Obama, Ayers, Rezko, Ahmadinejad, Wright, Part II

Hillary Clinton will be in attendance at tonight’s debate between Barack Obama and John McCain. Hillary will be more than just an audience member.

“If there’s an opportunity to raise the Clinton name, it will be in this debate,” said Morris Reid, a Democratic communications strategist and former Commerce Department official under President Clinton. [snip]

A month ago, Mrs. Clinton’s blue-collar supporters were considered the key to Mr. McCain’s path to victory, and he was making active, public efforts to court them. That has receded, with the Republican mentioning her just once, in the first debate, praising her efforts to work on nuclear power. Mr. Obama has not mentioned her, nor did his running mate, Sen. Joseph R. Biden. Jr., or Mr. McCain’s running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

Mr. Reid said he is surprised Mr. McCain hasn’t tried to do more with Mrs. Clinton’s former supporters.

“McCain’s team has been off of their footing and been off of their game, because they should have played that up. If you look back at the convention they were on their game and playing that up,” he said.

That included ads Republicans ran during the Democrats’ convention using Mrs. Clinton’s own criticisms of Mr. Obama. The ads were released, symbolically, at 3 a.m. – a takeoff on Mrs. Clinton’s own famous primary-season attack ad about whom voters trusted to answer a crisis phone call to the White House. [snip]

Still, Mrs. Clinton remains such a powerful figure that after Mr. McCain last week proposed a mortgage buyout plan in the debate his office leapt to tie it to a proposal Mrs. Clinton had made earlier – even though Mrs. Clinton’s office rejected that notion, and Mr. McCain in the debate said he alone deserved credit. [snip]

Fox News this week asked Mrs. Clinton whether Mr. McCain should follow her lead in taking “the gloves off” in her debates with Mr. Obama, but she said it’s not clear what the Republican can do in this final showdown.

McCain needs to do more than just mention Hillary Clinton. McCain should remind voters that Obama attacked Hillary proposals during the primary which Obama now tries to disguise as his own. McCain also needs to remind American voters that Hillary Clinton has made the same assessments of Barack Obama that John McCain has made. McCain must remind voters, in Hillary’s words, that Obama is a flim-flam con man who does not want his words nor his actions examined.

In the last debate John McCain stated nailing down Sen. Obama’s various tax proposals is like nailing Jell-O to the wall. McCain should not have restricted his critique merely to Obama’s “tax proposals”.

Recall, at the height of the Obama gay-bashing and race-baiting campaign – South Carolina – Hillary Clinton spoke about Obama and his record and accountability:

CLINTON: Well, I couldn’t agree more. But I do think that your record and what you say does matter. And when it comes to…

(APPLAUSE)

… a lot of the issues that are important in this race, it is sometimes difficult to understand what Senator Obama has said, because as soon as he is confronted on it, he says that’s not what he meant. [snip]

Now, why is this important? It’s important because I think elections are about the future. But how do you determine what will happen in the future? Well, you have to look to the record, you have to look to what we say in campaigns, and what we have done during our careers.

And I want to be just very explicit about this. We are not, neither my campaign nor anyone associated with it, are in any way saying you did not oppose the war in Iraq.

You did. You gave a great speech in 2002 opposing the war in Iraq. That was not what the point of our criticism was.

It was after having given that speech, by the next year the speech was off your Web site. By the next year, you were telling reporters that you agreed with President Bush in his conduct of the war. And by the next year, when you were in the Senate, you were voting to fund the war time after time after time.

So it was more about the distinction between words and action. And I think that is a fair assessment for voters to make.

(APPLAUSE)

McCain should use Hillary’s very own words, in the presence of Hillary, and confront Obama, to his face. Obama will say Hillary is a supporter and accuse McCain of distortion but McCain should come right back and quote Hillary to Obama to his face.

McCain must hold Obama accountable for his words and record.

McCain should remind the American people that Obama did in fact take weeks to come up with a speech that essentially said Obama would attack Pakistan and that Obama did in fact agree to meet with rogue leaders such as Ahmadinejad without preconditions and in his first year in office.

John McCain must hold Obama accountable. John McCain tonight must state that lack of accountability on Wall Street has led to the current economic crisis and that likewise Obama’s entire history and record must be held to account regardless of the “racist” charges which immediately follow.

Let’s make this point clear: McCain must make accountability a central issue. McCain needs to once again repeat that he (and Governor Palin) has made enemies within the Republican Party by holding them accountable too and that Obama will not hold the corrupt elements in the Democratic Party accountable.

McCain has to tie the economy, Wall Street and Chicago cronyism to what bothers Americans about the economic crisis. Americans are disgusted that Wall Street had a wild party making billions for politically well connected individuals and now the American taxpayer must spend trillions to bail out Wall Street partygoers.

As we wrote:

But McCain has a case to make which merges the necessary questions about Obama’s character and the necessary answers to the economic crisis.

McCain must make the case that as a political maverick he has taken on his own party and his own party’s interests whereas Obama has never opposed his own corrupt friends.

McCain should acknowledge that his own party and its deregulation policies have contributed greatly to the economic crisis but McCain needs to point out that leading Democrats and Democratic policies must share the blame in the current economic crisis as well.

The difference, McCain must say, is that McCain will fight for the American people against his own party whereas Obama will continue policies that loot the American economy.

McCain has Antoin “Tony” Rezko as an example about what Obama would do in office.

Most importantly, McCain must make the case that when it comes to conflict between his corrupt wealthy benefactors and his constituents Obama will side with his corrupt wealthy benefactors. McCain tonight must make the case that Obama will side with Wall Street friends against bitter Main Street American.

Tonight Obama will try to bamboozle Americans and once again try to rewrite what he himself has said to a now famous plumber. McCain better not let him get away with it. McCain needs to use Obama’s very latest words to demonstrate how the Obama flim-flam works. Hillary Hater Charles Hurt of the New York Post on what Obama said:

The fracas over Obama’s tax plan broke out Sunday outside Toledo when Joe Wurzelbacher approached the candidate.

Wurzelbacher said he planned to become the owner of a small plumbing business that will take in more than the $250,000 amount at which Obama plans to begin raising tax rates.

Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?” the blue-collar worker asked.

After Obama responded that it would, Wurzelbacher continued: “I’ve worked hard . . . I work 10 to 12 hours a day and I’m buying this company and I’m going to continue working that way. I’m getting taxed more and more while fulfilling the American Dream.”

“It’s not that I want to punish your success,” Obama told him. “I want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success, too.

Then, Obama explained his trickle-up theory of economics.

“My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”

Critics said Obama let the cat out of the bag.

“It’s clear that his main goal is redistribution of wealth, not growth,” said Andy Roth with the anti-tax group Club for Growth. “He’s perfectly happy to destroy wealth as long as he can redistribute it.”

Obama has been meticulous, Roth said, to conceal the “socialistic” nature of his tax plans. “But every once in a while, he lets it slip,” he said.

Republican candidate John McCain yesterday charged that Obama’s comment was telling.

“This explains how Senator Obama can promise an income-tax cut for millions who aren’t even paying income taxes right now,” he said in Pennsylvania.

“My plan isn’t intended to force small businesses to cut jobs to pay higher taxes so we can ‘spread the wealth around.’ My plan is intended to create jobs and increase the wealth of all Americans.”

If McCain believes what Obama said to plumber Joe Wurzelbacher is wrong McCain must confront Obama on this issue. When Obama tries to wiggle out of what he said, what he meant, what he really wante to say (remember WORM – What Obama Really Meant) McCain must use the moment to show American voters the Obama flim-flam technique.

Hillary: Obama is a mystery candidate on many of his positions. “It’s hard to know exactly … where he stands, and people need to ask that and to give that information to the voters,” Clinton told reporters in Manchester.

For the past 2 years Obama has campaigned and spent close to half a billion dollars selling himself. For the past 2 years Americans have seen many pro-Obama advertisements but rarely if ever have Americans seen, let alone heard, from any Obama life-long friends.

That is not to say we have never seen Obama friends. We have seen Obama friends that Obama has tried to hide from our sight. The names of the only long time Obama friends Americans have heard from are Ayers, Rezko, and Wright.

Ayers, Rezko, and Wright are Obama’s friends of more than 20 years. Obama is doing with these friendships what he has done with his history, record, books, votes, words and actions – rewrite the truth.

Obama’s real words on meeting with rogue leaders like Ahmadinejad, attacking Pakistan, his mansion purchase, his rise sponsored by Chicago cronyism and his Chicago machine wife, his long-time bomber friend Ayers, his long-time benefactor and bag man Antoin “Tony” Rezko, or his pastor/mentor Jeremiah Wright – Obama is busy spending half a billion dollars to bamboozle and flim-flam the American voter.

Obama is now busy trying to rewrite his history with ACORN and attempting to say that no actual voting has taken place so Americans should not bother informing themselves with the latest long-time Obama friend/benefactor/employer.

McCain has to talk about the economy and differentiate himself from Barack Obama. Most importantly McCain has to make the case that he can be trusted to take on Wall Street and both political parties on behalf of the American people. McCain must also make the case that Obama cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be believed.

After eight years of Republican looting of the economy, McCain must make the case that Obama would also loot the economy on behalf of his friends.

McCain must say that on the economy, Ayers, Rezko, Ahmadinejad, Wright and ACORN, Obama cannot be trusted.

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549 thoughts on “Obama, Ayers, Rezko, Ahmadinejad, Wright, Part II

  1. moononpluto Says:
    October 15th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Murtha: Western Pa. ‘racist’ but Obama should win

    Fuck you Murtha, how dare you, this is beyond a joke now.

    ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j0q0L6_tj5OkoqKqBgOieU39awQAD93R4AS82

    PITTSBURGH (AP) — U.S. Rep. John Murtha says his home base of western Pennsylvania is racist and that could reduce Barack Obama’s victory margin in the state by 4 percentage points.

    The 17-term Democratic congressman tells the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in a story posted Wednesday on its Web site that, as he put it: “There is no question that western Pennsylvania is a racist area.”

    Actually on second thoughts, quotes like this could deliver PA to McCain, go right ahead Murtha, shoot your mouth off.

    I’m completely stunned that Murtha has just killed off his campaign and killed off PA for Obama in one go, this is hilarious.

  2. Keep talking, Murtha. Right before the PA primary the “clinging to their guns and religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them” is what Obama said when not realizing he was being taped at a SF fundraiser. We remember how well that worked out.

    Tell us more, Murtha!

  3. wbb…I fully agree with you about showing what these associations did lead to and what they will in the future.

    However, there is an “Ohhhh” moment (like the “aha” moments of yesteryear”) when you ask someone: Name 3 close associates of Obama who were not radicals. Name 2. Name 1? College pals?
    Community organizers?

    There’s a grandmother who won’t talk. 2 Pakistani college friends who won’t talk. Ayers who won’t talk. Law firm associates who won’t talk and won’t release any records. Mentor Alice Palmer who won’t talk but supported Hillary I think.

    Has anyone appeared to list an accomplishment? Nope. But he’s often referred to as “accomplished”.
    I always want to ask “at what?” Evidently if you get elected, you’re “accomplished”.

  4. I hate Murtha, the Murtha who tried and convicted those Haditha Marines on no evidence, ruined their lives, and now one is sueing Murtha. He needs to be voted out, hope PA wises up and boots his butt out.

  5. Freckles, Alice Palmer did support Hillary, I’m sure there is no love loss there for Obama, he had her disqualified from the ballot so he could run. I suspect she never forgave him.

  6. Is the debate tonight? Can someone here do a play by play?

    I don’t want to look or listen to O, I can’t stand him.

  7. Great article, Admin.

    Watching that clip of HRC in the SC debate again just about breaks my heart. We COULD have had a real fighter for is in Washington. 🙁

  8. ADMIN…

    I hope you have a line to mccain and someone in his camp reads your points and pounds them into his head…however as much as i hate to say this…I do not have confidence that mccain will take it to obama…first, as sharp as mccain is i do not know if he responds quick enough with enough info to make his points…often, to me, he washes over points he should be stressing that are in his favor… he is way too modest in the face of ultimate arrogance…in the face of a person who will go to any extent to steal someone’s policies and thunder and then claim if for himself…

    and not shut up in the meantime…obama will go on and on and then mccain will come back with a short little remark that will not be enough…he will not elaborate and develop his points…he NEEDS TO OUTLINE what he is communicating and keep repeating…and of course, obama will hog as much speaking time and camera time as he can…

    prepare to hear obama interrupt mccain, and to put up his pencil while mccain is talking to get the attention on himself and away from what mccain is saying…prepare to watch obama with his smug look and then drop insulting remarks to throw mccain off…he will be in usual rude self…

    i heard a discussion on fox earlier saying mccain does not have the stomach for this stuff…that he would have to get in the weeds, so to speak…and this is what i fear…mccain is taking a media beating, he does not want to end this with his reputation in taters as another one of those ‘racists’ like bill and hill…like the rest of us who dare to question obama…

    the whole debate would be worth it if mccain just pushed back hard with this racism BS right into Obama’s face…I wish mccain would call obama on labeling bill and hill, ed rendell, gerri ferraro, and anyone else who dares question obama – as a racist…and nail john lewis while he is at it…I admire john lewis but way over the top on that one…

    and then i would love to hear mccain repeat over and over again that if ever there was a time for divided government and checks and balances as our founding fathers created…now is the time…otherwise the country and the financial crisis will be completely in the hands of the most liberal wing of the democratic party…pelosi, dean, reid, obama, etc…

    I would like to hear mccain say…that now is the time for the best people of good will and common sense from both parties to come together to create solutions to our problems and for the common good of our country…now is not the time to put the whole governement into an inexperienced junior senator and the far left wing of tax and spend democrats…

    he should say, it is all about oversight and checks and balances, “my friends” and there won’t be any, nada, nothing, none…ziltch…

    …but i won’t hold my breath…i hope for a miracle…

  9. What a brilliant move by to be present at the debate tonight.She will be seen and be on the millions ov viewers world wide and Every word spoken bt The Hustler will be areminder that viewers heard it all before from Hillary.It will keep him off balance for the evening.The results will just be a reminder that—–

    ” TO THINK WE COULD HAVE HAD HILLARY ”

    Acorns and Obama are both NUTS

    By ABM90

  10. Thanks, Lin — that’s how I remembered it. Now can you come up with the list of mainstream influences or project partners?

    When O says he wants to bring us together, who’s included in the “us”, kemo sabe?

  11. I would like to hear McC say the line, “But, but Sen…when Hillary proposed that, you said it would be a disaster.”

  12. McCain should also do more of this:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14599.html

    On Sept. 24, Hillary Rodham Clinton received a surprise phone call from the man she’s often denounced as an economic know-nothing: John McCain.

    This was no social call, even though Clinton likes McCain enough to keeps his photo on the wall of her Senate office. The GOP nominee had already chatted with Bill Clinton about the mortgage crisis and wanted to pick the senator’s brain about her new proposal to have the federal government buy up bad mortgages and renegotiate terms more favorable to homeowners on verge of default.

    “McCain said he had been motivated by it, he was very complimentary about what she had proposed and wanted to know more,” said a person with knowledge of the call.

    Clinton responded coolly. “She didn’t engage him, she just said, ‘Thank you’ and heard him out.”

    Three weeks later, at the town hall debate in Nashville, Tenn., McCain rolled out a $300 billion anti-foreclosure plan that’s similar, if not identical, to Clinton’s — and subsequently credited the concept “to a suggestion that Sen. Hillary Clinton made not that long ago.” [snip]

    Clinton was arguably the first candidate in either party to grasp the transformative political effect of the economic crisis, and her onetime rivals have been borrowing — liberally — from her policy and rhetorical playbooks.

    “Everything in this election is being washed away by this stock market and economic stuff … and she was the one who came out first with specific policies to deal with this, so she’s clearly having an influence on both of them,” said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. [snip]

    Clinton aides, speaking on condition of anonymity, said she is still smarting over her loss, but is gratified Obama and McCain have carried parts of her agenda. And they say she’s downright tickled that McCain, a lifelong crusader against government spending, is getting in touch with his inner Hillary to woo her white, working-class base and female voters not sold on Obama.

  13. “The truth is, we’re 20 days away from Election Day and even such a fundamental fact about where Barack Obama was born remains in doubt, and his campaign has done nothing about it,” Corsi said. “This problem should not require a Harvard Law degree to solve. This matter should not require an FBI investigation to sort out. We’ve got a man running for president who is conducting one of the most monumental cover-ups about, of all things, his own identity.”

    That is Corsi at http://www.americasright.com/2008/10/update-update.html

    {Read it if you’re interested in that API story. API is standing by its story and is talking about producing verification in a day or two. But what Corsi says in that last sentence is the most galling and the culprits in this are the Dem party and the media. How can all this be? It is not that his opponents are swiftboating him asking for this info but ordinary people, Dems even are asking why not produce the birth certificate.}

  14. Acorns and Obama are both NUTS

    By ABM90

    ———————————————————————————-

    Truer words have never been spoken. I would just add “dangerous NUTS.”

  15. S,
    That’s what I think, too.

    “he does not want to end this with his reputation in taters as another one of those ‘racists’ like bill and hill.”

    ABM,

    Very interesting point that having HRC in the audience might throw him off his game.
    I hope to he11 you’re right.

  16. ‘Obama Surprise to Break Next Week’

    Per Dave Ramsey on Fox at 4pm, Obama “surprise” to blow-up next week. That is all so far.

    ?????

  17. Here’s an excerpt of Corsi’s reaction to the meesh call to API that pm linked upthread.
    Since hearing about the article released yesterday by African Press International, Corsi has been attempting to gain access to or even further information about materials which could verify the authenticity of the statements purported to come from Michelle Obama and subsequently denied by the Obama campaign.

    “Given the e-mails I’m getting from the chief editor, he’s defending himself and I’m challenging him to produce the recording he says that he has,” Corsi said. “I don’t see any motive for him to lie. Still, I’m not accepting it as authentic without further investigation.”

    Corsi went on to say that, “given the way he is defending it,” the report seems to be initially credible, and that “right now, my journalistic instincts say ‘okay, you’ve got my attention, and if you’re prepared to say it’s reliable, then prove it.'”

    “I’m seriously interested, of course, but I need verification,” Corsi said. “I’m not buying this as a sure thing without verification.”

  18. McCain talks economy with Hillary

    Seems McCain takes her seriously unlike some.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14599.html

    On Sept. 24, Hillary Rodham Clinton received a surprise phone call from the man she’s often denounced as an economic know-nothing: John McCain “McCain said he had been motivated by it, he was very complimentary about what she had proposed and wanted to know more,” said a person with knowledge of the call.

    Clinton responded coolly. “She didn’t engage him, she just said, ‘Thank you’ and heard him out.” The McCain campaign says the call to Clinton is just further proof that the GOP nominee is a president who can work across party lines.

    Three weeks later, at the town hall debate in Nashville, Tenn., McCain rolled out a $300 billion anti-foreclosure plan that’s similar, if not identical, to Clinton’s — and subsequently credited the concept “to a suggestion that Sen. Hillary Clinton made not that long ago.”

  19. I’d piss myself laughing tonight if McCain praised Hillary for all the wonderful clear concise suggestions she gave to the country about the economy.

    He should praise her and then say “Obama, you said her policies were crap and then stole them”

  20. He should praise her and then say “Obama, you said her policies were crap and then stole them”

    Big Mac. if you’re reading…I’ll send you $100 if you take the dare. 😉

  21. moon, exactly. I actually wrote that on RD couple of days ago. McCain should remind Obama that he had problems with the 90 day moratorium in the primary and now he accepts it without attribution. I think McCain will do that and it is an easy winning strategy.

  22. Admin, perfect elocution and points. I hope John McCain uses them.As for leaving his reputation in tatters it is not possible for he is a hero and no one can take that away, so why not boost his reputation by standing up for the little man who is helpless in this kind of scenario?

    S, please send your speech to the McCain headquarters asap. That is what I long to hear John McCain say.

