McCain’s Angry Crowds

Big Media is pushing the narrative that the crowds at John McCain’s rallies are angry and getting angrier as a final act of desperation. But that is not why McCain rally attendees are angry.

The anger displayed at the McCain rallies is the same anger and for the same reason that could be seen at Hillary rallies during the primaries. Recall that pedestrian statements by Bill Clinton were labeled “racist” and Bill Clinton himself was attacked as a “racist”.

The anger comes from the blatant display of Big Media bias in favor of Obama. The anger comes from the shouts of “racist” at any criticism of Obama. The anger comes from the many unanswered and often simply unasked questions about Barack Obama. The anger comes because voters are aware of the Obama/Big Media bamboozlement and protection and voters expect John McCain, as in any political campaign, to raise the questions and demand the answers regardless of Obama/Big Media/Dimocrats false charges.

The “angry crowds” story is best exemplified by this CBS News report:

There were shouts of “Nobama” and “Socialist” at the mention of the Democratic presidential nominee. There were boos, middle fingers turned up and thumbs turned down as a media caravan moved through the crowd Thursday for a midday town hall gathering featuring John McCain and Sarah Palin.

“It is absolutely vital that you take it to Obama, that you hit him where it hits, there’s a soft spot,” said James T. Harris, a local radio talk show host, who urged the Republican nominee to use Barack Obama’s controversial former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., and others against him.

“We have the good Reverend Wright. We have [the Rev. Michael L.] Pfleger. We have all of these shady characters that have surrounded him,” Harris bellowed. “We have corruption here in Wisconsin and voting across the nation. I am begging you, sir. I am begging you. Take it to him.”

The crowd of thousands roared its approval.

After the setup, CBS News introduced their “analysis”:

In recent days, a campaign that embraced the mantra of “Country First” but is flagging in the polls and scrambling for a way to close the gap as the nation’s economy slides into shambles has found itself at the center of an outpouring of raw emotion rare in a presidential race.

“There’s 26 days and people are looking at the very serious possibility that there’s a chance that Obama might get in, and they don’t like that,” said Ian Eltrich, 28, as he filed out of the crowded sports complex.

“I’m mad! I’m really mad!” another man said, taking the microphone and refusing to surrender it easily, even when McCain tried to agree with him.

“I’m not done. Lemme finish, please,” he said after a standing ovation. “When you have Obama, [House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi and the rest of the hooligans up there going to run the country, we have to have our head examined.

It’s time that you two represent the rest of us. So go get ’em.”

The crowd burst into loud chants of “U-S-A! U-S-A!”

In attempting to show how “mad” the McCain crowds are, “mad” in the over-the-edge insane sense, the CBS report actually gets to the central point for the anger:

“No, I’m not mad, I’m pissed,” said Joan Schmitz, who owns a plumbing company here. She said she was frustrated with polls showing Obama surging, McCain’s performance in a Tuesday night debate, Obama himself, the media, and the liberal group ACORN, which she said was registering voters fraudulently.

Noting Obama’s connections with Ayers, she said that “if it was a Republican, it would be nonstop,” referring to what she said was the media ignoring the controversial acquaintance.

“I can’t stand to look at him, I don’t trust him. I don’t like the circle of friends he keeps, I don’t like his policies,” Schmitz said of Obama. “I’m pissed off by it. I’m beyond mad. How is he climbing up in the polls?”

On the way into the event, the Republican Party of Wisconsin handed out fliers reading “Your Vote Is Being Stolen,” an anti-ACORN leaflet that concluded, “Why is vote fraud allowed? Vote fraud is allowed since it benefits Democrats.”

The crowd showed equal disdain for the media, fueled by comments from Palin, who encouraged the Republican supporters to take the campaign’s message around the media. “I can’t pick a fight with those who buy ink by the barrel,” she said. “It’s dangerous territory whenever I suggest the mainstream media isn’t asking all the questions.”

In a nutshell:

“It’s not anger at all. It’s frustration. There’s millions of people around the country that think like we do. You guys refuse to acknowledge that, and you insult our intelligence by misreporting the information. You are treating [Obama] like he’s Britney Spears and covering him like he’s Paris Hilton, instead of the next president of the United States, potentially.”

John McCain, instead of demanding answers, instead of fighting, is apologizing.

McCain advisers dismissed the crowd’s angry tone as an exception and not representative of most of the campaign’s events. And they noted that those gathered seemed most upset by the media’s handling of the contest, and simply wanted McCain to be more aggressive.

The CBS report concludes with a quick review of all the vitriol and attacks, by protestors, at McCain rallies and finally includes the Obama instruction to his supporters: “I want you to argue with them and get in their face.”

McCain’s “Angry Crowds” are angry because there are so many unanswered and even unasked questions about Barack Obama and because in many cases Obama/Big Media attack when the possibility merely arises that questions might be raised:

Team Obama has launched an offensive against WGN, the Chicago Tribune’s radio station, for interviewing Stanley Kurtz. Mr. Kurtz is a conservative writer who this week forced the University of Illinois to finally open its records on Sen. Obama’s association with William Ayers, the unrepentant 1970s Weather Underground terrorist. [snip]

Separately, Mr. Obama’s lawyers have also demanded that the Justice Department prosecute an organization called the American Issues Project for running an ad about ties between their candidate and Mr. Ayers. [snip]

They’re terrified of people poking around Obama’s life,” one reporter told Gabriel Sherman at the New Republic. “The whole Obama narrative is built around the narrative that Obama and [campaign strategist] David Axelrod built, and, like all stories, it’s not entirely true.” The stakes are high. If the full story of Mr. Obama’s relationship with Rev. Jeremiah Wright had been revealed before the Iowa caucus, he wouldn’t have won. [snip]

Chasing the rest of Mr. Obama’s paper trail is often an exercise in frustration. Mr. Obama says his state senate records “could have been thrown out” and he didn’t keep a schedule in office. No one appears to have kept a copy of his application for the Illinois Bar. He has released only a single page of medical records, versus 1,000 pages for John McCain. [snip]

Rezko’s trial raised a host of questions. Was Mr. Obama able to save $300,000 on the asking price of his house because Rezko’s wife paid full price for the adjoining lot? How did Mrs. Rezko make a $125,000 down payment and obtain a $500,000 mortgage when financial records shown at the Rezko trial indicate she had a salary of only $37,000 and assets of $35,000? Records show her husband also had few assets at the time.

Last April, the London Times revealed that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born billionaire living in London, had loaned Mr. Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before the day the sale of the house and lot closed in June 2005. Mr. Auchi’s office notes he was a business partner of Rezko but says he had “no involvement in or knowledge of” the property sale. But in April 2004 he did attend a dinner party in his honor at Rezko’s Chicago home. Mr. Obama also attended, and according to one guest, toasted Mr. Auchi. Later that year, Mr. Auchi came under criminal investigation as part of a U.S. probe of the corrupt issuance of cell-phone licenses in Iraq.

In May 2004, the Pentagon’s inspector general’s office cited “significant and credible evidence” of involvement by Mr. Auchi’s companies in the Oil for Food scandal, and in illicit smuggling of weapons to Saddam Hussein’s regime. Because of the criminal probe, Mr. Auchi’s travel visa to the U.S. was revoked in August 2004, even as Mr. Auchi denied all the allegations. According to prosecutors, in November 2005 Rezko was able to get two government officials from Illinois to appeal to the State Department to get the visa restored. Asked if anyone in his office was involved in such an appeal, Mr. Obama told the Chicago Sun-Times last March, “not that I know of.” FOIA requests to the State Department for any documents haven’t been responded to for months. [snip]

Some inquiries could be cleared up if the Obama campaign were forthcoming with key documents. Mr. Obama claims that in buying his house in 2005 he got a low mortgage rate from Northern Trust bank because another bank made a competitive bid for his business, but his campaign won’t reveal from which bank. While he has released 94 pages of documents relating to the Rezko sale, they don’t include the single most important one — the settlement statement that shows the complete flow of funds that were part of the house sale. When asked why that last key document isn’t being released, the Obama campaign issued a boilerplate statement saying, “we have released documents that reflect every one of the final terms of the senator’s purchase of the home.” But key data are still being withheld.

The Obama campaign didn’t hesitate to criticize Hillary Clinton for not revealing the names of donors to the Clinton Library, or John McCain for releasing only two years of tax returns as opposed to Mr. Obama’s 10 years. Those were proper questions. But so too are requests for information from Mr. Obama, a man whose sudden rise and incompletely reported past makes him among the least-vetted of presidential nominees.

Even now, instead of responding affirmatively by producing a valid birth certificate along with a motion for summary judgement to end a court case seeking production of the valid birth certificate Obama hides behind various motions which raise suspicions further. This type of lack of candor by Obama and McCain’s apologetic bowing is why Americans attending McCain rallies are angry.

In Obama vs. Free Speech Michael Barone restates the obvious.

“I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors,” Barack Obama told a crowd in Elko, Nev. “I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face.” Actually, Obama supporters are doing a lot more than getting into people’s faces. They seem determined to shut people up.

That’s what Obama supporters, alerted by campaign emails, did when conservative Stanley Kurtz appeared on Milt Rosenberg’s WGN radio program in Chicago. Kurtz had been researching Obama’s relationship with unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers in Chicago Annenberg Challenge papers in the Richard J. Daley Library in Chicago — papers that were closed off to him for some days, apparently at the behest of Obama supporters.

Obama fans jammed WGN’s phone lines and sent in hundreds of protest emails. The message was clear to anyone who would follow Rosenberg’s example. We will make trouble for you if you let anyone make the case against The One.

Americans want answers from Obama and McCain is apologizing for Obama – a formula for anger.

Governor Sarah Palin, unlike Obama is not only vetted but is trashed and there is nary a complaint.

Liberal Bloggers Questioned Whether Governor Palin’s Fifth Child Was Actually Bristol Palin’s Child; CNN’s John Roberts Questioned Whether Governor Palin Would Be Able To Care For A Child With Down Syndrome As Vice President; The Washington Post’s Sally Quinn Questioned Whether A Woman With Five Children And One Having Down Syndrome Would Be Able To Make Her Family A Priority If She Were Vice President; On MSNBC, Headlines Beneath The Live Coverage Included “SOME WORKING MOTHERS WORRY THAT PALIN IS TAKING ON TOO MUCH” And “SOME VOTERS CONCERNED IF PALIN, A MOTHER OF FIVE HAS TIME TO BE VP.” “Two recent headlines underneath the talking heads at MSNBC:’SOME WORKING MOTHERS WORRY THAT PALIN IS TAKING ON TOO MUCH.’ Moments later, it changed to, ‘SOME VOTERS CONCERNED IF PALIN, A MOTHER OF FIVE HAS TIME TO BE VP.’; Rep. Robert Wexler (D-FL) Said That Governor Palin Was A Supporter Of Pat Buchanan Who He Called A “Nazi Sympathizer.” ; “The Obama Campaign Linked Governor Palin As A Supporter Of Pat Buchanan Who They Called A “Nazi Sympathizer.”; In Toledo, OH, Sen. Joe Biden Said One Of The Differences Between Him And Governor Palin Was “She’s Good Looking.”; and Liberal Radio Host Ed Schultz Said That Governor Palin Was An “Empty Pantsuit” Who Had Started A “Bimbo Alert.” and Liberal radio host Ed Schultz was telling listeners Monday that Palin was an ’empty pantsuit’ who had set off a ‘bimbo alert.'”

Attacks on Governor Palin echo attacks on Hillary Clinton and Dimocrats and other Obama supporters (like Big Media) remain silent – a formula for anger.

If McCain and Big Media want to quiet the anger that will not go away they had better stop apologizing.

If McCain and Big Media want to quiet the anger that will not go away they had better start asking questions to Obama.

If McCain and Big Media want to quiet the anger that will not go away they had better start getting some answers from Obama.

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474 thoughts on “McCain’s Angry Crowds

  1. I’m angry because I’ve had 8 years of a horrible President. Now another 4 years of a horrible President?

    I never thought I’d see the day when America became a former superpower. Bush has taken the U.S. from a global superpower to a second rate power with no more influence than England. What will we be when Obama gets finished — a colony? You’re god damn right I’m angry.

  2. In fact thats not a bad ad they could do.

    “in 4 years time with Obama, you’ll be the USSA, Welcome to The United Socialist States of America”.

  3. Thank you admin!

    It’s so frustrating to watch the media wield it’s corrupt power…all for the idiot. They are doing their best to change the message and cut McCain’s truth squad off at the knees.

  4. Admin, those last three sentences, are right on. We are angry, We are angry, We angry.

    Few signs are out, few buttons are being warned. American is seathing inside, and they will let us know on election day exactly how they fee.

    STOP APOLOGIZING, START ASKING QUESTIONS OF OBAMA, START INSISTING ON ANSWERS FROM OBAMA.

  5. I don’t know what to say.
    I don’t know why JM is wimping out.
    I just don’t get it.
    Meanwhile the anger simmers and is close to boiing over and I say hell yeah. if the only thing that gets results is threats of riots why not from our side as well?
    TTTT, I’m mad and scared and I’m going for my pistol permit next week. i am serious about that. I’m also gonna get a safe, just in case.

  6. The MSM is like turkeys voting for thanksgiving. They obviously don’t get that under Obama they’ll be run like Russia running Pravda or Eva Peron and her “media truth”

  7. Hiya moon. You can always call me your sweetie. 😉
    Here’s a repost from a message i left you on the other thread.

    at 8:42 pm

    moonpluto,
    You left out the best part!
    so here it is.

    n the most commonly-purveyed version of the rumour, she was ‘exiled’ to a Caribbean island because Michelle Obama objected to her job on the 2004 campaign.

    A lawyer representing the woman said: ‘Although her duties on the [2004] campaign changed over time, there was never any hint that Mrs Obama had any concerns about her relationship with the Senator or played any role in recommending a change in her duties.’

    According to our investigation into the rumours, they originated with political veterans who claim to be loyal Democrats.

    They have tried to persuade reporters that they have the woman’s interests at heart.

    One of the sources who has been circulating the rumours admitted never meeting the woman but claimed he has spoken to ‘a group of African American’ women who are
    her friends and believe she was mistreated.

    Denial: The woman, whose identity we have protected, rejected the claims

    ‘They said she was removed from her position and the political scene because Michelle got wind of the fact that she had a close friendship with her husband,’ the source said. ‘She disappeared, then she reappeared in the Caribbean.’

    The Mail on Sunday located the woman in the Caribbean, where she now works. She denied that Mrs Obama had raised any objections to her job on the 2004 campaign.

  8. Basil,

    I don’t think McCain is whimping out. I think he is playing Obama.

    I don’t think Hillary is a part of the conspiracy either.

  9. Now we know Basil why this could explain Michelle was pissed and disappeared for a while. There was one point where you could see something going on between them.

  10. Palin Drops Puck at Flyer’s Game Receives Mixed Reaction
    by Shushannah Walshe
    PHILADELPHIA –-

    Sarah Palin has become known as “The Most Famous Hockey Mom in America” for her constant referral to herself on the stump as “just a hockey mom.” This evening, she met that title head on by dropping the first puck of the Philadelphia Flyers hockey season in their opener with the New York Rangers.

    A carpet was laid down and Palin, dressed in a beige trench, walked on to the ice joined by her daughters Willow and Piper. The GOP Vice-Presidential nominee said at an earlier fundraiser that she would stop some of the booing from the rowdy Philadelphia fans by putting her seven year old daughter, Piper in a Flyers jersey. She said, “How dare they boo Piper!”

    Her secret weapon may have worked. The crowd in this staunchly Democratic city –visited today by Barack Obama—gave Palin mixed reviews. There were audible boos over the very loud music and some in the crowd had their thumbs down, but there were also many people clapping and cheering the GOP Vice-Presidential nominee.

    Once she got on the ice she met the woman who won the “Ultimate Hockey Mom” contest, Cathy O’Connell from Erdenheim, Pennsylvania and patted her on the back. Flyers captain Mike Richards skated over to shake Palin’s hand and fellow Alaskan and New York Ranger Scotty Gomez greeted his Governor who gave him a kiss on the cheek. Palin then leaned over for the face off between the two players and dropped the puck.

    The Palins joined by the “Ultimate Hockey Mom” walked off the ice waving to the crowd.

    embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/11/palin-drops-puck-at-flyers-game-receives-mixed-reaction/

  11. basil9 —

    Inb re your post on last last thread at 6:24 pm — you are more than welcome to quote something that I wrote, but I would appreciate your giving me credit for it.

    Many thanks,
    Ani

  12. So guys

    Is this 30 minutes Obama’s buying

    A : an informercial

    or

    B : a Joan Rivers QVC bargain style half hour so Obama can sell his tawdry paraphanalia before no one will want to buy it a week later.

  13. Sarah Palin stops by Way Fruit Farm festival
    video

    videos.centredaily.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=2272302&item_index=1&all=1&sort=NULL

  14. AMBROSE: Biden’s gaffes
    Jay Ambrose
    COMMENTARY:

    During all the hysteria about Sarah Palin and whether she is fit to be vice president, has anyone noticed Joe Biden is a persistent, unreformed, downright clownish bungler whose gaffes are simply too many and too wild to be considered perfectly excusable slips of the tongue?

    True, he’s a likable guy who projects sincerity and any number of other impressive attributes, and maybe that’s why his barrage of mistakes draws no great press criticism. Some commentators have gone after him, of course, but mostly we get buried stories with small-type headlines and opinion pieces on how his gush of talk can get ahead of an astute brain. We mostly get winks when we should get astonishment.

    The debate with Mrs. Palin gave us false information very nearly unbelievable in someone who has served in the Senate for 36 years and yaps his head off on TV talk shows all the time. Unbelievably, he said the United States and France kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, when, in fact, no such thing ever happened.

    He also made it clear to viewers he had absolutely no idea what the Constitution says about the office he seeks. In stern tones, he informed Mrs. Palin that the vice president can preside over the Senate only in case of a tie vote, and that this is outlined in the Article One, which according to him concerns itself with the executive branch of government.

    Nope. Article One is about the legislative branch, and what a part of it says is this: “The vice president of the United States shall be president of the Senate, but shall have no vote, unless they be equally divided.”

    Mr. Biden made any number of other errors, and yes, Mrs. Palin got some things wrong, as well, such as referring to Army Gen. David McKiernan who commands our military in Afghanistan as “McClellan.” But nothing she said was as fundamentally amiss as Mr. Biden’s inaccuracies, and nothing she has said since her nomination is as dumfounding as he was a while ago on the 1929 stock crash.

    “When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed,” he said in an interview with Katie Couric of CBS News. “He said, ‘Look, here’s what happened.’ ”

    What we all know, of course, is that TV wasn’t around in those days, and that Roosevelt wasn’t president then. What we ought also to know is that it bespeaks something frightening to confuse this version of things with Roosevelt’s radio talks during the Depression. Either Mr. Biden is so loose with details as to be prone to major policy blunder, is ignorant of basics or just can’t distinguish between fact and fiction. Or he may sometimes lie.

    This possibility brings us to another sort of mistake he has made in the past and this year, stories about his own life that just aren’t true.

    He portrayed himself in his vice presidential acceptance speech as coming from a working-class family, but as columnist Steve Chapman has observed, his father had been a business executive, had been part owner of an airport and crop-dusting firm and was a sales manager. Despite some hard times, the father wasn’t working class.

    Mr. Biden said when running for president three decades ago that he graduated in the top of half of his law-school class. He graduated 76 out of 85.

    In the debate, he aimed to show his connection with everyday folks by making it sound as if he sometimes hangs out at Katie’s restaurant in Wilmington, Del., only it turns out the place has been closed for 20 years.

    Whatever explanation exists for all of this, it does not bolster one’s confidence in Mr. Biden’s qualifications for vice president.

    http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/oct/12/bidens-gaffes-12284920/

  15. “we probably won’t exist, we will be the USSA. The United Socialist States of America.”

    Oh, so that’s what Obama means by ‘change.’

  16. Palin bio’s author basks in limelight
    Andrea Billups

    Kaylene Johnson had a modest freelance-writing career, penning two small books and publishing articles in newspapers and magazines while enjoying life in the snowy wilds of her farm outside Wasilla, Alaska.

    But her comfortable, folksy world changed overnight in August when Gov. Sarah Palin was tapped by Republican presidential contender Sen. John McCain as his running mate.

    Suddenly, her 160-page biography, “Sarah: How a Hockey Mom Turned Alaska’s Political Establishment Upside Down,” became the definitive primer on the relatively unknown Alaska governor, with reporters from around the world contacting Mrs. Johnson as expert on all things Palin. Today, less, than two months later, both Mrs. Johnson and the vice-presidential candidate are basking in the national attention.

    “The political realm is not something I’m an avid consumer of in any respect, so it’s just been amazing, and unlikely, too,” Mrs. Johnson said of the book’s runaway success, which, through a partnership with Tyndale House, includes more than 350,000 copies in print.

    Although freelance writing was a fun sideline, never did the Alaska author, 47, expect to see her name on the New York Times best-seller list, where her book on Mrs. Palin’s early life and Alaska political career now stands at No. 3 for paperback nonfiction.

    “Most of the folks I’d written about previously were historical figures, and now here I was writing about someone making history,” Mrs. Johnson said of the literary serendipity. Writing about Mrs. Palin, she said, has forced her to take deeper stock of the national political landscape.

    “A year ago, I may not have been very plugged in politically,” she said. “But you can bet I am now.”

    Mrs. Johnson just returned to Alaska from a book tour last week in New York City, where she was chauffeured around the Big Apple as she made the rounds of television talk shows. It was a little like Cinderella at the ball, she said, noting that her close gal pals went shopping for her press-tour wardrobe to make sure she was camera-ready. There have been offers from an agent, but she has no concrete plans for other books and is waiting to see what comes her way while she marvels in her rising profile.

    Mrs. Johnson, a graduate of Vermont College who earned a master of fine arts degree in writing from Spaulding University, said she came away impressed with Mrs. Palin, even if some suggested that her book did not give a critical look at the candidate.

    “It was a positive book because she has made such a positive impact here in Alaska,” Mrs. Johnson said. “I only had a short amount of time to finish it. If I’d had a year, it might have been a different book.”

    http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/oct/12/palin-bios-author-basks-in-limelight/

  17. Women Not Ready for High Office

    Both Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin are examples of why women in the United States have a long way to go, before a woman becomes president or vice president.

    There is no glass ceiling any more, but women don’t rise to the occasion. To take on positions of great responsibility requires the ability to act with detachment and reason.

    Neither of these women have demonstrated detachment or reason. They have reverted to the basest of emotions and outbursts in an attempt to defame their opponent and managed only to rile up a frenzied blind following instead.

    Hillary Clinton ran a bitter, emotional campaign against Barack Obama, injecting personal, untrue emotional attacks on his character.
    She started the ugly rumours and innuendos now taken up with such fervor by Palin in her vacuous one-liners.

    Hillary Clinton understood the issues but muddied them with her ego, false accusations and emotions.

    Sarah Palin has no understanding of the issues and reverts to shameful smears, hate mongering and mixing religion and state.

    Neither one will ever be president or vice-president.
    From a woman who loves to see women succeed.

    http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-112133
    *****************************************************
    A reason why no women will ever reach high office…If women don’t support their own and break down these barriers no woman will succeed.
    It is not about Sarah’s achievements or accomplishment, it’s about her gender being a threat to the good ol’ boy system.

    Now we really see how the LEFT truly feels about Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin…none are able or good enough to be considered worthy, yet Obama thin resume is a accomplishment and we should be honor he grace himself with his aura.

    Pls. Sarah Palin is being destroyed by the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY for daring to accept McCain offer as his vice president. Well I think Sarah Palin is Qualified for this position and have no problem voting for the McCain/Palin ticket.

  18. ani,

    so sorry. i love your posts and often bring them over here, i usually mention its from nq but i will be more specific if you like.

    you do great work!

  19. Republican Vice-Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin is set to stop in Marietta Sunday but the details of where she’ll be or what time she’ll be there has not been released.

    Washington County McCain-Palin Campaign representative and the Washington County Republican Party Chair, Marilyn Aschraft, said there’s been a lot of confusion about Governor Palin’s visit.

    Ashcraft said the stop here is an unscheduled coffee break on Governor Palin’s way to a rally in Saint Clairsville, Ohio Sunday, Oct. 12.

    Ashcraft said Palin will be traveling from Huntington to Gallipolis, Marietta, and then Saint Clairsville.

    Since Palin’s stop in Marietta will be brief and because of security reasons, Ashcraft said the time and location of Palin’s visit are not being announced.

    Ashcraft said the Marietta stop is not a rally and compares it to visits you may have seen on national TV where she shakes hands with residents who may just happen to be at an unannounced location like a family restaurant.

    Still Palin’s stop is getting the attention of many residents. A presidential or vice presidential candidate has not visited the Mid-Ohio Vally since the primary election.

    “As you figure the national convention just ended September the 4th which is the latest that we’ve ever had a national convention so we didn’t have anything to go on until the day before the convention started as to who the vice presidential candidate would be,” said Ashcraft.

    Washington County Democratic Party Chair Molly Varner said “all four candidates should be here so that the population, the voters, can take a good look at what they have to offer, how they say it, how sincerely they present themselves and then let the voters decide.”

    Doors open at the rally in St. Clairsville which is at Brush Run Park at Alderman Airport at 3:00 p.m. Ashcraft said Palin is scheduled to speak at 6 p.m.

    Washington County is out of tickets to the event in St. Clairsville and Ashcraft said they called two neighboring counties that are also out of tickets.

    We will not be able to carry live coverage of Governor Palin’s visit as we have of the other candidates during the primary election because the McCain-Palin campaign has limited our access.

    For more information on this, go to our web channel wtap.com and click on the left hand side of your screen under the blog section and read Roger Sheppard’s editorial.

    Republican Vice-Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin is set to stop in Marietta Sunday but the details of where she’ll be or what time she’ll be there has not been released.

    Washington County McCain-Palin Campaign representative and the Washington County Republican Party Chair, Marilyn Aschraft, said there’s been a lot of confusion about Governor Palin’s visit.

    Ashcraft said the stop here is an unscheduled coffee break on Governor Palin’s way to a rally in Saint Clairsville, Ohio Sunday, Oct. 12.

    Ashcraft said Palin will be traveling from Huntington to Gallipolis, Marietta, and then Saint Clairsville.

    Since Palin’s stop in Marietta will be brief and because of security reasons, Ashcraft said the time and location of Palin’s visit are not being announced.

    Ashcraft said the Marietta stop is not a rally and compares it to visits you may have seen on national TV where she shakes hands with residents who may just happen to be at an unannounced location like a family restaurant.

    Still Palin’s stop is getting the attention of many residents. A presidential or vice presidential candidate has not visited the Mid-Ohio Vally since the primary election.

    “As you figure the national convention just ended September the 4th which is the latest that we’ve ever had a national convention so we didn’t have anything to go on until the day before the convention started as to who the vice presidential candidate would be,” said Ashcraft.

    Washington County Democratic Party Chair Molly Varner said “all four candidates should be here so that the population, the voters, can take a good look at what they have to offer, how they say it, how sincerely they present themselves and then let the voters decide.”

    Doors open at the rally in St. Clairsville which is at Brush Run Park at Alderman Airport at 3:00 p.m. Ashcraft said Palin is scheduled to speak at 6 p.m.

    Washington County is out of tickets to the event in St. Clairsville and Ashcraft said they called two neighboring counties that are also out of tickets.

    We will not be able to carry live coverage of Governor Palin’s visit as we have of the other candidates during the primary election because the McCain-Palin campaign has limited our access.

    For more information on this, go to our web channel wtap.com and click on the left hand side of your screen under the blog section and read Roger Sheppard’s editorial.

    Republican Vice-Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin is set to stop in Marietta Sunday but the details of where she’ll be or what time she’ll be there has not been released.

    Washington County McCain-Palin Campaign representative and the Washington County Republican Party Chair, Marilyn Aschraft, said there’s been a lot of confusion about Governor Palin’s visit.

    Ashcraft said the stop here is an unscheduled coffee break on Governor Palin’s way to a rally in Saint Clairsville, Ohio Sunday, Oct. 12.

    Ashcraft said Palin will be traveling from Huntington to Gallipolis, Marietta, and then Saint Clairsville.

    Since Palin’s stop in Marietta will be brief and because of security reasons, Ashcraft said the time and location of Palin’s visit are not being announced.

    Ashcraft said the Marietta stop is not a rally and compares it to visits you may have seen on national TV where she shakes hands with residents who may just happen to be at an unannounced location like a family restaurant.

    Still Palin’s stop is getting the attention of many residents. A presidential or vice presidential candidate has not visited the Mid-Ohio Vally since the primary election.

    “As you figure the national convention just ended September the 4th which is the latest that we’ve ever had a national convention so we didn’t have anything to go on until the day before the convention started as to who the vice presidential candidate would be,” said Ashcraft.

    Washington County Democratic Party Chair Molly Varner said “all four candidates should be here so that the population, the voters, can take a good look at what they have to offer, how they say it, how sincerely they present themselves and then let the voters decide.”

