement to find that they have been charged $2300 for donations to Obama campaign and they did not make the donations.

  235. grape, agreed. But why aren’t the conventional rules of engagement applied here once some incriminating information surfaces?

  236. # henry Says:
    October 18th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    lil ole grape
    but to paraphrase a puma and i believe it may have been Darragh Murphy
    we are the ones you have not been waiting for
    ————————————————
    We the people who have access to information on a greater scale than ever before, we the people who have a bigger voice than ever before, yes. But of course, it means the people have to learn to think, to reason, to analyze, to sift the truth from the distortions, so, in a way, the responsibility of citizenship is greater than ever

  237. rjk1957
    a year ago people were telling me I was a paranoid freak when I said never under any circumstances sign an online petition which requires your home address. Today you can walk into any grocery store and buy a 100 visa gift card and send it all under your name to whatever candidat they choose. One would think it would be very easy for the US govt to track an inordinate amount of small dollar payments coming from the ass of no wher
    oops my bad I was drinking earlier and thought in an asssinie moment that it was a real issue.

  238. rjk1957
    a year ago people were telling me I was a paranoid freak when I said never under any circumstances sign an online petition which requires your home address. Today you can walk into any grocery store and buy a 100 visa gift card and send it all under your name to whatever candidat they choose. One would think it would be very easy for the US govt to track an inordinate amount of small dollar payments coming from the ass of no wher
    oops my bad I was drinking earlier and thought in an asssinie moment that it was a real issue.

  239. I just had an interesting converation as to why Obama will lose this election and it stems back to the primaries.

    Remember a little thing called operation chaos that the Republicans did.

    Well this goes to explain why we saw a supposed shift in Dem affiliation. a massive of people who signed up as Dems were actual republicans who changed registration and as such in polls now are being claimed as a surge in Dem polls.

    Now I know why Obama is nervous, those republican voters in places like Nevada and New Mexico and California and Ohio and PA and Virginia that switched affiliation to vote against Hillary but never switched back YET. So the polls are carrying the effects of operation chaos. I always wondered why the shift was larger than what it should be, now i can see it, it was a false one, it explains the big jumps and if my hypothethis is correct Obama is in big trouble election day.

    Not only does he have a bradley effect but a massive amount of republicans masking as dems screwing the weighted polls.

  240. Peggy Noonan: Who Are The Right Wing Nut Jobs?
    So the Republican party today is “vulgar” according to Peggy Noonan:

    In the end the Palin candidacy is a symptom and expression of a new vulgarization in American politics. It’s no good, not for conservatism and not for the country. And yes, it is a mark against John McCain, against his judgment and idealism.
    When Peggy Noonan says that the conservative movement left her thus forcing her to vote for a leftist, if not socialist, this election, it made me wonder: Who are the vulgar Right Wing Nut Jobs that have taken over the party that I hear so much about? I’d really like to know.

    Are church going folk Right Wing Nut Jobs?

    Are those who believe abortion is wrong Right Wing Nut Jobs?

    Are low income people who vote Republican because they believe in personal responsibility Right Wing Nut Jobs?

    Are business owners who believe that punitive taxation is wrong Right Wing Nut Jobs?

    Are Rush Limbaugh’s 15 million listeners Right Wing Nut Jobs?

    Are FOX viewers Right Wing Nut Jobs?

    Are women who give birth Right Wing Nut Jobs?

    Are people who attend state school as opposed to Harvard or Princeton Right Wing Nut Jobs?

    Are Wal-Mart shoppers Right Wing Nut Jobs?

    Are people who get married Right Wing Nut Jobs?

    Are people who work overtime to have enough money for their kid’s band camp Right Wing Nut Jobs?

    Are people who read the Wall Street Journal as opposed the New York Times Right Wing Nut Jobs?

    Are people who join the military Right Wing Nut Jobs?

    Are people who work hard, go home to their families, and drink a beer with their burger Right Wing Nut Jobs?

    Exactly, who, I’d like to know, are the knuckle-dragging weirdos who have thrown the conservative movement into anti-intellectual oblivion?

    Surely Noonan must be joking about John McCain being vulgar. John McCain is as establishment, blue-blood Republican as they get. Sure, he’s got the crotchety temperament and he’s not eloquent. But he’s not exactly averse to state-mandated solutions. He is the guy who works across the aisle, remember? Fiscal conservatives and social conservatives have fretted over McCain’s squishiness when it comes to solid conservative beliefs. And Noonan fears he’s too conservative? How much more conservative can one be without being an actual Democrat?

    McCain has had a hard time taking it to Obama rhetorically because either 1) he’s not so far away from Obama ideologically or 2) he’s too used to playing patty-cake with the opposition–often working those in his own party over. Maybe the treatment McCain has received by the press and the Dems revealed his true friends. It hasn’t been the left that’s been loving, that’s for sure.

    Ms. Noonan, on the other hand, seems to be hedging her bets. She sees an Obama future and fears being on the wrong side of history. Or maybe, she’s just a big snob and choosing a president who is articulate and can turn a phrase ala Reagan matters more to her than the fact that she’d be voting for a socialist with soaring rhetoric.

    If an intellectual such as Ms. Noonan can be swayed by the hope and changiness, then it proves my point. Most of the smarty-pants set ain’t too smart.