    A bomb coming next week, but we have been promised that before.
    Should nObama buy more air time here in Central FL, they will have to cancel the shows. Some of them go far in d@mning McCain, like the one where he is quoted, “The fundamentals of our economy are strong.” Even my husband thought McCain a buffoon for saying that.
    We got a call today that caller id called O [a private number] that was a seemingly white female computer generated call that went on and on. Every sentence began with, “John McCain is [or has been] a failure……

  23. Okay, so why would this Ramsey know about a “surprise” that we don’t already know about here at Big Pink?

    He’s big in the christian community, right? Is he thinking Odinga and the burning of the churches? Like we don’t already know that.

    Grrrrr….I hate mysterious announcements.

  24. Idunn, we know all these things, but it is absolutely incredible that John and Jane Q Public do not know it. We are immersesed in it, but they are only seeing and hearing what Big Media wants them to.

  25. I dont write things, I only pass on the info, how you judge it is up to you, unlike our media, who dont pass on information and then make up your mind for you.

  26. Never mind that, I want hoof prints up and down Obama’s back and Hillary dancing a jig in the audience afterwards.

  27. we know all these things, but it is absolutely incredible that John and Jane Q Public do not know it.

    ::smacks head::

    Sometimes I think in terms of what “we” know, and forget that it’s not common knowledge. So you’re right…this “bomb” could just be something we already know, that Ramsey is just figuring out.

  28. ShortTermer Says:

    October 15th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
    Tonight we should all be calling in unison for:

    I WANNA BIG MAC ATTACK!!
    *****************************************************
    He’s not going to be a attack dog, McCain going to be presidential but I do expect him to land some hard hits.

    Palin job is to be the attack dog and she does it very well…that’s why Team Obama is going after her. Nobody cares about Biden, so McCain/Palin focus is on Obama where it should be.

    I just want McCain to show some passion on a few issues by landing a few hard hits.

  29. It is an amazing scenario to see and hear pundits .advisers and and so called campaign specialist telling both JM and Hustler what to say,what subjects to bringup and the best way to put their opponent on the stupid stool.They had no such advice for Hillary because she knew exactly how to handle them her way.( Beat them with her brains) and she cleaned every clock as they faced this awesome woman.A perfect candidate with Beauty,Grace ,super intelligence and a true patriot that we all wish is now about to assume The Presidency of our great Country now facing a dangerous and destructive road to humiliation and danger from within.I blame us all in allowing a possible foreign stranger to inflict this mortal blow to our precious Democracy.A Hustler of two-bit stature and pockets filled with Race Cards has bamboozled us for too long and he must be stopped with all the resources that we can muster and stopped NOW.

    By ABM90 Hillary ,Baby,Just sit there and smile tonight.Our minds ans eyes will be on YOU.

  30. We are getting bombarded with BO ads, here in blue CA. I wonder, if CA is part of the NV media market. I don’t think, it is as bad as FL, but I’m surprised to be seeing so many. I have to hit the mute button, whenever they come on. There are two different ones.

  31. Interesting!

    hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/court-documents-show-case-against-obamaacorn-proceeding-as-multi-state-rico-action/

  32. birdgal – EVERY OTHER commeRICAL in Tampa FL Market are BO. EVERYONE is sick to death of them.

    “OH SHUT UP!” is all EVeryone SAYS WHEN HIS LYING BS comes on anymore – even Obama supporters (people who still think he is a democrat – not bots)

    They are OVER OBAMA – just hope it last through Nov4 and the Elections folks can get the 30K FELONS off the registration rolls.

    _________

    Admin, I am with “S” above –

    I hope to God you have a line to the JM camp – Lady DeRothschild, Ricki, FDRJim or SOMEONE –

    this is such a nightmare, but I HOPE, as ABM said, that HRC being there will make Obama ahhhhh, ugggghhhh, well, now see, ahhhh even more.

    SHE KNOWS he is a lying sack of crap and I hope JM uses her words to nail his ass to the floor and Americans see it –

    especially the racist ones in Pennsylvania

  33. Why Liberals Despise Sarah Palin

    October 15, 2008

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    RUSH: Gloria Borger was on CNN’s Election Center last night, the host Campbell Brown. “Where do things stand, Gloria? Is Sarah Palin hurting rather than helping the McCain campaign?”

    BORGER: Well, she certainly isn’t bringing along Hillary Clinton supporters. Anybody who thought that she was going to bring along Hillary Clinton supporters was not looking at Sarah Palin’s record and Hillary Clinton’s record. She is bringing along white men who like her a lot and she’s rallying the base. But is she bringing along those independent voters? Absolutely not.

    RUSH: Now, the very moment Gloria Borger was saying this on CNN New York, across town, Sarah Palin was raising over a half million dollars from Hillary Clinton supporters at the Grand Hyatt hotel down at Grand Central Station. And don’t forget the internals of the Zogby poll today, Obama has lost ground in independents. So Gloria Borger is flapping her gums apparently not knowing what she’s talking about. This morning on the Today show on NBC, we have a montage here of some Savannah Guthrie, I guess that’s an NBC reporterette, Savannah Guthrie’s report on Sarah Palin. You’re going to hear voices of parents of Down syndrome children in this report.

    GUTHRIE: Nearly everywhere Sarah Palin goes these days she’s encountering people who aren’t necessarily there for the politics.

    MAN: I can’t put it in words. My daughter is nine, and to have somebody like this supporting us, it does move our entire family.

    GUTHRIE: Families of children with Down syndrome, children like Trig, have been flocking to Palin rallies. They come to shake her hand, grab a hug, or snap a picture, drawn there, they say, because her story is theirs, too.

    WOMAN: Sometimes you see politicians, and you don’t think they have struggles like the rest of us, but she does. She has a unique situation.

    GUTHRIE: Last week Palin stopped to talk to us about what’s become a phenomenon on the trail.

    PALIN: We have an automatic bond there where we can just look at each other in the eyes and say, “I know, and you know, we’re all in this together.”

    GUTHRIE: Do you feel a heightened sense of responsibility now that you’re in this position?

    PALIN: I sure do, and I won’t let these people down. Part of the reason that I’m doing this is for my own child who has special needs.

    GUTHRIE: Is it emotional for you, to see these faces?

    PALIN: Very emotional, very emotional, yeah.

    RUSH: This is one reason why the Drive-Bys and the Democrats despise Sarah Palin, and one of the reasons that they are deathly afraid of her. She is connecting with people on a human level, on an issue that liberals despise, the survival of Down syndrome children. The press and the Democrats feel powerless to destroy her. She is connecting with people on the issue of life, and that just sends the American left for Fruit Loops.

  34. {{{{{Idunn}}}}}}}

    I see your posts very late or very early –

    I am in survival mode these days and working very hard in political graphics

    HOW ARE YOU!

  35. birdgal Says:

    October 15th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
    We are getting bombarded with BO ads, here in blue CA. I wonder, if CA is part of the NV media market. I don’t think, it is as bad as FL, but I’m surprised to be seeing so many. I have to hit the mute button, whenever they come on. There are two different ones.
    ****************************************************
    We’re seeing these ads now because it’s a tight race here in CA. Obama is not as popular as the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY says he is here.

    California is not as liberal as the media protray us to be….many small businesses in CA and this is the home of less tax is good.

  36. I suddenly have a vision (yeah I’m psychic, so what?) of all of us Big Pinkers posting on election night…adn we’re all totally freaking out because McCain actually wins!

    And then I make some stupid comment about how Arizona is a dustbowl…but I digress.

  37. Monegan, Wooten getting off easy
    Article published on Wednesday, October 15th, 2008
    By JAKE JACOBSON
    Letter to the editor
    My hat is off to Gov. Sarah Palin and her husband, Todd. With Trooper Wooten’s known history (tasering his 12-year-old stepson, drinking and driving in a state trooper vehicle, obscene threats to the life of his ex-father-in- law, etc.), any reasonable person or organization (i.e. Alaska State Troopers) would have fired him immediately and charged him with the crimes he committed.

    Only the good ole boy union kept him from being held fully accountable, and worse yet, from a public safety standpoint, kept him on the job. This is a strong case against any profession, organization or individuals being allowed to police their own. For shame!

    Mr. Monegan was offered a different job, which he refused, at which time he was fired. Now he whines. Again, for shame!

    Opportunistic, sensationalist liberals and pro-Obamaites have morphed the issue into one they hope will appear significant in their attempt to besmirch Sarah Palin, and thereby influence the national election. This is totally disgusting!

    http://www.kodiakdailymirror.com/?pid=19&id=6854

  38. Martinsville Speedway Names Todd Palin Honorary Race Official For TUMS QuikPak 500

    MARTINSVILLE, VA (October 15, 2008) – Martinsville Speedway today named Todd Palin, husband of Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin, an honorary race official for the TUMS QuikPak 500 NASCAR Sprint Cup Sunday afternoon.

    As an honorary race official, Palin will be introduced in the drivers meeting early in the day, visit with drivers and other race officials in the pits and appear in prerace activities.

    While new to stock car racing, Palin is a world champion snow machine racer who is a lifelong Alaskan. He is a commercial fisherman, a production operator on Alaska’s North Slope, and a member of the United Steelworkers Union.

    He and Governor Palin, who have five children, recently celebrated their 20th wedding anniversary.

    The TUMS QuikPak 500 is set to take the green flag at 1:30 p.m. on Sunday at Martinsville Speedway.

    insidetracknews.blogspot.com/2008/10/martinsville-speedway-names-todd-palin.html

  39. This media blitz is interesting. If you were confident you were winning, why do it. In addition, over exposure has not worked for him in the past.

  40. Palin stops by, impresses

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    By Jeanne ArnoldRepublican vice-presidential hopeful Sarah Palin campaigned in Scranton, Tuesday with her husband Todd. Pleasant Mount resident Jeanne Arnold had a close-up seat and shared her pictures with The Wayne Independent. By Peter Becker
    Wayne Independent
    Wed Oct 15, 2008, 05:31 PM EDT

    SCRANTON –

    Governor Sarah Palin wowed the crowd Tuesday afternoon in her campaign rally at Riverfront Sports in Scranton. Among them were Wayne County people, and those contacted said they came away impressed.

    Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, follows her rival Senator Joe Biden who was in Scranton last weekend with Bill and Hillary Clinton.
    “She was very good,” commented Pastor Bruce Burke of Lake Ariel. “But she could have been a little stronger.” He said he referred to allegations that had been made about the Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s affiliation with ACORN, a controversial low-income advocacy group.

    “She’s a country girl, an average USA girl,” said Pastor Burke. “She’s not a politician.” He said that is what is needed in Washington.
    His wife, Doris Burke, remarked, “It was absolutely exciting… she is a real asset to McCain.”

    Said Jeanne Arnold of Pleasant Mount, “I came to learn more about Sarah Palin. She’s a powerful woman and impressive. I learned some new things about her today – she eliminated property tax, license fees and inventory tax when she was Mayor of Wasilla. When she became governor, she cut earmark programs. Whether you agree with her political position or not is irrelevant. I respect her accomplishments and her willingness to go against the status-quo.”

    “I’m afraid of a guy with no experience – I know McCain, I don’t know this guy,” said Jim Fiorillo, resident of Hemlock Farms (in Pike County) and political historian, referring to Obama. “Sarah is one of us.”

    http://www.wayneindependent.com/news/x1157483414/Palin-stops-by-impresses

  41. Idunn Says:

    October 15th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
    Any idea who does the song, Bridgal? I’d LOVE to bombard those assholes with a ration of shit.

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    If I could stand to watch it, to the end, I would start with the credits. Maybe, googling the company would land a website?

  42. Elon Abuzz Over Palin Visit

    Last Edited: Wednesday, 15 Oct 2008, 5:17 PM EDT
    Created: Wednesday, 15 Oct 2008, 5:11 PM EDT

    Elon campus energized over Election Day 2008 SideBar

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    ELON, N.C. (WGHP) — The buzz on the Elon University campus over Gov. Sarah Palin’s upcoming visit reminds some of the political energy exhibited by students during the 1960s.

    “We were a little more obnoxious than this, but it’s probably better like this,” said Dr. George Taylor, a professor of political science and the director of the school’s Institute of Politics and Public Affairs.

    Palin, the polarizing Republican vice presidential candidate, is scheduled to speak at a rally at the school’s baseball stadium Thursday afternoon.

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    MyFox will stream the debate live online and provide live-blog coverage
    “I think a lot of students are talking about her policy and whether she’s ready to be vice president of the United States,” said sophomore Daniel Harwell.

    “All my classes and professors are talking about how it’s become Obama versus Palin and not Obama versus McCain,” said junior Amanda Keller.

    Taylor said the focus on college campuses is a relatively new phenomenon for politicans.

    “Up until 2004, students and politicians weren’t talking to each other and now, all of a sudden, the students are realizing, the politicians are realizing this is a big vote,” he said.

    Harwell, who has led the way in registration drives and processing absentee ballots, said students are eager to hear what Palin has to say about the economy, and particularly the funding of college.

    “Overall it’s just change,” said 18-year-old Thonda Taylor II. “Everybody’s trying to see what’s going to happen differently from the Bush administration, whether McCain takes office or Obama. That’s the big thing.”

    http://www.myfoxwghp.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7652582&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1
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    Wouldn’t it be interesting if Sarah Palin split the youth vote with Obama?

  43. ABM90

    Have to go pick up my second Rx, so will be quick.

    Check your spam filter and see if my emails back to you are in there…just tell your email I am not spam.

    Emjay

  44. Reality Politics: Former Clinton Supporters Go Red
    Palin attracts the angry losers from the Democratic primaries in the ultimate cop-out
    Joshua Burton

    Daily Titan Staff Writer
    Wednesday, October 15, 2008
    Updated: Wednesday, October 15, 2008

    Daily Titan

    I like getting my friends drunk and setting the leftists and right-wingers against each other. Emotion and staunch partisanship go a long way towards my daily amusement.

    Imagine my glee when I heard about Gov. Sarah Palin and Sen. John McCain having a fundraiser on Tuesday with about a thousand former Sen. Hillary Clinton supporters in attendance.

    “Well that must have been an interesting fight,” I thought.
    I was wrong. The former Clintonites were there as newly-minted McCain supporters.

    That’s right, one thousand people were willing to switch camps because they are bitter about Clinton being slighted in both the presidential nomination and the vice-presidential selection.

    Now they side with a party diametrically opposed to much of what Clinton supported. Despite their rhetoric, I do not think their reasoning supports such a drastic change.

    When Sen. Barack Obama first won the Democratic nomination, the angry blogs, YouTube videos and Web sites popped up like rabid Whack-a-Mole targets. Much like that arcade game, these people were easily defeated but have proven impossible to keep down.

    The disturbing part about this movement is the anger that keeps them going. I was hoping they would cool down as fall approached, but obviously I was wrong as McCain wracked in about $500,000 in the fund-raiser.

    They were certainly angry long enough to convince lifelong psychologist, democrat and feminist, Lynette Long. You wouldn’t know by reading much of the previous work she has done that she would be a McCain supporter – her stance on women, the environment, and President George W. Bush would make you think otherwise.

    Yet on Sept. 6 she released an article on her blog in support of the McCain-Palin ticket. This came after months of unfaltering support of Clinton. As many bad things as she had to say about Obama, she had good things to say of Clinton.

    Her opinions aren’t unreasonable. There are many good reasons people have for supporting Clinton, abortion being among them. Obama’s views on the matter have been tacit at best.

    My major confusion comes from the sudden about-face these intelligent and opinionated people have made to fall in line with their former moral enemies. The only reason I see is due to anger.

    “I can’t vote for my party and it’s candidates which have demonstrated a blatant disrespect for women and a fundamental lack of integrity or I can vote for the Republican Party ticket which has heard our concerns,” Long wrote in her blog.

    How has the Republican Party heard their concerns?

    If their concerns were heard and even remotely accepted, Long, and a plethora of other feminists, would have been wearing red and riding elephants long before now.

    It seems just as republicans want to use Palin to wrangle directionless voters, the sore Clintonites want to use her as a poster-woman for the feminist cause. If Palin were truly an equal, she wouldn’t have gotten there solely based on her gender, which I believe is so.

    So why reward an enemy who they have fought so hard against in the past?

    “The Democratic Party cannot be rewarded for its pervasive disrespect of women. Sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. Sometimes you have to tear down a house before you can rebuild it,” Long wrote in her blog.

    This, I have a problem with. Long is obviously of reasonably sound mind, but what doesn’t seem very sound is the argument that moving to the opposite party will teach the democrats a lesson.

    The fight between Obama and Clinton was bad. It was too messy to have them represent each other within a unified campaign. Even Obama and Sen. Joe Biden have come under fire for being so contentious in the primaries. Biden has been asked by reporters to explain his support of Obama when mere months ago he was decrying how inexperienced the man was.

    His responses have always been humorous and evasive.

    The conditions within an Obama-Clinton ticket would have been even worse. Clinton’s speech at the Democratic National Convention should have solidified the ranks, but obviously some people wanted to be divisive, as if all that she stood for ended with her loss.

    There is no excuse for giving up a fight just because a general falls. The Clinton movement needed to pick up the flag and march stalwartly on. United, the Democratic Party can stand, but divided it could fall – taking their “change” with it.

    http://www.dailytitan.com/1.823808

  45. California is made up of many small towns and ‘burgs”
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    Sarah Palins popularity stems from happiness with life
    by Ed Riffle
    Article Launched: 10/15/2008 02:22:16 PM PDT

    The popularity of Sarah Palin as the Republican vice presidential nominee continues to baffle the political experts. She is popular among women… and men. She’s popular among Republicans… and Democrats… and independents. She’s popular among the voters in her home state but even more popular with the people who know her best in her hometown of Wasilla, Alaska. Why?

    The one word answer is… “happiness.” Sarah Palin exudes happiness. She loves her life and unlike most politicians we know, her happiness is not dependent on success in politics. It’s pretty obvious that she loved her life before she got into politics and it’s obvious that she will love her life after she eventually leaves politics.

    Sarah Palin’s happiness is not dependent on what happens around her. Life in Alaska is not easy. For at least five months of the year, the simple act of preparing to leave a heated home is a formidable task. Work and school days begin in total darkness and end in total darkness. A stalled vehicle or flat tire is not just an unpleasant interruption in your day; it is a potentially life-threatening event. Yet, Sarah Palin loves her life.

    For Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the year 2008 started with the birth of a Down’s syndrome son, her teenage daughter’s out-of-wedlock pregnancy and continued on Sept. 11 with her son’s deployment as an infantryman to Iraq… a particularly difficult year for the Palin family. Yet, Sarah Palin loves her life.

    From the minute she was announced as John McCain’s running mate, her political opponents and the media attacked her and her family with a visceral hatred and fury I’ve never seen before.

    As a loving wife and protective mother, the attacks on her husband and children must have been particularly painful. Yet, Sarah Palin loves her life. Most politicians we know seem to be bitter and angry. They are quick to blame their opponents for anything that goes wrong and reluctant to take responsibility for their own mistakes.

    They want government to solve all of life’s problems and are unhappy when that doesn’t happen. Most politicians don’t seem to love life. On the other hand, Sarah Palin is jubilant and upbeat.

    Sarah Palin’s popularity is no mystery. She’s a happy woman who genuinely loves her husband and family. She endures hardship and life’s challenges with dignity and grace. She appreciates the life that she has and envies no one. She has a keen sense of duty and honor. She loves God. She loves life. In other words, she is a real woman… the kind of women both men and women tend to admire the kind of woman people of any political persuasion respect.

    So, while the experts and the media continue to be baffled by Sarah Palin’s popularity, most of us know why it continues. As a human being, she is everything we all aspire to be. As a politician, she has succeeded and thrived in a harsh political environment. As a wife and mom, she has dealt with life’s challenges very well. As a woman, she radiates femininity even though we know she is fully capable of shooting and field dressing a moose. Sarah Palin loves life… and she is inspiring the rest of us to do so as well.

