Joe – The Plumber

John McCain, possibly by design, but more likely by pure luck, has forged a powerful weapon in his tough fight against the inexperienced, and unqualified Barack Obama.

Joe – The Plumber, makes a quintessential argument from the “rugged individualism” strain of American politics which emphasizes individual responsibility. Joe – The Plumber, makes the argument with a great deal of credibility and in a more erudite way than any Republican leader today.

“Joe The Plumber” has weighed in on Wednesday’s presidential debate and he says that Barack Obama’s tax plan “infuriates me.”

“To be honest with you, that infuriates me,” plumber Joe Wurzelbacher told Nightline’s Terry Moran. “It’s not right for someone to decide you made too much—that you’ve done too good and now we’re going to take some of it back.”

“That’s just completely wrong,” he added.

Yesterday, Obama’s “spread the wealth” quote made unwanted news for Obama. What struck us is how a very simple question from Joe – The Plumber, led to a full tour of the Obama bamboozlement and flim-flam technique.

Obama did his utmost to cover up the simple answer to a very simple question. Obama even tried to get Joe – The Plumber to get on a time machine and imagine how wonderful things would be if things were the way Obama creates in the past. The bottom line however is that, even as Obama acknowledged the value of small businesses to job creation, the simple answer to Joe – The Plumber’s simple question to Obama is “Yes”.

ABC News wrote up the rise of Joe – The Plumber (though the article is more an Obama campaign dictated defense against Joe – The Plumber):

The plumber’s brush with fame began on Sunday when he confronted Barack Obama outside of Toledo, Ohio. Wurzelbacher challenged the Democratic candidate on his plan to raise taxes on the top five percent of earners — a policy which would, by the Obama campaign’s own estimation, mean higher taxes for 184,000 small businesses.

“I’m getting ready to buy a company that makes 250 to 280 thousand dollars a year,” Wurzelbacher told Obama. “Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?”

It did not take long for Joe – The Bankers’ Biden, to attack Joe – The Plumber. Joe – The Bankers’ Biden, thinks Joe – The Plumber is somehow less than genuine, and somehow “rich”.

Obama supporters immediately joined in the trashing of Joe – The Ordinary Citizen Plumber.

John McCain has forged a powerful weapon in Joe – The Plumber.

John McCain better take full advantage of the powerful weapon he has in Joe – The Plumber.

In a fight of monikers, last night, Joe – The Plumber competed favorably with Alexander – The Great.


324 thoughts on “Joe – The Plumber

  1. posted from prev thread

    Forgive me if this was posted before:

    October 14, 2008
    Roundtable on McCain, Rep. Lewis and Race
    FOX News Special Report With Brit Hume

    HUME: The panel is going to join us in just a moment to talk about what has become a heated issue in this campaign.

    But before we start that, let’s take a look at this. This is from John Lewis, the congressman from Georgia who was a prominent member of the civil rights leadership at one time-

    “Senator McCain and Governor Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse.

    There was a Governor of the state of Alabama, George Wallace. He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who only desired to exercise their constitutional rights.”

    This is what Senator McCain said in response to that.


    SEN. JOHN MCCAIN, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And Senator Obama refuses or has not jet repudiated those comments.

    That’s not from some, quote, “party official.” That’s from one of the most respected people in America.

    It’s unfair. It’s unfair, and it’s outrageous.


    HUME: Some thoughts on this controversy now from Fred Barnes, Executive Editor of “The Weekly Standard,” Mara Liasson, National Political Correspondent of National Public Radio, and syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer, FOX News contributors all.

    John Lewis has since said that, “Gee, you know, I really wasn’t trying to link Senator McCain and Governor Palin to George Wallace.” Fred, what about it?

    FRED BARNES, EXECUTIVE EDITOR, “THE WEEKLY STANDARD”: It certainly sounded like he was. He said what they were doing, and the he goes right to George Wallace and what George Wallace did.

    The truth is the race card is being played in this campaign. It is being played by people like John Lewis. It was played yesterday by Joe Biden, where Biden said, you know, the charges against Obama are unhealthy. You don’t throw race and terrorism into the presidential campaign.

    Well, I don’t believe McCain or Palin has thrown race into the campaign. But the other way of playing the race card is to accuse somebody of doing that. Barack Obama has repeatedly accused the McCain campaign of making a big deal, reminding people that he’s an African-American and so on.

    I mean, we have been through this a long time in the campaign. Brit, normally what you do in a campaign with your opponent, you say “Here is what he says, here is what he has done.”

    Here is Barack Obama. He said he’s going to bring us together, he’s a moderate. But here is what he has done. He has spent a lot of time or some time working with this guy who is an unrepentant terrorist, Bill Ayers.

    And this is what you do in any campaign. The difference in this campaign is that all of a sudden when the McCain campaign does that, they’re accused of being racist, that somehow it’s a racist attack when– and it’s a way to discredit the attack. And you know what? It has worked pretty well with the media, because they buy into this thing.

    MARA LIASSON, NATIONAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT, NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO: Look, race is never going to be far away from a campaign where there is an African-American running for president. I think the big question is to what extent is John McCain himself or his campaign involved in this?

    HUME: You mean in trying to-

    LIASSON: I mean, there are bloggers and supporters of McCain–

    HUME: I understand that, but what about the McCain-Palin campaign, which is what John Lewis was talking about?

    LIASSON: I think John Lewis went too far and tried to walk back his remarks.

    The Obama campaign issued a statement right after Lewis issued his statement saying that they don’t think McCain or Palin are in any way, shape, or form like George Wallace.

    McCain himself when he has encountered anything like this in a crowd or town meeting, he has tried to walk it back and talked about how you should be respectful. We don’t know whether Sarah Palin actually heard some of the things that were shouted at one of her rallies in Florida.

    I do think it is incumbent upon candidates if someone in the crowd shouts something that is racist and they hear it. They should say something about it right then and there if not shortly thereafter.

    I think McCain has tried to be really careful here. One of the things he has done, to the great frustration of his campaign, is that he has ruled Reverend Wright off limits.

    He might have done that because he feels he already laid down the marker in the primary or because he’s afraid of being called a racist, but here are a lot of members of the McCain campaign that think it is a legitimate attack, and they are barred from doing it.

    HUME: It does raise an interesting question why it would be racist to bring up Reverend Wright? Reverend Wright is black and Barack Obama is black. Why would that be racist?

    LIASSON: I don’t think it would.

    If you’re going to play the guilt by association card, which he is with Ayers, why not Wright who has a longer association and a more intimate one with Obama? But he has ruled that out of bounds.

    CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: When John McCain runs an ad with a white woman, Paris Hilton in it, he is accused of racism. He runs an ad with Franklin Raines, the former head of Fannie Mae in it, who is African-American, and that’s racist. And then he runs an ad with William Ayers, who is a white male in it, and that’s racist.

    If it weren’t so comical, these promiscuous accusations of racism, it would be tragic.

    The Obama campaign has been playing the race card over and over again. Look, this is a campaign that in the primaries succeeded in painting Bill Clinton as a racist.

    Now, Clinton, with all of his flaws, this is a man who throughout his career from Governor of Arkansas to president of the United States and beyond, has been a great and sincere friend of African-Americans who shared and tried to advance their aspirations. So if you can pull off a trick like that on Bill Clinton, you can pull it off on Republicans.

    And look what Obama has said. He’s the one who raised the Barack Hussein Obama a year or two ago in which he said the Hussein is actually an asset and would be an asset in dealing with Muslims abroad.

    He’s the one who openly said that the Republicans will say I’m black, they will say he’s scary. They will say he’s different. They will say he doesn’t look like the guy on the dollar bill.

    That is Obama preemptively accusing McCain of racism, which is a scurrilous charge. Racism is a serious charge in our country, and a false accusation is doubly serious. As we saw in the Duke lacrosse case, it can destroy lives. Given our history, it ought to be used with great care.

    And to accuse preemptively McCain of racism even before there is any evidence of it, and there has not been any evidence of it before or since, is scurrilous.

    They say patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. Accusations of racism is the last refuge of the liberal scoundrel, and it has been used again and again on the part of the Obama campaign.

    BARNES: That’s because it works. It’s another tactic–

    HUME: I guess you have to wonder if that isn’t what McCain is afraid of by refusing to bring up Reverend Wright, as Mara suggests.

    BARNES: Right, because when they use it, it neutralizes an attack, and then you don’t have to answer it.

  2. 1st, really? Well I have been saying from day one, Joe the Plumber is a gift from God and you can take that to the bank.Thanks Joe, you are telling it so…

  3. I just got up, what’s up with the Berg lawsuit, I thought was the 15th?? I did hear he was trying to put off showing and I guess apparently the judge conceded to Obama.
    I guess the news nuts are saying that Bambi won?? Any new polls???

  4. They say patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. Accusations of racism is the last refuge of the liberal scoundrel, and it has been used again and again on the part of the Obama campaign.
    he got that one from me but he did not say it quite right. I said FALSE accusations of racism are the last refuge of scoundrels. If we did not believe it before, we do now.

  5. October 16th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Check out 4:25, 4:39, 4:46, 4:59 and 5:11 in the video.

    CNN on Obama and the Bomber
    By Charlie Sykes
    Story Created: Oct 7, 2008

    CNN looks at the Obama-Ayers ties and concludes it was much broader and deeper than The One would have you believe.

    October 16th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
    Also on the tape is Obama advisor Ms A. Dunne confirming Obama was at the meet and greet.

    October 16th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
    Murtha Cancels Debate October 16 2008

    On the heels of calling his constituents racists, Congressman Jack Murtha (D-Porksylvaniae3548 Says: ) has cancelled his debate with Bill Russell.
    Email from Peg Luksik, campaign manager for Bill Russell.
    tonight’s debate has been cancelled. Apparently, Mr. Murtha does not want to face his constituents, but is okay with calling them racists.
    Feel free to call EVERY news outlet/talk show/ blog you can think of and scream about this latest example of his unwillingness to even pay attention to his constituents.
    Update: Bill Russell responding yesterday
    [Russell said] Murtha was using the prestige and platform of public office to make wild, reckless statements about the people he represents.
    Russell added that just because the people in Western Pennsylvania aren’t embracing Obama’s values and positions on issues like life, taxes and the Second Amendment doesn’t makes us racist.
    “That’s the cheapest of cheap shots.”
    Update: Another email from Peg about 3Q FEC reports…
    Bill Russell is the TOP FUNDRAISER in the state of Pennsylvania, raising more than double the nearest candidate.
    Bill reports raising over $1,590,000
    John Murtha raised $472,000+ in the same period.
    That means that the Russell Brigade has outraised our opponent by a margin of more than 3 to 1!!!!!!!

  6. admin, unfortunately now BHO campaign is busting the balls of a guy that has a legitmate concern about the survival of a business he wants to buy.

    you are right …this is a citizen, albeit a now famous one, and he has every right to question the policies of whoever will be the next president.

    no wonder BHO didn’t want to do town halls..he would have been exposed for the fraud he is.

    From October 15th to the 29th you can join your fellow Americans at patriotic rallies across America where we will declare in one strong and united voice: OUR COUNTRY DESERVES BETTER THAN BARACK OBAMA!
    As part of this tour we’ll be highlighting Barack Obama’s lack of executive experience, and we’re inviting you to participate. Here’s how:
    Bring a copy of your resume to the rallies! That’s right, we’ll be collecting resumes from people at stops all across the nation, so if you have any executive experience — either as someone who ran or started your own small business, or a housemom who raised a family, or a senior-level executive who had high-level responsibilities, etc… be sure to bring your resume with you to the rally in your community.
    We’ll display the giant stack of resumes for the national media at the end of our tour in Washington, D.C. And not only that, but we’ll also select 3 of the resumes and fly out those individuals, on our dime, to our Washington, D.C. news conference on Wednesday, October 29th as we highlight the fact that all those Americans who submitted resumes at our tour stops had more executive experience than Barack Obama, who now wants to be president & Commander in Chief of the United States! We’ll also make you available for media appearances/interviews if you’re up to it!
    Don’t worry, you can always come out to our rallies even if you don’t bring a resume – but please be sure to bring your American flags either way!
    Sacramento rally will kick off National “Stop Obama Tour” [Battleground tour launches today!]
    Sacramento Union ^ | Oct 15, 2008
    Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:18:47 AM by Jim Robinson
    SACRAMENTO – A national bus tour rallying Americans to reject the Obama/Biden ticket and instead support the McCain/Palin campaign will conduct a rally at the California State Capitol Park tomorrow, Wednesday, October 15th 10:00 AM (the rally will be held at the Veterans Memorial obelisk near the intersection of 12th + N streets).
    The “Stop Obama Tour” is being launched by the Sacramento-based organization, “Our Country Deserves Better” committee (website:, an independent federal political action committee led by former California State Assemblyman, Howard Kaloogian. Spokespersons leading the tour include Sacramento military mom (and national pro-troop movement leader), Deborah Johns; former Californians for Huckabee group leader, Brian Snow, Sacramento-based radio talk show host and TV pundit, Mark Williams; and black conservative activist and patriotic singer, Lloyd Marcus.
    The national bus tour will conduct 35 pro-McCain/Palin and anti-Obama/Biden rallies in key swing states where the presidential election will be determined including: Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado, Missouri, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania.
    For additional information on Wednesday’s rally and the national “Stop Obama Tour” contact Joe Wierzbicki at – (916) 752-3655 or Kelly S. Eustis at

  8. Good McCain Spanish language ad called “Risk”.

    The ad is about job loss attributable to higher taxes. The tag line is “Obama – a risk for small businesses”

  9. I like that…

    Joe “the banker” vs Joe “the plumber”


    BHO said today…. How many plumbers do you know that make $250,000 a year?
    basically saying Joe the plumber is a fraud….
    Joe’s business could very well make that much money, there are lots of plumbing franchises out there that could make this kind of money.

    BHO is pathetic for using this argument

  10. If every time we are confronted with a charge of racism we rebut the charge with facts and conclude with I need not remind my friend that false accusations of racism are the last refuge of scoundels, we can turn the table on them.