    And I’d like Peggy Noonan and Christopher Buckley and the rest of the establishment elites tell me who qualifies as a Right Wing Nut Job. How have they changed the party into something you people don’t recognize? Because from where I sit, the Republican party has been hijacked alright, but it has been by people who have left everything it means to be a conservative behind.

    Congress in Republican control spent like thieves. The last two years under the Democrats have been worse. And it is only the fact that Democrats are worse than Republicans that have many conservatives AND swing voters by the way, holding their noses and voting for McCain.

    So Ms. Noonan, since she’s the writer and seems to be representing the snob-class within the Republican establishment, can share her thoughts. No sweeping generalizations, Ms. Noonan. I want specifics. Who are the Right Wing Nut Jobs and what specifically have they done to the party, because I’m not seeing it. I’m seeing a woman who is sick to death of a leader who cannot artfully turn a phrase and who doesn’t articulate the conservative position well. Well, tough nuts, woman. You need to butch up and deal with it. I’d like the conservative movement to have its version of Barack Obama, but we don’t. We have John McCain. He at least has some substance and it’s better stuff than what makes Barack Obama.

    I’m sorry that the McCain-Palin ticket offends Ms. Noonan’s sensibilities. Four years of Barack Obama would be far more odious, but maybe the Republican insiders need to experience it to understand it. By voting Obama, at least they’ll be popular with the cocktail hostesses.

    rightwingnews.com/mt331/2008/10/peggy_noonan_who_are_the_right.php

  241. JanH Says:

    October 18th, 2008 at 11:45 am
    wbboei,

    If, God Forbid, the false one steals the election, then our work is not done and won’t be done until he is painted as an “Enemy of State” for all time.
    ——————————————
    Very true Jan. If Admin keeps this site open and continues to provide the leadership Admin always does that would be the preferred path forward. The literary idea I am considering is another path foward. We have not yet begun to fight. I would like to think we will rendesvous again with Hillary after this fever has passed.

  242. moon
    i pray you are right but I am very worried about PA\
    I talked to a shit load of blue collar workers this weekend and all are going to defy th union and go repub but will they actually make the effort?

  243. Henry, they will because i tell you why and its the same thing I am hearing from back home, these blue collar workers are finally getting the jist that Obama and his tax policies are going to kill their incomes and on top of that many are getting mad at the attacks on “Joe”, they feel like its an attack on all of them.

  244. moononpluto
    If you look at the number of voters who voted in the primaries the Democrats far out distanced republicans in primary voting. I have a very strong feeling that Obama’s “Be a democrat for a day” is going to come back and bite him in the ass. In words that even Obama will understand “Your chickens are coming home to roost”

  245. Peggy Noonan has turned into a delusional cracker. For someone who grew up in a middle class family on Long Island she has turned into a real elitist. Frankly, I am getting real sick of her. She contributes little or nothing of substance to the national dialogue on issues that matter, and when that is the case it is best to keep your mouth shut. Or, as the old saying goes better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it up and remove all doubt. She is not worth listening to.

  246. noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/18/when-it-comes-to-tax-liens-acorn-is-king/

    Why is Barack Obama giving ACORN $832,000 when it is a tax dead beat? (Hat tip to an intrepid NoQuarter reader.) Before Obama and Biden cast any more stones at poor Joe the Plumber for a $1200 tax lien, they might want to insist that their buddies at ACORN pony up the HALF-MILLION DOLLARS they owe the Federal Government. That’s right boys and girls, according to Louisiana State financial records, ACORN is a mega deadbeat:

    INITIAL AMOUNT: $547,312
    INITIAL DOCKET #: 424212708
    AMOUNT: $547,312
    FILING DATE: 03/10/2008
    INITIAL DATE: 03/10/2008
    UPDATE DATE: 05/07/2008
    Name SSN/EIN Address
    IRS
    PLAINTIFF
    ASSOCIATION OF COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS FOR REFORM NOW
    DEBTOR
    1024 ELYSIAN FIELDS AVE
    NEW ORLEANS, LA 70117

  247. So sorry for bambi if people are rising up to resist his planned take over of America. He may require psycological counselling to get over the trauma.

  248. I just pray that McCain ridicules bambi after his three television network pukefest. I pray he actually does something at the same time. I’d do any American President phone in aka american idol show at the same time.

  249. I think it was Leona Helmsley that said TAXES ARE FOR LITTLE PEOPLE.

    I guess Joe the Plumber from Toledo found that out.

  250. I talked to a shit load of blue collar workers this weekend and all are going to defy th union and go repub but will they actually make the effort
    ——————————————–
    oh . . . . just a wild guess Henry . . . . but I think they will. I spent several days canvassing there for Hillary in Manaca and Kitani. Now that may not make me an expert but it gives me a little insight. The values divide will do it. Typically they do not follow in lock step behind their union on voting matters. Nor will they buy the latest media lie that the economy trumps race and bambi is best for the economy. Bambis inner circle are major contributors to the current mortagage crisis, and there is no way to put lip stick on that pig, to coin a phrase he is on intimate terms with.

  251. HIllbuzz has a brief article on eeyores and the debacle in Ohio and IN. Interesting reading. There will be a more in-depth article later today. Basically, Brunner’s actions have turned off dems and repubs alike, and there may be a backlash brewing.