    * * *

    Ed Riffle owns and operates a small business and is editor and co-publisher of OurLittleCornfield.com.

    http://www.themilpitaspost.com/columnists/ci_10728003

  46. Letters: Obama is tax and spend socialist
    Park Rapids Enterprise
    Published Wednesday, October 15, 2008

    A recent letter talks about Republican Party Cancer and not running on the issues and attacking the candidate. Well that is exactly what has happened to Sarah Palin in the national media and the Democrat position as well. Don’t cast stones from your glass house if you don’t expect them returned.

    In response, here are a few facts on Obama. I will not get into whether he is eligible to be president, the fact that the fat cats that ran Fanny and Sallie Mae are now on his campaign, the fact that he would rather have a tea party with Chavez or Ahmadinejad or his known terrorist and anti-American friends.

    Here are Obama’s plans:

    Healthcare: Universal Nationalized Healthcare. Another Huge Bureaucracy.

    Education: Even more Nationalized from Pre-K to College.

    Energy: Government subsidies for alternatives more taxes on all sources. More regulations.

    Taxes: He will raise taxes on everyone making more than $42,000 by letting the Bush cuts expire. Then he will raise them on those who make more than $200,000, or $125,000, or $96,000, or $78,000 as the number will keep falling until he has raised enough to afford all this new spending proposed. He will raise payroll tax, double Capital gains tax.

    Spending: He will introduce $850 billion – $1 trillion dollars in new spending, and his cuts will be defense, intelligence, and national security. Makes you feel secure doesn’t it?

    Jobs: Will have a government sponsored jobs program. Just what we need more people on the government payroll costing us more and more taxes to support them.

    To sum up, Obama is a tax and spend, big government socialist. He will not blink in taking money from you, your family, and your business to give it to someone else. No thanks!

    David Anderson

    Lonsdale

    http://www.parkrapidsenterprise.com/articles/index.cfm?id=13440&section=opinion

  47. Emjay: I received all of your messages and appreciate your concern.I am a novice at this modern way to communicate.Goin back to smoke signals and Morse code is quite a trip.Bear with me for I might just have some reserve learning capacity.

    Thanks friend ABM90

  48. Hey Idunn, sorry – had to go feed dogs and make dinner

    done with all that now

    Nope, work isn’t good lately (for months now) but I am picking up things here and there. I DO have a great new gig staring working with at-risk kids in a blue collar-to-poor area teaching art. It is with a non-profit and starts at just one day a week for now, but has the potential to expand rapidly.

    PRAY. It MIGHT mean health insurance in time.

    I start next week.

  49. michael savage, talk radio gas-bag, referred to BO’s economic plan as “trickle-up poverty”. thought it was a good line for tonight’s debate.

  50. It is amazing, I called myself a Dem for year, yet I am not for underwriting career welfare.

    I am all for totally funding their medical, any education they might need, child care while in school and at lower levels when they are getting started. I would even fund transportation, while in school, and contraceptives.

    I am not for supporting people who are on continual welfare, who will not marry as it will hurt their free salary status, who even bring children into the world to increase their incomes. Who sit there month after month, year after year, and live off the public without one action to better themselves, or educate themselves for obtaining a job.

    I guess that is the Rep part of me.

  51. at least someone’s taking notice that McCain and the fraud are ripping off Clinton’s ideas:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14599.html

    McCain Talks Economy with Hillary (excerpt)

    On Sept. 24, Hillary Rodham Clinton received a surprise phone call from the man she’s often denounced as an economic know-nothing: John McCain.

    This was no social call, even though Clinton likes McCain enough to keeps his photo on the wall of her Senate office. The GOP nominee had already chatted with Bill Clinton about the mortgage crisis and wanted to pick the senator’s brain about her new proposal to have the federal government buy up bad mortgages and renegotiate terms more favorable to homeowners on verge of default.

    “McCain said he had been motivated by it, he was very complimentary about what she had proposed and wanted to know more,” said a person with knowledge of the call.

    Clinton responded coolly. “She didn’t engage him, she just said, ‘Thank you’ and heard him out.”

    Three weeks later, at the town hall debate in Nashville, Tenn., McCain rolled out a $300 billion anti-foreclosure plan that’s similar, if not identical, to Clinton’s — and subsequently credited the concept “to a suggestion that Sen. Hillary Clinton made not that long ago.”

    Clinton dropped out of the race four months ago, but her presence looms large at tonight’s final McCain-Obama debate being held, appropriately enough, in her adopted state of New York.

    Clinton was arguably the first candidate in either party to grasp the transformative political effect of the economic crisis, and her onetime rivals have been borrowing — liberally — from her policy and rhetorical playbooks.

    “Everything in this election is being washed away by this stock market and economic stuff … and she was the one who came out first with specific policies to deal with this, so she’s clearly having an influence on both of them,” said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

  52. I cannot stand Michael Savage after his savage (haha pun intended) of children with autism. As a mom of children with autism he didn’t have the slightest clue what he was talking about and I was really offended by it. But sounds like he is right about this one, trickle-up poverty is a good term for it.

  53. So, has the Messiah commanded that Hillary be there, and therefore it will be so? Or is she to be there overtly for McCain, and for us?

    I hope she smiles really big and beams shoot from those incredible eyes like days of old whenever McCain scores something, and just sits there when nObama might make a point.

    Hillary we love you, and just look at what some ‘Clintonites’ did for McCain at the fundraiser.

  54. May John McCain triumph tonight!

    May Barack Obama go down in infamy!

    May at least one debate anchor embrace the concept of fair play!

    Amen!

  55. this is great having hillary in the audience. the camera won’t be able to stay away. i hope she distracts the snot outa’ bambi! 🙂

  56. well, we may be disappointed if Clinton has to cheer for BO, but I think she’s doing as much as she can for political appearances and her future career…that’s Ok, we get it. because when BO loses, no one can point to her and say, she didn’t do enough. notice Bill Clinton at a rally said that she’s made 50 appearances for BO, and that’s more than any runner up for any political candidate.

  57. My gosh I am so glad Hillary is gonna be there ..yEP they will focus on her…I hope he stumbles and fumbles and uhhs ….She dont believe a word he saids that fool obama..he is loosing people cannot afford to vote for a LIAR!!!
    And people are seeing it and his thugs he hangs out with..
    Can ya believe it he cannot close the deal ever…\and The MEdia Stations should be SUED by ALL Americans for shoving this MAn down OUR throats..who we dont know nothing about..they should be ashmed for LYING about him and for Not telling the American Public People …the TRUTH about OUR Elected officials for OUR Country.
    GO MCCAIN ?Palin

    GO MCCain/Palin

  58. Count, I find your post both irritating and encouraging. This should have been Hillary’s to put in place for the American people not the two lesser candidates. I am encouraged that she cares enough about us the (american people) she would share her ideas with her former rivals. She’s the ONE and always has been. God Bless her for not being a selfish brat like Obama!!!

  59. Confloyd – I know, I am sad too about the whole situation. I think some of us cheered on McCain because we thought maybe he would have the same abilities as Clinton to cut the fraud down to size, but he has not done a good job, and it reminds us, no one is Hillary.

  60. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93R8IE00&show_article=1

    CINCINNATI (AP) – Close to one in every three newly registered Ohio voters will end up on court-ordered lists being sent to county election boards because they have some discrepancy in their records, an elections spokesman said Wednesday.
    Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner estimated that an initial review found that about 200,000 newly registered voters reported information that did not match motor-vehicle or Social Security records, Brunner spokesman Kevin Kidder said. Some discrepancies could be as simple as a misspelling, while others could be more significant.

    The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati sided with the Ohio Republican Party on Tuesday and ordered Brunner to set up a system that provides those names to county elections boards. The GOP contends the information will help prevent fraud.

    “Things already are in motion to comply,” Kidder said. “We’re working to establish these processes on how we can make this work. The computer work actually began last week.”

    About 666,000 Ohioans have registered to vote since January.

  61. OK folks, it’s almost popcorn time.

    Idunn, make sure the holy water spray bottle is full. Sprinkles are not going to suffice.

    Norma D- good news…I’m glad for ya. Did you get your own place or are you still with a friend of a friend?

  62. Admin,

    Great article! McCain needs to say all the things you’ve mentioned here, but the big question is: will he?

    Alot of people are going to be so upset, they may not even go to vote if he doesn’t really get into it tonight with Bambi.

    I hope someone has gotten your message to McCain and that he heeds everything you’ve stated.

    I’m almost afraid to watch the debate, but at the same time, I know I have to. I just hope we all won’t be disappointed.

    I hope to God that every Pennsylvanian heard that racist comment by Murtha and will vote accordingly. I’ll be very sad if my state doesn’t go for McCain.

  63. Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner estimated that an initial review found that about 200,000 newly registered voters reported information that did not match motor-vehicle or Social Security records
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    What would have happen if she was not stopped

    She is so gone if she runs again

  64. I have this insane thought that Hillary will get up on stage at some point and say that she just can’t go on supporting Obama any longer and throws her support to McCain.

    One can dream, can’t they? lol

  65. Obama did his usual flim-flam response and now McCain is coming back with the “spread the wealth around” remark.

  66. there he goes with cutting mccain off…hogging the speaking time…and trying to control the whole damn thing

    mccain MUST get more aggressive otherwise he is going to be shut out

  67. Spread the wealth around by joe the plumber. LOL

    JM said that at least a half a dozen times.

    it’s all about taxes.

    JM says let’s not raise the taxes for ANYONE.

    Go JM.

  68. As president he will make sure the program is structured properly. BS!!!!

    We’ve been living beyond our means. (Yeah – like your Chicago mansion, private plane, piano lessons for the girls)

  69. obama not too good on specifics, is he? deflects well, but does not answer when he is pinned down…

    mccain did well on that first question…i give point to him on that one…good recovery

  70. Programs that we don’t need we should cut. programs that we need we should make them work better!

    WTF – he sounds like a 5th grader.

  71. tough on both of them??? Its about freakin time. Can’t watch. Sounds like McCain is really strong though. So far really good???

  72. Obama just gave a long winded answer to cutting spending. McCain just mentioned Hillary’s HOLC program originally by FDR. McCain also says he would start cutting with a hatchet and end with a scapel.

  73. He’s right Ethanol is a fucking awful idea, it uses up crops and goes nowhere, other energy things are better ways forward.

  74. oh jeeeeezzzzz . . . .

    he’s rambling again . . . trying to eat up time.

    Jm now wants to get back to home ownership!

    All right.

    Conparing the great depression home ownership program and attrinuting it to HRC. but that F***ing schieffer is trying to cut him off . . now jm on off shore drilling whch BO has opposed
    across the board freeze – some people say that’s a hatchet – well, after that i’ll use a scapel.

    At least he SOUNDS passionate. Schieffer questioning JM doesn’t say anything to BO JM giving specifics about the deficit.

    JM talking about the swweetheart aviation bill he stopped – Bo wants earmarks – will cut lut pork.
    BO stuttering . . .

  75. McCain is being specific on what he would cut, specifically ethanol. McCain is also challenging Obama on his earmarks.

  76. RAMBLING agsin –

    he brings up Bush’s budget.

    Schieffer

    Senator I’m not president Bush.

    If you wanted to run against Bush you should have done it 4 yrars ago.

    ROTF!!!!!!

    Of course you can impose a spending freeze.

  77. Oh, snap! “I am not president Bush – if you wanted to run agaisnt Bush, you should have run 4 years ago.”

  78. Great, finally McCain says let’s look at our records and tell me when you have opposed your party on an issue.

  79. good ethanol also turned out to be a huge pollutant, all of the insecticide washing downstread due to huge increases in crop numbers. There’s a better way.

  80. if you see this split screen on c-span you want to smack obama…smug, keeps putting up his pencil to cut mccain off talking…and that ‘look’ while mccain is speaking as if to say mccain is crazy

    ugh!

  81. WOAH on the I’m not Bush line, that is great!!!!! Sounds like he’s mopping the floor with Bambi already. WooHoo!!!

  82. Let’s look at our records – citizens agains government waste
    i have fought for reform
    You haven’t stood up to your party on one single issue.

    Now BO trying to name thngs he voted against his party.
    Now h says I have a history of reachng across the aisles.

    Even fox news disputes JM
    ‘s 42,000

    If i have mistaken your policies for Bush’s policies it’s coz you have been a vigorous supporter of Bush.

    So that’s the game.
    8 more years of the same.
    Schieffer trying to cut JM off but JM keeps going

    it’s well-known i’ve gone aginst my party and i have the scars to prove it.

    At least he’s fighting and he’s got a long record.

    Your argument for standin up to the leaders of your party isn’t very convincing.

  83. Now we’re on nasty campaign tactics.

    Are you willing to say to each other’s face what your surrogates have said.

    here goes JM.
    i regret some of the aspects of both campaigns.
    One happened the other day when Joh Lewis said I and SP were linked with Heorge Wallace. that was hurtful. Bo didn’t repoudiate those remarks. I hope he will do that now. Every time repubs hve said out of bounds stuff i have responded.

    BO has spent more money on negative ads.
    Bo didn’t keep your word on public finance.
    he mentions HRC – he didn’t tell the American people the truth,.

    The highest spending in any campaign since watergate.

    When is he gonna bring up AYERS!!!!!!!

  84. McCain calling Bambi out for lying over public financing. Barky now LYING saying 100% of JM’s ads are negative.

  85. moonpluto ,

    where’s the dial?

    That F***ING BO saying i don’t mind being attacked for the next 3 weeks as if after that he’s gonna be the prez.

    i hate that creep.

    😈

  86. If you’ll turn on the tv you’ll see every other ad has attacked my health care plan and everyone who’s pbjective knows it’s no true.

    You are misrepresenting my stance on immigration.

    BO is spending unprecedented amonts of money on negative ads.

    back to Joe the plumber.

    Joes gonna be a celebrity.

    i didn’t hear a repudiation of Lewis’s remarks.

    BO says he was unprompted. Now talking about the running mate – ALL PUBLIC REPORTS said people were shouting terrorist and kill him and SP didn’t say a word.

    THIS IS THE TOME FOR AYERS!!!! Bring it out!!!!!

  87. What a weasel. Obama hits, then whines “we are all sick of this negative back and forth” when anyone hits back.

  88. schieffer

    Is it true he hangs around with terrorists.

    JM defemding his rallies – dedicated, patriotic – there are always

    A lot of things have been yelled at your rallies and some tee shirts
    I have repudiated anyone out of line

    Why doesn’t he go afte ayers!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  89. Lot’s of tension on this negative attack business. Obama still has not chastised Congressman Lewis for his attacks on McCain.

  90. obama is an ass…plain and simple…he weasles around the questions and tries to act like he is above it…he is the cause of this BS…he condones it…

    he blabs on and on

  91. D@MN!!!!!

    Mr. Ayers, i don’t care about any washed up terrorist but as HRC said we have to know the history of that relationship we have to know about aACORN the biggest fruad in history that your campaign gave 800G to.

  92. HillaryforTexas Says:

    October 15th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
    What the fuck is that fraud laughing at?? God, I hate his smirking ass.

    **********************************

    ditto…

    btw…i wish mccain would say…acorn…how the hell do you think “this one’ stole the primary from hillary clinton…the caucuses, etc acorn and his thugs

  93. BO sounds hysterical – voice rising – mr ayers will not advise me in my campaign.

    NOW about ACORN …

    nothing to do with us – only involvement is i represented them in the Illinois motor voter law.

    Well, BO sounds better now. Mentioning Dick Lugar, Warren Buffet….he has a god rsponse i gotta admit.

    The fact it’s such

    JM- you and Ayers sent money to acorn. you started your political campaign in ayers office. BO associates with a guy who in 2001 wanted to bomb more. People need to know about BO’s associations and i’m not gonna raise taxes.

    GO JOHN!!!!!!!!

  94. Obama was rattled when McCain was mentioning Ayres but his campaign apparently told him to smile. But underneath that smile he was not happy.

  95. john…now – divided government…stress…if obama wins total control of the governement by left wing of dem party…hit him

  96. I can’t see the debate – only listening – i eeked once and john looked pretty relaxed.

    Bo is RAMBLING . . . . . . Zzzzzzzzzzzz

    JM now on SP.
    A role model to women, she’s a reformer , she took on a governor of her own party, she saw corruption she resigned, she’s given money back to tax payers, she’s cut the government —at least he’s got SPECIFICS!!!!!

    We need a breath of fresh air and get rid of the good old boys,
    She also knows about special needs.
    She understands that. i’m proud of her. She has ignited people all over the country. Damn, he sounds authentic.

    Schieffer – do you think she’s qualified (to BO)

    No no . . . uh-uh=uh

  97. JM says Biden has been wrong on major foreign policy.
    Biden is qualified in many ways but he’s been wrong a lot, like the first gulf war, dividing iraq into 3 countriesnn

    Nptice BO’s answer is always we have to spend more. Maybe that’s why he’s proposed 860 billion of new spending and wants to raise taxes ….
    WTF – where was this JM the past 2 debates????

    ROTF!!!! Schieffer mis- speaks and JM corrects him.OR

    ow on energy – JM says BO told Canada he would unilaterally renogotiate and JM says you don’t tell anyone that …

  98. why does schieffer always go to cut mccain and then he lets obama ramble on forever

    it sounds patronizing and then you get that ‘knowing’ look from obama to schieffer

    i cannot stand him…

  99. Hillary ..i wonder what she thinks to..and that bob schiffer cut s him off ..this thug stutter and stuttering more and more…he doesnt know what he is talking about

  100. Why so late??????

    Where was this JM the past month???

    BO talking about solar, diesel,…down-playing oil – idiot – fuel hybrid cars

    ohhhhhh …. he’s rambling – we invented the auto industry and

    NOW we’ve fallen to0 far behind. insulting Anericans again. He doesn’t know WTF he’s talking about.

  101. I admire BO’s eloquence and words really do matter but listen to what he says: he says we have to

    LOOK at offshore drilling.
    We don’t have to look – we have to DRILL NOW.

    BO opposes the columbia free tade agreement and he’s never traveled south of our border. LMAO!Free Trade with Columbia is a no-brainer.
    Maybe you shoudl travel down there so you can understand it better.

    WHEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

  102. just turned to cnn…actually dipping with O…maybe people are coming to their senses…send junior back to the senate

  103. What the fuck is Obama waffling about, labour leaders getting assasinated in Columbia, has to do with what?

  104. McCain is getting to Obama. Obama does not like his intelligence or know how questioned. When McCain challenged him to go to South America so as to know what he is talking about, Obama was irked.

  105. Detroit has dragged it’s feet in fixing the auto industry…

    Blaming Americans again.

    He’s stuttering – WTF is he talking about – wind turbines ….blahblahblah..

    JM doesn’t want free trade agreement with our best ally in the region but wants to sit acrss the table with Chavez with no preconditions.

    BO wants to restrict trade and increase taxes.
    The last prez to do that was herbert Hoover and we went into a deep depression. Outta the park JM!

  106. Obama and his pie in the sky shit, he has nicked hillarys plan in full now.

    Go on mccain say he shit on this plan when it was hillarys and now he stole it.

  107. JM-
    we need to put helath records online
    give every family a 5G refundable health credit

    my old buddy joe the plumber – rotf- if you don’t use the health care plan bo wants he will fine you.
    I want to know what the fine is.
    If you like BO’s plan you must love Canada and England.

    Hahahahahah – BO did a funny – hey, i’d like to talk to joe, too, if you;re out there. OMG.

  108. once again…he cut mccain off and hogged the speaking time…why doesn’t schieffer stop him from taking cutting off mccain and then speaking for mccain

  109. BO still talking to Joe …..

    well i just peeked at the tube and JM’s eyes are twinkiling – he looks like he’s having fun

  110. basil9
    I look at Obama when he talks to people listening to a hit song, they are like the melody and never really take a good hard look at the lyrics.