    Doors open at the rally in St. Clairsville which is at Brush Run Park at Alderman Airport at 3:00 p.m. Ashcraft said Palin is scheduled to speak at 6 p.m.

    Washington County is out of tickets to the event in St. Clairsville and Ashcraft said they called two neighboring counties that are also out of tickets.

    We will not be able to carry live coverage of Governor Palin’s visit as we have of the other candidates during the primary election because the McCain-Palin campaign has limited our access.

    For more information on this, go to our web channel wtap.com and click on the left hand side of your screen under the blog section and read Roger Sheppard’s editorial.

    http://www.wtap.com/news/headlines/30847269.html

  20. I had planned on voting McCain and then democrat down ticket. Now not so sure. I may vote a straight republican ticket. No one from the democrat party has exhibited anything akin to leadership since the financial crisis began. A dumbass congress with a dumbass in the Oval Office scares me more than four more years of Bush.

  21. Campaign finance complaint by watchdog group targets 2 political groups over their TV ads
    By JIM KUHNHENN , Associated Press

    WASHINGTON – A campaign finance watchdog group on Friday filed a complaint with federal regulators against two groups — one pro-Republican and the other pro-Democrat — alleging they violated the law by airing political ads during the presidential contest.

    Democracy 21 wants the Federal Election Commission to investigate the American Issues Project, which ran a $2.8 million ad campaign against Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama, and the American Leadership Project, a group that backed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Democratic primaries and ran about $4.3 million in ads supporting her or against Obama.

    The complaint argues that both groups violated the law by not operating as a political action committee, which would have restricted their fundraising to capped donations. The American Leadership Project was largely financed by unions that supported Clinton. The American Issues Project ad against Obama was paid for by Texas billionaire Harold Simmons, a McCain fundraiser.

    “The FEC complaint we filed today is intended to help ensure that the FEC continues to take enforcement action against any illegal activities by outside spending groups that may occur in the 2008 election,” said Fred Wertheimer, the president of Democracy 21.

    The American Issues Project is a nonprofit 501(c)4 organization. It ran ads in August in Michigan and Ohio linking Obama to William Ayers, a Vietnam-era militant who helped found the violent Weather Underground. Ayers, now a university professor in Chicago, has worked on charity and education projects with Obama and hosted a political meet-and-greet for Obama in the 1990s.

    As a 501(c)4 organization, the group must have as its main purpose a mission other than seeking to influence elections. Wertheimer also wrote to the Internal Revenue Service asking the IRS to examine whether the group violated its nonprofit status.

    In a statement, American Issues Project President Ed Martin said the group complies with the law because most of its activities are nonpolitical. “This is a totally spurious complaint — we are well aware of the requirements of the law and are in complete compliance with those requirements,” he said.

    The American Leadership Project was created as a 527 group, named after the section of the tax code that governs them. Its main contributors were the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees and the American Federation of Teachers. The group also ran a radio ad against McCain in Colorado against McCain during he Democratic National Convention.

    The group did not have an immediate response.

    http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/president/30748074.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUMEaPc:E7_ec7PaP3iUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiU
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    Isn’t it interesting that Obama supporters are now going after Hillary Clinton and McCain now that they think Obama is going to win?

    I do not believe Obama is going to use anything the from the Clinton except their credibility with the people. I’m seeing more and more Hillary Clinton bashing from Obama supporters and Hillary Clintons voters are still voting for this guy thinking Bill and Hillary ideas are welcome in an Obama administration.

  22. Umm…can someone give me a recap about Oliars “caribbean friend”? I just got backk from seeing a movie, and I’m completely clueless.

  23. Incidentally, who or what Oliar may or may not be banging isn’t relevant to me in terms of this election…but I confess to be nosy as hell. 😉

  24. Idunn Says:
    October 11th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
    Incidentally, who or what Oliar may or may not be banging isn’t relevant to me in terms of this election.
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    thanks for the nauseating visual.

  25. East Texans voice their opinion about Troopergate
    By Lindsay Landry
    KETK News

    Story Created: Oct 11, 2008 at 9:12 PM CDT
    Story Updated: Oct 11, 2008 at 9:12 PM CDT

    TYLER-It’s still unclear what impact the so-called Troopergate investigation may have on the election. But it is clear how East Texans feel about it.

    A report released Friday accused Sarah Palin of abusing her power as Governor of Alaska to in order to settle a private matter. The report accused Palin of violating the state’s executive branch ethics act. It stated she forced out the public safety commissioner after he refused to fire her former brother-in-law. Palin has denied the accusations. And a separate investigation by the state personnel board is still underway.

    So what do East Texans think about this whole controversy? We’ll Saturday KETK hit the streets to find out.

    “Everybody I ‘ve talked to likes her,” one Quitman resident said. “In fact I like her more than McCain.”

    “I have no respect for John McCain what so ever anymore,” one Obama supporter said. “He’ll do anything to be president and unfortunately this includes being dishonest and picking the wrong V.P.”

    “I think she get discredited for a lot that she does and I think that her personal life shouldn’t come into the debate as much as it does,” one McCain supporter said. “I think she gets downplayed a little bit.”

    “I think she’s something new to the scene and I think although she’s got a lot to learn, I think she’s dedicated to doing the job,” one Tyler resident said.

    There will be a Republican Party Rally at Burgfeld Park in Tyler on Sunday October 9th at 2 p.m. and anyone is invited to attend.

    http://www.ketknbc.com/home/ticker/30850559.html
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    Troopergate won’t stop the Palin juggernaut, in fact it will only help Palin the more Obama attacks her. Any place else that trooper would have bee FIRED!

    Palin has the highest likeablity factor of all four candidates. I guess the beltway crowd will continue to write their stories most people laugh at…at the end of the day Palin will still be Gov Palin unless McCain is elected President.

  26. LOL…sorry.

    Nevermind catching me up to speed, though. I went back to the other article and read through from my last post.

    Oh la la…Mr. Ethical has a secret lovah. 😉

  27. VP Nominee Palin in Central PA
    Reported by: Andrew Capasso
    Saturday, Oct 11, 2008 @09:49pm EST

    Vice Presidential Nominee Sarah Palin made her way through the region.

    Her first stop was Johnstown. That’s where she spoke to more than 6000 supporters at the Cambria War Memorial. With less than a month till Election Day, Governor Palin was putting the pressure on Central PA voters.

    After Johnstown – Palin came to Altoona for a quick bite to eat at the 17th Street Sheetz. While she was there, she continued to talk to her supporters about the economy and what a Mccain-Palin ticket would do to help the economy.

    From there – the Governor made a stop in Centre County. Palin was at Way’s Fruit Farm in Half Moon Township. The Governor spoke with supporters for about 15 minutes while her kids picked out a pumpkin. Palin and her family flew out of University Park Airport headed to Philadelphia. That’s where the family went to check out a Flyer’s game.

    wearecentralpa.com/content/fulltext/?cid=34842
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    One thing I did like about Hillary is that she ask the voters to vote for her…I like that she said I need you to vote for me.

    I’m hoping McCain/Palin is asking for their votes too.

  28. The longer the RNC continues their “wimpy” campaign, the more I get the sick feeling that the Repubs want Obama and the Dems to get stuck with the US and global financial meltdown. If Obama is in the WH 01/20/09, he and the Dem party will own the coming depression. The Bush years will fade in the American memory and the Repubs will make big gains in ’10 and the WH in ’12.

  29. Joe McCain handed Jim Gilmore a check Saturday, and called for others to do the same.

    With just more than three weeks left before the Nov. 4 elections, McCain called for the Republicans gathered at Kathy’s Restaurant in Staunton to leave “with a mission and a message” to elect his brother, John McCain, as president, Gilmore as U.S. Senator and the other party nominees across Virginia to their respective offices.

    The campaign contribution, like the one he gave to Gilmore, will help, Joe McCain said, but people need to spread the message that it’s his brother, John, who is most qualified to answer the White House phone at 3 a.m. when a crisis takes place.

    “You want that hand answering the phone,” Joe McCain said.

    Weaving in John McCain’s story of military service while pointing out his track record for straight talk, Joe McCain said his brother would not govern through polls.

    Joe McCain repeated the oft-told story of his brother’s dramatic experience in Vietnam: John McCain was shot down over Hanoi, broke both his arms and a leg and spent about two years as a prisoner of war in isolation, where he was beaten and battered to the point where, today, he can’t raise his arms above his shoulders.

    Given a chance to be released during a publicity stunt by the North Vietnamese, the future senator refused, rising up to say that others who had been there longer should go home first.

    “It’s about character,” Joe McCain said. In tough economic times, he said, his brother makes decisions “without guile and without finesse.”

    But one of John McCain’s recent decisions — his vote in favor of the $700 billion Wall Street bailout — has sparked criticism among conservatives. The Senate bill, backed by Congress on Oct. 3, was laden with pork. Gilmore told the crowd he would have voted against the package.

    “The reason John voted for it, in spite of the fact that there was pork in there … was because he was trying to get this fiscal issue temporarily out of the way so we could get back to the other issues that face this country,” Joe McCain said. “That doesn’t mean that the vote for it was necessarily the best thing to do, but it was the thing to do so that he could get back to this message of why he’s running.”

    Gilmore, who spoke before Joe McCain and behind Democrat Mark Warner by more than 20 percentage points in the polls, sought to rally the Republican troops, urging them to speak to people and get bumper stickers on their cars.

    “It’s almost a spiritual thing,” Gilmore said to laughs.

    The polls, Gilmore said, do not accurately reflect the vibe he’s getting from people throughout the 90 cities and counties he’s visited.

    “This race is going great guns — absolutely great guns,” Gilmore said.

    The number of donors to Gilmore’s campaign has swelled from 1,500 to 9,000, the former governor said.

    That, Gilmore said, is because he’s on the right side of the issues. He backs drilling for oil offshore and in Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and a plan for energy independence that includes use of coal, nuclear power and renewable energy. He also favors union members having the right to hold secret-ballot elections. Warner opposes these things, Gilmore said.

    “We can drill for oil,” Gilmore said. “We can lower gas prices right now.”

    Warner doesn’t believe in energy diversity, Gilmore said.

    “Send him a rose, let him babysit your kids — he’s OK,” Gilmore said. “But don’t send him to the U.S. Senate to represent the state of Virginia.”

    Gilmore praised the Republican presidential ticket, calling John McCain and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin “the right running mates.”

    In particular, Gilmore praised Palin as someone who has energized Republicans and “close[d] the gender gap.” He believes John McCain will carry Virginia.

    Joe McCain, too, believes it.

    Holding up the Naval aviator flight jacket his brother wore at the flight briefing before leaving on the mission that saw him shot down over Hanoi on Oct. 26, 1967, Joe McCain said his brother did not see it again for five-and-a-half years.

    As he did before every mission, John McCain — like other Navy pilots — would give a thumbs-up sign before taking off from the aircraft carrier.

    Joe McCain gave him his own thumbs-up.

    “Let’s send him off into history,” Joe McCain said.

    At that, the Republicans in the room gave John McCain two thumbs up.

    http://www.newsvirginian.com/wnv/news/local/article/gilmore_joe_mccain_rally_republicans/29351/

  30. Sarah Palin to hold rally in Indy

    Republican nominee for vice president to hold rally in Indianapolis area on Friday.

    By Mary Beth Schneider
    mary.beth.schneider@indystar.com

    Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican nominee for vice president, will hold a rally in the Indianapolis area on Friday.

    Jennifer Hallowell, regional campaign manager for GOP presidential nominee Sen. John McCain, said Saturday that details for Palin’s “Road to Victory” rally are still being worked out. A venue has not been determined, but Hallowell said she expects doors to open at 1 p.m. and the program to begin at 3 p.m.

    The visit will be Palin’s first visit to Indiana. McCain last visited Indiana on July 1, when he spoke to a convention of the nation’s sheriffs.

    Palin’s visit will come a little more than a week after McCain’s opponent, Democratic Sen. Barack Obama, held a rally Wednesday that was attended by about 21,000 people at the State Fairgrounds. That was Obama’s 46th visit to Indiana, and his sixth since the May primary election. Obama’s running mate, Sen. Joseph Biden, was in Southern Indiana in September.

    Polls have shown a close race for president in Indiana, a state that hasn’t backed a Democrat since Lyndon Johnson carried the state in 1964.

    A recent Indianapolis Star/WTHR (Channel 13) poll showed Obama leading McCain 47 percent to 44 percent, while a WISH (Channel 8) poll had the race tied at 46 percent each.

    Palin has drawn large and enthusiastic crowds to her rallies since she was named as McCain’s running mate on Aug. 29. She has been credited with energizing the conservative base of the party, although opponents contend some of those crowds have erupted in anger directed at Obama.

    Palin’s rally will be a ticketed event. Details on how to get tickets will be announced later.

  31. henry Says:

    October 11th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
    I had planned on voting McCain and then democrat down ticket. Now not so sure. I may vote a straight republican ticket. No one from the democrat party has exhibited anything akin to leadership since the financial crisis began. A dumbass congress with a dumbass in the Oval Office scares me more than four more years of Bush.

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    Henry i sent in my absentee ballot, i voted republican on most of the ballot. Except one, i voted for the woman that is taking Stephanie Tubbs Jones Place.

    I have had it with the Dems

  32. In a written statement filed with Branchflower lsat week, Todd Palin denied pressuring Monegan to fire Wooten. “I had hundreds of conversations and communications about Trooper Wooten over the last several years with my family, with friends, with colleagues and with just about everyone I could, including government officials,” his statement said and some said who could blame him for trying to defend and protect his family.

    Palins’ attorneys said that Branchflower and the Legislative Council have improperly charged the Governor with an ethics violation, saying that Ethics Act violations can only involve financial motives and financial “potential gain, or the avoidance of a potential loss”. They point out that there is no accusation, no finding and no facts that Palin realized any money or financial gain by replacing Monegan. They say there was no abuse of power by Palin but charge that the Democrat Hollis French who headed the Legislative Council abused their government power by using public money to “pursue a personal vendetta against the governor. Put bluntly, Branchflower completely misapplied the Ethics Act and has instead sought to create a headline to smear the governor,” the lawyers wrote.

    i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/11/response.branchflower.report.pdf 10-11-08

    http://www.northcountrygazette.org/2008/10/11/obama_acorn/

  33. To Appalachia with respect
    By Kathleen Parker
    Article Launched: 10/11/2008 07:03:45 PM PDT

    WASHINGTON – If you’re a Democrat who needs help getting the votes of rural white folks, the go-to guy is David “Mudcat” Saunders, a central-casting political consultant recently made famous by a parade of magazine writers led by The Weekly Standard’s Matt Labash.

    But sometimes you can learn more about a people and their place through literature than by hiring consultants. So I called Ron Rash, poet, author and purebred Appalachian whose newest novel, “Serena,” should be at the top of Barack Obama’s reading list.

    Sarah Palin might enjoy it as well. Described by one blurber as “an Appalachian retelling of Macbeth,” the story features a strong woman who hunts rattlesnakes with an eagle. An Academy Award nomination awaits the woman who plays Serena, predicts novelist Pat Conroy.

    I asked Rash, with whom I’ve visited on occasion: What does Obama need to do to win the hearts and votes of Appalachia?

    Rash is a lean, wiry man who has trouble sitting in a chair with both feet on the ground, usually pulling one knee to his chest like a yogi. He speaks in quick bursts like an engine spitting in the cold – or a man more accustomed to thinking than talking.

    Though an Obama man, Rash is quick to condemn the snobbery he has observed toward Palin. He cringes when he hears a news anchor refer to his home turf as “redneck country.” Or when the bad guy in movies too often has a Southern accent.

    But, he says, “One thing about Appalachian people is they don’t bitch and moan.”

    Rash’s Appalachian roots run 200 years deep, and he has the tales to prove it. One that may prove helpful to Obama in understanding the character of his people tells of a Confederate soldier who dropped by Rash’s family farm near Boone, N.C., to confiscate their only horse for the Confederacy.

    As the soldier left whistling “Dixie,” the lady of the house shouted: “Before morning, you’ll be whistling `Dixie’ in hell.”

    Indeed, the next morning, the fellow was found face down in a creek two miles away – and the horse was back in the barn.

    Moral: Don’t mess with Appalachia.

    Obama has more in common with the mountain people than he may realize, says Rash, who is the Parris distinguished professor in Appalachian cultural studies at Western Carolina University in Cullowee, N.C.

    African-Americans built this country and got nothing back, he says. So did Appalachians. What Obama may not know is that most mountain communities were pro-Union during the Civil War. These often-impoverished descendants of the Scots-Irish weren’t slaveholders, after all. In a sense, blacks and Appalachians are natural allies.

    As Virginia Sen. Jim Webb wrote in The Wall Street Journal: “The greatest realignment in modern politics would take place rather quickly if the right national leader found a way to bring the Scots-Irish and African-Americans to the same table.”

    Moreover, the civil rights and anti-slavery movements were long a part of Appalachia, says Rash. “Rosa Parks attended a workshop in Appalachia before she sat on that bus.”

    Thus, when Obama visits the region, Rash recommends that he say the following:

    “I know that for well over a century, the only time people come to Appalachia is when they want something. They want your coal, your timber and they want your vote. They take what they want and they leave and they don’t come back until they want some more. I’m not going to do that.

    “I’ll make a vow to you today that a year from now, I’ll be back. And we’ll discuss what I’ve done and whether you feel like I’ve honored what I’ve said here today. I’ll come back this time of year for as long as I am president.”

    Obama should also say that though he is different in many ways, he is much the same. He didn’t grow up with wealth, and had to work hard, as they do. On the war – a prickly point in these parts – Obama should recognize that Appalachia has contributed more than its fair share to America’s wars. He should say:

    “We may disagree about this war, but one reason I disagree is because this region more than any other has sent soldiers into battle for this country. And part of honoring that is not sending them into a war that has not been well thought-out.”

    Straight talk without condescension is all anyone asks. It may be all Obama needs to finish the race.

    http://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/news/ci_10699455
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    A loyal democrat but Obama has already wrote this area off, the best he will do is send a surrogate to meme speak for him. In fact all that going after Palin will help her their more then Obama.

    Obama has already lost this area due to his condescension and race baiting.

  34. i gotta say that i think we are fucked.
    media/pollsters
    bambi bambi bambi
    no matter how much work we do seems that this election was decided a long time ago
    In the past few months I cannot even count the number of times I have been bombarded with arguments based on the fact that I supported Senator Clinton and should thus support waffles. I busted my ass for Clinton not because she was my idol but because I believed she would lead my country. Take her out of the pictue and next up is John McCain.
    I really resent the insinuation that i am just bitter about hill’s loss.
    In fact I think my country is in jeopardy and Sen Clinton’s continued support of the marxist pig has diminished her in my eyes.

  35. Republicans stage stand-in at Democratic fundraiser

    Nicole C. Brambila
    The Desert Sun

    About a dozen Republicans demonstrated outside the venue of a Democratic candidate fundraiser this afternoon that hosted U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Ca., in Sun City.

    Democratic candidate Julie Bornstein, who is running against U.S. Rep. Mary Bono Mack, R-Palm Springs, for the 45th Congressional District seat, shook hands and chatted with Republicans holding McCain/Palin signs before going to her fundraiser.

    “Thank you for stopping by,” Bornstein told them. “It’s important for people to be a part of the political process.”

    The group insisted they were not protesting the fundraiser.

    “This is purely a Republican welcome to Sen. Boxer and Julie Bornstein,” said Drew Sweatte, who organized the event.

    “We’re not here to protest her. We’re here to show them this is Republican country.”>/b>

    After the Feb. 5 super primary, Democrats in the valley accounted for 38 percent of registered voters and Republicans 44 percent.

    Passing cars honked and waved while some gave hand gestures.

    About 200 people turned out to meet Boxer at the Bornstein campaign fundraiser.

    Boxer talked about Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s unfitness for vice president, the Wall Street bailout and the Bush dministration’s “feverish deregulations” that caused the stock market melt down.

    She then touted Bornstein’s experience in the state Assembly in the 1990s and as director of the California Department of Housing under Gov. Gray Davis.

    “If ever this was a time to have Julie Bornstein in Congress, this is the moment,” Boxer said. “At the end of the day, what caused all this is the housing crisis. You have here a housing expert.”

    After a 20-minute chat, Boxer made a hasty departure to prepare for a trip to Florida to stump for presidential candidate Barrack Obama.

    http://www.mydesert.com/article/20081011/NEWS01/81011007/1263/update

  36. henry Says:

    October 11th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
    i gotta say that i think we are fucked.
    media/pollsters
    bambi bambi bambi
    no matter how much work we do seems that this election was decided a long time ago
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    Henry, take a breather, go to a movie or just relax and don’t read or watch the news for a few days.

    You’ll feel better for it and then see McCain/Palin has been effective against Obama. McCain numbers are closing and that Palin is still well liked by the GOP base. The media is still being ignored by those who has not drunk the Obama koolaid.

    The real poll numbers are tighter then what you see being promoted on MSM…everytime I see a honest poll the numbers are closer then you think even with this bad economy that should favor the democrats but obama is not getting the pop he needs to win this race.

    That’s why you see all the “let’s destroy Palin” tricks…do you know Palin has an question & answer segment on People.com?

  37. Crowd endures long line for Palin’s speech
    By BOB LEVERKNIGHT
    Daily American Staff Writer

    Saturday, October 11, 2008 10:25 PM EDT
    For the thousands that stood in long lines, the visit Saturday morning by Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin was many things.

    “Its a piece of history,” said ticket holder Kim Whipkey, as she stood with family members near the entrance to the Cambria County War Memorial Arena.

    Lines streched from the arena, past several groups of protesters, as well as supporters of the Democratic nominee, Barack Obama. At one point, the lines were near the base to the Johnstown Inclined Plane.

    Inside the arena, country music singer Aaron Tippen performed several of his hit songs for the crowd, including his song “Kiss this.” “That one’s for Barack Obama,” he said after the song ended.

    Republican candidates spoke to the crowd, mostly appealing to the values of the party, pro-life, in support of the second amendment and smaller government.

    With the Johnstown stop being the first of the day for Palin, the near capicity crowd did not have to wait long before Tippen took the stage again to introduce Palin.

    The assembled crowd went wild when Palin got on stage, along with her kids, Piper, Bristol and Trig.

    “It’s a real honor to be here in Johnstown, home of the Chiefs and where they filmed ‘Slapshot,’” she said.

    In a speech that lasted less than an hour, Palin hit the campaign’s high points and also commented on a proposal for, except for military and veteran’s budgets, a freeze on federal spending.

    http://www.dailyamerican.com/articles/2008/10/11/news/news/news149.txt

  38. carby
    I just don’t see it.
    My mother 19 years my senior who has known I am gay for twenty years attacked me for supporting McCain as a hypocrit, Sne had never used the word gay to me before this evening and what I heard from her was that McCain would have no problem killing me.
    Scary thing i she is 60 with an education but her retirement is tied up in a 401k. Save the 200k i advised her to move as a safe bet.

  39. May I just say, AS someone who resided in the hills of Appalachia (that’s pronounced like throw an ” apple at cha ” by the way)…Rash is right. Wander up my long gravel driveway in the dead of night and wind up on my front porch, and you’ll leave here minus a knee cap. Come inside my house in the dead of night, and you’ll leave here only with the assistance of a coroner. “Hill billy” don’t play that. 😉

    But anyway…thinking about what Rezko is singing tonight. The bank with political ties thing has been bugging me. Then, it dawns on me….Rezko, Obama , Giannoulis….BROADWAY BANK! And if that’s the piece about to be put into play, Obama’s ass is grass. (pardon the expression) He kept his campaign donations in Broadway. Seeing through the fog here, guys?

  40. Palin makes campaign stop in Johnstown
    By MICHELLE GANASSI
    Daily American Staff Writer

    Saturday, October 11, 2008 10:25 PM EDT
    JOHNSTOWN — Republican Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin said her administration will balance America’s budget while outlying other reasons she and Sen. John McCain will reform Washington.

    “We will balance the federal budget by the end of our first term,” Palin promised a cheering crowd at the Cambria County War Memorial Saturday morning. “We are going to get the economy back on track.”

    Palin said she and McCain will put a freeze on spending, only spending on vital functions of government to balance the budget. She did not further elaborate on the plan.

    Palin was joined on stage by three of her children, Willow, Piper and Trig.

    “It’s great to be here in the proud home of the Johnstown Chiefs,” she said.

    Palin was introduced to the crowd by country star Aaron Tippin, who surprised the crowd with a three-song set earlier in the morning, including one inspired by the Republican ticket called “Drill Now.”

    “She talks the talk because she walks the walk,” he said.

    Palin also promised tax breaks for small business.

    “That’s how jobs are created,” she said.

    While she served as mayor of Wasilla, she eliminated personal property taxes and business inventory taxes, she said. As governor of Alaska she balanced the state budget and started programs that gave the surplus back to the constituents.

    Sen. Barack Obama voted 94 times to raise taxes. Obama wants to increase government by $1 trillion, but never outlines his plans, Palin said.

    “You deserve to know,” she said.

    When Palin started to discuss energy independence the crowd erupted in a chant of “drill baby drill.”

    Clean coal and more nuclear power plants to develop new energy sources, along with drilling for domestic oil, will help the country gain energy independence, she said. Clean coal could create as many as 1,000 jobs, Palin said.

    “There is more coal in the free country than oil in Saudi Arabia,” she said.

    “We’re going to drill here, drill now for the sake of our nations security. We need American energy recourses produced by American workers.”

    Palin said McCain asked her to take on one project herself -— helping families with children of special needs. As governor, Palin secured additional funding for children with special needs. The topic is one close to her since her youngest child, Trig, was born with down syndrome.

    She said special needs children inspire a special love.

    “And it is that love America and the world needs more of,” she said.

    Another issue Palin is passionate about is the right to life. She has publicly said she opted not to have an abortion when she discovered Trig would be born with down syndrome.

    “Every child has something to contribute to the world if we give them the chance,” she said. “There is the world’s standard of perfection then there is God’s standard of perfect. And he gets the final say.”

    While she was talking about her pro-life views, a baby started to cry in the crowd.

    “I love that sound please let that baby keep on crying,” she said to a woman in the crowd.

    Palin attacked Obama for voting against a ban of partial birth abortions.

    “It is about time that we called him on it,” she said. “It is not mean-spirited to talk about his record.”

    She said that some people will go to the poles on Nov. 4 and forget about the right-to-life.

    “Our opponent is hoping you forget it,” she said.

    Palin compared her ticket’s views to those of President Ronald Regan.

    “No one is above the law and no one is beneath protection,” she said.

    Palin asked anyone who served in the military to raise their hands and be honored. She thanked the men and women who served their country. McCain understands what it takes to win the war on terrorism, while Obama voted to cut finding to the war, she said.

    “Since he won’t say it himself I will. In this campaign there is only one man who has ever really fought for you,” she said. “He is going to keep on fighting for you. And that man is John McCain.

    “Just once I want to hear Barack Obama say he wants America to win.”

    While people were still filing in the memorial, U.S. Rep. Bill Shuster, congressional candidate William Russell and state house candidates Jim Rigby, Chris Voccio and Joseph Veranese, along with party officials spoke to the crowd about the importance of voting for the Republican ticket.

    “We’re going to show how bitter we are on election day,” state Republican party chairman Robert Gleason said to the crowd.

    Saturday afternoon Obama’s campaign sent a response to Palin’s speech via e-mail.

    “Gov. Palin’s comments today show that with this election, the right to choose hangs in the balance,” Anita Dunn, Obama campaign senior adviser, said in the e-mail. “On this issue, the choice is clear. While Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin will make the right to choose illegal, Sen. Obama will protect that right, while working to reduce the need for abortions and find common ground on this issue.”

    Visit http://www.dailyamerican.com for a podcast of Palin’s speech, Tippin’s performance and candidates speeches. Video highlights of the event will be posted Monday afternoon.

    http://www.dailyamerican.com/articles/2008/10/11/news/news/news148.txt

  41. I didn’t know Sarah Palin was going to stop in State College. I live about 40 miles from there.

    Also, I was upset to hear McCain say something nice about Obama after he took the mike away from that woman, but I’m thinking that maybe he felt he could afford to say something nice, that maybe he really does have something up his sleeve to pull out against Bambi.

    If he does, he’d better not wait very much longer though, since time is running out.

    Another reason he said something nice about Bambi, is, maybe he was being threatened about something, but I’m hoping it’s the former rather than the latter.

  42. Idunn
    I am not a constitutional lawyer but I beleve that an individuals right to privacy has been affirmed and reaffirmed by the courts in order for r v wade to be overturned it would require an amendment to the constitution.

  43. Meh, they’ll never overturn Roe v Wade. Not gonna happen. But if Big Mac wants to lead his minions to believe that it will in order to get their votes…fine by me. 😉

  44. Idunn
    two years ago i believed that with a few flaws I lived in a democratic country, today I am not so sure. Everything has been gamed what check is in place to stop the brazille/kennedy/dean/pelosi/cabal from creating the country they believe in??? One more time I have to say this…… Hillary if you love your country speak up as its getting scary.