    If that is why McCain has left Wright alone, he should have his black adopted child make a few campaign stops with him.

    By implication, Obama would attack every white person in the country as a racist if they fail to agree with him. Can a limosene liberal with that mindset run a multi racial country in these perilous times? Does a cat bark?

  11. I think Obama and Biden are making a huge error in judgement by going after Joe the Plumber. I can’t see this man backing down from what he believes in and I can definitely see in him the “everyman” sort of character that many will identify with. If Obama is going to attack anyone who doesn’t genuflect/worship the ground he walks on, then his list of enemies will be humongous. This Joe the Plumber may just end up being Obama’s Achille’s Heal when all is said and done.

  12. debbie:”BHO said today…. How many plumbers do you know that make $250,000 a year?
    basically saying Joe the plumber is a fraud….
    Joe’s business could very well make that much money, there are lots of plumbing franchises out there that could make this kind of money.

    BHO is pathetic for using this argument


    It is not only a pathetic argument, but it is arrogant, ignorant, and condescending. Joe said, that he was thinking of buying a company for that amount of money, which after expenses, he might clear 100,000/yr. BO, once again, shows how out of touch he is with small businesses and the middle class.

  13. ADMIN!!!!!!!

    My laptop just got a bath! lmao!!!!!

    “In a fight of monikers, last night, Joe – The Plumber competed favorably with Alexander – The Great.”

  14. This Joe the plumber, “Jack the electrican”, etc etc is big!

    My close family runs small businesses and yes they would be upset in this “sharing the wealth” notion…they are huge givers to charities of their own cause. I DO NOT WANT THE FEDERAL GOVT TO DECIDE HOW TO SHARE THE WEALTH>>>>

    They have given enough money to the billionaires with their new 700B package allowing buffet etc to buy PREFERRED shares in CHOSEN, SELECTED companies…

    Make no mistake, the buffet hathaway fund was facing major problems since it was invested heavy in BANK shares..citibank Wells fargo, bank of america and Buffet even wanted to but countrywide when BAC bought it at…..also invested heavily in General Electric – parent of NBC…


  15. if gas was at $4.25 this summer (more or less) and oil has dropped more tha 50% since then why aren’t we paying $2.00 a gallon????

  16. where are my comments?


    My laptop got a bath. 😉

    “In a fight of monikers, last night, Joe – The Plumber competed favorably with Alexander – The Great.”

  17. OK.
    Last try.
    ADMIN!!!!!! (i’m trying like he11 to pay you a compliment)

    My laptop just got a bath! hehehehe

    “In a fight of monikers, last night, Joe – The Plumber competed favorably with Alexander – The Great.”

  18. In a fight of monikers last night Joe – the plumber -competed favorably with
    Alexander – the Great.


  19. The Oracle of Omaha (Buffet) is better at picking stocks than picking political candidates. He is the paradimatic example of the hayseed hobnobbing with the worlds elites but dont ever kid yourself about his humility. He is a lifelong democrat. His silent partner is Los Angeles attorney Charles Munger (Munger, Tolls) and he is a republican. Buffet is a good guy but I would not trust his political judement any more than I would trust Einstein to tell me how to drive a car. Word has it that Einstein never learned to do so because he was convinced it was too complicated. If you spend any time of the Ventura freeway lately you know he was right. If can only be explained by the theory of chaos,

  20. ADMIN!

    I was doing my best to pay you a well-deserved compliment but the spam filter doesn’t like my comments.

    Are the dems trying to destroy Joe? (from drudge)HOLLAND, Ohio – Joe the Plumber said Thursday he doesn’t have a license and doesn’t need one. Joe Wurzelbacher, better known as Joe the Plumber, the nickname Republican John McCain bestowed on him during Wednesday’s presidential debate, said he works for a small plumbing company that does residential work. Because he works for someone else, he doesn’t need a license, he said.

    But the county Wurzelbacher and his employer live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses. Neither Wurzelbacher nor his employer are licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations, which handles plumber licenses in parts of the county outside Toledo.

  21. McCain has entrepreneurs spooked about tax hikes, but fewer than 2% of small business owners would pay more under Obama’s plan.

    Assuming this fact is accurate what if you were employed by one of those 2%…would that be ok?

  22. debbie Says:

    BHO said today…. How many plumbers do you know that make $250,000 a year?
    basically saying Joe the plumber is a fraud….
    Joe’s business could very well make that much money, there are lots of plumbing franchises out there that could make this kind of money.

    BHO is pathetic for using this argument


    They are all saying this they are trying to spin it and they are all missing the point. He probably doesn’t make 250 grand a year, but he wants to. He wants to purchase a business that makes a little more than 250 a year, he told Obama this and said you’re going to raise my taxes aren’t you, and Obama pretty much said yes, which will effect his ability to add the trucks and hire the workers that he wants to buy and hire. So under Obama the American dream ends at 250,000. They are desperately spinning this, Obama knows this is trouble for him, now saying it will be what is left after business expenses, what he brings home as take home pay, which they have never stated until today, they have been so vague about it, is it net or gross earnings, we don’t know. but then that brings up the argument that businesses don’t pay taxes, people pay taxes, so how can you say he won’t be effected cause its what the business makes not what he brings home. The water cooler can’t write a check. THis argument that most small businesses don’t make 250 grand a year is a huge lie, most are in the 500 grand to 1 million range. And they employ the majority of americans. Unemployment will go through the roof.

  23. But the county Wurzelbacher and his employer live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses. Neither Wurzelbacher nor his employer are licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations, which handles plumber licenses in parts of the county outside Toledo.
    If you needed any further proof about Obama there you have it. Back to the future: 1984.

  24. let me get this right according to BHO, 2% of successful small businesses will now have to pay more taxes so that the other 98% can have some of their hard earned profits?

  25. McCain has entrepreneurs spooked about tax hikes, but fewer than 2% of small business owners would pay more under Obama’s plan.
    There are many ways to tax people. Rarely if ever do taxes go down. The power to tax is the power to destroy. The point is the statement that he would redistribute earned wealth. The possiblilities are limited only but the imagination. Where there is a will there is a way. This is the great society folks and it did not work the last time it was tried. Today we just cant afford it.

  26. the media are like rabid animals attacking/going for blood whenever anything/anyone goes against their obnoxious messiah. This is utterly disgusting.

  27. If tax increases are directed toward projects which involve the common good like rebuilding infrastructure, and bonds are not an option then that is a different story. But if they are used to finance pet projects, or to reward perverse behaviors or are so onerous as to prevent capital formation and entrepenurial activity then that is socialism. That is where the UnAmercan Flyer wants to take us and I firmly believe he would destroy the middle class in the process.

  28. basil9 Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
    This is bizarre.

    I can’t copy anything.

    Ask Obama. He has no problems at all copy anything.

    “That’s change you can xerox”.

  29. drudge report:

    GALLUP’s ‘traditional’ likely voter model shows Obama with a two-point advantage over McCain on Thursday, 49% to 47%, this is within poll’s margin of error… Developing…

  30. Looks like Obama finally picked the wrong “pal” to throw under the bus. LMAO!!

  31. Reasons for hope?
    from redstate.
    Obi Wan was very positive about last night’s debate.

    “McCain won every question, looked like a leader and not the law professor that Obama looked like. McCain hit the themes of Joe the Plumber and big government as the basic difference and then hurt Obama’s credibility on issue after issue.

    The media types will try and take the win away. — they tried in 1980 to say Carter won or that the debate was a draw. But the voters thought otherwise. It may take more than a couple of days, but as people start making judgments and ending their mood swings, the numbers should really help McCain.”

    The second bit of good news for McCain is comes from a source in the Midwest, plugged into various GOP operations, who told me that “key metrics” in “bellweather areas” of Ohio are showing very favorable McCain numbers and that these indicators may also signal important metrics for Pennsylvania, esp. western Pennsylvania. This source has no illusions, and is worried about other states — the same ones you and I are worried about when we look at an Electoral College map — but those two states are looking surprisingly strong for McCain, with some evidence that the same folks who were skeptical of Obama in the Democratic primary are still not on board and may not ever be on board.

    (Interestingly the Dayton Daily News released its own poll on Sunday showing McCain winning Ohio statewide by 2 percent.)

    Finally, my third sign is a bit lighter, but interesting in measuring GOP enthusiasm for McCain, which I think had been waning in the past two weeks or so. I’ve got a reader who writes in regularity, reminding me that I am a gutless squish, that John McCain is just about indistinguishable from a Democrat, that it’s up to real conservatives like him to keep fighting the good fight (which apparently consists mostly sending me e-mails reminding me that I am a gutless squish). He’s never had a good word to say about John McCain that I can recall. And then, this morning, he writes:

    IF, and that’s a big if, McCain stays on the message that he had last night for the next two weeks, next year you won’t even remember who “B.O.” is…..for two reasons:

    1. [Reagan Democrats] will not vote for a commie, liberal, anti-American, anti-military, anti-guns, baby killing, tax raising, al qaeda sleeper cell member from indonesia who pals around with and accepts $ from terrorists while his con men buddies in congress steal billions from the U.S. taxpayer.

    2. Hillary Democrats do not want “BO” to win because “you know who” has only one more chance to become prez and that has to be in 4 years.

    The undecided vote has increased and will break enough for McCain to put him over the top no matter what the [conservatives in name only] and liberals will be saying for the next two weeks.

    (Lest there be any doubt, I remain unconvinced that Barack Obama is an al-Qaeda sleeper cell member.)

    UPDATE: A fourth sign. Another state-level GOP guy I talk to regularly says that what he is seeing in internal polling lines up with the commentary you see in this RedState post, purportedly from an Obama campaign internal pollster, indicating that they are “very worried about how Palin appears to be energizing whole groups of people who don’t typically get energized about politics, precisely because she appeals so strongly to the middle class, as well as women and dissatisfied republicans that stayed home in 2006.”

  32. So sorry about the multiple posts! (but admin can’t be complimented too many times) 😀

    Since I’m snooping around on repub sites thought i should paste another cheery POV.
    (spelling isn’t great but the message is)John McCain has run a brilliant strategic campaign building upon an entire venue setting Obama up. I noted as the only person revealing it that the McCain camp sent out Sarah Palin to cut Joe Biden out of the Democratic herd along with those disgruntled Democratic voters.
    In the last debate, no one has noticed but myself that John McCain was talking to Hillary Clinton about economic policy.

    That is worth repeating that Hillary Clinton deliberately met with John McCain to discuss economic policy. The Clinton’s were not campaigning for Obama. The Clinton’s instead on a stage in Pennsylvania were standing with Joe Biden. The message is now clear. Biden is going to be a good soldier to make it look like he is not the fault of Obama’s defeat as are Bill and Hillary Clinton, but the Clinton’s are signed on with the McCain Palin ticket.

    THAT is the audience John McCain was speaking to in the last debate.

    THAT is the reason Hillary Clinton’s name popped up a few times in the last debate.

    John McCain wasn’t whoop butt’in Barack Obama for Republicans. John McCain was whoop butt’in Barack Hussein Obama for the PUMA, Hillary Clinton supporters who are still furious over the slapping around Obama did of Hillary during and after the campaign.

    THAT is the audience both Hillary Clinton and John McCain were telling last night it was ok to take the step and vote Republican.
    Strangely, John McCain has 3 of the toughest political women in America, in his wife, Cindy, Gov. Palin and now Hillary Clinton signed onto his ticket and he deliberately went after Barack Obama in the last debate to lay some leather on Obama for the Clinton people, because they can’t.

    This is brilliant strategy.

    I don’t care how many skewed polls come out with Obama in states running 48 to McCain 43 which does not add up to 100, but only 91, leaving 9 points which are breaking to John McCain.

    Even on Charlie Rose, I noticed his panel of bigots have gotten the word on Obama as by miracle they were all pounding Obama in not being bright enough to have an economic plan and literally failing in not producing anything he could take into the White House in January.

    The liberal pollsters now talk of the undecided which they had refrained from before. That means they are covering their butts. The liberal media is now hedging excuses in “Obama has not put for the a plan” to cover their butts so after Obama’s election loss they will say, “Voters just trusted a guy with a plan like McCain and not Obama who had no plan.

  33. I love shiloh.

    Comment by Shiloh | 2008-10-16 15:34:06

    Anyone feel something in the air? It isn’t autumn, it’s CHANGE. I hear everywhere that Obama insiders are betraying their fears. Slowly but surely the issues are coming out – Ayers, ACORN, Joe. The polls are shifting, the internals even moreso. America has flirted with Obama but is getting ready to break up and marry McCain.

  34. If they hate bush that is okay. McCain is not bush. If they elect Bambi they will soon find that the cure is worse than the disease.

  35. I wouldn’t believe that cnn article until someone fact checked it. You have to fact check their fact checks.

  36. OMG!!!!
    Patsy (soldier4hillary) says the bots are trashing Joe!

    ” cannot believe what Obama supporters are online doing to this guy. Personal information..slandering his name left and right. This is ONE person. Are they so viscious that one individual is not allowed to actually question Obama? What is happening to the people in this country? So we dont even have the right to say in public that were not voting for Obama nor can we question him? Obama supporters have become literally rabid online about this guy. One blog stated they even put his home address online. They are treating this guy like he is some kind of serial killer or something. I have never seen anything like what I have witnessed this afternoon. But even more, it shows exactly how Obama supporters have been acting from day one. Now, people are scared to even voice there opinions because of how they act.”

  37. I wonder how Obama’s Hollywood supporters feel about “spreading their wealth around”? Maybe we should all hit Angelina up for a loan…..

  38. if McCain wins – boy did he have destiny on his side – to go from nearly bankrupt campaign last spring to winning the nomination to duking it out with a *very* flawed Democratic nominee…

    I hear this comment a lot from Republicans, that it’s Sarah Palin who’s dragging McCain across the finish line, and if the PUMAs have their say, it’s Hillary who helped McCain too. it’s the women, stupid!

    Anyway, I am feeling a little better too about winds of change. Maybe the ACORN stuff is finally reaching critical mass where the Big Media can’t deny it.