  111. Yes. Obama denied fines, but McCain was talking about the mandatory kid coverage, NOT the small business thing.

  112. i hope the plummer come on tv and says who he will vote for ..lol
    yep he is raising his finger.neetabug…..the lying thug..yep john gonna kick his ass… moonpluto..lol…

  113. Hahahahahah – BO did a funny – hey, i’d like to talk to joe, too, if you;re out there. OMG.
    ======
    Um he did talk to Joe, that’s why he’s a topic of conversation. LMAO! What an idiot.

  114. please expand on the big governement theme and get the message out that the dems will control it all with big tax and spend and no stopping them…

    he needs to explain who the government will be – pelosi, reid, obama, dean

  115. Joe – you’re rich.

    Congratu;ations.

    You wanna take Joe’s money and you’ll decide what to do with it.

    You’ll have to pay a fine if you don’t want the plan BO mandates for you.
    That’s government . .
    95% of people will get benefits except for people with the gold plated ploicies . .

    JM’s defending his plan.
    The average cost is 5800 and i’ll give them 5g so people can decide instead of having government decide for them.

    Too much government and too much spending – government size has grown 40% – if you otice the dems have been in charge the past 2 years.

    What mistake in name did jm justmake?

  116. I’ve never applied a litmus test.
    (Schieffer interrupts him)
    JM – the decision belongs to the states. i’m a federalist.

    7 repubs and 7 dems got together
    BO we invited you but you turned it down

    Bo voted against roberts coz they didn’t meet his ideological standards
    judges should be evaluated on qualifications would consider anyone on their qualifications

  117. OMG,

    He’s drowning in trying to appeal to women!

    BO voted in the judiciary against a law providing immediate medical attention to a live born aborted child.

    JM is whipping his BUTT.
    Against a ban on partial birth abortion.
    BO voted present. How can you align yourself with the extreme wing of the pro-abortion lobby.

  118. so many lies i hope you guys can keep track..becasue women need to know what the sam hell he is talking about..he lost me …i cant understand him..

  119. Education is the civil rights issue of the 21st century.

    Great line.
    We have achieved progress but we need choice, charter schools . . . etc.

    We should be able to give families the same choices Sneator Obama and his wife have had (Princeton and Harvard – hehehehe)

  120. i think we can all bet that some reporter will track down Joe, the plumber, and ask him who he is voting for… he will either be on msnbc or fox soon

  121. im glad basil im not the only one man he lost me and this crap he is saying right now ,he lost me…he is full of thugs and lies and NO SENSE
    to explain things

  122. admin Says:

    October 15th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
    Is Obama getting a greater share of the time or is it just that he drones so?
    * * * * *
    BOTH!

  123. H4T,

    BO may have spoken twice as long but he said a tenth as much.

    I just tune him out – his voice is like white noise except if i went to sleep listening to that droning bs i’d have nightmares.

    well – gotta say BO did a decent job on education.

    I’m sure your aware of the vouher system in washington dc and parents wanted the same choice you and your wife and cindy and i have had. i’m surprised you didn’t pay more attention to vouchers.

    I just wish this debate could go on for another 2 hours.

    JM’s poist is throwing money at education isn’t the answer. The system cries out for transparency, accountability and funding.

  124. did i just hear BO say HE doubled the number of charter schools in Chicago?

    That is the biggest lie he has ever told

  125. LMAO! From another blog comment:

    Every time Mac looks sideways at BO, he is thinking, wow, he is an even bigger a$$hole than Hillary said.

  126. S Says:

    October 15th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
    i think we can all bet that some reporter will track down Joe, the plumber, and ask him who he is voting for… he will either be on msnbc or fox soon

    He already was on Fox with Neil Cavuto. He didn’t come right out and say he wasn’t voting for BO, but it was pretty obvious. You can probably already find the interview either on fox or youtube.

  127. Emjay Says:

    October 15th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
    did i just hear BO say HE doubled the number of charter schools in Chicago?

    That is the biggest lie he has ever told
    * * * * *
    There are more charter schools in Chicago, but he had little or nothing to do with it. Yeah, he did it all by himself – I don’t even think he was on the Education Committee. And, many are privately funded.

  128. Emjay Says:

    October 15th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
    did i just hear BO say HE doubled the number of charter schools in Chicago?

    That is the biggest lie he has ever told

    YES

  129. i’m cynical, but given Barky’s shady techniques, they’ll probably bribe Joe the plumber to say he’ll vote for BO.

  130. admin Says:

    October 15th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
    Is Obama getting a greater share of the time or is it just that he drones so?

    *******************************

    both…he hogs most of the time and even interrupts mccain and takes his time to explain mccain’s position before mccain has a chance to finish…

    AND HE DRONES ON AND ON AND ON…FOREVER

  131. I’m sure your aware of the vouher system in washington dc and parents wanted the same choice you and your wife and cindy and i have had. i’m surprised you didn’t pay more attention to vouchers.
    —-
    I lived in Washington DC for 4 years, if they have a voucher program it isn’t well advertised. I struggled with the worse public schools in the nation. They had charter schools you could go to, it was a school choice type thing. But vouchers as they have been proposed where you can take your tax money and pay for a private school, if that was an option they sure kept it quiet.

  132. Big Mac: trust – careful stewards – reform – record – proposals for the future of this country – country first – humbled to serve.

  133. Joe the Plumber is the big winner. McCain did a good job on going after Obama’s character (though not enough for us). Obama still can’t be trusted.

  134. H4T,

    Priceless and so true. 😀

    LMAO! From another blog comment:

    Every time Mac looks sideways at BO, he is thinking, wow, he is an even bigger a$$hole than Hillary said.

  135. O has a habit of taking other peoples legislation (Illinois) and other peoples ideas, and calling them his own without giving credit.

    That is a parasite.

  136. well,

    whats the chances of millions of voters,
    experiencing buyers remorse, from the
    primaries?

    i’m hoping, there was alot…

    i wonder what hillary is really thinking…
    does she believe what she’s been telling people? does she have buyers remorse?

    WILL HILLARY PULL THE LEVER FOR OBAMA, OR MCCAIN?

  137. admin,

    A star is born. hehehehe.

    And that joe is a hottie – can give todd a run for his money.

    Night all. Will check out the great post debate wrap-up here in the morning.

  138. Good reaction from uncommitted voters on CBS. Young (white) voter who was kinda/sorta for Obama said he now leans McCain. African-American woman is going with Obama. An older woman (white) said she likes the idea, after hearing it, of an across the board spending freeze. She said that first you use the hatchet then the scapel.

  139. Across the board, i think McCain pulled it back tonight, Obamas campaign is trying to pain him as angry but as we said even CNN said, Obama was flat.

  140. Did you also notice he did not rise to the occasion, and state that he did not condone some of the actions others were doing in his campaign?

    You better get out the National Guard.

  141. Fox is pretty negative, 4 on this focus group went to Obama. They were probably leaning that way anyway, though they say they weren’t.

  142. I’m sorry but I am astounded at the sheer unmittigated gall of lying Obama made on the abortion bills.

    That was pure unadulterated outright bald faced lies.

  143. It will be the usual, They’ll all proclaim Obama won, McCain was angry and celestial choirs will sweep Obama up and take him to washington.

  144. Frank Luntz focus group–majority felt Obama won the debate. No surprise. I believe Luntz’s focus group always votes Obama.

    One person thought Obama did well because he gave “direct answers”–unbelievable!

  145. I will be anxious to see what Mac does for the remainder of the campaign – he better get tough! Goodnight all!

  146. Well look at the make up of CNN’s team, they already set it up for an Obama win.

    Their dial group had

    7 Repubs
    12 Dems
    11 independents

    That told me all i needed to know.

  147. Does anyone have access to the polling methodology used in today’s CNN/Time VA poll?? Moononpluto?? I can’t seem to find it. Of course the “results” are readily available, just not the sampling info.

  148. I have no television so you on this blog are my eyes and ears for this debate

    Thank you for the great commentary.

    I wonder about Luntz. His focus groups always seem pro bambi. He must pick them for that.

    How did Hillary look? What did she say about the debate? Who was she sitting with?

  149. neeta, i bet they were not, nobody knows if anyone is truly an independent, the polls are bogus, i mean anyone can say they are.

  150. On CBS the McCain campaign thinks the trajectory of the campaign changed tonight due to – Joe the plumber. Meanwhile, Joe the plumber thinks the McCain tax plan would help him more but Joe the plumber is still uncommitted.

  151. HillGuy there are several articles about it, it was like a 25% oversampling of dems. Zogby and Rasmussen was on Hannity today and they said not to trust a poll that is not consistent. The same poll was at a 3% lead last week, and they said that this race is not that volatile, it has been pretty consistent, maybe varying a point, but that’s about it. They pretty much said that poll is pure bunk. I think there was commentary on it on National review.

  152. Not the cleverest thing to do, really going to piss people off.

    Obama Ad Pushes Back Start of World Series Game on Fox

    Major League Baseball has moved back the scheduled start time of game six of the World Series so Fox can join CBS and NBC in airing a half-hour Barack Obama advertisement on Oct. 29, network and league sources said.

    A network spokeswoman confirmed the buy and said MLB had agreed to the network’s request for the delay.

    Fox now joins CBS and NBC in airing the half hour program, the content of which the Obama campaign has declined to describe.

    The decision means that the Obama campaign is now spending close to $3 million to air the program from 8 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. that night.

    ABC didn’t immediately return a message seeking comment on whether it too has agreed to air the ad from the Democratic presidential candidate.

    If ABC agrees to air the ad, it would create an unprecedented roadblock of the nation’s biggest commercial networks for a political candidate.

    Fox had originally been scheduled to start airing the baseball game at 8:20 p.m. but is now expected to start the game at 8:35 p.m

  153. I think it’d be the biggest mistake of Obama – wasting his money – do you think people honestly would want to watch 30 minutes of the same old same boring Obama he’s not as exciting anymore

  154. Oh Hillary is saying stuff I dont believe her and never will..she is full of it..your sitll my Inspiration but no no Obama…

  155. Charles Krauthammer has written McCain off. He wrote Sarah Palin off too. Don’t listen to him. He thinks Obama won because he didn’t lose.

  156. I watched this debate except for the 1st twenty minutes. I think McCain did very well. I also filled out my absentee balot today. I am voting straight Repbulican this year. We can not afford the White House to BHO. We can not afford to give Pelosi/Reid a socalled supermajority either.

  157. Moon,

    I used to think very highly of Begala. This election season has really opened my eyes. Yes they are democrats…but just once I would like Begala, et al to say that country does indeed come first and no matter if Obama is masquerading as a democrat, he would still be the worst thing to happen to America since Benedict Arnold!

  158. Don’t worry Moonpluto…I have been telling people about the victory of Reagan in 1980. Reagan was behind in the polls but something like 8 million switched their vote to him in just a few days before the election and he won.

    Moral: don’t believe the polls–it’s not over until people actually vote.

  159. Just so she looks healthier than she did a few days ago. That is what I was worried about. The rest is party line bullshit. Wont move the needle. Glad McCain did really well.

    History is about to repeat itself. DEWEY WINS. But Truman is president.

  160. Hillary opened by being defensive about speaking to McCain — said it was weeks ago, an old story, already out there………

    Then she went on to praise Obama…I think she really believes that a Dem — any Dem — would be better than any Rep. I think she truly believes O would be better. I guess for someone who was tortured by the right for so long, it is impossible to believe that the far left would be worse.

  161. I don’t know how some of Obama’s supporters sleep at night. They are so desperate to win a democratic presidency that they are willing to sell America to a monster. Whatever happened to ethics and honesty among men?

  162. Anyway give it 2 hrs and Survey USA will have polled California, Washington and New York (notice they never poll Georgia or Tennesee) about the debates but i could probably write the numbers up now, lol.

  163. This whole 30 minute BO ad on the major networks is BEYOND DISGUSTING. I mean didn’t the asshole get enough time during his Mount Olympus convention speech?? This is why I will NEVER vote for him. During debates, his behavior is despicably petulant and immature (constantly putting up his fucking finger, interrupting his opponent, etc). He can’t take hearing ANYTHING negative about himself. And the only time any amount of negativity about him is televised, it’s during a debate (during which time he ALWAYS INTERRUPTS!). He told SOOO many blatant lies tonight regarding his record, and that is all his 30 minutes is going to be: LIES.

  164. Isnt it amazing on Drudge, Obama never gets past 25% on the poll. Be so funny on election day if the pollster had it wrong by miles.

  165. It’s all about BO. Always. Stroking HIS ego. Him fulfilling HIS “destiny.” It’s NEVER about the country.

    Barack Obama: Career First. Country Last.

  166. Its the same thing, i’ve heard over and over today from Obama campaigners, Hillarys supporters are all on board now.

    Really, do tell us, because some of us obiously didnt get the memo and are not?

  167. I think this half hour commercial is a big mistake. He will be preaching to the choir. Only bots will tune in, if anyone else tunes in it will be out of curiosity. And it looks really arrogant. Throwing money away during an economic crisis. a few days before the election. Lots of people are voting early. I will have voted by then anyway.

  168. BTW, the women with the reaction dials always responded to any generality that O said….they loved his delivery if not him.

    O: “The country is in trouble” (women up 5 points)
    O: “We need to help the economy” (w up 5 more)
    O: “I will reduce taxes” (w up 10 more)

    Did McC point out that O will NOT reduce taxes for 95% of us? Or was he cut off?

  169. Did he seal the deal on Vera Baker?

    On his birth certificate?

    On his religion?

    On why he flopped on FISA?

    On why he flopped on public financing?

    On why he railed against Hillary’s moratorium on home foreclosures during the primaries, but now supports them?

    On why he stayed in a racist church for 20 years if he doesn’t believe what was being preached?

    On why he launched his career in the home of a terrorist?

    Didn’t think so. Love ya Hill, but didn’t think so.

  170. moononpluto, I guess that’s why they had a fund raising event with Palin in New York. Those hill suporters didn’t get the memo either.

  171. I think their be a big whopper ad on his lies on the abortion bills, my god was that huge whoppers or what.

  172. love Hillary but lets take a look at the Bill Clinton years and GWB’s

    Clinton didn’t have the military spending that is required today. As a matter of fact the military was down sizing and that is why more people had a bigger piece of the pie. Compare that with post 9/11, military spending has taken the lion share of the budget. Agree on Iraq or not, there are people in this world that really hate us and would love nothing more than to give us another 9/11. Bill Clinton didn’t have to deal with that threat on our home soil of todays magnitude. This unfortunately is a fact of life today and we will have to deal with it. So NO Hillary we will not be able to return to Clinton years or prosperity we lavished on ourselves anytime soon. Foreclosure mess or not!

  173. Think of all the vile and putrid people who will be suicidal when BO loses:

    Pelosi, Chris Matthews, Olbermann, Andrew Sullivan (a disgrace to gays), McCaskill, BEN SMITH, Campbell Brown, Gloria Borger, Geoffrey TOObin, Roland Marshall, DONNA BRAZILLE.

    Oh happy day.

  174. she must read this place i say it all the time.he has not CLOSED THE DEAL.and every where else on the web every where in Montana wyoming and south dakota i say it to everyone ..and those states will go MCCAIN /Palin

  175. Oh i turned CNN off immediately after the debate finished, if i ever went postal worker, i think i’d head for the CNN election center on election night and take all those pundits out.

  176. The reason for th 30 minutes is he thought he would need to give a sermon after tonight.

    A wonderful telepromted speech, after which the media can vomit all over themselves.

    He knew he would need it. Does not sound like he has it in the bag. If you do, you don’t have to do this.

  177. Folks, no early morning stuff from me, its 6 am here and I’ll be sleeping late tomorrow, so sorry, no headliners til later.

  178. By the way some food for thought

    Early poll gives Kerry the edge in final debate

    “TEMPE, Arizona (CNN) — Sen. John Kerry appeared to gain more momentum heading toward November 2, easily beating President Bush in the third and final debate, a poll taken late Wednesday night suggests. A CNN/USA Today/Gallup snap poll taken immediately after the presidential debate found that respondents gave a significant edge to Kerry over Bush, 52 percent to 39 percent. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 5 percentage points. The numbers were similar to the results of a poll taken the night of the first debate September 30 in Miami, Florida.”

    and we all know how that turned out.

  179. “Clinton didn’t have the military spending that is required today. As a matter of fact the military was down sizing and that is why more people had a bigger piece of the pie. Compare that with post 9/11, military spending has taken the lion share of the budget. ”
    ===========================
    You know, I love Bill Clinton for many things, but not for what he did to the military. The downsizing was to the point of being dangerous. My hubby has been in the military for 20 years, we have been through both administrations, and as a military family, our standard of living has doubled under Bush. When Bush was elected we were living in condemed military housing. I had rats for heaven’s sakes. All that housing has been torn down and new housing has been constructed and that is going on all over the country and has been for 8 years. There were huge raises. Raises under Clinton were minimal. Those were the days when you really didn’t stay in for the money, cause there was very little. Under Clinton an Air Force Chief, the highest enlisted rank that is possible, still qualified for Wic. Imagine working a job for 25 years, going all the way to the top, and still qualifying for WIC. Retention was at its lowest, people got in, saw their peers doing the same jobs for twice or more the pay and got out and went to do that job in the private sector. Bush had a war, and on top of that a military to repair. He made it easier to get promoted, and raised the base pay to match the pay for the same jobs in the private sector. He increased retention hugely. He repaired the decaying buildings, tore down the condemned housing, the runways even had holes in them. Clinton had many strong policies and did a lot of good things for the country, but he failed on the military. He put that money elsewhere. Sorry I know this is a pro Clinton site, but I lived it. I still would have voted for him because on the whole he was good for the country, but for the military he wasn’t so great. I have been trying to tell all these young military members what voting for Obama is really going to mean for them, they can say goodbye to all these great raises they have been getting, cutting won’t just come from weapons, he will freeze their raises and their benefits.

  180. {{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?…

    MCCAIN 73% 90,138

    OBAMA 25% 31,125

    NEITHER 1% 1,621

    Total Votes: 122,884

  181. I am so hoping that when McCain wins, all these so-called media experts end up embarassed and with egg on their faces.

    Instead they will probably incite rioting.

  182. Lin67

    In Bill’s defense, the downsizing was set up over a period of time by Cheney when he was Sec. Def under Reagan. It was in response to the end of the cold war and also the destruction of the Berlin Wall.

    but the point is we don’t have the same budget concerns under Bill clinton

  183. Oh i turned CNN off immediately after the debate finished, if i ever went postal worker, i think i’d head for the CNN election center on election night and take all those pundits out.
    —————————————–
    Moon, I agree why listen to those twisted fucks. If you saw the debate we can interpret it better than they can because we have no corporate agenda to serve.

    As far as the polls, they are crap. The governors race in our state the externals show a dead heat, the internals show 5% republican advantage and both candidates are white, i.e. no bradley effect to increase the margin. How many times did the media tell us in the primary bambi would win by a double digit margin and only to see him lose by a subtantial margin?

  184. Fake panel voter on CBS

    From another blog

    Anyone else catch the AA woman on CBS after the debate? She said she usually votes “Republic” but now that she has heard Obama, she is voting for him.

    Ahah, she is so a lying witch.

  185. Best line of the debates

    ‘If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run four years ago.’

    I pissed myself laughing, it was Reagan doing his “there you go again” line

  186. lol look at this

    {{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?…

    MCCAIN 74% 101,015

    OBAMA 25% 34,634

    NEITHER 1% 1,751

    Total Votes: 137,400

  187. Aside from McCain shutting it down tonight (that’s a good thing, btw), I thought I would bring a good omen to you folks tonight:

    hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/cindy-mccain-won-family-circle-cookie-contest-has-predicted-every-white-house-win-since-1992/

    Cindy McCain’s cookie recipe won the Family Circle Cookie Contest, which has correctly predicted every White House winner since 1992.