  45. I am sure many will dislike me or perhaps even hate me for asking this question but I would like to know if you could turn back time and know exactly how Senator Clinton would respond would you still support her? Ny tally
    yes = 0
    no = 1
    just curious

  46. Anyone see channel 73 on Dish Network? It says it is the Obama channel. It has roughly 3 hours left of an 8 hour paid program about Obama. Is it this there all of the time? My husband was channel surfing and asked me if I knew there was an Obama channel. I told him to quit upsetting me. He showed me and he was right. Frightening……

  47. peppermint
    gets even scarier I have heard if you leave your tv idle for a number of hours (for example you go to sleep with it on) it goes directly to the obama channel when idle.

  48. Henry,
    I know I am very unhappy with both of the Clinton’s right now. I wish they would just stay home. Silence says so much. I am going to change my registration to Independent after the election.

  49. peppermint
    ah
    but you did not answer my question. Would you going back a year still support Clinton if you knew then what you now know about her behaivor?

  50. I will never understand WHY the powers that be and that helped Bill C get nominated and elected have turned their backs on Hillary! I have been reading “my life” and it tells about those powers that helped and now I know they did everything they could to get her out?? WHY??? Rockefellar in West Virginia, he was for Obama?? WHY?? This is all so screwy, Hillary and Bill out there stumping for the fraud, who would have thought this would be happening?? The economic crisis, why isn’t Hillary hollering from the rooftops about all the buyouts, bailouts and socialism???

  51. Peppermint, My daughter told me about this channel last week, where the hell is he getting all this money, the country is bankrupt and he buying air time like he owns the bank?? What’s up with that???

  52. confloyd
    sexism?
    Sad because I think as the a very intelligent former first spouse she would have entered the Oval Office knowing what and how things are done like noone save a vp has ever done,
    still wanna know would you have worked for clinton after the way she has behaved suppurting obama if you knew she was going to do as such?

  53. # Secret Says:
    October 11th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    My old friends here know – I cannot stand BHO. I just loathe him. I cannot stand the way he talks or looks pompous. He makes me cringe everytime I look at him. To sum up – I hate him.
    Now, I want BHO to lose the election.
    (snip)

    Once again let me reiterate – Compared to BHO – I love love love our current president George W Bush. That is how much I hate Obama.
    &&&&&&&&&&&

    Secret, wow, you sed it. I used to hate W. with Oblermannesque vomitude, but now, that hate has abated to Category 4.

    The difference between hating the Known Enemies (Cheney, Bush, Alberto Gonzales, etc.) and hating the Damnocrats is that the betrayal by the Dems is like Judas. The Repubs are the Romans.

    Et tu, Obama?

  54. henry,

    If you vote straight Republican, they’ll think you ARE a Republican. Better vote for at least a few token Democrats.

  55. i am of the opinion that waffles is simply a tool.
    the global economy is tanking and me thinks it has all been orchastrated. Fannie and Freddie are but the tips of the iceburg. The insane selling over the last month and especially one day last week gives credence to an elite group acting in unison to manipulate the world.
    I maybe a bit paranoid but I will never forget hearing that we shall destroy America from within. Three planes flew into buildings occupied by tens of thousand of people on Sept 11th and those that took over those planes relied on the passengers sitting and doing nothing, believing that the villians before them shared the same philosophy. They were wrong.

  56. Henry,
    I would support Hillary now. I would support Bill now too. I am disappointed in both of them now too. I aws unhappy with John McCain in 2000. I thought he took Bush’s attacks sitting down. I also was mad at him for supporting Bush everytime Bush got in trouble. I am now supporting John McCain though. Politis makes for strange bedfellows. If you are a part of the party and you want to move up and continue with the career and with the party you must support the candidate even if it makes you sick.

    I think there is another side to it. I think Hillary worked for the floor vote in hopes her delegates would buck the party. I understand Obama and his people bullied everyone. No matter how painful it was – there is power in numbers. That was all I think she could do. Harold Ickes put up the good fight too.

    I think she is between a rock and a hard place.

  57. PEPPER
    June an election at stake
    october the world economy. I say if you weren’t ready to raise yor voice when you saw it all coming sit down and shut the fuck up. Do not tell me to vote for bambi when you know he is dead wrong for this country.

  58. # turndownobama-com Says:
    October 12th, 2008 at 2:42 am

    henry,

    If you vote straight Republican, they’ll think you ARE a Republican. Better vote for at least a few token Democrats.
    &&&&&&&&&&&

    I doubt anyone looks at how a particular voter votes for each position on a ballot. “Let’s see who Edward J. Smith voted for…”.

    Theoretically, it all goes into a “black box”, and that votes for each position are tabulated from ballts.

    In reality, in third world countries, we do know that there are people who want to peer over your shoulder, to make your vote public, which surely is a means to intimidate and influence you:

    Russia
    cuba
    china
    Democratic caucuses in 2008
    U.S. unions wanting to change voting rules for their members
    USA under a (let’s pray NOT) Obama totalitarian state
    &&&&&&&&

    This is why we fight Obama. Like Victor Lazlo in Casablanca, we know where evil resides, and why we fight it.

    Like Bogie in Casablanca, sitting on the fence, but knowing what is, right, yet needing a nudge from Lazlo, the undecided voters may yet listen to what we and others warn of: that Obama is not just “one guy”, he is the single face of a corrupt tide of liberal extremists.

    And like Victor Lazlo, I am an unrepentant liberal, but with a sense of justice. Us “real liberals” understand that elections must be won in the hearts and the minds of the people, not through fear, manipulation, and intimidation.

  59. I am going to hit the hay but before I do I must say that I believe that MY country has been hijacked and the media has played an indefensible role.

  60. # henry Says:
    October 12th, 2008 at 12:59 am

    . . . I would like to know if you could turn back time and know exactly how Senator Clinton would respond would you still support her? Ny tally
    yes = 0
    no = 1
    just curious

    ****************************

    Oh, I would support Hillary and have never stopped supporting and admiring and loving her with all my heart and soul!

  61. I’d never say I loved her but a few months back I respected her. Not so much anymore as I kind of like my country and i don’t believe she has its best interests at heart by supporting obama.

  62. I disagree that she supports Obama. Look at her and JM both—they are being treated as candidates have never before been treated.

    If she spoke out, you would not hear her words. You would hear big media report her as bitter. Her message would not reach anyone in this day and age. She would stand no chance to come back later.

  63. I think the polls are faked. Us angry voters need to find a mass communication outlet. If only protests or rallies independent of anyone’s campaign.

    BM is the worst enemy of this country and all that it stands for, not terrorists.

  64. oklahomahills
    well if the country is truly in as much trouble as we are led to believe I think she should do the job she was elected to do and that is to get us out of this mess and not plug bambi. McCain’s proposal is a derivitive of hers, stand up for it.

  65. Henry, I understand what you are saying. Isn’t it ironic that the Rep is standing for the little guy. How about some “trickle up” where people are helped at the bottom and the money then goes up to the rich. O is just paying for the foolish act of his rich friends. If not worse.

  66. wrong for this country.
    rgb44hrc Says:
    October 12th, 2008 at 3:04 am
    # turndownobama-com Says:
    October 12th, 2008 at 2:42 am

    henry,

    If you vote straight Republican, they’ll think you ARE a Republican. Better vote for at least a few token Democrats.
    &&&&&&&&&&&

    I doubt anyone looks at how a particular voter votes for each position on a ballot. “Let’s see who Edward J. Smith voted for…”.

    Theoretically, it all goes into a “black box”, and that votes for each position are tabulated from ballts.
    ===================

    I didn’t mean it quite that literally. Of course the voter’s name wouldn’t be known. I’m assuming that statistics would be released saying “X number of ballots were straight GOP; Y number were straight Dem; Z number voted for McCain but had some down-ticket Dems, and on those the downticket Dems who suported HIllary did better than those who supported Obama; etc.”

  67. Hernry : you sound like a wimp needing some savvy in political strategy and reform;Bill and Hillary are doing what is best for their party and many others are supporting them.The Hustler has less targets for his lies and attacks.Hillary will survive for she will rebuild the party and be back.Without the party it would be a futile waste of time and resources.Can you name two other people in the dem party with more political know-how?Be patient and think positively and we can beat this strange and evil fraud that is ounding at the doors of our great country.I am glad that WWII GI’s didn’t have the negative attitude that you seemed to willigly accept.

    “AND TO THINK WE COULD HAVE HAD HILLARY”

    By ABM90 SHE will Return

  68. ABM90
    you said i sounded like a wimp. Made my day. Thankyou. Doesn’t matter either way. I am still laughing. Thankyou again. BRILLIANT!!!

  69. henry, ABM90 and everyone who didn’t respond to your yes/no tally are telling you that hillary is doing what she believes is the right thing to do, she is being proactive. and so is mccain.

    this is not the time to look back and be scared. fight the enemy in the way you know how. to whimper and panic is the best response you can give to obama and his minions.

    toughen up. that is what ABM90 is telling you.

  70. I will vote straight Republican this year out of TOTAL DISGUST!

    Hill 44 people HELP US PASS OUT NOBAMA FLYERS IN KEY STATES…ONE OF OUR SUPPORTERS WILL SEND THEM FREE TO YOU IF YOU ASK!

    I GO DOWN FIGHTING….NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER…….GIVE UP!!!!!!

  71. I MENTIONED TO COME OVER TO HELP PASS OUT FLYERS……AT THE PUMA BLOG SITE……We need help. Flyers will be sent for free to you by one of our supporters.

  72. I come to this site because we all share a common passion. We all wanted (I think)Hillary Clinton to be our president.

    Am I upset that she stands with the democratic party, no. Do I think she knows the only way to make changes in the party is from the inside, yes.

    We lost our party and I believe Hillary is well aware how we feel. But at the same time there are those that still believe democrats have the best overall platform for the American people.

    I do not hold any ill will toward what Hillary is doing, she’s a person of principle and realizes (from much experience) that many will not agree with her.

    I would follow Hillary anywhere except to vote for BHO, and on this I can agree with her to disagree.

  73. Yep, would follow anywhere except into the voting booth for Obama, NO SALE!! I have been reading Bill’s autobiography and Obama is trying his best NOW to reinvent himself as BC. He using the same lines for the exception of the racial crap!! I lived under Bill Clinton and you Obama are NO Bill Clinton and you Michelle you are not even on the same planet as Hillary! LOL! They are Welcome to Socialism club!!

  74. admin,

    BHO released a doctors “note” saying he was in good health but has not released any records for review…on the other hand McCains records have been released and been disected ad nauseum

    just more secrecy by BHO

    Who is BHO?

  75. The Obama campaign released this summary of the senator’s health records on Thursday and does not plan to make additional records available:

    DAVID L. SCHEINER, M.D.

    Hyde Park Associates in Medicine, Ltd.

    1515 East 52nd Place, Chicago, IL 60615

    To Whom It May Concern:

    I am David L. Scheiner, a board certified general internist licensed to practice in the State of Illinois. I am on staff at the University of Chicago Hospitals and Rush University Medical Center. I have been Senator Barack Obama’s primary care physician since March 23, 1987. The following is a summary of his medical records for the past 21 years.

    During that period of time, Senator Obama has been in excellent health. He has been seen regularly for medical checkups and various minor problems such as upper respiratory infections, skin rashes and minor injuries.

    His family history is pertinent for his mother’s death from ovarian cancer and grandfather who died of prostate cancer. His own history included intermittent cigarette smoking. He has quit this practice on several occasions and is currently using Nicorette gum with success.

    Senator Obama’s last medical checkup was on January 15, 2007; he had no complaints. He exercised regularly often jogging three miles. His diet was balanced with good intake of roughage and fluids. A complete review of systems was unremarkable. On physical examination, his blood pressure was 90/60 and pulse 60/minute. His build was lean and muscular with no excess body fat. His physical examination was completely normal.

    Laboratory studies included triglycerides of 44(normal under 150), cholesterol 173 (normal under 200), HDL 68 (normal over 40), and LDL 96 (normal under 130). Chem 24, urinalysis and CBC were normal, PSA was 0.6, very good. An EKG was normal.

    In short, his examination showed him to be in excellent health. Senator Barack Obama is in overall good physical and mental health needed to maintain the resiliency required in the Office of President.

    Sincerely,

    David L. Scheiner, M.D.

  76. HEY, ANI!!!!!

    Actually, i DID give you credit for the post.

    Bottom of the excerpt:

    AMERICANGIRLIN ITALY from NQ!!!!!!

  77. So the dumbed down media has decided that McCain’s audiences are angry. They have decided that McCain’s negativity has caused it. The media doesn’t like the truth. They don’t like that McCain is talking about Obama’s torrid history. And yes they knew all about Wright, Rezko, Ayers, Acorn, etc…etc…etc…a long time ago! Let it go down in the history books that the bought-off media buried the truth about this monster for their own gains. Let it go down in the history books that the bought-off media perpetrated the biggest political swindle of all time!

    Well…………..I sure hope that people’s anger about this crime channels itself into votes for McCain.

    Nobama…Never…Never…Never!

  78. Earlier someone doubted if they knew how we voted. Within the Party, the candidates are given the exact information on how people within the party voted. I found this out when we chose the Delegates, and some people really got pissed off at other because they knew they had not voted for them.

    As far as the state run elections, there is now a data base that they have (Dean put it to gether). It is drawn from the official voting data base, and it does tell you which election that people voted in.

    I know that the ballots are scanned in, and that they know you voted, and they know how you voted, as an individual. I just am not sure how detailed the State information is that is shared with the party.

    I personnelly was shocked that the party information was given in detail to the candidates, names and all.

  79. I sure wish that the media had been at some of our local meetings, and state meetings. The bullying from Os group that went on was terrible.

    I personnely think that McCains crowds have a right to get angry.

    Our Democracy is being stolen.

  80. NewMexicoFan Says:
    October 12th, 2008 at 9:21 am

    I personnelly was shocked that the party information was given in detail to the candidates, names and all.

    ——-

    this has been going on as long as there has been a database. the other thing that might get up you sleeve…

    any organization that can show just cause for having these records can get them..that includes most political organizations, union and others.

    Sometimes they are shared with others to assist in the targeting of voters.

    Sure laws are in place to protect us from unscrupulous use but…the cops cant be everywhere can they?

  81. sorry guys,

    I’m PO’d that a poster from another blog accused me of not giving them credit when i did.

    we have enough obot behavior without people on the same side attacking one another with those tactics.

    😡

  82. henry Says:

    October 12th, 2008 at 3:13 am
    I’d never say I loved her but a few months back I respected her. Not so much anymore as I kind of like my country and i don’t believe she has its best interests at heart by supporting obama.

    _________________________________________________________________________________________
    Henry, i know how you feel. I busted my butt off working for Hillary during the primary. I will never ever do that again. No more working for any candidate i am done.

    When i see a person putting a no good person over his or her country i begin to question that person. I know everyone is saying she had to or she would have got beaten up in the media and her party. She got beaten up anyway. I was always told to stand up for what i believed in. No matter the backlash.

    She don’t need this, she has plenty of money to stand up for what she believed in. She want starved to death.

    Please don’t be mad at me, this is just how i feel

  83. if anyone thinks that the economy sucks just ask BIG MEDIA what they are going to do with their $4 billion spent by the campaigns on advertising this year!!!

  84. Debbie

    I know most people do not understand how their personnel vote information is being shared. They think that you go in vote, and no one knows how you vote.

    Too bad the media is not pursuing things like this.

    Again in Iraq you get the purple finger. I don’t think they know how you voted. I would assume not, as it looks like you are handed a slip of paper and just mark it.

    Our sophistication is beginning to erode our Democracy.

  85. neetabug
    thankyou thankyou thankyou
    your words were a much needed balm to my soul
    I compared the people on the planes from 9/11 to americans who have compassion and that we get fucked for doing as such and it didn’t go over well

  86. basil9,

    You offer us a lot of good information regardless who writes it. It is appropriate at times to give the credit but this is a post and most of us repeat what we hear elsewhere anyway without giving credit to the source.

    Basil9 dont “let” them control how you feel.
    move on to something more important…not them surely.

  87. you’re right but since he/she went to the trouble of posting the complaint twice, on the previous thread and this one, i wanted to respond because it is a LIE! if you go to the 6:24 post from yesterday you will clearly see i have given credit.

    pisses me the f*** off. We have enough friggin prima donnas in this friggin race without jumping all over one another particularly when it’s not TRUE!!!!!

    ok, ok – i’m going out for the day to the local oktoberfest.

    thanks for responding, deb.

  88. for the record

    working for hillary clinton during the primary was an honor and a privilege. i do not regret it, nor would i trade it for anything. i would do it again in a heartbeat.

    now, off to enjoy this beautiful new england autumn day! 🙂

  89. Henry, I supported HRC in the primaries because I believed she was the best candidate to lead our country forward. Nothing since then has changed my opinion one bit.

    So yes, I would (and do!) support HRC, despite her forced support of Obama.

  90. I’ve had it. I am sick of this media twisting everything. Why are we mad? There are a variety of reasons, and it’s just. I am organizing a media blitz and I am asking each of you to email someone why you are angry. There is a quick reference list on hillaryclintonforum.net of media outlets and another quick reference list on that forum with every newspaper in the country, listed by state.

    You may all have your own lists from emailing for Hillary. Please, join me…subject line: MAD ASS HELL!

  91. HERE ARE SOME ADDRESSES TO GET YOU STARTED.

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  92. I understand the concern which a number of you have expressed over Hillary’s increasingly strident support for a candidate who is potentially a death wish for our nation. I have tried to rationalize those concerns myself and defended her actions from time to time on this blog. I have pointed out that they are standard practice in this kind of situation, emphasized the pressure she is under, and saw them as a way of supporting colleagues and rising stars. But I also believe there is more to it and that is her business.

    That said, the very qualities we admired in Hillary during the campaign are not in evidence now. She is supporting too stridently a man who tried to destroy her and would do incalculable damage to our country. That is troubling to those of us who say her as a role model and someone we could look to as a source of truth. As I said before she has lost her voice. And much of what we hear now is about the issues is ignored by her party and what she says about Obama is not worth listening to.

    But it is premature to make any definitive assessment right now. Believe me. The best thing we can do at this point is to stay with her. Let this thing play out and then see where we stand. The current moral imperative is clear. DEFEND FREEDOM-DEFEAT OBAMA.

  93. wbboei,

    I am not in Hillary’s shoes. I have no idea just how much pressure she is under, how tight the noose is for her to support this idiot.

    For this reason alone, I am giving her a pass. Her answer regarding being a part of his cabinet said it all for me.

  94. wbboei Says:

    October 12th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    I will no longer stand with Hillary and I feel betrayed by her. I don’t really care her ‘reasons’ for selling us down the river with the Fraud. She had an opportunity to save this Country from this impeding doom if he gets in and she did not. She has raised 10,000,000 dollars for the Fraud and is out the in PA with BC campaigning daily for him People ARE being swayed by her support. “If Hillary supports him, i will”.

    I gave tons of $ and most importantly my precious time supporting her. Believing in her. She knows how dangerous he will be for our Country. I will NEVER forgive her…

  95. UnLadyLike Says:

    October 12th, 2008 at 8:29 am
    ((((((((((((((((((

    I have been making my own, but would love to see them and use them…

  96. gonzotx Says:

    October 12th, 2008 at 11:55 am
    wbboei Says:
    ————————————-
    please be careful how you copy and paste things on this site. Your positing above makes it appear that your words are mine. I am still with Hillary. As I told her by letter I will always support her but Obama is a bridge too far.

  97. wbboei,

    I am not in Hillary’s shoes. I have no idea just how much pressure she is under, how tight the noose is for her to support this idiot.

    For this reason alone, I am giving her a pass. Her answer regarding being a part of his cabinet said it all for me.
    —————————————–
    Jan- my comments were addressed to those who are having doubts. They are torn between a perceived loyalty to Hillary and a perceived loyalty to country. Normally, there would be no conflict between the two, but when she and Bill give unqualified support to someone as bad as Obama their reaction is at least understandable. I was trying to counsel patience and perhaps some of my own frustrations came through as well. I think your outlook is the right one. I just hope it leads to the right result.

  98. I like Sarah Palin. I don’t like how the Democratic? Taliban Party is trying to destroy Palin and her family. She is a conservative but this all out assult on her because she has a different point of view then the Democratic? Taliban Party…not her true record as a mayor, oil and gas regulator or Governor she has run very honest administrations where the people voices have been the dominate influences.

    I don’t think or find she is evil or filled with hate..I actually like the woman and admire her tenacity and courage to put up with the abuse this woman has put up with against all kind of attacks from Obama, DNC and supporters in the media.

    I don’t like how some of Obama supporters that it would be alright to belittle my religious faith either. If they can’t see the difference between Rev. Wright politicizing at the pulpit vs a regular pray service at a church…then that tells me a lot about how they view me.

  99. I have lost interest in defending Hillary at this point. My only goal and fervent hope now is that this dishonorable man gets defeated soundly (I don’t care by whom.) Towards that end, I hope that Hillary and Bill campaigning for him does not get any more votes but it probably does and how would I react to that — maybe some anger toward the Clintons.

  100. Analysis: Nader targets disaffected Clinton votersBy MICHAEL GORMLEY | Associated Press Writer
    October 11, 2008

    ALBANY, N.Y. – Ralph Nader, the guy some Democrats still love to hate for his 2000 presidential bid they feel gave George Bush the presidency, is nonetheless hoping to attract Democrats and independents whose hearts were broken again when Hillary Rodham Clinton lost the nomination.

    The consumer advocate is taking his independent campaign for president to New York next week, where he hopes to show in statewide stops that in a presidential season where “change” is the mantra, he’s the only one with the credentials to claim it.

    “Oh!” Clinton said in Albany Tuesday, laughing at the thought of Nader drawing hordes of angry Clinton supporters. “We’ve seen that movie. It doesn’t have a good ending.”

    The way Nader National Campaign Coordinator Jason Kafoury sees it, a collapsing Wall Street gives his guy a stage, and Clinton’s loss gives him a ready audience.

    Most others are like Steven Greenberg of the Siena College poll. He scoffed that Nader would be lucky if he gets 2 percent of New York’s vote on Nov. 4.

    Barack Obama’s too hot. New York is too blue.

    “I don’t think rank-and-file Democrats even remember Ralph Nader ran for president in 2000,” Greenberg said.

    In this year’s campaign, Nader is known mostly for not being invited to things: Televised debates, candidate forums, editorial boards, press interviews.

    But conventional wisdom never had much pull with Nader, whose unlikely victims over 30 years include General Motors, the nuclear power industry, and corporate America.

    Now, against the odds, he’s counting on attracting the disaffected vote in strong showings in New York and California, the biggest of the 45 states where he’s on ballots.

    He’s counting on his sharp contrast to the major parties’ support of bailouts for Wall Street, just as Democratic nominee Barack Obama and Republican nominee John McCain debate each other again Wednesday.

    “What better messenger than Ralph now to be a leader of `jail time not bail time?”‘ Kafoury asked.

    The White House? Corporate owned. The major parties? Failures. War? It’s waged by corporate as well as military forces. Taking on Wall Street before it slams Main Street? He practically invented it.

    A protest is planned for Wall Street after Nader hits Cooper Union college in Manhattan on Wednesday for a speech before the televised debates on Long Island.

    “I think there’s certainly more support for Nader this time than four years ago,” said Frank MacKay, chairman of New York’s Independence Party. However, even his minor party of 335,000 members, many of them dissatisfied former Republicans and Democrats, passed over Nader in September to endorse McCain.

    “The purist vote would go to Nader, and I think there are certainly more people out there that are going to see him as an option,” Mackay said. “Hillary and Bill Clinton may be supporting Obama, but their supporters don’t.”

    He also sees a potential defensive vote going for Nader.

    “A President Obama means there will never be a President Hillary Clinton,” he said. “For those waiting for another President Clinton … Ralph is an outlet for them.”

    The Obama camp is hardly worried.

    A Siena College poll this month found Obama leading McCain 58 percent to 36 percent and surging. National Democrat figure New York’s 31 electoral votes are a lock.

    “We’re proud to have the overwhelming support of New Yorkers, and are continuing to work hard through Nov. 4, when we’re confident the state will hand Sen. Obama a significant victory,” said Blake Zeff, spokesman for Obama’s New York campaign.

    At 74, Nader still uses the same vocabulary of hand-scrawled protest signs as he did 30 years ago.

    “Someone once said,” he told “Meet the Press” host Tim Russert in February, “the only true aging is the erosion of one’s ideals.”

    http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny–nader-ny-analysis1011oct11,0,2428408.story

  101. birdgal,

    I believe she stated that she thought she would be more useful to the people of New York that she serves.

  102. Texas: Is Cornyn Still Safe?

    By Hastings Wyman
    Southern Political Report

    October 8, 2008 —US Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) has a history of tepid approval numbers which, considering that he’s stayed out of controversy and voted the wishes of his Lone Star constituents, suggests he’s more of an unknown figure than an unpopular one. The former state Supreme Court justice is sober, serious and effective, but he is not colorful, politically or personally, in the tradition of such Texas politicians as Lyndon Johnson or John Tower.

    The latest independent survey, taken in late September by Rasmussen Reports, showed Cornyn with a 50%-to-43% lead over his Democratic opponent, five-term state Rep. Rick Noriega (D). Cornyn’s seven-point lead and his failure to poll over 50% are not particularly impressive for an incumbent, especially since he’s down from an 11-point lead in August.

    But Cornyn is not without assets, chiefly among them financial ones. Early in the campaign, he assembled a top-flight fundraising team, which has kept his re-election effort rolling in dough. Cornyn has released numbers showing that as of September 30, he had $7.23 million cash on hand. He is now airing his fourth television spot and has plenty of cash to keep’em coming.

    By contrast, Noriega had $916,000 on hand at mid-year and has not released his total as of September 30. His campaign, however, has announced that he raised more than $1 million during the 3rd Quarter. Hillary Clinton recently endorsed Noriega and headlined a fundraiser for him in McAllen, hosted by a long-time Clinton money man. Noriega has yet to go on television, although he has launched some videos on the Internet (he’s long been a favorite among liberal Texas bloggers). He does have an appealing resume. He’s a veteran of the war in Iraq and a lieutenant colonel in the Texas Army National Guard. He hails from Houston, where his wife is on the city council.

    “The conventional wisdom here is that Noriega’s campaign has pretty much collapsed,” says Harvey Kronberg, editor of the Quorum Report, an Austin-based newsletter. “When you poll in South Texas, where the name Noriega should have some resonance, it doesn’t move the needle.”

    Cornyn and Noriega have clashed on some key issues. Cornyn is a strong advocate of a border fence to help curb illegal immigration, a project that is popular in the counties adjacent to Mexico. As a result, the Republican incumbent has been endorsed by a number of South Texas politicos, including some Democrats and Hispanics. Noriega is strongly opposed to the fence, which on balance hurts more than helps him.

    On another major issue, Cornyn voted for the Bush $700 billion “bail-out” or rescue plan, while Noriega has attacked it. If the plan appears to work in the month remaining to Election Day, Cornyn should benefit. If, however, the nation’s economy continues its steep decline, Noriega — along with other Democrats — should gain. “Right now,” says Kronberg, “Texas feels immune to what’s happening in the rest of the country, but if that changes, it could help Noriega.” The thinking is that while Barack Obama will lose Texas, Noriega would still benefit from an economically driven surge for Obama. Although Texas is not in play in the presidential election, Obama has a strong ground organization here, which has conducted voter registration drives in the state’s major cities.

    Indeed, “there has been a blip in the polls for Obama, lifting down-ballot Democrats,” says a long time Austin observer of Texas politics, but “I just can’t imagine less than a low double-digit win for McCain, and more for Cornyn.” He adds, “Cornyn is ramping up his television while Noriega is not raising any money. And I don’t see any [yard] sign activity for Noriega, or anything like that.”

    SPR rates the Texas Senate race Likely — but not Safe — Republican.

    http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/storylink_108_610.aspx

  103. Mark Patinkin: I was wrong about Hillary Clinton
    01:00 AM EDT on Sunday, October 12, 2008

    I have something to say to Hillary Clinton.

    I’m sorry.

    I wasn’t a fan when she ran against Obama. I wrote columns saying so.

    I take it back. Or at least I sympathize.

    I sympathize because she must be looking at Sarah Palin thinking, “How is this happening?”

    Clinton came within inches of making history, fighting a valiant, multi-year battle, earning respect, even among critics, as a master of policy. But who, instead, may be the first woman elected into the White House? Someone who winks at debates and couldn’t name a newspaper she regularly reads.

    I’m sure 500 angry e-mails are now heading my way because things are so polarized that even a slight negative comment about Palin gets people hating on me. I’ll admit, Palin did better in the debate than I expected, and certainly deserves credit for becoming governor. But when you picture a possible first woman president, I’m surprisingly thinking: Shouldn’t it have been Hillary Clinton?

