John McCain Debates Barack Obama

When Hurricane Gustave hit New Orleans during the Republican National Convention John McCain “rode the wave”. McCain restructured the Republican convention to reflect concern for the people of the Gulf Coast states and of New Orleans. McCain now needs to “ride the wave” again. This time it’s the economic crisis McCain must ride.

In political campaigns you either “ride the wave” or you get drowned by it. As his campaign gets pummeled by the economic crisis John McCain must explain why McCain is better suited to solve the nation’s economic crisis.

It is a tough case to make on policy grounds. It’s a tough case to make because John McCain and Barack Obama both supported the atrocious Wall Street Bailout Bill.

But McCain has a case to make which merges the necessary questions about Obama’s character and the necessary answers to the economic crisis.

McCain must make the case that as a political maverick he has taken on his own party and his own party’s interests whereas Obama has never opposed his own corrupt friends.

McCain should acknowledge that his own party and its deregulation policies have contributed greatly to the economic crisis but McCain needs to point out that leading Democrats and Democratic policies must share the blame in the current economic crisis as well.

The difference, McCain must say, is that McCain will fight for the American people against his own party whereas Obama will continue policies that loot the American economy.

McCain has Antoin “Tony” Rezko as an example about what Obama would do in office.

When Obama’s own constituents were freezing in slumlord Rezko’s tenements Obama was either unaware or uninterested in their plight. Obama was busy catering to the needs of now convicted Rezko.

It will be difficult for McCain to make a strong case against Obama tonight due to the town hall format of the debate. But there is not much time left before NOvember. McCain should use the town hall format to his advantage.

McCain should say he has several houses none of which were purchased with the assistance of Antoin “Tony” Rezko. McCain should say that most Americans do not have a Rezko to help them purchase their houses. McCain should finally force Obama to come clean on Rezko and the financing of his mansion. But most importantly McCain should finally force Obama to explain why he did not know his constituents were freezing in Rezko housing that Obama himself helped obtain for Rezko and make the case that Obama would do to Americans what he did to his Chicago constituents.

McCain tonight must expose Obama on his character and on his choice of long time friends and mentors. McCain must make the case that Obama is not to be trusted to help constituents. McCain must make the case that when it comes to conflict between his corrupt wealthy benefactors and his constituents Obama will side with his corrupt wealthy benefactors.

McCain tonight must make the case that Obama will side with Wall Street friends against bitter Main Street American.

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769 thoughts on “John McCain Debates Barack Obama

  1. Good advice Admin – but there is SUCH a din of “McCain’s last stand” tonight, I cannot help but think there is a rabbit that will be coming out of a hat and McCain will one-two punch Obamaliar right in the gut

  2. This sounds so like what we went throught with HRC.

    She should quit, this is it, she should be ou tonight, she misted up.

    Whay does she keep going, even thought she is winning.

    WHAT A HORRIBLE BRAIN WASHING OF A DEMOCRACY. THIS IS NOT THE LAST STAND, THE ELECTION DAY IS.

  3. Admin – I think so, but he was a little disjointed and harder to follow.

    Barky siad nothing, but it sounded better

  4. :sad;

    i don’t like this format for what JM has to do tonight.

    How the heck can he hit BO in a town hall?

    Also, anyone else check the audience make-up?

    And I hate to say it but BO is hitting JM harder than vice versa.

  5. Who picked out McCain’s chair. It looks like it is too tall for him and too uncomfortable for him to even lean on. Obama’s chair seems to be just right for him…no big deal but it is noticable.

  6. Basil, with all due respect, it takes some time for these debates to play out. Don’t judge everything on the first 5 minutes.

  7. Obama going after McCain opens the door for McCain to blast away. McCain should blast away and stop being so dull.

  8. DRINKS ANYONE?

    the ’44 DRINK ON THE FLOOR’ bar, is now open… who’s pouring?

    ‘DEBATE NIGHT SPECIAL’:

    2 shots cuervo, every time obama’s face turns all pouty…

    1 shot of johnny walker, every time obama does a stutter…

    3 shots of slivovits, if obama brings up the ‘five’…

    and drinks all around, if mccain mentions rezko, ayers, odinga, or fannie mae…

    also:

    special commentary and music, provided by:

    ADMINISTRATER & THE NOBAMA NOCHICAGO back up singers…

  9. McCain can’t ask for a better set up by Theresa Finch’s question. He need to hit this one out of the park.

  10. where’s the JM we saw on the campaign trail the past 2 days?

    I HATE the sound of BO’s voice. He clips off the end of every word. He sounds better than JM. I hate to say. JM seems . . . i dunno . . . .
    he’s not fiery enough

  11. As ALWAYs, Obama restates the problems…where is the solutions…nothing ever specific…generalities…same old same old we’ve heard from BO for months. BO is going to cut more than he spends…while giving big bucks to education, etc.

  12. (Real) Democrats are taking to the road for McCain!!!

    Real Democrats is organizing a bus tour through Ohio next weekend and they need your help!

    WHAT are we doing?
    Taking as many people as will join us to small HRC-lovin’ towns across Ohio to talk to people and hand-out Nobama flyers
    WHEN:
    Thursday, October 16th.
    Participants will congregate in Columbus, OH—-
    October 17th:
    Bus will leave promptly at 8:30 am Friday, morning
    October 17-19
    We will stop all along the way at fall festivals, shopping centers and any place Ohioans congregate– and talk to people and pass out flyers.
    We will travel throughout Ohio, Friday, Saturday and Sunday (we will return to Columbus by 5 pm)
    We will stay overnight at motels in target destinations and share rooms to control costs.

    We need money for gas for the motor coach, signs for the bus and flyers. If you want to contribute in any amount: http://www.RealDemocratsUSA.org

    If you want to join the bus–contact Paulie at pabeles@RealDemocratsUSA.org
    Come for the weekend or come for the day–JUST COME!!!

    If we can raise enough money we hope to continue every weekend until the election!!!

  13. moononpluto Says:

    October 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
    I’m bored senseless by both of them.

    ****************************************

    where’s sarah? : )

  14. Seriously I’m seriously becoming less interested, McCain just comes across like he doesnt want to win.

  15. yes, HFT…and “it’s about you” from Hill and Bill…

    tom warning them about time because if you leave it to O that’s the only one who will get a chance to speak…sure, “it’s about you” as long as I am the only one talking

  16. Moononpluto, in McCain’s defense (although we agree with you that this is getting tiresome), we anticipated that the town hall format would impede McCain from going after Obama as strongly as we think is necessary. But there is more engagement going on than when the debate started. It should get better as it goes on.

  17. Obama now invoking 9/11. McCain should remind him of what was going on in his church on the Sunday after 9/11.

  18. Oh dear, Obama’s off rambling, he starting to get bored with himself, what was that shit about 911.

  19. he never answers the question…and he so condescending…

    tom asks for specifics on credit not on federal level…he answers washington and gives no answer or specifics

  20. I think that the questions have been boring even though they are on a serious topic. This format is geared to let the candidates talk which in Obama’s case also means it lets them drone on.

  21. McCain is finally improving. Maybe the audience was so bored that now McCain sees he has their permission to wake them up by going after Obama.

  22. I hate this dial thing, its so biased, Obama just needs to open his mouth and the dial flies to the top and the opposite with McCain, independent my ass.

  23. I’m not watching, too nervous, but it doesn’t sound like either is doing very well. Is JM really doing badly?

  24. Hated BO’s stupid comments about sharing the burden.
    WTF burden has it ever carried?

    And teachers “she” only makes 35 grand.

    HOORAY!

    Brokaw didn’t let BO whine his way into a response.

  25. Tom Brokaw picks up on the dead Tim Russert’s fetish for entitlement reform and tries to force both McCain and Obama to accept the nonsense premise.

  26. So now, instead of answering the question, he is going to defend himself on the last question.

    He MUST have the last word, always. He’s like that every debate.

  27. we can’t deal with entitlements unless we understand revenues…

    BO doesn’t wanna talk about entitlements.

    BO Bullsh!tting about tax cuts for all Americans.

    I gotta say rush has it right that BO can say nothing better than almost anyone else in the world.

  28. moononpluto…cnn is so rigged…guarantee they all declare obama won and all the ‘instant polls’ magically appear right away that declare o the winner

  29. moononpluto Says:

    October 7th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
    I hate this dial thing, its so biased, Obama just needs to open his mouth and the dial flies to the top and the opposite with McCain, independent my ass.
    ******************************* r u old enough to remember Queen for a day? They had those meters. i hated them as a kid. The whole show was demeaning..

  30. Have you EVER seen such a polite audience?

    They look like they’re in church. Everyone with hands folded, feet flat on the floor.
    this is a weird format. is this how all town halls are??????

  31. The final debate will be the one with the fireworks for sure. It’s too bad this format is so talky rather than letting the candidates go back and forth with each other.

  32. Lin67, it is getting better. McCain is finally hitting Obama. The problem might have been that both candidates did not want to be the first to hit and thereby get the blame for “going negative”.

    McCain still has not gone for the jugular but it looks like he is just getting warmed up.

  33. OMG!!!

    The computer was invented by – y – (realizing he doesn’t know wtf he’s talking about) a bunch of scientists.
    ROTF!

  34. give me a break with that dial…are they kidding? the guy says nothing and it is off the charts…sure

    he stutters and it spikes…

    watch all the people with soledad will have switched to o

  35. Town hall forums, as they are now conducted, are a fake. Big Media gets to select the questions and then says the questions come from ordinary Americans. It’s a way to dictate the agenda and pretend the agenda was written by Americans.

    A real town hall forum would have the candidates select questioners themselves.

  36. Well they were claiming the guy beforehand in the dail thing was a black republican and he basically loved Obama.

  37. BO comes off as too intense and mad for this small forum. JM wandering back and forth behind him – heheheh pacing –hehehehe

  38. These debates are going to do nothing.

    This will come down to who gets the most independents to come over to their side.

  39. In fact with this CN dial test, Obama could have been a cardboard cutout with Brokaw ventriloquisting and the dial would still be at the top.

  40. it is cnn the fraud sends texts to have his followeres watch the debates there. JM’s don’t go there. But people like to see their leaders a littke fiesty. JM has to pick it up or they will nail him

  41. That CNN thing is rigged. Watch after the debate to get the indep from the fox channel. I think they are closer to real independents. Those 2 channels were way too different on Sarah Palin night.

  42. McCain using Hillary’s talking points. Under Obama’s healthcare plan you will be fined if you do not sign up.
    —-
    Are you serious???? Lets raise the red flag now and start singing hail to the great Obama. I hope a lot of people caught that.

  43. I’m sad every time I hear BO say that his mother spent the last period of time of her life in a hospital fighting with insurance companies.

    Would I let my mother have to do that…you bet I would not….I’d take on the insurance companies for her. So where was BO and why in the world was he not showing his mother how much he loved her by taking that burden off of her in her last days.

    Where was BO?

  44. So once again, Obama is going over time (he obviously looked at the light), but says “Fuck you, fuck the rules, I’m going to talk as long as I want.

    Is anyone keeping time here? McCain is following the rules, and Obama is not.

  45. wtf is he talking about . . . . his mother dyng of cnacer arguing with insurance

    no requirements

    GAFFE!!!!!

    In banking everyone goes to Delaware coz there are fewer regulations.

    DUHHHHH – isn’t Biden from Deleware

  46. the chart on cnn can’t even hold the approval of the voters for obama…

    what a laugh…omg…

    mccain talks about things that are for their best interest and it does not move …obama rambles and it is off the charts…and notice the women…the are in love

  47. # moononpluto Says:
    October 7th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
    These debates are going to do nothing.
    This will come down to who gets the most independents to come over to their side.
    **************
    That is the bottom line…they are fighting over the “10%” in about six states…that is the election. IMO, which ever party wins in ’08; will not win the WH for another 24 years.

  48. this argument is a fallacy that NO ONE ever calls BO on!

    “we can’t afford the war, so, let’s stop the war that is costing SO MUCH MONEY and spend it somewhere else”

  49. moononpluto Says:

    October 7th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
    In fact with this CN dial test, Obama could have been a cardboard cutout with Brokaw ventriloquisting and the dial would still be at the top.

    **********************************************

    one of the funniest lines of the night…

  50. BO comparing the HOLOCAUST to DARFUR????????

    WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!
    And he wants us in RWANDA????

    And he complains about 700 billion in Iraq but he wants 850 billion for Africa????

    He’s so f**king FOS! I HATE that piece of nasty ^%$##$!

  51. This is such a dreadful debate, i think a massive amount people probably switched off after 30 minutes.

  52. Katie Ham is about to be lied to by Obama. Obama made a foreign policy blunder by proposing attacks on Pakistan and now he wants to rewrite history.

    McCain should get him on this for lying.

  53. DH did. We’re going to bed

    Norma Desmond Says:

    October 7th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
    this argument is a fallacy that NO ONE ever calls BO on!

    “we can’t afford the war, so, let’s stop the war that is costing SO MUCH MONEY and spend it somewhere else”
    ——–
    We are in the military and recieve a monthly magazine that had an interview of both candidates in it. When asked about would you increase benefits for this or that and how would you pay for it, ever answer from BO was yes I would increase the funding for that and pay for it by responsibly ending the war in Iraq. He is going to pay for an awful lot with that money from Iraq. No wonder only 22% of military support BO. and the majority of those are very young.

  54. Americans, who have spent a lot of time with Pakistanis HERE do NOT say POKISTON

    I lived in london for YEARS, and no brits said it that way

    that comes from BEING THERE

  55. Obama again added “unwilling or unable” to his Pakistan attack plan. Obama’s big speech on Pakistan merely said he would attack Pakistan if Pakistan merely would not attack Taliban in its country.

  56. OMG!
    Now we’re on Pah-kee-sthan and the Tolly-ban

    And if we stop the drug trafficking in afghanistan –

    yeah – BO probably knows a lot about that

    Senator BO likes to talk loudly but my hero is roosevelt – talk softly and carry big stick

    announcing an attack on another country like what BO did in PAH-kee-stahn now he pronounces it right – pakistan

  57. Lin, thanks for that info

    I have always thought BO was not as popular in the military as the media makes him out to be

  58. BTW, here is the McCain Hillary-type homeowner bailout:

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/McCain_proposes_homeowner_bailout.html

    The McCain camp sends over details on the proposal McCain rolled out at the top of the debate, aimed at keeping Americans in their homes.

    “The McCain Resurgence Plan would purchase mortgages directly from homeowners and mortgage servicers, and replace them with manageable, fixed-rate mortgages that will keep families in their homes,” according to the campaign. “By purchasing the existing, failing mortgages, the McCain Resurgence Plan will eliminate uncertainty over defaults, support the value of mortgage-backed derivatives and alleviate risks that are freezing financial markets.”

    They price the proposal at $300 billion and say it would be offered for primary residences and only to those homeowners who made a down payment on their original purchase. The new mortgage would be FHA-guaranteed and at a fixed rate.

    The plan reflects the continued demand that both candidates do more to address the economic crisis and, in McCain’s case, offers a substanative plan to deal with an issue that has done grave damage to his campaign.

    It also provides a measure of distance from the plans being pushed by the GOP president.

    “It is my proposal. It’s not Sen. Obama’s proposal. It’s not President Bush’s proposal,” McCain said.

  59. Hi, everyone. This really is a crashing bore.
    THe rules just don’t apply to STinky, do they?

  60. Obama Bin Lyin’ again and again. Obama did say he would attack Pakistan and Dodd called him out on it and then Obama called Dodd a liar. Now Obama is calling McCain a liar for telling the truth. McCain simply cannot let him get away with this lie.

  61. His pronunciation of Pakistan makes him sound like a snob. It amazes me that no one in his campaign has told him to pronounce it they way the rest of us do.

  62. McCain is demanding equal time after Obama violated the rules. Obama is clearly nervous about what he himself said about Pakistan.

  63. follow-ups – Bo wants follow-up and JM says well then he wants a follow-up to the follow-up and brokaw protesting and Bo saying oj you’re just hired help –

    BO trying to clarify pah-kee-stahn –

    i hate that POS –

    now he’s mocking JM saying he said Bomb bomb iran

  64. I wonder how the Bots feel about troops going into Afghanistan

    and Barky has NOT answered the question again

  65. BTW, we are not the only ones unhappy with this fake format.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Not_really_a_town_hall.html?showall

    I wrote earlier that this would likely be an empathy contest, but between the odd rules, the candidates, and the visibly displeased moderator, that’s not really happening. The questions are basically impersonal, and the questioners then disappear.

    Brokaw has begun to ask clearer questions in the hopes of generating some sort of forward movement, and this is basically just another debate. Only with awkward camera angles.

  66. Oh no he’s not, BO is practially loathed, there is a bigger rift in the recent poll between him and McCain than there was between Kerry and Bush. There are a few military blogs around, and if you were to read them especially when BO was over there they were pretty eye opening. Lets just say he didn’t make many friends over there on that trip. The other thing you have to understand that is once military, always military. They will still look on McCain as one of them, that he is in his 70s doesn’t matter. He understands sacrifice. The few I have run into that support Obama are all under 30, a couple are just plain air heads. They have no idea what an Obama presidency will mean for them.

  67. You don’t make a hard and fast pronouncement that you will INVADE another sovereign (and powderkeg) nation to get one guy, no matter how badly you want him.
    Sorry, but that is a BIG mistake and HUGELY naive thing to say. JM is absolutely right on this.

  68. winning or losing doesn’t really matter, as long as one doesn’t make a major gaffe, sounds like that might be questionable with Barky. They will say Barky won, but independents won’t be swayed one way or another from this, there were probably no votes won or lost, so its a doesn’t matter debate. Most people probably turned it off.

  69. McCain’s best moment just now as he appeared comfortable and spoke about Russia, Georgia and energy pipelines. Obama just “me too” on the answer.

  70. Nope, never S. I simply hate the sound of his voice. Like fingernails on a chalkboard…. Yes, talk down the country and the economy, you traitor.

  71. Bullshit. Your mom was single for SIX FUCKING MONTHS, and your grandmother was a Goddamned BANK PRESIDENT. You attended the most exclusive private school in Hawaii. Scrimping and saving and on Foodstamps my ass.

  72. Obama did not answer the question but instead did his closing speech.

    McCain answered the question and delivered his strongest moment at the same time.

  73. Illinois Underground Says:

    October 7th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
    Nope, never S. I simply hate the sound of his voice. Like fingernails on a chalkboard…. Yes, talk down the country and the economy, you traitor.

    *********************************************

    i feel the same way…I cannot stand his voice, the way he speaks, his whole demeaner…it is awful to say, but I have to hit mute when he comes on

  74. Imagine – David Brooks things Obama won

    he has style and he provokes the air of President – he is easy to be around

  75. tom brokaw off just said “well you saw what I was working with, I was looking for a trap door that I could spring on them”
    funny it was off camera

  76. Norma Desmond Says:

    October 7th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
    Imagine – David Brooks things Obama won

    he has style and he provokes the air of President – he is easy to be around
    (((((((((((((((

    surprise

  77. When FOX is not supportive in a big way to McCain…whoa…BO is well on his way.

    If BO had been Hillary at the debate tonight, FOX would have torn into her for saying the exact same thing as BO but in a much, much more intelligent manner.

  78. Surprisingly, CNN gophers are not impressed with either really.

    I thought it was flat, it needed a gotcha moment and it didnt quite get there. I saw again McCain had numerous times to nail Obama and missed it.

  79. JM missed several opportunities…..

    O said he’d help the econ by withdrawing from Iraq
    and then said it would take time and then he’d go into Afghanistan…..JM should have said so where are the savings?????

    O answered almost no questions…sacrifices? health care?? how long before we have the money to do what he says?

    dreadfully dull but O will probably not be brought to task for his babbling.

  80. oh that was the fox indpenent group that thought he had better responses to the healthcare questions. Better lies we should say.

  81. Moon, BO brought up credit cards and Delaware. What an opening to start talking about campaign corruption and Biden! McCain was out of time, though.

  82. David Brooks things Obama won

    he has style and he provokes the air of President – he is easy to be around
    —————————————————————
    BROOKS AINT CREDIBLE. BEEN IN BAG FOR BAMBI FOR A YEAR. LIKE CAPTAIN NEMOUY HE SEES LAND WHERE THERE IS NO LAND. SOONER TRUST DRUDGE POLL. SOONER BE RULED BY FIRST 200 NAMES IN BROOKLYN PHONE DIRECTOR THAN THE ENTIRE FACULTY OF HARVARD LAW SCHOOL. HOW ABOUT THE COUNTRY REBEL AGAINST THESE FOGGY BOTTOM ELITISTS.

  83. So David Brooks thinks BO has the air and style of a president and is easy to be around. Is that like, “He’s just the kind of guy you’d like to have a beer with.” He’s just so likeable, you know. Where have we heard that before and look what we got.

  84. obama still posing for pictures…mistake for mccain and cindy not to hang around and smooze a bit and get some face time with the people

  85. Again i still have no idea what Obama is actually going to do.
    ====
    Well lets see. He’s going to attack Pakistan, pay for a ton of new programs and wars with money he is going to save in Iraq, and he is going to force you into his healthcare plan, and although he says you can stay with your current plan, reading about his plan on NRO says no you can’t.

  86. If I had a time machine, i think I’d probably go back and somehow prevent Bambi’s mother from ever screwing his father to save us all a lot of grief.

  87. Exactly Lin, no one has questioned, How the hell is Obama going to pay for all this, we all know the answer, high bloody taxes.

  88. Moon

    That is good news if undecideds think McCain was better on the economy. Afterall they are the ones that will ultimately decide this election.

  89. moononpluto Says:

    October 7th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
    If I had a time machine, i think I’d probably go back and somehow prevent Bambi’s mother from ever screwing his father to save us all a lot of grief.


    LMAO! That’s the best plan to defeat BO that I’ve heard all year

  90. Seriously only die hards made through to the end of that, i think most people honestly switched of half way.

  91. McCaskill on FOX was rubbing her hands together like a wicked witch in a Fairy Tale….although she “said” she was cold.

  92. You know what i find interesting, its amazing how all the newstation bias polls always have bambi and biden winning debates but when you go to ubiased polls like drudge and all, its McCain and Palin that win by a mile, it would indicate that would be the more accurate ones to me.

  93. see rjk, i guarantee you that was the least watched debate of them all. If it bored us to tears, joe public would not be assed watching it.

  94. I thought the game was the VPs had the fights, and the Presidential candidates just played with gloves on. One thing you don’t want to have happen is Mc losing his temper, at least in that audience.

    They were also looking for Mc to go negative. So what will they write about tomorrow. Nothing.

  95. Imo, it was boring

    nothing came out that wasn’t already known. It did not help McCain nor hurt NObama.

    The questions sucked..nothing new that helped identify for undecideds which candidate would be better.

  96. That big problem with the debate was not the town hall format, it was the audience. When McCain and Palin hold town halls the audience is allowed to react.

  97. Yeah i would have liked the audience to go, “but what do you mean by that” or “that does not answer my question” Brokaw did none of that.

  98. pm317 Says:

    October 7th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
    S, I am really disappointed McCains left so quickly. what a mistake! Why?

    *********************************************

    bottom line…I don’t think mccain likes a lot of personal attention on himself…he is in this to serve not to be the center of attention…and cindy followed him with her hands behind her back…come on now PR 101…extend your hand to the people…

    whereas…obama and grace jones with the jackie kennedy wig…NEED all the attention they can get…obama craves being the center of attention…she kept looking at the camera…they knew what they were doing and stayed till the last camera standing…

  99. McCain 34,000 ahead on Drudge poll, lol. 70/26 sounds like WV primary all over again.
    ——————————————–
    my happiest moment on campign trail for hillary

  100. S, Cindy had her right hand in a cast for a while (though she didn’t tonight). I don’t know if that was the reason she would not shake many hands. But I noticed something else from the rude and arrogant couple — Cindy shook hands with Obama and kind of waited to see if MO will turn around to shake her hands. But she didn’t — Obamas make me sick. They knew what they were doing. It probably became “four is a crowd” for the McCains.

    I always admired how the candidates from opposing parties are civil in this country in these public appearances but now of course such civility and decorum do not apply to Obamas.

  101. I think the most telling thing that stands out about BHO is that he talks about things that are best done behind closed doors when it comes to national security.

  102. pm317

    you asked earlier today abt the DMR endorsement of Hillary…

    Google:

    “des moines register editorial board endorses Hillary Clinton”

    over 51,000 hits…but the first 2 pages are the best.

    The endorsement was published August 16, but we got the news here Saturday night. It might be fun to go back to August 15, 2007 about 9 pm in admin’s archives and read us bouncing off the walls.

  103. pm317…good point about cindy’s injured hand…i forgot about that…it did seem out of character to me that she would keep her hand behind her back…because she comes across as friendly

  104. Emjay Says:
    October 7th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
    ——————–
    Riverdaughter was talking about DMR endorsement being scrubbed off of their site and not being able to find all of it anywhere, something about missing paragraphs. I don’t know what the problem is if you can find it on the Web. Do you think it is all of it? Are some parts scrubbed, missing?

  105. Sounds like the “debate” was a bust for both candidates, and BO is using his xerox machine to copy Hillary’s proposals. Sigh.

  106. The debate was
    – a failure on Brokaw’s part to control the participants
    – Brokaw allowed stump speech speak by “THAT ONE” and ohhh did he ramble and ramble on, saying the same things we have heard a 1,000 times
    – Brokaw did not call the challenge by ‘THAT ONE” to control the debate and refuse the time limits
    -if there was a memorable moment it had to be the “jello on the wall’ statement by John McCain
    – sloow sloooow sloooow with generic campaign stump questions for the most part

    McCain’s ending was very heartfelt and touching. How could anyone believe that ‘THAT ONE’ could possibly be better for our country than John McCain the patriot, the reformer, the country first guy, and the team of mavericks?

    Even the pundits were taken aback by McCain’s mortgage buy down for homeowners………guess they did not recognize the other smart woman’s plan – Hillary Rodham Clinton, huh?

  107. Gibbs is an idiot
    Hannity tore him to pieces
    I read elsewhere that michelle obama slighted Cindi McCain when she extended her hand. If that was the case I think Sen McCain exhibited incredible tact by graciously exiting. Anyone see the exchange?

  108. I’m not sure it was a good idea to use Delaware as an example of evil deregulation where corporations can operate with less oversight …. WHEN YOUR RUNNING MATE REPRESENTS THE STATE OF DELAWARE!

  109. Ohh, I do so hope that Hillary and Bill are helping John McCain in the background, as he used her HOLC plan tonight evidently to the surprise of the pundits. And I hope that when McCain and Palin win that Hillary and Bill will have strategic roles.

  110. Hannity deserves a medal of honor or something for working so hard to inform the public about ‘THAT ONE.” He has done the citizens a great service.

  111. Okay, what the hell WAS that? What did I watch? Where did 90 minutes of my life go?

    Apart from McCain talking about what I THINK was HRC’s HOLC, and calling Obama “this one”….uh…. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz………

  112. Also, can’t remember not one thing Oliar said. All I heard was….”here’s the problem, bleebo blabbo snickerdoodle”.

  113. I liked the “maybe” answer by mccain when asked for a yes/no on russia…
    See it is about tact, diplomacy and maturity…

    And BO wants to give foreign aid/trade to estonia etc…
    While I understand this, BO will need MONEY he does not have right away..I guess somebody behind his back must be pushing for that job s ambassador there….