  188. admin Says:

    October 15th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
    AOL poll has McCain winning the debate 48% to 46% (79,000 votes +)

    news.aol.com/elections/debates/article/presidential-debate-hofstra-mccain-obama/203722?icid=100214839×1211670540×1200705762

  189. it’s truly unbelievable to me that my next president will be decided by a handful of undecided voters. After nearly 2 years of a flood of information we still have people that don’t know. How the hell is that????

  190. About 200K Ohio voters have records discrepancies
    By TERRY KINNEY, Associated Press Writer
    48 minutes ago

    CINCINNATI – Close to one in every three newly registered Ohio voters will end up on court-ordered lists being sent to county election boards because they have some discrepancy in their records, an elections spokesman said Wednesday

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_ge/voter_registration

  191. we will see a fierce legal challenge to whomever wins 11/4

    and we thought 2000 was a bad year for voters

    wonder if the supremes will decide this one too.

  192. two of Governor Palin’s rallies are sold out:

    Maine

    Indiana

    Think about it – sold out for Palin + attacks on Obama on reasons why he should not be President + why McCain/Palin is the ticket = more votes for McCain

    Obama’s events not sold out + people beginning to be bored = a losing ticket

  193. justmeinmountdorafl just adding some important news from McCain to your great news about McCain

    citizens.johnmccain.com/citizens.htm
    The Citizens for McCain phone banks are up and running. Please help us in our efforts to reach out to Democrats and Independents in targeted regions near you to ensure that we secure the support of every potential voter who could make the difference in this tight race. Please use the links below to connect to the phone bank and begin making calls to these voters who are putting country before party.
    Daytime Phone Bank (10:00AM-6:00PM local time):
    Evening/Weekend Phone Bank (6:00PM-9:00PM & Weekends 10:00AM-9:00PM local time):

  194. neetabug Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 12:30 am
    Lin67

    My son is in the Air Force, he said the same thing, They have gotten more raises during the Bush Admin.
    ******************************

    Well they should with the Iraq war. They are trying to keep experienced people in. But they cut benefits I believe.

  195. Ya, that was good and he is so good when he is sarcastic. I really love good sarcasim, as long as it isn’t the Frauds

  196. I didn’t watch the debate. Went to dinner with my brother. What did McCain say about taxing employee health care benefits?

  197. I did not see the debate, do you all think the tide is turning back to McCain after this debate?? It would be just like the republicans to wait until the debates are done to spill the beans on Obama, that way they don’t have point blank questions by the moderators or audience. They can just send them out via FOx News!!
    What did Hillary have to say tonight?? Did she look convincing or not??

  198. confloyd Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 1:03 am
    ***********************************************

    Most of Fox news is now in the tank for the Fraud. Hillary was overboard Fraud 24/7, nauseating. True Hill fans were very much saddened. She didn’t have to do this. I don’t remember anything about the tax on health care? does anyone else?

  199. gonzotx, it is disheartening to see Hillary do this, but we don’t know the whole story, so I am just going to trust her intuition, although I will vote take her advice to vote for the messiah. Can’t bring myself to do it, had he treated hillary better and had not run such a nasty campaign, I might try to think about it, but then I would remember, Rezko, Odingo, Birth ceritificates, Acorn, Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Father Phleger and his new pastor, gees, I can’t remember all the shady characters in his life!!

  200. The AA woman, did anyone catch her full name, and where she is from? It can easily be checked whether she was a republican

  201. Please don’t repeat any MSM polls tonight…the media got pad major bucks out of that bailout package so they’re official line will be Obama won because he looked good.

    In reality McCain won the debate and those dials proved it…people wanted to see a passionate, hard hitting McCain and they saw/heard him push Obama around.

    He stood up for the little people and people aren’t stupid….Obama want to spend an additional Trillion dollars and tax and spend. Obama is not talking about tax and don’t spend…he still want to spend money.

    I’m glad McCain talked about those T-shirts with the C word on them….Hillary has to push the DEMOCRATIC? TAliban PARTY meme to show she is a strong Democrat and worked within the system but Hillary Clinton is not an insider in the Obama Democratic Party…she is looked on as a threat so once they win…they will kick her to the curb until they need her.

    Bill Clinton doesn’t care he is fine doing his Foundation Work which is a global concern, he doesn’t need the Democratic Party, in fact they need him more then he need them…his money is independent of the Party and they know it.

  202. Like I said before…This is a GOTV election. The one who can get the most people to the polls will win…period.

    McCain stated his case and he did a very good job the best of the debate…I think McCain held back and waited for the last Debate so it will be the one that resonate with the voters.

    Just like Sarah Palin’s one VP debate still resonate with the voters and Team Obama they are doing everything they can do to try and destroy her reputation but it ain’t working the people are just ignoring the bias media.

    I like how McCain stood up and said him supporter are not racist but proud American patriots.

  203. The DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY are doing voter suppression big time…they do not want the McCain/Palin camp in the White House and all those Elites Beltway media pundits have picked sides and is picking their own sides.

    It’s Elites vs Elites but more and more people don’t like want they are seeing and they are enough non-traditional avenues out there to help counter the false charges and hateful lying the bully from Chicago is doing.

    The last 3 weeks are going to be in your face, mudslinging hard knockle politics.

  204. McCain has wisdom, courage to lead U.S.
    Published: 10/16/2008 12:06 AM

    As a retired U.S. Army officer and Vietnam veteran, I wholeheartedly support Sen. John McCain’s nomination for President. I firmly believe he has the best qualifications of any candidate to serve as America’s Commander-in-Chief from the first day of his presidency.

    Our country is facing serious national security challenges which require a leader with proven leadership, courage and judgment. We need a leader with a thorough knowledge of our military as well as experience dealing with numerous foreign leaders. John McCain is that leader.

    John McCain has a long and distinguished career in our military as well as Congress. He has continuously displayed the courage, integrity and wisdom to lead America.

    This Election Day, I will cast my vote for Sen. John McCain and his running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin.

    George Iler

    Gurnee

    http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=242449&src=

  205. I think something may be getting ready to come down???? I keep checking out barrysoetoro.com Originally it had a flash screen and went to johnmccain.com Now it stays up as the site name in my browser and you can click through to johnmcacin.com When you click through you end up at john mccain but barrysoetoro com is still listed at the top of the page. The site is an exact copy of the entire John McCain site so in that sense it is now live.

  206. Carby, what was the answer about those t-shirts with the c-word on them?? I am guessing he dismissed as overzealous supporters. Looks like McCain did a good job of shutting the kid down! LOL!!

  207. Most of Fox news is now in the tank for the Fraud. Hillary was overboard Fraud 24/7, nauseating. True Hill fans were very much saddened. She didn’t have to do this. I don’t remember anything about the tax on health care? does anyone else?
    —————————————–
    Then we are thinking with our heart and not our head. If she had gone independent she would be in a positon to openly criticize obama, as she did in the primary. But when she decided to stay in the party she lost that freedom.

    Apparently she believed that staying in a party was the best way to support her constituents and the colleagues who were loyal to her. In doing so she accepted the fact that the party screwed her. We on the other hand do not.
    Now, she has no choice but to support the party and its nominee–even though he is beelzebub prince of devils and would defile our world.

    Under the circumstances, she cannot tell an openly hostile media what she really thinks about anything. If you had gone through what she has gone through would you? She must say what is in the party interest. I am sure she knows we are unhappy about this, hopes we understand what she is up against and will remember that she has devoted 35 years of her life to serving us and will not stop doing so whenever possible.

    She has paid dearly for the privilege of supporting us in this election. She campaigned tirelessly, spent millions of her own money and fought against a corrupt media, a Machiavellian opponent and a cabal of traitors and turncoats in the party and still won the popular vote and the electoral map. But the undeniable truth is they were too sexist to give the nomination to her.
    If you feel bad think how she must feel.

    That is why I say fine whatever when she says bambis flatline performance sealed the deal. The statement is ludicrous and patently untrue. But I would sooner have her say that than see the politican and woman we love fall on her own sword to no avail. Bambi and Big Media would like nothing better. We must not play their game.

  208. wbboei Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 2:48 am
    **************************************

    I know many people have divergent feelings regarding Hillary @ this time.Some believe Hillary is staying in the party to make a difference. The problem with that is that the party has left her and is using her and we may very well be left with the fraud,
    I loved Hillary and worked for her tirelessly as many here have, but I can not and will not condone her getting behind the fraud in the fashion she has. Even she will talk about how she has done more than any other candidate in history for the other person. Her going on the TV shows after the Debate broke my heart. Well this is not just any other election . This is EVIL and we may never come this way again. In my heart of hearts I do believe if the fraud is elected, America may very well be destroyed. I have never seen anything like this. His Terrorist associations alone. My family has fought for every major War for this great Country. I feel betrayed and I do fear for my family. There may very well be nothing left for Hillary to come back to try to save.

    I understand she worked for all of us for 35 years. I give her her due, but her campaigning for the fraud has allowed millions of Hill supporters to cross over to vote Fraud. I believe had she just said she was endorsing the ticket and then worked for down ticket Dem’s that were loyal to her JM would be comfortably ahead. I understand she would pay a price but @ what cost is she supporting the Fraud? I hear from Hill supporters everyday, “well Hillary is supporting him so I will”. It is a fight we can not win with these yellow dog Dems. These people don’t blog, they read newspapers and listen to the biased media.
    I will support the candidate that puts Country before Party.

  209. gonzo — I think she truly believes he would be better than the Republicans. I guess her determination to get healthcare for us just blinds her to the fraud that is Obama.

  210. Agreed. I was a yellow-dog-democrat (last 4 generations of us were). I do put Country before Party though. It has never been so dangerous to go on auto pilot. I am sick at heart that Hillary has done as much as she has for Barry. I will think more about it after the election. I pray every day that Mac and Sarah win. We deserve better than some stealth candidate imposing socialism on us. I don’t think there’s any going back to the Democrat party after this…Hillary or not…unless it can be rebuilt from the ground up. Still, I feel as though I’ve been voting in a stupor for the last 8 years. Not that I’d have voted for Bush but Kerry and Gore weren’t good choices either…I see that now. Gore is doing what he should have been doing all along but POTUS? I don’t think he’d have been that great.

  211. anniecarmel,

    I was a fan of Gore. He was well qualified to carry on the policies of the Clinton-Gore 90s.

    The press attacked him as they are attacking Palin now (and did Hillary earlier this year).

  212. They really dont seem to know that if there is 200,000 dodgy voters, why wont they verify them.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/16/AR2008101600702.html

    Ohio Files Appeal to Supreme Court on Voter Registration Data

    Ohio’s Attorney General filed an emergency appeal to the U. S. Supreme Court late Wednesday night seeking to block a lower court decision that could cost many thousands of Ohio voters a chance to cast a regular ballot on Nov. 4.

    The battleground state already has become the setting for a series of lawsuits over voter eligibility. About 660,000 new voters have registered since January with an edge to Democrats.

    The filing on behalf of Democratic Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner contends that upholding a Tuesday decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit would create havoc on Election Day and cause many voters to cast “provisional” ballots that may or may not ultimately be tallied depending on judgments by local elections boards.

  213. Secret Service: No One Shouted ‘Kill Him’ About Obama

    newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-sheffield/2008/10/16/secret-service-no-one-shouted-kill-him-about-obama

    Despite the huge media hubub that it’s caused, the U.S. Secret Service is formally denying an allegation from a Pennsylvania newspaper that an attendee at a Republican rally shouted out “kill him” in reference to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.

    “We have yet to find someone to back up the story,” agent Bill Slavoski told the Wilkes-Barre Times Leader. “We had people all over and we have yet to find anyone who said they heard it.”

    The alleged remark was first reported by David Singleton, a writer for the Scranton Times-Tribune newspaper. Singleton remains the sole person claiming he heard the offensive words:

    Sounds like he should be arrested for inciting racial violence.

  214. moononpluto Says:

    October 15th, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    Its the same thing, i’ve heard over and over today from Obama campaigners, Hillarys supporters are all on board now
    ======

    Let them think so, maybe they won’t bother to vote. 🙂

    THe media hs bee writing thath sotry over and over all summer. IN August (and in Sept iirc) Pwe and another poll caem out with a strong statement that Obama had made NO prgress wiht Hill supporters; they were still pollint the same as in the late spring. (Differeces are how the pollster counts the ‘protest by staying home’ peooe.)

  215. I sat I watched and I listened last night and I my conclusion is that Hustler was an angry nervous tight rope walker waiting for the winds of political war to subside and leave a teleprompter to bridge the gap between his mouth and his brain.The sharp evil dictators that he would meet with as CIC are far better at getting their point across and dominating the people that get in their way.The world leaders he would meet directly with will not accept the BS that this phoney light wheight will try to spread.Hustler reminds me of the wbboei story about Hercules the stable boy and his losing fight to clean up after horses.In The Hustler case there are no horses,just his own BS.

    Hillary looked great last night and shis not going away any time soon.My friends she is waiting in the wings and ever ready.

    By ABM90

  216. Am I seeing and hearing a subliminal from Hillary? AT her CNN interview with little Bluster,he asked again if she would accept an offer of VP for The Hustler,if asked.I think there was a slight hint of what might occur shortly.Hillary said being the NY Sen. is very important and we need all of the Dem.senators we can elect to be able to have a veto proof Senate.In my humble analysis,I believe that she is telling us that The Hustler will either lose the GE or he will fall on his bed of Acorn fraudulent actions or the American Voters will come to their senses and run him out of office. She is still standing tall in the eyes of the party for her undying loyalty and buyers remorse will rear its realistic head and she will return standing tall loyal patriotic and ready to sve her country from itself.

    ” TO THINK WE COULD AND MAY STILL HAVE HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON”

    By ABM90 Ever loyal and Ever Optomistic.

  217. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/joe-the-plumber.html

    John McCain may have found a blue-collar face to help him argue that no American — not even the richest 5 percent — should pay higher taxes.

    “Joe The Plumber” has weighed in on Wednesday’s presidential debate and he says that Barack Obama’s tax plan “infuriates me.”

    “To be honest with you, that infuriates me,” plumber Joe Wurzelbacher told Nightline’s Terry Moran. “It’s not right for someone to decide you made too much—that you’ve done too good and now we’re going to take some of it back.”

    “That’s just completely wrong,” he added.

    Wurzelbacher, who says no one from the McCain campaign got in touch with him before Wednesday, was a centerpiece of the third and final presidential debate.

  218. GENDER-BENDING THE LAW; ACORN GUY A ‘CON’ GAL

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/10162008/news/nationalnews/gender_bending_the_law_133833.htm

    An Ohio man who cast an illegal early ballot and registered to vote several times with ACORN was arrested– as a woman. The bizarre tale of Darnell Nash – aka Serina “Sexy Slay” Gibbs – came to light after election officials charged him with voter fraud and turned him in to prosecutors. Nash has a criminal record as a man, and a transsexual escort, the self-proclaimed “Queen of Cleveland Gender Benders.” Nash was busted for scamming local college students in a fake loan-program scheme that gave him access to their checking accounts.

  219. {{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?…

    MCCAIN 72% 176,515

    OBAMA 27% 65,947

    NEITHER 1% 3,222

    Total Votes: 245,684

    McCain winning by 111,000, sounds like West Virginia all over again

  220. He thinks he’s won already, I think he’s sadly mistaken.

    cbs2chicago.com/local/obama.election.night.2.841341.html

    Obama planning huge election night party.

    lol, it may finish early or they’ll burn the place down?

  221. OMG, planning his election night party and his first 100 days already. Did you all see that article in The Hill? They are sure they have already won it. That turns a lot of people off. Its very arrogant. I really don’t think he will win either.

  222. We had our Canadian federal election last Tuesday. Rahim Jaffer, a Conservative member of parliament for many years, went down to defeat. However, it was so close that he had already given his acceptance speech prior to finding out that he had lost to his opponent in the New Democrat Party. He definitely had egg on his face when his handlers rushed him out of campaign headquarters upon the news of his loss.

    This is what I want to happen to Obama. I want him to be so arrogant and sure of himself and then be cut off at the knees. I want to see him whine and cry.

  223. In case some of you had’nt noticed or forgot, Its kind of in the same place as 2004, they skewed the polls, they had Kerry way ahead and they were calling Kerry, Mr President, by 2pm in the afternoon and we all know how that one turned out.

  224. Moon, so they are saying that Hillary’s supporters are on board, I wonder what board they are looking at. What about lady somebody that is now backing McCain?? None of us here on this blog are backing the fraud, but I guess we don’t count!

  225. You notice Survey USA has only done a poll of California about the debate, now in all previous debates, they immediately came out with polls of Cali and Washington within an hour of the debate, could it be, they dont like the results they got?

  226. One only needs to look at the democratic primary caucuses to understand how serious the voter fraud is. The republicans saw this coming and are acting appropriately.
    The fact the the sec of state of Ohio is fighting any challenge to have a review of registrations just re-enforces the idea that the dems are trying to fix the elections.

  227. good morning everyone! because of the “dangers” (imagined or otherwise) of speaking out regarding you choice, people are lying through their teeth just to get on with their lives until they get to the polling place. a lot of people i know are muttering under their breaths how they hate him for a lot of different individual reasons.
    so let’s let them measure the drapes and plan the parties already. they forgot that there’s a simmering anger and belated realization of how hollow this “messiah” really is.
    regarding hillary, this is my 2 cents: all that she is doing right now reminds me of a typical abused housewife behavior. you bow your head and just do as you’re told. (this from a person who we thought will make history).

  228. I just saw a comment on a bot blog saying “I think the republican turnout will be lower than expected this year” Oh they live in fantasyland. If they think the Republicans are going to let Obama waltz into the WH, they have another think coming, He stands for everything they detest, if anything Republican turnout will be much much higher than they think.

  229. Good Morning!

    JM knocked it outta the park last night, I don’t give a sh!t whatMSM said.

    Let’s hope he keeps the momentum going through Nov. 4.
    On another note, check THIS!!!! BO whining about FOX news coverage even though they’re now in the tank with the rest of the liars.
    From NY Magazine. “I am convinced that if there were no Fox News, I might be two or three points higher in the polls,” Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama told New York Times Magazine.

    In an interview with Matt Bai that will run this coming weekend, Obama complained about Fox News’ coverage of his campaign.

    “If I were watching Fox News, I wouldn’t vote for me, right?” he said.

    “Because the way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak. I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?

    “I guess the point I’m making,” he went on, “is that there is an entire industry now, an entire apparatus, designed to perpetuate this cultural schism, and it’s powerful.”

    Obama also said, referring to newsmen at Fox News and MSNBC: “If voters are … polarized and if they’re seeing two different realities, a Sean Hannity reality and a Keith Olbermann reality, then we’re not going to be able to get done the work we need to get done.”

  230. imagine,

    Good point and i hope you’re right… Everyone muttering under their breath about how much they despise THAT ONE but not saying it publicly.

    I have NEVER hated the sound of anyone’s voice or the sight of anyone’s smirk-mug as BO.

  231. Rasmussen (10/16/08): Obama – 50%, McCain 46% (+1)

    Statistical tie folks and with an at least 6^ dem bias, McCain is in hell of a good shape.

  232. This is incredible.
    Meet the people who are going to put Obama in office
    Rick Moran
    This is really incredible. It stunned Ben Smith over at Politico where I got these quotes. It floored a GOP consultant who conducted the focus group where the people were quoted.

    And it is perhaps the single most depressing thing I’ve read this entire campaign season:

    The GOP consultant emailed Smith about a focus group he just finished conducting. Evidently, he showed a hard hitting ad on Ayers to the group and this was the email he sent:

    Reagan Dems and Independents. Call them blue-collar plus. Slightly more Target than Walmart.

    Yes, the spot worked. Yes, they believed the charges against Obama. Yes, they actually think he’s too liberal, consorts with bad people and WON’T BE A GOOD PRESIDENT…but they STILL don’t give a f***. They said right out, “He won’t do anything better than McCain” but they’re STILL voting for Obama.