    I guess it took Palin to make me see that.

    My questioning of Hillary Clinton goes back years. I was never comfortable with her as the president’s wife taking an office in the West Wing and running health care, but you know what? She had impressive gumption to feel she could do state dinners and critical policy.

    Later, I didn’t love it when she left her duties as First Lady to run for the U.S. Senate. But looking back, that, too, took resolve, and the strength to challenge tradition. She could also have sought an easier Senate seat, perhaps waiting for an opportunity in Arkansas where she would have been a slam-dunk. Instead, Clinton ran in New York, the toughest of political arenas — and against the formidable Rudy Giuliani, no less. He dropped out for health reasons, but she didn’t know that when she signed up.

    As for myself and others saying that she didn’t rise on her own, merely following her husband to Arkansas and the White House, well, she earned that Senate seat. And perhaps more relevant today, she dominated a field of a dozen veteran male Democrats to almost win a major party nomination. No woman in either party has come close to that. And she did it through almost superhuman discipline and energy as a candidate.

    But after all that, someone who winks during debates gets a free pass in the home-stretch as the torchbearer for making history for women.

    I could see Clinton accepting it if it was at least someone with gravitas like Condi Rice. But Sarah Palin? –– who as Republican nominee didn’t know what the Bush Doctrine is?

    I don’t know how this is happening either, Hillary.

    I imagine more e-mails are now heading my way saying I’m a fool and hypocrite because Obama doesn’t have much experience either.

    But Obama earned his way onto the ticket through a year of debates, primaries and scrutiny, outgunning all rivals. Joe Biden, too, has been tested by decades in office and two presidential runs. Certainly, John McCain is unequaled in his experience as a national figure. Sarah Palin? She was parachuted in as a Hail-Mary pass. She has made peculiar statements that would have gotten male candidates — and Clinton— laughed offstage. When speaking off the cuff, her sentences make almost no grammatical sense.

    Yet people love her. Folks are saying she’s the woman they’ve been looking for.

    Hillary, I don’t get it either.

    I understand that it’s in part about ideology — as long as Palin’s a true conservative, which she is, she’ll be adored as the party’s potential savior. I suppose it’s about likability, too, and Palin is an engaging every-mom who uses Main Street phrases like “you betcha.”

    To which Clinton must be thinking, “This is the White House, not Miss Congeniality.”

    Then there are the byes Palin seems to get. If Clinton made the slightest misstep, people like me piled on, but Palin winks her way out of trouble. It must make Clinton crazy, and I don’t blame her.

    She must be thinking: Doesn’t a lifetime of mastering policy, and enacting it, count?

    I wish it did

    But what apparently counts more are the beauty contest skills of reciting a few feel-good lines, keeping a sunny front and beaming through hard questions that you answer with non-responsive stock slogans.

    Hillary, having written critically of you in the past, I now have this to say.

    Whatever your flaws, you’ve truly earned the scars and credentials of a potential woman president.

    Sarah Palin has not.

    It’s just not fair.

    http://www.projo.com/extra/election/content/Mark12_10-12-08_7MBSA9S_v21.2540b8f.html
    *****************************************************
    This Kool-aid drinker is still making excusing for Obama’s lack of experience but he did say I’m sorry to Hillary Clinton because his worst nightmare Palin has changed his mind.

    Oh the power of women is here to stay. What the Democratic? Taliban Party fail to see it that Palin is a Republican star who will be around for a long time.

    Get use to seeing her around the national scene…because if if wasn’t for Palin this woudn’t be such a close fight. Even this media man recognize this…even if he doesn’t want to.

  104. Obama Supporters Look To Hillary Clinton To Energize Arkansas Voters
    Last updated Thursday, October 9, 2008 8:11 PM CDT in News
    By John Lyon
    THE MORNING NEWS

    LITTLE ROCK — Democratic leaders in Arkansas are looking to today’s visit by Hillary Clinton to boost support for Barack Obama in a state where Republican John McCain has held a consistent lead in voter polls.

    The New York senator and former first lady is scheduled to appear at a 5 p.m. rally on the steps of the state Capitol. Sen. Blanche Lincoln, Gov. Mike Beebe and state Democratic Party Chairman David Pryor are expected to appear with Clinton, according to Darinda Sharp, spokeswoman for the state party.

    Clinton also is scheduled to attend a fundraiser after the rally at the home of Kaki Hockersmith and Max Mehlberger.

    “She’s here to encourage people to vote for Sen. Barack Obama to become the next president and to support the entire Democratic ticket,” Sharp said. “We want to get people energized about the election, get them to turn out and vote for the Democrats.”

    Polls conducted in Arkansas early in the year typically showed McCain leading Obama by 15 points or more in hypothetical matchups. A poll by the University of Central Arkansas in March showed McCain with 43 percent and Obama with 27 percent. In May, a Rasmussen poll showed McCain with 57 percent and Obama with 39 percent.

    A June Rasmussen poll showed McCain with a nine-point lead over Obama in the state, with 48 percent to the Illinois senator’s 39 percent. A July Rasmussen poll showed McCain with a 10-point lead, and a September poll by American Research Group gave McCain a 12-point advantage.

    In an interview last week, 1st District Rep. Marion Berry, D-Gillett, said the polling data predates recent events that may have changed the way some people view McCain.

    “The events of the last two weeks I think have changed a lot of minds. I know a lot of people that I have talked to, and I’ve talked to a lot in the last two weeks … you’re hearing an awful lot of people that have seen the light,” Berry said.

    On Sept. 24, McCain announced he was suspending his campaign and going to Washington to take part in Wall Street bailout negotiations. He asked for cancellation of the first scheduled debate with Obama on Sept. 26 but ended up participating.

    “I know that on Capitol Hill it was not well received, what he did, and I don’t think it was by the American people. I don’t think he demonstrated any stability or the kind of actions that we need right now,” Berry said.

    Gov. Mike Beebe said he has not talked to anyone personally who has switched to supporting Obama, but he said national polls show growing support for the Democratic nominee, and that likely means some in Arkansas are shifting to Obama as well.

    “It’s Wall Street and all of those things that have been going on, whether it’s (ailing bank) Wachovia, whether it’s any of the buyouts or bailouts in the credit markets or in the financial community. I think it’s just one hit after another that’s got people concerned,” Beebe said.

    Dennis Milligan, chairman of the state Republican Party, said Thursday the GOP has done unpublished polling within the last two weeks that shows McCain still holding a comfortable two-digit lead in Arkansas.

    “McCain is obviously more in touch with Arkansas than Obama, and that will surely be evident at the ballot box in November regardless of a visit by Hillary Clinton,” he said.

    Milligan said the suggestion that McCain showed instability in connection with the economic crisis is “nonsensical.”

    “He said to all of us, ‘I am putting my country first, and this is not about me being elected president.’ I think that’s just an example of his true leadership — not instability, but in fact stability,” Milligan said.

    http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2008/10/09/news/101008lrhillaryvisit.txt

  105. The frustration that we feel at the Clintons is natural. But Hillary gave her word at the beginning that she would fully support the Dem candidate. She is keeping her word which is more than most politicians ever do, esp. O.

    As for the “Troopergate” coverage which is execrable, the question I still have never heard posed, is “Why WASN’T the trooper fired?”

  106. wbboei Says:

    October 12th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
    gonzotx Says:

    October 12th, 2008 at 11:55 am
    wbboei Says:
    ————————————-
    please be careful how you copy and paste things on this site. Your positing above makes it appear that your words are mine. I am still with Hillary. As I told her by letter I will always support her but Obama is a bridge too far.
    (((((((((((((((

    SORRY… THEY WERE MY WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND I STAND BY THEM!

  107. Carbynew: I would love to ring the neck of that disingenous bastard Patakein or whatever his name is. Thank you for saving me the trouble. He is a worthless bastard.

  108. That Mark nobody’s apology/no apology is disgusting. He wants to presume he knows what Hillary is thinking. All these Hillary haters now trying to sell their Palin hate through apologies like this are disgusting. It is not Palin that is the problem, it is people like him that are the problem. His stupid apology does not erase it.

  109. gonzotx Says:

    October 12th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
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    thanks gonzotx.

    Under normal circumsances I would support Noriega financially. I have a high regard for Texas Hispanics, he is someone Hillary is fond of and I am fond of Hillary.

    But when I consider the prospect of an Obama presidency, I worry about giving him a veto proof majority in congress, and that concern weighs heavily against supporting any democrat for congress. If I thought this could help reform the party I would feel differently, but I do not.

    Today, Obama rules the party and all opposition to him has collapsed. I never want to see the same thing happen to our country. That concern will dicated my choices in congressional races.

    Typically people do not realize their liberty is gone until it is too late. That is what I see happening here.

    So once again, I am conflicted. We will know alot more in the next couple weeks.

    DEFEND FREEDOM. DEFEAT OBAMA.

  110. correction: I meant control of congress rather than a veto proof majority. I do not think the republicans can achieve a 60 seats in the senate.

  111. That Mark nobody’s apology/no apology is disgusting. He wants to presume he knows what Hillary is thinking. All these Hillary haters now trying to sell their Palin hate through apologies like this are disgusting. It is not Palin that is the problem, it is people like him that are the problem. His stupid apology does not erase it.
    ——————————————-
    which is why I say he is a worthless bastard.

  112. Personally, I am in distress about:
    -Hillary and Bill shilling for nObama, but will try to keep an open mind
    -McCain shilling for nObama saying we need not fear him as President – has he been learning the same things re nObama that we have????????????
    -no October surprise
    -527s not taking out nObama themselves

    Debbie said above that Hillary is working to change from the inside. That is exactly what Hillary stated in her book “Living History.” However, that was pre-Obama and the New Democratic Socialist Party coup.I know not what Hillary knows right now, but I can see clearly that change from the INSIDE is not possible. The DNC/Pelosi/Reid/Brazile/Dean group has already changed the Democratic Party from the inside. It is not the new Democratic Socialist Party and they kicked our a$$es out stating that we were part of the ‘old’ coalition, remember?

  113. Correction:
    It is NOW the new Democratic Socialist Party and they kicked our a$$es out stating that we were part of the ‘old’ coalition, remember?

  114. Several points:

    1. Truly believe that World Bank security breeches combined with inside DNC coup over past several years (one and the same?) and Ayers’ orchestration/involvement have leveled “terrorism” on this country without firing a shot – the implosion of our economy from within was a conspiracy involving the radical left-wing to easily usher in socialism, only too eager to oblige by European Markets, Middle East, Far East. Putin also has fingerprints all over this. This is the greatest mastermind plot unraveling in the history of the world, and even Spielberg would have to make this into a miniseries of movies, the plot is so thick and intertwined. Espionage exponentially realized.

    2. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, where us peasants – people clinging to their guns and religion – have been toiling day in and out to keep this country (that just gave us the shaft) afloat – we find out that Philip J. Berg’s lawsuit to force BHO to prove his citizenship, rightful birthplace – has been countered by every stall tactic known to man. Not only that, but Barry AND the DNC (which willingly moved its HQ right smack dab into the middle of Daley’s Chicago Combine and working in true conspiracy consort with the Ayers’ Terrorist Mob) have hired Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakhan’s attorney – Lavelle – to fight producing official documents that should be required of ANY person seeking the Presidency. Farrakhan – who donned BHO “The Messiah” days ago, is ready to lead the NOI all the way to the Supreme Court.

    BTW – CHECK OUT BERG’S YOUTUBE “OCTOBER SURPRISE” AND SEND TO ALL YOU KNOW. THE HIGHER THE HITS THE BETTER.

    3. WE THE PEOPLE……remember that? If ANYBODY takes to the streets rioting – IT SHOULD BE THE PATRIOTS OF THIS COUNTRY WHO HAVE WATCHED THIS COUNTRY IMPLODE OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS….WHAT THE HELL ARE WE WAITING FOR?!? WE’VE WATCHED THE FIRST AMENDMENT DIMINISHED IN HALF – SO I GUESS WE’LL POLITELY WAIT UNTIL THE LAST HALF IS GONE (SPEAKING OF FREEDOM TO BLOG) THEN THEY’LL TAKE AWAY THE SECOND AMENDMENT STARTING JAN 20, 2009 – WHICH WE’VE ALREADY HAD A GLIMPSE OF!

    4. FINALLY – I have just three words for McCain/Palin and the Republican Administration:

    WAG THE DOG !!!!!!!!!!!!

    (Cheney, Oh Cheney…are ya listenin’? Israel, Oh Israel – are ya listenin’?)

    AGAIN: WAG THE DOG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  115. “A President Obama means there will never be a President Hillary Clinton,” he said. “For those waiting for another President Clinton … Ralph is an outlet for them.”
    ——————————————–
    The statement is right in the first instance and wrong in the second. If we want Hillary in 2012, we must never vote for bambi, and voting for Nader is like staying home– a half measure. The surefire answer is to vote for McCain.

    MCCAIN IN 2008=HILLARY IN 2012

  116. I don’t like what I said earlier about continuing my support of Hillary. While I will always love and support her, my respect for her has been diminished by her shilling for nObama. This is no ordinary election. This election will change the way the citizens are governed forever without fighting and winning anothe revolutionary war. In my humble opinion, Obama will change our governance and make us a totalitarian state. I have no doubt. If nObama steals the general election, it will be partly due to the shilling that Bill and Hillary Clinton did for him – and that I can not accept. If Obama does not steal the election then I will have verification that the Clinton supporters saw through the charade during the campaign. Better for the Clintons to be silent now, than to help elect an nObama.
    It is still imprinted on my brain how those thugs escorted Hillary to the mike to GIVE away the delegates that our votes earned for her.It was like Gestapo – a prisoner being escorted. Did anyone else see this scene this way?

  117. ShortTermer Says:

    October 12th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
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    yes, we all did.

  118. This week has been the lowest ever since the last 16 months for me.

    I have always admired John Lewis…

    BUT Today I despise him for his words….

    I will never ever support him again ever….

    He earned his position in the 60s; he lost it this week in 2008.

  119. mp: you are right. I was told he saw a holy vision that told him to change his support from hillary to bambi. That did it for me. Whatever he says now does not have much credence.

  120. From MSNBC today: “Headless cockroach lives
    Legend says they’d survive a nuclear blast. But live without a head? And for how long? A day, a week — even longer?” (picture included).
    ——————————————
    It is called a Claire McCaskill.

  121. I aplogize to any cockroach who may have been offended by the above comparison.

    Concerning McCaskill two items from yesterday. First, it appears she sought legislation to change eligibility requirements to make bambi eligible to run and failed. Second, ACORN supported her candidacy in Missori, and failed to pay the ground troops. People like Claire have no business in govenment. Seems like her husband was an attorney and committed suicide before or after their divorce. He was a lucky lawyer/

  122. Mo. Gov. Blunt criticizes McCaskill over ACORN
    Marshall Griffin, KWMU
    JEFFERSON CITY, MO

    A political skirmish has erupted over news that some members of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) may have been duplicating voter registration forms in the Kansas City area.

    At a recent Barack Obama campaign event in Kansas City, Missouri Senator Claire McCaskill said that any ACORN member that duplicated forms should not be paid for their work.

    “The number of people that have been registered in Missouri this year, the vast majority of them have been registered by people like the people standing behind me, who have volunteered their time to go out and register new voters…you’re going to have thousands of people vote for the first time in Missouri, and we should be celebrating that, not criticizing it,” McCaskill said.

    But Governor Matt Blunt (R) is accusing McCaskill of not taking registration fraud seriously.

    “Senator McCaskill’s response (is) that registration fraud isn’t nearly (as) significant as voter fraud, and that perhaps this had all been blown out of proportion…I think registration fraud is very serious,” Blunt said.

    Meanwhile, Laura Egerdal, Director of Communications for Secretary of State Robin Carnahan, says the system is working.

    “Anyone who submits a false voter registration form is going to be caught before Election Day…that voter is not going to be placed on the rolls, and that’s (going to) make sure our Election Day is secure,” Egerdal said.

    Egerdal also says the Secretary of State’s office has no tolerance for any attempt to undermine Missouri’s election system.

    publicbroadcasting.net/kwmu/news.newsmain?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=1385887&sectionID=1

  123. wbboei:

    So he committed suicide, eh? In psych nursing, learn there’s a very thin line between suicide/homicide. Looks like she was the lucky one, not her attorney husband.

  124. McCaskill’s edge

    I mentioned a few days ago that Missouri Senator Claire McCaskill’s mild affect masks a bit of a killer, and that she’s perhaps the Obama campaign’s deftest surrogate on the attack.

    But I was still kind of amused by her brief interaction with Mitt Romney in the press file just now.

    McCaskill was stepping out of her chair at the end of an MSNBC interview, and Romney was up next. She and a staffer unplugged her various wires, and she handed Romney the earpiece the guests use to hear the host.

    “I spit on this before I put it in,” she said to Romney, with a sweet smile.

    UPDATE: Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom emails: “You should have seen what she did to the chair.”

    UPDATE: McCaskill spokeswoman Maria Speiser says the exchange began when Romney said, “You don’t have an ear infection, do you?” and that McCaskill was joking back in response.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/McCaskills_edge.html

  125. Any registrant of fraudulent voters should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. VOTERS who registered OVER ONCE – should be apprehended – on the spot – when attempting to vote fraudulently, handcuffed and hauled away.

    PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

    ARREST AND PROSECUTE TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW.

  126. Only remedy to jolt Patriotic zombies – affected by months of Obamabots sabotaging their efforts – into action?

    What will it take to inspire ho-hum status quo pin-heads into GOTV?

    1. Watch YouTube’s “October Surprise” about Berg’s lawsuit (Starts out I Invented the Internet)

    2. Watch Farrakhan’s YouTube (NOI and Farrakhan attorney is representing BHO and the DNC in fighting producing of documentation proving birth status and citizenship) calling BHO The Messiah.

    3. WAG THE DOG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! International crisis is the only thing that will remind mindless and cowardly Independents – and the few moderate-thinking uncommitted Democrats and Dimocrats that McCain must be in charge when nuclear missiles being fired a real and imminent danger. DUH……………………

  127. hi everyone, hope everyone is good. i am not allowing myself to get depressed by this election, cant afford it… i change the channel, or avoid articles, and conversations, involving this election.

    i am disillusioned by bill and hill, and i cant forgive what they’ve done, in tipping the scales in obama’s favor, and i believe they have. but its pointless to keep tripping on the whole thing, damage done, as they say…

    i’m tired of waiting for the dirt on obama, i just dont believe anymore… anyway, just checking in. glad to see you all are good… hey admin, enjoy your writing.

  128. shenanigans Says: I’ve had it. I am sick of this media twisting everything. Why are we mad? There are a variety of reasons, and it’s just. I am organizing a media blitz
    =====================

    Sending this by email to the media staff might tie up their emails, but the way to get more widely noticed is to say it in COMMENT STRINGS that the public will get to read.

    For direct links to current comment strings, see
    h t t p : / / justsaynodeal.com/dailydos.html
    h t t p : / / groups.google.com/group/pumaresponders-lite/topics

    Or to get these links by email subscribe to PumaResponders.com

    The following are links at at justsaynodeal.com
    # BREAKING: AMERICA May Not Have A
    President ‘Til 10 Days AFTER ELEX!
    # Ficticious Donors Found in Obama Records
    # Mac Jumps to 7-point lead in Indiana
    # Mac Hammers Away @ Obama & Ayers
    # Veiled Racism”…Here We Go Again!
    # Mac Needs Hillary!
    # Dallas: In Florida, Palin keeps up attacks!
    # Reuters Poll: Obama just 2 Points over Mac
    # PA: Dem Group Backing McCain
    # Cindy McCain: Obama Campaign “Dirtiest
    Campaign” in History

  129. So he committed suicide, eh? In psych nursing, learn there’s a very thin line between suicide/homicide. Looks like she was the lucky one, not her attorney husband
    ————————————–
    It would appear that the made a selfish choice. He is free of her but for now at least the rest of us are not.

  130. janh said: Her answer regarding being a part of his cabinet said it all for me
    ===============

    Yes, I especially liked the part about representing 19 million. 🙂

    I’m avoiding reading or hearing anything the Clintons say right now. If I do get a snippet of it, I email info@hillaryclinton.com with a line or two saying they’re hurting their own credibility with it.

  131. alcina Says:

    October 12th, 2008 at 10:28 am
    for the record

    working for hillary clinton during the primary was an honor and a privilege. i do not regret it, nor would i trade it for anything. i would do it again in a heartbeat.

    _____________________________________________________________________________________

    For me never ever will i work in another campaign. Done, Done, Done.
    No donations, nothing.

    I can’t take all the lies, you say one thing then do another. You know when there is something not right with a candidate yet you support them just for party sake.

    So when Hillary says something about O, and we have heard her talking against him before, what is the truth? I am starting to not trust her or any candidate. I guess the old saying all politcians are liars are true. Believe you me this election has proved it.

  132. Obama Thugs Attempt to Torch McCain Supporter House

    With all the fiery rhetoric coming from the Obama campaign about the nastiness of McCain supporters you might imagine that Obama supporters are just the nicest people in the whole wide world. But you would be wrong. As it turns out, the Obama supporters actually have a history of taking violent action and potentially life endangering actions against McCain supporters. I wonder what John Lewis things of that?

    Pair arrested after large McCain sign torched in Sellwood yard

    Authorities have arrested two men after a Molotov cocktail was thrown at a 4-foot by 8-foot campaign sign for Republican presidential candidate John McCain in a southeast Portland yard.

    Bill Ayers would be proud of these bomb throwers. But the family that had this unprovoked attack thrust upon them don’t feel that way at all.

    The Scruttons worried that their home could have caught on fire.

    “Our whole house could have burnt down,” Karen Scrutton said while thanking her neighbor for intervening.

    And what was it that John Lewis, turncoat Obama apologist, said about supporters of John McCain and Sarah Palin?

    Civil Rights Icon Compares McCain to Segregationist Gov. George Wallace

    “George Wallace never threw a bomb. He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights,” Lewis added. “Because of this atmosphere of hate, four little girls were killed on Sunday morning when a church was bombed in Birmingham, Alabama.”

    Yes, Representative Turncoat Lewis, George Wallace never threw a bomb. But the terrorist folks that are supporting your guy Obarky sure did. And they got caught. Where is your outrage now?

    Still waiting on that response.

    Enough of the real thugs.

    NObama! NO DEAL!

    paganpower.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/obama-thugs-attempt-to-torch-mccain-supporter-house/

  133. do I beleve BHO is/was bisexual yes
    do I believe BHO used drugs within the last 10 years yes
    do I believe BHO will say and do anything to promote himself, yes
    do I beleive BHO is a back stabber, yes
    do I believe BHO harbors anti-American sentiment, yes
    do I believe BHO uses race as a divisive tool, yes
    do I believe BHO is a liar, thief, cheat, yes
    do I believe BHO can’t remember people in his past because they are all shady characters, yes
    do I believe BHO was closer to Ayers, and Rezko than he lets on, yes
    do I believe BHO has undisclosed health issues, yes
    do I believe BHO will be a robot of the DNC, yes

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    do I believe BHO should be president…HELL NO

  134. WBBOEI!!!!!!!!

    LMFAO!!!!!!!!

    “It would appear that the made a selfish choice. He is free of her but for now at least the rest of us are not.”

    thanks for that. this place is too friggin’ touch lately.

  135. Axelrod rejects comparison between McCain and George Wallace
    By Sam Youngman
    Posted: 10/12/08 10:01 AM [ET]
    A senior adviser to Barack Obama said Sunday that the Illinois Democrat does not agree with Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), who drew parallels between John McCain and former segregationist Alabama Gov. George Wallace.
    In the past week, stepped up rhetoric by Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and, to a lesser degree, from Sen. McCain (Ariz.) has overlapped with seemingly more aggressive crowds at their rallies.

    In response to reports that audience members shouted “traitor,” “terrorist” and “off with his head” when Obama’s association with Weather Underground member William Ayers was brought up by a member of the GOP ticket, Lewis said McCain and Palin “sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse.”

    Lewis, a civil rights leader, added: “George Wallace never threw a bomb. He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights.”

    Obama’s top strategist David Axelrod said on Fox News Sunday that the campaign does not agree with those comments. However, sparring with McCain campaign manager Rick Davis on the show, Axelrod said the McCain campaign is responsible for the degree of vitriol in the race.

    Axelrod said the ads McCain is running have directly led to recent instances of violent rhetoric used by McCain supporters at rallies.

    “All these commercials are designed to distort and inflame,” Axelrod said.

    Lewis on Saturday had issued a statement softening his earlier remarks.

    “A careful review of my earlier statement would reveal that I did not compare Sen. John McCain or Gov. Sarah Palin to George Wallace,” Lewis stated. “It was not my intention or desire to do so. My statement was a reminder to all Americans that toxic language can lead to destructive behavior.”

    Lewis also praised McCain for having “taken some steps to correct divisive speech at his rallies.”

    Davis said the Republican’s campaign has had to bring up Obama’s character and his relationship with Ayers in commercials because the media has given Obama a “free pass.”

    “Do we not think the relationship between Barack Obama and Bill Ayers bears some scrutiny?” Davis said.

    Host Chris Wallace noted that Obama said last week that McCain was unwilling to bring up the issue to his face, prompting Wallace to ask if McCain will bring up Ayers on Wednesday during the last debate of the campaign.

    Davis said he didn’t know, and it will depend largely on what the moderator asks.

    Axelrod said the McCain campaign is pushing the Ayers issue because the economy is such a bad issue for them, one that has caused McCain’s poll numbers to plummet.

    “The economy does hang from their necks like the anchor from the Lusitania,” Axelrod said.

    thehill.com/campaign-2008/axelrod-condemns-rep.-lewiss-comments-2008-10-12.html
    *****************************************************
    Axelrod pushing Lewis off the bus is doing it because his Wallace comment on McCain/Palin went too far. So he making it look like Obama is not behind this…but we know this is another Barack Obama production of character assassination.

    But Axelrod must be hearing that this is causing a backlash on Obama. The only way Team Obama and the Democratic? Taliban Party will get the message if that McCain/Palin win.

  136. wbboei said: But when I consider the prospect of an Obama presidency, I worry about giving him a veto proof majority in congress, and that concern weighs heavily against supporting any democrat for congress. If I thought this could help reform the party I would feel differently, but I do not.
    =====================

    Good point, thanks, that makes decisions easier. But shouldn’t our ballot incllude one or two token Hillary supporters, just to show the ballot isn’t coming from some Republican who has been asleep in Sleepy Hollow?

  137. BREAKING NEWS: Barack Obama Is NOT God!
    By John Lillpop Sunday, October 12, 2008

    Congressman John Lewis issued the following race-baiting tirade against the McCain-Palin ticket:

    “As one who was a victim of violence and hate during the height of the Civil Rights Movement, I am deeply disturbed by the negative tone of the McCain-Palin campaign. What I am seeing today reminds me too much of another destructive period in American history. Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse.”

    Do you remember, John Lewis, that George Wallace was a Democrat during most of his political career?

    Do you remember that Wallace was shot five times while campaigning for the presidency?

    Are you so blinded by your own racism that you are unable to see any contrary opinions as anything but bigotry?

    Would you prefer to simply skip the election and just install Barack Obama as president by popular consent?

    Is it your intent to ignite feelings of hatred against John McCain and Sarah Palin of such intensity that they will become open targets for a deranged assassin?

    It seems that it is folks like John Lewis who are speaking and acting irresponsibly.

    BARACK OBAMA is not God! His political views are not sacred or Holy!

    People can and do disagree with Obama and want to hold him fully accountable.

    That does NOT make anyone racist!

    canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5515

  138. wbboei Says:

    October 12th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    “A President Obama means there will never be a President Hillary Clinton,” he said. “For those waiting for another President Clinton … Ralph is an outlet for them.”
    ——————————————–
    The statement is right in the first instance and wrong in the second. If we want Hillary in 2012, we must never vote for bambi, and voting for Nader is like staying home– a half measure. The surefire answer is to vote for McCain.

    MCCAIN IN 2008=HILLARY IN 2012
    ===========================

    Definitely! But half a measure is better than nobama. I think we need to keep the third party candidates in discussion, as they may attract some semi-rational koolaiders.

    On another blog, someone criticized the ‘zen-like’ uncertaintin of saying ‘nobama but maybe nothing on top’. But for a near-bot, even making them stay home indecisive is better than them voting for Obama.

  139. wbboei Says: mp: you are right. I was told he saw a holy vision that told him to change his support from hillary to bambi.
    ====================

    John Lewis? At the time he said he was pressured, threatened with a primary challenger, etc. He said switching was th hardest thing he’d done since the bridge. This was in several legit news soruces iirc, Taylor Marsh also.

    Your post is the first I’ve heard of any ‘vision’. Maybe hemade up that story later.

  140. Putting together the sad John Lewis saga
    h t t p : / / edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/the-undoing-of-john-lewis/

  141. this is the first time in my life I’m being called a racist because of my vote. forget that I’ve spent most of my life fighting for all classifications that are less advantaged and have seen oppressed, discriminated against and passed by.