  114. Wanna know how i know the ratings for this debate will be in the toilet.

    Only 118,000 votes on drudge, it was way more in the previous 2, people were bored.

  115. Have you seen what the hell is going on in the Uk.

    The Govt has part nationalised every bank as part of the so called rescue plan, the market is going to plummet tomorrow like never before.

  116. 18 million people told this lady we wanted someone qualified, has integrity, and is trustworthy in the white house

    she’s breaking my heart……

    Hillary Clinton issued the following statement responding to tonight’s presidential debate:

    “Tonight’s debate proved once again that an Obama-Biden Administration will provide the fresh start America so desperately needs.

    “The biggest risk for American families is four more years of the last eight years and mavericks in charge of the United States economy. Mavericks in Washington and on Wall Street got us into this mess.

    “As we saw, Senator Obama displayed beyond a doubt that he understands both the gravity of the financial crisis facing America, and the challenges we face in Iraq and around the world. Senator McCain offered only more of the same failed policies of the Bush Administration. It’s time for a change.”

    BOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  117. Well if McCain won on the economy tonight, and the economy is what is uppermost in most American minds right now, then maybe that will translate to more support or at least some more independents moving to his side.

    As far as him staying afterwards for as long as Obama did…well…I don’t know about anyone else, but a little of that goes a long way for me. I never hang around too long post-debate…am usually channel-surfing already.

  118. Hillary is speaking by rote. What else could she say? That Obama tanked, doesn’t have an original idea in his brain? etc…etc…? LOL…sure career suicide if she wants to stay with the dems. Honestly, I don’t think she is going to sway to many who haven’t already been swayed to one side or the other.jmo

  119. when BHO doesn’t know what to say he always says I agree (first with Hillary) and now McCain….then he goes on to talk about something totally unrelated

    weird

  120. This is ridiculous, you just do not start nationalising things unless the shit is about to hit the fan big time. I can’t believe the UK has done this, it goes against anything a free market is about.

    this is far worse than they are letting on.

  121. Moon:

    I think it is bad…also Germany did something over the weekend that is forcing other EU countries to do something drastic.

    ——

  122. McCaskill was stepping out of her chair at the end of an MSNBC interview, and Romney was up next. She and a staffer unplugged her various wires, and she handed Romney the earpiece the guests use to hear the host.

    “I spit on this before I put it in,” she said to Romney, with a sweet smile.

    UPDATE: Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom emails: “You should have seen what she did to the chair.”

    Classy Broad, now we know why she’s with Obama.

  123. I had to stop watching after Bambi said we would have done something about the Holocaust if we could have. I guess he doesn’t know about WWII.

    Anyway, I just wanted to say that David Brooks has never had a beer in his life. He’s definitely a rose kind of guy.

  124. JanH Says:

    October 8th, 2008 at 12:13 am
    Hillary is speaking by rote. What else could she say? That Obama tanked, doesn’t have an original idea in his brain? etc…etc…? LOL…sure career suicide if she wants to stay with the dems. Honestly, I don’t think she is going to sway to many who haven’t already been swayed to one side or the other.jmo

    ***********************************************

    what Hillary probably should or wants to say is that sure Obama stole every thought and policy from me and bill and has bill’s economic team working with him…he’s now running on Bill’s admin and economic success and praising it at every rally he speaks at…”turn the page, my ass, he ripped every page he could of out of our experience and success”

    that creep doesn’t have an original thought and is a rambling fool without his teleprompter

  125. moononpluto Says: I’m not sure it was a good idea to use Delaware as an example of evil deregulation where corporations can operate with less oversight …. WHEN YOUR RUNNING MATE REPRESENTS THE STATE OF DELAWARE!

    =========

    Didn’t Obama also specify credit card companies all incorporating in Delaware? And Biden is in the pocket of the credit card companies….

  126. on on line 6 of your W4 form you can elect to give more money to the federal government

    Please be patriotic and do so now

    thank you
    The Obama Team

  127. debbie Says:
    October 8th, 2008 at 12:08 am

    18 million people told this lady we wanted someone qualified, has integrity, and is trustworthy in the white house

    she’s breaking my heart……
    ——————-

    Why does she have to release any statement. I am irritated by all this compliant behavior.

  128. That idiot doesn’t have a clue what North America should, could or could not have done during the holocaust. He needs to crack open a history book…maybe the first one he has ever read…and find out just what happened. The guy is so damn stupid it isn’t funny!

  129. over at one of the other sites, a poster reminds us of this quote:

    “I had learned not to care. I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though. …” — Barack Obama

    *************
    while mccain serves his country, while Hillary serves her nation…there’s Mr. Obama, in addition to his radical friends…

    nice, huh?

  130. When O was “clearing up” his answer on Pakistan, I was yelling: Pakistan has nuclear weapons and is an ally. not likt the countries you compared it with. Of COURSE you might have to strike inside Pakistan but YOU DON’T ANNOUNCE IT unless you think it a good thing to make every other ally in the world reach for their holsters. Dopey

  131. I just got this in an email. Rush knows, huh?
    ——————————————–
    You are aware, probably, that Barack Obama lost his bearings recently
    and said that he was going to campaign in all 57 states.

    You heard this? And most everybody chalked it up to, ‘Well, he’s
    tired.’

    You know, this is a Dan Quayle moment. I mean, Dan Quayle goes out
    there and misspells ‘potato,’ and we still hear jokes about it.

    Barack Obama says he’s gonna go out and campaign in 57 states! He wasjust tired, you know, it’s been such a long campaign, he’s been so many places, he probably thinks there are 57 states.

    Well, I have here a printout from a web site called the International
    Humanist and Ethical Union.

    And here is how the second paragraph of an article on that website
    begins.

    ‘Every year from 1999 to 2005 the organization of the Islamic conference representing the 57 Islamic states (italics mine) presented a resolution to the United Nations Commission on human rights called commbating………’

    Obama said he’s going to campaign in 57 states, and it turns out that
    there are 57 Islamic states.
    ———————————–
    Telling, huh even if it is off subject.

    There are 57 Islamic states!

    So did Obama just lose his bearings, or was this a more telling slip,
    ladies and gentlemen? USE YOUR HEAD!!!!!!!!

  132. freckles Says:

    October 8th, 2008 at 12:36 am
    ****************************************

    freckles, that is an excellent point…too bad mccain wasn’t fast enough to come up with your comment about nuclear weapons…that would have been a real slap to O

  133. Two things stick out from the debate:

    “that one” if people want to know what that was about, they will find out it was about Obama’s vote for the pork-laden Bush-Cheney energy bill and that McCain voted against it. Smart move, McCain.

    “this is my proposal, not Obama’s, not Bush’s” I think this was the bombshell and in the remaining days McCain camp can convincingly sell his version of HOLC, he would have scaled his economy hurdle. I think Obama got flat footed with this one and I think that was McCain camp’s intention. If they had talked about it leading up to this debate, Obama would have come up with a me too and McCain spared himself that. Now we have to see how they develop it.

  134. signing off, Hillfriends…let’s hope Palin continues to get out there and continues to drive the news and kick butt…

  135. Home again at the computer. Hope you all had fun. I forced myself to sit through this candidates’ soiree, and I’m hoping for a karmic candy bar for being such a good girl, but there was no life at this so-called town hall party tonight.

    What is wrong with Obama? He seems to experience blank spaces in his head and babbles on in some kind of a trance, mouthing phrases that do not hang together to make any sense. Bush junior does the same thing only not for so long. Is it early Alzheimer’s or what?

    I noted the audience was half asleep with their eyelids forced open. Brokaw’s voice has a harsh grating edge. McCain was bored, too – no challenge. He tried to engage Bo, but found nobody home in that suit. He and Cindy left the party as soon as they decently could and I was right behind them.

  136. I liked the “maybe” answer by mccain when asked for a yes/no on russia…
    See it is about tact, diplomacy and maturity…

    Yeah, I thought that was good too. 🙂

  137. lil ole grape, so you were at the debate? What happened with the McCains? Why did they leave so quickly like that?

  138. I saw something different. I looked at behavior as well as words. If Obama was to have the last word, McCain followed the rules. If McCain made a statement when he was to have the last word – Obama would say – to hell with the rules, I’ve got to respond. Tom Brokaw would have broken the rules for Obama had McCain not stood up for himself and protested.

    I saw this as part of an ongoing pattern. Obama is childish. The rules don’t matter – winning does.

    For McCain – always the gentleman, always TOO honest, always respectful. What I did see was McCain stood up for himself like a leader who could get along with world leaders and stand his ground at the same time.

    Obama had another childish “I have a bracelet too,” moment or two when his winning became more
    important than following the rules.

  139. I also thought he said Baghdad was in Iran as well as we didn’t do anything about the holocaust.

  140. After tonights lackluster performance the prospects for a McCain presidency have grown dim for me. I do not care what the pundits say in the spinroom he failed to accomplish the mission. He promised to take the gloves off and did not do it. Brokaw was in the tank for Obama just as I predicted he would be. Let Bambi ramble.

    The McCain people called me tonight and want me to help them with their strategy. The way I feel now the answer will be no. I do not think they know what they are doing.

    At this point my attention turns back to Hillary which it never really left. If I were advising her now I tell her to continue to supporting the nominee, thus proving she did not let the party down. But once the election is over I would tell her to declare herself an independent, sit with the democrats but make preparations to run for president in 2012. Give her senate seat to RFK.

    If she stays in the party she will have little say in governance, she will lose her voice to the public, when he fails as president voters will blame the party, the party elders who denied her the nomination this time will be no more hospitable the next time, the caucus system will be rigged. The media will subject her to the same withering attack during a protracted primary and her candidancy will fail.

    On the other hand, if she declares herself to be independent she can liberate herself from those concerns. She can maintain an independent voice and separate herself from his policies which will be disasterous for the country. One of the major brokerage houses is telling its top tier clients to expect a depression if Obama becomes president. As an indepndent, Hillary can play off republicans and democrats and advocate roosevelt values. She can build a strong ground organization and rehabilitate herself in the eyes of the supporter base who feel let down and discouraged.

    I have no reason to believe she would take this advice. It is counterintuitive in some ways and she would appear to be giving. But if she want to be president in 2012 it is what she must do. She cannot get there through the democratic party in my opinion. This would be less necessary if McCaiin wins but I doubt that will happen based on what occurred tonight.

  141. I hope that McCain and the republicans have something up their sleeves to shut Bambi down! Oh Oh McKaskill she is revoting, how can you say such a thing?? How old is she?? The economy is on the brink of disaster and she is spitting on the earpiece before Romney has to use it, how immature and tasteless! Hopefully that will be on utube soon.

  142. I wonder if the McCain’s are just disgusted and sickened to have to run against this thug and his supporters. What an insult, not to shake hands with John and Cindy. This will be our first lady??? Where the hell is Ted Kennedy?? This is his damn fault!

  143. While I found the entire “debate” very boring. I actually thought McCain made a very wise move by not bringing up Ayers et al. Flipping through the channels I noticed his not saying it was getting a lot of attention. And not pro bambi stuff.
    Several of the talking heads were saying that he should have released his housing plan over the weekend. Had he bambi would have just copied it and convinced his minions that he had the idea first.

  144. when bambi gave us that bullshit about federal oversight mccain should have talked about the kind of oversight bambi provided for low income housing residents in his own district under legislation he sponsored which ripped off the residents and taxpayers but benefitted rezko and others. But McCain did not even swing at it.

  145. I honestly think McCain is remaining a gentleman. He is between a rock and a hard place. If he says anything he is racist just as Hillary is. I mean now Hannity is an anti-semite for interviewing an anti-semite. I think Rezko is talking and dirt is still to come out on Obama.

    Obama’s goal is to keep us discouraged. Divide and Conquer. I mean Obama supporters have been in these independent focus groups in the past. When McCain or Palin win debates the focus group people say Obama or Biden win. I thought Biden looked like a demon and I imagined smoke coming out of his head and horns growing when he started his Bush tirade. Rush Limbaugh compared him to a Klingon.

    I don’t think Hillary will desert the party either. I think McCain is her only hope. She should have gone Independent this time. With the votes split 3 ways she could have won. I wrote and begged her to as did so many others

  146. We’ll strart taking seriously the polls after October 15’s last debate. For what it’s worth here is a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby telephone tracking poll

    http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1575

    The race for President of the United States remains far too close to call between Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain as both candidates head toward the finish line, a recent Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby daily tracking telephone polls shows.

    The survey, including a three-day sample of 1,220 likely voters collected over the previous three days – approximately 400 per day from Oct. 5-7, 2008 – shows that Obama holds a slight advantage amounting to 1.9 percentage points over McCain. This represents a bit of a recovery by McCain, who had been sliding in some polls before his running mate, Sarah Palin, put in a strong performance in her one and only debate performance last Thursday.

  147. Henry,
    I think you are right. My husband made the same comment. Obama would have copied his plan if he had announced it.

    Obama’s main strategies are “Me too – I mean I thought of that before he/she did.” Divide and conquer. He/She’s racist or now anti-Semite.

  148. admin,
    Thanks for the poll. Makes me feel better. I wonder with the oversampling of Dems, the Bradley effect and the late deciders breaking for McCain (as they did for Hillary) if there isn’t hope. I think McCain would elevate Hillary in his administration. He wants to reach across party lines and she is so accomplished – and they like each other. I don’t think she will fare as well with Obama by any means.

  149. I am underwhelmed by Gibbs and his namecalling. He has no ability to argue a point on the merits. Pretty ineffective.

  150. Two weeks ago the pundits were predicting Sara would fall on her sword in the debates. We now know she is by far the best debater of the four of them. Once again big media gets it all wrong. When are we going to stop listening to them?

  151. Maybe its just me but I found it highly comical. I guess they figure they have to lay off the racist card for a day or two. So now everyone will be anti-semite.

  152. At this point my attention turns back to Hillary which it never really left. If I were advising her now I tell her to continue to supporting the nominee, thus proving she did not let the party down. But once the election is over I would tell her to declare herself an independent, sit with the democrats but make preparations to run for president in 2012. Give her senate seat to RFK.

    Have you been reading my mind, wbboei? lol scary.
    I was skeptical about Hillary going indie at first, but that may be the way to go…..(?)

  153. wbboei,
    You sound as angry and disgusted as I feel. I guess I am trying to keep my hopes up. My daughter is arguing for McCain at school. Her Catholic teacher in a dual credit class seem to agree but most of the kids are for Obama. My daughter brought up the Thank you note McCain sent related to by tiny $20 contribution. The teacher reached in his desk and pulled his letter out. He made a $5 donation. He also was proud of his letter and the respect McCain showed the voter/contributers of small donations.

    He then sent home Time and Newsweek with my daughter – old issues as he knows we don’t subscribe.

    I only get disgusted when I talk to my oldest daughter who seems brainwashed. She is a junior in college – and honestly – I don’t know her anymore.

  154. Maybe its just me but I found it highly comical. I guess they figure they have to lay off the racist card for a day or two. So now everyone will be anti-semite
    ——————————————–
    I agree Henry. They are imaginative and versatile.

  155. I thought McCain was effective hitting Obama on taxes.

    That should be the main line of atttack from McCain, and also keep asking why is Big Media giving Obama credit as some sort of economic genius? WHAT has he ever done to help the economy or create jobs? Have “man on the street” ads asking that question…..

  156. Tried to find a link to Dick Morris on Hannity saying he’s changed his mind and now thinks that the association between Ayers and waffles is relevent and needs to be examined due to bambi’s being responsible for distrubution of a 50 mil grant teaching radicalism in public schools. Hopefully it’ll be up tomorrow. Effective because he has changed his stance and he expresses why.

  157. peppermintgirl4145 Says:

    October 8th, 2008 at 3:19 am
    —————————————–
    I blame his staff people for not having a list of six zingers for him to hit bambi with.

    I blame his staff people for not having six good stories about bambi he could work in.

    I blame his staff people for letting the obituary read boring.

    I blame his staff people for not insisting that brokaw enforce time limits.

    I am angry because I was counting on him to change the game and he did not get it done.

    I am angry because McCain and Bambi are both so damned incoherent when the issues are so critical to our nations future.

    My earnest hope and desire is for mccain to win in 2008 so our girl can win in 2012.

    I am angry because tonights debate brought us no closer to that goal and time grows short.

    Dont worry I will help them. There are some old friendships I need to respect.

    Good for your younger daughter. Very perceptive for her years. I was touched by the story. Tell her she is doing the right thing for the country.

    I was 12 years behind John at the Naval Academy. I never met him but did meet his dad who was commander of the 6th fleet.

  158. This is the best article I’ve seen as it ties Rathke of NWRO, to Ayers through SDS and Weather Underground. As ACORN was built from NWRO it ties Ayers from the beginning to the present. Of course Obama started out in Chicago working as a community organizer for Project Vote which is the get out the vote component of ACORN. George Soros is tied from the late ’60’s as well in this article.

    The only component I don’t see right off is the Rezko component. Other articles tie Chicago’s New Party to the Democratic Socialist Party. All together – it may be circumstantial. All you need is a photo of Obama and Ayers together. The GOP says they spoke together. With Annenberg and Wood’s Fund this is damning.

    http://messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_us/articles.php?boardId=566751&articleId=929433&func=6&channel=News+AOL+Managed&sortBy=rating_d&filterRead=false&filterHidden=true&filterUnhidden=false&sortBy=rating_d

  159. I really understand your anger. Some of it seems to me to be the media. They said McCain HAD to have a game changer or lose. I really think they did the same thing to Hillary. Media would pooh pooh her and then she would win.

    I may still be in denial. Don’t let me kid you. I wait for the polls everyday then I start worrying or cussing.

    I’m sure you know this but this article ties the NWRO and Acorn and Ayers is relevant from the 60’s on. It ties this all up for me – except Rezko.
    http://messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_us/articles.php?boardId=566751&articleId=929433&func=6&channel=News+AOL+Managed&sortBy=rating_d&filterRead=false&filterHidden=true&filterUnhidden=false&sortBy=rating_d

  160. I’ve been trying to post but I guess I can’t get the link through. I do understand your anger. I look at the polls everyday and get all upset. I think I am denial though as I am really scared of Obama. I wanted a game changer because the media said McCain had to have a game changer or lose. Just like when they counted Hillary out after Iowa.

    I had an article that tied NWRO to ACORN and the NWRO founder to the Weather Undergtound to SDS and Ayers. Since Obama is tied to Project Vote, Acorn Ayers and the New Party or the Democratic Socialist Party it seems like it ties it all up pretty good.
    Title is
    Obama, Voter Fraud & Mortgage Meltdown
    Monday, September 22, 2008 9:42 AM
    on messageboards at aol.com

  161. I watched the debate: McCain acted mature and balanced, powerful and difficult to provoke – my judgment: John McCain is the right man to be president.

  162. Survey USA are such cheating bastards.

    They did their usual poll of who won the debate in the state of washington, they wanted the result they wanted i guess.

    Obama 54%
    McCain 29%

    Who did they ask 40% Dem 21% Repub and 39% indie

  163. Survey USA North Carolina

    McCain 49
    Obama 46

    Sample Dems 42% Republicans 37% Indies 20%

    Oversampled Dems again and McCain still won.

  164. This is starting to gain traction in the media finally….

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/08/voter-fraud-task-force-raids-nevada-office-backing/

    A Nevada voter-fraud task force Tuesday raided the state headquarters of a Democrat-allied organization that works to get low-income people to vote, setting off a skirmish over efforts to expand the electorate on behalf of Sen. Barack Obama.

    Authorities searched the Las Vegas office of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, which is accused of submitting multiple voter registrations with duplicate and false names, including names of former Dallas Cowboys players.

    Bob Walsh, a spokesman for Nevada Secretary of State Ross Miller, a Democrat, whose office leads the task force, stressed that ACORN was not charged with a crime but served with a search warrant as part of an ongoing investigation.

    “We went in and seized computer equipment and documents,” he said.

    Republicans accused the Obama campaign of associating with a group known for signing up unqualified voters, and which has been accused of submitting fraudulent or inaccurate voter registrations in Connecticut, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana and Wisconsin.

  165. THIS IS FROM THE BOSTON GLOBE – STUNNED

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/10/08/obamas_180_on_genocide/

    Obama’s 180 on genocide

    JOHN MCCAIN’S opening words last night were: “Senator Obama, it’s good to be with you at a town hall meeting!” Indeed it was. We now know why Barack Obama declined McCain’s invitation earlier this year to appear together in a series of 10 town hall meetings around the country. This is the format in which McCain excels, and he excelled last night. He was substantive, sympathetic, strong – sure of himself, his facts, and his convictions. On issue after issue, McCain sounded clear and mature. In a word, presidential.

  166. Washington Times – gaining traction on Acorn

    A Nevada voter-fraud task force Tuesday raided the state headquarters of a Democrat-allied organization that works to get low-income people to vote, setting off a skirmish over efforts to expand the electorate on behalf of Sen. Barack Obama.

    Authorities searched the Las Vegas office of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, which is accused of submitting multiple voter registrations with duplicate and false names, including names of former Dallas Cowboys players.

    Bob Walsh, a spokesman for Nevada Secretary of State Ross Miller, a Democrat, whose office leads the task force, stressed that ACORN was not charged with a crime but served with a search warrant as part of an ongoing investigation.

    “We went in and seized computer equipment and documents,” he said.

    Republicans accused the Obama campaign of associating with a group known for signing up unqualified voters, and which has been accused of submitting fraudulent or inaccurate voter registrations in Connecticut, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana and Wisconsin.

  167. Economic credentials my ass

    Obama Sued Citibank Under CRA to Force it to Make Bad Loans – UPDATED

    iusbvision.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/obama-sued-citibank-under-cra-to-force-it-to-make-bad-loans/

  168. moononpluto,
    I have always enjoyed the substance in your posts; but three entries in two minutes doesn’t seem appealing. And “# moononpluto Says:
    October 8th, 2008 at 6:01 am

    Som things of my posts are appearing, some are not? I dont know why?”

    meaning it is more than three in two minutes. I would separate those things by comas before I hit SUBMIT, if I were you.

  169. Gezhagen,

    Please don’t insult My Moonpluto.

    He is a terrific asset to the board and he can post as often as he likes.

    No one else finds him anything less that completely charming.

    if you don’t like his posts, scroll past.

  170. ” TO THINK WE COULD HAVE HAD HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON ”

    I still believe she has a chance if duly appointed election watch dogs do their jobs and expose the Hustlers ties to so many well funded hard core anarchists and criminal groups.We are in the midst of the most important election of our time and with an economy that is being reduced to a cesspool of fraud and graft by the actions of the Wall Street gang of educated pickpockets. Bill and Hillary have done their duty to her party and now it is time for us to join the fight and clear her path to the White House where she belongs.Just compare her dedication and smarts to anyone that is in this race now using her ideas and solutions to solve the mountains of problem that face our country and there is no one better to sit in the Oval Office and undo yhe damage done by the Hustler and his race card that should be his logo for the 57 Islamic States he loves so much.

    By ABM90 Still full of hope that patriotism and honesty will replace the fraud and deceit that that has engrossed us like a black cloud of threats and retributions.

  171. Gezahegn

    and your problem is….and who are you anyway, some of us have been on this board fighting like hell for months you know to actually get the information out.

  172. Honestly sometimes I wonder why i bother inputting here sometimes on to this board with some of the flippant comments i get back, oh yeah i remember its because i care about my friends her and like to keep them informed.

  173. I just watched the Hannity clip above.
    That smarny snarky Gibbs is a complee A$$hole!!!!!!

    Does he not see the difference between a talk show host interviewing people from different sides of an issue and a prseidential candidate associating with former terrorists?

    Hannity should have shut the guy up.
    How can a man who is friends with a terrorist protect the country from terrorism?

  174. Basil its the old, if you dont agree with Obama, your a racist or an anti semite or homophobic or christian.

    Gibbs went way too far in my opinion he needed a slap. At least Hanity allows you to hear all sides, Obama and his ilk don’t want you to hear anything but them.

  175. Moonpluto,

    We lurve you. Don’t listen to him. By gezhagen’s standards i should be banned from 44. i can’t count the number f times I’ve submitted multiple comments within a couple of minutes either coz i forgot to add something, i couldn’t see below the dialogue box line or i was just plain excited about something.

    Don’t you DAR stop posting here!!!!!!
    😀 😀 😀

  176. moon,

    guess Gibbs was trying to get us used to the anti-fairness doctrine. 👿

    Fox heavy on ACORN fraud right now.

    Some county registered a couple of thousand voters 1100 of which turned out to be frauds . . . . didn’t catch the whole remark – Fox is all over the story.

  177. Basil

    No one else posts at that time of the morning so thats when i fill up and give the overnight information coming in, its so people have plenty to read in the mornings when they wake up, i’ve done it for months but if people don’t like it, i’ll stop.

  178. wbboei, I think we all fell for the expectations game. McCain delivered his punches though not as effectively as I would have thought. It was quite clear he did not want to be on the same stage with that loathsome guy we all know. In a few other boards, a few are saying the markets are going down because of the prospect of a Obama win.

  179. moon, thanks for the Globe article. I think we should spread it around. All we/McCain can do in the next few weeks is to expose Obama for what he is, a fraud. I don’t know how to get back at the Media other than to not listen to them.

  180. I still get the gut feeling, Obama just will not do it, he will fall at the last hurdle, my gut instinct is normally right and i just think Americans have too many questions about Obama. Watch for all the polls to be wrong on Nov 4th.

  181. basil, Gibbs got under Hannity’s skin which was his goal. Hannity should have simply said without emotion I am a journalist who interviews all kinds of people and I am not running for president.

  182. Theres another angle that i think has been very effective and that is Palin, while Obama has been in debate camp practising, and swanning about, Biden has been doing nothing on the campaign, he is not electrifying and pulling crowds, Palin is, in large numbers pulling in an awful lot of voters in the right place, its called playing your trump card when you need it most.

    Its those towns and rural areas that Palin has been visiting that will call this election and right now she is being very effective there.

  183. Lake County, Indiana

    of 2000 new applications 1100 are no good

    over half are not valid.

    ACORN being investigated in 7 states.
    NAACP filed papers that opposing early voting is . . . RACIST!!!

  184. Breaking on Fox

    FNC now saying investigations in 10 states. FBI now getting involved. ACORN says they are the victim because they can’t control their workers.

    This could get big real quick.

  185. moonpluto,

    You don’t haveta justify a GD thing!
    Besides, if i didn’t get the morning headlines from you I might be forced to go to one of the enemy sites.

    😉

  186. Palin may be related to Princess Diana, Roosevelt
    Wed Oct 8, 2008 5:36am BST
    Ellen Wulfhorst

    NEW YORK (Reuters) – Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin is distantly related to the late Princess Diana and late U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, genealogy experts said on Wednesday.

    The governor of Alaska and the princess are tenth cousins, while Palin and Roosevelt are ninth cousins once removed, said Ancestry.com, online genealogists based in Provo, Utah.