    The two most unreal moments of my professional life of watching focus groups:

    54 year-old white male, voted Kerry ’04, Bush ’00, Dole ’96, hunter, NASCAR fan…hard for Obama said: “I’m gonna hate him the minute I vote for him. He’s gonna be a bad president. But I won’t ever vote for another god-damn Republican. I want the government to take over all of Wall Street and bankers and the car companies and Wal-Mart run this county like we used to when Reagan was President.”

    The next was a woman, late 50s, Democrat but strongly pro-life. Loved B. and H. Clinton, loved Bush in 2000. “Well, I don’t know much about this terrorist group Barack used to be in with that Weather guy but I’m sick of paying for health insurance at work and that’s why I’m supporting Barack.”

    I felt like I was taking crazy pills. I sat on the other side of the glass and realized…this really is the Apocalypse. The Seventh Seal is broken and its time for eight years of pure, delicious crazy….
    For the first time, I really feel scared about the future. These people are like the Germans in the election of 1933. They know what’s coming but they don’t care. Back then, all they cared about was that Hitler was going to give them a job and keep their lunch pails full. And stick it to the Jews. And restore Germany’s “rightful place” in the world. They knew full well that Hitler would destroy the independent unions, crack down on dissent, and turn Germany from a very free country into a fascist dictatorship.

    Part of this is McCain’s fault. He bought into that populist crap about greedy Wall Street. Well, so as ye sow, so shall ye reap. And we’re about to reap the whirlwind.

    In this kind of atmosphere any kind of a government is possible. And I don’t know if Obama can resist the kind of raw power these nincompoops are willing to give him. Who could?

    You need a license to own a dog but any fool can vote.

  233. To be honest, those voters sound like complete bullshit. Republicans do not vote for people like Obama, they’d sooner die first.

  234. Fox is talking about Obama’s comments regarding fox. They also read someone else who said if the MSM wasn’t part of Obama’s campaign staff he’d be down 10. Don’t remember who said that, might have been a letter from a viewer. They also said that Hillary said she would be very happy to join the Fox morning show, that fox news of all the networks treated her the most fairly.

    From that newsmax article:
    “I am convinced that if there were no Fox News, I might be two or three points higher in the polls,” Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama told New York Times Magazine.

    In an interview with Matt Bai that will run this coming weekend, Obama complained about Fox News’ coverage of his campaign.

    “If I were watching Fox News, I wouldn’t vote for me, right?” he said.

    “Because the way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak. I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?

    “I guess the point I’m making,” he went on, “is that there is an entire industry now, an entire apparatus, designed to perpetuate this cultural schism, and it’s powerful.”

    Obama also said, referring to newsmen at Fox News and MSNBC: “If voters are … polarized and if they’re seeing two different realities, a Sean Hannity reality and a Keith Olbermann reality, then we’re not going to be able to get done the work we need to get done.”

  235. moononpluto Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 9:49 am
    To be honest, those voters sound like complete bullshit. Republicans do not vote for people like Obama, they’d sooner die first.

    =====
    They were a independent/Reagan dem focus group, not republicans. And you know, i think there are always people like that in every election, don’t really pay attention, don’t really care, are total morons. Maybe we just haven’t read about them in the news before, but I have personally met a few.

  236. gonzotx Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 3:48 am
    ——————————————–
    That is an excellent rebuttal to my argument. I understand how you feel. It may lead you and others not to support her in the future. It may also tarnish their legacy.

    Obviously I am of a different mind. I could be entirely wrong. There is one thing we do agree on, and that is the fact that defeating bambi is a moral imperative. He is a bad man but too many people cannot see it now. Give him power and they soon will. But by then it is too late.

    DEFEND FREEDOM. DEFEAT OBAMA. ELECT MCCAIN. SAVE THE MIDDLE CLASS.

  237. NMF,
    I posted the entire article (it’s short) at 9:36.

    All,

    I LOVE this line from seattle moss at NQ. 😀

    Tell Senator Government
    that we’re with Joe Plumber

    ROTF!

  238. imagine44 –“ regarding hillary, this is my 2 cents: all that she is doing right now reminds me of a typical abused housewife behavior. you bow your head and just do as you’re told. (this from a person who we thought will make history).”
    —————————————-
    Where have you been, dimwit – she HAS made history!
    Your comparing Hillary to a typical abused housewife is a tribute to your stupidity. Typical housewives do not do any of the things she has done in her entire career. They haven’t got the guts and you have no idea at al about what it takes to walk the line she is walking. Grow up! This is a site where Hillary Clinton is intelligently appreciated. If you want to slam her, put on your c*** t-shirt and go join the hate hill club.

  239. “I am convinced that if there were no Fox News . . . (I could lie to everybody and make the public believe it.)

    So where is that fucking news joke who is pretending to interview him. Why does he sit there like a potted plant and not challenge that drivel. Why does he not question his lack of expeience, his lack of integrity his refusal to produce a valid birth certificate and who is really behind him. What a scumbag. Journalist is a misnomer. The proper word is propagandist.

  240. What is the one line you can’t forget?

    There are two and they’re both McCain’s.

    “I am not George W Bush……..”

    and “Senator Government”!

    A great line…

  241. 54 year-old white male, voted Kerry ‘04, Bush ‘00, Dole ‘96, hunter, NASCAR fan…hard for Obama said: “I’m gonna hate him the minute I vote for him. He’s gonna be a bad president
    —————————————–
    I begin to appreciate docor kierkvovrikian. Somebody should put this moron out of his misery and if he keeps going on like this its only a matter of time before he asks for it. Leave it to big media to find the most incongrouous example to validate their phony narrative. This is a representative example of precisely what? Surely not reagan democrats. The toxic maunderings of a delusional fool. How did he make it to 54 year. When he goes hunting I hope they do not issue any live ammunition to him.

  242. In Politico’s debate poll — which gave Obama big marks in the first two — Obama won by only 3 (within the margin of error) but the independents went for McC. Nice.

    Also, there are quite a few conservatives who don’t think McC is conservative enough. Well, the Socialist Special is now hurtling down the track with the conductor last night calling out the economy stops and I would hope they would decide they just cannot get on board.

  243. freckles, that senator government was a slip up. He inadvertently dropped Obama went to the next word government but corrected himself.

  244. Does Krauthammer refer to Megyn as Hillary in the video above. I rewound it a couple of times and my ears hear Hillary. What does this indicate?

    admin Says:

    October 15th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

  245. 54 year-old white male, voted Kerry ‘04, Bush ‘00, Dole ‘96, hunter, NASCAR fan…hard for Obama said: “I’m gonna hate him the minute I vote for him. He’s gonna be a bad president
    —————————————–
    On further reflection, since he is so determined to get even with somebody that he will vote for someone he knows will ruin the country, perhaps he should vote for McCain who will save the country and get even with Big Media instead. Either that or stare into the barrel of his 12
    guage and see if the trigger works.

  246. I struggled with how on earth Big Mac could nail Oliars ass to the wall and NOT look mean and/or desperate. I still don’t know how he managed to pull that off…but pull it off he did. And brilliantly.

    Will it be enough? Doubt it. But still, I was impressed as hell with the McCain I saw last night.

  247. I actually laughed when McCain nearly said “Gov Palin is a breast of fresh air”, watch it again, it was half way out.

  248. Gonzo – hours ago I know but I have to answer because I am disgusted with these anti-Hillary remarks – bad enough to find them on other sites, but on this one? A pro-Hillary site?

    Gonzo said: “I loved Hillary and worked for her tirelessly as many here have, but I can not and will not condone her getting behind the fraud in the fashion she has”.

    Wake up, kid! This is not a rock star we’re talking about here. This is one of the best minds and most talented, accomplished statespersons to come along in generations! Do you really think you know better than she does how she should behave in a situation you know next to nothing about and can barely comprehend? Condone? Condone? Are you god? The pope? Or just a pretentious ass?
    “Her going on the TV shows after the Debate broke my heart”.
    Put your heart in your hip pocket and start using your head! You want her to hide in a corner? You want her to scream out to all the world that BO is a bad man and thus destroy her standing with the party she needs in order to stay in politics working for you?
    I hear from Hill supporters everyday, “well Hillary is supporting him so I will”.
    Those people are the sheep who vote Democratic because they follow the party line. It’s like religion – you do what the church tells you. Intelligent voters do not buy the party line – any party line. The sheep would vote for O no matter whether Hillary campaigned for him or not. They are Democrats. It’s their religion, and they are afraid to leave it. That way they don’t have to learn anything new or make any decisions.
    The kind of hero you want only exists in 1940s Hollywood movies and fairytales.

  249. admin> excellent commentary by Krauthammer–one of the finest pundits in the business, in my opinion. His analysis tends to be fact based and on point, unlike so many others.

  250. Mr. Obama:

    I firmly believe that if CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc…etc…etc… had not been paid off by your corrupt election machine, that your polling would be half of what it is. You use the race card on a daily basis to reign in your AA contingent. You oversaturate the airwaves in order to keep your disgustingly subliminal message on point. You have single-handedly sucked out the ethical arm of the DNC through bribery and threats and false promises that I’m sure you have already forgotten. You have taken an honorable public servant: Hillary Clinton and given her a virtual slap in the face for daring to compete with your ignorant self…and then after trashing her policies, stole each and every one for your own. You are not ready to lead. You should never have gotten as far as you have. I doubt very much that even as a community organizer that you achieved any potential worth bragging about.

    It is my fervent hope that this is either a bad nightmare or that you crawl back into the hole you came from. It would be wonderful to have an AA president one day, an Asian American president one day, an Puerto Rico one day, but only if that person has the experience and leadership skills as well as the ethical and moral compass we need. Unfortunately you are not that person and never will be.

  251. moononpluto Says:
    October 16th, 2008 at 8:34 am

    He thinks he’s won already, I think he’s sadly mistaken.

    cbs2chicago.com/local/obama.election.night.2.841341.html
    ******
    saw that on Drudge. I have to wonder if these kinds of stories are meant to psych the young bots out…out of voting! some of the bots I know are already talking that’ll be a landslide win for Obama, so maybe some of those less familiar with elections, first time voters, and the college kids won’t come out to vote.

  252. Idunn Says:
    October 16th, 2008 at 10:30 am
    I struggled with how on earth Big Mac could nail Oliars ass to the wall and NOT look mean and/or desperate. I still don’t know how he managed to pull that off…but pull it off he did. And brilliantly.
    ——————–
    What a difference a soul makes … inner strength, centeredness

  253. My two cents about Hillary. She said she’d stand up for me, if I stood up for her. Guess what? I did. Now, she’s standing up for herself and so am I.

    Have a lost respect for her? Yep. But she has to do what she has to do. I’m not buying into it.

    What irks me most is he’s a fraud.

  254. Joe the Plumber Slams Good Morning America’s Host

    It was becoming apparent she went into the interview with an Agenda (i.e. “There were rumors of you not being registered to vote) He slammed Obama, calling him a socialists and said yes he is registered to vote.

    abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=6047458

  255. I think we can all agree to disagree without calling each other names. All of us here wanted Hillary to be our president. She did make history being the first woman to ever be a viable candidate for president. She brought to the forefront what many of us have secretly known, that sexism and misogyny is alive and well in the USA. She lost the election not because she was a bad candidate but belonged to a bad party. Hillary will forever be in our hearts. She will be in the history books and yes she surely would have been the better president of any choices we have now.
    Hillary would not want us to beat each other up, but to carry the torch further, to change those things we find offensive about our goverment and our lives. When I see her on TV I am saddened by the emptiness I see in her eyes. She made her decision and I respect her. I am not a puppet and Hillary knows that and she also knows that those people that love her and are in her inner circle do not agree with the decision to support BHO either. Now is not the time to question her motives. I suspect she is truly proud that we too stand up for our convictions.

  256. I think what people are reacting to is how Hillarys comments make them feel and those feelings are legitimate because the future of our country is at stake. Recognizing that what I tried to do at 2:48 above was explain that we have to think about what she says now on his behalf in the proper context, how politics works, what big media would do to her if she said what she really thinks and what she has done for us in the past.

    But this is neither a concession nor an affirmative defense. The truth is she is a great leader who finds herself in a difficult set of circumstances. The answer is to neither cave in nor fall on the sword but find the right path through this ordeal with colleagues who cannot always be trusted. There is no playbook for this it is all intuition.

    Her political future as between us vs. the leftists who now control the party will depend on her ability to walk the line between the two properly as big media tries to push her off. If we are defeated by the unthinking portion of the electorate then it will be harder for her to resist the left wing elitist anti middle class agenda which they will bring to the table and the thousand misfortunes that come with it.

    She needs to remain politically viable on the one hand and not lose her voice on the other. Meanwhile, our goal is clear: defeat obama.

  257. shenanigans Says:
    October 16th, 2008 at 11:04 am
    ———————————
    politically naive point of view — shenanigans needs to ponder this from wbboei:

    “…she is a great leader who finds herself in a difficult set of circumstances. The answer is to neither cave in nor fall on the sword but find the right path through this ordeal with colleagues who cannot always be trusted. There is no playbook for this it is all intuition.
    Her political future as between us vs. the leftists who now control the party will depend on her ability to walk the line between the two properly as big media tries to push her off. If we are defeated by the unthinking portion of the electorate then it will be harder for her to resist the left wing elitist anti middle class agenda which they will bring to the table and the thousand misfortunes that come with it.

    She needs to remain politically viable on the one hand and not lose her voice on the other.

  258. from WasLNbutObamaBotskeepstealingmyname at NQ.
    A collection of favorable JM reviews.

    Summary of debate reaction from John McCain’s website:

    ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos: “I think the fact that John McCain was able to make Joe Wurzelbacher a character in this campaign, I’ll bet you we’re going to see him in campaign ads starting tomorrow, shows that, why this was his best debate so far. He was able to set the agenda on a lot of issues like taxes, especially with Joe Wurzelbacher.” (ABC News’ “Vote 08: The Final Debate,” 10/15/08)

    “HUGE Moment For McCain. Slams Obama For Comparing Him To Bush. VERY Savvy. AND, He Looked Directly At Obama.”

    The Washington Post’s Chris Cillizza: “HUGE moment for McCain. Slams Obama for comparing him to Bush. VERY savvy. AND, he looked directly at Obama.” (Chris Cillizza, “The Fix Twitters The Final Debate!”www.washingtonpost.com, 10/15/08)
    Cillizza: “McCain with a break from Bush Administration — ‘disappointed’ with Paulson’s approach on financial crisis.” (Chris Cillizza, “The Fix Twitters The Final Debate!” http://www.washingtonpost.com, 10/15/08)

    Cillizza: “McCain has done well for himself so far — kept Obama on defense.” (Chris Cillizza, “The Fix Twitters The Final Debate!” http://www.washingtonpost.com, 10/15/08)

    The Politico’s Jonathan Martin: “John McCain creates an instant headline with some of his firmest language yet to distance himself from President Bush. ‘Sen. Obama, I am not President Bush,’ McCain said, in a line clearly in his pocket. ‘If you wanted to run against President Bush you should have run four years ago. I will take this country in a new direction.’” (Jonathan Martin, “Your Morning Lede (So Far)” http://www.politico.com, 10/15/08)

    National Review’s Jim Geraghty: “McCain’s best line so far: ‘Senator Obama, I am not President Bush. If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run four years ago.’” (Jim Geraghty, “If You Wanted To Run Against President Bush, You Should Have Run Four Years Ago,” http://www.nationalreview.com, 10/15/08)

    “I Think He Clearly Won It … It Was His Best Performance”

    MSNBC’s Pat Buchanan: “I do believe that this was John McCain’s best campaign. I think he clearly won it on points. It was his best performance. He was intense and ideological and he’s appealing to the base, clearly.”(MSNBC’s “Post Debate Analysis,” 10/15/08)

    Buchanan: “Joe the plumber gives round one to McCain on points!” (Pat Buchanan, “Buchanan And Maddow: Live Debate Commentary,” firstread.msnbc.com, 10/15/08)

    Buchanan: “McCain much more aggressive and specific, and more compassionate on John Lewis, issues of ACORN and Ayer.” (Pat Buchanan, “Buchanan And Maddow: Live Debate Commentary,” firstread.msnbc.com, 10/15/08)

    Los Angeles Times: “McCain again shows that he came into this debate more focused and more disciplined than in the past ones.” (Don Frederick and Kate Linthicum, “Live Blogging The Final Barack Obama And John McCain Debate,”latimesblogs.latimes.com, 10/15/08)

    The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder: “McCain’s doing well on the issues…” (Marc Ambinder, “Live Blogging The Final Debate,” The Atlantic’s “Marc Ambinder” Blog, marcambinder.theatlantic.com, 10/15/08)

    Commentary’s John Podhoretz: “Good zinger from McCain; Obama mentions he wants Warren Buffett to pay more taxes and McCain says we’re talking about Joe the Plumber, not Warren Buffett.” (John Podhoretz, “Warren Buffett Vs. Joe The Plumber,” Commentary’s “Contentions” Blog, http://www.commentarymagazine.com, 10/15/08)

    Commentary’s Jennifer Rubin: “McCain says sure he’s qualified but then points out his record of bad ideas. Digs at his ‘cockamamie’ idea about dividing Iraq. Maybe his best answer.” (Jennifer Rubin, “Joe Biden,” Commentary’s “Contentions” Blog, http://www.commentarymagazine.com, 10/15/08)

    National Review’s Mark R. Levin: “I am impressed with McCain tonight. Obama is off his game, as they say.” (Mark R. Levin, “A Different Debate,” National Review’s “The Corner” Blog, corner.nationalreview.com, 10/15/08)

    Levin: “McCain came ready tonight, he has Obama resorting to his stump speech answers and a bit unnerved, IMHO. And for the most part, he is not letting Obama get away with his endless dissembling.” (Mark R. Levin, “Ready. Set…,” National Review’s “The Corner” Blog, corner.nationalreview.com, 10/15/08)

  259. From waslnbutobamabotskeepstealingmyname at NQ

    Summary of debate reaction from John McCain’s website:

    ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos: “I think the fact that John McCain was able to make Joe Wurzelbacher a character in this campaign, I’ll bet you we’re going to see him in campaign ads starting tomorrow, shows that, why this was his best debate so far. He was able to set the agenda on a lot of issues like taxes, especially with Joe Wurzelbacher.” (ABC News’ “Vote 08: The Final Debate,” 10/15/08)
    “HUGE Moment For McCain. Slams Obama For Comparing Him To Bush. VERY Savvy. AND, He Looked Directly At Obama.”
    The Washington Post’s Chris Cillizza: “HUGE moment for McCain. Slams Obama for comparing him to Bush. VERY savvy. AND, he looked directly at Obama.” (Chris Cillizza, “The Fix Twitters The Final Debate!”www.washingtonpost.com, 10/15/08)
    Cillizza: “McCain with a break from Bush Administration — ‘disappointed’ with Paulson’s approach on financial crisis.” (Chris Cillizza, “The Fix Twitters The Final Debate!”
    Cillizza: “McCain has done well for himself so far — kept Obama on defense.” (Chris Cillizza, “The Fix Twitters The Final Debate
    The Politico’s Jonathan Martin: “John McCain creates an instant headline with some of his firmest language yet to distance himself from President Bush. ‘Sen. Obama, I am not President Bush,’ McCain said, in a line clearly in his pocket. ‘If you wanted to run against President Bush you should have run four years ago. I will take this country in a new direction.’” (Jonathan Martin, “Your Morning Lede (So Far)”
    National Review’s Jim Geraghty: “McCain’s best line so far: ‘Senator Obama, I am not President Bush. If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run four years ago.’” (Jim Geraghty, “If You Wanted To Run Against President Bush, You Should Have Run Four Years Ago,” 10/15/08)
    “I Think He Clearly Won It … It Was His Best Performance”
    MSNBC’s Pat Buchanan: “I do believe that this was John McCain’s best campaign. I think he clearly won it on points. It was his best performance. He was intense and ideological and he’s appealing to the base, clearly.”(MSNBC’s “Post Debate Analysis,” 10/15/08)
    Buchanan: “Joe the plumber gives round one to McCain on points!” (Pat Buchanan, “Buchanan And Maddow: Live Debate Commentary,” firstread.msnbc.com, 10/15/08)
    Buchanan: “McCain much more aggressive and specific, and more compassionate on John Lewis, issues of ACORN and Ayer.” (Pat Buchanan, “Buchanan And Maddow: Live Debate Commentary,” firstread.msnbc.com, 10/15/08)
    Los Angeles Times: “McCain again shows that he came into this debate more focused and more disciplined than in the past ones.” (Don Frederick and Kate Linthicum, “Live Blogging The Final Barack Obama And John McCain Debate,”latimesblogs.latimes.com, 10/15/08)
    The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder: “McCain’s doing well on the issues…” (Marc Ambinder, “Live Blogging The Final Debate,” The Atlantic’s “Marc Ambinder” Blog, marcambinder.theatlantic.com, 10/15/08)
    Commentary’s John Podhoretz: “Good zinger from McCain; Obama mentions he wants Warren Buffett to pay more taxes and McCain says we’re talking about Joe the Plumber, not Warren Buffett.” (John Podhoretz, “Warren Buffett Vs. Joe The Plumber,” Commentary’s “Contentions” Blog,)
    Commentary’s Jennifer Rubin: “McCain says sure he’s qualified but then points out his record of bad ideas. Digs at his ‘cockamamie’ idea about dividing Iraq. Maybe his best answer.” (Jennifer Rubin, “Joe Biden,” Commentary’s “Contentions” Blog,
    National Review’s Mark R. Levin: “I am impressed with McCain tonight. Obama is off his game, as they say.” (Mark R. Levin, “A Different Debate,” National Review’s “The Corner” Blog, corner.nationalreview.com, 10/15/08)
    Levin: “McCain came ready tonight, he has Obama resorting to his stump speech answers and a bit unnerved, IMHO. And for the most part, he is not letting Obama get away with his endless dissembling.” (Mark R. Levin, “Ready. Set…,” National Review’s “The Corner” Blog, corner.nationalreview.com, 10/15/08)

  260. pm317 Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 10:22 am
    freckles, that senator government was a slip up. He inadvertently dropped Obama went to the next word government but corrected himself.