    Mr. Lewis you shame yourself and shame the cause you stood so valiantly for until now.

    You sir have become part of the problem.

  142. Shenanigans

    Great list- already used it:

    Email
    To editors at Newsweek:

    Subject- Want to know why we are mad as hell?

    This week’s Newsweek cover is YOUR latest contribution.

    I was sorry last month that I did not have a Newsweek subscription so I could request it be cancelled and my money returned – I only buy 3-4 copies a year, and trust me, this week I will pick a copy up, wait for several others to be at the checkout counter, take it to the counter and loudly announce that I will not be buying this magazine ever again, and why, [the Palin Cover] and leave it on the counter..

    This is a really small town; I was a strong and visable HRC supporter; my little tantrum will be talked about at the cafe by 11 am, and at the meal site by noon. Don’t know when it will hit the gossip trail or our three bars.

    And I will be sending a copy of this email to every site I visit, for the next 3 weeks.

    Congratulations,

    Emjay ———

  143. John Lewis? At the time he said he was pressured, threatened with a primary challenger, etc. He said switching was th hardest thing he’d done since the bridge. This was in several legit news soruces iirc, Taylor Marsh also.

    Your post is the first I’ve heard of any ‘vision’. Maybe hemade up that story later.
    ——————————————–
    I was at a puma meeting several weeks ago. I mentioned the Lewis situation and explained it as you have outlined above. One of the pumas told me this was the real reason. Ron was his first name. He blogs at The Confluence.

  144. A couple days ago Hillbuzz posted speculation that Federal prosecutors will be investigating Alexi Giannoulias and Chicago’s Broadway Bank as a result of Rezko spilling the beans on that families shady political connections. Here is an article from late August that talks about the Obama/Broadway Bank/Giannoulias/Rezko connection. It had information I haven’t heard before so I thought I’d post it.

    http://www.politicswest.com/29086/alexi_giannoulias_obamas_next_not_man_i_knew

    Is Alexi Giannoulias Obama’s next “not the man I knew”?
    By: Ross Kaminsky
    8/26/2008

    Last night, Illinois’ State Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias addressed the DNC, talking about his “friend and mentor”, Barack Obama, and calling for “a new type of leadership.” Giannoulias said that Obama has great integrity, yet the association between the two men raises questions along the lines of (and related to) convicted felon Tony Rezko.

    Obama and Giannoulias have been mutual supporters, politically and otherwise, for at least five years, with Giannoulias having contributed $7,000 to Obama’s campaign for the Illinois State Senate seat in 2003 and 2004, an interesting choice for a man who was simultaneously giving $17,000 to the National Republican Congressional Committee.

    Giannoulias, who was called Obama’s “protégé” in a Chicago-based publication, has also served as the National Chairman of Greeks for Obama Committee. The organization’s Vice Chairman, Michael Karloutsos, also has a history of supporting Republicans, including a donation to Rick Santorum and Bush-Cheney ’04. He was also a Pioneer for President George W. Bush, meaning he raised at least $200,000 for the Bush-Cheney ’04 ticket. In the past year, he switched his party affiliation “from R to D”.

    Giannoulias also hosted a fund-raiser for Obama in Chicago in September, 2007, omitting it from his public schedule and keeping it closed to the press. Could it be that Obama didn’t want the press asking questions about a New York Post article published that same morning entitled “Obama’s Mob-Tie $idekick”?

    The NY Post story references the many questions about Giannoulias’ ties to organized crime through Broadway Bank, a Chicago bank that his family owns and where Alexi Giannoulias listed himself both as President and as Chairman of the Board on FEC filings surrounding the campaign contributions mentioned above.

    According to a Chicago Tribune article from 2006, Giannoulias “has faced questions about the bank’s multi-million dollar loans to Michael Gioranago, a convicted bookmaker and prostitution ring promoter.” Barack Obama was quoted in the article as saying that he “is concerned by revelations that the bank owned by Illinois Democratic treasurer nominee Alexi Giannoulias’ family gave loans to a Chicago crime figure and said the candidate owes him and the public a full accounting.”

    And while Giannoulias claimed that the loans to Gioranago were made “before he became a full-time bank employee”, “newly discovered public records show Broadway Bank made $11.8 million in additional mortgage loans to Giorango just last year. Giannoulias said he oversaw the servicing of those loans.”

    Giannoulias also appears to have lied about the bank’s financing of a casino boat marina. And in what may or may not be an ugly coincidence, convicted felon Tony Rezko racked up $450,000 in gambling debts by writing bad checks on his Broadway Bank account. According to Crain’s Chicago Business, “Obama kept his 2004 Senate campaign funds” at Broadway Bank as well.

    Giannoulias himself has accepted at least one controversial campaign contribution, from Spiros Naos, an owner of a line of gambling cruise ships, who got ownership of the company after his uncle “was gunned down in an execution-style slaying after selling the gambling fleet to a group that included indicted Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff”, according to the Chicago Daily Herald. After initially defending the contribution as one Greek helping another, Giannoulias eventually returned the money once the media began dogging him about it.

    We know what Giannoulias has done for Obama. What about the other way around? Why would a man with banking ties to organized crime (and a man who had generally not contributed to Democrats) become such a big supporter of Barack Obama?

    Much in the same way that Obama was groomed for his elections by people in power in Chicago, and much in the same way that Obama supported the corrupt Stroger family even when he could have supported a reform-minded (liberal Democrat) opponent to the Strogers, the Obama-Giannoulias relationship seems one of political payback.

    Obama endorsed Giannoulias for State Treasurer when the latter was just 29 years old, but the NY Post reported that “Giannoulias is so tainted by reputed mob links that several top Illinois Dems, including the state’s speaker of the House and party chairman, refused to endorse him even after he won the Democratic nomination with Obama’s help.” Obama remained a big supporter and is credited with having been an important factor in Giannoulias’s victory.

    But, as Crain’s asked, “[J]ust why did Sen. Obama last week endorse for Illinois treasurer an unknown 29-year-old whose financial experience is limited to working at a family-owned Chicago bank, and who, as recently as five years ago, was shooting professional hoops as point guard with team Panionios of Athens, Greece?”

    Media reports say that Obama was grateful for Giannoulias’s early support of Obama, including the six-figure fund-raising for Obama’s first campaign. But what about be the mutual connection to Tony Rezko, and could there be other connections we don’t yet know about?

    Giannoulias has clearly believed he had something to gain. As someone who lived in Chicago for 15 years, I know that politics general and Chicago politics in particular is about who can help people make money or gain power. One way in which Obama could return the favor of political support to Giannoulias would be to support the possibility that Giannoulias could be selected to fill Obama’s US Senate seat if Obama wins the presidency.

    The close association of Obama with a man who seems clearly to be involved in some shady deals with convicted criminals is yet another example of questionable judgment at best and typical dirty Chicago politics at worst. I wonder if Giannoulias will turn out to be the next in Obama’s never-ending series of “He’s not the man I knew”.

  145. wbboei, I just went to Texasdarlin site, there is some interesting stuff there about the berg lawsuit, apparently Berg is not willing to discuss this Kenyan BC anymore and was adament that he is not collaborating with Ed Hale. So, then I went to Ed Hale site and its blank, looks like its been taken DOWN. WTF is up, do you know???

  146. A couple days ago Hillbuzz posted speculation that federal prosecutors were soon going to be investigating Alexi Giannoulias and his political dealings related to Rezko and Obama via his families politically active Broadway Bank.
    I found this article from late August which has a lot of interesting information on Obama’s connection to Giannoulias and this bank. IIt’s really interesting in light of the information posted at Hillbuzz. thought I’d pass it along..

    “Is Alexi Giannoulis Obama’s Next “not the man I knew?”

    http://www.politicswest.com/29086/alexi_giannoulias_obamas_next_not_man_i_knew

  147. Wbboei, just past the TV and saw Hillary and Bill stumping for Obama, they did not look happy as they did during her campaign. I have to say Hillary looked like shit warmed over. She also looked like she could cry any minute. Bill looked he just finished eating some spoiled mexican food. Something is definitely not right in Obamaland!!!

  148. Hillary looks like she’s aged, she looked a lot older today than i’ve seen her in a while. I think she’s had enough.

  149. A few days ago Hillbuzz posted speculation that federal prosecutors were planning to investigate Alexi Giannoulias and his families bank based on information given to them by Rezko. I found this article from late August that has some interesting information on the Giannoulias/Obama/Rezko and Broadway bank connections. I thought I’d pass it along as I hadn’t heard much about this before and this article has even more detail than presented in the Hillbuzz alert.

    tiny.cc/E9rv5

  150. Nope, i think she’s there forcibly, i don’t think she wants to be there and i’m pretty sure they have threatened to ruin her if she does’nt. Something stinks to high hell in all this.

  151. Okay enough! No more doom and gloom…lol… We know the polls are fabricated. We know the media is in the tank for the dnc’s fake idol.

    So I’m just going to think positive and watch for McCain to come out victorious!

  152. Moon, I totally agree with you, neither one of them looked happy to be there, I hope someone youtubed it. It very telling. I dont know what happened to Ed Hale site, I know he has personally been threatened, so who knows where this is going??

  153. Confloyd: as an attorney, Berg is an officer of the court. It is unlikkely that the court wants the case politicized any more than it already has. It makes the judge uncomfortable, and his superiors do not like it either. That is probably what it is.

    The judge may also be concerned about the competition he is getting from ed hale, who has already decided the case in favor of berg both on the discovery motion and the order to produce the birth certificate–only to be proven wrong.

    As far as the birth certificate is concerned the elites of the party have gotten themselves into a very sticky wicket. I am increasingly sure that bambi cannot produce a valid birth certificate proving he is eligible. The headless cockroach tried to rectify the situation through legislation and failed. If this true then we are facing a crisis of confidence and leadership in our democracy. That may be why the press is desperate as well.

    I am sorry to hear that Hillary does not look well. I remember what she went through back in 1994, when the health care program she tried to pass to help the American People was defeated, her father died and Vince Foster committed suicide.

    For once in her life she needs to think of her own health and well being first and the party second. She is the only one worth saving that is worth saving.

  154. on a lighter note..

    was out driving to my local supermarket, stopped at a red light waiting for two pedestrians to walk across the street before i made my right turn. mr. and mrs. silver-haired latte-sipping pukes with “McSame” posters and yard signs tucked under their arms, laughing their smug little faces off as they passed.

    wanted to run them over..just for fun. 😉

  155. Wbboei, They both looked like they had a stomach virus, and we all know that drinking the kool-aid will do it everytime especially when you know the kool-aid has a virus in it!!

  156. Don’t tell me – ANOTHER radical in Obama’s background?

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/dont_tell_me_another_radical_i.html

    Recognize a name here among the beneficiaries of taxpayer dollars?

    As Chicago (and Illinois, for that matter) reels from a fiscal crisis resulting in a cutback of services and layoffs of thousands, Mayor Daley spends many millions on public relations and image building.

    One of the beneficiaries is Marilyn Katz. Where have I heard that name before? She is a bundler for Barack Obama, a person with a radical past (head of security for the Students for a Democratic Society-SDS-fromm which Bill Ayers’ militant Weathermen group splintered).

    She was also the prinicpal organizer of the now famous 2002 antiwar rally in which Barack Obama spoke against the Iraq War. And she serves on his finance committee as well as hosting fundraisers for him and donating thousands of dollars to the cause.

    She traveled to the Democratic convention, serving as a member of the credentials committee. She has links to Bill Ayers . She makes herself readily available to provide spin to downplay the Ayers-Obama relationship (see today’s superb Chicago Tribune article by the intrepid columnist John Kass):

    One friend of Obama and Ayers is former ’60s radical Marilyn Katz, now an Obama fundraiser, strategist and public relations maven. She’s often a go-to quote for reporters to knock down the Ayers-Obama story.

    “What Bill Ayers and [former Black Panther, now U.S. Rep.] Bobby Rush . . . did 40 years ago has nothing to do with [the presidential campaign],” Katz was quoted as saying in the Chicago Sun-Times in April. “[Ayers] has a national reputation. He lectures at Harvard [University] and Vassar [College].”

    What that story and many other pro-Obama articles gloss over is that during the violent protests of the 1968 Democratic National Convention here, Katz was the security chief for the radical Students for a Democratic Society. She once advocated throwing studded nails in front of police cars, back in the SDS days when the group was alleged to have thrown cellophane bags full of human excrement at cops and cans of urine and golf balls impaled with nails.

  157. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1076957/MELANIE-PHILIPS-Everyone-destroy-Palin–Obamas-past-examine.html

    Everyone is out to destroy Palin – but it’s Obama’s past we should examine

    With all eyes glued to the collapse of global capitalism as we know it, attention has been somewhat distracted from the race to lead what still remains the most powerful nation on earth – the United States. We ignore it at our peril.

    From the shockingly partisan presentation by the pro-Obama media on both sides of the Atlantic, you’d think this was a contest between twin pillars of rectitude and inspirational high seriousness on the Democratic side, and a joke Republican ticket consisting of an erratic old man and a brainless, wacko, gun-toting beauty queen, who in a fit of madness John McCain picked as his vice-presidential candidate.

    Unfortunately for the Democrats, the beauty queen in question, Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska, has struck an enormous chord with Middle America. As a result, Barack Obama’s media supporters are making a huge effort to destroy her.

  158. with all these bots running around, some obvious, some incognito as confloyd pointed out, do you guys ever feel you’re on the outside looking in? like some strange Stephen King novel where invaders from another time and place have taken over? very disturbing.

  159. A further thought on this. The current situation is unstable in many respects, and a democracy is most vulnerable at election time. If it is shown that one of the two major parties perpetrated a fraud on the American People by promoting a candidate who was ineligible for office, then how do you get off that limb? And what will it do to your credibility as a party in the eyes of the public? And what does a loss of credibility to the system mean at a time like this, when the financial market has collapsed. One of the things I always said about companies is any one of them is only three mistakes away from bankruptcy. If what I am saying here is anything more than the ravings of a lunatic then there is cause for concern. It would explain alot of things including the effort to tune down the Bronx cheers.

  160. Alcina, its like a modern day, invasion of the body snatchers, i keep half expecting someone to turn around point and howl but instead, they go on tv, point and scream racist. Its the 2008 remake i guess.

  161. Alcina, all the freaking time!!! I thought I was safe speaking with a texas doctor, who’d thought that he was a bot! He lead me to believe he was a republican until last night when he started singing the praises of Obama. He said Obama had the answer to the healthcare problems, Oh yeah he does, not without a freaking mandate, and he never came up with it anyway, he stole it from Hillary! He is the problem with heathcare, he orders wrong tests and orders to often!! He need only to look in the mirror to see how he has contributed to the healthcare fiasco. I work at a minor emergency center ran by a huge charity hospital that caters to the rich. You should see the place and the equipment. It is sickening!

  162. # wbboei Says:
    October 12th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    A further thought on this. The current situation is unstable in many respects, and a democracy is most vulnerable at election time. If it is shown that one of the two major parties perpetrated a fraud on the American People by promoting a candidate who was ineligible for office, then how do you get off that limb? And what will it do to your credibility as a party in the eyes of the public? ……..
    ————————

    So what are the chances that the party will cover up the truth? I say 100%.

  163. con and moon,

    hopefully we’ll find ourselves in the majority november 4th. then all the body snatchers, bots and freaks can scurry back under the rocks from which they came.

  164. on a lighter note..

    was out driving to my local supermarket, stopped at a red light waiting for two pedestrians to walk across the street before i made my right turn. mr. and mrs. silver-haired latte-sipping pukes with “McSame” posters and yard signs tucked under their arms, laughing their smug little faces off as they passed.

    wanted to run them over..just for fun.
    ——————————————–
    If you decide to take matters into your own hands then I will be happy to provide an airtight alibi and a pro bono defense.

  165. wbboei, moon, alcina, I wonder what could have caused McCain to say at his townhall ” you don’t have to be scared of an Obama presidency”?? Have they now gotten to him?? Has he been told to calm it down?? Why would he say that while he is running ads to comfirm our fears about Obama?? He been had, just my opinion and No wbboei he will not go hard on Bambi for the next debate for that same reason.
    The powers that be already control the situation and the threats I believe have been flying is this: Either campaign for him and get him elected or we will crash the economy and the USA will fall!! That would bring Hill and Bill in to control real fast as well as McCain!! Think about it! Cavuto said friday that the next 48 hours will tell us whether our economy will collapse or survive, so my guess it that tomorrow the market will be at a steady loss all day. They leave Fox to make the case against Obama as well as Sarah just to fool the masses into this idea that Obama is getting vetted!

  166. So what are the chances that the party will cover up the truth? I say 100%.
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    Higher than that.

  167. Wbboei, just went to Ed Hale’s site the backway and he left a huge message that said,” I HAVE SHUT THIS WEBSITE DOWN FOR SECURITY PURPOSES”!! WTF, I think I am right, these bastards are threatening people bigtime!! This birth certificate thing is pushing Obama to get to threatening people in the open now!! We will wait to see what happens to Phil Berg. I think he has his own site!

  168. Confloyd: we now have a deeply divided country thanks to Obama.

    If we are heading into tough times, the powers that be do not want a revolution.

    In a revolution, they will lose what they have, and so will the rest of us.

    If McCain wins, he will need to unite the country. The bots may go on a rampage.

    But to use obamas own words against obama there is no way we can put lipstick on that pig.

  169. todd palin was in NH yesterday hanging out at a snowmobile grass-drag race event (yes, they really race on grass). he was very well received by the local snow machine aficionados. wednesday will be sarah’s turn. she will attend rally’s in dover, manchester and concord. hope she gets a big turn-out.

  170. Confloyd: dont get too worried about that one. I am reasonably certain what I said to you above about it is the explanation.

  171. OT: Fun 1807 quote by Thomas Jefferson:

    “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”

  172. Wbboei, just went to Ed Hale’s site the backway and he left a huge message that said,” I HAVE SHUT THIS WEBSITE DOWN FOR SECURITY PURPOSES”!! WTF, I think I am right, these bastards are threatening people bigtime!! This birth certificate thing is pushing Obama to get to threatening people in the open now!! We will wait to see what happens to Phil Berg. I think he has his own site!
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    Confloyd: ed is jus being cagey. Berg probably told him the judge is pissed off and please close the site–it will not help the case. At that point Ed-being Ed decides to make a big thing of it and says closed down for security purposes. There is no end to the strum and drang.

  173. wbboei,

    Could you explain this? I didn’t really understand that bill about citizenship.

    “The headless cockroach tried to rectify the situation through legislation and failed.”

    confloyd,
    Hale shut down for security reasons? WTF???

  174. Wbboei, I was on Ed’s site many times and he said his life had been threatened by bots, but he had resolve and would not stop looking into Bambi, so why now, especially after Texas Darlin put that info on her blog that stated Berg said he was not affiliated with Ed Hale?? I hope he OK. Ed if your out there PLEASE BE CAREFULL!

  175. some tidbits:
    30,000 felons illegally registered to vote in Florida. (Dems have a 2 to 1 margin)

    In SC vandals broke into a repub office and spray-painted “Republican means slavery.”

    And BM is worried about Saah? 😡

    (from drudge)

  176. on a positive note,
    gas in my area has dropped more than $1 over the past month from a highof $4.27 down to $3.20.

  177. shouldn’t it be strum and dang?
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    I love Ed Hale, but in his case I would have to say yes.

  178. some tidbits:
    30,000 felons illegally registered to vote in Florida. (Dems have a 2 to 1 margin)

    In SC vandals broke into a repub office and spray-painted “Republican means slavery.”
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    hope. change. revolution.

    nice work bambi. you started this in the primary. You and clyburn.

  179. For some pics on bot violence check here;

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/12/the-obama-campaign-role-models-patterned-violence/#more-5393

    also,
    just read HRC has done 50 campaign headliners for BO since suspending her campaign and today she and BC were in Scranton, PA.

    I am speechless……

  180. wanted to run them over..just for fun.

    Totally unrelated to your post, but my property backs into thousands of acres of Nat’l Forest. Tons of bears. Coyotes too.

    Nature is beautiful and useful. 😉

  181. BO’s response to JM’s comments about John lewis’s outrageous remarks comparing him to Wallace.
    (nq)
    Get your barf bag ready.
    “Sen. Obama does not believe that John McCain or his policy criticism is in any way comparable to George Wallace or his segregationist policies,” said the campaign statement.

    But John Lewis was right to condemn some of the hateful rhetoric that John McCain himself personally rebuked just last night, as well as the baseless and profoundly irresponsible charges from his own running mate that the Democratic nominee for president of the United States ‘pals around with terrorists.’

    As Barack Obama has said himself, the last thing we need from either party is the kind of angry, divisive rhetoric that tears us apart at a time of crisis when we desperately need to come together. That is the kind of campaign Sen. Obama will continue to run in the weeks ahead.

  182. Of course the media will not report on the massive violence by Obama’s robots. Said violence being 100 times more disgusting than anything McCain’s supporters have ever said or done.

  183. 😳

    And here’s JM’s remarks about Lewis. (NQ)

    McCain shot back his longstanding admiration of civil rights pioneer Lewis but said it was ridiculous to equate legitimate criticism of Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and his policies with Wallace and constituted “a brazen and baseless attack on my character and the thousands of hardworking Americans who come to our events.”

    John McCain also called upon Obama to personally repudiate these remarks.

  184. EVERYONE – LOG ONTO “Stop the Obama Constitutional Crisis” and sign petition – almost 4,000 signatures so far. Doubled today alone.

    Read on Citizen Wells that Larry SInclair website hacked (again). Ed Hale is supposed to have ONE OF THREE VALID KENYAN BC, or know about the Kenyan birth certificates, so that’s why I believe he is in hiding and closed down website for security purposes.

    Make no mistake. We are in a Police State. Half of those after us are the Dims and the other half are corrupt legal authorities acting in concert with the Dims. Didn’t know we lived in such a large third world country, until 2008. The year from HELL. And only getting worse…..

    GO SIGN PETITION – SEND TO ALL YOU KNOW – AND WATCH YOUTUBE ON BERG’S OCTOBER SURPRISE – THE MORE HITS THE BETTER – SEND TO ALL YOU KNOW. READ CITIZEN WELLS FOR GOOD UPDATES.

  185. I heard the tv from the kitchen a bit ago. The commentator said he asked Hillary if she was over the hurt of losing the election. He said she said [mouthed some coherent words] but he could tell from her eyes that she had not gotten over the hurt of losing the election.

    As Moses said, “Let my people go!” I say to the nObama regime, “Let my people go!” I am sure that Hill and Bill are being imprisoned now. After after McCain’s remark, you know which one, I wonder if they have gotten to him, too.

  186. the pics at NQ. absolute filth

    welcome to BHO’s new world order. he will transcend traditional politics. no red states, no blue states, just one big fucking police state.

  187. Here is what is going on.

    1. big media is playing the race card to incite the parties and tilt the election.

    2. big media is playing the race card to give itself an excuse if obama loses.

    3. big media is playing the race card to distract attention from the negative information which they have been hiding which is now coming out.

    4. mccain is trying to de-fuse the issue.

    It seems pretty obvious to me. Nobody has gotten to him.

  188. I heard the tv from the kitchen a bit ago. The commentator said he asked Hillary if she was over the hurt of losing the election. He said she said [mouthed some coherent words] but he could tell from her eyes that she had not gotten over the hurt of losing the election.
    ——————————————–
    I would need to know alot more about this commentator before I gave this any credence. He sounds like someone who had an agenda to say she had not gotten over the election, and made a quantum leap to conclude she had not.

    By the way commentator the operative word is not lose but stolen.

  189. OMG!!!!!!!

    Someone on NQ just pointed out that John Lewis was one of the 3 people JM named as those he most respected!!!!!!

    What a f**king slap in the face!!!!!

    I’m sure it’s no friggin coincidence that LEWIS said that sh1t about wallace!!!!!!

    just like when BO hired patti solis doyle to be head of the VP office!!!!!!!

    they are evil incarnate, malicious, spiteful devils, all of them!!!!!!t

  190. I firmly believe that Obama and his campaign have told their soldiers to go out and do their dirty work for them…no matter how vile…no matter how many lies…or who they hurt…

  191. wbboei,

    BINGO!!!!

    That’s what i was thinking today.

    “2. big media is playing the race card to give itself an excuse if obama loses.”

    but what do you mean, nobody has gotten to him. to who?

    Also, can you explain about that law changing citizenship requirements for POTUS?

  192. basil: there was a suggestion that mccain had swallowed the koolaide because he told the crowd to calm down. If he had not done that big media was poised to crucify him.

  193. sue at NQ posted this link.
    More BO campaign haters and BM doesn’t say a word about it.

    michellemalkin.com/2008/10/12/crush-the-obamedia-narrative-look-whos-gripped-by-insane-rage/

  194. basil: I saw it on yesterdays blog I though. I went back and spent 15 minutes trying to find it and could not. Pretty sure it was then–but I did see it here. If anyone here remembers seeing it and knows where it is can you let basil know. It has to do with mccains eligibility and goes on to talk about how cockroach mcaskell tried to pass remedial legislation for obama to make him eligible as well.

    Big Media types do try to incite violence from time to time. I saw it first hand in the battle of seattle, so this is not fanciful/

  195. wbboei,

    oh yeah! I posted that!!!! 😳

    While i understood the overall gist of the article i didn’t understand the pspecific circumstances it was designed to address.

    never mind. tomorrow i’ll google the law and see if i can figure it out.

  196. I pray that McCain and Palin stand strong against this blasphemous garbage.
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    they will

  197. wbboei,

    oh yeah! I posted that!!!!
    ——————————————–
    thank you basil for the first piece of humor I have encountered all day.

  198. from CBS news.

    (barf bag alert)

    “I know there are some people who won’t vote for me because I’m black, and that’s ok,” said Democratic candidate Barack Obama.

  199. GET THE WORD OUT

    HELLO EVERYONE: IMPORTANT INFORMATION!!

    SEAN HANNITY, OF HANNITY & COLMES ~ FOX NEWS, IS GOING TO AIR A VERY IMPORTANT DOCUMENTARY ABOUT BARACK OBAMA, SUNDAY NIGHT AT 9:00 PM. (8:00 PM Central). HE STATED ON THE AIR THAT NO ONE IN THE NEWS MEDIA WAS WILLING TO DO THIS.

    HANNITY IS GOING BACK TO OBAMA’S EARLIER DAYS, SHOWING EVEN THEN HIS TIES TO RADICAL PROFESSORS, FRIENDS, SPIRITUAL ADVISERS, Etc., HE STATED THAT HE WILL SHOW IN DETAIL HIS TIES TO REV. WRIGHT FOR 20+ YRS (which we all know) HOW HE WAS PARTICIPATING WITH THIS MAN, AND NOT FOR THE REASONS HE STATES!

    HE HAS UNCOVERED MORE OF OBAMA’S RADICAL LEADERS AND WE WILL SEE THINGS THAT NO ONE IN THE MEDIA IS WILLING TO PUT OUT THERE.

    THIS WILL BE A NIGHT THAT YOU WILL KNOW MORE ABOUT OBAMA THAN EVER BEFORE. HANNITY IS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND ASKED THAT EVERYONE PLEASE, PLEASE WATCH~~ SUNDAY NIGHT, 9 PM. (8 PM CENTRAL)

    HANNITY IS DETERMINED THIS INFORMATION BE PUT OUT THERE BECAUSE AS AMERICAN’S, WE STILL DO NOT KNOW ABOUT OBAMA!! WAKE UP AMERICA !! THIS IS SERIOUS,EVERYONE. I KNOW MOST OF YOU WATCH FOX NEWS, AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE VOTING FOR, BUT IF YOU CAN, PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW. THIS IS CRITICAL FOR OUR COUNTRY. MY PRAYER IS THAT WE, ALONG WITH SEAN HANNITY, WILL REACH SOMEONE/ANYONE BEFORE NOV. 4th.

    Found on the Fox News website:

    http://www.foxnews.com/hannitysamerica/index.html
    Obama & Friends: History of Radicalism
    ‘Hannity’s America’ investigates Barack Obama’s ties to controversial people and radical groups including exclusive information revealed for the first time

    Watch:
    • The College Years
    • Community Organizer Years
    • ACORN Association

  200. i’m glad BHO realizes some won’t vote for him because he is black. i just hope he realizes the majority of people won’t vote for him because he is sexist, racist, a thug and a phony.

  201. washngtontimes on odinga today.
    Comment by abc1 23 | 2008-10-12 18:12:51

    http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/oct/12/obamas-kenya-ghosts/print/

    THE WASHINGTON POST
    Sunday, October 12, 2008

    Obama’s Kenya ghosts
    Mark Hyman
    About 50 parishioners were locked into the Assemblies of God church before it was set ablaze. They were mostly women and children. Those who tried to flee were hacked to death by machete-wielding members of a mob numbering 2,000.
    The 2008 New Year Day atrocity in the Kenyan village Eldoret, about 185 miles northwest of Nairobi, had all the markings of the Rwanda genocide of a decade earlier.
    By mid-February 2008, more than 1,500 Kenyans were killed. Many were slain by machete-armed attackers. More than 500,000 were displaced by the religious strife. Villages lay in ruin. Many of the atrocities were perpetrated by Muslims against Christians.
    The violence was led by supporters of Raila Odinga,

  202. How about a corollary that goes like this:

    I realize there are some of you who will vote for me because I have no job related experiece, have toxic associations and do not deliver what I promise–even though I am black–and that is okay too.