  39. Maybe we should all hit Angelina up for a loan…

    Angelina is an Independent, and hasn’t stated how she will vote.

  40. By the way did you notice Survey USA didnt do it’s biased poll on the debate. For every debate Survey USA did polls from California and Washington state on the winner, well they only did one in California last night, do we suspect they didnt like the results of the Washington one?

  41. Obama runing scared or just flipping them the bird?

    Obama Campaign Withdraws From Two Jewish Debates

    The Republican Jewish Coalition (RJC) Executive Director Matt Brooks issued the following statement today: Now that the Presidential debates are over, the Obama campaign is trying to cancel all remaining debates in the Jewish community that include the Republican Jewish Coalition.
    Claiming they do not like recent RJC advertisements, the Obama campaign has formally instructed all of its representatives to cancel their scheduled appearances with any representative of the RJC. Former Congressman Mel Levine (CA) yesterday informed the Valley Cities Jewish Community Center that he would no longer show up for his scheduled debate this Sunday against RJC California Director Larry Greenfield. State Representative Josh Shapiro (PA) informed Temple Sinai that he would not participate in a forum with RJC Philadelphia Director Scott Feigelstein.
    “The RJC is deeply troubled by this effort on the part of the Obama campaign to stifle and limit a debate on the important issues facing our country,” said Brooks. “More than anything the Jewish community values dialogue. What is the Obama campaign afraid of? Why is the Obama campaign afraid to have this conversation?”
    “With their recently enacted policy of not debating representatives of the RJC, the Obama campaign has underscored Senator Obama’s problems in the Jewish community. It is unfortunate that the Obama campaign is unwilling and afraid to have a candid conversation on the issues of great concern to Jewish voters,” said Brooks.
    “Throughout this campaign, the RJC has highlighted the truth about Obama’s positions, his statements and his advisers. Every point raised in our ads is sourced, cited and has previously been reported in the media. We ask legitimate questions about Obama’s policies towards Israel, the Middle East and Iran. Our ads have raised legitimate concerns over Obama’s associations with Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Robert Malley, Tony McPeak and David Bonior. If the Obama campaign is unhappy with our ads, then Senator Obama should never have associated with these individuals in the first place,” Brooks added.
    “Currently, the RJC is scheduled to participate in 29 debates between now and the election. In keeping with the long-standing tradition of Jewish dialogue, we look forward to these opportunities to engage the Jewish community on the critical issues,” said Brooks.

  42. Obama will lose Ohio

    Barack Obama and John McCain are now all tied up at 49% each in the battleground state of Ohio, according to the latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey.

    A Fox News/Rasmussen Reports telephone poll conducted a few days earlier showed Obama leading McCain 49% to 47% in Ohio.

    and thats with the Dem Bias of 6%+ built in

  43. Basil,
    The cnn article posted above that says Joes taxes would most likely not be raised under BO’s plan, that it would only effect 2% of small business owners. Fact on the other hand says that Joe probably would be effected by Obama’s plan. Here is American Thinker’s take on the factcheck article.

    I’m a little shocked they are all saying most small businesses don’t make minimum 250k. I guess that goes to the definition of what is a small business. I would think that if you go by the definition being less than 500 employees then I would think the majority would make at least 250K. I have always worked for small business, 10-25 employees, and they always made in the 500k to 1 mil range. But if you are really counting businesses who employee maybe no one else or 1-3 people then yes I can see that they probably don’t make 250k a year, but you get 10 employees and I would think you would be making more than 250 a year. But seems to contradict the cnn article posted above.

  44. OT. but I wanted to mention a couple things I have noticed in my town and that others have mentioned also.

    There are few political signs anywhere. In past elections there were presidential candidate signs all over. In this election there are many signs for local races, very few Obama or McCain. The Obama ones are mostly near the local college. Everywhere else it’s McCain. But not many of either…

    Also, I haven’t been polled via phone hardly at all. I had two calls in early September but nothing since. And Minnesota is a battleground state. Why no phone polls? I only received one phone call from my union as well. And I always vote in all elections so I should be listed as a likely voter..

    I have heard through the grapevine that the local Democrat office was having trouble getting volunteers.Is this something happening elsewhere or am I just making something out of nothing?

  45. CNN would say Obama will sprinkle fairy dust and make life better for all and the pundits would pass it for information, lets face it, Obama farts and CNN issues an air quality report.

  46. AmericanGirl. I am one of those who has brought this up on the blog.

    Today in my walk in the neighborhood, I saw two new signs, and they were for McCain.

    You are right, I am seeing a lot of local signs, but people are not putting out presidential signs.

    I think this is signaling something. The polling % (too many Dems) and the 80% hang up rate also lead me to believe we are not aware of what the voters are thinking.

    On 4 Nov we will know.

  47. moononpluto, great news about OH!

    Did anyone catch that according to Gallup today, among likely voters (the ones that count), it is BO 49%, Mac 47% = ALL TIED UP!!

  48. McCain Planning to Spend Time With ‘Joe the Plumber’
    October 16, 2008 3:17 PM

    “I’m probably going to call him this morning,” Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told Fox News Channel’s Carl Cameron. “I thought he would probably be up late. I heard that his — that his phone lines were pretty well were flooded. But I think we’re going to be spending some time together.”

    Interestingly, “Joe the Plumber” is not named Joe (his full name is Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher), and according to the Toledo Blade, he’s not a licensed plumber.

    The Blade also reports: “Linda Howe, executive director of the Lucas County Board of Elections, said a Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher, whose address and age match Joe the Plumber’s, registered in Lucas County on Sept. 10, 1992. He voted in his first primary on March 4 of this year, registering as a Republican. Ms. Howe said that the name may be misspelled in the database.”

    Additionally, in December 2007, the Blade reports, “the Ohio Department of Taxation placed a lien against him because $1,183 in personal property taxes had not been paid, but there has been no action in the case since it was filed.”

    – jpt


  49. I find it the debate BHO swears to Joe “the plumber” that his plans will help him,
    then, the next day he throws Joe under the bus by dissing him at a rally.

    This whole thing is starting to make me check my own sanity..did I miss something here?

  50. If Obamahas not closed the deal now, he’s not going too, we suspected this would be the problem and i suspect there is perhaps too many people having doubts about him. For the economy in the state it is and Obama is not realistically 20 points means there is a serious problem.

    We saw the same thing in the primaries, Obama is a poor closer and they know it, when push came to shove Hillary took the independents in the last week by large margins and its going to happen again, those who are undecided will go to vote and decide, “who do I really trust”, and on that Obama flunks it.

  51. Brit Hume…Secret Service: after a thorough investigation no finding anyone said “kill him” at Palin rally, befuddled at the report by journalist

  52. Angelina unlike many other Hollywood blow hards has some real experience working with governments all over the world. So she knows she will have to work with a Republican government if that is what it takes.

  53. Debbie its because Obama will step on anyone or anything that opposes him, we’ve seen it time and time again. Thats why he’s so dangerous.

  54. Obama campaigning in NH today makes me wonder what his internal polls are showing. Why would he be spending his time in a state with only 4 electoral votes this close to election day? This race is much closer than the media or polls are trying to make people believe.

  55. NObama, NOvember, NO way, NO how, NObama!!!

    Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

    Whew that felt better 🙂

  56. Personally, i think NH really will go McCain, after what happened to him in the primary, i’m damn near sure McCain wins NH. McCain is very popular up in NH, he won the primary there easily.

    Yeah Obama in NH makes no sense if he thought winning in Va and PA and Ohio, he does not need NH.

  57. Remember Obama was 10 ahead in the NH primary and lost by 2%, a 12 point swing, you tell me that was not a bradley effect or the sort.


    October 16, 2008, 1:42 pm
    Obama Organizer Targets the Big House
    T.W. Farnam reports on the presidential race.
    Barack Obama’s campaign prides itself on grassroots organizing, with thousands of staff members targeting numerous subsets of the population for voter registration and persuasion. One even sought to register inmates.
    An internal email from the Michigan Department of Corrections in August describes a request from the campaign to enter jails to register those inmates set to be released before Election Day.
    An Obama spokesman in Michigan acknowledged that a new organizer made the request, but supervisors nixed the idea as soon as they found out about it. The campaign denied all association with a second request to the Department of Corrections. The emails say that a Theresa Collins, identified as the national coordinator of “Inmates to Support Barack Obama,” asked the prison to post information about how prisoners could make campaign contributions to Obama. That group doesn’t appear to have any Web site.
    The email chain shows that Richard Stapleton, administrator of the department’s Office of Legal Affairs, told a colleague to deny the campaign’s request. The email, which Washington Wire received from Obama opponent, was verified by a Corrections Department spokesman.
    “We’ve got to make sure they’re out first,” said John Cordell, the spokesman. “We could say you’re out on Oct. 31, but if they do something between now and Oct. 31 that would make us think they’re a danger to society, then we’ll rescind their parole.”
    Cordell said that around 10,000 inmates are released from Michigan jails each year. They are legally allowed to vote as soon as they are discharged or paroled, and a social worker typically helps them register at that time.
    The campaign has said that it hasn’t tried to register felons, although it does provide information on whether state law allows felons to vote. Conservatives have made hay over some of Obama’s supporters and his connections. An article about a death-row inmate who endorsed Obama was widely picked up by right-wing blogs.
    UPDATE: The Obama campaign spokesman in Michigan emphasized that Theresa Collins is not affiliated with the campaign and that it had no knowledge of that request to the Corrections Department

  59. Smacks of total desperation when you have to sign up rapists, muggers, drug dealers to vote for you to win!

  60. I’m thinking that those 30 minute soundbites that O is planning on punishing the nation with, won’t just be about his vacous policies and him liking to hear himself talk. I’m sure he will be targeting McCain and Palin with horrific vitriole…a smear speech to end all smeer speeches!

  61. Janh, questions is, he’s he’s preaching to the choir, people will have made decisions and Obama will just piss people off, people are so bored with this now, they want it over and having your smug face up at primetime, stealing peoples precious tv time or time with their kids is not the way to do it. 7to 9pm is very much dinner, tv, get the kids reading for bed time, resting, it is not “gee, i think i’ll sit down and watch the Obama show”

  62. moononpluto, as usual I totally concur with your astute analysis re: Gutter Ball closing poorly, and NH. McCain owns NH, I mean come on…

    NewMexico, there weren’t undecideds per se, but “Other 1% ,Neither 1%, No opinion 3%” per Gallup Likely Voters.

  63. As you can already surmize, the msm attacks on “Joe the plumber” is well under way and its going to backfire spectacularly.

  64. How do we know Obama is the sworn enemy of the middle class? Simple. We know this by the very fact that he has thrown the centrist coalition of the party under the bus. We know it as well by his off script comment to the Plummer re his desire to redistribute earned wealth.

    Since the end of World War II politicans of both parties have geared their policies toward the middle class. The thinking was that they were the stable element in the society and the poor could enter that group as well if they adopted the right behaviors. The the mantra of John Kennedy was that all boat rise would rise with the tide.

    The rise of the hard left in the democatic party foreshadows a radically different approach. Their vision is utopian, their tactis are scorched earth and the model is what we saw in the protest movement of the late 1960s. They believe they are the vangaard of the new order. And if they prevail they will destroy the middle class. It is the pattern of history.

    Shorn of all the hype and the formalities that is what Bambi represents, at least in my opinion. .

  65. Love her or hate her, Palin is GOP’s lightning rod
    McClatchy Newspapers
    WASHINGTON — You betcha, Sarah Palin sure is exciting all those hard-core Republican activists who’ve never been too keen on John McCain.

    But is she alienating those darn independents and pesky moderates who’ve always liked McCain for his maverick streak?

    In just seven weeks since Republican presidential hopeful McCain made Palin his running mate, the Alaska governor has gone from being a virtual unknown for most Americans to being perhaps the most controversial figure in American politics.

    Tens of thousands of Republican activists roar Palin’s name at rallies from Florida to Ohio to Colorado and beyond, while similar numbers of detractors mock her mannerisms in TV interviews and guffaw at “Saturday Night Live” satirist Tina Fey’s spot-on impersonations of her.

    Melody Hall, a medical-records aide who lives in Englewood, Ohio, near Dayton, said she was a registered Republican but had voted for Democratic candidates.

    Hall likes Palin a great deal.

    “She seems to be the all-American person,” Hall said. “She’s middle-class, she has children, she’s got a pregnant daughter and a disabled child. She’s average in a good way.”

    Hall said she was moving toward Barack Obama but that Palin’s slot on the Republican ticket had led her to look more closely at McCain.

    Pat Palmer, on the other hand, runs a trucking company with her husband from their home in North Las Vegas. She’s a Republican who – “unfortunately,” she said – voted twice for President Bush.

    She’s leaning toward voting for Obama, however, partly because of her doubts about Palin.

    “She seems like a very nice person, but you have to think ahead,” Palmer said. “At McCain’s age, if he was to become president and something happened, God forbid, and she had to step in to fill his shoes – I don’t think she’s qualified to do that.”

    Charlie Black, a Republican consultant and senior adviser to McCain, said Palin had excited Republican activists, drawing many new volunteers to work in campaign offices across the country.

    “I have no evidence that she’s alienated anybody,” Black said. “She has helped to galvanize the conservative base. She’s already done more for the ticket than most VP candidates ever do. She’s clearly a net gain.”

    Shaun Bowler, a political science professor at the University of California in Riverside, said Palin had energized conservatives who’d never really trusted McCain.

    Now, though, Palin is preventing McCain from gaining ground among moderate voters who are undecided in the White House race, Bowler said.

    “Palin helped him generate enthusiasm and get more yard signs put up, but she is an increasing liability,” he said. “She’s got a lot of negatives. Choosing her was a short-term high, but the hangover is terrible.”

    Susan MacManus, a political science professor at the University of South Florida in Tampa, said Palin revived a faltering McCain campaign.

    “Once she got on the ticket, it was like an infusion of adrenaline,” MacManus said.