    The genealogical connections are not the first to gain attention in the U.S. presidential campaign. Last year, Lynne Cheney said she found while tracing her family roots that her husband Vice President Dick Cheney was a distant cousin of Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.

    Other researchers discovered Obama is distant cousins with actor Brad Pitt.

    “When you’ve got candidates who have deep roots in America, there’s a good chance that they’re going to have some famous cousins,” said Ancestry.com’s chief family historian Megan Smolenyak.

    “We’ve all got literally millions of cousins. The trick is finding that one little connection that results in something like Sarah Palin being related to FDR or Diana,” she said.

    Palin and the late princess descended from John Strong and his wife Abigail Ford, Ancestry.com said.

    Strong was born around 1605 in England and emigrated to the United States, where he died in Massachusetts in 1699, Ancestry.com said.

    Palin and Roosevelt share ancestor John Lothrop, who was born in England in 1584 and also emigrated to America, where he died in Massachusetts in 1653, Ancestry.com said.

    According to family and local histories, Lothrop was a Puritan Presbyterian minister who arrived in the Massachusetts colony in 1634, said Ancestry.com, which says it has access to 7 billion records online.

    uk.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUKTRE4971HJ20081008?sp=true

  187. “ACORN says they are the victim because they can’t control their workers”

    Well what were you doing in the first place using them if they were incompetent fraudulent liars. This could really be bad if the FBI gets involved, voter fraud carries a heavy penalty and the worker won’t just be liable but the whole Acorn umbrella could be prosecuted.

  188. Below is something most of us missed. Apparently there was a Saturday Night Live sketch that was taken down by NBC. Nikki Finke has the story and the video.

    Before posting the video we’ll compliment Nikki Finke who, like us, uses the term “Big Media” to describe what the less knowledgeable call “mainstream media”.

    Here is Nikki’s post referring to “Big Media”: http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/urgent-sag-negotiating-committee-recommends-national-board-conduct-a-strike-authorization-vote-of-membership/

    And here is the removed SNL skit which apparently is a bit more evenhanded and somewhat blames Dimocrats for the current financial crisis:
    http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/mystery-of-missing-snl-bailout-skit-explained-nbccom-took-it-down-for-legal-reasons-will-put-back-up-edited-version-today/

    “On the past weekend’s Saturday Night Live, a brutal but hilarious Democrat-bashing skit aired about the $700 billion federal bailout and the insanity of those subprime mortgages, and it featured lookalikes for George W. Bush, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, hedge fund billionaire and big Democratic donor George Soros, and a parade of sob-story “victims” who turn out to be deadbeats, greedy house-flippers, and schemers. (The unedited YouTube version was taken down by NBC lawyers.) The sketch was embraced by Republicans for appearing to blame Democrats for the Wall Street meltdown. At one point in the sketch, President Bush (played by SNL regular Jason Sudeikis) even said, “Wasn’t it my administration that warned about the problem six years ago and it was Democrats who refused to listen?” (Immediately Barney Frank starts to complain… only to be hushed by Pelosi.) The skit was very obvious payback for all the Sarah Palin bashing this season on SNL which was trying to portray equal opportunity satire.”

  189. A Pittsburgh, Pa. man called in to the Quinn & Rose morning show and said he got a call from Allegheny county. They wanted to verify that he was changing his party from Republican to Democrat. They said the signatures didn’t match. He said he had no intention of changing.

  190. A Pittsburgh, Pa. man called in to the Quinn & Rose morning show and said he got a call from Allegheny county. They wanted to verify that he was changing his party from Republican to Democrat. They said the signatures didn’t match. He said he had no intention of changing.

    Fox saying LAKE COUNTY: HALF OF ALL ACORN REGISTRATIONS ARE OBVIOUS FAKES!!!!!!

  191. Ignore the racist meme….when crimanals are doing wrong, they always blame the victims. This is about gaining POWER plain and simple…at this point I’m voting for the republicans.

    The DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY broke their own principles in their desperation. What does the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY really stand for…all this time I’ve been reading a fairytale on how principled their are and the one I see breaking the laws and swiftboating candidates has been the party of the Jackass.

  192. Moononpluto and basil9 here is a multiple choice question.

    The investigation of ACORN will soon be denounced as

    A) Racist;

    B) Anti-Semitic

    C) A Republican plot to remind voters of Alice Palmer

    D) Bill Clinton’s fault

    E) Racist and Anti-Semitic

  193. New McCain ad which is a step in the right direction but too indirect and not specific and not on target. Call Obama a liar on substantive issues already – there is enough material on “preconditions” and “Pahhkisstan” to make the charge stick. Here’s the ad:

  194. Watching fox news this morning.

    the debate expert says McCain definitely won. ( I didn’t catch his name, I don’t think he was a partisan though) The winning point, buying mortages to keep people in their homes. He stated that was Hillary’s plan and actually another Republicans, what do you think when Hillary and republican’s have the same idea??? i think they have the countries best interests at heart. Now he is going to have to explain that more, conservatives got in a tizzy over it, and I think it isn’t really a buy out as much as a helping up so they can afford the homes, but that has to be explained better. But the commentators point was McCain put a plan out there, good or bad, and Obama didn’t offer anything other than the same old stump speech.

    As to the financial guy that came next. The markets will react to last nights debate, mainly BO’s part because he is ahead 9 points in the gallup so they see him as the winner. And in this guys words, the economy is in bed with the flu and BO wants to give it cancer and a whole list of other illnesses. He’s an old fashioned tax and spend liberal and he isn’t going to be deterred by an ailing economy. He announces a mandatory healthcare plan that will punish businesses if they don’t participate, at a time with businesses are already struggling, he will choke them even more, clear message, business bad, government good. And the markets will react negatively to him. I do not know who will win. The lady who has never been wrong (can’t remember her name) says that McCain will. Because the polls show that more people still think McCain will be an over all better leader, and that is who when it comes down to it people will vote for. I think this 9 point gallup poll will lull some people into inevitability and a lot of those new young voters won’t go to the poll. They will figure its already won. Republicans on the other hand are use to being down in the polls. They will still show up. Voter supression against republicans is an old game. Most of them are very aware of it. I still plan on voting. Its going to come down to voter turnout, just like it does every election year.

  195. Wow caught some of that ACORN stuff. Looks like they are cracking down all over, and ACORN calling it a political stunt. They had names of Dallas football players on their lists in Nevada. LOL!

  196. I’m glad ACORN is being exposed. McCain camp needs to hit HARD that Obama worked as their attorney, AND did their “training” for them.

    Also, if McCain camp is reading this blog (I pray they are) this is the thing to hit on with the Ayers connection. From a poster at RD blog:

    Mary, on October 8th, 2008 at 9:47 am Said:
    Want to mention something re Ayers, as a retired high school teacher.

    The $100 million Obama doled out as part of Ayers’s Annenburg Challenge—supposedly to “improve education” in innercity Chicago—was mostly given to charter schools aligned with Ayers’s community organizer world view.
    Nothing wrong with building young people’s self -esteem or teaching them to “believe in themselves and their rights.” All of us who have actually taught in an innercity school do that, you know—big whoop.
    But if the children being taught end up with no better reading or math skills than the public school kids, even if they DO have more “tude” about what society owes them, then the “educational project ” is a complete failure.

    And THAT is what we should emphasize with Obama’s connection to Ayers’s wasted $100 million project.
    The assumption Ayers made—-that basic skills would improve in his smaller, charter schools—completely failed.
    Post-project analysis, educationally, showed that students in Ayers’s schools scored NO BETTER than the public school kids did. In short, that means they scored POORLY.

    Lotta self-esteem, but still couldn’t spell or add. (little tacky-sounding, but true).
    $100 million wasted, and nothing achieved.

    I think that analysis of the Ayers association, rather than “domestic terrorist”, will have more impact on the public than anything else.

    The Annenberg Challenge, as designed and run by Ayers and Obama, was a complete failure, in terms of real results.
    Just my 2 cents.

  197. A.I.G. Takes Its Turn in Hot Seat
    October 8, 2008, 8:16 am Link to This

    A day after Richard S. Fuld Jr. was compelled to explain the millions of dollars he made at Lehman Brothers, two former executives of the American International Group took their turns in government witness chairs on Tuesday, answering critical questions from lawmakers about business and pay practices and outsize spending that continued even after the company received an $85 billion lifeline from the government.

    One particular point of contention during the hearing before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee was a weeklong retreat that a life insurance subsidiary, AIG General, held for its top sales agents at the St. Regis Resort in Monarch Beach, Calif., only a week after the government extended its $85 billion loan last month, The New York Times’s Michael J. de la Merced and Sharon Ottoman reported.

    The $442,000 in expenses for the week included $150,000 for food and $23,000 in spa charges, according to documents obtained by the committee.

    Joe Norton, A.I.G.’s director of public relations, told The Times in an interview that the event had been scheduled last year, though he did not know whether executives had considered canceling the retreat after the bailout.

    In addition to questions about spending, the two A.I.G. executives who appeared before legislators, Martin J. Sullivan and Robert B. Willumstad, faced sometimes heated inquiries into risky bets by the company on complicated financial products that insured mortgage-backed securities.

    A.I.G., for decades the largest insurance company in the world, must now sell wide swaths of its businesses to repay the government loan, made because of the potential catastrophe that the company’s bankruptcy would have unleashed.

    Mr. Sullivan was criticized for his reassurances to investors about A.I.G.’s health in December despite warnings from company auditors that its exposure to those contracts was growing.

    And many legislators berated the two men for large pay packages dispensed to top executives despite evidence that the company’s financial health had begun deteriorating in 2007. Mr. Sullivan was questioned by several lawmakers over why he had requested that accounting losses from A.I.G.’s exposure to these swaps be excluded from calculating one particular compensation plan.

    The two former executives also took criticism from their outspoken predecessor, Maurice R. Greenberg, who sought to deflect responsibility in a statement to the committee. Yet Mr. Greenberg, who also questioned the need for the government’s de facto takeover of the company as part of its rescue package, declined to appear, citing illness.

    The nearly five-hour hearing was the second this week held by the House committee after the pointed questioning on Monday of Mr. Fuld about the collapse of Lehman, the investment bank he led. Committee members, led by Henry A. Waxman of California, are seeking more information from troubled financial companies after the passage of the Bush administration’s $700 billion bailout plan last week and the chaos gripping the markets.

    “A.I.G. had to be bailed out by taxpayers because of your investments in credit-default swaps,” Carolyn Maloney, Democrat of New York, said. “I don’t believe any of your management deserves a bonus.”

    Mr. Sullivan, who was ousted as A.I.G.’s chief executive in June, and Mr. Willumstad, who was the company’s chairman before succeeding Mr. Sullivan, blamed wider market tremors for the company’s stumbles. They also attributed A.I.G.’s $25 billion in write-downs to mark-to-market accounting rules, which forced the company to take paper losses that led to debilitating credit downgrades.

    Yet both Democratic and Republican lawmakers dismissed those arguments, citing testimony from a former chief accountant for the Securities and Exchange Commission.

    “A.I.G. is blaming its downfall on accounting rules which require it to disclose losses to its investors,” the witness, Lynn E. Turner, said. “That’s like blaming the thermometer, folks, for a fever.”

    Instead, lawmakers focused on efforts by company management to shield inquiries into the London subsidiary that had underwritten the derivatives contracts that became devalued during the global credit crisis.

    Both PricewaterhouseCoopers, the company’s auditor, and an independent accountant complained of a lack of access to the London unit and its leader, Joseph Cassano. The accountant, Joseph St. Denis, said in a statement to the committee that he had been deliberately blocked from questioning Mr. Cassano because he might “pollute the process.” Mr. St. Denis later resigned in protest.

    Mr. Cassano has continued to draw $1 million a month in consulting fees from A.I.G., a fact that aroused ire from several lawmakers. He earned $280 million over the last eight years.

    For his part, Mr. Greenberg sought in his written statement to cast A.I.G.’s troubles as arising after he left in 2005, under the shadow of an accounting inquiry.

    “When I left A.I.G., the company operated in 130 countries and employed approximately 92,000 people,” Mr. Greenberg said in a statement. “Today, the company we built up over almost four decades has been virtually destroyed.”

    When asked about Mr. Greenberg’s contention that risk controls at A.I.G. had loosened after his departure, Mr. Sullivan argued that risk controls had actually tightened since then.

    dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/aig-takes-its-turn-in-hot-seat/

  198. Greed rewarded
    Lehman case spotlights CEO excesses
    WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 8, 2008
    Appearing before a congressional committee Monday, Lehman Bros. CEO Richard S. Fuld Jr. wondered why the federal government did not rescue the 158-year-old firm at about the same time it took control of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and agreed to an $85 billion federal loan for insurance giant AIG.

    Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson decided not to guarantee the sale of Lehman, which was knee-deep in risky investments in mortgage-backed securities. The company filed for bankruptcy protection Sept. 15, a collapse that prompted President Bush’s $700 billion rescue package.

    Mr. Fuld blamed short sellers who devalued the company’s stock, poor regulation and a “financial tsunami” that overwhelmed the company.

    He also said: “I take full responsibility for the decisions that I made and for the actions that I took based on the information that we had at the time. I believe those decisions were both prudent and appropriate. In the end, despite all our efforts, we were overwhelmed.”

    But the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform wanted to know whether Mr. Fuld and other executives purposely misled investors about the company’s financial state. Committee members read internal company e-mails and documents showing the company was well aware of the crisis even while publicly proclaiming its health.

    The CEO said he “firmly believed” the company would prevail by reducing its debt and raising money through the spinoff of its commercial real estate unit. “There was certainly no attempt to mislead anyone,” he said.

    But the part that most rankled the committee was Mr. Fuld’s emergence from the ruins with at least $350 million, which he estimated he was paid from 2000 to 2007.

    “Is that fair for the CEO of a company that is now bankrupt to have made that kind of money? It’s just unimaginable to so many people,” said Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., chairman of the committee.

    Mr. Waxman also showed that four days before the firm went bankrupt, its compensation committee recommended awarding three departing executives more than $20 million in golden parachutes. Thus, at the same time the company was pleading with the federal government for a bailout, it was arranging millions in bonuses for fired executives.

    Meanwhile, shareholders were wiped out and Lehman employees lost $10 billion.

    “You made all this money by taking risks with other people’s money,” Rep. Waxman said. “The system worked for you, but it didn’t seem to work for the rest of the country and the taxpayers, who now have to pay $700 billion to bail out our economy.”

    This is an aspect of the crisis that most exasperates people. Such compensation is far from fair. It is wrong.

    http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20081008/OPINION01/310089940/Greed+rewarded

  199. Moon: I LURVE your informative posts. I wake up every morning to them, and enjoy reading along, as I drink my morning coffee. Keep up the great work. :). Since I watch very little of MSM, I get most of my information from the internet. Thank you.

  200. Have you been reading my mind, wbboei? lol scary.
    I was skeptical about Hillary going indie at first, but that may be the way to go…..(?)
    ——————————————-
    kingsgrove: so was I. But not it is clear that this is her only shot. There is no way the democratic party will give her the nomination–zilch, nada, wont happen. And if she stays in the party she will be marginalized–as you are seeing now. Also, if she supports him as she is doing she will be held partially responsible for his failure–thats the hell of it.

    Four years from now the party label will be radioactive based on obamas proven inabililty to deal with the problem. People are beginning to obamaize their portfolios now and it will only get worse. The other thing is more bad information about obama will surface and will color the perception of him as a leader but will not affect the election.

    He will enter office with a deteriorating economy, half the country against him and the other half wanting the redistributionist policies he implied he would give them. And when he plays the race card to get the critics off his back all hell will break loose. Big Media has no credibility and people will ignore it in the gathering storm.

    As ABM 90 says: “And to thiink we could have had Hillary. In 2012 we very well might, but not if she stays in the Democratic Party. I can think of no scenario in which that happens if she stays in the party because the bad guys will run the party and extact their revenge on her and her people. It is not a safe haven–believe me. Worst of all, she will lose her voice–as we are seeing now.

  201. Son of Tennessee Lawmaker Indicted in Hacking Sarah Palin’s Email

    A federal grand jury on Tuesday indicted the son of a Democratic Tennessee state lawmaker in connection with the hacking of the personal email account of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, which occurred last month. According to a statement from the Justice Department, David Kernell, 20, was scheduled to be arraigned Wednesday before US Magistrate Judge C. Clifford Shirley.

    Kernell, the son of state Rep. Mike Kernell, was indicted by federal grand jury in Knoxville for intentionally accessing the email account of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin without authorization. Kernell faces a maximum of five years in prison, a $250,000 fine, and a three-year term of supervised release.

    His father, a Democrat from Memphis, said that he had nothing to do with the email hacking incident.

    The indictment against Kernell alleges that on Sept. 16 he reset the password to Palin’s email account to gain access to it. He is then said to have read the contents of the account, and made screenshots of the email directory, email content and other information. He later posted some of the information to a publicly accessible website.

    Kernell, an economics major at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville, faces a maximum of five years in prison, a $250,000 fine and a three-year term of supervised release.

    The case is being prosecuted by section chief Michael DuBose and trial attorney Mark Krotoski of the criminal division’s computer crime and intellectual property section, and Assistant US Attorney Greg Weddle of the US Attorney’s office for the Eastern District of Tennessee. FBI field offices from Anchorage and Knoxville investigated the case, according to the Justice Department.

    Kernell is an economics major at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville.

    http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7161
    *****************************************************
    A brainwashed “bot” waking up to reality.

  202. No more tickets for McCain/Palin visit
    2:49 PM EDT, October 7, 2008
    No more tickets are available for tomorrow’s John McCain- Sarah Palin rally at Stabler Arena in Bethlehem, according to the campaign.

    The 12:30 p.m. event, the third visit by McCain to the Lehigh Valley this year, is free and open to the public. But a staffer for the Republican presidential candidate said all the tickets had been snatched up as of this afternoon. He said that the campaign can’t guarantee entry to the event without a ticket, but will try to accommodate those who show up without one. The capacity for the event is roughly 6,000.

    The rally kicks off a busy five-day stretch of campaign events in the state. Palin will return to Pennsylvania Friday and hold a rally in Johnstown Saturday morning. Democrat Barack Obama is scheduled to campaign in the Philadelphia area Saturday. Running mate Joe Biden is set to campaign with Hillary Clinton in Scranton on Sunday.

    http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-mccain-1007cn,0,7745855.story

  203. For those who are saying Hillary should become an Independent, there are those of us who have been saying that since early in the primaries when all the sexism and misogyny was allowed to fester; and no one spoke out against it in HER own party – neither did the DNC or its leaders. We equated it to staying in an abusive marriage. The party left her – nah, the Party kicked her and Bill’s a$$ to the curb and tried to destroy them. They also kicked the base to the curb, thanks Donna Brazile, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and nObama. I have pretty much voted ‘the person’ but now am a registered Independent voter in FL – and I will not forget those who voted me half a person and those voters in Michigan should remember the poison pill that the same groups of people forced them to swallow. It was the PARTY for without the party the individuals would have amounted to nothing. I have questioned in my mind, as much as I love Hill, Bill and Chel, how they could remain in the party that is systematically destroying America – party be d@mned is what they should have said, Country First!!!!!

  204. From now on…don’t expect equal treatment from the Media for McCain/Palin…it’s all out 99% Obama pr and marketing going on…just like the media did with the run up to the war…they are doing the same thing with their influencing the voting process.

    Tune out the media and stick with facts most “bots” are repeating talking points not facts…in fact when you give them facts they are surprised the news media is not reporting this.

    So they then want to repeat the polls, the polls numbers doesn’t hurt the republicans because they will go out to vote…it will be a big surprise for the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY losing when they have been giving false hope to people with the really bad polls numbers being push on the public.

    I hope they keep it up because I do know many young people who will not go out to vote if they think this win is in the bag.

  205. Shortermer, Hillary Clinton is a active Democratic Senater, she could not leave and become an independent. Now if like Lieberman she choose to run as an independent and is voted into the Senate as one…then that is different.

    I agree with you that her own party swiftedboated her and I don’t think they will ever support her as long as they party is held by Obama. They just don’t like her…at all.

    Obama is the radical wing of the party and looks at the Clinton’s as SELLOUTS.

  206. I am sorry to keep on this Paulson guy Kashkari but somebody needs to be explaining something to me.

    Kashkari has been hired by the treasury since 2006 to solve mortgage issue and has a program called HOPE NOW.

    If the treasury knew since 2006 this was an issue why did they not do something earlier…especially with the dem congress.

    And why would a treasury guy be involved in the mortgage issue….not something else…

    What is the role of the treasury?

    This guy needs to be questioned…

    The rocket scientist with the 700B wallet!!!

  207. The Democrats are worried about Obama not being able to close the deal, they longer the Dems have to slant the polls in Obama direction, to get these good poll numbers tells you they do not have confidence he will win this November.

    DO NOT BELIEVE ANY POLLS NUMBERS WITHOUT VERIFYING THE INTERNALS.

    McCain need to keep poundint HIGHER TAXES FOR THOSE PAYING TAXES ALREADY and DEATH OF SMALL BUSINESSES. Obama will tax us into a depression with his spending policies….he has no intention to follow the Clinton model.

    By the way, it is important as voter to hold those accountable including Congress accountable for current Fannie & Freddie Mess.

  208. Bambi’s friends list is starting to read like the FBI’s top most wanted list. Is no one but us seeing this??????

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/08/you-got-to-know/

  209. I am hearing that PA has 1/2 a million new dem voters registered, and the repubs have lost 30 thousand. But the dems are worried cause alot of dems in PA vote republican. I can’t help but wonder how many of those new voter registrations are bogus and no one will be showing up on election day. That is one of the states were ACORN was raided.

  210. ON THE FRONT LINES:

    &&&&&&&&&
    basil9 Says:

    October 8th, 2008 at 9:19 am
    Lake County, Indiana

    of 2000 new applications 1100 are no good
    over half are not valid.

    ACORN being investigated in 7 states.
    NAACP filed papers that opposing early voting is . . . RACIST!!!

    moononpluto Says:

    October 8th, 2008 at 9:20 am
    Breaking on Fox

    FNC now saying investigations in 10 states. FBI now getting involved. ACORN says they are the victim because they can’t control their workers.
    This could get big real quick.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Normally, the Repubs arguments about “voter fraud” are largely fabricated; usually there are not that many ineligible voters, or dead voters, etc. In the past, claims of voter fraud have been used to suppress voting, to erect hurdles.

    But this year is different. The ACORN is probably the tip of the iceberg. Obama is ruthless and knows that he cannot count on the puffed up, skewed polls to drag him over the finish line.

    It has recently come out that the key to Kennedy’s victory over Nixon in 1960 was that Papa Kennedy pulled out all the stops, got the dead to wake up and vote, and vote again.

    So this time, I’m rooting for the Repubs to expose voter fraud, because this time, it’s for real.

    I love the fake names on some of these registrations, just like the fake names of his overseas donors. “That Man” must be stopped.

  211. Lin67 Says:

    October 8th, 2008 at 11:46 am
    I am hearing that PA has 1/2 a million new dem voters registered, and the repubs have lost 30 thousand. But the dems are worried cause alot of dems in PA vote republican. I can’t help but wonder how many of those new voter registrations are bogus and no one will be showing up on election day. That is one of the states were ACORN was raided.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    Also, of these new Dem voters, how many were from the primary, and how many of those supported Clinton?

  212. good point rgb. I keep hearing that BO has more of his democrat registered support than McCain has of registered republicans. Its only 1 percentage point difference, but I have a really hard time believing that. Polls show a large percentage of Clinton supporters are not going to vote for BHO, and yet dems who support BHO are high. Those numbers just don’t jive.

  213. SHV Says:

    October 8th, 2008 at 9:24 am
    WTF..a new “screen name” drops by and tells moononpluto how to post?????????
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Yeah, moon is a righteous poster. Genghiskan, or whatever, please, we’ve all had moments when the stupid computer or web site weirds out.

    Plus, sometimes, ideas come out in spurts. Sometimes, I disappear for days, then post several times in a short period.

    Thanks, SHV, for pointing that out. Hey, are you a new screen name too???? (jes kiddin’…I started posting here like Dec. or January).

  214. So in the technological world, why can we not straighten out the voting. We have they technology, but no one wants to use it.

    At least in Iraq they just color you finger so you don’t vote twice.

    I cannot help but wonder who has the best system with least fraud.

  215. To all,

    Personnel I welcome you all, and hope everyone keeps posting. This is my free press.

    Now if I could just learn to proof read and spell, I would be happy.

  216. Is any one having big problems with the site today, i use firefox and the comment box is all over the place and i can’t comment.

  217. Lin67,

    if Oslimy truly was getting as good a percent of Dems (which is higher than Repubs) as McCain of Repubs, don’t you think this would be indicated in the polls? Just shooting from the hip here, but he’d be raking in a 52-57% lead in the polls against McCain’s 39- 43%, like a 13% lead.

    We know Oslimy was having trouble wooing a) hillary supporters b) hillary big-money bundlers. With the primary having dragged out over many months, and it only ending when the refs fixed the outcome, there are real a valid reasons why the divide in the Democratic party is real and deep. There are battle lines, and not much movement. Just think, after all this time, the Bots are still trying to undermine and criticize our Hillary. They’ll despise the Clintons for years to come, just like many Repubs do.

    And guess what. Us real Dems, and Indies, will forever remember Oslimy for the ruthless and talentless creep he’s shown himself to be. I ain’t warming up to his “charms”. Ooops, mini-vomit.

  218. i’m using internet explorer but the site will not update or let me comment on firefox, been locked out for hours.

  219. NewMexicoFan Says:

    October 8th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
    So in the technological world, why can we not straighten out the voting. We have they technology, but no one wants to use it.

    At least in Iraq they just color you finger so you don’t vote twice.
    &&&&&&&

    In Iraq, if you try to vote a second time with the dyed finger, they probably cut it off: “That is just a reminder of how our Iraqi justice works”.

  220. FIGHTIN’ BACK:

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/RNC_IE_expanding_buy_to_Maine_NC_and_FL.html

    RNC IE expanding buy to Maine, N.C. and Fla.

    The RNC’s independent ad arm is broadening its ad buy to include two more red states, another indication of GOP efforts to bolster their defenses in states they won four years ago.

    The committee tomorrow will expand on an ad buy that began last week to include North Carolina and Florida, two states where Barack Obama has been vastly outspending John McCain on the airwaves in recent weeks.

    Brad Todd, who heads the independent expenditure (IE) effort, said in a statement that their commercial, Worse, would go up on parts of the two states.

    It also going up statewide in Maine, where Republicans believe they may be able to snag one of the two electoral votes that are distributed there by congressional district.

    Further, the IE will release a new ad in Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin hitting Obama on spending. WIth McCain pulling out of Michigan, the committee has followed suit and is not including the Wolverine State in this new buy, to total over $5.5 million.

  221. You’re right RGB, I keep telling myself that so I don’t get discouraged. You keep hearing its over its over, and I know that’s a psych out, but I still like to remind myself that its exactly that. Also I remind myself that Obama has a hard time closing deals when he has an opponent, not just Hillary, but he did in Chicago too.