    I realize there are some of you who will not vote for me because I am a fraud and that ok too.

    The guy is obsessed with the race card. This is the last thing we need in a president. We need one of whatever color who is color blind and competent.

  203. THE WASHINGTON POST
    Sunday, October 12, 2008

    Obama’s Kenya ghosts
    Mark Hyman
    About 50 parishioners were locked into the Assemblies of God church before it was set ablaze. They were mostly women and children. Those who tried to flee were hacked to death by machete-wielding members of a mob numbering 2,000.
    The 2008 New Year Day atrocity in the Kenyan village Eldoret, about 185 miles northwest of Nairobi, had all the markings of the Rwanda genocide of a decade earlier.
    By mid-February 2008, more than 1,500 Kenyans were killed. Many were slain by machete-armed attackers. More than 500,000 were displaced by the religious strife. Villages lay in ruin. Many of the atrocities were perpetrated by Muslims against Christians.
    The violence was led by supporters of Raila Odinga,
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    Did not Obama make a huge political contribution to this guy and campaign for him. Just a guy that happened to live in my neighborhood.

  204. ACORN Voter Fraud Investigation Ramps Up

    macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/10/12/acorn-voter-fraud-investigation-ramps-up/

    Exploding, and the MSM is silent. While they huff and puff about Palin dropping a puck, the ACORN Scandal is exploding, and there are implications that the Obama campaign may be involved. Via this opinion column in the North Country Gazette:

    “There are already investigations underway in nine states regarding the allegations of fraud in the new-voter registrations collected by ACORN, Obama’s preferred bunch of “community organizers”—-the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now. This is how Obama is going to “change” and reform Washington, by buying the election with stuffed ballot boxes?

    It’s been reported that in Nevada, state investigators raided ACORN’s Las Vegas headquarters, seizing documents and computer data. The group says it has conducted the most successful voter registration drive in history, signing up 1.3 million voters in 21 states, enough to sway an election.

    The people who are supposed to be uncovering voter fraud are instead allegedly perpetuating it. Case in point—-in Ohio, a federal judge has ruled that Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, a Democrat, is violating the law by refusing to allow county election boards to verify the identities of ACORN’s newly registered voters.

    The New York Post has reported that one 19-year-old in Cuyahoga County admitted that under the auspices of ACORN, he’d registered to vote 72 times and was paid to do so with cash and cigarettes, a felony.

    How come Obama isn’t commenting publicly about this attempt by ACORN to stuff the ballot boxes. Let’s not forget that the ACORN’s political action committee has endorsed Obama. ACORN has reportedly filed over three million new voter registrations since 2004—-and that could certainly tilt an election.

    If you’re worried that Palin complied with her statutory and constitutional authority and acted legally, consider this:

  205. Those photographs of those twats protesting really look like they all need a smack.

    I don’t care how warped you are, stuff like that needs ramming down their throats, this is your future generations folks, makes you wonder why we bother fighting wars so these bastards can be free to say that.

  206. agreed, moonpluto.

    ya know, now that i understand community organizer is synonymous with ‘agitator’ some of BO’s more radical remarks are brought into context.

    SInce he organized ‘agitaors’ to protest and bully banks and use non-physical intimidation techniques i get where comments like “get in their faces,’ and ‘if they bring a knife, we’ll bring a gun,’ come from.

    community organizer = agitator = thug.

  207. wbboei,

    i am dense today. i still don’t get it.
    ___________________________________
    Basil: Big Media and Obama surrogates are trying to impute racism to mccain much like they did in the primaries to Hillary and Bill. This is their way to destroy opponents. If you are interested, go back and read the wilentz article Race Man and you will see the parallel. McCain needs to step wide of this cow paddy.

    DEFEND FREEDOM–DEFEAT OBAMA (AND BIG MEDIA)

  208. wbboei,

    i posted a number of odinga links yesterday.

    for good info go to texasdarlin.wordpress.com.
    she has the video of BO campaigning with odinga.
    FWIW, Bo was in touch with his cousin through the new hampshire primary – i believe that’s when some of the worst violence was occurring.
    BTW, i read somewhere today that another one of BO’s ‘cousins’ was involved with that pirate ship episode the other day . . the one that both the US and Russia were keeping tabs on and the ship was headed – guess where – Kenya! The ship was filled with guns, grenades, ammunition. . . i’ll see if i can find the link.

  209. Seriously, i’m getting to the point where if they say, we’ll bring a gun, I say, it better be a big gun because if it doesnt take me down first time, I’m going to pull out a machete and hack you to pieces very very slowly and painfully.

    It works if you use the right tone of voice, ala Hannibal lecter.

  210. 😳
    Meant to say another BO relative murdered.

    africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/kenya-senator-obamas-relative-murdered-is-it-a-message-for-things-to-come-politically-remembering-kennedy/

    Here’s the story about the pirated ship heading to Kenya.

    The hijacked ship was headed for KENYA. Scary !!!

    The gun-toting, seafaring thieves, who routinely pounce on cargo ships bobbing along on the Indian Ocean, suddenly found themselves in command of a vessel crammed with $30 million worth of grenade launchers, piles of ammunition, even battle tanks.

    But this time, they might have gotten far more than they bargained for. Unlike so many other hijackings off the coast of Somalia that have gone virtually unnoticed – and unpunished – the attack Thursday evening on the Faina, a Ukrainian vessel bringing military equipment to Kenya, has provoked the wrath of two of the most powerful militaries on the planet.

    The United States Navy was in hot pursuit of the ship Friday. And the Russians were not far behind.

    But according to diplomats and the Russian Interfax news agency, the cargo was 33 T-72 refurbished tanks, “quite a significant amount of ammunition” and grenade launchers.

    It’s what’s going on in Kenya that we should be watching.
    http://www.heraldextra.com/component/option,com_fireboard/Itemid,3/func,view/catid,2/id,396381/

  211. Basil, do we care if another Obama gets done in, Obama probably doesnt even know who he is.

    If this rumour of Obama playing around and Michelle, i’d be weary of his joining him, i think she wouldnt be the forgiving type.

  212. This is good from the NE Ohio newspapers, i like that this info is getting out in Ohio

    http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7231

    Obama Campaign Involved in More Cover-Ups in ACORN Scandal

    On Thursday we revealed the connection between Barack Obama and Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), and uncovered a 2004 article that discussed his involvement with the organization which had recently been removed from the web. Today, the cover-ups continue and language on Obama’s fightthesmears.com website has been altered in order to make it look like he has been telling the truth about his ACORN associations all along.

    Fortunately, we and many others online know how to do a screen capture and how to use a little something called Google Cache.

    As of yesterday, Fightthesmears.com stated:

    Fact: Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.

    Sometime on Friday, the website was altered, and the text was changed to state:

    Fact: ACORN never hired Obama as a trainer, organizer, or any type of employee.

    The mere fact that his campaign has now changed the language of the site shows that they have conceded the fact that their original remark was a bold-face lie. As a lawyer Sen. Obama should know the importance of language.

    The original statement implied that he had no working connection with ACORN, whereas the new statement now insists that he has never been employed or hired by ACORN.

    It is good to see the truth finally come out now, but why were they trying to hide his association with ACORN, and what else is Obama lying to us about? Perhaps the biggest question now is how and why they got the Social Policy article stricken from most of the world wide web in the first.place. What are they trying to hide?

  213. basil9 Says:
    October 12th, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    agreed, moonpluto.

    ya know, now that i understand community organizer is synonymous with ‘agitator’ some of BO’s more radical remarks are brought into context.

    SInce he organized ‘agitaors’ to protest and bully banks and use non-physical intimidation techniques i get where comments like “get in their faces,’ and ‘if they bring a knife, we’ll bring a gun,’ come from.

    community organizer = agitator = thug.
    ==============

    That may sound a little extreme, but Lizza chose “The Agitator” as title of a very positive profile about Obama he did for The New Republic.

  214. I HAVE to believe there is a silent majority watching all this and taking notes. Egregious things that have gone on and still going on in this election can’t miss the mature voters. Some depend on info and some others depend on instinct.

  215. basil9 Says:

    October 12th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
    For some pics on bot violence check here;

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/12/the-obama-campaign-role-models-patterned-violence/#more-5393

    also,
    just read HRC has done 50 campaign headliners for BO since suspending her campaign and today she and BC were in Scranton, PA.

    I am speechless……
    ****************************

    We were having a discussion on bitterpolitiz on this. It seems about 60% there give Hillary the benefit of the doubt. I am one of the 40% because her support of the Fraud has given permission for million’s to vote for him. I don’t think he would have won if she had come out and said I support the Democratic party and then went on to campaign for the down ticket. People say she would be vilified in the party, but they already said they didn’t need us, her supporters. This man is EVIL. It broke my heart to see her campaigning for him. Like an abused woman..

  216. So sad to see such fine young men get caught in throwing molotov cocktails at a house with a republican sign in Portland.

    Just a couple of young white bots making their bones for the one. Hope, change, revolution.

    There are fine places we can send them to they get proper help. After twenty yeasr or so they will be productive members of society.

    According to the Bureau of Prisons there is a fine bed and breakfast just waiting for them in Danamora New York.

    It is a gothic facility with gray stone walls tastefully appointed with guard tower and they say the walls freeze in winter sweat in summer.

    If they were thrown in with the general population at their age I am sure they would get all the attention they deserve.

    .

  217. Obama Born In Kenya? His Grandmother Says Yes

    http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=3324

    Someone is lying. According to Obama’s Kenyan (paternal) grandmother, as well as his half-brother and half-sister, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii as the Democratic candidate for president claims. His grandmother bragged that her grandson is about to be President of the United States and is so proud because she was present DURING HIS BIRTH IN KENYA, in the delivery room. -This, according to several news sites and Pennsylvania attorney Philip J. Berg (see video below) who is, surprisingly, a life long democrat himself. Berg is the former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania, and he has an impressive background in his activities as a democrat, but his support for the party seemingly stops when it comes to his trust in Barack Hussein Obama.

    Many U.S. voters are suspicious of the Democratic candidate’s past, and Berg filed a lawsuit to force Barack Hussein Obama to produce a certified copy of his original birth certificate to prove that he can run for the office of President of the United States. However, he is being fought. The DNC On Sept. 24 filed a motion to dismiss the Berg action. Why? What is there to hide? Why not produce the original birth certificate and be done with all the suspicions against Barack Hussein Obama?

    A few months back, a birth certificate WAS posted on the internet which shows that Obama was born in Hawaii. Yet some say this birth certificate is a forgery and again, his grandmother st

  218. So, if you are OK with registering the same voter 27 times, what is a little thing like a birth certificate.

    There is a reason you don’t hear or see much of his grandparents.

  219. Case un Point, HRC campaigned and travel with her Mother. McCain’s mother was there at his party nomination.

    Where are Os elder relatives, and any long term friends.

  220. NMF,

    Obama is too embarassed to acknowledge his poor Kenyan relatives. He’s afraid they might tell the truth.

  221. freckles Says:
    October 12th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    As for the “Troopergate” coverage which is execrable, the question I still have never heard posed, is “Why WASN’T the trooper fired?”
    ====
    THere was a long detailed article on this quite a while back that came from an Alaska paper. He was suspended after a very long list of violations, but he belongs to a union, and the union got the suspension shortened significantly. The union has pretty much kept him his job. It had nothing to do with the guy she supposedly fired for not firing the trooper. There wasn’t much that guy could do anyway. She and her husband was calling asking this trooper to be investigated after he had been reported a year earlier, and she wasn’t even governor at the time. It is an amazing story really that makes the charges look incredibly bogus and partisan. But its the union that is protecting him.

  222. Hello my beautiful HillFans!!

    Tomorrow is going to be a bright and shiny day for us because the TRACKING POLLS ARE TIGHTENING…

    Per Druge:

    GALLUP DAILY: Obama-McCain Gap Narrows…

    ZOGBY MONDAY: OBAMA 48%, MCCAIN 44%… DEVELOPING…

    RASMUSSEN MONDAY: OBAMA 50%, MCCAIN 45%… DEVELOPING…

    **Also, he has a HUGE pic of McCain, with the headline “Ready for a comeback?” Sigh. There is nothing McCain does better.

  223. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/dont_tell_me_another_radical_i.html

    One of the beneficiaries is Marilyn Katz. Where have I heard that name before? She is a bundler for Barack Obama, a person with a radical past (head of security for the Students for a Democratic Society-SDS-fromm which Bill Ayers’ militant Weathermen group splintered).
    ========

    American Thinker is a rightwing pub, so commenting there is commenting to the choir.

    The same material is here with a more general audience:

    h t t p : / / http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-mk-bd-12-oct12,0,5393672.column
    Box is here, no login.

  224. And can I be totally trivial for a second?? As a gay boy, I just have to say that Sarah Palin’s highlights are lookin FIERCE!

    Someone hooked that lady up with Cindy’s stylist. Eat your heart out Michelle. Hell, eat something, anything.

    Back to business now. I am shooing my gayness away…

  225. Ahem. I just posted this on NQ:

    The tightening in the polls is a result of many things: The Ayers attacks are working; people don’t REALLY trust BO on the economy, he was just benefiting in the polls due to not being from the incumbent party, which always suffers in terms of the economy during an election year; and the closer we get to election day, more and more people are going to say “Who is Obama”? OR “I don’t really trust that man…”

  226. HillGuy

    The number of undecides is still large as I remember. If history repeats, they will break toward McCain, like they broke toward Hillary.

    In addition, the voters really are concerned about the Legislative bodies, and the Presidency being from the same Parties. Too much power.

  227. NewMexico, I sure hope people are concerned about too much power. I know I am.

    With BO, Pelosi, and Reid in charge of things (I just threw up in my mouth a little bit), I would not be able to take it.

  228. BTW, gas prices are dropping around the nation. In fact, the biggest drop in gas prices…Ever.

    McCain ’08
    Hillary (my hero) 2012

  229. CHECK THIS OUT!!!

    Sunday, October 12, 2008
    Photo Discovered Of Obama With Fellow Chicago Socialist Party Members

    gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/photo-discovered-of-obama-with-fellow.html

  230. I keep coming back to this analogy because it resonates with me–if you are heading into the Bering on a crab boat in heavy weather do you want an experiened captain at the helm or a deckhand who came on the boat two weeks ago with nothing but a pair of hip boots, a letter of recommendation from rezko, an I love ACORN tee shirt, a formal introduction from a mad bomber and a Harvard law review wallet card? To me it is a no brainer. Only a yellow dog would flunk that test.

  231. HillGay

    I did my own unofficial survey this weekend, balloon fiesta was going on.

    Besides few signs in yards here, there are few bottons and stickers on people. In fact, in my little survey, I saw no AA with a botton or sticker.

    Who is Vera Baker?

  232. neetabug my dear…For your reading pleasure:

    hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/who-is-vera-baker-and-why-is-she-in-martinique/

    OR how about this:

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/12/is-vera-baker-surfacing-as-a-potential-story-in-the-presidential-race/#comment-895601

    OBAMA HAD AN AFFAIR…and shipped the woman to Martinique until after the election is over. JUST LIKE EDWARDS, she was an employee of the campaign. What was that Michelle said about “If you can’t take care of your own house…?” Karma, bitch.

  233. All that money spent, and O still cannot close the deal.

    Do you remember the guys coming on after the fake nomination saying this could be the biggest win ever!!!

    Those financing this campaign should be worried at this point, and so should Rezko.

    The Super Delegates have fallen off the Cliff, followed by the financial types, and Rezko.

    300 years in jail is a long time. Plus how much do you get for voter fraud.

  234. We have to get the polling down to lower than 5. Carville says he does not know what will happen if O is leading by 5 and loses. So I guess if he is leading by 4 and loses it is OK.

  235. I saw the Enquirer about 5 months ago with Michelle’s picture on the front cover. It said something about her screaming at O over some woman. I am going to find that magazine.

  236. We have to get the polling down to lower than 5. Carville says he does not know what will happen if O is leading by 5 and loses. So I guess if he is leading by 4 and loses it is OK.
    ——————————————
    So let babi lose by 30. What does carvelle say would happen then?

  237. I saw the Enquirer about 5 months ago with Michelle’s picture on the front cover. It said something about her screaming at O over some woman. I am going to find that magazine.
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    Martinique? 105!
    We’re having a heat wave
    A tropical heat wave
    The temperatures rising
    It isnt suprising
    He certainly can–can can

  238. Remember that story about Ben Hogan sitting in the club house of Shady Oaks Country in Fort Worth watching Doug Sanders on televison freeze over a 2 foot putt to win the 1972 British Open.

    Suddenly, the normally tacturn Hogan shouted across the room step back and get the fuck away from it. Sanders of course could not hear him, finally managed execute the putt, missed and went on to lose in a sudden death playoff.

    Hillary–step back from Obama. Please . . . . . 50 appearances on his behalf is enough (some might say 50 too many, but we understand your commitment to the party.)

    You just dont want to be associated with what is coming out on him–no loyal American does. Never defend an indefensible position.

  239. meiyingsu, I don’t think she looks that bad. She always looks great to me, I love her.

    But every time I hear her stump for BO, I can’t help but remind myself that John McCain is one of her closest friends in the Senate. And she’d rather be in Martinique with Vera Baker than on the stump for Gutter Ball.

  240. Obama Born In Kenya? His Grandmother Says Yes
    ——————————————–
    I always believe grandmothers. They are too old to lie and too independent to care about pretense

  241. We received this via email. It’s the Howard Stern show. The interviewer attributes McCain policies to Obama and say Obama’s running mate is Sarah Palin and the Obama supporters still support Obama. It’s late night humor.

  242. meiyingsu Says:

    October 13th, 2008 at 12:36 am
    —————————————–
    I agree with you. Also she never sounded shrill to me before but she does now. Joe Biden looked sympathetic. I thinks he knows how tough this is on her emotionally and health-wise.

    We have got to defeat the thug from Chicago. We cannot allow him and his minions to take over our country. He is a bad man and the people behind him are the epitome of evil.

    This is a new reaction for me. Every campaign has a devil and that is part of it. But this is not an election –it is a social movement, like the national socialist movement in Germany.

    I cannot say when our Crystal Night will come–but come it will if he is elected.

  243. And the tide is turning:

    “World Markets Edge Upward”

    foxnews.com/story/0,2933,436664,00.html
    ———————————————
    that is encouraging news if it holds. I was told by one of the major brokerage houses on Friday that they believed we were within 10-15 points of a bottom and Steve Forbes reported the same thing over the weekend. If it holds it may give us the breathing room we need to fix the system and keep people in their homes. God speed.

  244. Good news in CO, someone on NQ just posted voter registration stats by party (according to the CO Secretary of State’s website): The breakdown is 30% Dem, 34% Repub, 36% Indy. For all polls coming out of CO, make sure these are the sampling numbers.

    Based on those numbers, McCain will assuredly win CO. Repubs ALWAYS vote. Dems don’t. Factor in the 30% of Hillary supporters voting for McCain, and we can already make a projection.

  245. Man I hate this 30 minutes of computer time at this new freaking job. I hate not knowing what is going on. Its encouraging that the world markets are edging up.
    Wow, Vera Baker, LMAO, if you can’t take care of your own house Mrs. Obama, you can’t take care of the WhiteHouse, I am loving this. Just tell me when this is coming out!!!

  246. Quite a disturbing revealation for the First Lady of Hate. I figured she would turn into Loraina Bobbitt! How do you suppose he bamboozled his way out of that one? Better we should not know.

  247. I don’t know about you guys, but that image of Hillary campaigning in the rain with the black trench on gets me every time.

  248. I don’t know about you guys, but that image of Hillary campaigning in the rain with the black trench on gets me every time
    ——————————————–
    only last may
    when the world
    was young

  249. I think it was Lincoln who said if you want to test a mans character give him power.

    The higher position obama assumes the more arrogant and imperious he becomes.

    He has no business being president. He lacks the necessary attributes of character.

  250. hillguy, meiyingsu and others

    thanks for the encouraging news-updates over-night. polls, markets and videos. hillguy, especially like the update regarding sarah’s highlights! 😉

  251. HillGuy Says:
    October 12th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
    With BO, Pelosi, and Reid in charge of things (I just threw up in my mouth a little bit), I would not be able to take it.
    —————————————————————————————————
    i really think McC needs to hammer this home. i truly believe the majority of americans will throw-up in their collective mouths realizing this is a distinct possibility if they vote for BHO!

  252. Thank you, lin, for that explanation of trooper’s ability to remain. Even unions have corrupted themselves.

    With BO in chargewith Pelosi and Reid, there won’t be a responsible union left. I am a longtime union supporter but not this nonsense. To fire a teacher with that bunch running rampant, he would have to rape a nun…..nahh that would just get him a suspension, or, as in Nicaragua, a medal.

    Does a vision of bananas come to anybody else’s mind?

    Gandhi and King were remarkable leaders. They turned around huge countries in a largely non-violent way. I’m afraid that with “that one” we will go the way of Haiti.

  253. Thank you, lin, for that explanation of trooper’s ability to remain. Even unions have corrupted themselves.

    With BO in chargewith Pelosi and Reid, there won’t be a responsible union left. I am a longtime union supporter but not this nonsense. To fire a teacher with that bunch running rampant, he would have to rape a nun…..nahh that would just get him a suspension, or, as in Nicaragua, a medal.

    Does a vision of bananas come to anybody else’s mind?

    Gandhi and King were remarkable leaders. They turned around huge countries in a largely non-violent way. I’m afraid that with “that one” we will go the way of Haiti.

  254. ADMIN! Can you embed?
    OMG!!!!
    Thius clip should get your engines revved for the day.
    Liberal Outrage at a pro-McCain march
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQalRPQ8stI

    I can finally let go of the regret I’ve harbored over the past 15 years of the liberal radical pampered wealthy bytch who stoe my rent-controlled apartment fin Loesada from me after I’d sublet it to her for a couple of years and then wanted to move back to NYC.

    And to think i used to be so proud of having lived in the cultural capital of the country. Now I’m just so glad to tbe outta there!

  255. Double OMG!!!!!!!

    BO caught on tape respondiong to a white plumber’s concern about rising taxes by saying . . .

    and I QUOTE!!!!

    “WHEN YOU SPREAD the WEALTH AROUND i believe it helps everyone!!!!!”
    From a weekend rally!
    (heard this on fox)

  256. WSJ says under BO’s 95% tax cut the 40% in the country who don’t PAY TAXES will get a CHECK!!!!!

    Ohhhhhh —–thatreally pisses me off having recently gone through he11 and back to get just a small portion of the 30% of my teacher battle pay back to tide me over during an illness! I had to jump through hoops, perform triple double axels and scream my lings out to get any assistance (which, of course – was my money in the first place).

    I’ll try to find the WSJ link.
    (heard that on fox)

  257. Well, couldn’t find the wsj article but there’s plenty of other info online so here’s a brief explanation.

    Presently, the bottom 40% of income earners pay zero income taxes. The top 20% pay 80% of all the federal income taxes. Therefore, it is not possible to give the bottom 40% a tax cut because they pay no money to the government. So this begs the question: How is Barack Obama proposing to give a tax cut to 95% of Americans?

    The truth is that he is not going to give a tax cut to most Americans; it is not possible. Instead, he is going to give a subsidy to the bottom 40%. Sadly, the mainstream media does not know the difference so they claim that Obama is telling the truth. In fact, it is very likely that Obama does not understand the distinction either.

    See the chart below for a breakdown from the Washington Post. The chart makes it seem that the bottom will get a better tax savings under Obama. No, they are just getting a welfare check.

    media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-…8061200193.gif

    So why is this such an important distinction?

    If the bottom 40% receive a check in the mail without working, that is essentially removing TANF via Barack Obama’s backdoor tax plan. The only eligibility requirements to get a check from the government according to Barack Obama’s plan is to be in the bottom percentage of income earners. There are no other requirements.

    The worst aspect of it all, is that those people will lose their government checks if they decided to work longer hours, find higher paying employment, or get promoted. Talk about turning Bill Clinton’s welfare reform on its head.

    In fact, one can call Barack Obama’s plan exactly what it is, wealth redistribution, also known as Socialism.

  258. Good Morning

    Wait a minute, O needs to get his paper handled to him on that, to make sure he understands it.

    Sorry, I just had to say that.

  259. basil9 : The plan that The Hustler has proposed is the core of his “Legacy of Restitution ” plan that he has had in mind since he was inserted into the political scene my the DNC band of conspiritors that stole the election from Hillary and turned it over to the welfare army led by ACORN.A sad and dangerous example of how a government can be overthrown with bribery and lies.The truth must come out soon or this revolution will proceed and America as we have known,loved,gave lives for ,will no longer exist.The democratic party has failed us and trouble of the greatest magnitude will unfold.

    ” TO THINK WE COULD HAVE HAD HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON ”

    By ABM90

  260. James harris, a thoughful black commentator, just talked about the Lewis remarks and said he was appalled and thinks this election is divisive and the Bo camp is using white guilt and racism.

    an honest journalist. i didn’t think they existed anymore.

    nmf, BO doesn’t care. he’s been handed everything all his life. personally, when i finally reached top salary, 16 or so years into the job, a masters degree, half of a phd degree and 36+ credits laters any increase i saw was immediately gobbled up by higher taxes due to my having entered a different tax bracket. 😡

  261. basil9

    I agree. He believe in socialism to get elected, but he still wants the Million dollar house, even if he has to make a deal with the Devil.

  262. Recommend: wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77815
    Obama didn’t write ‘Dreams from My Father’
    Posted: October 13, 2008
    1:00 am Eastern
    by Jack Cashill — an Emmy-award winning independent writer and producer with a Ph.D. in American Studies from Purdue.

    intriguing analysis of style and content suggests Ayres

  263. I hope you see it differently than I do and tell me if you really think I am wrong but I have watched that cnn tape twice now. I cannot reconcile my recollection of Hillary with what I am seeing now.

    To my eye at least our girl looks and sounds harsh and comes across as an ideologue rather than the intelligent populist we saw in the primaries. What happened to the woman we once loved? And why is she promoting to this degree a man with limited experience, toxic associations, and no commitment to anything beyond himself?

    Please don’t tell me its just party politics–those explanations no longer wash. His commitment to democratic principles is suspect at best. And, I know she is tired to the point of exhaustion but she has been tired before. There is more to it but I am not sure I know what it is . . . .

    Years ago I met a man on an airplane whose family was involved in the worlds oldest profession. His job was collections. He told me a couple things I have never forgotten. One was that he was in the short con business, but banks and insurance companies are the long con. We are certainly seeing evidence of that now.

    The other thing he said was when somebody is threatening you –you must take the threat away and force his hand in a way he never expected. If it is a bluff you find out. If it is not then you drag him down with you. But one way or the other you must disarm him. Otherwise he owns you.

  264. Another day, another week, another set of polls today probably proclaiming the god child of victory and spreading the bullshit around.

    Looking forward to tearing them apart.

  265. lil ole grape

    Amazing, as I just had a discussion the other day on this.

    The person was sure that he had written it, and I was sure that it had been written for him.

  266. lil ole grape Says:

    October 13th, 2008 at 9:00 am
    Recommend: wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77815
    Obama didn’t write ‘Dreams from My Father’
    Posted: October 13, 2008
    1:00 am Eastern
    by Jack Cashill — an Emmy-award winning independent writer and producer with a Ph.D. in American Studies from Purdue.

    intriguing analysis of style and content suggests Ayres
    —————————————–
    I think we may know this author with his connection to Purdue. I do not think he wrote that book either. Manchurian candidates do not write books, law review articles or the like. They are too busy promoting other forms of mischief.

  267. We do not see what we want to see in HRC at the present because we are not taking the long view — we want ‘immediate gratification’ but that’s short-sighted. She just simply has got to get through this, that’s all. And we must be patient… or throw her overboard if that’s where confusion leads us.Picking over every bit of info every few minutes every day leads us to intense frustration and muddies our perspective. Yes?

  268. NewMexicoFan Says: “The person was sure that he had written it, and I was sure that it had been written for him.”

    Send that person this article. It’s very convincing.

  269. Did anyone here respond to Lynn Forester’s request for suggestions re future use of her website? I did and got a nice reply. SHe is really working hard for MCCain and urging us to get on the phones — go to citizens.johnmccain.com/citizens.htm

  270. This whole thing is surreal.

    The first question you ask about any proposed leader is who are they?

    Obama has not answered that question. He hides the ball on where he was borne. He is evasive in terms of policies. And foreign money has guided him. He has friendships with thieves and terrorists. And big media is doing everything they can to shove him down on throats.