    *****************************************
    “Senator Government” may have been a freudian slip or error on McCain’s part…but it is appropro…Palin should pick up on it…and develop the theme….Senator more Government, more taxes, more control…

    and now our banks our part of the government mix…and who gets what loans, etc

  261. worth the read…tells a lot about viewers/readers

    news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20081015/sc_livescience/americansflunksimple3questionpoliticalsurvey

  262. n EXCELLENT article about the dem strategy and whether it can succeed.

    Bluffing When You Have to Show Your Hand: The Worst Possible Strategy

    http://www.zombietime.com/lefts_big_blunder/

    Shiloh at NQ provided this great link.

    Here’s an encouraging excerpt

    In the majority of strategy games, the most effective plan is to trick your opponent into underestimating you. The goal is to catch them unawares, to spring an attack when they least expect it. But there are exceptions to this rule: in poker, and sometimes in warfare, the most effective strategy can be the reverse — to bluff, which means to trick your opponent into overestimating your strength.

    There’s a catch, however: bluffing only works when the rules of the game allow you to avoid a showdown with your opponent. Imagine, for example, that you were playing a hand of high stakes poker against a skilled opponent. You look at your cards and you see that your hand is not particularly good. Under these circumstances, some professional poker players will bet everything they have, and act confident, in hope of bluffing their opponents into folding. When the opponent folds, there is no final showdown; the player who was bluffing collects the winnings without having to reveal his cards, or, even if he does reveal them, doesn’t actually need to have the better hand. The opponents gave up because they couldn’t take the pressure. But what if the rules of this particular game of poker were changed so that every hand necessarily ended in a showdown: it was not possible to fold, and no matter how much you bluffed, and how much your opponent feared the strength of your hand, you still have to beat his hand at the end of betting. Under these circumstances, bluffing is not only ineffective, it’s absolutely foolish, because you’re risking everything on a group of cards that are not likely to win.

    Similarly, in ancient warfare, if you could convince your opponent that your army was bigger than it really was, you could possibly trick them into surrendering without a fight — a fight you might have actually lost if you had gone to battle.

    Yet presidential elections are not like poker or siege warfare. There is no way to bluff your way to victory. The McCain campaign can’t “fold” or surrender, nor can the actual voting on November 4 be cancelled. No matter how much the Obama supporters inflate their apparent strength, at the end of the day they’re going to have prove it’s true — or lose the election. Because of this, bluffing in a presidential election is the worst possible strategy, because all you’ll end up achieving is to inspire the opposing camp to fight more desperately, since they’ll assume their backs are against the wall. Teddy Roosevelt advised that the best political posture is to “Speak softly and carry a big stick” — but in 2008 the Democrats are yelling at the top of their lungs and carrying only a medium-sized stick.

    *********************
    In 2008 there is no silent majority: there is the silenced majority. The unpolled majority. The media is so pro-Obama that the views and the concerns of McCain supporters are for the most part ignored or, at best, mocked. The goal is to foster disillusionment among them, a sense of isolation. To trick the Republicans into all staying home on election day because “there’s no hope of winning.” Maybe the Democrats can’t avoid a showdown on November 4, but if they can convince enough McCain supporters to individually “fold” and not vote at all, then Obama can carry the day.

  263. lil ole grape? I am not naive. Hillary is a politician. Period. And she’s not running. I don’t believe that she even needs to be discussed unless you are in New York and she’s your senator.

    Romney is not relevant. Huckabee is not relevant. Edwards is not relevant. Dodd is not relevant. Either is Hillary. They all received votes in the primary, as did Hillary. None of them are up for the Presidency right now. If she takes that little wiggle room of “close to zero” and runs, again, she’ll be relevant.

    I’ll take my experiences from the primary and the corruption of the Democrats and cast my vote for McCain. That’s what is relevant for me.

    Now, I’ve respected your opinions and I’d like for you to respect mine and others. We have all worked our asses off for Hillary and I’d appreciate it if you’d stop name calling because we don’t agree with your view. Thank you.

  264. Robert Oppenheimer was in charge of the Los Alamos team who invented the atom bomb. At some point thereafter he became despondent about it and invoked the Hindu legend of the Destroyer of Worlds–the precise name of whom escapes me. I feel the same way about Bambi. We cannot let it happen. I am so glad that the plummer came down the right way. He has more common sense in him than the entire faculty of Harvard Business School.

  265. justmeinmountdorafl Says:

    October 15th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
    I think it’d be the biggest mistake of Obama – wasting his money – do you think people honestly would want to watch 30 minutes of the same old same boring Obama he’s not as exciting anymore
    &&&&&&&&

    I think the idea is to have him give a pre-State of the Union address, essentially.

    “It’s all but wrapped up, I’ll be your next president. Candy and rebates for everyone.”

  266. I can’t wait to see what the silent majority says, they are the ones not being polled and generally are godfearing, republicans, who knows what small towns are going to say but I have a tingle up my leg that says it aint going be good for Obama, remember all those counties Hillary won by a mile and turned blue, that Bambi couldnt win.

  267. McCain can turn this election around if he goes to his strength and that is foreign policy. while we are all sweating the economy, there are still people in the world that would do us harm. He will not win on the economy because Americans are lazy and want the government to fix it…that plays right into the tax and spend liberal extremists hands.

    He could remind us that we are free to think about the economy because our military has our backs. something like that?.? He needs to shift the discussion to all the issues instead of a single one. it’s gonna kill his chances if he doesn’t.

  268. Silenced majority would sit home on election day (as the media and the Obama Dems want) in any other election but this one is different, IMO. This majority is angry and helpless but there is one thing it can do, cast votes. Unlike in other elections, a faction of the Democrats has joined this majority, it is not just the Repubs. Obama is the biggest referendum for any election, we don’t need any other. Watch for this majority to go to the polls in droves.

  269. Ted Nugent’s blog from 10/14…and if you go to the link, he has previous blogs available. Supportive of JM and SP:

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28990

    With Election Day now in sight, John McCain and Sarah Palin need to turn up the heat. Frustrated conservatives are waiting for some spirit and energy.

    This race is far from over. In fact, these final three weeks are the most critical of the campaign.

    What the McCain/Palin ticket needs to do is to genuinely address and capitalize on the tremendous level of disgust, distrust and dissatisfaction of the American people towards our government.

    As I wrote in my new book “Ted, White and Blue,” a May 20, 2008 Rasmussen poll found that 62% of the American public support fewer government services and lower taxes. That’s because ordinary Americans believe what President Reagan believed: government is the problem, not the answer. Remind Americans of this, Senator McCain. The last debate next Wednesday night may be your last chance to connect because they need to see you as a bigger presence, a better choice right up, elbow-to-elbow with Obama.

    Rank and file Americans know that more government meddling ultimately equals more problems. It always has and always will because government is not the social or cultural engine that drives America — capitalism is. Remind us of this. Convince us that you believe it.

    Remind the American public that America didn’t become great because of its government, but rather because of its people. America needs less government, not more. Say this, Senator McCain and Governor Palin, and say it often. Give us some authority. It would be presidential.

    Focus on the economy. Tell the American people that the genesis of the financial quagmire we are in is a direct result of government meddling in the housing market which has led to this disastrous credit crunch. As a result, ordinary Americans who play by the rules are being hurt badly. Tell us this, Senator McCain. Tell us the federal government has no business in the home loan industry and that you will take our economy away from the Treasury Department bureaucrats and give it back to the bankers, stockbrokers and company leaders that have made our economy thrive since Alexander Hamilton served at Treasury.

    Show us that you share our anger, show some passion. Tell the American public that you will do everything in your power to expose the lobbyists and elected officials who caused the problem, how they caused it and why they caused it. Tell us that you will launch an ethics and criminal investigation on the very people who caused this financial meltdown. Americans want accountability. Give it to us. That would be some welcome change.

    We trust freedom, not government: we want our economy back. Yes, let’s punish the crooks and fix the blind government watchdogs. But then, for the sake of our childrens’ future, let’s give free market capitalism back to the capitalists.

    Tell us how you believe in the power of the free market. Tell Americans that capitalism and the free market is the most powerful force on the planet, but that expansive government, more spending and higher taxes smothers entrepreneurship. Tell the American public that America cannot achieve success through more taxes and more government spending.

    We need a leader that at least knows as much as we do. Borrow a page from Speaker of the House Gingrich and list ten things that your administration is going to accomplish. Turn that into a television commercial and run it over and over in the battleground states. Make a big speech on it in a contested state such as Ohio.

    Be specific in the next debate, and tell the American people exactly how you are going to create jobs while cutting government spending. Tell the American public that you plan to cut government spending by 6.5 percent each of the first four years you are president for a real savings of 25 percent. Tell the American public the savings will be returned to us! Tell the American people the era of big government is over.

    As you did in the recent debate, focus on nuclear energy. Our car companies are in the process of researching electrical cars. More nuclear power equals much, much more electricity, which equals cheaper energy. Remind them over and over again that nuclear energy is cheap, efficient, safe and clean. While our nuclear power plants are being built, “drill, baby, drill!”

    Unleash Palin Power in the key battleground states of Florida, Ohio, Missouri and Pennsylvania. Socialists hate her with a passion. That means she’s good — real good.

    In these tumultuous and uncertain times, Americans are looking for a leader with not only a proven past but also one who has a solid vision for the future that does not include more government programs, more spending and more waste.

    What say you, Senator McCain?

  270. pm317 Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
    wbboei, Shiva,

    Brahma (creator), Vishnu (preserver), Shiva (destroyer)
    —————————————-
    Thank you pm317. I knew when I asked that you would know. One of the great civilizations in our world that can teach us much about ourselves and the future.

  271. pm,

    odds that we’d post the same clip at the same time? hehehehe

    BTW,
    Anyone else hear England is investigating a huge terror plot?

  272. Enough of the name-calling. Hillary doesn’t get a pass from me either pertaining to her conduct and undying support for Obama. She seems more concerned about getting and/or keeping Obama’s supporters happy. They are just using her because many of them still can’t stand her. So what is the point. I feel that she has thrown us under the bus. She does need to know that some of her supporters have become disenchanted with her when it comes to Obama.

    That said, I do give her credit for the work that she has done and she is not your typical First Lady.

    But if Sarah Palin is the maverick and reformer that they claim her to be and not afraid to call out her own party, then thumbs up for her!! She will be my hero(ine) if she pulls this off.

    This is my opinion and I stand by it. Not calling anyone out because I actually enjoy reading the various comments.

  273. Please pass this info to Sen. John Mccain campaign. This makes a great point about qualification of a Commander in Chief. They can make an ad like this……

    Topic: A Commander in Chief qualification. He must have a security clearance to access classified information.

    Obama is not qualified to have a security clearance.
    Reasons: 1. Association/friendship with Terrorist (Ayers), Radicals (Wright), and convicted felon (Rezko). 2. Failed to provide an authentic birth certificate. (A suit was filed for this case, Is Obama hiding anything?)

    How can he protect us from terrorism, his friends are terrorists. How can OBAMA be a Commander in Chief, he does not even qualify for a security clearance?

    NO SECURITY CLEARANCE. NOT QUALIFY FOR A COMMANDER IN CHIEF!!!!!!

    NO SECURITY CLEARANCE. NOT QUALIFY FOR A COMMANCER IN CHIEF!!!

  274. Shenanigans … I reread what I wrote in respect to your remark and don’t see that I called you a name. I used the adjective naive to describe your particular point of view on a particular issue involving HRC. I suggested you consider the more politically sophisticated point of view expressed by Wbboei.

    What you said was: “My two cents about Hillary. She said she’d stand up for me, if I stood up for her. Guess what? I did. Now, she’s standing up for herself and so am I.”

  275. Where have you been, dimwit – she HAS made history!
    Your comparing Hillary to a typical abused housewife is a tribute to your stupidity. Typical housewives do not do any of the things she has done in her entire career. They haven’t got the guts and you have no idea at al about what it takes to walk the line she is walking. Grow up! This is a site where Hillary Clinton is intelligently appreciated. If you want to slam her, put on your c*** t-shirt and go join the hate hill club.

    you are, as you call yourself, grape-brained indeed. by your post, you show how stupid and vacuous you are. smart people, like most everyone on this board, would have had the knowledge of history and the intellegence to read between the lines. obviously, that is beyond your grasp. i advice you to read your post and be more insightful. i can explain what i meant to you in so many basic words that you may understand., but, i won’t wase my time. like i said, i don’t take fools kindly.

  276. lil ole grape, you called imagine44 a dimwit.. so let us stop this. imagine44 is a regular and deserves better.

    Yea, some of us are very proud of Hillary and understand why she is doing what she is doing, some of us are frustrated and angry that she is doing what she is doing even after all the way she was treated, some of us are afraid and fear that what she is doing now may actually help the fraud win the election. Nobody is taking away what Hillary did even as they react to day to day events in this horrible election. All I can say is when you post a comment pl. think about how it effects the general mood of this forum.

  277. but, i won’t waste my time. like i said, i don’t take fools kindly.

    we all did what we can, some more than they could afford, for hillary. we do, in our own ways, understand what she is going through because of what was done to her in the primaries. we try to understand what she has to do and explain away the fact that she has to sell obama to those who can’t stomach him. like i said, my 2-cents’…
    opinions matter, and the way you express them shows the kind of person that you are.
    sadly, for little grape, he showed himself to the entire board.

  278. pm317 Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
    wbboei, I only know a few basics…
    —————————————
    pm: whatever you do not know about it, compared to me you are an expert. It is surely worthy of study.

  279. pm….I am well aware that McC didn’t exactly mean to say Sen Government, but it made for the most or secondmost quotable and memorable phrase. I thought it ironic that a slip of the tongue might prove to be the phrase that sticks.

    That was the point of my post.

    I also like the image that came to me to describe O’s campaign — a speeding train, throwing people off if they didn’t sit quietly and sing the hymns — which I named the Socialist Special.

  280. independent2008 Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
    Enough of the name-calling. Hillary doesn’t get a pass from me either pertaining to her conduct and undying support for Obama.

    *********
    Exactly, enough excuse for a politician.

  281. freckles Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 10:14 am
    What is the one line you can’t forget?

    There are two and they’re both McCain’s.

    “I am not George W Bush……..”

    and “Senator Government”!

    A great line…

    —————————————————————————————–

    I am not George w Bush , You should have run against Bush four years ago

  282. geez, I should have refreshed before posting my last comment which I did before I saw imagine44’s comment. Apparently she/he can defend for herself/himself. I want no part of this fight. 🙂

  283. Hillary is supporting her party and in no way Obama…..she is a democrat and that transcends her feelings towards BO….

  284. This was always a site where we respected HRC, studied her superior solutions to problems, etc and it has been a joy to come here. But in the past few weeks, coming here reading one bash after another at HRC, sometimes from the same people pissing and moaning repeatedly is setting my teeth on edge. I tried to ignore it for a long while, but – and listen up, you whiners about your feelings — I too have feelings and it offends me to the soul to see this happening to this otherwise excellent home for Hill lovers and for usually excellent commentary on the events of the day. There are loads of sites where you can go whimper over your wishing HRC to behave the way you think she should. (“Baad Mommie!)
    Hillaryis44 is a refuge for those who are trying to make sense of her situation and, as good friends do for all good friends, stand by her in tough times as we try to expand our comprehension of the current political scene.

  285. lil ole grape Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 10:39 am
    ********************************
    I stand by what I said but you can stop the name calling. I loved Hillary, that is how i found this site, but I FEAR the fraud and her over the top campaigning for him may very well mean the difference. I do no t regret my support and work for her, but I have moved on. I support JM/SP now. They are change i can believing. If you watch the video that Caveto has with the Lady De Forester Rothschild’s and hear Hillary, it seems to me she meant what she was saying and believes she is aligned with the Fraud. That was my take on it, others have their view. I will agree to not say anything about Hillary any further. We are all dealing with her support of the Fraud in different ways.

  286. OMG!
    JM is at a PA rally with Joe libermann, covered on FX, and he ha his mother with hm.
    She is 96 and she is Soooooooo adrable in her powder-blue plaid suit.
    That’ sreally JM’s secret weapon, especially when he tells the story about when she went to France and wanted to rent a car and they told her she was too old so she bought one.
    JM talking about joe-the-plumber being the big winner last night and thew crowd chants Joe! Joe! Joe. JM seems VERY upbeat and confident.

    BTW – in the close-ups last night I really noticed JM’s gorgeous warm brown eyes.

    Now JM talking abut Joe and BO wanting to spread the wealth around. Joe may have a new career. hehehehe

  287. I would say this in support of lil ol grape. I think it is possible to acknowledge the legitimacy of our feelings on the one hand and to understand the political dynamics at work which are not of Hillarys making on the other.

    In my case, the feelings are inescapable. But if I allow passion to become lord of reason, then I will become an unwitting accomplice to the forces who are trying to destroy her. That is not where I want to be. So I think about it in a strategic context and trust her judgment.

    By analogy, if you have ever sat at a poker table when your luck was running cold you do not get too carried away with your betting now do you. You wait for your luck to turn, and then you ante up. At least that is what I do.

  288. Hillary is Hillary. Period. I don’t feel the need to slam her for making her own choices.

    On this, she’s free to go her way, and I’ll go mine. No harm, no foul .

    But that’s just me.

  289. the vice president has to certify the election in the senate… hahaha think Cheney is gonna have his last say if it’s BHO???

    a little history;

    On January 6, 2001, a joint-session of Congress met to certify the electoral vote. Twenty members of the House of Representatives, most of them Democratic members of the Congressional Black Caucus, rose one-by-one to file objections to the electoral votes of Florida. However, according to an 1877 law, any such objection had to be sponsored by both a representative and a senator. No senator would co-sponsor these objections, deferring to the Supreme Court’s ruling. Therefore, Gore, who was presiding in his capacity as President of the Senate, ruled each of these objections out of order.