  222. rgb44hrc Says:

    October 8th, 2008 at 11:57 am
    Normally, the Repubs arguments about “voter fraud” are largely fabricated; usually there are not that many ineligible voters, or dead voters, etc. In the past, claims of voter fraud have been used to suppress voting, to erect hurdles.

    *******
    After this year’s primary process education, I actually think the Republicans were actually right all along about voter fraud, dating back all the way to JFK’s IL win in 1960. I actually believe now ‘Voter Fraud’ is a ‘dinocrat’ specialty. We can all thank Hillary for this education opportunity.

  223. Hillary Clinton is a active Democratic Senater, she could not leave and become an independent. Now if like Lieberman she choose to run as an independent and is voted into the Senate as one…then that is different
    ——————————————-
    There are plenty of reasons why this won’t happen but conventional logic is not one of them. These are not conventional times. As I said, I doubt this will happen because she would need to be a risk taker and she probably has a more optimisic view of her chances within the party than I do. When this issue of going independent came up before I was opposed to it for all the reasons you and others suggest. But now we are facing a perfect storm, and to simply stay the course is the path to political oblivion in my opinion.

  224. I’d like to share this with you guys. Its a bit personal but I’d like you to see how concerned Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are about the American people. I am currently unemployed, my benefits run out mid December and I will not be able to pay my mortgage in January (let alone buy food).
    This is the answer given to me by my rep. and how much they care about me.
    ++++++++++++

    Thank you for contacting my office with your concerns about unemployment benefits. Please excuse the delay in responding to your letter. Your comments are greatly appreciated. California has one of the highest unemployment rates in the Nation. According to the Department of Labor, California’s unemployment rate is 7.7%, which is significantly higher than the national average. This makes it clear that my constituents, as well as all other Californians, need help while looking for new employment.

    On July 12, 2008, Representative Jim McDermott introduced H.R. 5749, the Emergency Extended Unemployment Compensation Act of 2008. H.R. 5749 would provide for 13 additional weeks of unemployment benefits to workers that have exhausted their regular unemployment compensation. The bill was amended and passed in the House by a 274 – 137 vote. I am pleased to report I voted in favor of this legislation. The bill was awaiting approval by the Senate.

    Unfortunately, on October 3, 2008, the 110th Congress adjourned and no further legislative issues will be considered. Please be assured should this bill, or a similar piece of legislation, be introduced and brought before the full House of Representatives in the 111th Congress, I will keep your views in mind.
    ++++++++

    Could Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have kept the doors of Congress open long enough to pass this bill for the American people…or is it just Wall Street they care about.

    Folks the is the MAIN reason we need to have checks and balances. With BHO as president they will ram their agenda down the throats of us all.

    With McCain we have a fighting chance.

  225. The McCain people are unhappy that McCain did not take the bull by the horns last night. I just do not understand it. With everything he had to attack him with it I find it unfathomable that he failed to do so. I have talked to a number of people this morning who share that view. The good new if Brokaws face lift is a disaster. He should see poosies taxiderminst for a second opinion.

  226. If the American people want reform and honest government they will vote McCain/Palin. That is the best hope for the country. It is our best bet for Hillary in 2012. But they need to see the facts and the opportunity to present them was forfeited last night. For the life of me I do not understand why.

  227. I’d like to share this with you guys. Its a bit personal but I’d like you to see how concerned Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are about the American people. I am currently unemployed, my benefits run out mid December and I will not be able to pay my mortgage in January (let alone buy food).This is the answer given to me by my rep. and how much they care about me
    ——————————————–
    Debbie: reid and poopsie are beyond pathetic.

  228. No one else posts at that time of the morning so thats when i fill up and give the overnight information coming in, its so people have plenty to read in the mornings when they wake up, i’ve done it for months but if people don’t like it, i’ll stop.

    Moon, don’t make me kick your ass this morning. Do you have ANY idea how much time your links save me? How many times your funny quips keep me from curling up in utter despair? How often your insightful thoughts lead me to look at something from a whole new angle? Just keep being you…if someone doesn’t like it , they’re free to scroll on past. To most of us here, you’re posts are a real asset to Big Pink. 🙂

  229. (((Admin))) Thank you so much for posting that SNL clip. I scoured the net for hours yesterday and last night trying to find any site that had it. All I could come up with was site after site saying the clip dissapeared. I don’t know how in the world you managed to find it, but…WELL DONE!

  230. Yes, Moon if you want to post 150 times straight, and hit that send button continuously, you can.

    That is called a Democracy.

  231. Lin67 Says: I keep hearing that BO has more of his democrat registered support than McCain has of registered republicans. Its only 1 percentage point difference, but I have a really hard time believing that. Polls show a large percentage of Clinton supporters are not going to vote for BHO, and yet dems who support BHO are high. Those numbers just don’t jive.
    ============

    Excuse me for repeating myself, but according to some polls, about half of Hil’s supporters still reject Obama; about 1/4 of her supporters plan to vote for McCain, the other 1/4 to stay home or vote third party etc. Some polls ignore the stayhomes as not ‘likely voters’ so you get a higher percent for Obama.

    Another thing that throws off the polls is that this summer a lot of people LEFT the Democratic party in protest, leaving it to the Obama people..

    I’ve got a diary at clintondems comparing some of these polls; it’s linked from turndownobama.com.

  232. How would slanting the polls toward Obama benefit him at this point? If his supporters think he’s sure to win, they may
    slack off: stop donating, not show up to vote, etc.

  233. I do not put any stock in these polls either. I do not put any stock in msn headlines. The issue is the very thing I have worried about for months now and that is whether mccain will take on Obama in the way he needs to. He could kill him based on his track record in Chicago alone. It is something he alone must do. Only then does it become a headline and msn must deal with it.

  234. How would slanting the polls toward Obama benefit him at this point? If his supporters think he’s sure to win, they may
    slack off: stop donating, not show up to vote, etc.
    ——————————————
    lemmings and weak thinkers go with the flow. If they can discourage mccain supporters and lure in lemmings they win.

  235. ….”The mortgage renewal idea actually originated with Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, said Charlie Black, a senior adviser to Mr. McCain.

  236. NewMexicoFan Says: Yes, Moon if you want to post 150 times straight, and hit that send button continuously, you can.
    =========

    {{{ hugs moon }}} Damn right moon, thanks for all your posts, keep them coming!

    Sometimes on a wordpress blog a message comes up saying “you’re posting too fast” but that is just a bug in wordpress. I hit Back and then hit Submit again and hold it down a little longer and it usually goes through okay.

    It’s always a good idea to save a post before Submitting. Hit Control-A to select the whole post, then Control-S to save it to memory.

  237. ….”The mortgage renewal idea actually originated with Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, said Charlie Black, a senior adviser to Mr. McCain.

    The bots heads are gonna explode over that statement. heh heh heh .

  238. Republicans on the other hand are use to being down in the polls. They will still show up. Voter supression against republicans is an old game. Most of them are very aware of it. I still plan on voting. Its going to come down to voter turnout, just like it does every election year
    =========

    Just a cheering memory. Some years ago on the eve of election day I saw this cartoon. A frumpy old lady in house shoes dropping her ballot in the box. Caption: “Tomorrow, we’ll hear from the REAL leader of the Western World.”

  239. moononpluto Says:
    October 8th, 2008 at 8:48 am
    ============
    {{ hugs moon }}
    If anybody is criticizing you, sic me on ’em, youbetcha!

  240. Found this over at pumblog.org and thought it was pretty funny

    “And, of course, the committed Obama voters are NEVER going to vote for McCain. NEVER. Not even if Larry Sinclair, Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezko, and Louis Farrakhan himself all host a joint press conference in the nude and regale the public with tales of drunken and drugged bestiality involving Barack Obama, a donkey, and a very lonely Acorn. And then burn a flag and make fun of how gullible intellectual white people are.”

  241. Gezahegn Says:
    October 8th, 2008 at 7:30 am
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    Timestamps can be wierd. Moon (yay moon!) is on the other side of the world from most of us.

  242. I’m having real problems posting, the site will not work properly on Firefox, it will not accept comments and is messed up. Maybe its my pc but on internet explorer its ok but i hate explorer.

  243. Here’s a link to a 2001 webpage for the University of Chicago showing both of the Obamas serving together with Bernardine Dohrn on the school’s mentor program:

    web.archive.org/web/20010420055822/www.harrisschool.uchicago.edu/current/programs/2000mentors.html

    Current Mentors

    The following is a list of 2000-2001 mentors. An asterix indicates that the mentor has already been chosen.

    Ms. Bernadine Dohrn
    Professor
    Northwestern School of Law

    *Mr. Barack Obama
    Senator
    Illinois State Senate

    Ms. Michelle Obama
    Associate Dean of Student Services
    University of Chicago

  244. turndownobama-com Says:

    October 8th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
    How would slanting the polls toward Obama benefit him at this point? If his supporters think he’s sure to win, they may
    slack off: stop donating, not show up to vote, etc.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Maybe they are hoping that Repubs and McCain supporters of other persuasions get demoralized and say, “What’s the use, Obama is gonna win”.

    But as you said, that is a double-edged sword, and it might make lukewarm Obama supporters think their vote is not critical, “I may not bother voting, Obama is ahead by like 8 points”.

  245. admin Says:

    October 8th, 2008 at 9:34 am
    Moononpluto and basil9 here is a multiple choice question.

    The investigation of ACORN will soon be denounced as

    ************************************************

    Admin – I pick the blame will be on being racist and Bill Clinton…

  246. The polls are taking the proverbial piss that they are not even funny.

    I dont believe a single one anymore, i wonder if they are doing this, so that if he loses, they can turn it into the biggest disgrace and call it “rigged” after all we all remember what happened when he lost New Hampshire, it was recount this, recount that, expect to see a lot of that when McCain wins.

  247. Gezahegn Says: I watched the debate: McCain acted mature and balanced, powerful and difficult to provoke – my judgment: John McCain is the right man to be president.

    ===========

    I agree! Good summary!

  248. The best part about that is that Acorn admits they can’t screen every registration for one for fraud, sorry but even one is unacceptable, if a person is crooked and pressing fraudulent voter registrations, its a FELONY by person and by Acorn, its not enough to just say we didnt know because they are suposed to be responsible for the workers and audit trail.

  249. wbboei Says:

    October 8th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
    The McCain people are unhappy that McCain did not take the bull by the horns last night. I just do not understand it. With everything he had to attack him with it I find it unfathomable that he failed to do so. I have talked to a number of people this morning who share that view. The good new if Brokaws face lift is a disaster. He should see poosies taxiderminst for a second opinion.

    *********
    Look at this contray view, I agree with this view about McCain’s debate last night.

    http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/10/a_contrary_view_of_the_debate.html
    A contrary view of the debate
    by BLAKE DVORAK

    The conventional wisdom from last night’s debate formed rather quickly. Basically, John McCain didn’t do what he had to do to change the trajectory of the race. Polls bear this out, giving the win to Obama. I think on the whole the CW in this case is correct.

    But that doesn’t mean we can’t look at the contrary view. As Byron York reported yesterday on NRO, someone “close” to McCain said he went into the debate feeling like he didn’t have to go hard and fast after Obama on issues like Bill Ayers.

    The friend said: “He’s got 28 days left. He needs a strong and steady performance. He needs to be very empathetic, as he has been in many, many town meetings, and he needs to use it as a way to pivot to issues that the voters most care about — to run a negative campaign against Obama, but on those issues …. the Ayers thing, in this kind of election, seems old and irrelevant.”

    I think McCain was steady and empathetic. He talked better about the economy than he did in the first debate. Meanwhile, right before the debate, the market continued to decline. Point is, McCain figured he would hurt himself more by appearing to ignore the economy in favor of things like Ayers. That was a calculation, and one that might prove fatal in the end.

    But sometimes those of us covering this campaign every hour of the day can lose perspective on what actual voters are thinking. The chatterers are talking to the chatterers, who are talking to other chatterers. And what they all decided was that McCain needed to do what they thought right. He didn’t, ergo he lost.

    Well, perhaps. But in the echo chamber that is the national media certain things are sometimes lost. For instance, the media has all but declared Sarah Palin a drag on the ticket, and yet she continues to draw huge crowds. Someone out there likes her.

    When events don’t go the way the chatterers want them to go (or think they should go) they call it a defeat, a missed opportunity, etc. But what they’re really saying more often than not is that they want politicians to do what they think is right. McCain didn’t last night. He and his campaign felt it was better to talk to the American people, not to the chatterers.

    Again, I still believe McCain missed a very important opportunity. But then I read the economic headlines and I wonder what the effect would have been had McCain done what the chatterers — including me — thought he had to. There’s a disconnect there. Say what you will about the way McCain has run his campaign, but last night he didn’t go for the cheap shot and did talk about the issues.

  250. On CNN’s pre-debate coverage last night they announced that they had selected 69 voters to respond to the debate. 38 democrats and 31 republicans. After the debate and all day today they have reported that 54% of their selected “debate watchers” would now vote for Obama. Well Isn’t 54% of 69, 37…nearly the exact number of democrats in their original group.

  251. Another Acorn caught again, CONNECTICUT, seriously a court should order them to desist immediately

    http://www.connpost.com/ci_10661361?source=most_viewed

    HARTFORD — The State Elections Enforcement Commission has opened an investigation into allegations that a community activist organization submitted AT LEAST 10 false voter-registration cards in Bridgeport.

    One of the phony registrations was for a 7-year-old girl in the Marina Village housing complex, whose age was listed as 27 on the voter card.

    Another registration came from a man who later said he couldn’t have completed the voter card purported to be his because he was in jail on the date of the document.

  252. wbboei,

    Palin keeps saying she is running for executive office rather than legislative. A distinction that has been lost for a while. But perhaps Hillary is aware of it. Hillary’s goals seem to be legislative: getting healthcare established etc. She may not WANT the administrative duties of President, any more than the administrative duties of Senate Majority Leader.

  253. I could write a book on Acorn it seems

    http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=803756

    Milwaukee County prosecutors Tuesday charged a convicted felon with illegally registering himself and others to vote between his conviction and his sentencing.

    The complaint accuses Adam Mucklin, 22, of registering to vote in June, after he was convicted of battery in April, and after a judge told him he couldn’t vote as a convicted felon. Later in June, Mucklin signed up to work as a paid voter registrar for the Community Voters Project, something else he couldn’t do as a convicted felon, the complaint says.

    A recent opinion from the staff of the state Government Accountability Board says no one convicted of a felony can ever serve as a registrar, a stricter standard than the previous interpretation that registrars only had to be eligible to vote.

    [snip]

    Mucklin was among 49 voter registration workers who were referred to the Milwaukee County district attorney’s office by the Milwaukee Election Commission on suspicion of election fraud. He is the second to be charged.

  254. I saw a video clip online (possibly here?) where Biden was telling the crowd that people from small towns weren’t used to someone with such intelligence like Obama.

    That really angered me, especially after that “bitter” thing that Obama said.

    Maybe if Fox would play that until the election, it may help. I believe that really hurt Obama, as it should have.

  255. I am so sick of them calling everyone racists. What would they do if they couldn’t use that? I don’t believe they know what the word means. I’m tired of people always playing the victim. It’s time they get a backbone.

  256. From NQ 5 days ago:

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/03/acorn-nailed-registering-dead-people-in-indiana/

    ACORN Nailed Registering Dead People in Indiana

    ACORN, Barack Obama’s own special organization has been caught in Indiana illegally registering people to vote. Not just any people. At least one of them is dead. Just like they do in Chicago.

    “Fraudulent applications are the workings of ACORN groups operating from Milwaukee and Chicago who are getting out the vote for Obama. I’m Republican, but I want everyone who should vote to vote. But I want a clean election,” Curley said at a Wednesday news conference.

    Lake County elections officials acknowledged they have found problems and had to reject a large portion of the 5,000 registration forms turned in recently by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, an activist group that conducted registration drives across the county this summer.
    (snip) go to the link to read more….

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    And the above article was pointed to today’s NQ posting about ACORN in OH and NV:

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/08/acorn-las-vegas-office-raided-on-charges-of-voter-fraud-ohio-officials-step-up-registration-checks/

    Wednesday update: A wire report out of Cleveland, Ohio, published at 11:48 a.m. ET:

    ACORN says it can’t prevent voter registration fraud

    An organization under scrutiny across the country for voter registration irregularities has told Ohio election officials it cannot eliminate fraud from its operations.

    The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, blamed inefficiency and lack of resources for problems including duplicate registrations and workers filling out registration cards to make quotas.

    The group, which works to get low-income people to vote, has turned in at least 65,000 cards to the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections in Cleveland in the last year. The board has investigated potentially fraudulent cards since August and reviewed the situation Tuesday. …

    Okey doke. Uh huh. At the same time that your counterpart in Nevada — on the defensive and boxed in a corner (of Acorn’s own making) — is claiming today that Acorn has “zero tolerance” for counterfeit forms and turns them into election officials, as is required by law.

    Here is the first report on the raid of the Las Vegas, Nevada offices of Acorn:

    According to reports just filed by AP, FOX News, Washington Post, CBS News, and several other local news sites, “ACORN’s Las Vegas headquarters has been raided by Nevada authorities looking for evidence of voter fraud”.

    FOX news states:

    Nevada state authorities seized records and computers Tuesday from the Las Vegas office of an organization that tries to get low-income people registered to vote, after fielding complaints of voter fraud.

    Bob Walsh, spokesman for the Nevada secretary of state’s office, told FOXNews.com that the raid was prompted by ongoing complaints about “erroneous” registration information being submitted by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, also called ACORN. The group was submitting the information through a voter sign-up drive known as Project Vote.

    “Some of them used non-existent names, some of them used false addresses and some of them were duplicates of previously filed applications,” Walsh said, describing the complaints, which largely came from the registrar in Clark County, Nev. He said some registrations used the names of Dallas Cowboys football players.

    (snip) go to the link if you want more

  257. I’m a first-time poster but long-time reader. Ever since the primaries, I’ve diligently read this site for accurate information and dutifully sent it on to everyone in my address book (especially, moononpluto’s poll information… so keep it coming!).
    Like all of you, I was shocked at the way Hillary was treated during the primaries and even more aghast at the ‘pass’ given to Obama. Frankly, I wouldn’t hire him as a manager at my company much less as the leader of the free world. Thin doesn’t begin to describe his resume.
    Anyway, since Google has their 2001 files available for inquiry, I started peeking around and found this: Guess it was just another neighborhood meeting!?! (And, none other than MO organized it.)
    http://web.archive.org/web/20010724094124/www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/97/971104.juvenile.justice.shtml

  258. The thing is if they keep this up it will hurt bambi because people may just say “oh well if they call me a racist, i may as well vote as one”,This is the bradley effect, you call me a racist, so i’ll vote that way when i get in the privacy of the booth. it could do great damage of they keep this up, I for one am sick and tired of political correctness and every frigging thing thats said, you get called a racist.

  259. moononpluto Says:

    October 8th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
    Here’s a link to a 2001 webpage for the University of Chicago showing both of the Obamas serving together with Bernardine Dohrn on the school’s mentor program:
    * * * * * *
    Moon, this list reads like a who’s who of the Illinois Combine.

  260. most of the ground troops that work for ACORN are ok, they got suckered into working for an organization that is as corrupt as Wall Street. Ideally the organizers wanted to make a positive difference in the lives of Americans but unfortunately the leadership had other ideas. When your paycheck is based on production…some will milk the system. That is across the board… i.e. car salesmen, or any other commission based job. Consumer report groups and agencies are filled with these deceptive practice violations. We don’t notice most of them until it affects us….elections affect us….hence the outrage.

    I’m glad ACORN is being called out on this…next up unions (I’ve got some scary stories about them)!!!!

  261. My response is these days to the accusation of racism is, “you wanna see racism, go to Baracks Church or the primaries where he wins 98% of the black vote because he’s black, yet you call us whites racist because we wont vote for him and then if any black doesnt vote for Obama they get labelled an Uncle Tom and get ostracized and called a traitor, yet you call me racist, you are a disgrace”

    When you call them out on the bullshit, they stop, they dont expect you to respnd, its a fear control.

  262. moononpluto Says: I’m having real problems posting, the site will not work properly on Firefox, it will not accept comments and is messed up. Maybe its my pc but on internet explorer its ok but i hate explorer.
    ===========

    I use Opera as preferred browser, it’s fast.
    Version 7.54
    Build 3869

    I keep most of the fancy stuff turned off (java etc) and go to other browsers for more complicated sites.

    There are soem bugs and problmes wiht wordpress sites even with Opera.

  263. Playing catch up:

    To you Obamabots out there: So the only way you can get your idiot into office is to lie and cheat with registrations, etc…? How sad! How Pathetic!

    Joe Biden,

    So you along with your master believe that not only are small towns bitter but they are stupid? I’m assuming that’s what you meant by your comment that small town people aren’t used to someone as “intelligent” (should really read racist and bullying) as your master.

    Moon,

    I love reading your posts and clicking on the links you provide. I don’t have time to look on my own and I very much appreciate your efforts to keep me informed.

  264. Well McCain scores a bullseye, love to see Obama call this racist, this should get good press.

    embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/08/mccain-camp-sends-out-statement-from-ayers-victimobama’s-friend-tried-to-kill-my-family/

    A day after Senator McCain did not even mention Bill Ayers during the Nashville debate ( despite the anticipation by many that he would) his campaign sent out a strong statement,by John M. Murtagh who’s family’s house was fire-bombed by Ayer’s militant group, the Weather Underground, when he was a 9 year old kid.

    “When I was 9 years-old the Weather Underground, the terrorist group founded by Barack Obama’s friend William Ayers, firebombed my house. Barack Obama has dismissed concerns about his relationship with Ayers by noting that he was only a child when Ayers was planting bombs at the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol. But Ayers has never apologized for his crimes, he has reveled in them, expressing regret only for the fact that he didn’t do more.

    READ FULL MURTAGH STATEMENT HERE

  265. Oh thats going to stick

    “Barack Obama’s friend tried to kill my family.”

    Pass it around folks.

  266. Palin keeps saying she is running for executive office rather than legislative. A distinction that has been lost for a while. But perhaps Hillary is aware of it. Hillary’s goals seem to be legislative: getting healthcare established etc. She may not WANT the administrative duties of President, any more than the administrative duties of Senate Majority Leader.
    ——————————————–
    then she sure had me fooled for 15 months

  267. ACORN Nailed Registering Dead People in Indiana
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    just an honest oversight. Registering them is one thing. The question is whether those corpses will actually vote. I am sure there is an innocent explanation for this and big media will find it.

  268. Well those dead people had to sign voter registrations so unless they dug themselves up, came back to life, filled in the card and posted it then i see no other reason that felony voter fraud.

  269. anyone else have trouble logging on today?

    i’ve been shut out since 10am and just got on with the laptop.

    still can’t connect on pc.

  270. Are they having a fucking laugh?

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081008/ap_on_go_co/meltdown_pelosi

    DENVER – House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says a second economic stimulus plan is needed now because of the faltering economy and she puts the price at $150 billion. The House did pass a $61 billion economic aid proposal last month before lawmakers left Capitol Hill ahead of the Nov. 4 election. But a similar plan failed to pass the Senate. Pelosi, D-Calif., says the economy is weakening and more help probably is needed. But President Bush has promised a veto.

  271. Well those dead people had to sign voter registrations so unless they dug themselves up, came back to life, filled in the card and posted it then i see no other reason that felony voter fraud
    ———————————————
    I now believe in reincarnation. Before this I was skeptical.

  272. Sure Nancy, just 150 billion more, sure have 300, no wait 500, now maybe 1 Trillion.

    They turned the taps on and the Dems want to fill the tank.

  273. ACORN Nailed Registering Dead People in Indiana
    ———————————————-
    I am shocked, shocked that the organization that spawned Obama would stoop to this. There must be some other explanation.

  274. …seems like a timeline would be an effective way to outline/organize all of the links and stories to Obama’s really scary past.

    1981-1983[William Ayers and Barack Obama meet at Columbia?]

    1987 William Ayers links up with Barack Obama in Chicago

    1988 Ayers solicits Khalid Al-Mansour to raise money for Obama’s Harvard law School education

    1989 Tom Ayers and William Ayers get Obama a summer job at Sidley & Austin (where he meets Michelle Obama); Ayers’ wife Bernadine Dohrn also worked at Sidley at about the same time as Barack and Michelle.

    1993 Ayers places Obama on Woods Foundation

    1995 Ayers makes Obama Chairman of Annenberg Challenge

    1995 Ayers hosts a coffee klatch for Obama’s political debut (Obama falsely claims this is when he met Ayers)

    2007-2008 The structure of Obama’s presidential campaign increasingly comes to resemble an Ayers-designed national “community organizer matrix” straight out of Maoist theory. This is not merely a presidential “campaign.” Obama’s organization is the first installment of an ongoing movement being paid for with tax-exempt contributions to his campaign, approaching half a billion dollars.

    2008 Obama In response to ABC News, Obama tells a national TV audience he was “six years old” when Ayers bombed federal buildings, and they are only casual neighborhood acquaintances. A lie.

  275. wbboei Says:

    October 8th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
    ACORN Nailed Registering Dead People in Indiana
    ———————————————-
    just an honest oversight. Registering them is one thing. The question is whether those corpses will actually vote. I am sure there is an innocent explanation for this and big media will find it.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Registered dead people do indeed have a problem showing up at the polls.

    However, people using phony IDs of dearly departed individuals should have no problem driving around and voting all over the state. Busloads. Think of it.

    The Revenge of the Cursed Caucusers, coming to a voting location near YOU!

  276. moon,

    yes – pc is firefox. laptop is explorer.

    please don’t tell me i have to change pc browsers!!!!!! i nev er had problems before. what happened?
    OMG – listening to carville quotes saying if BO goes into the GE with a 5 point lead and loses it’s gonna get very dramatic out there??????? wtf?????? and apparently the major polls are all back to a 1 – 4 point spread. also (in case i can’t get back on) Biden is calling palin DANGEROUS!!!!!!!
    hannity nails it – this is al effort to intimidate anyone from questioning BO. the police state is officially here.

  277. dont know Basil, but it certainly seems the problem is firefox because, mine went nuts. Use Opera on your pc, it works faster, just installed it.

  278. Early reports of a zombie parade heading to early polling. Zombies are marching two by two and chanting “Obama won’t you please come home!” Reporters have yet to get at least one zombie willing to be quoted. 😉

  279. President Obama has just announced the appointment of William Ayers to be Secretary of Education (re-education). In his acceptance speech Ayers has echoed Obamas mantra: hope, change and revolution. Ayers has requested no fireworks and that all contributions be made to the Maoist and Fidelist organizations that he and President Obama have been directing Annenburg Challenge moneys to for several years. Keith Olberman has expressed confidence in this choice and is reportedly thrilled to see Obama make good on his commitment to hope change and revolution. He says it proves words matter.

  280. Early reports of a zombie parade heading to early polling. Zombies are marching two by two and chanting “Obama won’t you please come home!” Reporters have yet to get at least one zombie willing to be quoted.
    ——————————————–
    very good Jan.