    Henry:# henry Says:
    October 18th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    lil ole grape
    but to paraphrase a puma and i believe it may have been Darragh Murphy
    we are the ones you have not been waiting for

    ————————————-

    I remember when she wrote that, but I thought it said, “we are the ones you were not expecting.” But either way, the sentiment is the same.

  252. when is that one doing his 1/2 hout tv infomercial?
    I believe the best way to combat that is to make fun of it.
    If only Suzanne summers were a rep alas she is not but i think to contrast his rhetoric with a tv commercial for cbic zarcona would be brilliant,

  253. I think it was Leona Helmsley that said TAXES ARE FOR LITTLE PEOPLE
    —————————————-
    I think she was quoting MO. One angry woman to another.

  254. Joe the Plumber dolls on ebay
    somebody will make a buck on tv
    —————————————-
    I hope that somebody is Joe. As a hardworking American he will need some source of supplemental income to pay for the successive tax burdens bambi will heap upon him–to say nothing of the character assassination that his bif media confederates have heaped upon him. Bambi has silence dissent in his party and aims to silence dissent in the nation as well.

  255. Okay i am out of here but in parting i say Mc Cain must continue to prove to the undecides that he has a sense of humor and continue to magnify bambi’s abscence there of.

  256. Basically, Brunner’s actions have turned off dems and repubs alike, and there may be a backlash brewing.
    ——————————————
    It is obvious from her actions that brunner does not believe in democracy. She has a right to her opinion. The first amendment gives her that right. But by the almighty she has no right to hold high public office charged with ensuring the integrity of democratic procedures when she holds such an opinion.

  257. # henry Says:
    October 18th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    I just pray that McCain ridicules bambi after his three television network pukefest. I pray he actually does something at the same time. I’d do any American President phone in aka american idol show at the same time.
    ——————————

    I think McCain should do an ad that says “I don’t need a half hour extravaganza paid for by your dollars to convey my message, here it is..” and then follow it up with the catchiest phrases to describe the most appealing aspect of his candidacy.

    I will offer the first catch phrase: “I am not George Bush, neither am I Obama, the socialist”

    {Out of curiosity, how much opposition there is among Americans to socialism as a way of life?}

  258. I cannot undersand why hard working americans who are struggling to get by would not leap at the opporunity for bambi to spread their scarce and hard earned wealth over groups who sit at home and watch soaps. As a matter of fact, I think it is racist for them to question the wisdom of the messiah, given his proven track record of success in the legislative arena, his unblemished service to constituents and his distinguished circle of trusted associates.

  259. wbboei, may be Carter should go to Ohio and observe the election there on Nov 4.
    —————————————
    pm- I would not accept him as a neutral. I think the man is out of his mind based on some of the things he has said. Overdoses of peanut oil have been known to have that effect on the brain.

  260. wbboei Says:
    October 18th, 2008 at 3:45 am

    The most likely consequence of (Obama’s) his failure is he will crater at some point in his first term and will not run for a second term. What happens at that point is a matter of further conjecture. It may well be that the democratic party label will be so tarnished that no candidate from that party will have a prayer in 2012. Or the country may realize that it cannot trust big media. In that case Hillary may get one more shot at the brass ring.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&

    wb, I think it is beyond evident that Obama has NO SHAME. In 2012, even if his ratings were W-esque or Pelosi-ish, he and his inner circle would delude themselves. There is no way he’d pull a 1968 LBJ and not run. And as the sitting president, he’d win the nomination. Guaran-frikkin-teed.

    Let’s not pretend the Obama doesn’t have limitless gall; he does.

  261. GOP Files new lawsuit against Brunner in Ohio
    Rick Moran
    Rebuffed by the Supreme Court due to their lack of standing under the Help America Vote law, Republicans have now filed another lawsuit against Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner in order to stop her plan to dump 200,000 suspect voter registrations into the election in a little more than 2 weeks.

    From the Columbis Dispatch:

    David Myhal, a Republican from New Albany, filed a lawsuit this afternoon asking the state’s highest court to issue an order related to instances when new voter information doesn’t match records in state or federal databases.

    Specifically, the lawsuit asks the Ohio Supreme Court to require Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner to order county elections boards not to count any absentee ballot from voters registered after Jan. 1 without first checking the statewide voter registration database to ensure there is no mismatch.

    If there is a mismatch, the boards would be required to determine whether the person is an eligible voter.

    “This action seeks this (Ohio Supreme Court’s) urgent intervention to remedy the secretary of state’s steadfast refusal to fully implement the Statewide Voter Registration Database (SWVRD) in a manner required by both federal and state law — in essence, to share ‘mismatch’ information regarding a registrant’s driver’s license or Social Security information with county boards of elections in a manner that gives those boards a meaningful opportunity to investigate the mismatches,” the lawsuit says.

    The court ordered that arguments by both sides must be filed by next Friday, only 10 days before the Nov. 4 election.

    The problem here is time – something the Ohio high court will no doubt be forced to reckon with. If, instead of fighting the ruling that would have required her to do the checks necessary on these voter registrations to maintain the integrity of the vote, she began the process, then there is a good chance her office would have been able to complete the task before election day.

    But with arguments coming next Friday – a bare 2 weeks until election day – the chances are pretty good that the court will agree with Brunner that there is insufficient time to carry out the task she should have done in the first place and allow the vote to go forward without the checks on those mis-matched registrations.