  290. I just heard Murtha apologized for calling western PA racist.

    I despise people who throw out the “racist charge” like it means nothing, and then offer up an apology as if THAT magically makes it all better!

    As a woman of color, may I just say…YOU ASSHOLES AREN’T HELPING THE CAUSE!!

  291. JM is on fire in PA!

    Anyone else notice how supportive, relaxed and friendly Cindy always looks?

    He’s got Lieberman, Cindy and his mom behind him and everyone seems so positive and happy.

    😀

  292. Would someone who has been following this explain it to me.

    An Obama spokeswoman came on Tv this morning to answer about ACORN. She said that Obama represented them ages ago “alongside the Fed government” to get a motor-voter bill passed. He has had nothing to do with them since and the O campaign has had nothing to do with them. When asked about the $800,000 O paid ACORN she said, “that was in the primary and has nothing to do with this”. She then said it wasn’t to register voters — the O campaign does their own registration.

    What exactly was it then? $800,000 for what? $10 for every time you vote? 🙂

  293. It breaks my heart that Hillary is campaigning for this loser. That being said, I will always admire her strengths and her accomplishments. It’s just that ever since someone lit a match to this issue, anger has brewed for some of us. I realize there are those who don’t agree with me and have lost faith in Hillary and that is fine. I think we can all agree to disagree and leave it at that.

  294. the O campaign does their own registration.

    research Democratic GAIN, Grassroots, Inc., and Democracy for America

  295. well, at least Murtha apologized.

    John Lewis hasn’t said a word about comparing JM to Wallace and BO didn’t say anything either.

  296. which I named the Socialist Special.
    —————————————-
    Or perhaps the UnAmerican Flyer.

    (The American Flyer was a model train. Roseanne Cash had a song about it a few years ago.

    Can you imagine Bambi in the front seat with an engineers hat, with that big shit eating grin of his, speeding over a high mountain tresltle bridge which is about to collapse, while legions of bots on board wave shoot up and wave briskly to the mountain goats).

  297. regarding Acorn, Obama is a fucking liar (pardon the french).

    He was the Illinois director of Project Vote…an arm of Acorn.

    No, he didn’t work as a trainer for Acorn in the sense that he got PAID…he trained them free of charge.

    He served on the Wood Fund, along with Bill Ayers and they funneled boat loads of cash to Acorn.

    He served on the Annenberg Challenge, along with Ayers and they too funneled boat loads of cash to Acorn.

    The $800,000 the Obama campaign funnled to an Acorn fron operation called Citzen Services Inc, was supposedly spent for lightening equiptment. What’s the problem with that? Citizen Inc doesn’t DO lighting. it was nothing more than a way to pay off Acorn without being caught. Except…thanks to bloggers, he WAS caught. The FEC nailed him on it, Oliar claimed it was a “techincal error”, and once again, Oliar gets off scot free.

  298. Obama Hasn’t Closed the Sale:

    online.wsj.com/article/SB122411909182439021.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_mostpop

  299. I see some headlines on Yahoo.com and politico.com:

    Obama wins by a hair

    McCain Fails, Obama not rattled

    Obama warns supporters of overconfidence – his supporters feel that the election is in the bag. Obama reminds them: Remember New Hampshire. I was to have won New Hampshire.

    What do you guys think of this?

  300. A Flip-Flopping President Could Cost US Abroad
    online.wsj.com/article/SB122412020681039131.html
    —————-
    significant point especially now when “abroad” is looking at US now as no longer top world power because of failed economic policies… Meanwhile Dems are still insisting that O is the one to better our relations abroad.

  301. THE END OF ARROGANCE
    America Loses Its Dominant Economic Role
    By SPIEGEL Staff spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,581502,00.html

  302. IDunn…..Thanks for filling in the blanks. They paid $800,000 for lighting equipment? What did they light? I guess it was the Cowboys’ stadium which was when they signed up the players.

  303. blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/obamas_political_action_commit_1.html

    Obama’s political action committee HOPEFUND quarterly report

    By
    Lynn Sweet
    on October 16, 2008 1:22 AM | Permalink | Comments (1)
    NEW YORK–Barack Obama never dissolved his HOPEFUND political action committee–which during its heyday took contributions from lobbyists; the quarterly report filed on Wednesday shows a small Obama presidential campaign debt.

    Ad only had 1 comment
    David Axelrod keeps telling the American people that Obama has no connections with lobbyists and accepts no campaign contributions from lobbyists now we discover that is not the truth.
    I wish the media had done it’s function and had reported on this earlier!

  304. Idunn Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
    If I’m not mistaken the phrase “silent majority” was coined by Nixon.
    &&&&&&&&&

    I thought it meant “most of the mute people”.

    sorry, bad joke. Please, let the castigations begin.

  305. This is Heidi Li’s take on the Roe/Wade part of the debate:

    “If it is so essential to elect Senator Obama for the sake of Roe v. Wade, then Senator Obama should have a litmus test on this issue. Senator McCain makes a good point when he says he voted for Ruth Bader Ginsberg as proof that he does not have a litmus test on the Roe question. But as a Republican whose party is not committed to the upholding of Roe v. Wade, whether or not Senator McCain would make upholding Roe a litmus test does not particularly matter. What does matter is that Senator Obama, whose party is committed to upholding Roe, refused to commit to treating that as a make or break issue when it would come to his judicial appointments.
    And another thing: why does Senator Obama think that women need to consult with doctors, families, and religious advisers when deciding what to do with their own bodies? I have no objection to anybody consulting with anybody about any decision, but Senator Obama’s committee of consultants approach suggests that once again he misses the point when it comes to women’s empowerment. Would Senator Obama imply that men who decide to have vasectomies should make that decision in consultation with their families, their doctors and their religious advisers? I doubt it. I am sure that many men who debate having a vasectomy do in fact consult various people. But the double standard that is in play here is one that says when women decide what to do with their bodies it is of course a community decision, with a particular role for religious advisers but when men decide what to do with their bodies and their reproductive choices there is no presumption of community involvement. Similarly, would Senator Obama suggest that before consenting adults choose to use birth control (the subject of an important Supreme Court precedent leading up to Roe v. Wade) they ought to be consulting their families, doctors, and religious advisers?
    Senator Obama may claim to believe in a right of privacy, but his understanding of privacy, at least when it comes to a woman’s approach to deciding how to allow her body to be used and treated is stunted. A full-blown right to privacy is rooted in autonomy, agency over one’s choices. The right to decide how to use your body or to permit others to use it could not be more essential to individual autonomy.
    Meanwhile, Senator Obama who thinks Roe v. Wade – which at this point is something of a red herring when it comes to the de facto ability of women to obtain safe and legal abortions in the U.S. – “hangs in the balance” has now publicly announced that he would not insist that his appointees commit to upholding Roe v. Wade.
    So now, can we at least agree that whatever the de facto impact of Roe is at this point, Senator Obama and his surrogates simply cannot claim with a straight face that an Obama presidency is essential to the future of Roe?

  306. basil9 Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
    I just heard Murtha apologized for calling western PA racist.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    Without knowing how much he really feels sorry, I’ll just say that Murtha’s apology is for John Murtha’s benefit, not to the people to whom he is apologizing, and whom he just insulted a day or so ago. How do you get re-elected by a populace that you lobbed such toxifying insults at?

  307. That is an amazing article in Speigel my favorite publication in the world. There is alot of truth in it and it makes no bones about who is at fault. But the indictment is underinclusive because the Democratic Party elites are in pare delicto–equally guilty. If the mortage crisis was the catalyst then Bambi and his entourage are the real culprits. They told us all was well while Rome was beginning to burn.

  308. significant point especially now when “abroad” is looking at US now as no longer top world power because of failed economic policies… Meanwhile Dems are still insisting that O is the one to better our relations abroad.
    ——————————————–
    Yes, he will better our relations abroad. By selling the middle class down the river. That is what voters need to understand. His loyalty is not to us. Never has been. Never will be.

  309. Joe the plumber was for the most part a plus for McCain

    BM didn’t like it so what did they do…they took Joe apart for the world to see….

    thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/16/joe-in-the-spotlight/

  310. Question for independents who are considering bambi: DOES THE TRUTH MATTER TO YOU? IF SO, THEN YOU NEED TO KNOW HE LIES RECKLESSLY AND OFTEN.

  311. debbie Says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
    new GOP ad
    &&&&&&&&&&

    Excellent. The inexperience angle is definitely one of the more prominent of his glaring weaknesses.

    There are so many to choose from:

    Inexperienced
    Partisan
    Untrustworthy
    Misogynistic
    Shady friends only discarded when it’s getting hot in there
    voter manipulation
    voter intimidation
    Indecisive / flip-floppy

    You know the drill.

  312. Since the days she was in the Nixon White House Dianne Sawyer has been hard to watch. Harder yet to understand. I was under the impression before she tried to get herself unconfused that he was talking about buying a small business with revenues of 250 k which would yield maybe 100k after expenses plus all the business risks that entails. Her line of questioning made it look like he was offering a defense for billionaires, and is generally opposed to taxation. If she has unconfused you then shalom.

  313. No link for this, but NY Times has the schedule for the Fearsome Foursome (BO, JB, JM, SP), and it appears Mr. Biden needs a rest: “No public events”.

    Or maybe he’s doing private fundraisers.

    Obama will stay in one town in NH, Londonderry.

    Team McCain, on the other hand, is on the move:
    JM Downingtown PA, and NY
    SP Bangor, ME, and Elon and Greensboro, NC.

    Oh, yeah, JM will be on Letterman tonight.

  314. Forgive me if this was posted before:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/10/roundtable_on_mccain_rep_lewis.html

    October 14, 2008
    Roundtable on McCain, Rep. Lewis and Race
    FOX News Special Report With Brit Hume

    HUME: The panel is going to join us in just a moment to talk about what has become a heated issue in this campaign.

    But before we start that, let’s take a look at this. This is from John Lewis, the congressman from Georgia who was a prominent member of the civil rights leadership at one time-

    “Senator McCain and Governor Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse.

    There was a Governor of the state of Alabama, George Wallace. He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who only desired to exercise their constitutional rights.”

    This is what Senator McCain said in response to that.

    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

    SEN. JOHN MCCAIN, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And Senator Obama refuses or has not jet repudiated those comments.

    That’s not from some, quote, “party official.” That’s from one of the most respected people in America.

    It’s unfair. It’s unfair, and it’s outrageous.

    (END VIDEO CLIP)

    HUME: Some thoughts on this controversy now from Fred Barnes, Executive Editor of “The Weekly Standard,” Mara Liasson, National Political Correspondent of National Public Radio, and syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer, FOX News contributors all.

    John Lewis has since said that, “Gee, you know, I really wasn’t trying to link Senator McCain and Governor Palin to George Wallace.” Fred, what about it?

    FRED BARNES, EXECUTIVE EDITOR, “THE WEEKLY STANDARD”: It certainly sounded like he was. He said what they were doing, and the he goes right to George Wallace and what George Wallace did.

    The truth is the race card is being played in this campaign. It is being played by people like John Lewis. It was played yesterday by Joe Biden, where Biden said, you know, the charges against Obama are unhealthy. You don’t throw race and terrorism into the presidential campaign.

    Well, I don’t believe McCain or Palin has thrown race into the campaign. But the other way of playing the race card is to accuse somebody of doing that. Barack Obama has repeatedly accused the McCain campaign of making a big deal, reminding people that he’s an African-American and so on.

    I mean, we have been through this a long time in the campaign. Brit, normally what you do in a campaign with your opponent, you say “Here is what he says, here is what he has done.”

    Here is Barack Obama. He said he’s going to bring us together, he’s a moderate. But here is what he has done. He has spent a lot of time or some time working with this guy who is an unrepentant terrorist, Bill Ayers.

    And this is what you do in any campaign. The difference in this campaign is that all of a sudden when the McCain campaign does that, they’re accused of being racist, that somehow it’s a racist attack when– and it’s a way to discredit the attack. And you know what? It has worked pretty well with the media, because they buy into this thing.

    MARA LIASSON, NATIONAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT, NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO: Look, race is never going to be far away from a campaign where there is an African-American running for president. I think the big question is to what extent is John McCain himself or his campaign involved in this?

    HUME: You mean in trying to-

    LIASSON: I mean, there are bloggers and supporters of McCain–

    HUME: I understand that, but what about the McCain-Palin campaign, which is what John Lewis was talking about?

    LIASSON: I think John Lewis went too far and tried to walk back his remarks.

    The Obama campaign issued a statement right after Lewis issued his statement saying that they don’t think McCain or Palin are in any way, shape, or form like George Wallace.

    McCain himself when he has encountered anything like this in a crowd or town meeting, he has tried to walk it back and talked about how you should be respectful. We don’t know whether Sarah Palin actually heard some of the things that were shouted at one of her rallies in Florida.

    I do think it is incumbent upon candidates if someone in the crowd shouts something that is racist and they hear it. They should say something about it right then and there if not shortly thereafter.

    I think McCain has tried to be really careful here. One of the things he has done, to the great frustration of his campaign, is that he has ruled Reverend Wright off limits.

    He might have done that because he feels he already laid down the marker in the primary or because he’s afraid of being called a racist, but here are a lot of members of the McCain campaign that think it is a legitimate attack, and they are barred from doing it.

    HUME: It does raise an interesting question why it would be racist to bring up Reverend Wright? Reverend Wright is black and Barack Obama is black. Why would that be racist?

    LIASSON: I don’t think it would.

    If you’re going to play the guilt by association card, which he is with Ayers, why not Wright who has a longer association and a more intimate one with Obama? But he has ruled that out of bounds.

    CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: When John McCain runs an ad with a white woman, Paris Hilton in it, he is accused of racism. He runs an ad with Franklin Raines, the former head of Fannie Mae in it, who is African-American, and that’s racist. And then he runs an ad with William Ayers, who is a white male in it, and that’s racist.

    If it weren’t so comical, these promiscuous accusations of racism, it would be tragic.

    The Obama campaign has been playing the race card over and over again. Look, this is a campaign that in the primaries succeeded in painting Bill Clinton as a racist.

    Now, Clinton, with all of his flaws, this is a man who throughout his career from Governor of Arkansas to president of the United States and beyond, has been a great and sincere friend of African-Americans who shared and tried to advance their aspirations. So if you can pull off a trick like that on Bill Clinton, you can pull it off on Republicans.

    And look what Obama has said. He’s the one who raised the Barack Hussein Obama a year or two ago in which he said the Hussein is actually an asset and would be an asset in dealing with Muslims abroad.

    He’s the one who openly said that the Republicans will say I’m black, they will say he’s scary. They will say he’s different. They will say he doesn’t look like the guy on the dollar bill.

    That is Obama preemptively accusing McCain of racism, which is a scurrilous charge. Racism is a serious charge in our country, and a false accusation is doubly serious. As we saw in the Duke lacrosse case, it can destroy lives. Given our history, it ought to be used with great care.

    And to accuse preemptively McCain of racism even before there is any evidence of it, and there has not been any evidence of it before or since, is scurrilous.

    They say patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. Accusations of racism is the last refuge of the liberal scoundrel, and it has been used again and again on the part of the Obama campaign.

    BARNES: That’s because it works. It’s another tactic–

    HUME: I guess you have to wonder if that isn’t what McCain is afraid of by refusing to bring up Reverend Wright, as Mara suggests.

    BARNES: Right, because when they use it, it neutralizes an attack, and then you don’t have to answer it.

  315. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvROBLortBQ

    ObamaAyers
    Check out 4:25, 4:39, 4:46, 4:59 and 5:11 in the video.

    CNN: OBAMA LIED ON AYERS TIES
    CNN on Obama and the Bomber
    By Charlie Sykes
    Story Created: Oct 7, 2008

    CNN looks at the Obama-Ayers ties and concludes it was much broader and deeper than The One would have you

  316. pawatercooler.com/?p=7645
    Murtha Cancels Debate October 16 2008

    On the heels of calling his constituents racists, Congressman Jack Murtha (D-Porksylvania) has cancelled his debate with Bill Russell.
    Email from Peg Luksik, campaign manager for Bill Russell.
    SURPRISE!! SURPRISE!!
    tonight’s debate has been cancelled. Apparently, Mr. Murtha does not want to face his constituents, but is okay with calling them racists.
    Feel free to call EVERY news outlet/talk show/ blog you can think of and scream about this latest example of his unwillingness to even pay attention to his constituents.
    Update: Bill Russell responding yesterday
    [Russell said] Murtha was using the prestige and platform of public office to make wild, reckless statements about the people he represents.
    Russell added that just because the people in Western Pennsylvania aren’t embracing Obama’s values and positions on issues like life, taxes and the Second Amendment doesn’t makes us racist.
    “That’s the cheapest of cheap shots.”
    Update: Another email from Peg about 3Q FEC reports…
    Bill Russell is the TOP FUNDRAISER in the state of Pennsylvania, raising more than double the nearest candidate.
    Bill reports raising over $1,590,000
    John Murtha raised $472,000+ in the same period.
    That means that the Russell Brigade has outraised our opponent by a margin of more than 3 to 1!!!!!!!

  317. {{{ hugs grape and wbboei }}}

    Smart successful people like Hilary have multiple reasons for every action. That is, they choose the action that serves multiple purposes (including, perhaps, self-defense).

    She has much information that we don’t.

    We can’t judge her on this. But we don’t have to settle on any particular theory about it either.

    (Personallly I just don’t watch.)

  318. http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/Secret_Service_says_Kill_him_allegation_unfounded_.html
    Comment box at bottom. No login EASY, GOOD INFO!

    Agent Bill Slavoski said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers and not one heard the comment.
    ….
    He said the agency conducted an investigation Wednesday, after seeing the story, and could not find one person to corroborate the allegation other than Singleton.

    Slavoski said more than 20 non-security agents were interviewed Wednesday, from news media to ordinary citizens in attendance at the rally for the Republican vice presidential candidate held at the Riverfront Sports Complex. He said Singleton [the reporter who made the clalim] was the only one to say he heard someone yell “kill him.”

    “We have yet to find someone to back up the story,” Slavoski said. “We had people all over and we have yet to find anyone who said they heard it.”
    ….
    Slavoski said Singleton was interviewed Wednesday and stood by his story but couldn’t give a description of the man because he didn’t see him he only heard him.

  319. wbboei,

    I cracked up at your little scenario of bambi on the “UnAmerican Flyer”. I love your little spoofs.

  320. Bluegirl: heres looking at you kid

    FLASH!!!!! (Developing Story): according to Ariana Huffinton, Joe the plummer is not only related to charles keating–he IS Charles Keating.

    Yes thanks to the miracles of modern science after Keating died his body was separated from his head in a procedure called neuroseparation.

    After the operation was completed Keating’s head and body were preserved separately. The head was stored in a steel can filled with liquid nitrogen. It was shaved, drilled with holes and accidentally cracked 10 times. Keatings body stood upright in a 9-foot tall cylindrical steel tank, also filled with liquid nitrogen.

    A handsome critter he was he was. But a little cold. You might even say icy. But given the circumstances it was understandable.

    Recently, the evil genuius Karl Rove broke into the vault where Keatings remains were stored. He lit a bunson burner, melted the ice, sewed the head back on the body, applied cpr and low and behold Keatings eyes opened. On the seventh day Karl rested.

    Then Karl summoned Nancy Pelosis taxadermist to the operating room. The taxidermist proceeded to touch up the former corpse and give him that look of youthful vitality.

    Then he brought in some of Obamas former friends to give him copius doses of vitamin c in a spoon lit over the same bunson gurner. He was given a full week at the health spa for AIG officers paid for with taxpayer financed bail out.

    Lo and behold Joe the Plummer.

    Thanks Ariana for one more example of fantasy island news coverage you are famous for. Perhaps you should try the same procedure yourself. In the meantime try to stick to the facts and stop insulting your readers.

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