  281. Basil, Moon, wonder what the problem is with Firefox — recently installed new version but was working well for the past week or whatever. I finally decided to try int explorer and that works but I don’t like it as well. Did you install that add-on having to do with the bookmarks under to locate bar? I just installed that and thought it might be the problem. I used to use Opera, do you think I ought to upgrade it? The odd thign is there are no probs on other sites, right?

  282. moonpluto,

    i never had a problem until that snl skit was added. now i’ve got the same problem as you – page ends with no comment box or if i do see a comment box it’s not activated.

    how do i download opera and will that interfere with firefox?

    also, anyoine else notice instead of a pink box with 44 the icon appearing in the browser is a white S in a red box? does that mean the program’s been hacked?

  283. OK folks…I completed my early voting today…..

    And just using my GUT feeling, I decided that no dem on my ballot dersvered to be elected so I went mostly repub/independent….for the first time….

    —-

    I may be tuning off completely for the next few days…I am MOST disgusted by BIDEN now…

  284. grape,

    i have no problems with other sites.

    i’m wondering of that different icon, white s on red background, means it
    s been hacked.

    everyone else still see the pink 44?

  285. Did you hear about this Biden rally here in Tampa this morning? The guy gets up there to introduce Biden. Beyond partisanship yada yada yada please joining me in welcoming the next vice president of the United States, John McCain.

    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! oops. Guess he forgot who he is supporting.

  286. I heard that President Obama has also appointed Reverend Wright to be Secretary of State.
    ——————————————–
    Jan- I heard the same thing. But in a later report I heard that Wright will be UN Ambassador. He can stand up in front of third world emissaries and do his goddam america routine. They will love him for it and say he is the one they have been waiting for. Hugo Chavez has expressed his support for this fine appointment, and Hamas is expected to weigh in favorably as well. Both will make contributions to the DNC and obama campaign in small unmarked bills.

  287. basil said: never had a problem until that snl skit was added. now i’ve got the same problem as you – page ends with no comment box or if i do see a comment box it’s not activated.
    ============

    When that happens to me it means I need to log in to H44 again.

  288. thanks TD.

    I don’t need it on the laptop but will download on the pc later.

    has your His44 icon changed to a white s on red background?

  289. basil,

    no I’m not using firefox…had too many problems with it a while back and am on internet explorer now.

  290. wbboei Says: President Obama has just announced the appointment of William Ayers to be Secretary of Education (re-education)
    =========

    Also the establishment of a Ministry of Truth.

  291. wbboei,

    hmmm…I’m wondering if Wright will need to graduate from the Joe Biden school of gaffes first? 🙂

  292. wbboei,

    Any news on Michelle’s position in the WH? I heard rumors that she was up for a new position as Secretary of Racial Relations?

  293. I’m a long-time reader but this is my first post (although, it’s really my 3rd attempt since the others didn’t go through for some reason).
    Anyway, I wanted to add this 1997 item to MoononPluto’s timeline which I found while perusing Google’s 2001 files. Seems that MO was also a participant… just one big, happy neighborhood, wouldn’t you say?

    http://web.archive.org/web/20010724094124/www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/97/971104.juvenile.justice.shtml

  294. basil9 Says: moon,
    yes – pc is firefox. laptop is explorer.

    =============

    HUH?????

    Both programs run fine on both my laptop (a small machine) and my Personal Computer (ie desktop, a big machine).

    Both my machines use ‘PC/IBM’ Windows software Operating Systom, not Mac (ie not Apple Macintosh).

    I expect both firefox and internet exlplorer have version out by now for both PC/IBM and MaC Operating Systems.

    You may need different VERSIONS of firefox and different VERSIONS of internet explorer for different machines and/or different Operating Systems. Go to the download site and it will ask you what Operating System you have.

  295. wbboei said: then she sure had me fooled for 15 month
    ==

    Maybe she will change her mind in future, with McCain/Palin willing to hold the tiller.

  296. JanH Says:
    October 8th, 2008 at 4:20 pmAny news on Michelle’s position in the WH? I heard rumors that she was up for a new position as Secretary of Racial Relations?
    ——————-hahahahahahahahaha…..ooh, too funny! You should read her Princeton thesis!

  297. has your His44 icon changed to a white s on red background?
    =============

    I’m not sure which icon you mean.

  298. OMG!!!!

    I don’t know how i just ended up at huff-poo but there are a ton of articles there about Palin inciting
    violence towards BO!!!!
    They’re saying peopleat her rallies call out ‘kill him” (according to dana millbank) and the secret service has been put on high alert!
    This is madness! Palin dangerous and BO not so much?
    here’s the link.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/mccain-does-nothing-as-cr_n_132366.htmlis

    td – i mean the icon in the left corner of the browser window.

  299. Admin, I was shut out of this blog for most of the day! The post does not come up right with firefox — there is no message board at the end. It happened after you added your SNL links @ 9:22 please get rid of that post. I don’t want to use IE. Thanks.

  300. basil,

    I’m sorry, I cna’t help much with icons. I keep images turned off in Opera, or sometimes it brings up a cached image.

    Opera is working for me the same as always. I did nto click on the SNL link, I can’t do videos either.

  301. I don’t follow polls but I saw this in a comment elsewhere and thought it might cheer some people up.


    The USA Today-Gallup Poll published Monday (9/8/08) shows a ten point advantage for McCain-Palin among likely voters — the most important constituency. That is a remarkable turnaround when you consider Obama received an eight-point bounce from the Democratic Convention,
    which has now been wiped-out.

  302. basil9 Says:

    OMG – listening to carville quotes saying if BO goes into the GE with a 5 point lead and loses it’s gonna get very dramatic out there????
    &&&&&&&&&

    I like Carville. A lot. Kinda feels funny listening to Hill and Bill and Carville spouting off about Obama. “I’m not listening to you…”

    But is this some kind of veiled threat by Carville? That if Obama’s got a 5+ lead, and loses, that there must have been some nefarious plot, and that the inner cities will start rioting?

    First, polls are polls are polls. And the pollsters play guessing games. And they can be way off regarding “Democrats”, some (like me) who will NOT vote for Obama. And even a 5 point win might lose the electoral vote. Jimmy C., I don’t have to go over the basic grounds rules, do I?

    Lastly, that we would elect a politician only out of fear of blackmail, that the country would be plunged into a race war unless Obama wins (despite a 5 pt. lead in “polls”), is a disgraceful surrender of our democracy.

    Again, I didn’t hear the full context. But I’m reading between the lines, and often, that’s where most of the book is understood.

  303. basil9 Says:

    October 8th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
    OMG!!!!

    I don’t know how i just ended up at huff-poo but there are a ton of articles there about Palin inciting
    violence towards BO!!!!

    =======
    I have a really hard time believing that. Has that been verified from a reliable source? Fox runs all the time and it hasn’t been there. If it was true it would have been. Now at a BO rally I would beleive it, but I have a hard time believing that from a Sarah Palin rally. She makes them very nervous and very afraid. You should have heard all the dems talking about how if BO loses it will all be because of race. They know those polls are bogus. And this attack of hers is working.

  304. turndownobama-com Says:

    October 8th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
    I don’t follow polls but I saw this in a comment elsewhere and thought it might cheer some people up.

    The USA Today-Gallup Poll published Monday (9/8/08) shows a ten point advantage for McCain-Palin among likely voters — the most important constituency. That is a remarkable turnaround when you consider Obama received an eight-point bounce from the Democratic Convention, which has now been wiped-out.
    &&&&&&&&&

    Monday 9/8 was last month. I don’t know what it would say about Wed. 10/8?

  305. Here’s the deal (to the best of my knowledge).

    At the Carson Rally (I think), Plain atalked about Ayers and one guy in the crowd…way back in the back of the crowd…hollered “kill him”. True, that’s a terrible thing to say, but there’s absolutely zero evidence Palin ever even heard the guy. In fact, I don’t think she did, because she continued on without even hesitating.

    Now, in the hands of the crazies, this becomes Palin incites violence, crowds call for murdering the black man.

  306. 1 guy….Palin probably never even heard him….and how is merely daring to mention Bill Ayers “inciting voilence”?

  307. Alright, that sounds more plausible. Thanks Idunn. I guess I can see the concern, but that has nothing to do with her.

  308. BTW, other posts load up OK on firefox. I am pretty sure it is those loong SNL links from admin’s post that are throwing this into a loop.

  309. Monday 9/8 was last month. I don’t know what it would say about Wed. 10/8
    =======

    Woops, sorry! I’ll leave the comoputer adn go for caffeine, I wll I wll.

  310. Bet nothing would make Ayer’s happier than to have rioting in the streets. Seems to me that has been a goal for a long time.

  311. I hesitate to call this a bombshell, but I do think it is a BOMBSHELL. Corsi apparently has copies of emails between Obama and Odinga, as well as a Obama campaign strategy document. Obama apparently condones the violence and the approach used.

    He said he will produce the emails on Monday.

  312. Heard that. Corsi says he has proof, emails, documents and would give Hannity a copy.
    He’s going to be on Hannity’s TV show..think he said Monday. Corsi is still not in U.S.
    If he can provide proof, this IS a bombshell.

  313. But is this some kind of veiled threat by Carville? That if Obama’s got a 5+ lead, and loses, that there must have been some nefarious plot, and that the inner cities will start rioting?
    ——————————————
    I did not see the quote, but James needs to be careful here. If the statement is as represented it comes close to inciting and even if it does not meet the legal test it may have the practical effect. At a time like this the public is in a strange frame of mind and leaders need to be judicious in their comments. I expect James regrets this statement and should clarify it.

  314. Ruh..Roh…
    (snip)
    Federal prosecutors moved Monday to indefinitely delay Rezko’s sentencing, which had been set for later this month, so prosecutors and defense attorneys can “engage in discussions that could affect their sentencing postures,” according to court records.
    (snip)

    http: / / ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jw3DCc4q6FiZOvJFB2JWJy4ASw9AD93LUC5O0

    I guess dying in prison for the Messiah isn’t looking that good to Tony. He must be giving up a lot of good stuff for an indefinite delay in sentencing.

  315. someone here was critisizing Sarah for having a rally in Omaha the other day. I live really close to omaha…did you know BO has paid special attention to Omaha and Lincoln NE also?

    If you want to score a point at your next political get-to-gether, tell you listeners that NE, and Maine, have proportional electoral vote award systems…it is not winner take all in those states.

    Firefox problems: I upgraded yesterday to Firefox 3.03.3… There was a bug in the last upgrade- last wednesday’s – it is fixed in 3.03.3…supposidly.

  316. “Snapshots of 2001 — Reality is Not What It Seems »”

    Matthew Weaver at NQ looks at the newly released Google 2001 index…a lot of previously scrubbed stuff on Obama is showing up.

    http: / / noquarterusa.net/blog/

  317. Maybe someone wanted to kill Ayers. Didn’t Ayers actually damage someone’s family?

    See? I never even thought of that.

    (Not to say, of course, that I condone killing anyone.)

  318. Why do you believe a Republican said that….since we know “Bots” where at the rally?

    I just think it’s interesting this video and story popped up right now.

    btw; I’m sick so I will not be posting as much this week, have the flu.

  319. carby

    me too – the flu…you will not wake up dead tomorrow…

    You will wake up – probably in the afternoon or night…you will feel like death warmed over, but you will not be dead. and it will be a hard decision whether to shower and change the sheets, or just go back to sleep.

    for me it was sleep. now, next day, I need to change the sheets after my shower. Think I will throw on another quilt and make a second bed on the top. Think about it again tomorrow. Someone here sent me a pithy note which I pass on to you: Thermaflu = miracle drug.

    Luv and tea and sympathy…emjay

  320. I just got off the phone with an economist who is tuned in to political affairs. He says that Pelosi told one of the Democratic congressmen named Sherman that if the bailout bill did not pass the financial system could collapse, there could be food shortages and if that led to rioting then bush would call in the national guard. He also told me that bambi told the congressional black caucus members that if they did not support the bailout bill then he would make life difficult for them if he became president. This economist believes that the bill protects wall street at the expense of main street and what should have happened is the financial houses should have been required to write down the bad debt and thus bear the financia losses themselves instead of foisting them on taxpayers. He lamented the fact that mccain did not oppose the bill. TThis economist is a Roosevelt liberal.

    He also related some of the thinking inside big media and the obama campaign. He told me that they believe bambi must be 10 points ahead in order to win as a general rule of thumb, because of this bradley effect nonsense. Therefore, they are playing the race card and threatening civil disorder against the electorate in an effort to push the needle. So that is why you are hearing this crap now. He went on to say that if McCain has a repeat performance like last night, it will be a sweep for bambi.

    I mentioned the fact that bambi stole Hillary’s health care plan without attribution and McCain borrowed her bailout idea with attribution per Charles Black. I asked him what Hillary was doing at the moment and he said waiting on the sidelines, trying to exert constructive influence and waiting for the right opening to solve the mess. He and another friend of mine are convinced that her time will come, and are equally convinced that Bambi is a disater.

    On a related note, I spoke to someone in the financial community today who indicated that the markets are more likely to rebound if we get a drop in the price of oil, so that is an important factor to watch. I asked if today was a good day and was told it depends on what you mean by a good day. Down a couple hundred points.

  321. If you feel ill and nauseous, the best thing to settle the stomach is slices of raw ginger or ginger beer or ginger ale. Settles it fast, stops the vomiting.

  322. I got a nice letter fromt the DNC and they called it campaign kit. It contained stickers that said ‘Ask me how many houses I own.” and ‘No third term Vote Democrat.’ I replied in big black marker that ‘Donna Brazile and Dean had kicked my a$$ out of the Democratic Party during the primary… I was for Hillary and she would have won the 11/4 election easily with all the dead people and football players that ACORN brought in as registered voters.

    McCain/Palin ’08

  323. Carby and MJ…I’m coming down with something too. Face feels like it’s sunburned, eyes ache, skin hurts.

    Holy shit…you don’t think we’ve been hit with biological weapons do you? Friggin’ underhanded Obots!

    😉

  324. We need to search the old 2001 version and save whatever we can. I’ve saved a few things saying Obama was a member of the Chicago New Party.

    What else should I search? Any ideas?

  325. Shit, stuff is disappearing fast.

    LOL…found Barack J. Obama, senator. What the hell…he has ANOTHER name? LOL!

  326. I neglected to tell you the good news, but like all good news right now the impact will be long term.

    The economist said that this financial reversal is a repudiation of the globalist agenda he has been fihting against for many years.

    Another friend who is despondent about the choices we are left with and echoing ABM 90 coments “and to think we could have had Hillary”, sees this turn of events as the death throes of patriarchy. It began with incompetent Bush and ended with the rejection by the democatic elders of the most qualified person to be president by the mere fact that she happened to be a woman. She thinks that will change.

  327. Obama also served as the Illinois director of Project Vote!, an organization that registered nearly 150,000 new voters in communities with low-income and minority populations during the 1992 presidential campaign.

    isn’t that ACORN???? Thought he never worked for ACORN.

  328. funny you guys mention the snl skit and pc problems. every time i have tried to bring up a snl video, even directly from the nbc site, my pc goes in to full lock-down. i don’t try to view them anymore.

    btw – moon,
    i check your updates every morning before i head out to work. you’re the one person i can rely on to make sense of all the polls!

  329. If you feel ill and nauseous, the best thing to settle the stomach is slices of raw ginger or ginger beer or ginger ale. Settles it fast, stops the vomiting
    ——————————————–
    not necessarily. I tried it during a bambi debate and it had no benefical effect. I could not stop vomiting for love or money–until I happened upon the mute button.

  330. Yes we know…vacation.

    The Safe Neighborhoods Act was a very important piece of legislation-the governor called us back three separate times [to revive it],” Trotter said. “Senator Obama missing the vote [helped cause] the piece of legislation to still be inactive. It’s indicative to a point of the senator’s lack of commitment on this piece of legislation.”

    Noting that Obama had voted “present” on an unsuccessful motion to reduce the penalty for unlawfully carrying a gun in 1998, the Rush campaign suggested that Obama’s failure to show up for the vote showed lack of commitment to gun control.

    “Senator Obama did not show up for the vote then [in 1998], and he did not show up for the vote now,” said Rush.

    Obama says that he attended the first special sessions and supported the gun felony legislation, but could not attend the last vote because of a family emergency.

    “We had been in special session for a week before Christmas trying to get the issue resolved,” Obama said. “The governor called another special session for the Wednesday after Christmas, and I missed the vote because I’d taken my family to Hawaii to visit my grandmother. My 18-month-old daughter became ill over there, so I was unable to return in time for the vote.”

    Obama downplayed the importance of the vote, saying that the issue will be reconsidered in the future. But he conceded that the senate may not get the chance to vote again this year.

  331. isn’t that ACORN???? Thought he never worked for ACORN.
    ——————————————–
    Idunn-I thought it was well established that he worked for ACORN in his first job.

  332. delay Rezko’s sentencing, which had been set for later this month, so prosecutors and defense attorneys can “engage in discussions that could affect their sentencing postures,”
    ———————————————
    mindful of the radical roots into the middle east, I wonder which goverment agencies are involved, and where it will all lead. It will take time to sort out.

  333. Idunn-I thought it was well established that he worked for ACORN in his first job.

    Not according to him. 😉

  334. Maybe she will change her mind in future, with McCain/Palin willing to hold the tiller.
    —————————————–
    turndown: actually, I think you were right. I think there is a will but there may not be a way.

    I suspect the 2012 election may involve a new generation of celebs. Whether we like it or not time does march on.

    I went to see Lou Dobbs a few months back. He predicted that someone would show up on the ticket who no one had ever heard from before.

    We now know who that is: Palin/

  335. Not according to him.
    ———————————————
    was he lying then is he lying now or is he not in fact a chronic and habitual liar.

  336. moon-pluto

    2 things;

    don’t you quit our overnight news service or I will hunt you down like a camel and forcefeed you Wild Turkey kentucky bourbon whiskey. wbboei will help me, only he will use Imperial Vodka.

    next- When I find a really good mass of fresh gingerroot, I buy it all and put in glass jars of good vodka (not Imperial wbboei, I can’t afford you) – or I use a medium good spanish sherry. Refrigerate for up to 5 years…root is good in stuff I like to cook, and the liquor is a fabulous ginger-laced booze.

    Going back to 2nd class bed for rest and recuperation. Live in a small town and folks suddenly realized I was maybe in trouble and upon learning not so, my Tupperware is full. soups, etc.

  337. What do you guys make of this:

    ….”community organizations and organizers are hampered by their own dogmas about the style and substance of organizing. Most practice … a ‘consumer advocacy’ approach, with a focus on wrestling services and resources from outside powers that be. Few are thinking of harnessing the internal productive capacities, both in terms of money and people, that already exist in communities.” (Illinois issues, September, 1988)

  338. wbboei Says: turndown: actually, I think you were right. I think there is a will but there may not be a way.
    I suspect the 2012 election may involve a new generation of celebs. Whether we like it or not time does march on.
    =============

    Doubtless I phrased it stupidly, sorry. I’d have to serach back for my post to try to remember what I was trying to say.

    Just, that Palin is making a distinction between legislative and executive, which I (along with Bush Jr and Bill Clinton?) had forgotten. I put that together with what y’all said about SML being more trouble than it’s worth, more red tape than power. And suddenly what HIllary said in June started to make sense, about fighting for the same causes (establishing lasting legislation) whether she is in the White House or in the Senate. If SML is too much administrative ephemera, how much more so POTUS.

  339. Idunn Says:
    October 8th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    Obama also served as the Illinois director of Project Vote!, an organization that registered nearly 150,000 new voters in communities with low-income and minority populations during the 1992 presidential campaign.

    isn’t that ACORN????
    =====

    I saw something on Project Vote and Acorn not long ago. Probably in one of the things I was linking to at my clintondems diary, search there for ‘community organizing’. My vague memory says ‘Project Vote’ was a project sponsored by Acorn. Also, I know one of the articles there (Stan Kurtz?) said that Obama did some legal work for Acorn and trained some of their people!

  340. wbboei, Another friend who is despondent about the choices we are left with and echoing ABM 90 coments “and to think we could have had Hillary”, sees this turn of events as the death throes of patriarchy. It began with incompetent Bush and ended with the rejection by the democatic elders of the most qualified person to be president by the mere fact that she happened to be a woman. She thinks that will change.
    ==========

    Narrative-wise, President Palin may have some effect there.

  341. Hi everyone,

    Been away for a few days. I missed the debate. By the conversation on here i see i didn’t miss much.

  342. Sorry about the carville quote.

    I just got home and on a browse that allowed me to connect.

    here’s the quote – from anderson cooper.

    CARVILLE: Let me be clear, I said you can call the dogs and light the fire and leave the house. I think it sounds over.

    Now let me be clear here, if Obama goes in this race with a 5- point lead and losing this election, the consequences are — bull, man. I mean I don’t think that’s going to happen, but I think David it’s a point to bring up.

    But you stop and contemplate this country if Obama goes in and he has a consistent five point lead and loses the election, it would be very, very, very dramatic out there.

    What the hell does “very, very very dramatic” mean? Liberal Code words for teach Whitey a lesson? If McCain wins, the real drama will be how narrowly America averted being taken over by a Marxist.

  343. Joe Camp, a quality control manager for ACORN in Las Vegas, said at least 50 of 700 paid workers were fired during the large drive for falsifying voter registration forms. Camp said about 1,400 suspicious or duplicated forms were given to county officials.

    ####

    lets do the math

    if 1/7th of the workers got fired for falsifying forms then is it possible 1/7th of the registration (or more) is false? Clark country includes cities Las Vegas, Henderson, Boulder and other smaller cities and communities.

    Democrats (total registered) in Clark County

    9/07 355,674
    9/08 441,451
    net gain 86,000 new registrations (dems)

    by comparison (total registered) Republicans in Clark County

    9/07 291,953
    9/08 315,870
    net gain 24,000 new registrations (reps)

    How many of these registrations are false???

    can you say nearly 7,000? thats a low estimate.

    One worker filled out 10 registrations for the same person.

  344. only he will use Imperial Vodka.
    ——————————————
    Emjay-cant afford it anymore after the fall. I am developing an acquired taste for moonshine.
    Dont knock it until you have tried it. Besides the price is right.

  345. Adoption is a venerated social institution. The object of this generous impulse will vary from one individual to the next. Some people adopt children and give them the home their real parents did not provide. Some people adopt stray dogs and cats and they bring great happiness to their lives. Some people adopt highways, clean them up, plant flowers by the roadside which are a great source of pride to the community.

    Barack Obama believes in adoption as well. The object of his affection is terrorists. And why not if you think about it. Just because they blow up buildings in Washington DC, form organizations that kill policemen in Boston, advocate the annihation of our one real ally in the middle east and slaughter Christians in Kenya does not mean we should be intolerant or worse racist. After all even the meanest creature deserves a second chaunce. Just one more reason to believe in Obama: hope, change, revolution forever.

  346. wbboei

    here is the full 21 minutes, from when our girl is introduced until she introduces the honoree–yesterday, Eleanor Roosevelt Symposium:

    h t t p: / /w w w. youtube.com/watch?v=kdEXSzuUS4c

    The soup is, believe it or not, better for having cooled down and being reheated.

  347. Thanks emjay. Talk to you tomorrow.

    I have been very critical of McCain’s debate peformance last night. So many missed opportunities to go after the fraud–lost victories.

    Emjay had a terrific insight on this that I thought I might share. She noted a coldness between McCain and Bambi which filled the air. Bambi affected his most obnoxious megalmaniacal pose nose in the air, the first lady of hate managed to snub Cindy McCain, and McCain left immediately after the debate while Bambi luxuriated in the presence of big media whore. So what gives?

    Well, Emjay suggested the possibility that McCain does not like being called a liar, and may well have told bambi that. It is a small matter of personal honor–like when McCain refused an offer of early release from the Hanoi Hilton if he betrayed his country.

    I think he is being far too tough on poor little bambi. After all, why would bambi care about an archane concept like duty, honor, country. The only thing he is concerned about is what is in it for me. Unfortunatley there are plenty of dimocrats who agree with him.

  348. Joe Camp, a quality control manager for ACORN in Las Vegas, said at least 50 of 700 paid workers were fired during the large drive for falsifying voter registration forms. Camp said about 1,400 suspicious or duplicated forms were given to county officials.
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    Quality control my ass. How does it happen that “at least 50” falsify voter registration forms? I suppose there is an incentive if they are paid on a piecework basis. But I find it hard to believe that at least 50 would falsify voter registration form on their own volition. My guess is they were indirectly encouraged to do this but not get caught. If they are caught then and only then are they fired. This has happened in other states as well. It is sub rosa policy and they are trained accordingly. Fortunately they were stupid.

  349. I will summon the courage to watch it. I prefer to remember her as she was on the night of the South Dakota primary-beautiful brilliant Evita- or as Rendell said a brilliant sophisticated populist who gave real hope to millions of invisible Americans. I must have a bottle of that Imperia left somewhere. If not moonshine will do.

  350. The democratic governor of our state is a strong supporter of Obama. Hosted an event for first lady of hate a few months back. To the best of my knowledge information and belief she was the first state official to support Bambi over Hillary. Since then I have had it in for her.

    She is in a tight race with a republican challenger. She gave a huge tax break to Indian tribes and received large political contributions from those tribes in the same time frame which warrants an inference that one was done in exchange for the other. She has done a poor job of managing the states growth and its transportation system both roads and waterways. I could go on and on.

    The point is she is dead even in the external polls and 5 down in the internals according to what I have heard. Because she supported Obama over Hillary she really needs to go. I am doing what little I can to bring good government to our state in this election starting with her.

  351. Narrative-wise, President Palin may have some effect there.
    ——————————————
    Amen turndown. But if there is any way to get Hillary in there first we would all be much happier. But as I said before the powers that be in the party plus bambi present real obstacles. In addition there is the problem of tempus fugit, and our youth obsessed culture–which was the other factor I forgot to mention.

  352. wbboei
    who knows what prompts the miscreants to act asw they do. The problem predates bots, but I wouldn’t put it past one.
    The article in part states:

    ” Users who follow an e-mail pointing them to one of the pages would see an error message that claims the video they want won’t play without installing new software first. That error message includes a link the hacker has provided to a malicious program, which delivers a virus.”

    Just thought as their are so many Youtube videos posted that I’d relay info.

  353. Morris memo to McCain–for your eyes only. M and I have been telling them this as well but they have not listened.
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    John McCain, in the current campaign, is too scattershot, one day hitting Barack Obama for his Chicago political connections and then accusing him of vapid celebrity the next. It is only when the negative campaign paints a consistent picture that it can work.

    Some political consultants, including most Republicans, treat positive advertisements like the overture before the show begins, marking time until the real campaign starts and the negatives begin to hit. That’s wrong.

    Positive ads that explain a program, develop a theme, or spell out hot-button issues are still the most effective communications in politics. But negative ads work and have their place.

    They are how the voters find truth in a morass of claims and counterclaims. With much of the media oriented toward the left or the right, negative ads are often the only way voters can penetrate the claims of the various campaigns and get the facts.

    Voters always tell pollsters that they hate negative ads, but politicians continue to run them. That’s because the same polls show that they work. In a world with flawed politicians, we need negative ads; otherwise, we won’t know candidates’ defects until it’s too late.