    MacManus has been struck by what she’s heard in recent weeks from moderate Republicans along the crucial Interstate-4 corridor that cuts across central Florida, from Tampa through Orlando to Daytona Beach.

    “For the first time, Republicans can say they have a diverse ticket,” MacManus said. “They don’t have two white guys up there running. Particularly women Republicans feel very proud of that.”

    Palin has broader appeal, MacManus said, than news reports often describe.

    “There are misimpressions that she’s only appealing to evangelicals,” MacManus said.

    In the third presidential debate Wednesday night, moderator Bob Schieffer of CBS News asked Obama and McCain whether their running mates are prepared to be president.

    Obama answered the question directly.

    After ticking off a long list of Delaware Sen. Joe Biden’s virtues and achievements, Obama said, “On the key issues that are of importance to American families, Joe Biden’s always been on the right side, and I think he will make an outstanding president if, heaven forbid, something happened to me.”

    McCain didn’t give Palin such a strong endorsement for the nation’s highest office.

    Calling her “a reformer through and through” and a “breath of fresh air,” McCain said, “She has ignited our party and people all over America that have never been involved in the political process. And I can’t tell you how proud I am of her and her family.”

  66. So far we’ve had

    He’s not a registered plumber
    He owes back taxes
    He’s a known racist
    He’s a signed up republican

    What next, he eats babies and practices satanism, oh wait, i think i just saw that.

  67. Palin Prods McCain to Get In Obama’s Face
    Share October 15, 2008 4:55 PM

    ABC News’ Teddy Davis and Imtiyaz Delawala Report:

    Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is once again prodding John McCain to be more aggressive with Barack Obama, telling ABC’s affiliate in New Hampshire that Barack Obama has “called John McCain out.”

    “Barack Obama even has called John McCain out on this saying, ‘Hey, if you’ve got something to say, say it to my face in a debate,'” said Palin.

    “So we’ll see tonight if John McCain does that,” Palin added in her interview with ABC affiliate WMUR.

    Watch it here.

    Palin’s WMUR interview was not the first time that she has prodded McCain to be more aggressive. During an interview earlier this month with New York Times columnist Bill Kristol, Palin urged McCain to raise Obama’s connection to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

    “To tell you the truth, Bill,” Palin told Kristol in an interview published on Oct. 5, “I don’t know why that association isn’t discussed more, because those were appalling things that that pastor had said about our great country, and to have sat in the pews for 20 years and listened to that — with, I don’t know, a sense of condoning it, I guess, because he didn’t get up and leave — to me, that does say something about character.”

    “But, you know,” she added, “I guess that would be a John McCain call on whether he wants to bring that up.”

    Palin’s “say it to my face” remark to WMUR stems from Obama’s suggestion to ABC’s Charles Gibson last week that McCain was reluctant to raise Obama’s association with Bill Ayers, the ’60’s radical turned professor of education.

    “Well, I am surprised that, you know, we’ve been seeing some pretty over-the-top attacks coming out of the McCain campaign over the last several days that he wasn’t willing to say it to my face,” Obama told ABC’s Gibson.

    Watch Obama discuss Bill Ayers with ABC’s Charles Gibson here.

    Obama, who served on an education reform panel with Ayers, has, at times, played down his contacts with the former leader of the Weather Underground. But Obama has never expressed sympathy for the radical views of Ayers and Obama has referred to the domestic bombing campaign led by Ayers as “detestable.”

    McCain has ruled out personally using Wright, the controversial former pastor repudiated by Obama, against the Democratic presidential nominee.

    But McCain suggested during a Tuesday interview with a St. Louis radio station that Obama was wrong to think that he does not have the “guts” to raise Ayers.

    “I was astonished to hear him say that he was surprised for me to have the guts to do that,” McCain told KMOX Radio on Tuesday. “Because the fact is that the question did not come up in that fashion so–you know–I think he’s probably ensured that it will come up this time.”

    Listen to McCain’s KMOX radio interview here.

  68. Dick and Dan the Plumber (NY plumbers back Joe’s tax claims)

    Dan Franklin is a plumber for Lafrance Plumbing in Syracuse. He’s been following the presidential race very closely. He laughs when “Joe the Plumber” is mentioned, but says he has a great point. Lafrance Plumbing makes more than $250,000 a year, and would have to pay higher taxes if Senator Barack Obama is elected, and implements his tax plan. For Lafrance, lowering profits, is not an option.

  69. moon,

    it will be interesting to see the ratings on those soundbites. I really hopes he tanks…lol…

    as far as the plumber goes, what the hell is wrong with the media that they think they have the right to dig into this guy’s life? Morons!!!

  70. Palin’s ‘plumber’ shoutout Posted: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:53 AM by Carrie Dann
    From NBC/NJ’s Matthew Berger

    BANGOR, Maine – Sarah Palin evoked the highlights of her running mate’s debate messages Thursday as she worked to pick up at least one of Maine’s four electoral votes.

    “As John McCain reminded Barack Obama last night, if he wanted to run against George Bush, he had his chance four years ago,” she said at an airplane hangar rally. “This year the name on the ballot is John McCain and America knows that John McCain is his own man, he is the maverick.”

    Palin also evoked “Joe the Plumber,” and his female counterpart, Jane.

    “You know, we want to cut taxes because we think like Joe or Jane the plumber thinks, OK?,” she said. “Our opponents want to raise taxes because they think like that other Joe, that six-term senator from Delaware whom I’m running against.”

    Palin made a quick stop in Maine, not getting farther than Bangor’s airplane hangar. The campaign hopes that the visit could help pick up at least one of the state’s four electoral votes. (Two are allotted to the statewide winner and one to the winner of each congressional district. Bangor is located in the state’s second congressional district, which is viewed as more conservative.)

    Joined by singer Lee Greenwood and Sen. Olympia Snowe, Palin acknowledged the state’s tradition of electing females to federal office.

    “Maine, you all know something about those cracks in the glass ceiling, but the women of America aren’t finished yet,” she said. “Maine, with your help, this November we are going to shatter once and for all that final glass ceiling.”

  71. Obama campaigning planning big party on Election night in outside in downtown Chicago. I would love for that ass to go to bed thinking he won and wake up to find out he lost NV and the presidency!

  72. This is just bringing up the correct issue and the Dems are furious that someone dare expose Obama’s tax us all to the hilt policy. Thats the thing.

    Obama’s tax plans are now evident and laid bare and people will realise, shit this guy is going to rob us blind.

  73. JanH

    They did the same thing to Palin. She at least was running for Office. This guy just happened to be at a rally. His only sin was questioning Os tax structure on the small business owner, and where that money would go.

    How dare he ask those questions. Looks like anyone that disagrees faces this scrutiny.

  74. “You know, we want to cut taxes because we think like Joe or Jane the plumber thinks, OK? Our opponents want to raise taxes because they think like that other Joe, that six-term senator from Delaware whom I’m running against.” – Sarah Palin, Bangor Maine, 10/16/08

  75. I emailed API the other day when the “Michelle Obama : enough is enough” article was posted
    asking in regards to if they had any proof of this conversation..

    here is the response email i received from them ( so i assume we will get our proof soon!! 😀 )

    Thank you for your email
    Many are asking the same question and I want to assure you that there is
    nothing wrong asking.
    Yes, we have the proof and soon , if the huge interest continues as it has
    been today, we will have to post all the proof on the net.

    You are always welcome to reach us on this issue.

    Chief Editor API

  76. Todd Palin talks the Second Amendment in Minnesota
    By PATRICK CONDON , Associated Press

    October 16, 2008

    HERMANTOWN, Minn. – Saying the right to bear arms “isn’t just another amendment,” the husband of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin angled for the votes of Minnesota sportsmen Thursday and tried to stoke their support for U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman.

    Todd Palin called Coleman “someone who has stood with hunters and fishermen and women, someone who knows the Second Amendment isn’t just another amendment. It’s a right to stand up for and protect.”

    Several hundred people attended the rally in the parking lot of a Gander Mountain outdoors store outside Duluth; many were clad in blaze orange or camouflage. Besides winning praise from Palin, Coleman accepted an endorsement from the National Rifle Association.

    Wayne LaPierre, CEO and executive vice president of the NRA, called Coleman an ally of gun owners. Coleman said he was “proud to stand strong for those who stand for the Second Amendment.”

    Coleman’s Democratic opponent, Al Franken, is also on record supporting the Second Amendment. “He believes all Minnesotans must be assured the right to own guns for collection, protection and sport,” said Franken’s spokeswoman, Colleen Murray.

    While Coleman spoke longer, Palin was clearly the main draw for many in attendance.

    “I think Todd’s one of those people we’d meet for coffee in the morning, one of those people who’d sit in the church pew next to you,” said Lowell Ruud of nearby Proctor, who wore a blaze orange hunting vest.

    Palin was to campaign later Thursday in the northern Minnesota cities of Grand Rapids and Bemidji. Coleman was staying in Duluth, where he was to debate Franken and Independence Party candidate Dean Barkley on Thursday evening.

    Several dozen supporters of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama demonstrated across the street from Gander Mountain, many wearing blaze orange themselves and hoisting signs reading “Sportsmen for Obama” and similar messages.

    “The Republicans have a whole bunch of sportsmen brainwashed into thinking if the Democrats get into power they’re going to take their guns away,” said Danny O’Neill of Duluth, who said he’s a hunter and owns several guns. “They can have their guns. I have my guns. But let’s keep it safe on the streets for our kids. Why does a hunter need to own an assault rifle?”
    Obama is not JFK or Clinton, so you have to vote on this person’s record and by his comments. Obama has been all over the place with his policies but his actions has been consistent with those who love to restrict other people freedoms.

    I DON’T TRUST OBAMA and I have a reason not to.

  77. I love it

    McCain/Palin as Mari(o)a and Luigi fixing the bunged plumbing systems of America’s Govt, that would be cool images.

  78. djia Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
    great job dija. isnt it great to send a email into cynberspace to a publication and actually get an answer back like you did. That is the difference between a jounalist and a propagandist like most of big media.

  79. Palin Supporters Told To Plan Ahead For Friday’s Rally
    24,000 People Expected At Friday’s Rally

    POSTED: 6:08 pm EDT October 16, 2008
    UPDATED: 7:05 pm EDT October 16, 2008

    NOBLESVILLE, Ind. — A sold-out crowd of 24,000 people is expected to pack Verizon Wireless Music Center on Friday not to see a rock star, but the Republican equivalent — Gov. Sarah Palin.

    Workers were constructing the stage on Thursday as Secret Service officers surveyed the venue and police planned how they would deal with all of the traffic, 6News’ Jennifer Carmack reported.

    “We’re basically handling this like we would any sell-out show at Verizon,” said Hamilton County Sheriff’s Deputy Vicki Dunbar, who urged ticketholders to plan ahead on Friday. “We just need people to be patient. Be patient in traffic, be patient once you’re into the area and we will get people in and out as quickly as we can.”

    The 24,000 tickets for Palin’s rally sold out quickly, organizers said, and a full crowd is expected. She will be the first political candidate to appear on Verizon’s stage.

    “I think it says that Sarah Palin and John McCain are taking Indiana seriously and they’re going to work for every last vote,” said Luke Messer, co-chair of McCain’s Indiana campaign. “We knew she was popular, but we basically sold out the thing in two days and I think you will see a lot of excitement when she’s here tomorrow.”

    The parking area at Verizon will open at 11 a.m. with gates to the pavilion opening at 1 p.m. The program is expected to be at 4:30 p.m. with Palin speaking at 5:30 p.m.

    Lt. Governor Becky Skillman will introduce Palin while retired Marine Lt. Gen. Carol Mutter of Brownsburg — who spoke at the Republican National Convention — will lead the Pledge of Allegiance. Country music star Aaron Tippin is also scheduled to perform during the rally.

    Verizon officials said that no signs, coolers, lawn chairs or umbrellas will be allowed inside. Cameras will be permitted at the event. Because the venue is privately owned, protesters will not be allowed on the property.

  80. Idunn Says:
    October 16th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
    Girls can’t be plumbers!
    geez, idunn. don’t you remember comets “josephine the plumber”??

  81. basil9 Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
    houghton-mifflin is going to delete the BO chapter from all future editions.


    Good news! Putting that much information about BO in a textbook, is very inappropriate, especially when people like Clinton and McCain are not included. 15 pages! What a waste of ink and paper. BO hasn’t done enough to deserve an entire chapter about him.

  82. houghton-mifflin should be recalling the books now in print and in schools. That is the only solution period!!!

  83. Are we surprised, not only are they dirtying him, they are trying to put him out of a job.

    Toledo moves to shut down Joe the Plumber

  84. Thanks wbboei

    Yes it does!! I never get a response from American Journalists……….so sad!

    and i did write them back just now with this


    Thank you for your quick response, I appreciate it very much!

    I am sure the interest will gain traction and you will if not already be bombarded
    by requests and opposition to providing proof.

    I sincerely hope you will not fall to pressure by the Obama Campaign to supress your proof
    as this election in America has never been more important or dangerous for my country.

    The American People have been Bamboozled by the Obamas and it is time for the truth to
    be heard rather than suppressed.

    I want to let you know that i am not a racist, I know that term has been thrown around
    all too easily and falsely during this election setting back our countries race relations back
    50 years.

    I grew up during the 60’s and 70’s and witnessed plenty and fought against it with everything i had
    and nearly lost my life as a white person defending AA rights. I hate that i am now seeing this
    being undone.

    as a woman, I am equally upset that sexism is even worse during this election season and that effects
    women of all skin color and nationalities.

    and for a woman like Michelle Obama to say and behave the way she does makes this worse on both issues.
    She is not what America needs to have as a representative of our country, she is not worthy of the title and position
    of First Lady of America.

    Thank you very much for exposing this person for who she is.


    and i consider your publication a Patriot of Truth



  85. by not recalling these texts, this company gets its message across and loses not a penny of profits.

    They make me sick! I will definitely be boycotting their titles for the rest of my life!

  86. The mother need to sue the school and the textbook company…that is the only way those taxpayer supported entities will stop doing this crap when it cost them money.