    The only hope now is that Ohio will not be close enough for those votes to matter. Given recent polls, that is probably a pipe dream.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/gop_files_new_lawsuit_against.html

  262. wbboei Says:
    October 18th, 2008 at 3:45 am

    The most likely consequence of (Obama’s) his failure is he will crater at some point in his first term and will not run for a second term. What happens at that point is a matter of further conjecture. It may well be that the democratic party label will be so tarnished that no candidate from that party will have a prayer in 2012. Or the country may realize that it cannot trust big media. In that case Hillary may get one more shot at the brass ring.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&

    wb, I think it is beyond evident that Obama has NO SHAME. In 2012, even if his ratings were W-esque or Pelosi-ish, he and his inner circle would delude themselves. There is no way he’d pull a 1968 LBJ and not run. And as the sitting president, he’d win the nomination. Guaran-frikkin-teed.

    Let’s not pretend the Obama doesn’t have limitless gall; he does.
    _______________________________________

    I understand your point. But my guess is he will be so overwhelmed by problems, that he will want out. Just remember this is a lazy guy who cannot handle criticm and when it rains it pours. He has not idea what he is getting into, and when he finds out that it aint all beer and skittles he will become reclusive. By that time, someone within the party may mount a successful challenge to his leadership. Who that might be I cannot say.

  263. # wbboei Says:
    October 18th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    wbboei, may be Carter should go to Ohio and observe the election there on Nov 4.
    —————————————
    pm- I would not accept him as a neutral. I think the man is out of his mind based on some of the things he has said. Overdoses of peanut oil have been known to have that effect on the brain.
    &&&&&&&&&&&

    Carter early on was sucking Obambi’s dick. I had respect for him at one point. Now, he’s a fucking joke.

    Gore: plastic
    Gloria Steine: Obamawhore
    Kerry: imposter
    Edwards: male hussey
    Richardson: overweight coward
    Lewis, Clyburn, Brazile: racists

    The list of fakers and sellouts is endless. Their legitimization of Obama is a blight on their souls, and now, in retrospect, Republican and right-wing criticisms about “bleeding heart liberal elites” is suddenly right on the money. I mean, these people are truly connected with big money: Hollywood, Wall St.; Big Oil, Big Corn (hey, I just made that one up), Drug Ind., Insurance INd., Unions.

    To all of you who won’t call out Obama, who like certain Germans in the 1930’s stood idly by as Hitler rose to power and said nothing, you have played along for your own self-interest. You did not stand up to Obama & Cabal as they stole elections. Brunner in OH is now willing to fight for the right of dead people to vote. Awful nice, so often, the dead cannot vote. It is nice to see, that as Halloween approaches, they will be voting in record numbers for a new Messiah.

  264. The Supreme Court has erred in its decision which has the practical effect of sanctioning the massive fraud which has occurred. It reminds me of something Justice Jackson once said: the Supreme Court is not final because it is infallible, but infallible because it is final. In this case, where the interests of the American People were at stake, they have shown themselves to be eminently fallible. These are dark days for our democracy when the highest court in the land does this sort of thing. If it was going to err it should have erred on the side of protecting the integrity of the vote.

  265. wbboei Says:
    October 18th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    wbboei, may be Carter should go to Ohio and observe the election there on Nov 4.
    &&&&&&&&

    I have lost all respect for Carter. All the useless pieces of shit Dems are like Germany in 1930 making way for the charismatic new candidate.

    Carter: joke
    Gore: plastic
    Steinem: Obamawhore
    NARAL: Obamasluts
    Clyburn, Lewis, Brazile: racists
    Edwards: male slut
    Kerry: a dill pickle

  266. Reader’s VIEW: Refreshing — Palin is one of us

    Published:
    Saturday, October 18, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
    Dear Editor,

    While I was shopping at Wal-Mart in Gallipolis, Ohio, Sunday, the big bus of John McCain/Sarah Palin pulled into the parking lot.

    Gov. Palin went inside the store and bought diapers for her baby. I was only two feet from her when she entered the checkout line. It was so great to see a candidate I am voting for. She is one of us, just another American who believes the American way of life.

    It is truly great to live in America. Gov. Palin brings a breath of fresh air to state politics.

    Sincerely,

    Frankie Bumgarner,

    Point Pleasant

    http://www.mydailyregister.com/articles/2008/10/18/opinion/letters/edit00.txt

  267. More about Polls:

    over-sample this.

    Questions: “Democrats”, according to pollsters, include:

    a) Republicans who became “Democrats for a Day” as Obama wanted, to get rid of the stronger Hillary
    b) run-of-the-mill Democrats who are not enthusiastic about Obama, but will *probably* vote for him, or maybe not show up
    c) Enthusiastic Obama supporters with pins on their shirts and yard signs
    d) 50% of Hillary supporters who are angry that their party did not hold a fair primary, and then had a fake meeting on 5/31, and had a fake roll call in Denver.
    e) all of the above

    Knowwhutimean?

  268. More than 25,000 Hoosiers welcome veep hopeful Sarah Palin to Noblesville
    Sat. October 18, 2008; Posted: 02:31 PM
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    Oct 18, 2008 (The Tribune-Star – McClatchy-Tribune Information Services via COMTEX)

    A sea of red erupted for Sarah Palin on Friday afternoon, as more than 25,000 Hoosiers welcomed her to Noblesville like out-of-state family.
    “Sarah Palin could easily hail from Indiana,” Lt. Gov. Becky Skillman told the standing crowd at the Verizon Wireless Music Center outside Indianapolis, about 5:30 p.m. “… any one of its small towns.”

    Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee and governor of Alaska, took center stage amidst an overflowing crowd where VIP tickets merely assured entrance after hours in line.

    Thousands of supporters, many wearing red shirts or waving red pom poms, were herded through the walkways and grassy areas of the open air pavilion by Secret Service and safety officials noting fire regulations.

    “This is more people than I’ve ever seen here for any concert,” said Wabash Valley Journal of Business publisher Bob Flott, one of dozens of Vigo County Republicans who made the drive for Friday afternoon’s appearance.

    And despite the topics discussed, the concert atmosphere was unmistakable as country music artist Aaron Tippin opened for her before cranking the stereos up for music ranging from Credence Clearwater Revival to AC/DC.

    Palin herself came onstage to thunderous applause as Travis Tritt’s “Where Corn Don’t Grow” blared from the speakers, and she offered her respects by noting that her favorite movie has long been “Hoosiers.”

    Palin spoke for nearly an hour, dotting her speech with humor as she noted past performances with “mainstream media” which she joked gave “Tina Fey more material” for Saturday Night Live skits.

    But on the topic of politics, Palin got down to business quickly, fighting for her running mate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., over Democrat rival Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.

    “There’s only one man in this race who has ever really fought for you,” she said as the crowd chanted “John McCain! John McCain!”

    Palin was quick to criticize Obama’s tax plans, notably what she said amounted to $1 trillion in new spending.

    “What do you do when you’re in a hole and you don’t want to be there?” she asked. “The first thing you do is stop digging.”

    Palin said she and McCain will fight what is predicted to be a $10 trillion deficit by freezing spending and balancing the federal budget.

    And from overseas wars to energy policy to a pending federal investigation into alleged voter registration fraud by Acorn, Palin said America can’t afford to put Obama in a position of trust.

    “It sounds a lot like socialism,” she said of Obama’s “true intentions to spread the wealth,” adding that “John McCain is the only man in this race who when he talks about the wars America is fighting, he isn’t afraid to use the word ‘win’ … It would be nice if just once Sen. Obama would say he wants us to win.”

    Palin said she and McCain are calling on Obama to release records of his fiscal relationship with Acorn, a community action group recently investigated for alleged election registration fraud by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in many states.

    Palin called on Hoosiers to come out for what she said is sure to be a close race, noting that “you know something about close races here,” hailing Indiana as home to the Indianapolis 500.

    “Indiana, soon the choice will be yours to make,” she said. “Are you ready to help carry this state to victory? … Are you ready to send us to Washington, DC., to shake things up?”

    Throughout the hour, chants of “country first,” “we love Sarah,” and “John McCain” broke through as the candidate plugged hard to maintain the state’s 44-year tradition of going Republican in the presidential election.

    “I thought it was very strong,” Flott said, noting the “palpable excitement” in the crowd and powerful reception Palin received.

    Vigo County Council at-large candidate Tim Hennessy also traveled to Noblesville along with his wife, Michelle, both describing it as “powerful.”

    “I particularly enjoyed her thoughts on protecting small-business owners as that’s part of my campaign platform,” Hennessy said.

    Vigo County Republican Party volunteer Dewayne Cress agreed in his assessment of the performance, and said the excitement has carried over throughout this year’s campaign.

    Cress, a volunteer at the Republican Party headquarters, does not accept pay for his time, while many of the Obama workers do, he said.

    Eighteen days remain until the election.

    http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1952872/
    *****************************************************
    Palin has so much political skills….BO which he was that good, unless Peggy Noonan and other speech writers put his thoughts and words on a teleprompter, Obama will hmm and haw you to death.

  269. Rich Plumbers?

    The joe the plumber quote from Obama:

    “This is the guy John McCain is fighting for…how many plumbers do you know making a quarter million dollars?”

    &&&&&&&&

    Ummm, at $75 a service call, parts and labor, most plumbers I know make over let’s say $60,000 / yr. Easy. Some have prospering businesses, and make over 100K. Could some of the better businessmen, with several trucks and a few guys working under them, or what is frequently called a “contractor”, be making 250K and up? Why, soytenly!!

    If JtheP was thinking about buying a business, even if he currently did not have a plumbing business or license, his question regarding taxation was and is still valid, even if was hypothetical:

    “Senator Obama, I’m thinking of opening a pornagraphy store, for which I don’t yet have a license, and I have crunched the numbers and expect to make 300K next year; how would your tax plan affect my ability to provide jobs for the local economy, plus the occasional cheap thrill?”

  270. pm:wbboei can perhaps speak to this.. I don’t think there has ever been another candidate in the US history who has broken all rules of conventional fair play but still gets a pass on that and every mistake he has made in his life. Unbelievable. Or are the Dems/media competing with the Republicans in who could nominate and then perhaps elect the most flawed candidate?
    ———————————————-
    As I look back in history, there is no precursor to this. However there are parts of his character remind me of Aaron Burr.

    Burr was a charamatic leader who is best remembered for killing Alexander Hamilton in a duel and thus ending the Federalist Party which was he party of Washington and Adams the elder.