    This is the greatest mystery of our time. Until solid answers are forthcoming it is madness for anyone with an IQ above room temperature to vote for him.

  271. What I see in HRC and Bill is that they are using their influence to get nObama elected. Now, I know that they will not influrence those of us who left or detest the undemocratic Democratic Party but the ones that keep hoping for reform of the Democratic Party continue to be influence by them; and this will sway those people over to nObama. And, this may cause McCain to lose. I understand full well that the Clintons KNOW the purpose and intent of nObama and his minions, therefore, they know that they can HELP him win. That I will never live long enough to forgive – our country is at stake. It is evident that some sort of threat is what the Clinton’s are operating under, but to affect the millions upon millions of just their supporters by helping to implement a coup of country for ill begotten purposes is not acceptable.
    I wondered this morning, where is Chelsea and Hillary’s mother? For I think I know the Clinton’s well enough that the threat is more and bigger than their personal well being. What could be the threat that is so grave that they have caved to the sacrifice of this country and its people?

  272. I had a dream last night about bambi. I dreamed he was the trustee in bankruptcy for the United States. He was appointed by Saudi Arabia and other interests to preside over the destruction of the middle class and the repayment of debt. The public lands were set up as collateral and a repayment schedule was established which will equalize wages with those in China. Radical student leaders from the 60s were brought it indoctrinate us in the ways of Obama. No dissent permitted. Reeducation camps for those who disobey. Placard of Obama everywhere and teleprompters blaring songs in his honor.

    Then I woke up and wondered if I had really been dreaming–or it was darkness at noon.

  273. lil ole grape

    I already have emailed it. I was just one tiny step ahead of you. This is where I get my free press, and share it with others.

  274. shortermer

    I hear ya, if they are threatened or Chelsea, or her mom, i would come out at news conference and let the world know what is going on.

  275. FINALLY!!!

    Some black reporters and talk show hosts exhibiting fairness.

    Armstrong Williams, a radio host, just denounced John Lewis and BO for playing the race card against JM. He says they owe JM an apology.

    It’s about time!

    (although I didn’t like the way Williams continued calling HRC racist in NC and for the Robert Kennedy reference).

  276. ShortTermer says, “What could be the threat that is so grave that they have caved to the sacrifice of this country and its people?”

    Maybe they have some reason to think the SOB isn’t going to be elected?

  277. I think we have reached a point where people are numb to the racist charge. When you cry wolf once to often, people ignore you.

  278. FOXhitting the hate against Palin and JM today.

    In addition to the John Lewis issue megan just showed pics of those bots wearing sarah is a c*** tee-shirts and is reporting on the hustler magazine cover with a Palin impersonator.

    also covering the Cayahuga, Ohio Acorn voter fraud hearing.

  279. NMF — Absolutely! Somebody said to me yesterday, “You know what? — Obama is a racist! That’s all those Obama guys think about — skin! I don’t think about skin all the time, do you? SO who’s the racist?

  280. wbboei, shorttermer,

    I am so sad to hear abouot HRC. i can’t bring myself to watch any clips shpwing her stumping for That One.

  281. lil ole grape Says:

    October 13th, 2008 at 10:01 am
    NMF — Absolutely! Somebody said to me yesterday, “You know what? — Obama is a racist! That’s all those Obama guys think about — skin! I don’t think about skin all the time, do you? SO who’s the racist?

    ——————————————————————————————————

    OBAMA IS THE RACIST

  282. basil9

    Those T-shirts are crossing the line. Can you imagine O T-shirts with O is a Stxx. There would be outrage.

  283. The only way Obama could possibly outdo himself as anymore racist would be to white up his face and imitate McCain on live TV.

  284. basil9 Says:

    October 13th, 2008 at 10:00 am
    FOXhitting the hate against Palin and JM today.

    In addition to the John Lewis issue megan just showed pics of those bots wearing sarah is a c*** tee-shirts and is reporting on the hustler magazine cover with a Palin impersonator.

    ——————————————————————————————–

    THESE ARE THE PEOPLE VOTING FOR O. WE CAN’T LET THIS MAN IN THE WH

  285. Maybe we need a counter T-Shirt for when we need to stand opposite them.

    something like

    “A C$$$ is useful unlike Obama”

  286. moononpluto Says:

    October 13th, 2008 at 10:20 am
    Maybe we need a counter T-Shirt for when we need to stand opposite them.

    something like

    “A C$$$ is useful unlike Obama”

    —————————————————————————————–

    GREAT LINE

  287. All you have to do is watch the whole clip of Bill and Hill stumping for Obama and you can almost see the 357 in their back. If you pay close attention you can see a sympathy look from Biden while Hillary is speaking. Its real folks, they are being held against their will. I just wonder what the threat is, personally I think its our freedom, she said as much in her speech at the convention. I will never forget that speech, “if you hear the dogs barking keep on going”. She spelled it out folks, the country is under assault!

  288. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122385651698727257.html

    Obama’s 95% Illusion
    It depends on what the meaning of ‘tax cut’ is.

    One of Barack Obama’s most potent campaign claims is that he’ll cut taxes for no less than 95% of “working families.” He’s even promising to cut taxes enough that the government’s tax share of GDP will be no more than 18.2% — which is lower than it is today.

    It’s a clever pitch, because it lets him pose as a middle-class tax cutter while disguising that he’s also proposing one of the largest tax increases ever on the other 5%. But how does he conjure this miracle, especially since more than a third of all Americans already pay no income taxes at all? There are several sleights of hand, but the most creative is to redefine the meaning of “tax cut.”

    For the Obama Democrats, a tax cut is no longer letting you keep more of what you earn. In their lexicon, a tax cut includes tens of billions of dollars in government handouts that are disguised by the phrase “tax credit.” Mr. Obama is proposing to create or expand no fewer than seven such credits for individuals:

    – A $500 tax credit ($1,000 a couple) to “make work pay” that phases out at income of $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 per couple.

    – A $4,000 tax credit for college tuition.

    – A 10% mortgage interest tax credit (on top of the existing mortgage interest deduction and other housing subsidies).

    – A “savings” tax credit of 50% up to $1,000.

    – An expansion of the earned-income tax credit that would allow single workers to receive as much as $555 a year, up from $175 now, and give these workers up to $1,110 if they are paying child support.

    – A child care credit of 50% up to $6,000 of expenses a year.

    – A “clean car” tax credit of up to $7,000 on the purchase of certain vehicles.

    Here’s the political catch. All but the clean car credit would be “refundable,” which is Washington-speak for the fact that you can receive these checks even if you have no income-tax liability. In other words, they are an income transfer — a federal check — from taxpayers to nontaxpayers. Once upon a time we called this “welfare,” or in George McGovern’s 1972 campaign a “Demogrant.” Mr. Obama’s genius is to call it a tax cut.

    The Tax Foundation estimates that under the Obama plan 63 million Americans, or 44% of all tax filers, would have no income tax liability and most of those would get a check from the IRS each year. The Heritage Foundation’s Center for Data Analysis estimates that by 2011, under the Obama plan, an additional 10 million filers would pay zero taxes while cashing checks from the IRS.

    The total annual expenditures on refundable “tax credits” would rise over the next 10 years by $647 billion to $1.054 trillion, according to the Tax Policy Center. This means that the tax-credit welfare state would soon cost four times actual cash welfare. By redefining such income payments as “tax credits,” the Obama campaign also redefines them away as a tax share of GDP. Presto, the federal tax burden looks much smaller than it really is.

    The political left defends “refundability” on grounds that these payments help to offset the payroll tax. And that was at least plausible when the only major refundable credit was the earned-income tax credit. Taken together, however, these tax credit payments would exceed payroll levies for most low-income workers.

    It is also true that John McCain proposes a refundable tax credit — his $5,000 to help individuals buy health insurance. We’ve written before that we prefer a tax deduction for individual health care, rather than a credit. But the big difference with Mr. Obama is that Mr. McCain’s proposal replaces the tax subsidy for employer-sponsored health insurance that individuals don’t now receive if they buy on their own. It merely changes the nature of the tax subsidy; it doesn’t create a new one.

    There’s another catch: Because Mr. Obama’s tax credits are phased out as incomes rise, they impose a huge “marginal” tax rate increase on low-income workers. The marginal tax rate refers to the rate on the next dollar of income earned. As the nearby chart illustrates, the marginal rate for millions of low- and middle-income workers would spike as they earn more income.

    Some families with an income of $40,000 could lose up to 40 cents in vanishing credits for every additional dollar earned from working overtime or taking a new job. As public policy, this is contradictory. The tax credits are sold in the name of “making work pay,” but in practice they can be a disincentive to working harder, especially if you’re a lower-income couple getting raises of $1,000 or $2,000 a year. One mystery — among many — of the McCain campaign is why it has allowed Mr. Obama’s 95% illusion to go unanswered.

  289. basil9 Says:

    October 13th, 2008 at 10:03 am
    wbboei, shorttermer,

    I am so sad to hear abouot HRC. i can’t bring myself to watch any clips shpwing her stumping for That One.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    Like a hostage situation. “I am being treated very nicely. They have ping pong, and we have pizza on Fridays”.

    I too cannot bear to watch.

    Analysis:

    Every other Bill, Chris and John did their “one-and-out” speech: “I support blah blah blah…” Hillary owed no more than that.

    But she was and is going to be judged by a much harsher standard. She’s working the inside game, appeasing Dems. Someone has to unify the party.

    Obama don’t play dat. Obama works for Obama. A President Obama on Day 1 would be ready… to start working on his re-election:
    a) selling out and pandering to whomever he has to (“I was against FISA before I semi-endorsed specific terms”)
    b) if you thought the intimidation and control of the media was suffocating during the nomination and up to Nov. 4th, just wait for Gestapo-bots after.

    Hillary will either get a pat on the back for helping Obummah win, or be poised to unify Dems if he loses: some heads are gonna roll…

  290. OBAMA IS THE RACIST
    ——————————————
    True. And the first one to say that was professor sean wilentz after studying the way bambi operated in south carolina.

    The title of his article was Race Man.

  291. wbboei: That was a great article by Wilentz. The true racists in this campaign, belong to the BO campaign. They have created so much divisiveness and anger that it has taken race relations back 40-50 years.

  292. Krugman wins Econ Nobel. He is a reluctant warrior for Obama these days — he did not criticize Obama’s plans strongly enough.

  293. Armstrong Williams, a radio host, just denounced John Lewis and BO for playing the race card against JM. He says they owe JM an apology.
    ——————————————
    Basil: I would not throw that fellow a life ring if he was drowning after the way he treated Hillary. He is as much of a race baiter as bambi is. He is the one who should be apologizing, but even if he was man enough to do that (which he is not) it is far too late to do any good.

    I sure wish Thomas Sowell was more involved in this. He is one of my heroes, and I suspect he would be dismissive of Armstrong. What good does it do for bambi to say it was a boneheaded mistake after he has spent the past fifteen dividing the nation as a matter of strategy?

  294. My comment applied to Armstrong not Lewis. Lewis is an old man who sees visions and has been pressured. I do not hold him responsible for what he says because his best years are behind him and that is how he should be remembered.

  295. birdgal Says:

    October 13th, 2008 at 10:43 am
    wbboei: That was a great article by Wilentz. The true racists in this campaign, belong to the BO campaign. They have created so much divisiveness and anger that it has taken race relations back 40-50 years.
    ——————————————-
    The campaign strategy devised by Obama, Axelrod, Plouffe and Burton was to aggravate race relations in this country for political advantage. That has been clear since south carolina and it continues unabated to this day. This is part and pacel of radical 1960s politics which Bambi is a second geneation product of.

  296. McCain: The next president won’t have time to study up on the issues before he makes a decision, he will have to make a decision quickly relying on his experience, his ideals

    OUCH!!! I bet BHO is feeling the bite out of his A$$ today 😀

  297. Pm

    LOL yea i guess so……..cuz if he had the gloves on it would be soft punches and today was no soft punching going on 😀

    YEAH!!

  298. djia,

    you mean his gloves off! LOL

    Wbboei,
    TTTT, that’s the first time i’ve seen Armstrong and I didn’t like his comments about HRC, saying she played the race card. At least he admitted Lewis should apologize but yeah, he lsounds like a creep.

    The other black commentator i mentioned, James Harris, seemed genuinely apalled by BO’s racist strategy. He’s the one who called it what it is; the white guilt card.

  299. lindax,
    great article.

    that’s exactly what happened to me: 1 or 2 G raise per year, finally hitting what’s called the ‘bubble’ step and although my income shot up by almost 10g my take home pay was less than before.

    it was quite a shock. 😯
    “Some families with an income of $40,000 could lose up to 40 cents in vanishing credits for every additional dollar earned from working overtime or taking a new job. As public policy, this is contradictory. The tax credits are sold in the name of “making work pay,” but in practice they can be a disincentive to working harder, especially if you’re a lower-income couple getting raises of $1,000 or $2,000 a year.

  300. meiyingsu Says:

    October 13th, 2008 at 11:15 am
    McCan and Palin live in Virgina http://www.cnn.com stream
    ——————————————
    This is a great video.

    John and Sara have a hopeful message. He is a counterexample to Bush.

    Bambi and Biden have a negative divisive one. They are a product of the welfare state and the counterculture of he late 1960s.

    McCain says if I am elected president. Bambi says when I am president. McCain believes in the America People, whereas Bambi believes in the divine right of kings.

    McCain is main street. Bambi is wall street.

  301. His smug wife made me sick on Larry King…he kissed her ass all night. She would not have endorsed Hillary and he would never be doing what the Clinton’s have done for him after he race baited them among other things to steal the primary. Watching Hillary yesterday should remind everyone of the two (2) putzes we have compared to a stateswoman like her. A sad day either way Nov. 4th.

  302. djia, it was a good speech as I see from this transcript:

    thepage.time.com/mccains-prepared-remarks-for-virginia-beach-monday/

  303. basil,Pm…….if she was at a BHO event and allowed him to kiss her i would say she has already contracted the BHO plaque!

  304. ADMIN!

    Please embed!

    here’s the clip of the plumber asking BO about his tax plan and BO saying he thinks the wealth should be spread around.

    http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=195153

    about the kissy pic – JM has 2 blondes in an ad and he’s called racist so shouldn’t BO be called racist for planting smackers on blondes?

  305. Anyone else think Obama would be one of those guys who will haves his hands on whatever woman or man came his way, he just looks by the way he grabs that he would do anything.

  306. moonpluto,

    The left hand was brushing the woman’s chest but i couldn’t see the right hand . . . .

    he is disgusting.

    We should send that pic to Meeeeche- HeLL

  307. djia Says:

    October 13th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
    Pm

    I hope his speech today is an insight to wed nights debate
    &&&&&&&&&&&&

    I believe the last debate is Tuesday night.

  308. OMG!!!!!!
    Everyone go to Drudge and check this pic of BO kissing a woman.

    Can you say GROPE!!!!!!!
    Reminds me of the smack he planted on biden’s unsuspecting wife.
    ——————————————
    I have this vision of another woman in another airplane winging her way to Martinque while the First Lady of Hate sprints down the runway after her screaming all sorts of expletives about defling her house. Not exactly a Casa Blanca ending.

  309. “Everyone go to Drudge and check this pic of BO kissing a woman.

    Can you say GROPE!!!!!!!”
    ——————————
    Not to spoil your fun, but I enlarged the picture and he is not groping the woman – it’s a chaste kiss on the cheek and while his left hand is reaching for her upper arm, his right hand is shaking her right hand.

  310. Candidates differ on female draft
    Monday, October 13, 2008
    By Jerome L. Sherman, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

    Even as the U.S. confronts two long wars, neither Sen. John McCain nor Sen. Barack Obama believes the country should take the politically perilous step of reviving the military draft.

    But the two presidential candidates disagree on a key foundation of any future draft: Mr. Obama supports a requirement for both men and women to register with the Selective Service, while Mr. McCain doesn’t think women should have to register.

    Also, Mr. Obama would consider officially opening combat positions to women. Mr. McCain would not.

    “Women are already serving in combat [in Iraq and Afghanistan] and the current policy should be updated to reflect realities on the ground,” said Wendy Morigi, Mr. Obama’s national security spokeswoman. “Barack Obama would consult with military commanders to review the constraints that remain.”

    According to his campaign, Mr. McCain supports the current Department of Defense restrictions on women in combat units, including armor, field artillery and special forces.

    In 1980, President Jimmy Carter revived the Selective Service system, which compiles a list of nearly all men in the U.S. between 18 and 25 in case a crisis forces the government to undertake a massive expansion of the military.

    Both Congress and the Supreme Court have exempted women from registration because of the combat rules.

    For years, that position has rankled some women’s rights groups and men who face penalties for not registering — including loss of employment with the federal government — at a time when female soldiers regularly find themselves in dangerous situations in Iraq and Afghanistan, both conflicts without defined battlefields.

    Mr. McCain, a decorated former Navy pilot who spent five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, speaks often of how his military service has helped prepare him for the role of commander in chief and how his time as a captive in Hanoi reinforced his love of country.

    Yet he doesn’t want to see a return to mandatory service, for men or women, according to his presidential campaign.

    “Sen. McCain strongly believes that an all-volunteer force is preferable to a conscripted force,” said Paul Lindsay, a spokesman for the campaign. “The tools available to recruiters have historically enabled the all-volunteer force to attract sufficient numbers of qualified recruits.”

    His views are echoed by many high-ranking officers in the military, who prefer a force of motivated volunteers. But some of the same officers have also expressed concerns about the strains of more than six years of sustained combat in Afghanistan and Iraq, especially if the U.S. commitment in both countries doesn’t end in the near future.

    Mr. Obama has said repeatedly that he will draw down the U.S. military presence in Iraq if he becomes president, but he has also said he would increase the number of troops in Afghanistan, where Taliban forces have seen a resurgence in recent years.

    During a CNN/YouTube debate for Democratic presidential candidates last year, he said he doesn’t “agree” with the draft.

    But he did say women should be expected to register with the Selective Service, comparing the role of women to black soldiers and airmen who served during World War II, when the armed forces were still segregated.

    “There was a time when African-Americans weren’t allowed to serve in combat,” Mr. Obama said. “And yet, when they did, not only did they perform brilliantly, but what also happened is they helped to change America, and they helped to underscore that we’re equal.

    “And I think that if women are registered for service — not necessarily in combat roles, and I don’t agree with the draft — I think it will help to send a message to my two daughters that they’ve got obligations to this great country as well as boys do.”

    Elaine Donnelly, a former member of President Bill Clinton’s Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces, dismissed Mr. Obama’s comparison of the roles of women and black soldiers, arguing that males and females, in general, aren’t equal on the battlefield.

    “There are differences between men and women where physical strength is an issue,” said Ms. Donnelly, who heads the nonpartisan Center for Military Readiness. “There are a lot of civilian feminists who are making unreasonable demands on the military.”

    Nancy Duff Campbell, co-president of the National Women’s Law Center, argues that women should have a chance to compete for any position in the armed forces.

    “I hope a new president will revisit the restrictions,” she said.

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08287/919582-470.stm?cmpid=elections.xml

  311. next thing we know Obama campaign will accuse Drudge of being racist because it’s a Willie Horton tone to it – beware the black man…etc.

    meanwhile, that Drudge pic along with the alleged affair along with the showing off of his you know what to press on BO’s plane simply means he’s a dirty lewd man.

  312. grape,

    well, he always looks like he’s groping everyone. that left hand snakes out whenever he’s shaking hands with others.

    Saw the same thing at last week’s debate but JM was ready for him and while BO grabbed his left arm JM grabbed his.

    I agree with idunn that it’s a houdini trick to try and suck out your opponents brains. 😈

  313. So much for Obama running away with it

    Breaking: CNN/Gallup/Rasmussen/Zogby Polls Now Show Race Tightening up

    RASMUSSEN MONDAY: OBAMA 50%, MCCAIN 45%…

    ZOGBY MONDAY: OBAMA 48%, MCCAIN 44%…

    Gallup: 50% to 46% (LV)

    CNN: Ohio Poll of polls: McCain, Obama in tight race

    and thats with the built in Dem advantage bias overpolling, McCain looks in bloody good shape to me,

    What happened Bambi to that 12 point lead then.

  314. I don’t agree with the draft for women, women are certainly able but i always look at the 2nd world war, when the men went off, the women ran the country far more efficiently than the men ever did.

  315. Mr. Obama supports a requirement for both men and women to register with the Selective Service, while Mr. McCain doesn’t think women should have to register.

    Also, Mr. Obama would consider officially opening combat positions to women. Mr. McCain would not.
    —————————————–
    Wonder what his valley girl supporters think about those ideas. He is one cool dude, love to go someplace and . . . . . who me? draft? when? combat missions?????

    A gal should never hustle
    With a pick and axe
    To dig for gold
    That isnt her game

    She’ll find he man
    Thats got it and
    She get that man
    I’m gonna file my claim

    (Marilyn Monroe in The River of No Return)

  316. I am just back from our local Republican Hdqtrs. The person in charge of that office, said, I told you earlier it was a hostile takeover. She [who is an AA] said look at nObama’s body language. So what is his body language saying as I can not stand to hear or see him?
    Two young women in there asked for an explanation of why I am a Hillary Republican and it was given. I told them that we were pissed about John McCain saying that we should not be scared of a nObama presidency. I told them that we were scared, very scared, and that McCain should not have said that. I informed them that there were Hillary supporters at stake – the ones who are listening to Bill and Hill right now who believe that the Democratic Party can be reformed. And I asked, what is John McCain doing to win, or does he not want to win?
    The ladies in there asked these questions:
    -what has happened to Governor Crist here in FL, he has become ‘soft’
    -what about Karen Thurman?

    Do we know the answers to these questions?

  317. Moononpluto

    Thank you for all of those WW women that did that. Sometimes you wonder if anyone noticed.

    We were warned about those polls yesterday. I really think that McCain is timing it. There is no sense in edging ahead until you are at the finish line.

  318. McCain aide: ‘Turnaround’ starts today

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/13/campaign.wrap/index.html

    (CNN) — Sen. John McCain on Monday is delivering a new speech that a senior aide says he thinks “will begin a turnaround for the campaign” as Election Day approaches.

    “Sen. McCain will offer a frank assessment of the state of the election and the state of affairs for our country.

    “The theme is the new direction that Sen. McCain will take the country through his specific plans for creating jobs, helping those nearing retirement, keeping people in their homes and curbing spending,” the aide said.

    McCain’s speech comes the same day that Democratic candidate Barack Obama is laying out his economic rescue plan for the middle class.

    The Republican presidential candidate will “speak directly to people’s fears and worries about the state of our economy and the other challenges we face,” the aide said.

    McCain will also lay out what he sees as the differences between himself and Obama on experience, judgment and courage in the face of a national crisis, according to the aide.

  319. What’s wrong with this country? If we let elect this con artist, what will happeb to our first amendment? Go figure out…it will be USSA!!!!!

    I hope Americans will wake up!

    MCCAIN 08
    HRC 2012

  320. McCain is a military man, right? Why not work with Patraeus on a military type strategy to take down nObama?

  321. basil9 Says:
    Saw the same thing at last week’s debate but JM was ready for him and while BO grabbed his left arm JM grabbed his.

    I agree with idunn that it’s a houdini trick to try and suck out your opponents brains.
    =============

    I agree. It’s a distraction/control thing. He mentioned doing it in a quarrel between his white grandarents, see Sailer’s blog link at ironmyvote.com/#obamabackground. Like, “Calm down now, just give me full control of your mind….”

  322. I don’t agree with the draft for women, women are certainly able but i always look at the 2nd world war, when the men went off, the women ran the country far more efficiently than the men ever did
    ——————————————–
    and they did very well in the service in world war 2 as well. I think these opportunities should be available but not forced. Despite his vast military experience bambi is wrong on both counts.

  323. The Citizens for McCain phone banks are up and running. Please help us in our efforts to reach out to Democrats and Independents in targeted regions near you to ensure that we secure the support of every potential voter who could make the difference in this tight race. Please use the links below to connect to the phone bank and begin making calls to these voters who are putting country before party.
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  324. wbboei:I really believe you and I are the only two people that understand the strategy that Hillary and Bill have been using to keep the party together and still preserve the18 mil plus supporters that they have worked so hard and so long for.Had she walked away from this very complex situation that the DNC and The Hustler have developed to take over the political system and entrap our country and its loyal citizens in a snake pit of racial tensions and fear of what these wild ones will do to fulfil his promises of his “Legact of Retributions”.If he goes down and I believe he will,Hillary willhave a party at her back that she did not abandon and has fought so hard to save and his Deaf Dumb and Blind worshippers will see the reality of his lies and exploitation being as false as his character and ambitions.This sad sack of xxxx will go down in history as the enemy within that almost overthrew our wonderful Democracy.You partime political pundits see Hillary a weak tired and confused failure.I say you are wrong.Isee a brave patriotic person willing throw herself across the tracks to save us from ourselves and making the wrong choice due to fear and uncertainty of what may happen to if we do not support the Hustler.If He goes down so shall Dean Pelosi Brazille and Reid and Hillary will still be standing there strong and ready for the role of CIC.

    ” I STILL THINK SHE WILL BE THE SALVATION FOR OUR COUNTRY AND WILL BRING A UNITED AND A PEACEFUL WORLD OUT OF THE MESS THAT BHO HAS CREATED IN HIS LUST FOR POWER AND ADULATION.

  325. basil9 Says:
    Saw the same thing at last week’s debate but JM was ready for him and while BO grabbed his left arm JM grabbed his.

    I agree with idunn that it’s a houdini trick to try and suck out your opponents brains.
    =============

    I agree. It’s a distraction/control thing. He mentioned doing it in a quarrel between his white grandarents, see Sailer’s blog link at ironmyvote.com/#obamabackground. Like, “Calm down now, just give me full control of your mind….”
    —————————————-
    He did it as well to Lieberman if you recall.

    Next time he does that to someone they should grab him by the nuts and say now bambi we wont hurt eachother will we. Now that is control.

  326. Castro: Racism in US keeps many away from Obama
    Oct 11, 11:37 PM (ET)

    (AP) Students hold up a photograph of Cuban leader Fidel Castro as they sing in honor to late…
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    HAVANA (AP) – Fidel Castro says a “profound racism” in the United States will stop millions from voting for Barack Obama in next month’s presidential election.

    The ailing, 82-year-old former Cuban president says it is “a miracle that the Democratic candidate hasn’t suffered the same luck as (assassinated leaders) Martin Luther King, Malcolm X and others who harbored dreams of equality and justice.”

    Castro’s written comments were published by state media Saturday. In them, he insists a “profound racism” exists in the U.S. and that millions of whites “cannot reconcile themselves to the idea that a black person … could occupy the White House, which is called just that: white.”

    Castro also described Republican presidential candidate John McCain as “bellicose.”

    apnews.myway.com/article/20081012/D93ON3T00.html
    *****************************************************
    We are refighting the 60’s and the more Obama keep calling people racist and have communist dictators championing him. The more suspect we should be about Obama…Castro never supported Colin Powell or Condeleazza Rice great Americans in MLK mode.

    Obama doesn’t care about Black people, he see us as weak and victims, he has never done anything to improve the life of those of the least of us. We are just a cover for those radical left that want to use us for their own agenda.

  327. I got angry this morning, not because of this election directly but about our government.

    The government has regulated people and not itself, the government cries for every program it wants to fund but not for the people, the goverment takes and takes and takes our money and the people suffer at the hands of the elitist. the government is tooooooooo big.

    Taking money from the rich to give to the poor is NOT the answer. Funding government should be for national security, science, health, infrastructure and education. We dont need to study the sex habits of earthworms, but we do need to correct the transmission of communicable dieases. We don’t need to lift up the poor, we need to give them the tools to lift up themselves. We don’t need to give handout outs just hand ups. I could go on infinitum but you get the point.

    I like that John McCain is willing to freeze spending except for the vital interests of our country (we need to watch that though), I like that he is willing to put a halt on pork barrel spending, I like that he is not a clueless man when it comes to our national security. I want someone to watch my back and I trust him to do that. I don’t trust BHO with my back…he’ll put a knife in it.

    thanks for letting me rant

  328. Castro’s written comments were published by state media Saturday. In them, he insists a “profound racism” exists in the U.S. and that millions of whites “cannot reconcile themselves to the idea that a black person … could occupy the White House, which is called just that: white.”

    Is this asshole EVER gonna kick the bucket? WTF ?

  329. I’m laughing i just looked at that WApo’abc poll again, before they split it into voter models

    The samples were Dems 36% Repubs 26% Indies 31%. total dog of a poll.

  330. ABM90, I don’t believe anybody outside very discrete inner circles knows what anybody’s strategy is, but I do know that if we don’t do all we can to help McCain win, we are nothing but internet chatter.

    The Citizens for McCain phone banks are up and running. Please help us in our efforts to reach out to Democrats and Independents in targeted regions near you to ensure that we secure the support of every potential voter who could make the difference in this tight race. Please use the links posted above.