    I know Republicans don’t like lawsuits but in this case they need to do it and force the company to replace all those textbooks.

  87. Rosa Parks belongs in text books, but O does not. She risked her life, by refusing to move from the front area of the bus. She was a reluctant hero.

    O was raised by his grandmother, who had a good position in a bank, got a scholarship to a great college, never really practice as a lawyer, has had the way paved for him, and refused to answer questions about segments of his life.

    Rosa Parks belongs in text books, O belongs under the bus.

  88. What is the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY thinking? They are going to make that poor man rich by making him a victim. This type of action is going to piss blue collar workers off.

    It hasn’t hurt Palin, in fact these idiots has made her a superstar with all they “lets destroy Sarah Palin” for treating Obama like any other politician.

    People need to get the word out to McCain or Lou Dobbs or Rush that the power of the state is going after the little guy for his constitutional rights of Freedom of Speech.

  89. The way that the media and bots are treating this plumber, is abhorrent and uncalled for. BO’s associates have not received this much scrutiny and malice. I sincerely hopes that this severely backfires on the BO campaign.

  90. A little off topic but anyone who thinks the collapsing market was planned MUST SEE this Video that Norma posted.

    A brief synopsis:

    The Federal Reserve was established in 1913. In 1920, during the first, smaller panic, Charles Lindbergh said this:
    Under the Federal Reserve Act panics are scientifically created. The present panic is the first scientifically created one worked out as we figure a mathematical model.

    Congressman Louis McFadden suspected the Federal Reserve fraud and started impeachment proceedings but before his motion came up for review he was poisoned. That was after 2 failed assassination attempts.

    The next panic was 1929. It was instigated by the calling in of margin loans whereby anyone could put up 10% for stock shares but would be required to pay back the loans within 24 hours if the banks demanded it.

    Rockefeller and his cronies got out of the market months before the depression and then called in their margin loans. That is what spurred the collapse as people couldn’t raise the money within 24 hours.

    Over 16,000 banks failed and international bankers swooped in and bought them along with many corporations.

    The depression was further extended by passing a law requiring all citizens to turn in their gold or risk imprisonment. After 1933 the dollar bill text was changed from saying it was supported by the gold standard to saying it was legal tender.

    I won’t bore you guys further but there are so many parallels with what’s going on today it’s jaw-dropping.

  91. # moononpluto Says:
    October 16th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    Dick and Dan the Plumber (NY plumbers back Joe’s tax claims)

    Dan Franklin is a plumber for Lafrance Plumbing in Syracuse. He’s been following the presidential race very closely. He laughs when “Joe the Plumber” is mentioned, but says he has a great point. Lafrance Plumbing makes more than $250,000 a year, and would have to pay higher taxes if Senator Barack Obama is elected, and implements his tax plan. For Lafrance, lowering profits, is not an option.

    don’t most plumbers make like $80 an hour in labor? well they do in my area and at that rate 250k is a no brainer!

  92. birdgal,

    Dobbs is STOKED about the way BIBO are going after Joe.

    He calls them elitists and is astonished that democrats would risk class warfare and alienating blue collar workers.

    Dobbs also thinks Joe should run for congress. LOL

  93. That a##hole Cambi saying Joe is enjoying his 15 minutes of fame …..

    GAWD I would love to see Borger, Norah, Bytchell, madden, Ogremann, tweetie, martin and the entire BM line-up go down in flames.

  94. # birdgal Says:
    October 16th, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    The way that the media and bots are treating this plumber, is abhorrent and uncalled for. BO’s associates have not received this much scrutiny and malice. I sincerely hopes that this severely backfires on the BO campaign.

    I haven’t been watching the news, but Obama and his bots are all interested in personal destruction. Not even Obama has been this vetted with this much intent to expose by the media.

    It occurred to me that other than on Fox News, none of the major news agencies/networks has broken any negative story about Obama – it’s all been generated by the Clinton or McCain campaign and blogosphere or Fox

  95. So let me get this straight. We got right on determining whether Joe was a licensed LEGAL Plumber.

    But no one want to rush or investigate if O has a legal birth certificate, AND IS ELIGIBLE TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.


  96. ok question for you all

    I have to register here in SD now that i moved

    i am currently reg as a dem, wanted to have my vote seen as a dem vote for a rep this year (since hillary is out)

    on the form it asks me to state a party affiliation to be register too…….

    so my question is

    do i continue with signing up as a dem again? or do i switch to a indy? (planned to register as a ind. after election

    or doesn’t it matter much??

  97. did anyone here get in on the corsi conference call today??

    I wasn’t able to be home and would love to know what was said!!

  98. F***ing CR@P!!!!
    Can you BELIEVE this?
    (from hotair)

    Wurzelbacher registered as an apprentice with the Ohio State Apprenticeship Council in November 2003, according to Dennis Evans, spokesman with the Department of Job and Family Services. Records show his training, which was sponsored by A & W Newell Co. of Toledo, should have been wrapped last year.

    “We don’t have a record of completion,” Evans said. “All we know is that he registered in the program and has gone through to the point where we should have record of completion, but we don’t.”

    And that’s not the only record that’s missing from Wurzelbacher’s file. He doesn’t have a plumbing license required by the city of Toledo to practice, according to a staffer with the Toledo Division of Building Inspection. Wurzelbacher, who now works for Newell Plumbing & Heating Co., said the owner, Al Newell, has a plumbing license and that “because he works for someone else, he doesn’t need a license.”

    But even that’s not true, according to the Toledo Division of Building Inspection. Wurzelbacher can’t legally do plumbing work without a license, regardless of his boss’s certification.

    A staff person with the Toledo Division of Building Inspection told On Call this afternoon that her division will contact Wurzelbacher to notify him that he can’t work without a license.

    “We’re trying to track him down,” she said.

    Also revealed: His boss’s business probably doesn’t bring in anywhere near $250,000 a year so he should stop dreaming about turning it into one that does and what that might mean for his taxes. Which should be easy enough; he’ll probably be out of work soon anyway. Should have known better than to ask a media darling a tough question before your affairs were in order, Joe. Exit question: The law’s the law and it is, after all, his own fault for not having the papers he needs. If, say, an illegal alien had asked McCain a tough question and some righty media source responded by bringing his status to light, would the left feel the same way?

  99. djia,
    i heard the last ten minutes and Corsi was wrapping things up.

    he entire interview is supposed to be posted on the site i linked up-thread within 24 hours.

  100. Hi Folks:
    I wanted to let you know that I am going to play the Dr. Jerome Corsi interview that was done today by WND. I will start this replay at 8:00 pm central. It will last about 55 minutes. Dr. Corsi will discuss the Obama-Kenya connection, his being detained in Kenya and much more. He will also discuss the new ads that will run in the last 2 weeks before the election.

    This is a must hear interview.

    Click here to listen to the interview and also chat live with our members. On this page, where you see the white box that reads: “Your Nickname”, please type in the name you would like to have displayed in the chat room. Then click on “connect”. You do not need a password to enter the chat. This will bring you into the live chat room.


  101. NMF,

    you got it. Now this is change we can really beleive in! 👿

    djia, from what I understand if you’re registered dem and vote repub that has more impact than an indy voting dem.

    you ca always switch after the election. (that’s what i’m gonna do)

  102. Basil

    going after Joe the plumber is the final nail in the MSM coffin

    and it will be a nail in the BHO campaign as well come nov 4th

  103. thanks basil……..that was what i was thinking 😀

    ok… i will re-register dem and flip em the bird on nov 4th

  104. I really hope that the federal Department of Education gets bombarded with phone calls about this propagandized text in the schools. I would love to see the Republicans come down hard on this issue and make some demands of their own regarding it’s recall.

  105. debbie

    great news!! except that is when hannity is on .,. good thing it reruns here at 11pm 😀

    i sure hope i can hear this on eds sight being on dial up ?

  106. I wss reading some posts over on Riverdaughter, and apparently someone went over the the Daily Kos, and the bots have published the plumber’s personal address and phone number.

    Count the votes: “It occurred to me that other than on Fox News, none of the major news agencies/networks has broken any negative story about Obama – it’s all been generated by the Clinton or McCain campaign and blogosphere or Fox.”

    This is very, very true. None of the major networks have broken any negative story on BO. It has always come after, FOX or someone else reported the information. Yep, the networks are in BO’s pocket. With all his advertising, BO is supporting the networks, and lining their pockets. One doesn’t bite the hand that feeds them.

  107. for the corsi conference i didscovered by going to the original site for it that you can download the replay

  108. sure hope this is only the begining of AP being dropped……by what ever reason they want to give 😀 LOL

    Shocker: Tribune Co. Gives Notice To Drop AP

    By Joe Strupp

    Published: October 16, 2008 12:40 PM ET

    NEW YORK Tribune Company has given a two-year notice to the Associated Press that its daily newspapers plan to drop the news service, becoming the first major newspaper chain to do so since the recent controversy over new rates began.


    By K. Daniel Glover

    With 15 minutes of fame comes 15 hours of “gotcha” scrutiny — especially if you’re a voter who has dared to criticize Barack Obama, the liberal media’s Chosen One for president.

    Ohio plumber Joe Wurzelbacher has had his 15 minutes of fame, capping it off with an unplanned appearance as the poster boy of populist tax policy in last night’s presidential debate. So now it’s time for the press to turn its sights on him not as a human-interest story but as an investigative subject.

    Jonathan Martin of The Politico was among the first out of the gate, with blog posts noting that Wurzelbacher, affectionately known by most of America as “Joe The Plumber,” has a tax lien against him and doesn’t have a plumber’s license. Martin conveniently forgot to mention that the law doesn’t require one.) Bloomberg also has a story on the tax lien, and AP and The Washington Post did their part to make a story out of the “unlicensed” non-story.

    Liberal bloggers are swarming and smearing, too. (Via Instapundit)

    Expect more of the same over coming days. In fact, don’t be surprised if all of those investigative reporters sent to Alaska after John McCain chose Sarah Palin as his running mate suddenly get reassigned to the plumber beat in flyover country. Joe The Plumber must be discredited at all costs!

  110. I think theres plenty of people out there going to be pissed about this.

    A small town guy, who’s doing what he can to make a living as a plumber, wants the american unfortunately has a tax lien against him, hey look at the economy, theres plenty in the same boat now suddenly is a bad person according to Obama for daring to ask a question.

    This is bullying on a grand scale. Obama, this is small town America and you just offended it all to high hell.

  111. if you don’t vote for BHO you’re a racist, if you come out with any concern about his judgement or character or don’t agree with his policies you’re trashed in the media, when you’re no longer useful you get thrown under the bus.

    I used to think republicans were the bad party…omg I never ever ever thought I see the day when democrats stooped as low as they have.

    this is not change this is a nightmare

  112. The funny thing is, the guy was playing football in his own front yard when Obama walked up to him.


    Mr. Wurzelbacher was playing football in his front yard with his son, Joey, on Sunday afternoon when Mr. Obama made an unscheduled stop to go door to door greeting voters and asking for their support.

    But that will not prevent people from claiming that this is some kind of McCain operation. Insane Andrew Sullivan is already on the case.

  113. The funny thing is, the guy was playing football in his own front yard when Obama walked up to him.


    Mr. Wurzelbacher was playing football in his front yard with his son, Joey, on Sunday afternoon when Mr. Obama made an unscheduled stop to go door to door greeting voters and asking for their support.

    But that will not prevent people from claiming that this is some kind of McCain operation. Insane Andrew Sullivan is already on the case.

  114. Idunn Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
    I don’t think I’ve ever been so fucking disgusted with this country in my entire life.


    And to think, this is the first time MO has been proud of it…

  115. debbie Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
    if you don’t vote for BHO you’re a racist, if you come out with any concern about his judgement or character or don’t agree with his policies you’re trashed in the media, when you’re no longer useful you get thrown under the bus.

    I used to think republicans were the bad party…omg I never ever ever thought I see the day when democrats stooped as low as they have.

    this is not change this is a nightmare


    This is facism, which will only increase, if BO gains the presidency. If this is the change, we have been waiting for, I want off the trip.

    What is the connection b/w Keating and Joe the Plumber?

  116. sorry to be the bearer of not so good news about joe the plumber from that huffpost article above

    You see, Joe Wurzelbacher is apparently related to Robert Wurzelbacher. Who is the son-in-law of (are you ready…?) Charles Keating!

    Yes, that Charles Keating. The Charles Keating of the Keating 5 Scandal. For which John McCain was reprimanded by the United States Senate, for his involvement in attempting to illegally influence government regulators. The Charles Keating who John McCain has been trying to avoid have mentioned. So, he basically mentioned it 24 times.

  117. None Birdgal, read the comments, its a different person, just similar name. they’ve already backtracked it.

  118. Robert M. Wurzelbacher, son-in-law of Keating, was 37 years old in 1991 when federal charges were filed against Keating. It appears that he has addresses in Phoenix and Coronado, CA.

    The Robert M. Wurzelbacher of Milford, OH, a heavy donor to GOP candidates, is 83 years old and retired. They’re not the same person.

    Digging to see if this guy is a plant or a hypocrite is a good idea. But I think it’s equally important to know the link before idle speculation.

    So its hardly him, they will stoop to any level.

  119. moononpluto – i’ll go back and look, but will be nice if this is just bunk coming from the bots spin dept.

  120. About Joe’s tax lien,

    It can happen to anyone.
    I had one in NJ and didn’t find out about it until it was almost too late and my house was scheduled to be sold at auction.
    It turned out that during a refinancing the original bank hadn’t paid taxes on one of the quarters and the new bank didnt catch it so I was left in lienland limbo.

    It wasn’t fun. 👿

    Obama raised $1 million for foreign thug’s election
    Democrat joined Libya’s Gadhafi among top contributors to Odinga

    By Jerome R. Corsi
    © 2008 WorldNetDaily

    Raila Odinga
    NEW YORK – Sen. Barack Obama, with a donation of nearly $1 million, and a son of Libyan dictator Muammar Gadhafi were among the biggest contributors to the presidential campaign of controversial Kenyan leader Raila Odinga, according to an internal document obtained by WND.