    He was a megalamaniacal person who put his own interests ahead of those of the country. I am not prepared to say Bambi is Burr just because they may or may not share certain tendencies.

    From Wikkopedia:

    Aaron Burr: Burr left the Vice Presidency at the end of his term in 1805, he journeyed into what was then the U.S. West, particularly the Ohio River Valley area and the lands acquired in the Louisiana Purchase.

    While historians are uncertain as to Burr’s particular activities, he was accused in turns of having committed treason, of a conspiracy to steal Louisiana Purchase lands away from the United States and crown himself a King or Emperor, or of an attempt to declare an illegal war against Spanish possessions in Mexico.

    He did go so far as to form his own regiment of at least 200 men. Burr was arrested in 1807 and brought to trial on charges of treason, for which he was acquitted. After several years in self-imposed exile in Europe, Burr returned to practicing law in New York City and lived a largely reclusive existence until his death.

  271. the democrats answer to Secretary of State Katheline Harris = Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner

    all the hoop and hollering didn’t mean a thing did it dems?

    and you call yourselves the party of change?

  272. henry,

    O’Reilly has lost all credibility with me. He loves to hear himself talk as do a few other wannabe journalists who shall not be named.

  273. carby, you continually bring up really good stuff. thnx.

    At this point, I am thinking that Palin is the wild card, that she is the most dynamic person of the four.

    Biden: piece of wood, inspires me to check my credit card rates to see if they suddenly went up.

    Obummah: Corrupt pol willing to use Gestapo techniques to stifle dissent.

    Mcain: Feisty. Real. Track record of working across the aisle gives me comfort that a “parent” would be in charge.

  274. debbie,

    The way everything has turned upside down, I wonder now if I’d suddenly start liking Katherine Harris.

    I wonder if she’s supporting McCain or Obama?

  275. “The way everything has turned upside down, I wonder now if I’d suddenly start liking Katherine Harris.”

    YIKES

    I’ll never forgive her for giving us GWB Gore would have been so so much better.

    Ironically, the Bush administration ignored her pleas for help in her elections. 🙂

  276. wbboei can perhaps speak to this.. I don’t think there has ever been another candidate in the US history who has broken all rules of conventional fair play but still gets a pass on that and every mistake he has made in his life. Unbelievable. Or are the Dems/media competing with the Republicans in who could nominate and then perhaps elect the most flawed candidate?
    ——————————————–
    PM: Aaron Burr. He was vice president to Jefferson, killed Hamilton in a duel, and put his own interests before those of the nation.

    To be clear however I am not saying Bambi is not Burr . The only thing I am suggesting is that there are but certain parallels in their respective
    personnas that warrant concern.

    From Wikkopedia:

    After Burr left the Vice Presidency at the end of his term in 1805, he journeyed into what was then the U.S. West, particularly the Ohio River Valley area and the lands acquired in the Louisiana Purchase.

    While historians are uncertain as to Burr’s particular activities, he was accused in turns of having committed treason, of a conspiracy to steal Louisiana Purchase lands away from the United States and crown himself a King or Emperor, or of an attempt to declare an illegal war against Spanish possessions in Mexico.

    He did go so far as to form his own regiment of at least 200 men. Burr was arrested in 1807 and brought to trial on charges of treason, for which he was acquitted. After several years in self-imposed exile in Europe, Burr returned to practicing law in New York City and lived a largely reclusive existence until his death.

  277. So while the Bots plot vengeance, the DNC and Obama commit crime after crime, if Operation Chaos was the success it was said to be, in which case throwing Hillary under the truck, and finally, if McCain wins because of this…

    then the Republicans are laughing themselves silly at everyone and I am heartily sick of the corruption between both parties just so Hillary could be denied the highest office in the land!

    To hell with both parties then because this mockery of justice just belittles everything America is supposed to stand for.

    While I would much rather have McCain win than Obama, this still makes me see red!

  278. FOX news is the only place for a balanced view. Note I did not say FAIR. they are heavy handed with democrats and forgiving of republicans.

    I appreciate them though, because, at a time when I was looking for an honest view of BHO they gave it.

    O’Reilly is phoney and way too big headed, but I like that he has Laura Ingram on and lets her host his show when he is not there.

    This, I guess, was the year to call out the extremist liberals for who the are and FOX gladly obliged.

  279. Idunn

    Sorry, I am a slow starter today.

    Yeah, it probably was me…don’t forget, Iowa was the first state, and the first caucus state to experience precincts being bowled over by what we came to know as the “Alinsky Method” of intimidation…plus we were the first to experience the takeover the caucus leadership actions later displayed so hugely in Texas and Washington.

    So yes, I was mad, mostly because people, including the campaign staff, could not see the pattern yet. Only those of us on the ground could see and feel it.

    Plus, don’t forget, this was where Patti S Doyle was sent to “take charge.” I won’t even go there- maybe some of the Hillstars and HillFriends who came from out of state could give us all a more balanced portrait…my analysis is still so full of disdain for the salaried Arlington Hdqtrs set, I need to keep my mouth shut.

    Hawk has his own blog site…he comes here on occasion, and I will try to find his site for you. s for DivaB, I have looked, I have mentioned he here, hoping she would come out….for some reason I thought you might know more about Diva…

    Dot48, last I heard or read, was 1) in the middle of her 2nd, 3rd, or 4th real estate offer…2) and was fighting a few on this site she thought were trolls…remember our troll infestations?