  354. who knows what prompts the miscreants to act asw they do. The problem predates bots, but I wouldn’t put it past one.
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    Henry- I wonder if we will get more insight into this perverse mindset when the criminal case against the tennessee blogger who broke into Palins private emails goes to trial. I am reasonable sure the defense will try plead not guilty by reason of insanity-and produce expert testimony.

  355. After reading the post from about 5 pm, you guys really have me more scared of the comie bunch of koolaid heads Obama calls his supporters. OMG, will the threats and malicious lies about Hillary, Bill, McCain and Cindy ever stop???? How the FUCK did these people ever get to a place in the country where they could run for an office as high as POTUS??

  356. wbboei
    Do you now what the charge is? I should hope that breaking into a sitting governors email account would be pretty serious.

  357. Sorry for the profanity, but I will be glad when this election is over and we can all salvage what is left of our country and go on. This is purely a power struggle and the American middle class is being held hostage.
    I wonder somehow if Hillary and Bill feel much the same way??
    I did watch the debate for about 5 minutes and it looked like the two senators hated each other and McCain was desparately trying to hold his temper down. I am sure Bambi would like to provoke John into to a tirade on National TV, but John is too smart for that. That is what I think has happened and of coarse I think they are threatening civil unrest and civil disobedience if Obama does not get elected. All the more reason to defeat him!

  358. confloyd Says:
    October 9th, 2008 at 1:52 am

    ” That is what I think has happened and of coarse I think they are threatening civil unrest and civil disobedience if Obama does not get elected. All the more reason to defeat him!”
    ***********
    A friend who teaches in an inner-city school tells me that there will be “civil unrest” win or lose. It will be either happy or angry “civil unrest”. She is planning to take a paid vacation day for Nov. 5.

  359. confloyd – I too wish for a speedy end but I have been very worried for nearly a decade now about something that is on the brink of disaster.

    We are about to have an election in which a near majority will not believe the results. Florida in 2000, Ohio in 2004 and now everywhere. We are using computers which everyone believes can be fixed and which can’t be checked. We have an organization that has been prosecuted over and over and is still getting massive amounts of money (I thought O was their lawyer.)

    But that aside, nobody is paying attention, cleaning it up, or moving to stop this.

    When the public, already furious at the economic mess, fueled by AIG a**es spending 500K on a weekend, and misinformed by pollsters and the MSM, believes that it has been defrauded in the election, hell may break loose. And it is not easily repaired.

    It’s like pregnancy. It’s not ‘sort of’ or ‘mostly’. We either have free and fair elections or we do not. Want to put it to a vote? And if they aren’t fair, what exactly do we have here?

  360. If anyone is still awake, HillBuzz just posted that per Politico, the McCain campaign has a HUGE announcement in the morning. All a campaign aide was instructed to say was “We’ll have something to talk about…”

    politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/McCain_camp_making_news_in_the_morning.html#comments

  361. Also, HillBuzz is stating that Patrick Fitzgerald is investigating ACORN and SoetorObama campaign for RICO violations. This is a VERY interesting read:

    hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/great-merciful-zeus-tomorrow-could-be-the-start-of-fitzmas-rumor-in-chicago-is-patrick-fitzgerald-is-investigating-acorn-and-soetorobama-campaign-for-rico-violations/

  362. For those who have been in a cave the past year, Fitzgerald is the legendary prosecutor in charge of the Rezko case in Chicago right now.

    Admin, this could be huge.

  363. HillGuy Says:
    October 9th, 2008 at 2:50 am

    For those who have been in a cave the past year, Fitzgerald is the legendary prosecutor in charge of the Rezko case in Chicago right now.
    Admin, this could be huge.
    **************
    Tony Rezko is also talking..providing enough good stuff to Fitz, that the prosecuters are asking that his sentencing be delayed indefinitly. Obama wins Nov 4 and Fitz indicts him for multiple felonies before 01/20/09..then what happens???

  364. SHV, I don’t believe BO will win, but if (god forbid) that does happens, we will probably have a President Biden…?

  365. We need to take elections seriously.

    We need conforming laws state to state. We need machines that work as well as ATM machines. We could vote by computer, phone, or other machine but not this mess we’ve got now. We need a paper trail. We probably need weekend voting or 24 hour voting.

    If banks don’t say that their ATMs are “pretty close” or “unverifiable” or “in the ballpark” why should our secs of state? They’re only dealing in money — elections deal with this country. We are passing banana republics and heading for a Soviet idea of elections. Or Alice in Wonderland: Outcome first – election later.

  366. hillbuzz has said many things that have proven untrue to say the least. i dont hold my breath. i dont thin obama would be indicted tommorrw or something. with the way things are going obama is very likely to win-and then indicted? the country would be in a serious crisis fitzgerald was rumored to go after dick cheney etc and it didnt happen. he is very thorough. he doesnt act unless he has for sure goods. so lets see

  367. wbboei Says:
    td said: Narrative-wise, President Palin may have some effect there.
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    Amen turndown. But if there is any way to get Hillary in there first we would all be much happier.
    ==========

    McCain/Palin 2008
    Palin vs Hillary 2012

    As admin said … wouldn’t that make the bots explode. Two women running against each other for President. There’s narrative for you.

  368. wbboei and others,

    I’m not sure who I’m agreeing with here, but imo the negatives about Obama need pictures, tapes, sound, photos, graphs, cites. Ie paid ads. Just to speak it at a debate would have been a waste of debate time. Debate time is for the public to get exposure to McCain, see how he performs, get acquainted with him. Cluttering that up

  369. Cluttering that up with negative accusations where no proof can be given, would have been quite a waste. We need debate for the positive side of a candidate (plus some sparring).

  370. When I registered to vote in PA back in January. I went into the Allegheney County Elections Office and did it in person. I told the woman as I was filling it out that I couldn’t remember the precinct where I was registered in Manhattan. She said it didn’t matter as long as I had not been registered in PA in 5 or 10 years(can’t remember which). She said they didn’t share the info with New York.

  371. Bribes paid for Corsi to escape from Kenya (Has documents linking Obama to Raila Odinga)

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77386

    LONDON – Bribes totaling thousands of dollars were paid to facilitate WND senior staff reporter Jerome Corsi’s departure from Kenya after immigration authorities there detained him and his publicist – holding them under armed guard and without food – to prevent Corsi from holding a news conference revealing what he had discovered about Barack Obama’s controversial ties in the African nation.

    **SNIP**

    Corsi was set to show Obama and Odinga have been in direct contact since the senator’s visit to Kenya in 2006. He was to claim Obama advised Odinga on campaign strategy and helped him raise money in the U.S. for the Kenya presidential campaign.

    Corsi was to report Odinga’s 2007 presidential campaign strategy called for exploiting anti-Kikuyu tribal sentiments, claiming victory and charging voter fraud even if the campaign knew the election had been legitimately lost. Odinga, Corsi said, also was willing to fan the flames of ethnic tribal tensions and use violence as a last resort by calling for mass action that led to the destruction of properties, injuries, loss of life and the displacement of over 500,000 Kenyans. The purpose was to compel the Electoral Commission of Kenya to declare him the winner or enable him to declare himself the winner by force.

    **SNIP**

    Corsi said Obama remained in active phone contact with Odinga through the New Hampshire Democratic Party primary in January. The Illinois senator continued to support Odinga, he said, turning a blind eye to an agreement signed with Muslims and the post-election violence instigated as part of the campaign strategy.

  372. Missouri, here we go again, ACORN

    kezi.com/news/national/52779

    Officials in Missouri, a hard-fought jewel in the presidential race, are sifting through possibly hundreds of questionable or duplicate voter-registration forms submitted by an advocacy group that has been accused of election fraud in other states.

    Charlene Davis, co-director of the election board in Jackson County, where Kansas City is, said the fraudulent registration forms came from the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN. She said they were bogging down work Wednesday, the final day Missourians could register to vote.]

    Is it possible that the republicans here could have a case of having all acorn registrations thrown out if they took this to court.

  373. its good afternon here, i dont know Henry, sling a handbag and hit half a dozen possibilities, but if the FBI open a huge investigation into Acorn, they can effectively shut them down as long as they want.

    Maybe they are about to be indicted, if they do, there goes the community organizer angle.

    Could be Odinga, maybe huge developments in that. Somethings amiss if the campaign is in full glee.

  374. Just turned on Fox & Friends. They said that the McCain people will be on this morning with Big news and they would immediately get a response from the Obama campaign.

    Meanwhile, while we wait they are FURIOUS about Acorn and are hyping the Acorn story big time…..

  375. morning guys

    i am hoping whatever breaking news McCain has this AM is positive! JMHO.

    btw – FOX is hot on the entire acorn story. hopefully those registrations will be thrown out. my fear is, how many phony early registrations and votes made it in under the wire?

    off to work.. 🙁

  376. HOW ACORN GOT ME INTO VOTE SCAM

    This is going to be huge
    http://www.nypost.com/seven/10092008/news/politics/nuts__132771.htm

    CLEVELAND – Two Ohio voters, including Domino’s pizza worker Christopher Barkley , claimed yesterday that they were hounded by the community-activist group ACORN to register to vote several times, even though they made it clear they’d already signed up.

    Barkley estimated he’d registered to vote “10 to 15” times after canvassers for ACORN, whose political wing has endorsed Barack Obama, relentlessly pursued him and others.

    Claims such as his have sparked election officials to probe ACORN.

    “I kept getting approached by folks who asked me to register,” Barkley said. “They’d ask me if I was registered. I’d say yes, and they’d ask me to do it [register] again.

    “Some of them were getting paid to collect names. That was their sob story, and I bought it,” he said.

    Barkley is one of at least three people who have been subpoenaed by the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections as part of a wider inquiry into possible voter fraud by ACORN. The group seeks to register low-income voters, who skew overwhelmingly Democratic.

    “You can tell them you’re registered as many times as you want – they do not care,” said Lateala Goins, 21, who was subpoenaed.

    “They will follow you to the buses, they will follow you home, it does not matter,” she told The Post.

    She added that she never put down an address on any of the registration forms, just her name.

    A third subpoenaed voter, Freddie Johnson, 19, filled out registration cards 72 times over 18 months, officials said.

  377. Moononpluto
    what leads me to believe it may be something significant was McCain’s saying something along the lines of “you don’t announce to your enemies what you plan on doing but carry a big stick”
    I thought it was pretty savvy of him to reveal his mortgage plan at the debate without any fanfare.

  378. Quinn & Rose this morning announced that US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald (yes, THAT Peter Fitzgerald) is bringing a RICO (racketeering and corruption) case against ACORN. Accusations involve mass voter fraud and allegations brought by the Clinton Campaign against them as well.

  379. Wow, they are airing the new Ayers ad, now thats taking the gloves off.

    “This is a guy that lives in the neighbourhood”

  380. Henry, i suspect its like this, you light a bonfire at the bottom from about 8 different sides, then pour on some gasoline and then whoomph, up she goes.

  381. I remind you all every day and every new revelations of the Hustler and his cohorts to steal the election and take over what remains of our waning democracy.

    ” TO THINK WE COULD HAVE HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON ”

    By ABM90

  382. Good morning, Moonpluto.

    O’, so relieved i can get on 44 again! i was having withdrawal paings yesterday.

    Interesting from hillbuzz.

    hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/great-merciful-zeus-tomorrow-could-be-the-start-of-fitzmas-rumor-in-chicago-is-patrick-fitzgerald-is-investigating-acorn-and-soetorobama-campaign-for-rico-violations/

  383. Sherrif threatend with violating the hatch act for daring to utter BO’s middle name, hussein.
    WTF?????
    “… When Sheriff Scott took the stage, he said that the world had three types of people, “the ones who make things happen, the ones who watch what happens and the ones who wonder what happened. Let’s leave Barack Hussein Obama wondering what happened.” That was it.”
    http://www.winknews.com/home/video/30552554.html?video=pop&t=a
    Meanwhile and unfortunately for Sheriff Scott, his troubles aren’t over. Aside from all of the grief he is getting for uttering “The One’s” full name, he was wearing his sheriff costume when he did it. So now the government is all over his backside for violating the Hatch Act.

  384. Sherrif threatend with violating the hatch act for daring to utter BO’s middle name, hussein.
    WTF?????
    “… When Sheriff Scott took the stage, he said that the world had three types of people, “the ones who make things happen, the ones who watch what happens and the ones who wonder what happened. Let’s leave Barack Hussein Obama wondering what happened.” That was it.”
    http://www.winknews.com/home/video/30552554.html?video=pop&t=a
    Meanwhile and unfortunately for Sheriff Scott, his troubles aren’t over. Aside from all of the grief he is getting for uttering “The One’s” full name, he was wearing his sheriff costume when he did it. So now the government is all over his backside for violating the Hatch Act.

  385. WOW!

    Ken Blackwell of ohio saying ACORN is running a nationwide voter registraion fraud ring and the credibility of democracy hinges on investigating ACORN.
    Obama team is deeply invested in ACORN operation and is hesitent to invesigate.

    Can’t beleive Blackwell came out with this.
    OTOH – i haven’t heard anything else earth shattering on Fox today. moon, what were you referring to?

  386. WOW!

    Ken Blackwell of ohio saying ACORN is running a nationwide voter registraion fraud ring and the credibility of democracy hinges on investigating ACORN.
    Obama team is deeply invested in ACORN operation and is hesitent to invesigate.

    Can’t beleive Blackwell came out with this.
    OTOH – i haven’t heard anything else earth shattering on Fox today. moon, what were you referring to?

  387. That sheriff thing is insane. So, Obamabot attorney generals and sheriffs can threaten the power of the state to PROSECUTE people who smear Obama, and that is fine, but a McCain sheriff uses his middle name, and he is a violator of his office?

  388. henry, the next post up says the “news” is the new Ayers ad.


    That “news” in the morning
    Sure enough, it’s Bill Ayers.

    The McCain campaign is launching a web ad accusing Obama of trying to hide his ties to the 60s-era radical.

    “Too risky for America,” the ad concludes.

    The idea here is to keep Ayers in the mix without spending precious dollars to put real points behind it on TV. Republicans know that cable TV stations will play the spot for free, regardless of it being a web ad.

  389. I didn’t know what the hatch Act was.
    For others who are curious:

    The Hatch Act of 1939 is a United States federal law whose main provision is to prohibit federal employees (civil servants) from engaging in partisan political activity. Named after Senator Carl Hatch of New Mexico, the law was officially known as An Act to Prevent Pernicious Political Activities.

  390. About Ohio
    600,000 new registrants in this cycle?

    reporting numbers higher than rove said –
    says rove was wrong
    sat – monday board of election downtown cinccinnatti had a line out the door and registrants across state 20,000 voters but that doesn’t take into account acorn’s previous efforts
    one county has 100,000 votes who will vote absentee
    600,000 more registered voters in ohio is suspicious
    whose side is rove on? he said ony 7,000 were registered.

  391. basil, Rove was talking about those who registered and voted in the same day. The guy on fox who said 600,000 was total new registrants and includes the ACORN mess. Rove was only looking at 3 counties too, not the entire state, and not sure if he included the weekend, he may have thought it ended Friday.

  392. There needs to be a better way for voter registration. Check and balances. This is nothing but a sham. This country is a JOKE

  393. Well I listenned to almost the entire fox and friends this morning hoping for a knockout punch. Morning talk show hosts annoy the hell out of me.

  394. Pollster: Don’t believe the Dem hype

    By Joe Dwinell & Jessica Fargen | Wednesday, October 8, 2008 | http://www.bostonherald.com | 2008 Pres. Campaign
    The presidential race is still too close to call and could come down to the very last weekend before voters decide if they like or distrust Barack Obama, a national pollster predicts.

    “I don’t think Obama has closed the deal yet,” pollster John Zogby told the Herald yesterday.

    Zogby’s latest poll, released yesterday in conjunction with C-Span and Reuters, shows Obama and John McCain in a statistical dead heat, with the Illinois Democrat up 48-45 percent.

    Zogby said the race mirrors the 1980 election, when voters didn’t embrace Ronald Reagan over then-President Jimmy Carter until just days before the election.

    “The Sunday before the election the dam burst,” Zogby said of the 1980 tilt. “That’s when voters determined they were comfortable with Reagan.”

    Now voters are wrestling with two senators with opposite resumes – Obama, at 47, the unknown, and the established 72-year-old McCain.

    Zogby said he’s still hearing from moderates and non-partisan voters – what he calls “the big middle” – who are still shopping for a candidate.

    “It still can break one way or the other,” Zogby says.
    The Numbers

    The three-day survey polled 1,220 likely voters – about 400 people a day. Zogby will continuously poll right up until the November election.

    The latest poll numbers may reflect the bump that McCain received after his running mate, Alaskan Gov. Sarah Palin sparred with Obama’s running mate, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden during the first and only vice presidential debate last week.

    The poll shows that the two White House contenders have no problem attracting support from their own parties.

    Obama is winning 84 percent of the Democratic Party support and McCain has 85 percent of the GOP support, but Obama has the edge among sought-after Independent voters.

    He leads McCain among independents, 48 percent to 39 percent, according to the poll.

    Obama also has support from a slightly higher percent of conservative voters than McCain gets from liberal voters, but the advantage is small, according to the poll.

    Pollsters surveyed 1,220 likely voters and asked approximately 39 questions. The margin of error is plus or minus 2.9 percentage points.

    =====
    I’m not sure I believe Obama has more conservatives than McCain has dems. I wonder too if a lot of dems are either going to sit out or vote 3rd party.

  395. Quinn & Rose this morning announced that US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald (yes, THAT Peter Fitzgerald) is bringing a RICO (racketeering and corruption) case against ACORN. Accusations involve mass voter fraud and allegations brought by the Clinton Campaign against them as well.
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    President Obama will have to sharpen his pardoning pen. Its gonna get alot of use in the first thirty days. His innauguation speech has been leaked to the press by Axelrod. The closing sentence reads as follows: what good is power if you dont abuse it?

  396. Now is the time for our justice dept. to step up and suspend our election process for as far as i can remember the first time in our history.We are in the midst of an endless war,a financial crisis that is destroying our economy and a presidential campaign that is in the grasp of revolutionaries led by strange and sinister unknown anarchists.Hitler was a picker in his slow and sinister takeover of Germany.Barack Hussein Obama has entered the scene and with millions in funds and support from our enemies that would destroy all that we hve accomplished to promote freedom and stability in this world.He is the enemy and he must be stopped immediately and Acorn votes must be nullified.This is civil war folks and we all have an interest in our future and that of the world around us.A snake has many heads and they must all be exposed and obliterated.Demand more immediate action from our government The GE is just days away and we cannot afford to waste even a minute or this monsterous threat to our country will take over and chaos will follow.

    ” TO THINK WE COULD HAVE HAD HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON ”

    By ABM90

  397. you don’t announce to your enemies what you plan on doing but carry a big stick”
    —————————————————————–
    Its High Noon John.

    Do you really intend to go after him?

    Or are you just gonna take off the boxing gloves again?

    Like I told one of his people yesterday: get it done.

  398. I think the new Ayers ad was the big news. Its old news to us but we follow this thing closely. It might not be to everyone else.

  399. Now is the time for our justice dept. to step up and suspend our election process for as far as i can remember the first time in our history.
    ————————————————————
    ABM 90: That is not an implausible scenario, depending on the size and scope of the fraud. In my state two years ago ACORN submitted 1700 voter registrations. All but six of them were fraudent. Seems the culprits sat in the public library and pulled their names out of the phone book. One sat at home and made up names while smoking marijuana. Seven were charged, one went to jail and the head of the local ACORN chapter was shocked shocked there was fraud going on, like Captain Renau in the movie Casa Blanka. Why is it in our movie hamhanded thugs get caught red handed offer implaubable excuses and big media tells us to believe them it is all a simple misunderstanding. If I did not know better I might thing Big Media was more than a little corrupt.
    . If there is a terroist link here–and I am not saying there is–but if there is that could require a delay pending the introduction of safegards–all I am saying is it is not implausible. How likely I cannot say.

  400. The only reason Acorn, Obama, and his allies are yelling race, is because they got caught! They were hoping they could lie and cheat their way into the WH because their egos would shrivel if their wannabe wunderkind does not achieve is limited potential.

    I’m hoping that the only thing they all achieve is a one-way ticket to prison.

  401. The only reason Acorn, Obama, and his allies are yelling race, is because they got caught! They were hoping they could lie and cheat their way into the WH because their egos would shrivel if their wannabe wunderkind does not achieve his limited potential.

    I’m hoping that the only thing they all achieve is a one-way ticket to prison.

  402. Is ACORN getting this much attention on all the other channels? Or just fox? I don’t watch any other news channel. Can’t stomach it.

  403. NRA endorsed McCain/Palin. Historically every candidate they have ever endorsed has won. Hopefully that’s a good omen.

  404. Is ACORN getting this much attention on all the other channels? Or just fox? I don’t watch any other news channel. Can’t stomach itl
    ————————————————————-
    they have known about it because it was reported to them as far back as the Texas primary–see Pacific John blog-if it has not been taken down. They have simply covered it up. Your question is a good one because if they are not reporting on it now, they are doubly gulity. Standard practice on all other stories of this importance is one station breaks the story but all of them end up reporting on it shortly thereafter. In this case, if they do report it they will try to minimize its importance.

  405. Sen. Thune on Fox now… demanding that federal funding for ACORN be suspended…

    About time, I’m hearing many Senators are today asking for Acorns funding to be suspended and investigated, looks like they got wind that Acorn is about to be slammed.

  406. Sen. Thune on Fox now… demanding that federal funding for ACORN be suspended…

    About time, I’m hearing many Senators are today asking for Acorns funding to be suspended and investigated, looks like they got wind that Acorn is about to be slammed.
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    I would like to see the congressmen who pushed for inclusion of ACORN in what was supposed to be a bailout bill be publicly shamed and investigated for what they had reason to know was going on. They are co-conspirators in some case and direct beneficiaries in others.

  407. if barack is denying any affliation with ACORN now his bots did not get around to scrubbing this one fast enough. It is from a Pittsburg Tribune january 14, 2007. Here is the relevant excerpt:
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    But back in Chicago, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is more important than Iraq or Washington. ACORN and its associated Midwest Academy, both founded in the 1970s, continue to train and mobilize activists throughout the country, often using them to manipulate public opinion through “direct action.” It’s sometimes a code for illegal activities.

    Prior to law school, Barack Obama worked as an organizer for their affiliates in New York and Chicago. He always has been an ACORN person — meeting and working with them to advance their causes. Through his membership on the board of the Woods Fund for Chicago and his friendship with Teresa Heinz Kerry, Obama has helped ensure that they remain funded well.

    Since he graduated from law school, Obama’s work with ACORN and the Midwest Academy has ranged from training and fundraising, to legal representation and promoting their work.

  408. wbboei,

    no matter what happens now, the vote is tarnished. If Obama succeeds it will be the worst thing ever, but it will also be a tainted win with many shaking their heads and mocking it.

  409. McCain Endorsed by Two Cleveland Browns

    While campaigning in Strongsville, Ohio, Sen. John McCain trotted out two of the most popular players for the Cleveland Browns to praise his candidacy, according to a report in the Washington Post.

    Brady Quinn, a quarterback for the team, and Joe Thomas, a left tackle, smiled and waved with the candidate as a wall of noise erupted from the assembled crowd.

    “Too often we label people heroes. Get caught up in the moment. But tonight, we have a real hero amongst us,” Quinn said in endorsing McCain. “I believe Sen. McCain is a strong role model…He never quit. That’s a lesson we can all learn from.”

    The crowd roared, but, according to the report in the Washington Post, it was unclear where the crowd was directing its enthusiasm.

    One woman in the crowd yelled, “You’re Hot!” Another screamed, “Brady, I’m your lady!”

    newsmax.com/insidecover/McCain_Endorsed_browns/2008/10/08/138714.html

  410. wbboie” I agree with your comments an I do hope that the AG and the entire might of The Justice Dept.must be throuwn into the pursuit and prosecition of the entire Acorn operation and its operatives and yes their leader mentor and legal adviser BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.Our stupid and day dreaming citizens black or white must be rooted out amd prosecuted to the full extent of our laws against voter fraud.I am willing to contribute to any cost that will put these traitors in federal prisons.The ride with BO has led these ignorant followers to the edge of the cliff and the cell doors are ready to open.Amnesty should be offered to these miserable co- conspiritors if they return the bribes they received from Acorn and BO “Community Organizers”and sign a confession of guilt and fraud.Better to put a hold on a presidential election thant to turn our great country over to an enemy of questionable character birth place and funding sources.
    This country can wait for this evil operation to be fully exposed and justice be swift and severe.How did all this come about? The answer is ” The MSM Made Them DO It “.

    “TO THINK WE COULD HAVE HAD HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON”

    AND WE WILL IF WE FIGHT FOR HER….BY ABM90

  411. Did anyone watch Hannity’s post-debate interview with McCain and Palin?

    I thought is was very well done and the questions were much more relevant than those posed by Gibson and Couric.

  412. A PUMA said something, using a tactic from the Alinsky method, and that was a new name for Bots:

    FOOLS = Friends-of-Obama-Online = FOOLS

    FOOLS was made bolded. So, from this day forward I will call them FOOLS and watch the worms squirm.

    I emailed the head PUMA and suggested a massive prowl for demanding a SUSPENSION of the election until all the fraud was routed, especially by ACORN.

    …and to think we could have had Hillary.

  413. Somewhere I saw this morning [Fox??] that ACORN was using as an excuse that the Voter Registration Boards should have essentailly been more diligent in their routing out fraudulent registrations and votes. That it was the fault of these boards, in every county/township/parish to have been so lax. I saw prosecutre them all; the only thing is that would take time and would not happen in time for this election date.
    So, perhaps use some of nObama and his FOOLS tactics and embarrass them to death publicly and often; make their names and faces mudd [remember him?]
    We can do it.

  414. FYI: in Alabama the Attorney General was yelling about voter fraud in a number of counties in the primary [where nObama won, by winning the south of the state – the smart and alive people in the northern part of the state voted for our girl Hillary]. It was reported especially prevalent in the counties south and surrounding Birmingham, the heavily AA represented counties, and there were thousands of people registering from the cemeteries – criminal, no doubt about it – and ACORN was the group doing it along with associated groups.

  415. ShortTermer,

    So basically Acorn takes no responsibility for hiring these morons? They take no responsibility for training them? Are they saying that these morons decided for themselves to corrupt the system?

    Methinks something is rotten in Denmark here! (with apologies to the Danes)

  416. debbie Says:

    October 9th, 2008 at 11:03 am
    I wonder if the unsuspecting members of SEIU know their union dues are going to ACORN
    ——————————————–
    Andy Stern is well aware of it.

  417. Did anyone watch Hannity’s post-debate interview with McCain and Palin?
    ====
    Its on line on Foxnews under Hannity and Colmes in case anyone wants to see it.