    According to several highly credible ex-ODM sources WND interviewed in Kenya, the $950,000 raised for Odinga’s campaign came from a series of private meetings arranged for Odinga by Mark Lippert, a foreign policy adviser in Obama’s U.S. Senate office. The meetings with top-dollar Obama fundraisers and donors took place during Odinga’s 2006 trip to the U.S.

    to continue reading here:

    Kenyan insiders say Obama was part of takeover strategy
    Used 2006 ‘fact-finding’ trip to criticize sitting president

  122. Besides do you really think someone related to Charles Keating would be living in a small town as a plumber making a pittance as a single father, i dont think so.

  123. The Federal Reserve. Part3.

    Tell me to shut-up if this is too off-topic but this series is very powerful and it reinforces many of my gut instincts about recent events in the US.

    Personally, I never felt the Iraq War was justified, I never felt we should have invaded but once there I felt like American troops should be supported.
    I always thought Bush was lying through his teeth just like his father did during the Gulf War.

    This video makes me even more convinced and makes me even more afraid of BO.

    Many of us have felt like he is a front-man, a puppet. Zeitgeist lays out the calculated catalysts for WW1, WW11 And the Vietnamese War. In each case the US got involved through manipulated enemy attacks. In WW1 the Lusitania attack was an orchestrated sacrifice to incite the American Public. According to the film, WW11 was likewise instigated by provoking the Japanese and the attack on Pearl Harbor was
    known about days before it happened.

    Vietnam was started with the Gulf of Tonken Incident which McNamara and others later admitted was a staged event.

    From my perspective, having spoken to Post Office employees who had received photos of planes ramming into the WTC years before the attacks I’m convinced there was some complicity from the government and who knows, perhaps it will have turned out to be just another in a long line of intentional sacrifices for another agenda.

    And BO, I fear, is another link in this shadow power play.

  124. This Joe the plumber is turning out to be such a huge symbol for McCain on small business and Obama’s tax burden on them — he will capitalize on it if he is smart. On NQ, there are comments from some of these business owners which is actually quite enlightening for non-business types including Obama.

  125. Idunn Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
    I don’t think I’ve ever been so fucking disgusted with this country in my entire life.

    And to think…this is the first time MO has been poud of it…

  126. ANyone else watching this Alfred e smith dinner on hannity????

    Cardinal Egan between JM and BO.
    Bo’s doing his best snob pose. The rest of the guests are all penguin-clad politicians 95% male.


  127. LOL @ colmes as a grasshopper

    I was thinking more like the stick man in that movie “nightmare before xmas” ( sorry that wasn’t nice…..but just saying)

  128. Just saw HRC.
    Everyone looks so friggin happy. why wouldn’t they be? this election is just a game to them and doesn’t really affect their lives. how disgusting.

    Anyway, listening to Corsi and he’s talking about Odinga – he says the Kenya story alone can defeat BO. BTW – Odinga named his son Fidel Castro odinga. 🙄

  129. I’m sorry if this comes off as racist, because for the almost 6 decades I have been able to even think in those terms, each self examination has added up to “probably not”, at the least …to “of course not”, at best.

    (Prejudice is another topic– ajudged over many years, many overseas experiences. many run-ins with many individuals, over many international workforce and individual rights and fights…and as I said, over many years.)

    But, back to personal racism…

    I woke up from a late morning nap to Barack Obama, on the radio, preaching at me…he was at a rally somewhere, and sounded so different from last night.

    Sarah Palin is criticized for dropping “g” sounds in her speaking:
    ..goin’, wantin’, carin’, etc. Along with her betcha and gosh durns, she’s been taken to the woodshed by our ever so erudite BM talkin’ heads.

    I’ve never thought a thing about her speech, other than how “north country” it sounded…like in Fargo. I’ve always liked the way she talks.

    But Obama’s speech today was so different from last night… he drops his “g” too, and “r” “t” and “d” …only he substitutes “ahh” for “ing”, “er” and “d” …as in Wanna, gonna, Chicaga, whenevah, ya futcha and on and on… I felt like I was in the middle of a Spike Lee movie or in the middle of a sermon in a white tent… and it sounded so– southern preacher. I don’t like my reaction to his preachin’, and wonder how much of it I will ever be able to put up with.

    It seems he can go from professor to preacher in a NY minute, and I don’t know who he is. At least it would take Hillary a day or two to pick up her Arkansas accent after visiting “back home…but Bobo never lived in the South.

    He is Just.So.Fake.

  130. McCain is doing a great job. Great sense of humor and timing.

    Dija: Grasshopper was the nicest thing that I could come up with. Stickman, in the movie “nightmare before xmas” sounds more appropriate. 👿

  131. guys, are you watching that Al Smith dinner, McCain is on.. he is very good, tongue in cheek but read between the lines..

  132. Corsi says Khadafi and Obama are supporting Odinga to bring muslim law to kenya and Obama is on board with the imposition of sharia law.

    Corsi says he will be working on ads to be aired during the last 2 weeks of the campaign.
    The whole story will be told in battle states by commercials.

    Corsi say the Meesh recording is real and she mentions him as evil – he has 6 monyhs of odinga cell phone bills ….

  133. that was a serious smack down with a huge sense of humor!! and all bambi could do was LOL right with him

    how much you wanna bet bam’s is regretting that he let McCain go first this time ROTFLMAO!!!

  134. Hi all…I wish some cable show or talk show, maybe huckabee or greta…someone would put Joe the plumber on tv and give him a segment to represent , the ‘average Joe’ or jane…someone to talk for everyday people…maybe where he could react to emails or phone calls, etc…he is hitting a nerve and resonating…

    even though the obama camp is trying to demonize him i think it will backfire…

    from what I can perceive…there goes the plumbers vote for the dems…and if mccain plays his cards right and they keep on this theme…soon to follow are the electricians, and then the carpet and floor people, etc…

    obama has no idea, or maybe hoped we would not catch on, that $250,000 is not much for a business with a payroll and equipment, etc…

    obama is really trying to just reproduce bill clinton’s 1992 plan and basically using a lot of bill’s blueprint from those days (putting people first)…but the times are different…and this time around the government has their hands in the private banks…

    I truly wish mccain was a better communicator, besides palin’s best attempts, he needs to start pounding the taxes, working people, and complete democratic takeover and control over and over and over again…and get those ads up and his spokespeople on message…repetition…mccain needs clarity and repetition

    stick to his message and repeat it and everyone else on message…

    why can’t they do that? they have three precious weeks…focus…

  135. Corsi requested a registration of Kenyan birth but original docs are under seal in kenya and corsi can’t get access.

    Something is being hidden.
    Meesh said BO was adopted by his Indonesian step-father.We don’t know if he had an Indonesian passport or how he came back into the US.

  136. on CNN’s website there’s this BIG picture of McCain with the title, “Is it too late?” and saying McCain trails Obama by 8


  137. What is going on with Joe the Plummer? After watching the local news stations here in Pittsburgh go absolutely bat shit over mesmells obama visiting I have vowed to distance myself from big media indefinately. I get far too upset by the fawning. I rec’d two emails today teling me that Joe is not licensed anf that he is a registered Republican? I can’t argue with the bots anymore but would greatly appreciate some light on the subject.

  138. Just: CNN hasn’t had an accurate poll, have they? They are an outlier, from all the other polls out today.

  139. timjcain,

    he doesn’t have to be licensed since he’s working for someone else.
    I believe he is a registered repub and fyi, he didn’t approach BO, BO was schmoozing the neighborhood and came up to Joe in his yard.

  140. why wasnt there anything about Obama never heading the committee on Afraganstian? this is another area McCain can strike

  141. justmeinmountdorafl
    The press never picked it up. McCain did bring it up in one debate that he never held a meeting of the sub-committee he chaired on Afghanistan.

  142. McCain said “Maverick I can do, but messiah is above my paygrade”..

    Hillary is just about fell off her chair laughing.

  143. bail9
    thankyou I thought as much. Using a phone right now to read posts and it ain’t easy. I just cannot watch the news. Locally here in Pittsburgh it was borderline pornographic the way the fawned over that thing. A scant two minutes given to Murtha’s accusations of racism and that brief bit was monopolized by his recanting.
    By the way I am henry. My phone logged me in using the original screenname I had here and can’t seem to log out.

  144. rjk, he should have an ad – do you want a president who does not care about your soldiers who are protecting your safety in afrangstain – to seek out Osama Bin Laden – did you know that not once did Obama head the committee overseeing Afraganstain

  145. so what if joe the plumber is a republican – does that mean he does not have the right to ask obama a question and disagree…i thought obama was going to have all these repubs voting for him – so now everyone must fall in line and be in agreement with obama if he takes control…very scary stuff

    btw…did anyone catch neil cavuto’s piece about obama today…he was reacting to obama whining about fox…neil was very articulate and said so much of what so many of us feel…he had a great line about things not being about the color of obama’s skin but more like the thickness of it…since he is fine with an adoring press but cannot take criticism…

    if anyone has a copy of what he said…it is so worth reprinting here…

    I heard it today at about 3-4 ish est…i will try to find it…

  146. justmeinmountdorafl
    I agree, Obama has been stating that the real danger is Afghanistan yet he never held a meeting of his oversight committee. I would plaster it everywhere.

  147. She was really laughing when Mccain said that he “felt some people in the room were secretly pulling for him to win and by the way Hillary where is Bill tonight?”

  148. Common Sense by neil cavuto

    Well, I hope Senator Obama doesn not “hate” FOX News, but I think it is fair to say he doesn’t flip over us.

    That is fine, Senator. Here’s what isn’t: Blasting those who simply challenge you — challenge you on numbers that don’t add up and programs whose costs don’t measure up.

    We do the same here with your opponent, and his folks don’t much like it either, senator. And trust me, I have the angry phone calls and e-mails from their people to prove it.

    My point, Senator Obama, is you’re a sensation, but you’re not a saint — and not above being challenged.

    Yours has been a gilded, almost charmed political life. Remarkable, really, which explains the media’s reaction to you fully. You are very, very good. And the media is very, very impressed.

    But not all in the media — who take nothing away from you and your remarkable story but do insist on taking it to you on your policies. There is a difference, senator.

    Appreciating our obligation to distinguish is what makes a leader, not a whiner. Your hero John Kennedy got that. Do you?

    You clearly relish a media that fawns over you, but does that mean getting childishly pricklish when some refuse to?

    You are free not to answer our questions, but we’re free to keep raising them, even as your campaign feels free to question the motives behind them.

    Some of your surrogates have even gone so far as to say it’s a racial thing. Senator, please, this has nothing to do with the color of your skin, but maybe the thickness of it.

    If you become president, senator, you will run into far worse than portly financial anchors questioning your math. You have now invited some to question your very temperament — a man who beneath that cool and calm exterior hides a remarkably long memory and an even more remarkable — even childish — short fuse.

    You are far too busy to answer my advice now, senator. I just hope, if you become president, that you will remember it.

    send your comments to


    neil is on the money with this one!

  149. djia, I turned the channel when he came on but peeked when he said something about fox and not many laughed and he was laughing and waiting to see if they pick up but they didn’t. McCain was good.

  150. moononpluto/rjk1957
    what are you guys reffering to I am stuck in transit and only have a phone to browse. A link to those statements would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance

  151. Henry, its the annual dinner that politician s poke fun at each other, McCain should be doing stand up, he’s freaking hilarious.

  152. Remember that old SNL clip? The one where he was “singing” Streistand songs? He was hilarious in that one, too.

  153. moononpluto
    do you have a link? I’m not very good at navigating on the phone screen. Took me twenty minutes to figure out how to go to my usual screen name.

  154. oh please – on msnbc – a 65 year old mccain/palin supporter was accused of beating up two obama supporters when they chanted Obama Obama at palins’ rally and accusing Palin of promoting violence – on MSNBC

  155. henry: I remember that. Was it only a couple of weeks ago? LOL.

    Just: a 65 y/o woman beat up 2 obama supporters? What were they, 80 yrs old? Give me a break. This is ridiculous.

  156. so glad Cavuto countered the Obama whine fest!!

    very well said Neil Cavuto!!

    McCain is hilarious and i agree stand up would have suited him well

    and i must say it would be fun to have a president that can inspire Americans to giggle a bit
    while at the same time reassure them he’s a serious fighter on our side…. sure hope he defeats the ” ______ ” trying to take over our country and has the opportunity to be a great president for all of us not just republicans

    it would so great to have a president that is truly bi partisan and will work for ALL Americans not just his/her constituents.

  157. Funny thing as I have already posted upthread under my actual name, the last being Cain I have spoken with several reletives who are actually lifelong democrats who are voting for him because of his surname, Mc equals son of. I think it is the saddest excuse ever to vote for someone because of his ethnicity. Either way. So I guess my calling them on thie choice(which I agree with but for the wrong reasons) makes me anti-irish american. Keeping up with what others tell me is my racism can be exhausting.

  158. McCain was gracious and said nice things about BHO and also acknowledged the work of the Al Smith Foundation…what did BHO say…nada

  159. obama’s humor is all about him…he doesn’t know anything else outside of himself…him, him, him…

    he is an ass…and not funny…

    debbie, he is not gracious…

  160. i said months ago and I still believe it to be true: bambi has no sense of humor especially when it comes to himself. During the primaries I believe Senator Clinton’s most effective moment was when she was showing his achillies HILL. Celestial choirs and what not. He can take criticism but I don’t think he handles being laughed at. I don’t think he is equiped for that. The celebrity ads dismantled him for a moment I hope McCain can find more ammo of that sort.

  161. debbie Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
    McCain was gracious and said nice things about BHO and also acknowledged the work of the Al Smith Foundation…what did BHO say…nada


    debbie, i was referring to obama not being gracious in reaction to what you said about mccain…mccain was very gracious and really funny

    obama and his lectures and santimony…

  162. Really dumb question
    I recently moved to PA from NY and I know who my senators are but I have no clue as to who the House members are who repesent me. I am in western PA which Clinton won but I will not vote for anyone who endorsed that one pre-primary, I am ignorant with regards to congressional districts.