    I think of her several times a week and pray she was as lucky as basil9 to get out whole, or at least mostly so. She also cares for her unwell husband, as well as being disabled herself.

    I miss them all, but am glad for many of those still here, new, old, and reformulated….Including you, Holy water and all.

  280. Correction to the above disclaimer:

    To be clear however I am not saying Bambi is Burr. The only thing I am suggesting is that there are parallels in their respective personalities that warrant concern and continuing observation. History never repeats itself but human nature and archtypal personalities are a continuing theme.

  281. Idunn

    Forgot to ask, aren’t you the one who used to go out behind the barn and play with the new kittens to calm down and get reconnected with the real world?

  282. emjay, thanks for the background and bios of our old friends.

    PSD (Patti Solis Doyle): a bad drug, it seems to provide you years of trust, comfort, and support, and will turn on you faster than a Democratic Rules and Bylaws Committee can misappropriate your delegates. Do not try or use PSD, it can be fatal.

  283. Emjay:emailed your 4 am missive to myself–want to send it to my Hillstar friend in VA…is that ok?
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    fine with me emjay.

  284. To hell with both parties then because this mockery of justice just belittles everything America is supposed to stand for.
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    Jan: this is what I have been saying all along. George Bernard Shaw once said every profession is a conspiracy against the laeity. Well . . . . I say every political party is a conspiracy against the laeity. There are only two remedies for this that I know of. First, if you find a candidate you believe in, then fall in love with them and support them in every way–for the thrill of it. You may acutally make a difference. Second, if you are forced to deal with the lesser of two evils, go for character and forget party label. That is the only surefire way to redeem that has let you down.

  285. I have a good instinct that Obama’s mother was a fully fledged communist, thats where all of this came from, she brought him up to have communist tendancies, thats where all this is coming from. I think she hated America.

    One of her prime reasons for divorcing Soetoro was “He became more American,” she once said, “as she became more Javanese.”

    When Ann Dunham arrived in Hawaii, she was a full fledged radical leftist and practitioner of “Marxist critical theory.

    During Obama’s campaign for the 2008 presidential election he portrayed his mother as a conservative girl from Kansas; however in reality she was a radical leftist and cutural Marxist. She lived in the Seattle area; spending her teenage years in Seattle’s coffee shops with other young leftist radicals. Obama claims his mother’s family were conserevative Methodists or Baptists from Kansas. However his mother’s parents were members of a left-wing Unitarian church near Seattle. The church located in Bellevue, Washington was nicknamed “the little red church,” because of it’s communist leanings.

    So its all from the mother, why is no one looking at the fact that this guy has been brought up and brainwashed into being what he is. That Mother of his has a lot to answer.

    The “sins of the mother” indeed.

  286. Forgot to ask, aren’t you the one who used to go out behind the barn and play with the new kittens to calm down and get reconnected with the real world?

    Not new kittens (that may have been Dot), but I AM the one who takes in all the injured strays and wildlife and rehabilitates them in order to stay connected with life (in the humanity sense). For calming purposes, I hike up to our ridge and talk to birds. No kidding. Sounds crazy, but it works every time. 😉

    By the way, Emjay , we are all different people (and thank the god/goddess for that!). There isn’t a single one of us who doesn’t have something about us that “goes against the grain” from time to time. That’s simply part of being human. But…for me, I’d rather witness someone going alittle over board in their passions than to have no passion at all. So, when you got so ticked off at me for picking on your state, I not only didn’t get bent out of shape over it…I actually smiled in admiration for a woman who put so much of herself into something that she cared enough to defend it. Good on ya, girl! 🙂

  287. Oh yeah, forgot to tell you guys that I went and “did the deed” this morning. Don’t be mad at me, but I voted for Obama. I think we;ve been persecuting the man, so I atoned for my sins.

  288. rgb44hrc Says:
    October 18th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    I was thinking about this today. In light of his ego needing a guaranteed audience and pre-empting what would be a sixth game of the World Series, Obama, I conjecture, is so entranced with his own ego, that should he get POTUS standing, he will be on tv once a week, because he MUST interrupt our lives with his face. He will pre-empt and demand network time for any reason under the sun.

    He will be Mousillini (sp) Kim, Chavez and Castro combined. And as a result of the Cable (gonna make you pay to watch) act and HD, we will all see him in crystal clear Obamavision.

    I’m thinkin’ since all the media are liars, and all the TV Cable folks have forced us into either spending money we cannt (or dont want to ) afford, and/or the Govt will give us all a $40 coupon, the next 4 years w/o television will be great.

    I can catch up on my American Literature. If there is any left in the stores other than Dream of My Father and the Audacity of Hope….

  289. wbboei,

    If it weren’t for the fact that McCain is indeed a maverick and a hero, I think my disillusionment would be complete.

  290. janH,

    I tend to agree. However if you follow the money there is a clearer pattern.

    In the 90s the Clintons healed the economy and started paying the National Debt — showed a way that worked — and for reward were impeached. (Whose side were the media on? Dunno.) In 2000 Gore offered to continue that good approach — and was destroyed by the media, for no apparent reason. Now here it was the same with Hillary and now McCain/Palin.