  418. interesting tidbit

    In 2004, President Bush and Democratic Sen. John Kerry didn’t spend a penny on TV advertising in Indiana. No one doubted that the state would go Republican. But right now, Indiana is barely tilting toward Sen. John McCain. Obama is outspending McCain on television there by a margin of 20-to-1.
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95531831&ft=1&f=1012
    ____
    See what all that money will buy you…

    A WISH-TV Indiana poll found Obama and McCain each supported by 46 percent of likely voters, with 5 percent undecided and 3 percent saying they favored another candidate.

    http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081007/NEWS0502/810070393

  419. Foxnews has that Indianapolis has more people registered to vote that Indianapolis has people qualified to register. ACORN is there. I hope they get that straightened out.

  420. debbie Says:

    October 9th, 2008 at 11:21 am
    wbboei

    I was refering to the members that don’t have a clue what Stern is doing with their money
    ——————————————–
    sorry. my answer was non-responsive. The responsive answer is I suspect the answer is no–but there may be situations where their organizers have acted in concert with ACORN in political matters and even in employer targeted activities or corporate campaigns. In those cases the participants would know but I am skeptical that the membership at large would be aware of it. What do you think about it?

  421. Lin67: this is what we have been worrying about–a tainted election. I do not know what the legal standard is for postponing an election. I can tell you that in a union organizing setting if an employer commits serious unfair labor practices which undermine the laboratory conditions which are supposed to exist as a condition precedent to an NLRB election, a judicial officer can set the election aside and direct the employer to commence bargaining. Surely the legal standard applied in a public election setting should be no less rigourous–especially if it can be tied to the Obama campaign. I suspect the shredders are humming right about now. But in this case, there are too many people in the know. Poor bambi–everybody is picking on him.

  422. By the way…WELCOME ABOARD PAMinPA!!

    Hope we weren’t too remiss in welcoming you to Big Pink. We tend to get really focused here, especially when news is flying left and right. Sometimes you actually have to scream to get anyone’s attention.

    Keep jumping in, though. It’s worth it.

    By the way, thanks for the old Super Predator link. I saved it to my hard drive along with alot of the other 2001 I’ve been finding. 🙂

    P.S. if you post a link with the h t t p / / in front of it, you’re post won’t show up. So just take that off when you post a link. We all know to add it.

  423. wbboei

    I really do think helping workers and protecting them from abuses is very important. Thats why unions are a good thing.

    On the flip side what I am concerned about is the “methods” used to recruit new members.

    It’s a tough fight out there with anti-union bosses and one might like to know..our tax dollars are used by government to bust unions and fight worker organizing…this is where I draw the line. My tax dollars should be off limits.

  424. If I were asked to decide the issue I would say a tainted vote does not confer a legitimate madate to govern–especially where the benefit of the fraud inures to a candidate who was previously an active member of the organization who committed it. In that case, procedural safeguards and a do-over election would be warranted. The powers that be had better get this staightened out or the elites in this country may find themselves in big trouble.

  425. I really do think helping workers and protecting them from abuses is very important. Thats why unions are a good thing.

    On the flip side what I am concerned about is the “methods” used to recruit new members.

    It’s a tough fight out there with anti-union bosses and one might like to know..our tax dollars are used by government to bust unions and fight worker organizing…this is where I draw the line. My tax dollars should be off limits.
    ——————————————-
    I am pro-union myself Debbie, but I have also seen many of the abuses which occur. I draw the line with organizations like ACORN which should not be financed with public money, any more than they should be used to promote union busting or my great Satan–the export of US jobs.

  426. McCain Health Care Plan the Better One…

    online.wsj.com/article/SB122343823408914411.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_mostpop

  427. Idunn Says:

    October 8th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
    Project Vote is a branch of ACORN. Just as I thought.

    Never worked for ACORN, Barry? You betcha. (wink)
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Project Vote. If it works the way we think Obama wants it to, they could name it “Project Dead Voter”.

    I also like the way ACORN “empowers” “young people” to vote; like the registration that had to be discarded because the “27 year old woman” turned out to be a 7 year old girl.

    I could just imagine….
    “I like Obama because he gave me candy. He said the old mean man would try to take away my candy. They said that after voting, we’d all go to the zoo”.

  428. Women Voters Prefer Hillary Clinton to Sarah Palin in 2012 By a 2-to-1 Margin
    National Poll Finds Broad Support for Hillary On Politics, ‘Trust,’ ‘Role Model’ and Other Values
    ——————————————–
    Did we hear much about this image of Hillary in the primaries or was it suppressed by big media in there and promoted here in order to support bambi? Dumb question-withdrawn/

  429. The voter fraud seems to be widespread, and it must be deeper than anyone suspects. I think, they are just scratching the surface.

  430. wbboei,

    I think people in general are starting to wake up to the fact that they really erred in throwing Hillary out of the race. It’s only Obama’s cult that still thinks he is the messiah and can do no wrong. I pray that polls or no polls, the people of America come through in November and vote the right delegate into the WH.

  431. debbie Says:

    October 9th, 2008 at 11:25 am
    interesting tidbit

    In 2004, President Bush and Democratic Sen. John Kerry didn’t spend a penny on TV advertising in Indiana. No one doubted that the state would go Republican. But right now, Indiana is barely tilting toward Sen. John McCain. Obama is outspending McCain on television there by a margin of 20-to-1.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    Seems like McCain is doing the “rope-a-dope”, let your opponent waste tons of energy.

    As for polls, I wonder how close “close” is?

    And how many dead voters suddenly feel like voting?

  432. I’m preaching to the choir here I know, but,

    1 vote could change this election…will that one be from this ACORN debacle?

  433. kinda jumbled but…this time last year

    Zogby (1223 LV) 10/9 – 10/11 45% 45% 2% TIE
    CBS News (760 LV) 10/9 – 10/11 48% 45% 2% Bush +3
    ICR (763 LV) 10/9 – 10/11 48% 43% 2% Bush +5
    CNN/USAT/Gallup (793 LV) 10/9 – 10/10 48% 49% 1% Kerry +1
    Time (886 LV w/leaners) 10/6 – 10/7 46% 45% 4% Bush +1
    GW/Battleground (1250 LV) 10/3 – 10/7 49% 46% 0% Bush +3
    AP/Ipsos (944 LV) 10/4 – 10/6 46% 50% 2% Kerry +4
    Marist (642 LV) 10/4 – 10/5 49% 46% 1% Bush +3
    Fox News (1000 LV) 10/3 – 10/4 47% 45% 1% Bush +2
    ICR (762 LV) 10/1 – 10/5 51% 45% 2% Bush +6

  434. Good Morning all

    I am a trained Voter register for my State. During my training it said that I could register someone, and I did not have to ask for any identification.

    I am a Dem, but I believe that making sure you are the person you are registering as, and matching the address is not too much to ask.

    Also here you do not have to show identification to vote, just say you are so and so, you don’t even have to show licenses or our voters card The Dems are in charge of voting here, and feel strongly you don’t have to make sure who is voting is the person on the list.

    I have to say that bothers me. I see nothing wrong with making sure the person has a right to vote once under that name and address.

    That is not restricting votes, that is just making sure that the vote is fair.

  435. Seems like McCain is doing the “rope-a-dope”, let your opponent waste tons of energy.
    —————————————
    Yes, but the key to the rope a dope move is you do finally get out of your crouched position, come off the ropes and start swinging. Whether McCain has that last part down or not remains to be seen. Strange because they do teach boxing at the Naval Academy.

  436. I could just imagine….
    “I like Obama because he gave me candy. He said the old mean man would try to take away my candy. They said that after voting, we’d all go to the zoo”.

    I could just imagine, say in Va. , ACORN workers offering homeless alsoholics $10 to vote for Obama.

    Oh wait…I don’t HAVE to imagine that, that actually happened.

  437. Zogby International’s 2004 predictions

    Electoral Votes

    Kerry
    311

    Bush
    213

    too close to call
    Nevada (5)

    too close to call
    Colorado (9)

    TODAY>>>>

    Obama/Biden 277
    221 Solid 56 Leaning
    McCain/Palin 163
    143 Solid 20 Leaning
    Toss Up 98
    98 Toss Up

    Will history repeat itself….I sure hope so……

  438. “Heckler Removed by Force from Indiana Obama Rally”
    http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-108454

    The messiah will tolerate no disent. If Obama becomes President, the Republicans will rue the day that they laid the foundation for a police state. Obama will not hesitate to all of the powers of the state to defend his ego.

  439. Debbie

    The 98 too close to call must be a really worry to the O and Dems. They are in worse shape than with Kerry, in a blow out year.

  440. what ayers’s wife said about the sharon tate murder.

    Ayers and Dohrn were there at the founding of the Weather Underground. At a 1969 “War Council” that helped launch the organization, Dohrn raised three fingers in a “fork salute” to Charles Manson, whom she proposed as a revolutionary inspiration. She went on to joke about Manson’s victims and dubbed them the “Tate Eight” after Sharon Tate, the pregnant actress whom members of the Manson tribe

    stabbed in the womb with a fork. “Dig it,” said Dohrn at the time. “First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!”
    Source:
    George Mason University’s History News Network

  441. one poster’s polling story.
    from nq

    We just moved back to CO and I registered as an Independent. I think that is the reason I got the call.

    Here is how it went – they called when my 10 month old was upset so I told them not right now. She said she just wanted a few questions and didn’t mind my son being upset. I said fine.

    She NEVER asked me WHO I supported. She asked this question first –

    1. Do you support lower taxes to help the economy recover. – of course, I said yes.

    2. Did I support our initial ‘invasion’ of Iraq. She emphasized that this wasn’t about the surge or supporting the troops now, just did I believe we should have been there in the first place. I said No, I didn’t really think now was the time to have gone in.

    At that point I asked her why she didn’t just ask me who I supported. She said that the polling company didn’t want partisanship they believed that a person’s opinion on the issues reveals who they will vote for.

    So I asked her who my answers revealed I would vote for.

    She said I was put in the supporting Obama category…………..

    What the hell. I told her NO, I am supporting McCain. She then said that because I wanted lower taxes I fit with Obama’s economic plan…LMAO and because I didn’t really thing we should have gone into Irag that I supported Obama’s foreign policy plan……..LMAO again (I am short on A$$ right now

  442. basil9 Says:

    October 9th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
    i don’t don’t know if this was posted byt everyone please READ!!!!!

    A woman is called by a BO supporter, says she thinks BO is a socialist and the next dat the Secret Service are at her door questioning her about death threats she mad against BO!!!!

    The police state is here!
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2100115/posts

    _________________________________________________________

    Is it any wonder that people lie to pollsters when asked who they plan on voting for?

    I’ve been saying for a while that if he is elected the USA will become a police state. God forbid anyone would ever protest President Obama. Like China they will never be seen or heard from again.

  443. anyone watching mccain/palin rally on fox right now???

    some old guy in the audiance is yelling on mic………I am really mad!!………and it’s not the economy!

    it’s the socialist that are taking over our country!!………..and it’s time for you and Sara to go get em!!

    and the CROWD GOES WILD!!!!!!

  444. SHV Says:

    October 9th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
    “Heckler Removed by Force from Indiana Obama Rally”
    http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-108454

    The messiah will tolerate no disent. If Obama becomes President, the Republicans will rue the day that they laid the foundation for a police state. Obama will not hesitate to all of the powers of the state to defend his ego.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Any investigation regarding Rezko will be quickly terminated. Patrick Fitzgerald will be asked to step aside as part of the normal “fresh start” that any new president does.

    Even in during the lame-duck period, I think Fitzgerald will face unseen pressures not to tarnish or take down the president-elect. So the voters must ensure that the president-elect on Nov 5th is not Oslimy.

  445. ok goodie!!!!

    Fox news just said they are going to get ahold of that guy and have him on the show to tell us more about why he’s mad
    saying they think he had more to say!!!!

    That man is about to become the new harriet christiansen!!!! 😀

  446. I’m starting to feel that it’s futile. Obama can’t be stopped. If he set Grandmother on fire on live tv, said he did it and didn’t feel he did enough , and threatened to set everyone else he didn’t like on fire also…people STILL wouldn’t see him for what he really is.

    This is our future, friends. Buy yourselves a gun , hold your family close , and pray we survive the next 4 years. 🙁

  447. In order to win the GE, Gutter Ball has to win one of OH, FL, or PA. OH and FL will go solidly for McCain, and PA will be a surprise win as well.

    Kerry only won PA by 2% in 2004, and that was when the Democratic Party was UNITED. We aren’t this year. Upwards of 30% of Hillary voters are voting McCain, this is unheard of! Ralph Nader would have garnered 3-4% of the vote in PA in 2004 if he wasn’t illegally forced off the ballot. He’s on the ballot this year in PA. Do the math.

  448. riverdaughter.wordpress.com/

    Gallup Poll suggests Obama supporters are racist.
    Posted on October 9, 2008 by garychapelhill
    Isn’t that headline incendiary? Of course it is, but it pales compared to what our corrupt lying media has been doing. For example, Campbell Brown almost exploded what tiny excuse for a brain she had last night because somebody mentioned Obama’s middle name. She can’t understand why McCain’s supporters are so racist. Likewise, Andrea Mitchell is losing sleep in her Georgetown mansion over the fact that people of color might take offense at McCain’s use of “that one”. Nevermind that Mitchell wouldn’t be caught dead in the neighborhoods of those people of color that are only blocks away from her own home.
    But now Gallup has a poll that shows it is actually Obama’s supporters who are more likely to show bias against a candidate based on his race. According to that poll, nonwhites (a term not defined in the article btw) are twice as likely to not vote for John McCain because of his race than white people are to withold their votes from Obama because of his. Will this get ANY airtime in the media? Of course not. And what you definitely won’t hear, but which this poll suggests, is that Obama actually benefits because of his race. And this is largely due to the racial bias of his supporters.

  449. HOW ACORN GOT ME INTO VOTE SCAM
    Comments: 207Read CommentsLeave a Comment
    By JEANE MacINTOSH, Post Correspondent
    Christopher Barkley
    http://www.nypost.com/seven/10092008/news/politics/nuts__132771.htm

    Last updated: 8:01 am
    October 9, 2008
    Posted: 4:31 am
    October 9, 2008
    CLEVELAND – Two Ohio voters, including Domino’s pizza worker Christopher Barkley , claimed yesterday that they were hounded by the community-activist group ACORN to register to vote several times, even though they made it clear they’d already signed up.
    Barkley estimated he’d registered to vote “10 to 15″ times after canvassers for ACORN, whose political wing has endorsed Barack Obama, relentlessly pursued him and others.
    Claims such as his have sparked election officials to probe ACORN.

  450. History has proven that it is extremely difficult for a candidate to win a battleground state after losing that state in the primary. Not only did Gutter Ball lose PA, but he spent more money on the state than any candidate in the history of our nation, and he STILL lost the state by 10%! He does NOT have the infrastructure within the state to win. The current polls in PA are oversampling the Philly area, as well as black voters. It’s not gonna happen.

    There is a reason Harriet Christian and Lady de Rothschild are focusing on Hillary supporters in PA for the next three weeks. There is a reason McCain/Palin have been there the past few days.

  451. http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/10/08/obamas-links-to-group-that-tried-to-subvert-the-2nd-amendment/

    Oct
    Obama’s Links To Group That Tried To Subvert The 2nd Amendment
    Posted by: Curt @ 8:11 am in 2nd amendment, Barack Obama

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/
    The Canada has several articles on Obama they do a much better job then the American press. America really looks bad with this candidate and the non vetting of him.

    canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5476

    Acorn, Project vote, and ties to Barack Obama
    Obama Partnerships with Voter Fraud Unit and Terrorists Run Wide and Deep
    By Sher Zieve Thursday, October 9, 2008

    canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5471

    Project Vote is a vital part of left-wing ACORN’s empire of vote fraud and political agitation
    Huffington Post and ACORN Tag-Team Cover Up of Obama’s ACORN Days
    By Matthew Vadum Thursday, October 9, 2008

  452. hillguy,

    thanks for pulling my coat about hillbuzz.

    i have been feeling more optimistic since i started snooping over there.

    😀

    (idunn – i suggest you visit)

  453. Idunn, don’t make me come smack you back into reality. We all have down days but if we get unhinged, that bunch of cretins win.

    Come Nov 5th, we’ll be beaming ear to ear.

  454. basil, I’m so glad!

    HillBuzz was not wrong about ONE state during the primaries. Even when every poll had Gutter Ball winning NH and PA, they said “Ain’t gonna happen. Trust us.” I have grown to trust them. They have experience with being on the ground in almost every major battleground state.

    McCain will win.

  455. Flu must be getting to me.

    Sorry guys…you’re right. Now’s not the time to give up by any stretch. If anything it’s the time to suck it up and work even harder.

    You guys do that while I go take a nap. 😉

  456. Idunn, we love you and just want you to stay positive!

    I remember before Super Tuesday you had to slap my face too!

  457. The Wisconsin rally had a mood that was encouraging. Before CNN quickly switched away, the yells of “ACORN” were addressed and then the
    man stood up and was angry about the “socialist” taking over our country.

    It was the 50s all over again. Patriots yelling “USA!”
    and standing with the NRA to defend our country.
    Interesting.

    Obama’s association with “a small ‘c’ communist” and his association with ACORN who is trying to defraud the country of money and votes — there are now investigations in 21 states! – plus Wright, Rezko, Pfleger, Odinga, and Khalidi (?) may be a perfect storm — an electoral storm.

    Take heart, Idunn! It could turn around in a week and we still have 4. Wait for the fat lady. I’m not even humming yet!

  458. thatsmeontheleft.blogspot.com/2008/10/holy-crap.html

    Thursday, October 9, 2008

    “Holy Crap!”

    Two of these images were just sent to me in an email (subject: The Obama Salute copies Hitler…..). I already had the last image (Obama speaking) that shows the salute in action!

    We all remember this lovely Obama salute:

  459. Campbell Brown almost exploded what tiny excuse for a brain
    ——————————————-
    Objection your Honor: assumes facts not in evidence–namely a brain-any brain- of any size and any functionality attached to the rest of that CNN cretin.

  460. 2 things to keep in mind.

    Too many Dems saying it’s all over. You don’t say that if it’s true because it keeps people away from the polls when you need them to vote.

    These huge Dem new registrations. How many of them are fictitious? How many of them aren’t going to show up because they aren’t there? How badly is that skewing the polls?

    Fight on! GOTV! Do your bit. It’s not over.

    (From a McGovern fighter. OK we didn’t make it but at least I tried to get rid of Nixon. And I was happy that I did)

  461. Guys I see this coming through, poll after poll and its precisely the thing I’ve said will win McCain the whitehouse, those juggling with votes in the last week will always come back to this.

    This just said on Rassmussen

    Sixty-one percent (61%) say McCain is prepared to be president, while 50% feel that way about Obama. While 28% say McCain isn’t ready to be the chief executive, 43% say that of the Democratic nominee.

  462. ABM 90: this has got to feel like deja vu all over again, right. Pretty soon they will start goosestepping/

  463. Too many Dems saying it’s all over
    ——————————————
    depends on the meaning of “it”. I think “it” refers to bambis campaign in which case I agree.

  464. You don’t do this below, if you think you are well ahead and invulnerable, he knows he’s in trouble. Its the late primaries with Hillary all over again, Obama outspent her by 5 to 1 and the polls all proclaimed him the winner and then he got whalloped in the real numbers.

    Obama splashes out $20m on ads in just one week

    SENATOR BARACK Obama is outspending John McCain by nearly three to one on television time in the final weeks of the presidential election, according to ad buy information obtained by the Washington Post . That edge is almost certainly contributing to the momentum for the Illinois senator in key battleground states.

    From September 30th to October 6th, Mr Obama spent more than $20 million on television ads in 17 states, including more than $3 million in Pennsylvania and more than $2 million each in Florida, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

    McCain in that same time frame spent just $7.2 million in 14 states. Even when the Republican national committee’s independent spending in Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin is factored in (a total of $5.3 million), Mr Obama still outspent the combined GOP forces by roughly $8 million.

    The spending edge enjoyed by Mr Obama has been used almost exclusively to hammer Mr McCain as a clone of the current president.

  465. William Ayers is a chicago academic according to bambi’s logic. By that logic Hitler was a bohemian corporal/ Other than that Mrs. Lincoln how was the play?

  466. freckles, that is such a good point, it bears unpacking.

    Why in the HELL would Big Media be screaming it’s over?? They want Gutter Ball to win, but what they are doing is counterproductive to their cause. All this will do is suppress Dem voter turnout. Republicans ALWAYS VOTE. Dems are the ones who don’t reliably show up to the polls.

    Big Media hasn’t a clue. I’m sure glad they were right during the primaries about Gutter Ball winning NH, CA, MA, NJ, PA, OH, TX, NV, and SD. Oh wait…

  467. You don’t do this below, if you think you are well ahead and invulnerable, he knows he’s in trouble. Its the late primaries with Hillary all over again, Obama outspent her by 5 to 1 and the polls all proclaimed him the winner and then he got whalloped in the real numbers.
    ——————————————–
    I worry less about the ad buys than I do the cheating. This ACORN stuff is troubling. Has anyone been arrested? One good arrest will have a chilling effect on some of this. But if Bambi wins the pardon pen will come out/

  468. Seriously they are way fucked up, Oh now the Obama campaign is real scumballs, read this, they are trying to say legal work for a priest is the equivalent of someone who firebombed your home and tried to kill your parents.

    Outrageous, but this is exactly what Obama and the bots believe.

    The guy was firebombed as a kid, and now he is portrayed as a villain for daring to stand up to these scumbags!!!

    online.wsj.com/article/SB122350949805717257.html?mod=article-outset-box

    The McCain campaign, in a continuing effort to link Barack Obama to domestic terrorism, released a statement Wednesday from a New York supporter, recounting how his family home was firebombed by the radical 1960s group founded by Obama supporter William Ayers.

    But the McCain supporter, John M. Murtagh, has his own ties to radical protesters: He served as a lawyer for a Catholic priest who led protests at an abortion clinic that turned violent.

    Mr. Murtagh embarked on a media campaign in the spring to publicize the 1970 firebombing of his family home by the Weather Underground, the group that Mr. Ayers helped to found. His account of that incident, posted on the Web, has been linked to by right-leaning bloggers. Mr. Murtagh, a lawyer and a member of the Yonkers, N.Y., city council, gave a television interview last May to Fox News’s Greta Van Susteren, and recently appeared on the Fox News show hosted by Sean Hannity. Mr. Murtagh said he was nine years old at the time his family was targeted because his father, a judge, had presided over a trial of members of the radical Black Panther party.

    On Wednesday, the McCain campaign amplified those efforts by issuing a statement from Mr. Murtagh. “Barack Obama may have been a child when William Ayers was plotting attacks against U.S. targets — but I was one of those targets,” the statement read. “Barack Obama’s friend tried to kill my family.”

  469. ‘Obama the slum lord’ radio ad released
    Posted October 6, 2008 11 :48 AM Pgh Tribune-Review

    The National Black Republican Association, NBRA, released radio ads today that go after Sen. Barack Obama as a “slum-lord and a far left wing radical.”

    The ads are being run in battleground states, but you can find the audio on the NBRA Web site.

    From the NBRA:

    “The NBRA radio ads clearly demonstrate that, when the American people look behind Obama’s slick, public facade, they see an inexperienced liberal who does not have the character and judgment to be our next president. To understand what Obama has in mind for the rest of America, visit any black urban community in this nation. Liberal Democrats have been running black communities for the past 40 years, and their socialist policies have turned those communities into economic and social wastelands. If Obama’s messianic message of “hope and change” was so powerful, why are the poor people in Chicago still poor?”

    The ad’s titles are as follows: Obama the Slum Lord, Obama the Radical, Obama is no MLK and Arrogant Obama.

    The campaign season has now officially hit the all-negative-all-of-the-time theme with neither camp backing down.

    It should be noted that the NBRA has no association with the John McCain campaign and definitely no association with the Obama campaign.

  470. Before CNN quickly switched away, the yells of “ACORN” were addressed and then the
    man stood up and was angry about the “socialist” taking over our country.
    ———————————————-
    Hiding the truth from the American People. Show them only that part of the picture that supports your narrative. Censor everything else. And they call this what again? . . . .freedom of the press? Whose freedom? Certainly not the freedom of the American People to see and hear the truth. Their freedom to censot it. Is that what the first amendment is supposed to be for?

  471. hotair.com/archives/2008/10/09/soviet-document-shows-biden-sold-out-human-rights-concerns/
    Soviet document shows Biden sold out human-rights concerns
    posted at 9:28 am on October 9, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

    Sounds like Obama with the Canadians and NAFTA

  472. I just sent my absentee ballot in. It felt good voting for McCain and checking the Democrat box.

    I counted four Obama headquarters in fifteen minutes of each other here in my area in Cleveland, not countig the ones on the other side of town. He is spending money like water

  473. Neeta did you take your ballot in or post it, because i’d make damn sure it went into the office.

  474. I am angry! What’s wrong with this country now? Where is the first amendment?

    I hope the people will wake up before the election!

    HRC 2012

  475. Neetabug — recall how much he spent in your state for the primary — what good did it do him?

    Basil, thanks for “I’m mad!” — really enjoyed that! — especially how the crowd cheered him!!

  476. I mailed it in. I am not worried. I have worked down at the board of elections in the absentee department. When the ballots come in they are not opened. On the day they open the ballots they come up in trays. when they are opened, there are people standing around watching. All we had to do was open the envelope put the ballots in a tray. You don’t have time to see who voted for whom.

  477. To whomever mentioned bourbon, hot water and honey as a cold relief.
    A million thankyous. Took a nap after spending an annoying hour and a half of FOX and friends and woke up with the bubonic plague. Twenty minutes after imbibing that little panacea I can at least function.

  478. moononpluto Says:

    October 9th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
    So neeta what really is the mood up there.

    _________________________________________________________________________________________

    No one is actually excited about this election. In my area there are not that many Obama signs or McCain signs. I have about twenty four houses on my street, i counted six obama signs. None for McCain. Most are afraid to put McCain signs out. There are alot of nuts around.

    Most of my friends say they are voting for McCain. Some say they are not voting at all. They don’t like either candidate. Then there are the diehard Dems no matter what they hear about O, they will vote for him.

    My girlfriend will be voting for O, her daughter who is 23, will be voting for McCain.

    It seems people are not really jumping for joy about this election. I did find out alot voted for Hillary.

  479. The Hustler is in OH and ranting and raving about JM with a Telepromter and a mostly AA audience.He is on the denfense and slipping back into his talk down audience tactic of his native accent.His community organizer campaign is in deep trouble and he knows it.What a phony. What a fraud.What a disgrace to the human race.

    ” TO THINK WE COULD HAVE HAD HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON ”

    BHO,your perfume on a pig has turned into your hog wash.

    BY ABM90

  480. HillGuy Says:

    October 9th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
    History has proven that it is extremely difficult for a candidate to win a battleground state after losing that state in the primary. Not only did Gutter Ball lose PA, but he spent more money on the state than any candidate in the history of our nation, and he STILL lost the state by 10%! He does NOT have the infrastructure within the state to win. The current polls in PA are oversampling the Philly area, as well as black voters. It’s not gonna happen.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    Hillguy nails it.