  163. henry: Murtha endorsed Senator Clinton. He is in danger of losing his seat. Apparently, his opponent has raised almost double the money. I wonder, if his opponent is supported by Pelosi, et al?

  164. henry go to

    tons of great information on all US senators and Representatives, bills they wrote, sponsored, vote for/against

    great research tool

  165. henry you can find your congressman at the following link just enter your state and zipcode. It is a contact from but their name will appear at the top.

  166. LOL…I just watched the clip of McCain at the dinner. He nailed his speech and poor O couldn’t do anything but pretend that the digs at him were funny.

    I loved seeing Hillary laugh so much at McCain’s jokes.

    Well done!

  167. birdgal
    I may be mistaken but i thought Murtha came out for bambi pretty early, to the chagrin of his constituents. Needless to say I will never cast a vote for him but if he was all about the waffles I will work for his opponent.

    thankyou I am on my phone tonight so i don’t know if thst site will help. All I want is to be able to enter my zipcode and know who my reps are, I have gone to manyplaces and they all have thier lists but I want to know before I enter the voting booth. i am ashamed to admit but in every election prior I have voted straight democrat, NO MORE. But I also need to be able to access who these people are!!!!

  168. henry the gives insight into the types of legislation this gang is trying to put over on the American people. when you have a chance look it up

    loc=Library of Congress

  169. Henry: Murtha WAS for Sen. Clinton, and he campaigned a lot for her.

    Have you received your General Election Ballot information? They should have a list of candidates.

  170. pm317
    i stand corrected he did endorse Senator Clinton. yet I am still going to vote against him and work to make sure he is as far from the seat of power as is possible, I am not voting for oblah blah blah umm err because of his race. Shut the fuck up!!!!!! I am voting against him because he is unqualified, Sadly I am beginning to believe that to call me a racist is to say that I am a thinking person. I have sat silently on a bus and been harrangued by individuals and called a neo-nazi as I believed that HRC was the best choice. I now go to my second choice and I wear a McCain pin proudly and I welcome anyone and everyone who says I am acting out of some rediculous animosity/fear/hatred to persons who may have a different pallor.

  171. Look at the screenshot from MSNBC in this blog. How the hell is it not hurting him?

  172. Birdgal
    no no info packet nor in my 23 years of voting have I ever rec’d one. Most of my adult life spent in NYC so that might explain it–sublets/shares hard to pin down,

  173. henry: Murtha’s comment was offensive. I don’t understand, why he would say such a thing.

    I live in CA, and we receive a GE booklet, and sample ballot.

  174. When I was talking to a friend of mine, I said that O never takes responsibility or apologizes for anything.

    They said, of course he does, he apologized to German.

    That says it all.

  175. Letterman is being obnoxious, worse than VIEW, going off on Palin. Is she qualified? did you just pick her on a whim?. Ayers.. is he really a terrorist? Obama was 8 years old, he cna’t control who he will interact with. Very bad..

  176. im watching mcain again hillary looks so darn good and she is laughing at hillarious Jmccain.. seems though mccain talks about hill and bill than the whole democratic party..

    GO mccain/palin…im glad mccain is bringing up that chris icky mathews and up his leg the tingles because alott of people do not or never knew what went on in the primarys.and how Hillary was booted out.
    She is still the only smart one and knows how to fix us back ontrack for America.

  177. What is Letterman trying to do? He is old enough to remember the Weathermen and the bombings. McCain is handling it? Good for him.

  178. OK, McCain straightened it by saying he is an open book about Liddy and Obama has lied. But Letterman went back to Palin’s “palling around terrorists” plural, and asked who else? McCain had to brush it off..But it was an ambush and Letterman used Obama’s talking points.

  179. I think letterman was following orders (perhaps scripted)……..IMHO

    it gave John McCain perfect openings to say what he needed to say to the american people who are hearing all the same questions and comments that Letterman was

  180. I should clarify that with I think it was a planned with the mccain camp for letterman to “create” dialog that would allow mccain to talk about and answer all the BHO talking points.

    I see tonights letterman interview as a very good thing

  181. even if it wasn’t “planned” as i suggested either way

    it gave McCain the perfect opportunity to answer all the BHO talking points
    and offer a new vision on it……. i still believe this will be over all good for Mac

  182. speaking of ambush-

    L: I received an interesting phone call from a male caller a moment ago. He was reluctant to identify himself but when I pressed him he said he was your husband. He claimed he was following up in response to an email which RP sent to you. He asked about me to describe the incident referred to in Rs email. I did so. I assumed he was calling in good faith since you are a friend of R.

    After describing the incident I gave him some additional information on the core elements of the Dean Plan which I learned about after the threat. He lost his cool, launched into a diatribe about Bush and accused me of being of all things a Republican. An interesting reaction, since I am a Democrat and a political opponent of Bush. He was pretty hotheaded and said this sounded like a robocall. Whatever.

    It appears that he was not looking for information but was wanting to do a drive by and hang up. As I spoke to him at Rs request I rely on your discretion to ensure that he does not do something stupid since I do have caller id. This is the problem with Obama supporters. They want to silence people. That has driven many of us to McCain.

    I have heard tell that your husband is a trust fund baby. Perhaps that explains his idiosyncatic behavior. In any event he doesnt interest me. I consider the matter closed.

  183. debbie Says: BHO said today…. How many plumbers do you know that make $250,000 a year?
    basically saying Joe the plumber is a fraud….
    Joe’s business could very well make that much money, there are lots of plumbing franchises out there that could make this kind of money

    Are they talkiing about gross or net or taxable income or what?

    Has no news coverage clarified that?

  184. debbie Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    McCain has entrepreneurs spooked about tax hikes, but fewer than 2% of small business owners would pay more under Obama’s plan.

    Assuming this fact is accurate what if you were employed by one of those 2%…would that be ok?

    Right, good catch of a fallacy. It’s a matter of how many WOULD have to pay it, not how many would not.

    And, most small businesses never gt off the ground anyway, or stay registered but bring in only hobby money. They need to look at businesses that are actually viable — like, having one or more employoees making decent full time salaries.

    And again , is ths gross or net or waht a good tax accountant comes out with as ‘taxable lilncome’?

  185. It was left on answering service. Sounded like Donna Brazille. We traced it to a verizon subcontractor throw away phone in New Jersey. We have the name. I mentioned it to a friend a while back and he decided to let his most trusted friends know and I got this call. Left to their own devices people will do stupid things. When there is a pattern there is cause for concern. This joker was a bot for sure. If there is any truth to the idea that the first generation makes the fortune, the second administers it and the third squanders it then this glorious bot is definitely third wave.

  186. Are they talkiing about gross or net or taxable income or what?

    Has no news coverage clarified that?
    Of course not. Dianne Sawyer was far too confused to ask a logical question.

    But by simple logic I understood he was thinking about buying a business with a 250k revenue stream. That is gross revenue. He would have offsetting costs and expenses which would diminish that amount.

  187. fROM API: Yes, we have the proof and soon , if the huge interest continues as it has
    been today, we will have to post all the proof on the net.

    You are always welcome to reach us on this issue.

    Chief Editor AP


  188. Joe the plumber specifically said if he were to buy the company and expand it with trucks and equipment..he would be making that kind of money. So he was not talking about an individual plumber making that kind of money. Obama in his usual deceitfulness has turned it to mean that.

  189. for API story updates check, Jeff Schreiber. He had an update earlier: in answer to why would she call API, it seems some Nairobi contact egged her to contact them because they were not portraying Obama in the correct way.

  190. Letterman is being obnoxious, worse than VIEW, going off on Palin. Is she qualified? did you just pick her on a whim?. Ayers.. is he really a terrorist? Obama was 8 years old, he cna’t control who he will interact with. Very bad
    the point is he continued to associate with him after he knew and after he became a public official.

  191. DIJA said i am currently reg as a dem, wanted to have my vote seen as a dem vote for a rep this year (since hillary is out)

    I would definitely sign up as Dem. That also gives you the right to vote in future Dem primaries, and perhaps for their county officials, etc.

  192. Did anyone see Greta tonight? She had a guy on (forget his name) who had been on the case of Ayers way back when. Just as she was about to ask the last and most important question (she said) you could hear this loud beep and then she said they lost the signal.

    The man wasn’t there in her studio. They just totally lost him and she couldn’t ask the question she wanted to ask. I think she said she was going to try to have him on again, but not sure if I heard that right.

    I had to wonder if that was just a coincidence or if it was deliberate interference. Maybe I’m getting paranoid, lol.

  193. count the votes says:
    You see, Joe Wurzelbacher is apparently related to Robert Wurzelbacher. Who is the son-in-law of (are you ready…?) Charles Keating!
    Yes, that Charles Keating. The Charles Keating of the Keating 5 Scandal. For which John McCain was reprimanded by the United States Senate, for his involvement in attempting to illegally influence government regulators.

    Thse are strong claims that need a good cite. A cite that considers them ‘good news’ does not sound very impartial.

    ‘Related’ to Keating’s son in law? How closely? Like Obama is related to Dick Cheney?

    McCain was reprimanded for poor judement in defending Keating — not for actually being involved in Keating’s wrong-doing.


    In the last 24 hours, API has been consulting legal advisers on the way forward in order to avoid being sued by the Obama camp. API has realised that the contents of the tapes if made public may change the political atmosphere in America for ever, especially in the next few days.

    Due to enormous reactions received, API now understands the impact of the statements made by Mrs Obama. The American people have reacted in a way we in API would never have expected.

    Many have question why Mrs Obama would choose a little known online media group instead of the American media. API was chosen because of a Nairobi contact that did not like the way API was covering Barack Obama using information collected from American media outlets. The Nairobi contact prevailed upon Mrs Obama to talk to API.

    The only thing API may have done wrong is not informing Mrs Obama that the conversation was being recorded. This is why it is taking time to release the recording while consulting a legal team because API wants to be legally safe from any Obama camp law suit.

    The US Media Outlets:

    Since the release of Mrs Obama story, many US media outlets have insisted that API should release the recordings made when Mrs Obama spoke with API. We understand the importance of the recordings in our possession and yet the first thing we are thinking of is not simply to make them public because groups are pressurising API to do so. The release of the information will be done, because we know we have Mrs Obama on tape, but API must do it in a way that does not put API in an embarrassing legal situation.

    Die-hard Obama supporters:

    A number of Americans who are die-hard Obama followers have tried their best to intimidate API using all kinds of threatening methods when they call in and when they email us. They are implying that API is planning to destroy Obama’s chances to become the next US President. API does not have a direct interest in the US Presidential elections and we want Obama supporters to understand that. However, when someone who may become the next first lady makes such comments as in the story we have published, the public have the right to know. Intimidation directed to the publishers of the story is not the answer.

    The delay to make public the recordings is expected to give time to Mrs Obama to come clean and tell the American people that her comments were not meant to harm anyone but that she was reacting to the media pressure on her husband. She should also come out and tell the American people that she will not discriminate those who are not Obama fanatics if she becomes the first lady.

    Die-hard Mcain supporters:

    Those who do not support Obama are actively pushing for the release of the recordings also, and we understand them very well. In many telephone conversations with them we, however, get disturbed when we realise that most of them want the recordings to be released because they want to use it to stop Senator Obama from being elected President. They state clearly that if the story is true and released now, the contents will safe America from a constitutional crisis that may come if things come out after the elections that proves Obama was adopted by a foreigner, thus, disqualifying him from the Presidency.


    The recordings that API will release soon will not lie to the American people. Most probably, it will change the political landscape, something the Americans should start getting prepared to face.

    Published by Chief Editor Korir

  195. I hope the PUMAS in thier infinite dilegence bombard CBS/Worldwide Pants/ Letterman and every advertiser on the program with a deluge of emails and snail mail. Personnally I have used my parental controls to block Letterman, the has been. He wants to seem pertinent to the youth but he comes off even sadder than madonna in his desperation. With age should come a semblance of maturity.

  196. wbboei and others,

    There’s good solid info about various things earlly in this thread. Saw people inquiring about those very things late in the thread, must have come in late?

  197. Reposting from the last thread as it is important info:
    Comment box at bottom. No login EASY, GOOD INFO!

    Agent Bill Slavoski said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers and not one heard the comment.
    He said the agency conducted an investigation Wednesday, after seeing the story, and could not find one person to corroborate the allegation other than Singleton.

    Slavoski said more than 20 non-security agents were interviewed Wednesday, from news media to ordinary citizens in attendance at the rally for the Republican vice presidential candidate held at the Riverfront Sports Complex. He said Singleton [the reporter who made the clalim] was the only one to say he heard someone yell “kill him.”

    “We have yet to find someone to back up the story,” Slavoski said. “We had people all over and we have yet to find anyone who said they heard it.”
    Slavoski said Singleton was interviewed Wednesday and stood by his story but couldn’t give a description of the man because he didn’t see him he only heard him

  198. Morning all –

    Wbboei, Moon, turndown, Idunn (everyone)

    This one is for you.

    Polling fallacies and very good.


    In such an environment, where admitting to disliking Obama in the interpersonal sphere has become the equivalent of social suicide, it seems very likely that the Bradley Effect is not just back, but back with a vengeance. The more that Obama supporters go unchallenged in their blanket accusations of racism against McCain supporters, the less likely anyone will publicly admit to dislike of Obama. Hence, the Bradley Effect is not an artifact of racism, but rather an artifact of false accusations of racism.

    So, when the phone rings and the pollster calls — and your Clever Hans social antennae tell you the pollster is young and liberal and likely an Obama supporter — would you have the nerve to tell the pollster the truth that you wouldn’t vote for Obama in a million years? I mean, they called you; they know your number. They know who you are. Can you be absolutely sure they aren’t putting a check mark in the “Racist” box next to your name in some mysterious database?