  331. wbboei said: The campaign strategy devised by Obama, Axelrod, Plouffe and Burton was to aggravate race relations in this country for political advantage. That has been clear since south carolina and it continues unabated to this day. This is part and pacel of radical 1960s politics which Bambi is a second geneation product of
    ===============

    Second generation is right. He’s a second generation wannabee. One of the cites at my 1950democrat.livejournal.com says he was fascinated by the MLK era, the jailhouse songs, and “wanted to join the club”. This was from a reputable source, Chi Trib profile or Lizza TNR profile.

  332. wbboei Says: My comment applied to Armstrong not Lewis. Lewis is an old man who sees visions and has been pressured. I do not hold him responsible for what he says because his best years are behind him and that is how he should be remembered
    =================

    Im reading the thread backwards. Maybe you have better evidence for the holy vision story than just one poster named Ron at Confluence (I haven’t followed up on that).

    But if he really changed because of a vision, why did he initally give out the story of beng pressured by the BO camp — or at least let it go undisputed?

  333. I think if BHO wants his picture on our paper money, we should creat a limited edition 3 dollar bill and put his picture on it. It will surely be a collectors item, and it might even stimulate the economy. He can have whatever he wants………….JUST NOT THE PRESIDENCY

  334. Does anyone by any chance have a link to Alexi Giannoulis and Mutual Of Harvey Bank where they talk about some scandal involving ties to the mob?

    I read that awhile back, and now I can’t find it.

  335. wbboei Says: My comment applied to Armstrong not Lewis. Lewis is an old man who sees visions and has been pressured. I do not hold him responsible for what he says because his best years are behind him and that is how he should be remembered

    I’m completely at odds with this statement on Lewis. The man is an elected official. He needs to step down before I have that kind of sentiment.

  336. Bullshit, the poll is really even. Qeuestion 901
    ——————————————
    we need an alternative to big media. their treacherous lies do great harm to the country, and in times of crisis when we need an honest voice all we get from them is a corrupt one. A nation cannot survive on lies/

  337. Wow

    The racetrack complex in Richmond where Governor Palin is scheduled to speak at 2:00.

    The crowd is 30,000 and growing. Huge Crowd.

  338. ((Idunn,)) glad to hear it! I always knew you’re a real trooper!– don’t forget to let us know how it goes for you. Any others out there willing to soldier for McCain? See links above.
    Bye!

  339. lil ole grape Says: Maybe they have some reason to think the SOB isn’t going to be elected?
    ====================

    The writer of the NY Mag cover interviw with Hillary in early June said that the Cliintons were privately “very pessiistic” abouto Obama being elected. However a lot has happened since — or has’nt hapened, like the GOP not attacking him with Wright etc.

  340. wbboei Says: My comment applied to Armstrong not Lewis. Lewis is an old man who sees visions and has been pressured. I do not hold him responsible for what he says because his best years are behind him and that is how he should be remembered

    I’m completely at odds with this statement on Lewis. The man is an elected official. He needs to step down before I have that kind of sentiment.
    ——————————————
    debbie: you are right of course. You answered the way I would have. If you accept what I said then the oath of office means nothing.

  341. You don’t know the half of it Grape…I despise phone banking with a passion. Hated it when I did it for HRC, too. 😉

    But wth…I’ll put up or shut up in this case. if I truly believe Obama is dangerous (which I absolutely do!), then I have to be willing to get alittle dirty in the process.

    So…who else is willing to do some phone banking for McCain? C’mon folks…you can’t bitch later if you didn’t do your part to help. 😛

  342. ABM90, You addressed us as, ‘You partime political pundits [who] see Hillary a weak tired and confused failure.’ I have been at this pretty much full time for about a year and half now, and may not be as political savvy as you and wobbei, but I can tell you one thing for sure, I am not stupid and I know right from wrong, left from right, up from down. I know when someone is bamboozling, okie doking, lying, or trying to steal something – they have been pretty transparent on this issue. And, their youth have even forewarned us during the primary.
    The big question that will not be answered until Nov 4th is WILL NOBAMA LOSE? The way I see it, is not whether it is won or lost; it is whether it is stolen just like the primary nomination. Our country is under seige and NOBODY should be helping the enemy to SEIZE it. nObama will only lose if the Republicans defend, counter, and strike first with enough weight that the thieves will be knocked out of the ring. It is October, where is our surprise?

  343. Me, too, Idunn. Phone banking, I mean. I disliked it when I did it for HRC, but like when I got someone who asked for explanations.

  344. # wbboei Says:
    October 13th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    Bullshit, the poll is really even. Qeuestion 901
    ——————————————
    we need an alternative to big media. their treacherous lies do great harm to the country, and in times of crisis when we need an honest voice all we get from them is a corrupt one. A nation cannot survive on lies/

    ****
    That’s what Al Gore tried to do with Current TV, except it got nowhere and I don’t know anyone who watches it. You’re right – we need an alternative, and the only thing I can think of is an internet based television network that’s publicly funded, like PBS on steroids.

  345. anyone can read from a teleprompter…but not everyone can be president

    anyone can cheat…but not everyone can be president

    anyone can lie…but not everyone can be president

  346. Hillary, having written critically of you in the past, I now have this to say.

    Whatever your flaws, you’ve truly earned the scars and credentials of a potential woman president.

    Sarah Palin has not.

    It’s just not fair.

    http://www.projo.com/extra/election/content/Mark12_10-12-08_7MBSA9S_v21.2540b8f.html
    *****************************************************
    This Kool-aid drinker is still making excusing for Obama’s lack of experience but he did say I’m sorry to Hillary Clinton because his worst nightmare Palin has changed his mind.

    Oh the power of women is here to stay. What the Democratic? Taliban Party fail to see it that Palin is a Republican star who will be around for a long time.

    Get use to seeing her around the national scene…because if if wasn’t for Palin this woudn’t be such a close fight. Even this media man recognize this…even if he doesn’t want to.
    *************
    If it wasn’t for Hillary there would be no Sarah – Clinton opened the door and through her tough campaign broke so many stereotypes about women as leaders that people can now envision this when they couldn’t before.

    Meanwhile, the Republicans are backing their candidates regardless of gender. The difference is that Hillary didn’t have her party backing, and because of assh*ts like this Patinkin guy.

  347. wbboei Says: we need an alternative to big media. their treacherous lies do great harm to the country, and in times of crisis when we need an honest voice all we get from them is a corrupt one. A nation cannot survive
    on lies
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    I’m slowly seeing a pattern. Gore, Hillary, Palin. The common factor is competence and some reform/populism. Teh more likely to do waht WE consider a good job fianacially — the more the big media attack them.

    I agree about needing an alternative to Big Media, which wold attract the casual hurried people ho currently rely on tv news.

  348. Obama is reminding me of Adela Stevenson when he ran in 1952 (no I am not that old) Stevenson was said to be a great orator and the youth of the time were all hyped up by him. We all know what happened, the war hero Ike kicked his ass on election day. I remember seeing a Happy Days episode about that election where Richie and the gang were all out campaigning for him and all looked like they were in shock when he lost.

  349. ABM90 Says:
    October 13th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    wbboei:I really believe you and I are the only two people that understand the strategy that Hillary and Bill have been using to keep the party together and still preserve the18 mil plus supporters that they have worked so hard and so long for.
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    I am glad we have such high class intellectuals on this board.

    {the sarcasm is not directed at you, wbboei.}

  350. Carby said: We are just a cover for those radical left that want to use us for their own agenda.
    ================

    I think teh radical left people are just a cover for Obama’s personal ambition/ego trip.

  351. I don’t care what Hillary and Bill’s strategy is now nor do I care to second guess what it is. The most important thing right now is how effectively we can defeat Obama. I am not convinced completely that he will lose or rather, I don’t want to take a chance thinking he will definitely lose. So keeping the 18 million who voted for Hillary and who understood why Obama is a bad candidate in tact is what should be our goal so that we can hand a resounding defeat to Obama. All I know is that the Clintons campaigning for this guy converts a portion of that anti-Obama faction to become his supporters. Hopefully a significant portion of the 18 million Hillary supporters have an independent mind and do not follow through Clintons’ advice.

  352. let me take you back in history, not too far back.

    Dewey was expected to beat Truman in the 1948 election. All the media said so, the polls (Gallup gave the election to Dewey by 49.5% to 44.5%.) said so but..who turned out to be president?

    Regardless of which party won, this election was significant because when push came to shove people voted who they thought best and it wasn’t what BM said it would be.

    Granted this time BM has tried ever possibly way to influence this one today more so than before, even so…it’s not a done deal

    Chin up everyone…there really is hope. The election is a very loooong 3 weeks away.

  353. moononpluto Says:

    October 13th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
    So much for Obama running away with it

    What happened Bambi to that 12 point lead then.
    &&&&&&&&&&&

    It lasted as long as an Obama position on Iraqi Withdrawl timelines.

  354. THE MORE YOU SKEW IT, THE BETTER OBUMMAH LOOKS: 53-43%????

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    moononpluto Says:

    October 13th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
    I’m laughing i just looked at that WApo’abc poll again, before they split it into voter models

    The samples were Dems 36% Repubs 26% Indies 31%. total dog of a poll.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    They are sampling Independents at a higher rate than Repubs? Almost as much as Dems? Dems by 10 point?

    ABC/WashPo, by what logic have you used for this?

  355. If it wasn’t for Hillary there would be no Sarah – Clinton opened the door and through her tough campaign broke so many stereotypes about women as leaders that people can now envision this when they couldn’t before.

    Meanwhile, the Republicans are backing their candidates regardless of gender. The difference is that Hillary didn’t have her party backing, and because of assh*ts like this Patinkin guy.
    *****************************************************
    Countthevotes,

    I know Hillary Clinton and others opened the doors but the Dems swiftedboated her and she is no longer a factor for me in this election other then bring votes to Obama.

    The Clintons still have my loyalty and will continue to have it…but I don’t want Obama as my President, nor do I trust Pelosi, Reid and the rest of those weak Leaders in the Democratic? Taliban Party.

    This election since the Democratic? Taliban Party selected Obama over the due democratic process and had the ‘crooked’ Roll Call Vote in Denver…I’m choosing McCain/Palin and will continue to fight against the mysoginy and sexism and other dirty tricks against Palin.

    The attacks against Palin and her family have been some of the most distrubing and outright hateful I’ve seen in a long time. The attacks are worst then many politicians of people of color ever face.

    This is not a popularity test between Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin…I like both and I don’t see why there should be a problem with liking both.

  356. I’m slowly seeing a pattern. Gore, Hillary, Palin. The common factor is competence and some reform/populism. Teh more likely to do waht WE consider a good job fianacially — the more the big media attack them.

    I agree about needing an alternative to Big Media, which wold attract the casual hurried people ho currently rely on tv news.
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    turndown: turf is one important aspect. The institutional attitude is we are the elites, we are part of the power establishment and to any politican who comes in from the outside without our blessing the message in this in its least subtle form:

    Who the fuck do you think you are. You are from California. Oh isnt that nice. And where did you go to school. Oh that is too bad. How does it feel to be here in the center of the universe. A little daunting, Well that is where people like me come in. We can be helpful– if we have reason to be. The first thing you need to understand is that we are the invisible power struture in this town. We were here long before you arrived and we will be here long after you are gone. If you are wise you will play ball with us. We believe in helping our friends. The one thing we do not want is change. The appearnce of change is fine, but not change that adversely affects our interests or denies us our traditional voice in the decisions that get made. Everyones gotta eat.

    That in a nutshell is the mindset, and it has been part of that town since the days of Andy Jackson. This invisible group is adverse to change and worry when a Harry Truman, Jimmy Carter, or Sara Palen comes to town. In the words of the old 7th Cavalry they aint army. The elites know they are cutting a fat hog and they fear that populist forces can take it away from them in whole or in part.

    Bambi is one of them. Hillary, Bill, McCain and Palin (most definitely) are not. You have these aging doyennes like Sally Quinn who wants to play hostest wiht the mostest when she is really priestess with the leastest and keeps her aging husband Ben Bradely in a state of semi divine remove and tells him periodically please dear try not to slobber.

    At one time it was Pamela Digbee Harriman who was affectionately known of in Washington social circles as the great horizontal. And at one time more in New York in the 1950s it was indisputably Babe Palen. And the people who went to their parties and senior members of he press corp were the elite and still are. Whetehr Quinn has passed the torch to someone I do not pretend to know.

    If you look at a guy like Brian Williams, past the dudley doo right exterior what you have is a plutocrat. Many others in the top media positions are of that ilk. How can they help but reflect the interests of their class and protect their role at the table. No they are not the whole thing, but they are a part of it. The problem for them and the concomitant hope for us is that their influnence is waning.

    Their response has been curious. Rather than opening their doors to let in light and fresh air and truth, they have closed them to outsiders and now engage in a degree of distortion and lies. In the short term that is tragic for society but in the long run it is tragic for them because no now with any sense will listen to them.

    When Mr. or Mrs. Smith go to Washington this is what they encounter. It is hard to deliver for constitruents, much easier to go along with the status qou

    I can make you or break you and you need to understand

  357. No link but theres a big rumour just breaking that the US ATTORNEY OFFICE IN OHIO TO FILE RICO ACTION AGAINST ACORN TOMORROW MORNING.

    NOW THAT WOULD BE FUN

  358. Sen. Stevens and Palin’s Complicated Relationship
    Louise Radnofsky reports on the presidential race.

    Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s gubernatorial schedule shows that she had a one-on-one meeting on Oct. 12, 2007 with Sen. Ted Stevens “re: Political Situation in Alaska and Gas Pipeline,” immediately before she was due to meet with the state’s attorney general “re: VECO,” the Alaskan oil-services company now at the center of the Republican senator’s legal woes.

    A U.S. district court is currently hearing a case in Washington, D.C., against Stevens, who is accused of falsifying Senate financial disclosure forms to conceal illegal gifts he allegedly received from Veco Corp. executives.

    The back-to-back meetings last fall took place at a time when the Veco federal investigation had become increasingly focused on Alaska’s senior senator. Palin, who has had a mixed relationship with Stevens, faced a decision about whether to push ahead with a separate state investigation into the company’s political ties.

    According to Palin’s schedule, which was obtained under Alaska’s freedom of information laws, the 10:30 a.m. meeting with Stevens was set to last 45 minutes in the governor’s Anchorage office. It was the first event on her agenda that day, following a late-night flight back to Alaska from a four-day women-and-leadership conference in New York.

    A spokeswoman for the McCain-Palin presidential campaign, Maria Comella, said Palin’s meeting with Stevens “was just a status update on the pipeline,” an important but controversial natural gas project in the state. A representative for Stevens declined to comment.

    At 11:15 a.m., Palin was due to begin a 30-minute meeting with Talis Colberg, the state attorney general, also in her Anchorage office. Colberg had a letter dated that day from the Department of Justice warning that a potential state investigation risked compromising “certain aspects of the ongoing federal corruption investigation” into the company. A spokeswoman for the attorney general’s office also declined to comment.

    Veco executives Bill Allen and Rick Smith had already pled guilty to bribing state officials to support an oil production tax rate that was favorable to the company’s interests in Alaska. Both had agreed to cooperate with the investigation being run by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Internal Revenue Service, and the Justice Department’s public integrity section.

    In September 2007, a federal jury convicted an Alaskan state senator of conspiracy, bribery and extortion. At that trial, Allen testified that he sent workers to assist in the remodeling of Stevens’s house. The FBI raided the house in July 2007. Stevens has said he paid every bill he received for the renovation.

    On Oct. 16, 2007, four days after meeting with Colberg, Palin released the Justice Department letter with a short statement saying that while the state’s Department of Law would “continue to monitor” alleged illegal activities by public officials,” it would not do anything to “impede or compromise” the federal investigation.

    Palin and Stevens have a mixed relationship. They have campaigned together on some occasions since at least 2002, when they stumped for Frank Murkowski in his successful bid for governor.

    After defeating Murkowski for the GOP nomination for governor in 2006, the Palin campaign aired an ad ahead of the general election showing Stevens at a rally, saying of Palin and lieutenant governor candidate Sean Parnell: “These two people represent a new generation and they represent a new vision, new energy. They represent the kind of people that ought to come along and take our places.”

    In September 2007, Palin urged Stevens to explain his relationship with Allen, according to the Associated Press. Towards the end of that month, when Stevens and Palin were also engaged in a disagreement over earmarks, the senator described the congressional delegation’s relationship with its governor as “frosty” to a local newspaper, the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner.

    When she entered the presidential campaign, Palin described how she had taken on “the good old boy network” in Alaskan politics.

    In July, when Stevens was indicted, Palin said he had “dedicated his life to the betterment of the state,” and that it would be “premature” to call for his resignation, according to the Anchorage Daily News. Stevens endorsed Palin in her vice presidential bid the day she was announced as John McCain’s running mate, describing her selection as “a great day for the nation” and praising her ability “to make tough decisions.”

    Palin declined to back Stevens’s re-election bid when asked about it Sept. 25, three days after his trial began. “We’ll see where that goes,” she said.

    blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/10/13/sen-stevens-and-palins-complicated-relationship/

  359. Great Balls of Fire: Mission accomplished.This is the kind of response I had hoped to get to my criticisms of the loss of trust in Hillary and Bill.Fires in the Belly are showing up and if the shoe fits response may well mean kinder remarks from me. By the way pm317 I never claimed to be an intellectual.I am just an old faithful proud admirer of the Clintons and criticism sometimes does wonders for mind and anger can turn to positive thinking.I can now just sit back and enjoy the responses.Also pm317 what is this board that you mentioned that you are so proud of and that I am not eligible for because of age or lack of polish and education.Would Obama be a better choice or does honesty not matter?

  360. carbynew – agree. the attacks on palin are disgusting beyond belief. the sexist overtones remind me that the most potent part of misogyny is hatred, pure hatred.

  361. ABM90,

    “I am just an old faithful proud admirer of the Clinton…”

    You are much more than that, my friend! You are the Rock of Gibralter on this site and anytime I find myself in the dumps about what is happening, I just go back and read your amazing posts and feel a smile come to my face!

    Thank you. 🙂

  362. ‘Mine, Baby, Mine!’
    Sarah Palin and St. Clairsville crowd agree on coal’s importance

    By JOSELYN KING

    ST. CLAIRSVILLE – Boisterous Belmont County supporters on Sunday told Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin their plan for U.S. energy independence.

    They called for the use of East Ohio and West Virginia coal to fuel the nation, and she assured them their ideas would be included in the plans of a McCain-Palin administration.

    Palin, the current governor of Alaska, addressed a shoulder-to-shoulder crowd at Brush Run Park just outside of St. Clairsville.

    “Mine, baby, mine,” the crowd chanted repeatedly – a variation on the “drill, baby, drill” call by Republicans who support off-shore drilling for oil.

    “I’ve never heard that before,” said an amused Palin of the coal chant. “Do you mind if I plagiarize that? I’m taking it across the U.S.”

    Palin had started by telling those present of how Republican presidential candidate John McCain and she will work to bring energy independence to the nation. She referenced wind, solar and nuclear technologies, but the crowd spoke over her.

    “Coal … coal … coal … ,” they chanted.

    “We’ll get there, I promise,” Palin assured them.

    Then she got to the clean coal part of her speech.

    “Coal will create jobs where they are needed most – in parts of Ohio, West Virginia and Pennsylvania,” she said. “We have more coal in this country than there is oil in Saudi Arabia.

    “The question is why aren’t we using it?”

    She pointed to recent comments by Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden, whom she said believes “there is no such thing as clean coal.”

    “Whether Joe Biden approves or not, John McCain and I are going to develop clean coal technologies here at home,” Palin said. “Our plans for coal would create 30,000 new jobs. And trust me, those resource development jobs are good jobs.”

    She spoke of her husband Todd Palin, who works as an oil field production operator on Alaska’s north slope.

    “Those blue-collar, work-with-your-hands jobs are more what Americans should be tapping into – instead of exporting them to other countries,” Palin said. “My family is the recipient of the benefits of those jobs. I want to provide them to you.”

    She called it “nonsense” that the U.S. president and other officials have traveled to other countries – “some countries who don’t necessarily like us” – asking leaders there to increase oil production.”

    “We need American resources brought to you by American ingenuity and produced by American workers,” Palin said.

    Palin, often accused of being “folksy,” spoke at what was once the site of the country music festival Jamboree In The Hills. There were many hay bales on stage and in the space allotted for the crowd.

    And Palin appeared to like the Belmont County area.

    “It’s absolutely breathtaking,” she said. “The smell of hay … of freshly cut grass. It’s beautiful.

    “St. Clairsville – where America’s in bloom.”

    Palin noted St. Clairsville was about the size of her hometown of Wasilla, Alaska, where she served as mayor.

    As of the 2000 census, the population of Wasilla was 5,469; in St. Clairsville, 5,057.

    “I love Smalltown, USA,” she said. “You guys just get it, and I do appreciate that.”

    She commented that she and McCain “know who the bad guys are.”

    “They are terrorists – those who seek to harm us,” Palin noted.

    She also added that among the bad guys are “those greedy, corrupt and arrogant” individuals responsible for the nation’s current economic crisis.

    “The good guys are you, and we will fight for you,” she said. “We will put government on your side.”

    http://www.news-register.net/page/content.detail/id/515398.html?nav=515&showlayout=0
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    I agree with Palin, why are we begging those countries that hate us when we have so much resources?

    When I was growing up, it was unthinkable for this country to hand over 70% of our energy over to the hands of those who do not like us. Just unthinkable and yet here we are in 2008 seeing our energy dependence in the hands of people like Chavez, Putin and Saudi Arabia whose clerics regularly give out Anti-American Fatwas.

  363. Just did research on Missouri registration by party. Today’s Survey USA poll for MO has Gutter Ball +7….however, (surprise!) they undersampled Repubs by 5% and oversampled Dems by 2%, which adds up to (TADA) BOs 7 point lead in this poll.

    They think we aren’t going to look at these polls critically. This is a shame because during the primaries, Survey USA really garnered by respect. Not anymore.

    ARG (incidentally) has MO numbers accurate: 36% Repub, 36% Dem, 28% Indy. And ARG, I might add, has McCain +3. Yay.

  364. debbie Says:

    October 13th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
    let me take you back in history, not too far back
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    Debbie, I have been thinking about that election for the past few days. Polls are not written in stone.

  365. I don’t care what Hillary and Bill’s strategy is now nor do I care to second guess what it is. The most important thing right now is how effectively we can defeat Obama. I am not convinced completely that he will lose or rather, I don’t want to take a chance thinking he will definitely lose. So keeping the 18 million who voted for Hillary and who understood why Obama is a bad candidate in tact is what should be our goal so that we can hand a resounding defeat to Obama. All I know is that the Clintons campaigning for this guy converts a portion of that anti-Obama faction to become his supporters. Hopefully a significant portion of the 18 million Hillary supporters have an independent mind and do not follow through Clintons’ advice
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    You are right and so is littleolgrape. We have to maintain our focus, and must not day trade. I just dont want our Lady Liberty to lose her voice. ABM 90 is probably right about that. I am still thinking about what he said. I am not completely sure I understand anything at this point. There are too many variables and too many cards to be played. My sense is that by weeks end things may start to turn for mccain and the ecomomy sooner–I hope. I trust juries and voters if they have the proper facts before them. In time-short time I believe they will despite the censorship of big media elitists.

  366. HILLGUY says:
    ARG (incidentally) has MO numbers accurate: 36% Repub, 36% Dem, 28% Indy. And ARG, I might add, has McCain +3. Yay.

    and remember that during the primaries, ARG always got it right. and tha is why mccain is smiling. he knows what is going on wuth this polls.

  367. Ugh. Gutter Ball is calling for a “90 day moratorium on foreclosures”. WHY does he keep stealing Hillary’s ideas?? He didn’t have ONE nice thing to say about her during the primaries, and yet he keeps stealing her proposals.

    Hate him.

    Where’s Vera Baker?

  368. When we were campaigning in the primary survey usa was normally the most accurate. Now they are not worth a damn. I can only assume they are being paid off to undersample to drive a narrative. What other possible explanation is there?

  369. Wall Street is striking while the market soarsThe Hustler did their biding with their money and watch the vulyures at work.Our dollars are starting to resemble the value of Adolph’s Reichmarks.Our homes and real estate values are sinking.Jobs are fading.Businesses are closing or filing.Most of us cannot afford to eat,drive our cars,pay our bills,educate our kids,heat our homes and we are selling our wordly goods to survive.Obama wnts to cut my taxes or give me a tax credit.Big deal.I have not t had a dimes worth of income in five years and Acorn wants to take my vote away.Does that inspire me to be patient and wait for the Hustler’s CHange and Hope? Cold Day in Hell BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.The big economic RAPE has arrived today.The money Vulture are buying low including the paddle that got us up xxxx Creek.

    “TO THINK WE COULD HAVE HAD HILLARY”

    By ABM90

  370. my two cents…I think Hillary and Bill are doing what they can mostly because of Joe Biden…they probably psyche themselves up because of their close relationship to Joe…and Bill and Hill do their best to remind us that Hill did a great job and continues to help more than anyone else in her position…

    not to mention bigshot Obama has surrounded himself by Bill’s entire team, including gene sperling and the whole old gang…Obama just took all of Bill’s people and bill and hill’s policies, thrashed them during the primaries and now runs on their laurels…

    our beautiful Hillary does look very tired (drained?) I don’t know how she does as much as she does…

    I honestly feel if Obama wins, Hillary and Bill will be more and more marginalized in the democratic party and the party will never be the same again…it will go further and further left…

    I fear censorship and no oversight at all with obama, pelosi, reid, dodd, franks and the chicago cabal takeover…

  371. I don’t agree with the draft for women, women are certainly able but i always look at the 2nd world war, when the men went off, the women ran the country far more efficiently than the men ever did
    ===================

    Maybe that’s what some men are afriad of.

  372. rjk1957 Says: the pollsters have started using likely voter models instead of all registered voters
    ==================

    That can show some big apparent swings in results.

    As a thought experiment, suppose they happened to call the SAME voters every time, and half said McCain and the other half said Obama, with each person never changing his choice.

    The pollster also asks ‘How likely are you to vote?” and similar questions. So just by a person feeling more or less enthusiastic from one polling to another, the person can be dropped out of hte group of “likely voters” that actually gets counted.

    Or if the pollster changes the questions on which they base the ‘likelihood’.

    So it doesnt’ necessarily mean any people have changed their minds. It may be just how loud they shout their answers., from one week to the next.

    Now the PUMAS who plan to protest by staying home, may not be counted at all, as not being “likely voters”. But hopefully when it gets to voting day, if they see the race is close, they’ll decide to vote after all.

    Ohoh, the new bots may not be counted now, elimnated by auqestions such as “Did you vote last election?” Or they may not even have cell phones.

  373. ShortTermer Says: McCain is a military man, right? Why not work with Patraeus on a military type strategy to take down nObama
    ==========

    Heh. If McCain has got a big stick, he’s not going to tell US about it. 🙂

  374. I love what Sarah said in her acceptance speech abou t the glass ceiling and Hillary and Ferraro. Hit it from one side and then the other!

    Yes, Hillary’s blows probably got Sarah nominated. Now Sarah’s blows may get Hillary in the WH or ate least further along.

    As admin said way back, we may get TWO women running in 2012: Sarah vs Hillary. Take taht, Pritikin or whatever your name is!

  375. pm317 said: So keeping the 18 million who voted for Hillary and who understood why Obama is a bad candidate in tact is what should be our goal so that we can hand a resounding defeat to Obama. All I know is that the Clintons campaigning for this guy converts a portion of that anti-Obama faction to become his supporters. Hopefully a significant portion of the 18 million Hillary supporters have an independent mind and do not follow through Clintons’ advice
    ================

    Of couse it may be diffeent now, but all through the summer and through BOTH conventions, the Hil’s rejecting Obama has held steady. I’ve got a diary at clintondems.com comparing polls.

  376. WASHINGTON – Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton puts the chances of her running for president again at near zero — slightly higher than the chances she gives for becoming Senate majority leader or a Supreme Court justice.

    In an interview aired Tuesday on “Fox & Friends” on the Fox News Channel, Clinton, D-N.Y., was asked the chances, on a scale of 1 to 10, that she would be the next majority leader in the Senate.

    “Oh, probably zero,” she said. “I’m not seeking any other position than to be the best senator from New York that I can be.”

    Being nominated to the Supreme Court?

    “Zero,” Clinton said. “I have no interest in doing that.”

    Running for president again?

    “Probably close to zero,” she said. “There’s an old saying: Bloom where you’re planted.”

    The former first lady, who was elected to the Senate in 2000 and re-elected in 2006, said she looked forward to working as a senator with a Barack Obama administration.

  377. I think something may be getting ready to come down???? I keep checking out barrysoetoro.com Originally it had a flash screen and went to johnmccain.com Now it stays up as the site name in my browser and you can click through to johnmcacin.com When you click through you end up at john mccain but barrysoetoro com is still listed at the top of the page. The site is an exact copy of the entire John McCain site so in that sense it is now live.

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