    Whenever a REAL reformer comes along, the media goes after them — regardless of the reformer’s ideology or party! (Including Goldwater?)

    Corrupt money is equal-ideology. It goes where it finds an opening. In a Daley or TAmmany Hall situation, it promotes Democrats and rips off government grants. In a Reagan or Bush situation, it invests in HMO’s.

    What wbboei said makes sense: find an honest reformer type and stick with her. Or, while Corrupt Money waters the weeds on both sides (such as Bush AND Obama) — let us support the honest reformers whichever side they turn up in, regardless of what their priorities are?

    But — one part of this cycle we CAN affect — is the casual voters’ habits of going to Big Media for their news. Look, any bloody thing that any feeble person does on their own blog about cooking or whatever — is one more minute that at least a few other people are NOT watching Big Media.

  291. Oh yeah, forgot to tell you guys that I went and “did the deed” this morning. Don’t be mad at me, but I voted for Obama. I think we;ve been persecuting the man, so I atoned for my sins
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    Idunn: Were you a troll from the beginning?

  292. Idunn….I have two ballots ready to go!

    THAT is because you are the radical artist type. I, on the other hand , simply wanted to excution to be over with quickly. 😛

    (First time in my life I ever cast a ballot for a Republican, but ya know , it really wasn’t all that bad. ) 🙂

  293. Idunn: Were you a troll from the beginning?

    Yep. And you guys never even suspected me. ME, of all people! Muwah ha ha ha ha!

  294. Idunn said: By the way, Emjay [….]
    I’d rather witness someone going alittle over board in their passions than to have no passion at all. So, when you got so ticked off at me for picking on your state, I not only didn’t get bent out of shape over it…I actually smiled in admiration for a woman who put so much of herself into something that she cared enough to defend it.
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    About Iowa having caucuses? I thought that was refreshing — and valuable! We were all talking about changing the system and thinking that only corrupt people favored caucuses in the first place. She showed us waht we would be up against, how honest local people really felt! Its great to have a differing perspectve expressed soclearly and naturally — as we’re likely to run into if we push such a line.

    Also it shows that h4 is a safe place for honest casual discussion, a wide open, freah air atmosphere.

  295. Oooh SNAPPPP!! Go Cindy, Go!!

    gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/10/18/you-have-not-tried-to-find-barack-obamas-drug-dealer/#comment-2506254

    P.S. Turndown, I agree. I like Big Pink in all it’s phases…funny, combative, honest , devious , when it’s a war zone and when it’s a peace zone. because LIFE is all those things. 🙂

  296. moon,

    I agree that Obama’s white family are not the ‘nurse from Kansas’ types that he presents. See ironmyvote.com/#obamabackground for good pre-koolaid profiles, especailly his mother. And the Sailer link re white guilt liberals.

    Didn’t his mother, an atheist/agnostic, collect different bi-racial children by different husbands, then take them to different festivals and give them different toys etc according to each one’s color!

    Thus giving Obama an impression that Hawaii street thugs were somehow more “his people” than his white family. (See DREAMS).

  297. Ha! I was right ! It IS Mutual bank the feds are looking into!

    therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/

    (Patting self vigorously on the back…Idunn, you clever clever girl!)

  298. You figured out the Vera Baker/ Rick Ayers thing…I figured out the Obama/Rezko/ Giannoulis/ Mutual Bank of Harvey thing…that makes us 1 for 1, my friend. 😉

    Race ya for the next point. 😛

  299. Damn, and I argued with people for days over their steadfast conviction it was Broadway Bank.

    I need to find some bitches and gloat! 🙂

  300. # wbboei Says:
    October 18th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    wbboei, may be Carter should go to Ohio and observe the election there on Nov 4.
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    pm- I would not accept him as a neutral. I think the man is out of his mind based on some of the things he has said. Overdoses of peanut oil have been known to have that effect on the brain.
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    Yes, I agree. My original statement had sarcasm since he goes abroad to check on third world elections and Ohio under Obama/Brunner has become one such.

  301. Idunn, if you figured out it was not Broadway but Mutual Bank of Harvey, hats off to you. Truthteller at NQ had a couple of posts telling us it was Mutual (when Hillbuzz went after Broadway).

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/12/about-the-financial-institution-mentioned-in-the-sun-times-obama-tony-rezko-amrish-mahajan-the-kenwood-mansion-rita-rezko/

    Are you truthteller? 🙂

  302. Idunn, you and I could make a great pair of investigative journalists, much more than the current crop of shit.

  303. Are you truthteller?

    I can not say. 😉

    Idunn, you and I could make a great pair of investigative journalists, much more than the current crop of shit.

    Seriously. After the election we should start our own Pinkerton-type agency. We’re getting really good at this spy v/s spy stuff, Moon. 🙂

  304. Great site, I’ve been lurking here for 3 months.

    Admin I go into a panic everytime I dont see anything new for a few days.

  305. I’m not sure what these lists are about, but pls put me and 1950democrat on the same one.

    g,d,r

  306. Idunn Says:
    October 18th, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    Are you truthteller?

    I can not say.

    Idunn, you and I could make a great pair of investigative journalists, much more than the current crop of shit.

    Seriously. After the election we should start our own Pinkerton-type agency. We’re getting really good at this spy v/s spy stuff, Moon.

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    And every moment spent reading y’all’s blog, will be one less moment reading MSM.

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