  199. more:

    In 1968, Richard Nixon did the exact reverse of what the Democrats are now doing. Instead of announcing bombastically that he and the Republicans had complete domination of the media and the electorate, his key campaign slogan was “The Silent Majority.” Nixon knew full well that the atmosphere of the times made the Republican prospects looks pretty bleak. Youth culture and the social revolution of the 1960s were at a peak; left-wing ideology was soaring in popularity, a huge demographic of young post-war Baby-Boomers had just reached voting age and were thought to loathe the old-fashioned Republicanism; and the media had long had a serious vendetta against Nixon. Everything seemed aligned to ensure a handy victory for Humphrey and the Democrats. But Nixon sensed that behind the media frenzy about hippies and riots and drugs and revolution, there was, literally, a “silent majority” of staid conservative voters whose voices and viewpoints were being ignored. And all he needed to do was to reassure those voters that they existed across the country, even if the media and popular culture ignored them. And, to everyone’s astonishment, Richard Nixon, who was considered by many to be a laughingstock, the last holdout of a pathetic dying breed of old fogeys, managed to pull out a razor-thin victory in what seemed like the most hostile possible social environment.

  200. John Murtha is not too far off on his observatios about race.Last night a McCain hq had tires abd rocks thrown through its windows in Pittsburgh.This area is very wary of the threats and damage inflicted on the supporters of Hillary and McCain when signs,buttons and conversations about them are produced.I never thought that this would happen to this extent in our country.It is a sad day indeed.After all it was the Hustler and his supporters that produced the ever flowing stream of Race Cards.It is unfair to John Murtha to accuse him of racism.He is a decorated war hero and has fought for all of his constituents no matter their race or color.So much troubling problems to correct,so little time to do so.


    By ABM90

  201. Norma — I think that’s right. I can’t get my relatives to tell me they aren’t going to vote for Obama. One just snorted when I asked if it’s Obama. So I then said, you’re voting for McCain? and I got back, “Well there are only two people running!”

    Also, who wants to admit that they aren’t part of the ‘in crowd’? We’ve been told so many times that the only ones not adoring Obama are the old and the uneducated and white bigots and the bitter, clinging to the guns and religion.

    When I get a call from a Dem worker, and I tell them that I’m not voting for O, they are more surprised than anything else.

    OTOH, the relentless denigration of Sarah by Maher and Letterman and all of the other clever comics has caused a lot of women to turn off McC and lower his approval ratings. She’s not hip enough either. Sad.

  202. freckles, my friends say to me “Have you decided to vote for Obama yet?”

    WHERE they get the idea that I would ever entertain that nightmare is beyond me – yet they still ask as if it is something I WILL change my mind about.

    It’s the “yet” that gives them away…..

  203. wbboei Says:

    October 17th, 2008 at 1:30 am
    Are they talkiing about gross or net or taxable income or what?

    Has no news coverage clarified that?
    Of course not. Dianne Sawyer was far too confused to ask a logical question.

    But by simple logic I understood he was thinking about buying a business with a 250k revenue stream. That is gross revenue. He would have offsetting costs and expenses which would diminish that amount.
    Obama has never clarified this. He has never said rather it would be gross or net, if it would be after the offsetting costs, he has never been specific. I did see some talking head on fox (some DNC suporter) saying it would be the amount the owner takes home after the business costs the morning after the debate, but I’m not sure if that is true, because this was not Obama saying it, or someone from his campaign, just a dem advisor. So I don’t know that they have the authority to speak for Obama. Maybe he has clarified it now and I just haven’t seen it yet. But this attempt to discredit Joe the plumber is disgusting, he is a private citizen who asked a politician a legitimate question at a campaign stop, trying to find dirt on him angers me. And I hope this blows up in the dems faces. I have a feeling there are alot more Joe the plumbers out there then anyone realizes.

  204. Good late morning!
    Megan Kelly on Fox just tore Wolfson a new one when the discussion between him and Huckabee about Joe-the-plumber turned to remarks like, “He’s not even a plumber and he has a lien against his house.”

    Megan went OFF yelling “WHO CARES!!!! It’s not like Joe tracked BO down. BO showed up in hie neighborhood! And the left-wing blogs going nuts over this poor man are obscene!” (paraphrasing.)

    Wolfson dropped that talking point real fast. hehehehe

  205. basil, in related, read here:

    and here

  206. BO is a little dictator and I do have a problem with those Democrats who are not holding Obama to the same standards as any other American and our laws.

  207. Regarding MO, I do believe she said it. If she had not she would be all over the place denying it.

    The issue is what kind of spin Obama and the Demoratic? Taliban Party going to do to make it go away.

  208. Oct 17, 2008 9:17 am US/Eastern

    Computers Stolen From Boston ACORN Office

    BOSTON (AP) ― Police are investigating a possible burglary at the Boston offices of the community activist group ACORN.

    Chris Leonard, an official with the Boston branch of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, tells the Boston Herald several computers were stolen from the group’s Dorchester office either late Wednesday or early Thursday.

    According to police, the alarm had been ripped from the wall, three computers had been stolen and wires had been damaged. The report says two downstairs offices also were ransacked, two vending machines were damaged and change stolen from them.

    Leonard says he does not know if the break-in was politically motivated, but called the timing “suspicious.”

  209. djia,

    my first thought was that the bots had gone on a spree to suppress the information in those computers. Obama is running so scared right now. Nothing would surprise me.

  210. The more I see of Sarah Palin the more I admire her. To go against your party and suffer at their hands but still stay uncorruptable and strong so that you can continue to fight for all the people of this great country, instead of a few is someone I want in the White House.

    After GWB and Cheney and now the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY, the people need to wake up and take back their country and NOT be fooled by PARTY ALLIEGIENCE but by the CHARACTER of those who lead.

    And let me say this about all these RICH people supporting “The One”…True Dictators never change their ultimate goals for power and once they get it they tend to want yours too by promising to give those who do not have power yours.

  211. On the Al Smith Dinner last night, McCain was funny with a serious base to his address while nObama just went THUD and he was about the only one who laughed at his. There should have been an applause meter; that would have shown McCain hit it out of the ballpark. It was so good to see McCain address Hillary in such a ‘funny but , asw we al l know, accurate’ manner and to see her laugh again.

    I agree with O’Reilly and others that McCain needs to nail the jello to the wall with the “insider” terrorists who have wrecked our financial system…name names and promise to go after them – this will assure his win if the election is not already stolen by nObama.

    It has been a long long journey. I am worn out. Election night should be long. It is October. I want my surprise.

  212. I was watching fox on that Al Smith Dinner, and someone they had on sat next to a lady who was pro Obama, and was excited to see him, at the end though she commented, he really can’t laugh at himself can he, its important for a president to be able to laugh at himself. The commentator said she left looking a little confused.

  213. The guy also said he was shocked at how much warmer McCain’s reception was than Obama’s he was actually expecting the opposite.

  214. basil9 Says:

    October 17th, 2008 at 9:42 am
    Good late morning!
    Megan Kelly on Fox just tore Wolfson a new one when the discussion between him and Huckabee about Joe-the-plumber turned to remarks like, “He’s not even a plumber and he has a lien against his house.”

    Megan went OFF yelling “WHO CARES!!!! It’s not like Joe tracked BO down. BO showed up in hie neighborhood! And the left-wing blogs going nuts over this poor man are obscene!” (paraphrasing.)

    Wolfson dropped that talking point real fast. hehehehe
    I caught part of that, but I didn’t hear the part of her yelling at him, but am glad she did. I did hear Wolfson say he Joe didn’t make 250 a year and under Obama he would benefit, and huckabee and Megan corrected him saying he wants to buy a business that makes that. That’s another way they are trying to spin this, he’s lying and doesn’t make that. Then he was like oh, like he didn’t know that, and then admitted Joe would pay more. He had his list of talking points ready though. It is obscene they are going after this guy, I hope they fall flat on their face.

  215. October 17, 2008
    Who’s Playing the Race Card?
    By Charles Krauthammer
    WASHINGTON — Let me get this straight. A couple of agitated yahoos in a rally of thousands yell something offensive and incendiary, and John McCain and Sarah Palin are not just guilty by association — with total strangers, mind you — but worse: guilty according to The New York Times of “race-baiting and xenophobia.”
    But should you bring up Barack Obama’s real associations — 20 years with Jeremiah Wright, working on two foundations and distributing money with William Ayers, citing the raving Michael Pfleger as one who helps him keep his moral compass (Chicago Sun-Times, April 2004) and the long-standing relationship with the left-wing vote-fraud specialist ACORN — you have crossed the line into illegitimate guilt by association. Moreover, it is tinged with racism.
    The fact that, when John McCain actually heard one of those nasty things said about Obama, he incurred the boos of his own crowd by insisting that Obama is “a decent person that you do not have to be scared (of) as president” makes no difference. It surely did not stop John Lewis from comparing McCain to George Wallace.

    The search for McCain’s racial offenses is untiring and often unhinged. Remember McCain’s Berlin/celebrity ad that showed a shot of Paris Hilton? An appalling attempt to exploit white hostility at the idea of black men “becoming sexually involved with white women,” fulminated New York Times columnist Bob Herbert. He took to TV to denounce McCain’s exhumation of that most vile prejudice, pointing out McCain’s gratuitous insertion in the ad of “two phallic symbols,” the Washington Monument and the Leaning Tower of Pisa.
    Except that Herbert was entirely delusional. There was no Washington Monument. There was no Leaning Tower. Just photographs seen in every newspaper in the world of Barack Obama’s Berlin rally in the setting he himself had chosen, Berlin’s Victory Column.
    Herbert is not the only fevered one. On Tuesday night, Rachel Maddow of MSNBC and Jonathan Alter of Newsweek fell over themselves agreeing that the “political salience” of the Republican attack on ACORN is, yes, its unstated appeal to racial prejudice.
    This about an organization that is being accused of voter registration fraud in about a dozen states. In Nevada, the investigating secretary of state is a Democrat. Is he playing the race card too?
    What makes the charges against McCain especially revolting is that he has been scrupulous in eschewing the race card. He has gone far beyond what is right and necessary, refusing even to make an issue of Obama’s deep, self-declared connection with the race-baiting Jeremiah Wright.
    In the name of racial rectitude, McCain has denied himself the use of that perfectly legitimate issue. It is simply Orwellian for him to be now so widely vilified as a stoker of racism. What makes it doubly Orwellian is that these charges are being made on behalf of the one presidential candidate who has repeatedly, and indeed quite brilliantly, deployed the race card.
    How brilliantly? The reason Bill Clinton is sulking in his tent is because he feels that Obama surrogates succeeded in painting him as a racist. Clinton has many sins, but from his student days to his post-presidency, his commitment and sincerity in advancing the cause of African-Americans have been undeniable. If the man Toni Morrison called the first black president can be turned into a closet racist, then anyone can.
    And Obama has shown no hesitation in doing so to McCain. Just weeks ago, in Springfield, Mo., and elsewhere, he warned darkly that George Bush and John McCain were going to try to frighten you by saying that, among other scary things, Obama has “a funny name” and “doesn’t look like all those other presidents on those dollar bills.”
    McCain has never said that, nor anything like that. When asked at the time to produce one instance of McCain deploying race, the Obama campaign could not. Yet here was Obama firing a pre-emptive charge of racism against a man who had not indulged in it. An extraordinary rhetorical feat, and a dishonorable one.
    What makes this all the more dismaying is that it comes from Barack Obama, who has consistently presented himself as a healer, a man of a new generation above and beyond race, the man who would turn the page on the guilt-tripping grievance politics of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
    I once believed him.

    CORRECTION — Last week I wrote that in 1995 Bill Ayers gave Barack Obama a fundraiser in his home. I should instead have called it a campaign event.

  216. Acorn probably staged the break in themselves so they can hide their computers from any potential FBI investigation. Expect to see more so-called break ins with computers being stolen running up to election day.

  217. Glenn Beck on his radio show just announced he is moving to FoxNews from CNN

    wonder if it was his idea…

    or theirs

  218. wbboei said: But this attempt to discredit Joe the plumber is disgusting, he is a private citizen who asked a politician a legitimate question at a campaign stop, trying to find dirt on him angers me. And I hope this blows up in the dems faces. I have a feeling there are alot more Joe the plumbers out there then anyone realizes.

    Yes, this is crazy crazy. I heard it wasn’t even at a gruop gathering, Joe was in his own front yard and Obama walked u to him and started talking to him.

  219. ROTF!!!!!

    Hecklers wave plungers at a BO rally.

    I haveta confess i don’t know who rick ayers is, what mills college is or why the link to him and vera baker matters. i’m a bit slow today. 😳

  220. I really don’t get WHY BO is trashing Joe by saying, “And look who McCain is out there fighting for.
    A plumber.”

    WTF?????? Why is that something to be sneered at? Really? Is it sheer desperation?

    Anyone else notice how Bo is publicly nasty to everyone? From HRC, JM, Palin and now poor Joe?

    And no one is ever publicly nasty to him. I just don’t get it. For real. How in the world is this rude obnoxious punk running for office? At the Alfred Smith dinner he was mean-spirited, bitter, classless, tasteless and NOT funnY!

  221. wbboei

    Just now feeling strong enuf to catch up a bit more.

    Read your comment on Oct 14th thread abt whether or not Bambi is responsible for what the bots do…and may I quote your statement:

    “Responsibilty: I cannot say whether bambi intended these specific acts to occur. But he knew what he was doing when built a campaign and tutored his followers in the tactics of camp obama that sooner or later it would come to this. In that sense he is responsible–politically. ”

    May I remind you of your cadet days? I bet your first leadership class, and many after that talked about the concept of ‘command responsibility.’

    Of course Bobo is responsible for bombings, broken windows, burned signs and the primary-GE campaign thuggery – it goes with being CEO of one’s campaign, and it goes with the territory when one is CIC…which is why Bush will be held responsible for the rest of his days on earth, and beyond, for the torture of prisoners and the recording of his citizens’ most private conversations (including the most recent revelation that calls from our soldiers from overseas bases to their families have been recorded and catalogued.

    It is called Command Responsibility.

    ABM90 has referred to the concept many times, even if not labeled as such.

    ONLY SEVEN WEEKS TO THE ARMY-NAVY GAME ! In spite of your Academy time, I’m taking Navy. ABM90?

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