    I work in Philly, live in NJ. I only see Obama buttons in Philly. In NJ, I see more yard signs for McCain than Obama. Philly had a big concert back in April the weekend before the 4/22 primary. He couldn’t carry it in April despite outspending Hillary massively.

    Springsteen just had a concert for his Dear Leader. So what.

    There were lots of registration signer-uppers in Philly throughout the summer. Of these “occasional” voters, how many will show up??? If you are like in your mid-20’s, or older, and you’ve never voted, hmmmm; “Wow, man, are you like not into democracy?” Seriously, people sign up because they’re being pressured, or the girl/guy asking to sign you up is kinda cute or whatever. Three months later, these people who never voted before are going to turn over a new leaf? Sure, some are “inspired”, and will vote. But really, all of them?

    PA Repubs better make sure that they don’t ACORNed with dead voters whose IDs are being used by carpet-bagging voters going from town to town.

    “Vote early, and vote often”.

    NObama!

  481. ABM90:BHO,your perfume on a pig has turned into your hog wash

    —————————————————————————————–

    LOL! You do have a way with words. 🙂

  482. My God! The stock market is down another 678 pts. down to 8579. Jeez. My retirement fund is kaput. 🙁

  483. So much is being made about Ayers. This is such a waste of time.

    What about the 20 year relationship he had with Wright and Rezko.

    To me that truly shows his poor judgeent.

    Any parent that would subject their children to the likes of Wright is truly lacking in any sound judgement…and that goes for you too MO

  484. debbie, the Ayers connection is effective because of one word: “terrorist”

    People already have a latent fear of BO’s background, and this one word can ignite fear in the electorate. And it is.

  485. folks I hate to be the bearer of bad news.

    there are millions of mortgages with the ARM (adjustable rate mortgages) that are primed to reset in 2010,11. Most of the people that have them will not be able to afford to pay their mortgages when that happens. The housing crisis is just at the beginning.

    So tell me why………..we bailed out wall street? I said no before they passed that legislation and I say no today.

    The fix is in…but not for the American people. If businesses fail it won’t be because of us. If people get laid off it won’t be because of us.

    We are the ones that have to carry that burden.

    Who are your representatives representing? If not you they need to go!!

  486. HillGuy
    I agree but is it being covered anywhere besides Fox? I love hearing anything negative about waffles, but if I were an undecided voter and came across FOx and Friends this morning I would have been put off. It was overkill. Perhaps it’s because to many of us it’s such old news. I just don’t think the people who watch FOX are the one’s who need to be persuaded.
    Do you know if the SNL in Primetime this evening is new material or a compilation of election themed skits? If its pro-bambi stuff mocking the ayers stuff it could be harmful.

  487. justme
    it is an untouched photo, revealing lines and pores. I think the last for that one was back lit giving him a halo effect and definately airbrushed.

  488. online.wsj.com/article/SB122351645893317913.html

    News Flash: The Media Back Obama
    Its activist role has been the single constant in this eternal election.
    By DOROTHY RABINOWITZ

    Both time and events have dimmed those defining moments that early on revealed the difference between the two presidential aspirants. Not only did the financial crisis arrive but so, in her uproarious way, did Sarah Palin. Tuesday’s debate between two candidates paralyzed by caution altered nothing. It was a relief, of course, not to hear about Sen. McCain’s record as a “maverick” — a word that would, in a merciful world, be banned from public discourse for the next decade. It was too much to expect Barack Obama to spare us further recitals of the McCain-Bush connection.

    The single constant in the eternal election remains the media, whose activist role no one will seriously dispute. To point out the prevailing (with honorable exceptions) double standard of reporting so favorable to Mr. Obama by now feels superfluous — much like talking about the weather. The same holds true for all those reports pointing to Mr. Obama’s heroic status outside the United States — not to mention the cascade of press analyses warning that if he fails to win election, the cause will surely be racism.

    None of this means that the media’s role will go unremembered — who will forget MSNBC news, voice of the Obama campaign? Never has a presidential election produced more fodder for the making and breaking — or tainting — of reputations.

    The same is true of news sources making far greater claims to fairness. So it was only slightly startling to read a New York Times forecast (Sept. 22) about the presidential debate to come in which reporter Katharine Q. Seelye declared, ” . . . Mr. Obama should expect Mr. McCain to question his credentials for the job at every turn — and to distort his views, as Mr. Romney insisted he did.”

    That first debate brought the usual legions of commentators — among them CNN foreign correspondent Christiane Amanpour. John McCain, she pointed out, had stumbled over Ahmadinejad’s name, and as he was supposed to be the expert on foreign policy, it made her giggle.

    “That’s not fair — people make mistakes all the time,” Anderson Cooper shot back. But Ms. Amanpour, whose capacity for sustained levels of bombast is one of the wonders of the world, was having none of it.

    She would go on to raise the theme so central to the Obama campaign, and held, as revealed truth, by the politically progressive everywhere — that the U.S., fallen low in the eyes of the world, is now in dire need of moral salvation. Everywhere she went in America, Ms. Amanpour declared, she found “desperate Americans” — desperate, that is, about the low esteem in which the country was held, desperate to have a president who would lift America up.

    Mr. Obama could not have said it better himself. He is the leading exponent of the idea that our lost nation requires rehabilitation in the eyes of the world — and it is the most telling difference between him and Mr. McCain. When asked, in one of the earliest debates of the primary, his first priority should he become president, his answer was clear. He would go abroad immediately to make amends, and assure allies and others in the world America had alienated, that we were prepared to do all necessary to gain back their respect.

    It is impossible to imagine those words coming from Mr. McCain. Mr. Obama has uttered them repeatedly one way or another and no wonder. They are in his bones, this impossible-to-conceal belief that we’ve lost face among the nations of the world — presumably our moral superiors. He is here to reform the fallen America and make us worthy again of respect. It is not in him, this thoughtful, civilized academic, to grasp the identification with country that Mr. McCain has in his bones — his knowledge that we are far from perfect, but not ready, never ready, to take up the vision of us advanced by our enemies. That identification, the understanding of its importance and of the dangers in its absence — is the magnet that has above all else drawn voters to Mr. McCain.

    Sen. Obama is not responsible for the political culture, but he is in good part its product. Which is perhaps how it happened that in his 20 years in the church of Rev. Jeremiah Wright — passionate proponent of the view of America as the world’s leading agent of evil and injustice — he found nothing strange or alienating. To the contrary, when Rev. Wright’s screeds began rolling out on televisions all over the country, Mr. Obama’s first response was to mount a militant defense and charge that Rev. Wright had been taken out of context, “cut into snippets.” This he continued to do until it became untenable. Then came the subject-changing speech on race. Such defining moments tell more than all the talk of Sen. Obama’s association with the bomb-planting humanist, William Ayers.

    These sharp differences between the candidates as to who we are as a nation may not seem, now, as potent an issue for voters as the economy, but they should not be underestimated. This clash — not the ones on abortion or gay marriage — is the root of the real culture war to play out in November.

    Ms. Rabinowitz is a member of The Wall Street Journal’s editorial board.

  489. it is an untouched photo, revealing lines and pores. I think the last for that one was back lit giving him a halo effect and definately airbrushed.
    ===
    They had a professional photographer on fox news this morning saying it looked like it had been touched the other way, making the lines and shadows deeper and higher contrast.

  490. Remember months ago when bambi’s lips always had a blue tint. Did someone put lipstick on a pig? Or would that be considered concealer or cover-up?

  491. justme
    I only noticed the blue lips and remembered because of a doctor who used to post here, I think his name was Ronald. He made note of it.

  492. I have not read all of the blogging therefore please forgive me if I may be repeating.
    Today on Fox live from a big time investor stating since July he has sold out his investments in the stock market. He is fearful that if Obama is elected his tax plan would wipe out the market. Investors are send money to other countries. I have heard this in the past but heard it from the horses mouth directly on Fox today. 70% plus of all CEO’ report they are fearful and waiting till after the election to see where the country will be.
    IN OTHER WORDS, WE CAN EXPECT NO RELIEF DUE TO THE FEAR IF OBAMA WINS THE ELECTION. AT LEAST WE KNOW THE TRUTH. I REALIZE THIS IS NOT THE ONLY REASON HOWEVER IT IS RELATED TO DECISIONS THAT OUR BIG MONEY INVESTORS THAT ARE SHAKEN UP THE MARKET, AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING.

  493. Thanks for the “I’m Mad” video.

    TAKE THE GLOVES OFF, MCCAIN!!!

    One of nObama’s FOOLS called me today and invited me to a GOTV event this Saturday – good thing I was not home.

  494. I think I read on this blog that people are voting for O as they think that the Clinton people will save the economy. They do not understand two things.

    O trust only his you followers and staff, and they will kick the Clinton people and staff to the curb as soon as the election is over.

    McCain, however, would be the really person to ask the Clintons and his staff for economic help. He reaches across the aisle, and has a good relationship with the Clintons. He is also not insecure.

    The American people need to understand this.

  495. I dont understand why mccain hasnt said anything about the penn. being bitter – you know – something like, “as your president, I will not judge you, I will do everything in my power to ensure that we can turn our country back, this country is ours, and country will be first with me. I will not accuse you of being bitter. I will not accuse you of clinging to religion or guns because you are bitter. What I will assure you of is confidence in our country, because this is your home…..”

  496. The people know…but when will they listen???

    What should states and cities try first to deal with the financial crisis?
    Cut services 71%
    Raise taxes 13%
    Ask Washington for help 16%

    Total responses to this question: 19787

    money.cnn.com/2008/10/09/news/international/iran_opec.ap/index.htm

  497. henry Says:
    October 9th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
    Remember months ago when bambi’s lips always had a blue tint.
    —————————————————————-
    they’re still blue. you can see it when it isn’t a formal BM air-brushed photo, when he’s in the raw on the campaign trail.

    WTF is it about the blue-lips anyway? lack of oxygen ??

  498. We need to push for delaying the election until after the voter registeration and voting fraud is routed out. Evidently, it can be done legally, has it ever been done before?

  499. QuickVote
    Are you concerned that radical left-wing activist groups are trying to manipulate the outcome of this presidential election?

    loudobbs.tv.cnn.com/

    scroll down..it’s on the right side

  500. Do not listen to the ‘experts’ on cable, Fox excepted.

    The mantra for today, straight from the O campaign, is that McC is angry and angry pols don’t win. “Look at Bob Dole” said Jeffrey whatshisname.

    But the electorate wasn’t angry at Clinton or anyone else. They are very very angry now (well, aren’t you?) and might just appreciate someone who gets it.

    Wake up and smell the coffee, people. (not you, H44 bloggers) O is far left, clueless, far far left, will raise your taxes, and is NOT to be trusted. Not to mention graceless, sexist, racist, and NOT to be trusted.

  501. debbie Says:

    October 9th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
    QuickVote
    Are you concerned that radical left-wing activist groups are trying to manipulate the outcome of this presidential election?

    loudobbs.tv.cnn.com/

    scroll down..it’s on the right side
    ——————————————–
    77% yes
    23% no

  502. google “blue lips”.
    you’ll find multiple medical conditions and possible causes. any medical folks out there?

  503. why do we wait until 1 month before an election to talk about abuses in the election system.

    Folks this is rampant throughout the country and happens ALL THE TIME

    it’s not a blister……… its a cancer……….

    remove the elected officials that block your right to a free and OPEN election.

  504. I could really care less what color his lips are. I’m more concerned about his mental tendencies towards pathological lying as well as the swelling in his head that contributes to his overbloated ego.

    I’m not sure that there is any cure other than stripping him of all his wealth and permanent banishment from the continent.

  505. moon: I hope, he isn’t using inhalants. Scary thought. Might account for all the “uh, uh, uh…..”

  506. sorry, janh

    it’s just that we’ve had president’s suffering from obesity, bad hair and wooden teeth. blue lips would be a first. 😉

  507. geez….i apologize again, neeta. you are absolutely right. i will sign-off now and curl-up with my favorite beverage and the latest copy of the merck manual. got some research to do.

    night all.

  508. I just love polls…3 days ago, Rasmussen had Gutter Ball ahead in FL by 7; now McCain is back to within 3 pts.

    I have a feeling “McCain surging!” headlines are on the horizon…

  509. The other thing I want to remind everyone here of is remember WAAAAYYY back before Iowa when Hillary was leading in the national polls by 15 percent, but the Obama campaign kept saying “We don’t pay attention to national polls. We only look at individual state polls.”

    Do that with McCain now. National polls don’t matter, only the electoral college matters now. If he wins OH, FL, and PA, Cindy is on her way to picking out curtains for the White House.

  510. Hello Admin: Since yesterday I have not been able to view this webpage correctly with firefox? Did something change?

    The last post I have displayed is from you at:
    October 8th, 2008 at 9:22 am

  511. Anyone know if SNL in Primetime tonight is going to be new stuff? I don’t want to tune in if they are just going to rehash the past few weeks skits.

  512. Do not listen to the ‘experts’ on cable, Fox excepted.

    The mantra for today, straight from the O campaign, is that McC is angry and angry pols don’t win. “Look at Bob Dole” said Jeffrey whatshisname.

    But the electorate wasn’t angry at Clinton or anyone else. They are very very angry now (well, aren’t you?) and might just appreciate someone who gets it.
    ====
    I remember that Dole debate with Clinton, hubby and I watched, and we looked at both candidates like we always do. And Dole did a lot of personal attacks on Clinton, and Clinton told what he planned on doing. Dole never did say what his plans for the country was, it was nothing but attacks, we picked Clinton. We thought he had done a decent enough job the previous 4 years. But you’re right, people are angry. No one was angry then, except Dole, he looked silly. THey are saying that because they want McCain to stop, they’re afraid it might work.

  513. freckles Says:

    October 9th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
    Do not listen to the ‘experts’ on cable, Fox excepted.

    The mantra for today, straight from the O campaign, is that McC is angry and angry pols don’t win. “Look at Bob Dole” said Jeffrey whatshisname.

    But the electorate wasn’t angry at Clinton or anyone else. They are very very angry now (well, aren’t you?) and might just appreciate someone who gets it.

    Wake up and smell the coffee, people. (not you, H44 bloggers) O is far left, clueless, far far left, will raise your taxes, and is NOT to be trusted. Not to mention graceless, sexist, racist, and NOT to be trusted.
    **************************************************

    feckles and hill friends…you know what drives me crazy about the “erratic, angry mccain” theme being repeated by all the MSM…is that I have never seen such an ANGRY MAN AS OBAMA…and BIDEN is no walk in the park either…how disingenious can these people be?

    not to even mention or start in with Obama’s supporters…many are the the nastiest, most vile, threatening, insulting and very often not informed people

    it is absurd how the MSM keeps repeating it and then they will go to a clip of obama and he is yelling and stern and insulting while doing his teleprompter bopping from left to right…but i guess they think that is cheerful and inspiring…

    this is the worst bamboozlement I have ever seen…how stupid are the people?

    btw…completely agree with what Harriet Brinker said above about investors pulling their money out of the stock market…i saw that show also on FOX, it makes perfect sense…why would they open themselves up to higher taxes by obama in this finanicial climate?

    and they know with the dems in complete control of everything there will be massive spending we cannot afford and more taxes…recipe, at this time, for major disaster…

    there is a major crisis in confidence in leadership taking place…these investors will continue to pull their money and then downsize in business…less jobs…more going bankrupt…and conditions will get worse

  514. ***** SNL in Primetime******

    I think more people will see this than anything on fox.

    9:31pm – 10:00pm, WPXI (12)
    Saturday Night Live Weekend Update Thursday
    A ready-for-prime-time installment of topical comedic bits centered around the late-night show s Weekend Update segment.

  515. Henry, I read on one of the tv-media sites that there are plans for Sarah Palin to be on the SNL show saturday Oct 18

  516. I need to go read the Harriet Brinker quote, but she isn’t the only one saying it. Fox business was also saying with a 9% lead in the polls wallstreet is also reacting to an Obama presidency. he will drive stocks down. People are already starting to Obamatize their portfolios.

  517. I finally figure out why wall street sell off daily. BHO’s number is up. investors scare that he may win the election. the sell off won’t stop until McCain’s number is up. God, please help.

  518. debbie Says:

    October 9th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
    folks I hate to be the bearer of bad news.

    there are millions of mortgages with the ARM (adjustable rate mortgages) that are primed to reset in 2010,11. Most of the people that have them will not be able to afford to pay their mortgages when that happens. The housing crisis is just at the beginning.

    So tell me why………..we bailed out wall street? I said no before they passed that legislation and I say no today.

    The fix is in…but not for the American people. If businesses fail it won’t be because of us. If people get laid off it won’t be because of us.

    We are the ones that have to carry that burden.

    Who are your representatives representing? If not you they need to go!!
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    So the Government can take over the banks….GWB is an idiot he is listen to Paulson, who I don’t trust at all. Bernacki has ben useless…they should have let the market run it’s course but now with all the Government interference and Pelusi and gang not doing true investigations because it would put the Democrats in a bad light…we get this mess.

    My Stocks are in specific Dow stock which is holding steady and bonds…which are a mess right now.

    I wouldn’t invest right now until after the election….The DEMOCRATS scares the crap out of me right now and they’re my party. Well not this election. They keep talking about spending instead of cutting back the spending.

    Barney Frank is an idiot and Charles Shumer have lost my respect for him also…it’s a mess right now because this bunch in Congress has lost my complete trust, except for a few.

  519. henry, yes I am planning on watching it…or wincing…it would be nice if they had a teeny bit of balance…we’ll see soon…

    i won’t hold my breath…

  520. I just don’t think Obama is that much ahead or leading in all these polls right now. The Obama campaign is very manic and the more Obama bash the economy the worst it is for wall street….nobody like this kind of talk during time like these.

    Obama’s associations is coming back to roost….and the more Obama answer it’s racist to question his association with known domestic terrorists or anti American or deny it’s relevant the more resistance to him.

    When the good folks in middle American talk negatively against the media you know..they have got to start asking question or lose what credibility they even have now.

  521. Hm. Tina Fey is on track for having a vested interest in four years of Palin in the White House.

  522. ADMIN……….OH ADMIN!!!! YOUUUUUU WHOOOOOOOO!

    I just hate it when you’re not around……. makes me start have conspiracy theory thoughts about what may have happened
    to you!!

    please check in here and let us know what’s up with the forum as of late (with firefox etc.) and how long till we get a new article to post on??

    being on dial up when the post run over a couple hundred posts especially those youtube vid’s posted….it can take FOREVER for the forum to refresh!! 🙁

    please let us know wassup! 😉

  523. Oh for goodness sakes! Apparently Obama aka the stupid one has purchased airtime on television. Please God, not another sermon from the mouth! 😉

  524. neetabug Says:

    October 9th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
    Lin67

    Where are you seeing O has a 9% lead in the polls
    ==
    That’s what the fox investor guy was saying yesterday morning, I think gallup came out with one like that. I don’t really look at polls, but there must of been one yesterday that was, the investor was saying that the stockmarket was reacting to what they thought was going to be an Obama win. this was the morning after the debate. His healthcare plan he talked about at the debate that would force businesses to provide his version or be fined would cause the stockmarket to go down even further this week than it would have, because businesses are already hurting and he wants to raise their taxes plus force this healthcare plan on them, and because the stocks were betting Obama would win because he had been so far ahead in the polls. the guy called him an old fashioned tax and spend liberal in a time of economic crisis. I think it is tightening now, plus the polls are bogus, but that’s where I got the 9% lead.

  525. for what it is worth…Zogby is saying…not so fast…it is a 3 point game within the margins…I never put too much faith into zogby…but I will take good news where i can get it these days…
    ===
    S, Zogby was the only one that got it right in 2004. Everyone else was way off.

  526. Jan

    I heard on several networks … something like 30 min spots

    he will probably have very low ratings due to the fact that he is “yesterdays news”

    it’d be a different story if it was Sara Palin 😉

  527. I guess I view polls are like fortune tellers. No one in their right mind would take FTs seriously, but we practically pass out at what the polls say.

    I also felt the study of economics was a historical study, and not one of help in present day situation. I really think all the economists are flying by the seat of their pants.

    Oh well, those are my theories and I am sticking to them.

  528. Joseph Choate Esq. was a Boston brahman and a leader of the Massachusetts Bar in the decades following the Civil War. He was a trial lawyer of renown and a few of trial transcripts on cross examination have been preserved for posterity.

    In one particular case he sued robber baron Russel Sage for personal injuries sustained when an anarchist broke into Sage’s office with a detonated bomb and Sage grabbed his hapless male secretary and used him as a human shield, which caused the secretary to be seriously injured. The secretary requested compensation for his injuries and Sage being a frugal sort of capitalist declined to pay.

    During his won case in chief, Choate called Sage to the witness stand and proceeded to cross examine him as an adverse witness–which he most definitely was.

    At one point he delved into the subject of puts and calls and tried showed that Sage was relying on his wife’s money rather than his own to gamble in the market and the brokers forbearance to shield himself from market risk, just as he had used his secretary to shield himself from the bomb blast. Well, the hard point of the matter was presented in one memorable question: Sir, if the market turned against you who did you intend to cheat–your wife or your broker????

    The reason I mention this is because bambi is in a similar situation to Choate, in the sense that he is supported by Wall Street interests who want low taxes, exporting US jobs, open border and anything else that makes them even more wealthy than they already are. At the same time, he is also supported by people of limited means who want social services, safety nets and other benefits wall street detests.

    So bambi, tell me this oh wonderful bambi, you who have managed to be all things to all people:
    inasmuch as the market has gone against you who do YOU intend to cheat sir. Wall Street or Main Street. Never mind, we already know the answer and it aint wall street.

  529. djia,

    He’s going to drone on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on

    about nothing at all!

  530. The thing is , if Obama has locked this up like they say he has he would not be doing a 1/2 hr prime time begging session 1 week before the election or be running 20 mil of ads in blue states.

    This is in no way over.

  531. How much money does a 30 min. spot on a major network cost? And he is doing this on all three major networks, and possibly, cable stations? How many millions?

  532. kdka.com/kdkainvestigators/Voter.fraud.allegheny.2.836775.html

    PITTSBURGH (KDKA) ― Allegations of voter fraud have been sweeping the nation, and there is word of an investigation right here in Allegheny County.

    The allegations are swirling around one community organization called ACORN, and District Attorney Stephen Zappala is taking a hard look.

    ACORN is not affiliated with either presidential candidate, but here and elsewhere ACORN has been registering voters in low and moderate income neighborhoods that would seem to benefit Senator Barack Obama. And so these allegations of voter fraud have riled the McCain campaign.

    “There are serious allegations of voter fraud in the battleground states across America,” Presidential candidate Senator John McCain said. “They must be investigated, and no one should corrupt the most precious right we have and that is the right to vote.”

    “There appears to be a crime,” Zappala says.

    Right here in Allegheny County District Attorney Stephen Zappala confirms an investigation of potential voter fraud involving ACORN and other organizations.

    “ACORN is part of this but there are other applications which have been filed which appear to have fraudulent signatures and fraudulent identifications of individuals,” Zappala said.

    Currently the election bureau is reviewing some 45,000 new registration applications and Zappala says some of them have forged signatures of people who may or may not exist.

    “There are clearly people on these applications who have not either been solicited or may not exist and the signatures are clearly not – they’re forgeries,” Zappala says.

    Sources say there are between 200 and 300 questionable registrations currently under investigation, and most of them were submitted by ACORN.

    But Chief Coordinator Maryellen Hayden says her organization was not aware of the forgeries. She said some of the canvassers hired by ACORN forged the applications and then passed them off as genuine.

    “There’s eight people being investigated for putting down wrong names on cards,” she said. “They frauded us so we’re going to help them to be punished for frauding us because they took their salary and they didn’t do their job.”

    ACORN says it is not aligned with any particular candidate, but is trying to give a voice to as many low income people as possible, so they have conducted registration campaigns in low income neighborhoods.

    County voter registration workers are pouring over some 45,000 new applications.

  533. birdgal,

    the real question should be why is he using the excess money in such obscene ways when people are hurting so much?

    His campaign is an obomination.

  534. Jan

    Yep…….. are real ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!

    I heard he was buying spots on several networks not just one!

    once known…….it will be time to launch a boycott of advertisers products on those channels 😀

  535. The new developing headline at drudge.

    WASH TIMES Friday: Obama secretly tried to sway Iraqi government to ignore Bush deal on keeping troops in Iraq… Developing.

  536. Does it seems like McCain is not worried, I think something is up. I know he has the money. Here in Cleveland, i have seen only one McCain Headquarters I know Cuyahoga County is democratic. Maybe this is why he has only one headquarter in the Cleveland area. I stopped in there the other day it was not busy at all. I wanted a sign they were out. I asked for a button they told me i had to order it on line.
    I told them i would stop in this weekend to make some phone calls. They need the help bad. Anyone who is on this board who lives in Cleveland and the surrounding suburbs go the the Mayfield office and make some phone calls.

    Southern Ohio is Republican maybe that is where he is focusing on. I think O took Cuyahoga county.

    Have anyone else notice they are showing a lot of civil rights movies now. Every night they are showing something pertaining to civil rights. Tonight it is Civil Rights Cold Cases. Unsolved murders.

  537. moon on pluto wrote at some awful hour (for us) like 5:30 am on Oct 8th, about a Boston Globe article, fairly positive abt JMcCain at the previous night’s debate.

    I have found the whole article and it is quite positive:

    Obama’s 180 on genocide
    By Jeff Jacoby
    Globe Columnist / October 8, 2008

    JOHN MCCAIN’S opening words last night were: “Senator Obama, it’s good to be with you at a town hall meeting!” Indeed it was. We now know why Barack Obama declined McCain’s invitation earlier this year to appear together in a series of 10 town hall meetings around the country. This is the format in which McCain excels, and he excelled last night. He was substantive, sympathetic, strong – sure of himself, his facts, and his convictions. On issue after issue, McCain sounded clear and mature. In a word, presidential.

    Though most of the debate dealt with domestic issues, it was a foreign-policy question that sent me flying to my files. Moderator Tom Brokaw asked the candidates what their “doctrine” would be “in situations where there’s a humanitarian crisis, but it does not affect our national security,” such as “the Congo, where 4.5 million people have died since 1998,” or Rwanda or Somalia.

    In such cases, answered Obama, “we have moral issues at stake.” Of course the United States must act to stop genocide, he said. “When genocide is happening, when ethnic cleansing is happening . . . and we stand idly by, that diminishes us.”

    But that wasn’t how Obama sounded last year, when he was competing for the Democratic nomination and was unbending in his demand for an American retreat from Iraq. Back then, he dismissed fears that a US withdrawal would unleash a massive Iraqi bloodbath. “Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn’t a good enough reason to keep US forces there,” the AP reported on July 20, 2007.

    What kind of candidate is it whose moral response to genocide – genocide – can reverse itself 180 degrees in a matter of months? Is that the kind of candidate who ought to be the leader of the free world?

    Jeff Jacoby can be reached at jacoby@globe.com.

  538. Greta doing a great piece on ACORN and voter fraud, linking it to Obama.

    Also, a judge has ruled that the OH sec of state is in violation of law by refusing to allow the voter applications to be verified on the local/county level. She has appealed.

    Now she will talk about “Stuart”, a registered voter in OH. Stuart is a cat.

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